Roads that Split while Keeping the Same Name/Number

[GaryV]

How about a road that doesn't split quite correctly?  US-25 splits into 25E and 25W on the outskirts of Corbin, KY.  But coming south on US-25, straight ahead is 25W.  25E goes both left and right.  (Right, to the west, for about a mile to end at I-75.)  If a road is splitting into 2 branches, there should only be 2 directions.

[vdeane]

Warren County, NY has one CR that is 3-legged: CR 11. The main segment connects NY 9N to I-87 Exit 24, but there is an older road forking off to the south. Both are signed as CR 11 and, unusually for Warren County, all shields have direction banners, the only route to have direction banners.

Maybe that's WHY it has direction banners.

[Rover_0]

In Utah, all roads on state university campuses are state highways. Think Arkansas and Virginia are the same. Creates weird stuff like this.

Actually, that's not quite the case anymore. While most routes on State University campuses are state-maintained (and hence state routes), such as UT-282 at the University of Utah, UT-289 on Southern Utah University, and UT-284 at Weber State, some, such as UT-288 (2007 or so) on the campus of Utah State University and UT-281 (1980-something) at Dixie College that have been turned over to local control years ago.

But there's truth to the still-existant 281-299 route numbers (and 900 and 901) having no distinct route and having multiple endings. It would be better to have a special designation for these routes IMO.

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[Bickendan]

OR 223.  It has a northern and eastern terminus both connecting to OR 22.

checking the underlying highway numbers, main branch of OR 223 is ORH 189 and the Rickreall branch is ORH 191. I believe ODOT considers this to be OR 223S but doesn't sign it this way, otherwise it'd be ORH 189Y.

I think OR 39 in Klamath Falls is still technically 3-legged. And when OR 232 was made out of an old alignment of US-97 north of there, there was a leg running into Crater Lake NP from the east. That leg was decommissioned long before OR 232 itself was, and I think it's now just a dirt road.

OR 39 is split (bypass is OR 39, and downtown alignment is OR 39 Bus), but ORH 20 under it is 3 legged.

[JasonOfORoads]

OR 223.  It has a northern and eastern terminus both connecting to OR 22.

checking the underlying highway numbers, main branch of OR 223 is ORH 189 and the Rickreall branch is ORH 191. I believe ODOT considers this to be OR 223S but doesn't sign it this way, otherwise it'd be ORH 189Y.

I think OR 39 in Klamath Falls is still technically 3-legged. And when OR 232 was made out of an old alignment of US-97 north of there, there was a leg running into Crater Lake NP from the east. That leg was decommissioned long before OR 232 itself was, and I think it's now just a dirt road.

OR 39 is split (bypass is OR 39, and downtown alignment is OR 39 Bus), but ORH 20 under it is 3 legged.

According to ODOT's K-Falls map, OR 39 is indeed three-legged. The latest "Descriptions of US and OR Routes" that I have (from July 2008) also says it's three-legged:

OR39 - Over the Klamath Falls-Malin Highway and the Klamath Falls-Lakeview Highway from their junctions with The Dalles-California Highway in Klamath Falls, easterly to the junction of the Klamath Falls-Lakeview Highway and the Klamath Falls-Malin Highway, approximately five miles east of Klamath Falls;

Thence southeasterly over the Klamath Falls-Malin Highway, (common with OR140 from the Klamath Falls-Lakeview Highway to the junction with the South Klamath Falls Highway) via Merrill to its junction with the Hatfield Highway; thence southeasterly over the Hatfield Highway to the California State Line.

There is no entry for OR 39 Bus.

[paulthemapguy]

No one has brought up Iowa 415 yet?  Isn't this the type of scenario we're looking for?

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7610399,-93.7238052,12.83z

[roadman65]

What about US 222 in Lancaster?  If I remember correctly SB US 222 follows PA 501 from US 30 and NB uses PA 272 due to the way the ramps are to and from US 30.   Both PA 501 and PA 272 are so close to each other that when both interchange with US 30 they sort of act as one whole interchange. However the WB US 30 ramp does not connect to SB PA 272 so it interchanges with PA 501 instead.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Lancaster,+PA/@40.0661184,-76.307259,16z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x89c6248b917214b9:0xb46790d030dbd2d6!8m2!3d40.0378755!4d-76.3055144

[Bickendan]

OR 223.  It has a northern and eastern terminus both connecting to OR 22.

checking the underlying highway numbers, main branch of OR 223 is ORH 189 and the Rickreall branch is ORH 191. I believe ODOT considers this to be OR 223S but doesn't sign it this way, otherwise it'd be ORH 189Y.

I think OR 39 in Klamath Falls is still technically 3-legged. And when OR 232 was made out of an old alignment of US-97 north of there, there was a leg running into Crater Lake NP from the east. That leg was decommissioned long before OR 232 itself was, and I think it's now just a dirt road.

OR 39 is split (bypass is OR 39, and downtown alignment is OR 39 Bus), but ORH 20 under it is 3 legged.

According to ODOT's K-Falls map, OR 39 is indeed three-legged. The latest "Descriptions of US and OR Routes" that I have (from July 2008) also says it's three-legged:

OR39 - Over the Klamath Falls-Malin Highway and the Klamath Falls-Lakeview Highway from their junctions with The Dalles-California Highway in Klamath Falls, easterly to the junction of the Klamath Falls-Lakeview Highway and the Klamath Falls-Malin Highway, approximately five miles east of Klamath Falls;

Thence southeasterly over the Klamath Falls-Malin Highway, (common with OR140 from the Klamath Falls-Lakeview Highway to the junction with the South Klamath Falls Highway) via Merrill to its junction with the Hatfield Highway; thence southeasterly over the Hatfield Highway to the California State Line.

There is no entry for OR 39 Bus.

GMSV isn't helping either, but did give me this gem: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2234291,-121.7825104,3a,19.7y,57.01h,94.78t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sl7WqcTYYIqBU2rbsFey7nw!2e0
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2240939,-121.7833387,3a,28.5y,182.54h,90.04t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sxSQvgQTIXsoVjDK6mM6XjA!2e0
US 39 and US 140!

Analysis of the ODOT map clarifies what ORH 20 and 50 are doing in Klamath Falls, at least. 20 starts downtown at US 97 and runs to Lakeview, and 50 starts at 97 near OIT then down to Malin, with an overlap between 20 and 50 between the bypass and OR 140.
GMSV's not showing much by way of signage for OR 39 along ORH 20 within Klamath Falls, and what it does show are amusing US 39 shields. This rules out Bus OR 39, especially as that would theoretically reconnect with OR 39 where Bus US 97 joins the bypass; the map shows the ORH 20 OR 39 going to Bus 97's southern terminus with US 97.

Even OR 34's routing and signage through Corvallis isn't this aggravating!

[JasonOfORoads]

GMSV isn't helping either, but did give me this gem: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2234291,-121.7825104,3a,19.7y,57.01h,94.78t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sl7WqcTYYIqBU2rbsFey7nw!2e0
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2240939,-121.7833387,3a,28.5y,182.54h,90.04t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sxSQvgQTIXsoVjDK6mM6XjA!2e0
US 39 and US 140!

ODOT gets their shields mixed up in that area a lot. I also remember seeing US 39 shields at intersections with side streets along ORH 50 somwehere between K-Falls and the California line on a trip from Portland to Reno about 2 years ago. It seems fitting that OR 39 and OR 140 are now US highways considering they also think US 97 is a state route!

I do think 140 should've been turned into a US route in Oregon and Nevada, though.

Analysis of the ODOT map clarifies what ORH 20 and 50 are doing in Klamath Falls, at least. 20 starts downtown at US 97 and runs to Lakeview, and 50 starts at 97 near OIT then down to Malin, with an overlap between 20 and 50 between the bypass and OR 140.
GMSV's not showing much by way of signage for OR 39 along ORH 20 within Klamath Falls, and what it does show are amusing US 39 shields. This rules out Bus OR 39, especially as that would theoretically reconnect with OR 39 where Bus US 97 joins the bypass; the map shows the ORH 20 OR 39 going to Bus 97's southern terminus with US 97.

Even OR 34's routing and signage through Corvallis isn't this aggravating!

I remember that Mike Wiley's old site did mention an OR 39 Business, but his current Highways stub page does not. I'm curious if it ever existed after the bypass opened. Now that I have a bunch more Route Descriptions documents dating to the 1960s through 1990s, I can see if that was ever the case. More research is definitely needed.

[JasonOfORoads]

Now that I have a bunch more Route Descriptions documents dating to the 1960s through 1990s, I can see if that was ever the case. More research is definitely needed.

I checked the Route Descriptions I had from 1980, 1988, 1990, 1993, 2005 and 2007. None of them mentioned OR 39 Business. I admittedly have a rather large gap between December 1958 and 1980, so it could've been defined sometime between then. However, my guess is that it only would've come about after OR 140 was moved to the Southern Bypass, which appears to have happened in 1987 according to the 2017 HSHO.

[bugo]

I-270 at the Capital Beltway does this, and the western part of the fork is even labeled a Spur. Same goes for I-895 south of Baltimore.

that piece should be i-97

How on earth would you connect it to the current I-97? Have it follow I-495 to US 50?

[1995hoo]

I-270 at the Capital Beltway does this, and the western part of the fork is even labeled a Spur. Same goes for I-895 south of Baltimore.

that piece should be i-97

How on earth would you connect it to the current I-97? Have it follow I-495 to US 50?

I-470 would be more realistic. The 1976 Virginia state highway map, which shows small bits of Maryland near the state line, showed the I-270 Spur as I-470.

[ilpt4u]

Does I-670 in Columbus, OH near I-71 count?

Google Maps shows 2 different 2-way segments as I-670, but I have no idea if it is actually signed as such in the Buckeye State Capitol

https://goo.gl/maps/iPkWgnUFTnJ2

[cl94]

Does I-670 in Columbus, OH near I-71 count?

Google Maps shows 2 different 2-way segments as I-670, but I have no idea if it is actually signed as such in the Buckeye State Capitol

https://goo.gl/maps/iPkWgnUFTnJ2

I-670 is a strange case. As signed, WB uses the north side and SB uses the south side. It is impossible for through WB traffic to use the south side and for through EB traffic to use the north side. Functionally, it's just a wide median through the I-71 interchange. As far as "why?", I-670 east of I-71 opened 30 years after everything else and the north leg was a railroad yard.

Per the straight line diagrams, I-670 is the south leg, so WB technically has a discontinuity. The north leg is a long ramp per SLDs. Only way to get on the EB side of the north leg is to enter at US 23 NB or the convention center, south leg is accessed from I-71 NB and SR 3.

[vdeane]

If Ohio is like NY, I'm guessing that's because the state is only inventorying by primary direction but needed some way of keeping track of the rest of it.

[cl94]

If Ohio is like NY, I'm guessing that's because the state is only inventorying by primary direction but needed some way of keeping track of the rest of it.

Correct. Ohio inventories divided highways following the NB/EB side. I just checked ODOT's GIS because I'm really curious about this. Internally, the WB side of the north leg is I-670 (as is the EB side of the south leg), so the state is considering it to be a wide median with the other direction of each leg being ramps (and inventoried as such). Generally, a case like this where one direction takes an entirely different alignment (i.e. a one-way pair) would get a D/F/G suffix for the reverse direction (such as nearby US 23, where SB (Summit St) is US 23D). Heck, even US 62 has an 0.06-mile long designation of US 62G near a roundabout at Morse Rd. Those suffixes are specific to the county.

[Beeper1]

NY-344 in Copake Falls is a 3-legged route.  Both of the legs connecting to NY-22 are signed and considered 344, in addition to the leg heading east towards the Mass state line.

[cl94]

NY-344 in Copake Falls is a 3-legged route.  Both of the legs connecting to NY-22 are signed and considered 344, in addition to the leg heading east towards the Mass state line.

Technically incorrect. Southern leg is NY 980F, even though it is signed as NY 344 with reference markers indicating as such. NY 71 to the north is a similar case: only the south leg is NY 71, north leg is NY 980E but with 71 reference markers. NY 343 near Dover Plains? Yep, same: north leg is NY 343, south leg is NY 980G.

[pianocello]

No one has brought up Iowa 415 yet?  Isn't this the type of scenario we're looking for?

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7610399,-93.7238052,12.83z

It is what we're looking for, but the leg going northwest out of Polk City was decommissioned in 2003 and rerouted over Saylorville Lake. Makes the N-S designation pretty weird, especially at the interchange with IA 141.

[dgolub]

CR 516 in New Jersey does this in Matawan.