least important east to west interstate ending in zero that is not I-30?

Started by Roadgeekteen, June 02, 2017, 02:16:23 PM

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Roadgeekteen

Quote from: roadguy2 on June 11, 2017, 11:37:22 PM
I would say, in order of importance:

I-80
I-40
I-10
I-70
I-90
I-20
I-30
I-40 should not be above I-90.
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hotdogPi

Clinched, minus I-93 (I'm missing a few miles and my file is incorrect)

Traveled, plus US 13, 44, and 50, and several state routes

I will be in Burlington VT for the eclipse.

JJBers

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 11, 2017, 11:39:40 PM
Quote from: roadguy2 on June 11, 2017, 11:37:22 PM
I would say, in order of importance:

I-80
I-40
I-10
I-70
I-90
I-20
I-30
I-40 should not be above I-90.
Agreed, I-90 is more important in this case. I mean just the Mass Pike alone is more important than I-40.
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Quote from: JJBers on June 12, 2017, 11:45:31 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 11, 2017, 11:39:40 PM
Quote from: roadguy2 on June 11, 2017, 11:37:22 PM
I would say, in order of importance:

I-80
I-40
I-10
I-70
I-90
I-20
I-30
I-40 should not be above I-90.
Agreed, I-90 is more important in this case. I mean just the Mass Pike alone is more important than I-40.

If the Mass Pike alone is more important than I-40, then I-40 would be at the bottom of the list, even below I-30. Obviously, this isn't the case.
Clinched, minus I-93 (I'm missing a few miles and my file is incorrect)

Traveled, plus US 13, 44, and 50, and several state routes

I will be in Burlington VT for the eclipse.

jp the roadgeek

Quote from: 1 on June 12, 2017, 12:24:33 PM
Quote from: JJBers on June 12, 2017, 11:45:31 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 11, 2017, 11:39:40 PM
Quote from: roadguy2 on June 11, 2017, 11:37:22 PM
I would say, in order of importance:

I-80
I-40
I-10
I-70
I-90
I-20
I-30
I-40 should not be above I-90.
Agreed, I-90 is more important in this case. I mean just the Mass Pike alone is more important than I-40.

If the Mass Pike alone is more important than I-40, then I-40 would be at the bottom of the list, even below I-30. Obviously, this isn't the case.

The Mass Pike and the New York Thruway give I-90 its importance.  Take those two pieces away and it may battle I-30 for least important.  You can make a case for the Indiana Toll Road and Ohio Turnpike, but the fact it's duplexed with I-80 diminishes it somewhat.  West of Chicago, I-90 is a lot less significant.  I would put I-10 and I-70 ahead of I-40 though.
Interstates I've clinched: 97, 290 (MA), 291 (CT), 291 (MA), 293, 295 (DE-NJ-PA), 295 (RI-MA), 384, 391, 395 (CT-MA), 395 (MD), 495 (DE), 610 (LA), 684, 691, 695 (MD), 695 (NY), 795 (MD)

Roadgeekteen

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Road Hog

I-40 is a massive truck transportation route across the country from California to the East Coast. In places it's bumper-to-bumper with trucks at all hours. If the New Madrid lets go and takes out the bridge at Memphis, commerce is in a world of hurt. I-40 is extremely important.

US 89

Quote from: Road Hog on June 12, 2017, 09:08:13 PM
I-40 is a massive truck transportation route across the country from California to the East Coast. In places it's bumper-to-bumper with trucks at all hours. If the New Madrid lets go and takes out the bridge at Memphis, commerce is in a world of hurt. I-40 is extremely important.

I can't find a source right now, but IIRC I-40 is the busiest trucking corridor in the country.

ilpt4u

Quote from: roadguy2 on June 12, 2017, 10:17:32 PM
I can't find a source right now, but IIRC I-40 is the busiest trucking corridor in the country.
Really? I don't have any data to check that, but I would have guessed I-95 and I-75 and I-5 for N-S, and I-70 and I-80 for E-W, and possibly I-10, due to the nearby Gulf Ports

Any time I've driven I-70 or I-80, its like a Concrete/Asphalt Railroad of Semis

briantroutman

The #1 and #2 busiest ports in the U.S. are the Port of Los Angeles and the Port of Long Beach–both in southern California. Combined, they process nearly three times the volume of the #3 port, the Port Authority of NY/NJ. A considerable volume of the "Made in China"  consumer goods people across the country buy make their way eastward from southern California ports via I-40.

The only Gulf port that shows up in the top 10 is Houston (#8), and much of its volume is related to the petrochemical industry.

ilpt4u

Quote from: briantroutman on June 12, 2017, 11:00:52 PM
The #1 and #2 busiest ports in the U.S. are the Port of Los Angeles and the Port of Long Beach–both in southern California. Combined, they process nearly three times the volume of the #3 port, the Port Authority of NY/NJ. A considerable volume of the "Made in China"  consumer goods people across the country buy make their way eastward from southern California ports via I-40.

The only Gulf port that shows up in the top 10 is Houston (#8), and much of its volume is related to the petrochemical industry.
Makes sense. Probably especially the "US 66" portions of I-40, that represent the LA-Chicago route? In addition to going further East and up the Eastern Seaboard

Tho wouldn't I-15/I-70 get some of that Eastbound traffic out of Southern Cali? Or is the distance/time to reach the Upper Midwest and Northeast US that much higher, using the I-15/I-70(/possibly up to I-80 east of Denver) route? Google Maps estimates 27 Hours, for LA to STL, using either I-40/I-44 or I-15/I-70, and I-40/I-44 is only listed as 39 miles shorter -- but the I-40 route does hit fewer population centers, at a quick glance anyway. Albuquerque and Oklahoma City vs Las Vegas, Denver, and Kansas City

It'd be interesting to see the Traffic Counts, and especially Truck Traffic Counts, on the Transcontinental Interstates

US 89

Quote from: ilpt4u on June 12, 2017, 10:43:58 PM
Quote from: roadguy2 on June 12, 2017, 10:17:32 PM
I can't find a source right now, but IIRC I-40 is the busiest trucking corridor in the country.
Really? I don't have any data to check that, but I would have guessed I-95 and I-75 and I-5 for N-S, and I-70 and I-80 for E-W, and possibly I-10, due to the nearby Gulf Ports

Any time I've driven I-70 or I-80, its like a Concrete/Asphalt Railroad of Semis

To clarify: I think it might have been the busiest east-west trucking corridor.

But I do agree with your observations about I-80, especially in WY. I believe more than half of the traffic on that road is trucks.

silverback1065

how does the truck traffic on the borman (80/94) compare with the country?  is it top 10?

hbelkins

To my great surprise, I learned that I-65 in Kentucky carries more truck traffic than I-75.

As for the I-40 vs. I-90 debate, I-40 hands-down because of its role in the LA to NY trucking corridor. 15-40-81-78 Why do you think everyone complains about truck traffic on 81 in Virginia but you don't hear anything about truck traffic north of Harrisburg?


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ilpt4u

Quote from: hbelkins on June 13, 2017, 10:33:44 PM
To my great surprise, I learned that I-65 in Kentucky carries more truck traffic than I-75.

As for the I-40 vs. I-90 debate, I-40 hands-down because of its role in the LA to NY trucking corridor. 15-40-81-78 Why do you think everyone complains about truck traffic on 81 in Virginia but you don't hear anything about truck traffic north of Harrisburg?
Interesting on I-65 vs I-75 for Truck Traffic, at least in KY. But since KY is pretty central to the N-S routes, probably a good sampling point

15-40-81-78>?15-40-44-70-78?, or even 15-70-78?, or perhaps 15-70-76-80?

Google Maps picked 15-70-76-80 by time, but 15-40-44-70-78 by mileage (very close on both; 40 vs 41 hours, and 2789 vs 2777 miles, respectively). 15-70-78 comes in at 41 hours/2808 miles

Google didn't even show me 15-40-81-78. Do truckers prefer it as a Shunpike route? When I "dragged" one of the routes, 15-40-81-78 clocks in at 43 hours/2892 miles

Perhaps better suited for the Fictional board, but how about co-signing Interstate 100 or Interstate 00 for the most direct NYC-LA Interstate route?

doorknob60

I-70 goes through very high elevation mountain passes (which means trucks would climb the hills slowly) in Colorado, and frequently gets a lot of snow in the winter. I-40 is farther south, and stays at a much lower elevation and is a more gentle road much less likely to encounter weather related issues.

In a passenger car in the summer it might be about the same, but for trucks I-40 is the easy choice.

ilpt4u

The 15-40-44-70-78 route still uses I-40/44 (US 66) to reach the Midwest, and is shorter than the 15-40-81-78 route.

Granted, I-70 has the miserable section around WV and Eastern PA...

I haven't driven on I-40, 81, or 78, so no data on those

briantroutman

Quote from: ilpt4u on June 14, 2017, 07:06:12 PM
The 15-40-44-70-78 router still uses I-40/44 (US 66) to reach the Midwest, and is shorter than the 15-40-81-78 route.

Granted, I-70 has the miserable section around WV and Eastern PA...

I haven't driven on I-40, 81, or 78, so no data on those

One major point against 44-70 (and in favor of 40-81) is the presence of tolls on I-44 in Oklahoma and on I-70/76 in Pennsylvania. I was surprised to find out how toll-averse some major trucking companies are. I know the truck toll rates are very expensive, but I would have thought that the savings of time, mileage, labor, and fuel costs would justify using shorter toll routes.

But apparently not: I know someone who drove for a major interstate freight carrier based in Iowa, and the company would regularly route him on various rural two-laners just to avoid the Kansas and Oklahoma turnpikes. Though you will find lots of trucks on the toll roads from Illinois through Pennsylvania and on into the Northeast, it seems many freight carriers will avoid them unless it's nearly impossible to do so.

Roadgeekteen

Quote from: briantroutman on June 14, 2017, 11:04:17 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on June 14, 2017, 07:06:12 PM
The 15-40-44-70-78 router still uses I-40/44 (US 66) to reach the Midwest, and is shorter than the 15-40-81-78 route.

Granted, I-70 has the miserable section around WV and Eastern PA...

I haven't driven on I-40, 81, or 78, so no data on those

One major point against 44-70 (and in favor of 40-81) is the presence of tolls on I-44 in Oklahoma and on I-70/76 in Pennsylvania. I was surprised to find out how toll-averse some major trucking companies are. I know the truck toll rates are very expensive, but I would have thought that the savings of time, mileage, labor, and fuel costs would justify using shorter toll routes.

But apparently not: I know someone who drove for a major interstate freight carrier based in Iowa, and the company would regularly route him on various rural two-laners just to avoid the Kansas and Oklahoma turnpikes. Though you will find lots of trucks on the toll roads from Illinois through Pennsylvania and on into the Northeast, it seems many freight carriers will avoid them unless it's nearly impossible to do so.
I mean, the roads could take a toll on their bank account.
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ilpt4u

So Shunpiking is an element here, too. Not too surprising

If it is really due to Tolls forcing Truckers to take a longer route by 100-150 miles, then perhaps the PA and OK Turnpikes need to rethink their Truck Toll rates...Then again, what is 150 miles on a ~2800 mile trip?

Good old Supply and Demand

As far as KS or OK routing on 2 lane highways, if they are rural and don't go thru too many small towns, its probably not a huge time cost vs using a Limited Access Freeway/Toll Road. The terrain should be pretty open and flat.

PA, might be a bit more adventurous, using local 2 lane roads instead of the PA Turnpike (or I-80 further north)

Trucking companies are allowed to pick their preferred routes on whatever criteria they choose. So be it.

On another note, I had never really considered the travel time from LA to NYC by drive time...Interesting that its just a smidge beyond 40 hours for the trip...Its a work week crossing the country on the Interstates between the USA's two largest cities

Pink Jazz


I-40 might have more truck traffic, but I-10, I-80, and I-90 probably have higher AADT overall since they go through much larger cities.


Also, length doesn't equate to higher importance.  For the I-x5 Interstates, I-85 is one of the shortest, but is a very important and busy corridor for southern United States, making it probably more important than longer I-x5s such as I-15 or I-25 which mostly serve smaller cities.

US 89

Quote from: Pink Jazz on June 15, 2017, 01:46:37 AM

I-40 might have more truck traffic, but I-10, I-80, and I-90 probably have higher AADT overall since they go through much larger cities.


Also, length doesn't equate to higher importance.  For the I-x5 Interstates, I-85 is one of the shortest, but is a very important and busy corridor for southern United States, making it probably more important than longer I-x5s such as I-15 or I-25 which mostly serve smaller cities.

You would call San Diego, Denver, Vegas, SLC, the Inland Empire, and Albuquerque small?

I would say that those western interstates are probably more important, since they are the only major roads for hundreds of miles.

hotdogPi

Quote from: roadguy2 on June 15, 2017, 10:45:16 AM
Quote from: Pink Jazz on June 15, 2017, 01:46:37 AM

I-40 might have more truck traffic, but I-10, I-80, and I-90 probably have higher AADT overall since they go through much larger cities.


Also, length doesn't equate to higher importance.  For the I-x5 Interstates, I-85 is one of the shortest, but is a very important and busy corridor for southern United States, making it probably more important than longer I-x5s such as I-15 or I-25 which mostly serve smaller cities.

You would call San Diego, Denver, Vegas, SLC, the Inland Empire, and Albuquerque small?

I would say that those western interstates are probably more important, since they are the only major roads for hundreds of miles.

You have a point about I-15. However, I-25 doesn't seem that important. Its major cities are Denver, Colorado Springs, Albuquerque, and (using corridor, but not on I-25 itself) El Paso, with many empty areas in between. You generally wouldn't use I-25 for any significant distance on a trip where both endpoints are nowhere near the I-25 corridor, unlike I-85, where I-95 to I-85 is reasonable for many trips from the Northeast to the Southeast.
Clinched, minus I-93 (I'm missing a few miles and my file is incorrect)

Traveled, plus US 13, 44, and 50, and several state routes

I will be in Burlington VT for the eclipse.

Roadgeekteen

Quote from: 1 on June 15, 2017, 10:56:15 AM
Quote from: roadguy2 on June 15, 2017, 10:45:16 AM
Quote from: Pink Jazz on June 15, 2017, 01:46:37 AM

I-40 might have more truck traffic, but I-10, I-80, and I-90 probably have higher AADT overall since they go through much larger cities.


Also, length doesn't equate to higher importance.  For the I-x5 Interstates, I-85 is one of the shortest, but is a very important and busy corridor for southern United States, making it probably more important than longer I-x5s such as I-15 or I-25 which mostly serve smaller cities.

You would call San Diego, Denver, Vegas, SLC, the Inland Empire, and Albuquerque small?

I would say that those western interstates are probably more important, since they are the only major roads for hundreds of miles.

You have a point about I-15. However, I-25 doesn't seem that important. Its major cities are Denver, Colorado Springs, Albuquerque, and (using corridor, but not on I-25 itself) El Paso, with many empty areas in between. You generally wouldn't use I-25 for any significant distance on a trip where both endpoints are nowhere near the I-25 corridor, unlike I-85, where I-95 to I-85 is reasonable for many trips from the Northeast to the Southeast.
Colorado front range traffic uses I-25.
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