News:

Thanks to everyone for the feedback on what errors you encountered from the forum database changes made in Fall 2023. Let us know if you discover anymore.

Main Menu

Next AASHTO meeting

Started by rschen7754, May 09, 2017, 02:19:39 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

Revive 755

Quote from: oscar on June 01, 2017, 06:23:42 PM
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on June 01, 2017, 06:12:39 PM
Anybody have experience writing FOIA requests?

I've been at the receiving end of many. My agency had people really good at denying requests, but a nice informal inquiry often worked better if the stuff they wanted from me was releaseable (usually it wasn't).

Initial question is, who to send it to? AASHTO probably is not covered by the Federal or any state FOIA law, since it isn't part of any government even though most or all its members are government agencies or their representatives. Do you have in mind sending it to FHWA, or to a friendly state agency with access to the AASHTO info you want?

In a somewhat similar vein, there was a case working its way through the courts in Illinois regarding the question of if a statewide high school athletics association was covered under the open records act.  I don't recall all the details nor recall the final verdict (if it has even been reached yet), but if there is a ruling favorable to the general public it might at least start a precedent for those in Illinois to look into a FOIA for AASHTO business.


LM117

“I don’t know whether to wind my ass or scratch my watch!” - Jim Cornette

Rover_0

Fixing erroneous shields, one at a time...

NE2

Arkansas US 62/US 412 relocation (Cotter) - happened in 1989
Arkansas US 62/US 412 relocation (Mountain Home) - happened in 1998
Arkansas US 62B recognition (Cotter) - happened in 1989
Arkansas US 62B recognition (Mountain Home) - happened in 1998
Arkansas US 70 relocation (De Queen) - happened in 1964
Arkansas US 70B recognition (De Queen) - happened in 1964
Arkansas US 70 relocation (Glenwood) - happened in 1961
Arkansas US 70B recognition (Glenwood) - happened in 1962
Florida US 221 relocation (Perry) - replacing signed county maintained truck route north of US 27
Georgia US 129 relocation (Gray)
Illinois US 12/US 45 relocation (Des Plaines)
Illinois US 45 relocation (Lindenhurst)
Nevada US 50 relocation (Carson City)
Nevada US 93 relocation (Boulder City)
Nevada US 93 Bus. recognition (Boulder City)
Nevada US 95 relocation (Boulder City)
Nevada US 395 relocation (Carson City)
New York US 220 deletion
North Carolina Future I-495 deletion
North Carolina I-495 deletion
Pennsylvania USBR 50
Texas US 87 relocation (Big Spring)
Texas US 87 Bus. extension (Big Spring)
Texas US 90 relocation (Beaumont)
Wisconsin US 12 Bus. recognition (Baraboo)

All were approved.
pre-1945 Florida route log

I accept and respect your identity as long as it's not dumb shit like "identifying as a vaccinated attack helicopter".

LM117

“I don’t know whether to wind my ass or scratch my watch!” - Jim Cornette

WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: NE2 on June 09, 2017, 12:28:28 PM
New York US 220 deletion

So US 220 gets truncated by a few feet...
Will Weaver
WillWeaverRVA Photography | Twitter

"But how will the oxen know where to drown if we renumber the Oregon Trail?" - NE2

hbelkins

Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on June 09, 2017, 03:58:28 PM
Quote from: NE2 on June 09, 2017, 12:28:28 PM
New York US 220 deletion

So US 220 gets truncated by a few feet...

So where is it going to end now? At the state line? At NY 17/I-86?


Government would be tolerable if not for politicians and bureaucrats.

WashuOtaku

Quote from: NE2 on June 09, 2017, 12:28:28 PM
Arkansas US 62/US 412 relocation (Cotter) - happened in 1989
Arkansas US 62/US 412 relocation (Mountain Home) - happened in 1998
Arkansas US 62B recognition (Cotter) - happened in 1989
Arkansas US 62B recognition (Mountain Home) - happened in 1998
Arkansas US 70 relocation (De Queen) - happened in 1964
Arkansas US 70B recognition (De Queen) - happened in 1964
Arkansas US 70 relocation (Glenwood) - happened in 1961
Arkansas US 70B recognition (Glenwood) - happened in 1962

Obviously someone at Arkansas DOT took notice that things were not done in the past correctly and finally pushed the paperwork through to make things official.

WillWeaverRVA

#33
Quote from: hbelkins on June 09, 2017, 08:16:03 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on June 09, 2017, 03:58:28 PM
Quote from: NE2 on June 09, 2017, 12:28:28 PM
New York US 220 deletion

So US 220 gets truncated by a few feet...

So where is it going to end now? At the state line? At NY 17/I-86?

If I'm reading it correctly, it looks like it will end at the state line, which doesn't make any sense (it should end at NY 17/I-86). I guess they figure that PennDOT would be maintaining the few feet of road between that interchange and the state line anyway, so the designation doesn't matter Never mind, can't read. They want to truncate it to the interchange.
Will Weaver
WillWeaverRVA Photography | Twitter

"But how will the oxen know where to drown if we renumber the Oregon Trail?" - NE2

rickmastfan67

Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on June 09, 2017, 09:37:11 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 09, 2017, 08:16:03 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on June 09, 2017, 03:58:28 PM
Quote from: NE2 on June 09, 2017, 12:28:28 PM
New York US 220 deletion

So US 220 gets truncated by a few feet...

So where is it going to end now? At the state line? At NY 17/I-86?

If I'm reading it correctly, it looks like it will end at the state line, which doesn't make any sense (it should end at NY 17/I-86). I guess they figure that PennDOT would be maintaining the few feet of road between that interchange and the state line anyway, so the designation doesn't matter Never mind, can't read. They want to truncate it to the interchange.

What I love about NY's application about US-220 is that they use the defense that Google Maps doesn't show it.

Um, yes they do. lol.  You just didn't zoom in enough.  If you'd had, you'd see clear as day the US-220 shields on that segment of road. lol.

CNGL-Leudimin

Quote from: NE2 on June 09, 2017, 12:28:28 PM
North Carolina Future I-495 deletion
North Carolina I-495 deletion

Now gone. It had become redundant to I-87. The I-540 to I-95 section never got to be I-495, despite it was announced to be so. And still no I-894 deletion (redundant to I-41 now).
Supporter of the construction of several running gags, including I-366 with a speed limit of 85 mph (137 km/h) and the Hypotenuse.

Please note that I may mention "invalid" FM channels, i.e. ending in an even number or down to 87.5. These are valid in Europe.

rickmastfan67

Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on June 10, 2017, 07:29:05 AM
Quote from: NE2 on June 09, 2017, 12:28:28 PM
North Carolina Future I-495 deletion
North Carolina I-495 deletion

Now gone. It had become redundant to I-87. The I-540 to I-95 section never got to be I-495, despite it was announced to be so. And still no I-894 deletion (redundant to I-41 now).

AR I-130 says hi! lol.

andy3175

Quote from: NE2 on June 09, 2017, 12:28:28 PM
Nevada US 93 relocation (Boulder City)
Nevada US 93 Bus. recognition (Boulder City)
Nevada US 95 relocation (Boulder City)

I had expected the creation of a business route in Boulder City, but I had thought maybe it would be Business Loop I-11 rather than Business US 93. And the (soon-to-be-signed*) business route follows what was originally a bypass of Boulder City; the original route through town remains as a city-maintained route.

* Of course, since NDOT (and the City of Carson City) barely signed Business US 395 in Carson City and did not sign Business US 50 in Carson City, it's entirely possible that Business US 93 through Boulder City will not be signed.

On another note, Nevada chose to request Interstate 11 southeast to the Nevada 172 interchange. I guess we will wait to see when Nevada and Arizona jointly decide to apply for Interstate status for the Hoover Dam Bypass Bridge and when Arizona decides to apply for Interstate 11 on its section of US 93 that currently meets standards on the east side of the bridge.
Regards,
Andy

www.aaroads.com

Avalanchez71

Quote from: NE2 on June 09, 2017, 12:28:28 PM
Arkansas US 62/US 412 relocation (Cotter) - happened in 1989
Arkansas US 62/US 412 relocation (Mountain Home) - happened in 1998
Arkansas US 62B recognition (Cotter) - happened in 1989
Arkansas US 62B recognition (Mountain Home) - happened in 1998
Arkansas US 70 relocation (De Queen) - happened in 1964
Arkansas US 70B recognition (De Queen) - happened in 1964
Arkansas US 70 relocation (Glenwood) - happened in 1961
Arkansas US 70B recognition (Glenwood) - happened in 1962
Florida US 221 relocation (Perry) - replacing signed county maintained truck route north of US 27
Georgia US 129 relocation (Gray)
Illinois US 12/US 45 relocation (Des Plaines)
Illinois US 45 relocation (Lindenhurst)
Nevada US 50 relocation (Carson City)
Nevada US 93 relocation (Boulder City)
Nevada US 93 Bus. recognition (Boulder City)
Nevada US 95 relocation (Boulder City)
Nevada US 395 relocation (Carson City)
New York US 220 deletion
North Carolina Future I-495 deletion
North Carolina I-495 deletion
Pennsylvania USBR 50
Texas US 87 relocation (Big Spring)
Texas US 87 Bus. extension (Big Spring)
Texas US 90 relocation (Beaumont)
Wisconsin US 12 Bus. recognition (Baraboo)

All were approved.

I would have denied the FL US 221, US 12/45 and the NY US 220.  I would have told AR that they would need to be more timely in filing motions in the future.

TheHighwayMan3561

I-894 is probably not going anywhere due to local familiarity with the route. It's not like I-495 in NC that had barely even opened before it received a new number (fuck you, NC).

Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 27, 2017, 02:38:02 PM
I would have denied the FL US 221, US 12/45 and the NY US 220.  I would have told AR that they would need to be more timely in filing motions in the future.

I think truncating US 220 in this case is one that makes sense. Those two blocks north of I-86 don't have much of a purpose. Is the street 220 ended at the old alignment of NY 17?
self-certified as the dumbest person on this board for 5 years running

froggie

^ Yes it was.  There's just no point in having that tiny bit of US 220 NY.



Opinions expressed here on belong solely to the poster and do not represent or reflect the opinions or beliefs of AARoads, its creators and/or associates.