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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #150 on: April 17, 2017, 09:46:16 PM »

Huh, so NCDOT plans on adding two-more double-3di concurrencies to the system (785/840 and 587/795) in addition to Ohio's 271/480 concurrency.

Yep. It's the only way I-785 and I-795 can connect with their parents.

I suppose for 785 they could upgrade things in Greensboro and route 785 directly down 29 and Business 85.
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #151 on: April 17, 2017, 10:46:34 PM »

Huh, so NCDOT plans on adding two-more double-3di concurrencies to the system (785/840 and 587/795) in addition to Ohio's 271/480 concurrency.

Yep. It's the only way I-785 and I-795 can connect with their parents.

I suppose for 785 they could upgrade things in Greensboro and route 785 directly down 29 and Business 85.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe that was the original plan in the 1990's (I-85 was concurrent with I-40 then) but that changed when upgrading US-29 through Greensboro to interstate standards was deemed not feasible due to the expense and impact of such an upgrade. So, the decision was made to throw I-785 onto the Greensboro Urban Loop instead.
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #152 on: April 21, 2017, 01:01:08 AM »

None of you would happen to be responsible for this, would you?
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #153 on: April 21, 2017, 09:40:36 AM »

None of you would happen to be responsible for this, would you?

It wasn't me! LOL
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #154 on: April 21, 2017, 12:10:56 PM »

None of you would happen to be responsible for this, would you?


Nah, it's fake news.
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #155 on: April 21, 2017, 02:05:49 PM »

Must be CNN
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #156 on: April 21, 2017, 02:38:11 PM »

Must be CNN
Nah.  This is the Realm of FOX.
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #157 on: April 21, 2017, 02:54:27 PM »

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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #158 on: May 12, 2017, 09:12:56 PM »

I was inside the Greenville AAA yesterday and overheard a conversation between an AAA employee and a woman who visited looking for a TripTik. The employee said that "you need to take Interstate 587/US 264..." and the women interrupted by saying "why did they change the number?" The employee responded "I don't know and I don't understand why they did...it has been 264 for as long as I remember".
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #159 on: May 12, 2017, 10:27:21 PM »

I was inside the Greenville AAA yesterday and overheard a conversation between an AAA employee and a woman who visited looking for a TripTik. The employee said that "you need to take Interstate 587/US 264..." and the women interrupted by saying "why did they change the number?" The employee responded "I don't know and I don't understand why they did...it has been 264 for as long as I remember".

Question:  since 587 has yet to be actually posted (apparently there's quite a few "future" roadside signs), WTF is an AAA employee doing referring to the route?  It shouldn't be on AAA maps at this point; maybe it's showing up on Google and this person's just using that as reference (?!?!?).  Doubtful that the AAA person is a Greensboro enthusiast who's jumping the gun a bit for the sake of pride! 

To the AAA customer: 264's still there; it's probably not going to go away for some time.  Drive it, use it, abuse it, it'll be around.  The AAA person's just being a bit premature; the new Interstate number is (for the time being) an add-on, not a replacement. 
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #160 on: May 13, 2017, 09:45:03 AM »

I was inside the Greenville AAA yesterday and overheard a conversation between an AAA employee and a woman who visited looking for a TripTik. The employee said that "you need to take Interstate 587/US 264..." and the women interrupted by saying "why did they change the number?" The employee responded "I don't know and I don't understand why they did...it has been 264 for as long as I remember".

Question:  since 587 has yet to be actually posted (apparently there's quite a few "future" roadside signs), WTF is an AAA employee doing referring to the route?  It shouldn't be on AAA maps at this point; maybe it's showing up on Google and this person's just using that as reference (?!?!?).  Doubtful that the AAA person is a Greensboro enthusiast who's jumping the gun a bit for the sake of pride!

That person likely looked at Google Maps, since Google has been labeling US-264 as I-587 for nearly a month now. It probably didn't occur to the employee the possibility that Google could've (and did) jump the gun with I-587. Hell, I-587 is labeled on US-264's northern bypass of Greenville between Exit 73 and Exit 80 (US-13) and that's not even part of Future I-587's corridor!

But even at that, it shouldn't take much effort for most locals (especially someone who works for AAA of all places :pan:) in Greenville to venture onto US-264 to verify whether or not I-587 shields have been posted. The first reassurance sign past Exit 73 heading East should be all it takes, if not the overhead BGS at that interchange.
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #161 on: May 13, 2017, 12:59:38 PM »

The AAA employee probably should have said "future Interstate 587," or just called it US 264.
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #162 on: June 29, 2017, 04:25:09 PM »

The real question is: Why the heck does NC need so many interstates? I guess they want every freeway to be an interstate; if that's so, I can completely understand.

Not every freeway in NC is planned to become an interstate. There are plenty of freeways in the state without I-shields.

NCDOT usually doesn't seek an interstate designation unless there is strong support for it at the local level. Greenville & Pitt County have been practically screaming for US-264's upgrade since 2012. They didn't get anywhere then because they had virtually no support from the surrounding counties, who were more focused on upgrading US-70 to a freeway between I-40 near Garner and Morehead City, though an interstate designation for US-70 was not planned at the time. Most of the counties along the US-70 corridor also carried a lot of political weight in the state legislature.

So, Greenville mayor Allen Thomas met with Kinston mayor BJ Murphy in early 2013 and came up with the "Quad East" interstate(s) idea. It was a "I scratch your back, you scratch my back" kinda deal. Fast forward to 2016 and I-42, I-87, and now I-587 are born. The squeaky wheel gets the grease...

http://wnct.com/2016/08/09/how-quad-east-could-connect-four-of-eastern-carolinas-metro-areas/

There's also another possible future interstate in the works, which would make up the last part of the Quad East interstate system. It was originally planned to run from US-70/Future I-42 in Kinston to Greenville using the CF Harvey Parkway and NC-11, but that has now been expanded to include a connection to US-64/Future I-87 in Bethel by following US-13 north of Greenville, which would give Greenville and the Global TransPark in Kinston interstate access to the Hampton Roads metro in Virginia. The Eastern North Carolina Gateway Act was introduced in Congress in September that would make it federal law if passed. I expect they'll re-introduce the bill next year. If it passes, it'll probably be attached to a much larger transportation bill, similar to how I-42, I-87 and I-795's extension got tacked onto the FAST Act.

https://www.tillis.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?id=2DBB05EF-83DE-4581-AF64-392AC9547DB9

NC 11 upgrade to interstate from future NC 148 and SW Greenville Bypass is on the 2018 STIP...

construction to start 2027...
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #163 on: June 29, 2017, 08:07:59 PM »

NC 11 upgrade to interstate from future NC 148 and SW Greenville Bypass is on the 2018 STIP...

construction to start 2027...

Looks like Kinston and Greenville are getting their wish. That leaves upgrading the remainder of NC-148, US-264 between Exit 73 and US-13, and US-13 between US-264 and US-64. The NC-148 extension will be built to interstate standards, as will the Greenville SW Bypass.

As far as I know, the idea is still alive and well among Kinston and Greenville officials, but there hasn't been much talk about it lately, nor has there been mention of having the Eastern NC Gateway Act re-introduced in Congress. Half of the Gateway Act has been rendered useless anyway since US-264 was included and has already become Future I-587 without the bill's passage. The only part of the bill that would have any effect is the NC-11/US-13 "Gateway Corridor".

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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #164 on: August 18, 2017, 02:06:31 PM »

I forgot to mention earlier, but other than the section that is concurrent with I-795 in Wilson (listed as Interstate maintenance), none of US-264 was included in NCDOT's final 2018-2027 STIP.
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #165 on: August 18, 2017, 04:48:32 PM »

I forgot to mention earlier, but other than the section that is concurrent with I-795 in Wilson (listed as Interstate maintenance), none of US-264 was included in NCDOT's final 2018-2027 STIP.

Not particularly surprising; although not fully Interstate standard, it's a functioning freeway, so NCDOT isn't prioritizing it right now just so shields can be erected in the near term.  But they've been known to advance project schedules from time to time, so what's in the STIP may not be the final word re scheduled upgrades. 
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #166 on: August 18, 2017, 06:11:24 PM »

I forgot to mention earlier, but other than the section that is concurrent with I-795 in Wilson (listed as Interstate maintenance), none of US-264 was included in NCDOT's final 2018-2027 STIP.

Not particularly surprising; although not fully Interstate standard, it's a functioning freeway, so NCDOT isn't prioritizing it right now just so shields can be erected in the near term.

I wasn't surprised, either. Other than the lack of wide shoulders outside of Wilson County, there really aren't any safety issues on US-264 to speak of, which makes it very difficult for US-264 to score well against other nearby major corridors such as US-70 and US-117, which have a lot of safety issues and carries more traffic.

I think US-264 will score better once the worst parts of US-70 and US-117 have been taken care of.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2017, 03:22:53 AM by LM117 »
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #167 on: August 21, 2017, 03:41:20 PM »

I don't know if anyone has noticed, but Google Maps has removed the 587 marker from the US 264 freeway. Interstate 87 is still marked along US 64 from Interstate 440 to Interstate 95.
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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #168 on: September 13, 2017, 02:51:15 AM »

I don't know if anyone has noticed, but Google Maps has removed the 587 marker from the US 264 freeway. Interstate 87 is still marked along US 64 from Interstate 440 to Interstate 95.

However, just spotted that somebody added it to OSM (I-587 that is).  :banghead:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/49019040

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Re: Future Interstate 587 (Zebulon-Greenville)
« Reply #169 on: September 13, 2017, 08:28:42 AM »

I fixed it. They also showed it going around the Greenville Bypass (which it doesn't), and there were neither fut_ref tags nor a relation for the future route.
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