AARoads Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length

Author Topic: Clusterfucked interchanges  (Read 1338 times)

sparker

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 1309
  • Location: Bay Area, CA
  • Last Login: Today at 06:01:29 AM
Re: Clusterfucked interchanges
« Reply #50 on: April 21, 2017, 04:39:25 AM »

I'll nominate the 55 cloverleaf at Crump Blvd for Tennessee


iPhone

I was under the impression that that interchange was in the process of rebuilding (unless for some reason TNDOT pulled the funding) with through lanes for 55.  For several years in the early '00's I was on that very road on trips to Atlanta and -- just like anyone with any sense -- found the arrangement almost laughable in either direction.  I certainly hope the project is still active and underway!
Logged

fillup420

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 14
  • Location: Boone, NC
  • Last Login: Today at 09:15:57 AM
Re: Clusterfucked interchanges
« Reply #51 on: April 21, 2017, 09:05:00 AM »

Death Valley in Greensboro, NC is the merge point of I-40, I-85 Business, US 29/70 and US 220. There are left and right exits/entrances within half-mile of each other. I-40 and Business 85 merge so close to the Randleman Rd exit that 2 separate ramp sets are required. For about a mile, the road is signed as:
I-40, I-85 Business, US 29/70/220 (and US 421 used to be routed along here too).

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0309201,-79.8052442,15z
Logged

Max Rockatansky

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 3654
  • Location: Route 9, Sector 26
  • Last Login: Today at 08:50:46 AM
Re: Clusterfucked interchanges
« Reply #52 on: April 21, 2017, 09:33:54 AM »

Death Valley in Greensboro, NC is the merge point of I-40, I-85 Business, US 29/70 and US 220. There are left and right exits/entrances within half-mile of each other. I-40 and Business 85 merge so close to the Randleman Rd exit that 2 separate ramp sets are required. For about a mile, the road is signed as:
I-40, I-85 Business, US 29/70/220 (and US 421 used to be routed along here too).

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0309201,-79.8052442,15z

85IBLb by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr
Logged

vdeane

  • *
  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 7906
  • Age: 26
  • Location: Latham, NY
  • Last Login: April 22, 2017, 07:02:03 PM
    • New York State Roads
Re: Clusterfucked interchanges
« Reply #53 on: April 21, 2017, 12:48:19 PM »

I-476 and I-81 in Scranton strikes me as an elegant exercise in bureaucracy with all the tangled complexity of my vas deferens.

For sure, there's topography to get around; yet it seems like either a planned extension of I-476 just never occurred, somebody didn't want to give up the sweet lucre by installing a time-wasting tollbooth at the end, and nobody wanted it to connect directly to I-81 and US Route 11 for fear of missing Scranton by a mile.

Or something else? I'm not an expert in this area.
I-476 was indeed planned to extend north, all the way to NY along what is now I-81.  Thus, "exit" 131 was originally intended to, in fact, be a true exit (with US 6/11).  The connection to I-81 was grafted on later.  There are plans to fix this as part of the "Scranton Beltway" idea.  Could take a while to get done though.

I-476 and I-81 in Scranton strikes me as an elegant exercise in bureaucracy with all the tangled complexity of my vas deferens.

For sure, there's topography to get around; yet it seems like either a planned extension of I-476 just never occurred, somebody didn't want to give up the sweet lucre by installing a time-wasting tollbooth at the end, and nobody wanted it to connect directly to I-81 and US Route 11 for fear of missing Scranton by a mile.

Or something else? I'm not an expert in this area.

we have a winner!  that has to be the worst design i've ever seen, but i'm sure someone will mention another pennsylvania highway will be worse.
Breezewood?
Logged
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

Tonytone

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 30
  • Age: 18
  • Location: Delaware
  • Last Login: Today at 04:10:21 AM
Re: Clusterfucked interchanges
« Reply #54 on: April 21, 2017, 12:54:25 PM »

I-95 interchange with I-295. It goes from 5-6 lanes to 2 lanes, currently they are rebuilding i-295 but the traffic still backs up to the Christina mall which if some of you are familiar is by the U.S 1 I-95 Interchange!!! :colorful:
Logged
I do it, Because I can.

1

  • *
  • Online Online

  • Posts: 3274
  • Yes, my signature has non-ASCII characters.

  • Age: 18
  • Location: MA/NH border 🍰🍰
  • Last Login: Today at 11:43:00 AM
Re: Clusterfucked interchanges
« Reply #55 on: April 21, 2017, 12:58:11 PM »

I-95 interchange with I-295. It goes from 5-6 lanes to 2 lanes, currently they are rebuilding i-295 but the traffic still backs up to the Christina mall which if some of you are familiar is by the U.S 1 I-95 Interchange!!! :colorful:

I-95 has many interchanges with I-295...
Logged
Clinched:
I-88(NY), I-290(MA), I-291(MA)
MA 125, 129A, 150, 213, 228
NY 96B, 495
NJ 90, 495
NH 97, 150

Interstates traveled: 7⒌8⒈8⒋8⒌8⒎88NY.8⒐90.9⒈9⒊9⒌27⒏28⒌290MA.291MA.29⒊39⒊395DC.395MA/CT.495MA.676

US traveled: ①⓵BYP③④⑤⑥⑪⑬⑲⑳㉓㉗㉙㉚㊶㊿7⒏80.20⒉27⒏30⒈441

Tonytone

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 30
  • Age: 18
  • Location: Delaware
  • Last Login: Today at 04:10:21 AM
Re: Clusterfucked interchanges
« Reply #56 on: April 21, 2017, 01:03:00 PM »

I-95 interchange with I-295. It goes from 5-6 lanes to 2 lanes, currently they are rebuilding i-295 but the traffic still backs up to the Christina mall which if some of you are familiar is by the U.S 1 I-95 Interchange!!! :colorful:

I-95 has many interchanges with I-295...
I-95 thru Delaware or thru Pa and jersey?
Logged
I do it, Because I can.

kphoger

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 5635
  • Location: Wichita, KS
  • Last Login: April 21, 2017, 06:27:57 PM
Re: Clusterfucked interchanges
« Reply #57 on: April 21, 2017, 01:18:03 PM »

His location says "Delaware," so I assume the Wilmington area.
Logged
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.

Tonytone

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 30
  • Age: 18
  • Location: Delaware
  • Last Login: Today at 04:10:21 AM
Re: Clusterfucked interchanges
« Reply #58 on: April 21, 2017, 01:21:25 PM »

His location says "Delaware," so I assume the Wilmington area.
Yes I am thank you kp. I wish they would realize that lack of transportation in delaware is the reason it isnt growing as fast. Maybe the new 301 highway will change things.
Logged
I do it, Because I can.

D-Dey65

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 1394
  • Age: 51
  • Last Login: Today at 12:16:58 AM
Re: Clusterfucked interchanges
« Reply #59 on: April 21, 2017, 01:37:57 PM »

Washington's official cluster fuck is the 167/18 interchange...



Actually, that doesn't look so bad. It sure beats Southern State Parkway at Meadowbrook Parkway and Meadowbrook Road.

Logged

Tonytone

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 30
  • Age: 18
  • Location: Delaware
  • Last Login: Today at 04:10:21 AM
Re: Clusterfucked interchanges
« Reply #60 on: April 21, 2017, 01:45:19 PM »

Logged
I do it, Because I can.

kkt

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 3217
  • Location: Seattle, Washington
  • Last Login: Today at 02:23:15 AM
Re: Clusterfucked interchanges
« Reply #61 on: April 21, 2017, 02:16:35 PM »

Breezewood?

In order to be a clusterfucked interchange, it first must be an interchange.   :D
Logged

jakeroot

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 4977
  • Age: 21
  • Location: BC / Tacoma, Wash
  • Last Login: Today at 04:53:20 AM
Re: Clusterfucked interchanges
« Reply #62 on: April 21, 2017, 02:29:10 PM »

Washington's official cluster fuck is the 167/18 interchange...

http://i.imgur.com/2xMnRpH.png

Actually, that doesn't look so bad. It sure beats Southern State Parkway at Meadowbrook Parkway and Meadowbrook Road.

It's not as bad as some of the junctions out east, for sure. I think of it as a clusterfuck because it takes up a massive amount of land (relative to other interchanges around here), yet there are several busy movements that are not provided for. The movements that are provided for are low-capacity.
Logged

PHLBOS

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 4561
  • Age: 51
  • Location: Greater Philly, PA
  • Last Login: April 21, 2017, 06:11:51 PM
Re: Clusterfucked interchanges
« Reply #63 on: April 21, 2017, 02:31:21 PM »

I-95 interchange with I-295. It goes from 5-6 lanes to 2 lanes, currently they are rebuilding i-295 but the traffic still backs up to the Christina mall which if some of you are familiar is by the U.S 1 I-95 Interchange!!! :colorful:

I-95 has many interchanges with I-295...
His location says "Delaware," so I assume the Wilmington area.
I have to wonder if Tonytone's US 1 reference, as opposed to the correct DE 1, was what threw 1 off; especially since the current I-95/295 handoff in NJ is at the US 1 interchange.
Logged
GPS does NOT equal GOD

Rothman

  • *
  • *
  • Online Online

  • Posts: 2590
  • Last Login: Today at 11:34:29 AM
Re: Clusterfucked interchanges
« Reply #64 on: April 21, 2017, 02:35:50 PM »

His location says "Delaware," so I assume the Wilmington area.
Yes I am thank you kp. I wish they would realize that lack of transportation in delaware is the reason it isnt growing as fast. Maybe the new 301 highway will change things.
I don't know about that.  I think the bigger issue is lack of population and no attractions for increased move-ins in the Slower Lower.  Building larger roads will not fix those conditions.

It just isn't on the way to anywhere.

See: Binghamton, NY or Duluth, MN...
Logged
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

kphoger

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 5635
  • Location: Wichita, KS
  • Last Login: April 21, 2017, 06:27:57 PM
Re: Clusterfucked interchanges
« Reply #65 on: April 21, 2017, 03:11:36 PM »

I-95 interchange with I-295. It goes from 5-6 lanes to 2 lanes, currently they are rebuilding i-295 but the traffic still backs up to the Christina mall which if some of you are familiar is by the U.S 1 I-95 Interchange!!! :colorful:

I-95 has many interchanges with I-295...
His location says "Delaware," so I assume the Wilmington area.
I have to wonder if Tonytone's US 1 reference, as opposed to the correct DE 1, was what threw 1 off; especially since the current I-95/295 handoff in NJ is at the US 1 interchange.

Oh yeah, for sure.  I didn't catch that.  US-1 is miles away from the interchange in question.
Logged
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.

Tonytone

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 30
  • Age: 18
  • Location: Delaware
  • Last Login: Today at 04:10:21 AM
Re: Clusterfucked interchanges
« Reply #66 on: April 21, 2017, 03:18:49 PM »

I-95 interchange with I-295. It goes from 5-6 lanes to 2 lanes, currently they are rebuilding i-295 but the traffic still backs up to the Christina mall which if some of you are familiar is by the U.S 1 I-95 Interchange!!! :colorful:

I-95 has many interchanges with I-295...
His location says "Delaware," so I assume the Wilmington area.
I have to wonder if Tonytone's US 1 reference, as opposed to the correct DE 1, was what threw 1 off; especially since the current I-95/295 handoff in NJ is at the US 1 interchange.
How did it throw it off if it was the first portion that was built?
Oh yeah, for sure.  I didn't catch that.  US-1 is miles away from the interchange in question.
U.S-1 By the mall is the first portion of the "US-1 Highway system" It was built in 93 and from the mall past to the toll after the bridge is a problem area.
Logged
I do it, Because I can.

kphoger

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 5635
  • Location: Wichita, KS
  • Last Login: April 21, 2017, 06:27:57 PM
Re: Clusterfucked interchanges
« Reply #67 on: April 21, 2017, 03:25:27 PM »

I-95 interchange with I-295. It goes from 5-6 lanes to 2 lanes, currently they are rebuilding i-295 but the traffic still backs up to the Christina mall which if some of you are familiar is by the U.S 1 I-95 Interchange!!! :colorful:

I-95 has many interchanges with I-295...
His location says "Delaware," so I assume the Wilmington area.
I have to wonder if Tonytone's US 1 reference, as opposed to the correct DE 1, was what threw 1 off; especially since the current I-95/295 handoff in NJ is at the US 1 interchange.
How did it throw it off if it was the first portion that was built?
Oh yeah, for sure.  I didn't catch that.  US-1 is miles away from the interchange in question.
U.S-1 By the mall is the first portion of the "US-1 Highway system" It was built in 93 and from the mall past to the toll after the bridge is a problem area.

Wait, what?  Christina Mall is near the interchange of Interstate 95 and Delaware State Route 1.  US-1 doesn't even enter the state of Delaware at all.
Logged
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.

Tonytone

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 30
  • Age: 18
  • Location: Delaware
  • Last Login: Today at 04:10:21 AM
Re: Clusterfucked interchanges
« Reply #68 on: April 21, 2017, 03:29:10 PM »

His location says "Delaware," so I assume the Wilmington area.
Yes I am thank you kp. I wish they would realize that lack of transportation in delaware is the reason it isnt growing as fast. Maybe the new 301 highway will change things.
I don't know about that.  I think the bigger issue is lack of population and no attractions for increased move-ins in the Slower Lower.  Building larger roads will not fix those conditions.

It just isn't on the way to anywhere.

See: Binghamton, NY or Duluth, MN...
I believe a major roadway connecting to another major roadway causes development around the area. Its is even said because of a "lack" of Thru roadways in the area there is not that much people and development in that area of Middletown and up. Also new communities and stores are being planned around that area of highway. I-95 connects to the 1 and 301 is gonna complete that connection around 95 to the north. I wouldn't be surprised if people driving thru the area where the highway is located find interest in moving to delaware.
Logged
I do it, Because I can.

Tonytone

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 30
  • Age: 18
  • Location: Delaware
  • Last Login: Today at 04:10:21 AM
Re: Clusterfucked interchanges
« Reply #69 on: April 21, 2017, 03:30:56 PM »

I-95 interchange with I-295. It goes from 5-6 lanes to 2 lanes, currently they are rebuilding i-295 but the traffic still backs up to the Christina mall which if some of you are familiar is by the U.S 1 I-95 Interchange!!! :colorful:

I-95 has many interchanges with I-295...
His location says "Delaware," so I assume the Wilmington area.
I have to wonder if Tonytone's US 1 reference, as opposed to the correct DE 1, was what threw 1 off; especially since the current I-95/295 handoff in NJ is at the US 1 interchange.
How did it throw it off if it was the first portion that was built?
Oh yeah, for sure.  I didn't catch that.  US-1 is miles away from the interchange in question.
U.S-1 By the mall is the first portion of the "US-1 Highway system" It was built in 93 and from the mall past to the toll after the bridge is a problem area.

Wait, what?  Christina Mall is near the interchange of Interstate 95 and Delaware State Route 1.  US-1 doesn't even enter the state of Delaware at all.
Thats the problem when I say U.S 1 I mean Delaware route 1. it's all the same thing lol.
Logged
I do it, Because I can.

kkt

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 3217
  • Location: Seattle, Washington
  • Last Login: Today at 02:23:15 AM
Re: Clusterfucked interchanges
« Reply #70 on: April 21, 2017, 03:39:35 PM »

Washington's official cluster fuck is the 167/18 interchange...

http://i.imgur.com/2xMnRpH.png

Actually, that doesn't look so bad. It sure beats Southern State Parkway at Meadowbrook Parkway and Meadowbrook Road.

It's not as bad as some of the junctions out east, for sure. I think of it as a clusterfuck because it takes up a massive amount of land (relative to other interchanges around here), yet there are several busy movements that are not provided for. The movements that are provided for are low-capacity.

Yes, it shows its age.  What, they Kent valley isn't all farmland anymore?  The interchange was built on the cheap to allow some movements directly, but others through the existing interchange with the West Valley Highway...
Logged

PHLBOS

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 4561
  • Age: 51
  • Location: Greater Philly, PA
  • Last Login: April 21, 2017, 06:11:51 PM
Re: Clusterfucked interchanges
« Reply #71 on: April 21, 2017, 04:21:54 PM »

Wait, what?  Christina Mall is near the interchange of Interstate 95 and Delaware State Route 1.  US-1 doesn't even enter the state of Delaware at all.
Thats the problem when I say U.S 1 I mean Delaware route 1. it's all the same thing lol.
This is one case where it's might've been better just to say Route XX rather than US XX or SR XX.  It's what most people refer to routes in the Northeast/Mid-Atlantic regions anyway.

Nonetheless, I agree w/Kphoger that US 1 and DE 1 are not the same road/thing.
Logged
GPS does NOT equal GOD

Tonytone

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 30
  • Age: 18
  • Location: Delaware
  • Last Login: Today at 04:10:21 AM
Re: Clusterfucked interchanges
« Reply #72 on: April 21, 2017, 05:05:10 PM »

I got it now thanks. But the chance for SR1 & US1 to connect is still possible.


iPhone
Logged
I do it, Because I can.

PHLBOS

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 4561
  • Age: 51
  • Location: Greater Philly, PA
  • Last Login: April 21, 2017, 06:11:51 PM
Re: Clusterfucked interchanges
« Reply #73 on: April 21, 2017, 06:00:25 PM »

But the chance for SR1 & US1 to connect is still possible.
We'd sooner see DE 1 become the real I-99 (in terms of the grid) than it being extended to US 1.
Logged
GPS does NOT equal GOD

Tonytone

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 30
  • Age: 18
  • Location: Delaware
  • Last Login: Today at 04:10:21 AM
Re: Clusterfucked interchanges
« Reply #74 on: April 21, 2017, 06:02:46 PM »

But the chance for SR1 & US1 to connect is still possible.
We'd sooner see DE 1 become the real I-99 (in terms of the grid) than it being extended to US 1.
Yea, i think de 1 has some problems to fix before it can even become I-99


iPhone
Logged
I do it, Because I can.

 


Opinions expressed here on belong solely to the poster and do not represent or reflect the opinions or beliefs of AARoads, its creators and/or associates.