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Title: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: Scott5114 on January 23, 2013, 09:55:45 PM
How many are there? Which is the longest?

(3dis don't count for this)
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: drummer_evans_aki on January 23, 2013, 10:02:32 PM
Pierre, South Dakota
Jefferson City, Missouri
Carson City, Nevada (if I-580 doesn't count although I-11 could happen)
Juneau, Alaska (though they have no signed Interstates)

So if 3-digits don't count, you've got four capitol cities not served by an interstate.
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: Scott5114 on January 23, 2013, 10:06:32 PM
You might want to read the thread title again!
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: corco on January 23, 2013, 10:10:57 PM
By my count there are 18, 17 if you don't count I-66  and I-29 is the longest.

Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: empirestate on January 23, 2013, 10:11:36 PM
4, 8, 16, 19, 27, 29, 37, 43, 45, 49, 57, 59, 66, 68, 73, 74 (E), 78, 82, 86 (W), 86 (E), 88 (W), 99. That's 22 if my count is correct. I-29 is certainly the longest of these. I'm also making the assumption that I-88 (E) serves Albany, which is up for debate by current thinking. :-)

How about: which state capitals are connected by a single interstate to each adjoining state's capitals? Conversely, which interstates connect the capitals of every state they serve? (Intra-state routes excepted, obviously!)
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: NE2 on January 23, 2013, 10:12:23 PM
Quote from: drummer_evans_aki on January 23, 2013, 10:02:32 PM
if I-580 doesn't count
Ignoring the blatant misreading of the thread title, why the hell would I-580 not count?

(PS: Dover is the fourth)
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: corco on January 23, 2013, 10:14:26 PM
74E is considered to be the same interstate as 74W, so that doesn't count I don't think. I missed 57, 78, only counted one of the two I-86s for some reason, and the west I-88, I think you missed 79 (fuck Charleston), so we're at 21 I think.
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: US71 on January 23, 2013, 11:01:56 PM
What about I-22?
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: Milepost61 on January 23, 2013, 11:04:09 PM
Quote from: empirestate on January 23, 2013, 10:11:36 PM
Conversely, which interstates connect the capitals of every state they serve? (Intra-state routes excepted, obviously!)

I-25 (Santa Fe, Denver, Cheyenne)
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: Kacie Jane on January 23, 2013, 11:14:33 PM
Quote from: Milepost61 on January 23, 2013, 11:04:09 PM
Quote from: empirestate on January 23, 2013, 10:11:36 PM
Conversely, which interstates connect the capitals of every state they serve? (Intra-state routes excepted, obviously!)

I-25 (Santa Fe, Denver, Cheyenne)

I-5 does as well, but I'm betting there are a scant few responses to this question.
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: empirestate on January 23, 2013, 11:29:05 PM
Quote from: corco on January 23, 2013, 10:14:26 PM
74E is considered to be the same interstate as 74W, so that doesn't count I don't think.

I considered it not to be, because of the vast separation yet remaining, though I am aware of your reasoning. I'll take it either way, but if there's only one I-74, then there's only one I-265 between KY and IN. :-)

Quote from: US71 on January 23, 2013, 11:01:56 PM
What about I-22?

Does it officially exist yet?

Quote from: Kacie Jane on January 23, 2013, 11:14:33 PM
Quote from: Milepost61 on January 23, 2013, 11:04:09 PM
Quote from: empirestate on January 23, 2013, 10:11:36 PM
Conversely, which interstates connect the capitals of every state they serve? (Intra-state routes excepted, obviously!)

I-25 (Santa Fe, Denver, Cheyenne)

I-5 does as well, but I'm betting there are a scant few responses to this question.

Indeed there are, although such questions to me are more interesting than those to which almost every road in the nation is a viable answer.  :sleep:

But if you want a little more mileage, replace "capitals" with "largest cities".
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: Kacie Jane on January 23, 2013, 11:34:33 PM
Quote from: empirestate on January 23, 2013, 11:29:05 PM
Quote from: US71 on January 23, 2013, 11:01:56 PM
What about I-22?

Does it officially exist yet?

Regardless, it's not an answer to either question, as it hits Birmingham, but not Jackson.
FAIL
Quote from: empirestate on January 23, 2013, 11:29:05 PMIndeed there are, although such questions to me are more interesting than those to which almost every road in the nation is a viable answer.  :sleep:

This I wholeheartedly agree with.
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on January 23, 2013, 11:40:13 PM
Quote from: empirestate on January 23, 2013, 11:29:05 PM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on January 23, 2013, 11:14:33 PM
Quote from: Milepost61 on January 23, 2013, 11:04:09 PM
Quote from: empirestate on January 23, 2013, 10:11:36 PM
Conversely, which interstates connect the capitals of every state they serve? (Intra-state routes excepted, obviously!)

I-25 (Santa Fe, Denver, Cheyenne)

I-5 does as well, but I'm betting there are a scant few responses to this question.

Indeed there are, although such questions to me are more interesting than those to which almost every road in the nation is a viable answer.  :sleep:

But if you want a little more mileage, replace "capitals" with "largest cities".
I-5 passes through Los Angeles, Portland, and Seattle, the largest cities of California, Oregon, and Washington, respectively.
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: roadman65 on January 24, 2013, 12:13:26 AM
I think that empirestate listed every one of them.  There are a lot of ones within a state that do not, but in another state they do. 

I-75 does in Florida, but in neighboring Georgia it does pass through Atlanta and right near the Capitol itself.  TN, KY, OH, and MI are the same, without capitals.

I-95 in FL, GA, SC, NC, MD, DE, PA, NY, CT, MA (it does not go near Boston proper even though it services it via other freeways), and NH.

I-10 in CA, NM, TX, MS, and AL.

I would think that we should try to list which interstate passes through the most state capitals, would be interesting.
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: english si on January 24, 2013, 07:42:16 AM
Quote from: empirestate on January 23, 2013, 10:11:36 PM
Conversely, which interstates connect the capitals of every state they serve? (Intra-state routes excepted, obviously!)
Intra-state ones are still pretty rare:
I-12, I-17, I-72 (or does that cross into MO now?), I-87, I-88E (?), I-97 and I guess all the HI interstates.

Other than I-5 and I-25, I can only think of I-89 that meets the same number of state capitals as states served. I-69 used to, before the MS bit opened.
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: empirestate on January 24, 2013, 08:01:46 AM
I think I-75 deserves honorable mention, for as long as it is, serving only the one state capital.

Also I-90, for its length, and I-95, for the number of states it serves, have surprisingly low records.
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: Brandon on January 24, 2013, 09:30:12 AM
Quote from: english si on January 24, 2013, 07:42:16 AM
Quote from: empirestate on January 23, 2013, 10:11:36 PM
Conversely, which interstates connect the capitals of every state they serve? (Intra-state routes excepted, obviously!)
Intra-state ones are still pretty rare:
I-12, I-17, I-72 (or does that cross into MO now?), I-87, I-88E (?), I-97 and I guess all the HI interstates.

Other than I-5 and I-25, I can only think of I-89 that meets the same number of state capitals as states served. I-69 used to, before the MS bit opened.

I-72 does indeed cross into Missouri.  There's also I-96 which serves Lansing, MI as an intrastate interstate.
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: roadman65 on January 24, 2013, 10:53:55 PM
I-80 west of the Mississippi.  Now with I-580 serving Carson City, every state from Iowa to California has I-80 connected to their capitals. 

Interestingly enough, all states from Illinois to New Jersey, I-80 does not service their state capitals.  These are all the states that lie east of the Mississippi River.
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: corco on January 25, 2013, 02:53:34 PM
QuoteInterestingly enough, all states from Illinois to New Jersey, I-80 does not service their state capitals.  These are all the states that lie east of the Mississippi River.

Conversely, I-90 doesn't hit a state capitol until Madison, and then only serves Madison, Albany, and Boston
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: triplemultiplex on January 25, 2013, 07:31:36 PM
Quote from: empirestate on January 23, 2013, 11:29:05 PM
But if you want a little more mileage, replace "capitals" with "largest cities".

I-94 comes oh-so-close.

Montana -> Billings - close enough
North Dakota -> Fargo - check
Minnesota -> Minneapolis - check
Wisconsin -> Milwaukee - check
Illiniois -> Chicago - check
Indiana -> Indianapolis - not even close
Michigan -> Detroit - check

Pretty good for such a long interstate.
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: jp the roadgeek on January 25, 2013, 08:42:47 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 24, 2013, 12:13:26 AM

I-95 in FL, GA, SC, NC, MD, DE, PA, NY, CT, MA (it does not go near Boston proper even though it services it via other freeways), and NH.

Pretty soon, you can add NJ to the list when the PA Turnpike/I-95 interchange opens.

And one may be able to make a loose argument for I-78 serving Harrisburg.  It stops short of there, but it's a main route to there from points east (similar to I-88 E serving Albany)
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: roadman65 on January 25, 2013, 10:19:52 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on January 25, 2013, 08:42:47 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 24, 2013, 12:13:26 AM

I-95 in FL, GA, SC, NC, MD, DE, PA, NY, CT, MA (it does not go near Boston proper even though it services it via other freeways), and NH.

Pretty soon, you can add NJ to the list when the PA Turnpike/I-95 interchange opens.

And one may be able to make a loose argument for I-78 serving Harrisburg.  It stops short of there, but it's a main route to there from points east (similar to I-88 E serving Albany)
Even if I-95 is removed from the imediate Trenton area, you  still are going to have I-195 ( a loop spur of I-95) going near it.

I-78, I would say indirectly serves Harrisburg, just as I-88 to both Albany and Binghamton. 
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: empirestate on January 26, 2013, 08:55:22 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 25, 2013, 10:19:52 PM
I-78, I would say indirectly serves Harrisburg, just as I-88 to both Albany and Binghamton. 

I-88 serves Binghamton as directly as I-40 serves Little Rock, in my view. As for Albany, I'm less sure...it makes a beeline for Schenectady, which is a different city but decidedly in the Capital Area metro. I feel as though, if I would count a route to Minneapolis as not serving St. Paul, I should take the same approach for I-88 and Albany.
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: Alps on January 26, 2013, 11:02:52 AM
Quote from: empirestate on January 26, 2013, 08:55:22 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 25, 2013, 10:19:52 PM
I-78, I would say indirectly serves Harrisburg, just as I-88 to both Albany and Binghamton. 

I-88 serves Binghamton as directly as I-40 serves Little Rock, in my view. As for Albany, I'm less sure...it makes a beeline for Schenectady, which is a different city but decidedly in the Capital Area metro. I feel as though, if I would count a route to Minneapolis as not serving St. Paul, I should take the same approach for I-88 and Albany.
If you have to say "via," it doesn't serve. I-88 serves Albany "via" I-90, I-80 serves NY City "via" I-95. On the other hand, I-64 serves Frankfort, even if downtown is a couple miles away.
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: PurdueBill on January 26, 2013, 03:48:20 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 24, 2013, 12:13:26 AM
I-95 in FL, GA, SC, NC, MD, DE, PA, NY, CT, MA (it does not go near Boston proper even though it services it via other freeways), and NH.

I-95/route 128 actually does come pretty close to Boston, just not downtown.  The exit for Great Plain Ave. is only a short distance from West Roxbury. (http://goo.gl/maps/n3mD6)

Granted, most traffic headed for downtown is not going to exit there and find its way downtown, but it is possible.  I'd say that 95 does get very near Boston, but still doesn't quite touch it.
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: Speedway99 on January 29, 2013, 11:02:30 PM
Quote from: english si on January 24, 2013, 07:42:16 AM
Quote from: empirestate on January 23, 2013, 10:11:36 PM
Conversely, which interstates connect the capitals of every state they serve? (Intra-state routes excepted, obviously!)
Intra-state ones are still pretty rare:
I-12, I-17, I-72 (or does that cross into MO now?), I-87, I-88E (?), I-97 and I guess all the HI interstates.

Other than I-5 and I-25, I can only think of I-89 that meets the same number of state capitals as states served. I-69 used to, before the MS bit opened.
I think that is interesting how I-69 once served the capitals of both states, but there are no more state capitals on the extension (Though wouldn't it have gone through Little Rock had mainline 69 gone up through Texarkana?).
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: bassoon1986 on January 30, 2013, 02:33:17 PM
I-35 does this except for Missouri...Austin, OKC, Des Moines, St. Paul
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: Scott5114 on January 30, 2013, 02:58:01 PM
Quote from: bassoon1986 on January 30, 2013, 02:33:17 PM
I-35 does this except for Missouri...Austin, OKC, Des Moines, St. Paul

And Kansas...
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: Speedway99 on January 30, 2013, 04:57:12 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 30, 2013, 02:58:01 PM
Quote from: bassoon1986 on January 30, 2013, 02:33:17 PM
I-35 does this except for Missouri...Austin, OKC, Des Moines, St. Paul

And Kansas...

But I-335 goes into Topeka. I think he included it because it's a 3di from I-35. Also, I-35 goes into the largest cities in most its states.

Minnesota...Minneapolis...Check
Iowa...Des Moines...Check
Missouri...KC...Check
Kansas...Wichita...Check
Oklahoma...OKC...Check

Until...

Texas...Houston?...Not even close.
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: kphoger on January 30, 2013, 05:16:47 PM
Quote from: Speedway99 on January 30, 2013, 04:57:12 PM
But I-335 goes into Topeka. I think he included it because it's a 3di from I-35

Well, 50 miles and two counties away... !
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: Brandon on January 30, 2013, 05:37:24 PM
Quote from: Speedway99 on January 30, 2013, 04:57:12 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 30, 2013, 02:58:01 PM
Quote from: bassoon1986 on January 30, 2013, 02:33:17 PM
I-35 does this except for Missouri...Austin, OKC, Des Moines, St. Paul

And Kansas...

But I-335 goes into Topeka. I think he included it because it's a 3di from I-35. Also, I-35 goes into the largest cities in most its states.

Minnesota...Minneapolis...Check
Iowa...Des Moines...Check
Missouri...KC...Check
Kansas...Wichita...Check
Oklahoma...OKC...Check

Until...

Texas...Houston?...Not even close.

However, it does pick up Texas's largest metro area - Dallas - Fort Worth.
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: Speedway99 on January 30, 2013, 06:09:18 PM
Quote from: Brandon on January 30, 2013, 05:37:24 PM
Quote from: Speedway99 on January 30, 2013, 04:57:12 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 30, 2013, 02:58:01 PM
Quote from: bassoon1986 on January 30, 2013, 02:33:17 PM
I-35 does this except for Missouri...Austin, OKC, Des Moines, St. Paul

And Kansas...

But I-335 goes into Topeka. I think he included it because it's a 3di from I-35. Also, I-35 goes into the largest cities in most its states.

Minnesota...Minneapolis...Check
Iowa...Des Moines...Check
Missouri...KC...Check
Kansas...Wichita...Check
Oklahoma...OKC...Check

Until...

Texas...Houston?...Not even close.

However, it does pick up Texas's largest metro area - Dallas - Fort Worth.

True, and it goes through San Antonio and Austin as well, so it connects the 2nd through 5th largest cities in Texas. Pretty good for an interstate of its length.
Title: Re: Interstate Highways Without State Capitals
Post by: bassoon1986 on January 31, 2013, 12:56:02 PM
Actually I totally left out Kansas by mistake. And I thought they were just going for capital cities instead of largest cities, hence why I listed Austin. But 35 picks up most of these.

I-40 picks up many state capitals as well. But still misses TX, AZ, and CA
I-80 serves most of its western capital cities until it crosses Illinois

I-89 and I-93 both serve their 2 capital cities, that is if you count Concord, NH as served by I-89