Department of Redundancy Department

[GaryV]

^^ M-21 is on surface streets in Flint, not on I-69 until you are east (or well west) of the city. 

[empirestate]

"Lake" and "reservoir" are the same thing. It should either be "Nolin Lake" or "Nolin Reservoir."

Well, not exactly, although I get that that's the joke here. If a dam is built downstream of a natural lake, the resulting impoundment would be a reservoir and could quite conceivably be named after the existing lake. Superfluous, perhaps, but not altogether redundant.

[wanderer2575]

^^ M-21 is on surface streets in Flint, not on I-69 until you are east (or well west) of the city.

It is now, but when the freeway was first built in the Flint area it carried the M-21 and M-78 designations.  M-21 was moved back onto surface streets when the freeway was later redesignated as an extension of I-69.

[TheHighwayMan3561]

I noticed driving on WIS 29 over the last few years that on presumably older signs installed before exit numbers were retrofitted on them, WISDOT greened out all the extra instances of "EXIT" on the bottom of the sign after the retrofits were complete.

[7/8]

I found this sign an hour ago on Roseville Rd in North Dumfries, ON. I personally don't recall seeing a "Right Lane Ends" sign written in text before.

[1995hoo]

I found this sign an hour ago on Roseville Rd in North Dumfries, ON. I personally don't recall seeing a "Right Lane Exits" sign written in text before.

....

You still haven't. 

[7/8]

I found this sign an hour ago on Roseville Rd in North Dumfries, ON. I personally don't recall seeing a "Right Lane Exits" sign written in text before.

....

You still haven't. 

Oops!

[epzik8]

[kkt]

I don't see the redundancy?  Transit centers are usually for surface transportation.

[jeffandnicole]

I don't see the redundancy?  Transit centers are usually for surface transportation.

The redundancy is the 'Exit 1' tab and the 'Exit 1' where the distance to the exit normally goes.

[kkt]

I don't see the redundancy?  Transit centers are usually for surface transportation.

The redundancy is the 'Exit 1' tab and the 'Exit 1' where the distance to the exit normally goes.

Oh, right.  Of course.

[SignGeek101]

In case you don't know the advised speed for an freeway-freeway ramp:

https://goo.gl/maps/sMntAmXXAY32

There are four. For a freeway-freeway transition, it's a bit on the slow side.

[MNHighwayMan]

In case you don't know the advised speed for an freeway-freeway ramp:

https://goo.gl/maps/sMntAmXXAY32

There are four. For a freeway-freeway transition, it's a bit on the slow side.

Reminds me vaguely of the triple speed limit sign setup where the retarded 45 MPH parkway begins on I-35E in St. Paul. There are plenty of warning signs on its approach, too.

[jakeroot]

In case you don't know the advised speed for an freeway-freeway ramp:

https://goo.gl/maps/sMntAmXXAY32

There are four. For a freeway-freeway transition, it's a bit on the slow side.

65? I was under the impression that the Great White North used blocks of ten when posting speed limit signs, irrespective of the limit being advisory or otherwise.

[7/8]

In case you don't know the advised speed for an freeway-freeway ramp:

https://goo.gl/maps/sMntAmXXAY32

There are four. For a freeway-freeway transition, it's a bit on the slow side.

65? I was under the impression that the Great White North used blocks of ten when posting speed limit signs, irrespective of the limit being advisory or otherwise.

Quebec has their advisory speed limits ending in 5's (never 0's). I'm not sure if any other provinces do that (Ontario doesn't).

[SignGeek101]

In case you don't know the advised speed for an freeway-freeway ramp:

https://goo.gl/maps/sMntAmXXAY32

There are four. For a freeway-freeway transition, it's a bit on the slow side.

65? I was under the impression that the Great White North used blocks of ten when posting speed limit signs, irrespective of the limit being advisory or otherwise.

Quebec has their advisory speed limits ending in 5's (never 0's). I'm not sure if any other provinces do that (Ontario doesn't).

As far as I'm aware, Quebec is the only jurisdiction that has advisory (ramp) limits commonly ending on a '5'.

[freebrickproductions]

Hartselle, AL:
No Parking No Parking Anytime by freebrickproductions, on Flickr
No Parking No Parking Anytime by freebrickproductions, on Flickr

[JJBers]

Hartselle, AL:
No Parking No Parking Anytime by freebrickproductions, on Flickr
No Parking No Parking Anytime by freebrickproductions, on Flickr

Maybe the felt like people would think at night to park there.

[MASTERNC]

How about this one?  Part of the issue is there are two 25 MPH advisory speed signs and then a 15 MPH sign (plus 15 MPH plates below the curve chevrons on the ramp).

https://goo.gl/maps/gqwJ2g3gdHS2

[jakeroot]

How about this one?  Part of the issue is there are two 25 MPH advisory speed signs and then a 15 MPH sign (plus 15 MPH plates below the curve chevrons on the ramp).

https://goo.gl/maps/gqwJ2g3gdHS2

That's more misleading than anything. 25 or 15? I suppose, since it's an advisory speed, it's not legally binding anyway. But strange that they'd have two different suggested ramp speeds.

All told, I do like the redundant advisory speeds below the chevrons, even if 15 is unnecessary.

[SignGeek101]

How about this one?  Part of the issue is there are two 25 MPH advisory speed signs and then a 15 MPH sign (plus 15 MPH plates below the curve chevrons on the ramp).

https://goo.gl/maps/gqwJ2g3gdHS2

That's more misleading than anything. 25 or 15? I suppose, since it's an advisory speed, it's not legally binding anyway. But strange that they'd have two different suggested ramp speeds.

All told, I do like the redundant advisory speeds below the chevrons, even if 15 is unnecessary.

25 for regular vehicles and 15 for trucks... doesn't seem that hard to understand to me.

[jeffandnicole]

How about this one?  Part of the issue is there are two 25 MPH advisory speed signs and then a 15 MPH sign (plus 15 MPH plates below the curve chevrons on the ramp).

https://goo.gl/maps/gqwJ2g3gdHS2

That's more misleading than anything. 25 or 15? I suppose, since it's an advisory speed, it's not legally binding anyway. But strange that they'd have two different suggested ramp speeds.

All told, I do like the redundant advisory speeds below the chevrons, even if 15 is unnecessary.

On ramps where there's a history of truck turnovers, they will specifically post a lower advisory limit for trucks.

It's not legally binding...as a speed limit.  But if a truck takes the curve at 25 mph, you can bet the ticket will be written up for unsafe speed, the insurance company will want to know what you didn't slow down to the advised speed, and your company will say "bye-bye"!

[jakeroot]

How about this one?  Part of the issue is there are two 25 MPH advisory speed signs and then a 15 MPH sign (plus 15 MPH plates below the curve chevrons on the ramp).

https://goo.gl/maps/gqwJ2g3gdHS2

That's more misleading than anything. 25 or 15? I suppose, since it's an advisory speed, it's not legally binding anyway. But strange that they'd have two different suggested ramp speeds.

All told, I do like the redundant advisory speeds below the chevrons, even if 15 is unnecessary.

On ramps where there's a history of truck turnovers, they will specifically post a lower advisory limit for trucks.

It's not legally binding...as a speed limit.  But if a truck takes the curve at 25 mph, you can bet the ticket will be written up for unsafe speed, the insurance company will want to know what you didn't slow down to the advised speed, and your company will say "bye-bye"!

I didn't connect the truck "tip over" warning as a separate truck advisory limit. I figured the sign had to say "TRUCK" above the limit, not just a symbol.

I think you might be over-stating the importance of CDL holders abiding to advisory limits. Are you expecting an officer to be waiting halfway down the ramp with a radar gun?

If the truck tipped over, though, that's different. At that point, the ignorance of the advisory limit would almost certainly come into question.

[vtk]

I think you might be over-stating the importance of CDL holders abiding to advisory limits. Are you expecting an officer to be waiting halfway down the ramp with a radar gun?

If the truck tipped over, though, that's different. At that point, the ignorance of the advisory limit would almost certainly come into question.

Many commercial vehicles have cameras which record forward-facing video and in-cab video, as well as metrics such as speed, and if triggered (usually by g-force events) they send a clip to the company for analysis.  Taking a curve too fast can potentially trigger the camera, and then the driver may face corrective action.

[jeffandnicole]

How about this one?  Part of the issue is there are two 25 MPH advisory speed signs and then a 15 MPH sign (plus 15 MPH plates below the curve chevrons on the ramp).

https://goo.gl/maps/gqwJ2g3gdHS2

That's more misleading than anything. 25 or 15? I suppose, since it's an advisory speed, it's not legally binding anyway. But strange that they'd have two different suggested ramp speeds.

All told, I do like the redundant advisory speeds below the chevrons, even if 15 is unnecessary.

On ramps where there's a history of truck turnovers, they will specifically post a lower advisory limit for trucks.

It's not legally binding...as a speed limit.  But if a truck takes the curve at 25 mph, you can bet the ticket will be written up for unsafe speed, the insurance company will want to know what you didn't slow down to the advised speed, and your company will say "bye-bye"!

I didn't connect the truck "tip over" warning as a separate truck advisory limit. I figured the sign had to say "TRUCK" above the limit, not just a symbol.

I think you might be over-stating the importance of CDL holders abiding to advisory limits. Are you expecting an officer to be waiting halfway down the ramp with a radar gun?

If the truck tipped over, though, that's different. At that point, the ignorance of the advisory limit would almost certainly come into question.

I definitely left out a key component of my issue with trucks. If the truck takes the curve at 25 mph *and tips over*...

The symbol illustrates why trucks need to slow dow, so  words aren't needed (buses are expected to slow down as well when such a sign is used). But regardles of what vehicle flips over on a ramp, it's almost guaranteed excessive speed was at least one of the causes of such flipping.