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Hwy 99 in California

Started by Tom, June 22, 2009, 09:15:00 PM

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With talk of changing Hwy 99 to an Interstate, do you favor this change?

Change to I-7
10 (33.3%)
Keep as CA-99
1 (3.3%)
Change to I-9
7 (23.3%)
Revert to US-99
12 (40%)
Other/Unsure
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 0

Voting closed: September 29, 2009, 09:42:25 PM

Tom

What does anyone think about this?  I'm 4 restoring US-99. :coffee:


Alps

Edited the poll to give another choice, since we were split on I-7 versus I-9.

agentsteel53

how about an option to change it back to US-99?  It's certainly more than 300 miles between Red Bluff and Wheeler Ridge, so no AASHTO rule is violated.
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Hellfighter

I say make it I-9 from I-5 to CA-58, then I-40 can take over the rest of the way.

Bickendan

Revert to US 99 and then get Oregon and Washington to join in so it exists continuously to British Columbia.

myosh_tino

As much as I would like it to be I-9, it will probably be I-7 because CA-9 is a lengthy route over the Santa Cruz Mountains connecting Santa Cruz to Los Gatos via Saratoga, Boulder Creek and Scotts Valley and within California, route numbers cannot be duplicated regardless of route type (Interstate, US or Calif state route).  There is a CA-7 but it's a short route connecting I-8 to the Mexico border and can be easily renumbered.
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agentsteel53

Highway 7 is a travesty, given the history of the route number!

the first 7 came down from the Modoc County line in Oregon and followed US-395, down to US-6 at Brady, and through Mojave, Castaic Junction (where it met US-99), then down to Sepulveda Boulevard and through Los Angeles into Orange County.

Even when US-395 and US-6 came in, the 7 was a good 70 miles along, following the route that I-405 would later take... and when in 1958, the route got renumbered to 405, and the old 15 corridor needed to relinquish its number in favor of an interstate route, the new 7 was a 20 mile boulevard and freeway between Pasadena and Long Beach...

then that was renumbered to 710, and the number 7 was freed up for further allocation - and they decided to put the number 7 onto a two mile section of road that serves the Mexican border and little else??? What a total waste!

I hope they get rid of the current pathetic stub of a state route 7, and give the number back to a highway of proper length and stature. 
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rebel049

There are still "single state" violations:

57
92
96
130
171
175
181
192
201
264
266
290
341
350
360

rickmastfan67

Quote from: rebel049 on July 01, 2009, 08:17:16 AM
There are still "single state" violations:

57
92
96
130
171
175
181
192
201
264
266
290
341
350
360

You forgot US-211 (VA).

rebel049

That would explain all but one then. My question would be did US-57 get approved before the new guidelines took effect or was it approved with the new guidelines already in effect?

agentsteel53

US-57 is after the new guidelines.  The guidelines were formalized in 1970, though they had been recommended before (i.e. AASHTO has never liked the split routes and has sought to eliminate them since 1926 when it first grudgingly allowed them).

US-57 was signed in 1971.  It is an extension of Mexican federal route 57, and was given the US federal designation at the behest of the Mexican government.  (Don't ask me what Colonel Travis thought of that!)
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Tom

#11
US-99's Ridge Route was featured in "Ripley's Believe or Not" this past Aug. 29th:
http://comics.com/zoom/333619/ :coffee:

Quillz

I still think I-9 makes more sense (save I-7 for those in Oregon who want US-97 upgraded to full interstate standards). Rename the existing CA-9 to CA-900. This is what I would do, anyway.

agentsteel53

Quote from: Quillz on October 15, 2010, 05:55:09 PM
I still think I-9 makes more sense (save I-7 for those in Oregon who want US-97 upgraded to full interstate standards). Rename the existing CA-9 to CA-900. This is what I would do, anyway.

900 is kind of a silly number, completely out of pattern with how CA does things.  309 would be a potentially conforming number (3xx tends to be assigned to the old alignment of xx), but given the availability of 21, I'd go with that.
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Quillz

Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 15, 2010, 06:30:40 PM
Quote from: Quillz on October 15, 2010, 05:55:09 PM
I still think I-9 makes more sense (save I-7 for those in Oregon who want US-97 upgraded to full interstate standards). Rename the existing CA-9 to CA-900. This is what I would do, anyway.

900 is kind of a silly number, completely out of pattern with how CA does things.  309 would be a potentially conforming number (3xx tends to be assigned to the old alignment of xx), but given the availability of 21, I'd go with that.
I suggest 900 only because CalTRANS is cheap and likes to reuse signs, so they could just tack two zeros onto the end of each existing CA-9 shield.

kurumi

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Quote from: Quillz on October 15, 2010, 06:59:41 PM
I suggest 900 only because CalTRANS is cheap and likes to reuse signs, so they could just tack two zeros onto the end of each existing CA-9 shield.

If CA decomissioned US 6, then CA 9 could become CA 6 and you could just rotate the signs. (j/k)


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agentsteel53

Quote from: Quillz on October 15, 2010, 06:59:41 PM
I suggest 900 only because CalTRANS is cheap and likes to reuse signs, so they could just tack two zeros onto the end of each existing CA-9 shield.

do not give Caltrans any brilliant ideas.
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deathtopumpkins

Quote from: Quillz on October 15, 2010, 06:59:41 PM
I suggest 900 only because CalTRANS is cheap and likes to reuse signs, so they could just tack two zeros onto the end of each existing CA-9 shield.

How, exactly, is tacking two zeros on any easier or cheaper than tacking, say, a zero and a three on? Admittedly, that does sound like more justification for CalTrans to do what you've suggested...
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Alps

The 9 is in the middle.  You'd have to make it something like 390 or 399.  How about 090, A9A?

Quillz

Quote from: AlpsROADS on October 17, 2010, 06:00:54 PM
The 9 is in the middle.  You'd have to make it something like 390 or 399.  How about 090, A9A?
I have seen a few error shields from time to time with off-centered numbers.

And completely unrelated, but for many years, an exit sign for a street near where I live had the wrong suffix on the sign... "Dr." when it should have been "Blvd." The sign was erected about 1997 or so and wasn't fixed until late last year. So never underestimate the laziness of CalTRANS.

subzeroepsilon

What about 117 or something x17 since current CA-9 kind of acts like a scenic alternative to CA-17 to get from San Jose to Santa Cruz?

national highway 1

Sure thing, as CA 117 was used for what is now CA 905 until 1986.
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Quillz

Quote from: subzeroepsilon on October 20, 2010, 04:53:07 PM
What about 117 or something x17 since current CA-9 kind of acts like a scenic alternative to CA-17 to get from San Jose to Santa Cruz?
Don't forget about CA-236, which in turn is its own scenic alternative to CA-9, which is a scenic alternative to CA-17!

national highway 1

Aren't 236, 237 & 238 bits of 9 that were broken up in 1964?
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TheStranger

Quote from: ausinterkid on October 25, 2010, 05:40:59 AM
Aren't 236, 237 & 238 bits of 9 that were broken up in 1964?

Correct.   Other routes that were created from segments of Route 9 were the old surface street routing of Route 85, and Route 262.
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