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Why does Bridge of the Gods not connect to I-84?
« on: September 12, 2017, 07:26:50 PM »

We just visited and my wife happened to see the exit sign to US 30 but it comes about a block from connecting.  You have to make a long loop to get onto the bridge.  Why was it never connected?
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Re: Why does Bridge of the Gods not connect to I-84?
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2017, 07:50:07 PM »

And just how much of Cascade Locks were you intending to destroy? Or were you going to eliminate the toll for them? Tell us how you would connect it, and if you don't have an answer, then maybe that's why.
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Re: Why does Bridge of the Gods not connect to I-84?
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2017, 08:44:09 PM »

Though I've never been there myself, I think the current set-up is fine. In fact, I'd say the loop gives a really neat build-up to the already-mesmerizing bridge - you make a big curve in the midst of many pretty trees, and then you're there, at the sight.

That really is a beautiful bridge, and I think I've seen pictures of it a few times at the top of the aaroads.com website.
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Re: Why does Bridge of the Gods not connect to I-84?
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2017, 09:12:47 PM »

Bridge of the Gods needs not connect to I-84. Traffic and distance from the freeway to the bridge is a non-factor.
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Re: Why does Bridge of the Gods not connect to I-84?
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2017, 09:17:32 PM »

It comes a few feet from connecting already.  Look at the aeriel view.
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Re: Why does Bridge of the Gods not connect to I-84?
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2017, 11:44:52 PM »

Waaaaah.
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Re: Why does Bridge of the Gods not connect to I-84?
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2017, 02:43:59 AM »

It comes a few feet from connecting already.  Look at the aeriel view.

So? This is literally a non-issue for everyone here.
If you really want some justification as to why it doesn't directly connect to I-84, it gives US 30 something to do beyond just beyond being a Bus 84 loop.
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Re: Why does Bridge of the Gods not connect to I-84?
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2017, 06:24:52 AM »

The bridge is primarily a local server, and a nice little way for Gorge tourists to get from one side of the river to the other.  Period.  No need to connect it in any way that doesn't exist right now; it'll never be part of any arterial corridor.
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Re: Why does Bridge of the Gods not connect to I-84?
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2017, 07:39:06 AM »

There's also the little matter that I-84 is at a much higher grade than the Oregon-side bridge approach, so you'd either have to replace the entire bridge to raise its grade or do a good bit of blasting (through National Forest and State Park, so big Section 104(f) imapcts!) in order to have a more direct connection between the bridge and 84.  Doing such would also impact Cascade Locks' access to/from I-84 West.

As Bick mentioned, not really necessary.
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Re: Why does Bridge of the Gods not connect to I-84?
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2017, 11:54:40 AM »

thanks, that does make sense.

It's funny how many things we talk about like this in this forum and everyone has been treating me like an idiot for even asking.
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Re: Why does Bridge of the Gods not connect to I-84?
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2017, 05:10:43 PM »

thanks, that does make sense.

It's funny how many things we talk about like this in this forum and everyone has been treating me like an idiot for even asking.

Maybe because we don't really like highways destroying protected lands around these parts...

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Re: Why does Bridge of the Gods not connect to I-84?
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2017, 07:24:48 PM »

thanks, that does make sense.

It's funny how many things we talk about like this in this forum and everyone has been treating me like an idiot for even asking.

Maybe because we don't really like highways destroying protected lands around these parts...

Not OP, but I do think there was a bit of a dickish overreaction. There's a difference between "why was it never connected" and "why don't they connect it". This was a clear instance of the former, yet everyone reacted like it was the latter. I imagine it's mostly because this part of the Gorge is now on fire and Oregonians are a little on edge.

A non-dickish answer would be "it historically connected to US-30 when it was the only route through the Gorge; a direct connection to I-84 wasn't considered necessary when the freeway was built in the 1950s and '60s; and Cascade Locks likes the local traffic for economic reasons."
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Re: Why does Bridge of the Gods not connect to I-84?
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2017, 08:15:14 PM »

I came across a bit dickish, but my intent was - if you're asking why they didn't build it, do you see a viable way that they could have? If not, then that's why they didn't build it.
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Re: Why does Bridge of the Gods not connect to I-84?
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2017, 08:38:30 PM »

I came across a bit dickish, but my intent was - if you're asking why they didn't build it, do you see a viable way that they could have? If not, then that's why they didn't build it.

My response to that question would've been "ODOT could've designed I-84 to go under the bridge, then return to its current alignment" or "ODOT could've put in a depressed interchange at the BotG because the elevation difference really isn't that drastic." Both these options might've taken out a few more homes than the actual built alignment, for sure, but it isn't impossible to imagine.
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Re: Why does Bridge of the Gods not connect to I-84?
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2017, 08:47:26 PM »

Just to clarify, there is not a hint of snarkiness or negative emotions in my particular post. I was simply stating how I think the current set-up is alright, and showing positive emotions about how much I even happen to like both the loop, and especially the bridge itself.  :nod:
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Re: Why does Bridge of the Gods not connect to I-84?
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2017, 08:59:41 AM »

I came across a bit dickish, but my intent was - if you're asking why they didn't build it, do you see a viable way that they could have? If not, then that's why they didn't build it.

My response to that question would've been "ODOT could've designed I-84 to go under the bridge, then return to its current alignment" or "ODOT could've put in a depressed interchange at the BotG because the elevation difference really isn't that drastic." Both these options might've taken out a few more homes than the actual built alignment, for sure, but it isn't impossible to imagine.

That was what I was thinking, usually they would have just connected it, especially back then before the road rebellions.  Generally bridge-over-major-river connects to interstate, especially when they almost touch.
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Re: Why does Bridge of the Gods not connect to I-84?
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2017, 09:00:27 AM »


We are just as passionate about our trees as our roads!

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Re: Why does Bridge of the Gods not connect to I-84?
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2017, 09:02:33 AM »


We are just as passionate about our trees as our roads!

I was waiting for FritzOwl to come to my defense

This thread is not in Fictional, so he won't even see this.
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Re: Why does Bridge of the Gods not connect to I-84?
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2017, 11:09:08 AM »


We are just as passionate about our trees as our roads!

I was waiting for FritzOwl to come to my defense

This thread is not in Fictional, so he won't even see this.

That's actually very true. An interesting fact, for those who do not know, is that 100% of FritzOwl's posts are in the Fictional Highways subforum. He has never posted anywhere else. See here: http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=2165
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Re: Why does Bridge of the Gods not connect to I-84?
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2017, 12:34:56 PM »

The Bridge of the Gods is a low-speed, low-traffic bridge with very little on the Washington side.  It's fine that it doesn't have a direction connection to I-84.
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Re: Why does Bridge of the Gods not connect to I-84?
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2017, 01:47:39 PM »


We are just as passionate about our trees as our roads!

I was waiting for FritzOwl to come to my defense

This thread is not in Fictional, so he won't even see this.

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Re: Why does Bridge of the Gods not connect to I-84?
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2017, 01:47:58 PM »

The Bridge of the Gods is a low-speed, low-traffic bridge with very little on the Washington side.  It's fine that it doesn't have a direction connection to I-84.


that there is another good reason
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Re: Why does Bridge of the Gods not connect to I-84?
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2017, 11:05:08 PM »

It's mainly a local connector, for commerce between Cascade Locks and Stevenson and tourist traffic.
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Re: Why does Bridge of the Gods not connect to I-84?
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2017, 11:30:54 PM »

The Bridge of the Gods is owned by the Port of Cascade Locks, not ODOT/WSDOT.  Nor does it comprise a part of a through highway or act as a logical extension of such (such as the Hood River Bridge, which is owned by the Port of Hood River but acts as a de facto extension of Oregon 35 north to SR 14.)

One could ask why isn't the Lewis & Clark Bridge connected to Interstate 5 between Rainier and Longview. 

I also believe the current ramp configuration is far safer than a confined trumpet loop that would be required to connect I-84 directly to the bridge approach, and you would have an intersection located just north of the westbound on/off-ramps that would increase collisions (although that hasn't stopped ODOT in Hood River and The Dalles).
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Re: Why does Bridge of the Gods not connect to I-84?
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2017, 11:09:11 PM »

I went to look at Google Maps and the restaurant there is now Bridgeside instead of Char Burger.  My son and I ate lunch there in 2014 after a morning in the Gorge and on our way to Mount Hood.

New name for the same restaurant or new restaurant?

Remain disappointed we did not drive across the Bridge of The Gods.  We had evening plans in Portland and were just running out of time because I spent too much time in the Vista House...
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