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Which remaing Northeast 65 state is most likely to raise their speed limit.

Started by dvferyance, July 25, 2017, 06:29:29 PM

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jeffandnicole

Quote from: ixnay on August 06, 2017, 08:09:41 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 05, 2017, 09:05:03 AM
Quote from: ixnay on August 05, 2017, 08:56:05 AM
Quote from: ekt8750 on July 26, 2017, 11:50:37 AMI-95 (outside of Wilmington) ... should be 70 MPH.

How about 95 through Wilmington?

ixnay

There was once an old sign on 95 north of Wilmington where a 5 was posted over a 0, signifying the speed limit was *increased* from 50 to 55 on 95 in the Wilmington area!

I meant what *should* 95's speed limit be through Wilmington city?

ixnay

That was getting at that 55 is probably appropriate. Maybe 60 outside the downtown area.


ekt8750

Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 06, 2017, 09:43:26 AM
Quote from: ixnay on August 06, 2017, 08:09:41 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 05, 2017, 09:05:03 AM
Quote from: ixnay on August 05, 2017, 08:56:05 AM
Quote from: ekt8750 on July 26, 2017, 11:50:37 AMI-95 (outside of Wilmington) ... should be 70 MPH.

How about 95 through Wilmington?

ixnay

There was once an old sign on 95 north of Wilmington where a 5 was posted over a 0, signifying the speed limit was *increased* from 50 to 55 on 95 in the Wilmington area!

I meant what *should* 95's speed limit be through Wilmington city?

ixnay

That was getting at that 55 is probably appropriate. Maybe 60 outside the downtown area.

Mmmhmmm. The state line to 202 segment could handle 60-65.

Also while technically not a state, they control quite a bit of highway miles in the Philadelphia area, I don't see anything in DRPA territory being raised over their magic 45 MPH limit. Not so long as they continue to hemorrhage money the way they do.

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Quote from: jp the roadgeek on July 28, 2017, 06:23:40 PM
Quote from: Brandon on July 28, 2017, 05:46:43 PM
Quote from: 02 Park Ave on July 25, 2017, 06:58:54 PM
I would think that VT could raise their speed limit.  NY could also do it in many "Upstate" areas.  The other states are too congested.

Congestion is not an excuse for a lower speed limit.

Quote from: froggie on July 26, 2017, 09:15:34 AM
This may be the case amongst the older locals, but not everybody.  I would also venture a guess that one reason why Vermont keeps it at 65 is to reduce the speed differential.  We have *A LOT* of up and down grade changes, which makes it hell on the trucks.

Somehow Colorado and Utah manage just fine.

A few stretches that are currently 65 in New England (excluding Maine) and New York State that I could see going to 70:

I-84 from east of Exit 65 in CT to Exit 2 in MA
I-87 Thruway Exit 16-23, then Northway Exit 9 to the Canadian border except through Plattsburgh
I-89 entire length except through White River Junction and the Burlington area
I-90 on Thruway except for Lackawanna-Williamsville and from 25A to 24. Free 90 east of the Hudson. Berkshire Spur and Mass Pike west of I-84.

I-91 from Exit 20 in MA to the Canadian border except through White River Junction
I-95 from Exit 88 in CT to Exit 9 in RI. Then all of MA except 128 portion
I-195 east of New Bedford
I-295 from Exit 3 in RI to Exit 1 in MA
I-384 east of Exit 1 to the end
I-395 in CT north of Exit 13 to the Mass Pike.


Stretches that are currently 55 that should go to 65:

I-84 in CT from Exit 25A-33, then Exit 36-41
CT 8 from the Merritt Parkway to Exit 25
US 7 from I-84 to end of expressway
LIE East of Exit 40
NY 27 east of Heckscher Parkway
Taconic Parkway north of I-84
I-93 portion in NH just north of the MA border.

Connecticut considered 75 in a bill once, but that was quickly killed.  We were the last Eastern state to adopt 65, and at the speed our legislature moves (except to raise taxes and spend like drunken sailors) and some of the ludicrously low speeds on secondary roads (25 on a couple of state highways not in downtown areas), we'll be the last to raise above 65.

You don't think the area inside of the Lackawanna-Williamsville barrier should be 65?
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jeffandnicole

Quote from: ekt8750 on August 06, 2017, 10:23:23 PM
Also while technically not a state, they control quite a bit of highway miles in the Philadelphia area, I don't see anything in DRPA territory being raised over their magic 45 MPH limit. Not so long as they continue to hemorrhage money the way they do.

As irritating as it is, I really don't see them doing much speed enforcement, with generally high allowances.  It does suck that it's a constant worry, but traffic moving at 60-65 on 76 doesn't appeared to be bothered, and keeping it under 60 on 322 and 90 appears to be fine as well.

Also, I don't think the DRPA is hemorrhaging money at all...especially since they cut out funding every politician's pet project.  The toll rate of $5 has been consistent for several years now.

ekt8750

Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 07, 2017, 02:11:53 PM
Quote from: ekt8750 on August 06, 2017, 10:23:23 PM
Also while technically not a state, they control quite a bit of highway miles in the Philadelphia area, I don't see anything in DRPA territory being raised over their magic 45 MPH limit. Not so long as they continue to hemorrhage money the way they do.

As irritating as it is, I really don't see them doing much speed enforcement, with generally high allowances.  It does suck that it's a constant worry, but traffic moving at 60-65 on 76 doesn't appeared to be bothered, and keeping it under 60 on 322 and 90 appears to be fine as well.

Also, I don't think the DRPA is hemorrhaging money at all...especially since they cut out funding every politician's pet project.  The toll rate of $5 has been consistent for several years now.

They will for the most part let you cruise up to 60 but any more than that, they'll come and get you. I go back and forth over the Walt at least twice a week and I always see at least one car pulled over on the Jersey side at the foot of the bridge.

Brandon

Quote from: Roadsguy on August 02, 2017, 11:36:18 PM
I think that if the PA Turnpike can be 70, pretty much anything can be 70, or at least 65, as long as the exits aren't too dense.

Which is a different issue altogether.  Some of those exits along I-95 in Connecticut should just be closed off.  You don't need that kind of exit density.
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I think VT and NY would be next in line for 70, because those are less urbanized than the others mentioned (save the part around NYC and Long Island).
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jp the roadgeek

Quote from: shadyjay on August 06, 2017, 08:45:24 AM
And no... the Wilbur Cross shouldn't be anything higher than 55, despite the fact that noone goes that speed.

Definitely not the Merritt portion of the parkway, but I think the stretch north of the West Rock Tunnel can handle 60
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shadyjay

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on August 08, 2017, 12:46:18 PM
Definitely not the Merritt portion of the parkway, but I think the stretch north of the West Rock Tunnel can handle 60

Let's not forget, there are still several on and offramps, even on the WCP, that lack substantial acceleration/decelleration lanes.  Stop signs still control entering traffic at several exits including 62-NB, 63, 65-NB-but not for long, plus the DOT maintenance garage ramps to/from Miller St in Meriden.  If the ramps were improved, then yes, I could see 60. 

roadman65

I think the Garden State Parkway should be 60 mph from Exit 129 to Exit 140 and from 145 to 165 and then 65 up to the Line.  (Of course I am not aware of the 65 to 55 change point, but I know its somewhere around Paramus.) I want to say its the Passack Valley Plaza, but it could be at Exit 165 or even Route 17 now.
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jp the roadgeek

Quote from: roadman65 on August 10, 2017, 06:58:31 PM
I think the Garden State Parkway should be 60 mph from Exit 129 to Exit 140 and from 145 to 165 and then 65 up to the Line.  (Of course I am not aware of the 65 to 55 change point, but I know its somewhere around Paramus.) I want to say its the Passack Valley Plaza, but it could be at Exit 165 or even Route 17 now.

Pretty sure it's at Route 17
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roadman65

If NJ did what OK did with their 75 zones and make their 70 zones on roads where the interchanges are sparsely separated, they could have only the Turnpike be at 70.  However that means the ACE could not be posted at 70 mph being its interchanges are not as far apart to make that law work.

Though the NJ Turnpike from Exit 9 southward would be an excellent candidate for a 70 mph posting IMHO.
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NJRoadfan

Most of the NJ Turnpike can easily be signed 70mph due to it being so straight and flat. Once the widening work is done, the Garden State Parkway should be good for a 70mph zone from Exit 41 to Exit 80 and maybe Exit 0 to Exit 25. The Atlantic City area exits get congested enough to keep the speed limit as-is.

roadman65

Another candidate for 70 mph is I-80 from Exit 4 in Knowlton to the US 206 North exit near Stanhope as the exits there are very sparsely separated.  Only two really as they are CR 521 and CR 517 plus the two overlooks and if the two parking areas are still open that, but nothing too congesting the road between Columbia and Netcong.
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cpzilliacus

Quote from: NJRoadfan on August 12, 2017, 12:26:33 PM
Most of the NJ Turnpike can easily be signed 70mph due to it being so straight and flat.

Looking for America on the New Jersey Turnpike said that when the original Turnpike was designed and engineered in the late 1940's and early 1950's, the design speed was 80 MPH (which  I  believe), at least south of the "urban" part of the Turnpike (then), perhaps around Exit 10.

South of Exit 10, much of the Pike could (and should) have a posted limit of 80 MPH, or maybe 75.
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Alps

Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 20, 2017, 08:50:47 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on August 12, 2017, 12:26:33 PM
Most of the NJ Turnpike can easily be signed 70mph due to it being so straight and flat.

Looking for America on the New Jersey Turnpike said that when the original Turnpike was designed and engineered in the late 1940's and early 1950's, the design speed was 80 MPH (which  I  believe), at least south of the "urban" part of the Turnpike (then), perhaps around Exit 10.

South of Exit 10, much of the Pike could (and should) have a posted limit of 80 MPH, or maybe 75.
The design speed is generally 10 mph over the posted speed.

EricJV95

Quote from: roadman65 on August 10, 2017, 06:58:31 PM
I think the Garden State Parkway should be 60 mph from Exit 129 to Exit 140 and from 145 to 165 and then 65 up to the Line.  (Of course I am not aware of the 65 to 55 change point, but I know its somewhere around Paramus.) I want to say its the Passack Valley Plaza, but it could be at Exit 165 or even Route 17 now.
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relaxok

If I'm not mistaken, the portion of I-95 in Maine from Bangor to the Canadian border (~130 miles) has the least traffic (cars-per-day) of any stretch of the interstate system - dropping down to about 2000 cars per day around Houlton.  I just checked some street view shots on google maps and it's only 65 mph??

cl94

Quote from: relaxok on September 05, 2017, 10:04:17 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the portion of I-95 in Maine from Bangor to the Canadian border (~130 miles) has the least traffic (cars-per-day) of any stretch of the interstate system - dropping down to about 2000 cars per day around Houlton.  I just checked some street view shots on google maps and it's only 65 mph??

No, it's 75 mph from Old Town to near US 1 in Houlton. I can confirm that with a bad cell phone picture. GSV is from before the change. It is the least-trafficked section of a 2DI in the system. I think I-180 IL has lower counts.

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froggie

^^ Per 2012 traffic volumes submitted to the FHWA (latest year where I have a national dataset), here are the 5 least-used segments of the Interstate system:

- I-15 at the Canadian border (just *SLIGHTLY* beats out I-95)
- I-95 in Houlton, ME (I believe it's slightly lower now than in 2012)
- I-15 south of Sunburst, MT
- I-89 at the Canadian border
- I-91 at the Canadian border

Overall, I-15 MT has a longer segment of sub-2000 volumes than I-95 ME does.  I-95 west of US 1/Houlton, ME is close to 5,000 AADT.

All of these are listed as an AADT of 2,100 or less.  The lightest segment of I-180 IL has just over 2,200 AADT.

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IIRC, that northern stretch of I-95 was originally constructed as a Super-2 freeway.
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jp the roadgeek

Quote from: froggie on September 06, 2017, 08:53:13 AM
^^ Per 2012 traffic volumes submitted to the FHWA (latest year where I have a national dataset), here are the 5 least-used segments of the Interstate system:

- I-15 at the Canadian border (just *SLIGHTLY* beats out I-95)
- I-95 in Houlton, ME (I believe it's slightly lower now than in 2012)
- I-15 south of Sunburst, MT
- I-89 at the Canadian border
- I-91 at the Canadian border

Overall, I-15 MT has a longer segment of sub-2000 volumes than I-95 ME does.  I-95 west of US 1/Houlton, ME is close to 5,000 AADT.

All of these are listed as an AADT of 2,100 or less.  The lightest segment of I-180 IL has just over 2,200 AADT.

I-89 will gain some traffic when (and if) Quebec gets it together and finishes A-35.
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froggie

QuoteIIRC, that northern stretch of I-95 was originally constructed as a Super-2 freeway.

As was the northern 100 miles or so of I-95 in Maine (though I've heard it widened out to 4 lanes at interchanges).   I-91 in Derby, VT was also initially built as a Super-2.



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