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Title: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Voyager on January 18, 2009, 08:09:48 AM
What's the status of these two Interstates? Has their final route been worked out through the Carolinas?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Alex on January 18, 2009, 11:38:21 AM
I just clinched Interstate 73 in its current entirety in December. Weirdly all of the new freeway that was built south of Candor is signed as "Future Interstate 73/74", while it is so much better than the older sections to the north. No work is underway on the freeway south of Rockingham yet, and work on the freeway north of the Piedmont-Triad International Airport has also yet to begin.

As for Interstate 74, the High Point Bypass is still well underway, and the Maxton to Lumberton section opened in recent months as well. There are still several sections of existing freeway that need upgrading or sections to be completed (such as most of the route east of Interstate 95).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: deathtopumpkins on January 18, 2009, 01:27:41 PM
CG, I-64's not new. :P It's actually a very old interstate.

I haven't really paid attention to new interstates in the Carolinas though...  :-\
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Snappyjack on January 18, 2009, 10:23:12 PM
Why is I-3 given the number 3? If it is running from Savannah to Knoxville, it's an east west.. or southeast to northwest..or whatever you want to call it. Should be an even number. Correct?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: FLRoads on January 18, 2009, 11:20:43 PM
Quote from: Snappyjack on January 18, 2009, 10:23:12 PM
Why is I-3 given the number 3? If it is running from Savannah to Knoxville, it's an east west.. or southeast to northwest..or whatever you want to call it. Should be an even number. Correct?

Proposed Interstate 3 is an initial desgination in which it honors Fort Stewart's 3rd Infantry Division's lead role in the War on Terror in Iraq.  Interstate 3, if ever built, would be known as the "3rd Infantry Division Highway" and serve defense interests in the region.  That's the official reason for the numbering.  Check out this page (http://www.interstate-guide.com/i-003.html) for more information.

As far as the proposed route being an even or odd designation, that is open to debate.  Looking at a map it does follows a northwest-southeast pattern, such as I-24 and I-26, and so it should carry an even designation, to keep in sync.  But, we currently have an interstate that breaks that rule: I-85.  That particular interstate pretty much runs northeast-southwest.  So, theoretically, it can carry an odd number.  But, in my opinion, the number 3 is WAY out of the current grid of the interstate system and that number should really be reserved for a western US north-south interstate.  But, since no high numbered north-south numbers can be used, and AASHTO won't duplicate any north-south route designations such as I-83, I-91, etc.  That leaves the lower north-south numbers to be used.

My personal opinion, if they do indeed build this interstate, bring back the suffixed interstates and designate it I-75E!!  That would solve any issues, other than it would eventually be east of I-85, but then we already have one I-75 that does that.





Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: deathtopumpkins on January 18, 2009, 11:37:10 PM
Well actually it wouldn't even be the first time they duplicated a route number. There are two I-84s (CT and OR), two I-76s (PA and CO), and I believe to I-69s. It just bugs the crap out of me when they do stuff like that...  >:(
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Alex on January 18, 2009, 11:42:54 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on January 18, 2009, 11:37:10 PM
Well actually it wouldn't even be the first time they duplicated a route number. There are two I-84s (CT and OR), two I-76s (PA and CO), and I believe to I-69s. It just bugs the crap out of me when they do stuff like that...  >:(

Two I-74's (like they'll ever be connected!), two I-88's, two I-86's. Heck, think of how many I-80N's that there once were?  ;)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: seicer on January 18, 2009, 11:52:55 PM
In Ohio, Interstate 73 and 74 are all but dead proposals. ODOT is not upgrading Ohio Route 32 to interstate standards, although there will be interchanges from Batavia west to Interstate 275 in the next 10 years to replace the signalized intersections. Kentucky had a short-lived proposal to widen and subsequently rebuild the AA Highway from Interstate 275 east to Interstate 64 Grayson to interstate standards, although this political-blabber died quite fast.

Kentucky, however, is slated to widen the AA Highway to four-lanes from the Campbell County line (where the four-lane ends) to Maysville, although it will be done by twinning the existing alignment and by keeping the few intersections that do exist. A new four-lane, limited access bypass of Maysville is currently in the right-of-way acquisition stage, although it is not part of any interstate.

West Virginia has several segments completed as part of the Tolsia Highway/King Coal Highway upgrade:
1. Four-lane divided segment (with a curbed median that becomes ditched, grassy) from Interstate 64 at Kenova to West Virginia Route 75, where there is a half-completed diamond interchange. Any upgrade near Interstate 64 will require substantial reconstruction, and the traffic counts just is not there.
2. Four-lane corridor highway around Prichard, complete with one interchange.
3. Four-lane corridor highway around Crum, although it was originally striped for 2-lanes SB and 1 NB (in a very odd arrangement). It is now two-lanes with four-lanes fully completed, and with one half-completed diamond interchange. It has no route marker, as it is not a full bypass of Crum, and ends at a minor county route.
4. Four-lane grading at Welch, with the massive volleyball interchange at the Coalfields Expressway -- both still grades in this vicinity.
5. Four-lane corridor highway from Interstate 77 west to US Route 460. From that point north, construction is ongoing to the Bluefield/Princeton Airport.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rawr apples on January 18, 2009, 11:54:49 PM
I'd like to if any of these duplicated routes will ever be connected, with all the environmentalist out there
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: FLRoads on January 18, 2009, 11:57:37 PM
Quote from: aaroads on January 18, 2009, 11:42:54 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on January 18, 2009, 11:37:10 PM
Well actually it wouldn't even be the first time they duplicated a route number. There are two I-84s (CT and OR), two I-76s (PA and CO), and I believe to I-69s. It just bugs the crap out of me when they do stuff like that...  >:(

Two I-74's (like they'll ever be connected!), two I-88's, two I-86's. Heck, think of how many I-80N's that there once were?  ;)

Yes, and if you notice, ALL of those duplicates are east-west route numbers, with the exception of I-69.  But the one in Mississippi is suppose to eventually (in 20-30 years??) connect with the other, so then it would be a continuous route.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Snappyjack on January 19, 2009, 12:32:02 AM
Going back to I-85 quick, it also breaks the rules because the part from Atlanta to its end in Montgomery, AL goes to the west of 75.

Other interstates do this as well; the most notable example coming to mind being I-89 crossing I-91.

I-26 crosses to the south of I-20 as well.

And if you want to really get technical, the two I-88's could connect if they so chose to, by way of I-90 and (I believe) I-94. The two I-86's could too.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: seicer on January 19, 2009, 09:29:24 PM
Quote from: rawr apples on January 18, 2009, 11:54:49 PM
I'd like to if any of these duplicated routes will ever be connected, with all the environmentalist out there

That has nothing to do with the construction of the corridor in West Virginia. It was long ago decided that it would be prohibitively expensive to construct it as an interstate facility, so it is being designed as a corridor highway -- four-lanes, with a depressed median and a 70 MPH design speed (although signed at 65 MPH). It has sparse intersections and a few interchanges, which is fine for a highway that sees less than 10,000 ADT for 90% of the route.

At $2 billion to complete ~70 miles in West Virginia, for a highway that travels through a depopulating region, where economic development won't occur, it doesn't make sense to complete it in its current form. At the current rate, it will be until 2060 until the highway is complete.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Real Life Guitar Hero on January 28, 2009, 08:18:32 PM
I believe that in like MB it was gonna be that one was gonna be SC-31 and the other would be SC-22, I cant remember but anyway I think that its that way, dont trust me I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 16, 2009, 08:45:00 AM
Quote from: Real Life Guitar Hero on January 28, 2009, 08:18:32 PM
I believe that in like MB it was gonna be that one was gonna be SC-31 and the other would be SC-22, I cant remember but anyway I think that its that way, dont trust me I could be wrong.
I believe that I-73 is supposed to be SC 22 and I-74 is supposed to be SC 31 with an extension of the current SC 31(Carolina Bays Pkwy) into North Carolina.  I have also read about a possible I-174 heading along the Main Street Connector from SC 31 into N Myrtle Beach.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on February 16, 2009, 12:56:13 PM
There's also a planned I-274, I think, in Winston-Salem.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Alex on February 16, 2009, 01:52:22 PM
Yes, that is the Winston-Salem beltway, which is pretty much unfunded at this time.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 27, 2009, 03:56:44 PM
SC is having controversy with itself(as in the transpotation board)on I-73 (http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20090427/NEWS01/904270310/1068/YOURUPSTATE01)  The result of not having full funding to build I-73.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: njroadhorse on May 02, 2009, 01:05:36 PM
Does anybody know if the small section of SC 22 that will be left over after I-73 takes over the Conway Bypass will be renumbered or not?  I personally think it should be because that section seems too short to warrant a 2-digit designation.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: leifvanderwall on May 07, 2009, 03:10:35 PM
Well, I have a more positive feeling with the I-73/I-74 multiplex; in fact I traveled on it from Greensboro, NC to Ellerbe in 2007. I see what the feds are trying to do, but is US 52 in West Virginia from Huntington to Bluefield so congested that I-73/I-74 have to go through there? I also wonder why Ohio gave up on it. I think US 23 from the Ohio River to Findley, OH should be an interstate corridor. I really think I-73 should be on the US 29 corridor from Greensboro to Washington as a good alternate to I-95. Has the NCDOT decided on what to do with US 74?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 14, 2009, 03:55:45 PM
QuoteDoes anybody know if the small section of SC 22 that will be left over after I-73 takes over the Conway Bypass will be renumbered or not?  I personally think it should be because that section seems too short to warrant a 2-digit designation.
No but I wouldn't mind it being called SC 273 :-D   Stimulus funds approved for building part of I-73 (http://www.scnow.com/scp/news/local/pee_dee/article/nesa_committee_moves_for_i-73_construction_in_dillon_county/50026/) from I-95 to US 501 in Dillon County, SC
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: akotchi on July 30, 2009, 09:37:53 PM
Greetings from Hilton Head.  I have seen signs on I-95 signing the Lumberton Bypass as I-74/U.S. 74.  I will get pictures on the way north, as the route down was in the dark.

Since the family is along, I doubt they would let me ride I-74 . . .    :angry:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 02, 2009, 03:06:06 AM
Quote from: akotchi on July 30, 2009, 09:37:53 PM
Greetings from Hilton Head.  I have seen signs on I-95 signing the Lumberton Bypass as I-74/U.S. 74.  I will get pictures on the way north, as the route down was in the dark.

Since the family is along, I doubt they would let me ride I-74 . . .    :angry:

http://www.duke.edu/~rmalme/i74seg16.html (http://www.duke.edu/~rmalme/i74seg16.html) ;)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: SP Cook on August 02, 2009, 07:18:55 AM
The powers that be, IMHO, dropped the ball in allowing NC all of this latitude for a project that will never connect up, nor be finished in any meaningful way.  It is confusing to motorists, pointless, and even if completed, there are plenty of places on either "interstate" where the most logical route between two points on the route will not be the route, which should never happen.

This is my humbe solution.

Simply renumber the short section of I-74 from I-77 to US 52 as either "I-177" or "US 152" with signage of "TO US 52" or "TO I-77" beside it.

Let the rest simply carry its US route numbers.  All of the rest of both projects is multi-plexed with current US routes.  US 52, US 311, US 220, US 74.   Renumber the Conway Bypass as "ALT US 501".
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Sykotyk on August 02, 2009, 06:46:41 PM
With US-74 from I-26 through Charlotte to I-95, I always thought I-74 (if it wasn't going to legitimately be independent of the proposed I-73) should just have a second run along US-74 from I-26 east around the I-485 on the southside of Charlotte, upgrade to freeway to Rockingham. And then upgrade to freeway to Wilmington.

Let I-73 'someday' continue north of WV, but for now, just keep that from Myrtle Beach to Virginia via US-52 to that runt I-74 spur, multiplex with I-77 to I-64 and then follow, some day, US-35 to US-23 to OH-15 to Toledo, along US-23 and end near Saginaw.

Sykotyk
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: akotchi on August 03, 2009, 01:01:02 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 02, 2009, 03:06:06 AM
Quote from: akotchi on July 30, 2009, 09:37:53 PM
Greetings from Hilton Head.  I have seen signs on I-95 signing the Lumberton Bypass as I-74/U.S. 74.  I will get pictures on the way north, as the route down was in the dark.

Since the family is along, I doubt they would let me ride I-74 . . .    :angry:

http://www.duke.edu/~rmalme/i74seg16.html (http://www.duke.edu/~rmalme/i74seg16.html) ;)

Thanks for the link.  I did not think I was discovering anything.  It's just nice to see such oddities (same route numbers) firsthand and photograph for posterity ...

I have found it strange that this piece of I-74 is so far south, between I-20 and I-40 ...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: mpgarr on August 04, 2009, 08:03:27 PM
Making the trip from SW Ohio down to the Georgia/SC coast and on down to Central Florida regularly--I have made the trip a half dozen times already in 2009 and I am not done making that trip yet this year---I would love to see both I-74 and "I-3" projects get done in my lifetime!!

I sure like to take alt routes to avoid I-75, I-26, and I-95 if I can!!! I also am not a big fan of the mountainous section of I-40 between Knox and Asheville.

I do love takikng I-77 now---I cannot wait until Kokosing finishes up the US 35 project in West Virginia. The only part of 77 that sucks is going thru Charlotte.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: exit322 on August 05, 2009, 08:55:18 AM
And you now can avoid most of the Charlotte problem with I-485 around the west side.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on August 17, 2009, 09:19:13 PM
SCDOT is applying for $300 million in TIGER grants for a six mile section of I-73 from I-95 to US 501 south of Latta.  Meanwhile, Horry County may apply for $30 million to upgrade SC 22 with paved shoulders that will move the freeway up to Interstate Standards.

Story: http://www.thesunnews.com/opinion/story/1024063.html (http://www.thesunnews.com/opinion/story/1024063.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: froggie on August 18, 2009, 06:50:15 AM
Was a big mistake on SCDOT's part not building SC 22 with paved shoulders to begin with...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on August 23, 2009, 06:25:31 PM
Federal judge denies challenge by Virginians for Appropriate Roads on I-73.

http://www.thesunnews.com/business/story/1027745.html (http://www.thesunnews.com/business/story/1027745.html)

They may file an appeal.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: lamsalfl on August 28, 2009, 08:44:18 PM
I-73 AND I-74 in the coastal Carolinas... what a complete waste of money.  Why do we need TWO roads so close to each other?  I'd rather see I-20 extended to Wilmington. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: FLRoads on August 28, 2009, 08:59:01 PM
And do not forget the fact that BOTH interstates are well east of where they should be... :nod:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 28, 2009, 09:17:28 PM
Quote from: flaroadgeek on August 28, 2009, 08:59:01 PM
And do not forget the fact that BOTH interstates are well east of where they should be... :nod:

Well, I-73 isn't that far out of place.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: lamsalfl on August 29, 2009, 01:58:39 PM
The number is the least of my concerns, unless it was like I-3 through Georgia.  Yeah the 74 number sucks, but I'd move on.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on August 31, 2009, 08:55:39 PM
It appears that SCDOT will begin ROW acquisition for I-73 later this year.

http://www2.scnow.com/scp/news/i_73/article/i-73_acquisition_plans_for_dillon_county_detailed/71608/ (http://www2.scnow.com/scp/news/i_73/article/i-73_acquisition_plans_for_dillon_county_detailed/71608/)

And they are still lobbying for stimulus funds to build the six mile stretch from I-95 to US 501.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on August 31, 2009, 09:16:06 PM
Also, the North Myrtle Beach Connector is set to open Thursday.

There's no mention of possibly becoming I-174 in the article, and from the description of the road, it's not even freeway grade.

I'm headed to North Myrtle for an extended weekend in two weeks, and I hope to check it out.

http://www.thesunnews.com/news/local/story/1045076.html?pageNum=1&&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_Container (http://www.thesunnews.com/news/local/story/1045076.html?pageNum=1&&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_Container)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Alex on September 01, 2009, 12:47:03 AM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on August 31, 2009, 09:16:06 PM
Also, the North Myrtle Beach Connector is set to open Thursday.

There's no mention of possibly becoming I-174 in the article, and from the description of the road, it's not even freeway grade.

I'm headed to North Myrtle for an extended weekend in two weeks, and I hope to check it out.

http://www.thesunnews.com/news/local/story/1045076.html?pageNum=1&&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_Container (http://www.thesunnews.com/news/local/story/1045076.html?pageNum=1&&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_Container)

The interchange with SC 31 is just a diamond, so its not a freeway to freeway connection there.
http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=33.83998~-78.6976&style=h&lvl=15&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1 (http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=33.83998~-78.6976&style=h&lvl=15&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1)

The articles I've read on it do not specify a number either.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on January 09, 2010, 10:30:14 PM
NCDOT is going to hold an informal public workshop on the proposed I-73/NC 68 connector on Thursday, January 14th at Northwest High School in Greensboro.

The session runs from 4-7 pm in the school's cafeteria.

The workshop will be discussion the 13 mile project which will include a new four lane highway between NC 68 and US 220.  In addition the project widens parts of NC 68 to four lanes.

For more detail about the connector - Bob Malme has it covered:
http://web.duke.edu/~rmalme/i73seg2.html

And the story link:
http://www.news-record.com/content/2010/01/06/article/workshop_to_be_held_on_proposed_nc_68_connector
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: shoptb1 on January 09, 2010, 11:06:55 PM
Quote from: leifvanderwall on May 07, 2009, 03:10:35 PM
... I also wonder why Ohio gave up on it. I think US 23 from the Ohio River to Findley, OH should be an interstate corridor...

The history of the I-73 proposal in Ohio (specifically in Central Ohio) is one that is laden with governmental drops of the proverbial ball.  ODOT had control over I-73 removed from their hands by the Ohio Turnpike Commission, who in turn completely mishandled the public communication in Delaware county. After which, ODOT really didn't want to have anything to do with the entire project.  For a great read on the history of this issue...check out this webpage --> http://www.roadfan.com/i73orig.html (http://www.roadfan.com/i73orig.html).  However, as you can see from my avatar, I still think this is a very important corridor in Ohio (most importantly between Columbus and Toledo, as US-23 is quite a pain in the a$$ to drive)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on January 09, 2010, 11:26:37 PM
Quote from: shoptb1 on January 09, 2010, 11:06:55 PM

The history of the I-73 proposal in Ohio (specifically in Central Ohio) is one that is laden with governmental drops of the proverbial ball.  ODOT had control over I-73 removed from their hands by the Ohio Turnpike Commission, who in turn completely mishandled the public communication in Delaware county. After which, ODOT really didn't want to have anything to do with the entire project.  For a great read on the history of this issue...check out this webpage --> http://www.roadfan.com/i73orig.html (http://www.roadfan.com/i73orig.html).  However, as you can see from my avatar, I still think this is a very important corridor in Ohio (most importantly between Columbus and Toledo, as US-23 is quite a pain in the a$$ to drive)

What's wrong with US 23? Outside of signals north of I-270, I have always found the US 23/OH 15 corridor a nice drive, little traffic, sometimes cop-infested but that's been my general experience with all of Ohio. I'd much rather travel to Portsmouth and up US 23, around Columbus and back up US 23 to get to Toledo or Detroit than have to go through Lexington, Northern KY, Cincy and Dayton.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: shoptb1 on January 09, 2010, 11:45:39 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 09, 2010, 11:26:37 PM
What's wrong with US 23? Outside of signals north of I-270, I have always found the US 23/OH 15 corridor a nice drive, little traffic, sometimes cop-infested but that's been my general experience with all of Ohio. I'd much rather travel to Portsmouth and up US 23, around Columbus and back up US 23 to get to Toledo or Detroit than have to go through Lexington, Northern KY, Cincy and Dayton.

Don't get me wrong...once you get outside of Delaware-Marion, it's pretty smooth sailing (outside of the numerous speed traps).  However, the growth on US-23 from I-270 up through Marion create ridiculous delays these days.  I usually take OH-315 as an alternative, but then I'm still stuck with fighting the traffic through Delaware.  US-23 south of Columbus is not too bad, but that area hasn't really increased in population too badly since the road was designed.  It would be nice to have a better bypass around Circleville, but other than that, it's a pleasant drive.  

It just seems that compared to all of the other large population centers in Ohio, Toledo/Detroit still seem to be lacking a direct connection to the capital city.  It's probably no coincidence that the area that most needs improvement is the one that generated the most public dissidence 15 years ago during the planning phases.  Just my $.02 though...and that doesn't seem to be spurring any activity with ODOT  :-D
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on January 11, 2010, 08:56:16 PM
Came across this post with a few construction photos of the soon to be open I-73/74 Visitor's Center in Randolph County.

http://fromthegrounduppots.blogspot.com/2010/01/randolph-county-visitor-center.html
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 12, 2010, 10:32:46 AM
As far as I-73 in Ohio, the paper in the link is 10 years old, but very little has changed in 15 years up there.
http://www.roadfan.com/i73orig.html (http://www.roadfan.com/i73orig.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: shoptb1 on January 12, 2010, 12:00:20 PM
Quote from: osu-lsu on January 12, 2010, 10:32:46 AM
As far as I-73 in Ohio, the paper in the link is 10 years old, but very little has changed in 15 years up there.
http://www.roadfan.com/i73orig.html (http://www.roadfan.com/i73orig.html)

Yes, the official response by ODOT to any response regarding I-73 is that "The current interstate system serves Ohio very well and there are no plans to expand this system at this time."
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on January 14, 2010, 10:28:33 PM
Details of the NC 68/US 220 I-73 Connector from plans NCDOT sent me and from Bob Malme, who attended
tonight's meeting, is up at the blog.

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2010/01/details-of-nc68us-220-i-73-connector.html

News Story:
http://www.news-record.com/content/2010/01/13/article/residents_can_review_68_connector_plan
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: deathtopumpkins on February 02, 2010, 09:55:12 PM
I'm planning on taking a roadtrip down into NC sometime soon to clinch the currently built sections of I-73/74 (some of the info posted here piqued my interest). Here's what my plan looks like so far, though I am a bit iffy on the 16 hours of driving: http://tinyurl.com/nc-roadtrip
Any suggestions, or other interesting nearby things to check out?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on February 03, 2010, 11:09:07 AM
Are you doing this as a one or two day trip?

One suggestion I would have is instead of doubling back on US 52 from Mt. Airy to Winston.  Take 77 up to US 58 and cut accross to Martinsville or Danville and take US 220 (Future I-73) or US 29 (Future I-785) down to Greensboro.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on February 03, 2010, 01:40:31 PM
I didn't realize they had started numbering the exits on I-140...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on February 03, 2010, 02:14:31 PM
http://www.gribblenation.com/ncexits/i140nc.html
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: deathtopumpkins on February 03, 2010, 02:49:52 PM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on February 03, 2010, 11:09:07 AM
Are you doing this as a one or two day trip?

One suggestion I would have is instead of doubling back on US 52 from Mt. Airy to Winston.  Take 77 up to US 58 and cut accross to Martinsville or Danville and take US 220 (Future I-73) or US 29 (Future I-785) down to Greensboro.

Well I would like to do it in one day but I don't think it's feasible, as i just couldn't squeeze it into daylight hours.

And I could cut east on 58 and then go back south, but that would lengthen the trip to more around 19 hours, according to google. I would prefer to just take US-58 all the way east back home, I just chose US-52 to I-85 because it's supposed to be faster. If I end up splitting this up into two days, however, I most certainly will stick to US-58 on the way home.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on February 03, 2010, 11:01:30 PM
No, I-74 is not going to be changed to run from Wilmington to Charlotte...

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2010/02/i-74-in-charlotte.html
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: froggie on February 03, 2010, 11:19:45 PM
One thing with taking 77 up to 58 is you'd be able to check out status of the Hillsville bypass construction.

And I'd suspect that Google is somewhat overrepresenting travel time on 58 now, for two reasons:  it doesn't factor in that all of 58 east of Stuart is now 4 lanes.  And it also doesn't factor in that much of 58 is now signed for 60 MPH.  With the several-years-ago completion of the Danville and Clarksville bypasses, the only real slow-downs east of Martinsburg are a few signals east of Danville, from South Hill to Brodnax, through Emporia, and the west side of Suffolk.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: deathtopumpkins on February 04, 2010, 08:57:30 AM
Quote from: froggie on February 03, 2010, 11:19:45 PM
One thing with taking 77 up to 58 is you'd be able to check out status of the Hillsville bypass construction.

And I'd suspect that Google is somewhat overrepresenting travel time on 58 now, for two reasons:  it doesn't factor in that all of 58 east of Stuart is now 4 lanes.  And it also doesn't factor in that much of 58 is now signed for 60 MPH.  With the several-years-ago completion of the Danville and Clarksville bypasses, the only real slow-downs east of Martinsburg are a few signals east of Danville, from South Hill to Brodnax, through Emporia, and the west side of Suffolk.


Ah-ha... yes it would!

And I typically cut at least an hour off of the directions from google. I don't know how they calculate the estimated travel times, but I assume that since it no longer recognizes many of the bypasses as freeways it assumes them to be slower. I also don't think google factors in the speed people actually drive. I don't think I'd be doing precisely 60 the whole way on 58. ;)
What would you estimate the actual time at?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on February 04, 2010, 05:02:19 PM
I've found google to be very accurate at estimating time, but then again, I actually drive within 5 mph of the speed limit at almost all times.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on February 07, 2010, 10:53:23 PM
Quote from: froggie on February 03, 2010, 11:19:45 PM
One thing with taking 77 up to 58 is you'd be able to check out status of the Hillsville bypass construction.


I'd have to second (or is that third or fourth) the US 58 recommendation. It's a pretty drive. Plus there are all those cutouts in Hillsville to see if you are into such things. And the drive on I-77 north of the state line is interesting as well, although I think it's even more interesting southbound.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on February 16, 2010, 09:57:28 AM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on February 03, 2010, 11:01:30 PM
No, I-74 is not going to be changed to run from Wilmington to Charlotte...

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2010/02/i-74-in-charlotte.html

NCDOT has fixed the erroneous shield:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/seroads/message/9357
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on October 23, 2010, 04:21:22 PM
Bob Malme take a look at the progress on the Future I-74/US 311 freeway to where it will tie into I-73/US 220:

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2010/10/i-74us-311-randolph-county-progress.html
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 27, 2010, 12:40:29 AM
So, since Bob is moving back North, what will happen to his website on I-73/74?  Will it stay at the current URL, or will it move to a new one?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on October 27, 2010, 08:36:21 AM
It will be moving over to our site.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 27, 2010, 07:55:40 PM
Then you should have Bob post a new URL link on the current site before the move so people can get their favorites updated before the old site goes dead. ;)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on October 27, 2010, 10:20:40 PM
I don't know when Bob will move or what he will file it under.  That is his choice.  He has all his info saved.  So if it is removed from Duke University, nothing will be lost.  I am sure once he is settled he will make a conversion, I am sure moving his website is the least of his priorities at the moment.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jwolfer on November 03, 2010, 05:03:24 PM
I really don't like I-74 in NC.  I think the current US 74 freeway from I 26 to Charlotte and the existing I-74 should be I-28 all the way to Wilmington and leave US-74 on the surface roads .. It would fit better in the interstate grid, avoid the 73/74 multiplex and as others have said  we will be lucky to have this road completed thru OH, KY and WV in our lifetimes

IMO I-20 should be extended to Myrtle Beach
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on November 15, 2010, 02:47:56 PM
Looks like Monday the 22nd is when the next segment of I-74 will open here in NC.

http://www.news-record.com/content/2010/11/12/article/new_section_of_us_311_to_open_later_this_month#nrcRgn_PgBody

I may be able to get out and take photos of the new road on the 26th or 27th.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: mightyace on November 15, 2010, 03:02:16 PM
A line is the article is optimistic.

QuoteEventually, U.S. 311 will become part of the Interstate 74 network, which will link the Midwest to the coast of South Carolina.

If by eventually, they mean the next 100 years, then they may be right.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: njroadhorse on November 15, 2010, 04:10:54 PM
Just curious about something.  I was heading down the US 52 freeway between Mount Airy and Winston Salem on Saturday, and I was wondering what/how much upgrade work besides that interchange in downtown Winston-Salem with BL-40 needs to be done to US 52 before they can sign that as I-74.  I still find it a little silly to sign I-74 between 77 and 52 but abruptly end it there.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on November 15, 2010, 04:46:58 PM
You have the left hand exits at Pilot Mountain (Old US 52) and the NC 66 connector (King).  Substandard ramps along the older parts of the highway in Surry County the Pilot Mountain State Park interchange comes to mind.

Some areas lack shoulders etc.  I know that a total rebuild and improvement of the King/Tobaccoville Interchange is underway.

Can it be I-74 now, yeah for the most part, but modern standards won't allow it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on November 15, 2010, 04:55:52 PM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on November 15, 2010, 04:46:58 PM
You have the left hand exits at Pilot Mountain (Old US 52) and the NC 66 connector (King).  Substandard ramps along the older parts of the highway in Surry County the Pilot Mountain State Park interchange comes to mind.

Some areas lack shoulders etc.  I know that a total rebuild and improvement of the King/Tobaccoville Interchange is underway.

Can it be I-74 now, yeah for the most part, but modern standards won't allow it.
The NC 66 connector is where the interchange with the Winston-Salem loop is planned. It is also where I 74 will exit US 52. US 52 from there to I 40 is not planned to be upgraded to interstate standard. South of I 40, US 52 is planned to be I 285. If they ever upgrade that mess of exits in downtown Winston, I 285 could be extended north to I 74.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on November 17, 2010, 10:25:53 PM
Last February, South Carolina received $10 million in TIGER Grant money for
Interstate 73. They had asked for $300 million. But the grant money will not
be wasted, as South Carolina has finalized plans for some preliminary
construction work for when the Interstate highway will eventually be built.

The grant money will be used to widen nearly one mile each of US 301 and 501 at
where the Interstate will cross both roads south of Latta. Also, the current
intersection of US 301/501 just outside of Latta will be improved. US 301 and
501 will be widened from two lanes to three.

In addition, the Catfish Church Road bridge over I-95 and frontage roads in the
general area will be replaced and moved. Catfish Church Road crosses Interstate
95 just south of where the I-73/I-95 interchange will be located.

Construction should start in 2011 and be completed in about a year's time.

Story Links:
http://www2.scnow.com/news/2010/nov/05/plans-10m-i-73-federal-grant-approved-ar-1054447/
http://www.thesunnews.com/2010/11/09/1802133/money-coming-for-bit-of-i-73.html
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 18, 2010, 10:28:13 PM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on November 15, 2010, 02:47:56 PM
I may be able to get out and take photos of the new road on the 26th or 27th.

Can't wait.  Especially to see if it's going to be posted as I-74 in addition to US-311.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 19, 2010, 01:09:59 AM
I just saw this link posted over @ seroads by Bob.
http://www.myfox8.com/news/wghp-story-hwy-311-ribbon-101118,0,1285301.story

It contains a video as well showing new signs and the news crew traveling on the new highway.  Unfortunately, it doesn't provide any proof on if it will also be posted as I-74/US-311, or as Future I-74/US-311, or just plain US-311.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on November 19, 2010, 07:44:36 AM
A few years ago Bob posted a link to the sign plans that have it with 311 and 74.  The bypass will be at least signed as US 311.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on November 19, 2010, 09:21:34 AM
I drove US 311 through the area November 10th. They were putting up the BGS over the road at the I 85 Business/US 29/US 70 exit. The BGS had I 74 and US 311 shields for the through lanes. Bob has published photos of I 74 milemarkers on the unopened road. It looks like it is signed I 74/US 311 on the new road from I 85 Business to Cedar Square Road. Whether the I 74 signage extends west to the Main Street (Old Business 311) exit is to be determined.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Buummu on November 26, 2010, 02:54:02 PM
Drove on the new opened part of the freeway from Business I-85 to Cedar Square Rd.. I am pretty impressed with the roadway. The only thing is: why would NCDOT label I-74 between Main St (former Business 311) to Cedar Square Rd as I-74/US 311, while from there to I-40 is labeled Future I-74/US 311? I know about the interstate standard rule and the future Winston-Salem loop, but why bother labeling the road as I-74 if it is not connected from I-40 to I-85? (that will change when the road is finished towards US 220). Although the Winston Salem loop is not funded and is ranked last in the NCDOT priority, who knows when we will see I-74 extended up north from I-40 to meet up with the northwest I-74 that leaves from US 52 towards I-77.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on November 28, 2010, 08:17:20 PM
I did get out to High Point yesterday and got photos of the new I-74.

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2010/11/photos-from-new-high-point-section-of-i.html

and the entire set on flickr (93 photos).

http://www.flickr.com/photos/15530177@N05/sets/72157625359697893/
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Grzrd on April 27, 2011, 12:29:24 PM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on November 17, 2010, 10:25:53 PM
Last February, South Carolina received $10 million in TIGER Grant money for
Interstate 73. They had asked for $300 million. But the grant money will not
be wasted, as South Carolina has finalized plans for some preliminary
construction work for when the Interstate highway will eventually be built.
SCDOT has recently approved $105 million in funding for the Dillon County, S.C. I-73/I-95 interchange:

http://www.carolinalive.com/news/story.aspx?id=608945

http://www2.scnow.com/news/pee-dee/2011/apr/22/funding-approved-dillon-county-i-73-interchange-ho-ar-1750518/
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on April 27, 2011, 01:48:47 PM
Not so fast,

First, it appears that there is no approval to build the five miles of highway that would link I-95 and US 501 via I-73.  (Which is what SC originally asked for in TIGER grants).  If that is the case, then it's just for an interchange to nowhere at this point.

Second, there are a few more steps to clear before dirt will fly.

http://www.thesunnews.com/2011/04/22/2116499/some-money-approved-for-interstate.html#storylink=misearch

"However, the funding still must clear several more hurdles before it becomes final. First, it must gain approval from the state's Joint Bond Review Committee and then it must be approved by the state's Budget and Control Board"


Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Grzrd on April 27, 2011, 02:20:48 PM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on April 27, 2011, 01:48:47 PM
there are a few more steps to clear before dirt will fly.
http://www.thesunnews.com/2011/04/22/2116499/some-money-approved-for-interstate.html#storylink=misearch
"However, the funding still must clear several more hurdles before it becomes final. First, it must gain approval from the state's Joint Bond Review Committee and then it must be approved by the state's Budget and Control Board"
The I-73 project is one of several that SCDOT has approved in anticipation of the joint bond issue, and SCDOT is soliciting comments on these projects until May 26:

http://www.scdot.org/inside/public_comment_statewide_interstate.shtml

Quote from: CanesFan27 on April 27, 2011, 01:48:47 PM
it appears that there is no approval to build the five miles of highway that would link I-95 and US 501 via I-73.
Here is SCDOT's pdf of the project, which indicates that I-73 would tie into US 501:

http://www.scdot.org/inside/pdfs/public_comment_dillon_county.pdf

The pdf indicates that the project would need an additional $80.5 million in earmarks to meet its total $185.5 million price tag.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on April 27, 2011, 03:03:59 PM
Correct.  So more accurately - SCDOT started the financing process for the I-95 to US 501 segment, which basically serves as a true freeway alternate to the four lane SC 38 connection from I-95 to US 501.  They may only need $70.5 million as a result of the $10 million grant which is being used for items on the fringes of the overall 5.7 mile project's boundaries.

Even with the likely bond approvals, it will be an interchange to nowhere - if the state never receives $70-80 million in earmarks.  In this political climate, it's quite possible for the additional monies not to be authorized.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Buummu on April 28, 2011, 11:27:12 AM
That section of the freeway will receive Future I-73 shields in the future, I am sure... at least until everything is built.


Speaking of NC, in Asheboro area, they are widening the shoulders throughout the US 220 freeway to interstate standards, which means.... they are being serious about labeling US 220 as I-73.

I-74/US 311 is now under construction... the last segment towards US 220.

Is there any update on the US 220 Rockingham, NC Bypass? Just wondering..
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 28, 2011, 08:19:44 PM
Quote from: Buummu on April 28, 2011, 11:27:12 AM
That section of the freeway will receive Future I-73 shields in the future, I am sure... at least until everything is built.

I'm sure that if they get the section built from I-95 to US-501, they will post it as I-73 from the start.  That or they'll get AASHTO approval to make it a temporary I-x95 Spur.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Buummu on April 28, 2011, 10:28:03 PM
yeah or the "FUTURE I-73 CORRIDOR" sign
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 28, 2011, 11:04:18 PM
Quote from: Buummu on April 28, 2011, 10:28:03 PM
yeah or the "FUTURE I-73 CORRIDOR" sign


Trust me, since it will connect to another Interstate, they will post it as a full Interstate (look @ I-74 up in NC with it's newest segments that connect with I-85/I-95 as an example).  It's just a matter if it will be I-73 or I-x95 till it goes farther than US-501.  No "FUTURE I-73 CORRIDOR" stuff will be posted on it UNLESS it's posted as I-x95 imo.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on April 29, 2011, 10:43:45 AM
Why would you go through the process of getting one number if you're just going to change it?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on April 29, 2011, 01:08:53 PM
Quote from: deanej on April 29, 2011, 10:43:45 AM
Why would you go through the process of getting one number if you're just going to change it?

So folks can talk about it in forums like these.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Buummu on April 29, 2011, 03:59:48 PM
true lol.. but still is fun to drive on a new interstate in the future....
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Buummu on April 29, 2011, 04:02:44 PM
I also think that I-73 between Greensboro, NC and Myrtle Beach, SC will be finished first.... before any construction can be done north to Roanoke, VA.......
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on April 29, 2011, 07:40:44 PM
Quote from: Buummu on April 29, 2011, 04:02:44 PM
I also think that I-73 between Greensboro, NC and Myrtle Beach, SC will be finished first.... before any construction can be done north to Roanoke, VA.......
I think so, too (same goes for I-74 in NC), but unless WV, OH and MI change their minds about the route, then Congress has really screwed it up big-time!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Buummu on April 29, 2011, 11:02:05 PM
WV is slowly building their part.. that is from what i heard a few years ago...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on April 30, 2011, 12:29:19 AM
Not as a freeway, they're not. Though to be technical it's the "I-73/74 High Priority Corridor", not Interstates 73 and 74. There has been no legislation designating this corridor as a future Interstate, and only portions southeast of I-81 have been approved as Interstates by the FHWA. Much like the I-3 and I-14 proposals, it will likely never become an Interstate in the Ohio Valley.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 30, 2011, 12:36:18 AM
Quote from: NE2 on April 30, 2011, 12:29:19 AM
Not as a freeway, they're not. Though to be technical it's the "I-73/74 High Priority Corridor", not Interstates 73 and 74. There has been no legislation designating this corridor as a future Interstate, and only portions southeast of I-81 have been approved as Interstates by the FHWA. Much like the I-3 and I-14 proposals, it will likely never become an Interstate in the Ohio Valley.

And if no new alignment is built for I-74 in OH & WV, we always have the option of connecting I-74 in OH and NC together by multiplexes.

I-75 > I-75/I-71 > I-75 > I-64/I-75 > I-64 > I-64/I-77 > I-77

To be honest, I'd always thought that the I-74 in NC should be a Southern I-79 (with I-79 multiplexed with I-77 to NC).  But stuff like that should be talked about in the Fictional area. ;)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Buummu on April 30, 2011, 01:19:17 AM
yeah that is possible... there can always be a interstate multiplexes... like rickmastfan67 said..

As for I-73, if no new alignment is built, I-73 can always multiple with I-81 south and go up on US 460 (that cloverleaf).. then end it at I-77 for now. But, most likely I-73 will just be VA, NC and SC interstate until who knows.

I do not know about I-74.. looks like if I-74 isnt going to be built in Ohio Valley, there will be 2 separate I-74s.. just like I-84, I-86 and I-88.

but I like the idea of Southern I-79.... anyways.....
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Alps on April 30, 2011, 02:35:00 PM
Quote from: deanej on April 29, 2011, 10:43:45 AM
Why would you go through the process of getting one number if you're just going to change it?
Ask Arkansas I-130, I mean I-69, apparently I mean I-49.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: froggie on April 30, 2011, 04:39:14 PM
You mean I-49.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 30, 2011, 11:52:37 PM
Quote from: AlpsROADS on April 30, 2011, 02:35:00 PM
Quote from: deanej on April 29, 2011, 10:43:45 AM
Why would you go through the process of getting one number if you're just going to change it?
Ask Arkansas I-130, I mean I-69.

Don't forget Arkansas I-540 (Northern segment), I mean I-49.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Alps on May 01, 2011, 02:34:13 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 30, 2011, 11:52:37 PM
Quote from: AlpsROADS on April 30, 2011, 02:35:00 PM
Quote from: deanej on April 29, 2011, 10:43:45 AM
Why would you go through the process of getting one number if you're just going to change it?
Ask Arkansas I-130, I mean I-69, no, really, 49, sorry.

Don't forget Arkansas I-540 (Northern segment), I mean I-49.
I-164, I-69, but that's different. 130 is being planned with the knowledge that 49 is coming. I don't know that 540 was the same.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: UptownRoadGeek on May 01, 2011, 01:14:07 PM
Anyone know where I could find a map of the proposed 73 and 74 routes?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Buummu on May 01, 2011, 01:27:29 PM
www.i73.com
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Grzrd on May 01, 2011, 01:56:19 PM
Quote from: UptownRoadGeek on May 01, 2011, 01:14:07 PM
Anyone know where I could find a map of the proposed 73 and 74 routes?
Here is a link to a map of I-73's route from I-81 to North Carolina state line on VDOT's website:
http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/I73/i73-maps.asp#

Here is a link to NCDOT's map of I-73 and I-74 routes:
http://www.ncdot.org/planning/development/TIP/i73and74.htm

Here's a link to SCDOT's I-73 North map:
http://www.i73insc.com/northern_map.shtml

And, a link to SCDOT's I-73 South map:
http://www.i73insc.com/southern_map_detail.shtml
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Revive 755 on May 01, 2011, 02:38:11 PM
Is it just me, or does that U-turn on I-74 in eastern NC look kind of screwed up?  Seems it should go south from Whiteville into SC, or east into Wilmington, not go halfway to Wilmington and change its mind.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Grzrd on May 01, 2011, 03:17:30 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on May 01, 2011, 02:38:11 PM
Is it just me, or does that U-turn on I-74 in eastern NC look kind of screwed up?  Seems it should go south from Whiteville into SC, or east into Wilmington, not go halfway to Wilmington and change its mind.
Here is a link to NCDOT's I-74 Feasibility Study for this area (click on the I-74 Feasibility Study Report pdf link toward the bottom of the page):
http://www.ncdot.org/projects/I74feasibility/

There are maps on pages 31/46 and 32/46  of the above pdf which shows how I-74 would fit into North Carolina's looooong-term transportation strategy.  The maps include an extension of I-20 from Florence, SC to Wilmington; I-74 and I-20 multiplex for a relatively short distance, and then I-74 branches off and I-20 continues into Wilmington.  Also, the maps assume I-74 will have a terminus in Myrtle Beach; I-74, after leaving I-20, goes down to the US 17 corridor and follows it to Myrtle Beach.  All of which sorta/kinda explains the U-turn.  I doublechecked: NCDOT does not have a Fictional Projects page  :-D.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on May 01, 2011, 06:38:37 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on May 01, 2011, 02:38:11 PM
Is it just me, or does that U-turn on I-74 in eastern NC look kind of screwed up?  Seems it should go south from Whiteville into SC, or east into Wilmington, not go halfway to Wilmington and change its mind.

Well considering congress legislated I-74 to go to South Carolina.  Although, that hasn't stopped some for arguing I-74 to go to Wilmington.

As for the I-20 proposal, that came directly from former Governor Mike Easley.  When first proposed, South Carolina had no comment - which pretty much meant they aren't interested.

http://web.duke.edu/~rmalme/prog74.html

http://web.duke.edu/~rmalme/i74seg18.html#i20nc

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Revive 755 on May 01, 2011, 06:51:39 PM
I'm still not seeing why a corridor generally along NC 130 or NC 905 wasn't considered.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on May 01, 2011, 07:42:57 PM
Because they knew folks from outside the area and suggested it - and decided against it.  Honestly, I don't know and really at this point does it matter on the corridor.  It's not even going to see daylight until well after 2020, and so many things can change between now and then that they could move I-74 to Wilmington (they've already moved it to Myrle Beach from Charleston), they could renumber it, they could ditch the whole thing, who knows what.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Grzrd on May 02, 2011, 08:34:04 PM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on April 27, 2011, 01:48:47 PM
Not so fast ... there are a few more steps to clear before dirt will fly."

Here is a new BIG step to clear; EPA is asking Army Corps of Engineers to deny wetlands permit for South Carolina I-73 construction:

http://www.thesunnews.com/2011/04/30/2130223/frozen-in-midstride.html

Quote
... In a March 28 letter, the EPA asked the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to deny a wetlands permit, saying an upgrade to existing roads might be preferable.
The federal agency said the state had relied on outdated data to justify the highway and newer information shows that modifying current roads could cause less harm to the environment. If road proponents can't mollify the EPA, the agency could see that the permit is never approved. The corps has federal jurisdiction to issue wetland permits, but the EPA can take control of a permit and deny it if the agency thinks the environmental impacts are too substantial.
Transportation officials have so far been silent on the EPA's missive, but the hurdle this creates could be significant for the Grand Strand's proposed connection to the interstate highway system ...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Grzrd on May 04, 2011, 01:59:44 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on May 02, 2011, 08:34:04 PM
In a March 28 letter, the EPA asked the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to deny a wetlands permit, saying an upgrade to existing roads might be preferable.

EPA sent another letter on April 28, which speaks in even more forceful terms about why a wetlands permit should be denied for I-73, and also suggests an upgrade of S.C. 38/US 501 as a preferred alternative:

http://www.thestate.com/2011/05/04/1804415/epa-fights-beach-freeway.html

Quote
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's top regional official recommends denying a wetlands permit for a new freeway to Myrtle Beach, saying Interstate 73 "will have substantial and unacceptable impacts'' on important natural areas of eastern South Carolina, according to a letter released Tuesday.
Regional administrator Gwendolyn Keyes Fleming's involvement escalates a growing dispute between government regulators and boosters of Interstate 73, a long-anticipated road that would cut through about 80 miles of the state's rural Pee Dee region between McColl and Conway .... the Keyes Fleming letter, dated April 28, is a significant warning that could force changes in the road's design – and ultimately denial of a wetlands permit if those plans aren't altered. To build the road, the state Department of Transportation wants to fill 272 acres of wetlands, an unusually large amount in South Carolina.
The Keyes Fleming letter, written to the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, is the second by the agency in a month urging denial of a wetlands permit for I-73. A letter last month said the DOT had used flawed data in studying the best route for the road, estimated to cost $2.4 billion in South Carolina. The most recent letter has greater weight than the previous letter, written March 28, because it was signed by Keyes Fleming, instead of a lower level staff member ...
Officials with the S.C. Department of Transportation, which applied for a wetlands permit from the Corps of Engineers, declined to talk about the matter this week. Corps officials had no timetable on a decision for the wetlands permit ...
In the April 28 letter, Keyes Fleming suggested that one of the existing routes to the beach could be upgraded more cheaply and with less damage to the environment than constructing the proposed new road. The letter urges more study of alternate routes.
"EPA recommends the consideration of (the) existing S.C. 38/U.S. 501 route, along with phased upgrades, as the preferred alternative for the I-73 corridor, as it is an existing four-lane highway with upgrade potential,"  she wrote. "This recommendation is proposed as a lower impact alternative."

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It's an overreach by unelected bureaucrats,'' ... "We're going to fight that.'
So says South Carolina US Senator Lindsey Graham.
http://www.thestate.com/2011/05/05/1805877/graham-blasts-epa-for-opposing.html

The article suggests that the EPA may be receiving some guidance from the Southern Environmental Law Center.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Grzrd on June 10, 2011, 11:19:16 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on April 27, 2011, 02:20:48 PM
The I-73 project is one of several that SCDOT has approved in anticipation of the joint bond issue, and SCDOT is soliciting comments on these projects until May 26

In terms of the people who bothered to submit comments during the Comment Period, overwhelming support exists for the I-95/I-73 interchange project:

http://www.thesunnews.com/2011/06/10/2213214/comments-show-support-for-interstate.html

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Debate over Interstate 73 could heat up in Columbia next week ... The S.C. Department of Transportation commissioners will get an update Thursday on its proposed $344 million bond package, which includes part of I-73 at Interstate 95 and four other projects ... The list of projects racked up 1,098 comments during the 30-day comment period, with 894 supporting the bond proposal and 204 opposing it, according to an e-mail sent to the commissioners ... Of those supporting the bond package, 873 specifically were in support of I-73 while 21 gave general support of the bond package, according to the e-mail. Of the comments opposed to the bond package, 162 specifically opposed I-73, while 42 opposed the bond package ... "The people overwhelmingly support it,"  said Danny Isaac of Myrtle Beach, chairman of the DOT commissioners ... Isaac said he expects a tame meeting Thursday, saying six of the seven commissioners support I-73 and the piece of the project in the bond package, which would build an I-73 interchange at I-95 and five miles of the road to Latta ... Even if it has the support, the I-73 project still has a ways to go before construction can start in South Carolina. The comment period was required before projects can be added to the Statewide Transportation Improvement Plan, and funding must be identified before they can be added, DOT spokesman Pete Poore said ... "Before the bonds can be considered for approval, SCDOT would need to fine tune project costs, bond draw-down schedules, timing of the bond issues, etc.,"  he said. "Once this is all nailed down, then approvals need to come from the Joint Bond Review Committee, State Treasurer and the Budget and Control Board."  ...  DOT aims to go to the Joint Bond Review Committee between November and January, Poore said. Isaac aims to have the permit from the U.S. Corps of Engineers by February. I-73 would pass through four counties in South Carolina -- Horry, Marion, Marlboro and Dillon -- and is estimated to cost about $2 billion ... "It still has to go through many steps,"  Poore said. "It's always a long process.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Jerseyman4 on July 30, 2011, 05:04:48 PM
Only my 2nd post... forgive me if this particular discussion has been talked about already:

I think the biggest problem with I-73 and I-74 in North Carolina is the area between Asheboro and Randleman. The state has no long-term plans to widen it to 6 lanes and make improvements to the 4 lane freeway with consolidating exits along the Asheboro bypass. Heres why: Asheboro has a lot of commuters going to Greensboro which seems to double the AADT counts after the US 64 exit. Secondly, there are too many exits between US 64 and the Vision Drive Exit with left/right lane exit ramps. Third, what is going to happen with I-74 being completed from Mount Airy/VA State line to Randleman where all of the out of state traffic (OH, WV, MI) bombard the multiplex section between Randleman and Asheboro? It will be interesting how much traffic would potentially increase when US 311/I-74 connects US 220/I-73 in Randleman from the Center Square Road exit in the coming months around 2012. US 220/I-73 north of Randleman should see fewer through traffic from out of state vacationers.
Title: First I-73 Dirt Soon To Be Turned in S.C.?
Post by: Grzrd on September 17, 2011, 11:30:16 AM
Project involving what will arguably be first I-73 dirt turned in South Carolina has been approved by SCDOT, should begin in a couple of months, and should be completed in 2013:
http://www.thesunnews.com/2011/09/15/2391106/i-73-project-gets-boost.html

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The first construction work associated with controversial Interstate 73 won approval from state road commissioners Thursday in a decision heavily criticized by opponents of the $2 billion freeway into Myrtle Beach ... In the next three months, construction crews are expected to begin rebuilding a bridge that would later make it easier to construct the superhighway through eastern South Carolina, according to the S.C. Department of Transportation. The work would be done sometime in 2013 ...Critics said the state Transportation Commission's 5-1 vote for the relatively small bridge project — costing $11.5 million — is an attempt to jump start the interstate project, which is drawing increasing scrutiny over its cost and environmental impact on eastern South Carolina ...  Commissioner Sarah Nuckles, who voted against the bridge work, said the commission's vote is a bigger deal than many people might realize ... "This is the first dirt moved"  for I-73, Nuckles said. "This is very significant."  ... Thursday's decision awards the work to a company to begin the bridge project near Latta in Dillon County. The work will make it easier to build an interchange linking I-73 to I-95, officials said. The interchange would cross Interstate 95 ... "The bridge ..... will be replaced with a longer bridge with a higher vertical clearance,"  the DOT said in a statement after Thursday's meeting. "This bridge must be replaced to accommodate the future ramps associated with the I-95/I-73 interchange."  ... But even if I-73 is never constructed, agency officials insisted the bridge work approved Thursday will make roads safer and easier to travel in rural eastern South Carolina. In addition to a new bridge across I-95, the project also will widen parts of two roads, U.S. 501 and S.C. 301, and make interchange improvements near the path of the proposed interstate ...  "It is a complementary part of it that would be necessary to accommodate I-73, yes,"  said John Walsh, the DOT's deputy secretary for engineering. "The beauty of the project is that it also is a valid, stand-alone project."  ...

Also, here is a link to a video report about an I-73 public forum that was held in Florence Sept. 16:
http://www.carolinalive.com/news/story.aspx?id=664128

Here's a link to an article about the Sept. 16 meeting containing an exchange between a coastal politician and an Upstate SCDOT Commissioner/I-73 opponent which reflects the interstate haves vs have-nots tension also seen in similar debates in other states:
http://www.thesunnews.com/2011/09/16/2391976/opponents-expected-at-meeting.html

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Sarah Nuckles, a DOT commissioner from Rock Hill who opposes the road, said there is no justification for the expense, and that people will come to Myrtle Beach anyway. She also questioned the accuracy of economic projections and expected job creation.
Rep. Nelson Hardwick, R-Surfside Beach, stood up and waved his arm and cried out for her attention.
``Has I-85 been good for the Upstate?'' he asked her.
``Yes it has,'' Nuckles said.
``Thank you,'' Hardwick replied.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jwolfer on September 26, 2011, 11:34:49 AM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on May 01, 2011, 07:42:57 PM
...... It's not even going to see daylight until well after 2020, and so many things can change between now and then that they could move I-74 to Wilmington (they've already moved it to Myrle Beach from Charleston), they could renumber it, they could ditch the whole thing, who knows what.

I like renumbering US 74  to I-28  from I-26 thru Charlotte and on to Wilmington.  Don't even bother with the I-74 wet dream through VA, WV and OH.  Maybe would have happened in 1955 but never now.  Not to mention having I-74 coming down to the I-2x territory and duplicate of US 74 and I-74 in the same state and on the same road
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Grzrd on November 15, 2011, 04:29:56 PM
Facing the grim reality of scarce state and federal funds, Horry County, S.C. is considering using local funding to pay for I-73: either an extension of a 1 1/2% hospitality tax or implementation of a 1% increase in the sales tax:
http://www.thesunnews.com/2011/11/14/2493997/an-i-73-plan-if-we-want-it.html

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... here's the idea in a nutshell:
The county's tax funds from RIDE — the Road Improvement Development Effort that built much of S.C. 31, S.C. 22 and dozens of other projects — are scheduled to come to an end at the close of 2021. In fact, because the 1.5 percent tax on lodging, restaurants and attractions is authorized to collect only so much money and revenues have been higher than expected, it could end as soon as 2020.
Gray and others are hoping to extend that RIDE tax for up to 20 more years to pay for construction of I-73, at least from the road's interchange with I-95 near Florence to its Grand Strand terminus at S.C. 22. Barring that, another option under consideration is to let the hospitality tax lapse and instead enact a 1 percent sales tax across the board to help pay for the highway ...

Here's a link to an earlier, Nov. 7, article:
http://www.thesunnews.com/2011/11/07/2486023/myrtle-beach-horry-county-and.html

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Building the I-73 connector between I-95 and S.C. 38 is possible using Horry County RIDE 1 sales tax money ... said Myrtle Beach City Councilman Wayne Gray at Monday's joint meeting between the city, the county and members of the legislative delegation.
Gray asked the officials present to consider forming a committee to explore the ideas of using some of the RIDE 1 1.5-cent sales tax revenue for the project, or extending the tax past its sunset date in 2023 to pay the estimated $600 million bill.
He said he recognizes that people will ask why Horry County tax funds should be used to build a project in Dillon, Marion and Williamsburg counties.
"Because it's the right thing to do,"  Gray said. "We will be the biggest beneficiary of that road."  ...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on December 27, 2011, 08:57:30 AM
Bob Malme reviews 2011 and previews 2012 for I-73:

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2011/12/i-73i-74-in-nc-year-in-review-part-1.html

He gives an update on the Asheboro US 220 improvement projects and discusses the I-73 contracts that will be out to bid in 2012 including the first part (of 3) of the NC 68/US 220 connector north of Greensboro, and the first segment of the Rockingham Bypass that will connect existing I-73/74/US 220 to the US 74/Future I-74 route south of Rockingham.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on December 27, 2011, 01:00:39 PM
And Bob has the 2011 year in review for I-74 in NC up as well:

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2011/12/i-73i-74-in-nc-year-in-review-part-2.html

Also, the King/Tobaccoville interchange reconstruction on US 52 (Future I-74) is finished, upgraded to standards, and the roadway was configured for possible expansion to six lanes.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on January 17, 2012, 02:04:31 PM
A unit of Michael Baker Corporation has been selected to do the final design for the 5.7 mile segment of I-73 in South Carolina from I-95 to US 501.

The contract award was $5.1 million - nothing in this press release on when this step will be completed or when construction will begin.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/baker-selected-by-south-carolina-dot-to-design-new-section-of-interstate-highway-2012-01-16
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on February 03, 2012, 02:15:06 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on May 01, 2011, 02:38:11 PM
Is it just me, or does that U-turn on I-74 in eastern NC look kind of screwed up?  Seems it should go south from Whiteville into SC, or east into Wilmington, not go halfway to Wilmington and change its mind.

I think it's hilarious...what should happen is that I-74 should end in Wilmington at the eventual extension of I-140, and if the Carolina Bays Parkway is extended north from SC, then it could be an I-x74 North/South designation. (or it could also be an I-x73 since it will come via the Conway By-Pass)

I-20 is a pipedream, it'll never reach the border of SC/NC. just sayin.

Fixed quote. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4000.0) - rmf67
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on February 03, 2012, 03:31:30 AM
An I-20 extension would be pointless. It would be 70 miles long yet only save 10 miles over the I-95 to I-74 route.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on February 06, 2012, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: NE2 on February 03, 2012, 03:31:30 AM
An I-20 extension would be pointless. It would be 70 miles long yet only save 10 miles over the I-95 to I-74 route.
Besides, it could've been extended to Myrtle Beach when the opportunity was there years ago; that would've been a better eastern terminus than Wilmington.

Quote from: jcarte29 on February 03, 2012, 02:15:06 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on May 01, 2011, 02:38:11 PM
Is it just me, or does that U-turn on I-74 in eastern NC look kind of screwed up?  Seems it should go south from Whiteville into SC, or east into Wilmington, not go halfway to Wilmington and change its mind.

I think it's hilarious...what should happen is that I-74 should end in Wilmington at the eventual extension of I-140, and if the Carolina Bays Parkway is extended north from SC, then it could be an I-x74 North/South designation. (or it could also be an I-x73 since it will come via the Conway By-Pass)

I-20 is a pipedream, it'll never reach the border of SC/NC. just sayin.

Fixed quote. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4000.0) - rmf67
I like that idea! I think an I-x73 number would be a better fit for the highway, since the first piece of I-73 is already there.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on March 09, 2012, 06:37:25 PM
NCDOT awards project on another small piece of I-73 in Greensboro. This is on one of the multiple segments of the US 220/NC 68 connector that will become I-73.

https://apps.dot.state.nc.us/pio/releases/details.aspx?r=6158

Bob Malme has more - including some signing samples - on the blog:
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2012/03/ncdot-awards-next-i-73-project.html
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 13, 2012, 12:39:45 PM
Does anyone have any pictures or updates (besides looking at the "progress report" from NCDOT) on the last piece of the I-74/US 311 connector to Randleman?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on March 13, 2012, 12:45:58 PM
Quote from: jcarte29 on March 13, 2012, 12:39:45 PM
Does anyone have any pictures or updates (besides looking at the "progress report" from NCDOT) on the last piece of the I-74/US 311 connector to Randleman?
From October: http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2011/12/i-73i-74-in-nc-year-in-review-part-2.html
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 05, 2012, 03:19:14 PM
Thought that since I've joined this forum, I would post my own I-73/74 info instead of you having to rely on others to forward it to those who are interested.

Latest I-73/I-74 in NC news since the year in review blog post:
1. The US 311 Bypass (I-74) project is 85.8% complete as of the end of April. Not much progress has occurred in the past couple months as progress has only gone up about 2%. Still NCDOT is forecasting an October 2012 opening. My local contact in the Randleman area reports all the bridges are complete, except for work on the railroad bridge just south of the future freeway interchange with current 311. I will be heading to NC next month for 8 weeks and hope to get new photos of the construction work.

2. US 220 (Future I-73/74) through Asheboro. Construction, according to NCDOT, is 72.3% complete as of the end of April. Work is proceeding on the left-hand shoulders north of US 64/NC 49. The project south of there to NC 134/Business 220 is mostly complete. My contact reports new exit signage along with new exit numbers have gone up along this stretch (for those with exit lists at home, the new numbers are 68 for NC 134/Business 220 and 71 for McConnell Rd). According to an Asheboro newspaper article in March, the remainder of the new signage and exit numbers in the project area should go up at work's completion, currently scheduled for late October. NCDOT has a project to update signage and exit numbers south of Asheboro to Ellerbe, but that will not start until the summer of 2013. Until then probably some motorist confusion. North of Asheboro, the numbers will probably be changed to I-73 mileage too, at least up to the I-74 interchange, at the conclusion of that project.

3. Work started last month on the US 220 widening phase of the US 220-NC 68 Connector Project which will take I-73 north of Greensboro, and perhaps eventually to VA. Work on the Connector won't start for another couple years, but the beginning of the interchange between the Connector and US 220 will be started as part of the current project. For those who haven't seen my blog post:
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2012/03/ncdot-awards-next-i-73-project.html (http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2012/03/ncdot-awards-next-i-73-project.html)

4. For those that did not see the year-in-review blog post referred to in earlier posts, the FHWA has allowed NCDOT to sign the US 220 freeway as an interstate, both north of Asheboro and south of Candor once the construction project in Asheboro is complete. It will be interesting to see how quick the Future I-73 (I-73/I-74) shields are replaced in those sections. That's all I have for now.

I-73/I-74 in NC: (as of now still updated through the Fall of 2010): http://www.duke.edu/~rmalme/prog7374.html (http://www.duke.edu/~rmalme/prog7374.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on June 16, 2012, 05:38:02 PM
Last Weekend, Bob, Chris Allen, and I did some exploring on the progress of I-74 in Randolph County.

Bob's Roadtrip Report:
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2012/06/road-trip-along-i-73i-74-corridor.html

My photo set:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamontheroad/sets/72157630150484034/
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on June 17, 2012, 01:36:46 PM
Thank you guys for the updates on 73/74. I remember about 15 years ago when I first traveled the first completed by-pass work south of Candor, and even though I don't live in that area anymore, I am still very interested in its progress (hometown Winston-Salem). Much appreciated!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CarolinaPaladin on June 18, 2012, 12:30:35 AM
Does anyone know if a route connecting I-73/I-74 in Randleman to US-64 toward Siler City or to US-421 towrad Liberty is somewhere in the pipeline?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 20, 2012, 01:53:13 PM
I can't be more than happy for how NC and SC is trying to make the interstates come true. I dont know about Virginia though.. I think that in the future, I-73 will just exist from Roanoke to Myrtle Beach, and I-74 from I-81 southward as well.

Is there more pictures on the US 220 improvements though Asheboro? Just wondering.

When is the new updated I-73/74 website up and running?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on June 20, 2012, 02:23:40 PM
Quote from: CarolinaPaladin on June 18, 2012, 12:30:35 AM
Does anyone know if a route connecting I-73/I-74 in Randleman to US-64 toward Siler City or to US-421 towrad Liberty is somewhere in the pipeline?
The only new highway in the pipeline for that area is the US 64 bypass of Asheboro, which will be built south of town. It will run between town and the zoo. It will provide a highway access to the zoo. The long term intent is for US 64 to be four laned with freeway bypasses of towns for its entire length. However, no proposals for bypasses of Siler City and Ramseur have surfaced yet.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 21, 2012, 11:02:52 PM
Quote from: Strider on June 20, 2012, 01:53:13 PM
I can't be more than happy for how NC and SC is trying to make the interstates come true. I dont know about Virginia though.. I think that in the future, I-73 will just exist from Roanoke to Myrtle Beach, and I-74 from I-81 southward as well.

Is there more pictures on the US 220 improvements though Asheboro? Just wondering.

When is the new updated I-73/74 website up and running?
Hopefully, within the next few weeks. I have to update my original 2010 web page files with new info and photos and then work on uploading everything to a new server (while I'm back at Duke, my volunteer status prevents me from accessing my files on their server). Meanwhile, any new I-73/74 info will be posted here.

I have several more pics of the Asheboro area that will be posted on the web page, when it is up. Next time, hope to get shots heading northbound.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on August 13, 2012, 10:55:16 AM
Bad and good news to report on the two I-73 and I-74 construction projects going on in NC. First the bad, due to delays in completing two bridges and possibly other problems, the completion date for the I-74 freeway between Cedar Square Road and US 220 has been pushed back from late October to the end of 2012. The good news is the reconstruction project for US 220 through Asheboro is still scheduled to be completed in about 2 months, on October 16. Most of the remaining construction work surrounds the NC 42, left side, interchange.

You can view the latest photos of the I-74 construction progress in my latest blog entry:
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2012/08/last-pre-opening-i-74-freeway-progress.html (http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2012/08/last-pre-opening-i-74-freeway-progress.html) it has links to my prior post covering progress in completing I-73/74 through Asheboro.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 03, 2012, 10:38:51 PM
On the 10th anniversary of the debut of my I-73/I-74 in NC website, I have revised and updated the pages with information through this past August and have placed them on a new server. The new URL is: <url>http://web.simmons.edu/~malme/prog7374.html</url>

I am still in the process of placing the latest photos from this past summer on some of the pages. Given my current residence in MA, I would welcome any updates or photos from anywhere along the I-73/I-74 corridor. Contact information is listed on the main page. Comments or suggestions about the site are appreciated.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on September 04, 2012, 12:59:17 PM
Nice-looking and informative website, as usual.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 09, 2012, 11:07:15 AM
Good News/Bad News on the I-73/I-74 in NC front. The good news is that the project to improve US 220 through Asheboro is ahead of schedule. NCDOT reports its 99.1% done as of 9/30 and to be completed next week (10/16). This will allow NCDOT to sign the rest of US 220 north to I-85 in Greensboro as official I-73 or I-73/I-74 (though this may not happen until next summer). Also the US 311, I-74 freeway project was 95% complete at the end of September. While press reports indicate a December completion, at this rate it could be open sooner.

The bad news is the letting of the first part of the US 220 Rockingham Bypass has been delayed from next month to May 2013 due to unresolved issues regarding the moving of utilities in the highway ROW. This will not delay the completion of the entire project, however, since the next 2 parts are not scheduled for construction until 2019.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Alps on October 10, 2012, 11:55:04 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on October 09, 2012, 11:07:15 AM
Good News/Bad News on the I-73/I-74 in NC front. The good news is that the project to improve US 220 through Asheboro is ahead of schedule. NCDOT reports its 99.1% done as of 9/30 and to be completed next week (10/16). This will allow NCDOT to sign the rest of US 220 north to I-85 in Greensboro as official I-73 or I-73/I-74 (though this may not happen until next summer). Also the US 311, I-74 freeway project was 95% complete at the end of September. While press reports indicate a December completion, at this rate it could be open sooner.

Cool. I'll be past there Monday and make sure to take a look.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on October 11, 2012, 12:31:23 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on September 03, 2012, 10:38:51 PM
On the 10th anniversary of the debut of my I-73/I-74 in NC website, I have revised and updated the pages with information through this past August and have placed them on a new server. The new URL is: <url>http://web.simmons.edu/~malme/prog7374.html</url>


I am still in the process of placing the latest photos from this past summer on some of the pages. Given my current residence in MA, I would welcome any updates or photos from anywhere along the I-73/I-74 corridor. Contact information is listed on the main page. Comments or suggestions about the site are appreciated.


So did I see right that there are I-74 mile markers in Forsyth County as of July 2012?!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 15, 2012, 09:57:28 PM
Two new items on I-73/I-74. First, a couple travelers up the US 220 corridor report that I-73/74 is signed officially through Asheboro as far north as Vision Drive with the completion of the upgrade project. The new exit signs all have I-73 mileposts, and the most northern reads mile 75. Once the FHWA signs off on the completion of the Asheboro upgrade project, NCDOT can replace the Future I-73 signs north to I-85 in Greensboro with official I-73 shields (and Future I-74 north with official I-74 shields as far north as Randleman). They can also replace all the future signs south to Ellerbe as well. This may not happen though (with the exception of the stretch between Asheboro and the I-74 freeway when it opens) until a contract to replace all the exit signs is let sometime in 2013.
Second, NCDOT has posted letters on its Route Changes webpage sent to the FHWA Regional Office in Raleigh requesting the remainder of the US 311 Bypass freeway from Cedar Square Rd to US 220 be added to the Interstate system as I-74 and that the FHWA recognize US 311 between I-40 and High Point as Future I-74. The first is largely a formality, however the second is interesting for 2 reasons, one-they've had this route signed as Future I-74 since 2008 and two-the official I-74 is supposed to leave US 311 on the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway before hitting I-40. Perhaps they want to tie the western end into an Interstate, or its a contingency plan in case the Beltway completion is put on hold and they get permission to route I-74 through Winston-Salem, at least temporarily.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on October 16, 2012, 06:32:54 AM
Bob, that is an amazing development and update. Thank you for all your hard work with information from  those projects. As a native to Winston-Salem, I am giddy to think that we will finally get recognition for I-74, besides one little "future corridor sign" on each side of the highway.

So I guess I still have 2 questions though...

To your last point, would a waiver be granted to take away the "future" on I-74 in Forsyth County so (as you speculated) it ties in to an interstate (40) even though the
Long term plan is to turn it north by union cross rd along the eastern belt line? (which I think we all realize is a long ways off). I used to travel that section of 311 back and forth when I worked in HP and even though the shoulders might not be interstate standards, the exits are IMHO.

And 2, is the last leg of the HP east belt still scheduled for completion by the end of the year? would this mean I-74 is official from ellerbe to High Point? That was the only part of your post I was a bit confused about...

Thanks and I also  enjoy the blog and your site dedicated to 73/74 on the new server...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 16, 2012, 11:18:15 AM
Quote from: jcarte29 on October 16, 2012, 06:32:54 AM
So I guess I still have 2 questions though...

To your last point, would a waiver be granted to take away the "future" on I-74 in Forsyth County so (as you speculated) it ties in to an interstate (40) even though the
Long term plan is to turn it north by union cross rd along the eastern belt line? (which I think we all realize is a long ways off). I used to travel that section of 311 back and forth when I worked in HP and even though the shoulders might not be interstate standards, the exits are IMHO.

And 2, is the last leg of the HP east belt still scheduled for completion by the end of the year? would this mean I-74 is official from ellerbe to High Point? That was the only part of your post I was a bit confused about...

Thanks and I also  enjoy the blog and your site dedicated to 73/74 on the new server...
Thanks for the site comments. As to your questions: NCDOT's letter to the FHWA regarding the future I-74 designation implies that, at least for now, they're not considering applying for a waiver for US 311 in Forsyth. I agree the major issues are with the shoulders and not the exits. Ironically though, as shown with the waivers allowed through the Asheboro area regarding the current exits there, the FHWA seems more concerned with getting the shoulders up to standard before granting interstate status than deficiencies in off and on-ramps.

Yes, when I-74 is completed by the end of the year, the route will be official (though it may not be signed that way in some places for a while) from High Point to just beyond Ellerbe. And you will be able to take an uninterrupted 4-lane road without stoplights, mostly freeway, if not an interstate, all the way from Mt. Airy to just north of Rockingham. The Future/I-74 route from I-40 to I-73 should be helpful to people going to Asheboro and points further south and east from the Winston-Salem area and back wanting to avoid Greensboro.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on October 17, 2012, 07:21:18 PM
Just saw a story (link below) on Fox8 WGHP High-Point that completion of I-74 8 mile stretch has been pushed back *again* to...get this...April 2013! :-/

http://myfox8.com/2012/10/10/311-bypass-project-delayed-again/
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 17, 2012, 09:39:14 PM
Delayed again? Wow. I was so looking forward to drive on the new road. oh well, at least it's not delayed one year. I wonder if that will affect the signing of I-73 north to Greensboro since now the opening is delayed. Does everyone have the pictures of the I-73/I-74 completed through Asheboro? I would like to see them.

I also wonder if US 220 will be moved back to the old routing (from where I-73/US 220 meets Business 220 at Level Cross exit) or? I know that NCDOT put US 117 back on its original routing after I-795 is signed..
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on October 21, 2012, 10:08:39 PM
I finally got a chance to drive segment 8 of I-73 today....looked great. I took pictures and will upload them later, or send them to Adam Prince, whichever is easier. As predicted signs changed to "future" once I reached segment 7, except overhead.

I was also excited to see the skinny I-74 mile posts *inside* Forsyth County, even though it was "Future I-74" along US 311.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 22, 2012, 10:31:38 AM
Quote from: jcarte29 on October 21, 2012, 10:08:39 PM
I finally got a chance to drive segment 8 of I-73 today....looked great. I took pictures and will upload them later, or send them to Adam Prince, whichever is easier. As predicted signs changed to "future" once I reached segment 7, except overhead.

I was also excited to see the skinny I-74 mile posts *inside* Forsyth County, even though it was "Future I-74" along US 311.
I would be happy to post some of your photos once you upload then on my Segment 8 page, as well. Contact info on the main page http://www.simmons.edu/~malme/prog7374.html (http://www.simmons.edu/~malme/prog7374.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on October 22, 2012, 10:34:17 AM
Please send them to Bob...I don't have time to really work on anything at this point.  He'll be able to add them to his site and/or the blog a lot quicker than I could.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on October 22, 2012, 10:44:50 AM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on October 22, 2012, 10:34:17 AM
Please send them to Bob...I don't have time to really work on anything at this point.  He'll be able to add them to his site and/or the blog a lot quicker than I could.

I will do that, I am still out of town but I don't work again until tomorrow so I'll get time to upload them tonight at home. Happy to help, I'm sure the drivers on the highway thought I was crazy or in distress on the side of the road haha, stayed in the car most of the time though. Took the pics with my iPad, which did an awesome job IMHO.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 22, 2012, 01:00:43 PM
jcarte29, I am glad you took pictures of that segment. I am not in NC at this time, but I wanted to see how it look like. So exciting that NC is finally about to sign I-73 north to Greensboro (especially on the overhead boards that needs to be signed.. whether it is "Future" or "Interstate". Still disappointed about the delay of US 311 bypass though.

Also I am excited about NC moving their 73/74 projects faster. Hopefully SC and VA will do the same. (I know they have their own issues to deal with)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on October 22, 2012, 05:40:52 PM
I think NC is really the only state that interested in I-73 and I-74; they seem to be dragging the other states along.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 22, 2012, 11:19:50 PM
Yeah and they are also the first state to sign I-73/I-74. so yes they are really interested into signing them around the state.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on October 23, 2012, 10:44:48 AM
Well, I hope my pictures got to Bob, I received an immediate "undeliverable" but I think it was because of my old school email addy, I cc'd it so I could check and see if it worked lol. But now that the pictures are on my computer, I can post to Flickr (sp?) or any other method you might see fit...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on October 23, 2012, 10:48:12 AM
Quote from: Strider on October 22, 2012, 01:00:43 PM
...Hopefully SC and VA will do the same. (I know they have their own issues to deal with)

SC looks like it will, VA is going to be years and years away, IMHO.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on October 23, 2012, 10:48:25 AM
you can always post to the Southeast Roads Facebook Group
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on October 23, 2012, 10:54:51 AM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on October 23, 2012, 10:48:25 AM
you can always post to the Southeast Roads Facebook Group

great idea, just sent the "request" to be added. Didnt even know bout it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on October 23, 2012, 11:28:36 AM
Quote from: deanej on October 22, 2012, 05:40:52 PM
I think NC is really the only state that interested in I-73 and I-74; they seem to be dragging the other states along.
Quote from: jcarte29 on October 23, 2012, 10:48:12 AM
Quote from: Strider on October 22, 2012, 01:00:43 PM
...Hopefully SC and VA will do the same. (I know they have their own issues to deal with)

SC looks like it will, VA is going to be years and years away, IMHO.
As this would be entirely east of I-77, and I-75 for that matter, this, at the very least, should've been a southern extension of I-79! In fact, I have some old atlases with that route drawn in, using parts of the I-73 and I-74 as proposed here.

Unless WV, OH and MI reconsider their decisions, the number as it is makes absolutely no sense at all. Then again, I-99 is so far west of I-95 that this would be rendered moot.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 23, 2012, 12:11:35 PM
Quote from: jcarte29 on October 22, 2012, 10:44:50 AM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on October 22, 2012, 10:34:17 AM
Please send them to Bob...I don't have time to really work on anything at this point.  He'll be able to add them to his site and/or the blog a lot quicker than I could.

I will do that, I am still out of town but I don't work again until tomorrow so I'll get time to upload them tonight at home. Happy to help, I'm sure the drivers on the highway thought I was crazy or in distress on the side of the road haha, stayed in the car most of the time though. Took the pics with my iPad, which did an awesome job IMHO.
I've posted jcarte29's photos and they are available at:
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2012/10/photos-of-new-i-73i-74-segment-through.html (http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2012/10/photos-of-new-i-73i-74-segment-through.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 23, 2012, 05:44:16 PM
saw the pictures.. they look really good. about time NCDOT did the upgrading to interstate standards the right way. I hope I will make the trip down there myself sometime this year. (I am not in NC at this moment)

However, I wonder why they didn't bother to make I-73/I-74 routes north of Greensboro and northwest of Winston Salem... and the Rockingham Bypass road with jersey medians instead of green medians.. shouldn't that save money down the road?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 03, 2012, 10:28:50 PM
NCDOT has released the plans for the upgrading of signing along what will be I-73 and (south of Randleman) I-74 along the total length of US 220 from Greensboro to Ellerbe (except around Asheboro). The contract will be let later this month. To get a preview of the signs, follow the link (warning: large PDF file):
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Division%208%20Letting/12-11-2012/I-5329_I73-74%20Signing_Final%20
connect.ncdot.gov (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Division%208%20Letting/12-11-2012/I-5329_I73-74%20Signing_Final%20%3Cbr%20/%3Econnect.ncdot.gov)
Check out the switch NCDOT is pulling with US 220, putting it back on its old route from Candor to Ellerbe (what will AASHTO think of that?)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on December 03, 2012, 11:25:40 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on December 03, 2012, 10:28:50 PM
Check out the switch NCDOT is pulling with US 220, putting it back on its old route from Candor to Ellerbe (what will AASHTO think of that?)
If US 117 is any indication, AASHTO won't notice or won't care. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 03, 2012, 11:53:07 PM
Another update on I-73:

I drove on US 220 north of Greensboro. Right now, the road is ongoing a widening project. There are a lot of orange barrels on both sides of the highway. As soon as I drove past Winfree Road, the construction is very noticable. It appears that the new roadway is being built right next to US 220 (on the left of the road, actually). The ramp from I-73 South to US 220 South (the flyover one) is coming nicely. (of course there's no bridge built yet, but if you drive south on US 220 you can clearly see the grading of the highway AND the ramp). From what I assume, the current US 220 will probably become a part of the local road in the future (side road). Seems like there are a lot of roadwork before the US 158 interchange. But after I drive through the US 158 interchange, it seems like the proposed roadway shifts from left side to right side. When I drive through the area again during the daylight, I will take pictures of them. Any ideas who or where I can send the pictures to the I-73/74 website so it can be updated?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on December 04, 2012, 01:20:31 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on December 03, 2012, 10:28:50 PM
NCDOT has released the plans for the upgrading of signing along what will be I-73 and (south of Randleman) I-74 along the total length of US 220 from Greensboro to Ellerbe (except around Asheboro). The contract will be let later this month. To get a preview of the signs, follow the link (warning: large PDF file):
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Division%208%20Letting/12-11-2012/I-5329_I73-74%20Signing_Final%20
connect.ncdot.gov (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Division%208%20Letting/12-11-2012/I-5329_I73-74%20Signing_Final%20%3Cbr%20/%3Econnect.ncdot.gov)
Check out the switch NCDOT is pulling with US 220, putting it back on its old route from Candor to Ellerbe (what will AASHTO think of that?)

Link doesn't work.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 04, 2012, 02:46:50 AM
Quote from: Strider on December 03, 2012, 11:53:07 PM
Any ideas who or where I can send the pictures to the I-73/74 website so it can be updated?

Talk to bob7374 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8125) here.  He's the one that created the I-73/74 NC website. ;)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 04, 2012, 10:50:06 AM

Quote from: Strider on December 03, 2012, 11:53:07 PM
Any ideas who or where I can send the pictures to the I-73/74 website so it can be updated?

Sorry about that, you can try to link through the main page for the December 12 letting here:
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=8&let_date=2012-12-11%2000:00:00 (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=8&let_date=2012-12-11%2000:00:00)
Scroll down the page to TIP No: I-5329 "Upgrade signs to interstate standards along I-73/74 from I-85 in Guilford County to south of Ellerbe in Richmond County." Click on the fifth link down 'signing_final_plans_optm.pdf.' This is working as of this morning.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on December 04, 2012, 01:21:51 PM
Was it also previously known that US 311 would not be paired with I-74 down to I-73/US 220?

News to me, anyway...


Mapmikey
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 04, 2012, 02:06:25 PM
No. US 311 will leave I-74 before the interchange with I-73/US 220. I have no idea why.. since US 311 will end a mile away at I-73/US 220 as well... unless they plan on extending US 311 to end at Business 220 just east of the interchange.


I am not aware that NCDOT plans to move US 220 back on the old route between Candor and Elliebe. (sp?). It is understandable because these towns of Candor, Norman and Elliebe needs a US route to go through their town...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on December 04, 2012, 03:49:28 PM
Mike,

The signing plans for the currently under construction I-74 project and the I-73/74 interchange led to some speculation (I think it was between Bob and myself) that NCDOT was going to route US 311 off of the freeway prior to I-73.  This confirms that speculation. As for why or if anything else will be done is anyone's guess.

Strider,

None of us were aware of the US 220 proposed re-route until Bob gave us the link to the signing plans.  Also, you can contact him in regards to photos.


Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 04, 2012, 08:14:52 PM
I don't know about the proposed re-route of US 220 as well. I guess it's one of NCDOT's secrets.. haha.
Title: S.C.'s I-73: Tolls "Likely" Component of Funding?
Post by: Grzrd on December 07, 2012, 09:50:53 PM
Arguments continue over the legitimacy of various studies regarding I-73 in South Carolina, but this TV video report (http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/20281415/economists-compare-i-73-studies-find-factual-errors) is interesting because it includes a state representative stating that tolls would "likely" be part of a private component of overall funding for I-73.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 07, 2012, 10:05:01 PM
These people needs to stop complaining about studies and all that.. Toll or no toll, I-73 needs to be built so Myrtle Beach will finally be served by an interstate. Have they even thought about it I-73 is built.. it can lead the traffic away so SCDOT may can plan to fix 501 and make the road looks better in the future (of course, money wise).

Why they didn't extend I-20 to Myrtle Beach still puzzles me.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: SP Cook on December 08, 2012, 07:50:51 AM
Quote from: Strider on December 07, 2012, 10:05:01 PM

Why they didn't extend I-20 to Myrtle Beach still puzzles me.

Population of Horry County, 1960:  68K.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on December 08, 2012, 11:27:38 AM
Quote from: Strider on December 07, 2012, 10:05:01 PM
These people needs to stop complaining about studies and all that.. Toll or no toll, I-73 needs to be built so Myrtle Beach will finally be served by an interstate. Have they even thought about it I-73 is built.. it can lead the traffic away so SCDOT may can plan to fix 501 and make the road looks better in the future (of course, money wise).

Why they didn't extend I-20 to Myrtle Beach still puzzles me.

Here Here!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 08, 2012, 09:02:35 PM
either way, it is NICE to have I-73 connect Myrtle Beach with the Triad area.. giving it a straight shot to the popular beach in SC.. hopefully people in SC finally cooperate and let the construction to proceed. If it have to be paid by tolls, so be it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on December 08, 2012, 11:09:21 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on December 08, 2012, 07:50:51 AM
Quote from: Strider on December 07, 2012, 10:05:01 PM

Why they didn't extend I-20 to Myrtle Beach still puzzles me.

Population of Horry County, 1960:  68K.



According to the Book, "The South Carolina Highway Department: 1917-1987" by John Hammond Moore:

Traffic trying to reach Myrtle Beach was thought to be problematic in the late 1950s (notably Marion) where cops had to supplement traffic signals.  It was considered a crisis by 1966.   This was the impetus for the construction of SC 576.

US 501 had already bypassed Conway and multilaned over to the beach in 1959.

My guess is that there was no push for I-20's original plan to go to Myrtle Beach because the state was already addressing it.  Also there were louder voices in SC arguing about I-95 being too far from Charleston and I-26 not going to Greenville among other gripes.

In 1972 a toll road bill existed and two of the projects suggested were a Myrtle Beach connector to I-95 and a Myrtle Beach connector to Rock Hill/Charlotte area.  After several years of study the SCDOT concluded that toll roads in SC would not be workable financially and fee increases to finance projects were shot down by the General Assembly.

The book also notes that then-Senator Hollings tried very hard in 1986 to win federal money for a 69-mile highway from I-95 to Myrtle Beach.  I vaguely remember newspaper articles about extending I-20 from that time or earlier but obviously he was not successful.

South Carolina has tried to relieve traffic by promoting on I-95 more than one way to get over there (US 521 from Manning to Georgetown and US 378 from Turbeville to Conway) and doing spot improvements on those roads.  Then they built the SC 22 freeway.

They made a mistake with the SC 317-becomes US 17 bypass of Myrtle Beach because they didn't make it a full freeway.  That road became unusable as a real bypass pretty quickly necessitating the need for the SC 31 freeway.

Mapmikey
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 09, 2012, 10:55:56 AM
sounded like SCDOT's mistake for not forecasting the growth of Myrtle Beach at that time.

And the previous toll road proposals should have been gone through the General Assembly. Fee increases shouldn't be necessary because SO many traffic heads to Myrtle Beach. It was interesting that the General Assembly shot it down.

I have a bad feeling that tolling the entire I-73 is going to be the only problem-solver in SC.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: StogieGuy7 on December 13, 2012, 04:05:06 PM
OK, there's I-73 and there's the NC part of I-74.  And I am still having trouble understanding why both are needed when they appear to be concurrent for the vast majority of the routing.   

They seem redundant, yet 73 should generally run north-south while 74 should be aligned east-west (roughly).   :hmmm:

It just seems like a waste.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 18, 2012, 10:59:04 PM
Thanks to fellow AA Forum poster, Strider, I have added 7 new photos related to constructing I-73 along current US 220 north of Greensboro. You can access them directly through my I-73 Segment 2 page:
http://web.simmons.edu/~malme/i73seg2.html (http://web.simmons.edu/~malme/i73seg2.html)
I am currently in the process of upgrading my 2002 era web pages by recoding them using HTML 5 and CSS3 style sheets, so I apologize for any glitches or formatting problems that crop while the site is an active construction zone. Besides revising the look of the I-73 segments 6-11 along US 220, I have added new information from plans for the upcoming sign replacement contract. Hopefully, I'll have news on the I-74 freeway soon. Paving is reportedly complete, just lane striping and signs are apparently left, hopefully it will open before April.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 19, 2012, 11:16:31 PM
Hey Bob, was looking at the I-73 Seg 2 page and noticed some errors.

If you look at the bottom of that page, the left and right arrows are enlarged big time (including the I-73 shield) compared to all of your other pages.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 03, 2013, 11:13:24 AM
While awaiting news on the opening date of the I-74 freeway to Randleman, here's my second annual I-73/I-74 Year in Review article I posted on New Year's Eve:
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2012/12/i-73i-74-in-nc-year-in-review-and-2013.html (http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2012/12/i-73i-74-in-nc-year-in-review-and-2013.html)
Enjoy.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 19, 2013, 11:21:17 AM
Some unexpected news regarding I-74. I was checking through the NCDOT Route Changes site when I noticed the I-74 application letter had moved to the approved section. From checking the newly posted material in the most recent I-74 folder, it appears the FHWA has given NCDOT permission to sign the US 311 freeway from I-40 east to High Point (also signed as Future I-74) as a true interstate and that the route has been added to the interstate system.

NCDOT's original application from early in 2012 asked simply that this part of US 311 be confirmed as a future interstate route. In the meanwhile, it appears, NCDOT engineers sent documentation to the FHWA that convinced them that both the older and newer US 311 freeway (from High Point to Cedar Square Rd in Randolph County) were interstate standard. The Oct. 4 letter from the FHWA administrator thus has approved all 22.1 miles of the combined freeway sections as I-74. Do not know when NCDOT plans to upgrade the signage. Maybe something for someone to check out once the other end of the I-74 freeway at US 220 opens (still probably not until spring).

There are other new route change applications of note on the NCDOT page. In particular, they have put in links to applications for I-285 and the East End Connector in Durham (currently, they are not linked to any documentation however).  There are also unlinked new US and state route listings. The route changes page can be reached at:
https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Pages/Route-Changes.aspx (https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Pages/Route-Changes.aspx)
The I-74 documentation is at: https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/2012_10_04.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/2012_10_04.pdf)
I have also updated my I-74 Segment 5 page: http://web.simmons.edu/~malme/i74seg5.html (http://web.simmons.edu/~malme/i74seg5.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: roadman65 on January 19, 2013, 12:03:23 PM
I do not know if this is true as googlemaps are often wrong about designations, but I saw that the Rockingham- Hamlet Bypass of US 74 is officially I-74 and not future I-74 as it has been signed due to lack of connection to other interstates. It was done that way I thought until at least one of the other two freeway segments are completed either north of Rockingham or between Hamlet and Laurinburg.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Rockingham,+NC&hl=en&ll=34.932386,-79.766579&spn=0.142422,0.299034&sll=27.698638,-83.804601&sspn=9.834914,19.138184&oq=roc&t=m&hnear=Rockingham,+Richmond,+North+Carolina&z=12
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on January 19, 2013, 12:24:19 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 19, 2013, 12:03:23 PM
I do not know if this is true as googlemaps are often wrong about designations, but I saw that the Rockingham- Hamlet Bypass of US 74 is officially I-74 and not future I-74 as it has been signed due to lack of connection to other interstates. It was done that way I thought until at least one of the other two freeway segments are completed either north of Rockingham or between Hamlet and Laurinburg.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Rockingham,+NC&hl=en&ll=34.932386,-79.766579&spn=0.142422,0.299034&sll=27.698638,-83.804601&sspn=9.834914,19.138184&oq=roc&t=m&hnear=Rockingham,+Richmond,+North+Carolina&z=12

Roadman, it is signed on the road as "Future I-74." I drove the route a week ago yesterday from Monroe to Wilmington. I took pictures of the completed interchanges with NC 211 and Future I-140 in ENC where I reside. :)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on January 19, 2013, 01:57:57 PM
Bob, after some more digging, I did see that there is a project (DH00095, according to NCDOT) showing for the upgraded signing of I-73/I-74 in Guilford, Randolph, Montgomery, Richmond Counties, showing a completion date for October of this year (2013). Nothing found yet for the project to upgrade signing in Forsyth though (For sure it wouldn't be expensive or take a lot of effort, mile posts are up already.)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on January 22, 2013, 12:48:33 AM
News on a couple projects (of note, 4 are mentioned total) to both widen and improve US 74 (Future I-74) in Eastern North Carolina...


http://fayobserver.com/articles/2013/01/09/1229228?sac=fo.community/columbus
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on January 22, 2013, 08:41:58 AM
Quote from: jcarte29 on January 22, 2013, 12:48:33 AM
News on a couple projects (of note, 4 are mentioned total) to both widen and improve US 74 (Future I-74) in Eastern North Carolina...


http://fayobserver.com/articles/2013/01/09/1229228?sac=fo.community/columbus

The bridge replacement is on US 74 just east of Laurel Hill.  Which will have to be bypassed in some fashion  when US 74 is upgraded from Rockingham to Laurinburg.

The paving and widening of 74 from Whiteville to NC 214 east of Bolton is interesting as somewhere along that stretch I-74 could make a right turn to head towards US 17 and South Carolina.  I'm guessing the widening means they will add shoulders.  I doubt they will close any of the at-grade intersections on that stretch of 74.

I believe the other project is just a standard resurfacing project.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on January 25, 2013, 08:00:49 AM
I'm gonna drive US 74 this morning from Wilmington to I-95 and back and document it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on February 07, 2013, 01:33:29 AM
http://myfox8.com/2013/02/06/more-delays-for-i-74-connector/

Here we go again...grrr
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on February 07, 2013, 12:24:15 PM
Aww man, oh well. They better get that thing done because I want to drive on it! lol. They still haven't started the sign replacement (at least in Greensboro area) yet. The US 220 connector work north of Greensboro is finally resuming.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on February 07, 2013, 12:47:14 PM
I see a road trip to Rockingham in May or June then.3

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on February 07, 2013, 02:50:25 PM
Quote from: Strider on February 07, 2013, 12:24:15 PM
Aww man, oh well. They better get that thing done because I want to drive on it!

My thoughts exactly. Keep me posted with the sign project in G'Boro area, I would like to get up there when its fully signed and the Randleman connector is open.

One more thing if you are local to the Triad Strider, if you can keep an eye on a project to upgrade signage to I-74 from Main St exit High-Point to I-40 in S.E. Winston. I am more eager for that than the other projects haha.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on February 08, 2013, 12:17:12 AM
Quote from: jcarte29 on February 07, 2013, 02:50:25 PM
Quote from: Strider on February 07, 2013, 12:24:15 PM
Aww man, oh well. They better get that thing done because I want to drive on it!

My thoughts exactly. Keep me posted with the sign project in G'Boro area, I would like to get up there when its fully signed and the Randleman connector is open.

One more thing if you are local to the Triad Strider, if you can keep an eye on a project to upgrade signage to I-74 from Main St exit High-Point to I-40 in S.E. Winston. I am more eager for that than the other projects haha.

Ok, I can try... I haven't heard anything about when they will be starting to do the sign replacement.. they should have go ahead and start that instead of waiting around.. maybe they are still making signs.

Fixed quote. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4000.0) - rmf67
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on February 08, 2013, 01:01:31 AM
You are very right...

They were so quick to put up I-74 mileposts (regardless that at the time it was still "Future I-74" and exit numbers according to I-74 mileage it wouldn't take much to upgrade signage and add I-74 signs at the what, 4 intersections in the 11 miles?!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on February 20, 2013, 11:01:17 PM
NCDOT has announced project that will re-sign future I-73 and I-74 sections of US 220 as I-73 or I-73/74 and upgrade exit signage along the route will start next Monday (2/25). Apparently project also includes changing exit signs on future I-840/I-73 section as well. Press release includes exit list.
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=7778 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=7778)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on February 20, 2013, 11:27:50 PM
Oops, apparently Asheboro has a new highway, NC 29...it's supposed to be NC 49.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on February 21, 2013, 01:01:57 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 20, 2013, 11:01:17 PM
NCDOT has announced project that will re-sign future I-73 and I-74 sections of US 220 as I-73 or I-73/74 and upgrade exit signage along the route will start next Monday (2/25). Apparently project also includes changing exit signs on future I-840/I-73 section as well. Press release includes exit list.
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=7778 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=7778)

The future I-840/I-73 section is interesting. I guess the road is meant to make I-73 a priority road instead of I-840 (i know the loop won't be completed for quite some time). But, I'd say.. ABOUT TIME!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 04, 2013, 01:14:06 AM
I-74 in Winston-Salem/Forsyth County is a reality, signs will show it by Summer 2013 :)

http://www.journalnow.com/news/local/article_d99a3f4c-8460-11e2-a1ff-001a4bcf6878.html
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 04, 2013, 09:33:28 PM
Quote from: jcarte29 on March 04, 2013, 01:14:06 AM
I-74 in Winston-Salem/Forsyth County is a reality, signs will show it by Summer 2013 :)

http://www.journalnow.com/news/local/article_d99a3f4c-8460-11e2-a1ff-001a4bcf6878.html
I have updated my I-74 Segment 5 page with information from the article. Guess I'll have to make room for new sign photos: http://web.simmons.edu/~malme/i74seg5.html (http://web.simmons.edu/~malme/i74seg5.html)
As for the unopened section from Glenola to US 220, still no word on an opening date. Hopefully, next month.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 05, 2013, 12:28:22 AM
Well, I was curious on which Interstate would be "official" in Forsyth first, 74, or 285. I am very happy that it will be 74.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on March 05, 2013, 01:37:11 AM
Speaking of I-285, the new advanced guide signs in Davidson County for Exit 87 do not mention either I-285 or Business I-85 (though an auxiliary guide sign mentions Business I-85) and it appears that there's not even room for either.

Then again, the guide signs for future I-785 in Greensboro (exit 223 off I-40) don't have room for, or mention, I-785.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 05, 2013, 09:19:58 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on March 04, 2013, 09:33:28 PM
I-74 in Winston-Salem/Forsyth County is a reality, signs will show it by Summer 2013 :)

I have updated my I-74 Segment 5 page with information from the article. Guess I'll have to make room for new sign photos: http://web.simmons.edu/~malme/i74seg5.html (http://web.simmons.edu/~malme/i74seg5.html)

Just my humble opinion, get rid of all the current photos when the new ones are taken, cause sometimes loading those pages takes longer because of all the collected pics over the years...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 05, 2013, 12:26:11 PM
Quote from: OracleUsr on March 05, 2013, 01:37:11 AM
Speaking of I-285, the new advanced guide signs in Davidson County for Exit 87 do not mention either I-285 or Business I-85 (though an auxiliary guide sign mentions Business I-85) and it appears that there's not even room for either.

Then again, the guide signs for future I-785 in Greensboro (exit 223 off I-40) don't have room for, or mention, I-785.


Do you mean I-40 exit 227 (or I-85 exit 131).. I-785 will be following I-840, not US 29.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on March 05, 2013, 12:42:49 PM
I thought it was US 29 to Danville.  Seems weird to have a spur concurrent with a loop
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 05, 2013, 01:16:06 PM
Quote from: OracleUsr on March 05, 2013, 12:42:49 PM
I thought it was US 29 to Danville.  Seems weird to have a spur concurrent with a loop

Yes, I-785 will follow I-840 northwest to US 29 then follow US 29 all the way to Danville. I do agree with you it seems weird.

I would have choosen I-785 to follow US 29/70 from I-73/I-85 and follow I-40 then up north on US 29. Oh well.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 05, 2013, 03:05:37 PM
Quote from: Strider on March 05, 2013, 01:16:06 PM
Quote from: OracleUsr on March 05, 2013, 12:42:49 PM
I thought it was US 29 to Danville.  Seems weird to have a spur concurrent with a loop

Yes, I-785 will follow I-840 northwest to US 29 then follow US 29 all the way to Danville. I do agree with you it seems weird.

I would have choosen I-785 to follow US 29/70 from I-73/I-85 and follow I-40 then up north on US 29. Oh well.

My thoughts exactly, especially now that I-40 is back on its old route, that was the first good decision (or reversed decision) that NCDOT made in quite a while.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Speedway99 on March 05, 2013, 07:01:16 PM
Quote from: jcarte29 on March 05, 2013, 03:05:37 PM
Quote from: Strider on March 05, 2013, 01:16:06 PM
Quote from: OracleUsr on March 05, 2013, 12:42:49 PM
I thought it was US 29 to Danville.  Seems weird to have a spur concurrent with a loop

Yes, I-785 will follow I-840 northwest to US 29 then follow US 29 all the way to Danville. I do agree with you it seems weird.

I would have choosen I-785 to follow US 29/70 from I-73/I-85 and follow I-40 then up north on US 29. Oh well.

My thoughts exactly, especially now that I-40 is back on its old route, that was the first good decision (or reversed decision) that NCDOT made in quite a while.
If only I-85 could use its old route in Greensboro again. Then sign 840 on the whole loop, sharing the segment with 73 on the SW side. Even if 85 is kept on the loop, I still want 840 signed around the whole loop, I like circumferential Interstate numbers.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 05, 2013, 07:50:04 PM
Quote from: Speedway99 on March 05, 2013, 07:01:16 PM
Quote from: jcarte29 on March 05, 2013, 03:05:37 PM
Quote from: Strider on March 05, 2013, 01:16:06 PM
Quote from: OracleUsr on March 05, 2013, 12:42:49 PM
I thought it was US 29 to Danville.  Seems weird to have a spur concurrent with a loop

Yes, I-785 will follow I-840 northwest to US 29 then follow US 29 all the way to Danville. I do agree with you it seems weird.

I would have choosen I-785 to follow US 29/70 from I-73/I-85 and follow I-40 then up north on US 29. Oh well.

My thoughts exactly, especially now that I-40 is back on its old route, that was the first good decision (or reversed decision) that NCDOT made in quite a while.
If only I-85 could use its old route in Greensboro again. Then sign 840 on the whole loop, sharing the segment with 73 on the SW side. Even if 85 is kept on the loop, I still want 840 signed around the whole loop, I like circumferential Interstate numbers.


I also agree with this.

This also brings up a point about the recent news out of Winston where I-74 will be signed (To the I-40 intersection on the SE side of town) by this summer. The on-going US 52 improvement project downtown, I think, brings US 52 up to interstate standards (maybe with some sub-standards spots between the south end of the project and I-40) and, in my humble opinion, you could co-sign I-40 with I-74 to US 52 and sign it to the north end of the project.

The Northern (East) Belt of Winston-Salem, scheduled to start construction in 2014, could then be I-274 for both the East *and* West Belt, which supports Speedway99's point about circumferential interstate loops being better.

you wouldn't have to use a I-x40 either, since everywhere but Winston got one of those.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rmshiflett on March 05, 2013, 10:10:40 PM
Wow. It seems as if NC is constantly upgrading its US Highways into freeways, and its freeways into interstates. I guess NC has the money to do that kind of stuff. Too bad Alabama is out of money and takes a century and a half to get anything done to the roadways..  :-/
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 06, 2013, 12:55:02 AM
I would rather to have I-74 multiplex with I-40 and use US 52 instead of using the beltway. I don't think Winston Salem needs a beltway (money saved from the beltway can easily go to US 52 improvements). The city already has a business loop that is about to be upgraded anyways. I don't get the story about Winston Northern Beltway and why do they need it.. especially with I-840 (Greensboro Loop) a few miles to the east?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 06, 2013, 01:25:59 AM
Quote from: Strider on March 06, 2013, 12:55:02 AM
I would rather to have I-74 multiplex with I-40 and use US 52 instead of using the beltway. I don't think Winston Salem needs a beltway (money saved from the beltway can easily go to US 52 improvements).


Not only is US 52 close to completion, and I-74 will (technically already does) exist in Winston, you could sign the rest of this almost immediately and it would give Downtown another interstate.

I'm ok with the loop, but its so far out, it's just pointless almost. But it would allow the whole thing to be I-274 and the east belt would hit an interstate (its parent- I-74) sooner.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on March 06, 2013, 08:07:00 AM
Quote from: jcarte29 on March 06, 2013, 01:25:59 AM
Quote from: Strider on March 06, 2013, 12:55:02 AM
I would rather to have I-74 multiplex with I-40 and use US 52 instead of using the beltway. I don't think Winston Salem needs a beltway (money saved from the beltway can easily go to US 52 improvements).


Not only is US 52 close to completion, and I-74 will (technically already does) exist in Winston, you could sign the rest of this almost immediately and it would give Downtown another interstate.

I'm ok with the loop, but its so far out, it's just pointless almost. But it would allow the whole thing to be I-274 and the east belt would hit an interstate (its parent- I-74) sooner.

Though you could, I rather like the idea what they are trying to accomplish here.  Manly, keeping the freeways in the downtown Winston-Salem area more for local traffic while regional traffic goes around the city.  They attempted the same with Greensboro by moving I-40 onto the beltway... only to move it back because of money and confusion.  They are unlikely then to make the same mistake if they went ahead and signed the downtown area only to rip it later.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MBHockey13 on March 06, 2013, 11:59:17 AM
Quote from: Strider on March 06, 2013, 12:55:02 AM
I would rather to have I-74 multiplex with I-40 and use US 52 instead of using the beltway. I don't think Winston Salem needs a beltway (money saved from the beltway can easily go to US 52 improvements). The city already has a business loop that is about to be upgraded anyways. I don't get the story about Winston Northern Beltway and why do they need it.. especially with I-840 (Greensboro Loop) a few miles to the east?

I disagree. I use I-40 West to BUS-40/US-421 North to US-52 North on occasion to head up to I-74 to I-77 and points north, and it would be nice to not have to go into downtown Winston to then go north. Based on what I see a LOT of traffic has to head downtown just to get to US-52 north of the city, and even after they shutdown and rebuilt BUS-40/US-421 downtown it's still going to be a squeeze. I'm not sure about the rest of the loop, but the part from BUS-40 West/US-421 North to US-52 north of the city makes a LOT of sense - and it's the perfect route for I-74 from US-311 to US-52.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on March 06, 2013, 01:30:21 PM
Quote from: Strider on March 06, 2013, 12:55:02 AM
I would rather to have I-74 multiplex with I-40 and use US 52 instead of using the beltway. I don't think Winston Salem needs a beltway (money saved from the beltway can easily go to US 52 improvements). The city already has a business loop that is about to be upgraded anyways. I don't get the story about Winston Northern Beltway and why do they need it.. especially with I-840 (Greensboro Loop) a few miles to the east?

Because they are two separate cities. 

Even though he pulls for Buffalo (I'm Sorry), MBHockey13 is right.  The outer loop of Winston makes a lot of sense moving west to north/s to e or e/n or s/w traffic away from the downtown area.  Time and traffic savings makes a lot of sense since you have quite a few major freeways (US 52 from North and South, US 421 from the west, I-40/Business I-40 from the East & West and US 311 from the southeast.) meeting in nearly one concentrated areas.  The outer loop would facilitate those directional changes in a more efficient manner.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Alps on March 06, 2013, 09:26:23 PM
Quote from: rmshiflett on March 05, 2013, 10:10:40 PM
Wow. It seems as if NC is constantly upgrading its US Highways into freeways, and its freeways into interstates. I guess NC has the money to do that kind of stuff. Too bad Alabama is out of money and takes a century and a half to get anything done to the roadways..  :-/
My understanding is they're about to run into a multi-billion dollar crisis due to deferred maintenance and all these new highway miles to maintain. Of course, their population is growing by leaps and bounds right now, but they've frontloaded the infrastructure (as they should). More toll highways and higher taxes, on the way...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 07, 2013, 12:04:37 PM
Any updates on I-73/I-74 signing south of Asheboro? I drove by Greensboro area and see if they already begun updating the signs, but nothing yet.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 07, 2013, 12:12:45 PM
Quote from: Steve on March 06, 2013, 09:26:23 PM
Quote from: rmshiflett on March 05, 2013, 10:10:40 PM
Wow. It seems as if NC is constantly upgrading its US Highways into freeways, and its freeways into interstates. I guess NC has the money to do that kind of stuff. Too bad Alabama is out of money and takes a century and a half to get anything done to the roadways..  :-/
My understanding is they're about to run into a multi-billion dollar crisis due to deferred maintenance and all these new highway miles to maintain. Of course, their population is growing by leaps and bounds right now, but they've frontloaded the infrastructure (as they should). More toll highways and higher taxes, on the way...

Deferred maintenance? 

At least North Carolina does not have miles and miles of passenger rail systems (the only system I am  aware of is in Charlotte) to try and keep in a state of good repair out of their motor fuel tax revenues.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on March 07, 2013, 03:53:01 PM
Er...NC does own miles and miles of passenger rail...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Railroad
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 07, 2013, 05:31:06 PM
Quote from: Strider on March 07, 2013, 12:04:37 PM
Any updates on I-73/I-74 signing south of Asheboro? I drove by Greensboro area and see if they already begun updating the signs, but nothing yet.


Signing project on-going from Greensboro to Ellerbe, slated for fall completion.

Apparently even Winston to High Point wil be signed by summer too, but nothing let yet.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: SP Cook on March 08, 2013, 06:11:48 AM
Quote from: NE2 on March 07, 2013, 03:53:01 PM
Er...NC does own miles and miles of passenger rail...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Railroad

From the article:

NCRR does not receive any state appopriations, and its properties are subject to North Carolina city and county property taxes, most but not all of which are paid by Norfolk Southern under the agreements.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on March 08, 2013, 08:29:53 AM
Quote from: rmshiflett on March 05, 2013, 10:10:40 PM
Wow. It seems as if NC is constantly upgrading its US Highways into freeways, and its freeways into interstates. I guess NC has the money to do that kind of stuff. Too bad Alabama is out of money and takes a century and a half to get anything done to the roadways..  :-/

It really doesn't.  They've been robbing Peter to pay Paul on a lot of projects.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on March 08, 2013, 04:41:25 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on March 08, 2013, 06:11:48 AM
Quote from: NE2 on March 07, 2013, 03:53:01 PM
Er...NC does own miles and miles of passenger rail...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Railroad

From the article:

NCRR does not receive any state appopriations, and its properties are subject to North Carolina city and county property taxes, most but not all of which are paid by Norfolk Southern under the agreements.
Misleading if not actually incorrect: http://www.bytrain.org/track/

"The NCDOT provided the preliminary engineering and design plans and is paying for all of the rail improvements with state transportation funds. Norfolk Southern will provide the final plans and do the actual construction."
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 12, 2013, 02:29:33 AM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on March 08, 2013, 08:29:53 AM
Quote from: rmshiflett on March 05, 2013, 10:10:40 PM
Wow. It seems as if NC is constantly upgrading its US Highways into freeways, and its freeways into interstates. I guess NC has the money to do that kind of stuff. Too bad Alabama is out of money and takes a century and a half to get anything done to the roadways..  :-/

It really doesn't.  They've been robbing Peter to pay Paul on a lot of projects.


And some of them have been built using GARVEE bonds (don't quote me but I think I-140, I-295 are two examples)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 12, 2013, 10:22:39 AM
Quote from: jcarte29 on March 12, 2013, 02:29:33 AM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on March 08, 2013, 08:29:53 AM
Quote from: rmshiflett on March 05, 2013, 10:10:40 PM
Wow. It seems as if NC is constantly upgrading its US Highways into freeways, and its freeways into interstates. I guess NC has the money to do that kind of stuff. Too bad Alabama is out of money and takes a century and a half to get anything done to the roadways..  :-/

It really doesn't.  They've been robbing Peter to pay Paul on a lot of projects.


And some of them have been built using GARVEE bonds (don't quote me but I think I-140, I-295 are two examples)
Yeah.. The last leg of I-485 also use GARVEE bonds.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 12, 2013, 11:35:49 AM
Strider, just curious...

has Robert (Bob) Malme announced any word about the new server for the I-73/74 page?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 12, 2013, 03:46:43 PM
Quote from: jcarte29 on March 12, 2013, 11:35:49 AM
Strider, just curious...

has Robert (Bob) Malme announced any word about the new server for the I-73/74 page?
I hope to have a new one lined up by next week. If anyone has suggestions, recommendations, in the meanwhile, feel free to pass them along.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 12, 2013, 08:06:25 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on March 12, 2013, 03:46:43 PM
Quote from: jcarte29 on March 12, 2013, 11:35:49 AM
Strider, just curious...

has Robert (Bob) Malme announced any word about the new server for the I-73/74 page?
I hope to have a new one lined up by next week. If anyone has suggestions, recommendations, in the meanwhile, feel free to pass them along.

Lol good to hear from ya Bob, I wish I could help, but that's about the one area of computers I lack the knowledge. Any word on the Randleman connector in the meanwhile? Still on track for mid (hopefully sooner) April?

I have a trip upcoming to Salisbury for my youngest nephew, hope to get shots of Future I-74 from I-95 (where i left off) to Rockingham and I-85 from yadkin river to US 52. And maybe the connector, but I'd rather do that at same time as I-73 signing from Ellerbe north, which looks more like Oct completion
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 12, 2013, 10:40:45 PM
Another nice update to US 220 north of Greensboro:

Although the project is behind in schedule due to weather (lots of rain lately), but I have seen the progress just south of US 158 interchange. They are now trying to build twin bridges over a small Haw River (the future southbound I-73 lanes and the off ramp to US 220 South). But, the bridge piers and the sides are already built and is ready for some steel gliders to connect on the future US 220 south ramp over I-73. A lot of heavy construction and grading is very noticeable there, and I didn't had time to take pictures because of weather and I had to head to work.

But, as of US 220 south of the future I-73 interchange, not much have changed except for moving stoplights at both NC 150 intersections and a bridge over the creek near Greensboro.

Not much progress are ongoing on US 220 north of US 158 interchange as well.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 12, 2013, 10:56:55 PM
Thank yah Strider. Really look forward to I-73/74 being signed non-stop from Ellerbe to each G/boro (73) and Winston (74) respectively.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 18, 2013, 12:19:19 PM
Looks like they are starting to get ready to replace the signs in the Greensboro area.  Yesterday, while driving home from work, I saw a sign for "I-73 SOUTH, US 220 SOUTH, ASHEBORO" and a couple of other signs on the truck, getting ready to be put up.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on March 18, 2013, 12:44:17 PM
Figures, I was just going through that area.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 18, 2013, 01:08:18 PM
Yeah... I will try to swing by to the same area and see if the truck with the signs are still at the same place and then try to take pictures of them as long as they don't move it already.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 18, 2013, 01:17:02 PM
Quote from: Strider on March 18, 2013, 12:19:19 PM
Looks like they are starting to get ready to replace the signs in the Greensboro area.  Yesterday, while driving home from work, I saw a sign for "I-73 SOUTH, US 220 SOUTH, ASHEBORO" and a couple of other signs on the truck, getting ready to be put up.


Haha great update, Bob said yesterday that the small stretch from Vision Drive (Exit 77 I think?) to I-74 exit to Winston (Exit 80) is almost done, bout darn time.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 18, 2013, 03:50:30 PM
Quote from: jcarte29 on March 18, 2013, 01:17:02 PM
Quote from: Strider on March 18, 2013, 12:19:19 PM
Looks like they are starting to get ready to replace the signs in the Greensboro area.  Yesterday, while driving home from work, I saw a sign for "I-73 SOUTH, US 220 SOUTH, ASHEBORO" and a couple of other signs on the truck, getting ready to be put up.


Haha great update, Bob said yesterday that the small stretch from Vision Drive (Exit 77 I think?) to I-74 exit to Winston (Exit 80) is almost done, bout darn time.
I will update my site with this and hopefully other signage news. The signage is said to be all up along the yet to be opened section of the I-74 freeway.

Speaking of my webpages, they have moved to be part of the Gribblenation family of sites. The address for the I-73/I-74 pages is now: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/ (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/)
My related future NC Interstates site is now at http://www.gribblenation.net/ncfutints/ (http://www.gribblenation.net/ncfutints/)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on March 18, 2013, 06:19:32 PM
Wow, that's pretty neat.  I may be making a lighthouse trip to Florida in 2014 or 2015.  Now I know my route.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 18, 2013, 11:25:45 PM
Here is the photo that I took before I went to work. This is the only sign that was put up since others haven't been changed due to weather, but it does FEEL GREAT to see I-73 finally signed right next to US 220. This came from when you drive South on I-73/US 421 in Greensboro.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs22.postimage.org%2Fyew8egqb5%2F20130318_155237.jpg&hash=024f69dee82b6d3ab83623a777869ce1e68c0dad)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 19, 2013, 12:23:59 PM
Quote from: Strider on March 18, 2013, 11:25:45 PM
Here is the photo that I took before I went to work. This is the only sign that was put up since others haven't been changed due to weather, but it does FEEL GREAT to see I-73 finally signed right next to US 220. This came from when you drive South on I-73/US 421 in Greensboro.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs22.postimage.org%2Fyew8egqb5%2F20130318_155237.jpg&hash=024f69dee82b6d3ab83623a777869ce1e68c0dad)
Great photo. Given the existing exit tab was not removed, this has I-73 exiting itself. Supposedly they are to make staying on the loop for I-85 North (US 421 South) 'Exit 95' and shift the tab to the I-85 signs, perhaps they are waiting her until they place one to the left of the current I-73/US 220 BGS.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 19, 2013, 01:14:35 PM
I was told by a rep at NCDOT that this exit tab is staying because the plan is for I-73 to exit by itself. It does not make any sense to have 3 lanes exit on the left and only one lane exit for I-73 South.. I'd say the same thing for the I-73 North that exits itself at the cloverleaf section. I think that the interchange between I-85/US 220/I-73 South needs to have flyovers added to it.

I'd bet that there will be more sign changes today since the weather is nice.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 19, 2013, 09:02:49 PM
There are more trucks carrying signs near the same location I stopped by the other day. YAY! Sign changes are under progress.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on March 20, 2013, 12:50:38 AM
Either this or next weekend when I go to Greensboro, I might just have to take a detour.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 25, 2013, 01:39:45 AM
Other sign changes along the road in Greensboro area.. There are more, but it rained that day. They changed most signs on southbound I-73. The exit tab have changed on the overhead, but not on the exit section. There is not a I-73 South shield when you drive south on I-85 though, but it's a good start.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs17.postimg.org%2F5t1c4j23z%2F20130324_154647.jpg&hash=f39cd7557d116d60459c9495be6a0bc658863ff5)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 25, 2013, 10:15:50 AM
Great job Strider, I hope that within a couple weeks we can finally talk about the Randleman Connector (I-74) opening. Feels like that project has lasted forever.

And maybe this is just hopeful optimizim, but when I think about the signing project, knowing its just changing out and addin signs along the highway (that's already open) and each exit, you think it will be completed sooner than October?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 25, 2013, 02:08:33 PM
That's possible they can complete the signing change sooner than October as evidenced from the photo, but who knows.

the I-74 Randleman Connector should have been completed a while ago. Since weather kept changing here in NC, I'm kinda concerned they might not be able to open it sooner.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 29, 2013, 10:29:24 AM
Big surprise! :-/


http://myfox8.com/2013/03/29/i-73-connector-in-randolph-county-expected-to-be-finished-by-memorial-day/
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 29, 2013, 11:11:20 AM
yeah.. i am not surprised. weather is the bigger factor this year so far. That's also the other reason why US 220 widening north of Greensboro is being behind in schedule as well. But, they are starting to build a bridge and cleared the woods faster than I ever seen...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 29, 2013, 11:16:53 AM
Strider, any other sign changes along I-73 south towards Randolph Co?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 29, 2013, 01:55:31 PM
I haven't checked yet. Last time I was down there, there are no sign changes down US 220 to Randolph County, but I might check it out this weekend if I have time.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 08, 2013, 10:41:47 AM
I've added photos Strider and jcarte29 have sent me regarding new signage along I-73. They have added them to my Segment 5 through Segment 8 pages. I have also added new information about the delay (again) in opening the I-74 freeway to I-74 Segment 7b and US 74/76 and I-74 video links from jcarte29 to my I-74 Segment 17 and 18 pages.

Thanks to all for their contributions. The pages can all be reached at http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on April 08, 2013, 11:40:20 AM
The delay on the I-74 project bugs me. On the same day I took photos of I-73 sign changes, I drove by US 311 to view the interchange with I-74. It's definitely not ready. I only spotted added exit number on I-74 (84), and a couple of interstate signs, etc. but the road itself is NOT even worked on.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on April 08, 2013, 01:10:20 PM
Quote from: Strider on April 08, 2013, 11:40:20 AM
The delay on the I-74 project bugs me. On the same day I took photos of I-73 sign changes, I drove by US 311 to view the interchange with I-74. It's definitely not ready. I only spotted added exit number on I-74 (84), and a couple of interstate signs, etc. but the road itself is NOT even worked on.

At this rate the sign changes from G'Boro to Ellerbe will be done before I-74 Connector pavement lol...I don't live up there anymore but I would take a day trip and find an excuse to visit just to drive it lol.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on April 08, 2013, 01:40:00 PM
Haha, I would too. But it's sad how they put up signs on I-74 connector, but not working on the road. The road looked half finished (one lane fully paved and the other lane isn't). They better get it done while there's a nice weather.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on April 08, 2013, 03:13:00 PM
Quote from: Strider on April 08, 2013, 01:40:00 PM
Haha, I would too. But it's sad how they put up signs on I-74 connector, but not working on the road. The road looked half finished (one lane fully paved and the other lane isn't). They better get it done while there's a nice weather.

They have the whole Spring, Summer and Fall of nice weather ahead.  I am sure it'll be fine. 

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on April 29, 2013, 11:44:59 PM
Yeah I agree. another update: not much has changed so far.. except they did put new exit tabs going northbound on I-73/US 220 to I-85. However, everything else haven't changed or added so far....
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: amroad17 on April 30, 2013, 04:26:00 AM
Quote from: Strider on March 25, 2013, 01:39:45 AM
Other sign changes along the road in Greensboro area.. There are more, but it rained that day. They changed most signs on southbound I-73. The exit tab have changed on the overhead, but not on the exit section. There is not a I-73 South shield when you drive south on I-85 though, but it's a good start.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs17.postimg.org%2F5t1c4j23z%2F20130324_154647.jpg&hash=f39cd7557d116d60459c9495be6a0bc658863ff5)
I like the left panel with Durham and Raleigh on one line.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on April 30, 2013, 01:42:47 PM
Yeah I like that too.. it's different.
Title: Interstate 73 in S.C. Update
Post by: Grzrd on May 21, 2013, 10:17:45 PM
Quote from: jcarte29 on April 23, 2013, 07:55:41 PM
Any word on I-73 in SC?
(above quote from South Carolina (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4088.msg217389#msg217389) thread)

This April 26 article (http://www.scnow.com/news/article_7ffaf452-aeba-11e2-9a07-0019bb30f31a.html) reports that SCDOT is working on wetland mitigation and approximately 65% of ROW has been purchased:

Quote
On Friday, members of the North Eastern Strategic Alliance (NESA) executive committee discussed their ongoing progress in bringing economic development to the nine county region ....
The board also received an update on Interstate 73 from state Department of Transportation district commissioner Mike Wooten.
"The permitting is underway they're working on wetland mitigation now and right of way purchase is underway with about 65 percent of the right of way has been purchased for I-73,"  Wooten said. "$58 million left in budget for those things that we need to do moving forward for I-73."
Permitting will continue for the next 12 to 18 months and the appeals process will take about two years Wooten said.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 22, 2013, 10:13:35 PM
Looks like we have at least now a definitive week when the I-74 freeway to US 220 is supposed to open:
http://myfox8.com/2013/05/22/i-73us-311-connector-will-open-week-after-memorial-day/ (http://myfox8.com/2013/05/22/i-73us-311-connector-will-open-week-after-memorial-day/)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 24, 2013, 12:48:07 AM
About time. I can't wait to drive that section when it opens....
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on May 24, 2013, 01:55:15 AM
Any word on what will happen to US 311? Overlap to I-73? Remain on the current alignment? Truncation?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on May 24, 2013, 09:35:37 AM
Quote from: NE2 on May 24, 2013, 01:55:15 AM
Any word on what will happen to US 311? Overlap to I-73? Remain on the current alignment? Truncation?
According to the new signage, US 311 will stay on I 74 from Cedar Square Road to the next interchange ( current US 311 ). It will remain on the current route from I 74 to US 220. This gives a short segment where US 311 is not multiplexed with any highway.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 24, 2013, 01:41:24 PM
Yeah, what the post said above. US 311 will still end at I-73/US 220 (which i think it should be extended east to end at Business 220 instead.. or maybe extend it south to end at US 64 in Asheboro.

But yes! can't wait til I-74 is finally opened to I-73.

Now, the state need to turn their focus on the Western Rockingham bypass to extend I-73 farther south. (and I-74)


Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 1995hoo on May 24, 2013, 03:42:25 PM
I haven't been down the road south of Greensboro in years and I have no idea whether Street View imagery is accurate. How thorough is the Interstate signing through there? If you were giving directions to someone, would you refer to the Interstate numbering, the US Route numbering, or all of it together (e.g., "I-73/I-74/US-220 and the sign may list any or all of these")?

The reason I ask is that my brother-in-law and his wife are heading to the Pinehurst area next month and are then planning to drive up to the DC area on a Sunday afternoon to visit us. Using I-95 from Richmond to DC on a Sunday afternoon at the end of June is a bad idea, so I'm going to suggest he go a little west from Pinehurst and then take what I still think of as US-220 north to Greensboro, then US-29 the whole way from there up to Northern Virginia. It's about 40 miles further than the I-85/I-95 route but is likely to be faster, and it's certainly more scenic. In the interest of giving good directions I'm wondering if anyone could clarify what he might expect to see on the signs.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on May 24, 2013, 05:02:10 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 24, 2013, 03:42:25 PM
I haven't been down the road south of Greensboro in years and I have no idea whether Street View imagery is accurate. How thorough is the Interstate signing through there? If you were giving directions to someone, would you refer to the Interstate numbering, the US Route numbering, or all of it together (e.g., "I-73/I-74/US-220 and the sign may list any or all of these")?

The reason I ask is that my brother-in-law and his wife are heading to the Pinehurst area next month and are then planning to drive up to the DC area on a Sunday afternoon to visit us. Using I-95 from Richmond to DC on a Sunday afternoon at the end of June is a bad idea, so I'm going to suggest he go a little west from Pinehurst and then take what I still think of as US-220 north to Greensboro, then US-29 the whole way from there up to Northern Virginia. It's about 40 miles further than the I-85/I-95 route but is likely to be faster, and it's certainly more scenic. In the interest of giving good directions I'm wondering if anyone could clarify what he might expect to see on the signs.

Thanks in advance.
The I-73/74 signing project from Greensboro to Ellerbe is going on right now. It officially started in February, but relatively few signs have been changed as of now. It is scheduled to be completed in October.

Currently, the entire freeway is signed US 220, with I 73 and 74 signs (both Future and regular) showing up sporadically north and south of the section around Asheboro (which is solidly signed for all three routes). From Pinehurst, if you take NC 211 west to I 73/74/ US 220, you can just follow the US 220 signs. One exit south of NC 211, US 220 is being routed back onto the old road (US 220 Alternate) and the freeway is going to be just I 73/74. As far as I know, this resigning has not happened yet, but should not be a problem if you are coming from Pinehurst.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 25, 2013, 11:36:41 AM
Yeah, they did in fact changed a few signs along the route, but just say US 220 for now.. it should lessen the confusion until at least when the entire signing project is done.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 1995hoo on May 25, 2013, 07:49:25 PM
Thanks, appreciate that. I may refer to it as 220 and then mention that he may also see some version of I-73/74 shields occasionally as part of an ongoing upgrade project.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 26, 2013, 01:57:23 AM
Yeah.. that's what you should mention to him. Just tell him that he will see I-73/I-74 signs (future, interstate) on every US 220 signage (that's how it is signed out there).. but yeah just mention it as US 220 for now.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on May 26, 2013, 09:25:42 AM
I-73/74 doesn't have the "name-brand recognition" as say an I-40/85 because its still so new. But in time it will be.

US 220 has been that route forever, some will continue to call it that regardless.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on May 26, 2013, 11:04:11 AM
Quote from: jcarte29 on May 26, 2013, 09:25:42 AM
I-99 doesn't have the "name-brand recognition" as say an I-78 because its still so new. But in time it will be.

US 220 has been that route forever, some will continue to call it that regardless.

:bigass:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on May 26, 2013, 11:04:59 AM
Quote from: jcarte29 on May 26, 2013, 09:25:42 AM
I-73/74 doesn't have the "name-brand recognition" as say an I-40/85 because its still so new. But in time it will be.

US 220 has been that route forever, some will continue to call it that regardless.
The US 220 freeway from Greensboro to Candor will continue to be signed US 220 for the foreseeable future. It will also have multiplexes with I 73 alone and I 73/74.

Currently, the only part of the US 220 freeway that is being moved to the old routing is the newest segment of the freeway. This segment was signed as I 73/74 Future/US 220 when it was opened. The signage on old US 220 was never changed, so both routes are signed (and referred to) US 220. The exits for the old route from the freeway have been signed US 220 Business (for the Ellerbe exit) and US 220 Alternate (for the Candor exit). I have not seen evidence that NC even applied to AASHTO to move US 220 to the new freeway or defining the Alternate or Business routes. By removing US 220 signage from the new freeway, the situation will be clearer and should conform to AASHTO.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 29, 2013, 10:40:46 PM
NCDOT has moved up the construction date for the 'I-73 Connector,' the section that will take the interstate from Bryan Blvd near the PTI Airport exit to NC 68. The current plan is for construction to start next spring and work to be completed by 2015. Previously the route was to be built starting in 2016. For more details go to my I-73 Segment 4 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)
Meanwhile, still no word on the I-74 freeway. My contact says that only half the lanes had been painted as of last week. The end date on the traffic alert at NCDOT's TIMS site has now been pushed back to June 7.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MBHockey13 on May 30, 2013, 10:57:48 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on May 29, 2013, 10:40:46 PM
NCDOT has moved up the construction date for the 'I-73 Connector,' the section that will take the interstate from Bryan Blvd near the PTI Airport exit to NC 68. The current plan is for construction to start next spring and work to be completed by 2015. Previously the route was to be built starting in 2016. For more details go to my I-73 Segment 4 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)
Meanwhile, still no word on the I-74 freeway. My contact says that only half the lanes had been painted as of last week. The end date on the traffic alert at NCDOT's TIMS site has now been pushed back to June 7.

I am really excited by this find of yours. Between this and the beginning of the Bryan Boulevard to US-220 / Battleground part of the Greensboro Loop / I-840 construction 2014 should be a good year for road building around here.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on May 30, 2013, 11:08:18 AM
Quote from: MBHockey13 on May 30, 2013, 10:57:48 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on May 29, 2013, 10:40:46 PM
NCDOT has moved up the construction date for the 'I-73 Connector,' the section that will take the interstate from Bryan Blvd near the PTI Airport exit to NC 68. The current plan is for construction to start next spring and work to be completed by 2015. Previously the route was to be built starting in 2016. For more details go to my I-73 Segment 4 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)
Meanwhile, still no word on the I-74 freeway. My contact says that only half the lanes had been painted as of last week. The end date on the traffic alert at NCDOT's TIMS site has now been pushed back to June 7.

I am really excited by this find of yours. Between this and the beginning of the Bryan Boulevard to US-220 / Battleground part of the Greensboro Loop / I-840 construction 2014 should be a good year for road building around here.


Triad Business Journal (http://www.bizjournals.com/triad) was the first to "break the story." Great resource too, along with the Winston-Salem Journal (my hometown newspaper), they both do well with I-73/74 news.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 30, 2013, 11:53:00 AM
That's an excellent news!

Seems like the construction for I-73 is really speeding up in NC. Hopefully Virginia and South Carolina can learn from North Carolina :)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on May 30, 2013, 12:37:28 PM
Quote from: Strider on May 30, 2013, 11:53:00 AM
That's an excellent news!

Seems like the construction for I-73 is really speeding up in NC. Hopefully Virginia and South Carolina can learn from North Carolina :)

Couldn't agree more Strider, a lot of the "orange" on Bob's I-73 progress page will be gray and fully signed by 2016, and somewhat by October 2013!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 1995hoo on May 30, 2013, 09:25:03 PM
A follow-up to my earlier query further up this page regarding giving directions.

I'm finding all sorts of conflicting information on exit numbers in Greensboro. Could someone perhaps verify for me what the exit numbers are for:

(a) Northbound US-220 onto northbound Green I-85 (Google Maps shows it as Exit 79A);

(b) Northbound Green I-85 onto northbound US-29 towards Reidsville (this one is where the real inconsistency surfaces, probably due to the I-40/Green I-40 screwup a few years ago).

Obviously what I want to do is to give my brother-in-law directions up US-220, through Death Valley on Green I-85, then up US-29 all the way to I-66. While the exit numbers may not be vital, I always try to include them because in a pinch I think that's easier to process than information about a BGS with three or more shields (as is all too common around there).

Thanks again in advance.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on May 30, 2013, 10:00:39 PM
US-220 to Green I-85: Exit 79A

I-40/Green I-85 to US 29/70/220: Exit 223 ( I 40 exit numbering).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on May 30, 2013, 10:51:23 PM
Since the Bus I-85 exit is north of where I-73 splits off, I don't think that number will change any time soon, either.  It's only to Bypass I-85/73 North that the higher 9x numbers come into play.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MBHockey13 on May 31, 2013, 02:52:55 AM
*** I-74 / US-311 Update WITH PICTURES ***

So, for my afternoon run, I decided to run the soon-to-be-open I-74 / US-311 south of Cedar Square one more time. I had done it a couple of times in the past, before any signs were mounted or any paint was put down, and when some of it was still not paved. I'm not the only one who has used it in this manner.

So, this is what I can tell you:

* The ALL TRAFFIC MUST EXIT signs are gone at Cedar Square. They have a electronic message board, and some cones - that's it.

* All the striping is done.

* The signs are up

* I had to do 2.5 miles to get to the EXIT 84 US-311 SOUTH Randleman sign.

* The mile markers are up

* I did see three work trucks driving along. This was around 6:30 PM. As far as I can tell, from as far as I walked, they were finishing up the fencing separating the highway.

Pictures can be found here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/39949866@N07/sets/72157633825828557/

Feel free to use them as you wish.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 31, 2013, 11:08:09 AM
Quote from: MBHockey13 on May 31, 2013, 02:52:55 AM
*** I-74 / US-311 Update WITH PICTURES ***

So, for my afternoon run, I decided to run the soon-to-be-open I-74 / US-311 south of Cedar Square one more time. I had done it a couple of times in the past, before any signs were mounted or any paint was put down, and when some of it was still not paved. I'm not the only one who has used it in this manner.

So, this is what I can tell you:

* The ALL TRAFFIC MUST EXIT signs are gone at Cedar Square. They have a electronic message board, and some cones - that's it.

* All the striping is done.

* The signs are up

* I had to do 2.5 miles to get to the EXIT 84 US-311 SOUTH Randleman sign.

* The mile markers are up

* I did see three work trucks driving along. This was around 6:30 PM. As far as I can tell, from as far as I walked, they were finishing up the fencing separating the highway.

Pictures can be found here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/39949866@N07/sets/72157633825828557/

Feel free to use them as you wish.
Thanks for the photos, and the run mileage entailed to get some of them. I will plan to putting a few of them, with attribution, on my web pages. Still no announcement from NCDOT regarding an opening, but it looks imminent to me.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 1995hoo on May 31, 2013, 11:46:15 AM
Quote from: dfilpus on May 30, 2013, 10:00:39 PM
US-220 to Green I-85: Exit 79A

I-40/Green I-85 to US 29/70/220: Exit 223 ( I 40 exit numbering).

Thanks again, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on May 31, 2013, 12:20:21 PM
Nice pictures, but selfishly I wish you had made it to the interchange with I-73/US 220 lol unless I wasn't lookin close enough (I am on an iPhone safari browser so that could be causing difficulties...)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MBHockey13 on May 31, 2013, 03:12:51 PM
Nah - I was DONE at 2.5 - especially because the sun was beating down on me. Plus, I knew I had to make it all the way back!

I am actually considering going out this afternoon and running from the other end (well, sort of close to it) but will be going earlier so I'm not sure if I'll run into any workers. The ones I did see didn't seem to mind and I did see some bikers if you noticed that in the pics. There aren't any NO TRESPASSING signs so I'm not sure why it would be a problem anyway.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 01, 2013, 07:11:52 AM
I'm curious, but does anybody know if I-73 has been officially signed North of I-40 along Future I-840 yet?  Or is it still posted as a "Future" like I-840?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on June 01, 2013, 08:09:17 AM
Note that there are two different types of future: normal Interstate shields with FUTURE up top, and green reassurance signs indicating it's a future Interstate, but there are no signs on intersecting roads.

At least when the photos on http://people.duke.edu/~rmalme/i73seg4.html were taken, it was the latter:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpeople.duke.edu%2F%7Ermalme%2Fbryblvd90708g.JPG&hash=7d666f980b520111dfaedcbe87ce7fc2ea430b2f)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpeople.duke.edu%2F%7Ermalme%2Fi73exit103besr.jpg&hash=a81cbae88993e778f5c3305a40e57e268580ae48)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpeople.duke.edu%2F%7Ermalme%2Fendi73n2esr.jpg&hash=66d95c4d44131ba590bf422c0991ef7261ba17ec)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on June 01, 2013, 01:13:39 PM
Interesting Find for Future Eastern NC end of I-74...

http://m.wect.com/autojuice?targetUrl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.wect.com%2fstory%2f22469511%2fis-hwy-7476-becoming-an-interstate
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 02, 2013, 10:21:42 AM
Maybe NC is considering having I-74 just end in Wilmington instead of at Myrtle Beach. (I-73 will go there eventually, anyways).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on June 02, 2013, 11:06:39 AM
Quote from: jcarte29 on June 01, 2013, 01:13:39 PM
Interesting Find for Future Eastern NC end of I-74...

http://m.wect.com/autojuice?targetUrl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.wect.com%2fstory%2f22469511%2fis-hwy-7476-becoming-an-interstate

From earlier this year

QuoteQuote from: jcarte29 on January 22, 2013, 12:48:33 AM

    News on a couple projects (of note, 4 are mentioned total) to both widen and improve US 74 (Future I-74) in Eastern North Carolina...


    http://fayobserver.com/articles/2013/01/09/1229228?sac=fo.community/columbus


QuoteThe bridge replacement is on US 74 just east of Laurel Hill.  Which will have to be bypassed in some fashion  when US 74 is upgraded from Rockingham to Laurinburg.

The paving and widening of 74 from Whiteville to NC 214 east of Bolton is interesting as somewhere along that stretch I-74 could make a right turn to head towards US 17 and South Carolina.  I'm guessing the widening means they will add shoulders.  I doubt they will close any of the at-grade intersections on that stretch of 74.

I believe the other project is just a standard resurfacing project.

What the WECT report is about is the Whiteville to Bolton widening that was from this article.  Somewhere along here is where I-74 turns to South Carolina.

Quote
Posted by: Strider
« on: Today at 10:21:42 AM »

Maybe NC is considering having I-74 just end in Wilmington instead of at Myrtle Beach. (I-73 will go there eventually, anyways).

  The state always has had plans to upgrade US 74/76 to Wilmington to a freeway and now to interstate grade.  WHat the state would prefer is having I-20 extend from Florence to Wilmington.  In the end, I am sure NC doesn't care if it's an I-x74 or I-20, or even I-74.  But the plans to upgrade US 74/76 to a full freeway have existed long before .

Edit Add:
This is really no different with what they are doing with the section between NC 41 and US 76.  Small upgrades that will slowly get the highway to interstate grade.  It's a slow process, but it's very interesting to see how an existing four lane road slowly becomes an interstate.  Something which was done to a lot of highway in the past; however, before many of us were born.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on June 02, 2013, 12:00:04 PM
It's gonna be years (decades, really) before I-74 turns south into Brunswick County, and its a bad idea anyways for an E-W interstate to turn SSW.

But this will make the present US 74/76 route nicer to travel if I am going to Charlotte (better alternative to 40/85 from where I live)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on June 02, 2013, 12:45:27 PM
That whole routing is a bad idea. Any traffic heading that way will use I-73.

As for I-20 to Wilmington, it's probably a waste to upgrade US 76 between Florence and I-74.

The obvious conclusion is I-74 to Wilmington.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on June 02, 2013, 03:20:56 PM
Quote from: NE2 on June 02, 2013, 12:45:27 PM
That whole routing is a bad idea. Any traffic heading that way will use I-73.

As for I-20 to Wilmington, it's probably a waste to upgrade US 76 between Florence and I-74.

The obvious conclusion is I-74 to Wilmington.

It's not necessarily a bad idea, it just all depends where you are going.  It is likely that I-74 will also flip at the state line into South Carolina going West towards Myrtle Beach along the Carolina Bays Parkway.  Also, I-74 is still planned to go into South Carolina as per the compact agreement with North Carolina; NCDOT will build into South Carolina on I-74 and SCDOT will build into North Carolina on I-73.

I-20 was a pipe dream a former NC Governor had, NCDOT is not seriously considering that now.  As for a I-x74, never know; but since a majority of  US 74 in North Carolina is already freeway grade and not an Interstate, I could easily see the state leaving it as is.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on June 02, 2013, 03:53:10 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on June 02, 2013, 03:20:56 PM
Quote from: NE2 on June 02, 2013, 12:45:27 PM
That whole routing is a bad idea. Any traffic heading that way will use I-73.

It's not necessarily a bad idea, it just all depends where you are going.
It appears that the only places to which I-74 will be shorter are in NC - and even then the difference is negligible. From Rockingham to Shallotte, the Goog gives me 134 miles via US 74-NC 211-US 17 (AKA I-74) and 144 miles via SC 38-US 501-SC 319-SC 22-SC 31 (the closest parallel to I-73). By the time you get to the state line it's 130 vs. 149.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MBHockey13 on June 02, 2013, 08:43:03 PM
I went back Friday and ran and took more pics - this time at the US-311 Randleman exit off of I-74.

I also grabbed some pics of the approach signs on both I-73/US-220 and on the current and part future US-311.

I only got so far in each direction because each way I ran into a different stray dog and didn't feel like finding out if it was friendly or not.

The pics include the first I-74/US-311 signs West/Northbound and the first single I-74 sign eastbound - probably the first one since it runs into US-52.

Pics here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/39949866@N07/sets/72157633888875211 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/39949866@N07/sets/72157633888875211)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on June 02, 2013, 09:34:14 PM
Strange. I-73 is a left exit off I-74.
God damn it. That's on I-74 east, not I-74 west.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 03, 2013, 02:37:44 AM
But yeah from I-74 East to I-73 North is a left exit. (the exit ends up a loop ramp though.)

I can't wait til I can drive on it when it opens. it looks ready to be opened.

but I agree with NE2 about the majority of traffic will use I-73 when going to Myrtle Beach, which means I-74 into Myrtle Beach seems pointless. I'd end it in Wilmington or something like that. the spur route can go from there to Myrtle Beach to connect with I-73.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Chris on June 03, 2013, 01:22:38 PM
Great photos! When will the new link open to traffic? It looks finished and earlier media reports indicated it would open the week after memorial day, which was last week.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on June 03, 2013, 02:01:50 PM
My Dad, who still lives in Winston-Salem (where I grew up) will be using the new I-74 route either returning from Oak Island, NC this weekend or both to/from (of course depending if it opens to the latest estimate) I asked him to let me know, he's not a road geek but still excited for its utility.

So then the next question will be...when will the official I-74 signs from I-40 to the Forsyth/Guilford Co line go up??!

It is (almost) Summer 2013, when it was thought by the WSJ to happen.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 04, 2013, 12:41:39 AM
I think the I-74 signs will go up from High Point to I-40 by the time the connection to I-73 is completed? who knows when it comes to NCDOT lol.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 04, 2013, 01:09:42 AM
Quote from: NE2 on June 01, 2013, 08:09:17 AM
Note that there are two different types of future: normal Interstate shields with FUTURE up top, and green reassurance signs indicating it's a future Interstate, but there are no signs on intersecting roads.

Only reason I was asking was because I wanted to clear this "OSM Bug (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/note/4993)". ;)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on June 04, 2013, 01:22:42 AM
I can't wait for this segment to open.  Wonder when the I-74 signs will go up on I-40 at the current US 311 Interchange (Exit 196).  Haven't seen any indication that it is going to happen anytime soon, but I could be wrong.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 04, 2013, 09:58:13 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on June 04, 2013, 01:09:42 AM
Quote from: NE2 on June 01, 2013, 08:09:17 AM
Note that there are two different types of future: normal Interstate shields with FUTURE up top, and green reassurance signs indicating it's a future Interstate, but there are no signs on intersecting roads.

Only reason I was asking was because I wanted to clear this "OSM Bug (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/note/4993)". ;)






Technically NCDOT got this section approved as "I-73/Future I-840", however they don't plan on signing it until the NC 68/US 220 connector and the I-73 connector between the airport and NC 68 interchanges are done. The exit numbers will be changed reflecting I-73 mileage on this section soon though.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on June 04, 2013, 10:19:37 AM
Quote from: Strider on June 04, 2013, 09:58:13 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on June 04, 2013, 01:09:42 AM
Quote from: NE2 on June 01, 2013, 08:09:17 AM
Note that there are two different types of future: normal Interstate shields with FUTURE up top, and green reassurance signs indicating it's a future Interstate, but there are no signs on intersecting roads.

Only reason I was asking was because I wanted to clear this "OSM Bug (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/note/4993)". ;)






Technically NCDOT got this section approved as "I-73/Future I-840", however they don't plan on signing it until the NC 68/US 220 connector and the I-73 connector between the airport and NC 68 interchanges are done. The exit numbers will be changed reflecting I-73 mileage on this section soon though.


I thought it was part of the current signing project to get official I-73 signs in addition to the exit numbers, but maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on June 04, 2013, 10:43:48 AM
Quote from: jcarte29 on June 04, 2013, 10:19:37 AM
Quote from: Strider on June 04, 2013, 09:58:13 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on June 04, 2013, 01:09:42 AM
Quote from: NE2 on June 01, 2013, 08:09:17 AM
Note that there are two different types of future: normal Interstate shields with FUTURE up top, and green reassurance signs indicating it's a future Interstate, but there are no signs on intersecting roads.

Only reason I was asking was because I wanted to clear this "OSM Bug (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/note/4993)". ;)






Technically NCDOT got this section approved as "I-73/Future I-840", however they don't plan on signing it until the NC 68/US 220 connector and the I-73 connector between the airport and NC 68 interchanges are done. The exit numbers will be changed reflecting I-73 mileage on this section soon though.


I thought it was part of the current signing project to get official I-73 signs in addition to the exit numbers, but maybe I'm wrong.
The current big signing project is for I 73 signage and exit numbers from I 85 south to Ellerbe. The signage for I 73/Future 840 north of I 40 is not part of any announced signage project.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on June 04, 2013, 11:14:26 AM
Fox 8 WGHP reporting today that I-74 Randleman Connector will open by *this* Friday, June 7 with a ribbon-cutting ceremony, to pat themselves on the back for finally finishing it...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 04, 2013, 11:53:14 AM
Quote from: jcarte29 on June 04, 2013, 11:14:26 AM
Fox 8 WGHP reporting today that I-74 Randleman Connector will open by *this* Friday, June 7 with a ribbon-cutting ceremony, to pat themselves on the back for finally finishing it...





About time...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 04, 2013, 04:25:29 PM
Quote from: jcarte29 on June 04, 2013, 11:14:26 AM
Fox 8 WGHP reporting today that I-74 Randleman Connector will open by *this* Friday, June 7 with a ribbon-cutting ceremony, to pat themselves on the back for finally finishing it...

I'll be ready to mark it as open in OSM as soon as that happens then (unless somebody beats me to it, haha).

Quote from: dfilpus on June 04, 2013, 10:43:48 AM
Quote from: jcarte29 on June 04, 2013, 10:19:37 AM
Quote from: Strider on June 04, 2013, 09:58:13 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on June 04, 2013, 01:09:42 AM
Quote from: NE2 on June 01, 2013, 08:09:17 AM
Note that there are two different types of future: normal Interstate shields with FUTURE up top, and green reassurance signs indicating it's a future Interstate, but there are no signs on intersecting roads.

Only reason I was asking was because I wanted to clear this "OSM Bug (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/note/4993)". ;)






Technically NCDOT got this section approved as "I-73/Future I-840", however they don't plan on signing it until the NC 68/US 220 connector and the I-73 connector between the airport and NC 68 interchanges are done. The exit numbers will be changed reflecting I-73 mileage on this section soon though.


I thought it was part of the current signing project to get official I-73 signs in addition to the exit numbers, but maybe I'm wrong.
The current big signing project is for I 73 signage and exit numbers from I 85 south to Ellerbe. The signage for I 73/Future 840 north of I 40 is not part of any announced signage project.

Alright, I'll then go into OSM and remove the "I-73" ref tags from the highway since it's not being posted yet.  Or, better yet, add the word "FUTURE" into the ref tags since it is posted that way.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on June 07, 2013, 08:57:27 AM
No need to take pictures, but I am in the Triad today and plan to drive the "delayed-thousand-times" I-74 freeway lol.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 07, 2013, 11:27:18 AM
let me know how it is.. I will be driving on it tomorrow. lol.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on June 07, 2013, 12:28:57 PM
I will be passing through Winston tonight and Sunday, but will have to hold off the I-74 trip for a later date.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on June 07, 2013, 04:06:48 PM
Just finished drivin the new segment. What a time saver! Winston-Salem to Asheboro- 45 min flat. I remember taking trips to the beach when I was younger and Asheboro was an hour+ because you had to go I-40 to US 220, meaning you went through "Death Vally." Anyways, very nice.

Now about this signing project in SE Winston that hasn't happend yet...lol
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 07, 2013, 11:01:50 PM
The official NCDOT press release regarding today's opening of final segment of the '311 Bypass' (the last part of which isn't US 311, but at least they're not calling it 128) with a couple of video links: https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=8351 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=8351)   I've also updated my I-74 Segment 7b page and exit lists.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 08, 2013, 10:18:10 AM
Drove on the I-74/US 311 Bypass this morning.. and wow. it is now way easier to get to Winston-Salem from Asheboro without traffic backups. Now, there are going to be I-73/I-74 officially designed south (southeast) of I-40 and so on. Now if they can focus on the Western Rockingham Bypass!

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 15, 2013, 12:15:24 PM
Update: all exit numbers are now changed on I-73 south of Greensboro. Signs still haven't been completely changed yet...(except Asheboro section).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on June 15, 2013, 12:59:59 PM
One question.  Why is the NC 134/Alt 220 the dividing line between old and new exit #'s?  You go from Exit 68 to exit 49.  Still, the change is coming.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on June 15, 2013, 01:36:55 PM
Quote from: OracleUsr on June 15, 2013, 12:59:59 PM
One question.  Why is the NC 134/Alt 220 the dividing line between old and new exit #'s?  You go from Exit 68 to exit 49.  Still, the change is coming.
The exits from NC 134/220A south were numbered with US 220 numbers when the freeway was built. When the I 73/74 shields were installed on the segment from NC 134 south to Candor, the exit numbers were left as US 220 numbers. Last year, when the segment through Asheboro was upgraded to interstate standards and the I 73/74 shields installed, those exits were upgraded to I 73 numbers. The current signing project is changing all of the US 220 exit numbers to I 73 numbers. Earlier this week, the new exit numbers were installed from Spero Road north to Greensboro. Vision Drive was not upgraded, so it is the only unnumbered exit from Asheboro north. There are new signposts installed along the highway for changing exit numbers all the way to Ellerbe.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 18, 2013, 01:45:57 AM
Yeah, either way.. I hope the state is moving faster with I-73. The new connector around the PTI Airport area is being moved up to Spring 2014.. so seems like NC really want to sped up construction.

Any news on the I-74 Winston Salem Beltway.. and/or the one southeast of I-95?

Sometimes I just wish SCDOT could just go ahead and build I-73 from Rockingham towards I-95 and temporarily end there first. It will open up the entire corridor from I-40 in Greensboro, NC (for now) towards I-95 near Florence, SC. (while the controversy continues for the I-95 to SC 22 route).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on June 18, 2013, 11:56:50 AM
Quote from: Strider on June 18, 2013, 01:45:57 AM
Sometimes I just wish SCDOT could just go ahead and build I-73 from Rockingham towards I-95 and temporarily end there first. It will open up the entire corridor from I-40 in Greensboro, NC (for now) towards I-95 near Florence, SC. (while the controversy continues for the I-95 to SC 22 route).
The same could be said for VA, where they should build I-73 from the NC line to Roanoke, with some limited-access sections (mostly I-581) already in place.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 20, 2013, 11:26:52 AM
And since the states up north of Virginia is not pursuing for now.. I'd rather to see I-73 from Roanoke to Myrtle Beach. (or at least to I-95).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 07, 2013, 11:27:14 PM
Facebook Southeast Roads group member Chris Curley reports that I-74 milepost exit numbers have been added to the existing US 74 and US 74/76 exits in Columbus County around Whiteville. These have not been accompanied by any new I-74 signs, however (the existing I-74 Corridor signs are still in place). For those keeping track at home:

Interchange       I-74 Exit Number (West to East)
NC 410                             233
US 76 West                      235
Union Valley Rd                 238
US 701 Bypass                 239
US 74-76 Business            242

Speaking of exit numbers, anyone know of any progress renumbering those in I-73/74 south of Asheboro?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 08, 2013, 02:26:15 AM
I am not sure about the exit numbers south of Asheboro.. I have the feeling they are already been changed out.. (since the exit numbers in Greensboro area is already been changed out) but hopefully I will take a trip down and check it out one day.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on July 08, 2013, 01:09:20 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on July 07, 2013, 11:27:14 PM
Facebook Southeast Roads group member Chris Curley reports that I-74 milepost exit numbers have been added to the existing US 74 and US 74/76 exits in Columbus County around Whiteville. These have not been accompanied by any new I-74 signs, however (the existing I-74 Corridor signs are still in place). For those keeping track at home:

Interchange       I-74 Exit Number (West to East)
NC 410                             233
US 76 West                      235
Union Valley Rd                 238
US 701 Bypass                 239
US 74-76 Business            242


East side of that highway near Delco would have to be vastly improved, if not replaced with highway on new location, but a nice touch nevertheless.


Going west for a moment, anyone have an update for a letting project for the designated I-74 Forsyth County portion??
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 08, 2013, 02:57:11 PM
I highly doubt I-74 will end at Wilmington. Evidence: Look at Google Maps of Leland, NC (where I-140 will meet US 74/76), the interchange is planned to be a folded diamond. Unless NCDOT plan on rebuild the interchange again in the future, i think that the plan is for I-74 to continue south to Myrtle Beach on a new alignment (past Whiteville).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on July 08, 2013, 03:19:20 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 08, 2013, 02:57:11 PM
I highly doubt I-74 will end at Wilmington. Evidence: Look at Google Maps of Leland, NC (where I-140 will meet US 74/76), the interchange is planned to be a folded diamond. Unless NCDOT plan on rebuild the interchange again in the future, i think that the plan is for I-74 to continue south to Myrtle Beach on a new alignment (past Whiteville).

I thought this was a dumb move. That new interchange doesn't serve the area well, even if they never intended for I-74 to go further east.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on July 08, 2013, 08:27:10 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 08, 2013, 02:57:11 PM
I highly doubt I-74 will end at Wilmington. Evidence: Look at Google Maps of Leland, NC (where I-140 will meet US 74/76), the interchange is planned to be a folded diamond. Unless NCDOT plan on rebuild the interchange again in the future, i think that the plan is for I-74 to continue south to Myrtle Beach on a new alignment (past Whiteville).

The plan was always to go south to Myrtle Beach, this has not changed despite the wishes of Wilmington.  Here is NCDOT I-74 Feasibility Study link: http://www.ncdot.gov/projects/I74feasibility/ (http://www.ncdot.gov/projects/I74feasibility/).  And if you believe they may one day change their mind, keep in mind they made a compact with South Carolina on the routing (which I doubt they would agree to break) and would have to submit new plans to AASHTO for approval.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on July 08, 2013, 09:00:38 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on July 08, 2013, 08:27:10 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 08, 2013, 02:57:11 PM
I highly doubt I-74 will end at Wilmington. Evidence: Look at Google Maps of Leland, NC (where I-140 will meet US 74/76), the interchange is planned to be a folded diamond. Unless NCDOT plan on rebuild the interchange again in the future, i think that the plan is for I-74 to continue south to Myrtle Beach on a new alignment (past Whiteville).

The plan was always to go south to Myrtle Beach, this has not changed despite the wishes of Wilmington.  Here is NCDOT I-74 Feasibility Study link: http://www.ncdot.gov/projects/I74feasibility/ (http://www.ncdot.gov/projects/I74feasibility/).  And if you believe they may one day change their mind, keep in mind they made a compact with South Carolina on the routing (which I doubt they would agree to break) and would have to submit new plans to AASHTO for approval.


Here's a hypothetical 20 years in the future if/when this is reality- If you are in Laurinburg, NC and you want to go to Myrtle Beach, would you take:

I-74 --
(148 miles, assumin a parallel route with US 74/NC 211/US 17, which is what's proposed)

or would you take

US 501--
(105 miles)

Google Maps also estimates these routes are 45 minutes difference.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 08, 2013, 09:07:07 PM
of which, I will take US 501. (or I-73 in Rockingham)

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on July 08, 2013, 09:54:18 PM
Quote from: jcarte29 on July 08, 2013, 09:00:38 PM
Here's a hypothetical 20 years in the future if/when this is reality- If you are in Laurinburg, NC and you want to go to Myrtle Beach, would you take:

I-74 --
(148 miles, assumin a parallel route with US 74/NC 211/US 17, which is what's proposed)

or would you take

US 501--
(105 miles)

Google Maps also estimates these routes are 45 minutes difference.

Keep in mind that logically you are correct from that location and the only real benefit is if your destination is Ocean Isle Beach and not Myrtle Beach.  But part of the routing decisions for this interstate was so South Carolina would have two and the Carolina Bays Parkway is already built for it, just needs a connection.  The routing is more political than anything else.

But who knows in 20 years, maybe most of US 17 in North Carolina becomes a freeway at that point and they make that an interstate too, never know.  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on July 09, 2013, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on July 08, 2013, 09:54:18 PM
Quote from: jcarte29 on July 08, 2013, 09:00:38 PM
Here's a hypothetical 20 years in the future if/when this is reality- If you are in Laurinburg, NC and you want to go to Myrtle Beach, would you take:

I-74 --
(148 miles, assumin a parallel route with US 74/NC 211/US 17, which is what's proposed)

or would you take

US 501--
(105 miles)

Google Maps also estimates these routes are 45 minutes difference.

Keep in mind that logically you are correct from that location and the only real benefit is if your destination is Ocean Isle Beach and not Myrtle Beach.  But part of the routing decisions for this interstate was so South Carolina would have two and the Carolina Bays Parkway is already built for it, just needs a connection.  The routing is more political than anything else.

But who knows in 20 years, maybe most of US 17 in North Carolina becomes a freeway at that point and they make that an interstate too, never know.  :hmmm:

All valid points- I live right off US 17 and would welcome it being interstate standard up and down NC coastline. (parts of it already are)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on July 09, 2013, 11:24:46 AM
Quote from: Strider on July 08, 2013, 02:57:11 PM
I highly doubt I-74 will end at Wilmington. Evidence: Look at Google Maps of Leland, NC (where I-140 will meet US 74/76), the interchange is planned to be a folded diamond. Unless NCDOT plan on rebuild the interchange again in the future, i think that the plan is for I-74 to continue south to Myrtle Beach on a new alignment (past Whiteville).
They could always sign the Wilmington spur as an I-x74, as the I-20 proposal is dead.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 09, 2013, 09:42:50 PM
I could see the Wilmington spur as an I-x74.. however, It just might be 474 or 674 or 874 since I-274 is probably taken for the Winston-Salem beltway... (last time I heard, it is still not approved yet)

as of I-20, it should have been extended to Myrtle Beach at first place. (that's for another forum).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 12, 2013, 05:42:35 PM
My contact from the Asheboro area reports, from a drive down the corridor to the NC 211 exit on the way to Aberdeen, that 'most' of the new signs and numbers were up, but not all. He, unfortunately, didn't indicate which exits may still have old signs and/or numbers. Sounds like an opportunity for a local to check out what new signage is now up down there.  :D
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 12, 2013, 10:39:18 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on July 07, 2013, 11:27:14 PM
Facebook Southeast Roads group member Chris Curley reports that I-74 milepost exit numbers have been added to the existing US 74 and US 74/76 exits in Columbus County around Whiteville. These have not been accompanied by any new I-74 signs, however (the existing I-74 Corridor signs are still in place). For those keeping track at home:

Interchange       I-74 Exit Number (West to East)
NC 410                             233
US 76 West                      235
Union Valley Rd                 238
US 701 Bypass                 239
US 74-76 Business            242

Speaking of exit numbers, anyone know of any progress renumbering those in I-73/74 south of Asheboro?

Thanks for posting those new exit numbers here for US-74.  I've updated OSM with them in Changeset #16932692 (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/16932692). ;)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 23, 2013, 10:51:58 PM
Some news and a link. The project to upgrade the signage along US 220 south of Greensboro to make it officially I-73 (or I-73/I-74) is now 65% complete, according to the NCDOT Construction Progress report. It is still due to be completed by October, however the contractor is behind with NCDOT's projected completion % as of July 22 being 75%.

I have added some new contributed photos taken of the I-74 freeway and along I-73 north and south of the I-73/I-74 interchange in Randleman. The I-74 photos are at http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg7b.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg7b.html) the other photos are on the I-73 Segment 6 and Segment 8 pages.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 24, 2013, 12:25:10 AM
More I-73 (and I-840) related news. NCDOT has released, 2 months prior to letting, plans for the next segment of the Greensboro Loop from Bryan Blvd to US 220 (Battleground Ave). From perusing the signing plans I've discovered:
1. The scope of the contract includes updating the Loop signage on I-40, on the existing Loop, and on Bryan Blvd up to and including the PTI Airport Exit (which will be 109). The other new exit numbers, as have been reported are 103 for I-40 (SB), 104 for W. Friendly Ave and 107 for Bryan Blvd. As with the other I-73 exits along the loop, I-73 exits itself at Exit 107B.
2. The I-840 exit numbers will be 3A/B (WB) for Bryan Blvd, 6 for US 220 and, in the plans as a future sign, Exit 8 for Lawndale Drive.
3. The I-840 East signage will be accompanied by 'To US 220' but the US 220 shield will be replaced by an I-785 shield when the Loop is completed.
4. The control cities for I-73 North from I-40 will be PTI-GSO Airport and Martinsville (with only Martinsville after the Airport exit). South its Winston-Salem Asheboro (and Raleigh if accompanied by a 'To I-40').
5. The pull through signage at the Bryan Blvd exit and on I-40 for the Loop will be the new up arrow per lane signs, not the diagrammatic signage used elsewhere on the Loop.
6. The mile markers listed in the plans run from 103.5 to 109 for I-73 and 3.5 to 6 for I-840.
7. The plans hint the next section of the Loop to Lawndale Dr will be signed as Future I-840 when it is opened.

Feel free to check out the plans themselves at: http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/dsplan/2013%20Highway%20Letting/09-17-13/Plans%20and%20Proposals/Guilford%20U-2524C%20C203197/Roadway%20Part%20II/ (http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/dsplan/2013%20Highway%20Letting/09-17-13/Plans%20and%20Proposals/Guilford%20U-2524C%20C203197/Roadway%20Part%20II/)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on July 24, 2013, 12:45:08 AM
Once again, Division 9 of North Carolina, which includes Rowan Co up to Forsyth Co, gets the shaft to All-better Greensboro...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on July 24, 2013, 01:13:36 AM
Interesting how the split exit 103B for Westbound I-40 off I-73 north is not left-bannered the split-off ramp from I-40 East to I-73 South is.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 24, 2013, 01:21:05 AM
Hurry up and sign them, NCDOT! But, I bet the Martinsville sign wont be up till after the US 220/NC 68 connector is complete.. but last time I drove up US 220 North of Greensboro.. the construction pretty much sped up.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on July 24, 2013, 09:03:01 AM
Quote from: Strider on July 24, 2013, 01:21:05 AM
Hurry up and sign them, NCDOT! But, I bet the Martinsville sign wont be up till after the US 220/NC 68 connector is complete.. but last time I drove up US 220 North of Greensboro.. the construction pretty much sped up.

I am sure you'll be fine if the signs aren't up for awhile.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 27, 2013, 10:32:21 AM
I know I will be, of course. I just love seeing new I-73 (and I-840) signs popping up.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 27, 2013, 02:19:14 PM
But.. I am curious.. are these future signs going to show up after I-840 is finished to US 220 or?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on July 27, 2013, 03:53:47 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 27, 2013, 02:19:14 PM
But.. I am curious.. are these future signs going to show up after I-840 is finished to US 220 or?

Officially it would be first signed as Future I-840 still until AASHTO approves it being completed to Interstate standards.  But it's a good question since the other side has existed for years from I-40/I-85 to US 70 and haven't been signed officially as I-785/I-840 yet.  The assumption for now it will be Future I-840.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 27, 2013, 10:51:23 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on July 27, 2013, 03:53:47 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 27, 2013, 02:19:14 PM
But.. I am curious.. are these future signs going to show up after I-840 is finished to US 220 or?

Officially it would be first signed as Future I-840 still until AASHTO approves it being completed to Interstate standards.  But it's a good question since the other side has existed for years from I-40/I-85 to US 70 and haven't been signed officially as I-785/I-840 yet.  The assumption for now it will be Future I-840.
Here's a plan for the signs at the future I-73/I-840 split at Bryan Blvd:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gribblenation.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg5sign1.JPG&hash=42e994bc5010549256b437f2aaa3c31d5cb910b0)
It appears it will be I-840 when opened north to US 220, though possibly future I-840 for the segment ending at Lawndale Ave.

I've posted several more of the plan images on my I-73 Segment 4/5 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 28, 2013, 12:55:22 AM
I think that when the eastern Urban Loop is extended, it will be renamed I-785/I-840 as well. But, I have the feeling it'll be renamed I-785 first since it's just a spur. It also may be called Future I-840 still unless otherwise. Since it will be I-840 from I-40/I-73 to US 220, then i can see them rename the eastern part I-785/I-840.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 29, 2013, 11:13:48 AM
Quote from: Strider on July 28, 2013, 12:55:22 AM
I think that when the eastern Urban Loop is extended, it will be renamed I-785/I-840 as well. But, I have the feeling it'll be renamed I-785 first since it's just a spur. It also may be called Future I-840 still unless otherwise. Since it will be I-840 from I-40/I-73 to US 220, then i can see them rename the eastern part I-785/I-840.
NCDOT still has the application for the I-785 designation posted on its route changes page, meaning the FHWA has not agreed to its placement along the Loop yet. Assuming they do, unless they come up with the funds to improve US 29 north of the Loop, it would seem redundant to post I-785 along I-840 just to end it at US 29, when that part of the Loop is opened. Just marking it as I-785 would mean removing the existing (Future) I-840 signage between I-40/85 and US 70 which has been up for more than a decade, which I don't think would be in the interest of NCDOT. Given that Greensboro already has an interstate and an interstate business route on one freeway, it wouldn't surprise me if NCDOT marked the route I-840/Future I-785, however.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 29, 2013, 10:31:33 PM
Or both I-785/I-840.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Grzrd on August 13, 2013, 09:18:06 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on September 17, 2011, 11:30:16 AM
Project involving what will arguably be first I-73 dirt turned in South Carolina has been approved by SCDOT, should begin in a couple of months, and should be completed in 2013:
http://www.thesunnews.com/2011/09/15/2391106/i-73-project-gets-boost.html
Quote
The first construction work associated with controversial Interstate 73 won approval ... In the next three months, construction crews are expected to begin rebuilding a bridge that would later make it easier to construct the superhighway through eastern South Carolina, according to the S.C. Department of Transportation. The work would be done sometime in 2013 ... Commissioner Sarah Nuckles, who voted against the bridge work, said the commission's vote is a bigger deal than many people might realize ... "This is the first dirt moved"  for I-73, Nuckles said. "This is very significant." ... The work will make it easier to build an interchange linking I-73 to I-95, officials said. The interchange would cross Interstate 95 ... "This bridge must be replaced to accommodate the future ramps associated with the I-95/I-73 interchange."  ... In addition to a new bridge across I-95, the project also will widen parts of two roads, U.S. 501 and S.C. 301, and make interchange improvements near the path of the proposed interstate ...

This TV video report (http://www.wbtw.com/story/23118944/pee-dee-economic-development-officials-get-update-on-i-73-progress) has some footage of what (apologies to Alanland) may or may not one day be viewed as the initial construction of I-73 in South Carolina:

Quote
Officials with the North Eastern Strategic Alliance, or NESA, received the update Friday from transportation consultant, Moot Truluck ....
Truluck also told NESA members that construction plans were complete for the 5.7 mile portion of the project that will go through portions of Dillon and Marion Counties, and will eventually intersect portions of I-95 and Hwy. 501.
The main focus of those working on completion of the project now, is funding.
Truluck told officials that various federal, state and grant funds have provided about $125 million for the project, with about $49.4 million of that, yet to be expended.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on August 20, 2013, 07:12:26 PM
Just drove by I-73/74 from NC 24/27 exit (exit 49) up to Greensboro.

I will say that the signing project is 3/4 complete. All milemarkers are now in place (from 49-95) but I am sure the milemarkers are also completed from exit 49 southward.

Seems like there are only a very few signages that need to be changed.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on August 20, 2013, 10:32:15 PM
Quote from: Strider on August 20, 2013, 07:12:26 PM
Just drove by I-73/74 from NC 24/27 exit (exit 49) up to Greensboro.

I will say that the signing project is 3/4 complete. All milemarkers are now in place (from 49-95) but I am sure the milemarkers are also completed from exit 49 southward.

Seems like there are only a very few signages that need to be changed.
Thanks for the update. What about I-73/I-74 signs. Have the future shields been replaced north of Asheboro?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on August 21, 2013, 09:07:10 AM
They still remain "Future". However, judging from the new sign panels right next to the current signage, it will change soon.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on August 21, 2013, 09:27:17 AM
Quote from: Strider on August 21, 2013, 09:07:10 AM
They still remain "Future". However, judging from the new sign panels right next to the current signage, it will change soon.
That's good news.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 16, 2013, 10:04:36 PM
Heard from one of NC contacts that he had driven the length of the US 220 Ellerbe Bypass and that all the exit signs had been replaced with ones with the new numbers. The US 220 Future I-73/I-74 signs were still up, however. Hopefully they have started the process of removing them farther north by now. He will be driving from Asheboro to Greensboro later this week and will let me know.

I have updated my I-73 Exit List with the new information. http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73exit.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73exit.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 17, 2013, 09:46:09 PM
To add to yesterday's news, the NCDOT Construction Progress Report now lists the US 220 sign replacement project as 72.5% complete as of September 7. The remaining funds needed to put up the I-73 and I-74 signs?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on September 28, 2013, 12:18:57 AM
In Greensboro, I-73 South signs are finally put up on the overhead signage with US 220. When you are driving on I-85 South approaching US 220, there is a I-73 SOUTH shield being added. I did took a few photos of it but it was in the direct sunlight, so I am going to try again next time.

When you're driving south on US 220 approaching I-85/I-73 interchange, there is also a sign that now says "US 220 SOUTH to I-73 SOUTH".
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: froggie on September 28, 2013, 01:05:19 AM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on July 27, 2013, 03:53:47 PMOfficially it would be first signed as Future I-840 still until FHWA approves it being completed to Interstate standards.

FTFY.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 11, 2013, 11:24:59 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on September 17, 2013, 09:46:09 PM
To add to yesterday's news, the NCDOT Construction Progress Report now lists the US 220 sign replacement project as 72.5% complete as of September 7. The remaining funds needed to put up the I-73 and I-74 signs?
The signage project is supposed to be complete as of 5 this afternoon (10/11). Meanwhile, work on the High Point interchange along the I-73 portion of the Greensboro Loop will close this part of the highway over the weekend:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=8875 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=8875)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MBHockey13 on October 11, 2013, 10:43:43 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on October 11, 2013, 11:24:59 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on September 17, 2013, 09:46:09 PM
To add to yesterday's news, the NCDOT Construction Progress Report now lists the US 220 sign replacement project as 72.5% complete as of September 7. The remaining funds needed to put up the I-73 and I-74 signs?
The signage project is supposed to be complete as of 5 this afternoon (10/11). Meanwhile, work on the High Point interchange along the I-73 portion of the Greensboro Loop will close this part of the highway over the weekend:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=8875 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=8875)

I live right off High Point Road by this future interchange. I have already taken pics of a lot of the work being done on the new High Point Road. I'll take more and post them if there is any interest.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 13, 2013, 01:10:57 PM
Yeah.. post it up :-)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 14, 2013, 02:13:16 PM
Quote from: MBHockey13 on October 11, 2013, 10:43:43 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on October 11, 2013, 11:24:59 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on September 17, 2013, 09:46:09 PM
To add to yesterday's news, the NCDOT Construction Progress Report now lists the US 220 sign replacement project as 72.5% complete as of September 7. The remaining funds needed to put up the I-73 and I-74 signs?
The signage project is supposed to be complete as of 5 this afternoon (10/11). Meanwhile, work on the High Point interchange along the I-73 portion of the Greensboro Loop will close this part of the highway over the weekend:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=8875 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=8875)

I live right off High Point Road by this future interchange. I have already taken pics of a lot of the work being done on the new High Point Road. I'll take more and post them if there is any interest.



Another interesting thing about this interchange: it will be Greensboro's first Diverging Diamond Interchange (DDI). (future exit 100)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on October 14, 2013, 04:20:11 PM
Quote from: Strider on October 14, 2013, 02:13:16 PM
Quote from: MBHockey13 on October 11, 2013, 10:43:43 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on October 11, 2013, 11:24:59 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on September 17, 2013, 09:46:09 PM
To add to yesterday's news, the NCDOT Construction Progress Report now lists the US 220 sign replacement project as 72.5% complete as of September 7. The remaining funds needed to put up the I-73 and I-74 signs?
The signage project is supposed to be complete as of 5 this afternoon (10/11). Meanwhile, work on the High Point interchange along the I-73 portion of the Greensboro Loop will close this part of the highway over the weekend:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=8875 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=8875)

I live right off High Point Road by this future interchange. I have already taken pics of a lot of the work being done on the new High Point Road. I'll take more and post them if there is any interest.



Another interesting thing about this interchange: it will be Greensboro's first Diverging Diamond Interchange (DDI). (future exit 100)


This confuses me. Isn't Gallimore Dairy Road on I-40 (Exit 211) a DDI???!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 14, 2013, 04:38:53 PM
No, that's a SPUI.

Here is the definition of the DDI:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diverging_diamond_interchange#Other_states



I drove by the I-73/I-85 interchange area and see if there are any new sign changes.. so far, nothing. I think the weather delayed the new signage changes since it's been 3 days late now.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on October 14, 2013, 05:35:56 PM
Quote from: Strider on October 14, 2013, 04:38:53 PM
No, that's a SPUI.

Here is the definition of the DDI:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diverging_diamond_interchange#Other_states



I drove by the I-73/I-85 interchange area and see if there are any new sign changes.. so far, nothing. I think the weather delayed the new signage changes since it's been 3 days late now.


Hmm, neat, thanks for the clarification Strider. On a side note, I do believe that the Union Cross interchange with I-40 in Winston-Salem is planned as a DDI...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 14, 2013, 05:58:35 PM
Quote from: Strider on October 14, 2013, 04:38:53 PM
I drove by the I-73/I-85 interchange area and see if there are any new sign changes.. so far, nothing. I think the weather delayed the new signage changes since it's been 3 days late now.
In related no new sign news. I e-mailed the reporter for the Winston-Salem Journal who wrote about the plan for NCDOT to sign I-74 along US 311 this summer in Forsyth County east of I-40. He reports as of this weekend, it's still signed Future I-74/US 311. He's in contact with NCDOT almost weekly and said he'll e-mail me if he learns when NCDOT is about to put up any new I-74 signs.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 14, 2013, 06:03:35 PM
In Breaking I-73/I-74 News. The completion date for the US 220 sign update project has been moved back to December. Here's the updated project listing: https://apps.dot.state.nc.us/traffictravel/progloc/ProgLocSearch.aspx (https://apps.dot.state.nc.us/traffictravel/progloc/ProgLocSearch.aspx) Apparently, it's more difficult to put up new interstate shields than we thought.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 14, 2013, 11:49:01 PM
Probably ran into money woes... or the weather.. who knows. Hopefully they gets the signage thing done by then.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 19, 2013, 12:25:02 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on October 14, 2013, 06:03:35 PM
In Breaking I-73/I-74 News. The completion date for the US 220 sign update project has been moved back to December. Here's the updated project listing: https://apps.dot.state.nc.us/traffictravel/progloc/ProgLocSearch.aspx (https://apps.dot.state.nc.us/traffictravel/progloc/ProgLocSearch.aspx) Apparently, it's more difficult to put up new interstate shields than we thought.
The Construction Project page for the contract has been updated. The project is listed over 80% complete as of about a week ago. See why the completion date was moved, and now moved further back from Dec. 13 to Dec. 19.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 19, 2013, 01:23:46 PM
Is that one the signage changes or actual construction?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 20, 2013, 04:05:46 PM
Quote from: Strider on October 19, 2013, 01:23:46 PM
Is that one the signage changes or actual construction?
The percentage listed actually is not directly related to the amount of work completed on a contract but the amount spent on the project at the date indicated over the total cost of the contract. You would assume most of the cost of this project is for the creating and installing the new exit signs, so the remaining 20% of costs (and the project is listed as a few percentage points over-budget) could probably account for the making and installing of route shields and sign posts and thus indicates most of that has not been started yet as has been observed.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 21, 2013, 11:50:51 AM
Some good news to report progress-wise, for a change. In perusing the traffic camera image at the I-85 South/I-73/US 220 interchange this morning I was able to spot that the US 220 South ramp sign has finally been updated to includes I-73 South. Hopefully, someone driving in the area can confirm I'm not just seeing things.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on October 21, 2013, 01:41:14 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on October 21, 2013, 11:50:51 AM
Some good news to report progress-wise, for a change. In perusing the traffic camera image at the I-85 South/I-73/US 220 interchange this morning I was able to spot that the US 220 South ramp sign has finally been updated to includes I-73 South. Hopefully, someone driving in the area can confirm I'm not just seeing things.
The last time I passed through there, the US 220 overheads on I 85 South were updated with I 73 shields, but the overheads on the C/D lanes were not updated.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 21, 2013, 07:18:51 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on October 21, 2013, 11:50:51 AM
Some good news to report progress-wise, for a change. In perusing the traffic camera image at the I-85 South/I-73/US 220 interchange this morning I was able to spot that the US 220 South ramp sign has finally been updated to includes I-73 South. Hopefully, someone driving in the area can confirm I'm not just seeing things.




I will drive through the area tomorrow and see if it is confirmed. I drove there as of last week and there is no update on the US 220 South ramp though.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 22, 2013, 08:28:59 PM
Drove by the area earlier today and yes there is in fact now I-73 shields being added to US 220 overhead signage on the US 220 ramp from I-85 South.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 25, 2013, 11:00:45 AM
Quote from: Strider on October 22, 2013, 08:28:59 PM
Drove by the area earlier today and yes there is in fact now I-73 shields being added to US 220 overhead signage on the US 220 ramp from I-85 South.
Here's one of Strider's photos of the new signage, also posted with others he sent me on my I-73 Segment 4/5 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gribblenation.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg5str6.jpg&hash=392b190c19d3c93e8dc13eb0dd93aa55d3d6ad18)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 15, 2013, 02:02:35 PM
No new sign news for I-73, however some construction news. Part of the I-73 Connector Project that is to complete the interstate between the Greensboro Loop and NC 68 has been postponed for a year due to design issues. Fortunately, this part only concerns the redesigning of the existing Loop exit ramps at Bryan Blvd/Future I-73 to accommodate more lanes. The rest of the project, now combined with the NC 68-US 220 Connector project into one design-build contract, is still scheduled to be let in January. The RFP and hearing documents for that contract are available at the NCDOT website https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Design-Build-Letting-Details.aspx?let_id=I-5110%2C+R-2413+A+and+B (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Design-Build-Letting-Details.aspx?let_id=I-5110%2C+R-2413+A+and+B).

The hearing map shows I-73 will not join NC 68 between the 2 'Connectors' but, coming from the PTI Airport, cross over onto a parallel roadway west of NC 68 then cross back over to head for US 220. The NC 68 exit North and South off-ramps from I-73 will be split between the two cross-overs. A bridge will also be built over I-73 to accommodate an airport taxiway. As for the other upcoming I-73 project, the start of the US 220 Rockingham Bypass project is also still scheduled to be let in January (delayed from this past summer).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on November 17, 2013, 10:41:52 AM
Yeah, I agree with redesigning the future I-73/Bryan Blvd/Loop interchange ramps... especially from future I-73 South (Bryan Blvd East) to the Loop going south to I-40.. the merging point is very dangerous. Thank goodness they are adding another lane. But, they should also add another lane at the northern ramp (the flyover) where it merges in a single lane.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 04, 2013, 08:31:03 PM
I drove by I-73/US 220 south of I-85 earlier today and I spotted the I-73/US 220 shields being now up on the road. Since it was dark earlier, I didn't had a chance to take photos of them, but I will do that during the day. But I am happy to report that there is finally official I-73 shields on the highway, making the interstate now official from I-85 South and beyond.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 1995hoo on December 04, 2013, 10:25:03 PM
Quote from: Strider on December 04, 2013, 08:31:03 PM
I drove by I-73/US 220 south of I-85 earlier today and I spotted the I-73/US 220 shields being now up on the road. Since it was dark earlier, I didn't had a chance to take photos of them, but I will do that during the day. But I am happy to report that there is finally official I-73 shields on the highway, making the interstate now official from I-85 South and beyond.

Work crews were out there just south of I-85 on Saturday, November 23, replacing the "FUTURE I-73" shields with standard ones. Dashcam was turned off at the time, so I don't have pictures. I totally forgot to mention it after driving several hundred more miles that day!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 05, 2013, 12:27:58 AM
Yeah, I will try to take some photos of these shields around Guilford County (no reason to go down past that since I'm sure shields are replaced down there). There is also a few new trailblazers showing "GSO-PTI Airport" along I-73 North between I-85 and the Bryan Blvd interchange... but the only thing that haven't changed in the area yet are the exit numbers on the US 220 offramp from I-85 South (still says 122B for I-73/US 220 South and 122A for Groometown Rd) which are supposed to say Exit 122A and Exit 97, and the future I-73/840 multiplex (still uses exits 1-3) which are supposed to be changed to Exits 104 and 107.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on December 05, 2013, 01:23:41 PM
Quote from: Strider on December 05, 2013, 12:27:58 AM
Yeah, I will try to take some photos of these shields around Guilford County (no reason to go down past that since I'm sure shields are replaced down there). There is also a few new trailblazers showing "GSO-PTI Airport" along I-73 North between I-85 and the Bryan Blvd interchange... but the only thing that haven't changed in the area yet are the exit numbers on the US 220 offramp from I-85 South (still says 122B for I-73/US 220 South and 122A for Groometown Rd) which are supposed to say Exit 122A and Exit 97, and the future I-73/840 multiplex (still uses exits 1-3) which are supposed to be changed to Exits 104 and 107.

Dang! As of last Wednesday nothing had changed on I-73 NB upto I-40 WB when I drove through in route to W-S for Thanksgiving. Good news though! I'll be back up there later this month!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on December 05, 2013, 04:58:44 PM
Drove the entire route for the current signing project today. All of the reassurance shields on the main line are no longer Future. US 220 is now rerouted from Candor to Ellerbe back onto US 220 Alternate.
However, the sign complexes at the top of the interchange ramps on the Candor to Ellerbe section still have future banners and US 220 shields.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 05, 2013, 05:43:03 PM
Did you take pictures of these signs? I only took some off Exit 94 of I-73.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 05, 2013, 10:43:22 PM
Quote from: Strider on December 05, 2013, 05:43:03 PM
Did you take pictures of these signs? I only took some off Exit 94 of I-73.
Here is one of Strider's photos that he sent me: (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gribblenation.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg6str1213a.jpg&hash=4674c1a9c4e4872ae24b09aaa360cd7c9c444702)
The rest are on my I-73 Segment 6 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg6.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg6.html) I have also updated other segment pages and the I-73 and I-74 progress summary pages with information from the latest posts.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 05, 2013, 11:05:23 PM
Now, there is only 1 I-73 routing under construction: widening of US 220 North of the future NC 68/US 220 connector/interchange to NC 68, and the other 2: I-73 Connector near PTI-GSO Airport and the NC 68/US 220 Connector itself is going to be under construction in 2014.... seems like North Carolina is trying to finish things up with I-73's routing. But, what about I-74? any news?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on December 06, 2013, 10:31:47 AM
Quote from: Strider on December 05, 2013, 11:05:23 PM
...But, what about I-74? any news?

Forsyth County portion of I-74/US 311 in the south-eastern part of the county only need "official" signs but is approved as part of Interstate system. I-74 to be built between I-40 Business and US 158, scheduled for letting in 2014, construction in 2015.

R. Malme would know this more than I would, but the Rockingham By-Pass (which will carry both I-73/74) is going to let in 2014.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 21, 2013, 12:00:14 PM
NCDOT has released plans for contracts to be let on January 21. The plans page is linked here: http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/dsplan/2014%20Highway%20Letting/01-21-14/Plans%20and%20Proposals/ (http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/dsplan/2014%20Highway%20Letting/01-21-14/Plans%20and%20Proposals/)

Among the plans released are those for the first phase of the I-73/74 Rockingham Bypass project (Richmond County), upgrading US 220 for 3 miles from south of the current end of I-73/74 in Ellerbe. The signage plans indicate that there will be one exit (Exit 23-Dockery Rd/Haywood Cemetery Rd) between Ellerbe and where the Bypass will exit (Exit 22). That US 220 is not going to use the Bypass but stay along its current alignment (I-73 South/I-74 East will be Exit 5 off of US 220 northbound). That, therefore, an announcement made back in 2000 that the existing section of US 220 would be signed as Business I-74 through Rockingham is apparently not going to be the case. The control cities for the future I-73/I-74 to US 74 Bypass signs will be Wilmington and Myrtle Beach. The northbound sings at the southern US 220 exit will indicate Ellerbe and Asheboro. The plans also show a future Exit 20 along the Bypass (Cartledge Creek Rd) which won't be constructed until at least 2018. The last I-73 South mile marker will be 23 and the speed limit will be 65.

I will be updating my I-73 Segment 11 page and the exit listings with this new information.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 22, 2013, 03:53:34 PM
I have updated my I-73 Segment 11 page with the new information based on the signage plans. Here's the plan for the signage for the US 220 exit at the start of the future bypass:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gribblenation.net%2Fi7374nc%2FI73seg11exit22plansm.jpg&hash=2e313fbfa27fa069457c879f44a16ff1bcd8ced0)
The page link: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/I73seg11.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 22, 2013, 04:18:54 PM
What will the interchange design be? A trumpet? A tri-level stack? or does anyone know? but i am glad they are finally focusing on the Rockingham bypass. Not feeling the "TO US 74" signage because you can also reach US 74 heading south on US 220 as well.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on December 22, 2013, 05:01:51 PM
Who sat on the sign?

Fixed link: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html

Unless it's going to be better to exit I-74 and re-enter in Rockingham, to US 74 makes perfect sense, given that it's a western bypass.

Plans: http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/dsplan/2014%20Highway%20Letting/01-21-14/Digital%20Files/R3421C/
When I finish downloading I'll report on trumpetness. edit: never mind, I don't feel like figuring out how to read DGN files again.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NJRoadfan on December 22, 2013, 05:23:55 PM
http://www.bentley.com/en-US/Free+Software/bentley+view.htm
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on December 22, 2013, 06:02:47 PM
Quote from: Strider on December 22, 2013, 04:18:54 PM
What will the interchange design be? A trumpet? A tri-level stack? or does anyone know? but i am glad they are finally focusing on the Rockingham bypass. Not feeling the "TO US 74" signage because you can also reach US 74 heading south on US 220 as well.
According the diagrams in the Signing document, it is going to be a trumpet.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 23, 2013, 04:09:29 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 22, 2013, 05:01:51 PM
Who sat on the sign?

Fixed link: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html

Unless it's going to be better to exit I-74 and re-enter in Rockingham, to US 74 makes perfect sense, given that it's a western bypass.

Plans: http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/dsplan/2014%20Highway%20Letting/01-21-14/Digital%20Files/R3421C/
When I finish downloading I'll report on trumpetness. edit: never mind, I don't feel like figuring out how to read DGN files again.


If that signage is making a perfect sense to you, they should also put up "TO US 1" on US 220 south signage as well even though the Future I-73/74 US 74 also interchanges with US 1 south of town. That's just my opinion.

Hopefully the future interchange itself is just an trumpet.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on December 23, 2013, 04:44:42 PM
Quote from: Strider on December 23, 2013, 04:09:29 PM
If that signage is making a perfect sense to you, they should also put up "TO US 1" on US 220 south signage as well even though the Future I-73/74 US 74 also interchanges with US 1 south of town. That's just my opinion.

Hopefully the future interchange itself is just an trumpet.

I don't see the need for people on the highway know where US 1 is, especially since the interstates will also connect with US 1 once the gap is completed.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 23, 2013, 05:05:27 PM
I managed to open the file to look at the proposed interchange.. the interchange where US 220 (exit 22) will diverge from I-73/74 is going to be an trumpet.

The new exit with Haywood Cemetery Road will be folded diamond (future exit 23).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on December 23, 2013, 05:47:11 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on December 23, 2013, 04:44:42 PM
I don't see the need for people on the highway know where US 1 is, especially since the interstates will also connect with US 1 once the gap is completed.
Exactly. Whereas US 74 west is a major highway to Charlotte.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 24, 2013, 05:51:00 PM
Does anyone foresee NC making any effort to build 73 south of Rockingham to the SC state line without any progress on 73 in SC
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on December 24, 2013, 06:04:04 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on December 24, 2013, 05:51:00 PM
Does anyone foresee NC making any effort to build 73 south of Rockingham to the SC state line without any progress on 73 in SC
My Magic 8-ball is busted.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on December 24, 2013, 09:34:56 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on December 24, 2013, 05:51:00 PM
Does anyone foresee NC making any effort to build 73 south of Rockingham to the SC state line without any progress on 73 in SC
It is my understanding that it will be SCDOT that will build that section, not NCDOT per an agreement made regarding I-73 and I-74.  Considering how South Carolina wants I-73 badly, yet can't seem to put the funds together to build it, it will be a while.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 24, 2013, 10:49:26 PM
Yeah, WashuOtaku is right. SCDOT is supposed to be building that section, but that will be a long awhile. I-73 will probably just end in Rockingham for time being. With the southeast routing of I-74 from Whiteville down to SC line is still unclear, SCDOT should just shift their focus on building that section of I-73 from Rockingaham to closest town in SC near the state line.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on December 24, 2013, 10:57:39 PM
Quote from: Strider on December 24, 2013, 10:49:26 PM
With the southeast routing of I-74 from Whiteville down to SC line is still unclear, SCDOT should just shift their focus on building that section of I-73 from Rockingaham to closest town in SC near the state line.
It's clear that it will tie into SC 31, and almost as clear that it will never be built north of Supply. But I do agree that their focus should be on I-73.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 04, 2014, 01:18:15 PM
I have posted my I-73/I-74 Year in Review blog post for 2013. Thanks to all the AARoads Forum members who have helped keep me up to date on the latest news during this past year:
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2014/01/i-73i-74-in-nc-2013-year-in-review.html (http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2014/01/i-73i-74-in-nc-2013-year-in-review.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CarolinaPaladin on January 15, 2014, 12:26:01 PM
Indeed it will be an interesting year in Rockingham for Interstates 73 and 74.

Regarding United States Highway 220 south, is the planned interchange a y-interchange with a flyover for US-220 southbound traffic?  The approved signage displays two lanes diverting for US-220 south.

In regards to I-73 and I-74 connecting with US-74's bypass, I would assume the current interchange with US-74 bypass and US-74 business routes would be improved.  I imagine an improved interchange similar in design to US-501 and SC-31 (Carolina Bays Parkway) in Myrtle Beach, Horry County, South Carolina.  The interchange is two opposite trumpet interchanges.  Is there a designed interchange already?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 15, 2014, 12:51:14 PM
Quote from: CarolinaPaladin on January 15, 2014, 12:26:01 PMconnecting with US-74's bypass, I would assume the current interchange with US-74 bypass and US-74 business routes would be improved.

you mean there's three 74s in the area!?

what a crock of shit, this I-74 mess.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on January 15, 2014, 01:12:45 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 15, 2014, 12:51:14 PM

you mean there's three 74s in the area!?

what a crock of shit, this I-74 mess.

A little east there are 4.

East of Maxton there is an interchange involving I-74, US 74, US 74-A, and US 74 Bus

No one place shows all 4 signs in one view that I can find but here they are on opposite sides of the same bridge:
http://goo.gl/maps/ICRLM and http://goo.gl/maps/2nPhU

Mapmikey
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CarolinaPaladin on January 15, 2014, 01:42:54 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 15, 2014, 12:51:14 PM
Quote from: CarolinaPaladin on January 15, 2014, 12:26:01 PMconnecting with US-74's bypass, I would assume the current interchange with US-74 bypass and US-74 business routes would be improved.

you mean there's three 74s in the area!?

what a crock of shit, this I-74 mess.

Quote from: Mapmikey on January 15, 2014, 01:12:45 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 15, 2014, 12:51:14 PM

you mean there's three 74s in the area!?

what a crock of shit, this I-74 mess.

A little east there are 4.

East of Maxton there is an interchange involving I-74, US 74, US 74-A, and US 74 Bus

No one place shows all 4 signs in one view that I can find but here they are on opposite sides of the same bridge:
http://goo.gl/maps/ICRLM and http://goo.gl/maps/2nPhU

Mapmikey

Four routes numbered 74 are overkill indeed. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: english si on January 15, 2014, 02:40:45 PM
2 is just about tolerable*, if one has a blue/red shield and the other has a white one: the big crime is three white-shielded 74 routes.

*There's other, bigger, horrors with the I-74 designation that make it even less tolerable.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on January 15, 2014, 02:58:36 PM
Four parallel 'white-shielded' US 70 routes through the Smithfield-Selma area.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/35.5091/-78.2959&layers=Q
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CarolinaPaladin on January 15, 2014, 04:57:42 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 15, 2014, 02:58:36 PM
Four parallel 'white-shielded' US 70 routes through the Smithfield-Selma area.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/35.5091/-78.2959&layers=Q

I-495 is designated on that map from I-440 to US-264.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on January 15, 2014, 05:32:31 PM
Quote from: CarolinaPaladin on January 15, 2014, 04:57:42 PM
I-495 is designated on that map from I-440 to US-264.

Well, that's incorrect.  It's only between I-440 and I-540; but it is edited by regular people, so mistakes will happen... like Google maps and Apple maps.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CarolinaPaladin on January 15, 2014, 10:57:17 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on January 15, 2014, 05:32:31 PM
Quote from: CarolinaPaladin on January 15, 2014, 04:57:42 PM
I-495 is designated on that map from I-440 to US-264.

Well, that's incorrect.  It's only between I-440 and I-540; but it is edited by regular people, so mistakes will happen... like Google maps and Apple maps.

It will be correct in time.  Now when I-795's northern terminus is extended to I-495...groundwork will be rolling there.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 15, 2014, 11:04:02 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on January 15, 2014, 05:32:31 PM
Quote from: CarolinaPaladin on January 15, 2014, 04:57:42 PM
I-495 is designated on that map from I-440 to US-264.

Well, that's incorrect.  It's only between I-440 and I-540; but it is edited by regular people, so mistakes will happen... like Google maps and Apple maps.
Unlike Google maps they have placed I-74 along the entire length of the US 311 freeway from I-40 to I-73, while not signed in Forsyth County yet, its officially I-74 according to the FHWA. Like Google maps, they include I-74 on the US 74 Rockingham Bypass, but unlike Google, not on the Laurinburg/Maxton Bypass. Meanwhile, the have removed US 220 from its entire corridor south of Greensboro but still refer to Alt US 220 where it now leaves I-73/74 south of Candor.

Meanwhile, I was curious to see how old the Google Street View images along the Bypass were and what they showed for signage in the Laurinburg area, so I continued up the Bypass on Google from the link from a couple posts above. The images are from last April and still show empty signposts where the I-74 signs were. In addition, NCDOT has added a 'To' Banner to the I-74 East signage since I had last checked out the on-ramps at the NC 71 exit and also removed the I-74 reassurance shield to the east, meaning NCDOT now conforms to where the FHWA says the next segment of I-74 begins, at Alt 74/Bus. 74.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on January 16, 2014, 12:47:21 PM
I hope NCDOT will do something with the 74 mess after I-74 is being built in the state. It's a serious mess. Some routes should be reduced to state routes. Or they can move US 74 back to the old alignment and leave just I-74. Still a mess, but less messier.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on January 16, 2014, 06:11:22 PM
Quote from: Strider on January 16, 2014, 12:47:21 PM
I hope NCDOT will do something with the 74 mess after I-74 is being built in the state. It's a serious mess. Some routes should be reduced to state routes. Or they can move US 74 back to the old alignment and leave just I-74. Still a mess, but less messier.

Highly unlikely NCDOT will do anything with US 74, since its still considered a major highway that links the southern areas of the state, from the Mountains to the Beach.  Removing the entire route would mean changing EVERYTHING... and that's not in the budget.  And honestly, I believe most people know the difference between US 74 and Interstate 74.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on January 16, 2014, 10:37:33 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on January 16, 2014, 06:11:22 PM
Quote from: Strider on January 16, 2014, 12:47:21 PM
I hope NCDOT will do something with the 74 mess after I-74 is being built in the state. It's a serious mess. Some routes should be reduced to state routes. Or they can move US 74 back to the old alignment and leave just I-74. Still a mess, but less messier.

Highly unlikely NCDOT will do anything with US 74, since its still considered a major highway that links the southern areas of the state, from the Mountains to the Beach.  Removing the entire route would mean changing EVERYTHING... and that's not in the budget.  And honestly, I believe most people know the difference between US 74 and Interstate 74.




Of course, NCDOT wouldn't. We know them too well. I am just saying there's a possibility but we can just dream. Either way, I am looking forward to the completion of the Rockingham bypass.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on January 23, 2014, 07:13:50 PM
No updates on I-74 signage along US 311 between I-40 and High Point city line. However, while driving east on I-40, just before the US 311 interchange, I spotted a brand new I-74 signage that interprets "I-74 East exits here" like EAST I-74 RIGHT ARROW. That's pretty much it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 23, 2014, 10:13:12 PM
Quote from: Strider on January 23, 2014, 07:13:50 PM
No updates on I-74 signage along US 311 between I-40 and High Point city line. However, while driving east on I-40, just before the US 311 interchange, I spotted a brand new I-74 signage that interprets "I-74 East exits here" like EAST I-74 RIGHT ARROW. That's pretty much it.
Well, I guess that's some progress. If you get back there with a camera sometime, I'd happily post a photo it on my site.
The contract for the first phase of the Rockingham Bypass was let Tuesday, hopefully construction will start by March.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on January 24, 2014, 11:10:08 AM
Quote from: Strider on January 23, 2014, 07:13:50 PM
No updates on I-74 signage along US 311 between I-40 and High Point city line. However, while driving east on I-40, just before the US 311 interchange, I spotted a brand new I-74 signage that interprets "I-74 East exits here" like EAST I-74 RIGHT ARROW. That's pretty much it.

was it overhead? and was it a shield accompanied by text? or just text?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on January 24, 2014, 02:12:00 PM
http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/12202954/2/stock-photo-12202954-interstate-40-east-highway-road-sign.jpg (http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/12202954/2/stock-photo-12202954-interstate-40-east-highway-road-sign.jpg)


Nope, it's just like the photo above.. except it is "74" instead of "40". The next time I am on this way, I will pull over and get a photo of it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on February 07, 2014, 07:45:23 PM
Spoke with Wesley Young of the Winston-Salem Journal a couple days ago. He spoke with Div 9 Engineer Pat Ivey recently, and found out the project to sign Forsyth County's portion of I-74 is still planned, just delayed. He did confirm they placed the I-74 sign as a short term fix. He will continue to monitor and write another article when he knows more.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on February 08, 2014, 08:41:40 PM
Yeah that explains why i saw the I-74 ground sign out there.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on March 05, 2014, 11:41:57 PM
Curious, but does anybody have photos showing US-220 being removed between Exits #25 and #41?  Just wanted to make sure that part of the signage upgrade has been done before I update it in OSM.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on March 05, 2014, 11:53:57 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on March 05, 2014, 11:41:57 PM
Curious, but does anybody have photos showing US-220 being removed between Exits #25 and #41?  Just wanted to make sure that part of the signage upgrade has been done before I update it in OSM.

Yeeeep.  I can confirm that US 220 was moved back on its original alignment between exit 25-41.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm6.staticflickr.com%2F5545%2F11719394164_101cbd2517.jpg&hash=b6ff42bd55453e83f78c014d619684b4b49b6b23) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7303%2F11719355553_95d585fbab.jpg&hash=af8116730e5bf950f2e67f124916f5be0b3eae73)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on March 06, 2014, 12:33:27 AM
Have I mentioned that NCDOT rules?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on March 06, 2014, 09:29:53 AM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on March 05, 2014, 11:53:57 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on March 05, 2014, 11:41:57 PM
Curious, but does anybody have photos showing US-220 being removed between Exits #25 and #41?  Just wanted to make sure that part of the signage upgrade has been done before I update it in OSM.

Yeeeep.  I can confirm that US 220 was moved back on its original alignment between exit 25-41.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm6.staticflickr.com%2F5545%2F11719394164_101cbd2517.jpg&hash=b6ff42bd55453e83f78c014d619684b4b49b6b23) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7303%2F11719355553_95d585fbab.jpg&hash=af8116730e5bf950f2e67f124916f5be0b3eae73)

Thanks for the conformation.  I've now fixed OSM in that area. :)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 06, 2014, 10:48:55 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on March 06, 2014, 09:29:53 AM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on March 05, 2014, 11:53:57 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on March 05, 2014, 11:41:57 PM
Curious, but does anybody have photos showing US-220 being removed between Exits #25 and #41?  Just wanted to make sure that part of the signage upgrade has been done before I update it in OSM.

Yeeeep.  I can confirm that US 220 was moved back on its original alignment between exit 25-41.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm6.staticflickr.com%2F5545%2F11719394164_101cbd2517.jpg&hash=b6ff42bd55453e83f78c014d619684b4b49b6b23) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7303%2F11719355553_95d585fbab.jpg&hash=af8116730e5bf950f2e67f124916f5be0b3eae73)

Thanks for the conformation.  I've now fixed OSM in that area. :)
I assume those are Begin North I-73/West I-74 signs in the background of Exit 25.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on March 06, 2014, 01:25:22 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on March 06, 2014, 10:48:55 AM
I assume those are Begin North I-73/West I-74 signs in the background of Exit 25.

Your assumption is correct.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3792%2F11719260793_6fd302739d.jpg&hash=c58ed14d7a2106b9c03277237de139d63e85d2ad)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 06, 2014, 01:52:10 PM
how much more wrong can we get?

* random beginning in the beginning of nowhere
* useless multiplex
* 73 connects nothing to nowhere
* 74 connects lots of nothings to lots of nowheres, doesn't fit the grid, conflicts with US-74, and duplicates the number of a legitimate interstate
* '70 spec shields with oversize number and no state name

and people think 238 is an issue?  238 is an important link with a silly number.  this is just bizarro-pork.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on March 06, 2014, 03:24:34 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 06, 2014, 01:52:10 PM
how much more wrong can we get?

* random beginning in the beginning of nowhere
* useless multiplex
* 73 connects nothing to nowhere
* 74 connects lots of nothings to lots of nowheres, doesn't fit the grid, conflicts with US-74, and duplicates the number of a legitimate interstate
* '70 spec shields with oversize number and no state name

and people think 238 is an issue?  238 is an important link with a silly number.  this is just bizarro-pork.

There is also "end" signs located on the otherside too, I just didn't post the picture.  But you are not being fair because these interstates are still being extended in the state.  Construction south of here is slated to begin in a couple of years; the current interstate system wasn't built overnight, took several decades.

Both I-73 and I-74 take different routes to Myrtle Beach (splitting at Rockingham), which has no interstate connection; when the interstate is expanded beyond North Carolina, it will connect the Mid-west states to the Southeast.  I-73 north connects Asheboro and Greensboro and eventually Roanoke, VA.  I-74 connects High Point, Winston-Salem and Mount Airy.

Nobody seems to be confused with US 74 and I-74.

The interstate shield style is used throughout North Carolina; they do not put their state name on them.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on March 06, 2014, 04:16:28 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on March 06, 2014, 03:24:34 PMwhen the interstate is expanded beyond North Carolina, it will connect the Mid-west states to the Southeast

Except it won't.

You won't see I-74 in Virginia, West Virginia and Ohio/Kentucky, and I have my doubts that you'll ever see I-73 in Virginia.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on March 06, 2014, 04:19:57 PM
I see I-74 in Ohio.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 06, 2014, 05:19:08 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on March 06, 2014, 01:25:22 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on March 06, 2014, 10:48:55 AM
I assume those are Begin North I-73/West I-74 signs in the background of Exit 25.

Your assumption is correct.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3792%2F11719260793_6fd302739d.jpg&hash=c58ed14d7a2106b9c03277237de139d63e85d2ad)
Could I possibly post the photo, and the others, on my I-73/I-74 site?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: US 41 on March 06, 2014, 05:59:58 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 06, 2014, 04:19:57 PM
I see I-74 in Ohio.

The only reason you see it is because it already exists west of Cincinnati. I sort of doubt we'll ever see it east of Cincinnati.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 06, 2014, 06:50:26 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on March 06, 2014, 03:24:34 PMBut you are not being fair because these interstates are still being extended in the state.  Construction south of here is slated to begin in a couple of years; the current interstate system wasn't built overnight, took several decades.

why does NC get to post I-73/74 as every segment is opened, while Alabama, Mississippi, and Tennessee have to wait for I-22?  I-22 is a much more significantly continuous route.  73/74 reminds me of the boondoggle that is 69.

QuoteBoth I-73 and I-74 take different routes to Myrtle Beach (splitting at Rockingham), which has no interstate connection;

lots of places have no interstate connection.  it's Myrtle Beach, not Chicago. 

QuoteI-73 north connects Asheboro and Greensboro and eventually Roanoke, VA.  I-74 connects High Point, Winston-Salem and Mount Airy.
US-220 is a perfectly adequate number for a regional freeway.  (just ask Pennsylvania!)  or, I can actually see 73 as a valid number (without the whole FritzOwlesque pipe dream of "gee whiz let's connect it to Michigan!"), but 74 is just completely ridiculous.

QuoteNobody seems to be confused with US 74 and I-74.
not even at the 74 split?  there are so many integers available for an ostensibly east-west interstate south of I-40... why did they have to pick 74? as with 99, the bastardization of a mathematically coherent system for political purposes continues.  (this precise "we must have this number pass through our town!" gerrymandering is why AASHO originally insisted on a grid-based system in 1926.)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 06, 2014, 07:40:41 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 06, 2014, 06:50:26 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on March 06, 2014, 03:24:34 PMBut you are not being fair because these interstates are still being extended in the state.  Construction south of here is slated to begin in a couple of years; the current interstate system wasn't built overnight, took several decades.

why does NC get to post I-73/74 as every segment is opened, while Alabama, Mississippi, and Tennessee have to wait for I-22?  I-22 is a much more significantly continuous route.  73/74 reminds me of the boondoggle that is 69.

QuoteBoth I-73 and I-74 take different routes to Myrtle Beach (splitting at Rockingham), which has no interstate connection;

lots of places have no interstate connection.  it's Myrtle Beach, not Chicago. 

QuoteI-73 north connects Asheboro and Greensboro and eventually Roanoke, VA.  I-74 connects High Point, Winston-Salem and Mount Airy.
US-220 is a perfectly adequate number for a regional freeway.  (just ask Pennsylvania!)  or, I can actually see 73 as a valid number (without the whole FritzOwlesque pipe dream of "gee whiz let's connect it to Michigan!"), but 74 is just completely ridiculous.

QuoteNobody seems to be confused with US 74 and I-74.
not even at the 74 split?  there are so many integers available for an ostensibly east-west interstate south of I-40... why did they have to pick 74? as with 99, the bastardization of a mathematically coherent system for political purposes continues.  (this precise "we must have this number pass through our town!" gerrymandering is why AASHO originally insisted on a grid-based system in 1926.)




I-73 and I-74 is congressional designed interstates, just like 99 and 69. You don't like it.. take it up to them. I-73/74 will connect to Ohio, Michigan, West Virginia and Virginia. However, it will not be happening in our lifetime. The farthest I-73 will connect is Myrtle Beach, SC and Roanoke, VA. I don't know about I-74 though and personally I support I-73 more than I-74.

I-22 isn't designed because it have not connect to a interstate yet (I-65 interchange is still under construction), but I do recall in some places there are I-22 shields up. Somebody will confirm that.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on March 06, 2014, 07:49:18 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on March 06, 2014, 05:19:08 PM
Could I possibly post the photo, and the others, on my I-73/I-74 site?

As long as you provide credit and link back to my flickr page.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/washuotaku/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/washuotaku/)

I have more pictures, you can do a search on my photostream when you get there, I use tags.  :-D
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: english si on March 06, 2014, 08:00:53 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 06, 2014, 06:50:26 PMnot even at the 74 split?  there are so many integers available for an ostensibly east-west interstate south of I-40... why did they have to pick 74?
Because those who planned the scheme wanted the Cincinnati-Portsmouth interstate to connect Cincinnati with places east/south east in a more direct way as part of the congressionally designated future interstate corridor and they also needed a number for the alternate, N-S, round the houses, route through the Carolinas and decided that the best way to do it was to have I-74 run concurrent through the Virginias and pretend that the alt route was E-W?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on March 06, 2014, 08:09:06 PM
Who was the original proponent of I-73/74? For example, the I-69 porkstension began as an Indy-Evansville route being pushed by folks in Washington, Indiana. Was I-73/74 an outgrowth of an I-95 link to Myrtle Beach studied in 1982 (http://www.i73insc.com/history.shtml)? Or did this simply get tacked onto the end of Bluefield's desire to get US 52 four-laned (http://www.i73.com/aboutus.html)?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 06, 2014, 08:54:46 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 06, 2014, 08:09:06 PMthe I-69 porkstension began as an Indy-Evansville route being pushed by folks in Washington, Indiana.
that's some mighty fine porkery, getting a road extended a bit southward in Indiana.  oh, like all the way to the Texas/Mexico border.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Thing 342 on March 06, 2014, 09:50:09 PM
IMO, I think that I-73 has greater utility than NC!I-74 as currently planned. I-74's route (specifically east of I-95) looks like it was drawn by someone's 2-year old child.The best solution, IMO, would be to route I-73 along I-74's planned route north of the split in High Point, and then simply decommission the rest. Unfortunately, it seems that the most important part of the 73/74 project (I-95- MB connector) will be among the last built.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Tom958 on March 06, 2014, 09:52:33 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 06, 2014, 08:09:06 PM
Who was the original proponent of I-73/74? For example, the I-69 porkstension began as an Indy-Evansville route being pushed by folks in Washington, Indiana. Was I-73/74 an outgrowth of an I-95 link to Myrtle Beach studied in 1982 (http://www.i73insc.com/history.shtml)? Or did this simply get tacked onto the end of Bluefield's desire to get US 52 four-laned (http://www.i73.com/aboutus.html)?

The first I ever heard about it, back in the '80's, it was the latter. And it was just I-73 at that point, from Myrtle Beach to Toledo via Winston Salem...

Quote from: Thing 342The best solution, IMO, would be to route I-73 along I-74's planned route north of the split in High Point...

Yeah, like that. :)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on March 06, 2014, 09:59:47 PM
Quote from: Thing 342 on March 06, 2014, 09:50:09 PM
The best solution, IMO, would be to route I-73 along I-74's planned route north of the split in High Point, and then simply decommission the rest.
Yep. I-73 from Mount Airy to Myrtle Beach, and I-74 from Charlotte to Wilmington.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on March 06, 2014, 10:48:11 PM
Quote from: Thing 342 on March 06, 2014, 09:50:09 PM
IMO, I think that I-73 has greater utility than NC!I-74 as currently planned. I-74's route (specifically east of I-95) looks like it was drawn by someone's 2-year old child.The best solution, IMO, would be to route I-73 along I-74's planned route north of the split in High Point, and then simply decommission the rest. Unfortunately, it seems that the most important part of the 73/74 project (I-95- MB connector) will be among the last built.

I-73 is an important route in and around Greensboro.  Which is why they are currently constructing I-73 north of Greensboro now.  When Virginia gets their butts in gear and start building the freeway to Roanoke, then its existence will be less questioned (they already got an approved route: http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/Salem/I-73_Map_December_2012.jpg (http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/Salem/I-73_Map_December_2012.jpg)).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 07, 2014, 01:08:25 AM
Exactly, plus, NCDOT are going to rebuild/construct I-73 connector between NC 68 and Future I-840/I-73/Bryan Blvd soon, like in 2015 I think. So, we have 2 sections of I-73 under construction right now (NC 68/US 220 connector & the one south of Ellebre) with one more coming up at the PTI Airport area (I-73 Connector).

I haven't heard anything about I-74 except the short section of W-S beltway between US 158 and Business 40 that will be under construction soon.

So, I have the feeling NCDOT is focusing more on I-73 more.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 07, 2014, 01:14:46 AM
Also, in other I-73 related news, Virginia Senate passes I-73 study. That's a good news. Hopefully they can go forward with that soon.

http://www.martinsvillebulletin.com/article.cfm?ID=41116

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on March 07, 2014, 02:13:16 AM
Maybe the study will jibe with common sense and recommend spot upgrades to US 220. Not everything needs to be Interstate standard.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on March 07, 2014, 11:21:45 AM
Quote from: NE2 on March 07, 2014, 02:13:16 AM
Maybe the study will jibe with common sense and recommend spot upgrades to US 220. Not everything needs to be Interstate standard.

Elizabeth, honey, I'm-a comin' to join you.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: I94RoadRunner on March 08, 2014, 01:49:31 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on March 06, 2014, 10:48:55 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on March 06, 2014, 09:29:53 AM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on March 05, 2014, 11:53:57 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on March 05, 2014, 11:41:57 PM
Curious, but does anybody have photos showing US-220 being removed between Exits #25 and #41?  Just wanted to make sure that part of the signage upgrade has been done before I update it in OSM.

Yeeeep.  I can confirm that US 220 was moved back on its original alignment between exit 25-41.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm6.staticflickr.com%2F5545%2F11719394164_101cbd2517.jpg&hash=b6ff42bd55453e83f78c014d619684b4b49b6b23) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7303%2F11719355553_95d585fbab.jpg&hash=af8116730e5bf950f2e67f124916f5be0b3eae73)

Thanks for the conformation.  I've now fixed OSM in that area. :)
I assume those are Begin North I-73/West I-74 signs in the background of Exit 25.

And what exactly is NCDOT's point here .....? This seems silly to relocate only a 16 mile piece of US 220 back to its original alignment IMO. Why either wait until I-73/74 gets completed or else just leave the old road ALT US 220 .....? Not like travelers need more confusion with more sign changes right now, yes .....?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: froggie on March 08, 2014, 05:57:40 AM
Regarding I-73 in Virginia, the reality is that it's no more than a pipe dream of Roanoke, a few cities in the Carolinas, and a few members of this forum.  No private consortium is going to float a serious PPP for it because the ROI just isn't there...between the very high construction costs (due to the terrain) and fairly low traffic volumes on a corridor that's really not all that congested.  And VDOT doesn't have the cash flow to fund it themselves.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on March 08, 2014, 08:17:49 AM
Quote from: I94RoadRunner on March 08, 2014, 01:49:31 AM
And what exactly is NCDOT's point here .....? This seems silly to relocate only a 16 mile piece of US 220 back to its original alignment IMO. Why either wait until I-73/74 gets completed or else just leave the old road ALT US 220 .....? Not like travelers need more confusion with more sign changes right now, yes .....?

That section was never formally rerouted and approved through AASHTO, while previous sections north were before I-73/I-74 were signed.  Basically, it was a place holder till I-73/I-74 was more complete further north to warrant the huge signage change in 2013.

Here are the various documentations found on NCDOT's website:
NCDOT officially moving US 220 along new freeway, establishing Bypass/Business Routes: https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/1972_11_02.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/1972_11_02.pdf)
NCDOT officially moving US 220 along new freeway, establishing Alternate route:  https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/1979_11_01.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/1979_11_01.pdf)
NCDOT extending US 220 along new freeway, extending Bypass/Business routes: https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/1982_03_01.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/1982_03_01.pdf)
NCDOT establishes I-73/I-74 overlapping US 220: https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/1996_09_20.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/1996_09_20.pdf)
NCDOT getting approval of I-73/I-74 south to Ellerbe: https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/2011_07_07.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/2011_07_07.pdf)
NCDOT extending I-73/I-74 north: https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/2012_07_11.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/2012_07_11.pdf)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Tom958 on March 08, 2014, 08:20:55 PM
Narrow shoulders? WTF?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7303%2F11719355553_95d585fbab.jpg&hash=af8116730e5bf950f2e67f124916f5be0b3eae73)

Quote from: froggie on March 08, 2014, 05:57:40 AM
Regarding I-73 in Virginia, the reality is that it's no more than a pipe dream of Roanoke, a few cities in the Carolinas, and a few members of this forum.  No private consortium is going to float a serious PPP for it because the ROI just isn't there...between the very high construction costs (due to the terrain) and fairly low traffic volumes on a corridor that's really not all that congested.  And VDOT doesn't have the cash flow to fund it themselves.

I've never driven it (the Greensboro-Roanoke corridor), but my daughter did on a recent trip from Greensboro to Pennsylvania, and she said, "I liked that part." :)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on March 08, 2014, 10:28:50 PM
Quote from: Tom958 on March 08, 2014, 08:20:55 PM
Narrow shoulders? WTF?

Well, technically the grass area is the shoulder; this is common on most freeways built in the last twenty years in the state.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: roadman65 on March 08, 2014, 10:39:19 PM
Yeah, but for interstate standards the shoulders are to be at least 10 feet wide.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: amroad17 on March 08, 2014, 11:24:20 PM
I-73 originally was not supposed to go from Princeton to Roanoke and then down to Greensboro.  It was supposed to follow the route that I-74 is now in NC.  Apparently, some VA lawmakers tweaked the bill to have I-73 go through Roanoke and along US 220 to help the economy in that part of the Commonwealth.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on March 09, 2014, 04:28:55 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on March 08, 2014, 11:24:20 PM
I-73 originally was not supposed to go from Princeton to Roanoke and then down to Greensboro.  It was supposed to follow the route that I-74 is now in NC.  Apparently, some VA lawmakers tweaked the bill to have I-73 go through Roanoke and along US 220 to help the economy in that part of the Commonwealth.

Isn't the Smart Road in Blacksburg supposed to become part of I-73?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 09, 2014, 04:46:23 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 09, 2014, 04:28:55 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on March 08, 2014, 11:24:20 PM
I-73 originally was not supposed to go from Princeton to Roanoke and then down to Greensboro.  It was supposed to follow the route that I-74 is now in NC.  Apparently, some VA lawmakers tweaked the bill to have I-73 go through Roanoke and along US 220 to help the economy in that part of the Commonwealth.

Isn't the Smart Road in Blacksburg supposed to become part of I-73?
Yes, though the designation, if not the road itself, is based on I-73 continuing further north into WV and Ohio. It doesn't appear that's likely for a long while, or ever.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on March 09, 2014, 05:01:05 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on March 09, 2014, 04:46:23 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 09, 2014, 04:28:55 PM
Isn't the Smart Road in Blacksburg supposed to become part of I-73?
Yes, though the designation, if not the road itself, is based on I-73 continuing further north into WV and Ohio. It doesn't appear that's likely for a long while, or ever.

I believe West Virginia is committed in constructing the King Coal Highway (US 52).  The only problem is that it's West Virginia.  :pan:  There is a lot of mountain to cut through there and not to many politicians eager to throw money at it; heck, there are still US Routes trying to be built in the state.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: amroad17 on March 09, 2014, 09:16:25 PM
As of the near future, I-73 will not go any further north than Roanoke.  The King Coal Highway, whenever it is completed, will be a four-lane divided expressway ala OH 32 in Ohio or US 50 from Parkersburg to Clarksburg.  I-74 in NC will never connect to I-74 in Cincinnati.

With our country's current economic situation, the grand plans of I-73/74 will not ever come to fruition.  We will be left with a partial US 52 freeway between Ironton and Portsmouth, US 23 currently as is, a US 52 upgrade in WV (maybe), no changes in Michigan, and possibly a completed I-73 between Roanoke and Greensboro.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 09, 2014, 09:32:14 PM
I think I-74 will just exist as a 2 separate interstate just like I-76, I-84, I-86, I-88.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 28, 2014, 11:20:47 AM
The latest NCDOT Construction Progress Report update on the US 220 (Future I-73) widening project north of Greensboro indicates that the project is seriously behind. While it is projected to be nearly 50% complete at this time, it appears to be less than 30% done. Has anyone checked out the area recently or heard anything about causes for the delays?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: US 41 on March 28, 2014, 05:30:23 PM
I think I-74 should end in Wilmington. Running it down to Myrtle Beach isn't all that good of an idea.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on March 28, 2014, 10:32:39 PM
Quote from: US 41 on March 28, 2014, 05:30:23 PM
I think I-74 should end in Wilmington. Running it down to Myrtle Beach isn't all that good of an idea.

Well, you are not the first person to say that... but, it's still going to Garden City, South Carolina... some day.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 30, 2014, 01:30:43 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on March 28, 2014, 11:20:47 AM
The latest NCDOT Construction Progress Report update on the US 220 (Future I-73) widening project north of Greensboro indicates that the project is seriously behind. While it is projected to be nearly 50% complete at this time, it appears to be less than 30% done. Has anyone checked out the area recently or heard anything about causes for the delays?


I don't know about that section, but I did drove on that section of US 220 south of the proposed connector route, and there was nothing new going on there.. yeah you could say it's seriously behind. I will try to check out the proposed connector area and see if it looks the same as last time I went up there (which is nearly a year) or not.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 04, 2014, 11:38:49 AM
NCDOT received the lowest bid yesterday of $176.55 million for a design/build contract to construct 9.4 miles of I-73 (along with a new airport taxiway bridge) in Guilford County from the PTI Airport to NC 68 and then NC 68 northeast to US 220 near the Haw River from the partnership of Flatiron Construction Inc. & Blythe Development Inc. According to the Item C sheet, work can start on May 14 with the contractors promising completion by April 2017. This project will tie I-73 to the widened US 220 now being constructed north to NC 68 in Rockingham County (given the rate that work's going though, this may not be finished by 2017).

With work on the next segment of the western part of the Greensboro Loop underway and the next eastern segment contract to be bid in September, Greensboro will be a very busy place as far as road construction goes for the next 4 or 5 years.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on April 04, 2014, 12:37:48 PM
With, what seems to be most of the remaining Greensboro work going to bid, when do you think we will start to see significant lettings in Winston-Salem
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on April 04, 2014, 02:39:08 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on April 04, 2014, 12:37:48 PM
With, what seems to be most of the remaining Greensboro work going to bid, when do you think we will start to see significant lettings in Winston-Salem
Years ago, I read that work on the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway would begin in 2012, and two years later, I haven't heard anything further. Perhaps they're delaying it to 2015 or '17...in my estimate anyway.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 04, 2014, 11:35:00 PM
Quote from: Henry on April 04, 2014, 02:39:08 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on April 04, 2014, 12:37:48 PM
With, what seems to be most of the remaining Greensboro work going to bid, when do you think we will start to see significant lettings in Winston-Salem
Years ago, I read that work on the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway would begin in 2012, and two years later, I haven't heard anything further. Perhaps they're delaying it to 2015 or '17...in my estimate anyway.
According to the latest NCDOT 12-month tentative letting list, the first segment of the Beltway is to be let this October 21. This is the 3.4 mile segment from Business 40 to US 158. The letting is to be advertised 8 weeks ahead of time, so we should know by late August if the project is to be delayed again.
NCDOT's W-S Northern Beltway Project Page: http://www.ncdot.gov/projects/wsnb/ (http://www.ncdot.gov/projects/wsnb/)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on April 07, 2014, 05:04:32 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on April 04, 2014, 11:38:49 AM
NCDOT received the lowest bid yesterday of $176.55 million for a design/build contract to construct 9.4 miles of I-73 (along with a new airport taxiway bridge) in Guilford County from the PTI Airport to NC 68 and then NC 68 northeast to US 220 near the Haw River from the partnership of Flatiron Construction Inc. & Blythe Development Inc. According to the Item C sheet, work can start on May 14 with the contractors promising completion by April 2017. This project will tie I-73 to the widened US 220 now being constructed north to NC 68 in Rockingham County (given the rate that work's going though, this may not be finished by 2017).

With work on the next segment of the western part of the Greensboro Loop underway and the next eastern segment contract to be bid in September, Greensboro will be a very busy place as far as road construction goes for the next 4 or 5 years.



And, yes I can confirm that is correct. There are massive clearings on US 220 between Costwold and Drawbridge to the west. While driving on Horse Pen Creek Rd, there are clearings as well. Yes, the work has already begun on the Loop extension from I-73/Bryan Blvd to US 220.

I am very happy they are starting the I-73 section at the airport area.. I have been wondering when they will start on that section. Thanks for the update, bob7374.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MBHockey13 on April 08, 2014, 01:05:10 PM
Construction underway on Greensboro urban loop

http://myfox8.com/2014/03/27/constuction-underway-on-greensboro-urban-loop/ (http://myfox8.com/2014/03/27/constuction-underway-on-greensboro-urban-loop/)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on April 11, 2014, 08:09:41 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on April 04, 2014, 11:38:49 AM
NCDOT received the lowest bid yesterday of $176.55 million for a design/build contract to construct 9.4 miles of I-73 (along with a new airport taxiway bridge) in Guilford County from the PTI Airport to NC 68 and then NC 68 northeast to US 220 near the Haw River from the partnership of Flatiron Construction Inc. & Blythe Development Inc. According to the Item C sheet, work can start on May 14 with the contractors promising completion by April 2017. This project will tie I-73 to the widened US 220 now being constructed north to NC 68 in Rockingham County (given the rate that work's going though, this may not be finished by 2017).

With work on the next segment of the western part of the Greensboro Loop underway and the next eastern segment contract to be bid in September, Greensboro will be a very busy place as far as road construction goes for the next 4 or 5 years.




Update: I just stopped by the area where US 220 is being widened to NC 68 in Rockingham County. I can confirm that the project seems to be very behind (due to bipolar weather, I am sure). The roadbed is still there, but only on southbound direction that is visible and the ramp from future I-73 south roadbed to US 220 south roadbed is also visible. The northbound direction shows a little roadbed, but not as visible as the southbound one. But, the bridges (the one US 220 South ramp will across the I-73 roadbed, the Haw River bridges: 2 out of 3) are nearly completion. There are still heavy clearing north of US 158 interchange.

There is also a frontage road being built to the left of future I-73 lanes south of US 158 interchange, and the ones are being paved north of the interchange, near NC 65 intersection.

They are starting to work on the US 158 interchange, but nothing visible yet. However, the only obvious work was being done on NC 65 interchange where they are building bridge piers. But nothing else to report. As bob7374 mentioned, the project is behind in schedule.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 23, 2014, 10:25:13 AM
NCDOT Division 9 has now posted the advertisement for the contract that will place I-74 shields along US 311 east of Exit 65, mostly in Forsyth County. According to the contract specifications, new I-74 signs will be placed also along I-40 west of US 311 to the US 52/US 311 North exit in Winston-Salem. The letting date is May 14.

The advertisement is on the NCDOT Division Letting website:
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=9&let_date=2014-05-14%2000:00:00 (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=9&let_date=2014-05-14%2000:00:00)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on April 23, 2014, 11:41:47 AM
Slightly off topic, but is exit 111B (Liberty Street) officially closed, along US 52/NC 8 North? 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on April 23, 2014, 09:33:17 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on April 23, 2014, 10:25:13 AM
NCDOT Division 9 has now posted the advertisement for the contract that will place I-74 shields along US 311 east of Exit 65, mostly in Forsyth County. According to the contract specifications, new I-74 signs will be placed also along I-40 west of US 311 to the US 52/US 311 North exit in Winston-Salem. The letting date is May 14.

The advertisement is on the NCDOT Division Letting website:
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=9&let_date=2014-05-14%2000:00:00 (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=9&let_date=2014-05-14%2000:00:00)




Does that mean... I-74 will begin at the I-40/US 52 interchange? or are they going to put up temporary I-74 shields?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on April 23, 2014, 09:39:56 PM
Quote from: Strider on April 23, 2014, 09:33:17 PM
Does that mean... I-74 will begin at the I-40/US 52 interchange? or are they going to put up temporary I-74 shields?

Nope, they are signing there "To I-74" there, to help steer drivers towards I-74., no temp shields.  I-74 ends at I-40 interchange... for now.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on April 23, 2014, 10:14:25 PM
Oh i see.. gotcha. Makes sense to just put "To I-74" along I-40. Probably better idea to put them along US 52 as well.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 25, 2014, 09:40:03 PM
Quote from: Strider on April 23, 2014, 10:14:25 PM
Oh i see.. gotcha. Makes sense to just put "To I-74" along I-40. Probably better idea to put them along US 52 as well.
Agreed. They should use this opportunity to place 'To I-74' signs along the length of US 52 to Mt. Airy to get drivers used to the future interstate designation and, while there at it, why not move the US 52 upgrade project to the funded category.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on April 25, 2014, 09:51:34 PM
It'll be forever before King and Pilot Mtn see "official" I-74, but then again I am impressed to see signs drawn up for Winston city limits, so anything can happen I guess LOL.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on May 05, 2014, 10:40:14 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on April 23, 2014, 10:25:13 AM
NCDOT Division 9 has now posted the advertisement for the contract that will place I-74 shields along US 311 east of Exit 65, mostly in Forsyth County. According to the contract specifications, new I-74 signs will be placed also along I-40 west of US 311 to the US 52/US 311 North exit in Winston-Salem. The letting date is May 14.

The advertisement is on the NCDOT Division Letting website:
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=9&let_date=2014-05-14%2000:00:00 (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=9&let_date=2014-05-14%2000:00:00)


Hey Bob, random thought. I remember the sign plans a while back for the current Union Cross Road project from I-40 to I-74/US 311. At the southern end with its intersection with I-74/US 311 the plans only had US 311.

Maybe they thought I-74 wouldn't be signed in time to put it in the letting plans, or they could change it?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 05, 2014, 06:57:04 PM
I think that one of the original plans for the W-S beltway was to intersect US 311 just east of Union Cross Rd before ultimately decided to have the beltway intersect US 311 between Ridgewood and Union Cross Rds. I might be wrong, but other than that.. I have no idea. Maybe Bob knows.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 05, 2014, 10:52:24 PM
Quote from: jcarte29 on May 05, 2014, 10:40:14 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on April 23, 2014, 10:25:13 AM
NCDOT Division 9 has now posted the advertisement for the contract that will place I-74 shields along US 311 east of Exit 65, mostly in Forsyth County. According to the contract specifications, new I-74 signs will be placed also along I-40 west of US 311 to the US 52/US 311 North exit in Winston-Salem. The letting date is May 14.

The advertisement is on the NCDOT Division Letting website:
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=9&let_date=2014-05-14%2000:00:00 (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=9&let_date=2014-05-14%2000:00:00)

Hey Bob, random thought. I remember the sign plans a while back for the current Union Cross Road project from I-40 to I-74/US 311. At the southern end with its intersection with I-74/US 311 the plans only had US 311.

Maybe they thought I-74 wouldn't be signed in time to put it in the letting plans, or they could change it?
The Union Cross Rd project plans were created in 2011 before the approval to have I-74 signed along US 311 (only the title page map includes a Future I-74 sign along US 311). The plans called for not typical trailblazers but green signs with the US 311 shield and destinations. Its possible in the year since I-74 was approved the sign designs have been modified to include I-74 as well. Meanwhile, the contract to place I-74 signs along US 311 is to be let next Wednesday (5/14). Also, the bid for the contract to build I-73 from PTI Airport to US 220 has been accepted by NCDOT. Work can begin this Wednesday (5/7) with a completion date set for April 2017.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on June 06, 2014, 04:45:48 PM
Contract for I-74 signage in Guilford/Forsyth counties awarded and scheduled to be done by Mid-November. Contract # DI00053 via NC DOT
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 07, 2014, 11:42:35 AM
Quote from: jcarte29 on June 06, 2014, 04:45:48 PM
Contract for I-74 signage in Guilford/Forsyth counties awarded and scheduled to be done by Mid-November. Contract # DI00053 via NC DOT
Good news. But, given that the contract is for only $79,000, and is creating and installing less than 20 signs, and the contractor could start on June 2, you would hope it wouldn't take until November to finish, unless they are only paying a couple people to do it.  :-/
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on June 07, 2014, 11:46:32 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on June 07, 2014, 11:42:35 AM
Quote from: jcarte29 on June 06, 2014, 04:45:48 PM
Contract for I-74 signage in Guilford/Forsyth counties awarded and scheduled to be done by Mid-November. Contract # DI00053 via NC DOT
Good news. But, given that the contract is for only $79,000, and is creating and installing less than 20 signs, and the contractor could start on June 2, you would hope it wouldn't take until November to finish, unless they are only paying a couple people to do it.  :-/

I am hopeful it won't take until November as well, for the reasons you stated in (lack of) size and (lack of) expense. I am going to be in W-S next week, hopeful that I can picture somethin for ya.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on June 09, 2014, 03:19:07 PM
http://www.journalnow.com/news/local/beltway-business-projects-rank-high-on-regional-scale-but-some/article_980fae8d-e37a-5462-9dd9-87ee4dc9f526.html


Possible $$$ to come from the regional pot for almost 3/4ths of the I-74/WS Northern Belt...and maybe an x74 or x73 to/from PTI???
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 18, 2014, 08:58:48 PM
Speaking of I-73 in the PTI Airport area, NCDOT announced today that work will get underway officially on the NC 68-US 220 Connector (Future I-73) project later this month:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=9991 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=9991)
Several design changes, according to the press release, will help complete the highway sooner than first thought, tentatively set for April 2017.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on July 14, 2014, 10:37:19 AM
Anyone in the Winston-Salem/Triad area spotted any progress on the I-74 signing project from Main St HP to I-40?? (TIP # I-5511). Just curious...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 14, 2014, 06:55:43 PM
I haven't been to that area in a long awhile. I know the signage project should have started by now. Maybe someone who lives in that W-S/H-P area can let us know?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 14, 2014, 10:57:22 PM
Quote from: jcarte29 on July 14, 2014, 10:37:19 AM
Anyone in the Winston-Salem/Triad area spotted any progress on the I-74 signing project from Main St HP to I-40?? (TIP # I-5511). Just curious...
Neither the NCDOT Construction Progress Report nor the TIMS traffic advisory map for the Triad Region indicate that construction has started on the I-74 contract. Looks like the contractor is taking their time on this one.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on August 18, 2014, 07:29:13 PM
I can now confirm that the I-74 signage in Forsyth County is nearly complete. There are changes on the overhead signage that now reads "I-74 EAST, US 311 SOUTH, HIGH POINT on both directions of I-40. I also managed to drive on I-74/US 311 and there are no more "FUTURE I-74/US 311" shields along the road. Somebody needs to go out there and take some photos.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 18, 2014, 11:03:12 PM
Quote from: Strider on August 18, 2014, 07:29:13 PM
I can now confirm that the I-74 signage in Forsyth County is nearly complete. There are changes on the overhead signage that now reads "I-74 EAST, US 311 SOUTH, HIGH POINT on both directions of I-40. I also managed to drive on I-74/US 311 and there are no more "FUTURE I-74/US 311" shields along the road. Somebody needs to go out there and take some photos.

Thanks for posting about the signage change.  I've now updated OSM (https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24848200) with this info. :)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: I94RoadRunner on August 19, 2014, 08:16:58 PM
Quote from: leifvanderwall on May 07, 2009, 03:10:35 PM
Well, I have a more positive feeling with the I-73/I-74 multiplex; in fact I traveled on it from Greensboro, NC to Ellerbe in 2007. I see what the feds are trying to do, but is US 52 in West Virginia from Huntington to Bluefield so congested that I-73/I-74 have to go through there? I also wonder why Ohio gave up on it. I think US 23 from the Ohio River to Findley, OH should be an interstate corridor. I really think I-73 should be on the US 29 corridor from Greensboro to Washington as a good alternate to I-95. Has the NCDOT decided on what to do with US 74?

US 29 from Greensboro to Danville, VA is going to become I-785 some year. The remainder of US 29 north to Baltimore was proposed as an I-83 extension awhile ago. I-83 was thought of to follow the beltline instead of going through the city and then pick up the US 29 corridor just outside down to Greensboro. There are no active plans for this I-83 extension right now that I am aware of.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on August 20, 2014, 11:05:23 PM
Quote from: Strider on August 18, 2014, 07:29:13 PM
I can now confirm that the I-74 signage in Forsyth County is nearly complete. There are changes on the overhead signage that now reads "I-74 EAST, US 311 SOUTH, HIGH POINT on both directions of I-40. I also managed to drive on I-74/US 311 and there are no more "FUTURE I-74/US 311" shields along the road. Somebody needs to go out there and take some photos.

Given the eyewitness reports, and a couple photos, I have updated my I-74 pages to declare the signing project in Forsyth County complete, before NCDOT confirmation. I have added the photos of the new signage to my I-74 Segment 5 Page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg5.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg5.html) and hope to post more soon.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on August 23, 2014, 02:31:10 PM
Future I-74 signing plans have been released by NCDOT as part of the materials released for the letting of the first phase of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway project. The link is available at this page under Other Plans, Part III, the sign plans start a few pages in:
http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/dsplan/2014%20Highway%20Letting/10-21-14/Plans%20and%20Proposals/Forsyth%20U-2579B%20C203484%20%20E-Project/ (http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/dsplan/2014%20Highway%20Letting/10-21-14/Plans%20and%20Proposals/Forsyth%20U-2579B%20C203484%20%20E-Project/)

From looking through the plans I have gleaned the following info:
1. The Beltway segment will be signed from Business 40/US 421 as Exit 12 NC 74 to US 158 initially.
2. The new exit numbers on the Beltway will be 53A/B for Business 40 and 50 for US 158 (one of the plans also has signs for the next segment to US 311, that will be Exit 49). As an aside, do you think NCDOT would be tempted to re-route (if they don't decommission) US 311 along the Beltway between the existing route and Exit 49 when the Loop is completed?
3. The plans show the initial and future signage for both Business 40 and US 158, the future signs having I-74 shields. Since the initial westbound only signs along Business 40 have NC 74 shields, this implies the route will be signed as I-74 when the segment east to I-40 is completed.
4. The eventual control cities for the completed Beltway will be, not surprisingly, High Point eastbound and Mt Airy westbound.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on August 23, 2014, 09:37:13 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on August 23, 2014, 02:31:10 PM
2. The new exit numbers on the Beltway will be 53A/B for Business 40 and 50 for US 158 (one of the plans also has signs for the next segment to US 311, that will be Exit 49). As an aside, do you think NCDOT would be tempted to re-route (if they don't decommission) US 311 along the Beltway between the existing route and Exit 49 when the Loop is completed?

Answer is no.  On the STI Project list, there is project #H090541, which is called the US 311 connector.  The plans call for a four-lane divided partial-control highway continuing north from I-40 exit 196 to I-40 Bus/US 421/US 158 exit 8.  Here's the link:  https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIResults/H090541.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIResults/H090541.pdf)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on August 23, 2014, 10:21:21 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on August 23, 2014, 09:37:13 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on August 23, 2014, 02:31:10 PM
2. The new exit numbers on the Beltway will be 53A/B for Business 40 and 50 for US 158 (one of the plans also has signs for the next segment to US 311, that will be Exit 49). As an aside, do you think NCDOT would be tempted to re-route (if they don't decommission) US 311 along the Beltway between the existing route and Exit 49 when the Loop is completed?

Answer is no.  On the STI Project list, there is project #H090541, which is called the US 311 connector.  The plans call for a four-lane divided partial-control highway continuing north from I-40 exit 196 to I-40 Bus/US 421/US 158 exit 8.  Here's the link:  https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIResults/H090541.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIResults/H090541.pdf)
You may be right. But, given that the 311 project, as ranked by the new NCDOT formula, gets a 0.00 divisional needs ranking, and is not meriting a regional or a statewide mobility ranking at all, it seems unlikely it will be built any time soon, especially with the much of the money for the are in the meantime going to the Beltway.   
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on August 23, 2014, 10:27:55 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on August 23, 2014, 10:21:21 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on August 23, 2014, 09:37:13 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on August 23, 2014, 02:31:10 PM
2. The new exit numbers on the Beltway will be 53A/B for Business 40 and 50 for US 158 (one of the plans also has signs for the next segment to US 311, that will be Exit 49). As an aside, do you think NCDOT would be tempted to re-route (if they don't decommission) US 311 along the Beltway between the existing route and Exit 49 when the Loop is completed?
Answer is no.  On the STI Project list, there is project #H090541, which is called the US 311 connector.  The plans call for a four-lane divided partial-control highway continuing north from I-40 exit 196 to I-40 Bus/US 421/US 158 exit 8.  Here's the link:  https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIResults/H090541.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIResults/H090541.pdf)
You may be right. But, given that the 311 project, as ranked by the new NCDOT formula, gets a 0.00 divisional needs ranking, and is not meriting a regional or a statewide mobility ranking at all, it seems unlikely it will be built any time soon, especially with the much of the money for the are in the meantime going to the Beltway.

Yea, but its going to be several years for the section of I-74 to be done; and even if it is done before the connector project is built, I don't see them moving it over onto I-74 then later moving it to the connector when its finally built.  I also think AASHTO wouldn't approve the new routing if they were to go ahead and move it onto I-74, because it would be a better route than the connector; while the connector is a better routing than the current crap routing it has now through Winston-Salem.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on August 24, 2014, 02:35:25 AM
I looked at the signage plans.. it is odd that they doesn't include NC 150 in the signage plans (NC 150 is now concurrent with Business 40 and US 421 from Exit 14 to Exit 5). Seems like they might be planning to move NC 150 back to the old road? (NC 150 used to run along Main St *Exit 14 off Bus 40* into Winston Salem before being rerouted along Bus 40/US 421 back in like 1990s or something like that)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on August 24, 2014, 11:15:36 PM
Quote from: Strider on August 24, 2014, 02:35:25 AM
I looked at the signage plans.. it is odd that they doesn't include NC 150 in the signage plans (NC 150 is now concurrent with Business 40 and US 421 from Exit 14 to Exit 5). Seems like they might be planning to move NC 150 back to the old road? (NC 150 used to run along Main St *Exit 14 off Bus 40* into Winston Salem before being rerouted along Bus 40/US 421 back in like 1990s or something like that)
NCDOT may be just restricting the BGSs to two major routes only, like the current policy by MassDOT. The plans for the signage to be placed along Business 40 do include NC 150 shields as shown in one of the plans:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gribblenation.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi74seg4wsbpl16.jpg&hash=ac72fb3b03c44bc17af79557eb77aaed60d46e0c)

I have posted this and several other sign plans on my I-74 Segment 4 page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on August 24, 2014, 11:44:22 PM
Bob, on your segment 4 page, towards the middle, you still say that I-285 will be signed this year once the improvements to US 52 are completed. Is that still accurate, or unchanged from your last update on that page? Just curious...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on August 25, 2014, 12:48:08 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on August 24, 2014, 11:15:36 PM
Quote from: Strider on August 24, 2014, 02:35:25 AM
I looked at the signage plans.. it is odd that they doesn't include NC 150 in the signage plans (NC 150 is now concurrent with Business 40 and US 421 from Exit 14 to Exit 5). Seems like they might be planning to move NC 150 back to the old road? (NC 150 used to run along Main St *Exit 14 off Bus 40* into Winston Salem before being rerouted along Bus 40/US 421 back in like 1990s or something like that)
NCDOT may be just restricting the BGSs to two major routes only, like the current policy by MassDOT. The plans for the signage to be placed along Business 40 do include NC 150 shields as shown in one of the plans:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gribblenation.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi74seg4wsbpl16.jpg&hash=ac72fb3b03c44bc17af79557eb77aaed60d46e0c)

I have posted this and several other sign plans on my I-74 Segment 4 page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html)

Maybe you're right, who knows.

Fixed quote. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4000.0) - rmf67
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on August 26, 2014, 08:29:10 PM
On the I-74 related news, On I-40 on the way to Winston-Salem, there is a "TO I-74, EXIT 193B" signage already in place (near US 52 interchange, of course).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on August 26, 2014, 08:52:07 PM
So NCDOT reports the project is only 60 something pct completed. So if all the signs are up, what's left? Lol
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on August 27, 2014, 11:32:40 AM
Quote from: jcarte29 on August 26, 2014, 08:52:07 PM
So NCDOT reports the project is only 60 something pct completed. So if all the signs are up, what's left? Lol
Good question. I don't suppose the contractor would give back any extra project funds they may get. There is one overhead in Guilford County on West I-74 before Exit 65, perhaps that's not up yet. Also some of the money may be going toward installation of trailblazer signage at the on-ramps, even if it was not specified in the signage plans.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on August 27, 2014, 11:36:13 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on August 27, 2014, 11:32:40 AM
Quote from: jcarte29 on August 26, 2014, 08:52:07 PM
So NCDOT reports the project is only 60 something pct completed. So if all the signs are up, what's left? Lol
Good question. I don't suppose the contractor would give back any extra project funds they may get. There is one overhead in Guilford County on West I-74 before Exit 65, perhaps that's not up yet. Also some of the money may be going toward installation of trailblazer signage at the on-ramps, even if it was not specified in the signage plans.


It won't add much to my trip, I'll swing through on my way to Atlanta (via Winston-Salem night stayover) to see if that sign is up.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on August 27, 2014, 06:46:52 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on August 27, 2014, 11:32:40 AM
Quote from: jcarte29 on August 26, 2014, 08:52:07 PM
So NCDOT reports the project is only 60 something pct completed. So if all the signs are up, what's left? Lol
Good question. I don't suppose the contractor would give back any extra project funds they may get. There is one overhead in Guilford County on West I-74 before Exit 65, perhaps that's not up yet. Also some of the money may be going toward installation of trailblazer signage at the on-ramps, even if it was not specified in the signage plans.



I think that might be it because the other time I drove on I-74 and took an exit off Union Cross Rd, there is no I-74 trailblazer signage on/off the ramp. That's probably why it is 60% complete, but other than that.. I don't know.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MBHockey13 on August 29, 2014, 09:08:26 AM
So, NC was pre-mature:

http://www.news-record.com/news/i--designation-a-mix-up-in-forsyth-county-but/article_6524f0c0-2f78-11e4-a9eb-001a4bcf6878.html

"I-74 designation a 'mix-up' in Forsyth County, but will stay

Wesley Young Winston-Salem Journal | Posted: Friday, August 29, 2014 8:31 am

New signs have been erected indicating that U.S. 311 between Winston-Salem and High Point is part of Interstate 74, but it appears that federal officials made a mistake when they made the designation.

The designation will remain, and state officials have agreed to upgrade the road in the future.

The new signs show I-74 and U.S. 311 peeling off from Interstate 40 on the southeast side of Winston-Salem. The new section of I-74 doesn't meet interstate standards until it gets to Guilford County, in part because it lacks the wide shoulders that interstate highways have for emergency stopping.

A letter in the online files of the N.C. Department of Transportation shows that federal highway officials believed the Forsyth County portion of the highway did meet interstate standards when they granting the road's addition to the interstate system:

"Our North Carolina Division Office confirms U.S. 311 from I-40 to S.R. 1993 [Main Street in High Point] ... has been completed to Interstate standards and meets a statutory requirement by connecting to existing I-40,"  wrote Victor Mendez, the U.S. deputy secretary of transportation and administrator of the Federal Highway Administration in a letter to the N.C. Department of Transportation dated Oct. 4, 2012.

Mendez was referring to the N.C. Division Office of the Federal Highway Administration in North Carolina, not any of the N.C. Department of Transportation offices.
State officials said the designation has been allowed to stand even though the road lacks shoulders of the proper width.
A spokesman for the Federal Highway Administration had no specifics on how the mix-up occurred, but confirmed what state officials are saying: North Carolina will eventually bring the section of roadway up to interstate standards. The I-74 designation will remain.

"It is clearly an oversight and the state is committed to making things right, and that's as far as it goes,"  said Doug Hecox, a spokesman for the Federal Highway Administration.
No timetable has been set for adding the shoulders that section of I-74 needs, said Kevin Lacy, the state's traffic engineer.

"We have agreed to bring those shoulders up to standards when we rebuild the roadway,"  Lacy said. "You have to have a minimum of 10 feet on the right and four feet on the left shoulder. We do not have a project identified to put shoulders on that road. Whenever we rebuild that road we will have to add shoulders."
The designation is significant because it makes the road eligible for federal maintenance money, and increases the state's interstate mileage by about 10 more miles than it would otherwise have been. That mileage in turn increases the money the state receives for interstate maintenance under the fund-apportionment formula.
The state had intended all along to eventually make U.S. 311 part of I-74.

The designation came after an exchange of letters between state and federal highway officials that started in 2011. On Jan. 6, 2011, State Highway Administrator Terry Gibson wrote to John Sullivan III, the division administrator for the Federal Highway Administration in North Carolina, requesting interstate designation for a different segment of highway.

That letter requested that the new High Point East Belt – U.S. 311 east of the Main Street exit in High Point – become part of I-74, and that the segment of U.S. 311 from Main Street to I-40 "be added to the Interstate system as a Future Interstate, a distance of 10.17 miles."
The letter noted that the new beltway around High Point and to points east "was recently completed to Interstate standards and open to traffic. The proposed I-74 route is a controlled access, divided, multi-lane freeway on a new location."

Lacy sent a follow-up letter on March 15, 2012, in which he repeated the request for adding road segments to "I-74 and future I-74."

Lacy goes on to mention that the "requested sections of I-74 were built to Interstate Standards at the time of construction."

When asked if the references to "sections"  – in the plural – may have led to some of the confusion, Lacy said that's possible. A little later in the letter Lacy does refer to "the above referenced section"  – in the singular – to refer the part of the road east of the Forsyth County segment that meets most interstate standards.
"I can't tell you the source of the confusion other than to speculate,"  Lacy said, commenting on his letter. "If that was part of it, it was by no means intentional."

I-74 in North Carolina currently exists in a number of segments that are connected by noninterstate roadways. In the north, I-74 peels off from I-77 south of the Virginia line and carries traffic to U.S. 52 near Mount Airy. When the Northern Beltway is build around the east side of Winston-Salem it will be part of I-74 linking to the newly designated portion that runs along with U.S. 311 to High Point.

Past High Point, newer sections of I-74 connect to Asheboro, where I-74 joins I-73 heading south toward Rockingham. From there to its eventual ending point near Myrtle Beach, S.C., I-74 exists only as a stretch of freeway from Rockingham to Lumberton.

Lacy said Monday that it is "extremely rare"  for the Federal Highway Administration to admit a section of highway into the interstate system without adequate shoulders.
"We did not ask for it at that time, but we were extremely appreciative,"  Lacy said. "Prior to us doing anything and announcing it, we followed up with the Federal Highway Administration and said we wanted to be clear. We verified that ... yes, there was a mixup somewhere. They asked us to send a letter saying that we would bring the shoulders up to standard."

Lacy said that if there was an error, "it was in citizens of North Carolina's favor"  because of the benefits flowing from the designation. He said that it is possible the federal authorities could have rescinded the designation.

"Some people may classify this as a mistake,"  Lacy said. "They gave us a rare exception, and it is a gift." :
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on August 29, 2014, 09:27:31 AM
This article is a complete joke. It was always known (if the paper did the proper research) that the Forsyth Co. portion would be an allowed exception and thus the signing project planned. This article is about 2 years late.

It's not like NCDOT "got one by" the Feds, the Feds told them they could do it as long as they repaired the shoulders in a future project.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on August 29, 2014, 10:10:37 AM
This is from Robert Malme's I-74/73 website (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/index.html) Segment 5 (S.E. Forsyth county portion of now official I-74) that proves my point...

"In their response in October the FHWA indicated that, while the engineer's findings showed that not all of US 311 in Forsyth County was up to interstate standards (shoulders were too narrow), NCDOT would be allowed to sign the route from I-40 east (including the East Belt freeway (see I-74 Segment 6) to the freeway's current end at Cedar Square Road, a total of 22.1 miles) as I-74.(5) NCDOT agreed in turn to finance a project to bring US 311 in Forsyth up to standards at a later date."
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 25, 2014, 10:30:23 PM
NCDOT released their latest Mobility Fund scores for regional and division projects that will be used to help determine what contracts are let over the next 10 years. A link to the press release, which has links to the scores is here:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10335 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10335)

The scores are not very good news for proposed I-73/I-74 projects. None of the projects have a score higher than 43.5 out of 100 for state mobility (and that is for the Winston-Salem Beltway, which future segments north of US 158 were unfunded by the previous formula score), nor over 35.2 out 70 for regional impact (also the Beltway), nor 21.6 out of 50 for Division needs (Beltway). The next scheduled project, the completion of the I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass is scored 8.8 statewide, 8.4 region, and 4.3 division.

Some good news is that several long-proposed projects are now being considered, including the upgrade of US 220 to interstate standards north to the VA line (highest rank, region 19 out of 70), upgrading US 74 between NC 41 and Whiteville (highest rank, region 13.2), building an 'Alt. I-74' from I-140 to US 17 near Supply (highest rank, state 15.3) (this ranks slightly higher than the official I-74 route from Whiteville to US 17), building the Carolina Bays Parkway Extension from US 17 to the SC line (highest rank, state, 31.8), plus there's an entry for building the Winston-Salem Beltway segments as toll facilities, this has a slightly higher score than the existing Beltway projects, state mobility of 44.1 vs. 43.5. It does appear, for now, if the formulas are not played with, that it will be a long time before a great many of these projects are completed.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on September 26, 2014, 12:01:02 AM
That's why the State's mobility fund scores is a joke. The Western Rockingham bypass is already funded, and it is partially under construction right now. I think this may have to do with SCDOT not building their part of I-73 just yet (lack of funds, i hear).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: I94RoadRunner on September 26, 2014, 03:32:29 AM
The Rockingham I-73/74 bypass is under construction .....? I thought I heard that nothing until at least 2018 for this project .....?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on September 26, 2014, 09:39:44 AM
Quote from: I94RoadRunner on September 26, 2014, 03:32:29 AM
The Rockingham I-73/74 bypass is under construction .....? I thought I heard that nothing until at least 2018 for this project .....?



Not the actual bypass itself (that's in 2018). I am talking about the part near the end of southern temporary end of I-73/74 at US 220 (exit 25) is partially under construction.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on September 29, 2014, 09:29:32 AM
This is why the Governor wants to get a billion dollars as a kickstarter for the rural highway projects that are simply not going to score well on the newer system.  If approved, some on the list of projects includes making all of US 74 (east of Asheville) to Interstate standards, completing the Rockingham Bypass and Winston-Salem Northern Loop.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: english si on September 29, 2014, 02:02:41 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on September 29, 2014, 09:29:32 AMall of US 74 (west of Asheville) to Interstate standards
West of Asheville?

I'm guessing they are going to solve the I-74/US74 problem by extending I-24 across the state.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on September 29, 2014, 02:19:03 PM
Quote from: english si on September 29, 2014, 02:02:41 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on September 29, 2014, 09:29:32 AMall of US 74 (west of Asheville) to Interstate standards
West of Asheville?

I'm guessing they are going to solve the I-74/US74 problem by extending I-24 across the state.

Opps, corrected, meant east; so no I-24 extension.   :spin:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Revive 755 on September 29, 2014, 08:16:58 PM
Quote from: english si on September 29, 2014, 02:02:41 PM
I'm guessing they are going to solve the I-74/US74 problem by extending I-24 across the state.

Wouldn't have surprised me at all, given all the other ideas North Carolina's had.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Nature Boy on September 30, 2014, 12:13:25 AM
To be fair, extending I-24 across the state to Wilmington would be smarter than what they're currently doing. That's not saying much though.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on September 30, 2014, 01:29:09 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on September 30, 2014, 12:13:25 AM
To be fair, extending I-24 across the state to Wilmington would be smarter than what they're currently doing. That's not saying much though.




I would extend I-24 east to end at I-26 instead of extending to Wilmington. I don't get the I-73/74 hate and quite frankly, I don't care. new interstates are going to get built and are given numbers whether we like it or not. While I don't like the I-74 routing in NC, it is already chosen. At least North Carolina took a lead and do their sections of I-73/74. If it doesn't even go outside North Carolina for a long awhile, it will still eventually be connected to major interstates (I-77, I-85, I-40, I-95).

I also think that I-73 has more chance to be extended outside North Carolina than I-74 does, however.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 07, 2014, 10:50:51 AM
NCDOT has awarded the contract to build the first segment of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway, Eastern Section (I-74). Construction could start as early as next month:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10485 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10485)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: DeaconG on November 07, 2014, 11:42:58 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 07, 2014, 10:50:51 AM
NCDOT has awarded the contract to build the first segment of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway, Eastern Section (I-74). Construction could start as early as next month:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10485 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10485)

Excellent! How long was this project stalled? 20-25 years?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on November 07, 2014, 11:47:03 AM
Quote from: DeaconG on November 07, 2014, 11:42:58 AM

Excellent! How long was this project stalled? 20-25 years?
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Just about. I think the W-S Journal article said it should've originally been built *by* early 2000s. As a W-S native, it has been talked about since I was in diapers. (Early 80s)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 14, 2014, 10:25:47 PM
The governor and other state and local officials took part in the ceremonial groundbreaking for the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway project earlier today. Read all about it in the official press release:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10498 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10498)

Work on this first segment could start as early as December. Completion is set for late 2018.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MikeSantNY78 on November 14, 2014, 10:34:40 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 14, 2014, 10:25:47 PM
The governor and other state and local officials took part in the ceremonial groundbreaking for the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway project earlier today. Read all about it in the official press release:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10498 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10498)

Work on this first segment could start as early as December. Completion is set for late 2018.
So (based on the wording of the presser), looks like they're starting on the SW side of the loop (per the map at NCDOT).  Any idea when they'll get to the part that Actually Involves I-74?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on November 14, 2014, 11:25:16 PM
Quote from: MikeSantNY78 on November 14, 2014, 10:34:40 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 14, 2014, 10:25:47 PM
The governor and other state and local officials took part in the ceremonial groundbreaking for the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway project earlier today. Read all about it in the official press release:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10498 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10498)

Work on this first segment could start as early as December. Completion is set for late 2018.
So (based on the wording of the presser), looks like they're starting on the SW side of the loop (per the map at NCDOT).  Any idea when they'll get to the part that Actually Involves I-74?

You read it wrong.  The first section is east of Winston-Salem, between Walkertown (US 158) and Kernersville (I-40 Bus/US 421/NC 150).  This section will be part of I-74, eventually.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 13, 2014, 01:23:08 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on November 14, 2014, 11:25:16 PM
Quote from: MikeSantNY78 on November 14, 2014, 10:34:40 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 14, 2014, 10:25:47 PM
The governor and other state and local officials took part in the ceremonial groundbreaking for the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway project earlier today. Read all about it in the official press release:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10498 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10498)

Work on this first segment could start as early as December. Completion is set for late 2018.
So (based on the wording of the presser), looks like they're starting on the SW side of the loop (per the map at NCDOT).  Any idea when they'll get to the part that Actually Involves I-74?

You read it wrong.  The first section is east of Winston-Salem, between Walkertown (US 158) and Kernersville (I-40 Bus/US 421/NC 150).  This section will be part of I-74, eventually.
Work started on the segment this past Tuesday, December 10. The new Draft 2016-2025 STIP (State Transportation Improvement Program) document will fund 3 more additional segments of the W-S Beltway. The next segment to the north/west, 1.4 miles from US 158 to US 311/Walkertown Road, as a design build contract in 2018, and two segments that will connect the two then completed segments 5.8 miles back east/south across I-40 to I-74/US 311. These are to start in 2022.

Information taken from this article:
http://www.journalnow.com/eedition/mapping/roads-get-green-light/article_0931d47e-bcec-58fe-a0f5-68d5591d0e83.html (http://www.journalnow.com/eedition/mapping/roads-get-green-light/article_0931d47e-bcec-58fe-a0f5-68d5591d0e83.html)
and placed on my I-74 Segment 4 Page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 28, 2014, 01:14:37 PM
A news from the Greensboro resident: I drove by US 220 north near Summerfield to visit a friend and checked the progress on the US 220 widening. Here is the report:

The US 220 widening is still behind in schedule. Some locations have road that is already paved, while some gradings are left. (no traffic shift yet) However, when I went to the section where US 220 will meet Future US 220/NC 68 connector, traffic is already shifted to cross the bridges and is now on the future I-73 southbound lanes, including the ramp US 220 south is going to take to cross I-73. The original road that US 220 used to go through on the right is already demolished to make a room for future I-73 northbound lanes (they're building the bridge there as well). A frontage road is already built to access the gas station on the right that is being separated due to work on I-73 northbound lanes. The US 158 interchange is halfway completed (only southbound, since they re working on building the second span for northbound lanes). After US 158 interchange, traffic shifted to the future I-73 northbound lanes and the NC 65 interchange is halfway completed (only northbound, since they are building the connecting bridge for southbound lanes) Immediately after NC 65 interchange, traffic shifted back to original roadway northwards. No work is on the complicated NC 68/US 220 intersection, however.

I didn't take a picture of the section because I was in a hurry. Hopefully I can do that when I travel down the road again in the future.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 03, 2015, 10:14:48 PM
I have written my annual I-73/I-74 in NC Year in Review as this blog post:
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2014/12/i-73i-74-in-nc-year-in-review-2014.html (http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2014/12/i-73i-74-in-nc-year-in-review-2014.html)

Hopefully, I will able to get down to NC to check all of it out in person sometime this year.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 08, 2015, 10:30:57 PM
Thanks to the efforts of Strider, I have posted photos on my I-73/I-74 site of the construction currently going on along US 220 north of Greensboro to turn that highway into I-73. Here's one of them at the future NC 65 interchange:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gribblenation.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg2115dw13.jpg&hash=1e0859e226dbd2220b96e255fd83eb0a4903a899)

Feel free to visit my I-73 Segment 2 page to see the rest:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on January 09, 2015, 12:09:32 PM
At least it's a good thing that the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway is finally starting to take shape, and also that I-74 further south/east could be completed in conjunction with an Interstate-grade facility along US 74 to Charlotte and points west. (I-34, anyone?)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on January 09, 2015, 04:43:16 PM
Quote from: Henry on January 09, 2015, 12:09:32 PM
At least it's a good thing that the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway is finally starting to take shape, and also that I-74 further south/east could be completed in conjunction with an Interstate-grade facility along US 74 to Charlotte and points west. (I-34, anyone?)

I say I-36, since that number isn't in use.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 10, 2015, 01:25:34 PM
GSV has been updated its images along I-40 East through Winston-Salem to September 2014, allowing you to view the new I-74 signs put up last summer. Here's the one mile advance: https://goo.gl/maps/mphO7 (https://goo.gl/maps/mphO7)

Unfortunately, you can only see the new I-74 signs on I-40 WB through looking in reverse, since those views date from May 2014, and the last time Google traveled US 311 to High Point was in 2012.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mileage Mike on April 16, 2015, 10:53:05 AM
Has there been any decision made on the final routing of I-74 in NC?  If it doesn't go to Wilmington and indeed does curve back in the opposite direction towards SC, then it along with I-73 could have the most awkward and useless routing of all NC interstates.  Plus sending it to Wilmington would go a long way towards NC's long term goal of finally having that continuous interstate connection between Asheville, Charlotte, and Wilmington.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on April 16, 2015, 12:36:34 PM
Quote from: Cemajr on April 16, 2015, 10:53:05 AM
Has there been any decision made on the final routing of I-74 in NC?  If it doesn't go to Wilmington and indeed does curve back in the opposite direction towards SC, then it along with I-73 could have the most awkward and useless routing of all NC interstates.  Plus sending it to Wilmington would go a long way towards NC's long term goal of finally having that continuous interstate connection between Asheville, Charlotte, and Wilmington.
Most likely, there'll never be an agreement on the last leg of I-74. And the I-20 extension is not happening either, so Wilmington is most likely the odd man out. But it would be nice to have another 2di serve that area, in addition to I-40, even if that 2di is not I-74. Which is yet another reason to build that Asheville-Charlotte-Wilmington Interstate...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on April 17, 2015, 06:43:40 PM
I agree -- the I-74 connection to SC will never be built. The most NC will be interested in is some kind of connection between SC 31 and US 17 north in NC. The Asheville-Charlotte-Wilmington corridor is high-priority and having an interstate all the way across makes a lot of sense. As for that orphan section of I-74 from I-73 to I-77 through Winston-Salem, it's more N-S than E-W. How about making it I-79?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on April 17, 2015, 07:44:40 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on April 17, 2015, 06:43:40 PM
As for that orphan section of I-74 from I-73 to I-77 through Winston-Salem, it's more N-S than E-W. How about making it I-79?

I don't see a reason to change I-74 to I-79 despite the idea the state would abandon the route, which they haven't by the way.  Also, I-79 already exists and would be worse than the I-74 concurrency.

Hopefully the transportation bond proposed gets approved, then I-74 will be sped-up in completion in the state.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Nature Boy on April 18, 2015, 12:47:33 AM
Quote from: Henry on April 16, 2015, 12:36:34 PM
Quote from: Cemajr on April 16, 2015, 10:53:05 AM
Has there been any decision made on the final routing of I-74 in NC?  If it doesn't go to Wilmington and indeed does curve back in the opposite direction towards SC, then it along with I-73 could have the most awkward and useless routing of all NC interstates.  Plus sending it to Wilmington would go a long way towards NC's long term goal of finally having that continuous interstate connection between Asheville, Charlotte, and Wilmington.
Most likely, there'll never be an agreement on the last leg of I-74. And the I-20 extension is not happening either, so Wilmington is most likely the odd man out. But it would be nice to have another 2di serve that area, in addition to I-40, even if that 2di is not I-74. Which is yet another reason to build that Asheville-Charlotte-Wilmington Interstate...

There's no bigger fan of the Asheville - Charlotte - Wilmington interstate than me, but it seems that the legislature couldn't care less about it. THAT should be priority #1, not this I-73/74 crap.

Of course, this proposed interstate would have to multiplex with I-74 after Rockingham until its divergence anyway.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: english si on April 18, 2015, 05:45:32 AM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on April 17, 2015, 07:44:40 PM
I don't see a reason to change I-74 to I-79 despite the idea the state would abandon the route, which they haven't by the way.  Also, I-79 already exists and would be worse than the I-74 concurrency.
You mean the I-74/US74 concurrency?

I-79 does already exist. While it would be the first duplicated N-S interstate pair (and pretty close together) it isn't that bad.

And it's fixed really really easily - put I-79 shields up on I-77 between Beckley and Mt Airy.

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I-74 in NC is useful west of where it will diverge from US74-76. A link between I-73 and I-77 via the Triad is very useful, probably trumping I-26 to Charlotte upgrades (as that's already freeway), though not I-85 and I-95 to Raleigh schemes. Charlotte to Rockingham is something NC needs, but strategically it makes no sense until you can get to Wilmington, or near enough, on freeway.

I-74 between I-77 and I-95 forms an important N-S link. US74 between Charlotte and I-95 doesn't finish the E-W one and needs the (independently useful) I-95 to Wilmington link to make sense on a macro level.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 23, 2015, 11:12:26 PM
Thanks to contributions from Strider, I have posted new photos of I-73 related construction west and north of Greensboro on my I-73 Segment 3 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#seg3 (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#seg3)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 21, 2015, 11:40:44 AM
NCDOT has posted the contract documents for the final parts of two I-73 construction projects to be let on June 16. The first will complete work on the I-840/Bryan Blvd interchange at the southern end of the current I-73 PTI Airport to US 220 connector project. The second will remake the current US 220/NC 68 intersection into an interchange at the northern end of the current US 220 widening project. I have posted some of the signage plans for the latter on my I-73 in NC Segment 2 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on May 26, 2015, 01:24:18 PM
http://www.journalnow.com/news/local/buckle-up-winston-salem-s-northern-beltway-work-picking-up/article_a1cd3495-c2d0-52ad-be7c-a2b6150f8237.html


Latest update from Winston-Salem leg...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 31, 2015, 12:25:03 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on May 21, 2015, 11:40:44 AM
NCDOT has posted the contract documents for the final parts of two I-73 construction projects to be let on June 16. The first will complete work on the I-840/Bryan Blvd interchange at the southern end of the current I-73 PTI Airport to US 220 connector project. The second will remake the current US 220/NC 68 intersection into an interchange at the northern end of the current US 220 widening project. I have posted some of the signage plans for the latter on my I-73 in NC Segment 2 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html)


Do you  happen to have access to all signage plans for I-73? I tried clicking on the link you provided, but it won't let me access it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 31, 2015, 10:25:16 PM
Quote from: Strider on May 31, 2015, 12:25:03 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on May 21, 2015, 11:40:44 AM
NCDOT has posted the contract documents for the final parts of two I-73 construction projects to be let on June 16. The first will complete work on the I-840/Bryan Blvd interchange at the southern end of the current I-73 PTI Airport to US 220 connector project. The second will remake the current US 220/NC 68 intersection into an interchange at the northern end of the current US 220 widening project. I have posted some of the signage plans for the latter on my I-73 in NC Segment 2 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html)

Do you  happen to have access to all signage plans for I-73? I tried clicking on the link you provided, but it won't let me access it.
Plans for the '250' signage at the Bryan Blvd to PTI Airport exits are available here:
http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/DSPlan/2015%20Highway%20Letting/06-16-15/Plans%20and%20Proposals/Guilford%20U-2524BC%20C203290/Standard%20PDF%20Plans/ (http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/DSPlan/2015%20Highway%20Letting/06-16-15/Plans%20and%20Proposals/Guilford%20U-2524BC%20C203290/Standard%20PDF%20Plans/)
Plans for future I-73 signage along the Greensboro Loop from I-40 northward are available with the contract for the currently under construction segment from Bryan Blvd to US 220:
http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/DSPlan/2013%20Highway%20Letting/09-24-13/Plans%20and%20Proposals/Guilford%20U-2524C%20C203197/Roadway%20Part%20II/ (http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/DSPlan/2013%20Highway%20Letting/09-24-13/Plans%20and%20Proposals/Guilford%20U-2524C%20C203197/Roadway%20Part%20II/)
Signage plans for the rest of the I-73 project northward to US 220 were not available when the contract was let, since it is a design-build project.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 07, 2015, 09:46:32 PM
The NCDOT Board has approved the 2016-2025 State Transportation Improvement Plan (STIP), the first to be created under the new strategic mobility formula. A quick check of I-73/I-74 projects shows little change from the draft plan released last December. The next segment of the Rockingham Bypass remains unfunded. Work is to start on the W-S Beltway section between US 311 and Bus. 40 in 2022 (the rest, west of US 158, remains unfunded, pending approval of the Governor's transportation bond bill). I-74 east of I-95 will continue to be constructed on a piecemeal basis with upgrades planned to the next two US 74 at-grade intersections east of Lumberton: an interchange for the Broadbridge Rd intersection to start in 2019 and the separate NC 72/NC 150 intersections combined into an interchange to be built starting in 2025. There's also an ongoing feasibility study looking into the cost of upgrading US 74 to interstate standards from the Rockingham Bypass to Robeson County.
What's not in the plan: any work to even study upgrading US 52 north of the future W-S Beltway, nor US 220 north of NC 68 in Rockingham County, nor even to widen the shoulders of the existing route in Montgomery County (or to upgrade US 311 recently signed as I-74 in Forsyth County). Related to other future interstates, there are also 2 feasibility studies being funded which connect to the recent NC congressional delegations bills calling to upgrade US 64 between I-440 and US 17 and US 117 from Goldsboro to I-40 to Interstate routes.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on August 09, 2015, 10:41:11 PM
Strider was kind enough to forward several photos of I-73 construction on the Greensboro Area. Here's a photo of where I-73 will continue west from Bryan Blvd:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gribblenation.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg4str815a.jpg&hash=9cb2c9d3a96c9db8f3cb5bdeb327562a0c9097a4)

I have posted the rest near the top  of my I-73 Segment 3 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#seg3 (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#seg3)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Thing 342 on August 09, 2015, 10:57:05 PM
Great photos. Construction seems to be going along nicely.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on August 11, 2015, 12:19:39 PM
Seems to me that NC and TX are the two states most serious about Interstate construction! Even if they're stuck with out-of-place routes that may never connect to their original counterparts in our lifetimes.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on August 11, 2015, 06:50:59 PM
NC has been aggressive in building freeways for a long time. The state has just under 1400 miles of interstates, and it also has just under 700 miles of non-interstate freeways. Most of the latter fall well short of interstate standards, but that's a large inventory of roads that could be upgraded.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on August 11, 2015, 09:33:35 PM
Quote from: Henry on August 11, 2015, 12:19:39 PM
Seems to me that NC and TX are the two states most serious about Interstate construction! Even if they're stuck with out-of-place routes that may never connect to their original counterparts in our lifetimes.

There is only two I am assuming your talking about, I-73 and I-74.  Never know though, they only need Virginia and South Carolina to do their parts.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: noelbotevera on August 11, 2015, 09:51:20 PM
 :pan: :banghead: Too bad my family moved out of North Carolina (we lived in Lumberton, BTW). Their reason was that it was too hot, eh? Well, I could be on I-73/I-74 earlier!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: TravelingBethelite on August 12, 2015, 09:30:04 AM
The thing is, that I-73/74 will be roads to nowhere for a looooong time, if not forever. Any interstate that doesn't connect to any other = What's the purpose?  :ded:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on August 12, 2015, 01:04:46 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on August 11, 2015, 09:33:35 PM
Quote from: Henry on August 11, 2015, 12:19:39 PM
Seems to me that NC and TX are the two states most serious about Interstate construction! Even if they're stuck with out-of-place routes that may never connect to their original counterparts in our lifetimes.

There is only two I am assuming your talking about, I-73 and I-74.  Never know though, they only need Virginia and South Carolina to do their parts.
But those two are in NC; add I-2 and I-69 (including the E/C/W branches) to the list. In the case of I-69, LA, AR, MS and TN need to do their parts (KY and IN already are).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on August 12, 2015, 06:15:02 PM
Quote from: TravelingBethelite on August 12, 2015, 09:30:04 AM
The thing is, that I-73/74 will be roads to nowhere for a looooong time, if not forever. Any interstate that doesn't connect to any other = What's the purpose?  :ded:

If we had that attitude, no interstates would have been built.  Stuff takes time to build out and they usually start off as roads to nowhere.  Also, those interstates do connect to other interstates.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jwolfer on August 13, 2015, 08:14:12 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on August 12, 2015, 06:15:02 PM
Quote from: TravelingBethelite on August 12, 2015, 09:30:04 AM
The thing is, that I-73/74 will be roads to nowhere for a looooong time, if not forever. Any interstate that doesn't connect to any other = What's the purpose?  :ded:

If we had that attitude, no interstates would have been built.  Stuff takes time to build out and they usually start off as roads to nowhere.  Also, those interstates do connect to other interstates.
It's not 1960 anymore. The will and funding for new road construction isn't there. Furthermore transportation budgets are allocated to mass transit as well.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: orulz on August 14, 2015, 10:34:55 AM
Quote from: Henry on August 11, 2015, 12:19:39 PM
Seems to me that NC and TX are the two states most serious about Interstate construction! Even if they're stuck with out-of-place routes that may never connect to their original counterparts in our lifetimes.
The reason for this in NC is two-fold: (1) High gas tax, which means more revenue, and (2) the "equity formula" that until a couple years ago directed much of that revenue towards rural freeway construction, to the detriment of urban areas.

Other stub interstates include I-26. The construction of I-26 over Sams Gap on the North Carolina side really is an engineering marvel: 60mph speed limit, very gradual curves, and SIX LANES through extremely mountainous territory. And 12 years after it opened, it carries something like 9000 cars per day. The Tennessee side was completed earlier but is much curvier, has a 55mph speed limit, and only four lanes wide with no room to widen in a median - and IMO is probably a more appropriate design given the amount of traffic it carries.

Interestingly, I-26 and I-74 both have Columbus, OH as a planned northern terminus, so if I-74 is built as planned, I-26 could connect into it maybe somewhere near Williamson, WV, and travelers could just take I-74 north to Columbus from there.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on August 14, 2015, 12:40:40 PM
I had no idea that I-26 was planned to end in Columbus! I thought that was part of the original plans for I-73, before the states north/west of VA said no thanks.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: orulz on August 14, 2015, 12:47:29 PM
I don't know if there was ever an officially announced plan to call it I-26 through Kentucky and Ohio, but it was certainly discussed in committees, and US 23 has in fact been partially improved (though mostly not to interstate standard) through Kentucky and Ohio, as a part of the Appalachian Development Highway Corridors B and C.

http://mountainx.com/news/community-news/0716tennessee-php/
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: slorydn1 on August 14, 2015, 07:18:16 PM
Quote from: orulz on August 14, 2015, 10:34:55 AM
Quote from: Henry on August 11, 2015, 12:19:39 PM
Seems to me that NC and TX are the two states most serious about Interstate construction! Even if they're stuck with out-of-place routes that may never connect to their original counterparts in our lifetimes.
The reason for this in NC is two-fold: (1) High gas tax, which means more revenue, and (2) the "equity formula" that until a couple years ago directed much of that revenue towards rural freeway construction, to the detriment of urban areas.

Other stub interstates include I-26. The construction of I-26 over Sams Gap on the North Carolina side really is an engineering marvel: 60mph speed limit, very gradual curves, and SIX LANES through extremely mountainous territory. And 12 years after it opened, it carries something like 9000 cars per day. The Tennessee side was completed earlier but is much curvier, has a 55mph speed limit, and only four lanes wide with no room to widen in a median - and IMO is probably a more appropriate design given the amount of traffic it carries.

Interestingly, I-26 and I-74 both have Columbus, OH as a planned northern terminus, so if I-74 is built as planned, I-26 could connect into it maybe somewhere near Williamson, WV, and travelers could just take I-74 north to Columbus from there.


Kinda scratching my head at the detriment comment. That equity formula was put in place precisely because the urban areas had been getting all of the money for years, much to the detriment of the rural areas.


I've lived in eastern NC for 25 years, and I don't believe I have ever been to Raleigh, Durham, Greensboro, Winston-Salem, or Charlotte and not seen orange and white construction barrels littered pretty much everywhere in those cities. New freeways sprouting up everywhere, added lanes to existing freeways, more interchanges than one can shake a stick at, all of which was done even with the "detrimental" equity formula. How much more do the cities need?


The running joke when I first moved here was that the official state flower for NC was the construction cone, yet for years I never saw one outside of an urban area. We are finally getting some of our long sought after projects started here in the east-some of these projects have been discussed longer than I have lived here.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on August 14, 2015, 08:54:10 PM
Quote from: orulz on August 14, 2015, 10:34:55 AM
Quote from: Henry on August 11, 2015, 12:19:39 PM
Seems to me that NC and TX are the two states most serious about Interstate construction! Even if they're stuck with out-of-place routes that may never connect to their original counterparts in our lifetimes.
The reason for this in NC is two-fold: (1) High gas tax, which means more revenue, and (2) the "equity formula" that until a couple years ago directed much of that revenue towards rural freeway construction, to the detriment of urban areas.

Other stub interstates include I-26. The construction of I-26 over Sams Gap on the North Carolina side really is an engineering marvel: 60mph speed limit, very gradual curves, and SIX LANES through extremely mountainous territory. And 12 years after it opened, it carries something like 9000 cars per day. The Tennessee side was completed earlier but is much curvier, has a 55mph speed limit, and only four lanes wide with no room to widen in a median - and IMO is probably a more appropriate design given the amount of traffic it carries.

Interestingly, I-26 and I-74 both have Columbus, OH as a planned northern terminus, so if I-74 is built as planned, I-26 could connect into it maybe somewhere near Williamson, WV, and travelers could just take I-74 north to Columbus from there.
I-74? I-74 is supposed to go to Cincinnati to meet up with the existing section of I-74. If you mean I-73 last I heard I-73 is supposed to end at I-81 in Roanoke, VA because OH and MI put their parts of hold and WV is building there part as a corridor.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on August 14, 2015, 09:08:55 PM
Quote from: Henry on August 14, 2015, 12:40:40 PM
I had no idea that I-26 was planned to end in Columbus!

It isn't. US 23, as is, is perfectly adequate for traffic in Virginia and Kentucky. There will never be an I-26 in the Bluegrass State.

Quote from: orulz on August 14, 2015, 10:34:55 AM
Interestingly, I-26 and I-74 both have Columbus, OH as a planned northern terminus

No it doesn't.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on August 14, 2015, 09:12:20 PM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on August 14, 2015, 08:54:10 PM
I-74? I-74 is supposed to go to Cincinnati to meet up with the existing section of I-74. If you mean I-73 last I heard I-73 is supposed to end at I-81 in Roanoke, VA because OH and MI put their parts of hold and WV is building there part as a corridor.

I-74 in Virginia or North Carolina will never be extended to Cincinnati. What gets built in West Virginia will be built as a surface route, and Kentucky already has a perfectly good route linking I-64 to Cincy. It's called the AA Highway. As for WV, the US 35 to OH 32 corridor works pretty well to move traffic from the I-77/Charleston area to Cincy. US 35 is finally going to be completed in WV.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on August 14, 2015, 09:16:10 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 14, 2015, 09:12:20 PM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on August 14, 2015, 08:54:10 PM
I-74? I-74 is supposed to go to Cincinnati to meet up with the existing section of I-74. If you mean I-73 last I heard I-73 is supposed to end at I-81 in Roanoke, VA because OH and MI put their parts of hold and WV is building there part as a corridor.

I-74 in Virginia or North Carolina will never be extended to Cincinnati. What gets built in West Virginia will be built as a surface route, and Kentucky already has a perfectly good route linking I-64 to Cincy. It's called the AA Highway. As for WV, the US 35 to OH 32 corridor works pretty well to move traffic from the I-77/Charleston area to Cincy. US 35 is finally going to be completed in WV.
I know at one point KYDOT considering combining the AA Highway upgrade proposals and the I-74 corridor into one road but eitherway I-74 doesn't need to be extended past Cincinnati. It is just fine ending in Cincinnati. Half of the NCDOT I-74 is concurrent with I-73 it seems. There is no point to connect the two segments together. Just finish up surface road projects like US 35 and US 52 in WV.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mileage Mike on August 15, 2015, 08:57:08 PM
Quote from: slorydn1 on August 14, 2015, 07:18:16 PM
Quote from: orulz on August 14, 2015, 10:34:55 AM
Quote from: Henry on August 11, 2015, 12:19:39 PM
Seems to me that NC and TX are the two states most serious about Interstate construction! Even if they're stuck with out-of-place routes that may never connect to their original counterparts in our lifetimes.
The reason for this in NC is two-fold: (1) High gas tax, which means more revenue, and (2) the "equity formula" that until a couple years ago directed much of that revenue towards rural freeway construction, to the detriment of urban areas.

Other stub interstates include I-26. The construction of I-26 over Sams Gap on the North Carolina side really is an engineering marvel: 60mph speed limit, very gradual curves, and SIX LANES through extremely mountainous territory. And 12 years after it opened, it carries something like 9000 cars per day. The Tennessee side was completed earlier but is much curvier, has a 55mph speed limit, and only four lanes wide with no room to widen in a median - and IMO is probably a more appropriate design given the amount of traffic it carries.

Interestingly, I-26 and I-74 both have Columbus, OH as a planned northern terminus, so if I-74 is built as planned, I-26 could connect into it maybe somewhere near Williamson, WV, and travelers could just take I-74 north to Columbus from there.


Kinda scratching my head at the detriment comment. That equity formula was put in place precisely because the urban areas had been getting all of the money for years, much to the detriment of the rural areas.


I've lived in eastern NC for 25 years, and I don't believe I have ever been to Raleigh, Durham, Greensboro, Winston-Salem, or Charlotte and not seen orange and white construction barrels littered pretty much everywhere in those cities. New freeways sprouting up everywhere, added lanes to existing freeways, more interchanges than one can shake a stick at, all of which was done even with the "detrimental" equity formula. How much more do the cities need?


The running joke when I first moved here was that the official state flower for NC was the construction cone, yet for years I never saw one outside of an urban area. We are finally getting some of our long sought after projects started here in the east-some of these projects have been discussed longer than I have lived here.

A good example of it was US 64 and US 264 getting built as freeways through lightly traveled parts of Eastern NC.  Especially 64.  I'd even venture as far as to say 73/74 being built while I-77 and I-85 remained inefficient for their traffic volumes in Charlotte was one as well.  Another good example was the absence of funding to complete 485 in Charlotte, while 295 was being built in Fayetteville instead.

Thankfully they've adjusted accordingly and the Triangle and Charlotte get more of the funding they need.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on August 15, 2015, 09:23:48 PM
I'd say that 64 was improved to funnel vacation traffic to the Outer Banks. I have faint memories of driving across 64 a couple of times as a very young kid, and it seemed like it took forever. Back then, a trip to the Outer Banks took a good two days, and that was with us leaving around 4 or 5 in the morning (via KY 11, US 25E, I-81, I-40 and various US routes where 40 wasn't built yet, NC 98 and US 64). Now it could easily be done in a day's drive.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on August 17, 2015, 11:35:34 AM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on August 14, 2015, 09:16:10 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 14, 2015, 09:12:20 PM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on August 14, 2015, 08:54:10 PM
I-74? I-74 is supposed to go to Cincinnati to meet up with the existing section of I-74. If you mean I-73 last I heard I-73 is supposed to end at I-81 in Roanoke, VA because OH and MI put their parts of hold and WV is building there part as a corridor.

I-74 in Virginia or North Carolina will never be extended to Cincinnati. What gets built in West Virginia will be built as a surface route, and Kentucky already has a perfectly good route linking I-64 to Cincy. It's called the AA Highway. As for WV, the US 35 to OH 32 corridor works pretty well to move traffic from the I-77/Charleston area to Cincy. US 35 is finally going to be completed in WV.
I know at one point KYDOT considering combining the AA Highway upgrade proposals and the I-74 corridor into one road but eitherway I-74 doesn't need to be extended past Cincinnati. It is just fine ending in Cincinnati. Half of the NCDOT I-74 is concurrent with I-73 it seems. There is no point to connect the two segments together. Just finish up surface road projects like US 35 and US 52 in WV.
Which is why it makes absolutely no sense to have two separate I-74s, with one being so far out of place.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 17, 2015, 09:22:52 PM
Quote from: Henry on August 17, 2015, 11:35:34 AM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on August 14, 2015, 09:16:10 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 14, 2015, 09:12:20 PM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on August 14, 2015, 08:54:10 PM
I-74? I-74 is supposed to go to Cincinnati to meet up with the existing section of I-74. If you mean I-73 last I heard I-73 is supposed to end at I-81 in Roanoke, VA because OH and MI put their parts of hold and WV is building there part as a corridor.

I-74 in Virginia or North Carolina will never be extended to Cincinnati. What gets built in West Virginia will be built as a surface route, and Kentucky already has a perfectly good route linking I-64 to Cincy. It's called the AA Highway. As for WV, the US 35 to OH 32 corridor works pretty well to move traffic from the I-77/Charleston area to Cincy. US 35 is finally going to be completed in WV.
I know at one point KYDOT considering combining the AA Highway upgrade proposals and the I-74 corridor into one road but eitherway I-74 doesn't need to be extended past Cincinnati. It is just fine ending in Cincinnati. Half of the NCDOT I-74 is concurrent with I-73 it seems. There is no point to connect the two segments together. Just finish up surface road projects like US 35 and US 52 in WV.
Which is why it makes absolutely no sense to have two separate I-74s, with one being so far out of place.

That's why I'll always will support making the NC I-74 into I-79.  At least all you would have to do to connect it to the original I-79 is to add shields along I-77 for it.  And then you don't even have to really do that!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on August 17, 2015, 09:28:10 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 17, 2015, 09:22:52 PM
That's why I'll always will support making the NC I-74 into I-79.  At least all you would have to do to connect it to the original I-79 is to add shields along I-77 for it.  And then you don't even have to really do that!
That's a brilliant idea. An I-77/I-79 concurrency isn't even that hard.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on August 19, 2015, 12:24:35 PM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on August 17, 2015, 09:28:10 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 17, 2015, 09:22:52 PM
That's why I'll always will support making the NC I-74 into I-79.  At least all you would have to do to connect it to the original I-79 is to add shields along I-77 for it.  And then you don't even have to really do that!
That's a brilliant idea. An I-77/I-79 concurrency isn't even that hard.
I like having a southern I-79 in place of I-73/I-74 myself! In fact, I remember drawing an I-79 on the atlases from Greensboro to Myrtle Beach along the route that was to become I-73, as well as an I-36 for the Asheville-Charlotte-Wilmington route. Alas, those plans will never be realized now...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on August 19, 2015, 02:45:24 PM
Move your Interstate 74 renumbering to Interstate 79 to Fictional Highways, since it is not going to happen in the non-fictional world. Same with your Interstate 36 proposal.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 02, 2015, 10:21:18 PM
A look through the latest information on NCDOT's Construction Progress Report shows the completion dates for a couple I-73 projects have been moved back. The widening of US 220 north of Greensboro to NC 68 now has a completion date of June 2017, moved from December 2016. This is not a surprise since the project is way behind schedule, just over half is finished when it was scheduled to be nearly 90% done. The delay means that the recently awarded contract for reconstructing the NC 68 intersection into an interchange on the north end of the widening project is now scheduled to be completed first, in May 2017. The design-build contract building the rest of I-73 from the PTI Airport to US 220 would also have been completed first due to this delay, but that project's completion date has also been moved back, from April to October 2017. Work is about 1/3 complete on this project.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jbnati27 on September 03, 2015, 01:35:14 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 14, 2015, 09:12:20 PM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on August 14, 2015, 08:54:10 PM
I-74? I-74 is supposed to go to Cincinnati to meet up with the existing section of I-74. If you mean I-73 last I heard I-73 is supposed to end at I-81 in Roanoke, VA because OH and MI put their parts of hold and WV is building there part as a corridor.

I-74 in Virginia or North Carolina will never be extended to Cincinnati. What gets built in West Virginia will be built as a surface route, and Kentucky already has a perfectly good route linking I-64 to Cincy. It's called the AA Highway. As for WV, the US 35 to OH 32 corridor works pretty well to move traffic from the I-77/Charleston area to Cincy. US 35 is finally going to be completed in WV.

That's good news about US35 being completed in WV. The two lane portion can be a little brutal to travel.

I've also used OH32/US23/US52 to get to I-64 at Huntington, WV from Cincy. My connecting point for the AA Highway is US62/68 at Maysville.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jbnati27 on September 03, 2015, 01:37:43 PM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on August 17, 2015, 09:28:10 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 17, 2015, 09:22:52 PM
That's why I'll always will support making the NC I-74 into I-79.  At least all you would have to do to connect it to the original I-79 is to add shields along I-77 for it.  And then you don't even have to really do that!
That's a brilliant idea. An I-77/I-79 concurrency isn't even that hard.

I agree. This would put I-79 East of I-77, where it belongs. It's not a problem until later, when it crosses I-95 LOL. At least you wouldn't have I-74 that far South and you wouldn't have the whole US74/I-74 concurrency confusion.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on September 03, 2015, 07:35:07 PM
If the US 19 corridor into Beckley is ever upgraded, the multiplex can be further reduced.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 03, 2015, 10:57:44 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on September 03, 2015, 07:35:07 PM
If the US 19 corridor into Beckley is ever upgraded, the multiplex can be further reduced.

No way is it ever going to be upgraded.  Too many small roads that have their only connection to that route.  Anyways, now we're getting a tad too close to the fictional part.  So, if you want to continue on the US-19 upgrade to an Interstate, do so in the fictional area. ;)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on September 04, 2015, 01:28:14 PM
Quote from: TravelingBethelite on August 12, 2015, 09:30:04 AM
The thing is, that I-73/74 will be roads to nowhere for a looooong time, if not forever. Any interstate that doesn't connect to any other = What's the purpose?  :ded:



Wrong. Both interstates are connected to I-40 and I-85 as well as each other for now. If US 52 is being upgraded to interstate status, you can add I-77 due to the I-74 connection. Purpose served. The only issue: extend them into other state. As far as I know, I-73 has a chance to be completed to another state (VA or SC) before I-74 does.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Rothman on September 04, 2015, 01:33:30 PM
At least in NY, the FHWA Division Office is not allowing I-86 sections to be shielded before they are "linked" to other interstates (i.e., isolated sections of "interstate" cannot be shielded as such).

Of course, we're managed by a bunch of people who rarely look outside of the state's borders, so all they'd have to do is point out that southern Texas nonsense with I-2 and the alphabet soup I-69s and say that they're being inconsistent.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on September 04, 2015, 01:37:36 PM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on August 14, 2015, 08:54:10 PM
Quote from: orulz on August 14, 2015, 10:34:55 AM
Quote from: Henry on August 11, 2015, 12:19:39 PM
Seems to me that NC and TX are the two states most serious about Interstate construction! Even if they're stuck with out-of-place routes that may never connect to their original counterparts in our lifetimes.
The reason for this in NC is two-fold: (1) High gas tax, which means more revenue, and (2) the "equity formula" that until a couple years ago directed much of that revenue towards rural freeway construction, to the detriment of urban areas.

Other stub interstates include I-26. The construction of I-26 over Sams Gap on the North Carolina side really is an engineering marvel: 60mph speed limit, very gradual curves, and SIX LANES through extremely mountainous territory. And 12 years after it opened, it carries something like 9000 cars per day. The Tennessee side was completed earlier but is much curvier, has a 55mph speed limit, and only four lanes wide with no room to widen in a median - and IMO is probably a more appropriate design given the amount of traffic it carries.

Interestingly, I-26 and I-74 both have Columbus, OH as a planned northern terminus, so if I-74 is built as planned, I-26 could connect into it maybe somewhere near Williamson, WV, and travelers could just take I-74 north to Columbus from there.
I-74? I-74 is supposed to go to Cincinnati to meet up with the existing section of I-74. If you mean I-73 last I heard I-73 is supposed to end at I-81 in Roanoke, VA because OH and MI put their parts of hold and WV is building there part as a corridor.



Correct. I-73 is proposed to begin/end at I-81 for time being (more likely a very long time since other states are putitng their routes on hold). At least it will connect Roanoke with Greensboro. The road makes sense because Martinsville needs a interstate connection (especially now that they have Speedway that is often being used for NASCAR races. You need a interstate connection for that).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on September 04, 2015, 03:51:56 PM
I've been to a race in Martinsville - you don't need an interstate connection for it. Just better parking.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on September 04, 2015, 05:25:15 PM
Quote from: Rothman on September 04, 2015, 01:33:30 PM
At least in NY, the FHWA Division Office is not allowing I-86 sections to be shielded before they are "linked" to other interstates (i.e., isolated sections of "interstate" cannot be shielded as such).

Of course, we're managed by a bunch of people who rarely look outside of the state's borders, so all they'd have to do is point out that southern Texas nonsense with I-2 and the alphabet soup I-69s and say that they're being inconsistent.

Yet FHWA and AASHTO did allow New York to sign I-99 from I-86 to the PA state line.  :bigass:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Rothman on September 04, 2015, 05:49:10 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on September 04, 2015, 05:25:15 PM
Quote from: Rothman on September 04, 2015, 01:33:30 PM
At least in NY, the FHWA Division Office is not allowing I-86 sections to be shielded before they are "linked" to other interstates (i.e., isolated sections of "interstate" cannot be shielded as such).

Of course, we're managed by a bunch of people who rarely look outside of the state's borders, so all they'd have to do is point out that southern Texas nonsense with I-2 and the alphabet soup I-69s and say that they're being inconsistent.

Yet FHWA and AASHTO did allow New York to sign I-99 from I-86 to the PA state line.  :bigass:

Only when I-86 had been designated itself since it connected to I-90.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: noelbotevera on September 04, 2015, 05:51:42 PM
Quote from: Rothman on September 04, 2015, 05:49:10 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on September 04, 2015, 05:25:15 PM
Quote from: Rothman on September 04, 2015, 01:33:30 PM
At least in NY, the FHWA Division Office is not allowing I-86 sections to be shielded before they are "linked" to other interstates (i.e., isolated sections of "interstate" cannot be shielded as such).

Of course, we're managed by a bunch of people who rarely look outside of the state's borders, so all they'd have to do is point out that southern Texas nonsense with I-2 and the alphabet soup I-69s and say that they're being inconsistent.

Yet FHWA and AASHTO did allow New York to sign I-99 from I-86 to the PA state line.  :bigass:

Only when I-86 had been designated itself since it connected to I-90.
I-99 and I-86 are gapped and end at unlogical places. Eh, not as bad as US 319.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Rothman on September 04, 2015, 06:37:04 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on September 04, 2015, 05:51:42 PM
Quote from: Rothman on September 04, 2015, 05:49:10 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on September 04, 2015, 05:25:15 PM
Quote from: Rothman on September 04, 2015, 01:33:30 PM
At least in NY, the FHWA Division Office is not allowing I-86 sections to be shielded before they are "linked" to other interstates (i.e., isolated sections of "interstate" cannot be shielded as such).

Of course, we're managed by a bunch of people who rarely look outside of the state's borders, so all they'd have to do is point out that southern Texas nonsense with I-2 and the alphabet soup I-69s and say that they're being inconsistent.

Yet FHWA and AASHTO did allow New York to sign I-99 from I-86 to the PA state line.  :bigass:

Only when I-86 had been designated itself since it connected to I-90.
I-99 and I-86 are gapped and end at unlogical places. Eh, not as bad as US 319.

Western I-86 starts at I-90 and ends where it is no longer at acceptable standards to FHWA.

Eastern I-86 connects to I-81; same rules.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on September 05, 2015, 12:16:10 AM
Quote from: Strider on September 04, 2015, 01:37:36 PMMartinsville needs a interstate connection (especially now that they have Speedway that is often being used for NASCAR races. You need a interstate connection for that).

NOW that they have the speedway? That's only the oldest track on the NASCAR circuit. (With the possible exception of Indy, but that's a relatively recent addition to the schedule.)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on September 05, 2015, 10:34:49 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 05, 2015, 12:16:10 AM
Quote from: Strider on September 04, 2015, 01:37:36 PMMartinsville needs a interstate connection (especially now that they have Speedway that is often being used for NASCAR races. You need a interstate connection for that).

NOW that they have the speedway? That's only the oldest track on the NASCAR circuit. (With the possible exception of Indy, but that's a relatively recent addition to the schedule.)

With this criteria (Martinsville Speedway now can seat around 65k people), numerous college towns would need an interstate connection in addition to most other NASCAR venues...

Mike
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on September 06, 2015, 11:30:16 AM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on September 04, 2015, 03:51:56 PM
I've been to a race in Martinsville - you don't need an interstate connection for it. Just better parking.


Parking isn't the only issue. Traffic is as well. (been there a couple of times as well as living a hour away from there).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 06, 2015, 11:36:57 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on September 05, 2015, 10:34:49 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 05, 2015, 12:16:10 AM
Quote from: Strider on September 04, 2015, 01:37:36 PMMartinsville needs a interstate connection (especially now that they have Speedway that is often being used for NASCAR races. You need a interstate connection for that).

NOW that they have the speedway? That's only the oldest track on the NASCAR circuit. (With the possible exception of Indy, but that's a relatively recent addition to the schedule.)

With this criteria (Martinsville Speedway now can seat around 65k people), numerous college towns would need an interstate connection in addition to most other NASCAR venues...

Mike

Well under that logic the US 460 Christiansburg/Blacksburg bypass needs to be upgraded to interstate standards so it can become I-781 until I-73 is truly more than a pipe-dream  :-D
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: roadman65 on September 06, 2015, 01:20:15 PM
Do not ever count on I-73 being north of I-81.  I think you have a better chance of a meteorite hitting the Empire State Building within a few seconds of me writing this, then you have West Virginia, Ohio, and Michigan building the roadway.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on September 06, 2015, 10:10:38 PM
West Virginia will not build an interstate. They are building a surface route. Do people not read earlier posts here?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MikeSantNY78 on September 07, 2015, 08:47:30 PM
Quote from: Strider on September 04, 2015, 01:28:14 PM
Quote from: TravelingBethelite on August 12, 2015, 09:30:04 AM
The thing is, that I-73/74 will be roads to nowhere for a looooong time, if not forever. Any interstate that doesn't connect to any other = What's the purpose?  :ded:



Wrong. Both interstates are connected to I-40 and I-85 as well as each other for now. If US 52 is being upgraded to interstate status, you can add I-77 due to the I-74 connection. Purpose served. The only issue: extend them into other state. As far as I know, I-73 has a chance to be completed to another state (VA or SC) before I-74 does.

"As of December 2008, Interstate 74 is proposed to follow the path of Interstate 77 through the state of Virginia, but remains unsigned from the West Virginia border to the North Carolina border." (I-74 article in Wikipedia)
If it weren't for that bolded word, I'd say I-74 had a hidden concurrency with I-77 in Virginia...and thus would be completed in that state...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on September 07, 2015, 08:58:01 PM
Virginia traffic logs, which show hidden concurrencies with one of its VA 9000x routes and the gaps in VA 42, does not show an I-74 concurrency and to my recollection I-74 has never been discussed in the CTB or on VDOT's website...

Mike
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 07, 2015, 09:56:48 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on September 07, 2015, 08:58:01 PM
Virginia traffic logs, which show hidden concurrencies with one of its VA 9000x routes and the gaps in VA 42, does not show an I-74 concurrency and to my recollection I-74 has never been discussed in the CTB or on VDOT's website...

Mike
True. However, AASHTO in 1997 officially approved I-74's routing south of I-81 along I-77 to the NC border, as well as its proposed routes through NC and SC, so VDOT could put I-74 signs up if they wanted to. I don't see any need for VA to put up any signs though until the I-74 is signed to Winston-Salem.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on September 08, 2015, 11:22:35 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on September 07, 2015, 09:56:48 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on September 07, 2015, 08:58:01 PM
Virginia traffic logs, which show hidden concurrencies with one of its VA 9000x routes and the gaps in VA 42, does not show an I-74 concurrency and to my recollection I-74 has never been discussed in the CTB or on VDOT's website...

Mike
True. However, AASHTO in 1997 officially approved I-74's routing south of I-81 along I-77 to the NC border, as well as its proposed routes through NC and SC, so VDOT could put I-74 signs up if they wanted to. I don't see any need for VA to put up any signs though until the I-74 is signed to Winston-Salem.
And seeing that I-74 is not connecting to Cincinnati anytime soon, why would they? That's just another useless concurrency we simply don't need.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on November 12, 2015, 03:32:02 PM
Agreed. Someday in the not too distant future, NC will decide that it wants an interstate designation across the southern edge of the state from Tryon (I-26) to Wilmington. That will put an end to the I-74 nonsense. (I hope.)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on November 19, 2015, 04:14:09 PM
http://governor.nc.gov/press-release/governor-mccrory-announces-accelerated-timelines-major-transportation-projects


Included with this is the *entire* I-74 stretch on the eastern end of Winston-Salem!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 19, 2015, 10:53:39 PM
Quote from: jcarte29 on November 19, 2015, 04:14:09 PM
http://governor.nc.gov/press-release/governor-mccrory-announces-accelerated-timelines-major-transportation-projects

Included with this is the *entire* I-74 stretch on the eastern end of Winston-Salem!
In addition to the specific projects mentioned, the governor's plan would fund additional projects in the 2016-2025 State TIP. These include a new project that would fund bringing US 74 up to Interstate Standards between the Rockingham Bypass and the existing I-74 in Robeson County, work would start in 2022. Also several intersection conversion to interchange projects for Future I-73 along US 220 north of Greensboro and Future I-74 along US 52 in Stokes County would be accelerated to start in 2022 and 2023.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: mvak36 on November 20, 2015, 12:27:43 PM
When they say Fiscal Year, what does that mean? For example, if they say FY 16, does that mean it's just all of 2016?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: froggie on November 20, 2015, 02:52:26 PM
Quote from: mvak36When they say Fiscal Year, what does that mean? For example, if they say FY 16, does that mean it's just all of 2016?

No because, at the Federal level, FY 2016 began on October 1, 2015.  Some states do the same...some states begin their fiscal year July 1 of the prior year (so in this case, July 1, 2015).  I'm not sure what North Carolina's situation is.

In short, governmental Fiscal Years do not coincide exactly with the regular calendar.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on November 20, 2015, 06:03:41 PM
Quote from: froggie on November 20, 2015, 02:52:26 PM
Quote from: mvak36When they say Fiscal Year, what does that mean? For example, if they say FY 16, does that mean it's just all of 2016?

No because, at the Federal level, FY 2016 began on October 1, 2015.  Some states do the same...some states begin their fiscal year July 1 of the prior year (so in this case, July 1, 2015).  I'm not sure what North Carolina's situation is.

In short, governmental Fiscal Years do not coincide exactly with the regular calendar.

North Carolina is July 1st.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 15, 2015, 11:24:40 PM
I have posted several new photos of construction of the first segment of the I-74 Winston Salem Beltway forwarded to me by jcarte29 on my I-74 Segment 4 page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html)

In other news, a Randolph County source has told me that in discussions with an NCDOT engineer about the I-73/74 Rockingham Bypass, he was told that the Bypass segment, currently unfunded, may be funded next year. It was unclear whether this was more from the governor's budget changes, or that the project would be funded in the new Draft 2018-2027 STIP due out next summer.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on December 16, 2015, 04:35:50 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on December 15, 2015, 11:24:40 PM
I have posted several new photos of construction of the first segment of the I-74 Winston Salem Beltway forwarded to me by jcarte29 on my I-74 Segment 4 page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html)

In other news, a Randolph County source has told me that in discussions with an NCDOT engineer about the I-73/74 Rockingham Bypass, he was told that the Bypass segment, currently unfunded, may be funded next year. It was unclear whether this was more from the governor's budget changes, or that the project would be funded in the new Draft 2018-2027 STIP due out next summer.

I thank you for adding the pictures to your website. My next trip up there will be either spring or summer of 2016 and I will check out progress on the (northwest) US 158 side of the segment. -JAC
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 01, 2016, 11:49:23 PM
I have posted my annual I-73/I-74 in NC Year in Review for 2015. Thanks to all who contributed news and photos to me for my website over the past year: http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2016/01/i-73i-74-year-in-review-2015.html (http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2016/01/i-73i-74-year-in-review-2015.html)

Happy New Year!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on January 02, 2016, 06:24:02 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 01, 2016, 11:49:23 PM
I have posted my annual I-73/I-74 in NC Year in Review for 2015. Thanks to all who contributed news and photos to me for my website over the past year: http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2016/01/i-73i-74-year-in-review-2015.html (http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2016/01/i-73i-74-year-in-review-2015.html)

Happy New Year!

Thanks...this is a very helpful review of these projects!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 07, 2016, 11:50:48 PM
The NCDOT Board has officially approved the projects added to the State 2016-2025 STIP due to the change by the Governor of the budget formula. This includes adding a project to upgrade of US 74 between Rockingham and Robeson County to interstate standards starting in 2022.

More details in this article: https://yourdailyjournal.com/news/local-news-5/20605/state-board-approves-u-s-74-upgrade (https://yourdailyjournal.com/news/local-news-5/20605/state-board-approves-u-s-74-upgrade)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Rothman on January 08, 2016, 11:24:20 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 07, 2016, 11:50:48 PM
The NCDOT Board has officially approved the projects added to the State 2016-2025 STIP due to the change by the Governor of the budget formula. This includes adding a project to upgrade of US 74 between Rockingham and Robeson County to interstate standards starting in 2022.

More details in this article: https://yourdailyjournal.com/news/local-news-5/20605/state-board-approves-u-s-74-upgrade (https://yourdailyjournal.com/news/local-news-5/20605/state-board-approves-u-s-74-upgrade)

2022?  10 year STIP?

*guffaws*

Around these parts in NY, anything more than two years out is pure fantasy even when we're asked to put something down on paper.  Typically do a four-FFY STIP and a five-SFY capital program.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: noelbotevera on January 08, 2016, 03:40:24 PM
Eh. It's only 60 miles. I remember going out that way a long time ago. I thought they finished the work west of Lumberton.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on January 08, 2016, 06:31:45 PM
Quote from: Rothman on January 08, 2016, 11:24:20 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 07, 2016, 11:50:48 PM
The NCDOT Board has officially approved the projects added to the State 2016-2025 STIP due to the change by the Governor of the budget formula. This includes adding a project to upgrade of US 74 between Rockingham and Robeson County to interstate standards starting in 2022.

More details in this article: https://yourdailyjournal.com/news/local-news-5/20605/state-board-approves-u-s-74-upgrade (https://yourdailyjournal.com/news/local-news-5/20605/state-board-approves-u-s-74-upgrade)

2022?  10 year STIP?

*guffaws*

Around these parts in NY, anything more than two years out is pure fantasy even when we're asked to put something down on paper.  Typically do a four-FFY STIP and a five-SFY capital program.

In NC, highway projects are often delayed (like they are everywhere), but inclusion in the STIP is a big step toward getting a project done.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 26, 2016, 11:24:12 AM
News article indicates new segment of I-73 from PTI Airport to US 220 near the Haw River should be open by the end of this year: http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MazdaStrider on February 01, 2016, 10:08:24 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 26, 2016, 11:24:12 AM
News article indicates new segment of I-73 from PTI Airport to US 220 near the Haw River should be open by the end of this year: http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html)


That is a very good news! I cannot wait to drive on the new section
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on February 02, 2016, 11:21:37 AM
Two more pieces of the puzzle fall into place! I think it's great that the US 74 upgrade will continue to happen, and I-73 is moving a few miles closer to Roanoke.

But 2025? That's pretty ambitious for a 60-mile project. Perhaps now would be a great time to push that Asheville-Charlotte-Wilmington Interstate!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: noelbotevera on February 02, 2016, 04:51:06 PM
Quote from: Henry on February 02, 2016, 11:21:37 AM
Two more pieces of the puzzle fall into place! I think it's great that the US 74 upgrade will continue to happen, and I-73 is moving a few miles closer to Roanoke.

But 2025? That's pretty ambitious for a 60-mile project. Perhaps now would be a great time to push that Asheville-Charlotte-Wilmington Interstate!
We're dealing with a poor part of NC. They really are pushing hard for the interstate, but the funds aren't there.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on February 03, 2016, 01:58:11 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 26, 2016, 11:24:12 AM
News article indicates new segment of I-73 from PTI Airport to US 220 near the Haw River should be open by the end of this year: http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html)

This is a surprise. The NCDOT web site lists the project as slightly ahead of schedule (that's good) but the projected completion date in October 2017, not 2016. Is this a statement that the section between US 220 and NC 68 would open a year sooner?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on February 03, 2016, 02:43:34 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on February 03, 2016, 01:58:11 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 26, 2016, 11:24:12 AM
News article indicates new segment of I-73 from PTI Airport to US 220 near the Haw River should be open by the end of this year: http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html)

This is a surprise. The NCDOT web site lists the project as slightly ahead of schedule (that's good) but the projected completion date is October 2017, not 2016. Is this a statement that the section between US 220 and NC 68 would open a year sooner?
Based on the article, the PTI Airport taxiway won't be completed until later in 2017 and so the completion date cited must be for that part of the project, not the roadway. It is possible though, that they could open the NC 68 and US 220 segment before the rest if there's some delay in the Bryan Blvd. area (though they probably couldn't sign it as I-73 until the rest of the highway opens).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MazdaStrider on February 04, 2016, 12:21:12 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 03, 2016, 02:43:34 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on February 03, 2016, 01:58:11 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 26, 2016, 11:24:12 AM
News article indicates new segment of I-73 from PTI Airport to US 220 near the Haw River should be open by the end of this year: http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html)

This is a surprise. The NCDOT web site lists the project as slightly ahead of schedule (that's good) but the projected completion date is October 2017, not 2016. Is this a statement that the section between US 220 and NC 68 would open a year sooner?
Based on the article, the PTI Airport taxiway won't be completed until later in 2017 and so the completion date cited must be for that part of the project, not the roadway. It is possible though, that they could open the NC 68 and US 220 segment before the rest if there's some delay in the Bryan Blvd. area (though they probably couldn't sign it as I-73 until the rest of the highway opens).


Maybe they are trying to finish building I-73 itself and when it opens, drivers can use it while they are working on the taxiway bridge over the new interstate. Who knows. Either way, I am glad it is almost done. NC 68 traffic has been a nightmare. I plan on checking out the construction sometime this weekend and see if there are some progress going on.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on February 04, 2016, 03:35:34 PM
Meanwhile, down in Columbus County: the February NCDOT letting includes a $4 million project to replace an intersection on US 74 with an overpass. The location is southeast of Evergreen, where the old US 74 intersects the new route. It's another small step in the conversion of US 74 to I-74.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on February 05, 2016, 11:26:43 AM
Quote from: MazdaStrider on February 04, 2016, 12:21:12 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 03, 2016, 02:43:34 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on February 03, 2016, 01:58:11 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 26, 2016, 11:24:12 AM
News article indicates new segment of I-73 from PTI Airport to US 220 near the Haw River should be open by the end of this year: http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html)

This is a surprise. The NCDOT web site lists the project as slightly ahead of schedule (that's good) but the projected completion date is October 2017, not 2016. Is this a statement that the section between US 220 and NC 68 would open a year sooner?
Based on the article, the PTI Airport taxiway won't be completed until later in 2017 and so the completion date cited must be for that part of the project, not the roadway. It is possible though, that they could open the NC 68 and US 220 segment before the rest if there's some delay in the Bryan Blvd. area (though they probably couldn't sign it as I-73 until the rest of the highway opens).


Maybe they are trying to finish building I-73 itself and when it opens, drivers can use it while they are working on the taxiway bridge over the new interstate. Who knows. Either way, I am glad it is almost done. NC 68 traffic has been a nightmare. I plan on checking out the construction sometime this weekend and see if there are some progress going on.
Here's an illustration of the taxiway bridge I found on the contractor's website:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flatironcorp.com%2Fassets%2FProjectImages%2F1059PTI-Photo1.png&hash=50cb7a1112fa85804029debe98440fc293e95450)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ReeseFerlautoI74/85 on February 25, 2016, 05:57:41 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 05, 2016, 11:26:43 AM
Quote from: MazdaStrider on February 04, 2016, 12:21:12 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 03, 2016, 02:43:34 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on February 03, 2016, 01:58:11 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 26, 2016, 11:24:12 AM
News article indicates new segment of I-73 from PTI Airport to US 220 near the Haw River should be open by the end of this year: http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html)

This is a surprise. The NCDOT web site lists the project as slightly ahead of schedule (that's good) but the projected completion date is October 2017, not 2016. Is this a statement that the section between US 220 and NC 68 would open a year sooner?
Based on the article, the PTI Airport taxiway won't be completed until later in 2017 and so the completion date cited must be for that part of the project, not the roadway. It is possible though, that they could open the NC 68 and US 220 segment before the rest if there's some delay in the Bryan Blvd. area (though they probably couldn't sign it as I-73 until the rest of the highway opens).


Maybe they are trying to finish building I-73 itself and when it opens, drivers can use it while they are working on the taxiway bridge over the new interstate. Who knows. Either way, I am glad it is almost done. NC 68 traffic has been a nightmare. I plan on checking out the construction sometime this weekend and see if there are some progress going on.
Here's an illustration of the taxiway bridge I found on the contractor's website:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flatironcorp.com%2Fassets%2FProjectImages%2F1059PTI-Photo1.png&hash=50cb7a1112fa85804029debe98440fc293e95450)
Different kind of bridge!

SM-G360T1

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on February 26, 2016, 11:20:39 AM
Checking through the latest version of NCDOT's 2016-2025 STIP (available at: https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIPDocuments1/LIVE_STIP.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIPDocuments1/LIVE_STIP.pdf) )
I found that the entry for the I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass has been revised. Construction of Part 2 of the project, the actual bypass from US 220 to US 74, is now funded with construction is to start in 2022. With this project now funded along with the project to upgrade of US 74 between Rockingham and Laurinburg, also to start in 2022, I-73 should be signed from Greensboro to Rockingham and I-74 from High Point to Laurinburg by 2025.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on February 26, 2016, 11:29:52 AM
Quote from: ReeseFerlautoI74/85 on February 25, 2016, 05:57:41 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 05, 2016, 11:26:43 AM
Quote from: MazdaStrider on February 04, 2016, 12:21:12 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 03, 2016, 02:43:34 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on February 03, 2016, 01:58:11 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 26, 2016, 11:24:12 AM
News article indicates new segment of I-73 from PTI Airport to US 220 near the Haw River should be open by the end of this year: http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html)

This is a surprise. The NCDOT web site lists the project as slightly ahead of schedule (that's good) but the projected completion date is October 2017, not 2016. Is this a statement that the section between US 220 and NC 68 would open a year sooner?
Based on the article, the PTI Airport taxiway won't be completed until later in 2017 and so the completion date cited must be for that part of the project, not the roadway. It is possible though, that they could open the NC 68 and US 220 segment before the rest if there's some delay in the Bryan Blvd. area (though they probably couldn't sign it as I-73 until the rest of the highway opens).


Maybe they are trying to finish building I-73 itself and when it opens, drivers can use it while they are working on the taxiway bridge over the new interstate. Who knows. Either way, I am glad it is almost done. NC 68 traffic has been a nightmare. I plan on checking out the construction sometime this weekend and see if there are some progress going on.
Here's an illustration of the taxiway bridge I found on the contractor's website:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flatironcorp.com%2Fassets%2FProjectImages%2F1059PTI-Photo1.png&hash=50cb7a1112fa85804029debe98440fc293e95450)
Different kind of bridge!

SM-G360T1


Doesn't something similar to that already exist in Atlanta?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: clong on February 26, 2016, 01:53:16 PM
Yes, I-285 between exits 59 and 60.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ReeseFerlautoI74/85 on February 26, 2016, 03:16:06 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 26, 2016, 11:20:39 AM
Checking through the latest version of NCDOT's 2016-2025 STIP (available at: https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIPDocuments1/LIVE_STIP.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIPDocuments1/LIVE_STIP.pdf) )
I found that the entry for the I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass has been revised. Construction of Part 2 of the project, the actual bypass from US 220 to US 74, is now funded with construction is to start in 2022. With this project now funded along with the project to upgrade of US 74 between Rockingham and Laurinburg, also to start in 2022, I-73 should be signed from Greensboro to Rockingham and I-74 from High Point to Laurinburg by 2025.
2022? Dang that's long

SM-G360T1

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: I94RoadRunner on March 31, 2016, 08:20:55 PM
Quote from: ReeseFerlautoI74/85 on February 26, 2016, 03:16:06 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 26, 2016, 11:20:39 AM
Checking through the latest version of NCDOT's 2016-2025 STIP (available at: https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIPDocuments1/LIVE_STIP.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIPDocuments1/LIVE_STIP.pdf) )
I found that the entry for the I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass has been revised. Construction of Part 2 of the project, the actual bypass from US 220 to US 74, is now funded with construction is to start in 2022. With this project now funded along with the project to upgrade of US 74 between Rockingham and Laurinburg, also to start in 2022, I-73 should be signed from Greensboro to Rockingham and I-74 from High Point to Laurinburg by 2025.
2022? Dang that's long

SM-G360T1


I drove I-74 and I-73/74 back in March. The west Rockingham bypass has started on the northern half. A new trumpet interchange is taking shape where the new bypass will meet the existing US 220 going south into Rockingham. Frontage roads are being constructed between the new US 220 interchange and Ellerbe. Looks like there is some minor grading along the rest of the planned route to the existing US 74 freeway.

To the north, the new alignment of I-73 is visible on Google Maps for the NC 68 connector. Grading for interchanges at NC 65 and a "reversed" diamond at US 158 (there was a diamond here prior however US 158 was the through route!). This route is expected to open to traffic in December of 2016 and be signed as I-73.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on March 31, 2016, 09:07:16 PM
NCDOT is putting out an I-73 Greensboro update in their April 2016 Transportation Board meeting...

http://www.ncdot.gov/board/bot/committees/highways/Hwys_I-73_Connector_Update.pdf

Mike
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 03, 2016, 10:56:54 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on March 31, 2016, 09:07:16 PM
NCDOT is putting out an I-73 Greensboro update in their April 2016 Transportation Board meeting...

http://www.ncdot.gov/board/bot/committees/highways/Hwys_I-73_Connector_Update.pdf

Mike
Looks like the NC 68 part will open first in December, followed by the Bryan Blvd to NC 68 in April 2017. Guess they'll have to keep any I-73 signs covered up north of NC 68 until the southern section is complete, if they go strictly by the book. No mention of the completion date for the US 220 project, which according the the Construction Progress Report is June 2017, but still only 57% done.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: I94RoadRunner on April 07, 2016, 01:11:55 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on August 02, 2009, 07:18:55 AM
The powers that be, IMHO, dropped the ball in allowing NC all of this latitude for a project that will never connect up, nor be finished in any meaningful way.  It is confusing to motorists, pointless, and even if completed, there are plenty of places on either "interstate" where the most logical route between two points on the route will not be the route, which should never happen.

This is my humbe solution.

Simply renumber the short section of I-74 from I-77 to US 52 as either "I-177" or "US 152" with signage of "TO US 52" or "TO I-77" beside it.

Instead of I-177, it could also be a longer I-285 when that finally gets signed in NC along US 52

Let the rest simply carry its US route numbers.  All of the rest of both projects is multi-plexed with current US routes.  US 52, US 311, US 220, US 74.   Renumber the Conway Bypass as "ALT US 501".
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on April 08, 2016, 12:28:25 PM
Quote from: I94RoadRunner on April 07, 2016, 01:11:55 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on August 02, 2009, 07:18:55 AM
The powers that be, IMHO, dropped the ball in allowing NC all of this latitude for a project that will never connect up, nor be finished in any meaningful way.  It is confusing to motorists, pointless, and even if completed, there are plenty of places on either "interstate" where the most logical route between two points on the route will not be the route, which should never happen.

This is my humbe solution.

Simply renumber the short section of I-74 from I-77 to US 52 as either "I-177" or "US 152" with signage of "TO US 52" or "TO I-77" beside it.

Instead of I-177, it could also be a longer I-285 when that finally gets signed in NC along US 52

Let the rest simply carry its US route numbers.  All of the rest of both projects is multi-plexed with current US routes.  US 52, US 311, US 220, US 74.   Renumber the Conway Bypass as "ALT US 501".
Or, if they insist on making an Interstate between Mt. Airy and Rockingham at least, they should make it a southern I-79, and the east-west portion I-3x (preferably 32, 34 or 36) as part of an Asheville-Charlotte-Wilmington Interstate. Fictional, I know, but it would make a lot more sense than what we have now.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on April 08, 2016, 08:28:09 PM
Keep in mind that the state nor AASHTO picked the Interstate numbers, that was the U.S. Congress.   :spin:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: I94RoadRunner on April 09, 2016, 03:39:50 PM
Yes and no. It is like I-26 - a 'diagonal' interstate. That is if the interstate in NC EVER gets connected to Cincinnati. Probably not in my lifetime. Come on WV, what is the hold up  :pan:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: I94RoadRunner on April 09, 2016, 03:42:37 PM
Quote from: leifvanderwall on May 07, 2009, 03:10:35 PM
Well, I have a more positive feeling with the I-73/I-74 multiplex; in fact I traveled on it from Greensboro, NC to Ellerbe in 2007. I see what the feds are trying to do, but is US 52 in West Virginia from Huntington to Bluefield so congested that I-73/I-74 have to go through there? I also wonder why Ohio gave up on it. I think US 23 from the Ohio River to Findley, OH should be an interstate corridor. I really think I-73 should be on the US 29 corridor from Greensboro to Washington as a good alternate to I-95. Has the NCDOT decided on what to do with US 74?

I-83 was once considered for the US 29 corridor from Greensboro to Baltimore.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on April 09, 2016, 04:40:48 PM
Quote from: I94RoadRunner on April 09, 2016, 03:42:37 PM
I-83 was once considered for the US 29 corridor from Greensboro to Baltimore.
Was it? Or was that just one guy's proposal?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on April 09, 2016, 09:07:15 PM
Quote from: NE2 on April 09, 2016, 04:40:48 PM
Quote from: I94RoadRunner on April 09, 2016, 03:42:37 PM
I-83 was once considered for the US 29 corridor from Greensboro to Baltimore.
Was it? Or was that just one guy's proposal?

It was just a guy who posted to MTR on an annual basis that 83 should follow that route.  I think he did a webpage at one point.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on April 11, 2016, 11:24:00 AM
Yes, he did:
http://i-83ext.freehomepage.com

(Sorry, that page is down, apparently.)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on April 11, 2016, 12:58:27 PM
The most comprehensive study regarding improving the entirety of US 29 from NC to I-66 was done in 2009 and as far as I can tell they do not even float the idea of turning it into an interstate/freeway:
http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/lynchburg/route_29_corridor_study.asp

They even rejected two potential projects that would have been beneficial to an interstate upgrade in this document (road from I-64 near SR 616) north to Gordonsville then following US 15 corridor back to Culpeper and also a bypass of Buckland where a road from roughly VA 215 jct would go straight north to I-66:  http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/Culpeper/Route_29/Addendum-Route_29_Corridor_Study1.pdf


Mike
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on April 11, 2016, 06:57:08 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on April 11, 2016, 12:58:27 PM
The most comprehensive study regarding improving the entirety of US 29 from NC to I-66 was done in 2009 and as far as I can tell they do not even float the idea of turning it into an interstate/freeway:
http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/lynchburg/route_29_corridor_study.asp

They even rejected two potential projects that would have been beneficial to an interstate upgrade in this document (road from I-64 near SR 616) north to Gordonsville then following US 15 corridor back to Culpeper and also a bypass of Buckland where a road from roughly VA 215 jct would go straight north to I-66:  http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/Culpeper/Route_29/Addendum-Route_29_Corridor_Study1.pdf

Mike
Thanks for this link; I hadn't seen this report before. It's interesting that it does call for continuous freeway from Danville past Lynchburg to Amherst. This could conceivably be an extended I-785. However, given the reluctance of Virginia to build I-73 from Martinsville to Roanoke, no one should expect them to build that interstate plus a parallel freeway along US 29 anytime in the next several decades.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on April 11, 2016, 08:34:53 PM
Quote from: Henry on April 11, 2016, 11:24:00 AM
Yes, he did:
http://i-83ext.freehomepage.com

(Sorry, that page is down, apparently.)

Why does it not surprise me that you most likely had bookmarked that page. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on April 12, 2016, 12:13:12 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on April 11, 2016, 06:57:08 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on April 11, 2016, 12:58:27 PM
The most comprehensive study regarding improving the entirety of US 29 from NC to I-66 was done in 2009 and as far as I can tell they do not even float the idea of turning it into an interstate/freeway:
http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/lynchburg/route_29_corridor_study.asp

They even rejected two potential projects that would have been beneficial to an interstate upgrade in this document (road from I-64 near SR 616) north to Gordonsville then following US 15 corridor back to Culpeper and also a bypass of Buckland where a road from roughly VA 215 jct would go straight north to I-66:  http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/Culpeper/Route_29/Addendum-Route_29_Corridor_Study1.pdf

Mike
Thanks for this link; I hadn't seen this report before. It's interesting that it does call for continuous freeway from Danville past Lynchburg to Amherst. This could conceivably be an extended I-785. However, given the reluctance of Virginia to build I-73 from Martinsville to Roanoke, no one should expect them to build that interstate plus a parallel freeway along US 29 anytime in the next several decades.
The separate freeway sections are already in place, so it wouldn't exactly be too farfetched to build new connections where needed. As VA has apparently joined the No I-73 bandwagon, I think that it's safe to say it's dead outside the Carolinas. True, it may be east of I-77, but at least it's more tolerable than I-99 further north.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: briantroutman on April 12, 2016, 12:36:59 PM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on April 11, 2016, 08:34:53 PM
Quote from: Henry on April 11, 2016, 11:24:00 AM
Yes, he did:
http://i-83ext.freehomepage.com

(Sorry, that page is down, apparently.)

Why does it not surprise me that you most likely had bookmarked that page.

It is on the Internet Archive, however:
https://web.archive.org/web/20010802231110/http://www.i-83ext.freehomepage.com/interstate83.html
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on April 12, 2016, 08:51:18 PM
Quote from: Henry on April 12, 2016, 12:13:12 PM
The separate freeway sections are already in place, so it wouldn't exactly be too farfetched to build new connections where needed. As VA has apparently joined the No I-73 bandwagon, I think that it's safe to say it's dead outside the Carolinas. True, it may be east of I-77, but at least it's more tolerable than I-99 further north.

Having no funds to build I-73 doesn't mean they are not in the bandwagon.  They are basically in the same boat as South Carolina, crazy about I-73 but don't want to pay for it. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 20, 2016, 10:51:38 PM
I have updated my I-74 Segment 4 page with several photos taken of construction of the future Business 40/Winston-Salem Outer Beltway interchange. Photos are here:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 04, 2016, 11:24:15 PM
Thanks to MazdaStrider, here is one of the new BGSs placed along Bryan Blvd. in anticipation of the completion of I-73 north of Greensboro later this year:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gribblenation.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg4ms516a.JPG&hash=c2d925942a3ac40654dd51547d5ef57639b93c4f)

Another photo of the new PTI Airport exit sign with its future I-73 exit number is available on my I-73 Segment 4 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)

Based on sign plans given to MazdaStrider here are the future I-73 exit numbers from the PTI Airport exit north:
Exit 110 NC 68 South High Point
Exit 111 NC 68 North Oak Ridge
Exit 116 NC 150 Summerfield
Exit 119 US 220 South Greensboro
Exit 120 US 158 Stokesdale, Reidsville
Exit 122 NC 65 to NC 68 South
Exit 123 NC 68 South
I have updated my I-73 Exit List with this information.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 06, 2016, 01:16:42 AM
Hopefully this weekend,  I will get to drive around I-73 corridor and take pictures. I cannot wait to drive on I-73 once the connector from I-840 to NC 68 is completed this year.

Also, I forgot to mention that in Rockingham, NC area where they are upgrading that section of US 220, I remember looking at one of their MPO TIP for US 220 Rockingham Bypass, and there are exit lists proposed for that section:

Exit 22- US 220 South, Rockingham
Exit 20- Cartledge Creek Rd.
Exit 17- Blewitt Falls Rd.
Exit 15- US 74 West/Business US 74 East- Charlotte, Rockingham

I bet that other states realize how serious NCDOT is about building and extending I-73, they probably will finally do something about it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 06, 2016, 06:13:03 AM
Quote from: Strider on May 06, 2016, 01:16:42 AM
I bet that other states realize how serious NCDOT is about building and extending I-73, they probably will finally do something about it.

I doubt that.  The town of Blacksburg cannot even convince VDOT to put an interchange on US 460 at the north end of the Blacksburg Bypass (http://www.roanoke.com/news/local/blacksburg/dangerous-intersection-with-u-s-needs-another-look-edwards-says/article_cba265f9-f002-58dd-9807-76d9d7f475ac.html).  (Note that VDOT still has not figured out the exact plan to get to Roanoke, if I remember correctly)

That is not even considering the cost of upgrading US 460 to interstate standards through Narrows, plus the planned Tolsia Highway and King Coal Highway along US 52 in WV is planned to have at-grade intersections.  (as others on the forum have mentioned before) 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on May 06, 2016, 08:09:04 AM
Quote from: Strider on May 06, 2016, 01:16:42 AM
Hopefully this weekend,  I will get to drive around I-73 corridor and take pictures. I cannot wait to drive on I-73 once the connector from I-840 to NC 68 is completed this year.

Also, I forgot to mention that in Rockingham, NC area where they are upgrading that section of US 220, I remember looking at one of their MPO TIP for US 220 Rockingham Bypass, and there are exit lists proposed for that section:

Exit 22- US 220 South, Rockingham
Exit 20- Cartledge Creek Rd.
Exit 17- Blewitt Falls Rd.
Exit 15- US 74 West/Business US 74 East- Charlotte, Rockingham

I bet that other states realize how serious NCDOT is about building and extending I-73, they probably will finally do something about it.
Quote from: 74/171FAN on May 06, 2016, 06:13:03 AM
Quote from: Strider on May 06, 2016, 01:16:42 AM
I bet that other states realize how serious NCDOT is about building and extending I-73, they probably will finally do something about it.

I doubt that.  The town of Blacksburg cannot even convince VDOT to put an interchange on US 460 at the north end of the Blacksburg Bypass (http://www.roanoke.com/news/local/blacksburg/dangerous-intersection-with-u-s-needs-another-look-edwards-says/article_cba265f9-f002-58dd-9807-76d9d7f475ac.html).  (Note that VDOT still has not figured out the exact plan to get to Roanoke, if I remember correctly)

That is not even considering the cost of upgrading US 460 to interstate standards through Narrows, plus the planned Tolsia Highway and King Coal Highway along US 52 in WV is planned to have at-grade intersections.  (as others on the forum have mentioned before) 

Though I agree it will be decades for Virginia and elsewhere - however, if you read mtr posts from 15 years ago - no one thought I-69 would get done in Indiana along with other Interstate or even ARC (Corridor H) projects.  Political influence and overall needs change - for the good and bad.  I do think that in time 73 will at least make it from 81 to Myrtle Beach and 74 from Mount Airy to Myrtle Beack.  After that - i'll most likely be dead.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: SP Cook on May 06, 2016, 10:04:07 AM
The idea that OH, which has perfectly fine non-interstate four lanes that are where this 73 and 74 are supposed to be; or WV, which is flat broke and which would have to build 168 miles of interstate through the most mountainous and, frankly economic development potential free, places east of the Mississippi, all to save a whopping FOUR MILES in distance over the current existing 64 and 77 between 64 Exit 1 and 77 Exit 1, simply because NC is building roads which (mis) use the same numbers is not realistic. 

OH is happy as is.  WV will probably build a connector to the Prichard Intermodal facility and whatever the coal companies are willing to do with their current Tolsia deal and leave it at that.  Really it serves no purpose south of Prichard in WV whatsoever, WV has other (mostly equally quixotic) irons in the fire, and is just flat broke.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MazdaStrider on May 06, 2016, 11:12:42 AM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on May 06, 2016, 06:13:03 AM
Quote from: Strider on May 06, 2016, 01:16:42 AM
I bet that other states realize how serious NCDOT is about building and extending I-73, they probably will finally do something about it.

I doubt that.  The town of Blacksburg cannot even convince VDOT to put an interchange on US 460 at the north end of the Blacksburg Bypass (http://www.roanoke.com/news/local/blacksburg/dangerous-intersection-with-u-s-needs-another-look-edwards-says/article_cba265f9-f002-58dd-9807-76d9d7f475ac.html).  (Note that VDOT still has not figured out the exact plan to get to Roanoke, if I remember correctly)

That is not even considering the cost of upgrading US 460 to interstate standards through Narrows, plus the planned Tolsia Highway and King Coal Highway along US 52 in WV is planned to have at-grade intersections.  (as others on the forum have mentioned before)



If you are talking about I-73 from the state line to Roanoke, they already have a proposed routing.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on May 06, 2016, 11:29:48 AM
Quote from: SP Cook on May 06, 2016, 10:04:07 AM
The idea that OH, which has perfectly fine non-interstate four lanes that are where this 73 and 74 are supposed to be; or WV, which is flat broke and which would have to build 168 miles of interstate through the most mountainous and, frankly economic development potential free, places east of the Mississippi, all to save a whopping FOUR MILES in distance over the current existing 64 and 77 between 64 Exit 1 and 77 Exit 1, simply because NC is building roads which (mis) use the same numbers is not realistic. 

OH is happy as is.  WV will probably build a connector to the Prichard Intermodal facility and whatever the coal companies are willing to do with their current Tolsia deal and leave it at that.  Really it serves no purpose south of Prichard in WV whatsoever, WV has other (mostly equally quixotic) irons in the fire, and is just flat broke.



Wasn't the 73/74 designations done legislatively?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on May 06, 2016, 04:39:39 PM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on May 06, 2016, 11:29:48 AM
Wasn't the 73/74 designations done legislatively?
Yes, that is correct.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on May 06, 2016, 05:30:07 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on May 06, 2016, 06:13:03 AM
Quote from: Strider on May 06, 2016, 01:16:42 AM
I bet that other states realize how serious NCDOT is about building and extending I-73, they probably will finally do something about it.

I doubt that.  The town of Blacksburg cannot even convince VDOT to put an interchange on US 460 at the north end of the Blacksburg Bypass (http://www.roanoke.com/news/local/blacksburg/dangerous-intersection-with-u-s-needs-another-look-edwards-says/article_cba265f9-f002-58dd-9807-76d9d7f475ac.html).  (Note that VDOT still has not figured out the exact plan to get to Roanoke, if I remember correctly)

That is not even considering the cost of upgrading US 460 to interstate standards through Narrows, plus the planned Tolsia Highway and King Coal Highway along US 52 in WV is planned to have at-grade intersections.  (as others on the forum have mentioned before) 

When VDOT was considering running I-77 along the VA 100 and US 460 corridors to connect to the WV Tpk at Princeton, they had a tunnel planned in the Narrows area, so even then (1960) upgrading directly along 460 was deemed not an easy or cheap choice...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on May 06, 2016, 05:56:39 PM
http://www.journalnow.com/news/local/through-mud-or-dust-work-on-winston-salem-beltway-advances/article_dfb60fcd-ba92-5d4c-bf03-56292ddd487f.html


Good update article on I-74 Winston-Salem
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on May 06, 2016, 05:59:06 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on May 06, 2016, 04:39:39 PM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on May 06, 2016, 11:29:48 AM
Wasn't the 73/74 designations done legislatively?
Yes, that is correct.

So contrary to SP, NC is not mis-using the number I would gather?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 06, 2016, 06:50:24 PM
Quote from: Strider on May 06, 2016, 01:16:42 AMI bet that other states realize how serious NCDOT is about building and extending I-73, they probably will finally do something about it.

I wouldn't count on it. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see I-73 finished from Roanoke to Myrtle Beach. However, there's no political will or support for I-73 in VA except from the city leaders in Roanoke and Martinsville, who have been very vocal about wanting I-73 built, since it would run through some of the most economically depressed areas in the state, especially around Martinsville. Northern VA seems to rule the roost here, so unless there is major political change, I doubt I-73 will ever be built in VA. As far as I-73 in SC goes, I'll believe it when I see it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CobaltYoshi27 on May 06, 2016, 07:01:42 PM
Quote from: LM117 on May 06, 2016, 06:50:24 PM
Quote from: Strider on May 06, 2016, 01:16:42 AMI bet that other states realize how serious NCDOT is about building and extending I-73, they probably will finally do something about it.

I wouldn't count on it. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see I-73 finished from Roanoke to Myrtle Beach. However, there's no political will or support for I-73 in VA except from the city leaders in Roanoke and Martinsville, who have been very vocal about wanting I-73 built, since it would run through some of the most economically depressed areas in the state, especially around Martinsville. Northern VA seems to rule the roost here, so unless there is major political change, I doubt I-73 will ever be built in VA. As far as I-73 in SC goes, I'll believe it when I see it.

It would be nice to see built. Would offer an easy way to get to Myrtle Beach.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on May 06, 2016, 07:09:31 PM
Quote from: CobaltYoshi27 on May 06, 2016, 07:01:42 PM
Quote from: LM117 on May 06, 2016, 06:50:24 PM
Quote from: Strider on May 06, 2016, 01:16:42 AMI bet that other states realize how serious NCDOT is about building and extending I-73, they probably will finally do something about it.

I wouldn't count on it. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see I-73 finished from Roanoke to Myrtle Beach. However, there's no political will or support for I-73 in VA except from the city leaders in Roanoke and Martinsville, who have been very vocal about wanting I-73 built, since it would run through some of the most economically depressed areas in the state, especially around Martinsville. Northern VA seems to rule the roost here, so unless there is major political change, I doubt I-73 will ever be built in VA. As far as I-73 in SC goes, I'll believe it when I see it.

It would be nice to see built. Would offer an easy way to get to Myrtle Beach.

everything is in place - it's just SC politics in the way
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 07, 2016, 01:55:56 AM
Quote from: LM117 on May 06, 2016, 06:50:24 PM
Quote from: Strider on May 06, 2016, 01:16:42 AMI bet that other states realize how serious NCDOT is about building and extending I-73, they probably will finally do something about it.

I wouldn't count on it. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see I-73 finished from Roanoke to Myrtle Beach. However, there's no political will or support for I-73 in VA except from the city leaders in Roanoke and Martinsville, who have been very vocal about wanting I-73 built, since it would run through some of the most economically depressed areas in the state, especially around Martinsville. Northern VA seems to rule the roost here, so unless there is major political change, I doubt I-73 will ever be built in VA. As far as I-73 in SC goes, I'll believe it when I see it.


I-73 will be built. I have put a faith on it. Only from Roanoke to Myrtle Beach even if it takes 20+ years to get it done. Anything else is just a pipe dream.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: SP Cook on May 07, 2016, 07:12:10 AM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on May 06, 2016, 05:59:06 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on May 06, 2016, 04:39:39 PM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on May 06, 2016, 11:29:48 AM
Wasn't the 73/74 designations done legislatively?
Yes, that is correct.

So contrary to SP, NC is not mis-using the number I would gather?

If a legislature calls a tail a leg, a dog still just has four legs.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Tom958 on May 08, 2016, 10:38:36 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on May 04, 2016, 11:24:15 PM
Thanks to MazdaStrider, here is one of the new BGSs placed along Bryan Blvd. in anticipation of the completion of I-73 north of Greensboro later this year:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gribblenation.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg4ms516a.JPG&hash=c2d925942a3ac40654dd51547d5ef57639b93c4f)


I decided to have a closer look at this area today, and I noticed that... originally, the onramp to westbound Bryan Boulevard from Fleming Road was built as a future auxiliary lane which would exit at the future offramp to 840 north. It was striped as an overlong but otherwise typical parallel onramp terminal. Then, just beyond where it ended, the taper for the decel lane for the loop offramp to 73-840 south began:

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1162367,-79.9050861,3a,75y,282.75h,76.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbGT1gOOQk1isQRdfODcTXQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Now, as the above photo shows, the auxiliary lane is being extended to connect to the decel lane, and... an additional auxiliary lane is being built outboard of that! That's why there's an exit only tab on the shrouded sign for the 840 north exit. I suppose there could be a capacity reason for doing this, but I suspect that the main reason is to provide enough room to allow the options to be signed comprehensibly. Wow.

Now I'm really curious as to how far back that extra lane begins.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 08, 2016, 12:13:00 PM
Quote from: Tom958 on May 08, 2016, 10:38:36 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on May 04, 2016, 11:24:15 PM
Thanks to MazdaStrider, here is one of the new BGSs placed along Bryan Blvd. in anticipation of the completion of I-73 north of Greensboro later this year:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gribblenation.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg4ms516a.JPG&hash=c2d925942a3ac40654dd51547d5ef57639b93c4f)


I decided to have a closer look at this area today, and I noticed that... originally, the onramp to westbound Bryan Boulevard from Fleming Road was built as a future auxiliary lane which would exit at the future offramp to 840 north. It was striped as an overlong but otherwise typical parallel onramp terminal. Then, just beyond where it ended, the taper for the decel lane for the loop offramp to 73-840 south began:

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1162367,-79.9050861,3a,75y,282.75h,76.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbGT1gOOQk1isQRdfODcTXQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Now, as the above photo shows, the auxiliary lane is being extended to connect to the decel lane, and... an additional auxiliary lane is being built outboard of that! That's why there's an exit only tab on the shrouded sign for the 840 north exit. I suppose there could be a capacity reason for doing this, but I suspect that the main reason is to provide enough room to allow the options to be signed comprehensibly. Wow.

Now I'm really curious as to how far back that extra lane begins.


According to the signage plans I saw a couple of weeks ago surrounding this interchange, the auxiliary lane for 840 East was to begin when Bryan Blvd curves to meet the current photo you see.

There will be a few modifications made to this interchange just like one you observed.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 09, 2016, 01:03:38 PM
Thanks to Strider, I was able to get hold of images of the new exit signs that will be going up along I-73 north of the PTI Airport. Here's signage related to the 2 NC 68 exits:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gribblenation.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg4signs05.JPG&hash=2e51084e55ff87d67c2754a7bcecddbcebbb4cdf)

All the images are on their appropriate I-73 Segment pages, starting with Segment 2:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on May 10, 2016, 06:36:37 AM
I notice some NC 220 shields on the first image of the segment 2 page...wonder if the contractor will dutifully install them because they're shown that way...?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on May 10, 2016, 10:54:08 AM
I say that was a mistake. Lots of routes get signed with the wrong shields, so I wouldn't be surprised if they put them up.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gribblenation.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg2nc68exitplan.jpg&hash=a61de791b75eccfc7cf352b1e3dd7bdbc605f5d6)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 10, 2016, 10:56:57 AM
Strider was kind enough to forward photos he took of I-73 construction north of Greensboro, and the appearance of this Future I-73 sign on US 220 North:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gribblenation.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg2str516e.jpg&hash=8dc54bf0c11736a622cbfe3fa4614cbb9e7ae633)

All the images are available either on my I-73 Segment 2 and 3:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html) or
Segment 4 pages:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 10, 2016, 11:52:16 AM
Nice to see I-73 coming along. Are there any more projects scheduled for I-73 towards VA or is NCDOT waiting to see if VA is actually going to build their part from the state line to US-58 in Martinsville first before spending any more money on an interstate that won't likely cross state lines anytime soon?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MazdaStrider on May 10, 2016, 02:11:18 PM
Quote from: LM117 on May 10, 2016, 11:52:16 AM
Nice to see I-73 coming along. Are there any more projects scheduled for I-73 towards VA or is NCDOT waiting to see if VA is actually going to build their part from the state line to US-58 in Martinsville first before spending any more money on an interstate that won't likely cross state lines anytime soon?



I believe NCDOT is waiting for VDOT to start something on their part, but they have it listed as under construction after 2025, however.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on May 10, 2016, 03:09:11 PM
Quote from: LM117 on May 10, 2016, 11:52:16 AM
Nice to see I-73 coming along. Are there any more projects scheduled for I-73 towards VA or is NCDOT waiting to see if VA is actually going to build their part from the state line to US-58 in Martinsville first before spending any more money on an interstate that won't likely cross state lines anytime soon?

The current STIP has a bridge replacement over Norfolk-Southern Railway in 2018 (#B-5352) and an interchange widening at US 311/NC 135 in 2022 (#I-5898). 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 10, 2016, 07:22:27 PM
Thanks for the info, guys. So, once the new terrain I-73 opens from Bryan Blvd. to US-220 north of Greensboro, the rest of the corridor to VA is just upgrading US-220, correct? Also, I found the latest (dated 2012) I-73 VA corridor map for anybody interested. Apologies in advance if this has already been posted.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.virginiadot.org%2Fprojects%2Fresources%2FSalem%2FI-73_Map_December_2012.jpg&hash=413877ee01be3df672b23b5ffb2b9af5d556ded2)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on May 10, 2016, 07:27:27 PM
Quote from: LM117 on May 10, 2016, 07:22:27 PM
Thanks for the info, guys. So, once the new terrain I-73 opens from Bryan Blvd. to US-220 north of Greensboro, the rest of the corridor to VA is just upgrading US-220, correct? Also, I found the latest (dated 2012) I-73 VA corridor map for anybody interested. Apologies in advance if this has already been posted.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.virginiadot.org%2Fprojects%2Fresources%2FSalem%2FI-73_Map_December_2012.jpg&hash=413877ee01be3df672b23b5ffb2b9af5d556ded2)

Pretty much yes - and as Mark suggested - the upgrades will be piecemeal for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on May 10, 2016, 10:19:52 PM
So...a little of Virginia's I-73 is open (perhaps not up to interstate standards) on the Martinsville bypass. Plus, of course, the I-581/US 220 freeway through Roanoke.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 10, 2016, 10:42:15 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on May 10, 2016, 10:19:52 PM
So...a little of Virginia's I-73 is open (perhaps not up to interstate standards) on the Martinsville bypass. Plus, of course, the I-581/US 220 freeway through Roanoke.


Yeah you are correct, a little of Virginia's I-73 is open from what you just mentioned. So VA only have to construct I-73 from NC line to US 58 bypass, and then from US 58 bypass to where I-581/US 220 freeway begins.

I just looked at Google Maps, the Martinsville Bypass (the US 58 section east of the town) is not up to interstate standards, so they're going to have to upgrade that section.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on May 11, 2016, 07:02:51 AM
"So VA only has to build..."

The Oct 2012 cost estimate for building I-73 from Roanoke to NC was $4 billion...

Virginia's FY 2016 budget for VDOT is $5.3 billion.  So unless Congress drops a ton of gold bricks on this project, Virginia won't be getting around to this very soon based on its actual need for this highway versus pressing needs statewide, such as getting around to replacing literally hundreds of bridges that are 70+ years old. 

My guess is that VDOT might build the piece from NC to US 58 first once NC gets I-73 closer to Virginia, although 2015 AADT of US 220 south of the Martinsville Bypass tops out at just 19k.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on May 11, 2016, 09:04:48 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 11, 2016, 07:02:51 AM
"So VA only has to build..."

The Oct 2012 cost estimate for building I-73 from Roanoke to NC was $4 billion...

Virginia's FY 2016 budget for VDOT is $5.3 billion.  So unless Congress drops a ton of gold bricks on this project, Virginia won't be getting around to this very soon based on its actual need for this highway versus pressing needs statewide, such as getting around to replacing literally hundreds of bridges that are 70+ years old. 

My guess is that VDOT might build the piece from NC to US 58 first once NC gets I-73 closer to Virginia, although 2015 AADT of US 220 south of the Martinsville Bypass tops out at just 19k.

That's the problem with both Virginia and South Carolina, they know the price tag for the whole project and it frightens them from actually building it.  They should take notes from North Carolina, who has broken up the project into many smaller projects that suddenly become stretches of interstate.  Virginia could start with the state line to Martinsville and get the ball rolling.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 11, 2016, 11:27:55 AM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on May 11, 2016, 09:04:48 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 11, 2016, 07:02:51 AM
"So VA only has to build..."

The Oct 2012 cost estimate for building I-73 from Roanoke to NC was $4 billion...

Virginia's FY 2016 budget for VDOT is $5.3 billion.  So unless Congress drops a ton of gold bricks on this project, Virginia won't be getting around to this very soon based on its actual need for this highway versus pressing needs statewide, such as getting around to replacing literally hundreds of bridges that are 70+ years old. 

My guess is that VDOT might build the piece from NC to US 58 first once NC gets I-73 closer to Virginia, although 2015 AADT of US 220 south of the Martinsville Bypass tops out at just 19k.

That's the problem with both Virginia and South Carolina, they know the price tag for the whole project and it frightens them from actually building it.  They should take notes from North Carolina, who has broken up the project into many smaller projects that suddenly become stretches of interstate.  Virginia could start with the state line to Martinsville and get the ball rolling.

Well, here's the latest news I could find about I-73 in VA. I'll be surprised if VDOT even breaks ground within the next 10 years.

http://www.martinsvillebulletin.com/news/i--project-s-scoring-called-into-question/article_4f684cde-7dea-11e5-9419-5bfe63f88816.html (http://www.martinsvillebulletin.com/news/i--project-s-scoring-called-into-question/article_4f684cde-7dea-11e5-9419-5bfe63f88816.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MazdaStrider on May 11, 2016, 12:31:29 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on May 11, 2016, 09:04:48 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 11, 2016, 07:02:51 AM
"So VA only has to build..."

The Oct 2012 cost estimate for building I-73 from Roanoke to NC was $4 billion...

Virginia's FY 2016 budget for VDOT is $5.3 billion.  So unless Congress drops a ton of gold bricks on this project, Virginia won't be getting around to this very soon based on its actual need for this highway versus pressing needs statewide, such as getting around to replacing literally hundreds of bridges that are 70+ years old. 

My guess is that VDOT might build the piece from NC to US 58 first once NC gets I-73 closer to Virginia, although 2015 AADT of US 220 south of the Martinsville Bypass tops out at just 19k.

That's the problem with both Virginia and South Carolina, they know the price tag for the whole project and it frightens them from actually building it.  They should take notes from North Carolina, who has broken up the project into many smaller projects that suddenly become stretches of interstate.  Virginia could start with the state line to Martinsville and get the ball rolling.


Agreed. instead of having to build the whole thing, they can break up the project in many smaller projects. That would have made sense. Didn't SC already have a smaller project from I-95 to US 501 to be constructed first? if so, what happened to that?

I always believe that SCDOT should build I-73 from NC line to I-95 first to ensure a connection to a major interstate.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on May 11, 2016, 12:57:18 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on May 11, 2016, 09:04:48 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 11, 2016, 07:02:51 AM
"So VA only has to build..."

The Oct 2012 cost estimate for building I-73 from Roanoke to NC was $4 billion...

Virginia's FY 2016 budget for VDOT is $5.3 billion.  So unless Congress drops a ton of gold bricks on this project, Virginia won't be getting around to this very soon based on its actual need for this highway versus pressing needs statewide, such as getting around to replacing literally hundreds of bridges that are 70+ years old. 

My guess is that VDOT might build the piece from NC to US 58 first once NC gets I-73 closer to Virginia, although 2015 AADT of US 220 south of the Martinsville Bypass tops out at just 19k.

That's the problem with both Virginia and South Carolina, they know the price tag for the whole project and it frightens them from actually building it.  They should take notes from North Carolina, who has broken up the project into many smaller projects that suddenly become stretches of interstate.  Virginia could start with the state line to Martinsville and get the ball rolling.
Or maybe North Carolina can stop spamming unneeded interstates.  They're the ONLY state that cares about either I-73 or I-74, which tells me that those roads are nothing more than wasteful pork.  They can always use US and state route numbers for their freeways if they honestly feel the need to build that many.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on May 11, 2016, 01:08:19 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 11, 2016, 12:57:18 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on May 11, 2016, 09:04:48 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 11, 2016, 07:02:51 AM
"So VA only has to build..."

The Oct 2012 cost estimate for building I-73 from Roanoke to NC was $4 billion...

Virginia's FY 2016 budget for VDOT is $5.3 billion.  So unless Congress drops a ton of gold bricks on this project, Virginia won't be getting around to this very soon based on its actual need for this highway versus pressing needs statewide, such as getting around to replacing literally hundreds of bridges that are 70+ years old. 

My guess is that VDOT might build the piece from NC to US 58 first once NC gets I-73 closer to Virginia, although 2015 AADT of US 220 south of the Martinsville Bypass tops out at just 19k.

That's the problem with both Virginia and South Carolina, they know the price tag for the whole project and it frightens them from actually building it.  They should take notes from North Carolina, who has broken up the project into many smaller projects that suddenly become stretches of interstate.  Virginia could start with the state line to Martinsville and get the ball rolling.
Or maybe North Carolina can stop spamming unneeded interstates.  They're the ONLY state that cares about either I-73 or I-74, which tells me that those roads are nothing more than wasteful pork.  They can always use US and state route numbers for their freeways if they honestly feel the need to build that many.

If the road meets interstate standards and can be added/bolted on to the network - why not?  Reasons like above: read: "wah, I don't like it"

Please give me a reason why a road that meets or will meet standards and connects to the network should not be part of the Interstate system.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on May 11, 2016, 01:09:24 PM
Quote from: MazdaStrider on May 11, 2016, 12:31:29 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on May 11, 2016, 09:04:48 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 11, 2016, 07:02:51 AM
"So VA only has to build..."

The Oct 2012 cost estimate for building I-73 from Roanoke to NC was $4 billion...

Virginia's FY 2016 budget for VDOT is $5.3 billion.  So unless Congress drops a ton of gold bricks on this project, Virginia won't be getting around to this very soon based on its actual need for this highway versus pressing needs statewide, such as getting around to replacing literally hundreds of bridges that are 70+ years old. 

My guess is that VDOT might build the piece from NC to US 58 first once NC gets I-73 closer to Virginia, although 2015 AADT of US 220 south of the Martinsville Bypass tops out at just 19k.

That's the problem with both Virginia and South Carolina, they know the price tag for the whole project and it frightens them from actually building it.  They should take notes from North Carolina, who has broken up the project into many smaller projects that suddenly become stretches of interstate.  Virginia could start with the state line to Martinsville and get the ball rolling.


Agreed. instead of having to build the whole thing, they can break up the project in many smaller projects. That would have made sense. Didn't SC already have a smaller project from I-95 to US 501 to be constructed first? if so, what happened to that?

I always believe that SCDOT should build I-73 from NC line to I-95 first to ensure a connection to a major interstate.
Quote from: WashuOtaku on May 11, 2016, 09:04:48 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 11, 2016, 07:02:51 AM
"So VA only has to build..."

The Oct 2012 cost estimate for building I-73 from Roanoke to NC was $4 billion...

Virginia's FY 2016 budget for VDOT is $5.3 billion.  So unless Congress drops a ton of gold bricks on this project, Virginia won't be getting around to this very soon based on its actual need for this highway versus pressing needs statewide, such as getting around to replacing literally hundreds of bridges that are 70+ years old. 

My guess is that VDOT might build the piece from NC to US 58 first once NC gets I-73 closer to Virginia, although 2015 AADT of US 220 south of the Martinsville Bypass tops out at just 19k.

That's the problem with both Virginia and South Carolina, they know the price tag for the whole project and it frightens them from actually building it.  They should take notes from North Carolina, who has broken up the project into many smaller projects that suddenly become stretches of interstate.  Virginia could start with the state line to Martinsville and get the ball rolling.

Best way to eat an elephant? One small bite at a time
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on May 11, 2016, 01:14:52 PM
Quote from: MazdaStrider on May 11, 2016, 12:31:29 PM


Agreed. instead of having to build the whole thing, they can break up the project in many smaller projects. That would have made sense. Didn't SC already have a smaller project from I-95 to US 501 to be constructed first? if so, what happened to that?

I always believe that SCDOT should build I-73 from NC line to I-95 first to ensure a connection to a major interstate.

Virginia does do this...for projects that have some priority such as upgrading US 58 across the bottom of Virginia, which will have taken about 30 years after they first started doing it as a specific goal.  Virginia spent nearly 20 years not investing in any highway infrastructure once they 4-laned a lot of the US routes in the 70s-80s.  They got to the point where the budget wasn't even enough to keep up with maintenance of existing stuff.

The 2016 budget is a 20% increase over 2015 so that maybe some real improvements can be made on stuff.  But they have to prioritize based on need.  I-73 is a nice-to-have but not a got-to-have when compared to stuff needed in Hampton Roads and Northern Virginia.

I see that NCDOT's budget is substantially less than VDOT's now.  How does NCDOT get the $ to steadily build these new freeway segments?  Does it come at the expense of doing almost nothing else?  Does it come through substantial borrowing?

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on May 11, 2016, 01:59:04 PM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on May 11, 2016, 01:08:19 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 11, 2016, 12:57:18 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on May 11, 2016, 09:04:48 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 11, 2016, 07:02:51 AM
"So VA only has to build..."

The Oct 2012 cost estimate for building I-73 from Roanoke to NC was $4 billion...

Virginia's FY 2016 budget for VDOT is $5.3 billion.  So unless Congress drops a ton of gold bricks on this project, Virginia won't be getting around to this very soon based on its actual need for this highway versus pressing needs statewide, such as getting around to replacing literally hundreds of bridges that are 70+ years old. 

My guess is that VDOT might build the piece from NC to US 58 first once NC gets I-73 closer to Virginia, although 2015 AADT of US 220 south of the Martinsville Bypass tops out at just 19k.

That's the problem with both Virginia and South Carolina, they know the price tag for the whole project and it frightens them from actually building it.  They should take notes from North Carolina, who has broken up the project into many smaller projects that suddenly become stretches of interstate.  Virginia could start with the state line to Martinsville and get the ball rolling.
Or maybe North Carolina can stop spamming unneeded interstates.  They're the ONLY state that cares about either I-73 or I-74, which tells me that those roads are nothing more than wasteful pork.  They can always use US and state route numbers for their freeways if they honestly feel the need to build that many.

If the road meets interstate standards and can be added/bolted on to the network - why not?  Reasons like above: read: "wah, I don't like it"

Please give me a reason why a road that meets or will meet standards and connects to the network should not be part of the Interstate system.
They should also be a logical addition, which to me would be connecting an area that currently is not (3di) or serving a major corridor that was left out and is a "hole" in the system (2di or 3di, depending on length).

An interstate isn't just a route that happens to meet some standards and have a certain shield.  It's a component in a larger, grander, and (ideally) orderly system of roadways efficiently forming the backbone of car/truck transportation in this country.  Also, I ABHOR duplicating 2dis; I consider the existing ones to be abominations and hate attempts to make more, so I-74 rubs me the wrong way.  I-73 I don't care as much about, but the portions that don't overlap I-74 are small enough to be 3dis (plus the proposed overlap with I-75 to Canada makes me want to throw up).  Heck, there are even proposed routes serving corridors that already have a SHORTER existing route (ever hear of Continental 1?).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on May 11, 2016, 02:03:39 PM
Let me get this straight you dislike duplication and want to adhere to the grid?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on May 11, 2016, 02:12:00 PM
I never said anything about the grid (the complaint about the I-73/I-75 overlap is because I hate useless overlaps), though I do prefer to preserve the spirit of it, but don't care about minor bends where needed (no to I-3 in Georgia, but yes to I-99 if it ever gets built in full; if not, decommission, or renumber as a 3di if either the interchange at I-76 or I-80 is ever redone), but yes, I DESPISE 2di duplication.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 11, 2016, 03:18:36 PM
Quote from: MazdaStrider on May 11, 2016, 12:31:29 PMDidn't SC already have a smaller project from I-95 to US 501 to be constructed first? if so, what happened to that?

Politics happened. 

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/politics/2016/02/18/senator-throws-monkey-wrench--73/80548832/ (http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/politics/2016/02/18/senator-throws-monkey-wrench--73/80548832/)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 11, 2016, 03:30:46 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 11, 2016, 12:57:18 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on May 11, 2016, 09:04:48 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 11, 2016, 07:02:51 AM
"So VA only has to build..."

The Oct 2012 cost estimate for building I-73 from Roanoke to NC was $4 billion...

Virginia's FY 2016 budget for VDOT is $5.3 billion.  So unless Congress drops a ton of gold bricks on this project, Virginia won't be getting around to this very soon based on its actual need for this highway versus pressing needs statewide, such as getting around to replacing literally hundreds of bridges that are 70+ years old. 

My guess is that VDOT might build the piece from NC to US 58 first once NC gets I-73 closer to Virginia, although 2015 AADT of US 220 south of the Martinsville Bypass tops out at just 19k.

That's the problem with both Virginia and South Carolina, they know the price tag for the whole project and it frightens them from actually building it.  They should take notes from North Carolina, who has broken up the project into many smaller projects that suddenly become stretches of interstate.  Virginia could start with the state line to Martinsville and get the ball rolling.
Or maybe North Carolina can stop spamming unneeded interstates.  They're the ONLY state that cares about either I-73 or I-74, which tells me that those roads are nothing more than wasteful pork.  They can always use US and state route numbers for their freeways if they honestly feel the need to build that many.


Wrong. NC is not the only state. VA and SC does. (politics delayed the construction in VA and SC due to no money). Get your facts right.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Jmiles32 on May 11, 2016, 03:39:24 PM
Regarding I-73 I can understand why VA has broken ground yet as it is 4 billion to build ONLY up to Roanoke. Widening I-81 and 220 would be just as beneficial and a lot cheaper. As for SC,  I-73 would finally be an intereste connection to Myrtle Beach which SC desperately needs so honestly not really sure why this road isn't already built there. Get on it SC!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 11, 2016, 05:52:18 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 11, 2016, 01:14:52 PM
Quote from: MazdaStrider on May 11, 2016, 12:31:29 PM


Agreed. instead of having to build the whole thing, they can break up the project in many smaller projects. That would have made sense. Didn't SC already have a smaller project from I-95 to US 501 to be constructed first? if so, what happened to that?

I always believe that SCDOT should build I-73 from NC line to I-95 first to ensure a connection to a major interstate.

Virginia does do this...for projects that have some priority such as upgrading US 58 across the bottom of Virginia, which will have taken about 30 years after they first started doing it as a specific goal.  Virginia spent nearly 20 years not investing in any highway infrastructure once they 4-laned a lot of the US routes in the 70s-80s.  They got to the point where the budget wasn't even enough to keep up with maintenance of existing stuff.

The 2016 budget is a 20% increase over 2015 so that maybe some real improvements can be made on stuff.  But they have to prioritize based on need.  I-73 is a nice-to-have but not a got-to-have when compared to stuff needed in Hampton Roads and Northern Virginia.

I see that NCDOT's budget is substantially less than VDOT's now.  How does NCDOT get the $ to steadily build these new freeway segments?  Does it come at the expense of doing almost nothing else?  Does it come through substantial borrowing?

That is a super-interesting question.  I had an internship for NCDOT in 2013, and I remember that south of Raleigh and Garner there were many two-lane roads (NC 55 and US 401 being the major exceptions) that seemed to be super-congested (mostly where NC 540 has not been built).  (I was temporarily living on NC 50 just north of NC 42, and traffic on NC 50 coming home was brutal coming south of Garner.  (the congestion on I-40 from I-440/US 64 (Exit 301) to the US 70/Fut I-36? Clayton Bypass (Exit 309) did not help for the record.)

Quote from: vdeane on May 11, 2016, 02:12:00 PM
I never said anything about the grid (the complaint about the I-73/I-75 overlap is because I hate useless overlaps), though I do prefer to preserve the spirit of it, but don't care about minor bends where needed (no to I-3 in Georgia, but yes to I-99 if it ever gets built in full; if not, decommission, or renumber as a 3di if either the interchange at I-76 or I-80 is ever redone), but yes, I DESPISE 2di duplication.

I think that more states should follow Maryland's example with leaving I-595 unsigned, but I think the real problem here is that politicians seem to falsely believe that the interstate shield itself automatically brings economic development and gets people and truckers to drive the interstate over other routes.  (where in the case of Future I-89 those that completely follow the GPS would most likely still use I-95 to US 58 (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Raleigh,+NC/Norfolk,+VA/@36.3077187,-78.0233606,9z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x89ac5a2f9f51e0f7:0x6790b6528a11f0ad!2m2!1d-78.6381787!2d35.7795897!1m5!1m1!1s0x89ba973a5322ca45:0xab99107fce7a1e0a!2m2!1d-76.2858726!2d36.8507689!3e0) from Rocky Mount to Norfolk instead of US 64 and US 17 (Fut I-89?) (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Raleigh,+NC/Norfolk,+VA/@35.8520652,-77.5749952,9z/data=!4m19!4m18!1m10!1m1!1s0x89ac5a2f9f51e0f7:0x6790b6528a11f0ad!2m2!1d-78.6381787!2d35.7795897!3m4!1m2!1d-77.0577818!2d35.8284376!3s0x89af0687139ecf43:0x1dad0f4f3ce56c13!1m5!1m1!1s0x89ba973a5322ca45:0xab99107fce7a1e0a!2m2!1d-76.2858726!2d36.8507689!3e0)).  I also remember Google maps stating that Greensboro to Blacksburg (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Greensboro,+NC/Blacksburg,+VA/@36.6889761,-80.9149031,9z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x8853193f38c77b79:0x93b9c49478be12c8!2m2!1d-79.7919754!2d36.0726354!1m5!1m1!1s0x884d950adc06dcc3:0x86ceb8ea4842da2d!2m2!1d-80.4139393!2d37.2295733!3e0) was faster via Winston-Salem and Mt Airy (I-40 to US 52/Fut I-74 to I-74 to I-77 to I-81 to US 460) than Roanoke (US 220/Fut I-73 to I-81). This of course only applies if I-73 gets to Blacksburg but that is beside the point.  (note that when I put this in during rush hour affecting the times which is why VA 8 may be shown as the fastest)

Of course, I would not say I am against new interstates necessarily either, but I do agree with Valerie that the value of the interstate system is being diluted.  (similar to having the first round of the NBA playoffs, expansion of the MLB and NFL Playoffs, all which make the regular season less important in the grand scheme of things)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on May 11, 2016, 06:14:58 PM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on May 11, 2016, 03:39:24 PM
Regarding I-73 I can understand why VA has broken ground yet as it is 4 billion to build ONLY up to Roanoke. Widening I-81 and 220 would be just as beneficial and a lot cheaper. As for SC,  I-73 would finally be an intereste connection to Myrtle Beach which SC desperately needs so honestly not really sure why this road isn't already built there. Get on it SC!
That connection strikes me as being more logically an extension of I-20.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 11, 2016, 06:33:23 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on May 11, 2016, 05:52:18 PM(where in the case of Future I-89 those that completely follow the GPS would most likely still use I-95 to US 58 (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Raleigh,+NC/Norfolk,+VA/@36.3077187,-78.0233606,9z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x89ac5a2f9f51e0f7:0x6790b6528a11f0ad!2m2!1d-78.6381787!2d35.7795897!1m5!1m1!1s0x89ba973a5322ca45:0xab99107fce7a1e0a!2m2!1d-76.2858726!2d36.8507689!3e0) from Rocky Mount to Norfolk instead of US 64 and US 17 (Fut I-89?) (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Raleigh,+NC/Norfolk,+VA/@35.8520652,-77.5749952,9z/data=!4m19!4m18!1m10!1m1!1s0x89ac5a2f9f51e0f7:0x6790b6528a11f0ad!2m2!1d-78.6381787!2d35.7795897!3m4!1m2!1d-77.0577818!2d35.8284376!3s0x89af0687139ecf43:0x1dad0f4f3ce56c13!1m5!1m1!1s0x89ba973a5322ca45:0xab99107fce7a1e0a!2m2!1d-76.2858726!2d36.8507689!3e0)).

Yeah, but the Future I-89 route avoids the US-58 speed traps.  :spin:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on May 11, 2016, 07:20:16 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 11, 2016, 12:57:18 PM
Or maybe North Carolina can stop spamming unneeded interstates.  They're the ONLY state that cares about either I-73 or I-74, which tells me that those roads are nothing more than wasteful pork.  They can always use US and state route numbers for their freeways if they honestly feel the need to build that many.

North Carolina has spent a great many years and a great many dollars developing a freeway system that reaches every part of the state. These freeways certainly aren't "unneeded." I-73 and I-74 are important parts of this system, addressing the central and southeastern parts of the state. Furthermore, they aren't abstract lines on the map (like a lot of I-69), they are real roads that are being built and will be completed. The proposed I-36 and I-89 similarly address the eastern and northeastern parts of the state. I-36 is being built, and a large part of I-89 is already built although it needs some upgrading to full interstate standards.

It would be great to have a national study identifying the gaps in the interstate system, but it wouldn't be of much use unless Congress was willing to put some new funds into filling those gaps. Failing that, states are largely on their own to plan and build improvements to the system. Some states don't want to make any expansion, and some do (Kentucky, Arkansas,...). IMHO the ones that do shouldn't pay any attention to criticism from the ones that don't. Keep building.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Jmiles32 on May 11, 2016, 07:48:26 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on May 11, 2016, 07:20:16 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 11, 2016, 12:57:18 PM
Or maybe North Carolina can stop spamming unneeded interstates.  They're the ONLY state that cares about either I-73 or I-74, which tells me that those roads are nothing more than wasteful pork.  They can always use US and state route numbers for their freeways if they honestly feel the need to build that many.

North Carolina has spent a great many years and a great many dollars developing a freeway system that reaches every part of the state. These freeways certainly aren't "unneeded." I-73 and I-74 are important parts of this system, addressing the central and southeastern parts of the state. Furthermore, they aren't abstract lines on the map (like a lot of I-69), they are real roads that are being built and will be completed. The proposed I-36 and I-89 similarly address the eastern and northeastern parts of the state. I-36 is being built, and a large part of I-89 is already built although it needs some upgrading to full interstate standards.

It would be great to have a national study identifying the gaps in the interstate system, but it wouldn't be of much use unless Congress was willing to put some new funds into filling those gaps. Failing that, states are largely on their own to plan and build improvements to the system. Some states don't want to make any expansion, and some do (Kentucky, Arkansas,...). IMHO the ones that do shouldn't pay any attention to criticism from the ones that don't. Keep building.


Yes but it is equally as important to actually finish these new interstates, not just saying your going to build them to trick businesses into locating in the economically depressed areas of your state.
Believe me I am all for new interstates, but let's actually finish them.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on May 11, 2016, 08:21:48 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 11, 2016, 06:14:58 PM


That connection strikes me as being more logically an extension of I-20.


SC tried to get federal money to specifically do this in 1986 but was not successful.

Given that Myrtle Beach is visited by many people from up north including a large Canadian presence, an expressway route from the northwest makes some sense and they're not that far from it now with SC 22, US 501, and SC 38.

North Carolina is definitely a big believer in the interstate shield meaning something.  Otherwise they wouldn't be going to the trouble of converting so many already-existing freeways that while some are not technically built to a modern interstate standard are plenty modern enough to function as through freeways.  So I might question the need to spend $ to upgrade existing freeways that are perfectly fine, while substandard interstates like I-95 and I-40 west of Hickory don't get very much love.

As a thought exercise I tried to eliminate the need for interstate numbering entirely and just move the US route number onto it and only a handful of new US route numbers (or extensions) would've been needed to cover the entirety of the 2di network.

No matter what grid you dream up for any sort of highway system on any level, it will eventually have to be violated (some states' original grid systems were obsolete quite early: NC by the early 1930s, Virginia by 1928).  But a grid system is not necessary for the motoring public.  Plenty of states have no discernible primary grid system and people seem to get around. Well except for the NCDOT commenters who would I guess when trying to use I-44 leaving Raleigh would wonder how many times they have to drive by Garner before they reach Norfolk.

It's rules like the US routes can't be intrastate that make no sense to me.  It's a system.  Some logical connections within that system necessarily must be within the boundaries of a state.  It certainly wouldn't make sense if that rule were on the state level - that all state routes must cross a county line.  And if connections on the interstate system (i.e. 3di's) can be comically short, what's the difference?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on May 12, 2016, 03:56:22 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on May 11, 2016, 07:20:16 PM
Furthermore, they aren't abstract lines on the map (like a lot of I-69), they are real roads that are being built and will be completed.
Not outside of NC they aren't.  I-73 and I-74 will NEVER EVER be built in WV and OH, and I'm not holding my breath on VA and SC (though I expect SC will get to it eventually).  The two I-74s will NEVER connect, and that doesn't sit well with me.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on May 12, 2016, 04:01:42 PM
In Fictional Highways, 73 and 74 can be renumbered easily. In the real world, however, the two numbers are set in stone.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 12, 2016, 04:35:23 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 12, 2016, 03:56:22 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on May 11, 2016, 07:20:16 PM
Furthermore, they aren't abstract lines on the map (like a lot of I-69), they are real roads that are being built and will be completed.
Not outside of NC they aren't.  I-73 and I-74 will NEVER EVER be built in WV and OH, and I'm not holding my breath on VA and SC (though I expect SC will get to it eventually).  The two I-74s will NEVER connect, and that doesn't sit well with me.



They will get built in WV and OH. They are not in a hurry to get it all done. Never say never. If you don't like it.. don't comment. Again, this is Congress' ideas, not the states. get over it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Thing 342 on May 12, 2016, 05:05:21 PM
Quote from: Strider on May 12, 2016, 04:35:23 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 12, 2016, 03:56:22 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on May 11, 2016, 07:20:16 PM
Furthermore, they aren't abstract lines on the map (like a lot of I-69), they are real roads that are being built and will be completed.
Not outside of NC they aren't.  I-73 and I-74 will NEVER EVER be built in WV and OH, and I'm not holding my breath on VA and SC (though I expect SC will get to it eventually).  The two I-74s will NEVER connect, and that doesn't sit well with me.
They will get built in WV and OH. They are not in a hurry to get it all done. Never say never. If you don't like it.. don't comment. Again, this is Congress' ideas, not the states. get over it.
Except that Congress has no power over state DOTs, with the exception of FHWA money (which was used to enforce mandatory seatbelts, drinking age 21, and the NMSL, not pet projects) that I'd very much doubt they'd pull over such a trivial matter. Congress may have ideas (insert political joke here), but they won't be implemented if the states affected aren't on board. Unless there is some sort of sea change in OH, WV, and MI, I-73/74 are not getting built there.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on May 12, 2016, 05:22:41 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 12, 2016, 03:56:22 PM
Not outside of NC they aren't.  I-73 and I-74 will NEVER EVER be built in WV and OH, and I'm not holding my breath on VA and SC (though I expect SC will get to it eventually).  The two I-74s will NEVER connect, and that doesn't sit well with me.

I agree with you concerning I-74. I-73 is a good enough idea that it might be built eventually.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 12, 2016, 05:50:18 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on May 12, 2016, 05:22:41 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 12, 2016, 03:56:22 PM
Not outside of NC they aren't.  I-73 and I-74 will NEVER EVER be built in WV and OH, and I'm not holding my breath on VA and SC (though I expect SC will get to it eventually).  The two I-74s will NEVER connect, and that doesn't sit well with me.

I agree with you concerning I-74. I-73 is a good enough idea that it might be built eventually.


Yea, I am not worried about I-74 (not a fan of the routing) but I-73 will be extended.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 12, 2016, 07:42:19 PM
Quote from: Strider on May 12, 2016, 04:35:23 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 12, 2016, 03:56:22 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on May 11, 2016, 07:20:16 PM
Furthermore, they aren't abstract lines on the map (like a lot of I-69), they are real roads that are being built and will be completed.
Not outside of NC they aren't.  I-73 and I-74 will NEVER EVER be built in WV and OH, and I'm not holding my breath on VA and SC (though I expect SC will get to it eventually).  The two I-74s will NEVER connect, and that doesn't sit well with me.



They will get built in WV and OH. They are not in a hurry to get it all done. Never say never. If you don't like it.. don't comment. Again, this is Congress' ideas, not the states. get over it.

I thought WV, OH and MI flat out said they had no intention of building I-73 or I-74? Am I missing something? :confused:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on May 12, 2016, 08:05:22 PM
Quote from: LM117 on May 12, 2016, 07:42:19 PM
I thought WV, OH and MI flat out said they had no intention of building I-73 or I-74? Am I missing something? :confused:

You are right about Michigan and Ohio, but they can always change in the future, just depends who's the Governor and if they care. 

As for West Virginia, they are not exactly saying no to the interstates; currently the King Coal Highway has several divided four-lane sections and they keep extending it when they can.  It's not at "full" freeway grade, but it is an expressway that can be upgraded in future.  Currently it takes time and money to cut through mountains to build a road, which they are doing but slowly.  When they hit critical mass, they will likely re-designate US 52 into I-73/I-74.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on May 12, 2016, 09:03:04 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 11, 2016, 01:59:04 PM

They should also be a logical addition, which to me would be connecting an area that currently is not (3di) or serving a major corridor that was left out and is a "hole" in the system (2di or 3di, depending on length).

An interstate isn't just a route that happens to meet some standards and have a certain shield.  It's a component in a larger, grander, and (ideally) orderly system of roadways efficiently forming the backbone of car/truck transportation in this country.

I've deleted the personal emotions of your reply and wanted to focus on specifically this.

Valerie:

I find it interesting that you agree that there is an overall larger network in play here but you then say an "ideally" orderly system.  You are assuming that all things are equal aren't you?  Obviously the demographics - specifically population centers - of this country has changed since the 1950s.  Additionally, there are geographic constraints to go along with it.   Further, aren't you somewhat contradicting yourself when you want an "ideally" orderly system.  What is an ideal system - and for that to happen you will have to have some trade-offs.

You said it should be a logical addition to the system.  Is not the Port of Morehead City (albeit small) and Seymour Johnson Air Force Base a key part of our transportation, defense, and supply chain network?  is not the Raleigh/Norfolk Corridor (you can debate 58 vs 64/13/17 sure) a key part as well.  After all goods and materials do come in and out of the Port of Norfolk to the South and southwest.

North Carolina has changed a lot in the last sixty years - wow we're up to sixty years for the Interstate System now - there are still some heavily rural areas and the industries of tobacco and textiles are unfortunately not what they were.  But Charlotte, Raleigh and durham, Greensboro and Winston-Salem have grown rapidly.

Was I-40 to Wilmington a bad extension?  Was the conversion of US 23 to Interstate standards connecting I-26 and the Port of Charleston to the I-81/40 corridors an example of a lack of respect to the orderly system?   Is some redundancy in the system a bad thing?

You are exactly right that this is a nationwide network that is the backbone of our transportation and commerce.  Is it not a good thing to try to meet those standards and include them into the Interstate System if the rotues can connect directly onto the existing system?  The country is not just limited to population centers.  There are numerous types of industries with manufacturing locations , distribution centers all throughout this company.  Large and small.  The amount of goods and materials shipped in either full truckload or less than truck load carriers is amazing.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 12, 2016, 11:19:36 PM
Well, regardless of what the other states may or may not do, I-73 is alive and well in NC. NCDOT is even opening a new diverging diamond interchange this weekend in Greensboro:
http://www.twcnews.com/nc/triad/news/2016/05/12/greensboro-gets-its-first-diverging-diamond-interchange.html (http://www.twcnews.com/nc/triad/news/2016/05/12/greensboro-gets-its-first-diverging-diamond-interchange.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: roadman65 on May 12, 2016, 11:26:03 PM
My opinion is that if VDOT does build their end of it, the freeway would just end in Roanoke and have its northern terminus at I-81 where I-581 currently ends. 

At least it going there would do some good for motorists, even if SCDOT won't build their end from the State Line south of Rockingham to Myrtle Beach.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: SP Cook on May 13, 2016, 09:42:02 AM
RE: US 52 in WV. 

US 52 received substantial upgrades in the early 1970s.  Many sections, particularly the part that was built anew along the Big Sandy (the old US 52 is WV 152) to the JCT with US 152 is really the best 2 lane road in the state. 

It is possible, in fact probable, that 52, will eventually be a 4-lane will eventually be finished from I-64 to the Prichard Intermodal Facility, which is about 10 miles of construction and for which the ROW was bought decades ago.   Although current DOH plans are to simply build a bridge over the Big Sandy and route traffic onto the existing 4-lane US 23 in Kentucky.

South of that the "Tolsia Highway" is nothing more than a line on a topo map. Maybe 30 air miles. Absoulutely nothing has been done and there are no plans.  This takes us down to the JCT with the 4-lane US 119/Corridor G.

Once 119 and 52 seperate at Williamson this is the King Coal Highway project.  About 12 miles are open, as a 2-lane with the grade for the other 2 lanes "banked".  This is a "win-win" project with a coal company striping the coal and leaving behind the road bed.  There is another 10 or so miles that could be done, provided the results of the next election make the mineing of coal legal again. 

South of that, the state is back on its own dime.  It is about 65 air miles to Bluefield.  Through some fo the worst terrain in the eastern US, and the poorest and most economically potential free areas in all of Appalachia.  Nothing has been done but a few lines on another topo map.

And all of this, if it would be built, would be with at grades and stop lights,   With no provision for interstate standards.

But it will not be built.  WV is FLAT broke.  And this project only shaves less than 10 miles off the existing I-64 and I-77 connection between Huntington and Bluefield.  And, south of about 2/3rd of the way through Wayne County, terrain that simply precludes any economic development if you build a gold plated 10 lane road.  Just too rugged.

And WV has plenty of other irons in the fire.  A (misguided and political, IMHO) 4-lane of WV 10 which is esentually the next river valley over, which is 1/3rd done and serves no purpose if not completed.  The rest of H.  Growth in the eastern panhandle.  US 35.  6-lane upgrades to I-64 from KY to Teays Valley and of (again misguided and political) I-79 from Pennsylvania to south of Clarksburg.  Bypasses of Beckley and Morgantown.   

The Faux I-74 will end at the VA-NC border forever.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MazdaStrider on May 13, 2016, 12:40:42 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 12, 2016, 11:26:03 PM
My opinion is that if VDOT does build their end of it, the freeway would just end in Roanoke and have its northern terminus at I-81 where I-581 currently ends. 

At least it going there would do some good for motorists, even if SCDOT won't build their end from the State Line south of Rockingham to Myrtle Beach.


Yeah, I believe that is the approved routing of I-73 (anyone please correct me if I am wrong) and it is to run from I-81 in Roanoke, VA to Myrtle Beach, SC. But the real question is: does Myrtle Beach really need 2 interstates to end there?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on May 13, 2016, 01:25:22 PM
Additionally: WV did flirt with the idea of building I-74, but when the feds came back and said that having the coal miners leave the road bed would not be allowed for an interstate and they would have to use traditional bidding for the earthwork, WV said "f*** you" and decided to build the road to corridor standards instead, with no provisions for ever making it an interstate.  And yeah, it's not any better than the existing route and goes through the middle of nowhere.

In my previous posts I wasn't talking about I-40 to Wilmington... I was talking about the proposed I-74 to Wilmington, which has many of the same issues here as in WV: the existing interstate route is shorter and it goes through an area with no major towns.  It's basically contorting around various middle of nowhere areas to justify slapping interstate shields down.

I've been noticing that NC has a very dense freeway network.  Even if every road ever proposed in NY in the entire history of transportation had been built, NC's network would likely still be denser.  I guess some states just have zero tolerance for traffic.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 13, 2016, 02:02:58 PM
Quote from: MazdaStrider on May 13, 2016, 12:40:42 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 12, 2016, 11:26:03 PM
My opinion is that if VDOT does build their end of it, the freeway would just end in Roanoke and have its northern terminus at I-81 where I-581 currently ends. 

At least it going there would do some good for motorists, even if SCDOT won't build their end from the State Line south of Rockingham to Myrtle Beach.


Yeah, I believe that is the approved routing of I-73 (anyone please correct me if I am wrong) and it is to run from I-81 in Roanoke, VA to Myrtle Beach, SC. But the real question is: does Myrtle Beach really need 2 interstates to end there?

Yep, that's the approved routing. And no, Myrtle Beach doesn't need 2 interstates. I-73 is enough. Count me in the "I-74 should end in Wilmington" group.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MazdaStrider on May 13, 2016, 02:11:10 PM
Quote from: LM117 on May 13, 2016, 02:02:58 PM
Quote from: MazdaStrider on May 13, 2016, 12:40:42 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 12, 2016, 11:26:03 PM
My opinion is that if VDOT does build their end of it, the freeway would just end in Roanoke and have its northern terminus at I-81 where I-581 currently ends. 

At least it going there would do some good for motorists, even if SCDOT won't build their end from the State Line south of Rockingham to Myrtle Beach.


Yeah, I believe that is the approved routing of I-73 (anyone please correct me if I am wrong) and it is to run from I-81 in Roanoke, VA to Myrtle Beach, SC. But the real question is: does Myrtle Beach really need 2 interstates to end there?

Yep, that's the approved routing. And no, Myrtle Beach doesn't need 2 interstates. I-73 is enough. Count me in the "I-74 should end in Wilmington" group.


Count me in the "I-74 should end in Wilmington" group as well, although I still strongly believe I-74 should end at I-73 near Randleman.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on May 13, 2016, 02:28:19 PM
Quote from: LM117 on May 13, 2016, 02:02:58 PM
Quote from: MazdaStrider on May 13, 2016, 12:40:42 PM
Yeah, I believe that is the approved routing of I-73 (anyone please correct me if I am wrong) and it is to run from I-81 in Roanoke, VA to Myrtle Beach, SC. But the real question is: does Myrtle Beach really need 2 interstates to end there?

Yep, that's the approved routing. And no, Myrtle Beach doesn't need 2 interstates. I-73 is enough. Count me in the "I-74 should end in Wilmington" group.

To be clear, I-74 is suppose to end at Georgetown, not Myrtle Beach.  :wave:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: mvak36 on May 13, 2016, 02:31:44 PM
Quote from: LM117 on May 13, 2016, 02:02:58 PM
Yep, that's the approved routing. And no, Myrtle Beach doesn't need 2 interstates. I-73 is enough. Count me in the "I-74 should end in Wilmington" group.

I definitely agree with this. Although, it's kind of a very roundabout way of getting there if someone takes 74 all the way there. But, it's a quicker way to get to Charlotte I guess.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on May 13, 2016, 05:17:58 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on May 13, 2016, 02:28:19 PM
To be clear, I-74 is suppose to end at Georgetown, not Myrtle Beach.  :wave:

Actually it looks like it won't get that far. SC is extending the Carolina Bays Parkway (SC 31/Future I-74) to end at SC 707 south of Socastee and west of Surfside Beach. There are no plans at all to extend the freeway to Georgetown.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 13, 2016, 06:48:44 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on May 13, 2016, 02:28:19 PM
Quote from: LM117 on May 13, 2016, 02:02:58 PM
Quote from: MazdaStrider on May 13, 2016, 12:40:42 PM
Yeah, I believe that is the approved routing of I-73 (anyone please correct me if I am wrong) and it is to run from I-81 in Roanoke, VA to Myrtle Beach, SC. But the real question is: does Myrtle Beach really need 2 interstates to end there?

Yep, that's the approved routing. And no, Myrtle Beach doesn't need 2 interstates. I-73 is enough. Count me in the "I-74 should end in Wilmington" group.

To be clear, I-74 is suppose to end at Georgetown, not Myrtle Beach.  :wave:

Welp.

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Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Grzrd on May 13, 2016, 07:28:57 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on December 04, 2015, 05:35:31 PM
Quote from: Grzrd on April 12, 2015, 12:42:45 PM
This article (http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/local/article18298637.html) reports on possible Presidential candidate Donald Trump providing some political theater (theater of the absurd?) regarding I-73 in South Carolina by quoting him saying that I-73 needs to be built ...:
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Trump said Myrtle Beach has a bright future but needs to improve access to the area, specifically by building I-73 ....
This December 3 article (http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/local/article47887950.html) reports that ... Donald Trump has recently re-emphasized the need to complete I-73:
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The S.C. Department of Transportation Commission revived efforts Thursday to build Interstate 73, a controversial freeway long sought as a way to bring tourists to the Grand Strand ....
In a recent visit to Myrtle Beach, GOP frontrunner Donald Trump emphasized the need to complete the project ....
How the interstate would be paid for remains unknown ....
(above quote from  I-73 & I-74 in S.C. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10723.msg2110552;topicseen#msg2110552) thread)
Quote from: WashuOtaku on May 11, 2016, 09:04:48 AM
That's the problem with ... South Carolina, they know the price tag for the whole project and it frightens them from actually building it ...

When I made the April 12, 2015 post about Trump, I did not believe that he would advance to become the presumptive Republican nominee; however, he is on the record as supporting I-73's completion in South Carolina. That said, as the second linked article in my post indicates, he has not clarified who will pay for it.  :sombrero:




Quote from: lordsutch on December 02, 2015, 02:49:58 PM
Note however that Hillary Clinton, at least, has promised that she will restore a dedicated ARC funding stream if elected (whether she can deliver on this promise, of course, is a completely open question given that Congress has the power of the purse, not the president). If that happens, I'd imagine projects on the slow or back burner like the remainder of Corridor V (and maybe even the Interstate upgrade for the Batesville-Tupelo section - I'm not sure how that would interact with the 100% federal funding rule), I-99 north of I-80, and the Beltline will get renewed attention.
(above quote from Birmingham Northern Beltline (I-422, I-959) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2731.msg2109887#msg2109887) thrad)

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Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: HazMatt on May 13, 2016, 08:03:41 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on May 13, 2016, 09:42:02 AM
And WV has plenty of other irons in the fire.  A (misguided and political, IMHO) 4-lane of WV 10 which is esentually the next river valley over, which is 1/3rd done and serves no purpose if not completed.  The rest of H.  Growth in the eastern panhandle.  US 35.  6-lane upgrades to I-64 from KY to Teays Valley and of (again misguided and political) I-79 from Pennsylvania to south of Clarksburg.  Bypasses of Beckley and Morgantown.   

On that note, I know US 35 is being upgraded to 4-lanes but have there ever been talks of making that a freeway?  73/74 could potentially be routed that way, with 74 continuing to I-71 and then a concurrency down to Cincinnati to make it a continuous route.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: roadman65 on May 13, 2016, 11:02:10 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on May 13, 2016, 02:28:19 PM
Quote from: LM117 on May 13, 2016, 02:02:58 PM
Quote from: MazdaStrider on May 13, 2016, 12:40:42 PM
Yeah, I believe that is the approved routing of I-73 (anyone please correct me if I am wrong) and it is to run from I-81 in Roanoke, VA to Myrtle Beach, SC. But the real question is: does Myrtle Beach really need 2 interstates to end there?

Yep, that's the approved routing. And no, Myrtle Beach doesn't need 2 interstates. I-73 is enough. Count me in the "I-74 should end in Wilmington" group.

To be clear, I-74 is suppose to end at Georgetown, not Myrtle Beach.  :wave:
Wow big difference there.

Anyway, I-74 to Wilmington and I-73 to Myrtle Beach is what it should be.  However I always thought that I-74 from Rockingham to Wilmington should have been part of a longer intestate taking over US 74 between Charlotte and Wilmington.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on May 14, 2016, 12:47:09 AM
Quote from: Grzrd on May 13, 2016, 07:28:57 PM
When I made the April 12, 2015 post about Trump, I did not believe that he would advance to become the presumptive Republican nominee; however, he is on the record as supporting I-73's completion in South Carolina. That said, as the second linked article in my post indicates, he has not clarified who will pay for it.  :sombrero:
I guess the Mexican government will.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Third Strike on May 14, 2016, 12:56:34 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 13, 2016, 11:02:10 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on May 13, 2016, 02:28:19 PM
Quote from: LM117 on May 13, 2016, 02:02:58 PM
Quote from: MazdaStrider on May 13, 2016, 12:40:42 PM
Yeah, I believe that is the approved routing of I-73 (anyone please correct me if I am wrong) and it is to run from I-81 in Roanoke, VA to Myrtle Beach, SC. But the real question is: does Myrtle Beach really need 2 interstates to end there?

Yep, that's the approved routing. And no, Myrtle Beach doesn't need 2 interstates. I-73 is enough. Count me in the "I-74 should end in Wilmington" group.

To be clear, I-74 is suppose to end at Georgetown, not Myrtle Beach.  :wave:
Wow big difference there.

Anyway, I-74 to Wilmington and I-73 to Myrtle Beach is what it should be.  However I always thought that I-74 from Rockingham to Wilmington should have been part of a longer intestate taking over US 74 between Charlotte and Wilmington.

According to North Carolina thread, the NCDOT has no current intentions to label the Monroe Bypass as an Interstate. However, if that's the case, I'm totally in favor of a new spur from I-74 in Rockingham, to the eastern terminus of the Monroe Bypass near Wingate. I still would have preferred a new I-3X delineation from Asheville, to Charlotte, and then Wilmington along US 74, and parts of I-85 and I-485 in the Charlotte metro.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: SP Cook on May 14, 2016, 07:49:59 AM
Quote from: HazMatt on May 13, 2016, 08:03:41 PM

On that note, I know US 35 is being upgraded to 4-lanes but have there ever been talks of making that a freeway?  73/74 could potentially be routed that way, with 74 continuing to I-71 and then a concurrency down to Cincinnati to make it a continuous route.

No, and it would be unneeded.  The complex of US 23, OH 32, US 50, and US 35, when all completed, is just fine for the purpose and traffic volumes. 

That is one thing that I think is kind of a symptom of roadgeekery.   We all have this fascination with the brand "interstate".  Part of that is roadgeekery.  Part of that leaks over into normal people, because "BUILD I-73" is about 1000X times a better sound bite than "fully fund the ARC corridor program" or even "upgrade US 220 to 4 lanes".  Common people know what an interstate is.

Look at all the discussions we have about 73, 74, 99, 69, etc.  While similar (similar good and similar boondoggle) projects not called interstate this or that are rarely discussed.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: roadman65 on May 14, 2016, 08:16:09 AM
Quote from: Third Strike on May 14, 2016, 12:56:34 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 13, 2016, 11:02:10 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on May 13, 2016, 02:28:19 PM
Quote from: LM117 on May 13, 2016, 02:02:58 PM
Quote from: MazdaStrider on May 13, 2016, 12:40:42 PM
Yeah, I believe that is the approved routing of I-73 (anyone please correct me if I am wrong) and it is to run from I-81 in Roanoke, VA to Myrtle Beach, SC. But the real question is: does Myrtle Beach really need 2 interstates to end there?

Yep, that's the approved routing. And no, Myrtle Beach doesn't need 2 interstates. I-73 is enough. Count me in the "I-74 should end in Wilmington" group.

To be clear, I-74 is suppose to end at Georgetown, not Myrtle Beach.  :wave:
Wow big difference there.

Anyway, I-74 to Wilmington and I-73 to Myrtle Beach is what it should be.  However I always thought that I-74 from Rockingham to Wilmington should have been part of a longer intestate taking over US 74 between Charlotte and Wilmington.

According to North Carolina thread, the NCDOT has no current intentions to label the Monroe Bypass as an Interstate. However, if that's the case, I'm totally in favor of a new spur from I-74 in Rockingham, to the eastern terminus of the Monroe Bypass near Wingate. I still would have preferred a new I-3X delineation from Asheville, to Charlotte, and then Wilmington along US 74, and parts of I-85 and I-485 in the Charlotte metro.
Back in 1995, I was in Rockingham, and this of course was before the bypass (Future 1-74) was built, and a lot of traffic (including semis) were using US 74 at the time.

I am sure there is enough demand for an interstate there.  I do not see why I-74 has to double back to the Myrtle Beach area when Wilmington, a perfectly good size city, is there in a straight line ahead.  Its like they are so blind building the I-73/I-74 thing with one thing in mind, that is giving the Myrtle Beach area two interstates they overlooked some other possibilities in the whole process.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 14, 2016, 09:29:00 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 14, 2016, 08:16:09 AMI do not see why I-74 has to double back to the Myrtle Beach area when Wilmington, a perfectly good size city, is there in a straight line ahead.  Its like they are so blind building the I-73/I-74 thing with one thing in mind, that is giving the Myrtle Beach area two interstates they overlooked some other possibilities in the whole process.

+1! If I had it my way, I-74 would end in Wilmington and an I-x74 would link Myrtle Beach and Wilmington. That way, Myrtle Beach would have their two interstates and Wilmington wouldn't be getting the shaft. Win-win!  :cheers: But I'm drifting into fictional territory here, so I'll shut up about it. What's done is done.  :no:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 14, 2016, 02:03:25 PM
Exit 100 is now open on I-73 as of today in Greensboro. The interchange is for Gate City Blvd. to no surprise, the interchange is DDI. There are still some work around the interchange, but the bottom line is: there is now Exit 100.



Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on May 14, 2016, 06:41:18 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 14, 2016, 08:16:09 AM

I am sure there is enough demand for an interstate there.  I do not see why I-74 has to double back to the Myrtle Beach area when Wilmington, a perfectly good size city, is there in a straight line ahead.  Its like they are so blind building the I-73/I-74 thing with one thing in mind, that is giving the Myrtle Beach area two interstates they overlooked some other possibilities in the whole process.

I could be mistaken but I believe the law requires both 73 and 74 to go to Georgetown, so it would require Congressional action to have 74 not go there.

Then again I don't know the consequence of never building it that far, just as the 74 piece mandated to Cincinnati isn't exactly on the horizon either...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on May 14, 2016, 10:10:43 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 14, 2016, 06:41:18 PM

I could be mistaken but I believe the law requires both 73 and 74 to go to Georgetown, so it would require Congressional action to have 74 not go there.

Then again I don't know the consequence of never building it that far, just as the 74 piece mandated to Cincinnati isn't exactly on the horizon either...

Congress can define interstate corridors, but it can't require states to build them. The I-74 corridor is defined to Georgetown, but SC has no plans to build it south of Surfside Beach.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on May 14, 2016, 10:13:21 PM
Quote from: I94RoadRunner on April 09, 2016, 03:39:50 PM
Yes and no. It is like I-26 - a 'diagonal' interstate. That is if the interstate in NC EVER gets connected to Cincinnati. Probably not in my lifetime. Come on WV, what is the hold up  :pan:

Funding.

The complete lack of need for that to be anything other than a surface four-lane route in West Virginia because the traffic demand is not there, an interstate would be overkill, and a surface route would be more than sufficient.

Oh, and did I mention funding?

West Virginia never had intentions of upgrading US 52 to an interstate. The plan always was to build a four lane form Huntington to Bluefield via Williamson and Welch.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: SP Cook on May 15, 2016, 07:33:12 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 14, 2016, 10:13:21 PM

Funding.

The complete lack of need for that to be anything other than a surface four-lane route in West Virginia because the traffic demand is not there, an interstate would be overkill, and a surface route would be more than sufficient.


If some benefactor presented WV with 100% of the cash needed to build the Tolsia/King Coal project, either to interstate or the currently planned corridor standard, there are about 50 better things this flat broke state could do with it.  (Other than the needed 10 or so miles from the Prichard facility to I-64)  Road related and otherwise. 

Same goes for the boondoggle WV 10 upgrade currently being built and the farcical Coalfields Expressway. 

This is an economically potential free area.  There is no economic use for this land other than the (now essentially illegal) production of coal, and no reason to live there other than to mine coal.  So a couple of billion dollars to save less than 10 miles over the current interstate route between Huntington and Bluefield (64 and 77).  Through what is fast becoming an unpopulated woodland.  Dumb beyond belief.

WV needs to finish H and 35, 6 lane the rest of the western half of 64, try to fix some of the issues with the turnpike's misdesign, and deal with the only growing area, the eastern panhandle.  All of the rest of these projects are just waste. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on May 15, 2016, 08:40:41 AM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on May 14, 2016, 10:10:43 PM
Congress can define interstate corridors, but it can't require states to build them. The I-74 corridor is defined to Georgetown, but SC has no plans to build it south of Surfside Beach.

Well, all they need to do is upgrade US 17 to an interstate south of Surfside Beach, wouldn't be difficult to do that a majority of the route.  The only difficult area would be Litchfield, which the right-of-way would be costly.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on May 15, 2016, 08:42:54 AM
Quote from: SP Cook on May 15, 2016, 07:33:12 AM
If some benefactor presented WV with 100% of the cash needed to build the Tolsia/King Coal project, either to interstate or the currently planned corridor standard, there are about 50 better things this flat broke state could do with it.  (Other than the needed 10 or so miles from the Prichard facility to I-64)  Road related and otherwise. 

Same goes for the boondoggle WV 10 upgrade currently being built and the farcical Coalfields Expressway. 

This is an economically potential free area.  There is no economic use for this land other than the (now essentially illegal) production of coal, and no reason to live there other than to mine coal.  So a couple of billion dollars to save less than 10 miles over the current interstate route between Huntington and Bluefield (64 and 77).  Through what is fast becoming an unpopulated woodland.  Dumb beyond belief.

WV needs to finish H and 35, 6 lane the rest of the western half of 64, try to fix some of the issues with the turnpike's misdesign, and deal with the only growing area, the eastern panhandle.  All of the rest of these projects are just waste.

If they got funds earmarked for the King Coal Highway, they cannot funnel it to another project; appropriations don't work that way.

When did mining coal become illegal?  How do we keep providing coal to all our coal power plants?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: SP Cook on May 15, 2016, 09:57:06 AM
I'm quite aware of how appropriations work.  I was speaking theoretically.

As to coal, you do understand that no new permits for new coal mines have been issued and when the current ones run out, there will be no more coal mining.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on May 15, 2016, 10:31:09 AM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on May 15, 2016, 08:40:41 AM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on May 14, 2016, 10:10:43 PM
Congress can define interstate corridors, but it can't require states to build them. The I-74 corridor is defined to Georgetown, but SC has no plans to build it south of Surfside Beach.

Well, all they need to do is upgrade US 17 to an interstate south of Surfside Beach, wouldn't be difficult to do that a majority of the route.  The only difficult area would be Litchfield, which the right-of-way would be costly.

Upgrading US 17 would be extremely difficult and costly.  Only about 10 miles of this has a speed limit above 45 now and the built up area continues well south of Litchfield through Pawleys Island and Simmonsville...

Also the median is very narrow (or non-existent in some places) so it would be just like building from scratch...

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on May 15, 2016, 03:05:19 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on May 15, 2016, 09:57:06 AM
As to coal, you do understand that no new permits for new coal mines have been issued and when the current ones run out, there will be no more coal mining.

Had to look that up.  The United States has put a freeze on new permits on Government lands, hasn't completely stopped the program.  Also, I'm sure existing mines have and will last for years.

Of course, that probably doesn't help the area any more... all the more reason to build an interstate through it and make it a scenic route.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on May 15, 2016, 04:03:33 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on May 15, 2016, 09:57:06 AM
I'm quite aware of how appropriations work.  I was speaking theoretically.

As to coal, you do understand that no new permits for new coal mines have been issued and when the current ones run out, there will be no more coal mining.

There was a mention on another thread about this and the King Coal/US 52 route. What was the issue that resulted in the coal companies not being able to build the road to grade the way the route between the Delbarton area and Gilbert is being done? Was it a dispute over prevailing wage because the project was being done by a coal company vs. a highway contractor? There was a court case over it but I can't remember the exact issue.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on May 15, 2016, 05:48:13 PM
Basically, someone was upset that WV wasn't putting the work out to bid.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: SP Cook on May 16, 2016, 07:18:41 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 15, 2016, 04:03:33 PM
There was a mention on another thread about this and the King Coal/US 52 route. What was the issue that resulted in the coal companies not being able to build the road to grade the way the route between the Delbarton area and Gilbert is being done? Was it a dispute over prevailing wage because the project was being done by a coal company vs. a highway contractor? There was a court case over it but I can't remember the exact issue.

The court case used the prevailing wage law (which WV has now repealed anyway).  It was more or less a "sour grapes" move by the unionized construction workers.  They "won" and stopped further "win-win" deals were the coal was striped and a road bed was left behind (to be finished by unionized construction workers) by union-free miners.

So the result is not that the road is getting built by construction workers, but it is not being built at all.

In any event, as no new coal mining permits are being issued (and not just on government lands, none anywhere) this whole endeavor is at an end, at least for now.

If you have driven the part that is open, which is two lanes with the other side "banked" for the future, it is in really bad shape.  Engineers say you should let the land settle for 5 or so years, but they rushed the deal and built the road ASAP, because the school system was so bad and they had to use the road to access a new consolidated HS (too many little failing HSs is a big problem in southern WV) and now it is like driving on a roller coaster.  Eventually they will have to rebuild the whole thing.  In any event, it is just 10 or so miles in the middle of nowhere.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on May 16, 2016, 11:04:37 AM
IIRC, I-73 was to end in Charleston, then it was truncated back to Georgetown and then to Myrtle Beach. FWIW, I think I-74 should go to Wilmington and a spur to Myrtle Beach could do the trick if they insist on getting two Interstates there, however roundabout they may seem.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on May 16, 2016, 04:27:09 PM
I've driven the new section at least twice, but it's been a few years. The connector between the new route and WV 44 was falling apart the one time I drove it. Fresh new concrete being patched with cold mix.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: seicer on May 17, 2016, 12:25:30 PM
Ouch. The new US 35 is also seeing a lot of issues, despite it being just a few years old. The asphalt sections are some of the worst new roads I've driven on, with many sections dipping and settling 10- to 20-feet below grade. The concrete portions aren't much better and are either patched with asphalt or new concrete - which doesn't do anything to solve the underlying issue of crapshoot preparation. I can't remember any major issues on Corridor H/US 48 in the eastern part of the state.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on May 18, 2016, 10:56:49 PM
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on May 17, 2016, 12:25:30 PM
Ouch. The new US 35 is also seeing a lot of issues, despite it being just a few years old. The asphalt sections are some of the worst new roads I've driven on, with many sections dipping and settling 10- to 20-feet below grade. The concrete portions aren't much better and are either patched with asphalt or new concrete - which doesn't do anything to solve the underlying issue of crapshoot preparation. I can't remember any major issues on Corridor H/US 48 in the eastern part of the state.

Wonder if it has anything to do with soil type? There's an area of Estill County with a lot of pyrite in the soil. It caused settling issues with the floor and foundation of a new school, also some washboarding with the northern end of the Irvine bypass built a few years ago.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 22, 2016, 12:28:11 PM
I-73 update is set for tomorrow. We should know what's up with the construction north of Greensboro or if there is any changes coming  tomorrow.

http://www.greensboro.com/rockingham_now/news/i--update-set-for-may/article_7402773c-1fa1-11e6-a645-5f84f14a5d99.html

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CobaltYoshi27 on May 22, 2016, 12:44:43 PM
I know there is an update coming out tomorrow, but what is the planned route for I-73? Is it going to follow US 220 to Roanoke and take over I-581?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 22, 2016, 01:10:31 PM
Quote from: CobaltYoshi27 on May 22, 2016, 12:44:43 PM
I know there is an update coming out tomorrow, but what is the planned route for I-73? Is it going to follow US 220 to Roanoke and take over I-581?

Yes, though in VA basically the general area of US 220 until meeting with US 220 southeast of Roanoke and following that to I-81.  (replacing I-581)

See earlier in the thread for the planned routing:  https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=18.msg2143839#msg2143839 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=18.msg2143839#msg2143839)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 22, 2016, 01:31:46 PM
Quote from: CobaltYoshi27 on May 22, 2016, 12:44:43 PM
I know there is an update coming out tomorrow, but what is the planned route for I-73? Is it going to follow US 220 to Roanoke and take over I-581?



Yeah, I-73 will take over I-581 in Roanoke. As of the planned route, it is to leave US 220 right at the NC/VA state line and follow US 220 to the east until they meet in Roanoke.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on May 22, 2016, 02:57:31 PM
Quote from: Strider on May 22, 2016, 01:31:46 PM
Quote from: CobaltYoshi27 on May 22, 2016, 12:44:43 PM
I know there is an update coming out tomorrow, but what is the planned route for I-73? Is it going to follow US 220 to Roanoke and take over I-581?



Yeah, I-73 will take over I-581 in Roanoke. As of the planned route, it is to leave US 220 right at the NC/VA state line and follow US 220 to the east until they meet in Roanoke.

You mean run parallel to the east of US 220.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mileage Mike on June 25, 2016, 03:28:59 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 14, 2016, 10:13:21 PM
Quote from: I94RoadRunner on April 09, 2016, 03:39:50 PM
Yes and no. It is like I-26 - a 'diagonal' interstate. That is if the interstate in NC EVER gets connected to Cincinnati. Probably not in my lifetime. Come on WV, what is the hold up  :pan:

Funding.

The complete lack of need for that to be anything other than a surface four-lane route in West Virginia because the traffic demand is not there, an interstate would be overkill, and a surface route would be more than sufficient.

Oh, and did I mention funding?

West Virginia never had intentions of upgrading US 52 to an interstate. The plan always was to build a four lane form Huntington to Bluefield via Williamson and Welch.

It seems that for the sake of just connecting the route I-74 should just be concurrent with 64/77 through the state all the way to Huntington.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on June 25, 2016, 09:18:09 PM
Quote from: Cemajr on June 25, 2016, 03:28:59 PM

It seems that for the sake of just connecting the route I-74 should just be concurrent with 64/77 through the state all the way to Huntington.

Why? Would you then run it concurrently all the way along I-64 and I-75 through Lexington to Cincinnati to connect it with existing I-74 (the "real" I-74)?

There is no need to build an interstate between Cincinnati and Huntington. The AA Highway and Corridor D/US 35 function just fine to connect the Metro Valley area of West Virginia to Cincy.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 26, 2016, 04:07:20 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 25, 2016, 09:18:09 PM
Quote from: Cemajr on June 25, 2016, 03:28:59 PM

It seems that for the sake of just connecting the route I-74 should just be concurrent with 64/77 through the state all the way to Huntington.

Why? Would you then run it concurrently all the way along I-64 and I-75 through Lexington to Cincinnati to connect it with existing I-74 (the "real" I-74)?

There is no need to build an interstate between Cincinnati and Huntington. The AA Highway and Corridor D/US 35 function just fine to connect the Metro Valley area of West Virginia to Cincy.



I don't see anything wrong with a long concurrences. Eventually interstates are going to run together at some point. However, I don't see it happening unless it is allowed to.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on June 27, 2016, 01:46:00 PM
Even with the Carolina I-74 being as out of place as it is, I prefer a split in the route (such as I-76 or I-88) over a long concurrency.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 28, 2016, 01:13:14 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 27, 2016, 01:46:00 PM
Even with the Carolina I-74 being as out of place as it is, I prefer a split in the route (such as I-76 or I-88) over a long concurrency.


You just might get your wish. I don't see I-74 being built to connect with the another I-74 for like next 40-50 years or so. And yeah I'd prefer a split too.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jbnati27 on June 28, 2016, 11:11:15 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 27, 2016, 01:46:00 PM
Even with the Carolina I-74 being as out of place as it is, I prefer a split in the route (such as I-76 or I-88) over a long concurrency.
I would agree. That long of a concurrency seems pointless. Besides, I thought one of the proposed routes for I-74 (that's probably not going to happen in the near future) was to route I-74 from Bluefield to Huntington along the US-52 corridor?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on June 28, 2016, 11:35:48 AM
Quote from: jbnati27 on June 28, 2016, 11:11:15 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 27, 2016, 01:46:00 PM
Even with the Carolina I-74 being as out of place as it is, I prefer a split in the route (such as I-76 or I-88) over a long concurrency.
I would agree. That long of a concurrency seems pointless. Besides, I thought one of the proposed routes for I-74 (that's probably not going to happen in the near future) was to route I-74 from Bluefield to Huntington along the US-52 corridor?

Last time I checked, there was still a sign marking the "I-73/I-74 High Priority Corridor" on US 52 south of I-64 near the Huntington airport. I also think there was a similar sign somewhere around Bluefield. But since West Virginia is building its new sections of US 52 as expressway, not freeway, the connection is not going to happen.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 28, 2016, 11:51:32 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 28, 2016, 11:35:48 AM
Quote from: jbnati27 on June 28, 2016, 11:11:15 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 27, 2016, 01:46:00 PM
Even with the Carolina I-74 being as out of place as it is, I prefer a split in the route (such as I-76 or I-88) over a long concurrency.
I would agree. That long of a concurrency seems pointless. Besides, I thought one of the proposed routes for I-74 (that's probably not going to happen in the near future) was to route I-74 from Bluefield to Huntington along the US-52 corridor?

Last time I checked, there was still a sign marking the "I-73/I-74 High Priority Corridor" on US 52 south of I-64 near the Huntington airport. I also think there was a similar sign somewhere around Bluefield. But since West Virginia is building its new sections of US 52 as expressway, not freeway, the connection is not going to happen.


Yeah WV is building its new section as an expressway, with consideration that if money is available, they will upgrade it to freeway but again, I don't think I will see it happen.

Ohio is building a Portsmouth bypass (a freeway) in which is also a part of possible "I-73/I-74 High Priority Corridor", so who knows what will happen in 50 years. For now, no connection between these two freeways will happen.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: seicer on June 28, 2016, 12:29:52 PM
Well, Ohio also has no money allocated to upgrade the remainder of US 52 to a freeway. There is also the two-lane Ohio River bridge and freeway in Huntington, W.Va. and the many, many miles of four-lane US 23 in south central Ohio that would need to be completely rebuilt.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 28, 2016, 05:38:05 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 28, 2016, 11:35:48 AM
Quote from: jbnati27 on June 28, 2016, 11:11:15 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 27, 2016, 01:46:00 PM
Even with the Carolina I-74 being as out of place as it is, I prefer a split in the route (such as I-76 or I-88) over a long concurrency.
I would agree. That long of a concurrency seems pointless. Besides, I thought one of the proposed routes for I-74 (that's probably not going to happen in the near future) was to route I-74 from Bluefield to Huntington along the US-52 corridor?

Last time I checked, there was still a sign marking the "I-73/I-74 High Priority Corridor" on US 52 south of I-64 near the Huntington airport. I also think there was a similar sign somewhere around Bluefield. But since West Virginia is building its new sections of US 52 as expressway, not freeway, the connection is not going to happen.

Here you go, the sign you're referencing is on US-460 WB in Princeton, WV.  https://goo.gl/maps/7h3MFVaN9kC2
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 28, 2016, 11:39:19 PM
Quote from: jbnati27 on June 28, 2016, 11:11:15 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 27, 2016, 01:46:00 PM
Even with the Carolina I-74 being as out of place as it is, I prefer a split in the route (such as I-76 or I-88) over a long concurrency.
I would agree. That long of a concurrency seems pointless. Besides, I thought one of the proposed routes for I-74 (that's probably not going to happen in the near future) was to route I-74 from Bluefield to Huntington along the US-52 corridor?
AASHTO approved the I-74 route along I-77 south of I-81 in VA. So, technically I-74 could be signed in that state now. I agree it would be a useless concurrency at this time, but perhaps when I-74 no longer ends at US 52 but continues to Winston-Salem and beyond, it may be worthy of continuing further along I-77 and not simply ending at the VA border.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on June 29, 2016, 06:43:23 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on June 28, 2016, 11:39:19 PM
Quote from: jbnati27 on June 28, 2016, 11:11:15 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 27, 2016, 01:46:00 PM
Even with the Carolina I-74 being as out of place as it is, I prefer a split in the route (such as I-76 or I-88) over a long concurrency.
I would agree. That long of a concurrency seems pointless. Besides, I thought one of the proposed routes for I-74 (that's probably not going to happen in the near future) was to route I-74 from Bluefield to Huntington along the US-52 corridor?
AASHTO approved the I-74 route along I-77 south of I-81 in VA. So, technically I-74 could be signed in that state now. I agree it would be a useless concurrency at this time, but perhaps when I-74 no longer ends at US 52 but continues to Winston-Salem and beyond, it may be worthy of continuing further along I-77 and not simply ending at the VA border.

I doubt VA would sign I-74 along I-77 unless there's an interstate-grade connection in WV, seeing as VA never bothered after all this time. It would be money spent that benefits neither VA or NC. Once I-74 is extended from Mount Airy and reaches Winston-Salem and beyond, there would still be an interstate connection to Ohio via I-74 and I-77, with or without I-74 being signed on I-77. It would still be a pointless concurrency IMO, unless WV has a sudden change of heart and decides to build their part to at least I-64 near Huntington since Ohio has zero interest in I-73 and I-74.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on June 29, 2016, 02:45:10 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the first reassurance marker south of the state line on 77 also has a companion 74 marker. I'd think a "To" banner above it would be appropriate. As for northbound, no reason to sign 74 north of the exit. Just let 74 end at 77 and be done with it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on June 29, 2016, 03:29:44 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 29, 2016, 02:45:10 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the first reassurance marker south of the state line on 77 also has a companion 74 marker. I'd think a "To" banner above it would be appropriate. As for northbound, no reason to sign 74 north of the exit. Just let 74 end at 77 and be done with it.

It does and I agree that I-74 should end at I-77. I-74 serves no purpose being concurrent with I-77 as it is. It just causes confusion for drivers blindly following I-74 signs only for I-74 to suddenly disappear after crossing into VA on I-77.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 29, 2016, 04:53:27 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 29, 2016, 02:45:10 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the first reassurance marker south of the state line on 77 also has a companion 74 marker. I'd think a "To" banner above it would be appropriate. As for northbound, no reason to sign 74 north of the exit. Just let 74 end at 77 and be done with it.


Yeah, you are correct, there is one I-74 shield marker along I-77 on northbound and southbound. If VA is not going to sign it, I agree with you, end I-74 at I-77. Much easier that way. But, I could make the same argument for I-41, which also begins at the WI state line along I-94.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on June 30, 2016, 10:15:33 AM
As much as I'd like to see I-74 continue to Cincinnati, I'd be fine with the two separate routes as well. At least you could connect them in theory, unlike the other splits (same with the upcoming I-87 that is set for the Norfolk-Raleigh corridor).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on June 30, 2016, 04:19:31 PM
When I first saw Interstates 73/74 in the Rand McNally Road Atlas in the 1990s, I thought it was a misprint. I'm starting to wonder if either will ever leave North Carolina. Virginia is not in a hurry to build Interstate 73, and the existence of Interstate 73 and 74 in South Carolina seems a ways off.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 30, 2016, 04:51:09 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 30, 2016, 04:19:31 PM
When I first saw Interstates 73/74 in the Rand McNally Road Atlas in the 1990s, I thought it was a misprint. I'm starting to wonder if either will ever leave North Carolina. Virginia is not in a hurry to build Interstate 73, and the existence of Interstate 73 and 74 in South Carolina seems a ways off.

West Virginia is not in a hurry either because they're building a road that is a expressway (King Coal Highway, and will upgrade to freeway as money is available in later years). South Carolina has a very long way to go but they're working on it even though a part of it is complete (SC 22, which will need a shoulder work).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CobaltYoshi27 on June 30, 2016, 05:20:51 PM
Quote from: Strider on June 30, 2016, 04:51:09 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 30, 2016, 04:19:31 PM
When I first saw Interstates 73/74 in the Rand McNally Road Atlas in the 1990s, I thought it was a misprint. I'm starting to wonder if either will ever leave North Carolina. Virginia is not in a hurry to build Interstate 73, and the existence of Interstate 73 and 74 in South Carolina seems a ways off.

West Virginia is not in a hurry either because they're building a road that is a expressway (King Coal Highway, and will upgrade to freeway as money is available in later years). South Carolina has a very long way to go but they're working on it even though a part of it is complete (SC 22, which will need a shoulder work).

Even though King Coal Highway is part of the I-73/I-74 corridor.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 30, 2016, 07:56:23 PM
Quote from: CobaltYoshi27 on June 30, 2016, 05:20:51 PM
Quote from: Strider on June 30, 2016, 04:51:09 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 30, 2016, 04:19:31 PM
When I first saw Interstates 73/74 in the Rand McNally Road Atlas in the 1990s, I thought it was a misprint. I'm starting to wonder if either will ever leave North Carolina. Virginia is not in a hurry to build Interstate 73, and the existence of Interstate 73 and 74 in South Carolina seems a ways off.

West Virginia is not in a hurry either because they're building a road that is a expressway (King Coal Highway, and will upgrade to freeway as money is available in later years). South Carolina has a very long way to go but they're working on it even though a part of it is complete (SC 22, which will need a shoulder work).

Even though King Coal Highway is part of the I-73/I-74 corridor.


Yeah you're correct. It is a part of I-73/I-74 corridor. That means if money is available for West Virginia to upgrade the expressway to interstate standards, they can do that easily. Smart move by West Virginia. Wish other states can look at this method. I think Virginia recognizes it need to be built in pieces, not the whole thing. less expensive this way.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CobaltYoshi27 on June 30, 2016, 10:54:35 PM
Quote from: Strider on June 30, 2016, 07:56:23 PM
Quote from: CobaltYoshi27 on June 30, 2016, 05:20:51 PM
Quote from: Strider on June 30, 2016, 04:51:09 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 30, 2016, 04:19:31 PM
When I first saw Interstates 73/74 in the Rand McNally Road Atlas in the 1990s, I thought it was a misprint. I'm starting to wonder if either will ever leave North Carolina. Virginia is not in a hurry to build Interstate 73, and the existence of Interstate 73 and 74 in South Carolina seems a ways off.

West Virginia is not in a hurry either because they're building a road that is a expressway (King Coal Highway, and will upgrade to freeway as money is available in later years). South Carolina has a very long way to go but they're working on it even though a part of it is complete (SC 22, which will need a shoulder work).

Even though King Coal Highway is part of the I-73/I-74 corridor.


Yeah you're correct. It is a part of I-73/I-74 corridor. That means if money is available for West Virginia to upgrade the expressway to interstate standards, they can do that easily. Smart move by West Virginia. Wish other states can look at this method. I think Virginia recognizes it need to be built in pieces, not the whole thing. less expensive this way.

I guess West Virginia did have plans to do it all along. Both ways seem to have their pros and cons.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on July 10, 2016, 08:41:02 PM
As the coal industry declines in importance, the rationale for expanding capacity on US 52 in WVA, even as an expressway, much less an Interstate facility, also dissipates.  HPC 5 was routed that way to serve as a local server SIU of 73/74, benefiting the local coal base; aside from the Myrtle Beach promoters, much of the impetus for the corridor as a whole emanated from this region.  Presently, it's difficult to see how the cost of developing the King Coal corridor could be justified given the ever-decreasing likelihood of appreciable benefits on either a local or national level.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on July 10, 2016, 11:09:02 PM
Quote from: sparker on July 10, 2016, 08:41:02 PM
As the coal industry declines in importance, the rationale for expanding capacity on US 52 in WVA, even as an expressway, much less an Interstate facility, also dissipates.  HPC 5 was routed that way to serve as a local server SIU of 73/74, benefiting the local coal base; aside from the Myrtle Beach promoters, much of the impetus for the corridor as a whole emanated from this region.  Presently, it's difficult to see how the cost of developing the King Coal corridor could be justified given the ever-decreasing likelihood of appreciable benefits on either a local or national level.

Your opinion is the biggest obstetrical in today's transportation projects.  From not beneficial in the short term to cost don't justify it don't just stop such projects in West Virginia but other places as well.  Honestly, if the "Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956" didn't happen, we would have a system more similar to Australia and Canada today, where freeways only exist around cities and nothing to connect them with.  It takes determination and play a long game to get roads like the "King Coal Highway" built to the local light-rail projects.

There is no question I-64, I-77 and I-79 have been beneficial to the state; another interstate reaching an area of the state that is difficult to get through would be most beneficial to the local and those that can utilize a more direct route between Kentucky/Ohio and Virginia besides going to the state capital.  Dismissing it only eliminates what could be from happening.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on July 11, 2016, 01:48:50 AM
Re "obstetrical" -- I had no idea that my ideas were giving birth to something!   :) I think the term in play here is "obstacle" -- it certainly fits the context better.

Regarding my King Coal comments -- I certainly didn't mean to imply that all speculative road projects are either unjustified or otherwise unworthy.  If I had been considerably more than 7 when the original Interstate legislation was passed, I would have been out front as one of its more vocal cheerleaders!  Addressing problems based on an assessment of future rather than current needs -- bold by any standards -- is an admirable undertaking; the '56 act was and is a crystal-clear example of forward thinking within the field.  The problem is that no such vehicle for expanding upon this impetus exists today.  The last time a truly national effort was made to continue the basic concept was the 1968 Interstate expansion act -- and political pressure, not to mention the vast cost overruns of the Vietnam conflict, resulted in that act being truncated from its original 4200 miles of additional Interstate routes, most of which were trunks, down to 1500 miles.  And five years later the prospects for any additional national omnibus acts like the '68 activity were shut down as part of the Nixon administration's push to shift federally-funded programs away from centralized federal planning, relying on locally-managed "block grants" for fund dispersal.  As part of that shift, language was added to Title 23 (the transportation-related section of the US Code) to specifically require the individual states to instigate any and all Interstate additions.  Also instituted at the time was the "chargeable/non-chargeable" dichotomy, whereby additions beyond the routes outlined in '56 or '68 would not be eligible for the 90% federal share of construction cost, but would instead rely upon the percentage available for FAP (federal-aid-primary) routes -- substantially less.  Absent that higher funding level, states no longer had incentive to seek Interstate status for any future limited-access highway development.

Even with such periodic omnibus federal action starting with ISTEA in 1991, there has been little effort to increase the federal funding level above the 80% maximum level; the political climate since that time has certainly not been favorable to that or similar endeavors.  Even the more ambitious projects or corridors are assembled piecemeal; HPC 5/I-73/74 is certainly one of those far-reaching planning efforts that fits that description.  The full corridor enters 6 states; no two of them are on the same page.  SC, in theory, would like to develop the route to funnel tourists to the Myrtle Beach spending zone (pardon me, recreational destination); but in-state squabbling over whether to fund it, how to fund it, and whether upstate deserves all the state's money has stymied any real progress.  NC, of course, is "gung-ho" re Interstate development, with the various 73 and/or 74 corridors either (a) completed, (b) under construction, or (c) programmed -- no other state has committed this level of resources to this corridor concept.  The situation in VA echoes SC; while technically "programmed", I-73's funding has never been confirmed, again due to in-state politics.  I'll come back to WVA later; since the Kenova (Ohio River) bridge project was sunk back about 2001, Ohio has stepped away from any commitment to development of either I-73 or 74 (the massive public support for an Interstate route to use for OSU-Michigan games never materialized!), while NIMBY opposition in SE Michigan sunk any plans for that state's I-73 portion (despite about 60% of the route being already at or near Interstate standard!).   This puts us back in WVA. 

Of all the original projected HPC 5/I-73/74 corridor, the most difficult terrain, and hence the costliest to deploy, was always in WVA.  As with virtually all newly-minted Interstate routes nationwide, the 80% federal funding is not the issue -- the disincentive for development lies in the remaining 20%, which is derived from state & local sources.  And WVA is, sorry to say, a relatively poor state; its ability to raise the funds needed for major projects such as limited-access highways is severely limited.  The state is fortunate to be criss-crossed by ARC highways, which received an even higher federal funding level than Interstate routes.  The late Sen. Byrd could be counted on to funnel as much money as he could coax out of the federal coffers into the state -- but those times are in the past.  The often-cited plan to tie together strip-mining remnants as the routing for the King Coal highway was at best "dicey" and at worst environmentally criminal!  The fact of the matter is that absent some unforeseen funding influx, there is no way that WVA can afford their share of King Coal construction as an expressway, not to mention an Interstate-grade facility.  There's just not enough ducks in this particular row to render the project feasible in the near term -- corridor connections to either the south or north have never been cast in stone, a finalized route has not yet been fully adopted, and no "cash cow" to replace Sen. Byrd has materialized. 

If even a couple of these "ducks" were to line themselves up (VA planning their I-73 route NW of Roanoke, renewed state interest in finding an efficient & realistic King Coal alignment without relying on "pipedream freebies"), I might change my assessment of the situation.  And while my own pipedreams include a renewal of a new & expanded version of the '68 Interstate addition act, including the full 73/74 corridor (with a few logistic revisions), the current political climate just isn't promising for that prospect.  Right now the "piecemeal" approach to new Interstate development just isn't kind to costlier route segments lacking deep political & financial support.  As several posters have noted, the approach for longer corridors is akin to eating an elephant -- one bite at a time.  Unfortunately, that doesn't bode well for those parts containing gristle & bone, like the King Coal portion of HPC 5.  I wish my assessment could be more positive -- but unfortunately, it isn't.  And the aftermath of the recent WVA flooding is likely to eat into whatever state & federal funding might be available in the short or mid-term.

P.S.:  if someone could devise a way to efficiently reconfigure raw coal into industrial carbon fiber for manufacturing & construction purposes (it's an exhaustive "small-batch" process at present), I might yet see a future for the industry beyond mere rapid oxidation for heat!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 11, 2016, 09:28:07 AM
Quote from: sparker on July 11, 2016, 01:48:50 AM
Re "obstetrical" -- I had no idea that my ideas were giving birth to something!   :)

Would you like an epidural? :rofl:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MazdaStrider on July 11, 2016, 09:42:30 AM
While I applaud WVA and other states for fighting to build I-73 (and I-74), I'd prefer I-73 to start somewhere in WVA (off I-77 or I-64) and end at Myrtle Beach, if not starting somewhere in WVA, it should just start at Roanoke and end at Myrtle Beach. It probably isn't popular choice (it is off the interstate grid, so is I-69 SW of Indianapolis, in which is being built as well and another interstates, so don't get me started about the interstate grid because it is already a mess to start with way before these new interstates were proposed), the point of the new interstate(s) is that it connects (or will connect) three major cities for I-73: (Roanoke, Greensboro and Myrtle Beach) while providing possible economic growth for small cities along the proposed routing (Rocky Mount, Martinsville, Madison, Mayodan, Summerfield, Stokesdale, Asheboro, Rockingham, Bennettsville, Dillon, Marion, Conway, etc will benefit from having a interstate access). We know how many cities I-74 will connect, but it is FOR economic purposes. Also, don't get me started about AADT (because what it is saying on a paper doesn't mean it is always accurate) or how U.S. routes can accomplish the same thing, etc because the cities WANT an interstate.

As of now, I can see money is going to always be a problem now, one week later, a year later or next 20 years. At least they are building I-73/74 using money that they have (even if it is an expressway and then upgrade it later). Eventually the route will be complete one day.


overall, interstates are built to connect cities with cities to provide transportation and economic purposes (among with other benefits) and it is expanding. Have you seen Canada's interstate system? they are expanding as well. That is why I believe this corridor will eventually be built.


Politics SHOULD NOT play a role in building interstates or any other road as it hurts one part of the state and benefits another part of state. It is really sad to watch politics today.

Now that is being said, I-73/74 will be built and be completed.  :colorful:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 11, 2016, 12:18:42 PM
Quote from: MazdaStrider on July 11, 2016, 09:42:30 AMit should just start at Roanoke and end at Myrtle Beach.

I agree, although it would be a miracle if I-73 even reaches Martinsville, much less Roanoke. There's no love for I-73 in NoVA and Richmond except for one vocal state senator, Bill Stanley, who represents the Martinsville region. At least SC is trying to get their part started. They've shown more interest than VA has, even though SC hasn't turned dirt yet. SC is waiting for a federal permit, IIRC. SC has also been having a similar political fight over money spent for I-73 like VA has. Politicians from other parts of SC want to take the money that was reserved for I-73 and fix the existing highways. The Myrtle Beach area didn't take kindly to that.

I-73 in VA is on life support and Bill Stanley is trying desperately to keep it alive, although he's failing miserably at it. He'd be better off asking Ohio and Michigan to built I-73. He might have better luck...

If I were to be brutally honest about it, I would be shocked if I-73 even crossed state lines from NC. With SC seemingly getting stonewalled everytime they're on the verge of getting I-73 started and VA not giving a shit about I-73 except for Bill Stanley and the city of Roanoke (I would add Martinsville, but some of the Henry County supervisors shot themselves in the foot), I don't think I-73 will exist outside of NC. There would have to be major political changes in VA and SC for I-73 to be built in those two states and I don't see that change coming anytime soon. People can call me pessimistic and negative all they want, but at least I'm honest about it and I say that as someone who supports I-73. I just don't wear rose-colored glasses.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 11, 2016, 12:51:23 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 11, 2016, 12:18:42 PM
Quote from: MazdaStrider on July 11, 2016, 09:42:30 AMit should just start at Roanoke and end at Myrtle Beach.

I agree, although it would be a miracle if I-73 even reaches Martinsville, much less Roanoke. There's no love for I-73 in NoVA and Richmond except for one vocal state senator, Bill Stanley, who represents the Martinsville region. At least SC is trying to get their part started. They've shown more interest than VA has, even though SC hasn't turned dirt yet. SC is waiting for a federal permit, IIRC. SC has also been having a similar political fight over money spent for I-73 like VA has. Politicians from other parts of SC want to take the money that was reserved for I-73 and fix the existing highways. The Myrtle Beach area didn't take kindly to that.

I-73 in VA is on life support and Bill Stanley is trying desperately to keep it alive, although he's failing miserably at it. He'd be better off asking Ohio and Michigan to built I-73. He might have better luck...

If I were to be brutally honest about it, I would be shocked if I-73 even crossed state lines from NC. With SC seemingly getting stonewalled everytime they're on the verge of getting I-73 started and VA not giving a shit about I-73 except for Bill Stanley and the city of Roanoke (I would add Martinsville, but some of the Henry County supervisors shot themselves in the foot), I don't think I-73 will exist outside of NC. There would have to be major political changes in VA and SC for I-73 to be built in those two states and I don't see that change coming anytime soon. People can call me pessimistic and negative all they want, but at least I'm honest about it and I say that as someone who supports I-73. I just don't wear rose-colored glasses.


SC did at least got I-73 permit ready to be issued not long ago, which is a good thing:

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/local/article88592432.html

As of Henry County, VA: there is a debate of having the connector road built to serve the Patriot Centre Industry Park, but not as an interstate.. and Stanley is trying to encourage Martinsville Board to switch the I-73 routing from east to west (using the existing US 220 bypass) to reduce costs (in which it should have been to start with).  So far, Stanley have not failed. He was just being neglected. I know this because I went to the meeting there a couple of weeks ago.

Roanoke is just playing a waiting game because the city already has two interstate accesses (I-81 and I-581). That is their advantage over Martinsville.


They are not giving up, so we shouldn't. IF VA decides to drop I-73 for any reason (I am pretty sure the communities would be pissed off), NCDOT still plans to route I-73 up to VA state line sometime after 2025 (and it will end at the state line). But I have the feeling it will at least reach Martinsville before money woes (and politics) catch up with them for like a decade or maybe longer.

One of many reasons I-73 is being ignored by NoVA and Richmond because politicians want money sent to NoVA to try to fix their traffic issues even though they knew SW VA and other parts of the state needs money for their part. That is why on the VDOT website, you see so many projects proposed for NoVA than any other part of the state. Again, like I said it is really sad that politics play their part.


I think I-73 will probably be built as a toll road outside NC, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 11, 2016, 01:12:32 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 11, 2016, 12:51:23 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 11, 2016, 12:18:42 PM
Quote from: MazdaStrider on July 11, 2016, 09:42:30 AMit should just start at Roanoke and end at Myrtle Beach.

I agree, although it would be a miracle if I-73 even reaches Martinsville, much less Roanoke. There's no love for I-73 in NoVA and Richmond except for one vocal state senator, Bill Stanley, who represents the Martinsville region. At least SC is trying to get their part started. They've shown more interest than VA has, even though SC hasn't turned dirt yet. SC is waiting for a federal permit, IIRC. SC has also been having a similar political fight over money spent for I-73 like VA has. Politicians from other parts of SC want to take the money that was reserved for I-73 and fix the existing highways. The Myrtle Beach area didn't take kindly to that.

I-73 in VA is on life support and Bill Stanley is trying desperately to keep it alive, although he's failing miserably at it. He'd be better off asking Ohio and Michigan to built I-73. He might have better luck...

If I were to be brutally honest about it, I would be shocked if I-73 even crossed state lines from NC. With SC seemingly getting stonewalled everytime they're on the verge of getting I-73 started and VA not giving a shit about I-73 except for Bill Stanley and the city of Roanoke (I would add Martinsville, but some of the Henry County supervisors shot themselves in the foot), I don't think I-73 will exist outside of NC. There would have to be major political changes in VA and SC for I-73 to be built in those two states and I don't see that change coming anytime soon. People can call me pessimistic and negative all they want, but at least I'm honest about it and I say that as someone who supports I-73. I just don't wear rose-colored glasses.
One of many reasons I-73 is being ignored by NoVA and Richmond because politicians want money sent to NoVA to try to fix their traffic issues even though they knew SW VA and other parts of the state needs money for their part. That is why on the VDOT website, you see so many projects proposed for NoVA than any other part of the state. Again, like I said it is really sad that politics play their part.

Indeed, which is the biggest reason why I've been skeptical of I-73 ever existing in VA and, to a further extent, I-87 from Hampton Roads to NC. Only 4 out of 11 VA congressmen supported the Raleigh-Norfolk corridor bill to begin with, which is telling. I will say though that I-73 would be more of a benefit to VA than I-87, which benefits NC more. Either way, the political divide is worse in VA than it is in NC. Also, Bill Stanley's I-73 legislation didn't pass the state House of Delegates (no surprise there).

Here's an op-ed that was printed a few days ago in The Roanoke Times regarding I-73: http://www.roanoke.com/opinion/editorials/our-view-i--decision-looms-really/article_b9876bab-0643-5fd8-9312-d03372a8ea36.html (http://www.roanoke.com/opinion/editorials/our-view-i--decision-looms-really/article_b9876bab-0643-5fd8-9312-d03372a8ea36.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 11, 2016, 03:14:29 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 11, 2016, 01:12:32 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 11, 2016, 12:51:23 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 11, 2016, 12:18:42 PM
Quote from: MazdaStrider on July 11, 2016, 09:42:30 AMit should just start at Roanoke and end at Myrtle Beach.

I agree, although it would be a miracle if I-73 even reaches Martinsville, much less Roanoke. There's no love for I-73 in NoVA and Richmond except for one vocal state senator, Bill Stanley, who represents the Martinsville region. At least SC is trying to get their part started. They've shown more interest than VA has, even though SC hasn't turned dirt yet. SC is waiting for a federal permit, IIRC. SC has also been having a similar political fight over money spent for I-73 like VA has. Politicians from other parts of SC want to take the money that was reserved for I-73 and fix the existing highways. The Myrtle Beach area didn't take kindly to that.

I-73 in VA is on life support and Bill Stanley is trying desperately to keep it alive, although he's failing miserably at it. He'd be better off asking Ohio and Michigan to built I-73. He might have better luck...

If I were to be brutally honest about it, I would be shocked if I-73 even crossed state lines from NC. With SC seemingly getting stonewalled everytime they're on the verge of getting I-73 started and VA not giving a shit about I-73 except for Bill Stanley and the city of Roanoke (I would add Martinsville, but some of the Henry County supervisors shot themselves in the foot), I don't think I-73 will exist outside of NC. There would have to be major political changes in VA and SC for I-73 to be built in those two states and I don't see that change coming anytime soon. People can call me pessimistic and negative all they want, but at least I'm honest about it and I say that as someone who supports I-73. I just don't wear rose-colored glasses.
One of many reasons I-73 is being ignored by NoVA and Richmond because politicians want money sent to NoVA to try to fix their traffic issues even though they knew SW VA and other parts of the state needs money for their part. That is why on the VDOT website, you see so many projects proposed for NoVA than any other part of the state. Again, like I said it is really sad that politics play their part.

Indeed, which is the biggest reason why I've been skeptical of I-73 ever existing in VA and, to a further extent, I-87 from Hampton Roads to NC. Only 4 out of 11 VA congressmen supported the Raleigh-Norfolk corridor bill to begin with, which is telling. I will say though that I-73 would be more of a benefit to VA than I-87, which benefits NC more. Either way, the political divide is worse in VA than it is in NC. Also, Bill Stanley's I-73 legislation didn't pass the state House of Delegates (no surprise there).

Here's an op-ed that was printed a few days ago in The Roanoke Times regarding I-73: http://www.roanoke.com/opinion/editorials/our-view-i--decision-looms-really/article_b9876bab-0643-5fd8-9312-d03372a8ea36.html (http://www.roanoke.com/opinion/editorials/our-view-i--decision-looms-really/article_b9876bab-0643-5fd8-9312-d03372a8ea36.html)


This article basically tells us that Roanoke is tired of politics playing hot potato with I-73. Politics in VA knows I-73 will benefit SW VA but they choose to ignore it (other than telling them they have no money while sending money to NoVA).

Me, for one.. is one of these people who don't want I-87 in NC (because it is very pointless since Hampton Roads are already served by I-64 and their children, but again.. NC politics pushed for Raleigh-Norfolk interstate (I-87) to happen and they got their wish).

I am sorry if politics is divided in VA is way worse than NC, but NC politics is just as hypocrites as well. At least they build roads.

Just wait until toll roads are built because many states are broke and make us pay to drive on them. I don't want I-73 (or any future interstates) being built as a toll road, but it is inevitable.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on July 11, 2016, 04:49:05 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 11, 2016, 12:18:42 PM

If I were to be brutally honest about it, I would be shocked if I-73 even crossed state lines from NC. With SC seemingly getting stonewalled everytime they're on the verge of getting I-73 started and VA not giving a shit about I-73 except for Bill Stanley and the city of Roanoke (I would add Martinsville, but some of the Henry County supervisors shot themselves in the foot), I don't think I-73 will exist outside of NC. There would have to be major political changes in VA and SC for I-73 to be built in those two states and I don't see that change coming anytime soon. People can call me pessimistic and negative all they want, but at least I'm honest about it and I say that as someone who supports I-73. I just don't wear rose-colored glasses.

In the current political climate, I can't disagree. However, interstate highways tend to create their own constituencies over time. If NC builds I-73 up to the VA state line and puts up an "END 73" sign right there, that sign creates political pressure to extend the freeway. And if SC can get that 6 miles of I-73 built around Latta, people coming off that road onto US 501 are going to be asking, why doesn't this go to Myrtle Beach?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 11, 2016, 04:49:38 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 11, 2016, 03:14:29 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 11, 2016, 01:12:32 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 11, 2016, 12:51:23 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 11, 2016, 12:18:42 PM
Quote from: MazdaStrider on July 11, 2016, 09:42:30 AMit should just start at Roanoke and end at Myrtle Beach.

I agree, although it would be a miracle if I-73 even reaches Martinsville, much less Roanoke. There's no love for I-73 in NoVA and Richmond except for one vocal state senator, Bill Stanley, who represents the Martinsville region. At least SC is trying to get their part started. They've shown more interest than VA has, even though SC hasn't turned dirt yet. SC is waiting for a federal permit, IIRC. SC has also been having a similar political fight over money spent for I-73 like VA has. Politicians from other parts of SC want to take the money that was reserved for I-73 and fix the existing highways. The Myrtle Beach area didn't take kindly to that.

I-73 in VA is on life support and Bill Stanley is trying desperately to keep it alive, although he's failing miserably at it. He'd be better off asking Ohio and Michigan to built I-73. He might have better luck...

If I were to be brutally honest about it, I would be shocked if I-73 even crossed state lines from NC. With SC seemingly getting stonewalled everytime they're on the verge of getting I-73 started and VA not giving a shit about I-73 except for Bill Stanley and the city of Roanoke (I would add Martinsville, but some of the Henry County supervisors shot themselves in the foot), I don't think I-73 will exist outside of NC. There would have to be major political changes in VA and SC for I-73 to be built in those two states and I don't see that change coming anytime soon. People can call me pessimistic and negative all they want, but at least I'm honest about it and I say that as someone who supports I-73. I just don't wear rose-colored glasses.
One of many reasons I-73 is being ignored by NoVA and Richmond because politicians want money sent to NoVA to try to fix their traffic issues even though they knew SW VA and other parts of the state needs money for their part. That is why on the VDOT website, you see so many projects proposed for NoVA than any other part of the state. Again, like I said it is really sad that politics play their part.

Indeed, which is the biggest reason why I've been skeptical of I-73 ever existing in VA and, to a further extent, I-87 from Hampton Roads to NC. Only 4 out of 11 VA congressmen supported the Raleigh-Norfolk corridor bill to begin with, which is telling. I will say though that I-73 would be more of a benefit to VA than I-87, which benefits NC more. Either way, the political divide is worse in VA than it is in NC. Also, Bill Stanley's I-73 legislation didn't pass the state House of Delegates (no surprise there).

Here's an op-ed that was printed a few days ago in The Roanoke Times regarding I-73: http://www.roanoke.com/opinion/editorials/our-view-i--decision-looms-really/article_b9876bab-0643-5fd8-9312-d03372a8ea36.html (http://www.roanoke.com/opinion/editorials/our-view-i--decision-looms-really/article_b9876bab-0643-5fd8-9312-d03372a8ea36.html)
I am sorry if politics is divided in VA is way worse than NC, but NC politics is just as hypocrites as well. At least they build roads.

You won't get any argument from me there! I grew up in eastern NC just outside of Goldsboro. I'm no stranger to it.  :-D
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 11, 2016, 05:05:53 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on July 11, 2016, 04:49:05 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 11, 2016, 12:18:42 PM

If I were to be brutally honest about it, I would be shocked if I-73 even crossed state lines from NC. With SC seemingly getting stonewalled everytime they're on the verge of getting I-73 started and VA not giving a shit about I-73 except for Bill Stanley and the city of Roanoke (I would add Martinsville, but some of the Henry County supervisors shot themselves in the foot), I don't think I-73 will exist outside of NC. There would have to be major political changes in VA and SC for I-73 to be built in those two states and I don't see that change coming anytime soon. People can call me pessimistic and negative all they want, but at least I'm honest about it and I say that as someone who supports I-73. I just don't wear rose-colored glasses.

In the current political climate, I can't disagree. However, interstate highways tend to create their own constituencies over time. If NC builds I-73 up to the VA state line and puts up an "END 73" sign right there, that sign creates political pressure to extend the freeway. And if SC can get that 6 miles of I-73 built around Latta, people coming off that road onto US 501 are going to be asking, why doesn't this go to Myrtle Beach?

True. But on the other hand, it's not going to be easy to convince others to support building an interstate that ends at the state line of another state that currently shows little to zero interest in doing their part. I could see it working in SC, but VA? Iffy at best. If it works, fantastic. If it doesn't, it would be money wasted that could've went to other projects that NC could've actually benefitted from. One of the biggest hangups here, at the state and especially the local level in Henry County, is that they can't see the forest for the trees. If I had to choose which end of I-73 to work on, I would extend it to SC first before I would VA.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on July 11, 2016, 07:50:25 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 11, 2016, 03:14:29 PM


This article basically tells us that Roanoke is tired of politics playing hot potato with I-73. Politics in VA knows I-73 will benefit SW VA but they choose to ignore it (other than telling them they have no money while sending money to NoVA).



(Emphasis added is mine)

This is mostly bunk...

NoVa (along with Hampton Roads) gets a larger share of transportation $ because they have special Transportation Authorities that exist because the state legislature allows these regions to impose extra Sales Tax, Grantor's Tax, and Transient Occupancy Tax.  This extra tax money is viewed as a pass-through by VDOT on their budget and that money goes right back to these districts and the Authority decides what projects to use it on.  So these places get more money because they pay for it directly and specifically for transportation projects.  In addition, NoVa counties put up as much as 9 figures a year per county to do transportation projects.

Southwestern Virginia already has an I-73-size project going on: Coalfields Expressway, which as of 2013 is estimated to cost between $2.6B and $5.1B depending on how much of the non-traditional construction method they can use (see - http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/Bristol/Coalfields_Expressway_Briefing.pdf).  VDOT's 2016 budget for the entire state is $5.3B.  And their FAQ suggests 20 years to build it all.  Not to mention they are still not done widening US 58 across the bottom.  And I-81 is 50 years old in many places and needs updating.

Money also flows from NoVa to rural areas of Virginia for non-transportation stuff (schools, etc.). 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 11, 2016, 10:24:16 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on July 11, 2016, 04:49:05 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 11, 2016, 12:18:42 PM

If I were to be brutally honest about it, I would be shocked if I-73 even crossed state lines from NC. With SC seemingly getting stonewalled everytime they're on the verge of getting I-73 started and VA not giving a shit about I-73 except for Bill Stanley and the city of Roanoke (I would add Martinsville, but some of the Henry County supervisors shot themselves in the foot), I don't think I-73 will exist outside of NC. There would have to be major political changes in VA and SC for I-73 to be built in those two states and I don't see that change coming anytime soon. People can call me pessimistic and negative all they want, but at least I'm honest about it and I say that as someone who supports I-73. I just don't wear rose-colored glasses.

In the current political climate, I can't disagree. However, interstate highways tend to create their own constituencies over time. If NC builds I-73 up to the VA state line and puts up an "END 73" sign right there, that sign creates political pressure to extend the freeway. And if SC can get that 6 miles of I-73 built around Latta, people coming off that road onto US 501 are going to be asking, why doesn't this go to Myrtle Beach?


Good. that is what needs to be done. NC is going to build I-73 up to VA state line, and south to SC state line as long as fund allows them anyways. Political pressure to extend the freeway is how the people who support new interstates can win the battle (not war). But that isn't always the case, however.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 12, 2016, 09:18:55 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on July 11, 2016, 07:50:25 PMSouthwestern Virginia already has an I-73-size project going on: Coalfields Expressway, which as of 2013 is estimated to cost between $2.6B and $5.1B depending on how much of the non-traditional construction method they can use (see - http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/Bristol/Coalfields_Expressway_Briefing.pdf).  VDOT's 2016 budget for the entire state is $5.3B.  And their FAQ suggests 20 years to build it all.

Can somebody please explain to me how the Coalfields Expressway, in the middle of nowhere in an area that's dirt poor with little civilization that has about as much chance for economic development as US-52 in WV, is worth that kind of investment compared to I-73 in VA that actually connects cities and has a better chance of bringing economic development between Greensboro, the 3rd largest city in NC, and Roanoke, the largest city and economic hub of SW VA with a population nearing 100,000? Because looking at it on paper, it doesn't make a damn bit of sense to me.

People like to bitch about NC building so-called "highways to nowhere"....I don't see how NC could ever top this.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on July 12, 2016, 09:48:38 AM
Here is the 2013 Economic Study for US 121 - http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/CoalfieldsExpressway/Economics_Impact_of_the_Coalfields_Expressway_2013.pdf

Noteworthy is that they come out and say that West Virginia is expected to reap 70% of the overall economic benefit...

Only skimmed through this...they appear to say only service-related jobs would be a given in the future as a result of US 121 and only broadly speculate that other kinds of jobs could be easier to materialize with a better road through this region.

They say it knocks off an hour to get to the Ports of Virginia and they also tout the fact that travel time on VA 83 from Pound to WV would be cut in half, to about an hour.

I'm not a huge fan of this project but Congress made this a high-priority corridor so it has legs from that...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 12, 2016, 11:09:27 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on July 12, 2016, 09:48:38 AM
Here is the 2013 Economic Study for US 121 - http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/CoalfieldsExpressway/Economics_Impact_of_the_Coalfields_Expressway_2013.pdf

Noteworthy is that they come out and say that West Virginia is expected to reap 70% of the overall economic benefit...

Only skimmed through this...they appear to say only service-related jobs would be a given in the future as a result of US 121 and only broadly speculate that other kinds of jobs could be easier to materialize with a better road through this region.

They say it knocks off an hour to get to the Ports of Virginia and they also tout the fact that travel time on VA 83 from Pound to WV would be cut in half, to about an hour.

I'm not a huge fan of this project but Congress made this a high-priority corridor so it has legs from that...


Not a huge fan of that project either because it seems to be built in a middle of nowhere.....
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 12, 2016, 11:19:31 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on July 12, 2016, 09:48:38 AM
Here is the 2013 Economic Study for US 121 - http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/CoalfieldsExpressway/Economics_Impact_of_the_Coalfields_Expressway_2013.pdf

Noteworthy is that they come out and say that West Virginia is expected to reap 70% of the overall economic benefit...

Only skimmed through this...they appear to say only service-related jobs would be a given in the future as a result of US 121 and only broadly speculate that other kinds of jobs could be easier to materialize with a better road through this region.

They say it knocks off an hour to get to the Ports of Virginia and they also tout the fact that travel time on VA 83 from Pound to WV would be cut in half, to about an hour.

I'm not a huge fan of this project but Congress made this a high-priority corridor so it has legs from that...

It just confirms my first impression: a complete waste of money. Of course WV will benefit the most from it since the CFX would end at I-77/I-64. Whatever development that might occur would mostly be near that interchange. The rest of the route? Nope, can't see it. Also, what use would having access to the ports be for the CFX other than for the coal industry, which has been in decline in recent years? It amazes me that VA supports a useless project like this but continues to shit on I-73. :banghead:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on July 12, 2016, 11:58:50 AM
Coal may be in decline but as of 2011 (per pg. 40 of the economic study) coal was still far and away the state of Virginia's largest export...

Their source for that stat in the report (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/state/data/va.html) shows that in 2015 coal is still #2 though the value has come down quite a bit.

This does seem like an awful lot of $ for Virginia to put towards a project that mostly helps WV.  But development could be possible where it crosses US 23 and US 460 which are well-connected to other parts of the world.  But a boondoggle nonetheless.  Imagine what it would cost if they tried to make it an interstate...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 12, 2016, 01:55:06 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on July 12, 2016, 11:58:50 AM
Imagine what it would cost if they tried to make it an interstate...

Shhhh! Don't give them any ideas. :pan:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on July 12, 2016, 02:12:11 PM
Roanoke and Greensboro are already connected by a perfectly good four-lane route. I'll bet the people in Wise, Dickenson, Buchanan, McDowell, Wyoming and western Raleigh counties would love to have a road the quality of existing US 220 to link them. I've said it before and I will continue to say it -- it seems ridiculous to build a new four-lane road parallel to a perfectly fine existing four-lane road when there are other places that would benefit greatly from new construction of a four-lane road.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: SP Cook on July 12, 2016, 03:25:34 PM
What HB said.   SW Virginia (more on that later) remains very physically seperated from the rest of the world.   Projects like 121, 460, 23, and 58 will open that area up.

As to the whole "well Roanoke has this or that".  Virginia is, sad to say, getting more and more run by people that have never been outside NOVA and keep moving SW Virgina east.  Eventually I look for Harrisonburg to be in SW Virginia to these people.  It is 4 hours of hard driving from Roanoke to the Cumberland Gap.  Both the White House and the ocean and Hampton Roads are closer.

To me "SW Virginia" is the part that drains (eventually) to the Tennessee via the Clinch or to the Ohio via the Big Sandy or the New/Kanawha.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 12, 2016, 04:15:56 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on July 12, 2016, 03:25:34 PM
What HB said.   SW Virginia (more on that later) remains very physically seperated from the rest of the world.   Projects like 121, 460, 23, and 58 will open that area up.

As to the whole "well Roanoke has this or that".  Virginia is, sad to say, getting more and more run by people that have never been outside NOVA and keep moving SW Virgina east.  Eventually I look for Harrisonburg to be in SW Virginia to these people.  It is 4 hours of hard driving from Roanoke to the Cumberland Gap.  Both the White House and the ocean and Hampton Roads are closer.

To me "SW Virginia" is the part that drains (eventually) to the Tennessee via the Clinch or to the Ohio via the Big Sandy or the New/Kanawha.

As long as Virginia Tech exists, there will be at least plenty of people in NoVA that have gone as far southwest as the Blacksburg-Christiansburg area.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 12, 2016, 05:53:45 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 12, 2016, 02:12:11 PM
Roanoke and Greensboro are already connected by a perfectly good four-lane route. I'll bet the people in Wise, Dickenson, Buchanan, McDowell, Wyoming and western Raleigh counties would love to have a road the quality of existing US 220 to link them. I've said it before and I will continue to say it -- it seems ridiculous to build a new four-lane road parallel to a perfectly fine existing four-lane road when there are other places that would benefit greatly from new construction of a four-lane road.


Perfectly good four lane route? Sorry.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: seicer on July 13, 2016, 08:07:03 AM
What's wrong with it? It's not interstate quality? That's hardly a qualifier in justifying spending an exorbitant amount of money to build a parallel four-lane route.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Thing 342 on July 13, 2016, 09:33:13 AM
Virginia shouldn't spend a penny on I-73 until I-81 is widened to 3+ lanes between I-66 and I-77. There are much better ways to spend road money in Southwestern Virginia than upgrading a four-lane route that adequately handles the traffic it carries.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: mvak36 on July 13, 2016, 10:27:20 AM
Quote from: Thing 342 on July 13, 2016, 09:33:13 AM
Virginia shouldn't spend a penny on I-73 until I-81 is widened to 3+ lanes between I-66 and I-77. There are much better ways to spend road money in Southwestern Virginia than upgrading a four-lane route that adequately handles the traffic it carries.

I agree. I want to see them 3-lane I-81 first. Are there any plans currently to upgrades parts of that corridor?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MazdaStrider on July 13, 2016, 11:00:18 AM
Quote from: mvak36 on July 13, 2016, 10:27:20 AM
Quote from: Thing 342 on July 13, 2016, 09:33:13 AM
Virginia shouldn't spend a penny on I-73 until I-81 is widened to 3+ lanes between I-66 and I-77. There are much better ways to spend road money in Southwestern Virginia than upgrading a four-lane route that adequately handles the traffic it carries.

I agree. I want to see them 3-lane I-81 first. Are there any plans currently to upgrades parts of that corridor?




Tell that to Richmond. Don't be surprised if they put that off.

As of the plans, last I heard there was a study about it back in 2012. Since then, I don't know. They are improving some areas along I-81 though.

link to the website: http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/corridors/interstate_81_projects.asp
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 13, 2016, 11:25:11 AM
Quote from: MazdaStrider on July 13, 2016, 11:00:18 AM
Quote from: mvak36 on July 13, 2016, 10:27:20 AM
Quote from: Thing 342 on July 13, 2016, 09:33:13 AM
Virginia shouldn't spend a penny on I-73 until I-81 is widened to 3+ lanes between I-66 and I-77. There are much better ways to spend road money in Southwestern Virginia than upgrading a four-lane route that adequately handles the traffic it carries.

I agree. I want to see them 3-lane I-81 first. Are there any plans currently to upgrades parts of that corridor?




Tell that to Richmond. Don't be surprised if they put that off.

As of the plans, last I heard there was a study about it back in 2012. Since then, I don't know. They are improving some areas along I-81 though.

link to the website: http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/corridors/interstate_81_projects.asp

Plus, the last time the idea of widening I-81 was brought up, there was opposition from environmental and historical groups. I haven't heard of any plans to widen I-81 since then (that didn't include tolls), other than that feasibility study. I-81 tends to get the same treatment as I-95 in NC. I-95 is used mainly by long-distance traffic and doesn't directly (indirectly by I-40) serve any economic hubs like the nearby Triangle and I-81 doesn't serve Richmond or NoVA (not directly), so there ya go.

http://www.smartergrowth.net/news-parent/press-releases/depth-of-opposition-grows-to-massive-i-81-widening/ (http://www.smartergrowth.net/news-parent/press-releases/depth-of-opposition-grows-to-massive-i-81-widening/)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: seicer on July 13, 2016, 12:09:27 PM
There is a huge difference in widening by adding an extra lane and overkill, with truck and car lanes, extra lanes... without even considering upgrading a nearby freight line (for instance).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MazdaStrider on July 13, 2016, 12:25:35 PM
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on July 13, 2016, 12:09:27 PM
There is a huge difference in widening by adding an extra lane and overkill, with truck and car lanes, extra lanes... without even considering upgrading a nearby freight line (for instance).


I don't know. I know there are heavy truck traffic on I-81, but if were oppositions on widening I-81 in VA, that is probably why I have not heard of any plans to widen it lately. Yes, I-81 needs widening, but again, traffic usually will still be heavy because trucks usually follow interstates, not US routes. (some of them still uses US routes, but most of them prefer interstates). I-73 will be another interstate between I-77 and I-64 junctions. Believe me when I say this, when I-73 is being built, you will see more traffic using I-73 which can result in reduced traffic along I-81 among other reasons. That is one of the reasons why they want I-73. Somehow they knew a US route is not enough to bring jobs and economy to SW VA who needs to blossom.

Because if US 220 is fine as it is, then they probably don't need I-73. Unfortunately, they have been wanting I-73 for YEARS, which tells us something. I have been to Martinsville and Rocky Mount (cities between Greensboro and Roanoke), and I can see and understand why they want a interstate nearby. I support I-73 because it doesn't only provide a quicker link between Greensboro and Roanoke, but I want to see cities in SW VA expand. Having a interstate access is one of the steps in expanding SW VA area. If I have that kind of money to build I-73, I would do give it to them.

They want I-73 for many years and they deserve to have a interstate running near them.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 13, 2016, 12:27:34 PM
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on July 13, 2016, 08:07:03 AM
What's wrong with it? It's not interstate quality? That's hardly a qualifier in justifying spending an exorbitant amount of money to build a parallel four-lane route.

I wouldn't be opposed to upgrading existing US-220 to I-73, though I'm not sure how feasible it would be to upgrade the entire route. I haven't driven the section from Martinsville to Rocky Mount, but I drove US-220 from Rocky Mount to Roanoke and I hated it. There are sharp curves and steep inclines, numerous businesses and at-grades and the number of semi trucks on the road didn't exactly make for a good combination. It was a pain in the ass. I don't know what the scientific figures are for the truck counts on US-220, but judging from what I encountered, it wasn't too far behind I-81. The road from Rocky Mount to the point it becomes a freeway in Roanoke sure as hell didn't seem "adequate" to me.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 13, 2016, 12:34:35 PM
Quote from: MazdaStrider on July 13, 2016, 12:25:35 PM
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on July 13, 2016, 12:09:27 PM
There is a huge difference in widening by adding an extra lane and overkill, with truck and car lanes, extra lanes... without even considering upgrading a nearby freight line (for instance).


I don't know. I know there are heavy truck traffic on I-81, but if were oppositions on widening I-81 in VA, that is probably why I have not heard of any plans to widen it lately. Yes, I-81 needs widening, but again, traffic usually will still be heavy because trucks usually follow interstates, not US routes. (some of them still uses US routes, but most of them prefer interstates). I-73 will be another interstate between I-77 and I-64 junctions. Believe me when I say this, when I-73 is being built, you will see more traffic using I-73 which can result in reduced traffic along I-81 among other reasons. That is one of the reasons why they want I-73. Somehow they knew a US route is not enough to bring jobs and economy to SW VA who needs to blossom.

Because if US 220 is fine as it is, then they probably don't need I-73. Unfortunately, they have been wanting I-73 for YEARS, which tells us something. I have been to Martinsville and Rocky Mount (cities between Greensboro and Roanoke), and I can see and understand why they want a interstate nearby. I support I-73 because it doesn't only provide a quicker link between Greensboro and Roanoke, but I want to see cities in SW VA expand. Having a interstate access is one of the steps in expanding SW VA area. If I have that kind of money to build I-73, I would do give it to them.

They want I-73 for many years and they deserve to have a interstate running near them.

:clap:. Not to mention that Greensboro would benefit quite a bit from it since it would have a direct interstate link to I-81 and once I-73 is finished in SC, it would have direct acces to I-95 and points south, making Greensboro even more of a transportation hub, similar to Memphis. Too bad the I-83 extension idea along US-29 didn't pan out but that's a different topic.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on July 13, 2016, 01:00:02 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 13, 2016, 12:27:34 PM
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on July 13, 2016, 08:07:03 AM
What's wrong with it? It's not interstate quality? That's hardly a qualifier in justifying spending an exorbitant amount of money to build a parallel four-lane route.

I wouldn't be opposed to upgrading existing US-220 to I-73, though I'm not sure how feasible it would be to upgrade the entire route. I haven't driven the section from Martinsville to Rocky Mount, but I drove US-220 from Rocky Mount to Roanoke and I hated it. There are sharp curves and steep inclines, numerous businesses and at-grades and the number of semi trucks on the road didn't exactly make for a good combination. It was a pain in the ass. I don't know what the scientific figures are for the truck counts on US-220, but judging from what I encountered, it wasn't too far behind I-81. The road from Rocky Mount to the point it becomes a freeway in Roanoke sure as hell didn't seem "adequate" to me.

The 2015 traffic data is out and it shows truck traffic at 12% in the Martinsville area; 10% up through Franklin County; 4% on I-581 (in raw numbers these work out to about 1200-2000 in Martinsville, 1500-2500 up through Franklin County, and about 3000 AADT trucks on I-581).

Compare that to I-81 which is 21% in the Roanoke area (12,000 AADT trucks ballpark); 30% or more from Exit 150 to Staunton (though only about 7k AADT).  I-77 has 25-30% trucks which works out to AADTs of 5-6k.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 13, 2016, 01:26:30 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on July 13, 2016, 01:00:02 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 13, 2016, 12:27:34 PM
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on July 13, 2016, 08:07:03 AM
What's wrong with it? It's not interstate quality? That's hardly a qualifier in justifying spending an exorbitant amount of money to build a parallel four-lane route.

I wouldn't be opposed to upgrading existing US-220 to I-73, though I'm not sure how feasible it would be to upgrade the entire route. I haven't driven the section from Martinsville to Rocky Mount, but I drove US-220 from Rocky Mount to Roanoke and I hated it. There are sharp curves and steep inclines, numerous businesses and at-grades and the number of semi trucks on the road didn't exactly make for a good combination. It was a pain in the ass. I don't know what the scientific figures are for the truck counts on US-220, but judging from what I encountered, it wasn't too far behind I-81. The road from Rocky Mount to the point it becomes a freeway in Roanoke sure as hell didn't seem "adequate" to me.

The 2015 traffic data is out and it shows truck traffic at 12% in the Martinsville area; 10% up through Franklin County; 4% on I-581 (in raw numbers these work out to about 1200-2000 in Martinsville, 1500-2500 up through Franklin County, and about 3000 AADT trucks on I-581).

Compare that to I-81 which is 21% in the Roanoke area (12,000 AADT trucks ballpark); 30% or more from Exit 150 to Staunton (though only about 7k AADT).  I-77 has 25-30% trucks which works out to AADTs of 5-6k.


Do you know why I-77 has 25-30% trucks? because truckers follow interstate. Most of them probably have to drive on interstates all the way from Raleigh, or somewhere southeast.

And you only use AADT to prove anything. It does not prove anything UNLESS you drive on the road itself, which I have multiple times. That is why i don't bother with AADT stuff. Plus, your data came from 2015.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on July 13, 2016, 02:21:07 PM
um...I was only answering a factual question about what the numbers are...

but since you asked...

What year should data be from?  2015 data was just released.

25-30% trucks on I-77 is because not many cars drive it.  The raw truck AADT on I-77 is half of I-81's and the same as I-95 in Fredericksburg (though it is only 12% of total traffic).  So improving I-81 for trucks by adding targeted climbing lanes and fixing up the oldest parts make sense.  I-77 could use some targeted climbing lanes too.

US 220 between Rocky Mount and VA 419 could use upgrading maybe even new alignment.  But this is still well short of needing an entire interstate from Roanoke to Greensboro.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 13, 2016, 02:52:24 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on July 13, 2016, 02:21:07 PM
um...I was only answering a factual question about what the numbers are...

but since you asked...

What year should data be from?  2015 data was just released.

25-30% trucks on I-77 is because not many cars drive it.  The raw truck AADT on I-77 is half of I-81's and the same as I-95 in Fredericksburg (though it is only 12% of total traffic).  So improving I-81 for trucks by adding targeted climbing lanes and fixing up the oldest parts make sense.  I-77 could use some targeted climbing lanes too.

US 220 between Rocky Mount and VA 419 could use upgrading maybe even new alignment.  But this is still well short of needing an entire interstate from Roanoke to Greensboro.



US 220 between Rocky Mount and Roanoke could use upgrading, easily. So it the section from Martinsville to Rocky Mount with a few exceptions along that alignment where a upgrade can work. So is the highway from NC state line to Martinsville. The road itself is dangerous, period. Again, you are missing the point of having an I-73 link between Roanoke and Greensboro.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on July 13, 2016, 04:01:34 PM
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on July 13, 2016, 08:07:03 AM
What's wrong with it? It's not interstate quality? That's hardly a qualifier in justifying spending an exorbitant amount of money to build a parallel four-lane route.

Agreed. Not everything has to be an interstate.

Martinsville and Rocky Mount, Va. are already in possession of easier access to an interstate than are, say, Welch or Iaeger or Pineville, WV.

As for widening I-81 and environmental impacts, seems to me that adding lanes in the median would have very little impact.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on July 13, 2016, 04:58:01 PM
Not everything has to be an interstate? Tell that to Texas and North Carolina!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 13, 2016, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 13, 2016, 04:58:01 PM
Not everything has to be an interstate? Tell that to Texas and North Carolina!

I-73 and the I-69/I-74 extensions were designated by Congress. I'm not too familiar with Texas, but here's the lowdown with NC:

Future I-42 follows the heavily traveled US-70 corridor in eastern NC connecting military bases (Seymour Johnson AFB and Cherry Point MCAS), the Global TransPark and the Port of Morehead City to I-95 and I-40.

Future I-885, combined with part of NC-540, provides a north-south route through the heart of the Triangle, which is one of the fastest growing metros in the US, and connects Research Triangle Park to I-85 and the Northeast.

Future I-285 links Winston-Salem and the remainder of the Triad not directly served by I-85 with I-85 and points south such as Charlotte and Atlanta.

Future I-295 in Fayetteville will provide a direct connection to Fort Bragg from I-95 without having to go through downtown Fayetteville.

The future extension of I-795 from Goldsboro to I-40 near Faison along the US-117 corridor provides a direct connection to Wilmington from I-95 and points north of Wilson and will serve as a shortcut for trucks coming to and from the Port of Wilmington from I-95 and points north, which will help reduce truck traffic on I-95 between Benson and Wilson.

Future I-87 will connect the Triangle and Hampton Roads, although I understand it's criticism due to it's routing.

Now, I'll admit that I-785 between Greensboro and Danville isn't necessary. There's nothing in Danville that warrants an interstate by itself. Only an extension of I-83 (which obviously isn't gonna happen) would make upgrading US-29 worth it since it would've been a great alternative to the parking lot the congested section of I-95 between Richmond and DC.

So, other than questionable I-87 and useless I-785, which of those corridors in NC doesn't warrant interstate status?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 13, 2016, 06:28:16 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 13, 2016, 04:01:34 PM
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on July 13, 2016, 08:07:03 AM
What's wrong with it? It's not interstate quality? That's hardly a qualifier in justifying spending an exorbitant amount of money to build a parallel four-lane route.

Agreed. Not everything has to be an interstate.

Martinsville and Rocky Mount, Va. are already in possession of easier access to an interstate than are, say, Welch or Iaeger or Pineville, WV.

As for widening I-81 and environmental impacts, seems to me that adding lanes in the median would have very little impact.



Seeing you're from Kentucky, you can tell them that since they're turning their parkways into interstates. Their parkways are in a better shape than US 220. If you are fine with them building I-69, then your argument is invalid.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on July 13, 2016, 07:21:39 PM
How is his argument invalid.  Yes, some parkways are being incorporated into I-69, and there is the now-dead I-66 proposal, but other than those, I'm not aware of any other proposals to incorporate Kentucky parkways into interstates with the exception of the ones originating from the mayor of Owensboro.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 13, 2016, 07:30:34 PM
Quote from: vdeane on July 13, 2016, 07:21:39 PM
How is his argument invalid.  Yes, some parkways are being incorporated into I-69, and there is the now-dead I-66 proposal, but other than those, I'm not aware of any other proposals to incorporate Kentucky parkways into interstates with the exception of the ones originating from the mayor of Owensboro.


His argument is that not everything needs to be an interstate. again, see Kentucky and I-69 (i also hear they are planning I-565 and I-67). See I-41. See I-49. See the proposed I-11. Even Texas is trying to have I-14 running across the state. Interstates are going to get built whether we like it or not. Get over it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 13, 2016, 07:35:27 PM
Back to I-73 topic:

Here is the update on the construction of I-73 north of Greensboro (I didn't take pictures because the crew were working while I drove by):

Exit 107: (I-73/I-840/Bryan Blvd interchange): They are working on extending I-840 up north past the interchange, but on the I-73 north ramp, they are almost done with the widening of the ramp to I-73 North from 2 to 3 lanes (all they have to do is put asphalt on the road itself and they just started when I crossed the road on Inman Rd. overpass (the overpass is complete and open to traffic).

PTI Taxiway area: The taxiway area is nearly finished. You can now see the taxiway when you drive down the ramp from Old Oak Ridge Rd to Bryan Blvd west (future I-73), the roadway is still under construction, however.

Exit 110 interchange (NC 68 South): No changes so far. They are still working on relocating Pleasant Ridge Rd before more work can be done on the interchange itself.

Exit 111 interchange (NC 68 North): They are adding bridge decks to the I-73 bridge across NC 68.

Alcorn Rd. overpass: The bridge is complete and traffic rerouted to it. They cleaned up the old alignment and removed it. They are working on grading I-73 lanes under the bridge.

Bunch Rd. overpass: The bridge is almost done. (3/4 complete) They also started working on rerouting Bunch Rd. traffic by grading the new road on both approaches to the bridge.

Brookbank Rd. overpass and Reddy Fork River bridges: As of Brookbank Rd. overpass, they have not started, but they cleared the hill and the grading is visible when I drove past it. They also finished grading the approaches to the bridge on Brookbank Rd.

As of the Reddy Fork River bridges, the southbound lanes bridge is nearly done as they just finished covering the bridge deck with concrete. The northbound lanes bridge still have bridge piers, but they're about to switch work from the southbound bridge to northbound bridge soon though.

Exit 116: NC 150 interchange: (1/4 complete) That is where they are doing a heavy road work. They're building the bridge and within a week, the bridge piers are already finished. They're working on the bridge supporters, which looks 3/4 complete. They also worked on grading I-73 lanes, facing north.

Deboe Rd. overpass: the bridge is complete, but traffic have not been rerouted yet. If you stand near the overpass and look up north, with the distance, you can see US 220 South flyover bridge ahead. They are working on grading the I-73 lanes.

Exit 119: US 220 interchange: The interchange is complete, so the only thing they need to do is put the asphalt on the I-73 lanes.

Exit 120: US 158 interchange: (3/4 complete) They are working on grading the northbound lanes of I-73 and the US 158 off ramp from I-73. They also are putting up stoplights at the end of the ramp from I-73 to US 158 on both sides.

Guilford/Rockingham County line: They have not started grading the southbound lanes of I-73. but a very little grading can be noticed.

Exit 122: NC 65 interchange: The interchange is 3/4 complete, because the bridge is complete, but traffic have not been rerouted to cross the highway via the bridge. They are still working on grading the southbound lanes of I-73 and the off ramp to NC 65 just north of the interchange.

Exit 123: NC 68 partial interchange: (1/4 complete) They are almost finished with building the bridge supporters, so a few things they need to do is: 1. put up the bridge deck, 2. finish grading I-73 southbound lanes north and south of the bridge, and 3. reconnect NC 68 northbound lane to I-73/US 220 lanes... it seems like they are working on relocating the future northbound ramp a little west to the current temporary US 220 lanes.

I don't know of the progress on the south part of I-73 and I-74 near Rockingham. Maybe someone can tell us.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on July 13, 2016, 07:56:43 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 13, 2016, 07:30:34 PM
Quote from: vdeane on July 13, 2016, 07:21:39 PM
How is his argument invalid.  Yes, some parkways are being incorporated into I-69, and there is the now-dead I-66 proposal, but other than those, I'm not aware of any other proposals to incorporate Kentucky parkways into interstates with the exception of the ones originating from the mayor of Owensboro.


His argument is that not everything needs to be an interstate. again, see Kentucky and I-69 (i also hear they are planning I-565 and I-67). See I-41. See I-49. See the proposed I-11. Even Texas is trying to have I-14 running across the state. Interstates are going to get built whether we like it or not. Get over it.

Well...since HB thought I-66 across E. Kentucky wasn't a good idea for the same reason he gives for not being a fan of I-73, I'd say his argument is pretty consistent.  This is reply #8 to this thread from him:  https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17181.0

QuoteSaw a story today that indicates I-66 is dead in Kentucky. I would expect that the Cumberland Parkway (northeast bypass of Somerset) extension to KY 80 will be done at some point, but that may be it. And really, that makes sense. Building a four-lane through eastern Pike County to enter West Virginia near Matewan makes no sense after US 119 was four-laned just a few miles north of where the new route would go. The state is building a new route to connect KY 80 near the Knott-Floyd county line with US 23 near the Floyd-Pike line, which will cut down on the travel time between Hazard and Pikeville. Kentucky just made a huge cut to its transportation budget because of declining gas tax revenues and the legislature failed to shore up the gas tax floor in time. Unless I-66 is 100 percent federally funded, it's probably not going to happen despite what Hal Rogers wants.

Some interstates may or may not get built quickly or at all...we should get over that, too.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on July 13, 2016, 07:57:28 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 13, 2016, 07:30:34 PM
Quote from: vdeane on July 13, 2016, 07:21:39 PM
How is his argument invalid.  Yes, some parkways are being incorporated into I-69, and there is the now-dead I-66 proposal, but other than those, I'm not aware of any other proposals to incorporate Kentucky parkways into interstates with the exception of the ones originating from the mayor of Owensboro.


His argument is that not everything needs to be an interstate. again, see Kentucky and I-69 (i also hear they are planning I-565 and I-67). See I-41. See I-49. See the proposed I-11. Even Texas is trying to have I-14 running across the state. Interstates are going to get built whether we like it or not. Get over it.
There is a middle ground in between "let's never built any interstates ever" (what you claim HB Elkins and myself are saying, even though we aren't) and spamming them out like Texas, North Carolina, and FrtizOwl like to do.  I support parts of I-11, I-69, and I-73, and would like to see I-86 and I-99 both get finished (even though they're now as likely to get done as an interstate along US 11 in northern NY, which I also support but is never going to happen).  I-74 strikes me as redundant and has resulted in a duplicate interstate number.  I-87 is similar.  I don't know enough about I-42 to form a strong opinion on it, but NC's interstate grid does seem to be getting quite dense.  I also don't support the suffixed interstate nonsense in southern Texas (seriously, they probably don't even need three freeways there, much less three interstates, and definitely three I-69s... can't they just leave two of them as US routes?).

And, of course, just because something is congressionally designated doesn't mean it will actually get built.  Just look at I-74 outside of the Carolinas.  I doubt the feds have the ability of will to force a state to build a road.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 13, 2016, 07:57:42 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 13, 2016, 07:30:34 PM
Quote from: vdeane on July 13, 2016, 07:21:39 PM
How is his argument invalid.  Yes, some parkways are being incorporated into I-69, and there is the now-dead I-66 proposal, but other than those, I'm not aware of any other proposals to incorporate Kentucky parkways into interstates with the exception of the ones originating from the mayor of Owensboro.


see Kentucky and I-69 (i also hear they are planning I-565 and I-67).

I-67 isn't being built, although a study was done. But you're right that most of Kentucky's parkways are planned for interstate status. There's also the most recent I-169 proposal (which passed the Senate) introduced in Congress by Sen. Rand Paul for the remainder of the Pennyrile Parkway from I-69 near Mortons Gap to I-24 near Hopkinsville.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 13, 2016, 07:59:26 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 13, 2016, 07:35:27 PM
Back to I-73 topic:

Here is the update on the construction of I-73 north of Greensboro (I didn't take pictures because the crew were working while I drove by):

Exit 107: (I-73/I-840/Bryan Blvd interchange): They are working on extending I-840 up north past the interchange, but on the I-73 north ramp, they are almost done with the widening of the ramp to I-73 North from 2 to 3 lanes (all they have to do is put asphalt on the road itself and they just started when I crossed the road on Inman Rd. overpass (the overpass is complete and open to traffic).

PTI Taxiway area: The taxiway area is nearly finished. You can now see the taxiway when you drive down the ramp from Old Oak Ridge Rd to Bryan Blvd west (future I-73), the roadway is still under construction, however.

Exit 110 interchange (NC 68 South): No changes so far. They are still working on relocating Pleasant Ridge Rd before more work can be done on the interchange itself.

Exit 111 interchange (NC 68 North): They are adding bridge decks to the I-73 bridge across NC 68.

Alcorn Rd. overpass: The bridge is complete and traffic rerouted to it. They cleaned up the old alignment and removed it. They are working on grading I-73 lanes under the bridge.

Bunch Rd. overpass: The bridge is almost done. (3/4 complete) They also started working on rerouting Bunch Rd. traffic by grading the new road on both approaches to the bridge.

Brookbank Rd. overpass and Reddy Fork River bridges: As of Brookbank Rd. overpass, they have not started, but they cleared the hill and the grading is visible when I drove past it. They also finished grading the approaches to the bridge on Brookbank Rd.

As of the Reddy Fork River bridges, the southbound lanes bridge is nearly done as they just finished covering the bridge deck with concrete. The northbound lanes bridge still have bridge piers, but they're about to switch work from the southbound bridge to northbound bridge soon though.

Exit 116: NC 150 interchange: (1/4 complete) That is where they are doing a heavy road work. They're building the bridge and within a week, the bridge piers are already finished. They're working on the bridge supporters, which looks 3/4 complete. They also worked on grading I-73 lanes, facing north.

Deboe Rd. overpass: the bridge is complete, but traffic have not been rerouted yet. If you stand near the overpass and look up north, with the distance, you can see US 220 South flyover bridge ahead. They are working on grading the I-73 lanes.

Exit 119: US 220 interchange: The interchange is complete, so the only thing they need to do is put the asphalt on the I-73 lanes.

Exit 120: US 158 interchange: (3/4 complete) They are working on grading the northbound lanes of I-73 and the US 158 off ramp from I-73. They also are putting up stoplights at the end of the ramp from I-73 to US 158 on both sides.

Guilford/Rockingham County line: They have not started grading the southbound lanes of I-73. but a very little grading can be noticed.

Exit 122: NC 65 interchange: The interchange is 3/4 complete, because the bridge is complete, but traffic have not been rerouted to cross the highway via the bridge. They are still working on grading the southbound lanes of I-73 and the off ramp to NC 65 just north of the interchange.

Exit 123: NC 68 partial interchange: (1/4 complete) They are almost finished with building the bridge supporters, so a few things they need to do is: 1. put up the bridge deck, 2. finish grading I-73 southbound lanes north and south of the bridge, and 3. reconnect NC 68 northbound lane to I-73/US 220 lanes... it seems like they are working on relocating the future northbound ramp a little west to the current temporary US 220 lanes.

I don't know of the progress on the south part of I-73 and I-74 near Rockingham. Maybe someone can tell us.

Thanks for the update. I think I-73 from Bryan Boulevard to US-220 is supposed to open in December if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 13, 2016, 08:27:52 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 13, 2016, 07:59:26 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 13, 2016, 07:35:27 PM
Back to I-73 topic:

Here is the update on the construction of I-73 north of Greensboro (I didn't take pictures because the crew were working while I drove by):

Exit 107: (I-73/I-840/Bryan Blvd interchange): They are working on extending I-840 up north past the interchange, but on the I-73 north ramp, they are almost done with the widening of the ramp to I-73 North from 2 to 3 lanes (all they have to do is put asphalt on the road itself and they just started when I crossed the road on Inman Rd. overpass (the overpass is complete and open to traffic).

PTI Taxiway area: The taxiway area is nearly finished. You can now see the taxiway when you drive down the ramp from Old Oak Ridge Rd to Bryan Blvd west (future I-73), the roadway is still under construction, however.

Exit 110 interchange (NC 68 South): No changes so far. They are still working on relocating Pleasant Ridge Rd before more work can be done on the interchange itself.

Exit 111 interchange (NC 68 North): They are adding bridge decks to the I-73 bridge across NC 68.

Alcorn Rd. overpass: The bridge is complete and traffic rerouted to it. They cleaned up the old alignment and removed it. They are working on grading I-73 lanes under the bridge.

Bunch Rd. overpass: The bridge is almost done. (3/4 complete) They also started working on rerouting Bunch Rd. traffic by grading the new road on both approaches to the bridge.

Brookbank Rd. overpass and Reddy Fork River bridges: As of Brookbank Rd. overpass, they have not started, but they cleared the hill and the grading is visible when I drove past it. They also finished grading the approaches to the bridge on Brookbank Rd.

As of the Reddy Fork River bridges, the southbound lanes bridge is nearly done as they just finished covering the bridge deck with concrete. The northbound lanes bridge still have bridge piers, but they're about to switch work from the southbound bridge to northbound bridge soon though.

Exit 116: NC 150 interchange: (1/4 complete) That is where they are doing a heavy road work. They're building the bridge and within a week, the bridge piers are already finished. They're working on the bridge supporters, which looks 3/4 complete. They also worked on grading I-73 lanes, facing north.

Deboe Rd. overpass: the bridge is complete, but traffic have not been rerouted yet. If you stand near the overpass and look up north, with the distance, you can see US 220 South flyover bridge ahead. They are working on grading the I-73 lanes.

Exit 119: US 220 interchange: The interchange is complete, so the only thing they need to do is put the asphalt on the I-73 lanes.

Exit 120: US 158 interchange: (3/4 complete) They are working on grading the northbound lanes of I-73 and the US 158 off ramp from I-73. They also are putting up stoplights at the end of the ramp from I-73 to US 158 on both sides.

Guilford/Rockingham County line: They have not started grading the southbound lanes of I-73. but a very little grading can be noticed.

Exit 122: NC 65 interchange: The interchange is 3/4 complete, because the bridge is complete, but traffic have not been rerouted to cross the highway via the bridge. They are still working on grading the southbound lanes of I-73 and the off ramp to NC 65 just north of the interchange.

Exit 123: NC 68 partial interchange: (1/4 complete) They are almost finished with building the bridge supporters, so a few things they need to do is: 1. put up the bridge deck, 2. finish grading I-73 southbound lanes north and south of the bridge, and 3. reconnect NC 68 northbound lane to I-73/US 220 lanes... it seems like they are working on relocating the future northbound ramp a little west to the current temporary US 220 lanes.

I don't know of the progress on the south part of I-73 and I-74 near Rockingham. Maybe someone can tell us.

Thanks for the update. I think I-73 from Bryan Boulevard to US-220 is supposed to open in December if I'm not mistaken.


Yeah they are supposed to be opening mid December. However, based on my observations, I won't be surprised if they have to move the completion date to sometime in 2017. They are working on it as fast as they could.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 13, 2016, 08:36:26 PM
Quote from: vdeane on July 13, 2016, 07:57:28 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 13, 2016, 07:30:34 PM
Quote from: vdeane on July 13, 2016, 07:21:39 PM
How is his argument invalid.  Yes, some parkways are being incorporated into I-69, and there is the now-dead I-66 proposal, but other than those, I'm not aware of any other proposals to incorporate Kentucky parkways into interstates with the exception of the ones originating from the mayor of Owensboro.


His argument is that not everything needs to be an interstate. again, see Kentucky and I-69 (i also hear they are planning I-565 and I-67). See I-41. See I-49. See the proposed I-11. Even Texas is trying to have I-14 running across the state. Interstates are going to get built whether we like it or not. Get over it.
I don't know enough about I-42 to form a strong opinion on it, but NC's interstate grid does seem to be getting quite dense.

I-42 is definitely warranted and it couldn't come soon enough. The US-70 corridor from it's junction with I-40 near Garner just outside of Raleigh to Morehead City that I-42 will follow is the most heavily traveled highway in eastern NC and the non-freeway segments have seen numerous horrific crashes over the years and there many traffic lights and at-grades, especially from the Clayton Bypass to Kinston, (except for Goldsboro, whose bypass recently opened). There are also two military bases along the corridor, Seymour Johnson AFB in Goldsboro and Cherry Point Marine Corps Air Station in Havelock. There's also a port in Morehead City. It's also used as a hurricane evacuation route for residents and tourists on along the coast.

This should bring you up to speed:

http://www.super70corridor.com/ (http://www.super70corridor.com/)

https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/US70corridor/ (https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/US70corridor/)

You can also check out the I-42 thread for updates:

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=18287.0 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=18287.0)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on July 14, 2016, 02:27:58 PM
There are two different arguments here in which my name is being taken in vain.

One is the renumbering of existing freeways as interstates, which I support whenever possible. The other is building all new four-lane highways as limited-access, interstate-grade freeways, which I don't support, especially if one of those roads is not needed because it would parallel an existing four-lane route that functions just fine.

I've got no problem with renumbering every Kentucky parkway as an interstate. Those roads are already in existence and function as de facto interstates, although the average motorist can't tell the difference between them and an existing interstate and the money that has to be spent to bring them up to current standards (longer merge lanes, etc.) could be better spent elsewhere without impacting functionality.

At any rate, it's a whole lot cheaper to make a few changes to the Audubon Parkway and call it I-369 than it is to build a freeway parallel to US 220 between Martinsville and Roanoke.

Quote from: Strider on July 13, 2016, 06:28:16 PM
Seeing you're from Kentucky, you can tell them that since they're turning their parkways into interstates. Their parkways are in a better shape than US 220. If you are fine with them building I-69, then your argument is invalid.

They're not building new four-lane highways parallel to existing four-lane highways. Improvements are being made to existing four-lane highways. Huge difference. A better comparison would be if some spot improvements were being made to US 220, which would be OK.

And as someone mentioned elsewhere, I-69 is something Congress is pushing and promoting. Kentucky would have been fine with leaving the WK/Pennyrile interchange the way it was.

It just doesn't make good sense to build a new four-lane road next to a perfectly good four-lane road that adequately serves traffic.

And as I'm fond of saying, not everything needs to be an interstate. The Kentucky parkways were already built as freeways. If they were being built today as free routes, not toll routes, there's no reason they shouldn't be four-lane surface routes. That's why I think the freeway-ization of the length of US 31 north of Indy is such a waste of money. The road was, and is, perfectly fine as a surface route. Sure, bypass Kokomo, but the rest is overkill.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 14, 2016, 03:21:04 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 14, 2016, 02:27:58 PM
There are two different arguments here in which my name is being taken in vain.

One is the renumbering of existing freeways as interstates, which I support whenever possible. The other is building all new four-lane highways as limited-access, interstate-grade freeways, which I don't support, especially if one of those roads is not needed because it would parallel an existing four-lane route that functions just fine.

I've got no problem with renumbering every Kentucky parkway as an interstate. Those roads are already in existence and function as de facto interstates, although the average motorist can't tell the difference between them and an existing interstate and the money that has to be spent to bring them up to current standards (longer merge lanes, etc.) could be better spent elsewhere without impacting functionality.

At any rate, it's a whole lot cheaper to make a few changes to the Audubon Parkway and call it I-369 than it is to build a freeway parallel to US 220 between Martinsville and Roanoke.

Quote from: Strider on July 13, 2016, 06:28:16 PM
Seeing you're from Kentucky, you can tell them that since they're turning their parkways into interstates. Their parkways are in a better shape than US 220. If you are fine with them building I-69, then your argument is invalid.

They're not building new four-lane highways parallel to existing four-lane highways. Improvements are being made to existing four-lane highways. Huge difference. A better comparison would be if some spot improvements were being made to US 220, which would be OK.

And as someone mentioned elsewhere, I-69 is something Congress is pushing and promoting. Kentucky would have been fine with leaving the WK/Pennyrile interchange the way it was.

It just doesn't make good sense to build a new four-lane road next to a perfectly good four-lane road that adequately serves traffic.

And as I'm fond of saying, not everything needs to be an interstate. The Kentucky parkways were already built as freeways. If they were being built today as free routes, not toll routes, there's no reason they shouldn't be four-lane surface routes. That's why I think the freeway-ization of the length of US 31 north of Indy is such a waste of money. The road was, and is, perfectly fine as a surface route. Sure, bypass Kokomo, but the rest is overkill.


You're still missing something: I-69 is not the only route Congress is pushing. I-11, I-14, I-73 and I-74 says hi.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 14, 2016, 03:25:13 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 14, 2016, 02:27:58 PM
At any rate, it's a whole lot cheaper to make a few changes to the Audubon Parkway and call it I-369 than it is to build a freeway parallel to US 220 between Martinsville and Roanoke.

I don't think anybody is opposed to upgrading US-220. I'm just not sure how feasible it is. It might be doable between Martinsville and Rocky Mount, but between Rocky Mount and the beginning of the current US-220 freeway in Roanoke is a different story. Between the steep hills, sharp curves and numerous businesses, it would be a near impossible feat to upgrade that section of US-220 to interstate standards. If VA finally decides to build I-73, they may not have a choice but to build a new alignment between Rocky Mount and the existing freeway in Roanoke.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on July 14, 2016, 03:40:11 PM
Are "Strider" and "MazdaStrider" the same person? Because I have seen both names post in this forum.




Quote
You're still missing something: I-69 is not the only route Congress is pushing. I-11, I-14, I-73 and I-74 says hi.

And West Virginia is building its segments of "I-73/I-74" as surface expressways, not full-freeway interstates -- what little they are building.

Quote from: LM117 on July 14, 2016, 03:25:13 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 14, 2016, 02:27:58 PM
At any rate, it's a whole lot cheaper to make a few changes to the Audubon Parkway and call it I-369 than it is to build a freeway parallel to US 220 between Martinsville and Roanoke.

I don't think anybody is opposed to upgrading US-220. I'm just not sure how feasible it is. It might be doable between Martinsville and Rocky Mount, but between Rocky Mount and the beginning of the current US-220 freeway in Roanoke is a different story. Between the steep hills, sharp curves and numerous businesses, it would be a near impossible feat to upgrade that section of US-220 to interstate standards. If VA finally decides to build I-73, they may not have a choice but to build a new alignment between Rocky Mount and the existing freeway in Roanoke.

Who said it had to be interstate standards? Keep it a surface route, just straighten out a few hills and curves, turn some intersections into RIROs, make a few upgrades here and there. That corridor doesn't need to be a full freeway. That's my whole point. I'd be thrilled with a road the quality of existing US 220 just about anywhere in eastern Kentucky or southwestern West Virginia.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 14, 2016, 04:02:57 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 14, 2016, 03:40:11 PM
Are "Strider" and "MazdaStrider" the same person? Because I have seen both names post in this forum.




Quote
You're still missing something: I-69 is not the only route Congress is pushing. I-11, I-14, I-73 and I-74 says hi.

And West Virginia is building its segments of "I-73/I-74" as surface expressways, not full-freeway interstates -- what little they are building.

Quote from: LM117 on July 14, 2016, 03:25:13 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 14, 2016, 02:27:58 PM
At any rate, it's a whole lot cheaper to make a few changes to the Audubon Parkway and call it I-369 than it is to build a freeway parallel to US 220 between Martinsville and Roanoke.

I don't think anybody is opposed to upgrading US-220. I'm just not sure how feasible it is. It might be doable between Martinsville and Rocky Mount, but between Rocky Mount and the beginning of the current US-220 freeway in Roanoke is a different story. Between the steep hills, sharp curves and numerous businesses, it would be a near impossible feat to upgrade that section of US-220 to interstate standards. If VA finally decides to build I-73, they may not have a choice but to build a new alignment between Rocky Mount and the existing freeway in Roanoke.

Who said it had to be interstate standards? Keep it a surface route, just straighten out a few hills and curves, turn some intersections into RIROs, make a few upgrades here and there. That corridor doesn't need to be a full freeway. That's my whole point. I'd be thrilled with a road the quality of existing US 220 just about anywhere in eastern Kentucky or southwestern West Virginia.



You're still missing the point.

Now, what is the update on the I-73/74 road construction near Rockingham County in NC? Does everyone know of it?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 14, 2016, 05:33:17 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 14, 2016, 04:02:57 PM
Now, what is the update on the I-73/74 road construction near Rockingham County in NC? Does everyone know of it?

I think you meant the town of Rockingham. Anyway, according to NCDOT"s progress report (TIP: R-3421C), it's actual progress is 48.64 percent complete. It's apparently behind schedule since it's scheduled progress is 67 percent complete. It's completion date is March 30, 2018.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 14, 2016, 06:21:46 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 14, 2016, 05:33:17 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 14, 2016, 04:02:57 PM
Now, what is the update on the I-73/74 road construction near Rockingham County in NC? Does everyone know of it?

I think you meant the town of Rockingham. Anyway, according to NCDOT"s progress report (TIP: R-3421C), it's actual progress is 48.64 percent complete. It's apparently behind schedule since it's scheduled progress is 67 percent complete. It's completion date is March 30, 2018.




Lol yeah, I mean the town of Rockingham. Sorry, thanks for updating :)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on July 14, 2016, 07:38:02 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 14, 2016, 04:02:57 PM
You're still missing the point.

OK, I'll play along, o enlightened one. What is the point?




If a new interstate-quality freeway is needed between Martinsville and Roanoke, then one is also needed along the following corridors in Virginia:

Danville to Gainesville (via Lynchburg, Charlottesville and Culpeper)
Roanoke to Petersburg
Martinsville to Norfolk
Abingdon to Bluefield
Abingdon to Norton
The Tennessee state line near Kingsport/Gate City to the Kentucky state line near Pound/Jenkins

What? Those corridors already have four-lane routes?

Boom. Game, set, match. Case closed.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 14, 2016, 08:21:33 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 14, 2016, 07:38:02 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 14, 2016, 04:02:57 PM
You're still missing the point.

OK, I'll play along, o enlightened one. What is the point?




If a new interstate-quality freeway is needed between Martinsville and Roanoke, then one is also needed along the following corridors in Virginia:

Danville to Gainesville (via Lynchburg, Charlottesville and Culpeper)
Roanoke to Petersburg
Martinsville to Norfolk
Abingdon to Bluefield
Abingdon to Norton
The Tennessee state line near Kingsport/Gate City to the Kentucky state line near Pound/Jenkins

What? Those corridors already have four-lane routes?

Boom. Game, set, match. Case closed.


Once again, you miss the point. That is okay. Moving on back to I-73 topic.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on July 14, 2016, 09:49:10 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 14, 2016, 08:21:33 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 14, 2016, 07:38:02 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 14, 2016, 04:02:57 PM
You're still missing the point.

OK, I'll play along, o enlightened one. What is the point?




If a new interstate-quality freeway is needed between Martinsville and Roanoke, then one is also needed along the following corridors in Virginia:

Danville to Gainesville (via Lynchburg, Charlottesville and Culpeper)
Roanoke to Petersburg
Martinsville to Norfolk
Abingdon to Bluefield
Abingdon to Norton
The Tennessee state line near Kingsport/Gate City to the Kentucky state line near Pound/Jenkins

What? Those corridors already have four-lane routes?

Boom. Game, set, match. Case closed.



Once again, you miss the point. That is okay. Moving on back to I-73 topic.

Quite frankly, I don't think anyone knows what your point is.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on July 14, 2016, 10:54:33 PM
I certainly don't know what the point is, despite a request above to have it made to me.

He's trying to defend the need to build a second four-lane corridor between Martinsville and Roanoke that I quite frankly don't see the need for.

In one of the emails he sent me starting this afternoon, which I will probably post here, he basically said, "Well, someone in Virginia wants it so I want it too." Which makes no sense. Kentucky's four-laning the Mountain Parkway and I'm not in support of that because I don't see the need for it.

He's also calling me a hypocrite because I am in favor of putting interstate route markers up on Kentucky's existing former toll-road freeways but don't support building a redundant four-lane route between Martinsville and Roanoke. There's a big difference between putting up new signs on an existing road and building an entirely new road. Of course, I think it's ridiculous that the feds are requiring small upgrades to the Kentucky parkways when most motorists couldn't tell the difference between them and a rural four-lane interstate, and they are probably closer to modern standards than any number of existing interstates (I-70 between Washington and New Stanton, or I-68 through Cumberland, just to name two.)

I'm all ears as to the point I'm missing.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 14, 2016, 11:32:50 PM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on July 14, 2016, 09:49:10 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 14, 2016, 08:21:33 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 14, 2016, 07:38:02 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 14, 2016, 04:02:57 PM
You're still missing the point.

OK, I'll play along, o enlightened one. What is the point?




If a new interstate-quality freeway is needed between Martinsville and Roanoke, then one is also needed along the following corridors in Virginia:

Danville to Gainesville (via Lynchburg, Charlottesville and Culpeper)
Roanoke to Petersburg
Martinsville to Norfolk
Abingdon to Bluefield
Abingdon to Norton
The Tennessee state line near Kingsport/Gate City to the Kentucky state line near Pound/Jenkins

What? Those corridors already have four-lane routes?

Boom. Game, set, match. Case closed.



Once again, you miss the point. That is okay. Moving on back to I-73 topic.

Quite frankly, I don't think anyone knows what your point is.


It depends on who you're asking.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: seicer on July 15, 2016, 08:37:44 AM
Nope. I'm not seeing your point, or a point to your condescending posts, Strider. Other than offering no evidence as to why you believe a parallel four-lane interstate should be built next to a four-lane highway which is nowhere near its design traffic capacity, has no level-of-service issues, and which will not bring any further development than the four-lane highway already has...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 15, 2016, 10:28:04 AM
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on July 15, 2016, 08:37:44 AM
Nope. I'm not seeing your point, or a point to your condescending posts, Strider. Other than offering no evidence as to why you believe a parallel four-lane interstate should be built next to a four-lane highway which is nowhere near its design traffic capacity, has no level-of-service issues, and which will not bring any further development than the four-lane highway already has...

Evidences are mentioned in the thread. I suggest you to start reading the whole thread. Also, the point is about the purpose of I-73, not my point. Read the sentences carefully, I said "THE point", not "MY point". The point as in the point of the project, and I support it and I already stated why I support it. If you don't like it, let the CTB know. If you want to discuss this farther, take it to the personal message otherwise I am moving on.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on July 15, 2016, 11:35:29 AM
If Martinsville needs an interstate, get North Carolina to slap an x40 or x85 designation onto whatever interstate upgrades it builds north of Greensboro. Or let them do with I-73 what they do with I-74, and kill the designation at the VA/NC state line.

That makes three of us (Adam, Sherman and me) who don't get the point. And all three of us have been around for awhile, at least 20 years since MTR's heyday.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: seicer on July 15, 2016, 12:36:21 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 15, 2016, 10:28:04 AM
Evidences are mentioned in the thread. I suggest you to start reading the whole thread. Also, the point is about the purpose of I-73, not my point. Read the sentences carefully, I said "THE point", not "MY point". The point as in the point of the project, and I support it and I already stated why I support it. If you don't like it, let the CTB know. If you want to discuss this farther, take it to the personal message otherwise I am moving on.

Considering that I've been on AARoads since its inception and have been following this thread since it was created - and was around on newsgroups (misc.transport.road, for one), your ignorance is noted.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on July 15, 2016, 01:35:55 PM
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on July 15, 2016, 12:36:21 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 15, 2016, 10:28:04 AM
Evidences are mentioned in the thread. I suggest you to start reading the whole thread. Also, the point is about the purpose of I-73, not my point. Read the sentences carefully, I said "THE point", not "MY point". The point as in the point of the project, and I support it and I already stated why I support it. If you don't like it, let the CTB know. If you want to discuss this farther, take it to the personal message otherwise I am moving on.

Considering that I've been on AARoads since its inception and have been following this thread since it was created - and was around on newsgroups (misc.transport.road, for one), your ignorance is noted.

Careful, old friend, or you'll start getting private email messages and you'll be informed you've been reported to the AA Roads mods.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: seicer on July 15, 2016, 03:30:44 PM
Like... this sent from Strider at 1302?

"Or maybe it is you who is having a lack of knowledge since I live on the proposed path of I-73. Also, I also have been around since this thread started as well. Thank you very much. Now your ignorance is also noted."
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: noelbotevera on July 15, 2016, 04:37:58 PM
I'll be honest, I kept up with I-73/I-74 crap ever since 2005. I may have been a year old, but I still keep tabs here and there.

Make that four...I guess?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on July 15, 2016, 05:13:21 PM
This thread seems to be morphing into something resembling Monty Python's "Argument Clinic" sketch.   :-P  Really needs to get back on track minus the personal animosity!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: US71 on July 15, 2016, 11:00:51 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 14, 2016, 03:40:11 PM
Are "Strider" and "MazdaStrider" the same person? Because I have seen both names post in this forum.


Yes.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 26, 2016, 12:11:37 AM
A source reports that NCDOT has indicated that they plan to open the I-73 segments north of Greensboro in November. IMO this is more likely for the segments from PTI Airport to US 220, than to the north.

I have posted contributed photos of I-73 construction taken about a week ago to my Segments 2 and 3 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html)
and to Segment 4 page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)

You can judge for yourself which segments appear more likely to opened this year.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 27, 2016, 10:46:28 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on July 26, 2016, 12:11:37 AM
A source reports that NCDOT has indicated that they plan to open the I-73 segments north of Greensboro in November. IMO this is more likely for the segments from PTI Airport to US 220, than to the north.

I have posted contributed photos of I-73 construction taken about a week ago to my Segments 2 and 3 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html)
and to Segment 4 page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)

You can judge for yourself which segments appear more likely to opened this year.


I think that the section between NC 68 (southern interchange) and US 220 (or maybe US 158) will be opened first before the north and/or the connector between Bryan and NC 68. I might be wrong. When the road opens, I plan on filming it though.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on July 31, 2016, 02:53:17 PM
Army Corps of Engineers evaluating environmental questions along the I-73 route in South Carolina:
http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/32578635/army-corps-reviewing-proposed-interstate-to-myrtle-beach

Is this actually news, or has it been going on for a while?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 31, 2016, 08:41:50 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on July 31, 2016, 02:53:17 PM
Army Corps of Engineers evaluating environmental questions along the I-73 route in South Carolina:
http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/32578635/army-corps-reviewing-proposed-interstate-to-myrtle-beach

Is this actually news, or has it been going on for a while?

SC has been trying to get the permit for quite a while IIRC, but this is the closest they've gotten to finally getting the permit, so it's good news...for now. I-73 in SC has been getting major opposition from Nancy Cave and the Coastal Conservation League, so I would expect them to try to fight it again. Politicians from other parts of the state have been trying to take money that's reserved for I-73 and use it for other parts of the state. The Grand Strand didn't take kindly to that.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 31, 2016, 10:45:48 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 31, 2016, 08:41:50 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on July 31, 2016, 02:53:17 PM
Army Corps of Engineers evaluating environmental questions along the I-73 route in South Carolina:
http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/32578635/army-corps-reviewing-proposed-interstate-to-myrtle-beach

Is this actually news, or has it been going on for a while?

SC has been trying to get the permit for quite a while IIRC, but this is the closest they've gotten to finally getting the permit, so it's good news...for now. I-73 in SC has been getting major opposition from Nancy Cave and the Coastal Conservation League, so I would expect them to try to fight it again. Politicians from other parts of the state have been trying to take money that's reserved for I-73 and use it for other parts of the state. The Grand Strand didn't take kindly to that.


Yeah, it is a mess down there in SC, I just know that Nancy Cave and the Coastal Conservation League basically opposed everything. I spoke with one of their members and was given a very rude attitude when I asked why they are opposed to any new road construction. I definitely do not like that group.

Myrtle Beach deserves a interstate connection.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on August 01, 2016, 03:06:09 PM
If Myrtle Beach needs an Interstate connection, how soon can they build one? They seem to be taking their sweet time.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: SP Cook on August 01, 2016, 03:24:00 PM
Both "deserves" and "interstate" are poor choices of words, IMHO, however it is certain that US 501 is not currently adequate to handle all of the beach bound traffic in the peak season.  If (when) there ever was an evacuation of the area, it would be quite difficult.  The population of Horry County is nearly 6 times what it was when the original interstates were mapped out, and the area has shifted from nearly 100% tourist economy to one with a great number of permanent residents. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on August 28, 2016, 04:57:10 PM
Later today I will post pictures from I-73/74 construction just north of Rockingham. Where/when safe to do so, I captured some good progress shots of upgrading the current highway to exit 23 and just south.

Im on a small pitstop (pun intended, I was catching the last of the Sprint Cup Race in Michigan) but I will finish my journey with pictures from I-74 construction in W-S, before going home. Good day for a little road trip :) -jaustincarter
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on August 28, 2016, 05:33:34 PM
Quote from: jcarte29 on August 28, 2016, 04:57:10 PM
Later today I will post pictures from I-73/74 construction just north of Rockingham. Where/when safe to do so, I captured some good progress shots of upgrading the current highway to exit 23 and just south.

Im on a small pitstop (pun intended, I was catching the last of the Sprint Cup Race in Michigan) but I will finish my journey with pictures from I-74 construction in W-S, before going home. Good day for a little road trip :) -jaustincarter

How was it going?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on August 28, 2016, 05:37:00 PM
Lot of bridges are completed, and while I wasnt sure if I was "allowed" to drive them (blocked off except for small openings for locals who probably moved them heh), they provided the best and safest places to snap the pics lol.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on August 28, 2016, 05:54:17 PM
Quote from: jcarte29 on August 28, 2016, 05:37:00 PM
Lot of bridges are completed, and while I wasnt sure if I was "allowed" to drive them (blocked off except for small openings for locals who probably moved them heh), they provided the best and safest places to snap the pics lol.

They usually don't allow people to drive on them if the bridges are not opened. But, as long as you are able to snap the pics, I am curious how they are processing as I have not been down in that area for like 10 years lol
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on August 28, 2016, 11:10:25 PM
I so wish that I-40 was more on the states radar screen.  I know I am being self serving here, but sitting in the volume congestion crawl from the eastern 240 exit to the US 70/Black Mountain on ramp merge today at 4 PM was a PITA.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on August 29, 2016, 12:00:57 AM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on August 28, 2016, 11:10:25 PM
I so wish that I-40 was more on the states radar screen.  I know I am being self serving here, but sitting in the volume congestion crawl from the eastern 240 exit to the US 70/Black Mountain on ramp merge today at 4 PM was a PITA.


I won't be surprised if NCDOT is planning to widen I-40 at some point. I could see it coming within 50 years.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 05, 2016, 11:26:35 PM
To help celebrate the start of the 15th year of my I-73/I-74 in NC website (as of 9/1/16), I have posted photos contributed from AARoads Forum members Strider and JCarte29 on my I-73 Segments 2-4, 11 and I-74 Segment 4 pages.

From I-73 north of Greensboro, here's progress on building the new US 220/NC 68 interchange:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gribblenation.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg2str816f.jpg&hash=3491a1a2c0403d0c5b4e9dc5a7511e48c345badf)

and from the I-73/74 Rockingham Bypass project, here's a view of the construction just south Ellerbe:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gribblenation.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg11jac816i.JPG&hash=8ddf51a11cfbc7426af6d57c6f291a133a8a5d22)

More photos can found through linking to my I-73 Progress Page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/prog73.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/prog73.html)

or the I-74 Segment 4 page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on September 06, 2016, 01:10:01 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on September 05, 2016, 11:26:35 PM
To help celebrate the start of the 15th year of my I-73/I-74 in NC website (as of 9/1/16), I have posted photos contributed from AARoads Forum members Strider and JCarte29 on my I-73 Segments 2-4, 11 and I-74 Segment 4 pages.

From I-73 north of Greensboro, here's progress on building the new US 220/NC 68 interchange:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gribblenation.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg2str816f.jpg&hash=3491a1a2c0403d0c5b4e9dc5a7511e48c345badf)

and from the I-73/74 Rockingham Bypass project, here's a view of the construction just south Ellerbe:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gribblenation.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg11jac816i.JPG&hash=8ddf51a11cfbc7426af6d57c6f291a133a8a5d22)

More photos can found through linking to my I-73 Progress Page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/prog73.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/prog73.html)

or the I-74 Segment 4 page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html)


Looks good! Happy to see the progress on the I-73/74 Rockingham bypass after seeing the pictures on your website.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 06, 2016, 06:55:02 PM
So Bob, where are you going to move your site to once gribblenation shuts down later this year?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 12, 2016, 12:28:41 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 06, 2016, 06:55:02 PM
So Bob, where are you going to move your site to once gribblenation shuts down later this year?
I am just starting to look for possible new hosts for my pages. Possibly some place where I can post some professional pages as well. Suggestions are welcome.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on September 12, 2016, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on September 12, 2016, 12:28:41 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 06, 2016, 06:55:02 PM
So Bob, where are you going to move your site to once gribblenation shuts down later this year?
I am just starting to look for possible new hosts for my pages. Possibly some place where I can post some professional pages as well. Suggestions are welcome.

GN used Aplus, and when I was looking for hosting options, that's who I went with.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 22, 2016, 01:06:02 PM
I have posted the latest photos taken by Strider of I-73 construction between the PTI Airport and NC 68, including the nearly complete future I-73/US 220 interchange:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gribblenation.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg2str1016g.jpg&hash=08edc0dc65352843002687eec8b00e8fa4ae9bf8)

Photos can be found on my I-73 Segments 2 and 3 page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html)

and Segment 4 page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on October 27, 2016, 05:30:45 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on October 22, 2016, 01:06:02 PM
I have posted the latest photos taken by Strider of I-73 construction between the PTI Airport and NC 68, including the nearly complete future I-73/US 220 interchange:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gribblenation.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg2str1016g.jpg&hash=08edc0dc65352843002687eec8b00e8fa4ae9bf8)

Photos can be found on my I-73 Segments 2 and 3 page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html)

and Segment 4 page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)

Great pictures; kudos to both Bob and Strider for getting the pictures up & running.  And Bob -- please let us know when & where your site will be situated going forward.  Thanks, SP.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on October 28, 2016, 04:19:41 PM
Once 73 and 74 are completed around Rockingham, US 220 should be retracted to Greensboro. And if Interstate 73 is ultimately constructed in Virginia, 220 should be further retracted to Roanoke.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on October 28, 2016, 06:37:16 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 28, 2016, 04:19:41 PM
Once 73 and 74 are completed around Rockingham, US 220 should be retracted to Greensboro. And if Interstate 73 is ultimately constructed in Virginia, 220 should be further retracted to Roanoke.
Unlikely to happen.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 07, 2016, 05:23:58 PM
NCDOT announced today an accelerated schedule of 2-3 years for constructing the remaining segments of the Eastern Section of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (I-74):

"The eastern section of the Winston Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74) is a 17.1-mile multi-lane freeway that will loop around the eastern part of Winston-Salem, beginning at U.S. 52 north of Winston-Salem and ending at I-74/U.S. 311 southeast of the city. With the accelerated schedule, the eastern section of the loop is expected to be completed by 2024."

Work will also begin earlier on the western section (Future I-274) of the beltway from U.S. 52 to N.C. 67 and will be funded through the new transportation funding formula in the draft 2018-2027 State Transportation Improvement Program.

https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: mvak36 on November 08, 2016, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 07, 2016, 05:23:58 PM
NCDOT announced today an accelerated schedule of 2-3 years for constructing the remaining segments of the Eastern Section of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (I-74):

"The eastern section of the Winston Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74) is a 17.1-mile multi-lane freeway that will loop around the eastern part of Winston-Salem, beginning at U.S. 52 north of Winston-Salem and ending at I-74/U.S. 311 southeast of the city. With the accelerated schedule, the eastern section of the loop is expected to be completed by 2024."

Work will also begin earlier on the western section (Future I-274) of the beltway from U.S. 52 to N.C. 67 and will be funded through the new transportation funding formula in the draft 2018-2027 State Transportation Improvement Program.

https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246)

So does that just leave sections AA and Section C to be let? If i'm reading the press release correctly, I think those are the only 2 segments of the Eastern beltway not mentioned.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 10, 2016, 11:39:46 AM
Quote from: mvak36 on November 08, 2016, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 07, 2016, 05:23:58 PM
NCDOT announced today an accelerated schedule of 2-3 years for constructing the remaining segments of the Eastern Section of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (I-74):

"The eastern section of the Winston Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74) is a 17.1-mile multi-lane freeway that will loop around the eastern part of Winston-Salem, beginning at U.S. 52 north of Winston-Salem and ending at I-74/U.S. 311 southeast of the city. With the accelerated schedule, the eastern section of the loop is expected to be completed by 2024."

Work will also begin earlier on the western section (Future I-274) of the beltway from U.S. 52 to N.C. 67 and will be funded through the new transportation funding formula in the draft 2018-2027 State Transportation Improvement Program.

https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246)

So does that just leave sections AA and Section C to be let? If i'm reading the press release correctly, I think those are the only 2 segments of the Eastern beltway not mentioned.
The schedule for those 2 sections remains as is. With Section C, from US 158 to US 311, where right of way acquisition has started, due to be awarded in October 2017 and Section AA, I-74/US 311 to I-40, due to be awarded in 2020.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on November 10, 2016, 12:12:08 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 10, 2016, 11:39:46 AM
Quote from: mvak36 on November 08, 2016, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 07, 2016, 05:23:58 PM
NCDOT announced today an accelerated schedule of 2-3 years for constructing the remaining segments of the Eastern Section of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (I-74):

"The eastern section of the Winston Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74) is a 17.1-mile multi-lane freeway that will loop around the eastern part of Winston-Salem, beginning at U.S. 52 north of Winston-Salem and ending at I-74/U.S. 311 southeast of the city. With the accelerated schedule, the eastern section of the loop is expected to be completed by 2024."

Work will also begin earlier on the western section (Future I-274) of the beltway from U.S. 52 to N.C. 67 and will be funded through the new transportation funding formula in the draft 2018-2027 State Transportation Improvement Program.

https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246)

So does that just leave sections AA and Section C to be let? If i'm reading the press release correctly, I think those are the only 2 segments of the Eastern beltway not mentioned.
The schedule for those 2 sections remains as is. With Section C, from US 158 to US 311, where right of way acquisition has started, due to be awarded in October 2017 and Section AA, I-74/US 311 to I-40, due to be awarded in 2020.

My assumption is that after they complete I-74 from US 52 to I-74/US 311, are they going to shift their focus and try to apply for a interstate designation to FHWA (or AASHTO) for US 52 from the beltway to I-74/US 52 in Surry County, or are they going to stop the I-74 designation temporarily at the US 52/Northern beltway interchange?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on November 10, 2016, 01:36:09 PM
Quote from: Strider on November 10, 2016, 12:12:08 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 10, 2016, 11:39:46 AM
Quote from: mvak36 on November 08, 2016, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 07, 2016, 05:23:58 PM
NCDOT announced today an accelerated schedule of 2-3 years for constructing the remaining segments of the Eastern Section of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (I-74):

"The eastern section of the Winston Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74) is a 17.1-mile multi-lane freeway that will loop around the eastern part of Winston-Salem, beginning at U.S. 52 north of Winston-Salem and ending at I-74/U.S. 311 southeast of the city. With the accelerated schedule, the eastern section of the loop is expected to be completed by 2024."

Work will also begin earlier on the western section (Future I-274) of the beltway from U.S. 52 to N.C. 67 and will be funded through the new transportation funding formula in the draft 2018-2027 State Transportation Improvement Program.

https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246)

So does that just leave sections AA and Section C to be let? If i'm reading the press release correctly, I think those are the only 2 segments of the Eastern beltway not mentioned.
The schedule for those 2 sections remains as is. With Section C, from US 158 to US 311, where right of way acquisition has started, due to be awarded in October 2017 and Section AA, I-74/US 311 to I-40, due to be awarded in 2020.

My assumption is that after they complete I-74 from US 52 to I-74/US 311, are they going to shift their focus and try to apply for a interstate designation to FHWA (or AASHTO) for US 52 from the beltway to I-74/US 52 in Surry County, or are they going to stop the I-74 designation temporarily at the US 52/Northern beltway interchange?
In 1996, NC applied to AASHTO and FHWA for interstate status. The application was rejected, but US 52 was allowed to be signed "Future I-74 Corridor" from NC 65 to the I-74 split. FHWA has told NC that  projects to upgrade the highway to interstate standards need to be funded before the highway could be signed Future I-74.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on November 10, 2016, 03:39:30 PM
Quote from: dfilpus on November 10, 2016, 01:36:09 PM
Quote from: Strider on November 10, 2016, 12:12:08 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 10, 2016, 11:39:46 AM
Quote from: mvak36 on November 08, 2016, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 07, 2016, 05:23:58 PM
NCDOT announced today an accelerated schedule of 2-3 years for constructing the remaining segments of the Eastern Section of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (I-74):

"The eastern section of the Winston Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74) is a 17.1-mile multi-lane freeway that will loop around the eastern part of Winston-Salem, beginning at U.S. 52 north of Winston-Salem and ending at I-74/U.S. 311 southeast of the city. With the accelerated schedule, the eastern section of the loop is expected to be completed by 2024."

Work will also begin earlier on the western section (Future I-274) of the beltway from U.S. 52 to N.C. 67 and will be funded through the new transportation funding formula in the draft 2018-2027 State Transportation Improvement Program.

https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246)

So does that just leave sections AA and Section C to be let? If i'm reading the press release correctly, I think those are the only 2 segments of the Eastern beltway not mentioned.
The schedule for those 2 sections remains as is. With Section C, from US 158 to US 311, where right of way acquisition has started, due to be awarded in October 2017 and Section AA, I-74/US 311 to I-40, due to be awarded in 2020.

My assumption is that after they complete I-74 from US 52 to I-74/US 311, are they going to shift their focus and try to apply for a interstate designation to FHWA (or AASHTO) for US 52 from the beltway to I-74/US 52 in Surry County, or are they going to stop the I-74 designation temporarily at the US 52/Northern beltway interchange?
In 1996, NC applied to AASHTO and FHWA for interstate status. The application was rejected, but US 52 was allowed to be signed "Future I-74 Corridor" from NC 65 to the I-74 split. FHWA has told NC that  projects to upgrade the highway to interstate standards need to be funded before the highway could be signed Future I-74.


Sounds like the I-74 designation will stop at US 52 for time being until that stretch of US 52 between two I-74's can be upgraded...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 10, 2016, 05:39:25 PM
Quote from: Strider on November 10, 2016, 03:39:30 PM
Quote from: dfilpus on November 10, 2016, 01:36:09 PM
Quote from: Strider on November 10, 2016, 12:12:08 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 10, 2016, 11:39:46 AM
Quote from: mvak36 on November 08, 2016, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 07, 2016, 05:23:58 PM
NCDOT announced today an accelerated schedule of 2-3 years for constructing the remaining segments of the Eastern Section of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (I-74):

"The eastern section of the Winston Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74) is a 17.1-mile multi-lane freeway that will loop around the eastern part of Winston-Salem, beginning at U.S. 52 north of Winston-Salem and ending at I-74/U.S. 311 southeast of the city. With the accelerated schedule, the eastern section of the loop is expected to be completed by 2024."

Work will also begin earlier on the western section (Future I-274) of the beltway from U.S. 52 to N.C. 67 and will be funded through the new transportation funding formula in the draft 2018-2027 State Transportation Improvement Program.

https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246)

So does that just leave sections AA and Section C to be let? If i'm reading the press release correctly, I think those are the only 2 segments of the Eastern beltway not mentioned.
The schedule for those 2 sections remains as is. With Section C, from US 158 to US 311, where right of way acquisition has started, due to be awarded in October 2017 and Section AA, I-74/US 311 to I-40, due to be awarded in 2020.

My assumption is that after they complete I-74 from US 52 to I-74/US 311, are they going to shift their focus and try to apply for a interstate designation to FHWA (or AASHTO) for US 52 from the beltway to I-74/US 52 in Surry County, or are they going to stop the I-74 designation temporarily at the US 52/Northern beltway interchange?
In 1996, NC applied to AASHTO and FHWA for interstate status. The application was rejected, but US 52 was allowed to be signed "Future I-74 Corridor" from NC 65 to the I-74 split. FHWA has told NC that  projects to upgrade the highway to interstate standards need to be funded before the highway could be signed Future I-74.
Sounds like the I-74 designation will stop at US 52 for time being until that stretch of US 52 between two I-74's can be upgraded...
I think NCDOT will find a way to have US 52 signed as I-74 when the Eastern Section of the Beltway is completed. They may be planning upgrade projects for future STIPs, or they may simply upgrade the shoulders and ask FHWA for a temporary waiver for remaining substandard elements so it can be signed. They could also put up 'To I-74' signage along the route while awaiting completion of upgrading projects (they should do this now IMHO).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 28, 2016, 06:15:54 PM
Thanks to Strider, I have uploaded new November construction photos for I-73 north of Greensboro to my I-73 Segment 2, 3 and 4 pages. Looks like the NC 68-US 220 Connector is segment is closest to completion.

The Segment 2 page is reached at:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on November 29, 2016, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 28, 2016, 06:15:54 PM
Thanks to Strider, I have uploaded new November construction photos for I-73 north of Greensboro to my I-73 Segment 2, 3 and 4 pages. Looks like the NC 68-US 220 Connector is segment is closest to completion.

The Segment 2 page is reached at:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html)


Yeah that is correct. the NC 68-US 220 Connector segment is closer to completion at 88% and should be open anytime between now and the end of the year (which also includes the segment from Bryan to NC 68 that will be completed in Spring/Summer 2017); while the segment from US 158 in Guilford County up to NC 68 in Rockingham County is behind schedule at 51%. (that section was already delayed until late 2017/early 2018)

The first phrase of Western Rockingham Bypass (I-73/74) section of US 220 that includes US 220 rebuild is 58% complete (slightly behind schedule due to weather delays)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on December 06, 2016, 06:55:07 AM
I-73 between Bryan Boulevard in Greensboro and US-220 is planned to be open in May.

http://www.wfmynews2.com/mb/news/traffic/new-portion-of-i-73-set-to-open-in-may/363443044 (http://www.wfmynews2.com/mb/news/traffic/new-portion-of-i-73-set-to-open-in-may/363443044)

QuoteGUILFORD COUNTY, N.C. -- A new roadway will give drivers a more direct route between Greensboro and Rockingham County, according to the Department of Transportation.

The Triad's U.S. 220/N.C. 68 Connector is set to open in May of 2017. It is part of the Future I-73 project.

"We are on track with this deadline," Patty Eason, NCDOT Division Engineer, said. "You'll be able to get from your home to your destination in a much easier, much quicker fashion."

The 9.4-mile connector runs from U.S. 220 near the Haw river to Joseph M. Bryan Boulevard.

Rockingham County city leaders hope the new roadway will help attract business to the area.

The Economic Development team even started using the interstate as a marketing tool.

And businesses like Kalo, a Gluten free baked goods distributor, have taken notice.

"It will make our commute to doing distribution a little quicker when we're going into Greensboro and some of the surrounding areas," Owner Michael Cusato said.

According to Cusato, the new interstate is one of the reasons he chose to open shop in Rockingham County.

His workers travel back and forth from Greensboro daily to drop off their baked goods. And while the construction has caused him some headaches in the short term, he says in it'll be good for distribution and property value in the long-run.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 06, 2016, 11:43:33 AM
Quote from: LM117 on December 06, 2016, 06:55:07 AM
I-73 between Bryan Boulevard in Greensboro and US-220 is planned to be open in May.

http://www.wfmynews2.com/mb/news/traffic/new-portion-of-i-73-set-to-open-in-may/363443044 (http://www.wfmynews2.com/mb/news/traffic/new-portion-of-i-73-set-to-open-in-may/363443044)

QuoteGUILFORD COUNTY, N.C. -- A new roadway will give drivers a more direct route between Greensboro and Rockingham County, according to the Department of Transportation.

The Triad's U.S. 220/N.C. 68 Connector is set to open in May of 2017. It is part of the Future I-73 project.

"We are on track with this deadline," Patty Eason, NCDOT Division Engineer, said. "You'll be able to get from your home to your destination in a much easier, much quicker fashion."

The 9.4-mile connector runs from U.S. 220 near the Haw river to Joseph M. Bryan Boulevard.

Rockingham County city leaders hope the new roadway will help attract business to the area.

The Economic Development team even started using the interstate as a marketing tool.

And businesses like Kalo, a Gluten free baked goods distributor, have taken notice.

"It will make our commute to doing distribution a little quicker when we're going into Greensboro and some of the surrounding areas," Owner Michael Cusato said.

According to Cusato, the new interstate is one of the reasons he chose to open shop in Rockingham County.

His workers travel back and forth from Greensboro daily to drop off their baked goods. And while the construction has caused him some headaches in the short term, he says in it'll be good for distribution and property value in the long-run.

Looks like they want to open the entire thing, not just the connector, which makes sense to open it by May 2017. A little delay, but it is going to be exciting day for Greensboro and Triad area. Now, let's build it all the way up to Virginia border.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: orulz on December 06, 2016, 12:05:16 PM
I have often wondered if it would be possible to extend Bryan Boulevard further west. A 3.5 mile connector built on relatively open land would connect up with I-40 at the intersection of Green 40/US-421. This would provide a second full-freeway route between Winston Salem and Greensboro. US-421 could be signed on the new connector, Bryan Blvd, Wendover Avenue, and O'Henry Boulevard.

Another freeway connection that would make sense would be a link from Green 85 near River Road to I-74 near Greensboro Road south of Jamestown. It's a little more built up through there but there's still a few possible routes left. That combined with the eventual Winston Salem Southern Beltway would make a full southern bypass of the Triad.

Sigh maybe I should head over to fictional highways for this sort of stuff - but small, realistic suggestions like this tend to get lost in the shuffle among the "coast to coast interstate" nonsense.
As always, with any suggestion I make, a map: https://goo.gl/4jTtrr (https://goo.gl/4jTtrr)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 06, 2016, 12:18:18 PM
There is (was?) actually a plan to build a connector between I-40/Green 40 and I-73/Bryan/NC 68 and then eventually extend it to connect with I-74 on a new location. I don't know what happened to it, it is (was) to be called the "I-73/I-74 Connector".
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 06, 2016, 12:23:21 PM
Quote from: orulz on December 06, 2016, 12:05:16 PM
I have often wondered if it would be possible to extend Bryan Boulevard further west. A 3.5 mile connector built on relatively open land would connect up with I-40 at the intersection of Green 40/US-421. This would provide a second full-freeway route between Winston Salem and Greensboro. US-421 could be signed on the new connector, Bryan Blvd, Wendover Avenue, and O'Henry Boulevard.

Another freeway connection that would make sense would be a link from Green 85 near River Road to I-74 near Greensboro Road south of Jamestown. It's a little more built up through there but there's still a few possible routes left. That combined with the eventual Winston Salem Southern Beltway would make a full southern bypass of the Triad.

Sigh maybe I should head over to fictional highways for this sort of stuff - but small, realistic suggestions like this tend to get lost in the shuffle among the "coast to coast interstate" nonsense.
As always, with any suggestion I make, a map: https://goo.gl/4jTtrr (https://goo.gl/4jTtrr)


This was from 2005, but you get the idea what is (was?) being planned for the Triad area.

http://www.gribblenation.net/ncfutints/roadimprov_lg.gif

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 01, 2017, 10:44:18 PM
I have added photos taken by Strider in December along the I-73 construction zone north of Greensboro to my I-73/74 pages. Some of the route is near completion, as seen here:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg3str1216b.JPG&hash=d59beb1e046a6579a8475f28c0bc5fe06a2ac3fa)

The photos can be accessed on my I-73 Segment 3 and 4 pages on the new home to my highway websites, MalmeRoads.Net.

I-73 Segment 3:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#seg3 (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#seg3)

I-73 Segment 4:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)

Please direct your browsers to my new site as I will no longer be updating the pages on my Gribblenation site, due to its impending closure. The new addresses are in my signature.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 02, 2017, 11:08:52 PM
I have published my annual I-73/I-74 in NC Year in Review in the following blog post:
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/01/i-73i-74-year-in-review-2016.html (http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/01/i-73i-74-year-in-review-2016.html)

As always, thanks to those AARoads Forum members who have kept me up to date with what is happening in North Carolina.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ReeseFerlautoI74/85 on January 05, 2017, 07:46:50 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 01, 2017, 10:44:18 PM
I have added photos taken by Strider in December along the I-73 construction zone north of Greensboro to my I-73/74 pages. Some of the route is near completion, as seen here:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg3str1216b.JPG&hash=d59beb1e046a6579a8475f28c0bc5fe06a2ac3fa)

The photos can be accessed on my I-73 Segment 3 and 4 pages on the new home to my highway websites, MalmeRoads.Net.

I-73 Segment 3:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#seg3 (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#seg3)

I-73 Segment 4:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)

Please direct your browsers to my new site as I will no longer be updating the pages on my Gribblenation site, due to its impending closure. The new addresses are in my signature.

I am very glad that I-73 is almost complete, but the 220 interchange with 68 is halfway to progress, considering that the bridge is complete. Some sections may be upgraded to Interstate Standard. Looking forward to the new MalmeRoads page since Gribblenation is close to death.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on February 08, 2017, 11:56:23 PM
I have posted some new I-73 construction photos contributed by Strider to my I-73/I-74 Segment 2, 3 and 4 pages.

Here's one that show supports for a future NC 150 exit sign:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg3str217d.JPG&hash=8e9b8ace4906e690f2e13a7367e71852154d34b5)

The Segment 2 and 3 pages can be reached at:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on February 24, 2017, 06:14:06 PM
A first step to ending I-74 in Wilmington? This NCDOT press release says a project is starting to widen US 74/76 for 8 miles west of NC (Future I-) 140 to bring it up to Interstate standards:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13554 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13554)

US 74/76 in this area is not a limited access highway, so more work will be needed to bring it up to freeway standards, but apparently NCDOT is taking the first steps to creating a US 74/76 interstate. Whether that is I-74 or something else is yet to be determined.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on February 25, 2017, 10:16:16 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 24, 2017, 06:14:06 PM
A first step to ending I-74 in Wilmington? This NCDOT press release says a project is starting to widen US 74/76 for 8 miles west of NC (Future I-) 140 to bring it up to Interstate standards:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13554 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13554)

Ending I-74 in Wilmington would be the most logical thing to do...so it's probably not it. :pan:

I'm thinking that route will become an I-x74 to Wilmington. NCDOT usually doesn't go through the trouble of upgrading a highway to interstate standards unless they have an I-shield up their sleeve. Wilmington has been pushing for a US-74 upgrade ever since South Carolina gave them the middle finger over the proposed I-20 extension and NCDOT will usually pursue interstate designations if there's strong local support, most recent example being Future I-587 for Greenville.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on February 25, 2017, 10:48:16 AM
Quote from: LM117 on February 25, 2017, 10:16:16 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 24, 2017, 06:14:06 PM
A first step to ending I-74 in Wilmington? This NCDOT press release says a project is starting to widen US 74/76 for 8 miles west of NC (Future I-) 140 to bring it up to Interstate standards:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13554 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13554)



Ending I-74 in Wilmington would be the most logical thing to do...so it's probably not it. :pan:

I'm thinking that route will become an I-x74 to Wilmington. NCDOT usually doesn't go through the trouble of upgrading a highway to interstate standards unless they have an I-shield up their sleeve. Wilmington has been pushing for a US-74 upgrade ever since South Carolina gave them the middle finger over the proposed I-20 extension and NCDOT will usually pursue interstate designations if there's strong local support, most recent example being Future I-587 for Greenville.

Extending I-20 does nothing for SC unless it is routed as far east as Conway before heading for Wilmington, so building a route along the US 76 corridor toward Whiteville doesn't make much $ sense for SC, especially since it is only 13 miles longer to use I-95 to US 74 as-is. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Third Strike on February 26, 2017, 12:09:24 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on February 25, 2017, 10:48:16 AM
Quote from: LM117 on February 25, 2017, 10:16:16 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 24, 2017, 06:14:06 PM
A first step to ending I-74 in Wilmington? This NCDOT press release says a project is starting to widen US 74/76 for 8 miles west of NC (Future I-) 140 to bring it up to Interstate standards:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13554 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13554)



Ending I-74 in Wilmington would be the most logical thing to do...so it's probably not it. :pan:

I'm thinking that route will become an I-x74 to Wilmington. NCDOT usually doesn't go through the trouble of upgrading a highway to interstate standards unless they have an I-shield up their sleeve. Wilmington has been pushing for a US-74 upgrade ever since South Carolina gave them the middle finger over the proposed I-20 extension and NCDOT will usually pursue interstate designations if there's strong local support, most recent example being Future I-587 for Greenville.

Extending I-20 does nothing for SC unless it is routed as far east as Conway before heading for Wilmington, so building a route along the US 76 corridor toward Whiteville doesn't make much $ sense for SC, especially since it is only 13 miles longer to use I-95 to US 74 as-is.

Maybe it's part of an even bigger plan of upgrading US 74 from Wilmington to Charlotte. If they ever manage to upgrade US 74 to I-95 from Wilmington, the gap between Rockingham and Lauringburg, and the gap between the Monroe Bypass and I-74, then it shouldn't be a problem to designate a new interstate along this route. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on February 26, 2017, 12:56:14 AM
Quote from: Third Strike on February 26, 2017, 12:09:24 AM
Maybe it's part of an even bigger plan of upgrading US 74 from Wilmington to Charlotte. If they ever manage to upgrade US 74 to I-95 from Wilmington, the gap between Rockingham and Lauringburg, and the gap between the Monroe Bypass and I-74, then it shouldn't be a problem to designate a new interstate along this route. 

The only problem with that concept is the fact that for the past 22 years the portion of US 74 between Rockingham and Bolton has been legislatively (federal, within the US Code language within the HPC 5 definition) designated as part of I-74.  Unless that language can be obviated, then that portion will remain as present or future I-74.  If, as has been often speculated, NC's attention eventually becomes focused on a potential Interstate corridor along the western US 74 from I-26 to Rockingham via Charlotte; it's likely that such a route would get an available even number in the 30's.  LM117 would then likely be correct in his assumption that US 74/76 from Bolton to Wilmington would receive a x74 number -- as long as the segment along NC 211 toward the south coast remains on the books as the I-74 portion of HPC 5.  If that language can be surgically removed, along with the description of the route as ending in Georgetown, SC, then NC would be free to pursue an I-74 designation into Wilmington; given the proven competency of the NC transportation "machine" at manipulating all matters Interstate, this is within the realm of possibility.       
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 07, 2017, 11:30:27 PM
I've started adding the photos I took last week along the I-73 and I-74 construction zones in North Carolina to my web pages.

The photos for the US 220 widening segment of I-73 are now available:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos)

As well as some new photos for US 220 between the VA border and NC 68:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg1.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg1.html#photos)

Look for more to be posted over the next week for remaining I-73 segments north of Greensboro.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 09, 2017, 11:00:58 PM
I've added photos to my I-73 Segments 3 and 4 pages, including this closeup of the PTI Airport Taxiway Bridge:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg4317v.JPG&hash=fa6b75fae77a950625aeb8053f7bd16987e5c597)

Segment 3, from US 220 to NC 68:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg3.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg3.html#photos)

Segment 4, NC 68 and 'I-73 Connector:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 13, 2017, 11:05:34 PM
I have now had the time to post my March 30 photos taken of Winston-Salem Northern Beltway construction on my I-74 Segment 4 page:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)

(My total time logged in when I did so tonight was 5 days, 5 hours and 55 minutes.)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Nature Boy on April 17, 2017, 09:29:06 AM
Quote from: Third Strike on February 26, 2017, 12:09:24 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on February 25, 2017, 10:48:16 AM
Quote from: LM117 on February 25, 2017, 10:16:16 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 24, 2017, 06:14:06 PM
A first step to ending I-74 in Wilmington? This NCDOT press release says a project is starting to widen US 74/76 for 8 miles west of NC (Future I-) 140 to bring it up to Interstate standards:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13554 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13554)



Ending I-74 in Wilmington would be the most logical thing to do...so it's probably not it. :pan:

I'm thinking that route will become an I-x74 to Wilmington. NCDOT usually doesn't go through the trouble of upgrading a highway to interstate standards unless they have an I-shield up their sleeve. Wilmington has been pushing for a US-74 upgrade ever since South Carolina gave them the middle finger over the proposed I-20 extension and NCDOT will usually pursue interstate designations if there's strong local support, most recent example being Future I-587 for Greenville.

Extending I-20 does nothing for SC unless it is routed as far east as Conway before heading for Wilmington, so building a route along the US 76 corridor toward Whiteville doesn't make much $ sense for SC, especially since it is only 13 miles longer to use I-95 to US 74 as-is.

Maybe it's part of an even bigger plan of upgrading US 74 from Wilmington to Charlotte. If they ever manage to upgrade US 74 to I-95 from Wilmington, the gap between Rockingham and Lauringburg, and the gap between the Monroe Bypass and I-74, then it shouldn't be a problem to designate a new interstate along this route.

Honestly, it makes more sense to upgrade US 74 from Wilmington to I-26 in Western NC and designate that as a new 2di. Connecting Asheville to Charlotte and then onto Wilmington via the interstate system just seems to make sense and is an obvious omission for an interstate loving state like NC.

An fantasy highway idea would be to extend I-24 by upgrading US 74 for its entire length, multiplexing it with I-75 for a short run to Chattanooga before connecting to I-24 and running northwest. This seems like a cheaper and more feasible way for NC to connect itself to a long distance interstate than the current I-74 saga.

Since I-74 is never going to be connected to the other I-74, I'd abandon that idea.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on April 17, 2017, 09:48:33 AM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on April 17, 2017, 09:29:06 AM

Honestly, it makes more sense to upgrade US 74 from Wilmington to I-26 in Western NC and designate that as a new 2di. Connecting Asheville to Charlotte and then onto Wilmington via the interstate system just seems to make sense and is an obvious omission for an interstate loving state like NC.

An fantasy highway idea would be to extend I-24 by upgrading US 74 for its entire length, multiplexing it with I-75 for a short run to Chattanooga before connecting to I-24 and running northwest. This seems like a cheaper and more feasible way for NC to connect itself to a long distance interstate than the current I-74 saga.

Since I-74 is never going to be connected to the other I-74, I'd abandon that idea.
While I'm all for that, I think a number in the 30s would make more sense. Now that I-36 has been abandoned in favor of I-42, it could be used here, as well as 32, 38 and 34 (my personal preference).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on April 17, 2017, 09:57:45 AM
I had some time this morning to email Bob pictures of I-74 in Winston-Salem.

Disclaimer: I only just learned he had already been through the area, but examining his pictures and mine, I feel confident they are each individually unique and not redundant. I will also post them now onto SE Roads on Facebook and Freeway Jim.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 19, 2017, 10:15:04 PM
Quote from: jcarte29 on April 17, 2017, 09:57:45 AM
I had some time this morning to email Bob pictures of I-74 in Winston-Salem.

Disclaimer: I only just learned he had already been through the area, but examining his pictures and mine, I feel confident they are each individually unique and not redundant. I will also post them now onto SE Roads on Facebook and Freeway Jim.
I posted jcarte29's photos on my I-74 Segment 4 site. They fill in some of the gaps in the coverage of my photos:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on April 20, 2017, 06:38:30 PM
Quote from: Henry on April 17, 2017, 09:48:33 AM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on April 17, 2017, 09:29:06 AM

Honestly, it makes more sense to upgrade US 74 from Wilmington to I-26 in Western NC and designate that as a new 2di. Connecting Asheville to Charlotte and then onto Wilmington via the interstate system just seems to make sense and is an obvious omission for an interstate loving state like NC.

An fantasy highway idea would be to extend I-24 by upgrading US 74 for its entire length, multiplexing it with I-75 for a short run to Chattanooga before connecting to I-24 and running northwest. This seems like a cheaper and more feasible way for NC to connect itself to a long distance interstate than the current I-74 saga.

Since I-74 is never going to be connected to the other I-74, I'd abandon that idea.
While I'm all for that, I think a number in the 30s would make more sense. Now that I-36 has been abandoned in favor of I-42, it could be used here, as well as 32, 38 and 34 (my personal preference).
Eventually NC will move to upgrade US 74 to interstate standards from I-26 to Wilmington. However, I think there's no interest in upgrading US 74 to full interstate standards between I-40 and the Tennessee line; the cost to do that is simply too high.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Avalanchez71 on April 20, 2017, 07:18:22 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on April 17, 2017, 09:29:06 AM
Quote from: Third Strike on February 26, 2017, 12:09:24 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on February 25, 2017, 10:48:16 AM
Quote from: LM117 on February 25, 2017, 10:16:16 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 24, 2017, 06:14:06 PM
A first step to ending I-74 in Wilmington? This NCDOT press release says a project is starting to widen US 74/76 for 8 miles west of NC (Future I-) 140 to bring it up to Interstate standards:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13554 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13554)

Ending I-74 in Wilmington would be the most logical thing to do...so it's probably not it. :pan:

I'm thinking that route will become an I-x74 to Wilmington. NCDOT usually doesn't go through the trouble of upgrading a highway to interstate standards unless they have an I-shield up their sleeve. Wilmington has been pushing for a US-74 upgrade ever since South Carolina gave them the middle finger over the proposed I-20 extension and NCDOT will usually pursue interstate designations if there's strong local support, most recent example being Future I-587 for Greenville.

Extending I-20 does nothing for SC unless it is routed as far east as Conway before heading for Wilmington, so building a route along the US 76 corridor toward Whiteville doesn't make much $ sense for SC, especially since it is only 13 miles longer to use I-95 to US 74 as-is.

Maybe it's part of an even bigger plan of upgrading US 74 from Wilmington to Charlotte. If they ever manage to upgrade US 74 to I-95 from Wilmington, the gap between Rockingham and Lauringburg, and the gap between the Monroe Bypass and I-74, then it shouldn't be a problem to designate a new interstate along this route.

Honestly, it makes more sense to upgrade US 74 from Wilmington to I-26 in Western NC and designate that as a new 2di. Connecting Asheville to Charlotte and then onto Wilmington via the interstate system just seems to make sense and is an obvious omission for an interstate loving state like NC.

An fantasy highway idea would be to extend I-24 by upgrading US 74 for its entire length, multiplexing it with I-75 for a short run to Chattanooga before connecting to I-24 and running northwest. This seems like a cheaper and more feasible way for NC to connect itself to a long distance interstate than the current I-74 saga.

Since I-74 is never going to be connected to the other I-74, I'd abandon that idea.

That area is just fine as is.  That would just totally ruin the area by putting an interstate through there.

Fixed quote. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4000.0) - rmf67
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on April 24, 2017, 06:40:33 PM
http://www.greensboro.com/news/local_news/i--from-airport-area-to-u-s-in-greensboro/article_a6c39688-04f7-56d3-beb9-5862194aa97d.html

This is somewhat old news (April 7 publication) but I don't recall seeing it in the Forum before. The section of I-73 between NC 68 and US 220 should open within days. The section between I-840 and NC 68 should be finished by the end of June, and the section concurrent with US 220 should be completed by October.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on April 25, 2017, 03:24:34 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on April 24, 2017, 06:40:33 PM
http://www.greensboro.com/news/local_news/i--from-airport-area-to-u-s-in-greensboro/article_a6c39688-04f7-56d3-beb9-5862194aa97d.html

This is somewhat old news (April 7 publication) but I don't recall seeing it in the Forum before. The section of I-73 between NC 68 and US 220 should open within days. The section between I-840 and NC 68 should be finished by the end of June, and the section concurrent with US 220 should be completed by October.




Yeah, the section of I-73 between NC 68 and US 220 should be open this week (hopefully by Saturday), unless there are weather delays. I just checked that area, they only need to do line painting at the on and off ramps and putting up the NC 68 and I-73 signs at the NC 68 interchange (Exit 111). I'd say the section is around 99.5% complete.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on April 25, 2017, 04:09:33 PM
Are there plans to extend Interstate 73 further north towards the Virginia state line anytime soon?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on April 25, 2017, 04:45:19 PM
Looks like, except for the "will-they-or-won't-they" status of the Rockingham bypass, that most of I-73, save the final sections to both state lines, will be a fait accompli in NC.  Any further news on Rockingham -- has anyone in or out of NCDOT managed to advance that status to near-term rather than a 10+-year wait?  It seems that the eastern-state projects (I-42, upgrading the I-87 pathway, the Wilmington bypass, etc.) have superseded the 73/74 composite corridor (the WS I-74 bypass progress notwithstanding) as the locus of NC Interstate activity -- at least for the present.  Perhaps this change of focus is just cyclical activity partially due to internecine state politics -- with 73/74 regaining attention after some of the other projects mature.   
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on April 25, 2017, 05:32:28 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on April 25, 2017, 04:09:33 PM
Are there plans to extend Interstate 73 further north towards the Virginia state line anytime soon?

Not to my knowledge and if there aren't, then I doubt NCDOT would be willing to spend money to upgrade US-220 any further north until Virginia shows signs of building their part and by "signs", I mean actually breaking ground and not the usual hot air blowing from Richmond.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on April 25, 2017, 06:32:53 PM
Quote from: sparker on April 25, 2017, 04:45:19 PMIt seems that the eastern-state projects (I-42, upgrading the I-87 pathway, the Wilmington bypass, etc.) have superseded the 73/74 composite corridor (the WS I-74 bypass progress notwithstanding) as the locus of NC Interstate activity -- at least for the present.

As well they should. Up until recent years, eastern NC has usually gotten the shaft. Virginia is still many years from breaking ground (assuming they actually do it), and South Carolina wants the feds to pay for I-73 (good luck with that). The non-freeway sections of US-70 between Raleigh and Morehead City have been a nightmare for years and it's planned upgrade to I-42 has been long overdue. It should've been done years ago since it carries more traffic than the nearby US-264 and US-64 freeways, as well as serving as a hurricane evacuation route.

I-795's extension along US-117's corridor to I-40 makes sense because it would provide a high-speed shortcut between the Port of Wilmington and I-95 in Wilson. The new terrain alignment between the Mar-Mac area of Goldsboro and where I-795 currently ends will help relieve traffic on US-117 in that stretch, as well as provide a second Neuse River crossing since the US-117 bridges over the Neuse River are notoriously prone to flooding. It doesn't take much for those bridges to go under water.

As for I-87 and I-587, they can wait. I-87's corridor is already a freeway for nearly half it's length and with the exception of Hampton Roads, there's no support for I-87 in Virginia. The entire length of I-587's corridor is already a freeway with little traffic so I see no hurry to upgrade US-264.

Don't get me wrong. I think NCDOT did the right thing in building this latest section of I-73 since it gives easy access to the PTI airport from points north of Greensboro, as well as allowing for the taxiway to be built and W-S Northern Beltway will help relieve traffic there. But considering Virginia's politics and South Carolina's pipe dream of wanting the feds to foot the bill for I-73, any more money spent on I-73's extension would be a waste as things stand right now, IMO.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: roadman65 on April 25, 2017, 06:39:04 PM
I think I-73 will be an intrastate interstate like I-27 is and I-74 in NC will be like I-87 with another segment a few states away.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on April 25, 2017, 08:47:22 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on April 25, 2017, 04:09:33 PM
Are there plans to extend Interstate 73 further north towards the Virginia state line anytime soon?


sometime after 2027.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on April 25, 2017, 09:03:48 PM
Quote from: LM117 on April 25, 2017, 06:32:53 PM
Quote from: sparker on April 25, 2017, 04:45:19 PMIt seems that the eastern-state projects (I-42, upgrading the I-87 pathway, the Wilmington bypass, etc.) have superseded the 73/74 composite corridor (the WS I-74 bypass progress notwithstanding) as the locus of NC Interstate activity -- at least for the present.

As well they should. Up until recent years, eastern NC has usually gotten the shaft. Virginia is still many years from breaking ground (assuming they actually do it), and South Carolina wants the feds to pay for I-73 (good luck with that). The non-freeway sections of US-70 between Raleigh and Morehead City have been a nightmare for years and it's planned upgrade to I-42 has been long overdue. It should've been done years ago since it carries more traffic than the nearby US-264 and US-64 freeways, as well as serving as a hurricane evacuation route.

I-795's extension along US-117's corridor to I-40 makes sense because it would provide a high-speed shortcut between the Port of Wilmington and I-95 in Wilson. The new terrain alignment between the Mar-Mac area of Goldsboro and where I-795 currently ends will help relieve traffic on US-117 in that stretch, as well as provide a second Neuse River crossing since the US-117 bridges over the Neuse River are notoriously prone to flooding. It doesn't take much for those bridges to go under water.

As for I-87 and I-587, they can wait. I-87's corridor is already a freeway for nearly half it's length and with the exception of Hampton Roads, there's no support for I-87 in Virginia. The entire length of I-587's corridor is already a freeway with little traffic so I see no hurry to upgrade US-264.

Don't get me wrong. I think NCDOT did the right thing in building this latest section of I-73 since it gives easy access to the PTI airport from points north of Greensboro, as well as allowing for the taxiway to be built and W-S Northern Beltway will help relieve traffic there. But considering Virginia's politics and South Carolina's pipe dream of wanting the feds to foot the bill for I-73, any more money spent on I-73's extension would be a waste as things stand right now, IMO.





waste of money? sorry, I disagree.


Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on April 25, 2017, 09:05:23 PM
Quote from: sparker on April 25, 2017, 04:45:19 PM
Looks like, except for the "will-they-or-won't-they" status of the Rockingham bypass, that most of I-73, save the final sections to both state lines, will be a fait accompli in NC.  Any further news on Rockingham -- has anyone in or out of NCDOT managed to advance that status to near-term rather than a 10+-year wait?  It seems that the eastern-state projects (I-42, upgrading the I-87 pathway, the Wilmington bypass, etc.) have superseded the 73/74 composite corridor (the WS I-74 bypass progress notwithstanding) as the locus of NC Interstate activity -- at least for the present.  Perhaps this change of focus is just cyclical activity partially due to internecine state politics -- with 73/74 regaining attention after some of the other projects mature.   



The Virginia GA just passed the I-73 Bill not long ago (in January, I think). Last time I heard, the GA plans on to vote again in 2018 about I-73 bill. If approved, it will proceed with the reserving money for I-73, which is more likely be the same method they use to pay for U.S. 58 widening in the state. Right now, people who are involved in that I-73 bill is working on funding.

SC is waiting for the U.S. Corp of Engineers to approve or decline the permit for I-73 construction which should happen sometime soon, while they are doing that, Horry County is hoping to extend hospitality tax and use some of the money for their section of I-73 (upgrade SC 22 to interstate standards). They also are hoping to save up $100 million to show the feds they are serious about building the road from I-95 to Myrtle Beach.

I have been to many of their I-73 meetings and from what I saw, they are VERY serious about getting I-73 built.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: roadman65 on April 26, 2017, 05:41:06 AM
At least if they can get I-73 built from the NC Line to I-581 you still would have a decent interstate spanning several miles as from Roanoke south to Greensboro could use a freeway corridor and connecting with the existing US 220 corridor to Rockingham even if SC never gets to theirs it would be a long enough corridor to warrant a designation.

Anyway having I-81 have freeway access to the Piedmont Triad region is good enough as it is a populated area of NC and I-81 connects to the Northeast, so it would be great to induce commerce on a national level by having the connection.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 26, 2017, 11:49:13 AM
Quote from: Strider on April 25, 2017, 03:24:34 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on April 24, 2017, 06:40:33 PM
http://www.greensboro.com/news/local_news/i--from-airport-area-to-u-s-in-greensboro/article_a6c39688-04f7-56d3-beb9-5862194aa97d.html

This is somewhat old news (April 7 publication) but I don't recall seeing it in the Forum before. The section of I-73 between NC 68 and US 220 should open within days. The section between I-840 and NC 68 should be finished by the end of June, and the section concurrent with US 220 should be completed by October.




Yeah, the section of I-73 between NC 68 and US 220 should be open this week (hopefully by Saturday), unless there are weather delays. I just checked that area, they only need to do line painting at the on and off ramps and putting up the NC 68 and I-73 signs at the NC 68 interchange (Exit 111). I'd say the section is around 99.5% complete.
While no official news on the NC 68-US 220 Connector, NCDOT has posted a press release about the upcoming closure of Bryan Blvd west of PTI Airport so that the new I-73 connection to NC 68 can be completed, and the posted detour routes. On of the detour listings erroneously includes I-40, perhaps they meant to follow the signs 'To I-40' when accessing the Loop southbound. Also wonder if the detour signs will include I-73 shields:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13761 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13761)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on April 26, 2017, 01:33:14 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on April 26, 2017, 11:49:13 AM
Quote from: Strider on April 25, 2017, 03:24:34 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on April 24, 2017, 06:40:33 PM
http://www.greensboro.com/news/local_news/i--from-airport-area-to-u-s-in-greensboro/article_a6c39688-04f7-56d3-beb9-5862194aa97d.html

This is somewhat old news (April 7 publication) but I don't recall seeing it in the Forum before. The section of I-73 between NC 68 and US 220 should open within days. The section between I-840 and NC 68 should be finished by the end of June, and the section concurrent with US 220 should be completed by October.




Yeah, the section of I-73 between NC 68 and US 220 should be open this week (hopefully by Saturday), unless there are weather delays. I just checked that area, they only need to do line painting at the on and off ramps and putting up the NC 68 and I-73 signs at the NC 68 interchange (Exit 111). I'd say the section is around 99.5% complete.
While no official news on the NC 68-US 220 Connector, NCDOT has posted a press release about the upcoming closure of Bryan Blvd west of PTI Airport so that the new I-73 connection to NC 68 can be completed, and the posted detour routes. On of the detour listings erroneously includes I-40, perhaps they meant to follow the signs 'To I-40' when accessing the Loop southbound. Also wonder if the detour signs will include I-73 shields:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13761 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13761)


Good question. I guess we will find out on April 29th. Yeah, while there is no official news from NCDOT about the NC 68-US 220 Connector, I was told it should be finished by this Saturday, if not at least the first week of May. I will keep an eye.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 30, 2017, 05:10:13 PM
I have posted what could be the last photos before opening of the I-73 segment between NC 68 and US 220, such as this at the future NC 68 North interchange:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg4str417a.JPG&hash=61556f4b5ad233b468f32cf3c71b2a81fe9444aa)

sent to me by Strider. Most of the photos are on my I-73 Segment 3 page:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg3.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg3.html#photos)

while two are on the Segment 4 page:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html#photos)

Hopefully, the road will open some time this upcoming week.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on April 30, 2017, 07:00:14 PM
Quote from: Strider on April 26, 2017, 01:33:14 PM
Good question. I guess we will find out on April 29th. Yeah, while there is no official news from NCDOT about the NC 68-US 220 Connector, I was told it should be finished by this Saturday, if not at least the first week of May. I will keep an eye.
I'm sure no work was done during the heavy rain last Monday and Tuesday, so it's no surprise that the opening would be delayed a few days into next week.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 01, 2017, 09:17:26 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on April 30, 2017, 07:00:14 PM
Quote from: Strider on April 26, 2017, 01:33:14 PM
Good question. I guess we will find out on April 29th. Yeah, while there is no official news from NCDOT about the NC 68-US 220 Connector, I was told it should be finished by this Saturday, if not at least the first week of May. I will keep an eye.
I'm sure no work was done during the heavy rain last Monday and Tuesday, so it's no surprise that the opening would be delayed a few days into next week.


Seems like you are correct. (smile). The I-73 Connector between NC 68 and US 220 is delayed until Mid-May due to rain delay.

http://www.journalnow.com/news/local/i--connector-between-n-c-delayed-until-mid-may/article_14e2c91c-b811-5a44-b5a4-a40a97db01de.html

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on May 02, 2017, 09:34:43 AM
FWIW, I-73 is already an epic fail because all the other states further north pulled out of the grand plans for it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 02, 2017, 02:02:26 PM
Quote from: Henry on May 02, 2017, 09:34:43 AM
FWIW, I-73 is already an epic fail because all the other states further north pulled out of the grand plans for it.

Epic Fail? You must have not catch on what's going on out there. Only Ohio and Michigan pulled out.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on May 02, 2017, 06:51:13 PM
It seems unlikely West Virginia will construct its portion to Interstate Standards. Whether it will ever enter Virginia is up in the air. Ditto for South Carolina.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 03, 2017, 03:06:05 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 02, 2017, 06:51:13 PM
It seems unlikely West Virginia will construct its portion to Interstate Standards. Whether it will ever enter Virginia is up in the air. Ditto for South Carolina.


It will enter Virginia and South Carolina some day. It just won't go to Ohio or Michigan. Maybe not West Virginia.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: PColumbus73 on May 04, 2017, 04:25:12 PM
If I-73 can be built from South Carolina to Virginia, then I think it won't be a waste. I think that I-73 could help provide a western bypass of I-95 and the Northeast Corridor. Then someone can use I-73 to cut over to I-81 (then to I-78), and vice-versa.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on May 04, 2017, 06:16:25 PM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on May 04, 2017, 04:25:12 PM
If I-73 can be built from South Carolina to Virginia, then I think it won't be a waste. I think that I-73 could help provide a western bypass of I-95 and the Northeast Corridor. Then someone can use I-73 to cut over to I-81 (then to I-78), and vice-versa.
That's right; lots of people in North (and South) Carolina do this, and it's one of the reasons NC was so interested in this route.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on May 04, 2017, 06:31:23 PM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on May 04, 2017, 04:25:12 PM
If I-73 can be built from South Carolina to Virginia, then I think it won't be a waste. I think that I-73 could help provide a western bypass of I-95 and the Northeast Corridor. Then someone can use I-73 to cut over to I-81 (then to I-78), and vice-versa.

If I-77 weren't a parallel route several dozen miles to the west, you might have a very compelling point.  But it wouldn't hurt to have a "backup" corridor that would actually save about 20 miles (due to the trajectory differential between I-81 and I-85).  The problem lies with both VA and SC:  whereas NC (and their myriad interest groups) looks for reasons to deploy new Interstates (glass half full approach), the other two states seem to utilize the opposite approach (glass half empty) -- SC because of recurring fiscal issues, and VA due to rural facilities being far down the priority list.  We'll just have to see how long I-73 stays in "suspended animation"!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: PColumbus73 on May 05, 2017, 03:23:50 PM
Quote from: sparker on May 04, 2017, 06:31:23 PM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on May 04, 2017, 04:25:12 PM
If I-73 can be built from South Carolina to Virginia, then I think it won't be a waste. I think that I-73 could help provide a western bypass of I-95 and the Northeast Corridor. Then someone can use I-73 to cut over to I-81 (then to I-78), and vice-versa.

If I-77 weren't a parallel route several dozen miles to the west, you might have a very compelling point.  But it wouldn't hurt to have a "backup" corridor that would actually save about 20 miles (due to the trajectory differential between I-81 and I-85).  The problem lies with both VA and SC:  whereas NC (and their myriad interest groups) looks for reasons to deploy new Interstates (glass half full approach), the other two states seem to utilize the opposite approach (glass half empty) -- SC because of recurring fiscal issues, and VA due to rural facilities being far down the priority list.  We'll just have to see how long I-73 stays in "suspended animation"!

I think I-73 will have more of a convenience appeal than I-77. I agree that I-77 is a perfectly good route to use, being able to bypass the Charlotte metro area and that climb at Fancy Gap, VA could be considered a plus for someone going up the coast to DC or New York. I-77 would still be the way to go headed to the Midwest.

Currently, the South Carolina State Legislature is fighting over a roads bill right now, if it passes, hopefully there will be progress for I-73.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on May 05, 2017, 06:26:54 PM
Quote from: sparker on May 04, 2017, 06:31:23 PM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on May 04, 2017, 04:25:12 PM
If I-73 can be built from South Carolina to Virginia, then I think it won't be a waste. I think that I-73 could help provide a western bypass of I-95 and the Northeast Corridor. Then someone can use I-73 to cut over to I-81 (then to I-78), and vice-versa.

If I-77 weren't a parallel route several dozen miles to the west, you might have a very compelling point.  But it wouldn't hurt to have a "backup" corridor that would actually save about 20 miles (due to the trajectory differential between I-81 and I-85).  The problem lies with both VA and SC:  whereas NC (and their myriad interest groups) looks for reasons to deploy new Interstates (glass half full approach), the other two states seem to utilize the opposite approach (glass half empty) -- SC because of recurring fiscal issues, and VA due to rural facilities being far down the priority list.  We'll just have to see how long I-73 stays in "suspended animation"!
I'm not sure where you get the 20 miles figure.
Greensboro to Roanoke via Future I-73: about 100 miles
Greensboro to Roanoke via I-40/I-77/I-81: 226 miles
That's a substantial saving.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on May 05, 2017, 06:53:31 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on May 05, 2017, 06:26:54 PM
I'm not sure where you get the 20 miles figure.
Greensboro to Roanoke via Future I-73: about 100 miles
Greensboro to Roanoke via I-40/I-77/I-81: 226 miles
That's a substantial saving.
He's talking about it as a bypass to I-95, dummy. I could name any two cities without a direct Interstate connection and claim they need one, giving figures like yours. For example:
Macon to Augusta via Fall Line Freeway: 121 miles
Macon to Augusta via I-75/I-675/I-285/I-20: 215 miles
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 06, 2017, 11:57:27 AM
Quote from: NE2 on May 05, 2017, 06:53:31 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on May 05, 2017, 06:26:54 PM
I'm not sure where you get the 20 miles figure.
Greensboro to Roanoke via Future I-73: about 100 miles
Greensboro to Roanoke via I-40/I-77/I-81: 226 miles
That's a substantial saving.
He's talking about it as a bypass to I-95, dummy. I could name any two cities without a direct Interstate connection and claim they need one, giving figures like yours. For example:
Macon to Augusta via Fall Line Freeway: 121 miles
Macon to Augusta via I-75/I-675/I-285/I-20: 215 miles


It would still be an easy useful bypass for I-95 by avoiding Richmond, Washington DC, Baltimore, Philadelphia, and possibly NYC metro.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on May 06, 2017, 03:09:44 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on May 05, 2017, 06:26:54 PM
Quote from: sparker on May 04, 2017, 06:31:23 PM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on May 04, 2017, 04:25:12 PM
If I-73 can be built from South Carolina to Virginia, then I think it won't be a waste. I think that I-73 could help provide a western bypass of I-95 and the Northeast Corridor. Then someone can use I-73 to cut over to I-81 (then to I-78), and vice-versa.

If I-77 weren't a parallel route several dozen miles to the west, you might have a very compelling point.  But it wouldn't hurt to have a "backup" corridor that would actually save about 20 miles (due to the trajectory differential between I-81 and I-85).  The problem lies with both VA and SC:  whereas NC (and their myriad interest groups) looks for reasons to deploy new Interstates (glass half full approach), the other two states seem to utilize the opposite approach (glass half empty) -- SC because of recurring fiscal issues, and VA due to rural facilities being far down the priority list.  We'll just have to see how long I-73 stays in "suspended animation"!
I'm not sure where you get the 20 miles figure.
Greensboro to Roanoke via Future I-73: about 100 miles
Greensboro to Roanoke via I-40/I-77/I-81: 226 miles
That's a substantial saving.

I was thinking more of Charlotte as a starting point than Greensboro.  Even though US 220's something of a slog between Martinsville and Roanoke (especially when there's a lot of truck traffic), I can't imagine a Greensboro to Roanoke routing going all the way west to I-77 and then back again on I-81; a big fat squared-off "C"-shaped route! 

I was, more or less, looking at the differences between I-77 and the planned I-73 in terms of providing alternative northern (at least north as far as I-81) egress points for both I-95 and I-85. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on May 06, 2017, 06:50:48 PM
Quote from: sparker on May 06, 2017, 03:09:44 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on May 05, 2017, 06:26:54 PM
Quote from: sparker on May 04, 2017, 06:31:23 PM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on May 04, 2017, 04:25:12 PM
If I-73 can be built from South Carolina to Virginia, then I think it won't be a waste. I think that I-73 could help provide a western bypass of I-95 and the Northeast Corridor. Then someone can use I-73 to cut over to I-81 (then to I-78), and vice-versa.

If I-77 weren't a parallel route several dozen miles to the west, you might have a very compelling point.  But it wouldn't hurt to have a "backup" corridor that would actually save about 20 miles (due to the trajectory differential between I-81 and I-85).  The problem lies with both VA and SC:  whereas NC (and their myriad interest groups) looks for reasons to deploy new Interstates (glass half full approach), the other two states seem to utilize the opposite approach (glass half empty) -- SC because of recurring fiscal issues, and VA due to rural facilities being far down the priority list.  We'll just have to see how long I-73 stays in "suspended animation"!
I'm not sure where you get the 20 miles figure.
Greensboro to Roanoke via Future I-73: about 100 miles
Greensboro to Roanoke via I-40/I-77/I-81: 226 miles
That's a substantial saving.

I was thinking more of Charlotte as a starting point than Greensboro.  Even though US 220's something of a slog between Martinsville and Roanoke (especially when there's a lot of truck traffic), I can't imagine a Greensboro to Roanoke routing going all the way west to I-77 and then back again on I-81; a big fat squared-off "C"-shaped route! 

I was, more or less, looking at the differences between I-77 and the planned I-73 in terms of providing alternative northern (at least north as far as I-81) egress points for both I-95 and I-85.
A more realistic example: Greensboro to Roanoke via I-40/US 52 (Future I-74)/I-77/I-81 is almost exactly 150 miles, 50 miles longer than the direct route along I-73/US 220. So for those of us who live in the RDU Triangle area, Future I-73 saves 50 miles over a route using I-77.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dvferyance on May 06, 2017, 11:23:37 PM
Quote from: Strider on May 03, 2017, 03:06:05 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 02, 2017, 06:51:13 PM
It seems unlikely West Virginia will construct its portion to Interstate Standards. Whether it will ever enter Virginia is up in the air. Ditto for South Carolina.


It will enter Virginia and South Carolina some day. It just won't go to Ohio or Michigan. Maybe not West Virginia.
I would like to see I-74 extended east across OH-32 down US-23 to US-52 to I-64 in Huntington. I would end it there though the WV portion is not needed. Portions of OH-32 and US-52 are already freeway like.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on May 07, 2017, 12:01:44 AM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on May 06, 2017, 06:50:48 PM
A more realistic example: Greensboro to Roanoke via I-40/US 52 (Future I-74)/I-77/I-81 is almost exactly 150 miles, 50 miles longer than the direct route along I-73/US 220. So for those of us who live in the RDU Triangle area, Future I-73 saves 50 miles over a route using I-77.

I'm still trying to figure out how anyone (already) in Greensboro would ever even consider traipsing over to I-77 to get to Roanoke, freeway facility or not.  My mention of I-77 is relevant only to folks along any N-S (and yes, I'm including I-85 in this "family" regardless of actual trajectory) Interstate route: 77,85,95, etc. -- with the notable exception of those along either I-73 or the far southeastern reaches of I-74 (Rockingham eastward).  From there, the planned I-73 would, obviously, be advantageous; I-77 would be way, way out of the way!!!  But for travelers heading north from most of SC and points to the south (excepting Myrtle Beach - Florence) I-77 is quite adequate; even more so now that if central Charlotte is congested, the recently completed I-485 loop is available as an alternative.  And, like I've iterated previously, a completed I-73 to Roanoke would save some mileage -- although I originally calculated the 20-mile saving based on taking US 220 through Greensboro (a direct if "sloggy" routing); the bit of backtracking and convolutions of the I-73 alignment in the NW area of Greensboro actually reduces that difference -- when that U.C. portion of I-73 is opened to traffic -- to only about 8 miles and change:  this was calculated from the I-77/85 junction north of Charlotte to the I-81/581 junction north of downtown Roanoke.  That's a pretty negligible difference -- and even that is likely rendered moot by the fact that once out of Charlotte and environs, a I-77/81 routing doesn't have to pass through any metro areas posing potential congestion issues -- while a I-85/I-73 route slithers through Greensboro like a snake on acid! 

If one is in NC along or east of the I-73 corridor, or in the north SC coastal area then yes, I-73 would provide a more efficient way to get to Roanoke and/or I-81; otherwise, I-77 is more than adequate for that purpose. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 07, 2017, 08:23:47 AM
Quote from: dvferyance on May 06, 2017, 11:23:37 PM
I would like to see I-74 extended east across OH-32 down US-23 to US-52 to I-64 in Huntington. I would end it there though the WV portion is not needed. Portions of OH-32 and US-52 are already freeway like.[/quote]

Good luck with that. Ohio isn't interested in any new interstates, most recent example being OH-8 between I-77/I-76 in Akron and I-271 near Macedonia. There was a push from local officials along that corridor a few years ago to designate OH-8 as I-380, but ODOT refused to pursue it and pretty much told them to pound sand.

Sharp contrast from NC, where NCDOT is quick to pursue new interstate designations if there's strong local support for it. Look no further than eastern NC, where they gained future interstates I-42, I-87, I-587 and the future extension of I-795 from Goldsboro to I-40, all within a year.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on May 07, 2017, 03:14:03 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on May 06, 2017, 11:23:37 PMI would like to see I-74 extended east across OH-32 down US-23 to US-52 to I-64 in Huntington. I would end it there though the WV portion is not needed. Portions of OH-32 and US-52 are already freeway like.

Not really needed. The AA Highway moves traffic just fine between the Cincinnati and Ashland/Huntington area. And if you want to stay in Ohio, OH 32/US 23/US 52 is all four-lane with not enough traffic lights to be overly burdensome.

Not everything needs to be an interstate a limited-access full freeway (and yes, I still feel this way about US 220 between Martinsville and Roanoke, and US 31 between Indy and South Bend).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 07, 2017, 04:03:57 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on May 06, 2017, 11:23:37 PM
Quote from: Strider on May 03, 2017, 03:06:05 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 02, 2017, 06:51:13 PM
It seems unlikely West Virginia will construct its portion to Interstate Standards. Whether it will ever enter Virginia is up in the air. Ditto for South Carolina.


It will enter Virginia and South Carolina some day. It just won't go to Ohio or Michigan. Maybe not West Virginia.
I would like to see I-74 extended east across OH-32 down US-23 to US-52 to I-64 in Huntington. I would end it there though the WV portion is not needed. Portions of OH-32 and US-52 are already freeway like.


Yeah that would be very nice, but I cannot see it happening unless Ohio seriously wants I-74 extension. (or to have I-73 extended into there).

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MikeSantNY78 on May 08, 2017, 09:17:37 AM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on May 04, 2017, 04:25:12 PM
If I-73 can be built from South Carolina to Virginia, then I think it won't be a waste. I think that I-73 could help provide a western bypass of I-95 and the Northeast Corridor. Then someone can use I-73 to cut over to I-81 (then to I-78), and vice-versa.
Maybe it's possible to amend the legislation so the route of I-73 can be altered: from Roanoke, use I-81 to get to western VA, and maybe to a more-developed Corridor H, tying in (eventually) to US 219 in Grantsville, then through Western PA and WNY to the Buffalo area, thus breathing new life into the Continental 1 project; the possibility is there...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on May 08, 2017, 12:37:05 PM
Continental 1 doesn't need new life. It's a bullshit project.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on May 08, 2017, 11:13:22 PM
Quote from: MikeSantNY78 on May 08, 2017, 09:17:37 AM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on May 04, 2017, 04:25:12 PM
If I-73 can be built from South Carolina to Virginia, then I think it won't be a waste. I think that I-73 could help provide a western bypass of I-95 and the Northeast Corridor. Then someone can use I-73 to cut over to I-81 (then to I-78), and vice-versa.
Maybe it's possible to amend the legislation so the route of I-73 can be altered: from Roanoke, use I-81 to get to western VA, and maybe to a more-developed Corridor H, tying in (eventually) to US 219 in Grantsville, then through Western PA and WNY to the Buffalo area, thus breathing new life into the Continental 1 project; the possibility is there...
Quote from: NE2 on May 08, 2017, 12:37:05 PM
Continental 1 doesn't need new life. It's a bullshit project.

While a few segments of the overall Continental One plan may have merit as regional SIU's, the overall concept is simply overstated and speculative at best (NE2 is essentially correct on this one!).  The US 219 corridor in WVA will never, ever host enough traffic to warrant an expressway, much less an Interstate-grade facility (the portion carrying Corridor "H" notwithstanding).  Most of the function of that conceptual corridor is presently being fulfilled by already-developed parallel routes, particularly in the areas to the south of the southern US 219 terminus.  It's just unnecessary and duplicative! 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on May 09, 2017, 10:01:19 AM
Quote from: sparker on May 08, 2017, 11:13:22 PM
Quote from: MikeSantNY78 on May 08, 2017, 09:17:37 AM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on May 04, 2017, 04:25:12 PM
If I-73 can be built from South Carolina to Virginia, then I think it won't be a waste. I think that I-73 could help provide a western bypass of I-95 and the Northeast Corridor. Then someone can use I-73 to cut over to I-81 (then to I-78), and vice-versa.
Maybe it's possible to amend the legislation so the route of I-73 can be altered: from Roanoke, use I-81 to get to western VA, and maybe to a more-developed Corridor H, tying in (eventually) to US 219 in Grantsville, then through Western PA and WNY to the Buffalo area, thus breathing new life into the Continental 1 project; the possibility is there...
Quote from: NE2 on May 08, 2017, 12:37:05 PM
Continental 1 doesn't need new life. It's a bullshit project.

While a few segments of the overall Continental One plan may have merit as regional SIU's, the overall concept is simply overstated and speculative at best (NE2 is essentially correct on this one!).  The US 219 corridor in WVA will never, ever host enough traffic to warrant an expressway, much less an Interstate-grade facility (the portion carrying Corridor "H" notwithstanding).  Most of the function of that conceptual corridor is presently being fulfilled by already-developed parallel routes, particularly in the areas to the south of the southern US 219 terminus.  It's just unnecessary and duplicative! 
Yes, and besides, isn't that what I-79 is for? (Actually, you still need to take I-90 East to get from Erie to Buffalo, but US 219 is just fine as it is.)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on May 09, 2017, 01:07:24 PM
Heck, Continental 1 is actually LONGER than the existing routes.  Aside from a few sections that would be useful from a regional level, it's a solution in search of a problem.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on May 09, 2017, 02:38:37 PM
There's probably justification for building an improved US 219 between Erie and I-68, especially since there are disconnected segments of freeway/expressway along the corridor, but not down into West Virginia. Elkins to Marlinton to Lewisburg isn't exactly heavily traveled.

I can also see making improvements to US 220 between I-64 and Roanoke since it serves as a shortcut from the Covington/Clifton Forge area and acts as a hypotenuse of sorts (ducking).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on May 09, 2017, 04:12:18 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 09, 2017, 02:38:37 PM
I can also see making improvements to US 220 between I-64 and Roanoke since it serves as a shortcut from the Covington/Clifton Forge area and acts as a hypotenuse of sorts (ducking).

IIRC, that section of US 220 was actually part of High Priority Corridor #3, as a connection between I-64 and the continuation of that corridor across VA on US 460.  So it's been on someone's radar since 1991.  Now how it got to the "western" section of HPC 3 (which was the nascent I-66 cross-KY concept) through WVA was anyone's guess; the corridor language never spelled that out (although a combination of King Coal, Coalfields, and I-64 would have likely sufficed if developed).  HPC 3 was the very definition of a "corridor-by-committee"; a pretty pie-in-the-sky overall concept, but not terribly well thought-out -- the nuts & bolts just didn't fit -- and still don't!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 13, 2017, 05:58:27 PM
No news on when I-73 between NC 68 and US 220 will open, but it should soon. Meanwhile, I've posted photos Strider took of construction progress further north along US 220 which includes the opening the NC 68 South exit and new ramps to access NC 65. Here's a closeup of the signage for the NC 68 and NC 65 exits. Exit tabs will be added for future Exits 122 and 123 when construction is complete:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg2str517j.jpg&hash=47482411807117e6092986e5d319859b05699d53)

I've posted all the photos on my I-73 Segment 1  http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg1.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg1.html#photos)
and Segment 2 pages: http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on May 17, 2017, 04:44:06 PM
The section of I-73 from NC 68 to US 220 will open at noon Friday (5/19), weather permitting (and it will probably permit).
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=13848
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 17, 2017, 07:04:45 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on May 17, 2017, 04:44:06 PM
The section of I-73 from NC 68 to US 220 will open at noon Friday (5/19), weather permitting (and it will probably permit).
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=13848


Yeah I found out about it this afternoon. About time.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 18, 2017, 12:01:25 AM
Quote from: Strider on May 17, 2017, 07:04:45 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on May 17, 2017, 04:44:06 PM
The section of I-73 from NC 68 to US 220 will open at noon Friday (5/19), weather permitting (and it will probably permit).
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=13848
Here's the Greensboro News & Record article with 2 of the NCDOT photos from the press release:
http://www.greensboro.com/rockingham_now/news/danville/portion-of-i--in-guilford-opening-to-drivers/article_2270836a-3b42-11e7-9bb5-cb99c98e102c.html (http://www.greensboro.com/rockingham_now/news/danville/portion-of-i--in-guilford-opening-to-drivers/article_2270836a-3b42-11e7-9bb5-cb99c98e102c.html)

Here's one of the photos:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com%2Fgreensboro.com%2Fcontent%2Ftncms%2Fassets%2Fv3%2Feditorial%2Fa%2Fda%2Fada60cac-3b42-11e7-adaf-23c3eafec331%2F591cb81e62a60.image.jpg&hash=1185be9686551c9b650aeaced0a0d64a33531a7c)


Yeah I found out about it this afternoon. About time.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 19, 2017, 10:07:26 PM
Drove on the road today when it opened. I must say that they did very good job with the NC 68-US 220 Connector. It does help cut down travel time between NC 68 (Exit 111) and US 220 (Exit 119). My only complaint about the road is the tight curve at the US 220 interchange.

Now waiting for the section between NC 68 (Exit 111) and the PTI Airport interchange (Exit 109) to open later in July. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 19, 2017, 10:08:32 PM
Quote from: Strider on May 19, 2017, 10:07:26 PM
Drove on the road today when it opened. I must say that they did very good job with the NC 68-US 220 Connector. It does help cut down travel time between NC 68 (Exit 111) and US 220 (Exit 119). My only complaint about the road is the tight curve at the US 220 interchange.

Did they leave the I-73 shields up, or were they covered?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 19, 2017, 10:16:13 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on May 19, 2017, 10:08:32 PM
Quote from: Strider on May 19, 2017, 10:07:26 PM
Drove on the road today when it opened. I must say that they did very good job with the NC 68-US 220 Connector. It does help cut down travel time between NC 68 (Exit 111) and US 220 (Exit 119). My only complaint about the road is the tight curve at the US 220 interchange.

Did they leave the I-73 shields up, or were they covered?


The I-73 shields are up.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 21, 2017, 04:11:13 PM
Here are the YouTube link to the newly opened US 220-NC 68 Connector. You might have to view it in a full screen since it was filmed with the iPhone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuQoV1tJjb0 (northbound)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flyqWb5FHj4 (southbound)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 21, 2017, 04:37:21 PM
Neat! :cheers:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 21, 2017, 10:49:33 PM
Here's the photos of the new section of I-73 sent to me from Strider, including of the overhead signs at the temporary end of I-73 South:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg3str517v1.JPG&hash=569e9d6f00b7a001006cb75aa0cfbb5938ccbf7f)

The remainder of the photos can be seen on my I-73 Segment 3 page:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg3.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg3.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on May 22, 2017, 09:57:28 PM
Does anyone have a link to a good map of the project, showing what is open and what is being worked on?

I cannot find a high resolution map for this project.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 22, 2017, 11:20:37 PM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on May 22, 2017, 09:57:28 PM
Does anyone have a link to a good map of the project, showing what is open and what is being worked on?

I cannot find a high resolution map for this project.


http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/index.html

or

https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/futureI73/


Look for the section from NC 68 northeast to US 220, that is what is just opened (R-2413A). The section (I-5110) between NC 68 and Bryan Blvd should be open this summer.

The section from US 220 northwards to NC 68 (R-2413B) in Rockingham County should be finished in late fall.

You should be able to find the maps in the NCDOT section.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 22, 2017, 11:23:26 PM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on May 22, 2017, 09:57:28 PM
Does anyone have a link to a good map of the project, showing what is open and what is being worked on?

I cannot find a high resolution map for this project.
Here's the map on my site I got from the NCDOT website a couple years ago showing the route, what's open, and what's being worked on, a little out of date with some of the projects listed now complete:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi7374corr2015.jpg&hash=c28f83aa29aa9fbcfb64a69476cbeb493394491f)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on May 23, 2017, 12:49:29 PM
Why doesn't I-74 just go to Wilmington?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on May 23, 2017, 03:01:59 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on May 23, 2017, 12:49:29 PM
Why doesn't I-74 just go to Wilmington?

That would make much more sense than the reverse "C" routing through the swamps -- but the authors of HPC 5, the corridor's authorizing legislative effort, wanted both halves of the composite (73/74) corridor to serve Myrtle Beach & environs; although close, Wilmington wasn't on their radar.  It would take modifying legislation to that extant statute to change matters -- or, as a simpler alternative, designating US 74/76 east of NC 211 a x74 or (blech!) I-74N.  It's likely that some freeway upgrades to US 17 from Wilmington to the SC state line (in conjunction with that state's plans to extend SC 31 northeast to the line) will take place sooner or later; the portion of 74 along NC 211 could then be developed on an "infinitely leisurely" schedule, with the portion not on the original HPC 5 corridor being, in all probability, an extension of I-140.   
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 23, 2017, 03:12:02 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on May 23, 2017, 12:49:29 PM
Why doesn't I-74 just go to Wilmington?

Because it makes too much sense and that's something that Congress frowns upon.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on May 23, 2017, 03:38:00 PM
Isn't that the truth! :bigass:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mergingtraffic on May 23, 2017, 04:15:01 PM
How will the new I-73 corridor from NC-68 to US-220 connect to the current I-73 stub at Joseph Bryan Blvd?  I see via google maps there's also grading continuing northeast from Bryan Blvd.  What will that be?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on May 23, 2017, 04:18:07 PM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on May 23, 2017, 04:15:01 PM
How will the new I-73 corridor from US-68 to US-220 connect to the current I-73 stub at Joseph Bryan Blvd?  I see via google maps there's also grading continuing northeast from Bryan Blvd.  What will that be?

That would be the I-840 loop, co-signed with I-73 from I-40 north to Bryan Blvd.   It is planned (eventually) to return to I-40 at the I-85 split east of Greensboro; the last few miles will (again eventually) be multiplexed with I-785, the Greensboro-Danville (VA) spur more or less along US 29.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on May 23, 2017, 06:45:11 PM
Quote from: sparker on May 23, 2017, 03:01:59 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on May 23, 2017, 12:49:29 PM
Why doesn't I-74 just go to Wilmington?

That would make much more sense than the reverse "C" routing through the swamps -- but the authors of HPC 5, the corridor's authorizing legislative effort, wanted both halves of the composite (73/74) corridor to serve Myrtle Beach & environs; although close, Wilmington wasn't on their radar.  It would take modifying legislation to that extant statute to change matters -- or, as a simpler alternative, designating US 74/76 east of NC 211 a x74 or (blech!) I-74N.  It's likely that some freeway upgrades to US 17 from Wilmington to the SC state line (in conjunction with that state's plans to extend SC 31 northeast to the line) will take place sooner or later; the portion of 74 along NC 211 could then be developed on an "infinitely leisurely" schedule, with the portion not on the original HPC 5 corridor being, in all probability, an extension of I-140.   
Currently there is no plan to upgrade US 17 to interstate standards from I-140 to the South Carolina line. But there are two sections in the works: (1) upgrading the Shallotte bypass by converting the one at-grade intersection to an interchange; and (2) working with SC to extend the SC 31 freeway across the state line to connect to US 17.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on May 24, 2017, 01:44:15 AM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on May 23, 2017, 06:45:11 PM
Quote from: sparker on May 23, 2017, 03:01:59 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on May 23, 2017, 12:49:29 PM
Why doesn't I-74 just go to Wilmington?

That would make much more sense than the reverse "C" routing through the swamps -- but the authors of HPC 5, the corridor's authorizing legislative effort, wanted both halves of the composite (73/74) corridor to serve Myrtle Beach & environs; although close, Wilmington wasn't on their radar.  It would take modifying legislation to that extant statute to change matters -- or, as a simpler alternative, designating US 74/76 east of NC 211 a x74 or (blech!) I-74N.  It's likely that some freeway upgrades to US 17 from Wilmington to the SC state line (in conjunction with that state's plans to extend SC 31 northeast to the line) will take place sooner or later; the portion of 74 along NC 211 could then be developed on an "infinitely leisurely" schedule, with the portion not on the original HPC 5 corridor being, in all probability, an extension of I-140.   
Currently there is no plan to upgrade US 17 to interstate standards from I-140 to the South Carolina line. But there are two sections in the works: (1) upgrading the Shallotte bypass by converting the one at-grade intersection to an interchange; and (2) working with SC to extend the SC 31 freeway across the state line to connect to US 17.

For NC, these are "baby steps".  While at present they've got a lot on their plate (42/87/587), it's probable that somewhere down the line upgrade attention will be cast upon the entire US 17 corridor -- and these "spot" improvements will be incorporated into that program. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on May 24, 2017, 09:28:50 AM
Quote from: sparker on May 23, 2017, 03:01:59 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on May 23, 2017, 12:49:29 PM
Why doesn't I-74 just go to Wilmington?

That would make much more sense than the reverse "C" routing through the swamps -- but the authors of HPC 5, the corridor's authorizing legislative effort, wanted both halves of the composite (73/74) corridor to serve Myrtle Beach & environs; although close, Wilmington wasn't on their radar.  It would take modifying legislation to that extant statute to change matters -- or, as a simpler alternative, designating US 74/76 east of NC 211 a x74 or (blech!) I-74N.  It's likely that some freeway upgrades to US 17 from Wilmington to the SC state line (in conjunction with that state's plans to extend SC 31 northeast to the line) will take place sooner or later; the portion of 74 along NC 211 could then be developed on an "infinitely leisurely" schedule, with the portion not on the original HPC 5 corridor being, in all probability, an extension of I-140.   
It also would've been nice to have I-20 extend into Wilmington, as sort of a consolation prize for not getting I-74, but that won't happen either.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 24, 2017, 10:03:55 AM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on May 23, 2017, 04:15:01 PM
How will the new I-73 corridor from NC-68 to US-220 connect to the current I-73 stub at Joseph Bryan Blvd?  I see via google maps there's also grading continuing northeast from Bryan Blvd.  What will that be?


They are working on connecting the NC 68-US 220 Connector with the current I-73 stub at the I-840/Bryan Blvd interchange in which I-73 will continue west along Bryan Blvd. Technically I-73 stub is currently at the PTI Airport interchange (Exit 109).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: amroad17 on May 25, 2017, 12:49:29 AM
Does I-73 have the "kink" in it to avoid Lake Brandt (and the wetlands associated with it)?  Or is it built that way to provide access to PTI Airport?

Looking at Google Maps, US 220 wouldn't need an "overabundant" upgrade from NC 68 to Virginia to become I-73.  After the state line, who knows what will occur.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Bobby5280 on May 25, 2017, 02:46:45 PM
Quote from: HenryIt also would've been nice to have I-20 extend into Wilmington, as sort of a consolation prize for not getting I-74, but that won't happen either.

I still think I-20 should be extended to Wilmington. That's a significant shipping port directly East of Atlanta.

I also think it's screwy to propose both I-73 and I-74 into the Myrtle Beach area. It would have been better to have I-74 and/or I-20 go into Wilmington. As it stands a bunch of US-74 in North Carolina is getting upgraded to Interstate quality already, from the intersection of I-26 on East. The US-74 freeway from I-26 ends at Mooresboro, but a few freeway will bypass Shelby and fill in the non-freeway gap to I-85 in Kings Mountain. A new US-74 freeway bypass is getting built SE of Charlotte. Once that is finished there won't be very much non-freeway road the rest of the way to Wilmington. If NC DOT does fill in all of US-74 from I-26 to Wilmington as Interstate quality (barring Independence Road in Charlotte) I wonder if they'll try to get an Interstate designation for that. Something like I-36 would go along with the I-26 and I-16 routes in the same region.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: VTGoose on May 25, 2017, 02:48:05 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 09, 2017, 02:38:37 PM
There's probably justification for building an improved US 219 between Erie and I-68, especially since there are disconnected segments of freeway/expressway along the corridor, but not down into West Virginia. Elkins to Marlinton to Lewisburg isn't exactly heavily traveled.

I'm sure the folks who operate Snowshoe and the other ski resorts north of Marlinton would be happy to have an improved highway to help get visitors to their resorts.

Bruce in Blacksburg
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on May 25, 2017, 04:41:15 PM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on May 25, 2017, 02:46:45 PM
Quote from: HenryIt also would've been nice to have I-20 extend into Wilmington, as sort of a consolation prize for not getting I-74, but that won't happen either.

I still think I-20 should be extended to Wilmington. That's a significant shipping port directly East of Atlanta.

I also think it's screwy to propose both I-73 and I-74 into the Myrtle Beach area. It would have been better to have I-74 and/or I-20 go into Wilmington. As it stands a bunch of US-74 in North Carolina is getting upgraded to Interstate quality already, from the intersection of I-26 on East. The US-74 freeway from I-26 ends at Mooresboro, but a few freeway will bypass Shelby and fill in the non-freeway gap to I-85 in Kings Mountain. A new US-74 freeway bypass is getting built SE of Charlotte. Once that is finished there won't be very much non-freeway road the rest of the way to Wilmington. If NC DOT does fill in all of US-74 from I-26 to Wilmington as Interstate quality (barring Independence Road in Charlotte) I wonder if they'll try to get an Interstate designation for that. Something like I-36 would go along with the I-26 and I-16 routes in the same region.

I'll predict that it's almost inevitable that NCDOT eventually proposes an Interstate corridor along US 74 between I-26 and Rockingham/I-73/74; I-36 would be as appropriate a designation as any.  Whether it penetrates central Charlotte is another thing; multiplexing around the south side with I-485 might be a possibility.

Getting politics involved in corridor planning is a double-edged sword; on one hand, you get progress where without partisan involvement nothing might have been done -- but on the other hand, you occasionally get things like the largely duplicative I-73 and I-74 dual corridors -- essentially designed to provide service to as many Congressional districts as feasible (at least to those who "signed on" to the original HPC-5 proposal) on both sides of the SC/NC state line.  I know Myrtle Beach is the prime tourist destination in the region (and the crappy T-shirt capital of Western Civilization), but two separate Interstate corridor as area servers? Please!!  However, it's likely the same dynamic as the I-69 (pick your suffix) "trident" in South Texas -- the original backers and/or their successors are having enough trouble getting the show on the road for this project (at least in SC) and they don't want to rock the boat with alternate designations and detours via Wilmington until funding is locked down (at which point adjustments may be considered).  Politicos -- and the agencies dependent upon them for funding -- are skittish folks pathologically afraid of the unknown or uncertain.  The 73/74 concept as originally outlined will likely be dragged on until virtually completed (I'm guessing that the swampy portion along NC 211 will be the last undeveloped segment); any adjustments will likely be last-minute changes or even "retrofits".   
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 25, 2017, 08:37:53 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on May 25, 2017, 12:49:29 AM
Does I-73 have the "kink" in it to avoid Lake Brandt (and the wetlands associated with it)?  Or is it built that way to provide access to PTI Airport?

Looking at Google Maps, US 220 wouldn't need an "overabundant" upgrade from NC 68 to Virginia to become I-73.  After the state line, who knows what will occur.


It is built to provide a direct access to the PTI Airport from points north of Greensboro. I-73 does not come very close to Lake Brandt, but one of the alternatives in the past before deciding on the US 220-NC 68 Connector is for the interstate to use US 220 all the way from the Loop (in which it will cross Lake Brandt), but it was shot down due to development on Battleground and it was way too expensive to convert Battleground to interstate standards.

The NCDOT spokesperson told me the other day that upgrading the section of US 220 from the temp end of I-73 (Exit 123) to Virginia state is a couple of years away, but is on schedule.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 25, 2017, 08:41:59 PM
Quote from: sparker on May 25, 2017, 04:41:15 PM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on May 25, 2017, 02:46:45 PM
Quote from: HenryIt also would've been nice to have I-20 extend into Wilmington, as sort of a consolation prize for not getting I-74, but that won't happen either.

I still think I-20 should be extended to Wilmington. That's a significant shipping port directly East of Atlanta.

I also think it's screwy to propose both I-73 and I-74 into the Myrtle Beach area. It would have been better to have I-74 and/or I-20 go into Wilmington. As it stands a bunch of US-74 in North Carolina is getting upgraded to Interstate quality already, from the intersection of I-26 on East. The US-74 freeway from I-26 ends at Mooresboro, but a few freeway will bypass Shelby and fill in the non-freeway gap to I-85 in Kings Mountain. A new US-74 freeway bypass is getting built SE of Charlotte. Once that is finished there won't be very much non-freeway road the rest of the way to Wilmington. If NC DOT does fill in all of US-74 from I-26 to Wilmington as Interstate quality (barring Independence Road in Charlotte) I wonder if they'll try to get an Interstate designation for that. Something like I-36 would go along with the I-26 and I-16 routes in the same region.

I'll predict that it's almost inevitable that NCDOT eventually proposes an Interstate corridor along US 74 between I-26 and Rockingham/I-73/74; I-36 would be as appropriate a designation as any.  Whether it penetrates central Charlotte is another thing; multiplexing around the south side with I-485 might be a possibility.

Getting politics involved in corridor planning is a double-edged sword; on one hand, you get progress where without partisan involvement nothing might have been done -- but on the other hand, you occasionally get things like the largely duplicative I-73 and I-74 dual corridors -- essentially designed to provide service to as many Congressional districts as feasible (at least to those who "signed on" to the original HPC-5 proposal) on both sides of the SC/NC state line.  I know Myrtle Beach is the prime tourist destination in the region (and the crappy T-shirt capital of Western Civilization), but two separate Interstate corridor as area servers? Please!!  However, it's likely the same dynamic as the I-69 (pick your suffix) "trident" in South Texas -- the original backers and/or their successors are having enough trouble getting the show on the road for this project (at least in SC) and they don't want to rock the boat with alternate designations and detours via Wilmington until funding is locked down (at which point adjustments may be considered).  Politicos -- and the agencies dependent upon them for funding -- are skittish folks pathologically afraid of the unknown or uncertain.  The 73/74 concept as originally outlined will likely be dragged on until virtually completed (I'm guessing that the swampy portion along NC 211 will be the last undeveloped segment); any adjustments will likely be last-minute changes or even "retrofits".   


I never liked the I-74's routing to Myrtle Beach. The area is proposed to be served by I-73 and that should be enough. I-74 should either go to Wilmington or just end at I-73 near Randleman.

The NC 211 section will more likely be the last segment of I-74 completed, but I can see I-74 going to Wilmington instead of following NC 211.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: PColumbus73 on May 25, 2017, 09:03:00 PM
Quote

  I know Myrtle Beach is the prime tourist destination in the region (and the crappy T-shirt capital of Western Civilization), but two separate Interstate corridor as area servers?   

As a resident of Myrtle Beach, I giggled at the accuracy of this comment.

But seriously, I-73 is more than enough for the Myrtle Beach area. Locals have not brought up I-74 for a few years. I wonder why North Carolina is not interested in upgrading US 74 between Charlotte and Wilmington, it seems like it would be an opportunity to promote the port in Wilmington.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Revive 755 on May 25, 2017, 09:21:07 PM
Quote from: sparker on May 25, 2017, 04:41:15 PM
I know Myrtle Beach is the prime tourist destination in the region (and the crappy T-shirt capital of Western Civilization), but two separate Interstate corridor as area servers?

I can see two - one parallel to US 501 (I-73), and a coastal route parallel to US 17 (partially proposed I-74, but in a more perfect world part of at least a Charleston to Wilmington route).  Maybe even a third one spurring off I-95 and running near US 378 depending how far north of Florence I-73 runs.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on May 25, 2017, 09:59:01 PM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on May 25, 2017, 09:03:00 PM
Quote

  I know Myrtle Beach is the prime tourist destination in the region (and the crappy T-shirt capital of Western Civilization), but two separate Interstate corridor as area servers?   

As a resident of Myrtle Beach, I giggled at the accuracy of this comment.

But seriously, I-73 is more than enough for the Myrtle Beach area. Locals have not brought up I-74 for a few years. I wonder why North Carolina is not interested in upgrading US 74 between Charlotte and Wilmington, it seems like it would be an opportunity to promote the port in Wilmington.
Quote from: Revive 755 on May 25, 2017, 09:21:07 PM
I can see two - one parallel to US 501 (I-73), and a coastal route parallel to US 17 (partially proposed I-74, but in a more perfect world part of at least a Charleston to Wilmington route).  Maybe even a third one spurring off I-95 and running near US 378 depending how far north of Florence I-73 runs.

Forgive me for edging ever closer to the Fictional realm, but a prospective Interstate corridor along US 74 from Rockingham west via Charlotte to I-26 was discussed a few posts back; a truly coastal Interstate corridor mainly along US 17 in NC has been bandied about for some time now; progress (mostly nascent expressway segments) has been made sporadically toward a more modest (at least initially) facility.  But given NC's penchant for new and exciting Interstate designations, it wouldn't be totally unexpected to see a N-S coastal corridor proposed in the not-too-distant future.  However, south of the Myrtle Beach area things take a less promising turn; a combination of environmental and NIMBY activity truncated the potential coastal Interstate corridor at Georgetown.  With the controversies surrounding a short extension of I-526 in the Charleston area still rampant, the probability of a Georgetown-Charleston extension is currently slim & none!  That being said, a later addition to the HPC 5 corridor definition designated a Georgetown-Camden segment, ostensibly along or near US 521, to the corridor litany.  If a lengthy coastal corridor north of Georgetown (i.e., SC 31) and extending through NC ever became reality, this E-W segment, "tweaked" a little, could potentially be a connection to I-95 while avoiding the sensitive coastal areas.   

As far as Myrtle Beach is concerned, a completed I-73 would be more than enough; if it crosses I-95 at or near SC 38, it would make an effective if not seamless routing to the resort area from I-20.  The convoluted I-74 routing is gratuitous; any Interstate deployed along SC 31 would function best if it extended right up the general US 17 alignment to Wilmington -- and possibly beyond. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on May 25, 2017, 10:25:34 PM
An interstate grade bypass for US 74 North of Shelby is now fully funded with ROW acquisition underway along NC 18, 180 and 150
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 26, 2017, 07:46:20 AM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on May 25, 2017, 02:46:45 PM
I still think I-20 should be extended to Wilmington. That's a significant shipping port directly East of Atlanta.

I agree. During the mid-2000's while Mike Easley was governor, NC wanted I-20 extended to Wilmington, but SC refused because they were afraid that tourist traffic would be diverted away from Myrtle Beach towards Wilmington. I think it's stupid because if someone wants to go to Myrtle Beach, they're gonna go regardless of whether or not I-20 is extended.

Yet SC wants I-74 to go to Myrtle Beach...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 26, 2017, 07:53:53 AM
Quote from: sparker on May 25, 2017, 09:59:01 PMThe convoluted I-74 routing is gratuitous; any Interstate deployed along SC 31 would function best if it extended right up the general US 17 alignment to Wilmington -- and possibly beyond.

If it wasn't for Congress screwing things up, having I-74 end in Wilmington and extending I-140 from Wilmington to Myrtle Beach would be the way to go.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on May 26, 2017, 09:47:37 AM
I'm all for an interstate along US 74, because that would mean NC's largest city getting a true east-west route. Although the I-485 routing is fine, I would prefer to see it go through town via I-85, NC 16, I-277 and the upgraded US 74. Sure, it would go through an urban Breezewood, but it's a straight shot compared to the roundabout alternative.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on May 26, 2017, 06:02:09 PM
Edging back from fictional territory, here's what I think (from an NC point of view, that is).

Conversion of US 74 to an interstate from I-26 to Wilmington: It's pretty much inevitable. Watch Shelby. With construction on the Shelby Bypass underway, it's only a matter of time before someone in Shelby says, why don't we have this as an interstate highway? And Wilmington is on record wanting an interstate connection along US 74.

Conversion of all of US 17 in NC to an interstate: not impossible, but not any time soon. We'll see additional freeway sections, but I don't see any push for a full interstate.

Connecting I-74 to Myrtle Beach: never going to happen. NCDOT has zero motivation to build that section through the swamps from US 74 to US 17.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 26, 2017, 08:15:44 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on May 26, 2017, 06:02:09 PM
Edging back from fictional territory, here's what I think (from an NC point of view, that is).

Conversion of US 74 to an interstate from I-26 to Wilmington: It's pretty much inevitable. Watch Shelby. With construction on the Shelby Bypass underway, it's only a matter of time before someone in Shelby says, why don't we have this as an interstate highway? And Wilmington is on record wanting an interstate connection along US 74.

Conversion of all of US 17 in NC to an interstate: not impossible, but not any time soon. We'll see additional freeway sections, but I don't see any push for a full interstate.

Connecting I-74 to Myrtle Beach: never going to happen. NCDOT has zero motivation to build that section through the swamps from US 74 to US 17.

US-74's conversion between I-26 and Wilmington would probably be made up of shorter interstates rather than one long 3-di. I-x26 between I-26 and I-85, I-x74 between I-485 and I-74 in Rockingham. It would certainly be easier than trying to ram one long corridor through Congress.

I don't see a push for US-17 (sans I-87) to become an interstate, either.

I also don't see NCDOT sending I-74 to Myrtle Beach. I-74's routing through the swamps is a huge invitation for lawsuits. Hell, NCDOT is already being sued over the US-70 Havelock Bypass and it hasn't even broke ground yet.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on May 27, 2017, 03:41:36 PM
Granted that I have only traveled the section of US 74 approaching Wilmington from the west once, but I do not remember it being so heavily traveled or plagued by stoplights that it needs to be an interstate. It's fine as it is; as a four-lane surface route.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 27, 2017, 04:42:31 PM
Quote from: LM117 on May 26, 2017, 08:15:44 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on May 26, 2017, 06:02:09 PM
Edging back from fictional territory, here's what I think (from an NC point of view, that is).

Conversion of US 74 to an interstate from I-26 to Wilmington: It's pretty much inevitable. Watch Shelby. With construction on the Shelby Bypass underway, it's only a matter of time before someone in Shelby says, why don't we have this as an interstate highway? And Wilmington is on record wanting an interstate connection along US 74.

Conversion of all of US 17 in NC to an interstate: not impossible, but not any time soon. We'll see additional freeway sections, but I don't see any push for a full interstate.

Connecting I-74 to Myrtle Beach: never going to happen. NCDOT has zero motivation to build that section through the swamps from US 74 to US 17.

US-74's conversion between I-26 and Wilmington would probably be made up of shorter interstates rather than one long 3-di. I-x26 between I-26 and I-85, I-x74 between I-485 and I-74 in Rockingham. It would certainly be easier than trying to ram one long corridor through Congress.

I don't see a push for US-17 (sans I-87) to become an interstate, either.

I also don't see NCDOT sending I-74 to Myrtle Beach. I-74's routing through the swamps is a huge invitation for lawsuits. Hell, NCDOT is already being sued over the US-70 Havelock Bypass and it hasn't even broke ground yet.


I don't see I-74 going to Myrtle Beach either. There is no reason for it to be. and NCDOT is being sued over US-70 Havelock Bypass? What's up with that?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 27, 2017, 06:59:24 PM
Quote from: Strider on May 27, 2017, 04:42:31 PM
Quote from: LM117 on May 26, 2017, 08:15:44 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on May 26, 2017, 06:02:09 PM
Edging back from fictional territory, here's what I think (from an NC point of view, that is).

Conversion of US 74 to an interstate from I-26 to Wilmington: It's pretty much inevitable. Watch Shelby. With construction on the Shelby Bypass underway, it's only a matter of time before someone in Shelby says, why don't we have this as an interstate highway? And Wilmington is on record wanting an interstate connection along US 74.

Conversion of all of US 17 in NC to an interstate: not impossible, but not any time soon. We'll see additional freeway sections, but I don't see any push for a full interstate.

Connecting I-74 to Myrtle Beach: never going to happen. NCDOT has zero motivation to build that section through the swamps from US 74 to US 17.

US-74's conversion between I-26 and Wilmington would probably be made up of shorter interstates rather than one long 3-di. I-x26 between I-26 and I-85, I-x74 between I-485 and I-74 in Rockingham. It would certainly be easier than trying to ram one long corridor through Congress.

I don't see a push for US-17 (sans I-87) to become an interstate, either.

I also don't see NCDOT sending I-74 to Myrtle Beach. I-74's routing through the swamps is a huge invitation for lawsuits. Hell, NCDOT is already being sued over the US-70 Havelock Bypass and it hasn't even broke ground yet.


I don't see I-74 going to Myrtle Beach either. There is no reason for it to be. and NCDOT is being sued over US-70 Havelock Bypass? What's up with that?

The lawsuit was filed last December by the SELC on behalf of the Sierra Club.

http://m.carolinacoastonline.com/news_times/article_50712c34-ce90-11e6-9881-032046d32e11.html?mode=jqm (http://m.carolinacoastonline.com/news_times/article_50712c34-ce90-11e6-9881-032046d32e11.html?mode=jqm)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: slorydn1 on May 31, 2017, 04:12:32 PM
The only thing I hate more than a NIMBY is a rabid environmentalist-not the ones truly concerned with curbing toxic waste dumps, things of that nature, but the ones who are all in on suing because a couple of trees get cut down.

The Sierra Club is concerned that some 100 year old tall long leaf pines will have to be cut down for this road. They need to get their ass out of the forest so they can see all the trees, because the Croatan is loaded with millions of them, the loss of a few thousand to put the road through is not that big a deal.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: orulz on June 01, 2017, 09:07:28 AM
There are some places where cuttings few trees down really is a big deal. And sometimes there are reasonable compromise positions that strike a balance. To me, the problem comes when environmental organizations stop looking for those reasonable compromises or get hijacked by outside interests with ulterior motives.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 01, 2017, 12:45:22 PM
Quote from: orulz on June 01, 2017, 09:07:28 AM
There are some places where cuttings few trees down really is a big deal. And sometimes there are reasonable compromise positions that strike a balance. To me, the problem comes when environmental organizations stop looking for those reasonable compromises or get hijacked by outside interests with ulterior motives.


When the DOTs follow the proper procedures, they shouldn't get sued, but get sued anyways. I think the NIMBYs are just out for money.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Finrod on June 03, 2017, 03:52:03 PM
Quote from: orulz on June 01, 2017, 09:07:28 AM
There are some places where cuttings few trees down really is a big deal. And sometimes there are reasonable compromise positions that strike a balance. To me, the problem comes when environmental organizations stop looking for those reasonable compromises or get hijacked by outside interests with ulterior motives.

The problem is, most environmental organizations don't want reasonable compromise, they want what they want and damn the rest of humanity.  I get the strong feeling that some of them don't even want human beings on the planet at all.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on June 03, 2017, 04:14:40 PM
I've heard that environmentalists believe humans are the cancer of the Earth. So they would oppose anything that benefits humanity.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on June 03, 2017, 08:45:26 PM
I've heard that environmentalists want to eat your firstborn child.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 09, 2017, 11:42:14 AM
NC Governor Cooper officially 'opens' new section of I-73 in Greensboro (entire route won't really be open until July):
https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13938 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13938)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MikeSantNY78 on June 12, 2017, 05:51:55 PM
Quote from: Strider on June 01, 2017, 12:45:22 PM
Quote from: orulz on June 01, 2017, 09:07:28 AM
There are some places where cuttings few trees down really is a big deal. And sometimes there are reasonable compromise positions that strike a balance. To me, the problem comes when environmental organizations stop looking for those reasonable compromises or get hijacked by outside interests with ulterior motives.


When the DOTs follow the proper procedures, they shouldn't get sued, but get sued anyways. I think the NIMBYs are just out for money.
Or attention...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Finrod on June 13, 2017, 01:21:06 PM
Quote from: orulz on June 01, 2017, 09:07:28 AM
To me, the problem comes when environmental organizations stop looking for those reasonable compromises or get hijacked by outside interests with ulterior motives.
This is an example of Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy.

http://www.jerrypournelle.com/reports/jerryp/iron.html (http://www.jerrypournelle.com/reports/jerryp/iron.html)

Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy states that in any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people:

     First, there will be those who are devoted to the goals of the organization. Examples are dedicated classroom teachers in an educational bureaucracy, many of the engineers and launch technicians and scientists at NASA, even some agricultural scientists and advisors in the former Soviet Union collective farming administration.

    Secondly, there will be those dedicated to the organization itself. Examples are many of the administrators in the education system, many professors of education, many teachers union officials, much of the NASA headquarters staff, etc.

The Iron Law states that in every case the second group will gain and keep control of the organization. It will write the rules, and control promotions within the organization.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 16, 2017, 03:35:17 PM
This NCDOT press release has a link to a video showing the ribbon-cutting for I-73 and the taxiway bridge, including views of the I-73 roadway under construction:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=13972 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=13972)

I have also posted recent photos contributed of Rockingham Bypass construction on my I-73 Segment 11 page:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 23, 2017, 09:17:36 PM
An NCDOT official has told Strider that the I-73 section between Bryan Blvd. and NC 68 should open next Friday, June 30, barring a lot of rain in the next week.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 28, 2017, 01:41:53 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on June 23, 2017, 09:17:36 PM
An NCDOT official has told Strider that the I-73 section between Bryan Blvd. and NC 68 should open next Friday, June 30, barring a lot of rain in the next week.


It has been moved to July 3rd per this link:

http://myfox8.com/2017/06/27/bryan-boulevard-to-open-in-july-following-construction/
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 29, 2017, 11:28:46 AM
The completion of the I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass has been added back to the 2018-2027 Draft STIP for Division 8. The project is now to start in 2026:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=14010] (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=14010)

It appears though that the project to upgrade US 74 to Interstate Standards in Scotland and Robeson counties is still unfunded. Perhaps though once the Rockingham project gets closer to starting there will be a move to complete the missing part of I-74 from Rockingham to Maxton.

The Division 6 STIP though has been modified to move the creation of an interchange for US 74 at Boardman Road in Columbus County from 2025 to 2021:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=14009] (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=14009)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 29, 2017, 01:58:39 PM
2026 is a little far away, but at least it is better than unfunded. Should have been completed along with the current construction, IMO.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 30, 2017, 09:21:51 PM
The section of I-73 from Bryan/I-840 to NC 68 (Exit 107-110) will be open on Sunday between 8pm and Midnight. The construction is finished. They are putting signs up in hurry. When that road is open, there will be a continuous I-73 from Exit 25 to Exit 119 for now.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 03, 2017, 12:22:46 PM
The new section of I-73 is open. There's some video of driving along the new roadway in this news story:
http://myfox8.com/2017/07/03/bryan-boulevard-reopens-following-construction/ (http://myfox8.com/2017/07/03/bryan-boulevard-reopens-following-construction/)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on July 03, 2017, 12:51:32 PM
Is it all now in (at least roughly) its final configuration, including the old Bryan Blvd. dead-ending? If so I'll update OSM.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 03, 2017, 02:22:36 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on July 03, 2017, 12:51:32 PM
Is it all now in (at least roughly) its final configuration, including the old Bryan Blvd. dead-ending? If so I'll update OSM.


Yes, that is right. it is the final configuration.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: BrianP on July 03, 2017, 03:18:15 PM
So the trumpet interchange on NC 68 that used to be part of Bryan Blvd connects to what now?  Has the signage on NC 68 changed for the exit?  Seems likely that this should be put on the overpowered interchange list.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on July 03, 2017, 03:23:08 PM
There's still the light there, but past that it narrows to two lanes and ends at a cul-de-sac right before the new I-73.

More questions though: has all the signage along Bryan Blvd. and the Urban Loop been updated to make I-73 continuous? Also, is it known where the Bryan Blvd name now ends for the expressway segment? The airport interchange? The 73/future 840 interchange? And what's the speed limit on this latest connector and the segment that opened earlier?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 03, 2017, 06:19:23 PM
Quote from: BrianP on July 03, 2017, 03:18:15 PM
So the trumpet interchange on NC 68 that used to be part of Bryan Blvd connects to what now?  Has the signage on NC 68 changed for the exit?  Seems likely that this should be put on the overpowered interchange list.

It is now connected to Regional Road (local access only) and ends right before at I-73/PTI Airport interchange (Exit 109).

Yes, it is just changed to "Old Bryan Blvd" for that trumpet interchange. The reminder of the signages will be changed after the holiday.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 03, 2017, 06:22:56 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on July 03, 2017, 03:23:08 PM


More questions though: has all the signage along Bryan Blvd. and the Urban Loop been updated to make I-73 continuous? Also, is it known where the Bryan Blvd name now ends for the expressway segment? The airport interchange? The 73/future 840 interchange? And what's the speed limit on this latest connector and the segment that opened earlier?



Nope. Some current signs still exist, so after the holiday, NCDOT will immediately go back to work and change every signage to make I-73 continuous. For now, the VMS directs motorists to I-73 North.

Bryan Blvd now start at I-73/I-840 interchange and going east. The speed limit on the connector is 65 once you go past the PTI Airport interchange. 55 between the PTI Airport and I-840/I-73 interchange.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on July 03, 2017, 10:17:25 PM
The taxiway bridge looks impressive!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 03, 2017, 11:43:24 PM
I have posted photos Strider has taken of the new segment of I-73, including the taxiway bridge:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg4str717k2.JPG&hash=ada150a17aae8c0e5445834a5aa12edbd970f2ca)

All the images are on my I-73 Segment 4 page:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 05, 2017, 01:23:27 AM
Quote from: jcarte29 on July 03, 2017, 10:17:25 PM
The taxiway bridge looks impressive!


It is even impressive driving through it. :)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: compdude787 on July 05, 2017, 02:41:48 AM
What's the point of having a taxiway bridge in that location? It doesn't quite make sense to me for them to put it there.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on July 05, 2017, 03:32:38 AM
Quote from: Strider on July 05, 2017, 01:23:27 AM
Quote from: jcarte29 on July 03, 2017, 10:17:25 PM
The taxiway bridge looks impressive!


It is even impressive driving through it. :)
Quote from: compdude787 on July 05, 2017, 02:41:48 AM
What's the point of having a taxiway bridge in that location? It doesn't quite make sense to me for them to put it there.

Looking at GE depictions of the area (which incidentally precede all but the earliest I-73 construction phases) it appears that the taxiway that crosses over the freeway alignment is an extension of the NW-SE taxiway that already passes over the access road from I-73/former Bryan Blvd. to the main terminal.  Since the main public terminal is sited in the middle of the airport between its main runways, it looks as if the purpose of the taxiway is for non-passenger airport expansion; it likely accesses a new or proposed freight or private terminal north of the main airport facility -- perhaps a hub for some sort of package delivery or freight forwarding service.

From all appearances, I'd venture a guess that the PTI airport owners/operators have very ambitious plans for the facility's future -- there already seem to be numerous outlying terminals away from the central passenger unit, so it's probable that airport management sees expansion of cargo service to be the driving force in at least the short term. 

Nevertheless -- it would be neat to see a picture of the I-73 taxiway underpass featuring a plane passing over the bridge -- preferably something at least as large as a 737!  :spin:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 05, 2017, 06:54:51 AM
Quote from: compdude787 on July 05, 2017, 02:41:48 AM
What's the point of having a taxiway bridge in that location? It doesn't quite make sense to me for them to put it there.

Here ya go.

http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2017/01/06/176-5-million-taxiway-bridge-readies-pti-for.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2017/01/06/176-5-million-taxiway-bridge-readies-pti-for.html)

QuoteWhen a $176.5 million taxiway-bridge project opens at Piedmont Triad International Airport in summer 2017, the newly completed infrastructure will send a clear message to aviation companies looking to expand operations: We have room for you.

Up until now, PTI has been limited in what it could offer new aviation tenants, thanks to little land left to accommodate them due to space already absorbed by firms such as Honda Aircraft Co. and HAECO, which is expanding with a $60 million hangar at PTI in 2017.

But the new taxiway will provide access to more than 600 acres of PTI-owned land across Bryan Boulevard and link it to the airport's existing airfield and runways. The project opens up developable acreage to entice companies like Boeing or Airbus to locate production facilities at PTI that could employ thousands.

"We have room all the way around the airport that has the ability to be developed for these kinds of users,"  said Kevin Baker, executive director of PTI. "It will be a very unique opportunity and unique asset in the community, unique to the whole country to some extent. There are only right now probably 12 airports across the country that have all of the same assets that we do."

Chris Lloyd, senior vice president and director of infrastructure and economic development with McGuireWoods Consulting in Richmond, Va., echoed Baker, saying that the taxiway-bridge will certainly make PTI more competitive when attracting potential prospects.

"You're not in the game unless you have infrastructure to show off,"  Lloyd said. "You can't be attractive to prospects if it's just a concept or line on a piece of paper. If you have something that is real, that opens up a larger universe of prospects. Bottom line, that's what it comes down to."

Lloyd said the taxiway-bridge adds to assets that PTI and the region can boast, including great highways and nearby rail access.

"Something is going to happen,"  he said of a large company committing to PTI for a plant operation.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on July 05, 2017, 03:50:02 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 05, 2017, 06:54:51 AM
Quote from: compdude787 on July 05, 2017, 02:41:48 AM
What's the point of having a taxiway bridge in that location? It doesn't quite make sense to me for them to put it there.

Here ya go.

http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2017/01/06/176-5-million-taxiway-bridge-readies-pti-for.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2017/01/06/176-5-million-taxiway-bridge-readies-pti-for.html)

QuoteWhen a $176.5 million taxiway-bridge project opens at Piedmont Triad International Airport in summer 2017, the newly completed infrastructure will send a clear message to aviation companies looking to expand operations: We have room for you.

Up until now, PTI has been limited in what it could offer new aviation tenants, thanks to little land left to accommodate them due to space already absorbed by firms such as Honda Aircraft Co. and HAECO, which is expanding with a $60 million hangar at PTI in 2017.

But the new taxiway will provide access to more than 600 acres of PTI-owned land across Bryan Boulevard and link it to the airport's existing airfield and runways. The project opens up developable acreage to entice companies like Boeing or Airbus to locate production facilities at PTI that could employ thousands.

"We have room all the way around the airport that has the ability to be developed for these kinds of users,"  said Kevin Baker, executive director of PTI. "It will be a very unique opportunity and unique asset in the community, unique to the whole country to some extent. There are only right now probably 12 airports across the country that have all of the same assets that we do."

Chris Lloyd, senior vice president and director of infrastructure and economic development with McGuireWoods Consulting in Richmond, Va., echoed Baker, saying that the taxiway-bridge will certainly make PTI more competitive when attracting potential prospects.

"You're not in the game unless you have infrastructure to show off,"  Lloyd said. "You can't be attractive to prospects if it's just a concept or line on a piece of paper. If you have something that is real, that opens up a larger universe of prospects. Bottom line, that's what it comes down to."

Lloyd said the taxiway-bridge adds to assets that PTI and the region can boast, including great highways and nearby rail access.

"Something is going to happen,"  he said of a large company committing to PTI for a plant operation.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if PTI is positioning itself to be a service center for major airlines -- even those who don't directly service the area.  Their main runways are 10K and 9K (feet) respectively (longer than LAX's average!), so pretty much any commercial aircraft can safely land there.  They're already a regional FedEx hub (probably that outlying terminal structure at the east end of the property that's surrounded by planes on GSV); getting another parcel carrier -- or even a major consumer distribution center such as a regional Dayton-Hudson or possibly WalMart warehouse, would certainly yield fiscal benefits to both the airport governing body and the region.  It's no wonder they're expanding into the hills behind the airport itself (hence the I-73 taxiway overcrossing); once the planes are on the ground, a slight slope won't be of concern.

As far as actual aircraft production is concerned, it may be difficult to entice one of the "majors" (i.e. Boeing and Airbus) to relocate there if they've already committed resources elsewhere; but perhaps a smaller concerns such as Embraer, Northrop/Grumman, Beech, or Cessna might consider opening assembly facilities there; it's certainly positioned well geographically to serve most of the East Coast.     
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CYoder on July 06, 2017, 09:41:01 AM
So what happened to the people on Caindale Drive (http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/36.1225/-79.9502) now that access to North Regional Road is cut off by I-73?  (Old configuration on Google Maps for comparison.) (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1241,-79.9492404,16z)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on July 06, 2017, 10:45:50 AM
Quote from: CYoder on July 06, 2017, 09:41:01 AM
So what happened to the people on Caindale Drive (http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/36.1225/-79.9502) now that access to North Regional Road is cut off by I-73?  (Old configuration on Google Maps for comparison.) (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1241,-79.9492404,16z)

The airport bought the golf course nearby and I also found where they bought out homes on the east side of the airport.

My guess is the airport bought the landowners out from the now-inaccessible area...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 06, 2017, 11:31:19 AM
Quote from: CYoder on July 06, 2017, 09:41:01 AM
So what happened to the people on Caindale Drive (http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/36.1225/-79.9502) now that access to North Regional Road is cut off by I-73?  (Old configuration on Google Maps for comparison.) (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1241,-79.9492404,16z)


That area (and the houses) was bought by NCDOT and PIAA, so that area is now owned by PIAA.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Fermion on July 09, 2017, 01:32:38 AM
I feel like I'm in some tiny niche of the population because I just moved from GSO to the Roanoke area. My wife's family lives just off I-73/US-220 in southern Guilford County, and with the new road openings we can get from her folks to VA with only a single stoplight. It's a vast improvement over the two-lane NC68 route.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on August 03, 2017, 11:30:24 AM
NCDOT has awarded a contract to resurface I-73 in Greensboro between I-40 and Bryan Boulevard.

https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14183 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14183)

QuoteGREENSBORO — The N.C. Department of Transportation has awarded a $5.4 million contract to mill and resurface a 3.9-mile section of Interstate 73 from I-40 to Joseph Bryan Boulevard.

Work can begin as early as Aug. 28, and completion is anticipated for September 2018.

The contract also includes, pipe work and pavement marking installations.

Triangle Grading and Paving Inc. of Burlington is the contractor for this project.

This was one of 16 highway and bridge project contracts recently awarded by the Department of Transportation. They were worth about $204.5 million, which was more than $13 million under DOT estimates.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on August 03, 2017, 11:36:24 AM
Quote from: LM117 on August 03, 2017, 11:30:24 AM
NCDOT has awarded a contract to resurface I-73 in Greensboro between I-40 and Bryan Boulevard.

https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14183 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14183)
QuoteGREENSBORO — The N.C. Department of Transportation has awarded a $5.4 million contract to mill and resurface a 3.9-mile section of Interstate 73 from I-40 to Joseph Bryan Boulevard.

Work can begin as early as Aug. 28, and completion is anticipated for September 2018.

The contract also includes, pipe work and pavement marking installations.

Triangle Grading and Paving Inc. of Burlington is the contractor for this project.

This was one of 16 highway and bridge project contracts recently awarded by the Department of Transportation. They were worth about $204.5 million, which was more than $13 million under DOT estimates.

Hopefully, it will actually be signed as I-73 (and I-840) on approaching roadways before the project is completed.

Fixed quote. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4000.0) - rmf67
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on August 03, 2017, 12:22:41 PM
Is the concrete really that bad there already? Or am I thinking of the wrong section?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on August 03, 2017, 01:59:35 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on August 03, 2017, 12:22:41 PM
Is the concrete really that bad there already? Or am I thinking of the wrong section?


The concrete on I-73 is just fine. Not sure why they feel obligated to do that kind of repairs. They should have been replacing these signs along I-73 already.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on August 23, 2017, 12:55:01 PM
NCDOT has published sign plans as part of advertising for bids for constructing the next segment of the I-74/Winston-Salem Northern Beltway this fall. The sign plans indicate that the US 311 exit number at the end of the next segment will be 49:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi74seg4signplanexits4950.jpg&hash=2657821b6e2f6a8b7470ce8e4ddfea3ff14f9c18)

And, as part of the rebranding of the Business 40 route as the US 421 Salem Parkway, there will be no Business 40 shields on the signing for that exit (this sign plan is for when the segments of the Beltway are completed from Bus. 40 to US 311):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi74seg4signplanexits53ab.jpg&hash=6512eec3b0ef664ba55a441de4ef5542e07de7b5)

The remaining segments of the eastern section of the Beltway west to US 52 will be bid out as a design-build contract in Feb. 2018.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on August 23, 2017, 02:36:58 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on August 23, 2017, 12:55:01 PM
NCDOT has published sign plans as part of advertising for bids for constructing the next segment of the I-74/Winston-Salem Northern Beltway this fall. The sign plans indicate that the US 311 exit number at the end of the next segment will be 49:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi74seg4signplanexits4950.jpg&hash=2657821b6e2f6a8b7470ce8e4ddfea3ff14f9c18)

And, as part of the rebranding of the Business 40 route as the US 421 Salem Parkway, there will be no Business 40 shields on the signing for that exit (this sign plan is for when the segments of the Beltway are completed from Bus. 40 to US 311):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi74seg4signplanexits53ab.jpg&hash=6512eec3b0ef664ba55a441de4ef5542e07de7b5)

The remaining segments of the eastern section of the Beltway west to US 52 will be bid out as a design-build contract in Feb. 2018.


Why isn't NC 150 included on the US 421 signage? Last time I know, NC 150 is running concurrently with US 421.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on August 23, 2017, 11:15:57 PM
Quote from: Strider on August 23, 2017, 02:36:58 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on August 23, 2017, 12:55:01 PM
NCDOT has published sign plans as part of advertising for bids for constructing the next segment of the I-74/Winston-Salem Northern Beltway this fall. The sign plans indicate that the US 311 exit number at the end of the next segment will be 49:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi74seg4signplanexits4950.jpg&hash=2657821b6e2f6a8b7470ce8e4ddfea3ff14f9c18)

And, as part of the rebranding of the Business 40 route as the US 421 Salem Parkway, there will be no Business 40 shields on the signing for that exit (this sign plan is for when the segments of the Beltway are completed from Bus. 40 to US 311):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi74seg4signplanexits53ab.jpg&hash=6512eec3b0ef664ba55a441de4ef5542e07de7b5)

The remaining segments of the eastern section of the Beltway west to US 52 will be bid out as a design-build contract in Feb. 2018.
Why isn't NC 150 included on the US 421 signage? Last time I know, NC 150 is running concurrently with US 421.
It apparently will appear on supplemental signs only. Unlike, Bus. 40, I have not heard any plans to remove NC 150 from its current routing.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on August 24, 2017, 10:33:37 AM
Bordering a bit on the Fictional side, but this kind of reminds me of how Business 80 in Sacramento may one day be decommissioned. In a perfect world, it would be just US 50 on the west end, and CA 51 would be signed on the east end. Also, the Greensboro extension of Business 85 should be just US 29/US 70, and the Spartanburg version should be US 29, or a US 29 Bypass.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on August 24, 2017, 11:57:27 AM
Quote from: Henry on August 24, 2017, 10:33:37 AM
Bordering a bit on the Fictional side, but this kind of reminds me of how Business 80 in Sacramento may one day be decommissioned. In a perfect world, it would be just US 50 on the west end, and CA 51 would be signed on the east end. Also, the Greensboro extension of Business 85 should be just US 29/US 70, and the Spartanburg version should be US 29, or a US 29 Bypass.


I have not heard about NCDOT's plan to remove Business 85 and make it US 29/70 through Greensboro, but I won't be surprised if NCDOT decides to do so in the near future. They are already planning on decommissioning Business 40 and keep it US 421 (US 158 and NC 150 in some locations). They may be trying to eliminate business routes afterall.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on September 14, 2017, 12:57:59 PM
NCDOT and SCDOT have begun their study of the extension of the Carolina Bays Parkway.

http://www.starnewsonline.com/news/20170913/carolina-bays-parkway-extension-study-begins (http://www.starnewsonline.com/news/20170913/carolina-bays-parkway-extension-study-begins)

QuoteA more than 10-year long conversation about a new highway connecting the Carolina Bays Parkway in South Carolina to U.S. 17 in the southern portion of Brunswick County is springing up again.

Both the N.C. and S.C. Departments of Transportation have begun studying the proposed Carolina Bays Parkway Extension, which would link the existing parkway (S.C. 31) from S.C. 9 in Horry County, South Carolina, to U.S. 17 in Brunswick County. The parkway skirts outside the Myrtle Beach area.

The preliminary study area encompasses a large swath of land mostly in Brunswick County along U.S. 17. Carolina Shores, Calabash and a portion of Shallotte fall within the study area.

The primary benefit of the project would be improved traffic movement, said Mike Hargett, the county's director of economic development and planning. Right now, to get into South Carolina Hargett said drivers take a cumbersome route down U.S. 17, maneuver through the Little River area and then get on S.C. 31.

Hickman Road is another route, but Hargett said it's "not necessarily a desirable alternative in the sense of traffic movement"  since it's a two-lane road with multiple driveway connections.

"The idea would be because of the volume of traffic that is making that connection, this would improve the traffic flow,"  Hargett said of the extension.

Hargett said the current study will identify possible routes and eventually select a preferred route.

In a local input form sent to the DOT, the county noted that developed areas around U.S. 17 and Hickman Road in Brunswick County should not be considered as a potential route for the project, due to substantial impacts it would have on existing communities.

The town of Carolina Shores passed a resolution in February asking the DOT to remove the community from the preliminary study area. Mayor Joyce Dunn said the town believes the DOT should consider establishing the route further west where there is less development.

"We don't say don't do it,"  Dunn said. "We're saying don't do it in a manner that's destructive to homes and local businesses."

The overall cost for the project is $551.7 million, with North Carolina's portion being $366.7 million. While North Carolina has yet to come up with funds for the project, Horry County in South Carolina has $125 million from a local option sales tax earmarked for the South Carolina portion of the project.

Hargett said alternative routes for the project should be proposed sometime in 2019.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on September 14, 2017, 04:21:33 PM
When the parkway extension is completed in the future, if the North Carolina segment is not initially signed as Interstate 74, is it possible it might be signposted as North Carolina 31? I checked Wikipedia, and the designation is available.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on September 15, 2017, 04:44:39 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 14, 2017, 04:21:33 PM
When the parkway extension is completed in the future, if the North Carolina segment is not initially signed as Interstate 74, is it possible it might be signposted as North Carolina 31? I checked Wikipedia, and the designation is available.
Probably. Don't hold your breath, though; this project (R-3436) is not in the 2018 STIP, which means at this point no funds are projected for construction through 2027. (Obviously this could change in the future.)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 15, 2017, 11:58:48 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on September 15, 2017, 04:44:39 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 14, 2017, 04:21:33 PM
When the parkway extension is completed in the future, if the North Carolina segment is not initially signed as Interstate 74, is it possible it might be signposted as North Carolina 31? I checked Wikipedia, and the designation is available.
Probably. Don't hold your breath, though; this project (R-3436) is not in the 2018 STIP, which means at this point no funds are projected for construction through 2027. (Obviously this could change in the future.)
The only way the Extension (or the rest of the Parkway, for that matter) would be signed as I-74 would be if it connected to another interstate (and NC doesn't change the terminus to Wilmington in the meantime). So unless I-73 between I-95 and Myrtle Beach gets built before the Extension is complete, the appearance of any interstate signage will be far into the future.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on September 19, 2017, 07:54:06 AM
Sign installation.

https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14350 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14350)

QuoteN.C. Department of Transportation contract crews will close the right lane of I-73 North near Wendover Avenue for one day while crews perform sign installation work in Greensboro.

The lane will be closed from 9 a.m. until 3:30 p.m. on Wednesday, Sept. 20.

While this section of highway will not be completely closed, contract crews will be working very close to traffic. Transportation officials encourage drivers to use caution in the work zone.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: roadman65 on September 27, 2017, 07:59:53 AM
I-73 has its first child already. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_Route_173#/media/File:New_Jersey_State_Route_173_typo_shield.jpg :-D
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: plain on September 27, 2017, 08:56:42 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 27, 2017, 07:59:53 AM
I-73 has its first child already. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_Route_173#/media/File:New_Jersey_State_Route_173_typo_shield.jpg :-D

Damn... that's even worse than when Maryland posted MD 85 as I-85 on I-70 lmao
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on September 28, 2017, 12:50:17 AM
I guess turnabout's fair play -- if NC can have I-87 and 5xx child, NJ can have a 3di of I-73 -- even if it's a surface street!  (Just a variation of my usual rant about the number "87" in NC!).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on September 28, 2017, 01:34:44 PM
Quote from: plain on September 27, 2017, 08:56:42 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 27, 2017, 07:59:53 AM
I-73 has its first child already. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_Route_173#/media/File:New_Jersey_State_Route_173_typo_shield.jpg :-D

Damn... that's even worse than when Maryland posted MD 85 as I-85 on I-70 lmao


LMAO! Wow! I-173 in NJ.... haha
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on September 28, 2017, 05:36:34 PM
There was once an Interstate 152 in California: http://www.kurumi.com/roads/3di/ix52.html

I think a better place for an Interstate 173 would be along the portion of the US 220 freeway in Greensboro that was not designated as Interstate 73 (Interstate 85/US 421 to Coliseum Blvd.)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on September 29, 2017, 12:17:31 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 28, 2017, 05:36:34 PM
There was once an Interstate 152 in California: http://www.kurumi.com/roads/3di/ix52.html

I think a better place for an Interstate 173 would be along the portion of the US 220 freeway in Greensboro that was not designated as Interstate 73 (Interstate 85/US 421 to Coliseum Blvd.)

Or the Bryan Blvd section from I-73/I-840 east to Benjamin Parkway. That is excellent spur route for I-73
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on September 29, 2017, 03:45:20 PM
Quote from: Strider on September 29, 2017, 12:17:31 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 28, 2017, 05:36:34 PM
There was once an Interstate 152 in California: http://www.kurumi.com/roads/3di/ix52.html

I think a better place for an Interstate 173 would be along the portion of the US 220 freeway in Greensboro that was not designated as Interstate 73 (Interstate 85/US 421 to Coliseum Blvd.)

Or the Bryan Blvd section from I-73/I-840 east to Benjamin Parkway. That is excellent spur route for I-73

In that part of NC there are any number of qualified candidates (lots of older freeway segments & stubs); the only question is whether the expense of redesignation + resignage would be worth it for a freeway that's already recognized by its present number.  That being said, this is NC, so maybe someone in NJ can send the errant "I-173" shield down to NC in case some local politico gets a bug up their ass and wants a new spur Interstate in their district.  Save 'em a few bucks!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 02, 2017, 11:20:24 PM
Have posted what likely will be the last set of construction photos for I-73 between the current northern end in Summerfield and NC 68 contributed by Strider. As seen in the photo below, the road appears almost complete (except for some shoulder work, proper lane markings and exit signs), approaching the NC 68 on-ramp to US 220 North:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg2str917c.JPG&hash=5c65d06df878a101195cb05089dcb3c0426e3b11)

Full set at:http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on October 03, 2017, 02:36:53 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on October 02, 2017, 11:20:24 PM
Have posted what likely will be the last set of construction photos for I-73 between the current northern end in Summerfield and NC 68 contributed by Strider. As seen in the photo below, the road appears almost complete (except for some shoulder work, proper lane markings and exit signs), approaching the NC 68 on-ramp to US 220 North:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg2str917c.JPG&hash=5c65d06df878a101195cb05089dcb3c0426e3b11)

Full set at:http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos)

Do you know when they expect to sign this as I-73?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 04, 2017, 11:33:38 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on October 03, 2017, 02:36:53 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on October 02, 2017, 11:20:24 PM
Have posted what likely will be the last set of construction photos for I-73 between the current northern end in Summerfield and NC 68 contributed by Strider. As seen in the photo below, the road appears almost complete (except for some shoulder work, proper lane markings and exit signs), approaching the NC 68 on-ramp to US 220 North:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg2str917c.JPG&hash=5c65d06df878a101195cb05089dcb3c0426e3b11)

Full set at:http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos)

Do you know when they expect to sign this as I-73?


After the road is finished, which should be within 2 weeks. This picture will be the temporary northern end of I-73.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: mvak36 on October 04, 2017, 12:34:29 PM
So after this section is open, it looks like the only parts of I-73/I-74 that are going to be worked on are the first phase of the Rockingham Bypass and the W-S Beltway, unless I'm mistaken. It'll be interesting to see if they start any new projects on either of the corridors anytime soon. Maybe some of these projects will score higher on the next round of STIP selections.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 04, 2017, 03:02:23 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on October 04, 2017, 12:34:29 PM
So after this section is open, it looks like the only parts of I-73/I-74 that are going to be worked on are the first phase of the Rockingham Bypass and the W-S Beltway, unless I'm mistaken. It'll be interesting to see if they start any new projects on either of the corridors anytime soon. Maybe some of these projects will score higher on the next round of STIP selections.

Yeah, you are correct. The Rockingham Bypass and W-S Beltway are (will) be the parts that are going to be worked on. After these parts are complete, I think some projects will get moved up.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on October 04, 2017, 05:50:27 PM
Quote from: Strider on October 04, 2017, 03:02:23 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on October 04, 2017, 12:34:29 PM
So after this section is open, it looks like the only parts of I-73/I-74 that are going to be worked on are the first phase of the Rockingham Bypass and the W-S Beltway, unless I'm mistaken. It'll be interesting to see if they start any new projects on either of the corridors anytime soon. Maybe some of these projects will score higher on the next round of STIP selections.

Yeah, you are correct. The Rockingham Bypass and W-S Beltway are (will) be the parts that are going to be worked on. After these parts are complete, I think some projects will get moved up.

Besides those two projects, my guess would be that the remainder of I-74 not up to Interstate standards between Rockingham and I-95 would be the next to be prioritized, followed by work on the eastern portion of I-74 out to at least Bolton; anything east from there into the Wilmington area would, according to current corridor language, be outside the legislated I-74 definition -- and would require legislative changes or additions to be considered part of that "package" -- unless they go ahead and call the Bolton-to-Wilmington segment something else, like a 3di "child" of I-74.   

Heading the other way on I-74, it's likely that any upgrade of the US 52 section north of W-S up to Mt. Airy will be put off until later, since it's a perfectly serviceable freeway as it stands.  And the remainder of I-73 approaching the state lines, will also likely be one of the final segments to be dealt with -- although the north side along US 220 is more likely to see gradual upgrades simply due to the fact that much of it can be done along the present alignment, whereas the south end paralleling NC 38 not only a new-terrain facility but also pretty much dependent upon corresponding activity across the state line in SC -- which likely won't occur until construction of the I-95-to-Myrtle Beach segment of I-73 is at least underway.   
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on October 04, 2017, 08:29:01 PM
Did NCDOT ever release plans similar to these (https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/futureI73/download/I5110_R2413_Rdy_Roll_NC68_comp.pdf), but for this section along the upgraded US 220? There doesn't seem to be a page for this section of the project, and no mention of it on the I-73 project page (https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/futureI73/) despite being done concurrently with the other two pieces.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 05, 2017, 10:47:49 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 04, 2017, 08:29:01 PM
Did NCDOT ever release plans similar to these (https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/futureI73/download/I5110_R2413_Rdy_Roll_NC68_comp.pdf), but for this section along the upgraded US 220? There doesn't seem to be a page for this section of the project, and no mention of it on the I-73 project page (https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/futureI73/) despite being done concurrently with the other two pieces.


No, not on their website, but I requested a copy of the entire corridor from NC 68 in Guilford County to NC 68 in Rockingham County, and got it from them personally. I think there are some of them posted on http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/index.html

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on October 05, 2017, 02:49:26 PM
Sign work still ongoing.

https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14441 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14441)

QuoteN.C. Department of Transportation contract crews will close the right lane of a portion of I-73 North at Bridford Parkway for one day while crews perform sign installation work in Greensboro.

The lane will be closed from 9 a.m. until 3 p.m. on Tuesday, Oct. 10.

While this section of highway will not be completely closed, contract crews will be working very close to traffic. Transportation officials encourage drivers to slow down and use caution in the work zone.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 05, 2017, 05:32:56 PM
On a related news to upgrading US 220 to I-73 just past NC 68 towards the Virginia line, I was told by one of the NCDOT staff that that section is now on a very early planning stage and the decisions on location and/or upgrades have not been determined yet.

From what it sounded like, they are going to proceed with plans for upgrading US 220 and extending I-73 north to Virginia line instead of waiting on Virginia to do their part. The only question is... when.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on October 05, 2017, 06:36:04 PM
Quote from: Strider on October 05, 2017, 05:32:56 PM
On a related news to upgrading US 220 to I-73 just past NC 68 towards the Virginia line, I was told by one of the NCDOT staff that that section is now on a very early planning stage and the decisions on location and/or upgrades have not been determined yet.

From what it sounded like, they are going to proceed with plans for upgrading US 220 and extending I-73 north to Virginia line instead of waiting on Virginia to do their part. The only question is... when.

If that's the case, then it seems that NCDOT thinks it can goad Virginia into building their part. If that's what they're hoping for, then NCDOT is in for a rude awakening...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: mvak36 on October 05, 2017, 08:56:27 PM
Quote from: LM117 on October 05, 2017, 06:36:04 PM
Quote from: Strider on October 05, 2017, 05:32:56 PM
On a related news to upgrading US 220 to I-73 just past NC 68 towards the Virginia line, I was told by one of the NCDOT staff that that section is now on a very early planning stage and the decisions on location and/or upgrades have not been determined yet.

From what it sounded like, they are going to proceed with plans for upgrading US 220 and extending I-73 north to Virginia line instead of waiting on Virginia to do their part. The only question is... when.

If that's the case, then it seems that NCDOT thinks it can goad Virginia into building their part. If that's what they're hoping for, then NCDOT is in for a rude awakening...
I don't know if that's the case, but I think it makes sense if they do build it regardless of if Virginia ever builds it since 220 is already existing instead of something like the BVB in northwest Arkansas. In their case, it's all new terrain so it makes no sense for either state to build a road to nowhere. At least in North Carolina's case they can build a freeway all the way to the border and reduce the speed limit at the end before drivers enter Virginia.


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Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 05, 2017, 11:44:01 PM
Quote from: LM117 on October 05, 2017, 06:36:04 PM
Quote from: Strider on October 05, 2017, 05:32:56 PM
On a related news to upgrading US 220 to I-73 just past NC 68 towards the Virginia line, I was told by one of the NCDOT staff that that section is now on a very early planning stage and the decisions on location and/or upgrades have not been determined yet.

From what it sounded like, they are going to proceed with plans for upgrading US 220 and extending I-73 north to Virginia line instead of waiting on Virginia to do their part. The only question is... when.

If that's the case, then it seems that NCDOT thinks it can goad Virginia into building their part. If that's what they're hoping for, then NCDOT is in for a rude awakening...


Perhaps, but just in case you didn't know, the Virginia General Assembly approved Sen. Bill Stanley's I-73 bill back in February, in which funds will transfer to I-73 once ALL US 58 upgrades are completed, BUT the I-73 bill MUST be reintroduced to GA sometime in 2018. IF it gets approved again, it is a done deal.

http://www.martinsvillebulletin.com/news/i--bill-approved-by-general-assembly/article_c80bfb1e-fbce-11e6-9d3c-7727f3ef1261.html
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on October 06, 2017, 06:16:03 AM
Quote from: Strider on October 05, 2017, 11:44:01 PM
Quote from: LM117 on October 05, 2017, 06:36:04 PM
Quote from: Strider on October 05, 2017, 05:32:56 PM
On a related news to upgrading US 220 to I-73 just past NC 68 towards the Virginia line, I was told by one of the NCDOT staff that that section is now on a very early planning stage and the decisions on location and/or upgrades have not been determined yet.

From what it sounded like, they are going to proceed with plans for upgrading US 220 and extending I-73 north to Virginia line instead of waiting on Virginia to do their part. The only question is... when.

If that's the case, then it seems that NCDOT thinks it can goad Virginia into building their part. If that's what they're hoping for, then NCDOT is in for a rude awakening...


Perhaps, but just in case you didn't know, the Virginia General Assembly approved Sen. Bill Stanley's I-73 bill back in February, in which funds will transfer to I-73 once ALL US 58 upgrades are completed, BUT the I-73 bill MUST be reintroduced to GA sometime in 2018. IF it gets approved again, it is a done deal.

http://www.martinsvillebulletin.com/news/i--bill-approved-by-general-assembly/article_c80bfb1e-fbce-11e6-9d3c-7727f3ef1261.html

I'm aware of it. That bill was nothing more than the General Assembly's way of telling Stanley and SW VA "there, we did something so shut up". The fact that the bill has to be approved again one year later shows how little the state is interested in I-73.

The fact of the matter is that SW VA doesn't have the muscle that the urban areas have and Bill Stanley is the only guy in the General Assembly pushing heavily for I-73. I'd like to see I-73 finished, but I'm also realistic about it's chances.

South Carolina will have I-73 completed before VA turns a grain of dirt. Bank on it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on October 06, 2017, 07:43:41 AM
Quote from: LM117 on October 05, 2017, 06:36:04 PM
Quote from: Strider on October 05, 2017, 05:32:56 PM
On a related news to upgrading US 220 to I-73 just past NC 68 towards the Virginia line, I was told by one of the NCDOT staff that that section is now on a very early planning stage and the decisions on location and/or upgrades have not been determined yet.

From what it sounded like, they are going to proceed with plans for upgrading US 220 and extending I-73 north to Virginia line instead of waiting on Virginia to do their part. The only question is... when.

If that's the case, then it seems that NCDOT thinks it can goad Virginia into building their part. If that's what they're hoping for, then NCDOT is in for a rude awakening...

It will not be the first interstate to end at the state line, see I-74 and I-99.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 06, 2017, 09:30:52 AM
Quote from: LM117 on October 06, 2017, 06:16:03 AM
Quote from: Strider on October 05, 2017, 11:44:01 PM
Quote from: LM117 on October 05, 2017, 06:36:04 PM
Quote from: Strider on October 05, 2017, 05:32:56 PM
On a related news to upgrading US 220 to I-73 just past NC 68 towards the Virginia line, I was told by one of the NCDOT staff that that section is now on a very early planning stage and the decisions on location and/or upgrades have not been determined yet.

From what it sounded like, they are going to proceed with plans for upgrading US 220 and extending I-73 north to Virginia line instead of waiting on Virginia to do their part. The only question is... when.

If that's the case, then it seems that NCDOT thinks it can goad Virginia into building their part. If that's what they're hoping for, then NCDOT is in for a rude awakening...


Perhaps, but just in case you didn't know, the Virginia General Assembly approved Sen. Bill Stanley's I-73 bill back in February, in which funds will transfer to I-73 once ALL US 58 upgrades are completed, BUT the I-73 bill MUST be reintroduced to GA sometime in 2018. IF it gets approved again, it is a done deal.

http://www.martinsvillebulletin.com/news/i--bill-approved-by-general-assembly/article_c80bfb1e-fbce-11e6-9d3c-7727f3ef1261.html

I'm aware of it. That bill was nothing more than the General Assembly's way of telling Stanley and SW VA "there, we did something so shut up". The fact that the bill has to be approved again one year later shows how little the state is interested in I-73.

The fact of the matter is that SW VA doesn't have the muscle that the urban areas have and Bill Stanley is the only guy in the General Assembly pushing heavily for I-73. I'd like to see I-73 finished, but I'm also realistic about it's chances.

South Carolina will have I-73 completed before VA turns a grain of dirt. Bank on it.


I am very sure they will get I-73 completed eventually. The GA doesn't want to hear any more complaints from the Southwest, trust me. it will get done, but the question is.... when and if it will get completed in our lifetime or not.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on October 06, 2017, 10:02:23 AM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on October 06, 2017, 07:43:41 AM
Quote from: LM117 on October 05, 2017, 06:36:04 PM
Quote from: Strider on October 05, 2017, 05:32:56 PM
On a related news to upgrading US 220 to I-73 just past NC 68 towards the Virginia line, I was told by one of the NCDOT staff that that section is now on a very early planning stage and the decisions on location and/or upgrades have not been determined yet.

From what it sounded like, they are going to proceed with plans for upgrading US 220 and extending I-73 north to Virginia line instead of waiting on Virginia to do their part. The only question is... when.

If that's the case, then it seems that NCDOT thinks it can goad Virginia into building their part. If that's what they're hoping for, then NCDOT is in for a rude awakening...

It will not be the first interstate to end at the state line, see I-74 and I-99.

True, but at least I-99 has a decent shot at crossing the state line and as for I-74, all Virginia has to do is toss I-74 shields onto I-77 when or if WV and OH suddenly have a big change of heart and builds their sections. I-73 is a different animal.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on October 06, 2017, 10:05:15 AM
Quote from: Strider on October 06, 2017, 09:30:52 AM
I am very sure they will get I-73 completed eventually. The GA doesn't want to hear any more complaints from the Southwest, trust me. it will get done, but the question is.... when and if it will get completed in our lifetime or not.

We'll likely be worm poo when Martinsville holds their ribbon cutting ceremony while Future I-73 shields remain on I-581 and the General Assembly debates on the 90th one year I-73 funding bill while NoVA complains about getting shortchanged on transportation funding.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 17, 2017, 06:20:57 PM
Have posted several new photos of I-74 construction in Winston-Salem sent to me by site contributor, J. Austin Carter on my I-74 Segment 4 page: http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 23, 2017, 10:17:30 PM
Although the official opening of I-73 along US 220 North of Greensboro has been delayed until November, the route is almost complete as can be seen in photos contributed by Strider, including this one travelling over the Haw River bridge on US 220 North:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg2str1017a.jpg&hash=c5fdd6d4bc31846ca8140e3d0522b918910e9d36)

All the photos are on my I-73 Segment 2 page:http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos)

Also I have posted photos by Strider of new I-73 signage approaching and one the southern segment of the Greensboro Loop on my I-73 Segment 6 page: http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg6.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg6.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 30, 2017, 11:20:58 PM
Wilmington officials want US 74/76 upgraded to Interstate Standards from Whiteville to Wilmington for I-74 and want the interstate route pushed further east along I-140 to end at US 17 in Scotts Hill:
http://www.starnewsonline.com/news/20171030/officials-want-to-see-i-140-get-second-interstate-shield (http://www.starnewsonline.com/news/20171030/officials-want-to-see-i-140-get-second-interstate-shield)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on October 31, 2017, 01:41:42 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on October 30, 2017, 11:20:58 PM
Wilmington officials want US 74/76 upgraded to Interstate Standards from Whiteville to Wilmington for I-74 and want the interstate route pushed further east along I-140 to end at US 17 in Scotts Hill:
http://www.starnewsonline.com/news/20171030/officials-want-to-see-i-140-get-second-interstate-shield (http://www.starnewsonline.com/news/20171030/officials-want-to-see-i-140-get-second-interstate-shield)

Well, if the local folks can manage to pry I-74 loose from the "Swamp Thing" alignment down NC 211, more power to them!  Co-signage with I-140 is pointless; replacing the portion of I-140 from present US 74 around the north side of Wilmington all the way to US 17 would be more reasonable; the portion of I-140 south of US 74 could become a 3di "child" of I-74 (I-174, anyone?).  That would provide a direct I-74 connection with I-40; doing that may make navigation of the local network a bit more straightforward.   Overall, if this concept flies, a step in the right direction!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on October 31, 2017, 09:32:41 AM
Quote from: sparker on October 31, 2017, 01:41:42 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on October 30, 2017, 11:20:58 PM
Wilmington officials want US 74/76 upgraded to Interstate Standards from Whiteville to Wilmington for I-74 and want the interstate route pushed further east along I-140 to end at US 17 in Scotts Hill:
http://www.starnewsonline.com/news/20171030/officials-want-to-see-i-140-get-second-interstate-shield (http://www.starnewsonline.com/news/20171030/officials-want-to-see-i-140-get-second-interstate-shield)

Well, if the local folks can manage to pry I-74 loose from the "Swamp Thing" alignment down NC 211, more power to them!  Co-signage with I-140 is pointless; replacing the portion of I-140 from present US 74 around the north side of Wilmington all the way to US 17 would be more reasonable; the portion of I-140 south of US 74 could become a 3di "child" of I-74 (I-174, anyone?).  That would provide a direct I-74 connection with I-40; doing that may make navigation of the local network a bit more straightforward.   Overall, if this concept flies, a step in the right direction!
This would be a nice consolation prize for not getting the I-20 extension they originally sought. And Wilmington makes a lot more sense for an I-74 terminus than Myrtle Beach. Let I-73 end in Myrtle Beach, but bring I-74 to Wilmington.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 31, 2017, 10:32:15 AM
I agree with this. Let I-74 go to Wilmington. Even though we will have I-74 meeting I-40 twice if that happens, but it is much better routing than having it go to Myrtle Beach.. especially with I-73 going down there.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on October 31, 2017, 12:28:38 PM
Quote from: Strider on October 31, 2017, 10:32:15 AM
I agree with this. Let I-74 go to Wilmington. Even though we will have I-74 meeting I-40 twice if that happens, but it is much better routing than having it go to Myrtle Beach.. especially with I-73 going down there.

This idea may be verging on Fictional -- but instead of a 3di 74 "child" extending down the former I-140 path to southward US 17, a 2di (a southern 97?) could (eventually) connect with SC 31 and extend past Myrtle Beach -- giving them the pair of trunk Interstates they've always wanted (and functionally everyone in that neck of the woods "wins"). 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 02, 2017, 11:33:57 AM
NCDOT has awarded the contract to replace the US 74 intersection at Broadridge Rd with an interchange. The NCDOT press release says this is part of the process to bring the road up to Interstate Standards in Robeson County and that they will be modifying the next intersection to the east (at least temporarily) at Creek Rd so that traffic can only turn right:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14557 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14557)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: slorydn1 on November 02, 2017, 08:43:47 PM
Quote from: sparker on July 05, 2017, 03:32:38 AM
Quote from: Strider on July 05, 2017, 01:23:27 AM
Quote from: jcarte29 on July 03, 2017, 10:17:25 PM
The taxiway bridge looks impressive!


It is even impressive driving through it. :)
Quote from: compdude787 on July 05, 2017, 02:41:48 AM
What's the point of having a taxiway bridge in that location? It doesn't quite make sense to me for them to put it there.



Nevertheless -- it would be neat to see a picture of the I-73 taxiway underpass featuring a plane passing over the bridge -- preferably something at least as large as a 737!  :spin:

Thats one of the things I miss about living in the Chicago area-planes taxiing over I-190 at O'hare. Heck I've even seen 747's and DC-10's on that one.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on December 06, 2017, 01:39:29 PM
NCDOT has let a contract for construction of another section of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway.

https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14641 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14641)

QuoteThe N.C. Department of Transportation has awarded a contract for a portion of work along the Eastern Section of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway project.

The $43 million project will include widening, grading, drainage work, signing and new bridges along a 1.9 mile section of the beltway (Future I-74) from U.S. 311 to U.S. 158.

"Once complete this work will help accommodate future growth by alleviating congestion and improving safety along heavily traveled routes in Forsyth County, including U.S. 421/Business 40 and U.S. 52,"  said Division Nine Engineer Pat Ivey.

E.S. Wagner Company LLC. of Piedmont, South Carolina is the contractor for the project.

Work can begin as early as January 2018, with final completion, including landscaping, anticipated for November 2021.

This was one of nine road and bridge projects recently awarded by the department. They were worth about $275.3 million, about $12.7 million under engineer estimates.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 21, 2017, 11:18:54 PM
After a posting on a Facebook group about the disappearance of Future I-74 signs from the US 74 Rockingham Bypass, I investigated and found Google StreetView images from November 2016 along US 74 east of US 1 that confirmed signs had been removed sometime earlier in 2016. Perhaps NCDOT felt these signs were leading to the erroneous marking of the Bypass as I-74 on Google Maps, Rand McNally atlases, and, if so, somewhat ironically, on the 2017-18 NCDOT State Transportation Map.

I have a link to the 2016 StreetView images on my I-73 Segment 12 page:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg12.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg12.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 22, 2017, 06:11:37 PM
Strider forwarded me some new US 220 construction photos and the news that the I-73 South lanes are open from NC 68 southward. Still no I-73 signs along the roadway, but progress in putting up exit signage, such as this overhead at the ramp to US 158 on US 220 North:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg2str1217e.JPG&hash=dff3f66932c1ad0d56de57f6d741f9a9ee601369)

Full set of photos on the I-73 Segment 2 page: http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 22, 2017, 10:35:16 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on December 22, 2017, 06:11:37 PM
Strider forwarded me some new US 220 construction photos and the news that the I-73 South lanes are open from NC 68 southward. Still no I-73 signs along the roadway, but progress in putting up exit signage, such as this overhead at the ramp to US 158 on US 220 North:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg2str1217e.JPG&hash=dff3f66932c1ad0d56de57f6d741f9a9ee601369)

Full set of photos on the I-73 Segment 2 page: http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos)



Does anyone know the progress of I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Tom958 on December 23, 2017, 09:09:06 AM
Why didn't they post the exit numbers?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 23, 2017, 06:25:45 PM
Quote from: Strider on December 22, 2017, 10:35:16 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on December 22, 2017, 06:11:37 PM
Strider forwarded me some new US 220 construction photos and the news that the I-73 South lanes are open from NC 68 southward. Still no I-73 signs along the roadway, but progress in putting up exit signage, such as this overhead at the ramp to US 158 on US 220 North:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg2str1217e.JPG&hash=dff3f66932c1ad0d56de57f6d741f9a9ee601369)

Full set of photos on the I-73 Segment 2 page: http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos)
Does anyone know the progress of I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass?
The under construction part of that project is still on schedule to be completed in March 2018. There has been no change with the listing of the rest of the Bypass as an unfunded (After 2027) project in the State TIP.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 23, 2017, 06:28:34 PM
Quote from: Tom958 on December 23, 2017, 09:09:06 AM
Why didn't they post the exit numbers?
Good question. Apparently the exit number tabs are being stored in one location along US 220. It may be that NCDOT has not heard back from the FHWA on certifying that the rebuilt section of US 220 is Interstate Standard, necessary for it to be signed as I-73. If so, they may be waiting for that to happen before placing I-73 exit number tabs on top of the signs.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 23, 2017, 08:31:51 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on December 23, 2017, 06:28:34 PM
Quote from: Tom958 on December 23, 2017, 09:09:06 AM
Why didn't they post the exit numbers?
Good question. Apparently the exit number tabs are being stored in one location along US 220. It may be that NCDOT has not heard back from the FHWA on certifying that the rebuilt section of US 220 is Interstate Standard, necessary for it to be signed as I-73. If so, they may be waiting for that to happen before placing I-73 exit number tabs on top of the signs.


They already got permission from FHWA. The reason they can't sign it as I-73 yet is because between NC 65 and I-73/US 220 interchange, there are still some work to be done (putting up exit signs, putting I-73 signs, etc). They also have not put rumble strips and extra lane markings on that section (which is the last thing they need to do before slapping I-73 signs next to US 220), as they already put rumble strips between the temp ending at NC 68 and NC 65 interchange. They probably will get it done next week.

On the other news, all 4 lanes of US 220/Future I-73 is now open all the way to NC 68. US 220 just south of I-73 going to Greensboro is also is 4 lanes all the way.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 30, 2017, 12:20:27 PM
I've added photos contributed by Strider to my I-73 Segment 1 and 2 pages showing the completion of the upgraded US 220 roadway between the Haw River and NC 68 still awaiting more exit signs and I-73 shields for the project to be officially finished:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg2str1217h.JPG&hash=99fe00478e620521212388840f8e63fdce4e1423)

Full Segment 2 set can be found at http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 02, 2018, 11:25:09 PM
I've posted, and revised last night due to news that the project first funded in 2016 to upgrade US 74 between the Rockingham and Laurinburg Bypasses that was unfunded in the 2018-2027 STIP has now been funded again in the December revision, my annual I-73/I-74 in NC Year in Review here:
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/12/i-73i-74-year-in-review-2017.html (http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/12/i-73i-74-year-in-review-2017.html)

Information about the restored project to start in 2022 can be found here:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg14.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg14.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on January 03, 2018, 01:47:14 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 02, 2018, 11:25:09 PM
I've posted, and revised last night due to news that the project first funded in 2016 to upgrade US 74 between the Rockingham and Laurinburg Bypasses that was unfunded in the 2018-2027 STIP has now been funded again in the December revision, my annual I-73/I-74 in NC Year in Review here:
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/12/i-73i-74-year-in-review-2017.html (http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/12/i-73i-74-year-in-review-2017.html)

Information about the restored project to start in 2022 can be found here:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg14.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg14.html)


I am kinda surprised they didn't fund the rest of Rockingham bypass (I-73/I-74 first). The bypass should be funded first, IMO. Maybe they will find a way to fund the section of I-73/74 from US 220 to US 74...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Finrod on January 05, 2018, 01:34:18 AM
It looks like this would connect up I-74 from Rockingham to I-95.  Maybe they think that's more important than connecting up around Rockingham.  Besides, then they'd have to explain where I-73 goes.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on January 05, 2018, 01:43:00 AM
Quote from: Finrod on January 05, 2018, 01:34:18 AM
It looks like this would connect up I-74 from Rockingham to I-95.  Maybe they think that's more important than connecting up around Rockingham.  Besides, then they'd have to explain where I-73 goes.

I don't think NCDOT would bother to do any "field" explanation of I-73 routing; until such time as that route's extension into SC was constructed, they'd just put a "END I-73" shield assembly EB at the NC 38 interchange, and begin I-73 signage there in the WB direction.   
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on January 05, 2018, 01:35:27 PM
Quote from: Finrod on January 05, 2018, 01:34:18 AM
It looks like this would connect up I-74 from Rockingham to I-95.  Maybe they think that's more important than connecting up around Rockingham.  Besides, then they'd have to explain where I-73 goes.


Yeah you are correct, it will still leave a gap because the main part of Rockingham Bypass (I-73/I-74 from US 220 to US 74 west of town) isn't going to be constructed until 2026. The section that is being funded is the section of US 74 between Rockingham and Laurinburg.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on January 05, 2018, 05:11:15 PM
Quote from: Strider on January 05, 2018, 01:35:27 PM
Quote from: Finrod on January 05, 2018, 01:34:18 AM
It looks like this would connect up I-74 from Rockingham to I-95.  Maybe they think that's more important than connecting up around Rockingham.  Besides, then they'd have to explain where I-73 goes.


Yeah you are correct, it will still leave a gap because the main part of Rockingham Bypass (I-73/I-74 from US 220 to US 74 west of town) isn't going to be constructed until 2026. The section that is being funded is the section of US 74 between Rockingham and Laurinburg.

It might be possible that with the progress of the Shelby bypass and the tolled Monroe bypass, as well as the notion of continuing an Interstate-grade freeway into Wilmington itself,  NCDOT may be re-examining the idea of a full US 74-based cross-state corridor, even if it would carry multiple Interstate designations.  If this is indeed the case, the Rockingham-Laurinburg section would be subject to prioritization over the N-S section of the Rockingham bypass simply because it's an intrinsic part of that corridor concept apart from the I-73/74 ongoing project.  Besides, the Rockingham bypass project is twofold -- the "missing link" parallel to US 220, and the rebuilding of the original US 74 freeway facility; if a high-speed interchange to a westerly US 74 upgrade is added to the mix for the sake of the aforementioned E-W corridor, that might push the project back until additional funds are available.  It's NC, so anything's possible!     
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on January 06, 2018, 11:32:58 AM
Quote from: Strider on January 05, 2018, 01:35:27 PM
Quote from: Finrod on January 05, 2018, 01:34:18 AM
It looks like this would connect up I-74 from Rockingham to I-95.  Maybe they think that's more important than connecting up around Rockingham.  Besides, then they'd have to explain where I-73 goes.


Yeah you are correct, it will still leave a gap because the main part of Rockingham Bypass (I-73/I-74 from US 220 to US 74 west of town) isn't going to be constructed until 2026. The section that is being funded is the section of US 74 between Rockingham and Laurinburg.

They're currently constructing the interchange at the south end of the bypass too, right, or just the north?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on January 06, 2018, 03:18:03 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on January 06, 2018, 11:32:58 AM
Quote from: Strider on January 05, 2018, 01:35:27 PM
Quote from: Finrod on January 05, 2018, 01:34:18 AM
It looks like this would connect up I-74 from Rockingham to I-95.  Maybe they think that's more important than connecting up around Rockingham.  Besides, then they'd have to explain where I-73 goes.


Yeah you are correct, it will still leave a gap because the main part of Rockingham Bypass (I-73/I-74 from US 220 to US 74 west of town) isn't going to be constructed until 2026. The section that is being funded is the section of US 74 between Rockingham and Laurinburg.

They're currently constructing the interchange at the south end of the bypass too, right, or just the north?


The northern end of the bypass is currently under construction. :)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on January 07, 2018, 11:07:10 PM
Quote from: Strider on January 06, 2018, 03:18:03 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on January 06, 2018, 11:32:58 AM
Quote from: Strider on January 05, 2018, 01:35:27 PM
Quote from: Finrod on January 05, 2018, 01:34:18 AM
It looks like this would connect up I-74 from Rockingham to I-95.  Maybe they think that's more important than connecting up around Rockingham.  Besides, then they'd have to explain where I-73 goes.


Yeah you are correct, it will still leave a gap because the main part of Rockingham Bypass (I-73/I-74 from US 220 to US 74 west of town) isn't going to be constructed until 2026. The section that is being funded is the section of US 74 between Rockingham and Laurinburg.

They're currently constructing the interchange at the south end of the bypass too, right, or just the north?


The northern end of the bypass is currently under construction. :)

Only the north? Is the south end scheduled soon after or will that be done with the main bulk in 2026?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on January 08, 2018, 12:39:07 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on January 07, 2018, 11:07:10 PM
Quote from: Strider on January 06, 2018, 03:18:03 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on January 06, 2018, 11:32:58 AM
Quote from: Strider on January 05, 2018, 01:35:27 PM
Quote from: Finrod on January 05, 2018, 01:34:18 AM
It looks like this would connect up I-74 from Rockingham to I-95.  Maybe they think that's more important than connecting up around Rockingham.  Besides, then they'd have to explain where I-73 goes.


Yeah you are correct, it will still leave a gap because the main part of Rockingham Bypass (I-73/I-74 from US 220 to US 74 west of town) isn't going to be constructed until 2026. The section that is being funded is the section of US 74 between Rockingham and Laurinburg.

They're currently constructing the interchange at the south end of the bypass too, right, or just the north?


The northern end of the bypass is currently under construction. :)

Only the north? Is the south end scheduled soon after or will that be done with the main bulk in 2026?


Yeah the section of US 220 between the Ellebre exit (I-73/74 Exit 25) and Harrington Rd is the only part of the bypass that is currently under construction. This section includes interchanges with Haywood Cemetery and Dockery Rd (Exit 23) and US 220 itself (Exit 22) where it will leave Future I-73/74 Bypass for the final time (US 220 currently ends at US 1 just south of Rockingham in case you didn't know).

The rest of them will start in 2026, according to the NCDOT's STIP map:

Route / City:  US 220 BYPASS / FUTURE I-73 / FUTURE I-74

Description: ROCKINGHAM BYPASS, US 74 BYPASS WEST OF ROCKINGHAM AT SR 1109 (ZION CHURCH ROAD) INTERCHANGE TO SOUTH OF SR 1140 (OLD CHARLOTTE HIGHWAY)
SPOT ID: H090231-A
Funding Category: DIV
ROW Year:
Const. Year: 2026
Project Cost: $70,200,000.00
Comments: RIGHT OF WAY IN PROGRESS

Route / City:  US 220 BYPASS / FUTURE I-73 / FUTURE I-74

Description: ROCKINGHAM BYPASS, SOUTH OF SR 1140 (OLD CHARLOTTE HIGHWAY) TO SOUTHWEST OF SR 1304 (HARRINGTON ROAD)

SPOT ID: H090231-B
Funding Category: DIV
ROW Year:
Const. Year: 2026
Project Cost: $74,500,000.00
Comments: RIGHT OF WAY IN PROGRESS
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 08, 2018, 12:10:11 PM
Quote from: Strider on January 08, 2018, 12:39:07 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on January 07, 2018, 11:07:10 PM
Quote from: Strider on January 06, 2018, 03:18:03 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on January 06, 2018, 11:32:58 AM
Quote from: Strider on January 05, 2018, 01:35:27 PM
Quote from: Finrod on January 05, 2018, 01:34:18 AM
It looks like this would connect up I-74 from Rockingham to I-95.  Maybe they think that's more important than connecting up around Rockingham.  Besides, then they'd have to explain where I-73 goes.


Yeah you are correct, it will still leave a gap because the main part of Rockingham Bypass (I-73/I-74 from US 220 to US 74 west of town) isn't going to be constructed until 2026. The section that is being funded is the section of US 74 between Rockingham and Laurinburg.

They're currently constructing the interchange at the south end of the bypass too, right, or just the north?


The northern end of the bypass is currently under construction. :)

Only the north? Is the south end scheduled soon after or will that be done with the main bulk in 2026?


Yeah the section of US 220 between the Ellebre exit (I-73/74 Exit 25) and Harrington Rd is the only part of the bypass that is currently under construction. This section includes interchanges with Haywood Cemetery and Dockery Rd (Exit 23) and US 220 itself (Exit 22) where it will leave Future I-73/74 Bypass for the final time (US 220 currently ends at US 1 just south of Rockingham in case you didn't know).

The rest of them will start in 2026, according to the NCDOT's STIP map:

Route / City:  US 220 BYPASS / FUTURE I-73 / FUTURE I-74

Description: ROCKINGHAM BYPASS, US 74 BYPASS WEST OF ROCKINGHAM AT SR 1109 (ZION CHURCH ROAD) INTERCHANGE TO SOUTH OF SR 1140 (OLD CHARLOTTE HIGHWAY)
SPOT ID: H090231-A
Funding Category: DIV
ROW Year:
Const. Year: 2026
Project Cost: $70,200,000.00
Comments: RIGHT OF WAY IN PROGRESS

Route / City:  US 220 BYPASS / FUTURE I-73 / FUTURE I-74

Description: ROCKINGHAM BYPASS, SOUTH OF SR 1140 (OLD CHARLOTTE HIGHWAY) TO SOUTHWEST OF SR 1304 (HARRINGTON ROAD)

SPOT ID: H090231-B
Funding Category: DIV
ROW Year:
Const. Year: 2026
Project Cost: $74,500,000.00
Comments: RIGHT OF WAY IN PROGRESS
Turns out the Dec. 2017 STIP update linked from the NCDOT STIP site I was quoting for the re-funded upgrade work to US 74 is actually from Dec. 2015, the years listed run from 2016 to 2025. From checking out the map cited above and what NCDOT says is also a revised STIP that does list for 2018-2027, the Rockingham Bypass is funded and the I-74 upgrade from Rockingham to Laurinburg is still unfunded, but a feasibility study is in progress. I will be updating my I-73/74 pages with the correct information. There is also a project to upgrade the US 74/US 1 interchange on the Bypass (listed as US 74/Future I-74, despite the drop of the signage) that is to start in 2022.

The reference in the STIP to a Feasibility Study in progress is dated. The Study was completed in November and is available online:
https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/FS-1508A_Feasibility-Study_Report_2017.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/FS-1508A_Feasibility-Study_Report_2017.pdf)

It recommends two alternatives, one just an upgrade of the existing US 74, the other the same except for a southern bypass around Laurel Hill between SR 1363 (Fred Carter Road) and SR 1267 (Devon Drive) (a third involving a northern bypass of Laurel Hill was rejected for environmental reasons). They are nearly identical in length, meaning the bypass won't be that long (23.95 miles vs. 24.11). Between Rockingham and Laurel Hill intersections would be closed off and service roads built. There would be a partial cloverleaf interchange at Old Hundred Road/Corbitt Road. Depending on the alternative chosen there would be either 1 exit at St. John's Road or 3 exits, for existing US 74 at the Bypass, St Johns Road and Ida Mill/Spring Mill Roads, which would have a connection so existing US 74 traffic could access the Bypass. There would also be an additional interchange in both alternatives at Armstrong Rd between Laurel Hill and the Laurinburg Bypass. There may be the closing of some ramps for US 15/US 401 and/or Business 15/401 due to the short distance between the exits. The study indicates the total cost for each alternative is about the same, $310.5 million vs. $311.4 million. Now its up to NCDOT to find the funds and decide a date.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on January 10, 2018, 01:55:08 PM
A NCDOT spokersperson emailed me and told me that the section of US 220 (Future I-73) from US 220 to NC 68 intersection in which he said it will be the temporary ending of I-73, will be signed as I-73. The contractor that is supposed to put up signs have not gotten things done. So, the delay is basically the contractor's fault, not NCDOT's.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Thing 342 on February 04, 2018, 11:29:08 AM
Drove most of I-73 and I-74 yesterday, and took some photos:

Greensboro:

I-73 is still MIA on the new US-220 segment, but there are some doofy looking US-220 shields present:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwesj.org%2Froads%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F02%2FMVIMG_20180203_113119-e1517760500433.jpg&hash=1ff2b55175c329eae3b77e0249513135de376c68)

Approaching US-158:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwesj.org%2Froads%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F02%2FMVIMG_20180203_113149.jpg&hash=4256e90933dc5af382ba4f701627a01c9f2e9abf)

Exit number signage is also missing, but otherwise everything's complete (lol @ that 158 shield, btw)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwesj.org%2Froads%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F02%2FMVIMG_20180203_113338.jpg&hash=6746e9882e28abb3d853c27f2a459e98bb46c9cf)

Some I-73 signage exists, but not much until you reach the slightly older sections:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwesj.org%2Froads%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F02%2FMVIMG_20180203_113433.jpg&hash=52dca3596a290e63df90fd117e8c894104ab7ec2)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwesj.org%2Froads%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F02%2FMVIMG_20180203_113502.jpg&hash=a440940e044ad18cb922e9f8ab39f73d8bd7a721)

Some new signage for the imminent opening of the new I-840 segment. Was scheduled to open Feb 1, but was still not open when I came through, annoyingly.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwesj.org%2Froads%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F02%2FIMG_20180203_114356.jpg&hash=2d773986ecd6170099a24d6104ddbe96716ea6d8)

Rockingham:

The southbound lanes on this stretch are open and finished, but the northbound set still needs a little bit of work, it seems:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwesj.org%2Froads%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F02%2FMVIMG_20180203_142453.jpg&hash=e9aacea64c501a2c05ae61313d9a7e63003f8653)

The northbound lanes now switch over right before the Haywood Cemetery Rd. Exit:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwesj.org%2Froads%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F02%2FIMG_20180203_142547.jpg&hash=c55ca7b9dbec35b94fac3f2053721a6cd899d4db)

The Haywood Cemetery Rd. Exit looks like it still needs paving:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwesj.org%2Froads%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F02%2FMVIMG_20180203_142634.jpg&hash=ff67ae3d23686892e5a0e98f091e1a78b92b11ea)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on February 04, 2018, 04:50:29 PM
Yeah you see some goofy looking US 220 shields because it is a temporary signage that is being reserved for I-73/US 220 shields to be put together. The signage contractor is late in putting the exit numbers and I-73 signs. It should be finished by the time I-840 segment is open, or when the entire signage changes in Greensboro along the I-73 corridor are complete.

The I-840 segment north of I-73 won't be open until late February or March, weather permitting.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on February 05, 2018, 11:46:15 AM
Quote from: Strider on February 04, 2018, 04:50:29 PM
Yeah you see some goofy looking US 220 shields because it is a temporary signage that is being reserved for I-73/US 220 shields to be put together. The signage contractor is late in putting the exit numbers and I-73 signs. It should be finished by the time I-840 segment is open, or when the entire signage changes in Greensboro along the I-73 corridor are complete.

The I-840 segment north of I-73 won't be open until late February or March, weather permitting.
The Richmond County project was about 89% complete as of the end of December. The current completion date in April 9. Looks like they decided not to cover the I-73/I-74 shields at the Haywood Cemetery Rd exit, even though that's jumping the gun by a couple months. This will probably be the furthest south I-73 will appear on an overhead sign for several years until the rest of the Bypass is completed. This will be the eventual sign at the US 220 exit overhead gantry seen in the second to bottom photo:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2FI73seg11exit22plansm.jpg&hash=d1eaa2822531e37eae9a59c58f314176806454c4)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Bobby5280 on February 10, 2018, 10:35:54 PM
426" X 240"? That's a big damn sign panel. That's 35' 6" X 20' 0". That's 710 square feet, more square footage than any standard size billboard, including the 48' X 14' standard (672 sq ft). That type of big green sign is a serious wind target. It would be interesting to see the support steel specifications for it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on February 12, 2018, 09:45:27 AM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on February 10, 2018, 10:35:54 PM
426" X 240"? That's a big damn sign panel. That's 35' 6" X 20' 0". That's 710 square feet, more square footage than any standard size billboard, including the 48' X 14' standard (672 sq ft). That type of big green sign is a serious wind target. It would be interesting to see the support steel specifications for it.

There are even larger signs than that on NC freeways.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on March 08, 2018, 01:22:47 PM
NCDOT has awarded a contract to upgrade the Hallsboro Road intersection on US-74/76 east of Whiteville to an interchange.

https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14934 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14934)

QuoteWHITEVILLE — The N.C. Department of Transportation will upgrade the intersection of Hallsboro Road and U.S. 74/76 east of Whiteville into an interchange that will feature bridges and ramps.

Traffic on Hallsboro Road must now stop and wait before entering the highway. To lessen the risk of crashes, particularly those involving a high rate of speed, the new interchange will let motorists on Hallsboro Road go over the highway on a bridge or use the ramps to enter it without stopping.

The department in February awarded a nearly $9.4 million contract to BMCO Construction Inc. of Lumberton for the project, which is expected to get underway by this summer and be completed by 2020.

This is the latest in NCDOT's ongoing efforts to improve mobility and safety on U.S. 74 by building more interchanges.

This was one of 16 road and bridge contracts recently awarded by the N.C. Department of Transportation. Per state law they went to the lowest qualified bidder for each project. The contracts are worth $65.1 million, more than $852,000 under engineer estimates.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: BrianP on March 08, 2018, 01:50:29 PM
QuoteThe N.C. Department of Transportation will upgrade the intersection of Hallsboro Road and U.S. 74/76 east of Whiteville into an interchange that will feature bridges and ramps.
Really?  I thought it was going feature unicorns and ponies.  LOL!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on March 08, 2018, 04:47:23 PM
Quote from: BrianP on March 08, 2018, 01:50:29 PM
QuoteThe N.C. Department of Transportation will upgrade the intersection of Hallsboro Road and U.S. 74/76 east of Whiteville into an interchange that will feature bridges and ramps.
Really?  I thought it was going feature unicorns and ponies.  LOL!
This project is somewhat more important than the press release reveals. It will remove the only at-grade intersection between Whiteville and Lake Waccamaw. When completed, it will extend the freeway status of Future I-74 by nine miles.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: BrianP on March 08, 2018, 05:16:01 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on March 08, 2018, 04:47:23 PM
Quote from: BrianP on March 08, 2018, 01:50:29 PM
QuoteThe N.C. Department of Transportation will upgrade the intersection of Hallsboro Road and U.S. 74/76 east of Whiteville into an interchange that will feature bridges and ramps.
Really?  I thought it was going feature unicorns and ponies.  LOL!
This project is somewhat more important than the press release reveals. It will remove the only at-grade intersection between Whiteville and Lake Waccamaw. When completed, it will extend the freeway status of Future I-74 by nine miles.
For anyone who doesn't get the joke:  Saying that an interchange will feature bridges and ramps is like saying that a house will feature walls and ceilings.  It wouldn't be a house without walls and ceilings.  And it wouldn't be an interchange without ramps.  I suppose the bridges part is actually optional.  E.g. https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4829666,-76.2579566,221m/data=!3m1!1e3
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 08, 2018, 05:41:55 PM
Quote from: LM117 on March 08, 2018, 01:22:47 PM
NCDOT has awarded a contract to upgrade the Hallsboro Road intersection on US-74/76 east of Whiteville to an interchange.

https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14934 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14934)

QuoteWHITEVILLE — The N.C. Department of Transportation will upgrade the intersection of Hallsboro Road and U.S. 74/76 east of Whiteville into an interchange that will feature bridges and ramps.

Traffic on Hallsboro Road must now stop and wait before entering the highway. To lessen the risk of crashes, particularly those involving a high rate of speed, the new interchange will let motorists on Hallsboro Road go over the highway on a bridge or use the ramps to enter it without stopping.

The department in February awarded a nearly $9.4 million contract to BMCO Construction Inc. of Lumberton for the project, which is expected to get underway by this summer and be completed by 2020.

This is the latest in NCDOT's ongoing efforts to improve mobility and safety on U.S. 74 by building more interchanges.

This was one of 16 road and bridge contracts recently awarded by the N.C. Department of Transportation. Per state law they went to the lowest qualified bidder for each project. The contracts are worth $65.1 million, more than $852,000 under engineer estimates.


Will US 74 be upgraded to interstate standards in that area or no?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on March 08, 2018, 06:45:03 PM
Quote from: Strider on March 08, 2018, 05:41:55 PM
Quote from: LM117 on March 08, 2018, 01:22:47 PM
NCDOT has awarded a contract to upgrade the Hallsboro Road intersection on US-74/76 east of Whiteville to an interchange.

https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14934 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14934)

QuoteWHITEVILLE — The N.C. Department of Transportation will upgrade the intersection of Hallsboro Road and U.S. 74/76 east of Whiteville into an interchange that will feature bridges and ramps.

Traffic on Hallsboro Road must now stop and wait before entering the highway. To lessen the risk of crashes, particularly those involving a high rate of speed, the new interchange will let motorists on Hallsboro Road go over the highway on a bridge or use the ramps to enter it without stopping.

The department in February awarded a nearly $9.4 million contract to BMCO Construction Inc. of Lumberton for the project, which is expected to get underway by this summer and be completed by 2020.

This is the latest in NCDOT's ongoing efforts to improve mobility and safety on U.S. 74 by building more interchanges.

This was one of 16 road and bridge contracts recently awarded by the N.C. Department of Transportation. Per state law they went to the lowest qualified bidder for each project. The contracts are worth $65.1 million, more than $852,000 under engineer estimates.


Will US 74 be upgraded to interstate standards in that area or no?

Within the limits of the project, I assume so. In general, US 74 appears to meet Interstate standards except for the width of the paved shoulders.
https://goo.gl/maps/88qM4ccHdaS2
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on March 08, 2018, 07:19:22 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on March 08, 2018, 04:47:23 PM
Quote from: BrianP on March 08, 2018, 01:50:29 PM
QuoteThe N.C. Department of Transportation will upgrade the intersection of Hallsboro Road and U.S. 74/76 east of Whiteville into an interchange that will feature bridges and ramps.
Really?  I thought it was going feature unicorns and ponies.  LOL!
This project is somewhat more important than the press release reveals. It will remove the only at-grade intersection between Whiteville and Lake Waccamaw. When completed, it will extend the freeway status of Future I-74 by nine miles.

The western half of that is already 70 mph freeway...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 08, 2018, 10:15:37 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on March 08, 2018, 07:19:22 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on March 08, 2018, 04:47:23 PM
Quote from: BrianP on March 08, 2018, 01:50:29 PM
QuoteThe N.C. Department of Transportation will upgrade the intersection of Hallsboro Road and U.S. 74/76 east of Whiteville into an interchange that will feature bridges and ramps.
Really?  I thought it was going feature unicorns and ponies.  LOL!
This project is somewhat more important than the press release reveals. It will remove the only at-grade intersection between Whiteville and Lake Waccamaw. When completed, it will extend the freeway status of Future I-74 by nine miles.

The western half of that is already 70 mph freeway...
And for those who are curious as to what the exit number will be, it will be 248.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi74seg18signplan.jpg&hash=edf520ba958071097eb2f766c1c943bec8a8909d)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 31, 2018, 02:12:48 PM
Interstate 73 has now been signed along US 220 to its new northern terminus beyond NC 68 in Rockingham County. The end sign, courtesy of Strider:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg2str318c.JPG&hash=88005d2feae986c6761fe8fd632f3199211def6f)

I will be posting his complete set of photos soon on my I-73 Segment 2 page:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on April 02, 2018, 12:03:31 AM
What's the speed limit on the upgraded 220 stretch? 65 or 70?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on April 02, 2018, 01:51:31 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on April 02, 2018, 12:03:31 AM
What's the speed limit on the upgraded 220 stretch? 65 or 70?

60 mph for now. It will be increased to 65 once all signage plans are complete and installed.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 02, 2018, 05:56:56 PM
I have posted several new photos of construction progress (more on the western than the eastern end) along the Future I-74 Winston-Salem Northern Beltway between US 421 (Bus. 40) and US 158 courtesy of J. Austin Carter. Here's a look toward the future US 158 interchange:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi74seg4jac418g.JPG&hash=3de716d7f6b69fdfdc5b7ae23196ab526f73d3f4)

The rest on my I-74 Segment 4 page: http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 05, 2018, 05:14:56 PM
NCDOT has awarded the contract that will build three more segments of the Eastern Section (Future I-74) of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway from US 311 to US 52. Completion is scheduled for 2022:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=15043 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=15043)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on April 06, 2018, 02:24:16 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on April 05, 2018, 05:14:56 PM
NCDOT has awarded the contract that will build three more segments of the Eastern Section (Future I-74) of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway from US 311 to US 52. Completion is scheduled for 2022:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=15043 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=15043)

Question: does this segment include the interchange with US 52, or will that be addressed in a future letting?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on April 06, 2018, 10:05:15 AM
Quote from: sparker on April 06, 2018, 02:24:16 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on April 05, 2018, 05:14:56 PM
NCDOT has awarded the contract that will build three more segments of the Eastern Section (Future I-74) of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway from US 311 to US 52. Completion is scheduled for 2022:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=15043 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=15043)

Question: does this segment include the interchange with US 52, or will that be addressed in a future letting?
The interchange with US 52 is part of the Western Loop (R-2247EB) which is going to the design-build process. Right of way acquisition and letting are scheduled for later this year.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 06, 2018, 04:19:07 PM
Quote from: dfilpus on April 06, 2018, 10:05:15 AM
Quote from: sparker on April 06, 2018, 02:24:16 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on April 05, 2018, 05:14:56 PM
NCDOT has awarded the contract that will build three more segments of the Eastern Section (Future I-74) of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway from US 311 to US 52. Completion is scheduled for 2022:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=15043 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=15043)

Question: does this segment include the interchange with US 52, or will that be addressed in a future letting?
The interchange with US 52 is part of the Western Loop (R-2247EB) which is going to the design-build process. Right of way acquisition and letting are scheduled for later this year.
Actually, some work has started in building the Beltway interchange with US 52 (and also the future interchange with US 421 at the other end of the western loop). Under Contract C203840 (shouldn't that be for a Greensboro Loop contract?) preliminary work is being done to modify the existing US 52 interchange with NC 65 to make room for the future Beltway interchange. As of the end of Feb. the work was 26% complete with a finishing date of Sept. 2019.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 08, 2018, 10:53:14 PM
The contractor for the US 220 north of Haw River segment of I-73 has started installing I-73 exit number tabs and gore signs, including on this sign which will be the highest numbered I-73 exit for the foreseeable future, courtesy of Strider:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg2str418d.JPG&hash=f3731772a63d5baaedbcac4b9baf83e694916950)

The remainder on my I-73 Segment 2 page: http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 15, 2018, 10:40:42 AM
In the final step to upgrade US 220 to I-73 north of the Haw River, the contractor has now placed I-73 exit number tabs on the overhead and ground-mounted signs. Here's the first overhead on I-73 North after the merge with US 220 in Summerfield, courtesy of Strider:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg2str418k.JPG&hash=a61de80476955fb1f8a085e1db70842009d9e56b)

The rest of the new photos are on the I-73 Segment 2 page: http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 17, 2018, 09:54:55 AM
NCDOT is holding a public meeting in Boardman on May 21 to discuss converting the Macedonia Church Rd/Old Boardman Rd intersection on US-74 (Future I-74) into an interchange.

https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=15210 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=15210)

Map:

https://www.ncdot.gov/download/projects/publichearings/R-5797_rdy_phm.pdf (https://www.ncdot.gov/download/projects/publichearings/R-5797_rdy_phm.pdf)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on May 17, 2018, 01:29:37 PM
Quote from: LM117 on May 17, 2018, 09:54:55 AM
NCDOT is holding a public meeting in Boardman on May 21 to discuss converting the Macedonia Church Rd/Old Boardman Rd intersection on US-74 (Future I-74) into an interchange.

https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=15210 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=15210)

Map:

https://www.ncdot.gov/download/projects/publichearings/R-5797_rdy_phm.pdf (https://www.ncdot.gov/download/projects/publichearings/R-5797_rdy_phm.pdf)
This location is just to the east of the Lumber River crossing in one of the last remaining non-freeway sections of US 74 between Lumberton and Whiteville.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on May 26, 2018, 10:06:36 AM
Looks like NCDOT is doing some cleanup by removing the redundency of US 311 between Winston-Salem and Randleman along I-74, which is great.  Now if they can only continue the trend by moving US 220 off I-73 between Ellerbe and Greensboro. They can easily reroute back on its former alignment, currently identified as Business and Alternate routes.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on May 26, 2018, 03:34:59 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on May 26, 2018, 10:06:36 AM
Looks like NCDOT is doing some cleanup by removing the redundency of US 311 between Winston-Salem and Randleman along I-74, which is great.  Now if they can only continue the trend by moving US 220 off I-73 between Ellerbe and Greensboro. They can easily reroute back on its former alignment, currently identified as Business and Alternate routes.

That's a good idea -- unfortunately, AASHTO frowns on such things -- although NC has gotten away with re-establishing US 117 on its former alignment parallel to I-795, so there is some local precedent for this.  But an alternate scenario would be simply to truncate US 220 back in Greensboro and deploy a series of business loops along old US 220 between Greensboro and Rockingham -- or just make it a state route.  In any case, US 220's superfluous along that stretch; after the Rockingham bypass has been completed, it's likely something will be done regarding that designation.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on May 26, 2018, 09:43:21 PM
Quote from: sparker on May 26, 2018, 03:34:59 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on May 26, 2018, 10:06:36 AM
Looks like NCDOT is doing some cleanup by removing the redundency of US 311 between Winston-Salem and Randleman along I-74, which is great.  Now if they can only continue the trend by moving US 220 off I-73 between Ellerbe and Greensboro. They can easily reroute back on its former alignment, currently identified as Business and Alternate routes.

That's a good idea -- unfortunately, AASHTO frowns on such things -- although NC has gotten away with re-establishing US 117 on its former alignment parallel to I-795, so there is some local precedent for this.  But an alternate scenario would be simply to truncate US 220 back in Greensboro and deploy a series of business loops along old US 220 between Greensboro and Rockingham -- or just make it a state route.  In any case, US 220's superfluous along that stretch; after the Rockingham bypass has been completed, it's likely something will be done regarding that designation.

North Carolina is moving away from Interstate Business routes, so don't expect I-73 Business anytime soon. I could see a state route replacing US 220 south of Greensboro.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on May 27, 2018, 01:39:35 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on May 26, 2018, 09:43:21 PM
Quote from: sparker on May 26, 2018, 03:34:59 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on May 26, 2018, 10:06:36 AM
Looks like NCDOT is doing some cleanup by removing the redundency of US 311 between Winston-Salem and Randleman along I-74, which is great.  Now if they can only continue the trend by moving US 220 off I-73 between Ellerbe and Greensboro. They can easily reroute back on its former alignment, currently identified as Business and Alternate routes.

That's a good idea -- unfortunately, AASHTO frowns on such things -- although NC has gotten away with re-establishing US 117 on its former alignment parallel to I-795, so there is some local precedent for this.  But an alternate scenario would be simply to truncate US 220 back in Greensboro and deploy a series of business loops along old US 220 between Greensboro and Rockingham -- or just make it a state route.  In any case, US 220's superfluous along that stretch; after the Rockingham bypass has been completed, it's likely something will be done regarding that designation.

North Carolina is moving away from Interstate Business routes, so don't expect I-73 Business anytime soon. I could see a state route replacing US 220 south of Greensboro.

Since NCDOT certainly has displayed a penchant for Interstate shielding of routes, it seems that sentiment is limited to the red, white, and blue variety.  Green & white......not so much!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on June 04, 2018, 09:20:42 PM
I have a random question, as I have mainly concentrated on the progress of I-74 around W-S the last 3+ years....

How is progress on the 2 mile south extension of 73/74 north of Rockingham, prior to the turn towards present day completed 74 (just not signed)? Anyone have an update for that segment?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 05, 2018, 06:11:31 PM
Quote from: jcarte29 on June 04, 2018, 09:20:42 PM
I have a random question, as I have mainly concentrated on the progress of I-74 around W-S the last 3+ years....

How is progress on the 2 mile south extension of 73/74 north of Rockingham, prior to the turn towards present day completed 74 (just not signed)? Anyone have an update for that segment?
There has been no media reports regarding that section of I-73/74. Last news that was posted was that the freeway was open north of the Haywood Cemetery Rd exit. The last NCDOT progress report listing for the end of April had it 94.4% complete but still listed the completion date as April 9. The progress report gave the name and number for a contact at the Division office, James A. Dietrich and a phone number:   (910)944-7554. May end up trying to contact him if there's nothing reported by the end of this month. Or, someone closer could take a road trip to check it out.  :D
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 25, 2018, 12:18:07 PM
While there's been no official NCDOT press release or or other media reports, NCDOT has dropped the contract listing for the first phase of the I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass project, indicating, at least in their opinion, that work has been completed. Therefore, I've updated my I-73 Segment 11 page to indicate its new status:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 10, 2018, 09:35:02 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on June 25, 2018, 12:18:07 PM
While there's been no official NCDOT press release or or other media reports, NCDOT has dropped the contract listing for the first phase of the I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass project, indicating, at least in their opinion, that work has been completed. Therefore, I've updated my I-73 Segment 11 page to indicate its new status:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html)


Contacted the Division office in regarding to I-73/I-74 Rockingham bypass, and he responded to me:

The current section of I-73/74 (Rockingham bypass) is nearing completion but do not have a firm date as of yet, most all work is completed and traffic is in its final pattern for this section. As for the next phase of the bypass, this work is within the NCDOT's 10 year plan but there is no firm date as of yet.


If you have any further questions please feel free to contact me.



Thanks,



James "Jim"  Dietrich
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 11, 2018, 11:48:34 AM
Quote from: Strider on July 10, 2018, 09:35:02 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on June 25, 2018, 12:18:07 PM
While there's been no official NCDOT press release or or other media reports, NCDOT has dropped the contract listing for the first phase of the I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass project, indicating, at least in their opinion, that work has been completed. Therefore, I've updated my I-73 Segment 11 page to indicate its new status:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html)


Contacted the Division office in regarding to I-73/I-74 Rockingham bypass, and he responded to me:

The current section of I-73/74 (Rockingham bypass) is nearing completion but do not have a firm date as of yet, most all work is completed and traffic is in its final pattern for this section. As for the next phase of the bypass, this work is within the NCDOT's 10 year plan but there is no firm date as of yet.

If you have any further questions please feel free to contact me.

Thanks,

James "Jim"  Dietrich
Thanks for reaching out to NCDOT. If traffic is in its final configuration then I would call it complete for all practical purposes. Hopefully, the new STIP will move up the date of the construction for the rest of the Bypass.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 31, 2018, 07:47:37 PM
Quote from: LM117 on March 08, 2018, 01:22:47 PM
NCDOT has awarded a contract to upgrade the Hallsboro Road intersection on US-74/76 east of Whiteville to an interchange.

https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14934 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14934)

QuoteWHITEVILLE — The N.C. Department of Transportation will upgrade the intersection of Hallsboro Road and U.S. 74/76 east of Whiteville into an interchange that will feature bridges and ramps.

Traffic on Hallsboro Road must now stop and wait before entering the highway. To lessen the risk of crashes, particularly those involving a high rate of speed, the new interchange will let motorists on Hallsboro Road go over the highway on a bridge or use the ramps to enter it without stopping.

The department in February awarded a nearly $9.4 million contract to BMCO Construction Inc. of Lumberton for the project, which is expected to get underway by this summer and be completed by 2020.

This is the latest in NCDOT's ongoing efforts to improve mobility and safety on U.S. 74 by building more interchanges.

This was one of 16 road and bridge contracts recently awarded by the N.C. Department of Transportation. Per state law they went to the lowest qualified bidder for each project. The contracts are worth $65.1 million, more than $852,000 under engineer estimates.

Beginning August 6, Hallsboro Road will be closed so that construction can begin. Completion scheduled for May 2020.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-07-31-hallsboro-road-to-close.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-07-31-hallsboro-road-to-close.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 10, 2018, 10:30:22 PM
Have posted photos of the confirmed completed northern section of the I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass, courtesy of Ben Thurkill. The newest set of End I-73/I-74 signs at the future ramp to US 220 South:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg11bt918jw.jpg&hash=999a8a9f3ad56751012c126dacf36005d83e41b6)

The rest of the photos on my I-73 Segment 11 page: http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 01, 2018, 12:20:36 PM
NCDOT press release about upcoming public meeting to discuss the conversion of at-grade intersections of US 74/76 near Lake Waccamaw to an interchange and overpass. The release also includes one of the first official statements that this project is part of a plan to upgrade this section of US 74/76 to interstate standards for Future I-74:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-01-lake-waccamaw-interchange-at-US-74.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-01-lake-waccamaw-interchange-at-US-74.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: mvak36 on October 01, 2018, 01:14:34 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on October 01, 2018, 12:20:36 PM
NCDOT press release about upcoming public meeting to discuss the conversion of at-grade intersections of US 74/76 near Lake Waccamaw to an interchange and overpass. The release also includes one of the first official statements that this project is part of a plan to upgrade this section of US 74/76 to interstate standards for Future I-74:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-01-lake-waccamaw-interchange-at-US-74.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-01-lake-waccamaw-interchange-at-US-74.aspx)

I remember about a month ago seeing this article (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-08-29-intersection-improvement.aspx) about US74/76 further east of this location being converted to a superstreet. Since they're talking about this project being a part of I-74, are they planning on building the road south towards Myrtle Beach?

I know the road is legislated to go to Myrtle Beach but, personally, I'd rather see it go to Wilmington.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 01, 2018, 09:55:03 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on October 01, 2018, 01:14:34 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on October 01, 2018, 12:20:36 PM
NCDOT press release about upcoming public meeting to discuss the conversion of at-grade intersections of US 74/76 near Lake Waccamaw to an interchange and overpass. The release also includes one of the first official statements that this project is part of a plan to upgrade this section of US 74/76 to interstate standards for Future I-74:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-01-lake-waccamaw-interchange-at-US-74.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-01-lake-waccamaw-interchange-at-US-74.aspx)

I remember about a month ago seeing this article (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-08-29-intersection-improvement.aspx) about US74/76 further east of this location being converted to a superstreet. Since they're talking about this project being a part of I-74, are they planning on building the road south towards Myrtle Beach?

I know the road is legislated to go to Myrtle Beach but, personally, I'd rather see it go to Wilmington.
The Lake Waccamaw project is on US 74/76 to the west of where the proposed I-74 route would leave and head southeast, so NCDOT is still officially planning the route to head towards Myrtle Beach. I agree too that Wilmington would be the better choice. I don't believe this will change until SC decides whether or not to build I-73 and, if so, the  need for the I-74 route is reconsidered.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on October 02, 2018, 05:09:54 AM
SC wants to build I-73, but the issue is funding. They've been trying to get federal funding, but no dice. Here's their latest attempt as of last week:

https://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/article218999470.html (https://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/article218999470.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on October 02, 2018, 09:52:06 AM
I-73 is majorly needed after Florence struck the area.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on October 02, 2018, 06:32:52 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on October 01, 2018, 01:14:34 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on October 01, 2018, 12:20:36 PM
NCDOT press release about upcoming public meeting to discuss the conversion of at-grade intersections of US 74/76 near Lake Waccamaw to an interchange and overpass. The release also includes one of the first official statements that this project is part of a plan to upgrade this section of US 74/76 to interstate standards for Future I-74:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-01-lake-waccamaw-interchange-at-US-74.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-01-lake-waccamaw-interchange-at-US-74.aspx)

I remember about a month ago seeing this article (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-08-29-intersection-improvement.aspx) about US74/76 further east of this location being converted to a superstreet. Since they're talking about this project being a part of I-74, are they planning on building the road south towards Myrtle Beach?

I know the road is legislated to go to Myrtle Beach but, personally, I'd rather see it go to Wilmington.
Me too, and there's plenty of support for that in the Forum. However, there's development along US 74/76 as the road approaches Wilmington. When and if there's a freeway connection, whether you call it I-74 or something else, most of what would be east of the currently-identified turnoff to MB would probably have to be on new location. In particular, the section slated to become a super street would almost certainly be bypassed.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 19, 2018, 04:24:38 PM
NCDOT will be holding a public hearing on Dec. 3 regarding the proposed project to replace the US 74 intersections with NC 72 and NC 130 in Robeson County with an interchange as part of the process of upgrading the route to be I-74:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/public-meetings/Pages/2018-12-03-R-5751.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/public-meetings/Pages/2018-12-03-R-5751.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on November 19, 2018, 05:10:06 PM
Do they know yet what kind of interchange is going to be built? I would think a simple diamond interchange northwest of the existing US 74/State Highway 72 intersection would suffice.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 29, 2018, 11:35:33 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on November 19, 2018, 05:10:06 PM
Do they know yet what kind of interchange is going to be built? I would think a simple diamond interchange northwest of the existing US 74/State Highway 72 intersection would suffice.
NCDOT just posted the map for the public hearing, the proposed interchange will be east of the 2 intersections with 2 roundabouts at the entrance ramps: https://www.ncdot.gov/news/public-meetings/Documents/R5751_Rdy_phm.pdf (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/public-meetings/Documents/R5751_Rdy_phm.pdf)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on November 29, 2018, 11:55:28 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 29, 2018, 11:35:33 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on November 19, 2018, 05:10:06 PM
Do they know yet what kind of interchange is going to be built? I would think a simple diamond interchange northwest of the existing US 74/State Highway 72 intersection would suffice.
NCDOT just posted the map for the public hearing, the proposed interchange will be east of the 2 intersections with 2 roundabouts at the entrance ramps: https://www.ncdot.gov/news/public-meetings/Documents/R5751_Rdy_phm.pdf (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/public-meetings/Documents/R5751_Rdy_phm.pdf)

Looking at the existing RoW, they obviously had originally anticipated building the diamond slightly to the west of the current plan. I wonder why they changed it if they already own almost all of the originally planned RoW and now have to acquire more.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 08, 2018, 05:30:09 PM
I've posted recent photos by site contributor Strider of new signage that has gone up on I-40 in Greensboro (finally) acknowledging the existence of I-73 North and I-840 East on the Greensboro Loop, here at the exit westbound:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg5str1218f.JPG&hash=fa569b50e53da758cb0ee84763269bd468572f40)

The rest of the photos can be found on my I-73 Segment 5 page:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg5.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg5.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on December 09, 2018, 01:48:35 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on December 08, 2018, 05:30:09 PM
I've posted recent photos by site contributor Strider of new signage that has gone up on I-40 in Greensboro (finally) acknowledging the existence of I-73 North and I-840 East on the Greensboro Loop, here at the exit westbound:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg5str1218f.JPG&hash=fa569b50e53da758cb0ee84763269bd468572f40)

The rest of the photos can be found on my I-73 Segment 5 page:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg5.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg5.html#photos)
Glad they finally posted the proper signage. Question, has the speed limit on the newly upgraded I-73 north of Summerfield gone up to 65-70 MPH? Last time I went through back in April, it was only 60 MPH, and I imagined it wasn't going to stay that way.

I find it funny how heading east on I-40 approaching the loop, the new overhead signs "Durham" as a control city for the southern bypass. Wasn't the whole point of routing I-40 back through Greensboro as opposed to the bypass because of shorter distance? This sign just contradicts that.

In Charlotte, Greensboro is a control city for I-85 through the city, as opposed to the bypass, I-485.

Personally, I think I-85 (just like I-40 was) should be routed back on the old routes, and the entire beltway fully signed as I-840 with a little I-73 overlap. A mainline interstate should only be routed on a beltway if there's no through-city option (like I-73), however I-85 has a through-city option. I-95 goes through Richmond, I-295 goes around, I-85 goes through Charlotte, I-485 goes around, I-85 goes through Atlanta, I-285 goes around, I-40 goes through Nashville, I-840 goes around, I-40 goes through Raleigh, I-540/NC 540 goes around, I-95 goes through Jacksonville, I-295 goes around, etc.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg5str1018b.JPG&hash=243f31b1b0e63063678c91124a462c5f0a2a20c0)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: RoadPelican on December 10, 2018, 11:41:45 AM
I just drove on I-73 in Summerfield last week and the Speed Limit is 65 MPH.  I can't believe it used to be 60, that's ridiculous!!! 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Revive 755 on December 10, 2018, 12:28:20 PM
How come NB I-73 gets routed through a loop ramp at the eastern I-85 interchange, in an urban area, yet FHWA is making Kentucky build high speed direct ramps for I-69 in lower volume rural areas (Example 1 (https://goo.gl/maps/nP1EtjcSSq12), Example 2 (https://goo.gl/maps/m1wsPFxvEoM2)?  SB I-73 also appears to be built to a lower standard than Kentucky was forced to use for I-69, with a one lane ramp there, plus a questionable weave for through traffic.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Tom958 on December 10, 2018, 09:13:41 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on December 10, 2018, 12:28:20 PM
How come NB I-73 gets routed through a loop ramp at the eastern I-85 interchange, in an urban area, yet FHWA is making Kentucky build high speed direct ramps for I-69 in lower volume rural areas (Example 1 (https://goo.gl/maps/nP1EtjcSSq12), Example 2 (https://goo.gl/maps/m1wsPFxvEoM2)?  SB I-73 also appears to be built to a lower standard than Kentucky was forced to use for I-69, with a one lane ramp there, plus a questionable weave for through traffic.

Good question. My guess, setting aside the obvious, is that at some point enough of I-69 will be complete that there'll be a sudden shift of long-distance traffic to the corridor, while there's no such shift in prospect for I-73 in Greensboro since most of the traffic is and will continue to be local in nature.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on December 10, 2018, 09:28:21 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on December 10, 2018, 12:28:20 PM
How come NB I-73 gets routed through a loop ramp at the eastern I-85 interchange, in an urban area, yet FHWA is making Kentucky build high speed direct ramps for I-69 in lower volume rural areas (Example 1 (https://goo.gl/maps/nP1EtjcSSq12), Example 2 (https://goo.gl/maps/m1wsPFxvEoM2)?  SB I-73 also appears to be built to a lower standard than Kentucky was forced to use for I-69, with a one lane ramp there, plus a questionable weave for through traffic.
I don't know why, I've always wondered. I think the interchange should be reconstructed as some point in the future (especially if VDOT or SCDOT build any of their parts) to have fully continuity to I-73 traffic, similar to how I-69 was done. Stay left to stay on I-73 and ramps from U.S. 220 and I-85 coming onto I-73 should come in on the right, also I-73 should have at least 2 lanes in each direction on these ramps. They did the I-73 and I-840 split okay, though there's still more continuity going southbound to Bryan Blvd rather than I-73. Both of these interchanges should've been built with full continity for I-73 (except I-73 exiting I-840 to continue north of the airport, in that case I-840 has it).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on December 10, 2018, 09:31:53 PM
Quote from: RoadPelican on December 10, 2018, 11:41:45 AM
I just drove on I-73 in Summerfield last week and the Speed Limit is 65 MPH.  I can't believe it used to be 60, that's ridiculous!!!
Oh okay. I was concerned at first it would stay at 60 MPH. It felt like doing 45 MPH traveling that speed. At least 65 gives more flexibility to do closer to 70.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on December 10, 2018, 10:35:52 PM
I think I read that 73 was originally planned to be routed up 220 to I-40 inside the loop, west on 40 to NC 68, then up 68 to where it curves away now. Presumably the current routing came late enough that the loop wasn't designed for it. That doesn't answer why AASHTO allowed it anyway, though.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 11, 2018, 02:18:55 PM
Quote from: Tom958 on December 10, 2018, 09:13:41 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on December 10, 2018, 12:28:20 PM
How come NB I-73 gets routed through a loop ramp at the eastern I-85 interchange, in an urban area, yet FHWA is making Kentucky build high speed direct ramps for I-69 in lower volume rural areas (Example 1 (https://goo.gl/maps/nP1EtjcSSq12), Example 2 (https://goo.gl/maps/m1wsPFxvEoM2)?  SB I-73 also appears to be built to a lower standard than Kentucky was forced to use for I-69, with a one lane ramp there, plus a questionable weave for through traffic.

Good question. My guess, setting aside the obvious, is that at some point enough of I-69 will be complete that there'll be a sudden shift of long-distance traffic to the corridor, while there's no such shift in prospect for I-73 in Greensboro since most of the traffic is and will continue to be local in nature.


When the Loop was proposed, the interchange was planned like this. The plan was for I-73 to follow US 220 up to I-40, and then along I-40 to NC 68 interchange (in which the interchange will have to be upgraded and was very expensive to do so), and along NC 68 to the current I-73 routing. However, NCDOT and local officials in Greensboro wanted I-73 traffic off current I-40, hence why I-73 was put on the Loop along with US 421 (It was I-40 as well).

It is what was left of the interchange after I-73 routing changes, but I am sure NCDOT plans to address it in the future. That interchange is a mess, however.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 17, 2018, 05:45:59 PM
I've added new photos of I-74 Winston-Salem Northern Beltway construction, courtesy of of J. Austin Carter (here's the future I-74 bridge over Business 40/US 421):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi74seg4jac1218e.jpg&hash=da57e2a241271ef0933d31cd9bf4ef787243da59)

To my I-74 Segment 4 website: http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on December 17, 2018, 06:43:32 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on December 17, 2018, 05:45:59 PM
I've added new photos of I-74 Winston-Salem Northern Beltway construction, courtesy of of J. Austin Carter (here's the future I-74 bridge over Business 40/US 421):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi74seg4jac1218e.jpg&hash=da57e2a241271ef0933d31cd9bf4ef787243da59)

To my I-74 Segment 4 website: http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)
When is the first segment of the beltway supposed to be open to traffic?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: mvak36 on December 18, 2018, 08:24:30 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 17, 2018, 06:43:32 PM

When is the first segment of the beltway supposed to be open to traffic?
Last I heard it was sometime in 2019. Idk if something's changed since then.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 18, 2018, 11:40:49 AM
Quote from: mvak36 on December 18, 2018, 08:24:30 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 17, 2018, 06:43:32 PM

When is the first segment of the beltway supposed to be open to traffic?
Last I heard it was sometime in 2019. Idk if something's changed since then.
A Winston-Salem Journal article from September quotes an NCDOT official saying the first section should open in December 2019.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 01, 2019, 05:13:36 PM
Looks like NCDOT quietly gave a Christmas present to fans of I-73/I-74. They have added in their December 12-month tentative letting list the remainder of the I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass project (which they refer erroneously, based on contract plans, as the US 220 Bypass) with a letting date in October 2019. This could mean that project could be completed around 2022/23.

The change document listing the addition is here: https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/12%20Month%20Tentative%20Letting%20Library/DECEMBER%202018%20CHANGES%20REPORT.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/12%20Month%20Tentative%20Letting%20Library/DECEMBER%202018%20CHANGES%20REPORT.pdf)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on January 01, 2019, 07:31:41 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 01, 2019, 05:13:36 PM
Looks like NCDOT quietly gave a Christmas present to fans of I-73/I-74. They have added in their December 12-month tentative letting list the remainder of the I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass project (which they refer erroneously, based on contract plans, as the US 220 Bypass) with a letting date in October 2019. This could mean that project could be completed around 2022/23.

The change document listing the addition is here: https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/12%20Month%20Tentative%20Letting%20Library/DECEMBER%202018%20CHANGES%20REPORT.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/12%20Month%20Tentative%20Letting%20Library/DECEMBER%202018%20CHANGES%20REPORT.pdf)
Man, they really sped this thing up. Glad to see more I-73/74 get done. I assume no more projects after this will be done on I-73 will be started until VDOT or SCDOT start their portions. I-74 on the other hand will hopefully continue to advance forward. Wasn't this project before not going to start until after 2027?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on January 01, 2019, 09:33:25 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 01, 2019, 07:31:41 PM

Man, they really sped this thing up. Glad to see more I-73/74 get done. I assume no more projects after this will be done on I-73 will be started until VDOT or SCDOT start their portions. I-74 on the other hand will hopefully continue to advance forward. Wasn't this project before not going to start until after 2027?

Yes, that's correct.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mileage Mike on January 02, 2019, 10:49:31 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 09, 2018, 01:48:35 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on December 08, 2018, 05:30:09 PM
I've posted recent photos by site contributor Strider of new signage that has gone up on I-40 in Greensboro (finally) acknowledging the existence of I-73 North and I-840 East on the Greensboro Loop, here at the exit westbound:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg5str1218f.JPG&hash=fa569b50e53da758cb0ee84763269bd468572f40)

The rest of the photos can be found on my I-73 Segment 5 page:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg5.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg5.html#photos)
Glad they finally posted the proper signage. Question, has the speed limit on the newly upgraded I-73 north of Summerfield gone up to 65-70 MPH? Last time I went through back in April, it was only 60 MPH, and I imagined it wasn't going to stay that way.

I find it funny how heading east on I-40 approaching the loop, the new overhead signs "Durham" as a control city for the southern bypass. Wasn't the whole point of routing I-40 back through Greensboro as opposed to the bypass because of shorter distance? This sign just contradicts that.

In Charlotte, Greensboro is a control city for I-85 through the city, as opposed to the bypass, I-485.

Personally, I think I-85 (just like I-40 was) should be routed back on the old routes, and the entire beltway fully signed as I-840 with a little I-73 overlap. A mainline interstate should only be routed on a beltway if there's no through-city option (like I-73), however I-85 has a through-city option. I-95 goes through Richmond, I-295 goes around, I-85 goes through Charlotte, I-485 goes around, I-85 goes through Atlanta, I-285 goes around, I-40 goes through Nashville, I-840 goes around, I-40 goes through Raleigh, I-540/NC 540 goes around, I-95 goes through Jacksonville, I-295 goes around, etc.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg5str1018b.JPG&hash=243f31b1b0e63063678c91124a462c5f0a2a20c0)

I think it might be due to NCDOT not wanting a large amount of thru traffic going through the old 40/85 interchange in the city. Before the loop was built this was a notoriously dangerous interchange and they probably feel that the loop is better equipped to handle the large amount of traffic that would otherwise be using the old 85. Whereas in Charlotte I-85 is 8-10 lanes all the way through Mecklenburg County and easily able to deal with local as well as thru traffic so they kept it routed through the city instead of using the 485 loop.  I also noticed that on I-77 the signs now encourage drivers to use 485 to bypass the city, I recall there being an electronic sign on 77 north of Charlotte showing drivers the shorter time to get to the SC border by using 485 instead of 77 through the city. While on 85 there are no signs encouraging drivers to use 485 to bypass the city.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 02, 2019, 11:32:06 AM
I have posted my annual I-73/I-74 Year in Review, along with a summary of what's been happening with NC's other new and future interstates: http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2019/01/i-73i-74-and-other-future-interstates.html (http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2019/01/i-73i-74-and-other-future-interstates.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on January 02, 2019, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: jcarte29 on January 01, 2019, 09:33:25 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 01, 2019, 07:31:41 PM

Man, they really sped this thing up. Glad to see more I-73/74 get done. I assume no more projects after this will be done on I-73 will be started until VDOT or SCDOT start their portions. I-74 on the other hand will hopefully continue to advance forward. Wasn't this project before not going to start until after 2027?

Yes, that's correct.

Our own bob7374 has this map of the bypass on his site:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73s11map.JPG&hash=0c2920158540342e2c77b390e77f00075f1fd5fe)

http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html

Is there a more detailed image out there?  I'm curious as to how they are going to convert the existing interchange at the south end of the project to a full interchange.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on January 02, 2019, 12:59:03 PM
Quote from: Cemajr on January 02, 2019, 10:49:31 AM
... I recall there being an electronic sign on 77 north of Charlotte showing drivers the shorter time to get to the SC border by using 485 instead of 77 through the city. While on 85 there are no signs encouraging drivers to use 485 to bypass the city.

Actually now there is, on I-85 S just prior to Exit 49 (Concord Mills)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on February 07, 2019, 05:54:03 PM
Two NCDOT announcements related to I-73:

First, NCDOT will be closing lanes northbound at I-40 this weekend to, hopefully, finish replacing the I-73 signage at that interchange:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-02-07-lane-closures-i-40-i-73-interchange.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-02-07-lane-closures-i-40-i-73-interchange.aspx)

Second, there will be a public meeting in Mayodan on Feb. 21 to discuss improvements to the Future I-73/US 220 and US 311/NC 135 bridge and interchange:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/public-meetings/Pages/I-5898-2019-02-21.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/public-meetings/Pages/I-5898-2019-02-21.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on February 08, 2019, 06:30:15 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 07, 2019, 05:54:03 PM
Two NCDOT announcements related to I-73:

First, NCDOT will be closing lanes northbound at I-40 this weekend to, hopefully, finish replacing the I-73 signage at that interchange:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-02-07-lane-closures-i-40-i-73-interchange.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-02-07-lane-closures-i-40-i-73-interchange.aspx)

Second, there will be a public meeting in Mayodan on Feb. 21 to discuss improvements to the Future I-73/US 220 and US 311/NC 135 bridge and interchange:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/public-meetings/Pages/I-5898-2019-02-21.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/public-meetings/Pages/I-5898-2019-02-21.aspx)
The existing narrow 2-lane overpass will be replaced with a 4-lane overpass and the ramps of the diamond interchange will be upgraded to modern standards. This is the first project announced for this northern extension of I-73.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on February 08, 2019, 06:42:41 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on February 08, 2019, 06:30:15 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 07, 2019, 05:54:03 PM
Two NCDOT announcements related to I-73:

First, NCDOT will be closing lanes northbound at I-40 this weekend to, hopefully, finish replacing the I-73 signage at that interchange:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-02-07-lane-closures-i-40-i-73-interchange.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-02-07-lane-closures-i-40-i-73-interchange.aspx)

Second, there will be a public meeting in Mayodan on Feb. 21 to discuss improvements to the Future I-73/US 220 and US 311/NC 135 bridge and interchange:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/public-meetings/Pages/I-5898-2019-02-21.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/public-meetings/Pages/I-5898-2019-02-21.aspx)
The existing narrow 2-lane overpass will be replaced with a 4-lane overpass and the ramps of the diamond interchange will be upgraded to modern standards. This is the first project announced for this northern extension of I-73.
The overpass would actually have 1 through lane in each direction, one northbound left turning lane, and 2 southbound left turning lanes.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/public-meetings/Documents/february-2019-public-meeting-map.pdf

They need to complete a project to upgrade the 12 miles on the north end to freeway. That section already is limited-access with interchanges, there's occasionally driveways though that need to have frontage roads built, the property bought out fully, or a simple close access to US 220 (has another access point on a side road).

That would likely cost around $50 - 70 million. I'd say about 1 overpass, and about 3-5 miles of frontage road. When VDOT constructs the I-73 Martinsville Southern Connector freeway, this would be a good connection to it, then in the future, NCDOT could upgrade the 5 mile non-limited-access areas to meet up with the recently completed I-73 near Stokesdale.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on February 23, 2019, 05:24:33 PM
NCDOT has announced its plan for repairing the I-73 South bridge over I-85 in Greensboro that was damaged by a truck fire in December. It will require closing I-73 South for a five weeks in March and April and detouring traffic along (NCDOT's still calling it, despite its decommissioning) Business 85 North to US 220 South:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-02-22-i-73-bridge-repair-timeline.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-02-22-i-73-bridge-repair-timeline.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on February 23, 2019, 05:27:11 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 23, 2019, 05:24:33 PM
(NCDOT's still calling it, despite its decommissioning) Business 85

I'm detecting a pattern here with old designations in NCDOT's public materials and press releases...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on February 23, 2019, 07:43:40 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 02, 2019, 11:32:06 AM
I have posted my annual I-73/I-74 Year in Review, along with a summary of what's been happening with NC's other new and future interstates: http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2019/01/i-73i-74-and-other-future-interstates.html (http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2019/01/i-73i-74-and-other-future-interstates.html)
I know I'm over a month late, but I gotta ask something about the article

It states "2019 also will see the first projects to bring parts of US 17, US 64, and US 70 (along with US 264 for I-587) up to Interstate Standards. Pavement rehabilitation projects that will widen shoulders to Interstate specifications..."

I don't think that the rehabilitation are going to necessarily widen the shoulders, simply overlay the existing lanes with new asphalt. Adding a shoulder would involve more work, and a higher price tag. Technical work underneath, grading, etc... it's not as easy as just laying pavement down on the grass and calling it a shoulder, at least to meet interstate standards it isn't. I could be wrong though... are these all projects like what's happening to US 70 outside of New Bern right now, where full shoulders are being constructed, or simple repaving of mainline lanes?

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on February 23, 2019, 08:35:17 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on February 23, 2019, 05:27:11 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 23, 2019, 05:24:33 PM
(NCDOT's still calling it, despite its decommissioning) Business 85

I'm detecting a pattern here with old designations in NCDOT's public materials and press releases...

It also doesn't help when local media and Google Maps hang onto the old designations too. For example, the newspaper in Goldsboro still often refers to US-117 between Goldsboro and Wilson as US-117 Alternate, despite the fact that "˜Alternate' was decommissioned in 2009, not long after I-795 took over the nearby freeway.

Hell, Google Maps has it labeled as both US-117 and US-117 Alternate. :banghead:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on February 23, 2019, 08:46:54 PM
Quote from: LM117 on February 23, 2019, 08:35:17 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on February 23, 2019, 05:27:11 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 23, 2019, 05:24:33 PM
(NCDOT's still calling it, despite its decommissioning) Business 85

I'm detecting a pattern here with old designations in NCDOT's public materials and press releases...

It also doesn't help when local media and Google Maps hang onto the old designations too. For example, the newspaper in Goldsboro still often refers to US-117 between Goldsboro and Wilson as US-117 Alternate, despite the fact that "˜Alternate' was decommissioned in 2009, not long after I-795 took over the nearby freeway.

Hell, Google Maps has it labeled as both US-117 and US-117 Alternate. :banghead:

Don't some locals refer to NY 7 between I-87 and Troy as Alternate 7 (or similar) for basically the same reason?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on February 23, 2019, 10:41:25 PM
It's been NY 7 as long as the freeway was open.  The name basically started as a way to differentiate the freeway portion from the rest of NY 7, based on the fact that the nearby part of NY 2 was former NY 7.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 10, 2019, 03:44:55 PM
NCDOT contractors are finally completing the new signage for now I-73/I-840 on the Greensboro Loop between I-40 and Bryan Blvd. Here's one of the latest, a replacement for the former Future South 73/West 840 reassurance marker sign heading toward I-40, courtesy of Strider:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg5str319a.JPG&hash=91319b9ecbf21b88a2a25cea14e290490cbeb68e)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on March 11, 2019, 01:08:36 PM
The Google Van took a drive on the new section of I-73, all the way to the Northern terminus at Newnam Road:

This is the End I-73 sign:

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2898734,-79.9397147,3a,75y,357.66h,82.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSLKCECKtUTY0JtEaJyN9JQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

There is no "Begin I-73" sign on the southbound lanes, but there is this mile marker:

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2895923,-79.9401792,3a,89.9y,212.37h,75.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8l2daKWL16D5V0JKfihtGg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on March 11, 2019, 05:24:42 PM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on March 11, 2019, 01:08:36 PM
The Google Van took a drive on the new section of I-73, all the way to the Northern terminus at Newnam Road:

This is the End I-73 sign:

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2898734,-79.9397147,3a,75y,357.66h,82.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSLKCECKtUTY0JtEaJyN9JQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

There is no "Begin I-73" sign on the southbound lanes, but there is this mile marker:

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2895923,-79.9401792,3a,89.9y,212.37h,75.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8l2daKWL16D5V0JKfihtGg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Some very poor imagery (blurry, dark, etc) on the upgraded U.S. 220 section, though the new location segment is nice.

I've got one question. The speed limit is still 60 MPH in the imagery for the upgraded segment. Has this been since raised to 65 MPH, or is it seriously staying 60 MPH? I drove this stretch last year, and 60 MPH is  :sleep: The flow of traffic was about 70-75 MPH, and a 65 MPH speed limit (or 70 MPH once I-73 is continuous to Virginia, oh who am I kidding  :-D) is appropriate, also the design speed accommodates it. It's a freeway, it's straight, and not to mention the new location I-73, built to same exact design, is posted at 65 MPH.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on March 11, 2019, 08:06:41 PM
Meanwhile, on the Future I-74 side of things...

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-03-11-us-74-delays-robeson-county-bridge-work.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-03-11-us-74-delays-robeson-county-bridge-work.aspx)

QuoteDrivers on U.S. 74 in Robeson County may encounter temporary roadblocks Tuesday night and Wednesday night when bridge girders are set for a new interchange.

An N.C. Department of Transportation contractor is converting the Broadridge Road intersection with U.S. 74 south of Lumberton into a grade-separated overpass with on and off ramps to improve safety and traffic flow.

The contractor needs to haul in and set a total of eight concrete-reinforced girders for the Broadridge Road bridge that will go over U.S. 74. Four will be set over the westbound lanes between 9 p.m. Tuesday and 6 the next morning. During that time, state Highway Patrol troopers will direct temporary roadblocks, lasting up to 30 minutes per girder.

The troopers and contractors will do the same procedure for the eastbound lanes on Wednesday night at the same time for the remaining four girders. There will be no detours for the roadblocks.

Work began in the fall of 2017. The new interchange is scheduled to open this fall.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on March 11, 2019, 09:25:43 PM
Quote from: LM117 on March 11, 2019, 08:06:41 PM
Meanwhile, on the Future I-74 side of things...

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-03-11-us-74-delays-robeson-county-bridge-work.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-03-11-us-74-delays-robeson-county-bridge-work.aspx)

QuoteDrivers on U.S. 74 in Robeson County may encounter temporary roadblocks Tuesday night and Wednesday night when bridge girders are set for a new interchange.

An N.C. Department of Transportation contractor is converting the Broadridge Road intersection with U.S. 74 south of Lumberton into a grade-separated overpass with on and off ramps to improve safety and traffic flow.

The contractor needs to haul in and set a total of eight concrete-reinforced girders for the Broadridge Road bridge that will go over U.S. 74. Four will be set over the westbound lanes between 9 p.m. Tuesday and 6 the next morning. During that time, state Highway Patrol troopers will direct temporary roadblocks, lasting up to 30 minutes per girder.

The troopers and contractors will do the same procedure for the eastbound lanes on Wednesday night at the same time for the remaining four girders. There will be no detours for the roadblocks.

Work began in the fall of 2017. The new interchange is scheduled to open this fall.
That stretch is looking almost complete. With interchanges / overpasses at Broadridge Rd, NC 130 / 72, Old Boardman Rd, Hallsboro Rd, Chauncey Town Rd, and Old Lake Rd either under construction or programmed in the next two or three years, it will essentially finish it. After those projects are completed, an overpass at Creek Rd and a 1 mile frontage road to serve the few driveways between NC 130 and Old Boardman Rd is all that will be needed, and I'm sure those projects will roll out in the next year or so to go along with all the other ones, if they haven't already.

Once those wrap up, and the frontage road & final overpass is constructed, 80 miles of 70 MPH freeway will exist between Laurinburg and Bolton will exist.

The only other projects remaining for I-74 after this is completing the 10 mile gap between Laurinburg and Hamlet, completing the 20 mile gap from Leland (the Wilmington area) and Bolton, then a $100+ million project (it's gonna be expensive) to refurbish all of the 100+ miles of freeway from Rockingham to Wilmington to interstate standards, widening & reconstructing shoulders on the older sections, possibly a few bridge replacements, then once that's done, I-74 will be completed in its entirety from Virginia to Wilmington.

Now to get fictional - Decommission I-74, complete the interstate upgrade to I-26 near Asheville (another $500 million or more) and give a new 2D between I-26 and Wilmington.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on March 13, 2019, 09:00:06 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-03-13-i-73-greensboro-bridge-closure.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-03-13-i-73-greensboro-bridge-closure.aspx)

QuoteAn all-lanes closure begins this weekend for a section of southbound Interstate 73 where a fuel tanker crash damaged a bridge in southwest Greensboro in December.

The bridge and span of I-73 South where it passes over I-85 are expected to close Saturday at 7 a.m. and reopen Friday, April 19.

Southbound I-73 traffic will be detoured to take Exit 97A for Business 85 North and then Exit 35A for U.S. 220 South. Drivers can also take I-40 East directly to U.S. 220 South at Exit 218A.

The closure is necessary for the contractor to safely lift the south end of the bridge to replace the bearings, remove and replace the end diaphragms and modular joint, and restore the damaged deck and concrete barrier wall.

Flatiron Constructors, contracted by the N.C. Department of Transportation, is repairing the bridge on an accelerated schedule at a cost of $3.9 million. Full project completion is anticipated by Friday, May 10. However, the repair work is weather dependent. NCDOT will provide updates on any significant events affecting traffic as the repair progresses.

Drivers should slow down near the work zone and pay close attention to signed detour instructions.

For real-time travel information, visit DriveNC.gov​ or follow NCDOT on social media.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ad516 on March 20, 2019, 09:27:05 AM
Has this been posted yet regarding the Carolina Bays Parkway? It's supposed to open in April. https://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/local/article226095790.html
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on March 20, 2019, 09:53:44 AM
Quote from: ad516 on March 20, 2019, 09:27:05 AM
Has this been posted yet regarding the Carolina Bays Parkway? It's supposed to open in April. https://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/local/article226095790.html
I think this would work better as a spur off I-73 or I-74, with I-74 going to Wilmington instead.

Quote from: sprjus4 on March 11, 2019, 09:25:43 PM
Quote from: LM117 on March 11, 2019, 08:06:41 PM
Meanwhile, on the Future I-74 side of things...

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-03-11-us-74-delays-robeson-county-bridge-work.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-03-11-us-74-delays-robeson-county-bridge-work.aspx)

QuoteDrivers on U.S. 74 in Robeson County may encounter temporary roadblocks Tuesday night and Wednesday night when bridge girders are set for a new interchange.

An N.C. Department of Transportation contractor is converting the Broadridge Road intersection with U.S. 74 south of Lumberton into a grade-separated overpass with on and off ramps to improve safety and traffic flow.

The contractor needs to haul in and set a total of eight concrete-reinforced girders for the Broadridge Road bridge that will go over U.S. 74. Four will be set over the westbound lanes between 9 p.m. Tuesday and 6 the next morning. During that time, state Highway Patrol troopers will direct temporary roadblocks, lasting up to 30 minutes per girder.

The troopers and contractors will do the same procedure for the eastbound lanes on Wednesday night at the same time for the remaining four girders. There will be no detours for the roadblocks.

Work began in the fall of 2017. The new interchange is scheduled to open this fall.
That stretch is looking almost complete. With interchanges / overpasses at Broadridge Rd, NC 130 / 72, Old Boardman Rd, Hallsboro Rd, Chauncey Town Rd, and Old Lake Rd either under construction or programmed in the next two or three years, it will essentially finish it. After those projects are completed, an overpass at Creek Rd and a 1 mile frontage road to serve the few driveways between NC 130 and Old Boardman Rd is all that will be needed, and I'm sure those projects will roll out in the next year or so to go along with all the other ones, if they haven't already.

Once those wrap up, and the frontage road & final overpass is constructed, 80 miles of 70 MPH freeway will exist between Laurinburg and Bolton will exist.

The only other projects remaining for I-74 after this is completing the 10 mile gap between Laurinburg and Hamlet, completing the 20 mile gap from Leland (the Wilmington area) and Bolton, then a $100+ million project (it's gonna be expensive) to refurbish all of the 100+ miles of freeway from Rockingham to Wilmington to interstate standards, widening & reconstructing shoulders on the older sections, possibly a few bridge replacements, then once that's done, I-74 will be completed in its entirety from Virginia to Wilmington.

Now to get fictional - Decommission I-74, complete the interstate upgrade to I-26 near Asheville (another $500 million or more) and give a new 2D between I-26 and Wilmington.
28, 32, 34, 36 and 38 are in play. Out of all the numbers, 36 seems to be the most popular choice.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on March 20, 2019, 01:32:25 PM
^^^^^^^^^
36 would seem to be the more logical choice for NCDOT, as there is no state highway with that number in the current roster.  34 would likely be the next choice, as that route is tucked away in the northeast corner of the state near Elizabeth City.  But 38 might work as well, as that MSR, shared with SC, is slated to be subsumed by the southern extension of I-73 in the future -- even though it does intersect the US 74/current I-74 corridor near Hamlet. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on April 05, 2019, 12:22:56 PM
Update on the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-04-05-winston-salem-northern-beltway.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-04-05-winston-salem-northern-beltway.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on April 05, 2019, 11:27:28 PM
Maybe it'll be finished before I'm too old to drive.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 18, 2019, 12:05:32 PM
Lane closures through next week on Business 40 (Future US 421/Salem Parkway) for paving around the Future I-74/Winston-Salem Northern Beltway interchange, which the press release says is expected by the end of the year:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-04-17-business-40-lane-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-04-17-business-40-lane-closures.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: roadman65 on April 23, 2019, 10:11:37 PM
So basically the missing links for I-74 are the US 52 freeway from Mount Airy to Greensboro?  Then the part from Candor to Rockingham as well as the part from Hamlet to Laurinburg, and east of I-95 into SC as well as upgrades to SC 22?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on April 24, 2019, 06:45:43 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 23, 2019, 10:11:37 PM
So basically the missing links for I-74 are the US 52 freeway from Mount Airy to Greensboro?  Then the part from Candor to Rockingham as well as the part from Hamlet to Laurinburg, and east of I-95 into SC as well as upgrades to SC 22?

This conflates I-73 and I-74...

For I-74 the missing parts are the US 52 freeway upgrades from Mt Airy to Winston-Salem; Winston-Salem Beltway; northwestern part of Rockingham Bypass; Hamlet to Laurinburg; upgrades to US 74 in some spots east of I-95 to NC 211; new freeway paralleling NC 211 south to US 17; new freeway to connect to SC 31
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on April 25, 2019, 12:27:17 AM
Just over a year late, Google Maps finally shows I-73 on Section 2 in NC (concurrent with US 220 north of Greensboro), albeit still not as a freeway.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: FightingIrish on April 25, 2019, 10:07:43 AM
Has North Carolina figured out what they want to do with I-74 yet? Running it straight to Wilmington makes the most sense, but I've seen weird plans where they want it to take an abrupt right turn into swampland and run it down to Myrtle Beach to intersect with I-73 once again. They should stick with the Wilmington route (along US 74, which is another story), because it's just so obvious, and run I-140 down the Carolina Bays Parkway.

Nonetheless, I think it's ridiculous for politicians to lobby for an Interstate highway when nobody knows what to do with it, or how to build it, or even if it's necessary. Interstates 3 and 14 in Georgia come to mind.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on April 25, 2019, 10:14:30 AM
Quote from: FightingIrish on April 25, 2019, 10:07:43 AM
Has North Carolina figured out what they want to do with I-74 yet? Running it straight to Wilmington makes the most sense, but I've seen weird plans where they want it to take an abrupt right turn into swampland and run it down to Myrtle Beach to intersect with I-73 once again. They should stick with the Wilmington route (along US 74, which is another story), because it's just so obvious, and run I-140 down the Carolina Bays Parkway.

Running I-74 to Myrtle Beach was mandated by Congress, in their "infinite wisdom" . :banghead:

If NC had it's way, I-74 would definitely go to Wilmington, as it should.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on April 25, 2019, 11:12:44 AM
Quote from: LM117 on April 25, 2019, 10:14:30 AM
Quote from: FightingIrish on April 25, 2019, 10:07:43 AM
Has North Carolina figured out what they want to do with I-74 yet? Running it straight to Wilmington makes the most sense, but I've seen weird plans where they want it to take an abrupt right turn into swampland and run it down to Myrtle Beach to intersect with I-73 once again. They should stick with the Wilmington route (along US 74, which is another story), because it's just so obvious, and run I-140 down the Carolina Bays Parkway.

Running I-74 to Myrtle Beach was mandated by Congress, in their "infinite wisdom" . :banghead:

If NC had it's way, I-74 would definitely go to Wilmington, as it should.

Which almost makes me wonder if NC will inexplicably lose all ambition for completing I-74 once they get it to Whiteville, except for the Carolina Bays Parkway extension (nowhere referred to as Future I-74 on their project page).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on April 25, 2019, 11:21:43 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on April 25, 2019, 11:12:44 AM
Quote from: LM117 on April 25, 2019, 10:14:30 AM
Quote from: FightingIrish on April 25, 2019, 10:07:43 AM
Has North Carolina figured out what they want to do with I-74 yet? Running it straight to Wilmington makes the most sense, but I've seen weird plans where they want it to take an abrupt right turn into swampland and run it down to Myrtle Beach to intersect with I-73 once again. They should stick with the Wilmington route (along US 74, which is another story), because it's just so obvious, and run I-140 down the Carolina Bays Parkway.

Running I-74 to Myrtle Beach was mandated by Congress, in their “infinite wisdom”. :banghead:

If NC had it’s way, I-74 would definitely go to Wilmington, as it should.

Which almost makes me wonder if NC will inexplicably lose all ambition for completing I-74 once they get it to Whiteville, except for the Carolina Bays Parkway extension (nowhere referred to as Future I-74 on their project page).
Since SC will not extend I-20 past Florence, ending I-74 in Wilmington would be the second best thing. The Carolina Bays Parkway can then become an I-x73 or I-x74 spur, but that's going fictional. It's basically a wait-and-see situation here.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on April 25, 2019, 03:50:20 PM
I think if Interstate 74 ended in Wilmington, the Carolina Bays Parkway should permanently remain State Highway 31. I see no need to change the number of the CBP, such as to a 3di Interstate designation, if this is what happens.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on April 25, 2019, 04:19:39 PM
^^^^^^^^^
My own predictions for that area are:
    (1)  I-74 will be completed east to Bolton, where the veer SE along NC 211 occurs.
    (2)  US 74/76 will be upgraded to a freeway east of Bolton to I-140; it'll get a x74 as
          a "placeholder" until the original authorizing legislation can be altered
    (3)  US 17 south to the SC state line (where it'll segue onto NC 31) will be a I-140
          extension for the interim; whether SC continues that down SC 31 is yet TBD
          (i.e., will they defy the original legislation or also request a change).  But it'll
          probably simply remain SC 31 at least until something concrete happens
          regarding I-73 along its SC 22 coexistence. 
    (4)  The "swamp thing" segment along NC 211 will be placed on indefinite hold.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on April 25, 2019, 05:34:41 PM
Quote from: sparker on April 25, 2019, 04:19:39 PM
^^^^^^^^^
My own predictions for that area are:
    (1)  I-74 will be completed east to Bolton, where the veer SE along NC 211 occurs.
    (2)  US 74/76 will be upgraded to a freeway east of Bolton to I-140; it'll get a x74 as
          a "placeholder" until the original authorizing legislation can be altered
    (3)  US 17 south to the SC state line (where it'll segue onto NC 31) will be a I-140
          extension for the interim; whether SC continues that down SC 31 is yet TBD
          (i.e., will they defy the original legislation or also request a change).  But it'll
          probably simply remain SC 31 at least until something concrete happens
          regarding I-73 along its SC 22 coexistence. 
    (4)  The "swamp thing" segment along NC 211 will be placed on indefinite hold.
I agree with all of this, although I don't see (3) (extension of I-140 to SC 31) happening anytime soon. (1) is happening now, no question. Business interests in Wilmington are already talking up the need for (2). With respect to (4), NCDOT doesn't want to build through the Green Swamp and there are legions of environmentalists ready to oppose it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on April 26, 2019, 06:23:24 PM
NCDOT has posted a timeline for repairing the I-73 southbound bridge in Greensboro that was damaged by a tanker last December.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-02-22-i-73-bridge-repair-timeline.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-02-22-i-73-bridge-repair-timeline.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 27, 2019, 10:42:15 AM
Have posted new photos of I-74/Winston-Salem Northern Beltway construction forwarded to me by J. Austin Carter, including this from the completed US 158 bridge looking east (south):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi74seg4jac419h.JPG&hash=1b18de98f762e47c9dfde4e181373e75bba64f62)

on my I-74 Segment 4 page:http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 28, 2019, 04:01:29 PM
I've added new photos taken of Broadridge Road interchange construction from US 74 East provided from timmer63:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi74seg17t1118g.jpg&hash=c2b83aa47cfbaf2cfe737a44ebc7c3817cf0edbe)

to my I-74 Segment 17 page: http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg17.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg17.html#photos)

Work is scheduled to be completed by the end of this year.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on April 28, 2019, 04:25:35 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on April 28, 2019, 04:01:29 PM
I've added new photos taken of Broadridge Road interchange construction from US 74 East provided from timmer63:

to my I-74 Segment 17 page: http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg17.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg17.html#photos)

Work is scheduled to be completed by the end of this year.
Here's a nice aerial shot of the interchange from February 2019 imagery on Google Earth.
(https://i.ibb.co/b7V7QSz/I74-Broadridge-Rd-Interchange-Aerial.png)

The N. Creek Rd intersection south of this interchange is also being converted (hopefully temporarily before eventually terminated or grade separated over I-74 / US-74) into an RCUT. Also February 2019 imagery.
(https://i.ibb.co/169Yw5c/I74-NCreek-Rd-RCUT.png)

Also, the Hallsboro Rd interchange east of this location is well underway as of February 2019.
(https://i.ibb.co/r2GbG9K/I74-Hallsboro-Rd-Interchange.png)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 28, 2019, 10:41:39 PM
Checking out NCDOT's new May 2019 to April 2020 Tentative Letting List, the dates for the 2 projects to build the I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass have been moved from October to December 2019.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 10, 2019, 05:04:54 PM
Upcoming lane closures on Business 40 related to the W-S Northern Beltway.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-05-10-business-40-lane-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-05-10-business-40-lane-closures.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 16, 2019, 09:50:45 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on October 01, 2018, 12:20:36 PM
NCDOT press release about upcoming public meeting to discuss the conversion of at-grade intersections of US 74/76 near Lake Waccamaw to an interchange and overpass. The release also includes one of the first official statements that this project is part of a plan to upgrade this section of US 74/76 to interstate standards for Future I-74:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-01-lake-waccamaw-interchange-at-US-74.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-01-lake-waccamaw-interchange-at-US-74.aspx)

Another public meeting is being held on May 30 to discuss the revised proposal for this project.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-05-16-columbus-county-open-house.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-05-16-columbus-county-open-house.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on May 16, 2019, 10:04:12 AM
Quote from: LM117 on May 16, 2019, 09:50:45 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on October 01, 2018, 12:20:36 PM
NCDOT press release about upcoming public meeting to discuss the conversion of at-grade intersections of US 74/76 near Lake Waccamaw to an interchange and overpass. The release also includes one of the first official statements that this project is part of a plan to upgrade this section of US 74/76 to interstate standards for Future I-74:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-01-lake-waccamaw-interchange-at-US-74.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-10-01-lake-waccamaw-interchange-at-US-74.aspx)

Another public meeting is being held on May 30 to discuss the revised proposal for this project.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-05-16-columbus-county-open-house.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-05-16-columbus-county-open-house.aspx)


If anyone here is able to attend this tonight, would you post the materials for it? I'd like to see the drawings. TIA!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 16, 2019, 12:37:52 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-05-16-us-220-exit-richmond-county-signage.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-05-16-us-220-exit-richmond-county-signage.aspx)

QuoteROCKINGHAM — Additional signs telling drivers to slow down as they exit onto U.S. 220 South in Richmond County are going up this week.

The N.C. Department of Transportation is installing eight signs that say all drivers on Interstate 73/74 headed toward the town of Rockingham must exit at mile marker 22 where they will continue onto U.S. 220 South. The transition from the interstate to U.S. 220 South includes a curve which has a 55 mph limit that is safe to use in normal weather conditions.

One of the new signs will caution people to slow down to 45 mph upon taking the curve.

The other signs include messages such as "All Traffic Exit"  and "Exit Only"  which will remind people they are leaving a limited-access interstate and will be traveling onto U.S. 220 which has a slower speed limit and direct side-road access that creates more congestion.

The department plans to extend the I-73/I-74 corridor from the exit to south of Rockingham. That project is scheduled to be awarded this coming October for construction.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 16, 2019, 03:44:38 PM
Quote from: LM117 on May 16, 2019, 12:37:52 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-05-16-us-220-exit-richmond-county-signage.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-05-16-us-220-exit-richmond-county-signage.aspx)

QuoteROCKINGHAM – Additional signs telling drivers to slow down as they exit onto U.S. 220 South in Richmond County are going up this week.

The N.C. Department of Transportation is installing eight signs that say all drivers on Interstate 73/74 headed toward the town of Rockingham must exit at mile marker 22 where they will continue onto U.S. 220 South. The transition from the interstate to U.S. 220 South includes a curve which has a 55 mph limit that is safe to use in normal weather conditions.

One of the new signs will caution people to slow down to 45 mph upon taking the curve.

The other signs include messages such as “All Traffic Exit” and “Exit Only” which will remind people they are leaving a limited-access interstate and will be traveling onto U.S. 220 which has a slower speed limit and direct side-road access that creates more congestion.

The department plans to extend the I-73/I-74 corridor from the exit to south of Rockingham. That project is scheduled to be awarded this coming October for construction.
Not surprisingly, there seems to be a lack of communication between the public relations people and the Highway Division. The letting for the contract to build the rest of the I-73/I-74 Bypass around Rockingham was pushed back to December in April.

Also NCDOT is to hold an open house about their preliminary designs to upgrade US 74/76 in Columbus County to Interstate Standards:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-05-16-columbus-county-open-house.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-05-16-columbus-county-open-house.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on June 14, 2019, 01:34:18 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-06-14-peace-haven-ramp-opening.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-06-14-peace-haven-ramp-opening.aspx)

QuoteWINSTON-SALEM — Drivers are urged to be prepared as a new exit loop off U.S. 421 in Forsyth County opens under a temporary configuration.

N.C. Department of Transportation contract crews will open the new loop from U.S. 421 South onto Peace Haven Road at 10 p​.m. on Friday, June 14.

People who take the new exit loop need to pay extra attention because there will be a shortened exit lane with the temporary alignment, meaning drivers will have less time to make the decision to get in position to take the exit.

With the new loop opening, the contractor can begin construction along Peace Haven Road that will allow traffic to move onto the new bridge.

This work is part of a larger project to improve the interchange in preparation for construction of the future Winston-Salem Northern Beltway interchange with U.S. 421, just west of Peace Haven Road.

Also, since it hasn't been posted here yet (surprisingly), AASHTO approved NCDOT's request to designate the western half of the beltway as Future I-274.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/v3-app_crowdc/assets/3/31/31119030d9a75754/Final_Report_to_CHS_USRN_Application_Results_Spring_2019.original.1558475352.pdf?1558475353 (https://s3.amazonaws.com/v3-app_crowdc/assets/3/31/31119030d9a75754/Final_Report_to_CHS_USRN_Application_Results_Spring_2019.original.1558475352.pdf?1558475353)

https://route.transportation.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/50/2019/06/006_USRN-Applications-Spring-Meeting_-NC-VA_Part-4.pdf (https://route.transportation.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/50/2019/06/006_USRN-Applications-Spring-Meeting_-NC-VA_Part-4.pdf)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: kendancy66 on June 15, 2019, 12:06:32 AM
Does any have any signing plans of Future I-274 that would be posted along current roads along the corridor?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 15, 2019, 11:01:49 AM
Quote from: kendancy66 on June 15, 2019, 12:06:32 AM
Does any have any signing plans of Future I-274 that would be posted along current roads along the corridor?
The current work at the Future US 52 and US 421 interchanges along with the work from US 311 to NC 65 for the Beltway are part of design-build contracts, therefore no sign plans were released publicly as part of the letting process. The RFP documents for the US 52 interchange contract did have a list of future sign location information which suggests what will be on the signs, which I have listed on my I-74 Segment 4 page. Here are excerpts:
Overhead Sign Installations, Items A — M, and the following locations, unless allowed otherwise elsewhere in this RFP:
- On US 52 southbound at the Westinghouse Road interchange — One full-span overhead sign assembly that accommodates the exit directional sign, and advance guide signs for the US 52, NC 65 and future I-274 interchanges
- At the NC 74 eastbound / US 52 southbound split — One full-span overhead sign assembly that accommodates the exit directional sign for US 52 / NC 65 and future I-274, and the pull through sign for NC 74
- On the US 52 southbound collector distributor - One full-span overhead sign assembly that accommodates the exit directional sign for NC 65, and the advance guide sign for future I-274
- At the NC 74 westbound / US 52 northbound split — One full-span overhead sign assembly that accommodates the exit directional sign for US 52 / NC 65 and future I-274, and the pull through sign for NC 74
- On US 52 northbound at the NC 65 interchange — One full-span overhead sign assembly that accommodates the exit directional sign for NC 65, pull through sign for US 52, and any lane drop signage, as necessary
- On US 52 northbound at the NC 74 interchange — One full-span overhead sign assembly
that accommodates the exit directional sign for NC 74 and future I-274, and the advance
guide sign for NC 65
- On US 52 northbound at the Hanes Mill Road interchange — One full-span overhead sign assembly that accommodates the exit directional sign for Hanes Mill Road, and the advance guide sign for NC 74 and future I-274.

Note that they refer to NC 74 implying the Beltway between Bus. 40 to US 52 will be completed before the section from former US 311 to Business 40 is finished and the entire Eastern half of the Beltway is re-signed as I-74.

Speaking of I-73/I-74, I have uploaded new photos taken by site contributor David Johnson to my I-73 Segments 1 to 4 pages. You can start at the northern end and head south at: http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg1.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg1.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on June 19, 2019, 02:57:26 PM
For I-74 being down in the south, I honestly do not like where it's at. I like this plan better of how it converts I-73 to I-79 in the future (it's not showing in this picture) when it's complete, and then I-74 to I-42 and I-28!

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffutureinterstatecorridors.com%2Fimages%2FNorth%2520Carolina%2520Future%2520Interstate%2520Corridors%2520%255B44.91%2520in%2520x%252017.93%2520in%255D%2520%282016%29.jpg&hash=b140b22d19469aeb8586886362b1e1059088426b)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on June 19, 2019, 03:47:09 PM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on June 19, 2019, 02:57:26 PM
For I-74 being down in the south, I honestly do not like where it's at. I like this plan better of how it converts I-73 to I-79 in the future (it's not showing in this picture) when it's complete, and then I-74 to I-42 and I-28!

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffutureinterstatecorridors.com%2Fimages%2FNorth%2520Carolina%2520Future%2520Interstate%2520Corridors%2520%255B44.91%2520in%2520x%252017.93%2520in%255D%2520%282016%29.jpg&hash=b140b22d19469aeb8586886362b1e1059088426b)
Generally like your ideas though I would change a couple of things. Decommission the I-74 corridor all together and don't call it I-46. Make the segment between I-73 north of Asheboro and I-77 an I-x77 or I-x73, and the make the I-26 to Wilmington corridor -one- continuous designation. The I-73/I-74 overlap that presently exists would just become I-73.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on June 19, 2019, 04:04:05 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 19, 2019, 03:47:09 PM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on June 19, 2019, 02:57:26 PM
For I-74 being down in the south, I honestly do not like where it's at. I like this plan better of how it converts I-73 to I-79 in the future (it's not showing in this picture) when it's complete, and then I-74 to I-42 and I-28!

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffutureinterstatecorridors.com%2Fimages%2FNorth%2520Carolina%2520Future%2520Interstate%2520Corridors%2520%255B44.91%2520in%2520x%252017.93%2520in%255D%2520%282016%29.jpg&hash=b140b22d19469aeb8586886362b1e1059088426b)
Generally like your ideas though I would change a couple of things. Decommission the I-74 corridor all together and don't call it I-46. Make the segment between I-73 north of Asheboro and I-77 an I-x77 or I-x73, and the make the I-26 to Wilmington corridor -one- continuous designation. The I-73/I-74 overlap that presently exists would just become I-73.

Yeah, I meant to say I-46, not I-42. I was thinking maybe the part between I-77 and I-73 would be a connector maybe I-477 or so. I-46 is kinda in a odd location. I got that link from a website.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 20, 2019, 02:45:48 AM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on June 19, 2019, 02:57:26 PM
For I-74 being down in the south, I honestly do not like where it's at. I like this plan better of how it converts I-73 to I-79 in the future (it's not showing in this picture) when it's complete, and then I-74 to I-42 and I-28!

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffutureinterstatecorridors.com%2Fimages%2FNorth%2520Carolina%2520Future%2520Interstate%2520Corridors%2520%255B44.91%2520in%2520x%252017.93%2520in%255D%2520%282016%29.jpg&hash=b140b22d19469aeb8586886362b1e1059088426b)

Please try to keep the fictional re-numberings in the 'fictional' section of the forum.  Thanks. :wave:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on June 20, 2019, 02:50:34 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on June 20, 2019, 02:45:48 AM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on June 19, 2019, 02:57:26 PM
For I-74 being down in the south, I honestly do not like where it's at. I like this plan better of how it converts I-73 to I-79 in the future (it's not showing in this picture) when it's complete, and then I-74 to I-42 and I-28!

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffutureinterstatecorridors.com%2Fimages%2FNorth%2520Carolina%2520Future%2520Interstate%2520Corridors%2520%255B44.91%2520in%2520x%252017.93%2520in%255D%2520%282016%29.jpg&hash=b140b22d19469aeb8586886362b1e1059088426b)

Please try to keep the fictional re-numberings in the 'fictional' section of the forum.  Thanks. :wave:

Ok
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 20, 2019, 06:20:04 PM
I have posted new photos on my I-73/I-74 in NC pages courtesy of J. Austin Carter, they include progress on constructing the interchange with the new US 64 Asheboro Bypass:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg8jac619bw.jpg&hash=01f35d9d11bb3445d387e40ac9c1ffc059eec15c)

with more photos found at: http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg8.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg8.html)

and photos of signage along the newest section of I-73/I-74 in Richmond County:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg11jac619cw.jpg&hash=ede0c1bc49596d0a44bd1ae8536d5e25dc1df46b)

with additional photos at: http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html)

The next segment of the Rockingham Bypass is still scheduled to be let in December with plans to be made available in 8 weeks earlier in October.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on June 20, 2019, 06:39:13 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on June 20, 2019, 06:20:04 PM
and photos of signage along the newest section of I-73/I-74 in Richmond County:

with additional photos at: http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html)
What's the speed limit on that segment now that it's completed? Has it been bumped from 55 mph to 65 mph?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on June 26, 2019, 01:54:19 AM
Speed limit has been increased from 60 mph to 65 mph on 8.4 miles of Interstate 74 in the High Point area. The speed limit is now consistent from I-40 to I-73 at 65 mph.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/36.0170809,-80.0434244/35.9394026,-79.9624317/@35.9942039,-80.0820015,28293m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!4m1!3e0!5m1!1e1

https://www.journalnow.com/news/local/speed-limit-increase-for-interstate-in-high-point/article_1633f0d1-b237-5509-a72c-b254ef6be2e4.html
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 26, 2019, 12:24:27 PM
NCDOT has awarded a contract to repave I-73/I-74 south of NC 24/27 to Candor in Montgomery County, and some additional miles in Richmond County: https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-06-25-i-73-74-montgomery-richmond-resurfacing.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-06-25-i-73-74-montgomery-richmond-resurfacing.aspx)

Notice they do not mention that any work will widen the shoulders to interstate standards. Work which NCDOT promised the FHWA they would do when the routes were first signed in 1997.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on June 26, 2019, 02:21:03 PM
Apparently this article was written in the future when I-74 was completed AND it was changed to run to Wilmington.

See the bolded sections in the article.

You Can Now Drive Faster on I-74 To Get To Wilmington (https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/traffic/you-can-now-drive-faster-on-i-74-to-get-to-wilmington/83-07ca7b4b-f704-4b60-bfc7-a76933a9d842)
QuoteThe North Carolina Department of Transportation increased speed limits along a primary route from Winston-Salem to Wilmington to standardize interstate speeds.

GREENSBORO, N.C. – Speed limits along sections of U.S. Interstate 74 have increased from 60 mph to 65 mph. The North Carolina Department of Transportation (NCDOT) road crews changed speed limit signs yesterday along stretches from Randolph County to Forsyth County, officially enacting the change.

"The purpose is to match the speed limits with the other stretches of I-74, " said, Aaron Moody, NCDOT Public Information Officer.

The process of changing the posted speeds began with a request, Moody explained.

"Consistency is really the primary reason," Moody said, "It helps drivers when they have one less thing to think about. It made sense."

I-74 in the Piedmont Triad extends from Mount Airy through High Point down to Wilmington.

The speed increase is within the road's reasonable operating speed threshold, the NCDOT said. Roads are designed with posted speed limits safely below this threshold.

"We looked into the crash data and accident reports and saw no issues with increasing the speed by five miles per hour. " Moody said.

According to the NCHRP Report 504, typically, the posted speed limit is 85 percent less than the roads design speed.  This is why you may feel comfortable driving at speeds higher than the posted limit. The 5 mph increase along sections of I-74 represents a 7-percent increase.

Funny enough, when I punch a route in Google from Winston-Salem to Wilmington, it recommends I-40 which is 3 hours 40 minutes and 232 miles. It doesn't even list I-74/US-74 as an option, though when I do a custom route, it says that route is 3 hours 35 minutes and 234 miles. I'd be willing to bet most people going from the Piedmont Triad to Wilmington take I-40, not I-74 / US-74, mostly because I-40 is all interstate with 65-70 mph and I-74 / US-74 still has a lot of arterial stretches that are only 55 - 60 mph. Also, I-40 is continous from the Piedmont Triad to Wilmington, so logically - take I-40 all the way - makes more sense then - take I-74 to I-73 to US-74 - Though once the Rockingham Bypass is completed, and the rest of US-74 is upgraded to interstate standards, that'll probably be the better route for those using a GPS (which is most people).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: RoadPelican on June 26, 2019, 04:40:47 PM
I-40 usually is the quickest way from the Piedmont Triad to Wilmington, but if you have to travel during peak AM and PM rush hours (6-9 AM or 4-7 PM) then taking I-74/US 74 would be quicker because of Raleigh/Durham traffic congestion.

Quote from: sprjus4 on June 26, 2019, 02:21:03 PM
Apparently this article was written in the future when I-74 was completed AND it was changed to run to Wilmington.

See the bolded sections in the article.

You Can Now Drive Faster on I-74 To Get To Wilmington (https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/traffic/you-can-now-drive-faster-on-i-74-to-get-to-wilmington/83-07ca7b4b-f704-4b60-bfc7-a76933a9d842)
QuoteThe North Carolina Department of Transportation increased speed limits along a primary route from Winston-Salem to Wilmington to standardize interstate speeds.

GREENSBORO, N.C. – Speed limits along sections of U.S. Interstate 74 have increased from 60 mph to 65 mph. The North Carolina Department of Transportation (NCDOT) road crews changed speed limit signs yesterday along stretches from Randolph County to Forsyth County, officially enacting the change.

"The purpose is to match the speed limits with the other stretches of I-74, " said, Aaron Moody, NCDOT Public Information Officer.

The process of changing the posted speeds began with a request, Moody explained.

"Consistency is really the primary reason," Moody said, "It helps drivers when they have one less thing to think about. It made sense."

I-74 in the Piedmont Triad extends from Mount Airy through High Point down to Wilmington.

The speed increase is within the road's reasonable operating speed threshold, the NCDOT said. Roads are designed with posted speed limits safely below this threshold.

"We looked into the crash data and accident reports and saw no issues with increasing the speed by five miles per hour. " Moody said.

According to the NCHRP Report 504, typically, the posted speed limit is 85 percent less than the roads design speed.  This is why you may feel comfortable driving at speeds higher than the posted limit. The 5 mph increase along sections of I-74 represents a 7-percent increase.

Funny enough, when I punch a route in Google from Winston-Salem to Wilmington, it recommends I-40 which is 3 hours 40 minutes and 232 miles. It doesn't even list I-74/US-74 as an option, though when I do a custom route, it says that route is 3 hours 35 minutes and 234 miles. I'd be willing to bet most people going from the Piedmont Triad to Wilmington take I-40, not I-74 / US-74, mostly because I-40 is all interstate with 65-70 mph and I-74 / US-74 still has a lot of arterial stretches that are only 55 - 60 mph. Also, I-40 is continous from the Piedmont Triad to Wilmington, so logically - take I-40 all the way - makes more sense then - take I-74 to I-73 to US-74 - Though once the Rockingham Bypass is completed, and the rest of US-74 is upgraded to interstate standards, that'll probably be the better route for those using a GPS (which is most people).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on June 26, 2019, 05:19:16 PM
Quote from: RoadPelican on June 26, 2019, 04:40:47 PM
I-40 usually is the quickest way from the Piedmont Triad to Wilmington, but if you have to travel during peak AM and PM rush hours (6-9 AM or 4-7 PM) then taking I-74/US 74 would be quicker because of Raleigh/Durham traffic congestion.

Agreed, plus NCDOT just started the I-40 widening project between I-440 and NC-42, which makes taking I-74/US-74 even more attractive.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on June 26, 2019, 05:23:17 PM
Quote from: LM117 on June 26, 2019, 05:19:16 PM
Quote from: RoadPelican on June 26, 2019, 04:40:47 PM
I-40 usually is the quickest way from the Piedmont Triad to Wilmington, but if you have to travel during peak AM and PM rush hours (6-9 AM or 4-7 PM) then taking I-74/US 74 would be quicker because of Raleigh/Durham traffic congestion.

Agreed, plus NCDOT just started the I-40 widening project between I-440 and NC-42, which makes taking I-74/US-74 even more attractive.
Probably less traffic overall on the I-74/US-74 routing. Though, if one is in a hurry and just wants to get there, hop on I-40 and set the cruise at 80 mph with no interruptions, and you're good.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on June 29, 2019, 08:32:53 AM
Looks like the stretch of what's currently I-74 between I-40 and the future W-S Northern Beltway interchange will become NC-192 after I-74 is moved onto the beltway.

https://www.journalnow.com/news/local/u-s-to-high-point-is-going-away-but-don/article_8c365cc0-b7d7-58f6-8ed5-732f633b299a.html (https://www.journalnow.com/news/local/u-s-to-high-point-is-going-away-but-don/article_8c365cc0-b7d7-58f6-8ed5-732f633b299a.html)

Though I call BS here:

Quote"We do have a statewide interest in reducing situations where there are multiple designations along a single route,"  said Aaron Moody, a public relations officer for the N.C. Department of Transportation.

Their plan to create an unnecessary I-42/US-70 overlap in Havelock says otherwise. :banghead:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on July 01, 2019, 05:44:27 AM
Quote from: LM117 on June 29, 2019, 08:32:53 AM
Looks like the stretch of what's currently I-74 between I-40 and the future W-S Northern Beltway interchange will become NC-192 after I-74 is moved onto the beltway.

https://www.journalnow.com/news/local/u-s-to-high-point-is-going-away-but-don/article_8c365cc0-b7d7-58f6-8ed5-732f633b299a.html (https://www.journalnow.com/news/local/u-s-to-high-point-is-going-away-but-don/article_8c365cc0-b7d7-58f6-8ed5-732f633b299a.html)

Though I call BS here:

Quote"We do have a statewide interest in reducing situations where there are multiple designations along a single route,"  said Aaron Moody, a public relations officer for the N.C. Department of Transportation.

Their plan to create an unnecessary I-42/US-70 overlap in Havelock says otherwise. :banghead:

The first sentence of this article infuriates me. "Sometime this fall, you won't be able to take U.S. 311 to High Point anymore." Just stop. lol They're not de-constructing the road and removing it from the map. It's simply going to be I-74's pavement (as it has been for 5 years now for those of us who follow daily.)

But that first sentence creates a false sense of hysteria, IMHO.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on July 01, 2019, 09:45:40 AM
I recently restudied all the maps for the W-S beltline, I was surprised to see that there would be full interchanges at all 3 juctions:. 40@exitsing 74, the 74 branch off to the he beltline and 40/new 74, seems like overkill.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 02, 2019, 10:57:27 PM
I've posted new photos taken by J. Austin Carter of Winston-Salem Beltway related construction along US 52 north of Winston-Salem, which includes a new exit ramp on US 52 South for NC 65 and a new NC 65 bridge:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi74seg4jac719fw.jpg&hash=65f6491bf281c4f07818a04eefaf2558c27d55ee)

The rest of the photos at: http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 15, 2019, 05:49:59 PM
In the "Oh, nevermind," category. NCDOT, which 6 months ago delayed the letting of the 2 I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass contracts from October to December 2019, has, in the August 2019-July 2020 12-month tentative letting list, now advanced the projects from December to October 15, 2019. This means once again that plans should be published 8 weeks before the letting in mid-August and construction should start before the end of the year.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 18, 2019, 06:16:43 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-07-18-i-74-overnight-detour-high-point.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-07-18-i-74-overnight-detour-high-point.aspx)

QuoteHIGH POINT — Traffic on westbound Interstate 74 will be detoured overnight​ Saturday while N.C. Department of Transportation contract crews work on an interchange improvement project.

From 10 p.m. Saturday until 9 a.m. Sunday, drivers on I-74 West will be required to take Eastchester Drive (Exit 67) to exit and return to the interstate.

The detour will enable crews to safely install new drainage pipes near the exit.

Drivers on I-74 West should slow down near the interchange, watch for signage for the temporary traffic pattern and be cautious near the work zone.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 25, 2019, 03:02:09 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-07-25-forsyth-county-bridge-work.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-07-25-forsyth-county-bridge-work.aspx)

QuoteWINSTON-SALEM — N.C. Department of Transportation contractors will be closing lanes on Interstate 40 Business to install overhead signs and conduct bridge and road work.

The inside lanes of the Business 40 will be closed in both directions between Hastings Hill Road and South Main Street​ as preparation continues for tying in a section of the future Winston-Salem Northern Beltway.

Construction will only be overnight, beginning at 8 p.m. Friday, July 26, and lasting until 11 a.m. Saturday. Work will resume at 8 p.m. Saturday and end at 11 a.m. Sunday.

Crews will repeat the same construction schedule the following weekend, Aug. 2-4.

N.C. 66, Interstate 40 and U.S. 52 can be used as alternative routes to avoid eastbound Business 40 during the closure.

Drivers should slow down and be cautious throughout the work zone and be advised that the reduction to one lane in each direction of Business 40 may cause delays.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on July 27, 2019, 03:13:32 PM
Cant wait for the eastern side to open! It would make a huge difference when theres traffic going through Winston-Salem.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on July 28, 2019, 06:23:26 PM
The first segment of the Winston-Salem beltway between Business 40 and US-158 is still on-track to open in November as NC-74.

Funny how this article still provides hope that the two I-74's are still going to be connected.

First beltway segment opens this fall (https://www.journalnow.com/gallery/news/first-beltway-segment-opens-this-fall/article_b64efb51-0e9e-54e2-9599-9f28edf9d5c5.html)
QuoteFrom Kernersville to the outskirts of Rural Hall, folks are watching N.C. 74 take shape.

N.C. 74, you say?

That's what the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway will be called, at least until sometime in 2024, when the last segment of the eastern leg of the beltway is finished.

After that, N.C. 74 becomes Interstate 74 and will form part of a future Midwest-to-Atlantic coast freeway.

"That will be the point where we get to sign that as I-74,"  said Pat Ivey, the division engineer for the N.C. Department of Transportation in Forsyth County. "You will be able to go all the way from (the existing) I-74 to U.S. 52."

A lot of people have been waiting a long time for the beltway. And not just motorists: Hundreds of landowners in the path of the project are finally getting bought out, after many of them filed suit earlier in the decade.

"The (transportation) department and the owners have been able to negotiate settlements acceptable to both sides,"  landowners attorney Matthew Bryant said.

Bryant represented hundreds of clients who won a victory in 2016 at the N.C. Supreme Court, which declared that landowners had lost property rights by being designated in the path of the roadway.

Big road

The beltway will be a 35-mile freeway running some three-quarters of the way around Winston-Salem, from I-74 on the southeast side, north to U.S. 52 near Rural Hall, and back south to U.S. 158 near Clemmons.

The freeway will have three lanes in each direction on the eastern side, and two in each direction on the west.

Motorists have been watching the first segment of the beltway under construction between Business 40 and Reidsville Road since 2014, when the $154 million contract was awarded to Dragados USA Inc.

Ivey said people will be able to start driving on the 3.4-mile segment in November, although he doesn't expect many drivers to use the road until the next segment opens between Reidsville and New Walkertown roads.

Scheduled for completion in June of 2021, that segment could open as early as the end of 2020, Ivey said. E.S. Wagner Co. LLC is handling that $33 million part of the beltway.

"That contractor is way ahead of schedule,"  Ivey said, "In fact, right now the project is about 43% complete. All the major bridges, with the exception of the one right off 158, they're done. That is actually the smallest of all the beltway projects."

When the beltway is open between New Walkertown Road and Business 40, Ivey expects truck traffic especially to begin moving over to the new road.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on July 28, 2019, 06:27:56 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 28, 2019, 06:23:26 PM
The first segment of the Winston-Salem beltway between Business 40 and US-158 is still on-track to open in November as NC-74.

Funny how this article still provides hope that the two I-74's are still going to be connected.

First beltway segment opens this fall (https://www.journalnow.com/gallery/news/first-beltway-segment-opens-this-fall/article_b64efb51-0e9e-54e2-9599-9f28edf9d5c5.html)
QuoteFrom Kernersville to the outskirts of Rural Hall, folks are watching N.C. 74 take shape.

N.C. 74, you say?

That's what the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway will be called, at least until sometime in 2024, when the last segment of the eastern leg of the beltway is finished.

After that, N.C. 74 becomes Interstate 74 and will form part of a future Midwest-to-Atlantic coast freeway.

"That will be the point where we get to sign that as I-74,"  said Pat Ivey, the division engineer for the N.C. Department of Transportation in Forsyth County. "You will be able to go all the way from (the existing) I-74 to U.S. 52."

A lot of people have been waiting a long time for the beltway. And not just motorists: Hundreds of landowners in the path of the project are finally getting bought out, after many of them filed suit earlier in the decade.

"The (transportation) department and the owners have been able to negotiate settlements acceptable to both sides,"  landowners attorney Matthew Bryant said.

Bryant represented hundreds of clients who won a victory in 2016 at the N.C. Supreme Court, which declared that landowners had lost property rights by being designated in the path of the roadway.

Big road

The beltway will be a 35-mile freeway running some three-quarters of the way around Winston-Salem, from I-74 on the southeast side, north to U.S. 52 near Rural Hall, and back south to U.S. 158 near Clemmons.

The freeway will have three lanes in each direction on the eastern side, and two in each direction on the west.

Motorists have been watching the first segment of the beltway under construction between Business 40 and Reidsville Road since 2014, when the $154 million contract was awarded to Dragados USA Inc.

Ivey said people will be able to start driving on the 3.4-mile segment in November, although he doesn't expect many drivers to use the road until the next segment opens between Reidsville and New Walkertown roads.

Scheduled for completion in June of 2021, that segment could open as early as the end of 2020, Ivey said. E.S. Wagner Co. LLC is handling that $33 million part of the beltway.

"That contractor is way ahead of schedule,"  Ivey said, "In fact, right now the project is about 43% complete. All the major bridges, with the exception of the one right off 158, they're done. That is actually the smallest of all the beltway projects."

When the beltway is open between New Walkertown Road and Business 40, Ivey expects truck traffic especially to begin moving over to the new road.

That's some exciting news! And yeah. Do you think I-74 will be connected? It is funny that that article proves that both I-74s will be connected.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on July 28, 2019, 06:32:43 PM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 28, 2019, 06:27:56 PM
Do you think I-74 will be connected?
The corridor authorized in 1991 states it will be connected, but realistically, it's never going to happen.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on July 28, 2019, 07:25:48 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 28, 2019, 06:32:43 PM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 28, 2019, 06:27:56 PM
Do you think I-74 will be connected?
The corridor authorized in 1991 states it will be connected, but realistically, it's never going to happen.

That's good. I-74 connection doesn't need to happen. It's the worst interstate numbered in North Carolina.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on July 29, 2019, 04:12:19 AM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 28, 2019, 07:25:48 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 28, 2019, 06:32:43 PM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 28, 2019, 06:27:56 PM
Do you think I-74 will be connected?
The corridor authorized in 1991 states it will be connected, but realistically, it's never going to happen.

That's good. I-74 connection doesn't need to happen. It's the worst interstate numbered in North Carolina.

It's likely all the disparate I-74 sections, appropriateness of number notwithstanding, within NC itself will be connected within 15 years or so.  Now -- connection to the section of I-74 extending west from Cincinnati, OH -- that's more of a "when pigs fly" scenario.  Cooperation from VA, WV, and OH (or maybe even KY) would be a prerequisite for such a project -- and it's been made clear from OH that they don't intend to cooperate; WV, after striking out with their plan to tie together mined-out coal operations, hasn't seen fit to prioritize the "King Coal" corridor concept, now 28 years old, especially with the downturn in coal-related revenue  (and the substance's increasingly dismal reputation).  And unless WV does something on their end, VA's not going to gratuitously erect I-74 shields along their segment of I-77.  So WB I-74 will simply peter out at the NC/VA state line. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on July 29, 2019, 05:57:14 AM
Quote from: sparker on July 29, 2019, 04:12:19 AM
So WB I-74 will simply peter out at the NC/VA state line.

Which is why NCDOT really needs to unsign I-74 along I-77 and put up proper END signs there, even if it officially extends to the state line as far as NCDOT and FHWA records indicate.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Verlanka on July 29, 2019, 06:04:26 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on July 29, 2019, 05:57:14 AM
Quote from: sparker on July 29, 2019, 04:12:19 AM
So WB I-74 will simply peter out at the NC/VA state line.

Which is why NCDOT really needs to unsign I-74 along I-77 and put up proper END signs there, even if it officially extends to the state line as far as NCDOT and FHWA records indicate.
I thought I-74 was going to be extended. Or is that not happening anytime soon?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on July 29, 2019, 12:59:12 PM
Quote from: Verlanka on July 29, 2019, 06:04:26 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on July 29, 2019, 05:57:14 AM
Quote from: sparker on July 29, 2019, 04:12:19 AM
So WB I-74 will simply peter out at the NC/VA state line.

Which is why NCDOT really needs to unsign I-74 along I-77 and put up proper END signs there, even if it officially extends to the state line as far as NCDOT and FHWA records indicate.
I thought I-74 was going to be extended. Or is that not happening anytime soon?
Despite legislation saying otherwise, all I-74 plans outside of the Carolinas are basically dead.  Same for I-73 north of Virginia.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on August 13, 2019, 04:28:21 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-08-13-lane-closure-business-40-kernersville.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-08-13-lane-closure-business-40-kernersville.aspx)

QuoteKERNERSVILLE — N.C. Department of Transportation contractors need to close a lane of Business 40 overnight on the west side of Kernersville to safely remove and replace guardrail.

The outside lane of westbound Business 40 will be closed at the South Main Street interchange, exit 14, from 8 tonight until 6 a.m. Wednesday.

The work is part of ongoing preparation to tie the eastern side of the future Winston-Salem Northern Beltway with Business 40 near Hastings Hill Road.

People wishing to avoid Business 40 West during the closure can use N.C. 66, Interstate 40 and U.S. 52 as alternative routes.

Drivers who take Business 40 West should slow down near Kernersville and anticipate the possibility of delays as traffic passes through the work zone.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on August 17, 2019, 07:47:34 PM
Some bad news from the recently released "Final Draft" 2020-2029 STIP. While still officially, funded, due to right of way purchases due to start in 2027, the start date for upgrading US 74 to Interstate standards between NC 41 in Lumberton and US 76 west of Whiteville has been pushed back from 2029 to 'post years' aka after 2029. The dates of the intersection upgrade projects, however, along that section have not changed with the upgrade of the NC 130/72 intersections to start in 2023.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on August 19, 2019, 03:09:14 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on August 17, 2019, 07:47:34 PM
Some bad news from the recently released "Final Draft" 2020-2029 STIP. While still officially, funded, due to right of way purchases due to start in 2027, the start date for upgrading US 74 to Interstate standards between NC 41 in Lumberton and US 76 west of Whiteville has been pushed back from 2029 to 'post years' aka after 2029. The dates of the intersection upgrade projects, however, along that section have not changed with the upgrade of the NC 130/72 intersections to start in 2023.
Maybe it's not too important to upgrade that section yet. But I don't know why they push back projects. They should speed up stuff and get stuff done quicker! A freeway from Charlotte to Wilmington is ultimately needed.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on August 19, 2019, 04:02:51 PM
A number of delayed projects should be scoring way higher than the west half of the W-S Beltline. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on August 21, 2019, 01:05:20 PM
NCDOT has released the plans for the I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass project to be let in October. Sign plans reveal the following:
I-73 South will end at the US 74 Bypass, for now. Plans for Future I-73 overlays on the overhead and reassurance marker signs are included, but apparently NCDOT does not want to extend I-73 any further until SCDOT builds its section.
Related, new exit signs for the US 74 Bypass are included as part of the project, but they will retain the US 74 mileage based numbers. Overlay tab plans for I-73 exit numbers are included, but for only the exits that are west of US 1. Curiously, the number for the NC 381 exit, which is after I-73 would leave, also retains its US 74 number.
Sign plans for the pull throughs at the US 220 exit at the northern end of the Bypass have been changed from those released for the first segment of the Bypass. The control cities were to be Wilmington and Myrtle Beach in the original plans, but this now has been changed to Lumberton.
It appears US 220 may not have a future, or at least downgraded in importance. With the I-73/I-74 Bypass built, trailblazer sign for To US 220 along I-74/US 74 prior to and at the US 1 exit ramps will be removed.

Here are a couple examples of the sign plan images:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg11i74us74eastsignplan1.jpg&hash=4ece1aa06c34a05f73a222cdca123386492fd541)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi73seg11us74westsignplan1.jpg&hash=a3dbe27682a3391748e87a91befc045efafc5077)

The 3 sign plan files can be found through the links here:
https://xfer.services.ncdot.gov/dsplan/2019%20Highway%20Letting/10-15-19/Plans%20and%20Proposals/R-3421A_B%20Richmond_Montgomery_34446.3.4_C204181/ (https://xfer.services.ncdot.gov/dsplan/2019%20Highway%20Letting/10-15-19/Plans%20and%20Proposals/R-3421A_B%20Richmond_Montgomery_34446.3.4_C204181/)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on August 21, 2019, 06:20:35 PM
Something interesting relating to the specific design of the highway is that a 70 foot median will be used as opposed to the standard 46 foot median... NCDOT used 60-70 foot medians in the 80s, 90s, and early 00s, but then switched to 46 foot on most projects in the past 10 years.

A 70 mph speed limit will be posted on the new freeway, however it will drop to 65 mph after tying back into the 2017-completed portion on the northern end.

The design of the US-74 / US-74 Business / I-73 / I-74 interchange is interesting, and is done properly IMO. It provides free-flowing movements to all facilities, maintains continuity for I-73 / I-74 (something that is lacking on other parts of I-73 - I'm looking at you Greensboro), and the movement between US-74 East to I-73 / I-74 East and vice versa is designed as a major junction, with a two-lane flyover utilized at the split.

(https://i.ibb.co/pzXbVmv/US74-I74-I73-Junction.png)

Overall, a well designed proposal IMO, and will be looking forward to watching its progress over the next few years and seeing it completed.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on August 21, 2019, 07:36:23 PM
Nice to finally see the proposed design for that interchange. I could never find any preliminary designs that weren't just a line on the map pointing at the existing trumpet.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on August 26, 2019, 07:06:39 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-08-26-business-40-lane-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-08-26-business-40-lane-closures.aspx)

QuoteWINSTON-SALEM — Lanes of Interstate 40 Business will be reduced at varying times this week in eastern Forsyth County as work continues on the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway​ project.

The closures begin on the eastbound side, where contract crews will remove portable concrete barrier wall.

The inside lane of Business 40 East will close from 8 p.m. on Monday until 6 a.m. Tuesday. The outside lane will then close during the same hours from Tuesday night to Wednesday morning.

The closures will shift Wednesday evening to the westbound side, allowing the contractor to safely complete work on bridges spanning over the interstate.

The contractor will close the inside lane of Business 40 West from 8 p.m. Wednesday until 6 a.m. Thursday, and follow the same schedule for the outside lane closure from Thursday evening to Friday morning.

Drivers who want to avoid Business 40 during the closures this week can use N.C. 66, Interstate 40 and U.S. 52 as alternative routes.

Those who do use Business 40 should slow down, be mindful of the work crews and anticipate the possibility of delays as traffic passes through the work zone.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on August 26, 2019, 07:52:19 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 21, 2019, 06:20:35 PM
Something interesting relating to the specific design of the highway is that a 70 foot median will be used as opposed to the standard 46 foot median... NCDOT used 60-70 foot medians in the 80s, 90s, and early 00s, but then switched to 46 foot on most projects in the past 10 years.


Bring back the 70 foot medians! They are the best!!! I think 46 are a little too small.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on August 26, 2019, 09:23:06 PM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on August 26, 2019, 07:52:19 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 21, 2019, 06:20:35 PM
Something interesting relating to the specific design of the highway is that a 70 foot median will be used as opposed to the standard 46 foot median... NCDOT used 60-70 foot medians in the 80s, 90s, and early 00s, but then switched to 46 foot on most projects in the past 10 years.


Bring back the 70 foot medians! They are the best!!! I think 46 are a little too small.
The feasibility study for I-87 recommended using 70 ft medians on the new location segments. The upgraded segments would only be 46 ft, but still plenty wide. That's due to having to have frontage roads within the right of way as well.

It'd be neat to see 70 ft medians used more often.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on September 10, 2019, 05:50:01 PM
More upcoming lane closures on Business 40 due to the W-S Northern Beltway construction.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-09-10-business-40-forsyth-lane-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-09-10-business-40-forsyth-lane-closures.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on September 10, 2019, 11:16:01 PM
Quote from: LM117 on September 10, 2019, 05:50:01 PM
More upcoming lane closures on Business 40 due to the W-S Northern Beltway construction.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-09-10-business-40-forsyth-lane-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-09-10-business-40-forsyth-lane-closures.aspx)
Would cause headaches..... I had a similar problem with the I-85 rebuild project where it would narrow down to one lane. I hate when those happen.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on September 24, 2019, 12:20:03 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-09-24-forsyth-business-40-west-lane-closure.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-09-24-forsyth-business-40-west-lane-closure.aspx)

QuoteWINSTON-SALEM — One lane of westbound Business 40 in Forsyth County is set to close overnight.​​

The closure will be in place between the exits for South Main Street in Kernersville and Linville Road in Winston-Salem from 8 p.m. Tuesday until 6 a.m. Wednesday. Closing the lane will enable contract crews to safely complete work on bridges spanning over the highway and overhead signs.

This work is part of the project to tie Business 40 into the future Winston-Salem Northern Beltway.

Drivers can use N.C. 66, Interstate 40 and U.S. 52 as alternative routes to avoid Business 40 while the lane closure is in place.

Those who travel through this work zone should slow down, be mindful of the work crews and anticipate the possibility of delays.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on September 24, 2019, 06:23:16 PM
Quote from: LM117 on September 24, 2019, 12:20:03 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-09-24-forsyth-business-40-west-lane-closure.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-09-24-forsyth-business-40-west-lane-closure.aspx)

QuoteWINSTON-SALEM — One lane of westbound Business 40 in Forsyth County is set to close overnight.​​

The closure will be in place between the exits for South Main Street in Kernersville and Linville Road in Winston-Salem from 8 p.m. Tuesday until 6 a.m. Wednesday. Closing the lane will enable contract crews to safely complete work on bridges spanning over the highway and overhead signs.

This work is part of the project to tie Business 40 into the future Winston-Salem Northern Beltway.

Drivers can use N.C. 66, Interstate 40 and U.S. 52 as alternative routes to avoid Business 40 while the lane closure is in place.

Those who travel through this work zone should slow down, be mindful of the work crews and anticipate the possibility of delays.
It seems odd that NCDOT always describes this road as Business 40 when that designation is slated to be retired when the project is complete. Wouldn't it be better to get everyone accustomed to calling the route US 421?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 24, 2019, 06:30:23 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on September 24, 2019, 06:23:16 PM
Quote from: LM117 on September 24, 2019, 12:20:03 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-09-24-forsyth-business-40-west-lane-closure.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-09-24-forsyth-business-40-west-lane-closure.aspx)

QuoteWINSTON-SALEM — One lane of westbound Business 40 in Forsyth County is set to close overnight.​​

The closure will be in place between the exits for South Main Street in Kernersville and Linville Road in Winston-Salem from 8 p.m. Tuesday until 6 a.m. Wednesday. Closing the lane will enable contract crews to safely complete work on bridges spanning over the highway and overhead signs.

This work is part of the project to tie Business 40 into the future Winston-Salem Northern Beltway.

Drivers can use N.C. 66, Interstate 40 and U.S. 52 as alternative routes to avoid Business 40 while the lane closure is in place.

Those who travel through this work zone should slow down, be mindful of the work crews and anticipate the possibility of delays.
It seems odd that NCDOT always describes this road as Business 40 when that designation is slated to be retired when the project is complete. Wouldn't it be better to get everyone accustomed to calling the route US 421?
You would think so, but NCDOT is slow even notifying other departments within the agency of route changes. It took the press office about 6 months or so after I-87 was signed along US 64/264 to start using that designation and not I-495. I am assuming at least that long after the Business 40 signs are removed for them to start using the US 421 designation only.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on October 03, 2019, 05:23:33 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-03-i-73-40-85-ramp-greensboro-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-03-i-73-40-85-ramp-greensboro-closures.aspx)

QuoteGREENSBORO — Closures are planned for two locations along I-73 in Guilford County this weekend.

The I-73 South bridge over I-40 is set to close from 11 p.m. Friday until 7 a.m. Saturday and again from 11 p.m. Saturday until 8 a.m. Sunday while crews repair concrete pavement. A signed detour will be in place directing traffic to take I-40 West to Gallimore Dairy Road and then I-40 East back to I-73 South.

Crews also plan to close the I-85 North ramp to I-73 North from 12-8 a.m. Sunday to replace damaged concrete pavement slabs. The detour for that closure will follow I-85 North, South Elm-Eugene Street and I-85 South to return to I-73 North.

Drivers should slow down and be mindful of the crews working in these locations and plan ahead for slightly longer travel times because of the detours.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on October 07, 2019, 11:56:14 AM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-07-columbus-county-bridge-girders-us-74.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-07-columbus-county-bridge-girders-us-74.aspx)

QuoteWHITEVILLE — Traffic on U.S. 74/76 will be temporarily stopped this afternoon and tomorrow to allow an N.C. Department of Transportation contractor to safely set bridge girders for the Hallsboro Road interchange.

Law enforcement will assist in stopping traffic on the westbound side between 1 and 5 p.m. today and for the eastbound side during the same time on Tuesday. Traffic will be stopped for up to 30 minutes for each of the four girders that will be set up on each day.

NCDOT is upgrading the Hallsboro Road intersection east of Whiteville with an interchange that will include ramps and an overpass. The $9.4 million contract was awarded in 2018. The interchange will open by next summer.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on October 16, 2019, 04:39:13 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-16-business-40-lane-closure-forsyth.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-16-business-40-lane-closure-forsyth.aspx)

QuoteWINSTON-SALEM — A lane of Business 40 in eastern Forsyth County is set to close overnight while contract crews prepare the road for upcoming paving.

One lane will close on the eastbound side near Hastings Hill Road, where work is underway to tie Business 40 into the future Winston-Salem Northern Beltway. The closure is scheduled from 8 p.m. Wednesday until 6 a.m. Thursday.

Drivers should slow down and be mindful of the work crews in this area. They may also use N.C. 66, Interstate 40 and U.S. 52 as alternative routes​ to avoid Business 40 while the closure is in place.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on October 16, 2019, 05:42:44 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-16-peace-haven-us-421-ramp-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-16-peace-haven-us-421-ramp-closures.aspx)

QuoteWINSTON-SALEM — Overnight exit closures are planned as work continues on the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway project​.

The U.S. 421 South exit loop to Peace Haven Road is set to close from 11 p.m. Wednesday until 5 a.m. Thursday to finish outside widening work now that the old bridge has been demolished. Drivers should take the following exit at Jonestown Road and then U.S. 421 North to access Peace Haven Road during the closure.

From 10 p.m. Thursday until 5 a.m. Friday, the ramp from Peace Haven road onto U.S. 421 South is scheduled to close to tie in paving there. Drivers can take U.S. 421 North to Lewisville-Clemmons Road to get to U.S. 421 North.

Drivers should be cautious near the work zone and plan for extra travel time because of the detours.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 16, 2019, 06:13:29 PM
Well, at least they're slowly attempting to wean the public off the Business 40 designation. The first of today's 2 press releases uses Business 40, and east/west but the second uses US 421 and uses north/south. Wonder if they were written by the same person?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 18, 2019, 11:36:52 AM
NCDOT awarded the I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass contract yesterday (10/17) to the firm of Vecellio & Grogan, Inc. of Beckley, WV with a bid of $146,176,682.77.
The award letter: https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Central%20Letting/10-15-2019%20Central%20Letting/C204368%20Richmond%20Awd%20Lter.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Central%20Letting/10-15-2019%20Central%20Letting/C204368%20Richmond%20Awd%20Lter.pdf)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on October 18, 2019, 01:30:29 PM
When will 73/74 connection with the US 74 (existing/future Interstate 74) Rockingham Bypass be completed? Maybe afterwards, they can start planning to design and construct the portion of Interstate 73 from the two 74s south to the North Carolina/South Carolina border.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: mvak36 on October 18, 2019, 02:19:00 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 18, 2019, 01:30:29 PM
When will 73/74 connection with the US 74 (existing/future Interstate 74) Rockingham Bypass be completed? Maybe afterwards, they can start planning to design and construct the portion of Interstate 73 from the two 74s south to the North Carolina/South Carolina border.

According to the Project Proposal (https://xfer.services.ncdot.gov/dsplan/2019%20Highway%20Letting/10-15-19/Plans%20and%20Proposals/R-3421A_B%20Richmond_Montgomery_34446.3.4_C204368/Project%20Proposal.pdf), it is April 29, 2024.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on October 18, 2019, 04:27:22 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/public-meetings/Pages/W-5706S-2019-10-09.aspx

why isn't this going to be a freeway?

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F59pUkL6.png&hash=7167fdb7f7e9ae25fe0a18be8315b00078d8befd)

And that shows a perfect example why they want I-74 going to Myrtle Beach and not Wilmington. Saying you want to upgrade all of US 74/76 to a freeway and yet they don't want to. And they want a Charlotte-to-Wilmington interstate!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on October 18, 2019, 06:06:26 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 18, 2019, 01:30:29 PM
When will 73/74 connection with the US 74 (existing/future Interstate 74) Rockingham Bypass be completed? Maybe afterwards, they can start planning to design and construct the portion of Interstate 73 from the two 74s south to the North Carolina/South Carolina border.
Zero chance of any construction on the link to SC until SC is ready to build their end, and unless you're a teenager I wouldn't count on that happening in your lifetime.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Bobby5280 on October 19, 2019, 12:38:18 AM
I've always thought I-20 should be extended farther East to Wilmington. I'm pleased to see the idea show up on a long term planning map. To me that's a bigger deal than extending I-74 toward Wilmington, but bending it down in a strange angled path to the Myrtle Beach area.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on October 19, 2019, 06:41:22 AM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on October 19, 2019, 12:38:18 AM
I've always thought I-20 should be extended farther East to Wilmington. I'm pleased to see the idea show up on a long term planning map. To me that's a bigger deal than extending I-74 toward Wilmington, but bending it down in a strange angled path to the Myrtle Beach area.

The I-20 extension was a proposal by then-Gov. Mike Easley back in the early 2000's, but SC basically told him to pound sand and the idea was dropped. Not sure why NCDOT is still showing the 2004 map.

The I-74 routing to Myrtle Beach never made sense to me because nobody in their right mind from Rockingham and points west (or north) would follow I-74's crooked routing to Myrtle Beach. They would drop down I-73. Same for those coming from I-95.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: RoadPelican on October 19, 2019, 09:46:15 AM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on October 18, 2019, 04:27:22 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/public-meetings/Pages/W-5706S-2019-10-09.aspx

why isn't this going to be a freeway?

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F59pUkL6.png&hash=7167fdb7f7e9ae25fe0a18be8315b00078d8befd)

And that shows a perfect example why they want I-74 going to Myrtle Beach and not Wilmington. Saying you want to upgrade all of US 74/76 to a freeway and yet they don't want to. And they want a Charlotte-to-Wilmington interstate!

US 74/76 is going to be a freeway all the way to Wilmington, but not for at least 20-30 yrs, for right now and for the next 10 yrs, the priorities for that corridor is to upgrade the non freeway segment from Whiteville to Bolton and the short non-freeway segment just west of Boardman in Robeson.  Also, further west in Marshville (part) of that bypass is on the 10 yr STIP. 

The area of US 74/76 that is in this Public Meeting notice is for a 45 MPH urban section near the Columbus/Brunswick County line.  This is set to be upgraded to a Superstreet.  Lots of people are moving to this area so this is a short term need.   When US 74/76 gets a freeway in this area it will have to be on a new alignment.  The NCDOT has already spent millions of dollars just finishing the I-140 bypass of Wilmington, and getting ready to widen NC 87 to Elizabethtown in this area.

So US 74/76 is way down the list of priorities for this particular area.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on October 19, 2019, 11:59:37 AM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on October 19, 2019, 12:38:18 AM
I've always thought I-20 should be extended farther East to Wilmington. I'm pleased to see the idea show up on a long term planning map. To me that's a bigger deal than extending I-74 toward Wilmington, but bending it down in a strange angled path to the Myrtle Beach area.

Notice that the map is dated 15 years ago.  I-20 along US 76 from Florence to Wilmington was proposed by NC back then, but SC nixed the idea in favor of retaining the I-73 & I-74 "dual pincer" approach to Myrtle Beach, which itself was 9 years old by that time (the Interstate status of HPC #5 being conferred as part of the NHS act of '95).   For some odd reason (likely local politics) Wilmington was completely left out of that corridor's plans although it was only a few miles distant; instead Myrtle got both corridor segments directed toward itself (didn't know T-shirt vendors had that much pull!).   Of course when push came to shove, SC just didn't have the $$$ to even expand the concept beyond SC 22 & SC 31.  And for still another conundrum, NCDOT is planning the non-HPC section of US 74/76 east of Bolton as some sort of "superstreet" rather than a continuation of the freeway advancement seen further west under the I-74 aegis.   Seems like once corridor plans pass into SC -- or NC east of I-95 -- some sort of lunacy sets in -- "come with me, my child, to the magic land of Myrtle, where all your cares will be behind you!" -- but without actual passage to the place.   Perhaps back 20-some-odd years ago the powers that be within the SC tourist trap arena decided that Wilmington was a potential rival and that keeping their corridor away from there was at least as important as actually directing that corridor to themselves (i.e., they elected to play defense!). 

Now -- anyone who's read my posts should by now know I've concluded that politics and commercial interests are the principal drivers of new Interstate corridor development -- and that in reality the best anyone can do is to try to make a decent pitcher of lemonade out of the lemons being offered.   But the Carolina Coast situation is beyond the pale -- featuring the most ludicrous route alignment (I-74 over NC 211, aka the Swamp Thing) out there (makes I-14 look like a stroke of genius in comparison).  And NCDOT has promoted their "superstreet" upgrade of the current divided US 74/76 (given the current NC penchant for new I-corridors, upgrading the last few miles into Wilmington would seem to be a slam dunk; this last proposal is something of a "curveball").  Likely their planners are running into suburban sprawl west of Wilmington and are choosing to put their current funds into dealing with local needs and simply delaying the through route until a later time. 

What it'll probably take to rationalize the situation is the final piece of the Carolina coastal puzzle -- a N-S Interstate from south of Myrtle north generally following US 17 to the I-87 alignment at or near Williamston.  Essentially this "ties up" the current bundle of loose ends by providing a way to efficiently disperse the traffic from inland points.  It's increasingly evident NCDOT has come to this conclusion as well -- but with so many other projects on their plate has chosen to handle this as a series of spot improvements -- with full "hey, here's a new corridor" treatment only when others ahead in the queue are in the rear view mirror (and the state gets lucky with a natural-disaster-free extended period).  Of course, SC is the wild card here -- it's unclear if they, as a comparatively "low-tax" state, will ever have enough funds to complete even their portions of I-73/74.  The upshot when considering the region as a whole is that every few years a different set of plans and priorities seems to emerge, driven by forces and parties that weren't in the picture when the original 73/74 plans were first presented (such as the groups in SC trying to stop the I-73 corridor).  The final chapters of this saga have yet to be written -- or probably even conceived.  Stay tuned!               

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on October 19, 2019, 12:11:36 PM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on October 19, 2019, 12:38:18 AM
I've always thought I-20 should be extended farther East to Wilmington. I'm pleased to see the idea show up on a long term planning map. To me that's a bigger deal than extending I-74 toward Wilmington, but bending it down in a strange angled path to the Myrtle Beach area.
It would be a pointless extension IMO, the current I-20 -> I-95 -> I-74 routing is adequate, especially once upgraded to full freeway.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Bobby5280 on October 19, 2019, 09:40:44 PM
Quote from: LM117The I-20 extension was a proposal by then-Gov. Mike Easley back in the early 2000's, but SC basically told him to pound sand and the idea was dropped. Not sure why NCDOT is still showing the 2004 map.

These are supposed to be Interstate highways, right? Part of a national highway network, yes? I-20 isn't solely owned by South Carolina. Wilmington is a pretty significant coastal port. It would only make sense in the nation-wide, big picture perspective to improve the transportation hub there. I-20 would increase its effectiveness as a major East-West highway if it ended at a coastal port.

If SC wants to play games stone-walling an extension of I-20, I'm sure NC could return the favor by doing as little as it wants building I-73 and I-74 toward the SC border. Honestly, given the lack of involvement from the feds, NC could upgrade US-74/76 completely to Interstate quality between Wilmington and Lumberton and do nothing with the spur off toward the Myrtle Beach area. It's not like a lot of vehicles are even going to use that route.

Quote from: sprjus4It would be a pointless extension IMO, the current I-20 -> I-95 -> I-74 routing is adequate, especially once upgraded to full freeway.

Driving from Florence up to Lumberton and then back down to the Whiteville area is an angle that would add at least 20 miles to the drive versus more of a straight shot along/near the US-76 corridor from Florence.

I think extending I-20 to Wilmington makes more sense than building two redundant Interstates (I-73 and I-74) into the Myrtle Beach area -especially with how stupidly crooked the routes are turning out to be. Ugh!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on October 19, 2019, 10:26:43 PM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on October 19, 2019, 09:40:44 PM
Driving from Florence up to Lumberton and then back down to the Whiteville area is an angle that would add at least 20 miles to the drive versus more of a straight shot along/near the US-76 corridor from Florence.
Per Google Maps between I-20 west of I-95 and US-74 east of the US-76 junction.
I-20 -> I-95 -> I-74 ----- 1h 7m, 80 miles
US-76 ----- 1h 30m, 70 miles

If an interstate highway were to built along the US-76 corridor and have no overlap with I-95, you would have to construct a ~10-15 mile northern or southern bypass of Florence, then between North & South Carolina upgrade & built on new location about 60 miles of interstate roadway. With nearby cost estimates for I-73, you could assume about $2 to $3 billion total, with most of the cost being felt by South Carolina.

All of that to simply shave 10 miles off an existing interstate highway (once work along US-74 is completed by NCDOT) routing. It's a pointless project.

The I-95 routing may look circuitous on a map, but it's really not, and is far more efficient & faster than US-76, and an I-20 extension would not make much of a difference, except $2 - $3 billion down the drain.

Quote from: Bobby5280 on October 19, 2019, 09:40:44 PM
I think extending I-20 to Wilmington makes more sense than building two redundant Interstates (I-73 and I-74) into the Myrtle Beach area -especially with how stupidly crooked the routes are turning out to be. Ugh!
The proposed I-74 freeway through the Green Swamp is just about as pointless as extending I-20 is.

The only projects I see as necessary are -
1) I-73 between Rockingham and Myrtle Beach
2) Carolina Bays Pkwy between Myrtle Beach and Wilmington
3) Widening I-95 to 6 lanes

The others are redundant and pointless IMO when existing freeways already handle the traffic (in the case of the I-20 extension), or two-lane roads are completely adequate to handle the 2,000 AADT that travel between Bolton and Shallote (in the case of the I-74 Green Swamp freeway).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on October 20, 2019, 10:16:19 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^
Within that particular region; there's a couple of additional projects I'd classify as necessary in the not-too-distant timeframe:

(1) I-74 extension eastward from Whiteville to at least I-140 near Wilmington, bypassing the "superstreet".
(2) Interstate-grade upgrade of US 17 north from Wilmington via Jacksonville & New Bern to I-87 at Williamston.
     Presently being done piecemeal; this would arguably do more for the commercial/developmental viability of the
     region than simply a series of "spokes" extending out from inland (I's 40,42,87).  The long-sought "coastal"
     Interstate, this would be further enhanced by (2A) a SC connection from the south end of SC 31 west to I-95 near
     Manning; incidentally, "pre-authorized" as an addition to the HPC #5 language.   But considering SC's seemingly
     perpetual fiscal shortfalls, the latter may not be viable in the near term.   
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on October 24, 2019, 05:15:59 PM
A lane on Business 40 will close for several weeks due to the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway project.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-24-business-40-lane-closure-kernersville.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-24-business-40-lane-closure-kernersville.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on October 24, 2019, 10:13:12 PM
I wish google maps updated more frequently, so many nc project images that are over a year old.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 05, 2019, 05:45:28 PM
NCDOT awards contract for I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass. Work can start the last week of November. Completion expected in 2023:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-11-06-ncdot-awards-rockingham-bypass-contract.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-11-06-ncdot-awards-rockingham-bypass-contract.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on November 08, 2019, 01:14:04 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-11-08-overnight-ramp-closures-us-421-peace-haven.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-11-08-overnight-ramp-closures-us-421-peace-haven.aspx)

QuoteWINSTON-SALEM — A ramp onto U.S. 421 in western Forsyth County is set to close overnight several times next week as part of ongoing work on the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway project​.

N.C. Department of Transportation contract crews plan to close the ramp from Peace Haven Road onto southbound U.S. 421 at 10 each night from Nov. 10-12 and reopen the ramp by 6 a.m. the following day. All work is weather dependent.

As a detour, drivers can take U.S. 421 North to Exit 242 (Lewisvillle-Clemmons Road), or Country Club Road to Jonestown Road to access U.S. 421 South.

Drivers are urged to use caution when near the work zone. They should also anticipate needing extra time for traveling through the area because of the detour.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sturmde on November 08, 2019, 02:40:02 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 05, 2019, 05:45:28 PM
NCDOT awards contract for I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass. Work can start the last week of November. Completion expected in 2023:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-11-06-ncdot-awards-rockingham-bypass-contract.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-11-06-ncdot-awards-rockingham-bypass-contract.aspx)

That's great news.  Getting this segment done a.s.a.p. will finally make this a viable route to I-95 from Winston-Salem/Greensboro areas, without trudging through Rockingham.  Weird though how NC is going to end I-73 temporarily at the intersection with US 74, rather than having it run to the NC 38 intersection (or even at least US 1).  I guess only it's to minimize the shifting exit numbers from Charlotte to Wilmington, where you'll see US 74's exits, then originally I-73's exits, then I-74's exits, then back to US 74's.  This way, it's only one shift.  Frankly, they should just renumber all the exits north up to the 73/74 split to use I-74 mile markers. 

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on November 08, 2019, 04:33:04 PM
Quote from: sturmde on November 08, 2019, 02:40:02 PM
Frankly, they should just renumber all the exits north up to the 73/74 split to use I-74 mile markers.
Disagree. I'd say I-73 is the dominant route, and honestly I-74's designation needs to vanish in NC. IMO, the segment between I-73 and I-77 can become an I-x73 or I-x77, the overlap will become solely I-73, and the segment between Rockingham and Bolton / Wilmington can become apart of an Asheville - Wilmington interstate, I-3x.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Bobby5280 on November 08, 2019, 06:41:53 PM
Agreed on the I-74 part. There is next to no chance in the foreseeable future that I-74 in North Carolina would ever connect to the original I-74 in Cincinnati. While the Interstate highway system has several route numbers that are duplicated in separate parts of the country, the duplicate routes usually fit into the numbering grid to some degree. I-74 in North Carolina doesn't do that at all. It would make more sense numbered with a designation like I-36 or I-38.

It's good news that the segment of I-74 in Rockingham will be finished in the next couple or so years. Still, the path I-74 is taking around Rockingham seems odd. The bypass would have been considerably shorter if it had been able to run along the East sides of Hamlet, Dobbins Heights and Rockingham. Was such a path ever considered? One obvious obstacle for an East loop: the huge CSX rail yard outside Dobbins Heights.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on November 08, 2019, 06:45:42 PM
Since its very unlikely they will change either the 73 or 74 designations, I would say, at the very least, get rid of the US 220 designation. Retract it to the present northern terminus of Interstate 73. Keeping the 220 co-designation with 73 and 74 is overkill.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on November 08, 2019, 06:53:11 PM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on November 08, 2019, 06:41:53 PM
Still, the path I-74 is taking around Rockingham seems odd. The bypass would have been considerably shorter if it had been able to run along the East sides of Hamlet, Dobbins Heights and Rockingham. Was such a path ever considered? One obvious obstacle for an East loop: the huge CSX rail yard outside Dobbins Heights.
Two things that make the current alignment more attractive -
1) It accommodates I-73 eventually going southwards around the NC-38 area.
2) The current project is about 5 miles of 4-lane freeway construction to tie I-73 / I-74 with the existing interstate-standard Rockingham Bypass built 20 years ago.
3) Minimal right of way impacts

An eastern alignment would -
1) Not accommodate I-73's future southern connection once / if SCDOT ever starts.
2) Require at least 13 miles of 4-lane freeway construction, adding more construction costs.
3) Have significantly more right of way impacts, especially if staying closer in. You could also go further out, but then you add more mileage.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 13, 2019, 11:55:08 PM
In a busy NC Roads news day, more good news. According to timmer63, a frequent visitor to my I-73/I-74 site, the Broadridge Road exit (Exit 219) on US 74 (Future I-74) in Robeson County is now open. This adds about 2 miles more to the 70 MPH future interstate freeway south/east of NC 41 in Lumberton leaving now about a 5 mile gap in the freeway between Lumberton and US 76 near Whiteville. The next upgrade project to create an interchange for Old Boardman Road is due to start in 2021. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on December 02, 2019, 01:20:48 PM
Two things to note regarding the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway:

The US-52/NC-66 connector near Rural Hall will close permanently on December 9.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-12-02-us-52-nc-66-forsyth-connector-closing.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-12-02-us-52-nc-66-forsyth-connector-closing.aspx)

And there are upcoming overnight closures on US-52.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-12-02-overnight-us-52-forsyth-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-12-02-overnight-us-52-forsyth-closures.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on December 02, 2019, 01:39:18 PM
Quote from: LM117 on December 02, 2019, 01:20:48 PM
The US-52/NC-66 connector near Rural Hall will close permanently on December 9.

I suppose this raises the philosophical question of whether the new beltway section is truly a new road or just an upgrade of the connector with its original designation deleted. :spin:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on December 02, 2019, 05:05:30 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 02, 2019, 01:39:18 PM
Quote from: LM117 on December 02, 2019, 01:20:48 PM
The US-52/NC-66 connector near Rural Hall will close permanently on December 9.

I suppose this raises the philosophical question of whether the new beltway section is truly a new road or just an upgrade of the connector with its original designation deleted. :spin:
Similar situation in Greensboro where about a mile of 2-lane Cotswold Ave was permanently closed between Old Battleground Rd and Lawndale Dr and converted into the mainline of Greensboro Urban Loop, opening next month.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1382847,-79.8369681,3732m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e1
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on December 02, 2019, 05:29:06 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 02, 2019, 05:05:30 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 02, 2019, 01:39:18 PM
Quote from: LM117 on December 02, 2019, 01:20:48 PM
The US-52/NC-66 connector near Rural Hall will close permanently on December 9.

I suppose this raises the philosophical question of whether the new beltway section is truly a new road or just an upgrade of the connector with its original designation deleted. :spin:
Similar situation in Greensboro where about a mile of 2-lane Cotswold Ave was permanently closed between Old Battleground Rd and Lawndale Dr and converted into the mainline of Greensboro Urban Loop, opening next month.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1382847,-79.8369681,3732m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e1

Did Cotswold Avenue actually follow exactly the median line of the planned expressway? The 52/66 connector is, I believe, being directly widened and reconstructed to become one of the carriageways of the Northern Beltway (I forget which).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on December 02, 2019, 05:34:56 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 02, 2019, 05:29:06 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 02, 2019, 05:05:30 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 02, 2019, 01:39:18 PM
Quote from: LM117 on December 02, 2019, 01:20:48 PM
The US-52/NC-66 connector near Rural Hall will close permanently on December 9.

I suppose this raises the philosophical question of whether the new beltway section is truly a new road or just an upgrade of the connector with its original designation deleted. :spin:
Similar situation in Greensboro where about a mile of 2-lane Cotswold Ave was permanently closed between Old Battleground Rd and Lawndale Dr and converted into the mainline of Greensboro Urban Loop, opening next month.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1382847,-79.8369681,3732m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e1

Did Cotswold Avenue actually follow exactly the median line of the planned expressway? The 52/66 connector is, I believe, being directly widened and reconstructed to become one of the carriageways of the Northern Beltway (I forget which).
The eastbound carriageway will follow roughly half of the old road, and the westbound carriageway will roughly follow the other half.

The old road had a weird twist in the middle, whereas the beltway is straight.

Overall in this case, they completely demolished Cotswold Ave, and simply utilized its right of way, plus acquiring homes directly backing it to fit the entire 250-300 ft corridor.

Right now, with the main connection gone, traffic is largely having to divert to local streets, but once the beltway opens at the end of the year to Lawndale Ave, the connection will be re-opened, and improved from a 2-lane 45 mph arterial to a 6-lane 65 mph freeway, but only accessible from Battleground Ave main at the interchange, not Old Battleground Ave.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on December 05, 2019, 03:34:42 PM
Upcoming lane closures on Business 40 related to the W-S Northern Beltway.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-12-05-business-40-beltway-lane-closures-forsyth-county.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-12-05-business-40-beltway-lane-closures-forsyth-county.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on December 06, 2019, 09:35:05 PM
Interestingly, I just noticed by chance in Street View that I-74's mile markers (no shields, just plain numbers) continue on US 74/76 past Bolton to the Columbus/Brunswick county line, well past where the "swamp thing" alignment diverges just west of the NC 211 interchange, numbered Exit 258 despite being east of where all the study concepts left the existing road. I wonder if anyone else has noticed this yet, but it definitely doesn't seem to indicate that NCDOT is too keen on actually building I-74 through the swamp.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 06, 2019, 11:52:58 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 06, 2019, 09:35:05 PM
Interestingly, I just noticed by chance in Street View that I-74's mile markers (no shields, just plain numbers) continue on US 74/76 past Bolton to the Columbus/Brunswick county line, well past where the "swamp thing" alignment diverges just west of the NC 211 interchange, numbered Exit 258 despite being east of where all the study concepts left the existing road. I wonder if anyone else has noticed this yet, but it definitely doesn't seem to indicate that NCDOT is too keen on actually building I-74 through the swamp.
Yes, I found it interesting that when the mile markers were put up in 2012 they went as far east as mile 270 in Delco, far beyond NC 211. They actually put up a gore sign with the number 270 for the NC 87 North 'exit' on US 74/76 West around that time. This is to be (or has been) taken down as part of a reconstruction project for the US 74/76 and NC 87 North intersection. Whether this is a sign that I-74 will eventually go to Wilmington, or just the result of an overeager contractor is a good question.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on December 07, 2019, 12:20:38 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on December 06, 2019, 11:52:58 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 06, 2019, 09:35:05 PM
Interestingly, I just noticed by chance in Street View that I-74's mile markers (no shields, just plain numbers) continue on US 74/76 past Bolton to the Columbus/Brunswick county line, well past where the "swamp thing" alignment diverges just west of the NC 211 interchange, numbered Exit 258 despite being east of where all the study concepts left the existing road. I wonder if anyone else has noticed this yet, but it definitely doesn't seem to indicate that NCDOT is too keen on actually building I-74 through the swamp.
Whether this is a sign that I-74 will eventually go to Wilmington, or just the result of an overeager contractor is a good question.
I don't think so because there is not a free-flowing interchange unless they want to relocate the freeway south.

http://prntscr.com/q7lmm2

If I-74 wants to come to Wilmington, I think there needs to be a new freeway like this.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on December 07, 2019, 01:42:06 PM
Also, a question on the future US 52/Winston-Salem Northern Beltway interchange north of the city. I saw two preliminary designs for it: one dated 2015 featuring six-lane continuity for I-74, with US 52 into the city being a two-lane exit, and another one with no date on it (but the PDFs uploaded to the project site in 2016) with six-lane continuity for US 52 and having I-74 exit onto two-lane flyovers which merge into the center of the beltway, only giving I-74 continuity leaving the beltway.

Is it known which of these is the later design and actually being constructed? Someone mapped the interchange on OSM as under construction with the 2015 design, though this article (https://www.journalnow.com/news/local/work-starts-next-year-on-beltway-interchange-with-u-s/article_a1e43e50-a9fe-5e42-b08f-e672232c79b3.html) includes a map of the undated design featuring US 52 continuity.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on December 07, 2019, 01:59:27 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 07, 2019, 01:42:06 PM
Also, a question on the future US 52/Winston-Salem Northern Beltway interchange north of the city. I saw two preliminary designs for it: one dated 2015 featuring six-lane continuity for I-74, with US 52 into the city being a two-lane exit, and another one with no date on it (but the PDFs uploaded to the project site in 2016) with six-lane continuity for US 52 and having I-74 exit onto two-lane flyovers which merge into the center of the beltway, only giving I-74 continuity leaving the beltway.

Is it known which of these is the later design and actually being constructed? Someone mapped the interchange on OSM as under construction with the 2015 design, though this article (https://www.journalnow.com/news/local/work-starts-next-year-on-beltway-interchange-with-u-s/article_a1e43e50-a9fe-5e42-b08f-e672232c79b3.html) includes a map of the undated design featuring US 52 continuity.
I had wondered the same thing... I guess time will tell. I'm hoping it was ultimately designed for I-74 continuity as that would make the most sense. Or maybe it'll just become another Greensboro.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on December 07, 2019, 02:27:26 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 07, 2019, 01:59:27 PM
Or maybe it'll just become another Greensboro.

They build the whole beltway with continuity for I-74 and then decide two weeks later to reroute I-74 through the city, leaving a three-lane eastbound left exit onto the beltway? :spin:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: mvak36 on December 07, 2019, 03:55:19 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 07, 2019, 01:59:27 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 07, 2019, 01:42:06 PM
Also, a question on the future US 52/Winston-Salem Northern Beltway interchange north of the city. I saw two preliminary designs for it: one dated 2015 featuring six-lane continuity for I-74, with US 52 into the city being a two-lane exit, and another one with no date on it (but the PDFs uploaded to the project site in 2016) with six-lane continuity for US 52 and having I-74 exit onto two-lane flyovers which merge into the center of the beltway, only giving I-74 continuity leaving the beltway.

Is it known which of these is the later design and actually being constructed? Someone mapped the interchange on OSM as under construction with the 2015 design, though this article (https://www.journalnow.com/news/local/work-starts-next-year-on-beltway-interchange-with-u-s/article_a1e43e50-a9fe-5e42-b08f-e672232c79b3.html) includes a map of the undated design featuring US 52 continuity.
I had wondered the same thing... I guess time will tell. I'm hoping it was ultimately designed for I-74 continuity as that would make the most sense. Or maybe it'll just become another Greensboro.

I found the Letting (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Design-Build-Letting-Details.aspx?let_id=R-2247EB) page for that project.

Under Supporting Documents, I found this pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Design%20Build%20Program/R-2247EB/R2247EBEC_rdy_phm_roll2_reduced.pdf). It looks like 74 will be the through route.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on December 07, 2019, 04:05:11 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on December 07, 2019, 03:55:19 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 07, 2019, 01:59:27 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 07, 2019, 01:42:06 PM
Also, a question on the future US 52/Winston-Salem Northern Beltway interchange north of the city. I saw two preliminary designs for it: one dated 2015 featuring six-lane continuity for I-74, with US 52 into the city being a two-lane exit, and another one with no date on it (but the PDFs uploaded to the project site in 2016) with six-lane continuity for US 52 and having I-74 exit onto two-lane flyovers which merge into the center of the beltway, only giving I-74 continuity leaving the beltway.

Is it known which of these is the later design and actually being constructed? Someone mapped the interchange on OSM as under construction with the 2015 design, though this article (https://www.journalnow.com/news/local/work-starts-next-year-on-beltway-interchange-with-u-s/article_a1e43e50-a9fe-5e42-b08f-e672232c79b3.html) includes a map of the undated design featuring US 52 continuity.
I had wondered the same thing... I guess time will tell. I'm hoping it was ultimately designed for I-74 continuity as that would make the most sense. Or maybe it'll just become another Greensboro.

I found the Letting (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Design-Build-Letting-Details.aspx?let_id=R-2247EB) page for that project.

Under Supporting Documents, I found this pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Design%20Build%20Program/R-2247EB/R2247EBEC_rdy_phm_roll2_reduced.pdf). It looks like 74 will be the through route.
Apparently NCDOT thinks I-73 is coming up this way.

Under the typical section, it says "WINSTON-SALEM - NORTHERN BELTWAY AND I-73/74"

Interesting also how that is a public meeting map from 2015, when in 2016 they showed a new design with continuity for US-52. Maybe someone with sanity say hey, let's not do that.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: mvak36 on December 07, 2019, 04:28:05 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 07, 2019, 04:05:11 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on December 07, 2019, 03:55:19 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 07, 2019, 01:59:27 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 07, 2019, 01:42:06 PM
Also, a question on the future US 52/Winston-Salem Northern Beltway interchange north of the city. I saw two preliminary designs for it: one dated 2015 featuring six-lane continuity for I-74, with US 52 into the city being a two-lane exit, and another one with no date on it (but the PDFs uploaded to the project site in 2016) with six-lane continuity for US 52 and having I-74 exit onto two-lane flyovers which merge into the center of the beltway, only giving I-74 continuity leaving the beltway.

Is it known which of these is the later design and actually being constructed? Someone mapped the interchange on OSM as under construction with the 2015 design, though this article (https://www.journalnow.com/news/local/work-starts-next-year-on-beltway-interchange-with-u-s/article_a1e43e50-a9fe-5e42-b08f-e672232c79b3.html) includes a map of the undated design featuring US 52 continuity.
I had wondered the same thing... I guess time will tell. I'm hoping it was ultimately designed for I-74 continuity as that would make the most sense. Or maybe it'll just become another Greensboro.

I found the Letting (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Design-Build-Letting-Details.aspx?let_id=R-2247EB) page for that project.

Under Supporting Documents, I found this pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Design%20Build%20Program/R-2247EB/R2247EBEC_rdy_phm_roll2_reduced.pdf). It looks like 74 will be the through route.
Apparently NCDOT thinks I-73 is coming up this way.

Under the typical section, it says "WINSTON-SALEM - NORTHERN BELTWAY AND I-73/74"

Interesting also how that is a public meeting map from 2015, when in 2016 they showed a new design with continuity for US-52. Maybe someone with sanity say hey, let's not do that.

Now that you mention it, I'm not sure if that's the final design or not. I didn't realize that the plan was from 2015. I was just posting the link to what they had under Supporting Documents.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on December 07, 2019, 06:25:13 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 07, 2019, 02:27:26 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 07, 2019, 01:59:27 PM
Or maybe it'll just become another Greensboro.

They build the whole beltway with continuity for I-74 and then decide two weeks later to reroute I-74 through the city, leaving a three-lane eastbound left exit onto the beltway? :spin:
No chance I-74 will be routed through downtown. NCDOT has permission to sign US 52 between I-74 and I-40 as I-285, so technically the exit is really a fork of two interstates.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on December 07, 2019, 09:05:29 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on December 07, 2019, 03:55:19 PM
I found the Letting (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Design-Build-Letting-Details.aspx?let_id=R-2247EB) page for that project.

Under Supporting Documents, I found this pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Design%20Build%20Program/R-2247EB/R2247EBEC_rdy_phm_roll2_reduced.pdf). It looks like 74 will be the through route.

As you later said that you noticed, this is the version from 2015 that I mentioned. This may well be the design settled on if it was on the letting page as well and not the undated design favoring 52 (it's a design-build contract, so what's there isn't the final design like the ones here (https://xfer.services.ncdot.gov/dsplan/)).

Quote from: sprjus4 on December 07, 2019, 04:05:11 PM
Apparently NCDOT thinks I-73 is coming up this way.

Under the typical section, it says "WINSTON-SALEM - NORTHERN BELTWAY AND I-73/74"

Interesting also how that is a public meeting map from 2015, when in 2016 they showed a new design with continuity for US-52. Maybe someone with sanity say hey, let's not do that.

I recall reading that the I-73 corridor was originally planned to stay concurrent with I-74 all the way into West Virginia before being pulled away to go to Greensboro, Roanoke, and Blacksburg, though I don't know if I-74 was planned to use the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway yet at that point. With how long it takes for everyone at NCDOT to notice route changes in publications, perhaps this is just an old holdover that stuck around in just this one spot.

The project website indicated the other design without a date on it as being posted to the site in 2016, but I wasn't sure if that was when those plans first appeared. If it was, then it's likely what's being built. I'm trying to get a hold of the final plans using a public records request, which I've already successfully done for the Greenville Southwest Bypass project, but they haven't gotten back to me yet. I would think it's all available since I've been under the impression that the entire eastern loop north of the soon-to-be-former Business 40 is now in various stages of construction.

Quote from: wdcrft63 on December 07, 2019, 06:25:13 PM
No chance I-74 will be routed through downtown. NCDOT has permission to sign US 52 between I-74 and I-40 as I-285, so technically the exit is really a fork of two interstates.

I was joking about how quickly and frequently the routes around the south side of Greensboro changed, with the two splits between I-40 and the loop clearly designed to carry I-40 onto the loop. I think I-74 was originally intended to run through the city on Business 40 and US 52, but I'm well aware that this hasn't been the case for a while.

Also, it's only approved as Future I-285, as is Future I-274. I don't know if they'd need to get it reapproved to actually be signed as the final Interstate once it's upgraded or if they can just do it right away then.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 08, 2019, 11:43:07 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 07, 2019, 09:05:29 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on December 07, 2019, 03:55:19 PM
I found the Letting (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Design-Build-Letting-Details.aspx?let_id=R-2247EB) page for that project.

Under Supporting Documents, I found this pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Design%20Build%20Program/R-2247EB/R2247EBEC_rdy_phm_roll2_reduced.pdf). It looks like 74 will be the through route.

As you later said that you noticed, this is the version from 2015 that I mentioned. This may well be the design settled on if it was on the letting page as well and not the undated design favoring 52 (it's a design-build contract, so what's there isn't the final design like the ones here (https://xfer.services.ncdot.gov/dsplan/)).

Quote from: sprjus4 on December 07, 2019, 04:05:11 PM
Apparently NCDOT thinks I-73 is coming up this way.

Under the typical section, it says "WINSTON-SALEM - NORTHERN BELTWAY AND I-73/74"

Interesting also how that is a public meeting map from 2015, when in 2016 they showed a new design with continuity for US-52. Maybe someone with sanity say hey, let's not do that.

I recall reading that the I-73 corridor was originally planned to stay concurrent with I-74 all the way into West Virginia before being pulled away to go to Greensboro, Roanoke, and Blacksburg, though I don't know if I-74 was planned to use the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway yet at that point. With how long it takes for everyone at NCDOT to notice route changes in publications, perhaps this is just an old holdover that stuck around in just this one spot.

Quote from: wdcrft63 on December 07, 2019, 06:25:13 PM
No chance I-74 will be routed through downtown. NCDOT has permission to sign US 52 between I-74 and I-40 as I-285, so technically the exit is really a fork of two interstates.

I was joking about how quickly and frequently the routes around the south side of Greensboro changed, with the two splits between I-40 and the loop clearly designed to carry I-40 onto the loop. I think I-74 was originally intended to run through the city on Business 40 and US 52, but I'm well aware that this hasn't been the case for a while.

Also, it's only approved as Future I-285, as is Future I-274. I don't know if they'd need to get it reapproved to actually be signed as the final Interstate once it's upgraded or if they can just do it right away then.
They would have to have FHWA confirm that the new road is up to interstate standards before it could be signed and also send another application to AASHTO with the FHWA confirmation.

I-74 was always to be routed around downtown Winston-Salem. When NCDOT applied for original I-73 and I-74 signage in 1997 they asked AASHTO to approve that US 52 be signed as I-74 from Mount Airy to where the Beltway would split off and US 52 south of that point to I-40 be signed as 'Temporary I-74.' AASHTO disapproved of the I-74 signing because the FHWA said US 52 was too substandard a roadway and rejected the temporary label because they no longer issued that designation. They suggested NCDOT could sign US 52 as 'To I-74' instead. Apparently NCDOT wasn't interested in putting up To I-74 shields all the way along US 52, so it just got a few 'Future I-74 Corridor' signs. I suspect NCDOT will ask once again that US 52 get designated I-74 after the Beltway is finished. Several projects over the past 20 years have improved some of the interchanges and bridges and shoulders, at least for much of the Forsyth County portion, now meet or are close to interstate standards. They should at least change the exit numbers to match I-74's at that time.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on December 09, 2019, 06:58:52 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on December 08, 2019, 11:43:07 PM
I-74 was always to be routed around downtown Winston-Salem.

So was the originally planned extension of what's now I-74 from the stub at I-40 north to Business 40 just supposed to be US 311? I always figured that was part of the originally planned I-74 routing before they changed it.

Come to think of it, I know that project was downgraded to just a surface parkway at some point, but is that still active or has everyone just kinda forgotten about it? It seems to have met the same fate as the short NC 147 extension to McCrimmon Parkway of being occasionally mentioned as a future proposal but never actually getting done.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on December 09, 2019, 01:57:23 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 09, 2019, 06:58:52 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on December 08, 2019, 11:43:07 PM
I-74 was always to be routed around downtown Winston-Salem.

So was the originally planned extension of what's now I-74 from the stub at I-40 north to Business 40 just supposed to be US 311? I always figured that was part of the originally planned I-74 routing before they changed it.

Come to think of it, I know that project was downgraded to just a surface parkway at some point, but is that still active or has everyone just kinda forgotten about it? It seems to have met the same fate as the short NC 147 extension to McCrimmon Parkway of being occasionally mentioned as a future proposal but never actually getting done.
http://prntscr.com/q8gm8l

I'm sure you're talking about this. And it looks like that plan is off the table atm.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on December 16, 2019, 11:01:41 PM
Overnight ramp closures on US-52 in Winston-Salem this week due to the Northern Beltway project.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-12-16-us-52-overnight-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-12-16-us-52-overnight-closures.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on December 20, 2019, 12:14:45 PM
I finally heard back with the signing plans for U-2579DEF (unfortunately just the middle section, not the interchange with 52), and found some notable things:

(https://i.imgur.com/NrGO4Za.png)
Westbound approaching NC 66: mention of a future sign for the US 52 interchange, notably featuring shields for both I-274 and I-285. This is obviously only going to be the final configuration of the sign, since I imagine the western loop would be finished (at least in part) before US 52 is upgraded to Interstate standards through downtown Winston-Salem. Interestingly the only control city here is Winston-Salem for I-285/US 52 southbound, with I-274 not getting one of its own, at least not at this early point. You can also see that I-274 is being signed east-west despite running north-south, because NCDOT.

(https://i.imgur.com/fGdR94J.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/hCfPM56.png)
The eastbound signs approaching the US 311 interchange are designed for an overlay of the word NORTH next to the US 311 shields. Westbound, where signs will already have been put up without such accommodation, an overlay will be placed over the entire shield. Additionally, the trailblazers for southbound 311 on the off-ramps feature notes for future removal. No future END marker is indicated southbound on 311, but it seems that NCDOT plans to truncate 311 again, this time to the Northern Beltway, likely after the entire eastern section is completed.

Aside from these, the rest of the plans are fairly standard. The whole section will of course be signed NC 74 for now, and the section stops at NC 66.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on December 20, 2019, 04:24:03 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 20, 2019, 12:14:45 PM
not the interchange with 52
I contacted them last week in regards to that through NCDOT's Public Records Request system, and was told that the signage plans are currently not available. They were not posted in their usual spot on https://xfer.services.ncdot.gov/dsplan/ either, so I don't know.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on December 20, 2019, 08:16:04 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 20, 2019, 04:24:03 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 20, 2019, 12:14:45 PM
not the interchange with 52
I contacted them last week in regards to that through NCDOT's Public Records Request system, and was told that the signage plans are currently not available. They were not posted in their usual spot on https://xfer.services.ncdot.gov/dsplan/ either, so I don't know.

That's because it was a design-build contract, and plans for those aren't posted there like normal contracts when they go out to bid because final design is done after bidding. I could've sworn that R-2247EB (the 52 interchange) had started construction, but apparently only R-2247EC has started, which is the US 52/NC 65 interchange seen as under construction in the latest Google imagery. It was definitely let, though, so I'll check back in a few months when I'm sure that construction has started.

U-2579D/E/F (the middle section from NC 66 to US 311, let as one combined contract) was also a design-build, but construction is well underway, so the plans were available when I asked. I also sent the plans to Bob Malme at his request, so you'll see more of them on his site soon.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on December 26, 2019, 03:19:32 PM
Does anyone have a recent picture of I-74 (Winston-Salem Northern Beltway)? I'm very curious to see the signage from I-74 east to I-40 BUS East. I wonder if it would say Kenersville / Greensboro, Raleigh, or just Kenersville. Also I find it interesting that the part from I-40 BUS to I-74 (The northern beltway south end) would only be 4 lanes.

Also, when looking at these interchanges,

https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/wsnb/Documents/eastern-section-5.pdf

https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/wsnb/Documents/eastern-section-6-map-1.pdf

I'm surprised that I-40 BUS East and I-40 East both have a flyover from I-74 East. Probably because it's to get people to use the little bypass of Kenersville so they are trying to get more people to use I-40 East and not I-40 BUS east.

So in that case, The flyover would probably right now say Kenersville, Greensboro, Raleigh, and in the future when the southern part to I-74 opens, that sign would be changed to just say Kenersville.

I-40 would be widened to six lanes or 8 lanes and I-40 Bus to 6 lanes.

When looking at this (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0749877,-80.1103158,3a,49.6y,86.19h,75.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXRRWa-SJP6_jI8oVGet1MQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) overpasses, I don't know if it can be widened to 8 lanes since the bridges are too small. I don't know if it even can be widened to 6 lanes! Unless they would replace the sloping southbound bridge (Union Cross Rd).

For I-40 BUS, when looking at this (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.106511,-80.0453465,3a,65.9y,281.8h,82.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seScQM1Bizt_ghNcDahbeuA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), It looks like it can be widened to 8 lanes easily! but 6 lanes is enough unless the far right lane would be an exit lane.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on December 26, 2019, 04:00:15 PM
Interim and ultimate sign design at the I-74 / US-421 (former I-40 Business) interchange -

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi74seg4wsbpl2.jpg&hash=cd5ea3aef051541ced0bf11d280680bb040047e7)

http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#signplans
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on December 26, 2019, 04:07:09 PM
^^^^

Would Raleigh be added in there too or would it just say Greensboro? and like I said before I'm pretty sure it would say Greensboro first before saying Kenersville (If they even plan to do it).

Because look over here (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0946278,-80.233392,3a,44.2y,132h,94.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1st2q_-kdkpC2CIiROXRLjQg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). It says Kenersville and Greensboro is on the main I-40.

link (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0626867,-80.2316764,3a,16y,202.19h,98.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sI3CIMHNa2fXgsFt0dDiPrA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 26, 2019, 05:12:06 PM
Plus we now know that Buzz 40 is being eliminated from that route.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on December 26, 2019, 05:16:09 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on December 26, 2019, 05:12:06 PM
Plus we now know that Buzz 40 is being eliminated from that route.
What interstate would that be? Would I-40 be moved on there? I-42? I-640? That would be interesting... Haha
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on December 26, 2019, 05:40:14 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 26, 2019, 05:16:09 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on December 26, 2019, 05:12:06 PM
Plus we now know that Buzz 40 is being eliminated from that route.
What interstate would that be? Would I-40 be moved on there? I-42? I-640? That would be interesting... Haha
Business 40 is going, it will become the US-421 Salem Parkway... no interstate designation.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 27, 2019, 05:16:01 PM
No word yet on when the first section of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway between Business 40/US 421 and US 158 will be open. Articles from the summer indicated it could be open by the end of the year, but given that that's 4 days away and no mention in the media, this does not appear to be the case. I found an aerial video produced by NCDOT from back in August at the link below that shows a lot of work still needed to be completed along the route. How much progress has been made since I guess will determine an opening date:
https://www.ruralhall.com/northern-beltway-progress/ (https://www.ruralhall.com/northern-beltway-progress/)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 27, 2019, 05:17:57 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 26, 2019, 04:00:15 PM
Interim and ultimate sign design at the I-74 / US-421 (former I-40 Business) interchange -

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi74seg4wsbpl2.jpg&hash=cd5ea3aef051541ced0bf11d280680bb040047e7)

http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#signplans
A more recent future sign plan, with the removal of Business 40:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi74seg4signplanexits53ab.jpg&hash=6512eec3b0ef664ba55a441de4ef5542e07de7b5)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 30, 2019, 10:21:17 PM
Some good I-74 news from the recent version of NCDOT's Suspended Project list. The project reconfiguring the NC 130/NC 72 intersection into an interchange in Robeson County has been taken off the list, with preliminary engineering to start in January. Same for the US 74/76 intersection to interchange projects east of Whiteville in Columbus County. Projects for upgrading US 74 to interstate standards between Hamlet and Laurinburg and from NC 41 to US 76, however, are still in the list with a note saying they are not likely to be started for the first 5 years of the current STIP or until 2025.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 01, 2020, 11:31:53 PM
I have completed my annual review of I-73/I-74 and other NC Future Interstates happenings for 2019. To the blog:
http://www.gribblenation.org/2020/01/i-73i-74-and-nc-future-interstates-year.html (http://www.gribblenation.org/2020/01/i-73i-74-and-nc-future-interstates-year.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on January 03, 2020, 01:54:12 PM
Regarding the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway, there are upcoming traffic shifts on US-52 due to bridge work.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-01-03-us-52-overnight-closures-rural-hall.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-01-03-us-52-overnight-closures-rural-hall.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on January 03, 2020, 03:01:00 PM
Quote from: LM117 on January 03, 2020, 01:54:12 PM
Regarding the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway, there are upcoming traffic shifts on US-52 due to bridge work.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-01-03-us-52-overnight-closures-rural-hall.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-01-03-us-52-overnight-closures-rural-hall.aspx)

I know the new SB exit from US 52 to NC 65 is open, but has the corresponding on-ramp loop opened yet, or is traffic still using the original diamond ramp?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on January 03, 2020, 07:07:51 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on January 03, 2020, 03:01:00 PM
Quote from: LM117 on January 03, 2020, 01:54:12 PM
Regarding the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway, there are upcoming traffic shifts on US-52 due to bridge work.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-01-03-us-52-overnight-closures-rural-hall.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-01-03-us-52-overnight-closures-rural-hall.aspx)

I know the new SB exit from US 52 to NC 65 is open, but has the corresponding on-ramp loop opened yet, or is traffic still using the original diamond ramp?

I'm not sure. :hmm: Somebody else will have to chime in.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ushighway421 on January 05, 2020, 06:03:22 PM
so, once i-73/74 is complete from greensboro thru us 74 in rockingham, no one will need us-220 South from i-40 anymore, so whats Ncdot most likely to do with the old designation?


will they truncate it to start in greensboro and go north,
(and possibly rename existing 220 south as a new  state hwy, (e.g. nc "374" south to asheboro)  ),

or

more easily, turn randleman road and alt 220, back into us 220 south again as they once were, to make an alternate route, like burlington road (us 70) does for i-40/85?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 05, 2020, 06:23:04 PM
Quote from: ushighway421 on January 05, 2020, 06:03:22 PM
so, once i-73/74 is complete from greensboro thru us 74 in rockingham, no one will need us-220 South from i-40 anymore, so whats Ncdot most likely to do with the old designation?

will they truncate it to start in greensboro and go north,
(and possibly rename existing 220 south as a new  state hwy, (e.g. nc "374" south to asheboro)  ),

or

more easily, turn randleman road and alt 220, back into us 220 south again as they once were, to make an alternate route, like burlington road (us 70) does for i-40/85?
It doesn't appear NCDOT wants US 220 to disappear anytime soon, since they took it off of I-73/I-74 between Exits 41 and 25 when the interstate was officially signed in 2013. The sign plans for the I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass have US 220 leaving the interstate at the at the start of the Bypass and using its current path to US 1. There was talk about a dozen years ago of having US 220 use the bypass around Rockingham and having the current route signed as Business Loop 74, but NCDOT apparently has changed its mind.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on February 07, 2020, 12:02:29 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-02-07-us-421-lane-closures-forsyth-beltway.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-02-07-us-421-lane-closures-forsyth-beltway.aspx)

QuoteKERNERSVILLE — State transportation contractors plan to close lanes of U.S. 421 overnight this weekend to begin installing an overhead sign in eastern Forsyth County.

The inside lanes of the highway are scheduled to be closed in both directions between South Main Street in Kernersville (Exit 224) and Linville Road (Exit 228) from 8 p.m. Friday until 11 a.m. Saturday.

The closures are needed for the crews to safely construct a median footing for the sign.

Drivers should slow down when approaching this stretch of U.S. 421 and be mindful of the crews at work.

This is part of ongoing work on the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway​ project.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on February 24, 2020, 11:31:24 PM
I've posted photos of Winston-Salem Beltway construction contributed by J. Austin Carter. Work is almost complete between US 421 (Former Business 40) and US 158. Here's a view looking towards the US 158 interchange:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi74seg4jac220n.jpg&hash=a71d9a5e69463e46b2a7de22d9bf9fd0d0d2da67)

Most of the overhead signs have now being installed, here's one at the US 421 ramp along Future I-74 East:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi74seg4jac220s.jpg&hash=0eab7e7720ef2d5177354c0be2a7e0b671855d9d)

I've posted the rest of the photos on my I-74 site, including of construction between US 158 and US 311, at:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on February 25, 2020, 10:15:38 AM
Quote from: MalmeRoads
Looks like the sign on the right is missing an arrow.

This is actually intentional. The off-ramp is paved wide enough to allow for a double right turn, but will only be striped for two lanes for now because both intersections will be unsignalized. (The same goes for the double left turn from 158 onto the eastbound beltway.) Even after the next beltway segment to US 311 opens, the off-ramps will still only be stop-controlled. I believe there are active plans to widen US 158 all the way from 421 out to I-73 north of Greensboro, so presumably the signals will be put in then.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on February 26, 2020, 10:44:28 AM
When are the two segments of future I-74 that are under construction (US 421 to US 158 and US 158 to US 311) each scheduled to open?  Which segment is the next one that is under construction or due to start?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on February 26, 2020, 11:50:33 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on February 26, 2020, 10:44:28 AM
When are the two segments of future I-74 that are under construction (US 421 to US 158 and US 158 to US 311) each scheduled to open?  Which segment is the next one that is under construction or due to start?
From my Segment 4 page: The first segment from US 421 to US 158 should open in the next month or so. The second segment from US 158 to US 311 as of December 31, 2019 was listed as over 2/3 (69.6%) complete. This project is to be officially completed by the early December 2021, but NCDOT has said it could open to traffic as soon as the end of 2020. The segment from US 311 to just before US 52 is scheduled to be completed by September 2021. Work on the US 52 interchange itself is supposed to be finished in September 2022. The remaining eastern section segments to be built are I-40 to US 421/Salem Parkway (Former Business 40), to be started in October 2020, and between US 311 and I-40, scheduled to start in the spring of 2021, with construction scheduled to be completed in late 2023 or early 2024.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on February 26, 2020, 06:47:26 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/36.053085,-80.1357573/36.0616418,-80.1822872/@36.0568367,-80.1802367,13.67z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0) part should be an I-x74. I-474, I-674, or I-874.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on February 27, 2020, 03:30:45 PM
I agree, except that segment is already slated to become NC 192, with a possible boulevard extension to US 421 (old business 40). I don't know if the boulevard will ever be constructed, since I have never been to North Carolina, and the boulevard was apparently first proposed in 1991.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on February 27, 2020, 04:33:14 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 27, 2020, 03:30:45 PM
I agree, except that segment is already slated to become NC 192, with a possible boulevard extension to US 421 (old business 40). I don't know if the boulevard will ever be constructed, since I have never been to North Carolina, and the boulevard was apparently first proposed in 1991.
By making the current I-74 segment west of the future Beltway an NC route they save any money that would be needed to upgrade the highway to Interstate Standards. Something they currently do not have funded for the rest of I-74 in Forsyth County.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on February 27, 2020, 07:01:03 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 27, 2020, 03:30:45 PM
I agree, except that segment is already slated to become NC 192, with a possible boulevard extension to US 421 (old business 40). I don't know if the boulevard will ever be constructed, since I have never been to North Carolina, and the boulevard was apparently first proposed in 1991.
Drivers probably would be less confused by an x74 number. And the state highway numbers NC 474, NC 674, and NC 874 are all available.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sturmde on February 28, 2020, 11:07:29 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on February 27, 2020, 07:01:03 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 27, 2020, 03:30:45 PM
I agree, except that segment is already slated to become NC 192, with a possible boulevard extension to US 421 (old business 40). I don't know if the boulevard will ever be constructed, since I have never been to North Carolina, and the boulevard was apparently first proposed in 1991.
Drivers probably would be less confused by an x74 number. And the state highway numbers NC 474, NC 674, and NC 874 are all available.
I thought that NC 740 would be perfect, if it weren't a minor route already.  Changing it wouldn't be worth the signage cost.  Connecting 74 to 40 though that number does so well.  Don't rule out NC 174, 374, 574, 774, 974... though.  I almost think NC 174 would work....
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 18, 2020, 11:26:13 PM
Upcoming weekend lane closure for the placement of another new sign on US 421 for the, hopefully, soon to open first section of the I-74 Winston-Salem Northern Beltway:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-03-18-overnight-us-421-forsyth-lane-closure.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-03-18-overnight-us-421-forsyth-lane-closure.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: AcE_Wolf_287 on March 21, 2020, 04:32:01 PM
is there a post just for I-73/I-74 in South Carolina??? or do i need to make one??
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on March 21, 2020, 04:34:14 PM
Quote from: AcE_Wolf_287 on March 21, 2020, 04:32:01 PM
is there a post just for I-73/I-74 in South Carolina??? or do i need to make one??

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10723.0 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10723.0)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 24, 2020, 04:45:44 PM
Today NCDOT advertised the letting of another contract for the I-74/Winston-Salem Northern Beltway. Apparently, last fall the US Army Corps of Engineers received a request to modify the environmental permit to require the construction of a new culvert that will relocate a portion of Smith Creek near the Salem Parkway/US 421 interchange, along with a tributary of the creek. Apparently the deceleration lane for I-74 East approaching US 421 was to close to the creek which contains 2 fish hatchery ponds. The contract is to be let on April 21, the contractor will have until the fall of 2021 to complete the work. It is unknown whether this will prevent the US 421 to US 158 section of the Beltway to open this spring as planned, or if it will simply create lane restrictions after the road is open. Despite the plans dating from January, they still refer to US 421 as Business 40 and include a couple sign plans with the old Business 40 exit number for the Beltway exit (12).

The proposal for the project is at: https://xfer.services.ncdot.gov/dsplan/2020%20Highway%20Letting/04-21-20/Plans%20and%20Proposals/FORSYTH__34839.3.11_U-2579BA_C204533/Project%20Proposal.pdf (https://xfer.services.ncdot.gov/dsplan/2020%20Highway%20Letting/04-21-20/Plans%20and%20Proposals/FORSYTH__34839.3.11_U-2579BA_C204533/Project%20Proposal.pdf)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on April 06, 2020, 05:52:55 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-04-06-winston-beltway-us-52-lane-closure.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-04-06-winston-beltway-us-52-lane-closure.aspx)

QuoteRURAL HALL — A lane will be closed along a stretch of U.S. 52 in northern Forsyth County for a couple days as part of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway project.

N.C. Department of Transportation contractors plan to close the outside lane on the northbound side of the highway between N.C. 65 and Westinghouse Road from 6 a.m. Tuesday until 5 p.m. Wednesday.

The closure will allow crews to safely mill and repave and work on shoulders and ditches alongside U.S. 52 in preparation for a future traffic shift.

Drivers should slow down and be cautious when approaching this stretch of highway and anticipate slight delays while traffic is reduced to a single lane.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 02, 2020, 11:26:07 AM
This article states the new Hallsboro Road exit on US 74/76 (Future I-74) in Columbus County will be open by late May:
https://www.wect.com/2020/05/01/ncdot-construction-columbus-county-interchange-nearing-completion/ (https://www.wect.com/2020/05/01/ncdot-construction-columbus-county-interchange-nearing-completion/)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on May 02, 2020, 12:29:38 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on May 02, 2020, 11:26:07 AM
This article states the new Hallsboro Road exit on US 74/76 (Future I-74) in Columbus County will be open by late May:
https://www.wect.com/2020/05/01/ncdot-construction-columbus-county-interchange-nearing-completion/ (https://www.wect.com/2020/05/01/ncdot-construction-columbus-county-interchange-nearing-completion/)
Additionally, if other interchanges constructed along that corridor in recent years are any indication, the 70 mph zone should be extended 4 miles eastward to the Chauncey Town Rd intersection.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 06, 2020, 10:36:29 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-04-29-us-421-forsyth-lane-closure.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-04-29-us-421-forsyth-lane-closure.aspx)

QuoteKERNERSVILLE — State transportation contractors plan to close a lane of U.S. 421 in Forsyth County for two full weeks.

The outside lane of U.S. 421 South is set to close between Linville Road (Exit 228) and South Main Street in Kernersville (Exit 224) from 8 a.m. Thursday until the morning of May 21.

The closure is needed for crews to safely install a barrier wall and construct an outside shoulder as part of the ongoing Winston-Salem Northern Beltway project. The work is weather dependent and subject to change.

Drivers should slow down when approaching this stretch of U.S. 421 South, be mindful of the crews at work and expect slight delays due to the lane reduction. They may also use N.C. 66, Interstate 40 and U.S. 52 as alternative routes to avoid U.S. 421 during the closures.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 08, 2020, 02:05:47 PM
Several upcoming closures in Greensboro due to a rehab project on I-73/US-421 between I-40 and I-85.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-05-08-i-73-exit-ramp-closures-greensboro.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-05-08-i-73-exit-ramp-closures-greensboro.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 11, 2020, 01:58:44 PM
Upcoming lane closures and traffic shifts due to the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway project.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-05-11-us-421-52-winston-beltway-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-05-11-us-421-52-winston-beltway-closures.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 16, 2020, 09:49:00 AM
Quote from: LM117 on May 08, 2020, 02:05:47 PM
Several upcoming closures in Greensboro due to a rehab project on I-73/US-421 between I-40 and I-85.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-05-08-i-73-exit-ramp-closures-greensboro.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-05-08-i-73-exit-ramp-closures-greensboro.aspx)

More closures coming.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-05-15-overnight-i-73-greensboro-ramp-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-05-15-overnight-i-73-greensboro-ramp-closures.aspx)

And regarding the W-S Northern Beltway, the ramp from US-52 North to NC-65 will be closed tonight.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-05-15-us-52-nc-65-ramp-closure.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-05-15-us-52-nc-65-ramp-closure.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 26, 2020, 11:45:47 PM
More lane closings this week on US 421/Salem Parkway due to the Future I-74 Northern Beltway project:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-05-26-us-421-kernersville-lane-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-05-26-us-421-kernersville-lane-closures.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on June 03, 2020, 06:42:35 PM
Due to construction on the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway, Davis Road north of Old Walkertown Road will close for 300 days.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-06-03-davis-road-winston-salem-beltway-closure.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-06-03-davis-road-winston-salem-beltway-closure.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on June 03, 2020, 08:51:25 PM
Are there any recent flyover videos of the construction progress?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on June 04, 2020, 02:26:31 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on June 03, 2020, 08:51:25 PM
Are there any recent flyover videos of the construction progress?

Not that I know of.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on June 04, 2020, 02:28:09 PM
Quote from: LM117 on May 16, 2020, 09:49:00 AM
Quote from: LM117 on May 08, 2020, 02:05:47 PM
Several upcoming closures in Greensboro due to a rehab project on I-73/US-421 between I-40 and I-85.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-05-08-i-73-exit-ramp-closures-greensboro.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-05-08-i-73-exit-ramp-closures-greensboro.aspx)

More closures coming.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-05-15-overnight-i-73-greensboro-ramp-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-05-15-overnight-i-73-greensboro-ramp-closures.aspx)

Another round.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-06-04-i-73-greensboro-interstate-closure.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-06-04-i-73-greensboro-interstate-closure.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on June 04, 2020, 02:34:31 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on June 03, 2020, 08:51:25 PM
Are there any recent flyover videos of the construction progress?
Not a flyover, but this video was filmed in March-April 2020 driving the length of US-421 Salem Pkwy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hu5N4NBWEM&t=872s

Around 14:00, you can see progress on the I-74 interchange.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 12, 2020, 04:58:55 PM
The new Hallsboro Road interchange along US 74/76 (Future I-74) has opened:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-06-12-columbus-county-interchange-opens.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-06-12-columbus-county-interchange-opens.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on June 12, 2020, 05:07:17 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on June 12, 2020, 04:58:55 PM
The new Hallsboro Road interchange along US 74/76 (Future I-74) has opened:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-06-12-columbus-county-interchange-opens.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-06-12-columbus-county-interchange-opens.aspx)
If the other interchange projects are any indication, they should be extending the 70 mph zone approximately 4 miles east to the Chauncey Town Rd intersection.

In reality, the entire highway should be 70 mph even with intersections, but due to artificial laws, it must be capped at 60 mph.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: RoadPelican on June 13, 2020, 08:58:39 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 12, 2020, 05:07:17 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on June 12, 2020, 04:58:55 PM
The new Hallsboro Road interchange along US 74/76 (Future I-74) has opened:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-06-12-columbus-county-interchange-opens.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-06-12-columbus-county-interchange-opens.aspx)
If the other interchange projects are any indication, they should be extending the 70 mph zone approximately 4 miles east to the Chauncey Town Rd intersection.

In reality, the entire highway should be 70 mph even with intersections, but due to artificial laws, it must be capped at 60 mph.

I would also recommend that the at-grade parts of US 421 from Greensboro to Siler City and then between Siler City and Sanford need to be raised to 70 too, 60 is painly slow on these rural wide roads, but that would be a pipe dream because NCDOT only has the bypasses of Siler City and Sanford at 65 to begin with.  NCDOT hates to sign things at 70 MPH for some weird reason.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on June 23, 2020, 04:44:49 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-06-23-i-74-surry-repair.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-06-23-i-74-surry-repair.aspx)

Quote​MOUNT AIRY — A section of westbound Interstate 74 in Surry County will close this evening in order for N.C. Department of Transportation crews to repair a broken pipe under I-74 between exit 11 and exit 8.

Crews will dig into the interstate, remove the broken concrete pipe, install a new pipe, fill the cavity and resurface the area. NCDOT engineers estimate the operation to take two or three days depending on weather.

Westbound I-74 traffic heading to I-77 from U.S. 52 North is encouraged to stay on U.S. 52 North, exit off onto N.C. 89 and head west to I-74/77. All remaining westbound I-74 traffic will take exit 11 onto U.S. 601 North, then turn left onto U.S. 52 North, exit off onto N.C. 89, and follow N.C. 89 West back to I-74/I-77.

Transportation officials advise drivers to plan the detour into their commute and to follow all posted signs.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 10, 2020, 07:18:54 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-07-10-northern-beltway-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-07-10-northern-beltway-closures.aspx)

QuoteWINSTON-SALEM — N.C. Department of Transportation contract crews will have nightly lane closures on U.S. 421 North/Business 40 West next week, as work continues on the eastern section of the Winston Salem Northern Beltway.​​​

The closures will allow crews to safely remove temporary concrete barrier wall and temporary pavement markings before installing new pavement markings between exits 224 and 228.​​

One lane will be closed from 8 p.m. until 6 a.m. the nights of Tuesday, July 14 through the morning of July 17.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 27, 2020, 12:06:49 PM
While there's been no official word about when the first segment of the Future I-74 Winston-Salem Northern Beltway will open, this traffic incident report may provide a clue: "Construction on C203484  -- There will be a continuous one lane pattern on SB US-421/EB Bus 40 to allow the contractor to complete the following: paving, shoulder work, seeding, mulching, guardrail, and pavement marking."  This work started today at 5 AM and is to be completed by noon on Sunday, August 2.  Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 29, 2020, 06:28:08 PM
Looks like the process of US 311 sign removal from I-74 has made it finally to Guilford County, this NCDOT press release is about lane closures along Business 85 related to removing both ground mounted and overhead 311 shields:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-07-29-i-85-business-us-311-sign-removal.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-07-29-i-85-business-us-311-sign-removal.aspx)

Last check of signage today at the I-74/I-85 interchange via traffic camera still showed the US 311 shields on overhead signs there.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 29, 2020, 08:46:16 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on July 29, 2020, 06:28:08 PM
Looks like the process of US 311 sign removal from I-74 has made it finally to Guilford County, this NCDOT press release is about lane closures along Business 85 related to removing both ground mounted and overhead 311 shields:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-07-29-i-85-business-us-311-sign-removal.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-07-29-i-85-business-us-311-sign-removal.aspx)

Last check of signage today at the I-74/I-85 interchange via traffic camera still showed the US 311 shields on overhead signs there.

I never understood why US-311 even exists. It would've made more sense to extend US-360 from Danville.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Alex on August 02, 2020, 09:11:40 AM
With U.S. 311 dropped from I-74, any idea of what the leftover portion of freeway will be designated west from the exchange taking I-74 northward onto the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway and where I-74 currently ties into I-40?

https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/wsnb/Documents/eastern-section-7-map-1.pdf
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: amroad17 on August 02, 2020, 09:18:17 AM
Quote from: Alex on August 02, 2020, 09:11:40 AM
With U.S. 311 dropped from I-74, any idea of what the leftover portion of freeway will be designated west from the exchange taking I-74 northward onto the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway and where I-74 currently ties into I-40?

https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/wsnb/Documents/eastern-section-7-map-1.pdf
I thought I read it was going to be NC 192.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on August 02, 2020, 09:22:40 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on August 02, 2020, 09:18:17 AM
Quote from: Alex on August 02, 2020, 09:11:40 AM
With U.S. 311 dropped from I-74, any idea of what the leftover portion of freeway will be designated west from the exchange taking I-74 northward onto the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway and where I-74 currently ties into I-40?

https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/wsnb/Documents/eastern-section-7-map-1.pdf
I thought I read it was going to be NC 192.

NC 192 appears in this article (https://journalnow.com/news/local/u-s-to-high-point-is-going-away-but-don/article_8c365cc0-b7d7-58f6-8ed5-732f633b299a.html) that was pointed out to me by LM117...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on August 02, 2020, 12:40:00 PM
So, do we have openage?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on August 02, 2020, 06:09:55 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 02, 2020, 09:22:40 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on August 02, 2020, 09:18:17 AM
Quote from: Alex on August 02, 2020, 09:11:40 AM
With U.S. 311 dropped from I-74, any idea of what the leftover portion of freeway will be designated west from the exchange taking I-74 northward onto the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway and where I-74 currently ties into I-40?

https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/wsnb/Documents/eastern-section-7-map-1.pdf
I thought I read it was going to be NC 192.

NC 192 appears in this article (https://journalnow.com/news/local/u-s-to-high-point-is-going-away-but-don/article_8c365cc0-b7d7-58f6-8ed5-732f633b299a.html) that was pointed out to me by LM117...
It might not be signed as NC 192, though. It might simply be signed TO WEST 40 in one direction and TO EAST 74 in the other. There is a precedent: Wade Avenue between I-40 and I-440 in West Raleigh.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on August 02, 2020, 06:36:22 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on August 02, 2020, 06:09:55 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 02, 2020, 09:22:40 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on August 02, 2020, 09:18:17 AM
Quote from: Alex on August 02, 2020, 09:11:40 AM
With U.S. 311 dropped from I-74, any idea of what the leftover portion of freeway will be designated west from the exchange taking I-74 northward onto the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway and where I-74 currently ties into I-40?

https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/wsnb/Documents/eastern-section-7-map-1.pdf
I thought I read it was going to be NC 192.

NC 192 appears in this article (https://journalnow.com/news/local/u-s-to-high-point-is-going-away-but-don/article_8c365cc0-b7d7-58f6-8ed5-732f633b299a.html) that was pointed out to me by LM117...
It might not be signed as NC 192, though. It might simply be signed TO WEST 40 in one direction and TO EAST 74 in the other. There is a precedent: Wade Avenue between I-40 and I-440 in West Raleigh.

Respectfully disagree...Wade Ave has no number to post as it is not in the primary system.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on August 03, 2020, 06:10:23 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 02, 2020, 06:36:22 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on August 02, 2020, 06:09:55 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 02, 2020, 09:22:40 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on August 02, 2020, 09:18:17 AM
Quote from: Alex on August 02, 2020, 09:11:40 AM
With U.S. 311 dropped from I-74, any idea of what the leftover portion of freeway will be designated west from the exchange taking I-74 northward onto the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway and where I-74 currently ties into I-40?

https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/wsnb/Documents/eastern-section-7-map-1.pdf
I thought I read it was going to be NC 192.

NC 192 appears in this article (https://journalnow.com/news/local/u-s-to-high-point-is-going-away-but-don/article_8c365cc0-b7d7-58f6-8ed5-732f633b299a.html) that was pointed out to me by LM117...
It might not be signed as NC 192, though. It might simply be signed TO WEST 40 in one direction and TO EAST 74 in the other. There is a precedent: Wade Avenue between I-40 and I-440 in West Raleigh.

Respectfully disagree...Wade Ave has no number to post as it is not in the primary system.
True. But my point is that NCDOT doesn't feel a need to sign short connecting sections of expressway with route numbers. Come to think of it, isn't this another precedent: the northern end of the Wilmington loop, where NCDOT didn't ask for the I-140 designation and took US 17 off the expressway. (Of course this is all idle talk until we see what actually happens.)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on August 03, 2020, 06:53:08 PM
US 17 was removed at the request of Wilmington and the freeway is fully signed as NC 140.

The closest I can think of to the no-post argument is NC 581 Conn which connects the end of I795 to NC 581.   Not sure why this wasn't  made And posted as NC 795.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on August 04, 2020, 12:00:53 AM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on August 02, 2020, 12:40:00 PM
So, do we have openage?
Unfortunately not, NCDOT issued a new press release last Friday indicating further lane closures will happen along US 421/Salem Parkway to prepare the ramps for the Beltway through August 23. No mention of when the Beltway will open:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-07-31-us-421-paving-lane-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-07-31-us-421-paving-lane-closures.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on August 04, 2020, 04:27:19 AM
The latest information I have is when NCDOT responded to my tweet back in May saying the beltway's first segment is opening in August.

Hopefully we'll see this by the end of the month without further delay.

IIRC, it was supposed to open by the end of 2019 already.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on August 04, 2020, 07:14:13 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 03, 2020, 06:53:08 PM
The closest I can think of to the no-post argument is NC 581 Conn which connects the end of I795 to NC 581.   Not sure why this wasn't  made And posted as NC 795.

NCDOT probably doesn't think it's worth signing right now because of how short it is. Speaking as someone that grew up in Wayne County, it's never been an issue for the locals. The majority of them already thinks I-795 ends at NC-581/Ash Street anyway, despite the location of the "END I-795" trailblazer.

My guess is it will get signed as NC-795 once the new alignment south of Ash Street starts getting built and opened.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on August 05, 2020, 12:15:00 PM
The first segment of the I-74 Winston-Salem Beltway is currently scheduled to open in the first week of September.

https://twitter.com/ncdot_triad/status/1291016548824551427
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sturmde on August 05, 2020, 12:28:54 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 29, 2020, 08:46:16 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on July 29, 2020, 06:28:08 PM
Looks like the process of US 311 sign removal from I-74 has made it finally to Guilford County, this NCDOT press release is about lane closures along Business 85 related to removing both ground mounted and overhead 311 shields:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-07-29-i-85-business-us-311-sign-removal.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-07-29-i-85-business-us-311-sign-removal.aspx)

Last check of signage today at the I-74/I-85 interchange via traffic camera still showed the US 311 shields on overhead signs there.

I never understood why US-311 even exists. It would've made more sense to extend US-360 from Danville.

Rhetorical question??  If not, it exists because it predates US-220.  It originally ran where 220 is today north to Martinsville to meet parent US-11 in Roanoke.  It went south, too... and NC 211 was its former routing at one point...  The Eden part didn't exist until a few years ago, so that's why US-360 never came into the picture.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Thing 342 on August 05, 2020, 03:39:50 PM
Quote from: sturmde on August 05, 2020, 12:28:54 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 29, 2020, 08:46:16 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on July 29, 2020, 06:28:08 PM
Looks like the process of US 311 sign removal from I-74 has made it finally to Guilford County, this NCDOT press release is about lane closures along Business 85 related to removing both ground mounted and overhead 311 shields:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-07-29-i-85-business-us-311-sign-removal.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-07-29-i-85-business-us-311-sign-removal.aspx)

Last check of signage today at the I-74/I-85 interchange via traffic camera still showed the US 311 shields on overhead signs there.

I never understood why US-311 even exists. It would've made more sense to extend US-360 from Danville.

Rhetorical question??  If not, it exists because it predates US-220.  It originally ran where 220 is today north to Martinsville to meet parent US-11 in Roanoke.  It went south, too... and NC 211 was its former routing at one point...  The Eden part didn't exist until a few years ago, so that's why US-360 never came into the picture.
I believe that VA 311 is related to this old routing, though I don't think that it ever connected to US-311.

Functionally, US-311 became redundant in 1934 when it was replaced with US-220 and should have been decommissioned then.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on August 06, 2020, 06:20:07 AM
Quote from: Thing 342 on August 05, 2020, 03:39:50 PM
Quote from: sturmde on August 05, 2020, 12:28:54 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 29, 2020, 08:46:16 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on July 29, 2020, 06:28:08 PM
Looks like the process of US 311 sign removal from I-74 has made it finally to Guilford County, this NCDOT press release is about lane closures along Business 85 related to removing both ground mounted and overhead 311 shields:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-07-29-i-85-business-us-311-sign-removal.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-07-29-i-85-business-us-311-sign-removal.aspx)

Last check of signage today at the I-74/I-85 interchange via traffic camera still showed the US 311 shields on overhead signs there.

I never understood why US-311 even exists. It would've made more sense to extend US-360 from Danville.

Rhetorical question??  If not, it exists because it predates US-220.  It originally ran where 220 is today north to Martinsville to meet parent US-11 in Roanoke.  It went south, too... and NC 211 was its former routing at one point...  The Eden part didn't exist until a few years ago, so that's why US-360 never came into the picture.
I believe that VA 311 is related to this old routing, though I don't think that it ever connected to US-311.

Functionally, US-311 became redundant in 1934 when it was replaced with US-220 and should have been decommissioned then.

I have never found any evidence VA 311 and US 311 connected.

It would have made sense in 1934 to have US 311 become US 220W or US 220 ALT given that both ends were at US 220.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on August 06, 2020, 11:44:25 AM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-08-06-i-74-eastchester-loops-open.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-08-06-i-74-eastchester-loops-open.aspx)

Quote​HIGH POINT — New ramps that create safer access to Interstate 74 in Guilford County are set to open this weekend.

By 9 p.m. Saturday, contract crews plan to open new loop ramps from northbound N.C. 68/Eastchester Drive to westbound I-74 and from southbound N.C. 68/Eastchester Drive to I-74 East.

The loops eliminate situations where drivers make left turns across oncoming travel lanes to access the interstate.

The existing ramps onto I-74 will remain in use, but accessible only by right turns.

Drivers should keep in mind this interchange remains an active work zone and be mindful of the crews working in this area.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on August 31, 2020, 02:51:21 PM
A couple weeks old, but still relevant.

The first 3 mile segment of the I-74 Winston-Salem Beltway between US-421 Salem Pkwy (former I-40 Business) and US-158 is on schedule to open likely this week. Additionally, the next 1.5 miles between US-158 and US-311 is scheduled to be open by the end of the year. Going forth, a roughly 8 mile segment between University Pkwy and US-311 should be complete by the end of 2021 with a temporary connection to US-52 until the full interchange and connecting piece to US-52 is complete by 2022.

See article for additional photos of the project from August 12.

Six lanes opening next month are Winston-Salem's first taste of the beltway. Here's what the road looks like so far. (https://journalnow.com/news/local/six-lanes-opening-next-month-are-winston-salems-first-taste-of-the-beltway-heres-what/article_3b2f505e-de53-11ea-a004-4beb4d2edbd1.html)
Quote(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/journalnow.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/a/93/a9374cf0-bc77-576a-af79-69d9cdff1bb5/5f3874af6b0d7.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C513)
The first 3.5 miles of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway will open by Labor Day, state highway officials say, providing a high-speed connection between Salem Parkway and U.S. 158, Reidsville Road.

"The big thing that we believe will happen when we open to 311 is that we are expecting a big improvement through the Walkertown area on N.C. 66," said Pat Ivey, the division engineer for the N.C. Department of Transportation in Forsyth County.

Anyone who's traveled N.C. 66 through Walkertown and experienced the major traffic delays there knows what Ivey is talking about. Once those first two beltway links are up and running, many truck drivers and other through-travelers are expected to take to the new beltway, Ivey said.

The first beltway segment has faced a series of delays that pushed completion of the project far past the original projected opening in November 2018.

"It was a variety of things," Ivey said. "To put it most simply, work was added to the project, there were utility delays, and weather was always a factor."

In some cases, Ivey said, there were work quality issues such as concrete cracking that had to be worked out, but Ivey promised everything will be ship shape when the road opens.

Actually, pretty much everything in that first stretch between Salem Parkway and Reidsville Road is now finished: Most of what is being done nowadays has to do with tying in the connections on each end.

Drivers who use Salem Parkway between Winston-Salem and Kernersville have had to merge down to a single lane for paving work. On Reidsville Road, the presence of paving crews has reduced traffic at times to a single lane with west- and eastbound traffic taking turns through the construction zone.

Peggy Leight, a member of the Walkertown Town Council, said the coming of the beltway has been a long wait, but that folks in Walkertown are eager to see the completion of the first segment.

"It will make such a shortcut for the people of Walkertown to use to get to I-40," Leight said. "For me personally, going to the eastern side of the state – Durham, Chapel Hill or the coast – will be easier."

In the short term, however, with just the one segment open, Leight thinks some traffic will be heavier in town because more drivers may be using N.C. 66 or U.S. 158 to get to the new road.

The beltway will be a six-lane freeway for its entire length around the eastern side of Winston-Salem and will likely bear a 65-mile-per-hour speed limit, Ivey said.

Segments of the beltway from New Walkertown Road all the way to U.S. 52 on the northern side of Winston-Salem are under contract and under construction.

There's lots of red dirt to be seen across the northern Forsyth County countryside.

So far, there aren't many signs that a development boom will occur on most sections of the eastern beltway leg, said Aaron King, planning director for Winston-Salem and Forsyth County.

"It provides better access, but you need access, water and sewer, and it is hard to get sewer out to many of the areas where the beltway is running," he said.

But first, let's get the road built: According to the timetables, work on the long segment between New Walkertown Road and University Parkway will finish sometime before the end of 2021.

But even then, the eastern leg doesn't quite hook up to U.S. 52 on the north side of town: The massive interchange that merges the two freeways won't get finished until later in 2022.

If you're wondering how motorists are going to get in between U.S. 52 and the beltway while that work is going on, you're not alone. Fortunately, the people who are paid to wonder think they have that sorted out. Nobody wants to just dump all that traffic onto University Parkway, Ivey said.

"We are working with the contractor to provide enough connectivity between University and 52 to allow people traveling on the beltway to get to 52 north," Ivey said.

Roughly, that will be a ramp similar to the one now closed that formerly led northbound traffic to U.S. 52 toward Mount Airy.

Southbound drivers on U.S. 52 also will get a way to connect to the beltway, even though the full interchange won't spread over the area like a pile of spaghetti until sometime before 2022.

In the short term, the less-common traffic movements – such as exiting the northbound beltway to go south on U.S. 52 – won't get the full treatment the later interchange will provide.

The eastern leg of the beltway, when finished, will be designated as part of Interstate 74 – a route connecting the Atlantic coast regions around Wilmington to the Midwest – when completed.

In North Carolina, sections of I-74 exist between I-77 and U.S. 52 near Mount Airy, and from the southeastern outskirts of Winston-Salem through High Point, Asheboro and points south as far as the vicinity of Rockingham. Other sections of I-74 stretch through the area from Rockingham to Wilmington.

When the beltway is finished from U.S. 52 north of Winston-Salem to Salem Parkway, there will still be an unfinished segment from Salem Parkway to the part of I-74 formerly designated as U.S. 311 between Winston-Salem and High Point.

Ivey said that last link will get built, but the exact timing remains up in the air because of the state's coronavirus-driven crunch in transportation revenue.

The same goes for segments in the western leg of the beltway.

In the meantime, the design-build process used in constructing the long beltway stretch between U.S. 311 and University Parkway means some things aren't getting built exactly the way that original plans envisioned.

For example, Dippen Road, outside Walkertown, was originally planned to cross the beltway over a newly-constructed bridge. Design-build means that a company getting a road contract not only builds the road but is responsible for design. In this case, Flatiron Constructors – one of the main Salem Parkway contractors, incidentally – determined that a change in design at Dippen Road could shave off costs and time.

The result is that Dippen Road no longer will cross the beltway but has been diverted to a new alignment on its southern end to intersect with Old Walkertown Road.

"That's one of the changes that the design-build team recommended," Ivey said. "They can look at what we proposed and routinely come up with better solutions that are more cost-effective and may work better."

One thing motorists who drive in the northern reaches of the county will be glad to hear: Germanton Road's new crossing of the beltway will be built in a way that does not interrupt traffic flow on the busy road.

Tim Flinchum, the mayor of Rural Hall, said folks in his town have been inconvenienced at times by construction, but overall are pleased to see progress on the highway.

And while nothing specific's been announced, Flinchum said, residents look forward to the growth they think the beltway will bring.

"There has been chatter about how the beltway will attract retail and help businesses grow," he said.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on September 04, 2020, 06:12:52 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 31, 2020, 02:51:21 PMThe first 3 mile segment of the I-74 Winston-Salem Beltway between US-421 Salem Pkwy (former I-40 Business) and US-158 is on schedule to open likely this week.

It opens tomorrow morning.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-09-04-winston-salem-northern-beltway-opens.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-09-04-winston-salem-northern-beltway-opens.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on September 05, 2020, 01:51:03 AM
Quote from: LM117 on September 04, 2020, 06:12:52 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 31, 2020, 02:51:21 PMThe first 3 mile segment of the I-74 Winston-Salem Beltway between US-421 Salem Pkwy (former I-40 Business) and US-158 is on schedule to open likely this week.

It opens tomorrow morning.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-09-04-winston-salem-northern-beltway-opens.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-09-04-winston-salem-northern-beltway-opens.aspx)

If I'm to understand correctly, the opened partial segments of the beltway -- at least until the NE quadrant segment from the former US 311 to US 52 is fully completed -- will be signed as NC 74.   This would make NC, AFAIK, the sole state to have the same number signed simultaneously as a state, US, and Interstate highway.  Dubious distinction indeed!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on September 06, 2020, 12:15:53 AM
6 new lanes, all 65 mph opening from Salem Parkway to Reidsville Road (https://journalnow.com/news/local/6-new-lanes-all-65-mph-opening-from-salem-parkway-to-reidsville-road/article_9503a79e-eec8-11ea-9714-2f7e27bd9c28.html#1)
QuoteThe first segment of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway was scheduled to open in the early morning hours today, offering drivers a high-speed connection between Salem Parkway and Reidsville Road.

By Christmas, the beltway may be open as far north as New Walkertown Road. And sometime in 2022, the beltway should be complete between Salam Parkway and U.S. 52 on the northern side of Winston-Salem.

Winston-Salem Mayor Allen Joines and other local leaders hailed the road during a Friday news conference as a long-awaited transportation improvement that can also boost development prospects on the northeastern side of Winston-Salem.

"This is one of those special days that we will look back on," Joines said, speaking from the northbound lanes of the bridge where the new freeway crosses Salem Parkway. "It will open development opportunities all along the way at the interchanges on the northeast side of our city."

When finished to U.S. 52, Joines said, the beltway will relieve some of the traffic pressure on U.S. 52 through the center of Winston-Salem.

Pat Ivey, the division engineer for the N.C. Department of Transportation in Forsyth County, said that when the second segment opens between Reidsville and New Walkertown roads, the town of Walkertown should see some relief from heavy traffic on N.C. 66 through the center of the town.

The new freeway will have three travel lanes in each direction and have a speed limit of 65 miles per hour, Ivey said.

Built at a cost of some $165 million, the first beltway segment has been under construction since 2014. Originally planned for opening in November 2018, the project ran into delays that Ivey ascribes to no one particular thing: Weather, additions to the work and utility delays all played a part, he said.

Officials weren't worried about delays on Friday. Standing on the bridge that carries the new freeway over Salem Parkway, Mark Owens, the president and chief executive of Greater Winston-Salem Inc., said the completion of the first beltway link, on top of the recently-opened Salem Parkway renovation, are both signs that "in Winston-Salem and Forsyth County we get projects done."

Acknowledging the business challenges of the COVID-19 pandemic, Owens said the new road is going to help when the coronavirus is in the rear-view mirror.

"We are primed for the strongest rebound in the country,"  Owens said. "We're so thrilled that Winston-Salem and Forsyth County are poised for another explosion of growth."

The eastern beltway segments will be designated N.C. 74 until other segments are completed that link it to Interstate 74 on the southeastern side of Winston-Salem. At that point, the entire eastern leg of the beltway, from U.S. 52 on the north side of Winston-Salem to the existing I-74 freeway to High Point, will be designated as I-74.

The first beltway segment has no exits along the 3.5 miles that it covers between U.S. 421 and U.S. 158. The freeway crosses over West Mountain Street without an interchange, and passes under Walkertown-Guthrie Road.

Meanwhile, work is progressing apace on the sections of the beltway to the north of Reidsville Road. The segment between Reidsville and New Walkertown roads is only 1.4 miles and crosses under Williston Road en route.

Several segments to the north and west of New Walkertown Road are being built under a single contract and will run seven miles from New Walkertown Road to University Parkway.

Along the way, that section of the freeway will have interchanges at Baux Mountain and Germanton roads.

While the beltway between New Walkertown Road and University Parkway is supposed to finish in 2021, it may be another full year before the massive "spaghetti interchange"  under construction where the beltway joins U.S. 52 is finished.

To bridge that gap, motorists will use temporary ramps for a partial connection between the beltway and U.S. 52.

Andy Perkins, the representative of state highway Division 9 (which includes Forsyth County) on the state transportation board, said during Friday's news conference that he has confidence that the work going forward can proceed "as quickly as possible."

Winston-Salem Northern Beltway Project's first segment to open Saturday morning for drivers (https://www.wxii12.com/article/first-segment-of-the-northern-beltway-project-set-to-open-saturday-morning/33928198)
QuoteFORSYTH COUNTY, N.C. –
The first part of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway Project is expected to open this weekend.

It is the first of six segments to be completed. The first 3 1/2 mile segment cost more than $150 million.

Officials said they expect it to be a positive change for drivers.

"This is the very first 3 1/2 mile segment between Salem Parkway and US-158; it will provide an alternate connection between those two highways,"  said Pat Ivery, a division engineer with NCDOT.

The first segment, which cost about $155 million, is just one of six segments – all with the goal to ease traffic.

"It improves the transportation flow in and around our city and when it is finished all the way up to US-52 at Rural Hall, it will take a lot of pressure off of US-52 and allow us to do some work on that,"  said Winston-Salem Mayor Allen Joines.

The second segment of the project to US-311 is already under construction. Transportation officials said they believe it will reduce a lot of thru-traffic that currently goes through downtown Walkertown on Highway 66.

"This will really, in terms of thru traffic and particularly major trucks coming through here, we will be able to use this road to access Salem Parkway, US-158 and US-311,"  Ivery said.

The project will be three lanes on each side and the speed limit will start at 65 mph, which officials said could be raised in the future.

And as for technology on the road, officials said "on the beltway, of course, we are employing the intelligent transportation systems like our cameras, our variable message boards that will be along the entire corridor here."

Officials said they expect the second part of this project to be completed by the end of this year.

I'm curious regarding the fact the 65 mph speed limit "could be raised in the future". While I agree 70 mph could be appropriate, all of I-74 between Winston Salem and Asheboro, I-73 from Greensboro to Asheboro and north of Greensboro, I-40 from Winston-Salem and Greensboro and from Greensboro to Raleigh, I-285 south of Winston-Salem, US-421 west of Winston-Salem and south of Greensboro, and US-52 north of Winston-Salem are still all only 65 mph (60 mph in the case of US-421 south of Greensboro), all highways that could also reasonable be increased to 70 mph. The only 70 mph segments out of the Triad are I-40 west of Winston-Salem, I-73 / I-74 south of Asheboro, and I-85 south and west of Greensboro.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sturmde on September 10, 2020, 04:19:31 PM
Probably best to leave NC-74 at 65 mph while it's still unconnected segments.  Maybe when it's complete from US-52 Future I-74 to US-421 Former I-40B would it make sense to raise that connecting to freeways at both ends to 70 mph.  Kind of an argument for 2023 though.
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A shame it's taking forever and a day... Although it seems like yesterday when I-40's new route south of W-S opened...  On the bright side, I-285 exists now!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on September 10, 2020, 05:01:18 PM
Quote from: sturmde on September 10, 2020, 04:19:31 PM
Probably best to leave NC-74 at 65 mph while it's still unconnected segments.  Maybe when it's complete from US-52 Future I-74 to US-421 Former I-40B would it make sense to raise that connecting to freeways at both ends to 70 mph.  Kind of an argument for 2023 though.
Once the Beltway is complete, the entire length of I-74 / Future I-74 from I-77 near Mt. Airy to I-73 near Asheboro should be posted at 70 mph.

And as I mentioned before, with the exception of through Greensboro, all of I-40 between Winston-Salem and Raleigh, all of I-73 between Asheboro and NC-68, again except through Greensboro, and US-421 southeast of Greensboro, should all be raised to 70 mph.

There's numerous segments of interstates and freeways around the state that still retain 65 mph and could adequately be increased to 70 mph. A system-wide study is warranted though NCDOT continues to raise them at a snail's pace one bite at a time.

I-85 around and south of Greensboro, I-40 west of Winston-Salem, I-73 / I-74 south of Asheboro, and US-29 / Future I-785 north of Greensboro are all currently posted at 70 mph.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 11, 2020, 09:10:29 PM
While we're waiting for someone to report on driving the new Beltway section, I have posted photos taken by David Johnson a couple days prior to opening along the route and adjacent roadways.  Here's the signage at the US 158 exit heading west:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmalmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi74seg4dj920k.jpg&hash=fc9b363cb3fc981517426fc9c1398c251a283628)

The remainder of the photos are at: http://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (http://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on September 12, 2020, 09:30:40 PM
When segments open like this, it's practically useless, or it just lures a few people from their houses onto the highway going to work. AADT would be 1,000 - 5,000 until the whole eastern segment (maybe not the salem parkway to I-74) is completed.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on September 12, 2020, 10:17:58 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on September 12, 2020, 09:30:40 PM
When segments open like this, it's practically useless, or it just lures a few people from their houses onto the highway going to work. AADT would be 1,000 - 5,000 until the whole eastern segment (maybe not the salem parkway to I-74) is completed.

With today's virtually incessant questioning/criticism of public expenditures, periodic openings of segments of this sort are intended not necessarily to be of great real value but more to let the public know that projects are being completed rather than just talked about.  A picture of actual non-construction vehicles rolling down a new freeway is worth the proverbial thousand words.  It also puts pressure on, in this case, NCDOT, to continue to make further progress on a similar schedule (although COVID will likely stretch the completion horizon out by several months if not over a year).  So the PR value of the first segment opened "morphs" into a "what have you done for me lately" situation that'll repeat itself until the full I-74 portion of the beltway is completed.       
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on September 13, 2020, 06:26:41 PM
Quote from: sparker on September 12, 2020, 10:17:58 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on September 12, 2020, 09:30:40 PM
When segments open like this, it's practically useless, or it just lures a few people from their houses onto the highway going to work. AADT would be 1,000 - 5,000 until the whole eastern segment (maybe not the salem parkway to I-74) is completed.

With today's virtually incessant questioning/criticism of public expenditures, periodic openings of segments of this sort are intended not necessarily to be of great real value but more to let the public know that projects are being completed rather than just talked about.  A picture of actual non-construction vehicles rolling down a new freeway is worth the proverbial thousand words.  It also puts pressure on, in this case, NCDOT, to continue to make further progress on a similar schedule (although COVID will likely stretch the completion horizon out by several months if not over a year).  So the PR value of the first segment opened "morphs" into a "what have you done for me lately" situation that'll repeat itself until the full I-74 portion of the beltway is completed.       
And consider the alternative: wouldn't the public be upset if a completed segment was not opened?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 13, 2020, 09:33:03 PM
Have now received photos taken along the open section of the Beltway from David Johnson. Here exiting onto, for now, NC 74 West from US 421 North (Salem Parkway West):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmalmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi74seg4dj920ccc.jpg&hash=68205952ef8d3cd9cc9abc1a0a3dca58b2bb22ea)

Rest of the photos at: http://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (http://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Dirt Roads on September 13, 2020, 09:42:06 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 31, 2020, 02:51:21 PMThe first 3 mile segment of the I-74 Winston-Salem Beltway between US-421 Salem Pkwy (former I-40 Business) and US-158 is on schedule to open likely this week.
Quote from: tolbs17 on September 12, 2020, 09:30:40 PM
When segments open like this, it's practically useless, or it just lures a few people from their houses onto the highway going to work. AADT would be 1,000 - 5,000 until the whole eastern segment (maybe not the salem parkway to I-74) is completed.
Quote from: sparker on September 12, 2020, 10:17:58 PM
With today's virtually incessant questioning/criticism of public expenditures, periodic openings of segments of this sort are intended not necessarily to be of great real value but more to let the public know that projects are being completed rather than just talked about.  A picture of actual non-construction vehicles rolling down a new freeway is worth the proverbial thousand words.  It also puts pressure on, in this case, NCDOT, to continue to make further progress on a similar schedule (although COVID will likely stretch the completion horizon out by several months if not over a year).  So the PR value of the first segment opened "morphs" into a "what have you done for me lately" situation that'll repeat itself until the full I-74 portion of the beltway is completed.       

It's about time.  In the past four years, NCDOT has gone from completing projects ahead of schedule to dragging out projects to a near standstill.  Continue this discussion in the North Carolina thread.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on September 14, 2020, 06:19:54 PM
part of the northern beltway is finally showing on the map

(a little sloppy of course, they are just starting off).

http://prntscr.com/uham19

This (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.128101,-80.1495159,14.17z)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on September 14, 2020, 06:27:52 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on September 14, 2020, 06:19:54 PM
part of the northern beltway is finally showing on the map

(a little sloppy of course, they are just starting off).

http://prntscr.com/uham19
The map is fine... it accurately represents what is open as of now. It's marked as a freeway facility and even has exit numbers marked.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 14, 2020, 06:48:56 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 14, 2020, 06:27:52 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on September 14, 2020, 06:19:54 PM
part of the northern beltway is finally showing on the map

(a little sloppy of course, they are just starting off).

http://prntscr.com/uham19
The map is fine... it accurately represents what is open as of now. It's marked as a freeway facility and even has exit numbers marked.

Isn't it missing the ramps from South(East) US-421 to NC-74 West?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on September 14, 2020, 06:54:56 PM
Maybe not enough vehicles have travelled the ramp yet.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on September 14, 2020, 07:08:09 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 14, 2020, 06:48:56 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 14, 2020, 06:27:52 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on September 14, 2020, 06:19:54 PM
part of the northern beltway is finally showing on the map

(a little sloppy of course, they are just starting off).

http://prntscr.com/uham19
The map is fine... it accurately represents what is open as of now. It's marked as a freeway facility and even has exit numbers marked.

Isn't it missing the ramps from South(East) US-421 to NC-74 West?
You're right, I was about to say. Open street maps shows it but google maps surprisingly doesn't.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on September 14, 2020, 08:20:36 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 14, 2020, 06:48:56 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 14, 2020, 06:27:52 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on September 14, 2020, 06:19:54 PM
part of the northern beltway is finally showing on the map

(a little sloppy of course, they are just starting off).

http://prntscr.com/uham19
The map is fine... it accurately represents what is open as of now. It's marked as a freeway facility and even has exit numbers marked.

Isn't it missing the ramps from South(East) US-421 to NC-74 West?
True...

I'm just amazed they didn't mark it as an arterial facility, without exit numbers, and with either no designation or I-74. They got everything right except that one ramp.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on September 14, 2020, 11:43:51 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 14, 2020, 08:20:36 PM
I'm just amazed they didn't mark it as an arterial facility, without exit numbers, and with either no designation or I-74.

Don't forget mapping the ramps as mainline roadway and not even connecting them to the other roads correctly.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on September 15, 2020, 08:55:53 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on September 14, 2020, 11:43:51 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 14, 2020, 08:20:36 PM
I'm just amazed they didn't mark it as an arterial facility, without exit numbers, and with either no designation or I-74.

Don't forget mapping the ramps as mainline roadway and not even connecting them to the other roads correctly.
You're talking about the C-D ramp?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on September 15, 2020, 09:54:34 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on September 15, 2020, 08:55:53 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on September 14, 2020, 11:43:51 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 14, 2020, 08:20:36 PM
I'm just amazed they didn't mark it as an arterial facility, without exit numbers, and with either no designation or I-74.

Don't forget mapping the ramps as mainline roadway and not even connecting them to the other roads correctly.
You're talking about the C-D ramp?

I'm talking about the way Google usually sloppily maps new roads. See the latest section of the I-295 Fayetteville Outer Loop at US 401.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 15, 2020, 06:14:42 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 14, 2020, 08:20:36 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 14, 2020, 06:48:56 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 14, 2020, 06:27:52 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on September 14, 2020, 06:19:54 PM
part of the northern beltway is finally showing on the map

(a little sloppy of course, they are just starting off).

http://prntscr.com/uham19
The map is fine... it accurately represents what is open as of now. It's marked as a freeway facility and even has exit numbers marked.

Isn't it missing the ramps from South(East) US-421 to NC-74 West?
True...

I'm just amazed they didn't mark it as an arterial facility, without exit numbers, and with either no designation or I-74. They got everything right except that one ramp.

Two ramps.  They also didn't have the NC-74 West to US-421 North(West) loop ramp on the C/D too, which did open providing a U-Turn movement for US-421 East to US-421 West.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on September 15, 2020, 06:29:39 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 15, 2020, 06:14:42 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 14, 2020, 08:20:36 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 14, 2020, 06:48:56 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 14, 2020, 06:27:52 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on September 14, 2020, 06:19:54 PM
part of the northern beltway is finally showing on the map

(a little sloppy of course, they are just starting off).

http://prntscr.com/uham19
The map is fine... it accurately represents what is open as of now. It's marked as a freeway facility and even has exit numbers marked.

Isn't it missing the ramps from South(East) US-421 to NC-74 West?
True...

I'm just amazed they didn't mark it as an arterial facility, without exit numbers, and with either no designation or I-74. They got everything right except that one ramp.

Two ramps.  They also didn't have the NC-74 West to US-421 North(West) loop ramp on the C/D too, which did open providing a U-Turn movement for US-421 East to US-421 West.
Yes, weird indeed.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on September 15, 2020, 08:18:41 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on September 15, 2020, 09:54:34 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on September 15, 2020, 08:55:53 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on September 14, 2020, 11:43:51 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 14, 2020, 08:20:36 PM
I'm just amazed they didn't mark it as an arterial facility, without exit numbers, and with either no designation or I-74.

Don't forget mapping the ramps as mainline roadway and not even connecting them to the other roads correctly.
You're talking about the C-D ramp?

I'm talking about the way Google usually sloppily maps new roads. See the latest section of the I-295 Fayetteville Outer Loop at US 401.
Ah, you mean this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0477098,-79.0422286,14.17z).

Yeah, has missing ramps and it looks like the main freeway alignment ends on the ramps!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 16, 2020, 12:29:18 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on September 15, 2020, 08:18:41 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on September 15, 2020, 09:54:34 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on September 15, 2020, 08:55:53 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on September 14, 2020, 11:43:51 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 14, 2020, 08:20:36 PM
I'm just amazed they didn't mark it as an arterial facility, without exit numbers, and with either no designation or I-74.

Don't forget mapping the ramps as mainline roadway and not even connecting them to the other roads correctly.
You're talking about the C-D ramp?

I'm talking about the way Google usually sloppily maps new roads. See the latest section of the I-295 Fayetteville Outer Loop at US 401.
Ah, you mean this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0477098,-79.0422286,14.17z).

Yeah, has missing ramps and it looks like the main freeway alignment ends on the ramps!

It's not their fault, highways end like that in India I bet!  :-D
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 20, 2020, 12:17:56 PM
I've posted some new photos from David Johnson taken along the rest of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway still under construction, such as this looking east from the new US 311 bridge:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmalmeroads.net%2Fi7374nc%2Fi74seg4dj920ddi74eastfromus311overpass.jpg&hash=40d6c53f677503268574b8577ba54b1857f54496)

The rest are on the I-74 Segment 4 page below the newly opened section photos: http://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (http://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)

I've also posted a link on the page to a video taken driving the newly open section in both directions, direct link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igh5oFk7ius (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igh5oFk7ius)

There are also new photos of construction of the future Beltway/US 52 interchange at:
http://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg3.html (http://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg3.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: architect77 on September 21, 2020, 01:52:46 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 10, 2020, 05:01:18 PM
Quote from: sturmde on September 10, 2020, 04:19:31 PM
Probably best to leave NC-74 at 65 mph while it's still unconnected segments.  Maybe when it's complete from US-52 Future I-74 to US-421 Former I-40B would it make sense to raise that connecting to freeways at both ends to 70 mph.  Kind of an argument for 2023 though.
Once the Beltway is complete, the entire length of I-74 / Future I-74 from I-77 near Mt. Airy to I-73 near Asheboro should be posted at 70 mph.

And as I mentioned before, with the exception of through Greensboro, all of I-40 between Winston-Salem and Raleigh, all of I-73 between Asheboro and NC-68, again except through Greensboro, and US-421 southeast of Greensboro, should all be raised to 70 mph.

There's numerous segments of interstates and freeways around the state that still retain 65 mph and could adequately be increased to 70 mph. A system-wide study is warranted though NCDOT continues to raise them at a snail's pace one bite at a time.

I-85 around and south of Greensboro, I-40 west of Winston-Salem, I-73 / I-74 south of Asheboro, and US-29 / Future I-785 north of Greensboro are all currently posted at 70 mph.

Given that up to 10 mph over the posted speed limit is acceptable, do you include that as part of your push for 70 mph postings? Are you only concerned about tickets traveling a little over the limit? For me, I don't have to worry about cops on road trips now because I'm fine doing 8 or 9 mph over the speed limit. I don't want to go faster. Thank goodness Georgia raised the posted speeds for Atlanta freeways, which used to be some of the fastest done by traffic as a whole. They could issue you a super speeder violation for 25 mph over the limit even though you were only going 5-10 faster than every one else. Now they are posted at 65mph at least.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on September 21, 2020, 04:59:46 PM
Quote from: architect77 on September 21, 2020, 01:52:46 PM
Given that up to 10 mph over the posted speed limit is acceptable, do you include that as part of your push for 70 mph postings? Are you only concerned about tickets traveling a little over the limit? For me, I don't have to worry about cops on road trips now because I'm fine doing 8 or 9 mph over the speed limit. I don't want to go faster.
The segments of interstate / freeway I've mentioned have design speeds of 70 mph. Additionally, factoring +10 mph, it's not uncommon to already see people drive around 80 mph on the 65 mph segments I've mentioned, and nearby 70 mph interstates see roughly the same thing, around 80 mph. On I-85 approaching the I-85 / I-40 overlap, the speed limit drops from 70 mph to 65 mph but nobody actually reduces their speed. They just go 15 mph over instead of 10 mph over, keeping with the flow or greater. Having driven on both 65 mph and 70 mph segments in the Triad in fact, quite recently in fact, I don't think increasing the speed limit would make much of an impact, it would simply bring the speed limit closer to reality (75 - 80 mph) and lower the differential between those following the speed limit and those driving reasonable speeds.

There's segments of 65 mph interstates in the Triad I would -not- recommend for 70 mph, given geometry and design overall that keep people generally at or under 75 mph.

After driving the new Winston-Salem beltway segment recently, I concur that it could easily be 70 mph. No sharp curative, relatively straight and wide roadway, easy to hit 80 mph. US-421 Salem Pkwy should also be increased from 60 mph to 65 mph (debatable if I'd go to 70 mph) between east of Downtown and I-40 near Greensboro. Driving that recently, most people were already driving around 75 mph, some even faster.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on September 25, 2020, 03:57:20 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-09-25-i-74-eastchester-ramp-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-09-25-i-74-eastchester-ramp-closures.aspx)

QuoteHIGH POINT — Work on the project to improve the Interstate 74 interchange with Eastchester Drive/N.C. 68 will require rerouting traffic overnight next week.

To remove portions of the N.C. 68 bridge, contract crews will have to close I-74 East at the interchange and the new loop from southbound N.C. 68 onto I-74 East.

The closures are scheduled to begin each night Sunday through Thursday with a single lane closure on I-74 East at 9 p.m. followed by full closures of the interstate and loop from 11 p.m. until 6 the following mornings.

Eastbound I-74 traffic will be directed up and over the N.C. 68 exit while the closure is in place, while traffic from N.C. 68 will be detoured up I-74 West to the Johnson Street exit to access I-74 East.

Drivers should be mindful of crews working near the flow of traffic in this area and factor the detour into their commute.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: I-55 on September 25, 2020, 05:56:05 PM
Quote from: architect77 on September 21, 2020, 01:52:46 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 10, 2020, 05:01:18 PM
Quote from: sturmde on September 10, 2020, 04:19:31 PM
Probably best to leave NC-74 at 65 mph while it's still unconnected segments.  Maybe when it's complete from US-52 Future I-74 to US-421 Former I-40B would it make sense to raise that connecting to freeways at both ends to 70 mph.  Kind of an argument for 2023 though.
Once the Beltway is complete, the entire length of I-74 / Future I-74 from I-77 near Mt. Airy to I-73 near Asheboro should be posted at 70 mph.

And as I mentioned before, with the exception of through Greensboro, all of I-40 between Winston-Salem and Raleigh, all of I-73 between Asheboro and NC-68, again except through Greensboro, and US-421 southeast of Greensboro, should all be raised to 70 mph.

There's numerous segments of interstates and freeways around the state that still retain 65 mph and could adequately be increased to 70 mph. A system-wide study is warranted though NCDOT continues to raise them at a snail's pace one bite at a time.

I-85 around and south of Greensboro, I-40 west of Winston-Salem, I-73 / I-74 south of Asheboro, and US-29 / Future I-785 north of Greensboro are all currently posted at 70 mph.

Given that up to 10 mph over the posted speed limit is acceptable, do you include that as part of your push for 70 mph postings? Are you only concerned about tickets traveling a little over the limit? For me, I don't have to worry about cops on road trips now because I'm fine doing 8 or 9 mph over the speed limit. I don't want to go faster. Thank goodness Georgia raised the posted speeds for Atlanta freeways, which used to be some of the fastest done by traffic as a whole. They could issue you a super speeder violation for 25 mph over the limit even though you were only going 5-10 faster than every one else. Now they are posted at 65mph at least.

The reason for speed limit increases is often to reflect the 85th percentile speed of traffic. This is usually to provoke the letter of the law drivers to drive closer to the average traffic speed. For people who don't care about the speed limit, or people who like to travel at particular speeds or to traffic conditions, this does nothing except reduce the difference between their speed and slower drivers by 5-10 mph.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on September 25, 2020, 09:34:58 PM
^

From my experience, people will drive around 75 - 80 mph along I-40 / I-85 east of Greensboro which is a 65 mph zone just as much as they would drive 75 - 80 mph along I-85 south of Greensboro which is a 70 mph zone. When they increased the speed limit on the southeastern portion of the Beltway years back, speeds didn't change much. Same with I-485 around Charlotte and I-540 around Raleigh which are now both 70 mph.

I find it amusing I-485 around Charlotte is 70 mph, but I-85 north of Charlotte, which was recently reconstructed from 4 to 8 lanes, is still 65 mph.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 26, 2020, 11:54:01 AM
Closures on I-74 in High Point related to NC 66 interchange improvements (this is also the AASHTO approved new route for US 70, but is not signed yet) next week:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-09-25-i-74-eastchester-ramp-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-09-25-i-74-eastchester-ramp-closures.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: architect77 on September 26, 2020, 03:50:19 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 25, 2020, 09:34:58 PM
^

From my experience, people will drive around 75 - 80 mph along I-40 / I-85 east of Greensboro which is a 65 mph zone just as much as they would drive 75 - 80 mph along I-85 south of Greensboro which is a 70 mph zone. When they increased the speed limit on the southeastern portion of the Beltway years back, speeds didn't change much. Same with I-485 around Charlotte and I-540 around Raleigh which are now both 70 mph.

I find it amusing I-485 around Charlotte is 70 mph, but I-85 north of Charlotte, which was recently reconstructed from 4 to 8 lanes, is still 65 mph.

I guess you should calculate the traffic volume every day per lane to see if that's behind the lower limit or perhaps all the freight in truck traffic on I-85 which is one of the nation's big industrial corridors.

I-485 on the East side of Charlotte isn't busy and quite tranquil comparatively.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on September 26, 2020, 04:04:29 PM
Quote from: architect77 on September 26, 2020, 03:50:19 PM
I guess you should calculate the traffic volume every day per lane to see if that's behind the lower limit or perhaps all the freight in truck traffic on I-85 which is one of the nation's big industrial corridors.
I-85 seems to operate just fine at 70 mph between Greensboro and Kannapolis, and between Durham and the Virginia state line (the segment north of Henderson recently raised from 65 mph to 70 mph).

In Virginia, virtually all of I-81 is posted at 70 mph, having only 4 lanes and high truck volumes, same with I-95 between Richmond and Fredericksburg having over 100,000 AADT and only 6 lanes. All of I-85 in Virginia is posted at 70 mph except the northern few miles in the Petersburg area where it's 60 mph. I-85 was the first interstate highway approved for a 70 mph posted speed limit in the state back in 2006, nothing else got increased until 2010.

Quote from: architect77 on September 26, 2020, 03:50:19 PM
I-485 on the East side of Charlotte isn't busy and quite tranquil comparatively.
How about I-485 on the north and west side? The entire I-485 loop is posted at 70 mph. The entire I-540 loop around Raleigh is also posted at 70 mph, a very busy roadway in areas.




North Carolina has been slowly increasing speed limits here and there from 65 mph to 70 mph, and I think there's some definite candidates in the central part of the state.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: architect77 on September 26, 2020, 04:16:22 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 26, 2020, 04:04:29 PM
Quote from: architect77 on September 26, 2020, 03:50:19 PM
I guess you should calculate the traffic volume every day per lane to see if that's behind the lower limit or perhaps all the freight in truck traffic on I-85 which is one of the nation's big industrial corridors.
I-85 seems to operate just fine at 70 mph between Greensboro and Kannapolis, and between Durham and the Virginia state line (the segment north of Henderson recently raised from 65 mph to 70 mph).

In Virginia, virtually all of I-81 is posted at 70 mph, having only 4 lanes and high truck volumes, same with I-95 between Richmond and Fredericksburg having over 100,000 AADT and only 6 lanes. All of I-85 in Virginia is posted at 70 mph except the northern few miles in the Petersburg area where it's 60 mph. I-85 was the first interstate highway approved for a 70 mph posted speed limit in the state back in 2006, nothing else got increased until 2010.

Quote from: architect77 on September 26, 2020, 03:50:19 PM
I-485 on the East side of Charlotte isn't busy and quite tranquil comparatively.
How about I-485 on the north and west side? The entire I-485 loop is posted at 70 mph. The entire I-540 loop around Raleigh is also posted at 70 mph, a very busy roadway in areas.




North Carolina has been slowly increasing speed limits here and there from 65 mph to 70 mph, and I think there's some definite candidates in the central part of the state.
It could be an oversight that won't be corrected soon if money is tight. I don't know. Y'all seem to be focused on the posted speeds, but I don't even pay attention anymore. It's a small inconvenience to slow down a tad to avoid a ticket. Now if it was a speed trap being exploited by cops then I'd start getting mad.

Virginia is more concentrated cities and more rural inbetween than NC, also not as industrial. Any posted speed from Durham to the VA line is trivial since you don't really get into populated NC until Durham. I grew up not far from there in Louisburg. Creedmoor is where i exit to go home.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on December 22, 2020, 04:11:04 PM
The next section of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway between US-158 and US-311 near Walkertown will open tomorrow evening.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-12-22-winston-salem-beltway-section-opens.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-12-22-winston-salem-beltway-section-opens.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 31, 2020, 11:31:39 PM
For those looking for something to do during New Year's Eve 2020, I've posted my annual I-73/I-74 and NC Future Interstates Year in Review on the Gribblenation.org Blog:
http://www.gribblenation.org/2020/12/i-73i-74-and-nc-future-interstates-year.html (http://www.gribblenation.org/2020/12/i-73i-74-and-nc-future-interstates-year.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 14, 2021, 11:26:53 AM
Upcoming closures on US 52 due to Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74) interchange construction:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2021/2021-01-13-us-52-nc-65-beltway-detours.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2021/2021-01-13-us-52-nc-65-beltway-detours.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: RoadPelican on March 10, 2021, 08:52:54 PM
The speed limit on I-73 has just been raised from 55 to 65 MPH in the area of Piedmont Triad International Airport within the last couple of days.  Now I-73 is at least 65 MPH throughout it's whole length in NC.

Also, the expressway that goes east to southeast from the I-840/I-73 Junction into Greensboro (Bryan Blvd) has also just had it's speed limit raised from 55 to 65.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on March 11, 2021, 01:20:11 AM
Quote from: RoadPelican on March 10, 2021, 08:52:54 PM
The speed limit on I-73 has just been raised from 55 to 65 MPH in the area of Piedmont Triad International Airport within the last couple of days.  Now I-73 is at least 65 MPH throughout it's whole length in NC.

Also, the expressway that goes east to southeast from the I-840/I-73 Junction into Greensboro (Bryan Blvd) has also just had it's speed limit raised from 55 to 65.
A very nice change indeed, not expected, especially on Bryan Blvd if it's now 65 mph all the way into Greensboro. Ironically, this stretch will now be faster than 60 mph on parts of I-40 that have a straighter alignment inside the beltway.

Now, can they raise the northern I-73 / US-220 overlap from 60 mph to 65 mph, NC-68 from 55 mph to 65 mph between I-40 and I-73, US-421 southeast of Greensboro from 60 mph to 65 mph, and US-421 Salem Pkwy between I-40 and Downtown Winston-Salem from 60 mph to 65 mph?

At least US-421 southeast of Greensboro and northern I-73 make more sense than even these official increases they just did (not saying I'm against those, just make less sense from a system wide perspective)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on March 11, 2021, 02:16:05 AM
Quote from: RoadPelican on March 10, 2021, 08:52:54 PM
Now I-73 is at least 65 MPH throughout it's whole length in NC.
For the most part, it is still 60 mph on its northern portion that was upgraded along existing US-220, unless that has finally been raised in the past year, plus a small 55 mph segment just south of I-85.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 11, 2021, 11:00:34 AM
QuoteNC-68 from 55 mph to 65 mph between I-40 and I-73

I could only see this if the lights at I-40 and the intersection just north of this were ever removed.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on March 11, 2021, 12:06:47 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on March 11, 2021, 11:00:34 AM
QuoteNC-68 from 55 mph to 65 mph between I-40 and I-73

I could only see this if the lights at I-40 and the intersection just north of this were ever removed.
The 3 mile segment between Triad Center Dr (the intersection just north of I-40) and Pleasant Ridge Rd (where I-73 crosses NC-68) should be raised to at least 60 mph.

A similar roadway with the same design, Aviation Pkwy, in the Raleigh-Durham metro serves as a 2 mile long connector between Briar Creek Pkwy and I-540 to RDU Airport and is posted at 60 mph.

Both roadways are limited access highways and can legally be posted up to 70 mph per state law.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on March 31, 2021, 09:39:48 PM
On the built and unopened alignments, it looks like you can walk or ride your bike on these bridges. (I've done it before, it was on the 10th st connector)

(https://gyazo.com/79bed8ac5df3a5d5aeca2c86a1861a2a.png)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: fillup420 on April 01, 2021, 06:17:43 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 31, 2021, 09:39:48 PM
On the built and unopened alignments, it looks like you can walk or ride your bike on these bridges. (I've done it before, it was on the 10th st connector)

(https://gyazo.com/79bed8ac5df3a5d5aeca2c86a1861a2a.png)

where exactly is this picture of?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on April 01, 2021, 06:29:23 PM
Quote from: fillup420 on April 01, 2021, 06:17:43 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 31, 2021, 09:39:48 PM
On the built and unopened alignments, it looks like you can walk or ride your bike on these bridges. (I've done it before, it was on the 10th st connector)

(https://gyazo.com/79bed8ac5df3a5d5aeca2c86a1861a2a.png)

where exactly is this picture of?
I-40, eastern leg of the beltway. I was saying on the unopened alignment, you can walk or ride your bike on it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 01, 2021, 08:03:47 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 01, 2021, 06:29:23 PM
Quote from: fillup420 on April 01, 2021, 06:17:43 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 31, 2021, 09:39:48 PM
On the built and unopened alignments, it looks like you can walk or ride your bike on these bridges. (I've done it before, it was on the 10th st connector)

(https://gyazo.com/79bed8ac5df3a5d5aeca2c86a1861a2a.png)

where exactly is this picture of?
I-40, eastern leg of the beltway. I was saying on the unopened alignment, you can walk or ride your bike on it.

Hope you enjoy the State Police putting a smackdown on ya for attempting it. lol. :spin:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: fillup420 on April 01, 2021, 08:18:13 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 01, 2021, 08:03:47 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 01, 2021, 06:29:23 PM
Quote from: fillup420 on April 01, 2021, 06:17:43 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 31, 2021, 09:39:48 PM
On the built and unopened alignments, it looks like you can walk or ride your bike on these bridges. (I've done it before, it was on the 10th st connector)


where exactly is this picture of?
I-40, eastern leg of the beltway. I was saying on the unopened alignment, you can walk or ride your bike on it.

Hope you enjoy the State Police putting a smackdown on ya for attempting it. lol. :spin:

They won't notice or care. I have ridden on the unfinished east end connector in durham more than once and no one seemed to care. I want to go ride this one too
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on April 01, 2021, 09:31:10 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 01, 2021, 08:03:47 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 01, 2021, 06:29:23 PM
Quote from: fillup420 on April 01, 2021, 06:17:43 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 31, 2021, 09:39:48 PM
On the built and unopened alignments, it looks like you can walk or ride your bike on these bridges. (I've done it before, it was on the 10th st connector)

(https://gyazo.com/79bed8ac5df3a5d5aeca2c86a1861a2a.png)

where exactly is this picture of?
I-40, eastern leg of the beltway. I was saying on the unopened alignment, you can walk or ride your bike on it.

Hope you enjoy the State Police putting a smackdown on ya for attempting it. lol. :spin:
I've done it on the 10th St connector and it was not open, and I didn't get in any trouble.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/mIsuhLNntbam00UeuW8Apkwmwrdi3GDUmZxcnBqzdpoW_1932lOtUoIwLnOZSO75mKN0J_pS-SXQCxFp3UiTQRL1BqI0-m_RtiPIgwlx6IxM-71HIYje0UN0lD0wPuYCO8678OX1DgqPp4qQggqSdpeYKQ0DG7h-IfvwUS8cyvT5TkY1S31CTYfAnANcv2NZXs4oLGj_DkdgtRuDYg1VXqpT5aBtIQ9bGQ3cKY37wd4kLEuHThdWHQMpXWMpBZ30U4YOINTugSbXn5urC-p52RMisKXLlMmhL13p_bL5ix2qIjxaXR36ohHcHElLv-i6LBjVBE_xc-SG6YCvqnNZqiaKnZl0g0yKuhKkHiHRCWRkdbCjFZsBg0KPeobrcdB1QFT8CZJDyBJUkmDXZh010EPtFS0jpdnt5feAddg766ONMWD2MKRf2QkW99IeF9NuXL1bxhAxGlhUkLcoSP0VrX_m88hviCIna8kFzQ-ZRguhaX9sUgzmx-L7WX3ZciNgG3gbSymbFmgL88Lj4zbd44kHnvMu6QSg6wJRmfZMTWAn2rjam0adraieZS6A0-ugbVK9tMCoeRpn4t11B_KuReUdyNSUxMBTplIm4Ijh3KFMM6alvDGX_0VB4eQIjfk0B5ZydzK21gnrtJxdwmoviZjYXuGPbdzAMPFzU5IdSoFAYwzs-drfeuQ3ps0sLAU8Pbpa8oe2rPeuzqL9jLS5Nbcm=w1666-h937-no?authuser=0.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 02, 2021, 02:25:17 AM
Quote from: fillup420 on April 01, 2021, 08:18:13 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 01, 2021, 08:03:47 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 01, 2021, 06:29:23 PM
Quote from: fillup420 on April 01, 2021, 06:17:43 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 31, 2021, 09:39:48 PM
On the built and unopened alignments, it looks like you can walk or ride your bike on these bridges. (I've done it before, it was on the 10th st connector)


where exactly is this picture of?
I-40, eastern leg of the beltway. I was saying on the unopened alignment, you can walk or ride your bike on it.

Hope you enjoy the State Police putting a smackdown on ya for attempting it. lol. :spin:

They won't notice or care. I have ridden on the unfinished east end connector in durham more than once and no one seemed to care. I want to go ride this one too

A few people here got in trouble with the PA State Police when they did some stuff on PA Turnpike 576 before it was opened (and before the open house event).  And this was the original segment, not the part that was part of the Pittsburgh roadmeet in 2019.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on April 07, 2021, 11:20:47 AM
This part does not meet interstate standards and that's probably why they didn't want to make it an I-x74. The shoulders are only 4 ft wide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Highway_192

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on April 07, 2021, 09:09:17 PM
Seems like NCDOT did a mistake and forgot to raise the speed limit from 65 to 70 on this segment...  :D

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0454483,-79.905108,3a,74.2y,99.36h,91.74t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sQvSw9J7SAXzLiAbaGTct9Q!2e0!5s20190701T000000!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on April 07, 2021, 09:13:43 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 07, 2021, 09:09:17 PM
Seems like NCDOT did a mistake and forgot to raise the speed limit from 65 to 70 on this segment...  :D

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0454483,-79.905108,3a,74.2y,99.36h,91.74t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sQvSw9J7SAXzLiAbaGTct9Q!2e0!5s20190701T000000!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en
The southwestern segment of the loop, it seems like it may be a little to curvy and urban to handle an official 70 mph limit. I'd much rather see I-73 north and south of Greensboro, I-40/85 east of Greensboro, and US-421 southeast of the city increased to 70 mph before something like that portion.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on April 07, 2021, 09:23:41 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 07, 2021, 09:13:43 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 07, 2021, 09:09:17 PM
Seems like NCDOT did a mistake and forgot to raise the speed limit from 65 to 70 on this segment...  :D

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0454483,-79.905108,3a,74.2y,99.36h,91.74t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sQvSw9J7SAXzLiAbaGTct9Q!2e0!5s20190701T000000!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en
The southwestern segment of the loop, it seems like it may be a little to curvy and urban to handle an official 70 mph limit. I'd much rather see I-73 north and south of Greensboro, I-40/85 east of Greensboro, and US-421 southeast of the city increased to 70 mph before something like that portion.
well, look at I-540 in northeast Raleigh. That's also a little curvy.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on April 07, 2021, 10:19:53 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 07, 2021, 09:23:41 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 07, 2021, 09:13:43 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 07, 2021, 09:09:17 PM
Seems like NCDOT did a mistake and forgot to raise the speed limit from 65 to 70 on this segment...  :D

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0454483,-79.905108,3a,74.2y,99.36h,91.74t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sQvSw9J7SAXzLiAbaGTct9Q!2e0!5s20190701T000000!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en
The southwestern segment of the loop, it seems like it may be a little to curvy and urban to handle an official 70 mph limit. I'd much rather see I-73 north and south of Greensboro, I-40/85 east of Greensboro, and US-421 southeast of the city increased to 70 mph before something like that portion.
well, look at I-540 in northeast Raleigh. That's also a little curvy.
I'd say that road is much straighter overall, and more rural in nature. I've had no issues hitting 80 mph or greater there, compared to the I-73 segment where it started feeling tight in some areas above 75 mph.

Not saying it couldn't be 70 mph, but not my first candidate compared to other roads. The part of the urban loop that was increased to 70 mph - I-85 - much straighter, more gentle curvature, rural, etc. overall.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on April 11, 2021, 12:16:29 PM
So, after 2 years this (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1348433,-79.9651263,3a,75y,31.97h,67.78t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sKgY02pGcYRCwScmz6nIuNg!2e0!5s20190901T000000!7i16384!8i8192) section gets repaved again. xD Why though?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Dirt Roads on April 11, 2021, 02:49:33 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 11, 2021, 12:16:29 PM
So, after 2 years this (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1348433,-79.9651263,3a,75y,31.97h,67.78t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sKgY02pGcYRCwScmz6nIuNg!2e0!5s20190901T000000!7i16384!8i8192) section gets repaved again. xD Why though?

IIRC, that section was constructed back in 2014-15.  The pavement already looked quite worn when I-73 was first posted on that section in early 2018.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on April 11, 2021, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on April 11, 2021, 02:49:33 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 11, 2021, 12:16:29 PM
So, after 2 years this (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1348433,-79.9651263,3a,75y,31.97h,67.78t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sKgY02pGcYRCwScmz6nIuNg!2e0!5s20190901T000000!7i16384!8i8192) section gets repaved again. xD Why though?

IIRC, that section was constructed back in 2014-15.  The pavement already looked quite worn when I-73 was first posted on that section in early 2018.
It opened in 2017. And it got repaved in 2019. Maybe the asphalt they used on it was too thin
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Dirt Roads on April 11, 2021, 03:52:24 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 11, 2021, 12:16:29 PM
So, after 2 years this (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1348433,-79.9651263,3a,75y,31.97h,67.78t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sKgY02pGcYRCwScmz6nIuNg!2e0!5s20190901T000000!7i16384!8i8192) section gets repaved again. xD Why though?

Quote from: Dirt Roads on April 11, 2021, 02:49:33 PM
IIRC, that section was constructed back in 2014-15.  The pavement already looked quite worn when I-73 was first posted on that section in early 2018.

Quote from: tolbs17 on April 11, 2021, 03:02:55 PM
It opened in 2017. And it got repaved in 2019. Maybe the asphalt they used on it was too thin

Indeed, this section north of NC-68 first opened in late 2017 and your particular exit was completed even earlier that same year.  But NCDOT did not post I-73 on this stretch until March 2018.  You might be correct about new pavement in 2019.  The most recent photos from David Johnson (posted on Bob Malme's website) still showed old pavement as of May 2019.  I haven't driven this segment since sometime around then.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 22, 2021, 12:18:07 PM
I've posted photos of I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass construction courtesy of Nick Schaut, including:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11ns421b.jpg)

on my I-73 Segment 11 page: https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 23, 2021, 12:02:59 PM
NCDOT announces a temporary redesign of two Columbus County intersections (Chauncey Town Road and Old Lake Road) on US 74/76 (Future I-74) east of Whiteville to reduced-conflict intersections starting in June. They will be upgraded to an interstate standard interchange and bridge starting in July 2022:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2021/2021-04-23-columbus-county-intersections.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2021/2021-04-23-columbus-county-intersections.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on April 27, 2021, 08:17:55 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on April 23, 2021, 12:02:59 PM
NCDOT announces a temporary redesign of two Columbus County intersections (Chauncey Town Road and Old Lake Road) on US 74/76 (Future I-74) east of Whiteville to reduced-conflict intersections starting in June. They will be upgraded to an interstate standard interchange and bridge starting in July 2022:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2021/2021-04-23-columbus-county-intersections.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2021/2021-04-23-columbus-county-intersections.aspx)

Now that's refreshing -- usually these "temporary/interim" installations grow cobwebs while the final (in this case, Interstate-grade) configuration is procrastinated out to what seems forever -- good to see NCDOT has a near-term plan and this "J-turn" variant has a limited timespan.   Step in the right direction!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 04, 2021, 10:50:40 AM
NCDOT has awarded a contract to build a new interchange on US-74 in Boardman. This project will convert the Old Boardman Road/Macedonia Church Road intersection into an interchange. Completion is expected by the fall of 2024.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2021/2021-05-04-columbus-county-us-74-interchange.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2021/2021-05-04-columbus-county-us-74-interchange.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MillTheRoadgeek on May 19, 2021, 01:27:39 PM
I'm not very experienced with this area, but how are they to tie NC-74 and I-74 together in between US 421 and I-40? I have seen plans that suggest the highway will continue directly south to join somewhere along the existing I-74, although I don't know what exactly they built the stubs on the current 74/40 interchange for. I'm sure connecting through both ways will change the landscape and take over quite a bit of property, just doesn't seem like the area's built for it to my observations.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 19, 2021, 02:06:46 PM
NC 74 (Future I-74) will connect to the existing I-74 between Union Cross Rd and Ridgewood Rd with interchanges at Kernersville Rd and I-40 along the way.

As of the current I-74/I-40 interchange (Exit 196), that section of the road will eventually be extended up to where US 421 and US 158 split, but as a surface street. However, it may not be built in our lifetime, but that is their current plan. The road will be designed as NC 192 once the I-74 beltway is connected to the existing I-74.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MillTheRoadgeek on May 19, 2021, 03:06:54 PM
Quote from: Strider on May 19, 2021, 02:06:46 PM
NC 74 (Future I-74) will connect to the existing I-74 between Union Cross Rd and Ridgewood Rd with interchanges at Kernersville Rd and I-40 along the way.

As of the current I-74/I-40 interchange (Exit 196), that section of the road will eventually be extended up to where US 421 and US 158 split, but as a surface street. However, it may not be built in our lifetime, but that is their current plan. The road will be designed as NC 192 once the I-74 beltway is connected to the existing I-74.

I still imagine it will take quite a toll on whatever's between 421 and 40. I do hope to see detailed plans someday, and I wonder if any similar NC highways have undergone these type of obstacles.

Also wow... I can't believe that Exit 196 extension isn't to open for a while. They should definitely make the northbound 74 ramps as well.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on May 19, 2021, 03:44:02 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/wsnb/Pages/eastern-section-maps.aspx

Maps 6 and 7 are the segment between I-74 and I-40.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on May 19, 2021, 04:10:36 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 19, 2021, 03:44:02 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/wsnb/Pages/eastern-section-maps.aspx

Maps 6 and 7 are the segment between I-74 and I-40.
The real question is where did NC-192 come from?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on May 19, 2021, 08:40:21 PM
Maybe this Wikipedia entry will help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Highway_192.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on May 19, 2021, 08:55:31 PM
Thought I recently read that the 40 to 421 section was going to bid by the end of the year.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 19, 2021, 11:04:42 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on May 19, 2021, 08:55:31 PM
Thought I recently read that the 40 to 421 section was going to bid by the end of the year.
Yes, the latest NCDOT Tentative 12-month letting list still indicates the winning bidder for the project will be announced on December 21. The project will be advertised 8 weeks before in October.

The final Beltway Eastern Section segment from I-74 to I-40 currently is to be let on October 18, 2022.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on May 19, 2021, 11:30:19 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on May 19, 2021, 11:04:42 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on May 19, 2021, 08:55:31 PM
Thought I recently read that the 40 to 421 section was going to bid by the end of the year.
Yes, the latest NCDOT Tentative 12-month letting list still indicates the winning bidder for the project will be announced on December 21. The project will be advertised 8 weeks before in October.

The final Beltway Eastern Section segment from I-74 to I-40 currently is to be let on October 18, 2022.

I thought that was the date:  I just started watching the NCDot bid list to stay informed of the delayed Sugar Loaf Rd Bridge that has been let in the last few weeks, it is about 1.5 miles from my house.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 20, 2021, 05:25:06 PM
Keep in mind that the section of W-S Eastern Beltway between I-40 and current I-74 may not be the final plans. Since NCDOT is cash-strapped (as far as we know right now, they are), plans can change at anytime.

IMO, the flyovers between the planned I-74/I-40 interchange is a little too much. Besides there is also a planned full interchange between the current I-74 and the future WSEB which also includes flyovers. Don't be surprised if they change that into something else.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on May 20, 2021, 09:23:35 PM
Quote from: Strider on May 20, 2021, 05:25:06 PM
Keep in mind that the section of W-S Eastern Beltway between I-40 and current I-74 may not be the final plans. Since NCDOT is cash-strapped (as far as we know right now, they are), plans can change at anytime.

IMO, the flyovers between the planned I-74/I-40 interchange is a little too much. Besides there is also a planned full interchange between the current I-74 and the future WSEB which also includes flyovers. Don't be surprised if they change that into something else.
Could be modified into a cloverleaf interchange with collector/distributor roads. And I agree. A 3-level stack seems a little overbuilt.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on May 20, 2021, 09:28:01 PM
Agreed, I can't think of any movements at the I-74 / I-40 interchange that will warrant flyovers, except MAYBE I-40 East to I-74 North. They are all served by other connecting freeways, the only use would be local traffic.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on May 20, 2021, 10:07:15 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 20, 2021, 09:28:01 PM
Agreed, I can't think of any movements at the I-74 / I-40 interchange that will warrant flyovers, except MAYBE I-40 East to I-74 North. They are all served by other connecting freeways, the only use would be local traffic.
And they already demolished shit in the way to make room for the interchange.

Unless they were planning to NOT put an interchange at business 40 AT ALL!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on May 21, 2021, 03:04:39 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on May 20, 2021, 10:07:15 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 20, 2021, 09:28:01 PM
Agreed, I can't think of any movements at the I-74 / I-40 interchange that will warrant flyovers, except MAYBE I-40 East to I-74 North. They are all served by other connecting freeways, the only use would be local traffic.
And they already demolished shit in the way to make room for the interchange.

Unless they were planning to NOT put an interchange at business 40 AT ALL!

Because of the NC 192 connector, the only plausible need for any flyover would be from EB 74 to EB 40; the remainder would more than adequately be served by a cloverleaf with C/D lanes.  And even that could be done with a "turbine"- style ramp rather than a high flyover.  Even though it's not going to be let for over a year, are there any publicly available plans for the interchange that could be posted here? 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on May 21, 2021, 03:51:16 AM
Quote from: sparker on May 21, 2021, 03:04:39 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on May 20, 2021, 10:07:15 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 20, 2021, 09:28:01 PM
Agreed, I can't think of any movements at the I-74 / I-40 interchange that will warrant flyovers, except MAYBE I-40 East to I-74 North. They are all served by other connecting freeways, the only use would be local traffic.
And they already demolished shit in the way to make room for the interchange.

Unless they were planning to NOT put an interchange at business 40 AT ALL!

Because of the NC 192 connector, the only plausible need for any flyover would be from EB 74 to EB 40; the remainder would more than adequately be served by a cloverleaf with C/D lanes.  And even that could be done with a "turbine"- style ramp rather than a high flyover.  Even though it's not going to be let for over a year, are there any publicly available plans for the interchange that could be posted here?
Even I-74 East to I-40 East doesn't need a flyover, because of the I-74 East to I-40 Business / US-421 East connection.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on May 21, 2021, 11:51:26 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 21, 2021, 03:51:16 AM
Quote from: sparker on May 21, 2021, 03:04:39 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on May 20, 2021, 10:07:15 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 20, 2021, 09:28:01 PM
Agreed, I can't think of any movements at the I-74 / I-40 interchange that will warrant flyovers, except MAYBE I-40 East to I-74 North. They are all served by other connecting freeways, the only use would be local traffic.
And they already demolished shit in the way to make room for the interchange.

Unless they were planning to NOT put an interchange at business 40 AT ALL!

Because of the NC 192 connector, the only plausible need for any flyover would be from EB 74 to EB 40; the remainder would more than adequately be served by a cloverleaf with C/D lanes.  And even that could be done with a "turbine"- style ramp rather than a high flyover.  Even though it's not going to be let for over a year, are there any publicly available plans for the interchange that could be posted here?
Even I-74 East to I-40 East doesn't need a flyover, because of the I-74 East to I-40 Business / US-421 East connection.
From I-40 west to I-74 West, that can warrant a flyover because its part of the southern beltway
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 21, 2021, 12:52:20 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 20, 2021, 09:28:01 PM
Agreed, I can't think of any movements at the I-74 / I-40 interchange that will warrant flyovers, except MAYBE I-40 East to I-74 North. They are all served by other connecting freeways, the only use would be local traffic.

I agree. I could see I-40 East to I-74 West (North) or I-74 East (South) to I-40 East could use flyovers, but the rest should just be loop ramps... especially with the proposed current I-74/WSEB interchange just south of I-40. Drivers can easily access I-40 West by going on Future NC 192 West, therefore the flyover ramps at the proposed I-40/I-74 interchange is not really needed except what you mentioned.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 21, 2021, 12:55:18 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 21, 2021, 03:51:16 AM
Quote from: sparker on May 21, 2021, 03:04:39 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on May 20, 2021, 10:07:15 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 20, 2021, 09:28:01 PM
Agreed, I can't think of any movements at the I-74 / I-40 interchange that will warrant flyovers, except MAYBE I-40 East to I-74 North. They are all served by other connecting freeways, the only use would be local traffic.
And they already demolished shit in the way to make room for the interchange.

Unless they were planning to NOT put an interchange at business 40 AT ALL!

Because of the NC 192 connector, the only plausible need for any flyover would be from EB 74 to EB 40; the remainder would more than adequately be served by a cloverleaf with C/D lanes.  And even that could be done with a "turbine"- style ramp rather than a high flyover.  Even though it's not going to be let for over a year, are there any publicly available plans for the interchange that could be posted here?
Even I-74 East to I-40 East doesn't need a flyover, because of the I-74 East to I-40 Business / US-421 East connection.

Yeah, you're right.. the flyovers may not be needed for I-74E to I-40E due to US 421 connection, especially since US 421 will be widening to 6 lanes in the future.

However, I think it is still needed. The same goes for I-40E to I-74W (going north).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on May 21, 2021, 02:17:53 PM
Quote from: Strider on May 21, 2021, 12:55:18 PM
The same goes for I-40E to I-74W (going north).
I agree with this one. But any of the others are going to get very low utilization.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 21, 2021, 03:58:42 PM
When is this boondoggle pork barrel project be completed?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on May 21, 2021, 04:36:22 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 21, 2021, 03:58:42 PM
When this boondoggle pork barrel project be completed?
The I-73 / I-74 corridor through North Carolina has a lot of viability and useful regional connections. It's hardly a "pork barrel project"... but what would I expect from someone who opposes virtually any new highway expansion, let alone any mention of a...  :no: "new freeway"  :-o
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: RoadPelican on May 21, 2021, 08:52:45 PM
I would say "yes" the Winston Salem Beltway segment from I-74 to US 421 (old BUS 40) is definitely needed.  Anything NCDOT can do to keep traffic off of US 52 in Downtown Winston is an asset for the region.  This will be great N-S bypass of Winston when finished in 2025 especially all those truckers and cars from Ohio and Michigan who take the I-74 corridor to get to the NC beaches.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: cowboy_wilhelm on May 22, 2021, 11:31:24 AM
Quote from: RoadPelican on May 21, 2021, 08:52:45 PM
I would say "yes" the Winston Salem Beltway segment from I-74 to US 421 (old BUS 40) is definitely needed.  Anything NCDOT can do to keep traffic off of US 52 in Downtown Winston is an asset for the region.  This will be great N-S bypass of Winston when finished in 2025 especially all those truckers and cars from Ohio and Michigan who take the I-74 corridor to get to the NC beaches.

Agreed. Went through there at a non-peak time heading to I-77 and thought what in the world is with this cluster?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on May 22, 2021, 03:27:21 PM
Quote from: cowboy_wilhelm on May 22, 2021, 11:31:24 AM
Quote from: RoadPelican on May 21, 2021, 08:52:45 PM
I would say "yes" the Winston Salem Beltway segment from I-74 to US 421 (old BUS 40) is definitely needed.  Anything NCDOT can do to keep traffic off of US 52 in Downtown Winston is an asset for the region.  This will be great N-S bypass of Winston when finished in 2025 especially all those truckers and cars from Ohio and Michigan who take the I-74 corridor to get to the NC beaches.

Agreed. Went through there at a non-peak time heading to I-77 and thought what in the world is with this cluster?

Hence one of the reasons the corridor was cobbled together in the early '90's.  Like I-69 off to the west, it too was an amalgam of local and regional proposals assembled to garner political support from multiple areas.  But unlike I-69, which has seen actual developmental activity at its southwest end in TX as well as development in its NE section involving TN, KY, and IN (leaving the middle to "more leisurely" projects), only NC has seen fit to engage in such development (with SC's sections seemingly bogged down in controversy and funding issues); anything from WV north remains a dotted line on a planning map reflecting lack of state/local interest in the corridor (not that any of this is current news, simply ongoing reality).  However, if the corridor can positively affect local congestion situations in the areas is is being deployed (such as this one in W-S), then it has some benefit despite it being a bit too ambitious (and/or presumptive) on a national level.   
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MillTheRoadgeek on May 22, 2021, 04:54:09 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 19, 2021, 03:44:02 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/wsnb/Pages/eastern-section-maps.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/wsnb/Pages/eastern-section-maps.aspx)

Maps 6 and 7 are the segment between I-74 and I-40.
It's more clear for me now, but I'm surprised at how it'll alter the local landscape. https://journalnow.com/news/local/houses-to-face-demolition-in-path-of-beltway/article_9a1e80cc-a74a-5e01-9bb0-0e3395a60700.html Looks like some of those homes were bought out starting around 2006 even. I would be quite surprised if those homes were built in the 2000s-early 2010s, only to be rased en masse just 5-20 years later. Any such happenings for any of the newer NC freeways?
Quote from: Strider on May 20, 2021, 05:25:06 PM
Keep in mind that the section of W-S Eastern Beltway between I-40 and current I-74 may not be the final plans. Since NCDOT is cash-strapped (as far as we know right now, they are), plans can change at anytime.

IMO, the flyovers between the planned I-74/I-40 interchange is a little too much. Besides there is also a planned full interchange between the current I-74 and the future WSEB which also includes flyovers. Don't be surprised if they change that into something else.
Good point. I'd rather leave movements from the southern side of I-74 to future NC-192 while the actual 74/40 crossing can handle northbound movements. Don't know if traffic warrants a full 74/40 interchange, however.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: architect77 on May 23, 2021, 07:55:13 AM
It's a policy that for many years a small portion of annual funding go into the loop fund so that for a lifetime of paying gas taxes, all cities in the state with traffic problems can get a loop or partial loop which will improve connectivity because by definition it's one road that accesses all the roads. It's deemed to be very efficient by the state.

In the far future I think smaller towns might get some of this effort if it's worthwhile and helpful to the immediate area.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on May 24, 2021, 01:39:29 PM
Quote from: architect77 on May 23, 2021, 07:55:13 AM
It's a policy that for many years a small portion of annual funding go into the loop fund so that for a lifetime of paying gas taxes, all cities in the state with traffic problems can get a loop or partial loop which will improve connectivity because by definition it's one road that accesses all the roads. It's deemed to be very efficient by the state.

In the far future I think smaller towns might get some of this effort if it's worthwhile and helpful to the immediate area.

Going in the other direction -- it might be considered appropriate for a few of the larger composite metro areas, such as the so-called "Research Triangle" -- to consider a larger/wider-radius loop, since a number of current projects (I/NC 540, for instance) actually, at least in part, bisect the overall area.  This could be applied to the aforementioned area, a composite W/S-Greensboro/High Point facility, and even a more "linear" metro developmental area, like Charlotte west through Shelby.  These could utilize existing loops such as 540 or 485 in part but extend outward from them if deemed more efficient to do so.  Seeing as how current loop configurations (in NC as well as elsewhere) tend to get subsumed by development; outer loops -- with limitations on number/spacing of interchanges and accompanied by local zoning that prohibits or strictly limits commercial development along the corridor's length -- might be a useful way to divert traffic that doesn't need or want to access the city centers around the periphery.   
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on May 24, 2021, 03:39:05 PM
Once the Interstate 74 segment of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway is completed, how long might it be before construction of the Interstate 274 segment commences?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 24, 2021, 08:39:59 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 24, 2021, 03:39:05 PM
Once the Interstate 74 segment of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway is completed, how long might it be before construction of the Interstate 274 segment commences?

I think the construction for the future I-274 will start sometime after the WSNB Eastern section is finished. I also believe the entire Western section of the beltway is funded and ready to go... unless otherwise.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 24, 2021, 11:38:09 PM
Quote from: Strider on May 24, 2021, 08:39:59 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 24, 2021, 03:39:05 PM
Once the Interstate 74 segment of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway is completed, how long might it be before construction of the Interstate 274 segment commences?
I think the construction for the future I-274 will start sometime after the WSNB Eastern section is finished. I also believe the entire Western section of the beltway is funded and ready to go... unless otherwise.
The latest version of the 2020-2029 STIP dated May 2021 has the first western Beltway projects, from SR 1348 to NC 67 and NC 67 to US 52, starting in 2028, the remainder in 2029. Info on p. 7 of Div. 9 section, Available at:
https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIPDocuments1/NCDOT%20Current%20STIP.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIPDocuments1/NCDOT%20Current%20STIP.pdf)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on June 23, 2021, 08:10:19 PM
Henry, Rockingham counties will pursue extending I-73 (https://godanriver.com/news/state-and-regional/henry-rockingham-counties-will-pursue-extending-i-73/article_47f1e476-d3b9-11eb-9370-737e155ae505.html)
QuoteHenry County is proposing to build part of an interstate highway into the county that has been on the drawing board since the 1990s.

"Henry County is working with Rockingham County [N.C.] to apply for a Rebuilding American Infrastructure with Sustainability and Equity [RAISE] grant from the U.S. Department of Transportation,"  Henry County Administrator Tim Hall at a regular meeting of the Board of Supervisors on Tuesday. "This bites off a chunk of I-73."

The interstate, billed by leaders at the time as a potential economic savior to the region, is a thoroughfare that would extend from Myrtle Beach, S.C., to Michigan, passing through six states.

After almost 25 years, North Carolina has built more than 100 miles of the road – from the city of Rockingham, N.C., in the south to Madison, part of Rockingham County, in the north – but no other state has added to the project.

"We presented a proposal to Rockingham last night, and they [commissioners] voted for it unanimously,"  Hall said. "They are going to be co-applicants with us."

The U.S. Department of Transportation has earmarked $1 billion to be awarded as competitive, discretionary grants. There is no requirement for a local match, but the request needs to be justifiable and delivered in the timeline presented in the grant request.

The building out of Commonwealth Crossing Business Center – about 15 miles north of the northern terminus of I-73 – is the impetus behind creating a justifiable need.

"When Crown Holdings [the next company building in the business park] goes online, they will make 5,600 cans every minute of every day, every day of the year,"  Hall said. "Up to 2,500 employees will ultimately work at CCBC."

Martinsville-Henry County EDC President Mark Heath said 2,500 was a conservative figure.

"We're marketing 65 acres of a fully-graded, shovel-ready pad, expandable to 145 acres and a 100-acres site for future development,"  Heath said. "We need to be making these improvements now."

Hall said the two counties jointly would apply for $15 million for roadway improvements at the 726-acre facility that is located abutting the Virginia-North Carolina line. Heath pointed out the traffic studies show that a considerable number of people going in and out of CCBC and coming from North Carolina.

The Board of Supervisors voted unanimously to join Rockingham County in applying for the grant funds.

The U.S. 220 Southern Connector already is being developed from the business center to improve traffic flow north. It's unclear whether that plan could be merged with the I-73 plan.

"This body took a leap of faith, and you had the courage, wisdom and where-with-all, and it's working,"  Hall told the board. "There is considerable interest in us and this park, and you should take some credit and encouragement from that."

(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/godanriver.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/c/76/c76527a3-66f9-50f6-9101-66fdd374b9ba/60d27efa6b993.image.jpg)
This project seems overhyped. It's merely a proposal to construct a new grade separated interchange on US-220 just south of the Virginia-North Carolina border at Martinsville Loop (I mistook this for the US-220 / US-58 bypass at first, this is referring to a road in North Carolina called "Martinsville Loop") to accommodate a new business park. I suppose it's good news they are at least properly building access, as opposed to a new traffic signal or at-grade access on a future interstate corridor. The graphic is hard to make out, but it doesn't appear to do any mainline upgrades, such as extending frontage roads and making US-220 limited access up to the Virginia border. This would be the perfect opportunity to do such, especially tying into the future Martinsville Southern Connector, but doesn't appear to be anything more than ramps and an overpass.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on June 24, 2021, 02:37:42 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Since, at least according to Bob M's site, NCDOT isn't planning to do anything about elevating this stretch to Interstate standards until at least 2029, is this project just going to be one of the sporadic interchanges along the existing expressway -- or will the Rockingham County proclamation be something of a "shot across the bow" of NCDOT to advance the schedule of the necessary upgrades.  Since the proposed can plant is on the NC side of the line -- but would likely include Martinsville within the plant's probable labor pool, some sort of coordination, at least with regards to a construction timetable, with the "Martinsville South Connector" (ostensibly the southernmost portion of I-73 within VA) might be beneficial on both sides of the state line.   Although on a smaller scale, the deployment of this plant, with its projected 2.5K employees, might serve as a catalyst for both VDOT and NCDOT to expedite a continuous I-grade facility between Greensboro and Martinsville just as the Tupelo Toyota plant did for I-22 a decade ago. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on June 24, 2021, 06:30:39 AM
The Virginia CTB at its meeting this week had its first update in 18 months on what is happening with the Martinsville Southern Connector

http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/resources/2021/june/pres/7_martinsville_220_june2021.pdf
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 24, 2021, 01:02:05 PM
Quote from: sparker on June 24, 2021, 02:37:42 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Since, at least according to Bob M's site, NCDOT isn't planning to do anything about elevating this stretch to Interstate standards until at least 2029, is this project just going to be one of the sporadic interchanges along the existing expressway -- or will the Rockingham County proclamation be something of a "shot across the bow" of NCDOT to advance the schedule of the necessary upgrades.  Since the proposed can plant is on the NC side of the line -- but would likely include Martinsville within the plant's probable labor pool, some sort of coordination, at least with regards to a construction timetable, with the "Martinsville South Connector" (ostensibly the southernmost portion of I-73 within VA) might be beneficial on both sides of the state line.   Although on a smaller scale, the deployment of this plant, with its projected 2.5K employees, might serve as a catalyst for both VDOT and NCDOT to expedite a continuous I-grade facility between Greensboro and Martinsville just as the Tupelo Toyota plant did for I-22 a decade ago.


And that stretch is still not planned to be upgradable until at least 2029 as well. I think what they are going to do is make a little bit of upgrades along the way:

They just finished the US 220 North bridge over RR railroad by widening the bridge to current standards.
The interchange between US 220/Future I-73 and US 311/NC 135 is planned to be upgraded in a few years.
Now, this proposed interchange just south of NC/VA line.

It will be a little bit of upgrades along the corridor.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on June 24, 2021, 01:31:41 PM
In the meantime, maybe the interchanges on US 220 north of Interstate 73's present terminus should be numbered (with Interstate 73 mileage-based numbers). That is, unless any of 220's existing exits are bypassed by a new alignment in the future.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on June 24, 2021, 01:34:54 PM
Quote from: Strider on June 24, 2021, 01:02:05 PM
Quote from: sparker on June 24, 2021, 02:37:42 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Since, at least according to Bob M's site, NCDOT isn't planning to do anything about elevating this stretch to Interstate standards until at least 2029, is this project just going to be one of the sporadic interchanges along the existing expressway -- or will the Rockingham County proclamation be something of a "shot across the bow" of NCDOT to advance the schedule of the necessary upgrades.  Since the proposed can plant is on the NC side of the line -- but would likely include Martinsville within the plant's probable labor pool, some sort of coordination, at least with regards to a construction timetable, with the "Martinsville South Connector" (ostensibly the southernmost portion of I-73 within VA) might be beneficial on both sides of the state line.   Although on a smaller scale, the deployment of this plant, with its projected 2.5K employees, might serve as a catalyst for both VDOT and NCDOT to expedite a continuous I-grade facility between Greensboro and Martinsville just as the Tupelo Toyota plant did for I-22 a decade ago.


And that stretch is still not planned to be upgradable until at least 2029 as well. I think what they are going to do is make a little bit of upgrades along the way:

They just finished the US 220 North bridge over RR railroad by widening the bridge to current standards.
The interchange between US 220/Future I-73 and US 311/NC 135 is planned to be upgraded in a few years.
Now, this proposed interchange just south of NC/VA line.

It will be a little bit of upgrades along the corridor.

Sounds like some of the more challenging projects (primarily interchanges and/or structural improvements) are being addressed one at a time prior to a full project commitment post-'29.  It may be that by the time a larger composite effort is made -- and it will be a relatively long one by I-73 progress standards -- much of the work will be "cleanup" of eliminating private access, including constructing frontage roads as needed, and rebuilding of the main carriageways to Interstate standards.  If the coordination with Henry County, as suggested in my prior reply, can be arranged, the I-73 extension to US 58 might actually be reality by the early 2030's. 

On the flip side -- it will be interesting to see if by that time any progress is made concerning the I-73 crossing into SC south of Hamlet -- another endeavor that would require cooperation with a non-NC entity.  Haven't heard much recent news regarding the status of I-73 in SC; it appears that the term "back-burner" may well apply in this instance!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on June 24, 2021, 01:35:38 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 24, 2021, 01:31:41 PM
In the meantime, maybe the interchanges on US 220 north of Interstate 73's present terminus should be numbered (with Interstate 73 mileage-based numbers). That is, unless any of 220's existing exits are bypassed by a new alignment in the future.
I find it doubtful that segment of US-220 will be bypassed... the existing alignment looks upgradable with frontage road construction to connect any properties and minor at-grade intersections, tying into the existing interchanges.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 24, 2021, 02:17:54 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 24, 2021, 01:31:41 PM
In the meantime, maybe the interchanges on US 220 north of Interstate 73's present terminus should be numbered (with Interstate 73 mileage-based numbers). That is, unless any of 220's existing exits are bypassed by a new alignment in the future.

That section of US 220 will not be bypassed. The plan is to upgrade the existing US 220 to interstate standards with frontage roads in some sections all the way to VA state line.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on July 03, 2021, 12:05:28 AM
https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/I-5105_Feasibility-Study_0408A_Report_2007.pdf

When looking at this, there used to be a proposed flyover from the Asheboro bypass to I-73 South and I-74 East. Wonder why they removed it...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Dirt Roads on July 03, 2021, 10:00:00 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 03, 2021, 12:05:28 AM
https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/I-5105_Feasibility-Study_0408A_Report_2007.pdf

When looking at this, there used to be a proposed flyover from the Asheboro bypass to I-73 South and I-74 East. Wonder why they removed it...

The old "main exit" for Asheboro is for both US-64 and NC-49 from the west.  Traffic from Richfield and Baden Lake is typically headed up US-220 towards Greensboro.  Traditionally, most of the US-through 64 traffic from the west is headed south on US-220 (this was the main route from Ohio/West Virginia to Myrtle Beach back in the 1960s and 1970s).  Very little of the northbound traffic on either US-64 or NC-49 would head that far south on the Asheboro Bypass to get onto US-220.  The new bypass may take the through traffic off of the main drag in Asheboro, but doesn't do much to relieve congestion at the old "main exit".  Which is now numbered Exit 72A/B.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on July 03, 2021, 10:39:45 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 03, 2021, 12:05:28 AM
https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/I-5105_Feasibility-Study_0408A_Report_2007.pdf

When looking at this, there used to be a proposed flyover from the Asheboro bypass to I-73 South and I-74 East. Wonder why they removed it...
My guess would simply be because upon a further review, they deemed the volumes did not warrant a flyover for any of the loops. Given the two highways locations, I can't see much traffic switching between the two routes in any large volumes.

However, I will make an exception to this, and say that because of the Zoo access road interchange built on the bypass just east of the I-73 interchange, a flyover between I-73 South and US-64 East might have been warranted to accommodate zoo traffic from the north (likely busier than from the south). But that would strictly depend on how busy the loop gets during peak times.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 03, 2021, 11:35:18 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 03, 2021, 10:39:45 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 03, 2021, 12:05:28 AM
https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/I-5105_Feasibility-Study_0408A_Report_2007.pdf

When looking at this, there used to be a proposed flyover from the Asheboro bypass to I-73 South and I-74 East. Wonder why they removed it...
My guess would simply be because upon a further review, they deemed the volumes did not warrant a flyover for any of the loops. Given the two highways locations, I can't see much traffic switching between the two routes in any large volumes.

However, I will make an exception to this, and say that because of the Zoo access road interchange built on the bypass just east of the I-73 interchange, a flyover between I-73 South and US-64 East might have been warranted to accommodate zoo traffic from the north (likely busier than from the south). But that would strictly depend on how busy the loop gets during peak times.

They removed the flyover because of cost-saving. Instead of a flyover, they replaced it with the collector distributor lanes and the loop ramps. Also, you're right. traffic volumes did not warrant a flyover at this time.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on July 03, 2021, 01:40:37 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 03, 2021, 11:35:18 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 03, 2021, 10:39:45 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 03, 2021, 12:05:28 AM
https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/I-5105_Feasibility-Study_0408A_Report_2007.pdf

When looking at this, there used to be a proposed flyover from the Asheboro bypass to I-73 South and I-74 East. Wonder why they removed it...
My guess would simply be because upon a further review, they deemed the volumes did not warrant a flyover for any of the loops. Given the two highways locations, I can't see much traffic switching between the two routes in any large volumes.

However, I will make an exception to this, and say that because of the Zoo access road interchange built on the bypass just east of the I-73 interchange, a flyover between I-73 South and US-64 East might have been warranted to accommodate zoo traffic from the north (likely busier than from the south). But that would strictly depend on how busy the loop gets during peak times.

They removed the flyover because of cost-saving. Instead of a flyover, they replaced it with the collector distributor lanes and the loop ramps. Also, you're right. traffic volumes did not warrant a flyover at this time.
And the proposed interchange that they are making, I still like the proposed SPUI. Right now it seems like they are doing minor improvements to the existing interchange.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on July 03, 2021, 01:42:35 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 03, 2021, 01:40:37 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 03, 2021, 11:35:18 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 03, 2021, 10:39:45 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 03, 2021, 12:05:28 AM
https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/I-5105_Feasibility-Study_0408A_Report_2007.pdf

When looking at this, there used to be a proposed flyover from the Asheboro bypass to I-73 South and I-74 East. Wonder why they removed it...
My guess would simply be because upon a further review, they deemed the volumes did not warrant a flyover for any of the loops. Given the two highways locations, I can't see much traffic switching between the two routes in any large volumes.

However, I will make an exception to this, and say that because of the Zoo access road interchange built on the bypass just east of the I-73 interchange, a flyover between I-73 South and US-64 East might have been warranted to accommodate zoo traffic from the north (likely busier than from the south). But that would strictly depend on how busy the loop gets during peak times.

They removed the flyover because of cost-saving. Instead of a flyover, they replaced it with the collector distributor lanes and the loop ramps. Also, you're right. traffic volumes did not warrant a flyover at this time.
And the proposed interchange that they are making, I still like the proposed SPUI. Right now it seems like they are doing minor improvements to the existing interchange.
Agreed, that whole segment of I-73/I-74 will need to be reconstructed at some point through Asheboro. Many geometrical deficiencies and overall being substandard. They reconstructed the mainline in the past decade to meet basic interstate standards and brought the speed limit up to 65 mph, but there's still much more work to do, which that feasibility study did outline some solutions.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Alex4897 on July 03, 2021, 02:40:05 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 03, 2021, 11:35:18 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 03, 2021, 10:39:45 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 03, 2021, 12:05:28 AM
https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/I-5105_Feasibility-Study_0408A_Report_2007.pdf

When looking at this, there used to be a proposed flyover from the Asheboro bypass to I-73 South and I-74 East. Wonder why they removed it...
My guess would simply be because upon a further review, they deemed the volumes did not warrant a flyover for any of the loops. Given the two highways locations, I can't see much traffic switching between the two routes in any large volumes.

However, I will make an exception to this, and say that because of the Zoo access road interchange built on the bypass just east of the I-73 interchange, a flyover between I-73 South and US-64 East might have been warranted to accommodate zoo traffic from the north (likely busier than from the south). But that would strictly depend on how busy the loop gets during peak times.

They removed the flyover because of cost-saving. Instead of a flyover, they replaced it with the collector distributor lanes and the loop ramps. Also, you're right. traffic volumes did not warrant a flyover at this time.

Having been on that bypass a few times since it's opened, they definitely made the right call on cutting the flyover out. The US 64 bypass is generally pretty desolate every time I use it to link to NC 49. The buffer lane they added at the cloverleaf with I-73/74 between the thru lanes and the merge / exit lane is more than adequate to safely handle people entering and exiting US 64. Given how quick cities along / near I-85 are growing it may become necessary in the future, but for now they've built more than enough to suffice for a while.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 03, 2021, 04:00:35 PM
NCDOT still needs to look at that dreadful interchange design for I-73/I-85/US 421 south of Greensboro. The interchange was built with in mind that I-73 was to continue on US 220 towards I-40 and turn west. But, now that I-73 is routed northwest on the Loop, that interchange needs to be fixed. Hopefully in the next decade or sometime in the distant future.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ahj2000 on July 03, 2021, 04:10:13 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 03, 2021, 04:00:35 PM
NCDOT still needs to look at that dreadful interchange design for I-73/I-85/US 421 south of Greensboro. The interchange was built with in mind that I-73 was to continue on US 220 towards I-40 and turn west. But, now that I-73 is routed northwest on the Loop, that interchange needs to be fixed. Hopefully in the next decade or sometime in the distant future.
Does it really HAVE to? It seems like it should have a flyover when a ramp carries an Interstate highway, but does it need one? There's probably not a ton of traffic that uses that direction. W-S/High Point/Charlotte and Points West traffic would've used 74, traffic to downtown Gsboro takes 220 to Bus 85, and 85 takes the bulk of the rest. It seems it would only be a bit of airport traffic, the west side of town, and Martinsville-not really a ton. Perhaps there's a statistic that proves otherwise, though.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on July 03, 2021, 04:13:41 PM
Quote from: ahj2000 on July 03, 2021, 04:10:13 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 03, 2021, 04:00:35 PM
NCDOT still needs to look at that dreadful interchange design for I-73/I-85/US 421 south of Greensboro. The interchange was built with in mind that I-73 was to continue on US 220 towards I-40 and turn west. But, now that I-73 is routed northwest on the Loop, that interchange needs to be fixed. Hopefully in the next decade or sometime in the distant future.
Does it really HAVE to? It seems like it should have a flyover when a ramp carries an Interstate highway, but does it need one? There's probably not a ton of traffic that uses that direction. W-S/High Point/Charlotte and Points West traffic would've used 74, traffic to downtown Gsboro takes 220 to Bus 85, and 85 takes the bulk of the rest. It seems it would only be a bit of airport traffic, the west side of town, and Martinsville-not really a ton. Perhaps there's a statistic that proves otherwise, though.
Only about 5,500 AADT use the loop ramp, which is the highest traffic movement at that particular interchange. It's not a pressing priority for a flyover, given the lower volume, especially when compared to what some loops have to handle (much higher!), but it should eventually be constructed.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 03, 2021, 04:17:07 PM
Quote from: ahj2000 on July 03, 2021, 04:10:13 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 03, 2021, 04:00:35 PM
NCDOT still needs to look at that dreadful interchange design for I-73/I-85/US 421 south of Greensboro. The interchange was built with in mind that I-73 was to continue on US 220 towards I-40 and turn west. But, now that I-73 is routed northwest on the Loop, that interchange needs to be fixed. Hopefully in the next decade or sometime in the distant future.
Does it really HAVE to? It seems like it should have a flyover when a ramp carries an Interstate highway, but does it need one? There's probably not a ton of traffic that uses that direction. W-S/High Point/Charlotte and Points West traffic would've used 74, traffic to downtown Gsboro takes 220 to Bus 85, and 85 takes the bulk of the rest. It seems it would only be a bit of airport traffic, the west side of town, and Martinsville-not really a ton. Perhaps there's a statistic that proves otherwise, though.

Oh, it is going to be necessary in the future even if AADT may seem low right now. I live in the city and use that road everyday. There is more traffic on I-73 than it is on I-74. FYI.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 03, 2021, 04:21:29 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 03, 2021, 04:13:41 PM
Quote from: ahj2000 on July 03, 2021, 04:10:13 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 03, 2021, 04:00:35 PM
NCDOT still needs to look at that dreadful interchange design for I-73/I-85/US 421 south of Greensboro. The interchange was built with in mind that I-73 was to continue on US 220 towards I-40 and turn west. But, now that I-73 is routed northwest on the Loop, that interchange needs to be fixed. Hopefully in the next decade or sometime in the distant future.
Does it really HAVE to? It seems like it should have a flyover when a ramp carries an Interstate highway, but does it need one? There's probably not a ton of traffic that uses that direction. W-S/High Point/Charlotte and Points West traffic would've used 74, traffic to downtown Gsboro takes 220 to Bus 85, and 85 takes the bulk of the rest. It seems it would only be a bit of airport traffic, the west side of town, and Martinsville-not really a ton. Perhaps there's a statistic that proves otherwise, though.
Only about 5,500 AADT use the loop ramp, which is the highest traffic movement at that particular interchange. It's not a pressing priority for a flyover, given the lower volume, especially when compared to what some loops have to handle (much higher!), but it should eventually be constructed.

Exactly why I said in the future or in the distant future. I don't know what traffic will be like after the I-73/I-74 Rockingham bypass is finished, but eventually traffic is going to increase and that half cloverleaf will not handle the amount of traffic.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on July 03, 2021, 04:23:22 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 03, 2021, 04:21:29 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 03, 2021, 04:13:41 PM
Quote from: ahj2000 on July 03, 2021, 04:10:13 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 03, 2021, 04:00:35 PM
NCDOT still needs to look at that dreadful interchange design for I-73/I-85/US 421 south of Greensboro. The interchange was built with in mind that I-73 was to continue on US 220 towards I-40 and turn west. But, now that I-73 is routed northwest on the Loop, that interchange needs to be fixed. Hopefully in the next decade or sometime in the distant future.
Does it really HAVE to? It seems like it should have a flyover when a ramp carries an Interstate highway, but does it need one? There's probably not a ton of traffic that uses that direction. W-S/High Point/Charlotte and Points West traffic would've used 74, traffic to downtown Gsboro takes 220 to Bus 85, and 85 takes the bulk of the rest. It seems it would only be a bit of airport traffic, the west side of town, and Martinsville-not really a ton. Perhaps there's a statistic that proves otherwise, though.
Only about 5,500 AADT use the loop ramp, which is the highest traffic movement at that particular interchange. It's not a pressing priority for a flyover, given the lower volume, especially when compared to what some loops have to handle (much higher!), but it should eventually be constructed.

Exactly why I said in the future or in the distant future. I don't know what traffic will be like after the I-73/I-74 Rockingham bypass is finished, but eventually traffic is going to increase and that half cloverleaf will not handle the amount of traffic.
I don't know that the completion of the Rockingham Bypass is what is going to draw in traffic increases. Perhaps once I-73 is complete down to I-95 or up to I-81... and well... maybe in 50 years?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 03, 2021, 04:32:33 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 03, 2021, 04:23:22 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 03, 2021, 04:21:29 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 03, 2021, 04:13:41 PM
Quote from: ahj2000 on July 03, 2021, 04:10:13 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 03, 2021, 04:00:35 PM
NCDOT still needs to look at that dreadful interchange design for I-73/I-85/US 421 south of Greensboro. The interchange was built with in mind that I-73 was to continue on US 220 towards I-40 and turn west. But, now that I-73 is routed northwest on the Loop, that interchange needs to be fixed. Hopefully in the next decade or sometime in the distant future.
Does it really HAVE to? It seems like it should have a flyover when a ramp carries an Interstate highway, but does it need one? There's probably not a ton of traffic that uses that direction. W-S/High Point/Charlotte and Points West traffic would've used 74, traffic to downtown Gsboro takes 220 to Bus 85, and 85 takes the bulk of the rest. It seems it would only be a bit of airport traffic, the west side of town, and Martinsville-not really a ton. Perhaps there's a statistic that proves otherwise, though.
Only about 5,500 AADT use the loop ramp, which is the highest traffic movement at that particular interchange. It's not a pressing priority for a flyover, given the lower volume, especially when compared to what some loops have to handle (much higher!), but it should eventually be constructed.

Exactly why I said in the future or in the distant future. I don't know what traffic will be like after the I-73/I-74 Rockingham bypass is finished, but eventually traffic is going to increase and that half cloverleaf will not handle the amount of traffic.
I don't know that the completion of the Rockingham Bypass is what is going to draw in traffic increases. Perhaps once I-73 is complete down to I-95 or up to I-81... and well... maybe in 50 years?

After the Rockingham Bypass is finished, the new signages will divert traffic currently taking US 1 up to US 220 North going points north.... towards the Bypass. Also, it will link the current I-73/I-74 with I-95 via I-74/Future I-74/US 74 whatever that area signs that way. That may bring good amount of traffic. Other than that, you're correct. There will not be any significant traffic increases until I-73 is complete to either interstate.

Eventually I-74 is going to bring more traffic as soon as the WSEB is complete to US 52. It will be completed in within a few years.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on July 03, 2021, 05:40:41 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If I were NCDOT, I'd just find a way to identify some funds and construct I-73 more or less atop NC 38 right down to the SC state line (4 miles, give or take) -- i.e., essentially informing SC that the ball is now in their court!  While it is technically possible for NB I-95 traffic to simply use the I-74 corridor west to Rockingham and thence north to Greensboro and W-S to reach that area, it's a bit of an oblique angle, adds 30+ miles over the projected I-73 corridor along SC 38, and would be useful primarily to those folks who want to remain on an Interstate -- period!  But given the various controversies and/or funding issues endemic to the I-73 corridor in SC, its development is certainly not a given -- so any incentive provided from NC might at least provoke some renewed interest "south of the border" toward a resolution. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 03, 2021, 05:54:28 PM
Quote from: sparker on July 03, 2021, 05:40:41 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If I were NCDOT, I'd just find a way to identify some funds and construct I-73 more or less atop NC 38 right down to the SC state line (4 miles, give or take) -- i.e., essentially informing SC that the ball is now in their court!  While it is technically possible for NB I-95 traffic to simply use the I-74 corridor west to Rockingham and thence north to Greensboro and W-S to reach that area, it's a bit of an oblique angle, adds 30+ miles over the projected I-73 corridor along SC 38, and would be useful primarily to those folks who want to remain on an Interstate -- period!  But given the various controversies and/or funding issues endemic to the I-73 corridor in SC, its development is certainly not a given -- so any incentive provided from NC might at least provoke some renewed interest "south of the border" toward a resolution.

I agree with you. I'd extend I-73 until at least 2 miles before the state line. It is proposed to have an interchange with Ghio Rd. between I-74/US 74 and SC state line (future Exit 2). The traffic can go either west to NC 38 (which will change in SC 38 and is one of the major roads to Bennettsville and eventually US 501 towards Myrtle Beach) or east to NC 381 (another route that changes into SC 381, with meets US 15 and US 401 and eventually SC 9).

However, NCDOT prefers to wait until SCDOT does something about I-73. I don't know the status of I-73 down in SC since I last heard about the Horry County/surrounding cities settlement based on hospitality fee. However, I also heard that Sen. Graham (R-SC) requested $12 million to fund the I-73 Project as of 4 days ago. Other than that, I can't really speak for the status of I-73 in SC.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on July 03, 2021, 06:11:53 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 03, 2021, 05:54:28 PM
Quote from: sparker on July 03, 2021, 05:40:41 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If I were NCDOT, I'd just find a way to identify some funds and construct I-73 more or less atop NC 38 right down to the SC state line (4 miles, give or take) -- i.e., essentially informing SC that the ball is now in their court!  While it is technically possible for NB I-95 traffic to simply use the I-74 corridor west to Rockingham and thence north to Greensboro and W-S to reach that area, it's a bit of an oblique angle, adds 30+ miles over the projected I-73 corridor along SC 38, and would be useful primarily to those folks who want to remain on an Interstate -- period!  But given the various controversies and/or funding issues endemic to the I-73 corridor in SC, its development is certainly not a given -- so any incentive provided from NC might at least provoke some renewed interest "south of the border" toward a resolution.

I agree with you. I'd extend I-73 until at least 2 miles before the state line. It is proposed to have an interchange with Ghio Rd. between I-74/US 74 and SC state line (future Exit 2). The traffic can go either west to NC 38 (which will change in SC 38 and is one of the major roads to Bennettsville and eventually US 501 towards Myrtle Beach) or east to NC 381 (another route that changes into SC 381, with meets US 15 and US 401 and eventually SC 9).

However, NCDOT prefers to wait until SCDOT does something about I-73. I don't know the status of I-73 down in SC since I last heard about the Horry County/surrounding cities settlement based on hospitality fee. However, I also heard that Sen. Graham (R-SC) requested $12 million to fund the I-73 Project as of 4 days ago. Other than that, I can't really speak for the status of I-73 in SC.

Sounds like the NC/SC dilemma has taken on an "after you, Alphonse" aspect; somehow the ice needs to be broken in decisive fashion.  $12M sounds like just enough $$ to do or continue a study; hardly enough to make a dent in a project of that magnitude. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on July 06, 2021, 01:06:32 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 03, 2021, 11:35:18 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 03, 2021, 10:39:45 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 03, 2021, 12:05:28 AM
https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/I-5105_Feasibility-Study_0408A_Report_2007.pdf

When looking at this, there used to be a proposed flyover from the Asheboro bypass to I-73 South and I-74 East. Wonder why they removed it...
My guess would simply be because upon a further review, they deemed the volumes did not warrant a flyover for any of the loops. Given the two highways locations, I can't see much traffic switching between the two routes in any large volumes.

However, I will make an exception to this, and say that because of the Zoo access road interchange built on the bypass just east of the I-73 interchange, a flyover between I-73 South and US-64 East might have been warranted to accommodate zoo traffic from the north (likely busier than from the south). But that would strictly depend on how busy the loop gets during peak times.

They removed the flyover because of cost-saving. Instead of a flyover, they replaced it with the collector distributor lanes and the loop ramps. Also, you're right. traffic volumes did not warrant a flyover at this time.
I don't see a collector distributor.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 06, 2021, 02:29:18 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 06, 2021, 01:06:32 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 03, 2021, 11:35:18 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 03, 2021, 10:39:45 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 03, 2021, 12:05:28 AM
https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/I-5105_Feasibility-Study_0408A_Report_2007.pdf

When looking at this, there used to be a proposed flyover from the Asheboro bypass to I-73 South and I-74 East. Wonder why they removed it...
My guess would simply be because upon a further review, they deemed the volumes did not warrant a flyover for any of the loops. Given the two highways locations, I can't see much traffic switching between the two routes in any large volumes.

However, I will make an exception to this, and say that because of the Zoo access road interchange built on the bypass just east of the I-73 interchange, a flyover between I-73 South and US-64 East might have been warranted to accommodate zoo traffic from the north (likely busier than from the south). But that would strictly depend on how busy the loop gets during peak times.

They removed the flyover because of cost-saving. Instead of a flyover, they replaced it with the collector distributor lanes and the loop ramps. Also, you're right. traffic volumes did not warrant a flyover at this time.
I don't see a collector distributor.


They're on I-73/I-74. You have to zoom really close to see it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on July 08, 2021, 06:18:34 PM
Quote from: sparker on July 03, 2021, 06:11:53 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 03, 2021, 05:54:28 PM
Quote from: sparker on July 03, 2021, 05:40:41 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If I were NCDOT, I'd just find a way to identify some funds and construct I-73 more or less atop NC 38 right down to the SC state line (4 miles, give or take) -- i.e., essentially informing SC that the ball is now in their court!  While it is technically possible for NB I-95 traffic to simply use the I-74 corridor west to Rockingham and thence north to Greensboro and W-S to reach that area, it's a bit of an oblique angle, adds 30+ miles over the projected I-73 corridor along SC 38, and would be useful primarily to those folks who want to remain on an Interstate -- period!  But given the various controversies and/or funding issues endemic to the I-73 corridor in SC, its development is certainly not a given -- so any incentive provided from NC might at least provoke some renewed interest "south of the border" toward a resolution.

I agree with you. I'd extend I-73 until at least 2 miles before the state line. It is proposed to have an interchange with Ghio Rd. between I-74/US 74 and SC state line (future Exit 2). The traffic can go either west to NC 38 (which will change in SC 38 and is one of the major roads to Bennettsville and eventually US 501 towards Myrtle Beach) or east to NC 381 (another route that changes into SC 381, with meets US 15 and US 401 and eventually SC 9).

However, NCDOT prefers to wait until SCDOT does something about I-73. I don't know the status of I-73 down in SC since I last heard about the Horry County/surrounding cities settlement based on hospitality fee. However, I also heard that Sen. Graham (R-SC) requested $12 million to fund the I-73 Project as of 4 days ago. Other than that, I can't really speak for the status of I-73 in SC.

Sounds like the NC/SC dilemma has taken on an "after you, Alphonse" aspect; somehow the ice needs to be broken in decisive fashion.  $12M sounds like just enough $$ to do or continue a study; hardly enough to make a dent in a project of that magnitude.
I'm quite sure NC won't do anything about extending I-73 south of I-74 until we see a credible commitment from SC to build all of its I-73 route. So far we see nothing at all resembling that commitment.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 10, 2021, 10:29:17 PM
I have posted photos taken by David Johnson of the construction area for the future I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass taken from along US 74 West and Business 74 East:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11dj721m.jpg)

The project at the end of June was now over 1/3 complete, still estimated to be completed in late 2023 or early 2024. The rest of the photos are at:
https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on July 13, 2021, 01:57:52 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on July 10, 2021, 10:29:17 PM
I have posted photos taken by David Johnson of the construction area for the future I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass taken from along US 74 West and Business 74 East:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11dj721m.jpg)

The project at the end of June was now over 1/3 complete, still estimated to be completed in late 2023 or early 2024. The rest of the photos are at:
https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html#photos)

The top photo on the linked page has a nice view of the northern end of the bypass.  The section that had been graded  during the construction of that interchange has been paved.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 27, 2021, 12:09:17 AM
I've posted new photos taken by Val Melvin of future I-74 construction along US 52 north of Winston-Salem, which includes new shoulder widening between the future Beltway and the Interstate standard King-Tobaccoville exit and further construction on the future Beltway interchange:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4vm721n.jpg)

The photos are available on my I-74 Segment 3 page:
https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg3.html (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg3.html)
and Segment 4 page: https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: carbaugh2 on July 28, 2021, 12:45:47 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 03, 2021, 01:42:35 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 03, 2021, 01:40:37 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 03, 2021, 11:35:18 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 03, 2021, 10:39:45 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 03, 2021, 12:05:28 AM
https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/I-5105_Feasibility-Study_0408A_Report_2007.pdf

When looking at this, there used to be a proposed flyover from the Asheboro bypass to I-73 South and I-74 East. Wonder why they removed it...
My guess would simply be because upon a further review, they deemed the volumes did not warrant a flyover for any of the loops. Given the two highways locations, I can't see much traffic switching between the two routes in any large volumes.

However, I will make an exception to this, and say that because of the Zoo access road interchange built on the bypass just east of the I-73 interchange, a flyover between I-73 South and US-64 East might have been warranted to accommodate zoo traffic from the north (likely busier than from the south). But that would strictly depend on how busy the loop gets during peak times.

They removed the flyover because of cost-saving. Instead of a flyover, they replaced it with the collector distributor lanes and the loop ramps. Also, you're right. traffic volumes did not warrant a flyover at this time.
And the proposed interchange that they are making, I still like the proposed SPUI. Right now it seems like they are doing minor improvements to the existing interchange.
Agreed, that whole segment of I-73/I-74 will need to be reconstructed at some point through Asheboro. Many geometrical deficiencies and overall being substandard. They reconstructed the mainline in the past decade to meet basic interstate standards and brought the speed limit up to 65 mph, but there's still much more work to do, which that feasibility study did outline some solutions.

Here is the last proposal of reconstructing the 64/49 exits in Asheboro that I found on the NCDOT website: https://www.ncdot.gov/news/public-meetings/Documents/U-5813-map-2.pdf. Unfortunately, there is very little detail regarding how they would treat existing 73/74/220.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on July 28, 2021, 01:26:47 PM
Quote from: carbaugh2 on July 28, 2021, 12:45:47 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 03, 2021, 01:42:35 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 03, 2021, 01:40:37 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 03, 2021, 11:35:18 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 03, 2021, 10:39:45 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 03, 2021, 12:05:28 AM
https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/I-5105_Feasibility-Study_0408A_Report_2007.pdf

When looking at this, there used to be a proposed flyover from the Asheboro bypass to I-73 South and I-74 East. Wonder why they removed it...
My guess would simply be because upon a further review, they deemed the volumes did not warrant a flyover for any of the loops. Given the two highways locations, I can't see much traffic switching between the two routes in any large volumes.

However, I will make an exception to this, and say that because of the Zoo access road interchange built on the bypass just east of the I-73 interchange, a flyover between I-73 South and US-64 East might have been warranted to accommodate zoo traffic from the north (likely busier than from the south). But that would strictly depend on how busy the loop gets during peak times.

They removed the flyover because of cost-saving. Instead of a flyover, they replaced it with the collector distributor lanes and the loop ramps. Also, you're right. traffic volumes did not warrant a flyover at this time.
And the proposed interchange that they are making, I still like the proposed SPUI. Right now it seems like they are doing minor improvements to the existing interchange.
Agreed, that whole segment of I-73/I-74 will need to be reconstructed at some point through Asheboro. Many geometrical deficiencies and overall being substandard. They reconstructed the mainline in the past decade to meet basic interstate standards and brought the speed limit up to 65 mph, but there's still much more work to do, which that feasibility study did outline some solutions.

Here is the last proposal of reconstructing the 64/49 exits in Asheboro that I found on the NCDOT website: https://www.ncdot.gov/news/public-meetings/Documents/U-5813-map-2.pdf. Unfortunately, there is very little detail regarding how they would treat existing 73/74/220.
Boring.....
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 28, 2021, 03:28:19 PM
Quote from: carbaugh2 on July 28, 2021, 12:45:47 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 03, 2021, 01:42:35 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 03, 2021, 01:40:37 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 03, 2021, 11:35:18 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 03, 2021, 10:39:45 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 03, 2021, 12:05:28 AM
https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/I-5105_Feasibility-Study_0408A_Report_2007.pdf

When looking at this, there used to be a proposed flyover from the Asheboro bypass to I-73 South and I-74 East. Wonder why they removed it...
My guess would simply be because upon a further review, they deemed the volumes did not warrant a flyover for any of the loops. Given the two highways locations, I can't see much traffic switching between the two routes in any large volumes.

However, I will make an exception to this, and say that because of the Zoo access road interchange built on the bypass just east of the I-73 interchange, a flyover between I-73 South and US-64 East might have been warranted to accommodate zoo traffic from the north (likely busier than from the south). But that would strictly depend on how busy the loop gets during peak times.

They removed the flyover because of cost-saving. Instead of a flyover, they replaced it with the collector distributor lanes and the loop ramps. Also, you're right. traffic volumes did not warrant a flyover at this time.
And the proposed interchange that they are making, I still like the proposed SPUI. Right now it seems like they are doing minor improvements to the existing interchange.
Agreed, that whole segment of I-73/I-74 will need to be reconstructed at some point through Asheboro. Many geometrical deficiencies and overall being substandard. They reconstructed the mainline in the past decade to meet basic interstate standards and brought the speed limit up to 65 mph, but there's still much more work to do, which that feasibility study did outline some solutions.

Here is the last proposal of reconstructing the 64/49 exits in Asheboro that I found on the NCDOT website: https://www.ncdot.gov/news/public-meetings/Documents/U-5813-map-2.pdf. Unfortunately, there is very little detail regarding how they would treat existing 73/74/220.

They're going to work on I-73/74/US 220. I think they want to reconstruct the Business US 64/NC 49 interchange first (includes new bridges). The current bridges there are narrow with no shoulders and needed to be replaced at some point.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on September 27, 2021, 06:58:33 PM
Quote from: Strider on May 20, 2021, 05:25:06 PM
Don't be surprised if they change that into something else.
These are more recent documents, and the I-40 and I-74 interchange remains a 3-level stack. Although the ramp from I-74 west to I-40 east has been modified so it doesn't directly join the flyover coming from I-74 east to I-40 east.

And I feel like the modified concept has made the interchange even bigger.

https://xfer.services.ncdot.gov/pdea/PermApps/R-2247%20and%20U-2579%20WSNB/U-2579AB%20Phased%20Modification%20December%202%202020.pdf

https://xfer.services.ncdot.gov/pdea/PermApps/R-2247%20and%20U-2579%20WSNB/U-2579%20AA%20Forsyth%20August%2025%202021.pdf

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on October 07, 2021, 05:03:41 PM
More discussion about why that interchange is a 3 level stack, they moved Winston-Salem off the old Business 40 routing. I wonder if they are trying to keep as much traffic off the old routing as possible so that's why they did that. And having a control city on both signs can cause confusion.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0970378,-80.0116406,3a,46.3y,299.72h,99.26t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sSaVqQsCs2cRYo-ULVTAxEA!2e0!5s20210801T000000!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 23, 2021, 05:48:12 PM
NCDOT has released plans for the next segment of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway from US 421/Salem Parkway to I-40, the contract to be let in December. The sign plans include those for the final segment from I-40 to the current I-74 freeway, the part west of the future Beltway interchange to become NC 192. Here's one of the I-40 exit sign plans:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4signplanebexits56baadv.jpg)

Here's a plan for the NC 192 exit:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4signplanebexit57qma.jpg)

They also include plans for new I-40 signs, the signs for the Beltway indicate it will be signed as I-74 when the segment opens:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4signplani40ei74ramp.jpg)

More plan images can be found at:
https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#signplans (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#signplans)

The plans for the contract are at:
https://xfer.services.ncdot.gov/dsplan/2021%20Highway%20Letting/12-21-21/Plans%20and%20Proposals/FORSYTH_34839.3.GV5_U-2579AB_C204633/Standard%20PDF%20Files/?fbclid=IwAR0sgtVWzfw1dOPYrb-yelHz0bn95VB30u7ABzP-6c0bWqVKDP4uaMkdakE (https://xfer.services.ncdot.gov/dsplan/2021%20Highway%20Letting/12-21-21/Plans%20and%20Proposals/FORSYTH_34839.3.GV5_U-2579AB_C204633/Standard%20PDF%20Files/?fbclid=IwAR0sgtVWzfw1dOPYrb-yelHz0bn95VB30u7ABzP-6c0bWqVKDP4uaMkdakE)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on October 23, 2021, 06:24:51 PM
Wytheville?? Not Mount Airy??
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on October 23, 2021, 06:44:57 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on October 23, 2021, 06:24:51 PM
Wytheville?? Not Mount Airy??
Would make more sense in North Carolina for now until I-74 gets signed in Virginia which is currently not right now.

Mount Airy is also bigger.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on October 23, 2021, 06:57:27 PM
When looking at the signage plans, it looks like all of the Northern Beltway will remain 65 mph even when all of it is complete.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 23, 2021, 08:47:37 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on October 23, 2021, 06:44:57 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on October 23, 2021, 06:24:51 PM
Wytheville?? Not Mount Airy??
Would make more sense in North Carolina for now until I-74 gets signed in Virginia which is currently not right now.

Mount Airy is also bigger.

They probably chose Wytheville due to I-74 being officially approved up to there along I-77 up to I-81.  Virginia just refuses to sign it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on October 23, 2021, 09:13:05 PM
When is the next section expected to open?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on October 23, 2021, 09:31:48 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 23, 2021, 09:13:05 PM
When is the next section expected to open?
When looking at the construction, I say late 2022 or early to mid 2023.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ahj2000 on October 23, 2021, 10:41:57 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 23, 2021, 08:47:37 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on October 23, 2021, 06:44:57 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on October 23, 2021, 06:24:51 PM
Wytheville?? Not Mount Airy??
Would make more sense in North Carolina for now until I-74 gets signed in Virginia which is currently not right now.

Mount Airy is also bigger.

They probably chose Wytheville due to I-74 being officially approved up to there along I-77 up to I-81.  Virginia just refuses to sign it.
Would take 0 road work too. Would just be 77 through the whole state. Maybe with BGS replacement eventually...though after 25 or so years of approval I doubt it's any time soon.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on October 25, 2021, 07:41:02 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on October 23, 2021, 09:31:48 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 23, 2021, 09:13:05 PM
When is the next section expected to open?
When looking at the construction, I say late 2022 or early to mid 2023.

That would be the section from US 52 to US 311?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on October 25, 2021, 07:47:04 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on October 25, 2021, 07:41:02 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on October 23, 2021, 09:31:48 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 23, 2021, 09:13:05 PM
When is the next section expected to open?
When looking at the construction, I say late 2022 or early to mid 2023.

That would be the section from US 52 to US 311?
Yes
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on October 25, 2021, 09:27:01 AM
I was under the impression that there was to be an interim opening to NC 66/University Pkwy before opening to US 52.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 25, 2021, 12:15:34 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on October 25, 2021, 07:47:04 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on October 25, 2021, 07:41:02 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on October 23, 2021, 09:31:48 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 23, 2021, 09:13:05 PM
When is the next section expected to open?
When looking at the construction, I say late 2022 or early to mid 2023.

That would be the section from US 52 to US 311?
Yes
The project to build the Beltway from I-40 to the I-74 (former US 311) freeway (U-2579AA) is currently due to be let on Oct. 18, 2022* according to the 30 Month Tentative Letting List, p. 2:
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/12%20Month%20Tentative%20Letting%20Library/36%20MONTH%20CENTRAL%20STIP%20LET%20LIST%20(OCTOBER%202021%20-%20SEPTEMBER%202024).pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/12%20Month%20Tentative%20Letting%20Library/36%20MONTH%20CENTRAL%20STIP%20LET%20LIST%20(OCTOBER%202021%20-%20SEPTEMBER%202024).pdf)

Therefore, construction could start as early as late November 2022 with a probable completion date some time in 2025.

*The other major project due to be let that date is the final segment of the Fayetteville Outer Loop, I-295.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on October 25, 2021, 06:30:27 PM
Quote from: ahj2000 on October 23, 2021, 10:41:57 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 23, 2021, 08:47:37 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on October 23, 2021, 06:44:57 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on October 23, 2021, 06:24:51 PM
Wytheville?? Not Mount Airy??
Would make more sense in North Carolina for now until I-74 gets signed in Virginia which is currently not right now.

Mount Airy is also bigger.

They probably chose Wytheville due to I-74 being officially approved up to there along I-77 up to I-81.  Virginia just refuses to sign it.
Would take 0 road work too. Would just be 77 through the whole state. Maybe with BGS replacement eventually...though after 25 or so years of approval I doubt it's any time soon.
Wytheville is, of course, at the junction of I-77 and I-81, so it is pretty well known to long-distance travelers. Mount Airy is, of course, the junction of I-74 and I-77. The populations are comparable: about 8000 at Wytheville and 10000 in Mount Airy. But (1) Mount Airy is closer, (2) I'll bet more people entering the interchange will know where Mount Airy is, and (3) it's a North Carolina town, for Pete's sake.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on October 25, 2021, 06:49:23 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 25, 2021, 09:27:01 AM
I was under the impression that there was to be an interim opening to NC 66/University Pkwy before opening to US 52.

That was the original plan, but I guess someone at NCDOT realized at the last minute that building the beltway almost to US 52 and dumping into local roads at the last minute would be a really bad idea, because they said at some point that a connector to US 52 to the north will open at the same time as the NC 66-US 311 segment. Presumably, this will come in the form of completing at least part of the new I-74 mainline alignment early, serving as a replacement for the preexisting two-lane connector that is essentially being upgraded into the beltway.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on October 25, 2021, 07:51:26 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 25, 2021, 06:49:23 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 25, 2021, 09:27:01 AM
I was under the impression that there was to be an interim opening to NC 66/University Pkwy before opening to US 52.

That was the original plan, but I guess someone at NCDOT realized at the last minute that building the beltway almost to US 52 and dumping into local roads at the last minute would be a really bad idea, because they said at some point that a connector to US 52 to the north will open at the same time as the NC 66-US 311 segment. Presumably, this will come in the form of completing at least part of the new I-74 mainline alignment early, serving as a replacement for the preexisting two-lane connector that is essentially being upgraded into the beltway.
Then someone needs to fix the exit list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston-Salem_Northern_Beltway
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Dirt Roads on October 26, 2021, 10:02:35 AM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on October 25, 2021, 06:30:27 PM
Wytheville is, of course, at the junction of I-77 and I-81, so it is pretty well known to long-distance travelers. Mount Airy is, of course, the junction of I-74 and I-77. The populations are comparable: about 8000 at Wytheville and 10000 in Mount Airy. But (1) Mount Airy is closer, (2) I'll bet more people entering the interchange will know where Mount Airy is, and (3) it's a North Carolina town, for Pete's sake.

Mt. Airy is a control city on US-52, but whether or not NCDOT thinks it belongs as a control city on I-74 is subject to debate.  Historically, NCDOT has felt that Mt. Airy is too far removed from I-77 and as such, you get the tiny control city of Elkin instead.  I-74 gets much closer to Mt. Airy and actually has two nice methods of access from the [south], but still no good means of access from I-77 southbound (as well as I-74 eastbound).  If you can get there going northbound, but you are already too far past going southbound to make it worth the time to backtrack into the town, does it really qualify as a control city? 

Personally, I think that Mt. Airy is of such significant regional importance that the neither distance away from I-77 nor the backtrack needed from I-74 [southbound] should keep it from being a control city on either highway.  Mt. Airy now has more than 10,000 residents, and the population of Surry County is 71,359.  Not as big as Stateville/Iredell County, but the fact that it is near a major junction of two interstates should be sufficient (better than Fort Chiswell).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on October 26, 2021, 10:19:42 AM
The I-74/I-77 concurrency is really useless, since there won't be a freeway route to carry it back to Cincinnati (at least in any of our lifetimes). If it were up to me, I'd keep Mt. Airy on the signs.

Quote from: Dirt Roads on October 26, 2021, 10:02:35 AM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on October 25, 2021, 06:30:27 PM
Wytheville is, of course, at the junction of I-77 and I-81, so it is pretty well known to long-distance travelers. Mount Airy is, of course, the junction of I-74 and I-77. The populations are comparable: about 8000 at Wytheville and 10000 in Mount Airy. But (1) Mount Airy is closer, (2) I'll bet more people entering the interchange will know where Mount Airy is, and (3) it's a North Carolina town, for Pete's sake.

Mt. Airy is a control city on US-52, but whether or not NCDOT thinks it belongs as a control city on I-74 is subject to debate.  Historically, NCDOT has felt that Mt. Airy is too far removed from I-77 and as such, you get the tiny control city of Elkin instead.  I-74 gets much closer to Mt. Airy and actually has two nice methods of access from the [south], but still no good means of access from I-77 southbound (as well as I-74 eastbound).  If you can get there going northbound, but you are already too far past going southbound to make it worth the time to backtrack into the town, does it really qualify as a control city? 

Personally, I think that Mt. Airy is of such significant regional importance that the neither distance away from I-77 nor the backtrack needed from I-74 [southbound] should keep it from being a control city on either highway.  Mt. Airy now has more than 10,000 residents, and the population of Surry County is 71,359.  Not as big as Stateville/Iredell County, but the fact that it is near a major junction of two interstates should be sufficient (better than Fort Chiswell).
Not to mention, Mt. Airy and Pilot Mountain have inspired the classic sitcom The Andy Griffith Show, renamed to Mayberry and Mt. Pilot, respectively. There even is a Mayberry theme in downtown Mt. Airy, with the courthouse and jail, plus the Andy Griffith Museum and the house where he lived in his childhood years.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on October 26, 2021, 09:50:50 PM
Plus, NC Dot just signed Kings Mountain for the SB control city on the new signs at 85/321 in Gastonia.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Jmiles32 on October 26, 2021, 09:56:02 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on October 25, 2021, 06:30:27 PM
Quote from: ahj2000 on October 23, 2021, 10:41:57 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 23, 2021, 08:47:37 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on October 23, 2021, 06:44:57 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on October 23, 2021, 06:24:51 PM
Wytheville?? Not Mount Airy??
Would make more sense in North Carolina for now until I-74 gets signed in Virginia which is currently not right now.

Mount Airy is also bigger.

They probably chose Wytheville due to I-74 being officially approved up to there along I-77 up to I-81.  Virginia just refuses to sign it.
Would take 0 road work too. Would just be 77 through the whole state. Maybe with BGS replacement eventually...though after 25 or so years of approval I doubt it's any time soon.
Wytheville is, of course, at the junction of I-77 and I-81, so it is pretty well known to long-distance travelers. Mount Airy is, of course, the junction of I-74 and I-77. The populations are comparable: about 8000 at Wytheville and 10000 in Mount Airy. But (1) Mount Airy is closer, (2) I'll bet more people entering the interchange will know where Mount Airy is, and (3) it's a North Carolina town, for Pete's sake.

Man Virginia really owes NCDOT some favors. This is now the third North Carolina interstate that has a Virginia town as a control city despite the fact that it will likely never extend past the Virginia border (Interstate 73 with Martinsville and Interstate 785 with Danville being the other two). Hell it'll definitely happen with future I-87 too. Makes no sense to me that the same state that has Benson and Dunn as control cities on I-95 skips over the much more logical Mt. Airy. Furthermore, when looking back at previous signage designs for the Winston-Salem Beltway, it seems like Mt. Airy was originally the westbound I-74 control city. Wonder what the reasoning was to change it to the further and smaller Wytheville. Some might say its because Wytheville is near where I-77 meets I-81 but I would argue that that same logic could apply to Mt. Airy, which is where I-74 meets I-77.

Regarding the I-77/I-74 concurrency that at ends at the border, I could actually see some merit in extending that concurrency up to I-81 (but no further) once I-74 is fully complete to Winston-Salem. IMO Winston-Salem should be an additional control city at that interchange already since a lot of southbound traffic headed to Winston Salam and points south/east currently breaks off at the I-77/I-74 split. I mean clearly NCDOT thinks that a lot of northbound traffic from Winston-Salem is headed to Wytheville. Overall, a sign that says I-77/I-74 "Charlotte, Winston-Salem" at the eastern end of the I-81/I-77 concurrency seems like it would be more helpful than just I-77 "Charlotte".
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: plain on October 26, 2021, 10:38:15 PM
Actually (and ironically) the only thing holding VA back from upgrading the Danville Bypass to I-785 is NCDOT, because US 29.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 26, 2021, 11:16:11 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on October 25, 2021, 07:51:26 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 25, 2021, 06:49:23 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 25, 2021, 09:27:01 AM
I was under the impression that there was to be an interim opening to NC 66/University Pkwy before opening to US 52.

That was the original plan, but I guess someone at NCDOT realized at the last minute that building the beltway almost to US 52 and dumping into local roads at the last minute would be a really bad idea, because they said at some point that a connector to US 52 to the north will open at the same time as the NC 66-US 311 segment. Presumably, this will come in the form of completing at least part of the new I-74 mainline alignment early, serving as a replacement for the preexisting two-lane connector that is essentially being upgraded into the beltway.
Then someone needs to fix the exit list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston-Salem_Northern_Beltway
The listing has been revised. Given the delay in the completion of the US 311 to NC 66 University Pkwy segment from this past Sept. to next October, the US 52 interchange is now tentatively scheduled to be completed first (Sept. 2022). If the schedule holds then, there would be no need for a temporary connection.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on October 27, 2021, 12:56:48 AM
Quote from: plain on October 26, 2021, 10:38:15 PM
Actually (and ironically) the only thing holding VA back from upgrading the Danville Bypass to I-785 is NCDOT, because US 29.
I assume you mean it's not up to interstate standards?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: plain on October 27, 2021, 02:29:36 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on October 27, 2021, 06:00:37 AM
Quote from: plain on October 26, 2021, 10:38:15 PM
Actually (and ironically) the only thing holding VA back from upgrading the Danville Bypass to I-785 is NCDOT, because US 29.

I'd argue that the only thing holding VA back is VA. I seriously doubt they have any interest in upgrading the bypass just to benefit one city (unlike NC, where Greenville is the only reason for I-587's existence).

Once NCDOT finishes I-785, and since the state line also acts as Danville city limits, VDOT will simply say "Well, Danville finally has it's interstate", and call it a day without lifting a finger.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 27, 2021, 10:10:56 PM
Quote from: LM117 on October 27, 2021, 06:00:37 AM
Quote from: plain on October 26, 2021, 10:38:15 PM
Actually (and ironically) the only thing holding VA back from upgrading the Danville Bypass to I-785 is NCDOT, because US 29.

I'd argue that the only thing holding VA back is VA. I seriously doubt they have any interest in upgrading the bypass just to benefit one city (unlike NC, where Greenville is the only reason for I-587's existence).

Once NCDOT finishes I-785, and since the state line also acts as Danville city limits, VDOT will simply say "Well, Danville finally has it's interstate", and call it a day without lifting a finger.

VA is too focused on Northern VA and the Norfolk area. I feel like they usually ignore the rest of the state's needs unless otherwise. Look at how long it took for them to finally do something about I-81 widening. I have no idea what they're trying to accomplish by "refusing" to work with NCDOT.. or what their issue is....However, the irony is: MdDOT refused to work with VDOT when it comes to extending VA 28 past the Potomac River to hook up with I-370.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on October 27, 2021, 10:16:54 PM
How is VDOT "refusing" to work NCDOT? US-29 on the Virginia side is virtually interstate standards with the exception of that first interchange, it's the North Carolina side down towards Greensboro that has a non-limited-access segment to be upgraded still.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: seicer on October 27, 2021, 10:26:51 PM
It's all about funding priorities, not VDOT "refusing" to work with other agencies. As much as I would love to see VDOT build its section of four-lane US 48 from the West Virginia state line to I-81, in reality, US 48 doesn't carry that much traffic right now and the existing route isn't that bad. Hilly with long grades but nothing worse than other improved mountain grades.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 27, 2021, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on October 27, 2021, 10:16:54 PM
How is VDOT "refusing" to work NCDOT? US-29 on the Virginia side is virtually interstate standards with the exception of that first interchange, it's the North Carolina side down towards Greensboro that has a non-limited-access segment to be upgraded still.

I'm not talking about US 29 corridor because NCDOT is the one needs to do their part. I am talking about corridors in general.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on October 29, 2021, 12:59:53 AM
I'd complain I-74 itself near Winston-Salem is not up to interstate standards.

From High Point to Winston-Salem.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: abqtraveler on October 29, 2021, 01:27:32 PM
Quote from: seicer on October 27, 2021, 10:26:51 PM
It's all about funding priorities, not VDOT "refusing" to work with other agencies. As much as I would love to see VDOT build its section of four-lane US 48 from the West Virginia state line to I-81, in reality, US 48 doesn't carry that much traffic right now and the existing route isn't that bad. Hilly with long grades but nothing worse than other improved mountain grades.
Exactly, Virginia has been prioritizing projects in the DC/Northern Virginia suburbs at the expense of the rest of the state.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Love2drive on October 29, 2021, 08:19:41 PM
I saw last night on the Electronic sign that the ramp at exit 95B (73 North to Winston Salem) will be closed for two weeks beginning Nov 7th.  I assume they will detour that traffic to exit onto Business 85 South.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 06, 2021, 09:34:43 PM
I've updated my I-74 Segment 6 and 7 pages with new Google Maps Street View images taken from July to September showing the removal of US 311 shields in Guilford County:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg6signsgsv821g.jpg)

While showing they are still up in Randolph County:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg7signsgsv821d.jpg)

The full set of photos for each segment is available at:
https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg6.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg6.html#photos)  or
https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg7a.html (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg7a.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 08, 2021, 11:15:31 PM
I've added more Street View images to my I-74 Segment 4 page chronicling the construction of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway Eastern Section. Here's an image taken from the Stanleyville Drive bridge looking towards the future NC 66 interchange:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4constgsv821k.jpg)

More images are available at: https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on November 14, 2021, 11:57:43 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on March 11, 2021, 02:16:05 AM
Quote from: RoadPelican on March 10, 2021, 08:52:54 PM
Now I-73 is at least 65 MPH throughout it's whole length in NC.
For the most part, it is still 60 mph on its northern portion that was upgraded along existing US-220, unless that has finally been raised in the past year, plus a small 55 mph segment just south of I-85.
According to updated Street View, not only has that northern segment finally been increased from 60 mph to 65 mph, that small 55 mph segment south of the I-73 / I-85 beltway has been increased to 65 mph. Additionally, the US-220 freeway (inside the Beltway) between I-40 and I-73 has also been bumped to 60 mph.

So yes, now all of I-73 in North Carolina is at least 65 mph.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on December 06, 2021, 05:33:56 PM
For a reasonable connection for I-74 to happen, can this (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/36.1123097,-80.1211644/36.0945056,-80.0041551/@36.106067,-80.0766454,12.83z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0) part be signed as I-474 or any even I-x74? Or even I-640. Just my suggestions. Would be more appropriate for an interstate designation in my opinion.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 08, 2021, 08:12:03 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 06, 2021, 05:33:56 PM
For a reasonable connection for I-74 to happen, can this (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/36.1123097,-80.1211644/36.0945056,-80.0041551/@36.106067,-80.0766454,12.83z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0) part be signed as I-474 or any even I-x74? Or even I-640. Just my suggestions. Would be more appropriate for an interstate designation in my opinion.

Nah. US 421 is fine. It is planned to be 6-laned between the lines you posted in the future.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on December 09, 2021, 11:27:53 PM
Quote from: Strider on December 08, 2021, 08:12:03 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 06, 2021, 05:33:56 PM
For a reasonable connection for I-74 to happen, can this (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/36.1123097,-80.1211644/36.0945056,-80.0041551/@36.106067,-80.0766454,12.83z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0) part be signed as I-474 or any even I-x74? Or even I-640. Just my suggestions. Would be more appropriate for an interstate designation in my opinion.

Nah. US 421 is fine. It is planned to be 6-laned between the lines you posted in the future.
Okay...understandable of why we don't need so many interstates.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on December 10, 2021, 12:52:04 PM
Quote from: Strider on December 08, 2021, 08:12:03 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 06, 2021, 05:33:56 PM
For a reasonable connection for I-74 to happen, can this (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/36.1123097,-80.1211644/36.0945056,-80.0041551/@36.106067,-80.0766454,12.83z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0) part be signed as I-474 or any even I-x74? Or even I-640. Just my suggestions. Would be more appropriate for an interstate designation in my opinion.

Nah. US 421 is fine. It is planned to be 6-laned between the lines you posted in the future.
But wouldn't that mean that someone who is heading from the east to I-74 west would have to either leave the interstate system or go out of their way?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on December 10, 2021, 09:11:47 PM
^^

My point.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: architect77 on December 10, 2021, 09:30:19 PM
Quote from: Strider on October 27, 2021, 10:10:56 PM
Quote from: LM117 on October 27, 2021, 06:00:37 AM
Quote from: plain on October 26, 2021, 10:38:15 PM
Actually (and ironically) the only thing holding VA back from upgrading the Danville Bypass to I-785 is NCDOT, because US 29.

I'd argue that the only thing holding VA back is VA. I seriously doubt they have any interest in upgrading the bypass just to benefit one city (unlike NC, where Greenville is the only reason for I-587's existence).

Once NCDOT finishes I-785, and since the state line also acts as Danville city limits, VDOT will simply say "Well, Danville finally has it's interstate", and call it a day without lifting a finger.

VA is too focused on Northern VA and the Norfolk area. I feel like they usually ignore the rest of the state's needs unless otherwise. Look at how long it took for them to finally do something about I-81 widening. I have no idea what they're trying to accomplish by "refusing" to work with NCDOT.. or what their issue is....However, the irony is: MdDOT refused to work with VDOT when it comes to extending VA 28 past the Potomac River to hook up with I-370.

Rail is now what VA is investing in big time, thry bought the old S line for a future high speed train to Raleigh's Union Station.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Dirt Roads on December 10, 2021, 10:32:03 PM
Quote from: architect77 on December 10, 2021, 09:30:19 PM
Rail is now what VA is investing in big time, thry bought the old S line for a future high speed train to Raleigh's Union Station.

Actually, NCDOT Rail Division was going to purchase the entire S-Line in Virginia when VDRPT (Department of Rail and Passenger Transit) wasn't interested.  That purchase got tied up for a decade because of lack of funding, and VDRPT changed its tune in 2019.  I worked on the removal of signals from the old S-Line back in the late 1980s.  More info:  https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=30507.msg2679403#msg2679403 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=30507.msg2679403#msg2679403)

I was also one of the Project Managers on the upgrade of the Buckingham Branch Railroad (former C&O Old Main Line) from Doswell to Richmond Main Street Station.  Although that was technically part of the Southeast High Speed Rail Corridor, the best speeds along that section of track will likely not exceed 50MPH.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 21, 2021, 11:33:06 PM
I have added photos of I-74/Winston-Salem Northern Beltway construction taken by J. Austin Carter to my I-74 Segment 4 page. Including this view from the recently opened NC 8/Germanton Road bridge looking west:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4jac1121j.jpg)

The rest of the photos are at:
https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 31, 2021, 11:51:44 AM
I've posted my annual I-73/I-74 in NC and NC Future Interstates Year in Review for 2021 at:
https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/12/i-73i-74-and-nc-future-interstates-year.html (https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/12/i-73i-74-and-nc-future-interstates-year.html)

Enjoy.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on December 31, 2021, 06:01:13 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on December 31, 2021, 11:51:44 AM
I've posted my annual I-73/I-74 in NC and NC Future Interstates Year in Review for 2021 at:
https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/12/i-73i-74-and-nc-future-interstates-year.html (https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/12/i-73i-74-and-nc-future-interstates-year.html)

Enjoy.
We're all in your debt for your years of work documenting these projects. Thanks and Happy New Year.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on January 05, 2022, 12:03:58 PM
A contract has been awarded for building the next eastern section of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway between I-40 and US-421/Salem Parkway. Work can start next month and is expected to be complete by November 2026.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2022/2021-01-05-winston-salem-northern-beltway-contract-award.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2022/2021-01-05-winston-salem-northern-beltway-contract-award.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on January 05, 2022, 12:41:02 PM
Quote from: LM117 on January 05, 2022, 12:03:58 PM
A contract has been awarded for building the next eastern section of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway between I-40 and US-421/Salem Parkway. Work can start next month and is expected to be complete by November 2026.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2022/2021-01-05-winston-salem-northern-beltway-contract-award.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2022/2021-01-05-winston-salem-northern-beltway-contract-award.aspx)
So it will be done in two phases. Great.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on January 05, 2022, 06:53:24 PM
With all the construction inflation hitting NCDot, how did the bids compare to estimate?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: cowboy_wilhelm on January 05, 2022, 09:36:12 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on January 05, 2022, 06:53:24 PM
With all the construction inflation hitting NCDot, how did the bids compare to estimate?

The lowest bid on the beltway came in 2.7% over estimates ($6.9 million). I'm assuming there's some sort of threshold, because it was still awarded, and probably some exceptions are made. For example, the lowest bid for the Green River bridge rehab on I-26 came in 48.8% ($8.8 million) over estimates earlier this year, likely due to the increasing cost of steel. The contract was awarded anyway.

I have noticed several projects lately where all bids were rejected and the project was relet after the engineer's estimate was revised (Dare project R-5014 in the latest let is one example).

A few million here, a few million there... it adds up and delays other projects, which are also going up in cost....

12/21/2021 Letting (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Central%20Letting/12-21-2021%20Central%20Letting/Item%20C%20211221.pdf) Northern Beltway, Dare relet
12/7/2021 Letting (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Central%20Letting/12-07-2021%20Central%20Letting/Item%20C%20211207.pdf) Brunswick NC 211 (awarded, $24.8 million over estimate)
10/19/2021 Letting (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Central%20Letting/10-19-2021%20Central%20Letting/Item%20C%20211019.pdf) Dare rejected, Polk relet
3/16/2021 Letting (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Central%20Letting/03-16-2021%20Central%20Letting/L210316%20ITEM%20C.pdf) Henderson/Green River
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 05, 2022, 11:24:35 PM
I have posted new photos from the US 74 end of the I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass project taken by David Gallo:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11dg1221d.jpg)

Along with screen grabs taken from Google Maps Street View images taken in Sept. along the northern part of the project here:
https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on January 07, 2022, 07:14:39 PM
I have come across the idea that the western portions of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway might get tolled.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on January 07, 2022, 07:28:24 PM
And the reason why the flyover exists from NC-74 east to I-40 east is because you can expect traffic to jump on Union Cross road, heading south to I-74 east. So that could be a reason why they did that on purpose.

The next phase (I-40 to I-74) might begin in a few months after the section from US-421 to I-40 goes underway next month. So you can say that interchanges are overbuilt, well... not really.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mr. ENC on January 07, 2022, 11:10:13 PM
Quote from: cowboy_wilhelm on January 05, 2022, 09:36:12 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on January 05, 2022, 06:53:24 PM
With all the construction inflation hitting NCDot, how did the bids compare to estimate?

The lowest bid on the beltway came in 2.7% over estimates ($6.9 million). I'm assuming there's some sort of threshold, because it was still awarded, and probably some exceptions are made. For example, the lowest bid for the Green River bridge rehab on I-26 came in 48.8% ($8.8 million) over estimates earlier this year, likely due to the increasing cost of steel. The contract was awarded anyway.

I have noticed several projects lately where all bids were rejected and the project was relet after the engineer's estimate was revised (Dare project R-5014 in the latest let is one example).

A few million here, a few million there... it adds up and delays other projects, which are also going up in cost....

12/21/2021 Letting (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Central%20Letting/12-21-2021%20Central%20Letting/Item%20C%20211221.pdf) Northern Beltway, Dare relet
12/7/2021 Letting (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Central%20Letting/12-07-2021%20Central%20Letting/Item%20C%20211207.pdf) Brunswick NC 211 (awarded, $24.8 million over estimate)
10/19/2021 Letting (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Central%20Letting/10-19-2021%20Central%20Letting/Item%20C%20211019.pdf) Dare rejected, Polk relet
3/16/2021 Letting (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Central%20Letting/03-16-2021%20Central%20Letting/L210316%20ITEM%20C.pdf) Henderson/Green River

I done quite a bit of estimating on DOT jobs and the usual threshold is within 5% of the project budget. Also in every contract it does says NCDOT (or any municipality really) has the right to reject the bids.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on January 10, 2022, 03:55:01 PM
When looking at the construction in this  (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.204384,-80.2808106,3a,40.3y,259.64h,84.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUQqMrlOvbYM8-8k62odoNA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)street view, I wonder what all that green stuff on the left is... but it's coming up along nicely!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on January 10, 2022, 06:40:54 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on January 10, 2022, 03:55:01 PM
When looking at the construction in this  (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.204384,-80.2808106,3a,40.3y,259.64h,84.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUQqMrlOvbYM8-8k62odoNA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)street view, I wonder what all that green stuff on the left is... but it's coming up along nicely!
street view?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on January 10, 2022, 07:44:35 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on January 10, 2022, 06:40:54 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on January 10, 2022, 03:55:01 PM
When looking at the construction in this  (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.204384,-80.2808106,3a,40.3y,259.64h,84.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUQqMrlOvbYM8-8k62odoNA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)street view, I wonder what all that green stuff on the left is... but it's coming up along nicely!
street view?
Yes. Street view.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: zzcarp on January 10, 2022, 11:18:43 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on January 10, 2022, 03:55:01 PM
When looking at the construction in this  (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.204384,-80.2808106,3a,40.3y,259.64h,84.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUQqMrlOvbYM8-8k62odoNA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)street view, I wonder what all that green stuff on the left is... but it's coming up along nicely!

The green stuff is some sort of hydroseeding. It's basically a slurry of seeds and fertilizer. It helps prevent erosion of slopes until the vegetation can be established.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on January 11, 2022, 12:42:55 AM
Quote from: zzcarp on January 10, 2022, 11:18:43 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on January 10, 2022, 03:55:01 PM
When looking at the construction in this  (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.204384,-80.2808106,3a,40.3y,259.64h,84.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUQqMrlOvbYM8-8k62odoNA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)street view, I wonder what all that green stuff on the left is... but it's coming up along nicely!

The green stuff is some sort of hydroseeding. It's basically a slurry of seeds and fertilizer. It helps prevent erosion of slopes until the vegetation can be established.
Exciting!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: triplemultiplex on January 13, 2022, 09:38:18 AM
Quote from: zzcarp on January 10, 2022, 11:18:43 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on January 10, 2022, 03:55:01 PM
When looking at the construction in this  (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.204384,-80.2808106,3a,40.3y,259.64h,84.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUQqMrlOvbYM8-8k62odoNA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)street view, I wonder what all that green stuff on the left is... but it's coming up along nicely!

The green stuff is some sort of hydroseeding. It's basically a slurry of seeds and fertilizer. It helps prevent erosion of slopes until the vegetation can be established.

The matrix in hydroseed is basically paper pulp.  It's mostly post-consumer paper products finely shredded.  They dye it green for aesthetic reasons.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on January 13, 2022, 11:18:00 PM
I was going to say it's about time that there some update, especially from Google Street View in regards to progress on the Rockingham Bypass, as now can be seen from numerous roads that will go over or under I-73/74.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on January 17, 2022, 09:45:25 AM
When I-40 was widened from the Durham freeway (NC-147) to US-15/501 to six lanes in Durham, it gets very congested. It should have been eight lanes. Now with the Winston-Salem being built with 6 travel lanes, It always makes me think that it should have been 8 lanes altogether.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on January 19, 2022, 04:06:52 PM
Is the western segment being built with 4 or 6 lanes? Older plans show 4 lanes but I want to know if it has been updated. Thanks.

~Tolbs
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 24, 2022, 06:13:18 PM
NCDOT's new Tentative Letting List for Feb. 2022 to Jan. 2023 has just been published. Among the January 2023 lettings scheduled is the I-74 related project to replace the intersections of US 74 with NC 130 and NC 72 in Robeson County with one interchange. The estimated cost is $20.3 million. After this work is complete, it will leave only a small section south of the NC 130 intersection and Boardman that would need upgrades and then shoulder widening between NC 41 and US 76 to make this section between Lumberton and Whiteville interstate standard. The upgrade of the Chauncey Town Road intersection along US 74/76 in Columbus County to an interchange and the replacement of the Old Lake Road intersection with a bridge is still scheduled to be let in June 2022.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sturmde on January 25, 2022, 04:15:11 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 24, 2022, 06:13:18 PM
NCDOT's new Tentative Letting List for Feb. 2022 to Jan. 2023 has just been published. Among the January 2023 lettings scheduled is the I-74 related project to replace the intersections of US 74 with NC 130 and NC 172 in Robeson County with one interchange. The estimated cost is $20.3 million. After this work is complete, it will leave only a small section south of the NC 130 intersection and Boardman that would need upgrades and then shoulder widening between NC 41 and US 76 to make this section between Lumberton and Whiteville interstate standard. The upgrade of the Chauncey Town Road intersection along US 74/76 in Columbus County to an interchange and the replacement of the Old Lake Road intersection with a bridge is still scheduled to be let in June 2022.
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NC 72, not 172, yes?  Does the letting include the bridges over the Lumber, or is that what you meant by the small section south of the intersection?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 25, 2022, 10:38:44 PM
Quote from: sturmde on January 25, 2022, 04:15:11 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 24, 2022, 06:13:18 PM
NCDOT's new Tentative Letting List for Feb. 2022 to Jan. 2023 has just been published. Among the January 2023 lettings scheduled is the I-74 related project to replace the intersections of US 74 with NC 130 and NC 172 in Robeson County with one interchange. The estimated cost is $20.3 million. After this work is complete, this will leave only the intersection with Creek Road west of NC 72 and a small section south of the NC 130 intersection and Boardman that would need upgrades and then shoulder widening between NC 41 and US 76 to make this section between Lumberton and Whiteville interstate standard. The upgrade of the Chauncey Town Road intersection along US 74/76 in Columbus County to an interchange and the replacement of the Old Lake Road intersection with a bridge is still scheduled to be let in June 2022.
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NC 72, not 172, yes?  Does the letting include the bridges over the Lumber, or is that what you meant by the small section south of the intersection?
Yes, NC 72 (corrected). The small section includes 2 other intersections and the bridges. As far as I know the letting does not include the bridges over and in the vicinity of the Lumber River, though the bridge over the river itself at least appears to be close to current standards (there's also another intersection west of NC 72 at Creek Road, corrected above):
https://goo.gl/maps/Ax7VEkAUnAK6n6sj7 (https://goo.gl/maps/Ax7VEkAUnAK6n6sj7)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 26, 2022, 02:33:46 PM
Article in Winston-Salem Journal about the awarding of the next Beltway contract has NCDOT official stating that the section from US 311 to US 52 could be open by the end of this year, the entire I-74 section by the fall of 2026:
https://journalnow.com/news/local/contract-awarded-for-beltway-section-between-salem-parkway-and-i-40-in-winston-salem/article_545851ce-6da0-11ec-a99f-1329a8ec1887.html (https://journalnow.com/news/local/contract-awarded-for-beltway-section-between-salem-parkway-and-i-40-in-winston-salem/article_545851ce-6da0-11ec-a99f-1329a8ec1887.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on January 26, 2022, 06:49:16 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 26, 2022, 02:33:46 PM
Article in Winston-Salem Journal about the awarding of the next Beltway contract has NCDOT official stating that the section from US 311 to US 52 could be open by the end of this year, the entire I-74 section by the fall of 2026:
https://journalnow.com/news/local/contract-awarded-for-beltway-section-between-salem-parkway-and-i-40-in-winston-salem/article_545851ce-6da0-11ec-a99f-1329a8ec1887.html (https://journalnow.com/news/local/contract-awarded-for-beltway-section-between-salem-parkway-and-i-40-in-winston-salem/article_545851ce-6da0-11ec-a99f-1329a8ec1887.html)
awesomesauce! I can see they are moving fast with bringing the completion date up!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ahj2000 on January 27, 2022, 08:34:59 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on January 26, 2022, 06:49:16 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 26, 2022, 02:33:46 PM
Article in Winston-Salem Journal about the awarding of the next Beltway contract has NCDOT official stating that the section from US 311 to US 52 could be open by the end of this year, the entire I-74 section by the fall of 2026:
https://journalnow.com/news/local/contract-awarded-for-beltway-section-between-salem-parkway-and-i-40-in-winston-salem/article_545851ce-6da0-11ec-a99f-1329a8ec1887.html (https://journalnow.com/news/local/contract-awarded-for-beltway-section-between-salem-parkway-and-i-40-in-winston-salem/article_545851ce-6da0-11ec-a99f-1329a8ec1887.html)
awesomesauce! I can see they are moving fast with bringing the completion date up!
So if the beltway is done by 2026, how much work needs to be done on US 52 to bring it to I-77? I only drove over it once, but from what I can remember, that was a decently quality route
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: VTGoose on January 27, 2022, 09:08:13 AM
Quote from: ahj2000 on January 27, 2022, 08:34:59 AM
So if the beltway is done by 2026, how much work needs to be done on US 52 to bring it to I-77? I only drove over it once, but from what I can remember, that was a decently quality route

The actual route isn't bad but there are a lot of cross streets and narrow/non-existent shoulders. Massive pavement rehab will be needed on most of the highway.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on January 27, 2022, 01:01:23 PM
Quote from: VTGoose on January 27, 2022, 09:08:13 AM
Quote from: ahj2000 on January 27, 2022, 08:34:59 AM
So if the beltway is done by 2026, how much work needs to be done on US 52 to bring it to I-77? I only drove over it once, but from what I can remember, that was a decently quality route

The actual route isn't bad but there are a lot of cross streets
US-52 is a full freeway with overpasses and ramps between Winston-Salem and Mt. Airy?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tjcreasy on January 27, 2022, 07:24:26 PM
Yes albeit far from modern interstate standards.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on January 27, 2022, 09:03:12 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 26, 2022, 02:33:46 PM
Article in Winston-Salem Journal about the awarding of the next Beltway contract has NCDOT official stating that the section from US 311 to US 52 could be open by the end of this year, the entire I-74 section by the fall of 2026:
https://journalnow.com/news/local/contract-awarded-for-beltway-section-between-salem-parkway-and-i-40-in-winston-salem/article_545851ce-6da0-11ec-a99f-1329a8ec1887.html (https://journalnow.com/news/local/contract-awarded-for-beltway-section-between-salem-parkway-and-i-40-in-winston-salem/article_545851ce-6da0-11ec-a99f-1329a8ec1887.html)

I-74 from VA to Hamlet (or so) being done by 2026-27?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on January 27, 2022, 09:39:42 PM
Quote from: tjcreasy on January 27, 2022, 07:24:26 PM
Yes albeit far from modern interstate standards.
But my point is... there's no cross streets which is what was said.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Dirt Roads on January 27, 2022, 09:47:31 PM
Quote from: ahj2000 on January 27, 2022, 08:34:59 AM
So if the beltway is done by 2026, how much work needs to be done on US 52 to bring it to I-77? I only drove over it once, but from what I can remember, that was a decently quality route

Quote from: VTGoose on January 27, 2022, 09:08:13 AM
The actual route isn't bad but there are a lot of cross streets

Quote from: sprjus4 on January 27, 2022, 01:01:23 PM
US-52 is a full freeway with overpasses and ramps between Winston-Salem and Mt. Airy?

Quote from: tjcreasy on January 27, 2022, 07:24:26 PM
Yes albeit far from modern interstate standards.

But the upgraded sections have been brought up to full Interstate standards.  There's the upgraded King/Tobaccoville interchange (US-52 Exit 123) and the new bridges over the Little Yadkin River just north of King.  There's no doubt in my mind that NCDOT wants to make the full upgrade.  But there is no incentive to dump money into converting US-52 into I-74 when the older road is posted at 65 MPH.  [Insert same ole' rant here].
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on January 27, 2022, 10:05:15 PM
Once the Interstate 74 portion of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway is completed, there will still be a lot of work to complete 74 through the State of North Carolina. There will be upgrading the US 52 freeway to Interstate Standards, and ditto with upgrading the US 74 corridor to Interstate Standards, as well as deciding on a route to connect the US 74 corridor with the Carolina Bays Parkway in South Carolina (assuming Interstate 74 will still go that way). Given all that work, I could see the upgrades lasting through at least 2040 or 2050. Given all the other corridors in North Carolina that are receiving upgrades and future Interstate designations, North Carolina definitely has their work cut out for them.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on January 28, 2022, 07:50:57 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 27, 2022, 10:05:15 PM
Once the Interstate 74 portion of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway is completed, there will still be a lot of work to complete 74 through the State of North Carolina. There will be upgrading the US 52 freeway to Interstate Standards, and ditto with upgrading the US 74 corridor to Interstate Standards, as well as deciding on a route to connect the US 74 corridor with the Carolina Bays Parkway in South Carolina (assuming Interstate 74 will still go that way).

I seriously doubt I-74 will go to South Carolina, given the sensitive environment it would have to go through to reach the CBP from US-74. I can't see the Army Corps of Engineers signing off on that. Plus, Myrtle Beach is laser-focused on I-73 and no longer cares about I-74. I don't think Myrtle Beach would object to I-74 going to Wilmington as long as they get I-73.

QuoteGiven all the other corridors in North Carolina that are receiving upgrades and future Interstate designations, North Carolina definitely has their work cut out for them.

You can thank Toyota for one of them.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: VTGoose on January 28, 2022, 08:51:54 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 27, 2022, 09:39:42 PM
Quote from: tjcreasy on January 27, 2022, 07:24:26 PM
Yes albeit far from modern interstate standards.
But my point is... there's no cross streets which is what was said.

I stand corrected. I was making multiple trips two years ago and just remember the section from the end of the interstate into downtown wasn't the greatest ride.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on January 28, 2022, 03:15:31 PM
Quote from: LM117 on January 28, 2022, 07:50:57 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 27, 2022, 10:05:15 PM
Once the Interstate 74 portion of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway is completed, there will still be a lot of work to complete 74 through the State of North Carolina. There will be upgrading the US 52 freeway to Interstate Standards, and ditto with upgrading the US 74 corridor to Interstate Standards, as well as deciding on a route to connect the US 74 corridor with the Carolina Bays Parkway in South Carolina (assuming Interstate 74 will still go that way).

I seriously doubt I-74 will go to South Carolina, given the sensitive environment it would have to go through to reach the CBP from US-74. I can't see the Army Corps of Engineers signing off on that. Plus, Myrtle Beach is laser-focused on I-73 and no longer cares about I-74. I don't think Myrtle Beach would object to I-74 going to Wilmington as long as they get I-73.

QuoteGiven all the other corridors in North Carolina that are receiving upgrades and future Interstate designations, North Carolina definitely has their work cut out for them.

You can thank Toyota for one of them.

If anything, I would like I-74 go to Wilmington as there would already be an interstate heading towards Myrtle Beach from the same point (in this case, Rockingham, NC)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on January 31, 2022, 10:51:14 PM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on January 28, 2022, 03:15:31 PM
Quote from: LM117 on January 28, 2022, 07:50:57 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 27, 2022, 10:05:15 PM
Once the Interstate 74 portion of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway is completed, there will still be a lot of work to complete 74 through the State of North Carolina. There will be upgrading the US 52 freeway to Interstate Standards, and ditto with upgrading the US 74 corridor to Interstate Standards, as well as deciding on a route to connect the US 74 corridor with the Carolina Bays Parkway in South Carolina (assuming Interstate 74 will still go that way).

I seriously doubt I-74 will go to South Carolina, given the sensitive environment it would have to go through to reach the CBP from US-74. I can't see the Army Corps of Engineers signing off on that. Plus, Myrtle Beach is laser-focused on I-73 and no longer cares about I-74. I don't think Myrtle Beach would object to I-74 going to Wilmington as long as they get I-73.

QuoteGiven all the other corridors in North Carolina that are receiving upgrades and future Interstate designations, North Carolina definitely has their work cut out for them.

You can thank Toyota for one of them.

If anything, I would like I-74 go to Wilmington as there would already be an interstate heading towards Myrtle Beach from the same point (in this case, Rockingham, NC)

That, and also.. SC is focusing on building I-73, not I-74. Honestly, I think I-74 should have just ended at I-73 near Asheboro instead of multiplexing it all the way down to Rockingham.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on February 01, 2022, 01:26:07 AM
Quote from: Strider on January 31, 2022, 10:51:14 PM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on January 28, 2022, 03:15:31 PM
Quote from: LM117 on January 28, 2022, 07:50:57 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 27, 2022, 10:05:15 PM
Once the Interstate 74 portion of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway is completed, there will still be a lot of work to complete 74 through the State of North Carolina. There will be upgrading the US 52 freeway to Interstate Standards, and ditto with upgrading the US 74 corridor to Interstate Standards, as well as deciding on a route to connect the US 74 corridor with the Carolina Bays Parkway in South Carolina (assuming Interstate 74 will still go that way).

I seriously doubt I-74 will go to South Carolina, given the sensitive environment it would have to go through to reach the CBP from US-74. I can't see the Army Corps of Engineers signing off on that. Plus, Myrtle Beach is laser-focused on I-73 and no longer cares about I-74. I don't think Myrtle Beach would object to I-74 going to Wilmington as long as they get I-73.

QuoteGiven all the other corridors in North Carolina that are receiving upgrades and future Interstate designations, North Carolina definitely has their work cut out for them.

You can thank Toyota for one of them.

If anything, I would like I-74 go to Wilmington as there would already be an interstate heading towards Myrtle Beach from the same point (in this case, Rockingham, NC)

That, and also.. SC is focusing on building I-73, not I-74. Honestly, I think I-74 should have just ended at I-73 near Asheboro instead of multiplexing it all the way down to Rockingham.

Great to know about the I-73/74 system. If I-73 is ending at Myrtle Beach, then I-74 could just end at Wilmington as there were signed (as future I-74) segments between Rockingham and Wilmington.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on February 01, 2022, 02:23:10 AM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on February 01, 2022, 01:26:07 AM
Quote from: Strider on January 31, 2022, 10:51:14 PM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on January 28, 2022, 03:15:31 PM
Quote from: LM117 on January 28, 2022, 07:50:57 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 27, 2022, 10:05:15 PM
Once the Interstate 74 portion of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway is completed, there will still be a lot of work to complete 74 through the State of North Carolina. There will be upgrading the US 52 freeway to Interstate Standards, and ditto with upgrading the US 74 corridor to Interstate Standards, as well as deciding on a route to connect the US 74 corridor with the Carolina Bays Parkway in South Carolina (assuming Interstate 74 will still go that way).

I seriously doubt I-74 will go to South Carolina, given the sensitive environment it would have to go through to reach the CBP from US-74. I can't see the Army Corps of Engineers signing off on that. Plus, Myrtle Beach is laser-focused on I-73 and no longer cares about I-74. I don't think Myrtle Beach would object to I-74 going to Wilmington as long as they get I-73.

QuoteGiven all the other corridors in North Carolina that are receiving upgrades and future Interstate designations, North Carolina definitely has their work cut out for them.

You can thank Toyota for one of them.

If anything, I would like I-74 go to Wilmington as there would already be an interstate heading towards Myrtle Beach from the same point (in this case, Rockingham, NC)

That, and also.. SC is focusing on building I-73, not I-74. Honestly, I think I-74 should have just ended at I-73 near Asheboro instead of multiplexing it all the way down to Rockingham.

Great to know about the I-73/74 system. If I-73 is ending at Myrtle Beach, then I-74 could just end at Wilmington as there were signed (as future I-74) segments between Rockingham and Wilmington.
I don't think it even needs to go to Wilmington, it can end near Asheboro like Strider said.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ahj2000 on February 01, 2022, 09:46:58 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 01, 2022, 02:23:10 AM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on February 01, 2022, 01:26:07 AM
Quote from: Strider on January 31, 2022, 10:51:14 PM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on January 28, 2022, 03:15:31 PM
Quote from: LM117 on January 28, 2022, 07:50:57 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 27, 2022, 10:05:15 PM
Once the Interstate 74 portion of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway is completed, there will still be a lot of work to complete 74 through the State of North Carolina. There will be upgrading the US 52 freeway to Interstate Standards, and ditto with upgrading the US 74 corridor to Interstate Standards, as well as deciding on a route to connect the US 74 corridor with the Carolina Bays Parkway in South Carolina (assuming Interstate 74 will still go that way).

I seriously doubt I-74 will go to South Carolina, given the sensitive environment it would have to go through to reach the CBP from US-74. I can't see the Army Corps of Engineers signing off on that. Plus, Myrtle Beach is laser-focused on I-73 and no longer cares about I-74. I don't think Myrtle Beach would object to I-74 going to Wilmington as long as they get I-73.

QuoteGiven all the other corridors in North Carolina that are receiving upgrades and future Interstate designations, North Carolina definitely has their work cut out for them.

You can thank Toyota for one of them.

If anything, I would like I-74 go to Wilmington as there would already be an interstate heading towards Myrtle Beach from the same point (in this case, Rockingham, NC)

That, and also.. SC is focusing on building I-73, not I-74. Honestly, I think I-74 should have just ended at I-73 near Asheboro instead of multiplexing it all the way down to Rockingham.

Great to know about the I-73/74 system. If I-73 is ending at Myrtle Beach, then I-74 could just end at Wilmington as there were signed (as future I-74) segments between Rockingham and Wilmington.
I don't think it even needs to go to Wilmington, it can end near Asheboro like Strider said.
Leave Wilmington for I-38! (/s...maybe)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on February 01, 2022, 12:54:33 PM
If you're going to get rid of I-74 east of I-73, I would think the remainder in NC would be better off as an I-x73 number given that the WV/OH portion will never be built.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on February 01, 2022, 07:42:48 PM
Quote from: vdeane on February 01, 2022, 12:54:33 PM
If you're going to get rid of I-74 east of I-73, I would think the remainder in NC would be better off as an I-x73 number given that the WV/OH portion will never be built.

What I was going to think too, especially with me questioning how busy the Charlotte-Wilmington corridor is.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on February 01, 2022, 08:00:16 PM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on February 01, 2022, 07:42:48 PM
Quote from: vdeane on February 01, 2022, 12:54:33 PM
If you're going to get rid of I-74 east of I-73, I would think the remainder in NC would be better off as an I-x73 number given that the WV/OH portion will never be built.

What I was going to think too, especially with me questioning how busy the Charlotte-Wilmington corridor is.
That corridor is warranted, however completely independent of the I-74 system.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 01, 2022, 08:32:24 PM
Quote from: vdeane on February 01, 2022, 12:54:33 PM
If you're going to get rid of I-74 east of I-73, I would think the remainder in NC would be better off as an I-x73 number given that the WV/OH portion will never be built.

Or just make it a Southern I-79, which at least works numbering wise.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on February 01, 2022, 08:45:51 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on February 01, 2022, 08:32:24 PM
Quote from: vdeane on February 01, 2022, 12:54:33 PM
If you're going to get rid of I-74 east of I-73, I would think the remainder in NC would be better off as an I-x73 number given that the WV/OH portion will never be built.

Or just make it a Southern I-79, which at least works numbering wise.
It's a bit short for a 2di and the other half of why I liked my idea was to eliminate a 2di, but at least with I-79 we could claim that there's a silent concurrency with I-77.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on February 01, 2022, 08:57:47 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 01, 2022, 08:00:16 PM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on February 01, 2022, 07:42:48 PM
Quote from: vdeane on February 01, 2022, 12:54:33 PM
If you're going to get rid of I-74 east of I-73, I would think the remainder in NC would be better off as an I-x73 number given that the WV/OH portion will never be built.

What I was going to think too, especially with me questioning how busy the Charlotte-Wilmington corridor is.
That corridor is warranted, however completely independent of the I-74 system.

That is true other than the Rockingham-Wilmington portion being partially signed.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tjcreasy on February 02, 2022, 12:29:39 AM
I like the I-79 idea a lot. Co-sign I-79 on I-77 until US 19 can be upgraded.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on February 19, 2022, 07:51:30 PM
Even if I-74 DID go to Wilmington, new alignments would need to be built around Delco and Carolina Pointe. Development is a little too heavy to upgrade on the existing alignment.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on February 19, 2022, 08:07:24 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 25, 2021, 06:49:23 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 25, 2021, 09:27:01 AM
I was under the impression that there was to be an interim opening to NC 66/University Pkwy before opening to US 52.

That was the original plan, but I guess someone at NCDOT realized at the last minute that building the beltway almost to US 52 and dumping into local roads at the last minute would be a really bad idea, because they said at some point that a connector to US 52 to the north will open at the same time as the NC 66-US 311 segment. Presumably, this will come in the form of completing at least part of the new I-74 mainline alignment early, serving as a replacement for the preexisting two-lane connector that is essentially being upgraded into the beltway.
Wikipedia shows that the highway will open to traffic on September 2021 (which has passed already) and it shows September 2022.

When looking at the sentinel explorer, you can see work looks nearly complete from the NC-66 (university parkway) to US-311 when compared to US-52.

And I feel like the same would be done that way for I-295 in Fayetteville. Work has appeared to have stalled near the Camden Road project for that reason.

And to add, the part that goes from the Salem Parkway to I-40 as well as the part from I-40 to I-74 (former US-311) will be all done in one phase. The contract for the I-40 to the I-74 piece is expected to be awarded in October.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: PColumbus73 on February 19, 2022, 08:17:48 PM
If US 74 is fully upgraded, I can support signing it as I-34 from I-26 to Wilmington.

I definitely agree that extending I-74 to Myrtle Beach would be functionally useless, it wouldn't even function that well as an evacuation route. Instead of I-74, a 4-laned divided highway from about SC 22 to US 74 in Chadbourn would be much more beneficial to the area, maybe as an extension of US 378.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on February 20, 2022, 10:32:51 AM
But until now, an interstate is currently not planned to go to Wilmington.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on February 20, 2022, 05:58:08 PM
Except here on the Forum.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on February 20, 2022, 07:04:11 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 20, 2022, 10:32:51 AM
But until now, an interstate is currently not planned to go to Wilmington.

It should just go to Wilmington. Most of us have been saying that. I don't see the point of having I-74 going to Myrtle Beach as I-73 is eventually going there when built.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on February 20, 2022, 07:22:12 PM
Quote from: Strider on February 20, 2022, 07:04:11 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 20, 2022, 10:32:51 AM
But until now, an interstate is currently not planned to go to Wilmington.

It should just go to Wilmington. Most of us have been saying that. I don't see the point of having I-74 going to Myrtle Beach as I-73 is eventually going there when built.
Yeah it makes no reason why it should go to Myrtle beach instead of Wilmington but I feel like the I-74 corridor east of I-95 is dead. I feel like I-74 should just terminate at I-95 if the corridor east of that is dead officially. I have a feeling it could possibly stay as US-74. Yes there is work being done to convert it into a freeway and bringing it up to interstate standards, but I don't think NCDOT and SCDOT even bother building I-74 east of Lumberton anymore.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on February 20, 2022, 09:51:46 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 20, 2022, 07:22:12 PM
Quote from: Strider on February 20, 2022, 07:04:11 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 20, 2022, 10:32:51 AM
But until now, an interstate is currently not planned to go to Wilmington.

It should just go to Wilmington. Most of us have been saying that. I don't see the point of having I-74 going to Myrtle Beach as I-73 is eventually going there when built.
Yeah it makes no reason why it should go to Myrtle beach instead of Wilmington but I feel like the I-74 corridor east of I-95 is dead. I feel like I-74 should just terminate at I-95 if the corridor east of that is dead officially. I have a feeling it could possibly stay as US-74. Yes there is work being done to convert it into a freeway and bringing it up to interstate standards, but I don't think NCDOT and SCDOT even bother building I-74 east of Lumberton anymore.
In the relatively near future I-74 will be complete east of Lumberton to the mythical point where it would turn to Myrtle Beach. Then what? Well, nothing, because we know it's not making that turn. How long would it take then for people to ask, why don't we finish this thing to Wilmington? My guess, not vey long.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on February 20, 2022, 10:30:24 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on February 20, 2022, 05:58:08 PM
Except here on the Forum.

And mtr before that.  Routing 74 to Wilmington posts are the southeast's equivalent to the I hate I-99 posts of 20-25 years ago.

Governor Easley proposed I-20 to Wilmington late in his last term.  Seems like it was yesterday but going on 15 years now.  That would be a great option (possibly better) but that died quickly.

If they ever do change 74's routing - i believe it may have to be done legislatively since it was written into law as an HPC.  The truncation from Charleston and then to Georgetown was done by legislation.    I do not think you will see an AASHTO change vs. a push by a Southeastern NC congressional delegation to make the change.

If by an aashto route, I can see an x74 to Wilmington. 

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on February 20, 2022, 11:14:34 PM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on February 20, 2022, 10:30:24 PM
Governor Easley proposed I-20 to Wilmington late in his last term.  Seems like it was yesterday but going on 15 years now.  That would be a great option (possibly better) but that died quickly.
It would be a waste of money, which would be better off spent on widening I-95.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on February 21, 2022, 01:04:20 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 20, 2022, 11:14:34 PM
It would be a waste of money, which would be better off spent on widening I-95.

The fact that NCDOT has yet to publicly route I-74 south of Bolton is a strong indication they agree with you.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on February 21, 2022, 02:18:02 AM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on February 21, 2022, 01:04:20 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 20, 2022, 11:14:34 PM
It would be a waste of money, which would be better off spent on widening I-95.

The fact that NCDOT has yet to publicly route I-74 south of Bolton is a strong indication they agree with you.
I'm referring to the extension of Interstate 20 east of I-95. It would only shave around 10-15 miles off the existing I-95 -> I-74 / US-74 route, and given the volumes on US-74 east of I-95 are only around 10,000 AADT, the I-20 extension would serve a minimal amount of traffic and likely cost over $1 billion.

I'd rather them spend that $1 billion widening the I-95 portion of the route, which would also address capacity issues on I-95 at the same time. A much better investment of limited dollars.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on February 21, 2022, 09:33:57 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 21, 2022, 02:18:02 AM
I'm referring to the extension of Interstate 20 east of I-95. It would only shave around 10-15 miles off the existing I-95 -> I-74 / US-74 route, and given the volumes on US-74 east of I-95 are only around 10,000 AADT, the I-20 extension would serve a minimal amount of traffic and likely cost over $1 billion.

I'd rather them spend that $1 billion widening the I-95 portion of the route, which would also address capacity issues on I-95 at the same time. A much better investment of limited dollars.

South Carolina never signed-off on the idea and they have a pretty good track record of dragging their feet on interstate construction. That's why when the governor left office, his dream of a I-20 extension went with him.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on March 13, 2022, 12:51:29 PM
Can US-220 be moved back onto its original alignment between Greensboro and Emery or did they intentionally not move it back for political reasons?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 14, 2022, 12:12:57 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 13, 2022, 12:51:29 PM
Can US-220 be moved back onto its original alignment between Greensboro and Emery or did they intentionally not move it back for political reasons?

NCDOT can do that, but they are not planning on doing it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on March 14, 2022, 02:36:52 PM
I'd much rather truncate the US 220 designation than relocate it back to its ordinal alignment. In fact, I'd like US 220 to be truncated to the current northern terminus of Interstate 73 northeast of Stokesdale (and be truncated further if more of Interstate 73 is constructed northward towards Martinsville, and if it ever makes it to Roanoke). On the other end, US 220 should eventually be truncated to Interstate 99's present southern terminus in Bedford, Pennsylvania (existing US 220 between Pennsdale and South Waverly can become PA 220).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sturmde on March 14, 2022, 05:44:04 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on February 21, 2022, 01:04:20 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 20, 2022, 11:14:34 PM
It would be a waste of money, which would be better off spent on widening I-95.

The fact that NCDOT has yet to publicly route I-74 south of Bolton is a strong indication they agree with you.

The solution is clear.... I-74 can follow US 74/76 all the way to I-140.  At that point, it can change directions (a la I-69 in Michigan) and suddenly become I-74 SOUTH and take over I-140 to US 17.  It can continue along the US 17 parallel route and then pick up SC 31 as planned.
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This requires no change in legislation... it still traverses North Carolina, and crosses the border into South Carolina where planned.  It just requires the disbelief of I-74 making a right angle turn of sorts, and becoming a NORTH/SOUTH route to its end south of Myrtle Beach.  The precedent for changing direction exists already with Michigan's I-69, and the precedents for ending near an ocean are many... and even in the middle of the country (I-27, I-44, I-39) not at another interstate.
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No need at all to make it an I-x74.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on March 19, 2022, 09:52:56 PM
If this hasn't been mentioned yet, western segments of the beltway (EA and D) have been accelerated 1 year I think. They were originally scheduled to begin in 2028, but not the DOT website shows that they will begin in 2027 with the rest of the remaining segments to begin in 2028. Previously they were either unfunded or had a start date of 2029. I'm happy to hear about this

https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/wsnb/Pages/default.aspx

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: tolbs17 on March 21, 2022, 05:56:11 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 20, 2022, 11:14:34 PM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on February 20, 2022, 10:30:24 PM
Governor Easley proposed I-20 to Wilmington late in his last term.  Seems like it was yesterday but going on 15 years now.  That would be a great option (possibly better) but that died quickly.
It would be a waste of money, which would be better off spent on widening I-95.
New alignment of I-20 or following I-95 and US74/76?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: fillup420 on March 21, 2022, 07:05:16 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 21, 2022, 05:56:11 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 20, 2022, 11:14:34 PM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on February 20, 2022, 10:30:24 PM
Governor Easley proposed I-20 to Wilmington late in his last term.  Seems like it was yesterday but going on 15 years now.  That would be a great option (possibly better) but that died quickly.
It would be a waste of money, which would be better off spent on widening I-95.
New alignment of I-20 or following I-95 and US74/76?
I would say roughly follow US 76 the whole way. a new-build northern bypass using a bit of I-95 would probably be the best route around and out of Florence. The I-20/I-95 interchange is already sort of built for I-20 east to swing north on I-95. 20 could depart 95 just north of US 52, and rejoin US 76 near the Florence airport. Some new location would also be beneficial between Marion and Chadbourn to avoid town centers.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on March 21, 2022, 08:28:46 PM
This is fictional. Reality: If South Carolina can't figure out a way to build I-73 to take people to Myrtle Beach there's no chance it will want to build a road to take people to North Carolina beaches.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on March 21, 2022, 09:09:01 PM
Quote from: fillup420 on March 21, 2022, 07:05:16 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 21, 2022, 05:56:11 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 20, 2022, 11:14:34 PM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on February 20, 2022, 10:30:24 PM
Governor Easley proposed I-20 to Wilmington late in his last term.  Seems like it was yesterday but going on 15 years now.  That would be a great option (possibly better) but that died quickly.
It would be a waste of money, which would be better off spent on widening I-95.
New alignment of I-20 or following I-95 and US74/76?
I would say roughly follow US 76 the whole way. a new-build northern bypass using a bit of I-95 would probably be the best route around and out of Florence. The I-20/I-95 interchange is already sort of built for I-20 east to swing north on I-95. 20 could depart 95 just north of US 52, and rejoin US 76 near the Florence airport. Some new location would also be beneficial between Marion and Chadbourn to avoid town centers.
Still not worth the cost. I-95 / I-74 is sufficient, and limited spending could be used to expand I-95 to 6 lanes.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 22, 2022, 10:19:43 PM
I've added new photos courtesy of David Gallo and Tracy Hamm of the construction of a new Future I-74 interchange in Boardman, such as:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg17dg322c.jpg)

to my I-74 Segment 17 page, the rest of the photos at: https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg17.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg17.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 04, 2022, 10:38:49 PM
NCDOT temporarily closing Old Walkertown Road as part of Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74) project:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2022/2022-04-04-forsyth-county-one-month-improvement.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2022/2022-04-04-forsyth-county-one-month-improvement.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 06, 2022, 10:27:13 PM
I've added some additional photos of the Boardman interchange project courtesy of David Gallo, this from US 74 West:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg17dg322o.jpg)

Other new images at bottom of photo section of the I-74 Segment 17 page:
https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg17.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg17.html#photos)

In other news, the completion date for the I-74/Beltway interchange with US 52 has been moved from October 2022 to July 2023. Don't know yet if this will have an effect to the opening date of the section from US 311 to NC 66, scheduled for the end of the year.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 08, 2022, 10:35:16 PM
The first week of May marks the 25th anniversary of the first signing of I-73 and I-74 in NC along the new 'US 220 Bypass' between Ulah and Steeds (later that year the signage was extended further south along the (still) substandard existing US 220 freeway to Candor). From that small 12 mile highway beginning, I-73 now runs continuously just over 100 miles from north of Greensboro to north of Rockingham, while I-74 is in 3 distinct segments (with another segment signed as NC 74) between the NC/VA border and east of Lumberton.

The latest news is that the second to last section of the Future I-74 Winston-Salem Northern Beltway, from US 421 to I-40, is now under construction, due to be completed in early 2027. The final segment, due to be completed around the same time, is to be let this October. The current section under construction from US 311 to NC 66 is now over 90% complete and is due to be open this October. The project constructing the Beltway and US 52 interchange is now scheduled to be completed in the spring of 2023. Construction on the I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass is still set to be completed in the spring of 2024, and is almost 50% complete. The contract to build a new interchange between US 74/76 and Chauncey Town Road east of Whiteville is scheduled to be let in June. Work on upgrading the intersection between US 74 and Old Boardman Road to an interchange in Columbus County is now nearly 43% complete. All this information is now posted on my I-73/I-74 in NC website, now in its 20th year:
https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/index.html (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/index.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 20, 2022, 11:59:08 AM
Lane closures along I-40 in Winston-Salem this weekend due to Beltway (I-74) project:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2022/2022-05-20-closures-for-winston-salem-northern-beltway-project.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2022/2022-05-20-closures-for-winston-salem-northern-beltway-project.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 24, 2022, 10:30:36 PM
NCDOT's advertisements for the June 21 Central Contract Letting include the project to upgrade the Chauncey Town Road intersection on US 74/76 in Columbus County to an interchange and replace the intersection with Old Lake Road with a bridge. Sign plans for the future Chauncey Town Road interchange indicate it will be called Lake Waccamaw and be numbered 252:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg18exit252signplanr.jpg)

Plans also indicate the 70 MPH speed limit will be continued 2 miles beyond the new exit. This will be 4 miles before the last current I-74 numbered exit (258) along US 74/76 at NC 211.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on May 25, 2022, 01:31:44 AM
^ Good to see the speed limit slightly extended, but it couldn't be increased to 70 mph all the way to NC-211 once those two intersections are done? As far as I can see, it's all fully controlled access highway, has the same cross section (albeit a smaller 46 ft median - but that should be no factor) and cable barrier installed.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on May 25, 2022, 10:27:14 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 25, 2022, 01:31:44 AM
^ Good to see the speed limit slightly extended, but it couldn't be increased to 70 mph all the way to NC-211 once those two intersections are done? As far as I can see, it's all fully controlled access highway, has the same cross section (albeit a smaller 46 ft median - but that should be no factor) and cable barrier installed.
The reason for that is because NC 211 is where I-74 is supposed to turn southeast, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Sierra Club is fighting that section tooth and nail and demanding that it continue directly to Wilmington instead.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 25, 2022, 06:56:28 PM
Quote from: Henry on May 25, 2022, 10:27:14 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 25, 2022, 01:31:44 AM
^ Good to see the speed limit slightly extended, but it couldn't be increased to 70 mph all the way to NC-211 once those two intersections are done? As far as I can see, it's all fully controlled access highway, has the same cross section (albeit a smaller 46 ft median - but that should be no factor) and cable barrier installed.
The reason for that is because NC 211 is where I-74 is supposed to turn southeast, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Sierra Club is fighting that section tooth and nail and demanding that it continue directly to Wilmington instead.

If the Sierra Club takes it to court, I think they will win that battle. That stupid downward turn from NC-211 is completely unnecessary and useless, and I doubt anyone at NCDOT today would disagree, even if they won't admit it publicly. I wouldn't be surprised if NCDOT secretly hopes that it gets struck down so that NCDOT could then say "Welp, we tried ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" and finally have a solid case to force Congress's hand to change I-74's routing to Wilmington where it belongs.

I'm not a fan of the Sierra Club, but I would happily root for them on this one.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on May 25, 2022, 11:04:19 PM
Quote from: Henry on May 25, 2022, 10:27:14 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 25, 2022, 01:31:44 AM
^ Good to see the speed limit slightly extended, but it couldn't be increased to 70 mph all the way to NC-211 once those two intersections are done? As far as I can see, it's all fully controlled access highway, has the same cross section (albeit a smaller 46 ft median - but that should be no factor) and cable barrier installed.
The reason for that is because NC 211 is where I-74 is supposed to turn southeast, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Sierra Club is fighting that section tooth and nail and demanding that it continue directly to Wilmington instead.
I-74 south of Bolton is useless, but that's not what I'm referring to. I'm simply talking about the speed limit on US-74 and why it cannot be 70 mph all the way to NC-211 (where the fully controlled access segment transitions to a partially controlled access where the maximum speed limit can only be 60 mph) once the two interchanges in question to the west are complete.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 14, 2022, 11:42:08 PM
In addition to the news from the Draft 2024-2033 STIP that most of the remaining I-73/I-74 projects won't start until at least 2034, the completion date for the I-73/74 Rockingham Bypass has been revised to the fall of 2025 in the latest listing in the NCDOT Construction Progress Report, the original completion date was to be the fall of 2023. Work is almost 50% complete.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 11, 2022, 12:37:58 PM
NCDOT has awarded the contract to upgrade the Chauncey Town Road intersection in Lake Waccamaw on US 74/76 (Future I-74) to an interchange (plus build a roundabout at that road's intersection with NC 214) and create a bridge to replace the Old Lake Road intersection. Work can start next month and should conclude by the summer of 2025:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2022/2022-07-11-upgrading-columbus-county-highway.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2022/2022-07-11-upgrading-columbus-county-highway.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 17, 2022, 11:33:33 PM
Google Maps Street View has updated their images along some of roadways intersecting the future I-74 Winston-Salem Northern Beltway from US 311 to US 52 to May 2022. I have posted screen shots taken from these updates on both my I-74 Segment 3 and 4 pages showing construction progress, especially along the new southbound lanes in vicinity of the future I-74/Winston-Salem Northern Beltway interchange:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4gsv522i.jpg)

And of the Beltway itself from the US 52 bridges, such as:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4gsv522m.jpg)

All the images on the Segment 4 page are at:


While the Segment 3 images are down on the page in the photos section:
[url]https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg3.html]https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos[/img]

While the Segment 3 images are down on the page in the photos section:
[url]https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg3.html (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos%5B/img)

Images from the I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass construction, also from May 2022, coming soon.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on July 18, 2022, 08:24:19 AM
Wonder when we might see some updated Google Ariel imagry. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: carbaugh2 on August 09, 2022, 12:29:19 PM
Found this article on the Winston-Salem beltway progress.

https://journalnow.com/news/local/progress-is-visible-in-prominent-places-along-the-northern-beltway-in-winston-salem/article_10e52ed4-fe33-11ec-8aa6-d338db8f606d.html
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on August 16, 2022, 08:04:21 AM
bob7374 mentiond up thread about the Rockingham bypass.

They are definitely making progress

View from the US 220 exit ramp:

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.9962521,-79.7793579,3a,75y,238.89h,89.45t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sjZE4c7Z6eZ2ZgtlMZUUcSw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DjZE4c7Z6eZ2ZgtlMZUUcSw%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D156.46964%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

The road here is paved and painted and ready to go as of May 2022

This view from Harrington Road to the South is older (September 2021) but also shows the northern section as paved (but not finished).

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.9931091,-79.7833291,3a,30y,64.11h,82.34t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sOhy1hKvg7zZmOTud2ob1CQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DOhy1hKvg7zZmOTud2ob1CQ%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D187.81697%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

Further South, as of September 2021, not much work underway at Dave Kings Road:

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.9875889,-79.7967258,3a,27.5y,46.19h,96.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjGWjR12jnAf5XCZePCu-TQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Plenty of construction (May 2022) at Business US 74:

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.9533209,-79.8399495,3a,35.7y,125.79h,95.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s68-ByyTOIeKxvoAfogxNwA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

And construction (May 2022) at US 74:

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.9447976,-79.8459122,3a,75y,31.41h,85.95t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sD1e4y9ByliKj0O5Kaei_lA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DD1e4y9ByliKj0O5Kaei_lA%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D1.8421167%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192



Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 04, 2022, 11:40:14 PM
On August 19, NCDOT released plans related to the last segment of the I-74 Winston-Salem Northern Beltway project from I-40 to I-74 east of the city.  Among the plans were 5 sets of signing plans.  They cover signage on the Beltway, on I-40 and other intersecting routes plus along US 52, Future NC 192 and I-77. For the Beltway the plans mostly document how the pull through and ramp signage will be revised from NC 74 to I-74 when it is completed, such as at US 158:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4signplansus158wramp.jpg)

All the new plans for the Beltway can be found at: https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#signplans (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#signplans)

The plans for US 52 involve the changing of exit numbers to match I-74 mileage and the installation of new mile markers, similar to what recently occurred on US 264 for Future I-587. Here's the new exit number for the Pilot Mountain State Park exit:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg3signplansexit26a.jpg)

The full set can be found at:https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg3.html (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg3.html)

Curiously, they are also appearing to be changing the exit number for the I-74 exit on I-77 South to that based on I-74 mileage, so that I-74 can exit itself:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg1signplansebi77exit5.jpg)

The plans with the exit numbers for the future NC 192 that will replace I-74 west of the future Beltway exit, include:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4signplansnc192exits23.jpg)

I-40 East will be Exit 1. It is unknown whether all these sign and exit numbers changes will wait until the completion of this contract in 2026, or, especially in the case of US 52, whether they will occur earlier.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 05, 2022, 07:46:24 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on September 04, 2022, 11:40:14 PM
Curiously, they are also appearing to be changing the exit number for the I-74 exit on I-77 South to that based on I-74 mileage, so that I-74 can exit itself:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg1signplansebi77exit5.jpg)

Ok, that's WTF time.  This shouldn't change.  Somebody should get a hold of NCDOT on this one.

If they're going to try and change this, they then need to change the MM's too.

It doesn't help that the sole I-74 shield (at least going NB) is no more.
https://goo.gl/maps/muRuugA7zgn1hrqs5 (09/19)
https://goo.gl/maps/vgvtjNwg4sXByhpB9 (09/21)

SB is still in it's place as of 09/21. https://goo.gl/maps/qsxW19BWvQELH4tP6
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on September 05, 2022, 10:15:35 AM
Also, if the exits were renumbered based on 74 being the primary route, the tab would need to be over the 77 half
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 05, 2022, 12:14:01 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 05, 2022, 07:46:24 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on September 04, 2022, 11:40:14 PM
Curiously, they are also appearing to be changing the exit number for the I-74 exit on I-77 South to that based on I-74 mileage, so that I-74 can exit itself:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg1signplansebi77exit5.jpg)

Ok, that's WTF time.  This shouldn't change.  Somebody should get a hold of NCDOT on this one.

If they're going to try and change this, they then need to change the MM's too.

It doesn't help that the sole I-74 shield (at least going NB) is no more.
https://goo.gl/maps/muRuugA7zgn1hrqs5 (09/19)
https://goo.gl/maps/vgvtjNwg4sXByhpB9 (09/21)

SB is still in it's place as of 09/21. https://goo.gl/maps/qsxW19BWvQELH4tP6
A closer look at the plans shows they are changing mile markers. Mile Marker 2 is to be installed just west/north of the bridge carrying SR 1602/Maple Grove Church Road. Mile Marker 3 just east/south of the weigh station and Mile Marker 4 at the merge point west/north of I-74 with I-77. I will post these plans later on my site and with this post.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on September 05, 2022, 12:19:46 PM
This is stupid.  I-74 will never be signed in VA or completed in WV or OH.  Why is NCDOT doing this?  IMO I-74 should be truncated to not have an overlap with I-77 at all.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MATraveler128 on September 05, 2022, 12:46:29 PM
Quote from: vdeane on September 05, 2022, 12:19:46 PM
This is stupid.  I-74 will never be signed in VA or completed in WV or OH.  Why is NCDOT doing this?  IMO I-74 should be truncated to not have an overlap with I-77 at all.

I guess they're still holding out hope that Virginia will post I-74 shields along their stretch of I-77. West Virginia is flat broke and can't afford to spend money to build a freeway along US 52 and Ohio has zero interest in any new Interstates. There's no need for VDOT to spend money to sign I-74 when there's much more important things to be done in the state first. I'd say I-73 reaching completion is more likely and even that is a long way off.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on September 05, 2022, 12:51:07 PM
Quote from: vdeane on September 05, 2022, 12:19:46 PM
This is stupid.  I-74 will never be signed in VA or completed in WV or OH.  Why is NCDOT doing this?  IMO I-74 should be truncated to not have an overlap with I-77 at all.

Virginia did formally request and AASHTO approved I-74 be added to I-77 south of I-81 in October 1996.  I have wondered if the steps NCDOT is now taking to have a more continuous I-74 north of Winston-Salem would be what VDOT was waiting for to post I-74.

I have e-mailed VDOT with this question this afternoon.  We'll see what kind of response I get.  It might be VDOT forgot they added I-74 26 years ago.

Otherwise, if VDOT has no intention of signing I-74 south of I-81 then I agree what NCDOT is doing makes zero sense for the I-77 portion.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on September 05, 2022, 01:02:36 PM
It still makes no sense for a north-south highway to have exit numbers and mileposts be backwards just because I-74 is the lower number.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 05, 2022, 02:38:36 PM
Quote from: vdeane on September 05, 2022, 01:02:36 PM
It still makes no sense for a north-south highway to have exit numbers and mileposts be backwards just because I-74 is the lower number.

Well, I do not see this changing for I-40/I-85 any time soon so why does it need to be done here.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Jmiles32 on September 05, 2022, 03:28:38 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on September 05, 2022, 12:51:07 PM
Quote from: vdeane on September 05, 2022, 12:19:46 PM
This is stupid.  I-74 will never be signed in VA or completed in WV or OH.  Why is NCDOT doing this?  IMO I-74 should be truncated to not have an overlap with I-77 at all.

Virginia did formally request and AASHTO approved I-74 be added to I-77 south of I-81 in October 1996.  I have wondered if the steps NCDOT is now taking to have a more continuous I-74 north of Winston-Salem would be what VDOT was waiting for to post I-74.

I have e-mailed VDOT with this question this afternoon.  We'll see what kind of response I get.  It might be VDOT forgot they added I-74 26 years ago.

Otherwise, if VDOT has no intention of signing I-74 south of I-81 then I agree what NCDOT is doing makes zero sense for the I-77 portion.

I am very curious to see how they respond as well. I've always assumed that part of the reason why "Wytheville" is used as a control city westbound for I-74 instead of "Mt. Airy" or "To I-77" was because VDOT had told NCDOT that once I-74 between Mt. Airy and Winston-Salem was complete, they would sign I-74 up to I-81. 

Personally, I would at the very least like to see Winston-Salem added as a control city at the Fort Chiswell interchange since a significant number of travelers are bound that way too. With the addition of I-74 I think this would only help, not hurt.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 05, 2022, 03:51:12 PM
Here's the plan for the proposed location of the I-74 Mile 1 markers. Notice that the plan also indicates that the I-77 Mile 104 markers shown are to be removed:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg1signplansmm1.jpg)

The plans for the other 3 new mile markers are at:
https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg1.html (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg1.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on September 05, 2022, 08:54:48 PM
Quote from: vdeane on September 05, 2022, 12:19:46 PM
This is stupid.  I-74 will never be signed in VA or completed in WV or OH.  Why is NCDOT doing this?  IMO I-74 should be truncated to not have an overlap with I-77 at all.
Many Forum members prefer a tidy Interstate with few or no unnecessary concurrences. Sometimes I'm one of them. But NCDOT doesn't have this preference. They did eliminate the unnecessary concurrence of I-40 and I-440 but we still have the concurrences of I-240 with I-26,
I-840 with I-73 and I-87 with I-440. I think NCDOT wants I-74 to run from the state line and probably doesn't care what Virginia does.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on September 05, 2022, 10:11:23 PM
^ Perhaps FHWA should mandate that preference.  NCDOT is out of control.  Especially now with them changing the mileage and exit numbers, it's only going to make things unnecessarily confusing, and it will mean that someone traveling south on I-77 will now deal with three sets of exit numbers between I-81 and points south.  Something tells me VA has no plans to flip the numbers on I-77 and even if they did, it would be stupid, since I-77 runs due north-south in VA outside of the I-81 overlap.  It's taking nice, logical exit numbers and making them a jumbled mess.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on September 05, 2022, 10:42:34 PM
I agree about the exit numbers. The I-40/I-85 concurrence has I-85 exit numbers. It's irrelevant which route has the lower number.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 05, 2022, 10:52:20 PM
Quote from: vdeane on September 05, 2022, 10:11:23 PM
^ Perhaps FHWA should mandate that preference.  NCDOT is out of control.  Especially now with them changing the mileage and exit numbers, it's only going to make things unnecessarily confusing, and it will mean that someone traveling south on I-77 will now deal with three sets of exit numbers between I-81 and points south.  Something tells me VA has no plans to flip the numbers on I-77 and even if they did, it would be stupid, since I-77 runs due north-south in VA outside of the I-81 overlap.  It's taking nice, logical exit numbers and making them a jumbled mess.
Perhaps this is another case where a NCDOT official has gotten into his mind, like the 'fact' that 3dis should have the same directional banners as their parent routes, that the MUTCD demands that with concurrent routes, the lower numbered route gets the exit numbers. The MUTCD are guidelines, not mandates. Besides there's the fact that when I-40 was extended from Greensboro along I-85, the I-85 exit numbers were not changed, rightly so, because it was there first.

I have always been an advocate for I-74 to be signed in VA, though not until the route is signed all the way down to at least Winston-Salem. I don't think VDOT would be more encouraged to do that if they needed to change exit numbers to be consistent with NC (perhaps they could sign their portion of I-74 as North-South and comply with using 'I-74's' mileage for exit numbers that way).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: amroad17 on September 06, 2022, 12:13:40 AM
This is how passionate we members are about our Interstate, US, and State Highway systems.  Many of our posters, as well as myself, believe that this renumbering of the I-74/I-77 Mt. Airy interchange is something that does not need to occur.  I-77 was completed first; I-74 was added at the turn of the century.  Why change the exit number, and, why change it so that the Interstate it is based on has to exit itself?  Like ARMOURERERIC posted earlier, EXIT 5 should be over the right side of the BGS--over the I-77 part.  It would match I-74 WB's BGS.

vdeane also brings up the point that if Virginia is not going to sign I-74, then why not truncate it to the Mt. Airy interchange.  I agree with this, however, it seems as if North Carolina has a thing with wanting to sign an Interstate Highway to a state line.  I can see this in the future with I-73 and I-87.  However, there must be something in the works if NC is re-doing mile markers and changing the exit number from 101 to 5.  Maybe Virginia will sign I-74 up to I-81 within the next 5 years but they best not change any exit numbers or mile markers.  That would be a colossal waste of time, resources, and money.  Even some of us "amateur" road enthusiasts could do a better job of deciding signage at some of these state DOT jurisdictions than some of the employees currently working there.

The passion I brought up in my first sentence is that we are voicing our opinions over one Exit tab and five pairs of mile markers.  However, I would not expect any less from us! :thumbsup:  :cheers:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Molandfreak on September 06, 2022, 07:42:53 AM
I just don't see what the big deal is, it's five mile markers and one exit. That's insignificant enough for me to be a "blink or you miss it"  detail. I would rank this as orders of magnitude less confusing than deciding they want I-495 posted on part of US 64, then going back less than five years later and changing that to I-87 because "we want this to reach Virginia someday."
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on September 06, 2022, 07:46:10 AM
I-77 is a long established highway independent of the I-74 corridor in North Carolina. It should not have its exits changed simply because they're going to make I-74 concurrent for a few miles.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Molandfreak on September 06, 2022, 07:54:03 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 06, 2022, 07:46:10 AM
I-77 is a long established highway independent of the I-74 corridor in North Carolina. It should not have its exits changed simply because they're going to make I-74 concurrent for a few miles.
Exactly one exit is going to be changed. After the change happens, show me an article about it causing mass confusion, and I'll eat a hat.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Alex on September 06, 2022, 08:41:03 AM
Agree with most of the above posts regarding the proposed renumbering of I-77's mile markers and Exit for I-74 east. This is not unprecedented, as a similar renumbering took place in St. Louis with the northward extension of I-44 over I-70. There the exit numbers along Interstate 55 were renumbered south from the Poplar Street Bridge (I-64/U.S. 40) so that I-55 exits itself at the split with I-44 at LaSalle Park:

(https://www.aaroads.com/mo/044/i-044-w-055-s-exit-290-08.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/mo/044/i-044-w-055-s-exit-290-08.jpg)

Similar to the change at I-44/55 south, if the MUTCD is to be completely followed, the proposed sign changes at I-74/77 should be amended so that I-77 is Exit 5.

I-44 was previously Exit 207 from I-55 south:

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/i-055-mo-archive/i-055_sb_exit_208_02.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/i-055-mo-archive/i-055_sb_exit_208_02.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on September 06, 2022, 10:09:25 AM
When will NC finally admit to the fact that I-74 is never going to reach Cincinnati? Besides, messing with I-77's northernmost five miles is stupid and not needed, although when the two Interstates split southbound (or eastbound), I-74 forks off to the left and therefore should have I-77 as Exit 5. This would be the only good reason to renumber the mile markers and the single exit to match the westbound scheme, as VA is not going to do anything until WV (along with OH) gives in and builds its own sections, which will be unlikely for several more decades.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on September 06, 2022, 04:44:35 PM
I wouldn't say Interstate 74 will never reach Cincinatti. At this point it is unlikely, although not impossible. The King Coal Highway and OH 32 might one day be converted to freeway standards, although none of us will likely live to see that day.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on September 06, 2022, 08:49:21 PM
Regardless of opinions on changing I-77's mile markers, having I-74 be its own exit 5 southbound is just silly and probably an error...

At the other end of the Mt. Airy bypass at the US 52 interchange, you've got something similar where WB I-74 will be its own left exit 17, though this is probably just a continuation of how it's already US 52's left exit 140.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on September 07, 2022, 08:10:51 AM
Quote from: Henry on September 06, 2022, 10:09:25 AM
When will NC finally admit to the fact that I-74 is never going to reach Cincinnati?

I'd go further and say that I-74 will never be built in WV, and that NCDOT might as well remove the I-74 shields off I-77.

As for I-73, I seriously doubt it will ever enter VA, and even if it does, it won't go further north than Martinsville. There's no widespread support for new interstates in VA like there is in NC, and SW VA simply does not have the political weight to go toe-to-toe with NOVA when competing for road dollars. Hell, SW VA is lucky to have any attention paid to I-81 at this point.

I don't see I-73 going to SC either, unless a big pile of cash falls in their lap, and any time there's even the slightest hint of movement towards progress, environmental lawsuits pop up.

I just don't see I-73 & I-74 leaving NC, period. Same goes for I-87.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on September 07, 2022, 09:59:36 AM
^ I think that if I-87 is ever completed to the state line, it's not totally unreasonable to see the mere 12 mile segment upgraded in southern Chesapeake. The roadway is on a limited access right of way and already largely conforms to interstate standards. The shoulders may need slight widening and the construction of 3-4 interchanges. It may happen slowly, but I can see it being complete at some point in the long term future.

The highest priority on that corridor in Virginia, IMO, is fixing the interchange with I-64 and VA-168. A full reconstruction needs to happen there.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on September 07, 2022, 10:31:21 AM
A good stopping point for I-73 would be the interchange where I-581 currently ends at its parent. And the huge difference is, there's no Interstate serving Martinsville like there is for Roanoke. Also, US 220 already has a limited-access bypass in between the two towns, so upgrading it would be a no-brainer if I-73 were ever to be built. I can live with it being out of place on the grid, because there really is no ideal corridor west of I-77/I-75 for the appropriate number, at least not in this part of the country anyway.

At the other end near Rockingham, it may as well dead-end at the state line, although it would not be unique that way, as I-35 in KS once dead-ended at the southern border too.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: VTGoose on September 07, 2022, 12:19:45 PM
Quote from: Henry on September 07, 2022, 10:31:21 AM
A good stopping point for I-73 would be the interchange where I-581 currently ends at its parent. And the huge difference is, there's no Interstate serving Martinsville like there is for Roanoke. Also, US 220 already has a limited-access bypass in between the two towns, so upgrading it would be a no-brainer if I-73 were ever to be built.

Not going to happen. There have been multiple discussions about why there will never (or almost never) be an interstate highway between Roanoke and Martinsville. The terrain really doesn't allow it, there is no good way to get south of Roanoke to near Rocky Mount, and there is much resistance from the countryside where such a road might be built. If furniture and textiles were still a big business, there might be some impetus to improve freight movement to the northeast via a road to I-81, but that ship sailed to China long ago.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on September 07, 2022, 08:44:59 PM
There is an I-73 in VA thread in the Virginia forum. It was active last year discussing whether I-73 could be extended to Martinsville. It's been silent lately. As far as I can tell there's nothing about I-74 in VA and that issue seems to be dead. I think North Carolina should assume neither of these routes is going to be extended. I still have a small hope for I-73 in SC.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 07, 2022, 11:50:42 PM
As also reported under North Carolina, the new revised NCDOT 2023-2032 Draft STIP now funds upgrading of US 74 between the Rockingham and Laurinburg Bypasses to interstate standards with ROW to start in 2027 and construction in 2030 at an estimated cost of $223.8 million. The revised STIP still lists upgrading US 74 in Robeson and Columbus counties as unfunded though.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Alps on September 08, 2022, 12:10:42 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on September 07, 2022, 11:50:42 PM
As also reported under North Carolina, the new revised NCDOT 2023-2032 Draft STIP now funds upgrading of US 74 between the Rockingham and Laurinburg Bypasses to interstate standards with ROW to start in 2027 and construction in 2030 at an estimated cost of $223.8 million. The revised STIP still lists upgrading US 74 in Robeson and Columbus counties as unfunded though.
a state that keeps gaining this many people can keep affording this much construction
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on September 08, 2022, 06:59:29 AM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on September 07, 2022, 08:44:59 PM
There is an I-73 in VA thread in the Virginia forum. It was active last year discussing whether I-73 could be extended to Martinsville. It's been silent lately.

That's because there's been no real movement by VA towards building I-73 between the NC state line and US-58, and the chances of it happening are 0.01%. As far as I-73 between Martinsville and Roanoke goes...yeah, it ain't happening. It's dead.

QuoteAs far as I can tell there's nothing about I-74 in VA and that issue seems to be dead.

That's because I-74's route in VA consists solely of overlapping I-77. It's just not signed because there's no intention by WV and OH to build their parts. No sense in slapping I-74 shields on I-77 just to have I-74 permanently disappear at the WV state line, which is why I think NC should take their I-74 shields off I-77.

QuoteI think North Carolina should assume neither of these routes is going to be extended.

I think we all should at this point.

QuoteI still have a small hope for I-73 in SC.

I want to have hope for it, but between SC being cash-strapped, and the constant lawsuits any time a politician so much as whispers "I-73", I just don't see it happening.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on September 13, 2022, 12:12:48 AM
Quote from: LM117 on September 08, 2022, 06:59:29 AM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on September 07, 2022, 08:44:59 PM
There is an I-73 in VA thread in the Virginia forum. It was active last year discussing whether I-73 could be extended to Martinsville. It's been silent lately.

That's because there's been no real movement by VA towards building I-73 between the NC state line and US-58, and the chances of it happening are 0.01%. As far as I-73 between Martinsville and Roanoke goes...yeah, it ain't happening. It's dead.

QuoteAs far as I can tell there's nothing about I-74 in VA and that issue seems to be dead.

That's because I-74's route in VA consists solely of overlapping I-77. It's just not signed because there's no intention by WV and OH to build their parts. No sense in slapping I-74 shields on I-77 just to have I-74 permanently disappear at the WV state line, which is why I think NC should take their I-74 shields off I-77.

QuoteI think North Carolina should assume neither of these routes is going to be extended.

I think we all should at this point.

QuoteI still have a small hope for I-73 in SC.

I want to have hope for it, but between SC being cash-strapped, and the constant lawsuits any time a politician so much as whispers "I-73", I just don't see it happening.


The only reason I-73 in VA is not active is because of COVID pandemic shut everything down and nothing has been updated. There has been talks restarted as of last month for MSC in related to funding, but that is all I heard of so far.

I-74 remains unsigned in VA for obvious reasons, and it is already approved, so VA is not in a rush to sign I-74 until the other parts of I-74 is finished (if that ever happens).

So, I-73 and I-74 WILL happen. Just not in our lifetime. I-73 has a chance to go up to Martinsville, but up to Roanoke? That's not happening in our lifetime. As of I-73 going to SC.... This is something I am not sure is going to happen. But, MB and Horry County is fighting like heck to have I-73 built down there, so don't assume nothing will get done.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on September 13, 2022, 03:04:01 AM
^ I see better chances of I-73 in South Carolina getting complete before I-73 to Roanoke... let alone even Martinsville.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: VTGoose on September 13, 2022, 08:58:32 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 13, 2022, 03:04:01 AM
^ I see better chances of I-73 in South Carolina getting complete before I-73 to Roanoke... let alone even Martinsville.

I wouldn't totally count out the connection to Roanoke -- I-73 could be Fly-73 in the GPS routing of flying cars in the distant future.

But that is the only way there will be a connection to Roanoke.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: abqtraveler on September 15, 2022, 10:12:47 AM
Quote from: VTGoose on September 13, 2022, 08:58:32 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 13, 2022, 03:04:01 AM
^ I see better chances of I-73 in South Carolina getting complete before I-73 to Roanoke... let alone even Martinsville.

I wouldn't totally count out the connection to Roanoke -- I-73 could be Fly-73 in the GPS routing of flying cars in the distant future.

But that is the only way there will be a connection to Roanoke.
For Virginia, if a road project not in the Northern Virginia/DC suburbs, it's inherently low on the priority list.  Not only is that the case for I-73, but even the proposed widening of I-81 has been talked about for 20+ years and we haven't seen but a shovelful of dirt moved on that.

It's always mentioned that Ohio and Michigan abandoned further study of I-73 within their states, but it's important to remember that almost all of the I-73 corridor in Michigan is already served by existing freeways that are at or close to interstate standards. I-73 was proposed to follow the US-23 corridor through that state. US-23 in Ohio is mostly 4-lane divided highway with substantial freeway sections, and Ohio plans to eventually upgrade the entire length of U-23 to freeway.  The main obstacle for completing I-73 and I-74 is West Virginia, where both routes would have to be built almost completely on new location, each through 200 or so miles rugged, mountainous terrain.  West Virginia has pretty much determined that the juice is not worth the squeeze.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on September 15, 2022, 11:18:32 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on September 15, 2022, 10:12:47 AM
but it's important to remember that almost all of the I-73 corridor in Michigan is already served by existing freeways that are at or close to interstate standards. I-73 was proposed to follow the US-23 corridor through that state.
I-73 in Michigan was planned to follow US-223 and US-127 via Jackson and Lansing, not US-23. While a good majority of US-127 is built to interstate standards, the southern 50 or so miles between Toledo and Jackson is 2 lane road.

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US-23 in Ohio is mostly 4-lane divided highway with substantial freeway sections, and Ohio plans to eventually upgrade the entire length of U-23 to freeway.
I'm not sure this is the case... While US-23 may eventually be upgraded between Toledo and Columbus, and even that is a long shot, I don't recall plans for the entire corridor in Ohio.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on September 15, 2022, 11:41:17 AM
You mean US 127. US 151 is in Iowa and Wisconsin.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on September 15, 2022, 12:07:37 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 15, 2022, 11:41:17 AM
You mean US 127. US 151 is in Iowa and Wisconsin.
Right...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: abqtraveler on September 15, 2022, 06:06:01 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 15, 2022, 11:18:32 AM
Quote from: abqtraveler on September 15, 2022, 10:12:47 AM
but it's important to remember that almost all of the I-73 corridor in Michigan is already served by existing freeways that are at or close to interstate standards. I-73 was proposed to follow the US-23 corridor through that state.
I-73 in Michigan was planned to follow US-223 and US-127 via Jackson and Lansing, not US-23. While a good majority of US-127 is built to interstate standards, the southern 50 or so miles between Toledo and Jackson is 2 lane road.
You are correct, although routings via I-96 and US-23 between Lansing and Toledo were also considered. Either I omitted a few words or they were cut off in my previous post. The sentence should have read, "In Ohio, I-73 was proposed to follow the US-23 corridor through that state."
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: carbaugh2 on October 01, 2022, 07:33:56 AM
Here is a link to drone footage of the Beltway progress taken by the Winston-Salem Journal in early/mid-September.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on October 01, 2022, 04:07:38 PM
Quote from: Henry on September 06, 2022, 10:09:25 AM
When will NC finally admit to the fact that I-74 is never going to reach Cincinnati? Besides, messing with I-77's northernmost five miles is stupid and not needed, although when the two Interstates split southbound (or eastbound), I-74 forks off to the left and therefore should have I-77 as Exit 5. This would be the only good reason to renumber the mile markers and the single exit to match the westbound scheme, as VA is not going to do anything until WV (along with OH) gives in and builds its own sections, which will be unlikely for several more decades.

It doesn't matter to North Carolina if I-74 reaches Cincinnatti or not.  It is a legislatively approved and designated extension of I-74.  It would take an act of Congress to allow for it to be redesignated.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: fillup420 on October 09, 2022, 02:00:57 PM
Quote from: Molandfreak on September 06, 2022, 07:54:03 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 06, 2022, 07:46:10 AM
I-77 is a long established highway independent of the I-74 corridor in North Carolina. It should not have its exits changed simply because they're going to make I-74 concurrent for a few miles.
Exactly one exit is going to be changed. After the change happens, show me an article about it causing mass confusion, and I'll eat a hat.

My main issue with this proposal is that the mileposts will no long make sense when crossing the state line.From VA to NC southbound, the mileposts will count down to 0 in VA, and up from 0 in NC. That is just nonsense. Everyone in the general public knows that road as I-77, and it needs the mileage posted accordingly.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: roadman65 on October 09, 2022, 02:24:48 PM
On paper here, as we all know VDOT will only designate I-74 unless WV builds their part, but are there any planned independent sections of I-74 within VA? Or is the other end of I-77 and I-74 supposed to split where the never to be built I-73 is to cross I-77 near Princeton?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 09, 2022, 03:45:33 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 09, 2022, 02:24:48 PM
On paper here, as we all know VDOT will only designate I-74 unless WV builds their part, but are there any planned independent sections of I-74 within VA? Or is the other end of I-77 and I-74 supposed to split where the never to be built I-73 is to cross I-77 near Princeton?

It's the latter.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Dirt Roads on October 09, 2022, 10:14:23 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 09, 2022, 02:24:48 PM
On paper here, as we all know VDOT will only designate I-74 unless WV builds their part, but are there any planned independent sections of I-74 within VA? Or is the other end of I-77 and I-74 supposed to split where the never to be built I-73 is to cross I-77 near Princeton?

Quote from: 74/171FAN on October 09, 2022, 03:45:33 PM
It's the latter.

Although I-74 through Virginia is mandated by Congress, why would VDOT want to pay to add I-74 across the state if West Virginia ever upgrades the King Coal Highway and the Tolsia Highway to Interstate standards.  I can't help but think that the West Virginia segment would be stranded in the middle as a third I-74.  (But if Virginia upgraded Corridor Q to Interstate standards, why then would West Virginia bother signing anything more than I-73 across the King Coal and Tolsia highways?)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Avalanchez71 on October 11, 2022, 11:47:30 PM
It is time to sign I-74 as I-73E and I-73W.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Alps on October 12, 2022, 07:28:10 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on October 11, 2022, 11:47:30 PM
It is time to sign I-74 as I-73E and I-73W.
It is time to sign I-95 as I-73ESEN are we doing this again (no)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on October 12, 2022, 08:34:12 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on October 11, 2022, 11:47:30 PM
It is time to sign I-74 as I-73E and I-73W.
It's been "time to renumber I-74"  for many years and the Forum has seen many suggestion. I-36? I-173? It's fun to imagine renumberings but I-74 is in the legislation and once a road has been open for years there's opposition to changing its number.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sturmde on October 13, 2022, 03:25:14 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on October 12, 2022, 08:34:12 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on October 11, 2022, 11:47:30 PM
It is time to sign I-74 as I-73E and I-73W.
It's been "time to renumber I-74"  for many years and the Forum has seen many suggestion. I-36? I-173? It's fun to imagine renumberings but I-74 is in the legislation and once a road has been open for years there's opposition to changing its number.

For simplicity, if it were to change, only changing one digit to make I-34 out of I-74 would make a lot more sense...  But again, it's the eastern I-74 and that's fine.  It continues the same "diagonal" vector..., and most of the I-x4's: 4, 24, 44, both 74s, and western 84 are rather diagonal.  Even 94 has its moments.
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As for Virginia... the only advantage to adding I-74 to I-77 and through the I-81 multiplex is that the direction of 74, E/W makes more sense through the middle than the wrong-way multiplex of 77/81.  I'd even have I-74 lead through there...
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If we "had it to do over again", clearly 73 and 74 should have been some combination of 73 and a southern extension of 79.  If you told me 73 would stay 73, and southern 74 would become 79, I'd say... well that makes sense.  They're both mostly N/S.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: abqtraveler on October 17, 2022, 01:29:38 PM
Quote from: sturmde on October 13, 2022, 03:25:14 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on October 12, 2022, 08:34:12 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on October 11, 2022, 11:47:30 PM
It is time to sign I-74 as I-73E and I-73W.
It's been "time to renumber I-74" for many years and the Forum has seen many suggestion. I-36? I-173? It's fun to imagine renumberings but I-74 is in the legislation and once a road has been open for years there's opposition to changing its number.

For simplicity, if it were to change, only changing one digit to make I-34 out of I-74 would make a lot more sense...  But again, it's the eastern I-74 and that's fine.  It continues the same "diagonal" vector..., and most of the I-x4's: 4, 24, 44, both 74s, and western 84 are rather diagonal.  Even 94 has its moments.
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As for Virginia... the only advantage to adding I-74 to I-77 and through the I-81 multiplex is that the direction of 74, E/W makes more sense through the middle than the wrong-way multiplex of 77/81.  I'd even have I-74 lead through there...
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If we "had it to do over again", clearly 73 and 74 should have been some combination of 73 and a southern extension of 79.  If you told me 73 would stay 73, and southern 74 would become 79, I'd say... well that makes sense.  They're both mostly N/S.

Changing the NC I-74 to I-79 would actually make some sense, as one could make I-79 a continuous highway from PA to NC by routing it along I-77 from Charleston, WV to where I-74 splits from I-77 at Pine Ridge, NC. At a distance of 175 miles, such a I-77/79 multiplex would still be shorter than the 278-mile long I-80/90 multiplex through Indiana and Ohio.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on October 17, 2022, 01:53:22 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on October 17, 2022, 01:29:38 PM
Quote from: sturmde on October 13, 2022, 03:25:14 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on October 12, 2022, 08:34:12 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on October 11, 2022, 11:47:30 PM
It is time to sign I-74 as I-73E and I-73W.
It's been "time to renumber I-74"  for many years and the Forum has seen many suggestion. I-36? I-173? It's fun to imagine renumberings but I-74 is in the legislation and once a road has been open for years there's opposition to changing its number.

For simplicity, if it were to change, only changing one digit to make I-34 out of I-74 would make a lot more sense...  But again, it's the eastern I-74 and that's fine.  It continues the same "diagonal" vector..., and most of the I-x4's: 4, 24, 44, both 74s, and western 84 are rather diagonal.  Even 94 has its moments.
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As for Virginia... the only advantage to adding I-74 to I-77 and through the I-81 multiplex is that the direction of 74, E/W makes more sense through the middle than the wrong-way multiplex of 77/81.  I'd even have I-74 lead through there...
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If we "had it to do over again", clearly 73 and 74 should have been some combination of 73 and a southern extension of 79.  If you told me 73 would stay 73, and southern 74 would become 79, I'd say... well that makes sense.  They're both mostly N/S.

Changing the NC I-74 to I-79 would actually make some sense, as one could make I-79 a continuous highway from PA to NC by routing it along I-77 from Charleston, WV to where I-74 splits from I-77 at Pine Ridge, NC. At a distance of 175 miles, such a I-77/79 multiplex would still be shorter than the 278-mile long I-80/90 multiplex through Indiana and Ohio.

The problem with this is that if sanity prevails and the planned I-74 is rerouted to Wilmington, you'd have the northbound interstate going west out of the city and the westbound interstate going north.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on October 17, 2022, 06:58:39 PM
If sanity prevailed that much, you would be well on the way to a Charlotte to Wilmington ton I-3x anyway, with 74 ending at 73.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: BlueRidge on October 17, 2022, 09:28:55 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 17, 2022, 06:58:39 PM
If sanity prevailed that much, you would be well on the way to a Charlotte to Wilmington ton I-3x anyway, with 74 ending at 73.
/thread
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 18, 2022, 12:18:54 AM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 17, 2022, 06:58:39 PM
If sanity prevailed that much, you would be well on the way to a Charlotte to Wilmington ton I-3x anyway, with 74 ending at 73.


I have always prefer I-74 to end at I-73. No reason for I-74 to continue all the way southeast along I-73 and then do some weird U turn away from Wilmington and head to MB.  :confused:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on October 18, 2022, 12:25:04 PM
Quote from: Strider on October 18, 2022, 12:18:54 AM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on October 17, 2022, 06:58:39 PM
If sanity prevailed that much, you would be well on the way to a Charlotte to Wilmington ton I-3x anyway, with 74 ending at 73.


I have always prefer I-74 to end at I-73. No reason for I-74 to continue all the way southeast along I-73 and then do some weird U turn away from Wilmington and head to MB.  :confused:

I do agree that the Rockingham-Wilmington stretch of US 74 makes far more sense as part of a larger Charlotte—Wilmington (ideally Columbus—Wilmington) 2di corridor, but if I-74 must go to the coast, it simply makes no sense for it to end anywhere other than Wilmington.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on October 21, 2022, 01:08:47 PM
Considering that the failed I-66 in KY is being removed from the planning map, this wouldn't be the first time that a High-Priority Corridor has its designation changed. The part of I-74 that would go to Myrtle Beach is better off as a spur, at least, or an odd-numbered north-south 2di, like I-97. While that probably won't be contiguous with the one in MD, it certainly would be something worth considering. But let's save this for Fictional Highways...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on October 21, 2022, 02:56:40 PM
^ The part that extends south of US-74 of Bolton isn't even needed as anything more than the existing 2 lane road that's already there.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Bobby5280 on October 22, 2022, 10:41:39 PM
I-73 is a bigger priority in South Carolina than I-74. And pretty much nothing is happening in regard to I-73 there. The Conway Bypass is about the only thing related to I-73 in SC that has been built in the 31 years since I-73 was first proposed. That history gives I-74 in SC virtually no chance of ever being built.

I think chances are very good the East end of I-74 will end up getting signed, by default, into Wilmington. NCDOT is going to chip away at the US-74 corridor between I-95 and Wilmington, converting more and more of it to limited access one intersection at a time. I realize I-74 is not officially supposed to go to Wilmington. But it looks certain we'll reach a point sometime in the next 10-20 years US-74 will be fully limited access, Interstate quality from Rockingham to Wilmington (if it doesn't end up 100% Interstate quality between Charlotte and Wilmington). We'll have a situation where US-74 and I-74 are co-signed on the freeway but then the I-74 designation will just mysteriously disappear before the freeway reaches Wilmington. More and more people will end up agreeing the situation is stupid and just change the plan to sign I-74 into Wilmington. I'm almost positive that is what will happen.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: abqtraveler on October 24, 2022, 07:34:07 PM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on October 22, 2022, 10:41:39 PM
I-73 is a bigger priority in South Carolina than I-74. And pretty much nothing is happening in regard to I-73 there. The Conway Bypass is about the only thing related to I-73 in SC that has been built in the 31 years since I-73 was first proposed. That history gives I-74 in SC virtually no chance of ever being built.

I think chances are very good the East end of I-74 will end up getting signed, by default, into Wilmington. NCDOT is going to chip away at the US-74 corridor between I-95 and Wilmington, converting more and more of it to limited access one intersection at a time. I realize I-74 is not officially supposed to go to Wilmington. But it looks certain we'll reach a point sometime in the next 10-20 years US-74 will be fully limited access, Interstate quality from Rockingham to Wilmington (if it doesn't end up 100% Interstate quality between Charlotte and Wilmington). We'll have a situation where US-74 and I-74 are co-signed on the freeway but then the I-74 designation will just mysteriously disappear before the freeway reaches Wilmington. More and more people will end up agreeing the situation is stupid and just change the plan to sign I-74 into Wilmington. I'm almost positive that is what will happen.
Given that the prospects of I-74 ever being completed between the NC/VA border and Cincinnati are about nil, I could reasonably see NC's I-74 being re-designated as I-34 at some point in the future.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 25, 2022, 10:48:19 AM
The next segment of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74) is to open November 7:
https://journalnow.com/news/local/you-can-drive-more-of-the-northern-beltway-starting-nov-7-when-major-segment-of/article_370e8d84-546a-11ed-b485-df7e9b8d3607.html (https://journalnow.com/news/local/you-can-drive-more-of-the-northern-beltway-starting-nov-7-when-major-segment-of/article_370e8d84-546a-11ed-b485-df7e9b8d3607.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on October 25, 2022, 07:03:46 PM
I assume it will also be signed as NC 74 initially, a designation that will likely remain until 74 is completed between US 52/future Interstate 74/future Interstate 285 and Interstate 74/future NC 192 in 2026.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on October 25, 2022, 08:04:16 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on October 25, 2022, 10:48:19 AM
The next segment of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74) is to open November 7:
https://journalnow.com/news/local/you-can-drive-more-of-the-northern-beltway-starting-nov-7-when-major-segment-of/article_370e8d84-546a-11ed-b485-df7e9b8d3607.html (https://journalnow.com/news/local/you-can-drive-more-of-the-northern-beltway-starting-nov-7-when-major-segment-of/article_370e8d84-546a-11ed-b485-df7e9b8d3607.html)
US 311 to NC 66, just short of US 52.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 25, 2022, 10:55:09 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 25, 2022, 07:03:46 PM
I assume it will also be signed as NC 74 initially, a designation that will likely remain until 74 is completed between US 52/future Interstate 74/future Interstate 285 and Interstate 74/future NC 192 in 2026.
Yes, as this uncovered trailblazer approaching the NC 8 roundabout at the future eastbound on-ramp shows:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4const1022ll.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 31, 2022, 10:47:10 PM
I've posted photos I recently took along the opened and under construction parts of the Future I-74/Winston-Salem Northern Beltway, such as of recently installed overhead signage:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4const1022v.jpg)

both on my I-74 Segment 4 page: https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)
and I-74 Segment 3 page: https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg3.html (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg3.html)

New photos taken along I-74 from I-40 to I-85 coming soon.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on November 06, 2022, 06:55:03 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on October 25, 2022, 10:48:19 AM
The next segment of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74) is to open November 7:
https://journalnow.com/news/local/you-can-drive-more-of-the-northern-beltway-starting-nov-7-when-major-segment-of/article_370e8d84-546a-11ed-b485-df7e9b8d3607.html (https://journalnow.com/news/local/you-can-drive-more-of-the-northern-beltway-starting-nov-7-when-major-segment-of/article_370e8d84-546a-11ed-b485-df7e9b8d3607.html)
Anyone here going to this?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on November 07, 2022, 01:05:26 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on October 25, 2022, 10:48:19 AM
The next segment of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74) is to open November 7:
https://journalnow.com/news/local/you-can-drive-more-of-the-northern-beltway-starting-nov-7-when-major-segment-of/article_370e8d84-546a-11ed-b485-df7e9b8d3607.html (https://journalnow.com/news/local/you-can-drive-more-of-the-northern-beltway-starting-nov-7-when-major-segment-of/article_370e8d84-546a-11ed-b485-df7e9b8d3607.html)

It's open.

https://journalnow.com/a-new-section-of-the-winston-salem-northern-beltway-has-opened/article_379bbb44-5ebc-11ed-b185-b7c4f2bbdf7d.html (https://journalnow.com/a-new-section-of-the-winston-salem-northern-beltway-has-opened/article_379bbb44-5ebc-11ed-b185-b7c4f2bbdf7d.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: I-55 on November 07, 2022, 04:42:39 PM
Quote from: LM117 on November 07, 2022, 01:05:26 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on October 25, 2022, 10:48:19 AM
The next segment of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74) is to open November 7:
https://journalnow.com/news/local/you-can-drive-more-of-the-northern-beltway-starting-nov-7-when-major-segment-of/article_370e8d84-546a-11ed-b485-df7e9b8d3607.html (https://journalnow.com/news/local/you-can-drive-more-of-the-northern-beltway-starting-nov-7-when-major-segment-of/article_370e8d84-546a-11ed-b485-df7e9b8d3607.html)

It's open.

https://journalnow.com/a-new-section-of-the-winston-salem-northern-beltway-has-opened/article_379bbb44-5ebc-11ed-b185-b7c4f2bbdf7d.html (https://journalnow.com/a-new-section-of-the-winston-salem-northern-beltway-has-opened/article_379bbb44-5ebc-11ed-b185-b7c4f2bbdf7d.html)

And in typical Google fashion it is shown as open all the way to US 52.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 07, 2022, 10:46:59 PM
Quote from: I-55 on November 07, 2022, 04:42:39 PM
Quote from: LM117 on November 07, 2022, 01:05:26 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on October 25, 2022, 10:48:19 AM
The next segment of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74) is to open November 7:
https://journalnow.com/news/local/you-can-drive-more-of-the-northern-beltway-starting-nov-7-when-major-segment-of/article_370e8d84-546a-11ed-b485-df7e9b8d3607.html (https://journalnow.com/news/local/you-can-drive-more-of-the-northern-beltway-starting-nov-7-when-major-segment-of/article_370e8d84-546a-11ed-b485-df7e9b8d3607.html)

It's open.

https://journalnow.com/a-new-section-of-the-winston-salem-northern-beltway-has-opened/article_379bbb44-5ebc-11ed-b185-b7c4f2bbdf7d.html (https://journalnow.com/a-new-section-of-the-winston-salem-northern-beltway-has-opened/article_379bbb44-5ebc-11ed-b185-b7c4f2bbdf7d.html)

And in typical Google fashion it is shown as open all the way to US 52.
News story on the opening:
https://www.wxii12.com/article/i-74-northern-beltway-open-to-public/41890655 (https://www.wxii12.com/article/i-74-northern-beltway-open-to-public/41890655)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on November 11, 2022, 02:54:00 AM
Quote from: I-55 on November 07, 2022, 04:42:39 PM
Quote from: LM117 on November 07, 2022, 01:05:26 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on October 25, 2022, 10:48:19 AM
The next segment of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74) is to open November 7:
https://journalnow.com/news/local/you-can-drive-more-of-the-northern-beltway-starting-nov-7-when-major-segment-of/article_370e8d84-546a-11ed-b485-df7e9b8d3607.html (https://journalnow.com/news/local/you-can-drive-more-of-the-northern-beltway-starting-nov-7-when-major-segment-of/article_370e8d84-546a-11ed-b485-df7e9b8d3607.html)

It's open.

https://journalnow.com/a-new-section-of-the-winston-salem-northern-beltway-has-opened/article_379bbb44-5ebc-11ed-b185-b7c4f2bbdf7d.html (https://journalnow.com/a-new-section-of-the-winston-salem-northern-beltway-has-opened/article_379bbb44-5ebc-11ed-b185-b7c4f2bbdf7d.html)

And in typical Google fashion it is shown as open all the way to US 52.
It finally shows correctly now.

Once that last segment opens though, it will certainly shave off the time going between US-52 and I-40 east, and allow travelers to avoid Winston-Salem entirely. A particular benefit to long distance traffic coming from the I-77 corridor towards Greensboro, Raleigh-Durham, etc.

US-421 / former Business 40 is going to eventually need to be widened to 6 lanes at least between I-40 and NC-74, if not the whole way into Winston-Salem as traffic volumes increase in the coming years. The same can be said about the I-40 "bypass"  to the south. Realistically, I-40 should be 8 lanes along the entire "bypass"  portion. But that's for another thread.

At least they're constructing NC-74 future proof with a six-lane design throughout.

Curious if there will be any issues with large trucks and traffic in general using local streets to try to make the connection between US-52 and NC-74 until the direct freeway link opens next year.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Dirt Roads on November 11, 2022, 10:19:55 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 11, 2022, 02:54:00 AM
Curious if there will be any issues with large trucks and traffic in general using local streets to try to make the connection between US-52 and NC-74 until the direct freeway link opens next year.

I'm sure that is why NCDOT is discouraging through traffic (by posting the route as NC-74 temporarily).  If through traffic turns south on University Drive (NC-66) to get to US-52 northbound (either at Haines Mill Road or University Drive), that will add to the congestion but shouldn't cause gridlock since the through traffic will turn right onto the ramps.   My concern was that traffic would get GPS routed over to Exit 118 / NC-65 (Forum Parkway), which is almost straight inline with the current end of the Northern Beltway.  There's no roads that cross Grassy Creek anywhere in that area, and any attempt to go north on NC-66 will require you to go all the way to Tobaccoville and wind around to get to Exit 120 / Westinghouse Road.  That will be slow and no fun, but I can't imagine much traffic going that way.

One thing to be concerned about.  Local traffic is certainly going to use the new section of the Northern Bypass to access local businesses along University Drive during rush hour.  But if local traffic starts taking the Northern Beltway to access the shopping district and other businesses such as the many medical offices, this change could be a problem all day long.  And that traffic problem may continue even after the Northern Beltway is completed to connect with US-52.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 04, 2022, 11:40:28 PM
According to NCDOT's Construction Progress Report website, work started on the final section of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74) from I-40 to existing I-74 on December 1. The project completion date at this time is March 30, 2027.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 05, 2022, 01:16:18 AM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on November 11, 2022, 10:19:55 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 11, 2022, 02:54:00 AM
Curious if there will be any issues with large trucks and traffic in general using local streets to try to make the connection between US-52 and NC-74 until the direct freeway link opens next year.

I'm sure that is why NCDOT is discouraging through traffic (by posting the route as NC-74 temporarily).  If through traffic turns south on University Drive (NC-66) to get to US-52 northbound (either at Haines Mill Road or University Drive), that will add to the congestion but shouldn't cause gridlock since the through traffic will turn right onto the ramps.   My concern was that traffic would get GPS routed over to Exit 118 / NC-65 (Forum Parkway), which is almost straight inline with the current end of the Northern Beltway.  There's no roads that cross Grassy Creek anywhere in that area, and any attempt to go north on NC-66 will require you to go all the way to Tobaccoville and wind around to get to Exit 120 / Westinghouse Road.  That will be slow and no fun, but I can't imagine much traffic going that way.

One thing to be concerned about.  Local traffic is certainly going to use the new section of the Northern Bypass to access local businesses along University Drive during rush hour.  But if local traffic starts taking the Northern Beltway to access the shopping district and other businesses such as the many medical offices, this change could be a problem all day long.  And that traffic problem may continue even after the Northern Beltway is completed to connect with US-52.


Well, when I first drove on NC 74 West and then got off at NC 66/University Parkway, going south at that time was an headache but only because there is an interesting intersection with what I believe is called Stanleyville Dr? where the left lane can only turn left, and that causes backup. The intersection between University and Hanes Mill Rd was really backed up (due to close proximity to US 52 interchange). The traffic cleared up a little bit after the US 52/University Parkway interchange.

Traffic would be bad for a while until the NC 74 missing link to US 52 is complete.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 05, 2022, 07:56:16 AM
When I look at Google satellite,  it almost looks like they are trying to get at least the 74 west CD ramps open to 52 north.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 09, 2022, 06:18:27 PM
Lane closures on I-40 as part of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway Project (Future I-74):
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2022/2022-12-09-beltway-project-requires-overnight-construction.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2022/2022-12-09-beltway-project-requires-overnight-construction.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 19, 2022, 10:13:17 PM
Google Maps has updated its Street View image along US 74 East (not West) at the site of the future I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11constgsv922d.jpg)

Other images are at: https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 02, 2023, 03:29:56 PM
I've posted my annual year-in-review about progress during 2022 in building I-73/I-74 in NC, along with that for NC's newest and future interstates to the Gribblenation blog: http://www.gribblenation.org/2023/01/i-73i-74-and-nc-future-interstates-year.html (http://www.gribblenation.org/2023/01/i-73i-74-and-nc-future-interstates-year.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: nerdom on January 03, 2023, 02:11:10 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 02, 2023, 03:29:56 PM
I've posted my annual year-in-review about progress during 2022 in building I-73/I-74 in NC, along with that for NC's newest and future interstates to the Gribblenation blog: http://www.gribblenation.org/2023/01/i-73i-74-and-nc-future-interstates-year.html (http://www.gribblenation.org/2023/01/i-73i-74-and-nc-future-interstates-year.html)

The NC885 pull through has been corrected and placed adjacent to Chapel Hill sign. Noticed it in late November.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 04, 2023, 11:00:03 PM
Quote from: nerdom on January 03, 2023, 02:11:10 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 02, 2023, 03:29:56 PM
I've posted my annual year-in-review about progress during 2022 in building I-73/I-74 in NC, along with that for NC's newest and future interstates to the Gribblenation blog: http://www.gribblenation.org/2023/01/i-73i-74-and-nc-future-interstates-year.html (http://www.gribblenation.org/2023/01/i-73i-74-and-nc-future-interstates-year.html)

The NC885 pull through has been corrected and placed adjacent to Chapel Hill sign. Noticed it in late November.
Thanks. The revised signage was captured on Street View from November:
https://goo.gl/maps/PqmQqRDr9mikDYsq8 (https://goo.gl/maps/PqmQqRDr9mikDYsq8)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 26, 2023, 10:42:15 PM
NCDOT on January 24 advertised the project to replace the intersections of US 74 with NC 72 and NC 130 West in Robeson County to a single 'dumbbell' interchange (roundabouts at the ramps on both sides of the highway) to be let on Feb. 21. The project could begin by spring and is to be completed in early 2026. Here's the sign plan for what will become Exit 223:
(https://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg17exit223signplan1.jpg)

Wonder why they chose Lumberton as one of the control cities? Isn't it easier to get there staying on US 74 (Future I-74) West? Also it appears on the East US 74 exit sign after you have gone through that city. The project does not revise the Creek Road intersection to the west, so US 74 will remain an expressway with a 60 MPH speed limit for 5 miles from just prior to Creek Road (Mile 220) through the new exit to the under construction Boardman exit (Exit 225) until the NC 41 to US 76 section is upgraded to interstate standards, a project currently not funded through 2033.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on January 26, 2023, 11:29:37 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 26, 2023, 10:42:15 PM
NCDOT on January 24 advertised the project to replace the intersections of US 74 with NC 72 and NC 130 West in Robeson County to a single 'dumbbell' interchange (roundabouts at the ramps on both sides of the highway) to be let on Feb. 21. The project could begin by spring and is to be completed in early 2026. Here's the sign plan for what will become Exit 223:
(https://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg17exit223signplan1.jpg)

Wonder why they chose Lumberton as one of the control cities? Isn't it easier to get there staying on US 74 (Future I-74) West? Also it appears on the East US 74 exit sign after you have gone through that city. The project does not revise the Creek Road intersection to the west, so US 74 will remain an expressway with a 60 MPH speed limit for 5 miles from just prior to Creek Road (Mile 220) through the new exit to the under construction Boardman exit (Exit 225) until the NC 41 to US 76 section is upgraded to interstate standards, a project currently not funded through 2033.


Taking NC Highway 72 West (going north) does take you to downtown Lumberton, therefore the control city makes sense.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on January 26, 2023, 11:44:20 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 26, 2023, 10:42:15 PM
The project does not revise the Creek Road intersection to the west
Couldn't that intersection simply be closed, or is there an overpass planned to be constructed here?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on January 27, 2023, 04:38:03 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 26, 2023, 10:42:15 PM
NCDOT on January 24 advertised the project to replace the intersections of US 74 with NC 72 and NC 130 West in Robeson County to a single 'dumbbell' interchange (roundabouts at the ramps on both sides of the highway) to be let on Feb. 21. The project could begin by spring and is to be completed in early 2026. Here's the sign plan for what will become Exit 223:
(https://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg17exit223signplan1.jpg)

Wonder why they chose Lumberton as one of the control cities? Isn't it easier to get there staying on US 74 (Future I-74) West? Also it appears on the East US 74 exit sign after you have gone through that city.

There's no other town on NC-72 between US-74 and Lumberton, so NCDOT really had no choice.

If I were going to Lumberton from points east, I'd stay on US-74 and get off at NC-41.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: nerdom on January 29, 2023, 12:29:46 AM
Yeah. NC can really go out there with control cities. If you like this one, check out the cc's for NC42 at US64 near Bethel. Plenty of communities "skipped over" on that one.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on January 29, 2023, 03:13:21 PM
Quote from: nerdom on January 29, 2023, 12:29:46 AM
Yeah. NC can really go out there with control cities. If you like this one, check out the cc's for NC42 at US64 near Bethel. Plenty of communities "skipped over" on that one.


I don't see a problem with the control cities for NC 42 in that area. Wilson is well-known city. Ahoskie is where NC 42/NC 11 meets US 13 and is bigger than most of the communities you mentioned along the route.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: nerdom on January 29, 2023, 09:55:58 PM
Me neither, really. I just thought some were surprised about the distance of Lumberton from the exit. Not the fact that a better route exited further up the road.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on January 30, 2023, 08:44:15 AM
Quote from: nerdom on January 29, 2023, 12:29:46 AM
Yeah. NC can really go out there with control cities. If you like this one, check out the cc's for NC42 at US64 near Bethel. Plenty of communities "skipped over" on that one.

These cities don't make sense for both directions on US 64.

EB should be Oak City and Ahoskie
WB should be Pinetops and Wilson
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on January 31, 2023, 08:38:43 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on January 30, 2023, 08:44:15 AM
Quote from: nerdom on January 29, 2023, 12:29:46 AM
Yeah. NC can really go out there with control cities. If you like this one, check out the cc's for NC42 at US64 near Bethel. Plenty of communities "skipped over" on that one.

These cities don't make sense for both directions on US 64.

EB should be Oak City and Ahoskie
WB should be Pinetops and Wilson


Oak City is not big enough to warrant a control city. Neither is Pinetops.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: nerdom on January 31, 2023, 08:55:11 PM
I don't think the size of a city has ever kept it from being a control city. Plenty of towns smaller than these are used as control cities at freeway exits. Interstate control cities are larger, mostly. I get that Benson is at a major intersection, but damn, still feels flimsy.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on January 31, 2023, 09:08:25 PM
Hell, a control city for my commute exit, Henry River, is an abandoned, defunct factory town.  Exit 119, I40.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on February 13, 2023, 09:07:46 PM
NCDOT is closing two roads in eastern Winston-Salem in connection with the construction of I-74 between US 421 and I-40.
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-02-13-two-forsyth-county-roads-permanently-closed-for-construction-project.aspx
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ahj2000 on February 15, 2023, 02:47:26 PM
Sorry if it has been covered already, but why are there not plans for there to be an interstate number on the western loop? Seems like with NC's penchant for turning everything into an Interstate, i274 makes a lot more sense than NC 452
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on February 15, 2023, 03:39:58 PM
Quote from: ahj2000 on February 15, 2023, 02:47:26 PM
Sorry if it has been covered already, but why are there not plans for there to be an interstate number on the western loop? Seems like with NC's penchant for turning everything into an Interstate, i274 makes a lot more sense than NC 452

It will be I-274.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on February 15, 2023, 07:20:50 PM
I think the Interstate 274 designation should only run along the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway from Interstate 40 to US 52/future Interstate 74/future Interstate 285. The portion from US 158 to Interstate 40 should have the NC 452 designation. I also think the portion of present Interstate 74 along the old US 311 that is being bypassed by the WSNB should become Interstate 474 instead of NC 192 (although I am confident the proposed NC 192 boulevard between Interstate 40 and US 421/Salem Parkway mentioned on Wikipedia will never be built).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on February 15, 2023, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on February 15, 2023, 03:39:58 PM
Quote from: ahj2000 on February 15, 2023, 02:47:26 PM
Sorry if it has been covered already, but why are there not plans for there to be an interstate number on the western loop? Seems like with NC's penchant for turning everything into an Interstate, i274 makes a lot more sense than NC 452

It will be I-274.
I seem to recall that there were ideas to complete the loop with a Southern Beltway. Is there any life in this idea?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on February 16, 2023, 03:01:35 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on February 15, 2023, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on February 15, 2023, 03:39:58 PM
Quote from: ahj2000 on February 15, 2023, 02:47:26 PM
Sorry if it has been covered already, but why are there not plans for there to be an interstate number on the western loop? Seems like with NC's penchant for turning everything into an Interstate, i274 makes a lot more sense than NC 452

It will be I-274.
I seem to recall that there were ideas to complete the loop with a Southern Beltway. Is there any life in this idea?

None. There is no large enough population south of I-40 at this time that would warrant such a route nor issues with the existing routes now to justify a bypass. NCDOT has no information, maps, or plans at this time either; so it remains only an idea.

Regarding an earlier comment, NC 452 was established when it appeared construction was going to begin around early 2000 for the western section to be first. Of course, that fell through and since then discussions of I-274 came up as its new designation. Officially, the unbuilt western section is NC 452, but that does not mean they will not change that when they eventually start construction on the western section... someday.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on February 16, 2023, 03:10:17 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on February 16, 2023, 03:01:35 PM
None. There is no large enough population south of I-40 at this time that would warrant such a route nor issues with the existing routes now to justify a bypass. NCDOT has no information, maps, or plans at this time either; so it remains only an idea.
IMO, if any southern projects are to go through, the biggest one needs to be widening I-40 between I-74 and Salem Parkway to 6 lanes. It remains the only portion (excluding brief interchange transitions) of I-40 between Winston-Salem and Raleigh to be 4 lanes (once the widening east of I-85 is complete near Durham).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: kendallhart808 on February 17, 2023, 10:58:05 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 15, 2023, 07:20:50 PM
I think the Interstate 274 designation should only run along the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway from Interstate 40 to US 52/future Interstate 74/future Interstate 285. The portion from US 158 to Interstate 40 should have the NC 452 designation. I also think the portion of present Interstate 74 along the old US 311 that is being bypassed by the WSNB should become Interstate 474 instead of NC 192 (although I am confident the proposed NC 192 boulevard between Interstate 40 and US 421/Salem Parkway mentioned on Wikipedia will never be built).

I think NCDOT will propose an interstate number for "NC 192"  once we get closer to a finish date for the I-74 to I-40 part of the bypass. I just can't really see any real reason why they wouldn't. I personally like the idea of it being I-740 because you have both 74 and 40 in the number and personally that's just very satisfying. But whether or not that happens idk.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on February 17, 2023, 05:35:07 PM
Quote from: kendallhart808 on February 17, 2023, 10:58:05 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 15, 2023, 07:20:50 PM
I think the Interstate 274 designation should only run along the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway from Interstate 40 to US 52/future Interstate 74/future Interstate 285. The portion from US 158 to Interstate 40 should have the NC 452 designation. I also think the portion of present Interstate 74 along the old US 311 that is being bypassed by the WSNB should become Interstate 474 instead of NC 192 (although I am confident the proposed NC 192 boulevard between Interstate 40 and US 421/Salem Parkway mentioned on Wikipedia will never be built).

I think NCDOT will propose an interstate number for "NC 192"  once we get closer to a finish date for the I-74 to I-40 part of the bypass. I just can't really see any real reason why they wouldn't. I personally like the idea of it being I-740 because you have both 74 and 40 in the number and personally that's just very satisfying. But whether or not that happens idk.
Sounds like a good idea, that NCDOT is probably not taking. The reason for their assigning an NC number to the roadway was so that they would not have to upgrade it to interstate standards. Unlike the roadway east of the Bypass interchange which the FHWA mistakenly thought was up to interstate standards when they allowed NCDOT to sign it as I-74. Some if the upgrade work will be done as part of the Beltway construction contract.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on February 17, 2023, 06:38:34 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 17, 2023, 05:35:07 PM
Quote from: kendallhart808 on February 17, 2023, 10:58:05 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 15, 2023, 07:20:50 PM
I think the Interstate 274 designation should only run along the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway from Interstate 40 to US 52/future Interstate 74/future Interstate 285. The portion from US 158 to Interstate 40 should have the NC 452 designation. I also think the portion of present Interstate 74 along the old US 311 that is being bypassed by the WSNB should become Interstate 474 instead of NC 192 (although I am confident the proposed NC 192 boulevard between Interstate 40 and US 421/Salem Parkway mentioned on Wikipedia will never be built).

I think NCDOT will propose an interstate number for "NC 192"  once we get closer to a finish date for the I-74 to I-40 part of the bypass. I just can't really see any real reason why they wouldn't. I personally like the idea of it being I-740 because you have both 74 and 40 in the number and personally that's just very satisfying. But whether or not that happens idk.
Sounds like a good idea, that NCDOT is probably not taking. The reason for their assigning an NC number to the roadway was so that they would not have to upgrade it to interstate standards. Unlike the roadway east of the Bypass interchange which the FHWA mistakenly thought was up to interstate standards when they allowed NCDOT to sign it as I-74. Some if the upgrade work will be done as part of the Beltway construction contract.
At least it will have a primary highway number. In a very similar situation in Raleigh the Wade Avenue freeway connection from I-40 to I-440 has an unsigned secondary highway number.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on February 17, 2023, 08:34:20 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on February 16, 2023, 03:01:35 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on February 15, 2023, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on February 15, 2023, 03:39:58 PM
Quote from: ahj2000 on February 15, 2023, 02:47:26 PM
Sorry if it has been covered already, but why are there not plans for there to be an interstate number on the western loop? Seems like with NC's penchant for turning everything into an Interstate, i274 makes a lot more sense than NC 452

It will be I-274.
I seem to recall that there were ideas to complete the loop with a Southern Beltway. Is there any life in this idea?

None. There is no large enough population south of I-40 at this time that would warrant such a route nor issues with the existing routes now to justify a bypass. NCDOT has no information, maps, or plans at this time either; so it remains only an idea.

Regarding an earlier comment, NC 452 was established when it appeared construction was going to begin around early 2000 for the western section to be first. Of course, that fell through and since then discussions of I-274 came up as its new designation. Officially, the unbuilt western section is NC 452, but that does not mean they will not change that when they eventually start construction on the western section... someday.
As it is, I-40 is a sufficient bypass to the south of town, thus there really is no need for a Southern Beltway which would be too close to what's already there.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on March 03, 2023, 06:11:25 PM
NCDOT announces closures on High Point Road, which closely parallels existing I-74 south of I-40. The interchange carrying I-74 onto the new Northern Beltway will have multiple bridges over High Point Road.
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-03-03-new-construction-northern-beltway.aspx
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 08, 2023, 11:15:36 AM
The contract to turn the current NC 72 and NC 130 West intersections with US 74 in Robeson County into one interchange has been awarded, work can start in April, the project is to be complete in 2026. The current intersection with Creek Road to the west, whose closure was originally to be part of this contract, now won't begin until 2027:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-03-08-us-74-intersections-upgraded-robeson-county.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-03-08-us-74-intersections-upgraded-robeson-county.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on March 08, 2023, 06:21:01 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on March 08, 2023, 11:15:36 AM
The contract to turn the current NC 72 and NC 130 West intersections with US 74 in Robeson County into one interchange has been awarded, work can start in April, the project is to be complete in 2026. The current intersection with Creek Road to the west, whose closure was originally to be part of this contract, now won't begin until 2027:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-03-08-us-74-intersections-upgraded-robeson-county.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-03-08-us-74-intersections-upgraded-robeson-county.aspx)

Once this and the Creek Road overpass are built, there shouldn't be a problem with having a consistent 70mph speed limit between Laurinburg and Lake Waccamaw.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on March 08, 2023, 07:30:24 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on March 08, 2023, 11:15:36 AM
The contract to turn the current NC 72 and NC 130 West intersections with US 74 in Robeson County into one interchange has been awarded, work can start in April, the project is to be complete in 2026. The current intersection with Creek Road to the west, whose closure was originally to be part of this contract, now won't begin until 2027:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-03-08-us-74-intersections-upgraded-robeson-county.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-03-08-us-74-intersections-upgraded-robeson-county.aspx)
Crossing US 74 on Creek Road now is awkward, since it's a reduced conflict intersection. When the interchange at 72/130 opens, 72/130 becomes an attractive detour option and the Creek Road intersection could be closed until the overpass is built.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 11, 2023, 12:00:02 PM
Quote from: LM117 on March 08, 2023, 06:21:01 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on March 08, 2023, 11:15:36 AM
The contract to turn the current NC 72 and NC 130 West intersections with US 74 in Robeson County into one interchange has been awarded, work can start in April, the project is to be complete in 2026. The current intersection with Creek Road to the west, whose closure was originally to be part of this contract, now won't begin until 2027:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-03-08-us-74-intersections-upgraded-robeson-county.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-03-08-us-74-intersections-upgraded-robeson-county.aspx)

Once this and the Creek Road overpass are built, there shouldn't be a problem with having a consistent 70mph speed limit between Laurinburg and Lake Waccamaw.
There's still the intersection with VC Britt Road eastbound just prior to crossing the last bridge into Boardman.
(https://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg17gsvbrd522eb.jpg)

They have also installed a turn around 1/4 mile past that westbound in connection with the Boardman interchange project, directing US 74 West traffic to use that to turn around for accessing Macedonia Church Road:
(https://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg17gsvmcr522wbut.jpg)

While this may be closed when the Boardman exit is finished, until the intersection is taken care of as well, there will probably be at least a 1-2 mile gap where the speed limit will stay at 60 MPH, at least headed east.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on March 12, 2023, 07:34:00 AM
^ No wonder I missed Britt Road. I didn't notice the intersection on the map until I zoomed in real close just now. I initially thought it was cutoff from US-74. :pan:

I also just saw that Woodrow Road also has an intersection with US-74. That one is just west of Britt Road.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on March 13, 2023, 09:04:45 PM
Quote from: LM117 on March 12, 2023, 07:34:00 AM
^ No wonder I missed Britt Road. I didn't notice the intersection on the map until I zoomed in real close just now. I initially thought it was cutoff from US-74. :pan:

I also just saw that Woodrow Road also has an intersection with US-74. That one is just west of Britt Road.
Britt and Woodrow look like problems, because they are both dead end roads with no connections to each other or anything else. Maintaining access may require a long frontage road through the swamp all the way back to the existing NC 130. Is there a plan for this?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on March 13, 2023, 10:58:46 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on March 13, 2023, 09:04:45 PM
Quote from: LM117 on March 12, 2023, 07:34:00 AM
^ No wonder I missed Britt Road. I didn't notice the intersection on the map until I zoomed in real close just now. I initially thought it was cutoff from US-74. :pan:

I also just saw that Woodrow Road also has an intersection with US-74. That one is just west of Britt Road.
Britt and Woodrow look like problems, because they are both dead end roads with no connections to each other or anything else. Maintaining access may require a long frontage road through the swamp all the way back to the existing NC 130. Is there a plan for this?
This area is going to be tricky.One way around it would be to build the freeway on a slightly-shifted alignment, preserving the eastbound carriageway for the frontage road and building a new westbound carriageway while reversing the current one for the eastbound freeway.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on March 13, 2023, 11:48:52 PM
NCDOT's feasibility study for the area shows the construction of a new frontage road south of the existing US-74 alignment to serve those two roads through the swamp.

https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/Feasibility-Study_1106B_Report_2014.pdf

See PDF page 27.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 15, 2023, 11:38:38 AM
NCDOT announcement of traffic shift due to the ongoing US 74 (Future I-74) Lake Waccamaw interchange project:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-03-15-columbus-county-traffic-shift.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-03-15-columbus-county-traffic-shift.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 28, 2023, 06:20:36 PM
NCDOT announcement of what I believe is the last major bridge closure for the US 52/Future I-74 Winston-Salem Beltway interchange project. The closure is to last 9 months. If this is to correspond with the opening of the interchange, then looks like that won't happen now until the end of the year:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-03-28-nine-month-closure-coming-forsyth-county-bridge-replacement.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-03-28-nine-month-closure-coming-forsyth-county-bridge-replacement.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on March 28, 2023, 07:50:35 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on March 28, 2023, 06:20:36 PM
NCDOT announcement of what I believe is the last major bridge closure for the US 52/Future I-74 Winston-Salem Beltway interchange project. The closure is to last 9 months. If this is to correspond with the opening of the interchange, then looks like that won't happen now until the end of the year:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-03-28-nine-month-closure-coming-forsyth-county-bridge-replacement.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-03-28-nine-month-closure-coming-forsyth-county-bridge-replacement.aspx)
Ziglar Road is at the extreme southern end of the project crossing US 52. The ramps joining I-74 to US 52 North might open before this bridge is ready to open.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on March 28, 2023, 08:12:45 PM
Is there any evidence that the ramp that will carry the 74wb cd lane is being pushed to get a through traffic option for 74
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on March 29, 2023, 01:50:08 AM
I'm not 100% sure, but I'm fairly certain I-74 will have full continuity onto the beltway, requiring drivers heading southbound on US-52 to "exit"  to stay on US-52, while keeping straight will default onto the beltway, which is how it should be given I-74 will follow that route seamlessly.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 29, 2023, 11:05:08 AM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on March 28, 2023, 08:12:45 PM
Is there any evidence that the ramp that will carry the 74wb cd lane is being pushed to get a through traffic option for 74
Based on this January image from Street View taken from University Parkway, it doesn't appear they are concentrating on opening at least a temporary ramp to US 52 North from the Beltway:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4gsv123c.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on March 29, 2023, 06:09:01 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on March 29, 2023, 01:50:08 AM
I'm not 100% sure, but I'm fairly certain I-74 will have full continuity onto the beltway, requiring drivers heading southbound on US-52 to "exit"  to stay on US-52, while keeping straight will default onto the beltway, which is how it should be given I-74 will follow that route seamlessly.
It's clear that is exactly what will happen. In fact, US 52 SB has already been shifted to the right, creating what will be the exit.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 04, 2023, 11:25:56 AM
I have posted photos taken by Adam Prince along NC 74 West, the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway, on March 31:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4ap33123h.jpg)

to my I-74 Segment 4 page: https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: carbaugh2 on April 04, 2023, 01:00:55 PM
I came across these videos that have footage of where 73/74 will meet up with US 74 as part of the Rockingham Bypass construction.

Traveling 74 westbound (scroll to 55:00): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HJYtF8ZDI6Y

Exiting 74 at 74 Business (scroll to 40:00): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yE_p2RAmkV8
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 16, 2023, 10:53:04 AM
Google Maps has updated its Street View coverage of I-40 through the I-74/Beltway interchange project work zone to March 2023. I have posted screen grabs from traveling west to east through the construction area, such as these supports for a future flyover ramp: (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4i40gsv323e.jpg)

to my I-74 in NC Segment 4 page: https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 27, 2023, 10:47:41 PM
Weekend closure of US 52 North at NC 65 as part of the Beltway interchange project:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-04-27-weekend-us-52-closures-coming-to-forsyth-county.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-04-27-weekend-us-52-closures-coming-to-forsyth-county.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 04, 2023, 10:43:45 AM
Google Maps has updated their Street View coverage of US 52 South through the Future I-74/Winston-Salem Northern Beltway interchange area to last month, April. I've posted some screen shots, including this showing the almost completed new US 52 North lanes bridge crossing the future Beltway lanes:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4gsv423b.jpg)

On my I-74 in NC Segment 4 page: https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)

Also posted Street View images of US 52 north of the Beltway from Westinghouse Road showing construction progress:
https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg3.html (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg3.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on May 04, 2023, 11:26:19 AM
Once NC 74 connects with US 52, I imagine the US 52 freeway corridor will need to be upgraded to Interstate Standards to become Interstate 74 north of there, and an extension of Interstate 285 south of there. Are there any plans to make those upgrades within the next decade or so?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 04, 2023, 10:46:23 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 04, 2023, 11:26:19 AM
Once NC 74 connects with US 52, I imagine the US 52 freeway corridor will need to be upgraded to Interstate Standards to become Interstate 74 north of there, and an extension of Interstate 285 south of there. Are there any plans to make those upgrades within the next decade or so?
There are no projects listed in the Draft 2024-2033 STIP to upgrade US 52 north of I-40 in Winston-Salem to interstate standards. It appears NCDOT will not be asking for exemptions to allow it sign the route as I-74 since the Beltway project sign plans have them simply placing Future I-74 signs along US 52 north of the Beltway interchange and changing exit numbers to I-74 mileposts when that project is complete.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 14, 2023, 10:48:22 PM
This video has the updated progress on I-40 and I-74 interchange (Winston-Salem Northern Beltway) as of yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c10c-8z4Tns

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 15, 2023, 09:57:35 PM
According to NCDOT's Construction Progress Report. Work started on the project to convert the US 74 (Future I-74) intersections with NC 72 and NC 130 West in Robeson County to an interchange on April 12. Work is to be completed in December 2026. As of May 7, work is 2.5% complete.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 27, 2023, 11:53:40 AM
I've posted some Google Maps Street View images from March showing progress completing the new US 74 West lanes at the future interchange with the I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass (the lanes have since opened and US 74 East traffic is using some of the former westbound lanes to allow for widening and reconfiguring of the closed roadway for the Bus. 74/Bypass interchange). Here's looking east along the new US 74 West alignment when it was being paved:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11gsv323c.jpg)

The rest at: https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 03, 2023, 11:03:46 AM
Google Maps has updated their Street View coverage along the Future I-74 corridor east of Lumberton to April and May. I took some screen grabs of their views of bridge and ramp construction including a drive up and down the new ramps at Boardman which include a roundabout and new East US 74 trailblazer:
(https://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg17gsv523c.jpg)

the remainder of Boardman and NC 130/NC 72 interchange related images can be found at:
https://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg17.html#segment (https://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg17.html#segment)

Meanwhile, they also picked up construction at the future Lake Waccamaw interchange east of Whiteville, here's an image of the start of bridge construction at Chauncey Town Road:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg18gsv523d.jpg)

The rest of those photos are at: https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg18.html (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg18.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on June 14, 2023, 11:29:12 AM
Rockingham bypass now visible on satellite on Google maps:

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.9722896,-79.8289564,11193m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 15, 2023, 11:39:30 AM
Saw this traffic notice on the Winston-Salem Beltway when perusing some of the traffic camera images in the Greensboro and Winston-Salem area for sign update progress. Isn't this a little early for a pavement repair project, especially one to take 7 weeks? Did they rush to get the road completed when it opened last year?
Incident 666645
Location
- NC-74 (NC 74), Near Baux Mountain Road
- Near Winston-Salem / Mile Marker 46 to 45 Heading West
- Forsyth County
Maintenance: Lane Closed
Left lane closed due to pavement needing repair.
1 of 2 lanes closed.

Expected impact to traffic is High.

Timeframe
Start: Thu, Jun 8, 2023, 6:49 AM
End: Mon, Jul 31, 2023, 3:30 PM
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 15, 2023, 06:09:20 PM
Speaking of the W-S Beltway, NCDOT press release about US 52 North being moved this weekend to its new alignment at the future Beltway interchange, notice that there is no mention of a completion date for the project:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-06-15-traffic-shift-coming-us-52-forsyth-county.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-06-15-traffic-shift-coming-us-52-forsyth-county.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: carbaugh2 on June 16, 2023, 12:37:10 PM
There was a fiery head-on crash last month caused by someone who stole a car and drove the wrong way on 74.

https://journalnow.com/news/teens-die-in-crash-after-chase-on-winston-salems-northern-beltway-they-were-in-a/article_6c18025e-ede3-11ed-b82d-7b1614111768.html

Quote from: bob7374 on June 15, 2023, 11:39:30 AM
Saw this traffic notice on the Winston-Salem Beltway when perusing some of the traffic camera images in the Greensboro and Winston-Salem area for sign update progress. Isn't this a little early for a pavement repair project, especially one to take 7 weeks? Did they rush to get the road completed when it opened last year?
Incident 666645
Location
- NC-74 (NC 74), Near Baux Mountain Road
- Near Winston-Salem / Mile Marker 46 to 45 Heading West
- Forsyth County
Maintenance: Lane Closed
Left lane closed due to pavement needing repair.
1 of 2 lanes closed.

Expected impact to traffic is High.

Timeframe
Start: Thu, Jun 8, 2023, 6:49 AM
End: Mon, Jul 31, 2023, 3:30 PM
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on June 16, 2023, 03:45:49 PM
Parts of 3 roads near the site of the future I-40/I-74 interchange will be permanently closed on June 20.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-06-15-beltway-project-requires-three-permanent-road-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-06-15-beltway-project-requires-three-permanent-road-closures.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 30, 2023, 01:24:59 PM
The streamer just posted a video showing US 52 North lanes is now open on the permanent new northbound lanes on the video below at the under construction US 52 and I-74 interchange.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv-STTSmNkg
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: nerdom on June 30, 2023, 11:12:13 PM
52 has looked so bad and neglected for so long... This really looks great. Now if we could get it updated to Salem Parkway, Winston would have roads almost half as nice a Gboro.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on June 30, 2023, 11:38:19 PM
Quote from: nerdom on June 30, 2023, 11:12:13 PM
52 has looked so bad and neglected for so long... This really looks great. Now if we could get it updated to Salem Parkway, Winston would have roads almost half as nice a Gboro.
And unfortunately, it still looks terrible all the way up to Pilot Mountain... the entire road needs to be reconstructed from the ground up. It's a bumpy ride, the entire way. Why has it been neglected? I see NCDOT resurfacing segments of freeway that are in much better condition than US-52, yet US-52 has seemingly never been touched in years, if not decades.

It serves a very important role, serving as a freeway connector to the I-77 corridor all the way from the Greensboro, Winston-Salem, Raleigh-Durham, and Wilmington areas, basically a significant part of the state. It's warranted to be simply reconstructed to be a smooth ride.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: fillup420 on July 01, 2023, 09:38:38 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 30, 2023, 11:38:19 PM
Quote from: nerdom on June 30, 2023, 11:12:13 PM
52 has looked so bad and neglected for so long... This really looks great. Now if we could get it updated to Salem Parkway, Winston would have roads almost half as nice a Gboro.
And unfortunately, it still looks terrible all the way up to Pilot Mountain... the entire road needs to be reconstructed from the ground up. It's a bumpy ride, the entire way. Why has it been neglected? I see NCDOT resurfacing segments of freeway that are in much better condition than US-52, yet US-52 has seemingly never been touched in years, if not decades.

It serves a very important role, serving as a freeway connector to the I-77 corridor all the way from the Greensboro, Winston-Salem, Raleigh-Durham, and Wilmington areas, basically a significant part of the state. It's warranted to be simply reconstructed to be a smooth ride.

Seriously. I drove it a few months ago, and I always seem to forget just how bad the road surface is. I personally am not a fan of the whole I-74 idea, but if that will expedite the reconstruction of that section of 52 then its fine by me.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 01, 2023, 10:19:27 AM
Quote from: fillup420 on July 01, 2023, 09:38:38 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 30, 2023, 11:38:19 PM
Quote from: nerdom on June 30, 2023, 11:12:13 PM
52 has looked so bad and neglected for so long... This really looks great. Now if we could get it updated to Salem Parkway, Winston would have roads almost half as nice a Gboro.
And unfortunately, it still looks terrible all the way up to Pilot Mountain... the entire road needs to be reconstructed from the ground up. It's a bumpy ride, the entire way. Why has it been neglected? I see NCDOT resurfacing segments of freeway that are in much better condition than US-52, yet US-52 has seemingly never been touched in years, if not decades.

It serves a very important role, serving as a freeway connector to the I-77 corridor all the way from the Greensboro, Winston-Salem, Raleigh-Durham, and Wilmington areas, basically a significant part of the state. It's warranted to be simply reconstructed to be a smooth ride.

Seriously. I drove it a few months ago, and I always seem to forget just how bad the road surface is. I personally am not a fan of the whole I-74 idea, but if that will expedite the reconstruction of that section of 52 then its fine by me.
There are no projects in the recently approved 2024-2033 STIP to improve US 52 north of Winston-Salem. Though, as suggested there may be an incentive to do something after the Beltway interchange is complete to close the remaining I-74 gap north of there to Mt. Airy. Same thing for US 52 between I-40 and the Beltway if they want I-285 to be designated from I-40 to the Beltway sooner than later.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: cowboy_wilhelm on July 01, 2023, 11:28:55 AM
Somehow the pavement condition is classified as "good" and there are no highway maintenance projects shown for that stretch through 2027. It looks like the section that was previously concrete was resurfaced with asphalt sometime around 2011-2012. I-26 in Henderson County east of U.S. 64 is doing the same thing and also classified as being in "good condition."  :confused:

NCDOT Pavement Condition Map (https://ncdot.maps.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?webmap=fd72c3ba0be144e5928a5b36931c1d61)
NCDOT 2023-2027 Highway Maintenance Improvement Program Map (https://ncdot.maps.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?webmap=441c2ce81ebf42faa77f3e47f5e6a97e)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 02, 2023, 03:06:20 PM
Speaking of I-73 and I-74 Rockingham Bypass, this streamer drove through the construction area a several times in his/her stream channel. If you skip the video to 49:33 and go from there, it will show the new and permanent US 74 West lanes going under the new I-73/I-74 bridges.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KycuQ0JHCAE
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 03, 2023, 06:27:45 PM
Quote from: Strider on July 02, 2023, 03:06:20 PM
Speaking of I-73 and I-74 Rockingham Bypass, this streamer drove through the construction area a several times in his/her stream channel. If you skip the video to 49:33 and go from there, it will show the new and permanent US 74 West lanes going under the new I-73/I-74 bridges.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KycuQ0JHCAE
For those who haven't seen the video, I took some screen grabs in the Rockingham Bypass construction area, including where US 74 is now directed along its future exit ramp:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11ncbrus74w3.jpg)

I have posted several others on my I-73 Segment 11 page:
https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html#photos)

I have also posted Street View images of signage at the completed Hallsboro Road interchange on US 74/76 east of Whiteville on: https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg18.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg18.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 08, 2023, 11:15:57 PM
Google Maps Street View has updated their coverage of US 52 North in the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway interchange project work zone to June allowing the viewing of the new US 52 North lanes:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4constgsv623d.jpg)

Other screen grabs I took from Street View in the area are available at:
https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)

The Winston-Salem Journal reported last week that NCDOT now doesn't expect the interchange to open until around Thanksgiving. The completion date still reported on the project webpage is July 2, 2023.

Street View coverage in June of the construction along US 52 North continues to Westinghouse Road:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg3constgsv623e.jpg)

Those images can be found at: https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg3.html#seg3photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg3.html#seg3photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 16, 2023, 10:58:19 AM
Google Maps has uploaded more June images to their Street View coverage of US 52 North in vicinity of the future I-74/Beltway interchange. Here's a view looking towards the current end of the Beltway at NC 66 showing progress (or lack thereof, the interchange revised completion date was July 2, that's now been publicized as to be around Thanksgiving) in building the connection between the two routes:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4constgsv623s.jpg)

More new images are available at: https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 19, 2023, 10:50:47 PM
NCDOT says that US 52 North traffic will be shifted onto new lanes this weekend between NC 65 and Westinghouse Road as part of the I-74 Beltway interchange project:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-07-19-major-project-requires-traffic-shift-us-52-forsyth-county.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-07-19-major-project-requires-traffic-shift-us-52-forsyth-county.aspx)
Looks like the new third lane seen partially paved in this Street View image from June is now completed:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg3constgsv623h.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 20, 2023, 11:29:34 AM
Another traffic shift announced this weekend at the other end of the Beltway construction area, between Ridgewood and Union Cross Roads:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-07-05-i-74-traffic-shift-required-for-major-construction-project.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-07-05-i-74-traffic-shift-required-for-major-construction-project.aspx)

The new lanes referred to as seen under construction in this March Street View image:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4i40gsv323f.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on August 20, 2023, 11:22:34 AM
I've added new June Google Maps Street View screen shots from the Winston-Salem Beltway construction zones along US 52 South and I-74 West:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg5gsv623f.jpg)

To my I-74 Segment 4 page: [url]https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos[/img]
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on August 28, 2023, 10:03:05 PM
Google Maps now has June 2023 Street View coverage of the under construction I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass interchange at Cartledge Creek Road (the only exit along the Bypass between US 220 and US 74):
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11constgsv623a.jpg)

Additional screen captures at: https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 08, 2023, 10:59:24 AM
NCDOT announces weekend traffic shift and lane closures along Kernersville Road as part of I-74/Northern Beltway construction project:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-09-07-project-traffic-shift-forsyth-county.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-09-07-project-traffic-shift-forsyth-county.aspx)

The shift was postponed to this weekend, Sept. 16-17, meanwhile here is a Street View capture from July looking along Kernersville Road to the construction area, the road being built on the left is what they are opening this weekend:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4constkrgsv723d.jpg)

Along with the weekend closure of the I-40 East exit to Union Cross Road:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-09-07-forsyth-county-temporary-i-40-closure.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-09-07-forsyth-county-temporary-i-40-closure.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 29, 2023, 11:45:14 AM
New September photos courtesy of David Gallo show the interchange in Boardman on US 74/NC 130 West is now open:
(https://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg17constdg923z.jpg)

Other photos in Boardman and new construction photos of the NC 130/72 interchange project to the west available at:
https://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg17.html#segment (https://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg17.html#segment)

Meanwhile, work along US 74/76 in Lake Waccamaw for the new interchange and bridges there continues:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg18constdg923c.jpg)

More photos by David Gallo at: https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg18.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg18.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 05, 2023, 11:31:49 AM
Google Maps has updated its Street View coverage along I-74 (old US 311) east of Winston-Salem to September. I took some screen shots of the Winston-Salem Bypass interchange construction near the Union Cross Road exit:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4constgsv923i.jpg)

Other images at: https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on October 05, 2023, 04:42:20 PM
Street View still lists the Interstate 74 and future NC 192 segments as US 311, even though that designation was truncated to Exit 110B on US 52 in January 2019. Also, it is my understanding that there is still some 311 signage along the old alignment between Randleman and High Point that has yet to be removed.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 09, 2023, 06:29:55 PM
Winston-Salem Journal article about the current delay in building the western section of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-274), the first section not scheduled to start construction until 2030. Plus an update on when the Future I-74 Beltway interchange with US 52 will open:
https://journalnow.com/news/local/western-ws-beltway-delayed/article_ad8f518c-2af2-11ee-9b29-53109ad9542f.html (https://journalnow.com/news/local/western-ws-beltway-delayed/article_ad8f518c-2af2-11ee-9b29-53109ad9542f.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on October 09, 2023, 06:44:25 PM
I wonder if they will decide to build the 274 segment of the WSNB as a tollroad, like the NC 540 (and NC 885) Triangle Expressways. Then the roadway may have to be signed as NC 274, or signed as NC 452.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: carbaugh2 on November 06, 2023, 06:22:37 PM
I came across this article with an update on the Beltway.

https://wstoday.6amcity.com/winston-salem-northern-beltway

I'm not sure what is meant by partial opening, but I'm hoping that means I-74 through traffic.

-- Fixed URL. -rmf67
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on November 06, 2023, 08:15:02 PM
Partial opening before Thanksgiving. Likely the northerly ramps, with the southern ramps opening next year. I-74 / US-52 traffic to I-40 East should be able to fully bypass Winston-Salem in a week or two.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on November 09, 2023, 11:56:40 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 09, 2023, 06:44:25 PM
I wonder if they will decide to build the 274 segment of the WSNB as a tollroad, like the NC 540 (and NC 885) Triangle Expressways. Then the roadway may have to be signed as NC 274, or signed as NC 452.

If the road is being built as a toll road (I highly doubt it will happen.. there will definitely be backlash because almost nobody likes to pay toll), it will more likely to be signed as Toll NC 274.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on November 10, 2023, 07:47:02 AM
It is already NC 452 so I don't see the need to renumber as already-in-use NC 274. Also, it can be I-274 even if tolled.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on November 10, 2023, 01:23:38 PM
I believe the Interstate 274 segment of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway will not start construction until the 2030s. Would it have been possible to make the Interstate 74/274 beltway a full 360-degree beltway, connecting US 158 with future Interstate 74/future NC 192 along the southern side of the Winston-Salem area? Or was proposed construction of Interstate 274 to end at US 158 instead of continuing to 74/192 because doing so had too many impacts, or was financially or otherwise impractical?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on November 10, 2023, 08:08:20 PM
IMHO, there are much more important priorities in NC than 274.  It mostly seems to serve the Ashley distribution center in Advance.  I'd rater see the $$ go to slowly 6 laning 40 going west.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on November 10, 2023, 11:00:13 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on November 10, 2023, 01:23:38 PM
I believe the Interstate 274 segment of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway will not start construction until the 2030s. Would it have been possible to make the Interstate 74/274 beltway a full 360-degree beltway, connecting US 158 with future Interstate 74/future NC 192 along the southern side of the Winston-Salem area? Or was proposed construction of Interstate 274 to end at US 158 instead of continuing to 74/192 because doing so had too many impacts, or was financially or otherwise impractical?


There was an early plan for the southern beltway from US 158 to where I-74 meets future NC 192 but it was dropped because no alternative were chosen and NCDOT did not include that part in their future plans. However, it is possible to revive that when the entire beltway is finished (after 2030s).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 11, 2023, 11:08:39 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 06, 2023, 08:15:02 PM
Partial opening before Thanksgiving. Likely the northerly ramps, with the southern ramps opening next year. I-74 / US-52 traffic to I-40 East should be able to fully bypass Winston-Salem in a week or two.
This 'incident' has appeared on the NCDOT Traffic Map along US 52:
The left hand land of US-52 southbound [starting at the Westinghouse Road exit] will be closed in order to tie the existing roadway to the upcoming shift that will be on November 17th. Please use caution proceeding through the work zone and pay attention for workers.

Could this be when they plan to partially open the Beltway interchange?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 14, 2023, 12:03:01 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 11, 2023, 11:08:39 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 06, 2023, 08:15:02 PM
Partial opening before Thanksgiving. Likely the northerly ramps, with the southern ramps opening next year. I-74 / US-52 traffic to I-40 East should be able to fully bypass Winston-Salem in a week or two.
This 'incident' has appeared on the NCDOT Traffic Map along US 52:
The left hand land of US-52 southbound [starting at the Westinghouse Road exit] will be closed in order to tie the existing roadway to the upcoming shift that will be on November 17th. Please use caution proceeding through the work zone and pay attention for workers.

Could this be when they plan to partially open the Beltway interchange?
Another construction incident has popped up for US 52 today (11/14), this one definitely for the upcoming Beltway interchange opening:
US-52, Near NC-65
• Near Rural Hall / Mile Marker 117 to 118 Heading North
• Forsyth County
Construction: Lane Closed
The right lane will be closed on US-52 northbound to tie in the upcoming traffic shift from NC-74 to existing US-52. Please use caution when proceeding through the work zone and pay attention for workers.
1 of 2 lanes closed.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on November 15, 2023, 03:11:12 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 14, 2023, 12:03:01 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 11, 2023, 11:08:39 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 06, 2023, 08:15:02 PM
Partial opening before Thanksgiving. Likely the northerly ramps, with the southern ramps opening next year. I-74 / US-52 traffic to I-40 East should be able to fully bypass Winston-Salem in a week or two.
This 'incident' has appeared on the NCDOT Traffic Map along US 52:
The left hand land of US-52 southbound [starting at the Westinghouse Road exit] will be closed in order to tie the existing roadway to the upcoming shift that will be on November 17th. Please use caution proceeding through the work zone and pay attention for workers.

Could this be when they plan to partially open the Beltway interchange?
Another construction incident has popped up for US 52 today (11/14), this one definitely for the upcoming Beltway interchange opening:
US-52, Near NC-65
• Near Rural Hall / Mile Marker 117 to 118 Heading North
• Forsyth County
Construction: Lane Closed
The right lane will be closed on US-52 northbound to tie in the upcoming traffic shift from NC-74 to existing US-52. Please use caution when proceeding through the work zone and pay attention for workers.
1 of 2 lanes closed.

NCDOT press release:

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-11-15-lane-traffic-shift-beltway-forsyth.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-11-15-lane-traffic-shift-beltway-forsyth.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 16, 2023, 11:56:45 AM
Quote from: LM117 on November 15, 2023, 03:11:12 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 14, 2023, 12:03:01 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 11, 2023, 11:08:39 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on November 06, 2023, 08:15:02 PM
Partial opening before Thanksgiving. Likely the northerly ramps, with the southern ramps opening next year. I-74 / US-52 traffic to I-40 East should be able to fully bypass Winston-Salem in a week or two.
This 'incident' has appeared on the NCDOT Traffic Map along US 52:
The left hand land of US-52 southbound [starting at the Westinghouse Road exit] will be closed in order to tie the existing roadway to the upcoming shift that will be on November 17th. Please use caution proceeding through the work zone and pay attention for workers.

Could this be when they plan to partially open the Beltway interchange?
Another construction incident has popped up for US 52 today (11/14), this one definitely for the upcoming Beltway interchange opening:
US-52, Near NC-65
• Near Rural Hall / Mile Marker 117 to 118 Heading North
• Forsyth County
Construction: Lane Closed
The right lane will be closed on US-52 northbound to tie in the upcoming traffic shift from NC-74 to existing US-52. Please use caution when proceeding through the work zone and pay attention for workers.
1 of 2 lanes closed.

NCDOT press release:

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-11-15-lane-traffic-shift-beltway-forsyth.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-11-15-lane-traffic-shift-beltway-forsyth.aspx)
Coverage of opening in the Winston-Salem Journal:
https://journalnow.com/news/local/gallery-northern-beltway-section-opens-this-weekend/collection_82f7507c-8403-11ee-994f-d35d76e1d58f.html (https://journalnow.com/news/local/gallery-northern-beltway-section-opens-this-weekend/collection_82f7507c-8403-11ee-994f-d35d76e1d58f.html)
(behind paywall if you have already exceeded their article limit)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on November 16, 2023, 03:52:56 PM
Will they wait until the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway is completed between US 52 and Interstate 74/future NC 192 before replacing the NC 74 signs with Interstate 74 signs?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on November 16, 2023, 04:25:11 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on November 16, 2023, 03:52:56 PM
Will they wait until the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway is completed between US 52 and Interstate 74/future NC 192 before replacing the NC 74 signs with Interstate 74 signs?

Good question. I believe they're going to signing that part as NC 74 until it is at least finished towards I-40. If not, then yes until it meets current I-74/future NC 192. But NCDOT has done crazy things before, so I will not be surprised if they went ahead and sign it I-74.  :-D :-D
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 16, 2023, 06:01:44 PM
Another good question is whether NCDOT plans to renumber the US 52 exits to I-74 mileage after the Beltway interchange is open or wait until the entire I-74 section of the Beltway is completed. The sign plans with the new exit numbers were issued with the final contract for the section south/east of I-40. The exit renumbering was to happen along with the placement of Future I-74 signs, which may not make sense for when the Beltway is signed as NC 74. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on November 16, 2023, 06:21:19 PM
I think the exits on US 52 should have already been renumbered to correspond with the mileage of future Interstate 74 and Interstate 285 (present and future segments). Maybe NCDOT will wait until all of the US 52 freeway is completely up to Interstate Standards before renumbering the exits.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on November 20, 2023, 10:00:06 PM
The NC 74/US 52 partial interchange is open. It is just like the original "Y" interchange that goes to NC 66 (US 52 S to NC 74 E, and NC 74W to US 52 N).

I think they rushed on to open it too soon. Both directions of US 52 lanes are moved to future I-74 West lanes between the split and Westinghouse Rd interchanges while they're working on future I-74 East lanes (that is why they did not open the future eastbound lanes for I-74 as there are a lot of work to be done... including the bridge that will carry traffic to US 52 South and future I-274.)

The VMI ground mounted signage is kind of poor though.

Going to NC 74 East from US 52 South (using future I-74 Westbound lanes) is the left exit, which begins as a one single lane and immediately gained an extra lane before going under the permanent US 52 North bridge and then returns back to NC 74 Eastbound lanes at the current NC 66/University Parkway interchange).

As for going West on NC 74 past the NC 66/University Pkwy interchange, there is only one lane that immediately detours onto the future US 52 South (I-274, I-285) ramp because NC-74 East lanes are using the westbound lanes for now. However, you're forced to divert to US 52 North as the ramp to US 52 South is still under construction, and then when you merge onto US 52 North, that lane ends almost immediately leaving you a little time to merge onto US 52 North.. not to mention that the exit ramp for the NC 65 interchange is immediately ahead. I can imagine a temporary weaving issue in that area.

If you are driving in that area while the construction is ongoing.. pay attention. It is a mess. For now.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Dirt Roads on November 21, 2023, 09:47:40 AM
Quote from: Strider on November 20, 2023, 10:00:06 PM
If you are driving in that area while the construction is ongoing.. pay attention. It is a mess. For now.

It has to be better than a month ago when (making the connection from NC-74 -to- US-52) there was construction on both sides of University Parkway between Coral Drive -and- Hanes Mill Road.  Fortunately, that construction was done when I came back through the next day.  On a different note, I've kinda gotten attached to the Waffle House at Hanes Mill Road.  Won't need to go that way ever again.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 21, 2023, 06:27:38 PM
On the other side of the state, NCDOT has advertised for the pavement rehabilitation project along US 74 (Future I-74) from NC 41 to just beyond the Lumber River bridges in Columbus County. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like this contract is improving any of the route to interstate standards. The plans appear to call for placing new pavement for two 10 foot lanes in each direction and a 4 foot shoulder. The contract is also creating a reduced conflict intersection at the Creek Road intersection, though its planned to be turned into an interchange in 2027. There is an interesting type on the second page of the SigningPlans3 file, signs on US 74 West for NC 150 are marked as NC 220, fortunately they're not replacing them.

The sign plans are at: https://xfer.services.ncdot.gov/dsplan/2023%20Highway%20Letting/12-19-23/Plans%20and%20Proposals/COLUMBUS_ROBESON_HI-0016_HI-0017_C204845/HI-0016/Standard%20PDF%20Files/ (https://xfer.services.ncdot.gov/dsplan/2023%20Highway%20Letting/12-19-23/Plans%20and%20Proposals/COLUMBUS_ROBESON_HI-0016_HI-0017_C204845/HI-0016/Standard%20PDF%20Files/)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 21, 2023, 06:41:25 PM
QuoteThere is an interesting type on the second page of the SigningPlans3 file, signs on US 74 West for NC 130 are marked as NC 220, fortunately they're not replacing them.

Yeah, I was confused with Shelby for a minute there.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 26, 2023, 10:23:41 PM
Google Maps Street View has updated some of its coverage of I-40 south of Winston-Salem to October. I made some screen grabs of the newly paved future ramps to I-74 East and West, eastbound here:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4const1023b.jpg)

Additional images at: https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on November 27, 2023, 09:36:50 AM
Google maps is showing the bypass interchange with US 52 as partially open.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2083734,-80.2931324,2363m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m2!1e1!1e4?entry=ttu
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: PColumbus73 on November 28, 2023, 08:26:45 PM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on November 27, 2023, 09:36:50 AM
Google maps is showing the bypass interchange with US 52 as partially open.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2083734,-80.2931324,2363m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m2!1e1!1e4?entry=ttu

Drove through the area yesterday coming back from Thanksgiving, it looks like 74 is open from US 52 to US 421. I didn't get on it this time, I was in the wrong lane and it was kind of hard to tell with the ongoing construction.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on November 29, 2023, 11:18:38 AM
The portion of future Interstate 74 between US 421 and Interstate 74/future NC 192 does not show any signs of construction yet on Google Maps Satellite View. One has to go onto Street View to get any signs of construction.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 29, 2023, 11:43:07 AM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on November 28, 2023, 08:26:45 PM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on November 27, 2023, 09:36:50 AM
Google maps is showing the bypass interchange with US 52 as partially open.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2083734,-80.2931324,2363m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m2!1e1!1e4?entry=ttu

Drove through the area yesterday coming back from Thanksgiving, it looks like 74 is open from US 52 to US 421. I didn't get on it this time, I was in the wrong lane and it was kind of hard to tell with the ongoing construction.
I take that comment to mean there's not much new signage up as yet along US 52. Based on viewing the traffic cameras on US 421 they have also not yet updated signage at the Beltway exit indicating that NC 74 can be used as a bypass around Winston-Salem to US 52 North.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: PColumbus73 on November 29, 2023, 05:59:50 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 29, 2023, 11:43:07 AM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on November 28, 2023, 08:26:45 PM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on November 27, 2023, 09:36:50 AM
Google maps is showing the bypass interchange with US 52 as partially open.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2083734,-80.2931324,2363m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m2!1e1!1e4?entry=ttu

Drove through the area yesterday coming back from Thanksgiving, it looks like 74 is open from US 52 to US 421. I didn't get on it this time, I was in the wrong lane and it was kind of hard to tell with the ongoing construction.
I take that comment to mean there's not much new signage up as yet along US 52. Based on viewing the traffic cameras on US 421 they have also not yet updated signage at the Beltway exit indicating that NC 74 can be used as a bypass around Winston-Salem to US 52 North.

Except for portable VMS signs, there was none heading south on US 52.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on November 29, 2023, 10:26:51 PM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on November 29, 2023, 05:59:50 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 29, 2023, 11:43:07 AM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on November 28, 2023, 08:26:45 PM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on November 27, 2023, 09:36:50 AM
Google maps is showing the bypass interchange with US 52 as partially open.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2083734,-80.2931324,2363m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m2!1e1!1e4?entry=ttu

Drove through the area yesterday coming back from Thanksgiving, it looks like 74 is open from US 52 to US 421. I didn't get on it this time, I was in the wrong lane and it was kind of hard to tell with the ongoing construction.
I take that comment to mean there's not much new signage up as yet along US 52. Based on viewing the traffic cameras on US 421 they have also not yet updated signage at the Beltway exit indicating that NC 74 can be used as a bypass around Winston-Salem to US 52 North.

Except for portable VMS signs, there was none heading south on US 52.

There are two portable VMS signs on US 52 South. One of them is hard to see because it is sort of hidden behind the construction trucks right before the NC 65 exit. The second one is right before the temporary NC-74 East and US 52 South split, but it is switching between "NC-74 EAST, LEFT EXIT" and "US 52 SOUTH, RIGHT LANES" repeatedly. I often see cars switch lanes at the very last minute (almost missing the exit just like you did).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: PColumbus73 on November 30, 2023, 08:44:15 AM
Quote from: Strider on November 29, 2023, 10:26:51 PM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on November 29, 2023, 05:59:50 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 29, 2023, 11:43:07 AM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on November 28, 2023, 08:26:45 PM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on November 27, 2023, 09:36:50 AM
Google maps is showing the bypass interchange with US 52 as partially open.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2083734,-80.2931324,2363m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m2!1e1!1e4?entry=ttu

Drove through the area yesterday coming back from Thanksgiving, it looks like 74 is open from US 52 to US 421. I didn't get on it this time, I was in the wrong lane and it was kind of hard to tell with the ongoing construction.
I take that comment to mean there's not much new signage up as yet along US 52. Based on viewing the traffic cameras on US 421 they have also not yet updated signage at the Beltway exit indicating that NC 74 can be used as a bypass around Winston-Salem to US 52 North.

Except for portable VMS signs, there was none heading south on US 52.

There are two portable VMS signs on US 52 South. One of them is hard to see because it is sort of hidden behind the construction trucks right before the NC 65 exit. The second one is right before the temporary NC-74 East and US 52 South split, but it is switching between "NC-74 EAST, LEFT EXIT" and "US 52 SOUTH, RIGHT LANES" repeatedly. I often see cars switch lanes at the very last minute (almost missing the exit just like you did).

Judging by the satellite view, it looks like the current east/southbound exit to 74 will eventually be the westbound lanes of 74. I don't imagine permanent signage will be installed until the south/eastbound lanes are shifted to their final alignment.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 15, 2023, 09:42:26 PM
Tar Heel Dashcam has a new video traveling the new (but still far from complete) extension of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74) from NC 66 to US 52 (after the 12 minute mark of the 25 minute video) showing the lack of permanent signage referred to above:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oszR8UMuYgk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oszR8UMuYgk)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 24, 2023, 12:59:17 PM
I've added new photos with coverage of the now open US 52 interchange with the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74), such as this showing the current split of lanes on US 52 South, courtesy of Mark David Moore:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg3constmdm1223i.jpg)

to my I-74 Segment 3, https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg3.html#seg3photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg3.html#seg3photos)
and Segment 4 https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#seg4photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#seg4photos)  pages.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 26, 2023, 12:20:49 PM
Another December video highlighting construction of the Winston-Salem Beltway, this time at the southern end along I-40 and I-74. The I-40 portion shows progress in building the flyover ramps:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W58A-kHjvAo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W58A-kHjvAo)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 06, 2024, 12:17:06 PM
Before the New Year gets too old, I've posted my 2023 year in review for I-73/I-74 and other new and future interstates in NC on the Gribblenation blog site:
https://www.gribblenation.org/2024/01/i-73i-74-and-nc-new-and-future.html (https://www.gribblenation.org/2024/01/i-73i-74-and-nc-new-and-future.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on January 06, 2024, 01:31:27 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 06, 2024, 12:17:06 PM
Before the New Year gets too old, I've posted my 2023 year in review for I-73/I-74 and other new and future interstates in NC on the Gribblenation blog site:
https://www.gribblenation.org/2024/01/i-73i-74-and-nc-new-and-future.html (https://www.gribblenation.org/2024/01/i-73i-74-and-nc-new-and-future.html)
Good article! One thing I'll comment on at the end, "If the completion of the Reedy Fork interchange occurs on schedule, a couple miles will be ready for the signing of I-785 along US 29."

Last I recall, the Reedy Fork interchange project was only constructing a new interchange at that location, it was not upgrading the mainline between Reedy Fork Rd and the Hicone Road interchange near I-840. Signing will have to wait until the mainline itself is upgraded.

I don't imagine NCDOT will sign any portion additional of I-785 until the mainline is upgraded between Hicone Road and the existing freeway near Reidsville.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on January 06, 2024, 02:38:10 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 06, 2024, 01:31:27 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 06, 2024, 12:17:06 PM
Before the New Year gets too old, I've posted my 2023 year in review for I-73/I-74 and other new and future interstates in NC on the Gribblenation blog site:
https://www.gribblenation.org/2024/01/i-73i-74-and-nc-new-and-future.html (https://www.gribblenation.org/2024/01/i-73i-74-and-nc-new-and-future.html)
Good article! One thing I'll comment on at the end, "If the completion of the Reedy Fork interchange occurs on schedule, a couple miles will be ready for the signing of I-785 along US 29."

Last I recall, the Reedy Fork interchange project was only constructing a new interchange at that location, it was not upgrading the mainline between Reedy Fork Rd and the Hicone Road interchange near I-840. Signing will have to wait until the mainline itself is upgraded.

I don't imagine NCDOT will sign any portion additional of I-785 until the mainline is upgraded between Hicone Road and the existing freeway near Reidsville.

Yeah, you are correct. NCDOT is not going to sign additional I-785 sign until the entire roadway between Hicone Road and Business US 29/US 29 split. I would be surprised if they extended I-785 for a little bit towards the Reddy Fork interchange, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: PColumbus73 on January 12, 2024, 10:40:05 AM
Are there any plans to rebuild the US 52 / US 421 interchange in Winston-Salem after I-74 is built?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 12, 2024, 09:47:28 PM
I have posted several photos courtesy of David Gallo showing progress in constructing the new interchange on US 74 (Future I-74) with NC 130/NC 72 in Robeson County, including:
(https://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg17dg124d.jpg)

Other photos are at: https://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg17.html#segment (https://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg17.html#segment)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on January 13, 2024, 07:28:58 PM
No updates yet on Google Maps or Street View (latest update was May 2023).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: PColumbus73 on January 24, 2024, 10:15:07 AM
When the interchange in west Rockingham is completed with US 74, are there any plans to reroute US 74 back onto Business 74 through Rockingham and Hamlet?

Having three 74s meeting at one interchange (I-74, US 74, Business 74) seems like it would invite confusion since this is where I/US 74 split from each other.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 24, 2024, 12:23:18 PM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on January 24, 2024, 10:15:07 AM
When the interchange in west Rockingham is completed with US 74, are there any plans to reroute US 74 back onto Business 74 through Rockingham and Hamlet?

Having three 74s meeting at one interchange (I-74, US 74, Business 74) seems like it would invite confusion since this is where I/US 74 split from each other.
It doesn't appear so based on the sign plans for the Bypass project. Confusion, what confusion?:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11i74us74eastsignplan1.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on January 24, 2024, 12:42:31 PM
Once future Interstates 73/74 from US 220 to the US 74 Rockingham Bypass is completed, will the exits on the remainder of the bypass get exit numbers via the mileage of Interstate 74 (Exit 306 could probably stay the same, at least eastbound)?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: PColumbus73 on January 24, 2024, 12:52:41 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 24, 2024, 12:23:18 PM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on January 24, 2024, 10:15:07 AM
When the interchange in west Rockingham is completed with US 74, are there any plans to reroute US 74 back onto Business 74 through Rockingham and Hamlet?

Having three 74s meeting at one interchange (I-74, US 74, Business 74) seems like it would invite confusion since this is where I/US 74 split from each other.

I was thinking more about the westbound direction.
It doesn't appear so based on the sign plans for the Bypass project. Confusion, what confusion?:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11i74us74eastsignplan1.jpg)

I was thinking more about the westbound direction.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on January 24, 2024, 04:31:23 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 24, 2024, 12:42:31 PM
Once future Interstates 73/74 from US 220 to the US 74 Rockingham Bypass is completed, will the exits on the remainder of the bypass get exit numbers via the mileage of Interstate 74 (Exit 306 could probably stay the same, at least eastbound)?


The exits will follow I-73's from its current end at US 220 (Exit 22) towards the US 74/Business 74 interchange (Exit 16) where I-73 will temporarily end until I-73 is extended into SC (whenever that comes), and the rest of the mileage will either follow US 74's or I-74's.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 24, 2024, 11:14:05 PM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on January 24, 2024, 12:52:41 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 24, 2024, 12:23:18 PM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on January 24, 2024, 10:15:07 AM
When the interchange in west Rockingham is completed with US 74, are there any plans to reroute US 74 back onto Business 74 through Rockingham and Hamlet?

Having three 74s meeting at one interchange (I-74, US 74, Business 74) seems like it would invite confusion since this is where I/US 74 split from each other.

It doesn't appear so based on the sign plans for the Bypass project. Confusion, what confusion?:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11i74us74eastsignplan1.jpg)

I was thinking more about the westbound direction.
Here's one of the westbound sign plans:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11us74westsignplan1.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on January 25, 2024, 08:26:06 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 24, 2024, 11:14:05 PM
Here's one of the westbound sign plans:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11us74westsignplan1.jpg)
"At the fork, follow signs for 74 West"
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Roadsguy on January 27, 2024, 10:48:03 PM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on January 24, 2024, 10:15:07 AM
When the interchange in west Rockingham is completed with US 74, are there any plans to reroute US 74 back onto Business 74 through Rockingham and Hamlet?

Having three 74s meeting at one interchange (I-74, US 74, Business 74) seems like it would invite confusion since this is where I/US 74 split from each other.

I predict they'll only do that if an east-west Interstate designation is established between Charlotte (or Columbus) and Wilmington along US 74. As-is, even after I-73 and I-74 are complete into SC (assuming I-74 doesn't get rerouted to Wilmington at some point), US 74 will still be the main long-distance east-west route through this area, so having that route exit onto local roads through towns just because an unrelated Interstate happens to run through the area would probably be even more confusing than having three 74's meet at one interchange.

By comparison, I-42 follows US 70 for the entirety of its proposed length, so US 70 is clearly the secondary route here and makes sense to be returned to its original alignment wherever appropriate. The same goes for I-87/US 64, I-587/US 264, etc.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sturmde on February 12, 2024, 10:44:16 AM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on January 24, 2024, 10:15:07 AM
When the interchange in west Rockingham is completed with US 74, are there any plans to reroute US 74 back onto Business 74 through Rockingham and Hamlet?

Having three 74s meeting at one interchange (I-74, US 74, Business 74) seems like it would invite confusion since this is where I/US 74 split from each other.

Changing all of I-74 from I-81 to Wilmington to I-34 would have long ago been the smart move, but that's what you get from ~25 year old legislations from muckraking politicians trying to satiate everyone with false promises of a Midwest-Myrtle 73 corridor.  34 rhymes with 74, but 32, 36, or 38 would have worked, too.

Also, this is why I-41/US 41 isn't an issue since they were made to be coterminous and coexistent.  But the "74" situation is a total screw-up on NCDOT's part.  YEARS ago, they should have availed themselves instead of extending 74 west of Asheville and realigning it along the new freeway and I-26 from Charlotte to Asheville... with an EASTWARD extension of US 72 from Chattanooga instead.  If they'd done that, then US 72 would now exist as a Memphis - Huntsville -Chattanooga - Asheville - Charlotte - Wilmington route, which makes a lot of sense as a major route between US 70 and US 76 in the "big picture".  Now, it would be damn expensive to replace all the US 74 shields. 

Piecemeal might be the only way to go?  If you leave the western parts of US 74 alone, ditch it as it reaches I-40 from the west.  Then let 74-A be US 174.  The freeway when it's done from I-26 to I-85 can become I-28... From Charlotte to Rockingham can be US 174, too.  Use the Michigan US 27/127 precedent.  And then it goes into Rockingham and takes over all the alternate routes as far as you want.  A US 174 parallel to I-74 isn't so bad.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on February 13, 2024, 11:52:55 PM
Quote from: sturmde on February 12, 2024, 10:44:16 AM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on January 24, 2024, 10:15:07 AM
When the interchange in west Rockingham is completed with US 74, are there any plans to reroute US 74 back onto Business 74 through Rockingham and Hamlet?

Having three 74s meeting at one interchange (I-74, US 74, Business 74) seems like it would invite confusion since this is where I/US 74 split from each other.

Changing all of I-74 from I-81 to Wilmington to I-34 would have long ago been the smart move, but that's what you get from ~25 year old legislations from muckraking politicians trying to satiate everyone with false promises of a Midwest-Myrtle 73 corridor.  34 rhymes with 74, but 32, 36, or 38 would have worked, too.

Also, this is why I-41/US 41 isn't an issue since they were made to be coterminous and coexistent.  But the "74" situation is a total screw-up on NCDOT's part.  YEARS ago, they should have availed themselves instead of extending 74 west of Asheville and realigning it along the new freeway and I-26 from Charlotte to Asheville... with an EASTWARD extension of US 72 from Chattanooga instead.  If they'd done that, then US 72 would now exist as a Memphis - Huntsville -Chattanooga - Asheville - Charlotte - Wilmington route, which makes a lot of sense as a major route between US 70 and US 76 in the "big picture".  Now, it would be damn expensive to replace all the US 74 shields. 

Piecemeal might be the only way to go?  If you leave the western parts of US 74 alone, ditch it as it reaches I-40 from the west.  Then let 74-A be US 174.  The freeway when it's done from I-26 to I-85 can become I-28... From Charlotte to Rockingham can be US 174, too.  Use the Michigan US 27/127 precedent.  And then it goes into Rockingham and takes over all the alternate routes as far as you want.  A US 174 parallel to I-74 isn't so bad.

This one goes to fictional part of the website. There has been NO proposed I-xx routes other than I-73 and I-74 in NC when they were first proposed (way before I-42 and other new interstates) and it wasn't a screw-up by NCDOT, and it has been talked about for decades, so this one goes to fictional thread.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on February 14, 2024, 11:04:56 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the Interstate 485-to-future Interstate 73/74 segment of US 74 between Charlotte and Rockingham gets an Interstate designation eventually. After all, North Carolina is going gangbusters on designating new Interstate corridors.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on February 27, 2024, 02:29:17 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 14, 2024, 11:04:56 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the Interstate 485-to-future Interstate 73/74 segment of US 74 between Charlotte and Rockingham gets an Interstate designation eventually. After all, North Carolina is going gangbusters on designating new Interstate corridors.
Maybe, but a quick check on Google Maps shows that US 74 in that section is far from interstate grade.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on February 28, 2024, 02:15:00 AM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on February 27, 2024, 02:29:17 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 14, 2024, 11:04:56 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the Interstate 485-to-future Interstate 73/74 segment of US 74 between Charlotte and Rockingham gets an Interstate designation eventually. After all, North Carolina is going gangbusters on designating new Interstate corridors.
Maybe, but a quick check on Google Maps shows that US 74 in that section is far from interstate grade.
Yeah, a good bit of would need significant upgrading with frontage roads, interchanges, and a couple town bypasses. Although, it would be logical to upgrade that to freeway regardless, it's a major highway across the state connecting Asheville, Charlotte, and Wilmington and carries a bit of traffic.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on February 28, 2024, 05:23:14 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 14, 2024, 11:04:56 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the Interstate 485-to-future Interstate 73/74 segment of US 74 between Charlotte and Rockingham gets an Interstate designation eventually. After all, North Carolina is going gangbusters on designating new Interstate corridors.


Except it will NOT get an interstate designation. Toll Roads in NC are not designed as interstates and will not be signed as such. After the bonds are paid off, who knows. However, the ONLY interstate designation is only proposed along US 74 section other than I-73/I-74 multiplex is the section between I-26 and I-85.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sprjus4 on February 28, 2024, 05:41:35 PM
Quote from: Strider on February 28, 2024, 05:23:14 PM
Except it will NOT get an interstate designation. Toll Roads in NC are not designed as interstates and will not be signed as such.
Assuming the FHWA's website is correct, it appears that no federal funding was used in this project. If that is the case, I believe an interstate designation is allowable should NCDOT apply for such.
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ipd/project_profiles/nc_monroe_expressway.aspx

On the other hand, the NC-540 project built around 12 years used around $86.3 million in federal funding, meaning that facility cannot carry an interstate designation, hence why it was labeled as State Route 540 instead of Interstate 540.
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ipd/project_profiles/nc_triangle_expressway.aspx
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on February 29, 2024, 10:08:02 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 28, 2024, 05:41:35 PM
Quote from: Strider on February 28, 2024, 05:23:14 PM
Except it will NOT get an interstate designation. Toll Roads in NC are not designed as interstates and will not be signed as such.
Assuming the FHWA's website is correct, it appears that no federal funding was used in this project. If that is the case, I believe an interstate designation is allowable should NCDOT apply for such.
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ipd/project_profiles/nc_monroe_expressway.aspx

On the other hand, the NC-540 project built around 12 years used around $86.3 million in federal funding, meaning that facility cannot carry an interstate designation, hence why it was labeled as State Route 540 instead of Interstate 540.
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ipd/project_profiles/nc_triangle_expressway.aspx

This prohibition has ceased to be a thing.  This is from reply #20 of https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=31769.msg2753261#msg2753261

Quote
Incidentally you can check the text for years back to at least 1995 with this URL and change the year -
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-1995-title23/html/USCODE-1995-title23.htm

It appears federal $ can be used in constructing NEW toll roads that can be assigned interstate status based on the change I pointed out.

The FAQ Froggie cited clearly says new construction.

(a)(1)(F) seems to say federal $ cannot be used to reconstruct an interstate to then make it a toll road.

Designating an interstate is actually covered in 23 USC 103(c)(4) which does not say toll roads are ineligible.  The 1995 version of 23 USC 103 has less language (and is actually 103(e)).  The 103(c)(4) language has been the same since 1998.

My extensive experience with Nuclear Regulatory Commission regulations is that if there is no explicit language prohibiting something, you can in theory do it.  But there could be FWHA policy that says they won't approve an existing toll road to become an interstate.  There are regulations that are in place to implement 23 USC 103.

23 CFR 470.111 governs designating interstates.  It references Appendix A and B of 23 CFR 470 (scroll down a short distance from 470.111) for criteria.  Toll roads are again not mentioned.

Drilling down further to see if FHWA policy might still preclude designating an existing toll road an interstate, I found this guidance which goes into construction-related activities including the mainstreaming of the pilot programs - https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/map21/guidance/guidetoll.cfm.  But I didn't find anything related to designating existing toll roads.  Which I conclude has always been legal, since I-240 OKC was approved; I-44's extension southwest of OKC years ago and I-335 Kansas years ago were to long-existing toll-roads.

There might be a question whether tolls roads built with federal funds when that prohibition did exist are still subject to that prohibition.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on February 29, 2024, 10:40:43 PM
I've posted several photos of progress in constructing the future I-40/I-74 Winston-Salem Northern Beltway interchange, courtesy of David Johnson, such as of the flyover ramps:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4constdj224d.jpg)

to my I-74 Segment 4 page: https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on March 01, 2024, 12:38:18 PM
Google Maps has been updated to include construction of NC 74/future Interstate 74 from US 421 to existing Interstate 74: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0789624,-80.1660417,7606m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu. Now if they could just get rid of the remaining US 311 signage, Google Maps could delist 311 south of US 52/future Interstate 285's Exit 110B.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 12, 2024, 12:04:18 PM
NCDOT announcing Westinghouse Road ramp closure to US 52 South (Future I-74 East) this weekend, hopefully this means the new third lane from there to the Beltway exit is getting closer to completion:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2024/2024-12-03-weekend-closure-forsyth.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2024/2024-12-03-weekend-closure-forsyth.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on March 16, 2024, 02:06:19 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 29, 2024, 10:40:43 PM
I've posted several photos of progress in constructing the future I-40/I-74 Winston-Salem Northern Beltway interchange, courtesy of David Johnson, such as of the flyover ramps:
(https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4constdj224d.jpg)

to my I-74 Segment 4 page: https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)

They are a lot further along on that project than I thought they were
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on March 21, 2024, 08:52:34 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on March 12, 2024, 12:04:18 PM
NCDOT announcing Westinghouse Road ramp closure to US 52 South (Future I-74 East) this weekend, hopefully this means the new third lane from there to the Beltway exit is getting closer to completion:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2024/2024-12-03-weekend-closure-forsyth.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2024/2024-12-03-weekend-closure-forsyth.aspx)
Did what you expected with t he 3rd lane occur