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Started by Brandon, December 26, 2013, 05:42:59 PM

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logan230

Three signs to advertise WV 230 NB in a row:




JJBers

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logan230

Quote from: JJBers on July 24, 2017, 07:03:09 PM
That's normal...
Even in the second image? There are two WV 230 NB signs not a few feet from each other.

csw

My guess is there were just the standard two originally, but people were still having trouble missing the turn, so they added the third.

Jet380

Just in case the big green sign with a big arrow on it doesn't get your attention...

hotdogPi

No left or U turn, written in two different ways by <name removed>, on Flickr

No left turn or U-turn, shown in two different ways for the same intersection. MA 16 east, Everett, MA.
Clinched, minus I-93 (I'm missing a few miles and my file is incorrect)

Traveled, plus US 13, 44, and 50, and several state routes

I will be in Burlington VT for the eclipse.

Great Lakes Roads

Really Florida, Really? You need THREE "Right Lane Exit Only" signs within a half a mile of the next interchange...
On FL-293 in Niceville.

Street View:
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.4665455,-86.4103026,3a,30y,68.37h,88.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEvTxIC_JlWwfhOIw6OE6Ig!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

jbnv

Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 02, 2017, 06:45:55 PM
Really Florida, Really? You need THREE "Right Lane Exit Only" signs within a half a mile of the next interchange...
On FL-293 in Niceville.

But how nice(ville) of them to make sure that you get the message.
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jakeroot

Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 02, 2017, 06:45:55 PM
Really Florida, Really? You need THREE "Right Lane Exit Only" signs within a half a mile of the next interchange...
On FL-293 in Niceville.

Street View:
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.4665455,-86.4103026,3a,30y,68.37h,88.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEvTxIC_JlWwfhOIw6OE6Ig!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

White-on-green too. Should be black-on-white. Or maybe black-on-yellow, since freeways, apparently, use different colors to convey regulatory messages.

Brian556

Quote from: jakeroot on September 03, 2017, 10:45:40 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 02, 2017, 06:45:55 PM
Really Florida, Really? You need THREE "Right Lane Exit Only" signs within a half a mile of the next interchange...
On FL-293 in Niceville.

Street View:
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.4665455,-86.4103026,3a,30y,68.37h,88.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEvTxIC_JlWwfhOIw6OE6Ig!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

White-on-green too. Should be black-on-white. Or maybe black-on-yellow, since freeways, apparently, use different colors to convey regulatory messages.

Usually Florida is better than that.

roadfro

Quote from: jakeroot on September 03, 2017, 10:45:40 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 02, 2017, 06:45:55 PM
Really Florida, Really? You need THREE "Right Lane Exit Only" signs within a half a mile of the next interchange...
On FL-293 in Niceville.

Street View:
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.4665455,-86.4103026,3a,30y,68.37h,88.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEvTxIC_JlWwfhOIw6OE6Ig!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

White-on-green too. Should be black-on-white. Or maybe black-on-yellow, since freeways, apparently, use different colors to convey regulatory messages.

"Exit Only" isn't technically a regulatory message–it's a warning. There is a black-on-white "Right Lane Must Exit" sign available for use on expressway/freeway facilities that agencies can use if  it's deemed necessary to establish a regulation.
Roadfro - AARoads Pacific Southwest moderator since 2010, Nevada roadgeek since 1983.

jakeroot

#461
Quote from: roadfro on September 03, 2017, 01:22:57 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on September 03, 2017, 10:45:40 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 02, 2017, 06:45:55 PM
Really Florida, Really? You need THREE "Right Lane Exit Only" signs within a half a mile of the next interchange...
On FL-293 in Niceville.

Street View:
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.4665455,-86.4103026,3a,30y,68.37h,88.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEvTxIC_JlWwfhOIw6OE6Ig!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

White-on-green too. Should be black-on-white. Or maybe black-on-yellow, since freeways, apparently, use different colors to convey regulatory messages.

"Exit Only" isn't technically a regulatory message–it's a warning. There is a black-on-white "Right Lane Must Exit" sign available for use on expressway/freeway facilities that agencies can use if  it's deemed necessary to establish a regulation.

I don't get it. All regulatory messages are inherently warning messages. Explain to me why the signs below are anything different...they are all warnings of impending "shall" movements, after all (much like the "EXIT ONLY" message).

FWIW, the signs below are all standard signs that I see across the Seattle area.

EDIT: Before you say something like "these signs establish regulation" (which, IMO, an "EXIT ONLY" sign also does), also explain why APLs are required to have yellow "EXIT ONLY" banners.






bzakharin

I've only seen "right lane must exit" signs on non-freeways, and only if there isn't already an overhead with an "exit only" sign.

roadfro

Quote from: jakeroot on September 03, 2017, 04:04:48 PM
Quote from: roadfro on September 03, 2017, 01:22:57 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on September 03, 2017, 10:45:40 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 02, 2017, 06:45:55 PM
Really Florida, Really? You need THREE "Right Lane Exit Only" signs within a half a mile of the next interchange...
On FL-293 in Niceville.

Street View:
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.4665455,-86.4103026,3a,30y,68.37h,88.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEvTxIC_JlWwfhOIw6OE6Ig!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

White-on-green too. Should be black-on-white. Or maybe black-on-yellow, since freeways, apparently, use different colors to convey regulatory messages.

"Exit Only" isn't technically a regulatory message–it's a warning. There is a black-on-white "Right Lane Must Exit" sign available for use on expressway/freeway facilities that agencies can use if  it's deemed necessary to establish a regulation.

I don't get it. All regulatory messages are inherently warning messages. Explain to me why the signs below are anything different...they are all warnings of impending "shall" movements, after all (much like the "EXIT ONLY" message).

FWIW, the signs below are all standard signs that I see across the Seattle area.

EDIT: Before you say something like "these signs establish regulation" (which, IMO, an "EXIT ONLY" sign also does), also explain why APLs are required to have yellow "EXIT ONLY" banners.

I would not consider "all regulatory messages are inherently warning messages" to be an accurate statement. Black-on-white regulatory signs such as "No parking" or "Speed Limit 55" or "Slow vehicles must use turnout" are not warnings, but rather establish something that the driver must do or comply with. However, black-on-yellow warning signs are used to inform/warn drivers of conditions that may not be readily apparent–winding curves, lane merge, stop ahead, pedestrian crossing, etc.–and are not necessarily something that must be complied with. Hence, under normal circumstances, why you can be cited for not adhering to a speed limit sign (regulatory) but generally can not be cited for exceeding an advisory speed (warning).

The "exit only" placards are black-on-yellow as a warning that a particular lane exits ahead or at that point. It doesn't establish a regulation that you must exit. I would surmise that before different lane marking patterns for auxiliary and drop lanes became recommended/required, an exit only panel would have been the only way to have advance notice of such a condition. Now that we do have dashed lines versus the broken (normal) lane line, there are other context clues. 

That's me just speculating though. I will grant you that it does seem to be a bit of a gray area with exit only, especially in the context of other guide and lane assignment strategies... (And I don't have a good explanation for why exit only panels are required on APL signs other than a hunch "we've always signed it this way" sort of response.)


BTW: The combo guide/lane assignment signs you've pictured here aren't MUTCD standard. There is a combination lane-use/destination sign that was introduced in the 2009 MUTCD. The combo signs are meant to be an individual sign per lane, and aren't allowed to be used for a lane with optional movements. So, your first example is nonconforming (which could be remedied with white on green arrows), but the next two are in that spirit.
Roadfro - AARoads Pacific Southwest moderator since 2010, Nevada roadgeek since 1983.

Mergingtraffic

I only take pics of good looking signs. Long live non-reflective button copy!
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bzakharin

Quote from: Mergingtraffic on September 10, 2017, 07:03:03 PM

This is doubly true since there isn't really an NJ Turnpike North here. That, of course, does stop this nonsense at the other end of the Turnpike:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6840173,-75.4821417,3a,75y,120.16h,76.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbaQ8LqA2EyPoBID1J_JTIA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
And please don't tell me it's the Delaware Turnpike they're referring to

jakeroot


jakeroot


doorknob60

This signage is new at 12th St. and Front St in Boise, ID


thenetwork

The NO LEFT/NO THRU sign also belongs in the Worst of Signs thread...

jeffandnicole

Quote from: thenetwork on March 08, 2018, 03:37:08 PM
The NO LEFT/NO THRU sign also belongs in the Worst of Signs thread...

And the overhead sign on the surface street BGS thread.

doorknob60

Funny thing is this is what it looked like when GSV passed through in August 2017:



So since then (probably prompted by the driveway across the street opening), they installed both that symbolic no straight/left sign and a "No Right Turn" sign...okay then. The one way sign is slightly redundant too, though that alone doesn't prohibit going straight.

MNHighwayMan

Quote from: doorknob60 on March 08, 2018, 06:35:00 PM
So since then (probably prompted by the driveway across the street opening), they installed both that symbolic no straight/left sign and a "No Right Turn" sign...okay then.

Your funny typo reminds me of this:


doorknob60

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on March 08, 2018, 08:02:04 PM
Quote from: doorknob60 on March 08, 2018, 06:35:00 PM
So since then (probably prompted by the driveway across the street opening), they installed both that symbolic no straight/left sign and a "No Right Turn" sign...okay then.

Your funny typo reminds me of this:



Ha, oops. I'll leave it in for shits and giggles :P

Worth noting it's not in the picture, but there is actually also at least one standard DO NOT ENTER sign on the driveway across the street, even more redundant!

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