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Construction on US 220 north of I-80 - UPDATE 10/14

Started by CentralPAGal, August 30, 2013, 04:44:07 PM

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CentralPAGal

Work begins on Route 220/Auction Road project

The stretch of roadway in question is a 2 lane stretch south of Lock Haven, just a few miles north of I-80. This is the only at grade intersection on this stretch, and it appears that it will be bridged. Has anyone heard anything about this? Possibly related to the whole I-99 saga?

It would be interesting to see whether they plan for another set of lanes in a future expansion.
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jpi

Based on the following from the article-

"Phase Two of the project will build the bridge and ramps on the western side of Route 220, adjacent to the Clinton County Fairgrounds. Phase Two is expected to begin in 2014. "

It soulds like this could be an early phase of I-99 upgradeing, I believe this part of 220 is built as a super 2 so it sounds as if they could be building the south bound carriage way. Been several years since I was in this part of PA.
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briantroutman

This section of 220 is not what most roadgeeks consider a "super 2". I always took a super 2 to be two lanes (one carriageway) built on freeway right of way that leaves space for another carriageway to be built later. A perfect central PA example would be the old two-lane section of PA 147 from Milton to Montandon that was upgraded to four lanes about 10 years ago.

But in the grander scheme, adding an interchange at that at-grade intersection is one small link in a much larger and more expensive chain. To make a continuous freeway, the interchange with I-80 will need to be upgraded to at least a trumpet if not a full four-way semi-directional or directional, and they'll need to grade and construct another carriageway from I-80 to Mill Hall. But the bigger and more costly problem is the roughly six miles between Jersey Shore and Williamsport that need to be constructed–including probably a couple of interchanges.

Honestly if there were enough Central PA transportation dollars to do all of that, I'd much rather see them go to the CSVT.

froggie

#3
QuoteThis section of 220 is not what most roadgeeks consider a "super 2". I always took a super 2 to be two lanes (one carriageway) built on freeway right of way that leaves space for another carriageway to be built later.

"Super-2" is not necessarily controlled-access.  Limited-access roads built to high standards, with no private access but intersections at intersecting public roads instead of grade separation are also called "Super-2", and are specifically labeled as such by some state DOTs.  A "super-2" also does not necessarily have a 4-lane right-of-way either.

QuoteTo make a continuous freeway, the interchange with I-80 will need to be upgraded to at least a trumpet if not a full four-way semi-directional or directional

Or just add a couple of flyovers.  I don't recall the exact topography at the interchange site, but it doesn't necessarily need a full interchange rebuild.  Desirable, perhaps, but not necessary.

amroad17

If PennDOT wants to build the flyovers at exit 178, they will have to take out parts of two hills south of the interchange.  I can see how it can be feasible. 
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CentralPAGal

Quote from: briantroutman on September 01, 2013, 12:51:02 AM
Honestly if there were enough Central PA transportation dollars to do all of that, I'd much rather see them go to the CSVT.

Seconded. Having been through Shamokin Dam several times, and seeing the amount of traffic, I very much agree that this should have a higher priority.  Heck, I think US 11/15 should be upgraded to completely limited access down to US 22/322, but that's not going to happen. Apparently, the CSVT almost got funding this summer, but the failure to pass a transportation bill seems to have shelved the project again.

Back on topic...
As for this section of the I-99 corridor, I doubt the several miles just west of Williamsport will be redone. I have seen plans for it however, but I cannot remember where I found them.

At least along the section where they're working on this bridge/intersection, there appears to be a right of way almost down to I-80. The I-80 interchange is another matter though.
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CentralPAGal

#6
The second phase of the US 220/Auction rd project has started. The first part was building ramps on the east side of 220, the next part will be ramps on the west side and a bridge carrying 220 over Auction Rd.

http://www.lockhaven.com/page/content.detail/id/560193/Second-phase-of-Route-220-project-begins-this-week.html

The previous portion was finished in April. Unless they were waiting for funding, I wonder why they waited till October to start this part.
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US: 1, 9, 11, 13, 15, 22, 25, 30, 40, 42, 50, 113, 119, 127, 209, 220, 222, 301

Mr_Northside

While looking to see if this was done / completed pictures/ whatnot, I found this article from last October about it wrapping up:

http://wnep.com/2015/10/28/penndot-reveals-new-layout-at-dangerous-intersection

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The Ghostbuster

I assume the Interstate 80 interchange will remain a diamond for some time to come.

CobaltYoshi27

I do believe this is related to I-99. Long term plans call for it to go South to Cumberland, MD and north to I-86 in NY or even Rochester. Considering I-99 pretty much overlaps US 220, I think it's related.
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hbelkins

Quote from: CobaltYoshi27 on March 04, 2016, 04:48:48 PM
I do believe this is related to I-99. Long term plans call for it to go South to Cumberland, MD and north to I-86 in NY or even Rochester. Considering I-99 pretty much overlaps US 220, I think it's related.

Plans to extend it south of Bedford, Pa., have been permanently scrapped. The APD money that was to be spent on that section has been diverted to another project in Pennsylvania.


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CobaltYoshi27

Quote from: hbelkins on March 04, 2016, 10:10:38 PM
Quote from: CobaltYoshi27 on March 04, 2016, 04:48:48 PM
I do believe this is related to I-99. Long term plans call for it to go South to Cumberland, MD and north to I-86 in NY or even Rochester. Considering I-99 pretty much overlaps US 220, I think it's related.

Plans to extend it south of Bedford, Pa., have been permanently scrapped. The APD money that was to be spent on that section has been diverted to another project in Pennsylvania.

I never heard that the plan was permanently scrapped. I heard that it wouldn't happen for a long time: until they connect the current I-99 with I-86, but I didn't think it was permanent.
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AMLNet49

It definitely looks like a preemptive move that would precede building another carriageway. However, they probably wouldn't consider that part until this project is over.

ixnay

Quote from: hbelkins on March 04, 2016, 10:10:38 PM
Quote from: CobaltYoshi27 on March 04, 2016, 04:48:48 PM
I do believe this is related to I-99. Long term plans call for it to go South to Cumberland, MD and north to I-86 in NY or even Rochester. Considering I-99 pretty much overlaps US 220, I think it's related.

Plans to extend it south of Bedford, Pa., have been permanently scrapped. The APD money that was to be spent on that section has been diverted to another project in Pennsylvania.

That project being...?

ixnay

P.S.  What's the status of Maryland's portion of I-99?
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ARMOURERERIC

IIRC the moneyu was sent to the US 11/15 freeway work/Susquehenna River Bridge up at Shamokin Dam

hbelkins

Actually, I thought it was diverted to a portion of US 322. I know there have been links posted here before, but I'm not motivated enough to find them.


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CentralPAGal

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Quote from: hbelkins on March 05, 2016, 10:40:39 PM
Actually, I thought it was diverted to a portion of US 322. I know there have been links posted here before, but I'm not motivated enough to find them.

Pretty sure it was this. The US 15/PA 147 bypass project is funded with gas tax revenue from Act 89.

Edit: The US 322 project in question was probably either the Lewistown Narrows (c 2004-2006), or the Dauphin Bypass (c 1998-2000). Not 100% certain, but probably the former.
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US: 1, 9, 11, 13, 15, 22, 25, 30, 40, 42, 50, 113, 119, 127, 209, 220, 222, 301

dave19

I thought it was diverted to a new road roughly paralleling US 322 from Woodland to Post Matilda, bypassing Philipsburg. Since 322 was moved to a new alignment through Philipsburg some time ago, I think the rest of the "Corridor O-1" plans have been shelved.

noelbotevera

Quote from: dave19 on March 06, 2016, 01:58:14 PM
I thought it was diverted to a new road roughly paralleling US 322 from Woodland to Post Matilda, bypassing Philipsburg. Since 322 was moved to a new alignment through Philipsburg some time ago, I think the rest of the "Corridor O-1" plans have been shelved.
That was in 2007. The Lewistown Narrows was 2008. So either the money was diverted earlier or they changed their mind.

CobaltYoshi27

Quote from: noelbotevera on March 06, 2016, 02:04:25 PM
Quote from: dave19 on March 06, 2016, 01:58:14 PM
I thought it was diverted to a new road roughly paralleling US 322 from Woodland to Post Matilda, bypassing Philipsburg. Since 322 was moved to a new alignment through Philipsburg some time ago, I think the rest of the "Corridor O-1" plans have been shelved.
That was in 2007. The Lewistown Narrows was 2008. So either the money was diverted earlier or they changed their mind.

Which is a shame, because Cumberland is a pretty big town in Maryland in need of commerce, and I-99 would help it tremendously.
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NE2

I think the money was moved first to O-1 (US 322 west of US 220), then in 2010 to P-1 (US 11-15). None of which means I-99 won't be extended south with other funding sources. I bet the two-lane US 220 works just fine though.
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CobaltYoshi27

Quote from: NE2 on March 06, 2016, 03:49:32 PM
I think the money was moved first to O-1 (US 322 west of US 220), then in 2010 to P-1 (US 11-15). None of which means I-99 won't be extended south with other funding sources. I bet the two-lane US 220 works just fine though.

It probably does, but I still think a 4-lane highway would be better for the area. I do understand there are environmental costs.
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Rothman

Quote from: CobaltYoshi27 on March 06, 2016, 03:18:17 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on March 06, 2016, 02:04:25 PM
Quote from: dave19 on March 06, 2016, 01:58:14 PM
I thought it was diverted to a new road roughly paralleling US 322 from Woodland to Post Matilda, bypassing Philipsburg. Since 322 was moved to a new alignment through Philipsburg some time ago, I think the rest of the "Corridor O-1" plans have been shelved.
That was in 2007. The Lewistown Narrows was 2008. So either the money was diverted earlier or they changed their mind.

Which is a shame, because Cumberland is a pretty big town in Maryland in need of commerce, and I-99 would help it tremendously.

If there's any evidence that interstate highways on their own do not generate economic activity, one needs to look no further than Binghamton, NY.  Economically depressed despite what will be three interstates serving the "city."
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

Bitmapped

Quote from: CobaltYoshi27 on March 06, 2016, 04:34:29 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 06, 2016, 03:49:32 PM
I think the money was moved first to O-1 (US 322 west of US 220), then in 2010 to P-1 (US 11-15). None of which means I-99 won't be extended south with other funding sources. I bet the two-lane US 220 works just fine though.

It probably does, but I still think a 4-lane highway would be better for the area. I do understand there are environmental costs.

US 220 could benefit from some occasional passing lanes, but it's a high speed 2-lane alignment south of Bedford and traffic generally flows above the speed limit already. 4-lanes, especially for a freeway, wouldn't serve much purpose.

US 11/15 near Shamokin Dam will benefit greatly from a new road, but an upgraded Corridor O-1 (US 322 from I-80 to I-99) would have helped a lot, too.

CobaltYoshi27

Quote from: Rothman on March 08, 2016, 05:35:41 PM
Quote from: CobaltYoshi27 on March 06, 2016, 03:18:17 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on March 06, 2016, 02:04:25 PM
Quote from: dave19 on March 06, 2016, 01:58:14 PM
I thought it was diverted to a new road roughly paralleling US 322 from Woodland to Post Matilda, bypassing Philipsburg. Since 322 was moved to a new alignment through Philipsburg some time ago, I think the rest of the "Corridor O-1" plans have been shelved.
That was in 2007. The Lewistown Narrows was 2008. So either the money was diverted earlier or they changed their mind.

Which is a shame, because Cumberland is a pretty big town in Maryland in need of commerce, and I-99 would help it tremendously.

If there's any evidence that interstate highways on their own do not generate economic activity, one needs to look no further than Binghamton, NY.  Economically depressed despite what will be three interstates serving the "city."

That's because a major company in Binghamton went bankrupt, just like Rochester.
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