New York

[froggie]

You people need to work better on your April Fool's "jokes"...

[D-Dey65]

Well this isn't an April Fool's joke. It's a legitimate question.

Where on NY 199 is (or was) this church? I looked thoughout GSV, but I couldn't find it.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/7327243@N05/6894671721/

[Alps]

Well this isn't an April Fool's joke. It's a legitimate question.

Where on NY 199 is (or was) this church? I looked thoughout GSV, but I couldn't find it.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/7327243@N05/6894671721/

By Googling the text on the front: https://www.yelp.com/biz/rowe-united-methodist-church-milan

[D-Dey65]

"Rowe?" Is that what that says? I thought it said something like "Piore" United Methodist Church.

[webny99]

Things are happening quickly in NY for a change... traffic data for Monday (eclipse day) is already available from many of NYSDOT's continuous count sites! As I get time, I'll be parsing through it all and sharing findings of interest. For anyone else interested, here is the link:

https://nysdottrafficdata.drakewell.com/publicmultinodemap.asp

Filtering tip: use the bottom left menu to turn off the "All" selection, then turn on "CCS Active" and "WIM Active", as these are the only sites with updated data.

[vdeane]

Things are happening quickly in NY for a change... traffic data for Monday (eclipse day) is already available from many of NYSDOT's continuous count sites! As I get time, I'll be parsing through it all and sharing findings of interest. For anyone else interested, here is the link:

https://nysdottrafficdata.drakewell.com/publicmultinodemap.asp

Filtering tip: use the bottom left menu to turn off the "All" selection, then turn on "CCS Active" and "WIM Active", as these are the only sites with updated data.

One of the nice things with Drakewell is it (mostly) updates in real time.  As soon as NYSDOT processes a traffic count, it's there, available for everyone to see.  The exception is AADT values; those get processed in batch once a year.

[Rothman]

Things are happening quickly in NY for a change... traffic data for Monday (eclipse day) is already available from many of NYSDOT's continuous count sites! As I get time, I'll be parsing through it all and sharing findings of interest. For anyone else interested, here is the link:

https://nysdottrafficdata.drakewell.com/publicmultinodemap.asp

Filtering tip: use the bottom left menu to turn off the "All" selection, then turn on "CCS Active" and "WIM Active", as these are the only sites with updated data.

One of the nice things with Drakewell is it (mostly) updates in real time.  As soon as NYSDOT processes a traffic count, it's there, available for everyone to see.  The exception is AADT values; those get processed in batch once a year.

That last sentence is a source of a whole lot of frustration.  I've heard a lot of "They couldn't just do the calculation?!" type complaints over that one.

[pderocco]

Things are happening quickly in NY for a change... traffic data for Monday (eclipse day) is already available from many of NYSDOT's continuous count sites! As I get time, I'll be parsing through it all and sharing findings of interest. For anyone else interested, here is the link:

https://nysdottrafficdata.drakewell.com/publicmultinodemap.asp

Filtering tip: use the bottom left menu to turn off the "All" selection, then turn on "CCS Active" and "WIM Active", as these are the only sites with updated data.

One of the nice things with Drakewell is it (mostly) updates in real time.  As soon as NYSDOT processes a traffic count, it's there, available for everyone to see.  The exception is AADT values; those get processed in batch once a year.

They would probably mostly ramp gradually from what they were on Jan 1 of one year to Jan 1 of the next year. A one year running average filters out all the interesting shorter term changes.

[webny99]

Things are happening quickly in NY for a change... traffic data for Monday (eclipse day) is already available from many of NYSDOT's continuous count sites! As I get time, I'll be parsing through it all and sharing findings of interest. For anyone else interested, here is the link:

https://nysdottrafficdata.drakewell.com/publicmultinodemap.asp

Filtering tip: use the bottom left menu to turn off the "All" selection, then turn on "CCS Active" and "WIM Active", as these are the only sites with updated data.

One of the nice things with Drakewell is it (mostly) updates in real time.  As soon as NYSDOT processes a traffic count, it's there, available for everyone to see.  The exception is AADT values; those get processed in batch once a year.

It would be nice if it was more consistent in terms of what get processed when, though.

About a third of the CC sites are uniformly updated through the 8th, while the other two-thirds are widely variable, with most recent data ranging from the 1st to the 7th. From what I can tell, it's pretty much completely random, with no rhyme or reason to what's updated based on location, region, or road type.

[Rothman]

Things are happening quickly in NY for a change... traffic data for Monday (eclipse day) is already available from many of NYSDOT's continuous count sites! As I get time, I'll be parsing through it all and sharing findings of interest. For anyone else interested, here is the link:

https://nysdottrafficdata.drakewell.com/publicmultinodemap.asp

Filtering tip: use the bottom left menu to turn off the "All" selection, then turn on "CCS Active" and "WIM Active", as these are the only sites with updated data.

One of the nice things with Drakewell is it (mostly) updates in real time.  As soon as NYSDOT processes a traffic count, it's there, available for everyone to see.  The exception is AADT values; those get processed in batch once a year.

It would be nice if it was more consistent in terms of what get processed when, though.

About a third of the CC sites are uniformly updated through the 8th, while the other two-thirds are widely variable, with most recent data ranging from the 1st to the 7th. From what I can tell, it's pretty much completely random, with no rhyme or reason to what's updated based on location, region, or road type.

For what it's worth, "continuous" is a subjective term when it comes to those stations...

(personal opinion emphasized)

[crispy93]

I drove across the Newburgh-Beacon Bridge today and I noticed the eastbound exit signage for NY-9D is already... peeling?

Google Maps shows these signs were installed in 2022 and were peeling while the westbound roadwork was still underway. Does anyone know why this happens?

[SignBridge]

I'll guess crappy quality. Also a mistake was made in production re: the size of the Danbury lettering. Can't believe no one noticed the error before the sign was installed. Or does just nobody care? 

[hotdogPi]

Regarding the lettering size, some people think it's supposed to be that way. The MUTCD says the lowercase letters should be 3/4 the size of the uppercase letters. It's often misinterpreted to mean the font size for the lowercase letters should be less.

[crispy93]

I'll guess crappy quality. Also a mistake was made in production re: the size of the Danbury lettering. Can't believe no one noticed the error before the sign was installed. Or does just nobody care? 

The same size issue comes up at the Exit 41 gore, you can even see it on the 9D sign: https://maps.app.goo.gl/AR5ngnRGem319HkQA

[SignBridge]

I don't get it. You don't have to have the letters P.E. after your name to see that those letter sizes on those signs don't look right. But at least they sign the lane-drop properly unlike their counterparts in New Jersey in some cases.

Also those down pointing arrows look too small. But I'm not sure. It could just be the angle we're looking at it in the photo.

[webny99]

...
About a third of the CC sites are uniformly updated through the 8th, while the other two-thirds are widely variable, with most recent data ranging from the 1st to the 7th. From what I can tell, it's pretty much completely random, with no rhyme or reason to what's updated based on location, region, or road type.

For what it's worth, "continuous" is a subjective term when it comes to those stations...

(personal opinion emphasized)

Well, NYSDOT seems to have gotten it together, at least for the time being. After a series of updates this morning, almost all "active" CC sites are uniformly updated with data through yesterday. WIM sites (which also collect CC data) are still variable in terms of what's updated, and frustratingly prone to having gaps in the data.

In addition to the major interstate corridors to/from the path, the following CC sites saw notable eclipse related traffic flows:

• US 62 at NY/PA line
• NY 14 north of Watkins Glen
• NY 41 south of Skaneateles
• US 11 south of Cortland
• NY 8/12 north of the Thruway
• NY 12/28 south of Alder Creek
• NY 28 in Thendara
• NY 8 in Speculator*
• NY 9N north of Ticonderoga
• NY 185 at NY/VT line

A few other notes:

• Areas deep within the path, especially urban/suburban, typically saw increased traffic on the weekend, reduced traffic on eclipse day, then a very busy Tuesday as regular traffic combined with eclipse travelers. A few good examples: NY 33 near Buffalo Airport, NY 104 in Webster, and NY 31/690 in Baldwinsville
• Some mid-size towns/cities in the path saw an overall increase in traffic, but without a strong directional flow. Examples include NY 332 in Canandaigua, 5&20 in Geneva, US 11 north of Watertown and near Canton.
• The path's centerline routing was very fortuitous for cross-border traffic. Unlike summer weekends/holidays and other typical high-traffic periods, NY's major international border crossings saw minimal traffic, and Eclipse day traffic was notably light on I-190, I-81, and I-87 near their respective crossings.
• US 219 was a total bust. Eclipse day traffic barely registered at the CC site near Hamburg, (much weaker than I-390), and the "active" CC site south of I-86 hasn't collected any data since last year. I'm comfortable saying almost ALL traffic to/from Buffalo-Niagara used the Thruway or 400/20A (a trend that will grow even stronger once CSVT is complete). Anyone that would have used 219 was either already in the path or opted for somewhere else due to cloud cover.
• It's too bad I-87 doesn't have any CC sites between Glens Falls and Plattsburgh. Eclipse day saw 92k total near Saratoga and 82k near Glens Falls, but that six-lane section sees plenty of traffic already. The numbers north of Lake George relative to typical traffic were probably historic.

[webny99]

NY 8 in Speculator*

*Does anyone have any insight on which direction is which at this count location? NY 8 "North" is physically heading south at this location and vice versa. The traffic data, which shows strong "NB" flow pre-eclipse and "SB" post-eclipse just south of Speculator, seems to align with my instinct that the dominant flow from NY 30 would be northbound before the eclipse and southbound afterwards, and that the flow from NY 30 overrides whatever is going on with NY 8. If that's the case, I guess NYSDOT decided to throw us off by naming the site after NY 8 but using NY 30's directions here.

[Rothman]

Hm.  US 11 south of Cortland doesn't seem right to attribute to eclipse traffic.

[baugh17]

Hm.  US 11 south of Cortland doesn't seem right to attribute to eclipse traffic.

Unless people were using it to either (1) bypass I-81 or (2) were Finger Lakes/Rochester bound and trying to avoid Syracuse

[vdeane]

Hm.  US 11 south of Cortland doesn't seem right to attribute to eclipse traffic.

Could be, if something happened on I-81 and caused traffic to divert.  Looking at Google Maps that day, it seemed like the backup was around Syracuse for a while before later moving south.  I know there were some sections of US 9 parallel to the Northway that got bad after the eclipse too.

[Rothman]

Hm.  US 11 south of Cortland doesn't seem right to attribute to eclipse traffic.

Could be, if something happened on I-81 and caused traffic to divert.  Looking at Google Maps that day, it seemed like the backup was around Syracuse for a while before later moving south.  I know there were some sections of US 9 parallel to the Northway that got bad after the eclipse too.

US 9 is a major tourist route up there, though.

We're talking US 11 south of Cortland, though.  That's south of where people would turn off of I-81 to dodge Syracuse (e.g., why not at NY 281, north of Cortland and head up NY 41?). 

Traffic also wasn't that bad in central NY.

If the data is accurate, it sounds like there may have been an incident down there on I-81, then...if only you could turn back time on 511 to confirm...

[webny99]

To clarify, the CC location on US 11 south of Cortland is somewhat unique. It's just north of the I-81 ramps for Exit 10 (NY 41), so it captures traffic making the jog between US 11/NY 41 and I-81 southbound.

US 11 typically sees 4-5k vpd here. On eclipse day, that surged to 9k, with over 6k southbound, and 4k of that between 5-10PM. There was also as vdeane notes, a southward trend in the congestion on I-81 during this time frame (a 6:30 PM screenshot shows Syracuse-Cortland traffic mostly yellow with some red in the Cortland area), so that correlates with a large surge of southbound travelers trying to avoid congestion and/or making a travel stop in Cortland (guilty as charged more than once myself!) and returning to I-81.

Either way, it is important context that many of them probably re-entered I-81 at Exit 10 rather than continuing on US 11.

 

[crispy93]

Also those down pointing arrows look too small. But I'm not sure. It could just be the angle we're looking at it in the photo.

NYSDOT has put up tiny arrows all over the state.
Here's one on the Taconic: https://maps.app.goo.gl/kTZXLTSKxaQoB3v9A
Here's a pull-through on the Sprain: https://maps.app.goo.gl/Q6Dq7j2HV9N2jNNs7