NC is requesting I-36 for US 70 East Corridor and I-89 for RDU to Norfolk corr

[CanesFan27]

http://route.transportation.org/Documents/2016%20SM%20Des%20Moines%2c%20IA/Agenda%20and%20List%20of%20Applications%20SM-2016.pdf

[vdeane]

Doesn't NC know that I-89 is already taken?  Please, for the love of God, no more duplicate 2dis!  I-69 (will likely never connect between TN and LA), I-74 (will never connect through OH and WV, guaranteed), I-76, I-84, I-86, and I-88 are bad enough.

[jwolfer]

http://route.transportation.org/Documents/2016%20SM%20Des%20Moines%2c%20IA/Agenda%20and%20List%20of%20Applications%20SM-2016.pdf

I think the Raleigh to Norfolk corridor is more EW and 42 is more appropriate. The only way I could see NS is if it were combined with an interstate thru Delmarva.

Furthermore there are plenty of even numbers available

[CanesFan27]

Doesn't NC know that I-89 is already taken?  Please, for the love of God, no more duplicate 2dis!  I-69 (will likely never connect between TN and LA), I-74 (will never connect through OH and WV, guaranteed), I-76, I-84, I-86, and I-88 are bad enough.

Yes they do in the text of their I-89 request they write specifically to that.

http://route.transportation.org/Documents/2016%20SM%20Des%20Moines%2c%20IA/Interstate_Routes_Binder.pdf

[wdcrft63]

http://route.transportation.org/Documents/2016%20SM%20Des%20Moines%2c%20IA/Agenda%20and%20List%20of%20Applications%20SM-2016.pdf

Why 36, for Pete's sake? US 70 is north of I-40 and all the even numbers between 40 and 60 (except 44) are available. AASHTO should change this number.

[codyg1985]

It seems like the Raleigh-Durham to Norfolk corridor would be as well served with an east-west number, of which there are more choices.

[CanesFan27]

http://route.transportation.org/Documents/2016%20SM%20Des%20Moines%2c%20IA/Agenda%20and%20List%20of%20Applications%20SM-2016.pdf

Why 36, for Pete's sake? US 70 is north of I-40 and all the even numbers between 40 and 60 (except 44) are available. AASHTO should change this number.

And they could - if so desired. They could also decide that 89 is more east/west and ask for that to change.

Keep in mind this is to reserve a number - This could be a year long drama of proposals to be honest.  I think once the state gets a number reserved and approved - they will then ask for designations on standardized sections that connect to the system.

I would also expect 495 to disappear at some point as well.

[msubulldog]

I would recommend 52, 54, 56, or 58--as there are no even-numbered interstates anywhere. I excluded 50 as it is not going to resemble a cross-country interstate.

[Jmiles32]

My Gawd NC literally couldn't of chose two worse numbers. First off the US. Route 70 corridor is north of I-40 so wtf does NC choose I-36? Should be I-42. But I can let that slide compared to them picking freaking I-89 for the Raleigh-Norfolk Corridor. The route is east/west not north/south, I-89 already exists, and is east of I-95! Please AASHTO have some sense and change these

[74/171FAN]

Remember that the originally discussed I-50 for the US 70 corridor may have been considered in the end a conflict with NC 50 as I (and Froggie I believe) had stated before.  There is also NC 42, which travels through Clayton (and has an interchange with US 70 in that area).

[wdcrft63]

Remember that the originally discussed I-50 for the US 70 corridor may have been considered in the end a conflict with NC 50 as I (and Froggie I believe) had stated before.  There is also NC 42, which travels through Clayton (and has an interchange with US 70 in that area).

There is no NC 36, so that may be why I-36 was requested.

[WashuOtaku]

I like how NCDOT took everyone's suggestion and totally threw it in the trash.  Unless they read my proposed fictional I-36 routing from I-26, via US 74, to Rockingham then US 1 to Raleigh, they should have stayed above 40.    Also think I-89 was a poor choice.

[froggie]

Personally, I think 44 would have made more sense for the US 70 corridor, given that it's A) north of I-40, and B) the completed part of the Goldsboro bypass is signed as NC 44.  Despite vdeane's rant, the precedent for separate segments with the same number is there and there is considerable distance between this and the existing I-44 in the central US.

I always saw I-36 as a better fit for the US 74 corridor between I-26 and Wilmington.

89 makes basically no sense between Raleigh and Norfolk.  The corridor is very much an east west corridor...128 miles worth east-west versus 75 miles north-south.  Nevermind that I think an Interstate is unnecessary east of Rocky Mount to begin with, this should be an east-west corridor.

[mvak36]

I guess I'm slightly ok with the 36 designation since 40 goes basically south after Raleigh.

I don't know what the hell they were smoking when the requesting I-89. Unless there are people who are on this forum that work for them

If I-89 does get selected, maybe they should consider extending it down US 1 to Rockingham. Might as well at this point.

[kkt]

Is NC allergic to 3dis?

[tckma]

89 as a number makes no sense.  Looking at the map in NC's application for the number, it seems that's primarily an east-west route, necessitating an even number > 40 and < 64.  42 or 46 would probably be most ideal for that route.

89 only makes sense if they plan to extend it up the DelMarVa peninsula via US-13.  As long as they're doing that, might as well connect it to existing I-89 via a bridge replacing the Cape May/Lewes Ferry, the Garden State Parkway, I-287, NJ/NY-440, I-495, a bridge over the Long Island Sound, replace existing I-395/I-290/I-190 in CT and MA, and, well, new highway between Leominster MA and Concord NH.

Similarly ludicrous, no?  At least then it's a north-south route, primarily...

[CanesFan27]

Is NC allergic to 3dis?

No, over the last 15 years our doctor prescribed I-285, 295, 840, 140, 795 and 274 and said we should be fine. He recently gave us a new drug 885 and might give us 426 to help with our allergies.

[CanesFan27]

I guess I'm slightly ok with the 36 designation since 40 goes basically south after Raleigh.

I don't know what the hell they were smoking when the requesting I-89. Unless there are people who are on this forum that work for them

If I-89 does get selected, maybe they should consider extending it down US 1 to Rockingham. Might as well at this point.

CAMPO - the Local planning outfit - did float 89 as a possible number instead of 44.

[mvak36]

I guess I'm slightly ok with the 36 designation since 40 goes basically south after Raleigh.

I don't know what the hell they were smoking when the requesting I-89. Unless there are people who are on this forum that work for them

If I-89 does get selected, maybe they should consider extending it down US 1 to Rockingham. Might as well at this point.

CAMPO - the Local planning outfit - did float 89 as a possible number instead of 44.

Fair enough. I apologize for overreacting

[Jmiles32]

Is NC allergic to 3dis?

No, over the last 15 years our doctor prescribed I-285, 295, 840, 140, 795 and 274 and said we should be fine. He recently gave us a new drug 885 and might give us 426 to help with our allergies.

Don't forget I-785! Also for the record none these have yet to be fully completed.

Fixed quote. - rmf67

[bob7374]

I guess I'm slightly ok with the 36 designation since 40 goes basically south after Raleigh.

I don't know what the hell they were smoking when the requesting I-89. Unless there are people who are on this forum that work for them

If I-89 does get selected, maybe they should consider extending it down US 1 to Rockingham. Might as well at this point.

CAMPO - the Local planning outfit - did float 89 as a possible number instead of 44.

Fair enough. I apologize for overreacting

Don't like the numbers either, unless they use them in for an idea I thought of. Use I-40 for the Raleigh-Norfolk Corridor, then I-36 fits using the US 70 corridor, and since current I-40 runs north-south from Raleigh to Wilmington, renumber it to a N-S 2di, such as I-89.

I hope though, like many other NCDOT I-route requests to AASHTO, that these applications will not be accepted and NCDOT will be told to go back and try again.

[CanesFan27]

Remember that the originally discussed I-50 for the US 70 corridor may have been considered in the end a conflict with NC 50 as I (and Froggie I believe) had stated before.  There is also NC 42, which travels through Clayton (and has an interchange with US 70 in that area).

The state hasn't changed NC 73 , yet. Though I agree, and do think 42 and 50 was on their minds when they requested 36. The proximity of NC 48 and 46 may have influenced their choice of I-89.

[CanesFan27]

I guess I'm slightly ok with the 36 designation since 40 goes basically south after Raleigh.

I don't know what the hell they were smoking when the requesting I-89. Unless there are people who are on this forum that work for them

If I-89 does get selected, maybe they should consider extending it down US 1 to Rockingham. Might as well at this point.

CAMPO - the Local planning outfit - did float 89 as a possible number instead of 44.

Fair enough. I apologize for overreacting

Don't like the numbers either, unless they use them in for an idea I thought of. Use I-40 for the Raleigh-Norfolk Corridor, then I-36 fits using the US 70 corridor, and since current I-40 runs north-south from Raleigh to Wilmington, renumber it to a N-S 2di, such as I-89.

I hope though, like many other NCDOT I-route requests to AASHTO, that these applications will not be accepted and NCDOT will be told to go back and try again.

Numbers criss-cross all the time. And even in our state - 77/85 for example. 36/40 is not a big deal.

[vdeane]

I doubt proximity to existing routes is a factor in what numbers NCDOT wants; otherwise, there would be no I-74 debacle (heck, it even overlaps with US 74 at least once!).  More likely, either someone there really hates roadgeeks, or FritzOwl is their governor.

In any case, the interstates are the supreme system, so if the care to avoid duplication, they should renumber the NC route.

[kkt]

Is NC allergic to 3dis?

No, over the last 15 years our doctor prescribed I-285, 295, 840, 140, 795 and 274 and said we should be fine. He recently gave us a new drug 885 and might give us 426 to help with our allergies.

Fair enough, thank you.
I still think these are too short for 2dis.