US routes ending at seemingly random locations

Started by bugo, July 31, 2017, 06:07:53 AM

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theline

Quote from: Flint1979 on August 09, 2017, 12:00:05 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on July 31, 2017, 03:37:21 PM
Here is a good one: U.S. 35 in Northern Indiana... where does it end? We don't know, but what we know is that U.S. 35 used to end at U.S. 12 until the city of Michigan City took over and redid Michigan Blvd... It looks very nice now!!
US 35 ends at US 20 just east of the I-94 interchange.

US 35 doesn't end at the stop light east of I-94:
https://goo.gl/maps/GqPRtWtPnyr
35 is concurrent with 20 from there west to the SR 912 interchange (Michigan City bypass):
https://goo.gl/maps/WmFX96by6nt
Although I've never seen an END US 35 banner (or a START banner, going the other way), the sign above confirms the concurrency. You might think that the sign was left over from when 35 went all the way downtown, but the 35 shield has been removed from the BGS on the left for the Michigan City ramp. That's a clear indication that 35 ends at this interchange.


Flint1979

Quote from: theline on August 10, 2017, 01:14:56 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 09, 2017, 12:00:05 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on July 31, 2017, 03:37:21 PM
Here is a good one: U.S. 35 in Northern Indiana... where does it end? We don't know, but what we know is that U.S. 35 used to end at U.S. 12 until the city of Michigan City took over and redid Michigan Blvd... It looks very nice now!!
US 35 ends at US 20 just east of the I-94 interchange.

US 35 doesn't end at the stop light east of I-94:
https://goo.gl/maps/GqPRtWtPnyr
35 is concurrent with 20 from there west to the SR 912 interchange (Michigan City bypass):
https://goo.gl/maps/WmFX96by6nt
Although I've never seen an END US 35 banner (or a START banner, going the other way), the sign above confirms the concurrency. You might think that the sign was left over from when 35 went all the way downtown, but the 35 shield has been removed from the BGS on the left for the Michigan City ramp. That's a clear indication that 35 ends at this interchange.

INDoT obtained AASHTO approval to truncate the US 35 designation to its east junction with US 20.  However in 2009 INDoT removed US 35 references only as far as the west junction which is where you are saying it ends. US 35 is still signed as if it exists along the US 20 overlap but I'm pretty sure it was suppose to end at the east junction. It doesn't really make sense to multiplex US 35 with US 20 when US 35 ends and US 20 keeps going.

froggie

Quote from: WNYroadgeekUS 220's northern terminus is at a side street in Waverly, NY: https://goo.gl/maps/UoEZvvUZT8S2

Not anymore.  It's northern terminus, per the NYSDOT application and AASHTO's approval (and PennDOT's concurrence according to the application) is now at I-86/NY 17.

bzakharin

Quote from: Flint1979 on August 10, 2017, 01:41:32 AM
It doesn't really make sense to multiplex US 35 with US 20 when US 35 ends and US 20 keeps going.
On that note, US 46 ends at the NJ/NY state line while concurrent with US 1, US 9, and I-95. It could have ended at the US 1/9 merge. Yes, US 46 is the thru route there, but if it has to end somewhere, better to end it there.  In fact, US 46 should not be a US route at all. Yes, I know it used to go to PA, but it doesn't now, and things get downgraded. Look at PA 611.

Flint1979

Quote from: bzakharin on August 10, 2017, 02:22:38 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 10, 2017, 01:41:32 AM
It doesn't really make sense to multiplex US 35 with US 20 when US 35 ends and US 20 keeps going.
On that note, US 46 ends at the NJ/NY state line while concurrent with US 1, US 9, and I-95. It could have ended at the US 1/9 merge. Yes, US 46 is the thru route there, but if it has to end somewhere, better to end it there.  In fact, US 46 should not be a US route at all. Yes, I know it used to go to PA, but it doesn't now, and things get downgraded. Look at PA 611.
I certainly don't disagree with that. At 75 miles it'd be better suited as a state highway. The way it looks to me is that US 46 should end at US 9 and it could very well have had the same fate as PA 611. I'm pretty sure that NJ doesn't have a SR 46 which could very easily be changed.

bugo

Quote from: theline on August 10, 2017, 01:14:56 AM
Although I've never seen an END US 35 banner (or a START banner, going the other way), the sign above confirms the concurrency. You might think that the sign was left over from when 35 went all the way downtown, but the 35 shield has been removed from the BGS on the left for the Michigan City ramp. That's a clear indication that 35 ends at this interchange.

Here's an old picture:


bzakharin

Quote from: Flint1979 on August 10, 2017, 03:09:35 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on August 10, 2017, 02:22:38 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 10, 2017, 01:41:32 AM
It doesn't really make sense to multiplex US 35 with US 20 when US 35 ends and US 20 keeps going.
On that note, US 46 ends at the NJ/NY state line while concurrent with US 1, US 9, and I-95. It could have ended at the US 1/9 merge. Yes, US 46 is the thru route there, but if it has to end somewhere, better to end it there.  In fact, US 46 should not be a US route at all. Yes, I know it used to go to PA, but it doesn't now, and things get downgraded. Look at PA 611.
I certainly don't disagree with that. At 75 miles it'd be better suited as a state highway. The way it looks to me is that US 46 should end at US 9 and it could very well have had the same fate as PA 611. I'm pretty sure that NJ doesn't have a SR 46 which could very easily be changed.
NJ does not have any duplication in route numbers whatsoever (except county routes), so if there is a US 46, there is no I-46 or SR 46, so it's guaranteed that the downgrade would cause minimum confusion.

sparker

This is an "added insult to injury" situation: for about a decade after its official decommissioning in the CA '64 renumbering, US 66 (which was still utilized to sign the unfinished portions of I-40 and I-15 in the interim), at least as a signed route, actually ended/"petered out" at the corner of Colorado Blvd. and Arroyo Drive in downtown Pasadena, CA.  This was a very unusual situation inasmuch as at the time it was also the east terminus of CA 134 and the north terminus of CA 11 (which had superseded US 66 into L.A.).  Signage on US 66 was cut back during that time as more and more of I-210 was built parallel to it; US 66 was "officially" gone when the I-210/CA 134 interchange was completed in 1976.  The portion through Pasadena continued to be maintained as unsigned CA 248 as far east as Arcadia until that too was eventually deleted from the state logs. 

hbelkins

Quote from: froggie on August 10, 2017, 09:02:05 AM
Quote from: WNYroadgeekUS 220's northern terminus is at a side street in Waverly, NY: https://goo.gl/maps/UoEZvvUZT8S2

Not anymore.  It's northern terminus, per the NYSDOT application and AASHTO's approval (and PennDOT's concurrence according to the application) is now at I-86/NY 17.

Don't you mean PA 17? :-D


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hotdogPi

Quote from: hbelkins on August 10, 2017, 05:03:16 PM
Quote from: froggie on August 10, 2017, 09:02:05 AM
Quote from: WNYroadgeekUS 220's northern terminus is at a side street in Waverly, NY: https://goo.gl/maps/UoEZvvUZT8S2

Not anymore.  It's northern terminus, per the NYSDOT application and AASHTO's approval (and PennDOT's concurrence according to the application) is now at I-86/NY 17.

Don't you mean PA 17? :-D

PA 17 is near the geographical center of Pennsylvania, nowhere near a state border. NY 17 continues into Pennsylvania. There are a few other routes like this, like NH 153 in Maine and ME 113 in New Hampshire.

I made a similar mistake a few years ago, claiming that I had clinched "NJ/PA 90". (It's a valid clinch, but the Pennsylvania segment is unnumbered.)
Clinched, minus I-93 (I'm missing a few miles and my file is incorrect)

Traveled, plus US 13, 44, and 50, and several state routes

I will be in Burlington VT for the eclipse.

Flint1979

Quote from: bugo on August 10, 2017, 03:17:56 PM
Quote from: theline on August 10, 2017, 01:14:56 AM
Although I've never seen an END US 35 banner (or a START banner, going the other way), the sign above confirms the concurrency. You might think that the sign was left over from when 35 went all the way downtown, but the 35 shield has been removed from the BGS on the left for the Michigan City ramp. That's a clear indication that 35 ends at this interchange.

Here's an old picture:


Yeah that picture is at the old terminus. I'm just saying that INDoT took down signage only until the western junction with US 20 when it really ends at the eastern junction with US 20.

hbelkins

Quote from: 1 on August 10, 2017, 05:29:27 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 10, 2017, 05:03:16 PM
Quote from: froggie on August 10, 2017, 09:02:05 AM
Quote from: WNYroadgeekUS 220's northern terminus is at a side street in Waverly, NY: https://goo.gl/maps/UoEZvvUZT8S2

Not anymore.  It's northern terminus, per the NYSDOT application and AASHTO's approval (and PennDOT's concurrence according to the application) is now at I-86/NY 17.

Don't you mean PA 17? :-D

PA 17 is near the geographical center of Pennsylvania, nowhere near a state border. NY 17 continues into Pennsylvania. There are a few other routes like this, like NH 153 in Maine and ME 113 in New Hampshire.

I made a similar mistake a few years ago, claiming that I had clinched "NJ/PA 90". (It's a valid clinch, but the Pennsylvania segment is unnumbered.)

I know that. Hence, the  :-D . However, the western segment of I-86 that enters Pennsylvania was originally numbered PA 17 as a continuation of NY 17 before it got interstate designation.


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thenetwork

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US-6 in Mack, CO.  (this was CDOT's bright idea!!!)

https://goo.gl/maps/v8dDfVMSQWm

NE2

Quote from: thenetwork on August 11, 2017, 04:30:55 PM
US-6 in Mack, CO.  (this was CDOT's bright idea!!!)

https://goo.gl/maps/v8dDfVMSQWm
There is access to I-70, is there not? Both signs lie.
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Flint1979

Quote from: NE2 on August 11, 2017, 07:18:55 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on August 11, 2017, 04:30:55 PM
US-6 in Mack, CO.  (this was CDOT's bright idea!!!)

https://goo.gl/maps/v8dDfVMSQWm
There is access to I-70, is there not? Both signs lie.
That No Access to I-70 sign is in the westbound direction after the the turn to head towards exit 11 which is still incorrect considering that roadway connects to Exit 227 in Utah. US 6 has never ended in that location though from what I have gathered. It use to end in Greeley but that is nowhere near Mack and was extended to Long Beach, CA in 1937 so that sign makes no sense. US 6 follows I-70 west to Exit 157 in Utah and then runs multiplexed with US 191 for several miles.

SFalcon71

Quote from: Flint1979 on August 11, 2017, 07:34:35 PM
Quote from: NE2 on August 11, 2017, 07:18:55 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on August 11, 2017, 04:30:55 PM
US-6 in Mack, CO.  (this was CDOT's bright idea!!!)

https://goo.gl/maps/v8dDfVMSQWm
There is access to I-70, is there not? Both signs lie.
That No Access to I-70 sign is in the westbound direction after the the turn to head towards exit 11 which is still incorrect considering that roadway connects to Exit 227 in Utah. US 6 has never ended in that location though from what I have gathered. It use to end in Greeley but that is nowhere near Mack and was extended to Long Beach, CA in 1937 so that sign makes no sense. US 6 follows I-70 west to Exit 157 in Utah and then runs multiplexed with US 191 for several miles.

The map shows the end of Business US. 6, not US 6 itself.

thenetwork

Quote from: SFalcon71 on August 11, 2017, 10:25:44 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 11, 2017, 07:34:35 PM
Quote from: NE2 on August 11, 2017, 07:18:55 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on August 11, 2017, 04:30:55 PM
US-6 in Mack, CO.  (this was CDOT's bright idea!!!)

https://goo.gl/maps/v8dDfVMSQWm
There is access to I-70, is there not? Both signs lie.
That No Access to I-70 sign is in the westbound direction after the the turn to head towards exit 11 which is still incorrect considering that roadway connects to Exit 227 in Utah. US 6 has never ended in that location though from what I have gathered. It use to end in Greeley but that is nowhere near Mack and was extended to Long Beach, CA in 1937 so that sign makes no sense. US 6 follows I-70 west to Exit 157 in Utah and then runs multiplexed with US 191 for several miles.

The map shows the end of Business US. 6, not US 6 itself.

There is NO Business US-6 in Western CO.  CDOT is just too lazy to route official signed legs of US-6 back onto I-70 when necessary. They even have a sign directing US-6 WB traffic to a road in Glenwood Springs which leads to a Dead End -- this is long after the old highway was buried under the westbound lanes of I-70.

US 89

Quote from: thenetwork on August 11, 2017, 11:15:30 PM
Quote from: SFalcon71 on August 11, 2017, 10:25:44 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 11, 2017, 07:34:35 PM
Quote from: NE2 on August 11, 2017, 07:18:55 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on August 11, 2017, 04:30:55 PM
US-6 in Mack, CO.  (this was CDOT's bright idea!!!)

https://goo.gl/maps/v8dDfVMSQWm
There is access to I-70, is there not? Both signs lie.
That No Access to I-70 sign is in the westbound direction after the the turn to head towards exit 11 which is still incorrect considering that roadway connects to Exit 227 in Utah. US 6 has never ended in that location though from what I have gathered. It use to end in Greeley but that is nowhere near Mack and was extended to Long Beach, CA in 1937 so that sign makes no sense. US 6 follows I-70 west to Exit 157 in Utah and then runs multiplexed with US 191 for several miles.

The map shows the end of Business US. 6, not US 6 itself.

There is NO Business US-6 in Western CO.  CDOT is just too lazy to route official signed legs of US-6 back onto I-70 when necessary. They even have a sign directing US-6 WB traffic to a road in Glenwood Springs which leads to a Dead End -- this is long after the old highway was buried under the westbound lanes of I-70.

That sign is there because CDOT is lazy. But it may also be meant to serve as a Dead End sign, as the old road isn't in great shape.

Flint1979

Quote from: thenetwork on August 11, 2017, 11:15:30 PM
Quote from: SFalcon71 on August 11, 2017, 10:25:44 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 11, 2017, 07:34:35 PM
Quote from: NE2 on August 11, 2017, 07:18:55 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on August 11, 2017, 04:30:55 PM
US-6 in Mack, CO.  (this was CDOT's bright idea!!!)

https://goo.gl/maps/v8dDfVMSQWm
There is access to I-70, is there not? Both signs lie.
That No Access to I-70 sign is in the westbound direction after the the turn to head towards exit 11 which is still incorrect considering that roadway connects to Exit 227 in Utah. US 6 has never ended in that location though from what I have gathered. It use to end in Greeley but that is nowhere near Mack and was extended to Long Beach, CA in 1937 so that sign makes no sense. US 6 follows I-70 west to Exit 157 in Utah and then runs multiplexed with US 191 for several miles.

The map shows the end of Business US. 6, not US 6 itself.

There is NO Business US-6 in Western CO.  CDOT is just too lazy to route official signed legs of US-6 back onto I-70 when necessary. They even have a sign directing US-6 WB traffic to a road in Glenwood Springs which leads to a Dead End -- this is long after the old highway was buried under the westbound lanes of I-70.
Are you talking about the West US 6 sign that's at the traffic circle with the interchange with I-70. If so, that sign just should be moved to the West I-70 sign about 100 feet ahead of where that sign is.

thenetwork

Quote from: Flint1979 on August 12, 2017, 11:04:24 AM
Quote from: thenetwork on August 11, 2017, 11:15:30 PM
Quote from: SFalcon71 on August 11, 2017, 10:25:44 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 11, 2017, 07:34:35 PM
Quote from: NE2 on August 11, 2017, 07:18:55 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on August 11, 2017, 04:30:55 PM
US-6 in Mack, CO.  (this was CDOT's bright idea!!!)

https://goo.gl/maps/v8dDfVMSQWm
There is access to I-70, is there not? Both signs lie.
That No Access to I-70 sign is in the westbound direction after the the turn to head towards exit 11 which is still incorrect considering that roadway connects to Exit 227 in Utah. US 6 has never ended in that location though from what I have gathered. It use to end in Greeley but that is nowhere near Mack and was extended to Long Beach, CA in 1937 so that sign makes no sense. US 6 follows I-70 west to Exit 157 in Utah and then runs multiplexed with US 191 for several miles.

The map shows the end of Business US. 6, not US 6 itself.

There is NO Business US-6 in Western CO.  CDOT is just too lazy to route official signed legs of US-6 back onto I-70 when necessary. They even have a sign directing US-6 WB traffic to a road in Glenwood Springs which leads to a Dead End -- this is long after the old highway was buried under the westbound lanes of I-70.
Are you talking about the West US 6 sign that's at the traffic circle with the interchange with I-70. If so, that sign just should be moved to the West I-70 sign about 100 feet ahead of where that sign is.

That, and there is/was (they just revamped the roundabout for the upcoming Grand Avenue Gridlock project) a diagrammatical sign with a US-6 shield pointing down that road as well.

I should just apply to CDOT and be their Signage Efficiency Expert.  There's at least 3-5 years worth of issues and mistakes to resolve already.

roadman65

US 92 in St. Petersburg ends in Downtown.  Yes granted it used to be an old alignment of US 19 at one time and there is mention that US 19 Alternate still goes there, but I traveled it last with Alex and saw no shields of US 19 Alternate existing there.

It really should just stay on Gandy Blvd. and end at the US 19 intersection north of Central St. Pete. 

US 1 in Key West (pointed out earlier in this post) should end at the Southernmost point marker and not at Whitehead and Fleming like it does. 

US 41 should now just end at I-95 in Miami instead of using old US 1 into Downtown.  Though not random now as it still ends, despite poor signage at US 1 but might as well say it ends randomly as I heard from someone FDOT has not signed its new alignment yet and most likely won't for some time.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

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Flint1979

Quote from: thenetwork on August 13, 2017, 10:36:05 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 12, 2017, 11:04:24 AM
Quote from: thenetwork on August 11, 2017, 11:15:30 PM
Quote from: SFalcon71 on August 11, 2017, 10:25:44 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 11, 2017, 07:34:35 PM
Quote from: NE2 on August 11, 2017, 07:18:55 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on August 11, 2017, 04:30:55 PM
US-6 in Mack, CO.  (this was CDOT's bright idea!!!)

https://goo.gl/maps/v8dDfVMSQWm
There is access to I-70, is there not? Both signs lie.
That No Access to I-70 sign is in the westbound direction after the the turn to head towards exit 11 which is still incorrect considering that roadway connects to Exit 227 in Utah. US 6 has never ended in that location though from what I have gathered. It use to end in Greeley but that is nowhere near Mack and was extended to Long Beach, CA in 1937 so that sign makes no sense. US 6 follows I-70 west to Exit 157 in Utah and then runs multiplexed with US 191 for several miles.

The map shows the end of Business US. 6, not US 6 itself.

There is NO Business US-6 in Western CO.  CDOT is just too lazy to route official signed legs of US-6 back onto I-70 when necessary. They even have a sign directing US-6 WB traffic to a road in Glenwood Springs which leads to a Dead End -- this is long after the old highway was buried under the westbound lanes of I-70.
Are you talking about the West US 6 sign that's at the traffic circle with the interchange with I-70. If so, that sign just should be moved to the West I-70 sign about 100 feet ahead of where that sign is.

That, and there is/was (they just revamped the roundabout for the upcoming Grand Avenue Gridlock project) a diagrammatical sign with a US-6 shield pointing down that road as well.

I should just apply to CDOT and be their Signage Efficiency Expert.  There's at least 3-5 years worth of issues and mistakes to resolve already.
I see that the dead end road leads to a campground before it dead ends. With how many signs they need to change that probably would be a pretty good job.

jp the roadgeek

Quote from: jemacedo9 on August 01, 2017, 10:45:30 AM
Quote from: BrianP on August 01, 2017, 10:06:18 AM
I'd say the west end of US 209 counts.  It should be truncated to I-81. 

I think theoretically, US 209 "continues" across the Millersburg Ferry to end at US 11/15. 

I think it should take over PA 147 southward to US 22/US 322.

And for that matter, the north end of US 209 is kind of random.  It ends at US 9W near Kingston, NY and becomes NY 199 while you're on an expressway.  It should just continue across the Kingston-Rhinecliff Bridge to end at US 9.

US 3 also has a random southern end in Cambridge, MA where it becomes MA 3.  And why is US 44 necessary west of Arlington, NY when it's duplexed with NY 55?  Why not just either end US 44 in Arlington, extend US 44 over NY 55 and PA 434 to end it at US 6, or reroute it in Millerton onto NY 199 and have it take over US 209?
Interstates I've clinched: 97, 290 (MA), 291 (CT), 291 (MA), 293, 295 (DE-NJ-PA), 295 (RI-MA), 384, 391, 395 (CT-MA), 395 (MD), 495 (DE), 610 (LA), 684, 691, 695 (MD), 695 (NY), 795 (MD)

MN34

U.S. 212 ends at a junction with some random road in Yellowstone Natl. Park.

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: MN34 on August 13, 2017, 09:15:42 PM
U.S. 212 ends at a junction with some random road in Yellowstone Natl. Park.

Not really, it ends at the northeast entrance to the park.  US 14 is the real oddity given it multiplexes US 20 to the park gate and ends.  US 189 does the same thing multiplexing US 89 and 26 to Grand Teton only to end. 



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