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Started by webny99, June 02, 2017, 10:38:45 AM

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Scott5114

Quote from: kkt on June 12, 2017, 02:04:35 PM
Quote from: vdeane on June 10, 2017, 06:55:41 PM
Why would they want to give up their livelihood?  Being bought out is only a one-time windfall, at the expense of their home and job, essentially.  I wouldn't consider a one-time large sum to be a substitute for a steady income.

Farming is usually not a well-paid occupation, especially for small farmers.  Taking a windfall and investing it wisely could often provide a bigger and more reliable income.  It might be enough to retire, or just work a full-time job instead of 18x7 like farming.


You also might be able to take the proceeds and buy a new farm further out from the city for less than what you sold for.
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empirestate

Quote from: ParrDa on October 04, 2017, 09:39:46 PM
In upstate NY (excluding NYC metro), Amherst, at 122,000, is the only suburb in the top five. Should current trends continue, Greece will surpass the city of Albany within a decade or so.

But only in lists where MCDs and incorporated places are commingled.

CNGL-Leudimin

I think no suburb beats Sarriguren near Pamplona, Spain. In just 10 years (from 2005 to 2015) its population went from 5 to 13,000. No, I didn't mean to say 5,000, but 5 (yes, five) :sombrero:.
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jakeroot

Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on October 05, 2017, 12:21:34 PM
I think no suburb beats Sarriguren near Pamplona, Spain. In just 10 years (from 2005 to 2015) its population went from 5 to 13,000. No, I didn't mean to say 5,000, but 5 (yes, five) :sombrero:.

That's insane. I'm not sure any city has seen a 3000% increase in population in ten years, although most cities don't start from a population of 5.

hotdogPi

#79
Quote from: ParrDa on October 05, 2017, 10:39:06 PM
Quote from: empirestate on October 05, 2017, 01:03:26 AM
Quote from: ParrDa on October 04, 2017, 09:39:46 PM
In upstate NY (excluding NYC metro), Amherst, at 122,000, is the only suburb in the top five. Should current trends continue, Greece will surpass the city of Albany within a decade or so.

But only in lists where MCDs and incorporated places are commingled.

What other type of list is there?  :confused:

If you want the population of, say, Amherst without Williamsville, you have to do the math yourself, at least, AFAIK. If you can prove otherwise, do speak up.

Most lists exclude unincorporated places, which is why lists of largest cities don't include Hempstead, NY in the list, even if they do include incorporated towns. (For some reason, New York's towns don't seem to be considered incorporated, at least for the purposes of population ranking.)
Clinched, minus I-93 (I'm missing a few miles and my file is incorrect)

Traveled, plus US 13, 44, and 50, and several state routes

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vdeane

Quote from: 1 on October 06, 2017, 06:21:19 AM
(For some reason, New York's towns don't seem to be considered incorporated, at least for the purposes of population ranking.)
My guess is because everything in NY is incorporated.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

JJBers

Quote from: vdeane on October 06, 2017, 01:33:02 PM
Quote from: 1 on October 06, 2017, 06:21:19 AM
(For some reason, New York's towns don't seem to be considered incorporated, at least for the purposes of population ranking.)
My guess is because everything in NY is incorporated.
Ohh, you wish. Every single inch of land in Southern New England is fully incorporated. Not some fake "Oh we 99.9% of our land incorporated", we have 100%.
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jwolfer

Quote from: JJBers on October 06, 2017, 11:13:51 PM
Quote from: vdeane on October 06, 2017, 01:33:02 PM
Quote from: 1 on October 06, 2017, 06:21:19 AM
(For some reason, New York's towns don't seem to be considered incorporated, at least for the purposes of population ranking.)
My guess is because everything in NY is incorporated.
Ohh, you wish. Every single inch of land in Southern New England is fully incorporated. Not some fake "Oh we 99.9% of our land incorporated", we have 100%.
New Jersey is 100% Incorporated

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vdeane

Quote from: JJBers on October 06, 2017, 11:13:51 PM
Quote from: vdeane on October 06, 2017, 01:33:02 PM
Quote from: 1 on October 06, 2017, 06:21:19 AM
(For some reason, New York's towns don't seem to be considered incorporated, at least for the purposes of population ranking.)
My guess is because everything in NY is incorporated.
Ohh, you wish. Every single inch of land in Southern New England is fully incorporated. Not some fake "Oh we 99.9% of our land incorporated", we have 100%.
What part of NY do you think is not incorporated?
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

empirestate

Quote from: ParrDa on October 05, 2017, 10:39:06 PM
Quote from: empirestate on October 05, 2017, 01:03:26 AM
Quote from: ParrDa on October 04, 2017, 09:39:46 PM
In upstate NY (excluding NYC metro), Amherst, at 122,000, is the only suburb in the top five. Should current trends continue, Greece will surpass the city of Albany within a decade or so.

But only in lists where MCDs and incorporated places are commingled.

What other type of list is there?  :confused:

A Census listing, most importantly (as they're the ones who actually tabulate the population). The two types of entities are treated quite differently, with incorporated places being tabulated together with unincorporated ones (CDPs), while towns (such as Amherst and Greece) are county subdivisions.

QuoteIf you want the population of, say, Amherst without Williamsville, you have to do the math yourself, at least, AFAIK. If you can prove otherwise, do speak up.

I don't know that I can prove otherwise, although I also don't know why the need would arise.

Quote from: ParrDa on October 06, 2017, 08:10:12 PM
Quote from: vdeane on October 06, 2017, 01:33:02 PM
Quote from: 1 on October 06, 2017, 06:21:19 AM
(For some reason, New York's towns don't seem to be considered incorporated, at least for the purposes of population ranking.)
My guess is because everything in NY is incorporated.
This.  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:

Well, yes. And no. In New York, the term "incorporated" is generally reserved for corporate-type municipalities (cities and villages, in this case) but not used when referring to county divisions (i.e., towns). That's despite the fact that the towns are, indeed, organized entities with administrative functions and governments, which can often be described as "incorporated" in contexts outside of the state (such as New England).

Quote from: vdeane on October 07, 2017, 10:32:08 PM
What part of NY do you think is not incorporated?

Other than the semantics of incorporation regarding towns, there are the Indian territories. They're legally outside of any town government (even though some maps do show town boundaries within them). However, part of the Allegany Reservation is within the city of Salamanca, so that's definitely incorporated territory, by anyone's definition.

inkyatari

#85
About ten years ago, Plainfield, IL was the 6th or 7th fastest growing suburb in the US.

https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/2007/07/16/suburbs-growth-housing-forbeslife-cx_mw_0716realestate.html&refURL=https://www.google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/

Having gone to high school in Plainfield, it's really hard to recognize the town.  Obviously new high school since the 1990 F5 tornado, but even the downtown area just is weird going through these days.

Getting old sucks.
I'm never wrong, just wildly inaccurate.

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Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on October 05, 2017, 12:21:34 PM
I think no suburb beats Sarriguren near Pamplona, Spain. In just 10 years (from 2005 to 2015) its population went from 5 to 13,000. No, I didn't mean to say 5,000, but 5 (yes, five) :sombrero:.

One of the winners in this category in the US might be Vineyard, UT. It was a little farming town west of Provo with a population of 139 at the 2010 census. But since then it has become a suburb and population has exploded. Its estimated population as of 2017 is 8,000, which is a 5655% growth.

Desert Man

Quote from: roadguy2 on October 18, 2017, 06:33:30 PM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on October 05, 2017, 12:21:34 PM
I think no suburb beats Sarriguren near Pamplona, Spain. In just 10 years (from 2005 to 2015) its population went from 5 to 13,000. No, I didn't mean to say 5,000, but 5 (yes, five) :sombrero:.

One of the winners in this category in the US might be Vineyard, UT. It was a little farming town west of Provo with a population of 139 at the 2010 census. But since then it has become a suburb and population has exploded. Its estimated population as of 2017 is 8,000, which is a 5655% growth.

And Californians moving to UT wanted a less urban place, but the Salt Lake city metro area extends north to Ogden or Brigham City, and south to Provo (Utah county) or Nephi (in supposedly rural Juab county). On the north and west shores of Utah Lake, farmland became part of the suburban sprawl of nearby Orem-Provo area (nearby towns of Lehi and American Fork) and Salt Lake county to the north. The southern half of Utah county remains not so built up, despite growth in Spanish Fork and Payson which now has the LDS church temple for the area's 80+ % Mormon (church member or cultural) majority. 
Get your kicks...on Route 99! Like to turn 66 upside down. The other historic Main street of America.

Brandon

Quote from: inkyatari on October 10, 2017, 02:09:09 PM
About ten years ago, Plainfield, IL was the 6th or 7th fastest growing suburb in the US.

https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/2007/07/16/suburbs-growth-housing-forbeslife-cx_mw_0716realestate.html&refURL=https://www.google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/

Having gone to high school in Plainfield, it's really hard to recognize the town.  Obviously new high school since the 1990 F5 tornado, but even the downtown area just is weird going through these days.

Getting old sucks.

As does driving through downtown Plainfield at rush hour.  The southwest 'burbs are still the fastest growing areas in the state.  In fact, as of the last census estimates, Will, Kendall, and Grundy Counties were still the fastest growing in the state, and a shrinking state at that.
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inkyatari

Quote from: Brandon on December 08, 2017, 01:41:28 PM
  In fact, as of the last census estimates, Will, Kendall, and Grundy Counties were still the fastest growing in the state, and a shrinking state at that.

Living in Grundy as I do, I never would have guessed that.
I'm never wrong, just wildly inaccurate.

kphoger

Quote from: inkyatari on October 10, 2017, 02:09:09 PM
About ten years ago, Plainfield, IL was the 6th or 7th fastest growing suburb in the US.

https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/2007/07/16/suburbs-growth-housing-forbeslife-cx_mw_0716realestate.html&refURL=https://www.google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/

Having gone to high school in Plainfield, it's really hard to recognize the town.  Obviously new high school since the 1990 F5 tornado, but even the downtown area just is weird going through these days.

Getting old sucks.






Quote from: roadguy2 on October 18, 2017, 06:33:30 PM
One of the winners in this category in the US might be Vineyard, UT. It was a little farming town west of Provo with a population of 139 at the 2010 census. But since then it has become a suburb and population has exploded. Its estimated population as of 2017 is 8,000, which is a 5655% growth.

Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
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kphoger

Quote from: inkyatari on December 08, 2017, 03:13:49 PM
Quote from: Brandon on December 08, 2017, 01:41:28 PM
  In fact, as of the last census estimates, Will, Kendall, and Grundy Counties were still the fastest growing in the state, and a shrinking state at that.

Living in Grundy as I do, I never would have guessed that.

Grundy County has basically plateaued since 2010.  Kendall County slowed down around then too, but...

Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

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Road Hog

Quote from: empirestate on June 22, 2017, 09:01:18 PM
An interesting tangent is suggested by this topic, along with the 2016 population estimates thread: in which states is a suburban municipality its second-largest? Are there any states yet where the largest municipality is a suburb? If not, which is likely to be first?
For many years North Little Rock, Ark. was the second-biggest city in the state, the ultimate suburb. It got passed by Fort Smith in the 1960s and by several other cities since.

Scott5114

Quote from: empirestate on June 22, 2017, 09:01:18 PM
An interesting tangent is suggested by this topic, along with the 2016 population estimates thread: in which states is a suburban municipality its second-largest? Are there any states yet where the largest municipality is a suburb? If not, which is likely to be first?

Oklahoma may count, depending on if you consider Norman a suburb of OKC (I don't).
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ColossalBlocks

Any suburb of St Louis.

But they probably won't expand past Highway M in Barnhart.
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hotdogPi

I found a list of the top 1000 cities (38k+). This includes growth from 2000-2016 (not 2010-2016 as you would expect). The listing of which major city they are a suburb of was done manually, without using any formal definitions, and may be arguable.

Top growth rates on the list (growth is 2000-2016, population numbers are for 2016):

Maricopa, AZ (Phoenix, 2583%, 47k)
Little Elm, TX (DFW, 842%, 43k)
Buckeye, AZ (Phoenix, 562%, 65k)
Kyle, TX (Austin, 552%, 39k)
Leandar, TX (Austin, 406%, 43k, not recognized by spellcheck)
Frisco, TX (DFW, 364%, 164k)
Surprise, AZ (Phoenix, 310%, 133k)
Lincoln, CA (Sacramento, 300%, 47k)
Beaumont, CA (Inland Empire, 297%, 45k)
Goodyear, AZ (Phoenix, 293%, 77k)
Plainfield, IL (Chicago, 212%, 43k)
Lehi, UT (Provo, 211%, 61k)
McKinney, TX (DFW, 208%, 172k)
Wake Forest, NC (Raleigh-Durham, 207%, 40k)
Wylie, TX (DFW, 205%, 47k)
Marana, AZ (Tucson, 202%, 43k)

Number of suburbs between 100% and 200% growth:
Atlanta: 1
Austin: 3
Bay Area: 1
Boise: 1
Cape Coral FL: 1
Charlotte: 2
Dallas-Fort Worth: 4
Denver: 3
Des Moines: 1
Gold Coast (Miami area): 3
Houston: 2
Indianapolis: 2
Kennewick-Pasco WA: 1
Las Vegas: 1
Orlando: 2
Palm Coast: 1
Phoenix: 3
Raleigh-Durham: 1
Sacramento: 1
Salt Lake City: 1
Seattle: 1
Springdale AR: 1
Temecula-Murrieta CA (is this a separate area?): 4
Tucson: 1

There were also 5 cities on the list that incorporated after 2000 and therefore didn't have growth rate values.
Clinched, minus I-93 (I'm missing a few miles and my file is incorrect)

Traveled, plus US 13, 44, and 50, and several state routes

I will be in Burlington VT for the eclipse.

inkyatari

Quote from: kphoger on December 08, 2017, 03:37:14 PM
Quote from: inkyatari on October 10, 2017, 02:09:09 PM
About ten years ago, Plainfield, IL was the 6th or 7th fastest growing suburb in the US.

https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/2007/07/16/suburbs-growth-housing-forbeslife-cx_mw_0716realestate.html&refURL=https://www.google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/

Having gone to high school in Plainfield, it's really hard to recognize the town.  Obviously new high school since the 1990 F5 tornado, but even the downtown area just is weird going through these days.

Getting old sucks.






Quote from: roadguy2 on October 18, 2017, 06:33:30 PM
One of the winners in this category in the US might be Vineyard, UT. It was a little farming town west of Provo with a population of 139 at the 2010 census. But since then it has become a suburb and population has exploded. Its estimated population as of 2017 is 8,000, which is a 5655% growth.



I remember when my little Plainfield was 5,000 or so people, and they were trying to keep fast food joints out because they didn't want kids hanging out there.
I'm never wrong, just wildly inaccurate.

Desert Man

#97
20-22 million people live in the 10 southern CA counties, within 150-180 miles radius, from Los Angeles. Included are the metro areas of San Diego near the Mexican border (Tijuana, Baja California - its capital Mexicali), Santa Barbara right on the Pacific coast, Riverside further inland, and Bakersfield, which is in the Central (San Joaquin) Valley.

I do know the 5 least populated places in CA, all in the desert, I like to mention here.

1. Essex (8-10 people year-round, 25-29 in the winter) on former US route 66, San Bernardino county. You have hardly any residents in the East Mojave National Preserve.
2. Vidal (30-35 people) on US route 95, San Bernardino county, not far from Colorado River. Not to be confused with Vidal Junction. Riverside county is a few miles south. 
3. Lake Tamarisk (formerly Desert Center-125 people-205 in winter) off I-10, Riverside county. Known for an abandoned cafe and a post office surrounded by a few mobile homes. 95% live in the one square mile country club with golfing and an artificial lake built in the 1960s. 
4. Coachella's one square mile Augustine Indian Reservation on former US route 99/CA SR 86 (5 people, all tribal members related to grandmother/mother Mary Ann Parker, the family owns and operates a casino). Nearby is the area's oldest public school (Coachella Valley High School, opened in 1910, mascot: Arabs - but student body is 95% Latino).   
and 5. East Blythe (before annexation by Blythe: ONE person), off I-10 on US route 95, Riverside county, near the Colorado River. There used to be more residents, but the river was navigable until the 1950s, when you have no boats coming in, there's less travelers.

Ghost towns include Hell (on former US 60-70) known for mild winter temperatures and 90sF average highs due to elevation (2000 feet) in Riverside county, Eagle Mountain in Riverside county (abandoned in the 1980s due to the closure of the Kaiser company mine - only thing remain is a small K-12 grade public school for Lake Tamarisk's 35 children), Bagdad and Siberia, and Amboy (all 3 on former US route 66) - in the year 2000, it had 33 residents, all work for a company salt mine near the Amboy Crater (extinct volcano) in San Bernardino county.
Get your kicks...on Route 99! Like to turn 66 upside down. The other historic Main street of America.

Desert Man

#98
Quote from: 1 on December 09, 2017, 01:42:56 PM
I found a list of the top 1000 cities (38k+). This includes growth from 2000-2016 (not 2010-2016 as you would expect). The listing of which major city they are a suburb of was done manually, without using any formal definitions, and may be arguable.

Top growth rates on the list (growth is 2000-2016, population numbers are for 2016):

Maricopa, AZ (Phoenix, 2583%, 47k)
Little Elm, TX (DFW, 842%, 43k)
Buckeye, AZ (Phoenix, 562%, 65k)
Kyle, TX (Austin, 552%, 39k)
Leandar, TX (Austin, 406%, 43k, not recognized by spellcheck)
Frisco, TX (DFW, 364%, 164k)
Surprise, AZ (Phoenix, 310%, 133k)
Lincoln, CA (Sacramento, 300%, 47k)
Beaumont, CA (Inland Empire, 297%, 45k)
Goodyear, AZ (Phoenix, 293%, 77k)
Plainfield, IL (Chicago, 212%, 43k)
Lehi, UT (Provo, 211%, 61k)
McKinney, TX (DFW, 208%, 172k)
Wake Forest, NC (Raleigh-Durham, 207%, 40k)
Wylie, TX (DFW, 205%, 47k)
Marana, AZ (Tucson, 202%, 43k)

Number of suburbs between 100% and 200% growth:
Atlanta: 1
Austin: 3
Bay Area: 1
Boise: 1
Cape Coral FL: 1
Charlotte: 2
Dallas-Fort Worth: 4
Denver: 3
Des Moines: 1
Gold Coast (Miami area): 3
Houston: 2
Indianapolis: 2
Kennewick-Pasco WA: 1
Las Vegas: 1
Orlando: 2
Palm Coast: 1
Phoenix: 3
Raleigh-Durham: 1
Sacramento: 1
Salt Lake City: 1
Seattle: 1
Springdale AR: 1
Temecula-Murrieta CA (is this a separate area?): 4 - Actually Riverside-San Bernardino, but closer to San Diego than L.A. - Desert Man
Tucson: 1

There were also 5 cities on the list that incorporated after 2000 and therefore didn't have growth rate values.

Maricopa, AZ was reportedly home to 112,000 people - may be as a result of winter seasonal residents. All 10 largest cities in the Phoenix Metro area - actually 9 in April and 8 in the summer. Tucson has to be 2nd largest enough, amirite? and Surprise! It's bigger than Yuma in summer, but not in the winter. Phoenix and its suburbs: Mesa is #3, then (in alphabetical order): Chandler, Gilbert, Glendale, Peoria, Scottsdale, Surprise and Tempe. The other 9 cities (12-20th, all under 100k people) in Arizona: Bullhead City, Kingman and Lake Havasu City in Mohave county; Flagstaff, Prescott and Sedona in Northern half of the state; and Casa Grande, Globe (I think Apache Junction is bigger) and Nogales in southern half. And up to 100,000 winter residents in their RVs in Quartzsite 30 miles from the Colorado River (CA-AZ state line).
Get your kicks...on Route 99! Like to turn 66 upside down. The other historic Main street of America.

silverback1065

Quote from: Desert Man on December 18, 2017, 02:18:48 AM
Quote from: 1 on December 09, 2017, 01:42:56 PM
I found a list of the top 1000 cities (38k+). This includes growth from 2000-2016 (not 2010-2016 as you would expect). The listing of which major city they are a suburb of was done manually, without using any formal definitions, and may be arguable.

Top growth rates on the list (growth is 2000-2016, population numbers are for 2016):

Maricopa, AZ (Phoenix, 2583%, 47k)
Little Elm, TX (DFW, 842%, 43k)
Buckeye, AZ (Phoenix, 562%, 65k)
Kyle, TX (Austin, 552%, 39k)
Leandar, TX (Austin, 406%, 43k, not recognized by spellcheck)
Frisco, TX (DFW, 364%, 164k)
Surprise, AZ (Phoenix, 310%, 133k)
Lincoln, CA (Sacramento, 300%, 47k)
Beaumont, CA (Inland Empire, 297%, 45k)
Goodyear, AZ (Phoenix, 293%, 77k)
Plainfield, IL (Chicago, 212%, 43k)
Lehi, UT (Provo, 211%, 61k)
McKinney, TX (DFW, 208%, 172k)
Wake Forest, NC (Raleigh-Durham, 207%, 40k)
Wylie, TX (DFW, 205%, 47k)
Marana, AZ (Tucson, 202%, 43k)

Number of suburbs between 100% and 200% growth:
Atlanta: 1
Austin: 3
Bay Area: 1
Boise: 1
Cape Coral FL: 1
Charlotte: 2
Dallas-Fort Worth: 4
Denver: 3
Des Moines: 1
Gold Coast (Miami area): 3
Houston: 2
Indianapolis: 2
Kennewick-Pasco WA: 1
Las Vegas: 1
Orlando: 2
Palm Coast: 1
Phoenix: 3
Raleigh-Durham: 1
Sacramento: 1
Salt Lake City: 1
Seattle: 1
Springdale AR: 1
Temecula-Murrieta CA (is this a separate area?): 4 - Actually Riverside-San Bernardino, but closer to San Diego than L.A. - Desert Man
Tucson: 1

There were also 5 cities on the list that incorporated after 2000 and therefore didn't have growth rate values.

Maricopa, AZ was reportedly home to 112,000 people - may be as a result of winter seasonal residents. All 10 largest cities in the Phoenix Metro area - actually 9 in April and 8 in the summer. Tucson has to be 2nd largest enough, amirite? and Surprise! It's bigger than Yuma in summer, but not in the winter. Phoenix and its suburbs: Mesa is #3, then (in alphabetical order): Chandler, Gilbert, Glendale, Peoria, Scottsdale, Surprise and Tempe. The other 9 cities (12-20th, all under 100k people) in Arizona: Bullhead City, Kingman and Lake Havasu City in Mohave county; Flagstaff, Prescott and Sedona in Northern half of the state; and Casa Grande, Globe (I think Apache Junction is bigger) and Nogales in southern half. And up to 100,000 winter residents in their RVs in Quartzsite 30 miles from the Colorado River (CA-AZ state line).

all those cities will have massive water problems in the future



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