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Title: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: Alps on March 05, 2012, 09:13:35 PM
A thread on Canroads inspired this. What freeways run parallel on both sides of a river for more than a couple of miles? (I wouldn't count their example of A-50 and ON 417, because the 417 gets a bit too far from the river.)

Macro scale:
* I-95 in PA, I-295 in NJ, Delaware River
* A-30 / A-40 in QC northeast of Montreal, St. Lawrence River
* A-20 / A-40 in QC near Quebec City, St. Lawrence River

Micro scale:
* Loop 375 in El Paso is across the Rio Grande from the new Mexican border freeway (if it's a true freeway - might just be a boulevard?)
* I-278/I-87 and FDR Drive/Harlem River Drive, Harlem/East River (starting at Ward Island really)

Not quite:
* Storrow Drive / Memorial Drive, Boston - Memorial Drive is a parkway, but nothing close to a freeway.
* Fant and Teague Parkways, Shreveport - not freeways, but I'd say expressways
* CA 54 EB and WB, San Diego - too much of a special case
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: Kacie Jane on March 05, 2012, 09:18:15 PM
For either the macro scale or not quite category: I-84 and WA 14.

It would be a perfect example, but unfortunately I-84 doesn't get right on the Columbia until just after the freeway portion of SR 14 ends.
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: UptownRoadGeek on March 05, 2012, 09:37:20 PM
São Paulo, http://maps.google.com/?ll=-23.53393,-46.689835&spn=0.088449,0.169086&t=h&z=13

Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: NE2 on March 05, 2012, 10:28:29 PM
Your San Diego example of a river in the median has a much longer sibling across the border in Tijuana. (And the Sao Paulo example above.) This seems common in not only developing countries but also Europe (e.g. Madrid, with much of it recently covered). I suppose the U.S. went with the option of demolishing homes rather than parks.
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: J N Winkler on March 06, 2012, 03:36:46 AM
The watercourses-in-the-median approach is especially common in Spain (at least one example in Valencia, and another example currently under construction in Murcia unless that has been suspended), but not unknown in the US--I-135 in Wichita (locally called the Canal Route) is one example.
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: national highway 1 on March 06, 2012, 05:55:36 AM
Not necessarily a river, but US 101 and I-880 on either side of San Francisco Bay.
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: Brandon on March 06, 2012, 06:33:00 AM
Stevenson Expressway (I-55), Chicago.  Parallels the Des Plaines River, Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal, and the South Branch of the Chicago River from west of First Avenue (IL-171) to the Dan Ryan Expressway (I-90/94).
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: Mapmikey on March 06, 2012, 06:41:35 AM
--US 11-15 and US 22-322 briefly
--George Washington Pkwy and Clara Barton Pkwy along Potomac River


Mapmikey
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: cooperrhall on March 08, 2012, 01:41:21 PM
OH-7 and WV-2 run parallel as a freeway on either side of the Ohio River for a bit outside of Wheeling. Also, this doesn't quite make the cut, but US-23 and US-52 do the same thing between Portsmouth, OH and Huntington, WV. The drawback of this is that US-52 has some freeway patches and US-23 is only a divided highway.
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: kphoger on March 09, 2012, 03:43:47 PM
Av. Constitución / Av. Morones Prieto
Monterrey, N.L.

These two freeways flank the Santa Catarina river for 13 miles.
http://g.co/maps/vutzf (http://g.co/maps/vutzf)
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: achilles765 on March 09, 2012, 05:27:39 PM
Not a river, but here in Houston between downtown and the 610 Loop, Memorial Drive and Allen Parkway run parallel on either side of Buffalo Bayou.  And back in New Orleans, Veteran's Blvd features a canal in the median.
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: roadman65 on March 24, 2012, 09:44:52 PM
NJ 21 between Newark and its northern terminus parallels the Passaic River.
The Henry Hudson Parkway in NYC is on the eastern shore of the Hudson River.
I-80 for 4 miles parallels the Delaware River in Knowlton Township, NJ.
I-190 in Buffalo, NY along the Niagara River.  Then downstream is the Robert Moses Parkway along the same waterway.
The Western Spur of the NJ Turnpike follows closely the Hackensack River.
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: Alps on March 25, 2012, 09:39:41 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 24, 2012, 09:44:52 PM
NJ 21 between Newark and its northern terminus parallels the Passaic River.
The Henry Hudson Parkway in NYC is on the eastern shore of the Hudson River.
I-80 for 4 miles parallels the Delaware River in Knowlton Township, NJ.
I-190 in Buffalo, NY along the Niagara River.  Then downstream is the Robert Moses Parkway along the same waterway.
The Western Spur of the NJ Turnpike follows closely the Hackensack River.
None of those fit this thread. As I stated, I want parallel freeways on both sides of the river.
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: roadman65 on March 27, 2012, 08:23:00 PM
Quote from: Steve on March 25, 2012, 09:39:41 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 24, 2012, 09:44:52 PM
NJ 21 between Newark and its northern terminus parallels the Passaic River.
The Henry Hudson Parkway in NYC is on the eastern shore of the Hudson River.
I-80 for 4 miles parallels the Delaware River in Knowlton Township, NJ.
I-190 in Buffalo, NY along the Niagara River.  Then downstream is the Robert Moses Parkway along the same waterway.
The Western Spur of the NJ Turnpike follows closely the Hackensack River.
None of those fit this thread. As I stated, I want parallel freeways on both sides of the river.

The Henry Hudson does for part anyway.  Remember the Palisades Parkway on the NJ side, especially north of the GWB.  It maybe high on a cliff, but it still is close to the river and at the Rockefeller Overlook you see the Henry Hudson Bridge directly across into NY.
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: Occidental Tourist on May 17, 2012, 11:05:26 AM
I-5 and WA 599/99 along the Duwamish in Seattle.
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: sp_redelectric on May 18, 2012, 12:51:39 AM
Does I-5/I-405 in Portland count...I-405 is "more than a couple miles", at 4.25 miles, with the Willamette River in the middle (and each freeway crossing the Willamette once - the I-405 at the northern end of the loop on the Fremont Bridge; I-5 at the southern end over the Marquam).

But otherwise I'd have to go with Kacie Jane's example of I-84 and SR 14.
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: OCGuy81 on May 18, 2012, 10:02:50 AM
What about I-279 in Pittsburgh?  If you cross the Allegheny, isn't the 10th Street Bypass (Ft Duquense Blvd?) a limited access road?
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: froggie on May 18, 2012, 11:43:55 AM
Parts of I-91 and US 5 on either side of the Connecticut River in Springfield, MA could arguably be included.

Also arguable would be I-90 and US 53 north of La Crosse, WI.  I-90 briefly follows the MN side while US 53 follows the WI side.

If MnDOT ever gets enough money, a future one would be I-94 and US 10 between the Twin Cities and St. Cloud, MN.
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: mgk920 on May 18, 2012, 11:55:56 AM
A similar one, but using a state line rather than a river, would be US 71 (I-49) in Missouri and US 69 in Kansas.

Mike
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: kphoger on May 18, 2012, 02:16:01 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on May 18, 2012, 11:55:56 AM
A similar one, but using a state line rather than a river, would be US 71 (I-49) in Missouri and US 69 in Kansas.

Mike

????????

They never get within five miles of each other, do they?  (until 69 crosses into Missouri, that is)
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: mcdonaat on May 18, 2012, 05:22:30 PM
Similar one is the Clyde Fant Parkway opposite the Teague Parkway in Shreveport/Bossier
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: KEVIN_224 on May 18, 2012, 07:25:07 PM
Quote from: froggie on May 18, 2012, 11:43:55 AM
Parts of I-91 and US 5 on either side of the Connecticut River in Springfield, MA could arguably be included.

I see that US Route 5 is right by the Connecticut River, a short distance north of the Agawam/West Springfield town line. It stays that way for a distance after you've passed under the rotary on the West Springfield side of the Memorial Bridge. The US Route 5 intersection with I-91 in West Springfield is where this all but ends. At least I'm pretty certain on that one.  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: KEK Inc. on May 19, 2012, 04:33:57 PM
Is there a river between the Legacy Pkwy and I-15? 

Sort of a stretch, but I-780 and CA-4 at the Carquinez Strait. 
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: golden eagle on May 19, 2012, 06:42:10 PM
MS-1 follows closely with the Mississippi River in the Delta.

I-55 through Jackson and southern Hinds County does come within a mile or two of the Pearl River starting at around MS-25. 55 also parallels the Big Black River in Yazoo and Holmes County until the highway curves more northward towards Grenada.
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: mgk920 on May 19, 2012, 09:54:54 PM
Although one of them is not a freeway, howabout I-90 v. NY 5S east of Utica, NY?

Mike
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: vdeane on May 19, 2012, 11:57:56 PM
As far as I know, NY 5S is a freeway most of the way from Utica to Herkimer.
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: mgk920 on May 20, 2012, 12:48:30 AM
Quote from: deanej on May 19, 2012, 11:57:56 PM
As far as I know, NY 5S is a freeway most of the way from Utica to Herkimer.

True, but I-90 is a tollway.

Mike

















DUCKS and RUNS!!!!!

(hehehehe)

:spin:
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: mapman1071 on May 20, 2012, 11:49:04 PM
I-87 & Harlem River Parkway
Henry Hudson Parkway & Palisades Parkway
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: froggie on May 21, 2012, 08:13:55 AM
Part of NY 5S is freeway, so yes.
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: Mr_Northside on May 21, 2012, 03:25:07 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 18, 2012, 10:02:50 AM
What about I-279 in Pittsburgh?  If you cross the Allegheny, isn't the 10th Street Bypass (Ft Duquense Blvd?) a limited access road?

I-279 is only parallel for about a mile.
Neither Ft. Duquesne Blvd or the 10th St. Bypass are freeways.

Rt. 28, if it hasn't already been mentioned, does mostly parallel the Allegheny River for quite some distance.  (Sometimes very closely, sometimes a little further away)
Title: Re: Parallel freeways, river style
Post by: mightyace on May 23, 2012, 08:07:52 PM
Near Milton, PA, US 15 is a freeway for a few miles north and south of I-80 on the west side of the West Branch of the Susquehanna River.  On the ease side you have the freeway that is PA 147 south of I-80 and I-180 north of it.