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Is this a ghost ramp? (WB Skelly Drive/I-44/OK 66) in Tulsa

Started by bugo, May 04, 2014, 10:08:22 PM

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Zeffy

Where exactly is the ramp in question? The closest thing I see is a cul-de-sac near the highway and a drainage ditch.
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Revive 755

Definitely a few areas there that look like either a ramp was removed or intended to be built later:
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Some plan to flip some of the ramps to/from the outer roads?

getemngo

Quote from: Zeffy on May 04, 2014, 10:18:39 PM
Where exactly is the ramp in question? The closest thing I see is a cul-de-sac near the highway and a drainage ditch.

Same thing happened to me. Head due east until you see the I-44/31st St interchange.
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Brandon

Quote from: Revive 755 on May 04, 2014, 10:34:16 PM
Definitely a few areas there that look like either a ramp was removed or intended to be built later:
Streetview
Streetview
Streetview

Some plan to flip some of the ramps to/from the outer roads?

Don't know.  There's another similar area further east that is wide the same way, but looks as though a ramp could never be built there:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=whataburger&hl=en&ll=36.127059,-95.877559&spn=0.00178,0.002642&sll=36.119443,-95.88828&sspn=0.002058,0.004812&t=k&fll=36.123787,-95.885764&fspn=0.002911,0.004812&radius=0.16&hq=whataburger&z=19

Bugo, did you do a search for a Whataburger (BTW, good choice, IMHO) when you found the first one?
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bugo

Quote from: Brandon on May 06, 2014, 11:57:25 AM
Bugo, did you do a search for a Whataburger (BTW, good choice, IMHO) when you found the first one?

Yes.

jeffandnicole

If you pan to the north and west, these shoulder flair-outs occur quite frequently.  It almost appears the original plans called for the ramps to/from the highway and frontage roads to be in different places, or maybe the frontage road wasn't to be used as extensively as it was, or the interchanges were to be larger and required more extensive accel/decel lanes.

Whatever the reason was, it appears plans to change the interchange configurations occurred early in the construction process, and these flairouts were left in place in case the interchanges were rebuilt later on.

rte66man

Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 06, 2014, 03:24:51 PM
If you pan to the north and west, these shoulder flair-outs occur quite frequently.  It almost appears the original plans called for the ramps to/from the highway and frontage roads to be in different places, or maybe the frontage road wasn't to be used as extensively as it was, or the interchanges were to be larger and required more extensive accel/decel lanes.

Whatever the reason was, it appears plans to change the interchange configurations occurred early in the construction process, and these flairouts were left in place in case the interchanges were rebuilt later on.

Those flareouts were intended for the eventual rebuild of the Skelly/BA interchange (I44/OK51).  Since the rebuild may never happen, they are ghost ramps.
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bugo

Here are some other possible ghost ramps near the infamous Cherokee Curve near Catoosa.  rte66man says they are part of the drainage structure underneath the frontage road, but I drive past here every day and I'm not convinced.  It looks to me like there is going to be a new ramp from EB 44/412 to EB OK 66 which will have a short weaving area so traffic from 193rd (OK 167) can get to EB 66.  This would also eliminate the dangerous left exit and the nonsensical curve on WB 44/412.



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