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Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on January 21, 2009, 12:31:13 AM
A corridor study for US 301 in and around the city of Starke is still in a preliminary stage, with a PD&E study under way.  There are three alternatives for this project: a no project alternative, an urban alternative, and a rural alternative.  The urban alternative would leave the route on its current alignment but upgraded to a six-lane arterial (control access).  The rural alternative would bypass the city to the west and be a full on limited access highway, complete with grade separated interchanges.

Of the three, I would like to see the state build the limited access alternative, as that area is in need of bypasses around all the cities and towns it traverses.  Having lived in that area for 7 years, I've sat in traffic on that particular stretch more than I can count.  Plus it would be the first real limited access bypass for a US Highway constructed in Florida.

For more information on this project click here (http://www.us301starke.com/us301/default.asp).
   
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 21, 2009, 12:38:39 AM
what would Starke Police do if they couldn't put up a speed limit 25 sign anymore??
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 21, 2009, 01:00:56 AM
Shubuta, MS lost out when U.S. 45 was realigned to a bypass. Hopefully the same would happen with Starke.
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on January 21, 2009, 01:15:05 AM
Quote from: aaroads on January 21, 2009, 01:00:56 AM
Shubuta, MS lost out when U.S. 45 was realigned to a bypass. Hopefully the same would happen with Starke.

Oh, I am sure they would find a way out to the bypass if and when it got built, knowing the police up in that neck of the woods.  There would probably be a new Hardee's or Waffle House built at the interchange with Florida 16 and those could be their staging areas...
Title: Florida
Post by: andy3175 on January 21, 2009, 01:17:27 AM
is us 301 currently a two-lane or four-lane highway? how much development is along the current alignment through Starke?
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 21, 2009, 01:19:59 AM
I have a few photos of it in marinating in the queue.
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 21, 2009, 01:20:47 AM
divided four-laner.  hardly anything once you get out of town, and then in town is the usual assortment of gas stations, wal-marts, etc. 
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on January 21, 2009, 01:24:18 AM
Quote from: andy3175 on January 21, 2009, 01:17:27 AM
is us 301 currently a two-lane or four-lane highway? how much development is along the current alignment through Starke?

Actually US 301 is an undivided multi-lane facility through Starke (4 thru lanes with a continuous center turn lane).  The last time I was through the area the growth was pretty much along the US 301 corridor from about 2 miles south of Florida 16 to about 2 miles north.  Not much development for the city but the traffic there is horrible.
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 21, 2009, 01:28:06 AM
oh it's got no median through the town?

I just remember taking a bunch of the rural side streets looking for yellow 301s.  I remember there were a few in that general area; dunno if any where in Starke.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 21, 2009, 01:29:48 AM
We just were told where two yellow U.S 301's are recently.
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on January 21, 2009, 01:33:59 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 21, 2009, 01:28:06 AM
oh it's got no median through the town?

I just remember taking a bunch of the rural side streets looking for yellow 301s.  I remember there were a few in that general area; dunno if any where in Starke.

Yeah, through town it loses the median.  And the right-of-way is not wide enough there to facilitate the six-laning alternative.  Additional ROW would have to be acquired and businesses would have to be bought out.

And as far as any colored US 301 shields, there are none in Starke but there is one set north of town near Lawtey.
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 21, 2009, 01:39:39 AM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.artistjake.com%2Ff%2Ffl%2Fx0068.jpg&hash=0c31f276d64c2813fd064a32e400f6c7e2a9dc31)

I had forgotten where that one was.  Lawtey sounds about right.
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on January 21, 2009, 02:00:26 AM
Yes, it's located about a mile or so south of Lawtey.
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on January 21, 2009, 12:39:55 PM
Switching highways but in the same general area, I have received word from FDOT that the new signage to convert the eastern half of the Jacksonville Beltway from  Florida 9A (http://www.sr9a.info/home.html) to I-295.  The bids are suppose to go out this September and the signage will be in place by sometime in 2010.  Also, once completely signed as I-295, the beltway will be split into the I-295 West Beltway and I-295 East Beltway with I-95 being the divider.  Exit numbers are already painted onto the off ramps on the eastern side but according to FDOT these may not be the final numbers (but I think they would be since they went ahead and marked them).  The only interchange that has exit tabs on the eastern half is at I-95 (heading westbound on 9A) and its exit number is 61.

Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on January 21, 2009, 01:11:24 PM
In keeping in the Jacksonville vicinity, I would really love to see a short extension of I-10 from its current end at I-95 pushed south and east to Florida A1A via the JT Butler Boulevard expressway (Florida 202).  All that would need to be done is to reconfigure the interchange at I-95 and Florida 202 to facilitate high speed movements between north/southbound I-95 and east/westbound Florida 202.  And JTB is currently undergoing a project going from four lanes to six lanes (Kernan Boulevard east to San Pablo Road).  If the interchange at I-95 can be upgraded, then I-10 could be extended and thus, be a true coast to coast interstate, almost literally touching both oceans.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 21, 2009, 09:31:45 PM
Just got the latest FDOT District Three newsletter (http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs023/1101677970109/archive/1102413444599.html), which includes the latest news on the five-year project to widen Interstate 110 in Pensacola.

The whole project will finally be completed by spring of this year. For those familiar with the project, its been since 2002 since Interstate 110 was barrier-free. The new split-diamond interchange between Airport Boulevard and Brent Lane is in its final phase and its completion will wrap up the project.
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on January 24, 2009, 02:34:19 PM
Here's some hope for one of our local busy intersections near Eglin Air Force Base:

Stimulus project: SR-123 flyover?

Local officials lobby for flyover at the road's intersection with SR-85
January 23, 2009 - 6:08 PM
Dusty Ricketts
Daily News

After years of delays, there finally is some hope that the proposed overpass at the southern intersection of State Roads 85 and 123 could become a reality.

The Florida Department of Transportation has had plans for a flyover ramp to connect SR 85 to northbound SR 123 for years. The flyover would reconfigure the congested intersection and eliminate the need for a traffic signal there.

The estimated $30.6-million project has been delayed numerous times because of the cost.

"The intent is to free up the traffic at that intersection by providing a flyover and some at-grade improvements," said Tommie Speights, spokesman for the DOT's Northwest Florida district. "The design on that is not complete."

In 2001, construction was scheduled to begin in fiscal 2007. However, the DOT has delayed the project three times since then.

Most recently, Okaloosa County officials were notified in December that the project had been pushed back again from fiscal 2012 to fiscal 2013.

Rather than accepting another delay, the Okaloosa-Walton Transportation Planning Organization met with DOT officials and the overpass has been added to the list of projects proposed by the state to be funded by the federal economic stimulus program.

Okaloosa County commissioners will write letters to their state and federal legislators seeking help to get the overpass approved. Commissioners hope the project will start before 2013.

"The plans are being updated to current standards in anticipation of potential funding from the economic stimulus package," Speights said. "The plans will be ready for bid advertisement within a month should funding become available."
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Florida 123's southern terminus at Florida 85.  Photo taken 12/01/08. 

The photo above shows a portion of the current configuration at the intersection between Florida 123 and Florida 85.  One can see in the background traffic waiting in queue to turn from northbound Florida 85 onto Florida 123.  This intersection is known for its daily backups from those coming from the base and also for commuter traffic from the Fort Walton Beach area to points north, such as Crestview.
Title: Florida
Post by: lamsalfl on January 26, 2009, 05:23:08 PM
Quote from: ComputerGuy on January 18, 2009, 01:49:30 PM
More expressways galore!

At least with Sunrail, transit is starting to slowly take some roots in Orlando.
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on January 26, 2009, 06:24:11 PM
Quote from: lamsalfl on January 26, 2009, 05:23:08 PM
Quote from: ComputerGuy on January 18, 2009, 01:49:30 PM
More expressways galore!

At least with Sunrail, transit is starting to slowly take some roots in Orlando.

Yes, very, very slowly.  In my opinion, the Sunrail (http://www.sunrail.com/) will only benefit those who live directly next to the I-4 corridor, which is not the majority of the population in the Orlando metro area.  Everyone else will still have to use their own transportation to drive to the rail stations, which means they will still be clogging the crowded roadways to get there.
Title: Florida
Post by: lamsalfl on January 26, 2009, 06:28:34 PM
baby steps.
Title: Florida
Post by: mediaguru on February 05, 2009, 03:01:28 AM
Quote from: flaroadgeek on January 21, 2009, 01:11:24 PM
In keeping in the Jacksonville vicinity, I would really love to see a short extension of I-10 from its current end at I-95 pushed south and east to Florida A1A via the JT Butler Boulevard expressway (Florida 202).  All that would need to be done is to reconfigure the interchange at I-95 and Florida 202 to facilitate high speed movements between north/southbound I-95 and east/westbound Florida 202.  And JTB is currently undergoing a project going from four lanes to six lanes (Kernan Boulevard east to San Pablo Road).  If the interchange at I-95 can be upgraded, then I-10 could be extended and thus, be a true coast to coast interstate, almost literally touching both oceans.

I've often thought that an upgraded JTB/SR-202 would be a good Interstate candidate because of the major role it plays in connecting I-95 to the coast.  As far as extending I-10 onto the SR-202 alignment, it seems that such an extension would so dramatically affect heavily developed areas that it would be prohibitive.  There are a number of new interchange designs under consideration for I-95/SR-202 (see: http://www.butler95.com/ (http://www.butler95.com/)), so it is conceivable that the freeway could be extended beyond nearby US 1 and toward the St. Johns.  The question would be how to route it across the river from there.  I guess I-10 could always be multiplexed with I-95 through the downtown/southside areas....
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on February 05, 2009, 11:15:01 AM
Thanks for the site link.  I didn't know that they are actually going to do a PD&E study for improvements.  The Interstate 95/Florida 202 does need upgrading.  And in my scenario, I would have Interstate 10 multiplex with Interstate 95 across the St. Johns.  Who knows, maybe once they get the six-laning done and the interchange upgraded they will file for a interstate designation, whether it be for Interstate 10 or perhaps for an Interstate 995...that would be cool as well.     
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on February 10, 2009, 12:56:16 AM
The first portion of the Toll Florida 414 is set to open this Saturday in the afternoon, after having morning festivities including a 5k run and some family type entertainment.  The initial opening is set for Sunpass and Epass only, but work will continue to accommodate cash customers on the Coral Hills Main Toll Plaza and ramp plazas. Also note that the Keene Road ramps will not be accessible initially. Click here (http://www.oocea.com/Corporate/oursystem/SR414/assets/SR414_map.pdf) for a detailed map of the partial opening.
Title: Florida
Post by: DAL764 on February 10, 2009, 10:18:05 AM
They are already opening a part of F414? Wow, news like these always make me envious at just how fast freeways can get build in the US, when a project of similar dimensions takes at least 2-3 times as many years in Germany  :rolleyes:.
Title: Florida
Post by: mightyace on February 10, 2009, 03:56:48 PM
Quote from: DAL764 on February 10, 2009, 10:18:05 AM
They are already opening a part of F414? Wow, news like these always make me envious at just how fast freeways can get build in the US, when a project of similar dimensions takes at least 2-3 times as many years in Germany  :rolleyes:.

I don't think that we build them as sturdy as you do.  I was watching a History Channel show about the autobahns in Germany and I think they said that the pavement depth is around twice what it is here on a U.S. freeway.

Therefore, we need to repair/rebuild them more often.
Title: Florida
Post by: DAL764 on February 10, 2009, 04:01:47 PM
Quote from: mightyace on February 10, 2009, 03:56:48 PM
Quote from: DAL764 on February 10, 2009, 10:18:05 AM
They are already opening a part of F414? Wow, news like these always make me envious at just how fast freeways can get build in the US, when a project of similar dimensions takes at least 2-3 times as many years in Germany  :rolleyes:.

I don't think that we build them as sturdy as you do.  I was watching a History Channel show about the autobahns in Germany and I think they said that the pavement depth is around twice what it is here on a U.S. freeway.

Therefore, we need to repair/rebuild them more often.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. There have been plenty cases where new Autobahnen would have to be repaired within the first year of operation because they had already developed cracks. Overall the US might have lower standards as far as building freeways goes, but what are standards worth when building contracts only go to the lowest bidder anyway  :rolleyes: (and still take ages to complete).
Title: Florida
Post by: mightyace on February 10, 2009, 11:41:47 PM
Quote from: DAL764 on February 10, 2009, 04:01:47 PM
I wouldn't be so sure about that. There have been plenty cases where new Autobahnen would have to be repaired within the first year of operation because they had already developed cracks. Overall the US might have lower standards as far as building freeways goes, but what are standards worth when building contracts only go to the lowest bidder anyway  :rolleyes: (and still take ages to complete).

Thanks, it's always better to get an eyewitness. :wow:
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on February 11, 2009, 03:11:55 AM
An article on Interstate 295 that Presnwap just shared with me:
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-01-29/story/what%E2%80%99s_in_a_direction_on_i_295_in_2010_it_depends (http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-01-29/story/what%E2%80%99s_in_a_direction_on_i_295_in_2010_it_depends)
Title: Florida
Post by: lamsalfl on February 11, 2009, 03:30:48 AM
Presnwap would be lamsalfl
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on February 11, 2009, 03:35:26 AM
Quote from: aaroads on February 11, 2009, 03:11:55 AM
An article on Interstate 295 that Presnwap just shared with me:
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-01-29/story/what%E2%80%99s_in_a_direction_on_i_295_in_2010_it_depends (http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-01-29/story/what%E2%80%99s_in_a_direction_on_i_295_in_2010_it_depends)

I wrote someone at FDOT on this subject a few weeks ago and he informed me that it will be designated East and West Beltway.  And evidence in the field supports that claim:

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Photo right before the approach to the Interstate 295 East and West Beltway at exit 362AB along northbound Interstate 95. Photo taken 07/20/08.

And if you can read the tiny note under the East Beltway exit numbers, it indicates that Exit 58 is planned for future use, namely the 'Y' interchange with future 9B (or Interstate 795 if they do indeed designate it as such).
Title: Florida
Post by: DAL764 on February 11, 2009, 10:33:49 AM
You know, up til now I didn't even realise that JAX' beltway would be almost as long as I-285 in Atlanta, could've sworn it would easily be shorter. Oh well, probably messed up conception due to the different traffic levels on the two beltways.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on February 11, 2009, 06:25:35 PM
"Why change it to an east-west road when people are used to it as a north-south road? FDOT believes it will be easier to navigate the road this way. Interstate 95 is a north-south road, so it makes more sense to have Interstate 295 be east-west. This report also contains material from Nancy Singer, Federal Highway Administration spokeswoman."

What does Interstate 95 being signed as north-south have to do with it making more sense to sign Interstate 295 east/west. That's the logic of a pancake.  :pan: To save confusion, just designate the east half of the beltway Interstate 495 north/south and retain the existing signage on the west side as Interstate 295 north/south.

Oh wait, we don't create new numbers anymore, we just extend existing ones *slaps head*. I have to remember that.   :banghead:
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on February 11, 2009, 07:02:46 PM
Nope, we can't create a new number.  We have to continually extend existing routes.

I totally agree with you on this one.  The eastern portion should have just been designated another even I-x95.  And IMHO, I-295 is not the most direct bypass around Jacksonville.  In fact, traffic on the south side is horrendous around the Florida 21 (Blanding Blvd) exit (exit 10), though they have modified the interchange with an extended dual off ramp.

It can join the likes of Interstate 4, which runs due north and south through the Orlando area and confuses most people because it is signed as an east/west route.  So yes FDOT, it makes perfect sense for I-295 to become an east/west route for the rocks.....NOT!     
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on February 11, 2009, 07:35:56 PM
While perusing a 1932 official road map of Florida I noticed that the land the current Eglin Air Force Base occupies was once known as Choctawhatchee National Forest.  Does anyone know the history of this national park?
Title: Florida
Post by: mightyace on February 11, 2009, 07:48:52 PM
 Most beltways are signed for all four cardinal directions in their circle.  Is this more or less confusing?
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on February 11, 2009, 10:07:59 PM
Quote from: mightyace on February 11, 2009, 07:48:52 PM
Most beltways are signed for all four cardinal directions in their circle.  Is this more or less confusing?

I think it depends on their functionality. Probably a cop-out answer, but I'd say the confusion level varies on a case by case basis.
Title: Florida
Post by: Bryant5493 on February 11, 2009, 10:28:05 PM
Quote from: mightyace on February 11, 2009, 07:48:52 PM
Most beltways are signed for all four cardinal directions in their circle.  Is this more or less confusing?

It took me awhile to understand the way I-285 was signed. It can be a bit confusing. An inner-outer loop designation would be a little less confusing, as some folks aren't good with their cardinal directions. When I looked at a map, though, it actually made sense: from I-85 to I-75, on the Westside of Atlanta, the freeway is signed north-south; from I-75 to I-85, on the Top End, I-285 is signed east-west; from I-85 to I-20 (Eastside Atlanta), 285 is signed north-south; and from I-20 to I-85 (on the Southeastside), the Perimeter is signed east-west. 


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on February 19, 2009, 12:02:04 AM
The Orlando-Orange County Expressway Authority is making moves toward a 25 cent toll increase at all 14 toll plazas and most toll ramp facilities in the greater Orlando area. The OOCEA covers about 105 miles of toll roads in the central Florida region such as Toll Florida 408, 417, 429 and the newly partially opened Toll Florida 414. Some motorists are against this type of increase and have already suggested that if indeed the tolls are raised, they will begin to take the more congested routes, such as Interstate 4 and Colonial Drive. The OOCEA stated that they have no choice since their revenues and ridership have fallen consistantly for the last 11 months, which according to them is unprecedented in the agency's history. It has also been suggested that the increase could bring in more than $40 million annually. This increase could help pay for projects such as the extension of Toll Florida 414 west of Toll Florida 429, construction of the 25 mile Wekiva Parkway, the proposed limited access toll facility connecting the proposed 414/429 with Interstate 4 near Sanford, among a few other projects.

Read here (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-tollhike1809feb18,0,1892733.story?page=1) for more information on this story.

So that means for all those motorists who are currently using the 25 cent toll ramps, beginning in April you will start paying double. To some that may not seem like much but when you break it down quarter by quarter it starts adding up real quick, especially if you use the toll roads everyday. That also means motorists on expressways such as the Beachline (Toll Florida 528) are going to get screwed as well as a portion of that facility is also maintained by the OOCEA, more specifically the portion that runs directly north of the Orlando International Airport. I imagine even more motorists will avoid that specific toll plaza (as it can be done and I purposely have done it many times). Not that I took the toll roads much, but if I did need to get across town in a hurry and didn't feel like using the congested arterials or Interstate 4, I would use them.

So, once again, thanks to this wonderful recession that we are currently in, an agency of the government gets to pass the buck onto you. Yep, so glad I don't live there anymore...
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on February 20, 2009, 12:47:40 PM
While on the Fort Myers Newspress site this morning I found this article:

Graffiti artist falls from sign on Miami expressway

The Associated Press - February 20, 2009

MIAMI – The Florida Highway Patrol says a man who was hit and killed by a truck on an expressway might have fallen from an overhead sign he was tagging.

The 28-year-old man fell from a catwalk on a road sign hanging over the Palmetto Expressway at about 1 a.m.

Authorities say a pickup hit and killed the man on the roadway. The driver of the pickup truck did stop.

FHP troopers found a can of spray paint near the man's body. Several signs on Interstate 95 in Miami were vandalized earlier this week; officials say they don't know if the man who fell scrawled the graffiti on the other signs.

The man's identity has not yet been released.
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My guess is that he was one of the culprits who did indeed tag those Interstate 95 signs earlier this week. I'm sure there are more out there, and maybe this will deter them from wanting to risk their wasteful lives on tagging any more road signs (but I highly doubt it). Guess that was the last sign he'll be tagging...
Title: Florida
Post by: DAL764 on February 20, 2009, 03:37:29 PM
Gotta feel sorry for the truck driver, running over someone is gonna cause him quite a few nightmares even if he isn't at fault whatsoever.

As for the graffiti artist, good riddance.
Title: Florida
Post by: Chris on February 20, 2009, 03:49:57 PM
I can only feel sorry for the truck driver, not that "artist" who vandalizes signage.
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on February 20, 2009, 03:50:30 PM
Yeah, I imagine it will take that truck driver some time to get over that incident. I cannot imagine having something like that happening to me while I was driving.

And yes, I agree with you on the graffiti artist as well. People who do acts such as that have to be morons in the first place. As I said, what does one get out of pulling stunts like that? If you are going to do something in life, do something constructive, not destructive. So not only is this incident costing us taxpayers (in the form of now either cleaning these signs or replacing them all together), its costing what family this guy had (if any at all). I would say his lesson has been learned. He'll never do that again... :-o
Title: Florida
Post by: mightyace on March 04, 2009, 01:47:00 PM
Orlando raising tolls about a third April 5 - first toll hike since July 1990

See http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4030 (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4030)

Sounds like a Mickey Mouse proposition to me!  :-D
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on March 04, 2009, 02:24:52 PM
Yep, it is. The toll hike is also partly due to lack of ridership on the tollways in the county. Since the OOCEA is not making any money they have to pass the buck onto the commuters and make them pay. Nice, eh? 
Title: Florida
Post by: mightyace on March 04, 2009, 02:53:47 PM
Quote from: flaroadgeek on March 04, 2009, 02:24:52 PM
Yep, it is. The toll hike is also partly due to lack of ridership on the tollways in the county. Since the OOCEA is not making any money they have to pass the buck onto the commuters and make them pay. Nice, eh? 

And, of course, the toll hike will lower ridership further.
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on March 04, 2009, 04:20:55 PM
Yes, it will in turn lower it further but I really don't think it will lower it to drastic levels. There are still those who will take the toll facilities no matter what the cost is to them; anything to avoid Interstate 4 and some of the more heavily traveled arterials (such as Colonial Drive and Semoran Boulevard).
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 05, 2009, 01:10:37 PM
Here is another article about the toll hike approval, which includes a few notes on the SR 414 extension and the Wekiva Parkway:
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25-cent expressway toll hike approved, will start April 5
Plazas, ramps to charge 25 cents more April 5 -- other boosts due in 2012

Dan Tracy |  Sentinel Staff Writer
February 27, 2009

Rejecting the complaints and occasional catcalls of dozens of disgruntled motorists, the directors of Greater Orlando's road-building agency unanimously decided to raise tolls by at least 25 cents Thursday.

The rate increase will take effect April 5 at 14 main toll plazas and most exit and entrance ramps on the nearly 105-mile system.

An additional increase of at least 9percent is planned in 2012, based on rises in the Consumer Price Index during the next three years. Subsequent cost-of-living increases would kick in every five years.

The authority chairman, Orange County Mayor Rich Crotty, defended the raise by saying it would improve the flagging economy by creating jobs and improving the region's road network.

"There's a very big economic impact," he said.

But 28 people asked the directors not to raise tolls, arguing that people are too distressed by the failing economy to pay more to ride on the authority's roads. Board members, the critics charged, are poor stewards of the toll money.

"Mismanagement is the problem here, not lack of revenue," said Michael Walzak of Orlando.

Board member Tanya Juarez, who voted for the increase that passed 4-0, agreed the Orlando-Orange County Expressway Authority needs to be more frugal, suggesting weeklong furloughs for the authority's 50 employees might be a good starting point.

"We must exhaust all cost-cutting measures," Juarez said.

That comment offered little comfort to Madonna Patrick, who lives in west Orange County. She said her son spends $152.75 a month on tolls driving to and from his home, job and school at the University of Central Florida.

The increase, she said, will bump his bill to $210.75.

"There's no way to get to UCF if you don't have the toll roads, unless you want to take all day," Patrick said.

UCF President John Hitt was one of seven who spoke in favor of the increase.

"We need to maintain and expand our road network," he said. "We need to raise rates if that's what it takes."

The toll increase, in fact, is as much about the future as it is about replacing money lost to fewer toll payers.

Without a boost, authority officials say, they cannot build any new roads, potentially leaving the beltway around greater Orlando incomplete and eliminating improvements and expansions to the existing system, which includes state roads 408, 417, 429 and parts of 414 and 528.

The first 25-cent bump would raise an additional $47million, according to revenue projections compiled by an authority consultant. That increase would come despite an anticipated traffic drop of as much as 10 percent caused by motorists unwilling to pay the higher tolls.

The initial cost-of-living increase – its first full year coming in 2013 – would raise another $67million.

That double infusion of money would restart authority construction projects, with some work possibly beginning at the end of the year.

Authority managers say they could borrow as much as $648 million in coming months, ultimately creating as many as 18,000 construction and related jobs.

The work would include:

-Extending the John Land Apopka Expressway, also known as S.R. 414, west to near Plymouth-Sorrento Road, in preparation for the Wekiva Parkway. Construction of that 25-mile toll road, linking S.R. 414 to Interstate 4 in Seminole County, could begin in 2014.

-Widening S.R. 408 near S.R. 417 and improving the interchange between the two roads.

Authority director Mike Snyder also said that without an increase, toll income could drop below what the agency needs to pay off $2.1billion in bond debt. That could trigger a takeover of operations by the bondholders, though he could not cite an agency to which that has happened.

Cash customers likely would pay 25 cents more for every increase, because the agency says it is not cost-effective to collect small change.

But motorists with E-Pass, the electronic device that automatically debits a prepaid account, would be charged the actual cost-of-living increase, even if it is only a few cents.

The authority last raised rates in 1990 and lowered them at two plazas in 1992.

This is the second time in less than three years that the agency said it would raise tolls. Authority officials backed off in 2006, when a scandal broke about how the agency spent its money. That prompted the resignation of two directors, including board Chairman Allan Keen.

Triggering the backlash was the disclosure that a consultant for the agency had paid a company controlled by anti-tax activist Doug Guetzloe $107,500 to research why people dislike paying tolls.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 05, 2009, 05:11:37 PM
Found this while looking up information on the new Marion County 484 alignment near Belleview.

http://www.ocalafl.org/TPO2.aspx?id=3040 (http://www.ocalafl.org/TPO2.aspx?id=3040)




Ocala Beltway

In the mid-1980s, one of the issues identified by the TPO was a need to divert traffic coming through the urban areas to destinations elsewhere. The original concept was a beltway designed to divert traffic around the Cities of Ocala and Belleview. The Ocala Beltway identified a series of limited-access roadways designed to divert traffic around the two cities. The original concept included converting several existing roadways (SR 326 north of Ocala, Baseline Road east of Ocala, and CR 484 west of Belleview) to limited-access roads. The concept also identified new roads such as SW 80th Avenue west of I-75 to complete the Beltway. Eventually, it was decided that conversion of existing roads would not be cost effective. In 1991, the TPO eliminated the Beltway concept in favor of a series of expansions of the existing roadways and the creation of the Belleview Bypass. Today, these roadways are in various stages of development. Please see the Current Projects Section for more information.

SR 35 (Baseline Road) - SR 464 to Belleview Bypass

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      Expand 2.5 mile section to 4 lanes
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      Marion County is currently developing the design for this portion of the project
    *
      Construction currently not funded

Belleview Bypass - SR 35 to US 441

This project was developed to alleviate traffic, especially heavy-truck traffic, from the Belleview area. The new, four-laned roadway is planned to begin at the intersection of SE 93rd Steet Road and go east and south around the east side of Belleview.

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      New four-lane roadway
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      Marion County is currently developing the design for this portion of the project
    *
      Construction not yet funded
Title: Florida
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 06, 2009, 03:34:31 PM
http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4042 (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4042) Here's an article on the partial opening of FL 414 for only Sunpass customers(it says only those with transponders at the very beginning).
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on March 06, 2009, 03:49:30 PM
I would very much like to see the rest of Florida 414 (Maitland Boulevard) east of U.S. 441 transformed into an full-blown expressway, getting rid of the remaining at-grade intersections. The northern part of the Orlando area has needed an additional east-west expressway to move traffic in the Altamonte Springs area as well as areas such as Casselberry and Maitland. I've always envisioned Maitland Boulevard extending east from its current eastern terminus at U.S. 17/92 to reach Toll Florida 417 and possibly further east.
Title: Florida
Post by: lamsalfl on March 09, 2009, 12:31:09 AM
Quote from: flaroadgeek on March 06, 2009, 03:49:30 PM
I would very much like to see the rest of Florida 414 (Maitland Boulevard) east of U.S. 441 transformed into an full-blown expressway, getting rid of the remaining at-grade intersections. The northern part of the Orlando area has needed an additional east-west expressway to move traffic in the Altamonte Springs area as well as areas such as Casselberry and Maitland. I've always envisioned Maitland Boulevard extending east from its current eastern terminus at U.S. 17/92 to reach Toll Florida 417 and possibly further east.

I think it could be done.  I've looked at the aerials quite a bit, and I think you can squeeze some ramps in there.
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on March 09, 2009, 01:09:41 AM
With the right amount of tweaking I believe you can. There are already plans for the interchange with Interstate 4 to be reconfigured (http://www.trans4mation.org/?id=177), so yes, it could be feasible to transform the rest of Florida 414 into an expressway.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 09, 2009, 11:46:58 AM
The access is already controlled along Florida 414 between U.S. 441 and Interstate 4. There are sound walls in place along some of that stretch, and all private driveways and commercial access is from the side roads, not from the Maitland Boulevard mainline. However the right of way is pretty tight in spots.
Title: Florida
Post by: CarlFox on March 10, 2009, 02:51:23 AM
Does anyone have any links for SR 23 (Cecil Commerce Parkway / Brannon Field-Chaffee Road) in Duval County?  They have the segment of Chaffee Road Between SR 134 (103rd St) and SR 228 (Normandy Blvd) closed to work on the SR 23 segment from 103rd to I-10, and I'd like to track down a timeline as to when that will be finished.

Also, I noticed that the intersection of the new SR 23 with Normandy will be at-grade with traffic signals.  Thought that was supposed to be part of the "outer beltway" on the First Coast...
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on March 10, 2009, 03:04:49 AM
Here is the official website for Florida 23: http://www.bfcxpress.com/ (http://www.bfcxpress.com/). I hope this helps.

As far as the intersection with Florida 23 and Normandy, yes it will be an at-grade intersection with traffic signals until such time when traffic warrants it to be upgraded to a full-fledged freeway. It is still part of the "Outer Beltway", but some portions (such as this one) will be constructed as either Super-2's or just as a two-lane road with provisions for future upgrades. The entire project will take several years, if not a decade or two, to complete.
Title: Florida
Post by: njroadhorse on March 10, 2009, 08:39:18 AM
Quote from: flaroadgeek on March 10, 2009, 03:04:49 AM
Here is the official website for Florida 23: http://www.bfcxpress.com/ (http://www.bfcxpress.com/). I hope this helps.

As far as the intersection with Florida 23 and Normandy, yes it will be an at-grade intersection with traffic signals until such time when traffic warrants it to be upgraded to a full-fledged freeway. It is still part of the "Outer Beltway", but some portions (such as this one) will be constructed as either Super-2's or just as a two-lane road with provisions for future upgrades. The entire project will take several years, if not a decade or two, to complete.
Will it connect all the way to 95 eventually?  That would help 295 out a lot if it did.


Also, I was in St. Johns County in April 2006, and noticed that there was a large swath of land cleared on both sides of CR 210.  Could anybody tell me what that was for?
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on March 10, 2009, 12:28:58 PM
Yes, the First Coast Outer Beltway is suppose to connect with Interstate 95 between Florida 16 and St. Johns County 210.

As far as St. Johns County 210, this is the end result of what you saw in April 2006:

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Eastbound St. Johns County 210 (Nocatee Parkway) approaching Crosswater Parkway. Photo taken 05/03/08.

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Crosswater Parkway northbound at St. Johns County 210. Photo taken 05/03/08.

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Temporary end of Nocatee Parkway. St. Johns County 210 veers south from here to connect with its original alignment on its way to nearby U.S. 1. Photo taken 05/03/08.

St. Johns County 210 was realigned in 2007 to accommodate the Town of Nocatee (http://www.nocatee.com/QuickFacts/Default.aspx), a huge planned town in southeast St. Johns County. The creation of the Nocatee Parkway (St. Johns County 210) was part of the planning of this town. The second extension will bring the Nocatee Parkway west to U.S. 1 in 2010, carrying the St. Johns County 210 designation with it.

Since a portion of this is freeway grade, I would love to see this somehow tie in with the Outer First Coast Beltway and then the entire roadway could be designated Interstate 210 (just replace the county pentagon shields with interstate shields), but current plans do not call for either.
Title: Florida
Post by: njroadhorse on March 10, 2009, 01:14:14 PM
Cool, I gotta go back there and see this.
Title: Florida
Post by: CarlFox on March 10, 2009, 10:27:12 PM
Quote from: flaroadgeek on March 10, 2009, 03:04:49 AM
Here is the official website for Florida 23: http://www.bfcxpress.com/ (http://www.bfcxpress.com/). I hope this helps.

Aha!  Just what I was looking for, thanks.  I couldn't remember if they had a separate site for the road.

FDOT was in the process of putting up some new BGS's for SR 23 at 103rd when I drove by there a week or so ago, which had the road named the "Cecil Commerce Expressway" (or some such), although that may be a case of the road being called one thing in Duval County and another in Clay.

Now, I need to find info on that "College Drive North Extension" on Segment 7.  I live just off the current College Drive (Clay CR 224), and the intersection with Blanding Blvd. has a Publix shopping center right across from it, so how they plan to accomplish that is a bit boggling... :)
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on March 10, 2009, 11:52:28 PM
Quote from: CarlFox on March 10, 2009, 10:27:12 PM
Quote from: flaroadgeek on March 10, 2009, 03:04:49 AM
Here is the official website for Florida 23: http://www.bfcxpress.com/ (http://www.bfcxpress.com/). I hope this helps.

Aha!  Just what I was looking for, thanks.  I couldn't remember if they had a separate site for the road.

FDOT was in the process of putting up some new BGS's for SR 23 at 103rd when I drove by there a week or so ago, which had the road named the "Cecil Commerce Expressway" (or some such), although that may be a case of the road being called one thing in Duval County and another in Clay.

Now, I need to find info on that "College Drive North Extension" on Segment 7.  I live just off the current College Drive (Clay CR 224), and the intersection with Blanding Blvd. has a Publix shopping center right across from it, so how they plan to accomplish that is a bit boggling... :)

Not a problem!  :D I'll see if I can find any info on the College Drive North Extension for you and let you know what I find.
Title: Florida
Post by: CarlFox on March 17, 2009, 01:28:26 AM
From the Times-Union : http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-15/story/legislators_hope_to_get_outer_beltway_project_going (http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-15/story/legislators_hope_to_get_outer_beltway_project_going)

Interesting note : I saw that some new green signs were put up on SR 23 between Argyle Forest Blvd and 103rd St; most of what was on the signs was covered up, except for a white curved shape at the bottom.  If that's part of a road shield, the only curved-bottom shields Florida uses (IIRC) are for toll roads.  That'll go over well with Jacksonville drivers (especially the ones who voted the tolls away all those years ago)...
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on March 17, 2009, 02:10:11 AM
In which direction were these signs? And did you happen to notice signs of any possible open road tolling equipment between Argyle and 103rd? I believe that they would not be tolling that existing portion (at least I hope they wouldn't). And yes, the toll shields in Florida does have rounded bottom.

Interesting article, though. I read a lot of the readers opinions on the subject and most are not for the Outer Beltway. If it indeed turns into a toll facility, then we can say goodbye to any chance of a new interstate in the Jacksonville area.
Title: Florida
Post by: CarlFox on March 17, 2009, 10:50:19 PM
QuoteIn which direction were these signs? And did you happen to notice signs of any possible open road tolling equipment between Argyle and 103rd? I believe that they would not be tolling that existing portion (at least I hope they wouldn't). And yes, the toll shields in Florida does have rounded bottom.

There was one going northbound just past Argyle, and two going southbound, one just after 103rd, and a second just past Argyle (begin/end?).  Next time I'm out that way, I'll have to get a snapshot of them.
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on March 18, 2009, 12:17:56 AM
Sweet!! Yeah, I'd love to see some pictures of them. It almost makes me wonder if they are either mileage signs (which I doubt but you never know) or some sort of corridor signage such as North Carolina is imfamous for (I doubt this too but...).
Title: Florida
Post by: CarlFox on March 27, 2009, 11:24:25 PM
Latest on the Outer Beltway from the local fishwrapper : http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-23/story/tolls_making_a_comeback_in_this_region (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-23/story/tolls_making_a_comeback_in_this_region)

Whole lotta NIMBY going on...

QuoteFleming Island resident Mike Heemer  said the road is a bad idea that will only benefit the landowners and businesses around the road.

Heemer concedes that constructing the road is supported by many in Clay County. But he said a lot of people aren't aware that it will be a toll road.

"I call it the First Coast Outer Tollway,"  he said.

Heemer is also dubious that people will want to travel on a toll road after it's built and says the portion of the  road from Green Cove Springs to St. Johns County won't see a lot of vehicles.

Pete Geiger,  a resident of Penney Farms in Clay County, expressed concern that the Outer Beltway would end up discouraging the construction of other roads in the area. He worries that a contractor would insist on a no-compete clause that would lead to the state putting lights and stop signs on other roads so that cars would use the Outer Beltway.

Hmm...if it makes it easier to get from Orange Park, Middleburg, et. al. to St. Augustine (never mind I-95 in St. Johns County), I think it'll get more use than these guys think.  That, and I would think that would take pressure off of SR 16 and St Johns County 210, as well.
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on March 28, 2009, 03:11:34 PM
I am not at all surprised that the outer beltway is now being considered as a toll facility. Maybe FDOT should consider using some of the stimulus package and use it toward this instead of just using it to resurface other roads, especially since some of the roads being considered do not even need to be resurfaced.

I agree that most of those people have no clue about who will use the road and who will not. And if I could talk to the resident of Penney Farms, I'd tell him that putting stop lights and and stop signs will not encourage more people to use the outer beltway. It hasn't done that in the Orlando area.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 28, 2009, 10:23:01 PM
As far as I knew, the beltway was to be tolled all along. The only portion that would be free would be the Brannan-Chaffee Expressway portion (SR-23).

Reading that article, it kills me to learn of these no-compete clauses. Why do we have those in roads, especially with toll roads versus free alternatives. There's some heated debate with the ones in Austin, TX for instance, especially with the upgrading of portions of U.S. 190 into a toll road that will require non-toll paying drivers to use the congested frontage roads as an alternative. Is that what they mean by no-compete clause?
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on March 28, 2009, 10:43:11 PM
When I first learned of the Outer Beltway back in the late 1990's, it was not planned as a toll facility as now stated on their official website (http://www.fdotfirstcoastouterbeltway.com/index.asp). And with the current corridor planned, it really will not serve as a bypass but more rather of a sprawl inducer, as it will open up acres and acres of northeast Florida farm land for residential and commercial use, especially along corridors such as U.S. 17, Florida 16 and Florida 21 (Blanding Boulevard), which does not need any more commercial or residential developments.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 29, 2009, 10:47:04 AM
Within the past two years, U.S. 98 and U.S. 331 were relocated onto new facilities in northwest Florida. U.S. 98 was moved inland in Gulf County, and now bypasses a new beach community called Windmark Beach. U.S. 331 was relocated eastward onto a new facility north and east of Freeport. The old alignment in Gulf County is now a part of beachfront lots.  :verymad: Old U.S. 331 in Walton County is now signed as Florida 883.  :crazy:

Are there any other pending or planned U.S. highway relocations like this in Florida?
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on April 04, 2009, 09:25:57 AM
Did you get a chance to get pictures of FL 883. Glad I got to clinch US 331 before the realignment.
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on April 04, 2009, 11:53:14 AM
QuoteDid you get a chance to get pictures of FL 883. Glad I got to clinch US 331 before the realignment.

He and I both have some pictures of FL 883. I am posting some of mine and I am sure he will post some later as I think he has better lighting...

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First northbound reassurance shield for Florida 883 just north of its southern terminus with Florida 20. Photo taken 12/01/08.


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First southbound reassurance shield for Florida 883 south of U.S. 331. Photo taken 12/01/08.

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Approaching the intersection with Florida 20 in Freeport. The shield assembly in the background still displays U.S. 331 as turning east onto Florida 20. Photo taken 12/01/08.

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Shield assembly for Florida 20 and now erroneous U.S. 331 east of Florida 883. Photo taken 12/01/08.

Unfortunately I did not get a chance to clinch U.S. 331 when it was on its former alignment through Freeport... :no:

My other question with this signing of Florida 883 is why use that number? That route belongs down in southwest Florida along with all the other 880 series routes. This route should have just been called Florida 83 instead.
Title: Florida
Post by: ComputerGuy on April 04, 2009, 12:16:18 PM
Great pics...I see a sign that points to a place called "Bruce"...LOL that's my name.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on April 05, 2009, 05:19:03 AM
Thanks for sharing those. They replaced the old traffic light with those ugly Panhandle mast arms.   :banghead: The street straight ahead in the third picture used to/still does have a C-83A shield on it (it was most likely a spur of S/C-83A to the west). They used 883 probably for the same reason of using the 7xx (and 4xx) series in Pensacola, to differentiate from the overuse and limited remaining numbers of the 1xx and 2xx series. Plus, it could be signed that way to state it's a "spur" of 83. Panama City had the same thing series 7xx numbers during the 70s, until they renumbered them to 4-di CRs. I wonder if there are any historical photos of those around somewhere.

Is the new US 331 4- or 2-laned? Mapquest has FL 883 listed as Business US 331.

Now, to get pictures of SR 162 in Tallahassee.  ;-)
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on April 05, 2009, 12:25:43 PM
To answer your question about U.S. 331, it is two lanes but they acquired enough right of way to easily make it four lanes in the future.

And I am not surprised that Mapquest has it listed as Business U.S. 331. Maps Live shows the bypass and shows Florida 883 as Business U.S. 331 (in text) as well. Their aerial does show the bypass under construction (aerial must be from 2006 or 2007). Google Maps, on the other hand, does not even show the new bypass at all!! They still show U.S. 331 going along its original alignment and even the aerial used is older than Maps Live as it shows it pre-bypass. And Google Street View isn't much better, though it does show U.S. 331 just north of where the bypass comes in as newly paved. Their drivers didn't even take the new route when they did their street view recon! One image at Florida 20 still shows the bypass under construction (when looking north on U.S. 331) and when you toggle south along 331 in the next frame you can see cars using it! This is why I hate Google Maps and Google Street View, but that can be discussed in its proper thread...

As far as the C-83A shield, it is still there  :)

I actually took a little jaunt over to Panama City yesterday and found several historical shields still in place. I photographed them all and will probably post them at a later date. I did not, however, come across any historical 7xx series shields but that would have been sweet if I did. Of course they are probably removed but you never know. I will have to make another trip over that way soon.

If I can make it over to Tallahassee sometime soon maybe I will get some Florida 162 pictures to post...
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 05, 2009, 01:13:04 PM
Business U.S. 331 is signed on green guide signs in text for the old route, but not in shields.
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on April 05, 2009, 01:14:36 PM
Yes, I did forget about that. And I have pictures of that as well...
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 05, 2009, 01:17:34 PM
I saw no signed for Florida 162 when I took the Exit 203 off-ramp last year:
http://www.southeastroads.com/florida010/i-010_eb_exit_203_07.jpg (http://www.southeastroads.com/florida010/i-010_eb_exit_203_07.jpg)

However, I know that an overhead for the eastbound return ramp was added since that photo was taken, so perhaps S.R. 162 gained a shield? Though, if it was signed, it would be an eastbound only route right?
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on April 06, 2009, 05:53:17 AM
Thanks for the info, I do look forward to seeing those Panama City pics when they're up. From what I remember, there should have been a keys shield for 389 on Old (now CR?) 22 west of Business 98, and a colored and faded US 231 shield assembly north of town, probably off what was old SR 77A now CR 2321(?). Also, the westernmost CR (30A? now probably 3037) in Panama City Beach near the Walton County Line has an old keys 30A shield on the approach to US 98 dating from when 98 was along Alternate 98. Did they remove the colored 98/Business 98/231 shields from downtown? Also, there could have been some old 392 shields on Clara and Alf Coleman

That's good the C-83A shield is still up.

As per 162, I emailed District 3 and they said it was signed. Is Raymond Diehl now one way EB? Either 61 or 261 should have shields. Glad to see the Panhandle mast arms are quickly popping up everywhere  :rolleyes: I miss not being able to road trip.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 06, 2009, 10:29:13 AM
I'll let flaroadgeek answer you on his sign finds of this past weekend.

As for the downtown Panama City coloured shields, those were all but gone by 2006. The final reverse coloured U.S. 98 business overhead on U.S. 231 south succumbed last year. That leaves just one set of coloured shields on overheads along U.S. 98 west at U.S. 231 of the two groupings.

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Title: Florida
Post by: florida on April 06, 2009, 11:29:19 AM
 :D Hope they never take them down.
Title: Florida
Post by: Bryant5493 on April 06, 2009, 11:37:21 AM
^^ I remember going to Florida, about ten years, and seeing the multi-colored US route signs. I wished I was into route signage back then. If I were, I'd have photographed them.


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Florida
Post by: CarlFox on April 16, 2009, 12:20:41 AM
Couple of new items from the Times-Union, this time in re: I-95...

Title: Florida
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 16, 2009, 10:20:02 AM
It's bad enough now at the I-10 interchange :-|  Fortunately I won't be on band trips to Disney or Miami by then since I will have graduated :nod: ;-)
Title: Florida
Post by: Norn-Iron on April 20, 2009, 11:35:32 AM
I just visited florida, and my i was heavily impressed by the quality of the roads, even the county routes (particularily Polk and hillsborough county). Although the speed limits are by far unreasonable.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on April 22, 2009, 06:45:15 PM
I was browsing the FL 61 page on here and Leon County 265 has been decommissioned south of US 27???

I drove through Jax on a trip up to NY last week, and the new Trout River bridge is nice (been about 4 years since I was up there, forgive me). The Clark Road, Owens Road, and FLA 108 overpasses have button-copy on them. Signs on SB I-95 are 'whited out' on the new alignment/bridge of I-95 (you still use the old one for now). Alt 1 (Emerson section) has a lot of old signals on it  :wow:

On 9A, there are no exit numbers, but two interchanges (US 90 and FL 10) have blank exit tabs on the signs. There's still a cutout FL 113 shield going NB.
Title: Florida
Post by: njroadhorse on April 22, 2009, 08:03:35 PM
When is 9A going to become I-295?
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on April 23, 2009, 08:58:22 PM
From what I have been told by someone at FDOT bids go out for signage for the eastern half of Interstate 295 in September with implementation of signing in early 2010.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on April 30, 2009, 06:26:55 PM
I was going through old road photos and does anyone have information on the Tupelo Parkway in Wewahitchka? On Gulf County 22 east of downtown, there is a plaque stating "The Tupelo Parkway designated by the 1967 (either that or '47?) legislature of Florida." It seems like it would have connected with Liberty County 22 in Sumatra, as there is a huge ROW going due east to the Owens Bridge area (no bridge crossing). Liberty County 22 continues eastward, though taking the route of FH 125 to Liberty County 67, but at the another intersection of CR 22 and CR 67, there is another huge ROW going west, undriveable, through the forest. This section of CR 22 goes east from CR 67 to the Ochlockonee River, where it dead ends, but it ties in perfectly with Wakulla County 22 west of Sopchoppy. It seems like it was going to be a more direct through route from Crawfordville/Sopchoppy to Panama City vs. US 98/US 319. I'm curious as to whether NIMBYs or the small coastal towns killed this road, and what its history is, but there is no information; even FDOT didn't get back to me on this.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on May 13, 2009, 11:54:10 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-alafaya-trail-528-access-051109,0,5727974.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-alafaya-trail-528-access-051109,0,5727974.story)

Alafaya Trail to get access to the BeachLine

6:43 PM EDT, May 11, 2009

Alafaya Trail, the once-rural road in east Orange County now overrun with harried commuters, should get some traffic relief because it will finally be linked to the BeachLine Expressway, Orange County Mayor Rich Crotty promised Monday.

Referring to Alafaya as "the county's biggest cul-de-sac," Crotty said construction of a 2-mile-long link to an existing interchange on the toll road, also known as State Road 528, could start within 90 days and be completed within 18 months.

"This is a very big announcement," he said.

Alafaya, which runs north-south, hosts a plethora of large housing developments, including Waterford Lakes and Avalon Park. Those developments' main connection to downtown Orlando and other employment centers is S.R. 408, another tollway, or crowded local roads such as Colonial Drive and Lake Underhill Road.

There is nothing to the south on Alafaya because the road stops within eyesight of the BeachLine, near Orlando Utilities Commission's power plants.

"It's frustrating. ... They can see the BeachLine, yet not get east-west access to it," Crotty said.

Suburban Land Reserve Inc., a sister company of Deseret Ranch, which is owned by the Mormon Church, will donate the land and pay for construction of what is being called the E-road. It will tie Alafaya in with the BeachLine at an interchange now serving a state prison processing center and International Corporate Park.

The link is expected to cost as much as $10 million. County officials will offset some of that by waiving impact fees; the amount of the waiver is still to be determined, but it could possibly be worth millions.

"We are also proud to be a part of the solution that will provide residents in the East Orange County communities with greater access and mobility options throughout Central Florida," Suburban Land said in a prepared statement.

Suburban Land stands to profit from the arrangement because the E-road would improve access to International Corporate Park, a long-dormant commercial-and-industrial development that the company purchased in September 2007. The Mormon Church also controls the Deseret Ranch, a 300,000-acre working cattle spread just to the east of ICP.

That ranch, which spans parts of Orange, Osceola and Brevard counties, will likely be developed in coming years as Orlando's urban core creeps farther outward. The Orange County Commission recently shelved a request by Suburban Land to extend the government boundary for urban services to include nearly 4,600 acres of its ranch. If it had been approved, it would have opened the door for Deseret to potentially build as many as 10,000 houses, apartments and condominiums.

The prison interchange, which was poorly designed and is lightly used, would never be able to handle the traffic generated by a development of such magnitude. That's why Suburban Land is close to completing another deal with the county and the Orlando Orange County Expressway Authority to build a full, $31 million interchange just to the west of the existing one. Construction would take two years.

A tentative agreement calls for Suburban Land to donate property and design work worth $12.5 million, while the county would spend $6 million and the expressway authority would chip in $12 million.

That interchange would also be a boon to a plan long championed by Crotty called Innovation Way -- a travel corridor that would link the University of Central Florida to the north with ICP to the south and Orlando International Airport and Lake Nona's "medical city" to the southwest.
Title: Florida
Post by: CarlFox on May 14, 2009, 12:51:57 AM
A couple new Jacksonville items...

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-05-12/story/outer_beltway_given_new_life_by_lawmakers (http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-05-12/story/outer_beltway_given_new_life_by_lawmakers)

QuoteThe Florida Department of Transportation delayed the project last year because of uncertainty about whether the state would charge property taxes on the beltway land. The state doesn't have the money to build the road and wants to hire a private contractor to build and maintain it while charging tolls – how much is yet to be determined – to recoup its investment.

The uncertainty appeared to end last week,  when the Legislature passed a bill that would exempt a private company from those taxes. Gov. Charlie Crist hasn't decided whether to sign the bill, spokesman Sterling Ivey  said.

Charles Baldwin,  the transportation department's district secretary, said the agency began meeting this week about hiring a private contractor.

Interesting development...oh, and they have finished the "exit" to Chaffee Road, and put up the BGS at the intersection of SR 23 (now the "Cecil Commerce Center Parkway" in Duval County, per the City's request; there's already signs near the I-10 interchange with the new name) and 103rd St (SR 134).  Chaffee's southern terminus is now SR 23 instead of 103rd St.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-05-12/story/baldwin_bypass_threatens_small_town_feel (http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-05-12/story/baldwin_bypass_threatens_small_town_feel)

QuoteThe Florida Department of Transportation has planned a bypass since the 1970s that would take traffic around Baldwin and over two separate railroad tracks. Dormant for years because the state never funded it, the project is now being studied by DOT, which is supposed to identify the best alternative.

U.S. 90 and U.S. 301 merge into one road for about a mile in downtown Baldwin, creating traffic congestion. Where the roads combine, daily traffic is 11,200 vehicles, an increase of several thousand vehicles from the traffic counts of both roads before they combine.

Two CSX railroad tracks also go through the downtown area, creating traffic backups when trains are going through.

A bypass would solve both problems. The state is looking at three separate options, with the cost of those options ranging from $86 million to $135 million. The study doesn't mean construction is imminent, because there's no money for it in the state's five-year plan. But it has support from U.S. Rep. Corrine Brown,  D-Fla., who is looking for federal money.

I had forgotten US 90 and US 301 duplexed in Baldwin...
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on May 14, 2009, 03:20:10 AM
QuoteI was browsing the FL 61 page on here and Leon County 265 has been decommissioned south of US 27???

That was according to the FDOT shape files and actually driving the road in late 2007. There was only one Leon County 265 shield IIRC east of Florida 61, and no signs until north of U.S. 27 at all. Someday I'll post a page on it with those photos too.

QuoteI had forgotten US 90 and US 301 duplexed in Baldwin...

I drove through Baldwin on U.S. 301 south in December 2006 and have photos of the short overlap too. U.S. 90 also has short cosignings with U.S. 221, U.S. 331, and U.S. 19 around the courthouse in Monticello.

Thanks for posting those Jacksonville area news articles. It appears there is hope for the First Coast Outer Beltway yet. Incidentally the 2010 American Map Company atlas (Geonova base) shows FL-23 as a short freeway leading south from Interstate 10 already.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on May 14, 2009, 03:56:51 AM
Travelers without Sunpass may use SR 414 starting tomorrow. The link between Hiawassee Road and OBT may open in less than two months.

http://www.oocea.com/Corporate/news/PressReleases.aspx?ID=121 (http://www.oocea.com/Corporate/news/PressReleases.aspx?ID=121)


NEW EXPRESSWAY OPENS TO ALL MOTORISTS
Posted By: Lindsay Hodges
Release Date:5/12/2009

Expressway Authority Announces the Full Opening of the SR 414 John Land Apopka Expressway
ORLANDO - The Orlando-Orange County Expressway Authority (OOCEA) will open State Road 414 John Land Apopka Expressway to all toll customers at noon on Friday, May 15, 2009. All on and off ramps of the SR 414 expressway will also open at this time. This new expressway extends from State Road 429 (Daniel Webster Western Expressway) to Maitland Boulevard at US 441. This is the first new, major Central Florida east-west corridor built in decades, and serves as a bypass around Apopka. It improves access to SR 429, Interstate 4, and employment centers such as the Maitland Center, while relieving congestion on US 441 and many local roads in the greater Apopka area.

Additionally, the SR 414 Coral Hills Main Toll Plaza and all tolled ramps on SR 414 are equipped with Express Lanes that enable E-PASS and SunPass customers to pay tolls electronically at the posted highway speed resulting in better, safer and faster travel on our system.

There will be some limited construction activities following the opening of SR 414. Motorists will be advised through signage on the roadway and alerts will continue to be sent. Final completion of the project is scheduled for early July 2009.

Portions of SR 414 opened in February to E-PASS and SunPass customers only. During this time, construction continued on the Coral Hills Main Toll Plaza and the ramp plazas and the portion of the expressway between Hiawassee Road and Maitland Boulevard at US 441.

The Orlando-Orange County Expressway Authority, established in 1963 by the Florida Legislature, is responsible for the planning, design, construction, operation and maintenance of a 105-mile limited-access expressway system to serve the metropolitan Orlando area. The Expressway Authority's system includes SR 414, SR 408 (Spessard L. Holland East-West Expressway), SR 528 (Martin B. Anderson Beachline Expressway), SR 417 (Central Florida GreeneWay) and SR 429 (Daniel Webster Western Beltway). The Expressway Authority was the first to bring Electronic Toll Collection to Florida with the inception of E-PASS in 1994. Today, there are more than 500,000 E-PASS transponders in use.
Title: Florida
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 02, 2009, 01:43:50 PM
Of course the infamous First Coast Outer Beltway moves forward thanks to legislation signed by Governor Charlie Crist  :-/ http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-06-01/story/crist_signs_outer_beltway_bill_in_jacksonville (http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-06-01/story/crist_signs_outer_beltway_bill_in_jacksonville)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on June 09, 2009, 04:44:41 AM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on June 02, 2009, 01:43:50 PM
Of course the infamous First Coast Outer Beltway moves forward thanks to legislation signed by Governor Charlie Crist  :-/ http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-06-01/story/crist_signs_outer_beltway_bill_in_jacksonville (http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-06-01/story/crist_signs_outer_beltway_bill_in_jacksonville)

Yay, another toll road to shell out money in order to clinch it.
Title: Florida
Post by: Tom on June 21, 2009, 10:48:18 AM
Thought this article would go along with this topic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Roads_in_Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Roads_in_Florida) :coffee:
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on June 21, 2009, 01:37:00 PM
Regarding that site, I'm always curious where they get their information (especially on county routes).
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on June 21, 2009, 07:04:02 PM
Find of the day:

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An old style directional mileage sign with white background and raised black lettering. Photo taken 06/21/09.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on June 21, 2009, 08:06:38 PM
I know where that's at!
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on June 21, 2009, 08:39:25 PM
I figured you would know where that is located!  :-P
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 21, 2009, 10:15:40 PM
gotta love that crazy Florida font that almost looks very neatly hand-printed.
Title: Florida
Post by: Hellfighter on June 21, 2009, 11:36:36 PM
Quick question, could I-10 get extended along FL-202 once it's completed?
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on June 22, 2009, 03:39:26 AM
Quote from: flaroadgeek on June 21, 2009, 08:39:25 PM
I figured you would know where that is located!  :-P

:-D Panhandle <3

Did you find the other one in the opposite direction at a certain intersection?


Quote from: Hellfighter on June 21, 2009, 11:36:36 PM
Quick question, could I-10 get extended along FL-202 once it's completed?

Not sure if 202 is up to interstate standards, and they might have to reformat the I-95 interchange but it would be a nice extension along with an equally nice interstate duplex.
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 22, 2009, 10:03:51 PM
Quote from: Hellfighter on June 21, 2009, 11:36:36 PM
Quick question, could I-10 get extended along FL-202 once it's completed?

The only way I could see that happening is if they where to completely redo the JTB (FL-202) interchange with I-95 into something like the Southern I-95/FL-9A/I-295 interchange.  And I don't think there is enought room to do that without buying a lot of ROW.
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on June 23, 2009, 06:26:04 PM
Quote from: florida on June 22, 2009, 03:39:26 AM
Did you find the other one in the opposite direction at a certain intersection?

No, I did not. I turned around just west of the sign and headed back north. After getting home I realized I should have continued west to the next intersection to clinch that particular road. Oh well, next time. Now you have me guessing where you are talking about.

Quote from: florida on June 22, 2009, 03:39:26 AM
Quote from: Hellfighter on June 21, 2009, 11:36:36 PM
Quick question, could I-10 get extended along FL-202 once it's completed?

Not sure if 202 is up to interstate standards, and they might have to reformat the I-95 interchange but it would be a nice extension along with an equally nice interstate duplex.


It does have interstate grade qualities for the most part and they are currently six-laning a good portion of it from Florida 115 east toward Florida A1A. And there are plans to semi-upgrade the JTB/Interstate 95 interchange: http://www.butler95.com/ (http://www.butler95.com/).
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on June 24, 2009, 04:55:52 AM
Quote from: flaroadgeek on June 23, 2009, 06:26:04 PM
Quote from: florida on June 22, 2009, 03:39:26 AM
Did you find the other one in the opposite direction at a certain intersection?

No, I did not. I turned around just west of the sign and headed back north. After getting home I realized I should have continued west to the next intersection to clinch that particular road. Oh well, next time. Now you have me guessing where you are talking about.

It was this:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FIM007034.jpg&hash=efa7efaf8b74691dd1b977a013dfdfabc4df3dee)
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on June 24, 2009, 06:36:00 PM
Yep. I was there, just on the other side!!!! Agh!! I had to make that left turn toward Argyle... :banghead:

Well, I will have to go and look at it in person soon...
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on June 24, 2009, 09:16:48 PM
At least you're close to it.
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on June 25, 2009, 09:29:57 PM
True. I will be making another trip so I can get my own picture of it...yeeessss...

Thanks for showing it to us!
Title: Florida
Post by: mightyace on June 26, 2009, 02:17:52 PM
Some news on the proposed Jacksonville outerbelt:

Florida DOT restarting concession procurement for Jacksonville Outer Belt (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4226)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on June 26, 2009, 03:03:48 PM
Quote from: flaroadgeek on June 25, 2009, 09:29:57 PM
True. I will be making another trip so I can get my own picture of it...yeeessss...

Thanks for showing it to us!

Not a problem at all! :nod:
Title: Florida
Post by: Tom on June 28, 2009, 10:19:52 AM
Wanted 2 share this attraction I found located on Fla. Hwy 50:
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/xmas/2.html (http://www.roadsideamerica.com/xmas/2.html) :coffee:
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on June 28, 2009, 02:01:49 PM
Quote from: Tom on June 28, 2009, 10:19:52 AM
Wanted 2 share this attraction I found located on Fla. Hwy 50:
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/xmas/2.html (http://www.roadsideamerica.com/xmas/2.html) :coffee:

Some of the streets are named after Santa's reindeer  :nod:
Title: Florida
Post by: Tom on July 02, 2009, 05:03:56 PM
Found these on You Tube (I drove over the bridge in 1983):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMjBGLxMdP4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMjBGLxMdP4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2CA-mLIJrg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2CA-mLIJrg) :coffee:
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 03, 2009, 07:33:48 PM
Speaking of this, my mother brought over hard-copy photos and there is one she (most likely) took of the new & improved Sunshine Skyway with a part of the old truss next to it before it was torn down.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 03, 2009, 07:48:01 PM
414 is open all the way to OBT, which is exit 9. There is a nice, tall viaduct you go over and you are able to see downtown Orlando from it while driving eastbound. The whole expressway is 6 lanes, and it's a nice 5 mile drive (if only the area will remain undeveloped). The western end at SR 429 slows to one lane WB, two EB with a 35 MPH speed limit; it ends at CR 437A with a blinker light(!!). There is construction immediately west of that intersection for an overpass. No access yet for NB 429 to EB 414 (you have to exit off CR 437A north to connect), nor is there any access for WB 414 to SB 429 (you have to take CR 437A south to connect). It is exit 31 on SB 429, and the off-ramp has a traffic signal stating "No Turns", so you exit off 429 and you are quickly thrusted onto 414 after passing the light; it's the same if you turn off of CR 437A onto 414, you cannot turn around until the next exit even though there is a signal.
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on July 03, 2009, 11:56:55 PM
Next time I go down to my parents I will have to look through some old photos because they have a couple of the old Skyway intact. I believe they were taken like a couple of months before the May 9th disaster.
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on July 04, 2009, 12:05:38 AM
Quote from: florida on June 24, 2009, 04:55:52 AM
Quote from: flaroadgeek on June 23, 2009, 06:26:04 PM
Quote from: florida on June 22, 2009, 03:39:26 AM
Did you find the other one in the opposite direction at a certain intersection?

No, I did not. I turned around just west of the sign and headed back north. After getting home I realized I should have continued west to the next intersection to clinch that particular road. Oh well, next time. Now you have me guessing where you are talking about.

It was this:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FIM007034.jpg&hash=efa7efaf8b74691dd1b977a013dfdfabc4df3dee)

Well, I took another road trip today to the east and thought I would share this with you, florida...

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The replacement for the raised black lettering on white background Argyle guide sign, along with a typical Walton County county road assembly. Photo taken 07/03/09.

As you can see, another great piece of Florida history gets removed in favor for this...
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 04, 2009, 12:24:23 AM
I smell pictures coming to this thread....
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 04, 2009, 12:38:05 AM
Walton County  :banghead:  :pan: You should see their "Florida State Line" sign at one of the county routes, or the "Church" sign.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 04, 2009, 01:56:21 AM
Here are some pictures:

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Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on July 04, 2009, 11:50:44 AM
On a trip to Mobile back in December 2008 we were about to cross the Florida/Alabama border when we saw an 18-wheeler hauling some of the guide signs for the TOLL 414! We thought it was pretty cool that we got to see them in transit, though it passed us so quickly we neglected to get a photograph... :no:
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on July 04, 2009, 11:51:35 AM
Next time I talk to the parents I will see if they can find those pics and send them my way... :nod:
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on July 04, 2009, 11:56:20 AM
Yeah, the signage in Walton County does not inspire....no....

Hopefully the guide sign at the other end (at Florida 81) does not get replaced any time soon. Luckily though we have it photographed several times.

I will have to check out the "Florida State Line" sign on my next trip through there. I cannot recall if I have seen their "church" sign... :confused:
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 04, 2009, 11:44:11 PM
It's quite amusing, it's a picture of a block/triangle house with what looks like a small cross in the roof.  :-D

On a side note, I-95 is 6-laned from SR 519 to SR 528 with work remaining down to CR 509 or further. There is a new overpass (and exit?) at Mile 188...could be a Pineda Causeway extension? At the SR 514 exit, they must've added an extra lane on the SB off-ramp, because there are overhead BGSs recognizing Brevard CR 514 along with SR 514 as opposed to the trailblazers for SR 514 that used to be at the ramp (those are gone). Exit 120 in Port St. Lucie is the Crosstown Parkway, and it's open from I-95 to the east (probably US 1). Seems like it's a limited access parkway with at-grade intersections. Also, one of the BGSs for Exit 129 (SR 70) has a button copy exit tab on it. 
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 05, 2009, 06:26:54 AM
Quote from: flaroadgeek on July 04, 2009, 11:50:44 AM
On a trip to Mobile back in December 2008 we were about to cross the Florida/Alabama border when we saw an 18-wheeler hauling some of the guide signs for the TOLL 414! We thought it was pretty cool that we got to see them in transit, though it passed us so quickly we neglected to get a photograph... :no:

I once raced one of the Trolleys for the T here in Pittsburgh on it's way South from Buffalo (at least I think it was coming from there after being built) to Pittsburgh on I-90/I-79. :sombrero:
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 05, 2009, 04:02:12 PM
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Title: Florida
Post by: Hellfighter on July 05, 2009, 05:39:02 PM
Quote from: florida on July 05, 2009, 04:02:12 PM
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What type of sign is that?  :confused:
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 05, 2009, 05:44:10 PM
It's one of the follies of Walton County  :spin: There's a small cross on the roof. 
Title: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on July 09, 2009, 11:01:20 AM
Quote from: flaroadgeek on July 04, 2009, 12:05:38 AM
The replacement for the raised black lettering on white background Argyle guide sign, along with a typical Walton County county road assembly. Photo taken 07/03/09.

As you can see, another great piece of Florida history gets removed in favor for this...
Scratch one stop off my list for December.  Thanks, Walton County.
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 09, 2009, 11:12:07 AM
does that white Florida State Line sign have buttons in it?  (The regular one, not the shitty Walton County product!)
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on July 09, 2009, 11:50:43 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 09, 2009, 11:12:07 AM
does that white Florida State Line sign have buttons in it?  (The regular one, not the shitty Walton County product!)

If that is the one near the state high point, then there are no buttons on it. I've seen it a couple of times myself.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 10, 2009, 03:21:46 PM
It is the one near the highest point, and Alex is right.

Title: Florida
Post by: thomasvista on July 13, 2009, 09:53:27 PM
Oh the relics of the Panhandle! Gadsden County has some ancient black-on-white signs like that, along with a couple of the old-school Florida shields. There's even a goofy NJ-style shield for SR 65 along CR 65B.
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 13, 2009, 10:19:20 PM
do you happen to have a photo of the Boring Circle Shield (tm)?
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 14, 2009, 12:50:35 AM
I have one in my collection. There is one other photo in the erroneous shields thread of SR 267 getting circle-ized.


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Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 14, 2009, 08:13:06 AM
the 65 is bad, the 267 is worse.  I forget where else I have seen a similar shield (rectangular blank, perfect circle inside, yielding extra left and right margins)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 14, 2009, 12:59:12 PM
There must be a lot of people who have a literal take on the job of signing roads. "Well, if it's a circle on the map, then..."
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 19, 2009, 01:06:35 AM
There are BBS up on SR 50 stating the widening from Semoran Bv/436 to Dean Road will be done by Summer 2010.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 20, 2009, 03:37:36 AM
Just skimming through the new report (7/7/09)...

-SR 5098 has been decommissioned.
-SR 812 has been commissioned on Hooker Highway between SR 715 and US 441 in Belle Glade.
-The street name for World Center Drive east of SR 535 states, "CR 536/World Center Drive", the first time that's been stated.
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 20, 2009, 09:15:09 AM
Quote from: florida on July 20, 2009, 03:37:36 AM
Just skimming through the new report (7/7/09)...

-SR 5098 has been decommissioned.
-SR 812 has been commissioned on Hooker Highway between SR 715 and US 441 in Belle Glade.
-The street name for World Center Drive east of SR 535 states, "CR 536/World Center Drive", the first time that's been stated.

I was just looking at the most current copy of the GIS Route files and noticed that US-98/301 Business in Dade City is still alive even after the decommissioning with the AASHTO.  According to the GIS, the main approaches are still on the books as the twin business routes.

From the looks of the data, it seems the Northern part ends @ Pond Ave, and the Southern part goes only as far as Southview Ave.  This also goes for the state route numbers 700 & 35.  Anybody have any reason why those small segments would still be on the books?

Also, it seems that US-98 has a GAP in Lakeland. :wow:  Somebody please tell me that they forgot the small segment there in the GIS.  I don't want to have to split up the US-98 @ the Clinched Highway site..... :banghead:

And florida (or anybody else), do you know of any "official" route logs besides what info on the routes I can get in the GIS files?

Also, any roadgeek that works on the FL State Highway pages on Wikipedia might want to go in and fix up the FL-30E (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Road_30E_(Florida)) page or even separate it from the FL-30A page.  The Route is still alive and well, but the wikipedia page says it's dead.  I decided to double check on this via StreetView (yes, they have it in that area) when I noticed it was still listed in the GIS files, and the route is posted.  Here's the Streetview view (http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=29.687132,-85.309026&spn=0,359.777012&z=13&layer=c&cbll=29.687132,-85.309026&panoid=y1mz5zGYS2Loj2-FVMXM7g&cbp=12,196.4,,0,2.37)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 20, 2009, 02:17:02 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 20, 2009, 09:15:09 AM
Quote from: florida on July 20, 2009, 03:37:36 AM
Just skimming through the new report (7/7/09)...

-SR 5098 has been decommissioned.
-SR 812 has been commissioned on Hooker Highway between SR 715 and US 441 in Belle Glade.
-The street name for World Center Drive east of SR 535 states, "CR 536/World Center Drive", the first time that's been stated.

I was just looking at the most current copy of the GIS Route files and noticed that US-98/301 Business in Dade City is still alive even after the decommissioning with the AASHTO.  According to the GIS, the main approaches are still on the books as the twin business routes.

From the looks of the data, it seems the Northern part ends @ Pond Ave, and the Southern part goes only as far as Southview Ave.  This also goes for the state route numbers 700 & 35.  Anybody have any reason why those small segments would still be on the books?

Also, it seems that US-98 has a GAP in Lakeland. :wow:  Somebody please tell me that they forgot the small segment there in the GIS.  I don't want to have to split up the US-98 @ the Clinched Highway site..... :banghead:

And florida (or anybody else), do you know of any "official" route logs besides what info on the routes I can get in the GIS files?

Also, any roadgeek that works on the FL State Highway pages on Wikipedia might want to go in and fix up the FL-30E (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Road_30E_(Florida)) page or even separate it from the FL-30A page.  The Route is still alive and well, but the wikipedia page says it's dead.  I decided to double check on this via StreetView (yes, they have it in that area) when I noticed it was still listed in the GIS files, and the route is posted.  Here's the Streetview view (http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=29.687132,-85.309026&spn=0,359.777012&z=13&layer=c&cbll=29.687132,-85.309026&panoid=y1mz5zGYS2Loj2-FVMXM7g&cbp=12,196.4,,0,2.37)

FDOT is like that when maintaining roads, they'll decommission a road, but still maintain the approaches. Other examples are SR 30B in downtown Pensacola which is an old alignment of an SR 30 spur on Gregory St, but Gregory St was realigned around the Civic Center, yet the old routing is still maintained (it's now Gregory Place or Plaza, can't remember), and SR 557.

That break in US 98 has always been shown as one ever since they realigned it 3-4 years ago. It is signed through. I don't know why they haven't connected it yet, but there is another "break" in Destin at the old alignment.

Wikipedia is crap when it comes to Florida State Routes. They list an SR 30A in Walton County when it is CR 30A, and they state that SR 800 runs west of US 1, which it does not. Don't expect much from them, it's probably several people doing overzealous updating. 30E is still very much alive.

Not sure if you know, but Business US 1 in St. Augustine has had its northern terminus truncated to the Castillo de San Marcos. It probably is signed as a through route for continuity.

I don't know of any "official" route logs except for the Fed-Aid report, but I would like to make one and keep it updated using the information they provide. And not on Wikipedia, they're such Nazis over there...stub this and stub that, this article needs cleaned up, you need to provde citations  :banghead: :ded: How am I supposed to write a 5 paragraph essay on an SR that is less than a mile long?

The Fed-Aid maps on FDOT's site are the best thing you can use to check for state routes because they update them every month during Hurricane Season (at least).
Title: Florida
Post by: thomasvista on July 20, 2009, 05:56:47 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 20, 2009, 09:15:09 AM
Quote from: florida on July 20, 2009, 03:37:36 AM
Just skimming through the new report (7/7/09)...

-SR 5098 has been decommissioned.
-SR 812 has been commissioned on Hooker Highway between SR 715 and US 441 in Belle Glade.
-The street name for World Center Drive east of SR 535 states, "CR 536/World Center Drive", the first time that's been stated.

I was just looking at the most current copy of the GIS Route files and noticed that US-98/301 Business in Dade City is still alive even after the decommissioning with the AASHTO.  According to the GIS, the main approaches are still on the books as the twin business routes.

From the looks of the data, it seems the Northern part ends @ Pond Ave, and the Southern part goes only as far as Southview Ave.  This also goes for the state route numbers 700 & 35.  Anybody have any reason why those small segments would still be on the books?

Also, it seems that US-98 has a GAP in Lakeland. :wow:  Somebody please tell me that they forgot the small segment there in the GIS.  I don't want to have to split up the US-98 @ the Clinched Highway site..... :banghead:

And florida (or anybody else), do you know of any "official" route logs besides what info on the routes I can get in the GIS files?

Also, any roadgeek that works on the FL State Highway pages on Wikipedia might want to go in and fix up the FL-30E (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Road_30E_(Florida)) page or even separate it from the FL-30A page.  The Route is still alive and well, but the wikipedia page says it's dead.  I decided to double check on this via StreetView (yes, they have it in that area) when I noticed it was still listed in the GIS files, and the route is posted.  Here's the Streetview view (http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=29.687132,-85.309026&spn=0,359.777012&z=13&layer=c&cbll=29.687132,-85.309026&panoid=y1mz5zGYS2Loj2-FVMXM7g&cbp=12,196.4,,0,2.37)

What GIS files are you looking at? The ones from FDOT's website are derived from the Roadway Characteristics Inventory (RCI), which I work with at District 4. Whatever the attribute data in the shapefiles say is pretty much correct, unless there are errors in RCI (which there are, it's not perfect).

I can provide you with official mileage of roads. Whenever I get some down time at work, I can get them for you.
Title: Florida
Post by: thomasvista on July 20, 2009, 05:59:17 PM
BTW, the FDOT shapefiles are updated monthly. Any changes in the RCI would be reflected in the shapefiles in the following month.
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 20, 2009, 11:17:13 PM
Quote from: thomasvista on July 20, 2009, 05:56:47 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 20, 2009, 09:15:09 AM
Quote from: florida on July 20, 2009, 03:37:36 AM
Just skimming through the new report (7/7/09)...

-SR 5098 has been decommissioned.
-SR 812 has been commissioned on Hooker Highway between SR 715 and US 441 in Belle Glade.
-The street name for World Center Drive east of SR 535 states, "CR 536/World Center Drive", the first time that's been stated.

I was just looking at the most current copy of the GIS Route files and noticed that US-98/301 Business in Dade City is still alive even after the decommissioning with the AASHTO.  According to the GIS, the main approaches are still on the books as the twin business routes.

From the looks of the data, it seems the Northern part ends @ Pond Ave, and the Southern part goes only as far as Southview Ave.  This also goes for the state route numbers 700 & 35.  Anybody have any reason why those small segments would still be on the books?

Also, it seems that US-98 has a GAP in Lakeland. :wow:  Somebody please tell me that they forgot the small segment there in the GIS.  I don't want to have to split up the US-98 @ the Clinched Highway site..... :banghead:

And florida (or anybody else), do you know of any "official" route logs besides what info on the routes I can get in the GIS files?

Also, any roadgeek that works on the FL State Highway pages on Wikipedia might want to go in and fix up the FL-30E (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Road_30E_(Florida)) page or even separate it from the FL-30A page.  The Route is still alive and well, but the wikipedia page says it's dead.  I decided to double check on this via StreetView (yes, they have it in that area) when I noticed it was still listed in the GIS files, and the route is posted.  Here's the Streetview view (http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=29.687132,-85.309026&spn=0,359.777012&z=13&layer=c&cbll=29.687132,-85.309026&panoid=y1mz5zGYS2Loj2-FVMXM7g&cbp=12,196.4,,0,2.37)

What GIS files are you looking at? The ones from FDOT's website are derived from the Roadway Characteristics Inventory (RCI), which I work with at District 4. Whatever the attribute data in the shapefiles say is pretty much correct, unless there are errors in RCI (which there are, it's not perfect).

I can provide you with official mileage of roads. Whenever I get some down time at work, I can get them for you.

I'm downloading the data from here: http://www.dot.state.fl.us/planning/statistics/gis/road.shtm (http://www.dot.state.fl.us/planning/statistics/gis/road.shtm)
Title: Florida
Post by: realjd on July 21, 2009, 11:14:27 AM
Quote from: florida on July 04, 2009, 11:44:11 PM
On a side note, I-95 is 6-laned from SR 519 to SR 528 with work remaining down to CR 509 or further. There is a new overpass (and exit?) at Mile 188...could be a Pineda Causeway extension? At the SR 514 exit, they must've added an extra lane on the SB off-ramp, because there are overhead BGSs recognizing Brevard CR 514 along with SR 514 as opposed to the trailblazers for SR 514 that used to be at the ramp (those are gone).

Did they finally open the new lanes north of SR-519? It's about time. And yes, they're going to 6-lane it all the way down to Palm Bay Rd (CR-516). The new exit will be the Pineda Causeway extension that they've been talking about for the past 20 years. They're finally getting around to building it.

I've always wondered about the Pineda Causeway's number. It's signed SR-404, but isn't anywhere near SR-50, let alone north of it! I wonder what they were thinking when they did that...
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 21, 2009, 12:12:51 PM
Quote from: realjd on July 21, 2009, 11:14:27 AM
Quote from: florida on July 04, 2009, 11:44:11 PM
On a side note, I-95 is 6-laned from SR 519 to SR 528 with work remaining down to CR 509 or further. There is a new overpass (and exit?) at Mile 188...could be a Pineda Causeway extension? At the SR 514 exit, they must've added an extra lane on the SB off-ramp, because there are overhead BGSs recognizing Brevard CR 514 along with SR 514 as opposed to the trailblazers for SR 514 that used to be at the ramp (those are gone).



Did they finally open the new lanes north of SR-519? It's about time. And yes, they're going to 6-lane it all the way down to Palm Bay Rd (CR-516). The new exit will be the Pineda Causeway extension that they've been talking about for the past 20 years. They're finally getting around to building it.

I've always wondered about the Pineda Causeway's number. It's signed SR-404, but isn't anywhere near SR-50, let alone north of it! I wonder what they were thinking when they did that...

Yep, it's 6-laned from SR 519 to SR 528. Since it'll be the extension, will the whole thing become SR 404 after it's completed? I think some numbers are outside of the grid to differentiate them as more important roads than other roads in the area, so you can identify them easier. SR 404 is a limited access freeway serving Patrick AFB while all the other 5xx numbers in the area are at grade roads. SR 573 is south of SR 60 in Tampa, but it serves MacDill AFB, as opposed to other 6xx routes in the area. SR 112 in Miami is a direct route to MIA.

Get ready to say bye to the oldest BGS in the area, down there.
Title: Florida
Post by: thomasvista on July 21, 2009, 11:17:36 PM
Few odds and ends......


Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on July 22, 2009, 02:56:17 AM
SR 30E is only signed with a junction shield from SR 30A southbound. No signage exists for it on CR-30A westbound, and I didn't notice any shielding on SR 30E leading away from the 30A combo either.

The shape files for FDOT do include a number of unsigned routes, and in Seminole, a handful of the 4000 series county roads. One change I noted from files last year and the ones from earlier this year is that they extended SR 750 west to SR 291 (still not signed in the field), and they readded CR-437A in Orange County.
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 22, 2009, 02:58:47 AM
Quote from: AARoads on July 22, 2009, 02:56:17 AM
SR 30E is only signed with a junction shield from SR 30A southbound. No signage exists for it on CR-30A westbound, and I didn't notice any shielding on SR 30E leading away from the 30A combo either.

Wish Google would go back there.  Those StreetView images are horrible with all that glare.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on July 22, 2009, 03:15:55 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 22, 2009, 02:58:47 AM
Quote from: AARoads on July 22, 2009, 02:56:17 AM
SR 30E is only signed with a junction shield from SR 30A southbound. No signage exists for it on CR-30A westbound, and I didn't notice any shielding on SR 30E leading away from the 30A combo either.

Wish Google would go back there.  Those StreetView images are horrible with all that glare.

Yes, they shot images during the morning in the Gulf/Franklin County areas and the images are glared to death.

Flaroadgeek and I drove there late last month and shot most of the junctions. Someday they'll get posted online...
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 22, 2009, 03:55:19 AM
Quote from: thomasvista on July 21, 2009, 11:17:36 PM
Few odds and ends......


  • The new interchange at I-95 and Becker Road in Port St. Lucie is confirmed to be Exit 114, not 113 like some sources I have found. Our design office confirmed this.
  • There was a proposed SR 881 in Boca Raton. Apparently, there was a proposal to bring the access road to the Boca Raton Airport on system, and 881 was the proposed number. I don't know what happened to the idea - some more paperwork will need to be dug up
  • There appears to never have been a record of Palmetto Park Road in Boca Raton ever being SR 798. No records for SR 798 (or CR 798 for that matter) exist in FDOT's RCI. However, Palmetto Park Road from US 1 to A1A is in fact "secret" CR 808.
  • Someone had asked a question about SR 710. It did have a former eastern terminus at US 1. However, it was transferred off system officially as of May 16, 2002, and was physically removed by the Port of Palm Beach.



Very interesting! I'm curious about SR 881. About SR/CR 798, FDOT county maps have had it shielded as a CR west to US 441, and I think I've got a map that shows it as an SR in a very short section east of I-95 (back in the 70s to early 80s).

Do you have any knowledge about "planning maps"? I have a set of maps for both primary and secondary systems which have planned and proposed routes along with maintained routes on them. They have a handwritten date stating, "Revised 11/28/87" (for example). There are also drawers full of maps of 4-di planned routes in the TSO in Tallahassee (and so many papers from the 1950s-1970s  :wow: ).

I gotta get a job at FDOT!  :-D


For SR 30E, there should be just one reassurance shield for westbound, there was nothing at the western terminus, just a pavement change (as of '04).
Title: Florida
Post by: thomasvista on July 22, 2009, 05:38:34 PM
I found out today that there is a secret route in Tallahassee........Raymond Diehl Rd between Thomasville Rd and Capital Circle is apparently SR 162, and was commissioned in August 2006. I can tell you that since that time, I never saw a shield along it's glorious 0.3 miles (I just moved from Tallahassee in May after living there for 7 years).

Capital Circle NE also has a couple of I-10 shields with the state's name on them. And SR 261 is signed (which is supposed to be secret), while US 319 plays second fiddle to it. District 3 seems be rather odd at times. Which would also explain the 30 and 30A saga.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 22, 2009, 06:08:02 PM
Quote from: thomasvista on July 22, 2009, 05:38:34 PM
I found out today that there is a secret route in Tallahassee........Raymond Diehl Rd between Thomasville Rd and Capital Circle is apparently SR 162, and was commissioned in August 2006. I can tell you that since that time, I never saw a shield along it's glorious 0.3 miles (I just moved from Tallahassee in May after living there for 7 years).

Capital Circle NE also has a couple of I-10 shields with the state's name on them. And SR 261 is signed (which is supposed to be secret), while US 319 plays second fiddle to it. District 3 seems be rather odd at times. Which would also explain the 30 and 30A saga.

District 3 said SR 162 was (or maybe would be) signed. This was back in '06 or '07.

There were trailblazers for SR 261/US 319 on CR 151 NB before it was widened, there could still be some on SR 162, and there was a dual reassurance shield south of US 90 for US 319/SR 261. I miss Tallahassee, it was very scenic up there.
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on July 22, 2009, 08:15:57 PM
Quote from: florida on July 22, 2009, 06:08:02 PM
Quote from: thomasvista on July 22, 2009, 05:38:34 PM
I found out today that there is a secret route in Tallahassee........Raymond Diehl Rd between Thomasville Rd and Capital Circle is apparently SR 162, and was commissioned in August 2006. I can tell you that since that time, I never saw a shield along it's glorious 0.3 miles (I just moved from Tallahassee in May after living there for 7 years).

Capital Circle NE also has a couple of I-10 shields with the state's name on them. And SR 261 is signed (which is supposed to be secret), while US 319 plays second fiddle to it. District 3 seems be rather odd at times. Which would also explain the 30 and 30A saga.

District 3 said SR 162 was (or maybe would be) signed. This was back in '06 or '07.

There were trailblazers for SR 261/US 319 on CR 151 NB before it was widened, there could still be some on SR 162, and there was a dual reassurance shield south of US 90 for US 319/SR 261. I miss Tallahassee, it was very scenic up there.

Well I was there in June and Florida 162 is not signed at this time. Most of the construction along at corridor was pretty much completed when I went through there and saw no indications for any signs. The only signs I saw were trailblazers for the 10 and the 319...
Title: Florida
Post by: lamsalfl on July 23, 2009, 12:15:08 AM
Just got back from a few days in Panama City Beach. 

Both directions took I-10 from Alabama to Crestview.  SR 85 south to Niceville.  Then a combination of SR 20 and Toll SR 293 to US 98 to PCB.

Quick notes: 

Loved how Old 98 is fully signed as SR 30 in PCB. 
US 98 from Destin to PCB is a great high speed road. 
Took a side trip to Gulf County... Parked my car at the Bay/Gulf Coutny line on US 98 and walked back and forth of the beach watching my cell phone's time keep changing time zones.  Yeah, I'm a time zone geek.  SR 30A is a fun little highway.  It's amazing how quiet the Forgotten Coast really is. 

US 98 t hrough Panama City takes forever to get through.  It's like 12 miles from St. Andrews Bay to Tyndall.  US 98 is also a mess from Gulf Breeze through Destin.  It's time for the Tpk people to take a look at a building a toll road from Avalon Blvd. area to Panama City.  In fact, with a quick eye,  there appears to be a way to extend this Emerald Coast Tpk through PAnama City.  My little plan is to route it into the city by way of the airport since that is moving.  Then I snake it east and south through some undeveloped land and "cheap" property.  In Okaloosa and Walton it would have to be north of the Choctawhatchee Bay.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 23, 2009, 03:19:07 AM
Quote from: lamsalfl on July 23, 2009, 12:15:08 AM
Just got back from a few days in Panama City Beach. 


Loved how Old 98 is fully signed as SR 30 in PCB. 

So they did sign old Alt 98 as SR 30? Was wondering about that.

Quote from: flaroadgeek on July 22, 2009, 08:15:57 PM
Well I was there in June and Florida 162 is not signed at this time. Most of the construction along at corridor was pretty much completed when I went through there and saw no indications for any signs. The only signs I saw were trailblazers for the 10 and the 319...

Maybe it'll be signed in the future  :poke:

(From an email to Tommie Speights):

"I was recently viewing the Fed-Aid Report and noticed that SR 162 (RaymondDiehl Road) has been added in Tallahassee. Is it signed or unsigned?

Signed"

Maybe he misunderstood the question?  :poke:

Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on July 23, 2009, 09:38:58 PM
Quote from: lamsalfl on July 23, 2009, 12:15:08 AM
Just got back from a few days in Panama City Beach. 

Both directions took I-10 from Alabama to Crestview.  SR 85 south to Niceville.  Then a combination of SR 20 and Toll SR 293 to US 98 to PCB.

Did you note the new mast arms on SR 85 through Eglin AFB?

Quote from: lamsalfl on July 23, 2009, 12:15:08 AM

US 98 t hrough Panama City takes forever to get through.  It's like 12 miles from St. Andrews Bay to Tyndall. 


Did you note that they ripped out the remaining segments of the original truss bridge over the bay east of the Dupont Bridge? If you don't remember it, its pictured here: http://www.southeastroads.com/florida090/us-098_wb_dupont_br_02.jpg (http://www.southeastroads.com/florida090/us-098_wb_dupont_br_02.jpg)

Quote from: florida on July 23, 2009, 03:19:07 AM

So they did sign old Alt 98 as SR 30? Was wondering about that.


There is only one U.S. 98 Alt shield remaining, at the Publix shopping center by the west end. The rest is fully signed as SR 30 now, including overhead guide signage.
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on July 23, 2009, 11:11:35 PM
Quote from: AARoads on July 23, 2009, 09:38:58 PM
There is only one U.S. 98 Alt shield remaining, at the Publix shopping center by the west end. The rest is fully signed as SR 30 now, including overhead guide signage.

And I took several pictures of it while I sat in the Publix parking lot for two blistering hot hours while waiting for a tow truck a month ago!!
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on July 23, 2009, 11:19:00 PM
Quote from: AARoads on July 23, 2009, 09:38:58 PM

Did you note the new mast arms on SR 85 through Eglin AFB?


Alex, you are incorrect. They will be span wire. I first noticed the support structures for the span wire as I made my way up to Crestview a few weeks ago. The future signal will serve a new entrance for the Duke Field complex. Though I am not 100% sure if the signal will be flashing or phased.  :eyebrow: 
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 24, 2009, 02:09:53 AM
Speaking of Niceville, what's the deal with SR 190 and SR 397? SR 190 is totally off the SHS, and so is SR 397 from SR 190 to SR 85.


And they're actually installing a span wire assembly in the Panhandle?? That must be one of the signs!  :evilgrin:

Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on July 25, 2009, 11:15:11 AM
Both routes are still fully signed (since I see them 5 days a week). That is interesting that both are off the SHS. Do you know how long they have been off the books?

And, yes, they are actually installing a span wire assembly up here. I think it will be a flasher though and not a full phased signal.

Title: Florida
Post by: thomasvista on July 25, 2009, 03:17:35 PM
Quote from: flaroadgeek on July 25, 2009, 11:15:11 AM
Both routes are still fully signed (since I see them 5 days a week). That is interesting that both are off the SHS. Do you know how long they have been off the books?

And, yes, they are actually installing a span wire assembly up here. I think it will be a flasher though and not a full phased signal.



I can check in our RCI system at work on Monday for official dates.
Title: Florida
Post by: lamsalfl on July 27, 2009, 03:27:11 PM
Does anyone know if the 4-laning is complete on SR 60 from the Turnpike to I-95??
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 28, 2009, 01:30:39 AM
Quote from: lamsalfl on July 27, 2009, 03:27:11 PM
Does anyone know if the 4-laning is complete on SR 60 from the Turnpike to I-95??

It has to be done, it's been about 4 years.


Went on a couple of road trips over the weekend to Melbourne and Lakeland.

Melbourne:
-US 192 is four-laned between St. Cloud and Melbourne. It bypasses the old alignment between Osceola CR 532 and CR 500A (Old Melbourne Hwy), and is a frontage road signed Alligator Lake West and Alligator Lake East with a break at a creek connecting Lake Lizzie and Alligator Lake. The bridge on the old alignment was dismantled and a pedestrian bridge was put in its place.
-The west end of the Pineda Causeway has been realigned at CR 509 and is shielded as a state route between CR 509 and US 1 (it previously was a county route). So...will it be state all the way to I-95? I assume it would since it will provide direct service to an AFB.
-There is still a cutout SR 404 shield on a BGS on SR 513 NB at the Pineda Causeway. The counterpart cutout SR 513 bgs shield on SR 404 has been replaced, probably after the '04 hurricanes.
-Only two shields for CR 511 were found, and CR 509 is only signed at US 192.
-SR 513 is being widened to add a center turn lane (it seems).
-There are old (non-keys) SR 518 shields on Pineapple Avenue south at Eau Gallie Blvd.
-A few intersections had "bee lights" on the span wires.
-Osceola CR 419 is one of the best signed routes in that county.

Lakeland:
-SR 548, the downtown bypass, is almost ready to open from US 98/Florida Ave to George Jenkins/Sloan Ave. It will have at-grade intersections with SR 563 just north of Peachtree Street and Lake Wire and SR 539 just north of SR 563, and be on a bridge over some railroad tracks. It would be nice if they signed it as SR 548 all the way to US 92 to get rid of that leg of SR 600.
-There is one colored shield left in a certain city in Polk County (last saw it in 2005). It is perplexing why they would have it at this certain intersection since it doesn't seem this road carried a state or county designation.
-There are still old overheads for US 17 on the old alignment through downtown Winter Haven.
-SR 655 is having some sort of construction on its northern terminus at US 92, so there are detour US 655 shields in place  :-D Every. Single. One.
-SR 620 has two shields on its northern end with the split-off with SR 655. The south end is still signed as SR 655.
-Hillsborough CR 39A is signed as State Route 39A, reassurances and all from I-4 to about SR 574......are they redesignating it as an SR since it's a truck route bypassing downtown Plant City? It's not on the county road system anymore as per the 2008 FHD CD.
-CR 39B has two shields on its route. (I like suffixed routes.)
-Old SR 33 and old SR 600 in downtown Lakeland have streetscaping done, complete with those ugly brick crosswalks. But the trailblazers on US 92 have not been changed and still show SR 33 as going south.
-Even though US 98 has been moved off of Lake Parker, it is not signed as SR 700 unlike what they did in Brooksville.
-Offbeat, there's a picturesque view on Clubhouse Road looking EB.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 28, 2009, 04:44:14 PM
Some pictures:
US 192/US 441 EB at Old US 192/441, just after CR 532.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FP7250073.jpg&hash=d3997d5aa4118a909a0bf9669d79b1fee00fff3b)
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Looking WB on the old route, with the pedestrian bridge in place of a vehicular bridge.
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WB at CR 500A, and Old US 192/441.
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Old turn lanes for CR 500A on the old route
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Kinda makes you glad they widened it.
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CR 534 east at US 192/441, they realigned the routing from that nasty curve.
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Holopaw, after the widening. The EB lanes (same direction of the camera shot) were the old roadbed.
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This sign is so old, it doesn't even reflect headlights at night. If they didn't paste the "Eau Gallie Blvd" sticker on it, you would not have a working advance sign.
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The new routing of the Pineda Causeway on CR 509.
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Cutout BGS on SR 513.
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Old SR 518 shields on Pineapple Ave. Why trailblazers on this road?
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Just incase you forget which way to escape Melbourne.
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State name shields on SR 519.
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Barton Blvd west at SR 519. Again, why trailblazers here?
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Michigan Ave west at SR 501. Third time, why a trailblazer here?
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SR 546 does get recognition  :biggrin:
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Is this one of the newest state routes to be added??
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Yay for suffixed routes! (If only Bay County would sign theirs.)
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Once upon a time, in a fictional land, US 55 did exist in Florida......and this is all that's left.
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Nice of you to still be standing!
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And the same for this!
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SR 620 gets recognized after ~8 years.
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For rickmastfan67, there's not really a break, if you don't consider it to be one  ;-)
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And looking west at the almost-completed extension of SR 548.
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Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 28, 2009, 05:25:52 PM
are there any new I-4 shields with state name?  I've seen them for just about every other route in Florida.  Also, any 110, 175, 375, 395?
Title: Florida
Post by: Alps on July 28, 2009, 07:24:34 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 28, 2009, 05:25:52 PM
are there any new I-4 shields with state name?  I've seen them for just about every other route in Florida.  Also, any 110, 175, 375, 395?
See the top of my I-4 page for one that's fairly new.
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 28, 2009, 07:30:05 PM
you mean the one at the very top of the page? 

I know who put the state name on there.  It sure wasn't FDOT.  Note that it hangs crooked!
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 28, 2009, 07:47:01 PM
None yet for I-4 unless work goes on at an interchange along it (not counting SR 44 because there haven't been any state name shields there since it was widened).
Title: Florida
Post by: Alps on July 28, 2009, 10:11:46 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 28, 2009, 07:30:05 PM
you mean the one at the very top of the page? 

I know who put the state name on there.  It sure wasn't FDOT.  Note that it hangs crooked!
Guess that answers that.  I've seen enough sloppy contractors to not be surprised though if it WERE original.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on July 28, 2009, 10:23:42 PM
Quote from: AlpsROADS on July 28, 2009, 10:11:46 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 28, 2009, 07:30:05 PM
you mean the one at the very top of the page? 

I know who put the state name on there.  It sure wasn't FDOT.  Note that it hangs crooked!
Guess that answers that.  I've seen enough sloppy contractors to not be surprised though if it WERE original.

There's only one shield left of his work, and it is the last remaining I-110 with Florida in it.

The I-4 Florida shield mentioned above was moved one block away, then replaced completely by early last year.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 29, 2009, 02:50:02 AM
Even more changes! Just read an email from FDOT.

SR 366, SR 371, SR 157 have all been decommissioned east of the FSU stadium. SR 366 and SR 371 now end at the intersection where they meet, leaving SR 363 as the last 3-di route "serving" downtown Tallahassee.

SR 742 has been added to Hilburn Ave between Creighton and Burgess.

The US 1/Skypass Bridge over the Port of Palm Beach is now state maintained.

A couple sections of SR 44 in Volusia County have been physically removed (and thus, deleted), with another new section added. Even the old routing of SR 414 at US 441 has been deleted, its paltry 0.247 miles  :biggrin:

No sign of SR 190/397 or the new alignment of US 192/441 in the updated report. I'll have to ask about that.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on July 29, 2009, 12:39:27 PM
Quote from: florida on July 29, 2009, 02:50:02 AM
Even more changes! Just read an email from FDOT.

SR 366, SR 371, SR 157 have all been decommissioned east of the FSU stadium. SR 366 and SR 371 now end at the intersection where they meet, leaving SR 363 as the last 3-di route "serving" downtown Tallahassee.


So SR 366 and 371 end at the stadium now? I liked the surface street routing of SR 371 and 366 east to downtown. Its hard to find downtown state highways anymore, so this is a bummer. SR 157's demise was pretty much necessary, since FSU redesigned some of their streets, severing the Woodward Avenue connection between SR 366 and U.S. 90.

Quote from: florida on July 29, 2009, 02:50:02 AM

SR 742 has been added to Hilburn Ave between Creighton and Burgess.


So the extension of Creighton west to Burgess is on hold indefinitely now?

Quote from: florida on July 29, 2009, 02:50:02 AM

A couple sections of SR 44 in Volusia County have been physically removed (and thus, deleted), with another new section added. Even the old routing of SR 414 at US 441 has been deleted, its paltry 0.247 miles  :biggrin:


This must refer to that section of old New York Avenue west of the revised Exit 118 interchange that was still in the state system as SR 44.

http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=29.017673~-81.241643&style=h&lvl=15&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1 (http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=29.017673~-81.241643&style=h&lvl=15&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 29, 2009, 01:30:16 PM
Quote from: AARoads on July 29, 2009, 12:39:27 PM
Quote from: florida on July 29, 2009, 02:50:02 AM
Even more changes! Just read an email from FDOT.

SR 366, SR 371, SR 157 have all been decommissioned east of the FSU stadium. SR 366 and SR 371 now end at the intersection where they meet, leaving SR 363 as the last 3-di route "serving" downtown Tallahassee.


So SR 366 and 371 end at the stadium now? I liked the surface street routing of SR 371 and 366 east to downtown. Its hard to find downtown state highways anymore, so this is a bummer. SR 157's demise was pretty much necessary, since FSU redesigned some of their streets, severing the Woodward Avenue connection between SR 366 and U.S. 90.


They were nice rides through downtown Tallahassee. And they do end at Stadium Drive and Lake Bradford intersection. Wish I could have seen the SR 366 bridge over the old RR tracks before they upgraded the stadium.

They weeded out SR 968 from downtown Miami, and killed its third leg in '06, SR 80 out of Fort Myers, SR 5 out of WPB. Tampa and Jacksonville haven't been that affected.
Title: Florida
Post by: thomasvista on August 01, 2009, 05:48:44 PM
Quote from: florida on July 29, 2009, 02:50:02 AM
Even more changes! Just read an email from FDOT.

SR 366, SR 371, SR 157 have all been decommissioned east of the FSU stadium. SR 366 and SR 371 now end at the intersection where they meet, leaving SR 363 as the last 3-di route "serving" downtown Tallahassee.

SR 742 has been added to Hilburn Ave between Creighton and Burgess.

The US 1/Skypass Bridge over the Port of Palm Beach is now state maintained.

A couple sections of SR 44 in Volusia County have been physically removed (and thus, deleted), with another new section added. Even the old routing of SR 414 at US 441 has been deleted, its paltry 0.247 miles  :biggrin:

No sign of SR 190/397 or the new alignment of US 192/441 in the updated report. I'll have to ask about that.

The Skypass Bridge has been a source of contention at work at the FDOT District 4 planning office. We transferred the section of US 1 to the Port of Palm Beach back in 2001, but apparently it was forgotten that we were granted "air rights" - meaning that old, at-grade part of US 1 that is now used for port storage, belongs to the port, but the elevated structure that carries US 1 belongs to FDOT. I received a nice packet of documentation confirming this a couple of weeks ago, and we just updated our RCI database to re-add this mileage as part of US 1.

I am really surprised about the deletion of SR 366 in Tally. I knew 371 was transferred as part of the Gaines Street project that the city is doing (complete idiocy if you ask me, but that's another story).

We received confirmation last week that Wilton Manors is not interested in taking over their portion of SR 811. Once the proposal to transfer the road to them reached the City Manager's office, he killed it, giving lack of money of the city as the reason in the email correspondence. We are still actively pursuing the transfer of the remaining sections of 811, particularly to Broward County and Oakland Park.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 01, 2009, 07:17:27 PM
Thomasvista, what is the Gaines Street project that Tally's doing? Are they adding in parking spots and reducing the road to two lanes (a la Edgewater Drive in Orlando)?

Is FDOT trying to delete ALL of SR 811 in Broward County? Or just a certain section?
Title: Florida
Post by: thomasvista on August 01, 2009, 09:55:04 PM
Quote from: florida on August 01, 2009, 07:17:27 PM
Thomasvista, what is the Gaines Street project that Tally's doing? Are they adding in parking spots and reducing the road to two lanes (a la Edgewater Drive in Orlando)?

Is FDOT trying to delete ALL of SR 811 in Broward County? Or just a certain section?

Yep, that's exactly what they're doing to Gaines......reducing lanes, adding on street parking to $timulate businesses to move there and create an 18-hour entertainment district. In other words, they're spending big money to try to make Gaines Street become what Midtown Tallahassee became without any intervention. Yeah, if I had a business that catered to an upscale clientele, I'd be the first to move to Gaines Street  :eyebrow:

The intent is to transfer all of 811 in Broward. I'm not sure what the rationale behind it is though. I *think* (and this is just an educated guess) that FDOT probably thinks that whenever the FEC project takes off, the cities are going to want to redevelop around it, and since 811 is smack next to the FEC line, the cities will want to do pedestrian-flavored things to it, eliminating its usefulness as a major arterial. I say this because this is the same reason that Olive Ave & Dixie Hwy in WPB was transferred off the system.

Now I'm not in on the latest news and status regarding the FEC project, but I know the people who are. I'm actually rooting for this project, but it's many years off, so I don't know why we're such in a big rush to get rid of 811. Roadway transfers can take time to complete once they're proposed (the Dixie/Olive transfers are not complete, and they started back in 99), so maybe that's why they're starting now with 811, to get a head start before the FEC project is up and running.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 02, 2009, 01:11:09 PM
Quote from: thomasvista on August 01, 2009, 09:55:04 PM
Quote from: florida on August 01, 2009, 07:17:27 PM
Thomasvista, what is the Gaines Street project that Tally's doing? Are they adding in parking spots and reducing the road to two lanes (a la Edgewater Drive in Orlando)?

Is FDOT trying to delete ALL of SR 811 in Broward County? Or just a certain section?

Yep, that's exactly what they're doing to Gaines......reducing lanes, adding on street parking to $timulate businesses to move there and create an 18-hour entertainment district. In other words, they're spending big money to try to make Gaines Street become what Midtown Tallahassee became without any intervention. Yeah, if I had a business that catered to an upscale clientele, I'd be the first to move to Gaines Street  :eyebrow:

The intent is to transfer all of 811 in Broward. I'm not sure what the rationale behind it is though. I *think* (and this is just an educated guess) that FDOT probably thinks that whenever the FEC project takes off, the cities are going to want to redevelop around it, and since 811 is smack next to the FEC line, the cities will want to do pedestrian-flavored things to it, eliminating its usefulness as a major arterial. I say this because this is the same reason that Olive Ave & Dixie Hwy in WPB was transferred off the system.

Now I'm not in on the latest news and status regarding the FEC project, but I know the people who are. I'm actually rooting for this project, but it's many years off, so I don't know why we're such in a big rush to get rid of 811. Roadway transfers can take time to complete once they're proposed (the Dixie/Olive transfers are not complete, and they started back in 99), so maybe that's why they're starting now with 811, to get a head start before the FEC project is up and running.

:-D :-D Gaine$ $treet $timulation. They will have to beautify it quite a bit to lure anyone there. I wonder iif they'll force that library bar to move.

Thanks for the info about 811. I wasn't sure if they were going to delete it from Sunrise Blvd to Oakland Park Blvd or all of it. If they do redevelopment in the future, I hope they don't sever all the east-west SRs in the process (like SR 820, SR 842 and SR 806).

Title: Florida
Post by: thomasvista on August 02, 2009, 08:28:44 PM
QuoteThanks for the info about 811. I wasn't sure if they were going to delete it from Sunrise Blvd to Oakland Park Blvd or all of it. If they do redevelopment in the future, I hope they don't sever all the east-west SRs in the process (like SR 820, SR 842 and SR 806).

No I seriously doubt that will happen. The e/w state roads would serve the stations, and thus function as SIS connectors, making them more important.
Title: Florida
Post by: realjd on August 02, 2009, 09:21:19 PM
Quote from: florida on July 21, 2009, 12:12:51 PM
Yep, it's 6-laned from SR 519 to SR 528. Since it'll be the extension, will the whole thing become SR 404 after it's completed? I think some numbers are outside of the grid to differentiate them as more important roads than other roads in the area, so you can identify them easier. SR 404 is a limited access freeway serving Patrick AFB while all the other 5xx numbers in the area are at grade roads. SR 573 is south of SR 60 in Tampa, but it serves MacDill AFB, as opposed to other 6xx routes in the area. SR 112 in Miami is a direct route to MIA.

Get ready to say bye to the oldest BGS in the area, down there.

You mean the SR-518 sign on I95? That thing is ancient. As for the Pineda Causeway, those SR404 signs along Wickham aren't new. They've been there for years. I haven't ever seen it signed as a county road. They're a weird non-standard state shield though, and I'll bet it wasn't FDOT that put them up. That makes sense that they would use non-standard numbers for important roads. It gets confusing with all the 5xx roads around here! I heard somewhere that they're considering (long term) extending Pineda all the way out to Orlando. It may have been in the OOCEA 50 year plan or something. They're also planning on building a new road along the west edge of Brevard (the St. John's Heritage Parkway) that will circle Palm Bay, run west of I95, connect to an extended Ellis Road (with a new I95 interchange), and end up connecting to the Pineda. The newspaper also has been saying that they're planning on building a new interchange at Grant Rd, but I'm not holding my breath on either of those any time soon.

CR516 (Palm Bay Road) is currently being widened and is a complete mess, and SR507 (Babcock) is being repaved from Palm Bay Road to Malabar Road (SR514) even though the old pavement was in great shape.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 03, 2009, 03:02:58 PM
Quote from: realjd on August 02, 2009, 09:21:19 PM
Quote from: florida on July 21, 2009, 12:12:51 PM
Yep, it's 6-laned from SR 519 to SR 528. Since it'll be the extension, will the whole thing become SR 404 after it's completed? I think some numbers are outside of the grid to differentiate them as more important roads than other roads in the area, so you can identify them easier. SR 404 is a limited access freeway serving Patrick AFB while all the other 5xx numbers in the area are at grade roads. SR 573 is south of SR 60 in Tampa, but it serves MacDill AFB, as opposed to other 6xx routes in the area. SR 112 in Miami is a direct route to MIA.

Get ready to say bye to the oldest BGS in the area, down there.

You mean the SR-518 sign on I95? That thing is ancient. As for the Pineda Causeway, those SR404 signs along Wickham aren't new. They've been there for years. I haven't ever seen it signed as a county road. They're a weird non-standard state shield though, and I'll bet it wasn't FDOT that put them up. That makes sense that they would use non-standard numbers for important roads. It gets confusing with all the 5xx roads around here! I heard somewhere that they're considering (long term) extending Pineda all the way out to Orlando. It may have been in the OOCEA 50 year plan or something. They're also planning on building a new road along the west edge of Brevard (the St. John's Heritage Parkway) that will circle Palm Bay, run west of I95, connect to an extended Ellis Road (with a new I95 interchange), and end up connecting to the Pineda. The newspaper also has been saying that they're planning on building a new interchange at Grant Rd, but I'm not holding my breath on either of those any time soon.

CR516 (Palm Bay Road) is currently being widened and is a complete mess, and SR507 (Babcock) is being repaved from Palm Bay Road to Malabar Road (SR514) even though the old pavement was in great shape.

Yeah, that's the sign. I wish they would just retrofit it onto an overhead after I-95 is widened. There's one JCT shield left on NB Wickham at the Old Pineda intersection that has a "sharp" image of Florida, but newer semi-normal ones sprang up at the New Pineda intersection, along with a WB reassurance shield after the RR tracks. The latter is contractor-erected because there was no reassurance shield before the realignment and subsequent resurfacing.

The non-standard numbers is just my theory. But, they are also used if a certain numerical bracket has no more usage.

It would be great for a road semi-directly connecting Melbourne Viera and Orlando. There are only four crossings from Brevard County to points westward, and that's supposed to serve 71 north-south miles of residents living there.

Also an exit to break up the 17-mile wilderness would be nice. Would hate to think if a tourist missed the Palm Bay exit only to drive an extra 34 miles to make it up.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on August 04, 2009, 06:34:21 PM
Jacksonville road construction shows no sign of ending

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-08-01/story/jacksonville_road_construction_shows_no_sign_of_ending (http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-08-01/story/jacksonville_road_construction_shows_no_sign_of_ending)
Title: Florida
Post by: mpgarr on August 04, 2009, 07:39:34 PM
I would sure like for that project to happen--it'd be great to by-pass Starke. I am sure though that some locals would go out there and set up Boiled P-nut stands---got to have me some Boiled P-nuts while I drive along 301!
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 14, 2009, 11:53:42 PM
Hey guys, I'm curious here, which type of the FL Toll shield is used the most?  The one with the orange shape of FL in the shield, or the black state shape?
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on August 15, 2009, 12:57:14 AM
The black one is used the most. From what we have seen the OOCEA tends to post the most orange outline shields, though, a few FDOT orange outline stragglers appear, such as this FL 293 Toll shield (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19912932t302930.jpg) in Okaloosa County.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 15, 2009, 02:18:00 AM
Black 408 shields have been popping up down here. All the 414 shields are orange, though. 528 is a mix of both.
Title: Florida
Post by: lamsalfl on August 18, 2009, 02:01:52 AM
I prfer the orange ones.  Gives the sign a little more "oomf" kinda like driving on 2-lane roads for a while you are dying to see and rejoice when you finally see a red, white, and blue sign ahead.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 18, 2009, 05:59:28 AM
I'm scouring through the photographic archives, and it seems the first type of signage for the Secondary Routes when they first came out, were yellow(?) diamond shields. The "S" was at the top, and the number was across the middle. Two pictures have confirmed this (one for S-250, the other for S-466A). They were probably used briefly in 1955, until the keys shield was used for them.
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 18, 2009, 01:47:58 PM
can you post the links to these photos?

thanks!
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 18, 2009, 02:04:07 PM
I saved the pictures, but will upload them on here, plus a few other goodies. (Of course, giving the link.)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 19, 2009, 03:15:18 AM
These are from http://www.floridamemory.com/PhotographicCollection/ (http://www.floridamemory.com/PhotographicCollection/)

On I-75, Fla 470 is no more.
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This one had the tag of SR 700 and US 92.
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Business 1 and A1A in St. Augustine
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Gulf Breeze 1960, just after SR 399
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Clearwater Causeway
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After the unveiling of a road sign for an I-75 dedication.
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Self-explanatory
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(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2Fus27atsr60.jpg&hash=c10e86e03a2f4e213d423a22742f92192e870aae)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2F1987SR401.jpg&hash=674ccea0f8f5c48659b5c3eb28e01d84f1e5c789)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2F1985.jpg&hash=22eb5609d8d9dce4d2dbc0d34c88442998636f84)

SR 44 east at US 17/US 92/SR 40 back when SR 40 was not built between Barberville and Ormond Beach, so it went south on US 17 and east along current SR 44 to New Smyrna Beach.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2F44eastat1560040.jpg&hash=0ef522baff30abc2c3be5c07207acd73371cf8f3)


US 98 east at US 19/27/Alt 27 in Perry. Nice cutouts! No clue on the huge US 98 shields.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2Fus98eastinperry.jpg&hash=112325220cb407c3493d74af83b849203e615bbe)

SR A1A on Volusia Ave (International Speedway Blvd) at Beach Street, before US 92 was extended to the beachside, and before the old causeway-type extension was built. You had to make a left on Beach, and a right onto Broadway (one block north of Bay Street) to cross the bridge.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2Fvolusiaaveeastatbeachst.jpg&hash=ca52a20559b1d555a139322d5a21bb669463aa88)


In Tallahassee on Perry Highway(?) west at US 319 (think it was before Apalachee Parkway was opened).
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2Fwestfromcalhounintersectiontocapito.jpg&hash=94577d9789acdc72bffced9333c3fbaa748a8613)

North split of US 27/US 319 in Tallahassee.
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US 41 and US 129 split off in the early 50s.
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(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FSR251953.jpg&hash=e90d006fa2816c57c8a3176f56f5f8d4d9528543)

Colonial Drive east at Orange Avenue (1955)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2Forlando1955.jpg&hash=e1afbab80f395c04c1406a8a1c6f74229645b6fd)

SR 50 at US 27
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FSr50atUS27.jpg&hash=331bb97d6c525e491f80d1c48daf92f6ecb44c82)

SR 20 east at US 90
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Part of the SR 55 sign in Greenville (just before it was numbered US 221).
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2Fsr10ingreenville2.jpg&hash=2747490bcc6328b6597d18ad673c62ce9aae779c)

US 27 at US 98 in Highlands County
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2Fsr25highlandscounty2.jpg&hash=e1f1cb8233261ea18f09a8b06593e03ef7bb7f6b)

The Secondary Route diamond signs (others posted in old signs thread). This one is for S-399 in Gulf Breeze. How calm it was back then.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FS-399ingulfbreeze.jpg&hash=9f4237a5a8026a777cb7bbfb0b836de1bd79d62d)

S-437A in Apopka
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S-434
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S-373 in 1976.
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US 27 in Lake County.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2Fus27lakecounty.jpg&hash=fb0ffa33c62427bf3d2f13d3f44afe2dfac880db)

S-101A in Duval County
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US 17 and SR 40 duplexing in DeLand....but...SR 11 triplexed with them too?? Maybe SR 11 was signed down to US 92 (Int'l Speedway Blvd)??
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Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 19, 2009, 01:12:20 PM
amazing stuff.  Especially the white-square shields, which I had never seen an example of previously.  That must've been the standard between the cutouts with FLORIDA/US embossed and number printed on, and the colored 24" shields.

no idea either on that 98 that appears to be colored, but not the usual white/black scheme.  Maybe an earlier color scheme before they finalized everything?

for some of these, I'm almost tempted to shell out the ten bucks for a high-resolution scan.  A nice example of an S- route in a diamond would be good to have, as would some of the cutouts, and at least one white square. 
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 19, 2009, 02:29:54 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 19, 2009, 01:12:20 PM
amazing stuff.  Especially the white-square shields, which I had never seen an example of previously.  That must've been the standard between the cutouts with FLORIDA/US embossed and number printed on, and the colored 24" shields.

no idea either on that 98 that appears to be colored, but not the usual white/black scheme.  Maybe an earlier color scheme before they finalized everything?

for some of these, I'm almost tempted to shell out the ten bucks for a high-resolution scan.  A nice example of an S- route in a diamond would be good to have, as would some of the cutouts, and at least one white square. 

The white square shields reminded me of Virginia (didn't they use them there too?). A couple of the photos, with them, it seems they're shaded some color versus the white on the outer edge of the shield.

The 98 shield could also be from when it was extended to Perry and south?

The S-250 diamond was the clearest one available, followed by the S-179A and one other. There is also a photo of S-466A (lots of the photos were looking down the roads) and you can see the back sides of both the US 27 and US 441 cutouts, but I didn't post it since it wasn't that important.
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 19, 2009, 02:46:49 PM
actually could you please post the 27/441?  I want to see what is embossed on them, if I can (it may be too low-res but it's worth a try).  Florida was using cast aluminum shields in the late 1940s, with FLORIDA and US cast in with a square font, and the number printed on, first in square fonts and then in round.  The back of this shield is completely flat:

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/FL/FL19480982i1.jpg)

(Don't believe I've seen a state shield of this type, just two US'es)

They then switched to embossed steel, with round fonts.  The backs of these shields have the reversed design, incuse, as expected for embossing.

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/FL/FL19503011i1.jpg)

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/FL/FL19520001i1.jpg)

then to the 24" shields around 1955: the classic Keys state shields, and the white square US shields.  They went with the colors in 1956.

so it would be nice to see if some of those cutouts were cast or embossed, and with square or round fonts.  At this level of detail, I am not able to discern whether FLORIDA/US is in square or round.  As I've mentioned, I'm tempted to throw down a few bucks for some high-res scans.  One good example of an S-, one good example of a white square, and all the cutouts for further research.

oh, and regarding the difference in shading on the white squares.  The shield itself may have had a layer of reflective sheeting, while the background did not.  Note the 98 cutout has the reflective sheeting only over "US" 98 and the 301 has it only over "FLORIDA" and "US 301".  So they were being economical.  The silver scotchlite tends to show up a bit darker than non-reflective white, except when lit directly for the retroreflective effect to kick in.

One last note: the white squares were used everywhere.  They were in the 1948 MUTCD for freeway and junction use, with the state/US cutout to be used only as reassurance.  I have a white square US 12 sitting on my floor that is from Indiana, and if I thought about it carefully I could name examples from at least 10 other states.  South Dakota comes to mind.  Missouri.  Virginia as you mentioned.  West Virginia.  Massachusetts.  Oklahoma.  etc.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 19, 2009, 04:22:10 PM
Found some other pictures, including two clearer photos of the diamond shields. Regarding other photos I have posted, the US 90 BGS, the US 27/SR 60 overheads and the County Line Road button copy BGS have no confirmed dates on them. The S-373 picture is from the Tallahassee Fire Dept.

S-229
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S-127
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2Fs-127.jpg&hash=57ee26aec863fa988c9828c4cdc4d7a5dc249dd3)

This is Charles Barron's picture from 1960.
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US 1 at the Bahia Honda Bridge.
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SR 30A at US 98 in Bay County, somewhere around Phillips Inlet and the Hathaway Bridge.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2F30awestatUs98.jpg&hash=f5a9c51923a9ee279231b2f2d231a2ce1e3bb2e3)

SR 100 at US 301 in Starke with a white shield US 301 sign.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2F301100stark.jpg&hash=f466b8518346ee83126293a1a9fcfc767555480e)

FHP is helping out Lois Giddens (this is under General Collection...no author)
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This is Carolyn Rae Sandgren (listed under Department of Commerce...no author). This is also before the 1946 renumbering.
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Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 19, 2009, 04:33:04 PM
Couldn't find the S-466A picture, I might not have saved it, but here is one from SR 18 with US 41/441 cutouts facing away.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2Fsr18.jpg&hash=9e2912c3f1016bbb7409249d1865ebf001772bd8)
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 19, 2009, 04:48:21 PM
the 41/441 is alas too small for me to make a determination.

as for "before 1946's renumbering"???  that can't be right!  those are 1948 FHWA fonts.  Also those look like 24x24 shields.  that must be 1955 or after.

which of course fails to explain why FL-1 is signed there.  Verrrry interesting.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 19, 2009, 04:54:02 PM
They were dated 1946....it's a huge mystery  :nod:

Maybe they could not get around to completely renumbering the routes until 1949...or at least mid 1948.
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 19, 2009, 05:10:15 PM
those 24" shields may very well date back to 1948.  The MUTCD did specify big white squares for intersections.  Doesn't explain, though, why Florida would choose to emboss its smaller shields.  Using up the last batch of cast-aluminum blanks makes sense, but to make up new embossed blanks with the new round fonts does not.

I cannot tell if the 16" Keys shield below the square-font US 90 is flat or embossed ... no shadows to indicate embossing but there are no shadows on the 90 either, which I am quite sure has at least the FLORIDA and US embossed or cast.

what's also interesting is that the 24" keys shield is a different style.  More keys, smaller size. 

I think the only person that really knows when these photos were taken is Carolyn Rae Sandgren!  Maybe she knows how old she was, and thus what year the photos are from.  1948 or maybe 1949 seems to be the most reasonable option.
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 19, 2009, 06:24:35 PM
Awesome a$$ pictures!!! I spent like 20 minutes drooling over all these sweet old pictures of how Florida roads and shields used to look. It is quite a shame that both aspects are long gone, for the most part. Luckily we still have some reminders of Florida's past, but those are few and far between.

By the way, I instantly recognized where that S-434 picture was taken, since I lived right near there when I lived in Orlando!! That picture was taken at the intersection with current Ronald Reagan Parkway (Seminole County 427).
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 19, 2009, 07:25:06 PM
There are some funky custom fonts, which have no explanation.

Here are some examples, this is on Bennett Road south at SR 50 here in Orlando.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FP8030348.jpg&hash=72052c004bade58e665edb792b77d8250b55857a)

Gadsden County on CR 65B (south of Quincy). This one looks like the SR 44 & Clara Ave intersection picture.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FIM006522.jpg&hash=ba104b464abcb2b96d17f16f15a9a240cebae79c)

This was in Clearwater. There are three key 'blobs'.
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Do states get new MUTCD compliances a bit early? So they could ready themselves for changes. It does sound like FL to use up stock (like with the colored shields). There are many variants to the SR shields here. I'd like to dig deeper and find out when they were phased in/out.
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 19, 2009, 07:33:51 PM
the 50 pair and the 267 have the many keys.  Any idea what the date stamps on the back may be?  those could very well be early 1950s shields.

the 60 with keys *and* a black square outline ... that I have no idea; it may be a county or town job because I don't think the state of Florida used that standard.  I believe they went from the borderless keyed markers to the bordered keyless ones in 1977 with no intermediate style.
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 20, 2009, 10:28:49 PM
I just wanted to say that that little girl (Carolyn Rae Sandgren) got around back in the day... :-o lol

I spent some time looking at the website you linked us, florida, until our cable and internet went out. But I will say I had an enjoyable time looking at all the old photos :)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 21, 2009, 01:54:08 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 19, 2009, 07:33:51 PM
the 50 pair and the 267 have the many keys.  Any idea what the date stamps on the back may be?  those could very well be early 1950s shields.

the 60 with keys *and* a black square outline ... that I have no idea; it may be a county or town job because I don't think the state of Florida used that standard.  I believe they went from the borderless keyed markers to the bordered keyless ones in 1977 with no intermediate style.

I can check the 50, but the 267 is a bit too far.  Maybe one of our Panhandle roadgeeks could check it the next time they're in the area  ;-)

I got to thinking about it last night, and those shields could have well been there (maybe an early form of carbon-copying?) in 1948 in time for that year's MUTCD to come out. Things could have changed the next year or by 1950, because those small SR shields with FLORIDA on them were on other pictures dated up until the mid-1950s. There are county maps with a revised date of 1946, showing the original renumbering, but they were delayed in being signed in the field....just like with US highways. It just makes sense.


Quote from: flaroadgeek on August 20, 2009, 10:28:49 PM
I just wanted to say that that little girl (Carolyn Rae Sandgren) got around back in the day... :-o lol

I spent some time looking at the website you linked us, florida, until our cable and internet went out. But I will say I had an enjoyable time looking at all the old photos :)

She was lucky! What it would have been like to travel around back in the 30s and 40s, and see those defunct routes. There's a good two+ hours of searching through them. Some were labelled as FDOT Box 1 and Box 2....there must be more boxes. Did you see the pictures of 2-lane US 1 south of Miami?  And the small slab of pavement for the S-routes? :-D
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 21, 2009, 04:15:59 PM
the 1948 MUTCD specified big shields for junctions, little ones for reassurance.  So that 50 junction is signed correctly by 1948 standards.  Please do check if they have a date stamp on the back!
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 21, 2009, 06:08:38 PM
QuoteI can check the 50, but the 267 is a bit too far.  Maybe one of our Panhandle roadgeeks could check it the next time they're in the area

On my trip to Fort Myers back in June I went right by this sign but did not have a chance to snap a picture or even get out of the car (too many questionable people around at the time). Next time I am in that area though I will definitely look :)

As far as those 50 shields in Orlando, I think those are obvious mistaken replacements. There actually use to be standard shields at that intersection! And when was that photo taken, as I notice the empty building at being an old Uno Chicago Grill that I ate at twice while I lived in Orlando. I do not remember those set of shields (with the keys) when I lived there and I went by that intersection frequently in my travels to the mall or my bi-weekly venture to Toys R Us. 
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 21, 2009, 08:35:36 PM
Quote from: flaroadgeek on August 21, 2009, 06:08:38 PM

On my trip to Fort Myers back in June I went right by this sign but did not have a chance to snap a picture or even get out of the car (too many questionable people around at the time). Next time I am in that area though I will definitely look :)

As far as those 50 shields in Orlando, I think those are obvious mistaken replacements. There actually use to be standard shields at that intersection! And when was that photo taken, as I notice the empty building at being an old Uno Chicago Grill that I ate at twice while I lived in Orlando. I do not remember those set of shields (with the keys) when I lived there and I went by that intersection frequently in my travels to the mall or my bi-weekly venture to Toys R Us. 

That set has been there since I've been here (at least) in 2005. Were there really standard shields at that intersection? On the 3-di plan maps from FDOT, Bennett Road was part of Proposed SR 551, and I always thought it was tied to that.
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 21, 2009, 10:46:46 PM
Maybe I just never paid that much attention when I was at that intersection, but I swore I remember standard shields there, and I lived there from 2004 to 2008.

So Bennett was once proposed as S.R. 551 before Goldenrod took the number? Do you have a copy or any access to that 3-di map? I'd be interested to see it :)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 21, 2009, 11:52:15 PM
I'll dig it out and take some photos of it. They have handwritten dates from the mid-80s and all the "proposals" and "plans", plus what was state maintained and secondary maintained/county assumed at that time. A guy at the TSO office used them for references and such.

I emailed a guy in District 5 about them and he said there was no such thing, that he'd been working in the district for 20 years. So.... :crazy:

They are interesting to look at.
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 22, 2009, 11:13:04 AM
Hmmm, interesting. I would definitely like to see that  :nod:
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 23, 2009, 03:07:16 PM
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Title: Florida
Post by: thomasvista on August 26, 2009, 09:01:42 PM
Yesterday, the section of SR 807 between Lantana and Lake Worth Rd was officially removed off the FDOT system.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 26, 2009, 09:08:57 PM
Quote from: thomasvista on August 26, 2009, 09:01:42 PM
Yesterday, the section of SR 807 between Lantana and Lake Worth Rd was officially removed off the FDOT system.

:( Hopefully any signage will be kept up for a bit until historic photos can be taken.
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 26, 2009, 09:50:08 PM
so what's gonna happen to that US cutout???
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 26, 2009, 11:17:41 PM
Quote from: florida on August 26, 2009, 09:08:57 PM
Quote from: thomasvista on August 26, 2009, 09:01:42 PM
Yesterday, the section of SR 807 between Lantana and Lake Worth Rd was officially removed off the FDOT system.

:( Hopefully any signage will be kept up for a bit until historic photos can be taken.

If anything, it might take 2-3 days before it disappears.  This comes from my own experience with FDOT.  I happened to alert them to an exit tab for the old Exit #351C on I-95 SB in Jacksonville which was still on top of a BGS once that ramp was closed permanently.  2-3 days later after my e-mail to them, it was taken down.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 27, 2009, 12:00:21 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 26, 2009, 11:17:41 PM
Quote from: florida on August 26, 2009, 09:08:57 PM
Quote from: thomasvista on August 26, 2009, 09:01:42 PM
Yesterday, the section of SR 807 between Lantana and Lake Worth Rd was officially removed off the FDOT system.

:( Hopefully any signage will be kept up for a bit until historic photos can be taken.

If anything, it might take 2-3 days before it disappears.  This comes from my own experience with FDOT.  I happened to alert them to an exit tab for the old Exit #351C on I-95 SB in Jacksonville which was still on top of a BGS once that ramp was closed permanently.  2-3 days later after my e-mail to them, it was taken down.

Don't email them  :biggrin:  Or it could take over a year. SR 439 still had two signs standing on 11/27/05 when it was decommissioned in 2004. Also, they still have the South Street exit sign up on I-4 and it's been closed for a very long time.
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 27, 2009, 12:10:13 AM
Quote from: florida on August 27, 2009, 12:00:21 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 26, 2009, 11:17:41 PM
Quote from: florida on August 26, 2009, 09:08:57 PM
Quote from: thomasvista on August 26, 2009, 09:01:42 PM
Yesterday, the section of SR 807 between Lantana and Lake Worth Rd was officially removed off the FDOT system.

:( Hopefully any signage will be kept up for a bit until historic photos can be taken.

If anything, it might take 2-3 days before it disappears.  This comes from my own experience with FDOT.  I happened to alert them to an exit tab for the old Exit #351C on I-95 SB in Jacksonville which was still on top of a BGS once that ramp was closed permanently.  2-3 days later after my e-mail to them, it was taken down.

Don't email them  :biggrin:  Or it could take over a year. SR 439 still had two signs standing on 11/27/05 when it was decommissioned in 2004. Also, they still have the South Street exit sign up on I-4 and it's been closed for a very long time.

Well, the main purpose of that e-mail was to give them my opinion on their job of putting US-17 onto I-95 & I-10.  And my opinion was that they did a good job on the SB signage, but they did a horrible job on the NB signage.  All they put up on I-95 where US-17 was to exit was a small standalone shield.  If people weren't looking to the right of the highway for it, they would easily miss the exit.  Because everywhere else, they put a special tab on top of each exit sign with the US-17 & FL-228 shields.  The "To Exit #351C" tab was just a side note.  I also commented on (what I thought) was an incorrect exit number.  They gave the Forest St/Stockton St Exit as Exit #351A which I thought should have been #352A.  Because at that time (01/12/07), they had 351A before 351B and that could confuse people.

And now looking in StreetView, they have added a different #352A exit sign while the #351A remains....  So, going SB on I-95 you get Exit #351A first and then #352A..........  And the Stockton St ramp is now Exit #351C....
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on August 27, 2009, 12:15:28 AM
State unveils plan to build higher I-395 in Miami (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miami-dade/story/1202390.html)
Replacing outdated Interstate 395 with a higher, more pleasing elevated roadway will help repair Overtown, state officials say, but some at a public hearing remain unconvinced.

After years of study and delay, Florida Department of Transportation officials are moving ahead with a plan to tear down and replace the entire 1.2-mile Miami highway, which connects Interstate 95 and State Road 836 with the MacArthur Causeway. They say the current road is poorly designed, overburdened, structurally deficient and a source of blight.

The new highway would be built just to the north of the existing I-395, so that the current expressway could stay open during construction of its replacement. That, however, would require the state to buy or take some 62 private properties through eminent domain, meaning the relocation of 10 families and five businesses.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 27, 2009, 01:00:19 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 27, 2009, 12:10:13 AM
Well, the main purpose of that e-mail was to give them my opinion on their job of putting US-17 onto I-95 & I-10.  And my opinion was that they did a good job on the SB signage, but they did a horrible job on the NB signage.  All they put up on I-95 where US-17 was to exit was a small standalone shield.  If people weren't looking to the right of the highway for it, they would easily miss the exit.  Because everywhere else, they put a special tab on top of each exit sign with the US-17 & FL-228 shields.  The "To Exit #351C" tab was just a side note.  I also commented on (what I thought) was an incorrect exit number.  They gave the Forest St/Stockton St Exit as Exit #351A which I thought should have been #352A.  Because at that time (01/12/07), they had 351A before 351B and that could confuse people.

And now looking in StreetView, they have added a different #352A exit sign while the #351A remains....  So, going SB on I-95 you get Exit #351A first and then #352A..........  And the Stockton St ramp is now Exit #351C....

Agree with that. It is a huge mess with 7 different exits in ~2 miles, plus construction. If 351A comes before 352A, would they going to renumber all the exits when the project is finished? There are two sets of A-D exits right after each other.
Title: Florida
Post by: Larbearfl on August 31, 2009, 11:15:13 AM
Someone, get a ruler:

http://www.wftv.com/news/20605458/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/20605458/detail.html)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 31, 2009, 12:17:59 PM
It can't even be opened until the rest of the widening out to SR 417 is finished. But, something should be done about the uneven pavement, especially on EB SR 50.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on September 02, 2009, 07:59:19 PM
There is a whole other section of intact brick roadway parallel to US 92 in the Tiger Bay WMA west of Daytona Beach. I found it accidentally on Google Maps.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=daytona+beach,+fl&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.572881,78.837891&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=29.127834,-81.166821&spn=0.018069,0.038495&z=15&iwloc=A (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=daytona+beach,+fl&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.572881,78.837891&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=29.127834,-81.166821&spn=0.018069,0.038495&z=15&iwloc=A)

The jail and Red John Road are in the extreme right top corner
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 06, 2009, 09:18:53 AM
Here's a little blast from the past:  FL-108 still lives. :P

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=30.690921,-81.675282&spn=0,359.944253&z=15&layer=c&cbll=30.690812,-81.675237&panoid=deNQV6oJ4iUkAb895N4HjA&cbp=12,218.78,,1,-27.56 (http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=30.690921,-81.675282&spn=0,359.944253&z=15&layer=c&cbll=30.690812,-81.675237&panoid=deNQV6oJ4iUkAb895N4HjA&cbp=12,218.78,,1,-27.56)

Mentioned going both directions on I-95 @ that overpass.  Plus, I think I recall the NB side being button-copy.  SB side might be as well.  So, any of you guys in FL right now want to check this out, have fun. ;)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on September 06, 2009, 11:05:56 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 06, 2009, 09:18:53 AM
Here's a little blast from the past:  FL-108 still lives. :P

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=30.690921,-81.675282&spn=0,359.944253&z=15&layer=c&cbll=30.690812,-81.675237&panoid=deNQV6oJ4iUkAb895N4HjA&cbp=12,218.78,,1,-27.56 (http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=30.690921,-81.675282&spn=0,359.944253&z=15&layer=c&cbll=30.690812,-81.675237&panoid=deNQV6oJ4iUkAb895N4HjA&cbp=12,218.78,,1,-27.56)

Mentioned going both directions on I-95 @ that overpass.  Plus, I think I recall the NB side being button-copy.  SB side might be as well.  So, any of you guys in FL right now want to check this out, have fun. ;)

I've got a picture of the SB one from April, it is button-copy..both of them. The Owens Road plaque is also button-copy.  :nod:

_____________________________________

Had to take a family member down to Port St. Lucie, so I jaunted around Stuart, Ft. Pierce and Vero Beach. Just some notes (pictures come later) :

-SR 707 is still signed south to the drawbridge on the St. Lucie River. And, they have completely changed out all the old signage at the intersection with CR 723 (including the "C 723" in a FL shield  :-( ) since the truncation of SR 707, but they made carbon copies of the signage on the SR 732 Causeway westbound.
-SR 732 (Jensen Beach Blvd) is signed with SR Junction shields on US 1, but the trailblazers are CR shields.  :crazy: A LGS is up on CR 723 north at SR 732. Apparently, CR 707A is still "signed" east from that intersection.
-Martin County LOVES roundabouts.
-The new bridge on SR 732 is a huge improvement over the old drawbridge.
-There is a lone eastbound SR 716 shield on the west side of the Turnpike, after Cameo Rd.
-All of the button-copy guide signs on SR 614 at I-95 have been replaced. Was hoping there was at least one left.
-Be careful if you drive on Indian River CR 5A from Gifford to Wabasso. Had an officer pull out and tail me between Winter Beach and Wabasso.
-SR 510 has complete signage at both ends of the Wabasso-to-Orchid causeway.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alps on September 06, 2009, 11:56:37 PM
While we're on the topic of C-shields, I noticed one S-905 shield left in Key Largo.  i was really surprised to find it there because S-905 was originally only north of US 1.  Didn't know it was extended over old 1 when it was still a secondary.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on September 07, 2009, 12:13:12 AM
Quote from: AlpsROADS on September 06, 2009, 11:56:37 PM
While we're on the topic of C-shields, I noticed one S-905 shield left in Key Largo.  i was really surprised to find it there because S-905 was originally only north of US 1.  Didn't know it was extended over old 1 when it was still a secondary.

Was it on the CR 905 section going towards Card Sound Road? Or somewhere south of that in Key Largo proper?
Title: Florida
Post by: Alps on September 07, 2009, 12:36:00 PM
Quote from: florida on September 07, 2009, 12:13:12 AM
Quote from: AlpsROADS on September 06, 2009, 11:56:37 PM
While we're on the topic of C-shields, I noticed one S-905 shield left in Key Largo.  i was really surprised to find it there because S-905 was originally only north of US 1.  Didn't know it was extended over old 1 when it was still a secondary.

Was it on the CR 905 section going towards Card Sound Road? Or somewhere south of that in Key Largo proper?
No it was in Key Largo.  I saw it NB shortly after you get to the four-lane divided US 1.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on September 07, 2009, 02:06:52 PM
Quote from: AlpsROADS on September 07, 2009, 12:36:00 PM
Quote from: florida on September 07, 2009, 12:13:12 AM
Quote from: AlpsROADS on September 06, 2009, 11:56:37 PM
While we're on the topic of C-shields, I noticed one S-905 shield left in Key Largo.  i was really surprised to find it there because S-905 was originally only north of US 1.  Didn't know it was extended over old 1 when it was still a secondary.

Was it on the CR 905 section going towards Card Sound Road? Or somewhere south of that in Key Largo proper?
No it was in Key Largo.  I saw it NB shortly after you get to the four-lane divided US 1.

Just south of Tavernier Creek is where the four-laned roadway starts, and there is the old alignment next to it....  :eyebrow:

Think it's Islamorada that also has 905 shields right next to US 1, as there's the old alignment alongside it.


edit: Found it. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=key+largo,+fl&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.572881,78.837891&ie=UTF8&ll=24.997956,-80.53758&spn=0.002343,0.004812&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=24.997863,-80.537608&panoid=C-i3GVnR62Nqtj1WUb-10A&cbp=12,22.66,,0,6.81 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=key+largo,+fl&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.572881,78.837891&ie=UTF8&ll=24.997956,-80.53758&spn=0.002343,0.004812&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=24.997863,-80.537608&panoid=C-i3GVnR62Nqtj1WUb-10A&cbp=12,22.66,,0,6.81)

90174 Old Hwy in Tavernier. Is that it?
Title: Florida
Post by: Alps on September 07, 2009, 08:27:49 PM
Quote from: florida on September 07, 2009, 02:06:52 PM
Quote from: AlpsROADS on September 07, 2009, 12:36:00 PM
No it was in Key Largo.  I saw it NB shortly after you get to the four-lane divided US 1.

Just south of Tavernier Creek is where the four-laned roadway starts, and there is the old alignment next to it....  :eyebrow:

Think it's Islamorada that also has 905 shields right next to US 1, as there's the old alignment alongside it.


edit: Found it. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=key+largo,+fl&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.572881,78.837891&ie=UTF8&ll=24.997956,-80.53758&spn=0.002343,0.004812&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=24.997863,-80.537608&panoid=C-i3GVnR62Nqtj1WUb-10A&cbp=12,22.66,,0,6.81 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=key+largo,+fl&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.572881,78.837891&ie=UTF8&ll=24.997956,-80.53758&spn=0.002343,0.004812&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=24.997863,-80.537608&panoid=C-i3GVnR62Nqtj1WUb-10A&cbp=12,22.66,,0,6.81)

90174 Old Hwy in Tavernier. Is that it?

Wiki says Tavernier is part of Key Largo, and yes, that's the one.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on September 08, 2009, 10:16:50 PM
Quote from: AlpsROADS on September 07, 2009, 08:27:49 PM
Wiki says Tavernier is part of Key Largo, and yes, that's the one.

Cool! Saw the photo on your page. It seems that S-905 was given to some of the old alignments (and a couple of small spurs off) of US 1 in the Northern Keys. Not sure if it was ever duplexed with US 1, but getting better scans of older maps from FDOT would help out a lot.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on September 09, 2009, 11:00:09 AM
There are two Florida C-905 shield assemblies left on that stretch near Bessie Road:

http://www.southeastroads.com/florida900/cr-905_nb_app_bessie_rd_02.jpg (http://www.southeastroads.com/florida900/cr-905_nb_app_bessie_rd_02.jpg)

http://www.southeastroads.com/florida900/cr-905_sb_after_bessie_rd.jpg (http://www.southeastroads.com/florida900/cr-905_sb_after_bessie_rd.jpg)
Title: Florida
Post by: Alps on September 09, 2009, 05:20:17 PM
Quote from: florida on September 08, 2009, 10:16:50 PM
Not sure if it was ever duplexed with US 1, but getting better scans of older maps from FDOT would help out a lot.

Doubt it.  A1A is usually not multiplexed with 1.  Look how far you have to go from Miami to Key West before you find it again.
Title: Florida
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 09, 2009, 10:34:35 PM
QuoteQuote from: florida on September 08, 2009, 10:16:50 PM
Not sure if it was ever duplexed with US 1, but getting better scans of older maps from FDOT would help out a lot.


Doubt it.  A1A is usually not multiplexed with 1.  Look how far you have to go from Miami to Key West before you find it again
I'm sure that US 1 and A1A multiplex between Hollywood and Fort Lauderdale for a short distance ;-)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on September 24, 2009, 12:09:28 AM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on September 09, 2009, 10:34:35 PM
QuoteQuote from: florida on September 08, 2009, 10:16:50 PM
Not sure if it was ever duplexed with US 1, but getting better scans of older maps from FDOT would help out a lot.


Doubt it.  A1A is usually not multiplexed with 1.  Look how far you have to go from Miami to Key West before you find it again
I'm sure that US 1 and A1A multiplex between Hollywood and Fort Lauderdale for a short distance ;-)

I think it's signed like that at the eastern terminus of SR 84. Also swore I saw pictures of US 1 northbound at A1A in Dania Beach and it 'showed' SR A1A continuing northward, on a trailblazer sign. The only other two places would be West Palm Beach (the duplex is probably defunct these days...old maps indicated they did travel together through Northwood) and Fort Pierce (now signed as "TO A1A").




On a side note, I spent two days driving around Miami.....some observations:

-There are still two sets of Red US 1 shields hanging somewhere around downtown ;)
-The stand-alone BGS on US 1, that had a cut-out SR 886 shield on it, has been replaced with a crudely-done LGS.
-There's one strange SR shield for SR 836 found on a side road; the type where the state is drawn as a straight line on all sides...others have been found for SRs 551, 426, and 820.
-At the southern terminus of SR 969, an erroneous JCT SR 969 shield is posted instead of an SR 968 shield, so you junction the same road you're driving on. (It's also one of the best signed routes down there, with shields every few blocks.)
-SR 933 got invaded by some atrocious, digitalized shields. [Pictures later.]
-There is an actual Miami-Dade County Community called Horse Country. No joke.
-There are Begin/End State Maintenance plaques, for SR 986, at the intersection of SW 69th Ave, opposed to SW 67th Ave where the terminus is listed. The new and improved(!) section that was bequeathed to South Miami consists of those stupid faux-bricks and an obscene 20mph speed limit. But, there are still SR 986 trailblazers at the intersection with US 1...perhaps to continue the route number so nobody gets confused?
-Where SR 909 has been cut-off from the 6-point intersection with SR 922 (the southwest leg), the old alignment was made into a cul-de-sac, and there is still a renegade southbound reassurance shield partially hidden by some bushes.
-The button-copy BGS on US 1 southbound at US 27 and I-195 has been replaced with a standard one.
-SR 886 used to travel across a two-lane drawbridge (it must have!) and most of the old alignment is still there. Also, behind a fenced-off section, with tractor-trailers parked, there's a damaged, unused spanwire traffic signal assembly(four remain on the span-wire, seems the others have been blown away from storms) and BGSs that have been almost all greened-out.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on September 25, 2009, 01:23:07 AM
Picture time!

Why button-copy should never be replaced.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FPicture132.jpg&hash=917bedba7d203285e88e8e23773baf5fb581daf0)

Old or just badly faded?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FPicture003.jpg&hash=c433d012b736980189450c45799a9988ba12b203)

Clearview-like numbers invade!
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FPicture006.jpg&hash=2bab2f096f47e5ca96e91145c6d5c38a65237760)

SR 922 east at the 5-points. Exactly where the "TO SR 909" assembly is, that's where SR 909 used to intersect SR 922 and hop across it like it does on SR 915.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FPicture019.jpg&hash=7d54ee62d75a731df5a670028bec6ce4b8a21525)

If you made a theoretical right turn at that aforementioned sign, you'd see this still standing...even though cul-de-sac traffic can only see it properly.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FPicture018.jpg&hash=94891d38946a49fd6032837cdd92ee904267f659)

Funky JCT sign on SR 932.
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More old-looking signage in Hialeah
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BIG FONT!
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And again.
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White-on-green. This must be a trend down here.
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If you don't prefer BIG FONT, maybe you'd like huge obnoxious shields.
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Funky shields at the north terminus of SR 969.
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When reflective peels....and a greened-out sun symbol at the top.
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Stenciled numerals?
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SR 969 north at the flyover and surface routing...aka three separate legs split off all at once.
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That SR 836 shield.
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SR 969 south at what's supposed to be SR 968.
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This looked like a folded sign.
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SR 94 east at SR 825.
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Digitalized blasphemy!
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The reason why SR 986 was truncated.
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But it is still signed at US 1.
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The greened-out BGSs on Old(?) SR 886. (Has to be the old alignment.)
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And the broken traffic lights.
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Still standing hanging!
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Still hanging on SR 970.
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New HOT lanes. One day it was $2 from I-395 to SR 826/Turnpike.
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More digitalized madness.
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They replaced a cut-out SR 886 shield for this???
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Tiny, little I-395 shield...because who cares?
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Weird I-95 shield.
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FDOT may not maintain the toll bridge, but they're nice to let you know it is tolled. The only instance where this is done.
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Old distance signs, in the center, are being replaced with ones on the right in Miami.
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First off, it's the Airport EXPRESSWAY, so why the RR crossing? Second, if the road is inverted, why would I want to make a right turn on the railroad tracks?? People drive slow in Miami, but I don't think they're totally slow in the head.
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Finally, you can travel to Jupiter and find this county-erected sign near the coast.
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Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on September 25, 2009, 01:37:02 AM
That five points junction is also where I found the U.S. 909 and 915 shields back in 2006:

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Title: Florida
Post by: florida on September 25, 2009, 02:03:03 AM
Those are nice! I didn't make it that far west on SR 922 to turn around to see if they are still there :no:
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on September 25, 2009, 02:49:00 AM
Quote from: florida on September 25, 2009, 02:03:03 AM
Those are nice! I didn't make it that far west on SR 922 to turn around to see if they are still there :no:

There were gone by May of 2008, if not earlier.

QuoteWhite-on-green. This must be a trend down here.

Perhaps statewide too, found two brand new FL 368 overheads done in the same style on U.S. 98 eastbound in Panama City yesterday. Also have seen Florida 616 overheads leaving TPA the same way.

Great photos, looks like my Miami area photos of Interstate 95 are even more out of date!
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 25, 2009, 02:55:05 AM
nice finds!  is that a red US-1 shield on the green sign? 

I'll be in FL in January; will have to hunt some of those down for sure.

also, that I-95 shield on the green sign you labeled as "odd" - that looks to be original 1958 specs!  Shields on green signs were to omit the state name, but keep the small number: 8" for a 24" shield, or 6" for an 18" shield.  I can't tell which size that shield is on the green sign, but those are indeed the very first specs.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on September 25, 2009, 03:29:25 AM
Quote from: AARoads on September 25, 2009, 02:49:00 AM
Great photos, looks like my Miami area photos of Interstate 95 are even more out of date!

All the signs on I-95 south at I-195/SR 112 have been switched out. I didn't make it down to I-395 to check those, or any cut-outs on the expressways. You need a good week to explore everything down there in Miami-Dade County alone since everyone drives so slow on surface roads. Traffic wasn't really that bad like I thought it would be.

In Palm Beach County, all the BGS signs have been switched out so you'll no longer see any CR shields for 702, 809A nor 812 anymore. Just street names.

Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 25, 2009, 02:55:05 AM
nice finds!  is that a red US-1 shield on the green sign? 

I'll be in FL in January; will have to hunt some of those down for sure.

also, that I-95 shield on the green sign you labeled as "odd" - that looks to be original 1958 specs!  Shields on green signs were to omit the state name, but keep the small number: 8" for a 24" shield, or 6" for an 18" shield.  I can't tell which size that shield is on the green sign, but those are indeed the very first specs.

Where will you be visiting? That sign is going west on the one-way-pair from US 1/SR 886 and the Port. (Think it's 6th St?) It looks like a precursor to the bubble shields. And yep, they are red US 1 shields on the green signs. Up in Jupiter, they might still have them on the actual sign blades:

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Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 25, 2009, 06:02:51 AM
Quote from: florida on September 25, 2009, 01:23:07 AM
Old distance signs, in the center, are being replaced with ones on the right in Miami.
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Yet in Jacksonville, on FL-9A they installed the ones like the one in the middle of the highway.
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 25, 2009, 11:47:59 AM
I'll be in Florida for Jeff Francis's license plate show.  I'll have to ask Alex the exact date; it's January 10th, I think?
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on September 25, 2009, 12:33:46 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 25, 2009, 11:47:59 AM
I'll be in Florida for Jeff Francis's license plate show.  I'll have to ask Alex the exact date; it's January 10th, I think?

The show is January 15.

I'll be in Orlando the week of October 18th too. Definitely going to drive Florida Toll 414 and try to get better shield shots for some of the other toll routes.

Those center line upcoming exits signs on Interstate 95 were likely moved so that in the future they can extend the HOT lanes northward. Keep in mind that a lot of the overhead guide signs in the Miami-Dade and Broward County areas were damaged by Hurricane Wilma in 2005. That might explain why some of the new signs have odd fonts or look bad.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on September 25, 2009, 02:05:09 PM
Indeed, the center guide signs were moved for the HOT lanes. Only in Miami though. What perplexes me is why one in Fort Lauderdale spells out SR 84.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on September 29, 2009, 11:40:29 AM
Future deletions: SR 537, SR 847 (so far...waiting for responses from Ds 1, 2, 4 and 7, which I'll have to phone)

SR 228 and SR 5 in downtown Jacksonville are slated for deletion. (I'll probably be going up there on Saturday.)

District 3 reports there are no deletions in the near future.
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 30, 2009, 12:16:59 AM
Quote from: florida on September 29, 2009, 11:40:29 AM
SR 228 and SR 5 in downtown Jacksonville are slated for deletion. (I'll probably be going up there on Saturday.)

Ok, I don't see how they could delete FL-5 in Downtown Jacksonville, UNLESS they are planning on re-routing US-1 and US-90 out of Downtown as well as FL-10.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on September 30, 2009, 11:20:54 AM
I'm sorry, it should have been specified. They're being deleted between the Acosta Bridge and the Main Street Bridge.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on October 05, 2009, 12:56:37 AM
Jacksonville notes:

-SR 21's travel through Keystone Heights is interesting. You enter Bradford County (Zero Drug Tolerance!), and Clay County (no drug tolerance?) back and forth, then there's a sharp curve with the speed limit set at 30.
-Three other keys 21 shields were found (the 4th, which AARoads found, is separate). Also, a keys 224 shield is still standing!
-There are a slew of mast arms going up on SR 21 from SR 224 to the Duval/Clay County Line.
-Since SR 228 and US 17 were taken off the College/Post streets, SR 228 duplexes with SR 129 down to US 17 (Roosevelt Expy).
-Greened-out signs are everywhere on the Acosta Bridge and the approaches, for US 17/SR 228.
-There is still one reassurance assembly for US 17/SR 228 on Bay Street west, after turning off of Main.
-A BGS sign on the Main Street Bridge NB has US 17 still plastered on it.
-SR 228 is signed with US 1 and US 90 down to Forsyth, BUT, there is no indication from FDOT that it goes on Forsyth, so it may be a new alignment, if they're going to take it off of Monroe. Now, there's 2 EB one-way SR 228 legs (Monroe and Forsyth) and one WB SR 228 leg (Adams) in downtown.
-There are a lot of cut-out SR 115 shields on BGSs. Upwards of five.
-SR 116 is signed. SR 243 still is not, and neither is SR 23 where it intersects SR 21.
-A lot of the fluffy SR shields (like in the western Panhandle) invaded SR 13 south of the city. I hope those do not become the status quo; they look like puffs of popcorn with numbers in them.
-The C-110 shield is still up.
-Alt US 90 apparently uses Laura St to connect to State/Union Streets. There is only one reassurance shield after you turn off of State onto Laura. Think there was one trailblazer on Beaver Street (US 90), years ago.
-When traveling "east" on I-295, at Exit 35, when you come up to US 17 and that old BGS states "End I-295, Begin SR 9A (cutout)", there is a JCT SR 9A assembly directly opposite of it, in the middle of construction. Guess you really can junction a same numbered road on the same numbered road.
-No exits are numbered on SR 9A yet. There are blank exit tabs on BGSs from Gate Parkway to probably SR 10. And one exit has an exit gore sign with a blank space, just ready for a pasted number.
-SR 212 is co-signed with US 90 beginning just west of the SR 9A interchange.
-SR 109's northern terminus is unremarkable. Just a pavement change, no signage at all.
-Going east on SR 152, there is advance signage stating, "End East SR 152, ½ mile"  (tab, tab, shield, tab). The last time I was at the eastern terminus of SR 152, Baymeadows just ended abruptly at a dirt drop-off. Now, the area has been built up.


Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 05, 2009, 08:27:56 PM
Quote from: florida on October 05, 2009, 12:56:37 AM
-Alt US 90 apparently uses Laura St to connect to State/Union Streets. There is only one reassurance shield after you turn off of State onto Laura. Think there was one trailblazer on Beaver Street (US 90), years ago.

Supposedly according to Don Drury in the Jacksonville office, this is the correct route for Alt-US-90.

QuoteAlt US 90 was built by the JTA as an alternate route not through downtown Jacksonville and connecting back to US 90/Beach Blvd.

Traffic Operations believes this is how it runs;

Union Street / State Street from I-95, Arlington Expressway, Southside Blvd to Beach Blvd.

Atlantic Blvd is not part of Alt US 90.

And then when I pointed it out to him that is was mis-posted on Atlantic in the field and on the 2006 Official Map, he said the following back to me:

QuoteThanks for bring this to our attention.   

We'll see that the Official State of Florida map is changed to reflect Alt US 90 as it should be.

We will schedule removal of all signs on Atlantic Blvd and work to install any missing signs on the correct route.

However, this was all back on 2/21/07 that I talked to him.  And in '08, no changes had happened yet.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on October 06, 2009, 02:35:07 AM
Still no changes on Atlantic Blvd either. Still co-signed with Alt US 90.

I do remember there being a trailblazer for it off Beaver, and swear it was east of I-95. If they've done sidewalk-scaping there (which looks like it), they would have removed it. Unless it jogs up a street on the west side of I-95, but there is no signage out there, and only US 23 signage at I-95 on US 23 SB. When going west on State, just before Main is a sign stating "Alt US 90 LEFT LANE" and conveniently Laura is the next street after Main.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on October 08, 2009, 01:14:00 PM
This thread needs some photos.

Self-explanatory. Sprawl didn't get to these?
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The SR 228 & 129 duplex
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Horrendous job, whoever did these.
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The green-out jobs
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Bay Street SB, just after Main. Oops.
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This shot came out perfect.
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Coming off the Main Street Bridge, NB. Oops.
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SR 13 NB at US 1 and US 90. Oops!
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Ocean Street NB immediately after Bay Street.
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US 90 EB at US 1 and what is supposed to be SR 228.
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SR 109A signs are still up even though there has not been an SR 109A for about 20 years.
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SR 10 WB at SR 115. A leg of SR 10A starts to the right, also, and so does SR 113. They still have Alt US 90 on Atlantic Blvd, consistently signed! There are zero Alt US 90 shields on the Arlington Expressway.
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Unless you count this one...which is the only mention of Alt US 90 on the Arlington Expressway. Progress!
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Who wants an SR 116 sign picture?
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Just thought it was amusing to junction a route and immediately have to turn right to get on it. Who cares about advance signage.
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This is the JCT SR 9A while you are on SR 9A.
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US 17 SB at Old SR 163 (now CR 163) and SR 104. Why waste space when you can make a fictional duplex? The I-95 shield is in the spot where the SR 163 shield used to be.
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It looks like the 5 wanted to be a 6, but its parents would not let it.
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SR 212 finally shielded after all these years (ok, since US 90 was put on it).
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If you say so...
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Just an old mileage sign doing its intended job.
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Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 08, 2009, 01:30:53 PM
why are the south 17/west 228 and the 1/17/90 green sign photos labeled "Oops"?

also, is FL-10 supposed to always be hidden, or is it intentionally signed past the end of I-10?

the wide 10/95 pair look something like what Texas uses on their green sign shields, and MA and NH use on I-95 on the surface level.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on October 08, 2009, 04:05:31 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 08, 2009, 01:30:53 PM
why are the south 17/west 228 and the 1/17/90 green sign photos labeled "Oops"?

also, is FL-10 supposed to always be hidden, or is it intentionally signed past the end of I-10?

the wide 10/95 pair look something like what Texas uses on their green sign shields, and MA and NH use on I-95 on the surface level.

US 17 and SR 228 were realigned out of downtown Jacksonville. They connect onto I-10, then I-95, US 23 and back to US 1 where US 17 heads north, and SR 228 heads south (east) into downtown to connect to the Hart Bridge and adjoining expressway to US 90. They no longer travel along the riverfront.

SR 10 is intentionally signed east of Jacksonville, but hidden west of Jacksonville. It used to be the original routing of SR A1A before A1A was extended up to the Mayport Ferry and Fernandina Beach. Immediately east of I-95, US 90 splits off of SR 10 and uses SR 212 to travel to The Beaches, so that's why it's signed where US 1 and US 90 meet on the south side of town.


Those wide signs were in the area of Post Street and Riverside Avenue.
Title: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on October 09, 2009, 10:00:25 AM
Quote from: florida on October 08, 2009, 01:14:00 PM
It looks like the 5 wanted to be a 6, but its parents would not let it.
Looks like it's got a serious overbite!
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on October 10, 2009, 07:26:13 AM
I snuck up to Clay County yesterday because something on Streetview caught the eye....and it was worth it.

-CR 209 is (or will be) extended north of CR 220 to SR 21/CR 220A. It's listed on sign blades, but not signed.
-CR 220 is being widened between Knight Boxx Road (CR 220B) and College Ave (CR 224).

And some pictures...

A 5th keys shield for SR 21 in the Orange Park-Middleburg area.
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A keys 220 shield in Middleburg.
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One section of CR 220 circles into itself, and Clay County is nice to let you know that. (If you make a left and follow it around, you'll come right back to this sign.)
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CR 220 east at SR 21. US 21 vacations in Florida, and brought Arial font with it. (Does Georgia know about this??)
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CR 220 west at SR 21. The 6th keys shield, but with Arial Helvetica font. (It could be a classy, county-made reproduction??)
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CR 220A, Baxley leg, north at SR 21 and SR 23. I was expecting to see an SR shield.
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These signs are posted at the intersections of CR 209, CR 315, and one signalized intersection just south of there. (Yay for unhidden state routes!)
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Clay County likes to make sure you know you are traveling on COUNTY route 209.
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On Toms Road, just off the SR 16 and I-95 interchange.
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Still hanging in Green Cove Springs (two of them!)
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Off CR 209B (two of them!).
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Title: Florida
Post by: florida on October 12, 2009, 05:16:21 PM
Another SR on the chopping block is SR 585.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on October 12, 2009, 10:02:46 PM
Quote from: florida on October 12, 2009, 05:16:21 PM
Another SR on the chopping block is SR 585.

I think SR 585 is unsigned already except for its intersections with Hillsborough Avenue, I-4, and maybe SR 60.
Title: Florida
Post by: Marc on October 13, 2009, 12:49:02 AM
Nice pics.
Quote from: florida on October 10, 2009, 07:26:13 AM
CR 220 west at SR 21. The 6th keys shield, but with Arial font. (It could be a classy, county-made reproduction??)
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That's Helvetica. Graphic Designer's intuition ;-)
Always remember, Helvetica=good, Arial=bad, Comic Sans=induce vomiting.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on October 13, 2009, 02:21:07 AM
Quote from: AARoads on October 12, 2009, 10:02:46 PM
Quote from: florida on October 12, 2009, 05:16:21 PM
Another SR on the chopping block is SR 585.

I think SR 585 is unsigned already except for its intersections with Hillsborough Avenue, I-4, and maybe SR 60.

No reassurance shields? Haven't driven it in a few years, but will go over probably this weekend sometime.


Quote from: Marc on October 13, 2009, 12:49:02 AM
That's Helvetica. Graphic Designer's intuition ;-)
Always remember, Helvetica=good, Arial=bad, Comic Sans=induce vomiting.


Yeah, comic sans is a permanent tumor. I'll have to open Word and practice the Helvetica numbers vs. the Arial numbers  ;-)
Title: Florida
Post by: Marc on October 13, 2009, 11:59:56 PM
Quote from: florida on October 13, 2009, 02:21:07 AM
Yeah, comic sans is a permanent tumor. I'll have to open Word and practice the Helvetica numbers vs. the Arial numbers  ;-)
You can always tell by the 2s and the uppercase Rs. Arial is Microsoft's rip off of Helvetica.
Title: Florida
Post by: mightyace on October 14, 2009, 04:52:56 PM
Quote from: Marc on October 13, 2009, 11:59:56 PM
Arial is Microsoft's rip off of Helvetica.

<Off topic rant>
It's ironic that Microsoft created Arial to avoid paying license fees for Helvetica, yet they are one of the most aggressive companies in making sure you pay them license fees!
</Off topic rant>
Title: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on October 14, 2009, 05:06:24 PM
What's the new exit number on I-10 for the Brannen Field-Chaffee Expressway supposed to be? I was there on a road trip up north in late-April 2009(and back in early-May 2009), but I forgot what it was.

Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on October 14, 2009, 08:59:30 PM
I would gather that it would be Exit 349, but given on how big the interchange is, it could be signed as Exit 348.

Correction: according to the official website (http://www.bfcxpress.com/faq/#6), the interchange was constructed at mile marker 350, so it would be safe to say one of my guesses would be correct  :-D
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on October 14, 2009, 09:11:25 PM
After digging some more, it is indeed Exit 350 and it opened to traffic on October 1.
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 02, 2009, 07:31:29 AM
Quote from: florida on October 06, 2009, 02:35:07 AM
Still no changes on Atlantic Blvd either. Still co-signed with Alt US 90.

I just downloaded the most current GIS data off of FDOT's site and they have removed the final small piece that showed Alt US-90 in Downtown Jacksonville.  It now seems the one on FL-10 is the defacto one now.  Will have to update the route on the CHM site.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on November 02, 2009, 01:17:29 PM
That routing doesn't make any sense. The one through downtown was on an expressway at least. It seems frivolous to have them both on surface routes and closer than before.
Title: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on November 04, 2009, 06:41:25 PM
I wasn't able to get the link, but I saw a report on BayNews9 about a proposal to add a light-rail line between Tampa and St. Petersburg using the original span of the Howard Frankland Bridge, which would obviously require replacing it with a third parallel span. I was going to add this to Wikipedia, but as I said earlier, I couldn't get the link from their website.


Title: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on November 04, 2009, 11:11:26 PM
Quote from: AARoads on October 12, 2009, 10:02:46 PM
Quote from: florida on October 12, 2009, 05:16:21 PM
Another SR on the chopping block is SR 585.

I think SR 585 is unsigned already except for its intersections with Hillsborough Avenue, I-4, and maybe SR 60.

GoogleMaps shows one at US 41-92.
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http://maps.google.com/maps?t=h&q=28.041546,-82.382519&ie=UTF8&ll=27.996148,-82.434117&spn=0.006991,0.021887&z=16&layer=c&cbll=27.996148,-82.434014&panoid=vWHXlPHAQTtjVWLXw3o_Ag&cbp=12,289.15,,0,5 (http://maps.google.com/maps?t=h&q=28.041546,-82.382519&ie=UTF8&ll=27.996148,-82.434117&spn=0.006991,0.021887&z=16&layer=c&cbll=27.996148,-82.434014&panoid=vWHXlPHAQTtjVWLXw3o_Ag&cbp=12,289.15,,0,5)

Title: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on November 06, 2009, 02:35:18 PM
Here's a picture of US 98 & Florida SR 50 in Ridge Manor West, looking east at Interstate 75 that I took in mid-October 2009:

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You can always add it to your collection of Florida SR 50 images.

Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 12, 2009, 05:15:25 AM
I remember hearing that FL-5's seperate section in West Palm Beach was going to be removed.  When will this totally happen?  Also, will FL-5 then be moved back over to US-1 and replace FL-805?  Because as of right now, FL-5 has a gap according to the FDOT GIS.

Also, does anybody know why the GIS data is showing US-1 on it's old routing between FL-704 & FL-A1A?  Seems really odd.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on November 12, 2009, 11:40:06 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on November 12, 2009, 05:15:25 AM
I remember hearing that FL-5's seperate section in West Palm Beach was going to be removed.  When will this totally happen?  Also, will FL-5 then be moved back over to US-1 and replace FL-805?  Because as of right now, FL-5 has a gap according to the FDOT GIS.

Also, does anybody know why the GIS data is showing US-1 on it's old routing between FL-704 & FL-A1A?  Seems really odd.

It was either a fellow poster (thomasvista) or someone else at FDOT who said the US 1 designation on Quadrille still had to be approved, but it has been removed from Dixie and Olive.

Quoting from District 4:
" As part of the City redevelopment plans FDOT is transferringsegments of the Olive/Dixie Corridor through downtown WPB from the FDOT tothe City. The Quadrille Blvd north - south corridor between Lakeview Ave(SR-704) and Quadrille Blvd. has been designated to replace the OliveAve/Dixie Hwy corridor as US-1 route designation."

Not sure about if SR 5 will be re-routed over SR 805 (like what happened with SR 651 in Pinellas County where it's still a state road, but totally hidden). SR 882 will be truncated to US 1 in "2010 following a scheduled resurfacing." There is still a JCT SR 5 assembly on it (in someone's yard!), heading EB at Old SR 5. Maybe the remaining SR 5 segments will follow suit at that same time.
Title: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on November 13, 2009, 02:58:39 PM
On November 5, 2009, I took these three shots of the Southbound Suncoast Parkway at the new Exit 16.
http://img43.imageshack.us/g/sbsuncoastpkwyexit16one.jpg/ (http://img43.imageshack.us/g/sbsuncoastpkwyexit16one.jpg/)

Go get 'em!

Title: Florida
Post by: florida on November 13, 2009, 06:46:29 PM
It seems SR 589 is the only route that signs Hillsborough CR 582 on Lutz-Lake Fern Road.
Title: Florida
Post by: simguy228 on November 14, 2009, 03:54:27 PM
FL... When I was younger I lived there.. When left FL about 2000 I just remember driving by the wore-out highway signs near Brandon... :coffee:
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 14, 2009, 11:10:04 PM
Can somebody point out what's wrong in these pictures? ;)

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More pictures are posted @ my blog on the I-10/I-95 interchange reconstruction. (the link is in my sig)
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on November 14, 2009, 11:34:47 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on November 14, 2009, 11:10:04 PM
Can somebody point out what's wrong in these pictures? ;)

Presence of SUVs.
Title: Florida
Post by: deathtopumpkins on November 15, 2009, 01:24:46 AM
Is that SERIOUSLY DUCT TAPE over those signs?  :-D
Title: Florida
Post by: froggie on November 15, 2009, 07:53:51 AM
The 45 MPH speed limit
Title: Florida
Post by: simguy228 on November 15, 2009, 08:34:15 AM
Oh yeah. I remember driving by those signs when driving up to TN :-D
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on November 15, 2009, 12:14:09 PM
The fact that you are already on U.S. 17 and Florida 228, since they were siphoned onto Interstate 10 at Exit 361 a few years back? If I remember correctly, U.S. 17 got realigned onto Interstate 10 at Exit 361, multiplexes with it until Interstate 10's end where it travels along Interstate 95 north to Exit 353B.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on November 15, 2009, 12:58:50 PM
For what's wrong: In the second picture, isn't that the exit for Forest Street (352A)? Aren't US 17/SR 228 supposed to be routed onto that when all the construction is done? If so, it shouldn't be TO, but NORTH?

------

Side note:

There is a new interchange being built on US 301 in Orange Springs for SR 26. SR 26 will bypass Orange Springs to the south, and the ROW looked big enough for a four-lane roadway; the bypass will be basically between the section of SR 26 that "curves" north into Orange Springs, so that curve will be cut out.

Plus, a lot of C- shields in Union and Bradford Counties have bit the dust. Everything from Brooker east to the CR 227/CR 18 split is gone (except one on a side road). A good five shields in Union County (that are visible on GSV) are gone. What a shame.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on November 15, 2009, 01:41:35 PM
Quote from: florida on November 15, 2009, 12:58:50 PM

Side note:

Plus, a lot of C- shields in Union and Bradford Counties have bit the dust. Everything from Brooker east to the CR 227/CR 18 split is gone (except one on a side road). A good five shields in Union County (that are visible on GSV) are gone. What a shame.

Does that include Keys shields and Coloured U.S. shields? Brent and I did some extensive research on GSV and jotted down the locations of over 20 sign finds. We've not yet gone into the field to document them however...
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on November 15, 2009, 01:53:35 PM
The colored U.S. shields are still there.

Locations without signs (but GSV still shows them):
Union County:
-CR 238A west at CR 239 (southwesterly of Lake Butler).
-CR 241 north at CR 241A
-CR 239 spur into Oak Grove Cemetary (both have been re-signed as CR 239B with pentagons)
-CR 239A at CR 239 (south of the CR 238A intersection listed above)

Bradford County:
-CR 235 north at CR 229
-CR 18 & CR 225 intersection in Graham.
-CR 18 & CR 231 (east-west section) east of Brooker.

Everything else is there, and a few surprises too....if you pick the correct road, you will find a dead bull on the shoulder!  :wow:
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 15, 2009, 05:57:25 PM
Quote from: flaroadgeek on November 15, 2009, 12:14:09 PM
The fact that you are already on U.S. 17 and Florida 228, since they were siphoned onto Interstate 10 at Exit 361 a few years back? If I remember correctly, U.S. 17 got realigned onto Interstate 10 at Exit 361, multiplexes with it until Interstate 10's end where it travels along Interstate 95 north to Exit 353B.

Quote from: florida on November 15, 2009, 12:58:50 PM
For what's wrong: In the second picture, isn't that the exit for Forest Street (352A)? Aren't US 17/SR 228 supposed to be routed onto that when all the construction is done? If so, it shouldn't be TO, but NORTH?

Yep guys.  Those signs shouldn't be saying "TO" for US-17 and FL-228, but should be saying "North US-17, East FL-228".  However, florida, those routes aren't suppose to be routed onto Forest.  They are going to be staying with US-23 once they leave I-95 as far as I know.
Title: Florida
Post by: simguy228 on November 15, 2009, 07:14:48 PM
And I thought PA was the worse state when it comes to guide signs :-D :sombrero:
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 17, 2009, 06:11:06 AM
I'm curious, has anybody been in Fort Myers lately?  The reason I'm asking is because of the US-41 Business route there.  From what I can piece together, it's Southern end is now @ it's intersection with FL-80 via StreetView (if you look @ Park Ave and even on FL-82, there are "TO BUSINESS US-41 (http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=26.641393,-81.860461&spn=0,359.993032&z=18&layer=c&cbll=26.641477,-81.860445&panoid=9lj5Gq-5UVm4j6DZuFTJrg&cbp=12,41.95,,0,1.26)" shields; and from the looks of it the "TO" banners are very recent because they are brighter then the rest of the sign).  Yet, the FDOT GIS still shows it going down to FL-82 and back to US-41.  Yahoo maps agree with what is in the field, Google agrees (somewhat) with the GIS files.  So, you can see why I'm a tad confused here.  I'm more inclined to go with what's posted in the field, but I've always liked to be "by the book" and have the correct route for stuff like this.  So, any help in this would be appreciated. :)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on November 17, 2009, 10:54:06 AM
There should still be an END BUS US 41 shield at US 41(?)
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 17, 2009, 07:31:16 PM
Quote from: florida on November 17, 2009, 10:54:06 AM
There should still be an END BUS US 41 shield at US 41(?)

I'm talking about the Southern end, not the Northern end.  I couldn't find any End shields for that end.
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on November 17, 2009, 09:02:08 PM
There is an END Business U.S. 41 shield at the southern end on Main Street just east of the U.S. 41 overpass at the foot of the Caloosahatchee Bridge. I saw it back in June when I was down last to visit my parents.

The signage you are speaking of is from when Business U.S. 41 use to follow Second Street with Florida 80. Business U.S. 41 then turned north onto Park Street where it heads to the northbound span of the Edison Bridge. It was moved further south to Florida 82 (MLK Jr. Blvd) some years ago. FDOT never took the signage down, or rather, they never removed the TO banner, as they should have.

Next time I go home to visit my parents I will try to take a tour of downtown to see EXACTLY how it is all signed now. It seems that every so many years the FDOT likes to reroute the downtown routes of Business U.S. 41 and Florida 80.

Hope this helps!
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 18, 2009, 12:05:57 AM
Yes, it did help! :)  I was able to find the End Bus US-41 shield along Main St via StreetView, even though it was badly blurred.  So, I'll now modify the route to match what the GIS shows because I still had it along the old route of FL-80 in Downtown. :)
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on November 18, 2009, 07:14:42 PM
Yeah, it can get confusing trying to figure out where the routes are in downtown. I'm not even sure if FDOT has it right, because I swear that the City of Fort Myers does its own thing when it comes to their downtown routes...
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 18, 2009, 07:16:26 PM
Quote from: flaroadgeek on November 18, 2009, 07:14:42 PM
Yeah, it can get confusing trying to figure out where the routes are in downtown. I'm not even sure if FDOT has it right, because I swear that the City of Fort Myers does its own thing when it comes to their downtown routes...

Well, the GIS shows a gap for FL-80 intown.
Title: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on November 18, 2009, 07:19:20 PM
Yes, from what I understand there is now a gap with Florida 80 in downtown. Google Map shows Florida 80 going down Main and First Streets while Bing Maps still show Florida 80 going down Second Street to Seaboard. I wish I could get down there soon to see exactly what Florida 80 and Business U.S. 41 does downtown now...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on November 25, 2009, 02:10:23 AM
Re: Fort Myers... SR 80 is split, and technically has two segments. It has a short routing from US 41 to the SR 82 Spur and ends, then it picks up from SR 739 and east. Business 41 goes up the small bit of SR 80, down the SR 82 Spur, then aross SR 82 to SR 739 and north to US 41.

Other things:
-SR 548 opened up the last segment, west of US 98/Florida Ave, in Lakeland. Its western terminus is at unsigned SR 600 (George Jenkins) where it turns from George Jenkins onto Sloan. There is an END SR 548 assembly there, too.
-The SR 539 and SR 563 intersection has been reformatted into a perpendicular intersection, as opposed to the curve SR 563 used to have around Lake Wire; the only thing left of that curve is the right turn lane for SR 563 NB. SR 539 has also been realigned as a more straight-shot from about Magnolia, south to SR 563. You can drive on the old alignments of SR 539, but they are cut off by the SR 548 viaduct now. There is an END SR 539 assembly, also.
-According to the contractor who did the work, Business US 98 is still alive and kicking :D And the US 33 sign is still on SR 33 just north of the US 92 intersection.
-In Plant City, the LGS with the older SR 39 shield on it, on CR 39B south at its turn west to SR 39, has been removed. Also, the two keys SR 574 shields have been removed from the CR 574A (Sammonds Road) intersection because CR 574A's approach has been remodified for safer use.
-There is still at least one last colored shield in Lake County...super-imposed over a another sign.
-Lake CR 565A (east-west section) has been realigned at its western terminus at SR 50.
-Sumter County has signed CR 567 and CR 730 along SR 471.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on November 25, 2009, 10:20:30 PM
QuoteAccording to the contractor who did the work, Business US 98 is still alive and kicking  And the US 33 sign is still on SR 33 just north of the US 92 intersection.

Wow, that shield is still kicking around?? I took a photo of it back in early 2006. Not surprised its still there, though...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on November 26, 2009, 04:56:40 PM
Here it is..
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And Business 98..
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Newly configurated SR 539 & SR 563 intersection.
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Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on November 26, 2009, 04:58:44 PM
If you love End/Begin signs..
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Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on November 26, 2009, 05:00:52 PM
How many different Crosstown Expressway shields can we find?
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Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on November 26, 2009, 08:51:43 PM
the first one is a classic.

wasn't Leroy Selmon a member of the Buccaneers team that went 0-14?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Bryant5493 on November 26, 2009, 10:25:22 PM
Alright, I was thinking about -- in the near future -- taking a roadtrip down to Albany (GA), following U.S. 19. I would start on the southside of Griffin, following U.S. 19 into Zebulon, Thomaston, Thomasville, then going into Tallahassee. From Tallahassee I would travel to Jacksonville, via a scenic route. I looked at MapQuest and avoided all Interstates. From Tallahassee, I would follow U.S. 27 South, picking up U.S. 19 in Jefferson County (FL), then follow U.S. 19 South/27 South into Perry, Florida. I would then continue to follow U.S. 27 South to Brantford, then pick up S.R. 247 East toward Lake City, Florida. From Lake City, I'd pick up U.S. 90 East, taking that into Jacksonville. While in Jacksonville, I would drive along I-295 (at the time I go, 295 would have probably taken over all of S.R. 9A).

Does anybody have any info on these routes? I've never been to the Florida panhandle, nor have I been on U.S. 19 south of Griffin. I'm shooting to do this roadtrip in the summer of 2011, if everything works out like I think it should.


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on November 26, 2009, 10:26:11 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on November 14, 2009, 11:34:47 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on November 14, 2009, 11:10:04 PM
Can somebody point out what's wrong in these pictures? ;)

Presence of SUVs.

Considering how many dirt roads there are in Florida, that's not really a bad thing.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jdb1234 on November 26, 2009, 10:34:39 PM
Quote from: Bryant5493 on November 26, 2009, 10:25:22 PM
Alright, I was thinking about -- in the near future -- taking a roadtrip down to Albany (GA), following U.S. 19. I would start on the southside of Griffin, following U.S. 19 into Zebulon, Thomaston, Thomasville, then going into Tallahassee. From Tallahassee I would travel to Jacksonville, via a scenic route. I looked at MapQuest and avoided all Interstates. From Tallahassee, I would follow U.S. 27 South, picking up U.S. 19 in Jefferson County (FL), then follow U.S. 19 South/27 South into Perry, Florida. I would then continue to follow U.S. 27 South to Brantford, then pick up S.R. 247 East toward Lake City, Florida. From Lake City, I'd pick up U.S. 90 East, taking that into Jacksonville. While in Jacksonville, I would drive along I-295 (at the time I go, 295 would have probably taken over all of S.R. 9A).

Does anybody have any info on these routes? I've never been to the Florida panhandle, nor have I been on U.S. 19 south of Griffin. I'm shooting to do this roadtrip in the summer of 2011, if everything works out like I think it should.


Be well,

Bryant

I know US 19 is 4 lane from Thomasville to Perry with a mostly 65 MPH speed limit.   I have never used US 27 east of Perry.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on November 26, 2009, 11:47:47 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on November 26, 2009, 10:26:11 PM
Considering how many dirt roads there are in Florida, that's not really a bad thing.


I'll bet most SUVs have never seen a dirt road in their life.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on November 27, 2009, 01:10:39 PM
Quote from: jdb1234 on November 26, 2009, 10:34:39 PM
Quote from: Bryant5493 on November 26, 2009, 10:25:22 PM
Alright, I was thinking about -- in the near future -- taking a roadtrip down to Albany (GA), following U.S. 19. I would start on the southside of Griffin, following U.S. 19 into Zebulon, Thomaston, Thomasville, then going into Tallahassee. From Tallahassee I would travel to Jacksonville, via a scenic route. I looked at MapQuest and avoided all Interstates. From Tallahassee, I would follow U.S. 27 South, picking up U.S. 19 in Jefferson County (FL), then follow U.S. 19 South/27 South into Perry, Florida. I would then continue to follow U.S. 27 South to Brantford, then pick up S.R. 247 East toward Lake City, Florida. From Lake City, I'd pick up U.S. 90 East, taking that into Jacksonville. While in Jacksonville, I would drive along I-295 (at the time I go, 295 would have probably taken over all of S.R. 9A).

Does anybody have any info on these routes? I've never been to the Florida panhandle, nor have I been on U.S. 19 south of Griffin. I'm shooting to do this roadtrip in the summer of 2011, if everything works out like I think it should.


Be well,

Bryant

I know US 19 is 4 lane from Thomasville to Perry with a mostly 65 MPH speed limit.   I have never used US 27 east of Perry.

US 27 east of Perry is 4-laned until Taylor CR 30, then it's two-laned all the way until Williston. There might be some truck traffic, but you're going through rural parts of the state (the town of Mayo is pretty much a blip). SR 247 is two-lane, until probably the greater Lake City area (haven't been on that road, surprisingly). US 90 is multi-laned until the east side of SR 10A in Lake City, then it's pretty rural until you get into Sanderson in Baker County. Of course, in Glen St. Mary and Macclenny you'll get some town traffic, but in Baldwin, the trucks join for a bit, and if you're really unlucky, the train will crawl through at 1 MPH.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Bryant5493 on November 27, 2009, 01:27:21 PM
Thanks, jdb1234 and florida. I went on Google maps and did a little scouting of the areas in question last night and this morning.


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on November 28, 2009, 09:11:32 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on November 26, 2009, 11:47:47 PM
I'll bet most SUVs have never seen a dirt road in their life.

I wouldn't doubt that, but I don't think it's as few of them as you might think.

edit: malformed quote
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on December 21, 2009, 09:44:13 AM
It looks like Brevard County will be getting a handful of new interchanges on I-95 in the next few years. Other than the new Pineda Cswy interchange that's under construction now, a pair of interchanges are going to be built to support the new parkway to be build around Palm Bay.

The parkway is going to start down where Micco Road crosses I-95 at a new interchange to be built. It is long-needed since it will be right in the middle of an 18-mile stretch of freeway with no interchanges and will provide much-needed access to south Palm Bay. The new parkway will continue around Palm Bay to the west, crossing US-192, and ending at a new interchange being built for the Ellis Road extension (which, combined with the NASA Blvd realignment, will provide much better access to the Melbourne Airport).

For whatever reason, they're building it as a surface road, not a freeway. The planners said it's going to be designed like John Young Pkwy in Orlando where there is a limit to the number of stoplights on the road. Personally, I think it's short sighted to not make it a freeway, but I guess it's not up to me! It's being funded primarily through federal earmarks. For a long time it looked like this road was just a pipe dream, but it's been approved by all of the required government bodies and looks like it's actually going to happen.

The other new interchange will be at the new Viera Blvd. overpass and was negotiated as a requirement for the county to approve Viera's expansion to the west.

More info on the new Palm Bay Parkway:
http://www.drmp.com/Brevard/Project_Map.html (for the northern segment north of Malabar Rd - CR-514)
http://www.palmbayparkway.com/ (lobbying website)
http://palmbayflorida.org/utilities/divisions/documents/proposed_parkway.pdf (entire proposed alignment)

On a side note, this will open up the creepy part of Palm Bay known locally as "The Compound" to development.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Compound
It's 200-miles of paved roads built by the General Development Corp that were never developed. It's creepy out there. There's no road signs (although arrows someone spray painted on the roads at some intersections point the way out if you're lost), lots of burnt out cars, and who knows what else. I've gone geocaching out there a few times and during the day, it's full of people flying model airplanes and rockets and people riding ATV's and dirt bikes. I wouldn't want to be out there at night. Even during the day, I usually don't go out there without carrying protection. I'm sure there's plenty of illegal activity going on out there, although the police do patrol it. The city has slowly been developing it from the east, and turned a part of it into a paintball park. The parkway will cut right through the compound. I don't doubt that utilities and then actual development will shortly follow.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on December 21, 2009, 09:19:52 PM
Quote from: realjd on December 21, 2009, 09:44:13 AM
For whatever reason, they're building it as a surface road, not a freeway. The planners said it's going to be designed like John Young Pkwy in Orlando where there is a limit to the number of stoplights on the road. Personally, I think it's short sighted to not make it a freeway, but I guess it's not up to me! It's being funded primarily through federal earmarks. For a long time it looked like this road was just a pipe dream, but it's been approved by all of the required government bodies and looks like it's actually going to happen.

:-D I'd like to know what section of JYP they're talking about.

Speaking of this road, Osceola County is building a new interchange on it at Osceola Parkway (CR 522); John Young Parkway will be on the overpass and Osceola Parkway will unfortunately have to keep stop-and-going underneath it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on December 22, 2009, 08:13:06 AM
Quote from: florida on December 21, 2009, 09:19:52 PM
:-D I'd like to know what section of JYP they're talking about.

Speaking of this road, Osceola County is building a new interchange on it at Osceola Parkway (CR 522); John Young Parkway will be on the overpass and Osceola Parkway will unfortunately have to keep stop-and-going underneath it.

I think they said JYP (at least south of I-4)  is limited to lights every 1/2 mile or something, which is better than most of the roads around here! The point was that it won't have lights every 100' for retail, side streets, and stuff like that.

I've always hated the Osceola Pkwy. Why should I have to pay a toll for a damn surface road?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 08, 2010, 10:09:43 AM
In honor of the frigid weather we've been having here in Florida, here's a picture of the start of the seven mile bridge along US-1. Notice anything unusual or out of place?

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Picture from AARoads
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Truvelo on January 08, 2010, 10:14:36 AM
Quote from: realjd on January 08, 2010, 10:09:43 AM
Notice anything unusual or out of place?

I'm guessing the icy sign next to the palm trees :colorful:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 09, 2010, 06:47:44 PM
Quote from: Truvelo on January 08, 2010, 10:14:36 AM
I'm guessing the icy sign next to the palm trees :colorful:

Yep! That sign always cracked me up considering it's never been anywhere near freezing in the Keys. I don't remember seeing a sign like that anywhere else in Florida, even farther north where it does occasionally freeze. Sadly, as of last summer, FDOT took it down.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on January 11, 2010, 09:15:45 PM
Almost needed that sign this past weekend with the arctic blast!! I heard that wind chills in the Keys were below freezing!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: froggie on January 12, 2010, 07:34:28 AM
When it comes to water (or other surfaces) freezing, wind chill doesn't apply.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on January 12, 2010, 10:30:15 PM
Well I said ALMOST needed the sign, not that it WAS needed. I was just commenting that the wind chill was below freezing. And yes, growing up in south Florida, I do know that wind chill factor does not apply... :)

I just found it ironic that the only place that a sign like that existed in Florida would have almost the right conditions for a freeze...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 16, 2010, 10:20:20 PM
Drove to St. Petersburg today, noted a few projects of interest.

http://www.mytbi.com/projects/projectinfo.asp?projectID=170&RoadID=1

A new directional ramp is under construction from Interstate 275 north to CR 296 west. This ramp utilizes the existing Roosevelt Boulevard from northbound to connect with Bryan Dairy Road. Widening of the current structure is also nearly completed.

http://www.mytbi.com/projects/projectinfo.asp?projectID=158&RoadID=1

Work on expanding Interstate 275 north between Himes and the Hillsborough River is essentially completed. Drivers shift over to the new four lane roadway from near the Dale Mabry interchange. Southbound remains along the old alignment parallel to the now abandoned northbound carriageway.

QuoteTURNPIKE WIDENING PROJECT–INTERSTATE 4 TO GOTHA ROAD (MILEPOSTS 259-265)
This $128.6 million project adds two lanes in each direction between Interstate 4 and the State Road 408 Interchange.  Construction includes widening the existing bridges over Interstate 4 and Apopka-Vineland Road, and replacing the Kirkman Road and Gotha Road bridges over the Turnpike.  Additionally, improvements will be made at the Interstate 4 and State Road 408 (East-West Expressway) interchanges.  This project is scheduled to be complete in August 2010.

This project directly ties into the widening west from the Toll 408 interchange. Jersey barriers still line the carriageways and the sound walls are nearly complete.

QuoteTURNPIKE WIDENING PROJECT — State Road 408 TO NORTH OF BEULAH ROAD (MILEPOST 265-270)
This $68.8 million project consists of widening of Florida's Turnpike (State Road 91) from four to eight lanes and six to 12 lanes from milepost 266 to milepost 269 in Orange County.  The construction includes widening of the bridges over Beulah Road. and reconstruction of the State Road 50 connector bridge over Florida's Turnpike, resurfacing existing pavement, construction of storm water retention ponds, signing and marking, lighting, landscaping, sound barriers, ITS and utilities.  This project is scheduled to be complete in August 2010.

New signs and such are posted for the SR 50 reconstructed trumpet interchange and the eventual two-lane ramps to Toll 429. Work west of this project is in earlier stages on expanding the roadway.

Locally, Good Homes Road and Colonial Drive are both under construction to be widening near their intersection near Pine Hills. The work on Good Homes eliminates a bottleneck between Toll 408 and SR 50.

There is only one button copy sign left on Interstate 275 north of downtown St. Petersburg. Some of the signs for the 38th Av N and 54th Av N exits were replaced. The lone button copy holdout is that of the advance sign for 54th Av N on I-275 northbound.
Title: Re: Florida (US-1/90 in Jacksonville)
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 17, 2010, 03:57:41 AM
Alright, I'm currently working on creating the FL State Highways (and making tweaks to the US Highways & Interstates to correct mistakes) for the CHM (http://cmap.m-plex.com/index.php) Project and I just came across something "interesting" when comparing an area with how it's posted in the field and how it's shown on FDOT's GIS files.

The part in question is US-1 (FL-5) & US-90 (FL-10) after they cross the Main St. Bridge in Downtown Jacksonville.  According to FDOT's GIS files (and all the online maps I can find), US-1, US-90, FL-10 all join up with I-95 for a short segment (meanwhile FL-5 follows the following route mentioned after this).  HOWEVER, according to signage in the field that I just recently checked with StreetView (which has been updated recently because of the better quality), it shows that US-1 and US-90 leave Main St to piggyback on FL-13 (Prudential Dr) over to Kings Ave.  Once they turn onto Kings Ave, they stay on it till US-90 leaves onto Atlantic Blvd and Kings Ave turns into the Phillips Hwy.

So, which is correct?  FDOT's own GIS files, or what's posted in the field?  If anybody has any info on this, I would greatly appreciate it.  Otherwise, I'll contact FDOT (via e-mail) on Monday and ask them this question (unless somebody else already has in the past).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on January 19, 2010, 12:07:42 PM
Even on the Highway Data CDs, it's shown the same way. There are several different segments of those routes, in that area, which do not "connect" to one another via the data. The "co-signing" of FL 5 and FL 10 on I-95 could be for the ramps that run along the south side of I-95 when connecting from The Main Street and Acosta Bridges to Phillips Hwy.

For example, FL 13 has a segment (the on-ramp, basically) from Water Street to just south of the northern beginning of the Acosta Bridge, then the ramp from I-95 (where Exit 350 splits into access for the two bridges) across the Acosta Bridge to off-load onto Riverside Dr SB, finally there is the surface street that zig-zags on the south side of downtown, but FL 13 is only signed on the surface streets, with no shields or trailblazers on I-95.

I believe what is signed in the field is correct because it is consistent with what FDOT does (not co-signing Interstates and US Routes unless there is no other choice).

This is almost like the Golden Glades interchange and Tampa International Airport where the ramps are considered state maintained, but not signed.


By the way, FL 537 has been deleted. And FL 825 has been added from US 41, north to FL 836 (there is also the older FL 825 from the Kendall-Tamiami Airport, north to FL 94. No idea if they will connect the two segments in the future....both of them are on SW 137th Ave).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 19, 2010, 08:07:26 PM
Quote from: realjd on January 09, 2010, 06:47:44 PM
Quote from: Truvelo on January 08, 2010, 10:14:36 AM
I'm guessing the icy sign next to the palm trees :colorful:

Yep! That sign always cracked me up considering it's never been anywhere near freezing in the Keys. I don't remember seeing a sign like that anywhere else in Florida, even farther north where it does occasionally freeze. Sadly, as of last summer, FDOT took it down.
I remember seeing "Bridge May Ice Before Road" signs as far south as Metropolitan Jacksonville on a family vacation to Florida back in 1975, and considering what I learned about Florida when I was a kid, it baffled me every time we went into some southern state and I kept seeing those signs.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 19, 2010, 09:09:49 PM
Quote from: florida on January 19, 2010, 12:07:42 PM
Even on the Highway Data CDs, it's shown the same way. There are several different segments of those routes, in that area, which do not "connect" to one another via the data. The "co-signing" of FL 5 and FL 10 on I-95 could be for the ramps that run along the south side of I-95 when connecting from The Main Street and Acosta Bridges to Phillips Hwy.

For example, FL 13 has a segment (the on-ramp, basically) from Water Street to just south of the northern beginning of the Acosta Bridge, then the ramp from I-95 (where Exit 350 splits into access for the two bridges) across the Acosta Bridge to off-load onto Riverside Dr SB, finally there is the surface street that zig-zags on the south side of downtown, but FL 13 is only signed on the surface streets, with no shields or trailblazers on I-95.

I believe what is signed in the field is correct because it is consistent with what FDOT does (not co-signing Interstates and US Routes unless there is no other choice).

So, you're saying I should re-route US-1/90 off of I-95 and onto the surface streets (which is what StreetView shows) instead of keeping them on I-95 (like the GIS shows)?  FL-5 is shown off of I-95 there, but FL-10 is shown on I-95.  So, with FL-10, keep that on I-95 just like in the GIS?

Here's an animated GIF I made out of the most recent GIS data:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv645%2Frickmastfan67%2FInterstates%2FFL%2FUS1-90_Jax.gif&hash=97cfad6f90d4f49d0f7b2dd84131ecfb1b3b1695)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on January 28, 2010, 01:07:45 PM
US 1 and US 90 are signed on the surface streets (Atlantic Blvd and Kings Ave). But there is no signage on I-95 NB for them, and there are BGSs for them on I-95 SB at the Phillips Hwy/Atlantic Blvd split (Exit 349?).

The curved SR 5 leg on the bottom of the gif is the on-ramp from US 1 NB onto I-95, but if you continue up to Atlantic Blvd, US 1 is signed west on Atlantic Blvd, underneath I-95, then north on Kings Ave.

The two parallel SR 10 legs, north of the aforementioned, are the on/off-ramps to I-95 (FDOT has this thing with including some exit ramps as state maintained mileage).

The SR 10 section on I-95 facilitates the connection from Atlantic Blvd to the Main Street Bridge, that's where the curved part picks up (at the Exit 350A mess). To me, that section consists of the far edge lanes on NB I-95 between Exits 349 and 350A.

The curved section of SR 10 is the NB off-ramp for Exit 350A (it is kind of long, which matches the GIS data), which continues onto the Main Street Bridge.

SR 13's curved section is where what's listed on Google Maps as the "Acosta Expy" begins immediately where SR 10's curved section branches north onto the Main Street Bridge.

As for US 1, according to the GIF you made there is no indication of SR 5 on I-95, but US 1 is on it...if that's the case, then US 1 would only travel on the extreme outer ramps (both or either NB and SB). Did they show all of SR 5 connected like that? Usually there is an orphaned section south of Atlantic Blvd.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 28, 2010, 06:32:36 PM
Quote from: florida on January 28, 2010, 01:07:45 PM
As for US 1, according to the GIF you made there is no indication of SR 5 on I-95, but US 1 is on it...if that's the case, then US 1 would only travel on the extreme outer ramps (both or either NB and SB). Did they show all of SR 5 connected like that? Usually there is an orphaned section south of Atlantic Blvd.

If you look at the FL-5 only segment of the GIF, it shows all of what FDOT considers FL-5.

Anyways, I got a response back from FDOT today about this.  According to them, US-1 is miss posted.  IT IS suppose to be on I-95 right there. (The response didn't mention US-90, so I sent back a response asking for a clarification on US-90.)

Quote from: FDOTThe correct route for U.S. 1 is the route shown on GIS.  The posted route on Kings Road and Prudential Drive is incorrect.  We are currently working on a plan to correct the U.S. 1 route markers in this area.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 29, 2010, 03:52:18 PM
Just got a response back on US-90 (as well as FL-5).

Quote from: FDOT
The route for U.S. 90 will be identical to U.S. 1.  State Road 5 will follow Kings Rd. / Prudential Dr.

So, does this mean that FL-5 will become unhidden in Jacksonville?  I don't know.  I sent a quick response back asking that question.  Odds are I will not get a response back till Monday on that question.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 29, 2010, 06:27:21 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 29, 2010, 03:52:18 PM
Just got a response back on US-90 (as well as FL-5).

Quote from: FDOT
The route for U.S. 90 will be identical to U.S. 1.  State Road 5 will follow Kings Rd. / Prudential Dr.

So, does this mean that FL-5 will become unhidden in Jacksonville?  I don't know.  I sent a quick response back asking that question.  Odds are I will not get a response back till Monday on that question.

Can you write your contact there and ask what the deal is with CR-399/SR-399 through the Gulf Islands National Seashore and southern Santa Rosa? It seems no one, nor the GIS data, can give us a straight answer on who maintains what...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 29, 2010, 07:18:49 PM
Quote from: AARoads on January 29, 2010, 06:27:21 PM
Can you write your contact there and ask what the deal is with CR-399/SR-399 through the Gulf Islands National Seashore and southern Santa Rosa? It seems no one, nor the GIS data, can give us a straight answer on who maintains what...

All I did was contact the PIO for the Jacksonville area.

Here's the page with all of their e-mail addresses: http://www.dot.state.fl.us/PublicInformationOffice/moreDOT/phone.shtm
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on January 29, 2010, 11:17:53 PM
How long has this "plan" been in the works? If it's been newly hatched, then that's fine, otherwise, the signs have been "incorrect" for a very long time.

Don't think they'll sign SR 5 on that short segment, it would be irrelevant (opposite of a roadgeek's wishes, though). If they do sign it, then I petition that SR 628 be signed too ;)

In the past, there have been breaks in the SHS on some roads.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Lyle on January 31, 2010, 04:07:31 PM
Hi, all. Did you know that they are building a connector between Interstate 4 and the Crosstown Expressway in Tampa, FL?

http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4555 (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4555)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 01, 2010, 01:44:21 PM
Quote from: florida on January 29, 2010, 11:17:53 PM
How long has this "plan" been in the works? If it's been newly hatched, then that's fine, otherwise, the signs have been "incorrect" for a very long time.

Don't think they'll sign SR 5 on that short segment, it would be irrelevant (opposite of a roadgeek's wishes, though). If they do sign it, then I petition that SR 628 be signed too ;)

You thought wrong. ;)  They do plan on posting FL-5 in Jacksonville. ;)

Quote from: FDOTIt is our intention to sign Kings Rd./Prudential Drive as State Road 5.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on February 01, 2010, 11:08:39 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 29, 2010, 07:18:49 PM

All I did was contact the PIO for the Jacksonville area.

Here's the page with all of their e-mail addresses: http://www.dot.state.fl.us/PublicInformationOffice/moreDOT/phone.shtm

Unfortunately the district 3 PIO is generally unresponsive...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on February 02, 2010, 11:49:58 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on February 01, 2010, 01:44:21 PM
Quote from: florida on January 29, 2010, 11:17:53 PM
How long has this "plan" been in the works? If it's been newly hatched, then that's fine, otherwise, the signs have been "incorrect" for a very long time.

Don't think they'll sign SR 5 on that short segment, it would be irrelevant (opposite of a roadgeek's wishes, though). If they do sign it, then I petition that SR 628 be signed too ;)

You thought wrong. ;)  They do plan on posting FL-5 in Jacksonville. ;)

Quote from: FDOTIt is our intention to sign Kings Rd./Prudential Drive as State Road 5.

That is really surprising! I'm looking forward to an SR 5 and SR 13 duplex.


District 4 is unresponsive too.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Scott5114 on February 05, 2010, 04:41:00 PM
This thread is deprecated. Please start new threads for each Florida related topic you may wish to discuss.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on February 05, 2010, 11:31:49 PM
I would like to keep this thread open and serve as it has in the past, a catch-all for most road related topics related to Florida. Being as there are currently 14 pages to the thread, I would say it has done pretty well. If anyone feels any different, maybe we can hold further discussions among the admins and the moderator for this particular thread.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on February 06, 2010, 06:01:03 AM
Quote from: mightyace on March 04, 2009, 02:53:47 PM
Quote from: flaroadgeek on March 04, 2009, 02:24:52 PM
Yep, it is. The toll hike is also partly due to lack of ridership on the tollways in the county. Since the OOCEA is not making any money they have to pass the buck onto the commuters and make them pay. Nice, eh? 

And, of course, the toll hike will lower ridership further.

There was a blurb on the local news how ridership has decreased over the past 20 months.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on February 14, 2010, 03:24:28 AM
Just a slight update. We went to try watching the shuttle take off on the night it was scrubbed and there were a few changes on SR 50.

-The traffic signal at Orange CR 419 and SR 50 has been replaced with....another spanwire. But, this means the "SR 419 / Chuluota Rd" signblade hanging from it has gone with the old lights.
-The speed limit through Christmas has been bumped up to 60mph.
-The state name I-95 shields at Exit 215 have been neutered, but the numeral specs remain the same.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on February 14, 2010, 10:58:20 AM
Was there any sign of construction at the intersection with Florida 50 and Orange County 419 to warrant another signal change? Maybe they are setting up the traffic signals in the area to be on a continuous circuit for better traffic flow, but I never understand why you have to replace the signals (or their locations on the span wire) and wire to do it...

Good to hear that the speed limit has been pushed up to 60mph through Christmas, though they should have just pushed it up to 65mph. Nobody ever adhered to the posted speed limit through there anyway.

Sucks to hear that those state named shields have been replaced with neutered ones. Boo... I'm betting the replacement shields were erected by FDOT, unlike the state named shields they replaced...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on February 16, 2010, 04:57:10 AM
It seems that Columbia School Road (opposite of CR 419) was widened at the intersection, and it looked like a couple other businesses popped up on that side of SR 50. How would it be a continuous circuit? It's the only signal in the area, the nearest ones are at CR 13 in Bithlo and Avalon Park Blvd....at least a mile in each direction. Just seems like a waste of money....not to mention, they installed those lighted street signs for the road names. Seriously?!

About time for the speed limit upgrade; the drop from 65 to 55 was wretched. Putting it was 65 would be too dangerous...reindeer would be killed. I bet, too, that FDOT re-installed them. Our money at work!   :clap:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on February 16, 2010, 09:05:44 PM
It was the only quick thing I could think of as to why they would replace the signals... :) I haven't been in that area for a couple of years now, so I was only assuming that more traffic lights had been added to the ever retail center/subdivision growing Florida 50. I do agree for whatever the purpose for replacing the signals, it was a waste of money (at last I remember it cost about $250,000 for signalization of an intersection...)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 16, 2010, 10:48:13 PM
Has anybody heard anything new on when US-41 signage will show back up past US-1 in Miami all the way to Miami Beach?  Last I heard anything about this was back in 2007.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Lyle on February 17, 2010, 12:06:26 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on February 16, 2010, 10:48:13 PM
Has anybody heard anything new on when US-41 signage will show back up past US-1 in Miami all the way to Miami Beach?  Last I heard anything about this was back in 2007.

I believe U.S. 41 ends at U.S. 1 in Miami now. Last I heard, the former U.S. 41 over the Causeway is now part of FL-A1A.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 17, 2010, 06:30:58 PM
Quote from: Lyle on February 17, 2010, 12:06:26 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on February 16, 2010, 10:48:13 PM
Has anybody heard anything new on when US-41 signage will show back up past US-1 in Miami all the way to Miami Beach?  Last I heard anything about this was back in 2007.

I believe U.S. 41 ends at U.S. 1 in Miami now. Last I heard, the former U.S. 41 over the Causeway is now part of FL-A1A.

US-41 is still shown to end over in Miami Beach in FDOT's GIS data.  Also I've seen it mentioned on a few FDOT maps with shields on the MacArthur Causeway over to Miami Beach.
Also, FDOT never officially asked the AASHTO to shorten the route back in 1999.  If they had, then this question would have never been asked.
Also, see this post @ the ushwys group over @ Yahoo (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ushwys/message/7877).  (You need to be logged in and possibly be a member of the group to see it)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Lyle on February 19, 2010, 01:04:48 AM
Oh. I didn't know that.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on February 21, 2010, 08:33:24 AM
Here is a lengthy article from the Orlando Sentinel discussing the latest on the Wekiva Parkway, the proposed 26 mile expressway that would provide the final link in the Orlando metro area beltway, connecting with Toll Florida 417 at its east end and a proposed Toll 429 at its southern end.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-02-20/news/os-wekiva-parkway-delay-frustation-20100220_1_wekiva-parkway-nancy-prine-state-road

It does mention in the article that the beltway could be finished by 2018, but I am not holding my breath...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on February 21, 2010, 01:40:24 PM
Quote from: flaroadgeek on February 21, 2010, 08:33:24 AM
Here is a lengthy article from the Orlando Sentinel discussing the latest on the Wekiva Parkway, the proposed 26 mile expressway that would provide the final link in the Orlando metro area beltway, connecting with Toll Florida 417 at its east end and a proposed Toll 429 at its southern end.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-02-20/news/os-wekiva-parkway-delay-frustation-20100220_1_wekiva-parkway-nancy-prine-state-road

It does mention in the article that the beltway could be finished by 2018, but I am not holding my breath...

The entire Illinois Tollway system was completed in three years... My have we progressed...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on March 19, 2010, 10:52:13 PM
FYI to all you guys out there, I've been working on the FL State Highways for the CHM site.  And I just had FL-A1A to FL-277 posted on the site.  So, take a look at what I have done so far. ;)

http://cmap.m-plex.com/hb/selecthwys.php?sys=usafl&rg=all&mt=g&gr=p&sub=Show
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on March 20, 2010, 02:56:30 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on March 19, 2010, 10:52:13 PM
FYI to all you guys out there, I've been working on the FL State Highways for the CHM site.  And I just had FL-A1A to FL-277 posted on the site.  So, take a look at what I have done so far. ;)

http://cmap.m-plex.com/hb/selecthwys.php?sys=usafl&rg=all&mt=g&gr=p&sub=Show

Very good work! Seems tough to accomplish, but now you've just got the easy routes ahead.

Are you doing the general routing of each road? (As in not getting too specific as to what's in the route log? Examples are old alignments, one-way-pairs, and ramps that are considered part of a state road.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on March 20, 2010, 10:33:30 PM
Quote from: florida on March 20, 2010, 02:56:30 PM
Are you doing the general routing of each road? (As in not getting too specific as to what's in the route log? Examples are old alignments, one-way-pairs, and ramps that are considered part of a state road.)

I'm not doing old alignments.  Only stuff that is current per the GIS data.  So, if it has an entry in the GIS data, it's game.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 21, 2010, 01:52:27 AM
I've noticed that Sumter County likes to make a lot of their signs this way. Here's one around the intersection of Sumter CR's 476 and 616 west of Bushnell.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg690.imageshack.us%2Fimg690%2F9928%2Fsumtercr616toi75.th.jpg&hash=7417bfe4023b1c2e92d27df460ff8fdd954ca545) (http://img690.imageshack.us/i/sumtercr616toi75.jpg/)

I'm going to leave the link around, just incase I want to do something else to it:
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/9928/sumtercr616toi75.jpg

Title: SR 85/Crestview, FL
Post by: allniter89 on March 25, 2010, 12:10:08 AM
http://www.cityofcrestview.org/announcements/SR_85_Access_Management_Plan.pdf
A plan to limit driveway access on SR 85 which is the main business route. SR 85 is completley built up with commercial buildings the entire length of town (7miles?), hardly any vacant land available, speed limit is 45 but you're lucky if you can do 35-40. A new squadron is coming to Eglin AFB just south of town and will bring thousands more to the area. I dont think this access/service road plan will help because they are terrible drivers here. As shown in the plan most of the accidents are rear-enders from tailgating and left turn accidents. I think what we need is a total bypass of the city but since the Govt ie Eglin AFB owns much of the land in this area, it would likley be a long process to persuade the Govt to allow us to use some of their land.
There has been a long running discussion of building a bypass for Ft Walton Beach on US 98 for  from Niceville to Mary Esther FL which would also require the govt ie Hurlburt Field AF Station to give up some land.
Instead they are building a flyover at the FL85/FL123 jct that is not even needed!!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 25, 2010, 06:06:25 PM
This sign used to be on the southbound off-ramp from the Suncoast Parkway at Florida State Road 52 back in the early-2000's.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg205.imageshack.us%2Fimg205%2F5083%2Ffloridaestateswinerysun.th.jpg&hash=996bb5f9ee68951915d21528bf18de9f9b059d12) (http://img205.imageshack.us/i/floridaestateswinerysun.jpg/)

It's not there now, because the winery isn't there now.

Two other views of Interstate 75 at the Hernando-Sumter County Line:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg338.imageshack.us%2Fimg338%2F3690%2Fi75hernandosumterline.th.jpg&hash=04fb35e77c0efc8a00ad71e1d8b6fc4015ff4ffa) (http://img338.imageshack.us/i/i75hernandosumterline.jpg/)(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg171.imageshack.us%2Fimg171%2F5421%2Fi75sumtercoline.th.jpg&hash=6bea1a6ac40937a655d9c75ebd5a25b67f753129) (http://img171.imageshack.us/i/i75sumtercoline.jpg/)

Sorry I couldn't capture a view of the Withlacoochee River.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 02, 2010, 07:44:03 PM
Trolling around the cflroads.com website, there are future plans to finally widen SR 483 in Daytona Beach (design begins in May).

-There is a project to rehabilitate the rigid pavement along an eight-mile section of US 92 near Clark Bay Road (in December). Hopefully, this isn't the start of the end of the concrete roadway between DeLand and Daytona Beach.
-Traffic signals will be installed at West Parkway and US 92 in DeLand this Fall.
-Red Bug Lake Road/SR 436 flyover will start construction in one year.
-Traffic signals coming to SR 436 and Orange Avenue in Forest City.
-International Parkway will be connected to SR 417, in Lake Mary/Heathrow, this upcoming Winter.
-SR 471 and Sumter CR 48 will get a traffic signal next Spring, along with some intersection widening.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 05, 2010, 05:32:35 PM
Orange CR 420 has been realigned at the intersection with CR 419 to "meet" the "broken" sections, and a traffic signal has been installed. No more dangerous stop-signed, waiting to make a turn onto CR 419 anymore. On the old alignment, they still left a tiny bridge and most of the road, so I'll get some pictures tomorrow of it. The orphaned section is now Old Lake Pickett Road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 05, 2010, 10:32:32 PM
Quote from: florida on April 02, 2010, 07:44:03 PM
-SR 471 and Sumter CR 48 will get a traffic signal next Spring, along with some intersection widening.
For SR 471 or Sumter CR 48?

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 06, 2010, 04:06:35 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on April 05, 2010, 10:32:32 PM
Quote from: florida on April 02, 2010, 07:44:03 PM
-SR 471 and Sumter CR 48 will get a traffic signal next Spring, along with some intersection widening.
For SR 471 or Sumter CR 48?

The way it was stated, just the intersection was going to be widened...most likely to add turn lanes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 06, 2010, 10:02:26 PM
Quote from: florida on April 06, 2010, 04:06:35 PM
The way it was stated, just the intersection was going to be widened...most likely to add turn lanes.
So just the one intersection and no others? Oh, well.


Anyway, what other state will you find rest areas with a sign like this?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg541.imageshack.us%2Fimg541%2F129%2Fpoisonoussnakewarningsi.th.jpg&hash=b5e596f164e206ecb6aa233db85b018c63ab4cde) (http://img541.imageshack.us/i/poisonoussnakewarningsi.jpg/)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 07, 2010, 11:48:36 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on April 06, 2010, 10:02:26 PM

Anyway, what other state will you find rest areas with a sign like this?



They have similar type signs warning of rattle snakes at rest areas in the desert southwest.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 07, 2010, 01:08:59 PM
yep, anything from west Texas to California.  Also, in Baja California, Mexico, at the rest stop on La Rumerosa pass, there is a warning sign about snakes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 11, 2010, 03:07:17 PM
Some pictures:

Indian River CR 611 at SR 60.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FP2130382.jpg&hash=f4c1d5b7bd6b28b4375cb3d15994155169a05909)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FP2130390.jpg&hash=cf0c35c88a24095a121d4a82d270d8fafe951454)

Obnoxious signs along SR 15 at SR 408 on the west side of Lake Underhill.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FP3050479.jpg&hash=8f7bd6eeba1d1cbd007017769d471c9d84d77e3c)

A nice relic on CR 507 at the Brevard/Indian River County Line.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FPC260150.jpg&hash=32fc29ca683a92eecc024bb7e92282718b93acd4)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 11, 2010, 03:14:15 PM
The wooden Taylor Creek Road bridge that is slated to be replaced soon.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FP3280574.jpg&hash=186feef2beff62824aa465384e0148defda94c99)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FP3280575.jpg&hash=8c7fe5e757356c42aa4eb37f8153e9af2faf4cb0)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FP3280576.jpg&hash=e5a2d9cb15672f9781629d88392bc8a48caabe86)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FP3280578.jpg&hash=93318e879aea057b416631d673cb2cfc1e2429d9)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FP3280579.jpg&hash=12e6d857cfea4a69e42d1fb41c33ca770af0e23d)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 11, 2010, 11:07:21 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on March 19, 2010, 10:52:13 PM
FYI to all you guys out there, I've been working on the FL State Highways for the CHM site.  And I just had FL-A1A to FL-277 posted on the site.  So, take a look at what I have done so far. ;)

http://cmap.m-plex.com/hb/selecthwys.php?sys=usafl&rg=all&mt=g&gr=p&sub=Show

Up to FL-508 now posted at the link above.
Title: Photos of SR 85 & 123 road work
Post by: Alex on April 16, 2010, 05:19:52 PM
Finally got a chance to try out the new camera. Took some photos of the SR 85 and SR 123 interchange work:

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-085_nb_app_fl-123.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-085_nb_app_fl-123.jpg)

Earth moving operations are quite evident on the west side of Florida north of Florida 123. This will eventually accommodate an off-ramp between northbound SR 85 to northbound SR 123.

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-085_nb_after_fl-123.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-085_nb_after_fl-123.jpg)

The first piles for the bridge over SR 85 for the new ramp rise along the east side of Florida 85.

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-085_sb_app_fl-123.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-085_sb_app_fl-123.jpg)

Looking south from Florida 85 at Florida 123. Additional ramps will tie into Northwest Florida Regional Airport to the east.




(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/plate_wall.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/plate_wall.jpg)

And for fun, my partially completed (and not quite so in alphabetical order) plate wall and a glimpse of a Jake-created blue U.S. 90 shield.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on April 16, 2010, 07:01:50 PM
Quote from: AARoads on April 16, 2010, 05:19:52 PM
Finally got a chance to try out the new camera. Took some photos of the SR 85 and SR 123 interchange work:

Nice pics! What kind of camera did you get?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ian on April 16, 2010, 09:57:56 PM
Quote from: realjd on April 16, 2010, 07:01:50 PM
Quote from: AARoads on April 16, 2010, 05:19:52 PM
Finally got a chance to try out the new camera. Took some photos of the SR 85 and SR 123 interchange work:

Nice pics! What kind of camera did you get?

He got a Canon Powershot A1100, which I suggested  :cool:. Alex, how did it work out for you? Nice pics!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 21, 2010, 12:36:28 AM
I just got a Kodak EasyShare C182 a couple of weeks ago, although I haven't taken any impressive road shots yet.

I do plan another road trip up north this Spring, and I'm definitley going to be taking some pictues, although most of them will be for railroad stations and historic sites for Wikipedia.

Perhaps I'll try to squeeze some road scenes in on this trip. I'd like to be able to get something that I can mount the camera on my dashboard with.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 21, 2010, 12:47:54 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on April 21, 2010, 12:36:28 AM
I'd like to be able to get something that I can mount the camera on my dashboard with.


I do not believe that is necessary.  The C182 is modern enough that if you hold it in your hand and point it through the windshield, it will take a high-quality photo.  Just take lots of photos; a few of them will come out!  that's the way I've always done things  :sombrero:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 21, 2010, 12:53:36 AM
I guess I could give it a try.

Hey, while we're on the discussion of I-75 in Florida, I've got two old proposals from FDOT and the Turnpike Enterprise for the redesigning of Exits 328 and 329.


This is the general proposal. If you'd like, I can also post a picture of the wetlands impact map.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg710.imageshack.us%2Fimg710%2F5516%2Fi75fltpkfl44reconstruct.jpg&hash=64eb9324f7c2a67dc21f65d3af5cff11aedb1bc1) (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/i75fltpkfl44reconstruct.jpg/)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 21, 2010, 12:58:59 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on April 21, 2010, 12:53:36 AM
I guess I could give it a try.


it is quite easy.  Modern cameras are amazing.  I use a DSLR as my primary setup, but my camera is a 2005 design (Nikon D50) and I have used several compacts that severely outperform it in all cases with the exception of a few extreme zoom settings.  
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on April 21, 2010, 10:16:27 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 21, 2010, 12:58:59 AM
it is quite easy.  Modern cameras are amazing.  I use a DSLR as my primary setup, but my camera is a 2005 design (Nikon D50) and I have used several compacts that severely outperform it in all cases with the exception of a few extreme zoom settings. 

I have both a Canon SD750 point-and-shoot and a Canon EOS XS DSLR. Both take excellent pictures, and I use both frequently. I've found that the major advantage that an entry-level DSLR has over a compact isn't necessarily the image quality itself (they'll often use the same image processor and sensors) but the ability to swap lenses and the fact that many companies don't allow the user direct control over aperture and shutter speed on many compact cameras.

For road photos, not having to look through an optical viewfinder is probably the biggest argument for a POS camera over a DSLR.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: TheStranger on April 21, 2010, 02:10:09 PM
Quote from: realjd on April 21, 2010, 10:16:27 AM

For road photos, not having to look through an optical viewfinder is probably the biggest argument for a POS camera over a DSLR.

Newer DSLRs now also offer live view in addition to the optical viewfinder...

With my Nikon D40, I find that my older manual focus lenses set to infinity actually make road photography much easier, as the issue of autofocus systems targeting the window or trying to acquire a target and struggling becomes moot.  I'd love to upgrade to a D5000 though at some point (can still use my oldest manual focus lenses, but has the D90/D300 sensor, video mode, faster FPS, and live view).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 25, 2010, 12:11:48 AM
So, anybody know what's up with FDOT not updating the GIS for the FL-548 extension?  I noticed it's already on OSM.  But I haven't seen anything "official"  on it yet.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 25, 2010, 07:55:51 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 25, 2010, 12:11:48 AM
So, anybody know what's up with FDOT not updating the GIS for the FL-548 extension?  I noticed it's already on OSM.  But I haven't seen anything "official” on it yet.

No idea about it, but the approval date was 12/02/2009.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 25, 2010, 09:57:33 PM
(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/us-098b_wb_at_i-110_nb.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/us-098b_wb_at_i-110_nb.jpg)

Spoke with the traffic operations designer/project manager at FDOT District 3 about six weeks ago and emailed him a list signing issues that need to be (or should be) addressed. Got a response from him last week indicating that they logged in my request and were reviewing. Well today I noticed that the missing sign for I-110 north from US 98 Business (Gregory Street) west, gone since Hurricane Ivan in September 2004, was finally replaced!

How it looked (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=pensacola,+fl&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=46.812293,114.521484&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Pensacola,+Escambia,+Florida&ll=30.419664,-87.205138&spn=0,0.018067&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=30.417092,-87.206535&panoid=xAwemUUNZRJkHw7flela1g&cbp=12,273.36,,0,-1.15) before the new sign was added.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 26, 2010, 02:44:14 PM
Nice of them to finally add it! I prefer to know where the on-ramps are going. Now, if they'd add some Business 98 markers somewhere....
Title: New overlays for Exit 10 of Interstate 10
Post by: Alex on May 02, 2010, 02:42:33 PM
We noted some sign changes for Exit 10 (U.S. 29) on panels for both directions of Interstate 10 on Friday. "Pensacola Blvd" was crammed in the various overhead signs for the directional-cloverleaf interchange...

Westbound signage:

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-010_wb_exit_010b_01.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-010_wb_exit_010b_01.jpg)

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-010_wb_exit_010b_02.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-010_wb_exit_010b_02.jpg)

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-010_wb_exit_010a_01.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-010_wb_exit_010a_01.jpg)

Eastbound signage:

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-010_eb_exit_010a_01.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-010_eb_exit_010a_01.jpg)

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-010_eb_exit_010b_01.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-010_eb_exit_010b_01.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on May 02, 2010, 05:10:41 PM
That brings back memories of Brevard County.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 10, 2010, 08:51:25 PM
FL-39A, legit or not?  It doesn't show up in the GIS data, however it's posted in the field.  Comments? (need to know if I need to add it to the CHM site for the FL highways part that I'm working on.)

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=28.016839,-82.138609&spn=0,0.003484&z=19&layer=c&cbll=28.016885,-82.138698&panoid=yz8NJYivxhOOJiKmlYGUdQ&cbp=12,91.44,,0,2.85
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=28.016802,-82.137893&spn=0,0.003484&z=19&layer=c&cbll=28.016896,-82.137892&panoid=GrvLQcvdyvOXfzFBjdp4DQ&cbp=12,18.87,,0,-1.79
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=28.01808,-82.137896&spn=0,0.003484&z=19&layer=c&cbll=28.018163,-82.137899&panoid=9FFubfeT1InWGaDFQ6o8_A&cbp=12,29.11,,0,4.31

If I need to add it, what's it's full route?
Title: I-375(FL) Exit Numbers???
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 14, 2010, 06:31:10 AM
Another question I have is.... Has I-375 gained exit numbers??  Wikipedia and the FDOT Interchange Report (http://www.dot.state.fl.us/planning/statistics/hwydata/interchange.pdf) both show that it has gained exit numbers for all it's exits EXCEPT for I-275's one.  Has anybody seen this, or have pictures of them?
Title: Re: I-375(FL) Exit Numbers???
Post by: Alex on May 14, 2010, 10:20:02 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on May 14, 2010, 06:31:10 AM
Another question I have is.... Has I-375 gained exit numbers??  Wikipedia and the FDOT Interchange Report (http://www.dot.state.fl.us/planning/statistics/hwydata/interchange.pdf) both show that it has gained exit numbers for all it's exits EXCEPT for I-275's one.  Has anybody seen this, or have pictures of them?

They did some sign replacement in 2007 down there, and no exit numbers were added. I highly doubt they will be added going forward.

GSV has high res photography down there now, definitely taken within the last two years, and there are no exit tabs here http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=st.+petersburg,+fl&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=43.443045,107.138672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=St.+Petersburg,+Pinellas,+Florida&ll=27.776994,-82.651327&spn=0.011904,0.034332&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=27.776977,-82.65123&panoid=Cif1uNwFs5TH2xIbwtrh_w&cbp=12,91.79,,0,1.29
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 14, 2010, 05:23:54 PM
That's why I asked if they were a recent addition to the highway.  Because it seems odd that they would list exit numbers in the Interchange Report for I-375.  Heck, even the MS&T data shows Exit #1's number.  So, I just don't know what to say.  I-375 in StreetView might have been one of the first to get the HD treatment, so things could have changed.


Also Alex, any opinion on my FL-39A question at the bottom of the previous page?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Stephane Dumas on May 16, 2010, 09:25:47 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on April 21, 2010, 12:53:36 AM
I guess I could give it a try.

Hey, while we're on the discussion of I-75 in Florida, I've got two old proposals from FDOT and the Turnpike Enterprise for the redesigning of Exits 328 and 329.


This is the general proposal. If you'd like, I can also post a picture of the wetlands impact map.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg710.imageshack.us%2Fimg710%2F5516%2Fi75fltpkfl44reconstruct.jpg&hash=64eb9324f7c2a67dc21f65d3af5cff11aedb1bc1) (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/i75fltpkfl44reconstruct.jpg/)



Vey nice proposal :)  but I wonder if you could do an edit of your proposed rendering to include a proposed but cancelled extension of FL-91/FL Tpk to Tallahassee?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on May 17, 2010, 08:51:55 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on May 10, 2010, 08:51:25 PM
FL-39A, legit or not?  It doesn't show up in the GIS data, however it's posted in the field.  Comments? (need to know if I need to add it to the CHM site for the FL highways part that I'm working on.)

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=28.016839,-82.138609&spn=0,0.003484&z=19&layer=c&cbll=28.016885,-82.138698&panoid=yz8NJYivxhOOJiKmlYGUdQ&cbp=12,91.44,,0,2.85
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=28.016802,-82.137893&spn=0,0.003484&z=19&layer=c&cbll=28.016896,-82.137892&panoid=GrvLQcvdyvOXfzFBjdp4DQ&cbp=12,18.87,,0,-1.79
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=28.01808,-82.137896&spn=0,0.003484&z=19&layer=c&cbll=28.018163,-82.137899&panoid=9FFubfeT1InWGaDFQ6o8_A&cbp=12,29.11,,0,4.31

If I need to add it, what's it's full route?

It's only signed from US 92 to I-4.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 17, 2010, 09:06:39 PM
Quote from: florida on May 17, 2010, 08:51:55 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on May 10, 2010, 08:51:25 PM
FL-39A, legit or not?  It doesn't show up in the GIS data, however it's posted in the field.  Comments? (need to know if I need to add it to the CHM site for the FL highways part that I'm working on.)

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=28.016839,-82.138609&spn=0,0.003484&z=19&layer=c&cbll=28.016885,-82.138698&panoid=yz8NJYivxhOOJiKmlYGUdQ&cbp=12,91.44,,0,2.85
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=28.016802,-82.137893&spn=0,0.003484&z=19&layer=c&cbll=28.016896,-82.137892&panoid=GrvLQcvdyvOXfzFBjdp4DQ&cbp=12,18.87,,0,-1.79
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=28.01808,-82.137896&spn=0,0.003484&z=19&layer=c&cbll=28.018163,-82.137899&panoid=9FFubfeT1InWGaDFQ6o8_A&cbp=12,29.11,,0,4.31

If I need to add it, what's it's full route?

It's only signed from US 92 to I-4.

But is it a legit route since it doesn't show up in the GIS?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on May 17, 2010, 09:09:35 PM
It's not on the Fed-Aid maps.

[From last July, some pages back in this thread]
Quote-Hillsborough CR 39A is signed as State Route 39A, reassurances and all from I-4 to about SR 574......are they redesignating it as an SR since it's a truck route bypassing downtown Plant City? It's not on the county road system anymore as per the 2008 FHD CD.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 17, 2010, 09:37:17 PM
Alright, for now I'll leave it off, but I'll keep tabs on that encase I need to add it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 18, 2010, 09:53:23 AM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on May 16, 2010, 09:25:47 AM
Vey nice proposal :)  but I wonder if you could do an edit of your proposed rendering to include a proposed but cancelled extension of FL-91/FL Tpk to Tallahassee?
Sorry, I haven't found anything on that yet.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: lamsalfl on May 18, 2010, 09:33:41 PM
I think we'll eventually see a Turnpike extension to Lebanon.  I wish we could extend it as an inland coastal route on the southern edge of Eglin for the Emerald Coast but I know that's just a pipedream.  I would love it if we saw a toll road from I-10 to Panama City if they aren't going to build an interstate.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Stephane Dumas on May 19, 2010, 05:54:39 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on May 18, 2010, 09:53:23 AM
Sorry, I haven't found anything on that yet.

The only thing about the extension to Lebanon is at a back-up copy of Mike Natale's toll road site located at the Internet archive http://web.archive.org/web/19990209002454/www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~mn2n/tollfl.html



Just fixed the quote.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 04, 2010, 02:46:59 PM
Here's a sign I'd like to see on the northwestbound lane of US 98 next to the Suncoast Trail Head near the current end of Suncoast Parkway.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg41.imageshack.us%2Fimg41%2F5066%2Fsuncoasttrailuturnsign.th.jpg&hash=45d87b62bb97b483d97350a5f41062e5bd4ca8bf) (http://img41.imageshack.us/i/suncoasttrailuturnsign.jpg/)
Left-turn access to the trailhead has been relocated west of the driveway since the road was widened to four lanes between the Suncoast Parkway and US 19, so this sign would be a good idea. I tried to suggest it to FDOT #7, but they turned it down.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on June 23, 2010, 06:32:31 PM
Are any of these still around?

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FIM004775.jpg&hash=a6dfe1fcd5348686b332b3701030abd1b0438351)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on June 23, 2010, 08:25:15 PM
Plenty of the green toll-type FL 869 signs in Broward.  What are rare are the Sawgrass Expressway signs with the frog logo.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on June 23, 2010, 10:28:48 PM
Thought they would be rare like the frog logos. I do have a picture of the frog one from Coral Springs (the only one I've ever seen down there).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on June 24, 2010, 02:10:50 PM
The intersection where I believe your picture was taken is northbound University Drive approaching West Sample Road, the center of Coral Springs.

When this intersection was greatly enhanced with new turning lanes a couple of years ago, the original frog signage for the Sawgrass Expressway was taken down and the green toll-type Sawgrass signs were erected.

You will find that there is a mish-mash of signs identifying the Sawgrass/FL 869, with most of the newest signs on the Expressway itself with the green TOLL bar and the white/black Florida graphic for FL 869 with a rounded bottom.  When the Sawgrass Expressway was widened from four to six lanes, nearly all the signs were replaced and mileage-based exits are in place.

Many of the Sawgrass signs at the exit ramps were heavily damaged during Hurricane Wilma (October 24, 2005), toppling completely, including the VERY substantial gantry AND poles.  There was a huge junk pile of broken, bent, smashed signs, crossbars, sign lights and gantries deposited at the exit ramps for US 441 and the Sawgrass from 2005-2006 and it took more than a year to replace all the signs.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on June 24, 2010, 03:45:28 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on June 24, 2010, 02:10:50 PM
The intersection where I believe your picture was taken is northbound University Drive approaching West Sample Road, the center of Coral Springs.

When this intersection was greatly enhanced with new turning lanes a couple of years ago, the original frog signage for the Sawgrass Expressway was taken down and the green toll-type Sawgrass signs were erected.

Exactly where it was. I wasn't sure if the signs were still around so I didn't want to give specifics ;) Thanks for the update. Did they also replace all the SR 817 & SR 834 signage at the intersection, too?

Quote
You will find that there is a mish-mash of signs identifying the Sawgrass/FL 869, with most of the newest signs on the Expressway itself with the green TOLL bar and the white/black Florida graphic for FL 869 with a rounded bottom.  When the Sawgrass Expressway was widened from four to six lanes, nearly all the signs were replaced and mileage-based exits are in place.

Many of the Sawgrass signs at the exit ramps were heavily damaged during Hurricane Wilma (October 24, 2005), toppling completely, including the VERY substantial gantry AND poles.  There was a huge junk pile of broken, bent, smashed signs, crossbars, sign lights and gantries deposited at the exit ramps for US 441 and the Sawgrass from 2005-2006 and it took more than a year to replace all the signs.

That would have been a nice pile to go digging through. The white on green signs are being phased out? Do the replacement signs still list the state road shields on them (even though no state routes touch the Sawgrass)?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on June 24, 2010, 05:18:52 PM
Yes, all the signs at the intersection of FL 817 and FL 834 have been replaced.

The new Sawgrass Expressway BGS all indicate Florida state route numbers that are not signed all the way to the highway.  Even the US 441 interchange indicates the unsigned FL 7.

The green with white letters signs remain at most of the entrance points.  BGS for the entrances to the Sawgrass have the newer map graphic with the TOLL bar.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on June 24, 2010, 05:38:56 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on June 24, 2010, 05:18:52 PM
The new Sawgrass Expressway BGS all indicate Florida state route numbers that are not signed all the way to the highway.  Even the US 441 interchange indicates the unsigned FL 7.

I think Commercial Blvd (or some other road in the area) has overhead BGSs indicating FL 7 with no mention of US 441 on them. Also, thanks for all the answers.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on June 24, 2010, 06:22:25 PM
Yes, the new overhead sign gantries at US 441 and Commercial Blvd indicate only the unsigned FL 7.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 25, 2010, 07:59:25 AM
Has anybody been on US 441 at the interchange with FL 46?


There are no BGS's and no sign gantries. What's up with that?


:confused:  :-/

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on July 02, 2010, 07:38:10 PM
The US 441/FL 46 interchange has always been like that for as long as I've known.

Went to the Daytona Beach area yesterday and this is what was sighted...

-Construction on US 1, removing the existing median and rebuilding it (possibly) similar to what has been done north of US 92, is underway from FL 400 to Magnolia Ave (one block south of US 92). Traffic lanes have been shifted into the right lane and its parking spots that were along the sides of the highway. A couple intersections have had an extra traffic signal attached, in each direction, to the spanwires because of that.

-Dunn Avenue is being extended westward to I-95. Not sure if there is going to be interchange, or how they'll do it, because Tomoka Farms Road runs very close on the west side of I-95.

-Widening of Williamson Blvd (CR 4009) is underway from Dunn Avenue to LPGA Blvd (CR 4017).

-On south-bound US 1 at FL 400, they've replaced the overheads with three huge, separate panels. One is a directional for FL 400 and the other two are trailblazers for I-4 and I-95. On north-bound US 1, the spanwire sign assembly has been removed and nothing has been put up as a replacement, so when you are approaching FL 400, there is only a JCT assembly and that's it.

-On US 1 north at FL 421/FL A1A, the overhead BGS has been replaced with three separate panels. Two are directionals for FL 421 and FL A1A, and in the middle is a trailblazer for I-95.

-On US 92 west of Daytona, where the connection to I-4 is, the old-style US 92 pull-through overhead has been replaced with two huge panels. One is a directional for I-4 and the other is a pull-through for US 92.

-An "I-4 Ends 1 1/2 miles" ground-mounted BGS has been put up on I-4 east-bound.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on July 04, 2010, 09:39:26 AM
Quote from: florida on July 02, 2010, 07:38:10 PM
-An "I-4 Ends 1 1/2 miles" ground-mounted BGS has been put up on I-4 east-bound.
Wow! It's nice to hear that Interstate 4 now has somewhat a mention of an end (though most know where it does end...) :)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on July 04, 2010, 10:47:51 AM
Quote from: flaroadgeek on July 04, 2010, 09:39:26 AM
Quote from: florida on July 02, 2010, 07:38:10 PM
-An "I-4 Ends 1 1/2 miles" ground-mounted BGS has been put up on I-4 east-bound.
Wow! It's nice to hear that Interstate 4 now has somewhat a mention of an end (though most know where it does end...) :)


They must've had to make a quick decision on it since the "I-295 Ends" sign will have to be revoked soon enough. (I didn't get pictures because I wasn't expecting it.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on July 04, 2010, 10:08:46 PM
Quote from: florida on July 02, 2010, 07:38:10 PM
The US 441/FL 46 interchange has always been like that for as long as I've known.

It's still a bad idea. I had to cross two lanes of traffic to get to the ramp. I'm going to write to FDOT #5 about it.


Quote from: florida on July 02, 2010, 07:38:10 PM
-An "I-4 Ends 1 1/2 miles" ground-mounted BGS has been put up on I-4 east-bound.

Any idea how long it was up? Because I drove through there in early June and there's a good chance I didn't pay too much attention to it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on July 05, 2010, 04:56:07 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on July 04, 2010, 10:08:46 PM
Quote from: florida on July 02, 2010, 07:38:10 PM
-An "I-4 Ends 1 1/2 miles" ground-mounted BGS has been put up on I-4 east-bound.

Any idea how long it was up? Because I drove through there in early June and there's a good chance I didn't pay too much attention to it.


No idea at all. It's been a while since I was last there and that sign definitely caught my attention. It could have gone up anytime from when the various, select BGSs (listed above) were replaced (project was planned to start in late 2009/early 2010) to sometime in June.


Oh, and a traffic signal has been installed at I-4 and CR 4146 (Exit 111A-B). It's for the turn lane from eastbound CR 4146 onto eastbound I-4, similar to the Maitland Blvd one.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on July 15, 2010, 05:26:05 PM
Had the Sunshine Skyway never been added to the Interstate system, Interstate 275 through Pinellas may have ended at 62nd Street South and been designated Interstate 175:

St. Petersburg Interstate Route Will Be A Bypass. (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=WLgMAAAAIBAJ&sjid=GWADAAAAIBAJ&dq=interstate%20175&pg=6990%2C1706756)

QuoteIf the Skyway is not upgraded, the interstate will end at 62nd Avenue S and pick up again a mile south of the Sunshine Skyway. In that case, the interstate through Pinellas would be called I-175, another indication of a by-pass route, Monts de Oca said.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Interstate275Fla on July 17, 2010, 01:04:35 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on May 14, 2010, 06:31:10 AM
Another question I have is.... Has I-375 gained exit numbers??  Wikipedia and the FDOT Interchange Report (http://www.dot.state.fl.us/planning/statistics/hwydata/interchange.pdf) both show that it has gained exit numbers for all it's exits EXCEPT for I-275's one.  Has anybody seen this, or have pictures of them?

When Interstate 375 opened in the late 1970's, it did have exit numbers:  Exit 1 for M L King St N and 8 St N and Exit 2 for 4 St N, both reached from 4 Av N.  The exit numbers were taken down as part of new signage replacing the original signage, which was part of a pavement rehabilitation project that took place in 2006.

I have pictures of Interstate 375 (the north downtown St. Petersburg feeder) over at Interstate275Florida.com, but they show only the new signage:

http://www.interstate275florida.com/I375.htm (http://www.interstate275florida.com/I375.htm)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on July 29, 2010, 07:11:45 PM
A couple notes from Downtown Orlando...

-The 1st generation non-keys shield for SR 527, north of Gore Street on northbound Orange, has been removed. It used to be signed at a pavement change, but there looked to be resurfacing of Orange between Gore and Lucerne Circle, so away went the sign.

-It looks like the "South SR 15 / TO SR 408" assembly on South Street, just east of Orange, has been removed. :(
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on July 29, 2010, 10:06:04 PM
This afternoon, I had a meeting in Miami-Dade County and this was the first time I had driven in the daytime down in '-Dade in about four years.

I traveled along the Sawgrass Expressway from US 441/FL 7, Interstate 75 from Exit 19 (I-595 and FL 869) to Exit 1B at the Palmetto Expressway and down the Palmetto (FL 826) to West Flagler Street, the east-west thoroughfare that divides the NW/SW gridiron of most Miami-Dade County streets.

There have been a tremendous number of BGS replacements with new gantries along Interstate 75, many heavily damaged after Hurricane Wilma on October 24, 2005.

For the first time, the State has installed highway shoulder light poles at the huge, multi-lane flyover stack interchange at I-75, I-595 and FL 869 (Exit 19).  This massive interchange used to be completely dark.

There has been a wholesale replacement of signs on the Palmetto Expressway and much of the construction has ended, leaving a largely 10-lane, median-lit expressway.  Nonetheless, construction and lots of earthmoving has begun to completely revamp the outmoded interchange at FL 826 and FL 836 (the Dolphin Expressway).  Since the exit from the Palmetto Expressway to West Flagler Street is only half a mile from the ramps of the Dolphin, the earthmoving mounds extend all the way to the West Flagler ramps.

I did find an oddity.  The "TOLL" bar on new shields for the FL 924 (the Gratigny Expressway) (say "grat-knee") is yellow instead of green.  There are also new signs indicating both Sunpass and Toll-by-Plate for FL 924, the toll booths having been removed about a month ago.

Permanently installed speed monitors with flashing red (over the limit) or solid yellow (at the 65 mph limit or below) are signed prominently on the northbound shoulder of the Sawgrass between Exits 11 and 14 immediately south of the Sawgrass "big curve."  All Sawgrass Expressway construction has also ended.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on July 30, 2010, 11:24:52 AM
If the yellow toll bar is for toll-by-plate, it sounds like a good idea for the difference in colors on the toll shield.

-----------

Brevard County may be getting a new "expressway"(??).

Quote
Construction could begin as soon as early next year on new $110 million dollar expressway in Brevard County. The 30 mile long expressway, which will not have tolls, will run from Micco Road in Palm Bay and then curve up along Interstate 95 to Ellis Road in Melbourne.
....
Brevard County, The City of Palm Bay, private investors, along with the Federal Government would pay for the project.

In addition to building the expressway, the Florida Department of Transportation is planning to spend $40 million to build two interchanges along Interstate 95 at Ellis and Micco Roads so drivers on the interstate can access the expressway.

http://www.wftv.com/news/24445523/detail.html
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on July 30, 2010, 04:10:04 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on July 29, 2010, 10:06:04 PMI did find an oddity.  The "TOLL" bar on new shields for the FL 924 (the Gratigny Expressway) (say "grat-knee") is yellow instead of green.  There are also new signs indicating both Sunpass and Toll-by-Plate for FL 924, the toll booths having been removed about a month ago.

Permanently installed speed monitors with flashing red (over the limit) or solid yellow (at the 65 mph limit or below) are signed prominently on the northbound shoulder of the Sawgrass between Exits 11 and 14 immediately south of the Sawgrass "big curve."  All Sawgrass Expressway construction has also ended.

Last time I was down in the Miami area was around May. This was before the Gratigny (FL-924) was converted to all-electronic toll collection. I noticed on a few interchanges on the Palmetto (FL-826) that the toll bar was indeed yellow, but some other shields had the green bar as usual on Florida toll shields. Can anyone confirm that all of them have been converted to yellow? That would be interesting if Florida is using the yellow color to distinguish toll roads with all-electronic toll collection from the ones that still accept cash.

Also last time I drove the Sawgrass (FL-869) was late June. Around the "big curve" you mentioned, there were speed monitors that showed your speed, if I remember. I'm not sure if they flashed red or not, but I'm pretty sure the speed around that curve is lower than 65. I wouldn't take that curve at 65 - maybe at 55 or 60. I'm not sure what the recommended speed around the curve is, but I'm pretty sure I went above it and I don't remember any flashing red lights. Anyone know if this is a fairly recent addition since last month?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on July 30, 2010, 06:35:50 PM
Quote from: florida on July 30, 2010, 11:24:52 AM
Brevard County may be getting a new expressway.

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Construction could begin as soon as early next year on new $110 million dollar expressway in Brevard County. The 30 mile long expressway, which will not have tolls, will run from Micco Road in Palm Bay and then curve up along Interstate 95 to Ellis Road in Melbourne.
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Brevard County, The City of Palm Bay, private investors, along with the Federal Government would pay for the project.

In addition to building the expressway, the Florida Department of Transportation is planning to spend $40 million to build two interchanges along Interstate 95 at Ellis and Micco Roads so drivers on the interstate can access the expressway.

http://www.wftv.com/news/24445523/detail.html


This proposed 32-mile expressway is going to be referred to as the St. John's Heritage Parkway (http://stjohnsheritageparkway.com/). The parkway was originally known as the Palm Bay Beltway and the Palm Bay Parkway. Plans call for there to be the two new interchanges at Interstate 95 at Ellis Road (north of the U.S. 192 interchange) and just north of Micco Road on the southern end, with at grade intersections along the corridor. A plan from DRMP calls for a signal at U.S. 192 with bridges over the C-83, C-52 and C-52 canals (with the C-52 canal bridge also going over Simon Road. The plan also shows a northern alignment referred to as the Washingtonia Extension that will parallel Interstate 95 immediately to its west from the SJHP north through the area of Lake Washington. The plan does not have any specifics south of Palm Bay Regional Park along Malabar Road. You can view the plan here: http://www.drmp.com/Brevard/Images/ProjectMap.pdf

Another document calls for the parkway to have speed limits of 45-50 mph with the capacity of traffic signals every quarter mile to one mile apart.
http://www.dot.state.fl.us/planning/systems/sm/corridor/study/Technical%20Memorandum%20Alternative%20Options%20and%20Policy%20Implications.pdf
(See page 21 of the PDF for this information)

And I was hoping for an actual expressway...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on July 31, 2010, 12:50:11 PM
I hope they realize traffic signals are a bad, bad, bad, bad idea. The way WFTV was reporting it made it sound like exits galore and cutting travel time by dividing up the traffic on I-95.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on July 31, 2010, 06:05:48 PM
Well you know how the media is about relaying stories to the public. That is why it pays to do some research before breaking the story...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on August 02, 2010, 08:09:06 AM
Here's a good map from the City of Palm Bay that shows the entire proposed alignment:
http://palmbayflorida.org/utilities/divisions/documents/proposed_parkway.pdf

They said they're going to model it on JYP in Orlando. They're going to limit the number of driveways and stop lights to supposedly minimize disruption. It seems shortsighted to me. I'd much rather have a proper beltway (even if it's tolled) than to have a surface road with even more lights.

And in other Brevard County news, the 6-laning of CR-516 (Palm Bay Road) is now done. Traffic flows MUCH better, although everyone here is still complaining about how the lights aren't coordinated (or if they are, they all seem to be coordinated 180 degrees out of phase).

And the Pineda Cswy interchange along I-95 is progressing nicely. I think I heard that it will open in the next few months. When it does, I'll try to get pictures.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 02, 2010, 11:59:54 AM
Quote from: realjd on August 02, 2010, 08:09:06 AM
And the Pineda Cswy interchange along I-95 is progressing nicely. I think I heard that it will open in the next few months. When it does, I'll try to get pictures.

Good! Do you happen know if it's going to be signed as SR 404, or does that come later?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on August 02, 2010, 12:54:35 PM
Quote from: florida on August 02, 2010, 11:59:54 AM
Good! Do you happen know if it's going to be signed as SR 404, or does that come later?

I'm not sure. It's a county project, but FDOT did kick in some money for it. If FDOT doesn't own the road, it isn't signed as a state highway, correct? In that case, I would assume it's going to be CR-404. When they realigned the intersection with Wickham Road, they put up new 404 signage for the realigned portion east of Wickham, but the currently open part west of Wickham isn't signed yet.

Once it's open, Viera is planning on extending Lake Andrews Blvd. south to meet up with it just west of 95, and they're working on bridging the 100 yd gap between St. Andrews Blvd. in Suntree with Brisbane Ave to connect up with the new Pineda extension. Longer range, the Space Coast TPO has in their 2035 plan to extend the Palm Bay Parkway north to connect with Pineda/Lake Andrews and also to connect with an extended Ellis Road at a new interchange with I95 between 192 and 518.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 06, 2010, 02:36:14 AM
Quote from: realjd on August 02, 2010, 12:54:35 PM
Quote from: florida on August 02, 2010, 11:59:54 AM
Good! Do you happen know if it's going to be signed as SR 404, or does that come later?
I'm not sure. It's a county project, but FDOT did kick in some money for it. If FDOT doesn't own the road, it isn't signed as a state highway, correct? In that case, I would assume it's going to be CR-404. When they realigned the intersection with Wickham Road, they put up new 404 signage for the realigned portion east of Wickham, but the currently open part west of Wickham isn't signed yet.

That's correct as far as I know; the only exception would be the toll roads. The new SR 404 signage on Wickham seem to be errors(?) since SR 404's western terminus is technically at US 1 (or the railroad tracks). Maybe they're being overzealous with it, heh.

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There is a lot of sad news concerning central Orlando. The last state-named I-4 shield has been Joehlered...ZOINKS!  :wow: [I am bummed out.] The lazy tard who took it left the JCT sign behind. Also, the old traffic signals at the Orange/Magnolia/Lakeview/Ivanhoe split-offs are being replaced with.....mast arms  :ded:  What a travesty!

On the bright side (if there is one), SR 527 has been resurfaced north of SR 50.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 06, 2010, 11:02:46 AM
Quote from: florida on August 06, 2010, 02:36:14 AM
There is a lot of sad news concerning central Orlando. The last state-named I-4 shield has been Joehlered...ZOINKS!  :wow: [I am bummed out.] The lazy tard who took it left the JCT sign behind. Also, the old traffic signals at the Orange/Magnolia/Lakeview/Ivanhoe split-offs are being replaced with.....mast arms  :ded:  What a travesty!

Indeed, it is very sad news to hear that BOTH the sign is gone and they are replacing the old signals [holds head down and utters major *sigh*]... :(

Maybe we should keep an eye on EBay to see if it (the state named shield) does indeed pop up on there. That will be a tell-tale sign on what happened to it...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ian on August 06, 2010, 12:57:09 PM
Quote from: florida on August 06, 2010, 02:36:14 AM
There is a lot of sad news concerning central Orlando. The last state-named I-4 shield has been Joehlered...ZOINKS!  :wow: [I am bummed out.] The lazy tard who took it left the JCT sign behind.

Man, Joehler must be having a sign theft escapade. The old Business Spur 495 shield in Lowell suffered the same fate. The JCT tab is all that remains.
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/MA/MA19614954i1.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on August 06, 2010, 01:35:55 PM
And people gave Jake so much shit for wanting to conceal the locations of sign finds...  :hmmm:

Both cases irritate me greatly. Its one thing if the DOT/City Public Works/Etc. just decided to replace the signs, or remove them completely (i.e. they were no longer necessary), but three cases where an old sign was ganked while the "JCT" panel remains (remember that US 611 shield?).  :banghead:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 06, 2010, 01:57:54 PM
honestly, if someone wants to yank a sign, I'd rather it be a collector than the highway department. 

Being put up on someone's warehouse wall infinitely beats getting melted down and turned into guardrails.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 07, 2010, 02:53:31 PM
ZOMG, you guys! Stay on topic!   :)

Quote from: flaroadgeek on August 06, 2010, 11:02:46 AM
Indeed, it is very sad news to hear that BOTH the sign is gone and they are replacing the old signals [holds head down and utters major *sigh*]... :(

Maybe we should keep an eye on EBay to see if it (the state named shield) does indeed pop up on there. That will be a tell-tale sign on what happened to it...

Agree about Feebay, just to see if the unscrupulous one shows up. But, it was only a matter of time before those lights became history; the ones at Virginia and Orange were replaced back around 2006 or so (and then you had Robinson/Orange, Concord/Magnolia, Mills/some road south of 408, South/Division, and Hughey/Robinson.....2003 was a good year for the old signals). This leaves six full intersections of old lights* still standing in the city, and one group has been mysteriously colored all black. [I'll find and post the photos of the extinct ones, and others in Daytona Beach that bit the dust as well.]

*Note: The term "old lights" does not refer to the rust-colored, button-backed ones that popped up possibly in the late 1970s, as there are still some of those around too.

Quote from: AARoads on August 06, 2010, 01:35:55 PM
And people gave Jake so much shit for wanting to conceal the locations of sign finds...  :hmmm:

Yeah, really.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 09, 2010, 07:18:34 PM
Speaking of Orlando, how is the interchange between Florida 50 and Florida 436 going? It's been a while since I have been down there.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on August 09, 2010, 11:08:21 PM
Quote from: flaroadgeek on August 09, 2010, 07:18:34 PM
Speaking of Orlando, how is the interchange between Florida 50 and Florida 436 going? It's been a while since I have been down there.

Last I saw it (late July 2010) I had to get my brakes on my car replaced so I was mainly trying to not hit the car in front of me so I wasn't paying too good attention to the intersection, but it did look like the interchange is complete. A look at the latest imagery from Google shows that the road structure and traffic signals and such are there. Really wish I took pictures when I was in that part of town.

In another part of the county (actually in Osceola), the interchange between John Young Parkway (SR-423/CR-423) and Osceola Parkway (CR-522) looks finished too, but there were still road work signs up as of yesterday. Looks like they're doing the same thing here as they are doing for FL-436 and FL-50. JYP has the freedom of movement, and so does FL-50, with Osceola Pkwy and FL-436 underneath with a SPUI.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 11, 2010, 03:45:16 AM
It is complete with SR 50 being six lanes until SR 408, where the next phase picks up. 'Texas U-turns' are in effect at the SPUI for SR 50's off-ramp traffic.

Speaking of the Osceola County one, Dan (SPUI) stated on the Yahoo group that Osceola and John Young Parkways have been christened Truck US 17/92....another truck route that follows county routes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on August 11, 2010, 09:37:17 AM
Quote from: florida on August 11, 2010, 03:45:16 AM
It is complete with SR 50 being six lanes until SR 408, where the next phase picks up. 'Texas U-turns' are in effect at the SPUI for SR 50's off-ramp traffic.

Speaking of the Osceola County one, Dan (SPUI) stated on the Yahoo group that Osceola and John Young Parkways have been christened Truck US 17/92....another truck route that follows county routes.

YES! I did notice Truck US 17/92 shields and trailblazers on Osceola when I drove it about 3 days ago. They're posted both eastbound and westbound. Sure did jump out at me.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 11, 2010, 05:25:31 PM
The new SPUI probably helped in re-designating it in Kissimmee.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on August 12, 2010, 08:15:24 AM
Hey, do any of you know what's going on with the north end of the 429? Last time I was there, it was under construction, but I didn't think they were starting work with the expansion west around Apopka to I-4 yet.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on August 12, 2010, 10:41:53 AM
Quote from: realjd on August 12, 2010, 08:15:24 AM
Hey, do any of you know what's going on with the north end of the 429? Last time I was there, it was under construction, but I didn't think they were starting work with the expansion west around Apopka to I-4 yet.

I'm assuming you're referring to 429's northern terminus with US-441. I still think it's a traffic light. The plan is to construct the extension by splitting current 429 south of 414. Current 429 will become 451, and the new 429 will remain 429 and also be multiplexed with 414, and run northward parallel to Orange CR-437.

I'm getting this all from a map I think I acquired from OOCEA's site.

As far as construction, I think the last time I was in that area was around February of this year - though that sounds like a long time ago and I think I visited that area not too long ago, like in the past few months. There was no construction back then. When was the last time you were there, realjd?

A quick look on OOCEA's site (http://www.oocea.com) reveals the last thing even mentioned about the Wekiva Parkway was back in December 2 of last year, and that was just a public workshop.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on August 12, 2010, 10:55:52 AM
The last time I was up that way was around April or May. It looked like they were reconstructing the intersection with 441 and the stretch of 429 immediately south of it. It wasn't very far along in the construction so I'm couldn't get a good idea as to what they were actually doing.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on August 12, 2010, 11:14:45 AM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.southeastroads.com%2Fimages%2Ffl-414_map.jpg&hash=801f1b8c9579dcef1b1b0c9456422e8f9598cfdd) (http://www.southeastroads.com/images/fl-414_map.jpg)

The section west of CR-437A remains unfunded. The section of existing Toll 429 north to US 441 will be left in tact as Toll 451.

Have not heard any news on the Wekiva Parkway in a long time either.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 12, 2010, 12:08:47 PM
Jesus demands keys shields and Floridachrome!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on August 12, 2010, 12:46:07 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 12, 2010, 12:08:47 PM
Jesus demands keys shields and Floridachrome!

He forsake this state the minute we put in electronic tolling!

As for 429/414, I just dug around a bit on the OOCEA website. The Wekiva Parkway segment is still in the design phase. Specifically, it's the portion from 441 up through Lake County to connect to 417 and I-4.

The portion south of 441, including rerouting 429 to the west and renumbering the current portion to 451, is considered Phase II of the SR-414 project. Design is done, it's just waiting for funding for construction.

Both portions are on the FY10-FY14 five year plan.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 12, 2010, 01:24:48 PM
Quote from: realjd on August 12, 2010, 08:15:24 AM
Hey, do any of you know what's going on with the north end of the 429? Last time I was there, it was under construction, but I didn't think they were starting work with the expansion west around Apopka to I-4 yet.

At US 441? If so, there was/is talk of extending some ramps up to Vick Road and Old Dixie Highway. And they reconfigured the on-ramp from northbound US 441 to SR 429 (via Google Maps).

There hasn't been any construction on the missing link; there is still fighting over the routing with Seminole County officials wanting a seat at the table to decide the route.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brandon on August 12, 2010, 01:47:28 PM
Quote from: realjd on August 12, 2010, 12:46:07 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 12, 2010, 12:08:47 PM
Jesus demands keys shields and Floridachrome!

He forsake this state the minute we put in electronic tolling!

He could redeem it if the state adopts EZ-Pass (preferrably before my trip down there in September).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on August 12, 2010, 03:00:30 PM
Quote from: Brandon on August 12, 2010, 01:47:28 PM
He could redeem it if the state adopts EZ-Pass (preferrably before my trip down there in September).

Us Floridians will gladly do what we can to take your money, but we also secretly enjoy making things as difficult as possible for tourists. Plus, if we start taking EZ-Pass, I won't be able to smugly laugh at all the out-of-towners stuck in line at the tollbooths!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 13, 2010, 08:22:46 AM
I still don't get why they need the multiplex of 414/429. :-D
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 13, 2010, 10:08:53 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 13, 2010, 08:22:46 AM
I still don't get why they need the multiplex of 414/429. :-D

Perhaps the powers-that-be thought it might be easier for motorists who wish to not go through Apopka to travel along the same route number from end to end instead of getting on one numbered route then switching to another. Just a thought.   
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 13, 2010, 03:10:59 PM
Quote from: flaroadgeek on August 13, 2010, 10:08:53 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 13, 2010, 08:22:46 AM
I still don't get why they need the multiplex of 414/429. :-D

Perhaps the powers-that-be thought it might be easier for motorists who wish to not go through Apopka to travel along the same route number from end to end instead of getting on one numbered route then switching to another. Just a thought.  

It's one more duplex for us roadgeeks to get pictures of, clinch, and to cherish :) FDOT has a history of duplexing routes like this: SR 437 & 438 and SR 434 & 419 and SR 231 & 235 (and even Former SRs 40 & 336, possibly).

Quote from: Brandon on August 12, 2010, 01:47:28 PM
He could redeem it if the state adopts EZ-Pass (preferrably before my trip down there in September).

Funny you say that because I received a coupon in the mail (along with a toll citation) for a free* E-Pass sticker [*Note: The sticker is free but you need to purchase $25 in prepaid tolls.]


Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 12, 2010, 12:08:47 PM
Jesus demands keys shields and Floridachrome!

And Secondary Routes, too!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on August 17, 2010, 05:10:16 PM
Just got back from a trip to Apopka. Took SR-429 from CR-535 all the way up to US-441. There was some construction near Exit 30, some orange barrels and such. Though I did notice that just west of the ROW of 429, near 414, there were construction crews and a big area of dirt. Looks like they're extending 414 westward. Not sure of any current projects with 414 but that's the only construction I noticed along 429.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on August 19, 2010, 08:11:43 AM
There are a few construction updates in today's paper about the I-95 widening through Brevard County:
* The widening between Palm Bay Road (CR-516) and Fiske Blvd (SR-519) will be finished in March or April - 6 months ahead of schedule
* The Pineda Causeway interchange will be opening in December
* The Viera Company, the owner of the Viera master planned community, is planning on widening Wickham Road (CR-509) to 6-lanes at and around I-95, one of the biggest bottlenecks in the county

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20100819/NEWS01/8190319/Wickham-bottleneck-in-Viera-to-be-eased
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 22, 2010, 10:40:54 PM
I'm excited for the Pineda Causeway exit to open.

As promised a few posts ago, a couple photos.

Some new end signage for I-4
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FEndI_4.jpg&hash=3465df04bd75e572f9182778ebf1bab5ba28258b)

Old signs at US 1 and SR 400
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FOld400.jpg&hash=52cae874491efde4e0b1a6ed39434350917cd46a)

New obnoxious signs at US 1 and SR 400
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FNew400.jpg&hash=17b5941aa9ba9bc5889e738dfe9fbb2c6b1731ad)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 23, 2010, 10:17:11 PM
Thanks for posting that Interstate 4 ENDS sign! Not that is anything too exciting, but at least there is another clear indication that the interstate ends. I remember the first couple of times driving on Interstate 4 and completely missing the END shield because I had to keep an eye on merging vehicles...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 24, 2010, 02:23:26 AM
Quote from: flaroads on August 23, 2010, 10:17:11 PM
Thanks for posting that Interstate 4 ENDS sign! Not that is anything too exciting, but at least there is another clear indication that the interstate ends. I remember the first couple of times driving on Interstate 4 and completely missing the END shield because I had to keep an eye on merging vehicles...

Sure thing. They've changed that now, with (temporarily?) the far left lane of the dual-lane exit onto northbound I-95 removed with a stripe-out, so that there is only one lane.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on September 03, 2010, 09:26:24 AM
On my way south, I noticed a END I-95 assembly...on the ramp to I-4 West.  Huh?

Also noticed a few BGS's with button copy on eastbound US 41 approaching the Turnpike.  Is there much button copy left in FL?

I think I'll be checking out some kodachrome in Boca, Lauderdale, and Miami this weekend.  Oh, and I have to take a picture of a non-neutered FLORIDA I-75 shield I spotted last month.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on September 03, 2010, 12:33:41 PM
Quote from: mefailenglish on September 03, 2010, 09:26:24 AM
On my way south, I noticed a END I-95 assembly...on the ramp to I-4 West.  Huh?

Also noticed a few BGS's with button copy on eastbound US 41 approaching the Turnpike.  Is there much button copy left in FL?

I think I'll be checking out some kodachrome in Boca, Lauderdale, and Miami this weekend.  Oh, and I have to take a picture of a non-neutered FLORIDA I-75 shield I spotted last month.

The quirky end I-95 sign on the ramp to I-4 has been up since 2001. I suppose its to let Disney bound tourists, that for them, I-95 has ended.  :banghead:

I am surprised there is some button copy left in south Florida. There used to be a number of signs along Interstate 95 through Palm Beach County retaining it. Have never seen a button-copy based shield though in use.

There are a few instances of red U.S. 1's in Miami, a classic state-named shield for I-95 down there, and a reverse US 98 and red US 1 further north (one in Boca, the other in WPB). Pm me and I'll give you exact locations if you want.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 04, 2010, 12:34:26 AM
Well, I got the message nearly a month ago, but FDOT #5 has given me the following answer regarding the signage for the US 441/SR 46 interchange;

Quote"At a cost of between two and three hundred thousand dollars each, we will not be adding overhead signs to indicate the junction of SR 46 with US 441.  In addition to the cost, it is unlikely there is sufficient right of way to safely install a cantilever structure along US 441.  While there had been no previous concerns expressed regarding advance notification of the junction, we will look at possible improvements to ground mounted signing approaching the interchange in both directions."

So even if they don't have BGS's for the interchange, they're at least going to let motorists know when they're coming close to SR 46, and that's good enough for me.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 09, 2010, 02:17:05 PM
Here's an unfinished photoshop of a sign tree that I think should exist at the east end of SR 54 in Zephyrhills:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg190.imageshack.us%2Fimg190%2F849%2Fus301andfl39signeastend.jpg&hash=e9d0c5282449f7848736a9a9cbeae2211db0f535) (http://img190.imageshack.us/i/us301andfl39signeastend.jpg/)


Currently, the "TO FL 39 -->" sign is on a separate signpost.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on September 10, 2010, 02:04:15 AM
Did they get rid of the END SR 54 sign?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 11, 2010, 01:46:19 AM
Quote from: florida on September 10, 2010, 02:04:15 AM
Did they get rid of the END SR 54 sign?
You know, I honestly didn't notice it.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on September 11, 2010, 05:42:10 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on September 11, 2010, 01:46:19 AM
Quote from: florida on September 10, 2010, 02:04:15 AM
Did they get rid of the END SR 54 sign?
You know, I honestly didn't notice it.

It looks like it from the photo. Didn't SR 54 used to be two lanes, without the median? The "old" sign assembly had END SR 54 on the left and US 301 [arrows, or JCT?] on the right (the picture is somewhere here), and when I took it, there was one of those black lamp posts which bisected the sign assembly straight down the middle.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 14, 2010, 04:36:50 PM
Well, in any case, there's some bad news on FDOT construction project. That big "improvement" projet they've got for I-75 in southern Pasco County; You look at all the construction, and you think  it's going to be widened from four to six lanes between SR's 54 and 56, right? WRONG! It's still four lanes wide, except at the new bridge over SR 54.

Furthermore, the new ramps that are going to prevent weaving between I-275 and SR 56, are all going to be designated Exit 275, even on I-275, where the new ramp is around the 60-ish mile marker.

As for SR 56 itself, it only goes as far east as Meadow Point Boulevard, but a recent Bay New 9 report claimed it was completed. That road's not going to be completed until it reaches US 301.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on September 16, 2010, 02:17:55 PM
I didn't know there is an extension of "SR 56" east from SR 581. Is this the beginning of the end for SR 54 (east of I-75) and SR 581?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 16, 2010, 05:36:49 PM
Quote from: florida on September 16, 2010, 02:17:55 PM
I didn't know there is an extension of "SR 56" east from SR 581. Is this the beginning of the end for SR 54 (east of I-75) and SR 581?
I doubt it. SRs 54 and 56 were supposed to run parallel to each other between I-75 and US 301, although a "West Zephyrhills Bypass" is planned between CR 577 and the intersection of CRs 54 & 579, which creates the potential for realignment of SR 54. SR 56 was always intended to go as far east as US 301 in Zephyrhills. Some maps in the St. Petersburg Times have already shown the segment between Morris Bridge Road and US 301 as having been built, and the land for that segment hasn't even been cleared yet.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on September 17, 2010, 08:12:17 AM
I would think that FDOT would want to streamline the SHS. Looking on a map, it's a convoluted state-maintained route across southern Pasco County. With the "extension of SR 56", it seems too crowded with state routes for a county like Pasco (don't get me wrong, I like more state routes, but some counties have a more basic setup and some are more complex...Pasco is more basic). If SR 54 is routed along the future bypass, then that would make more sense. With the way it's been dolled-up in downtown Zephyrhills, it looks more like a local-maintained route than a state route.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on September 25, 2010, 10:34:11 PM
Today I clinched the last piece of US 27 I had been missing in Florida...between I-75 and FL 29.  Not much to see except for lovebugs.  Lots and lots of lovebugs.  

I cut across FL 70 to pick up US 98/441 to head back toward Dade County.  Took a few snaps that actually turned out well for a change.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg36%2Fjcm9572%2FFlorida%2520Stuff%2520Summer%25202010%2FDSCF0002.jpg&hash=f3f9cb835cc775c2263668704987a2fff65480fb)
There was a stretch (I think in Martin County) where they were doing repaving, and the contractor kindly posted the "hidden" routes along with the US highways.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg36%2Fjcm9572%2FFlorida%2520Stuff%2520Summer%25202010%2FDSCF0006.jpg&hash=10eed3db7f0e0a85ed982753d37ab80b31633fcf)
FL 729 is posted with a TRUCK banner along its entire route.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg36%2Fjcm9572%2FFlorida%2520Stuff%2520Summer%25202010%2FDSCF0007.jpg&hash=6bbca8d746b930c04bc94c26c733816b2341f774)
I thought this may have been an old US 441 sign from behind, but when I investigated, I found this goofy looking thing.  And there was no mention of 441 or 98, just the state route.  There was another one on CR 880 at Twenty Mile Bend.

BTW, when was US 98 routed off CR/FL 700 and onto FL 80/US 441 between Twenty Mile Bend and Canal Point?  I did note one large error US 98 shield posted along FL 700 where FL/CR 700 cross US 441/98/FL 80.  I tried to get a pic but that one didn't turn out at all (of course).

The cutouts near Lion Country Safari (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL20050981) are still there but the "SOUTH" banner and the US 441 shield under the "NORTH" banner are now missing.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg36%2Fjcm9572%2FFlorida%2520Stuff%2520Summer%25202010%2FDSCF0011.jpg&hash=c9b071fb9053827c77041f81fd7ba3cffa76693c)
There are quite a few I-95 trailblazers along FL 80/US 98 but this was the only one I saw that wasn't neutered.  Not far from PBI.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on October 02, 2010, 02:15:14 PM
Sure, you can still find keys shields kicking around in North Florida without looking too hard.  But in Miami-Dade County?

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg36%2Fjcm9572%2FFlorida%2520Stuff%2520Summer%25202010%2FDSCF0020.jpg&hash=79744418c37013869a0236407d8342225b8b6e27)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 22, 2010, 04:52:55 PM
They just started mounting the first of the BGSs along I95 through the Brevard construction zone. There's a pile of unmounted ones on the side of the road just north of SR-514, and the first one to go up is at the Wickham Road (CR-509) exit southbound. Like the previous construction just to the north, they appear to be using overhead mounted signs rather than ones on the side of the highway. The one that's up has two lines - "Wickham (CR-509 shield) Road" and "Viera". This is the first time that Viera has appeared on a sign along I-95. Previously it indicated Satellite Beach and Patrick AFB.

I'm anxious for the Pineda Causeway signs to go up because I want to know if it will be numbered SR-404 or not, but no sign of them yet. I also want to see if they continue to use a US-192 shield with a black background on the exit signage or if they switch to the standard cutout.

I've started seeing some weird state highway shields in the area. They use the same Florida outline but the numbers are extra large, leaving much less white space on the sign. I couldn't find any pictures, but they really stand out. It makes the sign seem too cluttered IMO.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on October 27, 2010, 02:56:49 PM
Realjd, do those highway shields look like any of these?

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FIM007242.jpg&hash=c0749a413c7a2e618e1412fbdc0a0966eb67346c)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FIM005121.jpg&hash=1b780b6c92dbf2cfce877eaca1de3b7bcca7c50e)

[Edited to get rid of extraneous photos after the question was answered.]
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on October 29, 2010, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: flaroads on January 21, 2009, 12:39:55 PM
Switching highways but in the same general area, I have received word from FDOT that the new signage to convert the eastern half of the Jacksonville Beltway from  Florida 9A (http://www.sr9a.info/home.html) to I-295.  The bids are suppose to go out this September and the signage will be in place by sometime in 2010.  Also, once completely signed as I-295, the beltway will be split into the I-295 West Beltway and I-295 East Beltway with I-95 being the divider.  Exit numbers are already painted onto the off ramps on the eastern side but according to FDOT these may not be the final numbers (but I think they would be since they went ahead and marked them).  The only interchange that has exit tabs on the eastern half is at I-95 (heading westbound on 9A) and its exit number is 61.



Hecksher Dr/Zoo Parkway SR 105 exit has tabs as exit 41
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 29, 2010, 09:23:01 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on October 29, 2010, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: flaroads on January 21, 2009, 12:39:55 PM
Switching highways but in the same general area, I have received word from FDOT that the new signage to convert the eastern half of the Jacksonville Beltway from  Florida 9A (http://www.sr9a.info/home.html) to I-295.  The bids are suppose to go out this September and the signage will be in place by sometime in 2010.  Also, once completely signed as I-295, the beltway will be split into the I-295 West Beltway and I-295 East Beltway with I-95 being the divider.  Exit numbers are already painted onto the off ramps on the eastern side but according to FDOT these may not be the final numbers (but I think they would be since they went ahead and marked them).  The only interchange that has exit tabs on the eastern half is at I-95 (heading westbound on 9A) and its exit number is 61.



Hecksher Dr/Zoo Parkway SR 105 exit has tabs as exit 41

Been posted since October '09. ;)
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=1211.msg41359#msg41359
I have a picture posted of it at that link. ;)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 31, 2010, 03:01:25 AM
Quote from: florida on July 29, 2010, 07:11:45 PM
-It looks like the "South SR 15 / TO SR 408" assembly on South Street, just east of Orange, has been removed. :(
I took a walk arond downtown Orlando less than a month ago and it was still there, unless my memory is totally borked. Not that it's ever been correct (well, I think SR 15 did at one time go there, but the sign is way too recent for that).

One thing I like about Orlando is how the state roads that have gaps in maintenance are still signed as though they don't have any. For example SR 527 is city-maintained between Gore and Colonial, yet it's reasonably well signed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 01, 2010, 12:31:28 AM
This is under the Citrus Center in downtown Orlando (east side of Orange between Jackson and Church). Check out the arrows:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi56.tinypic.com%2F2mnkdxe.jpg&hash=2e8f905cebb2021f78626b096c8500484bf8d510)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on November 01, 2010, 12:33:09 AM
Quote from: mefailenglish on October 02, 2010, 02:15:14 PM
Sure, you can still find keys shields kicking around in North Florida without looking too hard.  But in Miami-Dade County?

holy hell, what is with the font on those numbers?!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 02, 2010, 09:59:43 AM
Quote from: florida on October 27, 2010, 02:56:49 PM
Realjd, do those highway shields look like any of these?

They look identical to that 537 shield. What's up with those?

Most of ours around here look like that 659 shield, but we have a few with a smaller font.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on November 04, 2010, 04:41:53 PM
Quote from: NE2 on October 31, 2010, 03:01:25 AM
Quote from: florida on July 29, 2010, 07:11:45 PM
-It looks like the "South SR 15 / TO SR 408" assembly on South Street, just east of Orange, has been removed. :(
I took a walk arond downtown Orlando less than a month ago and it was still there, unless my memory is totally borked. Not that it's ever been correct (well, I think SR 15 did at one time go there, but the sign is way too recent for that).

One thing I like about Orlando is how the state roads that have gaps in maintenance are still signed as though they don't have any. For example SR 527 is city-maintained between Gore and Colonial, yet it's reasonably well signed.

It is still there. I couldn't see it when walking around (imagine that) but have no problem seeing it while driving by it as recently as yesterday (among other times). Forgive my lax, or lazy(?), attitude when it comes to editing that post :D The 25-year-old I-4 shield still stands in that same area, too.

Quote from: realjd on November 02, 2010, 09:59:43 AM
Quote from: florida on October 27, 2010, 02:56:49 PM
Realjd, do those highway shields look like any of these?

They look identical to that 537 shield. What's up with those?

Most of ours around here look like that 659 shield, but we have a few with a smaller font.

Those megafonts show up in random places and there is usually only one. Does Brevard still have the ones where the number tries to hug the bottom and/or left margins? Those are annoying.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 04, 2010, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: florida on November 04, 2010, 04:41:53 PM
Those megafonts show up in random places and there is usually only one. Does Brevard still have the ones where the number tries to hug the bottom and/or left margins? Those are annoying.

A few of the megafont signs have shown up in recent months. One is on NB US1 at SR518. I can't remember where the others are.

Yep, we have a several where the number is at the bottom-left. I want to say that one of them is on US192 at A1A, but don't quote me on that.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 08, 2010, 03:15:11 PM
I just got back from a camping down at Bahia Honda in the Keys. On the way back I noticed some weird shields on new BGSs in the Miami area. They're the standard TOLL state road shield, except the top part is black on yellow instead of white on green. There's one NB on the Turnpike Extension at the 836 interchange, then a few EB along 836. Note that these are on the overhead signs only; the reassurance markers are still the standard ones.

I don't remember hearing anything about the TOLL SR shields changing, so I'm assuming this is just MDX doing their own thing.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 08, 2010, 04:23:58 PM
Yeah, it's an MDX thing for free sections of toll roads.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 08, 2010, 05:05:33 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 08, 2010, 04:23:58 PM
Yeah, it's an MDX thing for free sections of toll roads.

For free sections, MDX used to use the standard green TOLL signs without the word "TOLL" in them. This is different.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg521.imageshack.us%2Fimg521%2F5765%2Ftollyellow.png&hash=5b7a3401c496bc97499e93b947b6c957ba38acbc)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 08, 2010, 06:58:54 PM
Perhaps that's a portion that used to be free, and they're warning you that it's now toll?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 09, 2010, 10:05:58 AM
There are a few MDX roads that they added tolls to now that they're converting to toll-by-plate. I don't think 836 is one of them.

There are a number of variants on the toll shield in use - red vs. black state outline, squished into a square shape, etc. - but this is the first I've seen that used yellow. The shields did look sharp.

I dug around a bit in the 2009 MUTCD section on toll roads (http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/2009/part2f.pdf). It says (among other things):
Quote"A rectangular panel with the black legend TOLL on a yellow background shall be incorporated into the
guide signs leading road users to a toll highway (see Figure 2F-5)."

I wonder if this is MDX and/or FDOT trying to comply with that?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on November 10, 2010, 12:01:40 AM
Sorry I didn't get here sooner.  Yes, from now on, Florida's toll routes will be black/yellow instead of white/green to comply with the MUTCD.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on November 10, 2010, 12:51:28 AM
Quote from: AlpsROADS on November 10, 2010, 12:01:40 AM
Sorry I didn't get here sooner.  Yes, from now on, Florida's toll routes will be black/yellow instead of white/green to comply with the MUTCD.

Lame :thumbdown: and way to many signs to be replaced to bother with. I suppose they will be grandfathered in as old stock is depleted... 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 10, 2010, 01:37:03 AM
Quote from: AlpsROADS on November 10, 2010, 12:01:40 AM
Yes, from now on, Florida's toll routes will be black/yellow instead of white/green to comply with the MUTCD.

Any official source on this?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 10, 2010, 08:10:52 AM
Quote from: AlpsROADS on November 10, 2010, 12:01:40 AM
Sorry I didn't get here sooner.  Yes, from now on, Florida's toll routes will be black/yellow instead of white/green to comply with the MUTCD.

Does this include reassurance markers, or just shields on directional signs?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on November 10, 2010, 07:21:41 PM
Official source I couldn't say, although it may be buried back in the commentary on the NPA or may have come out just after the MUTCD did.  Whatever the grace period is, I imagine that's how long Florida will wait to replace the shields, though a lot of them are on the toll system and thus aren't subject to the whim of the FHWA anyway.  While I'm not tied to FDOT in any way, I'm sure shields on directional signs will follow the same rules, but those are even less likely to be replaced.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 10, 2010, 07:44:01 PM
Given that they have two interchangeable seemingly-randomly-chosen standards (florida outline black or red) I can see them keeping the green TOLL on some signs.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 10, 2010, 10:20:04 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 10, 2010, 07:44:01 PM
Given that they have two interchangeable seemingly-randomly-chosen standards (florida outline black or red) I can see them keeping the green TOLL on some signs.

Is it random? It seems the OOCEA uses the red Florida outline while FDOT/FTE/MDX/everyone else use the black outline. At least that's the pattern I've noticed.

FWIW, I liked the look of the yellow signs. They really stood out.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 10, 2010, 10:21:38 PM
There's been a few "red" shields posted by FDOT.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 11, 2010, 02:21:24 AM
And some black ones for OOCEA roads, I believe.

Here's a red SR 618: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=27.949687,-82.448777&spn=0.003971,0.0103&t=k&z=18&layer=c&cbll=27.949895,-82.448796&panoid=KtNijbAUUjL32f2F1HNkpw&cbp=12,353.57,,0,-4.8
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 11, 2010, 08:04:07 AM
The 618 is maintained by THCEA.

I've seen a few red toll shields on FDOT roads, like on I-95 NB at 528, but those are usually the larger OOCEA-style shields rather than the smaller ones typical of FDOT. As part of the construction, they replaced all of those with black-outline, smaller shields, except for the one on the C/D road which wasn't part of the construction.

I've noticed that the outlines on the reassurance markers also change from red to black when maintenance changes to FTE, for instance 528 west of Sand Lake Road, or 417 through Seminole County.

My absolute least favorite toll shield is the one on EB I-4 at the 417: http://goo.gl/FYGiN  It's all compressed, and you can barely read the numbers when driving by at highway speeds.

I like the red shields better, except they seem to fade quickly when compared to the black ones.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on November 11, 2010, 03:56:39 PM
Quote from: realjd on November 11, 2010, 08:04:07 AM
I've noticed that the outlines on the reassurance markers also change from red to black when maintenance changes to FTE, for instance 528 west of Sand Lake Road, or 417 through Seminole County.

There is only one black 408 shield, which replaced an OOCEA-type, on northbound SR 436 at SR 552 (Curry Ford). The old sign was larger than the current one.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 11, 2010, 06:55:45 PM
Quote from: realjd on November 11, 2010, 08:04:07 AM
I've noticed that the outlines on the reassurance markers also change from red to black when maintenance changes to FTE, for instance 528 west of Sand Lake Road, or 417 through Seminole County.
Yet the trailblazers on Universal Boulevard at SR 528 are all red. If there's a standard it's not being followed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 11, 2010, 07:58:40 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 11, 2010, 06:55:45 PM
Quote from: realjd on November 11, 2010, 08:04:07 AM
I've noticed that the outlines on the reassurance markers also change from red to black when maintenance changes to FTE, for instance 528 west of Sand Lake Road, or 417 through Seminole County.
Yet the trailblazers on Universal Boulevard at SR 528 are all red. If there's a standard it's not being followed.

Ok, I did some digging. Here's what I found:

FDOT Standard: http://www.dot.state.fl.us/rddesign/rd/rtds/10/17355.pdf (PDF page 9)
OOCEA Standard: http://www.expresswayauthority.com/Corporate/oursystem/assets/AuthGuidelinesSigning05.pdf (PDF page 87)

OOCEA seems to follow it religiously, FDOT not so much. It may have to do with the local contractors in the Orlando area just assuming red (actually orange apparently according to the spec above) outlines. Also, for city/county roads like Universal Blvd, I imagine the standards are less strictly followed anyway.

There was a note on the FDOT site that they are currently evaluating the current standards and making modifications for the new MUTCD. Nothing has been posted at this time, but it should soon they said.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on November 11, 2010, 08:04:36 PM
If everyone is referring to the outline of Florida on the toll shields, the outline is actually orange in color and not red (though it may look red at a certain angle).

As most of the orange outline shields reside in central Florida, there is one located up here in Northwest Florida, for FL TOLL 293:

www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19912932 (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19912932)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 13, 2010, 05:23:33 PM
Apparently the westbound Nocatee Parkway has been open to US 1 for almost a month: http://jacksonville.com/community/shorelines/2010-10-23/story/nocatee-parkway-opens-westbound-traffic
I can't find anything else about the eastbound half, so it may not be open yet.

Here's a map of the new segment: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=30.10433&lon=-81.45978&zoom=15&layers=M
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 13, 2010, 08:16:07 PM
On the open street map, I see a dotted line going south from where 9A curves. Is that going to be 9B? If so, it seems like a dumb road. Do they really need another freeway running parallel to 95 a few miles to the west? And the part east of 95 connecting with 9A doesn't seem like it really saves any time/distance.

They haven't renumbered 9A to 295-east yet, have they?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 13, 2010, 08:39:29 PM
Quote from: realjd on November 13, 2010, 08:16:07 PM
On the open street map, I see a dotted line going south from where 9A curves. Is that going to be 9B?

It is.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 13, 2010, 09:02:35 PM
Quote from: realjd on November 13, 2010, 08:16:07 PM
On the open street map, I see a dotted line going south from where 9A curves. Is that going to be 9B? If so, it seems like a dumb road. Do they really need another freeway running parallel to 95 a few miles to the west? And the part east of 95 connecting with 9A doesn't seem like it really saves any time/distance.
South of CR 210 is proposed CR 2209, a surface road. Much of this (including Nocatee Parkway) is being paid for by developers ("sprawl").
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on November 15, 2010, 08:22:01 AM
Quote from: realjd on November 13, 2010, 08:16:07 PM
On the open street map, I see a dotted line going south from where 9A curves. Is that going to be 9B? If so, it seems like a dumb road. Do they really need another freeway running parallel to 95 a few miles to the west? And the part east of 95 connecting with 9A doesn't seem like it really saves any time/distance.

They haven't renumbered 9A to 295-east yet, have they?

Not yet. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: CanesFan27 on November 15, 2010, 10:58:38 PM
Got this e-mail last week:

I was 10 when we moved here in 1961 and I remember the exit ramps on the Turnpike were painted orange.  Can you confirm this is true and do you have any pictures?  Or was it my imagination????

Figured I'd throw it out there for everyone
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 16, 2010, 10:56:55 AM
More updates on the Pineda Causeway interchange on I-95, as well as discussion on a future interchange with an extended Ellis Road in Melbourne:
http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20101116/NEWS01/11160312/Pineda-I-95-interchange-nears-completion
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on December 05, 2010, 08:48:17 PM
Keys shields no longer there:

CR 18A south at FL 18 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=brooker,+fl&sll=37.09024,-112.5&sspn=43.799322,140.273438&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Brooker,+Bradford,+Florida&ll=29.933143,-82.416086&spn=0,0.052142&t=h&z=15&layer=c&cbll=29.932984,-82.416133&panoid=TmpdZmElE8UJXGGSZigAjA&cbp=12,198.63,,0,4.48) - gone, replaced with an CR-18 pentagon.
CR 18 west of FL 121 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=brooker,+fl&sll=37.09024,-112.5&sspn=43.799322,140.273438&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Brooker,+Bradford,+Florida&ll=29.946382,-82.425313&spn=0,0.052142&t=h&z=15&layer=c&cbll=29.946378,-82.425171&panoid=w6sNANzCmgxyp1UEDJtUhw&cbp=12,274.74,,0,6.56) - gone, replaced with a pentagon; white guide sign still in place.
SW 44th Avenue north at FL-238 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=brooker,+fl&sll=37.09024,-112.5&sspn=43.799322,140.273438&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Brooker,+Bradford,+Florida&ll=30.003152,-82.547808&spn=0,0.052142&t=h&z=15&layer=c&cbll=30.003251,-82.547808&panoid=iQhjAXR2MgXTCyz2cxmZYg&cbp=12,23.39,,0,4.19) - gone, replaced with new FL 238 shield and CR 245 pentagon trailblazer.
CR 239A west at CR 239 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=brooker,+fl&sll=37.09024,-112.5&sspn=43.799322,140.273438&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Brooker,+Bradford,+Florida&ll=29.967613,-82.465439&spn=0,0.052142&t=h&z=15&layer=c&cbll=29.967603,-82.465315&panoid=TgpwlqVNR64OYLgholCjlg&cbp=12,270.47,,0,10.7) - gone, no replacement
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ian on December 05, 2010, 09:22:58 PM
Not sure if I posted this, but the 2 keys C-209A shields at this intersection have been replaced by pentagon shields:
http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=30.056206,-81.747808&spn=0,0.038409&t=h&z=15&layer=c&cbll=30.056146,-81.747875&panoid=hQTd9vtKFbYCPex6j4qmRQ&cbp=12,65.38,,0,5.68
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on December 06, 2010, 03:14:51 PM
^^Both posts above....At least we have clear pictures of some of them before they were replaced. I don't think anyone has pictures of any C-239 or C-241A signs in Union County. There were a couple C-239s near Oak Grove(?) Cemetery, but they were replaced with 239B pentagons....which is kind of acceptable.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on December 15, 2010, 11:49:02 AM
Had a chance to drive to Miami and did some exploring. FL 997 really needs to be widened (or at least resurfaced with turn lanes added); I was having flashbacks of how FL 5A in Daytona Beach used to be (the sections along the canal) before they widened it...and why my grandmother said it used to be called "Slaughter Road". It is the most neglected state route in Miami-Dade County and possibly the worst state road I have ever driven on in Florida.

The newest state route down there, SR 825 (the north section) is unsigned between US 41 and FL 836, but upon reaching it from westbound FL 836, there is a "trailblazer" assembly with just "North/South" tabs and arrows below them.

A lot of the cut-out signs along FL 826 and FL 874 are in their final days as there is a lot of construction going on. All of FL 874 is in the process of being widened and FL 826 had construction/widening going on between, at least, FL 836 and FL 874.

There is button-copy on Gateway Blvd, itself, in the West Palm area including a type of interstate guide sign that I can't remember seeing before. Also got some pictures of button-copy on Congress Avenue at its I-95 interchange.

It really would be helpful if District 4 would correctly sign US 1 northbound at FL 704. To still tell a motorist that "To North US 1" continues east on FL 704 and then have no other corresponding signage is extremely poor. US 1 was also resurfaced from FL 80 to FL 704 so guess what??! No more black US 98 shield on southbound US 1, instead there is a JCT US 98/FL 80 sign. RIP :(

These are some random photos to start off...

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The shield has a year of 1991 but the JCT tab is dated 1976. The font looks different than other types used and Agentsteel should enjoy this.

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Looking west at the western terminus of FL 9336, just in case anyone wanted to know what it looks like.

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Looking east from the western terminus of FL 9336. The first reassurance is just ahead.

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This is on Miramar Parkway eastbound...which hasn't been state-maintained for quite a few years.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on December 15, 2010, 11:54:21 AM
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Eastbound on the Congress Avenue connector.

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Southbound on Congress Avenue, itself.

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Westbound on Gateway Blvd.

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Eastbound on Gateway Blvd.

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This is the sign which I don't believe I've ever seen another type of....it was westbound on Gateway Blvd on the non-widened/spruced-up section as it does have a counterpart on eastbound Gateway Blvd which is just a normal BGS. (Thanks Palm Beach County for not upgrading Gateway Blvd east of I-95!)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ian on December 15, 2010, 04:41:36 PM
Quote from: florida on December 15, 2010, 11:49:02 AM
No more black US 98 shield on southbound US 1, instead there is a JCT US 98/FL 80 sign. RIP :(

Good thing I got a few photos of it when I was down there!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on December 15, 2010, 07:26:55 PM
Quote from: florida on December 15, 2010, 11:49:02 AM

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Looking east from the western terminus of FL 9336. The first reassurance is just ahead.
I presume you were going an unsafe speed until that point?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on December 16, 2010, 01:55:51 PM
Quote from: AlpsROADS on December 15, 2010, 07:26:55 PM
Quote from: florida on December 15, 2010, 11:49:02 AM
*picture*
Looking east from the western terminus of FL 9336. The first reassurance is just ahead.
I presume you were going an unsafe speed until that point?

Hah, sadly I turned around in the turn-off area, immediately behind the camera, and didn't have enough time to go 50 in a 35 zone (speed limit in the park) to get the night's dinner stuck on my front bumper. Maybe next time....if I feel adventurous to drive down to Flamingo. ;) The pavement in that section of the park was awesome, as if you traveled 60 years into the past.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on December 18, 2010, 09:10:27 PM
While doing my rounds this evening, I came across this article in the Orlando Sentinel:

East-West Expressway interchange with GreeneWay will be overhauled (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/os-xway-valencia-408-20101217,0,4917441.story)

So, in going to the OOCEA website I found their page on the reconstruction (http://www.oocea.com/Corporate/oursystem/SR408/assets/SR408-SR417Ninterchange.pdf), including a simple diagram showing what everything will look when construction is complete.

The main highlights of the project include removing the section of roadway connecting eastbound Florida 408 with northbound Florida 417 and southbound 417 with westbound 408, including the current interchange with Valencia College Lane, the widening of the 408 in the project area (from Goldenrod Road to the Econ Trail), and the addition of two new ramps at the current partial interchange between the 408 and the 417, thus making that interchange complete. The project will be completed near the end of 2012.

Some opponents of the project say that the removal of the Valencia College Lane interchange will cause more congestion in the area, as most students at nearby Valencia Community College use this interchange to access the school. This interchange is part of the original section of the 408 when the expressway ended at Florida 50 (Colonial Drive)(current Exit 34 on the 417).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 19, 2010, 03:11:48 AM
Thanks for the link. It's not clear from the diagram how the VCL connector will tie in at Chickasaw. I don't buy the explanation that they're doing it to get rid of left exits - when FDOT rebuilt I-4 in Tampa a few years ago they added left exits.

Interestingly, VCL was an at-grade intersection when SR 408 first opened.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on December 19, 2010, 11:06:20 AM
On EB 408, I've never had any confusion with regard to the left exit for NB 417. It's very clearly marked. On SB 417, even though it's well marked, the left exit for WB 408 always throws me. It's just counter-intuitive to have a left exit for a right turn. At least for EB 408 the left exit is for a left turn.

I have a similar mental block about the NB HEFT/874 interchange in Miami.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 19, 2010, 06:21:58 PM
And it really wouldn't be hard to change the exit from southbound 417 to a right exit while otherwise keeping the connector the same. As I said, I don't buy the reason. Perhaps they're going to sell the newly-vacant land to a developer.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on December 19, 2010, 08:17:58 PM
So they're getting rid of hidden FL-4080? I believe that's the hidden state road number for the connector between EB 408 and NB 417, and between SB 417 and WB 408 (hope I got those numbers and directions right). I can't understand why. I've taken that stretch between the two toll roads a few times, and it's more gradual and more direct than driving to the other interchange between 408/417, which is what I'm assuming they'll have drivers do once this project is complete. I agree that the directions and BGS's are well marked, but the lanes are kinda funky if you're not paying attention. Weaving may be the problem they're trying to eliminate.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on December 27, 2010, 10:53:45 PM
Quote from: florida on December 15, 2010, 11:49:02 AM
No more black US 98 shield on southbound US 1, instead there is a JCT US 98/FL 80 sign. RIP :(
Speaking of 98...apparently someone in Levy County found some extra money.  I went through Chiefland this past weekend and was STUNNED to see green ALT 27s, red 19s, and black 98's replaced with boring standard shields.  I didn't check them all but all the ones I did check had been replaced.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on January 08, 2011, 12:46:34 PM
It seems that the tolled "Lexus Lane" concept along a 21-mile stretch of Interstate 4 from Florida 435 (Kirkman Road) to Florida 434 (Longwood) is being discussed once more...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-interstate4-lexus-lanes-20110107,0,1082004.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-interstate4-lexus-lanes-20110107,0,1082004.story)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 08, 2011, 03:56:52 PM
I think it's a good idea. It doesn't matter what time of day; traffic on that stretch of I-4 is always terrible. It seems to be working out real well for Miami along I-95 (although I wish you could get form the express lanes to I-195), and the same with Tampa on the Crosstown Expressway.

Rep. Mica may have outlawed toll lanes on interstate highways, but I see no reason why an unsigned stretch of SR-400, contained entirely in the median of I-4, couldn't have them! :)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 08, 2011, 06:20:17 PM
speaking of SR-400, I have a few questions.  Are any or all of these statements correct?

1) per the 1945 Great Renumbering, SR-400 was the hidden route designator for US-92.

2) when I-4 was built, SR-400 was moved onto it.

3) thus, US-92 now has no hidden route designator.  (Or it does, if so what is it?)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 08, 2011, 07:09:31 PM
None are correct. US 92 was SR *6*00 in 1945. SR 400 was not designated until later, presumably during Interstate planning. (SR 700 is also a later diagonal, perhaps designated when US 98 was extended.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 08, 2011, 07:14:57 PM
To add to what NE2 said, US92 is currently SR-600. Before the renumbering, it followed a number of state routes:
    * SR 17 from Tampa to Haines City
    * SR 2 from Haines City to Orlando
    * SR 3 from Orlando to DeLand
    * SR 21 from DeLand to Daytona Beach
(from Wikipedia)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 08, 2011, 07:17:28 PM
thanks for the corrections.  I really had no idea.  so 400 and 600 run quite close together?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 08, 2011, 08:53:31 PM
Yes (especially at the US 301 interchange in Tampa).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on January 13, 2011, 04:00:25 PM
Updates to the State Road System for 2010...

-SR 15 has been added [again] from SR 526 (Robinson) to SR 50/US 17/US 92.
-US 17/US 92 now have a one-way-pair in Lake Alfred which [possibly] takes up some parts of CR 557 and CR 555. http://www.theledger.com/article/20101001/REPORTER/101009991?p=1&tc=pg ...On Google Maps, there is a dirt-like road, west of US 17/92, extending from the north side where it curves into the city of Lake Alfred to the south side where the 6-lane segment "used to end"....that's the routing.
-SR 46 has had some realignment at Osceola Road between Geneva and Sanford. Plus, the small section [79-020-000] that clipped Volusia County (0.103 miles) has been dropped.
-Quadrille Blvd in West Palm Beach has been added as US 1/SR 5. Yet, SR 5 on Olive from Belvedere to Southern has been deleted, as has SR 882 east of US 1 and the tiny section of SR 5 on Palm Beach Lakes Blvd/12th St between Dixie and Olive.
-Jacksonville had the deletion of extraneous sections of SR 5/SR 228 in downtown.
-Various tiny tidbit [ramp] sections of SR 60 near Tampa International Airport have been both deleted and added.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 13, 2011, 06:03:11 PM
Quote from: florida on January 13, 2011, 04:00:25 PM
-SR 15 has been added [again] from SR 526 (Robinson) to SR 50/US 17/US 92.
Meaning it's now state-maintained there?

Quote from: florida on January 13, 2011, 04:00:25 PM
-US 17/US 92 now have a one-way-pair in Lake Alfred which [possibly] takes up some parts of CR 557 and CR 555.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.08745&lon=-81.72949&zoom=16&layers=M
CR 557 was realigned and part of CR 555 was used for the southbound lanes. Since it was still under construction last time I was there, I don't know if CR 555 is still signed at all.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on January 13, 2011, 07:33:39 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 13, 2011, 06:03:11 PM
Quote from: florida on January 13, 2011, 04:00:25 PM
-SR 15 has been added [again] from SR 526 (Robinson) to SR 50/US 17/US 92.
Meaning it's now state-maintained there?

Yes, even on the Fed-Aid maps (updated at the beginning of the month) show it highlighted.

Quote
Quote from: florida on January 13, 2011, 04:00:25 PM
-US 17/US 92 now have a one-way-pair in Lake Alfred which [possibly] takes up some parts of CR 557 and CR 555.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.08745&lon=-81.72949&zoom=16&layers=M
CR 557 was realigned and part of CR 555 was used for the southbound lanes. Since it was still under construction last time I was there, I don't know if CR 555 is still signed at all.

Thanks for the map. Interesting how they did it. If CR 555 is still signed, it would most likely be remnant signage at its south end.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 13, 2011, 08:03:11 PM
florida, I can't believe you missed that FDOT now has I-295 shown as an entire loop in Jacksonville in the GIS files.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 13, 2011, 10:13:37 PM
Quote from: florida on January 13, 2011, 04:00:25 PM
-SR 46 has had some realignment at Osceola Road between Geneva and Sanford. Plus, the small section [79-020-000] that clipped Volusia County (0.103 miles) has been dropped.

So it's not a state highway anymore through Volusia County? Are you sure it's only .103 miles through Volusia? The little leg of Volusia that drops south is narrow but I don't remember it being that narrow...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Eth on January 13, 2011, 10:48:16 PM
I think he's referring to this part:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ften93.com%2F2011%2Ffl46volusia.png&hash=9d6cf720cea8eac0bfdea5baebbd3d58e103c023)

SR 46 also passes through Volusia again farther east for what looks like three or four miles.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 13, 2011, 11:01:40 PM
Ok, I didn't know it did that. I was thinking of the stretch through the far south tip of Volusia farther east. I haven't driven it farther west than CR426 which is my normal route to go to the Little Big Econ State Forest.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on January 14, 2011, 05:19:34 PM
Quote from: florida on January 13, 2011, 04:00:25 PM
Updates to the State Road System for 2010...

-SR 15 has been added [again] from SR 526 (Robinson) to SR 50/US 17/US 92.
-US 17/US 92 now have a one-way-pair in Lake Alfred which [possibly] takes up some parts of CR 557 and CR 555. http://www.theledger.com/article/20101001/REPORTER/101009991?p=1&tc=pg ...On Google Maps, there is a dirt-like road, west of US 17/92, extending from the north side where it curves into the city of Lake Alfred to the south side where the 6-lane segment "used to end"....that's the routing.
-SR 46 has had some realignment at Osceola Road between Geneva and Sanford. Plus, the small section [79-020-000] that clipped Volusia County (0.103 miles) has been dropped.
-Quadrille Blvd in West Palm Beach has been added as US 1/SR 5. Yet, SR 5 on Olive from Belvedere to Southern has been deleted, as has SR 882 east of US 1 and the tiny section of SR 5 on Palm Beach Lakes Blvd/12th St between Dixie and Olive.
-Jacksonville had the deletion of extraneous sections of SR 5/SR 228 in downtown.
-Various tiny tidbit [ramp] sections of SR 60 near Tampa International Airport have been both deleted and added.

So Is SR 228 discontinuous?   It is signed as a multiplex on US17 between SR129(McDuff Ave) and I-10.. There are sporadic signg directing you on Monroe St/Adams St but not signed at all on the Hard Bridge.  The only place I see 228 refering to the Hart Bridge Expressway is GPS or the Traffic reports on the Weather Channel
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 14, 2011, 05:34:25 PM
SR 228 is signed all along I-10 and I-95. Whether FDOT's GIS data reflects this is not too relevant. Personally I would have said screw state maintenance and routed it along Adams/Forsyth direct to I-95.

But, to answer your question literally, SR 228 is discontinuous. There's a piece of CR 228 between Macclenny and Maxville.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on January 15, 2011, 04:36:02 PM
Sorry for all the confusion.

Quote from: realjd on January 13, 2011, 10:13:37 PM
So it's not a state highway anymore through Volusia County? Are you sure it's only .103 miles through Volusia? The little leg of Volusia that drops south is narrow but I don't remember it being that narrow...

I couldn't place the smaller section without a clear map, but thanks to Eth, it makes sense now with the realigned portion at Osceola Road. Haven't been up there lately, but seems they built a new bridge which wasn't routed through Volusia County.

As for SR 228, first it was taken off College/Post Streets (along with US 17), but there was remnant state maintenance along Water and Bay Streets in downtown that included portions of SR 5 listed along them.

"West Bay Street from Ocean Street to Jefferson Street (SR 5)
Water Street from Jefferson Street to and including a portion of Ocean Street (SR 5 from Jefferson to Broad, rest is SR 228)
Jefferson Street from Water Street to West Bay Street (SR 5)
Riverside Avenue from the on ramp of the Acosta Bridge to Water Street (SR 228)
Broad Street from Water Street to West Bay Street (SR 5)"
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 15, 2011, 04:49:52 PM
Does SR 211 make it to the Acosta Bridge?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on January 15, 2011, 05:46:00 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 15, 2011, 04:49:52 PM
Does SR 211 make it to the Acosta Bridge?

According to the maps, it looks like it ends around Roselle Street (just on the north side of I-95), but the Fed-Aid Report says Peninsular Place. It used to extend to Alfred Dupont Place where the now-defunct section of SR 228 started from (again). There is still a 0.241 mile section maintained on northbound Riverside Drive at the Acosta Bridge from about Leila Street to Water Street. The two ramps of the Acosta Bridge (northbound off and southbound on) are still state maintained as they're part of SR 13.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on January 16, 2011, 01:26:51 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 14, 2011, 05:34:25 PM
SR 228 is signed all along I-10 and I-95. Whether FDOT's GIS data reflects this is not too relevant. Personally I would have said screw state maintenance and routed it along Adams/Forsyth direct to I-95.

But, to answer your question literally, SR 228 is discontinuous. There's a piece of CR 228 between Macclenny and Maxville.

its not really signed on I10/I95.  The BGS has a tab that say "TO" US17/SR 228.  i am aware of the CR 228 in Western Duval and Baker Counties. But is it really a discontinuous SR if there is acounty maintained portion... I dont really condsider that discontinus
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 16, 2011, 07:34:23 PM
No, it's discontinuous because there's a county signed portion. Similarly, US 3's south end is in Cambridge, not at the old Sagamore Rotary.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on January 19, 2011, 02:51:49 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 16, 2011, 07:34:23 PM
No, it's discontinuous because there's a county signed portion. Similarly, US 3's south end is in Cambridge, not at the old Sagamore Rotary.

The route in my mind is not discontinuous.  There is a county maintained portion its the same route, i am sure others will disagree.  Especially here in Florida where most CRs are in the statewide grid.  And many CRs were former SRs or SSRs.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on January 19, 2011, 09:12:16 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 16, 2011, 07:34:23 PM
No, it's discontinuous because there's a county signed portion. Similarly, US 3's south end is in Cambridge, not at the old Sagamore Rotary.
Different beast, US 3 never extended down past Boston.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on January 19, 2011, 09:12:58 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 19, 2011, 02:51:49 PM

The route in my mind is not discontinuous.  There is a county maintained portion its the same route, i am sure others will disagree.

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Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 19, 2011, 11:40:37 PM
Quote from: AlpsROADS on January 19, 2011, 09:12:16 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 16, 2011, 07:34:23 PM
No, it's discontinuous because there's a county signed portion. Similarly, US 3's south end is in Cambridge, not at the old Sagamore Rotary.
Different beast, US 3 never extended down past Boston.

Fine. US 222 goes from US 1 to I-78, not Perryville to Allentown.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on January 20, 2011, 08:33:01 AM
Quote from: AlpsROADS on January 19, 2011, 09:12:58 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 19, 2011, 02:51:49 PM

The route in my mind is not discontinuous.  There is a county maintained portion its the same route, i am sure others will disagree.

Things You Will Never Hear a Roadgeek Say

I disagree.  If the route continues with the same number, especially if it is a "downgraded" road i like to think of the number continuing .  I can appreciate the other side of the argument.  Sadly most people wouldn't even notice. 

In Volusia County there are a couple roads that flip from CR to SR off the top of my head there is Clyde Morris Blvd which is *R 483 for the entire route being SR from Mason Ave( SR/CR 430) to Beville Rd(SR 400).  Mason Ave is another one, SR 430 is fromClyde Morris Blvd (SR/CR 483) east to SR A1A.  At lease Volusia Co signs CRs, Duval County does not, the only place you see CR pentagons in Duval is where the state has repacved intersecting roads.  (ie CR 228 west  is signed at US 301)





Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on January 20, 2011, 10:04:21 AM
Quote from: AlpsROADS on January 19, 2011, 09:12:58 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 19, 2011, 02:51:49 PM

The route in my mind is not discontinuous.  There is a county maintained portion its the same route, i am sure others will disagree.

Things You Will Never Hear a Roadgeek Say


Don't be a hater!  I hate having my roadgeek cred being questioned  LOL
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 22, 2011, 09:03:17 PM
There was a huge tanker explosion on SR528 yesterday. Both the EB and the WB bridges over SR3 are damaged beyond repair and will have to be completely replaced:
http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20110122/NEWS01/101220317/Dental-records-to-ID-2-killed-in-fiery-crash
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jdb1234 on January 22, 2011, 09:33:43 PM
Quote from: realjd on January 22, 2011, 09:03:17 PM
There was a huge tanker explosion on SR528 yesterday. Both the EB and the WB bridges over SR3 are damaged beyond repair and will have to be completely replaced:
http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20110122/NEWS01/101220317/Dental-records-to-ID-2-killed-in-fiery-crash

Is this the first time something like this has happened in Florida since the I-75 SB bridge over US 301 in Ellenton was damaged nearly 3 years ago?
Title: First Coast Outer Beltway - Upgrade FL-23 and worry about the rest later...
Post by: Alex on February 14, 2011, 01:20:34 AM
Plan to build entire Outer Beltway abandoned; state will try to do it in pieces (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-02-04/story/plan-build-entire-outer-beltway-abandoned-state-will-try-do-it-pieces)

QuoteFebruary 4, 2011

It was only 11 months ago that then-Gov. Charlie Crist announced that plans to build the First Coast Outer Beltway were being expedited so construction could begin as soon as possible.

That plan, like Crist's immediate political career, is history.

On Friday, the Florida Department of Transportation conceded it was abandoning plans to have a private partner build the entire 46.5-mile toll road from Interstate 10 in Duval County to Interstate 95 in St. Johns County.

The state now wants someone to build only a 15-mile portion of the road and will worry about getting the rest built later.

No private companies were willing to spend the estimated $1.8 billion it would have cost to build the entire road. It would have been a tollway, so the builder could have made back the investment.

"The recession really hurt our efforts to do this,"  FDOT District Secretary Alan Mosley  said. "We're going to scale back and see if we can do this in pieces."

The state will now look for a private company to take the existing Branan Field Road, which would be part of the Outer Beltway, and turn it into a four-lane toll road from I-10 to Blanding Boulevard. It will cost about $250 million to $300 million.

Flyovers would be built over New World Avenue, Normandy Boulevard, 103rd Street and other roadways that intersect Branan Field Road.

The state is now conducting an economic feasibility study to determine ridership on a toll road and what a private company would have to charge to make money. That study should be completed by the summer, Mosley said.

A previous study estimated between 12,000 and 30,000 cars daily on that section of road if a 20-cent toll was charged. But that study focused on the entire roadway and didn't estimate how much money would be generated with a 15-mile road.

The state's original plan was scuttled last summer when companies that examined the project raised concerns about cost.

"It's an enormous amount of money to put down,"  said Antonio Garrastazu,  director of business and government affairs for Globalvia Infrastructures, a company based in Madrid and Miami that met with the state to discuss the project.

Garrastazu said his company was interested but needed concessions, such as the state reimbursing the company if revenue projections were not met. FDOT refused.

Clay County Commissioner Doug Conkey  said doing the segment from I-10 to Blanding was the most logical way to move forward because it would make it easier to access Cecil Field while also easing traffic on Blanding Boulevard.

It also is close to shovel ready, with an existing road than only needs to be widened and modified. Segments south of Blanding will require an entirely new road.

Jeff Sheffield, executive director of the North Florida Transportation Planning Organization, which does long-term transportation planning for the area, said the first section is critical to the rest of the project. If a private company can come in and successfully operate the 15 miles from I-10 to Blanding, he said, it will make the rest of the proposed roadway more attractive for future construction.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on February 19, 2011, 02:11:20 AM
The Beachline SR528 bridges over SR 3 were completed and opened to traffic last Sunday, three days ahead of schedule.  Lane Construction did a kick-butt job of getting the work done, and several of my co-workers were more than relieved -they live in Merritt Island and had to detour around to get to KSC.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on February 19, 2011, 11:55:58 AM
I just saw on the FDOT website that Florida's adopting of the 2009 MUTCD is on hold as per Executive Order:
http://www.dot.state.fl.us/TrafficOperations/Operations/MUTCD.shtm

Also, one of those new yellow-bannered toll shields showed up in Orlando. It's on the overhead BGS for the onramp onto 528 at the McCoy Road/Sand Lake Road interchange. I liked the look of the ones in Miami but I'm not a fan of this one. They retained the orange state outline. I like the orange outline better on the older green-bannered shields, but it looks goofy on the yellow ones IMO.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 19, 2011, 02:43:12 PM
Not to mention that it's not a toll road if you get off at Conway.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on February 25, 2011, 03:57:48 PM
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Move Santa Rosa County 399 on Navarre Beach Causeway from virtually unsigned to partially signed. I wrote the county about the lack of signage and earlier this week a new sign went up just south of U.S. 98.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on February 27, 2011, 11:54:39 PM
Did they still have the FL 399 shields in Navarre Beach, itself?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on February 28, 2011, 11:51:54 AM
Quote from: florida on February 27, 2011, 11:54:39 PM
Did they still have the FL 399 shields in Navarre Beach, itself?

No those were still posted in February 2006 but removed some time after that. One of my points to the county was those shields and how they were removed (not replaced). The email I received last week indicated that signs were installed on Gulf Boulevard. So I followed up with the fact that they were not.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on February 28, 2011, 08:40:06 PM
Quote from: Alex on February 25, 2011, 03:57:48 PM
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Move Santa Rosa County 399 on Navarre Beach Causeway from virtually unsigned to partially signed. I wrote the county about the lack of signage and earlier this week a new sign went up just south of U.S. 98.

This sign hasn't even been up a week and it has already seen a change! While driving home today I noticed that the county has come back out and flipped the positions of the shield and banner, so it's no longer in the "Utah-style". Of course my initial thought was that they added more shields down along Gulf Boulevard, but alas, my trip across the bridge to the beach was a waste as still no new signs have been erected. So instead the county wasted time, money and fuel to come out and rearrange a sign assembly that really did not need changing...it's no wonder that people hate our government (local, state, federal) for wasteful spending...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 20, 2011, 04:34:02 PM
OOCEA is currently working on the new SR 414-429 interchange. You can see it on the 2011 aerials at http://paarcgis.ocpafl.org/Webmap3/default.aspx.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on March 20, 2011, 06:00:29 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 20, 2011, 04:34:02 PM
OOCEA is currently working on the new SR 414-429 interchange. You can see it on the 2011 aerials at http://paarcgis.ocpafl.org/Webmap3/default.aspx.

Looks like they have made some real progress on that part of the project. Not much has been done on the rest of the extension up to US 441 though. Went to OOCEA and they have a one page PDF on Phase II: http://www.oocea.com/Corporate/oursystem/SR429/assets/SR429SR414interchange.pdf (http://www.oocea.com/Corporate/oursystem/SR429/assets/SR429SR414interchange.pdf)

Going to be weird once it opens to see that remaining portion of FL 429 becoming FL 451. It seems to me that it could have been re-designated as FL 414A instead, since it will be branched off of FL 414...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 20, 2011, 06:47:46 PM
Florida hasn't done (signed) suffixes (at least A routes) that way since the small renumbering in the 1980s. For example, SR 5A has both ends at SR 5 (despite SR 5 not being signed), but SR 15A was renumbered SR 551 because only the south end was at SR 15.

They've torn down the wall on the west side of CR 437A:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi51.tinypic.com%2F35iawbn.jpg&hash=b1821ca13430d936fdaaff83971c15b3e18b36b5)
February 2009

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi52.tinypic.com%2F2z7ilqc.jpg&hash=9493c20fd8dd133f7394be7293ab414bee3c85a4)
July 2009

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March 2011
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on March 20, 2011, 07:51:50 PM
I drove all the way up and down FL-429 yesterday from the Turnpike to US-441 and back. I noticed they were further along on extending something further west. I'm thinking it's FL-414 they're extending? - Which will also be multiplexed with FL-429 eventually. I haven't pulled out the proposed ROW and compared it against what I saw out on the road but it seems that's what they're doing. It would be nice to have a full interchange between 429 and 414 too.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 20, 2011, 07:57:49 PM
Right now, they're just building the new alignments of 414 and 429 to the new interchange. So there will be some unused roadway there until they build the continuation to US 441 at Plymouth.

http://www.oocea.com/Corporate/oursystem/SR429/assets/SR429SR414interchange.pdf
Current construction ends just north of Harmon Road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 24, 2011, 06:52:36 PM
How about this flyover that I am sure is done as this photo is two years old.  It will allow the high speed movement to the future I-295 to the east of Jacksonville from I-95 Southbound and hopefully soon FL 9A will be history!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/5038614691/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on March 24, 2011, 07:18:25 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 24, 2011, 06:52:36 PM
How about this flyover that I am sure is done as this photo is two years old.  It will allow the high speed movement to the future I-295 to the east of Jacksonville from I-95 Southbound and hopefully soon FL 9A will be history!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/5038614691/

That flyover is already completed and opened. ;)
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2010-08-22/story/new-flyover-opens-northside-connect-interstate-95-southbound-florida-9a

And here's a link to some pictures that I had taken of it after that photo you linked to taken on 10/21/09-10/22/09. ;)
http://rickmastfan67.blogspot.com/2009/10/fl-i-95s-new-flyover.html
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on April 14, 2011, 09:12:42 PM
Quote from: realjd on February 19, 2011, 11:55:58 AMAlso, one of those new yellow-bannered toll shields showed up in Orlando. It's on the overhead BGS for the onramp onto 528 at the McCoy Road/Sand Lake Road interchange. I liked the look of the ones in Miami but I'm not a fan of this one. They retained the orange state outline. I like the orange outline better on the older green-bannered shields, but it looks goofy on the yellow ones IMO.

Update! Just drove along FL 50 earlier today. At the intersection with Good Homes Rd (28.55193 N, 81.50495 W) there are two new FL 408 trailblazers posted, one on westbound FL 50, and the other on eastbound FL 50. Both feature the yellow TOLL banner (instead of the former green) and a black state outline.

Now that I've actually seen one of these in the field, I'm kind of torn. I like how they resemble the regular black and white state road shields with the "MUTCD" yellow banner and how they're still curved on the bottom, but I also liked how the green and orange variety (at least in the Orlando area) stood out as being freeways, much like the red, white, and blue color of the Interstate shields stand out as freeways against the other marked roads like US routes and such that may not necessarily be freeway standard.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on April 14, 2011, 10:37:27 PM
So does that mean they are finally done with the improvements to FL 50 and Good Homes Road? It's been going on for ever it seems like...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on April 15, 2011, 08:28:33 PM
Quote from: flaroads on April 14, 2011, 10:37:27 PM
So does that mean they are finally done with the improvements to FL 50 and Good Homes Road? It's been going on for ever it seems like...

I think so. There are three lanes in each direction with a center turn lane (if I remember correctly). It did seem that the construction took forever. It's done as far as FL 435 (Kirkman Rd) and FL 50. I was surprised because I drove up there a couple of months ago, and I hardly ever drive up there, and was surprised that the construction was all done and how nice it was to drive along FL 50 with no construction. Night and Day. However at FL 50 near FL 429 and the Turnpike, there is still road construction going on in that area.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on April 15, 2011, 08:32:55 PM
It looks like the long awaited six laning of I-95 between the Beachline north to Garden Street (SR 406) in Titusville is finally beginning to take shape.

They've already set up a work zone between SR 50 and SR 406 complete with cones, part of which is to facilitate the improvement of the I-95/SR 406 northbound off/on ramps for an extra lane and signalization at Garden Street (which is needed really bad).

More information here:

http://www.dot.state.fl.us/publicinformationoffice/construc/district5pio/brevard.shtm
http://www.cflroads.com/Project/Details/52/405506_2_I_95_Widening_from_SR_528_to_south_of_SR_406
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on April 17, 2011, 10:15:18 AM
Another update to the Pineda Causeway drama:
The county finished their portion between Wickham Road and I-95 last fall. That's why the papers were saying it would be open by January. Nobody bothered to check with Community Asphalt, the contractor widening I-95. They had no plans to build the connecting ramps anytime soon, and when asked, they said by November 2011 when the entire I-95 project ends. They didn't feel like rushing to build the last 20 feet of the on and off ramps. After some political back and forth between them, the county, and FDOT, they finally decided to rush that part. New estimated completion date: May 2.

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011104150326

I never see them doing anything at all along that portion of I-95 anymore. It's been in the exact same state for weeks now. You'd think they would be trying to finish early to get the bonus.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: US71 on April 18, 2011, 06:36:20 PM
Quote from: Alex on January 21, 2009, 01:00:56 AM
Shubuta, MS lost out when U.S. 45 was realigned to a bypass. Hopefully the same would happen with Starke.

Ditto Pineville, MO and US 71
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on April 30, 2011, 08:07:45 PM
The Pineda Causeway extension connection to I-95 is going to open Monday:

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20110430/NEWS01/104300317/Pineda-Extension-opens-Monday?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home

Somebody finally got the builders off the dime!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 01, 2011, 12:11:46 AM
Quote from: DeaconG on April 30, 2011, 08:07:45 PM
The Pineda Causeway extension connection to I-95 is going to open Monday:

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20110430/NEWS01/104300317/Pineda-Extension-opens-Monday?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home

Somebody finally got the builders off the dime!

Does anybody know what the exit number will be (so I can add it to I-95's file @ CHM)?

Also, is the Pineda Causeway extension suppose to become part of FL-404?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on May 01, 2011, 04:49:24 AM
I've been Googling the contract numbers and I can't seem to find any information about the exit numbers so far.

I would assume (and we all know how that ends up :D) that the extension would be FL 404, but there's no guarantee they might not make it CR 404 instead.

We'll find out Monday!

The way these guys are sandbagging I don't think they're going to get much of that $5M bonus for early completion (which started in November IIRC)...they're still working on the interchanges at US 192, Eau Gallie and Wickham, and they haven't even begun the lane relocation/reconstruction at Wickham, which is going to be a real PITA to anyone living in Viera or Suntree.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on May 01, 2011, 05:10:40 PM
I would bet the exit number will be 188...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 02, 2011, 09:55:47 AM
The portion between Wickham Road and I-95 was done as a county contract. I would expect it to be CR-404. That's one of the reasons it took so long to open. The county portion was done, but the state didn't put the pressure on the contractors working on I-95 to finish the on/off ramps until recently.

When I drove by on Saturday, there were no BGS's, and they hadn't even started putting up the supports for them yet. I wouldn't be surprised if they sign the exit with VMS construction signs until the I-95 widening project is farther along.

Also, interestingly, the state is considering allowing bicycles along the freeway portion of the Pineda Causeway:
http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20110502/NEWS01/105020315/Cyclists-may-get-their-way-causeway?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 03, 2011, 08:20:05 AM
I haven't uploaded any of the pics yet, but FDOT finally combined the control cities on the signs approaching Exit 321 on I-75. Granted the abbreviated Lake Panasoffkee, but hey, as long as they're combined.

See this post for further reference:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=353.msg42727#msg42727

UPDATE: Northbound signs still haven't changed.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 03, 2011, 09:21:14 AM
I haven't had a chance to drive up there yet - I may do it today after work - but a bit of googling turned up the fact that the Pineda Causeway is actually CR-404 between Wickham and US-1 even though it is signed as SR-404. It will be interesting to see if they sign the extension as SR-404 like they did the current CR portion.

See page 6: ftp://ftp.dot.state.fl.us/FHWA-ER/Brevard/Brevard_fdot5%20FHWA-ER%20data.pdf
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 03, 2011, 07:42:42 PM
Quote from: realjd on May 03, 2011, 09:21:14 AM
I haven't had a chance to drive up there yet - I may do it today after work - but a bit of googling turned up the fact that the Pineda Causeway is actually CR-404 between Wickham and US-1 even though it is signed as SR-404. It will be interesting to see if they sign the extension as SR-404 like they did the current CR portion.

Wouldn't be the first time this has happened.  FL-39A rings a bell.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg62855#msg62855
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 03, 2011, 08:23:49 PM
So I drove up there after work. Like I thought, there are no actual signs yet. They're just using portable VMS's to sign the exit. They just say "Pineda Cswy". On the road itself going eastbound, it's signed "To SR-404" and "To US-1" as seen in this crappy iPhone picture:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg193.imageshack.us%2Fimg193%2F926%2Fphotohfc.th.jpg&hash=ea674750f4206bc0de437da36101da3c6d2aba10) (http://img193.imageshack.us/i/photohfc.jpg/)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 03, 2011, 10:50:39 PM
Crappy?  That's a preatty good picture from an iPhone.

So, no gore signs @ the exit even?  I mean, that should be at least the first thing they should post.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 04, 2011, 07:54:11 AM
No gore, or any other permenant signage. The first sign said:

PINEDA
CSWY
1 MILE

The second, right at the start of the exit, said

PINEDA
CSWY
--->

and was flashing quickly.

Keep in mind that Community Asphalt (the I-95 contractor) wasn't planning on opening their portion for another 3 or 4 months. They were forced by the state to do it early. I wouldn't expect actual signage until closer to then.
Title: More Toll Road Weirdness
Post by: realjd on May 08, 2011, 07:15:22 PM
So on my drive to Orlando today, I saw some more weirdness with the toll roads. In addition to the new yellow-banner shield alone WB (NB) 520 at the 528, OOCEA has gone through and redone some of the reassurance markers along the Beachline. It's now one rectangular green sign, with a directional on top (white on green if I remember right), then the shield with a standard green TOLL banner, then the OOCEA logo below, as seen in this crappy mockup I threw together - and yes, I know the font is goofy:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foi53.tinypic.com%2F1zfsfaf.jpg&hash=c13bff0c94466b91347f6b7471e386b0d110f566)
It wasn't just one one sign that was replaced either. They had replaced the old reassurance markers seemingly at random along OOCEA's entire stretch of the 528. I did not see any on the stretches of the 408 or the 417 that I drove on.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on May 09, 2011, 05:01:20 PM
Quote from: realjd on May 04, 2011, 07:54:11 AM
No gore, or any other permenant signage.

Just drove up I-95 this morning, and there's still no signs. Those on/off ramps are at least a half-mile long. But there was traffic on the overpass.

Also, spotted a bunch of new Interstate shields with Florida branded on them, at the exit ramps from Fiske Boulevard (SR 519). Must have been made in Georgia...where they seem to be more prevalent.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on May 09, 2011, 06:54:18 PM
Quote from: realjd on May 08, 2011, 07:15:22 PM
So on my drive to Orlando today, I saw some more weirdness with the toll roads. In addition to the new yellow-banner shield alone WB (NB) 520 at the 528, OOCEA has gone through and redone some of the reassurance markers along the Beachline. It's now one rectangular green sign, with a directional on top (white on green if I remember right), then the shield with a standard green TOLL banner, then the OOCEA logo below, as seen in this crappy mockup I threw together - and yes, I know the font is goofy:

It wasn't just one one sign that was replaced either. They had replaced the old reassurance markers seemingly at random along OOCEA's entire stretch of the 528. I did not see any on the stretches of the 408 or the 417 that I drove on.

I noticed these a couple weeks back driving back and forth to the airport. Not sure how I feel about these. I did notice though that they look similar to a few other states' postings of reassurance markers - they'll put the shield on a green sign much like the BGSs on freeways. I think New Mexico does this, and I'll dig through my photos to find something similar.

Edit: Found it!
http://astareglobe.org/public/nm-i25.jpg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 09, 2011, 08:52:05 PM
Is that the standard for reassurance markers in NM? Weird. I don't like OOCEA's unisigns either. At least they aren't using the yellow banner with the orange state outline. I like the yellow banner with the black outline; I think the yellow banner with the orange outline looks ridiculous.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on May 11, 2011, 07:59:47 AM
Quote from: realjd on May 09, 2011, 08:52:05 PM
Is that the standard for reassurance markers in NM? Weird. I don't like OOCEA's unisigns either. At least they aren't using the yellow banner with the orange state outline. I like the yellow banner with the black outline; I think the yellow banner with the orange outline looks ridiculous.

It might be. I looked through some other photos and noticed even trailblazers for I-25 and I-40 and reassurance shields for other state roads are also on green "unisigns". I'm not sure if it's just an Albuquerque thing or if it's for the whole state.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 11, 2011, 11:08:11 PM
Does anyone have the new exit numbers at the I-10/I-95 interchange, so I can add them to OpenStreetMap? I've been meaning to get up there, but haven't had a chance since construction ended.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 12, 2011, 07:00:34 AM
I'll go ahead and hazard a guess that it's exit 0 on I-10...

How's traffic flowing up there now? I usually take 9A if I'm going north on 95 and the 295 if I'm going west on 10, mainly due to that nasty construction. Now that it's finished I may have to try driving through the city again.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 12, 2011, 07:28:06 AM
Wrong end of I-10... there are actually four or five exits in that area that don't strictly correspond to old exits.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 12, 2011, 09:01:35 AM
Duh... exit zero would be on the west side. I should learn not to post before 10AM!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on May 12, 2011, 04:27:49 PM
The Big I (I-10/I-95) was essentially complete in October of last year.  I drove it in January and except for some signing issues and striping it was done-a MUCH needed improvement.

IIRC the Trout River Bridge project on I-95 should be done too.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 12, 2011, 04:29:39 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on May 12, 2011, 04:27:49 PM
IIRC the Trout River Bridge project on I-95 should be done too.

It is.  I drove it in late '09.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 15, 2011, 01:06:12 PM
Quote from: flaroads on April 14, 2011, 10:37:27 PM
So does that mean they are finally done with the improvements to FL 50 and Good Homes Road? It's been going on for ever it seems like...

Now they are done here, but working further west in Winter Garden and from the Lake/ Orange County Line to US 27!  Clermont and Orlando are now part of the same metropolis.  Back in 2000 there was plenty of open land from Clermont to Winter Garden.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on May 16, 2011, 08:16:02 PM
There's still some repercussions from the bill that would have broken up the expressway authorities in Tampa and Orlando-several counties saw their expressway authorities go away anyway:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-seminole-expressway-dissolve-20110516,0,7718469.story

Brevard County had an expressway authority? :confused:  Seriously? :hmmm:  Who knew...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 17, 2011, 09:08:53 AM
Quote from: DeaconG on May 16, 2011, 08:16:02 PM
Brevard County had an expressway authority? :confused:  Seriously? :hmmm:  Who knew...

They were legally created but never actually held a meeting. There was talk last year that they'd become active and build the St. Johns Heritage Parkway as a toll freeway (which is what they should have done IMO) but they decided to build it as an "expressway" instead meaning limited, at-grade intersections.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on May 17, 2011, 10:30:24 AM
Quote from: realjd on May 17, 2011, 09:08:53 AM
Quote from: DeaconG on May 16, 2011, 08:16:02 PM
Brevard County had an expressway authority? :confused:  Seriously? :hmmm:  Who knew...

They were legally created but never actually held a meeting. There was talk last year that they'd become active and build the St. Johns Heritage Parkway as a toll freeway (which is what they should have done IMO) but they decided to build it as an "expressway" instead meaning limited, at-grade intersections.

And a TWO-LANE road at that, which will be locked up with traffic five minutes after it opens.  I agree wholeheartedly, but we'll be hearing the screams of outraged drivers for years afterward.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 17, 2011, 10:44:49 AM
Quote from: DeaconG on May 17, 2011, 10:30:24 AM
And a TWO-LANE road at that, which will be locked up with traffic five minutes after it opens.  I agree wholeheartedly, but we'll be hearing the screams of outraged drivers for years afterward.

It's only going to be a 2 lane road?! I thought it was going to be at least 4. Hasn't Palm Bay learned anything from GDC's mistakes?

They kept using John Young Parkway as an example of this style of "expressway" road and how it's really not a big deal that it won't be a freeway. As if none of us realize that JYP is just as traffic clogged as every other surface street in Orlando.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 17, 2011, 10:49:53 AM
JYP is significantly better than OBT in the Florida Mall area.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 17, 2011, 11:22:11 AM
Quote from: NE2 on May 17, 2011, 10:49:53 AM
Florida Mall

:-D

that's one way of describing the Orlando area!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 17, 2011, 11:35:34 AM
ha. ha. ha.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 17, 2011, 12:40:05 PM
Quote from: NE2 on May 17, 2011, 10:49:53 AM
JYP is significantly better than OBT in the Florida Mall area.

That depends on what you mean by "better". Personally, I define "better" as having a higher quantity of strip clubs and prostitutes per mile. Thus, OBT wins by a wide margin.

JYP - all the traffic without the hookers.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Daniel Fiddler on May 17, 2011, 12:43:05 PM
Quote from: NE2 on May 17, 2011, 10:49:53 AM
JYP is significantly better than OBT in the Florida Mall area.

I can agree to that since I used to live in Orlando.  In fact, I'd say from Hwy 192 in Kissimmee all the way up to I - 4 JYP is faster with the one exception of the Osceola Pkwy to the 417, which OBT is SLIGHTLY faster.  Although I would not consider JYP to be quite in the Florida Mall area, it's about a mile west.

Quote from: realjd on May 17, 2011, 12:40:05 PM
Quote from: NE2 on May 17, 2011, 10:49:53 AM
JYP is significantly better than OBT in the Florida Mall area.

That depends on what you mean by "better". Personally, I define "better" as having a higher quantity of strip clubs and prostitutes per mile. Thus, OBT wins by a wide margin.

JYP - all the traffic without the hookers.

Yes, in that aspect, OBT is certainly better than JYP.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on May 17, 2011, 07:00:33 PM
Quote from: Daniel Fiddler on May 17, 2011, 12:43:05 PMI can agree to that since I used to live in Orlando.  In fact, I'd say from Hwy 192 in Kissimmee all the way up to I - 4 JYP is faster with the one exception of the Osceola Pkwy to the 417, which OBT is SLIGHTLY faster.  Although I would not consider JYP to be quite in the Florida Mall area, it's about a mile west.
Actually, not even a year ago (I think) they redid the John Young Pkwy and Osceola Pkwy intersection. It's now grade-separated with John Young Pkwy having freedom of movement. The interchange is a SPUI. So that may make the JYP route a little faster.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on May 30, 2011, 03:27:30 AM
Looks like they've begun the widening of I-95 from FL 528 to FL 406-I've been watching placement of jersey barriers in the median strip of I-95 between 528 and the Port St. John exit and they've continued the shoulder widening from SR 50 north to just short of the Volusia County border with CR 5.

http://www.cflroads.com/Project/Details/52/405506_2_I_95_Widening_from_SR_528_to_south_of_SR_406
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on June 08, 2011, 12:08:27 PM
I took a quick iPhone picture of one of the new signs at the 520/528 interchange showing the new, yellow toll shields with the orange state outline. The use of Clearview indicates that it's an OOCEA sign, which is odd because the reassurance markers they just posted use the green TOLL banner.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdl.dropbox.com%2Fu%2F16010609%2FPhoto%2520Jun%252003%252C%25208%252052%252007.jpeg&hash=44dd741884f0eab61fa6e4f324e8e9d4cd5c53ec)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 08, 2011, 05:21:08 PM
Presumably since you're already on the toll road, you don't need the yellow toll banner on reassurance.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on June 08, 2011, 06:44:12 PM
Does the MUTCD require it only at entrances then? That would make sense. Although you would think with the state route markers they would want consistency statewide.

I found some docs a few weeks ago on the FTE website with their new sign plans putting a yellow TOLL banner above the standard turnpike shield. I was going to check there again to see if they made a distinction between directional and reassurance shields but their site is broken currently.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 08, 2011, 07:16:02 PM
I'm waiting to see if they screw up the part of 528 west of OBT. Until Universal Boulevard was extended, there was a sign on Orangewood warning of the last intersection before toll, despite 528 there never having been a toll road (except before any of the interchanges existed).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on June 08, 2011, 07:50:59 PM
I believe you're supposed to have the TOLL banner on all assemblies:

2F.11 Standard: The TOLL (M4-15) auxiliary sign (see Figure 2F-4) shall have a black legend and border on a yellow background and shall be mounted directly above the route sign of a numbered toll highway or, if used, above the cardinal direction and alternative route auxiliary signs, in any route sign assembly providing directions from a non-toll highway to the toll highway or to a segment of a highway on which the payment of a toll is required.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on June 08, 2011, 08:08:20 PM
"...in any route sign assembly providing directions from a non-toll highway to the toll highway or to a segment of a highway on which the payment of a toll is required."

Seems to me that NE2 was right in that it is only necessary for signs leading to the toll road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on June 09, 2011, 07:53:17 AM
I wonder how they'll post the toll banner above the cardinal direction (per 2F.11) if the toll banner is integrated into the shield to begin with.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on June 09, 2011, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: AstareGod on June 09, 2011, 07:53:17 AM
I wonder how they'll post the toll banner above the cardinal direction (per 2F.11) if the toll banner is integrated into the shield to begin with.

This is pure speculation, but perhaps that's why the created those new "unisigns"? The directional is white text on the mini-BGS, not a true banner, so they can still check the box that says they're following the standard.

The turnpike site is back up. Here is their latest set of sign standards:
http://design.floridasturnpike.com/prod_design/tppph/2010/guidedwgs/traffic/TPPPH_4_27_11.pdf

It appears that they are using the yellow toll banner on approach/connecting roads, not on reassurance markers like we suspected. Interestingly they make no mention of yellow-bannered state shields.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on June 09, 2011, 09:18:39 PM
Quote from: realjd on June 08, 2011, 08:08:20 PM
"...in any route sign assembly providing directions from a non-toll highway to the toll highway or to a segment of a highway on which the payment of a toll is required."

Seems to me that NE2 was right in that it is only necessary for signs leading to the toll road.
Did you not see the part that I bolded?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on June 09, 2011, 09:43:24 PM
Quote from: Steve on June 09, 2011, 09:18:39 PM
Quote from: realjd on June 08, 2011, 08:08:20 PM
"...in any route sign assembly providing directions from a non-toll highway to the toll highway or to a segment of a highway on which the payment of a toll is required."

Seems to me that NE2 was right in that it is only necessary for signs leading to the toll road.
Did you not see the part that I bolded?

I did. I disagree with your interpretation. Your part in bold is qualified with the part I quoted. They're saying it should be above any route sign (or above the directional if there is one) for any sign providing directions to the toll highway. The clause about the directional banners is set off with commas. It can be read it like they used parentheses instead.

This is why I hate legalese. Two otherwise intelligent people can read a sentence and come away with two very different conclusions!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on June 10, 2011, 04:59:37 PM
Quote from: realjd on June 09, 2011, 09:43:24 PM
Quote from: Steve on June 09, 2011, 09:18:39 PM
Quote from: realjd on June 08, 2011, 08:08:20 PM
"...in any route sign assembly providing directions from a non-toll highway to the toll highway or to a segment of a highway on which the payment of a toll is required."

Seems to me that NE2 was right in that it is only necessary for signs leading to the toll road.
Did you not see the part that I bolded?

I did. I disagree with your interpretation. Your part in bold is qualified with the part I quoted. They're saying it should be above any route sign (or above the directional if there is one) for any sign providing directions to the toll highway. The clause about the directional banners is set off with commas. It can be read it like they used parentheses instead.

This is why I hate legalese. Two otherwise intelligent people can read a sentence and come away with two very different conclusions!
I was looking at the part you quoted as an "OR". I agree, though, it's very ambiguous.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on June 11, 2011, 05:10:17 PM
While coming back from the Panama City area this morning and I saw this in my rear-view mirror, so I turned around and snapped a photo...

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-020_eb_app_fl-293.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-020_eb_app_fl-293.jpg)    (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-293_toll_shield_upclose.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-293_toll_shield_upclose.jpg)

So far this is the only instance of the new TOLL shield in the northwest Florida area.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 11, 2011, 05:35:00 PM
is the rounding of the upper left and right corners a new standard?  looks like extra rounded compared to other TOLL shields which I have seen.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on June 11, 2011, 05:52:31 PM
It might be who they (meaning the Mid-Bay Bridge Toll Authority) gets to make the signs for them. I've noticed that a lot of the signage up here is slightly different than in other areas of Florida though.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on June 13, 2011, 12:11:17 PM
I'm hoping that FDOT uses this as an excuse to get rid of those ridiculous widened TOLL shields that you see around on BGS's. Rather than making the shield larger enough to fit the three digit number, they stretched it horizontally and used a small font. They're ugly as hell.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kharvey10 on June 16, 2011, 10:50:53 PM
It was horrible sight in Ft. Lauderdale area.  Not only on the state highway shields, but also on the BGS for good measure.  The best part was finding white on green FL 869 shields on the county roads not far from the Toll 869.  I didn't take pics but you can get a good load of it on street view.  (Dad was driving and I get little say when he drives, would had 869 clinched but did not have any change for those exact change toll booths.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on June 16, 2011, 11:41:25 PM
On a half-mile stretch along US 441 and the Sawgrass Expressway, there's at least four different types of SR 869 signs with different TOLL designations...no consistency! (Which is kind of cool, to me, at least...it might bug some members here.)

The green SR 869 Toll signs were short-lived; they popped up around 1996 or so, when the Sawgrass Expressway "frog" signs were removed in lots of places. A few months later, small signs below the directional arrows popped in to remind you the that the locals do not generally call it Florida State Road 869.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 16, 2011, 11:46:49 PM
I remember seeing a green shield with white legend in the Clearwater area.  If I had to force a guess, I'd say 527 but that might not even be a toll road.

It was in awful rush hour traffic and I just wanted to get the hell out of there, so I didn't stop to take a photo
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on June 17, 2011, 01:11:18 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 16, 2011, 11:46:49 PM
I remember seeing a green shield with white legend in the Clearwater area.  If I had to force a guess, I'd say 527 but that might not even be a toll road.

It was in awful rush hour traffic and I just wanted to get the hell out of there, so I didn't stop to take a photo

527 probably refers to Orange Ave in the Orlando area - both a state road and county road number designation.

You might be talking about 618 (Tampa Selmon Crosstown Expressway) or 589 (Veterans Expressway); both are toll roads in the Tampa/St Pete/Clearwater area.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 17, 2011, 01:33:29 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 16, 2011, 11:46:49 PM
I remember seeing a green shield with white legend in the Clearwater area.  If I had to force a guess, I'd say 527 but that might not even be a toll road.
60 on an overhead? (It's gone now since SR 60 was rerouted onto SR 651 and a new bridge.)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi56.tinypic.com%2F2niofgk.jpg&hash=6936353ee97646198edb416e0724975778c63b74)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 17, 2011, 01:46:00 AM
Quote from: NE2 on June 17, 2011, 01:33:29 AM
60 on an overhead?

nope, not that one, but that is an awesome shield.  have never seen that style before in FL.  

the shield I refer to had this color scheme, but was a cutout on a pole, like the ones seen in the background. 

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/FL/FL19705281i1.jpg)

oh, and more modern lighter green.  the shield I remember didn't look old at all, just an unusual color scheme.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kharvey10 on June 19, 2011, 11:15:23 PM
Found more ugly orange state outline toll FL shields on the turnpike in the Orlando area going northbound even snapped a few pictures.  Even found a non-neutered I-75 shield off US 301 interchange with the turnpike (didn't have camera ready for that one), even though it did look like crap (compared to what you normally see on the Turnpike) and it was a FTE sign.
street view of it (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Orlando,+FL&aq=0&sll=21.902278,-69.790306&sspn=0.171376,0.338173&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Orlando,+Orange,+Florida&ll=28.837597,-82.045469&spn=0.005056,0.010568&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=28.837695,-82.045475&panoid=ZZ__D70OY7Mj-DwWMw9PGQ&cbp=12,327.69,,0,0)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on June 20, 2011, 02:06:02 AM
Quote from: flaroads on June 11, 2011, 05:52:31 PM
It might be who they (meaning the Mid-Bay Bridge Toll Authority) gets to make the signs for them. I've noticed that a lot of the signage up here is slightly different than in other areas of Florida though.

Those horrible popcorn shields come to mind.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on June 21, 2011, 12:00:09 AM
Snapped some pictures on I-75 southbound near Exit 5 for Florida's Turnpike. The BGSs feature the yellow toll banner over the Turnpike shield.

http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-I75_S_MM5_2011-06-17_0.jpg (http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-I75_S_MM5_2011-06-17_0.jpg)

http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-I75_S_MM5_2011-06-17_1.jpg (http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-I75_S_MM5_2011-06-17_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kharvey10 on June 21, 2011, 03:46:24 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm6.static.flickr.com%2F5314%2F5857199021_825b0a2e20.jpg&hash=180758c1ac7b57054d2b3f62f2fb93f71e04021d) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/29886127@N02/5857199021/)
061 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/29886127@N02/5857199021/) by Kimmy1978 (http://www.flickr.com/people/29886127@N02/), on Flickr
Here is one with the orange state outline found on the turnpike in the Orlando area.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on June 22, 2011, 04:04:14 PM
Quote from: kharvey10 on June 21, 2011, 03:46:24 PM
Here is one with the orange state outline found on the turnpike in the Orlando area.

KHarvey, I thought you meant "ugly" as in the yellow toll banner with orange state outline. You're talking about the ones with the green banner too?

EDIT: Thought I'd add more pictures that I took heading out of the Keys. This trip took me on US 1, FL 821 (Turnpike Homestead Extension), FL 874 (Don Shula Expressway), FL 826 (Palmetto Expressway), I 95, FL 70, and eventually back to the Turnpike. These pictures are on FL 821 and FL 874 and feature the yellow toll banner. There was another one (the original, I think) on FL 826 at the interchange to FL 924 (Gratigny Parkway) that I saw last year, but I didn't get a picture of that one.

I apologize for the quality of the pics. They were taken with a camera phone as I was flying down the highway at 70mph in Miami traffic. But I think they still turned out alright.

Turnpike, Exit 17 to FL 874 (TO FL 826)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2FFL-FL91_N_MM17_2011-06-21_0.jpg&hash=eff8b743e52f2c6475fbb03a00ae823a086d5c9d) (http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-FL91_N_MM17_2011-06-21_0.jpg)

Turnpike, Exit 17 to FL 874 (TO FL 826)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2FFL-FL91_N_MM17_2011-06-21_1.jpg&hash=c7ff18b216c505dfaaac51cf7fda2dde2898f4fa) (http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-FL91_N_MM17_2011-06-21_1.jpg)

Turnpike, Exit 17 to FL 874 (TO FL 826)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2FFL-FL91_N_MM17_2011-06-21_2.jpg&hash=6c5041dc0aee13939d837acd4e3680621627bdb9) (http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-FL91_N_MM17_2011-06-21_2.jpg)

FL 874 (Don Shula), showing FL 874 and FL 878 (Snapper Creek) shields
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2FFL-FL874_N_MM1_2011-06-21_0.jpg&hash=e8c384e031915079d3e39c33a461c935b08f5eb8) (http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-FL874_N_MM1_2011-06-21_0.jpg)

FL 874 (Don Shula), showing FL 874 and FL 878 (Snapper Creek) shields
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2FFL-FL874_N_MM2_2011-06-21_1.jpg&hash=556345c8effb2d10dbeeec5e50c7ce314ffecedd) (http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-FL874_N_MM2_2011-06-21_1.jpg)

FL 874 (Don Shula), showing FL 874 and FL 878 (Snapper Creek) shields
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2FFL-FL874_N_MM3_2011-06-21_2.jpg&hash=756e924a753ede352ee69069ad354f914d949523) (http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-FL874_N_MM3_2011-06-21_2.jpg)

FL 874 reassurance marker after the last toll gantry. Notice the white TOLL legend is removed.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2FFL-FL874_N_MM4_2011-06-21_3.jpg&hash=c714cc023fa1dcb6c4105960f14fa11dcb935f3e) (http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-FL874_N_MM4_2011-06-21_3.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on June 23, 2011, 07:52:12 AM
You were driving in Miami traffic and ONLY going 70? :)

I'm due for another keys trip. I try to get down there a couple of times a year.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on June 23, 2011, 07:09:09 PM
Quote from: realjd on June 23, 2011, 07:52:12 AM
You were driving in Miami traffic and ONLY going 70? :)

I'm due for another keys trip. I try to get down there a couple of times a year.

Hahaha. At least I think I was going 70. The wire you see protruding from the windshield is my GlobalSat GPS receiver hooked up to my netbook. It tracks my lat, lon, heading, and speed for all my major trips, so I'll take a look at the trip data and see what my max speed was in the Miami area. Just for schitz and giggles, ya know...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on June 25, 2011, 07:29:50 PM
Took a cruise up I-95 this evening in the Titusville area-there are jersey barriers installed on the inside shoulders of the interstate between SR 50 and SR 406 and they have begun work on sound walls on the northbound side.  In addition, signals have been installed on SR 406 at the I-95 northbound on/off ramps (which was BADLY needed, IMHO).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on June 25, 2011, 11:12:06 PM
Quote from: formulanone on June 16, 2011, 11:41:25 PM
On a half-mile stretch along US 441 and the Sawgrass Expressway, there's at least four different types of SR 869 signs with different TOLL designations...no consistency! (Which is kind of cool, to me, at least...it might bug some members here.)

The green SR 869 Toll signs were short-lived; they popped up around 1996 or so, when the Sawgrass Expressway "frog" signs were removed in lots of places. A few months later, small signs below the directional arrows popped in to remind you the that the locals do not generally call it Florida State Road 869.

Many of the shields and BGS at US 441/FL 7 and the Sawgrass Expressway were destroyed during Hurricane Wilma.  The grassy loop to the west of US 441 was filled with hundreds of broken, twisted signs and heeps of broken traffic lights for a longtime after the storm.  It has been a hodgepodge of green shields, white shields, etc. ever since.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on June 25, 2011, 11:16:45 PM
Looks like there have been a lot of changes along FL 874/FL 878 area.  I have not been down that far in several years.  I only get down as far as Flagler Street and FL 826 for meetings once a quarter where there are LOTS of rebuilding and reconstruction of the FL 836/FL 826 interchange and other exits.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 02, 2011, 04:56:36 AM
Quote from: realjd on May 04, 2011, 07:54:11 AM
No gore, or any other permenant signage. The first sign said:

PINEDA
CSWY
1 MILE

The second, right at the start of the exit, said

PINEDA
CSWY
--->

and was flashing quickly.

Keep in mind that Community Asphalt (the I-95 contractor) wasn't planning on opening their portion for another 3 or 4 months. They were forced by the state to do it early. I wouldn't expect actual signage until closer to then.

Any update on new permanent signage yet?  Just was curious. ;)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on July 02, 2011, 10:36:04 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 02, 2011, 04:56:36 AM
Quote from: realjd on May 04, 2011, 07:54:11 AM
No gore, or any other permenant signage. The first sign said:

PINEDA
CSWY
1 MILE

The second, right at the start of the exit, said

PINEDA
CSWY
--->

and was flashing quickly.

Keep in mind that Community Asphalt (the I-95 contractor) wasn't planning on opening their portion for another 3 or 4 months. They were forced by the state to do it early. I wouldn't expect actual signage until closer to then.

Any update on new permanent signage yet?  Just was curious. ;)

None yet. All other new signage for the widening project is installed but nothing at Pineda. They haven't even poured the foundations for the gantries as of yesterday. They are busily working on final paving for the third lane though. It's actually done in a few spots with the right lane coned off to keep people from using it.

There is new construction from the 528 north to the Volusia county line. It's not adding an extra lane contrary to popular belief. They are repaving and adding a much needed median crash barrier.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on July 03, 2011, 12:56:03 AM
Quote

There is new construction from the 528 north to the Volusia county line. It's not adding an extra lane contrary to popular belief. They are repaving and adding a much needed median crash barrier.

Well someone needs to tell FDOT District 5 that:

http://www.cflroads.com/Project/Details/52/405506_2_I_95_Widening_from_SR_528_to_south_of_SR_406

Not that I doubt you, of course.  This project has shifted it's focus so many times that I wouldn't believe it until they finally built it-or not.  Originally it was supposed to be SR 528 to the Volusia county line, then SR 528 to SR 50, then JUST between SR 528 and the Port St. John exit, and now back to SR 406.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on July 03, 2011, 10:05:48 AM
Quote from: DeaconG on July 03, 2011, 12:56:03 AM
Quote

There is new construction from the 528 north to the Volusia county line. It's not adding an extra lane contrary to popular belief. They are repaving and adding a much needed median crash barrier.

Well someone needs to tell FDOT District 5 that:

http://www.cflroads.com/Project/Details/52/405506_2_I_95_Widening_from_SR_528_to_south_of_SR_406

Not that I doubt you, of course.  This project has shifted it's focus so many times that I wouldn't believe it until they finally built it-or not.  Originally it was supposed to be SR 528 to the Volusia county line, then SR 528 to SR 50, then JUST between SR 528 and the Port St. John exit, and now back to SR 406.

I should know better than to get my info from Florida Today. What I'm talking about is Near Future Construction #2 here:
http://www.dot.state.fl.us/publicinformationoffice/construc/pdf%20files/BREVARD.pdf

I guess they are adding a lane to SR406, then repaving and crash barriers to the Volusia line.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on July 03, 2011, 01:49:19 PM
Quote

I should know better than to get my info from Florida Today.


:-D  :nod::pan:

Too bad they don't have a dump-truck-with-salt smiley!

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on July 03, 2011, 02:16:40 PM
Anybody know the exact points where the "Backwoods Trail" exists along Florida State Road 19? I know the north end of that concurrency is at some National Forest Road that runs through Ocala National Forest, but where's the south end of that concurrency? And no, I'm not talking about the spur of the Black Bear Scenic Byway.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on July 08, 2011, 05:27:43 PM
Are the State Farmers Markets some of the last places to find big 'ol button copy signs? I saw one in Immokalee a few months ago.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm7.static.flickr.com%2F6004%2F5916779748_c2ff9a51cd.jpg&hash=f44db926e8f1bd5e44db5062d74573f6ab0aa76c)
Title: Jacksonville Pic Request
Post by: Alex on July 22, 2011, 07:25:46 PM
Anyone have some eastbound pics of Interstate 10 from Baldwin east to downtown that I can use to update the site (full credit given of course)? I have no photos of Exit 350 (State Road 23) for instance and the pics I have east of Baldwin are dark/grainy ones from March 2010. I do have some photos Kevin took last September between Interstates 295 and 95 though.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on July 22, 2011, 08:38:54 PM
I've been meaning to get up there since construction ended. Maybe before the end of the year I'll have some.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on July 23, 2011, 06:35:27 PM
Have not debuted it yet, but you can go from the Alabama state line to Interstate 95 with more recent photos on the new Interstate 10 eastbound guides (https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=i0010eafl).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on July 28, 2011, 03:09:35 AM
You have two links to https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida010/i-010_eb_exit_362_12.jpg instead of the second going to https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida010/i-010_eb_exit_362_13.jpg.

Anyway, about this photo:
(https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida010/i-010_eb_exit_362_13.jpg)
US 17 and SR 228 are not signed to follow I-95 to US 23. Instead this exit leads to the recently-rebuilt Forest Street and on to the old route past the north end of SR 13. But then what happens? US 17 shields have been removed at the SR 13 interchange, and the old route cannot be followed beyond there, since the ramp from Water Street to Ocean Street has been closed.

I'm also confused about the duplicate ramp to I-95 north on the far left (closed at the time the photo was taken). Why is this here? Will it be more useful when I-95 is rebuilt through downtown?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on July 28, 2011, 11:48:30 AM
Quote from: NE2 on July 28, 2011, 03:09:35 AM
You have two links to https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida010/i-010_eb_exit_362_12.jpg instead of the second going to https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida010/i-010_eb_exit_362_13.jpg.

Fixed, thanks.

Quote from: NE2 on July 28, 2011, 03:09:35 AM

Anyway, about this photo:
<snip>
US 17 and SR 228 are not signed to follow I-95 to US 23. Instead this exit leads to the recently-rebuilt Forest Street and on to the old route past the north end of SR 13. But then what happens? US 17 shields have been removed at the SR 13 interchange, and the old route cannot be followed beyond there, since the ramp from Water Street to Ocean Street has been closed.

I'm also confused about the duplicate ramp to I-95 north on the far left (closed at the time the photo was taken). Why is this here? Will it be more useful when I-95 is rebuilt through downtown?

I updated that caption based upon what you wrote. When I was last in downtown Jacksonville, I drove a lot of the streets signed as US highways and noted that US 17 kind of just "appeared" as you head north. The gap explanation makes sense as to what happens with the route.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on July 28, 2011, 11:54:55 AM
US 17 is supposed to continue to US 23, as approved by AASHTO, and I think it is signed that way southbound. Personally I would put it on the Forsyth-Adams one-way pair, which has the advantage of leading directly into the SR 228 freeway.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on July 28, 2011, 09:40:56 PM
Quote from: NE2 on July 28, 2011, 03:09:35 AM

I'm also confused about the duplicate ramp to I-95 north on the far left (closed at the time the photo was taken). Why is this here? Will it be more useful when I-95 is rebuilt through downtown?

It leads to the new express lanes for I-95.  The other ramp leads to new C/D lanes for Forest Street, Forsyth Street and Monroe Street.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on July 28, 2011, 10:44:51 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on July 28, 2011, 09:40:56 PM
Quote from: NE2 on July 28, 2011, 03:09:35 AM

I'm also confused about the duplicate ramp to I-95 north on the far left (closed at the time the photo was taken). Why is this here? Will it be more useful when I-95 is rebuilt through downtown?

It leads to the new express lanes for I-95.  The other ramp leads to new C/D lanes for Forest Street, Forsyth Street and Monroe Street.

Yes, but the 'other ramp' is the one that's signed for I-95 north at the initial split (unless signs have changed since the ramp opened): https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida010/i-010_eb_exit_362_02.jpg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 28, 2011, 10:58:20 PM
What I'm wondering is if FDOT fixed their posting of US-1/90 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg52404#msg52404) and put them onto I-95 for a short segment and posted FL-5 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg52758#msg52758) on the surface alignment. :sombrero:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on July 29, 2011, 01:27:24 AM
I'd rather they fixed their records to keep US 1/90 signed as-is. Florida's been very good at keeping U.S. Routes on surface streets; the only one moved onto an Interstate (US 17) was given to the city and became a local street.
Title: SR 750 signed west of SR 289!
Post by: Alex on August 01, 2011, 05:13:18 PM
Running errands in Pensacola this afternoon, I discovered a brand new Florida 750 shield posted west of the intersection with Florida 289 (Ninth Avenue). The shapefiles from FDOT have shown Airport Boulevard as a state road west to SR 291 for a couple of years now. This is the first time however, that any shield has appeared west of SR 289. Did not check out the intersection with SR 291 for new signage, but will keep it in mind for future trips over.

Also for anyone familiar with the intersection of SR 750 and 12th Avenue, all of the trees on the northeastern corner were leveled for future business development associated with the airport.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mstgator on August 01, 2011, 08:23:14 PM
Quote from: NE2 on July 28, 2011, 03:09:35 AM
I'm also confused about the duplicate ramp to I-95 north on the far left (closed at the time the photo was taken). Why is this here? Will it be more useful when I-95 is rebuilt through downtown?

Can't speak for what the current layout/signage is, but the maps on the official site for the interchange confirm what DeaconG described.

http://thebigi.info/look.htm#
http://thebigi.info/images/1095-phase-map_SEPT_2010_lg.gif
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on August 18, 2011, 05:47:36 PM
Looks like the on-again, off again First Coast Outer Beltway in the Jacksonville area is now a go, according to FDOT:

http://www.dot.state.fl.us/publicinformationoffice/moreDOT/spenews/First%20Coast%20Outer%20Beltway%20Announcement.pdf

Now for the fun part...nowhere in this announcement is any mention of the linking of said beltway from Blanding Boulevard to I-95 via the new Shands Bridge (which were in previous plans)...so no high speed bypass of Jacksonville for you!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 18, 2011, 07:15:33 PM
Earlier this week, FDOT Region #7 opened up the new relocated northbound off-ramp to Exit 275, which also includes an off-ramp from the I-275 flyover. I shot a video of it with my camera on Tuesday, but I might swipe some stills of it from the video.

UPDATE: Looks like FDOT already has two of them:
http://www.mytbi.com/gallery/details.asp?fileID=600
http://www.mytbi.com/gallery/details.asp?fileID=601
They really should change the exit number from I-275 to Exit 60, though.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 06, 2011, 12:23:15 AM
From the latest GIS data it looks like SR 3 has been re-extended back to the KSC border.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on September 06, 2011, 06:34:35 AM
Quote from: NE2 on September 06, 2011, 12:23:15 AM
From the latest GIS data it looks like SR 3 has been re-extended back to the KSC border.

Where did it end before? I didn't know it had been truncated. It has certainly been signed as SR3 from the south KSC gate for at least the past few years.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 06, 2011, 06:36:16 AM
Quote from: realjd on September 06, 2011, 06:34:35 AM
Quote from: NE2 on September 06, 2011, 12:23:15 AM
From the latest GIS data it looks like SR 3 has been re-extended back to the KSC border.

Where did it end before? I didn't know it had been truncated. It has certainly been signed as SR3 from the south KSC gate for at least the past few years.

I'm pretty sure I remember signage ending at SR 528 at one time.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on September 06, 2011, 09:13:58 AM
On business in Palm Beach County last week, first up was this weird sign for the Florida's Turnpike...it appears to be some sort of love child between the standard FT sign and a Florida State Road sign. It was just put up in August, according to the decal on the back. It's located on Boynton Beach Boulevard, about a mile east of the Turnpike.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/5613/14992240423_14c8fee188_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oQP9KR)

A nice US 1 cutout heading east towards its intersection of Blue Heron Blvd:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F09%2FUS1cutout-SR708.jpg&hash=00ffb95e0314e63af4c567ba912292a57fdfe767)

And I found it odd that SR 710 is signed right up to the Port of Palm Beach entry:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F09%2FPortOfPalmBeachSR710.jpg&hash=a5a01153c70c09a0035183f96063de7e4fc78070)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 06, 2011, 10:09:12 AM
Quote from: formulanone on September 06, 2011, 09:13:58 AM
A nice US 1 cutout heading east towards its intersection of Blue Heron Blvd:
Nice? Nah, just a guide sign shield.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 06, 2011, 11:25:15 AM
someone needs to walk up to that US-1 sign and paint an inner black border on it.

as for the Turnpike sign: I wonder if that is actually made to a very old standard.  I know the first generation of Penna Turnpike signs were white with black legend.  What about Florida?  Green with white legend was first seriously used starting in 1957 when the AASHO interstate manual introduced the idea nationwide. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 06, 2011, 11:31:33 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 06, 2011, 11:25:15 AM
What about Florida?  Green with white legend was first seriously used starting in 1957 when the AASHO interstate manual introduced the idea nationwide. 
Nope - Sunshine State Parkway (old name) signs were also white on green: http://www.gribblenation.com/flpics/vintage/f28.jpg (Michael Summa, 1982)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 06, 2011, 12:51:05 PM
Formulanone, I spotted a Florida's Turnpike trailblazer that is the complete opposite of the one you posted. This one is on US 27 northbound just south of the Turnpike. They are just like the standard state road shield, but the state outline is white on green (same colors as the Turnpike shield). Unfortunately I'm in Mississippi at the moment and probably won't be able to get a picture until I'm there again in October.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 06, 2011, 03:20:49 PM
Quote from: Ace10 on September 06, 2011, 12:51:05 PM
Formulanone, I spotted a Florida's Turnpike trailblazer that is the complete opposite of the one you posted. This one is on US 27 northbound just south of the Turnpike. They are just like the standard state road shield, but the state outline is white on green (same colors as the Turnpike shield). Unfortunately I'm in Mississippi at the moment and probably won't be able to get a picture until I'm there again in October.

I'd definitely like to see a picture of that!  Does it have "Florida's Turnpike" squeezed in where a number would ordinarily go?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on September 06, 2011, 04:13:33 PM
Update on the I-95 widening projects in Brevard (north and south):

On the south end, there isn't much activity; they have begun repaving I-95 between US 192 and Palm Bay Road, but the sections between US 192 and the Lake Washington Road overpass and from the Pineda Causeway extension to Fiske Boulevard remain with the original pavement; of course, there is no signage at the Pineda Causeway extension exit (saving it for last on purpose?).

On the north end, things are ramping up fast; there are now lane shifts across the entire section of I-95 from SR 528 to SR 406 including Jersey barriers across the majority of the project area, especially between SR 528 and Port St. John Blvd, at the Addison Canal and between the Fox Lake Road overpass and SR 406.  The sound walls in that area that were being put up are virtually complete.

There will be periodic lane closings and lane shifts especially during the evening; if you are driving through this area be real careful of the po-po as not only the FHP's and BCSO but also the Titusville police are out on the northern section at night.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on September 06, 2011, 09:35:38 PM
^^^
SB I95 had the third lane open for several weeks south of 192, but they blocked it off again for no reason. The pavement is all done, and it fed nicely into the 3rd lane between Palm Bay Road and Malabar. Maybe they contractually aren't allowed to open the lane early or something?

It's getting close. I'm looking forward to having that third lane the whole way between my usual Malabar Road exit and the 528.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 06, 2011, 10:16:09 PM
Quote from: realjd on July 02, 2011, 10:36:04 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 02, 2011, 04:56:36 AM
Quote from: realjd on May 04, 2011, 07:54:11 AM
No gore, or any other permenant signage. The first sign said:

PINEDA
CSWY
1 MILE

The second, right at the start of the exit, said

PINEDA
CSWY
--->

and was flashing quickly.

Keep in mind that Community Asphalt (the I-95 contractor) wasn't planning on opening their portion for another 3 or 4 months. They were forced by the state to do it early. I wouldn't expect actual signage until closer to then.

Any update on new permanent signage yet?  Just was curious. ;)

None yet. All other new signage for the widening project is installed but nothing at Pineda. They haven't even poured the foundations for the gantries as of yesterday. They are busily working on final paving for the third lane though. It's actually done in a few spots with the right lane coned off to keep people from using it.

There is new construction from the 528 north to the Volusia county line. It's not adding an extra lane contrary to popular belief. They are repaving and adding a much needed median crash barrier.

Any new updates on the signage yet? :P lol. ;)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 07, 2011, 06:00:39 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 06, 2011, 03:20:49 PM
Quote from: Ace10 on September 06, 2011, 12:51:05 PM
Formulanone, I spotted a Florida's Turnpike trailblazer that is the complete opposite of the one you posted. This one is on US 27 northbound just south of the Turnpike. They are just like the standard state road shield, but the state outline is white on green (same colors as the Turnpike shield). Unfortunately I'm in Mississippi at the moment and probably won't be able to get a picture until I'm there again in October.

I'd definitely like to see a picture of that!  Does it have "Florida's Turnpike" squeezed in where a number would ordinarily go?
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=clermont,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.642766,-81.806324&spn=0.016817,0.041199&gl=us&t=k&z=16&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.642693,-81.80642&panoid=OJp_sXKdusLvHFpdCK2jYw&cbp=12,279.51,,2,-8.17

Another abnormal style (probably put up by Orange County): http://maps.google.com/maps?q=clermont,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.552542,-81.542115&spn=0.016831,0.041199&gl=us&t=k&z=16&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.55263,-81.542123&panoid=YKg8ix96zyEU_huYKKbLMQ&cbp=12,233.91,,2,-0.59
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 07, 2011, 04:44:30 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 06, 2011, 03:20:49 PM
Quote from: Ace10 on September 06, 2011, 12:51:05 PM
Formulanone, I spotted a Florida's Turnpike trailblazer that is the complete opposite of the one you posted. This one is on US 27 northbound just south of the Turnpike. They are just like the standard state road shield, but the state outline is white on green (same colors as the Turnpike shield). Unfortunately I'm in Mississippi at the moment and probably won't be able to get a picture until I'm there again in October.

I'd definitely like to see a picture of that!  Does it have "Florida's Turnpike" squeezed in where a number would ordinarily go?

I poked around on SouthEastRoads and couldn't find the sign I saw, so I made a quick mockup. The wording is probably inaccurate ("Florida's Turnpike" is probably just "Turnpike") but the white state outline is definitely the same as the real sign. Next time I'm in that area, which will be October, I'll be sure to grab a picture of the signs (there are multiple ones Northbound - not sure about Southbound).

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2FUS27_JCT_FL91.png&hash=965f0c6f26b96612bd826acad91ae7a6353434d2) (http://astareglobe.org/public/US27_JCT_FL91.png)

Edit: NE2 beat me to it, like 10 hours ago, lol. Should've thought about Google Maps. That first link posted is very close to the sign I saw. The mockup I made should be of the sign that is posted just two miles south of the one linked. I'll poke around Google Maps some and see if I can find it.

Edit #2: Found them! The sign is located at 28.634053N,81.778012W. Below are the two best shots I could get from Street View:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2FUS27_JCT_FL91_0.jpg&hash=880f9844be30ba31a7119c8ea064701ba1e7577b) (http://astareglobe.org/public/US27_JCT_FL91_0.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2FUS27_JCT_FL91_1.jpg&hash=6dddc79de237435e427be5b6b45c737cd47bfc67) (http://astareglobe.org/public/US27_JCT_FL91_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on September 07, 2011, 06:14:00 PM
Quote from: NE2 on September 07, 2011, 06:00:39 AM

Another abnormal style (probably put up by Orange County): http://maps.google.com/maps?q=clermont,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.552542,-81.542115&spn=0.016831,0.041199&gl=us&t=k&z=16&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.55263,-81.542123&panoid=YKg8ix96zyEU_huYKKbLMQ&cbp=12,233.91,,2,-0.59

I have seen those other Florida's Turnpike trailblazer and am searching through my archives to see if I have photographed it. In the meantime I found a photo of the shield assembly on the other side of Maguire Road:

(https://www.aaroads.com/queue/cache/forum-images/img_8113_w1000_h750.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/queue/cache/forum-images/img_8113_w1000_h750.jpg)

Taken 04-11-08.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 07, 2011, 06:56:49 PM
You have to wonder if these BGSs and trailblazers are made by county sign shops. I think Maguire Rd is a county road (not sure of the number off hand ... 438 or 439?), and I have seen that style in a few other spots (one image posted below). But that doesn't explain the ones on US 27, like NE2 and I posted above. I mean those shields for the Turnpike are so far out of left field. And I figure with US 27 being state maintained, they would post the offical shields at least.

I found some others around the Orlando area. This one is on John Young Pkwy heading Northbound just south of the FL 528 interchange. 28.418151N,81.422535W

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2FCR423N_Orange_JCT_FL528_0.jpg&hash=5efd9aaa7761c0b33e3b525d8304bc721ca1d23c) (http://astareglobe.org/public/CR423N_Orange_JCT_FL528_0.jpg)

And this one is on one of the roads heading out from the Florida Mall. By far the worst shields I've ever seen in person. 28.443877N,81.399287W
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2FFloridaMallTrailblazers.jpg&hash=231e711c98688ff1077dc646ddd6c886d463b180) (http://astareglobe.org/public/FloridaMallTrailblazers.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on September 08, 2011, 09:46:56 AM
Those shields near the Florida Mall always reminded me of the cartoony ones that the Disney World uses.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 08, 2011, 10:04:47 AM
Quote from: realjd on September 08, 2011, 09:46:56 AM
Those shields near the Florida Mall always reminded me of the cartoony ones that the Disney World uses.

Same here. They could at least make the ones on their BPSs (Big PURPLE signs) MUTCD compliant. Same goes for all of their signs - their speed limits and other warning signs like merges, curves, and advisory speeds are all custom designs. But interestingly once you go beyond the "Service and Authorized Vehicles Only" areas (for Reedy Creek and Cast Members) every sign you encounter is MUTCD compliant, including I-4 and US 192 trailblazers. Go figure.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on September 08, 2011, 05:18:52 PM
Quote from: formulanone on September 06, 2011, 09:13:58 AM
And I found it odd that SR 710 is signed right up to the Port of Palm Beach entry:

That, and CR 706 is still signed as SR 706 at SR 710, at least going northbound.


Also, I noticed that any mention of South Street on I-4 westbound has been greened out (on the overhead mileage sign immediately after Colonial) and the South Street exit sign on the old butterfly gantry has been taken down.  


Quote from: NE2 on September 06, 2011, 12:23:15 AM
From the latest GIS data it looks like SR 3 has been re-extended back to the KSC border.

Interesting because there have been Begin/End SR 3 shields at the KSC border for a while.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on September 08, 2011, 07:34:23 PM
Quote
Interesting because there have been Begin/End SR 3 shields at the KSC border for a while.

They finally got around to adding Begin/End SR 405 shields about a year ago.  Was very surprised that they got around to it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 08, 2011, 10:16:29 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on September 08, 2011, 07:34:23 PM
Quote
Interesting because there have been Begin/End SR 3 shields at the KSC border for a while.

They finally got around to adding Begin/End SR 405 shields about a year ago.  Was very surprised that they got around to it.

Maybe that's why the Kennedy Space Center Visitor's Complex still thinks they're located on State Road 405 (I saw this on a sales receipt from the food court). I thought that was a little odd since I saw the END 405 shield just before Merritt Island while heading there for the first time.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on September 08, 2011, 10:33:42 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on September 08, 2011, 07:34:23 PM
Quote
Interesting because there have been Begin/End SR 3 shields at the KSC border for a while.

They finally got around to adding Begin/End SR 405 shields about a year ago.  Was very surprised that they got around to it.

Awesome! Are they located at the pavement change? Will have to get some photos soon.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on September 09, 2011, 11:41:16 AM
Quote from: florida on September 08, 2011, 10:33:42 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on September 08, 2011, 07:34:23 PM
Quote
Interesting because there have been Begin/End SR 3 shields at the KSC border for a while.

They finally got around to adding Begin/End SR 405 shields about a year ago.  Was very surprised that they got around to it.

Awesome! Are they located at the pavement change? Will have to get some photos soon.

Yes, right at the border with KSC and the Astronaut Hall of Fame.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 14, 2011, 02:38:08 PM
I don't think anyone's posted a photo of one of these yet:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi56.tinypic.com%2F4fwz2q.jpg&hash=b3ff57ab89322d693ec97608180327ecdbe8ab7d)

Also note that the legislative dual-naming of SR 50 after MLK (from Ocoee to SR 436) has been added to street signs.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on September 14, 2011, 03:57:54 PM
Haven't seen any yet in South Florida, except for one on a BGS along southbound I-75 for the Gratigny Parkway.

I haven seen a number of them with no color (just white), for the Sawgrass Expressway (which makes about five different shields for that route):

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F09%2FSR869bgsSR7sb.jpg&hash=bac57d70fcff6c508b8039058bda81ab3851f1a6)

...while were at it, another Florida's Turnpike shield abomination (thanks for making my state look like a turd, guys!)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on September 15, 2011, 07:50:45 PM
Quote from: formulanone on September 14, 2011, 03:57:54 PM
Haven't seen any yet in South Florida, except for one on a BGS along southbound I-75 for the Gratigny Parkway.

I haven seen a number of them with no color (just white), for the Sawgrass Expressway (which makes about five different shields for that route):

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F09%2FSR869bgsSR7sb.jpg&hash=bac57d70fcff6c508b8039058bda81ab3851f1a6)

...while were at it, another Florida's Turnpike shield abomination (thanks for making my state look like a turd, guys!)



The HEFT is full of yellow banner toll shields.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 17, 2011, 06:01:06 AM
Quote from: realjd on September 15, 2011, 07:50:45 PMThe HEFT is full of yellow banner toll shields.

SR 874 (Don Shula Expressway) also has yellow toll shields on BGS's to SR 878 and for reassurance BGSs for SR 874. And as realjd mentioned, the HEFT has a few too - including the ones on BGSs to SR 874. Southbound I-75 also has one for the HEFT Southbound. I posted some pictures here (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg105513#msg105513).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on September 17, 2011, 01:27:57 PM
Short photo set from the newest portion of Florida 293 that opened southeast of Niceville earlier this summer:

(https://www.aaroads.com/queue/cache/forum-images/dsc_0060_595.jpg)
Opening in July, Florida 293 now reaches Range Road about 1.4 miles east of Florida 20 southeast of Niceville. Locals may use this northernmost entry point of Florida 293 to travel south to Destin on the south side of Choctowhatchee Bay.

(https://www.aaroads.com/queue/cache/forum-images/dsc_0070_595.jpg)
Florida 293 heads southward to intersect with Florida 20 in 0.5 miles. The Bluewater Bay development can be reached via the SPUI ahead and lies northwest along Florida 20.

(https://www.aaroads.com/queue/cache/forum-images/dsc_0075_595.jpg)
Sign advising southbound motorists of the toll plaza ahead of the Mid-Bay Bridge across Choctowhatchee Bay.

(https://www.aaroads.com/queue/cache/forum-images/dsc_0079_595.jpg)
Northbound on-ramp from Lakeshore Drive onto Florida 293. A pair of signs alert motorists of the upcoming SPUI with Florida 20.

(https://www.aaroads.com/queue/cache/forum-images/dsc_0090_595.jpg)
Florida 293 north currently ends at Range Road. Construction is taking place to extend Florida 293 northwestward toward Florida 285 and Florida 85, where the planned toll facility will end at a trumpet interchange. Florida 293 should open fully by 2014.

(https://www.aaroads.com/queue/cache/forum-images/dsc_0084_595.jpg)
Sign bridge for Florida 293 north and south along Florida 20 east. Once completed, Florida 293 will stretch from U.S. 98 in Destin to Florida 85 north of Niceville.

The planned open road toll facility will eventually link with Florida 85 north of Niceville, having interchanges at Lakeshore Drive, Florida 20, Range Road and Florida 285. 
All photos taken 9/17/2011 by ABRoads.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on September 18, 2011, 08:47:24 PM
^^That's awesome! I like the regular shields for the route.


Just to update, SR 582 in Tarpon Springs is no more...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on September 20, 2011, 04:02:08 PM
Pineda Causeway Signage Update:
They've just put in the foundations for the gantries, and the gantries are all on-site and not yet assembled. No sign of actual signs yet though.

The third lane is currently open from just south of the Pineda Causeway north. Like the third lane open from 192 south last month, I expect it won't stay open for long.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on September 21, 2011, 10:36:06 AM
Quote from: realjd on September 20, 2011, 04:02:08 PM
Pineda Causeway Signage Update:
They've just put in the foundations for the gantries, and the gantries are all on-site and not yet assembled. No sign of actual signs yet though.

The third lane is currently open from just south of the Pineda Causeway north. Like the third lane open from 192 south last month, I expect it won't stay open for long.

I saw that lane open this past weekend, except they'd only done it for the northbound side, not the southbound...and oh, what a difference it made!  The traffic just melted away!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on September 26, 2011, 11:28:01 AM
Quote from: NE2 on September 07, 2011, 06:00:39 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 06, 2011, 03:20:49 PM
Quote from: Ace10 on September 06, 2011, 12:51:05 PM
Formulanone, I spotted a Florida's Turnpike trailblazer that is the complete opposite of the one you posted. This one is on US 27 northbound just south of the Turnpike. They are just like the standard state road shield, but the state outline is white on green (same colors as the Turnpike shield). Unfortunately I'm in Mississippi at the moment and probably won't be able to get a picture until I'm there again in October.

I'd definitely like to see a picture of that!  Does it have "Florida's Turnpike" squeezed in where a number would ordinarily go?
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=clermont,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.642766,-81.806324&spn=0.016817,0.041199&gl=us&t=k&z=16&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.642693,-81.80642&panoid=OJp_sXKdusLvHFpdCK2jYw&cbp=12,279.51,,2,-8.17

Another abnormal style (probably put up by Orange County): http://maps.google.com/maps?q=clermont,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.552542,-81.542115&spn=0.016831,0.041199&gl=us&t=k&z=16&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.55263,-81.542123&panoid=YKg8ix96zyEU_huYKKbLMQ&cbp=12,233.91,,2,-0.59

Seeing this post makes me wonder are there any TOLL SR-91 signs on the mainline turnpike?

I would like to see them and change the HEFT to 91 as well to be consistent with the mile markers. 

And hell why we are at it why not sign as a Southern I-91.  But that would confuse some poor sap from Springfiled, Mass  wondering why I-91 dumps him onto I-75 in Wildwood FL with out ever going thru Hartford
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on September 26, 2011, 03:33:51 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on September 26, 2011, 11:28:01 AM
Seeing this post makes me wonder are there any TOLL SR-91 signs on the mainline turnpike?

I would like to see them and change the HEFT to 91 as well to be consistent with the mile markers. 

And hell why we are at it why not sign as a Southern I-91.  But that would confuse some poor sap from Springfiled, Mass  wondering why I-91 dumps him onto I-75 in Wildwood FL with out ever going thru Hartford

There are no TOLL-91 shields anywhere AFAIK. The HEFT is signed as a regular portion of the Turnpike, and the mile markers for the entire road start at 0 where the HEFT ends at US1. The exit numbers for the old spur between the HEFT and the I-95/Golden Glades interchange are numbered 1X, 2X, etc.

It's not I-91 for two reasons. First, the Turnpike predates the interstate system. The HEFT is an extension of the Turnpike. Second, it's my understanding that tolled interstates aren't allowed except for the few up north that were grandfathered in.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on September 26, 2011, 05:17:14 PM
Quote from: realjd on September 26, 2011, 03:33:51 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on September 26, 2011, 11:28:01 AM
Seeing this post makes me wonder are there any TOLL SR-91 signs on the mainline turnpike?

I would like to see them and change the HEFT to 91 as well to be consistent with the mile markers. 

And hell why we are at it why not sign as a Southern I-91.  But that would confuse some poor sap from Springfiled, Mass  wondering why I-91 dumps him onto I-75 in Wildwood FL with out ever going thru Hartford

There are no TOLL-91 shields anywhere AFAIK. The HEFT is signed as a regular portion of the Turnpike, and the mile markers for the entire road start at 0 where the HEFT ends at US1. The exit numbers for the old spur between the HEFT and the I-95/Golden Glades interchange are numbered 1X, 2X, etc.

It's not I-91 for two reasons. First, the Turnpike predates the interstate system. The HEFT is an extension of the Turnpike. Second, it's my understanding that tolled interstates aren't allowed except for the few up north that were grandfathered in.

now that they are approving tolling existing interstates that should not be a problem having a tolled interstate. If its good enuf for NJ why not FL.  I remember maps showing the turnpike as 95 in the Ft Pierce to Palm Beach area back in the 1970s
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 26, 2011, 07:51:35 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on September 26, 2011, 11:28:01 AMI would like to see them and change the HEFT to 91 as well to be consistent with the mile markers.

The HEFT is just that, an extension. The original Turnpike's southern terminus is at The Golden Glades Interchange with I-95, US 441, and FL 826. The HEFT was constructed west and south to US 1 near Florida City, and is now treated as the southern terminus of the Turnpike, at least as far as mile markers and exit numbers are concerned. Because it's in effect a separate road, it carries the hidden designation of SR 821. There are also no SR 821 shields on the HEFT.

It is my understanding that FDOT, in their GIS shapefiles, identify new alignments with a new Road ID. Such is the case with the HEFT. With that comes a separate state road number. OOCEA, however, will break that rule when SR 429 is eventually extended, and the old alignment of SR 429 will become SR 451.

And that SR 91 shield that is my avatar: you won't see that anywhere in the field.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on September 27, 2011, 08:22:25 AM
Quote from: Ace10 on September 26, 2011, 07:51:35 PM
The HEFT is just that, an extension. The original Turnpike's southern terminus is at The Golden Glades Interchange with I-95, US 441, and FL 826. The HEFT was constructed west and south to US 1 near Florida City, and is now treated as the southern terminus of the Turnpike, at least as far as mile markers and exit numbers are concerned. Because it's in effect a separate road, it carries the hidden designation of SR 821. There are also no SR 821 shields on the HEFT.

What irks me is that back in 1993, I once saw two "FL 821" shields on a pair of BGS right at US 27 (N. Okeechobee Road), indicating that there's ramps north and southbound on the HEFT. No camera with me at the time (didn't matter, I barely had any money for developing film on my budget), but my guess is that they're long gone. That's the only time I've ever seen that secret number signed in the field, and I can't even prove it...D'oh.

This is what you get now. (http://maps.google.com/?ll=25.898376,-80.382371&spn=0.02714,0.052314&t=h&z=15&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=25.898135,-80.381683&panoid=W--K39lmu5Ago9K3SkeVCQ&cbp=12,308.27,,0,5.83) How many times do we need a reminder that it's a TOLL road?

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on September 27, 2011, 09:17:18 AM
Quote from: formulanone on September 27, 2011, 08:22:25 AM
This is what you get now. (http://maps.google.com/?ll=25.898376,-80.382371&spn=0.02714,0.052314&t=h&z=15&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=25.898135,-80.381683&panoid=W--K39lmu5Ago9K3SkeVCQ&cbp=12,308.27,,0,5.83) How many times do we need a reminder that it's a TOLL road?

Florida tried to argue the stupid yellow toll banner rule but they told the state to bugger off: https://ceprofs.civil.tamu.edu/ghawkins/MTC-Files/2011-01_Meeting/2009%20MUTCD%20Letter%20to%20Mendez%2010-05-10.pdf
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on September 27, 2011, 10:42:14 AM
Quote from: realjd on September 27, 2011, 09:17:18 AM
Florida tried to argue the stupid yellow toll banner rule but they told the state to bugger off: https://ceprofs.civil.tamu.edu/ghawkins/MTC-Files/2011-01_Meeting/2009%20MUTCD%20Letter%20to%20Mendez%2010-05-10.pdf

That's it, secession! First they take away our colored US shields, and now this. Not as if the rest of the country wouldn't mind:



-----------------------------------------------------

Slightly off-topic question...what is a "popcorn shield"? I found a few references to it in other threads for Florida State Road signs, but can't find one linking to a picture of one. I take it that it's an ugly FL shield, but now I'm curious.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 27, 2011, 05:42:08 PM
I've seen 91 posted in the field, but only on those blue construction funding signs. I've seen the same for SR 8 (I-10) and SR 400 (I-4). Along the whole length of the turnpike (plus the HEFT), I haven't seen any other mention of the numbers. There may very well be some at interchanges like the ones you mentioned (and like the weird ones on US 27 which I hope to get pictures of in October), but none on the actual RoW.

That TOLL 528 mockup in the PDF that realjd posted - laughable. I see that was dated for October 2010. Were there any yellow toll shields (as opposed to green) out in the field around that time? The only one I can think of was for SR 924 near Miami. I didn't see any others spring up until later on. Is there any official documentation for the yellow toll shield becoming the new standard? If so I've got some updating to do for my OpenRoad app.

I find it funny in the letter that they mention "having two different types of toll shields on our toll route system is not good for driver expectancy". I can think of at least FIVE different versions in use today: Green banner with black state outline, green banner with orange state outline, yellow banner with black state outline, yellow banner with orange state outline (at SR 520 and SR 528, right?), and green banner with black state outline with NO "TOLL" legend (SR 874 after last toll gantry). That's not including Florida's Turnpike (with and without the yellow TOLL banner) as well as those weird ones on US 27. So theoretically there are EIGHT different styles of shield that tell the driver it's a TOLL road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on September 28, 2011, 07:46:43 AM
Quote from: Ace10 on September 27, 2011, 05:42:08 PM
I've seen 91 posted in the field, but only on those blue construction funding signs. I've seen the same for SR 8 (I-10) and SR 400 (I-4). Along the whole length of the turnpike (plus the HEFT), I haven't seen any other mention of the numbers. There may very well be some at interchanges like the ones you mentioned (and like the weird ones on US 27 which I hope to get pictures of in October), but none on the actual RoW.

That TOLL 528 mockup in the PDF that realjd posted - laughable. I see that was dated for October 2010. Were there any yellow toll shields (as opposed to green) out in the field around that time? The only one I can think of was for SR 924 near Miami. I didn't see any others spring up until later on. Is there any official documentation for the yellow toll shield becoming the new standard? If so I've got some updating to do for my OpenRoad app.

I find it funny in the letter that they mention "having two different types of toll shields on our toll route system is not good for driver expectancy". I can think of at least FIVE different versions in use today: Green banner with black state outline, green banner with orange state outline, yellow banner with black state outline, yellow banner with orange state outline (at SR 520 and SR 528, right?), and green banner with black state outline with NO "TOLL" legend (SR 874 after last toll gantry). That's not including Florida's Turnpike (with and without the yellow TOLL banner) as well as those weird ones on US 27. So theoretically there are EIGHT different styles of shield that tell the driver it's a TOLL road.

Here's the FHWA response letter:
https://ceprofs.civil.tamu.edu/ghawkins/MTC-Files/2011-01_Meeting/FDOT-Def%20of%20Std_Option%20Ln%20Signing_Pvmt%20Mkgs_TOLL%20Marker%20%28CTS%20101025-011-2004%29-REPLY.pdf

I have been able to find absolutely nothing about the yellow-bannered toll shields. Even the FTE design guide (which has the Turnpike shield with the yellow banner) doesn't include them. I think we've noticed they're only using them for directional signs leading onto the road, not for reassurance markers on the road itself, but it would be nice to get confirmation.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 28, 2011, 10:10:39 PM
Thanks, realjd. Seems like the FHWA is being pretty cooperative here.

I have noticed FDOT and FTE are using the yellow banner for trailblazers/directionals almost exclusively. I have seen the yellow banner shield on a BGS on a pullthrough for SR 874, so there's at least one use where the own road's shield does have a yellow banner once you're already on the road. Most others I've seen are trailblazers for other roads only - then again, the ones in the Miami area were probably newly-made due to the Toll-by-Plate requirement.

It would be interesting to see what happens with the SR 408 / SR 417 interchange reconstruction, if they decide to make new signs, if they will include the yellow toll banner. May as well be consistent, right?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 28, 2011, 10:18:51 PM
So apparently a new ramp was constructed from Orange CR 437A to SR 429 in the Orlando area. The ramp's been open as of 8 September according to this press release (http://www.oocea.com/Corporate/news/PressReleases.aspx?ID=140).

Does anyone have any details or pictures of this new ramp? I'm wondering if it enters onto SR 429 north of its SR 414 exit to more easily facilitate access to 414. I'll try to get pictures and details myself when I'm in that area in October.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 28, 2011, 10:53:46 PM
Quote from: Ace10 on September 28, 2011, 10:18:51 PM
So apparently a new ramp was constructed from Orange CR 437A to SR 429 in the Orlando area. The ramp's been open as of 8 September according to this press release (http://www.oocea.com/Corporate/news/PressReleases.aspx?ID=140).

Does anyone have any details or pictures of this new ramp? I'm wondering if it enters onto SR 429 north of its SR 414 exit to more easily facilitate access to 414. I'll try to get pictures and details myself when I'm in that area in October.
It's south of the old one: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.63365&lon=-81.54145&zoom=16&layers=M
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on September 28, 2011, 11:08:03 PM
The "18-mile stretch" of the Overseas Highway (US 1) reconstruction has been completed.  The Belize Blue Jersey barriers are a special Conch Republic touch.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2011/09/28/construction-wraps-on-18-mile-stretch-improvements/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 28, 2011, 11:20:05 PM
Quote from: NE2 on September 28, 2011, 10:53:46 PMIt's south of the old one: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.63365&lon=-81.54145&zoom=16&layers=M

Ah, that's where it is. Thanks for the info, NE2. So much for having access to SR 414 be easier... unless the big new interchange will eventually make it easier. I'll still try to grab some pics when I'm down in October.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on September 28, 2011, 11:28:28 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on September 28, 2011, 11:08:03 PM
The "18-mile stretch" of the Overseas Highway (US 1) reconstruction has been completed.  The Belize Blue Jersey barriers are a special Conch Republic touch.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2011/09/28/construction-wraps-on-18-mile-stretch-improvements/


Excellent! That construction was nasty. I'm driving down there in a few weeks so it finished just in time.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 28, 2011, 11:49:47 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on September 28, 2011, 11:08:03 PM
The "18-mile stretch" of the Overseas Highway (US 1) reconstruction has been completed.  The Belize Blue Jersey barriers are a special Conch Republic touch.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2011/09/28/construction-wraps-on-18-mile-stretch-improvements/

I'm glad it's finished, as well. The drive down there wasn't too bad, but it'll be nice to not have construction and a 55 mph speed limit (if memory serves me correctly).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 29, 2011, 12:12:14 PM
Quote from: Ace10 on September 28, 2011, 11:20:05 PM
So much for having access to SR 414 be easier... unless the big new interchange will eventually make it easier. I'll still try to grab some pics when I'm down in October.
You'll be able to enter SR 429 north at the new interchange, and then take the ramp to SR 414 east.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 29, 2011, 01:12:24 PM
Quote from: NE2 on September 29, 2011, 12:12:14 PM
Quote from: Ace10 on September 28, 2011, 11:20:05 PM
So much for having access to SR 414 be easier... unless the big new interchange will eventually make it easier. I'll still try to grab some pics when I'm down in October.
You'll be able to enter SR 429 north at the new interchange, and then take the ramp to SR 414 east.

I meant entering SR 414 East from SR 429 South ... if the ramp were north of the SR 414 interchange, leading southbound, that would make access to SR 414 easier. Right now the only access to SR 414 East from SR 429 South is via US 441 - though I'm sure once one is driving south on CR 437A, they missed the opportunity to enter from the north anyway. The next full interchange (likely with ramp tolls) should provide access to SR 429 North and South, with access to SR 414 from SR 429 North.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on September 29, 2011, 01:47:03 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on September 28, 2011, 11:08:03 PM
The "18-mile stretch" of the Overseas Highway (US 1) reconstruction has been completed.  The Belize Blue Jersey barriers are a special Conch Republic touch.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2011/09/28/construction-wraps-on-18-mile-stretch-improvements/


I think it should have been 4 lanes to match the road to the north and south. Development in the keys is limited by lack of land and a 18 mile stretch of 4 lane hwy would not make any more land magically appear.  Its a pain in the a** to have a2 lane road when you are stuck behind a 75 y/o pulling a Cadillac behind a motor home at 45 MPH.

Card Sound Road has never had much traffic on it when I have been to the keys
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 29, 2011, 02:38:59 PM
Quote from: Ace10 on September 29, 2011, 01:12:24 PM
Quote from: NE2 on September 29, 2011, 12:12:14 PM
Quote from: Ace10 on September 28, 2011, 11:20:05 PM
So much for having access to SR 414 be easier... unless the big new interchange will eventually make it easier. I'll still try to grab some pics when I'm down in October.
You'll be able to enter SR 429 north at the new interchange, and then take the ramp to SR 414 east.

I meant entering SR 414 East from SR 429 South ... if the ramp were north of the SR 414 interchange, leading southbound, that would make access to SR 414 easier. Right now the only access to SR 414 East from SR 429 South is via US 441 - though I'm sure once one is driving south on CR 437A, they missed the opportunity to enter from the north anyway. The next full interchange (likely with ramp tolls) should provide access to SR 429 North and South, with access to SR 414 from SR 429 North.

I'm not sure exactly which movement you're talking about. Currently, unless something has been closed, there's direct access between CR 437A and SR 414, direct access between future SR 451 and SR 414, and indirect access between Ocoee-bound SR 429 and SR 414 by using CR 437A.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Lyle on September 29, 2011, 03:22:36 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on September 29, 2011, 01:47:03 PM

I think it should have been 4 lanes to match the road to the north and south. Development in the keys is limited by lack of land and a 18 mile stretch of 4 lane hwy would not make any more land magically appear.  Its a pain in the a** to have a2 lane road when you are stuck behind a 75 y/o pulling a Cadillac behind a motor home at 45 MPH.


I agree completely. It definitely should have two lanes in each direction the whole way.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 29, 2011, 04:26:37 PM
Quote from: NE2 on September 29, 2011, 02:38:59 PMI'm not sure exactly which movement you're talking about. Currently, unless something has been closed, there's direct access between CR 437A and SR 414, direct access between future SR 451 and SR 414, and indirect access between Ocoee-bound SR 429 and SR 414 by using CR 437A.

You're absolutely right! I forgot about that at-grade intersection at SR 414's now western terminus. Oops.

Just the existing ramp from CR 437A to SR 429 South has just been closed and a new one involving the same movements opened just a little further south of the one that was closed. I was thinking a new one should've been placed further north of SR 414, because that at-grade intersection there right now obviously won't be there if they're planning a full interchange.

I poked around OOCEA's site and couldn't find details on just the work being done on the 414/429 interchange, though construction looks like it's in full swing. I guess we'll see in time.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 29, 2011, 04:38:30 PM
Quote from: Ace10 on September 29, 2011, 04:26:37 PM
I poked around OOCEA's site and couldn't find details on just the work being done on the 414/429 interchange, though construction looks like it's in full swing. I guess we'll see in time.
http://www.oocea.com/Corporate/oursystem/SR429/assets/SR429SR414interchange.pdf
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 29, 2011, 05:19:13 PM
YES! That's what I'm looking for. Thanks for the link. I originally saw the plans for the extension, and that didn't have much detail for the interchange in question. The PDF you linked me to shows this detail perfectly. I appreciate it!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Lyle on October 04, 2011, 06:00:57 PM
Major improvements coming to I-95 in Boca Raton

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/region_s_palm_beach_county/boca_raton/major-improvements-coming-to-i-95-in-boca-raton (http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/region_s_palm_beach_county/boca_raton/major-improvements-coming-to-i-95-in-boca-raton)

I-95 in Boca Raton, Florida, is scheduled to be widened to 10 lanes, and a new interchange is scheduled to be constructed to serve Florida Atlantic University directly from the north.

Quote
Highway expanding to 10 lanes

BOCA RATON, Fla. - Interstate 95 in Boca Raton is getting a major makeover in the next five years.

A new interchange to serve Florida Atlantic University is coming sooner than expected.

Plus, the Florida Department of Transportation plans to widen the highway from eight to 10 lanes through most of the city, with construction starting in 2016.

"This is just fabulous," Deputy Mayor Susan Haynie said. "Good news for Boca."

Construction on the Spanish River Boulevard interchange is slated to start in 2013, two years earlier than planned.

The new interchange, to be located about midway between the Spanish River overpass and Yamato Road, will carry FAU traffic directly to the campus.

FAU traffic has long caused backups on Glades Road and I-95. But construction of the Spanish River interchange became paramount as the university built its 30,000-seat football stadium.

The stadium will open Oct. 15.

Last year, FDOT said construction on the interchange would start in 2015. But the state was able to move the project up as other projects have come in under budget.

"We're accelerating as quickly as we can," said Ron Wallace, an FDOT project manager. "It should help alleviate a lot of congestion, especially at the Yamato Road and Glades Road interchanges."

It should take about two years to build the $77 million interchange.

And soon after, the widening should start. FDOT plans to add an extra lane in each direction from just south of Glades Road to Linton Boulevard. Those projects will cost about $51 million.

That stretch of highway has become a bottleneck as much of Palm Beach County to the north has been widened to 10 lanes.

"It's like a missing link," said Randy Whitfield, executive director of the Palm Beach Metropolitan Planning Organization. "That's been one of our top priorities for a number of years."

The additional lanes could end up being express lanes. Wallace said the state transportation department is re-examining the widening projects to see if the additional lanes should be built as express lanes.

State transportation officials consider the express lanes in Miami successful, and are expanding the lanes to Broward County.

All this highway construction in Boca Raton is a complete turnaround from years past. In recent years, transportation officials were projecting no I-95 improvements in the city until 2025.

But as construction costs have decreased in the weak economy, the state transportation department has been able to advance more projects that have been waiting on the sidelines for money to become available.

Haynie is sure that's why Boca Raton now is reaping the benefits, even as it's waited for years for improvements.

"Glades Road is the most congested in the county," she said. "We needed the improvements a couple of years ago."

Copyright © 2011, South Florida Sun-Sentinel

I say this is good news. I am currently a graduate student at Florida Atlantic University, and there is always a lot of traffic in the area. Also, I-95 currently goes down from five lanes in each direction to four at the Congress Avenue exit (Exit 50) in Boca Raton and goes back to five at Commercial Boulevard (Exit 32) in Fort Lauderdale. This causes heavy traffic in the area. I know it is that way mostly for historical reasons rather than for practical reasons, but I am still glad I-95 will be widened.

- Lyle
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on October 04, 2011, 09:14:09 PM
Quote from: formulanone on September 27, 2011, 10:42:14 AM
Slightly off-topic question...what is a "popcorn shield"? I found a few references to it in other threads for Florida State Road signs, but can't find one linking to a picture of one. I take it that it's an ugly FL shield, but now I'm curious.

They are signs indigenous to Escambia, Santa Rosa and Okaloosa Counties. I don't know why District 3 allows them, but they're horrible.

https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida090/us-090_eb_app_fl-742.jpg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 04, 2011, 11:49:48 PM
Quote from: florida on October 04, 2011, 09:14:09 PM
Quote from: formulanone on September 27, 2011, 10:42:14 AM
Slightly off-topic question...what is a "popcorn shield"? I found a few references to it in other threads for Florida State Road signs, but can't find one linking to a picture of one. I take it that it's an ugly FL shield, but now I'm curious.

They are signs indigenous to Escambia, Santa Rosa and Okaloosa Counties. I don't know why District 3 allows them, but they're horrible.

https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida090/us-090_eb_app_fl-742.jpg


Have you written them to ask? Those are hideous!

EDIT: fixed mangled quote
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: codyg1985 on October 05, 2011, 07:58:51 AM
Quote from: DeaconG on September 09, 2011, 11:41:16 AM
Quote from: florida on September 08, 2011, 10:33:42 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on September 08, 2011, 07:34:23 PM
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Interesting because there have been Begin/End SR 3 shields at the KSC border for a while.

They finally got around to adding Begin/End SR 405 shields about a year ago.  Was very surprised that they got around to it.

Awesome! Are they located at the pavement change? Will have to get some photos soon.

Yes, right at the border with KSC and the Astronaut Hall of Fame.

Here is an assembly inside of KSC that says TO FL 405 and TO US 1:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=kennedy+space+center,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.525831,-80.664153&spn=0.030127,0.038581&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=54.928982,79.013672&vpsrc=6&hq=kennedy+space+center,&hnear=Florida&t=h&fll=28.520929,-80.665741&fspn=0.030128,0.038581&z=15&layer=c&cbll=28.52571,-80.664172&panoid=y0mSJ-igVBu5W5XC3O51ng&cbp=12,8.81,,0,6.81

Interesting that those signs don't appear to have stickers on the back like other FDOT-installed signs, so these may have been installed by the KSC Facilities Office.

Yay, my hobby intersects my job (sort of).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on October 05, 2011, 09:38:38 AM
They probably were installed by KSC's Facilities Office-there's a few more of them on KSC also, both on the NASA Causeway and Space Commerce Way.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 05, 2011, 12:15:56 PM
I've always wondered how Google got permission to do StreetView on KSC property. Just like on a military base, you'd think they wouldn't allow it due to security concerns or something.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on October 05, 2011, 12:45:02 PM
Quote from: florida on October 04, 2011, 09:14:09 PM
Have you written them to ask? Those are hideous!

They are signs indigenous to Escambia, Santa Rosa and Okaloosa Counties. I don't know why District 3 allows them, but they're horrible.

https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida090/us-090_eb_app_fl-742.jpg


Okay, thanks. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I think I've seen that awkward design in a few places in the South Florida/Treasure Coast.

I've never liked the wider "standalone" state road shields, except on BGS. But they seem to be the de facto standard for almost all 3-digit State Roads in the past decade.

I'm getting nostalgic for the square 1982-spec shields, since Keys Shields are nearly all gone in South Florida.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm7.static.flickr.com%2F6046%2F6214282569_7da371a6f4_b.jpg&hash=ff7190ff1caa94238fa0a5b27489ddbc8b6998ae)
SR 814 East (http://www.flickr.com/photos/formulanone/6214282569/in/photostream) by formulanone at Flickr
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 05, 2011, 12:48:21 PM
the "1982 spec" shield has been around as early as April 1977.  there is, indeed, a very brief overlap of that style of shield with "S-" prefix for state secondary routes, which were downgraded in October 1977.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on October 05, 2011, 01:52:18 PM
Gene asked me to pass along this question:
QuoteDid they always have the do not stop blinking amber lights at the disney entrance arches?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 05, 2011, 02:47:55 PM
Quote from: Alex on October 05, 2011, 01:52:18 PM
Gene asked me to pass along this question:
QuoteDid they always have the do not stop blinking amber lights at the disney entrance arches?

I had to go look at Google StreetView to see what he was talking about. I don't recall seeing those before. Not to say they weren't there necessarily, but I don't remember them.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on October 05, 2011, 03:34:55 PM
As a cast member, I've driven onto property many more times than I can count. The flashing lights were installed at the SR 536 / Epcot Center Dr entrance either in 2009 or 2010 if I remember correctly. There were signs in the past (with no flashing lights) that said No Stopping - Strictly Enforced as well as Emergency Stopping Only, and those are still there. The flashing lights were just added on top of them.

The entrance from Western Way (just off of SR 429 Exit 8 ) had flashing lights added too around this same timeframe. They had the signs as well.

I believe signs also exist at the World Dr and Osceola Pkwy entrances, but I'm not too sure about the flashing lights.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: J N Winkler on October 05, 2011, 03:51:35 PM
Quote from: realjd on October 05, 2011, 12:15:56 PMI've always wondered how Google got permission to do StreetView on KSC property. Just like on a military base, you'd think they wouldn't allow it due to security concerns or something.

It was probably arranged through the public affairs office, which probably also detailed someone to ride in the camera car.  When I worked at Goddard Space Flight Center it was perfectly possible for members of the general public to take tours but casual visitors had to enter at the main entrance on Greenbelt Road (not through, e.g., the employees-only entrance which has its own exit off the Baltimore-Washington Parkway) and wait for someone to show them around.  At other entrances there is a badge check and everyone in a car seeking entry has to show a badge.

Military bases work a little differently.  In my experience they control by the vehicle, not the occupant.  If you are regularly on a military base (e.g. as a soldier, a civilian DOD employee, or a retiree with commissary privileges), then you can get a windshield sticker which allows you to drive on the base.  The basic sticker has the DOD seal and a six-character code (three letters and three digits).  Officers (both serving and retired) also get a blue sticker with their rank insignia in white--eagle for a full colonel, star for a brigadier general, and so on.

For civilians without a DOD connection entry is not so straightforward, but bases in general are not as buttoned-down now as they were in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.  When I visited Fort Huachuca in Arizona about eighteen months ago, I was in a borrowed car and had to stop just outside the base entrance to obtain a vehicle permit.  To do this I had to show both my driver's license and the vehicle registration.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on October 05, 2011, 05:27:51 PM
Quote from: Ace10 on October 05, 2011, 03:34:55 PM
I believe signs also exist at the World Dr and Osceola Pkwy entrances, but I'm not too sure about the flashing lights.

Yes, the flashing lights are also there. We visit Disney World roughly 3-4 times a year, and we usually take the Oceola Parkway, and World Drive on occassion. In all my visits over the years, only once have I seen a family get out of their car and pose by the entrance sign. My guess is that Disney's crack legal squad suggested it, since its their roads on thier property.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on October 05, 2011, 05:40:32 PM
Quote from: formulanone on October 05, 2011, 05:27:51 PMYes, the flashing lights are also there. We visit Disney World roughly 3-4 times a year, and we usually take the Oceola Parkway, and World Drive on occassion. In all my visits over the years, only once have I seen a family get out of their car and pose by the entrance sign. My guess is that Disney's crack legal squad suggested it, since its their roads on thier property.

As far as the stopping restrictions, it's a tough call. All entrances are pretty much expressway-grade, if not freeway-grade, but I doubt there's any real legislation on the books for limiting who can stop on the shoulder and under what circumstances. I believe the roads are technically owned by the Reedy Creek Improvement District, a local government agency, and not actually privately-owned by Disney. But of course, especially working there, Disney tries to dish out lots of rules that have little to no legal backing, so I doubt they'd actually press charges if one were to stop near the welcome sign.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 05, 2011, 06:29:01 PM
Quote from: Ace10 on October 05, 2011, 05:40:32 PM
Quote from: formulanone on October 05, 2011, 05:27:51 PMYes, the flashing lights are also there. We visit Disney World roughly 3-4 times a year, and we usually take the Oceola Parkway, and World Drive on occassion. In all my visits over the years, only once have I seen a family get out of their car and pose by the entrance sign. My guess is that Disney's crack legal squad suggested it, since its their roads on thier property.

As far as the stopping restrictions, it's a tough call. All entrances are pretty much expressway-grade, if not freeway-grade, but I doubt there's any real legislation on the books for limiting who can stop on the shoulder and under what circumstances. I believe the roads are technically owned by the Reedy Creek Improvement District, a local government agency, and not actually privately-owned by Disney. But of course, especially working there, Disney tries to dish out lots of rules that have little to no legal backing, so I doubt they'd actually press charges if one were to stop near the welcome sign.

How's the speed enforcement there? Ive heard rumors of FHP clocking folks on the wide, too-slow Disney freeways, but I can't imagine Disney would be very happy about that.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 05, 2011, 06:32:56 PM
Quote from: Ace10 on October 05, 2011, 05:40:32 PM
As far as the stopping restrictions, it's a tough call. All entrances are pretty much expressway-grade, if not freeway-grade, but I doubt there's any real legislation on the books for limiting who can stop on the shoulder and under what circumstances. I believe the roads are technically owned by the Reedy Creek Improvement District, a local government agency, and not actually privately-owned by Disney. But of course, especially working there, Disney tries to dish out lots of rules that have little to no legal backing, so I doubt they'd actually press charges if one were to stop near the welcome sign.
Local government agencies post signs prohibiting stopping/standing/parking all the time. Why would RCID be any different?

Quote from: realjd on October 05, 2011, 06:29:01 PM
How's the speed enforcement there? Ive heard rumors of FHP clocking folks on the wide, too-slow Disney freeways, but I can't imagine Disney would be very happy about that.
If Disney had a problem with it they would raise the speed limits.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 05, 2011, 06:35:34 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on October 05, 2011, 03:51:35 PM
Quote from: realjd on October 05, 2011, 12:15:56 PMI've always wondered how Google got permission to do StreetView on KSC property. Just like on a military base, you'd think they wouldn't allow it due to security concerns or something.

It was probably arranged through the public affairs office, which probably also detailed someone to ride in the camera car.  When I worked at Goddard Space Flight Center it was perfectly possible for members of the general public to take tours but casual visitors had to enter at the main entrance on Greenbelt Road (not through, e.g., the employees-only entrance which has its own exit off the Baltimore-Washington Parkway) and wait for someone to show them around.  At other entrances there is a badge check and everyone in a car seeking entry has to show a badge.

Military bases work a little differently.  In my experience they control by the vehicle, not the occupant.  If you are regularly on a military base (e.g. as a soldier, a civilian DOD employee, or a retiree with commissary privileges), then you can get a windshield sticker which allows you to drive on the base.  The basic sticker has the DOD seal and a six-character code (three letters and three digits).  Officers (both serving and retired) also get a blue sticker with their rank insignia in white--eagle for a full colonel, star for a brigadier general, and so on.

For civilians without a DOD connection entry is not so straightforward, but bases in general are not as buttoned-down now as they were in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.  When I visited Fort Huachuca in Arizona about eighteen months ago, I was in a borrowed car and had to stop just outside the base entrance to obtain a vehicle permit.  To do this I had to show both my driver's license and the vehicle registration.

Military bases have been doing 100% ID checks since 9/11. The Air Force doesn't even issue vehicle passes anymore; they issue guest passes per person. In my experience as a civilian, getting onto a normal Army post is still straightforward with just a DL needed, plus a vehicle guest pass depending on the time of day and the post (but often not required). It's very different than it used to be.

I don't think KSC lets people in without a cape badge anymore, even escorted, but I'm not completely positive on that.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on October 05, 2011, 06:42:59 PM
Quote from: realjd on October 05, 2011, 06:29:01 PMHow's the speed enforcement there? Ive heard rumors of FHP clocking folks on the wide, too-slow Disney freeways, but I can't imagine Disney would be very happy about that.

I've seen OSCO (Orange County Sheriff's Office, but never FHP) out there on occasion, almost always at the SR 536 / Epcot Center Dr entrance. I've seen maybe one or two cars pulled over from all the times I've driven onto property. Max speed limit on Disney property is 50, but the speed is higher once on SR 536 (55 mph there). I frequently go 60 and even as fast as 70, but I do realize why the speed limit is lower: almost no one knows where they're going! And Disney isn't the best at signing destinations or directions.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on October 05, 2011, 06:44:34 PM
Quote from: NE2 on October 05, 2011, 06:32:56 PMLocal government agencies post signs prohibiting stopping/standing/parking all the time. Why would RCID be any different?

Disney / RCID has the right to post whatever sign it wants (within reason), but since Disney nor RCID has a police force, I don't know how willing OSCO would be to cite people for stopping when a sign specifically told them not to.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 05, 2011, 06:50:40 PM
The Google van was turned around at the NASA Parkway gate (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=cocoa,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.526057,-80.670719&spn=0.033709,0.082397&hnear=Cocoa,+Brevard,+Florida&gl=us&t=m&z=15&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.52606,-80.670547&panoid=dnN9pcbielIIm-ynYEhjYA&cbp=12,82.41,,0,12.47) but, for whatever reason, allowed to continue through on Kennedy Parkway. It seems that they went to the end of Saturn Causeway (one would assume they had an area permit to pass here (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=cocoa,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.597183,-80.616903&spn=0.033686,0.082397&hnear=Cocoa,+Brevard,+Florida&gl=us&t=k&z=15&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.597138,-80.617015&panoid=nscMNbsInMJPxscZY7GZqg&cbp=12,46.99,,0,9.09)) and turned around (based on photos from both sides of the centerline) but perhaps only southbound on what Google calls Crawlerway.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 05, 2011, 06:51:52 PM
Quote from: Ace10 on October 05, 2011, 06:44:34 PM
Disney / RCID has the right to post whatever sign it wants (within reason), but since Disney nor RCID has a police force, I don't know how willing OSCO would be to cite people for stopping when a sign specifically told them not to.
Presumably the contract with OCSO covers this.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: J N Winkler on October 05, 2011, 06:55:55 PM
Quote from: realjd on October 05, 2011, 06:35:34 PMMilitary bases have been doing 100% ID checks since 9/11. The Air Force doesn't even issue vehicle passes anymore; they issue guest passes per person.

At least they let civilians onto air bases now--when I tried to visit the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs in 2003, I was politely refused entry.

P.S.  I just checked and there is no StreetView coverage at all within the GSFC campus--coverage continues all the way up to the guard booths and then stops.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on October 05, 2011, 07:57:45 PM
Quote from: NE2 on October 05, 2011, 06:51:52 PMPresumably the contract with OCSO covers this.

Probably. I keep meaning to visit the RCID building on Hotel Plaza Blvd to see where RCID's property lines end and Disney's begin. It would be good to know who has actual jurisdiction over the roads.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 05, 2011, 08:36:20 PM
Quote from: Ace10 on October 05, 2011, 07:57:45 PM
Probably. I keep meaning to visit the RCID building on Hotel Plaza Blvd to see where RCID's property lines end and Disney's begin. It would be good to know who has actual jurisdiction over the roads.
Don't bother; they'll charge you for the time it takes to do the research. http://paarcgis.ocpafl.org/Webmap1/default.aspx (Orange) and http://ira.property-appraiser.org/PropertySearch/ (Osceola) do a good job of showing who owns what.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on October 05, 2011, 08:43:44 PM
Quote from: NE2 on October 05, 2011, 08:36:20 PMDon't bother; they'll charge you for the time it takes to do the research. http://paarcgis.ocpafl.org/Webmap1/default.aspx (Orange) and http://ira.property-appraiser.org/PropertySearch/ (Osceola) do a good job of showing who owns what.

Hmmmm, interesting. Thanks for the links. I found a map of the lines somewhere but I have no idea where to find it now.

Quick off-topic question: Do Departments of Transportation normally charge for records requests like these? Like, for instance, to find maps of old alignments of routes. I see others mention that they go to DOTs to do the research, and I'm curious if the DOT charges for access to that information or not.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on October 05, 2011, 08:47:50 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on October 05, 2011, 06:55:55 PMAt least they let civilians onto air bases now--when I tried to visit the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs in 2003, I was politely refused entry.

Most of my experience has been with Keesler AFB in Biloxi, MS. I'd always stop and have my ID checked (I am (was) a military dependent). My vehicle never had a sticker, but I do remember my parents' vehicles having stickers, though they did fall out of use.

The only other AFB I visited was Patrick near Cocoa Beach. Same procedure - though I was the passenger, and the driver had no military affiliation. Technically we were both civilians, even though I had a dependent military ID card.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on October 05, 2011, 09:02:15 PM
On KSC you don't get past the Visitor Center on the NASA Causeway without a badge.  If you need to get on you have to go to the Badging Center and get a temporary badge-and you still have to be vouched for by someone there.

When I worked there, if you forgot your badge you had to go to the Badging Center and get a temporary badge that was good for one day, technically known as a 'machine pass"...on my job we would refer to you as a "robot" if you showed up with one...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 05, 2011, 09:13:35 PM
Quote from: Ace10 on October 05, 2011, 08:43:44 PM
Hmmmm, interesting. Thanks for the links. I found a map of the lines somewhere but I have no idea where to find it now.
http://www.rcid.org/PDF/political%20jurisdiction%20map.base05_11.pdf also shows who owns what.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: J N Winkler on October 05, 2011, 09:30:52 PM
Quote from: Ace10 on October 05, 2011, 08:43:44 PMQuick off-topic question: Do Departments of Transportation normally charge for records requests like these? Like, for instance, to find maps of old alignments of routes. I see others mention that they go to DOTs to do the research, and I'm curious if the DOT charges for access to that information or not.

It varies from DOT to DOT.  Typically the access a member of the general public gets is either a matter of courtesy or is granted under the state open-records statute.  Most open-records laws allow, but do not require, cost recovery, and this gives DOTs considerable latitude in developing their own policies with regard to charging for access to records.  In my experience "Don't push your luck and you probably won't have to pay" holds true for a good many DOTs, but there are a few which are positively nasty--"We will need to look up these records, and you're going to have to pay us $X per hour," then, "If you want to look at these records, you're going to have to pay $Y an hour for a member of staff to supervise you," etc.

This said, a few general observations can be made:

*  If you want to inspect documents in person and they are relatively easy to retrieve, normally a charge won't be made.  It is courteous to ask for permission before taking digital camera copies of originals (unless posted policies say explicitly that it is allowed); I would be very surprised if it were ever refused.

*  If you want copies, you can expect to pay for paper copies at whatever the DOT considers to be its standard reprographic rates (this is true for, e.g., copies of old county maps made from Mylar originals, which I got at NMDOT a number of years ago).

*  If the document you want has been scanned or otherwise exists electronically, you may have to pay for a CD or DVD copy if the DOT has to supply the optical media.  You may be able to avoid this if you supply the media yourself, or if it is possible to transfer the data online (e.g. through FTP upload, an in-house file-hosting service, or even email if the document is small enough).

In terms of supports, at a DOT you can expect to find records on ordinary paper, drafting linen, various types of blueprint/whiteprint paper, Mylar, and microfilm (reels, sheets, aperture cards, etc.).  Some (almost certainly not all) of these will have been scanned at one time or another, producing images in varying formats, with TIFF and JPEG (in that order) being the most popular, and PDF widely and increasingly used as a container format.  XPS is also starting to appear but has not yet broken through.  For records "born digital" (created in a CAD or office productivity program), source files and PDF plots or prints may also be available.

The basic procedure is to identify the type of record you are interested in and then talk with the custodian for those records to determine what is feasible in terms of copying, scanning, inspection in person, etc.  If the records you are interested in are especially old, like route maps of state highways designated in the 1920's, you will also need to look at the DOT's and the state government's records retention policy.  Most states require that records over a certain age which are no longer in current use be turned over to a state archives agency, where they are kept and made available to researchers in a publicly accessible reading room.  DOTs tend to guard their construction plans jealously since in principle a 1910's bridge plan can be pulled out for a rehab job in 2011, but most of the planning and policy documentation tends to be shipped off to archives.

Some state DOTs are starting to make certain records available online through document management systems with Web interfaces.  MnDOT does this with survey maps and construction plans, and GDOT does it with construction plans.  This is not something that has broken through yet, however, partly because the systems that have so far been tried have not scaled very well.  Other state DOTs have "here today, gone tomorrow" models of document provision--for example, Alabama DOT puts highway construction plans online up until the date of letting, after which they vanish and then you pay $3/sheet if you want extracts of anything.  Personally I try to do what I can online, generally by mining the document management systems I have access to and also making damn sure I have my own private archive of the fly-by-night material.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 05, 2011, 10:14:10 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on October 05, 2011, 09:30:52 PM
but there are a few which are positively nasty--"We will need to look up these records, and you're going to have to pay us $X per hour," then, "If you want to look at these records, you're going to have to pay $Y an hour for a member of staff to supervise you," etc.
Yep - this is what RCID told me when I wanted to get copies of their ordinances.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 05, 2011, 11:07:21 PM
Quote from: NE2 on October 05, 2011, 06:50:40 PM
The Google van was turned around at the NASA Parkway gate (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=cocoa,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.526057,-80.670719&spn=0.033709,0.082397&hnear=Cocoa,+Brevard,+Florida&gl=us&t=m&z=15&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.52606,-80.670547&panoid=dnN9pcbielIIm-ynYEhjYA&cbp=12,82.41,,0,12.47) but, for whatever reason, allowed to continue through on Kennedy Parkway. It seems that they went to the end of Saturn Causeway (one would assume they had an area permit to pass here (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=cocoa,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.597183,-80.616903&spn=0.033686,0.082397&hnear=Cocoa,+Brevard,+Florida&gl=us&t=k&z=15&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.597138,-80.617015&panoid=nscMNbsInMJPxscZY7GZqg&cbp=12,46.99,,0,9.09)) and turned around (based on photos from both sides of the centerline) but perhaps only southbound on what Google calls Crawlerway.

They couldn't go too far east because it becomes Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. It's a shame because I'd love to see some of those roads by the abandoned pads. I need to break down and take the pay tour at the KSC visitor center of the historic pads.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 05, 2011, 11:12:33 PM
Quote from: Ace10 on October 05, 2011, 06:42:59 PM
Quote from: realjd on October 05, 2011, 06:29:01 PMHow's the speed enforcement there? Ive heard rumors of FHP clocking folks on the wide, too-slow Disney freeways, but I can't imagine Disney would be very happy about that.

I've seen OSCO (Orange County Sheriff's Office, but never FHP) out there on occasion, almost always at the SR 536 / Epcot Center Dr entrance. I've seen maybe one or two cars pulled over from all the times I've driven onto property. Max speed limit on Disney property is 50, but the speed is higher once on SR 536 (55 mph there). I frequently go 60 and even as fast as 70, but I do realize why the speed limit is lower: almost no one knows where they're going! And Disney isn't the best at signing destinations or directions.

It's always frustrating how slow people drive there, even if I do understand why. And I'll admit it's one of the few places where I end up driving like a dick, weaving through the sea of rental cars and out of state minivans.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: codyg1985 on October 06, 2011, 07:29:01 AM
Quote from: J N Winkler on October 05, 2011, 03:51:35 PM
Quote from: realjd on October 05, 2011, 12:15:56 PMI've always wondered how Google got permission to do StreetView on KSC property. Just like on a military base, you'd think they wouldn't allow it due to security concerns or something.

It was probably arranged through the public affairs office, which probably also detailed someone to ride in the camera car.  When I worked at Goddard Space Flight Center it was perfectly possible for members of the general public to take tours but casual visitors had to enter at the main entrance on Greenbelt Road (not through, e.g., the employees-only entrance which has its own exit off the Baltimore-Washington Parkway) and wait for someone to show them around.  At other entrances there is a badge check and everyone in a car seeking entry has to show a badge.

Military bases work a little differently.  In my experience they control by the vehicle, not the occupant.  If you are regularly on a military base (e.g. as a soldier, a civilian DOD employee, or a retiree with commissary privileges), then you can get a windshield sticker which allows you to drive on the base.  The basic sticker has the DOD seal and a six-character code (three letters and three digits).  Officers (both serving and retired) also get a blue sticker with their rank insignia in white--eagle for a full colonel, star for a brigadier general, and so on.

For civilians without a DOD connection entry is not so straightforward, but bases in general are not as buttoned-down now as they were in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.  When I visited Fort Huachuca in Arizona about eighteen months ago, I was in a borrowed car and had to stop just outside the base entrance to obtain a vehicle permit.  To do this I had to show both my driver's license and the vehicle registration.

The decal requirement is being waived in lieu of badges for DoD installations (at least here on Redstone Arsenal here in Huntsville). NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center is entirely within the Army's Redstone Arsenal, so security and access onto MSFC is governed by DoD. There isn't any Google Street View on Redstone or MSFC.

Quote from: realjd on October 05, 2011, 11:07:21 PM
Quote from: NE2 on October 05, 2011, 06:50:40 PM
The Google van was turned around at the NASA Parkway gate (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=cocoa,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.526057,-80.670719&spn=0.033709,0.082397&hnear=Cocoa,+Brevard,+Florida&gl=us&t=m&z=15&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.52606,-80.670547&panoid=dnN9pcbielIIm-ynYEhjYA&cbp=12,82.41,,0,12.47) but, for whatever reason, allowed to continue through on Kennedy Parkway. It seems that they went to the end of Saturn Causeway (one would assume they had an area permit to pass here (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=cocoa,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.597183,-80.616903&spn=0.033686,0.082397&hnear=Cocoa,+Brevard,+Florida&gl=us&t=k&z=15&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.597138,-80.617015&panoid=nscMNbsInMJPxscZY7GZqg&cbp=12,46.99,,0,9.09)) and turned around (based on photos from both sides of the centerline) but perhaps only southbound on what Google calls Crawlerway.

They couldn't go too far east because it becomes Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. It's a shame because I'd love to see some of those roads by the abandoned pads. I need to break down and take the pay tour at the KSC visitor center of the historic pads.

I think if you gain access to KSC with a regular NASA badge then you can drive onto the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. There isn't a gate separating the two. I assume that if you get a badge at the KSC Badging Center then you could get onto the air force station.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 06, 2011, 07:43:49 AM
Quote from: codyg1985 on October 06, 2011, 07:29:01 AM
I think if you gain access to KSC with a regular NASA badge then you can drive onto the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. There isn't a gate separating the two. I assume that if you get a badge at the KSC Badging Center then you could get onto the air force station.

No gate doesn't necessarily mean access isn't restricted. There are many places on Air Force bases where you can drive right onto the flight line, but they tend to frown on that. They will often just restrict it with a sign. Regardless, as an active Air Force installation, I'm not surprised that Google didn't get permission to film on CCAFS land.

I've been to Redstone. For obvious reasons, it has one of the more restrictive access policies I've encountered.

Still, that place looks awesome:
http://www.16streets.com/MacLaren/Travel%20and%20Surfing/CapeCanaveralAugust2010/AbandonInPlaceContents.html
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: codyg1985 on October 06, 2011, 08:04:32 AM
Quote from: realjd on October 06, 2011, 07:43:49 AM
Quote from: codyg1985 on October 06, 2011, 07:29:01 AM
I think if you gain access to KSC with a regular NASA badge then you can drive onto the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. There isn't a gate separating the two. I assume that if you get a badge at the KSC Badging Center then you could get onto the air force station.

No gate doesn't necessarily mean access isn't restricted. There are many places on Air Force bases where you can drive right onto the flight line, but they tend to frown on that. They will often just restrict it with a sign. Regardless, as an active Air Force installation, I'm not surprised that Google didn't get permission to film on CCAFS land.

I've been to Redstone. For obvious reasons, it has one of the more restrictive access policies I've encountered.

Still, that place looks awesome:
http://www.16streets.com/MacLaren/Travel%20and%20Surfing/CapeCanaveralAugust2010/AbandonInPlaceContents.html

One time when I had a training class at KSC and we stayed in Cocoa Beach it was more convenient to drive through CCAFS to get to Cocoa Beach via FL 401. This route took us right through the center of CCAFS.

It is surprising to me that KSC allowed the Google Maps people to get street view leading up to the pads. Even if you have a badge to get onto a NASA center access to the roads leading to the pads are limited. They probably had an escort.

Apparently they even allowed them close to the pad when a shuttle was on the pad! http://maps.google.com/?ll=28.604203,-80.60397&spn=0.015127,0.01929&t=h&z=16&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.604203,-80.60397&panoid=9MlssYBqGKhghrT4c29jdg&cbp=12,16.12,,0,3.1
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on October 06, 2011, 09:13:58 AM
Thanks NE2 and JN for all that useful information. Greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on October 06, 2011, 12:50:31 PM
QuoteI think if you gain access to KSC with a regular NASA badge then you can drive onto the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. There isn't a gate separating the two. I assume that if you get a badge at the KSC Badging Center then you could get onto the air force station.

Yes, you can.  I've done it more than a few times.  Most of the areas inside CCAFS also have their own security around certain areas (pads 17/40/41, Titan Assembly, etc.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 07, 2011, 05:53:02 AM
Has anybody heard anything about US-90 Alt being extended along Atlantic Blvd (FL-10) in Jacksonville all the way over to FL-A1A? :hmmm:

I just downloaded the most recent GIS data from FDOT (10-01-11), and they showed it extended all the way to A1A and back to US-90 and extended farther South.

I'm thinking this is an error, but just wanted to put this out there in case it's true.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on October 07, 2011, 11:03:15 AM
The button copy BGS for Yamato Road on I-95 north has been replaced with a new one. All they needed to do was to patch the faded state route shield, but they took the more expensive way out...double-plus uncool.

Edit: here's the photo.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FYamatoBGSnoBC.jpg&hash=085d36fedd91a56112371caac450b8e0a9e79a9d)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on October 07, 2011, 11:49:07 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 07, 2011, 05:53:02 AM
Has anybody heard anything about US-90 Alt being extended along Atlantic Blvd (FL-10) in Jacksonville all the way over to FL-A1A? :hmmm:

I just downloaded the most recent GIS data from FDOT (10-01-11), and they showed it extended all the way to A1A and back to US-90 and extended farther South.

I'm thinking this is an error, but just wanted to put this out there in case it's true.

It is not signed that way... ALT 90 is inconsistently signed from along Southside Blvd and Atlantic Blvd(SR 10) but not east of SR115 on Atlantic Blvd.. some maps have ALT 90 along the Arlington Expressway over the Matthews Bridge into downtown Jax... and there are random signs at different locations supporting this.

Fixed quote. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4000.0) - rmf67
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 07, 2011, 05:01:04 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on October 07, 2011, 11:49:07 AM
It is not signed that way... ALT 90 is inconsistently signed from along Southside Blvd and Atlantic Blvd(SR 10) but not east of SR115 on Atlantic Blvd.. some maps have ALT 90 along the Arlington Expressway over the Matthews Bridge into downtown Jax... and there are random signs at different locations supporting this.
Has signage become inconsistent in recent years? I remember it being signed consistently along SR 10 and SR 115, with both ends at US 90 (SR 212).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on October 07, 2011, 05:30:57 PM
I was on SR 10 a couple times back in July;  from 9A to A1A, it was strictly signed as SR 10.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on October 10, 2011, 01:07:39 PM
Quote from: formulanone on October 07, 2011, 05:30:57 PM
I was on SR 10 a couple times back in July;  from 9A to A1A, it was strictly signed as SR 10.
90ALT was signed on Atlantic and Soutside Blvds... at the itnersections its signed but not on the main part of Soutside Blvd( SR 115)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 10, 2011, 09:00:57 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on October 10, 2011, 01:07:39 PM
Quote from: formulanone on October 07, 2011, 05:30:57 PM
I was on SR 10 a couple times back in July;  from 9A to A1A, it was strictly signed as SR 10.
90ALT was signed on Atlantic and Soutside Blvds... at the itnersections its signed but not on the main part of Soutside Blvd( SR 115)
Has this sign (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=jacksonville,+fl&hl=en&ll=30.315437,-81.55889&spn=0.00414,0.0103&sll=42.157033,-71.730895&sspn=0.00711,0.020599&vpsrc=6&gl=us&hnear=Jacksonville,+Duval,+Florida&t=k&z=18&layer=c&cbll=30.315742,-81.558888&panoid=MKXQNMj-MfhPMzGPG-q8KA&cbp=12,186.8,,1,3) been removed?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on October 11, 2011, 01:17:48 AM
Some photos from a recent trip to Lake Placid and thereabouts...(maybe you've seen some of these before).

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FYamConLinExits.jpg&hash=029dee601beb12950badc06736fd3b598947fef7)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FLinAtlWoolExits-BCi95n.jpg&hash=ed0d271b1608b87744ebf6f197964b24cae85c50)

Got off at Gateway Boulevard and took this one from the ramp:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FHypoluxoLantnaS6AveExits.jpg&hash=c6942c1f8a85e2ae6c0c08cefaa34e82e1628711)

The gantry offered a nice bit of symmetry:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FGatewayBlvdGantry.jpg&hash=6a128cfbca2a3e96e10ffe7b9013e4d243ddfd19)

...Louder!
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FSR710bold.jpg&hash=37ca67395b8eba7cda417b59902e2f690489d72b)

An odd, one-piece county road sign. (Medium Green Sign?)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FCR609southSign.jpg&hash=390f60e3922cd78aef86527b3f378e81b040d765)

Cracker Trail:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FUS98CrackerTrailSigns.jpg&hash=0060948cc642b35742555161e71d63ab35c982af)

Shortly west of the junction of CR 721 and US 98, there's an old State Road Department Right-of-Way marker off the northern shoulder:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FSRD-RoW-Post98east.jpg&hash=96f5abccc4a1b513f1d5031fee54327a58822acb)

I wonder how old this one is? It's alongside a nature preserve, so hopefully it won't be disturbed.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FSRD-RoW-Post98.jpg&hash=2cdba22d7b1309277fd6484239decf769997ce25)

Still here since 1978...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FGreenUS27jctSgn78.jpg&hash=ef707f1692f9539573954c4b570656f503242ca7)

...and 1981 for this assembly (minus the arrows).
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FGreenUS27signs.jpg&hash=8e794440ef7ac64df920244e5d5a6f0943ac0965)

Further up the road couple of miles is this shiny example (I'm partially reflected in the divided highway arrows) with an interesting golden patina (forgot to check the date on this one):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FGreenUS27TwinArrow.jpg&hash=4b4ca347c1fabb2966024e6ed6dba3a62c405e5a)

This was definitely a city-installed job...Bauhaus font and lime green!
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FNeonGreenSignMooreHaven.jpg&hash=c45b200d11c67333cad0bc0fc7f4cd873d4b2499)

I've seen C-prefixed, and CR-prefixed county route signs, but this might be the first E-prefixed one. Probably to denote that CR 833 is changing from north/south to east/west for a few miles, and then returning back to its regular orientation.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FE833%2BCR846signs5.jpg&hash=22a0312f09374e9099c5e1e8d48ae738f377d5bb)

Nobody knows what to do with CR 880, since it stopped being SR 80...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FUS880to27signs.jpg&hash=dd96d8dc61c04c4cc2a536b01a5c626ff1dbda75)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FCR880westSign-Shorty.jpg&hash=03a86ef16ef7cd4308543dc032458c6bfab295c1)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 11, 2011, 09:08:32 AM
Sweet pictures, thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 11, 2011, 11:16:06 AM
I believe the missing sign on the US-27 gantry is a state route 17.

for a while, it was the shield gallery's 404 page.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on October 11, 2011, 11:39:46 AM
You could put an SR or CR 17 sign any where in Polk or Highlands County, and you'll eventually find the road in 5 minutes or less...   :crazy:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on October 11, 2011, 08:14:32 PM
That E-833 sign is nuts [I've always wanted to explore down there]. Guess it's the counterpart to Citrus County's 44W. Nice to see Palm Beach County is getting its ideas from Walton County.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on October 11, 2011, 08:42:57 PM
That E-833 county shield was also signed for reassurance on that stretch. Unfortunately, I didn't think to check for a W-833 sign going the other way.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FECR833sign.jpg&hash=3e9a34197919481229d1db99581a09f6afecd595)

It's not the prettiest nor most entertaining area of the state, but it makes up for it in weirdness and desolation. And agriculture.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on October 11, 2011, 10:42:54 PM
I like how those roads are in the desolation down there, as if there was meant to be more.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on October 15, 2011, 01:54:30 PM
Is US 27 still the main non tolled Truck Route for Truckers heading to South Florida?

I remember back in the 90s truckers would exit the FL Turnpike near Clermont and follow US 27 all the way down to Miami to avoid the tolls.  I-95 can get too congested, and I-75 heads way out to the west, so this is the logical way considering that US 27 is four lanes, and has many cities with full service facilities.

I was wondering if that still is the case nowadays? Since 2000 many traffic signals and speed reductions have take place along US 27 between Lake Wales and Leesburg.  Back in 2000 there were NO LIGHTS from I-4 to the Florida Turnpike!  Now 11 years later, I cannot even count how many signals there are on that stretch, plus places that were once 65 mph are now 45 mph.

Do truckers still use that part of US 27, or are they caving it to using I-75  or I-95 because the results are the same?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 15, 2011, 02:22:12 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 15, 2011, 01:54:30 PMBack in 2000 there were NO LIGHTS from I-4 to the Florida Turnpike!
There were several at Mineola-Clermont even then.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on October 15, 2011, 02:32:20 PM
Maybe, I could be off by a few years!  I know for sure a lot were added since the 21st century started.  Most due to widening of US 27 that took place rather recent.

Minneola and Clermont started with transforming flashing beacons to signals.  Washington and Hook Streets were the first and CR 561 soon followed as being the first newly constructed signal.  It may have been in 98.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 13, 2011, 02:35:04 AM
It appears that the two-lane portion of SR 570 is gone (unless there are temporary ramps at the new Pace Road interchange): http://www.floridasturnpike.com/downloads/ConstructionUpdates/Updates%202011/110411%20Weekly%20Advisory%20C%20FL.pdf
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on November 14, 2011, 08:03:01 PM
Wekiva Parkway deal reached...could be complete by 2021 and cost up to $1.8 billion. Orange County Expressway Authority will own about six miles of the 25 mile loop within Orange and south Lake County while the state owning the remainder portion.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/os-expressway-board-snyder-20111114,0,716459.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/os-expressway-board-snyder-20111114,0,716459.story)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 15, 2011, 08:32:31 AM
Here you go you impatient jerks:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg577.imageshack.us%2Fimg577%2F6959%2Fphotonov1570823.jpg&hash=52e78f385118bbc15ea37ef965d524bb8cd9c91c) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/577/photonov1570823.jpg/)

Interesting that it says Viera. I would have chosen Patrick AFB as the second destination.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 15, 2011, 08:49:59 AM
Quote from: flaroads on November 14, 2011, 08:03:01 PM
Wekiva Parkway deal reached...could be complete by 2021 and cost up to $1.8 billion. Orange County Expressway Authority will own about six miles of the 25 mile loop within Orange and south Lake County while the state owning the remainder portion.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/os-expressway-board-snyder-20111114,0,716459.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/os-expressway-board-snyder-20111114,0,716459.story)

That's a much needed road for the Orlando area, but I'm a bit worried that they'll be able to do it in an environmentally safe manner. Thats area is very sensitive from an environmental standpoint.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on November 15, 2011, 10:13:18 AM
Quote from: realjd on November 15, 2011, 08:32:31 AM
Here you go you impatient jerks:

¡sʞuɐɥʇ

QuoteI would have chosen Patrick AFB as the second destination.

Air Force bases tend to be closed more often than entire cities, I suppose.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 15, 2011, 11:17:38 AM
Quote from: formulanone on November 15, 2011, 10:13:18 AM
Air Force bases tend to be closed more often than entire cities, I suppose.

The old Wickham Road exit signage was Satellite Beach and Patrick AFB IIRC, and Patrick is a major destination along the Pineda. Pineda doesn't go anywhere near Viera. If they wanted to sign an unincorporated master planned community, Suntree would have been more accurate. Even Merritt Island would have been more appropriate.

There are plans to extend Lake Andrew and potentially Stadium Pkwy south to intersect Pineda west of 95 which would provide southern access into Viera, but that's years from completion. I guess they were future-proofing the signage.

It's interesting that it's signed SR404 even though it isn't west of Wickham.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on November 15, 2011, 12:52:02 PM
Quote from: realjd on November 15, 2011, 11:17:38 AM
Quote from: formulanone on November 15, 2011, 10:13:18 AM
Air Force bases tend to be closed more often than entire cities, I suppose.

The old Wickham Road exit signage was Satellite Beach and Patrick AFB IIRC, and Patrick is a major destination along the Pineda. Pineda doesn't go anywhere near Viera. If they wanted to sign an unincorporated master planned community, Suntree would have been more accurate. Even Merritt Island would have been more appropriate.

There are plans to extend Lake Andrew and potentially Stadium Pkwy south to intersect Pineda west of 95 which would provide southern access into Viera, but that's years from completion. I guess they were future-proofing the signage.

It's interesting that it's signed SR404 even though it isn't west of Wickham.

I don't know who is designing those signs on I-95, but every time I see them I find myself going "must...not...use...fist...of...death..." :banghead:
Would it bother them to at least be consistent?

The two Palm Bay exit signs and the ones in Cocoa are the only ones that are graphically consistent...the rest makes me think the sign designer was either on a bender or incompetent. :crazy:

It's one of those "push big red button" items for me.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 15, 2011, 07:02:24 PM
Quote from: realjd on November 15, 2011, 08:49:59 AM
That's a much needed road for the Orlando area, but I'm a bit worried that they'll be able to do it in an environmentally safe manner. Thats area is very sensitive from an environmental standpoint.
Apparently it's being designed with long bridges for bears etc. to cross underneath, and the existing SR 46 will be removed in places. (The parkway will be free there.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on November 15, 2011, 08:53:33 PM
Yes! Using the existing ROW from SR 46 seems like the best idea, environment-wise.

Nice to see SR 404 make an appearance on I-95. Time to update my road data!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 15, 2011, 09:04:13 PM
They've had the recommended alternative up for a while: http://www.expresswayauthority.com/Corporate/oursystem/SR429/WekivaParkway.aspx?show=LatestRec
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 15, 2011, 09:58:28 PM
Quote from: Ace10 on November 15, 2011, 08:53:33 PM
Yes! Using the existing ROW from SR 46 seems like the best idea, environment-wise.

Nice to see SR 404 make an appearance on I-95. Time to update my road data!

Keep in mind that it isn't officially SR404 until east of Wickham Road. On the Pineda Extension it's signed "To 404" eastbound and "To I-95" westbound. If the guide signs were technically correct, they'd include the "to" modifier also, or maybe a Brevard County 404 instead (assuming the county assigned it a number).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 15, 2011, 10:04:24 PM
Does Brevard assign any numbers, or do they just let FDOT post shields at state road intersections? (FDOT hasn't given the extension a number as of June, though the piece from CR 509 to US 1 is CR 404.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on November 15, 2011, 10:38:20 PM
I dug up the FDOT Shapefiles (as of July 30 of this year) and it appears that the Road ID for SR 404 (70004000) terminates at Wickham Rd (CR 509), and the extension (which has a different ID, 70000402) continues on a different ROW past Wickham to I-95. The shapefiles also include the interchange with I-95 complete with ramps.

So just because the Road IDs are different doesn't mean SR 404 (the designation) won't be extended westward to I-95. It could also be the county road designation that gets applied, but I highly doubt that if *SR* 404 is already signed on the BGS's on I-95.

NE2, the road I mentioned above (70000402) exists from CR 509 (and beyond to I-95) to just west of the interchange with US 1. Is this signed as CR 404? The road above which terminates at CR 509 (and doesn't go any further, except to a residential area) is the original 70004000.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 16, 2011, 12:37:03 AM
Quote from: realjd on November 15, 2011, 08:32:31 AM
Here you go you impatient jerks:

[picture]

Interesting that it says Viera. I would have chosen Patrick AFB as the second destination.

Thanks for posting that.  Now I can add it to I-95's file over on the CHM site. :cool:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 16, 2011, 01:44:00 AM
Quote from: Ace10 on November 15, 2011, 10:38:20 PM
NE2, the road I mentioned above (70000402) exists from CR 509 (and beyond to I-95) to just west of the interchange with US 1. Is this signed as CR 404? The road above which terminates at CR 509 (and doesn't go any further, except to a residential area) is the original 70004000.
I haven't been over there in years. http://www.dot.state.fl.us/planning/statistics/fedaid/fedaidrpt.pdf (p. 134) has the new extension (including east of CR 509) and p. 135 has CR/SR 404. Not that there's any point in FDOT recognizing this as CR 404...

Google has Street View photos of the extension but not the I-95 ramps. Eastbound signage (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=melbourne,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.192953,-80.704708&spn=0.016907,0.041199&hnear=Melbourne,+Brevard,+Florida&gl=us&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.192937,-80.704846&panoid=hzGWMaKLl_mwz564kG5z9w&cbp=12,97.31,,1,0.21) can be interpreted as either SR 404 reassurance or a badly-installed trailblazer, and westbound has only I-95 signage. Signs on CR 509 only point SR 404 east (on what's officially unnumbered about halfway to US 1, then CR 404). CR 509 is not signed at all (Brevard doesn't seem to do any county road signage). Any of this, of course, may have changed since Google's photos.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 16, 2011, 04:22:59 AM
FDOT's video log is now online: http://www3.dot.state.fl.us/videolog/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on November 16, 2011, 07:05:01 AM
Quote from: NE2 on November 15, 2011, 10:04:24 PM
Does Brevard assign any numbers, or do they just let FDOT post shields at state road intersections? (FDOT hasn't given the extension a number as of June, though the piece from CR 509 to US 1 is CR 404.)

It's very sporadic signage. There are signs for CR 509 and CR 511 on US 192, but they're JCT assemblies. Then, there's CR 502 signed at the I-95/SR 519 interchange (NB off-ramp and SR 519 mainline), and CR 3 signed on both SR 404 and SR 518.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on November 30, 2011, 09:03:54 PM
I don't know if this has been covered yet, but I just discovered a major design flaw in the reconstruction of the I-295 interchange with Florida SR 21 and Collins Road:
http://www.i295florida.com/upload/documents/I295_Collins_Road_Schematic_Rev_Jan_2011.pdf
I don't know about the rest of you, but the east end of the C-D roads are a little too close to the interchange with US 17 for my tastes. Creates the potential for dangerous weaving, as we had with I-75 between I-275 and SR 56, and as we still have on Southern State Parkway between Robert Moses Causeway's north-to-east ramp, and the Sagtikos Parkway's east-to-north left exit.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 30, 2011, 09:53:36 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on November 30, 2011, 09:03:54 PM
I don't know if this has been covered yet, but I just discovered a major design flaw in the reconstruction of the I-295 interchange with Florida SR 21 and Collins Road:
http://www.i295florida.com/upload/documents/I295_Collins_Road_Schematic_Rev_Jan_2011.pdf
I don't know about the rest of you, but the east end of the C-D roads are a little too close to the interchange with US 17 for my tastes. Creates the potential for dangerous weaving, as we had with I-75 between I-275 and SR 56, and as we still have on Southern State Parkway between Robert Moses Causeway's north-to-east ramp, and the Sagtikos Parkway's east-to-north left exit.

I could see them doing something similar to what they did in NC with the NC-115 interchange on I-85 with it being so close to I-74/US-311.

http://g.co/maps/nwccc

That would eliminate any weaving problems.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 30, 2011, 10:05:02 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on November 30, 2011, 09:03:54 PM
I don't know if this has been covered yet, but I just discovered a major design flaw in the reconstruction of the I-295 interchange with Florida SR 21 and Collins Road:
http://www.i295florida.com/upload/documents/I295_Collins_Road_Schematic_Rev_Jan_2011.pdf
I just discovered that the moon landing was actually footage of a Mars landing from the 1940s.

Quote from: D-Dey65 on November 30, 2011, 09:03:54 PM
I don't know about the rest of you, but the east end of the C-D roads are a little too close to the interchange with US 17 for my tastes.
How close are they? The schematic doesn't label distances.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on November 30, 2011, 11:10:25 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 30, 2011, 10:05:02 PM
I just discovered that the moon landing was actually footage of a Mars landing from the 1940s.

nah dude, that was all faked in 1929 on a soundstage on Neptune.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Takumi on November 30, 2011, 11:32:41 PM
Jake, that was totally a hoax. Neptune didn't have soundstages until 1932.

*crickets*
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on November 30, 2011, 11:40:28 PM
Quote from: Takumi on November 30, 2011, 11:32:41 PM
Jake, that was totally a hoax. Neptune didn't have soundstages until 1932.

*crickets*

that's what they'd like you to believe.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 06, 2011, 08:38:50 PM
Got a reply from FDOT Region #2 yesterday;

QuoteI appreciate your comments.  The Department's schematic diagram that you referenced in your below e-mail is a little misleading due to the scale.  The attached Signing and Pavement Marking Plans for the section of I-295 between the US 17 and Blanding Interchanges gives a more accurate representation of the proposed lane configuration and geometry.  

The minimum required entrance / exit ramp spacing is 1600'.  Traveling from the Blanding Interchange to the US 17 Interchange, there is approximately 5200' between the Collector Distributor Road on-ramp and the US 17 off-ramp.  Traveling from the US 17 Interchange to the Blanding Interchange, there is approximately 1800' between the US 17 on-ramp and the Collector Distributor Road off-ramp.

To help mitigate weaving issues in the vicinity of the US 17 Interchange, the Department will construct auxiliary lanes in each direction as shown in the attachment.

Please let me know if you have additional comments or need additional information.

Thank you for your interest in this project.

Will Lyons
Florida Department of Transportation - District 2
Consultant Project Management - MS 2804
2198 Edison Ave., Jacksonville, FL, 32204-2730
So it's not as bad as the map suggests, but it's not that great. Unfortunatley the only things I remember about it are from my road trips to New York City & Long Island.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 06, 2011, 09:05:28 PM
Mind posting a screen shot of the said attachment? ;)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 07, 2011, 02:02:31 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on December 06, 2011, 09:05:28 PM
Mind posting a screen shot of the said attachment? ;)
I have the link at my previous message on this issue. If I can't find a way to convert a PDF file into a JPG, you're going to have to settle for that.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 07, 2011, 02:13:00 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on December 07, 2011, 02:02:31 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on December 06, 2011, 09:05:28 PM
Mind posting a screen shot of the said attachment? ;)
I have the link at my previous message on this issue. If I can't find a way to convert a PDF file into a JPG, you're going to have to settle for that.


Oh, I thought they sent you a new file showing a close up of the US-17 area of the project as the line below suggested.
QuoteTo help mitigate weaving issues in the vicinity of the US 17 Interchange, the Department will construct auxiliary lanes in each direction as shown in the attachment.

My bad.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 17, 2012, 03:15:57 PM
If anyone's interested, here's a list of truck restrictions from FDOT:
Quote
Our offices have compiled the information you requested below. Please feel free to contact us with any additional questions you may have. Thank you again for your patience while we researched information regarding your request.



The Districts report regulations restricting truck-traffic.  The Interstate lane restricts are not included in this list:


District 1

Route   Roadway ID   County   Begin M.P.   Local Street Name   End M.P.    Local Street Name   
SR 655   16120000   Polk   0   SR 555/ US 17   1.179   SR 620   
SR 17   0903001   Highlands   0   SR 35/ U.S. 27   1.058   Kenilworth Blvd.   
SR 17   09040000   Highlands   0   Kenilworth Blvd.   3.068   Arbuckle Creek Road   
SR 17   09040000   Highlands   9.396   SR 35/ U.S. 27   11.147   CR-17A   


District 2

Gainesville
-             SR 25 (US 441) from SR 331 to SR 222
-             SR 121 from SR 331 to SR 222
-             SR 24 from I-75 to SR 331
-             SR 226 from SR 24 to SR 331
-             SR 26 from I-75 to SR 331
-             SR 26A
-             SR 20 from SR 222 to SR 331

Lake City
-             SR 10A (Baya Ave)
-             SR 25A (US 441) from US 41/441 to CR 100A

Perry 
-             US 221 from SR 55 (US 19) to Ash Street






District 3

No through traffic restrictions

Arterial lane restriction: US 27 through Havana -- Trucks must use inside lane.



District 4

County   Section   State Road/Local Name   Type of Restriction
Palm Beach   93040   SR 5/US 1 at Bridge # 930087 and # 930117 over FEC Canal Jupiter   Special Weight Restriction 31 Tons Maximum
Martin   89095   SR 9/I95   Lane Restriction for Trucks/Weigh Stations
Broward   86000   SR A1A @ Bayview Drive   Special Weight Restriction 37 Tons Maximum
Broward   860061 (Bridge)   SR 838 (Sunrise) over Middle River    Special Weight Restriction 37 Tons Maximum
St. Lucie   94070   SR 68 (Orange Avenue at Copenhaver Road/Lamont road) aprox. SLDMP 17.821   Trucks No U Turn Restriction
St. Lucie   94030   SR 7 (Okeechobee Road) at Carlton Road/CR 613   Weight Restriction to be posted SR 70
Palm Beach   93040   SR 5/US 1 at Bridge #930117 (SB) & Bridge # 9830087 (NB)   Weight Restriction on Approaches of SR A1A, 5, 706, 811 & CR 7070
Palm Beach   93120   SR 80 (Southern Boulevard)   No Thru Trucks for Flagler Drive
Palm Beach   93100   SR 25 (US 27)   No Thru Trucks for NW 1st Street
Palm Beach   93100   SR 25 (US 27) (Miami Canal Bridge)   Legal Weight Trucks Only
Palm Beach   93080   SR A1A (N. Ocean Drive), SR 5 (US 1) from SR 708 (Blue Heron Blvd.) to SR 786 (PGA Blvd.)   Blue Heron Small Bridge Detour
Palm Beach   93080   SR A1A (N. Ocean Blvd.) for Bridge # 930194 (Tidal Relief Canal)   Special Weight Restriction 28 Tons Maximum
Palm Beach   93001   SR 786 (Prosperity/Farms Rd. to Center City)   Trucks Restricted Bridge 26 - 34 Tons
Palm Beach   93080   SR A1A (Tree Village to Twelve Oaks)   Trucks Restricted Bridge 26 - 34 Tons
Palm Beach   93020   SR 5/US 1 (25th Street to 34th Street)   Trucks Restricted Bridge 26 - 34 Tons
Palm Beach   93040   SR 5/US 1 (Mariner Ct. to Shoppes of Oakbrook)   Trucks Restricted Bridge 26 - 34 Tons
Palm Beach   93270   SR 7 Extension - from Okeechobee Blvd. to Persimmon Blvd.   No Through Truck Routes
Palm Beach   Varies   SR 15/SR 80/US 98/US 441/SR 715/SR 700 Pahokee Truck Route   Truck Route/Truck By Pass


District 5
NONE



District 6
1.    Miami Dade: SR 997/Krome (4/10 mile) and US 1 South Dixie Hwy (2/10 mile) and continuing through 
Monroe County: US 1/Overseas Highway to Key West
Restriction:  Blanket Permits — Overweight/ Over 12 feet wide VOID beyond this point.

2.    SR 934/79th St WB @ North Bayshore Drive:  Truck traffic is restricted on SR 934 WB/ NE 82nd St., must use SR 934/NE 79th Street.



District 7

NONE

Within District 7 :  SR 590 through Safety Harbor.  The state transferred 2.221 miles of SR 590 to Safety Harbor in 1995.  Trucks are restricted from using the city-controlled section.  The Department posts NO THROUGH TRUCKS on either side to offer truckers an opportunity to find another route.  It is not a Department regulation.


Comment:


Truck routes can be designated to be used for the expeditious and convenient movement of farm tractors, trailers, semi-trailers, trucks and other commercial vehicular traffic.  Notice is given by means of appropriate signs placed along such streets.  Truck route designation does not imply that the through route is restricted to these vehicles.


Veronica "Ronnie" Martin
Permit Administrator
State Maintenance Office
Fl. Dept. of Transportation MS-52
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: stormwatch7721 on January 17, 2012, 03:38:30 PM
Does anyone know what is going on at US Route 92 between DeLand and Daytona Beach? There seems to be construction(sp?) going on.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 17, 2012, 03:41:50 PM
Quote from: stormwatch7721 on January 17, 2012, 03:38:30 PM
Does anyone know what is going on at US Route 92 between DeLand and Daytona Beach? There seems to be construction(sp?) going on.
Yes, and you can too! http://cflroads.com/County/Current/7/Volusia
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on January 19, 2012, 06:31:09 PM
In case anyone's curious:

New ramp opened from NB SR 414 to Orange CR 437A (Ocoee-Apopka Rd). The existing ramp a little further north is closed. Also, it seems SR 429 is on a new alignment in this area - a new alignment which should make access to SR 414 much easier, but from what I can tell, that access isn't open yet, but 429 is on the new alignment. Can anyone in the area confirm?

Links to the above info:
http://www.oocea.com/Corporate/oursystem/ConstructionUpdates.aspx?type=weekly&ID=20120106115713
http://www.oocea.com/Corporate/oursystem/sr429/TRAFFIC%20ALERT%20414-429.htm
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 19, 2012, 06:39:44 PM
Quote from: Ace10 on January 19, 2012, 06:31:09 PM
Also, it seems SR 429 is on a new alignment in this area - a new alignment which should make access to SR 414 much easier, but from what I can tell, that access isn't open yet, but 429 is on the new alignment. Can anyone in the area confirm?
Yes - I emailed OOCEA and confirmed that both directions are on the new alignment. Here it is in OSM: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.65286&lon=-81.53709&zoom=15&layers=M
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on January 19, 2012, 06:42:22 PM
Thanks for the link, NE2. I noticed OSM also had the new alignments. I'm just wondering when the big players (Google Maps, Bing Maps, etc) will catch up - probably won't be for a long time (they still don't have a new alignment of I-20 and I-55 in Jackson, MS right - or at least they didn't a few months ago).

Time to check if these new alignments have hit FDOT's GIS files...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 21, 2012, 12:42:53 AM
Quote from: Ace10 on January 19, 2012, 06:42:22 PM
Thanks for the link, NE2. I noticed OSM also had the new alignments. I'm just wondering when the big players (Google Maps, Bing Maps, etc) will catch up - probably won't be for a long time (they still don't have a new alignment of I-20 and I-55 in Jackson, MS right - or at least they didn't a few months ago).

Try maybe a year+ if you're lucky.  They still don't show the brand new NC-44 expressway (probably because they don't have imagery that shows it even under-construction yet, while Bing did allowing it to be added to OSM) and they still don't have I-95 NB correct (http://g.co/maps/svdjv) at the I-10 interchange in Jacksonville (and I sent them several reports about that mistake and they kept screwing it up).  Heck, in reference to the I-95 example, they even had their StreetView (http://g.co/maps/dqjf7) vehicles shoot the interchange after it was completed, and still don't have it correct.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on January 21, 2012, 02:18:18 AM
Quote from: invisible hand on January 21, 2012, 12:42:53 AMTry maybe a year+ if you're lucky.  They still don't show the brand new NC-44 expressway (probably because they don't have imagery that shows it even under-construction yet, while Bing did allowing it to be added to OSM) and they still don't have I-95 NB correct (http://g.co/maps/svdjv) at the I-10 interchange in Jacksonville (and I sent them several reports about that mistake and they kept screwing it up).  Heck, in reference to the I-95 example, they even had their StreetView (http://g.co/maps/dqjf7) vehicles shoot the interchange after it was completed, and still don't have it correct.

I hear you. In my Jackson example, neither Google nor Bing Maps had it correct on the actual map, but Bing's aerial images (I believe) show the current alignment of I-20/I-55 through that area today, at least at the closest zoom level (and the next one up, though that one is an older image, but shows the correct alignment). That at least gave some authenticity to Bing's credit (I try to stay away from Google Maps as much as possible but it's not completely avoidable).

As far as Street View vehicles driving along the new road, I know those photos are geotagged. They have to be, to make placing them at the exact coordinates that much easier. At least in the meantime, Google could have injected the GIS data (which I can get with a $30 receiver and software I can build myself) directly onto whatever shapefiles their map data uses if that sort of thing is possible. If it's possible to do it in OSM, I'd wager it's possible for Google to do that with their own data, at least to have the most accurate available.

The I-10/I-95 is an absolute mess with Google, as you mentioned. Both maps and aerial images are way out of date. I understand they're providing this service to us at no cost to us, and that it's silly of me to expect new alignments and such to be updated as quickly as possible, but it keeps me waiting for that one company who will finally be able to deliver on that promise.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mdcastle on January 21, 2012, 04:10:39 PM
Is there any talk about making it easier to get from Miami to the Keys?

The Turnpike was nice on the way down but then it ends and dumps traffic all of a sudden in Florida City and the next 20 miles or so are two line with a ton of traffic even on a Thursday afternoon. I wound up pulling over every couple of miles to let traffic past that seemed to want to go 70.

Is there something environmental preventing a four lane highway and building one or two more interchanges in Florida City. (yeah the area south of FL City looked like a wetland, but don't they have enough of it considering most of southern florida is a wetland?) Or is it a NIMBY thing (not the alligators but the Keys residents not wanting to make it too easy to get there, or a money thing? The situation kind of reminds me of London Road in Duluth, MN a two lane road connecting four lane roads heading towards a substantial resort area.

On the way back I took Card Sound Road. I had paid $35 for unlimited tolls and they didn't accept toll-by-plate, but it was worth $1 not to drive US 1 between Key Largo and Florida City again. Driving through the mangroves was something I certainly don't get to do everyday.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 21, 2012, 04:20:29 PM
It's likely an environmental thing, but until 20 years ago, there were no passing lanes. I haven't been down that way in years, but I suppose it's also costs a lot to build another set of lanes over the wetlands.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on January 21, 2012, 04:21:15 PM
Quote from: Mdcastle on January 21, 2012, 04:10:39 PM
Is there any talk about making it easier to get from Miami to the Keys?

The Turnpike was nice on the way down but then it ends and dumps traffic all of a sudden in Florida City and the next 20 miles or so are two line with a ton of traffic even on a Thursday afternoon. I wound up pulling over every couple of miles to let traffic past that seemed to want to go 70.

Is there something environmental preventing a four lane highway and building one or two more interchanges in Florida City. (yeah the area south of FL City looked like a wetland, but don't they have enough of it considering most of southern florida is a wetland?) Or is it a NIMBY thing (not the alligators but the Keys residents not wanting to make it too easy to get there, or a money thing? The situation kind of reminds me of London Road in Duluth, MN a two lane road connecting four lane roads heading towards a substantial resort area.

On the way back I took Card Sound Road. I had paid $35 for unlimited tolls and they didn't accept toll-by-plate, but it was worth $1 not to drive US 1 between Key Largo and Florida City again. Driving through the mangroves was something I certainly don't get to do everyday.

When was the last time you drove from Florida City to Key Largo? I was there about half a year ago and, though construction was still going on, they had four-landed US 1 quite a ways. It's not entirely four-laned all the way to Key Largo - there are some bridges and such that are still two lanes, but it seems they are trying to four-lane as much as they can. The two-lane portion between Key Largo and Florida City is well under 20 miles.

Even though I've been to the keys, I'm not too up on the culture of if they want to make it easier to get there for tourists and the like. I myself would like a four-laned US 1 all the way to Key West simply for hurricane evacuations. If FDOT can build an overseas highway of at least two lanes all the way to Key West, there's no reason they couldn't build four lanes - apart from lack of funds.

I took Card Sound Rd the last time leaving the Keys just to take a different route, and I didn't see another car the entire time from leaving US 1 in Key Largo to rejoining US 1 just south of Florida City. It was a nice, scenic drive, and worth not having to deal with US 1 traffic for part of my drive back home.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mdcastle on January 21, 2012, 04:59:45 PM
I was there in October of last year. It's the 20 mile stretch between Key Largo and Florida City that frazzled me. Once I got to Key Largo the road widened to four lanes and traffic thinned out and could get around me if they wanted to go fast, and their wasn't much traffic on the two lanes beyond Key Largo. I drove down on a Thursday night and back on a Saturday morning.

The other thing was that the last two blocks of US 1 were blocked off as a staging area for some sort of festival. I thought about asking a cop if I could just drive through or just doing it, but in the end decided traveling a road would still "count" if I walked it, so that's what I did. My sister asked me if we needed to go to Maine now to see the other end of US 1... I missed a picture of myself with the End 1 sign though because my sister apparently doesn't know how to work a camera and I didn't check at the time to see if she actually took one.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on January 21, 2012, 06:18:01 PM
Was that 20 mile stretch of US 1 you mentioned not four lanes at least part of, let alone the majority of, the way back in October of last year? It does narrow to two lanes getting near the county line and over Lake Surprise, and then widens back into four lanes after the curve onto Key Largo, but it is still four lanes a majority of the way from Florida City. We are talking about US 1, right? The alternate route - Card Sound Road (CR 905 and 905A) is two lanes the entire time, however.

The festival may have been the very reason traffic was congested that Thursday you drove in. I went one time in May I believe, and there was something going on in Key Largo which didn't block any lanes, but still contributed to a lot of traffic.

I'm sorry you lost the picture of the End US 1 sign. I've heard that that is one of the most photographed signs. The last time I was there, I got good pictures of US 1, then tried to find SR A1A. I never found A1A at the terminus, but I did find the southernmost reassurance markers for any numbered highway in the continental United States!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 21, 2012, 06:31:05 PM
Quote from: Ace10 on January 21, 2012, 06:18:01 PM
I did find the southernmost reassurance markers for any numbered highway in the continental United States!
If you mean the north US 1 on Truman after Whitehead, you did, but only because there appears to be no reassurance at the beginning of A1A. (A sign on the beachfront right where A1A begins would beat US 1 by a few feet.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on January 21, 2012, 06:36:38 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 21, 2012, 06:31:05 PMIf you mean the north US 1 on Truman after Whitehead, you did, but only because there appears to be no reassurance at the beginning of A1A. (A sign on the beachfront right where A1A begins would beat US 1 by a few feet.)

Oh no, I mean A1A. I couldn't find the actual terminus BEGIN/END signs of A1A, but I did find signs along the water, and they lie at a lower line of latitude than any for US 1 would have (or do they? The ones for US 1 may actually lie a bit lower. Time to do some fact checking...).

OK - fact check time. The terminus of A1A definitely lies further south than any other numbered highway accessible by car (I don't know of any numbered highways on private islands further west of Key West), BUT the point where I took the pictures below lie on almost the exact same line of latitude as the intersection of Truman and Whitehead, so those two pairs of reassurance markers may be competing for the "southernmost" label.

Found the coordinates: The northbound one is approximately at 24.552477,-81.763960. The one at Truman and Whitehead (for US 1) is approximately at 24.550474,-81.800348. So the A1A reassurance signs are about .002 degrees of latitude north than the ones at US 1 - that's about a difference of 728 feet - but they were the southernmost ones for A1A (which does travel further south than US 1, even seemingly within inches!) so that has to count for something!

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2F201106_FL_A1A_North.jpg&hash=d4c5467ed016d4f57f850d57ff48105419c76900)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2F201106_FL_A1A_South.jpg&hash=8bd7e3cc490187c1c75bc7c8989a6149967d589b)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 21, 2012, 11:05:09 PM
Quote from: Ace10 on January 21, 2012, 06:18:01 PM
Was that 20 mile stretch of US 1 you mentioned not four lanes at least part of, let alone the majority of, the way back in October of last year? It does narrow to two lanes getting near the county line and over Lake Surprise, and then widens back into four lanes after the curve onto Key Largo, but it is still four lanes a majority of the way from Florida City. We are talking about US 1, right? The alternate route - Card Sound Road (CR 905 and 905A) is two lanes the entire time, however.

The festival may have been the very reason traffic was congested that Thursday you drove in. I went one time in May I believe, and there was something going on in Key Largo which didn't block any lanes, but still contributed to a lot of traffic.

I'm sorry you lost the picture of the End US 1 sign. I've heard that that is one of the most photographed signs. The last time I was there, I got good pictures of US 1, then tried to find SR A1A. I never found A1A at the terminus, but I did find the southernmost reassurance markers for any numbered highway in the continental United States!

The construction on the stretch between Florida City and Key Largo finished last fall. It's not four lanes. There is one lane each direction with a concrete barrier in the median and a couple of passing zones each way. SB has a very narrow shoulder and NB has a full lane width shoulder to be used in case of hurricane evacuations as a second lane.

I've heard of no plans to 4-lane that stretch of US1.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on January 21, 2012, 11:14:53 PM
Quote from: realjd on January 21, 2012, 11:05:09 PMThe construction on the stretch between Florida City and Key Largo finished last fall. It's not four lanes. There is one lane each direction with a concrete barrier in the median and a couple of passing zones each way. SB has a very narrow shoulder and NB has a full lane width shoulder to be used in case of hurricane evacuations as a second lane.

I've heard of no plans to 4-lane that stretch of US1.

Wow. That's surprising to me. I knew in a few places where they were placing the concrete barrier, there was potentially enough room for two lanes of traffic in each direction - and there probably would have been if not for the extra space needed for the barrier or the shoulders. I guess I just wrongly assumed that there would have been enough space for four full lanes plus the barrier post-construction. I haven't been back since it's been finished.

I stand corrected. Thanks for the information guys.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on January 21, 2012, 11:23:24 PM
You are in PRIME season for any travel to south Florida.  All of our Canadian and Northeast winter friends come down to live until early April.  Always expect heavy traffic.  Card Sound Road and the $1 toll bridge is always worth the peace and lack of congestion over the reconstructed 18-mile stretch of US 1/Overseas Highway. :nod:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mdcastle on January 22, 2012, 12:05:27 AM
I did at leat get a picture of the US 1 sign. Just not one with me in it. Although I'm not wild about having my picture taken in general it seems like something you're "supposed to do". I did get a picture of myself at the Gateway Arch, the MN/IA/SD tripoint , the worlds highest roller coaster, but passed at the Willis tower, Mt. Rushmore and most other places I've been.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ak-ash4%2F300931_10150374987734875_739074874_8240588_2052413527_n.jpg&hash=87aea462ae4dffff0c04f5bb8eb0ca350b85bfca)

I didn't take very many road photos on the trip in general, just 7 mile bridge, the sign at US 1 / I-95, Card Sound Road through the mangroves, the Sunshine Skyway, and the Bridge of Lions. I was on a road trip with Froggie once and he'd take a picture of every interchange, but although roads still interest me on an intellectual level I myself have become burnt out at trying to document everthing on pictures. And I was traveling with my sister who will tolerate roageeking within reason (And she thought the detour to see the Skyway Bridge was cool too) her tolerance doesn't extend to stopping every 15 minutes to take a picture of a state highway end like I use to.

I did take A1A on the way out of Key West although it was rapidly getting dark (we stayed for the sunset at Zach Taylor Beach).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on January 22, 2012, 11:31:09 AM
Quote from: NE2 on January 21, 2012, 06:31:05 PM
Quote from: Ace10 on January 21, 2012, 06:18:01 PM
I did find the southernmost reassurance markers for any numbered highway in the continental United States!
If you mean the north US 1 on Truman after Whitehead, you did, but only because there appears to be no reassurance at the beginning of A1A. (A sign on the beachfront right where A1A begins would beat US 1 by a few feet.)
Last I'd heard, it was too close to call. I guess someone has been down to both termini with calibrated GPS?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on January 25, 2012, 02:02:59 PM
Had to take my car to my dealer down in Fort Pierce today and noticed that they have begun work on widening I-95 from four to six lanes from the St. Lucie/Indian River county line to State Road 70 in Fort Pierce.  More information can be found here (about midway down the page):

http://www.dot.state.fl.us/publicinformationoffice/construc/district4pio/stlucie.shtm

Be aware the FHPs are out in force in that area, so slow your roll! :sombrero:

Also, construction continues on widening I-95 in Brevard County between the Beachline and SR 406 in Titusville.  Center lane guard rails and new inner lane pavement is done from SR 528 to between Citrus Blvd. and Port St. John Parkway and from between SR 406 to Fox Lake Road, including sound walls on the east side of the interstate.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 25, 2012, 06:03:40 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on January 25, 2012, 02:02:59 PM
Had to take my car to my dealer down in Fort Pierce today and noticed that they have begun work on widening I-95 from four to six lanes from the St. Lucie/Indian River county line to State Road 70 in Fort Pierce.  More information can be found here (about midway down the page):

http://www.dot.state.fl.us/publicinformationoffice/construc/district4pio/stlucie.shtm

Be aware the FHPs are out in force in that area, so slow your roll! :sombrero:

Also, construction continues on widening I-95 in Brevard County between the Beachline and SR 406 in Titusville.  Center lane guard rails and new inner lane pavement is done from SR 528 to between Citrus Blvd. and Port St. John Parkway and from between SR 406 to Fox Lake Road, including sound walls on the east side of the interstate.

The only two lane sections of I-95 south of South Carolina are the stretch between I-4 and SR-528 (being widened currently) and the stretch between SR-514 and SR-70. I know there are plans to widen the stretch between SR-514 and the Indian River County line in the near future; I'm glad to hear that they're working on the rest of it also. Now if they'd only widen the Turnpike between SR-70 and Fort Lauderdale, I'd be happy!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 25, 2012, 06:05:29 PM
Quote from: realjd on January 25, 2012, 06:03:40 PM
The only two lane sections of I-95 south of South Carolina are the stretch between I-4 and SR-528 (being widened currently) and the stretch between SR-514 and SR-70. I know there are plans to widen the stretch between SR-514 and the Indian River County line in the near future; I'm glad to hear that they're working on the rest of it also. Now if they'd only widen the Turnpike between SR-70 and Fort Lauderdale, I'd be happy!


how long of a section is that greater than two lanes?  I remember in some other thread we were discussing the longest length of more-than-two-lane freeway in the US, and the record holder was, I think, I-5 from the East LA Interchange heading south... about 133 miles.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 25, 2012, 07:18:35 PM
Quote from: realjd on January 25, 2012, 06:03:40 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on January 25, 2012, 02:02:59 PM
Had to take my car to my dealer down in Fort Pierce today and noticed that they have begun work on widening I-95 from four to six lanes from the St. Lucie/Indian River county line to State Road 70 in Fort Pierce.  More information can be found here (about midway down the page):

http://www.dot.state.fl.us/publicinformationoffice/construc/district4pio/stlucie.shtm

Be aware the FHPs are out in force in that area, so slow your roll! :sombrero:

Also, construction continues on widening I-95 in Brevard County between the Beachline and SR 406 in Titusville.  Center lane guard rails and new inner lane pavement is done from SR 528 to between Citrus Blvd. and Port St. John Parkway and from between SR 406 to Fox Lake Road, including sound walls on the east side of the interstate.

The only two lane sections of I-95 south of South Carolina are the stretch between I-4 and SR-528 (being widened currently) and the stretch between SR-514 and SR-70. I know there are plans to widen the stretch between SR-514 and the Indian River County line in the near future; I'm glad to hear that they're working on the rest of it also. Now if they'd only widen the Turnpike between SR-70 and Fort Lauderdale, I'd be happy!


Just got nailed on I-95 near on Monday, missed the construction zone speed limit sign just north of CR712. No remorse from the black and tan. The Turnpike is six lanes until Mile Marker 88, but that toll money should have paid for its widening years ago.

On a happy note, there's lots of old sign relics in Alachua/Bradford County that caught my attention this week.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on January 25, 2012, 07:51:53 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 25, 2012, 07:18:35 PM
On a happy note, there's lots of old sign relics in Alachua/Bradford County that caught my attention this week.

Bradford County has been great with not replacing many, though they did replace a few keys shields along CR 18 from Brooker to US 301.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 25, 2012, 09:08:53 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 25, 2012, 06:05:29 PM
Quote from: realjd on January 25, 2012, 06:03:40 PM
The only two lane sections of I-95 south of South Carolina are the stretch between I-4 and SR-528 (being widened currently) and the stretch between SR-514 and SR-70. I know there are plans to widen the stretch between SR-514 and the Indian River County line in the near future; I'm glad to hear that they're working on the rest of it also. Now if they'd only widen the Turnpike between SR-70 and Fort Lauderdale, I'd be happy!


how long of a section is that greater than two lanes?  I remember in some other thread we were discussing the longest length of more-than-two-lane freeway in the US, and the record holder was, I think, I-5 from the East LA Interchange heading south... about 133 miles.

250 miles, give or take a few. I haven't been to the new 95/10 interchange in Jax so I can't say for sure that it doesn't drop to 2 lanes for a couple hundred yards or so there...

I75 is six lanes (or will be soon - I'm assuming the construction in GA is done by now) from around Chattenooga to Florida's Turnpike except for a brief 2 lane section in Macon at the interchange with I16. That's over 500 miles. Even the Macon-Turnpike stretch is over 300 miles.

I was wrong about those two sections of I95 being the only 2 lane stretches south of SC. There's also a brief 2-lane stretch between Exit 1 and mile zero at US1 in Miami.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on January 25, 2012, 09:55:22 PM
Quote from: realjd on January 25, 2012, 06:03:40 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on January 25, 2012, 02:02:59 PM
Had to take my car to my dealer down in Fort Pierce today and noticed that they have begun work on widening I-95 from four to six lanes from the St. Lucie/Indian River county line to State Road 70 in Fort Pierce.  More information can be found here (about midway down the page):

http://www.dot.state.fl.us/publicinformationoffice/construc/district4pio/stlucie.shtm

Be aware the FHPs are out in force in that area, so slow your roll! :sombrero:

Also, construction continues on widening I-95 in Brevard County between the Beachline and SR 406 in Titusville.  Center lane guard rails and new inner lane pavement is done from SR 528 to between Citrus Blvd. and Port St. John Parkway and from between SR 406 to Fox Lake Road, including sound walls on the east side of the interstate.

The only two lane sections of I-95 south of South Carolina are the stretch between I-4 and SR-528 (being widened currently) and the stretch between SR-514 and SR-70. I know there are plans to widen the stretch between SR-514 and the Indian River County line in the near future; I'm glad to hear that they're working on the rest of it also. Now if they'd only widen the Turnpike between SR-70 and Fort Lauderdale, I'd be happy!


It's already programmed, they're just waiting on the money:

http://www.cflroads.com/Project/Details/76/413072_1_I_95_Widening_from_Indian_River_County_Line_to_Malabar_Road

There's also a move to put an interchange north of Micco Road between Malabar and the southern part of Palm Bay:

http://www.palmbayinterchange.com/

And they rolled three contracts into one to six lane between SR 406 in Titusville and SR 44 in southern Volusia County:

http://www.cflroads.com/Project/Details/256/406869_8_I_95_Widening_from_South_of_SR_406_to_North_of_SR_44

(I have to give FDOT District 5 credit, they've really improved their website over the years...)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 25, 2012, 09:59:23 PM
They saved a few oldies:

This one was a little out of the way ('71)...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7194/6940956093_fc8be81d36_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/bzmdqM)

...this was along the way ('79).
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7065/6940956129_d38fe50f66_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/bzmdrp)

Not just one ('78), but...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7060/6940956221_3393ca791b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/bzmdsZ)

...another, too! ('75)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7064/6940956187_105dbf653b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/bzmdsp)

I just like the "End Of" included on this one:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7057/6940956169_b7f28ee91b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/bzmds6)

Old 301 with a County Route shield together, a rare pair:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7067/6794843192_b7f71c88aa_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/bmrm9Q)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 26, 2012, 07:19:32 AM
Quote from: realjd on January 25, 2012, 09:08:53 PM
250 miles, give or take a few. I haven't been to the new 95/10 interchange in Jax so I can't say for sure that it doesn't drop to 2 lanes for a couple hundred yards or so there...

Yep, I-95 does drop to two lanes in each direction on the "mainline" in the I-10/I-95 interchange. [NB] (http://g.co/maps/dwpwz) [SB] (http://g.co/maps/s9n3c)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on January 26, 2012, 09:39:56 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 26, 2012, 07:19:32 AM
Quote from: realjd on January 25, 2012, 09:08:53 PM
250 miles, give or take a few. I haven't been to the new 95/10 interchange in Jax so I can't say for sure that it doesn't drop to 2 lanes for a couple hundred yards or so there...

Yep, I-95 does drop to two lanes in each direction on the "mainline" in the I-10/I-95 interchange. [NB] (http://g.co/maps/dwpwz) [SB] (http://g.co/maps/s9n3c)

The local lanes ( to use NJ parlance) has at 1 lane for I-95 SB... so there are a total of 3 going SB... going NB there is only 2 lanes unless you consider the ramp from I-10 that is 3 lanes
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 29, 2012, 07:10:26 PM
AP via N.Y. Times: Florida Highway Pileup Kills at Least 10 People (http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2012/01/29/us/AP-US-Deadly-Interstate-Crash.html)

QuoteAuthorities were still trying to determine what caused the pileup south of Gainesville on Interstate 75, which had been closed for a time before the accidents because of the mixture of fog and heavy smoke from a brush fire that may have been intentionally set. At least a dozen cars and six tractor-trailers were involved, and some burst into flames.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on January 29, 2012, 11:01:01 PM
The local news stations in Orlando are reporting that northbound I-75 is open,however, southbound traffic is being diverted onto SR 121 to US 27 in Williston, no timetable set for reopening southbound.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 30, 2012, 02:06:36 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 25, 2012, 09:59:23 PM
Old 301 with a County Route shield together, a rare pair:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F01%2FOld301%2BCR200Asigns.jpg&hash=007dc4735a821b36d0a4ddbf9baf4edcea01c7f5)
That reminds me; I have to make more County Road shield requests on Wikipedia, including for Alachua County.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 30, 2012, 03:16:32 PM
^ Heh...if I get around to it, I've probably taken a bunch of county road photos that could use some uploading. Just don't have the time I used to...

Wow, I was just driving past that horrible sight I-75 on Friday afternoon; how terrible.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 31, 2012, 02:48:00 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 30, 2012, 03:16:32 PMWow, I was just driving past that horrible sight I-75 on Friday afternoon; how terrible.
You know, yesterday BayNews 9 was getting reports from an Orlando area network claiming it was just in Ocala, and then brought up Gainesville.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 31, 2012, 03:50:38 PM
I took this photo (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Interstate75-PaynesPrairie-27Jan2012.jpg) on Friday afternoon, just before I left:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F9%2F91%2FInterstate75-PaynesPrairie-27Jan2012.jpg%2F800px-Interstate75-PaynesPrairie-27Jan2012.jpg&hash=f1171f6ce929cd88d5b42a9cae59a7e91a1ab56e)

From a decent height (there's rest stop with an elevated vantage point), traffic just appears to crawl.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 02, 2012, 12:46:15 AM
Reason's Out of Control blog: Florida Toll Agencies Should Not Be Consolidated (http://reason.org/news/show/florida-toll-agencies-consolidated)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 02, 2012, 12:54:17 AM
Good job finding a blog worse than TollRoadsNews.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on February 10, 2012, 09:41:25 AM
I was on FL 414 at FL 429 and it looks like some of the new flyovers are open.  The old bridge carrying FL 429 over FL 414 has been demolished and the interchange from CR 437A to FL 429 is moved one mile south as a complete diamond.   

When this is completed there will be no access between FL 414 and CR 437A and the new interchange south of there will provide the movements.

I also see that the FL 408 and FL 417 interchange is under a major overhaul!  The connector road (old unnumbered 408 to its original terminus) from EB to NB and SB to WB is going to be ripped up for new ramps and flyovers.  To compensate for the loss of the Valencia CC Lane interchange on the current connector freeway  a new interchange between FL 408 and Chickasaw Trail is being constructed as well.  That will eliminate EB FL 408 and SB FL 417 from exiting itself and new land open for development.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 12, 2012, 01:42:34 PM
New access between SR 417 and International Parkway:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi40.tinypic.com%2Fa2ta4l.jpg&hash=055ddb5705188aa3774ebfbd6af2d57bb8ab23fe)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi40.tinypic.com%2F8wzcbr.jpg&hash=066669c3b7dde3ceb91c14db7c77318f43fe99e3)

Jumping the gun on route designations:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi44.tinypic.com%2Fwm0cj6.jpg&hash=af9d23b7d96d0c52b5477379cd849dbd39b60949)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi42.tinypic.com%2F15ex0yu.jpg&hash=551afe92f47d3c0da0cc130368e311f7fe860ea0)

Future CR 437A exit:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.tinypic.com%2F124kklf.jpg&hash=87c6368e3507af5e7a9bdfeb8079880daf5c9306)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on February 12, 2012, 01:51:57 PM
I saw the new opened FL 451 to FL 429 connection.  I was on it and captured it!  I did not see the new FL 451 mile marker, though.  Plus, I have not been in the Lake Mary area for some time, so your photos are enjoyable news.

I do not know if you yet got to the east end at FL 417 and FL 408.  The new flyovers are something.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on February 21, 2012, 12:43:15 AM
I went on a trip to Ocala and surrounding areas. Wanted to see how a couple of CR switch-offs were handled and tried to explore Ocala for one last time. In the Williston area, the extremely faded brown US 41 shield on CR 323/CR 326 has been replaced, and so has the green US 27 shield on CR 323

On CR 335 southbound. The northbound signage is just normal shields, but I was looking for this one.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2F124.jpg&hash=10ba36bd846f230f0623325359e86a7d6b643666)


Major fail on Marion County's behalf. This is eastbound.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2F162.jpg&hash=0952f5a5ef4c1e49a1634f81e5b016446f29e770)


This hasn't yet been replaced.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2F186.jpg&hash=54852419286eb2ecf3efc580a3357578fe84ec91)

And neither has this...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2F239.jpg&hash=7b4d6bc3802fc3c98abe280524149f552ddd91a6)

[The SR 40 bridge over the railroad tracks is dated 1983, for those button-copy enthusiasts.]

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on February 21, 2012, 01:11:42 AM
As I got under this sign, the "Bus District" looked to have some ghost reflector spots in the letters.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2F235.jpg&hash=5f831c096f1b2bdf2db03dff227ec584e81a0705)

Gotta love good ol' Osceola Ave with the railroad track down the center.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2F261.jpg&hash=4ef69bae8cc7658bd3b22315e91374ddb0e91c65)

The only 12-8-8s in the area. I think this makes maybe three across the whole state.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2F232.jpg&hash=f5f4fa58ef04a8f37550abf73956fa65895d0aa0)

Last known green shield in Marion County! Oh..
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2F234.jpg&hash=9487a70f3bbe1a2fe2a30a1d476f75a37faaf802)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on February 21, 2012, 10:59:12 AM
Quote from: florida on February 21, 2012, 12:43:15 AM
And neither has this...
[button copy, 40 @ 27-301-441]

[The SR 40 bridge over the railroad tracks is dated 1983, for those button-copy enthusiasts.]


those shields are patches.  Were there at one point '61-spec shields on that gantry?  Florida rarely used colored shields on green signs, but they did use (possibly non-reflective) older-spec shields, as seen here:

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/FL/FL19704411i1.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on February 21, 2012, 12:38:24 PM
There had to have been at some point, plus a probable cut-out for the SR 40 shield. The 4 on this shield is starting to peel.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 29, 2012, 07:47:32 PM
Quote from: florida on February 21, 2012, 12:43:15 AM
This hasn't yet been replaced.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2F186.jpg&hash=54852419286eb2ecf3efc580a3357578fe84ec91)
A gantry would make more sense.

Quote from: florida on February 21, 2012, 12:43:15 AM
And neither has this...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2F239.jpg&hash=7b4d6bc3802fc3c98abe280524149f552ddd91a6)
To be honest, I can't think of any reason it should be replaced.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 29, 2012, 07:55:57 PM
I've got some potential Wikipedia article improvements riding on this question;

In northern Jacksonville, FDOT lists two county suffixes of Florida State Road 21 that run north of the northern terminus;

Duval County Road 21B: Commonwealth Avenue east of I-295.
Duval County Road 21D: Moncrief Road southeast of FL 111 at least to SR 122.

No evidence of either county roads can be found on Google Maps, which also lists CR 21D as State Road 210.

http://www.dot.state.fl.us/surveyingandmapping/geomap/duva_c.pdf

So what's right here?


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 29, 2012, 08:16:02 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 29, 2012, 07:55:57 PM
I've got some potential Wikipedia article improvements riding on this question;

In northern Jacksonville, FDOT lists two county suffixes of Florida State Road 21 that run north of the northern terminus;

Duval County Road 21B: Commonwealth Avenue east of I-295.
Duval County Road 21D: Moncrief Road southeast of FL 111 at least to SR 122.

No evidence of either county roads can be found on Google Maps, which also lists CR 21D as State Road 210.

http://www.dot.state.fl.us/surveyingandmapping/geomap/duva_c.pdf

So what's right here?
Why would either FDOT or Google Maps be a source for what county roads exist in Duval County?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on March 01, 2012, 01:14:21 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 29, 2012, 07:55:57 PM
I've got some potential Wikipedia article improvements riding on this question;

In northern Jacksonville, FDOT lists two county suffixes of Florida State Road 21 that run north of the northern terminus;

Duval County Road 21B: Commonwealth Avenue east of I-295.
Duval County Road 21D: Moncrief Road southeast of FL 111 at least to SR 122.

No evidence of either county roads can be found on Google Maps, which also lists CR 21D as State Road 210.

http://www.dot.state.fl.us/surveyingandmapping/geomap/duva_c.pdf

So what's right here?

They're leftovers from yesteryear. 21D originally ran from SR 111 to US 1/23, then it was changed to run south of 111 to I-95. SR 21B did exist along Commonwealth from SR 103 to McDuff, and starting in 1981, it was also the original number for SR 129 along McDuff (after before the Commonwealth routing was decommissioned to CR 21B in 1983), which in itself (McDuff) was renumbered to its current number in 1985. There was also a 21G along Collins Road, but that looks to have been completely removed in the 60s.

Here's the 1974 reprint http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00016165/00001/1x?search=duval&vo=13&vp=2622,1554
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoadsGuy on March 02, 2012, 01:44:51 AM
Question for everyone out there. Albert Calis IMed me earlier today the question of the ghost on ramp on NB FL 112 by the airport after you cross the at-grade railroad crossing. I've seen it the many times I've driven by it just never thought about it. Does anyone know and shed some light to where it was suppose to connect to from the airport??
---
Gene Janczynskyi
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 02, 2012, 06:48:01 AM
Seeing how it connects to some airport maintenance or cargo facilities within Miami International Airport, I'm guessing it's probably a remnant of pre-9/11 security measures (note the covered inspection booths just SW of the ghost ramp).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoadsGuy on March 02, 2012, 09:27:15 AM
That booth has been there if you look at the Google Earth image 01/14/1994 so it was created when FDOT extended FL 112 to the airport in 1990 and before MIA was rebuilt and expanded.
---
Gene Janczynskyi
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on March 04, 2012, 10:37:07 PM
Today, I traveled to (mostly) Lake County to check some county roads out....

-Lake CR 42 has been realigned in Altoona, along the east side, eliminating the concurrency with SR 19 [and that includes all and any signage even relating to that, on the old routing :( ]. There is a traffic signal at the intersection and pentagon(!) county shields.
-Marion CR 42 also has some intersection improvements going on at CR 25. They've torn up about a 0.2 mile stretch of CR 42 in Weirsdale, between the Post Office and CR 25 [that stopped me from totally clinching this road  :angry: ]
-The new yellow toll banners aren't just for the Toll SR shields anymore. At the US 27/SR 19 intersection, they've been applied to free-standing Turnpike signs, along with added onto the BGSs.
-I don't know how Lake County found the money, but it seems like they've replaced a LOT of route signage on their county roads. Places I've been to in the past [Okahumpka, Lake Jem] look different this time around. It's as if they did it to just do it.
-There are two END shields, one each for CR 44A (this one ends at the 520-530 block of Rose St) and CR 450A in Umatilla, and one BEGIN shield for CR 448 in Lake Jem.
-Sumter CR 229 is shielded along CR 466, but only with JCT assemblies in each direction.
-Marion County seems to use two different fonts on its CR shields, when you're approaching them. The font on the JCT shields have a pointy "4", and the directionals have a softer font.
-Found some street sign blades that list CR 48 as "S.R. 48" and the SR 44 (between US 441 and Orange Avenue) as "CR 44B" and "SR 44B"
-Uni-signs have popped up on Orange Avenue in Eustis.
-Fruitland Park is experiencing growing pains with the widening of US 27/441.
-I only saw one of those US 441 shields with the extended black border, out in the wild.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 05, 2012, 04:54:31 AM
Some of the Lake County Route shields are hideously malformed uni-signs.

CR 42 is still a blast to drive on, admittedly. But there is a massive speed trap as you enter Altoona from the east, as you come down a hill going a posted 55, into a 35. There were three motorcycle cops there at the time, but my instincts sort of kicked in just at the top of the hill.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on March 09, 2012, 02:30:51 AM
Quote from: formulanone on March 05, 2012, 04:54:31 AM
Some of the Lake County Route shields are hideously malformed uni-signs.

They've even made the "ears" signs (the signs with both directional banners, one shield and a dual-connected arrow...indigenous to Marion and Lake Counties) into a unisign. That's just lazy.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 10, 2012, 11:39:52 PM
I've got good news from the Tampa Bay Metro Area;

The last exit on I-275 before terminating at I-75 in the Lutz-Wesley Chapel area has the proper Exit number; 59.

Previously, it was labeled Exit 275, just like on I-75, which made no sense at all.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 11, 2012, 03:02:09 AM
Found this three weeks ago...about the only reference to SR 821 in the field:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/7562/28227568011_b326ee6077_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/K1nEx6)

Edit: Updated image link.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on March 16, 2012, 12:09:03 AM
^^I like that!

On Sunday, I tracked across North Florida to get some last keys shields photographed.

-ALL colored shields along Alt 27 in Levy County are gone. The only holdout may be CR 241.
-Dixie CR 351 has proper Truck Route signing along US 19/98/27A in Cross City. Trucks are to use CR 351A, and a traffic light has been installed at CR 351A and the US-Triplex in Shamrock.
-A C-356C shield has been found in Perry (date stamped 9/75). Never knew this shield existed at all, and it proves that 356C was a true route and not just a map typo. 
-In Tallahassee, there is still remnant signage along the former routings of SR 366, SR 157 and SR 371 in downtown. (On a side note, the error sign on SR 373 EB at SR 363, which read SR 263 for Adams Street, has been rectified.)
-Twinning of US 90 east of town, out by I-10 is well underway.
-In Madison County, there was a black/white guide sign for Lee at the intersection of CRs 150 and 255 seen here http://g.co/maps/nta9e . This has been replaced with the standard green/white.
-Suwannee County (or FDOT and its contractors) has been implementing 'uni-shields' (a non-cutout pentagon) along County Route intersections. The I-10 off-ramps at CR 137 and CR 252 WB at US 129 have them; the latter replaced a keys shield.
-Luckily, the C-136 shield still stands in Suwannee County...with a date stamp of 1965.
-There was a C-248 in "Beachville" (Suwannee County where SR 247, CR 49 and CR 248 come together, seen here http://g.co/maps/a2znq ) which has been completely removed.
-Only one keys shield remains in Gilchrist County, at an unsigned county route. The one on CR 236 is gone, along with the C-344s which were on CR 307.
-In Gainesville, street-scaping of SR 329 from Depot Ave to NW/NE 8th Ave is complete. The single sign assembly of the concurrency of SR 20 and SR 329 has been replaced with a single SR 20 reassurance. There is also new Junction signage on both directions of Main Street at University Avenue showing that SR 20 and 26 go both directions on University, but lacks any notation of SR 24.
-The SR 26 bypass of Orange Heights is pretty much done. The bridge is open to traffic, but there's still some construction work going on to finish the project. On SR 26, both intersections of the "former" routing are signed "TO US 301" while the signs on US 301 are still the same with the SR 26 shield over a dual-direction arrow.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 16, 2012, 11:31:04 AM
Quote from: formulanone on March 11, 2012, 03:02:09 AM
Found this three weeks ago...about the only reference to SR 821 in the field:


from the photo, it looks like one cannot enter SR-821.  but it's probably a matter of angles.  where is that street blade located? I would like to see which road cannot be entered (probably one coming in at an oblique angle is my guess)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 16, 2012, 11:40:42 AM
It's from heading north on US 27, as you pass by the southbound exit ramp from HEFT/821. Sorry, on my phone I can't link Street View, which actually shows the old signs in the traffic light pole. Must be a recent install.

I think you can enter 821 from there, the access ramps from US 27 ramps are kind unique for allowing you to enter it northbound from one side of the overpass and southbound frim the other side...at least, instead of the N/S split after the usual Turnpike toll booth. It's on of the few "free" exits, and there's lots of truck traffic in that area.

But the Do Not Enter sign is for the separation of the traffic that just exited the Turnpike.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on March 16, 2012, 12:42:43 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 16, 2012, 11:31:04 AM
Quote from: formulanone on March 11, 2012, 03:02:09 AM
Found this three weeks ago...about the only reference to SR 821 in the field:


from the photo, it looks like one cannot enter SR-821.  but it's probably a matter of angles.  where is that street blade located? I would like to see which road cannot be entered (probably one coming in at an oblique angle is my guess)

Link to Bing Maps' street view. (http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=25.902079999999998~-80.387039&lvl=18&dir=0&sty=x~lat~25.90208~lon~-80.387039~alt~-23.33~z~30~h~339.6~p~-1.6~pid~5082&app=5082&FORM=LMLTCC) The ramp to the turnpike is to the right, but in this view the street sign doesn't have the "821" reference. It's apparent in this picture that the "Do Not Enter" sign is meant to tell people not to drive to the left of the median separating the two sides of the ramp.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 16, 2012, 12:57:07 PM
I had no idea that 821 was the Turnpike.  I had always thought that had reference number FL-91. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on March 16, 2012, 01:23:19 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 16, 2012, 12:57:07 PM
I had no idea that 821 was the Turnpike.  I had always thought that had reference number FL-91. 

SR-821 is the Homestead extension of the Turnpike. SR-91 is the main portion, running from the split with I-75 in Wildwood down to the Golden Glades interchange with I-95 and SR-826 in Miami.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 16, 2012, 02:07:43 PM
Quote from: realjd on March 16, 2012, 01:23:19 PM

SR-821 is the Homestead extension of the Turnpike. SR-91 is the main portion, running from the split with I-75 in Wildwood down to the Golden Glades interchange with I-95 and SR-826 in Miami.

does Florida have unsigned state routes which are not given any other designation?  i.e. I-xx, US-xx, Florida's Turnpike, or some other name?  

I had thought that 821 fit that bill, and the find was an easter egg like finding a field designation for a Connecticut reference route.  (I think there is one in Conn... otherwise-unsigned route 839 posted on the side of an overpass, if I recall correctly.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on March 16, 2012, 02:33:58 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 16, 2012, 02:07:43 PM
Quote from: realjd on March 16, 2012, 01:23:19 PM

SR-821 is the Homestead extension of the Turnpike. SR-91 is the main portion, running from the split with I-75 in Wildwood down to the Golden Glades interchange with I-95 and SR-826 in Miami.

does Florida have unsigned state routes which are not given any other designation?  i.e. I-xx, US-xx, Florida's Turnpike, or some other name? 

I had thought that 821 fit that bill, and the find was an easter egg like finding a field designation for a Connecticut reference route.  (I think there is one in Conn... otherwise-unsigned route 839 posted on the side of an overpass, if I recall correctly.)

There are unsigned state routes in Florida. Usually they're short roads in urban areas. SR-5054 here in Melbourne is a good example, as are SR-970 and SR-913 in the Miami area. Other short urban state highways are often undersigned, at least in this part of Florida. SR-507 is a good example of that.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 16, 2012, 02:39:17 PM
Quote from: realjd on March 16, 2012, 02:33:58 PM
There are unsigned state routes in Florida. Usually they're short roads in urban areas. SR-5054 here in Melbourne is a good example, as are SR-970 and SR-913 in the Miami area. Other short urban state highways are often undersigned, at least in this part of Florida. SR-507 is a good example of that.

and that leads to another question: why the four-digit designation?  I had thought 9336 was the only four-digit route, but it looks like there is unsigned 5054 as well.  were all the three-digit numbers in that section of the grid taken?

also: any other routes which are intended to be unsigned, but are signed?  I know there are some SR-5s for US-1 and the like, but I mean a route which is completely unsigned except for an easter egg or two.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on March 16, 2012, 04:13:54 PM
Quote from: realjd on March 16, 2012, 01:23:19 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 16, 2012, 12:57:07 PM
I had no idea that 821 was the Turnpike.  I had always thought that had reference number FL-91. 

SR-821 is the Homestead extension of the Turnpike. SR-91 is the main portion, running from the split with I-75 in Wildwood down to the Golden Glades interchange with I-95 and SR-826 in Miami.

Is that not considered part of the Turnpike system such that the phrase "the Turnpike" is inappropriate? (That's a serious question. Other than a football trip in November 2005, a visit to the Miami area to visit relatives last summer was the first time I've been to that area. We drove on a very minimal portion of the Homestead Extension, from Red Road east to the mainline before turning south to head downtown, and then later we used the mainline en route to visit another relative in Viera. I may use I-95 next time just to try to finish off one of the final three segments I need for a clinch.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on March 16, 2012, 04:34:53 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 16, 2012, 04:13:54 PM
Is that not considered part of the Turnpike system such that the phrase "the Turnpike" is inappropriate? (That's a serious question. Other than a football trip in November 2005, a visit to the Miami area to visit relatives last summer was the first time I've been to that area. We drove on a very minimal portion of the Homestead Extension, from Red Road east to the mainline before turning south to head downtown, and then later we used the mainline en route to visit another relative in Viera. I may use I-95 next time just to try to finish off one of the final three segments I need for a clinch.)

Nope, it's considered part of "The Turnpike". The mile markers and exit numbers start at Florida City at the end of the Homestead Extension and are continuous all the way to I-75 northwest of Orlando. When driving south on the Turnpike, the exit for the Homestead Extension is simply signed with a Turnpike shield, with the rest of SR-91 signed as "Miami via I-95". The distinction between the HEFT and main Turnpike (SR-821 and SR-91) exist only on paper.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on March 16, 2012, 04:42:54 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 16, 2012, 02:39:17 PM
Quote from: realjd on March 16, 2012, 02:33:58 PM
There are unsigned state routes in Florida. Usually they're short roads in urban areas. SR-5054 here in Melbourne is a good example, as are SR-970 and SR-913 in the Miami area. Other short urban state highways are often undersigned, at least in this part of Florida. SR-507 is a good example of that.

and that leads to another question: why the four-digit designation?  I had thought 9336 was the only four-digit route, but it looks like there is unsigned 5054 as well.  were all the three-digit numbers in that section of the grid taken?

also: any other routes which are intended to be unsigned, but are signed?  I know there are some SR-5s for US-1 and the like, but I mean a route which is completely unsigned except for an easter egg or two.

Four-digit numbers were started in 1976 after so many numbers were duplicated; there were at least six sections of 225 in Marion, Alachua and Bradford Counties and at least six sections of 280 from Walton County to Jackson County in the Panhandle. Other numbers that were heavily duplicated include 278 and 158.

As for easter eggs...
SR 970 has two shields, one in each direction.
SR 620 has one shield, but is signed as SR 655 otherwise.
SR 114 used to be signed on I-95 BGSs.
SR 102 has one reassurance shield in each direction.
SR 500A is signed only at the SR 19 intersection in Tavares.
Then there's the famous, random SR 55 reassurance shield in Chiefland

And you also have error shield(s) like an SR 165 sign at the split of SR 71 and Jackson CR 165, and a strange Palm Beach County-made SR 711 shield on CR 706.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on March 16, 2012, 05:49:55 PM
Quote from: realjd on March 16, 2012, 04:34:53 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 16, 2012, 04:13:54 PM
Is that not considered part of the Turnpike system such that the phrase "the Turnpike" is inappropriate? (That's a serious question. Other than a football trip in November 2005, a visit to the Miami area to visit relatives last summer was the first time I've been to that area. We drove on a very minimal portion of the Homestead Extension, from Red Road east to the mainline before turning south to head downtown, and then later we used the mainline en route to visit another relative in Viera. I may use I-95 next time just to try to finish off one of the final three segments I need for a clinch.)

Nope, it's considered part of "The Turnpike". The mile markers and exit numbers start at Florida City at the end of the Homestead Extension and are continuous all the way to I-75 northwest of Orlando. When driving south on the Turnpike, the exit for the Homestead Extension is simply signed with a Turnpike shield, with the rest of SR-91 signed as "Miami via I-95". The distinction between the HEFT and main Turnpike (SR-821 and SR-91) exist only on paper.

Thanks. I'm more familiar with the Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Maine Turnpikes, and with the New York Thruway, simply because I've travelled north far more often than I've travelled south (when I was a kid, our father refused to go south on vacation other than a few trips to Nags Head in the 1970s). The most significant extension there is the Northeast Extension in Pennsylvania and it's universally referred to that way, but I guess the big difference between there and the Homestead Extension in Florida is that the mainline Pennsylvania Turnpike still has more than a minimal segment to the east of the Northeast Extension, whereas the mainline in Florida ends almost immediately after the Homestead Extension splits off. That's kind of why in my mind I perceived the whole thing as simply "the Turnpike" without distinguishing between the extension and the mainline.

As I think about it, I suppose if you're giving directions from outside the Miami area the distinction may matter simply because you have to "exit" from the mainline to the Homestead Extension, so if you fail to mention this someone might just keep straight ahead and get dumped onto I-95, but if you were just giving directions from, say, my brother-in-law's house in Pembroke Pines to Key West you could just say "take US-27 south to the Turnpike entrance, get on the Turnpike south, follow it to its end and then take US-1 the rest of the way." In that situation the distinction seems like it wouldn't really matter.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 16, 2012, 08:11:34 PM
Usually traffic reports in the area refer to "the Extension". There's that little 4-mile section of the mainline Florida's Turnpike that's south of its split, and terminates at SR 9, I-95, SR 826, which was its original starting point. The exit for the Sun Life Stadium (whatever they call it this year) is labelled 2X, in case there was any confusion beyween that and non-existent Exit 2 for the Homestead Extension. So reporters in the field and locals call it The Extension, but never State Road 821, because no sign has ever really existed in the field. Most secret route numbers remain hidden as such along Interstates and US Routes (a few exceptions, unlike Georgia for example), and the Turnpikes.

Florida's funny about those Easter eggs; most numbered routes have at least one sign, although usually county routes get the short shrift in urban/suburban areas where there's a high density of shielded routes already.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on March 16, 2012, 10:32:23 PM
Quote from: florida on March 16, 2012, 04:42:54 PM
SR 102 has one reassurance shield in each direction.

102 has two shields?  I've never seen a second one.  I've only seen a WB shield (http://g.co/maps/n2bq2) @ Duval Road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on March 17, 2012, 05:04:57 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on March 16, 2012, 10:32:23 PM
Quote from: florida on March 16, 2012, 04:42:54 PM
SR 102 has one reassurance shield in each direction.

102 has two shields?  I've never seen a second one.  I've only seen a WB shield (http://g.co/maps/n2bq2) @ Duval Road.

My mistake. I was guessing off the top of my head  :-D
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 17, 2012, 06:19:15 AM
Looks like more 9A signs are being changed to 295: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2012-03-12/story/9a-steadily-becoming-i-295-beltway
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 17, 2012, 10:20:43 PM
Why do some maps refer to FL 821 (or the Homestead Extension) as the West Dade Expressway? 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 17, 2012, 10:27:35 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 17, 2012, 10:20:43 PM
Why do some maps refer to FL 821 (or the Homestead Extension) as the West Dade Expressway? 
I'd teach you to fish but the mods won't let me.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on March 19, 2012, 07:57:31 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 17, 2012, 10:27:35 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 17, 2012, 10:20:43 PM
Why do some maps refer to FL 821 (or the Homestead Extension) as the West Dade Expressway? 
I'd teach you to fish but the mods won't let me.
And I still think deprecation is a valuable part of this forum. Answer to the question: Google the terms you asked.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 20, 2012, 04:55:21 AM
Bit of a moot point, since nobody calls it that. I've seen some old maps from years ago use it, but I've never heard anyone describe it as such since living in the area since 1982.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on March 20, 2012, 03:24:10 PM
Quote from: formulanone on March 20, 2012, 04:55:21 AM
Bit of a moot point, since nobody calls it that. I've seen some old maps from years ago use it, but I've never heard anyone describe it as such since living in the area since 1982.

for continuity I would like to see the HEFT along with the mainline FL turnpike signed as TOLL 91 from Homestead to Wildwood.  It isprpbably only known to roadgeeks and GPS as SR 91.  But I like the idea and it would make the mile-based exits all on the same State Road
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on March 20, 2012, 04:38:20 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on March 20, 2012, 03:24:10 PM
for continuity I would like to see the HEFT along with the mainline FL turnpike signed as TOLL 91 from Homestead to Wildwood.  It isprpbably only known to roadgeeks and GPS as SR 91.  But I like the idea and it would make the mile-based exits all on the same State Road

They'd have to go replace all of the Turnpike signs. That's expensive. Like you said, only road geeks care about the hidden state designations. There are much better ways to spend our tax dollars IMO. Besides, everyone knows it as the Turnpike. It was bad enough when Orlando switched expressway signage to numbers; this would just cause unnecessary confusion for everyone who isn't a road geek (i.e. almost everyone).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on March 20, 2012, 05:08:16 PM
Quote from: realjd on March 20, 2012, 04:38:20 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on March 20, 2012, 03:24:10 PM
for continuity I would like to see the HEFT along with the mainline FL turnpike signed as TOLL 91 from Homestead to Wildwood.  It isprpbably only known to roadgeeks and GPS as SR 91.  But I like the idea and it would make the mile-based exits all on the same State Road

They'd have to go replace all of the Turnpike signs. That's expensive. Like you said, only road geeks care about the hidden state designations. There are much better ways to spend our tax dollars IMO. Besides, everyone knows it as the Turnpike. It was bad enough when Orlando switched expressway signage to numbers; this would just cause unnecessary confusion for everyone who isn't a road geek (i.e. almost everyone).

There are tons of confused people here in Jax with the change from SR 9A to I-295 East Beltway.  But why not just change the HEFT to SR 91.  Or we could go nuts and have a Southern I-91
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 20, 2012, 09:19:10 PM
Drove the recently decommissioned SR 290 today from end to end. Shields are still in place for the route along U.S. 90, after SR 291 in both directions and on both directions of SR 291, and on CR 95A north and south. Missing are the first west and eastbound (http://www.southeastroads.com/florida200/fl-290_eb_begin.jpg) reassurance markers, though those have been gone for years now. Oddly the SR 291 shield assembly (http://www.southeastroads.com/florida200/fl-290_eb_at_fl-291.jpg) on Olive Road east disappeared some years ago too.

The extended SR 750 has shields posted after SR 289 and SR 291 in both directions, but still nothing at U.S. 29.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on March 21, 2012, 02:19:44 PM
In the planning stages of working on some Interstate 75 pages in Florida, I came across this change I forgot to mention about in my travel back to lower Alabama from southwest Florida:

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-075_nb_exit_229_01.jpg)
Until sometime in mid-2011, signage approaching this interchange reflected Exit 229 as being Mantaee County 6, not Manatee County 683. Photo taken 12/26/2011 by ABRoads.

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-075_nb_exit_229_03.jpg)
Until sometime in mid-2011, signage at this interchange reflected Exit 229 as being Mantaee County 6, not Manatee County 683. Photo taken 12/26/2011 by ABRoads.

However, there was no visible signage indicating Manatee County 683 at the bottom of the off-ramp, nor on eastbound Moccasin-Wallow Road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 21, 2012, 03:36:09 PM
Huh. They finally changed CR 6. FDOT actually inventories it as CR 675 except for the westernmost 3/4 mile (west of Gillette, where old SR 683 turned south).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 21, 2012, 04:39:05 PM
Always wondered why it was CR 6. Just a long-time error, or completely intentional?

Geez, it's been that way to my eyes since 1992.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on March 22, 2012, 12:45:24 AM
Quote from: formulanone on March 21, 2012, 04:39:05 PM
Always wondered why it was CR 6. Just a long-time error, or completely intentional?

Geez, it's been that way to my eyes since 1992.

I think it's intentional as there's been a CR 10 on Erie Road, shown on Manatee County highway maps.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on March 28, 2012, 08:57:57 PM
Looks like FDOT is going to launch some toll studies for the Tampa Bay area interstates over the summer:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/transportation/roads/idea-of-toll-lanes-to-be-studied-for-tampa-bays-interstates/1221603 (http://www.tampabay.com/news/transportation/roads/idea-of-toll-lanes-to-be-studied-for-tampa-bays-interstates/1221603)

If this were to come to fruition, it would add a lot of "Lexus lane" mileage to the interstate system.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on March 29, 2012, 09:41:52 AM
Quote from: NE2 on March 17, 2012, 06:19:15 AM
Looks like more 9A signs are being changed to 295: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2012-03-12/story/9a-steadily-becoming-i-295-beltway

SR 9A will be relegated to the secret knowledge of road-geekdome.  We all know that I-295 IS SR 9A
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 29, 2012, 11:01:54 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on March 29, 2012, 09:41:52 AM
SR 9A will be relegated to the secret knowledge of road-geekdome.  We all know that I-295 IS SR9A.

...along with I-95 south of the Golden Glades Interchange.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on March 29, 2012, 12:24:34 PM
Quote from: formulanone on March 29, 2012, 11:01:54 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on March 29, 2012, 09:41:52 AM
SR 9A will be relegated to the secret knowledge of road-geekdome.  We all know that I-295 IS SR9A.

...along with I-95 south of the Golden Glades Interchange.

I forgot about that. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on April 11, 2012, 12:08:57 AM
Update on the I-95 widening project in Brevard County:

The new inner lanes are paved and guardrails set up between Garden Street (SR 406) and Fox Lake Road and from the Beachline to Port St. John Parkway.  Grading and preparations for paving are occurring from south of the Fox Lake Road overpass to State Road 50 and from the Port St. John Parkway overpass to just short of the Ranch Road overpass.

Progress is also being made on widening the bridge over the Addison Canal and the widening of the interstate at the SR 50 interchange (the last time I took that exit they were setting pilings for the bridge).

The only areas not yet touched are between north of Ranch Road and south of the Addison Canal, but they seem to be moving at a good clip.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 11, 2012, 05:47:53 PM
(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fdot_clearview_sign_on_i-10.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fdot_clearview_sign_on_i-10.jpg)

The recently observed FDOT-installed Clearview sign along Interstate 10.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on April 12, 2012, 07:34:38 PM
FDOT is planning a Baldwin bypass on US 301: http://www.us301northflorida.com/us301northflorida/News/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=69
Interesting that they bought right-of-way in the 1970s.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 14, 2012, 05:03:37 AM
I like the routing of the 1970s ROW since it seems to be less tedious and time-consuming than building a completely new intersection south of town which will (from the looks of it) be controlled by a traffic signal. It also keeps traffic on a straighter path through Baldwin.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on April 14, 2012, 06:02:52 AM
The new alignment has the advantage of going over the railroad, a major line from Jacksonville west into the Panhandle.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on April 14, 2012, 07:53:15 PM
Quote from: formulanone on March 11, 2012, 03:02:09 AM
Found this three weeks ago...about the only reference to SR 821 in the field:
Before they pulled out the toll booths and replaced the HEFT signage in the last year or so, the BGS's on northbound US 27 near that exit actually had FL 821 shields posted on them.  I thought I had a picture of that assembly but I'll be darned if I can find it now.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on April 14, 2012, 08:25:30 PM
Quote from: mefailenglish on April 14, 2012, 07:53:15 PM
Quote from: formulanone on March 11, 2012, 03:02:09 AM
Found this three weeks ago...about the only reference to SR 821 in the field:
Before they pulled out the toll booths and replaced the HEFT signage in the last year or so, the BGS's on northbound US 27 near that exit actually had FL 821 shields posted on them.  I thought I had a picture of that assembly but I'll be darned if I can find it now.

Okay, so I know I'm not going nuts...saw that myself back in '93. Maybe it's because  US 27 was the original terminus of the HEFT, or that everything around a US Route always seems to demand a greater level of "precision" in signage.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 15, 2012, 12:04:52 PM
Quote from: florida on March 16, 2012, 12:09:03 AM
^^I like that!

On Sunday, I tracked across North Florida to get some last keys shields photographed.

-ALL colored shields along Alt 27 in Levy County are gone. The only holdout may be CR 241.
Even this one on Southbound Levy CR 341?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg111.imagevenue.com%2Floc65%2Fth_01458_US19_98_ALT27SignonLCR341Nov_282005_122_65lo.jpg&hash=d8b7ce4463894955c1a29b13980348ed613b0f6c) (http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=01458_US19_98_ALT27SignonLCR341Nov_282005_122_65lo.jpg)
That sucks. It also sucks that I can't get a bigger version posted on Image Venue.



Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 15, 2012, 02:36:23 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on April 15, 2012, 12:04:52 PM
Quote from: florida on March 16, 2012, 12:09:03 AM
^^I like that!

On Sunday, I tracked across North Florida to get some last keys shields photographed.

-ALL colored shields along Alt 27 in Levy County are gone. The only holdout may be CR 241.
Even this one on Southbound Levy CR 341?
That sucks. It also sucks that I can't get a bigger version posted on Image Venue.


Yes, verified that was gone in December 2011. As mefailenglish reported, none of the US 19-27A-98 colored shields are left.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on April 15, 2012, 07:50:25 PM
Quote from: Alex on April 15, 2012, 02:36:23 PM
Yes, verified that was gone in December 2011. As mefailenglish reported, none of the US 19-27A-98 colored shields are left.
If it's any consolation, I found a couple of "new" (to me) Green 27 shields this weekend while roading around Glades, Hendry, and Highlands Counties.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg36%2Fjcm9572%2F20120414%2520-%2520Glades-Highlands%2FDSCF0008.jpg&hash=a57f3e5c140a318244775043929657fb6660fde3)
Instead of taking 27 up the whole way, I decided to drive CR 720, which loops much closer to Lake Okeechobee than US 27.  It's a narrow two-lane road with a rather sharp (for Florida standards) dropoff on either side.  This was the only shield I saw in either direction along the entire route.  I almost hit a baby gator who was lying half on the shoulder/incline and half in my lane.  He moved out of my way in time.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg36%2Fjcm9572%2F20120414%2520-%2520Glades-Highlands%2FDSCF0015.jpg&hash=4ac2d6a2498ac8feeb54642cb62c602f07846da7)
The only Glades CR 721A shield on the route.  It's a spur of CR 721 in the middle of the Brighton Seminole reservation.  I took this route on my way back south; it turned into a dirt road (Red Barn Road) and ends at the bizarre stub of CR 74 (http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg36/jcm9572/20120414%20-%20Glades-Highlands/DSCF0016.jpg) (which is signed North despite running due east/west) in Lakeport.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg36%2Fjcm9572%2F20120414%2520-%2520Glades-Highlands%2FDSCF0014.jpg&hash=81ca31406dd242ffce18a4fd2c82502220df82b7)
This C-721 shield is posted just south of SR 70.

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Here's one of them.  On CR 17 north of Lake Placid (the piece of CR 17 that runs between US 27 and US 98).

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Here's the other.  This one is on CR 29, south of Lake Placid.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 15, 2012, 10:54:44 PM
Is FL 56 ever going to go beyond Bruce B. Downs Boulevard in Pasco County?  FL 54 is too congested from I-75 to Zephyrhills and there is hardly any ROW to widen it, and extending FL 56 as a four lane expressway with it zoned for no businesses would be best all the way to FL 39.  Right now from Orlando to Pasco County you need to either go west on SR 50 to I-75 or I-4 to either US 98 or SR 39 or all the way to I-75 to reach there. 

If you went all the way to the New Port Richey area having FL 56 to FL 39 would be a godsend as you would have a nice clean run if this corridor was completed to here at least.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on April 15, 2012, 11:04:17 PM
CR 720 is not to be fooled with in Glades County; zero run-off for much of the route. It used to be in really poor shape (no guardrails, very bumpy) until recently.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on April 15, 2012, 11:39:50 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 15, 2012, 10:54:44 PM
Is FL 56 ever going to go beyond Bruce B. Downs Boulevard in Pasco County?
It already does. It's planned to go farther to SR 39. See page 11/38 of the summary report here: http://www.pascocountyfl.net/index.aspx?NID=327
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 16, 2012, 06:49:50 PM
Quote from: NE2 on April 15, 2012, 11:39:50 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 15, 2012, 10:54:44 PM
Is FL 56 ever going to go beyond Bruce B. Downs Boulevard in Pasco County?
It already does. It's planned to go farther to SR 39. See page 11/38 of the summary report here: http://www.pascocountyfl.net/index.aspx?NID=327
Right now it only goes to Meadow Pointe Boulevard, but I thought the eastern terminus was supposed to be at US 301.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 17, 2012, 12:21:40 AM
Very interesting...

SR 160 has been added to the SHS on March 26th. It consists of Timberlane Road between SR 61 (Thomasville Rd) and SR 261/US 319 (Capital Circle NE) for a total of 0.114 miles.

So this is SR 162's (Raymond Diehl Rd) little sibling.


EtA: SR 293 from the just north of the Toll Plaza to SR 20 has been turned over to Okaloosa County (1.676 miles), and a tiny section near the toll plaza where the realigned portion is has been physically removed with the r/w retained per a realignment (0.139 miles).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on April 17, 2012, 01:07:56 AM
Quote from: florida on April 17, 2012, 12:21:40 AM
SR 160 has been added to the SHS on March 26th. It consists of Timberlane Road between SR 61 (Thomasville Rd) and SR 261/US 319 (Capital Circle NE) for a total of 0.114 miles.
Is this signed for any movements? Seems that they could close the left from SR 61 north onto I-10 west by using this.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 17, 2012, 01:15:15 AM
Quote from: NE2 on April 17, 2012, 01:07:56 AM
Quote from: florida on April 17, 2012, 12:21:40 AM
SR 160 has been added to the SHS on March 26th. It consists of Timberlane Road between SR 61 (Thomasville Rd) and SR 261/US 319 (Capital Circle NE) for a total of 0.114 miles.
Is this signed for any movements? Seems that they could close the left from SR 61 north onto I-10 west by using this.

Now, it's just a single, stand-alone 'TO I-10' trailblazer. I'm pretty sure previous to the additional I-10 interchange on US 319 itself it was signed for I-10 West if you were coming north on US 319. [Will locate some photos of mine to see if I took any.]
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 22, 2012, 06:57:24 AM
FL-392A seems to be having an identity crisis.  At both of it's ends @ FL-30, it's posted at FL-392 (1 (http://g.co/maps/euzgy), 2 (http://g.co/maps/ueytj), & 3 (http://g.co/maps/s2f8w)).  However, I've found the following two+ shields (1 (http://g.co/maps/z5xx9) & 2 (http://g.co/maps/f3gtg)) in the middle of the route that have the "A" in them.  I know, the GIS data shows the route as 392A, but FDOT needs to post it properly as 392A or just renumber it as 392.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on April 22, 2012, 07:43:39 AM
Or make it part of 30.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 26, 2012, 03:08:26 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 22, 2012, 06:57:24 AM
FL-392A seems to be having an identity crisis.  At both of it's ends @ FL-30, it's posted at FL-392 (1 (http://g.co/maps/euzgy), 2 (http://g.co/maps/ueytj), & 3 (http://g.co/maps/s2f8w)).  However, I've found the following two+ shields (1 (http://g.co/maps/z5xx9) & 2 (http://g.co/maps/f3gtg)) in the middle of the route that have the "A" in them.  I know, the GIS data shows the route as 392A, but FDOT needs to post it properly as 392A or just renumber it as 392.

There's also a couple of Keys shields on a side road stating 392.
-----------------------

Took a trip to the Jacksonville area earlier today.

Things that have been removed:
-The C-110 shield on Duval Road
-Former US 17's routing on Roosevelt, now street-signed as Old Roosevelt, between US 17 and SR 129. All four lanes of concrete have been completely ripped up. Also, part of Post Street between McDuff and the former one-way pair split has been completely ripped up. Any traffic signals facing in either of those directions have been body-bagged.
-SR 9A shields on the East Beltway. It's all signed as I-295 [except the signs have not been changed on I-95 NB at Exit 337]. Heading south on I-295 from Orange Park, the I-95 exit is listed as Exit 61A-B even though you just passed Exit 3 (Old St. Augustine Rd).

Newly discovered items:
-The Clark Road on-ramp indeed has a button-copy BGS for I-95. All of it is button-copy except for the shield.
-Not one, but TWO S-125 shields tucked away in Baker County. The dates on the back looked to be stamped 1968 and they haven't changed any bit since then.
-The two C-15A shields in Nassau County. Probably because the road itself is not signed properly  at its termini.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 26, 2012, 03:26:06 AM
Quote from: florida on April 26, 2012, 03:08:26 AM
Things that have been removed:
-The C-110 shield on Duval Road

Dang it, I wanted to get a new shot of it the next time I was down there with my new camera. :(

Quote from: florida on April 26, 2012, 03:08:26 AM
-SR 9A shields on the East Beltway. It's all signed as I-295 [except the signs have not been changed on I-95 NB at Exit 337]. Heading south on I-295 from Orange Park, the I-95 exit is listed as Exit 61A-B even though you just passed Exit 3 (Old St. Augustine Rd).

It's been posted as 61A/B since the entire interchange opened once reconstructed. I have pictures from at least '06 showing the numbers.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 26, 2012, 05:56:20 PM
I wrote FDOT about the lack of CR 399 signage on US 98 at Navarre Beach Causeway (there is only one sign, and it is an eastbound JCT shield) in December. Received a copy of a traffic operations request evaluation/recommendation yesterday for the installation of the missing signs.

CR 399 was FL 399, but maintenance of the roadway was turned over from the state to the county in 2004 when tolls were removed from the Navarre Beach Bridge. State road signage was still in place until sometime in 2006, when all shields disappeared. More at https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=c0399fl
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on April 26, 2012, 06:46:17 PM
Quote from: florida on April 26, 2012, 03:08:26 AM
-The two C-15A shields in Nassau County. Probably because the road itself is not signed properly  at its termini.
I stumbled on one of those just by pure accident.  Caught it out of the corner of my eye while driving up 301.

Quote from: florida on April 26, 2012, 03:08:26 AM
-Not one, but TWO S-125 shields tucked away in Baker County. The dates on the back looked to be stamped 1968 and they haven't changed any bit since then.
NICE.  Looks like I need to head to Baker County.  Maybe in two weeks.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on May 05, 2012, 01:47:57 PM
Some highlights from the past month.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FP4250506.jpg&hash=489b160593f650a76b137051e563cd04d116f80c)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FP3110339.jpg&hash=045ec3b840fcaefffc02ff02da52b77f17d115b6)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FP3110275.jpg&hash=ecf5d057ef0026e5d1598055bdd77c54023d3ce5)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FP3100015.jpg&hash=4a41870149cdfc2925d709b2ac66bbbcacc0cf60)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on May 05, 2012, 01:50:57 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FP3100017-1-1.jpg&hash=c615f13994b841c476395e7c8f17664e3229fc63)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FP3110294.jpg&hash=efdbeab1d50ec3180cbc84b78d8ea941fa194c6d)

This is on Clark Road in Jax.
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Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on May 05, 2012, 02:04:59 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 26, 2012, 03:26:06 AM

Quote from: florida on April 26, 2012, 03:08:26 AM
-SR 9A shields on the East Beltway. It's all signed as I-295 [except the signs have not been changed on I-95 NB at Exit 337]. Heading south on I-295 from Orange Park, the I-95 exit is listed as Exit 61A-B even though you just passed Exit 3 (Old St. Augustine Rd).

It's been posted as 61A/B since the entire interchange opened once reconstructed. I have pictures from at least '06 showing the numbers.

I didn't realize it was posted like that. Hadn't been on that stretch of I-295 since it was connected with SR 9A.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 07, 2012, 06:41:38 PM
I see a new overpass being constructed across I-4 in the Lake Buena Vista area.  The project takes place between Central Florida Parkway (Exit 71) and SR 535 (Exit 68).   Piles are now driven in to the ground for the retaining walls, but I was wondering what road this will be when completed.

Of course it is a developer to the east side of the interstate flipping the bill for his development.  Will it go between two major roads when completed, or is it just a spur of Palm Parkway where I assume it will connect west of I-4?

Also, new signage has been erected EB on I-4 at SR 528 with the airport logos with the International Airport along with the two full gantries removed.  Now the two at exit signs are on half gantries and up to date and with the airplane logo it should help international tourists out better.  I have not been this way in months, so I assume it was done earlier this year sometime.  Around Christmas last year the old signs were still up when I visited there last.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 07, 2012, 06:52:10 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 07, 2012, 06:41:38 PM
I see a new overpass being constructed across I-4 in the Lake Buena Vista area.  The project takes place between Central Florida Parkway (Exit 71) and SR 535 (Exit 68).   Piles are now driven in to the ground for the retaining walls, but I was wondering what road this will be when completed.
http://www.ocfl.net/TrafficTransportation/RoadwayProjects/WildwoodAreaRoadNetworkIIRCA.aspx
The road will be named Wildwood Avenue.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on May 09, 2012, 12:27:01 PM
New State Road 429 Toll shields with the yellow banners are making their appearances in Orlando. These are at the intersection of FL 429 and Orange CR 535.

There are still some green-bannered trailblazers posted closer to the actual on/off-ramps. The original green-bannered signs that these yellow-bannered ones replaced seemed to be in good condition (at least last time I saw them in October of last year), so ... I guess there goes the assumption that the old signs are being replaced as they wear out.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2Froads%2F2012-05-09_Yellow429Toll%2FWP_000354.jpg&hash=68c649a295dc82486ca2c67765011eff52e7d5f6)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2Froads%2F2012-05-09_Yellow429Toll%2FWP_000355.jpg&hash=e1dcd1bbc744256f64f04af1a3f5a336f6a04dbf)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2Froads%2F2012-05-09_Yellow429Toll%2FWP_000362.jpg&hash=5a5f144aadb91ac52ef1d32cc66e7a0e16edd40c)

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Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on May 09, 2012, 01:14:04 PM
Florida enjoys replacing perfectly good (or even great) signs with new ones. In about 5 years, the orange border will fade...although I kind of like the orange border.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 09, 2012, 01:32:29 PM
Quote from: formulanone on May 09, 2012, 01:14:04 PM
Florida enjoys replacing perfectly good (or even great) signs with new ones.

even the counties are getting into it now ... but luckily there still remain signs as old as the late 1950s if you know where to look.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 09, 2012, 07:39:26 PM
I liked the orange outline with the green banner, but am I the only one here who doesn't like the look of the orange outline with the yellow banner?

At least they seem to be keeping the green for reassurance markers.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on May 10, 2012, 12:18:29 PM
I think the orange state outline with the yellow toll banner looks funky too. The two colors don't really go together in my opinion. The green and orange sort of reminds me of an orange tree (now that I think about it) which is very appropriate for Florida. But the black state outline with the yellow toll banner signs are really growing on me and I'm starting to like those more and more.

Also, I'm expecting them to replace the shields on directional signs on BGSs (they did some in Miami) but those are of course more expensive than simple trailblazers or standalone directional signs/reassurance markers.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on May 10, 2012, 01:07:45 PM
Quote from: formulanone on April 15, 2012, 11:04:17 PM
CR 720 is not to be fooled with in Glades County; zero run-off for much of the route. It used to be in really poor shape (no guardrails, very bumpy) until recently.

Surprising since it was a Primary State Road and was the last SR decommissioned in the early 80s, down in Glades County.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on May 10, 2012, 02:13:14 PM
I got a chance to check out the new alignment and construction on SR 429 today. Not sure if this was mentioned earlier in the thread, so I'll just post my observations.

As of today, there is still not complete direct access to/from 429 and 414. 429 at the 414 interchange is reduced to one lane in each direction, and lanes from 414 (when they open) join to 429 to make it two lanes in each direction again.

On 429 north of 414 (both directions) there are new mileposts that reference SR 451. South of the interchange, the mileposts are the same, but have SR 429 on them. The mileposts are similar to Louisiana's where they post the direction, road shield, and mile number on a "uni-sign". The ones on 429 (and on "unmarked" 451) appear to be posted every half mile. I haven't gotten a chance to drive on any other toll roads yet (except for the Turnpike) on this trip, but I will probably get a chance to drive on 408 so I'll report if 408 has these new mileposts as well.

On 429 as well as on "unmarked" 451, the reassurance markers are also uni-signs, but I didn't catch any 451 reassurance markers - the 451 number is only on the mileposts.

It appears a new sign bridge is going up just north of the Forest Park toll barrier. The sign bridge has BGSs for CR 437 (or 437A) on one side and the E-Pass/Cash lanes signs for the other side. I didn't get a chance to get a picture of these because the sign bridge was sideways in the median of the roadway.

I took some other miscellaneous pictures of the mileposts, reassurance markers, and construction and I'll post these as soon as I get them from my camera.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on May 10, 2012, 02:35:45 PM
New mileposts with State Road 451. Mileage starts at the interchange of 429, 414, and future 451.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2Froads%2F2012-05-10_429NewAlignment%2FWP_000365.jpg&hash=32d9a143725140a0fff15c1248fa7e01a1e36cda)

New BGSs for accessing 414 East from 429 South and future 451 South.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2Froads%2F2012-05-10_429NewAlignment%2FWP_000367.jpg&hash=6e4c44902913bcde54e728725918a0674a0eb613)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2Froads%2F2012-05-10_429NewAlignment%2FWP_000368.jpg&hash=d6fb4806df99faa4926c45906890351ad73fa8b1)

"TO State Road 429 South". Because under this overpass are the lanes for future 429 (and future 414?).

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2Froads%2F2012-05-10_429NewAlignment%2FWP_000377.jpg&hash=c1ad807f58fc466df3ca041611cddaad6e1852b9)

These are the aforementioned lanes of future 429:

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(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2Froads%2F2012-05-10_429NewAlignment%2FWP_000387.jpg&hash=22ddb50a53b2fc3e9505d89fd29dd180dd9f8478)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2Froads%2F2012-05-10_429NewAlignment%2FWP_000390.jpg&hash=b8cb6517b9d5a3d9b3535d4541672e0b7d5068e4)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2Froads%2F2012-05-10_429NewAlignment%2FWP_000391.jpg&hash=0d37da43a27c5a613213c7001fbe24c16e4fd726)

And the last picture: the uni-sign reassurance marker for SR 429.

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Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 10, 2012, 02:42:12 PM
Photos from February, before the new direct ramp from 429 south to 414 east opened: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg134673#msg134673

The remaining connections between 414 and 429 will open Sunday: https://www.oocea.com/TravelersExpressways/UpdatesAlerts/AlertDetails.aspx?id=48
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on May 10, 2012, 02:49:50 PM
Thanks for the news link, NE2. I've been out of Florida for about 9 months so I've been out of the loop with all the new construction going on. I feel kind of lucky to have captured the last remaining days before the new connections open.

I'll try to get up there again with a dedicated photographer with a MUCH better camera to document the last few days of construction.

It's nice to see all the construction coming together now.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 19, 2012, 06:22:33 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 21, 2012, 03:36:09 PM
Huh. They finally changed CR 6. FDOT actually inventories it as CR 675 except for the westernmost 3/4 mile (west of Gillette, where old SR 683 turned south).
Really? I'm getting CR 675 on two other roads:
http://www.dot.state.fl.us/surveyingandmapping/geomap/Mana_c.pdf

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 19, 2012, 06:41:19 PM
The federal aid report shows it as CR 675: http://www.dot.state.fl.us/planning/statistics/fedaid/fedaidrpt.pdf p. 20
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 20, 2012, 11:30:08 AM
SR 429 north today:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi49.tinypic.com%2Fsc9d9s.jpg&hash=b53d3cd755ebc2b50f1ff04e8d25d6aa4f97fa06)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi46.tinypic.com%2Fndps8m.jpg&hash=3314cb91ceb97ba1e8b354fdbbc134d30defc2dc)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi47.tinypic.com%2F15379cl.jpg&hash=ed7005559258e110fe4b22e37e9844d5d4b692af)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi48.tinypic.com%2Fn51kt3.jpg&hash=f2ff17c47fa3d0d8476534b50b47a6eaf5f00b52)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on May 26, 2012, 02:15:03 PM
They recently activated variable speed limit signs on US 27 in Broward County between Pines Blvd and Griffin Rd (the stretch where the speed limit drops from 65 to 55 and 50).  I'm going to try to get some pictures tomorrow.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on May 28, 2012, 01:45:15 AM
For those interested, Straight-Line Diagrams are now available!

http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/straight-linesonline/home.aspx


edit:
Some interesting notes. SR 527 is shown being concurrent with SR 426 from the split-off up to Park Avenue, so that'd make SR 527 have three separate sections.

Lots of I-95 on- and off-ramps are listed in Palm Beach County.

SR 48 is shown concurrent with SR 19 from CR 48 to Central Ave in Howey-in-the-Hills.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on May 28, 2012, 09:43:45 AM
The variable speed limit zone on US 27 (FL 25) in Broward County:

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Heading northbound past Pembroke Road.

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Approaching Pines Blvd/FL 820.  The variable speed limit signs shows 50 mph, which is exactly what the old sign showed.

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Farther up, beyond Sheridan St.  The variable speed limit sign shows 55 mph, again exactly what the old sign showed.

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The variable speed limit zone ends beyond Griffin Rd.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on May 31, 2012, 01:50:16 AM
New, but not-so new proposal for a future SR 313 in St. Augustine.

ftp://ftp.bocc.co.st-johns.fl.us/gis/media/MapMart/SR313.pdf
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on June 02, 2012, 02:24:05 PM
Had some business to take care of in Fort Pierce Thursday so I was able to take a look at the construction progress of widening I-95 in St. Lucie County.

Construction is in full swing from the section of I-95 between SR 60 in Vero Beach south to SR 70 in Fort Pierce; the new center lanes are paved and guardrails were being put in place between SR 68 (Orange Avenue) and SR 614 (Indrio Road), while the center median strip was being graded and prepared from north of SR 614 to SR 60.  The overpasses at SR 614 and SR 713 are currently being widened as well as the overpass over the canal by the rest stop.

There is also widening taking place from the Brevard/Indian River county line for approximately two miles northward with new asphalt pavement on the traveling lanes.

The widening between SR 406 and SR 528 in Brevard is continuing; the center lanes of the little bridge over the Addison Canal is complete and there are lane shifts to the inner lanes there.  Grading and paving of the center lanes is continuing between Fox Lake Road and SR 50 in Titusville and from just south of Port St. John Parkway to Ranch Road in Port St. John.  The work on the overpass as SR 50 is continuing.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DAL764 on June 03, 2012, 06:43:55 AM
Quote from: florida on May 31, 2012, 01:50:16 AM
New, but not-so new proposal for a future SR 313 in St. Augustine.

ftp://ftp.bocc.co.st-johns.fl.us/gis/media/MapMart/SR313.pdf
I will admit that I haven't been to St. Augustine a long (too damn long) time, but is there really a need for what looks to be a bypass? From what I remember in years past, traffic used to flow quite well on US 1, even despite all the traffic lights, particulary the one at SR-312.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 03, 2012, 10:18:54 AM
I spotted a map showing the proposed 2030 expressway plans of OOCEA
https://www.oocea.com/Portals/0/Images/temp/2030_ConceptDevMap.jpg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on June 03, 2012, 01:34:20 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on June 03, 2012, 10:18:54 AM
I spotted a map showing the proposed 2030 expressway plans of OOCEA
https://www.oocea.com/Portals/0/Images/temp/2030_ConceptDevMap.jpg

I remember seeing this report on their website a year or so ago.

They'll be lucky to get the Wekiva Parkway completed, much less the rest.  I'd love to see the SR 408 extension-the traffic from the current end of the 408 to Bithlo is absolutely atrocious, especially on the weekend; I'd be happy if they just extended it to the 50/520 split.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on June 03, 2012, 05:13:24 PM
For awhile, the OOCEA projected project maps were showing an extension of SR-404 (Pineda Causeway) in Melbourne out to the southern extension of the 417. I guess that wasn't feasible. At least they're showing a shortcut from 192 up to the 417 in St. Cloud.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on June 06, 2012, 01:34:20 PM
Quote from: DAL764 on June 03, 2012, 06:43:55 AM
Quote from: florida on May 31, 2012, 01:50:16 AM
New, but not-so new proposal for a future SR 313 in St. Augustine.

ftp://ftp.bocc.co.st-johns.fl.us/gis/media/MapMart/SR313.pdf
I will admit that I haven't been to St. Augustine a long (too damn long) time, but is there really a need for what looks to be a bypass? From what I remember in years past, traffic used to flow quite well on US 1, even despite all the traffic lights, particulary the one at SR-312.

I'm guessing that they want it for better access to/from St. Augustine Beach to the outlet malls...or as another evacuation route to funnel traffic up to SR 16...or to include better access to Northeast Florida Regional Airport from I-95.

The only good thing about the road is it will be limited access with two interchanges, one at CR 214 and the other at SR 16.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 06, 2012, 01:39:16 PM
Quote from: florida on June 06, 2012, 01:34:20 PM
The only good thing about the road is it will be limited access with two interchanges, one at CR 214 and the other at SR 16.
Is there a map showing the interchanges? Or have plans not been finalized?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on June 06, 2012, 01:51:00 PM
Quote from: NE2 on June 06, 2012, 01:39:16 PM
Quote from: florida on June 06, 2012, 01:34:20 PM
The only good thing about the road is it will be limited access with two interchanges, one at CR 214 and the other at SR 16.
Is there a map showing the interchanges? Or have plans not been finalized?

Yes and yes. This is the map:
ftp://ftp.bocc.co.st-johns.fl.us/gis/media/MapMart/SR313.pdf

Related articles:
http://staugustine.firstcoastnews.com/news/transportation/69443-fdot-public-hearing-thursday-proposed-western-bypass

http://m.staugustine.com/news/local-news/2012-01-12
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 06, 2012, 02:13:35 PM
Quote from: florida on June 06, 2012, 01:51:00 PM
Quote from: NE2 on June 06, 2012, 01:39:16 PM
Quote from: florida on June 06, 2012, 01:34:20 PM
The only good thing about the road is it will be limited access with two interchanges, one at CR 214 and the other at SR 16.
Is there a map showing the interchanges? Or have plans not been finalized?

Yes and yes. This is the map:
ftp://ftp.bocc.co.st-johns.fl.us/gis/media/MapMart/SR313.pdf

Wrong link? All I see is at-grade intersections.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on June 06, 2012, 03:04:56 PM
Quote from: DAL764 on June 03, 2012, 06:43:55 AM
Quote from: florida on May 31, 2012, 01:50:16 AM
New, but not-so new proposal for a future SR 313 in St. Augustine.

ftp://ftp.bocc.co.st-johns.fl.us/gis/media/MapMart/SR313.pdf
I will admit that I haven't been to St. Augustine a long (too damn long) time, but is there really a need for what looks to be a bypass? From what I remember in years past, traffic used to flow quite well on US 1, even despite all the traffic lights, particulary the one at SR-312.

St Augustine is really becoming more and more a suburb of Jacksonville.  Northern St Johns County is pretty much suburbs.  The entire county is growing and Flagler County to the south has grown tremendously... in 2000 it was the fastest grwoing county in the US. St A is the bigger shopping destination for Palm Coast. 

The growth added to the tourist traffic has St A pretty congested especially from CR 214 to SR 312.  US 1 from Jax to St A used to be faster than taking 95 the speed limit was 65 for most of the way... not so much anymore. There are a lot more traffic lights and busineses in Southern Duval and Norhtern St Johns
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on June 06, 2012, 06:37:58 PM
Quote from: NE2 on June 06, 2012, 02:13:35 PM

Wrong link? All I see is at-grade intersections.

http://www.co.st-johns.fl.us/media/LegislativeActionPlan.pdf

"g) Funding assistance is requested for two portions of the SR 313 Extension/Bypass: the southern portion of the SR 313 Bypass, between the SR 16 interchange, and the current terminus of SR 312 at SR 207."

This was the last thing I read about this project, so that stuck with me. My bad, they are at-grade intersections.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DAL764 on June 07, 2012, 05:55:17 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on June 06, 2012, 03:04:56 PMSt Augustine is really becoming more and more a suburb of Jacksonville.  Northern St Johns County is pretty much suburbs.  The entire county is growing and Flagler County to the south has grown tremendously... in 2000 it was the fastest grwoing county in the US. St A is the bigger shopping destination for Palm Coast. 

The growth added to the tourist traffic has St A pretty congested especially from CR 214 to SR 312.  US 1 from Jax to St A used to be faster than taking 95 the speed limit was 65 for most of the way... not so much anymore. There are a lot more traffic lights and busineses in Southern Duval and Norhtern St Johns
Truth be told I had completely forgotten about all the massive growth in between JAX and St. Augustine, particularly Nocatee. And true, US-1 used to be a rather relaxing drive, pretty much going past nothing at all, and now it's covered with traffic lights and freeway interchanges.

As a side, is the Bridge of Lions still a massive bottleneck? Can only imagine what a pain it must be with all the traffic growth.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: meestersam on June 07, 2012, 04:51:28 PM
I used to live in Auggy Dog, and for a town of like 15,000 people, the traffic can be brutal.  The Bridge of Lions gets terrible on tourist weekends especially, but at least it looks pretty nice now that they've completed the rehab project. 

I think a bypass like 313 would be awesome, as I used to dread the drive up US 1 from 312 to past the airport north of town.  People coming from A1A South or US 1 South to Jax would definitely benefit from it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on June 09, 2012, 05:13:01 PM
On my quarterly business trip to Miami yesterday, I saw that the BGS for Interstates 75 and 595 at the southern end of the Sawgrass Expressway (FL 869) in Sunrise, FL has been removed and replaced with a Autobahn-style sign with upward pointing arrows. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: stormwatch7721 on June 14, 2012, 11:54:56 AM
When I went to The Seminole Towne Center Mall back on June 9th, There is construction(sp?) going on at SR 46 at I-4. Can anybody tell me what kind of project it is?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 14, 2012, 02:40:27 PM
Quote from: stormwatch7721 on June 14, 2012, 11:54:56 AM
When I went to The Seminole Towne Center Mall back on June 9th, There is construction(sp?) going on at SR 46 at I-4. Can anybody tell me what kind of project it is?

Adding a loop from 46 west to 4 west and extending the C/D road.
http://www.cflroads.com/Project/Details/101/407573-1_I-4_Interchange_at_SR_46
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.81006&lon=-81.33897&zoom=17&layers=M
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: stormwatch7721 on June 14, 2012, 09:42:30 PM
Oh okay, but looks like there will be no way to get to SR 46 from I-4 west when it's completed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 14, 2012, 10:02:28 PM
Quote from: stormwatch7721 on June 14, 2012, 09:42:30 PM
Oh okay, but looks like there will be no way to get to SR 46 from I-4 west when it's completed.

Of course there will - it'll be a standard 5-ramp parclo.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on June 25, 2012, 10:29:09 PM
I ran a bunch of errands over last weekend, and found out that this one:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F09%2FWhiteTurnpikeSignSR804.jpg&hash=47b456189a007a6a76664084d36f548aa2fab33d)

...was replaced by a conventional green sign.

And another button copy sign is missing due to construction on Glades Road (SR 808) at I-95...

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Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 26, 2012, 02:34:25 AM
FL-3 has now received "END (http://goo.gl/maps/RMpw)" and "BEGIN (http://goo.gl/maps/cNyC)" shields where the route enters the Kennedy Space Center property.  Spotted this while playing around in StreetView tonight.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on July 02, 2012, 09:18:51 AM
Quote from: mefailenglish on May 28, 2012, 09:43:45 AM
The variable speed limit zone on US 27 (FL 25) in Broward County:

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The variable speed limit zone ends beyond Griffin Rd.

We drove through that variable speed limit zone several times last week when visiting relatives–my brother-in-law lives in Pembroke Pines north of Pines Boulevard and we were staying at a timeshare exchange in Weston, so the route we used most often involved Sheridan Street to US-27 north to Griffin, then east to Bonaventure and north to the condo. (We did go all the way down to Pines Boulevard one time, but it took longer and we didn't repeat it.) The variable speed limit signs were set at 50 mph every time we went through. I found myself wondering what criteria they use to set the speed limit on there. We didn't go through during bad weather, although we did pass through at night. Also, why such a short stretch of variable speed limits? I assume perhaps it's just because that one stretch has a few intersections and then to the north and south there's basically nothing along that road?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on July 02, 2012, 10:53:52 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 02, 2012, 09:18:51 AM
Also, why such a short stretch of variable speed limits? I assume perhaps it's just because that one stretch has a few intersections and then to the north and south there's basically nothing along that road?

I think the main reason is because of West Broward High School (http://www.broward.k12.fl.us/westbrowardhigh/), in which traffic (both vehicular and pedestrian) is a non-issue until that point, and can suddenly become congested. That high school is only about four years old, so perhaps it gets the "latest toys", but it really is the only one in Broward County near anything considered rural.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on July 02, 2012, 11:28:11 AM
Quote from: formulanone on July 02, 2012, 10:53:52 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 02, 2012, 09:18:51 AM
Also, why such a short stretch of variable speed limits? I assume perhaps it's just because that one stretch has a few intersections and then to the north and south there's basically nothing along that road?

I think the main reason is because of West Broward High School (http://www.broward.k12.fl.us/westbrowardhigh/), in which traffic (both vehicular and pedestrian) is a non-issue until that point, and can suddenly become congested. That high school is only about four years old, so perhaps it gets the "latest toys", but it really is the only one in Broward County near anything considered rural.

That makes sense, and indeed I noticed last Monday or Tuesday that the "School 15 mph" light was flashing at one point for some reason (maybe summer school, although there was no activity apparent).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on July 04, 2012, 10:51:28 AM
Does anyone know why FDOT removed all the overhead gantries at the FL A1A and FL 520 intersection that were once there back in the early 80's?  I remember back in 83 that there was four overhead gantries on FL A1A (2 for north and 2 for south) and two on FL 520, and then after moving to Florida in 1990, I noticed that they were all gone then.

I know its been quite a while and some of you might of not been born yet, but it seems very strange unless the City of Cocoa Beach did not like it and forced FDOT to remove them all.  They could easily do it by passing an ordinance just like many places  have that will not allow large business signs anymore or even signs that exceed certain heights.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on July 05, 2012, 09:16:33 PM
Another quarterly report for additions/deletions came out.

-SR 329 deleted from Depot Ave to University Ave [to Alachua County, 0.516 miles, on 4/25]

-SR 293 added on new alignment from the Toll Plaza to Range Road [2.757 miles, added 5/22]

-SR 707 (in Martin County) deleted from US 1 @ MP 20.681 to Cardinal Ave/Savannah Rd [from State to City, 1.760 miles, on 6/6]
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on July 06, 2012, 09:01:36 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 04, 2012, 10:51:28 AM
Does anyone know why FDOT removed all the overhead gantries at the FL A1A and FL 520 intersection that were once there back in the early 80's?  I remember back in 83 that there was four overhead gantries on FL A1A (2 for north and 2 for south) and two on FL 520, and then after moving to Florida in 1990, I noticed that they were all gone then.

I know its been quite a while and some of you might of not been born yet, but it seems very strange unless the City of Cocoa Beach did not like it and forced FDOT to remove them all.  They could easily do it by passing an ordinance just like many places  have that will not allow large business signs anymore or even signs that exceed certain heights.

I'd be very surprised if Cocoa Beach had the authority to regulate FDOT.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on July 07, 2012, 09:18:36 PM
Quote from: realjd on July 06, 2012, 09:01:36 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 04, 2012, 10:51:28 AM
Does anyone know why FDOT removed all the overhead gantries at the FL A1A and FL 520 intersection that were once there back in the early 80's?  I remember back in 83 that there was four overhead gantries on FL A1A (2 for north and 2 for south) and two on FL 520, and then after moving to Florida in 1990, I noticed that they were all gone then.

I know its been quite a while and some of you might of not been born yet, but it seems very strange unless the City of Cocoa Beach did not like it and forced FDOT to remove them all.  They could easily do it by passing an ordinance just like many places  have that will not allow large business signs anymore or even signs that exceed certain heights.

I'd be very surprised if Cocoa Beach had the authority to regulate FDOT.
You be a bit suprised what small cities can do.  If they have the right persuasion with somebody in Tallahassee it can be done or if the community gets too involved and puts pressure in the right places.   
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on July 28, 2012, 10:13:05 AM
Fairly new tip; During the winter of 2011-2012, Sumter County started putting CR 476 "W" signs at some locations. These two are at the north end of Sumter CR 476B, and were taken in March 2012.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FlS0HU.jpg&hash=35186a942bfba86e69f6d92be3420dc9aa68df16)
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Sorry, I can't make them smaller, and I don't have any "CR 476E" signs yet.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on July 28, 2012, 11:09:29 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on July 28, 2012, 10:13:05 AM
Fairly new tip; During the winter of 2011-2012, Sumter County started putting CR 476 "W" signs at some locations. These two are at the north end of Sumter CR 476B, and were taken in March 2012.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FyxQm6.jpg&hash=f13246171b16041f171f637656a76c55e10b1314)

Sorry, I can't make them smaller, and I don't have any "CR 476E" signs yet.
That second one would indicate that they're not using the W and E for directionality. (Millburn, NJ briefly signed the one-way pair carrying CR 527 and 577 as 527W/E and 577W/E, but was told to knock it off by the DOT or the county.) So what gives? If it's a fork in the road, an EB/WB road should be "476N" and "476S".
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on July 28, 2012, 01:53:21 PM
Quote from: formulanone on June 25, 2012, 10:29:09 PM
I ran a bunch of errands over last weekend, and found out that this one:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F09%2FWhiteTurnpikeSignSR804.jpg&hash=47b456189a007a6a76664084d36f548aa2fab33d)

...was replaced by a conventional green sign.

And another button copy sign is missing due to construction on Glades Road (SR 808) at I-95...

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FYamConLinExits.jpg&hash=029dee601beb12950badc06736fd3b598947fef7)
The BGS on Interstate 95 you have illustrated may have been heavily vandalized, even though it is old button copy from the late 80s and 90s when the highway was just six-to-eight lanes.  There is a huge problem in that area of I-95 in Palm Beach County, with defacing of signs, barriers, light poles, etc.

Many signs are scheduled for replacement.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on July 28, 2012, 03:26:58 PM
Quote from: Steve on July 28, 2012, 11:09:29 AM
That second one would indicate that they're not using the W and E for directionality. (Millburn, NJ briefly signed the one-way pair carrying CR 527 and 577 as 527W/E and 577W/E, but was told to knock it off by the DOT or the county.) So what gives? If it's a fork in the road, an EB/WB road should be "476N" and "476S".
The road is split by a merger with Sumter CR 48 in Bushnell, which itself is split by SR 48, which has a merger with US 301.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on July 28, 2012, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on July 28, 2012, 03:26:58 PM
Quote from: Steve on July 28, 2012, 11:09:29 AM
That second one would indicate that they're not using the W and E for directionality. (Millburn, NJ briefly signed the one-way pair carrying CR 527 and 577 as 527W/E and 577W/E, but was told to knock it off by the DOT or the county.) So what gives? If it's a fork in the road, an EB/WB road should be "476N" and "476S".
The road is split by a merger with Sumter CR 48 in Bushnell, which itself is split by SR 48, which has a merger with US 301.

Oh, so "W" is the western segment of the route, then CR 48, then "E" is the eastern segment. Has Florida heard of concurrencies?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on July 28, 2012, 03:45:48 PM
Quote from: Steve on July 28, 2012, 03:36:40 PM
Oh, so "W" is the western segment of the route, then CR 48, then "E" is the eastern segment. Has Florida heard of concurrencies?
Sure they have. They just don't always expose them.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on July 29, 2012, 12:16:01 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on July 28, 2012, 10:13:05 AM
Fairly new tip; During the winter of 2011-2012, Sumter County started putting CR 476 "W" signs at some locations. These two are at the north end of Sumter CR 476B, and were taken in March 2012.

That seems to explain the CR "E-833" sign (http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/E833+CR846signs5.jpg) I spotted about a year ago...this time it's a suffix.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on July 30, 2012, 10:18:44 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on July 28, 2012, 03:45:48 PM
Quote from: Steve on July 28, 2012, 03:36:40 PM
Oh, so "W" is the western segment of the route, then CR 48, then "E" is the eastern segment. Has Florida heard of concurrencies?
Sure they have. They just don't always expose them.


Yeah, with County Routes it depends on the county.

As for directional signs, Citrus CR 44 is signed as 44W, one reassurance shield for Walton CR 183 is signed as 183S going south from Union (CR 183A, B & CR 81A),  and one section of Clay CR 214 is signed as CR 214E going east from SR 100. I don't recall seeing any others.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on August 04, 2012, 11:41:09 AM
Been a while since I reported on matters I-95 in Brevard County, so here's what's currently going on...

On the north end, the new inner lanes are open in both directions at two places and traffic has been shifted to the inner lanes so the outer lane can be repaved, from the interchange at SR 528 (Beachline) to north of the Port St. John interchange and from SR 406 to just north of the Fox Lake Road overpass.  Paving has already begun on the outer lanes from the Beachline to the Port St. John interchange (one layer is down and another needs to be put on).

Widening is progressing well; from just north of the Port St. John interchange to the interchange with SR 407 (Challenger Memorial Parkway), new blacktop has been laid down on the new inner lane and guardrails are being put up.  The same is happening southbound from the Fox Lake Road overpass to the interchange with SR 50.  The work on widening the overpass at SR 50 is ongoing (I do not know if they've started putting concrete beams down).

And a very interesting development at the SR 407 interchange, so at little bit of history is in order: SR 407 is currently a parclo, one of what was once a matching pair with SR 528.  SR 528 was turned into a full cloverleaf in about 2000, but SR 407 remained a parclo with southbound exiting towards the Beachline and northbound towards Titusville; which created a situation with folks who either missed their turnoff with SR 528 towards Orlando northbound or didn't understand that SR 407 was a parclo, what you would end up with were folks heading northbound off I-95 and then making an illegal left turn at the merge back westward on SR 407, including quite a few semis (and I have witnessed both cars and rigs do this over the years).

Well, that's about to change.  I've noticed on my last few trips using that interchange that they have now laid out left turn lanes off the exit ramp both northbound and southbound, so when they are done you will now be able to exit southbound off I-95 and turn towards Titusville or northbound to get to Orlando via the Beachline.  I will also make the assumption that the current signage will be changed to reflect the new movements.

At the south end the widening of the bridge over the canal at the Brevard/Indian River county line is continuing along with the widening of the first two miles into Brevard County.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on August 06, 2012, 09:28:12 PM
FDOT considering toll for I-95/JTB flyover (http://www.wokv.com/news/news/local/fdot-considering-toll-i-95jtb-flyover/nP8pG/)

QuoteFDOT is considering tolling the flyover they want to put between I-95 and JTB, partly to help alleviate the congestion that frequently stops up the Butler exit.  The current lanes would stay and remain free.  The flyover would run on SunPass, so there would be no tollbooths.

The project costs $125 million, which the state doesn't have right now. This comes on the heels of the FDOT's plan to expand 295 and add toll lanes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on August 06, 2012, 10:29:53 PM
Any updates on the US-19 freeway upgrade project in Pinellas County? They started the construction between Whitney Rd. and FL-60/Gulf-to-Bay Blvd. back in 2010. Just wondering how progress is. FLDOT doesn't seem to post photos. The project is notable in that it closes a big gap in the freeway, and modifies the world's first SPUI interchange at FL-60.

http://www.myus19.com/html/pinellas/segment-whitneyto60.html
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on August 07, 2012, 07:54:01 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on August 06, 2012, 10:29:53 PM
The project is notable in that it closes a big gap in the freeway, and modifies the world's first SPUI interchange at FL-60.
There's actually an older one in Fort Worth, but don't tell anyone: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7399.msg165968#msg165968
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 07, 2012, 11:05:53 PM
If anybody wants to get a picture of an error FL-90 shield (http://goo.gl/maps/nbUkw) in Jacksonville along FL-13, might want to do it soon.

I've been talking with FDOT about the "overland" project and the way the signage was going to be and they will be correcting it based on my comments.  Once that project is done, US-1/US-90 will be properly signed along their short multiplex with I-95 in that area and all the error US-1/US-90 signage on Kings Avenue and Prudential Drive will be removed.

Also, on Kings Avenue and Prudential Drive, they will NOT be replacing the US-1/US-90 signage with FL-5 shields. :(  So, FL-5 will remain hidden in the Jacksonville area.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on August 08, 2012, 01:16:05 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 07, 2012, 11:05:53 PM
If anybody wants to get a picture of an error FL-90 shield (http://goo.gl/maps/nbUkw) in Jacksonville along FL-13, might want to do it soon.


I have seen/photographed one or two standard FL 90 shields over the past few years. Okaloosa County also has a pair of oddball FL-90 shields as well:

https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida004/cr-004_wb_app_us-090.jpg
https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida300/cr-393_sb_app_us-090.jpg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DAL764 on August 12, 2012, 08:24:12 AM
Quote from: Alex on August 06, 2012, 09:28:12 PM
FDOT considering toll for I-95/JTB flyover (http://www.wokv.com/news/news/local/fdot-considering-toll-i-95jtb-flyover/nP8pG/)

QuoteFDOT is considering tolling the flyover they want to put between I-95 and JTB, partly to help alleviate the congestion that frequently stops up the Butler exit.  The current lanes would stay and remain free.  The flyover would run on SunPass, so there would be no tollbooths.

The project costs $125 million, which the state doesn't have right now. This comes on the heels of the FDOT's plan to expand 295 and add toll lanes.
I realise construction costs tend to be very high these days, but $125 million for a single flyover? Sounds rather excessive.

Not that I dislike the idea, because I have always thought there'd need to be a true freeway-to-freeway connection between I-95SB and JTB EB to make it a full interchange (while closing the exit to Salisbury Road at the same time).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mstgator on August 14, 2012, 09:32:41 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on August 06, 2012, 10:29:53 PM
Any updates on the US-19 freeway upgrade project in Pinellas County? They started the construction between Whitney Rd. and FL-60/Gulf-to-Bay Blvd. back in 2010. Just wondering how progress is. FLDOT doesn't seem to post photos. The project is notable in that it closes a big gap in the freeway, and modifies the world's first SPUI interchange at FL-60.

http://www.myus19.com/html/pinellas/segment-whitneyto60.html

The schedule at the link you posted seems to be on track so far.  The beam for the southbound span of the FL 60 overpass was removed several months ago in preparation for its replacement (two lanes in each direction are currently crammed into the former northbound side).  Several stretches of the frontage roads between FL 60 and the Whitney Road exit have already been paved, so a January opening for those looks doable for starting work on the thru lanes.  2015 can't come soon enough (another section of freeway upgrade north of Sunset Point just got underway and will wrap up around the same time).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 25, 2012, 04:13:30 PM
Quote from: mstgator on August 14, 2012, 09:32:41 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on August 06, 2012, 10:29:53 PM
Any updates on the US-19 freeway upgrade project in Pinellas County? They started the construction between Whitney Rd. and FL-60/Gulf-to-Bay Blvd. back in 2010. Just wondering how progress is. FLDOT doesn't seem to post photos. The project is notable in that it closes a big gap in the freeway, and modifies the world's first SPUI interchange at FL-60.

http://www.myus19.com/html/pinellas/segment-whitneyto60.html

The schedule at the link you posted seems to be on track so far.  The beam for the southbound span of the FL 60 overpass was removed several months ago in preparation for its replacement (two lanes in each direction are currently crammed into the former northbound side).  Several stretches of the frontage roads between FL 60 and the Whitney Road exit have already been paved, so a January opening for those looks doable for starting work on the thru lanes.  2015 can't come soon enough (another section of freeway upgrade north of Sunset Point just got underway and will wrap up around the same time).
How come US 19 gets to be upgraded to grade separations from many side roads, while in Orlando it many years to get the FL 50 and FL 436 intersection changed to interchange? Plus many other highways in Central Florida need upgraded badly, especially the Sand Lake Road and John Young Parkway intersection that WILL NOT get to be interchanged as part of this Monday's project to widen the present John Young from 4 lanes to 6 lanes from FL 528 to the FL Turnpike bridge that was supposed to include it in its original plan.

The Tampa Bay area seems to be getting many intersection improvements while this metro area just gets more traffic lights as a means to aid traffic flow and in reality turns rural roads into urban arterials.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on August 25, 2012, 05:03:02 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 25, 2012, 04:13:30 PM
How come US 19 gets to be upgraded to grade separations from many side roads, while in Orlando it many years to get the FL 50 and FL 436 intersection changed to interchange?
Duh - SR 50 has a parallel freeway, while US 19 has none.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on August 28, 2012, 11:51:24 AM
Quote from: NE2 on August 25, 2012, 05:03:02 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 25, 2012, 04:13:30 PM
How come US 19 gets to be upgraded to grade separations from many side roads, while in Orlando it many years to get the FL 50 and FL 436 intersection changed to interchange?
Duh - SR 50 has a parallel freeway, while US 19 has none.

Yep... Pinellas County has a high population density, no where to build a parallel freeway without huge ROW costs.  Updgrade what is there is the only solution.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on August 28, 2012, 11:53:48 AM
Quote from: NE2 on August 25, 2012, 05:03:02 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 25, 2012, 04:13:30 PM
How come US 19 gets to be upgraded to grade separations from many side roads, while in Orlando it many years to get the FL 50 and FL 436 intersection changed to interchange?
Duh - SR 50 has a parallel freeway, while US 19 has none.
Quote from: roadman65 on August 25, 2012, 04:13:30 PM
Quote from: mstgator on August 14, 2012, 09:32:41 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on August 06, 2012, 10:29:53 PM
Any updates on the US-19 freeway upgrade project in Pinellas County? They started the construction between Whitney Rd. and FL-60/Gulf-to-Bay Blvd. back in 2010. Just wondering how progress is. FLDOT doesn't seem to post photos. The project is notable in that it closes a big gap in the freeway, and modifies the world's first SPUI interchange at FL-60.

http://www.myus19.com/html/pinellas/segment-whitneyto60.html

The schedule at the link you posted seems to be on track so far.  The beam for the southbound span of the FL 60 overpass was removed several months ago in preparation for its replacement (two lanes in each direction are currently crammed into the former northbound side).  Several stretches of the frontage roads between FL 60 and the Whitney Road exit have already been paved, so a January opening for those looks doable for starting work on the thru lanes.  2015 can't come soon enough (another section of freeway upgrade north of Sunset Point just got underway and will wrap up around the same time).
How come US 19 gets to be upgraded to grade separations from many side roads, while in Orlando it many years to get the FL 50 and FL 436 intersection changed to interchange? Plus many other highways in Central Florida need upgraded badly, especially the Sand Lake Road and John Young Parkway intersection that WILL NOT get to be interchanged as part of this Monday's project to widen the present John Young from 4 lanes to 6 lanes from FL 528 to the FL Turnpike bridge that was supposed to include it in its original plan.

The Tampa Bay area seems to be getting many intersection improvements while this metro area just gets more traffic lights as a means to aid traffic flow and in reality turns rural roads into urban arterials.

Its not just Orlando where rural roads with 65 MPH speedlimits turn into a myriad of traffic lights and target stores.  US1 between Jacksonville and St Augustine for example.  Florida should have some better planning standards.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 28, 2012, 12:15:07 PM
Orlando is a terrifying place.  126 lights on US-441.  six of them green when I drove through on a random Tuesday afternoon.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on August 28, 2012, 02:36:12 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 28, 2012, 12:15:07 PM
Orlando is a terrifying place.  126 lights on US-441.  six of them green when I drove through on a random Tuesday afternoon.

There's a reason I'm not entirely sure I've ever clinched the Orange Blossom Trail...I may have, but eventually, I've grown bored and saw something else on the map that appeared to be more fun to drive upon. I'm kind of flighty in that way; I demand immediate gratification in my roadgeeking habits.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 28, 2012, 03:52:10 PM
Quote from: formulanone on August 28, 2012, 02:36:12 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 28, 2012, 12:15:07 PM
Orlando is a terrifying place.  126 lights on US-441.  six of them green when I drove through on a random Tuesday afternoon.

There's a reason I'm not entirely sure I've ever clinched the Orange Blossom Trail...I may have, but eventually, I've grown bored and saw something else on the map that appeared to be more fun to drive upon. I'm kind of flighty in that way; I demand immediate gratification in my roadgeeking habits.


It was much more exciting before they revamped it with those horrible green mast arms. (I remember at least one older-style light set just south of I-4 from back in the day.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on August 31, 2012, 04:16:45 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 28, 2012, 12:15:07 PM
Orlando is a terrifying place.  126 lights on US-441.  six of them green when I drove through on a random Tuesday afternoon.

All those red lights along OBT are good for the economy. If too many of the lights were green, how would the drug dealers and hookers ever get any customers?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 09, 2012, 07:07:23 PM
Quote from: NE2 on August 25, 2012, 05:03:02 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 25, 2012, 04:13:30 PM
How come US 19 gets to be upgraded to grade separations from many side roads, while in Orlando it many years to get the FL 50 and FL 436 intersection changed to interchange?
Duh - SR 50 has a parallel freeway, while US 19 has none.

I was not talking about FL 50!  I was reffering to FL 436 that has NO PARALLEL FREEWAY?  If you want to count the 417, then you might as well count FL 589 as one to US 19.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 09, 2012, 07:22:26 PM
Quote from: florida on August 28, 2012, 03:52:10 PM
Quote from: formulanone on August 28, 2012, 02:36:12 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 28, 2012, 12:15:07 PM
Orlando is a terrifying place.  126 lights on US-441.  six of them green when I drove through on a random Tuesday afternoon.

There's a reason I'm not entirely sure I've ever clinched the Orange Blossom Trail...I may have, but eventually, I've grown bored and saw something else on the map that appeared to be more fun to drive upon. I'm kind of flighty in that way; I demand immediate gratification in my roadgeeking habits.


It was much more exciting before they revamped it with those horrible green mast arms. (I remember at least one older-style light set just south of I-4 from back in the day.)
That was done as a project, believe it or not, to make OBT look like a better place.  With all those other improvements that were added like the sidewalks along the roadway, it now has a place for the hookers to walk and strut their assets.  Before, there were no sidewalks and a ditch along the highway and when I took my car into Allied Discount Tire years ago and while waiting for my car to be serviced I patronized the fast food store next to the business and had to walk on uneven grass because there were no sidewalks to be found.

In this case, if all was left the way it was I doubt if the girls (and shemales) would be out there today!  Or at least there.  Just like cleaning up Times Square only made the smut move to Eighth Avenue,  the riff raff would have stayed down the other end of OBT in the Holden Heights section of Orange County.

I drive OBT every day to work and see all of this.  Now, it took em months to add a median to the center of OBT for three miles from Oakridge to I-4, now the FDOT allowed the contractor to remove the  new project that entails the center turn lane  removal from Oakridge south to from this coming week until  5/13.  I guess FDOT feels sorry for construction workers and allows them only one day a week to work while having the other 6 off as it seems like they did on this past project. We should start another post on construction here as I am sure many of us see time wasted on projects around their areas.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 09, 2012, 07:58:09 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 09, 2012, 07:07:23 PM
I was not talking about FL 50!  I was reffering to FL 436 that has NO PARALLEL FREEWAY?  If you want to count the 417, then you might as well count FL 589 as one to US 19.

Because 3 miles is just as long as 11 miles across a bay. Removed personal reference, accurate or otherwise
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on September 12, 2012, 08:25:06 AM
I was in the Boca Raton area last week, and found these two strangers:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F11%2FSR7-US441signsClintMoore.jpg&hash=468d9da2f4ec7c786363866588d2041ad5fd6ac9)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F02%2FSR91s-BlueConstructionSign.jpg&hash=8f22a473b69fb108d5c656381c41a958c8458bc7)

Finally...something that shows "State Road 91" for the Turnpike. Although, I've seen similar "reveals" of  hidden designations during construction zones.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on September 12, 2012, 03:13:37 PM
I love that FL-SR7 sign (that's a new state road, y'know!). Palm Beach County has the best oddities in SOFL.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on September 12, 2012, 11:30:40 PM
Quote
Although, I've seen similar "reveals" of  hidden designations during construction zones.
Kinda like this detour assembly for US 41/64/72(Hidden SR 2) in Tennessee
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FTNTrip2012SLR177.jpg&hash=d65fc40cc360cd3307e5178e7368fea94db29ba7)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 12, 2012, 11:39:55 PM
they even screwed up by using a secondary shield.  (no, that's not an old primary ... the old primary never came in 3dtn form, and also had TENN in it)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 13, 2012, 12:08:14 AM
Secondary is correct: http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/Maps/2012OfficialSM-Back.pdf
(Why the public state map shows the unsigned numbers is a good question.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 13, 2012, 12:16:57 AM
now how does that work?  not all of the US route system in Tennessee is over what is considered primary routes?

(I had also thought "SR" meant "state route" in the original post.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 13, 2012, 12:48:00 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 13, 2012, 12:16:57 AM
now how does that work?  not all of the US route system in Tennessee is over what is considered primary routes?
The primary/secondary routes match the pre-NHS federal aid systems. Some U.S. Routes were never FAP, and others became FAS when the Interstates were built.

Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 13, 2012, 12:16:57 AM
(I had also thought "SR" meant "state route" in the original post.)
In Florida it's always State/County Road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on September 13, 2012, 07:25:21 PM
Quote from: NE2 on September 13, 2012, 12:48:00 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 13, 2012, 12:16:57 AM
now how does that work?  not all of the US route system in Tennessee is over what is considered primary routes?
The primary/secondary routes match the pre-NHS federal aid systems. Some U.S. Routes were never FAP, and others became FAS when the Interstates were built.
Now you've got me wondering if any other state does primary/secondary according to Federal Aid designations. I can't imagine that to be the case.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 13, 2012, 07:28:30 PM
Quote from: Steve on September 13, 2012, 07:25:21 PM
Now you've got me wondering if any other state does primary/secondary according to Federal Aid designations. I can't imagine that to be the case.
Not that I know of, but Nevada's current numbers came from the FA designations.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on September 15, 2012, 02:19:14 PM
What is up with the arrows on the I-95 sign? Is this a one-of-a-kind, or are there others like it?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cosmophotos/577524533/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cosmophotos/577524533/)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 15, 2012, 03:02:56 PM
The Central Florida Connector, was supposed to be a freeway (tolled by OOCEA) that was supposed to link FL 528 with the Downtown Orlando following the CSX tracks through  Pine Castle, Edgewood, and the eastern end of Holden Heights.  It would have interchanged with FL 528 near where Orange Avenue crosses under 528 near the infamous Rachels Club. The project was cancelled for a reason and never got going.

I heard that in liue of its cancellation there was a proposal to make FL 436 a freeway instead.  Another toll road that would go from FL 528 to FL 408 changing the current FL 436 from arterial to full grade separation.  I have no actual proof of this proposal, just that it was rumored throughout my community.  I was wondering it that thought did even enter minds of those in charge?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on September 15, 2012, 03:34:23 PM
Pair of NW Florida notes:

Three of the four shields at the east end of former SR 290 are now county pentagons. The southbound shield for Florida 290 west along US 90 west is the lone holdout.

Don't think I posted it on the forum, but my request to FDOT to have the missing CR 399 shields posted at the intersection of US 98 and Navarre Beach Causeway was acted upon in July. There are JCT and arrow shields in each direction now.

Posted those on the site:

https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida098/us-098_eb_at_cr-399_sb_03.jpg
https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida098/us-098_wb_app_cr-399_01.jpg
https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida098/us-098_wb_at_cr-399_sb_02.jpg

Edited to add shield photo links. - Alex
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 15, 2012, 05:32:36 PM
I see FDOT listens to you as well.  I wrote them about missing shields in Tallahassee on US 90 WB at US 27 and  where US 27 NB changes alignment in front of the Capitol that were not present in 2010.  They did act on them and a year later in 2011, I saw them up.

The only thing is that they did not erect FL 61 signage as Monroe Street is also FL 61, especially south of the Capitol.  On US 90 WB there are only now US 27 shields at ground level and along Apalachee Parkway at Monroe Street they only posted a US 27 NORTH with a right arrow, but no junction of directional information for FL 61 that goes both ways on Monroe.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 15, 2012, 09:40:22 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 15, 2012, 03:02:56 PM
I heard that in liue of its cancellation there was a proposal to make FL 436 a freeway instead.  Another toll road that would go from FL 528 to FL 408 changing the current FL 436 from arterial to full grade separation.  I have no actual proof of this proposal, just that it was rumored throughout my community.  I was wondering it that thought did even enter minds of those in charge?
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2002-01-17/news/0201170313_1_state-road-toll-orlando-international
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 17, 2012, 08:40:01 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 15, 2012, 05:32:36 PM
I see FDOT listens to you as well.  I wrote them about missing shields in Tallahassee on US 90 WB at US 27 and  where US 27 NB changes alignment in front of the Capitol that were not present in 2010.  They did act on them and a year later in 2011, I saw them up.
I frequently write to FDOT too, as well as other local DPWs. and sometimes they listen to me. One of my more recent e-mails was about an erroneous cardinal direction sign on Sumter CR 470 just southeast of SR 44 in Rutland. I haven't been to Rutland in a while, and they didn't reply, so I have no idea if they corrected it.

On the other hand, the "US 52" sign on Pasco CR 583 at Florida SR 52 still exists to this day, as it has for nearly a decade.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on September 18, 2012, 02:03:18 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on September 15, 2012, 02:19:14 PM
What is up with the arrows on the I-95 sign? Is this a one-of-a-kind, or are there others like it?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cosmophotos/577524533/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cosmophotos/577524533/)

I would think there should be a couple more signs of that type located in the area (want to say down at I-195). The Golden Glades Interchange is very convoluted and the crazy arrows are to show drivers that even though you're in a lane listed for SR 826, you can also use it for I-95; the purpose should be to limit sudden braking and accidents.


Quote from: Alex on September 15, 2012, 03:34:23 PM
Don't think I posted it on the forum, but my request to FDOT to have the missing CR 399 shields posted at the intersection of US 98 and Navarre Beach Causeway was acted upon in July. There are JCT and arrow shields in each direction now.

Nice to see they kept the JCT banner from the former Toll 399 shield. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on September 30, 2012, 09:42:37 PM
Rode on all of now County Road 290 and the designation is completely unsigned outside of shields on SR 289, SR 291 and US 90 (SR 10A). Shields for SR 290 at the west end (CR 95A) and the few that were posted on the mainline were simply removed (not replaced).  :thumbdown:

Edit - the newest FDOT county road shape files shows that CR-290 is off the system.

Of nearby interest, the error Florida 29 shield posted at Florida 742's west end was finally replaced with a US 29 shield.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on October 03, 2012, 03:34:03 PM
Quote from: Alex on September 30, 2012, 09:42:37 PM
Rode on all of now County Road 290 and the designation is completely unsigned outside of shields on SR 289, SR 291 and US 90 (SR 10A). Shields for SR 290 at the west end (CR 95A) and the few that were posted on the mainline were simply removed (not replaced).  :thumbdown:

Edit - the newest FDOT county road shape files shows that CR-290 is off the system.

Of nearby interest, the error Florida 29 shield posted at Florida 742's west end was finally replaced with a US 29 shield.

They actually signed it as CR 290 along the other two major roadways (SRs 289 & 291)?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on October 03, 2012, 05:28:42 PM
Quote from: florida on October 03, 2012, 03:34:03 PM

They actually signed it as CR 290 along the other two major roadways (SRs 289 & 291)?

Saw the backs of pentagons on both SR 289 and SR 291. I'll get out there soon to document them before they disappear. What is annoying is the only reference marker (the JCT FL-290 shield) I had to direct people to my Dad's off US 90 is gone. Now I'd have to say "um, turn before the traffic light at Olive Road".
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on October 10, 2012, 10:07:22 PM
Quote from: Alex on October 03, 2012, 05:28:42 PM
Quote from: florida on October 03, 2012, 03:34:03 PM

They actually signed it as CR 290 along the other two major roadways (SRs 289 & 291)?

Saw the backs of pentagons on both SR 289 and SR 291. I'll get out there soon to document them before they disappear. What is annoying is the only reference marker (the JCT FL-290 shield) I had to direct people to my Dad's off US 90 is gone. Now I'd have to say "um, turn before the traffic light at Olive Road".

Didn't SR 291 have BGSs with shields for Olive Road, too? I just can't believe they opted to sign 290 as a CR, then completely remove the shields and take it off the system. The road is still important, no?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on October 10, 2012, 10:33:14 PM
Quote from: florida on October 10, 2012, 10:07:22 PM
Quote from: Alex on October 03, 2012, 05:28:42 PM
Quote from: florida on October 03, 2012, 03:34:03 PM

They actually signed it as CR 290 along the other two major roadways (SRs 289 & 291)?

Saw the backs of pentagons on both SR 289 and SR 291. I'll get out there soon to document them before they disappear. What is annoying is the only reference marker (the JCT FL-290 shield) I had to direct people to my Dad's off US 90 is gone. Now I'd have to say "um, turn before the traffic light at Olive Road".

Didn't SR 291 have BGSs with shields for Olive Road, too? I just can't believe they opted to sign 290 as a CR, then completely remove the shields and take it off the system. The road is still important, no?

Yes, there are sign bridges posted along SR 291 (Davis Highway) northbound ahead of Olive Road / University Parkway. I will check it out soon and see if the SR shields were greened out with pentagons or simply covered with blanks.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on October 10, 2012, 11:22:32 PM
Quote from: Alex on October 10, 2012, 10:33:14 PM
Yes, there are sign bridges posted along SR 291 (Davis Highway) northbound ahead of Olive Road / University Parkway. I will check it out soon and see if the SR shields were greened out with pentagons or simply covered with blanks.

It will be interesting if they just covered them with blanks.

_______________________

The only changes to the Florida SHS was the realignment of SR 429 at CR 437A, SR 414 and SR 451...and the very slight realignment of North Blvd in Leesburg. But it seems like they kept SR 25 as the southbound one-way "ramp" between Williams St to north of Hill St and added New SR 525 to carry US 27 two-way traffic along the realigned section up to US 441 for a distance of 0.234 miles.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 21, 2012, 11:09:31 AM
New signs for the SR 414-429 extension (first from the north end at US 441, second from the CR 437 overpass):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi48.tinypic.com%2Fzwnhax.jpg&hash=520f5eaf4952328cfca0a596eb56c95dc0657bc4)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi47.tinypic.com%2F2z4hkw1.jpg&hash=1a1fe1e5f0c09dfceb27fa3e125be0fbe9ae24b6)
This seems to indicate that the yellow toll is only for approaches from free roads.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 23, 2012, 08:08:54 AM
Quote from: NE2 on October 21, 2012, 11:09:31 AM
This seems to indicate that the yellow toll is only for approaches from free roads.

That was my understanding of how Florida was implementing it, but I know I've seen yellow banners on toll-toll interchanges. Down in Miami they use yellow banners to sign exits from the Turnpike onto MDX roads. Maybe interagency interchanges use yellow banners also? I know I've seen it in Orlando also but I can't think where. Maybe it was at an OOCEA-FTE interchange.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 23, 2012, 08:12:30 AM
The "Fairbanks Curve" on I-4 in Orlando was in the news again today. They're still working on making it so people don't crash every time it rains there. More info here:

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/10/23/crews_work_to_improv.html

It seems that the grooves in the concrete they put down didn't work, so they're grinding down the grooves and putting asphalt over it as a stopgap until the completely rework and widen the road in 2014. Maybe they'll finally add the express toll lanes they've been talking about for years...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on October 23, 2012, 07:00:47 PM
Quote from: realjd on October 23, 2012, 08:08:54 AM
Quote from: NE2 on October 21, 2012, 11:09:31 AM
This seems to indicate that the yellow toll is only for approaches from free roads.

That was my understanding of how Florida was implementing it, but I know I've seen yellow banners on toll-toll interchanges. Down in Miami they use yellow banners to sign exits from the Turnpike onto MDX roads. Maybe interagency interchanges use yellow banners also? I know I've seen it in Orlando also but I can't think where. Maybe it was at an OOCEA-FTE interchange.

That's correct. Here are a few photos from the last time I was in the area (21 June 2011). The photo quality is nasty, but that's the best I could do at the time.

(Below) Florida's Turnpike Homestead Extension (SR 821) Exit 17 to SR 874. (The file name incorrectly references SR 91. Oops.)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2FFL-FL91_N_MM17_2011-06-21_1.jpg&hash=c7ff18b216c505dfaaac51cf7fda2dde2898f4fa)

(Below) SR 874 to SR 878. Notice the SR 874 pull-through/reassurance shield has a yellow banner as well.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2Fpublic%2FFL-FL874_N_MM2_2011-06-21_1.jpg&hash=556345c8effb2d10dbeeec5e50c7ce314ffecedd)

The only other time I've seen yellow toll banners on a non toll road were for SR 528 on SR 520, Florida's Turnpike Homestead Extension (SR 821) on I-75 Southbound, and a few trailblazers near SR 408 and SR 429 at rebuilt intersections.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 23, 2012, 07:16:37 PM
Must be a different policy for MDX and FTE.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on October 23, 2012, 09:03:31 PM
A new 1.6-mile roadway will be constructed starting October 26 and running through summer 2014 on the east side of Quincy. The two-lane roadway will connect U.S. 90 at Ralph Strong Road with Florida 12 by Quincy Municipal Airport. You can see the projected path on Google Maps when zoomed in enough to see the parcel data.

From the FDOT District 3 Twitter (https://twitter.com/myfdot_nwfl) page:

QuoteConstruction of the new 1.6-mile Quincy Bypass in Gadsden County is scheduled to begin Friday, Oct. 26. http://ow.ly/d/RhT

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on October 24, 2012, 10:35:22 AM
Silly question about Collier County Road 31 (Airport-Pulling Road):

Did this road have a previous designation before the Second Great Renumbering era (1977-83)? Seems odd because it doesn't connect in any way to FL31, it isn't really long enough to justify having only two-digits, but it isn't that far off The Grid. Why duplicate the number? Was this because having a 951 and an 851 was confusing enough, thus an available "831" was avoided?

I I know this is a rather obscure and trivial question, but I found it odd when I was wandering about the Naples area...

(edit for smartphone editing difficulties)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on October 24, 2012, 07:46:50 PM
Quote from: realjd on October 23, 2012, 08:08:54 AM
Quote from: NE2 on October 21, 2012, 11:09:31 AM
This seems to indicate that the yellow toll is only for approaches from free roads.

That was my understanding of how Florida was implementing it, but I know I've seen yellow banners on toll-toll interchanges. Down in Miami they use yellow banners to sign exits from the Turnpike onto MDX roads. Maybe interagency interchanges use yellow banners also? I know I've seen it in Orlando also but I can't think where. Maybe it was at an OOCEA-FTE interchange.

There is also a yellow banner SR 869 on I-595 west.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on October 24, 2012, 08:13:18 PM
Quote from: formulanone on October 24, 2012, 10:35:22 AM
Silly question about Collier County Road 31 (Airport-Pulling Road):

Did this road have a previous designation before the Second Great Renumbering era (1977-83)? Seems odd because it doesn't connect in any way to FL31, it isn't really long enough to justify having only two-digits, but it isn't that far off The Grid. Why duplicate the number? Was this because having a 951 and an 851 was confusing enough, thus an available "831" was avoided?

I I know this is a rather obscure and trivial question, but I found it odd when I was wandering about the Naples area...

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Ready for some history?

1967:
SR 31 went from Golden Gate, which was SR 951 to the west, and SR 951 to the south along Airport-Pulling, up to 846. There was a spur along Pine Ridge going west to either Goodlette-Frank (SR 951) OR to US 41.

SR 951 was on Airport-Pulling from presumably Radio Road to Golden Gate. (Also along Goodlette-Frank and possibly Pine Ridge for 0.5 miles.)

SR 858 was on Fern, Thomasson, Bayshore, [US 41 overlap?], and Airport-Pulling up to presumably Radio Road the switch-off to SR 951/Airport-Pulling.

This stayed the same until the whole thing was renumbered S-31 in 1976.

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Other exciting routes gone include 838 on Alligator Alley, the overuse of 858 in Naples, 951A, 951B, and a second 862.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on October 29, 2012, 08:34:55 PM
Looks like they're going to start work on the final stretch of I-95 that hasn't been six-laned yet, from SR 406 (Garden Street) in Titusville to SR 44 at New Smyrna Beach:

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20121029/NEWS01/310290006/Work-ready-start-95-widening-north-Titusville?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Home|s

The six laning of I-95 between SR 528 and SR 406 is progressing, they've finally started working on the last sections on both sides of SR 50 (from SR 407 North to SR 50 and from Fox Lake Road south) and the overpass there is progressing quite well.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 30, 2012, 12:32:12 AM
Quote from: DeaconG on October 29, 2012, 08:34:55 PM
Looks like they're going to start work on the final stretch of I-95 that hasn't been six-laned yet, from SR 406 (Garden Street) in Titusville to SR 44 at New Smyrna Beach:

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20121029/NEWS01/310290006/Work-ready-start-95-widening-north-Titusville?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Home|s

The six laning of I-95 between SR 528 and SR 406 is progressing, they've finally started working on the last sections on both sides of SR 50 (from SR 407 North to SR 50 and from Fox Lake Road south) and the overpass there is progressing quite well.

It's still 4 lanes between SR 514 and SR70, although they're working on the Brevard portion down to the IRC line and the portion just north of 70.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on November 25, 2012, 07:39:03 PM
I hear that FDOT finally has plans to widen the rest of I-4 from SR 44 to I-95 as that is the only part of I-4 now that is four lanes still.  In the works, they plan to relocate the US 92 connector so that it will exit from the right.

I guess now the left side exits (except for freeway to freeway or concurrency splits) are a thing of the past.  In some places people are upset about it, especially for years when they were used to driving one way and now they have to learn a new pattern of driving.  The relocation of the EB FL 408 to NB FL 417 from left to right did not go well with commuters when it was first implimented and I am sure the new FL 429 & FL 414 interchange is causing some to lose sleep until the permanent FL 429 is opened.

To me left side merges are more of a hassle than the exits.  I lived in NJ for years and try entering the Pulaski Skyway in Jersey City from Truck US 1 & 9 where you not only merge from the left, but you have a very limited sight distance as well and NO acceleration lane either.  I think that making exits a standard on where they should be is a good step as most people travel at speeds of 65 mph or higher on freeways, especially the left lane being the "fast lane."  You will always get that Sunday driver as you call them, and mix them in with texters, tourists, and ignorant drivers slow down to 45 mph or slower in those lanes to have  a conflict with the free flowing drivers of the left side.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 25, 2012, 08:13:18 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 25, 2012, 07:39:03 PM
I hear that FDOT finally has plans to widen the rest of I-4 from SR 44 to I-95 as that is the only part of I-4 now that is four lanes still.
Uh, construction has already begun...
http://www.cflroads.com/Project/Details/38/408464-1_I-4_widening_from_SR_44_to_East_of_I-95
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on November 26, 2012, 11:58:48 AM
Drove through Tampa yesterday and checked out progress at the north end of the Crosstown Connector: https://www.aaroads.com/blog/2012/11/26/crosstown-connector-update/

Also saw a flashing yellow arrow (FYA) for the first time in Florida on U.S. 41/SR 44 north in Iverness:

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/us-041_nb_fl-044_wb_at_courthouse_sq.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/us-041_nb_fl-044_wb_at_courthouse_sq.jpg)

New since July 10, 2011.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 29, 2012, 07:16:47 PM
Has FDOT taken over the Osceola Parkway from OBT to the Turnpike? They have videolog footage of it (92514000): http://www3.dot.state.fl.us/videolog/default.asp

[edit] never mind - I think they get footage of SIS components.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 01, 2012, 01:33:38 PM
This had to be stated. Sisco Dirt Road is now paved (but the name is the same)!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on December 07, 2012, 05:45:47 PM
Wekiva Parkway construction should begin in February. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-wekiva-construction-starts-20121207,0,2385817.story)

QuoteConstruction could start in Lake in February, but only if crews can safely move gopher tortoises that are in the way. About 260 burrows have been found, said Steve Olson, a spokesman for the Florida Department of Transportation.

Expected to cost $1.6 billion, the parkway was first talked about during the 1970s, when transportation planners began discussing ways to bypass downtown Orlando.

The state is turning dirt first largely because it has decided to simultaneously design and build a 3.1-mile section of the project. That part should cost almost $23 million and be complete within two years.

The parkway is slated to be complete by 2021 when the connection with I-4 (most expensive section) is finished.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DAL764 on December 24, 2012, 06:30:47 AM
Short question about I-95 at Airport Road at Jacksonville International Airport:

I recently found an old printout from an article from 1998 that mentioned the possibilty of a flyover being constructed from I-95NB to Airport Road allowing people to avoid the loop ramp and the Duval Road intersection. Obviously so far nothing has happened here, but I'd like to know, is a flyover like that still being considered, or any other changes to the exit in general?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 24, 2012, 11:10:16 AM
Quote from: DAL764 on December 24, 2012, 06:30:47 AM
Short question about I-95 at Airport Road at Jacksonville International Airport:

I recently found an old printout from an article from 1998 that mentioned the possibilty of a flyover being constructed from I-95NB to Airport Road allowing people to avoid the loop ramp and the Duval Road intersection. Obviously so far nothing has happened here, but I'd like to know, is a flyover like that still being considered, or any other changes to the exit in general?

If anything was still on the books for improvemnts at that interchange, I think the time is past.  Especially since that new mall is now opened on the East side of the interchange.  If they had wanted to do anything, they should have done it when they widened Duval Road there.  So, the only thing they might have left that could be done is convert the interchange into a proper diamond interchange and have all NB traffic use one ramp + traffic light and eliminate that nasty loop.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 24, 2012, 11:14:32 AM
SR 243 (I-295 exit 33) is probably a better route to the airport during peak traffic.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 24, 2012, 11:18:29 AM
Quote from: NE2 on December 24, 2012, 11:14:32 AM
SR 243 (I-295 exit 33) is probably a better route to the airport during peak traffic.

It is.  The traffic lights @ Duval and Airport are really bad since each service road needs a light, and they don't have them timed really well (well, at least they didn't the last time I was there).  The traffic can build up really bad on Duval (coming from the South of that intersection) and can sometimes take 2-3 light cycles to get passed the light.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on December 24, 2012, 06:24:26 PM
Just noticed a bunch of new "recreation and cultural interest" (big brown signs) along northbound I-95 in Palm Beach County are using Clearview. I didn't get any shots, but they seem quite recent, as I was up that way just two weeks ago.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on December 27, 2012, 10:12:41 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 24, 2012, 11:14:32 AM
SR 243 (I-295 exit 33) is probably a better route to the airport during peak traffic.

SR 243 is only signed as a control destination on mileage signs on 295. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 06, 2013, 11:00:31 PM
Check out the proposed Sunshine State Parkway to Jacksonville: http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~212056~5500200:Shell-Map-of-Florida--cover-title--?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 07, 2013, 07:27:18 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 06, 2013, 11:00:31 PM
Check out the proposed Sunshine State Parkway to Jacksonville:

"For transportation to Havana, Cuba make inquiry at Miami or Key West"  :cool:  :coffee:

Nice find! Quite a bit of it is still accurate, as most of the secondary roads seem to still have the same numbers in most places. If you don't like the limited-access stuff, or don't plan on visiting any towns built since 1956, it would serve as a usable map today.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 07, 2013, 09:00:12 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 07, 2013, 07:27:18 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 06, 2013, 11:00:31 PM
Check out the proposed Sunshine State Parkway to Jacksonville:

"For transportation to Havana, Cuba make inquiry at Miami or Key West"  :cool:  :coffee:

Nice find! Quite a bit of it is still accurate, as most of the secondary roads seem to still have the same numbers in most places. If you don't like the limited-access stuff, or don't plan on visiting any towns built since 1956, it would serve as a usable map today.
Ditto on that.

I see that Kennedy Parkway in KSC was a public highway, and extension of current FL 3 and Playlinda Beach was a town and not  a National Seashore.

Also, FL 40 went to New Smyrna and not Ormond Beach and US 27 was incomplete from Haines City to Lake Wales.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 07, 2013, 09:10:43 PM
In 1951, US 27 was incomplete north to Leesburg:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frumseysid.lunaimaging.com%2Fmrsid%2Fbin%2Fimage_jpeg.pl%3Fclient%3DRumsey%26amp%3Bimage%3DSIDS%2FD5005%2F5840008.sid%26amp%3Bx%3D8250%26amp%3By%3D6750%26amp%3Bwidth%3D750%26amp%3Bheight%3D750%26amp%3Blevel%3D1&hash=e67a8017bb8943cc5b00e1406aeff27a2c57cd07)
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~212025~5500185:Shell-Highway-Map-Southeastern-Sect

Old county maps show that it used 17-540-555-557 between Lake Wales and Polk City:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F128.227.24.32%3A8080%2FImageServer%2Fimageserver%3Fres%3D2%26amp%3Bviewwidth%3D1536%26amp%3Bviewheight%3D1536%26amp%3Bx%3D1923%26amp%3By%3D1564%26amp%3Brotation%3D0%26amp%3Bfilename%3DUF%255C00%255C01%255C64%255C39%255C00001%255CUF00016439.jp2&hash=7bd633de9b79d4e99cfa6e8fb34584b291e2cbba)
http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00016439/00001/1x?vo=3
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 08, 2013, 08:12:48 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 07, 2013, 09:00:12 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 07, 2013, 07:27:18 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 06, 2013, 11:00:31 PM
Check out the proposed Sunshine State Parkway to Jacksonville:

"For transportation to Havana, Cuba make inquiry at Miami or Key West"  :cool:  :coffee:

Nice find! Quite a bit of it is still accurate, as most of the secondary roads seem to still have the same numbers in most places. If you don't like the limited-access stuff, or don't plan on visiting any towns built since 1956, it would serve as a usable map today.
Ditto on that.

I see that Kennedy Parkway in KSC was a public highway, and extension of current FL 6 and Playlinda Beach was a town and not  a National Seashore.

Also, FL 40 went to New Smyrna and not Ormond Beach and US 27 was incomplete from Haines City to Lake Wales.

There are several towns that were torn down when they built KSC. Supposedly you can still see the remnants of them if you know where to look in the NWR.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on January 08, 2013, 01:16:58 PM
The construction of express lanes will be coming to Interstate 75 and FL 826 (Palmetto Expressway) in south Florida in the next year.  If our members are interested, please follow the hypertext below.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/broward/fl-75-express-20130107,0,3185919.story
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: wriddle082 on January 08, 2013, 10:08:36 PM
Was wondering how they are coming along with the 6-lane widening of I-75 in the Ft. Myers-Naples area.  Are there any immediate plans to widen it up to Venice where it is currently 6 lanes north to Tampa?

I haven't been back down there since 2009, and the family is way overdue a trip back to see a sunset over the Gulf.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 08, 2013, 10:35:47 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on January 08, 2013, 01:16:58 PMThe construction of express lanes will be coming to Interstate 75 and FL 826 (Palmetto Expressway) in south Florida in the next year.

Never thought I'd say this, but I'm kind of glad the Palmetto is getting tolled in this way, because the rare times I take the 826, some chucklehead is plodding around doing 50-55mph (at best), in his clapped-out work van.

By contrast, I never thought I-75 was all that badly congested, even during rush hours; unless there's a bad accident. Seems like a money grab, to me. This essentially makes every north-south expressway in Dade/Broward a toll road, without actually resolving any of those specific transportation problems in the area.

Quote from: wriddle082 on January 08, 2013, 10:08:36 PM
Was wondering how they are coming along with the 6-lane widening of I-75 in the Ft. Myers-Naples area.  Are there any immediate plans to widen it up to Venice where it is currently 6 lanes north to Tampa?

The last section of I-75 (excluding Alligator Alley) that wasn't six-laned was from CR 776 near Port Charlotte to FL 681, and much of that was under construction as of mid-2011.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: wriddle082 on January 08, 2013, 10:46:57 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 08, 2013, 10:35:47 PM
Quote from: wriddle082 on January 08, 2013, 10:08:36 PM
Was wondering how they are coming along with the 6-lane widening of I-75 in the Ft. Myers-Naples area.  Are there any immediate plans to widen it up to Venice where it is currently 6 lanes north to Tampa?

The last section of I-75 (excluding Alligator Alley) that wasn't six-laned was from CR 776 near Port Charlotte to FL 681, and much of that was under construction as of mid-2011.

OK that's about 33 miles.  Not bad, considering I think they were only working on it in the Ft. Myers vicinity back in 2009.  Since 2007, my preferred route from SC to Ft. Myers has been I-26 - I-95 - I-4 - US 27 - FL 29 - FL 80.  If it's less of a pain to go through SW FL on 75 now, I'll start going I-26 - I-95 - I-295 - I-10 - US 301 - (backroads N of Ocala) - I-75.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 08, 2013, 11:25:01 PM
http://www.i75onthego.com/

Also note that US 17 is now four-laned between Haines City and Zolfo Springs, and about half south to Punta Gorda. So you could go via Orlando and hop off I-4 at US 27 or CR 557. This is shorter than your proposed route by 20 miles and your current route by 15 miles.

PS: the best way to connect north of Ocala is SR 326.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on January 09, 2013, 11:10:16 AM
Quote from: NE2 on January 08, 2013, 11:25:01 PM
http://www.i75onthego.com/

Also note that US 17 is now four-laned between Haines City and Zolfo Springs, and about half south to Punta Gorda. So you could go via Orlando and hop off I-4 at US 27 or CR 557. This is shorter than your proposed route by 20 miles and your current route by 15 miles.

PS: the best way to connect north of Ocala is SR 326.

The exit for SR326 should have at least a supplementary sign directing travelers to 301... unless they want to keep traffic on I-75.  The exit from I-75 doesnt even have a control city... which is odd since 326 is the northern bypass of Ocala
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 09, 2013, 11:24:21 AM
H/T Gene J.

Dale Mabry exit off southbound I-275 closes (http://www2.tbo.com/news/central-tampa/2013/jan/08/9/dale-mabry-exit-off-southbound-i-275-to-close-wedn-ar-601368/)

QuoteExit 41A, which looped drivers from southbound Interstate 275 onto southbound Dale Mabry Highway, closed this morning.

QuoteCommuters exiting onto Dale Mabry will take the former exit 41B, which will now be labeled 41A/B. It will have four turn lanes — two heading southbound and two northbound.

QuoteThe Florida Department of Transportation closed the ramp because it needs the land for interstate reconstruction, said FDOT spokesman John McShaffrey.

The closure of the exit ramp is a part of the larger reconstruction of I-275. This phase starts at the Hillsborough River, heads south to Memorial Highway and includes northbound I-275. It's all expected to be completed in the fall of 2016.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: wriddle082 on January 09, 2013, 08:30:16 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 09, 2013, 11:10:16 AM
Quote from: NE2 on January 08, 2013, 11:25:01 PM
http://www.i75onthego.com/

Also note that US 17 is now four-laned between Haines City and Zolfo Springs, and about half south to Punta Gorda. So you could go via Orlando and hop off I-4 at US 27 or CR 557. This is shorter than your proposed route by 20 miles and your current route by 15 miles.

PS: the best way to connect north of Ocala is SR 326.

The exit for SR326 should have at least a supplementary sign directing travelers to 301... unless they want to keep traffic on I-75.  The exit from I-75 doesnt even have a control city... which is odd since 326 is the northern bypass of Ocala

When the family and I went to Tampa a couple of years ago for a medical convention, the Garmin routed us through the middle of Ocala down 301 and FL 200 to get to I-75 (which worked out well at the time since we stopped at a Taco Bell).  On the return trip, it sent us to FL 326 and that county road back to 301.  I think there may have been "TO US 301" signage on FL 326, but not on the I-75 off-ramp.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 14, 2013, 08:27:43 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 06, 2013, 11:00:31 PM
Check out the proposed Sunshine State Parkway to Jacksonville

Wow. Instead of running through Wildwood, it would've ran through Orange Home, Belleview, near Silver Springs, part of SR 21, always east of US 301, and actually ending northeast of Jacksonville.

"Tisonia?"
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jcarte29 on January 15, 2013, 10:50:17 PM
Is Orlando really only "served" by ONE interstate?! (I-4)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 15, 2013, 11:43:17 PM
Quote from: jcarte29 on January 15, 2013, 10:50:17 PM
Is Orlando really only "served" by ONE interstate?! (I-4)
Does Orlando really "need" another one?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: exit322 on January 16, 2013, 09:32:09 AM
Quote from: NE2 on January 15, 2013, 11:43:17 PM
Quote from: jcarte29 on January 15, 2013, 10:50:17 PM
Is Orlando really only "served" by ONE interstate?! (I-4)
Does Orlando really "need" another one?

If they weren't willing to build toll roads in and around Orlando to meet demand, then yes, they'd need another one (and to be fair, in most states what is Florida's Turnpike would've ended up as an interstate as well)...but as it stands, it doesn't appear they really need another one, beyond maybe an x04 in the future.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 16, 2013, 12:44:50 PM
Quote from: exit322 on January 16, 2013, 09:32:09 AM
Quote from: NE2 on January 15, 2013, 11:43:17 PM
Quote from: jcarte29 on January 15, 2013, 10:50:17 PM
Is Orlando really only "served" by ONE interstate?! (I-4)
Does Orlando really "need" another one?

If they weren't willing to build toll roads in and around Orlando to meet demand, then yes, they'd need another one (and to be fair, in most states what is Florida's Turnpike would've ended up as an interstate as well)...but as it stands, it doesn't appear they really need another one, beyond maybe an x04 in the future.

It is not a bad question really when you think about it. But having lived there, I can say that the network of toll roads serve the purpose of additional Interstates. Once one gets a Sunpass, one can factor in a toll bill as part of commuting life there... In a sense Florida's Turnpike is your default north-south Interstate and FL 528 kind of acts as your would be I-104 spur to the east. There is no need to go due north due to Ocala National Forest and heading west is Lake County and SR 50 serves that role considering there is so much sprawl there now. A new route south (an extension of the toll road network has been proposed), and that is needed for the continued growth along the US 27 corridor. However a toll road would suffice again, as you are not getting a lot of long distance travel to Lake Okeechobee that would make you think "Interstate highway".

Being a road guy, for fun sometimes I internally referred to FL-417 as I-204, FL-429 as I-404 and FL-408 as I-604. I have a flash bulb memory of the East-West Expressway (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19734082) trailblazers with the orange on I-4 overheads from childhood, but otherwise for me the state road numbers have always been easily associated with the limited access highway network.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 17, 2013, 09:32:09 AM
I don't remember whether I've posted this here or not, but I've seen these signs on one local street in Brooksville for years.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:When_Emergency_Signals_Flashing_Do_Not_Proceed_(North).JPG

That's Stafford Avenue underneath the CSX Brooksville Subdivision.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on January 17, 2013, 08:28:25 PM
Video news update on the huge ($1 biliion) ramp reconfiguration between FL 826 (Palmetto Expressway) and FL 836 (Dolphin Expressway) in Miami-Dade County that may be of interest to our members:

http://www.local10.com/news/New-exit-from-SR-836-to-826-to-open/-/1717324/18166022/-/rbj798/-/index.html
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on January 19, 2013, 07:10:31 PM
Just a quick update of the I-95 widening project in Brevard County...

The widening of the bridge over SR 50 is complete and traffic is using the new inner lanes from Fox Lake Road southbound to the Addison Canal bridge, while grading is being done on the last section to be completed, from the Addison Canal south to just north of the Range Road overpass; and the repaving of the outer lanes is in progress.

The modifications to the SR 407 interchange are moving along, they've got signs posted on the exit ramps pointing out directions to either Orlando or KSC.

In addition, FDOT is resigning several interchanges with overhead signs; they've already done Fiske Blvd and are in the process of doing the interchanges at Port St. John Parkway and SR 407.

They expect to be done by June of this year.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 19, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on January 19, 2013, 07:10:31 PM
The modifications to the SR 407 interchange are moving along, they've got signs posted on the exit ramps pointing out directions to either Orlando or KSC.
Have the new left turns opened to traffic?

[edit]The new SR 414-429 extension/realignment around Apopka opened today: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.668&lon=-81.534&zoom=14&layers=M
I'll check it out in a few weeks and get pics.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on January 19, 2013, 09:37:40 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 19, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on January 19, 2013, 07:10:31 PM
The modifications to the SR 407 interchange are moving along, they've got signs posted on the exit ramps pointing out directions to either Orlando or KSC.
Have the new left turns opened to traffic?

[edit]The new SR 414-429 extension/realignment around Apopka opened today: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.668&lon=-81.534&zoom=14&layers=M
I'll check it out in a few weeks and get pics.

Not yet, they've got a layer of ashphalt on them but they haven't finished the landscaping yet.  They don't look like they're in that much of a hurry.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 20, 2013, 10:27:46 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on January 19, 2013, 07:10:31 PM
Just a quick update of the I-95 widening project in Brevard County...

The widening of the bridge over SR 50 is complete and traffic is using the new inner lanes from Fox Lake Road southbound to the Addison Canal bridge, while grading is being done on the last section to be completed, from the Addison Canal south to just north of the Range Road overpass; and the repaving of the outer lanes is in progress.

The modifications to the SR 407 interchange are moving along, they've got signs posted on the exit ramps pointing out directions to either Orlando or KSC.

In addition, FDOT is resigning several interchanges with overhead signs; they've already done Fiske Blvd and are in the process of doing the interchanges at Port St. John Parkway and SR 407.

They expect to be done by June of this year.

IIRC, there was one non-overhead sign left at the Fiske interchange.  That one was right at the boundary between the widening projects. I'm pretty sure it was overlooked (not included on either contract) and FDOT is just getting around to fixing that.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 21, 2013, 04:24:41 AM
Florida tried to get US 231 on the Interstate system back in 1956 (as well as US 41 from Tampa to Miami and US 1 from Miami to Homestead): http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=qyYTAAAAIBAJ&sjid=0wQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4542,537107

Apparently the Orange Blossom Trail stretched "over 655 miles from the Georgia line north of Lake City to Key West", via US (41?-)441-17/92-27-1.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: BamaZeus on January 21, 2013, 12:52:20 PM
In a way I'm kinda surprised 231 didn't get upgraded to I-10 as a hurricane relief route, if for nothing else.  Of course, I'd love to see it interstate-grade all the way to Montgomery, but that's another project altogether.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 21, 2013, 10:01:47 PM
Quote from: realjd on January 20, 2013, 10:27:46 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on January 19, 2013, 07:10:31 PM
Just a quick update of the I-95 widening project in Brevard County...

The widening of the bridge over SR 50 is complete and traffic is using the new inner lanes from Fox Lake Road southbound to the Addison Canal bridge, while grading is being done on the last section to be completed, from the Addison Canal south to just north of the Range Road overpass; and the repaving of the outer lanes is in progress.

The modifications to the SR 407 interchange are moving along, they've got signs posted on the exit ramps pointing out directions to either Orlando or KSC.

In addition, FDOT is resigning several interchanges with overhead signs; they've already done Fiske Blvd and are in the process of doing the interchanges at Port St. John Parkway and SR 407.

They expect to be done by June of this year.

IIRC, there was one non-overhead sign left at the Fiske interchange.  That one was right at the boundary between the widening projects. I'm pretty sure it was overlooked (not included on either contract) and FDOT is just getting around to fixing that.
Will they fix that?  If you notice on SB I-95 at FL 40, they overlooked the overhead sign there and it still has the two original guides at ground level omitting "Ocala" where it, still, has to be on an auxillary sign with Silver Springs.  It has been quite a few years since it was widened through Ormond Beach.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 22, 2013, 07:55:17 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 21, 2013, 10:01:47 PM
Quote from: realjd on January 20, 2013, 10:27:46 PM
IIRC, there was one non-overhead sign left at the Fiske interchange.  That one was right at the boundary between the widening projects. I'm pretty sure it was overlooked (not included on either contract) and FDOT is just getting around to fixing that.
Will they fix that?  If you notice on SB I-95 at FL 40, they overlooked the overhead sign there and it still has the two original guides at ground level omitting "Ocala" where it, still, has to be on an auxillary sign with Silver Springs.  It has been quite a few years since it was widened through Ormond Beach.

They're in the process of fixing it last time I drove by. They had the footer poured and the metal pole assembly was lying next to the road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on January 23, 2013, 03:40:13 PM
I-95 is being reconstructed just south of Downtown Jax... Constructions starts tonight.  I like how the exit for Atlantic Blvd will be a full interchange.  I also like how Philips Hwy and Kings Ave will be aligned better.  Now the Northbound side goes under I-95 but SB is lined up.  I am not sure if US1/90 will still be signed on Kings Ave.  I understand the official routing of 1/90 multiplexes w 95 but it is not signed on the expressway but on the surface streets


http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2013-01-22/story/construction-begins-158-million-project-i-95-south-downtown


http://www.i95overlandbridge.com/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 23, 2013, 05:48:22 PM
Interesting - looks like Philips is being de-emphasized as a through route.

http://www.i95overlandbridge.com/Documents/10052012/Project_Layout.pdf does a better job of showing the Atlantic/Barbara intersection (which isn't changing functionally).

The northbound braiding was indeed present in the original configuration, but removed at some point after I-95 came in: http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00071741/00010/39x?vo=32&vp=2113,2072&n=palmm http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00071741/00015/10x?vo=32&vp=4051,1019&n=palmm
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 24, 2013, 09:54:12 PM
Quote from: BamaZeus on January 21, 2013, 12:52:20 PM
In a way I'm kinda surprised 231 didn't get upgraded to I-10 as a hurricane relief route, if for nothing else.  Of course, I'd love to see it interstate-grade all the way to Montgomery, but that's another project altogether.
You know, Jackson County's official website incorrectly names it "Interstate 231."
http://www.jacksoncounty.com/campbellton-florida.html

:meh:  :hmmm: (duh) :confused:

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 25, 2013, 02:54:52 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 23, 2013, 03:40:13 PM
I am not sure if US1/90 will still be signed on Kings Ave.  I understand the official routing of 1/90 multiplexes w 95 but it is not signed on the expressway but on the surface streets

I was talking to FDOT about this when the early signage plans came out for this project back in July (mainly because I didn't want to see an error sign like this (http://goo.gl/maps/mv780) on I-10 to show up directing people to US-17/FL-228's old alignments when they are on I-10/I-95 now in that area).  The plan IS to put US-1/US-90 onto I-95 officially once and for all in that area.  The down side is that FL-5 will NOT become signed when incorrect US-1/US-90 signage is removed. :(
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 25, 2013, 03:02:04 AM
Sigh. Another independent U.S. Route alignment bites the dust.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on January 27, 2013, 07:53:36 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imm.io%2FUl6g.jpeg&hash=03ef1e1333830ae1f3471c298022dc1c50b06396)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on January 27, 2013, 10:00:39 PM
Look at these odd signs. It looks loke the US Highway 441 sign is so deformed it deos not have a middle point.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=28.807508,-81.675324&spn=0.000038,0.025063&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=28.807461,-81.675499&panoid=xxqdqiDv54pau5tT4Uh84g&cbp=12,95.64,,0,0
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 27, 2013, 10:04:26 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on January 27, 2013, 10:00:39 PM
Look at these odd signs. It looks loke the US Highway 441 sign is so deformed it deos not have a middle point.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=28.807508,-81.675324&spn=0.000038,0.025063&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=28.807461,-81.675499&panoid=xxqdqiDv54pau5tT4Uh84g&cbp=12,95.64,,0,0
It most certainly has a middle point. Looks like there's a gray sticker over it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on January 27, 2013, 10:12:53 PM
Quote from: clef on January 27, 2013, 07:53:36 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imm.io%2FUl6g.jpeg&hash=03ef1e1333830ae1f3471c298022dc1c50b06396)
Best first post ever.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on January 28, 2013, 12:10:23 AM
Quote from: Steve on January 27, 2013, 10:12:53 PM
Best first post ever.

There is another one from the other direction.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 28, 2013, 04:35:01 AM
Quote from: clef on January 28, 2013, 12:10:23 AM
Quote from: Steve on January 27, 2013, 10:12:53 PM
Best first post ever.

There is another one from the other direction.

Oooh! Town's name, please?

In somewhat unfortunate news, I visited Test Track at Epcot this weekend, hoping to catch a glimpse of the "miner's spade" Florida 97 shield, but with the remodeling, it's no longer visible. For those that have been on it before, there was once a green California state highway sign, essentially to exact specs,  with the word Florida in place of California (the number 97 denoted 1997, when the ride was opened to the public). The ride is a little longer, with more outdoor time, but even this car-geek feels the first half is a lot more sterile.

On the other side of the same park, Canada's musical show has a Trans Canadian Highway 1 shield on display.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 28, 2013, 10:10:35 AM
interesting how the red 1 is much less faded than the red crown of the 95.

I'll bet someone is using up the last of the red 1 shields, and it's a fairly recent replacement.

my guess is it's somewhere near this set:
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/FL/FL19890011i1.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on January 29, 2013, 05:40:10 PM
It's about 30 miles away from that one.

Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 28, 2013, 10:10:35 AM
interesting how the red 1 is much less faded than the red crown of the 95.

I'll bet someone is using up the last of the red 1 shields, and it's a fairly recent replacement.

my guess is it's somewhere near this set:
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/FL/FL19890011i1.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 29, 2013, 05:44:54 PM
I'm astonished there was a new red 1 to be found.  between Costa, Alex, Brent, me ... I thought we'd entirely scoured the state.  glad we hadn't!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on January 29, 2013, 05:54:41 PM
Yeah, I have lurked forever and Street Viewed lots, but I actually ran across that one in the car. There is another interesting sign nearby, with a red US1 (kind of) that I will try and get although it isn't a DOT sign. Also some keys shields near where I work.

Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 29, 2013, 05:44:54 PM
I'm astonished there was a new red 1 to be found.  between Costa, Alex, Brent, me ... I thought we'd entirely scoured the state.  glad we hadn't!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 29, 2013, 06:27:54 PM
Osceola County put up a couple ugly colored 17/92s 5-10 years ago, but they didn't survive the recent widening of Poinciana Boulevard.

I couldn't find my photos of that crapjob, but I did upload a few legit old signs: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41203461@N00/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 29, 2013, 06:37:12 PM
interestingly, the 17/92s in Lake Alfred were the first Floridachrome shields I went out of my way to photograph, in August 2006 after I saw your picture in Wikipedia.  That trip turned up a bunch of other 17/92s, including this odd duck that seems to have been refurbished the wrong color.

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/FL/FL19810171i2.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 29, 2013, 08:46:09 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 27, 2013, 10:04:26 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on January 27, 2013, 10:00:39 PM
Look at these odd signs. It looks loke the US Highway 441 sign is so deformed it deos not have a middle point.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=28.807508,-81.675324&spn=0.000038,0.025063&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=28.807461,-81.675499&panoid=xxqdqiDv54pau5tT4Uh84g&cbp=12,95.64,,0,0
It most certainly has a middle point. Looks like there's a gray sticker over it.

Neither, but it looks like the bolt holding the sign onto the pole delaminated the shield. The county shields in this area are hideous; even the pentagons are split up by two separate panels, to give the appearance of a lazy unisign.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F10%2FToUS441truck-CR19A-CRold441signs_Full.jpg&hash=e05383bab50bfe43d30e13c5606b4b2be079b7c7)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 29, 2013, 08:48:15 PM
is that a '61 spec US shield, as intended for green sign use, and resized to 21x18 and placed in a 24" square??

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/TX/TX19610541i1.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on January 30, 2013, 08:28:23 AM
Quote from: NE2 on January 29, 2013, 06:27:54 PM
Osceola County put up a couple ugly colored 17/92s 5-10 years ago, but they didn't survive the recent widening of Poinciana Boulevard.

I couldn't find my photos of that crapjob, but I did upload a few legit old signs: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41203461@N00/

Are these the ones you're talking about?

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2FPhotos%2FAlbums%2FGetThumb.ashx%3FCollection%3D5f0a48c6f7044f4bb95a72b6b57ace10%26amp%3BAlbum%3D7ef098b322f84214ba2035f32f82575d%26amp%3BPhoto%3Ddbb4045038f64d24986a82c5bb32357d%26amp%3BSize%3D800&hash=4eb09f4275c1afb893a248b0b624f137c1452e5c)

I have 13 other photos at that intersection here (http://astareglobe.org/Photos/Albums/Album.aspx?Collection=5f0a48c6f7044f4bb95a72b6b57ace10&Album=7ef098b322f84214ba2035f32f82575d). They were all taken 30 August, 2010.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 30, 2013, 09:16:26 AM
Quote from: Ace10 on January 30, 2013, 08:28:23 AM
Quote from: NE2 on January 29, 2013, 06:27:54 PM
Osceola County put up a couple ugly colored 17/92s 5-10 years ago, but they didn't survive the recent widening of Poinciana Boulevard.

I couldn't find my photos of that crapjob, but I did upload a few legit old signs: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41203461@N00/

Are these the ones you're talking about?

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2FPhotos%2FAlbums%2FGetThumb.ashx%3FCollection%3D5f0a48c6f7044f4bb95a72b6b57ace10%26amp%3BAlbum%3D7ef098b322f84214ba2035f32f82575d%26amp%3BPhoto%3Ddbb4045038f64d24986a82c5bb32357d%26amp%3BSize%3D800&hash=4eb09f4275c1afb893a248b0b624f137c1452e5c)

I have 13 other photos at that intersection here (http://astareglobe.org/Photos/Albums/Album.aspx?Collection=5f0a48c6f7044f4bb95a72b6b57ace10&Album=7ef098b322f84214ba2035f32f82575d). They were all taken 30 August, 2010.
I have photos in my library of the old signs that were both NB and SB.  I will see if I cannot post them to my flickr page.  The problem is, I lost the location of the pictures due to some piece of garbage planting a virus out there that eventually crashed my computer and did not back them up at the time.  Of course, you know from experience or word of  mouth what a virus can do to your computer.

One of them I submitted to Steve's site and the other to Adam Prince's site (gribblenation.net) if you want to see them in the meantime.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 30, 2013, 09:22:53 AM
Quote from: Ace10 on January 30, 2013, 08:28:23 AM
Are these the ones you're talking about?


those aren't bad looking at all.  '57 spec shield shape (which I find aesthetically much nicer than the '70 spec, and this example shows it can be used with no border or margin, and just a number)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on January 30, 2013, 06:18:03 PM
Quote from: clef on January 29, 2013, 05:54:41 PM
Yeah, I have lurked forever and Street Viewed lots, but I actually ran across that one in the car. There is another interesting sign nearby, with a red US1 (kind of) that I will try and get although it isn't a DOT sign. Also some keys shields near where I work.
I'm wondering if this is the red US1 (kind of) that's ~30 miles away from that other one:

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/154380_1734304846671_1979071_n.jpg)

I also wonder if these are the keys shields near where you work:

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg79393#msg79393

Or maybe I need to be looking closer to Palm Beach Gardens?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 30, 2013, 07:54:44 PM
Quote from: Ace10 on January 30, 2013, 08:28:23 AM
Are these the ones you're talking about?

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastareglobe.org%2FPhotos%2FAlbums%2FGetThumb.ashx%3FCollection%3D5f0a48c6f7044f4bb95a72b6b57ace10%26amp%3BAlbum%3D7ef098b322f84214ba2035f32f82575d%26amp%3BPhoto%3Ddbb4045038f64d24986a82c5bb32357d%26amp%3BSize%3D800&hash=4eb09f4275c1afb893a248b0b624f137c1452e5c)
Yep. My bad on the crappiness - my memory failed me.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 30, 2013, 10:02:50 PM
Noticed the large right-of-way for SR 40 at SR 11. Must be planned for an interchange.
[edit]Volusia property appraiser images are temporary; see the property lines on the Goog: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=29.22434,-81.322271&spn=0.008539,0.016512&gl=us&t=m&z=17
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on January 30, 2013, 10:35:45 PM
I meant that the US1 that I posted in #1034 was about 30 miles away from the US1/A1A in Boca. Where's that one?
Regarding the keys shields... they are in Broward, and they appear to be in the 1949 style(?)

Quote from: mefailenglish on January 30, 2013, 06:18:03 PM
Quote from: clef on January 29, 2013, 05:54:41 PM
Yeah, I have lurked forever and Street Viewed lots, but I actually ran across that one in the car. There is another interesting sign nearby, with a red US1 (kind of) that I will try and get although it isn't a DOT sign. Also some keys shields near where I work.
I'm wondering if this is the red US1 (kind of) that's ~30 miles away from that other one:

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/154380_1734304846671_1979071_n.jpg)

I also wonder if these are the keys shields near where you work:

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg79393#msg79393

Or maybe I need to be looking closer to Palm Beach Gardens?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 30, 2013, 11:55:04 PM
Quote from: clef on January 30, 2013, 10:35:45 PM
Regarding the keys shields... they are in Broward, and they appear to be in the 1949 style(?)
Not these in Miami-Dade, I assume?

Quote from: mefailenglish on October 02, 2010, 02:15:14 PM
Sure, you can still find keys shields kicking around in North Florida without looking too hard.  But in Miami-Dade County?

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg36%2Fjcm9572%2FFlorida%2520Stuff%2520Summer%25202010%2FDSCF0020.jpg&hash=79744418c37013869a0236407d8342225b8b6e27)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 31, 2013, 12:27:05 PM
those keys shields are 1961 style.  1949 has six keys. 

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/FL/FL19492671i1.jpg)

IIRC that is the last six-keys shield in the wild, unless a pair of FL-50s still survives.

nifty fonts, btw, on that '61 spec pair. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on January 31, 2013, 09:26:33 PM
The pair by my workplace has six-key shields, so it looks like both of those ideas may be inaccurate!

Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 31, 2013, 12:27:05 PM
those keys shields are 1961 style.  1949 has six keys. 

...

IIRC that is the last six-keys shield in the wild, unless a pair of FL-50s still survives.

nifty fonts, btw, on that '61 spec pair.

Definitely in Broward and definitely not those ;)
Quote from: NE2 on January 30, 2013, 11:55:04 PM
Not these in Miami-Dade, I assume?

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 31, 2013, 09:43:11 PM
Quote from: clef on January 31, 2013, 09:26:33 PM
The pair by my workplace has six-key shields, so it looks like both of those ideas may be inaccurate!

I definitely would like to see a picture of them!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on January 31, 2013, 09:53:02 PM
Is the FL-50 pair that strange one at Bennett Rd or a different one?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 31, 2013, 11:20:18 PM
Quote from: clef on January 31, 2013, 09:53:02 PM
Is the FL-50 pair that strange one at Bennett Rd or a different one?
The ones on Bennett probably date to 1972, when FDOT took it over and rebuilt it with federal aid (as a connection to the Naval Training Center).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on February 01, 2013, 09:12:24 AM
Quote from: clef on January 31, 2013, 09:53:02 PM
Is the FL-50 pair that strange one at Bennett Rd or a different one?

that's the one.

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/FL/FL19490501i1.jpg)

if they date to 1972, they sure dug up some out-of-spec old blanks, or made an out-of-spec pair.  given that they made the digits small enough to fit a number like "S-789A", they must have been cracked out that day.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on February 01, 2013, 11:14:38 AM
I'm still waiting for more clues on these supposed keys shields in Broward....otherwise, I'm out of the game.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on February 01, 2013, 02:08:01 PM
Quote from: florida on February 01, 2013, 11:14:38 AM
I'm still waiting for more clues on these supposed keys shields in Broward....otherwise, I'm out of the game.

I'll settle for them to be hung on a wall at the local Flanigan's, because it gives me a valid excuse...to go to Flanigan's.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on February 01, 2013, 10:54:08 PM
I've had a very busy week but I'll try and snap them. Meanwhile where are the remaining color US 98s? I found one on street view but I don't know if it's known.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on February 02, 2013, 08:40:59 AM
Quote from: clef on January 30, 2013, 10:35:45 PM
I meant that the US1 that I posted in #1034 was about 30 miles away from the US1/A1A in Boca. Where's that one?
Also about 30 miles away from Boca.  Actually probably more like 35.  North Miami, on one of the side streets between 441 and 1.  Just stumbled across it by accident.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on February 02, 2013, 10:15:02 AM
Quote from: clef on February 01, 2013, 10:54:08 PM
I've had a very busy week but I'll try and snap them. Meanwhile where are the remaining color US 98s? I found one on street view but I don't know if it's known.

There are up to 15 remaining from Panama City Beach east to Perry. I can pass along their locations if you are interested.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on February 02, 2013, 10:30:37 AM
Quote from: Alex on February 02, 2013, 10:15:02 AM
Quote from: clef on February 01, 2013, 10:54:08 PM
I've had a very busy week but I'll try and snap them. Meanwhile where are the remaining color US 98s? I found one on street view but I don't know if it's known.

There are up to 15 remaining from Panama City Beach east to Perry. I can pass along their locations if you are interested.

Sure, I've found one or two out that way. But I also just stumbled across one that's not in the panhandle.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on February 04, 2013, 07:47:24 PM
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-OkYEyE2M7eI/URBTGQkrUOI/AAAAAAAADtE/JTARcI0bCYA/s800/IMG_20130203_140613.jpg)
One of two remaining Cecil B. Sawgrass signs (that I know of.) The grass behind him is mostly faded on both.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-E2_HfYK2uZo/UQ7hvd_eplI/AAAAAAAADro/6HfOAFiRqWQ/s800/.jpg)
Error FL-441 shield on FL-736 EB, found it by accident yesterday. There used to be several of these around Broward but most have been replaced. There are also some error FL-441s amidst the construction on I-595.

and...
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 31, 2013, 12:27:05 PM
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/FL/FL19492671i1.jpg)
IIRC that is the last six-keys shield in the wild, unless a pair of FL-50s still survives.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-L-3tZMhpKS0/UQ7eWhcEdlI/AAAAAAAADqw/pKndZR1YnzY/s800/.jpg)
Seemingly (obviously) predates I-595 since the bus stop sign looks like it replaced a left arrow. Turning left onto FL-84 WB hasn't been possible in a few decades. Looks like there are six-key shields in at least three spots ;)

I drove by the red US 1 that I posted last week, again. There is a sticker on the back but it's going to be difficult to get a good look at it. It (and its counterpart) do look pretty new...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on February 05, 2013, 08:12:49 AM
Clef, thanks for posting these!

Quote from: clef on February 04, 2013, 07:47:24 PM
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-OkYEyE2M7eI/URBTGQkrUOI/AAAAAAAADtE/JTARcI0bCYA/s800/IMG_20130203_140613.jpg)
One of two remaining Cecil B. Sawgrass signs (that I know of.) The grass behind him is mostly faded on both.

So that's the other one. Heard about, never saw it. Seems to be in a residential neighborhood.

Quote from: clef

Seemingly (obviously) predates I-595 since the bus stop sign looks like it replaced a left arrow. Turning left onto FL-84 WB hasn't been possible in a few decades. Looks like there are six-key shields in at least three spots ;

Haven't seen one of those orange BCt signs in about 15 years, either! Now I have a pretty good idea where that is...been meaning to check it out.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on February 05, 2013, 09:21:54 AM
Quote from: clef on February 04, 2013, 07:47:24 PM

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-E2_HfYK2uZo/UQ7hvd_eplI/AAAAAAAADro/6HfOAFiRqWQ/s800/.jpg)
Error FL-441 shield on FL-736 EB, found it by accident yesterday. There used to be several of these around Broward but most have been replaced. There are also some error FL-441s amidst the construction on I-595.

Send the sign 270 miles north to Daytona Beach.  There is a current FL 441 running along the east shore of the Halifax River.

SNIP unnecessary photos...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on February 05, 2013, 10:54:48 AM
Found the SR 84 signs in Street View...will get a shot of it on my way back from the airport.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on February 05, 2013, 12:12:23 PM
Quote from: clef on February 02, 2013, 10:30:37 AM

Sure, I've found one or two out that way. But I also just stumbled across one that's not in the panhandle.

there is one in West Palm Beach, as of December 2009.  I had thought it was on US-1 southbound, but Google Street View shows modern shields for both the JCT and the arrows assembly.

I do remember remarking "is that on a state highway?  wow". 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on February 05, 2013, 08:32:49 PM
I'm very impressed, clef! Last June, I was down in the area and made it a point to completely clinch SR 84 in Broward County, but obviously I passed right by these signs! (And got photos of the 84 Diner instead, ha ha.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 07, 2013, 07:31:24 PM
Saw a new arrow-per-lane sign today, likely put up by Disney to replace this one (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=28.364252,-81.532438&spn=0.00861,0.016512&gl=us&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=28.364301,-81.532554&panoid=cOy582aLnQ7rXSbVwcgXXQ&cbp=12,111.78,,1,-8.63). The left side now includes Toll 417, with a slightly nonstandard shield (making me think it's a Disney job).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on February 09, 2013, 09:16:25 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on February 05, 2013, 12:12:23 PM
there is one in West Palm Beach, as of December 2009.  I had thought it was on US-1 southbound, but Google Street View shows modern shields for both the JCT and the arrows assembly.
It was there until Sept 2010 at least (that's when I got a picture of it) but it's definitely gone now.

And thanks Clef for the photos.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on February 09, 2013, 03:20:49 PM
Here's the SR 84 signs Clef posted; they're definitely still around. I too a photo last night:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F11%2FSR84sixKeyShieldsNight.jpg&hash=2345c050ca06141ecd26f96786e8ae6ee7e7ac85)

Here's a full-size copy (http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/SR84sixKeyShieldsNight_Full.jpg) [2.6 MB], showing the deteriorating reflective sheeting (which makes me wonder how old it really is, I didn't see any date on the backs of the signs).

The Four-keys shields didn't seem to use the reflective stuff, but maybe all the ones I've seen in the field have just worn off, since they appear to be more or less hand-painted. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, of course. If so, nice job using an old standard for a template!

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on February 12, 2013, 07:46:43 PM
Quote from: NE2 on February 07, 2013, 07:31:24 PM
Saw a new arrow-per-lane sign today, likely put up by Disney to replace this one (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=28.364252,-81.532438&spn=0.00861,0.016512&gl=us&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=28.364301,-81.532554&panoid=cOy582aLnQ7rXSbVwcgXXQ&cbp=12,111.78,,1,-8.63). The left side now includes Toll 417, with a slightly nonstandard shield (making me think it's a Disney job).

Nonstandard how? FDOT has some pretty fugly toll shields along I-4, like the square-ish one for the 417 on I-4 EB.

I always assumed the green signs were FDOT and not Disney since they were green and not purple, and they used normal shields and not the cartoony Disney stylized ones.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on February 12, 2013, 07:58:43 PM
Quote from: NE2 on February 07, 2013, 07:31:24 PM
Saw a new arrow-per-lane sign today, likely put up by Disney to replace this one (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=28.364252,-81.532438&spn=0.00861,0.016512&gl=us&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=28.364301,-81.532554&panoid=cOy582aLnQ7rXSbVwcgXXQ&cbp=12,111.78,,1,-8.63). The left side now includes Toll 417, with a slightly nonstandard shield (making me think it's a Disney job).
The new FL 417 exit signs on EB FL 408 are the same as the replacement ones that you mention.  I have also seen some elsewhere in some photos someplace.  I wanna say where, but I cannot remember who posted them and where, but I am sure that person is a user and will let us know soon. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 12, 2013, 08:04:36 PM
Quote from: realjd on February 12, 2013, 07:46:43 PM
Nonstandard how? FDOT has some pretty fugly toll shields along I-4, like the square-ish one for the 417 on I-4 EB.
Can't remember exactly.

Quote from: roadman65 on February 12, 2013, 07:58:43 PM
I wanna say Alanland, but I cannot remember who posted them and where, but I am sure that unperson is a goat and will let us know soon. 
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg180539#msg180539
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on February 12, 2013, 08:17:23 PM
I like the ones on I-
Quote from: realjd on February 12, 2013, 07:46:43 PM
Quote from: NE2 on February 07, 2013, 07:31:24 PM
Saw a new arrow-per-lane sign today, likely put up by Disney to replace this one (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=28.364252,-81.532438&spn=0.00861,0.016512&gl=us&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=28.364301,-81.532554&panoid=cOy582aLnQ7rXSbVwcgXXQ&cbp=12,111.78,,1,-8.63). The left side now includes Toll 417, with a slightly nonstandard shield (making me think it's a Disney job).

Nonstandard how? FDOT has some pretty fugly toll shields along I-4, like the square-ish one for the 417 on I-4 EB.

I always assumed the green signs were FDOT and not Disney since they were green and not purple, and they used normal shields and not the cartoony Disney stylized ones.
I like the "fugly" ones you mention on Westbound I-4 at FL 528.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on February 13, 2013, 05:42:57 PM
Another section of SR 559 has been added from SR 655 north to approximately 900 feet south of Derby Ave (CR 544A). [10/30]

SR 56 has officially been added from SR 581 to Meadow Pointe Blvd. [12/14]
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 13, 2013, 05:57:44 PM
Quote from: florida on February 13, 2013, 05:42:57 PM
Another section of SR 559 has been added from SR 655 north to approximately 900 feet south of Derby Ave (CR 544A). [10/30]
Opened at the end of 2011: http://www.theledger.com/article/20111228/news/111229309
One of these days I'll go check it out.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on February 13, 2013, 07:38:28 PM
Quote from: NE2 on February 13, 2013, 05:57:44 PM
Quote from: florida on February 13, 2013, 05:42:57 PM
Another section of SR 559 has been added from SR 655 north to approximately 900 feet south of Derby Ave (CR 544A). [10/30]
Opened at the end of 2011: http://www.theledger.com/article/20111228/news/111229309
One of these days I'll go check it out.

It's still pending transfer between CR 544A and US 92(& other SR 559). Was this to alleviate congestion between Recker Hwy and Main Street on US 92?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 13, 2013, 08:23:33 PM
I think it's more of a general connectivity improvement: http://www.doh.state.fl.us/Environment/programs/PACE-EH/Polk/Combee_9.pdf
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 17, 2013, 12:12:37 PM
New photos of the SR 429 realignment and SR 408-417 reconfiguration:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8519%2F8482904558_d40264b63c_z.jpg&hash=c361993bea7950e00deb10f62b4936f70964a2c3)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8225%2F8481814393_8cee61cc0e_c.jpg&hash=75049175556890fcbc339b209140e28f90e80c15)
More at http://www.flickr.com/photos/41203461@N00/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 19, 2013, 01:05:52 AM
FDOT Region #7 has a big construction project for SR 50 right now, and they have a sign eastbound which reads Junction Hernando County Road 583. The trouble is, that sign is past Hernando County Road 583!

:eyebrow: :poke:  :crazy:

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on February 19, 2013, 10:30:43 AM
QuoteFDOT Region #7 has a big construction project for SR 50 right now, and they have a sign eastbound which reads Junction Hernando County Road 583. The trouble is, that sign is past Hernando County Road 583!

This is kinda like on I-35E in Corinth, Tx; where the FM 2181 exit was moved back in 2006, but the "Corinth Next 4 Exits" sign was not moved, so it's now after the first Corith exit (FM 2181).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 19, 2013, 04:18:36 PM
NewGeography.com:  How We Should Navigate the Florida Archipelago (http://www.newgeography.com/content/003440-how-we-should-navigate-florida-archipelago)

QuoteLeafy, timeless rural routes and monotonous, flat highways have characterized Florida's network of state roads since the early 20th century. Vacationers in the Sunshine State either stick to the interstates — often a hot, frustrating parking lot — or consign themselves to the stop-and-go, confusing local roads. Future Corridors, the state's vision of a future, integrated road network, is set to finish its conceptual phase this year, and promises to radically revamp the state's road system. Since this vision will quickly harden, it deserves a close look by a broad portion of the state's population to see if it truly addresses the state's needs or, like so many Florida initiatives (the state's notorious voting system comes to mind), becomes an ignominious reminder of provincial politics at its worst.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on February 19, 2013, 04:20:50 PM
there are lots of high-speed non-interstate corridors in Florida.  four-lane US-27 comes to mind.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 19, 2013, 04:29:34 PM
Sadly US 27 is becoming sprawl city north of about Lake Wales.

My favorite high-speed surface road is US 441 where it parallels I-75 between Ocala and Gainesville. Four lanes, mostly 55-60 mph (it slows down a bit through towns), and hardly any traffic. Much more peaceful than I-75.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on February 19, 2013, 04:32:03 PM
Quote from: NE2 on February 19, 2013, 04:29:34 PM
Sadly US 27 is becoming sprawl city north of about Lake Wales.

My favorite high-speed surface road is US 441 where it parallels I-75 between Ocala and Gainesville. Four lanes, mostly 55-60 mph (it slows down a bit through towns), and hardly any traffic. Much more peaceful than I-75.

got it.  I was visualizing more like Tallahassee to I-75 when I thought of "US-27".  US-19 in the same general vicinity comes to mind as well.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 19, 2013, 04:32:46 PM
As for the plan, one wonders why US 301 isn't on this map: http://www.flfuturecorridors.org/tampa_about.htm It's certainly part of the SIS.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on February 19, 2013, 06:10:04 PM
Agreed on US 27, it is garbage as a through route because of the sprawl, especially from the Four Corners Area north to Clermont. Once you get south of Lake Placid it goes back to being a decent road.

One of my favored four-lane routes is US 19/98 north from Inglis to Perry and US 19/27 from Perry to Capps. Bypasses of Perry, Cross City, Fanning Springs, and Chiefland would be nice, but traffic is never an issue through those towns.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on February 21, 2013, 10:45:13 PM
What the...found this empty US highway shield on Glades County Road 721A

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=27.081213,-81.070819&spn=0.000038,0.025063&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=27.081205,-81.07073&panoid=q-hJDNrHUIu7nvrbp1ac3A&cbp=12,327.82,,0,0 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=27.081213,-81.070819&spn=0.000038,0.025063&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=27.081205,-81.07073&panoid=q-hJDNrHUIu7nvrbp1ac3A&cbp=12,327.82,,0,0)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on February 21, 2013, 11:19:27 PM
Quote from: NE2 on February 19, 2013, 04:32:46 PM
As for the plan, one wonders why US 301 isn't on this map: http://www.flfuturecorridors.org/tampa_about.htm It's certainly part of the SIS.

A link from I-75  to the First Coast Outer Beltway( SR 23) in Clay County would make sense.  Use 301 and the proposed Starke bypass perhaps.  Its right now around 20 miles, part of SR 16 is already a 65 MPH 4-lane highway with very little development near Camp Blanding

A upgraded 301 would be helpful with bypasses of Waldo and Lawtey along with the Starke bypass
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on February 22, 2013, 09:49:26 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on February 21, 2013, 10:45:13 PM
What the...found this empty US highway shield on Glades County Road 721A


that's not even all that close to any US highway.  about 15 miles to US-27.

I wonder what the purpose of the sign was.  maybe it was a blank that was repurposed to make another regulatory sign, and then the new verbiage fell off?  the sign does appear to be serving northbound traffic, so the southern sun would bake it every day.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: BamaZeus on February 22, 2013, 10:50:13 AM
But the catch is that there is a CR sign 100 feet beyond the first one.  If anything, you'd figure the CR sign would be attached to the same pole as the weight limit sign.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 22, 2013, 12:02:00 PM
Quote from: Alex on February 19, 2013, 06:10:04 PM
Agreed on US 27, it is garbage as a through route because of the sprawl, especially from the Four Corners Area north to Clermont. Once you get south of Lake Placid it goes back to being a decent road.
What they should've done with all that development was concentrate on putting it along frontage roads, and maybe adding a few more interchanges and even overpasses/underpasses with no access. Right now, they're rebuilding the interchange with US 27 & SR 50 as a cloverleaf interchange, and using South Grand Highway as the north-to-eastbound off-ramp. The trouble is, it doesn't include closing off the intersection with Hook Street.


Quote from: Alex on February 19, 2013, 06:10:04 PM
One of my favored four-lane routes is US 19/98 north from Inglis to Perry and US 19/27 from Perry to Capps. Bypasses of Perry, Cross City, Fanning Springs, and Chiefland would be nice, but traffic is never an issue through those towns.
Well, in Chiefland, they did redesign the US 19/98/Alt 27/129 intersection roughly a decade ago, so that US Alt 27 would be further away from US 129, and made the old road a dead end. Not exactly a bypass, but it keeps the two intersections separate from each other, so that's still good.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on February 22, 2013, 11:34:54 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on February 22, 2013, 09:49:26 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on February 21, 2013, 10:45:13 PM
What the...found this empty US highway shield on Glades County Road 721A


that's not even all that close to any US highway.  about 15 miles to US-27.

I wonder what the purpose of the sign was.  maybe it was a blank that was repurposed to make another regulatory sign, and then the new verbiage fell off?  the sign does appear to be serving northbound traffic, so the southern sun would bake it every day.
This.  It's on the Seminole Brighton reservation and a few of the roads have these.  They are supposed to have some red writing on them (as I recall, it related to BIA), and that one's been "baked" away.  I thought I had a picture of one, but while I found my photo of the C-721A shield, I don't have one of the "US highway".
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on February 23, 2013, 10:45:23 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 22, 2013, 12:02:00 PM
Quote from: Alex on February 19, 2013, 06:10:04 PM
Agreed on US 27, it is garbage as a through route because of the sprawl, especially from the Four Corners Area north to Clermont. Once you get south of Lake Placid it goes back to being a decent road.
What they should've done with all that development was concentrate on putting it along frontage roads, and maybe adding a few more interchanges and even overpasses/underpasses with no access. Right now, they're rebuilding the interchange with US 27 & SR 50 as a cloverleaf interchange, and using South Grand Highway as the north-to-eastbound off-ramp. The trouble is, it doesn't include closing off the intersection with Hook Street.


Quote from: Alex on February 19, 2013, 06:10:04 PM
One of my favored four-lane routes is US 19/98 north from Inglis to Perry and US 19/27 from Perry to Capps. Bypasses of Perry, Cross City, Fanning Springs, and Chiefland would be nice, but traffic is never an issue through those towns.
Well, in Chiefland, they did redesign the US 19/98/Alt 27/129 intersection roughly a decade ago, so that US Alt 27 would be further away from US 129, and made the old road a dead end. Not exactly a bypass, but it keeps the two intersections separate from each other, so that's still good.


I was on that particular stretch a few weeks ago.  Fortunately there still is a segment between 4 Corners and Clermont that still is rural and 65 mph.  Of course it is a matter of time, before that gets developed and downgraded to arterial.

Hopefully, the FDOT, Florida Turnpike Enterprise, and the OOCEA will coordinate building the proposed SR 408 extension to Clermont as that might help some of the current traffic problems, but they need to act on the public opinion research the OOCEA allowed Central Florida residents to take part in to see the needs of commuters like us citizens that showed demand for a bypass of US 27.  Of course, the conclusion of the study showed that the SR 570 (Polk Parkway) and SR 408 would be connected via a new proposed expressway.  If they modified the plans somewhat and figure a way to add some extensions to it maybe from the SE part of the 570 loop around Lakeland and back to US 27 south of Lake Wales, you may have a through route or somewhat of one as this would, if built, connect with US 27 south of SR 50.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on February 23, 2013, 02:37:13 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/8498752052/in/photostream

Another FL 536 type of sign showing up.  I have seen it to on the new FL 429 extension and in photos on other road sites in other states.  This, I guess, is the new trend, or at least the latest in Florida.

I think it is a splendid idea, as it shows the lane configurations in detail.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: PurdueBill on February 23, 2013, 10:38:26 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 23, 2013, 02:37:13 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/8498752052/in/photostream

Another FL 536 type of sign showing up.  I have seen it to on the new FL 429 extension and in photos on other road sites in other states.  This, I guess, is the new trend, or at least the latest in Florida.

I think it is a splendid idea, as it shows the lane configurations in detail.

If they are going to do an arrow-per-lane sign, the least they could do is use the proper curved arrows.  I've made PowerPoint sign cartoons that had better arrows than that real sign! 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 23, 2013, 10:49:51 PM
The one on Epcot Center Drive leaving Disney uses the proper curves. It's the OOCEA that uses the straight diagonals (which I don't think look that bad, personally).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: PurdueBill on February 23, 2013, 11:09:07 PM
In my mind, the straight arrows on the OOCEA sign look too much like arrows suggesting that the exit is right there, like those on a gore sign or sign at the exit.  The properly-curved ones would imply that the exit is ahead, not right at the sign.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 11, 2013, 12:42:17 PM
I was traveling the FL 570 Polk Parkway, and there was construction taking place between Old Dixie Highway and Pace Road near Auburndale that had the EB Lanes closed and detoured all traffic onto nearby Berkley Road.  Therefore, I was unable to see if the Super 2 still exists between those two points.  Does anyone have an information if it still does, as Wikipedia and GSV still show evidence of old.  Plus from Pace Road to I-4 it was four lanes and looked like fresh asphalt, but it was 11 PM at night, so my view was naturally distorted.

Also, I am guessing that the Pace Road Sun Pass Only is the start of toll elimination on FL 570, as in Tampa the THEA eliminated cash tolls on the Lee Roy Selmon Expressway and now is exclusively open road tolling.  I know that someday we will have to all carry transponders, as for years it was talk of going open road all the way in many different places which would mean that it would eventually catch on and be everywhere! 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 11, 2013, 07:27:19 PM
http://www.floridasturnpike.com/construction_current.cfm#polk
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on March 12, 2013, 01:30:01 AM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.onlyindade.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F09%2Fwtf-241x300.jpg&hash=9cb1ccb2b9f206ab3d54f481cf151866393ce3a7)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on March 19, 2013, 05:00:51 PM
The new Tamiami Trail/Everglades (US 41) bridge:

http://www.local10.com/news/Tamiami-Trail-Bridge-completed/-/1717324/19381180/-/jtt9w5/-/index.html
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on March 20, 2013, 01:04:46 AM

QuoteThe new Tamiami Trail/Everglades (US 41) bridge:
Thanks; I was just wondering about this. Google needs to update it's imagery of this area.
Normally I dislike tax money being spent on enviornmental studies for highways, ect, especially in Texas where there's not much to worry about. However, the Everglades are unique, and it's good to see that they are making an effort to somewhat undo man's earlier F-ups. Far as I'm concerned, they should've never dug all the canals in this area, or built the dikes around lake Okachobee. Yeah i know the Hurricane of 1928 pushed water out of the lake and killed about 2500 folks, but they should've told the rest to either move or live with the risk. It is neat how the natural water flow works (worked) in this area, and it should have never been disturbed. Man does not need to conquer/use every availible piece of land in existance.

It does sound like they spent more than nessesary to make the bridge higher than really needed.


On a unrelated note, check out these ovesized US 41 shields:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=26.496539,-81.847093&spn=0.000038,0.025063&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=26.496536,-81.847218&panoid=OmpTLEDj2-a7F2hWLjzwWg&cbp=12,290.32,,0,0 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=26.496539,-81.847093&spn=0.000038,0.025063&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=26.496536,-81.847218&panoid=OmpTLEDj2-a7F2hWLjzwWg&cbp=12,290.32,,0,0)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 25, 2013, 12:22:07 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on March 19, 2013, 05:00:51 PM
The new Tamiami Trail/Everglades (US 41) bridge:

http://www.local10.com/news/Tamiami-Trail-Bridge-completed/-/1717324/19381180/-/jtt9w5/-/index.html

$81 million for a single two-lane bridge, and using money from BP oil spill compensation.

Something's really not right here.

:poke:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on March 25, 2013, 12:40:10 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on March 25, 2013, 12:22:07 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on March 19, 2013, 05:00:51 PM
The new Tamiami Trail/Everglades (US 41) bridge:

http://www.local10.com/news/Tamiami-Trail-Bridge-completed/-/1717324/19381180/-/jtt9w5/-/index.html

$81 million for a single two-lane bridge, and using money from BP oil spill compensation.

Something's really not right here.

:poke:

Using BP oil spill compensation for environmental improvement projects seems appropriate to me.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 25, 2013, 02:29:08 PM
What's not right is D-Dey's knee. It's jerking.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 26, 2013, 08:04:42 AM
Quote from: NE2 on March 25, 2013, 02:29:08 PM
What's not right is D-Dey's knee. It's jerking.

He's got a point; The Everglades weren't technically affected by the spill. The Panhandle was, however (among other Gulf regions). There's been talk of the raised bridge for a while, I do recall talk about it back in 2007 or so, which predates the Deepwater Horizon disaster.

Still, money flows one way or another, it just never seems to wash ashore immediately.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 28, 2013, 08:08:33 AM
Okay, here's another thing that puzzles me about the so-called "Sunshine State;"

I'm working on a Wikipedia article for Florida State Road 276, and I saw some images of Google Street View showing a sign directing motorists to either State Road 73 or US 90 Business in Marianna.

I know SR 73 is overlapped by US 90 in that town, but where the hell is BUS US 90 there?

:confused:

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on March 28, 2013, 10:39:34 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on March 28, 2013, 08:08:33 AM
Okay, here's another thing that puzzles me about the so-called "Sunshine State;"

I'm working on a Wikipedia article for Florida State Road 276, and I saw some images of Google Street View showing a sign directing motorists to either State Road 73 or US 90 Business in Marianna.

I know SR 73 is overlapped by US 90 in that town, but where the hell is BUS US 90 there?

:confused:



I'd guess it's mis-signed. I don't know that there are any BUS US90 roads in FL.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 28, 2013, 10:50:51 AM
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=30.783267,-85.250194&spn=0.008406,0.016512&gl=us&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=30.783365,-85.250186&panoid=TGnriTywLFQLYxA-zyLhQg&cbp=12,23.52,,0,4.33
Yep, what the fuck. I followed US 90 east through Marianna and no business route.

But I found some button copy: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=30.774049,-85.226526&spn=0.008407,0.016512&gl=us&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=30.774039,-85.22616&panoid=vOzdzFhtL9k0-2hnGcAFaA&cbp=12,281.37,,2,-14.72

And a blue US 90 (2008 photo; two more on the road to the right): http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=30.782511,-85.276952&spn=0.033625,0.066047&gl=us&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=30.782495,-85.277081&panoid=xhxK82_oUkPgGXQjE_CKcQ&cbp=12,287.89,,0,5.56
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 28, 2013, 10:55:29 AM
yep, that button copy sign was there in 2006 when I last drove US-90 through there.  I also saw some state-named I-10 shields, which appear to not be there on the 2008 street view imagery.  they weren't old - they were part of that ~2003 batch of I-10 and I-75 trailblazers with state names that that FDOT district put up.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on March 28, 2013, 11:46:13 AM
There isn't a Business US 90 in Marianna, never has been.  I have extended family that lives in the area and I've been up there since I was a little boy (we have a farm there).

Definitely not signed correctly.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mapmikey on March 28, 2013, 12:48:39 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 28, 2013, 10:50:51 AM
And a blue US 90 (2008 photo; two more on the road to the right): http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=30.782511,-85.276952&spn=0.033625,0.066047&gl=us&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=30.782495,-85.277081&panoid=xhxK82_oUkPgGXQjE_CKcQ&cbp=12,287.89,,0,5.56

Here's a 4th on the other end of that route: http://goo.gl/maps/65Bu7

An old C-10-A shield: http://goo.gl/maps/sf08V

Mapmikey
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on March 28, 2013, 08:53:42 PM
Looking around on Streetview, I've found a ton of C-XXX signs around the FL Panhandle. I've also found a ton of old, deteriorated state route markers on CO roads that intersect state roads.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 28, 2013, 11:48:03 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on March 28, 2013, 11:46:13 AM
There isn't a Business US 90 in Marianna, never has been.  I have extended family that lives in the area and I've been up there since I was a little boy (we have a farm there).

Definitely not signed correctly.
Thanks for the info. Now I don't know whether to call in to FDOT Region #3, or wait until some of you take a picture of the error and publishes it.

:-| :confused: :paranoid:

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mstgator on March 29, 2013, 05:40:48 PM
Speaking of errors...

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/3/29/cape_canaveral_local.html
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on March 30, 2013, 11:00:34 AM
Quote from: mstgator on March 29, 2013, 05:40:48 PM
Speaking of errors...

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/3/29/cape_canaveral_local.html

Considering the erratic way they signed I-95 in Brevard when they went to six lanes, nothing surprises me there anymore.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on March 30, 2013, 12:18:17 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on March 30, 2013, 11:00:34 AM
Quote from: mstgator on March 29, 2013, 05:40:48 PM
Speaking of errors...

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/3/29/cape_canaveral_local.html

Considering the erratic way they signed I-95 in Brevard when they went to six lanes, nothing surprises me there anymore.

Erratic? The signs seem OK to me. What are your complaints?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on March 30, 2013, 01:04:58 PM
Quote from: realjd on March 30, 2013, 12:18:17 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on March 30, 2013, 11:00:34 AM
Quote from: mstgator on March 29, 2013, 05:40:48 PM
Speaking of errors...

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/3/29/cape_canaveral_local.html

Considering the erratic way they signed I-95 in Brevard when they went to six lanes, nothing surprises me there anymore.

Erratic? The signs seem OK to me. What are your complaints?

The way the street names are offset on the overheads varies between exits, and that irritates me.

Example: The signs at Malabar Road and Palm Bay Road where the names are to the right of the route shield, that works; it's almost like the old Capital Beltway signs of the early 60s.

The ones north of there, like Eau Gallie (insert route shield) Causeway, Pineda (insert route shield) Causeway, Wickham (insert route shield) Road...no, no, NO!  It's horrid.

And don't get me started on Fiske Boulevard, with different sized fonts on different signs!

Apparently the contractor who installed the signs didn't give a damn about consistency or was just sloppy and FDOT (or Brevard County) didn't care.

Sorry, but I drive I-95 all the time and it's one of my pet peeves.  Do it right, do it consistently or don't bother.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 30, 2013, 01:53:33 PM
If it makes you feel any better, BGS' throughout the entire state, on any route, are inconsistent.

But I agree, the Malabar Road and Palm Bay Blvd examples are my favorites; shield to the left, local name to the right (in a smaller size), and destination underneath both (larger font).

http://www.flickr.com/photos/formulanone/5962803480/in/set-72157616052613200

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on March 31, 2013, 02:08:08 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on March 28, 2013, 11:48:03 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on March 28, 2013, 11:46:13 AM
There isn't a Business US 90 in Marianna, never has been.  I have extended family that lives in the area and I've been up there since I was a little boy (we have a farm there).

Definitely not signed correctly.
Thanks for the info. Now I don't know whether to call in to FDOT Region #3, or wait until some of you take a picture of the error and publishes it.

:-| :confused: :paranoid:



The only reason it could be signed that way is for central-business district purposes since SR 276 ends at US 90 way west of the downtown core. Also, the "TO" above the shields doesn't help matters either.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on March 31, 2013, 07:12:12 AM
Quote from: DeaconG on March 30, 2013, 01:04:58 PM
Quote from: realjd on March 30, 2013, 12:18:17 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on March 30, 2013, 11:00:34 AM
Quote from: mstgator on March 29, 2013, 05:40:48 PM
Speaking of errors...

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/3/29/cape_canaveral_local.html

Considering the erratic way they signed I-95 in Brevard when they went to six lanes, nothing surprises me there anymore.

Erratic? The signs seem OK to me. What are your complaints?

The way the street names are offset on the overheads varies between exits, and that irritates me.

Example: The signs at Malabar Road and Palm Bay Road where the names are to the right of the route shield, that works; it's almost like the old Capital Beltway signs of the early 60s.

The ones north of there, like Eau Gallie (insert route shield) Causeway, Pineda (insert route shield) Causeway, Wickham (insert route shield) Road...no, no, NO!  It's horrid.

And don't get me started on Fiske Boulevard, with different sized fonts on different signs!

Apparently the contractor who installed the signs didn't give a damn about consistency or was just sloppy and FDOT (or Brevard County) didn't care.

Sorry, but I drive I-95 all the time and it's one of my pet peeves.  Do it right, do it consistently or don't bother.

Gotcha. Yeah, I'm not a fan of putting the shield between the road names either. I was happy that they finally signed Viera by name though.

The reason the PB Road and Malabar signs are different is that it was 6-landing that short stretch was a separate project done by a different contractor. It actually opened weeks before the extra lanes north of PB Road did.
Title: New signs on FL 869
Post by: clef on April 02, 2013, 10:26:25 PM
New overhead signs going up on the Sawgrass

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-uyDlSQ7JJ8w/UVuRVHeGpLI/AAAAAAAAExo/F7kluKUJ7m4/s800/IMG_20130402_151124.JPG)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-oT5lTdZwue0/UVuSjksmR8I/AAAAAAAAEx8/lgWW4TpFmug/s790/photo.jpg)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-PP9jodpjTIc/UVuTAT9D3mI/AAAAAAAAEyA/RVxbUxyaib4/s941/photo.jpg)


Several more gantries sitting in the median by the south interchange.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on April 02, 2013, 11:37:42 PM
The twin-posted BGS are less than five years old.  What a waste of toll revenue.

I was surprised that the most recent replacement signage, installed once the entire roadway was expanded to six lanes, was no longer overhead.

As an aside, much of the original overhead signage was severely damaged during Hurricane Wilma, one exception being at the Sample Road exit, southbound.  Those signs were pock-marked from bullets. :ded:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on April 03, 2013, 06:06:16 PM
I'm assuming the idea here is that these won't blow over in the next storm... unlike the standing BGSs
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on April 03, 2013, 06:53:35 PM
The elevated gantries do hold up better than when the BGS are on posts.  The destruction of Interstate 75's two-post signage on the Gulf Coast after Hurricane Charley will confirm that situation.

Nonetheless, some of the overhead gantries did come down with Hurricane Wilma and/or just ripped the signs completely off the gantries, leaving twisted bracing bars.  There was a huge pile of broken, twisted and heavily damaged signage in the grassy circle between the exit ramp from the Sawgrass Expressway (FL 869) westbound and US 441 southbound after Wilma.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 03, 2013, 08:32:50 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on April 03, 2013, 06:53:35 PM
The elevated gantries do hold up better than when the BGS are on posts.  The destruction of Interstate 75's two-post signage on the Gulf Coast after Hurricane Charley will confirm that situation.

Nonetheless, some of the overhead gantries did come down with Hurricane Wilma and/or just ripped the signs completely off the gantries, leaving twisted bracing bars.  There was a huge pile of broken, twisted and heavily damaged signage in the grassy circle between the exit ramp from the Sawgrass Expressway (FL 869) westbound and US 441 southbound after Wilma.

Indeed, many of the overheads in South Florida were partially ripped a part and/or had their light fixtures skewed. Have several photos from a couple trips there in spring 2006 showing damaged signs. On FL 869 south specifically, the Coral Ridge Drive exit signs were gone and only one of the Sample Road signs was still standing. All signs for Oakland Park Boulevard were gone, and the sign bridge for the panel at the gore point was laying on the ground when we passed by. I could go on, but you remember it too!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on April 03, 2013, 10:17:45 PM
Quote from: formulanone on March 30, 2013, 01:53:33 PM
If it makes you feel any better, BGS' throughout the entire state, on any route, are inconsistent.

But I agree, the Malabar Road and Palm Bay Blvd examples are my favorites; shield to the left, local name to the right (in a smaller size), and destination underneath both (larger font).

http://www.flickr.com/photos/formulanone/5962803480/in/set-72157616052613200



I agree here... I always liked how Maryland signed roads this way. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on April 04, 2013, 06:55:21 AM
Here's the other examples, with the street name split by the shields (photos from April 2011):

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F04%2FSR518-EauGallieBlvd-Int95n-Exit183.jpg&hash=7cceb6e5e708764c1025521f5eff5f1aa072a5ce)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F04%2FCR509-WickhamRoad-Int95nExit191.jpg&hash=7b3f07fb2e2b9d333d408f0ef09aebf55eb73857)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on April 04, 2013, 12:34:07 PM
Quote from: formulanone on April 04, 2013, 06:55:21 AM
Here's the other examples, with the street name split by the shields (photos from April 2011):

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F04%2FSR518-EauGallieBlvd-Int95n-Exit183.jpg&hash=7cceb6e5e708764c1025521f5eff5f1aa072a5ce)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F04%2FCR509-WickhamRoad-Int95nExit191.jpg&hash=7b3f07fb2e2b9d333d408f0ef09aebf55eb73857)

GAHHHHHH!!! (makes sign of cross) TAKE IT AWAYYYY!!!!  :ded: :pan: :crazy:

Sorry... :biggrin:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on April 06, 2013, 03:46:24 PM
New MMs spotted in Miami-Dade:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg36%2Fjcm9572%2FIMG_0987_zps86512c70.jpg&hash=9abc5fc8fff302048279c80d58bb400810c9542c)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg36%2Fjcm9572%2FIMG_0988_zpsb266b1f7.jpg&hash=61d6f5c11dbb630fe45725220fa3ad9188c45ecc)

No idea why the US 27 one is blue and the SR 997 one is green. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on April 06, 2013, 03:52:01 PM
Found this little guy today.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-eJBtsHCucsU/UWB8dwYMZKI/AAAAAAAAEzw/mWxdo1eyfiA/s468/photo.jpg)

Makes three, that I know of anyway.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on April 06, 2013, 10:56:26 PM
For our members who may be interested:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/broward/fl-turnpike-bridge-demolition-live-20130406,0,1299264.story
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on April 07, 2013, 02:00:10 AM
Early plans for I-4 just north of downtown Orlando? Or just shit made up by the cartographer?
http://www.historicmapworks.com/Map/US/1637427/Page+043/Orlando%2C+Winter+Park%2C+Maitland+and+Vicinity+1968+Subdivision/Florida/
http://www.historicmapworks.com/Map/US/1637438/Page+054/Orlando%2C+Winter+Park%2C+Maitland+and+Vicinity+1968+Subdivision/Florida/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 07, 2013, 09:50:17 PM
Quote from: NE2 on April 07, 2013, 02:00:10 AM
Early plans for I-4 just north of downtown Orlando? Or just shit made up by the cartographer?
http://www.historicmapworks.com/Map/US/1637427/Page+043/Orlando%2C+Winter+Park%2C+Maitland+and+Vicinity+1968+Subdivision/Florida/
http://www.historicmapworks.com/Map/US/1637438/Page+054/Orlando%2C+Winter+Park%2C+Maitland+and+Vicinity+1968+Subdivision/Florida/

No clue, but I'm liking the "Florida Highway 15 527" on Orange and all the various "Alt US 17 & 92", "Alt Fla 50", "Alt Fla 15 600" listed on there.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on April 07, 2013, 10:35:48 PM
15 was signed on Orange from South/Anderson to the diagonal crossing in Winter Park (600 used Robinson to pick up Mills south of Colonial). As for the alternate routes, I have no idea if they were signed (page 55 shows them turning north on Mills).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 09, 2013, 04:14:12 AM
Oh, so 15 was concurrent with 527 up to Winter Park? I just thought it was through downtown. I have a map somewhere from ~1975 that shows 15 on Bumby between Robinson and 50, but it could just be one of those 'silent' leg routes as with 600 on Robinson. If 600 used Robinson, was 526 signed along the same route?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on April 09, 2013, 05:08:41 AM
Scratch what I said above - after checking with sources, I see that I remembered incorrectly.


In 1945, West Colonial had not yet been built out to Ocoee, so 50 turned south on OBT and west on OWG. 526 began at OBT and Robinson and went only to OEA. As for 15 and 600, the 1945 definition of 600 takes it east on Kaley and north on Mills, but no such route was ever built. 15 would have joined with 600 somewhere around Lake Lancaster, and then crossed east of downtown on Mills (as it does now) with 600.

By 1955, 50 had been realigned; 15/600 used Robinson to Mills. 526 either overlapped 15/600 or had multiple segments (it already had a fork at the east end).
http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00016513/00001/1x?vo=3

It gets a little confusing on later maps.
1957: http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00016514/00001/1x?vo=3 - several possibilities assuming various degrees of mapo
1960: http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00016517/00001/1x?vo=3 - 600 still on Robinson (but may have used Orange-Colonial-Mills); 15 clearly marked on Curry Ford-Orange-Colonial-Mills
1971 inset: http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00016512/00001/1x?vo=3 - 600 is on Colonial; 15 is unclear (Mills from Robinson to Colonial is city-maintained to the present day, which is why the thin line is used)
1977: http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00016508/00001/1x?vo=3 - 15 now uses Conway-South/Anderson to Orange, but it is still unclear if it used Robinson or Colonial to Mills
1982: http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00016509/00001/1x?vo=3 - final configuration, though 5098 is unlabeled

I didn't find any maps with a number on Bumby. Along with Virginia/Forest/Corrine/Bennett, it was state-maintained until 1980. These were probably improved with federal aid as connections to the NTC.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 09, 2013, 08:44:55 PM
Quote from: NE2 on April 09, 2013, 05:08:41 AM

I didn't find any maps with a number on Bumby. Along with Virginia/Forest/Corrine/Bennett, it was state-maintained until 1980. These were probably improved with federal aid as connections to the NTC.

This is part of a map collection I have from FDOT.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FP8210511.jpg&hash=42eef314bdf8a67adc06923bad52a260d1af6dc1)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FP8210508.jpg&hash=dd9d56bd1f62cb457120f131968c64258ed2c480)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on April 09, 2013, 09:38:42 PM
Whoa. That's kind of weird. Does Bumby have a number?

Any other numbers that don't match other maps? Possibly 418 on the south part of 417?

Then there's this map that has a CR 5097 on Michigan: http://digitool.fcla.edu/ImageServer/dtlscrollnav.jsp?filename=L2V4bGlicmlzMS9kdGwvc3RvcmFnZS8yMDA4LzA1LzEzL2ZpbGVfMS81NDM1NA==&display_plugin=false
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 10, 2013, 12:56:55 AM
Bumby is 499 with the south end at Pershing. There is a complete set each of Primary and Secondary routes for all counties, which account for some of the missing numbers in the highway system numbering. No mention of either 417 or 418 on this map, but it does show the general routing of both 417 and 429.

That map you linked is quite wonky. All the 4-digit routes, two of them state routes and SR 723 in the panhandle. I want to go back to FDOT's office because they have these same types of maps, but for the 4-digit routes.

Secondary Route pics:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FP8210500.jpg&hash=34307f3c4dcb30ca12d587e34abe39401c78694b)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FP8210503.jpg&hash=27a050efe578e1d42d7ef894fc47575117e64e28)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi696.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv321%2FFLroadgeek%2FP8210502.jpg&hash=57bd6b561cc729038ca7395cd476dfe524423380)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on April 11, 2013, 05:10:52 PM
Speaking of SR 526, I found this: http://www.occompt.com/attachments/article/4774/06-03-1957%20Minutes.pdf
QuoteBy letter dated May 6th addressed to the Hon. Wm. H. Dial, member of the State Road Board, the City of Orlando requested that a certain portion of Crystal Lake Drive be included as a part of State Road 526.  The matter having been reviewed by Mr. Dial, and having received his report, a motion was made by Commissioner Murdoch, seconded by Commissioner McDowall, and unanimously carried, the Secondary Road Funds Program be amended by adding that part of Crystal Lake Drive from the present terminus of State Road No. 526 at Robinson Avenue to the terminal point at Crystal Lake Drive and Palmer Street.
(Palmer Street is south of South/Anderson, where Lake Underhill Road used to empty out.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on April 22, 2013, 10:35:17 PM
Old Sign Find:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=29.505765,-81.945541&spn=0.000019,0.012531&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=29.505642,-81.945559&panoid=i8vF8p5QSAzyNVbdVgMuKg&cbp=12,199.26,,1,0 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=29.505765,-81.945541&spn=0.000019,0.012531&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=29.505642,-81.945559&panoid=i8vF8p5QSAzyNVbdVgMuKg&cbp=12,199.26,,1,0)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on April 26, 2013, 11:12:40 PM
Two vintage state road marker finds. Has anybody photographed these?

1.. SR 4 sign w/keys on CR 191 (N of Milton). This one appears to be in pretty good condition for it's age.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=30.857437,-86.873102&spn=0.000074,0.050125&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=30.857338,-86.873171&panoid=Lsm1I1DTg1RgspWkSlA38A&cbp=12,58.66,,0,0 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=30.857437,-86.873102&spn=0.000074,0.050125&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=30.857338,-86.873171&panoid=Lsm1I1DTg1RgspWkSlA38A&cbp=12,58.66,,0,0)

2. This one is not legible on streetview, but it could be a C- route. The signs at SR 710 say this is CR 714, so my best guess is that this sign says C-714.
     It is located on Fox Brown Rd (NE of Lk Okeechobee)

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=27.161579,-80.55429&spn=0.000076,0.050125&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=27.161688,-80.5543&panoid=gWjiBiyr9W71QTtXV1_Heg&cbp=12,45,,0,0 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=27.161579,-80.55429&spn=0.000076,0.050125&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=27.161688,-80.5543&panoid=gWjiBiyr9W71QTtXV1_Heg&cbp=12,45,,0,0)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 27, 2013, 12:15:00 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on April 26, 2013, 11:12:40 PM
Two vintage state road marker finds. Has anybody photographed these?

1.. SR 4 sign w/keys on CR 191 (N of Milton). This one appears to be in pretty good condition for it's age.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=30.857437,-86.873102&spn=0.000074,0.050125&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=30.857338,-86.873171&panoid=Lsm1I1DTg1RgspWkSlA38A&cbp=12,58.66,,0,0 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=30.857437,-86.873102&spn=0.000074,0.050125&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=30.857338,-86.873171&panoid=Lsm1I1DTg1RgspWkSlA38A&cbp=12,58.66,,0,0)



Have not seen the potential 714, but the 4 keys shield on CR 191 yes. Last photographed it in April 2011; here is flaroads' photo from 2009:

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/FL/FL19550042i1.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19550042)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on April 27, 2013, 09:10:37 AM
Hmmm...never noticed any shields along Fox Brown Road before. Nearby CR 714 has a few, but nothing special.

CR 714 between 609 and 710 wasn't fully paved until 1996.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on April 27, 2013, 07:20:15 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on April 26, 2013, 11:12:40 PM
2. This one is not legible on streetview, but it could be a C- route. The signs at SR 710 say this is CR 714, so my best guess is that this sign says C-714.
     It is located on Fox Brown Rd (NE of Lk Okeechobee)

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=27.161579,-80.55429&spn=0.000076,0.050125&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=27.161688,-80.5543&panoid=gWjiBiyr9W71QTtXV1_Heg&cbp=12,45,,0,0 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=27.161579,-80.55429&spn=0.000076,0.050125&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=27.161688,-80.5543&panoid=gWjiBiyr9W71QTtXV1_Heg&cbp=12,45,,0,0)
cue TPIR loser horns:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg36%2Fjcm9572%2F20130427%2520Martin%2FIMG_1076_zpse568f87b.jpg&hash=26f35616ad5ea32547a5de1152677254cb83c5c9)

But CR 714 between 710 and 609 is surprisingly scenic (IMHO) for South Florida:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg36%2Fjcm9572%2F20130427%2520Martin%2FIMG_1075_zpsb41e4108.jpg&hash=311027145348bebbea0bbc92cf1c71c574690bd6)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on April 27, 2013, 08:39:33 PM
Very scenic.  It reminds me of some of the quieter residential areas of Coral Gables in Miami-Dade County.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on May 06, 2013, 12:37:56 AM
mefailenglish, thanks for the posting the SR 714 sign pic. I figured someone would have one. Interesting that it wasn't mounted in such a way that there could've been a marker for WEST 714 on it. A quick check shows a WEST CR 714 sign west of the intersection.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on May 06, 2013, 12:49:18 AM
This has got to be the widest, goofiest TOLL SR marker ever. Good lord.
I-595/SR 84 at Nob Hill Rd
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=26.107046,-80.281917&spn=0.000019,0.012531&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=26.106815,-80.281897&panoid=K-unpSLzsi6jxFHKHEmBxw&cbp=12,1.71,,1,0 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=26.107046,-80.281917&spn=0.000019,0.012531&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=26.106815,-80.281897&panoid=K-unpSLzsi6jxFHKHEmBxw&cbp=12,1.71,,1,0)

The temporary signs for the other direction arn't any better:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=26.10667,-80.282078&spn=0.000019,0.012531&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=26.106897,-80.282101&panoid=FW5b1yLWvqQ7iVhYxhOSOA&cbp=12,179.96,,0,0

Also, at multiple locations in this work zone, yellow diamond PEDESTRIAN CROSSING signs with little arrows spray painted on them are used to show pedestrians where to go, not to warn motorists of pedestrians:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=26.117624,-80.330053&spn=0.00001,0.006266&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=26.117624,-80.330053&panoid=kAlrVkRNCSaP2xP5ZCV0kw&cbp=12,48.11,,1,0 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=26.117624,-80.330053&spn=0.00001,0.006266&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=26.117624,-80.330053&panoid=kAlrVkRNCSaP2xP5ZCV0kw&cbp=12,48.11,,1,0)
I don't know if Bob's Barricades or the contractor is to blame for these. Has anybody seen these on any other project signed by Bob's?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on May 06, 2013, 07:53:44 PM
Quote from: mefailenglish on April 27, 2013, 07:20:15 PM
cue TPIR loser horns:

Still, that's an SR shield where a CR shield should go. So, although you don't win the car, you get the vacation* to Orlando (for you and a guest), and a chance to spin the big wheel.




* must sit through timeshare seminar, which doesn't spend any time explaining the FDOT mileage cap.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: pbrisebois on May 07, 2013, 03:23:45 PM
Hello All,

Later this week I will be driving from Savannah, GA to Sarasota. I'm wondering what the locals think is the best route to take. Google Maps gives me 2 options.

The first goes down I-95, west on I-10, then south on US301 to Ocala and then onto I-75 down to Sarasota. The problem with this is that I've heard about a few speed traps on US301 between I-10 and I-75. I'm not a crazy driver, but I do tend to do about 5mph over the speed limit, and I'm not real keen on having to drop down my speed every 20 miles or so.

The other option Google gives me is south on I-95 to I-4 then west to I-75. This route is obviously all interstate, but I'm worried about the traffic in the Orlando area, and to a lesser extent in central Jacksonville.

I was wondering if anyone can give me an opinion. I will be leaving Savannah around 9am on Friday.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 07, 2013, 03:29:48 PM
I'd avoid Orlando... it kinda sucks.  if you're worried about 301, just set your cruise control to 2mph below the limit, and you will really lose only about 10 minutes of time.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 07, 2013, 03:54:02 PM
What I usually do when I drive up to the New York Tri-State area is take I-75 to Florida State Road 40 in Ocala, then run into Silver Springs until I reach Marion County Road 314. Then I turn north until I reach Florida State Road 19 in Salt Springs and go north through Ocala National Forest until I reach US 17 in Palatka, where I can legally go 55-60 mph except in places like Green Cove Springs. Getting into Jacksonville I take I-295 until I reach I-95 and from there I'm off to the Big Apple.

Try doing the exact opposite, and you can avoid the speed traps of US 301, and the long ways around the interstates.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 07, 2013, 04:17:09 PM
I-75 has pretty heavy traffic north of Tampa, and only four lanes until the Turnpike merge.

I-4 through Orlando's really not bad outside rush hour, except eastbound always seems clogged past Disney. For example, right now (4 PM) the Goog shows all green except some yellow approaching the SR 408 interchange downtown.

Another possibility is to stay with SR 19 from Palatka to Groveland and then continue on SR 33 to I-4. You may get a bit of traffic in the Eustis-Tavares area but the rest is wide open.

You can see a map of the speed limits on state roads here: http://www.itoworld.com/map/124?lon=-82&lat=29&zoom=9&fullscreen=true
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on May 07, 2013, 05:33:40 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 07, 2013, 03:29:48 PM
I'd avoid Orlando... it kinda sucks.  if you're worried about 301, just set your cruise control to 2mph below the limit, and you will really lose only about 10 minutes of time.

If you hit I-4 Orlando between 10am and 2pm, you should be okay (barring incidents, naturally), but it's not a place I frequent to know if there's any ongoing construction.

US 301 through the Florida towns of Lawtey and Starke requires careful attention, but there's plenty of Reduced Speed Ahead signs (a strict 35 mph for about a mile in both cases). The school zones in both cases are heavily enforced at 15 mph, although only for about 300-500 feet. Obey the speed limit, and you'll do fine. Interestingly, the town of Starke, which lies between those two infamous towns, has an even lower speed limit of 30, but traffic is more dense, and there's more stop lights.

I'll second that FL 19 is quite scenic. So is SR 20 from Palatka to Hawthorne (where connects to US 301, and completely bypasses Lawtey - Starke - Waldo; however, it's far from the fastest way across).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 07, 2013, 05:45:23 PM
Quote from: formulanone on May 07, 2013, 05:33:40 PM
US 301 through the Florida towns of Lawtey and Starke requires careful attention, but there's plenty of Reduced Speed Ahead signs (a strict 35 mph for about a mile in both cases). The school zones in both cases are heavily enforced at 15 mph, although only for about 300-500 feet. Obey the speed limit, and you'll do fine. Interestingly, the town of Starke, which lies between those two infamous towns, has an even lower speed limit of 30, but traffic is more dense, and there's more stop lights.


I believe, in this paragraph, you meant "Waldo" at least once?

I've heard bad things about all three: Lawtey, Starke, and especially Waldo - the general consensus seems to be that Waldo is the worst.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on May 07, 2013, 05:59:01 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 07, 2013, 05:45:23 PM
I believe, in this paragraph, you meant "Waldo" at least once?

I've heard bad things about all three: Lawtey, Starke, and especially Waldo - the general consensus seems to be that Waldo is the worst.

Yes. My brain's in the shop; the rental brain is slower, and somebody smoked in it.

Lawtey is so small, it's unsuspecting...that's what I've heard. If you miss the signs in Waldo, you're effectively blind, to be fair.

Lawtey also has a number of Keys Shields just off US 301.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 08, 2013, 11:31:22 PM
Quote from: pbrisebois on May 07, 2013, 03:23:45 PM
Hello All,

Later this week I will be driving from Savannah, GA to Sarasota. I'm wondering what the locals think is the best route to take. Google Maps gives me 2 options.

The first goes down I-95, west on I-10, then south on US301 to Ocala and then onto I-75 down to Sarasota. The problem with this is that I've heard about a few speed traps on US301 between I-10 and I-75. I'm not a crazy driver, but I do tend to do about 5mph over the speed limit, and I'm not real keen on having to drop down my speed every 20 miles or so.

The other option Google gives me is south on I-95 to I-4 then west to I-75. This route is obviously all interstate, but I'm worried about the traffic in the Orlando area, and to a lesser extent in central Jacksonville.

I was wondering if anyone can give me an opinion. I will be leaving Savannah around 9am on Friday.


The best answer is I-95 to I-4 to SR-417 to I-4 to I-75. I'm surprised nobody mentioned it yet. Using SR-417 to bypass Orlando is well worth the $8 or $9 in tolls, and the toll booths all still take cash. I-4 is usually OK during midday like NE2 said but it always has a slowdown WB heading through downtown (too many lane drops too quickly IMO) and I'll very regularly encounter random traffic jams in the vicinity of SR-535 out near Disney. With SR-417, the speed limit is 65 almost the entire way and traffic is very often nonexistent.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 10, 2013, 12:52:54 AM
Found scans of route logs from 1929 to 1939: http://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Florida.+State+Road+Dept.%22
Sadly they don't have 1941-43, when things really got interesting in the legislature (and I have no complete information on the numbers).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 10, 2013, 04:36:02 PM
Does anybody know the street name for Monroe County Road 905 in Key Largo?

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on May 10, 2013, 04:42:21 PM
Card Sound Road
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 10, 2013, 06:07:37 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on May 10, 2013, 04:42:21 PM
Card Sound Road
I thought that was CR 905A.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 10, 2013, 07:47:39 PM
The street name is GOAT.

Not every street has a name, dude. The only sign blade I can find on the Goog says C-905.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on May 10, 2013, 08:04:24 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on May 10, 2013, 06:07:37 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on May 10, 2013, 04:42:21 PM
Card Sound Road
I thought that was CR 905A.

Could be.  It has been awhile since I have been in that area.  The road name may also change names in upper Key Largo at the intersection on the island south of the Bridge, heading back toward the southeastern portion of the island and on toward US 1/Overseas Highway.

Fixed quote. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4000.0) - rmf67
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mstgator on May 13, 2013, 11:23:03 PM
Old news by now (article is from last September), but I noticed that the start dates for these projects have finally been updated on the Five-Year Work Program on the FDOT website.  The article doesn't mention a reconfiguring of the I-75/Turnpike/SR 44 mess, but that could also get underway by the end of 2015 if we're lucky.

I-75 widening from Florida border to Tampa area to start as early as 2014 (http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/i-75-widening-from-florida-border-to-tampa-area-to-start-as-early-as-2014/1252238)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 14, 2013, 01:22:04 AM
Yay media failure. "Widening from Florida border"?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 22, 2013, 04:53:57 PM
Quote from: mstgator on May 13, 2013, 11:23:03 PM
Old news by now (article is from last September), but I noticed that the start dates for these projects have finally been updated on the Five-Year Work Program on the FDOT website.  The article doesn't mention a reconfiguring of the I-75/Turnpike/SR 44 mess, but that could also get underway by the end of 2015 if we're lucky.
I still say that the interchange for Pasco CR 41 should be more like the one planned for Sumter CR 476B/673. And that the big wide portions in the median should be preserved and lined with trees, even with the extra lanes. And yes, the area between the Turnpike and SR 44 should be redesigned too.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on May 23, 2013, 08:43:36 PM
Anyone know anything about these "Scenic Route" signs in Jasper?

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg36%2Fjcm9572%2FIMG_1091_zps7ea79c3d.jpg&hash=32d078208c5f3b06d704137a3890c8a12e41d146)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 23, 2013, 09:21:02 PM
All I can find is http://www.visitflorida.com/en-us/trails/articles/2004/december/city-profile-jasper.html ("Jasper, located along scenic route 41 in north central Florida"). In addition to this sign at the 41-129 split, the Goog shows that the turn downtown is marked both ways, as is the left turn to stay with 41 south of Jasper, so it's probably just US 41 through the county.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on May 30, 2013, 08:11:48 PM
The I-95 widening between SR 528 and SR 406 is nearly complete, they're putting up overhead signs now and the repaving on the ramps at SR 407 is pretty much complete, all they really have to do now is restripe and get that third lane open.  The widening project north of SR 406 is hitting it's stride; I only went as far north as SR 46 in Mims (I had to go to Sanford last week) and they're already demolishing the bridge there to begin widening it, as well as tearing up the median between SR 406 and SR 46.

They said they'd be done by June, I think they're going to make it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 31, 2013, 10:58:29 AM
The Quincy Bypass will be SR 269: http://www.dot.state.fl.us/publicinformationoffice/construc/district3pio/gadsden.shtm
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 01, 2013, 05:10:20 AM
I've written a history of SR 436: http://neroute2.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-creation-of-semoran-boulevard.html
Would people prefer to see more detailed histories or a general route log?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on June 01, 2013, 10:02:03 AM
NE2, the detailed history is very nice. i like it much better than a simple route log. Exellent job!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 01, 2013, 10:56:31 AM
Yes, but would you prefer that I concentrate on detailed histories, or do a route log first and then details?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on June 02, 2013, 04:53:57 AM
Quote from: NE2 on May 31, 2013, 10:58:29 AM
The Quincy Bypass will be SR 269: http://www.dot.state.fl.us/publicinformationoffice/construc/district3pio/gadsden.shtm

They can reuse the sign on the CR 269 overpass of I-10. http://goo.gl/maps/3YIf1 (http://goo.gl/maps/3YIf1)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on June 03, 2013, 07:43:21 PM
On my way back from Orlando last Thursday night I noticed a newish-looking state named reassurance marker along Interstate 4 near the 17 mile marker. Has anyone else who travels this stretch ever noticed this? I saw it at night so I could not photograph it but since I am close enough to it now I will probably drive up sometime soon to get a shot of it. As I said its new looking but you never see state named shields on the mainlines of Florida interstates...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 03, 2013, 07:49:28 PM
interesting.  can someone grab a photo?  that would be the first new-install mainline shield in a long time: the rest of the new installs all appear to be junction and trailblazer assemblies.

now if only Tennessee would accidentally install a state-named shield.  I believe that is the one place where state-named interstate shields are completely extinct.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on June 03, 2013, 10:19:19 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 03, 2013, 07:49:28 PM
interesting.  can someone grab a photo?  that would be the first new-install mainline shield in a long time: the rest of the new installs all appear to be junction and trailblazer assemblies.

now if only Tennessee would accidentally install a state-named shield.  I believe that is the one place where state-named interstate shields are completely extinct.

Plus Interstate 4 was the only state-name-less 2di in Florida until Brent's shield find.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 07, 2013, 11:38:13 PM
I decided to do a simple route log first:
http://neroute2.blogspot.com/search/label/route%20log
and pre-1945:
http://neroute2.blogspot.com/search/label/pre-1945
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on June 08, 2013, 12:38:30 AM
Quote from: Alex on June 03, 2013, 10:19:19 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 03, 2013, 07:49:28 PM
interesting.  can someone grab a photo?  that would be the first new-install mainline shield in a long time: the rest of the new installs all appear to be junction and trailblazer assemblies.

now if only Tennessee would accidentally install a state-named shield.  I believe that is the one place where state-named interstate shields are completely extinct.

Plus Interstate 4 was the only state-name-less 2di in Florida until Brent's shield find.

I would like to point out that the number 4 has only one digit. It is therefore a 1di. :)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on June 08, 2013, 06:56:56 AM
Going through the Straight-Line Diagrams one-by-one to download them, and just noticed that the Pinellas County I-275 set has a Proposed SR 686A for the current Roosevelt Blvd routing of SR 686. It seems that when the Roosevelt Bypass is complete, that route will become SR 686 and the former routing will be SR 686A.


http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/straight-linesonline/ViewDocument.aspx/Open/102608 (http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/straight-linesonline/ViewDocument.aspx/Open/102608)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on June 09, 2013, 01:33:31 AM
Quote from: florida on June 08, 2013, 06:56:56 AM
Going through the Straight-Line Diagrams one-by-one to download them, and just noticed that the Pinellas County I-275 set has a Proposed SR 686A for the current Roosevelt Blvd routing of SR 686. It seems that when the Roosevelt Bypass is complete, that route will become SR 686 and the former routing will be SR 686A.

Any actual project plans available for this? Curious how they are going to squeeze in a new roadway given how built up that area is.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 09, 2013, 03:34:05 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on June 09, 2013, 01:33:31 AM
Any actual project plans available for this? Curious how they are going to squeeze in a new roadway given how built up that area is.
http://www.fly2pie.com/media/Projects-Master_Plan/10-Chapter9.pdf pages 5-6. The part connecting to I-275 has already been built.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on June 09, 2013, 04:39:08 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on June 09, 2013, 01:33:31 AM
Quote from: florida on June 08, 2013, 06:56:56 AM
Going through the Straight-Line Diagrams one-by-one to download them, and just noticed that the Pinellas County I-275 set has a Proposed SR 686A for the current Roosevelt Blvd routing of SR 686. It seems that when the Roosevelt Bypass is complete, that route will become SR 686 and the former routing will be SR 686A.
Any actual project plans available for this? Curious how they are going to squeeze in a new roadway given how built up that area is.

http://www.dot.state.fl.us/Planning/sis/designation/sr686/request.pdf (http://www.dot.state.fl.us/Planning/sis/designation/sr686/request.pdf)

Look on Page 17.

The 118th Ave Connector is Former SR 692 (from ~2002). The main goal is elimination of the SR 686/688 concurrency which would provide a more direct route between I-275 and St. Pete/Clearwater International Airport. There was some mentioning of transferring Roosevelt between SR 688 and I-275 to Pinellas County, but it could have been changed to make it a hidden SR 686A.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on June 09, 2013, 02:18:39 PM
Quote from: florida on June 09, 2013, 04:39:08 AM
The 118th Ave Connector is Former SR 692 (from ~2002). The main goal is elimination of the SR 686/688 concurrency which would provide a more direct route between I-275 and St. Pete/Clearwater International Airport. There was some mentioning of transferring Roosevelt between SR 688 and I-275 to Pinellas County, but it could have been changed to make it a hidden SR 686A.

So they are also planning on upgrading 118th to a freeway style connector? Neat. I can see why they want to get rid of the overlap on Ulmerton Rd., that area is a mess. Has PIE seen any significant growth in traffic? That airport was dealt a pretty big blow when USA3000 ceased operations there.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on June 09, 2013, 03:42:47 PM
Quote from: NE2 on June 07, 2013, 11:38:13 PM
I decided to do a simple route log first:
http://neroute2.blogspot.com/search/label/route%20log
and pre-1945:
http://neroute2.blogspot.com/search/label/pre-1945
Hey, would you be interested in reclaiming your NJ pages at any point?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 09, 2013, 03:44:59 PM
Nah. Florida's got enough history for a while.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 15, 2013, 08:18:49 AM
About Florida's span wire signal assemblies, I noticed that it differs from other states span wires in three ways.
  1) The concrete poles
  2) The use of two support cables
  3) The hook assembly.

Number three is what is most interesting as unlike other states, Florida uses a hook hidden within a small box instead of being exposed like in other states.  I was wondering if anyone knew what that is about?  Also with number two I assume that is extra protection from high winds just like the "X"  installation with two different span wires from all four corners meeting mid intersection is another fix to wire swaying during violent storm conditions. https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Universal+Studios+Plaza,+Orlando,+FL&hl=en&ll=28.475821,-81.458902&spn=0.008054,0.013797&sll=27.698638,-83.804601&sspn=8.300816,14.128418&oq=Univer&t=h&hnear=Universal+Studios+Plaza,+Orlando,+Florida+32819&z=16&layer=c&cbll=28.477676,-81.458673&panoid=Yfi3TKF7cQXRcRf1kbOBrQ&cbp=12,0,,0,0
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on June 15, 2013, 09:19:43 PM
I'm wondering if that odd "X" signal installations was done in order to comply with the MUTCD concerning signal head distance from stor bar. The cross street does have rather wide median.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on June 16, 2013, 02:19:46 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 03, 2013, 07:49:28 PM
interesting.  can someone grab a photo?  that would be the first new-install mainline shield in a long time: the rest of the new installs all appear to be junction and trailblazer assemblies.

Photos snapped:

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/FL/FL19780041i1.jpg)
One going westbound...

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/FL/FL19780041i2.jpg)
And one going eastbound...

From what I know these are the only two in existence, unless there are any between the Turnpike and Interstate 95. The eastbound one was a bonus as I did not know it existed either. Both have been added to the shield gallery (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19780041). I apologize if the EB photo is a little far away. I did not feel like walking through more high grass in my flip-flops!

On a side note, I also noticed some trailblazers for I-4 and I-75 in the Tampa area last night but did not get any photos.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on June 16, 2013, 05:05:11 PM
Found a new state-named I-75 shield around eastern Naples (a "TO" assembly on CR 846 near 951), so they're either Georgia "imports", or they're making a comeback.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoadsGuy on June 16, 2013, 10:51:10 PM
There are a bunch of of FLORIDA Interstate 75 shields along US 41 in Lee County.
---
Gene Janczynskyi
in Cape Coral
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 17, 2013, 12:35:32 AM
Found a map of the unbuilt St. Pete freeways: http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00017174/00001/2x?vo=32&vp=0,3777
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on June 17, 2013, 11:43:50 AM
Quote from: NE2 on June 17, 2013, 12:35:32 AM
Found a map of the unbuilt St. Pete freeways: http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00017174/00001/2x?vo=32&vp=0,3777

I see most of these corridors made it to Gene's 1970 Pinellas mini-map:

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/gene_st_pete_map_scan.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/gene_st_pete_map_scan.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on June 19, 2013, 03:34:22 AM
Heh...Clay County removed the C-220 shield and put up this: http://goo.gl/maps/1k2Ge (http://goo.gl/maps/1k2Ge)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 22, 2013, 12:10:46 PM
New road signs along NB FL 423 in Orlando at the new JYP extension under construction.
Behind the cover lies a directional "FL 434 NORTH" and "John Young Parkway" as I was two days late to photograph both assemblies when the signs were uncovered.  The road should be open in the Fall of this year according to a sign posted in the construction area.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/9107326807/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/9109552880/in/photostream/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 22, 2013, 12:35:39 PM
Would have made more sense to name the extension Forest City Road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 22, 2013, 02:16:22 PM
Quote from: NE2 on June 22, 2013, 12:35:39 PM
Would have made more sense to name the extension Forest City Road.
You know it would, but knowing Orange County they may rename Forest City Road as JYP eventually.  Look at Old Dixie Highway becoming Orange Avenue or Bermuda Avenue becoming eventually JYP at the other end.

Being it will be an extended SR 434 would make more sense to do it that way.   If it were not that it would take too much trouble to renumber the road numbers, I would say renumber 434 to 423 to I-4 at Longwood and reassign Lee Road an even number state route.  Nobody calls Lee or JYP as FL 423 anyway.  Seminole County will  most likely object as they do call FL 434 as Four Thirty- four in their dialogue.  Well see how it works, but at least it will clear up added congestion at Lee Road and Edgewater.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on June 28, 2013, 08:22:18 PM
Casselberry 'flyover' project moving ahead despite protests:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casselberry-flyover-start-20130628,0,3649398.story

Looks like this project, despite protests from the Jai-Alai fronton and others, is getting the green light with construction beginning Fall 2013 and a completion supposedly by Summer 2015.

QuoteRichard Birdoff, president of a New York City real-estate company that owns more than 50 acres near the intersection – including the fronton – said a flyover will reduce motorists' access to businesses.


"The flyover will have a significant detrimental effect on economic development, property values and quality of life at that very important intersection," Birdoff said Friday. "Building a flyover means spending an excessive amount of money to solve a problem that exists for about an hour and a half, five days a week."

Of course this guy doesn't want the interchange built. He is afraid he will not make as big as a profit as he might be now. Having lived just around the corner from this intersection for four years (2004-2008), I either drove through the intersection when it wasn't terribly busy or just took side roads to get around it when it was busy. I know lots of people, including myself, have waited a long time to see this flyover happen. Even though I don't live there anymore I will keep up on it and will probably go see it once its complete.

QuoteBirdoff has presented DOT with alternative plans that advocate widening 17-92, adding turn lanes and installing landscaped medians. He said he is "forging ahead" with his plans and has been meeting with DOT officials.

Exactly how does landscaped medians reduce congestion? In any event, once the FDOT locks contractors in place this project will be hard to stop, and this guy can go back where he came from...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on June 29, 2013, 11:41:26 AM
Sounds like his Jai-Alai site will require frontonage roads...

...I'll get my coat.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mstgator on July 02, 2013, 07:07:49 PM
Here's your sign:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/strange/article/318442/82/Oops-Flordia-misspelling-makes-it-to-I-95-sign
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on July 21, 2013, 09:48:36 PM
Got a bunch of Pics in FL. Here are the ones from the panhandle:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FFLTrip2013SLR026_zps182d3b1f.jpg&hash=e4a3f06da8617e645bafaebb69c7aa9add7a627b) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/FLTrip2013SLR026_zps182d3b1f.jpg.html)
US 98 near FL 87

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(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FFLTrip2013SLR027_zpsfae7dabb.jpg&hash=feb2cd356033bb34ddb598c6a322f17c78367155) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/FLTrip2013SLR027_zpsfae7dabb.jpg.html)
SR 87


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US 90 near SR 87

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US 90 at SR 4

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(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FFLTrip2013SLR037_zps4a0740b2.jpg&hash=3ef9b09771fbba18e9c83968191346be7fc33cc3) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/FLTrip2013SLR037_zps4a0740b2.jpg.html)
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SB Walton Co 1087. They installed a new US 90 sign nearby. Interestingly, like this one, it doesn't have the needed double arrow plaque

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Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on July 22, 2013, 08:25:02 PM
I am really surprised that the ultra faded U.S. 90 shield is still kicking. I am also not sure if I have photographed that black on white guide sign either, so that was a pleasant surprise to see. That faded and cracked I-10 trailblazer (the one near Florida 87) should be replaced when they finish their repaving project.

By the way, that was WAY too soon to see that area again!! lol Thanks for sharing your photos!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on July 22, 2013, 08:59:52 PM
QuoteThanks for sharing your photos!
Youre welcome.
Now here's some from Sumter Co:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FFLTrip2013SLR051_zpsc0f6ef2e.jpg&hash=c7c51235b3f06dbdfa80f0651d93021329c09de0) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/FLTrip2013SLR051_zpsc0f6ef2e.jpg.html)
Don't know why you would put a reasurrace sign before an intersection.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FFLTrip2013SLR052_zps9d3aad76.jpg&hash=6e8f7ef59c15264f03142d2bb404be90719f495e) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/FLTrip2013SLR052_zps9d3aad76.jpg.html)
Note that the street name sign says "C 44A" instead of CR 44A

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FFLTrip2013SLR054_zps1eb3b291.jpg&hash=3a740985fe08973fc683d195c251ed42c3106725) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/FLTrip2013SLR054_zps1eb3b291.jpg.html)

and Lake Co:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FFLTrip2013SLR064_zpsf83a3425.jpg&hash=144b09ab310f0f6c0386313afa6d5d6dda2e6939) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/FLTrip2013SLR064_zpsf83a3425.jpg.html)
CR 44  CR 44 E of Leesburg. The intersection has been reconfigured.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FFLTrip2013SLR062_zps5edb50bf.jpg&hash=494685dfae8b81d7dd850db063441769f3bba1f9) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/FLTrip2013SLR062_zps5edb50bf.jpg.html)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FFLTrip2013SLR059_zps704346f2.jpg&hash=ff3ccf31609d7be5d522dde79d429dec8fe66b5c) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/FLTrip2013SLR059_zps704346f2.jpg.html)
US 441 E of Leesburg

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FFLTrip2013SLR075_zps4fff0930.jpg&hash=72994e191c3d711b046340870e4c1840cf1b31bf) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/FLTrip2013SLR075_zps4fff0930.jpg.html)
RR split in roundabout in Tavares. Without the extra sign, motorists might think the yield is for the RR crossing

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FFLTrip2013SLR069_zps4bc35378.jpg&hash=70a58ce88c65cf8e010d78dc8fe09cbbe8592f5a) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/FLTrip2013SLR069_zps4bc35378.jpg.html)
Tavares

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FFLTrip2013SLR080_zpsc6ae2c8c.jpg&hash=faf919e328f309979091aa7bfe8f918acab6ad2c) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/FLTrip2013SLR080_zpsc6ae2c8c.jpg.html)
Tavares

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(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FFLTrip2013SLR093_zps2dcf6ff3.jpg&hash=3f6eb37958b31917742ade93927166cf2591f19d) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/FLTrip2013SLR093_zps2dcf6ff3.jpg.html)
Eustis..This would have been interesting when the tracks were active. Kinda suprising that houses would be allowed so close to the tracks. There is a garage door about 6 feet from the tracks on one of these houses.

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A close inspection of this sign reveals that it was made in an odd way. HIP yellow was laid down, and then the legend was cut out of blue EG sheeting, which was them laid on top.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FFLTrip2013SLR107_zpsea60f598.jpg&hash=bc9568c6c1dd2f66035991fe97e4422d22d2c2a7) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/FLTrip2013SLR107_zpsea60f598.jpg.html)

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Notice that the word" Lake" is missing.

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Yes, its really white. These were spotted in Volusia Co, and in Louisiana as well.

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SB US 27

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NB US 27

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Clermont
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 22, 2013, 09:04:28 PM
orange highway marker is orange.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on July 22, 2013, 09:17:06 PM
Hell yeah. I love that CR 44 Leg A.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on July 22, 2013, 11:01:49 PM
QuoteHell yeah. I love that CR 44 Leg A.
I saw that and thought to myself "what the hell?"
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on July 23, 2013, 12:07:43 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on July 22, 2013, 08:59:52 PM
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Eustis..This would have been interesting when the tracks were active. Kinda suprising that houses would be allowed so close to the tracks. There is a garage door about 6 feet from the tracks on one of these houses.
This line (to Umatilla) is still in use:
http://www.pinsly.com/companies/fcen/
http://www.progressiverailroading.com/csx_transportation/news/FRA-obligates-grant-for-Florida-short-line-upgrades--35982
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on July 23, 2013, 06:33:50 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on July 22, 2013, 08:59:52 PM

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That's the first time I've seen a Florida shield on an orange background; every construction zone I've seen used some sort of black-and-white sign. Heck, I've seen more "circle" shields used before for construction sites than the above example...

"Leg A" is one of those weirdos, probably because there's so many 44x variants in the area. I forget if I ever found a corresponding "Leg B"...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on July 23, 2013, 04:07:07 PM
Orange Co:

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oddball.


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NB US 441

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Don't know why the 438 is still here, considering that state maint starts  E of here at TOLL 429

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reassurance W of CR 545. They didn't bother with any 545 signage at this intersection. There is now a 545 reassurance N of 50; it looks like it was contractor-installed when 50 was widened. The non-cutouts are spreading Sumter...Lake...now W Orange. These are new; weren't there on streetview.
The street name signs for the cross street are inconsistent. At 50, they say Avalon to the south, Tildenville School to the north. At 438, there is an Avalon Rd sign hanging on the signal, and a post mounted Tildenville School Rd sign on the N side of the street.


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Tildenville School Rd

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WB at Tubb

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NB Tubb

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WB CR 438 at Tubb. Signs dated 1981, except white arrow, which is dated 1976.

More Orange County later...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 23, 2013, 04:11:20 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on July 23, 2013, 04:07:07 PM
WB CR 438 at Tubb. Signs dated 1981, except white arrow, which is dated 1976.


makes sense.  1977 was the great downgrade of a lot of Florida routes (mostly secondaries) to county maintenance.  the county probably kept the older arrow and replaced the rest of the signs
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on July 23, 2013, 04:41:50 PM
It's more complicated - 438 south became a county road in 1979, while 438 west held on until 1981.

Interesting to see the new CR 438 signage. Last time I was through there the only signs were at that one intersection in Oakland.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on July 23, 2013, 05:27:43 PM
QuoteInteresting to see the new CR 438 signage. Last time I was through there the only signs were at that one intersection in Oakland.
I'm thinking that the new signs might have been installed due to the scenic route designation, and it's required signage.

NE2, the short section of the old SR 50 that is in Orange County, that you have to turn right to get onto, just before CR 438 ties into SR 50, is signed SR 438 on the street name blades. Am I correct that this was never part of SR 438? Is this just an error? What is Orange County's official name or designation for this section of road?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on July 23, 2013, 05:31:46 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on July 23, 2013, 05:27:43 PM
I'm thinking that the new signs might have been installed due to the scenic route designation, and it's required signage.
The scenic route signs have been there for a while with no shields.

Quote from: Brian556 on July 23, 2013, 05:27:43 PM
NE2, the short section of the old SR 50 that is in Orange County, that you have to turn right to get onto, just before CR 438 ties into SR 50, is signed SR 438 on the street name blades. Am I correct that this was never part of SR 438? Is this just an error? What is Orange County's official name or designation for this section of road?
That was SR 438 - it ended at the county line.

It seems that Orange County's name for it is "State Road 438". Bleh.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ET21 on July 23, 2013, 05:43:43 PM
The one thing I was always fascinated with when we drove around Fort Myers/Sanibal Island were the sheer size of your traffic light poles. Those hurricanes must have a hard time taking those down  :)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on July 23, 2013, 08:16:16 PM
Quote
The one thing I was always fascinated with when we drove around Fort Myers/Sanibal Island were the sheer size of your traffic light poles. Those hurricanes must have a hard time taking those down  :)

They are using the new heavy-duty signal poles in North Texas, too.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Big John on July 23, 2013, 08:37:43 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on July 23, 2013, 08:16:16 PM
Quote
The one thing I was always fascinated with when we drove around Fort Myers/Sanibal Island were the sheer size of your traffic light poles. Those hurricanes must have a hard time taking those down  :)

They are using the new heavy-duty signal poles in North Texas, too.
WisDOT is now using them on state-maintained roads in Wisconsin in their conversion to vertical signals.  Can tell the contrast as counties/municipalities in the state are usually using lighter-duty mastarms in their new installations of vertical signals.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on July 24, 2013, 04:30:01 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on July 23, 2013, 04:07:07 PM
Orange Co:

[non-cutout CR 438 shield]

The non-cutouts are spreading Sumter...Lake...now W Orange. These are new; weren't there on streetview.
The street name signs for the cross street are inconsistent. At 50, they say Avalon to the south, Tildenville School to the north. At 438, there is an Avalon Rd sign hanging on the signal, and a post mounted Tildenville School Rd sign on the N side of the street.



There is also one straggler for Volusia CR 4053 that hopped across the St. Johns River from Lake County.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on July 24, 2013, 10:36:09 AM
More Orange Co...

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SR 50 W Orange Co

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Probably contractor-installed when 50 was reconstructed

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SR 50

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Downtown Orlando

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WB CR 526

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NB JYP...Faded CR 526 sign

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EB SR 50

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SB SR 423 at US 441

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Notice that the direction changes.

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Don't know why the redundant info is there....
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 24, 2013, 12:43:32 PM
no photos yet of keys shields, or colored US shields.  are they that tough to find?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on July 24, 2013, 01:23:38 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 24, 2013, 12:43:32 PM
no photos yet of keys shields, or colored US shields.  are they that tough to find?

No and yes. Keys shields aren't common but aren't difficult to find. Colored US shields are an extreme rarity.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on July 24, 2013, 01:44:15 PM
Quoteno photos yet of keys shields, or colored US shields.  are they that tough to find?

I got a keys shield...just be patient. It's comin'. I did get a blue US 90 in Walton Co, but there's no blue left.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on July 24, 2013, 05:37:44 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on July 24, 2013, 10:36:09 AM

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Don't know why the redundant info is there....
Hopefully when they replace signage at that intersection (after construction of the SPUI) they will not carbon copy them. I drove under that sign for years and never really thought about the redundancy of the SR 436 shield. At least there was not enough room to squeeze another one between the existing two... :D

Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 24, 2013, 12:43:32 PM
no photos yet of keys shields, or colored US shields.  are they that tough to find?
They are not as difficult to find near where I am... :clap:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on July 24, 2013, 06:04:07 PM
So I noticed driving home from the airport (MCO) today that FDOT went and covered the "CALL BOX" signs on I95 with duct tape and installed new mile marker signs (the standard boring ones) next to each call box. Are they getting rid of them? I always preferred Florida's style of combo call box/mile marker signs to the standard mile marker signs.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on July 24, 2013, 06:28:20 PM
Quote from: realjd on July 24, 2013, 06:04:07 PM
So I noticed driving home from the airport (MCO) today that FDOT went and covered the "CALL BOX" signs on I95 with duct tape and installed new mile marker signs (the standard boring ones) next to each call box. Are they getting rid of them? I always preferred Florida's style of combo call box/mile marker signs to the standard mile marker signs.

I drove home from Jacksonville via I-95 (well, mostly...finally snagged a few road snips and stragglers) and noticed they seemed to be missing; only the antenna post and CALL BOX mile marker signs remained. To be honest, I stopped looking for them after a few hours, but the only ones I noticed still standing were at the rest stops.

Also, I finally found these red US 1 signs that clef posted back in January:

Quote from: clef on January 27, 2013, 07:53:36 PM
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I found them unexpectedly, no Street View Researching required. Turns out there's a pair of them, both installed in March of 2003!

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Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on July 24, 2013, 06:44:48 PM
Quote from: formulanone on July 24, 2013, 06:28:20 PM
Quote from: realjd on July 24, 2013, 06:04:07 PM
So I noticed driving home from the airport (MCO) today that FDOT went and covered the "CALL BOX" signs on I95 with duct tape and installed new mile marker signs (the standard boring ones) next to each call box. Are they getting rid of them? I always preferred Florida's style of combo call box/mile marker signs to the standard mile marker signs.

I drove home from Jacksonville via I-95 (well, mostly...finally snagged a few road snips and stragglers) and noticed they seemed to be missing; only the antenna post and CALL BOX mile marker signs remained. To be honest, I stopped looking for them after a few hours, but the only ones I noticed still standing were at the rest stops.

Also, I finally found these red US 1 signs that clef posted back in January:

I found them unexpectedly, no pre-searching required. Turn out there's a pair of them, both installed in March of 2003!


To be honest, I didn't think to look for the actual blue call box. I only noticed the new MM signs and the fact that the words "call box" were duct taped out.

Awesome on the red US1 shields! I'm glad there are a few out there. It seems like the only colored shields left are on rural highways, which US1 is has less of.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on July 25, 2013, 06:47:00 PM
NE of Orlando:

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More white on blue CR signs on SB US 17/92

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Off US 92 W of Daytona...The odd thing is that beyond the first turnoff in the national forest, the concrete outsides remain, but there are no bricks in the middle, just sand.

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18x18

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Told ya I had one.

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WB I-4 W of Daytona. All traffic is on one side while the other side is being reconstructed.

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The US 92 connector is also being rebuilt.

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Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on July 25, 2013, 08:33:44 PM
@ Brian556: Nice find on that Key shield! That was one that I did not know existed. The funny thing with that shield assembly is there is a pentagon shield preceding that one. Interesting that they did not take the Key shield down when they erected the pentagon.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on July 25, 2013, 10:40:31 PM

Quote@ Brian556: Nice find on that Key shield! That was one that I did not know existed. The funny thing with that shield assembly is there is a pentagon shield preceding that one. Interesting that they did not take the Key shield down when they erected the pentagon.

Thanks.

Yeah, I noticed that and thought that it was odd. Also this one is on a round pole. Most others are on u-channels.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on July 26, 2013, 08:16:15 AM
Where is that brick road located, Brian? It's in much better shape than the 9-mile section of Old Dixie Highway between CR13 at Espanola and CR 204.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on July 26, 2013, 09:02:26 AM
QuoteWhere is that brick road located, Brian?
US 92 SW of Daytona.
On the north side of the road, part of it is in good shape, but after a certain point, the bricks are gone, leaving just the concrete edges with sand in between. Very strange.
It also continues on the other side of the highway, but that parts completely abandoned.

https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=29.118537,-81.177893&spn=0.012466,0.025041&t=h&z=16 (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=29.118537,-81.177893&spn=0.012466,0.025041&t=h&z=16)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on July 26, 2013, 10:32:05 AM
Thanks! That's what I get for clinching that portion of 92 in the evening...I'll have to check that out another time. I wonder if the loosened bricks annoyed some people, and/or if they were poached for construction.

Old Brick Road had a few loose bricks, but was in surprisingly good shape for a 100-year-old alignment; it was covered with a lot of sand in most places.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on July 27, 2013, 05:42:19 AM
I'm also surprised that C-304 shield is still standing! That was one of my first finds way back when.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on July 27, 2013, 03:32:45 PM
The widening project on I-95 between SR 528 and SR 406 is practically complete, all they need to do is finish mounting some of the overhead signs and restriping.  I have no idea what the hold-up is on getting that third lane in service.

Had a chance to drive down US 1 in Cocoa and the widening project between SR 528 and Main Street is in full gear, most of the former grassy median has either been paved over or in preparation to be filled and paved (there are a couple of places where they still have the grassy median in place, I expect they will get cleared soon).  Maybe Christmas?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on July 27, 2013, 03:47:35 PM
I am interested in seeing the SR 407 interchange with full turn capability.  I just wonder if that will cut down on head on collisions for SR 407 as people will see SR 407 as the two lane non freeway it is with the new configuration.  In the past that merge area was fooling some into thinking that SR 407 was divided and a one way to boot resulting in some serious accidents!

Plus no more illegal turns as many would make a left off both ramps to u turn on to the opposite direction of I-95 is a great thing.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on July 29, 2013, 09:25:35 PM
SunPass now works in North Carolina (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/fl-sunpass-north-carolina-20130729,0,670462.story)

SunPass transponders can now be used on the toll roads of North Carolina and will by October 2016 be able to be used on all toll roads nationwide.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on July 30, 2013, 06:36:12 AM
Quote from: DeaconG on July 27, 2013, 03:32:45 PM
The widening project on I-95 between SR 528 and SR 406 is practically complete, all they need to do is finish mounting some of the overhead signs and restriping.  I have no idea what the hold-up is on getting that third lane in service.

Had a chance to drive down US 1 in Cocoa and the widening project between SR 528 and Main Street is in full gear, most of the former grassy median has either been paved over or in preparation to be filled and paved (there are a couple of places where they still have the grassy median in place, I expect they will get cleared soon).  Maybe Christmas?

They were incredibly slow getting the third lane open on the Malabar to Fiske section of I95 also, and when they did open it, they opened t one mile at a time over the course of several weeks IIRC.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 04, 2013, 01:53:59 AM
Just saw a message on a VMS along FL 528 in Orlando, FL and it said that the NC electronic toll device known as QUickPass is now interchangeable with SunPass.  I do not know if it is going to respond on E Pass system in Orange County, as the message did not say E Pass use.

I wonder if QuickPass will take SunPass?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on August 04, 2013, 02:22:32 AM
Look two posts above yours...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 04, 2013, 02:26:23 AM
Did not see that one for sure, but interesting to know. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 04, 2013, 10:27:16 AM
TOLLROADSnews: Florida Turnpike to replace legacy Allegro protocol tags with 6B+ stickers as part of national interoperability (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/6674)

QuoteFlorida's Turnpike is beginning an effort to swap-out about 2 million remaining Allegro transponders that were the backbone of state's SunPass electronic toll collection in Florida from its beginning in 1999 through 2008. In July 2008 the Turnpike switched to issuing ISO 18000 6B+ or SeGo protocol tags (the sticker tag branded Mini and the hardbody called the Portable for its velcro attachment and hence ability to be moved between vehicles.) TransCore remained the Turnpike's supplier.

QuoteFlorida readers are at least dual protocol and can read Allegro and 6B+, but Allegro won't be supported under industry plans for national interoperability. So they would be no use outside Florida unlike the 6B+s which will be one of the recognized nationwide IOP protocols.

QuoteEliminating Allegros from windshields will open up a channel in Florida's multi protocol readers to read 6C or E-ZPass protocols.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on August 06, 2013, 08:20:20 AM
Quote from: NE2 on May 10, 2013, 12:52:54 AM
Found scans of route logs from 1929 to 1939: http://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Florida.+State+Road+Dept.%22
Sadly they don't have 1941-43, when things really got interesting in the legislature (and I have no complete information on the numbers).
If you downloaded these, redownload 1935-39, since the initial uploads were missing pages.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on August 10, 2013, 12:01:07 PM
Found this little guy cruising around.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-B8zHXo8rzgw/UgZjcLs-c3I/AAAAAAAAHO0/PIx6y8W4Avc/w612-h616-no/photo.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on August 10, 2013, 12:02:20 PM
Quote from: formulanone on July 24, 2013, 06:28:20 PM
Also, I finally found these red US 1 signs that clef posted back in January:
Quote from: clef on January 27, 2013, 07:53:36 PM
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I found them unexpectedly, no Street View Researching required. Turns out there's a pair of them, both installed in March of 2003!

Nice find formulanone. I forgot I never showed y'all where those were. And I never did manage to check out the date.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: hotdogPi on August 10, 2013, 12:19:33 PM
Since this is all about Florida, did you know that there is a town called Florida in Massachusetts?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Interstate275Fla on August 10, 2013, 12:42:46 PM
Quote from: Alex on June 17, 2013, 11:43:50 AM
Quote from: NE2 on June 17, 2013, 12:35:32 AM
Found a map of the unbuilt St. Pete freeways: http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00017174/00001/2x?vo=32&vp=0,3777

I see most of these corridors made it to Gene's 1970 Pinellas mini-map:

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A reminder of this legacy is the wide median on Interstate 275 at 38 Av N (Exit 25) in St. Petersburg:

http://www.interstate275florida.com/I275SP-06.htm (http://www.interstate275florida.com/I275SP-06.htm)

If a freeway were to be constructed from 38 Av N at Interstate 275 according to the map it would have went in a southwestward direction to 22 Av N and then merging from a planned connector freeway coming out of Kenneth City the planned freeway would have followed 31 St N and 31 St S right up to today's 31 St S exit at Interstate 275 (Exit 20):

http://www.interstate275florida.com/I275SP-09.htm (http://www.interstate275florida.com/I275SP-09.htm)

Which leads us to another reminder of the Pinellas freeway legacy at Exit 20, and only a very small portion was built as the northbound exit and southbound entrance ramp.  If you exit Interstate 275 at 31 St S in St. Petersburg it looks like you are getting ready to go onto another freeway but in reality you are not when you are greeted with speed reduction warning signage prior to the intersection with 31 St S.

Additionally, this is where the tolled Pinellas Expressway from St. Petersburg to Clearwater would have begun and followed basically the right of way of what is today the Pinellas Trail.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on August 10, 2013, 09:41:24 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 10, 2013, 12:19:33 PM
Since this is all about Florida, did you know that there is a town called Florida in Massachusetts?

Since there's also Floridas in Missouri and New York (and probably elsewhere), that discussion would be best served in their own threads. Also, there's a Lorida, Florida...so I wonder if anyone's suggested that Lorida go F itself?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 12, 2013, 08:17:35 AM
Quote from: clef on August 10, 2013, 12:01:07 PM
Found this little guy cruising around.
[pic of C-255 shield]

Found the location ;) ....on what could be thought of as a random road, but this gives me ideas to look on roads serving churches.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 12, 2013, 07:19:28 PM
TOLLROADSnews: FL/95 Express Lanes so successful they're bumping up against the politicians' $7.00 ceiling to tolls (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/6686)

Quote2013-08-12: The 95 Express heading north out of downtown Miami to Golden Glades has been one of the most successful express toll lanes projects in the country, but that success could turn it into an embarrassing fiasco if officials don't move soon to lift a $7.00 cap on the toll. Dynamic pricing used to manage traffic and ensure free flow depends on the ability of managers to raise prices when demand is strong and traffic is getting too dense.

QuoteIncreasingly Florida DOT's Sunguide traffic management system that operates 95 Express is stymied by tolls that need to go above the $7 to do their job of pricing out the lowest value trips, but they can't because of a legal ceiling of a $1.00 a mile under which they operate.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 12, 2013, 07:22:41 PM
Quote from: Alex on June 17, 2013, 11:43:50 AM
Quote from: NE2 on June 17, 2013, 12:35:32 AM
Found a map of the unbuilt St. Pete freeways: http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00017174/00001/2x?vo=32&vp=0,3777

I see most of these corridors made it to Gene's 1970 Pinellas mini-map:

Cool.  I see an A19A.  Never heard of that one before. 

A Gulf Coast version of A1A? Does it still exist? 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on August 12, 2013, 08:12:01 PM
Sadly, no. There also used to be a G1A up along the Gulf Coast, but for only about 10 miles or so.

Of course, there's that odd northern section of FL 811 called "Alternate A1A". I'm sure there was a reason for it at some point, but it makes no sense today.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on August 13, 2013, 12:29:14 AM
A1A Alternate was the original routing of A1A: http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~212056~5500200:Shell-Map-of-Florida--cover-title-- (707 was also original A1A, but it was already 707 by 1956)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 17, 2013, 11:16:43 AM
Good map scan!  I like how SR 3 went through what is now the Kennedy Space Center as a public road and indeed part of the State Road System.  It is interesting to see what eminent domain can do!

Changing the subject now to something very interesting I noticed about Florida freeways.  In general, most interchanges have the freeways over the local road on three interstates. In fact many of the original interchanges constructed with the freeways are all built on top!  Only I-4 do you have it where you have many original interchanges where the cross road overpasses the freeway.

Exit 7 ( US 301)
Exit 11 (CR 579)
Exit 25 (County Line Road)
Exit 31 (FL 539)
Exit 44 (FL 559)
Exit 48 (CR 557)
Exit 55 ( US 27)
Exit 64 (US 192)
Exit 77 (Turnpike, for obvious reasons)
Exit 92 (FL 436)
Exit 114 ( FL 472)
Exit 116 (Lake Helen)
Exit 118 ( FL 44)
Exit 129 (US 92, although now defunct)

All the others have most original interchanges underpassed rather than overpassed. I find that most interesting.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on August 17, 2013, 01:23:08 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 17, 2013, 11:16:43 AM
I like how SR 3 went through what is now the Kennedy Space Center as a public road and indeed part of the State Road System.
But note off to the east how A1A was already cut. This was a through road back in 1946 (CCAFS was created in 1949): http://cartweb.geography.ua.edu:9001/StyleServer/calcrgn?cat=North%20America%20and%20United%20States&item=States/Florida/Florid1946b.sid&wid=1500&hei=800&props=item%28Name,Description%29,cat%28Name,Description%29&style=simple/view-dhtml.xsl
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 17, 2013, 04:39:15 PM
Quote from: NE2 on August 17, 2013, 01:23:08 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 17, 2013, 11:16:43 AM
I like how SR 3 went through what is now the Kennedy Space Center as a public road and indeed part of the State Road System.
But note off to the east how A1A was already cut. This was a through road back in 1946 (CCAFS was created in 1949): http://cartweb.geography.ua.edu:9001/StyleServer/calcrgn?cat=North%20America%20and%20United%20States&item=States/Florida/Florid1946b.sid&wid=1500&hei=800&props=item%28Name,Description%29,cat%28Name,Description%29&style=simple/view-dhtml.xsl
Yeah I notice that.  I thought that was odd because I do remember it going straight through with the Port Canaveral Canal not being there and it cutting across it on dry land where the Port is now.  Also it used Atlantic Avenue after it now veers away from current SR A1A.

A lot of towns displaced like Wilson and Playlinda and after talking to many locals there were some good fishing spots taken over by the KSC.  The last time I was there you could not even go down any of old SR 3 as the security checkpoint has been moved further south.  Now a new road is built to the west intersecting NASA Parkway to the west of the Visitor's Complex where before all of Kennedy Parkway south of NASA Parkway was open to the public. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on August 17, 2013, 07:34:59 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 17, 2013, 04:39:15 PM
Quote from: NE2 on August 17, 2013, 01:23:08 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 17, 2013, 11:16:43 AM
I like how SR 3 went through what is now the Kennedy Space Center as a public road and indeed part of the State Road System.
But note off to the east how A1A was already cut. This was a through road back in 1946 (CCAFS was created in 1949): http://cartweb.geography.ua.edu:9001/StyleServer/calcrgn?cat=North%20America%20and%20United%20States&item=States/Florida/Florid1946b.sid&wid=1500&hei=800&props=item%28Name,Description%29,cat%28Name,Description%29&style=simple/view-dhtml.xsl
Yeah I notice that.  I thought that was odd because I do remember it going straight through with the Port Canaveral Canal not being there and it cutting across it on dry land where the Port is now.  Also it used Atlantic Avenue after it now veers away from current SR A1A.

A lot of towns displaced like Wilson and Playlinda and after talking to many locals there were some good fishing spots taken over by the KSC.  The last time I was there you could not even go down any of old SR 3 as the security checkpoint has been moved further south.  Now a new road is built to the west intersecting NASA Parkway to the west of the Visitor's Complex where before all of Kennedy Parkway south of NASA Parkway was open to the public. 

Space Commerce Way.  You probably drove right past my old job and didn't even know it, the straight part of the road before you get to NASA Causeway used to be part of the MILA Access Road to the tracking station I worked at (which has been completely eliminated).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 17, 2013, 07:52:18 PM
The last time I went through KSC all gates were even closed and NASA Causeway was the only open gate into the complex.  Even Gate 4 from CR 402, which always had a lot of traffic on 402 at the change of shifts, was closed. 

I am guessing that with the Space Shuttle nixed the Center is not that much employed these days, so cut back on security (I assume that Loss Prevention is not used here still) is mandatory. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 19, 2013, 12:08:10 PM
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Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 31, 2013, 05:03:14 PM
I was reading about how FL 524 in Cocoa was originally the west approach to the Emory L. Bennet Causeway before the current Beach Line was constructed between FL 520 and US 1.  On google maps you can see what was once the extension of ClearLake Road to where 528 was pre-freeway and now curves west to meet current FL 524. 

I am to assume that before the toll road, FL 528 originally crossed both the FEC Railway Tracks and US 1 at grade, which explaind the dip in the freeway of 528 at the place it leaves land to cross the Indian River.  In addition the bridges over US 1 and the railroad are both the same age.

Someone wrote in  to Wikipedia that both FL 520 and FL 528 were co-signed together before the missing segment was completed in 1974, which is very interesting considering that FL 528 was also aligned on SandLake Road in Orlando at the other end.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on August 31, 2013, 05:23:33 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 31, 2013, 05:03:14 PM
I am to assume that before the toll road, FL 528 originally crossed both the FEC Railway Tracks and US 1 at grade, which explaind the dip in the freeway of 528 at the place it leaves land to cross the Indian River.  In addition the bridges over US 1 and the railroad are both the same age.
Nope: http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00071730/00024/9x (not loading right now, but the .jp2 download works)
http://uglybridges.com/1084216

Quote from: roadman65 on August 31, 2013, 05:03:14 PM
Someone wrote in  to Wikipedia that both FL 520 and FL 528 were co-signed together before the missing segment was completed in 1974
If you're talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_State_Road_524 it says no such thing.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on August 31, 2013, 07:39:30 PM
The six-laning of I-95 between SR 406 and SR 528 is finally done, with one major snag at the converted parclo with SR 407; work is supposed to be done this weekend to get it ready.

I rode it southbound from Garden Street (SR 406) to the Port St. John exit...it was glorious!  GLORIOUS! I almost needed a warm towel and a cigarette when I got home :D :colorful:. Now, how long it's going to stay that way is anyone's guess.

I give it three weeks... :-D
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 31, 2013, 10:09:24 PM
Not to get technical, but it also does not say in the above link to Wikipedia that is was not FL 528 cosigned with FL 520 either!  It simply states that ", the SR 528 designation went onto the new roadway, and the stretch between SR 520 and the Bee Line became SR 524.   
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on August 31, 2013, 10:17:15 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 31, 2013, 10:09:24 PM
Not to get technical, but it also does not say in the above link to Wikipedia that is was not FL 528 cosigned with FL 520 either! 
It also doesn't say SR 528 wasn't cosigned with A1A to Miami!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 01, 2013, 10:22:43 AM
Looks like I-75 and FL-826 will also get express toll lanes due to I-95 successeful express toll lanes.
http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/6711
http://75-express.com/about-the-project/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on September 02, 2013, 10:59:40 AM
Quote from: NE2 on August 31, 2013, 10:17:15 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 31, 2013, 10:09:24 PM
Not to get technical, but it also does not say in the above link to Wikipedia that is was not FL 528 cosigned with FL 520 either! 
It also doesn't say SR 528 wasn't cosigned with A1A to Miami!
It also doesn't say that pooing isn't cool.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 02, 2013, 08:39:29 PM
I was in the area briefly yesterday and saw the new signs for Exits 205A & B and the "Caneveral" destination for Cape-Port-AFS was replaced with "Port Canveral" and going SB directional headers were added to the EB FL 528 shield and the WB TOLL FL 528.

Also the exit for FL 407 is signed for both directions of travel, but barrels block the new movements.  Also they still have not replaced "Cocoa" with "Miami" on SB FL 407 for the entrance ramp to I-95 SB.  They probably will not as the permanent shields are up with no guide signs for the new ramps showing control destinations for soon to be opened I-95 NB from SB FL 407 and the new, but not open NB FL 407 to SB I-95.  Hopefully they might still at least add control cities for the new ramps.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on September 05, 2013, 12:44:44 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 02, 2013, 08:39:29 PM
I was in the area briefly yesterday and saw the new signs for Exits 205A & B and the "Caneveral" destination for Cape-Port-AFS was replaced with "Port Canveral" and going SB directional headers were added to the EB FL 528 shield and the WB TOLL FL 528.

Also the exit for FL 407 is signed for both directions of travel, but barrels block the new movements.  Also they still have not replaced "Cocoa" with "Miami" on SB FL 407 for the entrance ramp to I-95 SB.  They probably will not as the permanent shields are up with no guide signs for the new ramps showing control destinations for soon to be opened I-95 NB from SB FL 407 and the new, but not open NB FL 407 to SB I-95.  Hopefully they might still at least add control cities for the new ramps.

The parclo is open for business, I used it today when coming back from Orlando and decided to take I-95 from SR 50 to get home to Port St. John and noticed the tarps were off the new SR 407 BGS's.  Was actually able to eliminate eight traffic lights by taking the 'back road' home (I-95/SR 407/Shepard/Grissom) versus the SR 50/405 mess in Titusville.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 06, 2013, 03:28:18 PM
When I was there the tarps were down, but the barrels still remained in place.  In fact the NB Exit 212 overheads now show FL 407 with no directional indicators, but only the KSC going NB.  I would figure that Titusville would be added as well being it technically is the first exit for the city.  I hope to be doing a road trip there with some people from this forum the end of this month, and will catch the SB side signage and all the ramps opened.

I did hope that they removed the merge that is going SB to SB as that is what entices head on collisions on SR 407 as people think that they are entering another freeway and start using the other side of the road as a left lane as if it were a one side of a complete freeway, but they did not.  The problem is you have that hump for that one underpass near the powerlines that block your views of the oncoming traffic and that is where it becomes a problem.  If you create a hard right that will condition the human mind that it is an ordinary street and not a freeway, and it will most likely be never that FDOT widens SR 407.

However, it will solve the illegal turns that took place over the years hopefully!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on September 06, 2013, 04:58:48 PM
There is no validity to this 441 shield on a 1979 Champion Map of Orlando is there?

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/1979_john_young_parkway.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/1979_john_young_parkway.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 06, 2013, 06:10:12 PM
Nope. It was planned as an alternate to US 441 before the John Young Parkway name was assigned.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on September 06, 2013, 07:31:06 PM
Quote from: Alex on September 06, 2013, 04:58:48 PM
There is no validity to this 441 shield on a 1979 Champion Map of Orlando is there?
Heh, asked that question on your FB post before I saw this thread. There's my answer.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 07, 2013, 10:55:51 PM
It is interesting to see Vineland Road where Bruton Boulevard now is as well!  I have often wondered about why at LB Mcleod Road it changed names all of these years in that now I wonder even more why that intersection was a place where the name would only extend to and not all of Vineland Road!  Considering that both Vineland and Bruton are both within the Orlando City Limits that seems quite odd as usually names change at town lines or at development boundaries where one section was built before the other like in John Young Parkway at Lee Road where Lee was there first and JYP was built in 1973.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 07, 2013, 11:43:55 PM
Orange Center Boulevard was also named after Vineland (the platted name).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 08, 2013, 01:28:20 PM
Quote from: NE2 on September 07, 2013, 11:43:55 PM
Orange Center Boulevard was also named after Vineland (the platted name).
Does Vineland even exist anymore.  Old maps show it at the Apopka-Vineland and Palm Parkway intersection in LBV, but no one ever uses the name.  Also, a town called Flamingo was shown on many maps along Orange Avenue (Old Dixie Highway) around the present Orange Avenue/ Fairway Woods Boulevard where Meadow Woods now is.

I am to assume that both Disney and Landstar Homes changed that  with their development  and actually absorbed these towns respective names in addtition to the original buildings that made these places what they either are or were.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 08, 2013, 02:12:58 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 08, 2013, 01:28:20 PM
Does Vineland even exist anymore.
I don't know how widespread the name is, but there's a definite single-family residential community still there (next to the mosque).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 11, 2013, 08:34:53 AM
Quote from: NE2 on September 08, 2013, 02:12:58 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 08, 2013, 01:28:20 PM
Does Vineland even exist anymore.
I don't know how widespread the name is, but there's a definite single-family residential community still there (next to the mosque).
Funny you bring that place up.   That is about where Lake Street is.  Old maps show present day Apopka Vineland turning 90 degrees into Lake Street and then you had to make left afterwards which I believe the old maps show the dot where Vineland was at the time.

Also, on something else, the Turnpike Exit 254 ramp to  NB US 17 & 441 and EB US 92 is getting a traffic signal as well as two extra lanes.  A Pennsylvania right out signal is being installed to regulate traffic there.  I cannot wait as too many people exiting the Turnpike there travel the narrow single lane ramp at freeway speeds playing chicken with the bumper to bumper NB OBT traffic caused by St. Landstreet's Signal.  In addition you have 18 wheeler drivers who need to turn left onto Landstreet actually take their rig and block all through traffic on OBT so they can imediatley get over to where they want.  FU to the others as my delivery is more important is in those drivers minds.

Now you will have three ramp lanes turning into the three OBT lanes so with this signal, so it should help improve flow there I hope.  The poles are already up, covered up though with a temporary STOP sign is in place at the end of the ramp.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 11, 2013, 06:09:17 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 11, 2013, 08:34:53 AM
Quote from: NE2 on September 08, 2013, 02:12:58 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 08, 2013, 01:28:20 PM
Does Vineland even exist anymore.
I don't know how widespread the name is, but there's a definite single-family residential community still there (next to the mosque).
Funny you bring that place up.
You brought it up...?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on September 14, 2013, 12:24:18 AM
Quote from: NE2 on September 11, 2013, 06:09:17 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 11, 2013, 08:34:53 AM
Quote from: NE2 on September 08, 2013, 02:12:58 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 08, 2013, 01:28:20 PM
Does Vineland even exist anymore.
I don't know how widespread the name is, but there's a definite single-family residential community still there (next to the mosque).
Funny you bring that place up.
You brought it up...?
In Soviet Florida, Vineland brings you up.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 17, 2013, 08:02:58 PM
Here is an oddity.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3755%2F9792177876_23e8cf373a_z.jpg&hash=648f1d08f2dff649855d999fbfa8ba71fde316a9)
Two different routes, two different designations, but same route number.

This was not always this way as CR A1A was the old SR A1A  where now it continues southward to the right and that  current FL A1A was another FL 3 designation.  Sometime in the 1990s it was changed, but being that A1A has two 'A' s in it already, how can they create another alternate "A" like they usually do for old highways now county maintained.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on September 17, 2013, 08:12:05 PM
There is a similar sign group in Margate, FL for the intersection of West FL 814/East Broward Co 814 (Atlantic Blvd.) and US 441 State Road 7.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on September 17, 2013, 09:02:42 PM
Oakland Park Boulevard at University Drive has a similar assembly.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on September 18, 2013, 10:05:30 AM
Ah yes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on September 18, 2013, 11:04:28 AM
Quote
Here's an oddity.

Two different routes, two different designations, but same route number.

This was not always this way as CR A1A was the old SR A1A  where now it continues southward to the right and that  current FL A1A was another FL 3 designation.  Sometime in the 1990s it was changed, but being that A1A has two 'A' s in it already, how can they create another alternate "A" like they usually do for old highways now county maintained.

This same situation exists for Seminole CR 415 (Old SR 415), and Lake CR 44 ( Old SR 44). It really doesn't make sense to keep the old number on a old alignment, and just change it to county. This has to be confusing to some people, esp since some roads change from state to county at some point. You'd think since Florida has so much tourism, they'd try to avoid confusing designations like this.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on September 19, 2013, 05:08:18 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 17, 2013, 08:02:58 PM
Here is an oddity.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3755%2F9792177876_23e8cf373a_z.jpg&hash=648f1d08f2dff649855d999fbfa8ba71fde316a9)
Two different routes, two different designations, but same route number.

This was not always this way as CR A1A was the old SR A1A  where now it continues southward to the right and that  current FL A1A was another FL 3 designation.  Sometime in the 1990s it was changed, but being that A1A has two 'A' s in it already, how can they create another alternate "A" like they usually do for old highways now county maintained.

FL 15/Seminole CR 15 at the Bee Line Expressway has a signing like this too, as the segment of FL 15 between the Bee Line and US 192/441 was relinquished.

I don't mind this. It can aid motorists along one consistent route and will help locals who refer to the routes by their number after the state relinquishes road to the city. You usually hear people refer to a highway as "route A1A" or simply "A1A" and not "state road A1A." Ft. Myers has a couple of these, specifically route 867 and 865. Route 865 is unique as it mostly exists as Lee County Route 865, but two separate portions are still unrelinquished and are signed FL 865. It's better than what California does, where they simply yank out the signs, even if it leaves a big fat gap in the numbered route.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 19, 2013, 05:16:31 AM
The problem here is that SR A1A south is to the right. It may not be signed prominently because the scenic byway follows CR A1A.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on September 19, 2013, 06:40:08 PM
QuoteFt. Myers has a couple of these, specifically route 867 and 865. Route 865 is unique as it mostly exists as Lee County Route 865, but two separate portions are still unrelinquished and are signed FL 865.

One of the portions of Florida 865 (a 1.5-mile section) was not originally in the state system as it was created in the 1990's to link Florida 739 with U.S. 41 when that route came into existence. Florida 867 lost its northern 3.4 miles when the state relinquished that part to the Fort Myers.

Florida 884 and Lee County 884 is another instance of this (in two different places within the county).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on September 20, 2013, 05:06:31 AM
Quote from: NE2 on September 19, 2013, 05:16:31 AM
The problem here is that SR A1A south is to the right. It may not be signed prominently because the scenic byway follows CR A1A.

I get it now. I thought the county shield was identifying a relinquished route or a city's method of continuing a route beyond state ownership, which is what the other examples in this thread have also identified. That is confusing if there are two route A1As in that area.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on September 22, 2013, 11:00:20 PM
Quote from: NE2 on September 19, 2013, 05:16:31 AM
The problem here is that SR A1A south is to the right. It may not be signed prominently because the scenic byway follows CR A1A.

Wasn't this CR A1A signed Business CR A1A at the south end at one time?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 23, 2013, 01:54:12 AM
Quote from: florida on September 22, 2013, 11:00:20 PM
Wasn't this CR A1A signed Business CR A1A at the south end at one time?
According to my notes, yes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on September 23, 2013, 10:58:49 PM
Quote from: NE2 on September 19, 2013, 05:16:31 AM
The problem here is that SR A1A south is to the right. It may not be signed prominently because the scenic byway follows CR A1A.
Errmmm... I know the other CR A1As are in places where the state highway is no longer designated. This one's new to me, and clearly a terrible mistake. Should just be CR 1 if FL A1A goes to the right.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 24, 2013, 03:09:55 PM
Quote from: Steve on September 23, 2013, 10:58:49 PM
Quote from: NE2 on September 19, 2013, 05:16:31 AM
The problem here is that SR A1A south is to the right. It may not be signed prominently because the scenic byway follows CR A1A.
Errmmm... I know the other CR A1As are in places where the state highway is no longer designated. This one's new to me, and clearly a terrible mistake. Should just be CR 1 if FL A1A goes to the right.
The GSV shows  this assembly gone and a pair of SR A1A shields in it place with a SB shield pointing to the right as supposed to.


Also, FL 434 is open to FL 423, as even Wikipedia has yet updated the stats on FL 434.  I plan to clinch it as soon as I am done eating.  So John Young Parkway now extends to Edgewater Drive instead of turning into Lee Road at its northern end.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on September 24, 2013, 03:15:36 PM
Or sign it as anything that can't be confused with FL A1A or nearby US 1.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 24, 2013, 03:33:10 PM
It acts as a Business route to A1A and even though no longer part of the State Road System, it should be a Business FL A1A.  There are plenty of places in the state where county and municipal roads use a state route designation i.e FL 527 in Orlando and then you have the OOCEA routes signed as state routes when they are maintained by them and not in any way the State Of Florida.

A photo of the signage for the new JYP extension in Orlando.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7416%2F9926157695_3acafd6604_z.jpg&hash=91143f144a4c978956f2088486106fc9a6d73f54)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on September 30, 2013, 09:01:23 PM
Some BGS now up on the new 595 express lanes.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/3QDaJx-cxVsnYFaRNlGobxQWqA3lliWHUjHyS4VgeOs=w808-h822-no)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on September 30, 2013, 09:21:20 PM
Quote from: clef on September 30, 2013, 09:01:23 PM
Some BGS now up on the new 595 express lanes.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/3QDaJx-cxVsnYFaRNlGobxQWqA3lliWHUjHyS4VgeOs=w808-h822-no)

Are they express toll lanes or regular, free express lanes?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on September 30, 2013, 10:19:29 PM
Quote from: realjd on September 30, 2013, 09:21:20 PM
Are they express toll lanes or regular, free express lanes?

Tolled reversible lanes, the sunpass gantry is already up with a small digital display, but I didn't get a picture. The lanes are still far from opening.
Here is a picture (http://pixelperfex.com/595/gallery/admin/gallery.php?img=I-595,%20East%20of%20Flamingo%20Road%20(AUGUST).jpg&w=800&h=600) from the construction website
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on September 30, 2013, 10:31:29 PM
Heh...Cecil B. Sawgrass makes an appearance in the monthly 595 Project Summary PDFs (http://www.i-595.com/documents/PressRoom/Newsletters/Archived-Overviews/2013-09-03_I-595_Project_Summary.pdf).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on September 30, 2013, 11:29:59 PM
Thank you for the new Interstate 595 pictures.  I have totally avoided the highway except for the section by Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport for the last several years while the construction has been ongoing.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on October 01, 2013, 11:35:31 AM
If you love bad and/or questionable signage while driving through a war zone (http://www.formulanone.org/road/florida/interstate-595/), I-595 is just about perfect.

You can see the "new" lanes to the right in this photo:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F10%2FInt595eConstruction-Exit5-DavieRoadRelocatedSign.jpg&hash=cec3cfd302514323dd211b35145135ac2f9d12d7)

Pay attention:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F10%2FInt595eConstruction-Exit8-FL84US441-LooseBarrel.jpg&hash=9eb24667bb98c5d546319e8827666bcb0c6b617e)

I doubt NB/SB/EB is any sort of standard...

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F10%2FInt595eConstruction-Exit8-EB-SB-NBsigns.jpg&hash=df78430b12ec677c929949affb8facbc8625cf08)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jim on October 01, 2013, 02:00:39 PM
I definitely don't recommend driving through that I-595 construction during a heavy thunderstorm, as I did in July.

http://www.teresco.org/pics/frommiami-20130713/ (http://www.teresco.org/pics/frommiami-20130713/)

Scroll down to the last 5 images.  I took about 15, but most were useless because of the rain on the windshield.  At times, a lane and a half were under too much standing water to be passable.  Other times muddy/rocky water 2-3" deep was flowing from the construction area into traffic lanes.  Took 45 minutes or more to get from I-95 to I-75.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on October 01, 2013, 04:26:41 PM
Lots of terrific south Florida pics! :clap:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 02, 2013, 12:29:41 AM
Quote from: clef on September 30, 2013, 10:19:29 PM
Quote from: realjd on September 30, 2013, 09:21:20 PM
Are they express toll lanes or regular, free express lanes?

Tolled reversible lanes, the sunpass gantry is already up with a small digital display, but I didn't get a picture. The lanes are still far from opening.
Here is a picture (http://pixelperfex.com/595/gallery/admin/gallery.php?img=I-595,%20East%20of%20Flamingo%20Road%20(AUGUST).jpg&w=800&h=600) from the construction website

From the linked picture, it has a yellow line on one side. That's unusual for reversible lanes. Usually they have white on both sides.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Aerobird on October 03, 2013, 10:05:43 AM
Quote from: florida on April 17, 2012, 01:15:15 AM
Quote from: NE2 on April 17, 2012, 01:07:56 AM
Quote from: florida on April 17, 2012, 12:21:40 AM
SR 160 has been added to the SHS on March 26th. It consists of Timberlane Road between SR 61 (Thomasville Rd) and SR 261/US 319 (Capital Circle NE) for a total of 0.114 miles.
Is this signed for any movements? Seems that they could close the left from SR 61 north onto I-10 west by using this.

Now, it's just a single, stand-alone 'TO I-10' trailblazer. I'm pretty sure previous to the additional I-10 interchange on US 319 itself it was signed for I-10 West if you were coming north on US 319. [Will locate some photos of mine to see if I took any.]

Following up on this, the road is signed in both directions on its one-block length, with trailblazer signs on both SR 61 and US 319.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 05, 2013, 07:14:00 AM
Quote from: Aerobird on October 03, 2013, 10:05:43 AM
Quote from: florida on April 17, 2012, 01:15:15 AM
Quote from: NE2 on April 17, 2012, 01:07:56 AM
Quote from: florida on April 17, 2012, 12:21:40 AM
SR 160 has been added to the SHS on March 26th. It consists of Timberlane Road between SR 61 (Thomasville Rd) and SR 261/US 319 (Capital Circle NE) for a total of 0.114 miles.
Is this signed for any movements? Seems that they could close the left from SR 61 north onto I-10 west by using this.

Now, it's just a single, stand-alone 'TO I-10' trailblazer. I'm pretty sure previous to the additional I-10 interchange on US 319 itself it was signed for I-10 West if you were coming north on US 319. [Will locate some photos of mine to see if I took any.]

Following up on this, the road is signed in both directions on its one-block length, with trailblazer signs on both SR 61 and US 319.

Get any pictures?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Aerobird on October 05, 2013, 01:13:02 PM
Unfortunatly no; my camera refuses to talk to my computer.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on October 08, 2013, 12:17:24 PM
Tonight there's supposed to be a public meeting on the replacement for the northbound Howard Frankland Bridge in St. Petersburg:
http://tbo.com/pinellas-county/howard-frankland-bridge-replacement-in-works-b82489429z1
http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2013/10/8/dot_wants_input_on_f.html
I'd love to go, but I've got a dental appointment this afternoon, and an 80th Birthday Party for my mother at a nearby restaurant tonight. If I could go I'd say build the new bridge while still using the existing one, and perhaps convert the existing northbound bridge for mass transit, preferably some kind of rail.
Title: Florida 23 Toll construction begins
Post by: Alex on October 09, 2013, 01:33:10 PM
Between this, construction of phase 2 of SR 9B and the Overland Bridge Project for I-95, lots of things to follow over the next few years in Jacksonville. Might have to do a mini road meet up that way soon too.

Jacksonville-area toll road subject of Tuesday town meeting (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2013-09-07/story/jacksonville-area-toll-road-subject-tuesday-town-meeting)

QuoteConstruction of Jacksonville's first toll road since their abolition in 1985 is set to begin in less than two weeks from Interstate 10 to Argyle Forest Boulevard on the Westside.

QuoteThe expressway's $77 million first phase will rebuild Cecil Commerce Center Parkway down to 103rd Street in Jacksonville, then Branan Field-Chaffee Road to Argyle Forest Boulevard by 2015.

A second phase due to start a year from now will rebuild Branan Field Road to Blanding Boulevard in Orange Park.

The result will be a 4-lane limited-access toll road with interstate-style interchanges at key side roads

QuoteThe first 6-mile phase will add more lanes plus overpasses at New World Avenue, Normandy and 103rd. Noise walls will be built at the Bent Creek and Blue Lake Estates subdivisions, along with access roads at 103rd, Samaritan Way and Sarroca Lane.

QuoteOpening bids for the second $83 million phase into Orange Park will be done this month. It could start early next year and take about three years to complete. No tolls will be collected until both phases are done, Busscher said.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 09, 2013, 10:43:20 PM
Quote from: Alex on October 09, 2013, 01:33:10 PM
Between this, construction of phase 2 of SR 9B and the Overland Bridge Project for I-95, lots of things to follow over the next few years in Jacksonville. Might have to do a mini road meet up that way soon too.

Jacksonville-area toll road subject of Tuesday town meeting (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2013-09-07/story/jacksonville-area-toll-road-subject-tuesday-town-meeting)

QuoteConstruction of Jacksonville's first toll road since their abolition in 1985 is set to begin in less than two weeks from Interstate 10 to Argyle Forest Boulevard on the Westside.

QuoteThe expressway's $77 million first phase will rebuild Cecil Commerce Center Parkway down to 103rd Street in Jacksonville, then Branan Field-Chaffee Road to Argyle Forest Boulevard by 2015.

A second phase due to start a year from now will rebuild Branan Field Road to Blanding Boulevard in Orange Park.

The result will be a 4-lane limited-access toll road with interstate-style interchanges at key side roads

QuoteThe first 6-mile phase will add more lanes plus overpasses at New World Avenue, Normandy and 103rd. Noise walls will be built at the Bent Creek and Blue Lake Estates subdivisions, along with access roads at 103rd, Samaritan Way and Sarroca Lane.

QuoteOpening bids for the second $83 million phase into Orange Park will be done this month. It could start early next year and take about three years to complete. No tolls will be collected until both phases are done, Busscher said.

More I95 construction? Didn't they just finish the big downtown rebuild?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on October 09, 2013, 11:11:49 PM
http://www.i95overlandbridge.com/

More or less yes. The latest work started in January.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 09, 2013, 11:59:37 PM
Quote from: Alex on October 09, 2013, 11:11:49 PM
http://www.i95overlandbridge.com/

More or less yes. The latest work started in January.

I hope FDOT took to heart what I discussed with them about this project and the sign design before they started it.  It seems they did with the messages in the e-mail, but will not know for sure till it's done and new signs are up.

However, I see on the map of the project that they have US-1 and US-90 shields on Kings....
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 10, 2013, 12:32:28 AM
May Kings remain US 1-90.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on October 10, 2013, 12:34:13 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 09, 2013, 11:59:37 PM
I hope FDOT took to heart what I discussed with them about this project and the sign design before they started it.  It seems they did with the messages in the e-mail, but will not know for sure till it's done and new signs are up.

However, I see on the map of the project that they have US-1 and US-90 shields on Kings....

FWIW the latest FDOT GIS files already show Kings as soley SR 5.

As for sign changes, what did you suggest? Ones that come to mind were the panels for "to I-10 west" that were carbon copies from before the Big I. The two sign bridges that displayed them were already taken down by July due to roadwork.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 10, 2013, 01:58:08 AM
Quote from: Alex on October 10, 2013, 12:34:13 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 09, 2013, 11:59:37 PM
I hope FDOT took to heart what I discussed with them about this project and the sign design before they started it.  It seems they did with the messages in the e-mail, but will not know for sure till it's done and new signs are up.

However, I see on the map of the project that they have US-1 and US-90 shields on Kings....

FWIW the latest FDOT GIS files already show Kings as soley SR 5.

GIS data has shown it that way since at least the start of 2010. (See my post here (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg51466#msg51466))

Quote from: Alex on October 10, 2013, 12:34:13 AM
As for sign changes, what did you suggest? Ones that come to mind were the panels for "to I-10 west" that were carbon copies from before the Big I. The two sign bridges that displayed them were already taken down by July due to roadwork.

It was suggestions on the signage plans that one of the PDFs that had on the Overland site previously (since taken down, but I still have it on my HD, so I can e-mail it (it's a 20.2 MB file) if anybody wants to see it).  I happened to mention about this back last year (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg166740#msg166740), but it seems I didn't post the full e-mail at the same time.  I'll do that now.




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Subject: FW: Question about the I-95 Overland Bridge Replacement Project

Craig

We met with Don Drury to discuss James Mast's concerns with the signage for Overland Bridge.  In red are our responses to the questions you passed along to us.  Please review and let me know you need additional follow-up regarding this issue.

Thanks and have a great weekend.

Robert Jackson, P.E.
Transportation Engineer

__________

From: Sowell, Gary
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:34 AM
To: Jackson, Robert
Cc: Holland, Kim; Byrd, Ralph
Subject: RE: Question about the I-95 Overland Bridge Replacement Project

As a result of our meeting with FDOT (Don Drury and Tom Cavin) yesterday, below are proposed responses to the three questions submitted by James Mast.  It's first important to understand that we were told that US 1 and US 90 are currently incorrectly signed along Kings Avenue and Prudential Drive.  US 1 and US 90 do in fact combine at Atlantic/Philips and follow I-95 to the ramp to Main Street.

1. Going NB on I-95, after you leave the mainline lanes and enter onto the C/D lanes for Exit #348, you're introduced to the following signage "DOWNTOWN | The Landing | Sports Complex" || "US-90 - US-1 | Atlantic Blvd | Philips Hwy".  While the signage is partially correct, if people are looking for, say, US-1 NB, they would not want to be directed off at Atlantic Blvd since the C/D lanes take you directly to NB US-1 and the Main Street Bridge.  In my opinion, the signage should read something like this: "DOWNTOWN | US-90 WEST - US-1 NORTH | The Landing | Sports Complex" || "US-90 EAST - TO US-1 SOUTH | Atlantic Blvd | Philips Hwy" (The "TO" could be optional, but since you need to make two left turns to find your way in the new configuration to get to SB US-1 which is on the SB C/D lanes in that area, I'd keep it and add additional ground mounted TO trailblazers pointing people in the correct direction).  That way, people will not get stuck on the surface streets, and will be able to get to the correct highways which they need to access.  I would also do this signage tweak on the second set of overhead signage right before the exit for Atlantic Blvd, but changing the signage on the left sign to match what you currently show in the PDF with the addition of the US-1/US-90 shields and their cardinal directions.

The signs on I-95 NB will be updated to reflect the methodology shown on the signs leaving Philips Hwy NB and Atlantic WB.  Consequently, US 1 north and US 90 west traffic will be directed to the proposed NB CD road that leads to Main Street.

2. Now, going SB on the C/D lanes, after the split of US-1/I-95 and US-90 traffic, you have the signage for the different directions of Atlantic Blvd and US-90.  Here, you have signage mentioning "WEST US-90", which isn't correct since US-90 WB has already left Atlantic Blvd to go onto the C/D lanes heading up towards the Main Street Bridge and you can't access it directly from that ramp.  If anything, that signage should have the word "TO" included if people would like to get to WB US-90.  So, it would read something like this: "TO US-90 WEST | Atlantic Blvd" and have ground mounted trailblazers pointing people to turn left @ Kings Avenue to go down to the new intersection that would allow them to turn left and onto the C/D lanes and thus, to WB US-90.

Reference to US 90 west will be removed for I-95 SB traffic.

3. With US-1 and US-90 on the C/D lanes of I-95 in that area , Kings Ave & Prudential Drive will then no longer have US-1 & US-90 posted on them.  So, the current hidden State Route along those roads should then become posted, which is State Route 5.  Per previous e-mails with Jerry Ausher, P.E. (between 01/28/10-02/01/10), the plan was to sign FL-5 along Kings Ave & Prudential Drive once the US-1 & US-90 signage was corrected & removed off the incorrect route.  Is the plan still to post FL-5 along there, or will it remain hidden as there was no mention of that route in the PDF file?

Per direction from Don Drury (FDOT), references to US1 and US 90 will be removed from Kings Avenue and Prudential Drive, but there will be no reference to FL-5.  In addition, the Straight Line Diagram contains an exception of that designation in this particular area.



Gary Sowell, Jr, PE, LEED AP BD+C


www.rsandh.com
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on October 11, 2013, 12:57:42 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 10, 2013, 01:58:08 AM
Quote from: Alex on October 10, 2013, 12:34:13 AM

FWIW the latest FDOT GIS files already show Kings as soley SR 5.

GIS data has shown it that way since at least the start of 2010. (See my post here (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg51466#msg51466))


Thanks for the clarification.

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 10, 2013, 01:58:08 AM
Quote from: Alex on October 10, 2013, 12:34:13 AM
As for sign changes, what did you suggest? Ones that come to mind were the panels for "to I-10 west" that were carbon copies from before the Big I. The two sign bridges that displayed them were already taken down by July due to roadwork.

It was suggestions on the signage plans that one of the PDFs that had on the Overland site previously (since taken down, but I still have it on my HD, so I can e-mail it (it's a 20.2 MB file) if anybody wants to see it).  I happened to mention about this back last year (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg166740#msg166740), but it seems I didn't post the full e-mail at the same time.  I'll do that now.

Looks like you got in touch with the right people at FDOT, kudos for pointing out the needed sign changes!

They still need to address the gap with US 17, which becomes lamely signed as "TO US 17/SR 228" along I-10 and I-95 between Roosevelt and Union/State. A simpler solution to the overlap would have been to send it up McDuff Avenue (partially SR 129) to US 90 (Beaver Street) and overlap it east from there back to Main Street. The Roosevelt Expressway could have remained as "ALT US 17".




In other JAX area news, though posted a day too late:
I-10 interchange improvements at Marietta to Hammond Boulevard (http://www.nflroads.com/projects/details.asp?ProjectID=655)

QuoteThe Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT) will hold an informational open house meeting on Thursday, October 10 between 5 p.m. and 7 p.m. at the West Regional Library on Chaffee Road about an upcoming FDOT project to relocate the I-10/Marietta interchange to Hammond Boulevard.

The meeting will be held in Community Room A at the library at 1425 South Chaffee Road.

FDOT engineers will be available to answer individual questions about the $17.9 million project which is scheduled to start construction on October 14. No formal presentation will occur. FDOT personnel will answer questions including construction schedules, traffic impacts, retention pond locations and other issues related to the project. Project maps will be on display, and individual handouts will be distributed.

Two stubs (http://goo.gl/maps/AAvxt) were added to I-10 during the 2010-12 widening near Hammond Blvd. What type of interchange is proposed?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 11, 2013, 11:35:25 PM
Quote from: Alex on October 11, 2013, 12:57:42 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 10, 2013, 01:58:08 AM
Quote from: Alex on October 10, 2013, 12:34:13 AM

FWIW the latest FDOT GIS files already show Kings as soley SR 5.

GIS data has shown it that way since at least the start of 2010. (See my post here (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg51466#msg51466))


Thanks for the clarification.

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 10, 2013, 01:58:08 AM
Quote from: Alex on October 10, 2013, 12:34:13 AM
As for sign changes, what did you suggest? Ones that come to mind were the panels for "to I-10 west" that were carbon copies from before the Big I. The two sign bridges that displayed them were already taken down by July due to roadwork.

It was suggestions on the signage plans that one of the PDFs that had on the Overland site previously (since taken down, but I still have it on my HD, so I can e-mail it (it's a 20.2 MB file) if anybody wants to see it).  I happened to mention about this back last year (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg166740#msg166740), but it seems I didn't post the full e-mail at the same time.  I'll do that now.

Looks like you got in touch with the right people at FDOT, kudos for pointing out the needed sign changes!

Yes, I did get lucky there.  Let's just hope they do what they said they will do once signage plans come out from the redesign/build team since their design is a tad different from the FDOT one for the interchange area.

Quote from: Alex on October 11, 2013, 12:57:42 PM
They still need to address the gap with US 17, which becomes lamely signed as "TO US 17/SR 228" along I-10 and I-95 between Roosevelt and Union/State. A simpler solution to the overlap would have been to send it up McDuff Avenue (partially SR 129) to US 90 (Beaver Street) and overlap it east from there back to Main Street. The Roosevelt Expressway could have remained as "ALT US 17".

Don't get me started on that one. lol.  This sign (http://goo.gl/maps/eybXC) in particular really ticks me off since it directs people to the OLD ROUTE when you are currently on US-17 & FL-228 right at that point!  Then when you get off of that exit (it really should have had a I-10 number, but whatever), you see this sign (http://goo.gl/maps/UgFm8)...  After that, you have no more signage to get you back to US-1/FL-228.  Really STUPID move by FDOT here.  The only reason I can think that these signs are this way, is because they were "designed" before those two routes were moved...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on October 18, 2013, 08:19:03 PM
FDOT removing 'antiquated' highway motorist call boxes. (http://www.news-press.com/viewart/20131018/NEWS01/131018021/Florida-DOT-removing-antiquated-highway-motorist-call-boxes)

QuoteOther than along the Sunshine Skyway Bridge, Florida's highways will no longer have the telephone call boxes by the end of January.

The state Department of Transportation is removing all but a few of the 2,752 push button call boxes from along its highways as personal cell phones have reduced the need for the roadside phones.

"The technology is antiquated and we're doing a lot of stuff with ITS (Intelligent Transportation Systems programs) and the Road Rangers."
The ones will remain along the Sunshine Skyway because they are part of a crisis hot line. And with everyday use of cell phones, use of the motorist call boxes has greatly diminished over the last 10 years.

I'm not surprised by this but would hope that some provisions are in place to update some of the existing cell service along portions of Interstate 10 in the Panhandle. I know there are dead spots along certain stretches where my cell phone would have no service or end up going into digital roam.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on October 19, 2013, 08:57:31 AM
Wonder if they're selling the old ones.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 20, 2013, 10:07:49 PM
Quote from: flaroads on October 18, 2013, 08:19:03 PM
FDOT removing 'antiquated' highway motorist call boxes. (http://www.news-press.com/viewart/20131018/NEWS01/131018021/Florida-DOT-removing-antiquated-highway-motorist-call-boxes)

QuoteOther than along the Sunshine Skyway Bridge, Florida's highways will no longer have the telephone call boxes by the end of January.

The state Department of Transportation is removing all but a few of the 2,752 push button call boxes from along its highways as personal cell phones have reduced the need for the roadside phones.

"The technology is antiquated and we're doing a lot of stuff with ITS (Intelligent Transportation Systems programs) and the Road Rangers."
The ones will remain along the Sunshine Skyway because they are part of a crisis hot line. And with everyday use of cell phones, use of the motorist call boxes has greatly diminished over the last 10 years.

I'm not surprised by this but would hope that some provisions are in place to update some of the existing cell service along portions of Interstate 10 in the Panhandle. I know there are dead spots along certain stretches where my cell phone would have no service or end up going into digital roam.

I'm going to miss these mainly because I'll miss Florida's unique call box mile marker combo signs! They were much easier to see than a standard, boring mile marker.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on October 20, 2013, 11:03:30 PM
I noticed on a spur of the moment trip yesterday that there were not many, if at all, any call boxes along I-75 between Tampa and southern Alachua County. Not sure when they were removed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 21, 2013, 01:07:29 AM
Quote from: realjd on October 20, 2013, 10:07:49 PM
I'm going to miss these mainly because I'll miss Florida's unique call box mile marker combo signs! They were much easier to see than a standard, boring mile marker.

The PA Turnpike does the same thing.
http://goo.gl/maps/PumSJ
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 23, 2013, 11:40:29 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 21, 2013, 01:07:29 AM
Quote from: realjd on October 20, 2013, 10:07:49 PM
I'm going to miss these mainly because I'll miss Florida's unique call box mile marker combo signs! They were much easier to see than a standard, boring mile marker.

The PA Turnpike does the same thing.
http://goo.gl/maps/PumSJ

Not the same thing. Florida signs were split with half saying "Call Box" on blue and part saying "Mile xxx" in green with the numbers horizontal.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on October 25, 2013, 09:42:17 AM
Couple of notes from driving a truck along the Turnpike and I-75 northbound...wish I took better notes.

Half-mile markers along a three mile stretch of the Turnpike were re-labeled x.4, since somebody made a mistake. I forget which miles they were, but definitely somewhere between FL 70 and Yeehaw.

Somewhere after FL 50 or so, the new mile markers aren't used on the turnpike.

Stupid construction project around MM 220 (or so) to pave a section across the median - presumably for police and emergency vehicles - a nice F.U. to motorists. It's at one of those two "projected rest stops" that were never built.

Mile markers with I-75 shields from Wildwood to the GA state line are up. Didn't notice those two months ago.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on October 25, 2013, 12:15:52 PM
New traffic light assemblies have been put up in Titusville on US 1 to replaced the cable-stayed lights that were present at Knox-McRae, Olmstead and Country Club.  As a consequence, if you are heading northbound on US 1 the right lane green arrows at Knox-McRae and Country Club have been removed, both lanes northbound are now required to stop.  I'm sure they did that to prevent the weaving when people were gauging the change to a red in the left lane at those two intersections and jumping over to the right, but it's going to be a bit dicey with the snowbirds coming down and not realizing the signals have changed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on October 25, 2013, 12:29:19 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on October 25, 2013, 12:15:52 PM
New traffic light assemblies have been put up in Titusville on US 1 to replaced the cable-stayed lights that were present at Knox-McRae, Olmstead and Country Club.  As a consequence, if you are heading northbound on US 1 the right lane green arrows at Knox-McRae and Country Club have been removed, both lanes northbound are now required to stop.  I'm sure they did that to prevent the weaving when people were gauging the change to a red in the left lane at those two intersections and jumping over to the right, but it's going to be a bit dicey with the snowbirds coming down and not realizing the signals have changed.

We saw that construction at our mini-meet last month. The bypass lane was very handy. Its a shame that they are going by the wayside.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on October 25, 2013, 02:18:26 PM
Speaking of Titusville, I'm still mad at myself for never checking Park and South for a keys 405 shield since there was a keys 406 shield at Park and Garden.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on October 25, 2013, 06:21:07 PM
Quote from: florida on October 25, 2013, 02:18:26 PM
Speaking of Titusville, I'm still mad at myself for never checking Park and South for a keys 405 shield since there was a keys 406 shield at Park and Garden.
I believe that Key shield is gone and has been replaced with similar looking shields like these along northbound Park Avenue approaching South Street:

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/park_ave_nb_app_fl-405.jpg)

This was taken September 28th, and I remember looking at GSV at the intersection with Florida 406 and seeing this same type of shield. Its apparent that they are city installs...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on October 26, 2013, 02:22:13 AM
Quote from: flaroads on October 25, 2013, 06:21:07 PM
Quote from: florida on October 25, 2013, 02:18:26 PM
Speaking of Titusville, I'm still mad at myself for never checking Park and South for a keys 405 shield since there was a keys 406 shield at Park and Garden.
I believe that Key shield is gone and has been replaced with similar looking shields like these along northbound Park Avenue approaching South Street:


But...was there ever a keys 405 standing in 2003? The keys 406 disappeared sometime during/after 2004, and the city-installed sign is a carbon copy.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Aerobird on October 31, 2013, 01:08:43 PM
Good heavens, those are some ugly 405 signs.

Quote from: flaroads on October 18, 2013, 08:19:03 PM
FDOT removing 'antiquated' highway motorist call boxes. (http://www.news-press.com/viewart/20131018/NEWS01/131018021/Florida-DOT-removing-antiquated-highway-motorist-call-boxes)

Yes, because everybody has cell phones...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: brownpelican on October 31, 2013, 07:19:23 PM
Quote from: flaroads on October 18, 2013, 08:19:03 PM
FDOT removing 'antiquated' highway motorist call boxes. (http://www.news-press.com/viewart/20131018/NEWS01/131018021/Florida-DOT-removing-antiquated-highway-motorist-call-boxes)

QuoteOther than along the Sunshine Skyway Bridge, Florida's highways will no longer have the telephone call boxes by the end of January.

The state Department of Transportation is removing all but a few of the 2,752 push button call boxes from along its highways as personal cell phones have reduced the need for the roadside phones.

"The technology is antiquated and we're doing a lot of stuff with ITS (Intelligent Transportation Systems programs) and the Road Rangers."
The ones will remain along the Sunshine Skyway because they are part of a crisis hot line. And with everyday use of cell phones, use of the motorist call boxes has greatly diminished over the last 10 years.

I'm not surprised by this but would hope that some provisions are in place to update some of the existing cell service along portions of Interstate 10 in the Panhandle. I know there are dead spots along certain stretches where my cell phone would have no service or end up going into digital roam.

I hope they do on I-10.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on October 31, 2013, 07:46:05 PM
Quote from: Aerobird on October 31, 2013, 01:08:43 PM
Good heavens, those are some ugly 405 signs.

Quote from: flaroads on October 18, 2013, 08:19:03 PM
FDOT removing 'antiquated' highway motorist call boxes. (http://www.news-press.com/viewart/20131018/NEWS01/131018021/Florida-DOT-removing-antiquated-highway-motorist-call-boxes)

Yes, because everybody has cell phones...  :rolleyes:
Not everyone in Florida.  I get some unusual responses when I state I have no cellphone.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on November 02, 2013, 11:48:43 AM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on October 31, 2013, 07:46:05 PM
Quote from: Aerobird on October 31, 2013, 01:08:43 PM
Good heavens, those are some ugly 405 signs.

Quote from: flaroads on October 18, 2013, 08:19:03 PM
FDOT removing 'antiquated' highway motorist call boxes. (http://www.news-press.com/viewart/20131018/NEWS01/131018021/Florida-DOT-removing-antiquated-highway-motorist-call-boxes)

Yes, because everybody has cell phones...  :rolleyes:
Not everyone in Florida.  I get some unusual responses when I state I have no cellphone.
I know someone who does not have a television or internet.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on November 02, 2013, 05:11:09 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 02, 2013, 11:48:43 AM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on October 31, 2013, 07:46:05 PM
Quote from: Aerobird on October 31, 2013, 01:08:43 PM
Good heavens, those are some ugly 405 signs.

Quote from: flaroads on October 18, 2013, 08:19:03 PM
FDOT removing 'antiquated' highway motorist call boxes. (http://www.news-press.com/viewart/20131018/NEWS01/131018021/Florida-DOT-removing-antiquated-highway-motorist-call-boxes)

Yes, because everybody has cell phones...  :rolleyes:
Not everyone in Florida.  I get some unusual responses when I state I have no cellphone.
I know someone who does not have a television or internet.
I don't have a television, either, the Internet or DVDs or the radio are overwhelmingly my choices of entertainment.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: CanesFan27 on November 04, 2013, 09:23:14 AM
This seems to be the perfect race for those in the hobby!

http://a1amarathon.com/

The course is pretty much run entirely on A1A and previous medals have incorporated the A1A shield.  I think I may have to add this to my goal race list!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: UptownRoadGeek on November 05, 2013, 12:20:12 PM
Does anyone know the status of or have any information on the Palmetto/Dolphin interchange around Miami? I remember seeing some plans for it a while back and was just curious.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on November 05, 2013, 12:44:24 PM
The expectation is 2015 (http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/04/22/3358293/no-twists-or-turns-new-826-to.html) for the FL 836/826 interchange. Under construction since 2010, I recall.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on November 06, 2013, 02:38:48 AM
I know this doesn't matter to motorists, but I do wish the Sawgrass Expressway would modify its exit signs so they don't acknowledge certain exits as state roads. Either replace them with county shields, pull them completely, or add a "TO" next to them. Right now the only state road that touches the freeway is US 441/SR 7. I-75/I-595 notwithstanding.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on November 06, 2013, 07:06:41 AM
Since the county shields are rarely used in Broward County - even less so than Los Angeles County - I think that will only serve to confuse. The road name essentially suffices in that area, and maps/navigation will show the number (even if technically incorrect). Most of the signage was installed around 2008, when FL 869 was widened to six lanes, although there's a few somewhat older ones out there.

Despite a lot of split-maintenance routes, there's not many examples in Florida of them displayed together (http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Int95nExit110-CR714SR714HalfMile.jpg) on the same BGS. You do see them frequently displayed as trailblazers, however.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on November 06, 2013, 05:22:22 PM
Yes I've found very few county shields in Broward, and they're usually on FL 817 or US 441, but even I-75 south of I-595 keeps its overhead signage up to date, with Pines Blvd now the only exit carrying a state shield. The Griffin Rd, Sheridan St, and Miramar Pkwy exits are simply blank.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 06, 2013, 05:24:40 PM
Better the wrong shield than no shield.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on November 07, 2013, 04:36:35 AM
I'd take the no shield option, since Broward doesn't sign county roads. The overhead CR 814 signs at University Drive in Coral Springs are probably the only ones in the whole county.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 07, 2013, 07:47:37 AM
Quote from: emory on November 07, 2013, 04:36:35 AM
I'd take the no shield option, since Broward doesn't sign county roads. The overhead CR 814 signs at University Drive in Coral Springs are probably the only ones in the whole county.
Who does no shield benefit? Having a shield, even the wrong shield, helps those who are looking for a certain route and don't know/care that it doesn't make it all the way to 869.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on November 07, 2013, 09:05:34 AM
Quote from: emory on November 07, 2013, 04:36:35 AM
I'd take the no shield option, since Broward doesn't sign county roads. The overhead CR 814 signs at University Drive in Coral Springs are probably the only ones in the whole county.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F12%2FCR814signsOverhead.jpg&hash=f46cd053d97628d942a56aee7063652b9376a25b)

Certainly one of the few overheads with multiple MUTCD pentagons I've seen anywhere in the state. Despite the traffic, the strict mileage cap set by FDOT means it probably won't change back to SR status any time soon. Florida seems to have that habit of putting the yellow square around the pentagons, presumably for visibility - it's almost unreadable on a green background.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on November 07, 2013, 04:11:54 PM
I don't see how the yellow background is needed for visability. All it does is make the signs look like shit. Every other state that has shielded county roads does not use the yellow background.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 07, 2013, 04:40:49 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on November 07, 2013, 04:11:54 PM
Every other state that has shielded county roads does not use the yellow background.
Or not.
http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/nj/i-78/e.html
http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/nj/i-78/w.html
http://www.okroads.com/052003/i80iaexit17.JPG (white background)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on November 07, 2013, 08:28:48 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 07, 2013, 07:47:37 AM
Quote from: emory on November 07, 2013, 04:36:35 AM
I'd take the no shield option, since Broward doesn't sign county roads. The overhead CR 814 signs at University Drive in Coral Springs are probably the only ones in the whole county.
Who does no shield benefit? Having a shield, even the wrong shield, helps those who are looking for a certain route and don't know/care that it doesn't make it all the way to 869.

It's safe to say the local residents refer to these roads by their names and not their route numbers. Even state freeways.

Quote from: formulanone on November 07, 2013, 09:05:34 AM
Certainly one of the few overheads with multiple MUTCD pentagons I've seen anywhere in the state. Despite the traffic, the strict mileage cap set by FDOT means it probably won't change back to SR status any time soon.

It doesn't seem like FDOT wants to maintain any local roads west of FL 817 in north Broward or FL 823 in south Broward, or it's possible the cities don't want them to either. Right now only FL 820 reaches all the way to US 27, and it wouldn't surprise me if they relinquished that piece in the near future.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on November 07, 2013, 08:59:42 PM
Quote from: formulanone on November 07, 2013, 09:05:34 AM
Quote from: emory on November 07, 2013, 04:36:35 AM
I'd take the no shield option, since Broward doesn't sign county roads. The overhead CR 814 signs at University Drive in Coral Springs are probably the only ones in the whole county.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F12%2FCR814signsOverhead.jpg&hash=f46cd053d97628d942a56aee7063652b9376a25b)

Certainly one of the few overheads with multiple MUTCD pentagons I've seen anywhere in the state. Despite the traffic, the strict mileage cap set by FDOT means it probably won't change back to SR status any time soon. Florida seems to have that habit of putting the yellow square around the pentagons, presumably for visibility - it's almost unreadable on a green background.
I travel under these shields every morning in the dark and they are non-reflective to the point of looking almost black, even close-up.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 07, 2013, 09:04:07 PM
Quote from: emory on November 07, 2013, 08:28:48 PM
It's safe to say the local residents refer to these roads by their names and not their route numbers. Even state freeways.
Local residents are not the intended audience.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: brickbuilder711 on November 08, 2013, 09:22:26 PM
Quote from: emory on November 07, 2013, 04:36:35 AM
I'd take the no shield option, since Broward doesn't sign county roads. The overhead CR 814 signs at University Drive in Coral Springs are probably the only ones in the whole county.

Even though no overhead signage, CR 811 which appears to be a 3/10 mile section of Dixie Highway is also signed as of the Dixie Flyover project.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: andy3175 on November 08, 2013, 10:48:19 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 07, 2013, 09:04:07 PM
Quote from: emory on November 07, 2013, 08:28:48 PM
It's safe to say the local residents refer to these roads by their names and not their route numbers. Even state freeways.
Local residents are not the intended audience.

Completely agree. Route numbers help the motoring public to identify through routes. It's OK if locals call a route by name; it's also OK if a route number is assigned to help non-locals to find their way around town.

I wish we had a more robust county signing system like this in California.

Regards,
Andy
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on November 10, 2013, 11:35:55 AM
Quote from: brickbuilder711 on November 08, 2013, 09:22:26 PM
Quote from: emory on November 07, 2013, 04:36:35 AM
I'd take the no shield option, since Broward doesn't sign county roads. The overhead CR 814 signs at University Drive in Coral Springs are probably the only ones in the whole county.

Even though no overhead signage, CR 811 which appears to be a 3/10 mile section of Dixie Highway is also signed as of the Dixie Flyover project.

Yeah, there's a shield...with a white banner. I wonder if a state road sign was mounted there until the last minute.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on November 10, 2013, 03:25:37 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 07, 2013, 09:04:07 PM
Quote from: emory on November 07, 2013, 08:28:48 PM
It's safe to say the local residents refer to these roads by their names and not their route numbers. Even state freeways.
Local residents are not the intended audience.
To bad the City of Baltimore does not take this into consideration for US 1 that has sparse to none signing along its route through this major city.

Also in our very own backyard there are a few places around Orlando that forget about tourists and fail to keep up on shield maintenance.  Rosalind Avenue since it took the identity of SR 527 NB from Magnolia is one of many I can point out.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 12, 2013, 09:28:30 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 10, 2013, 03:25:37 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 07, 2013, 09:04:07 PM
Quote from: emory on November 07, 2013, 08:28:48 PM
It's safe to say the local residents refer to these roads by their names and not their route numbers. Even state freeways.
Local residents are not the intended audience.
To bad the City of Baltimore does not take this into consideration for US 1 that has sparse to none signing along its route through this major city.

U.S. 40 is not much better in Baltimore.

Then there's the matter of U.S. 1 Alternate in Washington, D.C. - it simply is not signed - at all.

Quote from: roadman65 on November 10, 2013, 03:25:37 PM
Also in our very own backyard there are a few places around Orlando that forget about tourists and fail to keep up on shield maintenance.  Rosalind Avenue since it took the identity of SR 527 NB from Magnolia is one of many I can point out.

Yes, maintaining signs is more important in places with lots of visitor/tourist traffic.  Not that D.C. is especially concerned about same.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on November 12, 2013, 12:24:12 PM
In the Orlando area, Orange County does not have it's county routes properly signed. Signage is very hit and miss.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on November 12, 2013, 09:59:06 PM
Florida senators want to increase speed limit to 75 on highways (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/os-florida-senators-want-to-increase-speed-limit-20131112,0,2958314.story)

The proposed increase would be along rural interstates. The measure will go before Legislation during the 2014 session.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 12, 2013, 11:03:38 PM
Quote from: flaroads on November 12, 2013, 09:59:06 PM
Florida senators want to increase speed limit to 75 on highways (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/os-florida-senators-want-to-increase-speed-limit-20131112,0,2958314.story)

The proposed increase would be along rural interstates. The measure will go before Legislation during the 2014 session.

+1

Traffic moves well above 70 already so they may as well legalize it.

I've heard from a few of my cop neighbors and friends that the unofficial rule is less than 85 and they won't bother pulling you over unless you're otherwise driving like a dick or fit the profile of a drug runner car. I wonder if the tolerance there will go up as well. I have a hard time believing that FHP will raise their tolerance limit to 90.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on November 13, 2013, 06:00:47 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on November 12, 2013, 12:24:12 PM
In the Orlando area, Orange County does not have it's county routes properly signed. Signage is very hit and miss.

And there's an awful lot in Orange County aren't there? At least they sign the SR 15 maintenance gap so motorists can continue the route. I guess that grew not long ago. The state relinquished SR 15 from the Beeline to Lee Vista.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on November 13, 2013, 05:54:47 PM
Quote from: flaroads on November 12, 2013, 09:59:06 PM
Florida senators want to increase speed limit to 75 on highways (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/os-florida-senators-want-to-increase-speed-limit-20131112,0,2958314.story)

The proposed increase would be along rural interstates. The measure will go before Legislation during the 2014 session.
Aligator Alley and parts of the Turnpike would benefit from being 75 and it would give more than enough miles of road to warrant it!   Look at LA with I-49, the 92 mile stretch from SR 70 to US 192, all of I-75 from Naples to Andytown, and parts of I-10 west of Tallahassee would be more miles than from Opelousas to Shreveport.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 15, 2013, 03:24:50 PM
The new braided ramp (http://www.cflroads.com/project/416518-1/I-4_Braided_Ramp_from_Eastbound_I-4_to_West_Osceola_Parkway) at I-4 eastbound exit 65 (Osceola Parkway) is now open.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on November 15, 2013, 06:49:45 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 13, 2013, 05:54:47 PM
...all of I-75 from Naples to Andytown...

The cynic in me says Snake Road overpass area gets to stay at 70, so the Miccosukee Police can make a few greenbacks.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on November 16, 2013, 11:22:24 AM
I just saw a screw up by either the signing contractor or project designer in Orlando.  The NB US 441 reassurence marker just north of Lee Road that was removed during the JYP Extension project has been replaced.  Yes replaced!  However, not like it should as there is now a FL 441 shield at that particular location.

Yet around the corner new US 441 shields are in place along NB FL 423 on its new ramp to Lee Road.  It would be interesting to know how they can screw that one up. 

It was dark yesterday when I saw it and did not have my camera, so I was unable to get a photo of it, but will get one soon.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 03, 2013, 10:59:40 AM
I was wondering about the truck route for US 17-92 in Kissimmee. FL and why it now exists using Osceola Parkway and John Young Parkway as it bypasses nothing that creates a problem.  The area it bypasses is where US 17-92 is concurrent with either US 192 or US 441, and both of these routes have no truck bypass where overlapped.

Years ago, I know, there used to be a Truck Route US 17-92 that followed today's US 17-92 around Downtown Kissimmee as the mainline originally went through Downtown.  That was for obvious reasons, but this does not bypass anything at all! 

I do not even see trucks obeying it either as I witnessed one trucker who followed mainline US 17-92 completely through Kissimmee, even though I wished he would have followed it as he was ignorant to the right lane drop just south of Osceola Parkway where he did an unsafe lane change to get back onto the main through lanes.

This to me, seems useless unless FDOT is trying to loosen up the load on US 192. This here is where the left turn lanes are already filled to capacity where both directions of US 17-92 need to turn left to leave its US 192 concurrency. If they trying to get rid of the trucks that take up space in the already crowded turn lanes it does make sense. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 03, 2013, 11:04:11 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 03, 2013, 10:59:40 AM
I was wondering about the truck route for US 17-92 in Kissimmee. FL and why it now exists using Osceola Parkway and John Young Parkway as it bypasses nothing that creates a problem.  The area it bypasses is where US 17-92 is concurrent with either US 192 or US 441, and both of these routes have no truck bypass where overlapped.
Maybe the intent is to avoid the turns at constrained intersections.

Quote from: roadman65 on December 03, 2013, 10:59:40 AM
I do not even see trucks obeying it either as I witnessed one trucker who followed mainline US 17-92 completely through Kissimmee, even though I wished he would have followed it as he was ignorant to the right lane drop just south of Osceola Parkway where he did an unsafe lane change to get back onto the main through lanes.
Truckers don't have to obey it, unless there are signs on the mainline that ban trucks.

Quote from: roadman65 on December 03, 2013, 10:59:40 AM
This to me, seems useless unless FDOT is trying to loosen up the load on US 192. This here is where the left turn lanes are already filled to capacity where both directions of US 17-92 need to turn left to leave its US 192 concurrency. If they trying to get rid of the trucks that take up space in the already crowded turn lanes it does make sense. 
Yeah, that's probably it. And trucks needing to make wide right turns.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on December 03, 2013, 01:28:31 PM
QuoteTruckers don't have to obey it, unless there are signs on the mainline that ban trucks.

What? The one for US 380 in Denton, TX , just has/had "US 380 [direction] TRUCK ROUTE JCT 1/2 MILE" then a "TRUCK [direction] US 380 --> assembly. There are/were no "NO TRUCKS" signs on the mainline.

They do enforce it.

Note...they have added at least one no trucks w/ straight arrow to a route marker assembly at I-35. I really don't frequent this area anymore, so I don't know if anything else has been added.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 03, 2013, 02:17:42 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on December 03, 2013, 01:28:31 PM
What? The one for US 380 in Denton, TX , just has/had "US 380 [direction] TRUCK ROUTE JCT 1/2 MILE" then a "TRUCK [direction] US 380 --> assembly. There are/were no "NO TRUCKS" signs on the mainline.

They do enforce it.
There may be a local ordinance, but I can't see them winning in court if signs are not posted, at least on a first offense. It's simple enough to post 'no trucks' or 'thru trucks must turn right' signs.

http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part2/part2d.htm#section2D20
QuoteOption:
01 The TRUCK (M4-4) auxiliary sign (see Figure 2D-4) may be used to designate an alternate route that branches from a numbered route, when it is desirable to encourage or require commercial vehicles to use the alternate route.
Bold added.

Also, I've communicated with FDOT about where there are truck bans on state roads, and they confirmed that the existence of a signed truck route does not itself ban thru trucks from the non-truck route.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mstgator on December 03, 2013, 07:30:26 PM
For anyone who'd like to get some photos on the I-4/Selmon Expressway Connector before it opens to traffic:

http://www.mytbi.com/news/quick.asp?newsid=276

RUN the Connector (before you can drive it)
11/21/2013
You've been watching the construction of the I-4/Selmon Expressway Connector since March of 2010.

Wouldn't it be special to run/walk on the ramps without having to worry about traffic?

Your one legal chance to do just that happens December 28, 2013 in the "Run the Connector 5K!"

Yes -- a 5K run will be held on a portion of the new elevated roadway -- allowing the public a one-time opportunity to see Tampa from a unique perspective as they run from 20th Street to Interstate 4 and back. Along the mostly-elevated route on some of the new bridges, runners will be able to see McKay Bay, Palmetto Beach, the roadway's state-of-the-art tolling gantry, downtown Tampa and many other interesting views. Local charities will benefit from race proceeds.

More info and registration is available at RunTheConnector5K.com. Register today!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: PColumbus73 on December 04, 2013, 12:01:15 PM
While I was going through Florida over Thanksgiving Weekend, I noticed Duval County/Jacksonville are in the process of resigning I-95, adding APL at the 295 interchanges. Also, I was wondering what they are building on the south side of Jacksonville, below the southern interchange with I-295, is it a dog-leg between 95 and 295 similar to I-865 in Indianapolis?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 04, 2013, 12:03:02 PM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on December 04, 2013, 12:01:15 PM
Also, I was wondering what they are building on the south side of Jacksonville, below the southern interchange with I-295, is it a dog-leg between 95 and 295 similar to I-865 in Indianapolis?
Yes: http://www.sr9b.com/sr9b/ (it's planned to be I-795)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 04, 2013, 10:54:12 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 04, 2013, 12:03:02 PM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on December 04, 2013, 12:01:15 PM
Also, I was wondering what they are building on the south side of Jacksonville, below the southern interchange with I-295, is it a dog-leg between 95 and 295 similar to I-865 in Indianapolis?
Yes: http://www.sr9b.com/sr9b/ (it's planned to be I-795)

And here's the thread we have dedicated on that highway:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2867.0
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 06, 2013, 05:56:58 PM
I was just by the future Jeff Fuqua Boulevard (aka Airport Boulevard) and SR 417 interchange that was developing in Orange County, and saw that they stopped construction of the direct freeway to freeway connection between SR 417 and the Orlando Airport.  The partially built roadway has it stop just south of J Lawson Boulevard with an Evil Knievel ramp south of the new underpass, plus the work on FL 417 itself only created stubs, but the in between seems to have stopped. 

It looks like to me that the project was not for a complete connection, but partial work as either the OOCEA or the Airport is waiting to figure out where to obtain the funding is to come from.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 06, 2013, 06:33:13 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 06, 2013, 05:56:58 PM
It looks like to me that the project was not for a complete connection, but partial work as either the OOCEA or the Airport is waiting to figure out where to obtain the funding is to come from.
It looks like to me that you're wrong.
http://www.oocea.com/TravelersExpressways/Expressways/CurrentExpressways/417EasternBeltway/ConstructionProjects/tabid/356/Article/257/sr-417boggy-creek-road-interchange.aspx
QuoteDuring phase one, beginning February 2013, new alignments will be constructed. Phase two, estimated to start in early 2014, will include the construction of the new flyover ramps for the interchange. Work is anticipated to be completed by late 2015.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on December 06, 2013, 08:06:55 PM
Quote from: mstgator on December 03, 2013, 07:30:26 PM
For anyone who'd like to get some photos on the I-4/Selmon Expressway Connector before it opens to traffic:

http://www.mytbi.com/news/quick.asp?newsid=276

RUN the Connector (before you can drive it)
11/21/2013
You've been watching the construction of the I-4/Selmon Expressway Connector since March of 2010.

Wouldn't it be special to run/walk on the ramps without having to worry about traffic?

Your one legal chance to do just that happens December 28, 2013 in the "Run the Connector 5K!"

Yes -- a 5K run will be held on a portion of the new elevated roadway -- allowing the public a one-time opportunity to see Tampa from a unique perspective as they run from 20th Street to Interstate 4 and back. Along the mostly-elevated route on some of the new bridges, runners will be able to see McKay Bay, Palmetto Beach, the roadway's state-of-the-art tolling gantry, downtown Tampa and many other interesting views. Local charities will benefit from race proceeds.

More info and registration is available at RunTheConnector5K.com. Register today!

Does this connector have a route number?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 07, 2013, 10:24:48 AM
Quote from: NE2 on December 06, 2013, 06:33:13 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 06, 2013, 05:56:58 PM
It looks like to me that the project was not for a complete connection, but partial work as either the OOCEA or the Airport is waiting to figure out where to obtain the funding is to come from.
It looks like to me that you're wrong.
http://www.oocea.com/TravelersExpressways/Expressways/CurrentExpressways/417EasternBeltway/ConstructionProjects/tabid/356/Article/257/sr-417boggy-creek-road-interchange.aspx
QuoteDuring phase one, beginning February 2013, new alignments will be constructed. Phase two, estimated to start in early 2014, will include the construction of the new flyover ramps for the interchange. Work is anticipated to be completed by late 2015.
I am glad that I am wrong here, although the gap between phases is a little too big I must add. 

The JYP widening from four to eight lanes, on another topic, is taking forever to transfer traffic to the newly constructed right lane so that the left lane can be closed to work on the median for the new left lane and turn lanes.  It seems like they are dragging their feet in getting this part done as the Sand Lake Intersection was completed in no time, yet since they finished that part of the project work has been scarce.  True the drainage area between both Southpark Circle's intersections was a big project and that took months to accomplish, but the rest was laid out back in July.  The drainage part was done in September of this year and three whole months passed and only a couple of bulldozers or two were seen moving dirt around during this time frame.

The project, unlike the SR 417/ Boggy Creek interchange is one whole project with maybe the Sand Lake part the first phase as that intersection is a major point where minimum interruptions are to be kept while the rest is back burner stuff.  However, it should not take them that long to move traffic over on a road that has been paved already.  It would be most interesting to see what the hold up is, or if Orange County granted the company time in between so that another worthwhile project takes place in another part of the county.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 07, 2013, 01:16:56 PM
Fenton has been sitting there for months, seemingly ready to open.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 10, 2013, 01:05:18 AM
Quote from: NE2 on December 07, 2013, 01:16:56 PM
Fenton has been sitting there for months, seemingly ready to open.
So is Destination Way.  It is only incomplete from JYP to one block west.  They have the light working now at its terminus with John Young and Southpark Circle, but you would figure that a short little piece of road would take only a week or so to complete.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 10, 2013, 01:09:24 AM
Destination Parkway is accessible via Futures Drive, so big whoop.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 10, 2013, 10:18:47 AM
Quote from: NE2 on December 10, 2013, 01:09:24 AM
Destination Parkway is accessible via Futures Drive, so big whoop.
They could have completed that lousy few hundred feet easily.  You said it yourself what a relief route that is going to be when its all done and called Orange County a NIMBY basically on an earlier post for them not getting it done already.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 10, 2013, 12:40:42 PM
what
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 10, 2013, 07:19:16 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 10, 2013, 12:40:42 PM
what
Please I ain't got no time to look back through thousands of posts, but you did complain about Orange County once before when I mentioned the widening of JYP from FL 528 to Sand Lake when I mentioned it in a thread months ago that it stopped Destination Way from being completed as I guessed they were waiting for the widening to finish to link the two together.  You were rambling on how that was not a good idea as you felt at the time that completing Destination Way would help ease congestion on JYP.

Anyway, back onto another topic.  I just rode EB FL 408 to its eastern end and noticed that the curve where the Expressway goes from heading E-W to N-S that left a wide median as the two carriageways deviated some distance from each other was changed a bit.  Now both carriageways stay together instead of splitting apart. 

This was done for if or when the OOCEA decides to extend FL 408 to either FL 520 or I-95 on the Coast that the point of extension could be constructed with the current freeway curves become interchange ramps to what would become an extended Challenger Parkway.  Now, I would not think that OOCEA would give up on the idea of extending the FL 408, considering that FL 50 is congested from Orlando to the 520 cut off, so I am to think that it must be a safety issue, being I have driven that curve multiple times, with motorists having to slow down below the posted 55 mph that is implemented there.  I doubt that anyone would do double work as now a new interchange would have to be constructed if the OOCEA does decide to ever extend FL 408 to the east, instead of in the past where the new road would be built in the wide median.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 10, 2013, 09:08:02 PM
Uh no. I was saying that they should get what's now open opened up, so JYP-bound traffic has an alternate route.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 11, 2013, 08:29:43 AM
Conroy Road and Millenia Boulevard once faced what Fenton Street is now.  The Conroy Overpass was finished long before its opening that caused traffic on Conroy a needless long detour.  I am sure you know that Americana Boulevard once continued west of John Young Parkway and was aligned through where Millenia Mall now sits. 

The mall itself was constructed along with the overpass over I-4, so for many months motorists had to follow the existing Conroy between its curve west of JYP to Millenia Boulevard then be forced to turn south on Millenia (as Millenia from Conroy to JYP was not opened yet either) then to Radebaugh Way to where American once termiated at Vineland Road.   That was, indeed, a long detour considering it replaced where drivers once drove straight across the present day retail area and yet could not drive another straight line (that is the current Conroy across I-4).

Nonetheless, hold ups seem to happen quite frequently when it comes to roads.  Some for extended periods as well as in the case of Fenton Street.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on December 12, 2013, 10:08:21 PM
It looks like once the I-4/Selmon connector is complete, FDOT is going to relinquish FL 585. At least in downtown Ybor City. I wonder if they'll turn over more than that since it cosigns with US 41 Business.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 12, 2013, 10:12:35 PM
Quote from: emory on December 12, 2013, 10:08:21 PM
It looks like once the I-4/Selmon connector is complete, FDOT is going to relinquish FL 585.
[citation needed]

Quote from: emory on December 12, 2013, 10:08:21 PM
I wonder if they'll turn over more than that since it cosigns with US 41 Business.
It's not on US 41 Business, cosigned or otherwise. That part of 41 Business is SR 45.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on December 13, 2013, 01:20:58 AM
Quote from: NE2 on December 12, 2013, 10:12:35 PM
Quote from: emory on December 12, 2013, 10:08:21 PM
It looks like once the I-4/Selmon connector is complete, FDOT is going to relinquish FL 585.
[citation needed]

I had an email chat with Brian Beaty of District 7 asking about any state roads that are planned to be added or deleted. This was October of 2009.

"From time to time the jurisdiction of a state road is transferred to a city or county.  Florida statutes require that changes in jurisdiction may only be accomplished by mutual agreement of the parties involved.

I am the District's coordinator for such transfer of jurisdiction.  At present, we are working with the City of Tampa for the transfer jurisdiction of S.R. 585 (21st and 22nd Streets), from S.R. 60 to S.R. 600 (Hillsborough Avenue).  No formal agreement has been executed.  A public hearing is typically offered prior to effecting a formal agreement, and would be advertized in the Tampa Tribune newspaper."
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on December 13, 2013, 08:29:54 AM
Latest article related to the Selmon/Interstate 4 Connector. (http://tampatrib.com/news/business/i-4-selmon-connector-nears-completion-20131212/)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on December 14, 2013, 06:59:45 AM
Quote from: NE2 on December 12, 2013, 10:12:35 PM
Quote from: emory on December 12, 2013, 10:08:21 PM
It looks like once the I-4/Selmon connector is complete, FDOT is going to relinquish FL 585.
[citation needed]

Quote from: emory on December 12, 2013, 10:08:21 PM
I wonder if they'll turn over more than that since it cosigns with US 41 Business.
It's not on US 41 Business, cosigned or otherwise. That part of 41 Business is SR 45.

I thought it followed 41 Bus south of FL 60. My mistake then.

Quote from: florida on December 13, 2013, 01:20:58 AM
Quote from: NE2 on December 12, 2013, 10:12:35 PM
Quote from: emory on December 12, 2013, 10:08:21 PM
It looks like once the I-4/Selmon connector is complete, FDOT is going to relinquish FL 585.
[citation needed]

I had an email chat with Brian Beaty of District 7 asking about any state roads that are planned to be added or deleted. This was October of 2009.

"From time to time the jurisdiction of a state road is transferred to a city or county.  Florida statutes require that changes in jurisdiction may only be accomplished by mutual agreement of the parties involved.

I am the District's coordinator for such transfer of jurisdiction.  At present, we are working with the City of Tampa for the transfer jurisdiction of S.R. 585 (21st and 22nd Streets), from S.R. 60 to S.R. 600 (Hillsborough Avenue).  No formal agreement has been executed.  A public hearing is typically offered prior to effecting a formal agreement, and would be advertized in the Tampa Tribune newspaper."

So it sounds like FDOT wants to drop all of current route 585. Maybe the connector can take that number. I sure would've liked it to take a 3di of Interstate 4, but the state seems reluctant to put tolls on interstates.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 18, 2013, 04:37:06 PM
I just found out why the construction contractor who is widening John Young Parkway in Orlando, is stalling!   It is not that they are not working on the job, it is just that their priorities are all wrong.

They have the new permanent right lane in from Sand Lake Road to FL 528, as they have had for months now. However, yesterday I seen workers pouring concrete for the sidewalk and placing sod down on the side of the road along with it.

Instead of just opening the new road and commencing on ripping up the median for the new left lane grading, they are wasting time on a sidewalk that really does not need immediate attention.  The sidewalks could be done at anytime, but traffic is a nightmare between the hours of 5 PM and 7 PM if you head southbound on JYP as businesses along the side roads are ending their shifts and emptying more cars into the already congested roadway.  This causing a five minuet ride into almost 25 minuets of waiting. 

Just when you think you have seen it all, something else comes up that makes absolutely no sense at all!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Henry on December 19, 2013, 02:49:21 PM
Quote from: emory on December 14, 2013, 06:59:45 AMSo it sounds like FDOT wants to drop all of current route 585. Maybe the connector can take that number. I sure would've liked it to take a 3di of Interstate 4, but the state seems reluctant to put tolls on interstates.
Lots of states are wise to keep interstate shields off of toll roads, especially the newer ones that are built. And I think that in FL, the Sunshine Skyway on I-275 is the lone exception to the "no tolls on Interstates" rule.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 19, 2013, 03:06:10 PM
Quote from: Henry on December 19, 2013, 02:49:21 PM
And I think that in FL, the Sunshine Skyway on I-275 is the lone exception to the "no tolls on Interstates" rule.
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/FL/FL19650841i1.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on December 19, 2013, 03:28:07 PM
Don't forget the 12 miles of Express Lanes on I-95 in Miami-Dade county.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on December 20, 2013, 03:10:09 AM
Quote from: Henry on December 19, 2013, 02:49:21 PM
Quote from: emory on December 14, 2013, 06:59:45 AMSo it sounds like FDOT wants to drop all of current route 585. Maybe the connector can take that number. I sure would've liked it to take a 3di of Interstate 4, but the state seems reluctant to put tolls on interstates.
Lots of states are wise to keep interstate shields off of toll roads, especially the newer ones that are built. And I think that in FL, the Sunshine Skyway on I-275 is the lone exception to the "no tolls on Interstates" rule.

After posting I thought of the Skyway and Alligator Alley, but still, I don't see FDOT building any new tolled freeways and signing them as interstates.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on December 21, 2013, 10:45:43 AM
There's a bill in the upcoming legislative session to allow FDOT to raise the speed limits on freeways to 75, dual carriageway highways to 70, and two lane roads to 65. Naturally, the usual suspects are all "omg speed kills".

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-12-19/news/os-group-opposes-higher-speed-limits-20131219_1_speed-limit-70-mph-5-mph-increase
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 21, 2013, 10:59:17 AM
For 75 mph only parts of I-10 (mainly the Panhandle), Alligator Alley (I-75) and the Florida Turnpike (mainly from St. Cloud to Fort Pierce) to be 75 mph.

As far as 70 on four lane arterials go, only US 27 through the Everglades would qualify there and I doubt FDOT District 5 would let FL 528 west of I-95 be posted at 70 which is one of the other few roads that could qualify as a 70 zone for four lane non freeways.

If 65 was allowed on two lanes, only District 1 would go for it.  Some districts still will not let 60 mph prevail on their two lane roads.  The Panhandle is one with many two lane roads that could legally be 60 mph that are still 55 mph.  Districts 4 and 6 have no two lane roads over 55, and District 5 is very picky as I have only found FL 50 in Sumter County, FL 407 in Brevard County, and FL 60 in Osceola County to have 60 mph.  District 2 in NE FL is careful what roads they sign as they have plenty of two lane roads that qualify, but are most choosy on which one should be signed.

I think only the 75 would win on freeways out of em all.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on December 21, 2013, 01:46:27 PM
Don't think I've seen one of these in Broward before...?

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/7XKZCxIoYqsTr4p0Zaa87WGlRWlLkJhSLkBb5OMUx1U=w617-h822-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on December 21, 2013, 06:27:55 PM
Wow, a state-named Interstate shield in Florida.  Rare as hen's teeth down here.  Last one I had seen for a long, long time was the very faded TO Interstate 95 shield on the Florida's Turnpike before the "exit" to the Homestead Extension.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 21, 2013, 07:32:35 PM
They've been popping up on various projects in the past few years, perhaps due to contractors. For example, there's I-95 at SR 507 and SR 514 (?), and I-10 and I-95 on US 90 in Jax.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on December 21, 2013, 11:39:42 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 21, 2013, 07:32:35 PM
They've been popping up on various projects in the past few years, perhaps due to contractors. For example, there's I-95 at SR 507 and SR 514 (?), and I-10 and I-95 on US 90 in Jax.

Yes, I knew of one or two in Tallahassee a while back I don't think I've ever seen one in Broward before.

This one was in Tally in 2004:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FnxfqFgv.jpg&hash=870e3b92d0b6861cfd9ab8c864d5ad6983d88c60)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on December 23, 2013, 12:27:13 PM
Found a state-named I-10 near FL 77 and US 90 in Chipley a few weeks ago. Clicked an I-75 variety at CRs 846/951. State-named 95s seem to be more common (still, 1 out of 50, it seems), but I've seen them scattered about the state...all of them I've seen were "TO" bannered, instead of along the interstates themselves (someone posted one example for I-4), and slightly/a few miles off the interstate.

Maybe 595 will get a bunch when all the work is finished...but the only one I know in Broward is at the intersection of Atlantic and Cypress Road in Pompano Beach, for I-95.

Alabama has spoiled me on this, since moving there; like Georgia, neutered non-overhead shields are the rare ones.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on December 23, 2013, 04:33:15 PM
Quote from: formulanone on December 23, 2013, 12:27:13 PM
Maybe 595 will get a bunch when all the work is finished...but the only one I know in Broward is at the intersection of Atlantic and Cypress Road in Pompano Beach, for I-95.

Yeah, that's the one I posted
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on December 23, 2013, 07:19:38 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 21, 2013, 10:59:17 AM
For 75 mph only parts of I-10 (mainly the Panhandle), Alligator Alley (I-75) and the Florida Turnpike (mainly from St. Cloud to Fort Pierce) to be 75 mph.

As far as 70 on four lane arterials go, only US 27 through the Everglades would qualify there and I doubt FDOT District 5 would let FL 528 west of I-95 be posted at 70 which is one of the other few roads that could qualify as a 70 zone for four lane non freeways.

If 65 was allowed on two lanes, only District 1 would go for it.  Some districts still will not let 60 mph prevail on their two lane roads.  The Panhandle is one with many two lane roads that could legally be 60 mph that are still 55 mph.  Districts 4 and 6 have no two lane roads over 55, and District 5 is very picky as I have only found FL 50 in Sumter County, FL 407 in Brevard County, and FL 60 in Osceola County to have 60 mph.  District 2 in NE FL is careful what roads they sign as they have plenty of two lane roads that qualify, but are most choosy on which one should be signed.

I think only the 75 would win on freeways out of em all.

Source please.

SR-528 west of I-95 is already signed at 70 and is a great candidate for 75, as are I-95 between Titusville and Daytona and between Palm Bay and Jupiter.

There are many more roads likely to be bumped from 65 to 70. Near us I immediately think of US-192 between Melbourne and St. Cloud, SR-520 west of I-95, and stretches of SR-50 west of I-95. All are high speed roads with few to no intersections.

The jump to 65 on two lane roads I agree is less likely, but there are plenty of other 2-lane roads in the Orlando vicinity that are already at 60. Many are county roads like Nova Road (CR-532) in Orange and Osceola Counties. A bunch of 2-lane the roads up in the Ocala National Forest are other good candidates for 65, as are the roads around Lake Okeechobee.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 27, 2013, 02:46:02 PM
Found one in Miami Beach: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=25.775161,-80.13653&spn=0.015748,0.028346&gl=us&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=25.774461,-80.14021&panoid=9IShRSeAjzCYkBeYs2-obw&cbp=12,310.34,,1,-1.31
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on December 27, 2013, 05:52:53 PM
Quote from: clef on December 23, 2013, 04:33:15 PM
Quote from: formulanone on December 23, 2013, 12:27:13 PM
Maybe 595 will get a bunch when all the work is finished...but the only one I know in Broward is at the intersection of Atlantic and Cypress Road in Pompano Beach, for I-95.

Yeah, that's the one I posted

:biggrin: Oh right, there's the car wash!

Speaking of Pompano Beach, there's one seriously old street blade sign in the neighborhood just a bit north of there. Can't find the photo right now...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on December 29, 2013, 05:51:12 PM
Quote from: formulanone on December 23, 2013, 12:27:13 PMState-named 95s seem to be more common (still, 1 out of 50, it seems), but I've seen them scattered about the state...all of them I've seen were "TO" bannered, instead of along the interstates themselves (someone posted one example for I-4), and slightly/a few miles off the interstate.
I passed one yesterday in the rain heading southbound on 95, a bit north of the welcome center.

There used to be a state-named 75 on Miramar Parkway (http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg36/jcm9572/Florida%20Stuff%20Summer%202010/129_zps64fe6192.jpg) eastbound, but it was replaced with a neutered version when they "upgraded" the interchange with more traffic lights.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on December 29, 2013, 10:01:11 PM
Check this out! A highway-style overhead sign assembly on the grounds of a FORD Dealership in Sanford.

https://maps.google.com/?ll=28.810239,-81.34226&spn=0.000075,0.049825&t=h&z=15&layer=c&cbll=28.810239,-81.34226&panoid=sYiCLnslROdtDQFoABMDEA&cbp=12,154.14,,1,0 (https://maps.google.com/?ll=28.810239,-81.34226&spn=0.000075,0.049825&t=h&z=15&layer=c&cbll=28.810239,-81.34226&panoid=sYiCLnslROdtDQFoABMDEA&cbp=12,154.14,,1,0)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on December 29, 2013, 11:09:07 PM
Quote from: formulanone on December 27, 2013, 05:52:53 PM
Speaking of Pompano Beach, there's one seriously old street blade sign in the neighborhood just a bit north of there. Can't find the photo right now...

Went over there today to find this. I saw a bunch of older green blades without the white border and thought maybe you were talking about one of them, until I spotted it :)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/vm-ktdnKgKeldpaaUFkcrlNHOMq9PeSSDouDgqRDiRk=w617-h822-no)

While I was cruising around I also saw a house with a not-as-old 12th street/Dixie sign in their... driveway. Didn't get a photo but here's the GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-80.114027!3d26.233446!2m2!1f326.87!2f86.43!4f15!2m9!1e1!2m4!1s8XGBHP8Oxa5zp4G3PdmYbQ!2e0!9m1!6sNortheast+2nd+Street!5m2!1s8XGBHP8Oxa5zp4G3PdmYbQ!2e0&fid=5)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 29, 2013, 11:16:45 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on December 29, 2013, 10:01:11 PM
Check this out! A highway-style overhead sign assembly on the grounds of a FORD Dealership in Sanford.

http://maps.google.com/?ll=42.417069,-71.128768&spn=0.006424,0.014173&t=m&layer=c&cbll=42.417069,-71.128768&panoid=rdZksGk8esRU6e5H5OJGdA&cbp=12,147.39,,2,0.43&z=17
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on December 30, 2013, 12:06:22 PM
Quote from: clef on December 29, 2013, 11:09:07 PM
Went over there today to find this. I saw a bunch of older green blades without the white border and thought maybe you were talking about one of them, until I spotted it :)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/vm-ktdnKgKeldpaaUFkcrlNHOMq9PeSSDouDgqRDiRk=w617-h822-no)

That's the one. Couldn't find it on my computer, for some reason.

Quote from: Brian556 on December 29, 2013, 10:01:11 PM
Check this out! A highway-style overhead sign assembly on the grounds of a FORD Dealership in Sanford.

There's something similar for this dealership (http://goo.gl/maps/wunrx) outside West Palm Beach. Street View isn't much help, though.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F08%2FArrigoSigns1.jpg&hash=1a6fe4867cc3fdb2c2032ac07a7636a0bb093bc1)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F08%2FArrigoSigns2.jpg&hash=3c21f60193ebf261f198948bddf8be7495090f65)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F08%2FArrigoSigns3.jpg&hash=6ccbcb632d58d9f9d85e09f55655d6a21b84ece4)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 01, 2014, 02:37:56 AM
For the downtown Miami people, FDOT is doing a last round of maintenance on Brickell Avenue (US 1/FL 5) between US 41 and I-95 before they relinquish control to the city of Miami. In exchange, FDOT will adopt the following streets:

SE/SW 1st St from SW 2nd Ave to US 1 will join FL 968 eastbound*
NE/NW 1st St from NW 3rd Ave to US 1 will join FL 968 westbound*
NW 3rd Ave and NW 3rd Ct from FL 968 to the I-95 exit on NW 8th Street will be adopted as part of a new route number. Betting on 920-something.

*since there's no way they're getting Flagler Street back

Resolution passed last summer: http://egov.ci.miami.fl.us/Legistarweb/Attachments/71551.pdf
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on January 01, 2014, 04:25:21 PM
Quote from: formulanone on December 30, 2013, 12:06:22 PM
Quote from: clef on December 29, 2013, 11:09:07 PM
Went over there today to find this. I saw a bunch of older green blades without the white border and thought maybe you were talking about one of them, until I spotted it :)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/vm-ktdnKgKeldpaaUFkcrlNHOMq9PeSSDouDgqRDiRk=w617-h822-no)

That's the one. Couldn't find it on my computer, for some reason.

Quote from: Brian556 on December 29, 2013, 10:01:11 PM
Check this out! A highway-style overhead sign assembly on the grounds of a FORD Dealership in Sanford.

There's something similar for this dealership (http://goo.gl/maps/wunrx) outside West Palm Beach. Street View isn't much help, though.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F08%2FArrigoSigns1.jpg&hash=1a6fe4867cc3fdb2c2032ac07a7636a0bb093bc1)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F08%2FArrigoSigns2.jpg&hash=3c21f60193ebf261f198948bddf8be7495090f65)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F08%2FArrigoSigns3.jpg&hash=6ccbcb632d58d9f9d85e09f55655d6a21b84ece4)
The road signs at the dealership are similar to ones that used to be at AutoNation dealerships.  AutoNation had a dealership at Lyons Road and Sample Road in Coconut Creek, FL and another one in West Palm Beach, I believe near the Florida's Turnpike entrance.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 01, 2014, 07:47:17 PM
Yup, they're part of AutoNation. They have over 200 dealers nationwide, which makes them the biggest dealer group in the US. All that from a small used car lot which is now Vista BMW/Mini in Coconut Creek.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on January 02, 2014, 06:09:57 PM
Drove by a state named JCT I-4 this week but couldn't snag a photo. There's another.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 06, 2014, 02:22:06 AM
The most recent GIS data (January 4) has two new routes (which were probably added sometime last year):
*210: McWhorter Avenue/77th Special Forces Way at the new SR 85 interchange (probably unsigned)
*388: former CR 388 from 79 to 77, passing the new Northwest Florida Beaches International Airport
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 06, 2014, 02:58:17 AM
Quote from: NE2 on January 06, 2014, 02:22:06 AM
*388: former CR 388 from 79 to 77, passing the new Northwest Florida Beaches International Airport

Drove on that one last month; having looked at an old 1998 AAA map, it was also an SR back then. Maybe it was downgraded again (like the CR 388 segment just northeast of it) at some point?

Not that AAA is perfect, either...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 06, 2014, 03:29:29 AM
Quote from: formulanone on January 06, 2014, 02:58:17 AM
Drove on that one last month; having looked at an old 1998 AAA map, it was also an SR back then. Maybe it was downgraded again (like the CR 388 segment just northeast of it) at some point?
Was it signed as SR 388 when you drove it?

It definitely was SR 388 back in the day: http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00017213/00001/1x?vo=32&vp=503,1753
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 07, 2014, 12:41:01 AM
Unfortunately, I don't have the map with me right now.

These were from December. FL 79, southbound:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F01%2FFL388eSign-FL79s.jpg&hash=35006029235b46821b343718b8718bf5683218eb)

On FL 388:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F01%2FFL388eSignRoad.jpg&hash=70bb74503d76b006b7e0e2299d4e73a92813b59c)

79 just north of the first shot was under construction for about 10 miles. Stuck behind a cop doing 35, a double yellow line, and absolutely no traffic going in the other direction. [/vent]
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 07, 2014, 06:10:23 PM
There will be a public hearing on January 21st to discuss the Brickell Avenue (US 1/SR 5) transfer to Miami.

Due to the relinquishment, US 1/SR 5 will be realigned in Miami. It will shift at the Downtown Distributor over to I-95, and cosign with I-95 all the way to its southern terminus. US 41/SR 90 will assume the former US 1 alignment from Tamiami Trail to Biscayne Blvd.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/93793823/image004.png)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 07, 2014, 06:52:21 PM
Quote from: emory on January 07, 2014, 06:10:23 PM
There will be a public hearing on January 21st to discuss the Brickell Avenue (US 1/SR 5) transfer to Miami.

Due to the relinquishment, US 1/SR 5 will be realigned in Miami. It will shift at the Downtown Distributor over to I-95, and cosign with I-95 all the way to its southern terminus. US 41/SR 90 will assume the former US 1 alignment from Tamiami Trail to Biscayne Blvd.

So, I'm guessing the signage hasn't been changed yet.  Maybe with the realignment of US-1, they will finally post US-41 signage to it's true end, FL-A1A on the beaches @ Washington Ave (FDOT never submitted a proposal to shorten the highway to US-1 to the AASHTO and FDOT's GIS data still shows it going to that intersection).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 07, 2014, 09:53:38 PM
I hope not because I think it'll just make things more confusing. However I prefer the CalTrans method of one-highway-one-number signage.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 07, 2014, 10:11:34 PM
Quote from: emory on January 07, 2014, 09:53:38 PM
I hope not because I think it'll just make things more confusing. However I prefer the CalTrans method of one-highway-one-number signage.

Since I-95 would still terminate just about a mile or so short of US 1's proposed alignment, I'm not sure how the duplex be posted. My guess is with redundant "TO US 1" signage, since Florida doesn't seem to co-sign Interstates with anything else.

Wouldn't mind an FL 90 shield showing up as an Easter Egg.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 07, 2014, 10:29:24 PM
I-275 cosigns with US 19 over the Sunshine Skyway in Tampa, so it's not unheard of. Also US 17 cosigns with interstates in Jacksonville.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on January 07, 2014, 11:23:56 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 07, 2014, 06:52:21 PM
Quote from: emory on January 07, 2014, 06:10:23 PM
There will be a public hearing on January 21st to discuss the Brickell Avenue (US 1/SR 5) transfer to Miami.

Due to the relinquishment, US 1/SR 5 will be realigned in Miami. It will shift at the Downtown Distributor over to I-95, and cosign with I-95 all the way to its southern terminus. US 41/SR 90 will assume the former US 1 alignment from Tamiami Trail to Biscayne Blvd.

So, I'm guessing the signage hasn't been changed yet.  Maybe with the realignment of US-1, they will finally post US-41 signage to it's true end, FL-A1A on the beaches @ Washington Ave (FDOT never submitted a proposal to shorten the highway to US-1 to the AASHTO and FDOT's GIS data still shows it going to that intersection).
Who do you believe? There are many cases of states and FHWA disagreeing - I-676 and I-495 NY are the closest ones to me. Do you go with the Federal definition or the state definition? It's a Federally designated highway, but it's also a state route.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 07, 2014, 11:27:33 PM
Quote from: Steve on January 07, 2014, 11:23:56 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 07, 2014, 06:52:21 PM
Quote from: emory on January 07, 2014, 06:10:23 PM
There will be a public hearing on January 21st to discuss the Brickell Avenue (US 1/SR 5) transfer to Miami.

Due to the relinquishment, US 1/SR 5 will be realigned in Miami. It will shift at the Downtown Distributor over to I-95, and cosign with I-95 all the way to its southern terminus. US 41/SR 90 will assume the former US 1 alignment from Tamiami Trail to Biscayne Blvd.

So, I'm guessing the signage hasn't been changed yet.  Maybe with the realignment of US-1, they will finally post US-41 signage to it's true end, FL-A1A on the beaches @ Washington Ave (FDOT never submitted a proposal to shorten the highway to US-1 to the AASHTO and FDOT's GIS data still shows it going to that intersection).
Who do you believe? There are many cases of states and FHWA disagreeing - I-676 and I-495 NY are the closest ones to me. Do you go with the Federal definition or the state definition? It's a Federally designated highway, but it's also a state route.

Well, both the AASHTO and FDOT agree it goes to the Beaches along FL-A1A.  It just seems that FDOT in the Miami area is just being lazy in not posting it anymore.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on January 08, 2014, 02:32:52 AM
Quote from: NE2 on January 06, 2014, 02:22:06 AM
The most recent GIS data (January 4) has two new routes (which were probably added sometime last year):
*210: McWhorter Avenue/77th Special Forces Way at the new SR 85 interchange (probably unsigned)
*388: former CR 388 from 79 to 77, passing the new Northwest Florida Beaches International Airport

About SR 388, I had wondered if they'd add it because of the new airport. FDOT loves those type of connectivity things. (Side note, this route added over 12 miles to the system.)

SR 210 is only 0.269 miles long from the South-bound SR 85 ramps to the North-bound SR 85 ramps.



The proposal for US 1 in Miami is a shock. Will SR 972 continue to end at Brickell or will they truncate it to either the I-95 overpass or SR 933?

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 08, 2014, 03:15:44 AM
No documents indicate FL 972 will change. In fact, the Transit Miami website was raising a big stink over this because FDOT is actually going to control MORE Miami streets when this is finally settled.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on January 08, 2014, 04:25:41 PM
Quote from: emory on January 08, 2014, 03:15:44 AM
No documents indicate FL 972 will change. In fact, the Transit Miami website was raising a big stink over this because FDOT is actually going to control MORE Miami streets when this is finally settled.

That doesn't make sense. FDOT already transferred SR 968 in Downtown Miami a few years back. Now, US 1 is being rerouted off that section of Brickell. There are plenty of other 'useless' maintained roads down there (972 and 986 come to mind), plus there was little bits of talk about getting rid of SR 847 in the future.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 08, 2014, 05:06:43 PM
Quote from: florida on January 08, 2014, 04:25:41 PM
That doesn't make sense. FDOT already transferred SR 968 in Downtown Miami a few years back. Now, US 1 is being rerouted off that section of Brickell. There are plenty of other 'useless' maintained roads down there (972 and 986 come to mind), plus there was little bits of talk about getting rid of SR 847 in the future.

I agree. I don't get why FDOT wants control over more Miami streets. Someone at Transit Miami speculated that it's because the new streets they plan to adopt have paid parking on them and they want a piece of that. You can see what they plan to adopt here: http://www.transitmiami.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/FDOT_CoM_Transfer.jpg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 08, 2014, 05:42:00 PM
The I-95 frontage roads are an obvious addition (though without a block of NW 2nd Avenue it's a bit silly). The restoration of 968 to US 1...well, it does improve connectivity, but it's really only local traffic, especially once the port tunnel opens.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 08, 2014, 07:49:02 PM
Quote from: florida on January 08, 2014, 04:25:41 PMThere are plenty of other 'useless' maintained roads down there (972 and 986 come to mind), plus there was little bits of talk about getting rid of SR 847 in the future.

972 is part of historic Coral Way, so I don't think that should disappear. 986 is just another E-W route in the area, but I don't get the point of maintaining less than three miles of a route which spans well over forty in total (SR 847).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 09, 2014, 11:35:21 AM
Quote from: mefailenglish on December 29, 2013, 05:51:12 PM
I passed one yesterday in the rain heading southbound on 95, a bit north of the welcome center.

Saw that one as well, was glad to see it.

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-095_sb_after_us-017.jpg)

A new I-10 FL mainline entry appeared recently as well at U.S. 301:

(https://scontent-b-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1517833_10152115224047948_2015960543_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on January 09, 2014, 03:43:46 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 08, 2014, 05:42:00 PM
The I-95 frontage roads are an obvious addition (though without a block of NW 2nd Avenue it's a bit silly). The restoration of 968 to US 1...well, it does improve connectivity, but it's really only local traffic, especially once the port tunnel opens.

Are frontage roads really considered to be part of a mainline state route? There have been on- and off-ramps listed in the Straight Line Diagrams, but they end up disappearing in the next update.

Quote from: formulanone on January 08, 2014, 07:49:02 PM
Quote from: florida on January 08, 2014, 04:25:41 PMThere are plenty of other 'useless' maintained roads down there (972 and 986 come to mind), plus there was little bits of talk about getting rid of SR 847 in the future.

972 is part of historic Coral Way, so I don't think that should disappear. 986 is just another E-W route in the area, but I don't get the point of maintaining less than three miles of a route which spans well over forty in total (SR 847).

986 connects nowhere (Horse Country "A Miami-Dade Community") to nothing ( http://goo.gl/maps/RIZ0X ).
847 never went north of Pembroke Road in Broward County, and I don't think anything ever connected to it.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 09, 2014, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: florida on January 09, 2014, 03:43:46 PM
Are frontage roads really considered to be part of a mainline state route?
It probably depends, but city streets that serve as frontage roads are usually not. Hence it making sense to take these over, as they connect I-95 and SR 968.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 09, 2014, 06:31:35 PM
Quote from: florida on January 09, 2014, 03:43:46 PM
Are frontage roads really considered to be part of a mainline state route? There have been on- and off-ramps listed in the Straight Line Diagrams, but they end up disappearing in the next update.

Well, there's FL 84 in Broward.

Quote from: florida on January 09, 2014, 03:43:46 PM986 connects nowhere (Horse Country "A Miami-Dade Community") to nothing ( http://goo.gl/maps/RIZ0X ).
847 never went north of Pembroke Road in Broward County, and I don't think anything ever connected to it.

Oh man, there's so many state roads in Dade County, and some in Broward, I'd like to see go away. The southern segment of FL 825 is one. It connects FL 94 to a few parks and the air museum. 932, 969, 933 and 944 as well.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 11, 2014, 05:07:38 PM
NewGeography.com: Highway Eye-4, Revisited (http://www.newgeography.com/content/004125-highway-eye-4-revisited)

QuoteInterstate 4. It is a unique highway which is cursed by many drivers in Central Florida, and many more who come here in search of rest and relaxation. While Californians raise all highways to royal status – Interstate 5, for one, is referred to as "the five", as if it were some kind of important personage – Floridians just call their central artery I-four. My decision to chronicle I-4 was sparked by a recent experience. Along with my family, I was caught in a traffic jam as we headed east on I-4 outside of Disney World. I have been stuck on this very spot many times. But on this trip, as we sat listening to Janis Joplin, something new happened.

QuoteAlong this stretch, one can take an off-ramp that runs parallel to the interstate, linking it to one of Central Florida's toll roads. It travels for a couple miles in close proximity, and is elevated along a ridge of grass about 10 feet above the surface of I-4.

QuoteA ditch and a grassy embankment separate the off ramp and the interstate. As we watched, a driver in the right lane of I-4 turned off of the interstate, crossed the shoulder, went down into the ditch, and climbed up onto the parallel road, speeding away and out of the traffic jam. At first, one person did it, and then others followed. And then, about 500 feet ahead, we saw another stream of cars doing the exact same thing. And then, ahead of that stream, yet another stream of drivers drove over the embankment. It wasn't one or two cars, it was dozens and dozens; an en masse sheet flow ripping up the grass. People, fed up with the traffic mess, had taken matters into their own hands. And they were speeding away.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on January 11, 2014, 07:37:08 PM
I do not go much beyond work and home these days.  Nonetheless, I had occasion to travel to a business meeting in tiny Pembroke Park, FL, nestled between western Hallandale Beach and eastern Miramar, FL on FL 858 (Hallandale Beach Blvd.).  The BGS on the entrances-to and -on the Florida's Turnpike put the "B" in big green signs.  Enormous signs, with large gantries and poles to match.  Upward pointing directional arrows on the Turnpike for the split between the old Turnpike and the Homestead Extension at exit 47.  If any our members happen to be in that area, there is plenty to see.   
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 11, 2014, 08:54:27 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 11, 2014, 05:07:38 PM
QuoteAlong this stretch, one can take an off-ramp that runs parallel to the interstate, linking it to one of Central Florida's toll roads. It travels for a couple miles in close proximity, and is elevated along a ridge of grass about 10 feet above the surface of I-4.

QuoteA ditch and a grassy embankment separate the off ramp and the interstate. As we watched, a driver in the right lane of I-4 turned off of the interstate, crossed the shoulder, went down into the ditch, and climbed up onto the parallel road, speeding away and out of the traffic jam. At first, one person did it, and then others followed. And then, about 500 feet ahead, we saw another stream of cars doing the exact same thing. And then, ahead of that stream, yet another stream of drivers drove over the embankment. It wasn't one or two cars, it was dozens and dozens; an en masse sheet flow ripping up the grass. People, fed up with the traffic mess, had taken matters into their own hands. And they were speeding away.

I experienced and partook in this same concept on our way to the Orlando road meet in 2006. Traffic on I-4 east ground to a halt, and a number of motorists drove up the embankment onto the adjacent SR 417 toll carriageway. We did this and took it east to John Young Parkway north back to I-4 and on to the meet. Still got there late, but only NE2 had gotten there before us.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DAL764 on January 12, 2014, 06:45:26 AM
Quote from: Alex on January 11, 2014, 08:54:27 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 11, 2014, 05:07:38 PM
QuoteAlong this stretch, one can take an off-ramp that runs parallel to the interstate, linking it to one of Central Florida's toll roads. It travels for a couple miles in close proximity, and is elevated along a ridge of grass about 10 feet above the surface of I-4.

QuoteA ditch and a grassy embankment separate the off ramp and the interstate. As we watched, a driver in the right lane of I-4 turned off of the interstate, crossed the shoulder, went down into the ditch, and climbed up onto the parallel road, speeding away and out of the traffic jam. At first, one person did it, and then others followed. And then, about 500 feet ahead, we saw another stream of cars doing the exact same thing. And then, ahead of that stream, yet another stream of drivers drove over the embankment. It wasn't one or two cars, it was dozens and dozens; an en masse sheet flow ripping up the grass. People, fed up with the traffic mess, had taken matters into their own hands. And they were speeding away.

I experienced and partook in this same concept on our way to the Orlando road meet in 2006. Traffic on I-4 east ground to a halt, and a number of motorists drove up the embankment onto the adjacent SR 417 toll carriageway. We did this and took it east to John Young Parkway north back to I-4 and on to the meet. Still got there late, but only NE2 had gotten there before us.
Not knowing the regulations in Florida, what would your fine be if the police were to catch you doing that? Not that I think the police would even bother if cars were doing this by the dozens.

As a side, I often forget just how long the 417 exit ramp from I-4 NB is and actually begins at the World Drive interchange.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 12, 2014, 10:02:38 AM
Quote from: DAL764 on January 12, 2014, 06:45:26 AM
Quote from: Alex on January 11, 2014, 08:54:27 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 11, 2014, 05:07:38 PM
QuoteAlong this stretch, one can take an off-ramp that runs parallel to the interstate, linking it to one of Central Florida's toll roads. It travels for a couple miles in close proximity, and is elevated along a ridge of grass about 10 feet above the surface of I-4.

QuoteA ditch and a grassy embankment separate the off ramp and the interstate. As we watched, a driver in the right lane of I-4 turned off of the interstate, crossed the shoulder, went down into the ditch, and climbed up onto the parallel road, speeding away and out of the traffic jam. At first, one person did it, and then others followed. And then, about 500 feet ahead, we saw another stream of cars doing the exact same thing. And then, ahead of that stream, yet another stream of drivers drove over the embankment. It wasn't one or two cars, it was dozens and dozens; an en masse sheet flow ripping up the grass. People, fed up with the traffic mess, had taken matters into their own hands. And they were speeding away.

I experienced and partook in this same concept on our way to the Orlando road meet in 2006. Traffic on I-4 east ground to a halt, and a number of motorists drove up the embankment onto the adjacent SR 417 toll carriageway. We did this and took it east to John Young Parkway north back to I-4 and on to the meet. Still got there late, but only NE2 had gotten there before us.
Not knowing the regulations in Florida, what would your fine be if the police were to catch you doing that? Not that I think the police would even bother if cars were doing this by the dozens.

As a side, I often forget just how long the 417 exit ramp from I-4 NB is and actually begins at the World Drive interchange.

Florida 417 starts as amid the c/d roadways for World Drive and Celebration. The carriageways run along side one another for 2.1 miles before parting ways.

Every time I have partaken in such a thing, I have been one of dozens and it was due to some monumental traffic jam. IOW I would never attempt to do such a thing on my own...

I have driven the wrong way on a I-275 on-ramp ahead of the Howard Frankland Bridge with many others once; I used the maintenance u-turn below the south end of the Howard Frankland as one of a long line doing so as well to avoid another traffic halt. Once also drove the wrong way up an on-ramp to I-95 northbound from US 301 in NC when traffic came to an abrupt stop, following others back to US 301 north. All four times I joined others doing that sure beat the alternative of sitting there and not moving (as I did on I-85 once in SC for three whole hours, which did lead to police directing everyone northbound on the southbound carriageway back to the previous off-ramp).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on January 14, 2014, 10:30:37 AM
Quote from: emory on January 07, 2014, 10:29:24 PM
I-275 cosigns with US 19 over the Sunshine Skyway in Tampa, so it's not unheard of. Also US 17 cosigns with interstates in Jacksonville.

US 17 is not really signed on the mainline at all. US17 and SR228 are routed on I-10 and I-95 near downtown.  However its a secret to everyone but roadgeeks and FL DOT employees on the mainline.  In fact the exit for Forest St is signed at "TO" US17/ FL 228.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 14, 2014, 10:57:52 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 14, 2014, 10:30:37 AM
In fact the exit for Forest St is signed at "TO" US17/ FL 228.
Which isn't even where US 17/SR 228 exits. Someone was working with the old alignment when making those sign plans.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 14, 2014, 02:00:05 PM
A new State Road 690 (http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/fmsupportapps/workprogram/Support/WPItemRept.ASPX?RF=WP&D=07&CD=15&FY=FALSE%7CFALSE%7CFALSE%7CFALSE%7CFALSE%7CFALSE&ITM=413622~2&RP=ITEM) designation will eventually be applied over what is now CR 296 in Pinellas between US 19 and I-275/SR 686 (Roosevelt Boulevard).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 14, 2014, 02:03:24 PM
Quote from: Alex on January 14, 2014, 02:00:05 PM
A new State Road 690 (http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/fmsupportapps/workprogram/Support/WPItemRept.ASPX?RF=WP&D=07&CD=15&FY=FALSE%7CFALSE%7CFALSE%7CFALSE%7CFALSE%7CFALSE&ITM=413622~2&RP=ITEM) designation will eventually be applied over what is now CR 296 in Pinellas between US 19 and I-275/SR 686 (Roosevelt Boulevard).
About a decade ago the short piece from I-275 was being inventoried as SR 692. Now it's a spur of SR 686 (signed as CR 296, of course).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on January 14, 2014, 04:17:53 PM
Its nice that they finally completed that interchange at 118th St. I guess that is going to be the freeway-to-freeway connector between I-275 and traffic wanting to head north on US-19. There is plans of that project online somewhere showing the overpass upgrades, but I can't seem to locate it at the moment.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 14, 2014, 05:57:23 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on January 14, 2014, 04:17:53 PM
There is plans of that project online somewhere showing the overpass upgrades, but I can't seem to locate it at the moment.
http://archived.fdotd7studies.com/cr296/us19-to-roosevelt/
http://archived.fdotd7studies.com/cr296/us19-to-roosevelt/wp-content/themes/d7studiesarchived/images/pdf/118th-Ave-FPER-Rev-12-31-05-w_Figs_noAppendix.pdf (p. 15) shows both planned routes, to US 19 and to the Bayside Bridge. The latter is also hidden in an airport expansion PDF:
Quote from: NE2 on June 09, 2013, 03:34:05 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on June 09, 2013, 01:33:31 AM
Any actual project plans available for this? Curious how they are going to squeeze in a new roadway given how built up that area is.
http://www.fly2pie.com/media/Projects-Master_Plan/10-Chapter9.pdf pages 5-6. The part connecting to I-275 has already been built.
which is no longer online, but archived: http://web.archive.org/web/20101225030025/http://www.fly2pie.com/media/Projects-Master_Plan/10-Chapter9.pdf
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 16, 2014, 03:41:34 PM
It appears that Florida is trying to one up South Carolina and build big fancy gateways at the state lines:
http://www.floridatoday.com/viewart/20140116/NEWS01/140116009/Welcome-Florida-not-welcoming-enough-

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcmsimg.floridatoday.com%2Fapps%2Fpbcsi.dll%2Fbilde%3FSite%3DA9%26amp%3BDate%3D20140116%26amp%3BCategory%3DNEWS01%26amp%3BArtNo%3D140116009%26amp%3BRef%3DAR%26amp%3BMaxW%3D300%26amp%3BBorder%3D0%26amp%3BWelcome-Florida-not-welcoming-enough-&hash=f23bb34fcb80d4aad9b13be592194fdc0b68d5a5)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 16, 2014, 04:29:02 PM
Quote from: realjd on January 16, 2014, 03:41:34 PM
It appears that Florida is trying to one up South Carolina and build big fancy gateways at the state lines:
http://www.floridatoday.com/viewart/20140116/NEWS01/140116009/Welcome-Florida-not-welcoming-enough-

Perhaps too many folks were making illegal U-turns when they saw Rick Scott's name.

Using the FDOT organizational chart (http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/proceduraldocuments/mangoverview/ORGCHART_noLinks.pdf) for reference, the Guv's name should be under every resident's on the welcome sign. :sombrero:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on January 16, 2014, 04:41:40 PM
That thing looks cable-stayed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 17, 2014, 01:11:25 PM
Quote from: realjd on January 16, 2014, 03:41:34 PM
It appears that Florida is trying to one up South Carolina and build big fancy gateways at the state lines:
http://www.floridatoday.com/viewart/20140116/NEWS01/140116009/Welcome-Florida-not-welcoming-enough-

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcmsimg.floridatoday.com%2Fapps%2Fpbcsi.dll%2Fbilde%3FSite%3DA9%26amp%3BDate%3D20140116%26amp%3BCategory%3DNEWS01%26amp%3BArtNo%3D140116009%26amp%3BRef%3DAR%26amp%3BMaxW%3D300%26amp%3BBorder%3D0%26amp%3BWelcome-Florida-not-welcoming-enough-&hash=f23bb34fcb80d4aad9b13be592194fdc0b68d5a5)

Want to bet that a big rig will take one down within a week of one going up? lol.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 17, 2014, 01:21:05 PM
The big rig was only standing its ground.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 17, 2014, 01:25:38 PM
QuoteFlorida's push to attract 100 million visitors this year

that's just insulting our intelligence.  we know a hellhole when we see one.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 17, 2014, 04:57:49 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 17, 2014, 01:25:38 PM
QuoteFlorida's push to attract 100 million visitors this year

that's just insulting our intelligence.  we know a hellhole when we see one.

But if we stop fooling the visitors, we may have to start paying income tax!

Quote from: formulanone on January 16, 2014, 04:29:02 PM
Quote from: realjd on January 16, 2014, 03:41:34 PM
It appears that Florida is trying to one up South Carolina and build big fancy gateways at the state lines:
http://www.floridatoday.com/viewart/20140116/NEWS01/140116009/Welcome-Florida-not-welcoming-enough-

Perhaps too many folks were making illegal U-turns when they saw Rick Scott's name.

Using the FDOT organizational chart (http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/proceduraldocuments/mangoverview/ORGCHART_noLinks.pdf) for reference, the Guv's name should be under every resident's on the welcome sign. :sombrero:

Ah yes, our illustrious Governor Voldemort. One of the few politicians universally despised by both Republicans and Democrats.

They're probably only putting these in because his wife owns one of the contractors.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 17, 2014, 05:16:26 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 17, 2014, 01:25:38 PM
QuoteFlorida's push to attract 100 million visitors this year

that's just insulting our intelligence.  we know a hellhole when we see one.

60 million for Disney World, and 40 for million for Miami International Airport (http://www.miami-airport.com/facts.asp), then?

(Note, I'm making up the first figure. Disney doesn't release turnstile counts.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 17, 2014, 05:44:04 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 17, 2014, 05:16:26 PM
(Note, I'm making up the first figure. Disney doesn't release turnstile counts.)
These guys claim 48.5 million+: http://www.aecom.com/deployedfiles/Internet/Capabilities/Economics/_documents/2012%20Theme%20Index%20Combined_1-1_online.pdf
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 19, 2014, 07:26:09 PM
This is a little silly. If you follow signs from US 41 north to SR 82 east you end up going like this (http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=S+Cleveland+Ave%2FTamiami+Trail&daddr=Dr+Martin+Luther+King+Jr+Blvd&hl=en&sll=26.638866,-81.869302&sspn=0.015555,0.028346&geocode=FUtxlgEdELke-w%3BFdWBlgEdOQMf-w&gl=us&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=16&t=m&z=16). Signs for US 41 Business north point this way (http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=S+Cleveland+Ave%2FTamiami+Trail&daddr=26.6407909,-81.8711998+to:26.64243,-81.8603536+to:Edison+Bridge%2FTamiami+Trail&hl=en&ll=26.642127,-81.860375&spn=0.031109,0.056691&sll=26.642089,-81.860461&sspn=0.031109,0.056691&geocode=FUtxlgEdELke-w%3BFZaBlgEdob4e-ynfygL-40HbiDEuumPSZ9xbQg%3BFf6HlgEd_-ge-ykLqh_SDmrbiDGzlyq1b0h1fA%3BFY-rlgEdONQe-w&gl=us&mra=dpe&mrsp=1&sz=15&via=1,2&t=m&z=15) (except that the first one on the exit from US 41 has it over the wrong lane). So far so good.

But signage for SR 80 east takes you like this (http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=S+Cleveland+Ave%2FTamiami+Trail&daddr=26.6418847,-81.8716096+to:26.6412965,-81.8699683+to:Dr+Martin+Luther+King+Jr+Blvd&hl=en&sll=26.641091,-81.872435&sspn=0.031109,0.056691&geocode=FUtxlgEdELke-w%3BFdyFlgEdB70e-yltVpUJ5EHbiDEdk1KqO5C2_Q%3BFZCDlgEdcMMe-ykvw9LC40HbiDG94DIVMCo9_A%3BFR2ClgEdMuge-w&gl=us&mra=dme&mrsp=3&sz=15&via=1,2&t=m&z=15), and then you end up on SR 82 with no signs pointing left on Evans (as of 2012; it may have changed since then). I understand that the former route was given to the city, but at least sign the way to get around. And westbound is no better - signs still point straight across Fowler, but there's nothing after that. US 41 Business southbound seems to just disappear too.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 20, 2014, 08:20:07 AM
Ha. That is strange. It's like they relinquished the road, began resigning, and gave up. I could understand the city not wanting them to direct traffic down the former FL 80.

If you're driving east down FL 842/Broward Blvd to the route gap at US 1, good luck trying to find the continuation using only signage. You can't.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 20, 2014, 09:14:10 AM
Quote from: emory on January 20, 2014, 08:20:07 AM
If you're driving east down FL 842/Broward Blvd to the route gap at US 1, good luck trying to find the continuation using only signage. You can't.

Las Olas is odd about signage, it's only marked with FL 842 shields around A1A, but rarely elsewhere along the eastern split. Perhaps this is because Las Olas Blvd continues west of US 1, and the road's name is much more famous than its number by locals and tourists. There's also the Kinney Tunnel somewhat in the way...

I wouldn't say that jumps in route continuity are rare in Florida, it's just rare they're signed with "TO"s if they are anything other than US Routes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 20, 2014, 09:55:08 AM
Quote from: formulanone on January 20, 2014, 09:14:10 AM
Quote from: emory on January 20, 2014, 08:20:07 AM
If you're driving east down FL 842/Broward Blvd to the route gap at US 1, good luck trying to find the continuation using only signage. You can't.

Las Olas is odd about signage, it's only marked with FL 842 shields around A1A, but rarely elsewhere along the eastern split. Perhaps this is because Las Olas Blvd continues west of US 1, and the road's name is much more famous than its number by locals and tourists. There's also the Kinney Tunnel somewhat in the way...

I wouldn't say that jumps in route continuity are rare in Florida, it's just rare they're signed with "TO"s if they are anything other than US Routes.

I wonder if the city of Ft. Lauderdale didn't want FDOT to direct traffic down the former segment of FL 842 on Las Olas Blvd. It's a very pedestrian friendly area. Directing traffic down Broward and SE 17 Avenue wouldn't be wise either because even though FL 842 resumes at Las Olas and 17th before the bridge, motorists can't turn left off of 17th. Not to mention it sends you through small two-lane neighborhood roads.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 20, 2014, 12:01:00 PM
Quote from: emory on January 20, 2014, 08:20:07 AM
If you're driving east down FL 842/Broward Blvd to the route gap at US 1, good luck trying to find the continuation using only signage. You can't.
It's not quite SR 842 signage, but the Goog shows a small green sign pointing right on 15th for "Beach/A1A via Las Olas Blvd".

PS: Is that a faded red US 1 at the onramp from Las Olas westbound?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on January 20, 2014, 05:14:15 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 20, 2014, 12:01:00 PM
It's not quite SR 842 signage, but the Goog shows a small green sign pointing right on 15th for "Beach/A1A via Las Olas Blvd".

PS: Is that a faded red US 1 at the onramp from Las Olas westbound?

I think so, but I also think it was replaced recently
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 20, 2014, 09:36:06 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 20, 2014, 12:01:00 PM
Quote from: emory on January 20, 2014, 08:20:07 AM
If you're driving east down FL 842/Broward Blvd to the route gap at US 1, good luck trying to find the continuation using only signage. You can't.
It's not quite SR 842 signage, but the Goog shows a small green sign pointing right on 15th for "Beach/A1A via Las Olas Blvd".

PS: Is that a faded red US 1 at the onramp from Las Olas westbound?

Yeah that sign has been there since the 90s. It's something, but there needs to be either TO 842 or TO A1A/Beaches somewhere at the US 1/SR 842 interchange. I'd be all for FDOT turning over the rest of Las Olas Blvd to the locals, but they're so insistent on maintaining every road in Broward County that connects US 1 to FL A1A.

I hope the city didn't replace that red US 1 on Las Olas.

Quote from: formulanone on January 20, 2014, 09:14:10 AM
I wouldn't say that jumps in route continuity are rare in Florida, it's just rare they're signed with "TO"s if they are anything other than US Routes.

If a segment of a state road is relinquished and it's not a terminus, the city really should erect new trailblazer signs, or leave the signs up. FL 590 in Pinellas County had a piece turned over to Safety Harbor, so the city added "TO" and arrow signs onto the existing shields. Exceptions are understandable if the route is on a contiguous road that one can drive on without knowing they technically left the state route for a bit. SR 820/Hollywood Blvd is a good example of that.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 21, 2014, 12:27:28 PM
Palm Coast, Florida is one city in the Sunshine State you definitely do not want to run a stop light unless you are willing to pay a fine.  That city has photo enforcement at ALL signalized intersections!  Even the ramps from I-95 to Palm Coast Parkway have added cameras, that are not signal related as one part of the ramp has cameras mounted about 50 feet apart about one third up the ramp. 

I am not sure of the latter, but it gives you something to think about when you enter Palm Coast, FL as "Big Brother" is watching your every move.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 21, 2014, 06:11:12 PM
I left Florida in 2003. When I did there was an intersection in Bradenton that had two cameras on it. I returned to it years later to see there were at least eight.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 21, 2014, 07:59:14 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 21, 2014, 12:27:28 PM
I am not sure of the latter, but it gives you something to think about when you enter Palm Coast, FL as "Big Brother" is watching your every move.
Only if you have teleports to eliminate the distance between traffic lights. And your big brother has the intelligence of a dead platypus.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 21, 2014, 08:13:33 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 21, 2014, 07:59:14 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 21, 2014, 12:27:28 PM
I am not sure of the latter, but it gives you something to think about when you enter Palm Coast, FL as "Big Brother" is watching your every move.
Only if you have teleports to eliminate the distance between traffic lights. And your big brother has the intelligence of a dead platypus.

Unfortunately, it died with its flipper permanently on the "Send Violation" button.

On a happier note, a couple of old Keys Shields:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7311%2F12077743715_1fc3855bbc_o.jpg&hash=9dd557d6a1e4068d1330bbd04a21ea346f6526e4)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7419%2F12078383266_8e3aa85e9a_o.jpg&hash=aa3c2ce02e7d943da09f3cb342765a554cd3bcc5)

And a state-named I-10 shield in Chipley:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F01%2FFL77ns-Int10FL-Chipley.jpg&hash=9f27814e04c110bfde9464a86dbbd35255d54d0e)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on January 21, 2014, 09:25:30 PM
Nice find on the Keys 273! I think the only one I came across was a completely faded one.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 22, 2014, 12:25:43 AM
Well it makes sense to not include the keys. They are a separate nation (http://conch-republic.com) after all.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 22, 2014, 09:32:54 AM
Quote from: clef on January 20, 2014, 05:14:15 PM


I think so, but I also think it was replaced recently

somewhere I have a picture of it from 2010.  always rare to see colored shields on green signs.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 22, 2014, 07:55:53 PM
^ On that note, the red US 1 shields no longer hang on wire-suspended little green signs at Biscayne and the Port of Miami (FL 886). They were posted in this thread roughly 4 years ago.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mstgator on January 22, 2014, 08:39:07 PM
Quote from: emory on January 20, 2014, 09:36:06 PM
If a segment of a state road is relinquished and it's not a terminus, the city really should erect new trailblazer signs, or leave the signs up. FL 590 in Pinellas County had a piece turned over to Safety Harbor, so the city added "TO" and arrow signs onto the existing shields. Exceptions are understandable if the route is on a contiguous road that one can drive on without knowing they technically left the state route for a bit.

Unfortunately, there is no FL 590 signage remaining at the downtown intersection, so unaware drivers are likely miss the right turn from southbound Philippe Parkway onto westbound Main Street (and the left turn for eastbound to northbound).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 24, 2014, 03:28:52 AM
Quote from: mstgator on January 22, 2014, 08:39:07 PM
Quote from: emory on January 20, 2014, 09:36:06 PM
If a segment of a state road is relinquished and it's not a terminus, the city really should erect new trailblazer signs, or leave the signs up. FL 590 in Pinellas County had a piece turned over to Safety Harbor, so the city added "TO" and arrow signs onto the existing shields. Exceptions are understandable if the route is on a contiguous road that one can drive on without knowing they technically left the state route for a bit.

Unfortunately, there is no FL 590 signage remaining at the downtown intersection, so unaware drivers are likely miss the right turn from southbound Philippe Parkway onto westbound Main Street (and the left turn for eastbound to northbound).

I checked GSV and you're right. I only saw two trailblazers, one in each direction, both near where state maintenance ends. I should also clarify in that post I specifically mean when cities take over state roads. Counties often replace the state shields with blue pentagons and retain the route number.

Hey, new Straight Line Diagram interface: http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/straight-linesonlinegis/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 24, 2014, 01:07:33 PM
Quote from: emory on January 24, 2014, 03:28:52 AM
Hey, new Straight Line Diagram interface: http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/straight-linesonlinegis/
Yeah, it's pretty much the old one with an optional map above. But it opens the SLD in a new window and reuses that window, so having more than one open at a time requires copying the URL and opening separately.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on January 31, 2014, 07:53:50 AM
Long-awaited flyover finally set to open in Casselberry (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/seminole/os-casselberry-flyover-red-bug-20140130,0,5666004.story)

The two-lane flyover connecting south S.R. 436 (Semoran Boulevard) with eastbound Red Bug Lake Road is poised to open Saturday morning at 6 AM. Finishing touches on the project are anticipated to take up to six months. Construction began October 2011 on the $24.5 million project to alieviate congestion at the busy intersection, which sees an average of 65,000 vehicles daily.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 31, 2014, 05:00:22 PM
So the meeting went down, and it looks like the Brickell transfer is going to happen in Miami. If anyone's down there, keep your eyes peeled for signage changes. They'll have to get rid of all the Brickell Ave / US 1 overhead signs. I'm curious if they're going to sign it as US 1 Business.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 01, 2014, 01:15:27 AM
Quote from: emory on January 31, 2014, 05:00:22 PM
I'm curious if they're going to sign it as US 1 Business.

Highly unlikely since they didn't request approval from the AASHTO for a US 1 Business in that area.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on February 01, 2014, 01:51:38 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on February 01, 2014, 01:15:27 AM
Quote from: emory on January 31, 2014, 05:00:22 PM
I'm curious if they're going to sign it as US 1 Business.

Highly unlikely since they didn't request approval from the AASHTO for a US 1 Business in that area.

Do you have to if it's a locally maintained business route?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 01, 2014, 11:15:13 PM
Quote from: emory on February 01, 2014, 01:51:38 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on February 01, 2014, 01:15:27 AM
Quote from: emory on January 31, 2014, 05:00:22 PM
I'm curious if they're going to sign it as US 1 Business.

Highly unlikely since they didn't request approval from the AASHTO for a US 1 Business in that area.

Do you have to if it's a locally maintained business route?

It should since it's using the US shield.  But there are some places (not in Florida) that have some cities just sign routes this way.

But I don't think Miami would be one of them.  They want to get the traffic off that road by removing US-1 from it.  I don't think they would be willing to put up Business US-1 shields after taking control of it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on February 02, 2014, 09:53:53 PM
Good point. Looks like it's destined to be simply Brickell Avenue. Besides, I see a lot of business US routes in Florida are still under state maintenance. I would think FDOT would want to get rid of those.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 02, 2014, 10:14:32 PM
Quote from: emory on February 02, 2014, 09:53:53 PM
Besides, I see a lot of business US routes in Florida are still under state maintenance. I would think FDOT would want to get rid of those.
AFAIK all of them are state maintained except US 1 Business north of SR 16.

Maybe Brickell will become U.S. Bike Route 1, though they'll probably end up following the M-Path.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 06, 2014, 03:23:37 AM
What non-freeways have ordinary mileposts? I've seen them on:
*Overseas Highway, measured from the end in Key West (duh)
*Tamiami Trail east of Naples, measured from the end at US 1
*US 27 south of South Bay, measured from the end at US 1
*SR 80 west of West Palm, measured from SR 15 (not the end)
*SR 85 south of Crestview, measured from the end at US 98
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on February 06, 2014, 09:52:37 AM
Quote from: NE2 on February 06, 2014, 03:23:37 AM
What non-freeways have ordinary mileposts? I've seen them on:
*Overseas Highway, measured from the end in Key West (duh)
*Tamiami Trail east of Naples, measured from the end at US 1
*US 27 south of South Bay, measured from the end at US 1
*SR 80 west of West Palm, measured from SR 15 (not the end)
*SR 85 south of Crestview, measured from the end at US 98

Do SR-60 and SR-70 have mile markers between the east and west coast?

Also:
* SR-60 Courtney Campbell Causeway

Do any other non-freeway bridges have mile markers?

Oh, don't forget the giant purple mile markers along US-192 through Kissimmee :)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 06, 2014, 10:03:29 AM
Quote from: realjd on February 06, 2014, 09:52:37 AM
Do SR-60 and SR-70 have mile markers between the east and west coast?
SR 60 doesn't, unless there are some between Lake Wales and Yeehaw. (And yes, I had forgotten about the Campbell Causeway.)

The Rickenbacker Causeway (SR/CR 913) also has them, measured from the state park at the south end of Key Biscayne.

The US 192 ones are bogus, as they don't actually measure miles.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on February 06, 2014, 05:09:42 PM
Quote from: NE2 on February 06, 2014, 03:23:37 AM
What non-freeways have ordinary mileposts?
Miami-Dade has been adding them to FL 997/Krome Ave. 

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg36%2Fjcm9572%2Fth_IMG_0988_zpsb266b1f7.jpg&hash=8bf53b05078d450877fbec21803a31440cec8b39)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on February 06, 2014, 06:18:08 PM
How recent is that? I've only seen shields on the Turnpike and I-75 mile markers.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 07, 2014, 01:06:25 AM
Quote from: formulanone on February 06, 2014, 06:18:08 PM
How recent is that? I've only seen shields on the Turnpike and I-75 mile markers.
Oh, they've been on the Suncoast Parkway too.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 07, 2014, 02:09:55 AM
The FDOT Video Log (http://www3.dot.state.fl.us/videolog/default.asp) now has full-size images. Example:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww3.dot.state.fl.us%2Fvideologsource2%2F13687003%2FA87021000E%2FI_00001.jpg&hash=7b6c2fdf24073dce87fb86a282337c34e9a4f913)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on February 07, 2014, 08:08:53 AM
Oh yeah, the 874 and 878, forgot about the MDX duo with blue monochrome markers.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on February 08, 2014, 04:12:56 PM
Quote from: NE2 on February 06, 2014, 10:03:29 AM
The US 192 ones are bogus, as they don't actually measure miles.

It's rare that I venture west Narcoossee on 192. I knew they were bogus but I'm trying to remember if they're labeled "mile marker" or just "marker".
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on February 09, 2014, 08:07:32 AM
Quote from: formulanone on February 06, 2014, 06:18:08 PM
How recent is that? I've only seen shields on the Turnpike and I-75 mile markers.
I took that photo on April 6, 2013.

The MMs on US 27 in Miami-Dade are similar, but blue:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg36%2Fjcm9572%2Fth_IMG_0987_zps86512c70.jpg&hash=fbbfaffb15295a6069aceba2b485ef50c9a9d7ca)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on February 11, 2014, 12:15:43 AM
Pinellas County is seeking ownership of FL 699 from FDOT, citing heavy pedestrian activity on the beach road and a high number of motorist/bicyclist collisions as reasons to remove it from state control.

http://www.tbnweekly.com/pinellas_county/content_articles/092613_pco-01.txt
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 14, 2014, 09:53:35 PM
The Alexander Street extension north of Plant City is now open, and feeds directly into SR 39. Anyone know how it's signed? SR 39A? CR 39A? SR 39 Truck?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on February 15, 2014, 08:11:50 AM
Quote from: NE2 on February 14, 2014, 09:53:35 PM
The Alexander Street extension north of Plant City is now open, and feeds directly into SR 39. Anyone know how it's signed? SR 39A? CR 39A? SR 39 Truck?
I checked it out last Sunday morning on my way to Orlando and its signed as SR 39 in both directions north of Interstate 4. Most signage along I-4 east and west have also been changed reflecting the new alignment. One sign on I-4 west approaching Paul Buchman Highway does show the former SR 39 as being CR 39 though, so it looks like there will be state-maintained and county-maintained 39's. IMO that seems redundant, but I know how FDOT and some county DOTs work with their route numbering. I'm fine with it being handed over to the county, but perhaps it should have been CR 39A instead??

I also drove the old alignment and there is still a SR 39 reassurance shield erected south of Sam Allen Road and assemblies at the I-4 interchange. As I got back onto I-4 eastbound I could see another SR 39 south shield in the distance, so I am curious as to how SR 39 is signed south of the interstate and through Plant City.

I would have had some photos but I did not take the camera with me on that trip...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on February 15, 2014, 02:13:49 PM
Quote from: flaroads on February 15, 2014, 08:11:50 AM
Quote from: NE2 on February 14, 2014, 09:53:35 PM
The Alexander Street extension north of Plant City is now open, and feeds directly into SR 39. Anyone know how it's signed? SR 39A? CR 39A? SR 39 Truck?
I checked it out last Sunday morning on my way to Orlando and its signed as SR 39 in both directions north of Interstate 4. Most signage along I-4 east and west have also been changed reflecting the new alignment. One sign on I-4 west approaching Paul Buchman Highway does show the former SR 39 as being CR 39 though, so it looks like there will be state-maintained and county-maintained 39's. IMO that seems redundant, but I know how FDOT and some county DOTs work with their route numbering. I'm fine with it being handed over to the county, but perhaps it should have been CR 39A instead??

I also drove the old alignment and there is still a SR 39 reassurance shield erected south of Sam Allen Road and assemblies at the I-4 interchange. As I got back onto I-4 eastbound I could see another SR 39 south shield in the distance, so I am curious as to how SR 39 is signed south of the interstate and through Plant City.

I would have had some photos but I did not take the camera with me on that trip...

If you or anyone makes it back, there is an interesting Temp Truck SR 39 along Alabama and Wheeler Street to the south of US 92.

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.011307,-82.12357,3a,75y,339.97h,71.4t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1siRbKy9EXwNnZYWcSFP3IgA!2e0

And there's this little fun sign too!
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.011353,-82.123611,3a,75y,162.56h,73.63t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sHJg6YeiO9UoFFhxhN83s1Q!2e0
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 15, 2014, 02:30:14 PM
I've got to find an excuse to go to that new segment of FL Truck 39.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on February 16, 2014, 08:42:13 AM
Quote from: florida on February 15, 2014, 02:13:49 PM
If you or anyone makes it back, there is an interesting Temp Truck SR 39 along Alabama and Wheeler Street to the south of US 92.

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.011307,-82.12357,3a,75y,339.97h,71.4t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1siRbKy9EXwNnZYWcSFP3IgA!2e0

And there's this little fun sign too!
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.011353,-82.123611,3a,75y,162.56h,73.63t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sHJg6YeiO9UoFFhxhN83s1Q!2e0

The other temp assembly, photo from Veterans Day last year:

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-039_truck_temp_plant_city.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-039_truck_temp_plant_city.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on February 16, 2014, 09:32:14 AM
Is the SR 39A extension open yet?  Also, was Alexander Street (always signed as a TRUCK ROUTE) always part of the FL State Road System before it got its "A" designation?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on February 16, 2014, 10:15:40 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 16, 2014, 09:32:14 AM
Is the SR 39A extension open yet?  Also, was Alexander Street (always signed as a TRUCK ROUTE) always part of the FL State Road System before it got its "A" designation?

Yes, it opened in December and I drove it last weekend. I made a post about it yesterday morning (a few posts up from this one)  :D
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on February 16, 2014, 10:34:56 AM
Yes, I checked it out just now.  I see that it will be SR 39 mainline and the old is CR 39, just like in Zephyrhills wi the redundant SR 54 and CR 54.  Oh, yes, the cannot forget the redundant Hwy A1A in St. Augustine Beach with the bypass as mainline SR A1A and the beach alignment as CR A1A. 

Interestingly, even though it takes through traffic out of downtown, the old alignment should be SR 39A just like the deal with SR 50 in Brooksville.

I will be going to the FL Strawberry Festival in a few weeks, so I can check it out then.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mstgator on February 17, 2014, 08:24:48 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 16, 2014, 10:34:56 AMI see that it will be SR 39 mainline and the old is CR 39, just like in Zephyrhills wi the redundant SR 54 and CR 54.

That one is sort of a different case, as SR 54 completely ceased to exist between the western end of SR 56 and the northern end of SR 581 when that stretch was turned over to the county (the newer "parallel" alignment is signed as 56 and 581, not 54).

Somewhat big announcement for Pinellas County today:

http://tbo.com/pinellas-county/pinellas-expressway-construction-accelerated-20140217/

Construction of the new SR 690 expressway along 118th Avenue (connecting US 19 and I-275) and the new alignment of SR 686/Roosevelt Blvd (bypassing the Ulmerton Road mess) could begin as soon as 2017, with completion by 2022.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 17, 2014, 11:58:50 PM
Quote from: mstgator on February 17, 2014, 08:24:48 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 16, 2014, 10:34:56 AMI see that it will be SR 39 mainline and the old is CR 39, just like in Zephyrhills wi the redundant SR 54 and CR 54.

That one is sort of a different case, as SR 54 completely ceased to exist between the western end of SR 56 and the northern end of SR 581 when that stretch was turned over to the county (the newer "parallel" alignment is signed as 56 and 581, not 54).

He means farther east, where CR 54 bypasses Zephyrhills and SR 54 goes through.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on February 18, 2014, 03:52:13 PM
Quote from: mstgator on February 17, 2014, 08:24:48 PM
Construction of the new SR 690 expressway along 118th Avenue (connecting US 19 and I-275) and the new alignment of SR 686/Roosevelt Blvd (bypassing the Ulmerton Road mess) could begin as soon as 2017, with completion by 2022.

The article says its all going to be tolled. Is that a misprint? That surface stretch of 118th street isn't all that long.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on February 18, 2014, 04:57:37 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on February 18, 2014, 03:52:13 PM
Quote from: mstgator on February 17, 2014, 08:24:48 PM
Construction of the new SR 690 expressway along 118th Avenue (connecting US 19 and I-275) and the new alignment of SR 686/Roosevelt Blvd (bypassing the Ulmerton Road mess) could begin as soon as 2017, with completion by 2022.

The article says its all going to be tolled. Is that a misprint? That surface stretch of 118th street isn't all that long.

Neither is the I-4/Selmon Expressway connector.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on February 18, 2014, 05:55:35 PM
Quote from: emory on February 18, 2014, 04:57:37 PM
Neither is the I-4/Selmon Expressway connector.

The Selmon is a toll road so it makes sense.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mstgator on February 18, 2014, 07:16:36 PM
Quote from: NE2 on February 17, 2014, 11:58:50 PM
Quote from: mstgator on February 17, 2014, 08:24:48 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 16, 2014, 10:34:56 AMI see that it will be SR 39 mainline and the old is CR 39, just like in Zephyrhills wi the redundant SR 54 and CR 54.

That one is sort of a different case, as SR 54 completely ceased to exist between the western end of SR 56 and the northern end of SR 581 when that stretch was turned over to the county (the newer "parallel" alignment is signed as 56 and 581, not 54).

He means farther east, where CR 54 bypasses Zephyrhills and SR 54 goes through.

Ah, forgot about that.  Can't wait to see what they'll do whenever SR 54 is extended to the bypass; I suppose they'll reverse the redundancy with CR 54 moved to the current SR 54 alignment.

Quote from: NJRoadfan on February 18, 2014, 03:52:13 PM
Quote from: mstgator on February 17, 2014, 08:24:48 PM
Construction of the new SR 690 expressway along 118th Avenue (connecting US 19 and I-275) and the new alignment of SR 686/Roosevelt Blvd (bypassing the Ulmerton Road mess) could begin as soon as 2017, with completion by 2022.

The article says its all going to be tolled. Is that a misprint? That surface stretch of 118th street isn't all that long.

Yes, both elevated sections are to be tolled.  The existing surface roads will remain free.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on February 18, 2014, 08:00:14 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on February 18, 2014, 05:55:35 PM
Quote from: emory on February 18, 2014, 04:57:37 PM
Neither is the I-4/Selmon Expressway connector.

The Selmon is a toll road so it makes sense.

This is Florida. If a new freeway is announced and it's not tolled, I'm surprised.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 18, 2014, 08:07:34 PM
Quote from: emory on February 18, 2014, 08:00:14 PM
This is Florida. If a new freeway is announced and it's not tolled, I'm surprised.
SR 9B? Port of Miami Tunnel? Starke Bypass (probably)? Hell, US 19?

Texas is the state that tolls every fucen thing.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on February 18, 2014, 11:58:35 PM
9B is a future interstate and I don't expect FDOT to toll those. Those other three are new to me, but new tolled freeways don't surprise me. The Palmetto Expressway being an untolled non-interstate in Miami-Dade feels so strange. Also, where is US 19 a freeway?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 19, 2014, 01:39:34 AM
Quote from: emory on February 18, 2014, 11:58:35 PM
Also, where is US 19 a freeway?
A whole bunch in Pinellas.
http://www.myus19.com/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on February 19, 2014, 06:34:43 AM
Quote from: emory on February 18, 2014, 11:58:35 PM
9B is a future interstate and I don't expect FDOT to toll those. Those other three are new to me, but new tolled freeways don't surprise me. The Palmetto Expressway being an untolled non-interstate in Miami-Dade feels so strange. Also, where is US 19 a freeway?
HOT lanes are proposed for FL 826, the Palmetto Expressway.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on February 19, 2014, 07:52:21 AM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on February 19, 2014, 06:34:43 AM
Quote from: emory on February 18, 2014, 11:58:35 PM
9B is a future interstate and I don't expect FDOT to toll those. Those other three are new to me, but new tolled freeways don't surprise me. The Palmetto Expressway being an untolled non-interstate in Miami-Dade feels so strange. Also, where is US 19 a freeway?
HOT lanes are proposed for FL 826, the Palmetto Expressway.

Well those exist on interstates too, but drivers have the option not to use those.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on February 19, 2014, 08:38:56 AM
Bay News 9 also ran a piece on the new "Gateway Express" toll lanes connecting I-275 with US 19 and PIE Airport. The stories were the first I heard that these would be tolled facilities. They will be the first toll roads for Pinellas County (not including either the Skyway or Pinellas Bayway toll bridges).

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2014/2/17/gov_scott_gateway_ex.html

Found another article which shows the extension to PIE Airport as SR 686.

http://www.saintpetersblog.com/game-changer-fdot-plans-elevated-toll-road-to-connect-i-275-and-u-s-19

The SR 690 lanes will be on a viaduct above the CR 296/118th Avenue North carriageways, very Texas like.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 22, 2014, 03:01:04 PM
http://maps.ocpafl.org/webmap/ has new 2014 aerials. New construction visible includes:
*first two ramps of the FLTP/SR 417 interchange
*OIA southern entrance
*SR 434 extension to SR 423
*Wekiva Parkway at CR 435
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on February 25, 2014, 06:00:49 AM
http://plantcityobserver.com/2014/01/30/city-unveils-first-glimpse-redesigned-collins-street/

This article says that all of old SR 39 from Alexander Street to Knights-Griffin Road is being transferred to Plant City, but it doesn't look like the bypass goes that far. Unless they're planning to finish it and I'm just not aware.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on February 26, 2014, 07:54:07 PM
Construction Begins on Gandy Boulevard in Pinellas County (http://www.tbnweekly.com/pinellas_county/content_articles/022414_pco-03.txt)

QuoteFDOT is set to begin construction on an $83 million project to improve east/west traffic flow in Pinellas County along Gandy Boulevard from 4th Street to I-275. The existing roadway will be transformed to an elevated six-lane facility from I-275 to MLK Jr. Street and four lanes from MLK Jr St. to east of 4th Street. Overpasses will be built at 94th Avenue, MLK Jr. Street, Roosevelt Boulevard, and 4th Street. A frontage road system will parallel the mainline roadway.

QuoteFDOT will host a construction open house this Summer 2014 to present more information about the project to the public. The project is slated for completion in 2017.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 26, 2014, 08:54:30 PM
Seems like a freeway along Roosevelt would make more sense, tying into the planned SR 690.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on February 28, 2014, 06:39:06 AM
OOCEA is finally getting rid of the terrible airport toll plaza on the 528. It's the last major non-ORT plaza in Orlando and a traffic headache. They'll be collecting their toll at the FDOT plaza just down the road instead.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/beachline-toll-change-near-airport-long-overdue-ex/ndCy7/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 28, 2014, 11:28:36 AM
Quote from: realjd on February 28, 2014, 06:39:06 AM
OOCEA is finally getting rid of the terrible airport toll plaza on the 528. It's the last major non-ORT plaza in Orlando and a traffic headache. They'll be collecting their toll at the FDOT plaza just down the road instead.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/beachline-toll-change-near-airport-long-overdue-ex/ndCy7/

Cool, Oklahoma-style rebates for those getting on westbound at Boggy Creek.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on February 28, 2014, 04:50:43 PM
Quote from: NE2 on February 28, 2014, 11:28:36 AM
Quote from: realjd on February 28, 2014, 06:39:06 AM
OOCEA is finally getting rid of the terrible airport toll plaza on the 528. It's the last major non-ORT plaza in Orlando and a traffic headache. They'll be collecting their toll at the FDOT plaza just down the road instead.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/beachline-toll-change-near-airport-long-overdue-ex/ndCy7/

Cool, Oklahoma-style rebates for those getting on westbound at Boggy Creek.

I completely missed that. I'm surprised they're actually doing that and not just pocketing the extra cash.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on February 28, 2014, 10:46:20 PM
What current intersection is this?
I think both of these are the same intersection.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gribblenation.com%2Fflpics%2Fcolor%2Ff62.jpg&hash=5b80ab6b7778fe6b4cf66c492955eb7652a00b1e)

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Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 28, 2014, 10:50:48 PM
The intersection of SR 19 and CR Old 441. (And SR 500A.)

Those old 441 shields are cool.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on February 28, 2014, 11:11:04 PM
Ok, the railroad has been removed. No wonder I couldn't figure out where the heck that was.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Tavares,+FL/@28.8069787,-81.7352687,19z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x88dd620ef900b1c5:0xe0c5782fe1cb5695 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Tavares,+FL/@28.8069787,-81.7352687,19z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x88dd620ef900b1c5:0xe0c5782fe1cb5695)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on March 02, 2014, 01:39:19 AM
Interesting how they chose to go with those unique OLD 441 designs and not the brown Historic signs that are used around the country.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 02, 2014, 10:26:15 AM
Seems that any "bannered" routes were inversely-colored, when compared to the colors of the original route. Although, I don't think I'd ever seen "OLD" Kodachrome shields before (just ALT and BUSINESS). Mount Dora/Tavares has had the county pentagons for that route since the mid-1990s.

Heh, it wasn't until I'd joined the forum that I'd realized the brown color was the original...most of them had faded to a burgundy tint when I was first driving about.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Stephane Dumas on March 02, 2014, 06:15:38 PM
The once proposed extension of FL Tpk/FL-91 northwest of I-75 is revived under the name of Nature Coast Parkway
http://www.floridasturnpike.com/downloads/Future%20Projects/Nature%20Coast%20Parkway%20ver%2012-10-13.pdf
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 02, 2014, 06:26:29 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on March 02, 2014, 06:15:38 PM
The once proposed extension of FL Tpk/FL-91 northwest of I-75 is revived under the name of Nature Coast Parkway
http://www.floridasturnpike.com/downloads/Future%20Projects/Nature%20Coast%20Parkway%20ver%2012-10-13.pdf
The section south of CR 484 is clearly wasteful compared to widening I-75 and beginning it at I-75 north of CR 484. The latter option would also provide a route between Alaenlande State Forest and Ocala.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 02, 2014, 08:50:36 PM
SR 39 is now open in Plant City.  However south of I-4 its still signed as SR 39A and not SR 39.  The north end of the new bypass, has it defaulting onto the original SR 39 (now CR 39) so its continuous.  The old alignment is interrupted at the place where the old and new meet just south of Knights- Griffin Road while the Alexander Street Extension is free flowing into Buchman Highway.

I drove it today and it was nice.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on March 03, 2014, 12:59:54 AM
I'm surprised the state didn't just keep that small segment of old SR 39 so it would link the two, now broken, segments.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on March 03, 2014, 03:14:32 AM
I just saw that SR 594 is signed for one whole block including an 'End East SR 594' setup. Plus, there is an 'End South SR 687' setup in the same area.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on March 03, 2014, 04:10:11 AM
Has anyone driven on SR 582 / Tarpon Ave in Tarpon Springs lately? Its listing on FDOT's state road maps has disappeared and there's no more straight line diagram for it, so I was wondering if it was still on the SHS.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 03, 2014, 05:24:36 AM
Quote from: emory on March 03, 2014, 04:10:11 AM
Has anyone driven on SR 582 / Tarpon Ave in Tarpon Springs lately? Its listing on FDOT's state road maps has disappeared and there's no more straight line diagram for it, so I was wondering if it was still on the SHS.
http://ctsfl.us/CityClerk/Minutes2011/06212011RS%20.pdf p. 10
http://suncoastnews.com/news/news/2011/jun/23/PINEWSO8-state-gives-city-control-of-tarpon-avenue-ar-239034/
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Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on March 03, 2014, 07:21:27 AM
Cool. GSV's images of that street haven't been updated since 2011.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 03, 2014, 10:56:00 AM
WLRN Public Radio: Trying To Free Up 95 Express, FDOT Prices 'Lexus Lanes' At Lamborghini Rates (http://wlrn.org/post/trying-free-95-express-fdot-prices-lexus-lanes-lamborghini-rates)

Quote"Lexus lanes"  may have been too cheap for Miami. This past Saturday morning, South Florida drivers traded in for "Lamborghini lanes."

QuoteThe maximum possible toll on the 95 Express lanes increased from $7.00 to $10.50 – the mininum has doubled to 50 cents – in response to record numbers of motorists forking over what was thought to be a discouragingly high amount of money.

Quote"That day you paid seven bucks, we were trying to get you not to go there,"  said Rory Santana, who oversees Miami-Dade County's stretch of 95 Express for the Florida Department of Transportation.

QuoteIndeed, the goal of the 95 Express' dynamic tolling increase is simple: keep the fast lanes fast by limiting the number of motorists. That glowing toll amount has nothing to do with how good or how bad traffic is in the non-express lanes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 03, 2014, 05:27:35 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 03, 2014, 10:56:00 AM
WLRN Public Radio: Trying To Free Up 95 Express, FDOT Prices 'Lexus Lanes' At Lamborghini Rates (http://wlrn.org/post/trying-free-95-express-fdot-prices-lexus-lanes-lamborghini-rates)

Quote"Lexus lanes" may have been too cheap for Miami. This past Saturday morning, South Florida drivers traded in for "Lamborghini lanes."

QuoteThe maximum possible toll on the 95 Express lanes increased from $7.00 to $10.50 — the mininum has doubled to 50 cents — in response to record numbers of motorists forking over what was thought to be a discouragingly high amount of money.

Most I've seen was $4.50...most mid-mornings I've used them (7:00-8:00 am or so) they're in the threes. Even at around $3.00, you start to wonder if you'd like to endure the parking lot on the right of the tolled lanes. There aren't that many users, compared to the other lanes at that price point, from my experience. The Express stretch doesn't permit any weaving - from Golden Glades to I-195/FL 112 there's no exiting it; so drivers taking some of the other exits in between aren't going to use it.

Under a dollar, it's usually quite easy-going; like this afternoon. No need to pay the 75 cents.

But ten bucks for twelve miles? They can kiss my ass, at that point.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on March 03, 2014, 07:56:52 PM
I always pay, mainly because I get to avoid the Golden Glades interchange and also because there's no speed enforcement in the express lanes. Even when the toll is 25c and I know the main lanes are clear, it's worth the quarter IMO.

Highest I've seen was $5.50.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 03, 2014, 08:35:28 PM
I don't get the business model...charge more because too many drivers are already using (and paying) it? Somehow, they want less folks using it? While I get the idea of supply-and-demand, it's based on how dense the traffic is in the four lanes to the right...if it's not moving at all, or you foresee that it's not worth the hassle of taking 30-40 minutes instead of 8-10, what does FDOT want from it?

Use the money to build reversible lanes, if they're so adamant about the pricing model. Of course, that brings about another five years of demolition, construction, constricted traffic flow, and toll revenues...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on March 04, 2014, 07:37:24 AM
Quote from: formulanone on March 03, 2014, 08:35:28 PM
I don't get the business model...charge more because too many drivers are already using (and paying) it? Somehow, they want less folks using it? While I get the idea of supply-and-demand, it's based on how dense the traffic is in the four lanes to the right...if it's not moving at all, or you foresee that it's not worth the hassle of taking 30-40 minutes instead of 8-10, what does FDOT want from it?

Use the money to build reversible lanes, if they're so adamant about the pricing model. Of course, that brings about another five years of demolition, construction, constricted traffic flow, and toll revenues...

It's not a "business model" in the sense that they're looking to turn a profit. They're using the tolls to regulate demand on the express lanes so they don't get over capacity. Prices aren't directly set based on traffic in the other four lanes; rather, they're set based on demand for the toll lanes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 04, 2014, 08:09:36 AM
Quote from: realjd on March 04, 2014, 07:37:24 AM
Quote from: formulanone on March 03, 2014, 08:35:28 PM
I don't get the business model...charge more because too many drivers are already using (and paying) it? Somehow, they want less folks using it? While I get the idea of supply-and-demand, it's based on how dense the traffic is in the four lanes to the right...if it's not moving at all, or you foresee that it's not worth the hassle of taking 30-40 minutes instead of 8-10, what does FDOT want from it?

Use the money to build reversible lanes, if they're so adamant about the pricing model. Of course, that brings about another five years of demolition, construction, constricted traffic flow, and toll revenues...

It's not a "business model" in the sense that they're looking to turn a profit. They're using the tolls to regulate demand on the express lanes so they don't get over capacity. Prices aren't directly set based on traffic in the other four lanes; rather, they're set based on demand for the toll lanes.

Though in some other HOV/Toll lane operations (I-15 (Escondido Freeway) in San Diego County, Calif. in particular), the toll rates in the managed lane are set (at least in part) by traffic volumes in the adjacent "free" lanes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on March 05, 2014, 08:47:57 PM
New assembly... oops

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-DFi1oAlPd_E/UxfTOeEf3tI/AAAAAAAAQFY/PH4gwqMqEBY/w654-h866-no/IMG_20140305_084625.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 05, 2014, 09:03:58 PM
^ That's worse than "Flordia", in my opinion.

So where's that goof...Somewhere along State Road 7? The one way/do not enter signs are throwing me off.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 05, 2014, 09:15:13 PM
Nice, found it.
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=26.117996,-80.330226&spn=0.007851,0.014173&gl=us&t=k&z=17&layer=c&cbll=26.117996,-80.330226&panoid=uappT8KIXi3G440NI9VziA&cbp=12,210.08,,0,3.43
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on March 05, 2014, 10:48:09 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 05, 2014, 09:15:13 PM
Nice, found it.
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=26.117996,-80.330226&spn=0.007851,0.014173&gl=us&t=k&z=17&layer=c&cbll=26.117996,-80.330226&panoid=uappT8KIXi3G440NI9VziA&cbp=12,210.08,,0,3.43

Yes, that's the one. There are lots of new assemblies around the 595 project area. New stop sign/right turn ass'y by the six-keys 84 but it's still there.

Nexus 5

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 06, 2014, 08:41:31 AM
Quote from: clef on March 05, 2014, 10:48:09 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 05, 2014, 09:15:13 PM
Nice, found it.
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=26.117996,-80.330226&spn=0.007851,0.014173&gl=us&t=k&z=17&layer=c&cbll=26.117996,-80.330226&panoid=uappT8KIXi3G440NI9VziA&cbp=12,210.08,,0,3.43

Yes, that's the one. There are lots of new assemblies around the 595 project area. New stop sign/right turn ass'y by the six-keys 84 but it's still there.

Nexus 5

Just photographed the six-keys FL 84 shield on Tuesday. The missing arrow at the bottom was amended with a bus stop sign...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bh5sTswCYAA7sPQ.jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bh5sTswCYAA7sPQ.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on March 06, 2014, 12:03:07 PM
Quote from: Alex on March 06, 2014, 08:41:31 AM
Quote from: clef on March 05, 2014, 10:48:09 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 05, 2014, 09:15:13 PM
Nice, found it.
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=26.117996,-80.330226&spn=0.007851,0.014173&gl=us&t=k&z=17&layer=c&cbll=26.117996,-80.330226&panoid=uappT8KIXi3G440NI9VziA&cbp=12,210.08,,0,3.43

Yes, that's the one. There are lots of new assemblies around the 595 project area. New stop sign/right turn ass'y by the six-keys 84 but it's still there.

Nexus 5

Just photographed the six-keys FL 84 shield on Tuesday. The missing arrow at the bottom was amended with a bus stop sign...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bh5sTswCYAA7sPQ.jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bh5sTswCYAA7sPQ.jpg)

The bus stop sign has been there. There's another one of those old orange BCt signs by the red US-1s recently found
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on March 06, 2014, 10:13:29 PM
Found a Blue US 90 alongside a very old CR sign that I haven't seen a pic of:

https://www.google.com/maps?q=Gainesville,+FL&ll=30.250967,-82.271547&spn=0.000037,0.024912&t=h&hnear=Gainesville,+Alachua+County,+Florida&z=16&layer=c&cbll=30.251054,-82.271595&panoid=uk26Ney6ubRHCggJOAZdVQ&cbp=12,206.51,,1,0 (https://www.google.com/maps?q=Gainesville,+FL&ll=30.250967,-82.271547&spn=0.000037,0.024912&t=h&hnear=Gainesville,+Alachua+County,+Florida&z=16&layer=c&cbll=30.251054,-82.271595&panoid=uk26Ney6ubRHCggJOAZdVQ&cbp=12,206.51,,1,0)

And another one:
https://www.google.com/maps?q=Gainesville,+FL&ll=30.207213,-82.410078&spn=0.000037,0.024912&t=h&hnear=Gainesville,+Alachua+County,+Florida&z=16&layer=c&cbll=30.207298,-82.410081&panoid=-XUy956M-_XCI5R3KpJrCg&cbp=12,221.62,,1,0 (https://www.google.com/maps?q=Gainesville,+FL&ll=30.207213,-82.410078&spn=0.000037,0.024912&t=h&hnear=Gainesville,+Alachua+County,+Florida&z=16&layer=c&cbll=30.207298,-82.410081&panoid=-XUy956M-_XCI5R3KpJrCg&cbp=12,221.62,,1,0)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 07, 2014, 10:32:31 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on March 06, 2014, 10:13:29 PM
Found a Blue US 90 alongside a very old CR sign that I haven't seen a pic of:

https://www.google.com/maps?q=Gainesville,+FL&ll=30.250967,-82.271547&spn=0.000037,0.024912&t=h&hnear=Gainesville,+Alachua+County,+Florida&z=16&layer=c&cbll=30.251054,-82.271595&panoid=uk26Ney6ubRHCggJOAZdVQ&cbp=12,206.51,,1,0 (https://www.google.com/maps?q=Gainesville,+FL&ll=30.250967,-82.271547&spn=0.000037,0.024912&t=h&hnear=Gainesville,+Alachua+County,+Florida&z=16&layer=c&cbll=30.251054,-82.271595&panoid=uk26Ney6ubRHCggJOAZdVQ&cbp=12,206.51,,1,0)

And another one:
https://www.google.com/maps?q=Gainesville,+FL&ll=30.207213,-82.410078&spn=0.000037,0.024912&t=h&hnear=Gainesville,+Alachua+County,+Florida&z=16&layer=c&cbll=30.207298,-82.410081&panoid=-XUy956M-_XCI5R3KpJrCg&cbp=12,221.62,,1,0 (https://www.google.com/maps?q=Gainesville,+FL&ll=30.207213,-82.410078&spn=0.000037,0.024912&t=h&hnear=Gainesville,+Alachua+County,+Florida&z=16&layer=c&cbll=30.207298,-82.410081&panoid=-XUy956M-_XCI5R3KpJrCg&cbp=12,221.62,,1,0)

January 18, 2010 photos:

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/blue_us-090_sanderson_01.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/blue_us-090_sanderson_01.jpg)

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/blue_us-090_sanderson_02.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/blue_us-090_sanderson_02.jpg)

Did you find this one too?

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/blue_us-090_sanderson_03.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/blue_us-090_sanderson_03.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 07, 2014, 10:38:20 AM
I need another Panhandle trip...Not enough jobs send me there.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 07, 2014, 04:06:19 PM
Quote from: formulanone on March 07, 2014, 10:38:20 AM
I need another Panhandle trip...Not enough jobs send me there.

The best counties in the Panhandle for old signage are Calhoun, Jackson, Holmes, Washington, the Panama City area of Bay, Wakulla, and Franklin. Forget about Escambia and Santa Rosa (save for a shield in each). Walton is mostly odd-ball signage the county came up with. Okaloosa is all modern outside of Laurel Hill and one shield at Shalimar.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on March 07, 2014, 04:56:09 PM
Quote from: clef on March 05, 2014, 08:47:57 PM
New assembly... oops

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-DFi1oAlPd_E/UxfTOeEf3tI/AAAAAAAAQFY/PH4gwqMqEBY/w654-h866-no/IMG_20140305_084625.jpg)
LOTS of strange assemblies in the Interstate 595 area with the new HOT lanes being built these days.

By the way, have you seen the HUGE (and I mean HUGE) sign gantries on the Florida's Turnpike for the soon to be finished HOT lanes between Exits 58 (Sunrise Blvd.) and 49 (Hollywood Blvd./Pines Blvd)?  The triangular gantries are twice the height of current and substantial gantries already in existence.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 08, 2014, 08:49:01 PM

At least westbound, new signs (0:39, 1:06) for I-4 exit 1 omit SR 585. Instead they read:
Cruise Ships
----
22nd St.
21st St.
----
NO TRUCKS
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on March 09, 2014, 04:11:42 AM
I assume they're resigning those exits in preparation to remove FL 585 from the state highway system.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on March 09, 2014, 09:17:02 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on March 06, 2014, 10:13:29 PM
Found a Blue US 90 alongside a very old CR sign that I haven't seen a pic of:

https://www.google.com/maps?q=Gainesville,+FL&ll=30.250967,-82.271547&spn=0.000037,0.024912&t=h&hnear=Gainesville,+Alachua+County,+Florida&z=16&layer=c&cbll=30.251054,-82.271595&panoid=uk26Ney6ubRHCggJOAZdVQ&cbp=12,206.51,,1,0 (https://www.google.com/maps?q=Gainesville,+FL&ll=30.250967,-82.271547&spn=0.000037,0.024912&t=h&hnear=Gainesville,+Alachua+County,+Florida&z=16&layer=c&cbll=30.251054,-82.271595&panoid=uk26Ney6ubRHCggJOAZdVQ&cbp=12,206.51,,1,0)

And another one:
https://www.google.com/maps?q=Gainesville,+FL&ll=30.207213,-82.410078&spn=0.000037,0.024912&t=h&hnear=Gainesville,+Alachua+County,+Florida&z=16&layer=c&cbll=30.207298,-82.410081&panoid=-XUy956M-_XCI5R3KpJrCg&cbp=12,221.62,,1,0 (https://www.google.com/maps?q=Gainesville,+FL&ll=30.207213,-82.410078&spn=0.000037,0.024912&t=h&hnear=Gainesville,+Alachua+County,+Florida&z=16&layer=c&cbll=30.207298,-82.410081&panoid=-XUy956M-_XCI5R3KpJrCg&cbp=12,221.62,,1,0)
The last time I was up that way (about a year ago), I believe I noticed that one, if not both, of those Sanderson blue 90's were gone.  I didn't check on the one near the Olustee Battlefield, however.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 09, 2014, 10:59:34 AM
Quote from: emory on March 09, 2014, 04:11:42 AM
I assume they're resigning those exits in preparation to remove FL 585 from the state highway system.

Absolutely. FDOT will repave the alignment of SR 585 one final time and then transfer it over to the city.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on March 10, 2014, 12:18:41 AM
Yellow US 231's in Alford:

https://www.google.com/maps?q=Crestview,+FL&ll=30.693897,-85.390305&spn=0.000005,0.003114&t=h&hnear=Crestview,+Okaloosa+County,+Florida&z=19&layer=c&cbll=30.693888,-85.39018&panoid=rMn-NXtfi5Wvo_odDTN7BQ&cbp=12,276.83,,0,0 (https://www.google.com/maps?q=Crestview,+FL&ll=30.693897,-85.390305&spn=0.000005,0.003114&t=h&hnear=Crestview,+Okaloosa+County,+Florida&z=19&layer=c&cbll=30.693888,-85.39018&panoid=rMn-NXtfi5Wvo_odDTN7BQ&cbp=12,276.83,,0,0)

https://www.google.com/maps?q=Crestview,+FL&ll=30.693945,-85.391037&spn=0.000005,0.003114&t=h&hnear=Crestview,+Okaloosa+County,+Florida&z=19&layer=c&cbll=30.693953,-85.391153&panoid=YXl4eZXj6uCijjA2rA9ytA&cbp=12,276.83,,0,0 (https://www.google.com/maps?q=Crestview,+FL&ll=30.693945,-85.391037&spn=0.000005,0.003114&t=h&hnear=Crestview,+Okaloosa+County,+Florida&z=19&layer=c&cbll=30.693953,-85.391153&panoid=YXl4eZXj6uCijjA2rA9ytA&cbp=12,276.83,,0,0)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 10, 2014, 12:16:30 PM
N.Y. Times: Need for Speeders Puts Tiny Florida City on Brink of Erasure (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/11/us/need-for-speeders-puts-tiny-florida-city-on-brink-of-erasure.html)

QuoteHAMPTON, Fla. – It's easy for motorists driving down busy County Road 301 to miss this speck of a city in rural north-central Florida: Fiddle with the car radio, unwrap a pack of gum, gaze out the window at the sunset and, whoosh, it's gone.

QuoteAnd so it fell to the police to force hurried travelers to stop and savor the 1,260-foot ribbon of roadway belonging to this city. Hidden by trash bins or concealed in a stretch of woods, the officers – a word loosely applied here – pointed their radar devices. Between 2011 and 2012, Hampton's officers issued 12,698 speeding tickets to motorists, many likely caught outside Hampton's strip of county road.

QuoteBut, as it turns out, surprised motorists are not the only ones getting burned. So many speeding tickets were churned out for so many years and with such brazenness that this city of 477 residents came under scrutiny – and not just for revenue raising with a radar gun. Now, Hampton, an 89-year-old city, is fighting legislative momentum to wipe it off the map, after a state audit last month uncovered reams of financial irregularities, shoddy record-keeping and missing funds.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on March 10, 2014, 03:31:07 PM
^^^Been following this story since it came out in the Orlando Sentinel a couple of weeks ago.

Now, can we do the same to Lawtey and Waldo?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 10, 2014, 06:12:02 PM
County Road 301? Looks like US 301 was given a double-dis!

I was at work in that area two years ago, and the courts had surmised that US 301 did not actually border the limits Hampton, and therefore they had no jurisdiction over it.

There is precedence for this, the State of Florida revoked Boulogne's charter.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 11, 2014, 10:15:21 AM
Quote from: formulanone on March 10, 2014, 06:12:02 PM
County Road 301? Looks like US 301 was given a double-dis!

I was at work in that area two years ago, and the courts had surmised that US 301 did not actually border the limits Hampton, and therefore they had no jurisdiction over it.

There is precedence for this, the State of Florida revoked Boulogne's charter.

I read the long story on CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/09/us/hampton-florida-corruption/) about Hampton. Drove there once at the end of 2006 (CR 18 west to CR 221 south).

QuoteThe ticket money continued rolling in: $616,960 between 2010 and 2012. Hampton's peak year came in 2011, when 9,515 speeding tickets brought in more than $253,000.
That was the year state Rep. Charles Van Zant got his speeding ticket. He says he drove directly to the courthouse in Starke and paid it. And, he insists, he carries no grudge. But later, he observed, "When I got my ticket, you couldn't hardly pass by Hampton without getting a ticket. You can say that's law enforcement, but no. That's banking using the U.S. highway system."
By 2012, Smith was playing hardball. He questioned whether the city had legally annexed the 1,260-foot stretch of U.S. 301; he said nobody could find a document recording the easement. He also believed that Hampton was illegally tracking cars with its radar outside the city limits.
He persuaded a judge to dismiss Hampton's tickets and cut the city's officers off the county radio and national criminal record database. He ordered his deputies not to accept Hampton's prisoners at the county jail.
Responding to the pressure, Hampton took down its speed trap. The ticket money for 2012 dropped more than 40 percent from the previous year.

When I drove through in January, I did not even notice Hampton at all. However reviewing my photos, I see the Hampton city limit sign and that the speed limit dropped from 65 to 55 at the intersection with CR 18. The lone cop I saw along US 301 that day was in Waldo facing southbound traffic.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 11, 2014, 11:10:16 AM
Probably dropped to 55 there long before Hampton annexed it, due to the traffic light.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jim on March 12, 2014, 08:22:24 AM
From the CNN article (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/09/us/hampton-florida-corruption/):

QuoteThe American Automobile Association's Auto Club of the South labeled Hampton a "traffic trap" and warned members about the town, along with Lawtey and Waldo, on its maps. The AAA also erected warning billboards along U.S. 301.

We travel the Baldwin-Ocala stretch of US 301 a few times a year, and I've seen those billboards but never knew who posted them.  I vaguely (and naively) thought they might have been posted by the towns themselves because they genuinely wanted traffic through the area to slow to a safe speed.  Clearly not.

Given the amount of enforcement we've seen in all of those little towns, we're very good about slowing to the exact posted speed every time it drops below 65.  In my experience, Lawtey is the worst.  There's been an officer with a speed gun and/or someone pulled over nearly every time I've driven through.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 12, 2014, 08:45:20 AM
I had to drive through Waldo every morning (around 7:00-7:30am) for a few weeks, and they had a school zone through their town as well. So the 35 dropped to 15mph, and that several block stretch is where they really set up their enforcement, not at the town fringes. It does have a flashing light and sign warning you of the 15 mph zone, but on a foggy morning, it might be hard to discern. It's hard to miss the warning signs, to be honest. But there were at least two patrol cars stationary, but facing traffic every morning.

Mind you, there weren't any crossing guards, let alone any children, at FL 24/Waldo Road, either. No vehicles seemed to be turning towards the elementary school. So it seemed to be a bit of a sham, although perhaps school hadn't started yet...maybe not enough time for actual school traffic.

Quote from: Alex on March 11, 2014, 10:15:21 AM
When I drove through in January, I did not even notice Hampton at all. However reviewing my photos, I see the Hampton city limit sign and that the speed limit dropped from 65 to 55 at the intersection with CR 18. The lone cop I saw along US 301 that day was in Waldo facing southbound traffic.

And if it were their jurisdiction, I don't have a problem with the slight drop from 65 to 55, since there is an intersection with some traffic (enough for a light? debatable, although US 301 traffic can be thicker during rush hours). After all, it's not like Lawtey, which also doesn't even have much in the way of cross traffic, yet drops down to 35. But not exactly something that needs desperate enforcement.

(It should be noted that Lawtey has a treasure trove of old Keys shields. So if you're paying extra attention, it's worth a stop.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 13, 2014, 06:41:00 AM
1967 plans for I-4 (now I-275) in St. Pete:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=HO4LAAAAIBAJ&sjid=O1cDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6278%2C4126724
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=He4LAAAAIBAJ&sjid=O1cDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1292%2C4336296
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Hu4LAAAAIBAJ&sjid=O1cDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6897%2C4635181
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=H-4LAAAAIBAJ&sjid=O1cDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2621%2C4840370
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=3D9QAAAAIBAJ&sjid=O1cDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7049%2C5027233
This seems to match what was built, except at exit 20. Note the proposed freeway coming out of the wide median at 38th Avenue North and the western continuation of I-375 including south-facing ramps. (1973 map showing where these freeways would have gone (http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00017174/00001/2x?search=pinellas&vo=32&vp=327,3886))

Description of minor changes, including current exit 20: http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=H75aAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UFcDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2778%2C3097236 What's described doesn't quite match the current layout, but is shown on  a 1977 plan (http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00017162/00001/1x?search=pinellas&vo=32&vp=4026,2199).

Starting December 7, they had plans for what are now I-175 and I-375, but these seem to match the current design perfectly.

1968 plans for extension to the Skyway, mostly matching how it was built: http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=VopQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=iVwDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4682%2C5254974
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 14, 2014, 11:11:49 AM
I-375 used to have exit numbers: http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=FmFQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=j1gDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3947%2C1718359
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on March 14, 2014, 05:33:44 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 14, 2014, 11:11:49 AM
I-375 used to have exit numbers: http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=FmFQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=j1gDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3947%2C1718359

Center exit tabs at that!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 16, 2014, 11:48:15 AM
I've started compiling links to expressway plans from Florida cities: http://neroute2.blogspot.com/2014/03/historic-expressway-plans.html
If anyone has any others, let me know.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 16, 2014, 12:35:20 PM
Woohoo. Finally found proof that US 98 was supposed to go via SR 710.
http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/39126913/
QuoteMcKethan said the route numbering committee of the American Association of State Highway officials has agreed to the extension of Highway 98 from its present western terminus at Apalachicola to West Palm Beach by way of Newport, Perry, Cross City, Brooksville, Lakeland, Frostproof, Okeechobee and Canal Point. Approval was voted at the recent AASHO meeting in Omaha, where McKethan appeared in behalf of the project. The new route will be designated on the 1952 State Highway maps which will be released for publication next month. For the present the through highway will be routed through Tallahassee and down the peninsular because the Newport-Perry cut-off is still under construction. The Okeechobee-West Palm Beach leg of the route will also be designated as temporary on the 1952 maps because the relocation of the road there, via Indiantown in Martin county, is projected.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 18, 2014, 06:41:45 AM
Holy crap, it's signed.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F0%2F06%2FSR_585_at_CR_574.jpg&hash=f87ac4a89154e19be594a2799c55d2c408f772e3)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 18, 2014, 09:49:35 AM
Quote from: NE2 on March 18, 2014, 06:41:45 AM
Holy crap, it's signed.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F0%2F06%2FSR_585_at_CR_574.jpg&hash=f87ac4a89154e19be594a2799c55d2c408f772e3)

Its been signed there since at least 2007 and still is as of Saturday. That's the only place though off-hand.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 18, 2014, 10:56:44 AM
Ah. I guess I never went that way on SR 585.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 18, 2014, 02:41:43 PM
Turns out every independent section of SR 700 was originally planned as something else (unless you count the short connection between SR 60 and SR 555 in Bartow).
*SR 55 to SR 50A: SR 485 (https://or.hernandoclerk.com/LandmarkWeb/Document/GetDocumentForPrint/?documentId=1868511) (defined 1945)
*SR 50 to SR 35: SR 39 (https://or.hernandoclerk.com/LandmarkWeb/Document/GetDocumentForPrint/?documentId=1868325)
*Lake Parker Avenue: SR 471 (http://www.dot.state.fl.us/surveyingandmapping/rowmap/d1/polk/16331-2501.PDF)
*SR 35 to SR 25: SR 630 (defined 1947)
*SR 25 to SR 70: SR 66 (defined 1945)
*SR 15 to SR 80: SR 716 (defined 1945)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 19, 2014, 10:10:13 AM
Looks like Florida's first Maryland-style three-way CFI is planned at SR 9B and CR 2209: http://northfloridaroads.com/upload/documents/SR9BAerial-9-13.pdf
The Race Track Road Connector dead end would probably link to Nocatee Parkway in the future.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on March 26, 2014, 05:49:54 PM
I-595 Express Lanes are open as of 2 PM today, westbound, switching to eastbound at 4 AM. No tolls yet.

Here is the entrance from SB FL Tpk around 2:04 ;-)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/SicMg6toR1FodLQvr10GdCHzKnyar9p416LgCLB36Q2u=w1126-h866-no) No tolls yet
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/kqenEe2mNdeChFf7KksrLcb9cvfeuScKirJWG445rZwN=w1118-h866-no)

Flyover to WB 595
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/zc7iFqTJbSJobm26QS_JjkQ2ll-ejv-_4BG34Rlz0g6J=w1131-h866-no)

Two-way sign assembly
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/uYkrdjxuWheXJAEVDefSkBA-mcjKzfv9t19zktb37a3Q=w1004-h866-no)

Pretty empty 10 minutes after opening. (Also a jetliner picking up the glideslope to FLL runway 10L at NOVAE)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/2pwS0IX5p0zSNEX6ePac8mihO8vyG9U9eR4rse69IUYb=w1312-h726-no)

End of lanes at westbound, toward I-75 NB & the EB express lane entrance. There is no access to the Weston Rd exit from the express lanes unless you take the other exit, back on the mainline toward FL 869.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/W7XuF8sT7z7m4o1Z2oQsWGf3BB2SoZEn8z5HPG0esTgk=w1305-h866-no)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on March 26, 2014, 06:53:30 PM
Very nice pics. :clap:

Glad to see you have those super sized sign gantries on film.  It should be interesting to see how these HOT lanes begin to work on a completely normal workweek (schools are closed, less traffic this week.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 26, 2014, 07:16:10 PM
New X exit, for a different reason than the old ones.

And is this the first yellow toll 869 shield?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 26, 2014, 07:35:16 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 26, 2014, 07:16:10 PM
And is this the first yellow toll 869 shield?

There's a few on the Turnpike, but the first ones I've spotted were on SR 7, about a year ago.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on March 26, 2014, 07:52:37 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 26, 2014, 07:16:10 PM
And is this the first yellow toll 869 shield?

Nah, they have been popping up all over lately on the new signs. Lots of new signs are going up since toll-by-plate starts next month on the Sawgrass.

Also, in preparation for toll-by-plate there is a new BGS on SB Tpk before 869 which has the shield greened out, and one of two exit lane arrows covered (because there is only one lane on the ramp, oops).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 26, 2014, 08:04:50 PM
So that's yellow toll shields on all the South Florida toll roads. Anyone seen any for 23, 281, 568, 570, 589, or 618?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on March 27, 2014, 02:36:33 PM
More yellow Sawgrass & a new NB control city also (was W Palm Beach)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/0qFm3hpgou32Fdmd6Itf6-0V_em-gwiAI8gTBq7CFrMm=w1102-h866-no)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on March 27, 2014, 03:48:16 PM
Quote from: clef on March 27, 2014, 02:36:33 PM
More yellow Sawgrass & a new NB control city also (was W Palm Beach)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/0qFm3hpgou32Fdmd6Itf6-0V_em-gwiAI8gTBq7CFrMm=w1102-h866-no)
Photo looks like the end of Sunrise Blvd, yes?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on March 27, 2014, 03:53:34 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on March 27, 2014, 03:48:16 PM
Photo looks like then end of Sunrise Blvd, yes?

Yes it is, here (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.146142,-80.339776,3a,75y,269.59h,80.99t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s6c34YTsfKsqA732zWziqKg!2e0) is GSV of W Palm Beach control city
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 27, 2014, 06:39:53 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 26, 2014, 08:04:50 PM
So that's yellow toll shields on all the South Florida toll roads. Anyone seen any for 23, 281, 568, 570, 589, or 618?

SR 50 east in Hernando:

(https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida042/fl-050_eb_app_fl-589.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida042/fl-050_eb_app_fl-589.jpg)

(https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida042/fl-050_eb_app_fl-589_sb.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida042/fl-050_eb_app_fl-589_sb.jpg)

Quote from: clef on March 26, 2014, 05:49:54 PM
I-595 Express Lanes are open as of 2 PM today, westbound, switching to eastbound at 4 AM. No tolls yet.

Awesome, I was wondering because their web sites did not indicate an opening date when I looked two days ago. Will be checking it out next week when Carter and I head to South Florida to go roadding.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on March 29, 2014, 02:47:58 AM
NE/NW 1st Street in Miami has now been inventoried by the state. http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/straight-linesonlinegis/blank.aspx?docId=104636
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 30, 2014, 09:11:47 PM
Quote from: clef on March 27, 2014, 02:36:33 PM
More yellow Sawgrass & a new NB control city also (was W Palm Beach)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/0qFm3hpgou32Fdmd6Itf6-0V_em-gwiAI8gTBq7CFrMm=w1102-h866-no)

Seriously, they chose Orlando, which is 200 miles away? Coral Springs and Deerfield/Pompano Beach don't cut it? West Palm makes much more sense.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 30, 2014, 11:30:51 PM
Quote from: formulanone on March 30, 2014, 09:11:47 PM

Seriously, they chose Orlando, which is 200 miles away? Coral Springs and Deerfield/Pompano Beach don't cut it? West Palm makes much more sense.

So did the signs on I-75 south for SR 869 [Cpral Springs/West Palm Bch] get replaced/adjusted to reflect Orlando too?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: brickbuilder711 on March 31, 2014, 01:35:17 AM
Saw the new approaches when heading to ORL for a convention last weekend, felt like I was in Tampa lol with those B&B ARMR gates in sight. The asymmetry between the ends of the highway sign poles kinda irks me, though.
I also noticed, while on the subject of SR 91 the construction of the ramp from NB 91 to NB 417, NB 91 to SB 417, and SB 417 to SB 91. Had no idea the project already started.

Equally irksome is finding out about the ORT conversion on the 869... They JUST built those new plazas! What a waste!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on March 31, 2014, 05:16:11 AM
Quote from: formulanone on March 30, 2014, 09:11:47 PM
Seriously, they chose Orlando, which is 200 miles away? Coral Springs and Deerfield/Pompano Beach don't cut it? West Palm makes much more sense.

In Atlanta, an I-75 southbound overhead near I-285 has Tampa as a control city. Over 450 miles away!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 31, 2014, 09:41:43 AM
I-295 North around Orange Park has Savannah as a control city. Not 400 miles, but not exactly the next county over, either.

It's just that 869 doesn't directly serve Orlando, but I sometimes forget control cities are to direct tourists rather than local traffic. But if you're going to make a 24-mile toll road seem useful, showing its terminus and/or major cities would seem to make more sense. It was essentially built to serve Coral Springs, anyhow.

Quote from: emory on March 29, 2014, 02:47:58 AM
NE/NW 1st Street in Miami has now been inventoried by the state. http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/straight-linesonlinegis/blank.aspx?docId=104636

Just noticing the Straight Line Diagrams have the word "CALTRAN" underneath the date...something to do with the method in which the SLDs are created?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on March 31, 2014, 09:56:24 AM
Quote from: formulanone on March 31, 2014, 09:41:43 AM
It's just that 869 doesn't directly serve Orlando, but I sometimes forget control cities are to direct tourists rather than local traffic.

I thought about the tourist aspect when I saw that assembly. It would have made the sign bigger, but if their intention was to guide people in the direction of Orlando, perhaps they should have included a "Via Florida's Turnpike" so motorists aren't as confused when they reach the Turnpike. And from what I remember isn't the signage at the Turnpike exit only showing the standard Turnpike trailblazer on the overheads with no control cities listed? Or has that changed?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on March 31, 2014, 08:27:07 PM
Quote from: formulanone on March 31, 2014, 09:41:43 AM
I-295 North around Orange Park has Savannah as a control city. Not 400 miles, but not exactly the next county over, either.

It's just that 869 doesn't directly serve Orlando, but I sometimes forget control cities are to direct tourists rather than local traffic. But if you're going to make a 24-mile toll road seem useful, showing its terminus and/or major cities would seem to make more sense. It was essentially built to serve Coral Springs, anyhow.

As a former Coral Springs resident, that town doesn't deserve to be a control city.

Quote from: formulanone on March 31, 2014, 09:41:43 AM
Quote from: emory on March 29, 2014, 02:47:58 AM
NE/NW 1st Street in Miami has now been inventoried by the state. http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/straight-linesonlinegis/blank.aspx?docId=104636

Just noticing the Straight Line Diagrams have the word "CALTRAN" underneath the date...something to do with the method in which the SLDs are created?

I wondered that too. My first thought was California's department of transportation: Caltrans, but they'd have no business in the Florida SHS.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 31, 2014, 09:46:34 PM
Quote from: emory on March 31, 2014, 08:27:07 PM
As a former Coral Springs resident, that town doesn't deserve to be a control city.

Me too...and as it went from a sleepy bedroom community from 1500 residents to 120,000 within forty years, it's no longer a minor dot on the map. It's pretty much completely built-up by now, though. But it's quite obvious that it serves the city, with four exits, it's the largest city in terms of physical size and in population on the route.

I don't know enough about CALTRANS, but maybe it's their "style" of SLDs.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 31, 2014, 10:16:38 PM
Quote from: emory on March 31, 2014, 05:16:11 AM
Quote from: formulanone on March 30, 2014, 09:11:47 PM
Seriously, they chose Orlando, which is 200 miles away? Coral Springs and Deerfield/Pompano Beach don't cut it? West Palm makes much more sense.

In Atlanta, an I-75 southbound overhead near I-285 has Tampa as a control city. Over 450 miles away!
Texas uses plenty of cities over 200 miles away as control cities.  El Paso is used on I-10 WB in San Antonio which is way over 500 miles away.  Dallas is used in Houston on I-45 NB which is over 200.

Then go to Virginia where both Atlanta and Miami are used at the I-95 and I-85 interchange in Petersburg.  Both are well over 300 miles.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 31, 2014, 10:25:18 PM
In all of these cases, they're along the same route number. Orlando just misses FL 869 by...two hundred miles.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 31, 2014, 10:50:52 PM
Quote from: formulanone on March 31, 2014, 10:25:18 PM
In all of these cases, they're along the same route number. Orlando just misses FL 869 by...two hundred miles.
FL 869 along with I-75 makes a bypass for the Florida Turnpike.  Even going SB Key West is used at FL 869's terminus, and that is four roads when you count the Turnpike again.  That too is over 200 miles from that particular point.

No different then a control city on a numbered interstate beltway.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 02, 2014, 11:50:16 AM
Some note from a roadtrip to Miami with Carter yesterday.

Drove the new I-595 Express lanes in the eastbound direction. Crews were putting the finishing touches on the lanes in a few places, but otherwise they were open (and very lightly traveled). The icing on the cake was that the lanes were open toll free, seemingly as a test run to lure in potential commuters when tolls commence.

The Orlando control points for SR 869 are not consistent (yet). Many still reference Coral Springs.

Took the Sawgrass and noted portable VMS touting the cashless toll coming to SR 869. No yellow bannered SR 869 shields in the northbound direction either.

Redrove the Gratigny Parkway and noted that after the limited access portion ends, regular Florida shields for SR 924 include the MDX placard below.

Photographed one of the new sets of I-195 trailblazers on side roads for FL 112 at Miami Beach. Its pretty well signed with trailblazers now.

Only hit traffic at the south end of I-95, where two cars were stopped in the right lane, followed by another two in the left-lane (which actually moved as we approached). And u-turning on FL A1A where westbound was reduced by one lane for the new Port Tunnel. Crews were working on the ventilation building facade among other things when we drove by.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on April 02, 2014, 03:04:39 PM
Yeah, I thought the Gratigny was odd with those MDX paddle signs...hadn't driven on 924 in over 15 years, until last month.

Is there really much demand to make those last few miles limited-access, just so I-75 reaches I-95 without stop lights? Haven't heard any serious plans for it, ever. A stop light before I-95 could act as one big ramp meter :biggrin: because I don't see that area of Miami-Dade getting developed in such a fashion.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 02, 2014, 03:49:48 PM
Quote from: formulanone on April 02, 2014, 03:04:39 PM
Yeah, I thought the Gratigny was odd with those MDX paddle signs...hadn't driven on 924 in over 15 years, until last month.

Is there really much demand to make those last few miles limited-access, just so I-75 reaches I-95 without stop lights? Haven't heard any serious plans for it, ever. A stop light before I-95 could act as one big ramp meter :biggrin: because I don't see that area of Miami-Dade getting developed in such a fashion.

Was envisioned to continue east to I-95 as the Opa-Locka Expressway per the 1969 Miami Transportation Study. Was cancelled due to community opposition.

Yesterday was my first time on the Gratigny since 2006, and first time westbound. The last two sign bridges already show it as the I-75 mainline.




Forgot to mention in the earlier post, we spotted an "I-I-595" shield yesterday. Posted a pic at http://t.co/2iY9ot9TPB
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 04, 2014, 11:35:27 AM
I never thought it would be possible. Or lazy?  :-D

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.828612,-81.887939,3a,75y,83.44h,68.34t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s4Jd--0Q-V2y7izAEmIDDOA!2e0
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Zeffy on April 04, 2014, 11:37:21 AM
Quote from: florida on April 04, 2014, 11:35:27 AM
I never thought it would be possible. Or lazy?  :-D

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.828612,-81.887939,3a,75y,83.44h,68.34t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s4Jd--0Q-V2y7izAEmIDDOA!2e0

That is an example of a one-piece that needs to be burned to the ground.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on April 04, 2014, 11:51:03 AM
Most Lake County signage is atrocious. Not oddball-one-off-Florida weird, not old, sun-faded, or mangled...just make-up ugly stuff like uni-signs and uncut borders.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: brownpelican on April 04, 2014, 04:22:11 PM
I stumbled onto this mega project. FDOT's plans for reconstruction of I-4 in Orlando metro...with renderings.

http://www.moving-4-ward.com/ (http://www.moving-4-ward.com/)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on April 04, 2014, 07:54:53 PM
Quote from: brownpelican on April 04, 2014, 04:22:11 PM
I stumbled onto this mega project. FDOT's plans for reconstruction of I-4 in Orlando metro...with renderings.

http://www.moving-4-ward.com/ (http://www.moving-4-ward.com/)

Cool! The express toll lanes work really well in Miami (at least from my perspective). I'm glad to see FDOT finally doing something to improve congestion in Orlando.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 16, 2014, 08:08:31 AM
The Orlando Orange County Expressway Authority just finished installing the new yellow TOLL banners for its exit with FL 528.  I have not yet got to photograph it as I was en route with my elderly mom so I did not have the chance, but it is worth seeing.

For those of you that are annoyed by the arrows on the I-10 guides along I-75 several hundred miles away, you are going to love this one.  All guide signs now for SR 528 not only feature the new shields on them, but have both and "EAST" and "WEST" next to the shields as well. 

Also the OOECEA is still using the orange outline in their shields as with the previous green topped shields.  You would think that with the orange outline proving to be not so good with it fading within a year or two they would change that too to what FDOT uses that still last!  It make look better of course, but to have to replace the signs every two years is not that efficient in cost.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on April 16, 2014, 11:25:37 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 16, 2014, 08:08:31 AM
The Orlando Orange County Expressway Authority just finished installing the new yellow TOLL banners for its exit with FL 528.  I have not yet got to photograph it as I was en route with my elderly mom so I did not have the chance, but it is worth seeing.

For those of you that are annoyed by the arrows on the I-10 guides along I-75 several hundred miles away, you are going to love this one.  All guide signs now for SR 528 not only feature the new shields on them, but have both and "EAST" and "WEST" next to the shields as well. 

Also the OOECEA is still using the orange outline in their shields as with the previous green topped shields.  You would think that with the orange outline proving to be not so good with it fading within a year or two they would change that too to what FDOT uses that still last!  It make look better of course, but to have to replace the signs every two years is not that efficient in cost.

You forgot to mention which route has the new yellow toll shields...

OOCEA has a few of them around for the 528. The Sand Lake/Jetport/Boggy Creek interchange has had them for awhile, and FDOT posted some at the SR520 interchange as well. I agree that they look stupid with the orange state outline. I liked the orange outline with the green banner but not with the yellow.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 17, 2014, 10:22:25 AM
It's SR 528 that has them for sure.  I cannot remember if the pull through signs had them for SR 417 or not.  The EAST and WEST banners stood out for me for the interchanging roadway.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: brickbuilder711 on April 18, 2014, 12:42:10 AM
Quote from: Alex on April 02, 2014, 03:49:48 PM

Forgot to mention in the earlier post, we spotted an "I-I-595" shield yesterday. Posted a pic at http://t.co/2iY9ot9TPB

That is just gold. Hopefully someone will get to keep that once FDOT cares to fix it. LOL :sombrero:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 24, 2014, 11:42:49 PM
Evidently Pasco County is getting ready to extend County Road 530 west to Overpass Road, and add a new interchange for I-75.

http://www.overpassroad.com/project-information.html

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2014/4/23/pasco_new_interchang.html

I suppose this is going to be Exit 282?

Either way, they should concentrate on the West Zephyrhills Bypass, if anything.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on April 25, 2014, 11:33:15 AM
The bill to raise speed limits passed the Senate, and is likely to pass the House:
http://mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2014/4/24/florida_speed_limit.html

It raises the maximum 5 for all classes of roads. This means 75 for freeways, 70 for dual carriageway highways, and 65 for two lane roads.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 26, 2014, 02:50:45 PM
New signs were installed at the northbound beginning of US 19. The first sign is a diagrammatic while the second has two panels, one with EXIT ONLY and two arrows (when the #2 lane is optional for both US 19 and 41 north) and the other with two Up pointing arrows for US 41. Very surprised that a standard APL was not posted here.

Once on US 19, a brand new mileage sign was installed. Someone at FDOT must have dusted off some old sign specs, because the distance to Perry (214 miles) is now displayed!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on April 29, 2014, 07:59:47 PM
On a trip over to the Orlando area this past weekend I spotted a new black on yellow TOLL Florida 570 trailblazer in Bartow at the intersection between US 98 and Florida 60:

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/broadway_ave_at_us-098.jpg)

New signage is also present for the split between SR 60 east and US 98 south:

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/us-098_fl-060_app_us-017.jpg)
Diagrammatical for the upcoming departure of Florida 60 east to Lake Wales and US 98 to US 17 south toward Fort Meade.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on April 30, 2014, 01:37:33 PM
I see that they've started using the yellow border traffic lights out in Polk County. Here in Brevard, they seem to be the new standard, as are flashing yellow arrow signals.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on April 30, 2014, 03:12:58 PM
Speed limit bill passed the house, barely. It's now headed to Governor Voldemort, I mean Rick Scott.

http://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/local/2014/04/30/speed-limit-increase-bill-goes-to-florida-gov-scott/8517799/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: andy3175 on May 03, 2014, 10:28:03 PM
Quote from: flaroads on April 29, 2014, 07:59:47 PM
On a trip over to the Orlando area this past weekend I spotted a new black on yellow TOLL Florida 570 trailblazer in Bartow at the intersection between US 98 and Florida 60:

Thank you for sharing FlaRoads! Very nice signage.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on May 06, 2014, 04:47:28 PM
Got to finally see some of the new signage at the U.S. 41/U.S. 19 split north of Palmetto this afternoon:

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/us-041_nb_app_us-019_01.jpg)
New diagrammatical for the upcoming beginning of U.S. 19. They decided to add the Sunshine Skyway as a control point and indicate that U.S. 19 leads to I-275. Port Manatee also gets added as a control point for U.S. 41.

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/us-041_nb_app_us-019_02.jpg)
APL-ish type guide sign at the gore point. The second arrow on the U.S. 19 overhead should really be white on green as the middle lane exits onto U.S. 19 as well as becoming the inside lane for U.S. 41 northbound.

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/us-019_nb_after_us-041_02.jpg)
A new mileage sign now includes Perry at 214 miles out. Still no reassurance shield though...

And lastly....

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/7th_st_w_eb_app_3rd_ave_w.jpg)
The orange (coral) colored U.S. 41 shields along 7th Street West in Palmetto are no more! They have been removed but for some reason the sign span remains. This is what was formally attached to the sign span:

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/FL/FL19820411i1.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 07, 2014, 09:22:11 AM
Quote from: realjd on April 30, 2014, 03:12:58 PM
Speed limit bill passed the house, barely. It's now headed to Governor Voldemort, I mean Rick Scott.

http://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/local/2014/04/30/speed-limit-increase-bill-goes-to-florida-gov-scott/8517799/
Good call on him!  Apparently, Sean Hannity is campaigning for him already praising him to be a great governor!  Considering Hannity is supposed to be conservative and does not like RINO's that he would not be praising this guy at all.  Anyway,  Rick Scott is a big nobody with money to hurt people! 
Title: Florida
Post by: formulanone on May 07, 2014, 10:49:20 AM
Quote from: flaroads on May 06, 2014, 04:47:28 PM
The orange (coral) colored U.S. 41 shields along 7th Street West in Palmetto are no more! They have been removed but for some reason the sign span remains.

Booooo!

Never got around to getting a photo of those. Any other remaining orange 41 shields?

In other news...love bug month means road trips suck until Memorial Day.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on May 07, 2014, 02:59:14 PM
Quote from: formulanone on May 07, 2014, 10:49:20 AM
Quote from: flaroads on May 06, 2014, 04:47:28 PM
The orange (coral) colored U.S. 41 shields along 7th Street West in Palmetto are no more! They have been removed but for some reason the sign span remains.

Booooo!

Never got around to getting a photo of those. Any other remaining orange 41 shields?


Outside of Joe's find of new US 27/41 (https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/t1.0-9/205940_2331869425412_6094974_n.jpg) shields in High Springs, where the US 41 is red, I believe that was the last orange 41 left in the state.

Quote from: formulanone on May 07, 2014, 10:49:20 AM
In other news...love bug month means road trips suck until Memorial Day.

Love bugs have been horrible down here for three weeks. They are especially bad this week with swarms all over.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 08, 2014, 11:58:18 PM
Construction rolls on the Florida Turnpike at TOLL FL 417.  Traffic is being shifted to a temporary roadway while construction crews work on the SB FL 417 ramp to the SB Turnpike.  This photo looks northward from Town Center Boulevard near Hunter's Creek.

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5239/13955387987_736ddc4ece_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 13, 2014, 04:16:27 PM
So our douchebag of a governor is going to veto the speed limit increase because he "stands with law enforcement".
http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20140513/APN/305139732

We had a trooper killed by a drunk driver during a traffic stop. During her funeral, the FHP troopers demanded publicly that he veto the bill, as if raising the speed limit has anything to do with drunk driving.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 13, 2014, 04:37:49 PM
You know that guy is so irritating.  He thinks he hot shit because now that Sean Hanity is campaigning for him next election.  Hannity keeps telling people that Rick Scott is a great governor and doing great things for this state to prove that Republican governors have the best economy.  The thing is Rick Scott is not a real Republican!  He got the State of Florida's Republican Party to give him a run off election to run against Bill McCullum, who is the real Republican for governor that never got in do to his slogan "Don't elect career politicians" which people of Florida fell for like suckers.  At least McCullum was in US Congress and knows something about the political game.

I want this idiot out of Tallahassee so badly I cannot express how much I hate this guy!  I even hate Hannity even more now, because he is supposed to be a professional journalist.  Even Bud Hedinger, local talk show personality in Orlando who is conservative very much, only supported Scott because he had to.   This guy is a RINO and should be in jail for medicair fraud as he did an Ollie North when he was indicted for his alleged mistakes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on May 13, 2014, 07:26:52 PM
Quote from: realjd on May 13, 2014, 04:16:27 PM
So our douchebag of a governor is going to veto the speed limit increase because he "stands with law enforcement".
http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20140513/APN/305139732

We had a trooper killed by a drunk driver during a traffic stop. During her funeral, the FHP troopers demanded publicly that he veto the bill, as if raising the speed limit has anything to do with drunk driving.
I am not surprised that Governor Scott will veto this speed limit bill.  Oddly, in Florida, driving 75 mph in a 70 mph zone is not even a violation.  And no, I am also no fan of the Governor, either.  I'll be just as surprised if he is re-elected as he was elected in 2010.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on May 13, 2014, 09:42:41 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on May 13, 2014, 07:26:52 PM
I am not surprised that Governor Scott will veto this speed limit bill.  Oddly, in Florida, driving 75 mph in a 70 mph zone is not even a violation.  And no, I am also no fan of the Governor, either.  I'll be just as surprised if he is re-elected as he was elected in 2010.
No but what this veto from Lord Voldemort will do is eventually change that rule and make it a violation. You watch. I cannot wait until November 4th!!

He was quoted as saying: "Maintaining Florida's current speed limits will undoubtedly prevent injuries and save lives on our roadways."
I'm sorry but if I were hit at 70 versus 75 (as an example) I don't think that my injuries are going to be that different. It's an illogical statement on his part.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 14, 2014, 06:02:49 PM
Well we have to support the "other" this November. Even with Crist's faults, he is not as evil as ole Baldy is!  Hopefully they can override his veto, even if it takes till next year.

I am upset that Sean Hannity, someone I thought had a level head, is saying praises for this guy on his radio and TV show when Scott is not even Conservative.  I thought we had someone of a nice guy here, but he is starting to give talk radio a much more bad name as well as Fox.  Even Bud Heddinger was reluctant to support this clown when he ran against Dana Sink last time around, so you know that he is a RINO.  Heck, I do not think his is an anything,  either left, right, center, or points in between.  Rick Scott is off the scale of politics.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on May 14, 2014, 07:03:14 PM
The parts of Florida where a 75 mph speed limit would be appropriate will still have people exceeding the posted 70 mph limit very  often.

Two limited-access highways that immediately come to mind are Alligator Alley (Interstate 75) for its entire length and the Florida's Turnpike between Fort Pierce (Exit 152) and Kissimmee (Exit 238).  Speeds of some vehicles often greatly exceed 85-90 mph since both sections of these two highways are virtually straight, lightly traveled and are through-traffic corridors.  Traveling at 100 mph is not unheard of.

US 27 from the Miami-Dade County line north to Belle Glade, south of Lake Ockeechobee would be another area where the rise from 65 mph to 70 mph would make little difference.

I am sure my fellow Florida members of this forum have other possibilities to illustrate the point.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 14, 2014, 07:16:39 PM
If it were able to have 75 mph it would be Alligator Alley and the Turnpike between Fort Pierce and St. Cloud.  Maybe part of I-10 could be, but that would do it.

Did the 75 mph increase mean that the rural arterials that are 4 lanes or more could be 70 mph?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on May 14, 2014, 07:27:05 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 14, 2014, 07:16:39 PM
If it were able to have 75 mph it would be Alligator Alley and the Turnpike between Fort Pierce and St. Cloud.  Maybe part of I-10 could be, but that would do it.

Did the 75 mph increase mean that the rural arterials that are 4 lanes or more could be 70 mph?
That was the intent of the Bill.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 14, 2014, 07:32:01 PM
So that would have meant that US 19 in Levy, Citrus, and Taylor Counties would benefit for 70 mph as well.  Maybe that may be the compromise for an override that the bill do away with 75, but raise to 70 on the arterials if the fight gets put up.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 14, 2014, 11:02:15 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 14, 2014, 07:16:39 PM
If it were able to have 75 mph it would be Alligator Alley and the Turnpike between Fort Pierce and St. Cloud.  Maybe part of I-10 could be, but that would do it.

Did the 75 mph increase mean that the rural arterials that are 4 lanes or more could be 70 mph?

I-95 between Daytona and SR-528 is another good candidate for 75, as was I-95 between Palm Bay and West Palm.

There are a bunch of rural dual carriageway highways in Central a Florida that are currently signed 65 that would have been good candidates for 70. US-192, SR-520, and SR-50 east of Bithlo all immediately come to mind.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 14, 2014, 11:46:22 PM
I would think that the SR 417 would become 70 as that is 65 at present, and that could be legally 70 as its a freeway.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on May 15, 2014, 12:30:59 AM
All of I-10 between Exits 31 and 192, with the exception of maybe at the Apalachicola River, should be posted at 75 MPH. Most specifically the stretch along the northern periphery of Eglin AFB with just the three interchanges. Traffic counts in NW FL are the lowest in the FL I-system as well, making 75 MPH easier to accommodate.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 15, 2014, 11:18:30 AM
I hope they override his veto.  This is somewhat good to have that 75 mph on some of these freeways.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: stormwatch7721 on May 16, 2014, 02:31:34 PM
I'm glad Gov. Rick Scott vetoed it because drivers might have a hard time getting on the interstates and end up getting into a car wreck.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 16, 2014, 02:43:48 PM
Quote from: stormwatch7721 on May 16, 2014, 02:31:34 PM
I'm glad Gov. Rick Scott vetoed it because drivers might have a hard time getting on the interstates and end up getting into a car wreck.

maybe those people shouldn't try to merge doing 20...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on May 16, 2014, 10:13:13 PM
quote from formulanone:
QuoteIn other news...love bug month means road trips suck until Memorial Day.

Lovebugs? I'm guessing those are the ones that are always having sex while flying, and that make a white splat on your windshield.
I just got back from Florida; and those are bad all the way to Louisiana.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 16, 2014, 10:31:52 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on May 16, 2014, 10:13:13 PM
quote from formulanone:
QuoteIn other news...love bug month means road trips suck until Memorial Day.

Lovebugs? I'm guessing those are the ones that are always having sex while flying, and that make a white splat on your windshield.
I just got back from Florida; and those are bad all the way to Louisiana.

Yep, that's them. Every May and every September for three weeks. Scrub them off your car quick because their acidic carcasses can mar your paint.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 17, 2014, 08:37:31 AM
That is what happens when man tries to create the perfect bug.
Title: Florida
Post by: formulanone on May 17, 2014, 09:48:32 AM
Except they migrated to Florida, like many other species of animals...the rest is folklore.

I carry a razor blade on a handle when driving through Florida's rural areas, because it's the only thing that completely cleans them off windshields. And they're quite putrid, too.

If you wax your car's front end just before driving around, they clean off much easier.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 17, 2014, 09:50:46 AM
I do not know what their history is, I just know they serve no useful purpose to anything.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on May 17, 2014, 03:38:23 PM
New CR 437 sign installed by FDOT Oct 2013. It replaced an oversized CR sign. Strange that FDOT installed a non-cutout CR sign

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FFlorida2014121_zpse7b04532.jpg&hash=d0f00e82d21cac0cb6e5e378666860190a52f2c7) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/Florida2014121_zpse7b04532.jpg.html)

18x18 CR 535 sign NB at Winter Garden City Limits. The markings on the back say FDOT, which is strange, 'cause this should have nothing to do with FDOT. It replaced an old oversized sign.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FFlorida2014109_zps1402a1ed.jpg&hash=6ac18170c213cf1bf55abc8d38119d1dd632fb3e) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/Florida2014109_zps1402a1ed.jpg.html)

Strange gas station close to the above sign. I'm wondering if they designed it like this to appease rich snobs that though a normal station would be too ugly for their fancy asses.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FFlorida2014112_zpsb5a85e5b.jpg&hash=dc5906a329ad5ffe01ecdb51bd9db0c1495bd07d) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/Florida2014112_zpsb5a85e5b.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: lamsalfl on May 17, 2014, 10:59:44 PM
So having a lot of money automatically makes you a snob?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on May 17, 2014, 11:03:54 PM
They probably have to keep the appearances of all structures within the same local architectural standards; not too many colors nor logos, signs kept to a minimum of size and height.

If anything, it's rare you see completely uncovered gas pumps, although my guess is that they're diesel pumps.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on May 17, 2014, 11:42:45 PM
It's also rare to see fuel pumps that close to a store front.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: countyguy on May 18, 2014, 03:10:42 PM
The fuel pumps aren't under shelter?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on May 18, 2014, 04:53:30 PM
Usually you do not see unprotected pumps anymore.  It was common when I was small in the 1960s and 1970s, but very rare today.  Only station I know of that has no canope over the pumps is an old station on North Powerline Road on the Fort Lauderdale/Pompano Beach line in south Florida.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 18, 2014, 08:05:49 PM
That station, BTW, is around the corner from my sister's house.  What I find strange is the fact that the pump filling bay is actually a parking space in that particular 7 Eleven.  There is one more odd 7 Eleven on Colonial Drive in Orlando at Magnolia Avenue.  This one has a fancy facade around the outdoor pump area that gives it the illusion from the street that the whole 7 Eleven property is a "Store Front" of the two intersecting streets with its walls up against the sidewalk typical of a Downtown area. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Orlando,+FL/@28.553131,-81.377106,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sfu9q1OJzulOSP5VD2yJztQ!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x88e773d8fecdbc77:0xac3b2063ca5bf9e

Also, being my sis lives near this station, I can tell you its nothing about the class of people living there.  The Hess Station north of SR 429, is a normal gas station that is about one half mile to the north near the Winter Garden Village shopping center. https://www.google.com/maps/@28.522022,-81.587639,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1skPhZUBLZdNlf8NJJ4YkrZQ!2e0
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on May 18, 2014, 08:37:19 PM
I think Brian has found one the oddest gas stations...parking lot-style pumps (pull in and then back out?), oddball facade (although there's some stations in Boca Raton that might qualify), and unprotected/unsheltered modern pumps.

The only time I've seen the first instance is for electric car charging stations. The second reason seems like bad design, since drivers usually line up behind the pump they want to use next. And the third thing just seems to leave itself exposed to accidents, or at least, rust and decay.

Overall, I can't say I've seen anything like it anywhere.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: brownpelican on May 18, 2014, 08:59:25 PM
They haven't been that bad over here in Louisiana.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on May 21, 2014, 12:58:01 AM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FFlorida2014056_zps6087a48d.jpg&hash=57bae78760c3aeb370aadd140512bd48b00420c1) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/Florida2014056_zps6087a48d.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 21, 2014, 01:22:42 PM
FDOT is planning to change the Viera Road overpass over I-95 into a diverging diamond interchange, the first in Florida. This will significantly help with traffic at the two adjacent interchanges. Of course the NIMBY crowd is out in full force, and the old folks have decided that the DDI is a scary death trap (like the nearby Viera roundabout) and are trying to fight that design also.

http://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/local/2014/05/20/viera-residents-concerned-about-i-95-interchange/9356683/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on May 21, 2014, 02:07:27 PM
It will be interesting to see which DDI (if built) gets done first as the one along I-75 at University Parkway (Sarasota/Manatee County line) is also slowly moving along in planning and funding. Officials there are touting it as being the first in the state and are wanting it done in 2017.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on May 21, 2014, 07:59:04 PM
Spotted this "partial cutout" just south of FL 50 on I-95 southbound...It's not the best-looking one, but possibly the first new one in 20 years:

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2934/14260892813_652de0955d_b.jpg)

Here's how they usually look:

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2924/14054436347_71a3db84a8_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on May 22, 2014, 12:06:32 AM
Quote(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2924/14054436347_71a3db84a8_b.jpg)

This really is a nice picture. perfectly straight, construction on the left, signs, and a truck mentioning the Miami Heat. Well Done.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: lepidopteran on May 22, 2014, 06:36:18 PM
New BGSs in Miami for the port tunnel.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmediad.publicbroadcasting.net%2Fp%2Fwlrn%2Ffiles%2F201404%2FPIC_-_One_Redacted_Sign.jpg&hash=6713100bfa0d83222ad2c3385e9cdda8c1ddf18f)

When this article was written, the signs were "redacted", i.e., blacked-over to prevent confusion.  It should be open now.
http://wlrn.org/post/what-s-redacted-signs-i-95-and-395 (http://wlrn.org/post/what-s-redacted-signs-i-95-and-395)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 22, 2014, 06:44:34 PM
what is "ABCDEFG"? 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on May 22, 2014, 07:51:03 PM
^ I presume they're Variable Message Signs.

Just "guess" - I took these back in March, and I thought the billboard arrangement was perfect...

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F03%2FGuessBillboad-FL836eToInt95-FL887blackout.jpg&hash=3b16c62894007a5a8746c4da332798ce9f1fb432)

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I wonder if passenger cars will be able to clinch SR 887...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 23, 2014, 02:56:01 AM
Quote from: formulanone on May 22, 2014, 07:51:03 PM
I wonder if passenger cars will be able to clinch SR 887...

I think people should be able to as long as it ends @ the cruse ship access.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on May 23, 2014, 02:59:18 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on May 23, 2014, 02:56:01 AM
Quote from: formulanone on May 22, 2014, 07:51:03 PM
I wonder if passenger cars will be able to clinch SR 887...

I think people should be able to as long as it ends @ the cruse ship access.

Yes, when I clinched SR 886 (back in 2009), I was allowed to turn around at Australia Way. The tunnels connect further west of there.

Edit: Still waiting for the Straight-Line Diagrams to be updated with it.....
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on May 23, 2014, 08:33:53 AM
886 isn't difficult, and it's accessible to all. I thought the tunnel might only be for trucks, but I guess not.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on May 23, 2014, 08:51:54 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 17, 2014, 08:37:31 AM
That is what happens when man tries to create the perfect bug.

That's an urban legend. FWIW, the love bugs have finally started to die down over the last week.

Quote from: formulanone on May 22, 2014, 07:51:03 PM
^ I presume they're Variable Message Signs.

<snip>
Just "guess" - I took these back in March, and I thought the billboard arrangement was perfect...
I wonder if passenger cars will be able to clinch SR 887...


They had an opening ceremony on Monday, but the tunnel is not actually open to motorists yet...

Opening ceremony for Miami port tunnel (http://www.wsvn.com/story/25551582/opening-ceremony-for-miami-port-tunnel)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on May 23, 2014, 09:12:58 AM
Quote from: realjd on May 21, 2014, 01:22:42 PM
FDOT is planning to change the Viera Road overpass over I-95 into a diverging diamond interchange, the first in Florida. This will significantly help with traffic at the two adjacent interchanges. Of course the NIMBY crowd is out in full force, and the old folks have decided that the DDI is a scary death trap (like the nearby Viera roundabout) and are trying to fight that design also.

http://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/local/2014/05/20/viera-residents-concerned-about-i-95-interchange/9356683/

Heh. My sister-in-law is terrified of that roundabout after a near-miss with some old fart who didn't yield. If she wants to go to the Super Target on Wickham Road, she goes across I-95 on Viera Boulevard, down Murrell Road to Wickham, and then back under I-95 to the store, even though it takes a lot longer than just going straight down Stadium Parkway (she lives near the new Publix at the corner of Stadium Parkway and Viera Boulevard). When we're down there in a few weeks I'll have to ask her what she thinks of this proposal, if she even knows about it!

(I, naturally, drive her crazy whenever we visit because I go through the roundabout every chance I get.)

The idea of taking pressure off the Wickham Road interchange, in particular, makes some sense. I don't understand the fear of the diverging diamond. If anything, for the average American driver it ought to be less "complicated" than a roundabout because you still have traffic lights ordering you around–that is, the roundabout requires you to stop when necessary to yield but relies on you to understand when that is, whereas the DDI tells you when to stop.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 23, 2014, 10:54:15 AM
^^^
There was an article a few years ago about how that roundabout is one of the safest intersections in the county. Lots of folks have no clue how to drive in it (especially common is turning left from the right lane) but the confusion makes everyone drive defensively. Accidents are surprisingly rare.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on June 01, 2014, 08:52:54 PM
Why is there a little sand pile next to every mile marker on I-10 in the FL Panhandle?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on June 02, 2014, 10:43:00 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on June 01, 2014, 08:52:54 PM
Why is there a little sand pile next to every mile marker on I-10 in the FL Panhandle?
Fire ants?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: New to Seattle on June 03, 2014, 03:19:31 AM
Quote from: realjd on May 23, 2014, 10:54:15 AM
^^^
There was an article a few years ago about how that roundabout is one of the safest intersections in the county. Lots of folks have no clue how to drive in it (especially common is turning left from the right lane) but the confusion makes everyone drive defensively. Accidents are surprisingly rare.

Well, that and the fact that unless someone's just gunning for the middle of the roundabout, which is absurd, cars can't broadside other cars. The traffic should all be facing the same way if there's a collision, which is much less serious.

Alas, in Seattle they've gone crazy with these puny little roundabouts on residential streets that are barely wide enough to force traffic to turn the steering wheel. It's still a huge improvement over the uncontrolled intersection, which I don't recall ever seeing (except maybe some dirt road) before moving here.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on June 03, 2014, 10:27:01 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on June 01, 2014, 08:52:54 PM
Why is there a little sand pile next to every mile marker on I-10 in the FL Panhandle?

They are currently adding ITS to Interstate 10 between Santa Rosa and Gadsden. It may be related to that.

http://www.worldfiber.com/custom_type/fdot-district-3-10-intelligent-transportation-system-design-build/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 06, 2014, 11:47:29 AM
I was just shooting the breeze with a gentleman yesterday who remembers US 192 before it was extended to US 27.  He says the old FL 530 that was US 192 west of its parent, was not a straight road, but a bunch of other roadways that were two lanes wide.

He says Vine stopped at the west end of Kissimmee near Hoagland Boulevard.  I am guessing that he meant at what is now Old Vineland Road.  It evident that it was an old road hence its name and looping to and from US 192, so I assume that he was talking about the right turn at the end of Vine Street being at present day US 192 and Old Vineland/ Bass Road intersection near Wal Mart.  Then he mentioned another left along the way, which I must assume that it was at 535.  I  know the current US 192 and FL 535 intersection is a relocated one as the previous for sure was just east of its current spot and was a wye split.  You can see FL 535 NB ahead of you on WB US 192 before the curve just east of the 535 intersection.

It is so awesome to talk about roads with non road geeks and what their memories recall of old times before today's expanded road network.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on June 06, 2014, 12:08:09 PM
QuoteHe says Vine stopped at the west end of Kissimmee near Hoagland Boulevard
sounds like he was referring to the street name Vine, which is given to the road only in Kissimmee. He could have bee trying to say that the road was only referred to as Vine as far west as Hogland, but continued on west as SR S-530. That's what the maps show.

Using the old General Highway Maps on UF's Library Website, and Historic Aerials; you can see all of this. The are even topos on Historic Aerials that show the straightening and widening underway. There is some abandoned pavement near Lindfields Blvd from one of the old bends.
https://maps.google.com/?ll=28.346303,-81.638838&spn=0.000827,0.001549&t=h&z=20 (https://maps.google.com/?ll=28.346303,-81.638838&spn=0.000827,0.001549&t=h&z=20)
Of course, there was the old ACL RR that crossed SR S-530 on the W side of Kissimmee; but topos show a second one in the Disney area that was partially covered by CR 474, it continued east, then turned south crossing SR S-530 (now US 192) just W of Word Dr. I don't know the dates for it's existence and removal.

There is a pic on the AA Roads Shield Gallery of the overheads on WB US 192 at US 441/17/92 that has an S-530 straight ahead sign on it.

I do have some memories of US 192 from about 1990-91 when my father lived in Indian Wells. It was four lane divided rural. Most signs had already changed to black/white, but there were still a few green ones around. The street name signs said "SR 192", which really annoyed me, because I was 10-11 at the time and was already smarter than the adult that made them.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 06, 2014, 01:15:34 PM
I do not know as he was a non road geek, but Old Vineland across from Wal Mart and on the corner where the Wawa is now was once an alignment of S-530 probably when Old Tampa Highway was US 17-92 before OBT was constructed. 

Part of the old RR Grade you speak might of been the one that is now MLK Boulevard to the south of present day US 192.

I do know where the original US 192 and SR 535 intersection was and is visible today just west of the Target where US 192 curves to straighten out.  At night you can see the signals along 535 ahead of you along with the Buena Vista Palace on the horizon ahead of you after you pass that mini mall.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on June 07, 2014, 02:51:50 PM
In the Orlando area, on the north side of the Rock Springs Nature Preserve, what is going to happen to SR 46 once Wekiva Pkwy/Toll 429 is built?

Will it be frontage roads like SR 84 is to I-595; or remain a separate parallel road?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 07, 2014, 03:55:43 PM
I think the plan I have seen years back was that 46 would be frontage roads for 429.

As far as US 192 goes, I checked out the area of 192 and 535 on the way to work yesterday, and the old 535 is still drivable near Target.  The pavement still is in tact but severed from US 192 accessible via a connector road.  The old 192/535 intersection is just at the end of the Target Shopping Center going toward Old Town and Celebration.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on June 09, 2014, 06:07:59 PM
Passed through Chiefland yesterday.  The 19/98/Alt 27s were picked clean a couple of years ago, but the lone brown US 129 was left alone.  Not anymore.   :angry:

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Before (a pic from Dec 2008)

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After (a pic from 08 June 2014)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on June 09, 2014, 10:14:29 PM
Quote from: mefailenglish on June 09, 2014, 06:07:59 PM
Passed through Chiefland yesterday.  The 19/98/Alt 27s were picked clean a couple of years ago, but the lone brown US 129 was left alone.  Not anymore.   :angry:


Ugh, that means that there are no Brown and Orange colored shields left in the state (I'd count that odd 27/41 pair you found as "red").
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 10, 2014, 01:36:25 PM
So was Brickell Ave turned over to Miami?  Is the signing chagned in the area?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on June 10, 2014, 11:00:25 PM
I think I've found a forgotten numbered State/County Road in Orange County FL. Topo maps on Historic Aerials show that the road leading into the Rock Springs Run State Preserve as SR S-433. Google Maps show it to be CR 433, though I have no idea if that's true. I kinds have doubts about that. This road is not listed on the Wikipedia "List Of County Roads in Orange County, Florida".
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on June 12, 2014, 01:32:11 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on June 10, 2014, 11:00:25 PM
I think I've found a forgotten numbered State/County Road in Orange County FL. Topo maps on Historic Aerials show that the road leading into the Rock Springs Run State Preserve as SR S-433. Google Maps show it to be CR 433, though I have no idea if that's true. I kinds have doubts about that. This road is not listed on the Wikipedia "List Of County Roads in Orange County, Florida".

It is shown on Lake County highway maps as CR 433, but it was most likely not signed anymore after becoming a County Road. It ends at the Lake/Orange County Line at a gate, so it never entered Orange County https://www.google.com/maps/@28.786268,-81.4500717,431m/data=!3m1!1e3 .......but there are 'planning' maps (using that term loosely!) that show 'plans' for S-433 to both snake north to at least SR 44 and be a straight shot south to Bear Lake Road
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 12, 2014, 01:55:29 PM
Was Dallas Boulevard in Eastern Orange County ever part of historic SR 13?  Also the road the Lockheed Martin has to the south of Dallas that leads to that weird looking air strip several miles to the south of the FL 528 ever also part of that road as well?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Henry on June 12, 2014, 04:38:16 PM
Quote from: mefailenglish on June 02, 2014, 10:43:00 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on June 01, 2014, 08:52:54 PM
Why is there a little sand pile next to every mile marker on I-10 in the FL Panhandle?
Fire ants?
This should be interesting! Anyone have a photo of that?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on June 12, 2014, 06:04:41 PM
Quote from: Henry on June 12, 2014, 04:38:16 PM
Quote from: mefailenglish on June 02, 2014, 10:43:00 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on June 01, 2014, 08:52:54 PM
Why is there a little sand pile next to every mile marker on I-10 in the FL Panhandle?
Fire ants?
This should be interesting! Anyone have a photo of that?
Yep.  As luck would happen, I passed through this area a few days ago.  Definitely not fire ants.  Like Alex said upstream:
Quote from: Alex on June 03, 2014, 10:27:01 AM
They are currently adding ITS to Interstate 10 between Santa Rosa and Gadsden. It may be related to that.

http://www.worldfiber.com/custom_type/fdot-district-3-10-intelligent-transportation-system-design-build/
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Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on June 18, 2014, 06:08:57 PM
#WelcometoBroward on Twitter generated this amusing picture, but no idea what street it is.

edit: Apparently it's in Lauderhill.

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Title: Re: Florida
Post by: brickbuilder711 on June 18, 2014, 09:38:34 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 10, 2014, 01:36:25 PM
So was Brickell Ave turned over to Miami?  Is the signing chagned in the area?
Should have been, but when I biked in the vicinity back in March, I am not sure if the trailblazer changed, but the backlit illuminated signs at SE 26th Rd traffic light still said US-1.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 19, 2014, 12:40:22 AM
Quote from: formulanone on May 17, 2014, 11:03:54 PM
They probably have to keep the appearances of all structures within the same local architectural standards; not too many colors nor logos, signs kept to a minimum of size and height.
A block west of the Florida Hospital SunRail station on Florida SR 438 there's a 7-11 surrounded by walls for the same reasons.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on June 20, 2014, 08:32:19 AM
Quote from: Alex on May 23, 2014, 08:51:54 AM

They had an opening ceremony on Monday, but the tunnel is not actually open to motorists yet...

Opening ceremony for Miami port tunnel (http://www.wsvn.com/story/25551582/opening-ceremony-for-miami-port-tunnel)

PortMiami tunnel delayed another 4-6 weeks (http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/06/18/4186835/portmiami-tunnel-to-remain-closed.html)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 23, 2014, 11:57:19 AM
http://www.i4poincianaconnector.com/about-the-study.shtm

Here is a link to the plan of construction for Osceola County, FL proposed Kissimmee- St Cloud Beltway system.

Also activity is well underway between US 17 & 92 at Loughman, FL eastward into Osceola County's latest boom.  I saw some of it just recently, and it looks good.  I have not checked it out from the other end as it will connect to Magnolia Avenue in Poinciana which from what the map shows is being modified to accomodate it.

What is interesting is that the road is planned to be bridged.  I am guessing that is how the environmentalists allowed the road to be built next to Reedy Creek is to be like I-10 in LA is west of Baton Rouge.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on July 09, 2014, 12:19:03 PM
We've got two new state roads.

SR 925 comprises of both NW 3rd Court from NW 8th St to Flagler Ave (0.506 miles), and NW 3rd Ave from Flagler Ave to north of NW 8th St at the I-95 on-ramps (0.565 miles)

SR 960 is NW 14th St from east of NW 37th Ave (SR 836 off ramp) to 42nd Court (0.671)

US 1/SR 5 has been officially transferred off of Brickell on June 20th.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on July 10, 2014, 01:12:23 AM
Quote from: florida on July 09, 2014, 12:19:03 PM
We've got two new state roads.

SR 925 comprises of both NW 3rd Court from NW 8th St to Flagler Ave (0.506 miles), and NW 3rd Ave from Flagler Ave to north of NW 8th St at the I-95 on-ramps (0.565 miles)

SR 960 is NW 14th St from east of NW 37th Ave (SR 836 off ramp) to 42nd Court (0.671)

US 1/SR 5 has been officially transferred off of Brickell on June 20th.

I guess FDOT's attempt to adopt a road for SR 968 was a bust.

Did FDOT keep SR 970 for the Downtown Distributor or did they just delete the route now that SR 5 runs over the whole road?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on July 10, 2014, 11:08:57 AM
Quote from: emory on July 10, 2014, 01:12:23 AM
Did FDOT keep SR 970 for the Downtown Distributor or did they just delete the route now that SR 5 runs over the whole road?

I am not completely sure, but it most likely will be kept as SR 970 (and the two shields will probably remain standing). They'll probably do some patch-up signage of US 1 along the route like they did with US 17 & SR 228 in Jax.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on July 14, 2014, 03:01:21 PM
I saw a red US-1 shield out in the wild at the Port of Miami a few days ago:
https://www.google.com/maps/@25.778263,-80.178467,3a,75y,209.33h,73.75t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sLwD25gfw0vgdjKtgGnjOZg!2e0

It's clearly not an FDOT sign but what's interesting is that it looks fairly new.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on July 14, 2014, 03:09:56 PM
quote from realjd:
QuoteI saw a red US-1 shield out in the wild at the Port of Miami a few days ago:
https://www.google.com/maps/@25.778263,-80.178467,3a,75y,209.33h,73.75t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sLwD25gfw0vgdjKtgGnjOZg!2e0

It's clearly not an FDOT sign but what's interesting is that it looks fairly new.

And, as an added bonus, Interstate FLORIDA 95. It's interesting that they could "FLORIDA" in the Interstate shield, and get it looking right, but use such a lousy font for the "EXIT TO CITY" text.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 14, 2014, 10:03:26 PM
Quote from: florida on July 09, 2014, 12:19:03 PM
We've got two new state roads.

SR 925 comprises of both NW 3rd Court from NW 8th St to Flagler Ave (0.506 miles), and NW 3rd Ave from Flagler Ave to north of NW 8th St at the I-95 on-ramps (0.565 miles)

SR 960 is NW 14th St from east of NW 37th Ave (SR 836 off ramp) to 42nd Court (0.671)

US 1/SR 5 has been officially transferred off of Brickell on June 20th.

Any news if new signs are up yet for the US-1 re-route?  I'm kinda hoping they will also finally re-post US-41 back to the beaches since the update log on the change file submitted to the AASHTO still acknowledges that the end is out there still.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on July 14, 2014, 11:55:11 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 14, 2014, 10:03:26 PM
Quote from: florida on July 09, 2014, 12:19:03 PM
We've got two new state roads.

SR 925 comprises of both NW 3rd Court from NW 8th St to Flagler Ave (0.506 miles), and NW 3rd Ave from Flagler Ave to north of NW 8th St at the I-95 on-ramps (0.565 miles)

SR 960 is NW 14th St from east of NW 37th Ave (SR 836 off ramp) to 42nd Court (0.671)

US 1/SR 5 has been officially transferred off of Brickell on June 20th.

Any news if new signs are up yet for the US-1 re-route?  I'm kinda hoping they will also finally re-post US-41 back to the beaches since the update log on the change file submitted to the AASHTO still acknowledges that the end is out there still.

As of last weekend, US1 is still signed on Brickell.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on July 15, 2014, 12:49:02 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 14, 2014, 10:03:26 PM
Quote from: florida on July 09, 2014, 12:19:03 PM
We've got two new state roads.

SR 925 comprises of both NW 3rd Court from NW 8th St to Flagler Ave (0.506 miles), and NW 3rd Ave from Flagler Ave to north of NW 8th St at the I-95 on-ramps (0.565 miles)

SR 960 is NW 14th St from east of NW 37th Ave (SR 836 off ramp) to 42nd Court (0.671)

US 1/SR 5 has been officially transferred off of Brickell on June 20th.

Any news if new signs are up yet for the US-1 re-route?  I'm kinda hoping they will also finally re-post US-41 back to the beaches since the update log on the change file submitted to the AASHTO still acknowledges that the end is out there still.

I think you can dash your hopes for that right now.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 15, 2014, 05:48:02 PM
It is is in the route log just ask them to sign it.  I would cc a copy to the committee that oversees the work of FDOT as well.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on July 15, 2014, 11:46:59 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on July 14, 2014, 03:09:56 PM
And, as an added bonus, Interstate FLORIDA 95. It's interesting that they could "FLORIDA" in the Interstate shield, and get it looking right, but use such a lousy font for the "EXIT TO CITY" text.

For Miami-Dade County, that's a "Best Of" sign. Usually, they'll use some sort of Arial or something stretched/compressed and call it a day.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on July 16, 2014, 03:17:42 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 15, 2014, 05:48:02 PM
It is is in the route log just ask them to sign it.  I would cc a copy to the committee that oversees the work of FDOT as well.

As far as FDOT is concerned, US 41 ends at US 1. I don't really see the point of slapping another sign on an already signed route anyway.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on July 16, 2014, 04:17:57 AM
At least one mention of US 1 on Brickell had been greened out by April 2014 (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=25.771682,-80.189649&spn=0.003449,0.006196&gl=us&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=25.771678,-80.190733&panoid=qlvcei65IvrIM3OACYEgZQ&cbp=12,101.07,,0,5.3) (compare to July 2013 (http://www3.dot.state.fl.us/videologsource2/13687001/A87006000E/I_00127.jpg)). The contradictory sign pointing Biscayne Boulevard straight (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=25.771624,-80.191103&spn=0.003469,0.006196&gl=us&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=25.771639,-80.190981&panoid=tfIu_C9Arg7X8m1c4qGx0w&cbp=12,74.2,,0,0), immediately before these overheads, was still present in April. As were other signs pointing US 1 south along Brickell (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=25.771678,-80.190732&spn=0.003469,0.006196&gl=us&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=25.771266,-80.190119&panoid=QTvIpSD_V_O0F8gP5DnSiQ&cbp=12,155.87,,0,2.62). I expect a quarter-ass job like US 17/SR 228 in Jax. Although the number of new shields required (as opposed to covering or removing old shields) is only four: northbound pointing left onto I-95, then pointing left where SR 970 splits, southbound pointing right onto SR 970, and pointing left onto I-95 south. And the Rickenbacker needs US 1 north added to the I-95 north signs. If they even do that I'll be impressed. I'll shitell a brickell if US 41 signage is added into downtown. And I'll pee buckets of cum if the ramps from US 41 to I-95 get US 1 shields.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 16, 2014, 06:24:05 AM
Quote from: NE2 on July 16, 2014, 04:17:57 AM
At least one mention of US 1 on Brickell had been greened out by April 2014 (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=25.771682,-80.189649&spn=0.003449,0.006196&gl=us&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=25.771678,-80.190733&panoid=qlvcei65IvrIM3OACYEgZQ&cbp=12,101.07,,0,5.3) (compare to July 2013 (http://www3.dot.state.fl.us/videologsource2/13687001/A87006000E/I_00127.jpg)). The contradictory sign pointing Biscayne Boulevard straight (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=25.771624,-80.191103&spn=0.003469,0.006196&gl=us&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=25.771639,-80.190981&panoid=tfIu_C9Arg7X8m1c4qGx0w&cbp=12,74.2,,0,0), immediately before these overheads, was still present in April. As were other signs pointing US 1 south along Brickell (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=25.771678,-80.190732&spn=0.003469,0.006196&gl=us&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=25.771266,-80.190119&panoid=QTvIpSD_V_O0F8gP5DnSiQ&cbp=12,155.87,,0,2.62). I expect a quarter-ass job like US 17/SR 228 in Jax. Although the number of new shields required (as opposed to covering or removing old shields) is only four: northbound pointing left onto I-95, then pointing left where SR 970 splits, southbound pointing right onto SR 970, and pointing left onto I-95 south. And the Rickenbacker needs US 1 north added to the I-95 north signs. If they even do that I'll be impressed. I'll shitell a brickell if US 41 signage is added into downtown. And I'll pee buckets of cum if the ramps from US 41 to I-95 get US 1 shields.

Welcome back.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mapmikey on July 16, 2014, 06:36:52 AM
With the update of GMSV I can now prove I wasn't hallucinating when I saw SB Brickell below 8th posted as US 41 South when I visited Miami in February...

http://goo.gl/maps/O5tkU

A quick tour on the updated GMSV shows only US 1 shields on Brickell in the Key Biscayne area.

Mapmikey
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on July 16, 2014, 07:59:43 AM

Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 16, 2014, 06:24:05 AM
Quote from: NE2 on July 16, 2014, 04:17:57 AM
At least one mention of US 1 on Brickell had been greened out by April 2014 (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=25.771682,-80.189649&spn=0.003449,0.006196&gl=us&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=25.771678,-80.190733&panoid=qlvcei65IvrIM3OACYEgZQ&cbp=12,101.07,,0,5.3) (compare to July 2013 (http://www3.dot.state.fl.us/videologsource2/13687001/A87006000E/I_00127.jpg)). The contradictory sign pointing Biscayne Boulevard straight (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=25.771624,-80.191103&spn=0.003469,0.006196&gl=us&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=25.771639,-80.190981&panoid=tfIu_C9Arg7X8m1c4qGx0w&cbp=12,74.2,,0,0), immediately before these overheads, was still present in April. As were other signs pointing US 1 south along Brickell (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=25.771678,-80.190732&spn=0.003469,0.006196&gl=us&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=25.771266,-80.190119&panoid=QTvIpSD_V_O0F8gP5DnSiQ&cbp=12,155.87,,0,2.62). I expect a quarter-ass job like US 17/SR 228 in Jax. Although the number of new shields required (as opposed to covering or removing old shields) is only four: northbound pointing left onto I-95, then pointing left where SR 970 splits, southbound pointing right onto SR 970, and pointing left onto I-95 south. And the Rickenbacker needs US 1 north added to the I-95 north signs. If they even do that I'll be impressed. I'll shitell a brickell if US 41 signage is added into downtown. And I'll pee buckets of cum if the ramps from US 41 to I-95 get US 1 shields.

Welcome back.

Welcome, indeed!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Zeffy on July 16, 2014, 10:57:56 AM
Quote from: NE2 on July 16, 2014, 04:17:57 AM
At least one mention of US 1 on Brickell had been greened out by April 2014 (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=25.771682,-80.189649&spn=0.003449,0.006196&gl=us&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=25.771678,-80.190733&panoid=qlvcei65IvrIM3OACYEgZQ&cbp=12,101.07,,0,5.3) (compare to July 2013 (http://www3.dot.state.fl.us/videologsource2/13687001/A87006000E/I_00127.jpg)). The contradictory sign pointing Biscayne Boulevard straight (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=25.771624,-80.191103&spn=0.003469,0.006196&gl=us&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=25.771639,-80.190981&panoid=tfIu_C9Arg7X8m1c4qGx0w&cbp=12,74.2,,0,0), immediately before these overheads, was still present in April. As were other signs pointing US 1 south along Brickell (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=25.771678,-80.190732&spn=0.003469,0.006196&gl=us&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=25.771266,-80.190119&panoid=QTvIpSD_V_O0F8gP5DnSiQ&cbp=12,155.87,,0,2.62). I expect a quarter-ass job like US 17/SR 228 in Jax. Although the number of new shields required (as opposed to covering or removing old shields) is only four: northbound pointing left onto I-95, then pointing left where SR 970 splits, southbound pointing right onto SR 970, and pointing left onto I-95 south. And the Rickenbacker needs US 1 north added to the I-95 north signs. If they even do that I'll be impressed. I'll shitell a brickell if US 41 signage is added into downtown. And I'll pee buckets of cum if the ramps from US 41 to I-95 get US 1 shields.

Don't call it a comeback... so I'll just call it what it is: Welcome back NE2!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on July 16, 2014, 01:01:47 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on July 16, 2014, 06:36:52 AM
With the update of GMSV I can now prove I wasn't hallucinating when I saw SB Brickell below 8th posted as US 41 South when I visited Miami in February...

http://goo.gl/maps/O5tkU

Which is an error by FDOT, as it's on the relinquished road that now belongs to the city. I did notice all the new Brickell Av overhead signs that replaced the old Brickell Avenue/US 1 signs.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: amroad17 on July 16, 2014, 11:51:15 PM
Quote from: NE2 on July 16, 2014, 04:17:57 AM
At least one mention of US 1 on Brickell had been greened out by April 2014 (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=25.771682,-80.189649&spn=0.003449,0.006196&gl=us&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=25.771678,-80.190733&panoid=qlvcei65IvrIM3OACYEgZQ&cbp=12,101.07,,0,5.3) (compare to July 2013 (http://www3.dot.state.fl.us/videologsource2/13687001/A87006000E/I_00127.jpg)). The contradictory sign pointing Biscayne Boulevard straight (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=25.771624,-80.191103&spn=0.003469,0.006196&gl=us&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=25.771639,-80.190981&panoid=tfIu_C9Arg7X8m1c4qGx0w&cbp=12,74.2,,0,0), immediately before these overheads, was still present in April. As were other signs pointing US 1 south along Brickell (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=25.771678,-80.190732&spn=0.003469,0.006196&gl=us&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=25.771266,-80.190119&panoid=QTvIpSD_V_O0F8gP5DnSiQ&cbp=12,155.87,,0,2.62). I expect a quarter-ass job like US 17/SR 228 in Jax. Although the number of new shields required (as opposed to covering or removing old shields) is only four: northbound pointing left onto I-95, then pointing left where SR 970 splits, southbound pointing right onto SR 970, and pointing left onto I-95 south. And the Rickenbacker needs US 1 north added to the I-95 north signs. If they even do that I'll be impressed. I'll shitell a brickell if US 41 signage is added into downtown. And I'll pee buckets of cum if the ramps from US 41 to I-95 get US 1 shields.
Good to see your posts again.  Welcome back!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 19, 2014, 02:59:47 PM
Quote from: NE2 on July 16, 2014, 04:17:57 AM
And I'll pee buckets of cum if the ramps from US 41 to I-95 get US 1 shields.

you should probably go to a doctor if that continues for over four hours.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on July 25, 2014, 03:32:31 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F0%2F07%2FSR_39_CR_39_split.JPG%2F640px-SR_39_CR_39_split.JPG&hash=343d28c4ac6e7d885e03014eee0a24b1fc7567d4) (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SR_39_CR_39_split.JPG)
I finally got over to the Alexander Street extension north of Plant City, and signage has been changed in true quarter-ass fashion. The split of old and new is well-signed, with SR 39 using Alexander and CR 39 on Buchman. Signs on I-4 and its C/D roads put SR 39 on Alexander and CR 39 on Buchman. Ground-level signs at I-4 and Alexander, including southbound reassurance, show the latter as SR 39 in both directions (though at least one JCT SR 39A assembly remains on the ramp from I-4 west). But ground-level signs at I-4 and Buchman also show SR 39 going both ways. And no signs south of I-4 have been changed: SR 39 still goes through downtown Plant City, with a temporary truck route, and SR 39A still has an indeterminate end south of SR 574. At least a sign has been installed on Alexander south of downtown pointing SR 39 both ways, so those who continue down Alexander can turn right to stay on SR 39.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on July 26, 2014, 09:04:46 AM
Quote from: mefailenglish on June 20, 2014, 08:32:19 AM
Quote from: Alex on May 23, 2014, 08:51:54 AM

They had an opening ceremony on Monday, but the tunnel is not actually open to motorists yet...

Opening ceremony for Miami port tunnel (http://www.wsvn.com/story/25551582/opening-ceremony-for-miami-port-tunnel)

PortMiami tunnel delayed another 4-6 weeks (http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/06/18/4186835/portmiami-tunnel-to-remain-closed.html)
Two more weeks? (http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/07/24/4252767/miamis-port-tunnel-to-open-in.html)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on July 30, 2014, 10:55:31 AM
http://www.mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2014/6/12/orange_county_homes_.html It looks like that proposed extension of the Osceola Parkway hits a snag with locals.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on July 30, 2014, 06:49:15 PM
QuoteIt looks like that proposed extension of the Osceola Parkway hits a snag with locals.

Interesting. The graphic provided by News 13 is not detailed enough. It looks like Puerta Del Soul was meant to be an extension of Osceola Pkwy, but from the description of them wanting to demolish new homes, that suggests that they want to make it a straight shot east along the county line over to CR 15.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on July 30, 2014, 10:05:19 PM
The latest construction project shows that Osceola Parkway will turn left onto Boggy Creek Road as two left turn lanes have been added EB and a full two lane turn with right turn signal that works with the left turn protection EB at Boggy Creek.  I believe that at the current Boggy Creek Road and Boggy Creek Road intersection it will continue straight across and yes straddle the county line and terminate at the current Boggy Creek and Narcoosee Road intersection.

The spur into MCO I do not know if they will upgrade the current Orange County Boggy Creek Road or just parallel it with another tolled freeway.  I would say that is tough considering all the homes along Boggy Creek Road proper.   Then again many are old and the trend now is to build new modern subdivisions and run out the old originally pre boom days homes like they did elsewhere in the region.

http://www.osceola-parkway.com/project-map-beltway.html#bottom Here is a better map.  Not much, but this one shows it deviating to the west of the current end of Osceola Parkway heading into the county line area.  Then the study area for the airport extension is shown wide around BCR in Orange.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on July 31, 2014, 12:26:19 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 30, 2014, 10:05:19 PM
The latest construction project shows that Osceola Parkway will turn left onto Boggy Creek Road as two left turn lanes have been added EB and a full two lane turn with right turn signal that works with the left turn protection EB at Boggy Creek.
Because they never build double turn lanes unless something bigger is planned.

http://www.osceola-parkway.com/docs/slides%20with%20notes.pdf
Looks like they're going to cut the corner through the vacant lot north of the intersection (http://ira.property-appraiser.org/PropertySearch/?pin=05-25-30-0000-0106-0000).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 01, 2014, 08:34:08 AM
https://www.oocea.com/TravelersExpressways/Expressways/CurrentExpressways/528BeachLine/ConstructionProjects.aspx  The Airport Toll Plaza on FL 528 is coming down permanently.  However its not time to rejoice just yet.  To pick up the slack the West Toll Plaza will charge the missing toll rate lost by this plaza and both Tradeport and FL 482 will be adding ramp toll plazas to and from the east in lieu of it being taken away as well.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on August 01, 2014, 03:33:02 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 01, 2014, 08:34:08 AM
https://www.oocea.com/TravelersExpressways/Expressways/CurrentExpressways/528BeachLine/ConstructionProjects.aspx  The Airport Toll Plaza on FL 528 is coming down permanently.  However its not time to rejoice just yet.  To pick up the slack the West Toll Plaza will charge the missing toll rate lost by this plaza and both Tradeport and FL 482 will be adding ramp toll plazas to and from the east in lieu of it being taken away as well.

And way, way overdue; commuting from Brevard Country to Orlando via the Beachline, that's one of the major bottlenecks.  You do not want to be heading eastbound anywhere from 4-7 in the evenings, traffic will drop from 55-60 to 25-30 at the drop of a hat.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Chris on August 03, 2014, 03:48:55 PM
The Port of Miami Tunnel opened to traffic today;

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/08/03/after-months-of-delays-portmiami-tunnel-finally-open/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on August 14, 2014, 07:45:59 PM
Cool I-4 project video from Orlando Sentinel. I like the way it's done.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/videogallery/74682530/2-1-billion-I-4-makeover-visualized (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/videogallery/74682530/2-1-billion-I-4-makeover-visualized)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 14, 2014, 10:06:30 PM
A full scope of this project (renderings, videos) can be found at www.trans4mation.org (http://www.trans4mation.org), with construction beginning in early 2015. Some right-of-way along I-4 has already been cleared in preparation for the project (like around Exit 80 for U.S. 17-92-441).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 18, 2014, 10:46:18 AM
State to finalize removal of old interstate exit number signs. (http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2014/8/15/old_hwy_signs_to_com.html)

QuoteFDOT spokesperson Kris Carson said safety was the primary reason why the exits were renumbered in 2002.

"We did that for safety reasons, so emergency personnel would be able to get to people quicker and know exactly where people are from the mileposts," she said.
In 2002, there were still maps in circulation with the old numbers, so the state left the old number on the signs.  As various construction projects have started since then, the old exit number signs have been removed.

Today, there are only a few left attached to overhead signs.  They too will eventually become extinct.

QuoteThe state is currently doing an inventory of any remaining old exit number signs and developing a plan to have them removed.

Glad to see that these signs and tabs are FINALLY going to be removed. It's not like its been 12 years since the conversion or anything...lol  :-D
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 18, 2014, 10:59:01 AM
Quote from: NE2 on July 31, 2014, 12:26:19 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 30, 2014, 10:05:19 PM
The latest construction project shows that Osceola Parkway will turn left onto Boggy Creek Road as two left turn lanes have been added EB and a full two lane turn with right turn signal that works with the left turn protection EB at Boggy Creek.
Because they never build double turn lanes unless something bigger is planned.

http://www.osceola-parkway.com/docs/slides%20with%20notes.pdf
Looks like they're going to cut the corner through the vacant lot north of the intersection (http://ira.property-appraiser.org/PropertySearch/?pin=05-25-30-0000-0106-0000).
What would be great is if they made it into something closely resembling an actual parkway... something with interchanges, not like William Floyd Parkway or the Bronx River north of Sprain Brook Parkway.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 18, 2014, 01:52:31 PM
A two-year construction project will be starting late this month for improvements at the Interstate 4 / Florida 559 interchange (Exit 44) in Polk County. The project consists of building a new SR 559 bridge over I-4 (four lane span) and shifting the eastbound lanes of I-4 to the south.

I-4 Project to Be Explained at Meeting on Thursday (http://www.theledger.com/article/20140804/newschief/140809734)

This short article and a road watch guide for Polk County (http://www.theledger.com/article/20140810/NEWS/140819951?p=1&tc=pg) are the only two news articles I have found thus far relating to this project. FDOT does have it listed on their construction contract list page (under Projects or Active Projects link) but there is no actual website listed. See the specifics on this project here (http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/construction/Estimates/ActiveContracts/ActiveDetails.aspx?id=E1K75). Initial leg work began August 11 and will cost over $21.2 million for the improvements. Completion is currently scheduled for 2017.

I had no idea that this project was even going to be happening until I drove by it along westbound I-4 Saturday afternoon, noticing the blue project sign and orange construction signs on the approach.
Title: Florida
Post by: formulanone on August 18, 2014, 04:42:20 PM
I recall that the Old Exit numbers were "supposed" to be replaced in 2004 or so, which seemed like a waste of money and resources. It seems many were removed as new signage is needed, but many still remain.

Of course, that just makes the lone, forgotten Old Exit sign that more interesting...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on August 18, 2014, 06:38:42 PM
As for the exit number signs, I always thought the "OLD 128" wording layout was confusing, because it makes you think "old what"; and the first though that comes to your head is "old highway".
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 19, 2014, 09:31:31 AM
I just got caught off-guard about a public meeting for the Hernando-Citrus MPO that was supposed to start up within a few minutes of this writing.

http://www.hernandocitrusmpo.us/

But those of you who know me, know what kinds of improvements I'd suggest. I'm not the biggest fan of the no-build plans and the phony "smart growth" suggestions, but that doesn't mean all the existing plans are that great either.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on August 22, 2014, 05:52:26 PM
The six laning of US 1 in Cocoa from north of SR 520 to north of the Beachline is still continuing...they've moved all traffic to the former northbound lanes while they widen the southbound carriageway for three lanes.  They're still scheduled to complete it some time in 2015 (and probably not soon enough for the businesses that have already suffered two years of this).

Also, US 1 is being repaved from TICO Airport to SR 528, they haven't started laying asphalt yet but the prep is continuing-and is way, way overdue.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 26, 2014, 08:44:11 AM
Port Manatee connector road may be shelved by FDOT (http://www.bradenton.com/2014/08/26/5322037_port-manatee-connector-road-may.html?sp=/99/100/&rh=1)

QuoteThe Port Manatee Connector, a planned construction project once estimated to cost as much as $328 million, has grown so old on the vine it has ceased to be a priority on state and regional transportation plans.

QuoteThe port and the state began planning the connector to stay ahead of a hoped-for jump in port business. But shortly after starting the project development process six years ago, the economy fell flat. According to state and port officials, so did port traffic levels, which put the project on hold.

QuoteA planning development and environmental study for the connector was scheduled to be finished by next year, but state officials say that won't happen.

"We're kind of at a standoff with them," said port Commissioner Betsy Benac.

Of present concern is the port's ability to obtain up to 272 acres of right of way for the connector, something it can't do without a chosen route or federal funding.

QuoteRobin Stublen, a District 1 FDOT spokesman, said while it is true studies of Port Manatee's traffic don't warrant building a road in addition to those already serving the port, there is no danger that FDOT will terminate the project out of hand. However, with the project dormant for so long, FDOT is under pressure from the Federal Highway Commission to either start building or take the connector off its project rolls. The commission is the lead federal agency on the project.

If the connector comes off the transportation projects list, Stublen said, "it can be revived at any time." FDOT and the highway commission have yet to officially commit funds to the project.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on August 26, 2014, 05:20:42 PM
Quote from: clef on February 04, 2013, 07:47:24 PM
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-L-3tZMhpKS0/UQ7eWhcEdlI/AAAAAAAADqw/pKndZR1YnzY/s800/.jpg)
Seemingly (obviously) predates I-595 since the bus stop sign looks like it replaced a left arrow. Turning left onto FL-84 WB hasn't been possible in a few decades. Looks like there are six-key shields in at least three spots ;)

The six-key FL-84 assembly was replaced within the last week or two. So... that leaves the other two which, up until I posted this one, were thought to be the only ones left anyway ;)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/RfABMypteuGiDaLBb3sUGKRf4PPEp9SlTrI5TFv2YHWl=w625-h822-no?.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 26, 2014, 06:11:48 PM
Well that is definitely not good news to hear.  :no:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Zeffy on August 26, 2014, 06:27:11 PM
How come they removed the Keys from the state highway shield anyway? I know the Keys are large enough that they should be represented on the state highway shield...
Title: Florida
Post by: formulanone on August 27, 2014, 06:30:46 AM
And thus, possibly Broward County's oldest sign is gone. No more button copy, no more Keys shields, and only two known colored shields left, both of recent vintage (2003 - probably to deplete old stock).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 27, 2014, 09:22:50 AM
http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20131112/news/131119819
FL 415 being widened between Sanford and Osteen. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 27, 2014, 09:49:11 PM
Somebody has recommended adding tunnels to the Sunshine Skyway Bridge to let tall ships enter the Port of Tampa:

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2014/8/27/skyway_cruise_ship.html

Check out the last paragraph. Bay News 9 somehow thinks the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel is in MARYLAND!!


:poke:  :banghead:  :pan:

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 28, 2014, 12:25:00 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on August 27, 2014, 09:49:11 PM
Somebody has recommended adding tunnels to the Sunshine Skyway Bridge to let tall ships enter the Port of Tampa:

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2014/8/27/skyway_cruise_ship.html

Check out the last paragraph. Bay News 9 somehow thinks the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel is in MARYLAND!!


:poke:  :banghead:  :pan:



Someone must have edited that part because it now states its in Virginia and the time the article was updated was 10:12PM!

I read a similar article Monday on the Bradenton Herald but neglected to post it then because of some defects within the article. Here it is (its since been corrected):

http://www.bradenton.com/2014/08/25/5320229/might-a-tunnel-bring-big-cruise.html

Yeah, the guy proposing this idea is a perennial candidate for Hillsborough County commissioner. He's already spoke with both the Tampa and Manatee Port Authorities in the past couple of week, and some of them seem to be on board.

QuoteCosentino said building a tunnel to replace the eastern portion of the bridge would give ships the unlimited air space and deep draft clearance needed to reach either port.

Emphasizing he is not an engineer, Cosentino gave no cost estimate for the project. FDOT estimates the cost of demolishing and replacing the Skyway bridge at $2 billion. Building a new cruise port would cost slightly less than $650 million, according to the FDOT.

Cosentino said the tunnel could be seamlessly connected to the Skyway bridge when finished, thus avoiding the interruption in service replacing the bridge would cause. It would also keep cruise revenues going to port facilities already built on the bay.

The actual construction, he said, would involve dredging a shipping channel, then either excavating a groove in which tunnel sections would be assembled or drilling the tunnel through sea floor rock.

Since he is referring to the eastern portion of the bridge, the most likely spot where he is proposing the tunnel would be somewhere in this area:

(https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida275/i-275_nb_exit_012_05.jpg)
View along northbound I-275 & U.S. 19 on the Manatee side of the Sunshine Skyway bridge.

Not sure how seamlessly he thinks a tunnel will fit within the existing structure. In order to connect it at least one approach island would have to be built in the bay (for the transition to the tunnel) and new connecting bridges would have to be constructed to link the existing span and the freeway on the mainland Manatee side to the tunnel.

The only way I see that it could be feasible is if the new span/tunnel portion takes off on a southerly course (if not due south) from the south base of the rise to the cable-stayed section and then swing back to the east to meet the existing freeway somewhere between the south rest area exit and the northbound toll plaza. And the waters in this area of the Skyway are relatively shallow so dredging a deep enough channel for cruise ships to navigate would take a lot of work.

The bridge/tunnel concept is a good idea (and one that has been proposed before), but in my opinion it would have to be built on a new alignment and utilize the existing main channel.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 28, 2014, 10:02:19 AM
Would anyone know why the two placards atop the I-95 guide signs are covered up along I-195 west in Miami? They have been like that since at least Spring 2013 (according to Google Street View).

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.interstate-guide.com%2Fimages195%2Fi-195_wb_at_i-095_01.jpg&hash=7cf3da02fe430b39faf37a2d20eca4f35132d668)

My guess is they are somehow related to the I-95 Express Lanes but I have no concrete evidence to support that theory. And I like how they used the newer black on yellow Toll shield for Florida 112 but purposely covered up the word "TOLL" since westbound is free to travel.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on August 28, 2014, 04:31:17 PM
Advisory speeds maybe? That exit is a pretty sharp turn IIRC. It wouldn't have anything to do with the express lanes because they're not accessible from WB 195.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 28, 2014, 08:33:39 PM
Quote from: realjd on August 28, 2014, 04:31:17 PM
Advisory speeds maybe? That exit is a pretty sharp turn IIRC. It wouldn't have anything to do with the express lanes because they're not accessible from WB 195.

Yeah, I realized that I-195 doesn't tie into the Express Lanes after I wrote it.  :nod:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 28, 2014, 09:27:48 PM
'Last Exit before Toll'?

I thought I heard they were going to convert 112 to have tolls both ways.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on August 28, 2014, 10:57:58 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 28, 2014, 09:27:48 PM
'Last Exit before Toll'?

I thought I heard they were going to convert 112 to have tolls both ways.

Yep. You can see yellow-out on the 112 shield with the right side of the L poking out. The white bar will presumably say "Sunpass or toll-by-plate".
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 29, 2014, 09:03:44 AM
Quote from: NE2 on August 28, 2014, 10:57:58 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 28, 2014, 09:27:48 PM
'Last Exit before Toll'?

I thought I heard they were going to convert 112 to have tolls both ways.

Yep. You can see yellow-out on the 112 shield with the right side of the L poking out. The white bar will presumably say "Sunpass or toll-by-plate".

That's got to be what those signs indicate. It's funny that FDOT went ahead and had those signs posted even though westbound hasn't been converted yet. I looked at the FY2015-2019 funding report on MDXWay's site and there is a project partially funded for the infrastructure and modification for open road tolling along SR 112 (at least through FY2016) but nothing is active right now.

Thanks guys for the clarification in this! Much appreciated.

In hind sight, the main clues were right there in front of me (the white banner and the TOLL SR 112) but I was just not paying attention...  :banghead:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 29, 2014, 10:18:37 AM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/14812341548/in/photostream/
Speaking of tolls here is the latest shield that Florida is using for FL 528.  To me I am starting to like them better than the green as to black on gold seems to stand out more than the white on green.  Hopefully these won't fade as much either like the green does.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Zeffy on August 29, 2014, 10:27:29 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 29, 2014, 10:18:37 AM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/14812341548/in/photostream/
Speaking of tolls here is the latest shield that Florida is using for FL 528.  To me I am starting to like them better than the green as to black on gold seems to stand out more than the white on green.  Hopefully these won't fade as much either like the green does.

Black on yellow is also the standard for a TOLL banner/plaque, so it's consistent with the other signs at that point too.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 29, 2014, 10:36:40 AM
Quote from: Zeffy on August 29, 2014, 10:27:29 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 29, 2014, 10:18:37 AM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/14812341548/in/photostream/
Speaking of tolls here is the latest shield that Florida is using for FL 528.  To me I am starting to like them better than the green as to black on gold seems to stand out more than the white on green.  Hopefully these won't fade as much either like the green does.

Black on yellow is also the standard for a TOLL banner/plaque, so it's consistent with the other signs at that point too.
The new Florida Turnpike shields now have that banner too.  And yes I agree with you it already is a standard for plaques on large signs.  It is about time they start using them in this application as well.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 02, 2014, 09:17:25 AM
WTOP Radio (Washington, D.C.): Infamous speed trap town investigated over tickets (http://www.wtop.com/289/3693119/Speed-trap-town-suspends-2-chiefs)

QuoteThe north Florida town of Waldo has long had a reputation as a speed trap, and it's no wonder. A small segment of highway that runs through Waldo requires drivers to speed up and slow down six times: 65 mph becomes 55 mph; 55 becomes 45; then goes back to 55; then back down to 45; to 55 again and eventually, 35 mph.

QuoteAAA named the tiny town between Jacksonville and Gainesville one of only two "traffic traps" nationwide and even placed an attention-getting billboard outside the limits of the town to warn drivers to slow down before entering.

QuoteNow Waldo faces a scandal following allegations that the town victimizes motorists to turn a profit. Two police chiefs have been suspended, the police department has rebelled and the state is investigating possible wrongdoing.




Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 12, 2014, 12:58:54 AM
Potential SR 50 bypass around Groveland: http://www.grovelandsr50.com/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 12, 2014, 01:37:30 PM
https://richesmi.cah.ucf.edu/omeka2/items/show/1006
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 12, 2014, 11:19:50 PM
Quote from: NE2 on September 12, 2014, 12:58:54 AM
Potential SR 50 bypass around Groveland: http://www.grovelandsr50.com/
I'm not going to lie to you; I wasn't a big fan of the concept at first. I know there's a need for a truck bypass around Downtown Groveland, but something about it makes me think this might become a false promise of a bypass, like NYS 347. My biggest pet peeve is the sharp turns at SR 33. Also that cul-de-sac they want to make out of the eastbound lane should really be extended to Ivey Avenue.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on September 13, 2014, 11:44:00 AM
MDX is looking into a southwesterly extension of the Dolphin (836) toward West Kendall.  They had a public meeting last week.

Fact Sheet with map (http://www.mdxway.com/img/projects/future_projects/downloads/SR-836-Southwest-2-Fact-Sheet.pdf)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 18, 2014, 02:53:09 PM
Noticed a new ballsy I-4 shield (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Dover,+FL&ll=28.027326,-82.197518&spn=0.027086,0.049567&num=100&fb=1&gl=us&hnear=Dover,+Hillsborough+County,+Florida&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=28.027318,-82.197665&panoid=roIf6KhcPngUrvz6drsL5g&cbp=12,320.33,,1,1.46) (July 2013 photo) westbound after exit 17. It replaced this neuter (http://www3.dot.state.fl.us/videologsource2/12710008/B10190000W/I_01777.jpg) (April 2012 photo).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on September 18, 2014, 04:40:35 PM
Quote from: NE2 on September 18, 2014, 02:53:09 PM
Noticed a new ballsy I-4 shield (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Dover,+FL&ll=28.027326,-82.197518&spn=0.027086,0.049567&num=100&fb=1&gl=us&hnear=Dover,+Hillsborough+County,+Florida&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=28.027318,-82.197665&panoid=roIf6KhcPngUrvz6drsL5g&cbp=12,320.33,,1,1.46) (July 2013 photo) westbound after exit 17. It replaced this neuter (http://www3.dot.state.fl.us/videologsource2/12710008/B10190000W/I_01777.jpg) (April 2012 photo).

Yes, Brent posted about this on June 2, 2013 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg225148;topicseen#msg225148).

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/FL/FL19780041i1.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19780041)

There are a handful of state named shields also posted on SR 33 at the south interchange with I-4, and state named shields for both I-4 and I-75 on US 92 (Hillsborough Avenue) east where it joins the c/d roadway system for Interstate 4:

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/FL/FL19700041i1.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19700041)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on October 03, 2014, 02:02:38 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-town-infamous-for-speed-traps-disbanding-police-force/ The end of the famous Waldo speed trap might be.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on October 03, 2014, 11:07:34 AM
Yes! Now if we can get Lawtey to knock it off we'll be OK, relatively speaking...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on October 21, 2014, 07:07:45 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/gone-viral/os-state-of-south-florida-20141021-post.html Florida may be split into Florida and South Florida.  This article from the Orlando Sentinel states that some lawmakers have proposed the idea with the line being between Hillsborough, Polk, Osceola, Orange and Brevard.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 21, 2014, 07:39:14 PM
That will happen. (PS: it's not off-topic because roads cause global warming which causes sea level rise which causes realigned roads.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: adventurernumber1 on October 21, 2014, 08:18:12 PM
If South Florida becomes a state, and if the capitol for it is in central present FL (as said in the video), my top guess is it would be Orlando. Anybody think so too?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 21, 2014, 08:23:00 PM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on October 21, 2014, 08:18:12 PM
If South Florida becomes a state, and if the capitol for it is in central present FL (as said in the video), my top guess is it would be Orlando. Anybody think so too?
Yeehaw Junction due to its location at an important crossroads (actually 5-way starroads).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on October 21, 2014, 10:25:31 PM
There were proposals in the 1950s to move the capital of Florida to Orlando. My mom is from Gainesville and she remembers the proposals. It makes sense now.. But in 1845 there really wasn't shit in peninsular Florida..
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on October 21, 2014, 11:19:32 PM
I've passed by this road about 20 times, always wanted to drive on it for the hell of it...here's Collier County Road 839:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos.wikimapia.org%2Fp%2Fot2%2F00%2F00%2F05%2F49%2F28_full.jpg&hash=544a7d0bb3bf23b7784470181245f83d6d3380ec)

Pavement ends after a few hundred feet...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F10%2FCR839nStart-PavementGivesWayGravel.jpg&hash=f216770b6f6a360f40a369480577c50674c80ba6)

ORV buggies!
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F10%2FSwampBuggies-CR839nOct2014.jpg&hash=975bcfb3328a1b189096a7b74a79bc80eb47c627)

Vultures moved out of the way, just before approaching the Alligator Alley overpasses:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F10%2FCR839nBlackBirdsFlightOverpass.jpg&hash=9736844638e9c0e9fd8901cfc02c494b48a02c3c)

Wanna know what's underneath it?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F10%2FInt75nAAoverpassFromCR839.jpg&hash=acdf7658e77fba17c1f1fe0af7d7bb49b337ac44)

End of the road - permits required after this point.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F10%2FCR839nEndTrailer.jpg&hash=6afa9b3bd4a594de1541b2f13d71bbd511f69d0a)

Slash pines and sabal palms.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F10%2FCR839SlashPineTrees.jpg&hash=c2982feadf8aef208666355ecf71f631d914a386)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on October 22, 2014, 01:39:43 AM
I saw this along Citrus County Road 486 in Hernando, Florida earlier this month:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hernando_Elementary_School_Buses_Only_sign.JPG
Does that look MUTCD-compliant to you? Because I would've thought a regulatory sign would've made much more sense.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 22, 2014, 01:49:52 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on October 22, 2014, 01:39:43 AM
I saw this along Citrus County Road 486 in Hernando, Florida earlier this month:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hernando_Elementary_School_Buses_Only_sign.JPG
Does that look MUTCD-compliant to you? Because I would've thought a regulatory sign would've made much more sense.
It's on "private" property, so MUTCD doesn't apply. (Is there a term for land that's owned by a public authority but isn't open to the public as roads are?)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: freebrickproductions on October 22, 2014, 09:25:14 AM
Quote from: NE2 on October 22, 2014, 01:49:52 AM
(Is there a term for land that's owned by a public authority but isn't open to the public as roads are?)
Private-public?
Public-private?
Take your pick.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on November 14, 2014, 12:35:43 AM
Check this out on street view. On SR 436, at the new Red Bug Lake Road overpass, there is a KEEP RIGHT sign on an island that separates traffic traveling in the same direction. Boneheads.

https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.648992,-81.325383&spn=0.000002,0.001549&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=28.649066,-81.325474&panoid=QPo1k5-l8mdaxASYDkxcVg&cbp=12,115.53,,2,0 (https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.648992,-81.325383&spn=0.000002,0.001549&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=28.649066,-81.325474&panoid=QPo1k5-l8mdaxASYDkxcVg&cbp=12,115.53,,2,0)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: lepidopteran on November 14, 2014, 01:33:32 PM
Quote from: formulanone on October 21, 2014, 11:19:32 PM
I've passed by this road about 20 times, always wanted to drive on it for the hell of it...here's Collier County Road 839:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F10%2FInt75nAAoverpassFromCR839.jpg&hash=acdf7658e77fba17c1f1fe0af7d7bb49b337ac44)
One reason there's an extra span on the overpass, is that a railroad used to parallel the road.  The tracks here were likely ripped up in the '60s, but nonetheless, the span clearance was maintained when Alligator Alley was improved to Interstate standards some 20+ years later.

http://www.abandonedrails.com/Harrisburg_to_Everglades_City (http://www.abandonedrails.com/Harrisburg_to_Everglades_City)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 14, 2014, 01:52:15 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on November 14, 2014, 01:33:32 PM
Quote from: formulanone on October 21, 2014, 11:19:32 PM
I've passed by this road about 20 times, always wanted to drive on it for the hell of it...here's Collier County Road 839:
One reason there's an extra span on the overpass, is that a railroad used to parallel the road.  The tracks here were likely ripped up in the '60s, but nonetheless, the span clearance was maintained when Alligator Alley was improved to Interstate standards some 20+ years later.

http://www.abandonedrails.com/Harrisburg_to_Everglades_City (http://www.abandonedrails.com/Harrisburg_to_Everglades_City)
WTF? That railroad paralleled SR 29, not CR 839. CR 839 has a canal next to it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on November 14, 2014, 01:58:10 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on November 14, 2014, 12:35:43 AM
Check this out on street view. On SR 436, at the new Red Bug Lake Road overpass, there is a KEEP RIGHT sign on an island that separates traffic traveling in the same direction. Boneheads.

https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.648992,-81.325383&spn=0.000002,0.001549&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=28.649066,-81.325474&panoid=QPo1k5-l8mdaxASYDkxcVg&cbp=12,115.53,,2,0 (https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.648992,-81.325383&spn=0.000002,0.001549&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=28.649066,-81.325474&panoid=QPo1k5-l8mdaxASYDkxcVg&cbp=12,115.53,,2,0)
You should have posted it in erroneous road signs over in traffic control.  If that is not erroneous, I do not know what is then.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on November 21, 2014, 09:30:13 PM
Had a couple of chances to drive into Cocoa last week and drove up US 1 north of downtown to check on the progress of the widening.

First, the merge from Forrest Avenue to US 1 is history-it was dangerous to begin with because there was virtually no merge there in the first place and many folks had a nasty habit of creeping onto US 1 when punching it was required.  Now you have to stop at the light before turning right, which is a good thing.

The traffic is still shifted onto the old NB lanes while the new SB lanes are being built; there's some paving being done between the southern end of the construction at Park to Dixon Blvd, with new traffic light booms being installed at the intersection of Dixon and US 1. North of Dixon they're still grading the new SB lanes, although they're putting in the concrete curbs up to Michigan.  North of Michigan and up to the northern end of the construction at Cidco Road they're grading only, they don't seem to be in a big hurry to get done either.

Signage is saying that the project will be done by Spring 2016-I hope there are still businesses on US 1 by then; there was an article in the Florida Today newspaper last week about how the existing businesses there are already being hammered by over a year and a half of construction.

The repaving project on US 1 between Cidco Road to TICO Airport is pretty far along, with both sets of lanes being paved and striped from the airport to the southern end of Port St. John and repaving being done on the SB lanes south of there.

They're also repaving SR 407 from the Beachline to I-95, I got caught in it a couple of days ago coming home from work in Orlando. Won't do THAT again; once the traffic got stopped by flagmen it took 15-20 minutes before it moved again.  Lesson learned, I took 528 to 95 and exited at PSJ instead the next day.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on November 21, 2014, 10:35:46 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 14, 2014, 01:58:10 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on November 14, 2014, 12:35:43 AM
Check this out on street view. On SR 436, at the new Red Bug Lake Road overpass, there is a KEEP RIGHT sign on an island that separates traffic traveling in the same direction. Boneheads.

https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.648992,-81.325383&spn=0.000002,0.001549&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=28.649066,-81.325474&panoid=QPo1k5-l8mdaxASYDkxcVg&cbp=12,115.53,,2,0 (https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.648992,-81.325383&spn=0.000002,0.001549&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=28.649066,-81.325474&panoid=QPo1k5-l8mdaxASYDkxcVg&cbp=12,115.53,,2,0)
You should have posted it in erroneous road signs over in traffic control.  If that is not erroneous, I do not know what is then.

It's actually not an erroneous placement; it's just SOP for FDOT. That KEEP RIGHT sign is most likely for drivers coming out of the shopping center north of the Kewannee Trail traffic light. If one is wanting to get to Red Bug Lake Road from the shopping center parking lot, they should theoretically turn left onto mainline SR 436 south (not the flyover lanes), then use the at-grade turn lane to access Red Bug Lake Road east. Same goes for those on Kewannee Trail. Drivers could probably make that turn right onto the flyover from the parking lot, but that wasn't the intent when they designed it. Plus if you look toward the shopping center using Street View, you should see the back of a guide sign that more than likely shows this movement to the mainline of SR 436. I only know a lot about this intersection because I used to live around the corner so I heard and knew what they were planning to do with it.

Next time I head to Casselberry I will have to investigate and see exactly what that sign facing the shopping center indicates.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on November 30, 2014, 06:16:16 AM
In January I'll be back in Florida for business reasons for two weeks, and I'll be covering nearly all the state, so I'm hoping to get some pics while down there.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Fred Defender on November 30, 2014, 04:18:10 PM
Here's a question regarding the construction of I-75 in Charlotte County:

According to NBI, the I-75 bridges over Riverside Drive and CSX Railroad near Punta Gorda were constructed in 1975. I grew up thirty miles up the road in Venice and I distinctly remember when I-75 was being built south of Tampa (I was just out of high school). I'm almost positive that the bridges over the Caloosahatchee River near Fort Myers were the first I-75 projects constructed. They were completed in 1977 so I would say that construction would have begun in '75. I remember driving (unlawfully, of course) on the section south of Punta Gorda from SR762 (Tucker's Grade) to Oil Well Road in January of '79 and that section had just been recently paved. The section of I-75 north of 762 did not open until 1981 or '82. I find it hard to believe that the Riverside Dr bridges were built in '75 when the rest of the bridges in that area were built between 1979 and '81.

Any old Charlotte County residents out there that can verify for me?

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/Themes/Button_Copy/images/buttons/mutcd_merge.png)Post Merge: November 30, 2014, 05:25:26 PM

Here's another I-75 construction question - this one from Alachua County, 200 miles north of Charlotte and fifteen years earlier:

Does anyone know how they constructed I-75 across Payne's Prairie south of Gainesville? Anyone familiar with this stretch knows that it consists of a 1+ mile section of road that is built up probably ten feet above the surrounding swampy area. This represents a s***load of fill. Surely, this wasn't all trucked in one load at a time. I'm assuming that the fill was dredged from the surrounding Payne's Prairie.

I have a good friend who began teaching at UF in 1959. So he was definitely in Gainesville while I-75 was being built in 1963. I've asked him. He said that he just doesn't remember how they built it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on November 30, 2014, 07:34:52 PM
Quote from Fred Defender:
QuoteHere's another I-75 construction question - this one from Alachua County, 200 miles north of Charlotte and fifteen years earlier:

Does anyone know how they constructed I-75 across Payne's Prairie south of Gainesville? Anyone familiar with this stretch knows that it consists of a 1+ mile section of road that is built up probably ten feet above the surrounding swampy area. This represents a s***load of fill. Surely, this wasn't all trucked in one load at a time. I'm assuming that the fill was dredged from the surrounding Payne's Prairie.

I have a good friend who began teaching at UF in 1959. So he was definitely in Gainesville while I-75 was being built in 1963. I've asked him. He said that he just doesn't remember how they built it.

I find that area very interesting. It is obvious that Payne's Prairie was once a body of water. How long ago and why it is empty today I do not know. I actually find it odd that there is so little fill, and that the Interstate is practically at ground level through there. It is nowhere near 10 feet. There must be some reason that they are confident that it will not fill up with water in the near future.

This is nothing compared to other fills on Interstate Highways. I-49 in Louisiana has several area were the road is built up very high. Looking at Google maps, it appears that long sections of I-49 could be flooded by the Red River if they were no raised.

https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=29.57014,-82.350998&spn=0.000037,0.024784&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=29.57014,-82.350998&panoid=4yKfRtHEO1gaAUyFtV0rBg&cbp=12,154.53,,0,0 (https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=29.57014,-82.350998&spn=0.000037,0.024784&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=29.57014,-82.350998&panoid=4yKfRtHEO1gaAUyFtV0rBg&cbp=12,154.53,,0,0)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Fred Defender on December 01, 2014, 07:05:24 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on November 30, 2014, 07:34:52 PM

I find that area very interesting. It is obvious that Payne's Prairie was once a body of water. How long ago and why it is empty today I do not know. I actually find it odd that there is so little fill, and that the Interstate is practically at ground level through there. It is nowhere near 10 feet. There must be some reason that they are confident that it will not fill up with water in the near future.

This is nothing compared to other fills on Interstate Highways. I-49 in Louisiana has several area were the road is built up very high. Looking at Google maps, it appears that long sections of I-49 could be flooded by the Red River if they were no raised.

https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=29.57014,-82.350998&spn=0.000037,0.024784&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=29.57014,-82.350998&panoid=4yKfRtHEO1gaAUyFtV0rBg&cbp=12,154.53,,0,0 (https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=29.57014,-82.350998&spn=0.000037,0.024784&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=29.57014,-82.350998&panoid=4yKfRtHEO1gaAUyFtV0rBg&cbp=12,154.53,,0,0)

Florida's lakes have been on a long-term downward trend for decades. Many of Florida's springs have run dry, also. Chalk it up to increasing population. Except for the past couple of years which have been fairly wet, the state has been in a semi-permanent state of drought, also, which hasn't helped (and we ALL know what's to blame for that).

Supposedly, steamboats operated on Payne's Prairie dating back to the first half of the last century. After the hurricanes of 2004, there was quite a lot of water in it. Nearby Orange Lake is another body of water which is a mere skeleton of its former self in terms of water content.

And I stand corrected on the elevation of the roadbed. Sorry. Call it 5-6 feet.
Title: Florida
Post by: formulanone on December 01, 2014, 07:44:10 AM
There's a lot of Florida Rock mining concerns in the area  between Gainesville, Alachua, Archer, and Newberry...so the fill could have come from that region.

There's also a few interchanges just a few miles north of Paynes Prairie at FL26 and FL222, where some carving out would be needed, but it also was probably not enough to create fill for 3-4 miles of slightly elevated I-75.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 01, 2014, 08:22:03 AM
http://www.exploresouthernhistory.com/paynesprairie.html
http://www.dep.state.fl.us/parks/planning/parkplans/PaynesPrairiePreserveStatePark.pdf
QuoteThe FDOT has also been receptive to working with the DEP to mitigate hydrological problems caused by the extensive canals and spoil piles created during the construction of I-75 and U.S. 441.
In other words, they took the fill from the prairie.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Fred Defender on December 01, 2014, 06:10:59 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 01, 2014, 08:22:03 AM
http://www.exploresouthernhistory.com/paynesprairie.html
http://www.dep.state.fl.us/parks/planning/parkplans/PaynesPrairiePreserveStatePark.pdf
QuoteThe FDOT has also been receptive to working with the DEP to mitigate hydrological problems caused by the extensive canals and spoil piles created during the construction of I-75 and U.S. 441.
In other words, they took the fill from the prairie.

Good work.

I'm quite surprised that, even in the early-1960's, they permitted the interstate to traverse the prairie. Four hundred miles north and fifteen years later, I-75 was rerouted around Lake Allatoona.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on December 01, 2014, 07:51:26 PM
US 1 is no longer acknowledged for Brickell Avenue at the northbound beginning of I-95:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg36%2Fjcm9572%2F20141127%2520-%2520South%2520Florida%2FIMG_4465_zps1535e7c6.jpg&hash=d55f9db34554452dcbc9e43bef01926c7c92b129)

Photo courtesy of mefailenglish.

The same sign bridge in April here (https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida095/i-095_nb_exit_001b_01.jpg).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Fred Defender on December 02, 2014, 08:28:10 PM
Quote from: Alex on December 01, 2014, 07:51:26 PM
US 1 is no longer acknowledged for Brickell Avenue at the northbound beginning of I-95:

The same sign bridge in April here (https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida095/i-095_nb_exit_001b_01.jpg).

Is that highway named after the mother on "Gentle Ben"?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on December 18, 2014, 11:40:22 PM
So, the new overpass connecting SR 423 to SR 434 at US 441 was built to "relieve I-4 traffic". How much effect has it had? Any traffic count data in yet?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 18, 2014, 11:51:22 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on December 18, 2014, 11:40:22 PM
So, the new overpass connecting SR 423 to SR 434 at US 441 was built to "relieve I-4 traffic".
[citation needed]
Perhaps it was built to provide an alternate route for some traffic. But any reduction in trips using I-4 will be offset; demand rises to meet the supply.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on December 22, 2014, 08:48:01 AM
Is there some sort of Canadian convention somewhere in Florida this week? Driving south this weekend, we were somewhat astonished by the unusually high percentage of Quebec and Ontario plates on I-95. Seemed like, other than whichever state we were in at any given moment, there were more Canadian plates than anything else. Lot of them didn't turn off at I-4, either.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 22, 2014, 09:08:40 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 22, 2014, 08:48:01 AM
Is there some sort of Canadian convention somewhere in Florida this week? Driving south this weekend, we were somewhat astonished by the unusually high percentage of Quebec and Ontario plates on I-95. Seemed like, other than whichever state we were in at any given moment, there were more Canadian plates than anything else. Lot of them didn't turn off at I-4, either.
Holy crap they're going to Cuba. Thanks, Obama!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: hotdogPi on December 22, 2014, 02:28:25 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 22, 2014, 09:08:40 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 22, 2014, 08:48:01 AM
Is there some sort of Canadian convention somewhere in Florida this week? Driving south this weekend, we were somewhat astonished by the unusually high percentage of Quebec and Ontario plates on I-95. Seemed like, other than whichever state we were in at any given moment, there were more Canadian plates than anything else. Lot of them didn't turn off at I-4, either.
Holy crap they're going to Cuba. Thanks, Obama!

If they're Canadians, they could have done it even without Obama's help.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on December 22, 2014, 03:25:13 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 22, 2014, 08:48:01 AM
Is there some sort of Canadian convention somewhere in Florida this week? Driving south this weekend, we were somewhat astonished by the unusually high percentage of Quebec and Ontario plates on I-95. Seemed like, other than whichever state we were in at any given moment, there were more Canadian plates than anything else. Lot of them didn't turn off at I-4, either.

What time of day were you on the road? Back calculate the road trip from ON and QC and you may have just been on the road at the time they all got there. Southbound license plates on I95 tend to come in waves in my experience based on drive time for cars leaving in the morning.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on December 22, 2014, 05:20:29 PM

Quote from: realjd on December 22, 2014, 03:25:13 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 22, 2014, 08:48:01 AM
Is there some sort of Canadian convention somewhere in Florida this week? Driving south this weekend, we were somewhat astonished by the unusually high percentage of Quebec and Ontario plates on I-95. Seemed like, other than whichever state we were in at any given moment, there were more Canadian plates than anything else. Lot of them didn't turn off at I-4, either.

What time of day were you on the road? Back calculate the road trip from ON and QC and you may have just been on the road at the time they all got there. Southbound license plates on I95 tend to come in waves in my experience based on drive time for cars leaving in the morning.

All day Saturday (left home at 8:05 AM, stopped for the night around 7:30 PM.... people at the next table at dinner were speaking French) and then Sunday from 8:45 AM to 1:50 PM.

Reason I asked was simply the sheer volume of Canadian plates. Usually we see SOME, but the majority of plates are Virginia, New Jersey, New York, and Florida. On this trip, Quebec plates easily outnumbered all those except Florida (and Virginia while we were in Virginia).

Funny thing also was we saw no other Canadian plates except for one New Brunswick plate near Daytona. Of course you wouldn't expect to see many, if any, from western Canada due to geography, but we usually see a few from Nova Scotia sometime. None this time.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on December 28, 2014, 06:39:17 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 18, 2014, 11:51:22 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on December 18, 2014, 11:40:22 PM
So, the new overpass connecting SR 423 to SR 434 at US 441 was built to "relieve I-4 traffic".
[citation needed]
Perhaps it was built to provide an alternate route for some traffic. But any reduction in trips using I-4 will be offset; demand rises to meet the supply.

Well....it is now a straighter shot from Colonial Drive to Maitland Blvd.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 01, 2015, 12:19:18 PM
I think the this also helped the Lee Road and Edgewater Drive intersection as many cars had to turn left from EB Lee to NB Edgewater to reach FL 434.  That caused major back ups and the over capacity of the turn lane overflowing into the straight through lanes at that location.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 07, 2015, 04:18:43 PM
I'm back down in Florida for two weeks, and it feels good to be back home. I was on my way to the beach this afternoon going east on Las Olas Blvd (FL 842) and I noticed this little goof.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FltqJNJy.jpg&hash=bb44d69c5dc8364759f7c23e18f548487c8d47b4)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 07, 2015, 04:20:00 PM
Quote from: emory on January 07, 2015, 04:18:43 PM
I'm back down in Florida for two weeks, and it feels good to be back home. I was on my way to the beach this afternoon going east on Las Olas Blvd (FL 842) and I noticed this little goof.
Probably because the control section follows SR 842 and then turns north on SR A1A (reflecting A1A's original route).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 07, 2015, 04:55:19 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 07, 2015, 04:20:00 PM
Quote from: emory on January 07, 2015, 04:18:43 PM
I'm back down in Florida for two weeks, and it feels good to be back home. I was on my way to the beach this afternoon going east on Las Olas Blvd (FL 842) and I noticed this little goof.
Probably because the control section follows SR 842 and then turns north on SR A1A (reflecting A1A's original route).

My guess is the sign was intended to be a trailblazer for A1A and someone mistakenly threw a "East" label over it, since it's only a few blocks east of the previous 842 shield. The roads that connect US 1 and A1A are littered with trailblazers for both roads. Las Olas is much better signed than it used to be. However it still is not signed at the intersection with A1A.

Speaking of trailblazer signs on Las Olas Blvd, it seems the City of Fort Lauderdale's DOT does not know how to size fonts.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fm9xusNd.jpg&hash=340027d2931b51271e46ffde127f9d322451480c)(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FAtrTHz6.jpg&hash=ece36357874d9dce839be972414c32d7989756f3)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: WashuOtaku on January 09, 2015, 06:09:07 PM
This might have been asked before, but what is the difference between the green and yellow top Florida Toll signs?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 09, 2015, 06:23:01 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on January 09, 2015, 06:09:07 PM
This might have been asked before, but what is the difference between the green and yellow top Florida Toll signs?
Age.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on January 09, 2015, 06:26:11 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 09, 2015, 06:23:01 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on January 09, 2015, 06:09:07 PM
This might have been asked before, but what is the difference between the green and yellow top Florida Toll signs?
Age.

NE2 beat me to it, but yup, age is, in general, the only difference.

As far as I know, there is no difference except that shields with the yellow toll banner were more recently introduced (in the past 3 years or so) and usually appear only on trailblazers or on guide signs from other roads (e.g., a FL 408 with a yellow banner will appear on the turnpike). I've seen this down in Miami with a yellow FL 874 on a BGS on the Turnpike Homestead Extension, and a yellow FL 878 on FL 874.

It looks like with more recent BGS installations, even guide signs for the freeway you're on are now being posted with yellow banners. In the past these had green banners, just like the older style trailblazers. You can see a yellow-bannered FL 874 on FL 874 near the interchange with FL 878 (https://goo.gl/maps/n2fp9).

Older sign installations still have the green banners. Newer ones probably use yellow, but I wouldn't doubt that some new installations using green banners go up, too.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Fred Defender on January 09, 2015, 09:34:23 PM
I never knew that I-275 was an east/west road in Pinellas County...

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi48.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff221%2FSharpestJim%2FPinellasPark-010915_zps5354df7a.jpg&hash=07154e702a7e45c50da850d17c3105c253a91790) (http://s48.photobucket.com/user/SharpestJim/media/PinellasPark-010915_zps5354df7a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 09, 2015, 09:58:57 PM
That sign may date to when it was I-4. Or it could be a simple error swapping of TO and EAST.

Related link: http://www.us-highways.com/i275byp.htm
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on January 10, 2015, 12:06:21 AM
The BGS is old, but all three shields are covers. It's not button-copy, right?

Also, could the 'east' be referring to US 92?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 10, 2015, 12:20:33 AM
Not sure. Could be button copy. (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=27.837923,-82.68274&spn=0.006764,0.012392&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=27.837923,-82.68274&panoid=RprOA29GrFttd71zNVHgMw&cbp=12,326.84,,3,-17.99)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 10, 2015, 02:49:12 AM
Quote from: NE2 on January 10, 2015, 12:20:33 AM
Not sure. Could be button copy. (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=27.837923,-82.68274&spn=0.006764,0.012392&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=27.837923,-82.68274&panoid=RprOA29GrFttd71zNVHgMw&cbp=12,326.84,,3,-17.99)

Doesn't seem to be if you go one step closer to the sign. http://goo.gl/maps/vMcz9
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Fred Defender on January 10, 2015, 06:41:08 AM
Quote from: NE2 on January 09, 2015, 09:58:57 PM
That sign may date to when it was I-4. Or it could be a simple error swapping of TO and EAST.

Related link: http://www.us-highways.com/i275byp.htm

Pretty sure the latter. The sign is old, but not THAT old.

I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure that the section of 275 south of Roosevelt was never I-4 (except on paper).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 10, 2015, 09:07:52 AM
Quote from: florida on January 10, 2015, 12:06:21 AM
The BGS is old, but all three shields are covers. It's not button-copy, right?

Also, could the 'east' be referring to US 92?

It was never button copy, but it is quite old. Used to work a short distance south of it. This is how it looked in 2006:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.southeastroads.com%2Fflorida010%2Fus-019_nb_app_fl-694_02.jpg&hash=50c50f7f8133c65fde6a3fb9d9b0a4b34faad212)

IMO, it is just bad sign design with the East and TO swapped.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 12, 2015, 12:01:38 AM
Here's an odd sign at the U.S. 1/FL 870 intersection. It's on the northbound side and is the only one of its kind at that intersection. Strange. You'd think the trailblazers would be enough.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FsmsQWTY.jpg&hash=515afe83eb9a2070c492e93aa36a084a69ce0fed)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 12, 2015, 06:16:14 AM
Oh great, another Alternate A1A.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Henry on January 12, 2015, 12:56:07 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 09, 2015, 09:58:57 PM
That sign may date to when it was I-4. Or it could be a simple error swapping of TO and EAST.

Related link: http://www.us-highways.com/i275byp.htm
Here's some interesting information on the old I-275 bypass. I wonder if there ever were E and W in Interstate shields anywhere?
QuoteI-275 used to have a bypass leading from St. Petersburg to Tampa. It was signed with N and S interstate style signs. It was meant to divert traffic at times when the old, narrow Howard Frankland Bridge was not moving traffic. In modern times, the old narrow four lane "Frankenstein" is now striped for three lanes and only carries eastbound traffic. The N and S signage was removed in 1993 and 1994. The path of the "N" bypass route was up Florida 694 in St. Petersburg, across the bay on Gandy Blvd (US 92), northeasterly along the Crosstown Expressway to the Willow St Exit, north on Willow St, west on Cleveland Ave, then north on Howard Ave back to I-275 in Tampa. The path of the "S" bypass route was south on Armenia Ave, then east on Platt Street, north on Willow St, southwesterly along the Crosstown Expressway to Gandy Blvd (US 92 and Florida 694) back to I-275.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Fred Defender on January 12, 2015, 05:01:10 PM
I don't have a photo to illustrate, but here's an oddity from Florida 30+ years ago:

Several miles north of Venice on US41, at the intersection of Albee Road, there used to be signs for "WEST 789" (indicating then SR789 - now a Sarasota County road). Then, 5-6 miles north, at Blackburn Point Road, there was another sign for "WEST 789". Unlike Siesta Key farther north which 789 ran up the length of, I do not believe that Casey Key Road itself was ever actually a state road.

FDOT should have marked Albee Road west of 41 for NORTH 789 and Blackburn Point as SOUTH 789. It was weird as heck to see signs for "WEST 789" and a few miles up the road see "WEST 789" again.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 12, 2015, 06:07:52 PM
Quote from: Henry on January 12, 2015, 12:56:07 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 09, 2015, 09:58:57 PM
That sign may date to when it was I-4. Or it could be a simple error swapping of TO and EAST.

Related link: http://www.us-highways.com/i275byp.htm
Here's some interesting information on the old I-275 bypass. I wonder if there ever were E and W in Interstate shields anywhere?
QuoteI-275 used to have a bypass leading from St. Petersburg to Tampa. It was signed with N and S interstate style signs. It was meant to divert traffic at times when the old, narrow Howard Frankland Bridge was not moving traffic. In modern times, the old narrow four lane "Frankenstein" is now striped for three lanes and only carries eastbound traffic. The N and S signage was removed in 1993 and 1994. The path of the "N" bypass route was up Florida 694 in St. Petersburg, across the bay on Gandy Blvd (US 92), northeasterly along the Crosstown Expressway to the Willow St Exit, north on Willow St, west on Cleveland Ave, then north on Howard Ave back to I-275 in Tampa. The path of the "S" bypass route was south on Armenia Ave, then east on Platt Street, north on Willow St, southwesterly along the Crosstown Expressway to Gandy Blvd (US 92 and Florida 694) back to I-275.
I always wondered what those mysterious N/S interstate-shaped shields were. I remember a few on the Crosstown as late as '94 but never saw them anywhere else.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on January 12, 2015, 07:16:56 PM
Quote from: Fred Defender on January 12, 2015, 05:01:10 PM
I don't have a photo to illustrate, but here's an oddity from Florida 30+ years ago:

Several miles north of Venice on US41, at the intersection of Albee Road, there used to be signs for "WEST 789" (indicating then SR789 - now a Sarasota County road). Then, 5-6 miles north, at Blackburn Point Road, there was another sign for "WEST 789". Unlike Siesta Key farther north which 789 ran up the length of, I do not believe that Casey Key Road itself was ever actually a state road.

FDOT should have marked Albee Road west of 41 for NORTH 789 and Blackburn Point as SOUTH 789. It was weird as heck to see signs for "WEST 789" and a few miles up the road see "WEST 789" again.

Funny you mentioned those shields because the last time I drove U.S. 41 in that area (last month) I was trying to remember which intersection(s) I had seen them. I seen them on several occasions as a kid when I went up with my parents to Sarasota and St. Petersburg. Thanks for clarifying where they were!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 13, 2015, 12:51:57 AM
I left South Florida today and am over in the southwest part of the state. Before leaving I got some pics. I was curious about the post-FDOT state of Brickell, and here are the new overhead signs.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FRhtcYlD.jpg&hash=7fe1c80f31b70e907f53274b1b59481017da1b5e)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FZpe78tu.jpg&hash=849e1e0e6b47b46ab2fb26f65021c066a702cf4b)

Right now all FDOT has done is remove all trace of US 1 from Brickell Ave, and that's it. When it comes to signage, US 1 may as well be gapped, as there is nothing directing motorists to the continuation of US 1 on either end. Also no US 41 signage has appeared on Brickell. They did remove the END US 41 sign from SE 8th Street.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 13, 2015, 01:22:12 AM
Also a few state roads previously unsigned now carry signage!

SR 925
http://imgur.com/ZFF5MkR
http://imgur.com/lJQGRDW

SR 960
http://imgur.com/NXURr0n
http://imgur.com/Jy6dmJ4
http://imgur.com/2fcnI0L

SR 825 (the Tamiami segment)
http://imgur.com/GgAVgN3
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: WashuOtaku on January 13, 2015, 11:15:34 PM
Quote from: emory on January 13, 2015, 01:22:12 AM
Also a few state roads previously unsigned now carry signage!

I'm glad to see someone in the Florida DOT realized that proper signage is key to utilization of state highway routes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 16, 2015, 05:32:29 PM
Just heard it now on the local news, both FL 429 and FL 417 will have their respected speed limit which is set for 65 mph to 70 mph in about a week.

All of FL 429 from I-4 to Apopka will be 70 mph, however FL 417 will only be from Celebration to Sanford with some parts in the latter city to remain at 65 mph.

Even though all of 417 does not get it, that still is a great portion of travel of the road stretching for well over 50 miles.

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2014/10/9/toll_road_speeds.html
http://www.mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2014/10/9/toll_road_speeds.html?cid=rss
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on January 19, 2015, 05:50:00 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 16, 2015, 05:32:29 PM
Just heard it now on the local news, both FL 429 and FL 417 will have their respected speed limit which is set for 65 mph to 70 mph in about a week.

All of FL 429 from I-4 to Apopka will be 70 mph, however FL 417 will only be from Celebration to Sanford with some parts in the latter city to remain at 65 mph.

Even though all of 417 does not get it, that still is a great portion of travel of the road stretching for well over 50 miles.

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2014/10/9/toll_road_speeds.html
http://www.mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2014/10/9/toll_road_speeds.html?cid=rss

That's fantastic news. I really wish this would have been done when I lived in Florida as I made good use of both 429 and 417. 65 was really too slow during the many times I drove both roads with very little traffic on them.

I wonder if the same study will be done on 414 (the portion not cosigned with 429) and 451 as I imagine those have very similar road construction and traffic counts as 429.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 19, 2015, 09:48:56 PM
Back home. I took a few pics around the state but I made sure to get some of Parkland before leaving. In the 90s I lived in Coral Springs while Parkland was still barely anything yet. Even Holmberg Road was just a pile of dirt.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F6JKZbEZ.jpg&hash=3a19ac8d23e502c62e480c9d43c38732ada9eb79)
A street sign for the intersection of Nob Hill Road and Hillsboro Boulevard, which does not currently link up to the other segment near US 441. Hillsboro is SR 810 east of US 441. The rest is maintained by the City of Parkland.

Also the signs at Loxahatchee Road (CR 827) noting the future extensions of University Drive and Riverside Drive into Palm Beach County have been removed. In addition, the University Drive overhead signs on the Palm Beach County segment have been replaced with Glades Road signs. Finally, the sign noting the extension of Coral Ridge Drive near Yamato Road into Broward County have been changed, and the extension is now only planned to Glades Road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: brickbuilder711 on January 23, 2015, 08:17:00 PM
Had no idea 14th St was a State Road! When did that become about? Right around when they decomm'd Brickell Ave?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: UCFKnights on January 23, 2015, 11:35:13 PM
Quote from: Ace10 on January 19, 2015, 05:50:00 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 16, 2015, 05:32:29 PM
Just heard it now on the local news, both FL 429 and FL 417 will have their respected speed limit which is set for 65 mph to 70 mph in about a week.

All of FL 429 from I-4 to Apopka will be 70 mph, however FL 417 will only be from Celebration to Sanford with some parts in the latter city to remain at 65 mph.

Even though all of 417 does not get it, that still is a great portion of travel of the road stretching for well over 50 miles.

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2014/10/9/toll_road_speeds.html
http://www.mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2014/10/9/toll_road_speeds.html?cid=rss

That's fantastic news. I really wish this would have been done when I lived in Florida as I made good use of both 429 and 417. 65 was really too slow during the many times I drove both roads with very little traffic on them.

I wonder if the same study will be done on 414 (the portion not cosigned with 429) and 451 as I imagine those have very similar road construction and traffic counts as 429.
I really wish we could get the speed on 408 boosted, since it was reconstructed it really seems like you are crawling when you go the speed limit. Especially with every car around you going 20 mph more then you. And its way too common to see that speed differential, as those who get caught in the speed traps become afraid to speed, while everyone else knows its set ridiculously slow.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 24, 2015, 11:33:17 AM
THE SIGNS ARE NOW UP!  Between 9:30 and 10:00 this morning crews changed out the old 65 mph speed limit signs along FL 417 for the new 70 mph speed limit. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 24, 2015, 05:19:48 PM
Quote from: brickbuilder711 on January 23, 2015, 08:17:00 PM
Had no idea 14th St was a State Road! When did that become about? Right around when they decomm'd Brickell Ave?

Correct. 14th St. is under state maintenance between 42nd Court and the westbound offramp from SR 836 just east of 37th Ave. The city of Miami turned it over to FDOT as a condition for them relinquishing Brickell Ave.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 27, 2015, 09:45:03 AM
I just drove the NB Florida's Turnpike new ramp to FL 417 N Bound.  The new interchange is Exit 251 on the Turnpike and it is signed for the Orlando International Airport (no surprise), and Sanford along with the new yellow bannered TOLL shields that Florida is now using.

Today I will be driving SB to SB to check it out.

Also construction has started for the next phase as piles are being driven for the NB FL 417 to NB FL TPK to create a new bridge just to the south of FL 417 for the ramp to cross the Turnpike to loop around to the north.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Fred Defender on February 08, 2015, 07:06:11 PM
I believe that this sign is a survivor. CR (formerly SR) 18 just west of SR121. I tried to find a date on the reverse. I was able to see something that had been stenciled but it was not discernible:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi48.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff221%2FSharpestJim%2FFort%2520White-020815_zpshgftqy91.jpg&hash=4c38d6ba3c97864fec630dd79fb6fbb4f028d3b5) (http://s48.photobucket.com/user/SharpestJim/media/Fort%20White-020815_zpshgftqy91.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on February 08, 2015, 08:12:28 PM
Quote from: Fred Defender on February 08, 2015, 07:06:11 PM
I believe that this sign is a survivor. CR (formerly SR) 18 just west of SR121. I tried to find a date on the reverse. I was able to see something that had been stenciled but it was not discernible:


The photo I have of the back side reads 1.27.7-something
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Fred Defender on February 08, 2015, 09:55:29 PM
Quote from: Alex on February 08, 2015, 08:12:28 PM
Quote from: Fred Defender on February 08, 2015, 07:06:11 PM
I believe that this sign is a survivor. CR (formerly SR) 18 just west of SR121. I tried to find a date on the reverse. I was able to see something that had been stenciled but it was not discernible:


The photo I have of the back side reads 1.27.7-something

I haven't been to Fort White in a while (not much there). But I recall seeing some old SRD signs on CR(SR)18 there dated 1965.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on February 09, 2015, 12:14:49 PM
According to FDOT, they 'bridged the gap' of SR 84 between Davie Road and Canal Drive (which is east of the 441/595 interchange), so SR 84 is one complete route in Broward County [2.290 miles eastbound; 2.252 miles westbound]. But, they also deleted westbound SR 84 from Glades Road to I-75 Northbound [0.250 miles].

With construction at the 826/836 interchange in Miami, the flyover and little nubby piece of SR 969 have been deleted as the flyover has been dismantled. The nubby piece of SR 969 was a 0.188 mile section of NW 7th Street between 72nd Ave and what is shown as 73rd Ave on Google Maps.

SR 39 from I-4 to (not yet Old) 39 has been added. The new alignment of SR 39 will total 6.904 miles.

In Jax, the realignment of Haines Street Expressway and 21st Ave has also been noted.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Fred Defender on February 09, 2015, 08:01:57 PM
Here's one for you guys:

What is the fascination that Florida DOT (SRD) has/has had with "right lane exit only" at some exits only to have that lane re-appear after the exit. They've done it for decades.

Although the traffic pattern has been changed, I believe, an early example was the southbound south end of the US41 Caloosahatchee River Bridge in Fort Myers. The right-hand lane southbound was "right lane exit only" for McGregor Blvd, only one lane crossed McGregor, then the right lane came back as the southbound on-ramp from McGregor.

The Bayside Bridge in Pinellas County is another glaring example - at both ends: The bridge itself is six lanes. Northbound, "right lane exit only" exits at SR60 (Gulf-to-Bay Blvd), two lanes cross SR60, then the third lane re-appears as the northbound SR60 on-ramp. At the southern end of the bridge, it's the exact same thing at Roosevelt Blvd (SR686). Right lane exit only southbound onto SR686, two lanes cross the bridge over Roosevelt, then the third lane magically re-appears in the exact same manner as at SR60 on the north end.

It's a design that drives me nuts because, in my opinion, it only serves to exacerbate traffic jams as motorists in the right-hand lane have to maneuver to get into the center lane. During periods of peak traffic at Roosevelt/Bayside Bridge, exiting traffic backs up the right lane leading people to drive the center lane to squeeze into the exit lane at the front of the line. P**s-poor design.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 09, 2015, 08:07:24 PM
Bayside is a county road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Fred Defender on February 09, 2015, 08:57:06 PM
Quote from: NE2 on February 09, 2015, 08:07:24 PM
Bayside is a county road.

I stand corrected. I'm sure that the design work was done solely by Pinellas County traffic engineers.

BTW...US41 in Fort Myers is not.

Anybody else have any ideas as to why this is done?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on February 11, 2015, 08:34:18 AM
Orlando is now thinking of tracking our driving habits. Yes, our Board of Commissioners wants to place a per mile tax on us in lieu of the proposed gas tax to help earn extra money.
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/central-florida-leaders-vote-pay-mile-study/njnyK/

That means double costs on toll roads.  Paying through your epass and sunpass and being taxed at the same time when riding our toll roads.

Pretty neat, I must admit, the way we pay for everything now in culture.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on February 12, 2015, 08:51:49 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 11, 2015, 08:34:18 AM
Orlando is now thinking of tracking our driving habits. Yes, our Board of Commissioners wants to place a per mile tax on us in lieu of the proposed gas tax to help earn extra money.
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/central-florida-leaders-vote-pay-mile-study/njnyK/

That means double costs on toll roads.  Paying through your epass and sunpass and being taxed at the same time when riding our toll roads.

Pretty neat, I must admit, the way we pay for everything now in culture.

You're already paying double anyway driving on a toll road because you're already paid the gas tax on the fuel you've put in the car (unless it's an all-electric vehicle).

This does seem to make things a bit fairer for drivers of hybrid and all-electric cars, as it would have everyone, no matter what kind of car they drive, pay a similar amount. Makes things easier for those with Hummers and huge pickup trucks as they still need to buy more fuel per mile than other vehicles but they'd end up paying the same amount.

Don't heavier vehicles cause more damage to roads? If so, would that justify a higher tax per mile levied on drivers of heavy vehicles and a lower tax per mile on drivers of light vehicles?

Also, it's super simple the way it is just paying for the gas tax right at the pump. If this thing were to track your actual location, privacy concerns aside, I would hope that it would not charge the tax if you drive outside of the taxable area. It seems like an entire state would have to jump on board with this, not just a city. How would the City of Orlando know how many miles I drove within their city limits? How is mileage driven on state roads (toll roads and I-4 included) that are within the city but maintained by other agencies handled? I think Florida as a whole would have to implement this for it to have any real success, as if it's just done city-wide there are too many variables in play and way harder to ensure accuracy.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on February 18, 2015, 11:34:31 AM
Stranger things have happened before.  Who would think that government could actually force health care on every American citizen, but they did it!

With GPS and other technology they could track when you are within Orange County, FL and when not.  It is not as complicated as you think.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on March 02, 2015, 08:28:17 AM
Suncoast Parkway project to begin soon in Citrus County? (http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2015/3/1/suncoast_parkway_pro.html)

QuoteIf everything goes according to plane, Florida Department of Transportation leaders said the project could be done as soon as July 2019.

Not sure if it goes according to plane it will be done, but I bet if it goes according to plan it will... ;-)

What happened to proofreading, anyway???
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on March 05, 2015, 06:54:45 AM
Pinellas' "˜Gateway Express' road project nears two milestones (http://tbo.com/Local/CommunityNews/plans-for-gateway-express-toll-roads-in-central-pinellas-take-shape-20150304/?page=1)

QuoteMost of the land has been acquired and contract specifications nearly are ready to go out as the $337-million central Pinellas County expressway moves toward construction.

The two-prong Gateway Express highway project will connect U.S. 19 to I-275 along the 118th Avenue North east-west corridor, and Bayside Bridge to the new expressway, going north and south, with elevated roads to bypass traffic signals and congestion.

Once completed in about seven years, the toll roads should allow drivers to save nine to 13 minutes in their rush-hour commutes for about 75 cents, according to Florida Department of Transportation estimates.

QuoteThe Gateway Expressway routes will allow motorists to drive from the Sunshine Skyway to North Pinellas County or to Tampa without hitting a traffic signal.

Quote
The toll roads will run along and, at some points, above existing lanes in the 118th Avenue corridor and from the Bayside Bridge. The expressway includes a fly-over at US 19 and 118th Avenue, where it becomes Bryan Dairy Road, leading east to the elevated lanes above 118th Avenue and to the existing ramps to I-275. The three-mile stretch now has three traffic lights and bogs down at morning and afternoon rush hour.

The Bayside Bridge route runs along 49th Street and veers through the former Sunshine Speedway property, which DOT already owns, and connects to the new east-west expressway link. It includes a flyover near the airport and Roosevelt Boulevard.

QuoteThe Gateway Expressway construction will begin about the same time the improvements to Ulmerton Road, in the same area, and the $83 million Gandy Boulevard project in northeast St. Petersburg are completed...




Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on March 10, 2015, 10:45:12 PM
Just noticed a SR 15 sign that is not on the current route of SR 15. It's on Anderson St at Orange Av in Orlando. It appears to be off-spec.
The sign appears on the Sept 2014 imagery, which exists on Anderson in front of the round building, but not in April 2014 imagery. Move around the area and you will see what I mean. Also, the SR 408 sign was replaced.

https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.537118,-81.37842&spn=0.000013,0.006196&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=28.537104,-81.378543&panoid=q-kmgZ72H-5JkkSF4FCZOQ&cbp=12,100.66,,1,0 (https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.537118,-81.37842&spn=0.000013,0.006196&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=28.537104,-81.378543&panoid=q-kmgZ72H-5JkkSF4FCZOQ&cbp=12,100.66,,1,0)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 10, 2015, 10:52:25 PM
That's a replacement for a sign that had been there for years. It was SR 15 before the one-way pair around Lake Lawsona, and they never removed the sign.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Zeffy on March 11, 2015, 11:33:08 AM
I found an old proposal for the Sunshine State Parkway, which is now known as Florida's Turnpike. One thing I haven't been able to figure out is how did the alignment change so much? Florida's Turnpike today follows a completely different alignment, taking it west of Orlando instead of heading up into Jacksonville like this one shows.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fw5PbWQL.jpg&hash=67b9e48ea2da12d95aee728093c01d6ca4e5add8)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FDbogmEF.jpg&hash=ec49697abfd237ae98134a2cb0ccfba3c3ea8b0b)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FRJY5ywL.png&hash=772f4d0379f4af4e0e285244065a9bcda7ead043)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 11, 2015, 12:29:44 PM
Quote from: Zeffy on March 11, 2015, 11:33:08 AM
I found an old proposal for the Sunshine State Parkway, which is now known as Florida's Turnpike. One thing I haven't been able to figure out is how did the alignment change so much? Florida's Turnpike today follows a completely different alignment, taking it west of Orlando instead of heading up into Jacksonville like this one shows.

I believe that once I-95 and I-75 was planned through Florida, there wasn't much need for the Sunshine State Parkway route to connect Miami with Jacksonville via the Orlando area.

There's still sort of a need for direct Jacksonville-Tampa route, but US 301 is four lanes nearly throughout, and I don't think we'll see that freeway-grade anytime soon...perhaps expressway-grade in some places, such as the planned Starke bypass.

Edit: Come to think of it, FL 21 around Melrose has had a fairly wide right-of-way for a few decades, but maybe that's for plans to four-lane it one day.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jim on March 11, 2015, 01:58:37 PM
Quote from: Zeffy on March 11, 2015, 11:33:08 AM
I found an old proposal for the Sunshine State Parkway, which is now known as Florida's Turnpike. One thing I haven't been able to figure out is how did the alignment change so much? Florida's Turnpike today follows a completely different alignment, taking it west of Orlando instead of heading up into Jacksonville like this one shows.

Just curious, what's the date on that map?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Zeffy on March 11, 2015, 03:17:04 PM
Quote from: Jim on March 11, 2015, 01:58:37 PM
Just curious, what's the date on that map?


1968.
Quote from: formulanone on March 11, 2015, 12:29:44 PM
There's still sort of a need for direct Jacksonville-Tampa route, but US 301 is four lanes nearly throughout, and I don't think we'll see that freeway-grade anytime soon...perhaps expressway-grade in some places, such as the planned Starke bypass.

True, but for the time-being I-95 to I-4 into Tampa is a direct freeway route.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 11, 2015, 03:39:48 PM
Quote from: Zeffy on March 11, 2015, 11:33:08 AM
Florida's Turnpike today follows a completely different alignment, taking it west of Orlando instead of heading up into Jacksonville like this one shows.
Eh? It's practically the same alignment south of Wildwood.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Zeffy on March 11, 2015, 03:48:11 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 11, 2015, 03:39:48 PM
Quote from: Zeffy on March 11, 2015, 11:33:08 AM
Florida's Turnpike today follows a completely different alignment, taking it west of Orlando instead of heading up into Jacksonville like this one shows.
Eh? It's practically the same alignment south of Wildwood.

I meant north (or west?) of Orlando. South of it, yes, it is practically the same.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 11, 2015, 03:49:58 PM
North of Orlando to Wildwood (where the Turnpike now ends), it's also the same.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Zeffy on March 11, 2015, 03:52:54 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 11, 2015, 03:49:58 PM
North of Orlando to Wildwood (where the Turnpike now ends), it's also the same.

Okay, um... how about the segment that runs from Wildwood to Jacksonville?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 11, 2015, 04:04:16 PM
Quote from: Zeffy on March 11, 2015, 03:52:54 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 11, 2015, 03:49:58 PM
North of Orlando to Wildwood (where the Turnpike now ends), it's also the same.
Okay, um... how about the segment that runs from Wildwood to Jacksonville?

That was a proposed extension. From 1963 (http://casetext.com/case/fla-state-turnpike-v-michael-baker):
QuoteShortly after I became Chairman I was informed by the traffic and earnings engineers that it was not feasible to extend the Turnpike from Fort Pierce to Jacksonville, and therefore the Authority abandoned the project that was formerly under way by the prior administration.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Stephane Dumas on March 11, 2015, 09:55:59 PM
I saw this one via Tollroadnews, about a guy in Tallahasse who built his own toll road.
http://tollroadsnews.com/news/daily-news-briefs-for-mar-9-2015
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/2015/03/08/private-toll-road-intended-save-nature-wildlife/24519689/
Quote
You know the saying: If you want something done right, do it yourself.

So that's what Jeff Phipps is doing: He's building his own road.

Nearly four years after Phipps announced the project, construction began in January on the Orchard Pond Parkway – the first privately built toll road in Florida.

Scheduled for completion in spring 2016, the 5.2-mile, two-lane road will connect North Meridian Road to Old Bainbridge Road. It will provide what Phipps and others say is a necessary connection between Tallahassee's northeast neighborhoods and the Tallahassee International Airport.

The road will run roughly parallel to the existing Orchard Pond Road, a corduroy-rough dirt road that connects Meridian and Old Bainbridge. The dirt road, like the new parkway, runs entirely through 5,300 acres of land owned by Phipps.

The parkway will be paired with a paved bicycle and pedestrian path to be built in the near future on Orchard Pond Road, which will be closed to traffic.

The parkway will cost $17 million to build. Phipps received a $13.5 million loan from the Florida Department of Transportation State Infrastructure Bank. Phipps has already spent about $3 million of his own money on permitting, design and legal fees.

The road will belong to Leon County, which will lease it to Phipps to operate. Revenue from the tolls will be used to pay off the loan, as well as maintain and service the road. In 99 years, when Phipps' lease ends, the road becomes the sole property of Leon County.

The DOT program uses state and federal money to provide loans for road, airport, railroad and other transportation projects. The loans go mostly to municipal governments, though also to some private developers. Though this is the first privately built toll road in Florida, a similar project in Central Florida is expected to apply for an SIB loan.

"The way we looked it, (Phipps') project met the qualifications of the (loan) program, which are projects that relieve congestion and provide inter-modal connections to places like the airport," said Jennifer Weeks, program manager for the DOT's State Infrastructure Bank. "The (DOT), in general, is looking for private investment in the transportation system, so this was a way to go."
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 12, 2015, 12:19:33 AM
"the first privately built toll road in Florida" - nope. That was probably the Conners Highway.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 12, 2015, 10:01:43 AM
The path of the parkway shows up on the Leon County GIS viewer (http://www.tlcgis.org/) as well. I will swing up that way on my next trip to NW Florida to see if any work is underway.

Quote from: Stephane Dumas on March 11, 2015, 09:55:59 PM
I saw this one via Tollroadnews, about a guy in Tallahasse who built his own toll road.
http://tollroadsnews.com/news/daily-news-briefs-for-mar-9-2015
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/2015/03/08/private-toll-road-intended-save-nature-wildlife/24519689/
Quote
You know the saying: If you want something done right, do it yourself.

So that's what Jeff Phipps is doing: He's building his own road.

Nearly four years after Phipps announced the project, construction began in January on the Orchard Pond Parkway – the first privately built toll road in Florida.

Scheduled for completion in spring 2016, the 5.2-mile, two-lane road will connect North Meridian Road to Old Bainbridge Road. It will provide what Phipps and others say is a necessary connection between Tallahassee's northeast neighborhoods and the Tallahassee International Airport.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 12, 2015, 11:10:41 AM
Quote from: NE2 on March 12, 2015, 12:19:33 AM
"the first privately built toll road in Florida" - nope. That was probably the Conners Highway.

Good catch. :)

Although, I don't think there were too many toll roads after the SRD was formed. Never mind, missed the SRD formation year by a decade.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Henry on March 12, 2015, 01:11:00 PM
I think it's interesting that Jeff Phipps is building his own toll road, as most people outside the state don't know who he is.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 12, 2015, 02:34:40 PM
Quote from: Henry on March 12, 2015, 01:11:00 PM
I think it's interesting that Jeff Phipps is building his own toll road, as most people outside the state don't know who he is.
And most people in the state do?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 12, 2015, 02:35:29 PM
If anyone's interested in the new I-4 west offramp to Downtown Disney (or the general process of getting FHWA approval for new incomplete Interstate access): http://www.i4express.com/Seg1Docs/Draft_I4_and_SR_536_IMR_08262014.pdf
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on March 12, 2015, 04:33:46 PM
Re: Orchard Pond Parkway

Isn't that CR 0344? So, will we get Toll banners with it?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 12, 2015, 05:28:04 PM
Quote from: florida on March 12, 2015, 04:33:46 PM
Re: Orchard Pond Parkway

Isn't that CR 0344?
It's signed as such, even though it's apparently private, at least in the middle.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on March 12, 2015, 06:09:02 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 12, 2015, 02:35:29 PM
If anyone's interested in the new I-4 west offramp to Downtown Disney (or the general process of getting FHWA approval for new incomplete Interstate access): http://www.i4express.com/Seg1Docs/Draft_I4_and_SR_536_IMR_08262014.pdf

You. Have. GOT. To. Be. Kidding.

I've used Shuttle launch checklists that weren't anywhere near that detailed.

That's just...I can't... :crazy: :wow: :sleep:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 12, 2015, 07:00:03 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on March 12, 2015, 06:09:02 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 12, 2015, 02:35:29 PM
If anyone's interested in the new I-4 west offramp to Downtown Disney (or the general process of getting FHWA approval for new incomplete Interstate access): http://www.i4express.com/Seg1Docs/Draft_I4_and_SR_536_IMR_08262014.pdf

You. Have. GOT. To. Be. Kidding.

I've used Shuttle launch checklists that weren't anywhere near that detailed.

That's just...I can't... :crazy: :wow: :sleep:

When you have the political might of Disney, the brass-balls ingenuity of Reedy Creek Improvement District, and an annoying traffic situation created by both preceding parties, you'd better have a lot of facts and data to back up the proposal for a ramp that will directly feed into Downtown Disney.

This will cut ten minutes out of my drive towards that $16 hamburger at the Rainforest Cafe.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 12, 2015, 08:03:00 PM
Quote from: formulanone on March 12, 2015, 07:00:03 PM
This will cut ten minutes out of my drive towards that $16 hamburger at the Rainforest Cafe.

Hahahaha, absolutely true! That's after you wait for 3 hours to get into the joint.

</off-topic>

In other news, I94RoadRunner and I drove US 19 through Pinellas yesterday and the entire stretch from Evans Road south to CR 611/McMullen Booth Road is now a full freeway. Some work still remains to be completed where the road narrows to four lanes still, but all ramps exit are already open.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 12, 2015, 08:20:45 PM
It's not even a direct ramp off I-4, but a split from the existing exit. Note how the actual justification is less than 100 pages; the rest is all appendices (including signing plans at the way end).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on March 13, 2015, 10:48:20 AM
This came across Facebook via FDOT... They have posted a bunch of old state maps on their website.
http://www.dot.state.fl.us/surveyingandmapping/FloridaTransportationMapArchive.shtm (http://www.dot.state.fl.us/surveyingandmapping/FloridaTransportationMapArchive.shtm)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Henry on March 13, 2015, 11:39:05 AM
Quote from: NE2 on March 12, 2015, 02:34:40 PM
Quote from: Henry on March 12, 2015, 01:11:00 PM
I think it's interesting that Jeff Phipps is building his own toll road, as most people outside the state don't know who he is.
And most people in the state do?
Well, maybe outside Tallahassee they don't.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: lordsutch on March 13, 2015, 02:12:19 PM
Quote from: NE2 on March 11, 2015, 03:49:58 PM
North of Orlando to Wildwood (where the Turnpike now ends), it's also the same.

Actually on the map it turns north and runs much closer to Leesburg, staying east of US 301 up past Ocala, and never making it so far west.

With The Villages and Leesburg continuing to grow, something similar may eventually be needed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 13, 2015, 04:13:35 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on March 13, 2015, 10:48:20 AM
This came across Facebook via FDOT... They have posted a bunch of old state maps on their website.
http://www.dot.state.fl.us/surveyingandmapping/FloridaTransportationMapArchive.shtm (http://www.dot.state.fl.us/surveyingandmapping/FloridaTransportationMapArchive.shtm)
Yesssss! Thanks, FDOT.

PS: there's a 1934 and 1941, a better-quality 1936, and a special 1946 from the renumbering here: http://alabamamaps.ua.edu/historicalmaps/us_states/florida/index_1931-1940.htm

PPS: 1970 is the last one with FDOT rather than Gousha cartography.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 13, 2015, 06:04:14 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on March 13, 2015, 10:48:20 AM
This came across Facebook via FDOT... They have posted a bunch of old state maps on their website.
http://www.dot.state.fl.us/surveyingandmapping/FloridaTransportationMapArchive.shtm (http://www.dot.state.fl.us/surveyingandmapping/FloridaTransportationMapArchive.shtm)

:clap: I killed half my morning downloading those.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 19, 2015, 12:03:27 AM
Hey, has anybody seen one of these signs in Florida yet? Because I've seen them in some County Roads in Hernando County (although FDOT #7 was the one who put them up).
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FXGkLcpf.jpg&hash=4f7a11c0691ba0aa4bd64b8ca58f890d8f301eed)
This one is on Sunshine Grove Road (Hernando CR 493), just before it briefly merges with Hexam Road.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 19, 2015, 12:07:05 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on March 19, 2015, 12:03:27 AM
Hey, has anybody seen one of these signs in Florida yet?
You did...?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on March 19, 2015, 02:17:41 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FXGkLcpf.jpg&hash=4f7a11c0691ba0aa4bd64b8ca58f890d8f301eed)

What is the purpose of this and how does it function?

Does it just redundantly display the advisory speed that is already on the turn sign? I don't know logically what else it could do.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on March 19, 2015, 02:18:44 PM
FDOT article on Facebook concerning US 1 and SR 1, and changing SR 1 to SR AIA
https://www.facebook.com/FLDOT/photos/a.113761388710381.27211.112118172208036/790073677745812/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/FLDOT/photos/a.113761388710381.27211.112118172208036/790073677745812/?type=1&theater)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: TXtoNJ on March 19, 2015, 03:20:02 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on March 19, 2015, 02:17:41 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FXGkLcpf.jpg&hash=4f7a11c0691ba0aa4bd64b8ca58f890d8f301eed)

What is the purpose of this and how does it function?

Does it just redundantly display the advisory speed that is already on the turn sign? I don't know logically what else it could do.

I'd imagine that it measures your speed and displays it to you. I see a lot of those signs in Florida.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 19, 2015, 05:02:17 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on March 19, 2015, 02:18:44 PM
FDOT article on Facebook concerning US 1 and SR 1, and changing SR 1 to SR AIA
https://www.facebook.com/FLDOT/photos/a.113761388710381.27211.112118172208036/790073677745812/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/FLDOT/photos/a.113761388710381.27211.112118172208036/790073677745812/?type=1&theater)
"It is the only Florida state road with a letter in the name." No?

At least they didn't repeat the "Atlantic 1 Alternate" faux etymology.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 19, 2015, 05:22:46 PM
Former G1A and A19A, and there's still a few -A routes on the state books (500A in Tavares, though it's quite short).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on March 19, 2015, 07:03:06 PM
Quote from: Alex on March 12, 2015, 08:03:00 PM
In other news, I94RoadRunner and I drove US 19 through Pinellas yesterday and the entire stretch from Evans Road south to CR 611/McMullen Booth Road is now a full freeway. Some work still remains to be completed where the road narrows to four lanes still, but all ramps exit are already open.

About time... only been working on that last secton for 4-5 years :P Too bad there are no plans to continue it north, that section of US-19 was.... interesting the last time I was on it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on March 19, 2015, 09:09:13 PM
Quote from: formulanone on March 19, 2015, 05:22:46 PM
Former G1A and A19A, and there's still a few -A routes on the state books (500A in Tavares, though it's quite short).

And then they have the brand new one of 9B.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 19, 2015, 10:04:35 PM
Quote from: TXtoNJ on March 19, 2015, 03:20:02 PM
I'd imagine that it measures your speed and displays it to you. I see a lot of those signs in Florida.
Yes, that is what they're for. On another curve on that road I actually tried to trigger the "Slow Down" signal deliberately. It didn't show up.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on March 20, 2015, 10:43:25 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on March 19, 2015, 02:18:44 PM
FDOT article on Facebook concerning US 1 and SR 1, and changing SR 1 to SR AIA
https://www.facebook.com/FLDOT/photos/a.113761388710381.27211.112118172208036/790073677745812/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/FLDOT/photos/a.113761388710381.27211.112118172208036/790073677745812/?type=1&theater)

Is that why they won't run it concurrent with US 1 between Cocoa and Port Orange?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 20, 2015, 09:01:03 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on March 20, 2015, 10:43:25 AM
Is that why they won't run it concurrent with US 1 between Cocoa and Port Orange?
Is what why? It overlaps US 1 in Fort Lauderdale.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on March 21, 2015, 12:58:39 AM
Quote from: formulanone on March 19, 2015, 05:22:46 PM
Former G1A and A19A, and there's still a few -A routes on the state books (500A in Tavares, though it's quite short).

907A in Miami, 30A along US 98, 5A in Daytona Beach, 10A and 109A in Jacksonville, all the hidden As underneath interstates....

FDOT didn't think that comment through.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on March 21, 2015, 01:00:33 AM
Quote from: DeaconG on March 20, 2015, 10:43:25 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on March 19, 2015, 02:18:44 PM
FDOT article on Facebook concerning US 1 and SR 1, and changing SR 1 to SR AIA
https://www.facebook.com/FLDOT/photos/a.113761388710381.27211.112118172208036/790073677745812/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/FLDOT/photos/a.113761388710381.27211.112118172208036/790073677745812/?type=1&theater)

Is that why they won't run it concurrent with US 1 between Cocoa and Port Orange?

There's a segment of SR A1A that branches off in New Smyrna Beach that eventually becomes CR A1A and dead ends on the beach. It makes the concurrency between Cocoa and Port Orange a bit difficult to pull off. I don't think they acknowledge a concurrency between Miami and Key West either.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 21, 2015, 01:40:50 AM
In addition, A1A was continuous from Cocoa to New Smyrna before the space center.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on March 21, 2015, 11:22:49 AM
Quote from: NE2 on March 20, 2015, 09:01:03 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on March 20, 2015, 10:43:25 AM
Is that why they won't run it concurrent with US 1 between Cocoa and Port Orange?
Is what why? It overlaps US 1 in Fort Lauderdale.

It's not posted in Brevard, once you get to the US 1 exit on the Beachline northbound, it "disappears" until you get to Port Orange.
It "appears" on the Beachline eastbound just past the on-ramp for US 1.

EDIT: There are "TO A1A" trailblazers on US 1 at the interchange with the Beachline.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on March 21, 2015, 05:45:06 PM
Quote from: Zeffy on March 11, 2015, 03:17:04 PM
Quote from: Jim on March 11, 2015, 01:58:37 PM
Just curious, what's the date on that map?


1968.
Quote from: formulanone on March 11, 2015, 12:29:44 PM
There's still sort of a need for direct Jacksonville-Tampa route, but US 301 is four lanes nearly throughout, and I don't think we'll see that freeway-grade anytime soon...perhaps expressway-grade in some places, such as the planned Starke bypass.

True, but for the time-being I-95 to I-4 into Tampa is a direct freeway route.
In the 1950s when the interstates were planned 95/4 would have been a good nearly direct freeway route between what was then the 2nd and 3rd largest cities in the state. But Disney and the explosion of Orlando from a regional city into a major metro area makes i4 less than optimal. I-4 through Orlando and the attractions is tied up all hours of the day not just rush hour weekends. Sunday mornings I have been on i4 going 30 mph for miles
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mstgator on March 22, 2015, 09:18:57 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on March 19, 2015, 07:03:06 PM
Quote from: Alex on March 12, 2015, 08:03:00 PM
In other news, I94RoadRunner and I drove US 19 through Pinellas yesterday and the entire stretch from Evans Road south to CR 611/McMullen Booth Road is now a full freeway. Some work still remains to be completed where the road narrows to four lanes still, but all ramps exit are already open.

About time... only been working on that last secton for 4-5 years :P Too bad there are no plans to continue it north, that section of US-19 was.... interesting the last time I was on it.

There are plans, but construction on the next segment won't begin for at least another four to five years (if funding becomes available):

http://myus19.com/Pinellas-SR580toCR95.shtml
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on April 05, 2015, 05:59:15 PM
There's a land dispute happening in Key Largo over a strip of land that used to house US 1/SR 4A before the road was paved over and US 1 realigned. FDOT is claiming they still own the land and it was never transferred to Monroe County. The local businesses on that land are fighting to keep the property.

http://www.keysnet.com/2015/02/20/501303/county-trying-to-avoid-involvement.html

Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/stopfdot
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 06, 2015, 07:36:47 PM
The people of the Keys will never give up rural status of US 1 and even if it turns the Miami to Key West Drive to over 7 hours they still would not care.

They can be just as hot headed as the residents of Breezewood, PA with allowing traffic and pollution to grace their main streets than allow PTC or PennDOT to built ramps between the two freeways just so their local KFC, Taco Bell, and Sunoco can have customers.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on April 07, 2015, 11:02:25 AM
It looks like Viera is finally going to get that interchange with Viera Boulevard and I-95 that they've been pushing for...and it's going to be a DDI to boot:

http://www.floridatoday.com/story/opinion/columnists/matt-reed/2015/04/04/matt-reed-diamond-vieras-next-driving-adventure/25271175/

Sounds like they're looking at the 2017-18 time frame. I'd really like an alternative to Wickham or Fiske/Stadium Blvd, this will work.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on April 10, 2015, 09:24:06 PM
I-4 Ultimate work starting Sunday at Maitland interchange (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/traffic/I-4-makeover/os-i4-makeover-maitland-ground-zero-20150412-story.html)

QuoteThe first of thousands of concrete barrier walls will be set in place Sunday night next to the Maitland interchange – ground zero for the Interstate 4 work that will last at least six years.

The right eastbound lane will be closed at 9:30 p.m. and likely will not reopen until the 7 a.m. morning rush hour to allow workers to place the 5,000-pound units. The same lane may be closed nightly until May 22.

QuoteThe removal of the hill – actually dirt piled on top of a grout-filled sinkhole – represents the first major and widely visible job of the so-called I-4 Ultimate, the $2.3 billion rebuild of Metro Orlando's busiest highway.

QuoteWithin a couple of weeks, more barriers will be sent to the eastbound exit ramp of Ivanhoe Boulevard on the north end of downtown Orlando. That ramp is being closed permanently, Olson said.

By June, walls will be showing up at the State Road 408 interchange with I-4, at the south end of downtown. That is considered the most critical task for the Ultimate because the work is so complex and will take years to complete.

The state, at its I4Ultimate.com website, has a camera trained on the intersection to allow people to monitor construction and the likely backups that will occur there. It can be seen at: http://i4ultimate.com/construction-info/live-construction-camera/

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on April 11, 2015, 11:32:32 PM
Vintage FL TPK Pic:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/floridamemory/10818824564/in/photolist-hu2iC1-rST3FL-3gUtwq-76kyAe-2t8YQf-eamrUx-eR1h6t-7XkXDq-5Y2XD6-gvjSrM-7wd2YY-9BDKin-41C1UU-htZPZj-a5S5Sc-qTmVco-6kkmrc-5rkkVV-hu2w8a-8tqwHF-cHhdj-4qk24w-52ERF9-vcf3z-87qLac-hobGJj-9oh2LC-e8JFEx-7PdPxu-mfVe1-vcf3o-hu12yu-7bfrmu-vcf3A-4bQTS8-7XWkiU-jNGGt-bACZXv-7ghUcN-9niQRF-a5UVTS-rpEw7v-nB99EA-6kkuT2-dG6EeE-fSzsLb-i4iwVJ-5Y3dDr-7fW5PD-3FR81b (https://www.flickr.com/photos/floridamemory/10818824564/in/photolist-hu2iC1-rST3FL-3gUtwq-76kyAe-2t8YQf-eamrUx-eR1h6t-7XkXDq-5Y2XD6-gvjSrM-7wd2YY-9BDKin-41C1UU-htZPZj-a5S5Sc-qTmVco-6kkmrc-5rkkVV-hu2w8a-8tqwHF-cHhdj-4qk24w-52ERF9-vcf3z-87qLac-hobGJj-9oh2LC-e8JFEx-7PdPxu-mfVe1-vcf3o-hu12yu-7bfrmu-vcf3A-4bQTS8-7XWkiU-jNGGt-bACZXv-7ghUcN-9niQRF-a5UVTS-rpEw7v-nB99EA-6kkuT2-dG6EeE-fSzsLb-i4iwVJ-5Y3dDr-7fW5PD-3FR81b)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on April 13, 2015, 08:50:19 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on April 07, 2015, 11:02:25 AM
It looks like Viera is finally going to get that interchange with Viera Boulevard and I-95 that they've been pushing for...and it's going to be a DDI to boot:

http://www.floridatoday.com/story/opinion/columnists/matt-reed/2015/04/04/matt-reed-diamond-vieras-next-driving-adventure/25271175/

Sounds like they're looking at the 2017-18 time frame. I'd really like an alternative to Wickham or Fiske/Stadium Blvd, this will work.

Thanks for that info. My sister-in-law lives around the corner from there in the Sonoma neighborhood near the new Publix. She hates the Wickham Road roundabout but also hates the idea of this interchange. Some people..... I like the idea of the DDI because I haven't yet encountered one.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on April 14, 2015, 05:49:29 AM
I've driven through two DDIs (both in Missouri)...it doesn't feel like "driving the wrong way" until you're already in the middle of it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 10, 2015, 12:08:38 PM
Remember that walled-off 7-Eleven in Orlando near Florida Hospital I told you people about? Here it is:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Google_Street_View_Car_in_Orlando,_Florida.jpg

I walked there from Florida Hospital SunRail station and back to get some lunch, and the SunRail representative there thought I walked fast.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: sipes23 on May 10, 2015, 03:52:49 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on May 10, 2015, 12:08:38 PM
Remember that walled-off 7-Eleven in Orlando near Florida Hospital I told you people about? Here it is:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Google_Street_View_Car_in_Orlando,_Florida.jpg

I walked there from Florida Hospital SunRail station and back to get some lunch, and the SunRail representative there thought I walked fast.

I've been there. I bought saltines and Gatorade, because I was on the road for work and my hotel was near there. I was sick as a dog. I noted that it was really weird despite being delirious from some virus.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on May 13, 2015, 12:35:38 PM
Construction signs are posted at both ends along CR 0361 and CR 151 respectively. The only work I noted was some initial land clearing at the east end. CR 0344 is unpaved and narrow, and I had little interest in driving that after taking a portion of unpaved CR 142 near Miccosukee last Friday.

Quote from: Alex on March 12, 2015, 10:01:43 AM
The path of the parkway shows up on the Leon County GIS viewer (http://www.tlcgis.org/) as well. I will swing up that way on my next trip to NW Florida to see if any work is underway.

Quote from: Stephane Dumas on March 11, 2015, 09:55:59 PM
I saw this one via Tollroadnews, about a guy in Tallahasse who built his own toll road.
http://tollroadsnews.com/news/daily-news-briefs-for-mar-9-2015
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/2015/03/08/private-toll-road-intended-save-nature-wildlife/24519689/
Quote
You know the saying: If you want something done right, do it yourself.

So that's what Jeff Phipps is doing: He's building his own road.

Nearly four years after Phipps announced the project, construction began in January on the Orchard Pond Parkway – the first privately built toll road in Florida.

Scheduled for completion in spring 2016, the 5.2-mile, two-lane road will connect North Meridian Road to Old Bainbridge Road. It will provide what Phipps and others say is a necessary connection between Tallahassee's northeast neighborhoods and the Tallahassee International Airport.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 17, 2015, 03:08:42 PM
Should the FL 429 designation be extended southward when the Central Polk Parkway gets built?  Especially if it eventually ties into where FL 429 and I-4 currently interchange, I think that would be logical to do so instead of using another number.

True, it would not fit the E-W section from Lake Wales to Lakeland, but yes that could be overlooked as many other N-S roads actually run E-W and no one says anything.  Or just name it FL 429 to Lake Wales and then give it another number from there to Lakeland.  This would allow a future bypass of Avon Park and Sebring to use that number as well and have one nice long N-S freeway running through Central Florida.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on May 17, 2015, 10:40:02 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 17, 2015, 03:08:42 PM
Should the FL 429 designation be extended southward when the Central Polk Parkway gets built?  Especially if it eventually ties into where FL 429 and I-4 currently interchange, I think that would be logical to do so instead of using another number.

True, it would not fit the E-W section from Lake Wales to Lakeland, but yes that could be overlooked as many other N-S roads actually run E-W and no one says anything.  Or just name it FL 429 to Lake Wales and then give it another number from there to Lakeland.  This would allow a future bypass of Avon Park and Sebring to use that number as well and have one nice long N-S freeway running through Central Florida.

I'd rather they re-route the FL 570 designation onto it and renumber the remaining segment, part of which isn't even built to freeway standards, to something else like FL 577.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 17, 2015, 10:50:41 PM
Quote from: emory on May 17, 2015, 10:40:02 PM
I'd rather they re-route the FL 570 designation onto it and renumber the remaining segment, part of which isn't even built to freeway standards
It's a two-lane freeway.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: UCFKnights on May 17, 2015, 11:58:44 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on April 07, 2015, 11:02:25 AM
It looks like Viera is finally going to get that interchange with Viera Boulevard and I-95 that they've been pushing for...and it's going to be a DDI to boot:

http://www.floridatoday.com/story/opinion/columnists/matt-reed/2015/04/04/matt-reed-diamond-vieras-next-driving-adventure/25271175/

Sounds like they're looking at the 2017-18 time frame. I'd really like an alternative to Wickham or Fiske/Stadium Blvd, this will work.
I like the keep right signs in the middle of the DDI in the rendering video. :hmmm:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mergingtraffic on May 30, 2015, 09:40:03 PM
any button copy or state-named interstate shields left in FL?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on May 31, 2015, 08:10:05 AM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on May 30, 2015, 09:40:03 PM
any button copy or state-named interstate shields left in FL?

As far as I know, button copy is virtually non-existent with the exception of a handful of overpass name placards (Airport Road overpass at I-75 in Charlotte County and the 9th Street overpass at I-10 in Pensacola come to mind) and a directional sign in Tampa, unless that's disappeared since the last time I checked. I know with construction along I-10 that 9th street placard will probably be removed.

There are not too many original state named shields left either (I can only think of one off the top of my head for I-95) but there are starting to be more and more contractor-based state named shields popping up across the state, including some on the mainlines (as seen on the shield gallery):

www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19780041 (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19780041)

www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19790106 (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19790106)

And here is a photo of that original I-95 state named shield:

www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19570951 (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19570951)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on May 31, 2015, 08:32:55 AM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on May 30, 2015, 09:40:03 PM
any button copy or state-named interstate shields left in FL?

I-95 around northern Boca Raton (Congress Ave exit) and Boynton Beach (Gateway Blvd). A few "upcoming exits" signs are also button copy. There's also one remaining red US 1 shield in Boca, as well...just drove by it on Friday afternoon. Some medium/large-sized cities have a state Farmers Market, and the old button copy signs still pop up from time to time. I have never seen reflective button copy in Florida, I don't think two were ever used together in the Sunshine State.

There's a quite a few recent-spec state-named interstate shields around the state, but they're all fairly new, with not many set to older specs. They tend to fade quite rapidly in Florida.

Old state road shields (Keys shields, pre-1978) are sprinkled around northern Florida and across the Panhandle. Some colored US shields remain, but they're increasingly rare.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mergingtraffic on May 31, 2015, 12:59:15 PM
Quote from: flaroads on May 31, 2015, 08:10:05 AM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on May 30, 2015, 09:40:03 PM
any button copy or state-named interstate shields left in FL?

As far as I know, button copy is virtually non-existent with the exception of a handful of overpass name placards (Airport Road overpass at I-75 in Charlotte County and the 9th Street overpass at I-10 in Pensacola come to mind) and a directional sign in Tampa, unless that's disappeared since the last time I checked. I know with construction along I-10 that 9th street placard will probably be removed.

There are not too many original state named shields left either (I can only think of one off the top of my head for I-95) but there are starting to be more and more contractor-based state named shields popping up across the state, including some on the mainlines (as seen on the shield gallery):

www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19780041 (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19780041)

www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19790106 (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19790106)

And here is a photo of that original I-95 state named shield:

www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19570951 (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19570951)

Excellent I will check them out along with Formulaone's suggestions.  I'll be in Sebring at the end of the month.  Where is that I-95 original?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on May 31, 2015, 04:53:29 PM
Ocala had one full on set of button copy signs on Florida 40 east. Haven't been through there in years though.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on June 01, 2015, 01:55:26 PM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on May 30, 2015, 09:40:03 PM
any button copy or state-named interstate shields left in FL?

at least one JCT Florida I-4 is around:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FgM4Cjw7.jpg&hash=6fbe6f3d3fcaa6ba6fdf34bef3ae5b42a28d97d0)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 01, 2015, 03:03:14 PM
Yes, but it's not really 'left' so much as newly-installed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on June 01, 2015, 08:20:47 PM
That 4 has been around at least a couple years, but I don't know any more than that
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on June 01, 2015, 09:03:19 PM
Quote from: clef on June 01, 2015, 08:20:47 PM
That 4 has been around at least a couple years, but I don't know any more than that

Quote from: NE2 on June 01, 2015, 03:03:14 PM
Yes, but it's not really 'left' so much as newly-installed.

The only original state-named shield I know of is the I-95 assembly in Miami (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19570951). The second oldest at this point might be the Jeff I-110 FL shield (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19831101), which has been around since 1999 or 2000.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 01, 2015, 11:42:14 PM
There are some (county-installed?) 275s from the 1980s in the 686/694 area, or at least there were a few years ago.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on June 02, 2015, 08:39:14 AM
Quote from: NE2 on June 01, 2015, 11:42:14 PM
There are some (county-installed?) 275s from the 1980s in the 686/694 area, or at least there were a few years ago.

There are still a handful of those Pinellas County state-named installs around (some on CR 296, CR 611, US 19). Did not know that they were that old though.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 02, 2015, 11:16:13 AM
Quote from: Alex on June 02, 2015, 08:39:14 AM
There are still a handful of those Pinellas County state-named installs around (some on CR 296, CR 611, US 19). Did not know that they were that old though.
My bad - the one I got a closeup of the back of is dated 1995.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on June 03, 2015, 06:38:10 PM
In the Orlando Area, Google maps now shows the name of Fenton St to have changed to Daryl Carter Pkwy. (former)Fenton St crosses I-4 on a new overpass just N of SR 535.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mergingtraffic on June 05, 2015, 07:22:16 PM
Do my eyes deceive me or is this button copy?  Reflective and most importantly are they still there? Tampa.

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.765696,-82.642337,3a,75y,77.49h,145.5t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sJuldDPdzurwL-d_-MWiTow!2e0!6m1!1e1
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 05, 2015, 08:51:19 PM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on June 05, 2015, 07:22:16 PM
Do my eyes deceive me or is this button copy?  Reflective and most importantly are they still there? Tampa.

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.765696,-82.642337,3a,75y,77.49h,145.5t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sJuldDPdzurwL-d_-MWiTow!2e0!6m1!1e1

Those are for sure Button Copy signs, all 4 of them.  And they are (according to StreetView) still there as of March '15. https://goo.gl/maps/KAPlm
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Zeffy on June 07, 2015, 07:24:52 PM
Is Florida the only state in which they use "skyscraper" type logos on their services signs such as the one seen below?

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.545044,-81.596281,3a,15y,118.13h,90.26t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sco6YvlkgOF_bOUGUj7uPig!2e0
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on June 07, 2015, 07:27:28 PM
Quote from: Zeffy on June 07, 2015, 07:24:52 PM
Is Florida the only state in which they use "skyscraper" type logos on their services signs such as the one seen below?

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.545044,-81.596281,3a,15y,118.13h,90.26t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sco6YvlkgOF_bOUGUj7uPig!2e0

Sounds like a question for Pink Jazz.  :awesomeface:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on June 13, 2015, 10:05:57 PM
I drive past this all the time but never seem to remember to have a camera with me...

https://www.google.com/maps/@25.760914,-80.386499,3a,16.2y,129.46h,89.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sE6tP54nQNxTKPkZXAF6XvQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Also the US 41 east BGS ahead.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 22, 2015, 12:15:01 PM
Something odd I noticed about the vicinity of Exit 321 on I-75. Sumter County Road 475 becomes a two-lane divided highway when the northbound bi-directional off-ramp from I-75 intersects with it, then becomes an undivided highway briefly just before becoming one again at CR 470. Wouldn't it make sense to connect the two divided sections?

:confused:


I feel like maybe this should also go on the Fictional Highways board.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on June 30, 2015, 12:08:23 AM
Has construction started on SR 50 in Ocoee?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on June 30, 2015, 11:33:20 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on June 30, 2015, 12:08:23 AM
Has construction started on SR 50 in Ocoee?

According to FDOT they should be starting on it now:

http://www.cflroads.com/project/239535-3/SR_50_from_SR_429_Western_Beltway_to_East_of_the_West_Oaks_Mall
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on July 03, 2015, 03:27:17 PM
Check this out: Vertical rectangle SR 15 sign in Orlando:
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.535728,-81.331183,3a,26.7y,25.09h,89.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svnuHuPwPY2RTsw6iKgsi7Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.535728,-81.331183,3a,26.7y,25.09h,89.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svnuHuPwPY2RTsw6iKgsi7Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on July 15, 2015, 09:06:24 AM
Quote from: DeaconG on June 30, 2015, 11:33:20 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on June 30, 2015, 12:08:23 AM
Has construction started on SR 50 in Ocoee?

According to FDOT they should be starting on it now:

http://www.cflroads.com/project/239535-3/SR_50_from_SR_429_Western_Beltway_to_East_of_the_West_Oaks_Mall
My take is that someplace on SR 50 they will always be working on it.  With sprawl to Orlando as it is, the road is definitely overcapacitated in traffic volumes.  Especially with Clermont becoming the latest boom, SR 50 traffic counts are up these days.  FDOT is not able to keep up with demands on motorists, so there will always be work on some part of 50.

Yes Ocoee is the last part of SR 50 west of Orlando that is still four lanes, as Winter Garden and west and of course from Good Homes to Tampa Avenue are all now six lanes leaving this segment in between not widened yet. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on July 15, 2015, 02:42:00 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 15, 2015, 09:06:24 AM
Quote from: DeaconG on June 30, 2015, 11:33:20 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on June 30, 2015, 12:08:23 AM
Has construction started on SR 50 in Ocoee?

According to FDOT they should be starting on it now:

http://www.cflroads.com/project/239535-3/SR_50_from_SR_429_Western_Beltway_to_East_of_the_West_Oaks_Mall
My take is that someplace on SR 50 they will always be working on it.  With sprawl to Orlando as it is, the road is definitely overcapacitated in traffic volumes.  Especially with Clermont becoming the latest boom, SR 50 traffic counts are up these days.  FDOT is not able to keep up with demands on motorists, so there will always be work on some part of 50.
 

Agreed.  Taking SR 50 between Avalon Park and Alafaya Trail has been a nightmare for the better part of two years with the widening there, and now they're planning on doing work between Avalon Park and Bithlo.  Oh joy.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on July 15, 2015, 11:02:46 PM
Saw a pic of a mis-spelled blue sign on FB for road work on SR 50 in Clermont.
http://www.mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2015/7/15/clermont_misspelled_sign.html (http://www.mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2015/7/15/clermont_misspelled_sign.html)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on July 21, 2015, 11:00:42 PM
New overhead sign at US 98 & SR/CR 399 in Gulf Breeze:
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.357783,-87.164519,3a,75y,128.17h,83.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXfIjHYN-0xqbFmjLeww1hQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.357783,-87.164519,3a,75y,128.17h,83.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXfIjHYN-0xqbFmjLeww1hQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 02, 2015, 09:32:02 AM
Interchange idea aims to ease State Road 56 congestion (http://tbo.com/pasco-county/interchange-idea-aims-to-ease-state-road-56-congestion-20150802/)

QuoteThe DOT opened S.R. 56 and its new interchange in 2002. A decade later, the agency was forced to spend another $31.4 million to extend the exit ramp from I-75 and I-275 by more than 2 miles, south of the Pasco County line.

"We call them "˜Waddah Ramps,' "  Carson said, referring to engineer Waddah Farah, strategic intermodel systems coordinator for District 7. "It's a 2-mile exit lane. Nobody else has anything quite like it."

Actually, this ramp is 2.2 miles in length, as I use it five days a week. Personally, I refer to this extended ramp as State Road 56A, as no ramp should ever be that long to accommodate traffic.

QuoteFarah's next challenge is to find a better solution for the gridlock on the S.R. 56 interchange, a problem that only will get worse when Tampa Premium Outlets opens in the fall.

"The problem now with the traditional interchange is the left-turn movement,"  he said.

In the mornings, traffic backs up on the S.R. 56 bridge as commuters wait in the left-turn lanes to go south on I-75. During the afternoon rush hour, traffic backs up on the ramp – sometimes for more than a mile.

Converting the interchange to a "diverging diamond interchange"  would solve those problems, Farah said.

He believes the S.R. 56 interchange could be converted to a diverging diamond design within the existing right-of-way. There would be no need to rebuild the bridge, just re-stripe the lanes. "It looks like we might be able to fit it all on the existing structure,"  Farah said.

Engineers will know for sure after they complete the interchange design, now scheduled and funded in 2017.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 02, 2015, 02:37:57 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on July 21, 2015, 11:00:42 PM
New overhead sign at US 98 & SR/CR 399 in Gulf Breeze:
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.357783,-87.164519,3a,75y,128.17h,83.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXfIjHYN-0xqbFmjLeww1hQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.357783,-87.164519,3a,75y,128.17h,83.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXfIjHYN-0xqbFmjLeww1hQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1)


Black border shields.  Coming from NJ I am impressed as I grew up with these, however NJ is feeling the heat from big brother and lately on the GSP have been going borderless on new installations.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on August 02, 2015, 06:41:24 PM
Personally, I find the black-bordered US Route shields to be the biggest non-issue in all of roadgeekdom. Many seem to make a huge deal out of something visually inconsequential.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Tom958 on August 02, 2015, 08:39:27 PM
OT, I guess, but best to ask Floridians: WTF are these?

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4930968,-81.619981,644m/data=!3m1!1e3
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 02, 2015, 09:10:32 PM
Quote from: Tom958 on August 02, 2015, 08:39:27 PM
OT, I guess, but best to ask Floridians: WTF are these?

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4930968,-81.619981,644m/data=!3m1!1e3

These are detention areas to hold excess water. Years ago when I worked for a survey company in Orlando I remember seeing some further to the south near Florida 429 north of Western Way (Exit 8), and they were somewhat full of water at the time.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on August 03, 2015, 05:15:37 AM
Quote from: flaroads on August 02, 2015, 09:10:32 PM
Quote from: Tom958 on August 02, 2015, 08:39:27 PM
OT, I guess, but best to ask Floridians: WTF are these?

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4930968,-81.619981,644m/data=!3m1!1e3

These are detention areas to hold excess water. Years ago when I worked for a survey company in Orlando I remember seeing some further to the south near Florida 429 north of Western Way (Exit 8), and they were somewhat full of water at the time.
Not quite. http://waterconservii.com/rib_anatomy.html

The ones near Western Way are RCID/Disney's version.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 03, 2015, 08:11:55 AM
Quote from: formulanone on August 02, 2015, 06:41:24 PM
Personally, I find the black-bordered US Route shields to be the biggest non-issue in all of roadgeekdom. Many seem to make a huge deal out of something visually inconsequential.
To me what difference does it make whether a shield has a black border or not.  The feds and their MUTCD which seems to require standardization of things.  The funny thing about this is when all the road agencies finally get around to changing all of the requests set in the manual, a new change takes place rendering the other one's obsolete.

Anyway, what harm is a black border shield that the feds need to mandate their use of them?  Just like why can't a street/road name appear on the same sign as control cities on exit guides?  To me I like the various different ways road agencies work, it creates variety instead of the same ole boring thing.  Long as the job is done that is what is important.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 03, 2015, 07:58:47 PM
Hey, I know the Anclote River has been severely flooded, but does anybody have any clue if the floods are causing any problems for the Suncoast Parkway?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 03, 2015, 08:36:42 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on August 03, 2015, 07:58:47 PM
Hey, I know the Anclote River has been severely flooded, but does anybody have any clue if the floods are causing any problems for the Suncoast Parkway?

I haven't seen any news today on issues with flooding along the immediate area of the Suncoast Parkway.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on August 03, 2015, 08:49:22 PM
Double street name signs on signals on SR 50 in E Orlando:
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.565356,-81.19471,3a,29y,133.66h,88.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sD0_bK8gL8YZR1pd-fa_ryg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.565356,-81.19471,3a,29y,133.66h,88.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sD0_bK8gL8YZR1pd-fa_ryg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

WTF. I thought at first it was two photos from different times stitched together but that does not seem to be the case.
Look around the intersection.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 04, 2015, 01:29:13 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on August 03, 2015, 08:49:22 PM
Double street name signs on signals on SR 50 in E Orlando:
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.565356,-81.19471,3a,29y,133.66h,88.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sD0_bK8gL8YZR1pd-fa_ryg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.565356,-81.19471,3a,29y,133.66h,88.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sD0_bK8gL8YZR1pd-fa_ryg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

WTF. I thought at first it was two photos from different times stitched together but that does not seem to be the case.
Look around the intersection.

The new signs have to be some new standard with the construction company or with FDOT. They may phase out the old signs after construction is complete.


On a side note, SR 243 in Jacksonville finally has one shield in each direction.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 04, 2015, 02:39:23 AM
Quote from: florida on August 04, 2015, 01:29:13 AM
On a side note, SR 243 in Jacksonville finally has one shield in each direction.

Got pics?  Can then finally add it to OSM. :)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 04, 2015, 07:02:12 AM
Gridlock in Congress could halt Florida road projects (http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2015/8/3/florida_road_projects.html)

QuoteFaced with an uncertain flow of federal highway funding, Florida transportation officials are working to identify road construction projects which can be frozen or scrapped if the need arises.

QuoteThough the state has a reserve that can maintain current spending on road projects for three to six months, officials want to have a plan in place should a full renewal of the Highway Trust Fund not come to fruition by the end of the year.

"There potentially could be a six-month window where we would need to take a look at whether or not we would need to slow down some projects," said Matt Ubben, president of the group Floridians for Better Transportation, pointing to the I-4 Ultimate makeover in Central Florida and widening of I-75 and I-275 in the Tampa Bay area as road project behemoths that could be affected.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 04, 2015, 11:30:34 AM
Quote from: flaroads on August 04, 2015, 07:02:12 AM
Gridlock in Congress could halt Florida road projects (http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2015/8/3/florida_road_projects.html)

QuoteFaced with an uncertain flow of federal highway funding, Florida transportation officials are working to identify road construction projects which can be frozen or scrapped if the need arises.

QuoteThough the state has a reserve that can maintain current spending on road projects for three to six months, officials want to have a plan in place should a full renewal of the Highway Trust Fund not come to fruition by the end of the year.

"There potentially could be a six-month window where we would need to take a look at whether or not we would need to slow down some projects," said Matt Ubben, president of the group Floridians for Better Transportation, pointing to the I-4 Ultimate makeover in Central Florida and widening of I-75 and I-275 in the Tampa Bay area as road project behemoths that could be affected.
Then you got Dick Scott going around America trying to get people to come move to Florida adding more cars each day to an already over capacitated road system that cannot even handle its present day traffic demands.

If they were smart, the government should make all new developments create rights of ways on their land for future rail lines or heck get the developer to build rail lines on their development especially that we have some people in Washington who say that they're green, but allow sprawl big time.  A developer does not need to have studies done to build, but yet the municipality, county, and state need to do endless studies, hearings to convince NIMBY's, and then campaigning for finances to get a road done to finally be out of date when the first bulldozer hits.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 04, 2015, 04:42:08 PM
Does anyone know the history of S-645?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on August 04, 2015, 04:44:20 PM
Quote from: flaroads on August 04, 2015, 04:42:08 PM
Does anyone know the history of S-645?
Never heard of one.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 04, 2015, 06:59:27 PM
Quote from: NE2 on August 04, 2015, 04:44:20 PM
Quote from: flaroads on August 04, 2015, 04:42:08 PM
Does anyone know the history of S-645?
Never heard of one.

I was hoping you might have known something about it. I found some 1965 ROW plans at work today. It was never built but it would have gone from SR 60 at its current intersection with Valrico Road, then hook immediately northeast along the CSX rail all the way to Plant City. I'm just curious as to why it was never built (though I'm sure I can guess the whys).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 05, 2015, 01:13:31 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 04, 2015, 02:39:23 AM
Quote from: florida on August 04, 2015, 01:29:13 AM
On a side note, SR 243 in Jacksonville finally has one shield in each direction.

Got pics?  Can then finally add it to OSM. :)

No pics, but saw it on GSV. One shield just north of I-295 and another just south of SR 102. No mention of it from either road, but there has been much more clearing of land to the north of SR 102.


Quote from: flaroads on August 04, 2015, 06:59:27 PM
Quote from: NE2 on August 04, 2015, 04:44:20 PM
Quote from: flaroads on August 04, 2015, 04:42:08 PM
Does anyone know the history of S-645?
Never heard of one.

I was hoping you might have known something about it. I found some 1965 ROW plans at work today. It was never built but it would have gone from SR 60 at its current intersection with Valrico Road, then hook immediately northeast along the CSX rail all the way to Plant City. I'm just curious as to why it was never built (though I'm sure I can guess the whys).

I'm pretty sure it's on my 'planning maps' from FDOT. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 05, 2015, 09:46:06 AM
QuoteI'm pretty sure it's on my 'planning maps' from FDOT.

I'm going to try and see if I can find anything more on it today. The only other thing I do know is there is a stamp on the front page that indicates FDOT transferred it to Hillsborough County in 1983. I assume they did this transfer so the county would at least have these plans on record. It was part of the state and secondary road transfer back in the day.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 05, 2015, 09:52:54 AM
MPO approves plan for express toll lanes on I-275, I-4 (http://tbo.com/news/breaking-news/mpo-approves-plan-for-express-lanes-on-i-275-i-4-20150804)

QuoteThe Metropolitan Planning Organization on Tuesday approved a $3 billion plan to add express toll lanes to interstates 275 and 4 and rebuild the northbound lanes of the Howard Frankland Bridge.

The board did include some concessions to ease the concerns of the crowd at the meeting, most of whom opposed the project.

QuoteThe plan adds express toll lanes from the Pinellas County side of Tampa Bay to Bearss Avenue on Interstate 275. There will be no interchanges between Bearss Avenue and downtown so people who live in between won't be able to get onto the express lanes, another issue that was widely criticized Tuesday night.

Toll lanes also would be added along Interstate 4 from downtown Tampa to east of Interstate 75.

QuoteThousands have signed a petition opposing the expansion project, which has been in the state transportation plan since 1996. The transportation department has been purchasing rights of way along the edges of the interstates for years but started drawing community opposition recently when it decided to fast-track the expansion plans.

QuoteState officials say design work on the new span of the Howard Frankland could begin in 2019, with construction beginning probably in early 2020. It's a four- to five-year project.

As part of that segment of the work, a platform would be put in place to handle the future addition of "premium transit,"  which could be either light rail, bus rapid transit or a driverless people-mover train.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 05, 2015, 07:46:03 PM
Quote from: florida on August 05, 2015, 01:13:31 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 04, 2015, 02:39:23 AM
Quote from: florida on August 04, 2015, 01:29:13 AM
On a side note, SR 243 in Jacksonville finally has one shield in each direction.

Got pics?  Can then finally add it to OSM. :)

No pics, but saw it on GSV. One shield just north of I-295 and another just south of SR 102. No mention of it from either road, but there has been much more clearing of land to the north of SR 102.

Can't use GSV for the basis for changing the 'unsigned_ref' tags to 'ref' tags in OSM.  Need a physical photo that doesn't have any tie to Google for the basis of doing the change. :(
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: lordsutch on August 05, 2015, 08:03:49 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 05, 2015, 07:46:03 PM
Can't use GSV for the basis for changing the 'unsigned_ref' tags to 'ref' tags in OSM.  Need a physical photo that doesn't have any tie to Google for the basis of doing the change. :(

Only if there's no OSM editor who's seen the sign in person, or can confirm with someone who has, in which case they can source=survey it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 05, 2015, 09:38:10 PM
Starting this week coming the EB I-4 exit to NB FL 435  near Universal Studios (part of the I-4 Ultimate Project) will be relocated to beyond where the current left exit is.  A new temporary left ramp with a right side merge into Kirkman Road will exist until the new overpasses and the permanent right side exits will be built.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on August 06, 2015, 02:58:27 PM
Quote from: florida on August 05, 2015, 01:13:31 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 04, 2015, 02:39:23 AM
Quote from: florida on August 04, 2015, 01:29:13 AM
On a side note, SR 243 in Jacksonville finally has one shield in each direction.

Got pics?  Can then finally add it to OSM. :)

No pics, but saw it on GSV. One shield just north of I-295 and another just south of SR 102. No mention of it from either road, but there has been much more clearing of land to the north of SR 102.


Quote from: flaroads on August 04, 2015, 06:59:27 PM
Quote from: NE2 on August 04, 2015, 04:44:20 PM
Quote from: flaroads on August 04, 2015, 04:42:08 PM
Does anyone know the history of S-645?
Never heard of one.

I was hoping you might have known something about it. I found some 1965 ROW plans at work today. It was never built but it would have gone from SR 60 at its current intersection with Valrico Road, then hook immediately northeast along the CSX rail all the way to Plant City. I'm just curious as to why it was never built (though I'm sure I can guess the whys).

I'm pretty sure it's on my 'planning maps' from FDOT.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F15%2F08%2F06%2Faca4880fc27c3839348a762737e46b3f.jpg&hash=6b832d422cd91b57c25ceb18a6f735f96d3e78db)

Just south of SR 102.. There is a SR 243 shield on a distance sign on 295nb
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 06, 2015, 07:45:15 PM
Thank you jwolfer. It sure is pretty!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 06, 2015, 11:37:53 PM
Thanks for posting that picture jwolfer. :)  I see lordsutch already beat me to updating it in OSM. ;)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on August 07, 2015, 12:40:50 AM
QuoteThanks for posting that picture jwolfer. :)  I see lordsutch already beat me to updating it in OSM. ;)
Somebody needs to update the Boggy Creek Rd situation in Osceola Co
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on August 07, 2015, 01:18:51 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on August 07, 2015, 12:40:50 AM
Somebody needs to update the Boggy Creek Rd situation in Osceola Co
What situation?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 07, 2015, 02:45:38 AM
Quote from: NE2 on August 07, 2015, 01:18:51 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on August 07, 2015, 12:40:50 AM
Somebody needs to update the Boggy Creek Rd situation in Osceola Co
What situation?

Is it because the east-west section is now Simpson Road?? Boggy Creek no longer intersects itself?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on August 07, 2015, 03:54:45 AM
Quote from: florida on August 07, 2015, 02:45:38 AM
Is it because the east-west section is now Simpson Road?? Boggy Creek no longer intersects itself?
Whoa. I missed that.
http://www.aroundosceola.com/boggy-creek-intersection-to-recive-facelift/
But what happened to the part west of Fortune/Simpson?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 07, 2015, 04:29:20 AM
Quote from: NE2 on August 07, 2015, 03:54:45 AM
Quote from: florida on August 07, 2015, 02:45:38 AM
Is it because the east-west section is now Simpson Road?? Boggy Creek no longer intersects itself?
Whoa. I missed that.
http://www.aroundosceola.com/boggy-creek-intersection-to-recive-facelift/
But what happened to the part west of Fortune/Simpson?

It's now Fortune, but Old Boggy Creek is still the same to the west of Fortune.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on August 22, 2015, 10:57:15 PM
Just got back from FL. here's what I observed:

Gulf Breeze:
New arrow-per-lane overhead sign on US 98 EB at SR/CR 399:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FVac.8.2015.C1%2520040_zpsx4oetv10.jpg&hash=31e6d01a40074a98c15a0f8626a496055f8ab1b6) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/Vac.8.2015.C1%20040_zpsx4oetv10.jpg.html)

Lake City: State-Name Interstate 75 Signs on WB US 90. This assembly is odd, with two straight arrows. The guide sign after it is the same way.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FVac.8.2015.C1%2520360_zpsqqt0alf7.jpg&hash=4a61780c8d2217c46f3b73a866cb794c736f2dd1) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/Vac.8.2015.C1%20360_zpsqqt0alf7.jpg.html)

Also in Lake City, these signs were sitting on a trailer in the Days Inn parking lot:
Notice the word "Tampa" is too small, and the word "SOUTH" is on the left of the shield instead of the right.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FVac.8.2015.C1%2520358_zpsvymqcruc.jpg&hash=27c748026d396216ac43fbd440296d498ec559e4) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/Vac.8.2015.C1%20358_zpsvymqcruc.jpg.html)

Kissimmee Area:
Signs for Osceola Pkwy on SB Poinciana have been changed. It is interesting that they removed Osceola Pkwy signage, and replaced it with CR 522 only signage. Also note that there was already a CR 522/ TO I-4 sign in the median, when it really shouldn't be there. Also, there is no mention of it being a toll road on the new assembly:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FVac.8.2015.C1%2520231_zpspstpa0ew.jpg&hash=4242269dc8d9174e2137a6991e8d2cc34d40915a) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/Vac.8.2015.C1%20231_zpspstpa0ew.jpg.html)

SR 417/ Boggy Creek Construction. This bridge construction is interesting, in that temporary supports have to be used:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FVac.8.2015.C1%2520254_zpsymt9asxq.jpg&hash=cca411edd16659c77f4a0d24ea4c0573c05be8a8) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/Vac.8.2015.C1%20254_zpsymt9asxq.jpg.html)

Old SR 530 at Lindfields :
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FVac.8.2015.C1%2520124_zpsao6pxxjm.jpg&hash=90387823b9a1279b0cb73474a24a789348246c61) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/Vac.8.2015.C1%20124_zpsao6pxxjm.jpg.html)

Color US Highway Shields in Leesburg:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FVac.8.2015.C1%2520167_zpsyek01j8v.jpg&hash=d069938a1b3e3786117ad8562e5325fc1894dd72) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/Vac.8.2015.C1%20167_zpsyek01j8v.jpg.html)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FVac.8.2015.C1%2520169_zpsfuf4blrc.jpg&hash=b87841f5bab0a670d66d8c9c064db0056acbe100) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/Vac.8.2015.C1%20169_zpsfuf4blrc.jpg.html)

Clermont:
Yay for consistency on NB US 27:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FVac.8.2015.C1%2520162_zpsvgzdw9px.jpg&hash=db78956e176bae44d1d5871c9b6f93b3df020fec) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/Vac.8.2015.C1%20162_zpsvgzdw9px.jpg.html)

Former Highway and Railroad Right-Of-Way converted to Park/Trail on Lake Minneola:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FVac.8.2015.C1%2520160_zpss1bqddpc.jpg&hash=ad0601b9bcf5016d3d5aa8a5d63de450390ef052) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/Vac.8.2015.C1%20160_zpss1bqddpc.jpg.html)

A shot of NB US 27:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2F8.2015.NB.US.27.Clermont_zpsdwjs99eo.jpg&hash=6dfd5958ddf728d17950250968a31630041b91fb) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/8.2015.NB.US.27.Clermont_zpsdwjs99eo.jpg.html)

SR 429 at CR 435:
It seems strange that they completed this orphan section first. Signals are up and flashing at SR 46.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2F8.2015.SR.429.AT.CR.435.3_zps4ijyhlti.jpg&hash=c8e3744e791cd7a6c9d2dc8e8e6cb603dc34d5d2) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/8.2015.SR.429.AT.CR.435.3_zps4ijyhlti.jpg.html)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2F8.2015.SR.429.AT.CR.435.1_zpsbgnt15o3.jpg&hash=ba0fdefe5071ec35f1fe505dc439625f687b4307) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/8.2015.SR.429.AT.CR.435.1_zpsbgnt15o3.jpg.html)

Apopka:This is NB US 441, not SB CR 435. Actually, it looks like an arrow plaque is missing.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FVac.8.2015.C1%2520343_zpsscteajyp.jpg&hash=2226995710bdccdadfeaa667750823a5efa981f1) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/Vac.8.2015.C1%20343_zpsscteajyp.jpg.html)

Other items:
The very faded JCT CR 437 sign on NB US 441 has been replaced.



Title: Re: Florida
Post by: freebrickproductions on August 23, 2015, 12:19:29 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on August 22, 2015, 10:57:15 PM
Lake City: State-Name Interstate 75 Signs on WB US 90. This assembly is odd, with two straight arrows. The guide sign after it is the same way.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FVac.8.2015.C1%2520360_zpsqqt0alf7.jpg&hash=4a61780c8d2217c46f3b73a866cb794c736f2dd1) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/Vac.8.2015.C1%20360_zpsqqt0alf7.jpg.html)

Old SR 530 at Lindfields :
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FVac.8.2015.C1%2520124_zpsao6pxxjm.jpg&hash=90387823b9a1279b0cb73474a24a789348246c61) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/Vac.8.2015.C1%20124_zpsao6pxxjm.jpg.html)

Color US Highway Shields in Leesburg:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FVac.8.2015.C1%2520167_zpsyek01j8v.jpg&hash=d069938a1b3e3786117ad8562e5325fc1894dd72) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/Vac.8.2015.C1%20167_zpsyek01j8v.jpg.html)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FVac.8.2015.C1%2520169_zpsfuf4blrc.jpg&hash=b87841f5bab0a670d66d8c9c064db0056acbe100) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/Vac.8.2015.C1%20169_zpsfuf4blrc.jpg.html)
Those are just awesome! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Quote from: Brian556 on August 22, 2015, 10:57:15 PM
Clermont:
Yay for consistency on NB US 27:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FVac.8.2015.C1%2520162_zpsvgzdw9px.jpg&hash=db78956e176bae44d1d5871c9b6f93b3df020fec) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/Vac.8.2015.C1%20162_zpsvgzdw9px.jpg.html)
Is it bad that I laughed at that? :-D
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on August 23, 2015, 12:50:53 AM
Quote from freebrickproductions:
QuoteIs it bad that I laughed at that? :-D
Nope, sarcasm is supposed to be funny.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on August 29, 2015, 10:54:41 PM
Old Brick Rd. (CR 13) in St Johns and Flagler Counties.(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F15%2F08%2F29%2F7dd692b7ad56e3f2bbf9e220a503ac90.jpg&hash=7ec5faa52fb0b40b37e9ff277a9dc7a7ea2dda1c)(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F15%2F08%2F29%2Fa57d3de1cefb8b96cb780d03b04b7ece.jpg&hash=6ef168053065ed02a6982162594b5b9d582dae08)(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F15%2F08%2F29%2F278b19b5b064abc82cf9a6dc1368d24e.jpg&hash=98517cf1ee6e09e1564f719dc74f1b41a1b05078)(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F15%2F08%2F29%2F34e7e00f716c4741c353b9bba5d96716.jpg&hash=59a5994ad5d791a55959cc7ff17eb70ecc288cc7)(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F15%2F08%2F29%2F223915952c0a03c84a724667c6f3f9b3.jpg&hash=2927d64adb0a7e37a56f9735a814fc54552e67d6)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on August 29, 2015, 11:01:56 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on August 29, 2015, 10:54:41 PM
Old Brick Rd. (CR 13) in St Johns and Flagler Counties.(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F15%2F08%2F29%2F7dd692b7ad56e3f2bbf9e220a503ac90.jpg&hash=7ec5faa52fb0b40b37e9ff277a9dc7a7ea2dda1c)(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F15%2F08%2F29%2Fa57d3de1cefb8b96cb780d03b04b7ece.jpg&hash=6ef168053065ed02a6982162594b5b9d582dae08)(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F15%2F08%2F29%2F278b19b5b064abc82cf9a6dc1368d24e.jpg&hash=98517cf1ee6e09e1564f719dc74f1b41a1b05078)(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F15%2F08%2F29%2F34e7e00f716c4741c353b9bba5d96716.jpg&hash=59a5994ad5d791a55959cc7ff17eb70ecc288cc7)(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F15%2F08%2F29%2F223915952c0a03c84a724667c6f3f9b3.jpg&hash=2927d64adb0a7e37a56f9735a814fc54552e67d6)
The pics are from Flagler County. It was under a deluge in St Johns. It looks like a normal County dirt road.  But with a 1 lane brick road in the middle. Thus is tree farms all along the route, very desolate. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F15%2F08%2F29%2F64714ac5d28f875dd6d956b6497c1687.jpg&hash=8e44606ae82dac0598a61ee48c75095de42e487a)(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F15%2F08%2F29%2Fb14df5d5fd3efd26931d98fb257a77f2.jpg&hash=b84a9b6cde3c025f486a2a98f53019251158a987)

Notice the perfect lines if trees. This was early routing of US 1 built in the 1920s.
Not far off i95 or us1 between Hastings and Espanola
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on August 30, 2015, 01:21:54 AM
Speaking of brick roads, I recently discovered a second short piece (http://www.google.com/maps/@28.7028298,-81.3463971,3a,75y,165.14h,88.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1PJBMnu4uz7QvpU01UEVIA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) of the old Orlando-Sanford road on Freeman Street in Longwood.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on August 30, 2015, 11:29:57 AM
Quote from: NE2 on August 30, 2015, 01:21:54 AM
Speaking of brick roads, I recently discovered a second short piece (http://www.google.com/maps/@28.7028298,-81.3463971,3a,75y,165.14h,88.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1PJBMnu4uz7QvpU01UEVIA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) of the old Orlando-Sanford road on Freeman Street in Longwood.
Urban areas have a few old brick streets It's cool that it's so long and   desolate. About 20 years ago the city if Jacksonville widened Old St Augustine Rd, the construction unearthed the old brick road. It was cool to see the history
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on August 30, 2015, 11:30:55 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on August 30, 2015, 11:29:57 AM
Urban areas have a few old brick streets
Urban areas have a bunch, but this one specifically has the old county construction in the middle of the newer city construction.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on August 30, 2015, 11:32:16 AM
Quote from: NE2 on August 30, 2015, 11:30:55 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on August 30, 2015, 11:29:57 AM
Urban areas have a few old brick streets
Urban areas have a bunch, but this one specifically has the old county construction in the middle of the newer city construction.
Really cool.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on August 30, 2015, 07:08:38 PM
I've spent today organizing my photos from my last Florida trip in January, and forgot I found this FL 368 sign in Panama City.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FXNplkZO.png&hash=634342555626accf42492639f443e46f2f3caba4)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on October 09, 2015, 10:38:04 AM
New article with pics of old Florida signs. Note that it says the colored US shields were eliminated due to fading, and not the Federal Highway Admin.

Quotehttp://www.floridamemory.com/blog/2015/10/08/signs-of-the-times/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on October 17, 2015, 11:38:46 PM
 Interesting video of a man telling about a Florida vacation in 1933.
https://www.facebook.com/RickSmith.PanoramaStudios/videos/10153740162728783/?pnref=story (https://www.facebook.com/RickSmith.PanoramaStudios/videos/10153740162728783/?pnref=story)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on October 23, 2015, 07:33:37 PM
http://www.mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2015/10/23/tugboat_hits_bennett.html?cid=facebook_News_13

SR 528 closed at Indian River as marine vessel hits the Bennett Causeway.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on November 10, 2015, 05:22:27 PM
https://www.cfxway.com/TravelersExpressways/Expressways/CurrentExpressways/528BeachLine/ConstructionProjects/tabid/367/Article/291/SR-528-Airport-Plaza-Demolition-Ramp-Plaza-Construction-Project.aspx

Oklahoma and NYS Thruway rebates coming to motorists entering FL 528 W Bound from Exit 8.  Now with the mainline plaza west going up in rate to compensate the loss of the tolls collected at Airport Mainline when that plaza is removed soon,  those who enter here will not have to pay the full amount.  Of course the catch is to have E Pass or SunPass as it will be done electronically.

Above is the CFX own project webpage of what is going on to replace the tolls being removed from the highway there.  The only drawback is no free ride from Exits 8 to 9 or vise versa.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on November 10, 2015, 08:54:34 PM
Initial work has started for the addition of tolled express lanes along SR 528 (Beachline Expressway) between Interstate 4 and McCoy Road (Exit 8). Two toll lanes in each direction will be built between I-4 and Consulate Drive (Exit 4) while one additional lane (each direction) will continue through to Exit 8. The existing general use lanes along SR 528 will remain toll-free as it is today. Current scheduled completion is set for 2019.

More information can be found at Florida's Turnpike Current Construction Projects (http://www.floridasturnpike.com/construction_current.cfm) page.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on December 16, 2015, 07:56:59 PM
Came down for a week-long visit to South Florida; here's a few updates of what I saw...

Obligatory I-95 at FLL shot:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5836/23690137152_10fb49cb04_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/C6q9qy)

I-95 West? Kudos for the state-named shield, but I think a FL 818 shield was supposed to go here:
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/776/23798558255_2009d76c6f_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CfZQeV)

US 1 southbound underneath at Fort Lauderdale airport's new south runway:
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/612/23170421014_5b0650121e_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/BiusVu)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/761/23772465166_dbff7491c3_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CdG6F5)

Missing borders look wierd...
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5753/23170414294_3375bbbf6a_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/BiuqVC)

Headed back southbound on US 1, with upcoming city mileage sign:
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/668/23171747133_c1d1e1ebb8_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/BiBg8B)

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5785/23502840330_8514c6a47d_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/BNScB1)

Headed south on I-95, new Express Lanes under construction...free (for now) to use until the Golden Glades Interchange:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5676/23798525925_cc104da7f4_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CfZECv)

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5744/23170387664_f36ca43223_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Biui1u)

I didn't choose the tall flyover, which is far above me in this shot:
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/701/23170380764_327ea26643_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/BiufXw)

How to enter the I-95 Express Lanes (SunPass at the ready):
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5798/23170378264_7098daa58c_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Biufdq)

It started to rain as I picked up I-395, so this was the last shot of the day. It rained on and off the next few days.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5625/23502814520_f54b225a05_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/BNS4W1)

Drove through the Port Miami Tunnel (FL 887) southbound:
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/587/23716068361_f4e5797312_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/C8H3Sn)

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5743/23716061001_1668a2ab27_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/C8H1Ft)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/758/23772395856_5dabec1859_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CdFK55)

Made a U-turn and drove it back north, thus clinching FL 887 in under 5 minutes.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/579/23430541019_8172694d1e_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/BGtDxa)

Bonus...Florida State Road shields in use on Nissan's navigation system:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5811/23798534145_d2b9ca3c7c_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CfZH5e)

Extra Credit...Miami Beach Skyscrapers - facing south:
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/762/23170370854_2aafa63a27_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Biud1E)

((( Other notes )))

- Didn't see any standalone FL 887 shields, just on BGSes.

- Drove on 595 Express Lanes at night - they only operate the 2-3 lanes eastbound in the morning, and then reverse it in the evening. Does anyone know when it's closed for "reversal"?

- A little bit of weaving to get towards FL 869 north via the end of the Express Lanes at I-595's west end.

- FL 869 / Sawgrass Expressway had mile markers with little Florida Toll shields (yay!), but with Clearview mileage (boo!). First instance of Clearview on Florida's Turnpike System?

- The two red US 1 shields located in Fort Lauderdale are still in place.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on December 16, 2015, 10:17:35 PM
Terrific pictures.  Many things have changed and completed since I moved away 16 months ago. :wave:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on December 16, 2015, 10:38:53 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on December 16, 2015, 10:17:35 PM
Terrific pictures.  Many things have changed and completed since I moved away 16 months ago. :wave:

I visit 2-3 times a year, since moving away over two years ago, but all the current construction on seemingly all the major routes feels a lot like the late-1980s all over again...when I used to go away to school, you'd definitely notice all the changes after 3-6 months away from South Florida.

More to come next week, if things go to plan.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on December 17, 2015, 08:06:55 AM
Quote from: formulanone on December 16, 2015, 10:38:53 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on December 16, 2015, 10:17:35 PM
Terrific pictures.  Many things have changed and completed since I moved away 16 months ago. :wave:

I visit 2-3 times a year, since moving away over two years ago, but all the current construction on seemingly all the major routes feels a lot like the late-1980s all over again...when I used to go away to school, you'd definitely notice all the changes after 3-6 months away from South Florida.

More to come next week, if things go to plan.

Echoing xcellntbuy's comments, great photos Josh!

From what you wrote, the I-95 Express lane extension is about done now? Will be down next month for a hockey game and would like to get in some roadding while there as well.

I see that the tunnel was dead for you like it was for us when we drove it back in April.

Regarding the I-595 express lanes, per my research for an Iguide update (http://www.interstate-guide.com/i-595_fl.html) last year, the toll lanes flow eastbound from 4 am to 1 pm and westbound from 2 pm to 2 am on weekdays. The weekends are set to eastbound only.

Looks like the work at the east end of I-595 at US 1 is finally done, so another thing for me to check out and update on that page too.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on December 18, 2015, 10:35:25 AM
Need some routing advice if you folks don't mind. We're heading to Florida on our usual Christmas trip and before seeing our relatives, we're visiting a friend who lives on Collins Avenue in Bal Harbour. What's the best way to get there if you're coming down the Turnpike from Orlando? I'd kind of like to knock off the east end of I-595 to finish a clinch, but is it viable to go down US-1 and A1A from there or would we hit too many red lights? Timeliness is a bit of an issue within reason. I see the most direct route is simply to go to the Golden Glades and then east, but I know that sometimes poses traffic issues.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on December 18, 2015, 11:40:33 AM
There's a fair number of lights on US 1 south of 595, but no more than the rest of it in the area. Stop at Jaxson's in Dania Beach for ice cream if you've never done so.

A1A is somewhat scenic, but perhaps south of FL 820/Hollywood Blvd, but don't expect to make up time compared to US 1.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on December 18, 2015, 12:47:00 PM
Quote from: flaroads on November 10, 2015, 08:54:34 PM
Initial work has started for the addition of tolled express lanes along SR 528 (Beachline Expressway) between Interstate 4 and McCoy Road (Exit 8). Two toll lanes in each direction will be built between I-4 and Consulate Drive (Exit 4) while one additional lane (each direction) will continue through to Exit 8. The existing general use lanes along SR 528 will remain toll-free as it is today. Current scheduled completion is set for 2019.

More information can be found at Florida's Turnpike Current Construction Projects (http://www.floridasturnpike.com/construction_current.cfm) page.

Oh, for God's sake...you wanna toll that mess too?  It needs at least six through free lanes...and it really would be nice if they rebuilt the Beachline-
/OBT/Turnpike interchange, you think?

Between the Airport Toll Plaza removal and this it might be a good idea to avoid the Beachline for the next few years...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 18, 2015, 05:52:25 PM
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/fl-palm-obama-highway-20151217-story.html

Old Dixie Highway in one South Florida city to be renamed after a sitting president and one who has controversy in his character as half the nation hates his guts while the other half loves him and of course is not even remotely dead.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on December 19, 2015, 09:04:00 AM
Quote from: formulanone on December 18, 2015, 11:40:33 AM
There's a fair number of lights on US 1 south of 595, but no more than the rest of it in the area. Stop at Jaxson's in Dania Beach for ice cream if you've never done so.

A1A is somewhat scenic, but perhaps south of FL 820/Hollywood Blvd, but don't expect to make up time compared to US 1.

Thanks. Would we be better off on Route 1 down to 820 and then across, or should we cut across further up? The person we're visiting lives on the section between 96th Street and the inlet north of there. He recommended we not use 96th Street, although on the way back out to Pembroke Pines afterwards I'm considering going that way anyway to knock Gratigny Parkway off my list.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on December 19, 2015, 09:18:17 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 18, 2015, 10:35:25 AM
Need some routing advice if you folks don't mind. We're heading to Florida on our usual Christmas trip and before seeing our relatives, we're visiting a friend who lives on Collins Avenue in Bal Harbour. What's the best way to get there if you're coming down the Turnpike from Orlando? I'd kind of like to knock off the east end of I-595 to finish a clinch, but is it viable to go down US-1 and A1A from there or would we hit too many red lights? Timeliness is a bit of an issue within reason. I see the most direct route is simply to go to the Golden Glades and then east, but I know that sometimes poses traffic issues.

Thanks in advance.

If tardiness is really an issue, just get Waze. It's really good about finding the fastest route based on current traffic conditions, and will ensure you don't get stuck in a traffic jam caused by an accident.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on December 19, 2015, 09:26:43 AM
Quote from: realjd on December 19, 2015, 09:18:17 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 18, 2015, 10:35:25 AM
Need some routing advice if you folks don't mind. We're heading to Florida on our usual Christmas trip and before seeing our relatives, we're visiting a friend who lives on Collins Avenue in Bal Harbour. What's the best way to get there if you're coming down the Turnpike from Orlando? I'd kind of like to knock off the east end of I-595 to finish a clinch, but is it viable to go down US-1 and A1A from there or would we hit too many red lights? Timeliness is a bit of an issue within reason. I see the most direct route is simply to go to the Golden Glades and then east, but I know that sometimes poses traffic issues.

Thanks in advance.

If tardiness is really an issue, just get Waze. It's really good about finding the fastest route based on current traffic conditions, and will ensure you don't get stuck in a traffic jam caused by an accident.

I have it, I just find it distracting to try to use when I'm driving, especially in an area I visit a maximum of once a year. I find the somewhat cartoonish interface to be annoyingly busy. I will concede that its information can be very useful, though.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on December 19, 2015, 05:37:37 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 19, 2015, 09:26:43 AM
Quote from: realjd on December 19, 2015, 09:18:17 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 18, 2015, 10:35:25 AM
Need some routing advice if you folks don't mind. We're heading to Florida on our usual Christmas trip and before seeing our relatives, we're visiting a friend who lives on Collins Avenue in Bal Harbour. What's the best way to get there if you're coming down the Turnpike from Orlando? I'd kind of like to knock off the east end of I-595 to finish a clinch, but is it viable to go down US-1 and A1A from there or would we hit too many red lights? Timeliness is a bit of an issue within reason. I see the most direct route is simply to go to the Golden Glades and then east, but I know that sometimes poses traffic issues.

Thanks in advance.

If tardiness is really an issue, just get Waze. It's really good about finding the fastest route based on current traffic conditions, and will ensure you don't get stuck in a traffic jam caused by an accident.

I have it, I just find it distracting to try to use when I'm driving, especially in an area I visit a maximum of once a year. I find the somewhat cartoonish interface to be annoyingly busy. I will concede that its information can be very useful, though.

They just did a huge interface overhaul a few weeks ago. The new one may be more to your liking. Or not.

I don't find it any more or less annoying or distracting than any other turn-by-turn directions tool like Google Maps or my Garmin. And it's up-to-the-minute traffic information and auto reroutes makes it the only one I use in areas I'm familiar with.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 21, 2015, 02:10:11 PM
Did you know that on Florida's Turnpike you can use the restrooms at the toll plazas if they are on the outside of the toll facility building?  You can only use them then if you are the GP as the inside of the building is restricted only to toll plaza employees.

Also, if you have no money you can obtain a business card with the mailing address of the payment center for the FL TPK Enterprise.  Plus there is no penalty as many frequent users do pull into the plazas habitually and actually without shame tell the toll collector "Hey I have no money" even when the toll collector knows them from previous visits asking the same thing.

I found out recently all of this from being a PT collector in Kissimmee at Exit 244.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on December 22, 2015, 05:47:44 PM
A few colored shields have now departed; even the posts are missing. The green US 27 sign at CR 29 is gone (no photo, hoped to get it), and the US 27 signs at CR 621 in Lake Placid are also history. Even that recent CR 17A sign is gone.

(https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6180/6185095857_e8d4c7e3c1_o.jpg) (http://flic.kr/p/aqyevK)

(https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6143/5962249027_a7de32c1fb_o.jpg) (http://flic.kr/p/a5S5V2)

There's still two more banner-less green shields in the vicinity, although quite faded.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on December 23, 2015, 11:03:43 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 18, 2015, 10:35:25 AM
Need some routing advice if you folks don't mind. We're heading to Florida on our usual Christmas trip and before seeing our relatives, we're visiting a friend who lives on Collins Avenue in Bal Harbour. What's the best way to get there if you're coming down the Turnpike from Orlando? I'd kind of like to knock off the east end of I-595 to finish a clinch, but is it viable to go down US-1 and A1A from there or would we hit too many red lights? Timeliness is a bit of an issue within reason. I see the most direct route is simply to go to the Golden Glades and then east, but I know that sometimes poses traffic issues.

Thanks in advance.

The train was about two hours late in Sanford, so I wound up just taking the most direct route down the Turnpike to the Golden Glades and then across. No opportunity to explore, though on the way to the hotel and then on to my brother-in-law's house I did get to check off a chunk of FL-826 I was missing.

The stretch of the Turnpike between Orlando and Fort Pierce sure is desolate. Makes me understand why there's only that one exit along there! I had not been that way before and had thought it was likely to be the segment I'd probably never drive. Just so happened on this trip we skipped our usual trip to Viera to visit other relatives.

I did blast the horn at a Ferrari going too slowly on Collins Avenue!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on December 24, 2015, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 19, 2015, 09:26:43 AM
Quote from: realjd on December 19, 2015, 09:18:17 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 18, 2015, 10:35:25 AM
Need some routing advice if you folks don't mind. We're heading to Florida on our usual Christmas trip and before seeing our relatives, we're visiting a friend who lives on Collins Avenue in Bal Harbour. What's the best way to get there if you're coming down the Turnpike from Orlando? I'd kind of like to knock off the east end of I-595 to finish a clinch, but is it viable to go down US-1 and A1A from there or would we hit too many red lights? Timeliness is a bit of an issue within reason. I see the most direct route is simply to go to the Golden Glades and then east, but I know that sometimes poses traffic issues.

Thanks in advance.

If tardiness is really an issue, just get Waze. It's really good about finding the fastest route based on current traffic conditions, and will ensure you don't get stuck in a traffic jam caused by an accident.

I have it, I just find it distracting to try to use when I'm driving, especially in an area I visit a maximum of once a year. I find the somewhat cartoonish interface to be annoyingly busy. I will concede that its information can be very useful, though.
I agree on the cartoonish appearance of the waze maps.. I like the information. I like the Google maps satellite view better
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on December 28, 2015, 09:46:52 AM
Ok, one more routing question.....tomorrow we need to go from Fort Myers to Sanford, goal is to arrive by 1:30 but we must be there no later than 2:00. The various mapping apps I have suggest going up US-17 (one suggests starting at FL-80 in Fort Myers, the other suggests I-75 up to Punta Gorda) and picking up I-4 somewhere west of Disney. The all-Interstate route is said to be 7 minutes longer. We've already been that way in the past, so I'm curious whether anyone has any comments about the US Highway. Good route? Slow? Speedtraps galore?

I'm thinking about bypassing the Disney area to the west via 429 up to 414 as well depending on timing. We've gone around 417 many times, and while it's a good route I was thinking about something new.

Thanks in advance for any feedback.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jim on December 28, 2015, 09:57:05 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 28, 2015, 09:46:52 AM
Ok, one more routing question.....tomorrow we need to go from Fort Myers to Sanford, goal is to arrive by 1:30 but we must be there no later than 2:00. The various mapping apps I have suggest going up US-17 (one suggests starting at FL-80 in Fort Myers, the other suggests I-75 up to Punta Gorda) and picking up I-4 somewhere west of Disney. The all-Interstate route is said to be 7 minutes longer. We've already been that way in the past, so I'm curious whether anyone has any comments about the US Highway. Good route? Slow? Speedtraps galore?

It's been a few years since we last tried it, but US 17 was not a problem, reasonably quick and a very nice break from the Interstates, until we got close to the Lakeland/Winter Haven area.  Maybe there's a good way to connect from US 17 to I-4 through there, but we did not succeed in finding it.  It was red light after red light whatever way we went.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: slorydn1 on December 28, 2015, 09:59:12 AM
My little brother lives in Lehigh Acres and always takes FL-80 east to LaBelle, then catches FL-29 to US-27 in Palmdale, up to I-4 when he is coming to visit me. Its like 40ish miles less than I-75 to I-4 to the US-27 interchange (Exit 55) and he says its a relatively fast route when compared to the non freeway US routes you and I would be familiar with in VA and NC. No speed traps, although one never knows when FHP might pop up out of nowhere.

I-4 in Orlando proper can be a real bear, the only time I visited him at his house I sat in bumper to bumper traffic heading eastbound through downtown for something like 45 minutes. If I ever go down there again I will be seeking an alternative way around Orlando myself.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on December 28, 2015, 05:05:01 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 28, 2015, 09:46:52 AM
Ok, one more routing question.....tomorrow we need to go from Fort Myers to Sanford, goal is to arrive by 1:30 but we must be there no later than 2:00. The various mapping apps I have suggest going up US-17 (one suggests starting at FL-80 in Fort Myers, the other suggests I-75 up to Punta Gorda) and picking up I-4 somewhere west of Disney. The all-Interstate route is said to be 7 minutes longer. We've already been that way in the past, so I'm curious whether anyone has any comments about the US Highway. Good route? Slow? Speedtraps galore?

I'm thinking about bypassing the Disney area to the west via 429 up to 414 as well depending on timing. We've gone around 417 many times, and while it's a good route I was thinking about something new.

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

U.S. 17 isn't too bad of a route to take from the Fort Myers area up toward Orlando. I used to travel it every weekend during 2005/06 and found it better than taking I-75 to I-4 or U.S. 27 (which for me was more out of the way). Also, more of U.S. 17 is four-lane with a 65 mph speed limit so that should speed up the process between towns. There are only a few small portions of two-lane left (from south of Nocatee to the one-way couplets in Arcadia, and from the DeSoto/Hardee county line to south of Zolfo Springs). Winter Haven can be a bit slow with the numerous traffic lights, but its not too bad. If you want, once you merge with U.S. 92 east take it to CR 557 in Lake Alfred (there will be I-4 trailblazers). On a given trip it used to take me about 2 hours to get from Cape Coral to I-4 using U.S. 17.

Hope this info helps!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on December 28, 2015, 08:58:06 PM
Thanks to all. Does Route 570 work as an alternative to the lights you mention? I see it on the map and it's a little out of the way, but if it bypasses a bunch of lights it may be worth it.

Based on your replies I'll definitely use Route 17 for some good portion of the trip. Think I'll probably go up I-75 to Punta Gorda to pick it up. Going to do that rather than the US-27 option because I've driven more of 17 in other places and so that road is more relevant to my personal travel history–plus I also figure I'm likely to use 27 sometime between Orlando and Pembroke Pines now that I've finished the Turnpike mainline south of I-4.

Thanks again for the quick replies. Feels like we just got here and it's already time to go home.  :-(  I like getting home to my own bed, but our relatives' kids are really nice and we seldom see them.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on December 29, 2015, 10:56:37 AM
Quote from: slorydn1 on December 28, 2015, 09:59:12 AM
My little brother lives in Lehigh Acres and always takes FL-80 east to LaBelle, then catches FL-29 to US-27 in Palmdale, up to I-4 when he is coming to visit me. Its like 40ish miles less than I-75 to I-4 to the US-27 interchange (Exit 55) and he says its a relatively fast route when compared to the non freeway US routes you and I would be familiar with in VA and NC. No speed traps, although one never knows when FHP might pop up out of nowhere.

Glades County Sheriff's Department enjoys its multiple speed traps along US 27 and along FL 29, so be mindful of speed limits.

1995hoo, US 17 should be four lanes throughout, I was just driving through there a week ago. Just watch your speed as you enter the city limits of Arcadia, Zolfo Springs, Wauchula, et al. The speed limits usually go from 65-55-45-35, so they generally play fair...the 35 mph zones are the most common in rural cities with at least one stop light. Arcadia might be the worst of the bunch for enforcement; even so, it's nothing like Waldo, Lawtey, or the aforementioned Glades County.

I know you're not a big sign geek, but I don't think there's any extant yellow US 17s until you hit Davenport.

I think the minimum toll on FL 570 is $1.00, even from one exit to the immediate next, but I haven't been up that way in nearly 4 years. Florida's Turnpike Toll Calculator shows $1.06 from US 17/98 west to I-4 and $2.12 east to I-4 if a SunPass owner.

A popular late-afternoon thing to do in Lakeland is to go see the swans (geez, they're huge) around Lake Hollingsworth or Lake Morton.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on December 29, 2015, 01:41:30 PM
We are in Sanford and checked in for the train. Thanks again for the advice. We took I-75 to Punta Gorda, then US-17 up to, I believe, Bartow. Good drive. I only saw formulanone's comment now, but I was keeping it to 5 mph over the limit and slowing down in the towns. Didn't see any cops on there. The work zone where it's being widened to four lanes was only a minor nuisance. It was a relaxing drive. Last week on the train south we watched a movie about Brian Wilson, so I put on Pet Sounds and enjoyed the lack of traffic.

From Bartow we popped up to FL-570 and went around the east side. There's a brief Super-Two segment. I don't find that odd, but what WAS weird was a toll plaza in the middle of the Super-Two portion! I don't think I've ever seen that before. Closest was probably the Key Bridge plaza in Maryland before I-695 was widened, but there it was not Super-Two both before and after the toll plaza. Odd.

I-4 was heavy as always, so we exited onto FL-429 up to 414 and back to I-4 north of downtown. Nice route, very little traffic, one cop. Decent view of Disney World in the distance at one point (it'd be a better view heading south). The toll roads are worth it just to avoid the congestion, though I'd go nuts if I didn't have a SunPass.

So thanks again to all for the advice.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on December 29, 2015, 05:22:42 PM
Glad that your routing worked for you and that you had no real issues.

I'm surprised the turnpike authority hasn't gone ahead and completed the four-laning of SR 570, especially since they added the Pace Road interchange (Exit 23) for the nearby Florida Polytechnic University a few years ago. Traffic counts must still not warrant an upgrade.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on December 29, 2015, 06:10:56 PM
The Super-Two portion seemed adequate today, but of course a Tuesday afternoon on the week between Christmas and New Year's isn't the right time to judge such things. I was happy to see a transportation agency planning ahead, though–everything is set up for them to dualize it when the time comes (including the overpasses being built over a second not-yet-built carriageway), unlike other places that build for what they need now.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on January 02, 2016, 01:35:01 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 29, 2015, 01:41:30 PMI-4 was heavy as always, so we exited onto FL-429 up to 414 and back to I-4 north of downtown. Nice route, very little traffic, one cop. Decent view of Disney World in the distance at one point (it'd be a better view heading south). The toll roads are worth it just to avoid the congestion, though I'd go nuts if I didn't have a SunPass.

Mile marker 13 is pretty much posted right at the apex on FL 429 where you can really see lots of Disney. I even parked up there one night on the shoulder and watched the fireworks while playing the music in the car. Ah, memories.

When I lived in Orlando I loved using the toll roads and used them pretty much any chance I got. SunPass does make using the roads extremely easy and efficient. I'd definitely take a road with moving traffic over a congested surface street anyday.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 03, 2016, 01:38:53 PM
Quote from: flaroads on December 29, 2015, 05:22:42 PM
Glad that your routing worked for you and that you had no real issues.

I'm surprised the turnpike authority hasn't gone ahead and completed the four-laning of SR 570, especially since they added the Pace Road interchange (Exit 23) for the nearby Florida Polytechnic University a few years ago. Traffic counts must still not warrant an upgrade.
I know some road geeks that think that we should not be tolled on two lane facilities.  Yes it does seem weird, but a two lane verses four lane, is just two lanes.

Anyway, tolling both Goldenrod Road and Osceola Parkway is worse yet.  Those are not even freeways and I would pay $ to drive a two lane road over the surface streets.

The only problem I have with SR 570 is that the two mainline plazas in Lakeland are too close to each other going against Florida Turnpike procedures.  Normally the Turnpike Enterprise likes to space the toll plazas further away to avoid stopping in such short distances.  Example is the Turnpike mainline from its northern terminus to Three Lakes south of St. Cloud.  You only have the Leesburg Mainline in between and the toll there goes from US 301 to SR 50 in Oakland.  Then from Oakland south it has ramp tolls southward going into the ticket system.  The actual ticket system north of Yeehaw Junction covers the tolls from SR 60 to SR 50 at Oakland.  So from Three Lakes (northern ticket terminus) to I-75 you stop only once at Leesburg (between the two US 27 interchanges) instead of three or four times like most coin drops do.

On SR 570 you go from one side of US 98 to the other and get charged twice!  Even the Beechline SR 528 was sort of like that, though not FDOT, but the former OOCEA eliminated the SR 520 mainline plaza to consolidate before they reversed that move several years later by adding the Dallas Boulevard mainline in their attempt to keep the tolls alive and prevent the Orlando Expressways from being paid off to soon.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on January 03, 2016, 06:32:22 PM
I didn't have any objection to encountering the toll plaza on the two-lane portion. I just found it to be odd because I couldn't ever remember encountering a road that was a two-lane road both before and after a toll plaza.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on January 04, 2016, 09:08:45 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 03, 2016, 01:38:53 PM
Even the Beechline SR 528 was sort of like that, though not FDOT, but the former OOCEA eliminated the SR 520 mainline plaza to consolidate before they reversed that move several years later by adding the Dallas Boulevard mainline in their attempt to keep the tolls alive and prevent the Orlando Expressways from being paid off to soon.

Not exactly; the reasoning was to encourage more people in the Avalon Park area to use the International Corporate Park exit on and off the Beachline (via Innovation Way), they were complaining about paying the full toll so they split it by building the Dallas Boulevard toll plaza.

You will never see the tolls removed on the Beachline as long as they can use that cash flow to bond building more toll roads. I'm happy enough that they removed the tolls in Brevard County back in the early 90s.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 04, 2016, 08:20:02 PM
The widened section of Florida State Road 50 in western Hernando County includes some bike paths on the sides, and additional bike lanes in the roadway. The bike path on the south side in front of the Wal-Mart driveway includes a huge bump, because the driveway goes down a hill, and the bike path runs flat across it. Tomorrow, FDOT is going to close that driveway and do some work on that error, but either tonight or tomorrow, I'll be able to show off many of the anomalies and errors along the reconstructed road.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 06, 2016, 11:52:45 PM
I just got back from a week long trip in Florida today. I got to visit some parts of the state I hadn't been to in over a decade and take some pictures.

I've never seen a City Route shield anywhere in Florida until I saw the one in Holmes Beach for 789 (Gulf Drive). Both signs are near the terminus of SR 64.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F65ZLusi.jpg&hash=5c4f87308d46782164a64cc6f4d1f9082b27f09c)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FpxyJu9O.jpg&hash=55fe2e913da07f9565b42d4360f7e7f20fb89da8)

I had also never seen a county route shield used for a simple street name, but that was the case for NW 36 Street in Okeechobee County.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FzMXSYIB.png&hash=e6342e93de94cab1aadaf6ea0936f7b6860f2e9f)

Also while in St. Augustine, the CR A1A shields at the intersection between it and SR A1A have been removed, and replaced with these scenic highway signs with a "BUSINESS" tag on them.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fsr9oocU.jpg&hash=2487d96616a079bf2a38dfd3f51ddb53812cd6e1)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Rothman on January 07, 2016, 09:24:54 AM
Scenic businesses?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 07, 2016, 10:11:06 AM
Quote from: emory on January 06, 2016, 11:52:45 PM
I've never seen a City Route shield anywhere in Florida until I saw the one in Holmes Beach for 789 (Gulf Drive). Both signs are near the terminus of SR 64.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F65ZLusi.jpg&hash=5c4f87308d46782164a64cc6f4d1f9082b27f09c)

I think it's the only place I've seen them, either. Usually, there's no designation at all.

QuoteI had also never seen a county route shield used for a simple street name, but that was the case for NW 36 Street in Okeechobee County.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FzMXSYIB.png&hash=e6342e93de94cab1aadaf6ea0936f7b6860f2e9f)

That was former State Secondary 718, later CR 718. Last went by there in 2012, but I forget if there was an actual 718 shield...seemed like it only existed on paper, and the locals just called it NW 36th.

The Florida Scenic Route situation is something created by Florida in the early-2000s, but they don't always route it along actual state routes. There's a former State A1A, which is now County A1A, and so I'm speculating the newest routing of A1A in St. Augustine didn't get the scenic route designation.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 07, 2016, 10:18:13 AM
Quote from: emory on January 06, 2016, 11:52:45 PM
I just got back from a week long trip in Florida today. I got to visit some parts of the state I hadn't been to in over a decade and take some pictures.

I've never seen a City Route shield anywhere in Florida until I saw the one in Holmes Beach for 789 (Gulf Drive). Both signs are near the terminus of SR 64.

Do you note the two keys shields posted at the same intersection on "City 789" southbound?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 07, 2016, 02:39:01 PM
Here's one of the other features of the widened SR 50. A U-Turn Lane at Mariner Boulevard. It even has a U-Turn signal.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FGhZ4eaI.jpg&hash=6779ce6d9ef10c8931767ac64949a2346c97262a)

I'll get more images some other time. I've got to prepare a possible trip to the local antique car show tonight.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 07, 2016, 03:39:29 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 07, 2016, 10:11:06 AM
The Florida Scenic Route situation is something created by Florida in the early-2000s, but they don't always route it along actual state routes. There's a former State A1A, which is now County A1A, and so I'm speculating the newest routing of A1A in St. Augustine didn't get the scenic route designation.

That intersection used to have a SOUTH CR A1A sign next to the SOUTH SR A1A sign. Maybe it was too confusing for motorists not knowing which southbound A1A to take.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 07, 2016, 04:15:54 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on January 04, 2016, 09:08:45 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 03, 2016, 01:38:53 PM
Even the Beechline SR 528 was sort of like that, though not FDOT, but the former OOCEA eliminated the SR 520 mainline plaza to consolidate before they reversed that move several years later by adding the Dallas Boulevard mainline in their attempt to keep the tolls alive and prevent the Orlando Expressways from being paid off to soon.

Not exactly; the reasoning was to encourage more people in the Avalon Park area to use the International Corporate Park exit on and off the Beachline (via Innovation Way), they were complaining about paying the full toll so they split it by building the Dallas Boulevard toll plaza.

You will never see the tolls removed on the Beachline as long as they can use that cash flow to bond building more toll roads. I'm happy enough that they removed the tolls in Brevard County back in the early 90s.
The people getting on at International Corporate Park Boulevard cannot afford one dollar?  Heck, they do not even go east from there if they're coming from Avalon Park.  If you need to get to Cocoa Beach from there you take 50 east to 520 and then hop on the 528.

That move was just to annex more construction like building the flyovers from EB FL 408 to NB FL 417 or redesigning the FL 429 and FL 414 interchange by removing two overpasses and ripping up a half a mile of mainline. 

You are right, the Beachline is there to make other toll roads.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 07, 2016, 04:55:50 PM
Quote from: emory on January 07, 2016, 03:39:29 PM
That intersection used to have a SOUTH CR A1A sign next to the SOUTH SR A1A sign. Maybe it was too confusing for motorists not knowing which southbound A1A to take.

They should have called it something from the CR 2000's and left it at that.

Quote from: Alex on January 07, 2016, 10:18:13 AM
Quote from: emory on January 06, 2016, 11:52:45 PM
I've never seen a City Route shield anywhere in Florida until I saw the one in Holmes Beach for 789 (Gulf Drive). Both signs are near the terminus of SR 64.

Do you note the two keys shields posted at the same intersection on "City 789" southbound?

These, I presume? Nice duo of untampered Keys shields, and the old tapered arrow.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1651/24237966865_9147fb150f_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CVPV7r)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 07, 2016, 07:20:03 PM
A few more. As someone who grew up in Coral Springs in the 90s, and over time gradually saw University Drive extended north, it's nice to see these two roads finally meet.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FZtP5TAq.jpg&hash=7c60786595a501d65ea528af4334dcc166f6f5cc)

Nob Hill Road is almost there. Here's the northern terminus at Loxahatchee Road (CR 827).
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FG9OhrU4.jpg&hash=b387998a22bf4386c159a86f140422eb759e24a4)

Pictures from the northern terminus of SR 7 at Northlake Blvd. Odd that they appear to be ending the road here, considering the Bee Line Highway (SR 710) is just a little over a mile to the north. The southern segment currently ends at a roundabout with 60th Street N. There's still a gap between it and Sandhill Way to the north.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FcAh9jht.jpg&hash=2a6f9c3dd31dbf449a29938d6f7ca72a16326839)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F4LY6jse.jpg&hash=3e640d8799a55ea7f91b9cdc22be686e98fd1bc6)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 07, 2016, 07:54:41 PM
Quote from: emory on January 07, 2016, 07:20:03 PM
Pictures from the northern terminus of SR 7 at Northlake Blvd. Odd that they appear to be ending the road here, considering the Bee Line Highway (SR 710) is just a little over a mile to the north.
http://www.pbcgov.com/pzb/planning/AdoptedOrd/15-1/Ord-2015-19.pdf

In short, the unbuilt extension is surrounded by conservation land, and a planned extension of Seminole Pratt Whitney Road would fulfill the same desire for a north-south connection.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 07, 2016, 08:37:50 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 07, 2016, 04:15:54 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on January 04, 2016, 09:08:45 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 03, 2016, 01:38:53 PM
Even the Beechline SR 528 was sort of like that, though not FDOT, but the former OOCEA eliminated the SR 520 mainline plaza to consolidate before they reversed that move several years later by adding the Dallas Boulevard mainline in their attempt to keep the tolls alive and prevent the Orlando Expressways from being paid off to soon.

Not exactly; the reasoning was to encourage more people in the Avalon Park area to use the International Corporate Park exit on and off the Beachline (via Innovation Way), they were complaining about paying the full toll so they split it by building the Dallas Boulevard toll plaza.

You will never see the tolls removed on the Beachline as long as they can use that cash flow to bond building more toll roads. I'm happy enough that they removed the tolls in Brevard County back in the early 90s.
The people getting on at International Corporate Park Boulevard cannot afford one dollar?  Heck, they do not even go east from there if they're coming from Avalon Park.  If you need to get to Cocoa Beach from there you take 50 east to 520 and then hop on the 528.

That move was just to annex more construction like building the flyovers from EB FL 408 to NB FL 417 or redesigning the FL 429 and FL 414 interchange by removing two overpasses and ripping up a half a mile of mainline. 

You are right, the Beachline is there to make other toll roads.

For residents working jobs in Orlando that's $260/year assuming they work 5 days a week. It's only fair to make the cost/mile as even as possible for all commuters.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 07, 2016, 08:47:37 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 07, 2016, 07:54:41 PM
In short, the unbuilt extension is surrounded by conservation land, and a planned extension of Seminole Pratt Whitney Road would fulfill the same desire for a north-south connection.

Geez, they've talked about extending Seminole-Pratt for well over 20 years.

Quote from: emory on January 07, 2016, 07:20:03 PM
A few more. As someone who grew up in Coral Springs in the 90s, and over time gradually saw University Drive extended north, it's nice to see these two roads finally meet.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FZtP5TAq.jpg&hash=7c60786595a501d65ea528af4334dcc166f6f5cc)

I once read that the intention of connecting Glades Road to University Drive (since it would connect Florida Atlantic to University of Miami) was proposed in 1964. That just leaves about one mile left in West Boca to complete.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 07, 2016, 09:01:30 PM
Here's the sign you see before the U-Turn Lane. I also got an earlier shot of this at an angle, because I was taking it directly from the median itself. To capture this I had to step off the median a little less than a foot.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FibAnN4P.jpg&hash=a124bbe0a73fd41d1a40bcb85c344c604f9380a4)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 07, 2016, 09:12:04 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 07, 2016, 09:01:30 PM
To capture this I had to step off the median a little less than a foot.
Spoken like a true manly man.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 07, 2016, 09:25:03 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 07, 2016, 08:47:37 PM
I once read that the intention of connecting Glades Road to University Drive (since it would connect Florida Atlantic to University of Miami) was proposed in 1964. That just leaves about one mile left in West Boca to complete.

The portion of University Drive in Palm Beach County, from the end of Palmetto Park Road to Boca Falls Drive, was not long ago renamed to Glades Road. Also the "Future Extension of University Drive" signs that were up at Loxahatchee Road were removed. Same goes for the Nob Hill Road extension signs. That road was planned to go all the way to Yamato Road where a segment has already been built under its Coral Springs name: Coral Ridge Drive. Now the extension sign there has been changed to say it'll be extended to Glades Road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on January 07, 2016, 09:43:25 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 07, 2016, 04:15:54 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on January 04, 2016, 09:08:45 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 03, 2016, 01:38:53 PM
Even the Beechline SR 528 was sort of like that, though not FDOT, but the former OOCEA eliminated the SR 520 mainline plaza to consolidate before they reversed that move several years later by adding the Dallas Boulevard mainline in their attempt to keep the tolls alive and prevent the Orlando Expressways from being paid off to soon.

Not exactly; the reasoning was to encourage more people in the Avalon Park area to use the International Corporate Park exit on and off the Beachline (via Innovation Way), they were complaining about paying the full toll so they split it by building the Dallas Boulevard toll plaza.

You will never see the tolls removed on the Beachline as long as they can use that cash flow to bond building more toll roads. I'm happy enough that they removed the tolls in Brevard County back in the early 90s.
The people getting on at International Corporate Park Boulevard cannot afford one dollar?  Heck, they do not even go east from there if they're coming from Avalon Park.  If you need to get to Cocoa Beach from there you take 50 east to 520 and then hop on the 528.

That move was just to annex more construction like building the flyovers from EB FL 408 to NB FL 417 or redesigning the FL 429 and FL 414 interchange by removing two overpasses and ripping up a half a mile of mainline. 

You are right, the Beachline is there to make other toll roads.
Yes, they whinged over it, I read the Sentinel article on it.  Having had to commute to Orlando from Brevard County I have zero sympathy for them, they chose to live there and they shouldn't have been accommodated.  If they didn't like it there's a free route available called Colonial Drive, aka SR 50, which is also being widened. Not to mention I didn't hear folks in Wedgefield frothing at the mouth over the ramp tolls at Dallas Boulevard either.

And while I'm here, one of the things that was supposed to happen when they built the Dallas Boulevard toll booth was the conversion of the Dallas Boulevard interchange to a full diamond...and I don't see anyone moving any dirt. Gee, wonder why?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 08, 2016, 09:47:56 AM
Quote from: emory on January 07, 2016, 09:25:03 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 07, 2016, 08:47:37 PM
I once read that the intention of connecting Glades Road to University Drive (since it would connect Florida Atlantic to University of Miami) was proposed in 1964. That just leaves about one mile left in West Boca to complete.

The portion of University Drive in Palm Beach County, from the end of Palmetto Park Road to Boca Falls Drive, was not long ago renamed to Glades Road. Also the "Future Extension of University Drive" signs that were up at Loxahatchee Road were removed. Same goes for the Nob Hill Road extension signs. That road was planned to go all the way to Yamato Road where a segment has already been built under its Coral Springs name: Coral Ridge Drive. Now the extension sign there has been changed to say it'll be extended to Glades Road.

Coral Springs always had a fancy for renaming roads that entered its limits; for the few years I lived there, giving directions could be odd. Probably even more weird for the folks living in Parkland, where the the roads would retain the name once you left CS's city limits.

I have no idea how the Coral Ridge Drive off Yamato in western Boca will ever connect to the one in Parkland (as Nob Hill Road), because they're offset too many miles apart. It's as if they picked the wrong designation...maybe Palm Beach County just really liked the name.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 08, 2016, 12:04:06 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 07, 2016, 09:12:04 PM
Spoken like a true manly man.
Oh, you're funny. :P

Here's that bump that FDOT ended up making in front of Wal-Mart on FL 50 in Spring Hill.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fph638Jb.jpg&hash=e92627ae7dccd74aac3681238c06c28112c1e564)
I made a small video of cars and trucks going over it, but I turned it off before I could show a Hernando County Bus nearly scraping the thing.




Some people who were upset about the bump plopped a couple of these handmade signs there.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fu9S6GAV.jpg&hash=ef6ee91ffb58796d849a69eae2844cb960c3636d)


FDOT smoothed out the bump on the night of January 5, but they're still doing other work there too.

I've got some pics of SR 50 at Barclay Avenue and the entrance to the Brookridge retirement community next.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 08, 2016, 09:52:15 PM
I was wondering when these gateway signs would appear...

I-10 gateway sign construction begins Sunday (http://www.pnj.com/story/news/traffic/2016/01/08/-10-gateway-sign-construction-begins-sunday/78516640/)

QuoteConstruction activities are scheduled to begin Sunday on Interstate 10 (I-10) near the Florida/Alabama State line in Escambia County. According to a press release from the Florida Department of Transportation, the $1.9 million contract includes construction of two gateway structure sign structures just east of the Florida/Alabama State line and construction of a photograph opportunity sign and renovation of the hardscaping around the sign at the Florida Welcome Center.

QuoteThe contractor has three months to complete the project.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 09, 2016, 04:00:01 AM
Quote from: formulanone on January 08, 2016, 09:47:56 AM
Quote from: emory on January 07, 2016, 09:25:03 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 07, 2016, 08:47:37 PM
I once read that the intention of connecting Glades Road to University Drive (since it would connect Florida Atlantic to University of Miami) was proposed in 1964. That just leaves about one mile left in West Boca to complete.

The portion of University Drive in Palm Beach County, from the end of Palmetto Park Road to Boca Falls Drive, was not long ago renamed to Glades Road. Also the "Future Extension of University Drive" signs that were up at Loxahatchee Road were removed. Same goes for the Nob Hill Road extension signs. That road was planned to go all the way to Yamato Road where a segment has already been built under its Coral Springs name: Coral Ridge Drive. Now the extension sign there has been changed to say it'll be extended to Glades Road.

Coral Springs always had a fancy for renaming roads that entered its limits; for the few years I lived there, giving directions could be odd. Probably even more weird for the folks living in Parkland, where the the roads would retain the name once you left CS's city limits.

I have no idea how the Coral Ridge Drive off Yamato in western Boca will ever connect to the one in Parkland (as Nob Hill Road), because they're offset too many miles apart. It's as if they picked the wrong designation...maybe Palm Beach County just really liked the name.

No idea how Coral Ridge/Nob Hill connection was ever planned, but it appears to be dead. There used to be a Pine Island Road extension sign at Loxahatchee Road, until it was constructed and wound up terminating at Nob Hill Road in Parkland.

Riverside Drive was another planned extension into Palm Beach County. A segment has been built between Glades Road and Palmetto Park Road in Palm Beach County, but the neighborhood of Boca Reserve has been built in its path meaning those extension plans are likely no more.

One more. The current western dead end of Hillsboro Blvd in Parkland, looking east towards Nob Hill Road.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FbYgAk4a.jpg&hash=3bf803e9344f4d24a54e8c9705e1c98f2784a583)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on January 09, 2016, 09:32:53 AM
I forget which year it was but, the land known as the "triangle," a piece of southern Palm Beach County that contained only a disconnected piece of Loxahatchee Road (County Route 827) and was only accessible from Broward County via US 441 (State Road 7) in Parkland became Broward County.  The year 2007 or 2008 come to mind.

The Florida Legislature agreed to have Palm Beach County transfer the land to Broward County and change the county line incorporating the "triangle" so that Loxahatchee Road remained entirely within Broward County.  I believe the Hillsboro Canal the flows along the northern side of Loxahatchee Road which now serves as the county line.

The price for transferring this triangular piece of land to Broward County was that the roads and the necessary bridges from the cities of Coral Springs and Parkland will not be extended or built over the canal along Loxahatchee Road into unincorporated west Boca neighborhoods of Palm Beach County.

University Drive, Coral Ridge Drive/Nob Hill Road and Riverside Drive will not be allowed to be built or connect to roads of a similar name north of County Route 827/Loxahatchee Road and all this land become Broward County, most likely to be eventually annexed into the City of Parkland.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on January 09, 2016, 09:35:01 AM
Some additional helpful information about the "triangle."  And, it was 2009.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2009-09-19/news/0909180354_1_palm-beach-county-boundary-change-parkland
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: UCFKnights on January 09, 2016, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 08, 2016, 12:04:06 PM

Some people who were upset about the bump plopped a couple of these handmade signs there.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fu9S6GAV.jpg&hash=ef6ee91ffb58796d849a69eae2844cb960c3636d)


FDOT smoothed out the bump on the night of January 5, but they're still doing other work there too.

I've got some pics of SR 50 at Barclay Avenue and the entrance to the Brookridge retirement community next.
What part of that sign is homemade?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 09, 2016, 09:38:12 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on January 09, 2016, 09:35:01 AM
Some additional helpful information about the "triangle."  And, it was 2009.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2009-09-19/news/0909180354_1_palm-beach-county-boundary-change-parkland

Thanks for that article. I always wondered when that border was changed. I drove down Lox Road a few times growing up and remember when I would reach the "Entering Palm Beach County" signpost. Not long before I left the state, the road had a series of speedbumps laid down across it. I imagine this was in response to the accidents and deaths that had occurred on the road due to people racing on it. Those bumps have been removed. For a short while, what's now Hillsboro Blvd through Parkland was being constructed as County Line Road.

Parkland has always taken a one big neighborhood approach to itself. Broward County maintains very few roads in town. Those roads are Riverside Drive, Holmberg Road east of Riverside Drive, and Loxahatchee Road (CR 827). The other major roads, Nob Hill Road, Pine Island Road, University Drive, Hillsboro Boulevard, and Holmberg Road west of Riverside are all under city maintenance. It would suck because it was always a fight to get past the city's anti-traffic light stance. They wanted 4-way stops and roundabouts everywhere. The Pine Island/Holmberg light was a miracle. I don't know what made them cave, but having gone to Stoneman Douglas HS, that 4-way stop constantly held up traffic. There's one at Trails End and Pine Island Road now too. I can think of at least six more intersections that should have lights.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on January 10, 2016, 08:32:06 AM
Agreed, particularly about the lack of traffic lights in Parkland.  The City of Parkland also likes low speed limits to go with their little circles and four-way stops.

When I lived in Coral Springs for 16+ years, Loxahatchee Road had a reputation for high speeds since it went absolutely nowhere, dead-ended in the middle of the Wildlife Refuge and was an absolutely straight, flat road.  There are virtually no homes, a few airboat businesses with some sod and palm tree farms, all located on the southside of the road.  The Hillsboro Canal is entirely on the northside with a guardrail protecting the canal bank.  At night, it is completely pitch black, the flashing yellow warning lights at the end of the road way, way off in the distance are the only signs of civilization. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 10, 2016, 09:53:07 AM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on January 09, 2016, 09:32:53 AM
I forget which year it was but, the land known as the "triangle," a piece of southern Palm Beach County that contained only a disconnected piece of Loxahatchee Road (County Route 827) and was only accessible from Broward County via US 441 (State Road 7) in Parkland became Broward County.  The year 2007 or 2008 come to mind.

The Florida Legislature agreed to have Palm Beach County transfer the land to Broward County and change the county line incorporating the "triangle" so that Loxahatchee Road remained entirely within Broward County.  I believe the Hillsboro Canal the flows along the northern side of Loxahatchee Road which now serves as the county line.

The price for transferring this triangular piece of land to Broward County was that the roads and the necessary bridges from the cities of Coral Springs and Parkland will not be extended or built over the canal along Loxahatchee Road into unincorporated west Boca neighborhoods of Palm Beach County.

University Drive, Coral Ridge Drive/Nob Hill Road and Riverside Drive will not be allowed to be built or connect to roads of a similar name north of County Route 827/Loxahatchee Road and all this land become Broward County, most likely to be eventually annexed into the City of Parkland.

Wow, I never realized that happened. That explains some of the development in that area.

I'd noticed the signs decades ago, but my last trip along 827 was in 2011, when they were curiously absent.

I do think at least one routing across the Hillsboro Canal (say, for University Drive - Glades Road) would help those in western Boca/Parkland/Coral Springs, rather than going all the way out to traffic-clogged State Road 7.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on January 10, 2016, 12:08:20 PM
"I do think at least one routing across the Hillsboro Canal (say, for University Drive - Glades Road) would help those in western Boca/Parkland/Coral Springs, rather than going all the way out to traffic-clogged State Road 7."

That would make perfect sense.  It was absolutely and loudly opposed by the people in Parkland and northwestern Coral Springs, thus the land swap.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 11, 2016, 12:34:00 AM
Quote from: UCFKnights on January 09, 2016, 04:01:14 PM
What part of that sign is homemade?
Obviously the misspelled, stenciled "By FDOT" sign mounted over it.

BTW, I'm still working on naming the SR 50 and Barclay signals.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on January 11, 2016, 06:44:18 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on January 10, 2016, 08:32:06 AM
Agreed, particularly about the lack of traffic lights in Parkland.  The City of Parkland also likes low speed limits to go with their little circles and four-way stops.

When I lived in Coral Springs for 16+ years, Loxahatchee Road had a reputation for high speeds since it went absolutely nowhere, dead-ended in the middle of the Wildlife Refuge and was an absolutely straight, flat road.  There are virtually no homes, a few airboat businesses with some sod and palm tree farms, all located on the southside of the road.  The Hillsboro Canal is entirely on the northside with a guardrail protecting the canal bank.  At night, it is completely pitch black, the flashing yellow warning lights at the end of the road way, way off in the distance are the only signs of civilization.

You could see those little yellow lights for miles. Lox Road now has speed bumps. The CR 827 shields on SR7 are long gone.

GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.3466831,-80.2681123,3a,57.1y,300.5h,74.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sm7I_02xm7iWJTzeVzz_bow!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 11, 2016, 07:16:03 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on January 10, 2016, 08:32:06 AM
Agreed, particularly about the lack of traffic lights in Parkland.  The City of Parkland also likes low speed limits to go with their little circles and four-way stops.

Which is funny since Nob Hill Road is 45 MPH through Parkland, despite hitting a handful of 4-way stops.

Quote from: clef on January 11, 2016, 06:44:18 PM
You could see those little yellow lights for miles. Lox Road now has speed bumps. The CR 827 shields on SR7 are long gone.

GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.3466831,-80.2681123,3a,57.1y,300.5h,74.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sm7I_02xm7iWJTzeVzz_bow!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

Broward County has removed a few of those speedbumps.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 14, 2016, 05:53:02 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/traffic/I-4-makeover/os-i-4-ultimate-renderings-orlando-florida-pg-012-photo.html

A rendering of the new I-4 Lake Ivanhoe Bridge in Orlando, FL as part of the I-4 Ultimate Project.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: brownpelican on January 17, 2016, 01:05:03 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 14, 2016, 05:53:02 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/traffic/I-4-makeover/os-i-4-ultimate-renderings-orlando-florida-pg-012-photo.html

A rendering of the new I-4 Lake Ivanhoe Bridge in Orlando, FL as part of the I-4 Ultimate Project.

DAMN! That is nice.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: andy3175 on January 17, 2016, 01:31:50 AM
Quote from: Fred Defender on January 12, 2015, 05:01:10 PM
I don't have a photo to illustrate, but here's an oddity from Florida 30+ years ago:

Several miles north of Venice on US41, at the intersection of Albee Road, there used to be signs for "WEST 789" (indicating then SR789 - now a Sarasota County road). Then, 5-6 miles north, at Blackburn Point Road, there was another sign for "WEST 789". Unlike Siesta Key farther north which 789 ran up the length of, I do not believe that Casey Key Road itself was ever actually a state road.

FDOT should have marked Albee Road west of 41 for NORTH 789 and Blackburn Point as SOUTH 789. It was weird as heck to see signs for "WEST 789" and a few miles up the road see "WEST 789" again.

I've noticed it is difficult to find traditional Sarasota County Road pentagon route markers ... many of the County Roads appear to be unsigned, except when they intersect with I-75. My most recent example was looking at Sarasota County Road 765 (Jacaranda Blvd). Is this county doing away with signed county road markers?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 17, 2016, 01:12:47 PM
Can everybody here see that the left-turn signals are facing both directions on this pole?

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fxeewp0r.jpg&hash=ce842cd2ea663652629a9a7a71165472ecf4b622)

That's eastbound Florida State Road 50 at Barclay Avenue and the entrance to the Brookridge Community. They've got the same thing on the pole over the westbound lane.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on January 17, 2016, 07:06:23 PM
Quote from: andy3175 on January 17, 2016, 01:31:50 AM
I've noticed it is difficult to find traditional Sarasota County Road pentagon route markers ... many of the County Roads appear to be unsigned, except when they intersect with I-75. My most recent example was looking at Sarasota County Road 765 (Jacaranda Blvd). Is this county doing away with signed county road markers?

As far as I know from my time working at Sarasota County, the numbered county road designations are more derived from an internal numbering system, much like some of the county road numbers in Pinellas County. Unlike Pinellas County though, Sarasota County simply has not, and does not, sign these routes.

University Parkway (CR 610) is somewhat of an exception, as it was originally planned in the late 1970's (according to FDOT Right-of-Way maps) as SR 610 but was never signed as such. When pentagons were first erected on guide signs along I-75, University Parkway was designated as CR 750, but were covered up by 2013 with CR 610 pentagons.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Stephane Dumas on January 20, 2016, 09:23:57 PM
I saw this short news from Tollroadsnews about the Polk County commissioners who wants to restart the cancelled Central Polk parkway project by creating a county regional toll authority.
http://tollroadsnews.com/news/daily-news-brief-january-13-2016#polk
http://www.theledger.com/article/20160112/news/160119832
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on January 21, 2016, 08:48:08 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on January 20, 2016, 09:23:57 PM
I saw this short news from Tollroadsnews about the Polk County commissioners who wants to restart the cancelled Central Polk parkway project by creating a county regional toll authority.
http://tollroadsnews.com/news/daily-news-brief-january-13-2016#polk
http://www.theledger.com/article/20160112/news/160119832

Thanks for the update! I actually hadn't checked on the status of this project in a while so I had no idea that FDOT shelved it last month. And if the shelving was mentioned on here in the last month or so, I must have just missed it.

Hopefully they are successful in forming an expressway authority to continue the planning and implementation of this project. Though it would be toll it would be a badly needed relief route for U.S. 27 and other area corridors. Plus it might serve as a possible alternative (though a little costly depending on the toll amounts) for those driving to points of interest in southwest Florida from the Orlando area, instead of using I-4 to I-75.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 22, 2016, 03:01:01 AM
During my time in the Bradenton area I got to drive on FL 681 (old I-75), connecting US 41 in Nokomis to I-75. For the longest time it's been an expressway, but they've begun developing in the area and a few shopping plazas are going up. Now the road has one traffic light intersection active, and two more in progress.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 22, 2016, 02:37:32 PM
Quote from: emory on January 22, 2016, 03:01:01 AM
FL 681 (old I-75)
[citation needed]
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 22, 2016, 02:57:11 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 22, 2016, 02:37:32 PM
Quote from: emory on January 22, 2016, 03:01:01 AM
FL 681 (old I-75)
[citation needed]

Says on Wikipedia (no citation of course) that I-75 previously ended at SR681 which would have at least given the appearance that I-75 continued along it.

Edit: isn't there a website with historic Florida highway maps? I seem to remember there being one but I can't find it now.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 22, 2016, 03:26:22 PM
Quote from: realjd on January 22, 2016, 02:57:11 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 22, 2016, 02:37:32 PM
Quote from: emory on January 22, 2016, 03:01:01 AM
FL 681 (old I-75)
[citation needed]

Says on Wikipedia (no citation of course) that I-75 previously ended at SR681 which would have at least given the appearance that I-75 continued along it.

Edit: isn't there a website with historic Florida highway maps? I seem to remember there being one but I can't find it now.

Mmmm, I thought I-75's southern terminus was US 41 at FL 681 from the mid-1970s to mid-1980s. Could have sworn I've seen a few maps ending it Venice.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on January 22, 2016, 05:26:40 PM
I-75 never strictly ended at State Road 681 as mentioned on Wikipedia. When that section opened by 1981, it opened from River Road to U.S. 301. Having grown up in the area and traveling with my parents frequently between Fort Myers and the Tampa area, we used I-75 wherever it was opened.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on January 24, 2016, 03:02:10 PM
Quote from: emory on January 07, 2016, 03:39:29 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 07, 2016, 10:11:06 AM
The Florida Scenic Route situation is something created by Florida in the early-2000s, but they don't always route it along actual state routes. There's a former State A1A, which is now County A1A, and so I'm speculating the newest routing of A1A in St. Augustine didn't get the scenic route designation.

That intersection used to have a SOUTH CR A1A sign next to the SOUTH SR A1A sign. Maybe it was too confusing for motorists not knowing which southbound A1A to take.

At the southern split, CR A1A used to be signed as Business CR A1A but those signs are long gone now.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on January 24, 2016, 03:13:01 PM
For some reason, SR 312 was extended east from SR A1A to CR A1A in St. Augustine. [0.233 miles]

SR 429 from CR 435 to SR 46 has a date of Jan 12, 2016 for addition to the state highway system. [2.798 miles]

SR 39 from Joe McIntosh Road to the SR 39 Turnout (MP 3.364), and from north of the turnout (MP 3.493) up to Knights-Griffin Road has all been deleted per realignment.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on January 24, 2016, 05:51:56 PM
Quote from realjd:
QuoteEdit: isn't there a website with historic Florida highway maps? I seem to remember there being one but I can't find it now.

Hell yeah there is:
http://www.dot.state.fl.us/surveyingandmapping/FloridaTransportationMapArchive.shtm (http://www.dot.state.fl.us/surveyingandmapping/FloridaTransportationMapArchive.shtm)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 25, 2016, 04:36:24 PM
Quote from: florida on January 24, 2016, 03:13:01 PM
For some reason, SR 312 was extended east from SR A1A to CR A1A in St. Augustine. [0.233 miles]

It previously terminated at the SR A1A/CR A1A intersection. So, from what it sounds like, SR 312 now continues along A1A Beach Blvd and maintenance ends at the intersection with Old A1A South.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on January 25, 2016, 07:27:49 PM
Quote from: emory on January 25, 2016, 04:36:24 PM
Quote from: florida on January 24, 2016, 03:13:01 PM
For some reason, SR 312 was extended east from SR A1A to CR A1A in St. Augustine. [0.233 miles]

It previously terminated at the SR A1A/CR A1A intersection. So, from what it sounds like, SR 312 now continues along A1A Beach Blvd and maintenance ends at the intersection with Old A1A South.
That sounds right
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 26, 2016, 07:52:47 PM
Quote from: florida on January 24, 2016, 03:13:01 PM
SR 429 from CR 435 to SR 46 has a date of Jan 12, 2016 for addition to the state highway system. [2.798 miles]

SR 429 is the Western Expressway. It currently terminates near CR 437. Is this a proposed alignment? I can't think of a road that FDOT would adopt that connects those two.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 26, 2016, 08:09:53 PM
Quote from: emory on January 26, 2016, 07:52:47 PM
Quote from: florida on January 24, 2016, 03:13:01 PM
SR 429 from CR 435 to SR 46 has a date of Jan 12, 2016 for addition to the state highway system. [2.798 miles]

SR 429 is the Western Expressway. It currently terminates near CR 437. Is this a proposed alignment? I can't think of a road that FDOT would adopt that connects those two.
http://wekivaparkway.com/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 26, 2016, 08:27:31 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 26, 2016, 08:09:53 PM
Quote from: emory on January 26, 2016, 07:52:47 PM
Quote from: florida on January 24, 2016, 03:13:01 PM
SR 429 from CR 435 to SR 46 has a date of Jan 12, 2016 for addition to the state highway system. [2.798 miles]

SR 429 is the Western Expressway. It currently terminates near CR 437. Is this a proposed alignment? I can't think of a road that FDOT would adopt that connects those two.
http://wekivaparkway.com/

Ah. Thanks. I was just in that area a couple weeks ago. I would've checked out the unopened segment if I knew it existed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 27, 2016, 09:57:15 AM
Remember those other shots of the doubled-left-turn signals at SR 50, Barclay Avenue and Brookridge? Well, here they are.

Eastbound:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fijw9ZqL.jpg&hash=06e4d9ca3fddc390d2d146474d78c6b3f5821772)

Westbound:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FyCqcXHM.jpg&hash=58717d2a373189e382b38e258f16eb09fa6f26cb)
Again, normally, just one will do.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mrsman on January 28, 2016, 06:25:53 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 27, 2016, 09:57:15 AM
Remember those other shots of the doubled-left-turn signals at SR 50, Barclay Avenue and Brookridge? Well, here they are.


Again, normally, just one will do.

I'm of the school of thought that it's nice to have a little redundancy.  If one of the light bulbs goes out, you have the other one.  So I would like to see at least two of every signal face at each intesection.

Of course, it's easy to go overboard - but I don't think it applies in this situation.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on January 28, 2016, 09:10:12 PM
Could it be due to the signal head distance from stop bar rule?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 29, 2016, 07:54:24 AM
On another note, the Airport Toll Plaza on SR 528 is closing for good this Sunday Night.  Tolls from both will be collected at the Beeline West and it will go from $1.00 to $2.25 as that plaza was $1.25. 

The ramps at W Bound Exits 8 and 9 will have $1.25 ramp tolls to compensate for the short travels, and if you have SUNPASS or EPASS you will have some sort of reprieve as E Bound Exit 8 and the on ramp from McCoy Road at Boggy Creek Road to FL 528 W Bound will subtract $1.25 from you trip via overhead gantries installed on those ramps.

I know this is going to piss off a lot of motorists and I will have to hear it come Monday Morning.  However most people were complaining anyway about how close those two plazas were together as being less than five miles away from each other.   Most were asking if Florida does that everywhere where you pay a toll and then pull out to pay another.  In retrospect  I plan to kindly tell them that when they come through the plaza I work at that the increase is to eliminate another nearby plaza to make it one stop shopping instead of the two stops previous.  I am sure that will still not go well, but it is what it is.

So be prepared if you use FL 528 now.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 29, 2016, 09:36:09 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 29, 2016, 07:54:24 AM
On another note, the Airport Toll Plaza on SR 528 is closing for good this Sunday Night.  Tolls from both will be collected at the Beeline West and it will go from $1.00 to $2.25 as that plaza was $1.25. 

The ramps at W Bound Exits 8 and 9 will have $1.25 ramp tolls to compensate for the short travels, and if you have SUNPASS or EPASS you will have some sort of reprieve as E Bound Exit 8 and the on ramp from McCoy Road at Boggy Creek Road to FL 528 W Bound will subtract $1.25 from you trip via overhead gantries installed on those ramps.

I know this is going to piss off a lot of motorists and I will have to hear it come Monday Morning.  However most people were complaining anyway about how close those two plazas were together as being less than five miles away from each other.   Most were asking if Florida does that everywhere where you pay a toll and then pull out to pay another.  In retrospect  I plan to kindly tell them that when they come through the plaza I work at that the increase is to eliminate another nearby plaza to make it one stop shopping instead of the two stops previous.  I am sure that will still not go well, but it is what it is.

So be prepared if you use FL 528 now.

About time IMO. That airport plaza is the last one without open road tolling lanes and is therefore the only one that causes traffic jams. It can get bad, especially with all of the tourists who hit this plaza right after leaving the airport. Cost-wise the tolls aren't increasing for those driving the whole road and this will remove a significant bottleneck.

I'm glad to see them using SunPass to issue toll refunds for those taking certain exits. It's good that they're making an effort to keep it a consistent cost per mile.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on January 29, 2016, 10:59:16 PM
Quote from: realjd on January 29, 2016, 09:36:09 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 29, 2016, 07:54:24 AM
On another note, the Airport Toll Plaza on SR 528 is closing for good this Sunday Night.  Tolls from both will be collected at the Beeline West and it will go from $1.00 to $2.25 as that plaza was $1.25. 

The ramps at W Bound Exits 8 and 9 will have $1.25 ramp tolls to compensate for the short travels, and if you have SUNPASS or EPASS you will have some sort of reprieve as E Bound Exit 8 and the on ramp from McCoy Road at Boggy Creek Road to FL 528 W Bound will subtract $1.25 from you trip via overhead gantries installed on those ramps.

I know this is going to piss off a lot of motorists and I will have to hear it come Monday Morning.  However most people were complaining anyway about how close those two plazas were together as being less than five miles away from each other.   Most were asking if Florida does that everywhere where you pay a toll and then pull out to pay another.  In retrospect  I plan to kindly tell them that when they come through the plaza I work at that the increase is to eliminate another nearby plaza to make it one stop shopping instead of the two stops previous.  I am sure that will still not go well, but it is what it is.

So be prepared if you use FL 528 now.

About time IMO. That airport plaza is the last one without open road tolling lanes and is therefore the only one that causes traffic jams. It can get bad, especially with all of the tourists who hit this plaza right after leaving the airport. Cost-wise the tolls aren't increasing for those driving the whole road and this will remove a significant bottleneck.

I'm glad to see them using SunPass to issue toll refunds for those taking certain exits. It's good that they're making an effort to keep it a consistent cost per mile.

And if nothing else it will end that horrrific weaving before and especially after leaving the booth eastbound, "Oh, THIS is the Airport exit (cuts over two lanes slowly)"...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on January 30, 2016, 08:08:13 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2Ffl%2520us%252092_zpsmfl3cie9.png&hash=4ce3eceb0cb8be4b72d746238a51d6fd6a8c2dd8) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/fl%20us%2092_zpsmfl3cie9.png.html)

Interesting that they used Tampa instead of Orlando. Probably cause Orlando was much smaller and less significant back then.

It would be fun to use this photo to test people's intelligence, to see if they can figure out where this picture was taken. I know a lot of adults would fail lol.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: UCFKnights on January 30, 2016, 10:46:41 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 11, 2016, 12:34:00 AM
Quote from: UCFKnights on January 09, 2016, 04:01:14 PM
What part of that sign is homemade?
Obviously the misspelled, stenciled "By FDOT" sign mounted over it.

BTW, I'm still working on naming the SR 50 and Barclay signals.

I've seen lots of those barricades labelled in that manner. I thought that was just to identify ownership and department?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on January 31, 2016, 10:53:32 AM
Quote from UFC Knights:
QuoteI've seen lots of those barricades labelled in that manner. I thought that was just to identify ownership and department?

It is to identify ownership. I'm thinking the "BV" is to identify the FDOT office that it belongs to.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on January 31, 2016, 04:34:09 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on January 30, 2016, 08:08:13 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2Ffl%2520us%252092_zpsmfl3cie9.png&hash=4ce3eceb0cb8be4b72d746238a51d6fd6a8c2dd8) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/fl%20us%2092_zpsmfl3cie9.png.html)

Interesting that they used Tampa instead of Orlando. Probably cause Orlando was much smaller and less significant back then.

It would be fun to use this photo to test people's intelligence, to see if they can figure out where this picture was taken. I know a lot of adults would fail lol.

I'm going to say southbound Beach Street at Bellevue.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on February 05, 2016, 05:13:13 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on January 30, 2016, 08:08:13 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2Ffl%2520us%252092_zpsmfl3cie9.png&hash=4ce3eceb0cb8be4b72d746238a51d6fd6a8c2dd8) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/fl%20us%2092_zpsmfl3cie9.png.html)

Interesting that they used Tampa instead of Orlando. Probably cause Orlando was much smaller and less significant back then.

It would be fun to use this photo to test people's intelligence, to see if they can figure out where this picture was taken. I know a lot of adults would fail lol.
Orlando was about the same stature of Ocala or Daytona Beach.. 2 WESH the NBC affiliate was licenced to Daytona Beach
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on February 05, 2016, 05:15:35 PM
Quote from: florida on January 31, 2016, 04:34:09 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on January 30, 2016, 08:08:13 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2Ffl%2520us%252092_zpsmfl3cie9.png&hash=4ce3eceb0cb8be4b72d746238a51d6fd6a8c2dd8) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/fl%20us%2092_zpsmfl3cie9.png.html)

Interesting that they used Tampa instead of Orlando. Probably cause Orlando was much smaller and less significant back then.

It would be fun to use this photo to test people's intelligence, to see if they can figure out where this picture was taken. I know a lot of adults would fail lol.

I'm going to say southbound Beach Street at Bellevue.
I would think Ridgewood Ave at Volusia Ave( Volusia is now international speedway Blvd)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: theFXexpert on February 05, 2016, 10:39:24 PM
New welcome signs to be put up at state lines on interstates (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2016-02-03/story/florida-welcomes-you-signs-going-state-borders-greet-motorists)
QuoteThe new signs on southbound I-95 and I-75 [and eastbound I-10], as well as scaled-down versions of them for photo opportunities at the welcome centers, are part of the project. They also include new "Thank You for Visiting Florida"  signs for northbound traffic leaving the state. The project features new sidewalks, fencing and lighting at the welcome centers, all scheduled for completion in the fall.

Tampa Bay Times: Suncoast Parkway set to expand even as it fails to meet projections (http://www.tampabay.com/news/growth/getting-it-wrong-suncoast-parkway-set-to-expand-even-as-it-fails-to-meet/)
QuoteBefore the Suncoast Parkway opened, a consultant predicted that it would be so full of cars its toll booths would rake in $150 million a year by 2014.

That forecast wasn't close. Nor were the next two. The consultant eventually settled on a forecast of $38 million a year.

But when 2014 rolled around, the road was so empty it collected a mere $22 million.

Yet the Florida Department of Transportation now wants to spend $256.7 million to extend the Suncoast another 13 miles north through Citrus County. And the projections the DOT is relying on to justify what has been dubbed Suncoast 2 are from the same consultant that got the first phase so wrong.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on February 12, 2016, 05:57:57 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4288194,-81.3056089,3a,75y,326.23h,90.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szG6BBjI2Z9_pnoU4k5Ooww!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I just noticed that the current defunct Airport Plaza on FL 528 is not the original toll plaza.  The original plaza opened in 1982, looked exactly like the parking plazas inside the airport as seen above.

The former one now that is being removed looks like this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4515572,-81.3195622,3a,75y,270.46h,73.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQUA0p21IE-KQBRsGVHl4Iw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I assume that sometime later that plaza was expanded to accommodate more lanes, as I think  I vaguely remember the E PASS conversion did cause most plazas on the former OOCEA to rebuild back in the mid to  late 90's.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: theFXexpert on February 17, 2016, 10:18:43 AM
A bill in the Florida legislature aims to ban local governments from installing red light cameras. (http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/bill-to-bar-red-light-cameras-moves-to-full-house/2265607)
QuoteA bill to bar cities and counties from installing cameras at intersections to catch red light runners, narrowly passed its final committee stop in the Florida House and is now heading to the full House.
QuoteA similar bill in the Florida Senate sponsored by Sen. Jeff Brandes, R-St. Petersburg, still has two committees to clear before it can get to a Senate floor vote. In order for the red light camera ban to become law, identical bills must pass both the House and Senate and be allowed by Gov. Rick Scott.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on February 22, 2016, 07:58:20 PM
Plans for elevated lanes over Gandy Boulevard (U.S. 92) move forward (http://www.tbo.com/news/transportation/plans-for-elevated-lanes-over-gandy-boulevard-move-forward-20160222/)

QuoteA project 25 years in the making moved closer to reality Monday when the Tampa-Hillsborough Expressway Authority unanimously voted to spend about $2.6 million to design an elevated highway over Gandy Boulevard.

The project, which will cost between $165 million and $190 million, will be built in the median of Gandy Boulevard and will extend the Selmon Expressway 1.6 miles from Dale Mabry Highway to the Gandy Bridge.

Although it has generated opposition in the neighborhood over the years, no one spoke against it at the authority meeting Monday. Three people addressed the authority in support of the crosstown extension, saying it will help alleviate traffic from drivers crossing the Gandy Bridge.

QuoteReached after the meeting, Alan Steenson, president of the Gandy Civic Association, said he was unaware that the vote was scheduled. Steenson said area residents still oppose the proposal, which he said won't do much to alleviate traffic in the area and will only be used by drivers during rush hour.

QuoteExpressway Authority spokeswoman Susan Chrzan said the plan is to break ground by the end of 2017 and have the project completed by 2020.

Hopefully the design will not be complete only to be shelved again.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on February 23, 2016, 08:23:40 AM
Wow no complaints about neighborhood dividing as elevated (and even below grade) freeways have known to have done that in the past.  This should be interesting to see when it breaks.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: RG407 on February 29, 2016, 12:21:03 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 12, 2016, 05:57:57 PM
I just noticed that the current defunct Airport Plaza on FL 528 is not the original toll plaza.  The original plaza opened in 1982, looked exactly like the parking plazas inside the airport as seen above.

I assume that sometime later that plaza was expanded to accommodate more lanes, as I think  I vaguely remember the E PASS conversion did cause most plazas on the former OOCEA to rebuild back in the mid to  late 90's.

I think it might actually be the original plaza.  It was modified after the start of the E-Pass era (I can't remember when exactly) to resemble OOCEA's other mainline plazas.  I don't remember if they added lanes, but it seems likely it would have been expanded at some point.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: theFXexpert on March 07, 2016, 10:47:29 PM
Some notes/observations from my recent trip to Bradenton last weekend:

A new interchange is being constructed on I-95 at the Matanzas Woods Parkway in Flagler County. Ramp embankments are constructed but appear to be unpaved. (It was dark when I passed by both times). Some conventional light poles were installed. Overhead sign gantry parts were on the side of the road awaiting assembly.

Near the US 92 interchange with I-95, the Bellevue Ave overpass was demolished and replaced as part of the I-95 improvements there.

A new flyover for I-4 eastbound to I-95 northbound traffic is being constructed and will replace the existing one.

Some land was cleared on I-75 between the Turnpike and CR 470 for drainage ponds and potential widening.

I-75's northbound overpass over CR 470 has been demolished while a replacement is being constructed. All traffic is using the southbound span.

I-75's new southbound span over SR 48 is complete. The northbound span has been demolished and is being replaced.

I-75 six-laning is complete from north of SR 52 to the Hernando/Pasco County line. Some nice looking overhead signage was installed at the CR 41 interchange along with a combination of high-mast lighting and conventional light poles.

Just north of the SR 52 interchange, a new overpass to carry I-75 is being constructed. An overhead sign gantry was also installed north of the interchange.

Concrete poles for wire span signals were installed on US 41 at the northbound exit/entrance ramps for I-275 in Manatee County.

The last wire span signal on SR 64 in West Bradenton was axed (The one at Village Green Pkwy). It has been replaced with mast arms using a flashing yellow arrow configuration in both directions. The signals are operational but, the flashing yellow arrow itself is not active yet and is covered with tarp (The other arrows on the signal are operating).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 10, 2016, 12:50:36 PM
Another article about the shift away from Clearview, but from the Florida stand point:

Road signs will keep aging letter style (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/traffic/os-highway-sign-font-change-20160222-story.html)

QuoteIn Florida, the road department most taken with Clearview has been Central Florida Expressway Authority, according to the highway guide AARoads.

Just as the Federal Highway Administration is about ban Clearview, Florida's Department of Transportation opted at the last minute not to order hundreds of signs designed with the newer font as part the massive I-4 overhaul.

But DOT did use Clearview signs along a short section of recently opened Wekiva Parkway.

A Central Florida Expressway Authority spokesman said his agency will press ahead with Clearview signs already in the pipeline for current construction on S.R. 408 and Wekiva Parkway.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on March 10, 2016, 06:06:16 PM
The Lord (or the FHWA) is merciful and just.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on March 10, 2016, 07:29:51 PM
Can't believe this site got a mention there in that article!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 14, 2016, 08:23:21 PM
What is up with FL 39 in Plant City?  North of I-4 they built a new bypass (the Alexander Street Extension) which has FL 39 shields on it.  The north end of the bypass ends at its old alignment with a continuous transition while the old FL 39 is signed Hillsbourough County 39 where you have to now make a left turn southbound and a right turn from a stop street to continue northbound.
It is even signed along Alexander Street from I-4 with the old road as CR 39 as well.

Yet along US 92 FL 39 is signed junctioning at its old alignment still showing the short concurrency with the US route, with no mention of it along Alexander Street at all!  Then on the south side of town riding northbound on Redman Parkway where FL 39 always was aligned there is no signs telling you to turn left on Alexander Street.  Its like FL 39 was never realigned and still uses the Redman/ Collins/ Baker & Reynolds couplet/ Wheeler/ Buchman alignments through the heart of the city.

Will the real FL 39 please stand up!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on March 14, 2016, 09:02:05 PM
Perhaps an email to FDOT District 7 is in order? If I remember tomorrow, I'll send them one (I have a contact or two there) regarding the status of SR 39.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 16, 2016, 10:32:30 PM
Good news on the other side of the Peninsula!  The east end of I-4 is finally getting exit numbers for I-95!

Instead of the ramp for FL 400 having the exit number for that particular interchange like it always did, now I-95 will have A & B suffixes while the ramp to FL 400 will have an I-4 END assembly atop it with no number.

The I-4 carriageways from FL 44 at DeLand to its terminus with I-95 at Daytona is completely regraded with concrete instead of asphalt and should be completely done by the end of this year according to the blue project signs.

In addition a new flyover from I-4 E Bound to I-95 N Bound is being built as well as a brand new interchange between I-95 and US 92.  Currently two new bridges are being constructed over US 92 in the median of I-95 for the roadbeds to be shifted in a more straight alignment instead of the two current ones splitting apart there to allow for the W Bound US 92 to S Bound I-95 to merge from the left side of I-95 S Bound.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 23, 2016, 11:19:34 PM
Quote from: theFXexpert on March 07, 2016, 10:47:29 PM
I-75's northbound overpass over CR 470 has been demolished while a replacement is being constructed. All traffic is using the southbound span.
I saw that after I went to a car and bike show in Webster. On the way back I thought I'd take a drive through Sumterville and Lake Panasoffkee.

I saw the design FDOT had, and I'm kind of disappointed with it. I was hoping they were going to keep the turning ramps at the end of the northbound ramp at CR 475. then divide CR 475 between the northbound off-ramp and CR 470. Maybe they'll at least combine Sumterville and Lake Panasoffkee into the same BGS's, but I can only cross my fingers in this case.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 23, 2016, 11:25:38 PM
Something I noticed about Florida. I was looking at some Historic Aerials Online of random Hernando County locations, and I saw that in Rital (now part of Ridge Manor), the former Atlantic Coast Line Railroad line that is today the Withlacoochee State Trail used to go UNDER US 98/SR 50, not over it. I would love to see an image of that. 

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 23, 2016, 11:39:20 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on April 23, 2016, 11:25:38 PM
Something I noticed about Florida. I was looking at some Historic Aerials Online of random Hernando County locations, and I saw that in Rital (now part of Ridge Manor), the former Atlantic Coast Line Railroad line that is today the Withlacoochee State Trail used to go UNDER US 98/SR 50, not over it. I would love to see an image of that.

The Pasco County Historical Society has a website and might have what you are looking for since that line ran south to Trilby and Dade City.  FL 50 is a weird one east of Rital, I'm fairly certain that it followed Ridge Manor Blvd through to Ridge Manor itself all the way back to Cortez at the Phosphate Mine just east of the Circle K with US 98 cutting south along Olancha Road to Dade City.  I'm also fairly certain the grade just north of the current FL 50/US 98 bridge over the Withlacoochee River is part of a much older bridge.  Things get even nuttier out in the Green Swamp around Richloam and what was Riverland.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 26, 2016, 10:23:26 AM
Poinciana Parkway will open on Saturday April 30. There's a 5K run in the morning and a dedication ceremony.
If I don't have any plans with Andy on Saturday I'd be up for meeting up with anyone there or in Orange County to check it out.

Also I noted on the 5K run page a Toll FL 538 shield graphic.
https://runsignup.com/Race/FL/Kissimmee/SolivitaPresentsthePoincianaParkway5k

The road will be toll free until June 1st and cost $1.75 at that time.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: TravelingBethelite on April 28, 2016, 08:56:41 PM
Is this an agricultural inspection station? I have reason to believe so. Apologies if I sound a little clueless...  :poke:

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.5688984,-87.3974087,3a,37.5y,166.42h,87.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szGYIB0cg4Rt93izRvV_1BA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.5688984,-87.3974087,3a,37.5y,166.42h,87.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szGYIB0cg4Rt93izRvV_1BA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on April 28, 2016, 10:27:41 PM
Quote from: TravelingBethelite on April 28, 2016, 08:56:41 PM
Is this an agricultural inspection station? I have reason to believe so. Apologies if I sound a little clueless...  :poke:

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.5688984,-87.3974087,3a,37.5y,166.42h,87.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szGYIB0cg4Rt93izRvV_1BA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.5688984,-87.3974087,3a,37.5y,166.42h,87.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szGYIB0cg4Rt93izRvV_1BA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

Going down the road a'piece...yes (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.5726305,-87.4094224,3a,15.1y,112.05h,87.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfXZT6YK0Cv7jnUsuNiPObQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).

...some of the Florida weigh station stops have unique orange-on-white signs, but I can't seem to find one in my collection right now.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on April 28, 2016, 10:28:02 PM
Quote from: TravelingBethelite on April 28, 2016, 08:56:41 PM
Is this an agricultural inspection station? I have reason to believe so. Apologies if I sound a little clueless...  :poke:

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.5688984,-87.3974087,3a,37.5y,166.42h,87.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szGYIB0cg4Rt93izRvV_1BA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.5688984,-87.3974087,3a,37.5y,166.42h,87.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szGYIB0cg4Rt93izRvV_1BA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
It looks like one.. That is on i10 where was it
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: TravelingBethelite on April 29, 2016, 07:45:42 AM
Quote from: formulanone on April 28, 2016, 10:27:41 PM
Quote from: TravelingBethelite on April 28, 2016, 08:56:41 PM
Is this an agricultural inspection station? I have reason to believe so. Apologies if I sound a little clueless...  :poke:

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.5688984,-87.3974087,3a,37.5y,166.42h,87.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szGYIB0cg4Rt93izRvV_1BA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.5688984,-87.3974087,3a,37.5y,166.42h,87.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szGYIB0cg4Rt93izRvV_1BA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

Going down the road a'piece...yes (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.5726305,-87.4094224,3a,15.1y,112.05h,87.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfXZT6YK0Cv7jnUsuNiPObQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).

...some of the Florida weigh station stops have unique orange-on-white signs, but I can't seem to find one in my collection right now.

So what was it linked to? Trooper barracks? Jwolfer, it's about 4,100 feet east of the border of Alabama on I-10 east.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on April 29, 2016, 05:17:49 PM
Yes, it is an agriculture station just beyond the Perdido River and Alabama border. A weigh station lies beyond that with the Florida Welcome Center beyond that. You can read a few more particulars on the Interstate 10 (https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=i0010eafl) page at AARoads!

Hope this helps in answering your question!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: RG407 on May 01, 2016, 10:29:21 PM
Quote from: Alex on April 26, 2016, 10:23:26 AM
Poinciana Parkway will open on Saturday April 30.

The road will be toll free until June 1st and cost $1.75 at that time.

I made the drive out to the new Poinciana Parkway yesterday (opening day).   The western/northern end is actually a surface street, Kinney Harmon Rd. that runs about a mile from US 17-92 to the Polk-Osceola County line.  At the county line is where Poinciana Parkway actually starts.  It is a super-two with a half-diamond interchange with Marigold Ave. at the current eastern/southern terminus.  There is room for a full diamond interchange, but I didn't see any signs of construction for the other two ramps.  All in all, a pretty unremarkable road.
Title: Florida 313
Post by: Alex on May 04, 2016, 07:25:50 PM
Randomly found out about a new State Road 313 (http://ftp://ftp.bocc.co.st-johns.fl.us/gis/media/MapMart/SR313.pdf) planned in St. Johns County from SR 312 north to SR 16.

FDOT has a page (http://www.nflroads.com/_layouts/FDOT%20D2%20Northeast%20Florida%20Road%20Construction/ProjectDetails.aspx?pid=41&sid=All) on it, showing a detailed look at the at-grade beltway (http://www.nflroads.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/313_material.pdf).

Another reference for it from 2012 here (http://www.stjohnscountychamber.com/index.php?src=gendocs&ref=2012-2013%20State%20Advocacy%20Agenda%20&category=Advocacy):

QuoteSupport State funding for St. Johns County-based transportation and infrastructure projects, specifically including 9B and associated intersection improvements, SR 313 (including consideration of a northern extension of SR 313) and development of the regional outer beltway.

The project was still unfunded as of last year (http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2015-10-27/sr-313-top-priority-city-county#.VyqENUe2JPZ).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on May 04, 2016, 09:42:56 PM
Quote from: RG407 on May 01, 2016, 10:29:21 PM
Quote from: Alex on April 26, 2016, 10:23:26 AM
Poinciana Parkway will open on Saturday April 30.

The road will be toll free until June 1st and cost $1.75 at that time.

I made the drive out to the new Poinciana Parkway yesterday (opening day).   The western/northern end is actually a surface street, Kinney Harmon Rd. that runs about a mile from US 17-92 to the Polk-Osceola County line.  At the county line is where Poinciana Parkway actually starts.  It is a super-two with a half-diamond interchange with Marigold Ave. at the current eastern/southern terminus.  There is room for a full diamond interchange, but I didn't see any signs of construction for the other two ramps.  All in all, a pretty unremarkable road.

I drove it on opening day as well (afternoon) and was at least surprised to see the half-diamond with Marigold Avenue. It looks like there will be an additional interchange with an extension of KOA Street and will partition at its end with Cypress Parkway (CR 580) for an eventual southern extension. I do have to agree that right now there's not much to it but if Osceola's MPO plan comes to fruition it will become a part of a much larger limited-access beltway around the Poinciana/Kissimmee/St. Cloud area.

I do think that the $1.75 toll is a bit much, and it might hinder traffic counts once its implemented. It was pretty funny to see people turn around on Marigold when they realized they were about to enter a toll road. Apparently they didn't know its free to ride for now.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on May 04, 2016, 10:10:00 PM
Quote from: Alex on May 04, 2016, 07:25:50 PM
Randomly found out about a new State Road 313 (http://ftp://ftp.bocc.co.st-johns.fl.us/gis/media/MapMart/SR313.pdf) planned in St. Johns County from SR 312 north to SR 16.

FDOT has a page (http://www.nflroads.com/_layouts/FDOT%20D2%20Northeast%20Florida%20Road%20Construction/ProjectDetails.aspx?pid=41&sid=All) on it, showing a detailed look at the at-grade beltway (http://www.nflroads.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/313_material.pdf).

Another reference for it from 2012 here (http://www.stjohnscountychamber.com/index.php?src=gendocs&ref=2012-2013%20State%20Advocacy%20Agenda%20&category=Advocacy):

QuoteSupport State funding for St. Johns County-based transportation and infrastructure projects, specifically including 9B and associated intersection improvements, SR 313 (including consideration of a northern extension of SR 313) and development of the regional outer beltway.

The project was still unfunded as of last year (http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2015-10-27/sr-313-top-priority-city-county#.VyqENUe2JPZ).
I think it should just continue the 312 designation... Sort of like SR 109/University Blvd in nearby Jacksonville which changes cardinal directions
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on May 06, 2016, 06:46:31 AM
U.S. Department of Transportation to investigate Tampa Bay Express project (http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2016/5/5/u_s_department_of_tr.html)

QuoteThe U.S. Department of Transportation in Washington, D.C. said Thursday it will begin a preliminary investigation into the Florida Department of Transportation's Tampa Bay Express project, following a civil rights complaint.

QuoteThe complaint claims the project targets minority neighborhoods in Seminole Heights, Tampa Heights and V.M. Ybor.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on May 06, 2016, 07:11:10 AM
The Tampa Bay Times (http://www.tampabay.com/news/federal-officials-to-start-preliminary-investigation-of-tbx/2276162) had a more informative article relating to the preliminary investigation into the civil rights complaint against the TBX.

QuoteAccording to emails between federal officials and critics of the highway plan, the U.S. Department of Transportation first received a complaint last month. Just last week, the Federal Highway Administration's office of civil rights agreed to start a preliminary investigation based on the complaint...

QuoteA member of Sunshine Citizens, a group that opposes TBX, Suarez alleges that the express lanes would benefit affluent commuters, tourists and businesses, but does great harm to minorities. His complaint says that officials are prioritizing the "needs and interests" of the West Shore business district, Tampa International Airport, the Tampa central business district and land developers at the expense of the general public.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 07, 2016, 10:09:41 AM
The I-4 and Kirkman Road interchange now is taking more shape as part of ultimate I-4.

The new bridges over WB I-4 for Kirkman have their girders up and piles now are in place for the new WB to SB ramp over NB Kirkman.  Plus the new Grand National Drive Overpass has the piles on the Universal side in place, with the median of Major Boulevard dug up between Kirkman and Caravan Court.  I assume that Caravan Court will be realigned and lanes added to Major Boulevard as part of that project.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on May 08, 2016, 11:08:25 PM
A piece of history is gone.. An old secondary SR became CR sign in Bradford County FL gone... Replaced with a Pentagon in the past 2 months... The sign had the C peeling revealing the S.. It was in Lawtey ( infamous speed trap on US 301) on CR225(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160509%2Fec6dbf7c75162fc567a397180cf6d63f.jpg&hash=7d670e4f2d7981d930ccc60ab97568a2a01d8002)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on May 09, 2016, 07:57:48 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7208%2F6794842952_45e7b0fffd_o.jpg&hash=fa83b77d648dd7dab28febe32f5d196790ea96ac) (http://flic.kr/p/bmrm5G)

The shield was from 1977 - making it one of the last handful of "Keys Shields" - but the tapered arrow was from 1969.

There were also two more pre-1978 designs in Lawtey, unless they're gone...

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7051%2F6794842988_5360bfd506_o.jpg&hash=856edc4582bc1a58b2328eeebe9cd1b329afb0cf) (http://flic.kr/p/bmrm6j)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7189%2F6794842966_93cf97e5bb_o.jpg&hash=b38b45dd1af7a31b9dee1f46b7c317ceb04ba11f) (http://flic.kr/p/bmrm5W)

We'll probably never see the likes of "five-digit" Florida shields again. If the leading "S-/C-" counts, that is. :)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on May 09, 2016, 11:00:09 PM
Clay County has a few keys shields on sideroads junctions with state roads.. I need to get some pics before they are replaced
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 13, 2016, 04:45:00 PM
A few Poinciana Parkway photos: http://www.facebook.com/neroute2/posts/1577714555892653
Westbound control city is Loughman; none is posted eastbound.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 14, 2016, 11:38:43 AM
Monday May 16, 2016 all ramps will be opened at the Florida Turnpike from FL 417.  Just saw it on a VMS heading north on FL 417 today!  Keep in mind this is not completed yet, as only FL 417 will have access to the Turnpike completely. Both N and S will be accessed from both directions of FL 417. 

Florida Turnpike still has only access to FL 417 NB from the Turnpike NB though.  So its far from being a complete interchange and have no idea if the other three missing movements will be constructed soon.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on May 15, 2016, 09:20:05 PM
Met up with roadman65 and drove the Poinciana Parkway (SR 538) again this afternoon. We also poked around a bit to see the progress of the construction a little further to the south.

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/poinciana_pkwy_01.jpg)
Eastbound beginning of the Poinciana Parkway just east of Sereno Drive.

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/poinciana_pkwy_02.jpg)
Koa Street will be extended westward from New Castle Road to meet Poinciana Parkway at a diamond interchange when the second phase opens later this year.

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/poinciana_pkwy_03.jpg)
Traveling west along Cypress Parkway where the southern end of the Poinciana Parkway will tie in.

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/poinciana_pkwy_04.jpg)
Current construction on the Poinciana Parkway between Koa Street and Cypress Parkway.

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/poinciana_pkwy_05.jpg)
Looking south toward the end of the construction. Poinciana Parkway will split onto its future ramps to and from Cypress Parkway leaving a gap in between for the future mainline whenever its extended.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 18, 2016, 03:47:58 PM
(https://www.google.com/maps/@30.1493777,-81.507838,3a,37.5y,24.74h,78.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stQMtLCblg7hOHYD1QALa0A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1)

I see "Savanah" is listed on FL 9B's mileage sign north of US 1.  I am assuming that when I-795 gets completed it will be signed with its NB ramp from I-95 as such?https://www.google.com/maps/@30.1493777,-81.507838,3a,37.5y,24.74h,78.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stQMtLCblg7hOHYD1QALa0A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.1493777,-81.507838,3a,37.5y,24.74h,78.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stQMtLCblg7hOHYD1QALa0A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1)
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I also assume that the third lane constructed that is not currently being used will be used when I-795 gets to use this piece of road?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 19, 2016, 08:30:41 AM
Here is a remaining colored route shield for US Highway 17 still standing on Ave. K SW in Winter Haven, FL.  Flaroads and I were out roadding the other day and he introduced me to this leftover, so we both got out and photographed it.  Here is mine:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7163/27110177115_e34c408b42_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: SPAdriver on May 20, 2016, 10:18:20 AM
Do you think the color shields will ever return?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on May 20, 2016, 11:15:26 AM
Quote from: SPAdriver on May 20, 2016, 10:18:20 AM
Do you think the color shields will ever return?

In some very rare cases, they'll copy it for a local installation, but the chances of that are minimal.

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/FL/FL19963011i1.jpg)

(Photo from shield gallery - Jake Bear.) (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19963011&search=301)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 18, 2016, 09:20:18 AM
I was out roadding with Alex and Fla Roads and we noticed a new addition to the state road system.  We saw signs for FL State Route 18 along FL 231 in some small rural community.

I even googled it to learn more about it, but even that did not produce any articles.  I am guessing that it must be so new that no one has yet reported its existence.  Even FL 231 south of Lake Butler is not even mentioned when you google it, so maybe that one is new as well.

Anyway, FDOT usually caps its mileage except for newly created alignments such as connectors or bypasses, but here what appears to be a new one (or ones).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on June 18, 2016, 03:21:01 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 18, 2016, 09:20:18 AM
I was out roadding with Alex and Fla Roads and we noticed a new addition to the state road system.  We saw signs for FL State Route 18 along FL 231 in some small rural community.

I even googled it to learn more about it, but even that did not produce any articles.  I am guessing that it must be so new that no one has yet reported its existence.  Even FL 231 south of Lake Butler is not even mentioned when you google it, so maybe that one is new as well.

Anyway, FDOT usually caps its mileage except for newly created alignments such as connectors or bypasses, but here what appears to be a new one (or ones).
Is it a contractor mistake perhaps? Or a copy of an old C-18 sign sans the c
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on June 18, 2016, 05:37:50 PM
I thought there was a small portion of FL 18 from Brooker to Worthington Springs that was never turned over to county maintenance; the much longer section from Keystone Heights to Brooker was downgraded. Maybe something new?

Or a forgotten relic like this:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fc6.staticflickr.com%2F8%2F7194%2F6940956093_3f1ab3a358_o.jpg&hash=291cf0668a1be636dc978b91b0e9da706c68b9ec) (http://flic.kr/p/bzmdqM)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on June 18, 2016, 08:26:20 PM
Quote from: formulanone on June 18, 2016, 05:37:50 PM
I thought there was a small portion of FL 18 from Brooker to Worthington Springs that was never turned over to county maintenance; the much longer section from Keystone Heights to Brooker was downgraded. Maybe something new?

Or a forgotten relic like this:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fc6.staticflickr.com%2F8%2F7194%2F6940956093_3f1ab3a358_o.jpg&hash=291cf0668a1be636dc978b91b0e9da706c68b9ec) (http://flic.kr/p/bzmdqM)
I am sure.. i always assumed it all went county.. nice old keys shield
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 19, 2016, 12:37:09 AM
Quote from: formulanone on June 18, 2016, 05:37:50 PM
I thought there was a small portion of FL 18 from Brooker to Worthington Springs that was never turned over to county maintenance
Indeed there is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_State_Road_18
SR 231 south of Lake Butler has existed for decades: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_State_Road_231
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on June 19, 2016, 06:18:08 AM
After a couple canceled resurfacing projects, it looks like FDOT and Pompano Beach are taking steps to transfer large portions of SR 811 (Dixie Highway) and SR 814 (Atlantic Blvd) off the state highway system and over to the city. http://pompanobeachfl.gov/assets/docs/db/commission_special/2015/4/items/3.pdf

This handy map is provided in the PDF file:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F3atvtsi.png&hash=fa78463e1a9d8179b724f9136b86b64a518e71b9)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on June 22, 2016, 08:19:31 PM
I don't want to put this on the "Road Trips" forum because it's so Florida-specific I figured I might get better advice here. Next month on our way south to visit relatives we're stopping to visit a friend who lives near the south end of Asbury Lake (Arthur Moore Drive) to have lunch at her place and then we're continuing south to Venice. The one thing I want to make sure I do en route is to knock off my last remaining segment of I-75 in Florida, the part between the northern junction with I-275 and the junction with I-4. That's easy enough. My wife also wants me to be sure we arrive in Venice in time for dinner, which should also be easy enough.

My question is, the most obvious route from Asbury Lake to I-75 is to drop down to Route 16, take that west to US-301, and then go down to Gainesville. Is this a good way to go? I know I read that Waldo is no longer independent and its infamous police department is dismantled, but I also note if we went west on Route 16 we'd come out near Starke, and I've read that's another notorious speedtrap. I don't speed nearly as much as I used to, but with a Virginia plate I'd still be wary of speedtrap towns. Would it make more sense to cut south on Route 21 instead, then use some other road to connect to I-75?

Thanks in advance. I have been to our friend's house before, but both times we've then gone north on the way home. This will be the first time we've stopped on the way south, and I have never used the roads between Jacksonville and Gainesville.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jim on June 22, 2016, 08:25:02 PM
Don't be afraid to stay on 301 right down to FL 326.  That's our usual cut between US 301 and I-75.  You do need to slow down for the speed trap towns, but there aren't that many and it won't slow you down much.  In general, I've found that cutting across near Gainesville will slow you down far more than any delays for the few towns on US 301 north of Ocala.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on June 22, 2016, 10:01:22 PM
I would say if you are traveling in the early afternoon, catching I-75 south at Gainesville shouldn't be too bad. One option if you went theAsbury Lake-Gainesville route would be to use the following roads:


From there you could follow SR 24 into Gainesville, but continue south on SR 331 (Williston Road) when SR 24 turns west at SR 20 & 26 (University Avenue). Then just use SR 331 south to connect with I-75.

Jim's routing works just as well too, just depends on how quick you want to get to the freeway and how much time you will have.

You probably know some of these routes having traveled in Florida before but thought I'd throw them out anyway.

Word of warning when you do come down I-75 in the Tampa area; if you are traveling on a Friday you might encounter some backups on the approach to I-4. Southbound backs up more on Friday afternoons (after 3pm) for travellers heading to I-4 east, and its typically snarled from Exit 266 (CR 582A/CR 579) through to I-4, sometimes beyond. I-75 has also gotten more problematic between Bradenton and Sarasota with the ongoing construction of the diverging diamond at University Parkway (Exit 213).

Hope this helps in making your decision!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on June 22, 2016, 10:38:07 PM
Thanks to both of you. It'll be a Sunday afternoon when we go through that area, assuming no problems. I guess I'll see what time it is and decide when to pick up the Interstate based on that. I'm not concerned about any clinches or the like except for the aforementioned I-75 and the very easy-to-get Route 9B near Jacksonville. (Yes, it's more direct to go west of the city and down Route 21 to Asbury Lake, but I don't like that route. Every time I've been that way, it felt like it took forever due to all the traffic lights. Instead, I plan to cut down to the bridge near Green Cove Springs.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on June 23, 2016, 04:42:10 AM
No problem. Since you're doing it on a Sunday afternoon, traveling should be fairly easy, even through the construction zones along I-75.

I totally agree with you on NOT wanting to drive SR 21 between I-295 and Middleburg! When I lived in Gainesville I would take weekend trips to Jacksonville, and would sporadically use SR 21 because of the traffic lights, especially between I-295 and the Lakeside area north of Middleburg.

And speaking of Middleburg, there should still be a Key shield around if you want to see one. Main Street in Middleburg should have one for SR 21.
Title: Arlington Expressway Removal
Post by: Alex on June 23, 2016, 04:30:48 PM
Found a study by the North Florida Transportation Planning Organization (http://northfloridatpo.com/images/uploads/docs/Arlington_Expressway_Study_Final_Report.pdf) for the replacement of the Arlington Expressway from Florida 109 (University Boulevard) east to the flyover ramps at Florida 113 (Southside Connector). Besides a No Build alternative, the main alternatives are a six-lane urban boulevard with a 44 foot median and a six-lane urban parkway with a 98 feet median and linear park. Both include 12 foot travel lanes, 7 foot bike lanes and 8 foot sidewalks. The alternatives would consolidate both the current freeway mainline and adjacent service roads.

The study cites stagnant traffic counts since the 1990s and indicates that the demand is more consistent with an urban principal arterial instead of a freeway. It also cites needs for accessibility improvements for pedestrians.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on June 25, 2016, 12:16:03 PM
Quote from: flaroads on June 23, 2016, 04:42:10 AM
....

And speaking of Middleburg, there should still be a Key shield around if you want to see one. Main Street in Middleburg should have one for SR 21.

Thanks for that tip. I'll keep it in mind, though I have a feeling we won't pass through there because of where our friend lives (her place is on the southern portion of the lake) and which way we're going (Venice). Middleburg is slightly to the northwest, so I'm guessing we'll drop back down to Route 16 and head west to one of the routes suggested above.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on June 25, 2016, 02:16:37 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 25, 2016, 12:16:03 PM
Quote from: flaroads on June 23, 2016, 04:42:10 AM
....

And speaking of Middleburg, there should still be a Key shield around if you want to see one. Main Street in Middleburg should have one for SR 21.

Thanks for that tip. I'll keep it in mind, though I have a feeling we won't pass through there because of where our friend lives (her place is on the southern portion of the lake) and which way we're going (Venice). Middleburg is slightly to the northwest, so I'm guessing we'll drop back down to Route 16 and head west to one of the routes suggested above.

No worries! Just thought I'd throw that out there since you would be in close proximity to it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on June 25, 2016, 03:28:36 PM
Quote from: flaroads on June 25, 2016, 02:16:37 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 25, 2016, 12:16:03 PM
Quote from: flaroads on June 23, 2016, 04:42:10 AM
....

And speaking of Middleburg, there should still be a Key shield around if you want to see one. Main Street in Middleburg should have one for SR 21.

Thanks for that tip. I'll keep it in mind, though I have a feeling we won't pass through there because of where our friend lives (her place is on the southern portion of the lake) and which way we're going (Venice). Middleburg is slightly to the northwest, so I'm guessing we'll drop back down to Route 16 and head west to one of the routes suggested above.

No worries! Just thought I'd throw that out there since you would be in close proximity to it.

Sure thing, and I appreciate it. Just have to see how our schedule is going that day because, obviously, we don't know how far we'll make it on the first day heading south to get to Florida in the first place. My goal is always to make it to the exit for JAX Airport and then stop for the night there, but we don't always get that far due to all sorts of reasons (main two would be either traffic or my going too far out of the way trying to find new roads). So if we don't get that far, it reduces the time for side trips the next day since we told our friend in Venice we'd get to her place in time for dinner.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on June 26, 2016, 12:53:41 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 22, 2016, 08:19:31 PM
I don't want to put this on the "Road Trips" forum because it's so Florida-specific I figured I might get better advice here. Next month on our way south to visit relatives we're stopping to visit a friend who lives near the south end of Asbury Lake (Arthur Moore Drive) to have lunch at her place and then we're continuing south to Venice. The one thing I want to make sure I do en route is to knock off my last remaining segment of I-75 in Florida, the part between the northern junction with I-275 and the junction with I-4. That's easy enough. My wife also wants me to be sure we arrive in Venice in time for dinner, which should also be easy enough.

My question is, the most obvious route from Asbury Lake to I-75 is to drop down to Route 16, take that west to US-301, and then go down to Gainesville. Is this a good way to go? I know I read that Waldo is no longer independent and its infamous police department is dismantled, but I also note if we went west on Route 16 we'd come out near Starke, and I've read that's another notorious speedtrap. I don't speed nearly as much as I used to, but with a Virginia plate I'd still be wary of speedtrap towns. Would it make more sense to cut south on Route 21 instead, then use some other road to connect to I-75?

Thanks in advance. I have been to our friend's house before, but both times we've then gone north on the way home. This will be the first time we've stopped on the way south, and I have never used the roads between Jacksonville and Gainesville.
My ex wife and I lived in that neighborhood. It's a couple blocks from the house. The CDP IS Asbury Lake but everyone calls it Lake Asbury.

As for getting to i75. CR 218 east(really south) to SR 16. Then to Starke via 16 or 230.  You could take 21 south to SR 26 at Melrose turn right and you are 4 miles from 301.  21 is 2 lanes with 60mph speed limit and the Clay County sheriff department has increased enforcement since a real bad head on collision last year. Keystone Heights can slow you down a bit and there are lots of lakes out there and many Jacksonville folks have lake houses out there so weekends can get busy, so you can't easily pass.

Overall I like 21->26->301.

I have run into traffic back ups on 326 at 75,  a couple trucks stops at the exit. But not that long
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on July 18, 2016, 08:14:57 AM
Thanks again for the tips. Made the drive yesterday and ultimately took 16 to Starke, then 301. We were listening to the Nats—Pirates marathon on the radio (it was not over by the time we reached Venice) and I didn't notice the turn for 326 until it was too late to turn, so I put on the sat-nav and it had us connect via US-27 in Ocala. Worked fine. Didn't see a single cop, though I think slowing down in Waldo was probably the right move because all the vehicles with Florida plates slowed down and got in the right lane (Floridians seem to have a pathological fear of the right lane, so when they moved right I said "this is serious here"!).

I-75 was miserable after the nice empty US route.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Fred Defender on July 18, 2016, 09:40:25 AM
Quote from: formulanone on June 18, 2016, 05:37:50 PM
I thought there was a small portion of FL 18 from Brooker to Worthington Springs that was never turned over to county maintenance; the much longer section from Keystone Heights to Brooker was downgraded. Maybe something new?

I live not far from Worthington Springs. Indeed, it is still FL 18 east from there to Brooker.

Speaking of Brooker. This sign used to hang just north of Brooker at the interection of S231 & S235. Key words: "used to".

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi48.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff221%2FSharpestJim%2F03861561-670e-4d4d-b287-23ac626ac883_zpsj0gxosvh.jpg&hash=f8fb6328c5b09e32a9fd49b1511b7e045616d3b1)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Fred Defender on July 18, 2016, 09:55:39 AM
Quote from: NE2 on June 19, 2016, 12:37:09 AM
Quote from: formulanone on June 18, 2016, 05:37:50 PM
I thought there was a small portion of FL 18 from Brooker to Worthington Springs that was never turned over to county maintenance
Indeed there is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_State_Road_18
SR 231 south of Lake Butler has existed for decades: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_State_Road_231

I've always wondered why SR231/CR231 was/is not known as 121A. It splits from SR121 a few miles north of US441 north of Gainesville, passes through Brooker and rural Alachua, Bradford, and Union Counties before intersecting 121 again in Lake Butler.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on July 18, 2016, 07:12:26 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 18, 2016, 08:14:57 AM
Thanks again for the tips. Made the drive yesterday and ultimately took 16 to Starke, then 301. We were listening to the Nats—Pirates marathon on the radio (it was not over by the time we reached Venice) and I didn't notice the turn for 326 until it was too late to turn, so I put on the sat-nav and it had us connect via US-27 in Ocala. Worked fine. Didn't see a single cop, though I think slowing down in Waldo was probably the right move because all the vehicles with Florida plates slowed down and got in the right lane (Floridians seem to have a pathological fear of the right lane, so when they moved right I said "this is serious here"!).

I-75 was miserable after the nice empty US route.
Waldo's police department was disbanded about 2 years ago.. the city uses Alachua County sheriff for police services. So speeding is no longer the cash cow
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on July 19, 2016, 07:56:55 AM
Yeah, I had heard that, but as an out-of-stater in my own car, I figure if the in-staters slow, it makes sense to follow their example, you know?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Fred Defender on July 19, 2016, 08:53:10 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on July 18, 2016, 07:12:26 PM
Waldo's police department was disbanded about 2 years ago.. the city uses Alachua County sheriff for police services. So speeding is no longer the cash cow

Although I live not too far from the 301 corridor, I seldom drive that way. I simply never speed through any municipality along that highway. City of Alachua is another one. I live about ten miles north of Alachua and I NEVER speed anywhere inside the city limits. APD loves to patrol US441 in the vicinity of I-75 where the speed limit is 45. They used to like to sit at the US441 offramp and catch motorists coming down the hill, especially at night. I haven't seen them there recently. But nowhere in town is safe from their radar.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2016, 10:15:08 AM
Quote from: Fred Defender on July 19, 2016, 08:53:10 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on July 18, 2016, 07:12:26 PM
Waldo's police department was disbanded about 2 years ago.. the city uses Alachua County sheriff for police services. So speeding is no longer the cash cow

Although I live not too far from the 301 corridor, I seldom drive that way. I simply never speed through any municipality along that highway. City of Alachua is another one. I live about ten miles north of Alachua and I NEVER speed anywhere inside the city limits. APD loves to patrol US441 in the vicinity of I-75 where the speed limit is 45. They used to like to sit at the US441 offramp and catch motorists coming down the hill, especially at night. I haven't seen them there recently. But nowhere in town is safe from their radar.

The problem is you have a lot of towns that annex parcels along US 301 just to grab some extra land to patrol for traffic ticket fines.  Unless you really have a good understanding of corporate limits it's probably best just to be careful closing in inhabited location.  What the town that the state actually had remove the part of 301 that they annexed?  I can't remember it for the life of me bust they got busted for running a speed trap and misusing the funds.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on July 19, 2016, 11:21:35 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2016, 10:15:08 AM
Quote from: Fred Defender on July 19, 2016, 08:53:10 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on July 18, 2016, 07:12:26 PM
Waldo's police department was disbanded about 2 years ago.. the city uses Alachua County sheriff for police services. So speeding is no longer the cash cow

Although I live not too far from the 301 corridor, I seldom drive that way. I simply never speed through any municipality along that highway. City of Alachua is another one. I live about ten miles north of Alachua and I NEVER speed anywhere inside the city limits. APD loves to patrol US441 in the vicinity of I-75 where the speed limit is 45. They used to like to sit at the US441 offramp and catch motorists coming down the hill, especially at night. I haven't seen them there recently. But nowhere in town is safe from their radar.

The problem is you have a lot of towns that annex parcels along US 301 just to grab some extra land to patrol for traffic ticket fines.  Unless you really have a good understanding of corporate limits it's probably best just to be careful closing in inhabited location.  What the town that the state actually had remove the part of 301 that they annexed?  I can't remember it for the life of me bust they got busted for running a speed trap and misusing the funds.
The town was Hampton.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2016, 11:23:33 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on July 19, 2016, 11:21:35 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2016, 10:15:08 AM
Quote from: Fred Defender on July 19, 2016, 08:53:10 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on July 18, 2016, 07:12:26 PM
Waldo's police department was disbanded about 2 years ago.. the city uses Alachua County sheriff for police services. So speeding is no longer the cash cow

Although I live not too far from the 301 corridor, I seldom drive that way. I simply never speed through any municipality along that highway. City of Alachua is another one. I live about ten miles north of Alachua and I NEVER speed anywhere inside the city limits. APD loves to patrol US441 in the vicinity of I-75 where the speed limit is 45. They used to like to sit at the US441 offramp and catch motorists coming down the hill, especially at night. I haven't seen them there recently. But nowhere in town is safe from their radar.

The problem is you have a lot of towns that annex parcels along US 301 just to grab some extra land to patrol for traffic ticket fines.  Unless you really have a good understanding of corporate limits it's probably best just to be careful closing in inhabited location.  What the town that the state actually had remove the part of 301 that they annexed?  I can't remember it for the life of me bust they got busted for running a speed trap and misusing the funds.
The town was Hampton.

Yes, thank you.  Anyways, I'm not sure if Google is up to date on the corporate limits of Hampton but this shows where they branched the town limits out to get a part of US 301:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Hampton,+FL+32044/@29.8642807,-82.1503619,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x88e6013baa6175d7:0x62db8f3fd3689569!8m2!3d29.8644091!4d-82.1309371!6m1!1e1?hl=en
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on July 24, 2016, 11:48:26 PM
In Orlando, 2016 GSV shows old E-W Expwy sign revealed on Orange Ave at split at Lake Lucerne:


https://www.google.com/maps/@28.5343661,-81.3768603,3a,20.2y,339.72h,88.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgLgucCrVM66qugUz6ORzuA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.5343661,-81.3768603,3a,20.2y,339.72h,88.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgLgucCrVM66qugUz6ORzuA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 25, 2016, 06:49:50 PM
I saw some videos of a guy that used to hold up speed trap signs in Lawtey and Hampton.  He said that in Hampton they would hide behind a trash bin in a parking lot.

He was arrested in Lawtey for holding up his signs.  I think I read that they ended up having to pay him out for the unlawful detention.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 25, 2016, 08:23:43 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 25, 2016, 06:49:50 PM
I saw some videos of a guy that used to hold up speed trap signs in Lawtey and Hampton.  He said that in Hampton they would hide behind a trash bin in a parking lot.

He was arrested in Lawtey for holding up his signs.  I think I read that they ended up having to pay him out for the unlawful detention.

Considering how much abuse was going in Hampton especially it wouldn't be the least bit surprising.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 27, 2016, 09:32:49 PM
So what is the back story with the SR 112 numbering so far out of grid?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on July 27, 2016, 10:17:05 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 27, 2016, 09:32:49 PM
So what is the back story with the SR 112 numbering so far out of grid?

I always thought it should have just been entirely I-195, with the exit numbers starting at the airport and continuing to Alton Road; it serves an important function for tourists, so having discontinuous posted numbers seems odd.

Or just given an on-grid number like "900", but now I'm getting Fictional.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on July 27, 2016, 11:58:49 PM
Sorry to bump such an old quote, but I just found this:
Quote from: roadman65 on November 10, 2013, 03:25:37 PM
QuoteAlso in our very own backyard there are a few places around Orlando that forget about tourists and fail to keep up on shield maintenance.  Rosalind Avenue since it took the identity of SR 527 NB from Magnolia is one of many I can point out.

I did not realize this. I just assumed Orange was two way until the current config was created.
When did it change?
I also assume this is the reason for the oddball way all traffic on Magnolia approaching Livingston must U-turn, right?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on July 28, 2016, 12:04:01 AM
Been that way since the mid 1990's.  I cannot remember when, but recently FDOT removed the SB FL 527 shields from SR 50 and US 17 & 92 (Colonial Drive) for Orange Avenue.  So I assume the route is now truncated to Gore Street (where FDOT maintenance ends and Orlando City maintenance begins).  Even north of Downtown SR 527 signs are scarce to none there so it makes me wonder if FL 527 ends in Winter Park at FL 426 where it always did end.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on July 28, 2016, 02:44:59 AM
quote from roadman65:
QuoteBeen that way since the mid 1990's.  I cannot remember when, but recently FDOT removed the SB FL 527 shields from SR 50 and US 17 & 92 (Colonial Drive) for Orange Avenue.  So I assume the route is now truncated to Gore Street (where FDOT maintenance ends and Orlando City maintenance begins).  Even north of Downtown SR 527 signs are scarce to none there so it makes me wonder if FL 527 ends in Winter Park at FL 426 where it always did end.

On US 17/92, the signs only show SOUTH 527, but not NORTH 527, and the one on WB SR 426 has been removed. To me this indicates that the section from US 17/92 to SR 426 has been removed from the state highway system. It has also been streetscaped, which is another clue.

GSV shows a NORTH 527 assembly on NB Magnolia at Orange, and one at the intersection of Orange/Garland

There is also a NORTH 527 overhead NB Magnolia before Orange.

I'm wondering if the downtown decommissioned section runs from Gore all the way up to the RR tracks.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 28, 2016, 08:10:21 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on July 28, 2016, 02:44:59 AM
quote from roadman65:
QuoteBeen that way since the mid 1990's.  I cannot remember when, but recently FDOT removed the SB FL 527 shields from SR 50 and US 17 & 92 (Colonial Drive) for Orange Avenue.  So I assume the route is now truncated to Gore Street (where FDOT maintenance ends and Orlando City maintenance begins).  Even north of Downtown SR 527 signs are scarce to none there so it makes me wonder if FL 527 ends in Winter Park at FL 426 where it always did end.

On US 17/92, the signs only show SOUTH 527, but not NORTH 527, and the one on WB SR 426 has been removed. To me this indicates that the section from US 17/92 to SR 426 has been removed from the state highway system. It has also been streetscaped, which is another clue.

GSV shows a NORTH 527 assembly on NB Magnolia at Orange, and one at the intersection of Orange/Garland

There is also a NORTH 527 overhead NB Magnolia before Orange.

I'm wondering if the downtown decommissioned section runs from Gore all the way up to the RR tracks.

Or it could just be infamously bad signage in the city of Orlando.  If memory serves correct FL 526 is pretty badly signed and off the top of my head I can only recall signs located at Crystal Lake/Robinson.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on July 28, 2016, 08:49:33 AM
The former FL 527 shield on Colonial has been whited out going EB across the RR tracks.  So its not poor signage, although it always was there even before.

FL 438 was the same east of US 441.  It is hardly signed from US 441 to US 17 & 92 as well.

I believe that Winter Park took over Orange between US 17 & 92 and Fairbanks so they could add features to the downtown area of WP.  So the state highway may end there.  I will guess now its in two segments.  Even in South Florida we have poor signage as well.  FL A1A ALT is signed FL 811 and US 98 is not mentioned where it junctions US 1 going NB.  US 98 terminates in Palm Beach at FL A1A so it does intersect US 1 along the way.  So its the cities where you have the issues with signage I am seeing.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 28, 2016, 10:58:12 AM
Did any of the county roads in Broward County ever get signed on the roads.  I recall that they were only ever signed off of I-95 and maybe I-75.

I recall in the late 80's that Griffin Road had CR 818 signs on I-95 once upon a time.  I think they were replaced with SR 818 signs at a later time.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on July 28, 2016, 11:58:50 AM
Quote from roadman 65:
QuoteFL 438 was the same east of US 441.  It is hardly signed from US 441 to US 17 & 92 as well.

On FL 438, There are state maint. begins/ends signs just west of Rio Grande Av, so it looks like the section from there over to US 17/92 was turned over to the city.

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.5718792,-81.4022093,3a,32.8y,303.56h,84.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4KomgVm2bGTRSeCSv1xsxA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.5718792,-81.4022093,3a,32.8y,303.56h,84.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4KomgVm2bGTRSeCSv1xsxA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)

Here's a snip of my Orlando Metro Map:
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Here's a pic of a 1992 Map Showing SR 527 on Magnolia not Rosalind:
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Notice the street grid difference at Maguire and Robinson
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on July 28, 2016, 04:12:19 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 28, 2016, 10:58:12 AM
Did any of the county roads in Broward County ever get signed on the roads.  I recall that they were only ever signed off of I-95 and maybe I-75.

I recall in the late 80's that Griffin Road had CR 818 signs on I-95 once upon a time.  I think they were replaced with SR 818 signs at a later time.

Nope. Broward County doesn't sign any of its county roads. If you ever see a pentagon shield for a Broward County road, it's always on an FDOT installation on one of their roads or intersections. There's a handful of them along US 441 and University Drive/FL 817.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on July 28, 2016, 06:46:50 PM
Quote from: emory on July 28, 2016, 04:12:19 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 28, 2016, 10:58:12 AM
Did any of the county roads in Broward County ever get signed on the roads.  I recall that they were only ever signed off of I-95 and maybe I-75.

I recall in the late 80's that Griffin Road had CR 818 signs on I-95 once upon a time.  I think they were replaced with SR 818 signs at a later time.

Nope. Broward County doesn't sign any of its county roads. If you ever see a pentagon shield for a Broward County road, it's always on an FDOT installation on one of their roads or intersections. There's a handful of them along US 441 and University Drive/FL 817.

Yeah, just trailblazer signage, and that's it. I can't recall county shields for re-assurance in Dade or Broward (just a handful of places in Palm Beach County). For most other Florida counties, it's common practice.

Now that I think of it, there was one CR 811 shield posted on the Dixie Highway flyover from Hillsboro into Palm Beach County.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 28, 2016, 07:29:41 PM
When did they unmask SR 5 in Palm Beach County off of Olive Ave?  Wasn't this road marked as US 1 and the other road as SR 805?  I am trying to remember. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on July 28, 2016, 07:51:30 PM
http://parkwaypatriots.weebly.com/uploads/2/1/4/0/2140400/sjhp_map_july_2015.pdf

A new road in Brevard County bringing the sprawl west of I-95 at Melbourne.  It will eventually have two interchanges with the interstate and both are in the PDE stage as we speak.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on July 28, 2016, 10:13:51 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 28, 2016, 07:51:30 PM
http://parkwaypatriots.weebly.com/uploads/2/1/4/0/2140400/sjhp_map_july_2015.pdf

A new road in Brevard County bringing the sprawl west of I-95 at Melbourne.  It will eventually have two interchanges with the interstate and both are in the PDE stage as we speak.

Looks like they're not going any further south than Malabar Road, and while this road is needed (it should take some of the pressure off of Minton) it should have been built as a 4 lane expressway/limited access road as proposed.
Also looks like all that undeveloped property in the southwest end of Palm Bay is going to stay that way for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on July 28, 2016, 11:15:13 PM
Quote from: emory on July 28, 2016, 04:12:19 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 28, 2016, 10:58:12 AM
Did any of the county roads in Broward County ever get signed on the roads.  I recall that they were only ever signed off of I-95 and maybe I-75.

I recall in the late 80's that Griffin Road had CR 818 signs on I-95 once upon a time.  I think they were replaced with SR 818 signs at a later time.

Nope. Broward County doesn't sign any of its county roads. If you ever see a pentagon shield for a Broward County road, it's always on an FDOT installation on one of their roads or intersections. There's a handful of them along US 441 and University Drive/FL 817.
Same in Duval County.. only pentagons are FDOT installs at junctions. Even CR 217 which has no other name..

I guess in urban counties the roads are known by names
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on July 29, 2016, 04:52:50 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 28, 2016, 07:29:41 PM
When did they unmask SR 5 in Palm Beach County off of Olive Ave?  Wasn't this road marked as US 1 and the other road as SR 805?  I am trying to remember.

Olive Ave is former US 1. When US 1 was re-routed onto Dixie Highway/SR 805, SR 5 was left on Olive Ave, but the portion in West Palm Beach was fully relinquished to city maintenance by 2011. SR 5 still exists on Federal Highway in Lake Worth.

Quote from: jwolfer on July 28, 2016, 11:15:13 PM
Quote from: emory on July 28, 2016, 04:12:19 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 28, 2016, 10:58:12 AM
Did any of the county roads in Broward County ever get signed on the roads.  I recall that they were only ever signed off of I-95 and maybe I-75.

I recall in the late 80's that Griffin Road had CR 818 signs on I-95 once upon a time.  I think they were replaced with SR 818 signs at a later time.

Nope. Broward County doesn't sign any of its county roads. If you ever see a pentagon shield for a Broward County road, it's always on an FDOT installation on one of their roads or intersections. There's a handful of them along US 441 and University Drive/FL 817.
Same in Duval County.. only pentagons are FDOT installs at junctions. Even CR 217 which has no other name..

I guess in urban counties the roads are known by names

Yeah in Broward the only roads referred to by their numbers are US 441 and the interstates. Even US 1 is referred to as Federal Highway.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on July 29, 2016, 05:08:45 AM
According to the latest Broward County keysheet, SR 814 and SR 811 just got a lot shorter.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FCevDr6z.png&hash=f66f4e4cad835a74be0348171bcdc06e79738d79)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on July 29, 2016, 06:26:35 AM
Quote from: emory on July 29, 2016, 04:52:50 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 28, 2016, 07:29:41 PM
When did they unmask SR 5 in Palm Beach County off of Olive Ave?  Wasn't this road marked as US 1 and the other road as SR 805?  I am trying to remember.

Olive Ave is former US 1. When US 1 was re-routed onto Dixie Highway/SR 805, SR 5 was left on Olive Ave, but the portion in West Palm Beach was fully relinquished to city maintenance by 2011. SR 5 still exists on Federal Highway in Lake Worth.

Quote from: jwolfer on July 28, 2016, 11:15:13 PM
Quote from: emory on July 28, 2016, 04:12:19 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 28, 2016, 10:58:12 AM
Did any of the county roads in Broward County ever get signed on the roads.  I recall that they were only ever signed off of I-95 and maybe I-75.

I recall in the late 80's that Griffin Road had CR 818 signs on I-95 once upon a time.  I think they were replaced with SR 818 signs at a later time.

Nope. Broward County doesn't sign any of its county roads. If you ever see a pentagon shield for a Broward County road, it's always on an FDOT installation on one of their roads or intersections. There's a handful of them along US 441 and University Drive/FL 817.
Same in Duval County.. only pentagons are FDOT installs at junctions. Even CR 217 which has no other name..

I guess in urban counties the roads are known by names

Yeah in Broward the only roads referred to by their numbers are US 441 and the interstates. Even US 1 is referred to as Federal Highway.
So SR 5 is discontinuous in FL?  If West Palm Beach has it on Olive Avenue then the route don't exist there either?  Considering that I saw no mention of SR 5 on US 98/SR 80 at Olive Avenue, I guess that route does not exist there.

However, FDOT seems to omit US 98 signage on US 1 N Bound, so then again it could be FDOT screwing up, as city maintained numbered routes still are on the state route system, just not maintained by the state.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 29, 2016, 07:16:14 PM
I wonder why they used SR 805 in lieu of SR 5A.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on July 29, 2016, 08:07:51 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 29, 2016, 06:26:35 AM
Quote from: emory on July 29, 2016, 04:52:50 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 28, 2016, 07:29:41 PM
When did they unmask SR 5 in Palm Beach County off of Olive Ave?  Wasn't this road marked as US 1 and the other road as SR 805?  I am trying to remember.

Olive Ave is former US 1. When US 1 was re-routed onto Dixie Highway/SR 805, SR 5 was left on Olive Ave, but the portion in West Palm Beach was fully relinquished to city maintenance by 2011. SR 5 still exists on Federal Highway in Lake Worth.

Quote from: jwolfer on July 28, 2016, 11:15:13 PM
Quote from: emory on July 28, 2016, 04:12:19 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 28, 2016, 10:58:12 AM
Did any of the county roads in Broward County ever get signed on the roads.  I recall that they were only ever signed off of I-95 and maybe I-75.

I recall in the late 80's that Griffin Road had CR 818 signs on I-95 once upon a time.  I think they were replaced with SR 818 signs at a later time.

Nope. Broward County doesn't sign any of its county roads. If you ever see a pentagon shield for a Broward County road, it's always on an FDOT installation on one of their roads or intersections. There's a handful of them along US 441 and University Drive/FL 817.
Same in Duval County.. only pentagons are FDOT installs at junctions. Even CR 217 which has no other name..

I guess in urban counties the roads are known by names

Yeah in Broward the only roads referred to by their numbers are US 441 and the interstates. Even US 1 is referred to as Federal Highway.
So SR 5 is discontinuous in FL?  If West Palm Beach has it on Olive Avenue then the route don't exist there either?  Considering that I saw no mention of SR 5 on US 98/SR 80 at Olive Avenue, I guess that route does not exist there.

However, FDOT seems to omit US 98 signage on US 1 N Bound, so then again it could be FDOT screwing up, as city maintained numbered routes still are on the state route system, just not maintained by the state.

Right. SR 5 stops at the West Palm Beach city limits on the canal, and then resumes at the intersection of US 1 and Belvedere Road, also the northern terminus of SR 805. I could believe FDOT just omitted some signs in the area. Palm Beach County has a handful of odd signage. The intersection you speak of has Southern Blvd signed as SR 80 from US 1 northbound. There are also roads intersecting US 441 that acknowledge it only as SR 7 on shields. I still remember driving US 441 northbound and seeing a SR 441 shield.

Numbered routes are not part of the state highway system once they are turned over to the city.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on July 30, 2016, 09:51:59 AM
Yet SR 15 remains on a useless overlap with SR 80 through Belle Glade.   Not only that but its cosigned with US 441 through Pahokee and Canal Point where no other place secret routes are signed.

In Canal Point where US 98 West turns left with US 441, there is no shield there as US 98 was recently realigned to follow US 441 through Pahokee instead of using what is now SR 700, which is why no shield there.   However it shows SR 700 going west with SR 15 and US 441.  A route that has a shield that is not signed at all until one reaches Brooksville over 100 and something miles away.

FDOT D4 is sure odd about priorities and consistency in signing.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on July 30, 2016, 12:22:12 PM
I think FL 15 has its original terminus at what is now CR 880, since 80 followed that from Palm Beach. There was no US 441 / 98 at the time, since 98 followed the Palm Beach Canal until 2008, and 441 wasn't extended until after the Great Renumbering.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on July 30, 2016, 12:32:45 PM
Quote from emory:
QuoteAccording to the latest Broward County keysheet, SR 814 and SR 811 just got a lot shorter.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FCevDr6z.png&hash=f66f4e4cad835a74be0348171bcdc06e79738d79)

Where do you find the keysheets? Can you provide a link? Thanks.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on July 30, 2016, 07:18:14 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on July 30, 2016, 12:32:45 PM
Quote from emory:
QuoteAccording to the latest Broward County keysheet, SR 814 and SR 811 just got a lot shorter.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FCevDr6z.png&hash=f66f4e4cad835a74be0348171bcdc06e79738d79)

Where do you find the keysheets? Can you provide a link? Thanks.

http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/Straight-linesOnlineGIS/

Pull up your county of choice. The keysheet is always top choice on the Roadway selection bar.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on July 30, 2016, 10:31:11 PM
Quote from: formulanone on July 30, 2016, 12:22:12 PM
I think FL 15 has its original terminus at what is now CR 880, since 80 followed that from Palm Beach. There was no US 441 / 98 at the time, since 98 followed the Palm Beach Canal until 2008, and 441 wasn't extended until after the Great Renumbering.
Makes sense, as also flaroads told me in a post on facebook.  CR 880 was indeed old 80 from twenty mile bend westward.  Yes, US 441 ended in Orlando, as Alex added a map on facebook showing that it never was on the southern half of OBT nor Dixie Highway like US 17 & 92 were.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 30, 2016, 11:11:31 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 30, 2016, 10:31:11 PM
Quote from: formulanone on July 30, 2016, 12:22:12 PM
I think FL 15 has its original terminus at what is now CR 880, since 80 followed that from Palm Beach. There was no US 441 / 98 at the time, since 98 followed the Palm Beach Canal until 2008, and 441 wasn't extended until after the Great Renumbering.
Makes sense, as also flaroads told me in a post on facebook.  CR 880 was indeed old 80 from twenty mile bend westward.  Yes, US 441 ended in Orlando, as Alex added a map on facebook showing that it never was on the southern half of OBT nor Dixie Highway like US 17 & 92 were.

If I recall correctly, didn't 441 end on Colonial?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on July 31, 2016, 09:00:11 PM
It did.  I am talking about South OBT which is south of Colonial. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 31, 2016, 09:17:14 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 31, 2016, 09:00:11 PM
It did.  I am talking about South OBT which is south of Colonial.

Right, you're talking US 17/92 on Orange Avenue/Dixie Highway prior to it being shifted to OBT.  I have some maps of it somewhere, I'll post it when I find the book part...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 31, 2016, 09:22:20 PM
This it the website, they have a crap ton of old Florida Road maps:

http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/maps/index.htm

And the 1936 map in question that shows US 17/92 on Dixie Highway in Osceola County:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffcit.usf.edu%2Fflorida%2Fmaps%2Fpages%2F2800%2Ff2873%2Ff2873.gif&hash=0a11b87314d9b7f8e44b046402cf106584d01ee4)

Looks like Pre-1945 State Route 2 had an alternate on what became modern OBT.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 09, 2016, 03:16:04 AM
I was recently on the Henry Flagler Bridge between West Palm Beach and Palm Beach and noticed that FDOT is almost complete with a new higher and wider bridge to carry FL A1A traffic across the Intracoastal Waterway.  However, the bridge is still a bascule draw bridge, most likely because to build approachways, especially on the Palm Beach side of the waterway, would ruin the glamour of Downtown Palm Beach.

The thing I find odd about this bridge is the fact that FDOT is not using the standard drawbridge steel grid roadway deck on this structure. Instead the bascule leaves are going to have typical concrete.  Correct me if I am wrong, is not the concrete more heavier for the bridge motors to lift then the hollow and much lighter steel grid?

I thought that would be an interesting question to ask, as it is more than strange that this new bridge is being constructed this way.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on August 09, 2016, 11:48:30 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 09, 2016, 03:16:04 AM
The thing I find odd about this bridge is the fact that FDOT is not using the standard drawbridge steel grid roadway deck on this structure. Instead the bascule leaves are going to have typical concrete.  Correct me if I am wrong, is not the concrete more heavier for the bridge motors to lift then the hollow and much lighter steel grid?
Maybe it's so bike tires don't slip on the grate.

Presumably there's a counterweight, making relatively little work for the motors.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on August 10, 2016, 12:06:22 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 09, 2016, 03:16:04 AM
I was recently on the Henry Flagler Bridge between West Palm Beach and Palm Beach and noticed that FDOT is almost complete with a new higher and wider bridge to carry FL A1A traffic across the Intracoastal Waterway.  However, the bridge is still a bascule draw bridge, most likely because to build approachways, especially on the Palm Beach side of the waterway, would ruin the glamour of Downtown Palm Beach.

The thing I find odd about this bridge is the fact that FDOT is not using the standard drawbridge steel grid roadway deck on this structure. Instead the bascule leaves are going to have typical concrete.  Correct me if I am wrong, is not the concrete more heavier for the bridge motors to lift then the hollow and much lighter steel grid?

I thought that would be an interesting question to ask, as it is more than strange that this new bridge is being constructed this way.
A few years ago the steel grid grating on the Mathews Bridge in Jacksonville was replaced with a concrete surface. The local paper had a story about some kind of newer technology that is not as heavy as standard concrete. I wish I could remember details

__-------_-------------

The Bridge of Lions in downtown St Augustine was rebuilt as a drawbridge because of not wanting to destroy historic sites with approaches. If memory serves me right it has the same concrete surface
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 12, 2016, 11:17:54 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 30, 2016, 10:31:11 PM
Quote from: formulanone on July 30, 2016, 12:22:12 PM
I think FL 15 has its original terminus at what is now CR 880, since 80 followed that from Palm Beach. There was no US 441 / 98 at the time, since 98 followed the Palm Beach Canal until 2008, and 441 wasn't extended until after the Great Renumbering.
Makes sense, as also flaroads told me in a post on facebook.  CR 880 was indeed old 80 from twenty mile bend westward.  Yes, US 441 ended in Orlando, as Alex added a map on facebook showing that it never was on the southern half of OBT nor Dixie Highway like US 17 & 92 were.

SR 15 does end at SR 880, not CR 880....880 is still state maintained from SR 15/80 to SR 717, east of Belle Glade. SR 717 joins 15/80 over the canal. I'm checking GSV now and am really surprised that FDOT actually signed the east end of SR 880!

Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 27, 2016, 09:32:49 PM
So what is the back story with the SR 112 numbering so far out of grid?

I have a theory that SR 112 is numbered so because it does go to the airport and can be remembered in the myriad of 9xx numbers. All other Miami-area expressways and toll routes are 8xx routes, except 924 and 970.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on August 13, 2016, 06:57:12 AM
Speaking of Palm Beach County, when did anyone begin acknowledging Glades Road west of US 441 as CR 808?

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FAzYY9PB.png&hash=7c26ca37b427906872aaa1af77718a90f843985b)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on August 13, 2016, 12:35:08 PM
Quote from: emory on August 13, 2016, 06:57:12 AM
Speaking of Palm Beach County, when did anyone begin acknowledging Glades Road west of US 441 as CR 808?

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FAzYY9PB.png&hash=7c26ca37b427906872aaa1af77718a90f843985b)
Is that a FDOT install. I would imagine it's only signed because of SR 808 being signed the other direction
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on August 13, 2016, 08:17:17 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on August 13, 2016, 12:35:08 PM
Quote from: emory on August 13, 2016, 06:57:12 AM
Speaking of Palm Beach County, when did anyone begin acknowledging Glades Road west of US 441 as CR 808?

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FAzYY9PB.png&hash=7c26ca37b427906872aaa1af77718a90f843985b)
Is that a FDOT install. I would imagine it's only signed because of SR 808 being signed the other direction

It is. It's on US 441/SR 7. They also installed CR 798 shields at the Palmetto Park Blvd intersection.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on August 14, 2016, 06:17:08 PM
I just drove home from Valdosta to Jacksonville... Took US 41 from just inside Florida to I-10.. i noticed US 41 has really wide ROW. I would guess there were plans in the 1950s to widen  the road like US1 farther east. But building i75 made it unnecessary.

It was an easy drive a couple small towns, Jennings, Jasper and White Springs but in between towns 60 mph speed limit i was going  over 70 most of it..  Good change of pace and unlike other parts of Florida No appreciable sprawl
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on August 14, 2016, 09:23:18 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on August 14, 2016, 06:17:08 PM
I just drove home from Valdosta to Jacksonville... Took US 41 from just inside Florida to I-10.. i noticed US 41 has really wide ROW. I would guess there were plans in the 1950s to widen  the road like US1 farther east. But building i75 made it unnecessary.

It was an easy drive a couple small towns, Jennings, Jasper and White Springs but in between towns 60 mph speed limit i was going  over 70 most of it..  Good change of pace and unlike other parts of Florida No appreciable sprawl

That's what I like about US 27, it basically is largely an expressway most of the way through the state.  It always made for a nice alternative heading to Miami as opposed to I-75, the Turnpike, or I-95....really friggin quiet out in the Everglades.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on August 24, 2016, 10:36:11 AM
Drove on the Orchard Pond Parkway last week - all five miles of it. The website says it encourages the trail usage, biking, walking. There was a parking spot about mid-way along the parkway for a trail, but I was on my lunch break.

North on Old Bainbridge Road, just a few miles north of the intersection from US 27 and FL 263:
(https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8282/28900134150_6a32cd642b_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/L2NK21)

Two-lane undivided toll road begins, heading eastbound:
(https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8268/28565764934_622b456af2_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Kwg1Gw)

Reassurance signage was posted about one mile into the route:
(https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8504/29023068726_40a54d6c3a_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LdEPbE)

Unusual mile markers - while whole miles were posted, crossroads and trails also had very specific mile markers, something not seen elsewhere in the state:
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/9/8883/29109757731_d5d5a7d214_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Lmk7NF)

(https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8177/29081628182_b00c9cd82c_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LiQWSs)

(https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8150/29081629762_0753eefd1b_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LiQXkG)

Toll schedule, looking westbound:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8065/29081630072_3e8a1d4565_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LiQXr3)

No unique shields for the Parkway yet, but this is the logo for it:
(https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8422/29109765071_e9621dbeea_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Lmk9Ze)

End of the Parkway at Meridian Road (CR 155); a little over 5 miles long:
(https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8132/29081631022_ffdb4680cf_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LiQXHq)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on August 24, 2016, 01:21:08 PM
^^^Well bloody hell, it does exist...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: amroad17 on August 24, 2016, 05:22:37 PM
Really?  Leon County 0344?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: chays on August 24, 2016, 05:37:25 PM
Quote from: formulanone on August 24, 2016, 10:36:11 AM

No unique shields for the Parkway yet, but this is the logo for it:
(https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8422/29109765071_e9621dbeea_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Lmk9Ze)


This could be filed under worst of road signs.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on August 24, 2016, 05:56:03 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on August 24, 2016, 05:22:37 PM
Really?  Leon County 0344?
Yes. It's part of the four-digit grid. CR 344 would be much farther to the south.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on August 24, 2016, 06:25:08 PM
That is really lame to use a leading zero on those county route markers.  So you mean to say that all of the three digits numbers are used?  What about CR 1000?  That would make more sense.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: amroad17 on August 24, 2016, 06:30:38 PM
Quote from: NE2 on August 24, 2016, 05:56:03 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on August 24, 2016, 05:22:37 PM
Really?  Leon County 0344?
Yes. It's part of the four-digit grid. CR 344 would be much farther to the south.
Sorry, I am not familiar with the county route numbering system in Florida.  I just found it an odd way to number a route.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on August 24, 2016, 06:53:03 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on August 24, 2016, 01:21:08 PM
^^^Well bloody hell, it does exist...
"Within a few years, it will see 2,000 vehicles per day."

If I'm building a toll road and it isn't hitting 2,000 vehicles per HOUR, something's wrong. Good luck with your stupid investment, bro.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on August 24, 2016, 07:48:52 PM
Per the pictures they did pick a perfect place to set up the "toll booth."
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on August 25, 2016, 08:00:56 AM
Quote from: formulanone on August 24, 2016, 10:36:11 AM
Drove on the Orchard Pond Parkway last week - all five miles of it. The website says it encourages the trail usage, biking, walking. There was a parking spot about mid-way along the parkway for a trail, but I was on my lunch break.

Drove it in May and pretty much did exactly what you did (even took a photo of the westbound toll schedule sign). I had driven through that area extensively in 2014 and 2015 doing map research for my old boss, so I had some extra interest in seeing the completed project.

Did get my photos posted to the site on this guide (https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=c0344fl).

As you saw on CR 0361, they also replaced all shields on the roads intersecting with the respective ends, so I went ahead and posted those:
CR 153/CR 0361 (https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=c0361fl) - west end
CR 155 (https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=c0155fl) - east end
CR 0342 (https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=c0342fl) - east end

Quote from: amroad17 on August 24, 2016, 06:30:38 PM
Quote from: NE2 on August 24, 2016, 05:56:03 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on August 24, 2016, 05:22:37 PM
Really?  Leon County 0344?
Yes. It's part of the four-digit grid. CR 344 would be much farther to the south.
Sorry, I am not familiar with the county route numbering system in Florida.  I just found it an odd way to number a route.

The 4-digit series of county roads are generally not posted and used mostly for inventory purposes. A few counties renumbered some of their posted routes with 4-digit numbers to reduce repetition left over from the old state secondary system. Alachua, Bay, Leon and Volusia Counties renumbered many of their routes.

The strata of numbering for 4-digit county roads sees any route designated between the state line and State Road 10 as CR-0000 to CR-0999, from SR 10 to SR 20 is then CR-1000 to CR-1999, and so on and so forth. Of course there are exceptions to this rule, as they are with the 3-digit numbering system.

Leon specifically renumbered several of their former secondary routes to reduce multiple segments with the same number. Unfortunately by doing that, it led to scenarios where the county road number changes at the county line, such as Gadsden County 153 changing to Leon County 0361, as CR 0361 replaced CR 153 further south.

Quote from: Avalanchez71 on August 24, 2016, 06:25:08 PM
That is really lame to use a leading zero on those county route markers.  So you mean to say that all of the three digits numbers are used?  What about CR 1000?  That would make more sense.

See my note above about the strata of routes. Originally I felt as you did, that the leading zero was lame, but later knowing how the system worked, it no longer bothered me. However, there are instances where sign manufacturers forgot to add the leading 0 on markers posted in the field. That somewhat bugs me, knowing that CR 361 is down in Levy and not Leon.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on August 25, 2016, 08:42:27 AM
Quote from: Alps on August 24, 2016, 06:53:03 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on August 24, 2016, 01:21:08 PM
^^^Well bloody hell, it does exist...
"Within a few years, it will see 2,000 vehicles per day."

If I'm building a toll road and it isn't hitting 2,000 vehicles per HOUR, something's wrong. Good luck with your stupid investment, bro.

I think he owned all the land, so whether he probably has a few decades to worry about it turning a profit. That said, I saw about 10-12 cars use it at around 1pm on a weekday, so there must be some more folks using it to conveniently cut across during rush hours.

Personally, I don't get it...it connects a pair of two-lane roads which will probably never see widening in our lifetimes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on August 27, 2016, 01:12:53 PM
The widening project for US 1 in Cocoa between Main Street and Lathem Drive has been completed, I had a chance to drive down it last week while taking care of some business in Cocoa.

New directional signs, streetlamps and signal mast arms abound; they did a very good job of widening the road to six lanes (it was at least ten years overdue, but at least a good portion of the businesses that were on US 1 are still there despite the long gestation time [nearly 4 years]).

The traffic flow is a bit smoother, though there are still major bunch-ups at the intersections with Dixon Blvd. and Michigan Avenue, but that's to be expected.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: WashuOtaku on August 30, 2016, 10:33:48 PM
Noticed this today on AASHTO's website, a late approval of the relocation of US 17 / US 92 in Sanford on August 1st, 2016.  Here's the documentation (http://route.transportation.org/Documents/US17-92_AASHTO-RouteChangeApplication_2016%2004%2012.pdf).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on August 31, 2016, 03:59:35 AM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on August 30, 2016, 10:33:48 PM
Noticed this today on AASHTO's website, a late approval of the relocation of US 17 / US 92 in Sanford on August 1st, 2016.  Here's the documentation (http://route.transportation.org/Documents/US17-92_AASHTO-RouteChangeApplication_2016%2004%2012.pdf).

Huh. I guess Monroe Road (CR 15) is being taken over by the state. This was originally intended as a Sanford bypass in the 1940s before I-4 was built.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 31, 2016, 07:59:30 AM
Yesterday, there was this big accident on the southbound lanes of US 19 in Spring Hill between Windward Village and the flea market that used to be a Wal-Mart. The State Troopers closed off two lanes of the route. An Isuzu NPR with a 22' or maybe 26' box body ended up in a drainage ditch with construction material sticking out of the back, while a Ford F-Series pickup behind it had a mangled cab, a bent frame, and possibly a dead driver and passenger.

NO NEWS COVERAGE!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on August 31, 2016, 02:21:12 PM
Dog bites man.

NO NEWS COVERAGE!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on August 31, 2016, 05:06:02 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on August 31, 2016, 07:59:30 AM
Yesterday, there was this big accident on the southbound lanes of US 19 in Spring Hill between Windward Village and the flea market that used to be a Wal-Mart. The State Troopers closed off two lanes of the route. An Isuzu NPR with a 22' or maybe 26' box body ended up in a drainage ditch with construction material sticking out of the back, while a Ford F-Series pickup behind it had a mangled cab, a bent frame, and possibly a dead driver and passenger.

NO NEWS COVERAGE!


Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the same stretch of US 19 where people sport the "pray for me I drive Highway 19" stickers?  I wouldn't suspect a crash would be that big of a deal given how much that expressway gets used.  The real shock for me that someone is still driving an Isuzu out there.  I'm sure there had to be something on the 511 page at least about a closure.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 31, 2016, 06:40:17 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 31, 2016, 05:06:02 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on August 31, 2016, 07:59:30 AM
Yesterday, there was this big accident on the southbound lanes of US 19 in Spring Hill between Windward Village and the flea market that used to be a Wal-Mart. The State Troopers closed off two lanes of the route. An Isuzu NPR with a 22' or maybe 26' box body ended up in a drainage ditch with construction material sticking out of the back, while a Ford F-Series pickup behind it had a mangled cab, a bent frame, and possibly a dead driver and passenger.

NO NEWS COVERAGE!


Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the same stretch of US 19 where people sport the "pray for me I drive Highway 19" stickers?  I wouldn't suspect a crash would be that big of a deal given how much that expressway gets used.  The real shock for me that someone is still driving an Isuzu out there.  I'm sure there had to be something on the 511 page at least about a closure.
First, that section is not an expressway (although it should be). Second, a crash like this is pretty severe compared to most of what usually happens. As far as the 511 page goes, it means nothing if you're on the road and the car you drive doesn't have a computer.



Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on August 31, 2016, 07:17:43 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on August 31, 2016, 06:40:17 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 31, 2016, 05:06:02 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on August 31, 2016, 07:59:30 AM
Yesterday, there was this big accident on the southbound lanes of US 19 in Spring Hill between Windward Village and the flea market that used to be a Wal-Mart. The State Troopers closed off two lanes of the route. An Isuzu NPR with a 22' or maybe 26' box body ended up in a drainage ditch with construction material sticking out of the back, while a Ford F-Series pickup behind it had a mangled cab, a bent frame, and possibly a dead driver and passenger.

NO NEWS COVERAGE!


Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the same stretch of US 19 where people sport the "pray for me I drive Highway 19" stickers?  I wouldn't suspect a crash would be that big of a deal given how much that expressway gets used.  The real shock for me that someone is still driving an Isuzu out there.  I'm sure there had to be something on the 511 page at least about a closure.
First, that section is not an expressway (although it should be). Second, a crash like this is pretty severe compared to most of what usually happens. As far as the 511 page goes, it means nothing if you're on the road and the car you drive doesn't have a computer.

Is it not 6-land divided highway with 50 MPH plus speed limits in addition to numerous frontage road for businesses?  That section from FL 50 to County Line Road is pretty well separated from grade level intersections.  Generally things don't get too bad with the direct level access until Pasco.  FL 50 from US 19 to Ridge Manor is kind of similar albeit has much less development cluster around it.   I never said it was a freeway...anyways yes tragic about the people being killed but it's not as uncommon as you might think for nobody to publicize it in the media.  I had plenty of circumstances when I was patrol-man where really bad things happened on the road and nobody was media source ever responded.  If it was I-4 or I-75 it probably would have...maybe the Suncoast Parkway even.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 02, 2016, 10:40:01 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 31, 2016, 07:17:43 PM
Is it not 6-land divided highway with 50 MPH plus speed limits in addition to numerous frontage road for businesses?
Even with that, it still has grade-level intersections, thus disqualifying it as an expressway. Plus the frontage roads are often disconnected, and new businesses who set up shop along there tend to forget about the rights-of-way for those frontage roads. The same thing happens along FL 50. There's a 7-Eleven on the northwest corner of northbound US 19 and Berkeley Manor Boulevard, with a driveway that's always causing traffic jams. FDOT recently added a second left-turn lane from Breakwater Boulevard to northbound US 19, but neglected the need to add left-turn lanes to the frontage road used by Home Depot, Target and Publix.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 15, 2016, 07:17:51 PM
Does anyone know why FL 528 is being raised from its current height above Shingle Creek in Orlando?  Right now the new expansion lanes are almost 10 feet higher than the current height across this particular creek. They have EB traffic placed on the new span, as the current WB and EB will be also raised.

I live in the area and know of no flooding issues of any sort with Shingle Creek, so I was wondering if anyone here knows the answer on that one.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 15, 2016, 07:28:32 PM
Perhaps for the Shingle Creek Trail.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on September 15, 2016, 10:19:51 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 15, 2016, 07:17:51 PM
Does anyone know why FL 528 is being raised from its current height above Shingle Creek in Orlando?  Right now the new expansion lanes are almost 10 feet higher than the current height across this particular creek. They have EB traffic placed on the new span, as the current WB and EB will be also raised.

I live in the area and know of no flooding issues of any sort with Shingle Creek, so I was wondering if anyone here knows the answer on that one.

My guess would be to make it more easily navigable for boats, but I don't know what type of boat traffic they would possibly expect on that stretch of water. How high do you think the old bridges were? I've never really paid attention.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 17, 2016, 08:55:55 AM
Its not nowhere near navigable.  Its just a typical creek!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on September 17, 2016, 01:56:37 PM
To avoid any possibilities of the road being shut down due to localized flooding?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on September 17, 2016, 02:28:38 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on September 17, 2016, 01:56:37 PM
To avoid any possibilities of the road being shut down due to localized flooding?
I thought this. I have seen bridges raised to get above flood levels for a 50 year flood
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on September 17, 2016, 09:20:08 PM
Found a county road marker on a BGS in FL without the ugly yellow square background:

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.7863947,-81.7480499,3a,26.1y,195.01h,97.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEK0GZpyBXrzwrVC9xB5T2w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.7863947,-81.7480499,3a,26.1y,195.01h,97.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEK0GZpyBXrzwrVC9xB5T2w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

And look nearby... who puts delineators behind the sidewalk this far from the road:
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.7849831,-81.7484947,3a,26.7y,215.65h,84.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBewiwNsoqYU9Ej_XeBMs9w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.7849831,-81.7484947,3a,26.7y,215.65h,84.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBewiwNsoqYU9Ej_XeBMs9w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 18, 2016, 10:26:13 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on September 17, 2016, 02:28:38 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on September 17, 2016, 01:56:37 PM
To avoid any possibilities of the road being shut down due to localized flooding?
I thought this. I have seen bridges raised to get above flood levels for a 50 year flood
Most likely as this theory does hold plausibility.  However, IMO its a waste of money to totally replace a bridge that is in good standing.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 18, 2016, 12:05:29 PM
It's probably for the Shingle Creek Trail, dude.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on September 20, 2016, 01:03:27 PM
I-95 Express Lanes Seeing Changes to Safety Poles, Creation of New Emergency Lanes (http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/I-95-Express-Lanes-Seeing-Changes-to-Safety-Poles-Creation-of-New-Emergency-Lanes-393990051.html)

QuoteIn an effort to help prevent dangerous incidents of people going in between the express lanes and normal ones on I-95, Florida Department of Transportation officials are unveiling new safety measures they hope will keep all motorists safe.

Starting Tuesday, FDOT crews will begin installing more durable plastic poles used to divide the express lanes from non-tolled traffic. The distance between the polls will also be reduced from 10 feet to five feet. The project is expected to take 10 weeks to complete and will be done at night.

QuoteAnother safety measure taking place is the construction of five new emergency stopping sites along the express lanes between Northwest 62nd Street and Northwest 131st Street. The 13-foot wide shoulders will be between 1,200 and 1,900 feet in length and give both drivers and emergency crews room to safely pull over.

Construction is expected to start in January and last one year.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on September 20, 2016, 01:09:55 PM
Will they raise the toll to pay for the poles?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 21, 2016, 12:38:36 AM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscontent.ftpa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net%2Ft31.0-8%2Fq83%2Fs960x960%2F14361237_1643066479357460_7468056687796492960_o.jpg&hash=4a7ddbbdf24e2f04e0a0f19a0d60d87101d87943)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on September 21, 2016, 09:34:46 PM
Quote from: NE2 on September 21, 2016, 12:38:36 AM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscontent.ftpa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net%2Ft31.0-8%2Fq83%2Fs960x960%2F14361237_1643066479357460_7468056687796492960_o.jpg&hash=4a7ddbbdf24e2f04e0a0f19a0d60d87101d87943)

I'm sure this is still the only shield in existence, and its not even on the mainline. Nice to see it though. Thanks!

I looked on GSV and its been there since at least July. In fact, this sign replaced a regulatory sign (curve ahead).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 23, 2016, 01:23:37 PM
Was that there when we visited there back in May Flaroads?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on September 23, 2016, 02:07:48 PM
Quote from: NE2 on September 21, 2016, 12:38:36 AM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscontent.ftpa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net%2Ft31.0-8%2Fq83%2Fs960x960%2F14361237_1643066479357460_7468056687796492960_o.jpg&hash=4a7ddbbdf24e2f04e0a0f19a0d60d87101d87943)

Are those two logos on each side of the shield really necessary? Do people care which expressway authority is handling their charges?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 24, 2016, 10:09:02 AM
Quote from: formulanone on September 23, 2016, 02:07:48 PM
Quote from: NE2 on September 21, 2016, 12:38:36 AM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscontent.ftpa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net%2Ft31.0-8%2Fq83%2Fs960x960%2F14361237_1643066479357460_7468056687796492960_o.jpg&hash=4a7ddbbdf24e2f04e0a0f19a0d60d87101d87943)

Are those two logos on each side of the shield really necessary? Do people care which expressway authority is handling their charges?
No!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on September 29, 2016, 06:29:29 PM
(https://www.floridamemory.com/fpc/reference/rc17253.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on September 30, 2016, 10:38:09 PM
This Hendry County Road sign is black/yellow
https://www.google.com/maps/@26.7681779,-81.3588366,3a,15.6y,204.74h,87.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCISjYaHzYvNBrgBgXoSd1A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.7681779,-81.3588366,3a,15.6y,204.74h,87.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCISjYaHzYvNBrgBgXoSd1A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on October 01, 2016, 10:48:25 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on September 30, 2016, 10:38:09 PM
This Hendry County Road sign is black/yellow
https://www.google.com/maps/@26.7681779,-81.3588366,3a,15.6y,204.74h,87.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCISjYaHzYvNBrgBgXoSd1A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.7681779,-81.3588366,3a,15.6y,204.74h,87.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCISjYaHzYvNBrgBgXoSd1A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

We had some debate about it a while back whether it's black or very dark blue...I didn't think about the exact color at the time. On the other hand, a sign shop isn't likely to create its own colors, so it might very well be black-with-yellow text.

Another Hendry County example:

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8555/29527713911_08edd32c97_o.jpg)

On the other hand, this was definitely black:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flh3.googleusercontent.com%2FMV9HtwXZyOra18diKzdSp6mlSnzUlZCbSTWCOhibdj3sm2hrfSK2aPbG_dXHmVt52OPbWEzx6EEHUF0QBi2ege629el3-1Nf_NleA5mnnrcfE624cILCQFiQTYk8WvK6Ag-Hwcm3a-PjbDvrWzQrRlZxHG6MHdF0x-QXgFHDJZBGxT63AhzbtRSEjUyueEzYK-VOs3bIkbmbi_8GOET2iQRyfVexvi5WjApTGJFKeWMpYEUnZVzKul5RIJH8MXRo8N-FvAnpwLSUMQpkYuNmAj1V-GStYtcrc7OA1xNrbCINDioYQGl8wsFQAWY8cRGC_wIk8eIqYQLsYS-VuDD6rFQN7--aciDYczOuelSEjz4GsenzpoivSJwKUBXupn9-cNVPbVZn_4Lu7lElvc1qSaw-6nVbY1wRG42aggzkoctC8ZquB5Ad6Y0bEoqv2iwuC07cZaRKv7XyXIvH-SdvNUSK1fZrki-XXtVh9mhZo2tANaf6TU5_YKCY7fQ1xCT7f04dGfSResS25odRnY2phP_w3FFLACIZx-HXjeOV_ICWkQQQ0V8U8MP9s2weY2rPK_fy5mQIVnolta1KwVP0pWJLn0NLRq4mE2QPI7kv4CKY85R-8g%3Dw533-h800-no&hash=115b6d189bcb5a2a52e26c9d09c23eff21b9946f)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on October 01, 2016, 01:00:56 PM
Yeah, I'm wondering if they just made it incorrectly, using blue transparent film over a yellow background. Here's one in Oakland:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2FFLTrip2013SLR133_zps0fcadb8b.jpg&hash=457318ba610fa83c9081805fe8e34da986081f24) (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/Brian5561/media/FLTrip2013SLR133_zps0fcadb8b.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on October 11, 2016, 04:28:11 PM
Quote from: formulanone on October 01, 2016, 10:48:25 AM

On the other hand, this was definitely black:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flh3.googleusercontent.com%2FMV9HtwXZyOra18diKzdSp6mlSnzUlZCbSTWCOhibdj3sm2hrfSK2aPbG_dXHmVt52OPbWEzx6EEHUF0QBi2ege629el3-1Nf_NleA5mnnrcfE624cILCQFiQTYk8WvK6Ag-Hwcm3a-PjbDvrWzQrRlZxHG6MHdF0x-QXgFHDJZBGxT63AhzbtRSEjUyueEzYK-VOs3bIkbmbi_8GOET2iQRyfVexvi5WjApTGJFKeWMpYEUnZVzKul5RIJH8MXRo8N-FvAnpwLSUMQpkYuNmAj1V-GStYtcrc7OA1xNrbCINDioYQGl8wsFQAWY8cRGC_wIk8eIqYQLsYS-VuDD6rFQN7--aciDYczOuelSEjz4GsenzpoivSJwKUBXupn9-cNVPbVZn_4Lu7lElvc1qSaw-6nVbY1wRG42aggzkoctC8ZquB5Ad6Y0bEoqv2iwuC07cZaRKv7XyXIvH-SdvNUSK1fZrki-XXtVh9mhZo2tANaf6TU5_YKCY7fQ1xCT7f04dGfSResS25odRnY2phP_w3FFLACIZx-HXjeOV_ICWkQQQ0V8U8MP9s2weY2rPK_fy5mQIVnolta1KwVP0pWJLn0NLRq4mE2QPI7kv4CKY85R-8g%3Dw533-h800-no&hash=115b6d189bcb5a2a52e26c9d09c23eff21b9946f)

Speaking of CR 470, I just found out part of Sumter CR 470 in the Sumterville-Lake Panasoffkee area is a State Road now, and Florida SR 48 in Bushnell has been downgraded entirely to a county road. I couldn't get the pictures, because I was driving south and the signs were facing northbound traffic.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on October 11, 2016, 05:45:34 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on October 11, 2016, 04:28:11 PM
Speaking of CR 470, I just found out part of Sumter CR 470 in the Sumterville-Lake Panasoffkee area is a State Road now, and Florida SR 48 in Bushnell has been downgraded entirely to a county road. I couldn't get the pictures, because I was driving south and the signs were facing northbound traffic.

I'm having trouble finding the transfer agreement, but here's a years old letter from an Orlando consulting firm.
ftp://ftp.dot.state.fl.us/LTS/D5/Procurement/15558%20CR%20470/LORs/Kittelson%20Letter%20of%20Response%2015558%20-%20CR%20470%20PD&E%20Study.pdf

Looks like Sumter county swapped CR 470 with FDOT in exchange for a segment of SR 48 so the state could maintain a corridor between I-75 and the Turnpike. No updates on the straight line diagrams yet. If they transferred the entire 2+ mile segment then that means SR 48 is now history.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on October 11, 2016, 09:32:08 PM
Quote from: emory on October 11, 2016, 05:45:34 PM
I'm having trouble finding the transfer agreement, but here's a years old letter from an Orlando consulting firm.
ftp://ftp.dot.state.fl.us/LTS/D5/Procurement/15558%20CR%20470/LORs/Kittelson%20Letter%20of%20Response%2015558%20-%20CR%20470%20PD&E%20Study.pdf

Looks like Sumter county swapped CR 470 with FDOT in exchange for a segment of SR 48 so the state could maintain a corridor between I-75 and the Turnpike. No updates on the straight line diagrams yet. If they transferred the entire 2+ mile segment then that means SR 48 is now history.
I can't get that link for some reason.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on October 12, 2016, 01:49:08 PM
Quote from D-Dey65:
QuoteSpeaking of CR 470, I just found out part of Sumter CR 470 in the Sumterville-Lake Panasoffkee area is a State Road now, and Florida SR 48 in Bushnell has been downgraded entirely to a county road.

In this GSV, dated May 2015, you can see a WEST CR 48 sign, but the reassurance sign still says SR 48. If you turn back time in GSV, the CR 48 sign will still be there. Guess it was an error. GSV does show the overhead on I-75 already saying CR 48 in 2016
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6690771,-82.1121522,3a,19.4y,219.69h,83.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syYfNZ3iBFfe05mDyrJCWjA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6690771,-82.1121522,3a,19.4y,219.69h,83.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syYfNZ3iBFfe05mDyrJCWjA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on October 14, 2016, 09:00:59 PM
Is CR 48 even signed in Bushnell?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on October 15, 2016, 08:28:18 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on October 14, 2016, 09:00:59 PM
Is CR 48 even signed in Bushnell?

As of 2012, it was:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8786%2F29667920765_22879549b8_b.jpg&hash=4dbb0c2f6825b8c2375d21cd262ec6c9c5253736)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on October 15, 2016, 10:54:59 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on October 14, 2016, 09:00:59 PM
Is CR 48 even signed in Bushnell?
Mostly east of US 301, and a few along SR 48 by mistake.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on October 16, 2016, 08:13:28 PM
Via GSV, I found a couple of END shields at MDX roads whose route numbers don't technically end, and SR 112 signage still exists over in Mid-Beach. "Begin State Maintenance" signs also accompany both.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FPvAkGij.png&hash=3fa80eee56f803dca94b6d261b30b8320e177391)(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FOSDfXxw.png&hash=f41e0605b9a73872ebd0e79c6aa28bfaeaf6332a)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on October 17, 2016, 06:36:16 PM
The Gratigny Parkway doesn't get an END shield like the others. Just a state maintenance sign. Although I didn't know that MDX maintained a stretch of the un-tolled local road, all the way to SR 9. They even have mile markers on NW 119th Street with the Toll-924 shields on them.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F4eGMIrQ.png&hash=30b0d92d6cc063eed7c56c775e7a0f9216a79f8b)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mergingtraffic on November 09, 2016, 04:56:59 PM
are there any state-named I-75 shields around Fort Meyers anymore?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on November 09, 2016, 05:28:35 PM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on November 09, 2016, 04:56:59 PM
are there any state-named I-75 shields around Fort Meyers anymore?

I'll check my photos from July, but the only one I have is in Naples, on CR 846 and 951.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on November 09, 2016, 07:14:26 PM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on November 09, 2016, 04:56:59 PM
are there any state-named I-75 shields around Fort Meyers an ymore?

Yes there are some within the vicinity of US 41 Business and Florida 80.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on November 11, 2016, 10:17:02 AM
There was one on 41 the last time I drove past Page Field.  Shows up in Streetview too:  https://goo.gl/maps/zCayLADVAix
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mergingtraffic on November 16, 2016, 06:37:02 PM
From what I hear, another US-27 colored shield in Lake Placid, FL is now gone.
(https://c7.staticflickr.com/1/723/22830966750_735a5d7f42_c.jpg)

(https://c5.staticflickr.com/1/462/18539991604_0984d8f18d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ufjizE)One of two colored US-27 shields left in Lake Placid, FL. Intersection of US-27, CR-17, CR-621. Date on back of sign says March 1971. (https://flic.kr/p/ufjizE) by mergingtraffic (https://www.flickr.com/photos/98731835@N05/), on Flickr

This is the only one left:
(https://c6.staticflickr.com/1/491/19162868221_883a760485_c.jpg)


as is this sign according to GSV
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/6/5810/22767571099_b4b37f2f37_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/AFTKFi)I-95 NB button copy. Note: the ghost &quot;C&quot; and the &quot;50&quot; overlay.  This used to be Exit 40C before mile-based exit numbering came along. Boca Raton, FL. (https://flic.kr/p/AFTKFi) by mergingtraffic (https://www.flickr.com/photos/98731835@N05/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on December 02, 2016, 12:58:00 AM
FDOT intends to relinquish SR 585 to the City of Tampa this month, who will not allow trucks to travel on the local road. A flyer has been made for truckers identifying the new regulated truck routes through Ybor City. https://www.tampagov.net/sites/default/files/ybor-city-development-corporation/files/flyerfortruckroute.pdf
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 05, 2016, 10:46:15 PM
http://www.idrivedistrict.com/editorFiles/20150325%20DAB%20Sand%20Lake%20Road%20Improvements.pdf

Pretty soon widening in the area of International Drive in Orlando along Sand Lake Road will commence.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on December 06, 2016, 08:37:17 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 05, 2016, 10:46:15 PM
http://www.idrivedistrict.com/editorFiles/20150325%20DAB%20Sand%20Lake%20Road%20Improvements.pdf

Pretty soon widening in the area of International Drive in Orlando along Sand Lake Road will commence.


This one was WAY overdue...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 07, 2016, 09:26:48 AM
Tell me about Orlando is way behind in its roads.  Considering that the developers are way ahead, at the current rate we will be in a total traffic standstill within five years.

All we do is develop and build like jack rabbits, but getting the roads upgraded takes many years to implement plus the fact we are already behind in that by more than a decade. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on December 07, 2016, 12:02:59 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 07, 2016, 09:26:48 AM
Tell me about Orlando is way behind in its roads.  Considering that the developers are way ahead, at the current rate we will be in a total traffic standstill within five years.

All we do is develop and build like jack rabbits, but getting the roads upgraded takes many years to implement plus the fact we are already behind in that by more than a decade. 

Orlando and the Space Coast are paying the price of "growth for the sake of" and they will never catch up (the widening of 50 out to the Little Econ is probably going to be packed by the time they're done with it, so the backups will start in Bithlo versus Avalon Park; the widening of US 1 in Cocoa has already managed to be almost of no effect in the month since they've completed construction). Throw in the "don't raise my taxes" and the NIMBY crowd and I doubt very seriously you'll see more than band-aids for the local arterials, forget about building new roads beyond what's already in construction.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on December 10, 2016, 05:54:56 AM
Quote from: formulanone on October 01, 2016, 10:48:25 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on September 30, 2016, 10:38:09 PM
This Hendry County Road sign is black/yellow
https://www.google.com/maps/@26.7681779,-81.3588366,3a,15.6y,204.74h,87.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCISjYaHzYvNBrgBgXoSd1A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.7681779,-81.3588366,3a,15.6y,204.74h,87.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCISjYaHzYvNBrgBgXoSd1A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

We had some debate about it a while back whether it's black or very dark blue...I didn't think about the exact color at the time. On the other hand, a sign shop isn't likely to create its own colors, so it might very well be black-with-yellow text.


Monroe County Roads 905 and 905A are signed using that same design.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F1OcTdjS.png&hash=9c489ba666ae9e24c77876b389bf53222a7d8f2b)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FQuB0aXi.png&hash=6c7e4c3422b7943f3ee80112e47b6b16369a7ba6)(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FmXD58JJ.png&hash=971f885361c5350771deb2e7f15685af2b0d748b)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on December 10, 2016, 12:29:06 PM
Quote from roadman65:
Quote
Tell me about Orlando is way behind in its roads.  Considering that the developers are way ahead, at the current rate we will be in a total traffic standstill within five years.

All we do is develop and build like jack rabbits, but getting the roads upgraded takes many years to implement plus the fact we are already behind in that by more than a decade.

I've said this before, I think the biggest problem with roads in the Orlando Metro area is that the arterial streets are too widely spaced, and are not laid out well, and that is an unfixable problem.

Look at the northern suburbs of Dallas, TX as an example of a good layout. In Plano, thoroughfares are spaced one mile or less apart, and are continuous across the city, forming a grid. In Orlando, thoroughfares can be several miles apart, and they are often discontinuous.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Stephane Dumas on December 13, 2016, 10:24:51 AM
I saw that one via Tollroadsnews about the missing link between I-95, the Sawgrass Pkwy and FL Tpk.
http://tollroadsnews.com/news-briefs/daily-news-briefs-december-13-2016/#brief-article16
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fl-i95-sawgrass-link-deal-done-20161212-story.html
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on December 13, 2016, 03:09:12 PM
Wow.  The times are a-changin'.  I never thought this would ever happen when I lived in south Florida for 17 years.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on December 13, 2016, 04:06:11 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on December 13, 2016, 10:24:51 AM
I saw that one via Tollroadsnews about the missing link between I-95, the Sawgrass Pkwy and FL Tpk.
http://tollroadsnews.com/news-briefs/daily-news-briefs-december-13-2016/#brief-article16
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fl-i95-sawgrass-link-deal-done-20161212-story.html

I hope the I-95 interchange with FL869 is completely re-worked; it's horrible during rush hour and backs up at least a mile or two. There will need to be some sort of Sawgrass exit for Military Trail and probably another complex for the Publix Distribution Center.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 15, 2016, 12:12:02 AM
Planning documents for SR 869: http://www.browardmpo.org/index.php/documents1
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 03, 2017, 11:02:19 PM
Went to go check out the old FL 121 Keys shield at CR 23D near the Georgia border...

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fc5.staticflickr.com%2F6%2F5607%2F31715707820_f98312abf8_c.jpg&hash=33dce9aa0225b7dd5d3064e356aca6cbadc9059e) (http://flic.kr/p/QjBhYC)

I feel a bit trolled.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on January 04, 2017, 12:36:29 AM
Quote from: formulanone on January 03, 2017, 11:02:19 PM
Went to go check out the old FL 121 Keys shield at CR 23D near the Georgia border...

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fc5.staticflickr.com%2F6%2F5607%2F31715707820_f98312abf8_c.jpg&hash=33dce9aa0225b7dd5d3064e356aca6cbadc9059e) (http://flic.kr/p/QjBhYC)

I feel a bit trolled.
I saw one of these in Baker County... I believe it was at CR 228 and 121... Isnt 23D the same intersection

LGMS428

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 04, 2017, 09:54:47 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 04, 2017, 12:36:29 AM
Quote from: formulanone on January 03, 2017, 11:02:19 PM
Went to go check out the old FL 121 Keys shield at CR 23D near the Georgia border...
<snip>
I feel a bit trolled.
I saw one of these in Baker County... I believe it was at CR 228 and 121... Isnt 23D the same intersection

That is quite wretched. Did not know they had replaced the one I photographed in 2013.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 04, 2017, 11:13:16 AM
Quote from: Alex on January 04, 2017, 09:54:47 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 04, 2017, 12:36:29 AM
Quote from: formulanone on January 03, 2017, 11:02:19 PM
Went to go check out the old FL 121 Keys shield at CR 23D near the Georgia border...
<snip>
I feel a bit trolled.
I saw one of these in Baker County... I believe it was at CR 228 and 121... Isnt 23D the same intersection

That is quite wretched. Did not know they had replaced the one I photographed in 2013.

Some counties just have their own interpretation of the Florida SR shield. Noticed a bunch of questionable signage with compressed fonts from Jacksonville to Gainesville, yesterday.

I saw the SR 243 shield you mentioned, though.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Aerobird on January 07, 2017, 07:15:05 AM
Quote from: formulanone on August 25, 2016, 08:42:27 AMI think he owned all the land, so whether he probably has a few decades to worry about it turning a profit. That said, I saw about 10-12 cars use it at around 1pm on a weekday, so there must be some more folks using it to conveniently cut across during rush hours.

Personally, I don't get it...it connects a pair of two-lane roads which will probably never see widening in our lifetimes.
Belatedly, on the Orchard Pond Parkway...this was actually a hugely desired and needed connector. While at a glance, it looks exactly as that last line implies, it's actually the 'missing link' in getting around Tallahassee, as there used to be no connections whatsoever between the western and eastern sides of the county north of I-10; FL-12 by the Georgia line was a tremendous detour just to get to and then to get back down, as the connection to CR-153/CR-0361 to 'return' was far to the west, extending the route greatly. The reason for this gap was Lake Jackson and the plantations around it.

Using a clip from the line map:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FU09xg6l.png&hash=24726673497a98e018abdab4f7b564ffb1fca395)
The black line is the route that had to be taken to get from north-central Tallahassee to northwest or west Tallahassee without going through the main part of town.
The green line is the route with the Orchard Pond Parkway.

And that is why the road exists.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: tidecat on January 08, 2017, 09:36:53 PM
Question for the Orlando area folks:

Have any references to Wet 'n Wild been removed from any highway signs? I know there are some references on I-4 and on Sand Lake Road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 17, 2017, 06:24:43 PM
I'm down here in South Florida for work and am taking some pictures. I've noticed some sign errors. My favorite so far: if you're on I-95 north and exit on Broward Blvd/SR 842, you'll see shields for US 842 instead.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Revive 755 on January 17, 2017, 10:45:48 PM
Speaking of Orchard Pond Parkway:  I don't think I've seen a County pentagon with a toll banner before.  Streetview at the western end (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.5821942,-84.3586025,3a,16.3y,12.68h,87.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZKnERt0fQHZF6pS03LWljw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 17, 2017, 11:06:24 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on January 17, 2017, 10:45:48 PM
Speaking of Orchard Pond Parkway:  I don't think I've seen a County pentagon with a toll banner before.
http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/fl/osceola/
https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida098/us-098_eb_app_fl-399_02.jpg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Aerobird on January 20, 2017, 11:43:28 PM
The reconstruction/realignment of the US-98/US-319 intersection in Wakulla County is nearly complete now; the realignment/widening of US-319 leading up to 98 is finished, and the other day passing through I noticed that the repaving on 98 (with the finishing of the EB>NB left turn lane) is done as well. It looks as if the only remaining work is finishing the old alignment of 319 (now Old Crawfordville Highway) that is currently closed to traffic.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on January 21, 2017, 12:49:39 AM
One of my favorite roads in FL. US92 west of Daytona Beach. An old concrete divided highway that looks to have been built as a divided higway in the 1950s.

The Concrete was rehabed recently but the noise from expansion joints still there:)

65 mph speed limit. Nice change of pace from i4 or a good alternate if there are traffic issues on the 12 mile stretch without an exit

LGMS428
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170121/4cc3e11cd4544c77608f6398e4d051a0.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 24, 2017, 05:31:43 PM
Just got back from Florida. Turns out the SR 842 sign boo boo wasn't the only one.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F61DTmpU.jpg&hash=203a3bab7ee0a29495153060f8b3421df29301b0)

Here's another along SR 84!

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FyTKY5tn.png&hash=29bfb02de509a3d97a1d5ce1d7765c9b404ff56b)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 24, 2017, 05:36:43 PM
This is, so far, the only instance of a Broward County road reassurance shield I've seen. This is on Dixie Highway, north of SR 810 heading that way.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FFlmTvG8.png&hash=2a92cba43c84a772ee97c646f2ded1acf00dbd53)

This sign looks like it's been here a while, but I wanted to get a shot of this CR 5A shield in the keys off SR A1A.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FgUv4nXT.jpg&hash=d3e7c4bfe11b136e9cfc77d1b7ad0d4d0428b6c8)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 24, 2017, 09:36:32 PM
When was that CR-5A taken?  I'm curious because the last time I went down Flagler the CR-5A that was present on A1A was beat to all hell.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 24, 2017, 09:45:40 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 24, 2017, 09:36:32 PM
When was that CR-5A taken?  I'm curious because the last time I went down Flagler the CR-5A that was present on A1A was beat to all hell.

Last week. Same sign appears to be on GSV.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 24, 2017, 10:20:49 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 24, 2017, 09:36:32 PM
When was that CR-5A taken?  I'm curious because the last time I went down Flagler the CR-5A that was present on A1A was beat to all hell.

1) Which Key is that?

2) Anyone have a photo of the original? ...the borderless JCT plaque looks like those found on 1960s-70s Keys Shields, and the "Divided Highway" supplement also appears to be from a bygone era (instead of using double arrows to denote multiple lanes of travel).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 24, 2017, 10:48:39 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 24, 2017, 10:20:49 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 24, 2017, 09:36:32 PM
When was that CR-5A taken?  I'm curious because the last time I went down Flagler the CR-5A that was present on A1A was beat to all hell.

1) Which Key is that?

2) Anyone have a photo of the original? ...the borderless JCT plaque looks like those found on 1960s-70s Keys Shields, and the "Divided Highway" supplement also appears to be from a bygone era (instead of using double arrows to denote multiple lanes of travel).

That would be on Key West itself just south where US 1 splits to the north end of the island on Roosevelt and A1A follows the south end by the airport.  Basically CR-5A is Flagler Avenue...I want to say to Bertha Street?  It is the sign that I was speaking of in my post, it probably has been there since the 60s-70s like you said:

https://www.google.com/maps/@24.5636756,-81.7500705,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sQio6iP8qdAPwWGir7WtNCw!2e0!5s20080301T000000!7i3328!8i1664!6m1!1e1?hl=en

Quote from: emory on January 24, 2017, 09:45:40 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 24, 2017, 09:36:32 PM
When was that CR-5A taken?  I'm curious because the last time I went down Flagler the CR-5A that was present on A1A was beat to all hell.

Last week. Same sign appears to be on GSV.

I was briefly stationed down there in the far flung past and it IS the same sign that I remember.  There still doesn't appear to be one in the southbound lanes of A1A even after all these years.  I'm amazed no storms have ever knocked down or someone in the know about how rare of a sign it is has stolen it like "US 1, End, MM0."
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 25, 2017, 12:44:02 AM
(https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida001/fl-a1a_nb_app_flagler_av.jpg)

Same sign photographed in May 2006 (https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=s0a1aafl)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 25, 2017, 12:31:03 PM
Some more pics from the panhandle.

SR 390 is back all the way to US 231, and the former and new terminii have been updated to reflect. There are no more CR 390 shields on the road but no new SR shields either. Also as you can see the overhead sign on US 231 still says CR 390.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F77D3OxI.jpg&hash=d9c0b1c474ba31922296a8d2a73e1285a2555837)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FRqLiccS.jpg&hash=1e8728ad6c869d77677149a12dcc0f97d1d5634d)(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FYpY5F5E.jpg&hash=a2017731472a98e8797245632f84710dc6d5fb62)

Back down in Miami, here is the only instance of an I-395 shield (besides the END one eastbound) on I-395.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FRwoTOPy.jpg&hash=2dadb87580f8b9f3564f29fa5546d8ac94f6e801)

And at the other end, a LAST EXIT BEF0RE TOLL sign.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FWf4v8Vc.jpg&hash=f8eeff1734a3902fa8adb06a86a94277c24743a6)

I also got to drive on the widened Krome Avenue (SR 997) which, once they've finished the north end will be a four lane expressway from US 27 to US 41. It would be great if Krome was like that all the way to US 1 but I'm sure the state doesn't want an alternative to the Turnpike.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 25, 2017, 12:54:48 PM
Quote from: Alex on January 25, 2017, 12:44:02 AM
(https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida001/fl-a1a_nb_app_flagler_av.jpg)

Same sign photographed in May 2006 (https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=s0a1aafl)

I can't recall but wasn't there US 1 Detour signs on Flagler Avenue circa 2013 or 2014?   I remember Roosevelt being southbound only during the recent reconstruction at some point.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on January 27, 2017, 03:44:06 AM
Quote from: emory on January 25, 2017, 12:31:03 PM
Some more pics from the panhandle.

SR 390 is back all the way to US 231, and the former and new terminii have been updated to reflect. There are no more CR 390 shields on the road but no new SR shields either. Also as you can see the overhead sign on US 231 still says CR 390.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F77D3OxI.jpg&hash=d9c0b1c474ba31922296a8d2a73e1285a2555837)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FRqLiccS.jpg&hash=1e8728ad6c869d77677149a12dcc0f97d1d5634d)(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FYpY5F5E.jpg&hash=a2017731472a98e8797245632f84710dc6d5fb62)


Wow! They brought it back?! Did you see if signs were changed on CR 389? I have looked at the Straight-Line Diagrams recently, but blocked this part of 390 out and was more interested in the leftover pieces of SR 30 in PCB.


Also with the SLDs, how was SR 79 realigned north of CR 284 in Washington County? I've stared at a satellite map of the area and cannot figure it out.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 27, 2017, 12:27:30 PM
Quote from: florida on January 27, 2017, 03:44:06 AM
Wow! They brought it back?! Did you see if signs were changed on CR 389? I have looked at the Straight-Line Diagrams recently, but blocked this part of 390 out and was more interested in the leftover pieces of SR 30 in PCB.

All shields referencing CR 390 were removed and replaced with nothing. US 98 still has the overhead sign referring to SR 30 but the new CR 30 currently has no shields of any kind on it. There are still a couple stray US 98 Alt. shields out there too.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 29, 2017, 08:32:56 PM
The I-75 express lanes south of the SR 869/I-595 interchange are coming along nicely.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Filh2b7Y.jpg&hash=3193939ed322006fddf09667da5773dc40e71cff)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FsxkoGXt.jpg&hash=0c0afb8fa6df2f4064a24fd83f657e05eb9ec620)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FsDPtoIW.jpg&hash=89c7977a47b57fce36df00ec6f8aeb7b754e55e7)

Here's an overhead with no white fill from Sample Road/SR 834. These are fun to spot.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FiVSLkQw.jpg&hash=b342b7e4f58b7ab6053e8f9813b3738339cc93c3)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 29, 2017, 08:34:08 PM
^^^

Weird seeing the 845s in green like that. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 30, 2017, 06:01:24 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 29, 2017, 08:34:08 PM
^^^

Weird seeing the 845s in green like that. 

They are kind of rare; here's one of a pair in Hawthorne:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fc1.staticflickr.com%2F9%2F8357%2F29377128260_9beb078ebe_b.jpg&hash=0df3906536d0a25637489ee1ece248ff2cf70997) (http://flic.kr/p/LKXsKo)

I guess they mimic an older standard, although those were BGS-style:

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(^ Both above images courtesy of Michael Summa.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on January 30, 2017, 08:27:10 PM
I seem to recall those around maybe 1982 ish or so.  Were they around that late? 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 30, 2017, 09:19:01 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 30, 2017, 08:27:10 PM
I seem to recall those around maybe 1982 ish or so.  Were they around that late? 

I still saw them into the mid-1990s in the Miami area, and then a lot of them were replaced for high-intensity sheeting.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 30, 2017, 10:54:40 PM
Having lived in Coral Springs and watching Parkland build it for nearly two decades, I was happy to see Nob Hill Road was finally completed all the way to CR 827/Loxahatchee Road. The road now spans Broward County from top to bottom.

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Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on January 31, 2017, 09:44:59 AM
Quote from: emory on January 30, 2017, 10:54:40 PM
Having lived in Coral Springs and watching Parkland build it for nearly two decades, I was happy to see Nob Hill Road was finally completed all the way to CR 827/Loxahatchee Road. The road now spans Broward County from top to bottom.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FigiefRf.jpg&hash=4e810fa6fcbf07a8bd731b725554910ccb11436c)
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That certainly took forever! 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 31, 2017, 12:22:37 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on January 31, 2017, 09:44:59 AM
Quote from: emory on January 30, 2017, 10:54:40 PM
Having lived in Coral Springs and watching Parkland build it for nearly two decades, I was happy to see Nob Hill Road was finally completed all the way to CR 827/Loxahatchee Road. The road now spans Broward County from top to bottom.

That certainly took forever! 

I remember seeing maps around 1989-1990 which showed the eventual connection between the two. Saw University/Lox Road intersection was finished, and that also was decades in the making.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 31, 2017, 05:55:23 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 31, 2017, 12:22:37 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on January 31, 2017, 09:44:59 AM
Quote from: emory on January 30, 2017, 10:54:40 PM
Having lived in Coral Springs and watching Parkland build it for nearly two decades, I was happy to see Nob Hill Road was finally completed all the way to CR 827/Loxahatchee Road. The road now spans Broward County from top to bottom.

That certainly took forever! 

I remember seeing maps around 1989-1990 which showed the eventual connection between the two. Saw University/Lox Road intersection was finished, and that also was decades in the making.

And the plan was to connect Riverside Drive, University Drive and Nob Hill Road into Palm Beach County, but those plans were abandoned. Now they just have to connect Hillsboro Boulevard between University and the point where it hooks north to Lox Road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on February 08, 2017, 06:55:49 PM
Quote from: emory on January 30, 2017, 10:54:40 PM
Having lived in Coral Springs and watching Parkland build it for nearly two decades, I was happy to see Nob Hill Road was finally completed all the way to CR 827/Loxahatchee Road. The road now spans Broward County from top to bottom.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FigiefRf.jpg&hash=4e810fa6fcbf07a8bd731b725554910ccb11436c)
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So is Loxahatchee Rd actually CR 827.  I don't think I have ever seen a CR 827 sign ever.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on February 08, 2017, 07:30:10 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 08, 2017, 06:55:49 PM
Quote from: emory on January 30, 2017, 10:54:40 PM
Having lived in Coral Springs and watching Parkland build it for nearly two decades, I was happy to see Nob Hill Road was finally completed all the way to CR 827/Loxahatchee Road. The road now spans Broward County from top to bottom.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FigiefRf.jpg&hash=4e810fa6fcbf07a8bd731b725554910ccb11436c)
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So is Loxahatchee Rd actually CR 827.  I don't think I have ever seen a CR 827 sign ever.

Yes. It used to be SR 827. All maps label it as 827 including the Broward County road maintenance maps. The only time I've ever seen CR 827 shields were on US 441 at the eastern terminus but those have been yanked out.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on February 08, 2017, 08:42:01 PM
Quote from: emory on February 08, 2017, 07:30:10 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 08, 2017, 06:55:49 PM
So is Loxahatchee Rd actually CR 827.  I don't think I have ever seen a CR 827 sign ever.

Yes. It used to be SR 827. All maps label it as 827 including the Broward County road maintenance maps. The only time I've ever seen CR 827 shields were on US 441 at the eastern terminus but those have been yanked out.

Amazingly, someone named "childofgarbage984" managed to take a photo...a decent collection of Florida signs; possible MTR/forum member?

I never saw a reassurance shield on Lox Road.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3592/3433888632_479d957d37_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/6erzsq)
IM004771 (https://flic.kr/p/6erzsq) by childofgarbage984 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25467255@N04/), on Flickr

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on February 08, 2017, 09:49:26 PM
Quote from: formulanone link=topic=2017.msg2204787#msg2204787
Amazingly, someone named "childofgarbage984" managed to take a photo...a decent collection of Florida signs; possible MTR/forum member?

That's our own florida on the board here.  :nod:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on February 08, 2017, 10:15:11 PM
Quote from: Alex on February 08, 2017, 09:49:26 PM
Quote from: formulanone link=topic=2017.msg2204787#msg2204787
Amazingly, someone named "childofgarbage984" managed to take a photo...a decent collection of Florida signs; possible MTR/forum member?

That's our own florida on the board here.  :nod:

I suppose the username "florida" was taken at Flickr... :)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on February 11, 2017, 07:45:35 PM
Quote from: formulanone on February 08, 2017, 08:42:01 PM
Amazingly, someone named "childofgarbage984" managed to take a photo...a decent collection of Florida signs; possible MTR/forum member?

I never saw a reassurance shield on Lox Road.

Broward County doesn't really believe in county reassurance markers. That one I took on CR 811/Dixie Highway was the first I had ever seen.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on February 12, 2017, 10:44:07 PM
Quote from: formulanone on February 08, 2017, 10:15:11 PM
Quote from: Alex on February 08, 2017, 09:49:26 PM
Quote from: formulanone link=topic=2017.msg2204787#msg2204787
Amazingly, someone named "childofgarbage984" managed to take a photo...a decent collection of Florida signs; possible MTR/forum member?

That's our own florida on the board here.  :nod:

I suppose the username "florida" was taken at Flickr... :)

Hahaha, yes, that's me. Not sure if the name was taken.


Quote from: emory on February 11, 2017, 07:45:35 PM
Quote from: formulanone on February 08, 2017, 08:42:01 PM
Amazingly, someone named "childofgarbage984" managed to take a photo...a decent collection of Florida signs; possible MTR/forum member?

I never saw a reassurance shield on Lox Road.

Broward County doesn't really believe in county reassurance markers. That one I took on CR 811/Dixie Highway was the first I had ever seen.

That photo is from 2004. I visited family down in Fort Lauderdale for a week and went scouring and clinching during the day. Still kicking myself for NOT getting a picture of a cut-out SR 886 shield on a standalone BGS on US 1.

There are/were CR 814 shields on US 441. Don't remember seeing anything else. This was also back when Palm Beach signed its CRs on I-95, but you can still find them on Military Trail.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on February 13, 2017, 12:59:57 AM
Quote from: florida on February 12, 2017, 10:44:07 PM
There are/were CR 814 shields on US 441. Don't remember seeing anything else. This was also back when Palm Beach signed its CRs on I-95, but you can still find them on Military Trail.

FDOT will still sign county roads in Broward on its own roads. You can find those shields mostly on US 441 and University Drive/SR 817. Most notably there's an overhead gantry on University at Atlantic Blvd with CR 814 shields overhead.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on February 13, 2017, 01:42:05 AM
Some unisigns showing blue CR pentagon and state name i95 shield

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170213/4862f93a885edf972e07f26b347422ee.jpg)

LGMS428
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 16, 2017, 01:48:18 PM
At eastbound Exit 362, the on-ramp blends in with Roselle Street. I think Roselle Street should be a dead end street there, with only the sidewalk remaining in tact.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: tidecat on February 25, 2017, 07:10:30 PM
I noticed the references to Wet 'N Wild were removed from signage on SR 528 and on International Drive at the interchange sometime this afternoon.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on February 28, 2017, 05:42:25 PM
Quote from: emory on February 13, 2017, 12:59:57 AM
Quote from: florida on February 12, 2017, 10:44:07 PM
There are/were CR 814 shields on US 441. Don't remember seeing anything else. This was also back when Palm Beach signed its CRs on I-95, but you can still find them on Military Trail.

FDOT will still sign county roads in Broward on its own roads. You can find those shields mostly on US 441 and University Drive/SR 817. Most notably there's an overhead gantry on University at Atlantic Blvd with CR 814 shields overhead.

When was SR 814 downgraded to CR 814?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on February 28, 2017, 05:49:52 PM
Quote from: emory on January 31, 2017, 05:55:23 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 31, 2017, 12:22:37 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on January 31, 2017, 09:44:59 AM
Quote from: emory on January 30, 2017, 10:54:40 PM
Having lived in Coral Springs and watching Parkland build it for nearly two decades, I was happy to see Nob Hill Road was finally completed all the way to CR 827/Loxahatchee Road. The road now spans Broward County from top to bottom.

That certainly took forever! 

I remember seeing maps around 1989-1990 which showed the eventual connection between the two. Saw University/Lox Road intersection was finished, and that also was decades in the making.

And the plan was to connect Riverside Drive, University Drive and Nob Hill Road into Palm Beach County, but those plans were abandoned. Now they just have to connect Hillsboro Boulevard between University and the point where it hooks north to Lox Road.

What is the point of connecting Nob Hill Rd to Loxahatchee Rd?  Are there now plans to develop every square inch of property that is not in the conservation areas of Broward County?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on February 28, 2017, 07:31:01 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 28, 2017, 05:42:25 PM
Quote from: emory on February 13, 2017, 12:59:57 AM
Quote from: florida on February 12, 2017, 10:44:07 PM
There are/were CR 814 shields on US 441. Don't remember seeing anything else. This was also back when Palm Beach signed its CRs on I-95, but you can still find them on Military Trail.

FDOT will still sign county roads in Broward on its own roads. You can find those shields mostly on US 441 and University Drive/SR 817. Most notably there's an overhead gantry on University at Atlantic Blvd with CR 814 shields overhead.

When was SR 814 downgraded to CR 814?

I don't think Atlantic Boulevard was ever signed as SR 814 west of US 441, except for the exit signs on Sawgrass Expressway. Recently, the portion east of FL 849, east to A1A was transferred to county maintenance, which has a lot of traffic...seems to be an odd dropping of SR mileage. The straight-line diagram (http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/Straight-linesOnlineGIS/blank.aspx?docId=104397) removes the mileage, but the FDOT Key Sheet (http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/Straight-linesOnlineGIS/blank.aspx?docId=102951) keeps some of it.

And yet, SR 849 still exists. There's been a Turnpike exit at Atlantic Boulevard since 1994, so I don't get the purpose of keeping that on the system; maybe because it's within unincorporated Pompano Beach?

Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 28, 2017, 05:49:52 PM
What is the point of connecting Nob Hill Rd to Loxahatchee Rd?  Are there now plans to develop every square inch of property that is not in the conservation areas of Broward County?

That's been the goal pretty much for the last 50-60 years; there's not much available land in Broward left to develop. Lox Road will probably need some sort of "update", although it's a lot safer since the guardrail was installed about 20 years ago.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on March 05, 2017, 08:24:51 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 28, 2017, 05:49:52 PM
What is the point of connecting Nob Hill Rd to Loxahatchee Rd?  Are there now plans to develop every square inch of property that is not in the conservation areas of Broward County?

From the looks of it, yeah. That land was transferred from Palm Beach to Broward and they're developing the hell out of it.

Quote from: formulanone on February 28, 2017, 07:31:01 PM
I don't think Atlantic Boulevard was ever signed as SR 814 west of US 441, except for the exit signs on Sawgrass Expressway. Recently, the portion east of FL 849, east to A1A was transferred to county maintenance, which has a lot of traffic...seems to be an odd dropping of SR mileage. The straight-line diagram (http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/Straight-linesOnlineGIS/blank.aspx?docId=104397) removes the mileage, but the FDOT Key Sheet (http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/Straight-linesOnlineGIS/blank.aspx?docId=102951) keeps some of it.

And yet, SR 849 still exists. There's been a Turnpike exit at Atlantic Boulevard since 1994, so I don't get the purpose of keeping that on the system; maybe because it's within unincorporated Pompano Beach?

The straight-line diagram you're referencing only displays the "new" leg of SR 814. The rest of Atlantic Blvd is counted on the old SR 814 mileage sheet (http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/Straight-linesOnlineGIS/blank.aspx?docId=102667), which consists of current CR 912/SR 849/SR 814 east of 849. SR 814 east of Blanche Ely Ave was transferred to city maintenance. They're still keeping the SR 814 signs in place.

The Turnpike exit at Atlantic is a north exit/south entrance only interchange, while the one on SR 849/CR 912 is full access, so I'm more surprised to see Atlantic between SR 849 and US 441 still on the system when it feels like CR 912 should be on the SHS instead.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on March 12, 2017, 03:22:33 AM
Quote from: emory on March 05, 2017, 08:24:51 PM
The Turnpike exit at Atlantic is a north exit/south entrance only interchange, while the one on SR 849/CR 912 is full access, so I'm more surprised to see Atlantic between SR 849 and US 441 still on the system when it feels like CR 912 should be on the SHS instead.

It seems that FDOT decided Atlantic Blvd was going to be more of a direct link, with traffic exiting the Turnpike at Coconut Creek heading down to it, since Coconut Creek dies at US 441 and does too many jaunts eastward. We're lucky they kept SR 849 (and sign it!).

Side note: 814 originally used Hammondville, crossed 811, went south on 1st, then turned east on Atlantic on the 1946 map. Later maps show it using Dixie Highway to cross between 3rd and Atlantic, and possibly using 1st and 13th to connect to Atlantic further east of Pompano Beach.

And Hammondville used to be where Coconut Creek and US 441 meet.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on March 16, 2017, 08:02:21 PM
Quote from: emory on March 05, 2017, 08:24:51 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 28, 2017, 05:49:52 PM
What is the point of connecting Nob Hill Rd to Loxahatchee Rd?  Are there now plans to develop every square inch of property that is not in the conservation areas of Broward County?

From the looks of it, yeah. That land was transferred from Palm Beach to Broward and they're developing the hell out of it.

Quote from: formulanone on February 28, 2017, 07:31:01 PM
I don't think Atlantic Boulevard was ever signed as SR 814 west of US 441, except for the exit signs on Sawgrass Expressway. Recently, the portion east of FL 849, east to A1A was transferred to county maintenance, which has a lot of traffic...seems to be an odd dropping of SR mileage. The straight-line diagram (http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/Straight-linesOnlineGIS/blank.aspx?docId=104397) removes the mileage, but the FDOT Key Sheet (http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/Straight-linesOnlineGIS/blank.aspx?docId=102951) keeps some of it.

And yet, SR 849 still exists. There's been a Turnpike exit at Atlantic Boulevard since 1994, so I don't get the purpose of keeping that on the system; maybe because it's within unincorporated Pompano Beach?

The straight-line diagram you're referencing only displays the "new" leg of SR 814. The rest of Atlantic Blvd is counted on the old SR 814 mileage sheet (http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/Straight-linesOnlineGIS/blank.aspx?docId=102667), which consists of current CR 912/SR 849/SR 814 east of 849. SR 814 east of Blanche Ely Ave was transferred to city maintenance. They're still keeping the SR 814 signs in place.

The Turnpike exit at Atlantic is a north exit/south entrance only interchange, while the one on SR 849/CR 912 is full access, so I'm more surprised to see Atlantic between SR 849 and US 441 still on the system when it feels like CR 912 should be on the SHS instead.
When did the land swap between Broward and Palm Beach county occur?  Is CR 912 signed at all anywhere?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 17, 2017, 08:26:35 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on March 16, 2017, 08:02:21 PM
When did the land swap between Broward and Palm Beach county occur?  Is CR 912 signed at all anywhere?

2009, I think.

I don't think CR 912 was ever signed; I want to say they appeared on overheads at US 441, but that was 20-25 years ago. Couldn't have been posted for long, as it was formerly SR 814 until the early-1980s. (There was a brown US 441 sign there until 2004 or so.) The road is a bit narrow, anyhow.

In other useless news, SR 845 has an END sign at SR 808. Usually, END signs aren't very common in the South Florida area, due to relinquished sections and additions that would usually just confuse drivers. 

Edit: miscellaneous updates

- "TOLL" milemarkers on FL 869 up to Powerline Road. This includes the section from SR 849 845 to the Turnpike, which has stoplights along it.

- I-75 North bottlenecks from Turnpike/SR 44 to a point just north of Ocala. Spring Break traffic is no joke.

- Sample Road west of SR 817 is down to one lane in each direction due to median construction and what looks like utility repairs/modification.

- Spotted a blue US 90 shield in great shape and a few keys shields I'd never noticed before, but was driving with kids...no pics.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 20, 2017, 10:33:41 PM
Hey, I have to bring this up;

Whenever I take road trips from Florida to New York and back, I always cut through Ocala. And when I come back, I always go west on FL 40 which almost always occurs at night. And no matter what time of the year I make these road trips, there are always these huge parties in the Historic Downtown District, east of US 27-301-441. Does anyone else have any information on them?

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on March 22, 2017, 03:53:50 AM
Quote from: formulanone on March 17, 2017, 08:26:35 PM
- "TOLL" milemarkers on FL 869 up to Powerline Road. This includes the section from SR 849 to the Turnpike, which has stoplights along it.

Does FTE maintain that stretch of road in addition to the expressway? That's the situation with SR 924 in Dade County where MDX maintains a stretch of conventional highway on Gratigny Road from the last expressway interchange all the way up to SR 9.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on April 14, 2017, 10:33:15 PM
Request for routing advice:

This summer I want to go from the Auto Train station in Sanford to a location off Bonaventure Boulevard in Weston. Since I've already taken the I-95 and Turnpike routes, I was debating the following two options and I'm interested in any feedback anyone has:

(1) I-4 (or the 417 Beltway to I-4) down to US-27, then US-27 the whole way to the Weston area.

(2) Turnpike south to Yeehaw Junction, then exit and cut down to Lake Okeechobee, passing by on the east shore of the lake and ultimately connecting to US-27 south of there.

For the trip back to Sanford afterwards we'll either head straight up the Turnpike or we'll go a day early, take I-95, and visit my sister-in-law in Viera en route. Timeliness matters more on the way back due to the need to arrive promptly for the train home. Hence why I'm interested in the options as to the trip down since we'll have no deadline to meet. No clinches will be involved, as the only significant clinch I might manage on this trip would be the Homestead Extension to finish off Florida's Turnpike altogether, and that would only occur if we decide to go down to the Keys at some point.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: slorydn1 on April 15, 2017, 03:06:48 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 14, 2017, 10:33:15 PM
Request for routing advice:

This summer I want to go from the Auto Train station in Sanford to a location off Bonaventure Boulevard in Weston. Since I've already taken the I-95 and Turnpike routes, I was debating the following two options and I'm interested in any feedback anyone has:

(1) I-4 (or the 417 Beltway to I-4) down to US-27, then US-27 the whole way to the Weston area.

(2) Turnpike south to Yeehaw Junction, then exit and cut down to Lake Okeechobee, passing by on the east shore of the lake and ultimately connecting to US-27 south of there.

For the trip back to Sanford afterwards we'll either head straight up the Turnpike or we'll go a day early, take I-95, and visit my sister-in-law in Viera en route. Timeliness matters more on the way back due to the need to arrive promptly for the train home. Hence why I'm interested in the options as to the trip down since we'll have no deadline to meet. No clinches will be involved, as the only significant clinch I might manage on this trip would be the Homestead Extension to finish off Florida's Turnpike altogether, and that would only occur if we decide to go down to the Keys at some point.

Thanks in advance.

I am only familiar with the portion of US-27 from I-4 to FL-29 in Palmdale (family in Lehigh Acres) but if the rest of the way is anything like this part I'd say that would be the best bet, even if I-95 or the Tpke were an option for this particular expedition-this coming from a guy that favors freeways should mean something, lol.



Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 15, 2017, 08:26:47 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 14, 2017, 10:33:15 PM
Request for routing advice:

This summer I want to go from the Auto Train station in Sanford to a location off Bonaventure Boulevard in Weston. Since I've already taken the I-95 and Turnpike routes, I was debating the following two options and I'm interested in any feedback anyone has:

(1) I-4 (or the 417 Beltway to I-4) down to US-27, then US-27 the whole way to the Weston area.

(2) Turnpike south to Yeehaw Junction, then exit and cut down to Lake Okeechobee, passing by on the east shore of the lake and ultimately connecting to US-27 south of there.

For the trip back to Sanford afterwards we'll either head straight up the Turnpike or we'll go a day early, take I-95, and visit my sister-in-law in Viera en route. Timeliness matters more on the way back due to the need to arrive promptly for the train home. Hence why I'm interested in the options as to the trip down since we'll have no deadline to meet. No clinches will be involved, as the only significant clinch I might manage on this trip would be the Homestead Extension to finish off Florida's Turnpike altogether, and that would only occur if we decide to go down to the Keys at some point.

Thanks in advance.

U.S. 27 is significantly developed through the Haines City and Lake Wales vicinity. Several photo cops when I last took it in Haines City too. The highway is more rural south of the split with U.S. 98, and I like any of the routes around Lake Okeechobee. U.S. 27 is all four lanes down there and an interchange was recently added at Florida 80.

U.S. 441 is completely rural from its split with U.S. 192 south to the lake as well. It is only two lanes, but lightly traveled.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on April 15, 2017, 09:40:21 AM
Hmmm, thanks. That gives me the idea of maybe stopping in Viera on the way down, then cutting west on 192 to 441. Looks out of the way on the map, but the distance can't be all that far based on the distance across the Bee Line from I-95 en route to Sanford, a drive we've made many times.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 15, 2017, 11:05:22 AM
On US 441 south there is a handy bypass on FL 715 that gets you around the 45 MPH 90 degree turns that US 441/98 take approaching Belle Glade.  For whatever reason Palm Beach County Sheriff loves to patrol US 441/98 between Belle Glade and Pahokee but they never are on FL 715.  If you are taking US 441 south from US 192 at Holopaw you're in for one quiet drive, there is probably a decent chance you won't see another car until FL 60 at Yee Haw Junction.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on April 15, 2017, 04:17:41 PM
US 27 in Glades County is heavily-patrolled, don't go more than five over the speed limit. If you take US 441/98 across to Palm Beach, the twenty-mile section is also a long slog with not much scenery and a strict 65 mph limit. South Bay (where 27 meets SR 80, linking to US 441) has low speed limits, and the local constabulary enforces those 65-55-45-35 limits, so be aware.

FL 17 is a nice diversion from Haines City to Sebring/Avon City. It's two lanes but quite scenic. You'll wish you had brought your RX-7.

There's almost no services between Holopaw and Okeechobee on US 441, and I'd argue 27 is a tad more scenic (also, 27 has more rolling hills). US 27 south of Lake Okeechobee is quite desolate. Going around the big lake is worth the sights...but keep in mind that the lake is walled in by a tall earthen dike. You'll have to find a boat ramp or park to see the actual lake; Canal Point has a nice vista with a huge parking area.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on April 15, 2017, 07:12:34 PM
Quote from: formulanone on April 15, 2017, 04:17:41 PM
US 27 in Glades County is heavily-patrolled, don't go more than five over the speed limit. If you take US 441/98 across to Palm Beach, the twenty-mile section is also a long slog with not much scenery and a strict 65 mph limit. South Bay (where 27 meets SR 80, linking to US 441) has low speed limits, and the local constabulary enforces those 65-55-45-35 limits, so be aware.

It'll never happen but since US 98/SR 80 has so many interchanges between US 441 and I-95 I'd be delighted if they converted that whole stretch of road into an expressway.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on April 15, 2017, 07:57:12 PM
Quote from: emory on April 15, 2017, 07:12:34 PM
Quote from: formulanone on April 15, 2017, 04:17:41 PM
US 27 in Glades County is heavily-patrolled, don't go more than five over the speed limit. If you take US 441/98 across to Palm Beach, the twenty-mile section is also a long slog with not much scenery and a strict 65 mph limit. South Bay (where 27 meets SR 80, linking to US 441) has low speed limits, and the local constabulary enforces those 65-55-45-35 limits, so be aware.

It'll never happen but since US 98/SR 80 has so many interchanges between US 441 and I-95 I'd be delighted if they converted that whole stretch of road into an expressway.
So many stretches of U.S. highways in Florida that used to be almost freeway  are now choked up with ahopping centers and traffic lights.. If there was some access control back in the day....

LGMS428

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on April 15, 2017, 07:59:25 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 15, 2017, 09:40:21 AM
Hmmm, thanks. That gives me the idea of maybe stopping in Viera on the way down, then cutting west on 192 to 441. Looks out of the way on the map, but the distance can't be all that far based on the distance across the Bee Line from I-95 en route to Sanford, a drive we've made many times.
SR46 from sanford east to i95 isnt bad either but it is 2 lanes.. Mostly swamp land.

LGMS428

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on April 15, 2017, 09:06:22 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on April 15, 2017, 07:59:25 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 15, 2017, 09:40:21 AM
Hmmm, thanks. That gives me the idea of maybe stopping in Viera on the way down, then cutting west on 192 to 441. Looks out of the way on the map, but the distance can't be all that far based on the distance across the Bee Line from I-95 en route to Sanford, a drive we've made many times.
SR46 from sanford east to i95 isnt bad either but it is 2 lanes.. Mostly swamp land.

LGMS428



I keep thinking about going that way sometime.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 15, 2017, 10:27:32 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on April 15, 2017, 07:57:12 PM
Quote from: emory on April 15, 2017, 07:12:34 PM
Quote from: formulanone on April 15, 2017, 04:17:41 PM
US 27 in Glades County is heavily-patrolled, don't go more than five over the speed limit. If you take US 441/98 across to Palm Beach, the twenty-mile section is also a long slog with not much scenery and a strict 65 mph limit. South Bay (where 27 meets SR 80, linking to US 441) has low speed limits, and the local constabulary enforces those 65-55-45-35 limits, so be aware.

It'll never happen but since US 98/SR 80 has so many interchanges between US 441 and I-95 I'd be delighted if they converted that whole stretch of road into an expressway.
So many stretches of U.S. highways in Florida that used to be almost freeway  are now choked up with ahopping centers and traffic lights.. If there was some access control back in the day....

LGMS428

Last trip down there the sprawl had spread further west of US 98, past Lion Country Safari.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 16, 2017, 01:27:57 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 15, 2017, 11:05:22 AM
On US 441 south there is a handy bypass on FL 715 that gets you around the 45 MPH 90 degree turns that US 441/98 take approaching Belle Glade.  For whatever reason Palm Beach County Sheriff loves to patrol US 441/98 between Belle Glade and Pahokee but they never are on FL 715.  If you are taking US 441 south from US 192 at Holopaw you're in for one quiet drive, there is probably a decent chance you won't see another car until FL 60 at Yee Haw Junction.
I do not think its patrolled either.  My brother in law used to be a Deputy in Osceola County.  He says that when he was on the force many years ago, cops including FHP did not patrol that road from Holopaw to Yeehaw at all.  SR 60 yes!  Now this is a few years ago so they might of changed tactics but then again its still quite lonely, so I doubt a speed trap would work well as SR 60, with many more cars and lots of semis all going way over the limit.

I doubt anytime soon we will see development in Central and Southern Osceola County.  If anything the US 192 corridor west of Holopaw to Kissimmee is where its at and will be.  The section of the FL Turnpike from St. Cloud to Yeehaw will still have that long exit less gap for years to come except for the Osceola Beltway which may not get built until 2025 or so, but that will still be a long haul south of its proposed interchange with the Turnpike. 

We have some spots of Florida still protected from bureaucrats and developers to enjoy as many other areas like SR 54 in Pasco, thanks to Dick Scott have lost its rural character as well as SR 50 in Lake east of US 27 due to incentives and campaigning out of state to get New York and New Jersey to all move down here and bring more cars and congestion to what is left of rural areas.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on April 17, 2017, 02:29:30 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on April 15, 2017, 07:57:12 PM
Quote from: emory on April 15, 2017, 07:12:34 PM
Quote from: formulanone on April 15, 2017, 04:17:41 PM
US 27 in Glades County is heavily-patrolled, don't go more than five over the speed limit. If you take US 441/98 across to Palm Beach, the twenty-mile section is also a long slog with not much scenery and a strict 65 mph limit. South Bay (where 27 meets SR 80, linking to US 441) has low speed limits, and the local constabulary enforces those 65-55-45-35 limits, so be aware.

It'll never happen but since US 98/SR 80 has so many interchanges between US 441 and I-95 I'd be delighted if they converted that whole stretch of road into an expressway.
So many stretches of U.S. highways in Florida that used to be almost freeway  are now choked up with shopping centers and traffic lights.. If there was some access control back in the day....

LGMS428

They just figure people who want controlled access will use the freeways, except in Palm Beach County there is no east-west freeway connecting the 441 corridor to the I-95 corridor. All expressway plans got canceled, and instead FDOT went halvsies on US 98 converting all major intersections into interchanges, but leaving the remaining traffic lights intact and calling it a day.

Likewise the SR 681 connector near Nokomis was an expressway that linked US 41 to I-75, but in 2015 they began developing on it adding shopping plazas and now the road has two traffic light intersections on it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 17, 2017, 07:09:19 AM
Developers ruined Florida.   It was okay in the 90's but in the 2000's when it began to escalate and things changed so fast, we never got to catch up and match the highways with the overall added traffic.

We have fallen so far behind we could never catch up now.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 17, 2017, 09:15:08 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 17, 2017, 07:09:19 AM
Developers ruined Florida.   It was okay in the 90's but in the 2000's when it began to escalate and things changed so fast, we never got to catch up and match the highways with the overall added traffic.

We have fallen so far behind we could never catch up now.

Ironic sentiment, I always thought it was among the best state highway systems on the east coast when I lived there...and that was in the last decade.  There was a couple massive oversights like an outer loop for Tampa which caused so much traffic on roads like FL 589 but as a whole the traffic never seemed near the nightmare level to what I experienced working in Los Angeles and San Diego.  With Miami it always seemed like traffic was dictated by the narrow geographic constraints (I-75 not being completed to I-95 not withstanding) of the terrain not allowing for outward road development out in the Everglades.  I-4 only seemed like an issue in Orlando because people would pile onto it because they didn't want to pay use the tollways that were almost always clear....the street grid is absolutely horrible though.  Jacksonville seems to be constantly improving with I-295 helping greatly and now FL 9B/I-795.   Rural highways almost always were excellent compared to what you'd see in other states; US 19 and US 27 come to mind immediately as full expressways.  Granted I was also spending a substantial amount of time on US 1 in the Keys....that will teach you patience whether you want to learn it or not.

Quote from: roadman65 on April 16, 2017, 01:27:57 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 15, 2017, 11:05:22 AM
On US 441 south there is a handy bypass on FL 715 that gets you around the 45 MPH 90 degree turns that US 441/98 take approaching Belle Glade.  For whatever reason Palm Beach County Sheriff loves to patrol US 441/98 between Belle Glade and Pahokee but they never are on FL 715.  If you are taking US 441 south from US 192 at Holopaw you're in for one quiet drive, there is probably a decent chance you won't see another car until FL 60 at Yee Haw Junction.
I do not think its patrolled either.  My brother in law used to be a Deputy in Osceola County.  He says that when he was on the force many years ago, cops including FHP did not patrol that road from Holopaw to Yeehaw at all.  SR 60 yes!  Now this is a few years ago so they might of changed tactics but then again its still quite lonely, so I doubt a speed trap would work well as SR 60, with many more cars and lots of semis all going way over the limit.

I doubt anytime soon we will see development in Central and Southern Osceola County.  If anything the US 192 corridor west of Holopaw to Kissimmee is where its at and will be.  The section of the FL Turnpike from St. Cloud to Yeehaw will still have that long exit less gap for years to come except for the Osceola Beltway which may not get built until 2025 or so, but that will still be a long haul south of its proposed interchange with the Turnpike. 

We have some spots of Florida still protected from bureaucrats and developers to enjoy as many other areas like SR 54 in Pasco, thanks to Dick Scott have lost its rural character as well as SR 50 in Lake east of US 27 due to incentives and campaigning out of state to get New York and New Jersey to all move down here and bring more cars and congestion to what is left of rural areas.

The biggest issue I always ran into with FL 50 was between the Turnpike west to FL 33 through Clermont  That doesn't so much backup but rather had a ton of traffic lights due to all the little outlets in Clermont.  Usually I would just take the Turnpike up to US 27 and cut through Sumter County to get to CR 48 since it was roughly the same travel time if I was heading to somewhere like Brooksville or Spring Hill...jumping down FL 19 back to 50 wasn't bad either.  FL 54 is roughly in the corridor I described above where Tampa could use an outer beltway, that gets pretty nasty at junction with US 41.  Although using CR 54, US 98, Rockledge Road, and Dean Still Road is a handy shortcut to US 27 to get past the urban slog through Lakeland.

I don't see the urban sprawl really extending southward to much on the Turnpike like you said.  Most of that land on US 441 between Holopaw and Yeehaw Junction is well past its prime due to the railroads pulling out a long time ago.  Really those ranchers aren't too interested in giving up land for developers nor is there enough urban development in any direction to suggest growth any time soon.  I've never once seen FHP or County Sheriff on US 441 or even CR 523 for that matter...always made for a fun and quiet drive home to Orlando...just a shame that CR 15 has gotten so built up lately though.  60 needed help at least to the Turnpike, it dropped out from an expressway way too soon east out of Lake Wales when I lived there.  The traffic was always heavy because it was the most direct route to the Turnpike for Tampa and Lakeland folks. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 17, 2017, 10:13:57 PM
With CR 15, its all developed from Orlando to St. Cloud.  In fact the Orlando City Limits now extends to the Osceola County Line thanks to Lake Nona and its annexing into Orlando.  The Wawa on the corner of Boggy Creek and CR 15 is in Orlando proper despite it being  several miles from Downtown and across the street from Osceola County.  Yes its no longer that two lane rural road and try to find Narcoossee now among the developments.

Yes FL 60 needs to be six lanes from the Turnpike to near Indian Lake Estates making it full  multi lane highway from coast to coast.  They did install a traffic light at US 441 and SR 60 replacing the four way stop flashers due to traffic volume increases along the state designation.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 17, 2017, 10:23:53 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 17, 2017, 10:13:57 PM
With CR 15, its all developed from Orlando to St. Cloud.  In fact the Orlando City Limits now extends to the Osceola County Line thanks to Lake Nona and its annexing into Orlando.  The Wawa on the corner of Boggy Creek and CR 15 is in Orlando proper despite it being  several miles from Downtown and across the street from Osceola County.  Yes its no longer that two lane rural road and try to find Narcoossee now among the developments.

Yes FL 60 needs to be six lanes from the Turnpike to near Indian Lake Estates making it full  multi lane highway from coast to coast.  They did install a traffic light at US 441 and SR 60 replacing the four way stop flashers due to traffic volume increases along the state designation.

They put a WaWa at Boggy Creek Road?...geeze those things were popping all over when I left the city.  I was actually looking at maybe buying a home out on CR 15 before I was transferred out west, the area is super nice but I do miss the old days when it was basically just a back road out of the city.  Before I left FDOT was starting to work on 60 at Yee Haw Junction, good to hear it got fixed up.

Speaking of Narcoossee I managed to snag some photos before the sprawl wiped out any remains that it was once a rural community in the middle of nowhere:

https://flic.kr/s/aHskQbdu9V

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/675/33056024612_0226cf9055_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Sn3LsQ)Z2 (https://flic.kr/p/Sn3LsQ) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 18, 2017, 10:18:05 AM
Wawas are everywhere!  Even in Lakeland and Tampa, they have sprouted. 

Anyway, nice photo.  Yes its all blended in with the sprawl now if its still there. Pretty soon the sprawl will consume the eastern part of Orange County as that Inovation Way is soon to be developed.  Wegfield to the east is already there so once other sprawl enters the area the many not yet purchased lots along Dallas Boulevard and parallel Bancroft Boulevard will soon be bought.

It surprises me that International Corporate Park did not blossom 30 years ago when it was first built and remained empty for decades as well as Wegfield only taking off in the FL 520 area with the rest of it sparsely developed that also came about in the 80's. 

As far as the other side of FL 528, Lockeed Martin owns a great deal of land to south of it, hence the gate at Exit 24 on the dirt road where Dallas Boulevard ends.  A few miles south on that dirt road (seen in aerials) is a laser testing facility that looks like a runway, but ultra wide at one end and narrow at the other.  I was told be a former employee of them that its not a runway but to test their technology out, so I guess the narrow end is where the laser device is and the wave it back and forth is why the pavement pans outward as it moves away from the start of it.  Anyway, I doubt if they will sell out as the government is paying out a lot to them to invent new warfare material, so that part of Orange County will not fall to rich corporations and real estate people.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 18, 2017, 10:30:22 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 18, 2017, 10:18:05 AM
Wawas are everywhere!  Even in Lakeland and Tampa, they have sprouted. 

Anyway, nice photo.  Yes its all blended in with the sprawl now if its still there. Pretty soon the sprawl will consume the eastern part of Orange County as that Inovation Way is soon to be developed.  Wegfield to the east is already there so once other sprawl enters the area the many not yet purchased lots along Dallas Boulevard and parallel Bancroft Boulevard will soon be bought.

It surprises me that International Corporate Park did not blossom 30 years ago when it was first built and remained empty for decades as well as Wegfield only taking off in the FL 520 area with the rest of it sparsely developed that also came about in the 80's. 

As far as the other side of FL 528, Lockeed Martin owns a great deal of land to south of it, hence the gate at Exit 24 on the dirt road where Dallas Boulevard ends.  A few miles south on that dirt road (seen in aerials) is a laser testing facility that looks like a runway, but ultra wide at one end and narrow at the other.  I was told be a former employee of them that its not a runway but to test their technology out, so I guess the narrow end is where the laser device is and the wave it back and forth is why the pavement pans outward as it moves away from the start of it.

Are those two cheeseball gas stations with the $5 dollar gas still in business next to OIA with the Wawa at Lee Vista?  I saw that Innovation Way finally got connected to 528 a couple months back, that should drive a ton of the growth east like you said....especially if Lee Vista gets extended that way. 

I actually went out that way a couple times to check out Old Florida 13.  South of 528 there was a sign saying "private property" which I'm assuming is from Lockeed, I never really bothered to see if there was another sign like it at Nova Road.  There is a cut off stub of 13 from the northern end of Dallas Blvd in Wedgefield over a canal:

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.5177799,-81.0950923,3a,75y,10.78h,68.39t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sTgKpCKBpt3MI94EHPRLJ4w!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DTgKpCKBpt3MI94EHPRLJ4w%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D61.735073%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Not that any of that is a big deal...I always thought it was kind of neat that there was once more grand plans for 13 then really ever became a reality.  I bet a north/south state road that far east of the city would be mighty handy from 528 north 50/520 or even 46 in twenty so years in the future.

Anyways, I'm heading back out that way in about three weeks.  I'm actually looking forward to seeing how much things have actually changed through the years. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 24, 2017, 07:01:32 AM
I was just noticing how the fact several years ago the former OOCEA took measures in Orange County to spread the tolls out to please future development residents and users who will someday enter FL 528 E Bound at International Corporate Park Blvd to go east.  Before there was one plaza at FL 417 that had a large toll due to previous consolidation when the removed the FL 520 mainline plaza in eastern Orange County several years before, which made this mainline plaza the eastern most plaza on the expressway.  Then OOCEA decided to create urban like toll conditions so they cut the 417 mainline in half and levee the difference on a new plaza near Dallas Blvd further east allowing the future Wegfield and International Corporate Park residents to have urban like tolls instead of paying one high toll in one place.

Well last year the same authority under a new name which is the CFX, decided to consolidate their airport toll plaza into the Florida Turnpike Beeline West Mainline.  Basically the opposite of what they did further east.  Not only is it hypocritical to say the least as they are all for trying to make the road more easier to travel when the boom hits eastern Orange County by charging less money due to the new urban style short hop plaza collection, yet here where its urban now they are making the driver pay a high stiff rate in one spot.

Now I am not disputing the recent airport and Beeline West consolidation, even though I work that one plaza where I hear tourists and locals bitch about paying a $2.25 toll and how its unfair to go from one exit to another and pay a longer distance toll.  Its all the same though as you were paying that before just at two places and now at one.  Plus if you go from anywhere west of the Beeline West to Exits 8 and 9 where you would be paying $1.25 more, Sunpass is issuing rebates via electronic gantry at Exit 8 so you are not paying the full toll.  So basically its an improvement even though some cash customers have to pay more, but overall enough to warrant that sacrifice.

I am though in awe that the same figure heads who decided consolidation in one area did the exact opposite in another area of the same roadway.  Also the spread out of the 417 mainline on 528 was done after that plaza was combined with the old defunct FL 520 plaza several years before.  So its hard to tell what CFX is really standing for as one minute they think the least amount of stops is great for the motoring public, and then the next minute their for making more stops to charge the same as they believe its for the best, and now once again they are for consolidating again because one stop paying is best.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on April 24, 2017, 12:10:25 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 24, 2017, 07:01:32 AM
I was just noticing how the fact several years ago the former OOCEA took measures in Orange County to spread the tolls out to please future development residents and users who will someday enter FL 528 E Bound at International Corporate Park Blvd to go east.  Before there was one plaza at FL 417 that had a large toll due to previous consolidation when the removed the FL 520 mainline plaza in eastern Orange County several years before, which made this mainline plaza the eastern most plaza on the expressway.  Then OOCEA decided to create urban like toll conditions so they cut the 417 mainline in half and levee the difference on a new plaza near Dallas Blvd further east allowing the future Wegfield and International Corporate Park residents to have urban like tolls instead of paying one high toll in one place.

Well last year the same authority under a new name which is the CFX, decided to consolidate their airport toll plaza into the Florida Turnpike Beeline West Mainline.  Basically the opposite of what they did further east.  Not only is it hypocritical to say the least as they are all for trying to make the road more easier to travel when the boom hits eastern Orange County by charging less money due to the new urban style short hop plaza collection, yet here where its urban now they are making the driver pay a high stiff rate in one spot.

Now I am not disputing the recent airport and Beeline West consolidation, even though I work that one plaza where I hear tourists and locals bitch about paying a $2.25 toll and how its unfair to go from one exit to another and pay a longer distance toll.  Its all the same though as you were paying that before just at two places and now at one.  Plus if you go from anywhere west of the Beeline West to Exits 8 and 9 where you would be paying $1.25 more, Sunpass is issuing rebates via electronic gantry at Exit 8 so you are not paying the full toll.  So basically its an improvement even though some cash customers have to pay more, but overall enough to warrant that sacrifice.

I am though in awe that the same figure heads who decided consolidation in one area did the exact opposite in another area of the same roadway.  Also the spread out of the 417 mainline on 528 was done after that plaza was combined with the old defunct FL 520 plaza several years before.  So its hard to tell what CFX is really standing for as one minute they think the least amount of stops is great for the motoring public, and then the next minute their for making more stops to charge the same as they believe its for the best, and now once again they are for consolidating again because one stop paying is best.

Here's the project PDF for those that don't know what roadman65's talking about:

https://www.cfxway.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/SR-528-Airport-Plaza-Demo-Project-Fact-Sheet-and-Large-Map-FINAL.pdf

Well, they are slapping toll gates at Sand Lake/Boggy Creek and Conway, so they figure it's a trade off. And I'm still waiting for the eastbound on/westbound off they said they'd do at Dallas Blvd. I won't be holding my breath for it, and don't get me started on the 408 extension...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 25, 2017, 07:43:12 AM
The one's at Boggy Creek gets used as a mainline.  I was surprised how many people come to the real mainline plaza crying about the lack of attendants at the last toll plaza.  As CFX moved the tolls to the ramps but did not take their hired collectors with em.   Most tourists nowadays think that everybody takes cards and leaves home without even a dime in their pockets and of course I am the toll collector at that mainline, and see all the looks at me cause FDOT won't accept credit or debit cards.  Of course they will learn their lesson when they get their bill from the rental company as the service fees that some car rentals charge is astronomical.  Anyway, that whole ignorance thing is another story.

Yes the airport plaza was closed January 31, 2016 at 10:00 PM.  So you pay the same going from the Airport to I Drive or any place in between.  Just you pay once and if you get off at Conway or Sandlake you now pay at an automated ramp instead of the mainline.   Heck several years earlier it was worse.  You had three mainline plazas near the airport.  There used to be one at Narcoosee Road which is just east of the airport so you would stop at MP 6 (the Beeline West, the one I work at), the Airport just west of the Airport/436 exit, and then just east of Exit 13. 

Instead of charging an extra quarter at the BLW in 1982 when the airport plaza opened as a result of the freeway upgrade from Exits 8 to 11, they put a third plaza in between two already close together tolls.  Plus those who drove FL 528 for free for ages now got slapped with a 25 cents toll in addition.   My dad as he drove it could not believe that the State of Florida would allow three plazas so close that it would prohibit comfortable highway speeds.  He did not mind the levees, but the constant stopping.  The Narcoosee toll eventually became the 417 mainline as the then OOCEA thought those leaving the airport should be able to access FL 417 for free back in 1989.

Now there are three mainline plazas altogether.  One two and a quarter, and two others that are a buck.  So the overall long distance trip from I-4 to Port Canveral is $3.25 that used to be collected 4 times is now 3.  Previously it was 3 up until the early naughts when the Dallas mainline was not there and it was BLW, Airport, and 417.

I believe the next step is all cashless as the latest Florida road map published states that is long term goal.  The plaza I work will be the last, according to my manager it should be gone by 2021. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jordanes on April 30, 2017, 12:16:30 PM
roadman65, what would you do if someone pulled up to your toll plaza and said "all I have is pennies to pay the toll?"

Serious question...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on April 30, 2017, 05:13:55 PM
^^^ Pulls out his M-16 with grenade launcher and says "say hello to my little friend!"  :poke: :-D :biggrin:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 30, 2017, 10:21:01 PM
Quote from: Jordanes on April 30, 2017, 12:16:30 PM
roadman65, what would you do if someone pulled up to your toll plaza and said "all I have is pennies to pay the toll?"

Serious question...
Count them like before. :)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on May 01, 2017, 04:54:46 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 30, 2017, 10:21:01 PM
Quote from: Jordanes on April 30, 2017, 12:16:30 PM
roadman65, what would you do if someone pulled up to your toll plaza and said "all I have is pennies to pay the toll?"

Serious question...
Count them like before. :)

If it's a $10 barrier toll, you should be able to place Jersey Barriers in front of and behind the vehicle in question while you count.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: J N Winkler on May 01, 2017, 11:40:52 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 25, 2017, 07:43:12 AMI believe the next step is all cashless as the latest Florida road map published states that is long term goal.  The plaza I work will be the last, according to my manager it should be gone by 2021.

I picked up a copy of the same map when I stopped at the I-10 welcome center just west of Pensacola about a month ago.  I believe it had already been mentioned at least once on this forum, but I was still a little taken aback to see in person that Florida is now using vending machines to sell transponders at welcome centers--I had my choice of a SunPass Mini (cheap, sticks to the windshield) or a hard-case SunPass (uses suction cups, transferable from vehicle to vehicle).  Smartphone activation was also being heavily promoted.

The tourist map does not actually have a complete list of Florida toll facilities.  Besides the infrastructure maintained by Florida DOT (Turnpike Enterprise) and by the regional toll authorities (CFX, MDX, THEA and so on), there are some small county-level toll agencies that are trying to go cashless.  If my plan to visit Gulf Islands National Seashore had not been defeated by the heavy rainstorm that pounded the Deep South that week, my routing for that trip would have been influenced by a desire to cross the CR 399 Bob Sikes Bridge in the toll-free (northbound) direction.  It is owned by the Escambia County toll authority, which set off a controversy about a year ago when it tried to go from not accepting SunPass at the bridge to not accepting cash.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on May 02, 2017, 02:53:03 AM
During my last trip down south I was on Monroe County Road 905A and when it was too late I realized its toll booth was cash only but I was short 50 cents, so I pulled over and went to a nearby restaurant to see if I could get change. Unfortunately they were closed for maintenance, so the booth operator was nice enough to let me pass anyway.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 02, 2017, 07:12:07 AM
Quote from: emory on May 02, 2017, 02:53:03 AM
During my last trip down south I was on Monroe County Road 905A and when it was too late I realized its toll booth was cash only but I was short 50 cents, so I pulled over and went to a nearby restaurant to see if I could get change. Unfortunately they were closed for maintenance, so the booth operator was nice enough to let me pass anyway.

Usually they let you just to go by since so many people do that.  Sometimes Card Sound Road is a nice quiet detour as opposed to taking the 18 Mile Stretch on US 1 with all those people rushing get to the Keys or the Mainland.  I'm going to check it out myself here in a couple weeks since I hear it was recently repaved.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 02, 2017, 08:00:19 AM
The problem is if you have a rental car and you do not have money.  The rental cars charge their own fee for contracting a third party mediator to handle unpaid tolls between them and you.  Even one user on here got socked for 23 bucks on the Golden Gate Bridge as that is completely cash less charging normal users 7 bucks for autos.  Meanwhile the rental company tacked on the 16 dollars for the handling of it so they got more than CalTRANS got for crossing an important landmark that millions flock to each year to see.

I as a toll collector I do not mind letting people go or handing out the pay later slips, but it annoys me when they say "I did not know its a toll road" when FDOT signs all toll roads (except the Turnpike) with the TOLL banner on the route shields.  As a motorist it is our job to read road signs, and if we are strangers to the area we would be reading them more to orient ourselves better.

I also hate when people actually ask me how to differentiate a ramp exit toll from a mainline toll.  Some toll road users exit WB FL 528 at Exit 8 for SR 482 and pay the ramp toll and re-enter the toll road as that exit has an easy return from a frontage road.   Some say Exit 8 signs are confusing to tourists, but they are not and in fact straight forward.  But, to many they find it difficult and it makes it awkward for me to answer that question without creating a wildfire between us.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 02, 2017, 05:17:40 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 02, 2017, 08:00:19 AM
The problem is if you have a rental car and you do not have money.  The rental cars charge their own fee for contracting a third party mediator to handle unpaid tolls between them and you.  Even one user on here got socked for 23 bucks on the Golden Gate Bridge as that is completely cash less charging normal users 7 bucks for autos.  Meanwhile the rental company tacked on the 16 dollars for the handling of it so they got more than CalTRANS got for crossing an important landmark that millions flock to each year to see.

I as a toll collector I do not mind letting people go or handing out the pay later slips, but it annoys me when they say "I did not know its a toll road" when FDOT signs all toll roads (except the Turnpike) with the TOLL banner on the route shields.  As a motorist it is our job to read road signs, and if we are strangers to the area we would be reading them more to orient ourselves better.

I also hate when people actually ask me how to differentiate a ramp exit toll from a mainline toll.  Some toll road users exit WB FL 528 at Exit 8 for SR 482 and pay the ramp toll and re-enter the toll road as that exit has an easy return from a frontage road.   Some say Exit 8 signs are confusing to tourists, but they are not and in fact straight forward.  But, to many they find it difficult and it makes it awkward for me to answer that question without creating a wildfire between us.

FDOT/FTE is signing the Turnpike with TOLL banners now. Any new signs that go up have a big yellow "TOLL" banner on top, above the regular green Turnpike sign.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 02, 2017, 07:10:54 PM
They have been collecting toll on the Florida's Turnpike since the 50s and now they need to put a TOLL banner up?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on May 03, 2017, 12:16:01 AM
Quote from: realjd on May 02, 2017, 05:17:40 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 02, 2017, 08:00:19 AM
The problem is if you have a rental car and you do not have money.  The rental cars charge their own fee for contracting a third party mediator to handle unpaid tolls between them and you.  Even one user on here got socked for 23 bucks on the Golden Gate Bridge as that is completely cash less charging normal users 7 bucks for autos.  Meanwhile the rental company tacked on the 16 dollars for the handling of it so they got more than CalTRANS got for crossing an important landmark that millions flock to each year to see.

I as a toll collector I do not mind letting people go or handing out the pay later slips, but it annoys me when they say "I did not know its a toll road" when FDOT signs all toll roads (except the Turnpike) with the TOLL banner on the route shields.  As a motorist it is our job to read road signs, and if we are strangers to the area we would be reading them more to orient ourselves better.

I also hate when people actually ask me how to differentiate a ramp exit toll from a mainline toll.  Some toll road users exit WB FL 528 at Exit 8 for SR 482 and pay the ramp toll and re-enter the toll road as that exit has an easy return from a frontage road.   Some say Exit 8 signs are confusing to tourists, but they are not and in fact straight forward.  But, to many they find it difficult and it makes it awkward for me to answer that question without creating a wildfire between us.

FDOT/FTE is signing the Turnpike with TOLL banners now. Any new signs that go up have a big yellow "TOLL" banner on top, above the regular green Turnpike sign.
Why not TOLL 91 signs? All the other toll roads do... Also extend 91over HEFT and jyst get rid of 821 so miles match

LGMS428

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on May 03, 2017, 12:45:13 AM
Quote from Roadman65:
Quote"I did not know its a toll road" when FDOT signs all toll roads (except the Turnpike) with the TOLL banner on the route shields.

They are starting to add them:

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6432887,-81.8109528,3a,37.5y,129.44h,84.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sd4t_hkfCKT3sHIJDHqyPWQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6432887,-81.8109528,3a,37.5y,129.44h,84.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sd4t_hkfCKT3sHIJDHqyPWQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.5515486,-81.5499904,3a,18.1y,281.76h,93.07t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1skFTJe8rqETthSYD4aCadzA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DkFTJe8rqETthSYD4aCadzA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D290.39737%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.5515486,-81.5499904,3a,18.1y,281.76h,93.07t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1skFTJe8rqETthSYD4aCadzA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DkFTJe8rqETthSYD4aCadzA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D290.39737%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on May 03, 2017, 08:48:14 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on May 03, 2017, 12:16:01 AM
Quote from: realjd on May 02, 2017, 05:17:40 PM
FDOT/FTE is signing the Turnpike with TOLL banners now. Any new signs that go up have a big yellow "TOLL" banner on top, above the regular green Turnpike sign.
Why not TOLL 91 signs? All the other toll roads do... Also extend 91over HEFT and jyst get rid of 821 so miles match

There's the four-mile spur of the original Turnpike (exits 4X though 0X) which would be left out.

FL 91 and "FL 891", so the grid fits.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Henry on May 03, 2017, 09:47:55 AM
Talk about redundancy! I've always taken turnpikes to be toll roads, so why would it need a banner to note it as such?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: hotdogPi on May 03, 2017, 10:10:00 AM
Quote from: Henry on May 03, 2017, 09:47:55 AM
Talk about redundancy! I've always taken turnpikes to be toll roads, so why would it need a banner to note it as such?

There are several roads with "turnpike" in their name that are not toll roads, like Chester Turnpike in New Hampshire and Old Union Turnpike in Massachusetts (although both of these are surface roads). There is even a road called "Toll Rd" in Salisbury, MA that is free!

Of those that are toll roads, some have free segments, like the Everett Turnpike in New Hampshire.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 05, 2017, 10:02:18 PM
As a TOLL collector the banners could be everywhere like they are leaving the airport in Orlando for both FL 417 and 528, yet many people still get on both roads with no cash and when they show up at the booths they use the "Oh I did not know this was a toll road, and being I never carry cash I can't pay this toll."   Even with the LAST EXIT BEFORE TOLL ROAD at Exit 4 going EB on the overhead sign they still drive under it, not reading it and show up dumbfounded at the plaza not able to pay the toll.  One guy said to me that "Oh I did not know it was a toll road" but paid anyway and said he was lucky to have the nine quarters he needed to pay it, but I told him about the sign and found it hard to believe that he missed it.  He called me a "Rude Fuck" and pulled into the plaza and waited ten minutes to see my supervisor to try to report me.  I was far from rude and I was very polite but he must of been bipolar as he talked calmly as I have used far harsh tones on people I kid with.  In fact I have had people really pissed at me who never pulled off to the plaza administration building to report me before and  to some I was indeed rude to before, but this guy was not mad when he made his statement.  The fact I was in disbelief had him conclude I was rude.

Anyway, if motorists cannot read EXIT ONLY on overhead signs where lanes default to ramps, as many do that last minute lane change at the diverge they sure as hell ain't going to read a black on yellow toll banner.  Heck they cannot even read the overhead signs for Disney World which directs them onto FL 417 from the terminals as they still need to plug that into their GPS or else they will not find it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on May 07, 2017, 06:38:45 PM
Quote from: formulanone on May 03, 2017, 08:48:14 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on May 03, 2017, 12:16:01 AM
Quote from: realjd on May 02, 2017, 05:17:40 PM
FDOT/FTE is signing the Turnpike with TOLL banners now. Any new signs that go up have a big yellow "TOLL" banner on top, above the regular green Turnpike sign.
Why not TOLL 91 signs? All the other toll roads do... Also extend 91over HEFT and jyst get rid of 821 so miles match

There's the four-mile spur of the original Turnpike (exits 4X though 0X) which would be left out.

FL 91 and "FL 891", so the grid fits.

Or just 91A for the original mainline spur. Hey, if the interstates can do it....
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 07, 2017, 06:44:15 PM
Quote from: emory on May 07, 2017, 06:38:45 PM
Quote from: formulanone on May 03, 2017, 08:48:14 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on May 03, 2017, 12:16:01 AM
Quote from: realjd on May 02, 2017, 05:17:40 PM
FDOT/FTE is signing the Turnpike with TOLL banners now. Any new signs that go up have a big yellow "TOLL" banner on top, above the regular green Turnpike sign.
Why not TOLL 91 signs? All the other toll roads do... Also extend 91over HEFT and jyst get rid of 821 so miles match

There's the four-mile spur of the original Turnpike (exits 4X though 0X) which would be left out.

FL 91 and "FL 891", so the grid fits.

Or just 91A for the original mainline spur. Hey, if the interstates can do it....

Suffix alternate routes are actually a thing with Florida State Roads.  I used to frequent FL 50A as an example I can throw out off the top of my head. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on May 09, 2017, 04:01:47 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 07, 2017, 06:44:15 PM
Suffix alternate routes are actually a thing with Florida State Roads.  I used to frequent FL 50A as an example I can throw out off the top of my head.

Oh I'm aware. I'm just saying there's a handful of hidden ones on freeways. SR 9A, SR 8A, and SR 93A carry I-95/I-295, I-110 and I-75 respectively, and eventually SR 9B will become I-795.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Eth on May 09, 2017, 08:48:23 AM
Quote from: emory on May 09, 2017, 04:01:47 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 07, 2017, 06:44:15 PM
Suffix alternate routes are actually a thing with Florida State Roads.  I used to frequent FL 50A as an example I can throw out off the top of my head.

Oh I'm aware. I'm just saying there's a handful of hidden ones on freeways. SR 9A, SR 8A, and SR 93A carry I-95/I-295, I-110 and I-75 respectively, and eventually SR 9B will become I-795.

On that note, why exactly does SR 9 break free from I-95 at the Golden Glades interchange? Is there some historical significance to that?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: lordsutch on May 09, 2017, 11:13:25 AM
Quote from: Eth on May 09, 2017, 08:48:23 AM
On that note, why exactly does SR 9 break free from I-95 at the Golden Glades interchange? Is there some historical significance to that?

Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_State_Road_9) saith:

QuoteThe section of SR 9 northeast into the Golden Glades Interchange was planned before the Interstate Highway System as a bypass to US 1.[citation needed] The bypass route was built next to CSX's Miami Subdivision.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Eth on May 09, 2017, 06:31:54 PM
Welp, I'm just gonna give myself a :pan: for not checking the obvious source on that one.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on May 10, 2017, 01:33:54 AM
Quote from: lordsutch on May 09, 2017, 11:13:25 AM
Quote from: Eth on May 09, 2017, 08:48:23 AM
On that note, why exactly does SR 9 break free from I-95 at the Golden Glades interchange? Is there some historical significance to that?

Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_State_Road_9) saith:

QuoteThe section of SR 9 northeast into the Golden Glades Interchange was planned before the Interstate Highway System as a bypass to US 1.[citation needed] The bypass route was built next to CSX's Miami Subdivision.

Since Wikipedia needs a citation: http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00015944/00001/7x?search=broward

SR 9 is shown complete from Dade County to SR 820 as "I.S." (or "I.S.U." when in an urban area).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on May 24, 2017, 02:10:26 PM
It appears that it won't be too long (maybe, I have yet to figure out Florida highway construction) before it is possible to avoid Stark on U.S. 301. There is activity at both ends of what looks like a bypass to the west of the city. Now if they could wrap up the connection at I-10 to avoid the left turn and long wait for the traffic light, the trip from I-95 to I-75 will be slightly better.

One thing I have discovered in various visits to my son in the Tampa area is that Florida drivers have no concept of "constant speed" on I-75, nor do lanes seem to matter (slow lane on the right, fastest lane on the left). I set the cruise control on 78 and it is on and off while dealing with the steering-wheel holders. Instance one -- approach a slower vehicle in the center lane, move left to pass, and have the vehicle operator realize someone is passing so he must speed up, either matching speed or pulling away. Instance two -- approach a slower vehicle in the far left lane and either brake because there is nowhere to go or move right a lane or two to get around the slowpoke. Instance three -- idle along behind a "passing" vehicle that is barely moving 1 MPH faster than the truck being passed, only to have the passer speed up once past the slower truck.

I also found in general on this most recent trip (Tuesday) that people don't seem to know what two quick flashes of the high beams means when you are close behind them. Either they had no desire to move out of the left lane, even though there was plenty of open space in the right lane (and beyond the initial point) or they just didn't understand the request to yield to a faster vehicle. It took a lane shift to get around them, watching them stick to the left lane while others had to weave around them or were stuck when traffic caught up in the right lane.

Bruce, back in Blacksburg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on May 24, 2017, 04:10:40 PM
Quote from: VTGoose on May 24, 2017, 02:10:26 PM
It appears that it won't be too long (maybe, I have yet to figure out Florida highway construction) before it is possible to avoid Stark on U.S. 301. There is activity at both ends of what looks like a bypass to the west of the city. Now if they could wrap up the connection at I-10 to avoid the left turn and long wait for the traffic light, the trip from I-95 to I-75 will be slightly better.

A limited-access bypass for U.S. 301 is being constructed around the west side of Starke, and is scheduled for completion in 2019. It will include two interchanges (SR 100 and 16).

QuoteOne thing I have discovered in various visits to my son in the Tampa area is that Florida drivers have no concept of "constant speed" on I-75, nor do lanes seem to matter (slow lane on the right, fastest lane on the left). I set the cruise control on 78 and it is on and off while dealing with the steering-wheel holders. Instance one -- approach a slower vehicle in the center lane, move left to pass, and have the vehicle operator realize someone is passing so he must speed up, either matching speed or pulling away. Instance two -- approach a slower vehicle in the far left lane and either brake because there is nowhere to go or move right a lane or two to get around the slowpoke. Instance three -- idle along behind a "passing" vehicle that is barely moving 1 MPH faster than the truck being passed, only to have the passer speed up once past the slower truck.

Being a Tampa area local, I drive I-75 as part of my commute home five days a week, so I have seen every instance you refer to. Granted I have had my share of complaints about the area freeways, but doesn't what you're describing happen in a lot of other places as well besides Tampa, and more in general, Florida? Plus, you really can't set the cruise control around the urban portions of I-75 and I-4 (70mph, 78mph, or otherwise), mainly because of traffic volume throughout the day. There is always a higher number of commuters (yes, myself included) that share the freeway with those just passing through, so it makes using the cruise control unfeasible.

QuoteI also found in general on this most recent trip (Tuesday) that people don't seem to know what two quick flashes of the high beams means when you are close behind them. Either they had no desire to move out of the left lane, even though there was plenty of open space in the right lane (and beyond the initial point) or they just didn't understand the request to yield to a faster vehicle. It took a lane shift to get around them, watching them stick to the left lane while others had to weave around them or were stuck when traffic caught up in the right lane.

I would say a lot more people today are simply unaware of driving habits that were more common practice back in the day, like flashing the high beams for someone to move. As younger generations learn to drive those older driving habits are disappearing. Yes, it's annoying for someone to be going slow in the fast lane (because I see it everyday), but if it happens to me I just simply move around and continue on.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on May 24, 2017, 05:24:44 PM
Quote from: flaroads on May 24, 2017, 04:10:40 PM

A limited-access bypass for U.S. 301 is being constructed around the west side of Starke, and is scheduled for completion in 2019. It will include two interchanges (SR 100 and 16).

So what will the connection be at both ends of the bypass? It didn't appear that there was any type of embankment work that would provide for an interchange or flyover to handle traffic into and out of town on the business route.

QuoteBeing a Tampa area local, I drive I-75 as part of my commute home five days a week, so I have seen every instance you refer to. Granted I have had my share of complaints about the area freeways, but doesn't what you're describing happen in a lot of other places as well besides Tampa, and more in general, Florida? Plus, you really can't set the cruise control around the urban portions of I-75 and I-4 (70mph, 78mph, or otherwise), mainly because of traffic volume throughout the day. There is always a higher number of commuters (yes, myself included) that share the freeway with those just passing through, so it makes using the cruise control unfeasible.

No, cruise goes on once out beyond the Wesley Chapel area. Yes, there are people who don't use the correct lanes for their speed or who can't (or won't) pick a speed and stick with it. But I see those problems more on I-75 than just about anywhere else on the trip between Virginia and Tampa -- to include I-77 (through and around Charlotte on the beltway), on the three-lane section of I-95 in Georgia and on into Florida.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on May 24, 2017, 09:51:09 PM
Quote from: VTGoose on May 24, 2017, 05:24:44 PM
Quote from: flaroads on May 24, 2017, 04:10:40 PM

A limited-access bypass for U.S. 301 is being constructed around the west side of Starke, and is scheduled for completion in 2019. It will include two interchanges (SR 100 and 16).

So what will the connection be at both ends of the bypass? It didn't appear that there was any type of embankment work that would provide for an interchange or flyover to handle traffic into and out of town on the business route.

QuoteBeing a Tampa area local, I drive I-75 as part of my commute home five days a week, so I have seen every instance you refer to. Granted I have had my share of complaints about the area freeways, but doesn't what you're describing happen in a lot of other places as well besides Tampa, and more in general, Florida? Plus, you really can't set the cruise control around the urban portions of I-75 and I-4 (70mph, 78mph, or otherwise), mainly because of traffic volume throughout the day. There is always a higher number of commuters (yes, myself included) that share the freeway with those just passing through, so it makes using the cruise control unfeasible.

No, cruise goes on once out beyond the Wesley Chapel area. Yes, there are people who don't use the correct lanes for their speed or who can't (or won't) pick a speed and stick with it. But I see those problems more on I-75 than just about anywhere else on the trip between Virginia and Tampa -- to include I-77 (through and around Charlotte on the beltway), on the three-lane section of I-95 in Georgia and on into Florida.

Both ends will be at-grade intersections with slight realignments of current U.S 301. It remains to be seen if current U.S. 301 will become SR 200 or perhaps a U.S 301 Business.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on May 26, 2017, 03:03:32 PM
Quote from: flaroads on May 24, 2017, 09:51:09 PM
Both ends will be at-grade intersections with slight realignments of current U.S 301. It remains to be seen if current U.S. 301 will become SR 200 or perhaps a U.S 301 Business.

Given what FDOT has done in the past with new US route alignments, I'll bet the old routing becomes US 301 Bus./SR 200 and the new bypass will be US 301/SR 200A unless they plan to relinquish parts of the old routing to the city/county, in which case they'll likely forego signing it as a Business route.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on May 30, 2017, 04:36:04 AM
FDOT has requested the relinquishment of Krome Avenue (SR 997) from SW 328 Street to US 1 over to Miami-Dade county control.

http://www.miamidade.gov/govaction/matter.asp?matter=171103&file=true&yearFolder=Y2017

QuoteBACKGROUND
FDOT has been working since December 2014 on a project to build a "Truck By-Pass"  along SW 312 Street (Campbell Drive) between SW 177 Avenue (Krome Avenue) and SR 5 (US-1). This project will improve mobility and alleviate traffic congestion. This will be accomplished by providing additional travel options and transit services will be enhanced to accommodate future growth and development in the area at no cost to the County. As a result of the above project, FDOT no longer needs a segment of Krome Avenue located between Campbell Drive and US-1, and has requested that this segment of Krome Avenue be accepted by the County as a County Road. All responsibilities for the road transfer are delineated in the attached "Roadway Transfer Agreement"  attached to the resolution as Exhibit "A" .
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 30, 2017, 07:48:12 AM
Quote from: emory on May 30, 2017, 04:36:04 AM
FDOT has requested the relinquishment of Krome Avenue (SR 997) from SW 328 Street to US 1 over to Miami-Dade county control.

http://www.miamidade.gov/govaction/matter.asp?matter=171103&file=true&yearFolder=Y2017

QuoteBACKGROUND
FDOT has been working since December 2014 on a project to build a "Truck By-Pass"  along SW 312 Street (Campbell Drive) between SW 177 Avenue (Krome Avenue) and SR 5 (US-1). This project will improve mobility and alleviate traffic congestion. This will be accomplished by providing additional travel options and transit services will be enhanced to accommodate future growth and development in the area at no cost to the County. As a result of the above project, FDOT no longer needs a segment of Krome Avenue located between Campbell Drive and US-1, and has requested that this segment of Krome Avenue be accepted by the County as a County Road. All responsibilities for the road transfer are delineated in the attached "Roadway Transfer Agreement"  attached to the resolution as Exhibit "A" .

I was wondering what FDOT was going to do with Homestead in regards to the 997 upgrades, sounds like the easiest thing to do would be to cut the route short and route it US 1.  Essentially what that stub describes is eliminating the route in downtown Homestead which really is a welcome change to the route alignment. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on May 31, 2017, 01:54:00 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 30, 2017, 07:48:12 AM
I was wondering what FDOT was going to do with Homestead in regards to the 997 upgrades, sounds like the easiest thing to do would be to cut the route short and route it US 1. 

That appears to be the plan. No word on what Campbell Drive will be numbered as but FDOT intends to adopt it into the state highway system.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Ft9PWS5I.png&hash=dd7077eddca33de0bc2eb9382f8a725027f4625b)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on May 31, 2017, 06:04:28 PM
Quote from: emory on May 31, 2017, 01:54:00 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 30, 2017, 07:48:12 AM
I was wondering what FDOT was going to do with Homestead in regards to the 997 upgrades, sounds like the easiest thing to do would be to cut the route short and route it US 1. 

That appears to be the plan. No word on what Campbell Drive will be numbered as but FDOT intends to adopt it into the state highway system.

Probably just part of 997; why bother with another number for such a short route?

A one-mile numbering violation isn't a big deal, better to preserve route continuity than add confusion.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 31, 2017, 09:51:04 PM
Quote from: formulanone on May 31, 2017, 06:04:28 PM
Quote from: emory on May 31, 2017, 01:54:00 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 30, 2017, 07:48:12 AM
I was wondering what FDOT was going to do with Homestead in regards to the 997 upgrades, sounds like the easiest thing to do would be to cut the route short and route it US 1. 

That appears to be the plan. No word on what Campbell Drive will be numbered as but FDOT intends to adopt it into the state highway system.

Probably just part of 997; why bother with another number for such a short route?

A one-mile numbering violation isn't a big deal, better to preserve route continuity than add confusion.

A CR 997a designation for the reliquished part of Krome could be used in theory.  There are plenty of examples of that practice all over the state.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 01, 2017, 02:00:03 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on August 31, 2016, 07:59:30 AM
Yesterday, there was this big accident on the southbound lanes of US 19 in Spring Hill between Windward Village and the flea market that used to be a Wal-Mart. The State Troopers closed off two lanes of the route. An Isuzu NPR with a 22' or maybe 26' box body ended up in a drainage ditch with construction material sticking out of the back, while a Ford F-Series pickup behind it had a mangled cab, a bent frame, and possibly a dead driver and passenger.

NO NEWS COVERAGE!

Remember when I mentioned this incident? Guess I was looking in the wrong place:

http://www.rnrfonline.com/man-charged-with-dui-manslaughter-after-collision-on-commercial-way/

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on June 01, 2017, 02:37:11 AM
Quote from: formulanone on May 31, 2017, 06:04:28 PM
Probably just part of 997; why bother with another number for such a short route?

A one-mile numbering violation isn't a big deal, better to preserve route continuity than add confusion.

Since Miami-Dade County is already littered with tiny state highways I wouldn't put it past FDOT to add another one to the books and keep all of Krome Avenue as SR/CR 997. If that were to happen, Campbell Road would likely become either SR 996 or SR 998. Miami-Dade doesn't sign its own roads but FDOT could always sign it at their US 1, Campbell, and SR 9336 intersections.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on June 18, 2017, 08:08:44 PM
Got home last night from another Gulf-to-the-mountains trip. I'm convinced that drivers in Florida have no idea how traffic lanes are supposed to work on an interstate (slow-moving on right, fast in the center, and real fast in the left). They also have no clue about how to maintain a constant speed nor how to pass another vehicle.

OK, rant over, now some comments and questions:

The work on the Stark bypass (which can't be completed soon enough) is evident at both ends. It looks like all traffic will be routed onto the bypass, to hit a traffic light in a short distance that will control local access to and from the bypass via a short connector road back to the original highway. A couple more bypasses and a better connector just north of Ocala and that route will be half-decent.

At the I-10 end of 301, what is the construction going on to the east of the highway to the south of FL 218? If the highway were only two lanes there I would say it was being widened with two new lanes, but it is already four lanes divided.

Why didn't I know about the "shortcut" from Baldwin to I-95 at Yulee? Granted, it is about the same distance as taking I-10 to I-295 to I-95 (and takes about the same travel time if all goes well) but there was little to no traffic on it yesterday. Even having to go through Baldwin and Callahan (and the slower speed limit on FL 200) it wasn't a bad drive -- certainly less stressful than dealing with the traffic on the interstate (not to mention the bad left turn or pass by and U-turn to get on I-10).

Does FLDOT move at an incredibly slow pace? In the two years we have been making the trip to Tampa, it doesn't seem like there has been a lot of progress on some of the construction projects on I-75.

Bruce in Blacksburg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jim on June 19, 2017, 03:40:01 PM
Quote from: VTGoose on June 18, 2017, 08:08:44 PM
Why didn't I know about the "shortcut" from Baldwin to I-95 at Yulee? Granted, it is about the same distance as taking I-10 to I-295 to I-95 (and takes about the same travel time if all goes well) but there was little to no traffic on it yesterday. Even having to go through Baldwin and Callahan (and the slower speed limit on FL 200) it wasn't a bad drive -- certainly less stressful than dealing with the traffic on the interstate (not to mention the bad left turn or pass by and U-turn to get on I-10).

Been doing this one for years.  As you say, it's not necessarily shorter or faster.  But it's a whole lot less intense of a ride than the interstates you bypass by doing it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: UCFKnights on June 22, 2017, 10:34:37 PM
Quote from: VTGoose on June 18, 2017, 08:08:44 PM
Got home last night from another Gulf-to-the-mountains trip. I'm convinced that drivers in Florida have no idea how traffic lanes are supposed to work on an interstate (slow-moving on right, fast in the center, and real fast in the left). They also have no clue about how to maintain a constant speed nor how to pass another vehicle.

OK, rant over, now some comments and questions:

The work on the Stark bypass (which can't be completed soon enough) is evident at both ends. It looks like all traffic will be routed onto the bypass, to hit a traffic light in a short distance that will control local access to and from the bypass via a short connector road back to the original highway. A couple more bypasses and a better connector just north of Ocala and that route will be half-decent.

At the I-10 end of 301, what is the construction going on to the east of the highway to the south of FL 218? If the highway were only two lanes there I would say it was being widened with two new lanes, but it is already four lanes divided.

Why didn't I know about the "shortcut" from Baldwin to I-95 at Yulee? Granted, it is about the same distance as taking I-10 to I-295 to I-95 (and takes about the same travel time if all goes well) but there was little to no traffic on it yesterday. Even having to go through Baldwin and Callahan (and the slower speed limit on FL 200) it wasn't a bad drive -- certainly less stressful than dealing with the traffic on the interstate (not to mention the bad left turn or pass by and U-turn to get on I-10).

Does FLDOT move at an incredibly slow pace? In the two years we have been making the trip to Tampa, it doesn't seem like there has been a lot of progress on some of the construction projects on I-75.

Bruce in Blacksburg
The I-75 projects are some of the longest distance (by milage) projects I've ever seen, and my understanding is the contract requires the final layer of asphalt to be put on at the very end throughout the entire project, so the structure of the deal is making it move very slowly. I much prefer the more typical doing 5 or 10 or 20 mile projects at a time and getting that area done before moving on to the next area. I believe one single construction zone is over 90 miles long if I remember right
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on June 23, 2017, 02:14:21 AM
Quote from: VTGoose on June 18, 2017, 08:08:44 PM
Got home last night from another Gulf-to-the-mountains trip. I'm convinced that drivers in Florida have no idea how traffic lanes are supposed to work on an interstate (slow-moving on right, fast in the center, and real fast in the left). They also have no clue about how to maintain a constant speed nor how to pass another vehicle.

OK, rant over, now some comments and questions:

The work on the Stark bypass (which can't be completed soon enough) is evident at both ends. It looks like all traffic will be routed onto the bypass, to hit a traffic light in a short distance that will control local access to and from the bypass via a short connector road back to the original highway. A couple more bypasses and a better connector just north of Ocala and that route will be half-decent.

At the I-10 end of 301, what is the construction going on to the east of the highway to the south of FL 218? If the highway were only two lanes there I would say it was being widened with two new lanes, but it is already four lanes divided.

Why didn't I know about the "shortcut" from Baldwin to I-95 at Yulee? Granted, it is about the same distance as taking I-10 to I-295 to I-95 (and takes about the same travel time if all goes well) but there was little to no traffic on it yesterday. Even having to go through Baldwin and Callahan (and the slower speed limit on FL 200) it wasn't a bad drive -- certainly less stressful than dealing with the traffic on the interstate (not to mention the bad left turn or pass by and U-turn to get on I-10).

Does FLDOT move at an incredibly slow pace? In the two years we have been making the trip to Tampa, it doesn't seem like there has been a lot of progress on some of the construction projects on I-75.

Bruce in Blacksburg
Baldwin bypass is being built so that will make the short cut even better.. I agree 301 from Callahan to Baldwin is a nice drive

I think the consruction near 218 is retention ponds

LGMS428

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 23, 2017, 10:37:34 AM
More Express Toll lanes coming to Central Florida.
http://www.floridasturnpike.com/content/downloads/Current%20Project%20Descriptions/Osceola%20to%20Beachline%20with%20SR%20417%20interchange%20Map.jpg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 27, 2017, 03:16:33 PM
Quote from: emory on June 01, 2017, 02:37:11 AM
Quote from: formulanone on May 31, 2017, 06:04:28 PM
Probably just part of 997; why bother with another number for such a short route?

A one-mile numbering violation isn't a big deal, better to preserve route continuity than add confusion.

Since Miami-Dade County is already littered with tiny state highways I wouldn't put it past FDOT to add another one to the books and keep all of Krome Avenue as SR/CR 997. If that were to happen, Campbell Road would likely become either SR 996 or SR 998. Miami-Dade doesn't sign its own roads but FDOT could always sign it at their US 1, Campbell, and SR 9336 intersections.
Campbell RD could become SR 997A.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on July 02, 2017, 10:05:09 AM
Has anyone seen this ACL Railroad bridge over SR 40 in Rainbow Lake Estates?

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EB_FL_40_under_old,_low_RR_Bridge.JPG

How old is it? The thing looks like it's from the 19th Century, and I'm pretty close to shooting an e-mail to FDOT Region #5 to ask them about it.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on July 03, 2017, 10:34:12 AM
Very rare of one of these.  We have plenty of old ones but not like this.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on July 05, 2017, 12:16:33 PM
Well, I just found an e-mail from them in my inbox. Believe it or not, they say it was from 1925!  :-o




Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 21stCenturyRoad on July 27, 2017, 01:28:44 PM
Phase 1A/1B of the Wekiva Parkway opened this morning, extending FL 429 5 miles north from US 441 to Kelly Park Road.
http://www.wekivaparkway.com/pnews.php
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on July 27, 2017, 02:03:27 PM
Quote from: 21stCenturyRoad on July 27, 2017, 01:28:44 PM
Phase 1A/1B of the Wekiva Parkway opened this morning, extending FL 429 5 miles north from US 441 to Kelly Park Road.
http://www.wekivaparkway.com/pnews.php

That's a major step to getting it completed right there.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 27, 2017, 08:48:34 PM
Quote from: 21stCenturyRoad on July 27, 2017, 01:28:44 PM
Phase 1A/1B of the Wekiva Parkway opened this morning, extending FL 429 5 miles north from US 441 to Kelly Park Road.
http://www.wekivaparkway.com/pnews.php

Any exit number posted for the US-441 interchange now?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 21stCenturyRoad on July 27, 2017, 10:16:32 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 27, 2017, 08:48:34 PM
Quote from: 21stCenturyRoad on July 27, 2017, 01:28:44 PM
Phase 1A/1B of the Wekiva Parkway opened this morning, extending FL 429 5 miles north from US 441 to Kelly Park Road.
http://www.wekivaparkway.com/pnews.php

Any exit number posted for the US-441 interchange now?
Not that I'm aware of, but I think it will be Exit 34
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on July 28, 2017, 12:10:47 PM
Until FL 453 gets completed traffic for Mount Dora, Eustis, Taveras, and Leesburg still need to exit at US 441.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on July 31, 2017, 10:13:15 PM
Quote from: VTGoose on May 24, 2017, 02:10:26 PM
It appears that it won't be too long (maybe, I have yet to figure out Florida highway construction) before it is possible to avoid Stark on U.S. 301. There is activity at both ends of what looks like a bypass to the west of the city.
Just when did the construction start? Because when I went through Starke in 2015, I saw no signs of construction for the bypass whatsoever.

At-grade at both ends? Ugh!


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: UCFKnights on August 01, 2017, 12:26:24 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on July 31, 2017, 10:13:15 PM
Quote from: VTGoose on May 24, 2017, 02:10:26 PM
It appears that it won't be too long (maybe, I have yet to figure out Florida highway construction) before it is possible to avoid Stark on U.S. 301. There is activity at both ends of what looks like a bypass to the west of the city.
Just when did the construction start? Because when I went through Starke in 2015, I saw no signs of construction for the bypass whatsoever.

At-grade at both ends? Ugh!
I don't go thrugh the area too often, but I think it started this year... construction isn't supposed to be completed until late 2019
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on August 01, 2017, 03:16:07 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on July 31, 2017, 10:13:15 PM
Quote from: VTGoose on May 24, 2017, 02:10:26 PM
It appears that it won't be too long (maybe, I have yet to figure out Florida highway construction) before it is possible to avoid Stark on U.S. 301. There is activity at both ends of what looks like a bypass to the west of the city.
Just when did the construction start? Because when I went through Starke in 2015, I saw no signs of construction for the bypass whatsoever.

At-grade at both ends? Ugh!

From the satellite view on Google, a lot of the grading is pretty far along. It was only this spring that the work reached both ends adjacent to U.S. 301.

Bruce in Blacksburg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 08, 2017, 12:14:11 PM
Since I can't find the thread for this, I'm just going to post it in the general Florida thread;

Regarding the Hammond Boulevard interchange on I-10 replacing the Old Exit 355's; Shouldn't this be redesignated as Exit 354, or is it not at the unseen 354 mile marker?


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 12, 2017, 08:39:53 AM
The Beachline West Toll Plaza is now down to three cash lanes westbound as the new Express Lane construction progresses.  In two weeks we lose an eastbound cash lane as the construction will commence further on that side.

The plaza is split having four cash lanes each on either side of ORT in the middle.  When the express lanes are completed in the middle the three general purpose ORT lanes will shift to the right, hence the closure of the far left cash lanes.  Temporarily, the left cash lanes will be exclusive Sunpass lanes until the initial work is done.

Some of us think at the plaza as employees that no one will use the temporary Sunpass lanes that the project management is making a bad choice as we do need all four lanes with the amount of tourists who use the toll road who are not hear long enough to purchase their own transponder nor wish to pay the high rate of use from the rental companies, and are totally unaware in general that toll roads do exist.  You have three ORT lanes why would somebody want to exit the roadway just to use a plaza lane to use their Sunpass?

Anyway, just to give some a progress report on the FL 528 construction from I-4 to Exit 8 that will be completed by 2019.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jim on August 12, 2017, 09:32:00 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 12, 2017, 08:39:53 AM
The Beachline West Toll Plaza is now down to three cash lanes westbound as the new Express Lane construction progresses.  In two weeks we lose an eastbound cash lane as the construction will commence further on that side.

The plaza is split having four cash lanes each on either side of ORT in the middle.  When the express lanes are completed in the middle the three general purpose ORT lanes will shift to the right, hence the closure of the far left cash lanes.  Temporarily, the left cash lanes will be exclusive Sunpass lanes until the initial work is done.

Some of us think at the plaza as employees that no one will use the temporary Sunpass lanes that the project management is making a bad choice as we do need all four lanes with the amount of tourists who use the toll road who are not hear long enough to purchase their own transponder nor wish to pay the high rate of use from the rental companies, and are totally unaware in general that toll roads do exist.  You have three ORT lanes why would somebody want to exit the roadway just to use a plaza lane to use their Sunpass?

Anyway, just to give some a progress report on the FL 528 construction from I-4 to Exit 8 that will be completed by 2019.

I'm sure many of those tourists would be thrilled to go through that express lane if Florida could get its act together and make Sunpass interoperable with the E-ZPass transponders already mounted on their windshields.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on August 12, 2017, 10:23:14 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on August 08, 2017, 12:14:11 PM
Since I can't find the thread for this, I'm just going to post it in the general Florida thread;

Regarding the Hammond Boulevard interchange on I-10 replacing the Old Exit 355's; Shouldn't this be redesignated as Exit 354, or is it not at the unseen 354 mile marker?
It serves the same general area and roads. I think FDOT wanted to not change too much

LGMS428

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jhuntin1 on August 12, 2017, 06:10:41 PM
Quote from: Jim on August 12, 2017, 09:32:00 AM
I'm sure many of those tourists would be thrilled to go through that express lane if Florida could get its act together and make Sunpass interoperable with the E-ZPass transponders already mounted on their windshields.
Agreed. I will give Florida credit, though, for selling mini-transponders for $5 at rest areas and other locations. Two years ago I bought one from a vending machine at the first rest area on I-75 and used my cell phone to activate it. It made the toll roads easy.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on August 12, 2017, 09:34:26 PM
Quote from: Jim on August 12, 2017, 09:32:00 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 12, 2017, 08:39:53 AM
The Beachline West Toll Plaza is now down to three cash lanes westbound as the new Express Lane construction progresses.  In two weeks we lose an eastbound cash lane as the construction will commence further on that side.

The plaza is split having four cash lanes each on either side of ORT in the middle.  When the express lanes are completed in the middle the three general purpose ORT lanes will shift to the right, hence the closure of the far left cash lanes.  Temporarily, the left cash lanes will be exclusive Sunpass lanes until the initial work is done.

Some of us think at the plaza as employees that no one will use the temporary Sunpass lanes that the project management is making a bad choice as we do need all four lanes with the amount of tourists who use the toll road who are not hear long enough to purchase their own transponder nor wish to pay the high rate of use from the rental companies, and are totally unaware in general that toll roads do exist.  You have three ORT lanes why would somebody want to exit the roadway just to use a plaza lane to use their Sunpass?

Anyway, just to give some a progress report on the FL 528 construction from I-4 to Exit 8 that will be completed by 2019.

I'm sure many of those tourists would be thrilled to go through that express lane if Florida could get its act together and make Sunpass interoperable with the E-ZPass transponders already mounted on their windshields.

E-ZPass uses old ass technology and won't upgrade. It's on them to modernize, not us to spend big bucks on ancient receivers.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 13, 2017, 03:24:29 AM
I get people who ask me why Florida don't get EZPass, when I just want to say why don't the NE get Sunpass, now I can blame the EZPass people when these motorists ask that age old question.

However, it would be best to have all transponder companies accept everybody else's, as more would use the ORT lanes.  That and have the rental companies stop charging ridiculous fees for using their transponders.  Most people nowadays think cash is dead and whip out their cards only to be pissed off that FDOT won't accept them.   Then they I have to issue an unpaid toll notice because they don't have cash and some don't take the hint that they could get cash out of an ATM before they run into the next plaza.  I have people collect many of them claiming to send them all in at once their vacation ends even though it says in bold letters to Exit the toll road immediately.  Those 100 dollar fine signs don't even scare many either.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jim on August 13, 2017, 09:03:18 AM
Quote from: realjd on August 12, 2017, 09:34:26 PM
Quote from: Jim on August 12, 2017, 09:32:00 AM
I'm sure many of those tourists would be thrilled to go through that express lane if Florida could get its act together and make Sunpass interoperable with the E-ZPass transponders already mounted on their windshields.

E-ZPass uses old ass technology and won't upgrade. It's on them to modernize, not us to spend big bucks on ancient receivers.

I'm no expert on the situation, so I would welcome a correction from someone who knows better if anything I say here is wrong.  My understanding is that the way to make it happen is not to have Florida's toll roads add technology to read E-ZPass transponders or the E-ZPass world add technology to read SunPass transponders or insert any toll agency X in state Y in the mix, but to base it on license plates.  Many if not most electronic toll systems already read license plates.  An account holder with any toll agency would register their plate and toll account with some kind of consortium database (or maybe it would just happen, I don't know).  When they use a toll road/bridge that doesn't use their transponder's technology, the database would be checked and the account billed.  I know some Florida roads already offer the toll-by-plate option, but when I looked into it a few years ago, the fees for the occasional user were off the charts so I avoided the cashless toll roads.  It seems to me that the administrative costs to link plates to some existing E-ZPass/SunPass/etc to do such billing would be lower than sending people bills in the mail.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 13, 2017, 10:09:33 AM
Its 75 cents at the FL 417 to FL Turnpike to do it toll by plate.  However rental agencies do contract a third party to have their cars plates all in a data base that when an unpaid toll anyplace is happening, the toll road will mail them the bill and they charge the rental company for their service to act as middleman.  Of course the rental company bills the user.

With more ORT coming to FL and most drivers now not reading and comprehending signs while relying on the GPS than curiosity to learn about orientation of roads, more are going to be paying the rental's third party without knowing it.  So FDOT, the CFX, and other toll agencies now have no reason to rid themselves of toll roads as the people ask for it out of carelessness.   The average person driving who ends up on a well marked toll road now uses state politics as a scapegoat instead of admitting that they are to read and comprehend road signs and use common sense when driving as signs are placed to be read for safety and to be informative.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: lordsutch on August 13, 2017, 09:11:34 PM
Or, you know, they could just check the "Avoid Toll Roads" option in their GPS.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on August 13, 2017, 10:39:07 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 12, 2017, 08:39:53 AM
The Beachline West Toll Plaza is now down to three cash lanes westbound as the new Express Lane construction progresses.  In two weeks we lose an eastbound cash lane as the construction will commence further on that side.

The plaza is split having four cash lanes each on either side of ORT in the middle.  When the express lanes are completed in the middle the three general purpose ORT lanes will shift to the right, hence the closure of the far left cash lanes.  Temporarily, the left cash lanes will be exclusive Sunpass lanes until the initial work is done.

Some of us think at the plaza as employees that no one will use the temporary Sunpass lanes that the project management is making a bad choice as we do need all four lanes with the amount of tourists who use the toll road who are not hear long enough to purchase their own transponder nor wish to pay the high rate of use from the rental companies, and are totally unaware in general that toll roads do exist.  You have three ORT lanes why would somebody want to exit the roadway just to use a plaza lane to use their Sunpass?

Anyway, just to give some a progress report on the FL 528 construction from I-4 to Exit 8 that will be completed by 2019.

Why did they change the name from Bee Line to Beach Line? 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on August 14, 2017, 09:24:44 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on August 13, 2017, 10:39:07 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 12, 2017, 08:39:53 AM
The Beachline West Toll Plaza is now down to three cash lanes westbound as the new Express Lane construction progresses.  In two weeks we lose an eastbound cash lane as the construction will commence further on that side.

The plaza is split having four cash lanes each on either side of ORT in the middle.  When the express lanes are completed in the middle the three general purpose ORT lanes will shift to the right, hence the closure of the far left cash lanes.  Temporarily, the left cash lanes will be exclusive Sunpass lanes until the initial work is done.

Some of us think at the plaza as employees that no one will use the temporary Sunpass lanes that the project management is making a bad choice as we do need all four lanes with the amount of tourists who use the toll road who are not hear long enough to purchase their own transponder nor wish to pay the high rate of use from the rental companies, and are totally unaware in general that toll roads do exist.  You have three ORT lanes why would somebody want to exit the roadway just to use a plaza lane to use their Sunpass?

Anyway, just to give some a progress report on the FL 528 construction from I-4 to Exit 8 that will be completed by 2019.

Why did they change the name from Bee Line to Beach Line?
To emphasize that the road goes to the beach.  I think Cocoa Beach area really wanted it so tourists ( and Orlando resident daytrippers) would go there instead of i4 up to Volusia County beaches.

Not to mention the CFX authority would rather make the toll money than have people take the free i4



LGMS428
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: UCFKnights on August 14, 2017, 10:10:56 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 13, 2017, 03:24:29 AM
I get people who ask me why Florida don't get EZPass, when I just want to say why don't the NE get Sunpass, now I can blame the EZPass people when these motorists ask that age old question.

However, it would be best to have all transponder companies accept everybody else's, as more would use the ORT lanes.  That and have the rental companies stop charging ridiculous fees for using their transponders.  Most people nowadays think cash is dead and whip out their cards only to be pissed off that FDOT won't accept them.   Then they I have to issue an unpaid toll notice because they don't have cash and some don't take the hint that they could get cash out of an ATM before they run into the next plaza.  I have people collect many of them claiming to send them all in at once their vacation ends even though it says in bold letters to Exit the toll road immediately.  Those 100 dollar fine signs don't even scare many either.
When I got a new car, I completely forgot to register it on my EPass account and put a sticker in it. I don't know if its because they had my address/name on file already and recognized that I did have an account, but I got an unpaid toll notice in the mail that included an EPass sticker transponder in it. And very reasonable fees (basically cash rate for tolls, plus $2.50 administrative fee if I remember right). I was quite surprised they didn't try to hit me for me. I know we have the toll violators $100 fine sign all over, but are they actually doing that? Or did I only avoid the charge as I am an EPass holder?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 18, 2017, 11:20:07 AM
NO that sign is a scare tactic and only if Florida Highway Patrol catches you avoiding a toll they do have the power of the ticket to implement that one.  If someone comes to my lane and asks me about running tolls I am to give them a number to call so they can pay it before the statement in the mail comes which only charges the administrative fees of like you said you got.

The worst that can happen to you is you can't renew your tag or license when renewal time arrives as they will hold that toll unpaid against you when that moment arrives if you leave it outstanding.


Anyway, has anyone ever contacted FDOT about the SR 39 mix up in Plant City where the new Alexander Street extension north of I-4 is signed and connected via default where it ties into Buchman Highway as SR 39 while the original route is also still signed as SR 39?  Also the preexisting segment of Alexander south of I-4 is not signed at all as SR 39. Plus from US 92 Alexander Street is signed both ways as SR 39A and at where Alexander and SR 39 meet south of downtown there is no mention of it being SR 39A at all and overhead signs just direct trucks to I-4 West to use NB Alexander Street.

I know that PennDOT did that with US 1 when the final leg of the Freeway between I-276 and the Delaware River was opened to traffic in 1987 it took until the early 90's to remove all preexisting US 1 shields along Lincoln Highway in Oxford Valley, Langhorne, and Pendell including the guide signs on I-95 as the US 1 freeway was unnumbered and the business route was signed as mainline still and the split at Neshaminy where US 1 Business exits US 1 mainline that was still having the exit for the business route signed as "US 1."  So anything is possible including the same situation over 1000 miles south.

It just amazes me that someone could order new signs to be placed on a new road and not order the removal of old signs on the old road or even wait until its official to renumber the new Alexander Street extension to a not yet relocated route alignment.   Yet they have for over two years already.  Another two more and they will tie PennDOT in Buck's County, which was also careless of PennDOT as well.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on August 19, 2017, 01:55:58 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 18, 2017, 11:20:07 AM
NO that sign is a scare tactic and only if Florida Highway Patrol catches you avoiding a toll they do have the power of the ticket to implement that one.  If someone comes to my lane and asks me about running tolls I am to give them a number to call so they can pay it before the statement in the mail comes which only charges the administrative fees of like you said you got.

The worst that can happen to you is you can't renew your tag or license when renewal time arrives as they will hold that toll unpaid against you when that moment arrives if you leave it outstanding.


Anyway, has anyone ever contacted FDOT about the SR 39 mix up in Plant City where the new Alexander Street extension north of I-4 is signed and connected via default where it ties into Buchman Highway as SR 39 while the original route is also still signed as SR 39?  Also the preexisting segment of Alexander south of I-4 is not signed at all as SR 39. Plus from US 92 Alexander Street is signed both ways as SR 39A and at where Alexander and SR 39 meet south of downtown there is no mention of it being SR 39A at all and overhead signs just direct trucks to I-4 West to use NB Alexander Street.

I know that PennDOT did that with US 1 when the final leg of the Freeway between I-276 and the Delaware River was opened to traffic in 1987 it took until the early 90's to remove all preexisting US 1 shields along Lincoln Highway in Oxford Valley, Langhorne, and Pendell including the guide signs on I-95 as the US 1 freeway was unnumbered and the business route was signed as mainline still and the split at Neshaminy where US 1 Business exits US 1 mainline that was still having the exit for the business route signed as "US 1."  So anything is possible including the same situation over 1000 miles south.

It just amazes me that someone could order new signs to be placed on a new road and not order the removal of old signs on the old road or even wait until its official to renumber the new Alexander Street extension to a not yet relocated route alignment.   Yet they have for over two years already.  Another two more and they will tie PennDOT in Buck's County, which was also careless of PennDOT as well.
"Toll by plate" will be universal before too long... SR23 in Jacksonville is all sunpass toll by tag.. And new exits in Orlando are are sunpass only.

So if someone got a ticket for running a toll... The defense is " i thought it was toll by plate like on 589" or Miami Dade 

LGMS428

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 19, 2017, 09:43:11 AM
I believe its going to be nationwide as even in NYC the PANYNJ has done that with the new raised deck of the Bayonne Bridge (that is according to some posts on here) and talk all along is that the GWB plaza in Fort Lee was to be one of the PANYNJ's first to go completely ORT due to its high traffic counts and constant peak hour delays (though IMO the Lincoln Tunnel should be first with NJ 495 always crawling from around 6 or 7 to about 10 AM).

However people not reading road signs anymore and using the GPS as the only way to get around like its been with us in life always, makes ORT more of the thing to do.  Agencies can make money off of the common person nowadays and with no one complaining to their representatives these days (as most people take sides of the political realm instead), it will be the law of the land.  Plus it will allow them all to jack prices at any time, especially when most do not know what they are paying as the money is silently deducted from their accounts so to speak.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: UCFKnights on August 19, 2017, 03:56:49 PM
Is it standard practice to mail you a free Epass sticker if you run a bunch of tolls? Or what was it that caused me to get one when I did that? Orlando address? Name/address on registration already had a Sunpass account? Or is that for everyone? Or was I part of a test group to see if I used it or something? That was the most surprising thing of all... my mistake of running tolls led to extra convenience for me. I didn't need to go to the store and pick one up because I ran the tolls (accidentally).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 20, 2017, 10:02:21 AM
They need to crack down on those who religiously collect unpaid toll slips as they hold up traffic constantly while I need a moment to fill it out and gather info.

Plus some people nowadays don't want to carry cash and refuse to stop by the nearest ATM to fund money to their wallets, so they know toll roads do not prosecute or send cops after them and therefore abuse the program of helping people who really do accidentally not have cash on them get by until they find cash at the next exit.

Plus soon within 5 years I believe the whole state of FL will be all open road tolling, so that might not be a bad idea to introduce a Sunpass to the constant toll runners.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 21stCenturyRoad on August 26, 2017, 10:49:52 AM
The widening of I-75 from Harborview Road in Port Charlotte and Sumter Blvd in North Port has been completed. As a result, I-75 is mostly 6 Lanes from Collier Blvd in Naples to the Georgia State Line, with a portion in Punta Gorda remains to be widened and will start soon. Also, FDOT is building a separate facility at the Collier County Rest Area, on the northbound(west) side.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on August 26, 2017, 01:52:16 PM
Quote from: 21stCenturyRoad on August 26, 2017, 10:49:52 AM
The widening of I-75 from Harborview Road in Port Charlotte and Sumter Blvd in North Port has been completed. As a result, I-75 is mostly 6 Lanes from Collier Blvd in Naples to the Georgia State Line, with a portion in Punta Gorda remains to be widened and will start soon. Also, FDOT is building a separate facility at the Collier County Rest Area, on the northbound(west) side.

Just drove through Charlotte this morning and it was good to see the six laning complete.
Work to widen I-75 north of CR 54 to CR 41 and from south of US 98 in Hernando to Florida's Tpk, except for CR 478 to south of CR 470, is not yet complete. The work north of CR 470 in Sumter only got started late last year. It involves shifting the left hand ramp for the Tpk southbound to the right and building a c/d road system north to FL 44.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 28, 2017, 05:21:34 PM
FL 528 is now only two lanes each way ORT instead of the usual three as the construction of the HOT lanes is now though the Beachline West Toll Plaza.

Instead FDOT has one dedicated SunPass where the far left manned lane was.  Also to prevent weaving, the ramp from Florida's Turnpike has a movable VMS state Sunpass Keep Right to get motorists to use that set up and has barrels to prevent weaving into the Express Sunpass from both Landstreet Road and the Turnpike.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on September 08, 2017, 09:12:14 PM
What do those white-on-blue "G UD" signs mean? I've seen them for 15-20 years, but never though much about them, and I only see them in Florida.

Here's an example - US 90 near Live Oak:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8055/28917587390_e3ea827106_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/L4mcfW)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 08, 2017, 11:36:15 PM
Gas unleaded diesel for department vehicles to fill up.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Aerobird on September 09, 2017, 06:53:58 AM
Quote from: formulanone on September 08, 2017, 09:12:14 PM
What do those white-on-blue "G UD" signs mean? I've seen them for 15-20 years, but never though much about them, and I only see them in Florida.

Here's an example - US 90 near Live Oak:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8055/28917587390_e3ea827106_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/L4mcfW)

While I don't recall (if I ever knew in the first place) the meaning of "U" and "D", the "G" is, if I remember correctly, pointing to a barracks for the Florida Highway Patrol, Troop G.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 13, 2017, 01:54:03 PM
I was just driving through both Brandon and Valrico and noticed the sprawl and heavy traffic along Highway 60 there.  It seems to me that it would take a lot to improve traffic flow along that route as too much commuter and retail traffic for the current highway to handle.  Along with many signalized intersections it could take over a half an hour to go from I-75 all the way to where the rural areas begin in eastern Hillsborough County.

With all the sprawl to the south of Brandon it would now be impossible to extend FL 618 to bypass both communities and the ROW is too well clogged to 10 lane the current roadway which would be needed to handle the current traffic that uses the state route.

I see a deadlock here or a stale mate as this is one situation where sprawl has really created a no win situation for drivers unless they double deck FL 60, which I am sure is not an option with FDOT or even the City of Brandon.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on September 14, 2017, 05:15:35 AM
A segment of SR 12 that runs through Quincy has been relinquished to the city. Specifically the portion running from SR 269 to US 90 along E. King Street. Rather than gap the route, SR 12 now runs south down the entirety of SR 269/Quincy Bypass and co-signs with US 90/SR 10 until it hits its former routing. http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/Straight-linesOnlineGIS/blank.aspx?docId=106084
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on September 14, 2017, 08:17:26 PM
We've occasionally discussed those really dark-tinted county road signs at this forum, and it appears as somewhere between dark blue and black.

It turns out, they're really...dark green.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4350/37042000976_a7ef2fe351_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YrgWnf)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4404/37232663475_224083e2bc_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YJ88FH)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jhuntin1 on September 14, 2017, 08:42:31 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 13, 2017, 01:54:03 PM
I was just driving through both Brandon and Valrico and noticed the sprawl and heavy traffic along Highway 60 there.  It seems to me that it would take a lot to improve traffic flow along that route as too much commuter and retail traffic for the current highway to handle.  Along with many signalized intersections it could take over a half an hour to go from I-75 all the way to where the rural areas begin in eastern Hillsborough County.

With all the sprawl to the south of Brandon it would now be impossible to extend FL 618 to bypass both communities and the ROW is too well clogged to 10 lane the current roadway which would be needed to handle the current traffic that uses the state route.

I see a deadlock here or a stale mate as this is one situation where sprawl has really created a no win situation for drivers unless they double deck FL 60, which I am sure is not an option with FDOT or even the City of Brandon.
FL 60 was awful back in 2002 when I moved away from Plant City. Too much retail for a major artery, but hardly alone in that regard. The best way to fix it would to be to extend the Crosstown Expressway (or LeeRoy Selmon, I'm not sure what its official name is anymore) east and then hook up with 60 somewhere outside of Brandon. Even as a toll road, though, I don't see it happening because I can't imagine where they would get the ROW.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 14, 2017, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: emory on September 14, 2017, 05:15:35 AM
A segment of SR 12 that runs through Quincy has been relinquished to the city. Specifically the portion running from SR 269 to US 90 along E. King Street. Rather than gap the route, SR 12 now runs south down the entirety of SR 269/Quincy Bypass and co-signs with US 90/SR 10 until it hits its former routing. http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/Straight-linesOnlineGIS/blank.aspx?docId=106084

Do you know if 269 will still stay posted with 12, or will it be decommissioned?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on September 15, 2017, 05:19:08 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 14, 2017, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: emory on September 14, 2017, 05:15:35 AM
A segment of SR 12 that runs through Quincy has been relinquished to the city. Specifically the portion running from SR 269 to US 90 along E. King Street. Rather than gap the route, SR 12 now runs south down the entirety of SR 269/Quincy Bypass and co-signs with US 90/SR 10 until it hits its former routing. http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/Straight-linesOnlineGIS/blank.aspx?docId=106084

Do you know if 269 will still stay posted with 12, or will it be decommissioned?

No, but I'll bet it stays. Seems when routes are re-routed and coincidentally co-sign another entire route they leave it be. SR 651 does this with US 19 Alt. / SR 595 in Tampa, and now SR 907 co-signs completely with US 1 / SR 5 in Miami.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mapmikey on September 15, 2017, 10:53:05 AM
Quote from: Aerobird on September 09, 2017, 06:53:58 AM
Quote from: formulanone on September 08, 2017, 09:12:14 PM
What do those white-on-blue "G UD" signs mean? I've seen them for 15-20 years, but never though much about them, and I only see them in Florida.

Here's an example - US 90 near Live Oak:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8055/28917587390_e3ea827106_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/L4mcfW)

While I don't recall (if I ever knew in the first place) the meaning of "U" and "D", the "G" is, if I remember correctly, pointing to a barracks for the Florida Highway Patrol, Troop G.

Definitely not associated solely with Florida Highway Patrol.

Florida Forestry Service appears to have these signs at some of their field office entrances or where a short road off a main highway leads to one.

Perry FL - https://goo.gl/maps/55ahQmASpL92

Here is one with only the G near Milton...

https://goo.gl/maps/VoyBsGsjq6S2
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on September 26, 2017, 11:25:36 PM
Quote from: emory on September 15, 2017, 05:19:08 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 14, 2017, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: emory on September 14, 2017, 05:15:35 AM
A segment of SR 12 that runs through Quincy has been relinquished to the city. Specifically the portion running from SR 269 to US 90 along E. King Street. Rather than gap the route, SR 12 now runs south down the entirety of SR 269/Quincy Bypass and co-signs with US 90/SR 10 until it hits its former routing. http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/Straight-linesOnlineGIS/blank.aspx?docId=106084

Do you know if 269 will still stay posted with 12, or will it be decommissioned?

No, but I'll bet it stays. Seems when routes are re-routed and coincidentally co-sign another entire route they leave it be. SR 651 does this with US 19 Alt. / SR 595 in Tampa, and now SR 907 co-signs completely with US 1 / SR 5 in Miami.

Aren't there plans for SR 269 to be extended west to SR 267? I think it'll stay signed
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: adventurernumber1 on September 27, 2017, 08:07:40 PM
I knew well about I-4's former 4-lane, traffic-clogged, old-pavement-in-desperate-need-of-resurfacing section between DeLand and Interstate 95. However, I had no idea just what they were going to do with it.

Tonight, while browsing Google Maps, I have found out just what it is that they have been doing, and it looks beautiful!!!  :spin:

See here: https://www.google.com/maps/@29.149071,-81.0902515,3a,75y,65.21h,87.2t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swlcL9mfg5vanPK_68w5omw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

They have widened it (and as a result, also resurfaced it), added some delightful new signs, and it looks to me like they have even been working on the interchanges with both US 92 and I-95:

https://tinyurl.com/y9byl4gh

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1579267,-81.0765658,3a,75y,251.88h,94.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfO2hyfgJ35guYNN0oBQ2PQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

This truly is interesting, and it sure is looking great!!  :clap:  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: edwaleni on September 27, 2017, 10:47:50 PM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on September 27, 2017, 08:07:40 PM
I knew well about I-4's former 4-lane, traffic-clogged, old-pavement-in-desperate-need-of-resurfacing section between DeLand and Interstate 95. However, I had no idea just what they were going to do with it.

Tonight, while browsing Google Maps, I have found out just what it is that they have been doing, and it looks beautiful!!!  :spin:

See here: https://www.google.com/maps/@29.149071,-81.0902515,3a,75y,65.21h,87.2t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swlcL9mfg5vanPK_68w5omw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

They have widened it (and as a result, also resurfaced it), added some delightful new signs, and it looks to me like they have even been working on the interchanges with both US 92 and I-95:

https://tinyurl.com/y9byl4gh

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1579267,-81.0765658,3a,75y,251.88h,94.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfO2hyfgJ35guYNN0oBQ2PQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

This truly is interesting, and it sure is looking great!!  :clap:  :thumbsup:

They finally are getting that I-95/I-4 section out of 1973 and into the 2000's.

The left hand exit for US-93 off I-4 is gone and moved to the right.

I-95 will get center lanes at Daytona for thru traffic and provide a better merge speed lane for local traffic.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on September 27, 2017, 10:50:35 PM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on September 27, 2017, 08:07:40 PM
I knew well about I-4's former 4-lane, traffic-clogged, old-pavement-in-desperate-need-of-resurfacing section between DeLand and Interstate 95. However, I had no idea just what they were going to do with it.

Tonight, while browsing Google Maps, I have found out just what it is that they have been doing, and it looks beautiful!!!  :spin:

See here: https://www.google.com/maps/@29.149071,-81.0902515,3a,75y,65.21h,87.2t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swlcL9mfg5vanPK_68w5omw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

They have widened it (and as a result, also resurfaced it), added some delightful new signs, and it looks to me like they have even been working on the interchanges with both US 92 and I-95:

https://tinyurl.com/y9byl4gh

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1579267,-81.0765658,3a,75y,251.88h,94.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfO2hyfgJ35guYNN0oBQ2PQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

This truly is interesting, and it sure is looking great!!  :clap: 
It is a great new road... I drive between Jacksonville and Orlando a lot... The new part of i4 is a very nice drive

Z981

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on September 27, 2017, 11:52:33 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on September 27, 2017, 10:50:35 PM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on September 27, 2017, 08:07:40 PM
I knew well about I-4's former 4-lane, traffic-clogged, old-pavement-in-desperate-need-of-resurfacing section between DeLand and Interstate 95. However, I had no idea just what they were going to do with it.

Tonight, while browsing Google Maps, I have found out just what it is that they have been doing, and it looks beautiful!!!  :spin:

See here: https://www.google.com/maps/@29.149071,-81.0902515,3a,75y,65.21h,87.2t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swlcL9mfg5vanPK_68w5omw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

They have widened it (and as a result, also resurfaced it), added some delightful new signs, and it looks to me like they have even been working on the interchanges with both US 92 and I-95:

https://tinyurl.com/y9byl4gh

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1579267,-81.0765658,3a,75y,251.88h,94.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfO2hyfgJ35guYNN0oBQ2PQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

This truly is interesting, and it sure is looking great!!  :clap: 
It is a great new road... I drive between Jacksonville and Orlando a lot... The new part of i4 is a very nice drive

Z981

Really it was the worst part of I-4, I was living there in Orlando when the improvement project started.  There was some urban legends about that stretch of I-4 being cursed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on September 28, 2017, 12:32:43 AM
That middle sign for "South Daytona" is too low. Bottom needs to be even with bottom of others
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on October 22, 2017, 12:56:10 PM
Has US 17/92 in Sanford been relocated yet?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on October 22, 2017, 01:43:27 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on October 22, 2017, 12:56:10 PM
Has US 17/92 in Sanford been relocated yet?
What is being relocated? I have not seen anything about relocating 17-92

Z981

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on October 22, 2017, 02:57:11 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on October 22, 2017, 01:43:27 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on October 22, 2017, 12:56:10 PM
Has US 17/92 in Sanford been relocated yet?
What is being relocated? I have not seen anything about relocating 17-92

Z981


It is being moved from the route along the lake front to 1st St / Monroe Rd
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on October 22, 2017, 03:04:34 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on October 22, 2017, 02:57:11 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on October 22, 2017, 01:43:27 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on October 22, 2017, 12:56:10 PM
Has US 17/92 in Sanford been relocated yet?
What is being relocated? I have not seen anything about relocating 17-92

Z981


It is being moved from the route along the lake front to 1st St / Monroe Rd
Routing with SR 46 a few miles.. so now all of 17-92 will be at leaat 4 lanes in Seminole County

Z981

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on October 23, 2017, 05:28:48 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on October 22, 2017, 12:56:10 PM
Has US 17/92 in Sanford been relocated yet?

Not yet, drove both alignments in August and no sign changes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on October 24, 2017, 06:07:05 PM
In Orlando the new permanent ramp to EB FL 528 from John Young Parkway is almost ready to open.  Right now traffic is using a temporary one, but the newer one is just to the south at a higher grade.  Only missing is the new median break on JYP that will allow SB John Young to make left turn on to it.  So far they don't even have the grass removed for it.  It will be interesting to see how that plays out as it will take a few weeks at least to create a new median break, unless they use a temporary crossover on the current temporary ramp.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on October 28, 2017, 03:06:50 PM
Toll increase in Orlando on FL 528's west plaza at 1 am ET tomorrow morning.  It goes from $2.25 to $2.50 after being two and a quarter since the Airport Plaza was shut down on January 31, 2016.   
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: SR 228 on October 28, 2017, 06:25:50 PM
I'm excited about the improvements coming to SR-200 in Yulee. The road is being widened from 4 lanes to 6 lanes and as of now, there's a 6 lane section spanning a little bit east of US-17, and west of the railroad. There will also be a diamond diverging interchange to replace the interchange at I-95, which currently, FDOT is in the process of preparing. This is really helpful since traffic in Yulee is pretty bad at the moment, and SR-200 is our only "quick" way to I-95, this means I will get to drive on the DDI often once it's complete. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on October 28, 2017, 08:32:14 PM
Quote from: SR 228 on October 28, 2017, 06:25:50 PM
I'm excited about the improvements coming to SR-200 in Yulee. The road is being widened from 4 lanes to 6 lanes and as of now, there's a 6 lane section spanning a little bit east of US-17, and west of the railroad. There will also be a diamond diverging interchange to replace the interchange at I-95, which currently, FDOT is in the process of preparing. This is really helpful since traffic in Yulee is pretty bad at the moment, and SR-200 is our only "quick" way to I-95, this means I will get to drive on the DDI often once it's complete.
Back in 1990 when I started at UNF SR200/A1A was pretty empty between 95 and Amelia Island.. If I recall correctly the only traffic light was at US17 in Yulee.

So much out there now

Z981

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on October 31, 2017, 09:43:36 PM
Quote from: Alex on October 23, 2017, 05:28:48 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on October 22, 2017, 12:56:10 PM
Has US 17/92 in Sanford been relocated yet?

Not yet, drove both alignments in August and no sign changes.

And none as of October 19th, 2017
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on November 11, 2017, 03:54:18 PM
FL 39 is now officially on Alexander Street through Plant City.  No more two block concurrency with US 92 and no longer on Collins and Wheeler as well.

Old SR 39 north of I-4 is now SR 39A, but in Plant City itself its unnumbered.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4565/24418656248_52ced013f0_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 11, 2017, 05:36:33 PM
So old SR 39 north of I-4 went from SR 39 to CR 39 and now it's back in the state system as SR 39A? While Alexander went from SR 39A to SR 39?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on November 18, 2017, 04:16:46 PM
The new right side permanent ramps from I-4 W Bound to FL 435 (Kirkman Road) are now open.  No more exiting from the left to reach International Drive or the Lockheed- Martin Plant as its always been since I-4 first opened to traffic on or about 50 years ago.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 19, 2017, 10:07:14 PM
They inadvertently switched 75A and 75B westbound.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on December 02, 2017, 03:57:45 PM
Has anybody observed whether FDOT has taken over CR 470 and changed the signs to SR 470 between I-75 and the Turnpike?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: adventurernumber1 on December 03, 2017, 08:44:29 PM
Quote from: SR 228 on October 28, 2017, 06:25:50 PM
I'm excited about the improvements coming to SR-200 in Yulee. The road is being widened from 4 lanes to 6 lanes and as of now, there's a 6 lane section spanning a little bit east of US-17, and west of the railroad. There will also be a diamond diverging interchange to replace the interchange at I-95, which currently, FDOT is in the process of preparing. This is really helpful since traffic in Yulee is pretty bad at the moment, and SR-200 is our only "quick" way to I-95, this means I will get to drive on the DDI often once it's complete. :biggrin:

I am very excited about this as well!  :nod:  :hyper:  :thumbsup:

I have been to Fernandina Beach, Florida one time, back in October 2009, so I have been on all of FL SR 200 between I-95 and Amelia Island before. I highly enjoyed the drive. My memory of it isn't allowing me to remember the traffic situation of the road, but I just remembered enjoying the drive on it in general and the road itself, and the bridge from the mainland to the island. I think it is incredibly cool and needed that a DDI is coming to the I-95/SR-200 interchange, and that Florida Highway 200 is also being widened. While not having a clear memory myself of the traffic status on this road, I do still know well of how notorious this surface arterial is for its traffic problems, just from hearing it in the past from other roadgeeks and news - so this project does not surprise me one bit. I think it will indeed be very helpful, and I, too, cannot wait until it is finished - hopefully I'll be able to get back down to northeast Florida and see it in the future.  ;-)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 03, 2017, 09:46:04 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on December 02, 2017, 03:57:45 PM
Has anybody observed whether FDOT has taken over CR 470 and changed the signs to SR 470 between I-75 and the Turnpike?

That something new?  The GSV shows CR 470 shields as of 2016:

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.7492395,-82.0622837,3a,15y,232.49h,88.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEeFmnbme1ljIX1IkEUUu-g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on December 04, 2017, 04:30:38 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 03, 2017, 09:46:04 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on December 02, 2017, 03:57:45 PM
Has anybody observed whether FDOT has taken over CR 470 and changed the signs to SR 470 between I-75 and the Turnpike?

That something new?  The GSV shows CR 470 shields as of 2016:

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.7492395,-82.0622837,3a,15y,232.49h,88.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEeFmnbme1ljIX1IkEUUu-g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Yes. The county and FDOT are swapping that road in exchange for the remainder of SR 48.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 04, 2017, 07:57:33 AM
Quote from: emory on December 04, 2017, 04:30:38 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 03, 2017, 09:46:04 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on December 02, 2017, 03:57:45 PM
Has anybody observed whether FDOT has taken over CR 470 and changed the signs to SR 470 between I-75 and the Turnpike?

That something new?  The GSV shows CR 470 shields as of 2016:

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.7492395,-82.0622837,3a,15y,232.49h,88.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEeFmnbme1ljIX1IkEUUu-g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Yes. The county and FDOT are swapping that road in exchange for the remainder of SR 48.

Makes sense, I'm sure FDOT has been looking to get rid of that tiny slice of FL 48 that was left in Bushnell.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on December 04, 2017, 09:50:32 AM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on December 03, 2017, 08:44:29 PM
Quote from: SR 228 on October 28, 2017, 06:25:50 PM
I'm excited about the improvements coming to SR-200 in Yulee. The road is being widened from 4 lanes to 6 lanes and as of now, there's a 6 lane section spanning a little bit east of US-17, and west of the railroad. There will also be a diamond diverging interchange to replace the interchange at I-95, which currently, FDOT is in the process of preparing. This is really helpful since traffic in Yulee is pretty bad at the moment, and SR-200 is our only "quick" way to I-95, this means I will get to drive on the DDI often once it's complete. :biggrin:

I am very excited about this as well!  :nod:  :hyper:  :thumbsup:

With the almost endless project to fix the I-10/U.S. 301 interchange at Baldwin (plus traffic on I-10/I-295/I-95 around Jacksonville), the Baldwin to I-95 via U.S. 301/FL 200 route is becoming more and more popular. Improvements at Yulee can only make this shortcut better, compounded by the eventual completion of the Baldwin bypass. Next on the list, after finally completing the Stark bypass (winter of 2018, which means another year of bad traffic through town) should be bypasses around the other speed traps on 301 between I-10 and I-75 at Zuber.

As an aside, has anyone tried FL 24 west from Waldo to Gainesville, then FL 331 around/through the city to reach I-75 further north? Plugging in Baldwin and I-75 at exit 358, Google shows it being about 3 miles and 3 minutes longer, but one still has to go through Stark. Google also shows an option to take I-10 west to exit 335, then take FL 121 south to Worthington Springs and County Road 239 just south of there, then pick up FL 235 to Alachua and U.S. 441 to reach I-75. It is about 10 miles and 10 minutes longer but does avoid Stark.

Bruce in Blacksburg (who has Apollo Beach as a regular destination)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on December 04, 2017, 03:18:11 PM
Quote from: VTGoose on December 04, 2017, 09:50:32 AM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on December 03, 2017, 08:44:29 PM
Quote from: SR 228 on October 28, 2017, 06:25:50 PM
I'm excited about the improvements coming to SR-200 in Yulee. The road is being widened from 4 lanes to 6 lanes and as of now, there's a 6 lane section spanning a little bit east of US-17, and west of the railroad. There will also be a diamond diverging interchange to replace the interchange at I-95, which currently, FDOT is in the process of preparing. This is really helpful since traffic in Yulee is pretty bad at the moment, and SR-200 is our only "quick" way to I-95, this means I will get to drive on the DDI often once it's complete.

I am very excited about this as well!  :nod:  :hyper: 

With the almost endless project to fix the I-10/U.S. 301 interchange at Baldwin (plus traffic on I-10/I-295/I-95 around Jacksonville), the Baldwin to I-95 via U.S. 301/FL 200 route is becoming more and more popular. Improvements at Yulee can only make this shortcut better, compounded by the eventual completion of the Baldwin bypass. Next on the list, after finally completing the Stark bypass (winter of 2018, which means another year of bad traffic through town) should be bypasses around the other speed traps on 301 between I-10 and I-75 at Zuber.

As an aside, has anyone tried FL 24 west from Waldo to Gainesville, then FL 331 around/through the city to reach I-75 further north? Plugging in Baldwin and I-75 at exit 358, Google shows it being about 3 miles and 3 minutes longer, but one still has to go through Stark. Google also shows an option to take I-10 west to exit 335, then take FL 121 south to Worthington Springs and County Road 239 just south of there, then pick up FL 235 to Alachua and U.S. 441 to reach I-75. It is about 10 miles and 10 minutes longer but does avoid Stark.

Bruce in Blacksburg (who has Apollo Beach as a regular destination)
SR 24/331/121 combo from 301 to 75 isn bad.. from Gainesville airport to i75 had a few traffic lights that are not timed well..  staying on 301 to 326 is better.

BTW Waldo police department was disbanded. No longer the speed trap it once was. Alachua County SAD patrols but they don't have speed traps like before

121 is a 60mph speed limit 2 lane road for most part. Very little traffic, but it takes longer than 301.

Another option that will be opening fully soon is the SR 23 connection from I-10 to SR 21 in Middleburg..23 will have a 70 mph speed limit but it will have a toll.. once on 21 you could take that to SR 26 then to 301 .. it avoids Starke and Waldo and it's a mostly straight 60 mph 2 lane road.. it slows through Middleburg and Keystone Heights but neither town is too is too bad. Both are patrolled by Clay County SD, so no local yokel PD making money to cover the town budget.  ( For those hyper literal among us.. Middleburg is unincorporated no need to point it out)

Z981
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on December 04, 2017, 03:44:57 PM
Quote from: emory on December 04, 2017, 04:30:38 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 03, 2017, 09:46:04 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on December 02, 2017, 03:57:45 PM
Has anybody observed whether FDOT has taken over CR 470 and changed the signs to SR 470 between I-75 and the Turnpike?

That something new?  The GSV shows CR 470 shields as of 2016:

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.7492395,-82.0622837,3a,15y,232.49h,88.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEeFmnbme1ljIX1IkEUUu-g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Yes. The county and FDOT are swapping that road in exchange for the remainder of SR 48.

Drove on it recently (within the past couple of months) and its still shielded as CR 470 between I-75 and U.S. 301. Plus I drove I-75 through there this past Saturday and there are still pentagons at the ends of the ramp. I honestly think that the contractors placing the updated signs along that stretch of I-75 jumped the gun in going ahead and assigning that with the state designation. There is only a preliminary study complete on the widening recommendations along that portion of the corridor with no definitive date set.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on December 04, 2017, 03:54:53 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on December 04, 2017, 03:18:11 PM
Quote from: VTGoose on December 04, 2017, 09:50:32 AM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on December 03, 2017, 08:44:29 PM
Quote from: SR 228 on October 28, 2017, 06:25:50 PM
I'm excited about the improvements coming to SR-200 in Yulee. The road is being widened from 4 lanes to 6 lanes and as of now, there's a 6 lane section spanning a little bit east of US-17, and west of the railroad. There will also be a diamond diverging interchange to replace the interchange at I-95, which currently, FDOT is in the process of preparing. This is really helpful since traffic in Yulee is pretty bad at the moment, and SR-200 is our only "quick" way to I-95, this means I will get to drive on the DDI often once it's complete.

I am very excited about this as well!  :nod:  :hyper: 

With the almost endless project to fix the I-10/U.S. 301 interchange at Baldwin (plus traffic on I-10/I-295/I-95 around Jacksonville), the Baldwin to I-95 via U.S. 301/FL 200 route is becoming more and more popular. Improvements at Yulee can only make this shortcut better, compounded by the eventual completion of the Baldwin bypass. Next on the list, after finally completing the Stark bypass (winter of 2018, which means another year of bad traffic through town) should be bypasses around the other speed traps on 301 between I-10 and I-75 at Zuber.

As an aside, has anyone tried FL 24 west from Waldo to Gainesville, then FL 331 around/through the city to reach I-75 further north? Plugging in Baldwin and I-75 at exit 358, Google shows it being about 3 miles and 3 minutes longer, but one still has to go through Stark. Google also shows an option to take I-10 west to exit 335, then take FL 121 south to Worthington Springs and County Road 239 just south of there, then pick up FL 235 to Alachua and U.S. 441 to reach I-75. It is about 10 miles and 10 minutes longer but does avoid Stark.

Bruce in Blacksburg (who has Apollo Beach as a regular destination)
SR 24/331/121 combo from 301 to 75 isn bad.. from Gainesville airport to i75 had a few traffic lights that are not timed well..  staying on 301 to 326 is better.

BTW Waldo police department was disbanded. No longer the speed trap it once was. Alachua County SAD patrols but they don't have speed traps like before

121 is a 60mph speed limit 2 lane road for most part. Very little traffic, but it takes longer than 301.

Another option that will be opening fully soon is the SR 23 connection from I-10 to SR 21 in Middleburg..23 will have a 70 mph speed limit but it will have a toll.. once on 21 you could take that to SR 26 then to 301 .. it avoids Starke and Waldo and it's a mostly straight 60 mph 2 lane road.. it slows through Middleburg and Keystone Heights but neither town is too is too bad. Both are patrolled by Clay County SD, so no local yokel PD making money to cover the town budget.  ( For those hyper literal among us.. Middleburg is unincorporated no need to point it out)

Z981


Avoid heading west through Gainesville (towards I-75) from 4-6pm on weekdays. You shall not pass.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 05, 2017, 12:08:02 PM
SR 44 in New Smyrna Beach seems to now have a gap between the North Causeway and SR A1A at Live Oak and Lytle Streets near Downtown.
Apparently New Smyrna Beach wants Canal Street east of US 1 to be in their control so they can have a 20 mph speed limit in their small business district.  Would not it be better to just decommission SR A1A altogether in New Smyrna Beach and leave only the county portions signed and let SR 44 continue over the South Causeway and end at Atlantic Avenue.

To me IMO that part of A1A is a waste as it just ends across the Indian River and the rest into Canaveral NS is a long dead end road.  It would seem most logical to just resign it all and even create a new route number on the north causeway orphaned from the rest of the state system.

What brings this is the fact I was there yesterday and figured out the confusing signage east of US 1.  Well actually with the help of another geek and Wikipedia.  Nonetheless its very ambiguous at its east end.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on December 05, 2017, 01:13:21 PM
I haven't been there in years.  I recall that there was a Business SR 44 in the area as well.  What is the routing of SR 44 in the area?  What is the routing for SR A1A?  When does it turn into CR A1A?  Does SR 44 Business still exist?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on December 05, 2017, 03:08:55 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 05, 2017, 12:08:02 PM
SR 44 in New Smyrna Beach seems to now have a gap between the North Causeway and SR A1A at Live Oak and Lytle Streets near Downtown.
Apparently New Smyrna Beach wants Canal Street east of US 1 to be in their control so they can have a 20 mph speed limit in their small business district.  Would not it be better to just decommission SR A1A altogether in New Smyrna Beach and leave only the county portions signed and let SR 44 continue over the South Causeway and end at Atlantic Avenue.

To me IMO that part of A1A is a waste as it just ends across the Indian River and the rest into Canaveral NS is a long dead end road.  It would seem most logical to just resign it all and even create a new route number on the north causeway orphaned from the rest of the state system.

What brings this is the fact I was there yesterday and figured out the confusing signage east of US 1.  Well actually with the help of another geek and Wikipedia.  Nonetheless its very ambiguous at its east end.

Or better yet, just go ahead and multiplex it with US 1 between New Smyrna and Cocoa and be done with it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on December 06, 2017, 10:21:06 PM
Very odd County Line/ City Limit combo sign on SB US 17/92 at SR 414 (Maitland):
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6398922,-81.3570197,3a,31.3y,233.57h,85.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3yrZH7VNstmdOfq32QuRqQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6398922,-81.3570197,3a,31.3y,233.57h,85.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3yrZH7VNstmdOfq32QuRqQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on December 07, 2017, 01:48:42 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on December 05, 2017, 01:13:21 PM
I haven't been there in years.  I recall that there was a Business SR 44 in the area as well.  What is the routing of SR 44 in the area?  What is the routing for SR A1A?  When does it turn into CR A1A?  Does SR 44 Business still exist?

It's been gapped for a while now. SR 44 Business heads down Canal Street and terminates at US 1. SR 44 temporarily ends at the bridge over US 1 where SR A1A southbound begins. The final segment of SR 44 is over the North Causeway.

(https://i.imgur.com/yjP1ZJD.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/Stwqqly.png)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on December 07, 2017, 09:29:18 AM
Quote from: emory on December 07, 2017, 01:48:42 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on December 05, 2017, 01:13:21 PM
I haven't been there in years.  I recall that there was a Business SR 44 in the area as well.  What is the routing of SR 44 in the area?  What is the routing for SR A1A?  When does it turn into CR A1A?  Does SR 44 Business still exist?

It's been gapped for a while now. SR 44 Business heads down Canal Street and terminates at US 1. SR 44 temporarily ends at the bridge over US 1 where SR A1A southbound begins. The final segment of SR 44 is over the North Causeway.

(https://i.imgur.com/yjP1ZJD.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/Stwqqly.png)

Where does that map come from? Looks like its for internal FDOT use
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: CanesFan27 on December 07, 2017, 12:30:41 PM
It's events like these that make me want to get back into running.

10k over the Skyway bridge.

https://events.com/r/en_US/registration/skyway-10k--sunshine-skyway-bridge-run-st-petersburg-march-730181
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 07, 2017, 02:12:20 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on December 07, 2017, 09:29:18 AM
Where does that map come from? Looks like its for internal FDOT use
http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/Straight-linesOnlineGIS/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on December 07, 2017, 10:34:21 PM
How was it routes prior to the gap?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on December 14, 2017, 10:58:31 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on December 07, 2017, 10:34:21 PM
How was it routes prior to the gap?

1948, SR 40 (original SR 44 through New Smyrna Beach) was routed up Canal to US 1. US 1 came south on Dixie Freeway, east on Canal, south on Magnolia. SR A1A went across the South Causeway to around its current eastern terminus.

By 1955, SR 40 was added as an 'orphan route' across the North Causeway. Alignments of 1948 map still remain the same for the other roads.

By 1960, US 1 is on its current route through New Smyrna Beach. SR A1A still has a west terminus at Magnolia Street (Magnolia is no longer state maintained in this edition). SR 44 has now been switched with SR 40, and 44 now is extended east of US 1 to Magnolia, and also shielded across the North Causeway.

1972 map still has same alignments as 1960 map.

1974 has SR 44 continuous through downtown New Smyrna Beach, connecting all the way to Peninsula Drive. SR A1A has been extended west to US 1 on a surface street.

1977 is the same as 1974.

By 1981, Lytle Ave has been built. Neither Canal, nor Lytle are shielded with 44 or Business 44, but Canal is still under state maintenance through downtown.

Some time between 1985 and 1993, Canal and Riverside were given to local maintenance and we are stuck with the current situation.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on December 15, 2017, 09:49:05 PM
US 17 being re-routed in Zolfo Springs:
https://www.google.com/maps/@27.4925995,-81.7959003,1606m/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@27.4925995,-81.7959003,1606m/data=!3m1!1e3)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on December 18, 2017, 07:01:39 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on December 15, 2017, 09:49:05 PM
US 17 being re-routed in Zolfo Springs:
https://www.google.com/maps/@27.4925995,-81.7959003,1606m/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@27.4925995,-81.7959003,1606m/data=!3m1!1e3)

I wonder what happens to the old route. US 17 Business/SR 35, just SR 35, or relinquishment to the city.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on December 19, 2017, 09:18:24 PM
Quote from: emory on December 18, 2017, 07:01:39 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on December 15, 2017, 09:49:05 PM
US 17 being re-routed in Zolfo Springs:
https://www.google.com/maps/@27.4925995,-81.7959003,1606m/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@27.4925995,-81.7959003,1606m/data=!3m1!1e3)

I wonder what happens to the old route. US 17 Business/SR 35, just SR 35, or relinquishment to the city.

The old alignment will more than likely be turned over to local control and will not be numbered. By the way, drove through here the weekend after Thanksgiving and noticed that this new alignment is being done in concrete, not asphalt. The new alignment should also truncate SR 66 by one block.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 21, 2017, 06:19:12 PM
US 17 was already turned into one way pairs in both Arcadia and I believe Wakula where they added another alignment on one side and made the original one way.

Lake Alfred and even Homerville, GA did that to eliminate taking property away. 

I am surprised they did not do that here either.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on December 22, 2017, 10:48:42 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 21, 2017, 06:19:12 PM
US 17 was already turned into one way pairs in both Arcadia and I believe Wakula where they added another alignment on one side and made the original one way.

Lake Alfred and even Homerville, GA did that to eliminate taking property away. 

I am surprised they did not do that here either.

If they transfer the old alignment to the city, this will actually be the fourth instance of a newly erected bypass route gapping State Road 35. They did this already in Bartow, Lakeland and Dade City.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 25, 2017, 09:33:36 PM
In Bartow, SR 60 when it was signed Business, I believe it was on the books as SR 60 proper.  The mainline Bypass (the only alignment now) was written as SR 60A.  So if they did not amend it the road will be gapped.


On another note, I-4 at Exit 75 now is opened a new EB alignment eliminating the left hand side exit going that way.  So no more left exits at Kirkman Road.  Only the WB OBT ramp is still on the left as even South Street (both off and on) have been closed for a long time now, so Exit 80 is the last until its new ramps and freeway alignments are completed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 01, 2018, 05:33:07 PM
http://www.cflroads.com/project/418403-3/SR_600_US_17_92_FROM_PLEASANT_HILL_RD_TO_PORTAGE_ST
http://www.aroundosceola.com/john-young-parkway-widening-projected-to-finish-late-may-2018/

Months behind schedule John Young Parkway will be completed in the Spring of 2018 with its widening from Portage Street to US 192.  This is only the beginning though.

Finally improvements are coming to Kissimmee along US 17 & 92.  The intersection with Pleasant Hill Road that has been a traffic nightmare for motorists due to sprawl in Osceola County is getting some relief with parts of US 17 & 92 being widened from 4 to 6 lanes as well as a partial flyover at Pleasant Hill allowing SB US 17 & WB US 92 traffic to free flow over the intersection to SB Pleasant Hill Road.

Hopefully this will make travel there a bit easier.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on January 02, 2018, 01:38:42 PM
It wasn't that long ago that Orange Blossom Trail was 2 lanes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 03, 2018, 02:19:56 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 02, 2018, 01:38:42 PM
It wasn't that long ago that Orange Blossom Trail was 2 lanes.
Per direction.   It was four from Kissimmee all the way to Lake County.  Unless you mean the orphaned part in Osceola through Campbell City.  Yes that was two lanes and widened to just beyond where the imaginary line for Campbell City is I believe in the late 90's or even earlier.  It had an old style bridge over Shingle Creek and it narrowed down to two lanes after the CSX overpass. 

Of course most of that was called Bermuda Avenue as the JYP name came after Orange County connected their segment to Osceola's.  The name was made changed by both Kissimmee and Osceola County to keep continuity in names rather than it be JYP in Orange and Bermuda in Osceola.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on January 12, 2018, 02:44:34 PM
Google maps has SR AIA marked along the Overseas Highway in Marathon.
https://www.google.com/maps/@24.7092426,-81.1026458,16z (https://www.google.com/maps/@24.7092426,-81.1026458,16z)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 14, 2018, 02:43:34 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 12, 2018, 02:44:34 PM
Google maps has SR AIA marked along the Overseas Highway in Marathon.
https://www.google.com/maps/@24.7092426,-81.1026458,16z (https://www.google.com/maps/@24.7092426,-81.1026458,16z)

Yeah it'll do that sometimes. SR A1A is definitely not part of US 1 on the Overseas Highway.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on January 15, 2018, 01:14:11 PM
Short ONE WAY pair being undone in Oviedo (I've known this was going to be done for a while):
https://www.facebook.com/MyFDOTCFL/photos/a.423891554419803.1073741828.386196811522611/1083941015081517/?type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/MyFDOTCFL/photos/a.423891554419803.1073741828.386196811522611/1083941015081517/?type=3&theater)

US 27 Construction N of CR 474 to Lake Louisa (This section had been in poor condition by Florida standards) The temporary configuration is better than what you see in Texas, they just need to learn how to remove the one way signs at T Junctions when theres two way traffic:

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4042261,-81.698085,3a,17.7y,346.26h,87.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smPqiXKi84mvUgorlCZXykg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4042261,-81.698085,3a,17.7y,346.26h,87.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smPqiXKi84mvUgorlCZXykg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4227095,-81.7081953,3a,75y,189.63h,79.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1so6dylAM8bqt4CENwa2CZ2w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4227095,-81.7081953,3a,75y,189.63h,79.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1so6dylAM8bqt4CENwa2CZ2w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 15, 2018, 02:49:25 PM
One lane each way?  This usually a PennDOT thing.

I take this is the last rural stretch between US 192 and SR 50.  Sucks as how a rural four lane highway at 65 mph could become a suburban arterial just overnight.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 15, 2018, 11:53:14 PM
That whole area between US 192 and SR 50 needs more frontage roads, and possibly even some interchanges. You always have to slam on the brakes every time somebody in front of you tries to go into a shopping center or cluster development or church perched on top of some damn hill.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on January 16, 2018, 04:56:09 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 15, 2018, 02:49:25 PM
One lane each way?  This usually a PennDOT thing.

I take this is the last rural stretch between US 192 and SR 50.  Sucks as how a rural four lane highway at 65 mph could become a suburban arterial just overnight.
I was talking about that with my parents  last night. We stayed at a hotel at i4 and us 27 when we went to Disney one year... It was around Easter and I remember the smell of orange blossoms, oranges groves as far as you could see... Now it's housing, Walmart and Publix every where

It was almost interstate traffic flow

Z981
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 16, 2018, 06:20:41 AM
Palm Beach County is requesting FDOT take over maintenance of the under construction SR 7 north of Okeechobee Blvd/SR 704 to its proposed terminus at Northlake Blvd/CR 809A.

In exchange, they're requesting FDOT relinquish the entirety of SR 850 on Northlake Blvd, as well as the portion of Powerline Road/SR 845 from the Hillsboro Canal at the county line to Glades Road/SR 808.

http://www.pbcgov.com/pubInf/Agenda/20171219/3C2.pdf
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 17, 2018, 12:42:25 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 16, 2018, 04:56:09 AM
I was talking about that with my parents  last night. We stayed at a hotel at i4 and us 27 when we went to Disney one year... It was around Easter and I remember the smell of orange blossoms, oranges groves as far as you could see... Now it's housing, Walmart and Publix every where
Yes, the loss of a lot of orange groves is quite disturbing, and that's coming from somebody who doesn't even like oranges that much. I'll bet the housing developments behind Walt Disney World were once loaded with them.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on January 17, 2018, 01:11:11 PM
They were loaded with them.  That area was rural around Disney not so long ago.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on January 17, 2018, 03:44:28 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 17, 2018, 12:42:25 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 16, 2018, 04:56:09 AM
I was talking about that with my parents  last night. We stayed at a hotel at i4 and us 27 when we went to Disney one year... It was around Easter and I remember the smell of orange blossoms, oranges groves as far as you could see... Now it's housing, Walmart and Publix every where
Yes, the loss of a lot of orange groves is quite disturbing, and that's coming from somebody who doesn't even like oranges that much. I'll bet the housing developments behind Walt Disney World were once loaded with them.
Some of the loss of citrus is because of disease too.. I can't recall the name .. they even made homeowners cut down citrus trees to stop the speed of the disease

Z981

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on January 17, 2018, 07:35:14 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 17, 2018, 03:44:28 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 17, 2018, 12:42:25 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 16, 2018, 04:56:09 AM
I was talking about that with my parents  last night. We stayed at a hotel at i4 and us 27 when we went to Disney one year... It was around Easter and I remember the smell of orange blossoms, oranges groves as far as you could see... Now it's housing, Walmart and Publix every where
Yes, the loss of a lot of orange groves is quite disturbing, and that's coming from somebody who doesn't even like oranges that much. I'll bet the housing developments behind Walt Disney World were once loaded with them.
Some of the loss of citrus is because of disease too.. I can't recall the name .. they even made homeowners cut down citrus trees to stop the speed of the disease

Z981



Canker.

The majority of the remaining groves on the Space Coast are on KSC property (leaseback property), with some groves on Merritt Island.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 18, 2018, 09:22:11 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 17, 2018, 01:11:11 PM
They were loaded with them.  That area was rural around Disney not so long ago.
I have an aunt and uncle who live in one of them now. They often watch the fireworks show from their lanai when they don't go there themselves.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on January 18, 2018, 02:06:49 PM
Well at least US 441 south of Saint Cloud is still rural.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: adventurernumber1 on January 18, 2018, 03:10:31 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 18, 2018, 02:06:49 PM
Well at least US 441 south of Saint Cloud is still rural.

At this rate, it probably won't be for much longer.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 18, 2018, 03:25:00 PM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on January 18, 2018, 03:10:31 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 18, 2018, 02:06:49 PM
Well at least US 441 south of Saint Cloud is still rural.

At this rate, it probably won't be for much longer.


There's not much reason to live down there. There's nothing yet in Holopaw, and even less south of that. About a decade ago, there was some crazy proposal to develop something like 20 square miles of farmland near Yeehaw Junction, famous for being absolutely nothing near nobody nor near anything (even the US Census Bureau messed up the headcount in 2000). But of course, it fell though with all the parties suing each other.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on January 18, 2018, 04:09:57 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 18, 2018, 03:25:00 PM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on January 18, 2018, 03:10:31 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 18, 2018, 02:06:49 PM
Well at least US 441 south of Saint Cloud is still rural.

At this rate, it probably won't be for much longer.


There's not much reason to live down there. There's nothing yet in Holopaw, and even less south of that. About a decade ago, there was some crazy proposal to develop something like 20 square miles of farmland near Yeehaw Junction, famous for being absolutely nothing near nobody nor near anything (even the US Census Bureau messed up the headcount in 2000). But of course, it fell though with all the parties suing each other.
Really they were going to develop Yeehaw Junction.  That is crazy.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: adventurernumber1 on January 18, 2018, 05:15:08 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 18, 2018, 03:25:00 PM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on January 18, 2018, 03:10:31 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 18, 2018, 02:06:49 PM
Well at least US 441 south of Saint Cloud is still rural.

At this rate, it probably won't be for much longer.


There's not much reason to live down there. There's nothing yet in Holopaw, and even less south of that. About a decade ago, there was some crazy proposal to develop something like 20 square miles of farmland near Yeehaw Junction, famous for being absolutely nothing near nobody nor near anything (even the US Census Bureau messed up the headcount in 2000). But of course, it fell though with all the parties suing each other.

Wow, I can't believe there were plans to do that in the Yeehaw Junction area. But yeah, I guess there's not much reason to live in the rural land directly south/southeast of St. Cloud. I think I was just expecting Orlando sprawl to just keep going on and on in growth, spreading out, despite that, due to the current rate. It's definitely interesting to see rural land rapidly develop into suburban land, and it can happen pretty fast.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 18, 2018, 06:50:26 PM
I think it was to be called Destiny, Florida (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destiny,_Florida). And it was to be approximately 60 square miles. I guess Ave Maria was able to spring forth from nothing but Domino's Pizza money, so anything's possible. With Destin becoming a growing area, maybe another name is in order.

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8484/29954427185_d53c547721_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MCYgB8)

Meanwhile, who would have thought a ginormous, middle-of-nowhere land proposal in Florida could go pear-shaped? :popcorn:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: chays on January 19, 2018, 12:58:48 AM
Back in December I discovered a staging area for a ton of signage for area construction, mostly for the I-4 Ultimate project.  It is located at this lot (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.8055603,-81.3221907,85m/data=!3m1!1e3) at the corner of Specialty Point and Upsala Rd, in Sanford, FL, in case anyone wants to visit.  The signs below are gone, but I drove by the other day and there were a fresh batch of different ones...I'll try to get some pics.

All seemed to be for the I-4 Ultimate project except the Ocala 1 Mile one.  I'm not sure where that one will go exactly.  The trailers had markings: INTERSTATESIGNWAYS.COM  7415 LINDSEY RD LITTLE ROCK, AR 72206 (501) 490-4242

Give me a shout if you plan on visiting, I'll try to make sure there is something there still.

(https://i.imgur.com/vBz6H3m.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/yY8oto6.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/plRbI7V.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on January 19, 2018, 05:33:49 PM
Cool photos to see of what's to come on the I-4 project! By the way, the Ocala 1 mile sign will be for the Florida's Turnpike interchange :-P

I looked at their website, and see they are the same contractor that has done Disney World signage, as well as some of the Clearview signs found along area toll roads.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on January 19, 2018, 06:38:24 PM
I thought the Florida's Turnpike was intended to have limited access.  If they keep building more access why pay to use it?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 19, 2018, 07:25:00 PM
I am glad to see FDOT is adding Apopka to the Maitland Blvd exit as that makes more sense than SR 436 with all its stop and go.    Signing Casselberry instead of Apopka there would be more feasible.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: wriddle082 on January 19, 2018, 09:48:14 PM
Here's a general FL question, seeing as I have been working in Orlando and Tampa the past 3 weeks...

Is it me, or has pavement quality really been going downhill?  Especially along most of I-95 from Daytona to Jacksonville, and portions of I-4 from Tampa to Orlando.  I know the pavement is absolutely horrible through the I-4 Ultimate project bounds, as well as the I-4/I-95 interchange rebuild in Daytona, and that's understandable (and don't get me started on all the abrubt lane shifts!).  But the work zones around Jacksonville didn't seem to have pavement near as bad.

I guess what I'm wondering is whether or not FDOT's budget is pretty much blown on preventative maintenance in favor of nothing but new construction?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: lordsutch on January 21, 2018, 02:37:34 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 19, 2018, 06:38:24 PM
I thought the Florida's Turnpike was intended to have limited access.  If they keep building more access why pay to use it?

It's not like all the traffic has to stop at every interchange...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 23, 2018, 05:20:27 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 19, 2018, 06:38:24 PM
I thought the Florida's Turnpike was intended to have limited access.  If they keep building more access why pay to use it?

There's not really a freeway alternative to its northwest-southeast routing.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 23, 2018, 08:29:47 AM
Quote from: emory on January 23, 2018, 05:20:27 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 19, 2018, 06:38:24 PM
I thought the Florida's Turnpike was intended to have limited access.  If they keep building more access why pay to use it?

There's not really a freeway alternative to its northwest-southeast routing.

In general there has been a lack of access from routes where there should have been.  417 was a huge example of this until recently.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 25, 2018, 10:55:32 PM
Well if you added an interchange where the FL Turnpike intersects Sand Lake Road you would have more locals use the turnpike to go between Sand Lake and I-4 or Sand Lake to SR 528 and such.

The Turnpike is good the way it is.  To add exits at SR 417 and the 408 west extension and of course 429 was good as they were major roads that do carry access amounts.

The new Minneola interchange is far enough west of Oakland to not be a worry.  Kissimmee Park in St. Cloud is okay cause of the 47 miles further to Highway 60 at Yeehaw.   Even when the Southport Connector interchanges with the Turnpike it will have gaps on both ends as well as that should interchange several miles south of St. Cloud and still many miles north of Yeehaw.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 26, 2018, 04:58:49 AM
The SR 48/CR 470 swap in Sumter County (no word on Lake) is still in progress, according to a recent meeting summary. https://www.sumtercountyfl.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Item/10949?fileID=25282
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 26, 2018, 07:37:09 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 25, 2018, 10:55:32 PM
Well if you added an interchange where the FL Turnpike intersects Sand Lake Road you would have more locals use the turnpike to go between Sand Lake and I-4 or Sand Lake to SR 528 and such.

The Turnpike is good the way it is.  To add exits at SR 417 and the 408 west extension and of course 429 was good as they were major roads that do carry access amounts.

The new Minneola interchange is far enough west of Oakland to not be a worry.  Kissimmee Park in St. Cloud is okay cause of the 47 miles further to Highway 60 at Yeehaw.   Even when the Southport Connector interchanges with the Turnpike it will have gaps on both ends as well as that should interchange several miles south of St. Cloud and still many miles north of Yeehaw.

I always felt like CR 523/Canoe Creek was a strange omission near Kenansville.  A lot of of people live on CR 523 or use it as an RV destination.  It is kind of a pain in the ass to dip under the Turnpike twice just to know you have zero access unless you are willing to slog down to FL 60 or US 192/441.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 26, 2018, 09:20:53 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 26, 2018, 07:37:09 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 25, 2018, 10:55:32 PM
Well if you added an interchange where the FL Turnpike intersects Sand Lake Road you would have more locals use the turnpike to go between Sand Lake and I-4 or Sand Lake to SR 528 and such.

The Turnpike is good the way it is.  To add exits at SR 417 and the 408 west extension and of course 429 was good as they were major roads that do carry access amounts.

The new Minneola interchange is far enough west of Oakland to not be a worry.  Kissimmee Park in St. Cloud is okay cause of the 47 miles further to Highway 60 at Yeehaw.   Even when the Southport Connector interchanges with the Turnpike it will have gaps on both ends as well as that should interchange several miles south of St. Cloud and still many miles north of Yeehaw.

I always felt like CR 523/Canoe Creek was a strange omission near Kenansville.  A lot of of people live on CR 523 or use it as an RV destination.  It is kind of a pain in the ass to dip under the Turnpike twice just to know you have zero access unless you are willing to slog down to FL 60 or US 192/441.

Twenty-five years ago, I think there wasn't much south of St. Cloud to warrant an exit, though it's been built up with housing a bit more since. I guess the response to that was the SunPass-only 2-movement exit at Kissimmee Park Road about 10 years ago. I suppose too many people would shunpike the Three Lakes Plaza if there was access from CR 523.

(Shhhh...After a few miles south of US 192, Canoe Creek Road is a semi-scenic alternative to some of the Turnpike's dullest moments.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 26, 2018, 09:39:29 AM
Quote from: formulanone on January 26, 2018, 09:20:53 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 26, 2018, 07:37:09 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 25, 2018, 10:55:32 PM
Well if you added an interchange where the FL Turnpike intersects Sand Lake Road you would have more locals use the turnpike to go between Sand Lake and I-4 or Sand Lake to SR 528 and such.

The Turnpike is good the way it is.  To add exits at SR 417 and the 408 west extension and of course 429 was good as they were major roads that do carry access amounts.

The new Minneola interchange is far enough west of Oakland to not be a worry.  Kissimmee Park in St. Cloud is okay cause of the 47 miles further to Highway 60 at Yeehaw.   Even when the Southport Connector interchanges with the Turnpike it will have gaps on both ends as well as that should interchange several miles south of St. Cloud and still many miles north of Yeehaw.

I always felt like CR 523/Canoe Creek was a strange omission near Kenansville.  A lot of of people live on CR 523 or use it as an RV destination.  It is kind of a pain in the ass to dip under the Turnpike twice just to know you have zero access unless you are willing to slog down to FL 60 or US 192/441.

Twenty-five years ago, I think there wasn't much south of St. Cloud to warrant an exit, though it's been built up with housing a bit more since. I guess the response to that was the SunPass-only 2-movement exit at Kissimmee Park Road about 10 years ago. I suppose too many people would shunpike the Three Lakes Plaza if there was access from CR 523.

(Shhhh...After a few miles south of US 192, Canoe Creek Road is a semi-scenic alternative to some of the Turnpike's dullest moments.)

Usually I'd dip off the Turnpike coming home from work trips in Miami either to take US 441 all the way to US 192 or dip off on CR 523.  You can really open it up on CR 523 once you cross under the Turnpike the first time, really it is just a curvy well maintained rancher road.  I always dug the Old Florida feel of Kenansville, it kind of has a look to it like it belonged in some far flung gold rush boom town.

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3899/33269398775_4657384b05_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SFUnaH)IMG_3945 (https://flic.kr/p/SFUnaH) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

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Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 27, 2018, 07:56:10 PM
I prefer CR 523 over US 441 too.  US 441 is booooring!  Even more so than the Turnpike in many places.  I think FDOT ill has US 441 at 55 mph where Osceola County keeps the rural parts south of St. Cloud on Canoe Creek Road at 60 mph.

However, FHP does not patrol those two routes and I am sure you can get away with doing 70 or 75 mph due to lack of usage.  According to my brother in law who used to be a deputy in Osceola County he says only SR 60 the cops set traps on it due to its high usage, but he assured me that on 441 no one will bother you much.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 27, 2018, 08:14:35 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 27, 2018, 07:56:10 PM
I prefer CR 523 over US 441 too.  US 441 is booooring!  Even more so than the Turnpike in many places.  I think FDOT ill has US 441 at 55 mph where Osceola County keeps the rural parts south of St. Cloud on Canoe Creek Road at 60 mph.

However, FHP does not patrol those two routes and I am sure you can get away with doing 70 or 75 mph due to lack of usage.  According to my brother in law who used to be a deputy in Osceola County he says only SR 60 the cops set traps on it due to its high usage, but he assured me that on 441 no one will bother you much.

There is a couple old rail sidings between Holopaw and Yeehaw Junction on 441 that have some stray ruins to be found.  If you're a rail fan and like to track down abandoned lines there is certainly something there...but that's digging deep.  Usually I just went 67-68 MPH through that stretch.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 27, 2018, 08:35:39 PM
What really sucks now is the fact the four way stop at the intersection of FL 60 and US 441 now has a traffic signal.  I used to like the alternate red flashers there and it left that intersection still out in the days of old.   The new signal makes the area look a little too modern.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on January 30, 2018, 01:11:45 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 27, 2018, 08:35:39 PM
What really sucks now is the fact the four way stop at the intersection of FL 60 and US 441 now has a traffic signal.  I used to like the alternate red flashers there and it left that intersection still out in the days of old.   The new signal makes the area look a little too modern.
When was the traffic signal put in?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 30, 2018, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 30, 2018, 01:11:45 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 27, 2018, 08:35:39 PM
What really sucks now is the fact the four way stop at the intersection of FL 60 and US 441 now has a traffic signal.  I used to like the alternate red flashers there and it left that intersection still out in the days of old.   The new signal makes the area look a little too modern.
When was the traffic signal put in?

At least 2012.

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8570/29954428545_487a30883f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MCYh1z)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 31, 2018, 04:33:56 PM
New sign on northbound Krome Avenue near Palm Drive:

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4764/39967369562_a8049cf446_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23TMdwE)

Good to see a zero there. I've also not seen a big yellow sign like this in Florida.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on February 01, 2018, 08:42:02 AM
Quote from: formulanone on January 31, 2018, 04:33:56 PM
New sign on northbound Krome Avenue near Palm Drive:

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4764/39967369562_a8049cf446_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23TMdwE)

Good to see a zero there. I've also not seen a big yellow sign like this in Florida.
What sign?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: hotdogPi on February 01, 2018, 08:44:19 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 01, 2018, 08:42:02 AM
Quote from: formulanone on January 31, 2018, 04:33:56 PM
New sign on northbound Krome Avenue near Palm Drive:

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4764/39967369562_a8049cf446_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23TMdwE)

Good to see a zero there. I've also not seen a big yellow sign like this in Florida.
What sign?
Saying that won't make it go away.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: chays on February 05, 2018, 02:34:55 PM
Recently stopped back by the I-4 Ultimate signage staging area.   A new trailer was there, and some of the signs on the existing trailers had been offloaded.

(https://i.imgur.com/Ck6LxsP.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/m5keC8v.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YSFv0lp.jpg)
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Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on February 05, 2018, 03:45:45 PM
Quote from: chays on February 05, 2018, 02:34:55 PM
Recently stopped back by the I-4 Ultimate signage staging area.   A new trailer was there, and some of the signs on the existing trailers had been offloaded.
(https://i.imgur.com/dnK3wXU.jpg)

Is it Canine Road 7, or Dog Road 7?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: adventurernumber1 on February 05, 2018, 04:31:44 PM
Thank you for posting all of these wonderful close-up pictures of all the signs, chays!  :nod:  :thumbsup:

That is all very interesting, and I cannot wait to see how this I-4 Ultimate project turns out. I'm not sure when will be the next time I am down in Orlando (last time was April 2014), but hopefully it will be pretty soon!!  :nod:






Quote from: formulanone on January 31, 2018, 04:33:56 PM
New sign on northbound Krome Avenue near Palm Drive:

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4764/39967369562_a8049cf446_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23TMdwE)

Good to see a zero there. I've also not seen a big yellow sign like this in Florida.

That is a very interesting sign, and I, too, am glad that the number is at 0 as well. I am not certain if I have seen a sign quite like that before, but it is very neat.  :nod:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 06, 2018, 01:19:34 AM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on February 05, 2018, 04:31:44 PM
Thank you for posting all of these wonderful close-up pictures of all the signs, chays!  :nod:  :thumbsup:

That is all very interesting, and I cannot wait to see how this I-4 Ultimate project turns out. I'm not sure when will be the next time I am down in Orlando (last time was April 2014), but hopefully it will be pretty soon!!  :nod:
I'm with adventurernumber1 on this. I like sign staging areas too. I'm not sure if it was a staging area or a manufacturer, but in South Setauket, New York, there used to be a lot where new signs ready to be used for nearby highway improvements were on display, before the NYSDOT brought them out to their respected locations. I used to love to go there and check them out. Nobody there had any idea why I was so interested in them.

Anyway, sticking to Florida, I have to ask again; How high is the clearance for the new I-75 bridge over US 98-FL 50 in Ridge Manor West? I tried to ask somebody from the FDOT that question via e-mail, as well as a couple of others, and they never got back to me.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on February 08, 2018, 01:55:18 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 19, 2018, 06:38:24 PM
I thought the Florida's Turnpike was intended to have limited access.  If they keep building more access why pay to use it?
There is already an exit from i4 to the Turnpike ( this is the intersection that Walt Disney saw from a plan and made him decide to Disney World in Orlando area BTW)

I live in Groveland/Clermont area and use the turnpike every day to get to work off OBT.  I really wish the i4 ultimate project made the i4/Turnpike interchange into a high speed stack like at 429/turnpike.. there is at least a mile back up on the SB turnpike at the exit almost every day.. the old ticket toll road double trumpet.. it would have been very expensive to change the configuration, the construction and ROW would have been a fortune with all the development adjacent to the exit.

The OBT/528   exit is just a cluster f***k. You could include to consulate drive pseudo exit in there too... It's sort of cool with all the roads involved but always a back up.. there are industrial parks all around there and the surface roads are loaded with 18 wheelers.. it takes forever to get through the Landstreet Road/OBT traffic light

Interestingly there is a Florida forestry service fire tower just north of there on OBT.. give a clue of how not too long ago the area was very rural

Z981
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 08, 2018, 03:22:30 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on February 08, 2018, 01:55:18 PM
I really wish the i4 ultimate project made the i4/Turnpike interchange into a high speed stack like at 429/turnpike.. there is at least a mile back up on the SB turnpike at the exit almost every day.. the old ticket toll road double trumpet..
That's because of mall traffic entering from Conroy. A C/D road should at least keep the backups off the main lanes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on February 08, 2018, 03:41:49 PM


Quote from: NE2 on February 08, 2018, 03:22:30 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on February 08, 2018, 01:55:18 PM
I really wish the i4 ultimate project made the i4/Turnpike interchange into a high speed stack like at 429/turnpike.. there is at least a mile back up on the SB turnpike at the exit almost every day.. the old ticket toll road double trumpet..
That's because of mall traffic entering from Conroy. A C/D road should at least keep the backups off the main lanes.

That will help i4 for sure.. I am talking about back up on the Turnpike itself.  Those could be because of the construction , not sure because I never took this route before the ultimate began .. turn radius is bigger on one of the loops as well... I am sure the new toll booth will be set up for AET as well... AET will help too



Z981

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on February 08, 2018, 06:42:49 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on February 08, 2018, 01:55:18 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 19, 2018, 06:38:24 PM
I thought the Florida's Turnpike was intended to have limited access.  If they keep building more access why pay to use it?
There is already an exit from i4 to the Turnpike ( this is the intersection that Walt Disney saw from a plan and made him decide to Disney World in Orlando area BTW)

I live in Groveland/Clermont area and use the turnpike every day to get to work off OBT.  I really wish the i4 ultimate project made the i4/Turnpike interchange into a high speed stack like at 429/turnpike.. there is at least a mile back up on the SB turnpike at the exit almost every day.. the old ticket toll road double trumpet.. it would have been very expensive to change the configuration, the construction and ROW would have been a fortune with all the development adjacent to the exit.

The OBT/528   exit is just a cluster f***k. You could include to consulate drive pseudo exit in there too... It's sort of cool with all the roads involved but always a back up.. there are industrial parks all around there and the surface roads are loaded with 18 wheelers.. it takes forever to get through the Landstreet Road/OBT traffic light

Interestingly there is a Florida forestry service fire tower just north of there on OBT.. give a clue of how not too long ago the area was very rural

Z981

They are redoing the Exit 254, but not including what it needs.  That Landstreet intersection, no matter how long it gives Landstreet the green light, there is still tons of 18 wheelers in queue again and again.  Then Orange County puts a camera for light jumpers because they know that NB OBT has to wait three or four light changes to pass through, so they know frustration will tempt them to run the signal.

I-4 at the Florida Turnpike and SR 528 at the Turnpike need to have high speed flyovers.  Funny you should mention the latter as I work the third shift tonight at I-4 and the FL Turnpike and its dead all night there, but during the day its totally non stop.

They need braided ramps between the Turnpike and Conroy on I-4 like they done between Kirkman and Sand Lake going WB or at all the three Disney exits as the Ultimate is not addressing that issue.  The strange thing is that Conroy was added within the past 25 years.  Both FDOT and the City of Orlando both should have been proactive on that one and built the ramps differently then, but of course they did not.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on February 08, 2018, 07:41:51 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 08, 2018, 06:42:49 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on February 08, 2018, 01:55:18 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 19, 2018, 06:38:24 PM
I thought the Florida's Turnpike was intended to have limited access.  If they keep building more access why pay to use it?
There is already an exit from i4 to the Turnpike ( this is the intersection that Walt Disney saw from a plan and made him decide to Disney World in Orlando area BTW)

I live in Groveland/Clermont area and use the turnpike every day to get to work off OBT.  I really wish the i4 ultimate project made the i4/Turnpike interchange into a high speed stack like at 429/turnpike.. there is at least a mile back up on the SB turnpike at the exit almost every day.. the old ticket toll road double trumpet.. it would have been very expensive to change the configuration, the construction and ROW would have been a fortune with all the development adjacent to the exit.

The OBT/528   exit is just a cluster f***k. You could include to consulate drive pseudo exit in there too... It's sort of cool with all the roads involved but always a back up.. there are industrial parks all around there and the surface roads are loaded with 18 wheelers.. it takes forever to get through the Landstreet Road/OBT traffic light

Interestingly there is a Florida forestry service fire tower just north of there on OBT.. give a clue of how not too long ago the area was very rural

Z981

They are redoing the Exit 254, but not including what it needs.  That Landstreet intersection, no matter how long it gives Landstreet the green light, there is still tons of 18 wheelers in queue again and again.  Then Orange County puts a camera for light jumpers because they know that NB OBT has to wait three or four light changes to pass through, so they know frustration will tempt them to run the signal.

I-4 at the Florida Turnpike and SR 528 at the Turnpike need to have high speed flyovers.  Funny you should mention the latter as I work the third shift tonight at I-4 and the FL Turnpike and its dead all night there, but during the day its totally non stop.

They need braided ramps between the Turnpike and Conroy on I-4 like they done between Kirkman and Sand Lake going WB or at all the three Disney exits as the Ultimate is not addressing that issue.  The strange thing is that Conroy was added within the past 25 years.  Both FDOT and the City of Orlando both should have been proactive on that one and built the ramps differently then, but of course they did not.
Consulate Dr exit is just too short.. and the traffic light at the end messes it all up..

I think the JYP/ Sand Lake Rd grade separation and improvements on Sand Lake Rd will help the OBT/turnpike/528 mess since it will give another viable alternative to leaving the Business Park and getting to I-4.. via Sand Lake Rd and/or Kirkman Rd ( even if it's just for me )

A JYP turnpike interchange would be nice for taking some demand off OBT/turnpike


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Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on February 10, 2018, 03:08:47 PM
I think that at Taft Vineland Road an interchange should be needed there to takes some of the trucks off OBT as many come down their and fill up the left turn lane as each trailer is standard 53' while the cab takes up another 25.  Heck the new sleeper cabs some are 30 feet now in length, so either way those trucks cause the signal at OBT and Taft Vineland to work poorly as just 4 trucks can be the only ones through the protected left arrow.

However, after collecting tolls and seeing how many truck drivers are just ignorant of the nation's freeway network, but we have 50 semis a day come through the Beeline West, not counting the ones that go by when I am off work, but considering they spend an extra $1.61 per toll not subscribing to Sunpass, you add that up it goes into the five digits after a whole year.  I figured out at least 40.000 semis pay cash for the tolls per year and many claim how they are all first timers to the region.  I do not know about numbers of just how many truckers are employed in all 48 continguous states, but out of them for 40 grand to be first time users of Florida's highways seems a high number for those who are trying out new routes or just recently employed.  Anyway, nonetheless they would still not figure out there is a new interchange or smart enough to get a Sunpass to exit as it would be all ORT ramps coming from the North.

The JYP and SandLake should help some, but ideally the Taft-Vineland idea would be best or even one at Central Florida Parkway as it connects to the warehouse and industry along the Taft-Vineland and Tradeport area.   

Also the Taft- Vineland and OBT intersection should have been modified years ago.  They had three chances as OBT was widened from just south of there to Sand Lake in 1999.  No intersection improvements then.  Second that intersection was again altered to extend Taft Vineland Road to JYP in 2000 and no further improvements done.  And lastly, when Taft-Vineland Road was widened to four lanes west of OBT, as not only did they think to redo the intersection again, but the project had Taft- Vineland's new four lane portion end before OBT and drops to two lane status into that busy intersection.  So the third is not only ignorance of the demand for more turn lanes on OBT, but the fact you have a four lane road become two lanes prior to a major intersection which is usually never heard of. Usually lane drops occur post intersection and not before it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on February 10, 2018, 03:53:08 PM
∆∆∆

I noticed the Taft Vineland Rd drop to 2 lanes before OBT, it was weird.

OBT is just a mess. Lots of traffic, trucks, pedestrians and businesses.

Z981

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on February 10, 2018, 07:09:30 PM
How much of the traffic on OBT is visitors? I wonder if the traffic volume on OBT could be reduced by moving the US 17/92/441 designations to JYP?

I like now they are willing to do grade separations for arterial intersections. Flower Mound, TX and TxDOT really need to learn that concept.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on February 10, 2018, 08:04:55 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on February 10, 2018, 07:09:30 PM
How much of the traffic on OBT is visitors? I wonder if the traffic volume on OBT could be reduced by moving the US 17/92/441 designations to JYP?

I like now they are willing to do grade separations for arterial intersections. Flower Mound, TX and TxDOT really need to learn that concept.
OBT is just outside the tourist corridor, most visitors on there are  lost LOL. There are a lot of hotels but they are very cheap, hourly or housing for poor.

Pre interstate it was the through route, remember that pre-Disney Orlando was a sleepy mid sized Deep South City, center of citrus and cattle and some military/aerospace after WWII. 

There are a lot of retail businesses and restaurants along OBT, the Florida Mall. A lot of warehouses, distribution center type of businesses just off OBT. Most of the traffic is local and lots of 18 wheelers for a surface street

JYP being 17/92/441 would not change traffic that much. JYP does not have the businesses or Pedestrian traffic that OBT does but lots of residential areas are adjacent. Traffic lights on JYP have very long cycles. Grade separations would help

Z981
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on February 11, 2018, 04:07:47 PM
Southchase and Hunters Creek are big contributors to the heavy volumes. It was not bad in the early 90's when OBT was the only north south corridor between Orlando and Kissimmee as JYP was in construction phases then to be the corridor it is now.  OBT did fine by itself and one could go the 9 miles from the Turnpike to US 192 in around 10 to 12 minutes.

Yes, JYP needs more grade separations like at Central Florida Parkway, and a flyover at FL 528 as they are keeping the parclo despite the weaving in the NB lanes is terrible.  Even to have converted it to a diamond would be better than it is now.

Also JYP at Conroy and Oakridge needs grade separations with either a DDI or SPUI at both.  The intersection at Town Center Blvd needs to be grade separated as well.

One light I hate along OBT is the Stable Drive signal that was added in 2011 when Walmart Neighborhood Market opened which has the longest wait cycle of all the signals from Landstreet to Osceola Parkway.  Why?  Cause its a Walmart store that paid for the signal, and two the apartments behind it are Section 8 Housing which allows for affirmative action to be used for giving the road leading in and out of the dwellings to get first class treatment. 

Another thing that sucks is that the owners of Walmart won't connect the plaza next to it with their parking lot so people from Deerfield have to enter the busy trail and wait for two light changes just to go local.  The OBT has enough traffic to let alone have Deefield locals add more to it all because of selfish behavior because two landlords do not want to share their parking lots!  They even put up a fence between the two as some parked in one lot and walked over to the next to avoid driving OBT.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on March 02, 2018, 08:38:25 PM
(Orlando Area) I noticed that CR 439 is no longer marked on Google Maps.  Anybody know if the designation has been dropped?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on March 02, 2018, 11:24:11 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on March 02, 2018, 08:38:25 PM
(Orlando Area) I noticed that CR 439 is no longer marked on Google Maps.  Anybody know if the designation has been dropped?
Turkey Lake Rd is CR439... Not signed at all.  I had a patient recently who was in a car accident on Turkey Lake Rd, the police report said "CR439( Turkey Lake Rd)"

I don't think designation was dropped, but Orange County, like other urban FL counties ( Duval, Miami-Dade) rarely sign County Roads.  The only time I see CR pentagon's is on FDOT maintained roads at some junctions

Z981

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on March 02, 2018, 11:28:00 PM
I noticed last weekend driving on I-95 NB toward the i-4 junction that new BGS show new exit number for US92... It will be some sort of CD road.. it shows exit 260ABC for US 92/i4/SR400.. no more exit 261... Didn't get pic sorry

Z981

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on March 03, 2018, 10:15:49 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on March 02, 2018, 11:24:11 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on March 02, 2018, 08:38:25 PM
(Orlando Area) I noticed that CR 439 is no longer marked on Google Maps.  Anybody know if the designation has been dropped?
Turkey Lake Rd is CR439... Not signed at all.  I had a patient recently who was in a car accident on Turkey Lake Rd, the police report said "CR439( Turkey Lake Rd)"

I don't think designation was dropped, but Orange County, like other urban FL counties ( Duval, Miami-Dade) rarely sign County Roads.  The only time I see CR pentagon's is on FDOT maintained roads at some junctions

Z981



CR 439 has only been marked at SR 50 since before 1991. It was, however, fully marked on Google Maps until recently
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on March 03, 2018, 10:18:14 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on March 03, 2018, 10:15:49 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on March 02, 2018, 11:24:11 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on March 02, 2018, 08:38:25 PM
(Orlando Area) I noticed that CR 439 is no longer marked on Google Maps.  Anybody know if the designation has been dropped?
Turkey Lake Rd is CR439... Not signed at all.  I had a patient recently who was in a car accident on Turkey Lake Rd, the police report said "CR439( Turkey Lake Rd)"

I don't think designation was dropped, but Orange County, like other urban FL counties ( Duval, Miami-Dade) rarely sign County Roads.  The only time I see CR pentagon's is on FDOT maintained roads at some junctions

Z981



CR 439 has only been marked at SR 50 since before 1991. It was, however, fully marked on Google Maps until recently
Lake County has 439 marked from SR 44 to CR 42... A lot of times CR we're SSR or SR in past or they have a long unsigned multiplex with SR.  I wish these were better marked

Z981

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 03, 2018, 02:53:50 PM
On FL 438 at Hiawassee it shows CR 435 heading south with Lake County type of full border pentagons.  Also the north segment of Apopka- Vineland north of FL 438 has a CR 435 shield as well.

The county route overlaps with FL 438 between the two roads as all of Apopka- Vineland is CR 435, however the gap between FL 50 and Old Winter Garden Road (the section from SR 50 to SR 438 was added in the late 90's as part of development there) has the overlap, plus aligning on Hiawassee, and doubling back on Old Winter Garden Road to make it continuous.

Also do not steal from FL.  A coworker of mine stole 117 dollars from the toll cash, thinking FL would not miss the money.  Not only did he get caught at the act, but got arrested and processed for it.   Although I feel sorry for the guy as he had to go through the embarrassment of being handcuffed, but at the same time he got what he deserved if he though the state would be stupid considering the computers you log the tolls and the cameras everywhere.  Now the dude will face having a record for the rest of his life over a measly 117 dollars.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 03, 2018, 05:19:31 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on March 02, 2018, 11:24:11 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on March 02, 2018, 08:38:25 PM
(Orlando Area) I noticed that CR 439 is no longer marked on Google Maps.  Anybody know if the designation has been dropped?
Turkey Lake Rd is CR439... Not signed at all.  I had a patient recently who was in a car accident on Turkey Lake Rd, the police report said "CR439( Turkey Lake Rd)"

I don't think designation was dropped, but Orange County, like other urban FL counties ( Duval, Miami-Dade) rarely sign County Roads.  The only time I see CR pentagon's is on FDOT maintained roads at some junctions[/size]

There was one pentagon for 439 posted just south of SR 50 in 2008.

Having driven just about all of the Orange County County roads (except for parts of Landstreet Road and Boggy Creek Road), they are very poorly signed, if at all.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 06, 2018, 12:41:39 AM
I still need info on the clearance for the new I-75 bridge over US 98-FL 50 in Ridge Manor West.

:confused:


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on March 07, 2018, 03:06:42 PM
The I-75 express lanes are to open Saturday.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/g00/news/transportation/fl-reg-i75-express-lanes-opening-20180306-story.html?i10c.encReferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvL0RUUFNydTAzQVY%3D&i10c.ua=4&i10c.dv=13
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on March 09, 2018, 07:40:49 AM
SunPass rental car query.

My wife is thinking about visiting her sister for a weekend this spring. We have a SunPass (attached with scotch tape and thus movable from car to car). If she flies down and rents a car and brings our device with her, and calls me to add it to our account before she leaves the rental lot, would that be sufficient to ensure the car rental place doesn't stick her with the daily SunPass convenience fee for using their account? She'd be flying into and out of Orlando MCO and using the Bee Line across to I-95, if that matters.

(Basically the goal is to make sure she doesn't get socked with some annoying fee when we already have a SunPass.)

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 09, 2018, 10:07:51 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 09, 2018, 07:40:49 AM
SunPass rental car query.

My wife is thinking about visiting her sister for a weekend this spring. We have a SunPass (attached with scotch tape and thus movable from car to car). If she flies down and rents a car and brings our device with her, and calls me to add it to our account before she leaves the rental lot, would that be sufficient to ensure the car rental place doesn't stick her with the daily SunPass convenience fee for using their account? She'd be flying into and out of Orlando MCO and using the Bee Line across to I-95, if that matters.

(Basically the goal is to make sure she doesn't get socked with some annoying fee when we already have a SunPass.)

Thanks in advance.

Should be good if you go the Sunpass website and add the rental to it.  Sunpass even has an option to set an expiration date that you can set.  I used to do the same thing when family visited me when I lived in Orlando.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jdb1234 on March 09, 2018, 10:22:19 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 09, 2018, 10:07:51 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 09, 2018, 07:40:49 AM
SunPass rental car query.

My wife is thinking about visiting her sister for a weekend this spring. We have a SunPass (attached with scotch tape and thus movable from car to car). If she flies down and rents a car and brings our device with her, and calls me to add it to our account before she leaves the rental lot, would that be sufficient to ensure the car rental place doesn't stick her with the daily SunPass convenience fee for using their account? She'd be flying into and out of Orlando MCO and using the Bee Line across to I-95, if that matters.

(Basically the goal is to make sure she doesn't get socked with some annoying fee when we already have a SunPass.)

Thanks in advance.

Should be good if you go the Sunpass website and add the rental to it.  Sunpass even has an option to set an expiration date that you can set.  I used to do the same thing when family visited me when I lived in Orlando.
I was going to say the same thing as I rented a car and drove to Marco Island last summer.  As long as you enter the correct information you should be fine.

Forgot to add:  Toll charges take a while to post on Orlando Expressways.  My dad drove through a toll plaza of FL 429 near my aunt's house and it took nearly 12 hours to post to my account!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on March 09, 2018, 01:30:20 PM
What is one does not plan on travelling on any toll roads do they still charge a Sun Pass device fee?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 09, 2018, 01:59:26 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on March 09, 2018, 01:30:20 PM
What is one does not plan on travelling on any toll roads do they still charge a Sun Pass device fee?

Usually the rental car company will just ask you if want a Sun Pass device. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jim on March 09, 2018, 02:08:16 PM
It's possible I'm confusing it with a rental somewhere else, but I think my most recent FL rental car came with a SunPass device that I could turn on and off with a switch.  As long as I never turned it on, they would not charge me anything.  But if I did turn it on and incurred any single toll, I'd be charged their outrageous daily surcharge.  I don't know how standard that is.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on March 09, 2018, 05:02:46 PM
Thanks. Sounds like the key is to make sure she knows to call me ASAP when she gets the car so I can add it in the app. (She could do it too, but she can never remember passwords.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on March 10, 2018, 05:27:31 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 09, 2018, 07:40:49 AM
SunPass rental car query.

My wife is thinking about visiting her sister for a weekend this spring. We have a SunPass (attached with scotch tape and thus movable from car to car). If she flies down and rents a car and brings our device with her, and calls me to add it to our account before she leaves the rental lot, would that be sufficient to ensure the car rental place doesn't stick her with the daily SunPass convenience fee for using their account? She'd be flying into and out of Orlando MCO and using the Bee Line across to I-95, if that matters.

(Basically the goal is to make sure she doesn't get socked with some annoying fee when we already have a SunPass.)

Thanks in advance.

Be careful. Sometimes the rental company already offers a Sun Pass with the car plate attached to that Sun Pass. I've been able to place mine on the windshield in any rental car. Check beforehand with the rental company.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on March 10, 2018, 02:29:48 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on March 02, 2018, 11:28:00 PM
I noticed last weekend driving on I-95 NB toward the i-4 junction that new BGS show new exit number for US92... It will be some sort of CD road.. it shows exit 260ABC for US 92/i4/SR400.. no more exit 261... Didn't get pic sorry

Z981
Got a picture yesterday.  It's a little blurry sorry (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180310/6571ecfbf498e2698015359e68238590.jpg)

Z981
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 10, 2018, 04:57:27 PM
Quote from: emory on March 10, 2018, 05:27:31 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 09, 2018, 07:40:49 AM
SunPass rental car query.

My wife is thinking about visiting her sister for a weekend this spring. We have a SunPass (attached with scotch tape and thus movable from car to car). If she flies down and rents a car and brings our device with her, and calls me to add it to our account before she leaves the rental lot, would that be sufficient to ensure the car rental place doesn't stick her with the daily SunPass convenience fee for using their account? She'd be flying into and out of Orlando MCO and using the Bee Line across to I-95, if that matters.

(Basically the goal is to make sure she doesn't get socked with some annoying fee when we already have a SunPass.)

Thanks in advance.

Be careful. Sometimes the rental company already offers a Sun Pass with the car plate attached to that Sun Pass. I've been able to place mine on the windshield in any rental car. Check beforehand with the rental company.

Avis uses an on-off switch which reveals/covers the transponder, but I'm not entirely sure they don't just charge the tag later on. I get billed later by the rental company. I never tried to use my own SunPass in lieu of their tolling system.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: wriddle082 on March 10, 2018, 07:59:17 PM
Here's a FL question that I'm not sure can be answered unless it's in person, but I might as well ask it...

What is the correct pronunciation of Thonotosassa?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jhuntin1 on March 11, 2018, 04:04:21 PM
Quote from: wriddle082 on March 10, 2018, 07:59:17 PM
Here's a FL question that I'm not sure can be answered unless it's in person, but I might as well ask it...

What is the correct pronunciation of Thonotosassa?

I'll try to spell it phonetically based on my recollection: tha-no'-ta-sassa. I used to take that exit off I-4 all the time.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: seicer on March 15, 2018, 03:35:30 PM
FIU pedestrian bridge collapses days after installation; police say multiple deaths, cars trapped (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/west-miami-dade/article205316174.html)

A pedestrian bridge under construction collapsed Thursday, just days after crews dropped an elevated 950-ton span in place in a project that was intended to give Florida International University students a safe route across the busy roadway.

The bridge crashed across six lanes of heavily traveled Tamiami Trail, crushing a still undetermined number of car and killing a still unclear number of people. Police on the scene said at least six people could be dead. The Florida Highway Patrol reported five or six cars were trapped under the bridge. Miami-Dade County police said at least eight cars had been crushed under the walkway, which was not yet open to student traffic.

--

"˜Instant' bridge aims to make a dangerous crossing safer for thousands of students (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/west-miami-dade/article204506084.html)

Instant bridge? Not quite, but in a single morning Florida International University dropped a new elevated pedestrian span into place over the Tamiami Trail to provide students a safe route over the perilous roadway for the first time.

Once it's finished in early 2019, the new pedestrian bridge will link FIU's Modesto A. Maidique Campus directly to the small suburban city of Sweetwater, where the university estimates 4,000 of its students live.

The rapid span installation was the result of months of preparation.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: bing101 on March 16, 2018, 11:46:03 AM
https://www.local10.com/news/florida/miami-dade/fiu-pedestrian-bridge-collapse-death-toll


Update 6 people reported dead at the Florida Bridge collapse.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 22, 2018, 01:59:25 PM
Lots of things going to happen in the future with the outcome of all this.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 22, 2018, 08:12:01 PM
Well it looks like the SR 408 won't be extended but another alternative.

http://www.floridasturnpike.com/colonial-parkway.html The Colonial Parkway being studied by FTE and not CFX.   
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: UCFKnights on March 22, 2018, 09:25:05 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 22, 2018, 08:12:01 PM
Well it looks like the SR 408 won't be extended but another alternative.

http://www.floridasturnpike.com/colonial-parkway.html The Colonial Parkway being studied by FTE and not CFX.
I don't think the SR408 extension is dead from what I heard, just that this is another alternative being considered. For all intents and purposes, this is just another route possibility, with a different ownership. Even after FTE expressed interest and begain studying their route, CFX proceeded to spend money studying their routes. Someone's going to build it, and soonish.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: RoadPelican on March 23, 2018, 04:04:50 PM
Even with SR 50 getting widened to 6 lanes recently, that area is under tremendous pressure from developers with Avalon Park and Lake Pickett growing by leaps and bounds.  That area needs immediate expressway access, they should have extended SR 408 out to the SR 50/520 split back in the 90's.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on March 23, 2018, 06:47:29 PM
Quote from: RoadPelican on March 23, 2018, 04:04:50 PM
Even with SR 50 getting widened to 6 lanes recently, that area is under tremendous pressure from developers with Avalon Park and Lake Pickett growing by leaps and bounds.  That area needs immediate expressway access, they should have extended SR 408 out to the SR 50/520 split back in the 90's.
It would have helped if SR 50 and 520 had limited access a long time ago.

Like so many roads in Florida that were once rural 4 lane divided highways that functioned like freeways but now are clogged with a traffic light every couple hundred feet. ( i.e. US27 in Davenport and Clermont) Rending them useless for regional traffic

Z981
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 24, 2018, 10:06:21 AM
The grand opening for the last CFX sections of Wekiva Parkway is next Saturday (03/31). A few of us are planning on meeting up and driving the new road that morning. The ceremony follows a 5k run and is scheduled from 9 to 10 am. Probably won't be able to get there in time for that, but we'll see. Anyone else going?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on March 24, 2018, 12:06:07 PM
Quote from: Alex on March 24, 2018, 10:06:21 AM
The grand opening for the last CFX sections of Wekiva Parkway is next Saturday (03/31). A few of us are planning on meeting up and driving the new road that morning. The ceremony follows a 5k run and is scheduled from 9 to 10 am. Probably won't be able to get there in time for that, but we'll see. Anyone else going?

To confirm, this is the piece between that isolated northern segment and the main portion that links down to I-4? So, for example, if you're coming from Sanford and you want to bypass central Orlando and Disney World, you can take Route 46 west, make the left onto Wekiva, and follow it all the way down to I-4? That is outstanding news. (We drove the open segments this past Christmas week en route from Sanford to Fort Myers and liked the route.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 24, 2018, 09:06:37 PM
Quote from: UCFKnights on March 22, 2018, 09:25:05 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 22, 2018, 08:12:01 PM
Well it looks like the SR 408 won't be extended but another alternative.

http://www.floridasturnpike.com/colonial-parkway.html The Colonial Parkway being studied by FTE and not CFX.
I don't think the SR408 extension is dead from what I heard, just that this is another alternative being considered. For all intents and purposes, this is just another route possibility, with a different ownership. Even after FTE expressed interest and begain studying their route, CFX proceeded to spend money studying their routes. Someone's going to build it, and soonish.
CFX eliminated that part near the curve before its east end as ROW was left for a semi directional interchange.  Unless they plan to realign it north of SR 50 causing it to use part of Challenger Parkway to do it. 

It be interesting though to see a contest to see who gets their roadway done, though.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on March 25, 2018, 02:13:00 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 24, 2018, 12:06:07 PM
Quote from: Alex on March 24, 2018, 10:06:21 AM
The grand opening for the last CFX sections of Wekiva Parkway is next Saturday (03/31). A few of us are planning on meeting up and driving the new road that morning. The ceremony follows a 5k run and is scheduled from 9 to 10 am. Probably won't be able to get there in time for that, but we'll see. Anyone else going?

To confirm, this is the piece between that isolated northern segment and the main portion that links down to I-4? So, for example, if you're coming from Sanford and you want to bypass central Orlando and Disney World, you can take Route 46 west, make the left onto Wekiva, and follow it all the way down to I-4? That is outstanding news. (We drove the open segments this past Christmas week en route from Sanford to Fort Myers and liked the route.)

Yes, its that missing piece! It also includes the SR 453 connector that will link with SR 46 between U.S. 441 and Sorrento.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on March 25, 2018, 05:02:42 PM
Quote from: flaroads on March 25, 2018, 02:13:00 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 24, 2018, 12:06:07 PM
Quote from: Alex on March 24, 2018, 10:06:21 AM
The grand opening for the last CFX sections of Wekiva Parkway is next Saturday (03/31). A few of us are planning on meeting up and driving the new road that morning. The ceremony follows a 5k run and is scheduled from 9 to 10 am. Probably won't be able to get there in time for that, but we'll see. Anyone else going?

To confirm, this is the piece between that isolated northern segment and the main portion that links down to I-4? So, for example, if you're coming from Sanford and you want to bypass central Orlando and Disney World, you can take Route 46 west, make the left onto Wekiva, and follow it all the way down to I-4? That is outstanding news. (We drove the open segments this past Christmas week en route from Sanford to Fort Myers and liked the route.)

Yes, its that missing piece! It also includes the SR 453 connector that will link with SR 46 between U.S. 441 and Sorrento.

Thanks. Good to know that for the next time we're in the area. Also provides an alternate way to the Turnpike towards Miami if we don't feel like taking our usual 417 route around to the east.

Regarding a different part of the state, I saw a tweet saying the I-75 express lanes opened yesterday. Not going to bother asking my brother-in-law about it. He lives in Pembroke Pines and works at FLL Airport, but he's only used the I-595 express lanes once (when we were visiting and he forgot to get over in time to exit the Turnpike to the I-595 free lanes), so I doubt he'll be using the I-75 lanes anytime soon!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on March 25, 2018, 05:29:32 PM
BTW, sort of related to my prior post, I was looking at the websites about Florida's various express lane projects and I'm rather astonished to find they're proposing to build ETLs on the Turnpike from the Golden Glades all the way to Fort Pierce (approximately 88 miles). I wonder what it would cost to drive those end-to-end–and they'll be ETLs, not HO/T lanes (it sounds like the existing I-95 Express is to be the only HO/T segment). I assume the standard toll would be added to the express lane toll.

http://floridaexpresslanes.com
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 27, 2018, 08:20:00 PM
I thought I posted this already, but 10 days ago, I shot a video of the new segment of I-75 going over the new bridge over US 98 and FL 50.

And I still haven't got any info on the clearance of the bridge over US 98/FL 50.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on March 28, 2018, 09:30:35 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on March 27, 2018, 08:20:00 PM
I thought I posted this already, but 10 days ago, I shot a video of the new segment of I-75 going over the new bridge over US 98 and FL 50.

And I still haven't got any info on the clearance of the bridge over US 98/FL 50.

Is that project done yet? What was the need to almost double the clearance (sorry, I don't have the exact number myself) of the interstate over the highway?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 29, 2018, 01:16:38 AM
Quote from: VTGoose on March 28, 2018, 09:30:35 AM
Is that project done yet? What was the need to almost double the clearance (sorry, I don't have the exact number myself) of the interstate over the highway?
Some truck smashed into it, and I suppose a group of one kind or another thought FDOT needed to make raising the bridge part of the improvement project.

Anyway, besides the low clearance, one of the major problems I had with it was the short left-turn lanes to the on-ramps.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 29, 2018, 08:50:38 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on March 29, 2018, 01:16:38 AM
Quote from: VTGoose on March 28, 2018, 09:30:35 AM
Is that project done yet? What was the need to almost double the clearance (sorry, I don't have the exact number myself) of the interstate over the highway?
Some truck smashed into it, and I suppose a group of one kind or another thought FDOT needed to make raising the bridge part of the improvement project.

Anyway, besides the low clearance, one of the major problems I had with it was the short left-turn lanes to the on-ramps.

Traffic backups were always a problem at that ramp given the odd configuration for southbound I-75 traffic.  Cars would tend to back up through the traffic light for the northbound exit given the left turn lane for southbound I-75 was ahead of the light.  I never thought clearance was the issue but rather a bad traffic pattern that could have been remedied by a left turn lane behind the traffic light.  You can kind of see how the problem would develop on this GSV image from 2016:

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.5233261,-82.2362053,3a,75y,237.22h,89.26t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s05QFjFVwF0OmJxKFMDj75w!2e0!5s20160801T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 29, 2018, 06:57:05 PM
Is that going to be a SPUI or a DDI?  Whatever, either of them would eliminate a back up.  Too bad further south at SR 54 they did not design a SPUI as that one needs it. The improvement did nothing as still making a left off of NB 75 still has to wait for the SB ramp on the other side to turn green.  The queue for that signal backs up into the NB ramps signal.

Personally I do not see why the two lights cannot be timed better.  When the NB and SB ramps turn green that next signal should be green to prevent back ups from occurring beneath the overpass.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on March 30, 2018, 01:51:37 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 29, 2018, 06:57:05 PM
Is that going to be a SPUI or a DDI?  Whatever, either of them would eliminate a back up.  Too bad further south at SR 54 they did not design a SPUI as that one needs it. The improvement did nothing as still making a left off of NB 75 still has to wait for the SB ramp on the other side to turn green.  The queue for that signal backs up into the NB ramps signal.

Personally I do not see why the two lights cannot be timed better.  When the NB and SB ramps turn green that next signal should be green to prevent back ups from occurring beneath the overpass.

Because its Florida. They don't know how to time a light or sign a double turn
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Henry on March 30, 2018, 09:46:07 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 25, 2018, 05:29:32 PM
BTW, sort of related to my prior post, I was looking at the websites about Florida's various express lane projects and I'm rather astonished to find they're proposing to build ETLs on the Turnpike from the Golden Glades all the way to Fort Pierce (approximately 88 miles). I wonder what it would cost to drive those end-to-end—and they'll be ETLs, not HO/T lanes (it sounds like the existing I-95 Express is to be the only HO/T segment). I assume the standard toll would be added to the express lane toll.

http://floridaexpresslanes.com
See, this makes no sense to me. The Turnpike is already a toll road, so why add ETLs to it?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on March 30, 2018, 09:57:39 AM
Quote from: Henry on March 30, 2018, 09:46:07 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 25, 2018, 05:29:32 PM
BTW, sort of related to my prior post, I was looking at the websites about Florida's various express lane projects and I'm rather astonished to find they're proposing to build ETLs on the Turnpike from the Golden Glades all the way to Fort Pierce (approximately 88 miles). I wonder what it would cost to drive those end-to-end–and they'll be ETLs, not HO/T lanes (it sounds like the existing I-95 Express is to be the only HO/T segment). I assume the standard toll would be added to the express lane toll.

http://floridaexpresslanes.com
See, this makes no sense to me. The Turnpike is already a toll road, so why add ETLs to it?

Either 1) improve the traffic flow at certain locations,
2) mo' money, mo' money,
3) both.

I choose both...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: J N Winkler on March 30, 2018, 11:33:50 AM
Quote from: DeaconG on March 30, 2018, 09:57:39 AMEither 1) improve the traffic flow at certain locations,
2) mo' money, mo' money,
3) both.

I choose both...

At the conceptual level, there is little difference between tolled and untolled general-purpose lanes in the same corridor as tolled express lanes.  In both cases price discrimination is achieved by offering traffic a choice between two price levels.

I don't know how constrained the ROW is in these locations, but suspect part of the motivation is to manage congestion while limiting the number of new lanes that are added and avoiding the political hit from an increase in the base toll.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 30, 2018, 02:29:09 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 29, 2018, 08:50:38 AM
Traffic backups were always a problem at that ramp given the odd configuration for southbound I-75 traffic.  Cars would tend to back up through the traffic light for the northbound exit given the left turn lane for southbound I-75 was ahead of the light.  I never thought clearance was the issue but rather a bad traffic pattern that could have been remedied by a left turn lane behind the traffic light.  You can kind of see how the problem would develop on this GSV image from 2016:

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.5233261,-82.2362053,3a,75y,237.22h,89.26t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s05QFjFVwF0OmJxKFMDj75w!2e0!5s20160801T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
I wasn't suggesting the clearance of the bridge had anything to do with the traffic jams to either of the on-ramps. The problem has always been that the left-turn lanes (which were already behind the previous traffic lights) were too short. One of FDOT's proposals for that interchange was to add a west to south loop ramp, which could've taken out the motels on the northwest corner, unless they considered relocating the frontage road behind those motels.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 30, 2018, 10:10:16 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on March 30, 2018, 02:29:09 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 29, 2018, 08:50:38 AM
Traffic backups were always a problem at that ramp given the odd configuration for southbound I-75 traffic.  Cars would tend to back up through the traffic light for the northbound exit given the left turn lane for southbound I-75 was ahead of the light.  I never thought clearance was the issue but rather a bad traffic pattern that could have been remedied by a left turn lane behind the traffic light.  You can kind of see how the problem would develop on this GSV image from 2016:

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.5233261,-82.2362053,3a,75y,237.22h,89.26t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s05QFjFVwF0OmJxKFMDj75w!2e0!5s20160801T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
I wasn't suggesting the clearance of the bridge had anything to do with the traffic jams to either of the on-ramps. The problem has always been that the left-turn lanes (which were already behind the previous traffic lights) were too short. One of FDOT's proposals for that interchange was to add a west to south loop ramp, which could've taken out the motels on the northwest corner, unless they considered relocating the frontage road behind those motels.

Interestingly that Quality Inn actually has a sizable conference center.  There is a Walmart distribution center just east of I-75 on Kellogg Road.  It took me the longest time to figure out why there was always so many cars on that particular stretch of FL 50/US 98.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 31, 2018, 07:11:31 PM
I do not know why FDOT cannot learn from Caltrans and just place a ramp behind a business.  For example look at the I-405 and Willshire Blvd. cloverleaf interchange in LA.  You have the Social Security Administration inside one of the ramps as probably these buildings existed long before the 405 was built.  All they did was build the interchange around the existing structures.

However, they did come close to it in Lakeland as both a motel and a church are inside the interchange with Socrum Loop Road and I-4, but that is because they built a hook ramp to meet Socrum Loop where it already parallels the freeway.  However, I have seen in most places where they would rather remove a structure than build around it though here in the land of Sunshine.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on March 31, 2018, 08:31:06 PM
Quote from: Henry on March 30, 2018, 09:46:07 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 25, 2018, 05:29:32 PM
BTW, sort of related to my prior post, I was looking at the websites about Florida's various express lane projects and I'm rather astonished to find they're proposing to build ETLs on the Turnpike from the Golden Glades all the way to Fort Pierce (approximately 88 miles). I wonder what it would cost to drive those end-to-end—and they'll be ETLs, not HO/T lanes (it sounds like the existing I-95 Express is to be the only HO/T segment). I assume the standard toll would be added to the express lane toll.

http://floridaexpresslanes.com
See, this makes no sense to me. The Turnpike is already a toll road, so why add ETLs to it?

To me it's not the ETLs per se that are surprising (they're building them on the HEFT south of I-75); rather, it's the sheer scope of this particular project that I find astonishing because 88 miles is just difficult to contemplate in terms of what the ETL toll would likely cost. I assume part of the idea is that the Turnpike is too narrow once you're north of the Lantana plaza and I-95 is quite wide, so additional capacity presumably makes more sense on the Turnpike. It does seem a little weird to charge a toll on top of a toll, though.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on April 01, 2018, 04:42:45 PM
Quote from: Henry on March 30, 2018, 09:46:07 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 25, 2018, 05:29:32 PM
BTW, sort of related to my prior post, I was looking at the websites about Florida's various express lane projects and I'm rather astonished to find they're proposing to build ETLs on the Turnpike from the Golden Glades all the way to Fort Pierce (approximately 88 miles). I wonder what it would cost to drive those end-to-end–and they'll be ETLs, not HO/T lanes (it sounds like the existing I-95 Express is to be the only HO/T segment). I assume the standard toll would be added to the express lane toll.

http://floridaexpresslanes.com
See, this makes no sense to me. The Turnpike is already a toll road, so why add ETLs to it?

There genuinely is no good reason that doesn't come across as a giant middle finger.

There's been a need for six lanes for over two decades now. They had the ROW but kicked the can down the road too long. Now money will be spent on an extra lane and its extra upkeep, of which any advantage is wasted because some slowpoke to hold up the parade without the ability to pass them, precluding any advantage to a high-speed lane. Traffic will flow better with the chance for actual passing and getting back over; the exits are typically 4-8 miles apart in most places, so there's not much reason to shunt over traffic into the middle lane and hold up everyone else's commute.

Many of the overpasses date back to 1955-1956, with only a few detail changes, so that's the part which will really take time. So expect a few years of 55 mph speed limits with the end result of a doubly-tolled road when it's completed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on April 01, 2018, 10:33:32 PM
Is there to be only one ETL on each side? That's a serious question–I guess I just assumed if they were to go to the trouble and expense they'd build two in each direction.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jdb1234 on April 02, 2018, 09:35:27 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 01, 2018, 10:33:32 PM
Is there to be only one ETL on each side? That's a serious question–I guess I just assumed if they were to go to the trouble and expense they'd build two in each direction.

For the answer, it does in fact say two in each direction from the Turnpike/HEFT split all the way to Fort Pierce.  There are also proposals for express lanes from Kissimmee to I-75
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on April 04, 2018, 01:01:26 PM
I've been down in South Florida for a few weeks and will be for three more, so I got to take some pictures.

I got to drive the I-75 Express Lanes which are open from the Turnpike interchange in Miami-Dade to I-595. The 595 lanes, which they hook up directly to, were closed.

(https://i.imgur.com/CdPdA95.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/cEQOfrL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/wKVwm51.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3BoFrQj.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on April 04, 2018, 01:09:09 PM
Construction of the US 41/Tamiami Trail bridge project in west Miami-Dade.

(https://i.imgur.com/3mBgvXi.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FDim6Om.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: adventurernumber1 on April 04, 2018, 09:01:03 PM
All that new stuff looks beautiful. It looks like the roads down there are really getting some love. Thank you very much for sharing those photos!  :nod:  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 08, 2018, 01:56:10 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 29, 2018, 06:57:05 PM
Is that going to be a SPUI or a DDI?  Whatever, either of them would eliminate a back up.  Too bad further south at SR 54 they did not design a SPUI as that one needs it. The improvement did nothing as still making a left off of NB 75 still has to wait for the SB ramp on the other side to turn green.  The queue for that signal backs up into the NB ramps signal.
A DDI would simply replace traffic jams at a signal for left-turn lanes with traffic jams at a signal for lanes diverging to the other side.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mergingtraffic on April 16, 2018, 08:06:55 PM
Pardon the quality but I put my father on assignment to get these signs and sure enough he did:

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/933/41463674242_16daea1bb3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26b1aMd)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 17, 2018, 04:36:46 PM
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on April 16, 2018, 08:06:55 PM
Pardon the quality but I put my father on assignment to get these signs and sure enough he did:

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/933/41463674242_16daea1bb3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26b1aMd)
Davenport I take?

Also in Winter Haven an old faded US 17 shield is along one of the side streets as well.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on April 18, 2018, 03:22:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/SZmP2eQ.jpg)

Here’s one of a surprising handful of erroroneous US 441 shields in the field misidentifying it as SR 441. The biggest offender is on an overhead atop the Golden Glades Interchange.

(https://i.imgur.com/UyrIEbd.jpg)

Here’s a shield error at the intersection with Dixie Highway (SR 811) in Fort Lauderdale, identifying it incorrectly as SR 816, which is further south and runs east/west.

I also drove the latest opening of Hiatus Road, which now connects Oakland Park Boulevard to Sunrise Boulevard. After decades of construction there’s now only two gaps left in the road: From Orange Drive across Griffin Road to 48th Street, and from 49th Place to 55th Street. Everything between Orange and Stirling needs to be widened to match its segments to the north and south.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on April 18, 2018, 07:14:56 PM
Quote from: emory on April 18, 2018, 03:22:13 PM
I also drove the latest opening of Hiatus Road, which now connects Oakland Park Boulevard to Sunrise Boulevard.

I always found this to be one of the most aptly named roads in the history of mankind. There should always be a gap in it.

Quote from: emory on April 18, 2018, 03:22:13 PM
The biggest offender is on an overhead atop the Golden Glades Interchange.

Which segment of the Golden Glades Interchange has an "FL 441" error sign? Never seen it before, so it must be a recent error.

(I know your photo is from Okeechobee Road / FL 704.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on April 18, 2018, 09:40:36 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/EE5JNOL.jpg)

It's where these signs used to be. They were badly damaged and recently replaced.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 18, 2018, 10:05:49 PM
Quote from: emory on April 18, 2018, 03:22:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/SZmP2eQ.jpg)

Here's one of a surprising handful of erroroneous US 441 shields in the field misidentifying it as SR 441. The biggest offender is on an overhead atop the Golden Glades Interchange.

(https://i.imgur.com/UyrIEbd.jpg)

Here's a shield error at the intersection with Dixie Highway (SR 811) in Fort Lauderdale, identifying it incorrectly as SR 816, which is further south and runs east/west.

I also drove the latest opening of Hiatus Road, which now connects Oakland Park Boulevard to Sunrise Boulevard. After decades of construction there's now only two gaps left in the road: From Orange Drive across Griffin Road to 48th Street, and from 49th Place to 55th Street. Everything between Orange and Stirling needs to be widened to match its segments to the north and south.
There is a FL 441 in Daytona Beach, so its funny that the route gets signed hundreds of miles away.  US 19 once got signed along US 27, but not between Perry and Capps where the two routes concur.  It was in Lake County where FL 19 interchanges with US 27, but since have been rectified.

In FL you have you have many US routes that have state routes with same number. US 17 and SR 17 (they intersect in Haines City too). US 19 and SR 19,  US 23 and SR 23, US 29 and SR 29.  I do not know if there are more or not, but its funny that an error would occur with another shield of a duplicate route number.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 18, 2018, 10:48:07 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 18, 2018, 10:05:49 PM
In FL you have you have many US routes that have state routes with same number. US 17 and SR 17 (they intersect in Haines City too). US 19 and SR 19,  US 23 and SR 23, US 29 and SR 29.  I do not know if there are more or not, but its funny that an error would occur with another shield of a duplicate route number.

Interstates have the same issues.

I-10 & FL-10 in Jacksonville (FL-10 is US-90's hidden number for most of the state, but splits from it in JAX and makes it seems like it's a possible state number continuation of the Interstate)
I-295 & FL-295
I-595 & FL-595
I-4 & FL-4

Also, here's another 2 US/State number duplication you missed.
US-129 & FL-129
US-331 & FL-331
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on April 19, 2018, 01:45:21 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 18, 2018, 10:48:07 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 18, 2018, 10:05:49 PM
In FL you have you have many US routes that have state routes with same number. US 17 and SR 17 (they intersect in Haines City too). US 19 and SR 19,  US 23 and SR 23, US 29 and SR 29.  I do not know if there are more or not, but its funny that an error would occur with another shield of a duplicate route number.

Interstates have the same issues.

I-10 & FL-10 in Jacksonville (FL-10 is US-90's hidden number for most of the state, but splits from it in JAX and makes it seems like it's a possible state number continuation of the Interstate)
I-295 & FL-295
I-595 & FL-595
I-4 & FL-4

Also, here's another 2 US/State number duplication you missed.
US-129 & FL-129
US-331 & FL-331

This is why I like California's system, where any AASHTO numbered federal route defaults to its state road number, so Interstate 5 is State Route 5 and US 395 is State Route 395.

US 17 out west of Lake Okeechobee constantly interweaves with bannered routes of CR 17 as well. It's annoying.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on April 19, 2018, 02:21:23 PM
Quote from: emory on April 19, 2018, 01:45:21 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 18, 2018, 10:48:07 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 18, 2018, 10:05:49 PM
In FL you have you have many US routes that have state routes with same number. US 17 and SR 17 (they intersect in Haines City too). US 19 and SR 19,  US 23 and SR 23, US 29 and SR 29.  I do not know if there are more or not, but its funny that an error would occur with another shield of a duplicate route number.

Interstates have the same issues.

I-10 & FL-10 in Jacksonville (FL-10 is US-90's hidden number for most of the state, but splits from it in JAX and makes it seems like it's a possible state number continuation of the Interstate)
I-295 & FL-295
I-595 & FL-595
I-4 & FL-4

Also, here's another 2 US/State number duplication you missed.
US-129 & FL-129
US-331 & FL-331

This is why I like California's system, where any AASHTO numbered federal route defaults to its state road number, so Interstate 5 is State Route 5 and US 395 is State Route 395.

US 17 out west of Lake Okeechobee constantly interweaves with bannered routes of CR 17 as well. It's annoying.

Probably why Florida uses a lot of the secret numbers for legislative, planning, and citations.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 19, 2018, 10:39:17 PM
US 27 and FL 27 were the most confusing hence FL 997 taking over the state road.  Although, I never understood why US 27 never used Krome Avenue down to Florida City instead of using Okeechobee Road and NW 36th Street into Miami.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: adventurernumber1 on April 19, 2018, 10:55:13 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 19, 2018, 10:39:17 PM
Although, I never understood why US 27 never used Krome Avenue down to Florida City instead of using Okeechobee Road and NW 36th Street into Miami.

I haven't a clue of the actual truth, but my guess is that the people choosing the routing thought that, at least at the time, US 27 should have its southern terminus very close to the actual city center of Miami. Florida City was probably also very, very, very small at that time as well, so the people in charge may have not seen much reason to route US 27 over there. Other people would be able to give a better answer than me, though.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 19, 2018, 11:03:02 PM
Actually SR 27 went all the way into the Everglades National Park.  What is now that four digit state route leading to the park was SR 27.

That could have been SR 27 continuation of US 27 like MA 3 is the continuation of US 3 south of Cambridge.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on April 21, 2018, 08:47:49 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Sv2GuJk.jpg)

Quick photo of the construction happening on SR 710 south of Indiantown.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 21, 2018, 09:57:48 PM
The Beeline Highway.  Yes it was under construction 2 years ago too when I clinched it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 21, 2018, 10:35:15 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 19, 2018, 11:03:02 PM
Actually SR 27 went all the way into the Everglades National Park.  What is now that four digit state route leading to the park was SR 27.

That could have been SR 27 continuation of US 27 like MA 3 is the continuation of US 3 south of Cambridge.

Don't forget that FL 27 didn't always connect to US 27.  Krome Avenue used to end at US 41/Tamiami Trail which made the numbering of FL 27 make more sense since it was technically west of the southern terminus of FL 25 (US 27).  The alignment of FL 27 can be seen on the 1956 and 1951 state highway maps below.  Interestingly the 1951 map shows FL 27 ending at Cape Sable.

https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~212056~5500200:Shell-Highway-Map-of-Florida-?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:florida%2Bhighway;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=9&trs=12

https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~212025~5500185:Shell-Highway-Map-Southeastern-Sect?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:florida%2Bhighway;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=8&trs=12
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 23, 2018, 09:21:04 PM
Never thought about that one as most N-S odd numbered routes are on different parts of the state.  SR 23 is up in Jacksonville and a second generation as the original FL 23 was with FL 121.  Now its the planned outer beltway that .will connect I-10 with I-95 and toll SR 16 across the St. Johns River, a road that was free for decades.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on April 27, 2018, 09:52:20 PM
Because in South Florida everything needs an Express Lane, here's a peek at the under construction SR 826/Palmetto Expressway Express Lanes.

(https://i.imgur.com/Dyt0S1T.png)

The HEFT segment of the Turnpike also has Express Lanes in the works on the south end, which is bizarre. The Turnpike is one big express lane, so now they're tacking toll roads onto toll roads.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on April 27, 2018, 10:09:10 PM
Time lapse of Krome Avenue (starting on US 27 at SR 820), which is not far off from being a four lane expressway from US 27 to US 41. I'd love it if they turned US 41 and SR 94 into interchanges but that's not in the plans sadly.

https://my.mixtape.moe/uhzvqs.mp4

All SR 997 signs south of Campbell Road have been removed. Where the shields were on US 1 are now simply green signs saying "KROME AVE," following the tradition of Miami-Dade County to not sign any county highways.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 27, 2018, 10:26:32 PM
Quote from: emory on April 27, 2018, 09:52:20 PM
Because in South Florida everything needs an Express Lane, here's a peek at the under construction SR 826/Palmetto Expressway Express Lanes.

(https://i.imgur.com/Dyt0S1T.png)

The HEFT segment of the Turnpike also has Express Lanes in the works on the south end, which is bizarre. The Turnpike is one big express lane, so now they're tacking toll roads onto toll roads.
Welcome To Florida!  "Open For Business" as it says on US 231 entering our fine state!  Any of our improved toll roads are the business for us drivers to conduct at. :D
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 03, 2018, 06:15:23 PM
Does anyone know what year the current Orange Heights SR 26 bypass was completed.  I see the old signs are still on US 301 showing the old alignment through the town as SR 26 proper?  Wikipedia states its still under construction as we read it, and GSV shows it completed as the camera was there in 2013.  So I assume by the appearance of the bridge over both 301 and the CSX line, that it cannot be more than 10 years old at the most.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on May 19, 2018, 10:45:14 PM
Sign error fixed on CR 527 at Orange/ Osceola County Line. There was previously a SR 527 sign here, but it has been replaced with a CR 527 sign, which is correct.

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.3493739,-81.3918312,3a,67.1y,26.15h,83.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sppRuWUgSQHXSlghHi-CJDw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.3493739,-81.3918312,3a,67.1y,26.15h,83.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sppRuWUgSQHXSlghHi-CJDw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

Old sign:https://www.google.com/maps/@28.3492992,-81.3918484,3a,42.9y,31.7h,76.28t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1scum6Rf16vIUCUcYkJc00Zw!2e0!5s20110401T000000!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.3492992,-81.3918484,3a,42.9y,31.7h,76.28t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1scum6Rf16vIUCUcYkJc00Zw!2e0!5s20110401T000000!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 19, 2018, 11:41:10 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 03, 2018, 06:15:23 PM
Does anyone know what year the current Orange Heights SR 26 bypass was completed.  I see the old signs are still on US 301 showing the old alignment through the town as SR 26 proper?  Wikipedia states its still under construction as we read it, and GSV shows it completed as the camera was there in 2013.  So I assume by the appearance of the bridge over both 301 and the CSX line, that it cannot be more than 10 years old at the most.
http://www.gainesville.com/news/20110120/new-us-301-overpass-is-speedier-with-a-few-hitches
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on May 21, 2018, 10:43:34 AM
Quote from: NE2 on May 19, 2018, 11:41:10 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 03, 2018, 06:15:23 PM
Does anyone know what year the current Orange Heights SR 26 bypass was completed.  I see the old signs are still on US 301 showing the old alignment through the town as SR 26 proper?  Wikipedia states its still under construction as we read it, and GSV shows it completed as the camera was there in 2013.  So I assume by the appearance of the bridge over both 301 and the CSX line, that it cannot be more than 10 years old at the most.
http://www.gainesville.com/news/20110120/new-us-301-overpass-is-speedier-with-a-few-hitches

Interesting how the reporter felt the need to mention the "adult media store" as one of the businesses at that intersection (which is still there seven years later). Wonder why Cindy (the reporter) didn't get a comment from management or the customers about how the bypass was affecting the them and the store?  :-D

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on May 26, 2018, 05:13:41 AM
Palm Beach SLDs have been updated: http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/Straight-linesOnlineGIS/blank.aspx?docId=102954

1. SR 850 is off the books
2. SR 7 north of Okeechobee Blvd is now on the SHS.
3. SR 845 now ends at the county line.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on May 31, 2018, 03:35:57 AM
http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/Straight-linesOnlineGIS/blank.aspx?docId=106142

I wish I had checked the Hillsborough County sheet before I took a trip to Florida last month, but it appears SR 585 has been deleted.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: RoadPelican on May 31, 2018, 06:10:09 AM
I just drove from Vero Beach to Southeast Georgia via I-95 and I am pleased to report that the widening projects in Indian River and Volusia Counties are now finished.  That means that I-95 is now at least 6 lanes wide from the SC/GA border all the way until the end of I-95 south in Miami.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: bigdave on May 31, 2018, 09:00:50 AM
Quote from: RoadPelican on May 31, 2018, 06:10:09 AM
I just drove from Vero Beach to Southeast Georgia via I-95 and I am pleased to report that the widening projects in Indian River and Volusia Counties are now finished.  That means that I-95 is now at least 6 lanes wide from the SC/GA border all the way until the end of I-95 south in Miami.

Nicely done, now time to step it up on I-75.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: vdeane on May 31, 2018, 01:19:31 PM
They might be.  I don't recall any narrower sections of I-75 outside of work zones and Alligator Alley.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jdb1234 on May 31, 2018, 02:10:14 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 31, 2018, 01:19:31 PM
They might be.  I don't recall any narrower sections of I-75 outside of work zones and Alligator Alley.

When I last drove to Marco Island, all of I-75 was 6 lanes or under construction to be widened to 6 lanes all the way down to Exit 101.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: bigdave on May 31, 2018, 03:26:09 PM
Quote from: jdb1234 on May 31, 2018, 02:10:14 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 31, 2018, 01:19:31 PM
They might be.  I don't recall any narrower sections of I-75 outside of work zones and Alligator Alley.

When I last drove to Marco Island, all of I-75 was 6 lanes or under construction to be widened to 6 lanes all the way down to Exit 101.

You guys are right, I stand corrected.

http://www.winknews.com/2017/08/01/work-set-to-start-this-year-on-charlotte-county-i-75-widening/

Kudos to FL and GA!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 01, 2018, 03:56:24 PM
I finally contacted FDOT face to face about the clearance of the new I-75 bridge over US 98/SR 50. It's 18'8," but I thougth it was higher.

There is the possibility they might lower it slightly, though.

BTW, I drove through there yesterday, and the only remaining part of the old southbound bridge left is one set of pylons on the south side of the road. I should've taken a picture of that.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 10, 2018, 10:12:56 AM
https://www.palmcoastobserver.com/photo-gallery/exit-293-new-i-95-interchange-opens-matanzas-woods-parkway
Old news but on Facebook there have been some interest to the Palm Coast area recently as well as some not aware that FDOT created a second Palm Coast interchange back in 2016 which was inspired from the 1998 wildfires as a need for better access to I-95 from the remote parts of the city that are miles from the current Exit 289 exchange.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on June 11, 2018, 01:56:27 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 10, 2018, 10:12:56 AM
https://www.palmcoastobserver.com/photo-gallery/exit-293-new-i-95-interchange-opens-matanzas-woods-parkway
Old news but on Facebook there have been some interest to the Palm Coast area recently as well as some not aware that FDOT created a second Palm Coast interchange back in 2016 which was inspired from the 1998 wildfires as a need for better access to I-95 from the remote parts of the city that are miles from the current Exit 289 exchange.
They also paved Old Kings Rd.. which was a dirt road with an overpass over i95 just south of the St John's County line

Z981

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: SP Cook on June 12, 2018, 02:42:51 PM
Just got back from a quick driving trip to Tampa.  Did the Jacksonville 295 to 10 to 301 to 75 deal. 

301 is just awful.  Plenty of pointless speedtrap towns, stop lights, dangerous at grade intersections, and quite limited services.  My question is why?  FL seems to have at least two upgrade projects going, including a bypass of Starke.  As this route is the best connection from anybody on the 95 side of the 95 or 75 to Florida divide who is going to Tampa or any place south, the road is very busy and highly used.  With all of Florida's toll roads, why has this been left out.  I would gladly pay 8 to 12 $$ for a high speed interstate quality road from Jacksonville to Ocala/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on June 12, 2018, 03:22:46 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on June 12, 2018, 02:42:51 PM
Just got back from a quick driving trip to Tampa.  Did the Jacksonville 295 to 10 to 301 to 75 deal. 

301 is just awful.  Plenty of pointless speedtrap towns, stop lights, dangerous at grade intersections, and quite limited services.  My question is why?  FL seems to have at least two upgrade projects going, including a bypass of Starke.  As this route is the best connection from anybody on the 95 side of the 95 or 75 to Florida divide who is going to Tampa or any place south, the road is very busy and highly used.  With all of Florida's toll roads, why has this been left out.  I would gladly pay 8 to 12 $$ for a high speed interstate quality road from Jacksonville to Ocala/
I think this is being studied by Florida Turnpike Enterprises.. I think there will be a toll road paralleing 301eventually.  I think it will hook into the First Coast Expressway (SR 23) around Penny Farms

Z981

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 12, 2018, 04:18:07 PM
Speaking of Florida Turnpike Enterprises, they're finally extending the Suncoast Parkway. The NIMBYists were concerned that they might build over the Etna Turpentine Camp Archeological Site.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etna_Turpentine_Camp_Archeological_Site

In this case, I would've sided with them, but I still would've called for the extension. I don't think I'm going to like the new design, though.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 12, 2018, 06:04:47 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on June 12, 2018, 03:22:46 PM
I think this is being studied by Florida Turnpike Enterprises.. I think there will be a toll road paralleing 301eventually.  I think it will hook into the First Coast Expressway (SR 23) around Penny Farms

Z981

That would go full circle, that planned turnpike would be close to the original plans for FLTPK then known as Sunshine State Parkway to go northeast to Jacksonville.  http://web.archive.org/web/19990209002454/www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~mn2n/tollfl.html


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Georgia on June 13, 2018, 12:32:01 AM
Google Maps car was heading east on I-10 just past exit 22.  Wonder if that means we will get some updated Pensacola GSM shortly or it was just heading elsewhere.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Henry on June 13, 2018, 09:04:29 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on June 12, 2018, 03:22:46 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on June 12, 2018, 02:42:51 PM
Just got back from a quick driving trip to Tampa.  Did the Jacksonville 295 to 10 to 301 to 75 deal. 

301 is just awful.  Plenty of pointless speedtrap towns, stop lights, dangerous at grade intersections, and quite limited services.  My question is why?  FL seems to have at least two upgrade projects going, including a bypass of Starke.  As this route is the best connection from anybody on the 95 side of the 95 or 75 to Florida divide who is going to Tampa or any place south, the road is very busy and highly used.  With all of Florida's toll roads, why has this been left out.  I would gladly pay 8 to 12 $$ for a high speed interstate quality road from Jacksonville to Ocala/
I think this is being studied by Florida Turnpike Enterprises.. I think there will be a toll road paralleing 301eventually.  I think it will hook into the First Coast Expressway (SR 23) around Penny Farms

Z981


Seconded!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on June 13, 2018, 10:10:35 AM
Quote from: SP Cook on June 12, 2018, 02:42:51 PM
Just got back from a quick driving trip to Tampa.  Did the Jacksonville 295 to 10 to 301 to 75 deal. 

301 is just awful.  Plenty of pointless speedtrap towns, stop lights, dangerous at grade intersections, and quite limited services.  My question is why?  FL seems to have at least two upgrade projects going, including a bypass of Starke.  As this route is the best connection from anybody on the 95 side of the 95 or 75 to Florida divide who is going to Tampa or any place south, the road is very busy and highly used.  With all of Florida's toll roads, why has this been left out.  I would gladly pay 8 to 12 $$ for a high speed interstate quality road from Jacksonville to Ocala/

That's our standard route when heading to and from Apollo Beach, although instead of the jog and weave to get to and around Jacksonville, we use 301 all the way to I-95 at the Yulee exit. Getting through downtown Baldwin and through Callahan are minor inconveniences because the rest of the highway is what 301 should be between Baldwin and Zuber. As to speedtrap towns, I have yet to see much in the way of speed enforcement either in any of the towns or out in the country. The Starke bypass (even though it is short by several miles) will take care of the worst of the bottlenecks (going north, we breeze past the long line of traffic trying to turn left to get on I-10 east -- will the end of that project or the end of the decade come first?).

I do agree that a better/faster route is needed (I-4 really doesn't count since it fails on "faster" when choked with traffic) and I too would be willing to spend a few dollars to get from one side of the state to the other.

Bruce in Blacksburg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 13, 2018, 08:01:08 PM
Got that one right about I-4.  It is no help thanks to over sprawl (or progress as some will call it) as I-4 is not even anything but a local commuter route and if there are tourists its just those looking to visit the attractions while staying in the area. 

A proposed route (even if it branches off of FL 589) from Crystal River to Jacksonville is built as a tollway, that would help transit many from the NE to Western parts of the Peninsula.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 14, 2018, 04:32:39 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on June 12, 2018, 02:42:51 PM
301 is just awful.  Plenty of pointless speedtrap towns, stop lights, dangerous at grade intersections, and quite limited services.  My question is why?  FL seems to have at least two upgrade projects going, including a bypass of Starke.  As this route is the best connection from anybody on the 95 side of the 95 or 75 to Florida divide who is going to Tampa or any place south, the road is very busy and highly used.  With all of Florida's toll roads, why has this been left out.  I would gladly pay 8 to 12 $$ for a high speed interstate quality road from Jacksonville to Ocala/
I usually cut through Ocala National Forest and hit US 17 from Palatka to Jacksonville. Sure US 17 has some of the same issues, with the exceptions of the cluttered speed trap towns. But because of that exception, I tend to feel a lot better taking it. But yes, an expressway paralleling US 301 from Ocala to Jacksonville would be a great idea whether it's a toll road or a freeway.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: edwaleni on June 15, 2018, 07:27:05 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 13, 2018, 08:01:08 PM
Got that one right about I-4.  It is no help thanks to over sprawl (or progress as some will call it) as I-4 is not even anything but a local commuter route and if there are tourists its just those looking to visit the attractions while staying in the area. 

A proposed route (even if it branches off of FL 589) from Crystal River to Jacksonville is built as a tollway, that would help transit many from the NE to Western parts of the Peninsula.

Having traveled I-4 in the choke area many times, I have a pretty good feel where the choke begins.

In the morning, tourists, mostly ones from overseas make the trek from the I drive hotel district to the theme parks. Unfortunately, many of them get their lane usage wrong and migrate to the far left lane and drive timid. This causes traffic to back up as they timidly attempt to cross 2 lanes to reach either Vineland-Apopka or farther down. Once you pass the main Disney exit, normal returns.

But the reverse is much worse. At around dinner time the masses make the trek back to I Drive, with the same foriegn lane behavior. So it backs up from Kirkman all the way back to Vineland-Apopka on I-4.

An accident? Forget about it.

With Disney refusing to have a better public transit mode to and from I Drive, this I-4 choke will persist indefinitely.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Rothman on June 15, 2018, 07:49:54 AM
Huh.  And here I thought Europeans were better at lane usage, not worse.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on June 15, 2018, 09:22:05 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on June 15, 2018, 07:27:05 AM
Having traveled I-4 in the choke area many times, I have a pretty good feel where the choke begins.

In the morning, tourists, mostly ones from overseas make the trek from the I drive hotel district to the theme parks. Unfortunately, many of them get their lane usage wrong and migrate to the far left lane and drive timid. This causes traffic to back up as they timidly attempt to cross 2 lanes to reach either Vineland-Apopka or farther down. Once you pass the main Disney exit, normal returns.

We have gotten tangled in the I-4 mess at the Tampa/I-75 end in the afternoon. Back in April we were heading from our son's home in Apollo Beach across to Cocoa Beach for a next-day boarding on a cruise. Even though it was mid-afternoon on a weekday, traffic was already backed up on I-75 south of the I-4 exit and was slow and bumper to bumper until around Lakeland (where we jumped off to get some dinner). It probably took us less time to get from there to Cocoa Beach than it did to get to that point from Apollo Beach. The problem is there really isn't a good alternative route to go east from Tampa without going though a lot of towns and zigging and zagging east and north to get close to Orlando and the Beachline Expressway (and/or the airport).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: edwaleni on June 28, 2018, 12:59:56 PM
Quote from: Rothman on June 15, 2018, 07:49:54 AM
Huh.  And here I thought Europeans were better at lane usage, not worse.

When driving in Europe, yes for the most part. When driving in the US (on the wrong side for them) not so much.

I drove through Ireland in a rental and did just fine.  But if you are a dad with a jet lagged wife and 4 loud excited kids in the back of your rental mini-van where the hand controls are in reverse and the clocks are in english instead of metric and you are getting your sat-nav sorted while negotiating lanes, I tend to show more sympathy.

Take that mini-van and multiply it times a few hundred on I-4, and explains the backups.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: hotdogPi on June 28, 2018, 01:00:57 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on June 28, 2018, 12:59:56 PM
Quote from: Rothman on June 15, 2018, 07:49:54 AM
Huh.  And here I thought Europeans were better at lane usage, not worse.

When driving in Europe, yes for the most part. When driving in the US (on the wrong side for them) not so much.

Most of Europe drives on the right.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on June 28, 2018, 01:04:01 PM
Quote from: 1 on June 28, 2018, 01:00:57 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on June 28, 2018, 12:59:56 PM
Quote from: Rothman on June 15, 2018, 07:49:54 AM
Huh.  And here I thought Europeans were better at lane usage, not worse.

When driving in Europe, yes for the most part. When driving in the US (on the wrong side for them) not so much.

Most of Europe drives on the right.

Let's just say that a number of Orlando's tourists come from left-hand-drive nations, even if it is a minority. Probably not the main reason, but it's just another thing to add to the mix. Most of the tourists are from the USA, so they're equally lost on roads which exceeded capacity 40 years ago (with puzzling amounts of right-of-way seemingly there for the taking).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on July 10, 2018, 10:08:14 PM
A road that has had its opening date pushed back twice is got it again pushed back to this Fall!

http://www.aroundosceola.com/john-young-construction-now-extended-to-fall/
The never ending widening of US 17 & 92 from Portage Street to US 192 has only a milling and resurfacing job to do that could be done in just a few days, is now given another few months.

All lanes are available for use, but the right lane is closed cause the existing asphalt needs to be milled and replaced before the top coat could be laid down for permanent use.    Yet this idiotic contractor has done nothing but send out trucks periodically since last winter to close off a small section of road for a few hours  a night to rip up and lay down replacement asphalt.

The project was to be done last Fall, but the contractor complained about weather and sewer lines under Mabette Street that held them up. So when the median was finally filled in, the bumpy six lane road was unobstructed for months without the contractor touching the pavement until March when two lanes of NB JYP got redone. Then for days it sat again with no further work until a day in May where the third northbound lane got redone.  Then again a few days no work to only have part of the SB lanes done.  Then a full stop until this week when contractors did the left SB lane.

What ever happened to fines for long overdue projects?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: SP Cook on July 11, 2018, 09:16:41 AM
Quote from: 1 on June 28, 2018, 01:00:57 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on June 28, 2018, 12:59:56 PM
Quote from: Rothman on June 15, 2018, 07:49:54 AM
Huh.  And here I thought Europeans were better at lane usage, not worse.

When driving in Europe, yes for the most part. When driving in the US (on the wrong side for them) not so much.

Most of Europe drives on the right.

Correct, obviously only the UK and Ireland drive on the left.  The rest of Europe drives on the same side as USA. 

However, for reasons of language, friendlines, and culture, most British people choose Walt Disney World over Disneyland Paris, so the %age of Europeans who are not used to the majority driving side in Orlando is very high.  Continental Europeans mostly go to DP.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on July 11, 2018, 10:44:52 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 10, 2018, 10:08:14 PM
A road that has had its opening date pushed back twice is got it again pushed back to this Fall!

http://www.aroundosceola.com/john-young-construction-now-extended-to-fall/
The never ending widening of US 17 & 92 from Portage Street to US 192 has only a milling and resurfacing job to do that could be done in just a few days, is now given another few months.

All lanes are available for use, but the right lane is closed cause the existing asphalt needs to be milled and replaced before the top coat could be laid down for permanent use.    Yet this idiotic contractor has done nothing but send out trucks periodically since last winter to close off a small section of road for a few hours  a night to rip up and lay down replacement asphalt.

The project was to be done last Fall, but the contractor complained about weather and sewer lines under Mabette Street that held them up. So when the median was finally filled in, the bumpy six lane road was unobstructed for months without the contractor touching the pavement until March when two lanes of NB JYP got redone. Then for days it sat again with no further work until a day in May where the third northbound lane got redone.  Then again a few days no work to only have part of the SB lanes done.  Then a full stop until this week when contractors did the left SB lane.

What ever happened to fines for long overdue projects?

My sympathies...it gives me flashbacks to the I-95 widening from the Beachline to Palm Bay Road and US 1 in Cocoa between King Street and the Beachline. Early completion bonuses don't motivate them and fines don't get levied, so why shouldn't they take their sweet ass time?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on July 12, 2018, 01:45:52 PM
The thing is that FDOT amended their project info sign approaching the construction area from Spring 2018 to Fall 2018 knowing that all they have to do is mill the current pavement and add the top coat of asphalt which for that length of road should take only a week to accomplish.  All the other work is done, such as median, landscaping, utilities, etc.

Also now the word is the I-4 Ultimate is 264 days behind schedule and it was stated in the news today.  Of course the excuse is the weather!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: RG407 on July 15, 2018, 10:36:44 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 12, 2018, 01:45:52 PM
Also now the word is the I-4 Ultimate is 264 days behind schedule and it was stated in the news today.  Of course the excuse is the weather!

And the contractors are asking for an additional $100 million.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/transportation/i-4-makeover/os-i4-construction-delay-overrun-20180712-story.html
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: hotdogPi on July 20, 2018, 08:31:07 AM
Question: Why is there no freeway spur to Ocala, Gainesville, Clearwater, or Fort Myers/Cape Coral?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 20, 2018, 10:54:07 AM
Quote from: 1 on July 20, 2018, 08:31:07 AM
Question: Why is there no freeway spur to Ocala, Gainesville, Clearwater, or Fort Myers/Cape Coral?

Probably no money to do and not enough push to get a toll road.  By the same extension you'd think Tallahassee would have a spur Freeway too.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on July 20, 2018, 12:18:15 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 20, 2018, 10:54:07 AM
Quote from: 1 on July 20, 2018, 08:31:07 AM
Question: Why is there no freeway spur to Ocala, Gainesville, Clearwater, or Fort Myers/Cape Coral?

Probably no money to do and not enough push to get a toll road.  By the same extension you'd think Tallahassee would have a spur Freeway too.

Probably because they were small cities when the Interstates were constructed in the 1960s and '70s; most had already opted to not have I-75 plough through downtown, so there must have been continued resistance for a spur. Clearwater has lots lof wealthy folks who would have mounted considerable pressure to axe a freeway project before the state slide projector could be turned on.

The largest population boom by the 1980s was in Orlando and South Florida, so they received priority.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on July 20, 2018, 06:03:18 PM
Quote from: 1 on July 20, 2018, 08:31:07 AM
Question: Why is there no freeway spur to Ocala, Gainesville, Clearwater, or Fort Myers/Cape Coral?

Though it wouldn't have been a spur, Lee County had plans in the early 1980's for a beltway around Fort Myers, Cape Coral, and Lehigh Acres. It was to have been limited access with interchanges at major thoroughfares. Other than establishing the baseline for the beltway (by land survey methods), nothing else came to fruition. Funding, and more than likely the lack of population, were the killing points in the end.

Sorry to see that it did not happen, as the population growth of the late 1990s and 2000s have really created traffic gridlock throughout the county. Cape Coral is more than likely the largest city in the state not served directly by the Interstate system, or any expressway system for that matter.

I also know from previous research that a similar beltway plan was proposed for Ocala.     
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on July 20, 2018, 11:10:30 PM
Clearwater is getting a couple freeway connections (between I-275 and the east side): http://www.tampabaynext.com/projects/gateway-expressway/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on July 20, 2018, 11:14:50 PM
Quote from: formulanone on July 20, 2018, 12:18:15 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 20, 2018, 10:54:07 AM
Quote from: 1 on July 20, 2018, 08:31:07 AM
Question: Why is there no freeway spur to Ocala, Gainesville, Clearwater, or Fort Myers/Cape Coral?

Probably no money to do and not enough push to get a toll road.  By the same extension you’d think Tallahassee would have a spur Freeway too.

Probably because they were small cities when the Interstates were constructed in the 1960s and '70s; most had already opted to not have I-75 plough through downtown, so there must have been continued resistance for a spur. Clearwater has lots lof wealthy folks who would have mounted considerable pressure to axe a freeway project before the state slide projector could be turned on.

The largest population boom by the 1980s was in Orlando and South Florida, so they received priority.
I believe that Ocala and Gainesville are way too close to the actual freeway to need one.

Cape Coral boomed later and so is Lehigh Acres.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on July 21, 2018, 08:26:36 AM
One of our relatives* in Fort Myers remembers when Lehigh Acres was being constructed and she says it was considered to be way the heck out in the middle of nowhere. No doubt that contributed to any thought process regarding road connections, even if such thinking often later proves short-sighted.

*I'm not sure what, if any, term there is for the relation: My wife's nephew's wife's mother.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: RoadPelican on July 21, 2018, 09:34:37 AM
Gainesville and Ocala absolutely need interstate spurs.  Gainesville's population has grown by 30% since 2000, Ocala is close to The Villages which has been on the Top 5 list of fastest growing areas in the USA for the last decade.  If you add the populations of these 3 cities you get over half a million people with no signs of slowing down.  Gainesville and The Villages are both usually on the best places to list year after year.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on July 21, 2018, 12:11:21 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 20, 2018, 11:14:50 PM
I believe that Ocala and Gainesville are way too close to the actual freeway to need one.

Cape Coral boomed later and so is Lehigh Acres.

Gainesville could use a spur for morning/afternoon traffic from the University. Ideally, it would be placed along Archer Road. But there's no place to put it; many businesses and residences line the route. A loop would disperse the traffic from other directions, but that would just put more traffic onto 2/4-lane roads. Ocala sort of built up the routes in the area, but Gainesville/Alachua County did not.

Southwestern Florida's boom was 1990s-2008 and resurging again; there's been some new roads, widening, but other places like Lehigh Acres are only just getting four-lanes on SR 82. If you'd been to Lehigh Acres 20-25 years ago, it looked like a post-apocalyptic wasteland...hundreds of paved roads with almost nothing along side them.

Quote from: 1995hoo on July 21, 2018, 08:26:36 AM
*I'm not sure what, if any, term there is for the relation: My wife's nephew's wife's mother.

Probably none. But I get tongue-tied trying to explain relationships back to the kids.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jdb1234 on July 22, 2018, 08:05:13 PM
Quote from: formulanone on July 21, 2018, 12:11:21 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 20, 2018, 11:14:50 PM
I believe that Ocala and Gainesville are way too close to the actual freeway to need one.

Cape Coral boomed later and so is Lehigh Acres.

Southwestern Florida's boom was 1990s-2008 and resurging again; there's been some new roads, widening, but other places like Lehigh Acres are only just getting four-lanes on SR 82. If you'd been to Lehigh Acres 20-25 years ago, it looked like a post-apocalyptic wasteland...hundreds of paved roads with almost nothing along side them.

I remember traveling to Marco Island back in the early to mid 90s and remember there not being much at all in Southwest Florida.  I also remember when several of exits on I-75 built up.  Not sure where you would run an I-75 spur to Cape Coral from, all the corridors are too developed now.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jim on July 22, 2018, 08:41:02 PM
I've only been traveling regularly to the Naples area since 2004, but even in just those years, the amount of development has been unbelievable.  The area could use some better connections between I-75 and US 41, but even the overpass at Golden Gate and Airport seemed to meet a lot of resistance (though it sure was a big improvement).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jdb1234 on July 22, 2018, 09:06:38 PM
Quote from: Jim on July 22, 2018, 08:41:02 PM
I've only been traveling regularly to the Naples area since 2004, but even in just those years, the amount of development has been unbelievable.  The area could use some better connections between I-75 and US 41, but even the overpass at Golden Gate and Airport seemed to meet a lot of resistance (though it sure was a big improvement).

I remember when that interchange at Golden Gate and Airport-Pulling was built.  I was built to coincide with the interchange of Golden Gate and I-75.  One of the concerns was that it would help traffic at all, and would make the intersection of Golden Gate and Goodlette-Frank a mess.  I don't frequent that part of Naples often to really find out.  Naples is fairly easy to get around in, as long as you know what the major streets are.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jim on July 22, 2018, 10:02:26 PM
Quote from: jdb1234 on July 22, 2018, 09:06:38 PM
Quote from: Jim on July 22, 2018, 08:41:02 PM
I've only been traveling regularly to the Naples area since 2004, but even in just those years, the amount of development has been unbelievable.  The area could use some better connections between I-75 and US 41, but even the overpass at Golden Gate and Airport seemed to meet a lot of resistance (though it sure was a big improvement).

I remember when that interchange at Golden Gate and Airport-Pulling was built.  I was built to coincide with the interchange of Golden Gate and I-75.  One of the concerns was that it would help traffic at all, and would make the intersection of Golden Gate and Goodlette-Frank a mess.  I don't frequent that part of Naples often to really find out.  Naples is fairly easy to get around in, as long as you know what the major streets are.

The intersection with Livingston seems to be a bigger bottleneck than Goodlette-Frank in my experience.  As far as major east-west connections, Golden Gate has been the best option south of Vanderbilt, probably because Vanderbilt doesn't have an I-75 interchange.  Pine Ridge is hopeless.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jdb1234 on July 26, 2018, 06:18:48 PM
Anyone else having trouble with their Sunpass?  I drove through tolls on the Suncoast Parkway and the Veterans Expressway and the tolls have not been posted to my account. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: vdeane on July 26, 2018, 09:53:12 PM
I've read that they're having a problem with their contractor.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on July 27, 2018, 06:58:59 PM
Quote from: jdb1234 on July 26, 2018, 06:18:48 PM
Anyone else having trouble with their Sunpass?  I drove through tolls on the Suncoast Parkway and the Veterans Expressway and the tolls have not been posted to my account. 

As vdeane mentioned, there is still a huge debacle between FDOT (SunPass) and their contractor (Conduent). This has been going on now for almost two months now!

Here is one of the latest articles I found on it that was posted this afternoon:
https://www.winknews.com/2018/07/27/sunpass-still-facing-huge-backlog-users-fear-big-bills/ (https://www.winknews.com/2018/07/27/sunpass-still-facing-huge-backlog-users-fear-big-bills/)

Seems there is a huge backlog of transactions with some users fearing a large bill and more and more upset at the government for not doing anything about a solution. Governor Scott has stated that the state will be stopping payment and that FDOT will be held responsible:

Quote"It's an FDOT contract. My office doesn't even do contracts. Those are done by agencies, in this case it was FDOT, and so they're going to be held accountable"

Drivers we spoke to say the governor should waive the backlogged tolls altogether. Acee said, "It's some bureaucratic snafu and we pay for it. Should they wave them? without question."

We reached out to the Florida Department of Transportation for an updated number of backlogged transactions.

They say they're still calculating the total number and should have an update next week.

Who knows what will come of this one....

On a personal note, I just looked at my SunPass account, and toll gantries I passed through on 6/9 didn't post until 7/15, so maybe give it some more time.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jdb1234 on July 27, 2018, 07:30:23 PM
I knew about the issue beforehand.  My biggest issue is that I am driving a rental.  I am also concerned that I could use up all of my prepaid tolls when I travel to Miami next week.  I am pretty sure my Sunpass was read going through the first toll plaza on the Suncoast Parkway (there are no Sunpass express lanes at that plaza).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on July 28, 2018, 06:52:57 AM
Quote from: jdb1234 on July 27, 2018, 07:30:23 PM
I knew about the issue beforehand.  My biggest issue is that I am driving a rental.  I am also concerned that I could use up all of my prepaid tolls when I travel to Miami next week.  I am pretty sure my Sunpass was read going through the first toll plaza on the Suncoast Parkway (there are no Sunpass express lanes at that plaza).

When you drive the rental, do you make sure to tie the license plate to your SunPass for the duration of the rental?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: SSOWorld on July 29, 2018, 05:36:00 AM
It was working before they change it.  WTF?

Side note: No, you're not alone.  I'm still waiting for the transactions to be updated myself on mine.  How can I trust an agency that can't get their shit together?

TxTag anyone?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: BigManFromAFRICA88 on July 30, 2018, 04:08:11 PM
Speaking of Miami and South Florida, anyone got photos or videos of the new I-75 Express Lanes and the reconstruction that's completed/still going on?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on July 30, 2018, 05:09:28 PM
Quote from: BigManFromAFRICA88 on July 30, 2018, 04:08:11 PM
Speaking of Miami and South Florida, anyone got photos or videos of the new I-75 Express Lanes and the reconstruction that's completed/still going on?

back here: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg2315998#msg2315998
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on July 31, 2018, 10:08:47 AM
Had the opportunity to check out the First Coast Expressway (SR 23) on Saturday. Its fully open in each direction with the exception of the ramps linking the north end with U.S. 90 (Beaver Street). Tolls are not collected at this time, as work is still underway on drainage, signage. etc. Posted a few photos on the blog (https://www.aaroads.com/blog/first-coast-expressway-open-to-traffic/).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on July 31, 2018, 05:29:21 PM
Quote from: Alex on July 31, 2018, 10:08:47 AM
Had the opportunity to check out the First Coast Expressway (SR 23) on Saturday. Its fully open in each direction with the exception of the ramps linking the north end with U.S. 90 (Beaver Street). Tolls are not collected at this time, as work is still underway on drainage, signage. etc. Posted a few photos on the blog (https://www.aaroads.com/blog/first-coast-expressway-open-to-traffic/).

A two digit tolled expressway? We sure this is Florida?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on July 31, 2018, 05:30:27 PM
Quote from: emory on July 31, 2018, 05:29:21 PM
Quote from: Alex on July 31, 2018, 10:08:47 AM
Had the opportunity to check out the First Coast Expressway (SR 23) on Saturday. Its fully open in each direction with the exception of the ramps linking the north end with U.S. 90 (Beaver Street). Tolls are not collected at this time, as work is still underway on drainage, signage. etc. Posted a few photos on the blog (https://www.aaroads.com/blog/first-coast-expressway-open-to-traffic/).

A two digit tolled expressway? We sure this is Florida?

"SR 91"
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on July 31, 2018, 06:06:18 PM
Quote from: formulanone on July 31, 2018, 05:30:27 PM
Quote from: emory on July 31, 2018, 05:29:21 PM
Quote from: Alex on July 31, 2018, 10:08:47 AM
Had the opportunity to check out the First Coast Expressway (SR 23) on Saturday. Its fully open in each direction with the exception of the ramps linking the north end with U.S. 90 (Beaver Street). Tolls are not collected at this time, as work is still underway on drainage, signage. etc. Posted a few photos on the blog (https://www.aaroads.com/blog/first-coast-expressway-open-to-traffic/).

A two digit tolled expressway? We sure this is Florida?

"SR 91"

One that's acknowledged on shields.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on July 31, 2018, 06:35:57 PM
"I-75"
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on July 31, 2018, 09:29:46 PM
Quote from: emory on July 31, 2018, 06:06:18 PM
Quote from: formulanone on July 31, 2018, 05:30:27 PM
Quote from: emory on July 31, 2018, 05:29:21 PM
Quote from: Alex on July 31, 2018, 10:08:47 AM
Had the opportunity to check out the First Coast Expressway (SR 23) on Saturday. Its fully open in each direction with the exception of the ramps linking the north end with U.S. 90 (Beaver Street). Tolls are not collected at this time, as work is still underway on drainage, signage. etc. Posted a few photos on the blog (https://www.aaroads.com/blog/first-coast-expressway-open-to-traffic/).

A two digit tolled expressway? We sure this is Florida?

"SR 91"

One that's acknowledged on shields.

True enough.

I'm surprised they stuck with SR 23 when US 23 is located in the same county.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 31, 2018, 10:58:43 PM
Quote from: Alex on July 31, 2018, 10:08:47 AM
Had the opportunity to check out the First Coast Expressway (SR 23) on Saturday. Its fully open in each direction with the exception of the ramps linking the north end with U.S. 90 (Beaver Street). Tolls are not collected at this time, as work is still underway on drainage, signage. etc. Posted a few photos on the blog (https://www.aaroads.com/blog/first-coast-expressway-open-to-traffic/).

Have a list of all the exit numbers so I can update TM's file for the route?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 01, 2018, 03:45:05 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 31, 2018, 10:58:43 PM
Quote from: Alex on July 31, 2018, 10:08:47 AM
Had the opportunity to check out the First Coast Expressway (SR 23) on Saturday. Its fully open in each direction with the exception of the ramps linking the north end with U.S. 90 (Beaver Street). Tolls are not collected at this time, as work is still underway on drainage, signage. etc. Posted a few photos on the blog (https://www.aaroads.com/blog/first-coast-expressway-open-to-traffic/).

Have a list of all the exit numbers so I can update TM's file for the route?

SR 21 (Blanding Boulevard) - Exit 31
Oakleaf Plantation Parkway/Challenger Drive - Exit 35
Argyle Forest Boulevard/Oakleaf Plantation Parkway - Exit 37
SR 134 (103rd Street) - Exit 41
SR 228 (Normandy Boulevard) - Exit 42
New World Avenue - Exit 44
I-10 - Exits 46A-B
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 01, 2018, 11:01:57 PM
Quote from: flaroads on August 01, 2018, 03:45:05 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 31, 2018, 10:58:43 PM
Quote from: Alex on July 31, 2018, 10:08:47 AM
Had the opportunity to check out the First Coast Expressway (SR 23) on Saturday. Its fully open in each direction with the exception of the ramps linking the north end with U.S. 90 (Beaver Street). Tolls are not collected at this time, as work is still underway on drainage, signage. etc. Posted a few photos on the blog (https://www.aaroads.com/blog/first-coast-expressway-open-to-traffic/).

Have a list of all the exit numbers so I can update TM's file for the route?

Oakleaf Plantation Parkway/Challenger Drive - Exit 35

Is that for NB or SB since it seems there's about a mile between the ramps for each direction?

And what about the SB exit for Old Jennings Rd?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Duke87 on August 05, 2018, 07:40:08 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on July 29, 2018, 05:36:00 AM
Side note: No, you're not alone.  I'm still waiting for the transactions to be updated myself on mine.  How can I trust an agency that can't get their shit together?

TxTag anyone?

Not a coincidence, by the way. The same company (Conduent) was responsible for the screw-ups in Texas a few years ago. Things got so bad there that people were receiving bills for the first time 9-12 months after actually taking a trip, with late fees on them that they then had to get on the phone and fight with the folks in the customer service center to get waived.


I don't see calls to waive the tolls being heeded because we're talking millions of dollars in revenue that the state would be surrendering - far more than Conduent is contractually obligated to pay in liquidated damages. But it people start getting bills with late fees the state needs to make unequivocally clear that no one is under any obligation to pay any of those.

Here's a few articles from July on this:
One (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article214889470.html)
Two (https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2018/07/20/florida-lawmaker-calls-for-suspension-of-sunpass-payments-and-full-investigation)
Three (http://news.wjct.org/post/sunpass-snafu-leads-millions-backlogged-toll-payments)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on August 06, 2018, 08:06:18 AM
Yesterday, I received my SunPass toll receipt from June 22nd, though just for 3 days' charges. It might take a day or two for it to charge my credit card.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: edwaleni on August 06, 2018, 10:06:06 PM
Quote from: Alex on July 31, 2018, 10:08:47 AM
Had the opportunity to check out the First Coast Expressway (SR 23) on Saturday. Its fully open in each direction with the exception of the ramps linking the north end with U.S. 90 (Beaver Street). Tolls are not collected at this time, as work is still underway on drainage, signage. etc. Posted a few photos on the blog (https://www.aaroads.com/blog/first-coast-expressway-open-to-traffic/).

I drove through today. The Beaver Street ramps (US-90) are open now.

I came through on Saturday and they still had barricades, but coming back through on I-10 today I saw the barricades are pulled back now.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 07, 2018, 04:50:01 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 01, 2018, 11:01:57 PM
Is that for NB or SB since it seems there's about a mile between the ramps for each direction?
That was for NB. SB will be: Oakleaf Plantation Parkway/Discovery Drive - Exit 35
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 01, 2018, 11:01:57 PM
And what about the SB exit for Old Jennings Rd?
SB: Old Jennings Road/Discovery Drive - Exit 32

I forgot to include that interchange. And Discovery Drive is the replacement name for Branan Field Road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 08, 2018, 04:38:43 AM
Quote from: flaroads on August 07, 2018, 04:50:01 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 01, 2018, 11:01:57 PM
Is that for NB or SB since it seems there's about a mile between the ramps for each direction?
That was for NB. SB will be: Oakleaf Plantation Parkway/Discovery Drive - Exit 35
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 01, 2018, 11:01:57 PM
And what about the SB exit for Old Jennings Rd?
SB: Old Jennings Road/Discovery Drive - Exit 32

I forgot to include that interchange. And Discovery Drive is the replacement name for Branan Field Road.

Alright.  Just wanted to be sure about the 'split' ramps to the C/D roads didn't have separate #'s.

BTW, do you know if the US-90 'ramps' will have a number, or just be un-numbered due to how the ramps curve to it?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on August 12, 2018, 06:01:34 PM
I asked about this once before, but it's a little less hypothetical right now and my wife is in a big snit about it, so let me lay out the situation:

(1) Next week she's flying down to MCO, primarily to visit her sister in Viera. Renting a car, currently through Budget. The rental period will be eight days.

(2) We have a SunPass account and we have one SunPass Mini device attached to her windshield with scotch tape.

(3) I know you can use the SunPass app to add a rental car to your account and to specify the dates, so she could call me from the airport and wait while I add it. (She could theoretically do it herself, but she doesn't want to.)

(4) However, the rental agency (Budget) has something on their website saying that if you use a SunPass-Only lane (or similar E-Pass, LeeWay, whatever), you're automatically opted into their program where they charge you $3.95 per day, up to a maximum of $19.75, plus tolls at the "toll-by-plate" rate. This is what has her in a snit–she's cursing and complaining and basically telling me to find a way to avoid the charge. (The most obvious is "stay off the toll roads." Whether she'll be willing to exit MCO to the south and go through the streets to US-192 across to I-95, then north to Viera, is unclear to me, and she tends to make wrong turns anyway.)

So my questions are as follows:

(A) Budget's website says if you bring your own transponder and pay the tolls with that, you can avoid the daily fee.

(B) My concern is that if she does not bring our SunPass Mini, it won't matter if I add the rental to our account via the app.

(C) So does that mean she should bring our transponder and some tape and stick it up there, then call me before driving anywhere so I can add the car just in case of a misread? (Also have me set a reminder on her iPhone to make sure she doesn't leave the SunPass Mini on the windshield when she returns the car?) Or is it unnecessary to bring our device because when it queries the database it'll bill our account instead of Budget's provider?

It's the last question for which I can't find a straight answer online–what happens if the plate is registered to our account and she's on, say, the Bee Line and doesn't have our transponder in the car? Or, more importantly, what happens if she has the transponder but there's a misread? Does our account get billed, or do they bill it to Budget's provider such that she then gets stuck with the $19.75 service charge plus tolls on her rental bill? Budget does not provide a way to opt out of this other than either paying cash for tolls (a potential problem if she goes down to Pembroke Pines and isn't careful about the route and winds up on cashless toll roads) or just staying off toll roads entirely (theoretically easy except for the nuisance of avoiding the Bee Line)?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on August 12, 2018, 07:16:42 PM
My experience with Avis/Budget is that they usually put the toll transponder in a box that slides with a lever that makes it read tolls (ON/OFF). You have the option of sliding it so you can either pay the tolls by cash - if accepted - and then charge to your own account. The catch is whether SunPass's operations are fast enough to update a licence plate change on your own account.

I haven't personally had an active account in 5 years, but they usually warned of 24/36/48-hour delays in account information. I would imagine it's a bit faster, but maybe not yet fast enough to understand you've left MCO and will be taking the ramp to SR 417 in about 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: vdeane on August 12, 2018, 09:07:00 PM
Also keep in mind that Florida's toll contractor has been having issues, resulting in payment processing and whatnot taking a really, really long time.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Rothman on August 12, 2018, 11:59:22 PM
The whole toll process was smooth after my trip to southern Florida almost exactly a year ago.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jdb1234 on August 13, 2018, 09:10:06 AM
All of the tolls that I incurred while in Florida were posted on my Sunpass account by the time I returned the rental car last week.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 13, 2018, 04:17:02 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 08, 2018, 04:38:43 AM
BTW, do you know if the US-90 'ramps' will have a number, or just be un-numbered due to how the ramps curve to it?

There were no tabs on the guide signs when we drove it, so I would say it will be un-numbered. Next time we head up there we'll check it out though :nod:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: vdeane on August 13, 2018, 08:55:26 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 12, 2018, 11:59:22 PM
The whole toll process was smooth after my trip to southern Florida almost exactly a year ago.
Looks like the problems started in June.
https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/investigations/sunpass/interactive-timeline-floridas-sunpass-problems/67-569843541
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Georgia on August 13, 2018, 10:03:35 PM
In Pensacola tonight, the work on the Bay Bridge is progressing pretty well.  I would say 75% of the bridge beams are up and probably 15% of the bridge deck is poured with another pour planning session looking like it was going on tonight around 8:30pm.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on August 14, 2018, 06:42:27 PM
So essentially on the SunPass issue the answer is pretty much "who knows what the best option is." Ugh.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on August 14, 2018, 07:46:11 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 14, 2018, 06:42:27 PM
So essentially on the SunPass issue the answer is pretty much "who knows what the best option is." Ugh.

If your account is up-to-date, you can confidently shut off the transponder and just use your SunPass Mini. Avis uses Velcro to hold it in place on the windshield. Sometimes I find it in the glovebox or center console storage (or completely missing) from the vehicle, but I suppose the OFF switch should do the trick by shielding the transponder

I don't think it checks license plates and verifies them against your account, unless your balance is not enough to pay the toll, or the transponder is not in use.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on August 14, 2018, 08:27:19 PM
Thanks. That sounds sensible. I'll make sure I grab her phone before she leaves so I can set a reminder to make sure she removes our SunPass Mini when she returns the rental car!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jdb1234 on August 16, 2018, 09:29:16 AM
Quote from: formulanone on August 14, 2018, 07:46:11 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 14, 2018, 06:42:27 PM
So essentially on the SunPass issue the answer is pretty much "who knows what the best option is." Ugh.

If your account is up-to-date, you can confidently shut off the transponder and just use your SunPass Mini. Avis uses Velcro to hold it in place on the windshield. Sometimes I find it in the glovebox or center console storage (or completely missing) from the vehicle, but I suppose the OFF switch should do the trick by shielding the transponder

I don't think it checks license plates and verifies them against your account, unless your balance is not enough to pay the toll, or the transponder is not in use.



I wouldn't worry about the Sunpass issue too much.  I racked a bunch of tolls while I was in Florida, and all were posted by the time I returned the rental.

Since you are using a rental, you can also set a specific date and time to remove the car from your account when you register the car.  I set my account to remove the rental for the same time that I returned it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 02 Park Ave on August 21, 2018, 05:55:34 PM
CFX is joining the E ZPass Network on 1st Sepember!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on August 21, 2018, 07:21:43 PM
Quote from: jdb1234 on August 16, 2018, 09:29:16 AM
Quote from: formulanone on August 14, 2018, 07:46:11 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 14, 2018, 06:42:27 PM
So essentially on the SunPass issue the answer is pretty much "who knows what the best option is." Ugh.

If your account is up-to-date, you can confidently shut off the transponder and just use your SunPass Mini. Avis uses Velcro to hold it in place on the windshield. Sometimes I find it in the glovebox or center console storage (or completely missing) from the vehicle, but I suppose the OFF switch should do the trick by shielding the transponder

I don't think it checks license plates and verifies them against your account, unless your balance is not enough to pay the toll, or the transponder is not in use.



I wouldn't worry about the Sunpass issue too much.  I racked a bunch of tolls while I was in Florida, and all were posted by the time I returned the rental.

Since you are using a rental, you can also set a specific date and time to remove the car from your account when you register the car.  I set my account to remove the rental for the same time that I returned it.

This is what we did. She left the SunPass Mini at home and called me from the airport when she got the car; I was logged into our SunPass account on my office PC and added the car with an expiration date and time. We'll see how it works. Today's tolls on the Bee Line haven't posted yet, but then I would expect with no transponder it would take longer than it does normally (they usually post instantly, confirmed by an auto-replenishment appearing on my Apple Watch shortly after passing under a toll gantry last time we were in Florida).

She told me she asked the guy at the rental counter about it: "Man said to flip the car pass to off so mine will be used." I'm not really sure what she means by that, but I keep reading it as flipping off the pass and obviously that's not what it means!




Quote from: 02 Park Ave on August 21, 2018, 05:55:34 PM
CFX is joining the E ZPass Network on 1st Sepember!

I'm still curious as to how this is to work on roads that are split between agencies–I believe FL-417 is partially CFX and partially Turnpike Enterprise. Presumably the CFX portion will accept E-ZPass and the other portion won't. That's a recipe for trouble and confusion. I wonder how they'll sign this in a clear fashion.

I guess we should remove our E-ZPass from the windshield when we're in Orlando in the future just to be safe.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on August 21, 2018, 07:50:47 PM
Now this is interesting:

QuoteMoving forward, possibly by the end of the year, the two agencies are planning on unveiling a new transponder that will actually combine E-PASS and E-ZPass into one ....

I'd love to hear more details on this, although I highly doubt the E-ZPass Flex functionality will be part of this dual solution, so it wouldn't likely work for Ms1995hoo and me. Still, it'll be interesting to find out what they do.

Source for that quotation: http://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2018/08/08/extra-on-getting-there--e-zpass-now-located-at-e-pass-tolls
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: lordsutch on August 21, 2018, 11:24:16 PM
Quote from: 1 on July 20, 2018, 08:31:07 AM
Question: Why is there no freeway spur to Ocala, Gainesville, Clearwater, or Fort Myers/Cape Coral?

My understanding is that once upon a time (1970s, maybe early 1980s) there were plans for a freeway/tollway loop around Ocala; I saw a map once that showed a vague routing (I think it was roughly around 326 on the north side, 35 to the east, and somewhere around SW/SE 80th Street to the south). My guess is basically the same small-town thinkers killed it who (at least apocryphally) killed off Disney and MLB spring training coming to Ocala.

Incidentally, FDOT recently buried the Coastal Connector study because of Marion County NIMBYs, so if there ever is going to be a toll road to Jacksonville, it'll probably end up paralleling SR 24 instead of US 301 south of Waldo to Gainesville and then roughly following SR 121 & US 41 down to the Suncoast. I can't imagine Williston saying no to freeway access even if Ocala & Marion County are content to choke in traffic with half-assed solutions like the Belleview bypass.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: edwaleni on August 23, 2018, 11:18:14 PM
Quote from: lordsutch on August 21, 2018, 11:24:16 PM
Quote from: 1 on July 20, 2018, 08:31:07 AM
Question: Why is there no freeway spur to Ocala, Gainesville, Clearwater, or Fort Myers/Cape Coral?

My understanding is that once upon a time (1970s, maybe early 1980s) there were plans for a freeway/tollway loop around Ocala; I saw a map once that showed a vague routing (I think it was roughly around 326 on the north side, 35 to the east, and somewhere around SW/SE 80th Street to the south). My guess is basically the same small-town thinkers killed it who (at least apocryphally) killed off Disney and MLB spring training coming to Ocala.

Incidentally, FDOT recently buried the Coastal Connector study because of Marion County NIMBYs, so if there ever is going to be a toll road to Jacksonville, it'll probably end up paralleling SR 24 instead of US 301 south of Waldo to Gainesville and then roughly following SR 121 & US 41 down to the Suncoast. I can't imagine Williston saying no to freeway access even if Ocala & Marion County are content to choke in traffic with half-assed solutions like the Belleview bypass.

Here is the obituary on the Coastal Connector.  Seen as a threat to the local equine industry.  West of Ocala and down to Dunnellon are a great deal of horse farms and breeders.

http://www.floridasturnpike.com/coastalconnector.html (http://www.floridasturnpike.com/coastalconnector.html)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jim on August 23, 2018, 11:43:41 PM
It looks like one victim of the Starke Bypass is likely to be Norman's farmstand.  We've been stopping there for years, including a couple days ago, on our way north out of Florida.  Their location is right at the north end of the bypass.  From what I can tell, they might only be accessible from the northbound lane of traffic coming out of Starke on current 301 before it joins northbound bypass traffic.  They have always had a series of signs along the roadway advertising whatever's currently available at the stand, but this week one of the signs read something like "Please Stop In, Construction is Killing Us".
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on August 26, 2018, 06:06:31 PM
Following up on my rental-car tolls question: Ms1995hoo has been in Florida since Tuesday. She used the Bee Line on Tuesday (MCO to her sister's house) and Wednesday (coming back from a day trip to Venice) and she mistakenly used the I-75 express lanes yesterday. So far, only one toll transaction has posted–Wednesday night at what it labels as "Main B"  on the Bee Line. Be interesting to see whether anything else posts before she returns the car Tuesday, or alternatively how long it takes after that time for tolls to post retroactively. I suppose portions of the Bee Line are CFX, so I guess that might affect matters.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on August 26, 2018, 07:10:51 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 26, 2018, 06:06:31 PM
Following up on my rental-car tolls question: Ms1995hoo has been in Florida since Tuesday. She used the Bee Line on Tuesday (MCO to her sister's house) and Wednesday (coming back from a day trip to Venice) and she mistakenly used the I-75 express lanes yesterday. So far, only one toll transaction has posted–Wednesday night at what it labels as "Main B"  on the Bee Line. Be interesting to see whether anything else posts before she returns the car Tuesday, or alternatively how long it takes after that time for tolls to post retroactively. I suppose portions of the Bee Line are CFX, so I guess that might affect matters.

Bee Line between the Brevard County line to the Sand Lake Road interchange is CFEA, the rest is Florida's Turnpike Enterprise.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on August 30, 2018, 08:50:43 AM
A few other tolls (but not all) posted yesterday, so about a three-business-day delay. What'll be interesting is to find out whether we get charged for all those same tolls by the rental agency.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 30, 2018, 07:41:21 PM
Again the lazy workers are procrastinating on John Young Parkway in Kissimmee.  The road has all six lanes done, except for a final coat of asphalt to be added.  They have one SB lane and the turn pockets to add its base on top of the lower fills, before adding the last coat to the whole width and then the much needed third lane can be finally opened.

The workers work only one night a week, and pave only one lane of traffic for a bout a half a mile from 10 PM to whenver they quit in the AM.

People complain about this but FDOT allows them cart blanche on this whole schedule to get it done.  Even the local paper wrote articles on this and has impacted these idiots none.  Maybe by the time the next USPOTUS full term (if he is not impeached first) the road may be done as the state keeps pushing the completion date back over and over again
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: edwaleni on September 03, 2018, 12:46:56 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 30, 2018, 07:41:21 PM
Again the lazy workers are procrastinating on John Young Parkway in Kissimmee.  The road has all six lanes done, except for a final coat of asphalt to be added.  They have one SB lane and the turn pockets to add its base on top of the lower fills, before adding the last coat to the whole width and then the much needed third lane can be finally opened.

The workers work only one night a week, and pave only one lane of traffic for a bout a half a mile from 10 PM to whenver they quit in the AM.

People complain about this but FDOT allows them cart blanche on this whole schedule to get it done.  Even the local paper wrote articles on this and has impacted these idiots none.  Maybe by the time the next USPOTUS full term (if he is not impeached first) the road may be done as the state keeps pushing the completion date back over and over again

The issue is the asphalt supplier. Deliveries after a certain time causes problems with cost.  So they load up all they can before the supplier stops making hot mix and shuts down for the night.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 03, 2018, 12:49:47 AM
But it's easier to blame lazy workers.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on September 05, 2018, 01:38:14 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on September 03, 2018, 12:46:56 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 30, 2018, 07:41:21 PM
Again the lazy workers are procrastinating on John Young Parkway in Kissimmee.  The road has all six lanes done, except for a final coat of asphalt to be added.  They have one SB lane and the turn pockets to add its base on top of the lower fills, before adding the last coat to the whole width and then the much needed third lane can be finally opened.

The workers work only one night a week, and pave only one lane of traffic for a bout a half a mile from 10 PM to whenver they quit in the AM.

People complain about this but FDOT allows them cart blanche on this whole schedule to get it done.  Even the local paper wrote articles on this and has impacted these idiots none.  Maybe by the time the next USPOTUS full term (if he is not impeached first) the road may be done as the state keeps pushing the completion date back over and over again

The issue is the asphalt supplier. Deliveries after a certain time causes problems with cost.  So they load up all they can before the supplier stops making hot mix and shuts down for the night.

So why hasn't someone fallen on the supplier from a great height?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on September 05, 2018, 08:28:49 AM
Following up on my SunPass query, ultimately a few tolls posted to our account and a few didn't. Ms1995hoo followed her Garmin and took the Sawgrass to the Turnpike instead of I-95 on her way back from Pembroke Pines to Viera. The Sawgrass tolls posted. Oddly, the Turnpike posted a 64¢ toll from Fort Pierce; it doesn't seem they've  synced up with a photo from the Lantana barrier to get the correct amount. I assume there will be a charge to her VISA card sometime soon from the rental agency and I expect we will likely get hit for some of the same tolls that posted to our SunPass, but there's likely no way to challenge individual ones because I'm sure Budget will do a single lump charge.

All in all, this experience leaves me skeptical of ever again adding a rental car to our account but not using the transponder.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 05, 2018, 06:50:18 PM
 I just got a letter from EPass in Orlando and said a computer screw up between Sunpass and them is going to add some back tolls never charged.  Hope that does not add much to my bill.  They are nice, so they say, but they will allow a 3 month payment plan on tolls that cannot be made paid possible.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 17, 2018, 11:05:00 PM
Who here has seen some of the new signs along US 41 in Withlacoochee State Forest?


And don't worry; I'm well aware they're all perfectly MUTCD.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on November 05, 2018, 09:57:54 PM
Hey, did my eyes deceive me last month, or are they really not eliminating the left exit at southbound Interstate 75 and the Florida's Turnpike in Wildwood?

:-o
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 06, 2018, 02:08:01 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on November 05, 2018, 09:57:54 PM
Hey, did my eyes deceive me last month, or are they really not eliminating the left exit at southbound Interstate 75 and the Florida's Turnpike in Wildwood?

Trafficwise it's an almost perfectly equal split. Suck it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on November 06, 2018, 02:50:30 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 06, 2018, 02:08:01 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on November 05, 2018, 09:57:54 PM
Hey, did my eyes deceive me last month, or are they really not eliminating the left exit at southbound Interstate 75 and the Florida's Turnpike in Wildwood?

Trafficwise it's an almost perfectly equal split. Suck it.

That's true, but I've seen a lot of cars go in reverse at that point to avoid going one way or another. I can't understand why Left Exits are so mystifying to so many drivers, though taking away the Left Only option would help.

A right-exit C/D road from FL 44 would help remove some of the weaving. In the end, you can't fix all the stupid.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on November 06, 2018, 06:49:58 PM
Well, I know the original plan was to replace the southbound left exit with a right exit, and convert the southbound entrance ramp from FL 44 into a C/D road from FL 44, with a separate left entrance to the turnpike.


Judging by the future signs in the area, it looks like they're keeping everything more or less the same.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: edwaleni on November 07, 2018, 12:29:54 PM
Quote from: formulanone on November 06, 2018, 02:50:30 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 06, 2018, 02:08:01 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on November 05, 2018, 09:57:54 PM
Hey, did my eyes deceive me last month, or are they really not eliminating the left exit at southbound Interstate 75 and the Florida's Turnpike in Wildwood?

Trafficwise it's an almost perfectly equal split. Suck it.

That's true, but I've seen a lot of cars go in reverse at that point to avoid going one way or another. I can't understand why Left Exits are so mystifying to so many drivers, though taking away the Left Only option would help.

A right-exit C/D road from FL 44 would help remove some of the weaving. In the end, you can't fix all the stupid.

Highway drone effect. Radio and cruise control on. 2 fingers on the steering wheel. Not paying attention.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 03, 2018, 09:16:44 AM
Where did the tradeoff end in Lakeland?

I see that SR 33 was truncated shortening its mileage as well as both Business routes of US 92 and 98 being decommissioned. Plus even SR 572 being truncated when Polk Parkway got built, all to be turned over to the city of Lakeland.  So that should mean that some Lakeland Streets should have become part of the state road system, but has not.

Yes the creation of SR 548 has added some mileage to the state route system but not enough to cover the loss of the mentioned routes completely.


Also if US 92 Business is gone why is SR 600 still considered to be on it?  Why has not SR 600 been shifted to follow mainline US 92?  Ditto for SR 35 which uses the original US 98 Business and SR 700 that uses the former US 98 alignment on Lake Parker Avenue.  Because of the former SR 548 ends abruptly while concurrent with US 98 as SR 35 takes over where it ends at the intersection of Main and Bartow.  SR 548 should end at US 98 taking over the new George Jenkins Extension and both SR 35 & 700 should be on with 98 there, but all are as is.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on December 03, 2018, 04:59:12 PM
Found a video of a DDI coming to Northern Tampa metro area in 2019... I-75 at SR 56

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4V6veOaYMk
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 05, 2018, 07:49:40 PM
I hope they're still going to extend SR 56 to US 301.

I'm a bit iffy about the pedestrian-bicycle path. I'm okay with them being directed into the middle of the median, but eastbound pedestrians have to make such jagged movements from the southbound on-ramp to the diverging of the two segments of SR 56, to the northbound off-ramp.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on December 14, 2018, 11:50:33 AM
Google Maps estimates 2:06 and 148 miles from Yeehaw Junction to Weston if we take the Turnpike to the Sawgrass. It estimates 2:30 and 131 miles if instead we go down US-441 and around the east side of Lake Okeechobee through Belle Glade and South Bay to US-27. Is that a realistic estimate or are we likely to get stuck behind slow-moving vehicles or trucks that would prove difficult to pass? (If it matters, we'll be making the drive next Saturday afternoon, Dec. 22, so Christmas traffic past Sawgrass Mills crosses my mind as a possible factor on the highway.)

Thanks in advance. In the scheme of things, the extra half-hour doesn't much matter, and I expect the travel time Google gives me for the Turnpike now, on a Friday morning, is likely a lower estimate than would be the case on a heavy travel day like next Saturday. (We are driving down from Jacksonville with a stop to see a friend at Lake Asbury, so it's a chance for a lot of new roads: FL-23, US-17 through Palatka, maybe some others northwest of Orlando to avoid the I-4 work zone.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 14, 2018, 12:35:42 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 14, 2018, 11:50:33 AM
Google Maps estimates 2:06 and 148 miles from Yeehaw Junction to Weston if we take the Turnpike to the Sawgrass. It estimates 2:30 and 131 miles if instead we go down US-441 and around the east side of Lake Okeechobee through Belle Glade and South Bay to US-27. Is that a realistic estimate or are we likely to get stuck behind slow-moving vehicles or trucks that would prove difficult to pass? (If it matters, we'll be making the drive next Saturday afternoon, Dec. 22, so Christmas traffic past Sawgrass Mills crosses my mind as a possible factor on the highway.)

Thanks in advance. In the scheme of things, the extra half-hour doesn't much matter, and I expect the travel time Google gives me for the Turnpike now, on a Friday morning, is likely a lower estimate than would be the case on a heavy travel day like next Saturday. (We are driving down from Jacksonville with a stop to see a friend at Lake Asbury, so it's a chance for a lot of new roads: FL-23, US-17 through Palatka, maybe some others northwest of Orlando to avoid the I-4 work zone.)

US 27 four lanes with no traffic lights until I-75.  Take FL 715 from Pahokee to bypass Belle Glade.  I used to take 441, 715, and 27 to the Turnpike all the time from Orlando.  It's a great scenic route around Lake Okeechobee and the Everglades with Very little traffic, I'd highly recommend it to the snooze fest Turnpike. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 02 Park Ave on December 14, 2018, 01:45:21 PM
Whenever I use Google maps for directions I calculate the average speed required to achieve their estimated travel time.  If that looks unrealistic then I recalculate the time using a more appropriate average speed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on December 14, 2018, 03:25:00 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 14, 2018, 12:35:42 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 14, 2018, 11:50:33 AM
Google Maps estimates 2:06 and 148 miles from Yeehaw Junction to Weston if we take the Turnpike to the Sawgrass. It estimates 2:30 and 131 miles if instead we go down US-441 and around the east side of Lake Okeechobee through Belle Glade and South Bay to US-27. Is that a realistic estimate or are we likely to get stuck behind slow-moving vehicles or trucks that would prove difficult to pass? (If it matters, we'll be making the drive next Saturday afternoon, Dec. 22, so Christmas traffic past Sawgrass Mills crosses my mind as a possible factor on the highway.)

Thanks in advance. In the scheme of things, the extra half-hour doesn't much matter, and I expect the travel time Google gives me for the Turnpike now, on a Friday morning, is likely a lower estimate than would be the case on a heavy travel day like next Saturday. (We are driving down from Jacksonville with a stop to see a friend at Lake Asbury, so it's a chance for a lot of new roads: FL-23, US-17 through Palatka, maybe some others northwest of Orlando to avoid the I-4 work zone.)

US 27 four lanes with no traffic lights until I-75.  Take FL 715 from Pahokee to bypass Belle Glade.  I used to take 441, 715, and 27 to the Turnpike all the time from Orlando.  It's a great scenic route around Lake Okeechobee and the Everglades with Very little traffic, I'd highly recommend it to the snooze fest Turnpike. 

715 is a negligible bypass of Belle Glade. 729 bypasses a good deal of Pahokee.

There's a pretty good chance you'll get held up by something on the two-lanes, but they're fairly wide (save a few old bridges) and usually have paved shoulders. This is sugar cane country, expect to get caught behind at least one truck and one hauling a boat trailer.

US 27 is four lanes and little to see, but that doesn't stop Florida Highway Patrol and the small town cops from excessive speed enforcement from the medians. Keep near the limits in town, and no more than 8 over on the 65 mph portions.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 14, 2018, 04:25:11 PM
Quote from: formulanone on December 14, 2018, 03:25:00 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 14, 2018, 12:35:42 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 14, 2018, 11:50:33 AM
Google Maps estimates 2:06 and 148 miles from Yeehaw Junction to Weston if we take the Turnpike to the Sawgrass. It estimates 2:30 and 131 miles if instead we go down US-441 and around the east side of Lake Okeechobee through Belle Glade and South Bay to US-27. Is that a realistic estimate or are we likely to get stuck behind slow-moving vehicles or trucks that would prove difficult to pass? (If it matters, we'll be making the drive next Saturday afternoon, Dec. 22, so Christmas traffic past Sawgrass Mills crosses my mind as a possible factor on the highway.)

Thanks in advance. In the scheme of things, the extra half-hour doesn't much matter, and I expect the travel time Google gives me for the Turnpike now, on a Friday morning, is likely a lower estimate than would be the case on a heavy travel day like next Saturday. (We are driving down from Jacksonville with a stop to see a friend at Lake Asbury, so it's a chance for a lot of new roads: FL-23, US-17 through Palatka, maybe some others northwest of Orlando to avoid the I-4 work zone.)

US 27 four lanes with no traffic lights until I-75.  Take FL 715 from Pahokee to bypass Belle Glade.  I used to take 441, 715, and 27 to the Turnpike all the time from Orlando.  It's a great scenic route around Lake Okeechobee and the Everglades with Very little traffic, I'd highly recommend it to the snooze fest Turnpike. 

715 is a negligible bypass of Belle Glade. 729 bypasses a good deal of Pahokee.

There's a pretty good chance you'll get held up by something on the two-lanes, but they're fairly wide (save a few old bridges) and usually have paved shoulders. This is sugar cane country, expect to get caught behind at least one truck and one hauling a boat trailer.

US 27 is four lanes and little to see, but that doesn't stop Florida Highway Patrol and the small town cops from excessive speed enforcement from the medians. Keep near the limits in town, and no more than 8 over on the 65 mph portions.

I should add if US 27 is the route of choice then avoid 441 and 80 unless you really have your heart set on seeing the town (it isn't worth it IMO).  441 between Pahokee and Belle Glade has a lot Sheriff patrol vehicles and a lot of unnecessary 45 MPH speed limits.  I've heard Speed traps in Pahokee have been bad but I've never had trouble in the past on 441 going 5 over.  Conversely I've found that FHP tends to enforce the Turnpike very aggressively between 60 and 70.  Granted most people try to go 85 MPH plus which probably doesn't help. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on December 14, 2018, 05:29:07 PM
The only part of US-27 I expect to use is from South Bay down to Weston (and between Griffin Road and Sheridan Street going to and from our relatives' house). Been on that segment before going from Fort Myers to Pembroke Pines, but in that area it's hard to avoid retracing some familiar paths.

We plan to spend Friday night near JAX Airport, then on Saturday we'll loop around to the west and use the new FL-23 down to Lake Asbury (thrilled to avoid Blanding Boulevard). After our visit there, we'll go down to Green Cove Springs to pick up US-17 south through Palatka to some yet-to-be-decided point at which we'll cut southwest to re-clinch FL-429 since the new part opened after our last visit last Christmas. We'll take that to the Turnpike and I was basically trying to decide between the all-highway route to Weston or the Lake Okeechobee route (I know you probably can't see the lake from the road).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on December 14, 2018, 05:53:50 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 14, 2018, 05:29:07 PM
We’ll take that to the Turnpike and I was basically trying to decide between the all-highway route to Weston or the Lake Okeechobee route (I know you probably can’t see the lake from the road).

Canal Point offers a spot which is the best "boat-less" way to see Lake Okeechobee without the levee in the way.

https://www.google.com/maps/@26.8649649,-80.6313059,17.92z

There isn't much of a way to bypass the city of Okeechobee (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/27.3759924,-80.817392/27.1479436,-80.6961112/@27.2802589,-80.8092593,11.7z/data=!4m3!4m2!3e0!5i1), but since it's the last bit of civilization on your intended route between there and Pembroke Pines (read: it has a Publix), you may want to stop there.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 14, 2018, 07:13:17 PM
Quote from: formulanone on December 14, 2018, 05:53:50 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 14, 2018, 05:29:07 PM
We'll take that to the Turnpike and I was basically trying to decide between the all-highway route to Weston or the Lake Okeechobee route (I know you probably can't see the lake from the road).

Canal Point offers a spot which is the best "boat-less" way to see Lake Okeechobee without the levee in the way.

https://www.google.com/maps/@26.8649649,-80.6313059,17.92z

There isn't much of a way to bypass the city of Okeechobee (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/27.3759924,-80.817392/27.1479436,-80.6961112/@27.2802589,-80.8092593,11.7z/data=!4m3!4m2!3e0!5i1), but since it's the last bit of civilization on your intended route between there and Pembroke Pines (read: it has a Publix), you may want to stop there.

Pahokee State Park is unobstructed from Lake Okeechobee as well. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on December 14, 2018, 07:15:17 PM
So from what y'all are saying, there's no real reason not to leave the Turnpike at Yeehaw Junction (if we even take it that far south) and head down around the lake?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 14, 2018, 07:30:19 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 14, 2018, 07:15:17 PM
So from what y'all are saying, there's no real reason not to leave the Turnpike at Yeehaw Junction (if we even take it that far south) and head down around the lake?

Pahokee State Park is right off of US 441/98 in Pahokee just a tad.  Canal Point is the 441/98 route as well.  It really depends on what you want to do, if you head towards Lake Okeechobee you will see it if you stop in the right place.  Slightly to the north at Port Mayaca US 441/98 rises over birm briefly offering a view of the lake. There are also some ghost towns worth seeing down that way if that's worth your while.  Generally my opinions slant towards surface highways  over controlled access, especially when it includes urban areas like Fort Lauderdale or long stretches of nothing. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 14, 2018, 07:35:27 PM
Speaking of Florida I'll be visiting myself January 13th to the 21st.  I have a couple photo cliches in mind:

FL 50
FL 19
FL 24
I-4
I-275
FL 618

This isn't the typical mega trip fare I generally do with 10 days plus off.  I'm considering heading down to Everglades National Park for the day but I'll see how I feel about it later.  I'm looking at focusing mainly on the Tampa Bay and Orlando areas if anyone has ideas for anything
New or interesting to see road wise.  To that end if anyone wants to meet up things are pretty open ended plan wise right now. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on December 16, 2018, 12:49:04 PM
Quote from: 02 Park Ave on December 14, 2018, 01:45:21 PM
Whenever I use Google maps for directions I calculate the average speed required to achieve their estimated travel time.  If that looks unrealistic then I recalculate the time using a more appropriate average speed.

BTW, I didn't get around to responding to this before. The point of my question was that the roads down past Lake Okeechobee are roads I have not travelled before (other than US-27 south of South Bay), so I don't have a good way to gauge what is a "realistic" or "appropriate" average speed because I don't know what to expect. Hence why I asked for feedback and why I asked whether Google's estimate was reasonable. Google Maps, or for that matter any other electronic mapping database, isn't much good for estimating whether you're likely to get stuck behind yokels driving tractors or poking along in 50-year-old pickups, and unless you want to spend a crazy amount of time doing a virtual drive it won't tell you what sort of passing zones exist on the two-lane roads (I'm sure most of us have experienced the frustration of being stuck on a road that has no, or almost no, passing zones).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on December 24, 2018, 09:52:51 AM
Following up on my query above, we wound up skipping the Lake Okeechobee detour. My wife was grumpy after using rural roads between Jacksonville and the Orlando area, so I agreed that if the Turnpike was moving well and didn't seem too heavy we'd stay on there. It was moving right along, so that's what we did (would have switched to I-95 if necessary, but it wasn't necessary).

Thanks for the advice anyway. I'll remember it for a future trip. If we take the Auto Train it's probably easier for me to get away with back-road detours than it is when it's the latter half of a two-day thousand-plus-mile drive.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 10, 2019, 05:19:25 PM
Does anyone have any information on the abandoned concrete overpass above Dixie Highway, east of US 1 and FL 713 (https://www.google.com/maps/@27.5487207,-80.3667678,621m/data=!3m1!1e3)?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/St_Lucie_County_FL_old_Dixie_Hwy_overpass02.jpg)
by: Ebyabe [CC BY-SA 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0)], from Wikimedia Commons

It looks like a 1990s-era creation, with its slightly sculpted concreted sides and little flanges for lighting or perhaps sign posts. But I can't find any information on it. Was it supposed to span the Intracoastal? Go to a planned business? Did the creation Avalon State Park put an end to it? It doesn't even seem as if traffic counts could have been high enough to justify it, especially since it spans a little local road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Beltway on January 10, 2019, 06:50:20 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 10, 2019, 05:19:25 PM
Does anyone have any information on the abandoned concrete overpass above Dixie Highway, east of US 1 and FL 713 (https://www.google.com/maps/@27.5487207,-80.3667678,621m/data=!3m1!1e3)?

Looks like not over 30 years old, and not abandoned but was never connected to a road.

Maybe part of a proposed but unbuilt causeway over the Indian River?  Interchange would be at that site?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 10, 2019, 07:28:07 PM
A 2007 aerial shows the approaches under construction and no bridge there yet.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 10, 2019, 11:10:15 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 14, 2018, 07:35:27 PM
Speaking of Florida I'll be visiting myself January 13th to the 21st.  I have a couple photo cliches in mind:

FL 50
FL 19
FL 24
I-4
I-275
FL 618

This isn't the typical mega trip fare I generally do with 10 days plus off.  I'm considering heading down to Everglades National Park for the day but I'll see how I feel about it later.  I'm looking at focusing mainly on the Tampa Bay and Orlando areas if anyone has ideas for anything
New or interesting to see road wise.  To that end if anyone wants to meet up things are pretty open ended plan wise right now. 
Suncoast Extension is now visibly seen on Citrus County 490 near Lecanto.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 10, 2019, 11:17:48 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 10, 2019, 11:10:15 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 14, 2018, 07:35:27 PM
Speaking of Florida I'll be visiting myself January 13th to the 21st.  I have a couple photo cliches in mind:

FL 50
FL 19
FL 24
I-4
I-275
FL 618

This isn't the typical mega trip fare I generally do with 10 days plus off.  I'm considering heading down to Everglades National Park for the day but I'll see how I feel about it later.  I'm looking at focusing mainly on the Tampa Bay and Orlando areas if anyone has ideas for anything
New or interesting to see road wise.  To that end if anyone wants to meet up things are pretty open ended plan wise right now. 
Suncoast Extension is now visibly seen on Citrus County 490 near Lecanto.

That's probably worth a look, I'll be in Citrus County Monday hiking back out to Mannfield in the morning.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 10, 2019, 11:53:05 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 14, 2018, 07:35:27 PM
Speaking of Florida I'll be visiting myself January 13th to the 21st.  I have a couple photo cliches in mind:

FL 50
FL 19
FL 24
I-4
I-275
FL 618

This isn't the typical mega trip fare I generally do with 10 days plus off.  I'm considering heading down to Everglades National Park for the day but I'll see how I feel about it later.  I'm looking at focusing mainly on the Tampa Bay and Orlando areas if anyone has ideas for anything
New or interesting to see road wise.  To that end if anyone wants to meet up things are pretty open ended plan wise right now. 
Not looking forward to any meet ups, but I've considered going on some photographic rampages of I-175, I-275 and I-375 in Pinellas County, primarily because of the limited coverage within the Wikimedia commons. In the case of I-275, a recent split of road sign gantries into county-specific categories created one for Pinellas County that only has one image.


I also want to improve the Wikimedia Commons coverage of the I-4 Rest Areas in Seminole County. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 12, 2019, 12:48:45 AM
http://www.fdottampabay.com/project/109/256243-2-52-01
FDOT misspelled Boulevard.  Hillarious. :-D

A job for NE 2. :D
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: edwaleni on January 12, 2019, 03:22:51 AM
Quote from: formulanone on January 10, 2019, 05:19:25 PM
Does anyone have any information on the abandoned concrete overpass above Dixie Highway, east of US 1 and FL 713 (https://www.google.com/maps/@27.5487207,-80.3667678,621m/data=!3m1!1e3)?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/St_Lucie_County_FL_old_Dixie_Hwy_overpass02.jpg)
by: Ebyabe [CC BY-SA 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0)], from Wikimedia Commons

It looks like a 1990s-era creation, with its slightly sculpted concreted sides and little flanges for lighting or perhaps sign posts. But I can't find any information on it. Was it supposed to span the Intracoastal? Go to a planned business? Did the creation Avalon State Park put an end to it? It doesn't even seem as if traffic counts could have been high enough to justify it, especially since it spans a little local road.

It was supposed to serve a development tract east of US1, but it went defunct.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on January 12, 2019, 09:24:49 AM
^^^

That might explain the sign about land for sale that you see at the nearby intersection if you go into Street View, then.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2019, 09:48:16 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 10, 2019, 11:53:05 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 14, 2018, 07:35:27 PM
Speaking of Florida I'll be visiting myself January 13th to the 21st.  I have a couple photo cliches in mind:

FL 50
FL 19
FL 24
I-4
I-275
FL 618

This isn't the typical mega trip fare I generally do with 10 days plus off.  I'm considering heading down to Everglades National Park for the day but I'll see how I feel about it later.  I'm looking at focusing mainly on the Tampa Bay and Orlando areas if anyone has ideas for anything
New or interesting to see road wise.  To that end if anyone wants to meet up things are pretty open ended plan wise right now. 
Not looking forward to any meet ups, but I've considered going on some photographic rampages of I-175, I-275 and I-375 in Pinellas County, primarily because of the limited coverage within the Wikimedia commons. In the case of I-275, a recent split of road sign gantries into county-specific categories created one for Pinellas County that only has one image.


I also want to improve the Wikimedia Commons coverage of the I-4 Rest Areas in Seminole County.

I'm probably hitting I-175 and I-375 as well...looks like Tuesday.  Anything specific you're looking for photo wise?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 12, 2019, 10:10:34 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2019, 09:48:16 AM
I'm probably hitting I-175 and I-375 as well...looks like Tuesday.  Anything specific you're looking for photo wise?
Ooh, maybe something like actual interchanges and signs, overhead sign gantries, stubs for former ramps and extensions.

I know both roads are short and unfinished, but they still need more photographic coverage than what's now available.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 13, 2019, 07:39:22 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 12, 2019, 10:10:34 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2019, 09:48:16 AM
I'm probably hitting I-175 and I-375 as well...looks like Tuesday.  Anything specific you're looking for photo wise?
Ooh, maybe something like actual interchanges and signs, overhead sign gantries, stubs for former ramps and extensions.

I know both roads are short and unfinished, but they still need more photographic coverage than what's now available.

I'll let you know if I get to them, really with them both being so short I don't see why I wouldn't make the effort to get an album for each.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 17, 2019, 10:32:11 PM
At US 92 and Westshore in South Tampa, piers are up for the future Lee Roy Selmon Extension plus work is being done at the current west end of that toll road. The bridge that once carried the ramp to EB US 92 is demolished and traffic that direction is doubling up on the EB ramp from US 92 EB overpass.

It will be interesting to see how traffic to US 92 EB to Dale Mabry will exit as with the overhead elevated toll road done it will sever that ramp. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on January 18, 2019, 09:18:28 AM
I have a question about getting across Florida from Orlando to Tampa before I-4 was built. From Google (and that may add to my confusion), it looks like there wasn't much choice for routes. It appears that U.S. 441 south out of Orlando to Kissimmee (where 441 ends?) was the start, then pick up U.S. 17 to meander west and south to Lake Alfred, where U.S. 92 starts (ends?). That road goes pretty much west into the north part of Tampa, but there are then various ways to get south into Tampa proper.

I'm just curious after dealing with I-4 and near standstill traffic in travels from our son's home in Apollo Beach to the airport in Orlando and a trip over to Port Canaveral. The closest I have come to an alternative was coming back from Orlando and hitting traffic near Plant City. We got off on 39A and went around Plant City to 39, then took that south to 672, then took that west through Balm to U.S. 301 and then to our son's house.

Bruce in Blacksburg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 18, 2019, 10:03:40 AM
Quote from: VTGoose on January 18, 2019, 09:18:28 AM
I have a question about getting across Florida from Orlando to Tampa before I-4 was built. From Google (and that may add to my confusion), it looks like there wasn't much choice for routes. It appears that U.S. 441 south out of Orlando to Kissimmee (where 441 ends?) was the start, then pick up U.S. 17 to meander west and south to Lake Alfred, where U.S. 92 starts (ends?). That road goes pretty much west into the north part of Tampa, but there are then various ways to get south into Tampa proper.

I'm just curious after dealing with I-4 and near standstill traffic in travels from our son's home in Apollo Beach to the airport in Orlando and a trip over to Port Canaveral. The closest I have come to an alternative was coming back from Orlando and hitting traffic near Plant City. We got off on 39A and went around Plant City to 39, then took that south to 672, then took that west through Balm to U.S. 301 and then to our son's house.

Bruce in Blacksburg

US 92 essentially was completely replaced by I-4.  If you're looking for an alternate route FL 60 west of Bartow isn't too bad but you really don't have many choices with the Green Swamp in the way.  US 92/17 is probably worth it just to see the Old Tampa Highway which is a segment of the  Dixie Highway still in use.   
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Beltway on January 18, 2019, 10:21:30 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 18, 2019, 10:03:40 AM
Quote from: VTGoose on January 18, 2019, 09:18:28 AM
I have a question about getting across Florida from Orlando to Tampa before I-4 was built. From Google (and that may add to my confusion), it looks like there wasn't much choice for routes. It appears that U.S. 441 south out of Orlando to Kissimmee (where 441 ends?) was the start, then pick up U.S. 17 to meander west and south to Lake Alfred, where U.S. 92 starts (ends?). That road goes pretty much west into the north part of Tampa, but there are then various ways to get south into Tampa proper.
I'm just curious after dealing with I-4 and near standstill traffic in travels from our son's home in Apollo Beach to the airport in Orlando and a trip over to Port Canaveral. The closest I have come to an alternative was coming back from Orlando and hitting traffic near Plant City. We got off on 39A and went around Plant City to 39, then took that south to 672, then took that west through Balm to U.S. 301 and then to our son's house.  Bruce in Blacksburg
US 92 essentially was completely replaced by I-4.  If you're looking for an alternate route FL 60 west of Bartow isn't too bad but you really don't have many choices with the Green Swamp in the way.  US 92/17 is probably worth it just to see the Old Tampa Highway which is a segment of the  Dixie Highway still in use.   

I-4 was completed in the early 1960s before Brevard County and Orlando really took off.   We lived there in the 1960s (Melbourne area) and Orlando was nothing like today, it had something like 50,000 city population with a small suburban area, there was no Disney World, and Brevard was still ramping up for the space program and Port Canaveral was a commercial port only.  Vastly lower traffic volumes back then.

For traveling say between Cocoa and Tampa, probably FL-520 to FL-50 to US-92, and that would take you thru Orlando.

Pre-Interstate days it was commonplace on long trips to have to drive thru major cities as many of them did not have a bypass.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on January 18, 2019, 10:33:22 AM
Quote from: VTGoose on January 18, 2019, 09:18:28 AM
I have a question about getting across Florida from Orlando to Tampa before I-4 was built. From Google (and that may add to my confusion), it looks like there wasn't much choice for routes. It appears that U.S. 441 south out of Orlando to Kissimmee (where 441 ends?) was the start, then pick up U.S. 17 to meander west and south to Lake Alfred, where U.S. 92 starts (ends?). That road goes pretty much west into the north part of Tampa, but there are then various ways to get south into Tampa proper.

I'm just curious after dealing with I-4 and near standstill traffic in travels from our son's home in Apollo Beach to the airport in Orlando and a trip over to Port Canaveral. The closest I have come to an alternative was coming back from Orlando and hitting traffic near Plant City. We got off on 39A and went around Plant City to 39, then took that south to 672, then took that west through Balm to U.S. 301 and then to our son's house.

Bruce in Blacksburg


US 441 does not end in Kissimmee. Google maps just is not great at showing concurrencies.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Eth on January 18, 2019, 10:55:08 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on January 18, 2019, 10:33:22 AM
Quote from: VTGoose on January 18, 2019, 09:18:28 AMIt appears that U.S. 441 south out of Orlando to Kissimmee (where 441 ends?) was the start, then pick up U.S. 17 to meander west and south to Lake Alfred, where U.S. 92 starts (ends?).

US 441 does not end in Kissimmee. Google maps just is not great at showing concurrencies.

Right. For instance, the entire route originally mentioned here is also US 92 (if you zoom in farther and maybe scroll around a bit, it'll eventually show up).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: adventurernumber1 on January 18, 2019, 04:45:35 PM
Quote from: Eth on January 18, 2019, 10:55:08 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on January 18, 2019, 10:33:22 AM
Quote from: VTGoose on January 18, 2019, 09:18:28 AMIt appears that U.S. 441 south out of Orlando to Kissimmee (where 441 ends?) was the start, then pick up U.S. 17 to meander west and south to Lake Alfred, where U.S. 92 starts (ends?).

US 441 does not end in Kissimmee. Google maps just is not great at showing concurrencies.

Right. For instance, the entire route originally mentioned here is also US 92 (if you zoom in farther and maybe scroll around a bit, it'll eventually show up).

Past Kissimmee, US 441 makes its way south to Miami, ending at US 41 (its parent route).

I, too, find the low reliability of Google Maps' signing concurrencies to be rather annoying. It seems like they used to be better at that, but these days, it is a lot more strenuous trying to make out concurrencies while browsing Google Maps.  :meh:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 18, 2019, 11:27:23 PM
Well those of you who hate seeing Perry on a mileage sign anywhere on US 19 here is one that does not have it.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/46795850951/in/dateposted-public/
Though the City of Inglis is now appearing in Sugar Woods along US 19 & 98 after Crystal River along one sign.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on January 20, 2019, 04:26:16 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 18, 2019, 10:03:40 AM
Quote from: VTGoose on January 18, 2019, 09:18:28 AM
I have a question about getting across Florida from Orlando to Tampa before I-4 was built. From Google (and that may add to my confusion), it looks like there wasn't much choice for routes. It appears that U.S. 441 south out of Orlando to Kissimmee (where 441 ends?) was the start, then pick up U.S. 17 to meander west and south to Lake Alfred, where U.S. 92 starts (ends?). That road goes pretty much west into the north part of Tampa, but there are then various ways to get south into Tampa proper.

US 92 essentially was completely replaced by I-4.  If you're looking for an alternate route FL 60 west of Bartow isn't too bad but you really don't have many choices with the Green Swamp in the way.  US 92/17 is probably worth it just to see the Old Tampa Highway which is a segment of the  Dixie Highway still in use.

That's what I figured but it looks like U.S. 92 meandered quite a bit. It looks like pre-interstate that going north-south in Florida was pretty well covered but east-west was hit or miss.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 20, 2019, 07:30:43 AM
Quote from: VTGoose on January 20, 2019, 04:26:16 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 18, 2019, 10:03:40 AM
Quote from: VTGoose on January 18, 2019, 09:18:28 AM
I have a question about getting across Florida from Orlando to Tampa before I-4 was built. From Google (and that may add to my confusion), it looks like there wasn't much choice for routes. It appears that U.S. 441 south out of Orlando to Kissimmee (where 441 ends?) was the start, then pick up U.S. 17 to meander west and south to Lake Alfred, where U.S. 92 starts (ends?). That road goes pretty much west into the north part of Tampa, but there are then various ways to get south into Tampa proper.

US 92 essentially was completely replaced by I-4.  If you're looking for an alternate route FL 60 west of Bartow isn't too bad but you really don't have many choices with the Green Swamp in the way.  US 92/17 is probably worth it just to see the Old Tampa Highway which is a segment of the  Dixie Highway still in use.

That's what I figured but it looks like U.S. 92 meandered quite a bit. It looks like pre-interstate that going north-south in Florida was pretty well covered but east-west was hit or miss.

Those are fairly well covered by the X0 State Roads.  For most part all of them that aren't linked with with a US Route are fairly practical for getting east/west around the state. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 07, 2019, 11:28:45 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 13, 2019, 07:39:22 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 12, 2019, 10:10:34 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2019, 09:48:16 AM
I'm probably hitting I-175 and I-375 as well...looks like Tuesday.  Anything specific you're looking for photo wise?
Ooh, maybe something like actual interchanges and signs, overhead sign gantries, stubs for former ramps and extensions.

I know both roads are short and unfinished, but they still need more photographic coverage than what's now available.

I'll let you know if I get to them, really with them both being so short I don't see why I wouldn't make the effort to get an album for each.
Well, guess what; I just did it;

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Interstate_175


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Interstate_375_(Florida)


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Road_sign_gantries_in_Pinellas_County,_Florida

And I'm going to continue to do it until I run out of suitable pictures.

And the rest areas of I-4 in Seminole County is my next big project for Florida.



Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 08, 2019, 09:15:21 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 07, 2019, 11:28:45 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 13, 2019, 07:39:22 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 12, 2019, 10:10:34 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2019, 09:48:16 AM
I'm probably hitting I-175 and I-375 as well...looks like Tuesday.  Anything specific you're looking for photo wise?
Ooh, maybe something like actual interchanges and signs, overhead sign gantries, stubs for former ramps and extensions.

I know both roads are short and unfinished, but they still need more photographic coverage than what's now available.

I'll let you know if I get to them, really with them both being so short I don't see why I wouldn't make the effort to get an album for each.
Well, guess what; I just did it;

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Interstate_175


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Interstate_375_(Florida)


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Road_sign_gantries_in_Pinellas_County,_Florida

And I'm going to continue to do it until I run out of suitable pictures.

And the rest areas of I-4 in Seminole County is my next big project for Florida.

I-175/I-375 were definitely worth the side trip off of I-275 just for the sake of how weird they were.  I captured the Polk County rest area on I-4 but didn't stop at the Seminole County one. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on February 09, 2019, 10:42:50 PM
https://goo.gl/maps/fqNUwBzojnJ2  Here is a shot of a 3 digit wide I-4 shield in Downtown Tampa.  You might want to get this if you are still in the area.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 09, 2019, 11:18:44 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 09, 2019, 10:42:50 PM
You might want to get this if you are still in the area.
Stealing signs is wrong.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: pianocello on February 10, 2019, 08:05:41 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 09, 2019, 10:42:50 PM
https://goo.gl/maps/fqNUwBzojnJ2  Here is a shot of a 3 digit wide I-4 shield in Downtown Tampa.  You might want to get this if you are still in the area.

On the other side of the intersection: A 2 digit wide I-275 shield. Way to go.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 10, 2019, 09:35:08 AM
Quote from: pianocello on February 10, 2019, 08:05:41 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 09, 2019, 10:42:50 PM
https://goo.gl/maps/fqNUwBzojnJ2  Here is a shot of a 3 digit wide I-4 shield in Downtown Tampa.  You might want to get this if you are still in the area.

On the other side of the intersection: A 2 digit wide I-275 shield. Way to go.

It's an ugly one for sure, made worse it's only one actual digit.  Hopefully it will be there the next time I visit.  I've been back in California for two weeks. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on February 10, 2019, 09:56:38 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 10, 2019, 09:35:08 AM
Quote from: pianocello on February 10, 2019, 08:05:41 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 09, 2019, 10:42:50 PM
https://goo.gl/maps/fqNUwBzojnJ2  Here is a shot of a 3 digit wide I-4 shield in Downtown Tampa.  You might want to get this if you are still in the area.

On the other side of the intersection: A 2 digit wide I-275 shield. Way to go.

It’s an ugly one for sure, made worse it’s only one actual digit.  Hopefully it will be there the next time I visit.  I’ve been back in California for two weeks. 

Probably just for balance. Come to think of it, wide shields didn't seem to be all that common on Florida, except when posted as reassurance.

You'd see a lot of 2-digit-width shields in Florida because 3-digit state road shields didn't appear until 20 years ago, and 3dus shields didn't really come about until 25 years ago, when the Kodachrome shields were no longer installed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 11, 2019, 08:22:45 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 08, 2019, 09:15:21 PM
I-175/I-375 were definitely worth the side trip off of I-275 just for the sake of how weird they were.  I captured the Polk County rest area on I-4 but didn't stop at the Seminole County one. 

Did that last year too, both in June and October:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Interstate_4_rest_area_10201,_Florida

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Interstate_4_rest_area_10202,_Florida

The thing about the Seminole County rest areas, is that only one has been captured;
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Interstate_4_rest_area_50221,_Florida
And only two of those are directly at the rest area.


As far as my recent St. Pete excursion, I have more pictures of I-275 I haven't posted yet, and some I refused to post because they turned out too damn blurry. One sign I'm really pissed at myself for not capturing was this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@27.779865,-82.6604955,3a,75y,154.65h,91.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sL3d6a1Hdr3LJX4FcXTG6Wg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

On the plus side, I also took the Sunshine Skyway down to the South Rest Area. It was my first time there since the 1970's!




Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 23, 2019, 09:56:09 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 08, 2019, 09:15:21 PM
I captured the Polk County rest area on I-4 but didn't stop at the Seminole County one. 
And I captured the Seminole County rest areas today.

The construction along I-4 disrupted the westbound rest area, but I saw where the new entrance ramp to it was supposed to go.

I'm in the process of naming all my pictures, but many of the ones for the westbound rest area have temporary names as of now. The ones that don't I'll post either this month or next. The others are going to be renamed before I post them.



Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on February 25, 2019, 09:34:53 PM
New metric overhead sign on CR 522 (Osceola Pkwy) in Kissimmee area:
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.3389482,-81.395584,3a,16.6y,229.53h,92.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUHUeM-RWrkSxW2NMULV1mw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.3389482,-81.395584,3a,16.6y,229.53h,92.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUHUeM-RWrkSxW2NMULV1mw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 01, 2019, 10:51:53 PM
If anyone is flying to Clearwater and renting a car there, the construction in front of the terminal along State Road 686 is for the proposed SR 690 toll road (the Gateway Project) which will make existing SR 686 the at grade service road for the freeway when completed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on March 12, 2019, 05:17:07 PM
GSV now shows signs up for Campbell Drive in Homestead, now State Road 998.

(https://i.imgur.com/k4wkmhE.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/upZY1nu.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Nr1QkPt.png)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 12, 2019, 07:33:20 PM
Quote from: emory on March 12, 2019, 05:17:07 PM
GSV now shows signs up for Campbell Drive in Homestead, now State Road 998.

(https://i.imgur.com/Nr1QkPt.png)

Didn't hear about that one. What segment was traded for that new number? Or was part of FL 997 lopped off?

A single mention in this FY2020-2024 document (https://fdotwww.blob.core.windows.net/sitefinity/docs/default-source/workprogram/wrkpgm/fy20-24ptwp.pdf?sfvrsn=79c71f38_6) (page 96), showing a projected ROW purchase from Krome Avenue (SR 997) to US 1... just 0.774 miles in length (http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/straight-linesonlinegis/blank.aspx?docId=106280).

Ah, a new route is born.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 13, 2019, 12:17:01 AM
What road did they relinquish then as a trade off?  I am sure the many state routes in Miami-Dade they found some other useless road to hand off to one of the cities.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 13, 2019, 12:35:29 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2019, 10:51:53 PM
If anyone is flying to Clearwater and renting a car there, the construction in front of the terminal along State Road 686 is for the proposed SR 690 toll road (the Gateway Project) which will make existing SR 686 the at grade service road for the freeway when completed.
690? I thought it was going to be "686A." I'm glad I was wrong.


Something I noticed about the trade-off of SR 48 with supposed SR 470 in Sumter County; It's only SR 470 in the vicinity of I-75, and you can't really tell when it gets the county designation back.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on March 13, 2019, 03:40:45 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 13, 2019, 12:17:01 AM
What road did they relinquish then as a trade off?  I am sure the many state routes in Miami-Dade they found some other useless road to hand off to one of the cities.

SR 997 was relinquished to Miami-Dade County from Campbell to US 1. 997 now terminates at the intersection with Campbell/SR 998. All 997 signs have been removed south of Campbell and at the US 1 intersection.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on March 13, 2019, 02:03:40 PM
That is silly.  Get rid of Krome just to take on Campbell.  Why bother?  You would think having SR 997 signed would be a good alternative route oh for say a hurricane. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on March 13, 2019, 06:07:33 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on March 13, 2019, 02:03:40 PM
That is silly.  Get rid of Krome just to take on Campbell.  Why bother?  You would think having SR 997 signed would be a good alternative route oh for say a hurricane.

Krome through historic downtown Homestead is not really equipped to handle heavy traffic as it's mostly a two lane road and shares it with bikers. Campbell/new 998 is in the process of being widened for heavier traffic, along with the rest of Krome/997 north of Campbell. Krome from US 41 to US 27 is expressway grade.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 13, 2019, 10:32:43 PM
Quote from: emory on March 13, 2019, 06:07:33 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on March 13, 2019, 02:03:40 PM
That is silly.  Get rid of Krome just to take on Campbell.  Why bother?  You would think having SR 997 signed would be a good alternative route oh for say a hurricane.

Krome through historic downtown Homestead is not really equipped to handle heavy traffic as it's mostly a two lane road and shares it with bikers. Campbell/new 998 is in the process of being widened for heavier traffic, along with the rest of Krome/997 north of Campbell. Krome from US 41 to US 27 is expressway grade.

I used to drive Krome through Homestead with regularity.  The route through downtown is beyond expanding to the needs of through traffic.  The Campbell alignment is a smart move and will probably get some of that heavy traffic out of downtown Homestead. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on March 14, 2019, 12:18:59 AM
Quote from: emory on March 13, 2019, 06:07:33 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on March 13, 2019, 02:03:40 PM
That is silly.  Get rid of Krome just to take on Campbell.  Why bother?  You would think having SR 997 signed would be a good alternative route oh for say a hurricane.

Krome through historic downtown Homestead is not really equipped to handle heavy traffic as it's mostly a two lane road and shares it with bikers. Campbell/new 998 is in the process of being widened for heavier traffic, along with the rest of Krome/997 north of Campbell. Krome from US 41 to US 27 is expressway grade.

I used to access the keys from Pembroke Pines by going down US 27 and then to SR 997.  It was not a problem at all back in the day.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Eth on March 14, 2019, 08:47:10 AM
Quote from: emory on March 13, 2019, 03:40:45 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 13, 2019, 12:17:01 AM
What road did they relinquish then as a trade off?  I am sure the many state routes in Miami-Dade they found some other useless road to hand off to one of the cities.

SR 997 was relinquished to Miami-Dade County from Campbell to US 1. 997 now terminates at the intersection with Campbell/SR 998. All 997 signs have been removed south of Campbell and at the US 1 intersection.

Why bother with the separate number 998 for Campbell instead of just re-routing 997?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on March 14, 2019, 05:59:07 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on March 13, 2019, 12:35:29 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2019, 10:51:53 PM
If anyone is flying to Clearwater and renting a car there, the construction in front of the terminal along State Road 686 is for the proposed SR 690 toll road (the Gateway Project) which will make existing SR 686 the at grade service road for the freeway when completed.
690? I thought it was going to be "686A." I'm glad I was wrong.
According to official plans the north-south portion will be designated as SR 686A. I will though, verify this next week at work just to be certain!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 14, 2019, 11:55:12 PM
Quote from: emory on March 13, 2019, 03:40:45 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 13, 2019, 12:17:01 AM
What road did they relinquish then as a trade off?  I am sure the many state routes in Miami-Dade they found some other useless road to hand off to one of the cities.

SR 997 was relinquished to Miami-Dade County from Campbell to US 1. 997 now terminates at the intersection with Campbell/SR 998. All 997 signs have been removed south of Campbell and at the US 1 intersection.
Why not make Campbell SR 997 instead.  Its sort of like Winter Haven where SR 655 defaults into SR 620.  Instead of having SR 655 end at SR 540 they have it end where the old SR 655 went and now a municipal street of Winter Haven and you on another route number just to connect to 540.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 15, 2019, 12:01:20 AM
Quote from: flaroads on March 14, 2019, 05:59:07 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on March 13, 2019, 12:35:29 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2019, 10:51:53 PM
If anyone is flying to Clearwater and renting a car there, the construction in front of the terminal along State Road 686 is for the proposed SR 690 toll road (the Gateway Project) which will make existing SR 686 the at grade service road for the freeway when completed.
690? I thought it was going to be "686A." I'm glad I was wrong.
According to official plans the north-south portion will be designated as SR 686A. I will though, verify this next week at work just to be certain!
http://www.fdottampabay.com/project/235/433880-1-52-01
It shows both on FDOT's website.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on March 17, 2019, 05:10:23 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 14, 2019, 11:55:12 PM
Why not make Campbell SR 997 instead.  Its sort of like Winter Haven where SR 655 defaults into SR 620.  Instead of having SR 655 end at SR 540 they have it end where the old SR 655 went and now a municipal street of Winter Haven and you on another route number just to connect to 540.

In both cases, a segment of former state road relinquished to the county retains the former state road number as its county road number, so to avoid duplication in case the county chooses to sign the road, FDOT just creates a new state road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Verlanka on March 17, 2019, 02:27:43 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2019, 10:51:53 PM
If anyone is flying to Clearwater and renting a car there, the construction in front of the terminal along State Road 686 is for the proposed SR 690 toll road (the Gateway Project) which will make existing SR 686 the at grade service road for the freeway when completed.

That's great. Hopefully the entire thing will be complete by 2021.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 18, 2019, 10:41:36 PM
Quote from: emory on March 17, 2019, 05:10:23 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 14, 2019, 11:55:12 PM
Why not make Campbell SR 997 instead.  Its sort of like Winter Haven where SR 655 defaults into SR 620.  Instead of having SR 655 end at SR 540 they have it end where the old SR 655 went and now a municipal street of Winter Haven and you on another route number just to connect to 540.

In both cases, a segment of former state road relinquished to the county retains the former state road number as its county road number, so to avoid duplication in case the county chooses to sign the road, FDOT just creates a new state road.
In Englewood they had a similar situation between SR 775 and 776, so they made it one number and that now is SR 776 all the way. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Beltway on March 20, 2019, 09:39:38 PM
https://www.enr.com/articles/46542-finalists-selected-for-new-planned-814m-tampa-bay-bridge
Finalists Selected For New Planned $814M Tampa Bay Bridge

(https://www.enr.com/ext/resources/News/2019/03-March/Howard-Frankland-Bridge.png?1553059375)

Florida selected three joint-venture finalists to build the $814-million Howard Frankland bridge, a long causeway structure across Tampa Bay, late last month.

The competitors had an opportunity to score a possible 20 points in the first phase. A team of Granite Construction Co. and Boh Bros. had the highest Phase 1 score, 18.8. Another team, Archer Western and Traylor Bros., scored 16.4; Kiewit and Massman Constructors scored 16.2.

The Florida Dept. of Transportation will pay each of the shortlisted competitors a $1.5-million stipend.

A fourth competitor, BRIJ Group, consisting of Lane Construction Corp., Johnson Bros. Corp., WGI, Hardesty & Hanover and Volkert, failed to make the short list. It was given a Phase 1 score of only 14.8.

Phase 2 involves the technical proposal and has a potential 80 points, split about evenly between design and construction.

The project calls for construction of a 5.8-mile causeway bridge between Pinellas and Hillsborough counties, for southbound and westbound traffic. The existing southbound/westbound bridge will be converted to the new northbound/eastbound I-275.

Technical proposals are due in early August and price proposals are due Oct. 8 with final award anticipated a month later, according to FDOT's project website.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on March 20, 2019, 09:53:14 PM
Quote from: Beltway on March 20, 2019, 09:39:38 PM
https://www.enr.com/articles/46542-finalists-selected-for-new-planned-814m-tampa-bay-bridge
Finalists Selected For New Planned $814M Tampa Bay Bridge

(https://www.enr.com/ext/resources/News/2019/03-March/Howard-Frankland-Bridge.png?1553059375)

Florida selected three joint-venture finalists to build the $814-million Howard Frankland bridge, a long causeway structure across Tampa Bay, late last month.

The competitors had an opportunity to score a possible 20 points in the first phase. A team of Granite Construction Co. and Boh Bros. had the highest Phase 1 score, 18.8. Another team, Archer Western and Traylor Bros., scored 16.4; Kiewit and Massman Constructors scored 16.2.

The Florida Dept. of Transportation will pay each of the shortlisted competitors a $1.5-million stipend.

A fourth competitor, BRIJ Group, consisting of Lane Construction Corp., Johnson Bros. Corp., WGI, Hardesty & Hanover and Volkert, failed to make the short list. It was given a Phase 1 score of only 14.8.

Phase 2 involves the technical proposal and has a potential 80 points, split about evenly between design and construction.

The project calls for construction of a 5.8-mile causeway bridge between Pinellas and Hillsborough counties, for southbound and westbound traffic. The existing southbound/westbound bridge will be converted to the new northbound/eastbound I-275.

Technical proposals are due in early August and price proposals are due Oct. 8 with final award anticipated a month later, according to FDOT's project website.

Thanks for the post, I had forgotten about this project entirely. It will be included as part of my proposed 2023 Tampa Bay Area Road Meet.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 21, 2019, 10:33:58 PM
Glad they are getting that done.  Now with these two express lanes each way proposed and will be reality soon, that will not fit into the current Gateway Express Project building express lanes from Gandy to 4th which will be only one lane each way.

That will no doubt cause a bottleneck Pinnelas Bound as it will all have to funnel in at the end.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 23, 2019, 10:55:43 PM
I just found out tonight that the southbound I-75 bridge over US 98/FL 50 is finally opened, but it's still only two lanes wide in both directions.  So they're still not done with all the construction.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 30, 2019, 12:58:51 AM
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2019/03/29/state-hits-sunpass-contractor-with-4-6-millioin-fine/?fbclid=IwAR06lecYzEJuPVC_3PeKo0EfzCVuaD3UlRjaoaJEU-9A5XGensUM84A2L1I

Sunpass contractor in big trouble!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on March 30, 2019, 08:57:25 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 30, 2019, 12:58:51 AM
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2019/03/29/state-hits-sunpass-contractor-with-4-6-millioin-fine/?fbclid=IwAR06lecYzEJuPVC_3PeKo0EfzCVuaD3UlRjaoaJEU-9A5XGensUM84A2L1I

Sunpass contractor in big trouble!

They had it coming to them. Too bad the contract won't expire until well into the next decade.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 13, 2019, 12:36:02 AM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/46850642264/in/dateposted-public/
Very unusual fonts for the State Road 60 sign here as most two digits are usually much bolder.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/47569038361/in/dateposted-public/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on April 14, 2019, 11:45:05 AM
Finally clinched every paved mile of A1A! ...except I didn't take the Mayport Ferry.

I'd clinched the other segment north of SR 105, which looped around Fernandina Beach and then back to Callahan a few years earlier. So I didn't think the ferry price was necessary; besides, that would take me away from backing out and clinching nearby SRs 101 and 116.

FDOT straight-line diagrams don't count the ferry in the mileage. Neither does Travel Mapping. The ferry is operated by JTA - Jacksonville Transit Authority - not Florida Department of Transportation.

What's your take on this?

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on April 14, 2019, 02:54:10 PM
Quote from: formulanone on April 14, 2019, 11:45:05 AM
FDOT straight-line diagrams don't count the ferry in the mileage. Neither does Travel Mapping. The ferry is operated by JTA - Jacksonville Transit Authority - not Florida Department of Transportation.

What's your take on this?
FDOT has put up signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3949168,-81.4375597,3a,21y,74.14h,91.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sR_1ioNv0YrK1B0RbYQc4aQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) that call the ferry A1A.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 16, 2019, 10:03:10 PM
Well if AASHTO considers now the SS Badger to be part of US 10, then the ferry here should be it.  I wish the DRBA would let the three remaining ships of theirs to be US Route 9 as I am sure that AASHTO won't mind if one other vessel is another US route.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 17, 2019, 12:53:50 AM
Quote from: NE2 on April 14, 2019, 02:54:10 PM
Quote from: formulanone on April 14, 2019, 11:45:05 AM
FDOT straight-line diagrams don't count the ferry in the mileage. Neither does Travel Mapping. The ferry is operated by JTA - Jacksonville Transit Authority - not Florida Department of Transportation.

What's your take on this?
FDOT has put up signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3949168,-81.4375597,3a,21y,74.14h,91.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sR_1ioNv0YrK1B0RbYQc4aQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) that call the ferry A1A.

This one has been present on the south side of the St. John's River for years:

https://flic.kr/p/TAm1pj
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mergingtraffic on April 24, 2019, 02:07:52 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@25.7608622,-80.3858828,3a,75y,71.87h,82.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s23WrmZ4hfIIeU2KX3nknKA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I'm guessing the US-41 button copy sign is in danger.  Anybody know what they're doing here? Adding a lane?
(https://live.staticflickr.com/1766/42906520682_beb3096c42_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28nv8KY)

and these have been replaced at the Exit 50 SB off-ramp for I-95.  Replaced with regulatory right turn only signs.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/1826/42169851024_4ac8a4f84c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27fpvwY)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on April 25, 2019, 08:05:36 AM
I'd never spent a whole lot of time in Jacksonville until two weeks ago, where I was able to finally drive a round and catch up with some SR clinching - I'd mostly just gone to the beaches and hit up the major roads for many years.

I'm curious about this "FL 5" I found two weeks ago in Jacksonville - what is FL 5 doing here near the north end of FL 13? Was US 1 moved at some point, to join up with nearby US 90 (perhaps taking its hidden number)? Street View doesn't show this duo.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47693165061_a7d3fc1efa_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fEtWnk)

This is just south of the Acosta Bridge, where it ducks under I-95 and zig-zags slightly south west. There's another standalone FL 5 sign but then you never see it again.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on April 25, 2019, 10:58:42 AM
Officially US 1 and US 90 have been on I-95 forever. I guess signage has finally been moved.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 25, 2019, 10:11:12 PM
Quote from: formulanone on April 25, 2019, 08:05:36 AM
I'd never spent a whole lot of time in Jacksonville until two weeks ago, where I was able to finally drive a round and catch up with some SR clinching - I'd mostly just gone to the beaches and hit up the major roads for many years.

I'm curious about this "FL 5" I found two weeks ago in Jacksonville - what is FL 5 doing here near the north end of FL 13? Was US 1 moved at some point, to join up with nearby US 90 (perhaps taking its hidden number)? Street View doesn't show this duo.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47693165061_a7d3fc1efa_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fEtWnk)

This is just south of the Acosta Bridge, where it ducks under I-95 and zig-zags slightly south west. There's another standalone FL 5 sign but then you never see it again.

I'll be danged.  FDOT listened to me from back in the day!!

When I saw the initial signage plans for the reconstruction of the Overland Bridge area and saw some major mistakes, I sent them an email on this subject back in 2012!

I also found this signage on the Main Street Bridge ramps to I-95 showing US-1 & US-90 for the first time ever: https://goo.gl/maps/LnYqWAWsssuYW8jp7

Also there's this signage @ the reconfigured connection for US-1 to I-95 showing people to use it and not the surface streets: https://goo.gl/maps/dnWX6crgzxW4W7Wk6

BTW formulanone, can you post exact links to where you found each FL-5 shield in StreetView (even though they aren't there yet as you mentioned above)?  Would love to keep track and see when/if Google updates the imagery there again. :)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on April 25, 2019, 11:33:40 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 25, 2019, 10:11:12 PM
BTW formulanone, can you post exact links to where you found each FL-5 shield in StreetView (even though they aren't there yet as you mentioned above)?  Would love to keep track and see when/if Google updates the imagery there again. :)

Sure, this is where I found the SR 5/13 duo: Street View link (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3162633,-81.6586422,3a,73.4y,89.05h,92.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sS6gLskjZkl73Wt8jjyNt6Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

This is where I found the other FL 5 shield (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3163085,-81.6549447,3a,22.3y,97.43h,89.37t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sI4U_xcxUYCvRdIYLwHCB0Q!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DI4U_xcxUYCvRdIYLwHCB0Q%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D166.1614%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656), which seems to be on the right track. I turned right just before this sign for the SR 13 (Hendricks Avenue).


(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/2069_25_04_19_11_38_17.jpeg)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 26, 2019, 12:04:05 AM
So US 1 & 90 now use I-95 instead of Kings Avenue and Prudential Drive no more?

Also then the old routing of both is now still SR 5?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 26, 2019, 04:22:27 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 26, 2019, 12:04:05 AM
So US 1 & 90 now use I-95 instead of Kings Avenue and Prudential Drive no more?

They always should have, since that's what FDOT's GIS & the AASHTO log said they did.

Quote from: roadman65 on April 26, 2019, 12:04:05 AM
Also then the old routing of both is now still SR 5?

FDOT's GIS data had always shown that to be solely FL-5's routing in town while US-1 was playing with I-95 there.

Here's a post I made back in 2010 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg51466#msg51466) on this subject.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 26, 2019, 11:04:21 PM
I agree about US 1 and 90 should have been on I-95 all along just as in Pasco SR 54 needs to be on I-75 and truncating SR 56 to I-75.  However for some reason they want to keep SR and CR 54 as one route despite in Zephyrhills CR 54 there is a spur of SR 54.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on April 27, 2019, 08:20:16 PM
It seems to me that this routing issue with putting US 1 on I-95 is more beneficial to northbound traffic rather than southbound traffic.  Folks headed north are more apt to getting onto US 1 as it veers out to Waycross and points northwest.  Folks headed south are more likely to hop onto I-95 at their first chance rather than following US 1 at that point.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on April 28, 2019, 05:09:01 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 26, 2019, 04:22:27 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 26, 2019, 12:04:05 AM
So US 1 & 90 now use I-95 instead of Kings Avenue and Prudential Drive no more?

They always should have, since that's what FDOT's GIS & the AASHTO log said they did.

Quote from: roadman65 on April 26, 2019, 12:04:05 AM
Also then the old routing of both is now still SR 5?

FDOT's GIS data had always shown that to be solely FL-5's routing in town while US-1 was playing with I-95 there.

Here's a post I made back in 2010 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg51466#msg51466) on this subject.

I'm surprised they don't just keep US 1/90 on I-95 up to Beaver Street and the MLK Parkway where they can exit and bypass downtown Jacksonville completely, then US 1 Alt. can be extended to the I-95/US 1 interchange.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Stephane Dumas on May 02, 2019, 06:01:32 PM
Google streetview posted some shots from last January showing one of the piers who'll be use for one of the future flyover ramps linking US-19 to the Gateway expressway.
https://www.google.com/maps/@27.8802714,-82.7130086,3a,30y,291.78h,89.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTJ6_TBQICiCHPIA_qkyo6w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Some plans showing the future interchanges are posted in this documents, they might had changed since then.
http://www.fdottampabay.com/project-files/433880-1-52-01-folder-590010090/Public%20Hearing%20Newsletter%20-%20February%2026%2C%202015.pdf
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on May 04, 2019, 12:54:38 PM
New sign error SR 50 EB at CR 439. Assembly says SOUTH 439 --->, TO NORTH 439 [straight], which is incorrect. CR 439 does not go north of SR 50.
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.5515019,-81.5431326,3a,15.2y,105.21h,89.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sk0VUyUia-aMPOMzEIKGDUg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.5515019,-81.5431326,3a,15.2y,105.21h,89.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sk0VUyUia-aMPOMzEIKGDUg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on May 04, 2019, 03:16:15 PM
Just found the strangest Florida signal installation ever. Its in Pine Hills (aka "Crime Hills"), that's why none of us had seen it

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.5594887,-81.4593954,3a,59.9y,349.59h,94.61t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sBskEU8lOu3VtN6VUTHdwcg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DBskEU8lOu3VtN6VUTHdwcg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D5.4473386%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.5594887,-81.4593954,3a,59.9y,349.59h,94.61t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sBskEU8lOu3VtN6VUTHdwcg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DBskEU8lOu3VtN6VUTHdwcg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D5.4473386%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 04, 2019, 09:26:06 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on May 04, 2019, 12:54:38 PM
New sign error SR 50 EB at CR 439. Assembly says SOUTH 439 --->, TO NORTH 439 [straight], which is incorrect. CR 439 does not go north of SR 50.
It does (on former SR 439) but it's not signed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 04, 2019, 10:50:53 PM
With all the recent vote in the FL House about extending our toll road network, why not also utilize existing rural roads like US 19.  Many parts of that from Lebanon Station to Capps is so undeveloped that just a few fixes can make that a freeway or freeway like road.

From SR 121 to Chiefland, that particular highway is very rural and far from development due to wetlands along its route.  Even a good part of it is so straight that at night on a clear day, you can see the flasher at US 19 and SR 24 11 miles away.  Just eliminate the at grades where CR 326 intersects at Gulf Hammock, the SR 24 crossing at Otter Creek, and the CR 347 intersection in the rural part of Levy for interchanges.  That would help with the part from Citrus up into Ghilcrist and even build bypasses of Chiefland, Fanning Springs, Old Towne, and Cross City while the rural parts of US 19, 98, and 27 ALT from Cross City to Perry should be modified as well.  Then build the freeway from Perry to follow US 221 to end at I-10 or even have it go further to connect with I-75 near Valdosta also following US 221.

Why disturb other land while using what we have already.  I have been on US 19 & 98 north of Inglis and believe me its not that heavily traveled and not too much chance of building driveways for future homes and industry along its path due to its wetlands area that is pretty much of the Nature Coast of Florida.  Use that corridor instead of buying land through other parts of the county.

I am actually for extending the turnpike up to Lebanon and making US 19 north from there that as my suggestion and making the Suncoast Parkway veer inland to follow SR 200 up to Ocala and Jacksonville to help build a better corridor from Tampa to Jacksonville being that I-4 from Central Florida's explosion made that road a traveling nightmare thanks to Orange, Lake, NE Polk, Osceola, Seminole, and part of Volusia.  Most today prefer US 301's speed traps over I-4's traffic jams anyway.  So this would make most sense.

Heck neighboring GA needs to think about resurrecting I-175 again as well as that would be another major evacuation route as well, but that is for another thread as we are talking about Florida here.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on May 05, 2019, 12:35:01 AM
Dang, I thought the designation was completely removed. No idea it was just downgraded. Thanks. I did look and they didn't put any CR 439 signs at the Blueford Av intersection
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on May 10, 2019, 12:41:43 AM
Lovebugs were once a lot worse:
http://www.tampabay.com/florida/2019/05/09/think-lovebugs-are-bad-now-they-once-caused-a-public-safety-crisis-in-florida/?fbclid=IwAR05jMp1-rL_KrAuPNwdATz-BdNYWMv_IPFrW7jJ8ExthRI7C2mTDoZzsCk (http://www.tampabay.com/florida/2019/05/09/think-lovebugs-are-bad-now-they-once-caused-a-public-safety-crisis-in-florida/?fbclid=IwAR05jMp1-rL_KrAuPNwdATz-BdNYWMv_IPFrW7jJ8ExthRI7C2mTDoZzsCk)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 15, 2019, 10:31:15 PM
New lime green striping as part of an ongoing repaving project in Lake County, FL along US Highway 27.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47070311544_98cc37d906_z_d.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on May 16, 2019, 07:55:44 AM
Is that a bike lane?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Verlanka on May 16, 2019, 09:45:26 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 16, 2019, 07:55:44 AM
Is that a bike lane?

Probably looks like it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 18, 2019, 11:58:48 AM
I now seen one in Lakeland along Lake Hollingsworth as well.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on May 20, 2019, 04:23:59 PM
An FDOT press release says the I-295 express lanes were supposed to open Saturday. Anyone got any pictures? Interesting to note it says they're initially only going to impose tolls during rush hour and that at other times the lanes will be free.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on May 21, 2019, 09:11:02 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 20, 2019, 04:23:59 PM
An FDOT press release says the I-295 express lanes were supposed to open Saturday. Anyone got any pictures? Interesting to note it says they're initially only going to impose tolls during rush hour and that at other times the lanes will be free.

I just returned from my family trip; yes that is true. Unfortunately I don't have any pictures yet due to not having a SunPass.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: edwaleni on May 22, 2019, 11:45:27 AM
Florida Gov. DeSantis signs the Florida Toll Road bill.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-toll-roads-desantis-20190517-a6r33yna2jgsdjtgxp4hjjkski-story.html (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-toll-roads-desantis-20190517-a6r33yna2jgsdjtgxp4hjjkski-story.html)


On Friday, DeSantis signed the toll-road bill (SB 7068), a top priority of Senate President Bill Galvano, R-Bradenton. The measure will take initial steps to expand the Suncoast Parkway from the Tampa Bay area to the Georgia border; extend Florida's Turnpike west to connect with the Suncoast Parkway; and add a new multi-use corridor, including a toll road, from Polk County to Collier County.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on May 23, 2019, 10:34:53 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on May 22, 2019, 11:45:27 AM
Florida Gov. DeSantis signs the Florida Toll Road bill.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-toll-roads-desantis-20190517-a6r33yna2jgsdjtgxp4hjjkski-story.html (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-toll-roads-desantis-20190517-a6r33yna2jgsdjtgxp4hjjkski-story.html)


On Friday, DeSantis signed the toll-road bill (SB 7068), a top priority of Senate President Bill Galvano, R-Bradenton. The measure will take initial steps to expand the Suncoast Parkway from the Tampa Bay area to the Georgia border; extend Florida's Turnpike west to connect with the Suncoast Parkway; and add a new multi-use corridor, including a toll road, from Polk County to Collier County.

Funny that you posted this here as I read this after returning from my family trip over the weekend. Not sure if there will be enough of a long-term incentive for more toll roads in the Sunshine State. Not happy about the environmental impacts but that's more of a political view that cannot be further expressed due to forum rules.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 23, 2019, 10:58:59 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on May 22, 2019, 11:45:27 AM
Florida Gov. DeSantis signs the Florida Toll Road bill.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-toll-roads-desantis-20190517-a6r33yna2jgsdjtgxp4hjjkski-story.html (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-toll-roads-desantis-20190517-a6r33yna2jgsdjtgxp4hjjkski-story.html)


On Friday, DeSantis signed the toll-road bill (SB 7068), a top priority of Senate President Bill Galvano, R-Bradenton. The measure will take initial steps to expand the Suncoast Parkway from the Tampa Bay area to the Georgia border; extend Florida's Turnpike west to connect with the Suncoast Parkway; and add a new multi-use corridor, including a toll road, from Polk County to Collier County.
SR 44, US 441, I-75, US 19 and US 41 along with US 27 all provide for the first proposal.  Polk County and Collier are already linked via US 17 to I-75 and or US 41 or US 27 to what CR 835 or whatever it is amongst others.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 25, 2019, 10:02:42 PM
In Lake there was a study done by polling people of Central Florida to see where a toll road should be built.  One in Lake County took 429 along US 441 and then SR 44 to Wildwood and I-75.  That may be why SR 453 was built and with a trumpet at SR 46.  They had that in mind.

Then one other result of this took the current SR 570 that ends at Polk City and go northeast to connect to the proposed SR 408 extension.  Of course a connector now between US 27 and SR 429 is planned instead of a 408 extension westward.  The rest the Green Swamp stands in the way of ever building that one.

Then from Polk to Collier it is going to use the defunct Heartlands Expressway that was proposed under Jeb Bush.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 01, 2019, 10:44:47 PM
Getting off the subject of toll roads, I-75 is now six lanes throughout Hernando County (the Exit 301 ramps and US 98-FL 50 are still being rebuilt).

With the exception of Alligator Alley, all that's left to six-lane is the still ongoing reconstruction of the road between the Turnpike and FL 44 in Wildwood.

BTW, I found out about this and a lot of other stuff during my day trip to Ocala National Forest and DeLand.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on June 03, 2019, 09:22:32 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on June 01, 2019, 10:44:47 PM
Getting off the subject of toll roads, I-75 is now six lanes throughout Hernando County (the Exit 301 ramps and US 98-FL 50 are still being rebuilt).

That is another great make-work project (see also Stark bypass and I-10 at Baldwin) that has been taking forever to complete. I'm still trying to figure out why the drop down to two lanes starts so far back from the project and still extends so far beyond it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 08, 2019, 10:26:39 PM
Why is there a tiny VMS at Volusia CR 415 north of SR 44?


https://www.google.com/maps/@29.0122824,-81.068739,3a,75y,208.46h,88.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sczpziONTlIjQX3hkNheg4A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.0122824,-81.068739,3a,75y,208.46h,88.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sczpziONTlIjQX3hkNheg4A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 10, 2019, 12:43:27 PM
Quote from: VTGoose on June 03, 2019, 09:22:32 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on June 01, 2019, 10:44:47 PM
Getting off the subject of toll roads, I-75 is now six lanes throughout Hernando County (the Exit 301 ramps and US 98-FL 50 are still being rebuilt).

That is another great make-work project (see also Stark bypass and I-10 at Baldwin) that has been taking forever to complete. I'm still trying to figure out why the drop down to two lanes starts so far back from the project and still extends so far beyond it.
One of our MODs now works for FDOT D-7 who has jurisdiction over that part of I-75, maybe he will chime in later and come up with the answer to it.  He just started a few months ago so learning how to access the data base as well as who to go to for answers.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 10, 2019, 12:46:17 PM
In Florida only the Alligator Alley is left on I-75 which won't get widened anytime soon, but all of I-95 and I-4 are at least six lanes throughout the state.  I-10 is the only four lane road left that has that for several miles as pretty much I-10 is only six lanes in Pensacola, Tallahassee, and Jacksonville as that road don't see the snowbirds or have the sprawl along it like the other three interstates do.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: TimQuiQui on June 11, 2019, 12:15:27 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on June 08, 2019, 10:26:39 PM
Why is there a tiny VMS at Volusia CR 415 north of SR 44?


https://www.google.com/maps/@29.0122824,-81.068739,3a,75y,208.46h,88.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sczpziONTlIjQX3hkNheg4A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.0122824,-81.068739,3a,75y,208.46h,88.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sczpziONTlIjQX3hkNheg4A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)

Might have to do with event traffic management for the New Smyrna Speedway at that corner? That sign is right where the back pit access is.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: edwaleni on June 11, 2019, 12:32:30 AM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on May 21, 2019, 09:11:02 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 20, 2019, 04:23:59 PM
An FDOT press release says the I-295 express lanes were supposed to open Saturday. Anyone got any pictures? Interesting to note it says they're initially only going to impose tolls during rush hour and that at other times the lanes will be free.


I just returned from my family trip; yes that is true. Unfortunately I don't have any pictures yet due to not having a SunPass.

The FDOT toll section has opened between I-95 and the Buckman Bridge.

At the moment, it is barely used. Since it provides no material benefit before/after the Buckman, where they simply push you back over to cross the bridge with everyone else.

Most of the commuters agree its a waste and only has purpose if/when an accident might occur on the public side of the barriers.

Last time I drove through there, I saw just one car waste his .50.

The most effective use of the new SunPass lanes is when they finish the east beltway lanes between Philips Highway (US-1) and Beach Boulevard (US-90) along with the new ramps for 9B (I-795) and J Turner Butler Boulevard (FL-202). This is where you have a terrible decision to slam 5 lanes to traffic into just 2. But when its done you will have 3 free lanes and 2 tolled throughout.

I still laugh when I found out FDOT was supposed to use the "tolled road" expansion between the Dames Point bridge up to I-95 at the airport. So they flipped a switch and they moved it south. Gotta love the studies and rationale behind that deal. (none)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on June 13, 2019, 10:09:11 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on June 11, 2019, 12:32:30 AM
The most effective use of the new SunPass lanes is when they finish the east beltway lanes between Philips Highway (US-1) and Beach Boulevard (US-90) along with the new ramps for 9B (I-795) and J Turner Butler Boulevard (FL-202). This is where you have a terrible decision to slam 5 lanes to traffic into just 2. But when its done you will have 3 free lanes and 2 tolled throughout.
As I live off of this stretch of the East Beltway (I-295), I concur.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on June 13, 2019, 10:40:58 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on June 11, 2019, 12:32:30 AM
I still laugh when I found out FDOT was supposed to use the "tolled road" expansion between the Dames Point bridge up to I-95 at the airport. So they flipped a switch and they moved it south. Gotta love the studies and rationale behind that deal. (none)
Source? I can't say that I agree with you. I do wonder if they were supposed to widen that stretch somehow, as I've seen evidence of such construction on that section of the East Beltway (I-295). Maybe the NIMBYs on the Northside and along the St. Johns River got in the way somehow? I did find out that FDOT also removed the I-295 (East Beltway) Express Lanes between JTB and the Dames Point Bridge from their list of proposed Express Lanes projects, despite it still being listed and shown on their Florida Express Lanes website. Maybe the NIMBYs in Arlington, on the Southside, and along the St. Johns River got in the way somehow?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on June 13, 2019, 10:46:01 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on June 11, 2019, 12:32:30 AM
Since it provides no material benefit before/after the Buckman, where they simply push you back over to cross the bridge with everyone else.

Most of the commuters agree its a waste and only has purpose if/when an accident might occur on the public side of the barriers.
But that's what the point of having Express Lanes is! Although, if it weren't for the NIMBYs in Orange Park, on the Southside, in Southwest Jacksonville, and along the St. Johns River, they'd have Express Lanes running along the West Beltway (I-295) between the Buckman Bridge and 103rd Street (SR 134) as well, along with a bridge connecting the JTB aka Butler Boulevard (SR 202) with SR 134 (103rd Street/Timuquana Road).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 13, 2019, 08:23:57 PM
Quote from: TimQuiQui on June 11, 2019, 12:15:27 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on June 08, 2019, 10:26:39 PM
Why is there a tiny VMS at Volusia CR 415 north of SR 44?


https://www.google.com/maps/@29.0122824,-81.068739,3a,75y,208.46h,88.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sczpziONTlIjQX3hkNheg4A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.0122824,-81.068739,3a,75y,208.46h,88.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sczpziONTlIjQX3hkNheg4A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)

Might have to do with event traffic management for the New Smyrna Speedway at that corner? That sign is right where the back pit access is.
That makes sense. I just wish I could read it on GSV.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on June 15, 2019, 11:27:21 PM
Odd Square I-75 sign at Alachua on GSV: https://www.google.com/maps/@29.8018449,-82.5150653,3a,52.3y,133.88h,86.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZCKK_1Gx_hNXw7Rs-s4-AA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.8018449,-82.5150653,3a,52.3y,133.88h,86.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZCKK_1Gx_hNXw7Rs-s4-AA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on June 16, 2019, 12:31:07 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on June 15, 2019, 11:27:21 PM
Odd Square I-75 sign at Alachua on GSV: https://www.google.com/maps/@29.8018449,-82.5150653,3a,52.3y,133.88h,86.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZCKK_1Gx_hNXw7Rs-s4-AA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.8018449,-82.5150653,3a,52.3y,133.88h,86.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZCKK_1Gx_hNXw7Rs-s4-AA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

I guess whomever was responsible for this installation thought it was hip to be square.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 16, 2019, 08:41:00 PM
Does FL 20 really run along FL 100 between Palatka and Bunnell anymore? I looked on GSV and saw no reassurance shields, and the same goes for my NYC trip when I passed through Bunnell from FL 11 to US 1.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 16, 2019, 09:33:38 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on June 16, 2019, 08:41:00 PM
Does FL 20 really run along FL 100 between Palatka and Bunnell anymore? I looked on GSV and saw no reassurance shields, and the same goes for my NYC trip when I passed through Bunnell from FL 11 to US 1.

FDOT GIS says yes, but I think it's always been hidden along there.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on June 17, 2019, 05:43:39 PM
Every time me and my dad are on the older portion(s) of Baymeadows Road (SR 152) in suburban Duval County, we sometimes hit a sudden red light at one of the two signalized intersections for the I-95 ramps. This usually tends to happen at night (or, in the evening). Also, it can be hard to see the signalized intersection for Hampton Landing Drive (which is the main access road for the East Hampton development) while heading east towards I-295/SR 9A from Southside Boulevard (SR 115) on the newer portion(s) of Baymeadows Road (SR 152) at night, especially with the thick trees in the median.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 20, 2019, 08:57:23 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on June 15, 2019, 11:27:21 PM
Odd Square I-75 sign at Alachua on GSV: https://www.google.com/maps/@29.8018449,-82.5150653,3a,52.3y,133.88h,86.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZCKK_1Gx_hNXw7Rs-s4-AA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.8018449,-82.5150653,3a,52.3y,133.88h,86.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZCKK_1Gx_hNXw7Rs-s4-AA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
You have a lot of those in Sumter County, too.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on June 20, 2019, 09:08:20 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on June 20, 2019, 08:57:23 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on June 15, 2019, 11:27:21 PM
Odd Square I-75 sign at Alachua on GSV: https://www.google.com/maps/@29.8018449,-82.5150653,3a,52.3y,133.88h,86.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZCKK_1Gx_hNXw7Rs-s4-AA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.8018449,-82.5150653,3a,52.3y,133.88h,86.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZCKK_1Gx_hNXw7Rs-s4-AA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
You have a lot of those in Sumter County, too.


Lake and Sumter Counties turn every shield into a square (or unisign).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 20, 2019, 12:52:46 PM
Quote from: formulanone on June 20, 2019, 09:08:20 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on June 20, 2019, 08:57:23 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on June 15, 2019, 11:27:21 PM
Odd Square I-75 sign at Alachua on GSV: https://www.google.com/maps/@29.8018449,-82.5150653,3a,52.3y,133.88h,86.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZCKK_1Gx_hNXw7Rs-s4-AA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.8018449,-82.5150653,3a,52.3y,133.88h,86.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZCKK_1Gx_hNXw7Rs-s4-AA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
You have a lot of those in Sumter County, too.


Lake and Sumter Counties turn every shield into a square (or unisign).

Sumter is hit or miss, the county still had a substantial amount of cut-outs when I last went through earlier this year.  It looks like the older shields are getting replaced with the typical Lake County style uni-sign. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 21, 2019, 09:41:17 AM
Want a laugh, go to State Road 710 in Riveria Beach.  It signed with all US 710 signs from Congress Avenue to Barack Obama Highway (formerly Old Dixie Highway).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on June 21, 2019, 05:59:46 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 21, 2019, 09:41:17 AM
Want a laugh, go to State Road 710 in Riveria Beach.  It signed with all US 710 signs from Congress Avenue to Barack Obama Highway (formerly Old Dixie Highway).

That's been posted, I think on one of AA Roads Social Media Accounts
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 23, 2019, 10:37:58 PM
FDOT's website has a list of truck weigh stations on their site;

https://www.fdot.gov/maintenance/WeighStationListing.shtm


But there's one that's missing; The eastbound weigh station on Florida SR 40 west of SR 19 in Ocala National Forest.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 25, 2019, 11:19:30 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on June 21, 2019, 05:59:46 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 21, 2019, 09:41:17 AM
Want a laugh, go to State Road 710 in Riveria Beach.  It signed with all US 710 signs from Congress Avenue to Barack Obama Highway (formerly Old Dixie Highway).

That's been posted, I think on one of AA Roads Social Media Accounts
Probably cause I posted it on one of them  :bigass:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 29, 2019, 02:47:29 PM
Are any of the county road signs posted in Duval County?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 29, 2019, 06:47:37 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 29, 2019, 02:47:29 PM
Are any of the county road signs posted in Duval County?
Yes.
http://www.google.com/maps/@30.2033163,-82.014158,3a,17.1y,236.37h,89.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2dQZgIMGVyNx-d-gYXPmsA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Buffaboy on July 01, 2019, 12:51:41 PM
Why does the singing concrete in Florida sound different than that of NY?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on July 01, 2019, 01:21:05 PM
Quote from: Buffaboy on July 01, 2019, 12:51:41 PM
Why does the singing concrete in Florida sound different than that of NY?
It must be the geographical terrain difference.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rte66man on July 07, 2019, 08:50:17 PM
Quote from: Buffaboy on July 01, 2019, 12:51:41 PM
Why does the singing concrete in Florida sound different than that of NY?

It depends on the groove pattern used.  It seems to vary state by state.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on July 09, 2019, 06:24:26 PM
I just saw a news report on Tampa Bay's ABC Affiliate claiming that  Florida SR 56 will be opened this week, and Google Maps doesn't even have it yet.

http://www.fdottampabay.com/project/55/434765-1-52-01

Unfortunately, their news report isn't online yet.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: BigRTM on July 12, 2019, 08:15:43 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on July 09, 2019, 06:24:26 PM
I just saw a news report on Tampa Bay's ABC Affiliate claiming that  Florida SR 56 will be opened this week, and Google Maps doesn't even have it yet.

http://www.fdottampabay.com/project/55/434765-1-52-01

Unfortunately, their news report isn't online yet.

Yes, the SR 56 extension was opened 2 days ago Wednesday. I rode on it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on July 14, 2019, 08:56:52 AM
Quote from: BigRTM on July 12, 2019, 08:15:43 AM
Yes, the SR 56 extension was opened 2 days ago Wednesday. I rode on it.
I want to ride it. I'm going to need to add Wikipics of it. Admittedly, I'm disappointed with the intersection with US 301, because I was hoping it was going to be like Suffolk CR 50 at NY 27A, except in this case, US 301 would have a wide divider to separate left-turn access to and from the northbound lanes.


Another question on South Florida; What's up with the median between Exits 101 and 105? I looked at GSV coverage, and it looks like somebody in FDOT is either trying to build something around the Santa Barbara Boulevard bridge, or tear it down.


https://www.google.com/maps/place/26°09'00.0%22N+81°48'00.0%22W/@26.1661325,-81.7202004,3218m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d26.15!4d-81.8?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/place/26%C3%82%C2%B009'00.0%22N+81%C3%82%C2%B048'00.0%22W/@26.1661325,-81.7202004,3218m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d26.15!4d-81.8?hl=en)


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 07, 2019, 01:25:14 PM
This has probably been brought up already, but from the air, the stub ramps to and from the I-4/Lee Roy Selmon Connector (https://www.google.com/maps/place/27%C3%82%C2%B057'43.2%22N+82%C3%82%C2%B026'20.4%22W/@27.9641364,-82.4320924,796m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d27.962!4d-82.439?hl=en) are kind of hard to ignore. I haven't looked at them from the roads though, so originally it wasn't that much of an issue to me.





Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 07, 2019, 04:55:32 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on July 14, 2019, 08:56:52 AM
Quote from: BigRTM on July 12, 2019, 08:15:43 AM
Yes, the SR 56 extension was opened 2 days ago Wednesday. I rode on it.
I want to ride it. I'm going to need to add Wikipics of it. Admittedly, I'm disappointed with the intersection with US 301, because I was hoping it was going to be like Suffolk CR 50 at NY 27A, except in this case, US 301 would have a wide divider to separate left-turn access to and from the northbound lanes.


Another question on South Florida; What's up with the median between Exits 101 and 105? I looked at GSV coverage, and it looks like somebody in FDOT is either trying to build something around the Santa Barbara Boulevard bridge, or tear it down.


https://www.google.com/maps/place/26°09'00.0%22N+81°48'00.0%22W/@26.1661325,-81.7202004,3218m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d26.15!4d-81.8?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/place/26%C3%82%C2%B009'00.0%22N+81%C3%82%C2%B048'00.0%22W/@26.1661325,-81.7202004,3218m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d26.15!4d-81.8?hl=en)



There is a stub fenced off east of US 301 and signs on the other side of the fence showing US 301 going N and S from it.  Its obviously a stub to tempt developers to build there even though ideally the road should continue east to SR 39 (IMO it should connect to US 192 near Disney making US 192 a cross state highway).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 07, 2019, 08:07:29 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on August 07, 2019, 01:25:14 PM
This has probably been brought up already, but from the air, the stub ramps to and from the I-4/Lee Roy Selmon Connector (https://www.google.com/maps/place/27%C3%82%C2%B057'43.2%22N+82%C3%82%C2%B026'20.4%22W/@27.9641364,-82.4320924,796m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d27.962!4d-82.439?hl=en) are kind of hard to ignore. I haven't looked at them from the roads though, so originally it wasn't that much of an issue to me.

Looks like to me that if they ever want to ban trucks on FL-585 south of I-4 between it & the Selmon Expressway, those 'stub' ramps will be built to complete that moment.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Verlanka on August 08, 2019, 05:27:26 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 07, 2019, 04:55:32 PM(IMO it should connect to US 192 near Disney making US 192 a cross state highway).
Good luck trying to get that through the swamplands, though.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: RoadPelican on August 08, 2019, 12:43:30 PM
Quote from: Verlanka on August 08, 2019, 05:27:26 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 07, 2019, 04:55:32 PM(IMO it should connect to US 192 near Disney making US 192 a cross state highway).
Good luck trying to get that through the swamplands, though.

It would be a good idea though, right now there is no good alternate east-west route for I-4, unless you want to go thru 100 stoplights in Brandon via SR 60 and then deal with Bartow and Lake Wales.  Let's not forget the hot mess of development happening along US 27 thru Winter Haven and Haines City.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 08, 2019, 10:24:39 PM
Quote from: RoadPelican on August 08, 2019, 12:43:30 PM
Let's not forget the hot mess of development happening along US 27 thru Winter Haven and Haines City.
Aw, man! I've said it before, and I'll say it again; the two and only solutions for US 27 right now is frontage roads and more interchanges!

Well, either way, I'm starting my photography crusade of FL 56 tomorrow, and then I'm going to snap pics related to the truck weigh stations on I-4 in Seffner.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 08, 2019, 10:39:32 PM
They had the Central Polk Parkway planned, which would have been a relief route to US 27 as well as connect the current Polk Parkway to SR 60 better than US 98, but NIMBYs put a stop to it. Every now and then someone tries to resurrect it, and with the new proposed toll road to Naples, I think that may become part of that.

I believe the Heartlands Parkway route will carry that toll road that Governor DeSantis pushed recently and that all will tie in together.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Kniwt on August 09, 2019, 08:45:24 PM
The Miami Herald reports today on the upcoming permanent closure of part of NE 12th Street in downtown Miami, to make way for the expansion of I-95, I-395, and FL 836.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/traffic/article233702852.html

QuoteHighway managers are closing 12th Street as part of a four-year redesign project in the heart of downtown that is remaking parts of Interstate 95, I-395 and State Road 836. The goal is to improve traffic flow, said the project's spokesman.

The $802 million project will add a double-decker highway, park space underneath for pedestrians, as well as a "signature bridge"  – a six-arch structure that looks like a giant spider – over Biscayne Boulevard.

Construction work on I-95, 836, and 395 will continue day and night until 2023.

(https://www.miamiherald.com/latest-news/z409vs/picture232076012/alternates/FREE_1140/render-at-night-home.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 10, 2019, 08:06:37 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 07, 2019, 04:55:32 PM
There is a stub fenced off east of US 301 and signs on the other side of the fence showing US 301 going N and S from it.  Its obviously a stub to tempt developers to build there even though ideally the road should continue east to SR 39 (IMO it should connect to US 192 near Disney making US 192 a cross state highway).
I saw that yesterday. It looks like more of a new entrance to Festival Park.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on August 15, 2019, 07:02:28 PM
Disney has installed some dumb custom keep right signs on median tips on Buena Vista Dr. These will only confuse drivers. Aint no way they're gonna be able to decipher the microscopic txt saying the left side is for busses only. A standard keep right sign would have been way better
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.3673309,-81.5193106,3a,15y,47.99h,90.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sypR6Q-0UjI0A3xRppzvPig!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.3673309,-81.5193106,3a,15y,47.99h,90.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sypR6Q-0UjI0A3xRppzvPig!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on August 17, 2019, 01:02:14 PM
Anybody ever been on Ozello Trail near Crystal River? (See map link below.) A recent issue of Car and Driver features a review of a rental Ford Mustang Shelby GT-S in which they refer to the road as the "Tail of the Gator" (an obvious play on the Tail of the Dragon).

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/28.8559542,-82.5796685/28.8677362,-82.6653146/@28.8495649,-82.6451172,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!4m1!3e0
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 17, 2019, 01:28:16 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 17, 2019, 01:02:14 PM
Anybody ever been on Ozello Trail near Crystal River? (See map link below.) A recent issue of Car and Driver features a review of a rental Ford Mustang Shelby GT-S in which they refer to the road as the "Tail of the Gator" (an obvious play on the Tail of the Dragon).

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/28.8559542,-82.5796685/28.8677362,-82.6653146/@28.8495649,-82.6451172,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!4m1!3e0
I've been there.

Now on another topic; Where can I find all the other out of state electronic toll systems that are compatible with the Western Florida Beltway? I can't see anything about this on Central Florida Expressway Authority's official site.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on August 17, 2019, 03:43:40 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 17, 2019, 01:02:14 PM
Anybody ever been on Ozello Trail near Crystal River? (See map link below.) A recent issue of Car and Driver features a review of a rental Ford Mustang Shelby GT-S in which they refer to the road as the "Tail of the Gator" (an obvious play on the Tail of the Dragon).

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/28.8559542,-82.5796685/28.8677362,-82.6653146/@28.8495649,-82.6451172,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!4m1!3e0

Been there myself also, I didn't think it was anything special enough to warrant being back drop for a magazine test drive. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jdb1234 on August 17, 2019, 07:48:09 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on August 17, 2019, 01:28:16 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 17, 2019, 01:02:14 PM
Anybody ever been on Ozello Trail near Crystal River? (See map link below.) A recent issue of Car and Driver features a review of a rental Ford Mustang Shelby GT-S in which they refer to the road as the "Tail of the Gator" (an obvious play on the Tail of the Dragon).

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/28.8559542,-82.5796685/28.8677362,-82.6653146/@28.8495649,-82.6451172,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!4m1!3e0
I've been there.

Now on another topic; Where can I find all the other out of state electronic toll systems that are compatible with the Western Florida Beltway? I can't see anything about this on Central Florida Expressway Authority's official site.



I took a photo of a sign on FL 429 2 weeks ago that showed them.  Will dig through my photos.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on August 20, 2019, 05:10:37 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 17, 2019, 01:02:14 PM
Anybody ever been on Ozello Trail near Crystal River? (See map link below.) A recent issue of Car and Driver features a review of a rental Ford Mustang Shelby GT-S in which they refer to the road as the "Tail of the Gator" (an obvious play on the Tail of the Dragon).

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/28.8559542,-82.5796685/28.8677362,-82.6653146/@28.8495649,-82.6451172,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!4m1!3e0

Here's the article referenced above, in case anyone's interested. (https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a28746417/2019-ford-mustang-shelby-gt-s-sixt-by-the-numbers/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_cdb&utm_medium=email&date=082019&utm_campaign=%7B%22%CB%9Cnl'%2B%28blast.id%29%7D&src=nl)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on August 20, 2019, 08:06:18 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 20, 2019, 05:10:37 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 17, 2019, 01:02:14 PM
Anybody ever been on Ozello Trail near Crystal River? (See map link below.) A recent issue of Car and Driver features a review of a rental Ford Mustang Shelby GT-S in which they refer to the road as the "Tail of the Gator" (an obvious play on the Tail of the Dragon).

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/28.8559542,-82.5796685/28.8677362,-82.6653146/@28.8495649,-82.6451172,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!4m1!3e0

Here's the article referenced above, in case anyone's interested. (https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a28746417/2019-ford-mustang-shelby-gt-s-sixt-by-the-numbers/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_cdb&utm_medium=email&date=082019&utm_campaign=%7B%22%CB%9Cnl'%2B%28blast.id%29%7D&src=nl)

I often wonder if any of these car magazines ever heard of the roads on the Brooksville Ridge?  Those hills offer a mountain-like driving experience and some really awesome high speed curved. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on August 20, 2019, 08:28:02 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 20, 2019, 08:06:18 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 20, 2019, 05:10:37 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 17, 2019, 01:02:14 PM
Anybody ever been on Ozello Trail near Crystal River? (See map link below.) A recent issue of Car and Driver features a review of a rental Ford Mustang Shelby GT-S in which they refer to the road as the "Tail of the Gator" (an obvious play on the Tail of the Dragon).

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/28.8559542,-82.5796685/28.8677362,-82.6653146/@28.8495649,-82.6451172,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!4m1!3e0

Here’s the article referenced above, in case anyone’s interested. (https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a28746417/2019-ford-mustang-shelby-gt-s-sixt-by-the-numbers/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_cdb&utm_medium=email&date=082019&utm_campaign=%7B‘nl’%2B%28blast.id%29%7D&src=nl)

I often wonder if any of these car magazines ever heard of the roads on the Brooksville Ridge?  Those hills offer a mountain-like driving experience and some really awesome high speed curved. 

As a long-time subscriber, I think they usually only get to typically drive on roads in the Michigan and Ohio areas, or wherever else the press junkets take them. So they're more likely to wind up in Miami for a new vehicle launch or maybe Daytona Beach during Race Weeks, but not typically Lake Wales nor Tallahassee.

I know they also use their long-term vehicles to tracks or other events, but they'll have to return the test vehicle after a few days, so the next writer can have their say.

For all we know, that article was underwritten by Sixt, but sometimes they come up with nutty ideas.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 20, 2019, 10:57:56 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 20, 2019, 08:06:18 PM
I often wonder if any of these car magazines ever heard of the roads on the Brooksville Ridge?  Those hills offer a mountain-like driving experience and some really awesome high speed curved. 
This is very true. I've driven on them and I've never had a supercar in my entire life. I was actually going to recommend the vicinity of Clermont, because the sheer size of those hills dwarf those of the Brooksville Ridge. But with all the rampant development in the vicinities of FL 50 and US 27, any attempts at thrill driving would be severely hindered.

Although there seems to be some hope for that area:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugarloaf_Mountain_(Florida)

Google Images (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Sugarloaf+Summit/@28.6483761,-81.7310964,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipPXLPVebPUuA0lQ7JFDz_vjKqob-I-v66Qi-Iyk!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPXLPVebPUuA0lQ7JFDz_vjKqob-I-v66Qi-Iyk%3Dw360-h202-k-no!7i4160!8i2340!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x0:0x0!2zMjjCsDM4JzU4LjAiTiA4McKwNDMnNTkuMyJX!3b1!8m2!3d28.649441!4d-81.733132!3m4!1s0x88e7905472351e89:0x9464e1bc0d20f55b!8m2!3d28.6483752!4d-81.7311037?hl=en)


Topography Map:
https://www.topozone.com/map/?lat=28.649174&lon=-81.733113

Bikers and motorcyclists from all over the world go there for the drive, judging by those pictures.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: edwaleni on August 22, 2019, 06:17:21 PM
Quote from: formulanone on August 20, 2019, 08:28:02 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 20, 2019, 08:06:18 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 20, 2019, 05:10:37 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 17, 2019, 01:02:14 PM
Anybody ever been on Ozello Trail near Crystal River? (See map link below.) A recent issue of Car and Driver features a review of a rental Ford Mustang Shelby GT-S in which they refer to the road as the "Tail of the Gator" (an obvious play on the Tail of the Dragon).

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/28.8559542,-82.5796685/28.8677362,-82.6653146/@28.8495649,-82.6451172,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!4m1!3e0

Here's the article referenced above, in case anyone's interested. (https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a28746417/2019-ford-mustang-shelby-gt-s-sixt-by-the-numbers/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_cdb&utm_medium=email&date=082019&utm_campaign=%7B%22%CB%9Cnl'%2B%28blast.id%29%7D&src=nl)

I often wonder if any of these car magazines ever heard of the roads on the Brooksville Ridge?  Those hills offer a mountain-like driving experience and some really awesome high speed curved. 

As a long-time subscriber, I think they usually only get to typically drive on roads in the Michigan and Ohio areas, or wherever else the press junkets take them. So they're more likely to wind up in Miami for a new vehicle launch or maybe Daytona Beach during Race Weeks, but not typically Lake Wales nor Tallahassee.

I know they also use their long-term vehicles to tracks or other events, but they'll have to return the test vehicle after a few days, so the next writer can have their say.

For all we know, that article was underwritten by Sixt, but sometimes they come up with nutty ideas.

When Bugatti showed the first US spec Veyron on Amelia Island, they had 2 available for the press and they were seen motoring down I-10. After Baldwin at some very high rates of speed. But the later reviews complained about the joint bumps on I-295.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on August 22, 2019, 10:37:25 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on August 22, 2019, 06:17:21 PM
Quote from: formulanone on August 20, 2019, 08:28:02 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 20, 2019, 08:06:18 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 20, 2019, 05:10:37 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 17, 2019, 01:02:14 PM
Anybody ever been on Ozello Trail near Crystal River? (See map link below.) A recent issue of Car and Driver features a review of a rental Ford Mustang Shelby GT-S in which they refer to the road as the "Tail of the Gator" (an obvious play on the Tail of the Dragon).

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/28.8559542,-82.5796685/28.8677362,-82.6653146/@28.8495649,-82.6451172,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!4m1!3e0 (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/28.8559542,-82.5796685/28.8677362,-82.6653146/@28.8495649,-82.6451172,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!4m1!3e0)

Here's the article referenced above, in case anyone's interested. (https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a28746417/2019-ford-mustang-shelby-gt-s-sixt-by-the-numbers/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_cdb&utm_medium=email&date=082019&utm_campaign=%7B%22%CB%9Cnl'%2B%28blast.id%29%7D&src=nl)

I often wonder if any of these car magazines ever heard of the roads on the Brooksville Ridge?  Those hills offer a mountain-like driving experience and some really awesome high speed curved. 

As a long-time subscriber, I think they usually only get to typically drive on roads in the Michigan and Ohio areas, or wherever else the press junkets take them. So they're more likely to wind up in Miami for a new vehicle launch or maybe Daytona Beach during Race Weeks, but not typically Lake Wales nor Tallahassee.

I know they also use their long-term vehicles to tracks or other events, but they'll have to return the test vehicle after a few days, so the next writer can have their say.

For all we know, that article was underwritten by Sixt, but sometimes they come up with nutty ideas.

When Bugatti showed the first US spec Veyron on Amelia Island, they had 2 available for the press and they were seen motoring down I-10. After Baldwin at some very high rates of speed. But the later reviews complained about the joint bumps on I-295.
Which section, the East Beltway or the West Beltway?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on August 26, 2019, 01:09:58 AM
Google Maps shows the completed changes to downtown Oviedo. One-way couplet removed. New route marker signage.
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6702445,-81.2083091,88m/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6702445,-81.2083091,88m/data=!3m1!1e3)

Whack street name sign mount:
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6702709,-81.2096194,3a,17.1y,114.23h,92.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slAXnKtIKwCn7Hjh654o-kg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6702709,-81.2096194,3a,17.1y,114.23h,92.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slAXnKtIKwCn7Hjh654o-kg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on August 26, 2019, 08:22:17 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on August 26, 2019, 01:09:58 AM
Google Maps shows the completed changes to downtown Oviedo. One-way couplet removed. New route marker signage.
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6702445,-81.2083091,88m/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6702445,-81.2083091,88m/data=!3m1!1e3)

Whack street name sign mount:
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6702709,-81.2096194,3a,17.1y,114.23h,92.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slAXnKtIKwCn7Hjh654o-kg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6702709,-81.2096194,3a,17.1y,114.23h,92.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slAXnKtIKwCn7Hjh654o-kg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

I forgot about that one-way couplet of SR 434 at SR 419, SR 426, CR 419 and CR 426. Drove through there last December and finally posted pictures from then in April:

SR 434 north (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/fl-434-north-oviedo/)
CR 419 (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/cr-419-fl/)
CR 426 (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/cr-426-fl/)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: storm2k on August 29, 2019, 06:31:32 PM
So I've been down in Orlando this week for work, first time here since I was a teenager going to Disney in the early 90s, and I have to ask: what is with Orange County and the weird abbreviations they use for roads on their street signs? All their boulevards (of which there seem to be many) are Bv instead of Bl or Blvd, and SR 434 Alafaya Trail (which I have been traveling along every day between my hotel and the office) is Tl instead of Tr. This is definitely an Orange County thing because when you cross into Seminole County, the abbreviations go back to the more normal MUTCD standard abbreviations.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on August 31, 2019, 04:17:42 PM
Orlando Metro: FDOT has corrected the sign error at SR 436 & Kewannee TR. They replaced a keep right with at traffic may pass on either side sign. Also the parking lot has street view so you can see the BGS for the traffic exiting it. Where else are you going to see a BGS for a strip center exit?

Island Sign: https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6487631,-81.3252997,3a,23.5y,97.01h,91.55t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sSVEAqgr9reM9oZuycNuh8w!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DSVEAqgr9reM9oZuycNuh8w%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D65.114006%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6487631,-81.3252997,3a,23.5y,97.01h,91.55t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sSVEAqgr9reM9oZuycNuh8w!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DSVEAqgr9reM9oZuycNuh8w%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D65.114006%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100)

Before when it was wrong:https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6489424,-81.3249892,3a,31y,182.28h,85.78t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGwCzsvWm51bY6CiEDe9iRQ!2e0!5s20140501T000000!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6489424,-81.3249892,3a,31y,182.28h,85.78t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGwCzsvWm51bY6CiEDe9iRQ!2e0!5s20140501T000000!7i13312!8i6656)

BGS: https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6492217,-81.3249159,3a,75y,207.8h,90.95t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1smDHPoGOqUwIXFJKZFuV-Lg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DmDHPoGOqUwIXFJKZFuV-Lg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D130.71745%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6492217,-81.3249159,3a,75y,207.8h,90.95t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1smDHPoGOqUwIXFJKZFuV-Lg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DmDHPoGOqUwIXFJKZFuV-Lg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D130.71745%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on September 09, 2019, 12:01:40 AM
Eastbound I-4 at I-95. The overhead sign is confusing/misleading. US 92 does not pass thru here, nor does it follow I-95. Should say "TO US 92".
US 92 was not on the overheads here before the construction

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1533978,-81.0803979,3a,20.1y,52.94h,92.89t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s-qk0T1JhxjM9qYhfD77JeQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D-qk0T1JhxjM9qYhfD77JeQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D106.982574%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1533978,-81.0803979,3a,20.1y,52.94h,92.89t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s-qk0T1JhxjM9qYhfD77JeQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D-qk0T1JhxjM9qYhfD77JeQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D106.982574%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)

AA Roads photos before const: https://www.aaroads.com/guides/i-004-east-volusia-fl/ (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/i-004-east-volusia-fl/)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 22, 2019, 08:54:39 AM
FL Tpk study the possibility to add an interchange at Sand Lake Rd/FL-482. I don't know if it'll be a traditionnal diamond or a DDI. http://www.floridasturnpike.com/sandlakeinterchange.html

They also study for future upgrades of the Orlando South interchange (US-17/92/441/FL-528). http://www.floridasturnpike.com/orlandosouth.html
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 22, 2019, 10:01:18 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on September 09, 2019, 12:01:40 AM
Eastbound I-4 at I-95. The overhead sign is confusing/misleading. US 92 does not pass thru here, nor does it follow I-95. Should say "TO US 92".
US 92 was not on the overheads here before the construction

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1533978,-81.0803979,3a,20.1y,52.94h,92.89t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s-qk0T1JhxjM9qYhfD77JeQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D-qk0T1JhxjM9qYhfD77JeQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D106.982574%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1533978,-81.0803979,3a,20.1y,52.94h,92.89t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s-qk0T1JhxjM9qYhfD77JeQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D-qk0T1JhxjM9qYhfD77JeQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D106.982574%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)

AA Roads photos before const: https://www.aaroads.com/guides/i-004-east-volusia-fl/ (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/i-004-east-volusia-fl/)
Looks like the risk of cutting off a lot of other cars and trucks to get to US 92 from there.

Closer to where I live, I don't know if anybody posted this yet, but US 98 and FL 50 in the vicinity of I-75 has been finished since earlier this month.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on September 22, 2019, 12:32:43 PM
Brevard County's first DDI has been up and running for about a month now at I-95 and Viera Blvd. Of course, it took two months to actually, you know, finish the punch list items before they opened it, but that's a minor peccadillo. The local traffic is starting to use the interchange, it'll be a blessing for me to get to the VA Clinic without having to fight the entire length of Stadium Parkway.

The construction of the Ellis Road interchange is moving right along with most of the grading done and the viaduct across I95 moving at a good clip.

Now for the fun question-will they get the Palm Bay Heritage Parkway connected to the west ends of both Ellis Road and the Pineda Causeway (and Eau Gallie to boot)?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Beltway on September 22, 2019, 02:24:42 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on September 22, 2019, 12:32:43 PM
The construction of the Ellis Road interchange is moving right along with most of the grading done and the viaduct across I95 moving at a good clip.
Now for the fun question-will they get the Palm Bay Heritage Parkway connected to the west ends of both Ellis Road and the Pineda Causeway (and Eau Gallie to boot)?
It is not currently planned to go north of Ellis Road, although I have seen past proposals that would extend it to Rockledge or maybe Cocoa.

http://parkwaypatriots.weebly.com/maps.html
http://www.palmbayparkway.com/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: wanderer2575 on September 22, 2019, 03:16:52 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on September 09, 2019, 12:01:40 AM
Eastbound I-4 at I-95. The overhead sign is confusing/misleading. US 92 does not pass thru here, nor does it follow I-95. Should say "TO US 92".
US 92 was not on the overheads here before the construction

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1533978,-81.0803979,3a,20.1y,52.94h,92.89t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s-qk0T1JhxjM9qYhfD77JeQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D-qk0T1JhxjM9qYhfD77JeQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D106.982574%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1533978,-81.0803979,3a,20.1y,52.94h,92.89t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s-qk0T1JhxjM9qYhfD77JeQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D-qk0T1JhxjM9qYhfD77JeQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D106.982574%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)

Technically, I might agree.  In practical reality, especially for the non-anal non-roadgeek public, so what?  If the road takes them to US-92, what's the problem?  Need to stop seeing the forest for the trees.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on September 23, 2019, 05:36:22 AM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on September 22, 2019, 03:16:52 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on September 09, 2019, 12:01:40 AM
Eastbound I-4 at I-95. The overhead sign is confusing/misleading. US 92 does not pass thru here, nor does it follow I-95. Should say "TO US 92".
US 92 was not on the overheads here before the construction

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1533978,-81.0803979,3a,20.1y,52.94h,92.89t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s-qk0T1JhxjM9qYhfD77JeQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D-qk0T1JhxjM9qYhfD77JeQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D106.982574%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1533978,-81.0803979,3a,20.1y,52.94h,92.89t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s-qk0T1JhxjM9qYhfD77JeQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D-qk0T1JhxjM9qYhfD77JeQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D106.982574%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)

Technically, I might agree.  In practical reality, especially for the non-anal non-roadgeek public, so what?  If the road takes them to US-92, what's the problem?  Need to stop seeing the forest for the trees.


Heh, why wouldn't someone take the I-4 exit just before this junction for the actual US 92 exit?

They'll probably rivet a "TO" next to the US 92, since it's the main drag through the Daytona Beach area.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 23, 2019, 07:38:41 AM
New Jersey does it with US 46 on I-280.  They sign Exit 1 for TO US 46 (as that is the best way to get to it as there are no direct ramps at the west terminus at I-80) however, at the end, the ramp leading from I-280 to the I-80 local lanes for I-287 traffic has also a TO US 46 shield in the same manner.  The I-287 exit off of I-80 W Bound does have access to US 46 via Littleton Road. 

So this concept at I-4's end is not played out.   Plus the new I-95 N Bound ramp I think ties into a c/d roadway that also is the NB I-95 ramp to US 92 as well.  Also in the 1990's Daytona Beach was signed via I-95 N Bound to US 92 E Bound as the former left US 92 ramp had no control city on it.  The pull through for I-4 E Bound there was signed for Daytona Beach and Jacksonville and everyone (this was pre GPS) followed that into I-95 for US 92 instead of that direct exit then. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: RG407 on September 29, 2019, 11:26:31 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on September 22, 2019, 08:54:39 AM
FL Tpk study the possibility to add an interchange at Sand Lake Rd/FL-482. I don't know if it'll be a traditionnal diamond or a DDI. http://www.floridasturnpike.com/sandlakeinterchange.html (http://www.floridasturnpike.com/sandlakeinterchange.html)

They also study for future upgrades of the Orlando South interchange (US-17/92/441/FL-528). http://www.floridasturnpike.com/orlandosouth.html (http://www.floridasturnpike.com/orlandosouth.html)

A Turnpike interchange with Sand Lake Rd. or John Young Parkway would have been a good idea 20 years ago.  Now, I don't think Sand Lake needs the additional traffic.  This sounds like a "hey, what do you think about this?" trial balloon.  The Turnpike folks floated one several years ago at Hiawassee Road in Southwest Orlando.  It got shot down fairly quickly by nearby residents.

The Orlando South interchange is long overdue for an upgrade.  The double trumpet and use of surface roads for connections to FL 528 is extremely outdated.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on October 01, 2019, 01:55:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBm-c7dEdTk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifFS4_AeXvs

Here is a video of the proposed improvements at the I-275/I-4 interchange in Tampa.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on October 01, 2019, 08:32:26 PM
Sand Lake has enough headaches to warrant this. Walmart is right next to it built on land originally planned for office parks.  If that development along John Young became corporate offices instead of shared retail and offices, it would be feasible.

The Orlando south needs more direct ramps as traffic bottlenecks there from substandard ramps and overzealous politicians and get rich quick development in Central Florida.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on October 01, 2019, 11:11:13 PM
More I-75 stuff.

As I mentioned on another thread, the northbound I-75 Marion County truck weigh station is under reconstruction. The northbound off-ramp to FL 44 (Exit 329), has been officially relocated and opened, and is joined by northbound Exit 307 on Florida's Turnpike, making this the new last exit on the turnpike. The southbound on-ramps from FL 44 are still being worked on though.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 02, 2019, 04:13:48 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on October 01, 2019, 11:11:13 PM
More I-75 stuff.

As I mentioned on another thread, the northbound I-75 Marion County truck weigh station is under reconstruction. The northbound off-ramp to FL 44 (Exit 329), has been officially relocated and opened, and is joined by northbound Exit 307 on Florida's Turnpike, making this the new last exit on the turnpike. The southbound on-ramps from FL 44 are still being worked on though.

So, does this mean that I should extend the Turnpike on TM?  Or how does this all work now?  Is there a layout as to how what/will change?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Eth on October 02, 2019, 10:00:54 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 02, 2019, 04:13:48 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on October 01, 2019, 11:11:13 PM
More I-75 stuff.

As I mentioned on another thread, the northbound I-75 Marion County truck weigh station is under reconstruction. The northbound off-ramp to FL 44 (Exit 329), has been officially relocated and opened, and is joined by northbound Exit 307 on Florida's Turnpike, making this the new last exit on the turnpike. The southbound on-ramps from FL 44 are still being worked on though.

So, does this mean that I should extend the Turnpike on TM?  Or how does this all work now?  Is there a layout as to how what/will change?

The only thing I can come up with is Street View (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.8581344,-82.08893,3a,75y,337.46h,97.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFDBueZztBZfzmeJJwjiAYA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), where signage suggests that this is probably roughly where the northbound gore point is. OSM doesn't seem to be updated here, and the only satellite imagery I can find is from before construction even started.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jdb1234 on October 02, 2019, 02:47:30 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on October 01, 2019, 11:11:13 PM
More I-75 stuff.

As I mentioned on another thread, the northbound I-75 Marion County truck weigh station is under reconstruction. The northbound off-ramp to FL 44 (Exit 329), has been officially relocated and opened, and is joined by northbound Exit 307 on Florida's Turnpike, making this the new last exit on the turnpike. The southbound on-ramps from FL 44 are still being worked on though.

I noticed some of that on my way home from Marco Island back in August (I detoured through The Villages and then to Orland on my way down).  The bad thing is this is going to cause a bottleneck north of FL 44 where 3 lanes of I-75 Northbound and 2 lanes of the Turnpike Northbound merge into 3 lanes of I-75.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on October 03, 2019, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: jdb1234 on October 02, 2019, 02:47:30 PM

The bad thing is this is going to cause a bottleneck north of FL 44 where 3 lanes of I-75 Northbound and 2 lanes of the Turnpike Northbound merge into 3 lanes of I-75.

And that will be different how? In our 4 years of traveling between Virginia and Tampa, that section of I-75 has typically been where we will hit a snag (along with Charlotte, but that's just Charlotte). We have been in some monumental slowdowns/backups because of a wreck somewhere around exit 329.

The upside is that progress has been made and the long section of two-lane traffic was sharply reduced when we came through back in early August. The other good news is that after years of "work" on the project, the Starke bypass is complete. We can only hope that it doesn't take as long to finish the Baldwin bypass.

Bruce in Blacksburg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: edwaleni on October 04, 2019, 08:38:43 AM
Project Details
Project Start:   March 2017
Expected Completion:   Summer 2020
Cost:   $60 million
Roads   U.S. 301
Counties   Duval
Cities   Baldwin
Contact
Bianca Speights
904-360-5471
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on October 04, 2019, 11:18:25 AM
Is Marion County going to add a County Road designation for the Belleview Loop (SE 132nd St. Rd. and SE 92 Loop), or not?


Also, does anybody remember those artistic looking road signs I mentioned in DeLand?

Here they are:
https://ibb.co/f44pc99 (https://ibb.co/f44pc99)
(I hate it when you try to insert images and they don't show up.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on October 28, 2019, 11:37:34 PM
Quote from: jdb1234 on October 02, 2019, 02:47:30 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on October 01, 2019, 11:11:13 PM
More I-75 stuff.

As I mentioned on another thread, the northbound I-75 Marion County truck weigh station is under reconstruction. The northbound off-ramp to FL 44 (Exit 329), has been officially relocated and opened, and is joined by northbound Exit 307 on Florida's Turnpike, making this the new last exit on the turnpike. The southbound on-ramps from FL 44 are still being worked on though.

I noticed some of that on my way home from Marco Island back in August (I detoured through The Villages and then to Orland on my way down).  The bad thing is this is going to cause a bottleneck north of FL 44 where 3 lanes of I-75 Northbound and 2 lanes of the Turnpike Northbound merge into 3 lanes of I-75.
I just though I saw a major flaw with this project that I never anticipated. It's obvious that the whole purpose of the reconstruction project is to prevent weaving between traffic coming off of Florida's Turnpike and entering FL 44 northbound and vice versa southbound. However, I was concerned that the current plan simply moves the weaving from the main northbound lanes to the extended off-ramp from I-75. You could have people weaving from the new Exit 307 on the turnpike to go eastbound at FL 44, and drivers leaving I-75 will be weaving to go west on FL 44.

A simple solution; extend and split Exit 307, so that eastbound and westbound ramps can only be on one side of the new northbound off-ramp from I-75.

Looking closer at the vicinity made me realize this might not be necessary.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on November 20, 2019, 10:22:18 PM
Osceola CO: The I-4 sign on the overhead on the NB exit ramp from John Young Pkwy to Osceola Pkwy was in perfect condition when I photographed it in 2015. When GSV went through in 2019, it was blank white:https://www.google.com/maps/@28.3412474,-81.4193382,3a,37.2y,8.06h,92.79t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sxL_4kDCBdeiMZltOw6VQHQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DxL_4kDCBdeiMZltOw6VQHQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D163.42297%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.3412474,-81.4193382,3a,37.2y,8.06h,92.79t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sxL_4kDCBdeiMZltOw6VQHQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DxL_4kDCBdeiMZltOw6VQHQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D163.42297%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)

2015:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49098198621_a5a564b5a8_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hND6TT)Vac.8.2015.C1 237 (https://flic.kr/p/2hND6TT) by Brian Kosich (https://www.flickr.com/photos/165116087@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on December 03, 2019, 10:35:01 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on September 22, 2019, 12:32:43 PM
Brevard County's first DDI has been up and running for about a month now at I-95 and Viera Blvd. Of course, it took two months to actually, you know, finish the punch list items before they opened it, but that's a minor peccadillo. The local traffic is starting to use the interchange, it'll be a blessing for me to get to the VA Clinic without having to fight the entire length of Stadium Parkway.

....

We drove through the Viera DDI tonight on Viera Boulevard for the first time on our way to dinner at the Mexican place outside Publix on Stadium Parkway. I haven't been here since last Christmas. Main thing I noted is the annoying speed limit drop–40 mph on either side but 30 mph through the DDI. I couldn't help but wonder if they think people would fly in at 50+ and not make the curve where you cross over to the left side.

I also thought the ramp from NB I-95 to Viera Boulevard should have been designed so right-turning traffic to EB Viera wouldn't have to wait at a red light that prohibits turns on red, but I understand there were some environmental issues that constrained the ramps' design.

Either way, a huge improvement.....and now that it's there, my sister-in-law no longer lives right across Stadium Parkway from Publix. We're here to visit her because she's been diagnosed with cancer that's almost certain to be terminal, and she's in an assisted-living facility nearby because of the effects it's having on her.




Unrelated to the DDI: What are they doing on the Bee Line east from 417? It was dark by the time our flight landed, so all I could see was a long parade of orange barrels on the right side of the eastbound carriageway. I guess I might get a better look later this week on the way back to MCO because that'll be during the afternoon.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on December 03, 2019, 10:42:37 PM
Found a Turnpike Route Marker Assembly with a diagonal down arrow like California. Also the I-75 arrow plaque is the wrong style, and the turnpike sign should be next to it
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.8375775,-82.0454407,3a,20.3y,344.56h,89.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slYD7h7HOYuw1T6DBo89a2w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ozarkman417 on December 03, 2019, 11:06:28 PM
According to This article (https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2019/10/17/palm-bay-interchange-nowhere-may-open-december-after-delays-slow-connector-road/3995454002/), the St. John's Heritage Parkway exit from I-95 (#166) should now be open, after two months of delays. I missed the opening by only a few days when I went down to Lake Okeechobee.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 04, 2019, 01:17:37 AM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on December 03, 2019, 11:06:28 PM
According to This article (https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2019/10/17/palm-bay-interchange-nowhere-may-open-december-after-delays-slow-connector-road/3995454002/), the St. John's Heritage Parkway exit from I-95 (#166) should now be open, after two months of delays. I missed the opening by only a few days when I went down to Lake Okeechobee.

Nope, projected to be the 8th now (https://spacecoastdaily.com/2019/12/city-of-palm-bay-gives-an-update-on-the-completion-of-st-johns-heritage-parkway/).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 04, 2019, 08:10:19 AM
The construction on 528 is for the rail line to Miami (forget what they're calling it now).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on December 04, 2019, 09:06:33 AM
Quote from: NE2 on December 04, 2019, 08:10:19 AM
The construction on 528 is for the rail line to Miami (forget what they're calling it now).

I think it's the Brightline. > https://www.gobrightline.com

I thought they'd renamed Tri-Rail, but they're separate. Of course, there's Virgin sponsorship, which makes it a little more confusing.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on December 04, 2019, 09:57:11 AM
Quote from: NE2 on December 04, 2019, 08:10:19 AM
The construction on 528 is for the rail line to Miami (forget what they're calling it now).

Thanks. It was just too dark to see anything other than the barrels last night.

Looking out the hotel window, I'm struck by the order of "South I-95"  (rather than "I-95 South" ) on this BGS; its companion on the other side of the highway likewise has "North I-95."  Always strikes me as odd when it's like this.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191204/bfa2f7ba3732b36e949e962b4b69cdfa.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on December 04, 2019, 10:22:17 PM
This apparently happened late last year, but it appears Las Olas Boulevard in Fort Lauderdale has been dropped from the books, terminating SR 842 at US 1 according to SLDs. The portion of Las Olas between US 1 and SE 16th Ave was already relinquished to the city long ago, creating a gap in the road.

GSV confirms 842 shields on Las Olas are gone. It also shows an erroneous EAST SR A1A sign that was erected, clearly meant to be a "TO" trailblazer.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on December 06, 2019, 05:30:31 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 04, 2019, 08:10:19 AM
The construction on 528 is for the rail line to Miami (forget what they're calling it now).

Thanks again. I got a better look at it on the way back to MCO this afternoon, but I still wouldn't have guessed what they were doing. A fellow at the place where my sister-in-law lives confirmed it's a high-speed rail project.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: TimQuiQui on December 10, 2019, 10:05:32 PM
More trainline details available in this article

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox13news.com/news/construction-starts-on-high-speed-train-route-from-orlando-to-south-florida.amp
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 10, 2019, 10:29:47 PM
Was on 528 earlier and initial work is at Narcoosee Road as the ramps to and from the EB side are being redone to accommodate the rail line.  Also at the Econ River, International Corporate Park Blvd (which is closed to traffic now under the freeway), and at Dallas Blvd. sees the progress of future bridges for the rail grade.  In addition work is underway at the Orlando Airport as the line will run between Jeff Fiqua Blvd. and the apron (what the FAA calls the plane's parking area) or the tarmac and signs of clearing are visible.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Roadsguy on December 10, 2019, 10:50:24 PM
Did FDOT ever apply for the I-795 designation on SR 9B? The whole thing has been open for a while now, but I haven't heard of it getting signed as an Interstate.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on December 11, 2019, 05:56:23 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 10, 2019, 10:50:24 PM
Did FDOT ever apply for the I-795 designation on SR 9B? The whole thing has been open for a while now, but I haven't heard of it getting signed as an Interstate.
I'm sure it's going to be signed soon enough, though probably not until next year at the earliest.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 11, 2019, 06:30:02 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on December 11, 2019, 05:56:23 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 10, 2019, 10:50:24 PM
Did FDOT ever apply for the I-795 designation on SR 9B? The whole thing has been open for a while now, but I haven't heard of it getting signed as an Interstate.
I'm sure it's going to be signed soon enough, though probably not until next year at the earliest.

At least The Ghostbuster only asks inane questions and doesn't make wild-ass guesses.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 11, 2019, 08:24:40 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 10, 2019, 10:50:24 PM
Did FDOT ever apply for the I-795 designation on SR 9B? The whole thing has been open for a while now, but I haven't heard of it getting signed as an Interstate.
Probably not, but then again look how long it took to get FL 9A signed as East Beltway I-295.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Beltway on December 12, 2019, 09:21:45 PM
Florida senator: Palm Bay 'really dropped the ball' with I-95 interchange, connector road
Florida Today Published Dec. 12, 2019

Florida Sen. Tom Lee, a former Senate president, has served in Tallahassee from 1996 to 2006 and 2012 to the present.  But the Brandon Republican could not recall a situation like Palm Bay's new Interstate 95 interchange – which remains closed four months after its completion.

"I've never heard of an interchange getting built with no connection to it," Lee said during Thursday's Joint Legislative Auditing Committee meeting.  "Sounds like somebody really dropped the ball," Lee said.


See the URL for the rest of the article.
https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2019/12/12/florida-senator-palm-bay-really-dropped-ball-95-interchange/2607009001/

No mystery, the connecting St. Johns Heritage Parkway segment has not yet been completed.

This interchange is actually south of Palm Bay, near the towns of Grant and Micco.  Currently there is 18 miles between the FL-514 Malabar Road interchange and the FL-512 Sebastian Blvd. interchange, with no intervening interchange, and this new interchange is 8 miles south of the Malabar Road interchange.

Hopefully it will be open next time I am in the area for a MelHi reunion in Sept. 2021!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 12, 2019, 09:48:02 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on December 03, 2019, 10:42:37 PM
Found a Turnpike Route Marker Assembly with a diagonal down arrow like California. Also the I-75 arrow plaque is the wrong style, and the turnpike sign should be next to it
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.8375775,-82.0454407,3a,20.3y,344.56h,89.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slYD7h7HOYuw1T6DBo89a2w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
US 301 south of Wildwood!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on December 21, 2019, 08:34:32 PM
New Toll SR markers on pavement in Orlando:
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4499861,-81.3495543,3a,75y,110.43h,76.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbfmIDXJS3v9Z9qP_j68gBQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4499861,-81.3495543,3a,75y,110.43h,76.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbfmIDXJS3v9Z9qP_j68gBQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4502215,-81.3504921,3a,18.8y,77.21h,78.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sST24QDJmeCI8uQEzBG3sRQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4502215,-81.3504921,3a,18.8y,77.21h,78.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sST24QDJmeCI8uQEzBG3sRQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

They did goof up by making the top green
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on December 22, 2019, 08:58:58 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on December 21, 2019, 08:34:32 PM
New Toll SR markers on pavement in Orlando:
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4499861,-81.3495543,3a,75y,110.43h,76.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbfmIDXJS3v9Z9qP_j68gBQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4499861,-81.3495543,3a,75y,110.43h,76.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbfmIDXJS3v9Z9qP_j68gBQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4502215,-81.3504921,3a,18.8y,77.21h,78.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sST24QDJmeCI8uQEzBG3sRQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4502215,-81.3504921,3a,18.8y,77.21h,78.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sST24QDJmeCI8uQEzBG3sRQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

They did goof up by making the top green

The Toll shield used to have green "caps". The yellow caps have only been around around for a decade, which resembles national usage for TOLL identification.

I like the orange outline, which seems to be much more common in Central Florida than the rest of the state.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: UCFKnights on December 22, 2019, 11:22:22 AM
Quote from: formulanone on December 22, 2019, 08:58:58 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on December 21, 2019, 08:34:32 PM
New Toll SR markers on pavement in Orlando:
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4499861,-81.3495543,3a,75y,110.43h,76.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbfmIDXJS3v9Z9qP_j68gBQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4499861,-81.3495543,3a,75y,110.43h,76.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbfmIDXJS3v9Z9qP_j68gBQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4502215,-81.3504921,3a,18.8y,77.21h,78.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sST24QDJmeCI8uQEzBG3sRQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4502215,-81.3504921,3a,18.8y,77.21h,78.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sST24QDJmeCI8uQEzBG3sRQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

They did goof up by making the top green


The Toll shield used to have green "caps". The yellow caps have only been around around for a decade, which resembles national usage for TOLL identification.

I like the orange outline, which seems to be much more common in Central Florida than the rest of the state.
I don't think I've ever seen it outside of Central Florida? The problem with it is that orange material seems to fade way faster then anything else, there are so many signs around where the state outline just appears missing as a result of that.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on December 24, 2019, 08:40:51 PM
Quote from: formulanone on December 22, 2019, 08:58:58 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on December 21, 2019, 08:34:32 PM
New Toll SR markers on pavement in Orlando:
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4499861,-81.3495543,3a,75y,110.43h,76.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbfmIDXJS3v9Z9qP_j68gBQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4499861,-81.3495543,3a,75y,110.43h,76.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbfmIDXJS3v9Z9qP_j68gBQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4502215,-81.3504921,3a,18.8y,77.21h,78.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sST24QDJmeCI8uQEzBG3sRQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4502215,-81.3504921,3a,18.8y,77.21h,78.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sST24QDJmeCI8uQEzBG3sRQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

They did goof up by making the top green

The Toll shield used to have green "caps". The yellow caps have only been around around for a decade, which resembles national usage for TOLL identification.

I like the orange outline, which seems to be much more common in Central Florida than the rest of the state.

I know the standard used to be green tops. I called it a goof because they used an outdated standard that changed many years ago.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 06, 2020, 08:30:38 AM
Found a modern take on a Keys Shield on the last bit of FL 584 near Palm Harbor (Street View (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.0498052,-82.6952006,3a,19.3y,335.48h,88.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWM_-AgxtdCaHi5aPbzXxGw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)):

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49329574863_3ea599b1a5_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ia5XZr)


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 07, 2020, 08:08:24 PM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/49312780623/in/dateposted-public/ See now SR 7 is not so secret along some parts of US 441.  Usually only street blades and traffic signal assemblies had any mention of the state designation.  Now FDOT has them installed on overhead sign assemblies and not the through US 441 shield.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on January 07, 2020, 11:49:40 PM
Looks like Florida's hurricane-resistant signs didn't fare so well in Michael. GSV Shows some were ripped right off the braces:
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9258908,-85.3892846,3a,60.8y,20.17h,78.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scyCXS80JqTXMJLnba3dLlw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9258908,-85.3892846,3a,60.8y,20.17h,78.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scyCXS80JqTXMJLnba3dLlw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

Route marker assembly:https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9252412,-85.3885779,3a,15.7y,37.98h,77.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smtqntTK8_4tg0HTvf5mjYQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9252412,-85.3885779,3a,15.7y,37.98h,77.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smtqntTK8_4tg0HTvf5mjYQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

Anybody know what winds speeds there are designed to withstand?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 08, 2020, 07:36:33 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 07, 2020, 08:08:24 PM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/49312780623/in/dateposted-public/ See now SR 7 is not so secret along some parts of US 441.  Usually only street blades and traffic signal assemblies had any mention of the state designation.  Now FDOT has them installed on overhead sign assemblies and not the through US 441 shield.

When I lived down there, it seemed both "State Road 7" and "441" were used interchangeably, with the the state road moniker used a little more frequently;  especially in western Palm Beach County where US 441 leaves the SR 7 routing. In Miami-Dade, "7th Avenue" is more commonly used.

Since it was called State Road 7 only a few years before US 441 was extended to Tamiami Trail, it's a curious case of the SR designation hanging on where most hidden numbers stay in obscurity.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on January 09, 2020, 06:17:41 AM
Quote from: formulanone on January 08, 2020, 07:36:33 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 07, 2020, 08:08:24 PM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/49312780623/in/dateposted-public/ See now SR 7 is not so secret along some parts of US 441.  Usually only street blades and traffic signal assemblies had any mention of the state designation.  Now FDOT has them installed on overhead sign assemblies and not the through US 441 shield.

When I lived down there, it seemed both "State Road 7" and "441" were used interchangeably, with the the state road moniker used a little more frequently;  especially in western Palm Beach County where US 441 leaves the SR 7 routing. In Miami-Dade, "7th Avenue" is more commonly used.

Since it was called State Road 7 only a few years before US 441 was extended to Tamiami Trail, it's a curious case of the SR designation hanging on where most hidden numbers stay in obscurity.

I wish FDOT would sign SR 90 along US 41 just because it's a major east-west routing.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 09, 2020, 11:48:24 AM
Quote from: formulanone on January 08, 2020, 07:36:33 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 07, 2020, 08:08:24 PM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/49312780623/in/dateposted-public/ See now SR 7 is not so secret along some parts of US 441.  Usually only street blades and traffic signal assemblies had any mention of the state designation.  Now FDOT has them installed on overhead sign assemblies and not the through US 441 shield.

When I lived down there, it seemed both "State Road 7" and "441" were used interchangeably, with the the state road moniker used a little more frequently;  especially in western Palm Beach County where US 441 leaves the SR 7 routing. In Miami-Dade, "7th Avenue" is more commonly used.

Since it was called State Road 7 only a few years before US 441 was extended to Tamiami Trail, it's a curious case of the SR designation hanging on where most hidden numbers stay in obscurity.
Well GA has it more confusing for US 221 north of Wrens.  It is very concurrent with a E-W signed state route, but GDOT has US 221 signed also as E-W with the state route companion. 

South Florida is more confusing with their signs as for example, US 41 is signed E-W in Miami-Dade County as it does run true east-west there.  However, US 98 is more complicated as it is signed E-W along the Lake Okeechobee shore concurrent with N-S US 441 there.  Yet north of the Okeechobee Line it is signed N-S all the way to Perry where it does change orientation on signs at the US 27 intersection with US 19.  What is confusing is that South Florida does not use the US 41 logic of changing (or keeping) US 98 in Martin and Palm Beach Counties to go along with the change or not.  If the US 41 logic prevails the change of US 98 from E-W to N-S would happen at Belle Glade where US 98 does truly run north and south from there to Okeechobee to the north and leave the part cosigned along SR 80 as E-W.

The issue I think is that FDOT D-4 is unaware that D-1 signs US 98 N-S as when I once contacted them, they pulled the routine that FHWA wants them to sign it that way due to that ruling even numbers are to be signed east-west which we all know is true, but some exceptions to take case like both US 4 and 62 in NY.  Both are even number US routes but are both signed N-S in the Empire State despite FHWA signing rules.  Plus do they know that US 92 and 192 also violate US numbering rules too as being in one state less than 300 miles.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on February 20, 2020, 10:26:04 AM
Just heard from the owner of this forum that Dixie Highway in Miami-Dade County is been renamed the Harriet Tubman Highway as part of that push to rename many roads and public buildings and such.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on February 20, 2020, 01:29:43 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 20, 2020, 10:26:04 AM
Just heard from the owner of this forum that Dixie Highway in Miami-Dade County is been renamed the Harriet Tubman Highway as part of that push to rename many roads and public buildings and such.
She'll probably show up on more currency in time.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 20, 2020, 01:44:19 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 06, 2020, 08:30:38 AM
Found a modern take on a Keys Shield on the last bit of FL 584 near Palm Harbor (Street View (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.0498052,-82.6952006,3a,19.3y,335.48h,88.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWM_-AgxtdCaHi5aPbzXxGw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)):

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49329574863_3ea599b1a5_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ia5XZr)



Another designation that I believe should never be.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on February 20, 2020, 04:10:23 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 20, 2020, 01:44:19 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 06, 2020, 08:30:38 AM
Found a modern take on a Keys Shield on the last bit of FL 584 near Palm Harbor (Street View (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.0498052,-82.6952006,3a,19.3y,335.48h,88.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWM_-AgxtdCaHi5aPbzXxGw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192))...
Another designation that I believe should never be.

Frankly, I'm not sure why SR 584 isn't just a continuation of SR 586, as the county road number is special to Pinellas County (nothing to do with the state grid).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 20, 2020, 10:40:49 PM
Quote from: formulanone on February 20, 2020, 04:10:23 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 20, 2020, 01:44:19 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 06, 2020, 08:30:38 AM
Found a modern take on a Keys Shield on the last bit of FL 584 near Palm Harbor (Street View (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.0498052,-82.6952006,3a,19.3y,335.48h,88.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWM_-AgxtdCaHi5aPbzXxGw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192))...
Another designation that I believe should never be.

Frankly, I'm not sure why SR 584 isn't just a continuation of SR 586, as the county road number is special to Pinellas County (nothing to do with the state grid).
Really? Because I always thought Hillsborough CR 584 was a continuation with some gaps. Either way, I was referring to the idea of SR 584 continuing west along Tampa Road into US Alternate 19 rather than being replaced with Pinellas CR 752.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on February 22, 2020, 06:16:09 PM
Quote from: emory on December 04, 2019, 10:22:17 PM
This apparently happened late last year, but it appears Las Olas Boulevard in Fort Lauderdale has been dropped from the books, terminating SR 842 at US 1 according to SLDs. The portion of Las Olas between US 1 and SE 16th Ave was already relinquished to the city long ago, creating a gap in the road.

GSV confirms 842 shields on Las Olas are gone. It also shows an erroneous EAST SR A1A sign that was erected, clearly meant to be a "TO" trailblazer.

I was wondering about this. I was in Ft. Lauderdale on Feb 14th and took a picture of the new "END 842" shield posted at US 1. Couldn't understand why they did that.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: edwaleni on February 23, 2020, 10:08:19 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 11, 2019, 08:24:40 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 10, 2019, 10:50:24 PM
Did FDOT ever apply for the I-795 designation on SR 9B? The whole thing has been open for a while now, but I haven't heard of it getting signed as an Interstate.
Probably not, but then again look how long it took to get FL 9A signed as East Beltway I-295.

The new signs on I-295 East Beltway are up for the new tolling lanes but under tarps. They all refer it to FL-9B still.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on February 24, 2020, 06:59:09 AM
Quote from: florida on February 22, 2020, 06:16:09 PM
Quote from: emory on December 04, 2019, 10:22:17 PM
This apparently happened late last year, but it appears Las Olas Boulevard in Fort Lauderdale has been dropped from the books, terminating SR 842 at US 1 according to SLDs. The portion of Las Olas between US 1 and SE 16th Ave was already relinquished to the city long ago, creating a gap in the road.

GSV confirms 842 shields on Las Olas are gone. It also shows an erroneous EAST SR A1A sign that was erected, clearly meant to be a "TO" trailblazer.

I was wondering about this. I was in Ft. Lauderdale on Feb 14th and took a picture of the new "END 842" shield posted at US 1. Couldn't understand why they did that.

This doesn't surprise me much; most of Las Olas Boulevard east of US 1 has always seemed a bit more sub-standard on lane width and it's a heavily-used pedestrian area.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: tolbs17 on February 27, 2020, 04:56:04 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.1094638,-81.5087679,3a,49.4y,321.38h,106.15t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sH--Ux6VWMtwZeewgFJGJTg!2e0!5s20191001T000000!7i16384!8i8192

It's a little funny how the overhead sign says "J a x Be a c h es". It looks really sloppy.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on February 27, 2020, 08:27:26 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 27, 2020, 04:56:04 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.1094638,-81.5087679,3a,49.4y,321.38h,106.15t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sH--Ux6VWMtwZeewgFJGJTg!2e0!5s20191001T000000!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.1094638,-81.5087679,3a,49.4y,321.38h,106.15t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sH--Ux6VWMtwZeewgFJGJTg!2e0!5s20191001T000000!7i16384!8i8192)

It's a little funny how the overhead sign says "J a x Be a c h es". It looks really sloppy.
That overhead has been mentioned at least a few times here and on Facebook. It does look due for replacement but it's not gonna happen right away. It could also use a I-795 shield but granted, that interstate designation isn't happening as we speak.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on February 27, 2020, 11:38:19 PM
Speed Limit 55 MPH sign on Faceville Rd NE of Chattahoochee: https://www.google.com/maps/@30.7074713,-84.7909091,3a,39.9y,264.66h,90.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqpFjIhfcAjpIXXs8vFU_7A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.7074713,-84.7909091,3a,39.9y,264.66h,90.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqpFjIhfcAjpIXXs8vFU_7A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on March 03, 2020, 08:39:15 PM
Illegal white centerline on two-way Park Av in Winter Park:
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6078294,-81.3508112,3a,15.4y,6.09h,69.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgNFl2D0WeRL8Wn40TCArow!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6078294,-81.3508112,3a,15.4y,6.09h,69.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgNFl2D0WeRL8Wn40TCArow!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Stephane Dumas on March 09, 2020, 04:27:27 PM
There's some plans to widen FL Tpk between Jupiter and Fort Pierce.
http://www.floridasturnpike.com/treasurecoast.html
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on March 09, 2020, 05:09:06 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on March 09, 2020, 04:27:27 PM
There's some plans to widen FL Tpk between Jupiter and Fort Pierce.
http://www.floridasturnpike.com/treasurecoast.html (http://www.floridasturnpike.com/treasurecoast.html)
It's easy to forget that this particular stretch of the Turnpike has never been widened in the first place! Remember that officials in Martin County, fearing the environmental impact(s) and unwanted growth that the missing Treasure Coast link would (allegedly) bring, fought against the revised plans for I-95 until they eventually agreed to the plans later on.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Stephane Dumas on March 09, 2020, 06:12:53 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on March 09, 2020, 05:09:06 PM
It's easy to forget that this particular stretch of the Turnpike has never been widened in the first place! Remember that officials in Martin County, fearing the environmental impact(s) and unwanted growth that the missing Treasure Coast link would (allegedly) bring, fought against the revised plans for I-95 until they eventually agreed to the plans later on.

And they forget a "Breezewood" at Fort Pierce from what I saw on this location map. http://www.floridasturnpike.com/content/projects/TreasureCoast/423374-1_Project%20Location%20Map_2020-02-26.pdf
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 09, 2020, 07:19:24 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on March 09, 2020, 04:27:27 PM
There's some plans to widen FL Tpk between Jupiter and Fort Pierce.
http://www.floridasturnpike.com/treasurecoast.html

2045 is a bit of a projected lie; they should have started 20 years ago based on traffic counts from...20 years ago.

Quote from: Stephane Dumas on March 09, 2020, 06:12:53 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on March 09, 2020, 05:09:06 PM
It's easy to forget that this particular stretch of the Turnpike has never been widened in the first place! Remember that officials in Martin County, fearing the environmental impact(s) and unwanted growth that the missing Treasure Coast link would (allegedly) bring, fought against the revised plans for I-95 until they eventually agreed to the plans later on.

And they forget a "Breezewood" at Fort Pierce from what I saw on this location map. http://www.floridasturnpike.com/content/projects/TreasureCoast/423374-1_Project%20Location%20Map_2020-02-26.pdf

Traffic counts drop quite a bit north of SR 70, anyhow. (Unless there's an evacuation order or a bunch of folks are going to WDW on a Friday.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on March 10, 2020, 12:19:03 AM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on March 09, 2020, 06:12:53 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on March 09, 2020, 05:09:06 PM
It's easy to forget that this particular stretch of the Turnpike has never been widened in the first place! Remember that officials in Martin County, fearing the environmental impact(s) and unwanted growth that the missing Treasure Coast link would (allegedly) bring, fought against the revised plans for I-95 until they eventually agreed to the plans later on.

And they forget a "Breezewood" at Fort Pierce from what I saw on this location map. http://www.floridasturnpike.com/content/projects/TreasureCoast/423374-1_Project%20Location%20Map_2020-02-26.pdf (http://www.floridasturnpike.com/content/projects/TreasureCoast/423374-1_Project%20Location%20Map_2020-02-26.pdf)
Yes indeed, they tend to forget about that particular indirect connection there, it is very much like Breezewood.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 10, 2020, 08:16:11 AM
They didn't forget anything. (A) suck it up and (B) look at the southernmost interchange.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: RoadPelican on March 10, 2020, 10:54:28 AM
What a scam!  I hate this toll on top of toll scheme that seems to be spreading across Florida.  See also: Beachline Expressway and Suncoast Parkway, but this widening project really takes the cake!

I-95 has been 6 lanes wide since 2005 (maybe be further back, I lived in the area 2005-2009) and the turnpike has been only 4 lanes wide in the same area since it opened in the late 1950's!

Yet I-95 continues to be free and have more lanes than the Turnpike, what a scam!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: pianocello on March 13, 2020, 05:45:33 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on March 09, 2020, 04:27:27 PM
There's some plans to widen FL Tpk between Jupiter and Fort Pierce.
http://www.floridasturnpike.com/treasurecoast.html

I hope this means that widening the ~25 miles between the Martin/Palm Beach county line and the Lantana toll plaza is also on FTE's radar? Because that's the more egregious section that's still 4 lanes, IMO.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: RoadPelican on March 14, 2020, 02:02:22 PM
I hope this means that widening the ~25 miles between the Martin/Palm Beach county line and the Lantana toll plaza is also on FTE's radar? Because that's the more egregious section that's still 4 lanes, IMO.
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Wow, that is definitely a more egregious section when you consider the fact that I-95 (no tolls) already expands from 6 lanes to 8 lanes at the Martin/Palm Beach County line.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: edwaleni on March 14, 2020, 09:02:34 PM
Full blown excavation for the new Brightline/Virgin Rail ROW is in progress for the new bridge over I-95 west of Cocoa.

Also ground clearing to connect the line east of I-95 with another bridge over FL-528 (Beachline) is also being built up.

Pilings for the I-95 overpass are currently being driven, while the bridge over the Beachline appears to be a dirt and tile approach.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on March 15, 2020, 12:30:08 PM
EXIT 25 MPH sign with diagonal arrow...WTF? SR 414 & I-4 in Maitland: https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6314186,-81.3850439,3a,19.9y,281.9h,94.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shHs5k9fURb7n0yg1ueu5kw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6314186,-81.3850439,3a,19.9y,281.9h,94.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shHs5k9fURb7n0yg1ueu5kw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: hotdogPi on March 15, 2020, 12:31:39 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on March 15, 2020, 12:30:08 PM
EXIT 25 MPH sign with diagonal arrow...WTF? SR 414 & I-4 in Maitland: https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6314186,-81.3850439,3a,19.9y,281.9h,94.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shHs5k9fURb7n0yg1ueu5kw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6314186,-81.3850439,3a,19.9y,281.9h,94.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shHs5k9fURb7n0yg1ueu5kw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

I'm not seeing a problem. It might be nonstandard, but it's not misleading or ugly.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Tom958 on March 15, 2020, 12:53:31 PM
Quote from: 1 on March 15, 2020, 12:31:39 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on March 15, 2020, 12:30:08 PM
EXIT 25 MPH sign with diagonal arrow...WTF? SR 414 & I-4 in Maitland: https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6314186,-81.3850439,3a,19.9y,281.9h,94.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shHs5k9fURb7n0yg1ueu5kw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6314186,-81.3850439,3a,19.9y,281.9h,94.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shHs5k9fURb7n0yg1ueu5kw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

I'm not seeing a problem. It might be nonstandard, but it's not misleading or ugly.

It's on an arterial, with no gore sign. hence the arrow. Compare to this thing of beauty (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6326898,-81.3880438,3a,43.5y,214.98h,90.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCDGmr3DD_-XteVSXYJxrVQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) on the freeway side of the same interchange.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on March 21, 2020, 12:45:11 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on March 14, 2020, 09:02:34 PM
Full blown excavation for the new Brightline/Virgin Rail ROW is in progress for the new bridge over I-95 west of Cocoa.

Also ground clearing to connect the line east of I-95 with another bridge over FL-528 (Beachline) is also being built up.

Pilings for the I-95 overpass are currently being driven, while the bridge over the Beachline appears to be a dirt and tile approach.

I wonder how this is going to affect the current study for widening the Beachline between I-95 and the Port, including the replacement westbound bridge.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: edwaleni on March 23, 2020, 12:03:10 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on March 21, 2020, 12:45:11 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on March 14, 2020, 09:02:34 PM
Full blown excavation for the new Brightline/Virgin Rail ROW is in progress for the new bridge over I-95 west of Cocoa.

Also ground clearing to connect the line east of I-95 with another bridge over FL-528 (Beachline) is also being built up.

Pilings for the I-95 overpass are currently being driven, while the bridge over the Beachline appears to be a dirt and tile approach.

I wonder how this is going to affect the current study for widening the Beachline between I-95 and the Port, including the replacement westbound bridge.

Negligible.

The new Virgin Rail bridge over the Beachline will have a wider span that what the Beachline will need.

Also Virgin Rail will be on private ROW north of the Beachline going east until it reaches its home tracks in Cocoa.

The only ROW sharing under the long term lease was from west of I-95 to just east of the Orlando Airport along with some use of Deseret Ranch property where future exits are planned to be.

It is planned to support 128mph trains between I-95 and Orlando. FEC freights will move at night to a planned freight yard east of MCO.  FEC will pay Virgin for trackage rights to use it. It was one of the other revenue sources Virgin will have. 

Bringing bulk freight in and out of Port Canaveral to greater Orlando.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on March 25, 2020, 10:37:53 PM
Killarney, FL: Street sign indicates that the short section of road between SR 50 and SR 438 (if this is even still SR 438) is Deer Island Rd. However, the signs on the signal at SR 50 say "Oakland Av", as does Google
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 30, 2020, 08:26:49 AM
Are there still toll plazas approaching the Sunshine Skyway Bridge? Because I want to get some pictures of the northbound plaza. I was lucky enough to get some of the southbound plaza with all the sun glare.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on March 30, 2020, 09:39:04 AM
The COVID-19 pandemic has caused some interesting situations, especially in Florida where there is concern about people bringing the virus into the state (but don't worry about all the spring break students who may have taken it back home). People flying in to select airports from New York and New Jersey (one of the ground-zero locations for the outbreak) were being screened for the virus and told to shelter in place for 14 days (why not stop them getting on the plane instead of hanging them up at their destination?).

Checkpoints were also set up at the state line by the highway patrol on I-95 south and I-10 east to check where motorists were coming from to enter the state. It worked to a point until traffic on Sunday (March 29) backed up to St. Marys Rd. in Georgia and there was a several-hour delay to travelers. The checkpoint, in the truck weigh station, was shut down for 4 hours to be reconfigured to improve traffic flow. Even though the ramp to U.S. 17, exit 380, was shut down, motorists still dodged the barricades to avoid the traffic.

See https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/03/29/screening-checkpoint-at-florida-georgia-border-slows-traffic/

Bruce in Blacksburg (temporarily in Florida)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Beltway on March 30, 2020, 09:18:00 PM
This is the at-grade crossing of FL-404 and the Florida East Coast Railroad in Melbourne, with the current project being the reconstruction of a segment of FL-404 to pass over the railroad on a bridge.

The Pineda Causeway Extension bridge that began in 2018 has reached a level of completion that it is partially open over the Florida East Coast Railroad. Eventually, four lanes will be open on this section which is west of U.S 1. The project is financed by the Florida Department of Transportation.

9 photos here --

Pineda Causeway Extension Bridge Construction Over Railroad Tracks
https://www.floridatoday.com/picture-gallery/news/2020/03/30/pineda-causeway-extension-bridge-construction/2938027001/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on April 01, 2020, 12:13:34 AM
Re-painting of traffic signal poles from purple to black on US 192 in Kissimmee visible on GSV:
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.3185871,-81.4699738,3a,36y,265.78h,94.07t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sbIHdXK6juPk0xNr6CTIayQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DbIHdXK6juPk0xNr6CTIayQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D148.84662%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.3185871,-81.4699738,3a,36y,265.78h,94.07t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sbIHdXK6juPk0xNr6CTIayQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DbIHdXK6juPk0xNr6CTIayQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D148.84662%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 01, 2020, 09:19:28 PM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/49714019293/in/dateposted-public/
A nicely kept Black US 98 shield in Perry, FL.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 23, 2020, 04:58:42 PM
FL 50 is being widened from I-75 through US 301 in the Ridge Manor area.

http://www.fdottampabay.com/project/254/416732-4-52-01

I was hoping there might be some online video coverage of the progress of construction, but all I can see are a few pics of the reconstruction of the bridge over the Withlacoochee River. I guess I'll have to sneak a minor road trip to check the progress myself.

And I now have 2424 posts on this board, so to mark that...


(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Florida_24.svg/240px-Florida_24.svg.png)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 29, 2020, 01:08:47 PM
Looking through the latest GIS data from FDOT, CR 559A along Fred C. Jones Boulevard on the north side of Auburndale is now SR 559A.

The SLD's were updated recently too, showing both CR 559A with its old alignment (https://fdotewp1.dot.state.fl.us/slogis/blank.aspx?docId=107205), and Fred C. Jones Boulevard (https://fdotewp1.dot.state.fl.us/slogis/blank.aspx?docId=107206) as part of SR 559A.

Further north in Perry, the latest GIS data shows the realignment of U.S. 221 around Downtown Perry (the SLD (https://fdotewp1.dot.state.fl.us/slogis/blank.aspx?docId=100423) shows a revision date in October 2018). This includes reclassifying CR 359A as SR 359A. The SLD for SR 359A (https://fdotewp1.dot.state.fl.us/slogis/blank.aspx?docId=106640) was updated last year. However as of last month per roadman65's photos, US 221 is still signed along Jefferson Street north toward Downtown.

U.S. 221 overlaps with U.S. 27 west, then U.S. 19/27 north to SR 359A. SR 359A / Wright Road returns U.S. 221 to its original alignment.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mr. Matté on April 29, 2020, 06:26:36 PM
Quote from: Alex on April 29, 2020, 01:08:47 PM
Looking through the latest GIS data from FDOT, CR 559A along Fred C. Jones Boulevard on the north side of Auburndale is now SR 559A.

I assume the most current GIS data you have for Florida is from the TDA (tada!) site? (https://gis-fdot.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/state-roads-tda?geometry=-81.944%2C28.132%2C-81.658%2C28.185) I downloaded those files back on January 6 to do work on finishing up the maps and KMLs for Wikipedia in Florida but I guess now I have to go back and verify a lot of the work I had already done.

(And boo to FDOT because a lot of the county maps for the larger counties (https://www.fdot.gov/geospatial/countymap.shtm) date back to the 00s decade)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 29, 2020, 07:06:14 PM
Quote from: Alex on April 29, 2020, 01:08:47 PM
Looking through the latest GIS data from FDOT, CR 559A along Fred C. Jones Boulevard on the north side of Auburndale is now SR 559A.

The SLD's were updated recently too, showing both CR 559A with its old alignment (https://fdotewp1.dot.state.fl.us/slogis/blank.aspx?docId=107205), and Fred C. Jones Boulevard (https://fdotewp1.dot.state.fl.us/slogis/blank.aspx?docId=107206) as part of SR 559A.

Further north in Perry, the latest GIS data shows the realignment of U.S. 221 around Downtown Perry (the SLD (https://fdotewp1.dot.state.fl.us/slogis/blank.aspx?docId=100423) shows a revision date in October 2018). This includes reclassifying CR 359A as SR 359A. The SLD for SR 359A (https://fdotewp1.dot.state.fl.us/slogis/blank.aspx?docId=106640) was updated last year. However as of last month per roadman65's photos, US 221 is still signed along Jefferson Street north toward Downtown.

U.S. 221 overlaps with U.S. 27 west, then U.S. 19/27 north to SR 359A. SR 359A / Wright Road returns U.S. 221 to its original alignment.

I wonder how long it will take FDOT to resign US-221 there.  I honestly think they should have just shortened US-221 and end it @ US-19/27 & CR-359A.  Then sign FL-55 instead on the small remaining segment.

Anyways, great, another 'new' state route to keep an eye on for being posted (FL-559A) for the TM project....  :-D :ded:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 29, 2020, 08:49:28 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 29, 2020, 07:06:14 PM
Quote from: Alex on April 29, 2020, 01:08:47 PM
Looking through the latest GIS data from FDOT, CR 559A along Fred C. Jones Boulevard on the north side of Auburndale is now SR 559A.

The SLD's were updated recently too, showing both CR 559A with its old alignment (https://fdotewp1.dot.state.fl.us/slogis/blank.aspx?docId=107205), and Fred C. Jones Boulevard (https://fdotewp1.dot.state.fl.us/slogis/blank.aspx?docId=107206) as part of SR 559A.

Further north in Perry, the latest GIS data shows the realignment of U.S. 221 around Downtown Perry (the SLD (https://fdotewp1.dot.state.fl.us/slogis/blank.aspx?docId=100423) shows a revision date in October 2018). This includes reclassifying CR 359A as SR 359A. The SLD for SR 359A (https://fdotewp1.dot.state.fl.us/slogis/blank.aspx?docId=106640) was updated last year. However as of last month per roadman65's photos, US 221 is still signed along Jefferson Street north toward Downtown.

U.S. 221 overlaps with U.S. 27 west, then U.S. 19/27 north to SR 359A. SR 359A / Wright Road returns U.S. 221 to its original alignment.

I wonder how long it will take FDOT to resign US-221 there.  I honestly think they should have just shortened US-221 and end it @ US-19/27 & CR-359A.  Then sign FL-55 instead on the small remaining segment.

Anyways, great, another 'new' state route to keep an eye on for being posted (FL-559A) for the TM project....  :-D :ded:

Had Brent update his ARCMap at work (FDOT) with the latest on Monday. Not sure if that's what is on the public site.
I will pan around some more and look for other changes. Will post about them here if there are any.

I've inquired with FDOT Central Office about those out of date GHM's before (last in 2018). Don't know why it's taken so long to convert those old Microstation based maps for Hillsborough, Duval, etc. For now FDOT is focusing quite a bit on Covid19 and many employees are telecommuting. So I imagine updating the GHM's is low priority at the moment.

Agreed on US 221. Just truncate it to SR 359A and US 19/27. A similar rerouting, the relocation of US 441 in Lake City is also signed now. US 441 should just continue the overlap northward with US 41, removing the dog leg west on US 90.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 30, 2020, 09:40:34 AM
Found a few other changes for the recent FDOT state roads data:

State Road 99 was added to the GIS data from U.S. 90 (Mobile Highway) north 2.59 miles to Isaacs Lane. Accordingly, 6.20 miles of State Road 292 were dropped south of Gongora Drive.

SR 228 along Monroe Street, 0.39 miles from U.S. 1/90 (Main Street) to Washington Street was dropped as was SR 228 along Adams Street 0.32 miles from Main Street to Liberty Street. The Hart Bridge Expressway section of SR 228 from Adams Street east to a point just beyond Festival Park Avenue (1.18 miles) was also eliminated. This leaves just 0.24 miles of SR 228 within the wye interchange at U.S. 1 Alternate.

FWIW, here are the county road changes:

CR 216 dropped east of US 92/SR 687 (4th Street N) 1.80 miles to Bayou Grande Boulevard in St. Petersburg.
CR 184 shortened 0.20 miles west of 31st Street N in St. Petersburg.
CR 332 dropped from US 27/41 east 2.98 miles to the Marion County line.
CR 4013 eliminated from Center Avenue in Daytona Beach
CR 4042 eliminated from University Boulevard in Daytona Beach
CR 4001 dropped from University Boulevard northward 1.90 miles along Halifax Avenue
CR 399 11.09 miles west from CR 399 (Pensacola Beach Boulevard) to Fort Pickens State Park eliminated.
CR 359A switched to SR 359A in Perry.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on April 30, 2020, 11:57:29 AM
Quote from: Alex on April 30, 2020, 09:40:34 AM
Found a few other changes for the recent FDOT state roads data:

State Road 99 was added to the GIS data from U.S. 90 (Mobile Highway) north 2.59 miles to Isaacs Lane.

CR 359A switched to SR 359A in Perry.

The rare class of "downgrade and subsequent upgrades" on the FDOT state system over time.

Also, two -A routes becoming state roads and keeping their suffixes is also somewhat unusual for recent times.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 30, 2020, 11:24:27 PM
Quote from: Alex on April 30, 2020, 09:40:34 AM
Found a few other changes for the recent FDOT state roads data:

State Road 99 was added to the GIS data from U.S. 90 (Mobile Highway) north 2.59 miles to Isaacs Lane. Accordingly, 6.20 miles of State Road 292 were dropped south of Gongora Drive.

SR 228 along Monroe Street, 0.39 miles from U.S. 1/90 (Main Street) to Washington Street was dropped as was SR 228 along Adams Street 0.32 miles from Main Street to Liberty Street. The Hart Bridge Expressway section of SR 228 from Adams Street east to a point just beyond Festival Park Avenue (1.18 miles) was also eliminated. This leaves just 0.24 miles of SR 228 within the wye interchange at U.S. 1 Alternate.

They also added the Pecan Park segment of FL-243 in the GIS too.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on May 01, 2020, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 30, 2020, 11:24:27 PM
They also added the Pecan Park segment of FL-243 in the GIS too.

Good catch.

The gap in SR 429 north of Apopka was filled. The segment is 8.24 miles from SR 414 to the Lake County line.

SR 453 was also added: 0.86 miles in Orange County and 1.13 miles in Lake County.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jdb1234 on May 01, 2020, 10:57:39 AM
Quote from: Alex on April 30, 2020, 09:40:34 AM
Found a few other changes for the recent FDOT state roads data:

State Road 99 was added to the GIS data from U.S. 90 (Mobile Highway) north 2.59 miles to Isaacs Lane. Accordingly, 6.20 miles of State Road 292 were dropped south of Gongora Drive.


I noticed that the FL 292 signs were gone when I crossed into Florida back in February. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on May 02, 2020, 01:58:12 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on April 23, 2020, 04:58:42 PM
FL 50 is being widened from I-75 through US 301 in the Ridge Manor area.

http://www.fdottampabay.com/project/254/416732-4-52-01

I was hoping there might be some online video coverage of the progress of construction, but all I can see are a few pics of the reconstruction of the bridge over the Withlacoochee River. I guess I'll have to sneak a minor road trip to check the progress myself.

And I now have 2424 posts on this board, so to mark that...


(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Florida_24.svg/240px-Florida_24.svg.png)

My cousins in Brooksville and Dade City are going to be doing cartwheels over this one, they HATE 50 right now.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on May 03, 2020, 06:08:09 PM
Some observations from an 800 mile drive northwest to the Florida Panhandle and back yesterday to finish up sections of SR 59, 65, 71 and 73 I had not clinched.

The dumb replacement of the sign for Exit 275 (too lazy to post the photo from yesterday) (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3446666,-83.0883822,3a,41.1y,244.03h,92.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smReo8fV_PV6fqPUOUUA3zw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) on I-10 westbound now has no arrow. This was the old sign - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/010/i-010_wb_exit_275_06.jpg :pan:

The bridge taking SR 20 over the Apalachicola River westbound was restriped from two lanes to one (roadman65 may have posted about this previously). There is a partial shoulder on the left and not quite a full shoulder on the right now.

U.S. 221 is still signed the same through Perry.

Love how you can see the flashers at US 19/98 and CR 326 (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/019/us-019-098-s-at-cr-326-2.jpg) six miles out from Gulf Hammock at night.

Not sure when this changed, but the flashers for the hospital near Emerald Oaks Drive were upgraded to traffic lights - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/019/us-019-098-n-at-emerald-oaks-dr.jpg
With the addition of signals at CR 488's west end some time ago, there's now three successive signals heading south from the Cross Florida Greenway now.  :banghead:

The six lane construction of U.S. 19/98 heading south from Crystal River to Homosassa Springs has traffic shifted to the northbound lanes with one lane per direction and 35 mph / 45 mph speed limits.

There's construction along U.S. 98 southeast of CR 480 through the Sugarmill Woods area in Citrus. Nothing is posted on the FDOT D7 web site, so not sure what this is.

The overpasses for the Suncoast 2 extension appear to be completed. Heading south along SR 589, traffic is reduced to a single lane with a 25 mph speed limit through the old toll plaza still. The Suncoast Parkway switched to AET on February 1 of this year.

Checked on some of the Keys shields and other vintage signs as well:

CR 67

North after Three Rivers Road (old S-67A) in Carrabelle, gone - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/067/cr-067-n-at-av-k-2.jpg
South at US 98/319, still in place - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/067/cr-067-s-at-us-098-1.jpg

CR 69A

North at CR 194, removed, no signs for CR 194 posted in either direction now - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-069a-n-at-cr-194-1.jpg

CR 69A south at CR 274, replaced with a pentagon - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-069a-s-at-cr-274-1.jpg
CR 69A south at CR 549/SR 69, still there, and even moved onto a new post - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-069a-s-at-cr-549-1.jpg

CR 69A north at CR 165A, replaced with a single pentagon - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/jackson-co/cr-069a-n-at-cr-165a-1.jpg

CR 73A

north at CR 73B, still there - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-073a-n-at-cr-073b-1.jpg
south at CR 274, still there - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-073a-s-at-cr-274-1.jpg
CR 73B west at CR 73A, gone - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-073b-w-at-cr-073a-1.jpg

CR 164B

The junction shield was replaced with a pentagon - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/jackson-co/cr-164b-e-at-cr-165-1.jpg
The arrow shield was removed - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/jackson-co/cr-164b-e-at-cr-165-2.jpg

CR 165A

First shield northbound, replaced with a pentagon - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/jackson-co/cr-165a-n-at-cr-069a-1.jpg
North at CR 165, gone - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/jackson-co/cr-165a-n-at-cr-165-1.jpg

CR 194

West at CR 69A, replaced with a simple pentagon (no JCT, arrow) - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-194-w-at-cr-069a-2.jpg
gone - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-194-w-at-cr-069a-4.jpg

East after CR 69A, still there - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-194-e-at-cr-069a-1.jpg
East at SR 69, surprisingly in tact (didn't have this one previously photographed either).

CR 268

The keys shield in Quincy's days are numbered, as its hanging upside down now - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/gadsden-co/cr-268-s-at-us-090-1.jpg

CR 274

CR 274 at CR 73A
still posted, though the C and County overlays have faded to almost non existence - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-274-w-at-cr-073a-2.jpg
gone - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-274-w-at-cr-073a-4.jpg
replaced with a pentagon - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-274-w-at-cr-073a-5.jpg
East at SR 73, still there - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-274-e-at-cr-073-2.jpg
East after SR 73, replaced with a pentagon - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-274-e-at-fl-073-3.jpg

CR 274 west at SR 71
Replaced with a current SR marker. All of the traffic lights in the background, except for part of flasher, are gone due to Hurricane Michael. https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-274-w-at-fl-071-1.jpg

CR 274 west after SR 71
still there - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-274-e-at-fl-071-4.jpg

CR 274 east after SR 71
replaced with a pentagon - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-274-e-at-fl-071-4.jpg

All Keys shields at CR 69A were replaced with pentagons:
CR 274 eastbound - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-274-e-at-cr-069a-2.jpg
CR 274 westbound - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-274-w-at-cr-069a-1.jpg
https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-274-w-at-cr-069a-2.jpg

CR 275

North at CR 275A, replaced with a pentagon - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-275-n-at-cr-275a-2.jpg
CR 275 east at CR 275
gone - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-275a-e-at-cr-275-1.jpg

CR 372A

east at US 98 in Panacea, removed by the addition of a sidewalk - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/wakulla-co/otter-lake-rd-e-at-us-098.jpg

CR 376

still posted - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/franklin-co/cr-376-e-at-us-098-2.jpg

CR 549

The first S-549 shield northbound was replaced with a pentagon - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-549-n-at-fl-069-1.jpg
CR 549 north at CR 69A/SR 69, gone - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-549-n-at-cr-069a-1.jpg
what was left of this is also gone - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-549-n-at-cr-069a-3.jpg

CR 549 southbound, still there, 35 MPH speed limit sign posted below it - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-549-s-at-cr-069a-1.jpg
arrows for SR 69 at the south end also gone - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/calhoun-co/cr-549-s-at-fl-069-1.jpg

SR 71

Charlie Johns Street south in Blountstown, still in place (had the sidewalk added to this street been built along the southbound side, surely this would be gone) - https://www.aaroads.com/fl/071/charlie-johns-st-s-at-fl-071-1.jpg
Title: Florida State Road swap in Polk County
Post by: Alex on May 04, 2020, 09:42:10 AM
Thanks to some digging by our Southeast mod florida and Brent, the newly designated State Road 559A along Fred C. Jones Boulevard (CR 559A) in Aurburndale is part of a jurisdictional transfer between FDOT and Polk County. SR 559 south of Fred Jones Boulevard to SR 655 (Recker Highway) is dropped. CR 559A is now inventoried as SR 559A, and CR 655 along Berkley Road south from Fred Jones Boulevard to US 92 is now state maintained. Berkley Road south and Fred Jones Boulevard become part of a realigned SR 559 per a memorandum dated April 1, 2020.

The SLD showing Berkley Road (https://fdotewp1.dot.state.fl.us/slogis/blank.aspx?docId=107207) as part of the state highway system (SHS) was just revised on April 20.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 06, 2020, 04:39:28 AM
Quote from: Alex on April 29, 2020, 08:49:28 PM
A similar rerouting, the relocation of US 441 in Lake City is also signed now. US 441 should just continue the overlap northward with US 41, removing the dog leg west on US 90.

They finally have done that one?  Does that mean the 'Truck' signage for US-441 is now gone too?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on May 13, 2020, 09:06:20 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on May 06, 2020, 04:39:28 AM
Quote from: Alex on April 29, 2020, 08:49:28 PM
A similar rerouting, the relocation of US 441 in Lake City is also signed now. US 441 should just continue the overlap northward with US 41, removing the dog leg west on US 90.

They finally have done that one?  Does that mean the 'Truck' signage for US-441 is now gone too?

Have not posted photos on the site yet, but here's how it is signed now:
Northbound after SR 10A, there is signage posted for "Local Truck Route" and "No Thru Trucks", followed be a confirming marker. At US 90, a North US 441 <- shield references the dog leg west back to US 41.
US 90 west at US 41 has US 441 Truck Route <->
US 41/441 north after NW Madison St has confirming markers for both routes.

US 41/441 north at NW Bascom Norris Drive shows both SR 100A and U.S. 441 Truck Route turning east. Only a SR 100A shield is posted on Bascom Norris Drive after US 41, but US 441 is acknowledged rejoining its former route at the traffic light with N Marion Avenue.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 17, 2020, 08:19:00 PM
Quote from: Alex on May 13, 2020, 09:06:20 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on May 06, 2020, 04:39:28 AM
Quote from: Alex on April 29, 2020, 08:49:28 PM
A similar rerouting, the relocation of US 441 in Lake City is also signed now. US 441 should just continue the overlap northward with US 41, removing the dog leg west on US 90.

They finally have done that one?  Does that mean the 'Truck' signage for US-441 is now gone too?

Have not posted photos on the site yet, but here's how it is signed now:
Northbound after SR 10A, there is signage posted for "Local Truck Route" and "No Thru Trucks", followed be a confirming marker. At US 90, a North US 441 <- shield references the dog leg west back to US 41.
US 90 west at US 41 has US 441 Truck Route <->
US 41/441 north after NW Madison St has confirming markers for both routes.

US 41/441 north at NW Bascom Norris Drive shows both SR 100A and U.S. 441 Truck Route turning east. Only a SR 100A shield is posted on Bascom Norris Drive after US 41, but US 441 is acknowledged rejoining its former route at the traffic light with N Marion Avenue.

Would love to see that 100A shield, as that would give me a reason to add it to the usafl system for TM when I do the US-441 reroute.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on May 18, 2020, 12:09:51 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on May 17, 2020, 08:19:00 PM
Would love to see that 100A shield, as that would give me a reason to add it to the usafl system for TM when I do the US-441 reroute.

Ask and you shall receive.

US 41/441 north at SR 100A where they split:
(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/041/us-041-441-n-at-fl-100a-1.jpg)
(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/041/us-041-441-n-at-fl-100a-2.jpg)

SR 100A shield posted in place of US 441 north on Bascom Norris Drive east of US 41:
(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/441/us-441-fl-100a-n-at-us-041.jpg)

The rest are posted on a new page covering US 441 North from Lake City to Georgia (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/us-441-north-lake-city-fl/).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 19, 2020, 07:04:44 AM
Quote from: Alex on May 18, 2020, 12:09:51 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on May 17, 2020, 08:19:00 PM
Would love to see that 100A shield, as that would give me a reason to add it to the usafl system for TM when I do the US-441 reroute.

Ask and you shall receive.

US 41/441 north at SR 100A where they split:
(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/041/us-041-441-n-at-fl-100a-1.jpg)
(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/041/us-041-441-n-at-fl-100a-2.jpg)

SR 100A shield posted in place of US 441 north on Bascom Norris Drive east of US 41:
(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/441/us-441-fl-100a-n-at-us-041.jpg)

The rest are posted on a new page covering US 441 North from Lake City to Georgia (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/us-441-north-lake-city-fl/).

Just submitted the reroute of US-441 and the new FL-100A to TM.  Should be live on the site later tonight. ;)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on May 20, 2020, 03:53:11 AM
Quote from: Alex on April 30, 2020, 09:40:34 AM
Found a few other changes for the recent FDOT state roads data:

State Road 99 was added to the GIS data from U.S. 90 (Mobile Highway) north 2.59 miles to Isaacs Lane. Accordingly, 6.20 miles of State Road 292 were dropped south of Gongora Drive.

SR 228 along Monroe Street, 0.39 miles from U.S. 1/90 (Main Street) to Washington Street was dropped as was SR 228 along Adams Street 0.32 miles from Main Street to Liberty Street. The Hart Bridge Expressway section of SR 228 from Adams Street east to a point just beyond Festival Park Avenue (1.18 miles) was also eliminated. This leaves just 0.24 miles of SR 228 within the wye interchange at U.S. 1 Alternate.

FWIW, here are the county road changes:

CR 216 dropped east of US 92/SR 687 (4th Street N) 1.80 miles to Bayou Grande Boulevard in St. Petersburg.
CR 184 shortened 0.20 miles west of 31st Street N in St. Petersburg.
CR 332 dropped from US 27/41 east 2.98 miles to the Marion County line.
CR 4013 eliminated from Center Avenue in Daytona Beach
CR 4042 eliminated from University Boulevard in Daytona Beach
CR 4001 dropped from University Boulevard northward 1.90 miles along Halifax Avenue
CR 399 11.09 miles west from CR 399 (Pensacola Beach Boulevard) to Fort Pickens State Park eliminated.
CR 359A switched to SR 359A in Perry.

Do you know what happened to SR 850 since it was deleted and given to the county in 2018? Did it become CR 850?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on May 20, 2020, 10:29:50 AM
Quote from: emory on May 20, 2020, 03:53:11 AM
Do you know what happened to SR 850 since it was deleted and given to the county in 2018? Did it become CR 850?

Was dropped altogether by last October in the GIS Data. The same in last month's data. SR 811 stems 10.44 miles north and CR 809A extends 5.88 miles west from the former west end. FWIW, there was still a JCT SR 850 shield on SR 811 south, and a reassurance marker eastbound ahead of Jasmine Drive as of March 20. There is some road work leading east ahead of Jasmine Drive, so maybe that including removing that sign.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 02 Park Ave on May 20, 2020, 06:29:06 PM
Why is the northern portion of Route 315 designated 315C up in Clay County?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on May 21, 2020, 07:20:49 AM
Quote from: 02 Park Ave on May 20, 2020, 06:29:06 PM
Why is the northern portion of Route 315 designated 315C up in Clay County?

FDOT shows the segment as CR 315 on some maps, CR 315C on others. You're right, it seems as though the whole thing should be just "315"; the CRs 315-A and B are well north, over by Green Cove Springs. Some of the county/secondary routes use suffixes for alternates, connectors, and spurs but they didn't seem to have a pattern.

Old maps show it wasn't numbered; CR 315 was S-315 (Secondary), and was unpaved as of 1960. Shows up as SR 216 (https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~281130~5515450:Road-map-of-Florida?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:florida%20road%20map;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=75&trs=81) before the late-1940s renumbering. It's curiously signed as 315C in the field, as of 2014:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49778457776_92be334f0c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iQKBf1)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49778789142_bc79b56066_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iQMiKd)

Could be that the A was first, then they acquired the land and swapped 315 to that. Maybe 315C was similarly created, and they stopped caring about how it connected to the rest of the system. Put together, "315" is one of the longer county routes in the state!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on May 23, 2020, 10:16:48 AM
Drove 249 miles yesterday to check out the I-4/SR 408 interchange, which has five ramps opening per an announcement by FDOT and Governor DeSantis earlier this week (https://i4ultimate.com/governor-ron-desantis-announces-the-opening-of-the-i-4-s-r-408-interchange-ramps/). Traffic has been noticeably increasing throughout this week, and congestion has returned to the Downtown Interchange (I-4/275), Howard Frankland Bridge, I-75 at SR 56, etc.

The never ended repaving project (http://www.fdottampabay.com/project/255/436588-1-52-01) that started in October 2018 along I-4 from 50th Street east to McIntosh Road (Exit 14) resulted in "replaced in kind" sign installs.

Did not get a photo, but the half mile sign for Orient Road was replaced (should have been moved to an overhead): https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-e-exit-006-01.jpg

There's even less padding between the text and border on the replacement of the signs for McIntosh Road:
https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-e-exit-014-05.jpg
https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-e-exit-014-06.jpg

Heading westbound, the original sign plans were dusted off, as Ybor City is now referenced twice! The Tampa - 13 mile sign (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-w-exit-010-03.jpg) now has Ybor City - 12. Because YBor City was reinstituted as its own city...
The assembly further west was carbon copied: https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-w-exit-009-03.jpg

The one mile sign for Exit 10 was installed in 2016 (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-w-exit-010-05.jpg), but apparently already needed to be replaced. The new panel is narrower with condensed font for Thonotosassa and Mango off centered.

C. Fred Jones Boulevard is still signed as CR 559A and no other changes have been made for the approved SR 559 realignment. A new traffic light is being installed for the massive distribution center built along the north side. One lane is closed for additional grading and work for the site along CR 559A westbound as well. There are inanely placed TRUCK ROUTE banners on all of the shields.

Took SR 559 south to Downtown Auburndale and U.S. 92. It is still posted.

Drove U.S. 92 east to Lake Alfred for the first time in over decade so I can replace a remaining page on southeastroads.com (http://www.southeastroads.com/us-017nb_fl.html). There is a reassurance marker for CR 555 on the old alignment along S Buena Vista Drive. It was date stamped January 2019 no less.

Clinched CR 547 leading north from Davenport. There are shields for it at Ernie Caldwell Boulevard. North of that arterial, the road varies between a rural two lane roadway and stretches of widened roadway at subdivisions built.

SR 538 trailblazers are posted on US 17/92 at Ronald Reagan Parkway (former Kinnie Harmon Road). No signs for CR 54 though. The sprawl at the intersection continues with two self storage facilities coming soon within the southeast quadrant of the intersection. SR 538 has begin and end shields just past the intersection with Sienna Boulevard.

The 2.215 mile long widening (http://www.cflroads.com/project/239714-1/SR_600_US_17-92_from_West_of_Poinciana_Boulevard_to_CR_535) of US 17/92 from west of Poinciana Boulevard to Ham Brown Road is dragging on toward the east. While the new southbound roadway is partially in place west of Poinciana Boulevard, there is still a lot of remaining grading work to the east. Started in February 2019, work extends until Spring 2022. Way too long IMO.

No signs of construction for the planned flyover from US 17/92 south to Ham Brown Road (unsigned CR 535) either. Traffic is definitely returning to Florida, as the turn lane for Poinciana was backed up. The project (http://www.cflroads.com/project/418403-3/John_Young_Parkway_from_Pleasant_Hill_Road_to_Portage_Street) is still listed in the design phase on the FDOT D5 site.

Heading into Kissimmee, traffic sucked. Signage for US 17/92 and the Truck route for US 17/92 is inconsistent. There's a set of trailblazers for the truck route at the off-ramp for Osceola Parkway from John Young Parkway northbound. The amount of development added by the SPUI there in the last five years is insane. This includes a massive apartment complex abutting the west side built in 2017-18.

Osceola Parkway traffic was terrible. The already congested intersection with Orange Avenue is getting more growth with the addition of "Renaissance Park II". The area development is fueled by the nearby Sunrail station.

Widening of Florida's Turnpike north from Osceola Parkway to SR 528 and US 17/92/441 still has a ways to go. The last of the flyovers at SR 417 are mostly built however. A pair of new overheads are up for Exit 254. These omit "Orange Blossom Trail" and instead display shields for SR 528, US 17/92/441 and an Airport trailblazer similar to https://www.aaroads.com/fl/091/fl-tpk-n-exit-254-02.jpg This works because, everyone refers to roads solely by number in Orlando...

Some of the piers for the flyover that will directly link I-4 west with Florida's Turnpike are in place. This is being built as part of an expansion project (http://floridasturnpike.com/content/downloads/Current%20Project%20Descriptions/FACT%20SHEET%20-%20I-4%20Direct%20Connect%20Ramps.pdf) along the Turnpike from SR 528 northward to Interstate 4. Work extends to 2022.

Took I-4 into Orlando but bailed at John Young Parkway (CR 423) due to two lanes being blocked further north and the subsequent gridlock. Navigated along the street grid to check out the I-4/SR 408 interchange from below. There's still some work ongoing along the flyover from SR 408 west to I-4 west and bridge painting to be done on other ramps.

Still SR 527 shields for Orange Avenue / Rosalind Avenue on Anderson Street east and South Street west. The uncovered East-West Expressway trailblazer on Orange Avenue northbound is still in place as well.

US 17/92-SR 50 (Colonial Drive) at I-4 is still a mess. Traffic was backed up eastbound leading  to the signal with Hughey Avenue.

New Clearview signage is in place along I-4 westbound for SR 408 and Anderson Street. The kerning is awful on the Anderson Street overhead.

All signs on SR 408 westbound were replaced in kind and use Clearview font. Of course, CR 431 is still shown for Pine Hills Road, CR 526 for Old Winter Garden Road, etc...

The lone shield for CR 438 along Maguire Road southbound is still in place.

Replacement of the SR 33 bridge (http://www.cflroads.com/project/433860-1/SR_33_over_Green_Swamp_Bridge_110002) over Green Swamp south of CR 561 results in one lane of traffic controlled by signals. Was a surprising amount of truck traffic using SR 33 and several were queued up at the temporary traffic lights.

No confirming marker for CR 464 east of SR 33.

Construction on SR 33 had one lane of traffic for the addition of turns lanes for yet another distribution center between Polk City and I-4. Further southwest, the signal at University Boulevard is now fully operational. Heading into Lakeland, some grading work is underway on the curve southwest of SR 659. Widening of SR 33 (http://swflroads.com/sr33/) is listed as in the design phase on the D1 web site, so maybe its for something else. There's a wall of apartment buildings built along the south side of SR 33 now along this stretch too.

The eastern leg of CR 582 along Griffin Road and Florida Avenue in Lakeland is not signed.

A single head signal was recently added in each direction at the Fletcher Avenue (unsigned CR 582A) intersections with Morris Bridge Road, Lettuce Lake Parkway and 56th Street. What is their purpose?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 23, 2020, 09:08:13 PM
I was on SR 121 from Union County Road 125 north into GA.  I noticed no reassurance shields along the way.  The first shield north of CR 125 is at I-10. 

Then work is progressing along the extension of SR 23 around Green Cove Springs.  The future overpass over SR 16 is going to be super wide.  I assume it will become a SPUI.

SR 19 has so many random shields north of SR 40 and the defunct Cross Florida Barge Canal is still signed along it.

The end of SR 429 at its north terminus is now at that empty diamond interchange for CR 46A.  The ramps are open NB with barricades bumping you off while workers realign the freeway to connect to its extension, but the half mile warning guide was not changed to reflect the new pattern.  The ramp now departs at the ALL TRAFFIC MUST EXIT 1/2 MILE guide for SR 46 to Mt Plymouth and Sorrento.

They are still working on the US 441 and SR 46 intersection but signs are well in place.




Just to post some observations on a road trip I did today.


BTW, the Welcome Center is closed on I-95 entering Florida, but a checkpoint is there instead.  SR 121 at MaClenny is not secured so if you want a way into our state, head west on GA 40 to GA 121 through the area of Georgia that is south of the rest of the state border as the GA- FL line on SR 121 is 8 miles north of I-10 still west of Jacksonville.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Verlanka on May 24, 2020, 05:28:03 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 23, 2020, 09:08:13 PM
BTW, the Welcome Center is closed on I-95 entering Florida, but a checkpoint is there instead.  SR 121 at MaClenny is not secured so if you want a way into our state, head west on GA 40 to GA 121 through the area of Georgia that is south of the rest of the state border as the GA- FL line on SR 121 is 8 miles north of I-10 still west of Jacksonville.
So I-95 heading into the state is under security. Or am I reading it wrong?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on May 24, 2020, 09:20:35 AM
Quote from: Verlanka on May 24, 2020, 05:28:03 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 23, 2020, 09:08:13 PM
BTW, the Welcome Center is closed on I-95 entering Florida, but a checkpoint is there instead.  SR 121 at MaClenny is not secured so if you want a way into our state, head west on GA 40 to GA 121 through the area of Georgia that is south of the rest of the state border as the GA- FL line on SR 121 is 8 miles north of I-10 still west of Jacksonville.
So I-95 heading into the state is under security. Or am I reading it wrong?

There are COVID19 check points on both I-95 south and I-10 east.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 24, 2020, 11:05:37 AM
US 17 is a good way also to bypass it all. Exit at 380 and head south to Yulee and re-enter from SR 200 and A1A.

https://www.claytodayonline.com/stories/construction-of-new-shands-bridge-to-start-a-year-early,20184

Another article in the Shands Bridge replacement project.

As SR 23 is currently underway near Green Cove Springs, its eminant to get the river crossing upgraded to handle a freeway load.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on May 24, 2020, 08:21:03 PM
Quote from: Alex on May 23, 2020, 10:16:48 AM
Drove 249 miles yesterday to check out the I-4/SR 408 interchange, which has five ramps opening per an announcement by FDOT and Governor DeSantis earlier this week (https://i4ultimate.com/governor-ron-desantis-announces-the-opening-of-the-i-4-s-r-408-interchange-ramps/). Traffic has been noticeably increasing throughout this week, and congestion has returned to the Downtown Interchange (I-4/275), Howard Frankland Bridge, I-75 at SR 56, etc.

The never ended repaving project (http://www.fdottampabay.com/project/255/436588-1-52-01) that started in October 2018 along I-4 from 50th Street east to McIntosh Road (Exit 14) resulted in "replaced in kind" sign installs.

Did not get a photo, but the half mile sign for Orient Road was replaced (should have been moved to an overhead): https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-e-exit-006-01.jpg

There's even less padding between the text and border on the replacement of the signs for McIntosh Road:
https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-e-exit-014-05.jpg
https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-e-exit-014-06.jpg

Heading westbound, the original sign plans were dusted off, as Ybor City is now referenced twice! The Tampa - 13 mile sign (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-w-exit-010-03.jpg) now has Ybor City - 12. Because YBor City was reinstituted as its own city...
The assembly further west was carbon copied: https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-w-exit-009-03.jpg

The one mile sign for Exit 10 was installed in 2016 (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-w-exit-010-05.jpg), but apparently already needed to be replaced. The new panel is narrower with condensed font for Thonotosassa and Mango off centered.

C. Fred Jones Boulevard is still signed as CR 559A and no other changes have been made for the approved SR 559 realignment. A new traffic light is being installed for the massive distribution center built along the north side. One lane is closed for additional grading and work for the site along CR 559A westbound as well. There are inanely placed TRUCK ROUTE banners on all of the shields.

Took SR 559 south to Downtown Auburndale and U.S. 92. It is still posted.

Drove U.S. 92 east to Lake Alfred for the first time in over decade so I can replace a remaining page on southeastroads.com (http://www.southeastroads.com/us-017nb_fl.html). There is a reassurance marker for CR 555 on the old alignment along S Buena Vista Drive. It was date stamped January 2019 no less.

Clinched CR 547 leading north from Davenport. There are shields for it at Ernie Caldwell Boulevard. North of that arterial, the road varies between a rural two lane roadway and stretches of widened roadway at subdivisions built.

SR 538 trailblazers are posted on US 17/92 at Ronald Reagan Parkway (former Kinnie Harmon Road). No signs for CR 54 though. The sprawl at the intersection continues with two self storage facilities coming soon within the southeast quadrant of the intersection. SR 538 has begin and end shields just past the intersection with Sienna Boulevard.

The 2.215 mile long widening (http://www.cflroads.com/project/239714-1/SR_600_US_17-92_from_West_of_Poinciana_Boulevard_to_CR_535) of US 17/92 from west of Poinciana Boulevard to Ham Brown Road is dragging on toward the east. While the new southbound roadway is partially in place west of Poinciana Boulevard, there is still a lot of remaining grading work to the east. Started in February 2019, work extends until Spring 2022. Way too long IMO.

No signs of construction for the planned flyover from US 17/92 south to Ham Brown Road (unsigned CR 535) either. Traffic is definitely returning to Florida, as the turn lane for Poinciana was backed up. The project (http://www.cflroads.com/project/418403-3/John_Young_Parkway_from_Pleasant_Hill_Road_to_Portage_Street) is still listed in the design phase on the FDOT D5 site.

Heading into Kissimmee, traffic sucked. Signage for US 17/92 and the Truck route for US 17/92 is inconsistent. There's a set of trailblazers for the truck route at the off-ramp for Osceola Parkway from John Young Parkway northbound. The amount of development added by the SPUI there in the last five years is insane. This includes a massive apartment complex abutting the west side built in 2017-18.

Osceola Parkway traffic was terrible. The already congested intersection with Orange Avenue is getting more growth with the addition of "Renaissance Park II". The area development is fueled by the nearby Sunrail station.

Widening of Florida's Turnpike north from Osceola Parkway to SR 528 and US 17/92/441 still has a ways to go. The last of the flyovers at SR 417 are mostly built however. A pair of new overheads are up for Exit 254. These omit "Orange Blossom Trail" and instead display shields for SR 528, US 17/92/441 and an Airport trailblazer similar to https://www.aaroads.com/fl/091/fl-tpk-n-exit-254-02.jpg This works because, everyone refers to roads solely by number in Orlando...

Some of the piers for the flyover that will directly link I-4 west with Florida's Turnpike are in place. This is being built as part of an expansion project (http://floridasturnpike.com/content/downloads/Current%20Project%20Descriptions/FACT%20SHEET%20-%20I-4%20Direct%20Connect%20Ramps.pdf) along the Turnpike from SR 528 northward to Interstate 4. Work extends to 2022.

Took I-4 into Orlando but bailed at John Young Parkway (CR 423) due to two lanes being blocked further north and the subsequent gridlock. Navigated along the street grid to check out the I-4/SR 408 interchange from below. There's still some work ongoing along the flyover from SR 408 west to I-4 west and bridge painting to be done on other ramps.

Still SR 527 shields for Orange Avenue / Rosalind Avenue on Anderson Street east and South Street west. The uncovered East-West Expressway trailblazer on Orange Avenue northbound is still in place as well.

US 17/92-SR 50 (Colonial Drive) at I-4 is still a mess. Traffic was backed up eastbound leading  to the signal with Hughey Avenue.

New Clearview signage is in place along I-4 westbound for SR 408 and Anderson Street. The kerning is awful on the Anderson Street overhead.

All signs on SR 408 westbound were replaced in kind and use Clearview font. Of course, CR 431 is still shown for Pine Hills Road, CR 526 for Old Winter Garden Road, etc...

The lone shield for CR 438 along Maguire Road southbound is still in place.

Replacement of the SR 33 bridge (http://www.cflroads.com/project/433860-1/SR_33_over_Green_Swamp_Bridge_110002) over Green Swamp south of CR 561 results in one lane of traffic controlled by signals. Was a surprising amount of truck traffic using SR 33 and several were queued up at the temporary traffic lights.

No confirming marker for CR 464 east of SR 33.

Construction on SR 33 had one lane of traffic for the addition of turns lanes for yet another distribution center between Polk City and I-4. Further southwest, the signal at University Boulevard is now fully operational. Heading into Lakeland, some grading work is underway on the curve southwest of SR 659. Widening of SR 33 (http://swflroads.com/sr33/) is listed as in the design phase on the D1 web site, so maybe its for something else. There's a wall of apartment buildings built along the south side of SR 33 now along this stretch too.

The eastern leg of CR 582 along Griffin Road and Florida Avenue in Lakeland is not signed.

A single head signal was recently added in each direction at the Fletcher Avenue (unsigned CR 582A) intersections with Morris Bridge Road, Lettuce Lake Parkway and 56th Street. What is their purpose?

"The lone shield for CR 438 along Maguire Road southbound is still in place." Maguire Rd in Ocoee is CR 439, not 438. Otherwise, thanks for the update
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on May 26, 2020, 11:15:23 AM
Quote from: Alex on May 24, 2020, 09:20:35 AM
Quote from: Verlanka on May 24, 2020, 05:28:03 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 23, 2020, 09:08:13 PM
BTW, the Welcome Center is closed on I-95 entering Florida, but a checkpoint is there instead.  SR 121 at MaClenny is not secured so if you want a way into our state, head west on GA 40 to GA 121 through the area of Georgia that is south of the rest of the state border as the GA- FL line on SR 121 is 8 miles north of I-10 still west of Jacksonville.
So I-95 heading into the state is under security. Or am I reading it wrong?

There are COVID19 check points on both I-95 south and I-10 east.

The checkpoints were set up back at the end of March when people were fleeing from New York, New Jersey, and New Orleans as the Coronavirus was rapidly spreading. The I-95 checkpoint was initially botched, backing up traffic into Georgia, so after a day of operation, it was shut down and reconfigured. When we passed by going north on April 5, traffic was flowing much better. The ramp for U.S. 17 at exit 380 was closed, the welcome center was closed, and traffic moved to a single lane approaching the (closed) truck weigh/inspection station. Trucks were passed on through while all other traffic was routed off the highway. There was a heavy police presence should someone decide they didn't need to get checked and tried to bypass the checkpoint. Per news reports, a quick question about origin (and license plate look for a New York or New Jersey plate) determined if travelers moved on or were shuffled to another area for a more in-depth exam. Per the news, people were being told to quarantine themselves for 14 days at their destination before venturing out in public (there was no mention as to how this would be monitored). There is also the issue of those who could read a map (and were aware of the checkpoint) and picked up U.S. 17 in Kingsland and took that to Yulee to get around the checkpoint. It will be interesting to see if this is still in effect when we head back to Apollo Beach in mid-June to see our new grandson.

Bruce in Blacksburg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jim on May 26, 2020, 12:23:44 PM
We entered Florida last week and went through the checkpoint on I-95.  With Massachusetts plates on a rental car, we were asked where traveling from and answered honestly New York.  That got us a 5-minite side trip to fill out a form and get additional information.  When I said I'd checked the information on the web site and knew what the rules were, we were quickly moved through.  The whole process delayed us under 10 minutes.  As I understand it, the quarantine order really only applied to NYC metro area residents ("Tri State Area") and Louisiana, and we came from well outside areas of any significant disease rates.  We've also been very good about limiting our contacts when at home since mid-March, being able to work at home.  Even so, we've been very cautious here and have had only limited interaction with others, keeping our distance, and almost exclusively when outdoors.  We would be taking the same precautions at this point regardless of where we are and of any government orders.  No one has followed up with us nor do I expect anyone will.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jaxrunner on May 26, 2020, 03:02:32 PM
I live the Jacksonville FL area I still notice that the new highway SR 9B hasn't been signed as I 795 yet. I would have thought with with the 2 mile extension into St John's County it would have been signed two years ago. It is a good road but it just randomly ends past the new town center. I suppose it's good for the developers. Hopefully it will tie into the first coast expressway when it's built.

I feel JTB should be given an interstate number. It's really good road and the beaches would be served well by an interstate designation. Perhaps I 995 or maybe even an eastern extension for Interstate 10.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on May 26, 2020, 06:23:13 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on May 24, 2020, 08:21:03 PM
"The lone shield for CR 438 along Maguire Road southbound is still in place." Maguire Rd in Ocoee is CR 439, not 438. Otherwise, thanks for the update

Whoops, obviously meant CR 439. The shield shot from last week:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/orange-co/cr-439-s-at-fl-050.jpg)

Quote from: Jaxrunner on May 26, 2020, 03:02:32 PM
I live the Jacksonville FL area I still notice that the new highway SR 9B hasn't been signed as I 795 yet. I would have thought with with the 2 mile extension into St John's County it would have been signed two years ago. It is a good road but it just randomly ends past the new town center. I suppose it's good for the developers. Hopefully it will tie into the first coast expressway when it's built.

SR 9B is fully complete. CR 2209 will be extended south to the First Coast Expressway (SR 23) as a continuation of the at-grade arterial that it is.

I-795 will not be signed until FHWA gets around to approving it. Flaroads (Brent) emailed D2 about it in February and was told "check back Next Spring".

Posted the photos shot on US 17/92 from Auburndale to Kissimmee (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/us-017-092-north-kissimmee-fl/) over the weekend. One thing I noticed at the cloverleaf interchange with US 27:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/10_26_05_20_6_05_22.jpeg)

Despite not being the best route to Ocala from Haines City in decades, let's just keep replacing it in kind.  :ded:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on May 29, 2020, 01:26:54 AM
North Florida Trip May 14 and May 17, 2020

   I had to take a trip up to the Florida Panhandle for personal reasons (older brother passed away), so I thought I'd give some observations on my trip with eyes that hadn't done any travelling up that way in four years; some of the projects quite pleasing with a few WTF's in the mix, along with some general observations.
   Trip length: approximately 360 miles
   Trip To/From: Port St. John, FL to Bascom, FL

May 14, 2020, 3 PM EDT
Trip North/West
Port St. John Pkwy/I-95/I-295/I-10/US 90/FL 71/FL 167
Sunny to Partly Cloudy

I-95/I-4/US 92/FL 400 Interchange Daytona: ME LIKEY FDOT. It's well designed to insure that the traffic entering/exiting from I-4, US 92 and FL 400 are separated from the main drag and it's a noticeable speedup in the trip. Well lit, a bit swoopy but that's not a problem here.

Accidental 9B: You would think I would have known better than this screwup, but I got so fixated on the I-295 part of the BGS that I somehow didn't notice the 9B sign until I was past the gore point...and then I realized I'd screwed up. Well...looks like I'm going to get a good look at 9B up to Philips Highway! In truth, it's done really well and if I were travelling through JAX, this is the route you need to take (and keeps you from having to use that loop ramp SB at the I-95/295 interchange). Not thrilled at the wait time for the light at US 1 coming off, it's way too long (over three minutes).

I-295 Toll Lanes: WTF FDOT? Oh, no...no, no, no. What possessed you to put HOT lanes on the Beltway and take away a free lane in each direction to do that? The damn highway was already a chokepoint with four lanes due to the traffic coming on and off both Old St. Augustine Road and San Jose Boulevard, plus the through traffic heading for I-10 WB or I-95 SB, but you idiots took away a FREE LANE to have two HOT lanes in each direction and three free? I won't even describe the cluster that stretch was, the traffic was badly backing up at both interchanges and it didn't look like the HOT lanes were getting a ton of traffic at all. And you're going to extend this postpartum abortion across the Buckman. BAD FDOT. BAD!

Blanding/Collins Extension: This was in the works the last time I came up this way and I knew it would be needed once they built the ramp extension for Blanding Blvd. It looks like the interchange was handling the rush hour traffic well. A well-executed and well-done C/D upgrade for I-295.

Hammond Road/Marietta Interchange: I was so involved trying to merge out of the loop ramp from I-295 to I-10 Westbound (Earth to FDOT...FLYOVER!) that I nearly didn't realize that I was driving past the old Marietta off-ramp westbound and was blindsided by the Hammond Road interchange. For those who haven't been in the area, it made the merge onto I-10 from I-295 NB challenging because the Marietta RIRO was literally RIGHT THERE once the ramp from I-295 SB merged in. There used to be a convenience store right there on the corner where the ramps were located, I stopped for gas there a couple of times. It was well done and badly needed for the area, two lanes on and off from the east side works quite well.

Capital Circle NW Interchange: That actually caught me by surprise as I knew that FDOT and the county was working on widening Capital Circle there, but they didn't do the actual interchange for some time...but now they've cleaned it up pretty well with two lane ramps both coming off and on. The BGS's were a bit disappointing as they ham-fisted the "International"  add-on to the signs; hopefully they will clean that up in the future.

Elapsed Time: 5 Hours 35 Minutes

May 17, 2020, 4:10 PM EDT
Trip South/East
FL 167/FL 71/US 90/I-10/I-95/FL 407
Spot Rain Showers to Partly Sunny

I-10/I-95 Add-On (Lake City ramp widening): I decided not to take I-295 SB on my return home and cut through downtown JAX and see the second reconstruction of the I-95/Fuller Warren/US 1 interchanges, I always believed the I-10/I-95 reconstruction was masterful, so I was caught by surprise when I saw the construction going on there and realized when I saw the pylons that they were widening the I-95 NB to I-10 WB Lake City flyover...GOOD. I knew it was only a matter of time before they were forced to widen it, but widen it they are and it's a good thing.

Fuller Warren add-on: The second thing that blindsided me was the lane add-ons for the Fuller Warren, which absolutely blew me away. Not that they didn't need it-even with eight lanes it's a diva especially during rush hours-but dayum, guys...someone is making sure JAX catches up with other metro areas in getting their downtown interstates in order.

US 1-90/I-95 Second Reconstruction: Jaw Drop. Drool. Magnificent three-to-five lane local/express braided ribbons (I had to go back in Google Satellite to see them all since I was rolling at the time and trying to take it all in). They built Space Mountain. It's absolutely sweet. I think they fixed it this time. GOOD ON YOU FDOT!

I-95/FL 202 Flyover: Nearly missed it, but it was worth it, another badly needed reconstruction that looks like it turned out well, and that loop ramp to I-95 SB makes all the difference.

Elapsed Time: 5 Hours 45 Minutes

General

FL 23 BGS: EB is fine, WB...WHY? God I wish I'd thought to mount my phone to record it (that's not gonna happen again), but it's a mishmash of text and symbols that a third grader with Visio could have done better. No, FDOT, you can't slop like that, dammit; Capital Circle was bad enough.

BusyBee's in Greenville and Lake City: I've read mentions of BusyBee's here on the forum and apparently their footprint is growing, they've built two locations along I-10 and have billboards along I-10 both ways, so they're playing it up.

Traffic: Thursday, I-95 from PSJ to Daytona was flowing well, once I got north of Daytona that went away quickly. Traffic was running roughly 70-75-80 with a small handful running 80+, but the ones running in the left lane are running 70-75 and not paying attention to the trains they're building up behind them until someone whips past them in the suicide lane, then they get a clue. Once you got them out of the way you could run 80 and most folks would stay put. I-295 was a mess until you got past the Buckman, then it did manage to smooth out somewhat, though there were a few who were clearly not paying attention to what they were doing. I-10, well...if you love getting caught behind a rig attempting to pass another rig, you'll love this road! Otherwise, once you cleared the rigs you had clear sailing through Tallahassee. Not much of a FHP presence.

Sunday, basically a reverse of Thursday though the ride to downtown Jax on I-10 was smooth and I-95 was flowing freely. FHP's were out in force between Tallahassee and Lake City, two EB and one westbound, the second one EB had two cars on them.

Effects of Hurricane: Just as an aside, I saw the effects of Hurricane Michael on my family farm (which is 65 miles north of Panama City) and it wasn't good. Our old barn had collapsed, my grandmother's clapboard home was still standing but it was a mess and badly overgrown, when they regraded the road after the storm it effectively blocked car access to the yard. I couldn't get to the back of the house because I wasn't exactly prepared (and those gnats were effing with me). One of my late uncles had a trailer on the corner where the road ended in a T intersection, it's been abandoned for 20 years but it was always a marker to use when you reached the farm...and I missed it, the undergrowth had sprung up that badly. I managed to find the old driveway leading up to his trailer and it was still there...how about that. My aunt tells me that the farm is going to clean it up, so I am hopeful.

That ends my report. May ye be edified and amused.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: RoadPelican on May 30, 2020, 12:13:41 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on May 29, 2020, 01:26:54 AM
North Florida Trip May 14 and May 17, 2020

   I had to take a trip up to the Florida Panhandle for personal reasons (older brother passed away), so I thought I'd give some observations on my trip with eyes that hadn't done any travelling up that way in four years; some of the projects quite pleasing with a few WTF's in the mix, along with some general observations.
   Trip length: approximately 360 miles
   Trip To/From: Port St. John, FL to Bascom, FL

May 14, 2020, 3 PM EDT
Trip North/West
Port St. John Pkwy/I-95/I-295/I-10/US 90/FL 71/FL 167
Sunny to Partly Cloudy

I-95/I-4/US 92/FL 400 Interchange Daytona: ME LIKEY FDOT. It's well designed to insure that the traffic entering/exiting from I-4, US 92 and FL 400 are separated from the main drag and it's a noticeable speedup in the trip. Well lit, a bit swoopy but that's not a problem here.

Accidental 9B: You would think I would have known better than this screwup, but I got so fixated on the I-295 part of the BGS that I somehow didn't notice the 9B sign until I was past the gore point...and then I realized I'd screwed up. Well...looks like I'm going to get a good look at 9B up to Philips Highway! In truth, it's done really well and if I were travelling through JAX, this is the route you need to take (and keeps you from having to use that loop ramp SB at the I-95/295 interchange). Not thrilled at the wait time for the light at US 1 coming off, it's way too long (over three minutes).

I-295 Toll Lanes: WTF FDOT? Oh, no...no, no, no. What possessed you to put HOT lanes on the Beltway and take away a free lane in each direction to do that? The damn highway was already a chokepoint with four lanes due to the traffic coming on and off both Old St. Augustine Road and San Jose Boulevard, plus the through traffic heading for I-10 WB or I-95 SB, but you idiots took away a FREE LANE to have two HOT lanes in each direction and three free? I won't even describe the cluster that stretch was, the traffic was badly backing up at both interchanges and it didn't look like the HOT lanes were getting a ton of traffic at all. And you're going to extend this postpartum abortion across the Buckman. BAD FDOT. BAD!

Blanding/Collins Extension: This was in the works the last time I came up this way and I knew it would be needed once they built the ramp extension for Blanding Blvd. It looks like the interchange was handling the rush hour traffic well. A well-executed and well-done C/D upgrade for I-295.

Hammond Road/Marietta Interchange: I was so involved trying to merge out of the loop ramp from I-295 to I-10 Westbound (Earth to FDOT...FLYOVER!) that I nearly didn't realize that I was driving past the old Marietta off-ramp westbound and was blindsided by the Hammond Road interchange. For those who haven't been in the area, it made the merge onto I-10 from I-295 NB challenging because the Marietta RIRO was literally RIGHT THERE once the ramp from I-295 SB merged in. There used to be a convenience store right there on the corner where the ramps were located, I stopped for gas there a couple of times. It was well done and badly needed for the area, two lanes on and off from the east side works quite well.

Capital Circle NW Interchange: That actually caught me by surprise as I knew that FDOT and the county was working on widening Capital Circle there, but they didn't do the actual interchange for some time...but now they've cleaned it up pretty well with two lane ramps both coming off and on. The BGS's were a bit disappointing as they ham-fisted the "International"  add-on to the signs; hopefully they will clean that up in the future.

Elapsed Time: 5 Hours 35 Minutes

May 17, 2020, 4:10 PM EDT
Trip South/East
FL 167/FL 71/US 90/I-10/I-95/FL 407
Spot Rain Showers to Partly Sunny

I-10/I-95 Add-On (Lake City ramp widening): I decided not to take I-295 SB on my return home and cut through downtown JAX and see the second reconstruction of the I-95/Fuller Warren/US 1 interchanges, I always believed the I-10/I-95 reconstruction was masterful, so I was caught by surprise when I saw the construction going on there and realized when I saw the pylons that they were widening the I-95 NB to I-10 WB Lake City flyover...GOOD. I knew it was only a matter of time before they were forced to widen it, but widen it they are and it's a good thing.

Fuller Warren add-on: The second thing that blindsided me was the lane add-ons for the Fuller Warren, which absolutely blew me away. Not that they didn't need it-even with eight lanes it's a diva especially during rush hours-but dayum, guys...someone is making sure JAX catches up with other metro areas in getting their downtown interstates in order.

US 1-90/I-95 Second Reconstruction: Jaw Drop. Drool. Magnificent three-to-five lane local/express braided ribbons (I had to go back in Google Satellite to see them all since I was rolling at the time and trying to take it all in). They built Space Mountain. It's absolutely sweet. I think they fixed it this time. GOOD ON YOU FDOT!

I-95/FL 202 Flyover: Nearly missed it, but it was worth it, another badly needed reconstruction that looks like it turned out well, and that loop ramp to I-95 SB makes all the difference.

Elapsed Time: 5 Hours 45 Minutes

General

FL 23 BGS: EB is fine, WB...WHY? God I wish I'd thought to mount my phone to record it (that's not gonna happen again), but it's a mishmash of text and symbols that a third grader with Visio could have done better. No, FDOT, you can't slop like that, dammit; Capital Circle was bad enough.

BusyBee's in Greenville and Lake City: I've read mentions of BusyBee's here on the forum and apparently their footprint is growing, they've built two locations along I-10 and have billboards along I-10 both ways, so they're playing it up.

Traffic: Thursday, I-95 from PSJ to Daytona was flowing well, once I got north of Daytona that went away quickly. Traffic was running roughly 70-75-80 with a small handful running 80+, but the ones running in the left lane are running 70-75 and not paying attention to the trains they're building up behind them until someone whips past them in the suicide lane, then they get a clue. Once you got them out of the way you could run 80 and most folks would stay put. I-295 was a mess until you got past the Buckman, then it did manage to smooth out somewhat, though there were a few who were clearly not paying attention to what they were doing. I-10, well...if you love getting caught behind a rig attempting to pass another rig, you'll love this road! Otherwise, once you cleared the rigs you had clear sailing through Tallahassee. Not much of a FHP presence.

Sunday, basically a reverse of Thursday though the ride to downtown Jax on I-10 was smooth and I-95 was flowing freely. FHP's were out in force between Tallahassee and Lake City, two EB and one westbound, the second one EB had two cars on them.

Effects of Hurricane: Just as an aside, I saw the effects of Hurricane Michael on my family farm (which is 65 miles north of Panama City) and it wasn't good. Our old barn had collapsed, my grandmother's clapboard home was still standing but it was a mess and badly overgrown, when they regraded the road after the storm it effectively blocked car access to the yard. I couldn't get to the back of the house because I wasn't exactly prepared (and those gnats were effing with me). One of my late uncles had a trailer on the corner where the road ended in a T intersection, it's been abandoned for 20 years but it was always a marker to use when you reached the farm...and I missed it, the undergrowth had sprung up that badly. I managed to find the old driveway leading up to his trailer and it was still there...how about that. My aunt tells me that the farm is going to clean it up, so I am hopeful.

That ends my report. May ye be edified and amused.

Thanks for the report it was very interesting to read.

A couple things:

1) While the HOT lanes are a big pain to the JAX area, at least it's not as bad as the double tolling concept, which is present on the Suncoast Expressway in Tampa, and will soon be the Beachline Exp. in Orlando, and a few years later when the Turnpike gets widened in Martin and Palm Beach Counties.

Question: Whatever happened to the "anti-toll-higher sales tax instead position of JAX"?  I thought this legislation was passed in the late 1980's, did it get repealed or did FDOT tell JAX that sales tax revenues won't be enough to build new roads?

2) I agree with you, traffic has gotten really heavy on I-95 from Daytona to JAX, no it's not as bad as I-95 in Northern VA or even the Carolinas, as you still move around 70-75 MPH, but even during off peak hours this corridor is busy.  I remember driving to JAX from Orlando on a Saturday Morning in Sept a few years back and I could not put my cruise control on nor have much open space around me and this was 8-9 AM in the morning.  Ditto, for early January 2020, around 7 AM in the morning on a weekday, day after New Year's, a Thursday (most people off work until following Monday) lots of traffic surprisingly!

On the other hand, I-95 is an easy, all-cruise control drive from south of Daytona all the way until Fort Pierce. (Maybe a couple hiccups in Melbourne, but those are very short-term as opposed to between Daytona and JAX)

Conclusion, FDOT needs to start planning for another widening of I-95 from Daytona to JAX, the last widening here was 15-20 years ago, which may seem recent, but Volusia, Flagler and St. John's County are all among the fastest growing in the US and a lot of growth has happened here since 2000 and it shows no sign of slowing down.

Widening to 10 lanes will probably be able to keep up with growth for the next 50 years or so, but if it's just an 8 lane widening, then the corridor will probably be antiquated by 2040, and if it stays 6 lanes then by 2030 it will start looking like Northern VA.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on May 30, 2020, 08:16:11 PM
More than likely you won't see them consider another widening before they complete the First Coast Expressway connection to I-95, so you're probably looking at no earlier than 2025-26; more than likely they only widen it to FL 23 and leave the four lanes headed to JAX. The way they dragged their feet on the widening from Fort Pierce to Palm Bay doesn't give me any warm fuzzies.

I'm not even going to start screaming on the Veterans Expressway/Suncoast HOT lane insanity. As far as the Beachline HOT lanes are concerned, they would have been better served to add lanes in both directions between the Turnpike and I-4 AND completely rebuild the Beachline/Turnpike/Orange Blossom Trail clusterfuck.

Melbourne will probably clear up a touch once the Ellis Road/St. John's Heritage Parkway interchange gets done around the end of the year. (Of course, if they don't widen Ellis Road between I-95 and NASA Blvd/Wickham Road, this is going to turn into a major cluster in short order with the intersection with John Rodes RIGHT THERE.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on June 01, 2020, 05:33:04 PM
Quote from: RoadPelican on May 30, 2020, 12:13:41 PM

Thanks for the report it was very interesting to read.

A couple things:

2) I agree with you, traffic has gotten really heavy on I-95 from Daytona to JAX, no it's not as bad as I-95 in Northern VA or even the Carolinas, as you still move around 70-75 MPH, but even during off peak hours this corridor is busy.  I remember driving to JAX from Orlando on a Saturday Morning in Sept a few years back and I could not put my cruise control on nor have much open space around me and this was 8-9 AM in the morning.  Ditto, for early January 2020, around 7 AM in the morning on a weekday, day after New Year's, a Thursday (most people off work until following Monday) lots of traffic surprisingly!

The pandemic has changed a lot of things. When we were returning from Apollo Beach to Virginia after the birth of our grandson, I opted to take I-4 to I-95 instead of the usual route up I-75 to Ocala, then U.S. 301 to Baldwin, Callahan, and on to I-95. Between the stay-at-home orders, the total shutdown of Disney et al, and it being Sunday, April 5, I expected a whole lot less traffic -- and that's how it turned out. We zipped though Orlando with no delays (other than slowing in some places for the massive construction) and pretty much flew unimpeded by much traffic all the way to Jacksonville. I chose to go through the city instead of around and again, it was only in some construction areas that we were slowed. The whole trip was like that and we made it home in record time -- making the trip in about 11 hours when it usually takes between 12 (the best up until now) to 14-15 (Thanksgiving trips with 25 MPH traffic on I-95 in S. Carolina).

Bruce in Blacksburg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on June 02, 2020, 10:37:56 AM
Nice roadtrip report, thanks for posting it.  :nod:

Quote from: DeaconG on May 29, 2020, 01:26:54 AM

I-95/I-4/US 92/FL 400 Interchange Daytona: ME LIKEY FDOT. It's well designed to insure that the traffic entering/exiting from I-4, US 92 and FL 400 are separated from the main drag and it's a noticeable speedup in the trip. Well lit, a bit swoopy but that's not a problem here.

Finished well over a year behind schedule though (Spring 2020 vs late 2018). I am not a big fan of being dumped onto a c/d roadway from I-4 east to I-95 north through. The sign consistency on I-95 leaves a bit to be desired as well:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/095/i-095-n-exit-260-4.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/095/i-095-n-exit-260-4.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/095/i-095-n-exit-260-6.jpg)
(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/095/i-095-n-exit-260-6.jpg)

I-4 should have west and SR 400 should have east, but perhaps that is a bit too nitpicky.

Quote from: DeaconG on May 29, 2020, 01:26:54 AM

I-295 Toll Lanes: WTF FDOT? Oh, no...no, no, no. What possessed you to put HOT lanes on the Beltway and take away a free lane in each direction to do that? The damn highway was already a chokepoint with four lanes due to the traffic coming on and off both Old St. Augustine Road and San Jose Boulevard, plus the through traffic heading for I-10 WB or I-95 SB, but you idiots took away a FREE LANE to have two HOT lanes in each direction and three free? I won't even describe the cluster that stretch was, the traffic was badly backing up at both interchanges and it didn't look like the HOT lanes were getting a ton of traffic at all. And you're going to extend this postpartum abortion across the Buckman. BAD FDOT. BAD!

At least the Express Lanes they are adding on the East Beltway of I-295 are additional lanes that were not there presently. I echo what others wrote, the Jacksonville Express Lanes are good in that they are toll free during non peak hours. The ones added to the Veterans Expressway (SR 589) are like that (no additional charge during off peak, though I've never seen them charging additional tolls thus far).

Quote from: DeaconG on May 29, 2020, 01:26:54 AM

Hammond Road/Marietta Interchange: I was so involved trying to merge out of the loop ramp from I-295 to I-10 Westbound (Earth to FDOT...FLYOVER!) that I nearly didn't realize that I was driving past the old Marietta off-ramp westbound and was blindsided by the Hammond Road interchange. For those who haven't been in the area, it made the merge onto I-10 from I-295 NB challenging because the Marietta RIRO was literally RIGHT THERE once the ramp from I-295 SB merged in. There used to be a convenience store right there on the corner where the ramps were located, I stopped for gas there a couple of times. It was well done and badly needed for the area, two lanes on and off from the east side works quite well.


(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/010/i-010-w-exit-355-04.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/010/i-010-w-exit-355-04.jpg)

That change took place between 2013 and 2016. Caught the former ramp you mentioned in the photo we took 06/16/16 (looks like I need to swap this photo out with one from 2019).


Quote from: DeaconG on May 29, 2020, 01:26:54 AM

Capital Circle NW Interchange: That actually caught me by surprise as I knew that FDOT and the county was working on widening Capital Circle there, but they didn't do the actual interchange for some time...but now they've cleaned it up pretty well with two lane ramps both coming off and on. The BGS's were a bit disappointing as they ham-fisted the "International"  add-on to the signs; hopefully they will clean that up in the future.


That Capital Circle (SR 263) was being widened south from SR 20 to SR 371 in 2014. Thought to check that out last month when I was through the area, but didn't have enough time. The expanded ramps from I-10 were part of the Moving I-10 Forward project in 2006-09.

Did shoot photos of those wretched greenouts for the renaming of Tallahassee Regional to International Airport one month ago today (need to get those posted to the site still). They also greened out the guide sign on US 90 (Mahan Drive) west at I-10 with series C Highway Gothic below Tallahassee in series D.

Quote from: DeaconG on May 29, 2020, 01:26:54 AM

I-10/I-95 Add-On (Lake City ramp widening): I decided not to take I-295 SB on my return home and cut through downtown JAX and see the second reconstruction of the I-95/Fuller Warren/US 1 interchanges, I always believed the I-10/I-95 reconstruction was masterful, so I was caught by surprise when I saw the construction going on there and realized when I saw the pylons that they were widening the I-95 NB to I-10 WB Lake City flyover...GOOD. I knew it was only a matter of time before they were forced to widen it, but widen it they are and it's a good thing.

Fuller Warren add-on: The second thing that blindsided me was the lane add-ons for the Fuller Warren, which absolutely blew me away. Not that they didn't need it-even with eight lanes it's a diva especially during rush hours-but dayum, guys...someone is making sure JAX catches up with other metro areas in getting their downtown interstates in order.


The I-10/I-95 Interchange Improvements project adds a lane per direction and a multiuse path along the southbound side of the Fuller Warren Bridge. Work started in May 2017 and runs until Spring 2021 (was originally scheduled to finish this Summer).

Quote from: DeaconG on May 29, 2020, 01:26:54 AM

US 1-90/I-95 Second Reconstruction: Jaw Drop. Drool. Magnificent three-to-five lane local/express braided ribbons (I had to go back in Google Satellite to see them all since I was rolling at the time and trying to take it all in). They built Space Mountain. It's absolutely sweet. I think they fixed it this time. GOOD ON YOU FDOT!


That was the Overland Bridge Project, started in January 2013. It was supposed to wrap up in mid-2016, but dragged onto to Spring 2018. The project added those c/d roadways and resulted in US 1 and US 90 being relocated onto them (a portion of old US 1 was resigned as SR 5).

I photographed it for the site last November with roadman65, and again in March with flaroads:
Northbound: https://www.aaroads.com/guides/i-095-north-southside-fl/
Southbound: https://www.aaroads.com/guides/i-095-south-southside-fl/

Quote from: DeaconG on May 29, 2020, 01:26:54 AM

I-95/FL 202 Flyover: Nearly missed it, but it was worth it, another badly needed reconstruction that looks like it turned out well, and that loop ramp to I-95 SB makes all the difference.


That was another nice addition and it included upgrades on SR 202 (Butler Boulevard) (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/fl-202/) too. The flyover opened on September 7, 2017. Work started in 2015.

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/202/fl-202-w-exit-001-4.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/202/fl-202-w-exit-001-4.jpg)
This was a change made on SR 202 westbound.

Quote from: DeaconG on May 29, 2020, 01:26:54 AM

FL 23 BGS: EB is fine, WB...WHY? God I wish I'd thought to mount my phone to record it (that's not gonna happen again), but it's a mishmash of text and symbols that a third grader with Visio could have done better. No, FDOT, you can't slop like that, dammit; Capital Circle was bad enough.


Agreed, they are ridiculous. I need to update the site with our photos of these as well.
Simplify it with "SR 23 South - Middleburg / U.S. 90 Beaver St." Done and done. Drop the superfluous Cecil Commerce Center Parkway and have the Toll SR 23 shield suffice instead of always writing out FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY.
Title: FL Roadtrip Report - Tampa to Titusville
Post by: Alex on June 02, 2020, 11:23:52 AM
My wife and I went over to Titusville last Wednesday to see the SpaceX launch (it was scrubbed right after we found a place to see it). Have posted most of the photos from trip to AARoads already. Some observations from the ride:

The way over we took I-4 to SR 408 east to SR 50 east into Bithlo. Did a loop north to circumvent some traffic via Taylor Road north, Lake Pickett Road (unsigned CR 420) east and Chuluota Road (unsigned CR 419) south. Resumed along SR 50 east to SR 520 east, SR 528 east, SR 407 north, local roads into Titusville.

Interstate 4 (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/i-004-fl/) eastbound photos updated from I-275 to SR 408. I mostly aimed to replace any from 2015 or older. Look for 05/27/20

There is now a "Last Rest Area on I-4" sign ahead of the eastbound facility in Polk County.

The weather worn guide sign for Exit 58/SR 532 was replaced in kind. Still references Kissimmee, as if it was 1990 and US 17/92 was still a good route to take to it.
(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-e-exit-058-3.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-e-exit-058-3.jpg)
I'd replace Kissimmee with Loughman or Intercession City and add Champions Gate. Would put Poinciana with a SR 538 shield on a supplemental sign.

The South Street ramp was renumbered from Exit 82B to Exit 83.
Had the chance to take another one of the flyovers at the systems interchange with SR 408. You get a great view of Downtown Orlando from up there:
(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-e-exit-082-6.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-e-exit-082-6.jpg)

I posted photos from May 22 along I-4 west at SR 408 (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/i-004-west-orange-fl/) over the weekend as well. Control points for SR 408 (Ocoee and Titusville) were finally added on guide signs from I-4: https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-w-exit-082-4.jpg

Rephotographed SR 408 east from Mills Avenue (Exit 11B) to SR 50: https://www.aaroads.com/guides/fl-408-east-union-park/

All of the blue/white toll rate placards on SR 408 eastbound guide signs were overlayed with yellow/black ones displaying simply "Pay Toll"
The guide signs for the toll plazas were also changed to more prominently display EPass:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/408/fl-408-e-exit-014-1.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/408/fl-408-e-exit-014-1.jpg)

The control points for SR 417 were changed since my last drive on SR 408 from Sanford / Orlando International Airport to the inane Tampa and Daytona Beach.

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/408/fl-408-e-exit-018-4.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/408/fl-408-e-exit-018-4.jpg)
Sanford and OIA however were retained on sign replacements at the flyover split: https://www.aaroads.com/fl/408/fl-408-e-exit-018-7.jpg

The interchange upgrade at SR 408/417 was completed last year, as was the widening of the East-West Expressway to Exit 21 / Alafaya Trail. All signs were replaced and now use Clearview font.

Still no advance mention of the toll booth along the entrance ramp from SR 520 to SR 528 eastbound. The toll shields don't count IMO as SR 281 in Santa Rosa County is signed with toll shields south from I-10, despite it being toll free until the last turn off before the Garcon Point Bridge. Plus standard SR 528 shields are posted at the on-ramp in both directions:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/520/fl-520-e-at-fl-528-6.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/520/fl-520-e-at-fl-528-6.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/520/fl-520-w-at-fl-528-3.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/520/fl-520-w-at-fl-528-3.jpg)

Noticeable grading underway and initial bridge construction all along the south side of SR 528 for the Virgin Trains USA / Brightline high speed rail project.




Way back was Grissom Pkwy south to Port St. Johns Parkway west to I-95 south. Was running with Waze and had previously looked at Google Maps and saw the blood red traffic on SR 528, so I opted for this way and Waze was in agreement. Took I-95 to SR 524 west, SR 520 west to SR 528. Took I-4 back to Tampa, with two brief loops to avoid traffic jams due to accidents/thunderstorms.

There's still a few orange barrels along SR 528 at the Beachline Express Lanes, but the overall project is finally done. As a result, you get 5 overheads for Toll Florida's Turnpike Turnpike and US 17/92/441 with no destination westbound:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/528/fl-528-w-exit-004-13.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/528/fl-528-w-exit-004-13.jpg)
The first one. Plenty of space on this sign bridge to add Ocala/Miami or Orange Blossom Trail, but instead overheads were replaced in kind.

Diverted from I-4 onto SR 429 north to Sinclair Road east to Old Lake Wilson Road (CR 545) south to circumvent traffic. As if the Orlando area needed another, a massive apartment complex was quickly built within the small wedge of land between the northbound off-ramp at Exit 1 and Sinclair Road. https://www.google.com/maps/@28.295015,-81.6013804,3a,75y,62.62h,94.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1si9ZUdFVTs3TTkIgO7sNpgg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 The GSV image is from February and they are already putting the finishing touches on the buildings.

New traffic lights added on CR 532 (Osceola Polk Line Road) at Heritage Pass (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.2597684,-81.6055336,3a,75y,258.07h,92.71t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sXQq1E6L7c7JozlphQSx8tQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DXQq1E6L7c7JozlphQSx8tQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D165.30988%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192). This section will become that much more of a cluster once the Orlando Health hospital and more retail is crammed in along the north side. Plus frontage road construction from CR 532 north to Celebration continues in earnest for more suburban development.

Jumped off I-4 again via CR 557 (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/cr-557-fl/) south, CR 557A (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/cr-557a-fl/) west and SR 559 (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/fl-559/) south to avoid this:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/polk-co/cr-557a-w-at-i-004.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/polk-co/cr-557a-w-at-i-004.jpg)

Sloppy replace in kind sign for I-4 east (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/polk-co/cr-557-s-at-i-004-4.jpg) on CR 557 south. The lone shield for CR 17 (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/polk-co/cr-557-s-at-cr-017-1.jpg) south on CR 557 south is gone, but one for CR 557A (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/polk-co/cr-557-s-at-cr-557a-2.jpg) was added.

And got another look at this terrible sign:
(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-w-exit-010-5.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-w-exit-010-5.jpg)

Saw the signing plans, and it was done perfectly, complete with the off centered Mango and poor kerning for Thonotosassa.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on June 04, 2020, 06:01:49 PM
Quote from: Alex on June 02, 2020, 11:23:52 AM
My wife and I went over to Titusville last Wednesday to see the SpaceX launch (it was scrubbed right after we found a place to see it). Have posted most of the photos from trip to AARoads already. Some observations from the ride:

The way over we took I-4 to SR 408 east to SR 50 east into Bithlo. Did a loop north to circumvent some traffic via Taylor Road north, Lake Pickett Road (unsigned CR 420) east and Chuluota Road (unsigned CR 419) south. Resumed along SR 50 east to SR 520 east, SR 528 east, SR 407 north, local roads into Titusville.

Interstate 4 (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/i-004-fl/) eastbound photos updated from I-275 to SR 408. I mostly aimed to replace any from 2015 or older. Look for 05/27/20

There is now a "Last Rest Area on I-4" sign ahead of the eastbound facility in Polk County.

The weather worn guide sign for Exit 58/SR 532 was replaced in kind. Still references Kissimmee, as if it was 1990 and US 17/92 was still a good route to take to it.
(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-e-exit-058-3.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-e-exit-058-3.jpg)
I'd replace Kissimmee with Loughman or Intercession City and add Champions Gate. Would put Poinciana with a SR 538 shield on a supplemental sign.

The South Street ramp was renumbered from Exit 82B to Exit 83.
Had the chance to take another one of the flyovers at the systems interchange with SR 408. You get a great view of Downtown Orlando from up there:
(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-e-exit-082-6.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-e-exit-082-6.jpg)

I posted photos from May 22 along I-4 west at SR 408 (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/i-004-west-orange-fl/) over the weekend as well. Control points for SR 408 (Ocoee and Titusville) were finally added on guide signs from I-4: https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-w-exit-082-4.jpg

Rephotographed SR 408 east from Mills Avenue (Exit 11B) to SR 50: https://www.aaroads.com/guides/fl-408-east-union-park/

All of the blue/white toll rate placards on SR 408 eastbound guide signs were overlayed with yellow/black ones displaying simply "Pay Toll"
The guide signs for the toll plazas were also changed to more prominently display EPass:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/408/fl-408-e-exit-014-1.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/408/fl-408-e-exit-014-1.jpg)

The control points for SR 417 were changed since my last drive on SR 408 from Sanford / Orlando International Airport to the inane Tampa and Daytona Beach.

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/408/fl-408-e-exit-018-4.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/408/fl-408-e-exit-018-4.jpg)
Sanford and OIA however were retained on sign replacements at the flyover split: https://www.aaroads.com/fl/408/fl-408-e-exit-018-7.jpg

The interchange upgrade at SR 408/417 was completed last year, as was the widening of the East-West Expressway to Exit 21 / Alafaya Trail. All signs were replaced and now use Clearview font.

Still no advance mention of the toll booth along the entrance ramp from SR 520 to SR 528 eastbound. The toll shields don't count IMO as SR 281 in Santa Rosa County is signed with toll shields south from I-10, despite it being toll free until the last turn off before the Garcon Point Bridge. Plus standard SR 528 shields are posted at the on-ramp in both directions:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/520/fl-520-e-at-fl-528-6.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/520/fl-520-e-at-fl-528-6.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/520/fl-520-w-at-fl-528-3.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/520/fl-520-w-at-fl-528-3.jpg)

Noticeable grading underway and initial bridge construction all along the south side of SR 528 for the Virgin Trains USA / Brightline high speed rail project.




Way back was Grissom Pkwy south to Port St. Johns Parkway west to I-95 south. Was running with Waze and had previously looked at Google Maps and saw the blood red traffic on SR 528, so I opted for this way and Waze was in agreement. Took I-95 to SR 524 west, SR 520 west to SR 528. Took I-4 back to Tampa, with two brief loops to avoid traffic jams due to accidents/thunderstorms.

There's still a few orange barrels along SR 528 at the Beachline Express Lanes, but the overall project is finally done. As a result, you get 5 overheads for Toll Florida's Turnpike Turnpike and US 17/92/441 with no destination westbound:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/528/fl-528-w-exit-004-13.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/528/fl-528-w-exit-004-13.jpg)
The first one. Plenty of space on this sign bridge to add Ocala/Miami or Orange Blossom Trail, but instead overheads were replaced in kind.

Diverted from I-4 onto SR 429 north to Sinclair Road east to Old Lake Wilson Road (CR 545) south to circumvent traffic. As if the Orlando area needed another, a massive apartment complex was quickly built within the small wedge of land between the northbound off-ramp at Exit 1 and Sinclair Road. https://www.google.com/maps/@28.295015,-81.6013804,3a,75y,62.62h,94.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1si9ZUdFVTs3TTkIgO7sNpgg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 The GSV image is from February and they are already putting the finishing touches on the buildings.

New traffic lights added on CR 532 (Osceola Polk Line Road) at Heritage Pass (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.2597684,-81.6055336,3a,75y,258.07h,92.71t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sXQq1E6L7c7JozlphQSx8tQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DXQq1E6L7c7JozlphQSx8tQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D165.30988%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192). This section will become that much more of a cluster once the Orlando Health hospital and more retail is crammed in along the north side. Plus frontage road construction from CR 532 north to Celebration continues in earnest for more suburban development.

Jumped off I-4 again via CR 557 (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/cr-557-fl/) south, CR 557A (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/cr-557a-fl/) west and SR 559 (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/fl-559/) south to avoid this:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/polk-co/cr-557a-w-at-i-004.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/polk-co/cr-557a-w-at-i-004.jpg)

Sloppy replace in kind sign for I-4 east (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/polk-co/cr-557-s-at-i-004-4.jpg) on CR 557 south. The lone shield for CR 17 (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/polk-co/cr-557-s-at-cr-017-1.jpg) south on CR 557 south is gone, but one for CR 557A (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/polk-co/cr-557-s-at-cr-557a-2.jpg) was added.

And got another look at this terrible sign:
(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-w-exit-010-5.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-w-exit-010-5.jpg)

Saw the signing plans, and it was done perfectly, complete with the off centered Mango and poor kerning for Thonotosassa.

I made sure I kept my behind in the house that day...you were less than 10 minutes away! No, my idiot behind went out on Saturday to pay some bills before the launch and go to MI afterwards...I forgot how ugly the traffic gets around here for a launch. Also, Barna and Park Avenues in Titusville become your friends during a launch; you can decide whether to risk Space View/Sand Point/Parrish (via Garden Street) or find a place along US 1 using Knox-McRae, Country Club or Harrison. Kennedy Point Park is still undergoing reconstruction so you can't park your car there (that was my fallback point, my normal point is at the base of the A Max Brewer, then I would schlep me and my camera gear to the top of the bridge).

I have got to do the I-4/408 as soon as I get a new transponder.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 04, 2020, 08:12:23 PM
Has anybody been up to Pensacola lately to see if FL-99 has been signed yet?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 16, 2020, 03:09:48 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on June 04, 2020, 08:12:23 PM
Has anybody been up to Pensacola lately to see if FL-99 has been signed yet?
I never even went close.

But I did get some shots of Hernando County Road 576 a week or two ago, which I still have yet to post.



Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Hwy 61 Revisited on June 17, 2020, 11:26:45 AM
Isn't it odd how DisneyWorld has its own freeway system?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on June 17, 2020, 01:09:29 PM
Quote from: Hwy 61 Revisited on June 17, 2020, 11:26:45 AM
Isn't it odd how DisneyWorld has its own freeway system?
Not necessarily, it's for logistical purposes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 17, 2020, 01:12:19 PM
The southbound lanes of Roosevelt Bridge in Stuart (US 1 over the St. Lucie River) (https://www.clickorlando.com/traffic/2020/06/17/florida-bridge-at-risk-of-an-imminent-collapse/) are closed along with Dixie Hwy below it due to a large crack having been found on the south side of the bridge.  Two lanes (one in each direction) are in place on the northbound lanes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on June 17, 2020, 01:13:33 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on June 17, 2020, 01:12:19 PM
The southbound lanes of Roosevelt Bridge in Stuart (US 1 over the St. Lucie River) (https://www.clickorlando.com/traffic/2020/06/17/florida-bridge-at-risk-of-an-imminent-collapse/) are closed along with Dixie Hwy below it due to a large crack having been found on the south side of the bridge.  Two lanes (one in each direction) are in place on the northbound lanes.
I've never been there, how old is the bridge?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Kniwt on June 17, 2020, 09:43:27 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on June 17, 2020, 01:12:19 PM
The southbound lanes of Roosevelt Bridge in Stuart (US 1 over the St. Lucie River) (https://www.clickorlando.com/traffic/2020/06/17/florida-bridge-at-risk-of-an-imminent-collapse/) are closed along with Dixie Hwy below it due to a large crack having been found on the south side of the bridge.  Two lanes (one in each direction) are in place on the northbound lanes.

All lanes are now closed in both directions after "structural issues" were found on the other side. However, local officials are contradicting the Coast Guard's claim that the bridge is at "risk of imminent collapse."
https://www.wptv.com/news/state/region-martin-county/roosevelt-bridge-at-risk-of-an-imminent-collapse-in-stuart

Quote from: kevinb1994 on June 17, 2020, 01:13:33 PM
I've never been there, how old is the bridge?

"Construction of the new Roosevelt Bridge began in April 1994 when the first test pilings were driven into the riverbed. The northbound span of the bridge opened in November 1996. Traffic in both directions shared the span until the southbound bridge was completed."
https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/martin-county/2020/06/17/coast-guard-warns-roosevelt-bridge-risk-imminent-collapse-stuart/3204479001/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Kniwt on June 18, 2020, 09:44:23 PM
Quote from: Kniwt on June 17, 2020, 09:43:27 PM
All lanes are now closed in both directions after "structural issues" were found on the other side. However, local officials are contradicting the Coast Guard's claim that the bridge is at "risk of imminent collapse."

The situation appears to have gotten much worse on Thursday:
https://www.wptv.com/news/region-martin-county/stuart/testing-underway-at-roosevelt-bridge-in-stuart-after-chunks-of-concrete-fall

QuoteThe mayor of Stuart has declared a local state of emergency after inspectors uncovered "severe corrosion" and ruptured steel tendons on the Roosevelt Bridge on Thursday.

Transportation officials are warning people not to go "anywhere close" to the structure after chunks of concrete fell earlier this week, forcing the entire bridge to shut down until further notice.

... In a pair of tweets around 2:30 p.m., the Florida Department of Transportation said that "latest inspections and calculations show that the first span of the southbound bridge has severe corrosion resulting in steel tendons that support the bridge being ruptured."

The tweets went onto say that "the first span of the southbound bridge will need to be temporarily supported as soon as possible in an abundance of caution. Nobody should be under, over or anywhere close to this segment. We will be fencing off the entire area immediately."
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on June 27, 2020, 02:54:43 AM
I am not sure on where to put this, but it's pretty exciting!

The Florida Turnpike is currently working on two all-electronic (AET) conversions along the Turnpike itself.

The first one being the "northern" part of the Turnpike between Kissimmee Park Road (MP 236) to Interstate 75, and the completion date is 2021.
http://www.floridasturnpike.com/content/downloads/Current%20Project%20Descriptions/FACT%20SHEET%20-%20AET%20Northern%20Coin%20Construction.pdf

The other one is the "All-Electronic Tolling (AET) Phase 8 Conversion Project" from the Lantana Toll Plaza (MP 88) to the Three Lakes Toll Plaza (MP 236), and the completion date is 2024.
http://www.floridasturnpike.com/content/downloads/Current%20Project%20Descriptions/AET%208%20Project%20Map.pdf
http://www.floridasturnpike.com/content/downloads/Current%20Project%20Descriptions/AET%208%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf

Once this whole project is complete, the Florida Turnpike will be an all-electronic toll road the whole way.  :clap:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: pianocello on June 28, 2020, 09:12:14 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on June 27, 2020, 02:54:43 AM
I am not sure on where to put this, but it's pretty exciting!

The Florida Turnpike is currently working on two all-electronic (AET) conversions along the Turnpike itself.

Interesting. I don't know much about how the existing AET system works on Turnpike-maintained roads, but I'm concerned about how this will mesh with the potentially high amount of out-of-state traffic north of SR 429. Is there an extra surcharge for vehicles without SunPass? Does it cost FTE any more to bill by plate for out-of-state plates?

That said, I'm glad they're finally making it possible to bypass cash lanes system-wide. On my first time driving on the Turnpike, I was in a rental car paid by the company I was interviewing for and I didn't know you couldn't go back and pay tolls online later like in Illinois.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: emory on July 01, 2020, 10:59:54 PM
I took a look at Google Street View to see the Starke Bypass and noticed that the split on both ends from US 319 facing the intersection signs the bypass as US 319 ALT and the main road as US 319 BUS. The latter must be in error because I don't remember there being plans to re-sign US 319 as a business route.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fp2JZksP.png&hash=508b8002a08085d8aeb6d9c5346051275a8a8cf8)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Verlanka on July 02, 2020, 04:59:30 AM
Quote from: emory on July 01, 2020, 10:59:54 PM
I took a look at Google Street View to see the Starke Bypass and noticed that the split on both ends from US 301 facing the intersection signs the bypass as US 301 ALT and the main road as US 301 BUS. The latter must be in error because I don't remember there being plans to re-sign US 301 as a business route.
Edited for accuracy.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on July 02, 2020, 06:47:39 PM
Quote from: emory on July 01, 2020, 10:59:54 PM
I took a look at Google Street View to see the Starke Bypass and noticed that the split on both ends from US 319 facing the intersection signs the bypass as US 319 ALT and the main road as US 319 BUS. The latter must be in error because I don't remember there being plans to re-sign US 319 as a business route.

There are no plans to designate a business route for U.S. 301. Instead the Business banners are an attempt to steer some of the traffic into Starke to patronize area businesses.

Similarly, there are also business banners (somewhat erroneous) for SR 16 and SR 100 on the off-ramps from U.S. 301 ALT / Starke Truck Route:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/301/us-301a-s-at-fl-100-6.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/301/us-301a-s-at-fl-100-6.jpg)

Have complete coverage of the Starke Truck Route (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/us-301a-fl/) in both directions on the site.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on July 03, 2020, 09:32:58 AM
I drove on FL 292 last week, verifying it was truncated from AL 182 (no pics, sorry). No end sign on its western end.

Interestingly, there's a few times it's labeled as north/south at SR 173 and randomly along the route. I can see why US 98 does that, but not here.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on July 06, 2020, 09:32:53 AM
Quote from: Alex on July 02, 2020, 06:47:39 PM
Quote from: emory on July 01, 2020, 10:59:54 PM
I took a look at Google Street View to see the Starke Bypass and noticed that the split on both ends from US 319 facing the intersection signs the bypass as US 319 ALT and the main road as US 319 BUS. The latter must be in error because I don't remember there being plans to re-sign US 319 as a business route.

There are no plans to designate a business route for U.S. 301. Instead the Business banners are an attempt to steer some of the traffic into Starke to patronize area businesses.

Similarly, there are also business banners (somewhat erroneous) for SR 16 and SR 100 on the off-ramps from U.S. 301 ALT / Starke Truck Route:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/301/us-301a-s-at-fl-100-6.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/301/us-301a-s-at-fl-100-6.jpg)

Have complete coverage of the Starke Truck Route (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/us-301a-fl/) in both directions on the site.
US 258 used to do that years ago around Smithfield, VA.  It had the mainline into the city signed as BUSINESS between the two Truck Bypass endpoints.  Being that there was no mainline other than a business and a truck split, the route through the city was the mainline.  Boulder City in NV had the same for US 93 signing the mainline as Business and the bypass as a truck route before I-11 was built.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: UCFKnights on July 07, 2020, 10:04:20 AM
Quote from: pianocello on June 28, 2020, 09:12:14 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on June 27, 2020, 02:54:43 AM
I am not sure on where to put this, but it's pretty exciting!

The Florida Turnpike is currently working on two all-electronic (AET) conversions along the Turnpike itself.

Interesting. I don't know much about how the existing AET system works on Turnpike-maintained roads, but I'm concerned about how this will mesh with the potentially high amount of out-of-state traffic north of SR 429. Is there an extra surcharge for vehicles without SunPass? Does it cost FTE any more to bill by plate for out-of-state plates?

That said, I'm glad they're finally making it possible to bypass cash lanes system-wide. On my first time driving on the Turnpike, I was in a rental car paid by the company I was interviewing for and I didn't know you couldn't go back and pay tolls online later like in Illinois.
SunPass already charges more on every toll for both cash and billing by plate (rather implemented as a discount for using SunPass). There is a couple dollar administrative fee I believe charged only once a month when you're billed for using the toll by plate system.

Even though its not signed, Toll by Plate has been active for several years at all SunPass/EPass toll plazas. The "AET" conversion is really just the removal of the on road cash option from the toll plazas and full installation of high speed lanes everywhere instead of 25mph speed limits through plazas.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on July 08, 2020, 10:09:31 AM
Quote from: Alex on July 02, 2020, 06:47:39 PM

There are no plans to designate a business route for U.S. 301. Instead the Business banners are an attempt to steer some of the traffic into Starke to patronize area businesses.


Not really concerned about how the road is designated -- it is a vast improvement over crawling through Stark!

How will the Baldwin bypass be signed whenever it is completed? Sadly, we won't be able to take advantage of it since our daughter-in-law has completed her residency and is finishing a fellowship, followed by a move to Baton Rouge from Apollo Beach.

Bruce in Blacksburg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Stephane Dumas on July 21, 2020, 02:44:55 PM
I saw that video posted last February about the Gateway project in St. Petersburg and the more recent photos shows the piers taken last June.
https://www.fdottampabay.com/project/235/433880-1-52-01
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEc_w-OyAAY 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on July 31, 2020, 10:16:45 PM
On Google Maps, I see a new roundabout being constructed at US 1 & Old Dixie at Korona, which is in Flagler County. Also, look just southeast of that intersection, and you will see something very odd. A half-abandoned circular street. What the heck?

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Flagler+County,+FL/@29.4056879,-81.1961992,375m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x88e6ed38655554ff:0x653b326cf0caafbd!8m2!3d29.4086072!4d-81.2518833 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Flagler+County,+FL/@29.4056879,-81.1961992,375m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x88e6ed38655554ff:0x653b326cf0caafbd!8m2!3d29.4086072!4d-81.2518833)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on August 01, 2020, 04:26:51 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on July 31, 2020, 10:16:45 PM
On Google Maps, I see a new roundabout being constructed at US 1 & Old Dixie at Korona, which is in Flagler County. Also, look just southeast of that intersection, and you will see something very odd. A half-abandoned circular street. What the heck?

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Flagler+County,+FL/@29.4056879,-81.1961992,375m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x88e6ed38655554ff:0x653b326cf0caafbd!8m2!3d29.4086072!4d-81.2518833 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Flagler+County,+FL/@29.4056879,-81.1961992,375m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x88e6ed38655554ff:0x653b326cf0caafbd!8m2!3d29.4086072!4d-81.2518833)
Probably a failed utopian settlement.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Finrod on August 01, 2020, 08:11:53 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on July 31, 2020, 10:16:45 PM
On Google Maps, I see a new roundabout being constructed at US 1 & Old Dixie at Korona, which is in Flagler County. Also, look just southeast of that intersection, and you will see something very odd. A half-abandoned circular street. What the heck?

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Flagler+County,+FL/@29.4056879,-81.1961992,375m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x88e6ed38655554ff:0x653b326cf0caafbd!8m2!3d29.4086072!4d-81.2518833 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Flagler+County,+FL/@29.4056879,-81.1961992,375m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x88e6ed38655554ff:0x653b326cf0caafbd!8m2!3d29.4086072!4d-81.2518833)

Could it have something to do with the Catholic church that's just to the east/northeast of it?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 06, 2020, 10:21:20 AM
Is this an old image of the Welcome Center on I-95 or on FL SR 200?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Florida_Welcome_Center,_Yulee,_Florida_LCCN2017712561.tif

Because FDOT may give the address of the one on I-95 as being in Yulee, but it's a little too far north.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on August 06, 2020, 01:41:23 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on August 06, 2020, 10:21:20 AM
Is this an old image of the Welcome Center on I-95 or on FL SR 200?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Florida_Welcome_Center,_Yulee,_Florida_LCCN2017712561.tif (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Florida_Welcome_Center,_Yulee,_Florida_LCCN2017712561.tif)

Because FDOT may give the address of the one on I-95 as being in Yulee, but it's a little too far north.
I think that's the old one on US 17!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on August 08, 2020, 03:09:05 PM
I had a chance to access the new interchange with I-95 at Ellis Road in Melbourne, it's between the CR 518 (Eau Gallie Blvd) and US 192 exits. The interchange is actually a combo diamond/loop (NB off, SB off and on are diamond ramps, the NB on is a loop ramp that services both directions. I have no idea why they didn't just do a full diamond, but whatever).

The interchange ties in Ellis Road on the east end and the current terminus of the St. John's Heritage Parkway on the west end. The Ellis Road/John Rodes Blvd intersection is less than 500 feet east of the interchange.

On the one hand, it will give you a straight shot to Melbourne International Airport and if you live on the western side of Palm Bay, it gives you the ability to bypass Minton Road (which is a pain).

On the other hand, if they don't widen Ellis Road RIGHT NOW all they've done is create a mess that will be evident in another year. You're already funneling the four lanes of NASA Blvd that goes to/from the airport into a two-lane Ellis Road at Wickham Road, it's already a PITA during rush hour and when folks realize it now ties into I-95, it will get worse if they don't four lane it between John Rodes and Wickham. This time next year, the screaming will be intense.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on August 08, 2020, 03:29:00 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on August 08, 2020, 03:09:05 PM
I had a chance to access the new interchange with I-95 at Ellis Road in Melbourne, it's between the CR 518 (Eau Gallie Blvd) and US 192 exits. The interchange is actually a combo diamond/loop (NB off, SB off and on are diamond ramps, the NB on is a loop ramp that services both directions. I have no idea why they didn't just do a full diamond, but whatever).

The interchange ties in Ellis Road on the east end and the current terminus of the St. John's Heritage Parkway on the west end. The Ellis Road/John Rodes Blvd intersection is less than 500 feet east of the interchange.

On the one hand, it will give you a straight shot to Melbourne International Airport and if you live on the western side of Palm Bay, it gives you the ability to bypass Minton Road (which is a pain).

On the other hand, if they don't widen Ellis Road RIGHT NOW all they've done is create a mess that will be evident in another year. You're already funneling the four lanes of NASA Blvd that goes to/from the airport into a two-lane Ellis Road at Wickham Road, it's already a PITA during rush hour and when folks realize it now ties into I-95, it will get worse if they don't four lane it between John Rodes and Wickham. This time next year, the screaming will be intense.
I'm glad that I don't live in Brevard right now...Duval is enough to handle as it is. #904Represent
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 08, 2020, 11:01:17 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on August 08, 2020, 03:09:05 PM
I had a chance to access the new interchange with I-95 at Ellis Road in Melbourne, it's between the CR 518 (Eau Gallie Blvd) and US 192 exits. The interchange is actually a combo diamond/loop (NB off, SB off and on are diamond ramps, the NB on is a loop ramp that services both directions. I have no idea why they didn't just do a full diamond, but whatever).

The interchange ties in Ellis Road on the east end and the current terminus of the St. John's Heritage Parkway on the west end. The Ellis Road/John Rodes Blvd intersection is less than 500 feet east of the interchange.

On the one hand, it will give you a straight shot to Melbourne International Airport and if you live on the western side of Palm Bay, it gives you the ability to bypass Minton Road (which is a pain).

On the other hand, if they don't widen Ellis Road RIGHT NOW all they've done is create a mess that will be evident in another year. You're already funneling the four lanes of NASA Blvd that goes to/from the airport into a two-lane Ellis Road at Wickham Road, it's already a PITA during rush hour and when folks realize it now ties into I-95, it will get worse if they don't four lane it between John Rodes and Wickham. This time next year, the screaming will be intense.

What is with the elevated structure over the power line ROW on St Johns Heritage?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on August 08, 2020, 11:08:58 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 08, 2020, 11:01:17 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on August 08, 2020, 03:09:05 PM
I had a chance to access the new interchange with I-95 at Ellis Road in Melbourne, it's between the CR 518 (Eau Gallie Blvd) and US 192 exits. The interchange is actually a combo diamond/loop (NB off, SB off and on are diamond ramps, the NB on is a loop ramp that services both directions. I have no idea why they didn't just do a full diamond, but whatever).

The interchange ties in Ellis Road on the east end and the current terminus of the St. John's Heritage Parkway on the west end. The Ellis Road/John Rodes Blvd intersection is less than 500 feet east of the interchange.

On the one hand, it will give you a straight shot to Melbourne International Airport and if you live on the western side of Palm Bay, it gives you the ability to bypass Minton Road (which is a pain).

On the other hand, if they don't widen Ellis Road RIGHT NOW all they've done is create a mess that will be evident in another year. You're already funneling the four lanes of NASA Blvd that goes to/from the airport into a two-lane Ellis Road at Wickham Road, it's already a PITA during rush hour and when folks realize it now ties into I-95, it will get worse if they don't four lane it between John Rodes and Wickham. This time next year, the screaming will be intense.

What is with the elevated structure over the power line ROW on St Johns Heritage?

I have no idea...it took me weeks to figure out that the west side ramps were up close TIGHT to I-95, which had something to do with the power lines.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: cw321 on August 09, 2020, 04:19:11 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on August 08, 2020, 03:09:05 PM
I had a chance to access the new interchange with I-95 at Ellis Road in Melbourne, it's between the CR 518 (Eau Gallie Blvd) and US 192 exits. The interchange is actually a combo diamond/loop (NB off, SB off and on are diamond ramps, the NB on is a loop ramp that services both directions. I have no idea why they didn't just do a full diamond, but whatever).

There is a residential neighborhood on the NE corner of the 95/Ellis intersection that prevents a diamond on-ramp to the interstate.


Quote from: DeaconG on August 08, 2020, 03:09:05 PM
On the other hand, if they don't widen Ellis Road RIGHT NOW all they've done is create a mess that will be evident in another year. You're already funneling the four lanes of NASA Blvd that goes to/from the airport into a two-lane Ellis Road at Wickham Road, it's already a PITA during rush hour and when folks realize it now ties into I-95, it will get worse if they don't four lane it between John Rodes and Wickham. This time next year, the screaming will be intense.

Space Coast TPO lists the Ellis Road widening project as their #1 priority.  https://spacecoasttpo.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/2020-Adopted-Project-Priorities.pdf (https://spacecoasttpo.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/2020-Adopted-Project-Priorities.pdf)  However, they are only in ROW acquisition phase and a number of years away from completing the widening project.

The bypass of Minton for Palm Bay/Emerson traffic to points on Wickham Road is nice, but hopefully the interchange will relieve the rush hour backups at 192/John Rodes and Eau Gallie/John Rodes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on August 10, 2020, 11:46:52 PM
^^^Welcome to AA Roads!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on August 10, 2020, 11:54:13 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on August 10, 2020, 11:46:52 PM
^^^Welcome to AA Roads!
^^^Good to see someone else from the 321 area code! ;)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on August 11, 2020, 09:21:42 AM
[Catching up from a few weeks ago...] Made our last trip from Apollo Beach (kids move to Baton Rouge for a new job), so will miss actually getting to use the Baldwin Bypass (although did enjoy going around Starke at 70). When last through there, the southern end was being configured and tied into the existing roads and ramps (I-10 interchange work isn't done YET). Southbound traffic jogs right on what will be the connector road into Balwin (there will be a four-way intersection there with Brandy Branch Rd.) then veers left on the tail of the bypass road. Northbound traffic weaves along the existing roadway as the direct connection to the bypass is built. Nothing has changed at the north end, there is still a hard right turn from the access road onto the southbound lane, which is two-way for some distance (why traffic can't turn onto the completed northbound lanes is a mystery, but most of Florida road construction is baffling). It does appear that completion of the bypass may come pretty soon (unless they pull a Starke and keep changing the date on the signs as the only progress toward a finish).

Bruce in Blacksburg, Va.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: cw321 on August 12, 2020, 02:07:16 PM
I-95 Exit 166 at St. Johns Heritage Parkway is now open according to https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2020/08/11/palm-bay-officials-celebrate-opening-95-st-johns-heritage-parkway-interchange/3297989001/ .  The exit has been marked "EXIT CLOSED" since August 2019.  FDOT completed the interchange but the City of Palm Bay was on the hook for completing the link between the interchange and the Parkway.  Hopefully I can get out and drive the intersection this weekend.

Thanks for the welcome.  Long time lurker.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 28, 2020, 10:07:57 AM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on August 06, 2020, 01:41:23 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on August 06, 2020, 10:21:20 AM
Is this an old image of the Welcome Center on I-95 or on FL SR 200?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Florida_Welcome_Center,_Yulee,_Florida_LCCN2017712561.tif (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Florida_Welcome_Center,_Yulee,_Florida_LCCN2017712561.tif)



Because FDOT may give the address of the one on I-95 as being in Yulee, but it's a little too far north.
I think that's the old one on US 17!
Okay, so what's there now?

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: cw321 on August 28, 2020, 12:17:55 PM
The I-4 Ultimate project posted two videos on YouTube comparing the current state today to 2014.

I-4 Eastbound: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHt9lgxL1xk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHt9lgxL1xk)

I-4 Westbound: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aebYAX1kBiI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aebYAX1kBiI)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 29, 2020, 10:38:10 AM
The Kirkman interchange on I- 4 is almost completed. In fact the whole Ultimate minus the express lane flyover is practically done in the Universal and Conroy area. Crews are putting down the permanent asphalt layer in that part right now.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 02, 2020, 11:05:24 PM
The Baldwin Bypass for US 301 that has been in the construction phase for 6.5 years is got signs up at its north end. The bypass arterial will be signed US 301 BY PASS and the existing will remain as mainline US 301.

The reconfigurations of both terminus intersections is done on the north end but on the south end it's coming any day.

Also I waited 20 minutes for a hundred or more car train moving slowly to enter the rail yard to the south of it on the US 90 and 301 overlap. It seems FDOT is taking way too long along with the I-10 and US 301 exchange to be reconfigured. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: HTM Duke on September 15, 2020, 10:55:30 PM
^
I can confirm that the bypass is now open, with some late stage construction work still ongoing at the southern tie-in to 301.  I got stopped at the train crossing on 90 west, and it was traffic on 90 alone providing the backup, as I saw maybe 2-3 cars come down 301 south.  This led me to wonder if the bypass was open, so I took a quick detour down 301 south, then picked up the bypass north back to 90.

An idea for FDOT: with the bypass now open, perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea to provide signage showing an alternate route for traffic on 90 when a train is passing through.  (i.e., 90 west: right at 301 north, left at 301 bypass south, right at 90 west; and vice-versa.)  Also would need a way to ensure the intersection of 90 and 301 remains clear to let traffic through.

Also, a quick question.  I was out clinching FL-230, and there were a couple of unused bridges that appeared to be of the same vintage as the ones the road used.  Was there a plan once upon a time to widen 230 down to Camp Blanding's west gate?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 16, 2020, 12:43:47 AM
Quote from: HTM Duke on September 15, 2020, 10:55:30 PM
This led me to wonder if the bypass was open, so I took a quick detour down 301 south, then picked up the bypass north back to 90.

It opened on the 13th.

http://nflroads.com/ProjectDetails?p=5035

QuoteThe bypass opened to traffic Sunday, September 13. Drivers traveling north from the I-10 bridge will now stop at the new signalized intersection at Brandy Branch Road and continue north to the old U.S. 301 lanes through the Town of Baldwin or continue north on the newly constructed State Road 201/Baldwin Bypass to existing U.S. 301. The new south connector of State Road 201/Baldwin Bypass is also open to traffic.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on September 16, 2020, 01:06:41 PM
https://www.wmar2news.com/news/national/hurricane-sally-leaves-section-of-three-mile-bridge-missing-in-pensacola

Well... that means another year or two of construction on this bridge...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: HemiCRZ on September 16, 2020, 01:36:43 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 16, 2020, 01:06:41 PM
https://www.wmar2news.com/news/national/hurricane-sally-leaves-section-of-three-mile-bridge-missing-in-pensacola

Well... that means another year or two of construction on this bridge...

I cannot believe that any contractor in their right mind left equipment out in the water with a hurricane approaching. Maybe this is standard practice in Florida, but I know in Mississippi, MDOT will order all equipment removed from any project site and any lane closures are to be suspended when a hurricane approaches.

Seems to me letting a barge destroy this bridge is negligence.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 16, 2020, 03:36:17 PM
Is there a modern version of this sign?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Photograph_of_a_road_sign_along_the_highway_in_Key_West,_Florida,_announcing_the_beginning_of_U.S._Route_1_to_Fort..._-_NARA_-_200542.jpg


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on September 17, 2020, 02:43:20 PM
Quote from: HemiCRZ on September 16, 2020, 01:36:43 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 16, 2020, 01:06:41 PM
https://www.wmar2news.com/news/national/hurricane-sally-leaves-section-of-three-mile-bridge-missing-in-pensacola

Well... that means another year or two of construction on this bridge...

I cannot believe that any contractor in their right mind left equipment out in the water with a hurricane approaching. Maybe this is standard practice in Florida, but I know in Mississippi, MDOT will order all equipment removed from any project site and any lane closures are to be suspended when a hurricane approaches.

Seems to me letting a barge destroy this bridge is negligence.

I saw that and had flashbacks of Jeanne is 2004 when the westbound bridge on the Beachline over the Banana River was wrecked because of a barge left there by the owner. Oh yeah...that owner paid BIG TIME.

Hell, I've seen abandoned boats washed up at the Pineda Causeway get left there for MONTHS. It's Florida.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 17, 2020, 09:29:24 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on September 16, 2020, 01:06:41 PM
https://www.wmar2news.com/news/national/hurricane-sally-leaves-section-of-three-mile-bridge-missing-in-pensacola

Well... that means another year or two of construction on this bridge...
I saw some of that footage today, and I thought, "Oh, Christ! Don't tell me I-10 got wrecked again!" I didn't know what bridge, or bridges were wrecked from this.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 19, 2020, 12:29:31 AM
Quote from: HTM Duke on September 15, 2020, 10:55:30 PM
^
I can confirm that the bypass is now open, with some late stage construction work still ongoing at the southern tie-in to 301.  I got stopped at the train crossing on 90 west, and it was traffic on 90 alone providing the backup, as I saw maybe 2-3 cars come down 301 south.  This led me to wonder if the bypass was open, so I took a quick detour down 301 south, then picked up the bypass north back to 90.

An idea for FDOT: with the bypass now open, perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea to provide signage showing an alternate route for traffic on 90 when a train is passing through.  (i.e., 90 west: right at 301 north, left at 301 bypass south, right at 90 west; and vice-versa.)  Also would need a way to ensure the intersection of 90 and 301 remains clear to let traffic through.

Just out of curiosity, did FDOT put up any FL-201 shields with the US-301 Bypass shields?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: HTM Duke on September 19, 2020, 09:21:09 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 19, 2020, 12:29:31 AM
Quote from: HTM Duke on September 15, 2020, 10:55:30 PM
^
I can confirm that the bypass is now open, with some late stage construction work still ongoing at the southern tie-in to 301.  I got stopped at the train crossing on 90 west, and it was traffic on 90 alone providing the backup, as I saw maybe 2-3 cars come down 301 south.  This led me to wonder if the bypass was open, so I took a quick detour down 301 south, then picked up the bypass north back to 90.

An idea for FDOT: with the bypass now open, perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea to provide signage showing an alternate route for traffic on 90 when a train is passing through.  (i.e., 90 west: right at 301 north, left at 301 bypass south, right at 90 west; and vice-versa.)  Also would need a way to ensure the intersection of 90 and 301 remains clear to let traffic through.

Just out of curiosity, did FDOT put up any FL-201 shields with the US-301 Bypass shields?

No, I did not see any.

And if anyone's interested, some signage has been installed for the Gateway Expwy project in Pinellas County.  First is on FL-688 east approaching the future FL-686A interchange; the second on CR-611 south approaching the FL-686 interchange; lastly, new signage has been erected along FL-686 west approaching CR-611, over the future westbound lanes.  Also, it appears the abutments and piers have been built for the future flyover of CR-611, but I think any further work will happen once the FL-688 overpass is finished.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 29, 2020, 07:35:11 PM
Not sure if it's been mentioned here (or elsewhere), but the wonderful Starke Alt 301 bypass now features a 70 mph limit!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Rushmeister on October 09, 2020, 10:24:12 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on September 16, 2020, 03:36:17 PM
Is there a modern version of this sign?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Photograph_of_a_road_sign_along_the_highway_in_Key_West,_Florida,_announcing_the_beginning_of_U.S._Route_1_to_Fort..._-_NARA_-_200542.jpg

What a great photo!  If I'm correct about the location of this photo, there is no modern version of that sign.  I believe the picture was taken very near 3500 N Roosevelt Blvd.  By the 1970s, the area south of the road had been completely filled in and well-developed with homes and businesses.  (I stayed in a hotel about a mile from there a year ago.  Wish I was there right now.)   
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 10, 2020, 10:48:51 AM
I saw that video posted on Sept. 25 about the Selmon Expressway extension over Gandy Blvd along with some recents photos.
https://selmonextension.com/photos/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43a31olSdtY
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on October 14, 2020, 11:33:55 AM
Quote from: Rushmeister on October 09, 2020, 10:24:12 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on September 16, 2020, 03:36:17 PM
Is there a modern version of this sign?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Photograph_of_a_road_sign_along_the_highway_in_Key_West,_Florida,_announcing_the_beginning_of_U.S._Route_1_to_Fort..._-_NARA_-_200542.jpg

What a great photo!  If I'm correct about the location of this photo, there is no modern version of that sign.  I believe the picture was taken very near 3500 N Roosevelt Blvd.  By the 1970s, the area south of the road had been completely filled in and well-developed with homes and businesses.  (I stayed in a hotel about a mile from there a year ago.  Wish I was there right now.)   


Now the salt pond is filled in with businesses to the right. My photo of its 1990 version has a car dealer to the right of it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Plutonic Panda on October 20, 2020, 01:22:12 AM
I've mentioned it before but I'll say it again, damn florida has tons and tons of Troopers along I-10 in the panhandle. I think this stretch of interstate has to be the heaviest patrolled I've ever experienced though I haven't really been north east or north west at all. But I've traveled I-10 in NW florida about 5 times now and each time I spot dozens of police driving, hiding out, or conducting a traffic stop. Is there a high rate of crashes here?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on October 20, 2020, 05:47:23 AM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 20, 2020, 01:22:12 AM
I’ve mentioned it before but I’ll say it again, damn florida has tons and tons of Troopers along I-10 in the panhandle. I think this stretch of interstate has to be the heaviest patrolled I’ve ever experienced though I haven’t really been north east or north west at all. But I’ve traveled I-10 in NW florida about 5 times now and each time I spot dozens of police driving, hiding out, or conducting a traffic stop. Is there a high rate of crashes here?

Florida Highway Patrol and county Sheriffs just like to fleece speeders, find drunk drivers, and check truckers. Expect one speed trap every 30-45 minutes, or anywhere there might be construction.

(Psst...they can't write anything but a warning for 5 or less over the limit, unless it's a work or school zone.)

I think the only other place else with a high rate of patrolmen is the Indiana Toll Road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Plutonic Panda on October 20, 2020, 11:02:34 AM
The thing I don't notice them so much on I-4, I-75 or I-95. Granted I've been as far south as I-4 connects to I-95 and I-75. In fact, rarely so I see them on I-4 at all but again I've only been in florida 5 times. Just bizarre to me how many I see on I-10 west of Jax. I mean I see more police on that stretch than I'll see on the entire rest of the trip from OKC to florida state line alone.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on October 20, 2020, 08:16:15 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 20, 2020, 01:22:12 AM
I've mentioned it before but I'll say it again, damn florida has tons and tons of Troopers along I-10 in the panhandle. I think this stretch of interstate has to be the heaviest patrolled I've ever experienced though I haven't really been north east or north west at all. But I've traveled I-10 in NW florida about 5 times now and each time I spot dozens of police driving, hiding out, or conducting a traffic stop. Is there a high rate of crashes here?

Anytime I've driven through there, there were no cops to be seen. And everyone knew it , and was driving 90 MPH
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: bdmoss88 on November 19, 2020, 06:43:16 PM
Saw this going through Milton, FL today.


https://www.google.com/maps/@30.6241209,-87.043173,3a,15y,189.23h,88.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sV-VYKuhHko4LQAMbuG_LyA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on November 21, 2020, 05:08:33 PM
While I was scanning through US BUS 1 in St. Augustine, I saw this interesting sign arrangement at the north end of the overlap with FL A1A.
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9095502,-81.3204352,3a,75y,257.22h,90.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPnX_KtvyTCceM0JWmxGGgA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9095502,-81.3204352,3a,75y,257.22h,90.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPnX_KtvyTCceM0JWmxGGgA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en)

I also saw an aerial shot of some construction there. Am I to believe this sign arrangement won't exist there anymore once the project is completed?


Edited for apostrophe.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: CoreySamson on November 21, 2020, 05:13:22 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on November 21, 2020, 05:08:33 PM
While I was scanning through US BUS 1 in St. Augustine, I saw this interesting sign arrangement at the north end of the overlap with FL A1A.
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9095502,-81.3204352,3a,75y,257.22h,90.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPnX_KtvyTCceM0JWmxGGgA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9095502,-81.3204352,3a,75y,257.22h,90.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPnX_KtvyTCceM0JWmxGGgA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en)

I also saw an aerial shot of some construction there. Am I to believe this sign arrangement won't exist there anymore once the project is completed?


Edited for apostrophe.

The BCH abbreviation for Beach looks like a cuss word.  :-D
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: UCFKnights on December 03, 2020, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: formulanone on October 20, 2020, 05:47:23 AM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 20, 2020, 01:22:12 AM
I've mentioned it before but I'll say it again, damn florida has tons and tons of Troopers along I-10 in the panhandle. I think this stretch of interstate has to be the heaviest patrolled I've ever experienced though I haven't really been north east or north west at all. But I've traveled I-10 in NW florida about 5 times now and each time I spot dozens of police driving, hiding out, or conducting a traffic stop. Is there a high rate of crashes here?

Florida Highway Patrol and county Sheriffs just like to fleece speeders, find drunk drivers, and check truckers. Expect one speed trap every 30-45 minutes, or anywhere there might be construction.

(Psst...they can't write anything but a warning for 5 or less over the limit, unless it's a work or school zone.)

I think the only other place else with a high rate of patrolmen is the Indiana Toll Road.
Florida has drastically cut down its speed traps the last couple years as speed traps have been found to be systemically racist. I used to remember cops sitting with laser guns on the side of the road all the time, and now, I honestly can't even remember the last time I've seen that. Now they're usually more in the "BOLO" stance without just staring at the number on a speed detection device and they don't seem to be pulling people over generally for 10 over anymore.... I mean you wiz by much faster then the rest of traffic they'll get you, but if you're 1-2mph faster then everyone else, much officers/departments seem to no longer care anymore. They're a lot more into drunk drivers and truckers now. My understanding is the previous incentive system based on number of tickets has been replaced by one based on number of DUIs
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 16, 2020, 06:11:50 AM
Okay, there's something I have to bring up. On I-4 there was a sign approaching the eastbound Seminole County rest area telling motorists that it was the last rest area on I-4.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EB_I-4;_Last_Rest_Area.jpg

But on my recent excursion into the Sunshine Skyway Bridge and Polk County, I found another sign like that approaching the eastbound Polk County rest area. Does that mean the eastbound Seminole County one will be closed permanently, or is this just a temporary measure while they rebuild the Seminole County one?





Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on December 16, 2020, 06:58:00 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on December 16, 2020, 06:11:50 AM
Okay, there's something I have to bring up. On I-4 there was a sign approaching the eastbound Seminole County rest area telling motorists that it was the last rest area on I-4.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EB_I-4;_Last_Rest_Area.jpg (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EB_I-4;_Last_Rest_Area.jpg)

But on my recent excursion into the Sunshine Skyway Bridge and Polk County, I found another sign like that approaching the eastbound Polk County rest area. Does that mean the eastbound Seminole County one will be closed permanently, or is this just a temporary measure while they rebuild the Seminole County one?
AFAIK, it was supposed to be closed to motorists (that is, cars and trailers, not trucks, for whom the facility will be converted into a parking area/facility) at the beginning of this year. From what I understand, people who live in the surrounding area had been calling on FDOT to close the facility since at least three years ago.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 16, 2020, 06:25:48 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on December 16, 2020, 06:58:00 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on December 16, 2020, 06:11:50 AM
Okay, there's something I have to bring up. On I-4 there was a sign approaching the eastbound Seminole County rest area telling motorists that it was the last rest area on I-4.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EB_I-4;_Last_Rest_Area.jpg (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EB_I-4;_Last_Rest_Area.jpg)

But on my recent excursion into the Sunshine Skyway Bridge and Polk County, I found another sign like that approaching the eastbound Polk County rest area. Does that mean the eastbound Seminole County one will be closed permanently, or is this just a temporary measure while they rebuild the Seminole County one?
AFAIK, it was supposed to be closed to motorists (that is, cars and trailers, not trucks, for whom the facility will be converted into a parking area/facility) at the beginning of this year. From what I understand, people who live in the surrounding area had been calling on FDOT to close the facility since at least three years ago.
Well that sucks! So unless you're a trucker, I-4's quaint little pocket is officially dead!
:-(
I suppose they'll tear down the main building and provide no bathrooms just like SCDOT.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on December 16, 2020, 07:00:03 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on December 16, 2020, 06:25:48 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on December 16, 2020, 06:58:00 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on December 16, 2020, 06:11:50 AM
Okay, there's something I have to bring up. On I-4 there was a sign approaching the eastbound Seminole County rest area telling motorists that it was the last rest area on I-4.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EB_I-4;_Last_Rest_Area.jpg (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EB_I-4;_Last_Rest_Area.jpg)

But on my recent excursion into the Sunshine Skyway Bridge and Polk County, I found another sign like that approaching the eastbound Polk County rest area. Does that mean the eastbound Seminole County one will be closed permanently, or is this just a temporary measure while they rebuild the Seminole County one?
AFAIK, it was supposed to be closed to motorists (that is, cars and trailers, not trucks, for whom the facility will be converted into a parking area/facility) at the beginning of this year. From what I understand, people who live in the surrounding area had been calling on FDOT to close the facility since at least three years ago.
Well that sucks! So unless you're a trucker, I-4's quaint little pocket is officially dead!
:(
I suppose they'll tear down the main building and provide no bathrooms just like SCDOT.
I'm afraid so. Shame, because I was surprised to see it close down like that. Oh well...

Wait, so it's been around a decade since SCDOT closed those rest areas? I hadn't known that prior to a Google search.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 17, 2020, 12:17:32 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on December 16, 2020, 06:25:48 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on December 16, 2020, 06:58:00 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on December 16, 2020, 06:11:50 AM
Okay, there's something I have to bring up. On I-4 there was a sign approaching the eastbound Seminole County rest area telling motorists that it was the last rest area on I-4.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EB_I-4;_Last_Rest_Area.jpg (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EB_I-4;_Last_Rest_Area.jpg)

But on my recent excursion into the Sunshine Skyway Bridge and Polk County, I found another sign like that approaching the eastbound Polk County rest area. Does that mean the eastbound Seminole County one will be closed permanently, or is this just a temporary measure while they rebuild the Seminole County one?
AFAIK, it was supposed to be closed to motorists (that is, cars and trailers, not trucks, for whom the facility will be converted into a parking area/facility) at the beginning of this year. From what I understand, people who live in the surrounding area had been calling on FDOT to close the facility since at least three years ago.
Well that sucks! So unless you're a trucker, I-4's quaint little pocket is officially dead!
:-(
I suppose they'll tear down the main building and provide no bathrooms just like SCDOT.




Hey NJ did the same on I-80 and the only Rest Area on I-287. They said FU to cars  but Trucks are okay to have a parking facility for.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on December 17, 2020, 04:21:53 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 17, 2020, 12:17:32 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on December 16, 2020, 06:25:48 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on December 16, 2020, 06:58:00 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on December 16, 2020, 06:11:50 AM
Okay, there's something I have to bring up. On I-4 there was a sign approaching the eastbound Seminole County rest area telling motorists that it was the last rest area on I-4.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EB_I-4;_Last_Rest_Area.jpg (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EB_I-4;_Last_Rest_Area.jpg)

But on my recent excursion into the Sunshine Skyway Bridge and Polk County, I found another sign like that approaching the eastbound Polk County rest area. Does that mean the eastbound Seminole County one will be closed permanently, or is this just a temporary measure while they rebuild the Seminole County one?
AFAIK, it was supposed to be closed to motorists (that is, cars and trailers, not trucks, for whom the facility will be converted into a parking area/facility) at the beginning of this year. From what I understand, people who live in the surrounding area had been calling on FDOT to close the facility since at least three years ago.
Well that sucks! So unless you're a trucker, I-4's quaint little pocket is officially dead!
:(
I suppose they'll tear down the main building and provide no bathrooms just like SCDOT.




Hey NJ did the same on I-80 and the only Rest Area on I-287. They said FU to cars  but Trucks are okay to have a parking facility for.
I recall that happening on I-287, as that was how we'd visit in-laws out-of-state growing up. I-80 we rarely use, though my dad would've said something about hanging out on it while it was under construction.

I also recall that happening on I-295, as that was how I went to school at a certain point in my childhood.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: edwaleni on December 17, 2020, 10:04:11 AM
Quote from: UCFKnights on December 03, 2020, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: formulanone on October 20, 2020, 05:47:23 AM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 20, 2020, 01:22:12 AM
I've mentioned it before but I'll say it again, damn florida has tons and tons of Troopers along I-10 in the panhandle. I think this stretch of interstate has to be the heaviest patrolled I've ever experienced though I haven't really been north east or north west at all. But I've traveled I-10 in NW florida about 5 times now and each time I spot dozens of police driving, hiding out, or conducting a traffic stop. Is there a high rate of crashes here?

Florida Highway Patrol and county Sheriffs just like to fleece speeders, find drunk drivers, and check truckers. Expect one speed trap every 30-45 minutes, or anywhere there might be construction.

(Psst...they can't write anything but a warning for 5 or less over the limit, unless it's a work or school zone.)

I think the only other place else with a high rate of patrolmen is the Indiana Toll Road.
Florida has drastically cut down its speed traps the last couple years as speed traps have been found to be systemically racist. I used to remember cops sitting with laser guns on the side of the road all the time, and now, I honestly can't even remember the last time I've seen that. Now they're usually more in the "BOLO" stance without just staring at the number on a speed detection device and they don't seem to be pulling people over generally for 10 over anymore.... I mean you wiz by much faster then the rest of traffic they'll get you, but if you're 1-2mph faster then everyone else, much officers/departments seem to no longer care anymore. They're a lot more into drunk drivers and truckers now. My understanding is the previous incentive system based on number of tickets has been replaced by one based on number of DUIs

Except around Tallahassee, I-10 is one of the most boring drives across Florida.  The problem is that it is almost completely bordered by forests. There are few billboards and even the rural exits have little businesses. Because of this people drive very fast across it to reduce the time and boredom.

I have driven the deserts of the west, the interminable flat land of west Kansas and across the salt flats, but I find this a tougher drive because there is very little for your eye to take on when driving. And because the forests are right up to the ROW fence line, you can't see anything beyond it.

That leaves you 2 choices, speed or turn up your stereo to keep & maintain your attention level.

Also "flashing of headlights" to warn of patrols ahead is illegal in Florida now. So when I-10 was busy with patrols, there was always a lot of flashing going on, but that has stopped when the law was changed (stupidly I might ask).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jaxrunner on December 17, 2020, 10:59:13 AM
I've driven that stretch of I 10 between Jacksonville and the pandhandle numerous times. I too have noticed FHP pulling people over around Tallahassee. I honestly think I 10 should raise the speed limit to 75 like Texas and maybe raise it to see 80 like west Texas. There really isn't much local traffic on I 10 outside of Pensacola, Tallahassee, and Jacksonville. The highway is a nice drive although I would like to see 6 lanes expanded in parts.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 17, 2020, 01:15:52 PM
Personally, I think the area through Osceola State Forest is kind of fascinating, including near the Olustee Battlefield Historic State Park. Mainly due to the National Forest obtuse inverted trapezoid signs at the rest areas and the retractable signs on the BGS's at Exit 324.


Getting back to I-4 for the moment, I keep thinking Florida SR 546 used to be part of that route until it was extended east of Lakeland in 1960. I also know that for years what is now Exit 28 used to have only an eastbound exit and westbound entrance. The trouble is, there's no coverage of it on Historic Aerials (as good as they often are) between 1944 and 1962, and I really haven't found that much on the opening of the segment between Plant City and Lakeland in 1959.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 02 Park Ave on December 17, 2020, 07:27:56 PM
What is the status regarding Florida's Turnpike joining E-ZPass?  Their announcement stated that it would take place by the end of the year.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on December 20, 2020, 10:32:56 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on December 17, 2020, 10:04:11 AM
....

Also "flashing of headlights" to warn of patrols ahead is illegal in Florida now. So when I-10 was busy with patrols, there was always a lot of flashing going on, but that has stopped when the law was changed (stupidly I might ask).

Highly questionable whether that law is actually enforceable due to First Amendment issues.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on December 20, 2020, 11:52:51 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 20, 2020, 10:32:56 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on December 17, 2020, 10:04:11 AM
....

Also "flashing of headlights" to warn of patrols ahead is illegal in Florida now. So when I-10 was busy with patrols, there was always a lot of flashing going on, but that has stopped when the law was changed (stupidly I might ask).

Highly questionable whether that law is actually enforceable due to First Amendment issues.

I think there's an extremely wide gray area between "hey, there's an accident/deer up ahead, I'll warn them" and "that driver is a psychotic distraction" to be enforceable.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: democratic nole on December 20, 2020, 05:45:15 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on October 10, 2020, 10:48:51 AM
I saw that video posted on Sept. 25 about the Selmon Expressway extension over Gandy Blvd along with some recents photos.
https://selmonextension.com/photos/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43a31olSdtY
This project is so peak-Florida: an elevataed two-lane (because, you know we can't do 4, even though places like LA can) toll road (because again, residents here have been lied to so they think that freeway capacity can't be done without tolls) that would likely be functionally obsolete within 5 years of opening.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: UCFKnights on December 20, 2020, 08:07:11 PM
Quote from: democratic nole on December 20, 2020, 05:45:15 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on October 10, 2020, 10:48:51 AM
I saw that video posted on Sept. 25 about the Selmon Expressway extension over Gandy Blvd along with some recents photos.
https://selmonextension.com/photos/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43a31olSdtY
This project is so peak-Florida: an elevataed two-lane (because, you know we can't do 4, even though places like LA can) toll road (because again, residents here have been lied to so they think that freeway capacity can't be done without tolls) that would likely be functionally obsolete within 5 years of opening.
LA is no doubt a bigger city. I think the elevated express lanes significantly improved the traffic massively in that area. These tolled express lanes have proven to be extremely popular among Floridians, with satisfaction among both sides of the political isle along with a profit being turned and increasing average travel speed of both free/standard lanes and the express lanes. Additional freeway capacity needs funding from somewhere, and optional express tolls have proven much more popular then additional mainline tolls, raising the gas tax, increasing vehicle fees, increasing property taxes, or charging a transportation sales tax, which are the other alternatives that other areas do to avoid tolls. Since the express lanes feel entirely optional and its a price to save a couple of minutes, pretty much everyone seems satisfied with them, whereas every other alternative will force someone to pay who really doesn't want to.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: democratic nole on December 20, 2020, 08:33:23 PM
Quote from: UCFKnights on December 20, 2020, 08:07:11 PM
Quote from: democratic nole on December 20, 2020, 05:45:15 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on October 10, 2020, 10:48:51 AM
I saw that video posted on Sept. 25 about the Selmon Expressway extension over Gandy Blvd along with some recents photos.
https://selmonextension.com/photos/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43a31olSdtY
This project is so peak-Florida: an elevataed two-lane (because, you know we can't do 4, even though places like LA can) toll road (because again, residents here have been lied to so they think that freeway capacity can't be done without tolls) that would likely be functionally obsolete within 5 years of opening.
LA is no doubt a bigger city. I think the elevated express lanes significantly improved the traffic massively in that area. These tolled express lanes have proven to be extremely popular among Floridians, with satisfaction among both sides of the political isle along with a profit being turned and increasing average travel speed of both free/standard lanes and the express lanes. Additional freeway capacity needs funding from somewhere, and optional express tolls have proven much more popular then additional mainline tolls, raising the gas tax, increasing vehicle fees, increasing property taxes, or charging a transportation sales tax, which are the other alternatives that other areas do to avoid tolls. Since the express lanes feel entirely optional and its a price to save a couple of minutes, pretty much everyone seems satisfied with them, whereas every other alternative will force someone to pay who really doesn't want to.
A couple of things:
-- The Gateway Express, right across the bridge in St. Pete, will have a four-lane elevated portion over 118th. There's really no excuse for Tampa's failure to plan for the future. I haven't been against the project, but it is typical Florida roadbuilding: decades late, overpriced, and functionally obsolete almost from the start.
-- I am not sure where you are getting the information that express tolls typically poll well. As an example: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2019/01/102511-big-surprise-congestion-pricing-tolls-dont-poll-well (https://www.planetizen.com/news/2019/01/102511-big-surprise-congestion-pricing-tolls-dont-poll-well). The answer is it really depends on the community. Even in Florida, express tolls have not been well-received. Tampa has blocked their installation on 275 for about five years now (city council even unanimously voted against any tolls on interstates within the city) and Miami has pushed back against express toll lanes. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/traffic/article237883019.html (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/traffic/article237883019.html). The M-CORES plan to add a bunch of new toll roads polls very poorly. https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/politics/2020/10/22/exclusive-spectrum-news-ipsos-poll-expanding-florida-toll-road-system (https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/politics/2020/10/22/exclusive-spectrum-news-ipsos-poll-expanding-florida-toll-road-system)
-- Toll roads in many cases do not make a profit. For example, the Suncoast Pkwy. has consistently failed to meet revenue projections and been a drain on the budget. https://www.tampabay.com/news/growth/getting-it-wrong-suncoast-parkway-set-to-expand-even-as-it-fails-to-meet/2264338/ (https://www.tampabay.com/news/growth/getting-it-wrong-suncoast-parkway-set-to-expand-even-as-it-fails-to-meet/2264338/)
-- When toll roads go belly up, it is taxpayers overall that are stuck holding the bag. https://www.thenewspaper.com/news/69/6932.asp (https://www.thenewspaper.com/news/69/6932.asp)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: UCFKnights on December 21, 2020, 11:10:54 AM
Quote from: democratic nole on December 20, 2020, 08:33:23 PM
Quote from: UCFKnights on December 20, 2020, 08:07:11 PM
Quote from: democratic nole on December 20, 2020, 05:45:15 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on October 10, 2020, 10:48:51 AM
I saw that video posted on Sept. 25 about the Selmon Expressway extension over Gandy Blvd along with some recents photos.
https://selmonextension.com/photos/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43a31olSdtY
This project is so peak-Florida: an elevataed two-lane (because, you know we can't do 4, even though places like LA can) toll road (because again, residents here have been lied to so they think that freeway capacity can't be done without tolls) that would likely be functionally obsolete within 5 years of opening.
LA is no doubt a bigger city. I think the elevated express lanes significantly improved the traffic massively in that area. These tolled express lanes have proven to be extremely popular among Floridians, with satisfaction among both sides of the political isle along with a profit being turned and increasing average travel speed of both free/standard lanes and the express lanes. Additional freeway capacity needs funding from somewhere, and optional express tolls have proven much more popular then additional mainline tolls, raising the gas tax, increasing vehicle fees, increasing property taxes, or charging a transportation sales tax, which are the other alternatives that other areas do to avoid tolls. Since the express lanes feel entirely optional and its a price to save a couple of minutes, pretty much everyone seems satisfied with them, whereas every other alternative will force someone to pay who really doesn't want to.
A couple of things:
-- The Gateway Express, right across the bridge in St. Pete, will have a four-lane elevated portion over 118th. There's really no excuse for Tampa's failure to plan for the future. I haven't been against the project, but it is typical Florida roadbuilding: decades late, overpriced, and functionally obsolete almost from the start.
-- I am not sure where you are getting the information that express tolls typically poll well. As an example: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2019/01/102511-big-surprise-congestion-pricing-tolls-dont-poll-well (https://www.planetizen.com/news/2019/01/102511-big-surprise-congestion-pricing-tolls-dont-poll-well). The answer is it really depends on the community. Even in Florida, express tolls have not been well-received. Tampa has blocked their installation on 275 for about five years now (city council even unanimously voted against any tolls on interstates within the city) and Miami has pushed back against express toll lanes. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/traffic/article237883019.html (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/traffic/article237883019.html). The M-CORES plan to add a bunch of new toll roads polls very poorly. https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/politics/2020/10/22/exclusive-spectrum-news-ipsos-poll-expanding-florida-toll-road-system (https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/politics/2020/10/22/exclusive-spectrum-news-ipsos-poll-expanding-florida-toll-road-system)
-- Toll roads in many cases do not make a profit. For example, the Suncoast Pkwy. has consistently failed to meet revenue projections and been a drain on the budget. https://www.tampabay.com/news/growth/getting-it-wrong-suncoast-parkway-set-to-expand-even-as-it-fails-to-meet/2264338/ (https://www.tampabay.com/news/growth/getting-it-wrong-suncoast-parkway-set-to-expand-even-as-it-fails-to-meet/2264338/)
-- When toll roads go belly up, it is taxpayers overall that are stuck holding the bag. https://www.thenewspaper.com/news/69/6932.asp (https://www.thenewspaper.com/news/69/6932.asp)
Your Seattle example had congestion pricing opposed by 61% of people, vs 73% opposed to toll the entire road. They didn't survey other funding options, such as increasing sales tax, property taxes, or gas taxes. Any time you increase fees the vast majority people oppose that, especially if the question is presented without context.

No roads that are not toll roads make a profit at all, ever. Just as you're saying taxpayers are stuck holding the bag if the tolls go belly up, taxpayers are ALSO stuck holding the bag if there is no tolls at all installed on a roadway.

To prove your point, we'd need to do a poll asking the question not based on popularity, but based on a choice of alternatives:

In order to fund 2 new lanes on your city's congested highway, would you prefer it be funded by:
- Tolls only on 2 new express ways while the existing lanes remain free
- Tolls (with lower rates) installed on ALL lanes of the freeway with NO free lanes
- Increasing property taxes, and thus rents, within the area to fund the project
- Increasing the sales tax within the area to fund the project
- Increasing gas taxes within the area to fund the project

My guess is the results would mirror the order I posted them in order of preference, but all choices would be unpopular. Obviously having it funded by magic or by some tax that I don't have to pay would be everyone's first choice. And a no-build alternative would vary completely on every project and how much each person uses said roadway.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: democratic nole on December 21, 2020, 11:56:27 AM
Quote from: UCFKnights on December 21, 2020, 11:10:54 AM
Quote from: democratic nole on December 20, 2020, 08:33:23 PM
Quote from: UCFKnights on December 20, 2020, 08:07:11 PM
Quote from: democratic nole on December 20, 2020, 05:45:15 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on October 10, 2020, 10:48:51 AM
I saw that video posted on Sept. 25 about the Selmon Expressway extension over Gandy Blvd along with some recents photos.
https://selmonextension.com/photos/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43a31olSdtY
This project is so peak-Florida: an elevataed two-lane (because, you know we can't do 4, even though places like LA can) toll road (because again, residents here have been lied to so they think that freeway capacity can't be done without tolls) that would likely be functionally obsolete within 5 years of opening.
LA is no doubt a bigger city. I think the elevated express lanes significantly improved the traffic massively in that area. These tolled express lanes have proven to be extremely popular among Floridians, with satisfaction among both sides of the political isle along with a profit being turned and increasing average travel speed of both free/standard lanes and the express lanes. Additional freeway capacity needs funding from somewhere, and optional express tolls have proven much more popular then additional mainline tolls, raising the gas tax, increasing vehicle fees, increasing property taxes, or charging a transportation sales tax, which are the other alternatives that other areas do to avoid tolls. Since the express lanes feel entirely optional and its a price to save a couple of minutes, pretty much everyone seems satisfied with them, whereas every other alternative will force someone to pay who really doesn't want to.
A couple of things:
-- The Gateway Express, right across the bridge in St. Pete, will have a four-lane elevated portion over 118th. There's really no excuse for Tampa's failure to plan for the future. I haven't been against the project, but it is typical Florida roadbuilding: decades late, overpriced, and functionally obsolete almost from the start.
-- I am not sure where you are getting the information that express tolls typically poll well. As an example: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2019/01/102511-big-surprise-congestion-pricing-tolls-dont-poll-well (https://www.planetizen.com/news/2019/01/102511-big-surprise-congestion-pricing-tolls-dont-poll-well). The answer is it really depends on the community. Even in Florida, express tolls have not been well-received. Tampa has blocked their installation on 275 for about five years now (city council even unanimously voted against any tolls on interstates within the city) and Miami has pushed back against express toll lanes. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/traffic/article237883019.html (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/traffic/article237883019.html). The M-CORES plan to add a bunch of new toll roads polls very poorly. https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/politics/2020/10/22/exclusive-spectrum-news-ipsos-poll-expanding-florida-toll-road-system (https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/politics/2020/10/22/exclusive-spectrum-news-ipsos-poll-expanding-florida-toll-road-system)
-- Toll roads in many cases do not make a profit. For example, the Suncoast Pkwy. has consistently failed to meet revenue projections and been a drain on the budget. https://www.tampabay.com/news/growth/getting-it-wrong-suncoast-parkway-set-to-expand-even-as-it-fails-to-meet/2264338/ (https://www.tampabay.com/news/growth/getting-it-wrong-suncoast-parkway-set-to-expand-even-as-it-fails-to-meet/2264338/)
-- When toll roads go belly up, it is taxpayers overall that are stuck holding the bag. https://www.thenewspaper.com/news/69/6932.asp (https://www.thenewspaper.com/news/69/6932.asp)
Your Seattle example had congestion pricing opposed by 61% of people, vs 73% opposed to toll the entire road. They didn't survey other funding options, such as increasing sales tax, property taxes, or gas taxes. Any time you increase fees the vast majority people oppose that, especially if the question is presented without context.

No roads that are not toll roads make a profit at all, ever. Just as you're saying taxpayers are stuck holding the bag if the tolls go belly up, taxpayers are ALSO stuck holding the bag if there is no tolls at all installed on a roadway.

To prove your point, we'd need to do a poll asking the question not based on popularity, but based on a choice of alternatives:

In order to fund 2 new lanes on your city's congested highway, would you prefer it be funded by:
- Tolls only on 2 new express ways while the existing lanes remain free
- Tolls (with lower rates) installed on ALL lanes of the freeway with NO free lanes
- Increasing property taxes, and thus rents, within the area to fund the project
- Increasing the sales tax within the area to fund the project
- Increasing gas taxes within the area to fund the project

My guess is the results would mirror the order I posted them in order of preference, but all choices would be unpopular. Obviously having it funded by magic or by some tax that I don't have to pay would be everyone's first choice. And a no-build alternative would vary completely on every project and how much each person uses said roadway.
Doing my best to avoid the political discussion on this because that's not really the point of this forum.

Plenty of states have had no issues raising the gasoline tax to fund these projects. My personal opinion is that gasoline taxes are preferable because they are more equitable, being paid by all drivers, and if done correctly, deliver much broader based funding than tolls. I also think VMT is a creative and equitable idea, but one that is politically unpopular. The Selmon extension is not indicative, but the problem with many of these express toll lane projects is that DOT's are often taking away free travel lanes to install express lanes and even doing things like narrowing the free lanes to slow speeds and thus induce more drivers to take the toll lanes.

There's certainly a place for express toll lanes in the scope of overall transportation improvements, but their use is becoming far too widespread without a holistic analysis of their costs and benefits.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Plutonic Panda on December 21, 2020, 11:58:17 PM
I always find it interesting how many in some states like Florida and Colorado claim new roads or lanes can't be built without tolls yet California, Utah, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Nevada, and tons of other states somehow find ways to do it. Yes in some cases they build toll roads and toll lanes but florida is out of control with their toll road bullshit. It's mental.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: RoadPelican on December 22, 2020, 09:23:33 AM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on December 21, 2020, 11:58:17 PM
I always find it interesting how many in some states like Florida and Colorado claim new roads or lanes can't be built without tolls yet California, Utah, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Nevada, and tons of other states somehow find ways to do it. Yes in some cases they build toll roads and toll lanes but florida is out of control with their toll road bullshit. It's mental.

I agree with you about Florida being out of control with toll roads, but consider FL has no income tax, no motor vehicle property tax and a very low $35-$40 annual vehicle registration fee, the money has to come from somewhere! With the exception of a few years around 2005-2010 (the fee was raised to around $55 then lowered a few years later) the vehicle registration fee has not been raised since the 1980's!!!

A few solutions:

1) FDOT should not force anti-toll cities such as (Jacksonville-Duval County) to take on toll projects.  FDOT should be more receptive to using county/local sales tax money.

2) The State Legislature should allow cities/counties to use their tourism tax revenues for roads, currently they are NOT allowed.

3) Tourists to Florida are taxed on Rental Cars, Hotel Rooms and general sales tax, but I think an amusement tax should be added as well for (theme parks, museums, putt putt golf, bowling, etc).  They have this in Myrtle Beach and it's used to help pay for the roads.  Disney keeps raising their prices and the tourists keep coming!

4) A small boost (no more than $10) in the annual Vehicle Registration Fee could be acceptable to the public if a list of road projects is presented that the money would go towards.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on December 22, 2020, 09:26:31 AM
Quote from: RoadPelican on December 22, 2020, 09:23:33 AM
I agree with you about Florida being out of control with toll roads, but consider FL has no income tax, no motor vehicle property tax and a very low $35-$40 annual vehicle registration fee, the money has to come from somewhere! With the exception of a few years around 2005-2010 (the fee was raised to around $55 then lowered a few years later) the vehicle registration fee has not been raised since the 1980's!!!

Vehicle registration fees in Florida are quite cheap compared to other states, though it's based on vehicle weight classes. So a small car pays less than a minivan or light-duty truck.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: democratic nole on December 22, 2020, 01:46:45 PM
Quote from: formulanone on December 22, 2020, 09:26:31 AM
Quote from: RoadPelican on December 22, 2020, 09:23:33 AM
I agree with you about Florida being out of control with toll roads, but consider FL has no income tax, no motor vehicle property tax and a very low $35-$40 annual vehicle registration fee, the money has to come from somewhere! With the exception of a few years around 2005-2010 (the fee was raised to around $55 then lowered a few years later) the vehicle registration fee has not been raised since the 1980's!!!

Vehicle registration fees in Florida are quite cheap compared to other states, though it's based on vehicle weight classes. So a small car pays less than a minivan or light-duty truck.
I am a little surprised they never went to an ad valorem system, given the amount of expensive vehicles they could recoup revenue on for registration, but such a practice is actually banned by the Florida Constitution.

One of the biggest funding challenges that local governments have in Florida is the insane restrictions placed on them by the state. There are limits to the sales taxes, gas taxes, and other taxes that cities and counties can levy. For example, Florida municipalities cannot levy a local sales tax; only counties can do that. I think it is unfortunate that if residents of, say Broward County, wish to levy a 50 cent per gallon gasoline tax, they do not have the option of doing so.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on December 22, 2020, 04:50:40 PM
Quote from: democratic nole on December 22, 2020, 01:46:45 PM
Quote from: formulanone on December 22, 2020, 09:26:31 AM
Quote from: RoadPelican on December 22, 2020, 09:23:33 AM
I agree with you about Florida being out of control with toll roads, but consider FL has no income tax, no motor vehicle property tax and a very low $35-$40 annual vehicle registration fee, the money has to come from somewhere! With the exception of a few years around 2005-2010 (the fee was raised to around $55 then lowered a few years later) the vehicle registration fee has not been raised since the 1980's!!!

Vehicle registration fees in Florida are quite cheap compared to other states, though it's based on vehicle weight classes. So a small car pays less than a minivan or light-duty truck.
I am a little surprised they never went to an ad valorem system, given the amount of expensive vehicles they could recoup revenue on for registration, but such a practice is actually banned by the Florida Constitution.

One of the biggest funding challenges that local governments have in Florida is the insane restrictions placed on them by the state. There are limits to the sales taxes, gas taxes, and other taxes that cities and counties can levy. For example, Florida municipalities cannot levy a local sales tax; only counties can do that. I think it is unfortunate that if residents of, say Broward County, wish to levy a 50 cent per gallon gasoline tax, they do not have the option of doing so.

Back in the early-1990s, Florida had a short-lived $250-500 "impact fee" on out-of-state vehicles which were later registered in the state. I think it got repealed around 1994-95.

It was an obviously unfair tax onto the increasing population of Northeasterners settling in the area. Not sure if dealership lobby groups thought that one out, or if lawmakers just thought retirees just had a lot of extra money lying around, because there really aren't that many sizable cities over the border of the Sunshine State to purchase vehicles. Besides, they can recoup lost sales tax if you even leave the county to save 1% on your next vehicle.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 24, 2020, 10:09:39 AM
Quote from: formulanone on December 22, 2020, 04:50:40 PM
Back in the early-1990s, Florida had a short-lived $250-500 "impact fee" on out-of-state vehicles which were later registered in the state. I think it got repealed around 1994-95.
Mayor De Blasio should take a lesson from that.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 29, 2020, 07:53:55 PM
https://floridasturnpike.com/turnpike-projects/major-projects/central-polk-parkway/polk-parkway-to-us-17/

Looks like the Central Polk Parkway is about to be built.

http://kisingercampo.com/portfolios/central-polk-parkway-from-polk-parkway-to-sr-35-fdot-floridas-turnpike-enterprise-polk-county-fl/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: btl1016 on December 30, 2020, 12:19:27 AM
I drove the FL Turnpike in south Orange County today and the new flyover ramps to SR-417 still aren't open yet even though the bridges have been structurally complete for the last 4 months now. Also not sure what's the holdup on the Turnpike widening project from the Orlando South Interchange-Osceola Pkwy either. They finished up the last of the mainline bridge widening over Central Florida Parkway and the CSX rail tracks a few months ago, but I haven't seen them working on anything else since.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 30, 2020, 09:40:08 PM
(https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/50780400922/in/album-72157633808337073/)The Ellis Road interchange in West Melbourne, FL is been open a while now, but with same control cities as US 192.
(https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/50780402282/in/dateposted-public/)
(https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/50780400922/in/album-72157633808337073/)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50779527343_8202118fcd_3k.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/10499854084_be40e8a3b2_3k.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: edwaleni on December 30, 2020, 11:18:12 PM
Quote from: RoadPelican on December 22, 2020, 09:23:33 AM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on December 21, 2020, 11:58:17 PM
I always find it interesting how many in some states like Florida and Colorado claim new roads or lanes can't be built without tolls yet California, Utah, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Nevada, and tons of other states somehow find ways to do it. Yes in some cases they build toll roads and toll lanes but florida is out of control with their toll road bullshit. It's mental.

I agree with you about Florida being out of control with toll roads, but consider FL has no income tax, no motor vehicle property tax and a very low $35-$40 annual vehicle registration fee, the money has to come from somewhere! With the exception of a few years around 2005-2010 (the fee was raised to around $55 then lowered a few years later) the vehicle registration fee has not been raised since the 1980's!!!

A few solutions:

1) FDOT should not force anti-toll cities such as (Jacksonville-Duval County) to take on toll projects.  FDOT should be more receptive to using county/local sales tax money.

2) The State Legislature should allow cities/counties to use their tourism tax revenues for roads, currently they are NOT allowed.

3) Tourists to Florida are taxed on Rental Cars, Hotel Rooms and general sales tax, but I think an amusement tax should be added as well for (theme parks, museums, putt putt golf, bowling, etc).  They have this in Myrtle Beach and it's used to help pay for the roads.  Disney keeps raising their prices and the tourists keep coming!

4) A small boost (no more than $10) in the annual Vehicle Registration Fee could be acceptable to the public if a list of road projects is presented that the money would go towards.

Jacksonville is an anti-toll bridge town. Those were removed back in the 1990's.

They are building tolled express lanes now and the First Coast Expressway will be tolled (FL-23)

The tolled express lanes are for the purpose of increasing the cost of moving faster through the metro area. This will justify the extended use of transit.

Sounds counter productive, but in plain terms they can justify the cost of transit by increasing the cost of driving overall. In fact Jacksonville just got a $875k grant from the Feds to acquire land for the new transit train stations being built.

As for the tourism taxes, the locals have been using them to build yet more stadiums, convention centers and the like. Some of the smallest towns in Florida have convention centers. Orlando plows theirs into the Citrus Bowl (used by UCF and state football) with the idea they will eventually get an NFL franchise, Jacksonville has plowed *alot* of hotel taxes into their football stadium to prop up the Jaguars and the annual Florida-Georgia game. But it hasn't helped at New Years as the bowl game there has been demoted over the years to where it will never host a FCS Championship (though they try every year to get it). They tried to host the ACC Championship but found out if Florida State wasn't there, no one would come.

But as of right now, economically, road building or road enhancement is the #1 economic engine in northeast Florida. In 2019 alone it went over $1 billion spent.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on December 31, 2020, 10:37:41 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 30, 2020, 09:40:08 PM
(https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/50780400922/in/album-72157633808337073/)The Ellis Road interchange in West Melbourne, FL is been open a while now, but with same control cities as US 192.
(https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/50780402282/in/dateposted-public/)
(https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/50780400922/in/album-72157633808337073/)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50779527343_8202118fcd_3k.jpg)

I was hoping for a mention of SR 508.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: UCFKnights on January 02, 2021, 11:06:22 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on December 30, 2020, 11:18:12 PM
Quote from: RoadPelican on December 22, 2020, 09:23:33 AM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on December 21, 2020, 11:58:17 PM
I always find it interesting how many in some states like Florida and Colorado claim new roads or lanes can't be built without tolls yet California, Utah, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Nevada, and tons of other states somehow find ways to do it. Yes in some cases they build toll roads and toll lanes but florida is out of control with their toll road bullshit. It's mental.

I agree with you about Florida being out of control with toll roads, but consider FL has no income tax, no motor vehicle property tax and a very low $35-$40 annual vehicle registration fee, the money has to come from somewhere! With the exception of a few years around 2005-2010 (the fee was raised to around $55 then lowered a few years later) the vehicle registration fee has not been raised since the 1980's!!!

A few solutions:

1) FDOT should not force anti-toll cities such as (Jacksonville-Duval County) to take on toll projects.  FDOT should be more receptive to using county/local sales tax money.

2) The State Legislature should allow cities/counties to use their tourism tax revenues for roads, currently they are NOT allowed.

3) Tourists to Florida are taxed on Rental Cars, Hotel Rooms and general sales tax, but I think an amusement tax should be added as well for (theme parks, museums, putt putt golf, bowling, etc).  They have this in Myrtle Beach and it's used to help pay for the roads.  Disney keeps raising their prices and the tourists keep coming!

4) A small boost (no more than $10) in the annual Vehicle Registration Fee could be acceptable to the public if a list of road projects is presented that the money would go towards.

Jacksonville is an anti-toll bridge town. Those were removed back in the 1990's.

They are building tolled express lanes now and the First Coast Expressway will be tolled (FL-23)

The tolled express lanes are for the purpose of increasing the cost of moving faster through the metro area. This will justify the extended use of transit.

Sounds counter productive, but in plain terms they can justify the cost of transit by increasing the cost of driving overall. In fact Jacksonville just got a $875k grant from the Feds to acquire land for the new transit train stations being built.

As for the tourism taxes, the locals have been using them to build yet more stadiums, convention centers and the like. Some of the smallest towns in Florida have convention centers. Orlando plows theirs into the Citrus Bowl (used by UCF and state football) with the idea they will eventually get an NFL franchise, Jacksonville has plowed *alot* of hotel taxes into their football stadium to prop up the Jaguars and the annual Florida-Georgia game. But it hasn't helped at New Years as the bowl game there has been demoted over the years to where it will never host a FCS Championship (though they try every year to get it). They tried to host the ACC Championship but found out if Florida State wasn't there, no one would come.

But as of right now, economically, road building or road enhancement is the #1 economic engine in northeast Florida. In 2019 alone it went over $1 billion spent.
UCF hasn't used the Citrus Bowl since 06, 15 years now. The Citrus Bowl has no permanent tenant, and I really wish they'd redirect the funds elsewhere. The city/county keep claiming the renovations are worth it due to its economic impact, but they seem to throw so much into it for something that sits empty 99% of the time.

Speaking of transit, I don't think its a coincidence that Florida is the only state in the nation where we have a privately funded and operated mass transit system in the US (Brightline) and we've had another one proposed, while everyone else gets nothing. I think fundamentally, one of the toughest things for alternative transportation to overcome is the massive underestimates people have on the cost of driving and its infrastructure. Hiding the costs of driving and infrastructure into sales tax, property tax, income tax, vehicle registration fees, and other indirect and often mandatory fees not associated with the actual amount of driving makes it a lot tougher to warrant taking a train... I'm gonna have to pay the roadway sales tax when I buy my train ticket! I still have to pay my vehicle registration fee, all sunk costs.

The two infrastructure fees that people correctly associate with the quantity of driving are tolls and the gas tax. If I drive from Orlando to Miami, I know I pay approximately $20 in tolls and $30 in gas (approximately 25 cents a mile). I don't know how much the cost was in the oil change, tires, brakes, repairs, etc... and I know I can allocate $0 towards the trip in the vehicle registration fee, road sales tax, etc because I would have paid them anyways. Even with that, according to the government's estimated cost of driving per mile, I'm supposedly underestimating by 100%!

And then why is it fair or desirable to push more of the fees to those who aren't actually using the roads, or might be using alternative transportation?

I'd rather Florida be "out of control" by installing express lanes and toll roads rather than the backwardness of other states creating incentives to buy "green" vehicles and then promptly putting an extra fee on the annual registration fee for those vehicles because they evade the gas tax.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: hotdogPi on January 02, 2021, 11:23:35 AM
Quote from: UCFKnights on January 02, 2021, 11:06:22 AM
The two infrastructure fees that people correctly associate with the quantity of driving are tolls and the gas tax. If I drive from Orlando to Miami, I know I pay approximately $20 in tolls and $30 in gas (approximately 25 cents a mile). I don't know how much the cost was in the oil change, tires, brakes, repairs, etc... and I know I can allocate $0 towards the trip in the vehicle registration fee, road sales tax, etc because I would have paid them anyways. Even with that, according to the government's estimated cost of driving per mile, I'm supposedly underestimating by 100%!

Assuming 59¢ per mile on a non-toll road, that would be 34¢ per mile for maintenance and depreciation combined. However, 59¢ assumes a typical fuel efficiency vehicle, and ($2.25/gal) / (15¢/mi) = a very low 15 MPG, which would bring the total cost per mile higher, and therefore the maintenance + depreciation cost higher.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jim on January 02, 2021, 05:19:59 PM
I've now done the Baldwin bypass both ways.  It's not on the level of the Starke bypass as far as being a time saver, but it's nice to have it.

I was amazed this afternoon by the cars with mid-Atlantic and northeastern plates who were stacked up to get onto I-10 EB from US 301 NB.  I've preferred US 301 between Baldwin and Yulee for years, even before the 4-laning of most of it.  It's at least as fast and only a fraction as stressful as I-10/I-295/I-95 around Jax.  Callahan's really the only remaining slowdown, and that's minimal.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on January 05, 2021, 01:25:04 AM
Quote from: Jim on January 02, 2021, 05:19:59 PM
I've now done the Baldwin bypass both ways.  It's not on the level of the Starke bypass as far as being a time saver, but it's nice to have it.

I was amazed this afternoon by the cars with mid-Atlantic and northeastern plates who were stacked up to get onto I-10 EB from US 301 NB.  I've preferred US 301 between Baldwin and Yulee for years, even before the 4-laning of most of it.  It's at least as fast and only a fraction as stressful as I-10/I-295/I-95 around Jax.  Callahan's really the only remaining slowdown, and that's minimal.

Sorry I missed out on the Baldwin bypass (the kids moved to Baton Rouge in July so no more trips to Tampa). In all the travels through there we only hit it bad once with a 20-minute delay while CSX switched a long train and blocked the crossing. It took a couple of trips before I decided to try U.S. 301 north of I-10 and that was the end of touching the fringes of Jacksonville. For whatever reason, the Garmin nav in my Honda insists that the I-10/I-295/I-95 route was the way to go.

Bruce in Blacksburg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 05, 2021, 12:54:57 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR1H_U3yt4JCmpgiCFs65aKYV8nND9LYMZOXI9_nPF2hQmTVYUoA98QqaLQ&v=muJO8SdnfQE&feature=youtu.be

The I-95 and SR 200 exchange is finally opened.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 11, 2021, 06:53:59 AM
Quote from: Jim on January 02, 2021, 05:19:59 PM
I've now done the Baldwin bypass both ways.  It's not on the level of the Starke bypass as far as being a time saver, but it's nice to have it.
Perhaps if it were truly a limited-access road it might be as good as Starke. I haven't taken either one, but unlike what I've seen from the Starke Bypass, I see nothing to indicate that there are more bridges other than those over the railroad lines.


Quote from: roadman65 on January 05, 2021, 12:54:57 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR1H_U3yt4JCmpgiCFs65aKYV8nND9LYMZOXI9_nPF2hQmTVYUoA98QqaLQ&v=muJO8SdnfQE&feature=youtu.be

The I-95 and SR 200 exchange is finally opened.
I noticed the number of people being interviewed don't understand the concept of DDI's, as I expected. But I'm not entirely sure it was truly necessary to build one there.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 14, 2021, 09:46:57 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on November 21, 2020, 05:08:33 PM
While I was scanning through US BUS 1 in St. Augustine, I saw this interesting sign arrangement at the north end of the overlap with FL A1A.
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9095502,-81.3204352,3a,75y,257.22h,90.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPnX_KtvyTCceM0JWmxGGgA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9095502,-81.3204352,3a,75y,257.22h,90.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPnX_KtvyTCceM0JWmxGGgA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en)

I also saw an aerial shot of some construction there. Am I to believe this sign arrangement won't exist there anymore once the project is completed?


Edited for apostrophe.

U.S. 1 Business was truncated north of Cuna Street in St. Augustine, which is why that assembly only references it as going south. State maintenance along San Marcos Avenue ends to the north at SR 16 (Picolata Road). FDOT GIS data shows this as CR 5, and the remainder of San Marcos south to Cuna Street as SR 5A. Neither are marked however.

FDOT SLD: https://fdotewp1.dot.state.fl.us/slogis/blank.aspx?docId=32150
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 14, 2021, 09:51:16 AM
Quote from: VTGoose on January 05, 2021, 01:25:04 AM
Quote from: Jim on January 02, 2021, 05:19:59 PM
I've now done the Baldwin bypass both ways.  It's not on the level of the Starke bypass as far as being a time saver, but it's nice to have it.

I was amazed this afternoon by the cars with mid-Atlantic and northeastern plates who were stacked up to get onto I-10 EB from US 301 NB.  I've preferred US 301 between Baldwin and Yulee for years, even before the 4-laning of most of it.  It's at least as fast and only a fraction as stressful as I-10/I-295/I-95 around Jax.  Callahan's really the only remaining slowdown, and that's minimal.

Sorry I missed out on the Baldwin bypass (the kids moved to Baton Rouge in July so no more trips to Tampa). In all the travels through there we only hit it bad once with a 20-minute delay while CSX switched a long train and blocked the crossing. It took a couple of trips before I decided to try U.S. 301 north of I-10 and that was the end of touching the fringes of Jacksonville. For whatever reason, the Garmin nav in my Honda insists that the I-10/I-295/I-95 route was the way to go.

Bruce in Blacksburg

Checked out the Baldwin Bypass on December 4. Pictures posted at https://www.aaroads.com/guides/us-301-bypass-fl/
Construction at the exchange joining U.S. 301 with I-10 is still ongoing, and resurfacing of U.S. 301 north from the Clay County line to Baldwin is as well. All of I-10 east from U.S. 301 to SR 23 was closed for this work on the morning of December 17. Another closure was scheduled for this month (may have already taken place). We got on I-10 eastbound just after it opened (around 5 AM).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 14, 2021, 11:24:14 PM
Quote from: Alex on January 14, 2021, 09:46:57 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on November 21, 2020, 05:08:33 PM
While I was scanning through US BUS 1 in St. Augustine, I saw this interesting sign arrangement at the north end of the overlap with FL A1A.
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9095502,-81.3204352,3a,75y,257.22h,90.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPnX_KtvyTCceM0JWmxGGgA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9095502,-81.3204352,3a,75y,257.22h,90.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPnX_KtvyTCceM0JWmxGGgA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en)

I also saw an aerial shot of some construction there. Am I to believe this sign arrangement won't exist there anymore once the project is completed?


Edited for apostrophe.

U.S. 1 Business was truncated north of Cuna Street in St. Augustine, which is why that assembly only references it as going south. State maintenance along San Marcos Avenue ends to the north at SR 16 (Picolata Road). FDOT GIS data shows this as CR 5, and the remainder of San Marcos south to Cuna Street as SR 5A. Neither are marked however.

FDOT SLD: https://fdotewp1.dot.state.fl.us/slogis/blank.aspx?docId=32150

This signs begs to differ. https://goo.gl/maps/dMFuj6ryLt7dFCeP6 https://goo.gl/maps/YAHdJJmwzurfL6M66
Title: Gateway Expressway (SR 690) Photos - 01-15-21
Post by: Alex on January 15, 2021, 03:49:50 PM
Photos covering progress with the Gateway Expressway project in Pinellas from today.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/cr-296-gateway-expwy-1.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/cr-296-gateway-expwy-1.jpg)

CR 296 (118th Avenue N) at 40th Street N where SR 686A will branch northward to PIE Airport from SR 690.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/cr-296-gateway-expwy-2.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/cr-296-gateway-expwy-2.jpg)

Guide signs are already posted along the completed section of the Gateway Expressway north of 43rd Street N. "St Pete-Clwtr Intl" remains the standard way to reference PIE Airport.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/cr-296-gateway-expwy-3.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/cr-296-gateway-expwy-3.jpg)

Flyovers for SR 686A spanning 43rd Street N southeast. Still a lot of work to be done at the south end of these.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/cr-296-gateway-expwy-4.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/cr-296-gateway-expwy-4.jpg)

Had to turn into an adjacent industrial park to see what was displayed on the overhead along future SR 686A south. Even then needed to use my 200 mm lens to get a photo.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/cr-296-gateway-expwy-5.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/cr-296-gateway-expwy-5.jpg)

Overheads staged along the south side of CR 296 (Bryan Dairy Road) just west of U.S. 19. This is the first sign that I have seen displaying SR 690.
Title: Selmon Extension (SR 618) Photos - 01-15-21
Post by: Alex on January 15, 2021, 03:58:32 PM
Photos showing progress along the elevated Selmon Extension project along U.S. 92 (Gandy Boulevard) in South Tampa from this afternoon.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/us-092-selmon-ext-1.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/us-092-selmon-ext-1.jpg)

Overheads for the beginning of the Selmon Extension in place along U.S. 92 east leaving the Gandy Bridge. Looks like it will display the same thing as other overheads for SR 618 with East To I-75 / Brandon / Downtown.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/us-092-selmon-ext-2.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/us-092-selmon-ext-2.jpg)

The west end of the viaduct is nearly complete, with the bridge supports fully painted.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/us-092-selmon-ext-3.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/us-092-selmon-ext-3.jpg)

The bridge deck is finally continuous all the way east to Gandy Boulevard at the original exchange with SR 618.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/us-092-selmon-ext-4.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/us-092-selmon-ext-4.jpg)

U.S. 92 (Gandy Boulevard) east where the flyovers from the Selmon Extension turn northeast onto the original Selmon Expressway. Toll gantries are now in place and one of the toll schedule signs was as well (no rate displayed).

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/us-092-selmon-ext-5.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/us-092-selmon-ext-5.jpg)

Completed flyover spanning the loop ramp for SR 618 (Selmon Expressway) east and a new toll by plate sign. No signage is in place for SR 573 (Dale Mabry Highway) south right now. An overhead and shield assembly (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/092/us-092-e-at-fl-573-1.jpg) to the side was previously posted here.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on January 17, 2021, 10:16:59 AM
One of the three (?) remaining Cecil B. Sawgrass shields is gone  :-/  The other trailblazer signs are still attached to the pole. I only know of two more assemblies.
Title: Florida DOT - District 7 FY 2022-26 Work Program
Post by: Alex on January 18, 2021, 02:32:16 PM
FDOT District 7 has their FY 2022-26 Work Program projects available for public review/comment online at https://www.d7wpph.com/work-program-interactive-project-map/

Some projects of interest that are getting funds:
Any forum members based in one of the FDOT D7 counties of Citrus, Hernando, Pasco, Pinellas and Hillsborough should feel free to comment. I commented on a few, hopefully offsetting one or two from NIMBY's.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: SP Cook on January 19, 2021, 11:36:31 AM
So, just back from my first ever trip to Key West.  Something I always wanted to do, and the bridge work is amazing.  Other than that it reminded me a lot of the Outer Bank in NC.

Anyway, also spent a few days in Ft. Lauderdale and Miami, all of the "scoreboard" type VMS signs, included "Off Road Vehicles Prohibited On Freeway".  That is a thing?  In Miami? 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 21, 2021, 12:19:44 AM
https://www.theledger.com/story/news/local/2020/12/31/4-project-yield-safer-ramps-cr-557-lake-alfred-exit/4058624001/

The Exit 48 interchange on I-4 is finally getting a much needed reconfiguration.  Work is already present there and will take a few years to complete.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 21, 2021, 01:00:20 AM
Quote from: Alex on January 18, 2021, 02:32:16 PM
reconstructing U.S. 19 in northern Pinellas County with interchanges and frontage roads
Too bad it's not being expanded into Pasco and southern Hernando Counties.


Quote from: Alex on January 18, 2021, 02:32:16 PM
adding a grade separated intersection at U.S. 41/SR 54 in Land O' Lakes.
Absolutely, but the plan they have will simply force those not on the overpass to suffer with the same problems that exist now.


Quote from: Alex on January 18, 2021, 02:32:16 PM
four lane expansion along SR 50 east from U.S. 301 at Ridge Manor in Hernando.
Yes, although it could use a more park-like setting once it enters Withlacoochee State Forest.  Also, I see nothing about this on the Sumter County side.

Just out of curiosity, why haven't your comments shown up?

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on January 21, 2021, 08:49:05 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 21, 2021, 12:19:44 AM
https://www.theledger.com/story/news/local/2020/12/31/4-project-yield-safer-ramps-cr-557-lake-alfred-exit/4058624001/

The Exit 48 interchange on I-4 is finally getting a much needed reconfiguration.  Work is already present there and will take a few years to complete.
Personally I think the current configuration (parclo B2) is okay as is, other than the loop ramps could use longer deceleration lanes. If they wanted to improve the tightness of the loop ramps, just widen the footprint. The new configuration will be a dog-bone interchange, or as FDOT is calling it on the official project page (http://swflroads.com/i4/atsr557/Proj_Overview.html), a diamond design with "dual teardrop shaped roundabouts" at either end.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mr. Matté on January 23, 2021, 10:18:06 AM
Florida Man proposes legislation renaming US 27 (https://www.wctv.tv/2021/01/21/florida-legislator-proposes-renaming-us-27-after-former-president-trump/)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 23, 2021, 10:46:54 AM
Quote from: Mr. Matté on January 23, 2021, 10:18:06 AM
Florida Man proposes legislation renaming US 27 (https://www.wctv.tv/2021/01/21/florida-legislator-proposes-renaming-us-27-after-former-president-trump/)

I think this may stir up troouble by bringing this here.  This is going into politics which is not allowed.  I am not a mod but be prepared.  Right now we have just got out of the biggest political slugfest ever in history so one may consider it not deem able.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 23, 2021, 01:06:38 PM
We haven't stopped anybody talking about road renames for Obama, Bush, Clinton, ect.  So, why prohibit Trump road renames?  This is a legit article, not a fictional one.  As long as people don't get into a slug fest about who voted for who, it's alright to talk about as it has to do with highways.  However, we will be keeping an eye on it for sure.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: pianocello on January 24, 2021, 09:00:16 AM
Quote from: Mr. Matté on January 23, 2021, 10:18:06 AM
Florida Man proposes legislation renaming US 27 (https://www.wctv.tv/2021/01/21/florida-legislator-proposes-renaming-us-27-after-former-president-trump/)

Ok, I'll bite. All opinions on the decision to name a roadway after the former president aside, this legislator made a lazy choice in US 27.

If anything, US 98 should be the obvious choice for him. Using some of the arguments presented in the article, US 98 is the longest highway in the state, goes through many districts that voted overwhelmingly for Mr. Trump in both elections, and goes right up to his front door.

Also, it threw me off a bit to see Trump mentioned as the first Floridian president. I guess it's not technically wrong, but it still doesn't sound right.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Rothman on January 24, 2021, 09:34:22 AM
Quote from: pianocello on January 24, 2021, 09:00:16 AM
Quote from: Mr. Matté on January 23, 2021, 10:18:06 AM
Florida Man proposes legislation renaming US 27 (https://www.wctv.tv/2021/01/21/florida-legislator-proposes-renaming-us-27-after-former-president-trump/)

Ok, I'll bite. All opinions on the decision to name a roadway after the former president aside, this legislator made a lazy choice in US 27.

If anything, US 98 should be the obvious choice for him. Using some of the arguments presented in the article, US 98 is the longest highway in the state, goes through many districts that voted overwhelmingly for Mr. Trump in both elections, and goes right up to his front door.

Also, it threw me off a bit to see Trump mentioned as the first Floridian president. I guess it's not technically wrong, but it still doesn't sound right.
Hm.  I still think of him as being from New York.  Then again, people think the Bushes are from Texas...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 24, 2021, 09:38:53 AM
Nah, US 41 is more appropriate...its secret number is SR 45 from Naples to Tampa.

But US 98 literally ends at Mar-a-Lago.

I don't see this gaining a lot of serious traction right now; there will be a few sections of a route named after him, but I can't see him getting an entire route. Then again, they named the Turnpike after Ronald Reagan 10 years after he left office, and he never took up any sort of residence in the Sunshine State. A lot of these re-designated routes are rarely used by anyone but for dedication purposes and photo-ops, and then forgotten bigly.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 24, 2021, 12:20:20 PM
Quote from: flaroads on January 21, 2021, 08:49:05 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 21, 2021, 12:19:44 AM
https://www.theledger.com/story/news/local/2020/12/31/4-project-yield-safer-ramps-cr-557-lake-alfred-exit/4058624001/

The Exit 48 interchange on I-4 is finally getting a much needed reconfiguration.  Work is already present there and will take a few years to complete.
Personally I think the current configuration (parclo B2) is okay as is, other than the loop ramps could use longer deceleration lanes. If they wanted to improve the tightness of the loop ramps, just widen the footprint. The new configuration will be a dog-bone interchange, or as FDOT is calling it on the official project page (http://swflroads.com/i4/atsr557/Proj_Overview.html), a diamond design with "dual teardrop shaped roundabouts" at either end.
I agree, and my biggest gripe with the "dog-bone" interchange is all the swampland they're tearing up in order to build it. I'm already convinced we're going to see sinkholes where the new ramps are being built. A bigger version of the current configuration seems like it would require removing less wetlands. I also think a wider footprint should be used for the existing northbound I-75 ramps at Pasco CR 41 (Exit 293).

Speaking of sinkholes, recently I saw some traffic report on BayNews9 about a bridge that kept sinking on some moderate road, and it made me wonder if that might've been what was causing it.

Quote from: Rothman on January 24, 2021, 09:34:22 AM
Hm.  I still think of him as being from New York.  Then again, people think the Bushes are from Texas...
Jamaica Estates in Queens to be exact. As far as the Bushes go, if I'm not thinking of Texas, I'm thinking of Kennebunkport, Maine.

Another thought, Donald Trump always used to name things he builds and acquires after himself. He has never named a road after himself.

Quote from: formulanone on January 24, 2021, 09:38:53 AM
Nah, US 41 is more appropriate...its secret number is SR 45 from Naples to Tampa.
Actually, it SR 45 goes as far north as High Springs.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mr. Matté on January 24, 2021, 04:14:05 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 24, 2021, 09:38:53 AM
Nah, US 41 is more appropriate...its secret number is SR 45 from Naples to Tampa.

Plus its old shield was orange

(and it runs through lots of swampland)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 26, 2021, 04:39:40 AM
I-10 is named after Christopher Columbus.  Yet no signs in Florida mention that fact, so it could be named after him.  Just do not sign it unless a town along the way wants it on a street blade.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on January 26, 2021, 08:57:09 AM
They should be Biden their time on that. Just my two Pence.

:bigass:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 26, 2021, 03:19:45 PM
Well I am surprised that more of Dixie Highway ain't renamed something else like Riveria Beach did naming it for Obama, another president who was criticized during his Tenor.

Anyway Lee Highway And a Jeff Davis Highway in VA are both parts of four US routes that are not on all the signs. Jeff Davis Highway south of Petersburg is Boydon Plank Road and signed as such or some call it " Highway One"  on local street blades.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 29, 2021, 08:59:21 PM
New Florida pics of Levy County (US 27 Alt., FL 320, US 129), Gilchrist County (US 129, FL 26), Gainesville (FL 26, 26A, and even the east end of FL 222), Alachua and Putnam Counties (FL 100, US 17, FL 207, the Palatka-Lake Butler State Trail), St. Johns County, including St. Augustine (FL 207, FL 312, US BUS 1, FL A1A,  CR A1A, and the home of Dr. Robert Hayling, the dentist who fired a gun at KKK Knight Riders trashing his neighborhood during the early-1960's), all coming within the first 3 months of the year, give or take a month.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 29, 2021, 09:50:30 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 29, 2021, 08:59:21 PM
St. Augustine (US BUS 1, FL A1A)

Got any info/pics on how the US-1 Bus/FL-A1A intersection here was ultimately configured?
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9096336,-81.3203186,238m/data=!3m1!1e3
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 30, 2021, 08:40:40 AM
Oh, I tried to capture it, with my dying cell phone, while my camera was dead and being charged up. Sadly I didn't get a single shot of the new configuration. I'm still charging the phone up from yesterday!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 31, 2021, 02:32:15 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 30, 2021, 08:40:40 AM
Oh, I tried to capture it, with my dying cell phone, while my camera was dead and being charged up. Sadly I didn't get a single shot of the new configuration. I'm still charging the phone up from yesterday!

That's a bummer. :(
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 31, 2021, 03:25:40 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 31, 2021, 02:32:15 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 30, 2021, 08:40:40 AM
Oh, I tried to capture it, with my dying cell phone, while my camera was dead and being charged up. Sadly I didn't get a single shot of the new configuration. I'm still charging the phone up from yesterday!

That's a bummer. :(
Tell me about it. My main reason for going to St. Augustine was US Business Route 1, including the new configuration. The closest thing I got to that was the overhead sign directing traffic to each lane. Also the phone frequently makes me take multiple shots even when I only want to take one. Try dealing with that and holding onto the phone while driving through an overcrowded tourist trap like St. Augustine.

It's not a total loss though (unlike SR 26A in Gainesville). I got those pics of the Dr. Hayling House, and I'll just have to decide which of the images from US 1 and US BUS 1 I want to rename and save.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: democratic nole on January 31, 2021, 06:51:18 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on January 19, 2021, 11:36:31 AM
So, just back from my first ever trip to Key West.  Something I always wanted to do, and the bridge work is amazing.  Other than that it reminded me a lot of the Outer Bank in NC.

Anyway, also spent a few days in Ft. Lauderdale and Miami, all of the "scoreboard" type VMS signs, included "Off Road Vehicles Prohibited On Freeway".  That is a thing?  In Miami?
I am shocked FDOT used the correct term of "freeway."
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on February 02, 2021, 03:59:44 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 30, 2021, 08:40:40 AM
Oh, I tried to capture it, with my dying cell phone, while my camera was dead and being charged up. Sadly I didn't get a single shot of the new configuration. I'm still charging the phone up from yesterday!

Park your car and get it on foot.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 06, 2021, 11:25:46 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 02, 2021, 03:59:44 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 30, 2021, 08:40:40 AM
Oh, I tried to capture it, with my dying cell phone, while my camera was dead and being charged up. Sadly I didn't get a single shot of the new configuration. I'm still charging the phone up from yesterday!

Park your car and get it on foot.
I probably could've done that, since I already did so for the Dr. Hayling House. It would've been a longer walk, and I wasn't sure my camera would've been charged up enough for it, since the only thing I had to charge both on me was a little power pack I bought from Wal-Mart, but I suppose I could've done that anyway.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: btl1016 on February 06, 2021, 11:55:18 AM
Still no update on when the remaining 417/FL Turnpike flyover ramps will open in Orlando. Ramps have been essentially fully complete for the last month but still hasn't been striped or opened yet. Wouldn't be surprised if CFX (agency who runs 417) is holding it up as they currently get extra toll revenue from those who use the Landstar Blvd exit as a "U-Turn"  to access SB 417 from the turnpike which will go away once the ramp opens as there will be no toll to enter the 417 from the Turnpike.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: pianocello on February 07, 2021, 05:03:04 PM
Quote from: btl1016 on February 06, 2021, 11:55:18 AM
Still no update on when the remaining 417/FL Turnpike flyover ramps will open in Orlando. Ramps have been essentially fully complete for the last month but still hasn't been striped or opened yet. Wouldn't be surprised if CFX (agency who runs 417) is holding it up as they currently get extra toll revenue from those who use the Landstar Blvd exit as a "U-Turn"  to access SB 417 from the turnpike which will go away once the ramp opens as there will be no toll to enter the 417 from the Turnpike.

Reading this, I have a sinking feeling that CFX is trying to wait until they start working on the 417 widening that's coming up pretty soon. That should be starting in the coming weeks or months, if it hasn't already.

I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: btl1016 on February 08, 2021, 05:18:22 PM
Quote from: pianocello on February 07, 2021, 05:03:04 PM
Quote from: btl1016 on February 06, 2021, 11:55:18 AM
Still no update on when the remaining 417/FL Turnpike flyover ramps will open in Orlando. Ramps have been essentially fully complete for the last month but still hasn't been striped or opened yet. Wouldn't be surprised if CFX (agency who runs 417) is holding it up as they currently get extra toll revenue from those who use the Landstar Blvd exit as a "U-Turn"  to access SB 417 from the turnpike which will go away once the ramp opens as there will be no toll to enter the 417 from the Turnpike.

Reading this, I have a sinking feeling that CFX is trying to wait until they start working on the 417 widening that's coming up pretty soon. That should be starting in the coming weeks or months, if it hasn't already.

I hope I'm wrong.

Last time I drove this section of the 417 a week ago, they had a flashing construction sign up saying the road work was starting 2/8 (today) so hopefully this is the case. The only section of the ramps from the Turnpike to 417 not yet complete is the final layer of pavement connecting the ramps from FTE maintenance to the 417 mainline which is CFX maintenance so perhaps they are just going to have the widening crews put the final pavement down for these ramps. Until then, The "Landstar U-Turn"  will have to suffice.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: pianocello on February 08, 2021, 08:18:41 PM
Quote from: btl1016 on February 08, 2021, 05:18:22 PM
Quote from: pianocello on February 07, 2021, 05:03:04 PM
Quote from: btl1016 on February 06, 2021, 11:55:18 AM
Still no update on when the remaining 417/FL Turnpike flyover ramps will open in Orlando. Ramps have been essentially fully complete for the last month but still hasn't been striped or opened yet. Wouldn't be surprised if CFX (agency who runs 417) is holding it up as they currently get extra toll revenue from those who use the Landstar Blvd exit as a "U-Turn"  to access SB 417 from the turnpike which will go away once the ramp opens as there will be no toll to enter the 417 from the Turnpike.

Reading this, I have a sinking feeling that CFX is trying to wait until they start working on the 417 widening that's coming up pretty soon. That should be starting in the coming weeks or months, if it hasn't already.

I hope I'm wrong.

Last time I drove this section of the 417 a week ago, they had a flashing construction sign up saying the road work was starting 2/8 (today) so hopefully this is the case. The only section of the ramps from the Turnpike to 417 not yet complete is the final layer of pavement connecting the ramps from FTE maintenance to the 417 mainline which is CFX maintenance so perhaps they are just going to have the widening crews put the final pavement down for these ramps. Until then, The "Landstar U-Turn"  will have to suffice.

That actually makes sense. Wouldn't want to get the new ramps ready to go only for the pavement markings to get torn up right away for the 417 project. It's likely they'll open it up directly into the first maintenance of traffic phase instead.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 19, 2021, 12:17:41 AM
What's with the right-of-way for the extra southbound lanes of I-95 at the St. John's Heritage Parkway interchange?

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.8960407,-80.5950595,1596m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on February 19, 2021, 09:36:29 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 19, 2021, 12:17:41 AM
What's with the right-of-way for the extra southbound lanes of I-95 at the St. John's Heritage Parkway interchange?

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.8960407,-80.5950595,1596m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en



The extra Right-of-Way is more than likely for any express lanes that might be built along that stretch in the future. Either that or for the ever proposed high speed rail line.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on February 20, 2021, 04:26:47 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 19, 2021, 12:17:41 AM
What's with the right-of-way for the extra southbound lanes of I-95 at the St. John's Heritage Parkway interchange?

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.8960407,-80.5950595,1596m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en


St. John's Heritage Parkway was originally designed as a four-laned arterial with expressway sections, that was dropped in order to speed construction of the road. They still have the right of way when they decide to twin it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 20, 2021, 11:19:19 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on February 20, 2021, 04:26:47 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 19, 2021, 12:17:41 AM
What's with the right-of-way for the extra southbound lanes of I-95 at the St. John's Heritage Parkway interchange?

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.8960407,-80.5950595,1596m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en


St. John's Heritage Parkway was originally designed as a four-laned arterial with expressway sections, that was dropped in order to speed construction of the road. They still have the right of way when they decide to twin it.

They're talking about the super wide bridge over I-95 where it has a completely separate area for another set of I-95 lanes (or a possible HSRL).
https://goo.gl/maps/caRwf8E6GrRCWkgG9
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: cw321 on February 22, 2021, 10:49:02 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on February 20, 2021, 11:19:19 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on February 20, 2021, 04:26:47 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 19, 2021, 12:17:41 AM
What's with the right-of-way for the extra southbound lanes of I-95 at the St. John's Heritage Parkway interchange?

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.8960407,-80.5950595,1596m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en


St. John's Heritage Parkway was originally designed as a four-laned arterial with expressway sections, that was dropped in order to speed construction of the road. They still have the right of way when they decide to twin it.

They're talking about the super wide bridge over I-95 where it has a completely separate area for another set of I-95 lanes (or a possible HSRL).
https://goo.gl/maps/caRwf8E6GrRCWkgG9


https://wginc.com/st-johns-heritage-parkway/ (https://wginc.com/st-johns-heritage-parkway/)

"Span 1 of the two bridges was required to span over a Florida gas transmission easement parallel to I-95."
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mileage Mike on February 24, 2021, 09:59:14 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 29, 2021, 09:50:30 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 29, 2021, 08:59:21 PM
St. Augustine (US BUS 1, FL A1A)

Got any info/pics on how the US-1 Bus/FL-A1A intersection here was ultimately configured?
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9096336,-81.3203186,238m/data=!3m1!1e3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO-kBBTxhDY
See 42:45 Mark
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: democratic nole on March 02, 2021, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: Mileage Mike on February 24, 2021, 09:59:14 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 29, 2021, 09:50:30 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 29, 2021, 08:59:21 PM
St. Augustine (US BUS 1, FL A1A)

Got any info/pics on how the US-1 Bus/FL-A1A intersection here was ultimately configured?
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9096336,-81.3203186,238m/data=!3m1!1e3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO-kBBTxhDY
See 42:45 Mark
That intersection looks like a bit of a charlie foxtrot.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: btl1016 on March 02, 2021, 12:03:19 PM
Good news in regards to the FL Turnpike project from 528/Orlando South to Osceola Pkwy, more paver trucks have showed up within the past week and they've been working at night so hopefully the widening and new 417 ramps will be able to open any day now!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on March 02, 2021, 03:07:09 PM
Quote from: Mileage Mike on February 24, 2021, 09:59:14 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 29, 2021, 09:50:30 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 29, 2021, 08:59:21 PM
St. Augustine (US BUS 1, FL A1A)

Got any info/pics on how the US-1 Bus/FL-A1A intersection here was ultimately configured?
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9096336,-81.3203186,238m/data=!3m1!1e3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO-kBBTxhDY
See 42:45 Mark

Interesting.  Going to have to decide how I want to deal with that on TM.

Also, noticed that the first 'Business US-1 (https://goo.gl/maps/1SzYSRBJtzH79eiy7)' shield was turned around in that video.  I wonder why.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 03, 2021, 10:43:08 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on March 02, 2021, 03:07:09 PM
Quote from: Mileage Mike on February 24, 2021, 09:59:14 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 29, 2021, 09:50:30 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 29, 2021, 08:59:21 PM
St. Augustine (US BUS 1, FL A1A)

Got any info/pics on how the US-1 Bus/FL-A1A intersection here was ultimately configured?
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9096336,-81.3203186,238m/data=!3m1!1e3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO-kBBTxhDY
See 42:45 Mark

Interesting.  Going to have to decide how I want to deal with that on TM.

Also, noticed that the first 'Business US-1 (https://goo.gl/maps/1SzYSRBJtzH79eiy7)' shield was turned around in that video.  I wonder why.


Bigger question why is the straight through US 1 Business signed as San Marco Avenue solo and TO US 1 signed for San Carlos Avenue?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: btl1016 on March 05, 2021, 12:31:22 PM
Quote from: btl1016 on March 02, 2021, 12:03:19 PM
Good news in regards to the FL Turnpike project from 528/Orlando South to Osceola Pkwy, more paver trucks have showed up within the past week and they've been working at night so hopefully the widening and new 417 ramps will be able to open any day now!

Just got an e-mail from the Turnpike Enterprise and apparently the Turnpike/SR-417 ramps aren't scheduled to open until "late summer, early fall"  now.  :banghead:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 07, 2021, 07:39:59 PM
Who here has seen the newer signs along I-95 in and around Downtown Jacksonville? They have "Downtown" in yellow top banners with black lettering now, while the rest of the signs are your standard BGSs.

No, I didn't get pictures of them. I was trying to save my camera for the Trout River Bridge, and ended up getting a few signs before then.


Two other things I noticed; 1)A new flyover ramp from northbound I-95 towards I-10 (or somewhere else), and 2)FL 114 doesn't end at US 1 and 17. Why?


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 07, 2021, 08:29:49 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on March 07, 2021, 07:39:59 PM
2)FL 114 doesn't end at US 1 and 17. Why?

It appears SR 114 is just meant to serve the UF Health Jacksonville hospital. It is not signed beyond the one overhead on I-95 north:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/095/i-095-n-exit-353-13.jpg)

This sign was added by 2011, the previous omitted SR 114.

Pictures of the route from a year ago: https://www.aaroads.com/guides/fl-114/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on March 07, 2021, 10:41:40 PM
Quote from: Alex on March 07, 2021, 08:29:49 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on March 07, 2021, 07:39:59 PM
2)FL 114 doesn't end at US 1 and 17. Why?

It appears SR 114 is just meant to serve the UF Health Jacksonville hospital. It is not signed beyond the one overhead on I-95 north:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/095/i-095-n-exit-353-13.jpg)

This sign was added by 2011, the previous omitted SR 114.

Pictures of the route from a year ago: https://www.aaroads.com/guides/fl-114/

However, FL-114 used to go all the way to US-1/17 in the past.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on March 07, 2021, 10:48:15 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on March 07, 2021, 07:39:59 PM
1)A new flyover ramp from northbound I-95 towards I-10 (or somewhere else)

On this, your guess is as good as mine.  No idea why they'd be reconfiguring that area again so soon.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on March 08, 2021, 06:09:47 PM
The reason why a new flyover is being built at the 10 and 95 interchange is for widening purposes. This will solve any possible congestion issues inside the West Beltway (I-295).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on March 14, 2021, 08:12:48 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 03, 2021, 10:43:08 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on March 02, 2021, 03:07:09 PM
Quote from: Mileage Mike on February 24, 2021, 09:59:14 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 29, 2021, 09:50:30 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 29, 2021, 08:59:21 PM
St. Augustine (US BUS 1, FL A1A)

Got any info/pics on how the US-1 Bus/FL-A1A intersection here was ultimately configured?
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9096336,-81.3203186,238m/data=!3m1!1e3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO-kBBTxhDY
See 42:45 Mark

Interesting.  Going to have to decide how I want to deal with that on TM.

Also, noticed that the first 'Business US-1 (https://goo.gl/maps/1SzYSRBJtzH79eiy7)' shield was turned around in that video.  I wonder why.


Bigger question why is the straight through US 1 Business signed as San Marco Avenue solo and TO US 1 signed for San Carlos Avenue?

San Carlos is not state maintained at the moment, and the last time I talked to FDOT about the reconstruction project, they said that it will not be state maintained.

I have a hunch that it WAS a leg of SR 5 or A1A back in the day, but I cannot find any corroborating evidence.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on March 14, 2021, 09:00:55 PM
Quote from: florida on March 14, 2021, 08:12:48 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 03, 2021, 10:43:08 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on March 02, 2021, 03:07:09 PM
Quote from: Mileage Mike on February 24, 2021, 09:59:14 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 29, 2021, 09:50:30 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 29, 2021, 08:59:21 PM
St. Augustine (US BUS 1, FL A1A)

Got any info/pics on how the US-1 Bus/FL-A1A intersection here was ultimately configured?
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9096336,-81.3203186,238m/data=!3m1!1e3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO-kBBTxhDY
See 42:45 Mark

Interesting.  Going to have to decide how I want to deal with that on TM.

Also, noticed that the first 'Business US-1 (https://goo.gl/maps/1SzYSRBJtzH79eiy7)' shield was turned around in that video.  I wonder why.


Bigger question why is the straight through US 1 Business signed as San Marco Avenue solo and TO US 1 signed for San Carlos Avenue?

San Carlos is not state maintained at the moment, and the last time I talked to FDOT about the reconstruction project, they said that it will not be state maintained.

I have a hunch that it WAS a leg of SR 5 or A1A back in the day, but I cannot find any corroborating evidence.

GIS is currently showing US-1 Business 'ending' @ Cuna Street (https://goo.gl/maps/D8QCmjcgSPCCer5q7) with FL-A1A & FL-5A only just to the north.

As for San Marco Ave north of the FL-A1A 'split', GIS is still showing it as FL-5A up to FL-16.  Then it shows it becoming CR-5.

If FDOT is giving up San Marco Ave north of FL-A1A, they should take over W San Carlos Ave, and put 5A and US-1 Business onto it so that Business 1 doesn't have a gap.

If they're going the 'gap' way, then they should at minimum go thru the AASHTO and officially shorten US-1 Business.

===

And on a side note, did find this interesting sign on the 'CR-5' segment talking about the reconstruction, and officially referencing it at US-1 Business: https://goo.gl/maps/sz2YAK61sJXhcueD9
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ozarkman417 on March 14, 2021, 10:20:12 PM
A construction contractor signed an unsigned route when erecting temporary signage along US 301 at I-95. With the unsigned route (at least at that point) being FL 200. No picture, maybe on the way back up north..
With so many unsigned routes in the state, this might not be a unique occurrence?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: oscar on March 14, 2021, 10:32:41 PM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on March 14, 2021, 10:20:12 PM
A construction contractor signed an unsigned route when erecting temporary signage along US 301 at I-95. With the unsigned route (at least at that point) being FL 200. No picture, maybe on the way back up north..
With so many unsigned routes in the state, this might not be a unique occurrence?

US 301 doesn't intersect I-95 anywhere in Florida. But FL 200's northern segment does, and has long been signed all the way (concurrent with FL A1A) from Fernandina Beach to its intersection with US 301 in Callahan about a dozen miles west of I-95.

FL 200 also has a southern segment, which intersects I-75 (not I-95) and US 301 near Ocala. AFAIK, that FL 200 segment has also long been signed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jim on March 14, 2021, 10:41:49 PM
Quote from: oscar on March 14, 2021, 10:32:41 PM
US 301 doesn't intersect I-95 anywhere in Florida. But FL 200's northern segment does, and has long been signed all the way (concurrent with FL A1A) to its intersection with US 301 in Callahan about a dozen miles west of I-95.

Yes, here's a picture in Callahan just east of where US 301 turns north toward Folkston from back on New Years Day 2005:

(https://www.teresco.org/pics/signs/20050101/fla1afl200.jpg)

Now there is the longstanding oddball Florida 200 on the concurrency with US 301, between Ocala and Starke.

(https://www.teresco.org/pics/signs/20120218/us301fl200.jpg)

And yes, the southern segment has also long been signed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ozarkman417 on March 14, 2021, 11:24:34 PM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on March 14, 2021, 10:20:12 PM
US 301 at I-95.
I meant to say I-10 here. Clearly two straight days on the road has made an impact on my ability to think.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 15, 2021, 02:44:38 AM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on March 14, 2021, 11:24:34 PM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on March 14, 2021, 10:20:12 PM
US 301 at I-95.
I meant to say I-10 here. Clearly two straight days on the road has made an impact on my ability to think.

I knew you meant I-10, and have a photo of the contractor signage posted on the site:
(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/010/i-010-w-exit-343-6.jpg)

01/20/19
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: pianocello on March 15, 2021, 07:32:05 PM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on March 14, 2021, 10:20:12 PM
A construction contractor signed an unsigned route when erecting temporary signage along US 301 at I-95. With the unsigned route (at least at that point) being FL 200. No picture, maybe on the way back up north..
With so many unsigned routes in the state, this might not be a unique occurrence?

I've seen it a couple times. During one of the phases of the I-4 Ultimate project, there were temporary FL 438 shields in reference to Princeton St in Orlando, despite FDOT not maintaining that stretch at that time (although in the contractors' defense, it may have still been a State Route when the traffic control plans were made).

Also, SR 45 is the unsigned designation for most of US 41, but it's signed on street blades in a couple places. Here's one in Williston (Link) (https://goo.gl/maps/Cdsv4QgXTBxUiPZX9) and one in Newberry (Link) (https://goo.gl/maps/rHU8SBKvcp1o4Bky9).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on March 15, 2021, 09:31:58 PM
Figured this would be the place to ask. Is there usually a delay in the Central Florida Expressway posting tolls to a SunPass account? I was on 417 today and the CFX tolls didn't post, while the tolls from the FTE sections are already up. I also have an E-ZPass in the car, but it was wrapped up in a no-read bag and stowed my glove box.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on March 15, 2021, 09:44:21 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on March 15, 2021, 09:31:58 PM
Figured this would be the place to ask. Is there usually a delay in the Central Florida Expressway posting tolls to a SunPass account? I was on 417 today and the CFX tolls didn't post, while the tolls from the FTE sections are already up. I also have an E-ZPass in the car, but it was wrapped up in a no-read bag and stowed my glove box.

In my experience that's often the case. FTE tolls will post more or less immediately, CFX ones will have some delay but not normally more than about a day or so.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Sani on March 18, 2021, 01:30:53 AM
Does anyone have photos of the signs FDOT originally installed on I-75 in Southwest Florida back in the 80s? When my parents and I first drove down to Lee County in 1994, my little roadgeek heart was broken to see all these BGSs with a bunch of blank, green space at the top, and nothing but "Ft. Myers" at the bottom. SR 80, Palm Beach Blvd.? Nope, sorry, just Ft. Myers. Luckett Road? No, you don't put names of streets on freeway signs, just Ft. Myers. This continued all the way down to at least Daniels Parkway, which was at least signed, "Ft. Myers / Cape Coral."

Around 2000, they went back and filled in most of the big empty space on the signs with the state route and the name of the road, albeit in small, uppercase lettering. The signs were again replaced when I-75 was widened to three lanes, and they made the road names a little bit bigger. I don't love this, (https://goo.gl/maps/WWWuJ6mXQfcuPtwe9) but it's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick, as my dad likes to say.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on March 19, 2021, 09:43:14 PM
Quote from: Sani on March 18, 2021, 01:30:53 AM
Does anyone have photos of the signs FDOT originally installed on I-75 in Southwest Florida back in the 80s? When my parents and I first drove down to Lee County in 1994, my little roadgeek heart was broken to see all these BGSs with a bunch of blank, green space at the top, and nothing but "Ft. Myers" at the bottom. SR 80, Palm Beach Blvd.? Nope, sorry, just Ft. Myers. Luckett Road? No, you don't put names of streets on freeway signs, just Ft. Myers. This continued all the way down to at least Daniels Parkway, which was at least signed, "Ft. Myers / Cape Coral."

Around 2000, they went back and filled in most of the big empty space on the signs with the state route and the name of the road, albeit in small, uppercase lettering. The signs were again replaced when I-75 was widened to three lanes, and they made the road names a little bit bigger. I don't love this, (https://goo.gl/maps/WWWuJ6mXQfcuPtwe9) but it's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick, as my dad likes to say.

You mean like this one:

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/i-075-fl-archive-south/i-075_sb_exit_141_22.jpg)
1.25 mile advance sign for SR 80 (Exit 141) along I-75 south (from the AARoads Albums I-75 FLORIDA ARCHIVE - SOUTH (https://www.aaroads.com/albums/nggallery/florida/i-75-florida-archive-south/page/4) page, taken 07/05/2011)

I grew up down there so am very familiar with those specific guide signs. Unfortunately I do not have any older photos other than the one above which is a carbon copy of the original guide sign for SR 80. IIRC the first advance guide sign never had the SR 80 shield affixed while the second sign had one for a while until it fell off, and FDOT never replaced it. Given the freeway was completed by 1979 through Fort Myers, and the fact that it was traveling along a rural setting at that time, FDOT used their rural style guide signs (which only depict the control destination). It was like that for almost all guide signs along I-75 in SWFL since the majority of the region wasn't as built up as it is today.

On a separate note, it would please me if Lee County (and Sarasota County for that matter) can sign their CRs as they are depicted along I-75, as it would give those guide signs more validity. Until it was posted back in the 2000s, even I had no clue that Luckett Road doubled as CR 810, or that Alico Road was supposed to be CR 840.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Sani on March 20, 2021, 01:12:44 AM
Quote from: flaroads on March 19, 2021, 09:43:14 PM
I grew up down there so am very familiar with those specific guide signs. Unfortunately I do not have any older photos other than the one above which is a carbon copy of the original guide sign for SR 80. IIRC the first advance guide sign never had the SR 80 shield affixed while the second sign had one for a while until it fell off, and FDOT never replaced it. Given the freeway was completed by 1979 through Fort Myers, and the fact that it was traveling along a rural setting at that time, FDOT used their rural style guide signs (which only depict the control destination). It was like that for almost all guide signs along I-75 in SWFL since the majority of the region wasn't as built up as it is today.

On a separate note, it would please me if Lee County (and Sarasota County for that matter) can sign their CRs as they are depicted along I-75, as it would give those guide signs more validity. Until it was posted back in the 2000s, even I had no clue that Luckett Road doubled as CR 810, or that Alico Road was supposed to be CR 840.
Yes, exactly like that! Did FDOT run out of money right before they put up the shields and road names in 1979?

And I feel like the CR numbers were added to roads with interchanges that didn't already have them as part of the widening. I never saw any reference to Luckett Road being CR 810 until it showed up on I-75. It's almost like FDOT said, "Look, we can't put the name of the road on the sign unless you give us a county shield number to put up next to it, so figure it out."
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 20, 2021, 10:02:12 AM
Quote from: Sani on March 20, 2021, 01:12:44 AM
Quote from: flaroads on March 19, 2021, 09:43:14 PM
I grew up down there so am very familiar with those specific guide signs. Unfortunately I do not have any older photos other than the one above which is a carbon copy of the original guide sign for SR 80. IIRC the first advance guide sign never had the SR 80 shield affixed while the second sign had one for a while until it fell off, and FDOT never replaced it. Given the freeway was completed by 1979 through Fort Myers, and the fact that it was traveling along a rural setting at that time, FDOT used their rural style guide signs (which only depict the control destination). It was like that for almost all guide signs along I-75 in SWFL since the majority of the region wasn't as built up as it is today.

On a separate note, it would please me if Lee County (and Sarasota County for that matter) can sign their CRs as they are depicted along I-75, as it would give those guide signs more validity. Until it was posted back in the 2000s, even I had no clue that Luckett Road doubled as CR 810, or that Alico Road was supposed to be CR 840.
Yes, exactly like that! Did FDOT run out of money right before they put up the shields and road names in 1979?

And I feel like the CR numbers were added to roads with interchanges that didn't already have them as part of the widening. I never saw any reference to Luckett Road being CR 810 until it showed up on I-75. It's almost like FDOT said, "Look, we can't put the name of the road on the sign unless you give us a county shield number to put up next to it, so figure it out."

I actually like the non-MUTCD format with the road's local name as well as the shield combination, because there's going to be those who work with road names (especially when given directions) and those using the numbers off the map. But if there's no number posted, there's no reason to add to the confusion of the sign.

A lot of SW Florida didn't post reassurance shields for county roads until the mid-2000s. The county route numbers were typically only used for the discontinuous state roads with a similar number. Collier County was a little better at it than Lee County, because of the dearth of SRs after the 1970s.

I have a handful of photos from 1992, but only on the "Alligator Alley" portion of what was to become I-75.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: btl1016 on March 22, 2021, 05:05:05 PM
Update on the FL-Turnpike widening project in South Orlando from 528-Osceola Parkway. Crews have been busy the past two weeks starting to put down the final layer of pavement on the Turnpike mainline. Sadly there's still no progress on CFX paving their portion by connecting the finished flyover ramps from the Turnpike to the 417 mainline.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on March 23, 2021, 05:33:30 PM
Drove the Orange Blossom Trail/John Young Parkway today and it was..... somewhat terrifying. Do pedestrians have a death wish just randomly walking out into the middle of a busy highway? Looks like the widening to Poinciana Blvd is progressing slowly. I don't see how it will do much to relive traffic though. Do they plan on building an interchange or something there?

The amount of traffic in the middle of the day around here just boggles the mind.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 23, 2021, 05:44:39 PM
Sure. Everybody moves to Florida cause they want to live in warmth and think they are getting a break but they are not.

Pedestrians are the worst and luckily they haven't got hit yet got clobbered.  So they will continue to do it as that area gets more urbanized.  It changed so much since I moved there in 1990.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on March 23, 2021, 05:50:14 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 15, 2021, 09:44:21 PM
In my experience that's often the case. FTE tolls will post more or less immediately, CFX ones will have some delay but not normally more than about a day or so.

Just an update on this. The CFX tolls still haven't posted....and they didn't read my E-ZPass by mistake as I checked my account. I did the scotch tape trick with the SunPass transponder, so I hope it read! The FTE toll transactions indicated that my tag was read, not my plate. The transactions posted immediately as "Transaction Type: Transponder Toll", so I suspect the transponder was working fine as debiting by plate usually takes time.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: btl1016 on March 24, 2021, 01:05:38 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on March 23, 2021, 05:33:30 PM
Drove the Orange Blossom Trail/John Young Parkway today and it was..... somewhat terrifying. Do pedestrians have a death wish just randomly walking out into the middle of a busy highway? Looks like the widening to Poinciana Blvd is progressing slowly. I don't see how it will do much to relive traffic though. Do they plan on building an interchange or something there?

The amount of traffic in the middle of the day around here just boggles the mind.

Kissimmee/Poinciana has one of the worst road grid systems anywhere I've seen in the state of Florida. The John Young Parkway/Pleasant Hill Rd intersection is a complete disaster and backs up pretty much the entire day due to the vast majority of the traffic wanting to turn left onto Pleasant Hill Rd from JYP to head down to Poinciana. During the PM rush hour, SB John Young Parkway regularly backs for miles all the way to 192/Vine St in Kissimmee. A flyover ramp from SB JYP to SB Pleasant Hill Rd needed to be built yesterday!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 24, 2021, 01:33:08 AM
And Clay Street is no longer a good alternate either as many have discovered that route to circumvent. The problem is everybody wanted to move to Poinciana that has no economy other than food, retail, and the hospital.  So for work everybody must travel north into Orlando and make Kissimmee a nightmare to pass through even locally.  Poinciana Blvd at US 192 ain’t no better either.

A flyover is planned but when it will be constructed is anyone’s guess. The City of Kissimmee though is building Hoagland Blvd. to extend south of its four lane end near the airport there, but with Tapestry development over the cattle land north of US 192 that may not be a shortcut to JYP as traffic builds up into US 192 from where the changing point from Carroll to Hoagland takes place to that signal there. Then you have the Osceola Parkway Shunpikers using Dyer and Carroll/ Hoagland to US 192 which really doesn’t save time or distance over the price of the toll. However the GPS is Simon and Simon says to turn left onto Dyer from Osceola and pass through 3 School Zones, heavy local and other traffic.

Central Florida had no planning for any of this. Build now and deal with traffic later. Now we are 30 years behind and new roads just spawn more developers and TS to all us who have to leave for work an hour early now due to greedy developers and politicians and the new homes to attract the South Americans and New Yorkers who want to trade snow and higher taxes for palm trees.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on March 24, 2021, 10:27:47 AM
I'm staying further west just over the Polk line. The biggest problem seems to be the lack of thru north-south routes to US-192. You basically have Poinciana Blvd, Old Lake Wilson... and that's it. Interstate 4 is usually parked and a bad option too. The only other decent route is to schlep over to US-27 or brave US-17-92.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: btl1016 on March 24, 2021, 12:16:53 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 24, 2021, 01:33:08 AM
And Clay Street is no longer a good alternate either as many have discovered that route to circumvent. The problem is everybody wanted to move to Poinciana that has no economy other than food, retail, and the hospital.  So for work everybody must travel north into Orlando and make Kissimmee a nightmare to pass through even locally.  Poinciana Blvd at US 192 ain't no better either.

A flyover is planned but when it will be constructed is anyone's guess. The City of Kissimmee though is building Hoagland Blvd. to extend south of its four lane end near the airport there, but with Tapestry development over the cattle land north of US 192 that may not be a shortcut to JYP as traffic builds up into US 192 from where the changing point from Carroll to Hoagland takes place to that signal there. Then you have the Osceola Parkway Shunpikers using Dyer and Carroll/ Hoagland to US 192 which really doesn't save time or distance over the price of the toll. However the GPS is Simon and Simon says to turn left onto Dyer from Osceola and pass through 3 School Zones, heavy local and other traffic.

Central Florida had no planning for any of this. Build now and deal with traffic later. Now we are 30 years behind and new roads just spawn more developers and TS to all us who have to leave for work an hour early now due to greedy developers and politicians and the new homes to attract the South Americans and New Yorkers who want to trade snow and higher taxes for palm trees.

The Hoagland extension has been open for a few months now and it seems to have helped the traffic on Poinciana Blvd somewhat, but has made traffic much worse on 192 now at the Hoagland/192 interchange near the old Osceola Square Mall. It can now take 10 mins to travel 1 mile on 192 now from the Bass Rd Walmart to Hoagland now. The county and FDOT need to focus and fix JYP ASAP by finish the widening from 4 to 6 lanes from Patrick St to Pleasant Hill and prepare for a flyover ramp. The widening of JYP would remove the merge down to 2 lanes before the railroad bridge and could cause the traffic backups to not be as severe until the flyover is complete. Also bridging Poinciana Blvd over both Old Tampa Hwy and 17/92 would help the area as well.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jdb1234 on March 24, 2021, 01:40:06 PM
I drove FL 429 way back in August 2019.  I noted that the whole corridor south of CR 535 had all been developed (when it opened it was in the middle of nowhere).  I told my aunt about that, she told me that she was glad to get out of Orlando when she did.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 30, 2021, 09:26:33 PM
Discovered this button copy sign by chance on I-275:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/2069_30_03_21_9_22_40.jpeg)

(street view (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.1077649,-82.4305412,3a,34.8y,274.08h,91.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s646xS4XqK9kisVz-9JXt0w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192))

Quote from: roadman65 on April 01, 2020, 09:19:28 PM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/49714019293/in/dateposted-public/
A nicely kept Black US 98 shield in Perry, FL.

Sadly gone, after a search for it last month.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on March 31, 2021, 08:14:52 AM
What is the county that best posts the blue pentagon county road signs?  What is the worse?

Are there actually any posted in Duval County?  I know there are none in Miami-Dade County.  Broward has like what one sign?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on March 31, 2021, 08:23:04 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on March 31, 2021, 08:14:52 AM
What is the county that best posts the blue pentagon county road signs?  What is the worse?

Are there actually any posted in Duval County?  I know there are none in Miami-Dade County.  Broward has like what one sign?
I've just seen them via Street View on US 301 at/near 228. That would be in the Maxville area east of Macclenny (which is in neighboring Baker County).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 31, 2021, 09:00:54 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on March 31, 2021, 08:14:52 AM
What is the county that best posts the blue pentagon county road signs?  What is the worse?

Are there actually any posted in Duval County?  I know there are none in Miami-Dade County.  Broward has like what one sign?

I'll try to summarize what I have seen from my travels across the state.

Hernando and Pasco Counties have by far the best, with Pasco probably topping the list as they also post End and Begin shields.
Seminole is pretty good as well.

Citrus, Charlotte, Collier, Escambia and Santa Rosa are all pretty good at posting them.

Walton is pretty good about posting them, though they often use their own version of signage:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/walton-co/cr-185-e-at-cr-183b-2.jpg)
which includes some garbage too:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/walton-co/cr-183-s-at-cr-280-1.jpg)

Calhoun, Holmes, Washington and Jackson are all pretty good about posting them. All three still had Keys shields for a lot of routes until recently. But there also exceptions as CR 164A east of Marianna is not posted at all.

Leon is pretty good about signing them, but do occasionally omit signs for their four digit routes.
Hamilton and Suwannee are pretty good about posting them
Polk is overall good outside city limits.
Sumter is pretty good as is Lake with exceptions at Clermont

Baker, Union and Bradford usually post them

Hit or miss:
Columbia, several around Lake City are not posted.
Okaloosa with only those north of I-10 with any signage.
Bay with many of the 4-digit routes unmarked. Franklin, though there are not many, CR 300 is no longer posted and CR 370 is not signed at all to Bald Point State Park.
Wakulla, CR 372 unmarked at US 98, nothing for CR 373A.
Jefferson, Madison with CR 253 unsigned
Pinellas is good with routes like CR 611 and CR 1, but their internal system varies with CR 184 signed well, but many others unmarked altogether.
Volusia has a ton of 4-digit routes that are not marked, which more or less are internally used numbers for inventory purposes. However through DeLand, Deltona, Orange City, routes like CR 4104 and CR 4155 are posted.

Brevard - have not driven off the state road network that much, but the CR signing seems to be inconsistent. Nothing for CR 3.
Palm Beach only has a handful of routes, but there is signage for CR 707, 809, 880, etc.

Lee does not have a lot, but CR 884 is well marked. There is signage for CR 78 and CR 767 on Pine Island, CR 765 on Burnt Store Road, etc. Ortiz as CR 80B is unsigned and CR 884 through Lehigh Acres is not signed enough.

Not much:
Gulf with no signage for CR 381, 381A, 382, 387, 22, 22A
Hillsborough is terrible is about posting pentagons.

The worse:
Nassau though I've seen a few posted. Have seen zero in Manatee and Sarasota
Osceola next to none are posted outside of CR 419, 522, 532 and 545

As kevinb posted, Duval has CR 228 acknowledged from US 301. The rest are unmarked.
None of which are signed, Miami-Dade has a few inventoried in the FDOT GIS Files such as CR 913 to Key Biscayne, CR 948 along SW 137th Avenue, CR 992 along SW 152nd Street and CR 854 along Ives Dairy Road.
Broward has no county roads designated per the FDOT GIS File.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 31, 2021, 09:57:49 AM
Broward has a few, but only for trailblazers, and almost never for reassurance. One lone exception is on Dixie Highway bridge over the Hillsboro Canal:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/764/32302329430_fd9df9f72f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RdrT9j)

Palm Beach uses them sparingly; usually in rural area, if the entire route has no connected SR counterpart. So you're not likely to find them on an county-maintained extension of a state route.

I haven't seen a county road shield in Miami-Dade county in 35+ years of travels down there.

Monroe has a few, but mostly around the Card Sound Road area (CR 905/905A). I didn't look out for them elsewhere on my last trip through the Keys, so none along US 1.

Martin, Indian River, Collier, Hendry, Okeechobee, Lee, Charlotte, DeSoto, Hardee, Glades, Highlands, and Saint Lucie counties are pretty good about posting most county roads of importance. Usually minor -A or -B roads are not posted.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: pianocello on March 31, 2021, 06:24:52 PM
Quote from: Alex on March 31, 2021, 09:00:54 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on March 31, 2021, 08:14:52 AM
What is the county that best posts the blue pentagon county road signs?  What is the worse?

Are there actually any posted in Duval County?  I know there are none in Miami-Dade County.  Broward has like what one sign?

I'll try to summarize what I have seen from my travels across the state.

(snipped)

I'll tack on what I know:

Alachua is pretty good with the blue pentagons, even with the county routes that are in the Gainesville city limits.

Levy is good at signing them as well, but a lot of them are redundantly signed "County Road C-xxx"  like this (https://goo.gl/maps/JukR1oQJiU68stnZ7).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Stephane Dumas on April 01, 2021, 09:41:13 AM
There's some new photos taken in March of the Gateway Expwy project, showing some girders instealled. https://www.fdottampabay.com/project/235/433880-1-52-01
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 02, 2021, 11:00:09 PM
Polk is good except in Lakeland.  Gilchrist is bad on county roads themselves but good on both US 129 and SR 26.

Nassau sucks. Hillsborough and Sarasota stink as well.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on April 03, 2021, 10:35:55 AM
Whats the traffic situation like in Jacksonville on a weekday morning around 7-8am? Driving back up to NJ and need to know if taking I-295 is a better option vs. I-95. Leaving the Orlando area at 5am to avoid most of the I-4 disaster.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on April 03, 2021, 11:12:28 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on April 03, 2021, 10:35:55 AM
Whats the traffic situation like in Jacksonville on a weekday morning around 7-8am? Driving back up to NJ and need to know if taking I-295 is a better option vs. I-95. Leaving the Orlando area at 5am to avoid most of the I-4 disaster.

If you haven't been around the east side of I-295, I'd go that way just because the Dames Point Bridge is a nice change of scenery.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jaxrunner on April 03, 2021, 06:30:59 PM
I 295 between JTB and the Dames Point Bridge desperately needs another lane. I lived near the beaches and in the afternoon the traffic on I 295 would back up for a couple of miles. South of JTB they added a third lane and it really helped the traffic. Its surprising the eastern section was only 4 lanes as it was built in the 2000s.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on April 03, 2021, 07:49:17 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on March 23, 2021, 05:50:14 PM
Just an update on this. The CFX tolls still haven't posted....and they didn't read my E-ZPass by mistake as I checked my account. I did the scotch tape trick with the SunPass transponder, so I hope it read! The FTE toll transactions indicated that my tag was read, not my plate. The transactions posted immediately as "Transaction Type: Transponder Toll", so I suspect the transponder was working fine as debiting by plate usually takes time.

.....and the CFX transactions finally posted..... on my E-ZPass account! Seems that they married up my license plate after the fact. Still would like to know why the SunPass didn't read though. Nice to know that CFX checks plates against E-ZPass seemingly before they check SunPass. Not going to complain, at least they got billed at the EPass rates somewhere vs. the 2X Toll-By-Plate rate.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on April 03, 2021, 08:09:10 PM
Quote from: Jaxrunner on April 03, 2021, 06:30:59 PM
I 295 between JTB and the Dames Point Bridge desperately needs another lane. I lived near the beaches and in the afternoon the traffic on I 295 would back up for a couple of miles. South of JTB they added a third lane and it really helped the traffic. Its surprising the eastern section was only 4 lanes as it was built in the 2000s.
You're not wrong about that. I live next to the widened portion, and it really is nice. I'm not sure what the holdup is on the other section, though. Traffic can be really bad when trying to get to either UNF or the Town Center. But the good news is that we're getting diverse food and fuel options around here, and much of it already exists.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 03, 2021, 09:09:59 PM
Quote from: Alex on March 31, 2021, 09:00:54 AM
Hernando and Pasco Counties have by far the best, with Pasco probably topping the list as they also post End and Begin shields.
Seminole is pretty good as well.
I've got to say something though. Westbound Hernando CR 578 (County Line Road) has some errors near the intersection of HCR 587 (Mariner Boulevard). When the county widened that section of the road, they got those two signs mixed up.




Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ukfan758 on April 10, 2021, 03:25:43 AM
https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/transportation/2021-03-03/new-plans-for-suncoast-parkway-extension-backed-by-florida-senate (https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/transportation/2021-03-03/new-plans-for-suncoast-parkway-extension-backed-by-florida-senate)

If I'm reading this right the 2019 plans are now scrapped and the Suncoast Parkway will just be an upgraded US-19 with bypasses of signalized intersections and widening for most of the route and the new I-10 interchange will be in Madison county instead of Jefferson County. Indeed, it will save a lot of money this way and it's good that they're moving the interchange closer to I-75 but if they truly want this to be more than a pipe dream there's got to be a lot of incentives to use this toll road to get traffic on it.

North of Perry it should route towards Madison with either a new interchange between FL-14 and FL-53 or upgrade of one of those, then route it along FL-145 to the Georgia line where the road becomes SR-31. In Georgia, they could continue it on there to I-75 just SE of Valdosta as either a freeway or a toll road with the Peach Pass system. The Florida Legislature should also look at allowing the speed limit to be 75-80mph on this section to at least the proposed Turnpike extension (and make the turnpike extension 75-80 as well).

Not regarding this but are there any plans to widen the Turnpike from Colonial Drive (where the 4 lanes each way starts/ends) to I-75? It's desperately needed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: btl1016 on April 10, 2021, 12:29:06 PM
Quote from: ukfan758 on April 10, 2021, 03:25:43 AM
Not regarding this but are there any plans to widen the Turnpike from Colonial Drive (where the 4 lanes each way starts/ends) to I-75? It's desperately needed.

No plans to widen it all the way to I-75, but there are plans to widen it to 4 lanes in each direction from SR-50 Winter Garden/Clermont (Exit 272) to US-27 Leesburg North (Exit 289). Considering how the Turnpike is doing with some of their current construction projects being over budget/delayed (specifically the current Turnpike widening from 528/Orlando South to Osceola Parkway), I wouldn't expect it to be complete any time soon.

https://floridasturnpike.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/435784-1-Widen-Turnpike-from-Clermont-to-Lake-County-Line.pdf

https://floridasturnpike.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/435785-1-Widen-Turnpike-from-Lake-County-Line-to-Minneola.pdf

https://floridasturnpike.com/turnpike-projects/major-projects/widen-turnpike-minneola-interchange-to-us-27/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 14, 2021, 10:59:08 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/2MtWMAmnBMnW8y416
This bridge was just built. According to plans for the direct connection between SR 528 and the Turnpike, this will not remain.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: btl1016 on April 14, 2021, 07:28:50 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 14, 2021, 10:59:08 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/2MtWMAmnBMnW8y416
This bridge was just built. According to plans for the direct connection between SR 528 and the Turnpike, this will not remain.

That's the FL Turnpike construction planning crew for you! It's ridiculous that they still haven't opened the ramps from the Turnpike to 417. The ramps are essentially complete they just have to strip them.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 16, 2021, 02:09:14 PM
Ok..... Which one of you crazy Floridians did this?? :-P :sombrero: :hmmm:

https://twitter.com/wsvn/status/1382750780097241093
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: The Ghostbuster on April 16, 2021, 09:09:10 PM
What was the driver trying to do? Commit suicide?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 16, 2021, 09:16:34 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on April 16, 2021, 09:09:10 PM
What was the driver trying to do? Commit suicide?

Considering how long some of those draw spans take probably just assumed he would die of starvation waiting for it to close. 

Disclaimer; as a former Florida resident this happens more (or at least more people attempt it) than one might assume.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: btl1016 on April 16, 2021, 11:44:40 PM
https://www.wesh.com/amp/article/interstate-4-named-most-dangerous-highway-in-the-nation/36148705

In a shocker, I-4 was once again rated the deadliest and most dangerous road in the country. As someone who just drove from Orlando to Lakeland today, I can confirm with the numerous terrible aggressive and plain stupid drivers on the road each and every day. Just today I witnessed a slower car in the right lane going about 70 mph, a moving truck in the middle lane going about 68 mph and an 18 wheeler in the far left lane (which is illegal on I-4) going about 67mph.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Finrod on April 17, 2021, 06:34:03 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 16, 2021, 02:09:14 PM
Ok..... Which one of you crazy Floridians did this?? :-P :sombrero: :hmmm:

https://twitter.com/wsvn/status/1382750780097241093

Someone watched The Blues Brothers too many times.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on April 17, 2021, 09:22:06 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 16, 2021, 09:16:34 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on April 16, 2021, 09:09:10 PM
What was the driver trying to do? Commit suicide?

Considering how long some of those draw spans take probably just assumed he would die of starvation waiting for it to close. 

Disclaimer; as a former Florida resident this happens more (or at least more people attempt it) than one might assume.

Peaking through the Twitter feed shows the perp was possibly on the phone.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on April 17, 2021, 09:29:54 AM
Quote from: btl1016 on April 16, 2021, 11:44:40 PM
In a shocker, I-4 was once again rated the deadliest and most dangerous road in the country. As someone who just drove from Orlando to Lakeland today, I can confirm with the numerous terrible aggressive and plain stupid drivers on the road each and every day.

No surprises there. When I left Orlando at 5AM last week on a weekday, there was a ton of traffic on I-4, none of it driving all that well (roads in Northern NJ are still usually pretty empty at 5am). Why do people constantly weave and drive like assholes on that road? Its only made worse by people not even coming close to following the 50MPH speed limit thru the construction zones downtown. Also, why does FDOT allow tractor trailers in the left lane in parts of the Orlando area (restriction ends north of 528)?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 17, 2021, 09:48:26 AM
https://wsvn.com/news/local/video-shows-driver-jumping-rising-drawbridge-in-daytona-beach/

https://fb.watch/4WE4nZfily/ for FB subscribers

This is interesting. Guy breaks through the barriers at a drawbridge to imitate the Dukes of Hazard.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on April 17, 2021, 09:55:32 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on April 17, 2021, 09:29:54 AMAlso, why does FDOT allow tractor trailers in the left lane in parts of the Orlando area (restriction ends north of 528)?
There were left exits until the current construction project.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 17, 2021, 10:15:55 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on April 17, 2021, 09:29:54 AM
Quote from: btl1016 on April 16, 2021, 11:44:40 PM
In a shocker, I-4 was once again rated the deadliest and most dangerous road in the country. As someone who just drove from Orlando to Lakeland today, I can confirm with the numerous terrible aggressive and plain stupid drivers on the road each and every day.

No surprises there. When I left Orlando at 5AM last week on a weekday, there was a ton of traffic on I-4, none of it driving all that well (roads in Northern NJ are still usually pretty empty at 5am). Why do people constantly weave and drive like assholes on that road? Its only made worse by people not even coming close to following the 50MPH speed limit thru the construction zones downtown. Also, why does FDOT allow tractor trailers in the left lane in parts of the Orlando area (restriction ends north of 528)?

Two things contribute greatly to why I l-4 is the way it is in Orlando:

-  The surface roads network is among the worst if not the worst for a large American City.
-  There are a ton of toll roads that people won't/can't pay for.   I-4 is at least free to use in the normal travel lanes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 17, 2021, 10:23:25 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on April 17, 2021, 09:29:54 AM
Quote from: btl1016 on April 16, 2021, 11:44:40 PM
In a shocker, I-4 was once again rated the deadliest and most dangerous road in the country. As someone who just drove from Orlando to Lakeland today, I can confirm with the numerous terrible aggressive and plain stupid drivers on the road each and every day.

No surprises there. When I left Orlando at 5AM last week on a weekday, there was a ton of traffic on I-4, none of it driving all that well (roads in Northern NJ are still usually pretty empty at 5am). Why do people constantly weave and drive like assholes on that road? Its only made worse by people not even coming close to following the 50MPH speed limit thru the construction zones downtown. Also, why does FDOT allow tractor trailers in the left lane in parts of the Orlando area (restriction ends north of 528)?

Tampa too with semis. West of I-75 allows semis in all lanes as well.

However Florida is a funny state. You have people driving at all time of day and young adolescents who think cruising around town in their wheels is an activity. Plus the year round weather being warm doesn't keep folks indoors most of the year, so many don't learn to occupy themselves at home like watch TV or crank up the stereo so many are lost going out to find something to do to end boredom.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: The Ghostbuster on April 17, 2021, 01:49:13 PM
I would have thought at least some of the toll roads constructed along Interstate 4 would relieve congestion on the Interstate. Are there a lot of shunpikers that utilize the Interstate instead of using the toll roads along the corridor?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 17, 2021, 01:55:36 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on April 17, 2021, 01:49:13 PM
I would have thought at least some of the toll roads constructed along Interstate 4 would relieve congestion on the Interstate. At there a lot of shunpikers that utilize the Interstate instead of using the toll roads along the corridor?

Yes, you can see evidence of that on any road that runs alongside a toll corridor.  Sand Lake comes to mind especially with 528 shun-pikers. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 17, 2021, 07:05:32 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 17, 2021, 09:48:26 AM
https://wsvn.com/news/local/video-shows-driver-jumping-rising-drawbridge-in-daytona-beach/

https://fb.watch/4WE4nZfily/ for FB subscribers

This is interesting. Guy breaks through the barriers at a drawbridge to imitate the Dukes of Hazard.

Already posted about on the last page. lol.

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 16, 2021, 02:09:14 PM
Ok..... Which one of you crazy Floridians did this?? :-P :sombrero: :hmmm:

https://twitter.com/wsvn/status/1382750780097241093
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Stephane Dumas on April 17, 2021, 08:42:15 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 17, 2021, 09:48:26 AM
https://wsvn.com/news/local/video-shows-driver-jumping-rising-drawbridge-in-daytona-beach/

https://fb.watch/4WE4nZfily/ for FB subscribers

This is interesting. Guy breaks through the barriers at a drawbridge to imitate the Dukes of Hazard.

Yeah and that reminds me also of the car chase scene in The Longest Yard and the jump scene from Dirty Mary Crazy Larry.
https://youtu.be/2zS1SJhQSlQ?t=119
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvxMNSWFJGI
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: democratic nole on April 18, 2021, 11:09:16 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 16, 2021, 02:09:14 PM
Ok..... Which one of you crazy Floridians did this?? :-P :sombrero: :hmmm:

https://twitter.com/wsvn/status/1382750780097241093
If this state properly required front license plates, they would probably know by now.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: democratic nole on April 18, 2021, 11:12:19 PM
Quote from: ukfan758 on April 10, 2021, 03:25:43 AM
https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/transportation/2021-03-03/new-plans-for-suncoast-parkway-extension-backed-by-florida-senate (https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/transportation/2021-03-03/new-plans-for-suncoast-parkway-extension-backed-by-florida-senate)

If I'm reading this right the 2019 plans are now scrapped and the Suncoast Parkway will just be an upgraded US-19 with bypasses of signalized intersections and widening for most of the route and the new I-10 interchange will be in Madison county instead of Jefferson County. Indeed, it will save a lot of money this way and it's good that they're moving the interchange closer to I-75 but if they truly want this to be more than a pipe dream there's got to be a lot of incentives to use this toll road to get traffic on it.

North of Perry it should route towards Madison with either a new interchange between FL-14 and FL-53 or upgrade of one of those, then route it along FL-145 to the Georgia line where the road becomes SR-31. In Georgia, they could continue it on there to I-75 just SE of Valdosta as either a freeway or a toll road with the Peach Pass system. The Florida Legislature should also look at allowing the speed limit to be 75-80mph on this section to at least the proposed Turnpike extension (and make the turnpike extension 75-80 as well).

Not regarding this but are there any plans to widen the Turnpike from Colonial Drive (where the 4 lanes each way starts/ends) to I-75? It's desperately needed.

The Suncoast Pkwy. extension really shouldn't be built. There's not sufficient justification for it.

If they are going to insist on building it, seems to me it would make sense to get the terminus of the road as close to Tallahassee as possible. Having the Turnpike extended west to meet up with the Suncoast Pkwy. would shave some time off of folks who are driving to the capital or westward.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Plutonic Panda on April 18, 2021, 11:19:10 PM
Quote from: democratic nole on April 18, 2021, 11:09:16 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 16, 2021, 02:09:14 PM
Ok..... Which one of you crazy Floridians did this?? :-P :sombrero: :hmmm:

https://twitter.com/wsvn/status/1382750780097241093
If this state properly required front license plates, they would probably know by now.
Ummmm, I'm good with removing front license plate laws. We do NOT need front license plates.

With that said, from what I understand they have already identified the driver.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 19, 2021, 12:29:03 AM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on April 18, 2021, 11:19:10 PM
Quote from: democratic nole on April 18, 2021, 11:09:16 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 16, 2021, 02:09:14 PM
Ok..... Which one of you crazy Floridians did this?? :-P :sombrero: :hmmm:

https://twitter.com/wsvn/status/1382750780097241093
If this state properly required front license plates, they would probably know by now.
Ummmm, I'm good with removing front license plate laws. We do NOT need front license plates.

With that said, from what I understand they have already identified the driver.

I kind of ran with it when I moved from Florida to California.  I put a front plate holder on my Challenger but made up for it with a retro black vanity plate when I got to California.  Considering I actually got what I wanted I was happy with the result. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Plutonic Panda on April 19, 2021, 04:38:38 AM
Which Challenger do you have? I've been eying a 392.

RE front license plates or vanity plates, I've seen some pretty slick ones but I don't think I'd pull it off personally.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: democratic nole on April 19, 2021, 10:38:03 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on April 18, 2021, 11:19:10 PM
Quote from: democratic nole on April 18, 2021, 11:09:16 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 16, 2021, 02:09:14 PM
Ok..... Which one of you crazy Floridians did this?? :-P :sombrero: :hmmm:

https://twitter.com/wsvn/status/1382750780097241093
If this state properly required front license plates, they would probably know by now.
Ummmm, I'm good with removing front license plate laws. We do NOT need front license plates.

With that said, from what I understand they have already identified the driver.
Essentially the entire world, and 30 states (that contain well over a majority of the U.S. population) all require front and back license plates. It continues to make me laugh that so many in this country have such a strong aversion to front plates.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on April 20, 2021, 12:34:17 AM
Quote from: democratic nole on April 19, 2021, 10:38:03 PM
Essentially the entire world, and 30 states (that contain well over a majority of the U.S. population) all require front and back license plates. It continues to make me laugh that so many in this country have such a strong aversion to front plates.

Besides the added expense, I worry about getting singled out for driving a legal one-plate car in two-plate states, though honestly...it hasn't happened to me yet.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: hotdogPi on April 20, 2021, 06:52:36 AM
Quote from: formulanone on April 20, 2021, 12:34:17 AM
Quote from: democratic nole on April 19, 2021, 10:38:03 PM
Essentially the entire world, and 30 states (that contain well over a majority of the U.S. population) all require front and back license plates. It continues to make me laugh that so many in this country have such a strong aversion to front plates.

Besides the added expense, I worry about getting singled out for driving a legal one-plate car in two-plate states, though honestly...it hasn't happened to me yet.

It hasn't been an issue for me in New Hampshire. Massachusetts's pre-1990 plates are green and only require a front plate.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on April 20, 2021, 08:29:14 AM
I'm used to having a front plate due to living in Virginia, but plenty of cars aren't designed for one. The new Corvette is an excellent example of that.

I remember the time Car and Driver noted that the Mazda3 looked like either Bugs Bunny or a kid with buck teeth if you put a front plate on it. It certainly didn't help that the combination of the headlights and the large grille already looked like a bit of a smiley face on that particular car. In my view, though, it looks dumber to relocate it to somewhere off to one side using an aftermarket device as seems to be a current fad among some people.

(https://www.cstatic-images.com/supersized/in/v1/58337191/JM1BM1M33E1165775/9f574435d166ab30d6ff8b7b3c46acc1.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Plutonic Panda on April 20, 2021, 08:47:11 AM
Quote from: democratic nole on April 19, 2021, 10:38:03 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on April 18, 2021, 11:19:10 PM
Quote from: democratic nole on April 18, 2021, 11:09:16 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 16, 2021, 02:09:14 PM
Ok..... Which one of you crazy Floridians did this?? :-P :sombrero: :hmmm:

https://twitter.com/wsvn/status/1382750780097241093
If this state properly required front license plates, they would probably know by now.
Ummmm, I'm good with removing front license plate laws. We do NOT need front license plates.

With that said, from what I understand they have already identified the driver.
Essentially the entire world, and 30 states (that contain well over a majority of the U.S. population) all require front and back license plates. It continues to make me laugh that so many in this country have such a strong aversion to front plates.
Because it's popular must mean it's the right thing to do.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jhuntin1 on April 20, 2021, 11:12:15 AM
Quote from: formulanone on April 20, 2021, 12:34:17 AM
Besides the added expense, I worry about getting singled out for driving a legal one-plate car in two-plate states, though honestly...it hasn't happened to me yet.

The last time I did a ride-along with my brother, a deputy in rural Nebraska, he had a note in his car with a list of one-plate states.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: btl1016 on April 27, 2021, 05:48:38 PM
The new flyover ramp from the Orlando International Airport Access Road to WB SR-528 is now open!

https://www.528-436interchange.com/construction-alerts/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 28, 2021, 11:33:44 AM
Quote from: btl1016 on April 27, 2021, 05:48:38 PM
The new flyover ramp from the Orlando International Airport Access Road to WB SR-528 is now open!

https://www.528-436interchange.com/construction-alerts/

I guess the Exit number 1A and 1B will have to be 1 or removed then.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on April 28, 2021, 04:28:23 PM
How the heck did they get that flyover built so quickly? There wasn't even a trace of it a year ago! Makes you wonder whats taking so long with the Turnpike-417 ramps.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: btl1016 on April 29, 2021, 01:06:19 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on April 28, 2021, 04:28:23 PM
How the heck did they get that flyover built so quickly? There wasn't even a trace of it a year ago! Makes you wonder whats taking so long with the Turnpike-417 ramps.

Exactly! No clue how they were able to do it, but it's amazing that they were able to get it up so quickly considering they've been working on the Turnpike-417 ramp since late 2018. I think CFX is holding up the ramp from opening at the Turnpike-417 as those ramps constructed by FTE have been essentially been complete for 6 months now, but CFX still hasn't paved the final connection to mainline 417 yet. I have a feeling they are intentionally holding up doing it as they don't want to loose the extra toll revenue they are currently getting from people who use the NB Turnpike-NB 417 ramp that's been open for a few years now and immediately get off at the next exit (Landstar Blvd) and pay the $0.58 toll to then make a "U-Turn on Landstar so they can get back on SB-417 where they have to pay another $0.58 toll. When the direct NB Turnpike-SB 417 flyover ramp opens, they will loose $1.16 in toll revenue as there is no toll both on the flyover ramp and people won't do the "Landstar U-Turn"  anymore.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 01, 2021, 12:07:36 AM
https://www.jupiter.fl.us/1658/FDOT-Project-on-the-US1-Bridge
US 1 to close in Jupiter to replace Loxhatchee River Bridge in 2023.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 02, 2021, 10:25:36 PM
Quote from: formulanone on April 20, 2021, 12:34:17 AM
Quote from: democratic nole on April 19, 2021, 10:38:03 PM
Essentially the entire world, and 30 states (that contain well over a majority of the U.S. population) all require front and back license plates. It continues to make me laugh that so many in this country have such a strong aversion to front plates.

Besides the added expense, I worry about getting singled out for driving a legal one-plate car in two-plate states, though honestly...it hasn't happened to me yet.
Well, I've been singled out by a Hernando County Deputy Sheriff for not having a registration sticker on my New York license plates. That lady didn't even know that New York stopped putting them on license plates for passenger cars and commercial vehicles before she was born.


Hey, I've got another subject I want to bring up; Can anybody try to figure out if there are any possible design flaws on our interstates that might be causing all these people to drive the wrong way on these roads?

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Sani on May 03, 2021, 12:59:38 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on May 02, 2021, 10:25:36 PMHey, I've got another subject I want to bring up; Can anybody try to figure out if there are any possible design flaws on our interstates that might be causing all these people to drive the wrong way on these roads?

The National Transportation Safety Board did a Special Investigation Report (https://www.ntsb.gov/safety/safety-studies/Documents/SIR1201.pdf) (PDF link) in 2012 about causes and potential solutions for wrong-way drivers. The main findings were:
The recommended solutions involve addressing drunk driving, improved testing of older drivers to assess their continued fitness to drive, and improvements to signage and lighting at common entry points, like exit ramps.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 03, 2021, 10:10:11 AM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/51153604972
Untypical way FDOT here chose to sign the two routes from Florida Avenue in Lakeland.

Usually they would assign one assembly.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: btl1016 on May 04, 2021, 03:03:40 PM
Update on the FL-Turnpike widening project from Osceola Parkway to SR-528:

- All 4 Northbound lanes are now open from Osceola Parkway to SR-528 (goes down to 3 lanes once you pass 528)

- Southbound still only has 2 lanes open.

- Turnpike-417 flyover ramps are still not open yet.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: lepidopteran on May 05, 2021, 02:12:24 AM
In Ft. Lauderdale, the eastbound Marina Mile Blvd bridge (SR-84) over I-95 is going to be demolished and rebuilt.  As such, they are expecting traffic delays for the next year.  With both directions of route 84 using the westbound bridge, some motorists wishing will need to take a detour involving a U-turn. 

This is all to help make way for the I-95 express lanes.  Details here (https://www.d4fdot.com/bcfdot/pdf/News_Releases/04-30-21/95%20E%20Phase%203C_SR-84%20WB%20_Flyer_FINAL.pdf)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on May 05, 2021, 05:34:55 AM
Quote from: lepidopteran on May 05, 2021, 02:12:24 AM
In Ft. Lauderdale, the eastbound Marina Mile Blvd bridge (SR-84) over I-95 is going to be demolished and rebuilt.  As such, they are expecting traffic delays for the next year.  With both directions of route 84 using the westbound bridge, some motorists wishing will need to take a detour involving a U-turn. 

This is all to help make way for the I-95 express lanes.  Details here (https://www.d4fdot.com/bcfdot/pdf/News_Releases/04-30-21/95%20E%20Phase%203C_SR-84%20WB%20_Flyer_FINAL.pdf)

That looks like a fun detour if you have a sports car and there's no other traffic, and an extra annoyance for any other situation. Two loop ramps from US 441.

I actually don't think there is that much traffic in that short western stretch of SR 84 between I-595 and I-95; a few inland marinas, a truck shop, and not much else. The SR 84 ramp from northbound I-95 was a little overbuilt, but it also dates from a time before I-595 was completed, so SR 84 acted as the major east-west corridor in the area.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 05, 2021, 11:18:19 AM
They completely destroyed an entire municipality (Village of Hacienda Village) when they built I-595 atop SR 84.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 05, 2021, 08:14:29 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 05, 2021, 11:18:19 AM
They completely destroyed an entire municipality (Village of Hacienda Village) when they built I-595 atop SR 84.

Also Andytown is long gone.  It was a four way stop at US 27 and SR 84.


In news around the Sunshine State, CFX opened the Airport to SR 528 W Bound flyover ramp and closed the loop ramp there.   Not to mention the exit numbers are gone.  No more 1A for Sr 528 East and 1B for SR 528 West.  No number one either!  Just an APL beyond Cargo Road splitting the four lanes into two for SR 436 and the other two for SR 528 now.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 06, 2021, 07:06:09 AM
I think the exit number for Forest Street and Riverside Avenue I-10 in Jacksonville shouldn't be a duplicate of I-95.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Dirt Roads on May 06, 2021, 08:08:39 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on May 06, 2021, 07:06:09 AM
I think the exit number for Forest Street and Riverside Avenue I-10 in Jacksonville shouldn't be a duplicate of I-95.

Do you mean the Stockton Street exit off of I-10 (Exit 362) having the same exit number as the I-295 Bypass exit near the airport (Exit 362 on I-95)?  Stockton Street off of I-95 is Exit 351C.  Forest Street/Riverside Street off of I-95 is Exit 352A.  Neither of these have a duplicate nearby on I-10, but there is a plain ole' Exit 352 on I-10 for Whitehouse.

Never noticed that I-95 and I-10 in Jax have similar mileposts.  The exit numbering was sequential when I lived there.  And those weren't even close.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on May 06, 2021, 08:32:13 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 05, 2021, 11:18:19 AM
They completely destroyed an entire municipality (Village of Hacienda Village) when they built I-595 atop SR 84.

It was no big loss, honestly. (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sun-sentinel.com/video/sfl-dubious-hacienda-village-20160517-story.html%3FoutputType%3Damp) Locals would bring it up as if a massive piece of history was destroyed but it was a mobile home park, some junkyards, and a bunch of crooked cops.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 06, 2021, 01:54:47 PM
Quote from: formulanone on May 06, 2021, 08:32:13 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 05, 2021, 11:18:19 AM
They completely destroyed an entire municipality (Village of Hacienda Village) when they built I-595 atop SR 84.

It was no big loss, honestly. (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sun-sentinel.com/video/sfl-dubious-hacienda-village-20160517-story.html%3FoutputType%3Damp) Locals would bring it up as if a massive piece of history was destroyed but it was a mobile home park, some junkyards, and a bunch of crooked cops.

I had a county map from about 1984 and I remember seeing a trailer park and something else as to the extent of the village.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 06, 2021, 11:56:35 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on May 06, 2021, 08:08:39 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on May 06, 2021, 07:06:09 AM
I think the exit number for Forest Street and Riverside Avenue I-10 in Jacksonville shouldn't be a duplicate of I-95.

Do you mean the Stockton Street exit off of I-10 (Exit 362) having the same exit number as the I-295 Bypass exit near the airport (Exit 362 on I-95)?  Stockton Street off of I-95 is Exit 351C.  Forest Street/Riverside Street off of I-95 is Exit 352A.  Neither of these have a duplicate nearby on I-10, but there is a plain ole' Exit 352 on I-10 for Whitehouse.

Never noticed that I-95 and I-10 in Jax have similar mileposts.  The exit numbering was sequential when I lived there.  And those weren't even close.
No, I mean Forest and Riverside having the same exit number on I-10 as it does on I-95. On I-10 you've got Exit 362 followed by Exit 352A,  whereas on I-95 the numerical order is a little more consistent (SB I-95, where Exit 352B is followed by Exit 352A).  Assuming that the ramp to Forest and Riverside is one mile away, or close enough to it, the exit number should be 363.


Region 7 made the same mistake with the new off-ramp from I-275 to FL 56, until I called them up and recommended they used Exit 59 instead.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 07, 2021, 12:06:34 AM
There's no exit from I-10 to Forest/Riverside. It's an exit from the ramp to I-95 north.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 07, 2021, 12:10:55 AM
Quote from: NE2 on May 07, 2021, 12:06:34 AM
There's no exit from I-10 to Forest/Riverside. It's an exit from the ramp to I-95 north.
Yes, the ramp to I-95. But it's still from I-10, not I-95.
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.320467,-81.6830383,3a,75y,82.49h,90.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_A2tqVWqEQPHnoYvqtzzHQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.320467,-81.6830383,3a,75y,82.49h,90.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_A2tqVWqEQPHnoYvqtzzHQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en)



Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Dirt Roads on May 07, 2021, 09:47:35 AM
Quote from: NE2 on May 07, 2021, 12:06:34 AM
There's no exit from I-10 to Forest/Riverside. It's an exit from the ramp to I-95 north.

Quote from: D-Dey65 on May 07, 2021, 12:10:55 AM
Yes, the ramp to I-95. But it's still from I-10, not I-95.
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.320467,-81.6830383,3a,75y,82.49h,90.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_A2tqVWqEQPHnoYvqtzzHQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.320467,-81.6830383,3a,75y,82.49h,90.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_A2tqVWqEQPHnoYvqtzzHQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en)

Agreed.  I worked on the Skyway back about 10 years ago, so I was all over this area but I didn't ever get a chance to take this ramp.  When I lived there back in the mid-1980s, this was the section where I-95 southbound was only one-lane wide from the I-10 split approaching the Fuller Warren drawbridge. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 10, 2021, 09:58:04 AM
You know, I used to think this sign was along westbound I-10 approaching Alabama:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Alabama_Welcome_Center_Sign_(15641641838).jpg (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Alabama_Welcome_Center_Sign_(15641641838).jpg)

Now, I'm finding that hard to believe:
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.5710105,-87.4033115,3a,75y,281.46h,81.1t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s9w9AxTv6bySrGkw9lcnYtw!2e0!5s20190901T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.5710105,-87.4033115,3a,75y,281.46h,81.1t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s9w9AxTv6bySrGkw9lcnYtw!2e0!5s20190901T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)




Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on May 10, 2021, 11:16:06 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on May 10, 2021, 09:58:04 AM
You know, I used to think this sign was along westbound I-10 approaching Alabama:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Alabama_Welcome_Center_Sign_(15641641838).jpg (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Alabama_Welcome_Center_Sign_(15641641838).jpg)

Now, I'm finding that hard to believe:
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.5710105,-87.4033115,3a,75y,281.46h,81.1t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s9w9AxTv6bySrGkw9lcnYtw!2e0!5s20190901T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.5710105,-87.4033115,3a,75y,281.46h,81.1t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s9w9AxTv6bySrGkw9lcnYtw!2e0!5s20190901T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)


I was northbound on US 231 in January 2013 when I took that photo. It's rare to see a sign for another state's welcome center. The welcome center is very close to the state line.

Here's another photo of that sign from another Flickr member > https://flic.kr/p/9vUQUY
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on May 10, 2021, 12:00:42 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on May 10, 2021, 09:58:04 AM
You know, I used to think this sign was along westbound I-10 approaching Alabama:

That sign is also gone from GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.9884531,-85.4075583,3a,75y,17.65h,84.77t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sZSPBy-0ghmLU4hCTLLy86Q!2e0!5s20110601T000000!7i3328!8i1664) but you can find it if you go back some years.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: asdfjkll on May 10, 2021, 09:20:25 PM
Quote from: clef on May 10, 2021, 12:00:42 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on May 10, 2021, 09:58:04 AM
You know, I used to think this sign was along westbound I-10 approaching Alabama:

That sign is also gone from GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.9884531,-85.4075583,3a,75y,17.65h,84.77t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sZSPBy-0ghmLU4hCTLLy86Q!2e0!5s20110601T000000!7i3328!8i1664) but you can find it if you go back some years.
That sign appears to have been replaced in 2013 with a newer sign further up the road past that curve in the background.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 11, 2021, 01:14:38 AM
Quote from: formulanone on May 10, 2021, 11:16:06 AM
I was northbound on US 231 in January 2013 when I took that photo. It's rare to see a sign for another state's welcome center. The welcome center is very close to the state line.

Here's another photo of that sign from another Flickr member > https://flic.kr/p/9vUQUY


Hey, thanks for the tip. I know of some other signs for the southbound I-95 North Carolina Welcome Center in Virginia:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Two_Miles_to_I-95_NC_Welcome_Center_in_VA.jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SB_I-95_NC_Welcome_Center_sign_in_VA.jpg

Also on US 17 south of Kingsland, Georgia, you'll find signs for the Florida Agricultural Inspection Station north (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.7504099,-81.6876459,3a,75y,200.26h,93.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-8AlAXRY1rUQSWrfpDcqrg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en) of the St. Mary's River.



Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 18, 2021, 09:41:48 AM
I need some Gainesville info; When were all the truck routes of Florida State Roads 24, 26, 121, and US 441 established? I haven't found a single link about them on the web.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 19, 2021, 06:56:59 AM
Has anybody been on FL-46 as of late in the Wekiva Parkway construction area?

OSM is showing that FL-46 has been realigned onto the Wekiva alignment between Old CR-46A & Exit 44 and would like some confirmation on this so I can update TM's FL-46 file with this change.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/28.8137/-81.4929
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: btl1016 on May 21, 2021, 11:41:55 AM
Turnpike-417 flyover ramps officially open as of today!

(https://imgur.com/download/N8IHw7S/)

https://floridasturnpike.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Floridas-Turnpike-Enterprise-Opens-New-Ramps-at-SR-417-Interchange-in-Orlando.pdf

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on May 21, 2021, 04:39:06 PM
Quote from: btl1016 on May 21, 2021, 11:41:55 AM
Turnpike-417 flyover ramps officially open as of today!

(https://imgur.com/download/N8IHw7S/)

https://floridasturnpike.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Floridas-Turnpike-Enterprise-Opens-New-Ramps-at-SR-417-Interchange-in-Orlando.pdf



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwZAOcXiILs

Here's the YouTube video of the new interchange from Florida's Turnpike.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 21, 2021, 06:58:28 PM
Quote from: btl1016 on May 21, 2021, 11:41:55 AM
Turnpike-417 flyover ramps officially open as of today!

(https://imgur.com/download/N8IHw7S/)

https://floridasturnpike.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Floridas-Turnpike-Enterprise-Opens-New-Ramps-at-SR-417-Interchange-in-Orlando.pdf


I feel like so many flyovers replacing cloverleafs would be simplified if they used this design.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: RG407 on May 24, 2021, 12:23:06 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on May 19, 2021, 06:56:59 AM
Has anybody been on FL-46 as of late in the Wekiva Parkway construction area?

OSM is showing that FL-46 has been realigned onto the Wekiva alignment between Old CR-46A & Exit 44 and would like some confirmation on this so I can update TM's FL-46 file with this change.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/28.8137/-81.4929 (https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/28.8137/-81.4929)

OSM looks to be accurate.  SR 46 isn't signed very well on the surface streets, but you do have to use the interchange with Wekiva Parkway/SR 429 in order to stay on 46.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 25, 2021, 01:25:24 AM
Quote from: RG407 on May 24, 2021, 12:23:06 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on May 19, 2021, 06:56:59 AM
Has anybody been on FL-46 as of late in the Wekiva Parkway construction area?

OSM is showing that FL-46 has been realigned onto the Wekiva alignment between Old CR-46A & Exit 44 and would like some confirmation on this so I can update TM's FL-46 file with this change.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/28.8137/-81.4929 (https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/28.8137/-81.4929)

OSM looks to be accurate.  SR 46 isn't signed very well on the surface streets, but you do have to use the interchange with Wekiva Parkway/SR 429 in order to stay on 46.

Thanks for the confirmation.

Also, seems I need to split FL-46 into 2 separate files now anyways.
https://goo.gl/maps/mGwjUvncU6wduVZS6

Do you know the status of signage between FL-453 (Toll) & CR-46A?  Is there a similar "END" shield @ FL-453?  Only reason I'm asking is because of this on the end of FL-453 saying FL-46 only goes West from there (StreetView, February '20 (https://goo.gl/maps/YTdVG2EbdSqbFQW39)).

I'd have no problem ATM just cutting out the 'CR-46A' segment since it's pretty well signed and dealing with the segment between FL-453 & CR-46A at a later time, due to signage at least being still present as of February '20 per StreetView & the latest GIS data (from 05/22/21) still staying that's part of FL-46.  (Weirdly enough, they say CR-46A is SR-46A in the GIS, but that might just be temporary.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on May 28, 2021, 04:01:08 PM
As of today (May 28, 2021), Florida's Turnpike Enterprise (FTE) now accepts EZ-Pass on their system!

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on May 28, 2021, 04:39:06 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on May 28, 2021, 04:01:08 PM
As of today (May 28, 2021), Florida's Turnpike Enterprise (FTE) now accepts EZ-Pass on their system!
Woo-hoo! Finally!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on May 28, 2021, 04:52:34 PM
Figures they start taking E-ZPass right after I buy a SunPass :P Guess I'll close that account and rip the sticker off.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on May 28, 2021, 05:01:25 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on May 28, 2021, 04:52:34 PM
Figures they start taking E-ZPass right after I buy a SunPass :p Guess I'll close that account and rip the sticker off.
My dad keeps forgetting to cancel our EZPass account. We've had E-Pass since the last time we were going to Disney World.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jmacswimmer on May 28, 2021, 05:28:39 PM
Interesting that SunPass users will have to purchase a new transponder in order to use their SunPass accounts in any E-ZPass states not named GA or NC, but I presume it's due to most E-ZPass states being unable to read the existing SunPass stickers.

But good to know for any future trips to FL I can just use my existing E-ZPass and (more importantly) not have to deal with tolls-by-mail! (paging vdeane - you no longer have to shunpike the Homestead Extension (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29353.msg2616342#msg2616342)! :biggrin:)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on May 28, 2021, 05:46:43 PM
E-ZPass roadways don't have readers for the ISO 6B SeGo RFID sticker transponders used by SunPass and E-Pass. This is really a case of another toll agency bending backwards to support the ancient active transponder tech and not true inter-op. FTE likely retrofitted new multi-protocol lane readers for the IAG tags.

I find it frustrating that the E-ZPass IAG hasn't pushed for passive sticker tag readers on their member toll roads. Eventually the existing equipment has to be replaced and might as well phase in the newer technology in the process. The stickers are much cheaper to make and you don't have to deal with a battery going dead.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ran4sh on May 28, 2021, 06:24:12 PM
I agree.

And the only advantage of the hard case transponder is that they can be moved between different cars. But that's not an inherent advantage, because the sticker type transponder could simply be redesigned to be removable.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on May 28, 2021, 06:45:17 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on May 28, 2021, 06:24:12 PM
I agree.

And the only advantage of the hard case transponder is that they can be moved between different cars. But that's not an inherent advantage, because the sticker type transponder could simply be redesigned to be removable.

It is removable. You just use tape to fasten it to the windshield.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: vdeane on May 28, 2021, 09:33:05 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on May 28, 2021, 06:24:12 PM
I agree.

And the only advantage of the hard case transponder is that they can be moved between different cars. But that's not an inherent advantage, because the sticker type transponder could simply be redesigned to be removable.
There's also the ability to record the entry point and transmit it back, but I'm not sure if that capability is still used, especially given how much longer the virtual ticket system tolls on the Thruway take to post than the virtual barrier tolls (except 24-25 and 25-25A, due to the need to guess whether one used I-88, requiring the virtual ticket system toll to the west to post first).

Quote from: 1995hoo on May 28, 2021, 06:45:17 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on May 28, 2021, 06:24:12 PM
I agree.

And the only advantage of the hard case transponder is that they can be moved between different cars. But that's not an inherent advantage, because the sticker type transponder could simply be redesigned to be removable.

It is removable. You just use tape to fasten it to the windshield.
That's more of a workaround than intrinsic functionality.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on May 28, 2021, 10:29:32 PM
It was interesting, driving down the Turnpike between I-75 and Broward County on Thursday, I noted the "Payment Methods Accepted"  signs all had something covered up in silver. I told my wife I guessed those were E-ZPass logos. I'll have to remove the E-ZPass for the drive back north. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on May 28, 2021, 10:34:14 PM
They updated the SunPass smartphone app with the new color scheme and branding of the website. Gone with the green and in with the blue!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ran4sh on May 28, 2021, 11:01:01 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 28, 2021, 06:45:17 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on May 28, 2021, 06:24:12 PM
I agree.

And the only advantage of the hard case transponder is that they can be moved between different cars. But that's not an inherent advantage, because the sticker type transponder could simply be redesigned to be removable.

It is removable. You just use tape to fasten it to the windshield.

That is what I do, but the toll agency isn't instructing drivers to mount them that way, so there aren't many drivers that do that.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on May 29, 2021, 10:05:53 AM
I note the Florida's Turnpike website shows Minnesota as a state that will be accepting E-ZPass (and the new "SunPass Pro"  device) starting sometime in the near future.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: oscar on May 29, 2021, 11:08:02 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 29, 2021, 10:05:53 AM
I note the Florida's Turnpike website shows Minnesota as a state that will be accepting E-ZPass (and the new "SunPass Pro"  device) starting sometime in the near future.

Perhaps as soon as this summer (https://www.dot.state.mn.us/mnpass/mnpassnews.html).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 29, 2021, 12:09:47 PM
I had a guy who was an Ohio EZ Pass customer whom it registered in my toll lane on Polk Parkway in Lakeland.  So it's now interchangeable.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on May 29, 2021, 12:15:20 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 29, 2021, 12:09:47 PM
I had a guy who was an Ohio EZ Pass customer whom it registered in my toll lane on Polk Parkway in Lakeland.  So it's now interchangeable.

Our SunPass transactions on Thursday all posted to the SunPass account and none posted to the E-ZPass even though I hadn't removed it from the windshield, so I guess it really wasn't working until yesterday. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: RG407 on May 30, 2021, 10:36:09 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on May 25, 2021, 01:25:24 AM
Quote from: RG407 on May 24, 2021, 12:23:06 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on May 19, 2021, 06:56:59 AM
Has anybody been on FL-46 as of late in the Wekiva Parkway construction area?

OSM is showing that FL-46 has been realigned onto the Wekiva alignment between Old CR-46A & Exit 44 and would like some confirmation on this so I can update TM's FL-46 file with this change.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/28.8137/-81.4929 (https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/28.8137/-81.4929)

OSM looks to be accurate.  SR 46 isn't signed very well on the surface streets, but you do have to use the interchange with Wekiva Parkway/SR 429 in order to stay on 46.

Thanks for the confirmation.

Also, seems I need to split FL-46 into 2 separate files now anyways.
https://goo.gl/maps/mGwjUvncU6wduVZS6 (https://goo.gl/maps/mGwjUvncU6wduVZS6)

Do you know the status of signage between FL-453 (Toll) & CR-46A?  Is there a similar "END" shield @ FL-453?  Only reason I'm asking is because of this on the end of FL-453 saying FL-46 only goes West from there (StreetView, February '20 (https://goo.gl/maps/YTdVG2EbdSqbFQW39)).

I'd have no problem ATM just cutting out the 'CR-46A' segment since it's pretty well signed and dealing with the segment between FL-453 & CR-46A at a later time, due to signage at least being still present as of February '20 per StreetView & the latest GIS data (from 05/22/21) still staying that's part of FL-46.  (Weirdly enough, they say CR-46A is SR-46A in the GIS, but that might just be temporary.)

As far as I know, SR 46 is signed as normal west of the construction that's being done around where SR 46, CR 46A and SR 429 all mingle.  I have no idea why there was an END sign in that Streetview shot, but I think it was an error.  It's pretty confusing around there because of the construction and realignments of 46 and 46A.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 31, 2021, 12:44:25 PM
Some car traveling west on FL 570 lost control of his car, hit an empty toll booth, flipped to its side, and slid around until he hit the concrete wall.

Thankfully the driver was unscathed and that no one was inside the booth (As it's not used anymore except if the usual cash lane is down) as the car got totaled and the side of the booth was sheared off.

Was less than 50 feet away and saw it but nothing out of the ordinary before the car crashed.  I couldn't even tell the trooper what the driver had done to flip himself.

Scary situation as many drivers speed through the cash lanes at 70 or greater thinking that it's no big deal. 

Another reason to go all open road tolling.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Plutonic Panda on May 31, 2021, 04:06:48 PM
I don't understand keeping old toll booths at all. They are ugly. The Golden Gate and Bay Bridge still has their toll booths standing as well requiring traffic to come to a crawl though them.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on June 03, 2021, 01:14:09 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on May 31, 2021, 04:06:48 PM
I don't understand keeping old toll booths at all. They are ugly. The Golden Gate and Bay Bridge still has their toll booths standing as well requiring traffic to come to a crawl though them.
Money. Ducats. Simoleons. Quatloos. Gold-pressed latinum. As in LACK OF.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on June 03, 2021, 01:18:38 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on June 03, 2021, 01:14:09 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on May 31, 2021, 04:06:48 PM
I don't understand keeping old toll booths at all. They are ugly. The Golden Gate and Bay Bridge still has their toll booths standing as well requiring traffic to come to a crawl though them.
Money. Ducats. Simoleons. Quatloos. Gold-pressed latinum. As in LACK OF.

Lakeland-area radio station can create a Toll Booth Smash-a-Thon; bring your own demolition equipment and haul it away! We'll be giving away prizes and food and T-shirts that say "I don't quite work for FDOT". Come on Publix, show some love for this idea...help the community, save lives, promote technology, provide the wings and sub sandwiches.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on June 04, 2021, 08:03:26 AM
Quote from: formulanone on June 03, 2021, 01:18:38 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on June 03, 2021, 01:14:09 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on May 31, 2021, 04:06:48 PM
I don't understand keeping old toll booths at all. They are ugly. The Golden Gate and Bay Bridge still has their toll booths standing as well requiring traffic to come to a crawl though them.
Money. Ducats. Simoleons. Quatloos. Gold-pressed latinum. As in LACK OF.

Lakeland-area radio station can create a Toll Booth Smash-a-Thon; bring your own demolition equipment and haul it away! We'll be giving away prizes and food and T-shirts that say "I don't quite work for FDOT". Come on Publix, show some love for this idea...help the community, save lives, promote technology, provide the wings and sub sandwiches.

Have Krispy Kreme throw in warm donuts and it's ON!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 04, 2021, 08:11:37 AM
Quote from: DeaconG on June 04, 2021, 08:03:26 AM
Quote from: formulanone on June 03, 2021, 01:18:38 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on June 03, 2021, 01:14:09 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on May 31, 2021, 04:06:48 PM
I don't understand keeping old toll booths at all. They are ugly. The Golden Gate and Bay Bridge still has their toll booths standing as well requiring traffic to come to a crawl though them.
Money. Ducats. Simoleons. Quatloos. Gold-pressed latinum. As in LACK OF.

Lakeland-area radio station can create a Toll Booth Smash-a-Thon; bring your own demolition equipment and haul it away! We'll be giving away prizes and food and T-shirts that say "I don't quite work for FDOT". Come on Publix, show some love for this idea...help the community, save lives, promote technology, provide the wings and sub sandwiches.

Have Krispy Kreme throw in warm donuts and it's ON!

Donut day is coming up.  If you folks got your vaccination and show your report card to Krispy Kreme, you get two FREE donuts instead of one free one. :sombrero: :sombrero:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 04, 2021, 10:20:12 AM
For some reason FDOT was signed FL 25 instead of US 27 south of Lake Placid in a construction zone I passed through this past week:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51219045593_2b5960e54e_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m33ZNZ)IMG_2351 (https://flic.kr/p/2m33ZNZ) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

Anyone have insight as to what caused the brush fire on FL 997 this past week?  I know there has been a drought but it was a little unusual to find an actual sizeable fire:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51219579964_84bc837893_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m36JEh)IMG_2566 (https://flic.kr/p/2m36JEh) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 04, 2021, 12:01:30 PM
Its been awhile since I looked but it seems FCIT maintained their database of County Maps.  They have a huge collection of 1936-37 Florida State Road Department stuff which shows the Pre-1945 State Roads in detail.  Some of the counties are missing but a lot of major stuff is present:

http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/maps/galleries/county/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 04, 2021, 10:12:19 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 29, 2021, 10:05:53 AM
I note the Florida's Turnpike website shows Minnesota as a state that will be accepting E-ZPass (and the new "SunPass Pro"  device) starting sometime in the near future.
Then E-Z Pass had better start accepting SunPass.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on June 04, 2021, 10:28:15 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on June 04, 2021, 10:12:19 PM
Then E-Z Pass had better start accepting SunPass.

Yes, the SunPass Pro, since the stickers won't work with E-ZPass member's equipment.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: pianocello on June 05, 2021, 08:01:11 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 04, 2021, 10:20:12 AM
For some reason FDOT was signed FL 25 instead of US 27 south of Lake Placid in a construction zone I passed through this past week:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51219045593_2b5960e54e_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m33ZNZ)IMG_2351 (https://flic.kr/p/2m33ZNZ) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

Nice. The project was undoubtedly called "SR 25 from XX to XX" to both the DOT and the consultant, but I'm still surprised that the SR 25 sign managed to stay in the plans through the multiple rounds of back-and-forth between the CAD designer, engineer, internal QC checker(s), and the DOT reviewer.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2021, 11:57:57 PM
Spent some time out on Siesta Key this past week, I'm to understand that FL 72 and FL 758 were recently truncated to US 41.  That said I observed no changes in the field signage on both highways:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51231204769_e42f6112b7_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m48jiX)72FLc (https://flic.kr/p/2m48jiX) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51231204704_063b2a2e1c_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m48jhQ)72FLend (https://flic.kr/p/2m48jhQ) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51229719692_144f06272d_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m3ZGRb)758FLf (https://flic.kr/p/2m3ZGRb) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51231495250_f92628716e_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m49NEf)758FLg (https://flic.kr/p/2m49NEf) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51231193474_46860f4a38_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m48fXd)758FLh (https://flic.kr/p/2m48fXd) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51231193399_eea2dd063b_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m48fVV)758FLi (https://flic.kr/p/2m48fVV) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 07, 2021, 12:16:25 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2021, 11:57:57 PM
Spent some time out on Siesta Key this past week, I'm to understand that FL 72 and FL 758 were recently truncated to US 41.  That said I observed no changes in the field signage on both highways:

Interesting.  GIS data from 05/22/21 does confirm this.  Something to keep on my radar for TM (https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=4380.0).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 07, 2021, 11:56:13 AM
Sometimes it takes years for FDOT to react. Look at SR 559 in Auburndale.  They took months to remove it off of US 92, but along former SR 559 In Downtown, the shields still are up at the turns by the rail crossing.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 07, 2021, 12:00:00 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on June 07, 2021, 12:16:25 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2021, 11:57:57 PM
Spent some time out on Siesta Key this past week, I'm to understand that FL 72 and FL 758 were recently truncated to US 41.  That said I observed no changes in the field signage on both highways:

Interesting.  GIS data from 05/22/21 does confirm this.  Something to keep on my radar for TM (https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=4380.0).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_State_Road_758
How about changing it on Wiki.😁
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 07, 2021, 12:16:18 PM
It is interesting that the county and/or city would want to take on that responsibility for maintenance.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 07, 2021, 12:20:44 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 07, 2021, 12:16:18 PM
It is interesting that the county and/or city would want to take on that responsibility for maintenance.

If it's beachfront they would.  The state frowns upon highway downgrades like the city wants for aesthetic and safety concerns.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 07, 2021, 12:58:01 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 07, 2021, 12:20:44 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 07, 2021, 12:16:18 PM
It is interesting that the county and/or city would want to take on that responsibility for maintenance.

If it's beachfront they would.  The state frowns upon highway downgrades like the city wants for aesthetic and safety concerns.

A lot of the relinquished segments of 72 and 758 are in unincorporated Siesta Key.  The property owners and resorts have a lot of money that probably garners quite a bit of pull locally.  Two large drawbridges are part of the segments of 72 and 758 that Sarasota County just took over, I'm sure it was a win for FDOT to get rid of those.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 07, 2021, 01:50:48 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 07, 2021, 12:58:01 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 07, 2021, 12:20:44 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 07, 2021, 12:16:18 PM
It is interesting that the county and/or city would want to take on that responsibility for maintenance.

If it’s beachfront they would.  The state frowns upon highway downgrades like the city wants for aesthetic and safety concerns.

A lot of the relinquished segments of 72 and 758 are in unincorporated Siesta Key.  The property owners and resorts have a lot of money that probably garners quite a bit of pull locally.  Two large drawbridges are part of the segments of 72 and 758 that Sarasota County just took over, I’m sure it was a win for FDOT to get rid of those.

I am sure as well.  I just know in Tennessee that some cities refuse to annex in a bridge so that they do not have deal with maintenance.  Thereby causing annexation donut holes.  I can see the clout angle that you speak of.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on June 07, 2021, 10:02:20 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on May 28, 2021, 04:01:08 PM
As of today (May 28, 2021), Florida's Turnpike Enterprise (FTE) now accepts EZ-Pass on their system!

This morning the electronic signs on the Sawgrass said "E-ZPass Accepted on All Florida Toll Roads."

That particular drive will probably represent my final SunPass transactions–when we get home, I'll cancel the account. No longer any reason to maintain it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: oscar on June 07, 2021, 10:13:54 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 07, 2021, 10:02:20 PM
This morning the electronic signs on the Sawgrass said "E-ZPass Accepted on All Florida Toll Roads."

That particular drive will probably represent my final SunPass transactions–when we get home, I'll cancel the account. No longer any reason to maintain it.

Can any Floridians comment on whether there's a reason for me to keep my SunPass account, rather than ditch it in favor of E-ZPass? I have an E-ZPass transponder with no switch for HOV usage, which is an important reason for 1995hoo to stay with E-ZPass, but not me.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on June 07, 2021, 10:18:35 PM
Quote from: oscar on June 07, 2021, 10:13:54 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 07, 2021, 10:02:20 PM
This morning the electronic signs on the Sawgrass said "E-ZPass Accepted on All Florida Toll Roads."

That particular drive will probably represent my final SunPass transactions–when we get home, I'll cancel the account. No longer any reason to maintain it.

Can any Floridians comment on whether there's a reason for me to keep my SunPass account, rather than ditch it in favor of E-ZPass? I have an E-ZPass transponder with no switch for HOV usage, which is an important reason for 1995hoo to stay with E-ZPass, but not me.

One consideration might be whether you ever drive on toll roads in Georgia (insofar as I know, all of them are HO/T facilities). I believe those accept SunPass but not E-ZPass.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on June 07, 2021, 10:26:01 PM
Georgia joined the E-ZPass IAG and is planned to accept tags by the end of the year.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on June 07, 2021, 10:33:59 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on June 07, 2021, 10:26:01 PM
Georgia joined the E-ZPass IAG and is planned to accept tags by the end of the year.

Good to know. Thank you for that info.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 08, 2021, 06:31:36 PM
Just out of curiosity, does anybody know what this item is?

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:I-275_Rest_Area;_Northeast_Frontage_Road_SB-2.jpg

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 10, 2021, 09:06:41 AM
I see FDOT is building a test area along US 301 in Clay County.  They are building a third carriage way for the four lane divided highway to make a six lane double divided highway.
https://www.fdot.gov/docs/default-source/materials/pavement/research/reports/stateroad/301.pdf
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on June 10, 2021, 07:07:44 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 04, 2021, 10:20:12 AM
For some reason FDOT was signed FL 25 instead of US 27 south of Lake Placid in a construction zone I passed through this past week:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51219045593_2b5960e54e_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m33ZNZ)IMG_2351 (https://flic.kr/p/2m33ZNZ) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

Way back until the mid-1990s, there was a lone example of a State Road 25 and US 27 sign duo posted somewhere around Okeelanta. After that entire section was four-laned, it mysteriously disappeared.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 10, 2021, 07:33:44 PM
Quote from: formulanone on June 10, 2021, 07:07:44 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 04, 2021, 10:20:12 AM
For some reason FDOT was signed FL 25 instead of US 27 south of Lake Placid in a construction zone I passed through this past week:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51219045593_2b5960e54e_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m33ZNZ)IMG_2351 (https://flic.kr/p/2m33ZNZ) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

Way back until the mid-1990s, there was a lone example of a State Road 25 and US 27 sign duo posted somewhere around Okeelanta. After that entire section was four-laned, it mysteriously disappeared.

Not too far from the FL 700 and FL 15 shields in Martin County that were co-signed with US 98/441.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on June 11, 2021, 12:26:37 AM
No more cash collection on Lee County's three toll bridge crossing! AET is here to stay...

https://www.news-press.com/story/news/local/2021/06/10/lee-county-bridges-electronic-tolls-here-stay-permanent-motorcycle-discount-ended/7610952002/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 11, 2021, 03:31:39 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 10, 2021, 07:33:44 PM
Quote from: formulanone on June 10, 2021, 07:07:44 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 04, 2021, 10:20:12 AM
For some reason FDOT was signed FL 25 instead of US 27 south of Lake Placid in a construction zone I passed through this past week:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51219045593_2b5960e54e_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m33ZNZ)IMG_2351 (https://flic.kr/p/2m33ZNZ) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

Way back until the mid-1990s, there was a lone example of a State Road 25 and US 27 sign duo posted somewhere around Okeelanta. After that entire section was four-laned, it mysteriously disappeared.

Not too far from the FL 700 and FL 15 shields in Martin County that were co-signed with US 98/441.

Did they remove the FL 700 and FL 15 signs?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 11, 2021, 03:47:23 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 11, 2021, 03:31:39 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 10, 2021, 07:33:44 PM
Quote from: formulanone on June 10, 2021, 07:07:44 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 04, 2021, 10:20:12 AM
For some reason FDOT was signed FL 25 instead of US 27 south of Lake Placid in a construction zone I passed through this past week:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51219045593_2b5960e54e_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m33ZNZ)IMG_2351 (https://flic.kr/p/2m33ZNZ) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

Way back until the mid-1990s, there was a lone example of a State Road 25 and US 27 sign duo posted somewhere around Okeelanta. After that entire section was four-laned, it mysteriously disappeared.

Not too far from the FL 700 and FL 15 shields in Martin County that were co-signed with US 98/441.

Did they remove the FL 700 and FL 15 signs?

Not sure, haven't been that way since late 2015. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on June 11, 2021, 05:19:32 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 11, 2021, 03:50:43 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 11, 2021, 03:47:23 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 11, 2021, 03:31:39 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 10, 2021, 07:33:44 PM

Not too far from the FL 700 and FL 15 shields in Martin County that were co-signed with US 98/441.

Did they remove the FL 700 and FL 15 signs?

Not sure, haven't been that way since late 2015.

Still a number of them in place back in 2017:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49524521938_1935cfd6e8_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2isj7XU)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: pianocello on June 12, 2021, 08:18:51 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 10, 2021, 09:06:41 AM
I see FDOT is building a test area along US 301 in Clay County.  They are building a third carriage way for the four lane divided highway to make a six lane double divided highway.
https://www.fdot.gov/docs/default-source/materials/pavement/research/reports/stateroad/301.pdf

That's what they're doing with that? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for research and finding more innovative solutions to construction, but I was hoping it was an effort to get rid of some of the cross streets and traffic signals.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 15, 2021, 11:57:39 AM
This sign here has a lot to be desired.  Or should I say these two signs.  The downward left on the right is pointing to the same place as the upward left right side panel arrow next to it.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51250029360_6ff1759c70_h.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Rothman on June 15, 2021, 12:40:42 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 15, 2021, 11:57:39 AM
This sign here has a lot to be desired.  Or should I say these two signs.  The downward left on the right is pointing to the same place as the upward left right side panel arrow next to it.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51250029360_6ff1759c70_h.jpg)
Airport signage in general is known to be bad.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Plutonic Panda on June 15, 2021, 12:44:54 PM
Quote from: Rothman on June 15, 2021, 12:40:42 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 15, 2021, 11:57:39 AM
This sign here has a lot to be desired.  Or should I say these two signs.  The downward left on the right is pointing to the same place as the upward left right side panel arrow next to it.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51250029360_6ff1759c70_h.jpg)
Airport signage in general is known to be bad.
That makes me wonder what airport has the best signage.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 15, 2021, 01:20:24 PM
This one I found, even though it's correct, bugs me for a reason.  I-95 is via I-395 and 395 ends at I-95. They list it as the tunnel goes to both roads together. Yes true, but if you are going to mention I-95 which comes after I-395s total existence, then word it as I-395 to I-95 and relocate the airport to be with the TO I-95.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/51250029765
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on June 15, 2021, 05:30:37 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on June 15, 2021, 12:44:54 PM
Quote from: Rothman on June 15, 2021, 12:40:42 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 15, 2021, 11:57:39 AM
This sign here has a lot to be desired.  Or should I say these two signs.  The downward left on the right is pointing to the same place as the upward left right side panel arrow next to it.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51250029360_6ff1759c70_h.jpg)
Airport signage in general is known to be bad.
That makes me wonder what airport has the best signage.

That's the Port of Miami...for floaty ships.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jdb1234 on June 16, 2021, 02:42:42 PM
Quote from: formulanone on June 15, 2021, 05:30:37 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on June 15, 2021, 12:44:54 PM
Quote from: Rothman on June 15, 2021, 12:40:42 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 15, 2021, 11:57:39 AM
This sign here has a lot to be desired.  Or should I say these two signs.  The downward left on the right is pointing to the same place as the upward left right side panel arrow next to it.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51250029360_6ff1759c70_h.jpg)
Airport signage in general is known to be bad.
That makes me wonder what airport has the best signage.

That's the Port of Miami...for floaty ships.

I noticed that myself.  I visited the Port of Miami in August 2019 on my way to Miami Beach in order to see the Port of Miami Tunnel.  I thought that sign looked familar.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 16, 2021, 11:57:57 PM
I drove the completed Turnpike from Orlando South to Osceola Parkway. Noticed the ramps open at SR 417 say Tampa and Daytona using an airport emblem to identify MCO.

What got me is they have a SunPass and Toll By Plate banner on the sign which is no longer applicable due to all the road in Central Florida being cash less.

Even Exit 255 for Consulate Drive now has normal guides as the SunPass banner above the sign is gone due to the changeover.  Considering that the SR 417 exit opened after the change, the signing designer would have not included that particular feature.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 20, 2021, 07:16:47 PM
Google Streetview posted some recent shots of Gandy Blvd with the elevated FL-618/Selmon Expwy extension completed.  https://www.google.com/maps/@27.893388,-82.5186736,3a,75y,59.68h,97.2t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2hII_YJdFsThUpZOqVKwAA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 23, 2021, 04:39:23 PM
https://www.cfxway.com/for-travelers/projects/state-road-417-widening-from-international-drive-to-state-road-528/
SR 417 being widened to six lanes from I Drive to SR 528.


Finally.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on June 24, 2021, 08:56:29 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 23, 2021, 04:39:23 PM
https://www.cfxway.com/for-travelers/projects/state-road-417-widening-from-international-drive-to-state-road-528/ (https://www.cfxway.com/for-travelers/projects/state-road-417-widening-from-international-drive-to-state-road-528/)
SR 417 being widened to six lanes from I Drive to SR 528.


Finally.
Yeah I know, it's about time that CFX moved forward with this. I'll be sure to keep this in mind next time I pick up family from the airport. Otherwise I'll be using I-4 straight down or SR 429 from I-4.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on June 29, 2021, 08:46:30 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 23, 2021, 04:39:23 PM
https://www.cfxway.com/for-travelers/projects/state-road-417-widening-from-international-drive-to-state-road-528/
SR 417 being widened to six lanes from I Drive to SR 528.


Finally.


No duh...I use the 417 from the Space Coast to avoid as much of I-4 as possible when visiting family in Tampa and Pasco County.
I'm sure FHP will love it too :-D :pan:.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on June 29, 2021, 08:53:06 AM
That still leaves that crappy little toll plaza at the end of the road near I-4. Have they upgraded that yet? Last time I went through there, it still lacked highway-speed ATC lanes, though I will admit I haven't been that way in a few years because we found we prefer the FL-429/FL-46 route to connect between the Auto Train station in Sanford and places to the south and west.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on June 29, 2021, 09:20:15 AM
I can confirm that the crappy little toll plaza is still there in Celebration. Not that you'll be going anywhere fast after going thru it since I-4 is parked.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: sprjus4 on June 29, 2021, 12:09:46 PM
I'm just waiting for the northern portion of the western beltway (FL-429) to be done at this point. I feel like that will end up being a more reliable bypass for I-4 and Orlando than FL-417, simply due to the fact it dumps you on I-4 further south than FL-417 and avoids the majority of the parking lot near Disney on I-4 which FL-417 does not get you past.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on June 29, 2021, 12:39:52 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on June 29, 2021, 09:20:15 AM
I can confirm that the crappy little toll plaza is still there in Celebration. Not that you'll be going anywhere fast after going thru it since I-4 is parked.

Quote from: sprjus4 on June 29, 2021, 12:09:46 PM
I'm just waiting for the northern portion of the western beltway (FL-429) to be done at this point. I feel like that will end up being a more reliable bypass for I-4 and Orlando than FL-417, simply due to the fact it dumps you on I-4 further south than FL-417 and avoids the majority of the parking lot near Disney on I-4 which FL-417 does not get you past.

Both of those points are why we generally use the FL-429 route as our preferred bypass, construction on FL-46 notwithstanding. If, of course, we were going from the Auto Train to Broward County it'd be a different matter, but the I-4 backup would be irrelevant. (We no longer have reason to visit Viera because my sister-in-law who lived there died last year, but when we visited there we usually took the Bee Line and FL-417 other than one trip where I used FL-46 for a change of pace and to complete a clinch, and of course the I-4 backup was irrelevant there was well.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 29, 2021, 12:40:16 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 29, 2021, 08:53:06 AM
That still leaves that crappy little toll plaza at the end of the road near I-4. Have they upgraded that yet? Last time I went through there, it still lacked highway-speed ATC lanes, though I will admit I haven't been that way in a few years because we found we prefer the FL-429/FL-46 route to connect between the Auto Train station in Sanford and places to the south and west.


Its not going to have special AET lanes like the others.  It will be demolished and all Cash Less tolling there, as the plan is to make all of Florida cash less just like NY and PA have been going for.

With many not following the road, but whatever the GPS tells them, it will be so easy to take money from people as many show up in a cash lane unprepared and unaware of their surroundings including the fact they missed the toll warnings at exit ramps and entrances.  Most people " I am not from around here, so I have no idea this was a toll road!"  Then you say "What about the signs you saw" for them to respond "I don't read the signs.  Remember, I am not from around here."
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ukfan758 on June 29, 2021, 02:10:21 PM
Speaking of Orlando toll roads, what exactly is going to happen with the new 528 express lanes that are being changed to free "thru lanes" ? The FDOT site doesn't mention much. Currently it's basically just Nashville style HOV lanes with the double dash lane markers dividing those lanes from the mainline, making them effectively useless since anyone can get on and off them at any time.

I think installing the lane bollards similar to Miami would make them effective and eventually change it to exclusive use for those getting on the I-4 express lanes once the Beyond the Ultimate project is finished in that section.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 29, 2021, 02:39:25 PM
Quote from: ukfan758 on June 29, 2021, 02:10:21 PM
Speaking of Orlando toll roads, what exactly is going to happen with the new 528 express lanes that are being changed to free "thru lanes" ? The FDOT site doesn't mention much. Currently it's basically just Nashville style HOV lanes with the double dash lane markers dividing those lanes from the mainline, making them effectively useless since anyone can get on and off them at any time.

I think installing the lane bollards similar to Miami would make them effective and eventually change it to exclusive use for those getting on the I-4 express lanes once the Beyond the Ultimate project is finished in that section.

HOV Lane Enforcement at least out side of Nashville-Davidson County is not even really enforced much.  Sometimes Brentwood PD will have a motor out on I-65.  Metro Nashville is hit or miss.  If the traffic division isn't busy working a wreck they may enforce it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 01, 2021, 11:54:49 PM
As someone who is a former resident of the City of Orlando I rarely found myself with a reason to visit Disney World.  That said, I am no longer an Orlando resident and I do enjoy weird roads.  In terms of weirdness the freeway grades of World Drive and Epcot Center Drive rank pretty high given their total disregard for MUTCD complaint signage. 

https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/07/world-drive-and-epcot-center-drive.html?m=1
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 02, 2021, 08:47:44 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 01, 2021, 11:54:49 PM
As someone who is a former resident of the City of Orlando I rarely found myself with a reason to visit Disney World.  That said, I am no longer an Orlando resident and I do enjoy weird roads.  In terms of weirdness the freeway grades of World Drive and Epcot Center Drive rank pretty high given their total disregard for MUTCD complaint signage. 

https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/07/world-drive-and-epcot-center-drive.html?m=1

Does the Reedy Creek Development District, Bay Lake, or Lake Buena Vista receive a portion of the fines collected within the respective boundaries from traffic infractions? 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 02, 2021, 10:35:15 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 02, 2021, 08:47:44 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 01, 2021, 11:54:49 PM
As someone who is a former resident of the City of Orlando I rarely found myself with a reason to visit Disney World.  That said, I am no longer an Orlando resident and I do enjoy weird roads.  In terms of weirdness the freeway grades of World Drive and Epcot Center Drive rank pretty high given their total disregard for MUTCD complaint signage. 

https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/07/world-drive-and-epcot-center-drive.html?m=1

Does the Reedy Creek Development District, Bay Lake, or Lake Buena Vista receive a portion of the fines collected within the respective boundaries from traffic infractions?

Not sure, rumor has it if Disney employees get speeding tickets it ends up as a disciplinary action on their employee record.  In theory Bay Lake as a City ought be able to establish their own police and emergency services.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 02, 2021, 12:27:20 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 02, 2021, 10:35:15 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 02, 2021, 08:47:44 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 01, 2021, 11:54:49 PM
As someone who is a former resident of the City of Orlando I rarely found myself with a reason to visit Disney World.  That said, I am no longer an Orlando resident and I do enjoy weird roads.  In terms of weirdness the freeway grades of World Drive and Epcot Center Drive rank pretty high given their total disregard for MUTCD complaint signage. 

https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/07/world-drive-and-epcot-center-drive.html?m=1

Does the Reedy Creek Development District, Bay Lake, or Lake Buena Vista receive a portion of the fines collected within the respective boundaries from traffic infractions?

Not sure, rumor has it if Disney employees get speeding tickets it ends up as a disciplinary action on their employee record.  In theory Bay Lake as a City ought be able to establish their own police and emergency services.

I have read the minutes of the city council and they contract out the services to the SO.  So they have well established their police powers but contract those out.  It looks like fire and EMS service has been reserved by the Reedy Creek Improvement District as legislated into law back in 1967.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on July 05, 2021, 09:55:03 AM
Maybe it's just me, but this trail bridge for the Spring to Spring Trail over the CSX Sanford Subdivision seems kind of low.

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.9430536,-81.3319253,3a,75y,230.45h,108.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snXKxrF9DsmKOyu4-Gl4eJw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

I really hope I'm wrong on this.



Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Dirt Roads on July 05, 2021, 10:08:59 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on July 05, 2021, 09:55:03 AM
Maybe it's just me, but this trail bridge for the Spring to Spring Trail over the CSX Sanford Subdivision seems kind of low.

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.9430536,-81.3319253,3a,75y,230.45h,108.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snXKxrF9DsmKOyu4-Gl4eJw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

I really hope I'm wrong on this.

Your eyesight appears to be correct.  CSXT and most other Class 1 railroads require a 21-1/2 foot overhead clearance, and this bridge doesn't appear to meet those requirements.  However, most of the trackage south of Deland was purchased by FDOT and is now owned by SunRail (Central Florida Rail Corridor).  We typically use a 17-1/2 foot clearance for commuter rail and other forms of rail transit.  This would limit CSX trains to a lower limit for overheight trains, but there's a good chance that the SunRail stations have similar clearances.  That shouldn't be a problem.  High-roof boxcars are officially 13 feet, so there still should be plenty of room. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on July 05, 2021, 10:55:12 AM
Yeah, but Auto Train uses that line too, and aren't those autorack cars like 20'2"? And SunRail uses bi-level coaches that are 15'11", so I guess if this bridge is only 17.5 feet it's not so bad for them.




Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Dirt Roads on July 05, 2021, 01:35:40 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on July 05, 2021, 10:55:12 AM
Yeah, but Auto Train uses that line too, and aren't those autorack cars like 20'2"? And SunRail uses bi-level coaches that are 15'11", so I guess if this bridge is only 17.5 feet it's not so bad for them.

Response posted in the [Railroad] thread:  https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29673.0 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29673.0)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 06, 2021, 07:21:58 AM
I saw that FL has Sun Pass transponders on sale at CVS in Tennessee.  What is the footprint on these things being sold?  They had them displayed next to the sunglass display.  I wouldn't use one since I shunpike anyway in Florida.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on July 06, 2021, 09:15:36 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 06, 2021, 07:21:58 AM
I saw that FL has Sun Pass transponders on sale at CVS in Tennessee.  What is the footprint on these things being sold?  They had them displayed next to the sunglass display.  I wouldn't use one since I shunpike anyway in Florida.

An enticement for the Florida/Georgia drug runners?

Middle son is a pharmacist with CVS who at one time worked at the stores in Clifton Forge and Covington, Va., right off I-64. He would get random people from out-of-state trying to get oxycodone and other painkiller prescriptions filled (until word got out that he wouldn't play that game). He found out from contacts in the police department that people would load up a van in Ohio, Tennessee, Kentucky, drive them to Florida or Georgia, and have them make the rounds of the strip-mall "pain clinics" to gather as many painkiller prescriptions as they could. They would stop at pharmacies on the trip back to get the prescriptions filled so they would have a vanload of pills to peddle when they got back home.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 06, 2021, 09:49:17 AM
Quote from: VTGoose on July 06, 2021, 09:15:36 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 06, 2021, 07:21:58 AM
I saw that FL has Sun Pass transponders on sale at CVS in Tennessee.  What is the footprint on these things being sold?  They had them displayed next to the sunglass display.  I wouldn't use one since I shunpike anyway in Florida.

An enticement for the Florida/Georgia drug runners?

Middle son is a pharmacist with CVS who at one time worked at the stores in Clifton Forge and Covington, Va., right off I-64. He would get random people from out-of-state trying to get oxycodone and other painkiller prescriptions filled (until word got out that he wouldn't play that game). He found out from contacts in the police department that people would load up a van in Ohio, Tennessee, Kentucky, drive them to Florida or Georgia, and have them make the rounds of the strip-mall "pain clinics" to gather as many painkiller prescriptions as they could. They would stop at pharmacies on the trip back to get the prescriptions filled so they would have a vanload of pills to peddle when they got back home.
+
...but but I have a valid prescription.   LOL
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on July 06, 2021, 01:34:54 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 06, 2021, 07:21:58 AM
I saw that FL has Sun Pass transponders on sale at CVS in Tennessee.  What is the footprint on these things being sold?  They had them displayed next to the sunglass display.  I wouldn't use one since I shunpike anyway in Florida.

CVS has been selling SunPass transponders since the mid-2000's, that's where I got my original one. They also sold SunPass cards that would allow you to recharge your account at any CVS; some clerks would know how to do it while others didn't.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on July 15, 2021, 02:01:24 AM
Some of you probably know that a few of the rest areas along I-75 have been under construction.
https://www.fdot.gov/maintenance/rest-area-app/rest-areas-i-75
And sadly the mid-century modern features of the southbound Sumter County Rest Area are gone. I'm going to miss that, but at least their memory will survive in pictures.


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Interstate_75_rest_area_50192,_Florida


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on July 22, 2021, 01:35:41 AM
Just saw a commercial for EZ-Pass on CNN. It's about SunPass at the same time.

I should note though that I got the E-Pass Xtra before this new change, which doesn't affect me,

Funny thing about CNN being on channel 202 (I have AT&T) is that I live near SR 202, which was once a toll road and will act as a connector between the brand-new 295 HOT lanes and those under consideration for I-95 north of 202. Even funnier is that a local cars and coffee thing at the Avenues Mall was merged with that hosted at the Perimeter Mall. Now both are hosted by NBC Sports. And Jay Leno was scheduled to appear here this month.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on July 24, 2021, 10:30:59 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2021, 11:57:57 PM
Spent some time out on Siesta Key this past week, I'm to understand that FL 72 and FL 758 were recently truncated to US 41.  That said I observed no changes in the field signage on both highways:

After you mentioned that both were still signed, headed down there to photograph them as well. Then ended up taking SR 758 east all the way to I-75. Was surprised to discover that there are zero reassurance markers posted along Bee Ridge Road eastbound.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ukfan758 on July 24, 2021, 12:25:59 PM
 https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2021/07/21/construction-finally-begins-to-ease-championsgate-congestion (https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2021/07/21/construction-finally-begins-to-ease-championsgate-congestion)

Desperately needed but any improvements to traffic flow on the ramps especially probably won't be seen until the rest of the I-4 Beyond the Ultimate work is finished.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on July 24, 2021, 03:49:42 PM
Quote from: ukfan758 on July 24, 2021, 12:25:59 PM
https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2021/07/21/construction-finally-begins-to-ease-championsgate-congestion (https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2021/07/21/construction-finally-begins-to-ease-championsgate-congestion)

Desperately needed but any improvements to traffic flow on the ramps especially probably won't be seen until the rest of the I-4 Beyond the Ultimate work is finished.

The DDI is just a band aid improvement. The proximity to the exchange with the south end of SR 429 became a problem with the ridiculous amount of growth coupled without any capacity improvements. It shows when traffic on I-4 can be congested at 9 PM on a Saturday. Any gains that may be made will be lost as the whole east side of I-4 from CR 532 to Celebration is filling in with sprawl at a rapid pace. And all of that new development will feed into the same congested interchange across from Championsgate. With no new roads built to provide an alternate, the only thing people can do is either adjust their schedule to be through there very early in the morning or later at night, or to just be mentally prepared to trudge through the traffic congestion.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-004-osceola.png)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on July 25, 2021, 03:46:08 PM
As I posted earlier, the entire NE Polk County area suffers from an inadequate roadway network. I-4 access is forced to use CR-532 and N-S traffic between Disney/US-192 and CR-532 and south is all forced onto Lake Wilson Rd. (southbound traffic is so bad, some guy sets up camp and sells refreshments in the afternoon!) or I-4. Otherwise you have to go out of your way via congested US-17/92 or US-27.

Logically, extending World Dr. southwards to Poinciana Parkway would help, but that'll never happen due to environmental impacts. Some of the CFX planning docs have a possible Poinciana Parkway extension along CR-532 to that bastard interchange!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: btl1016 on July 25, 2021, 10:02:57 PM
Quote from: Alex on July 24, 2021, 03:49:42 PM
Quote from: ukfan758 on July 24, 2021, 12:25:59 PM
https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2021/07/21/construction-finally-begins-to-ease-championsgate-congestion (https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2021/07/21/construction-finally-begins-to-ease-championsgate-congestion)

Desperately needed but any improvements to traffic flow on the ramps especially probably won't be seen until the rest of the I-4 Beyond the Ultimate work is finished.

The DDI is just a band aid improvement. The proximity to the exchange with the south end of SR 429 became a problem with the ridiculous amount of growth coupled without any capacity improvements. It shows when traffic on I-4 can be congested at 9 PM on a Saturday. Any gains that may be made will be lost as the whole east side of I-4 from CR 532 to Celebration is filling in with sprawl at a rapid pace. And all of that new development will feed into the same congested interchange across from Championsgate. With no new roads built to provide an alternate, the only thing people can do is either adjust their schedule to be through there very early in the morning or later at night, or to just be mentally prepared to trudge through the traffic congestion.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-004-osceola.png)

The main culprit of the horrific backups near this area aren't due to Exit 58/CR-532 but the merge from the on-ramp at World Drive/SR-417 onto WB I-4. The frontage road ramp system quickly merges 2 lanes of the 417 and the single ramp from World Drive into a single lane on-ramp that dumps all the traffic into the far right lane of the WB I-4 mainline with no merging lane at all. For a road that was just re-constructed and widened about 15 years ago, I have no idea why more merging room wasn't given for this on-ramp or a auxiliary lane that goes straight to Exit 60/SR-429 wasn't constructed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 02, 2021, 03:27:07 PM
Maybe ramp meters should be installed at the 417 and World Drive merge.  Unfortunately FDOT doesn't have that in their vocabulary.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on August 02, 2021, 04:00:14 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 02, 2021, 03:27:07 PM
Maybe ramp meters should be installed at the 417 and World Drive merge.  Unfortunately FDOT doesn't have that in their vocabulary.
http://www.fdot.gov/traffic/Ramp-Signaling
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 02, 2021, 06:50:11 PM
Quote from: NE2 on August 02, 2021, 04:00:14 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 02, 2021, 03:27:07 PM
Maybe ramp meters should be installed at the 417 and World Drive merge.  Unfortunately FDOT doesn't have that in their vocabulary.
http://www.fdot.gov/traffic/Ramp-Signaling
And ramp meter signals have been added for the I-275 Bus on Shoulder (BOS) pilot project in St. Petersburg, so that will be another instance besides the ones in Miami.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 10, 2021, 11:59:47 AM
I see AASHTO disapproves US 301 Bypass in Baldwin.

They want it as US 301 Alternate.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 11, 2021, 07:53:09 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 10, 2021, 11:59:47 AM
I see AASHTO disapproves US 301 Bypass in Baldwin.

They want it as US 301 Alternate.
Too bad. The current sign still calls it a bypass.
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.2915984,-81.9829625,3a,75y,359.63h,89.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdijbBn64-tFjntL203Xbxw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

I don't know why they just wont make that the US 301 main line, and redesignate the current US 301 into US 301 Business.

I also don't see why FDOT didn't add an interchange at US 90.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: RoadPelican on August 12, 2021, 12:34:11 PM
And if your traveling south to north on the Baldwin Bypass, the Speed Limit starts at 40 MPH, before getting up to 60 MPH less than a mile later.  Can you say "Speed Trap?"
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on August 12, 2021, 12:42:47 PM
Quote from: RoadPelican on August 12, 2021, 12:34:11 PM
And if your traveling south to north on the Baldwin Bypass, the Speed Limit starts at 40 MPH, before getting up to 60 MPH less than a mile later.  Can you say "Speed Trap?"

Wouldn't be Baldwin otherwise.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 12, 2021, 04:04:06 PM
Baldwin patrolled by Jacksonville City Police too.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 13, 2021, 12:45:25 AM
Okay, new item;

I'm currently working on a history segment for the Wikipedia article on Florida State Road 546. Who has credible info?

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 19, 2021, 09:48:06 PM
https://floridasturnpike.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/FACT-SHEET-Polk-Parkway-Widening__MP-18_22.pdf

The Auburndale section of State Road 570 is finally being widened from its two lane super two to a fully divided freeway.   In addition a new interchange at Braddock Road is being constructed south of the existing Polk East Plaza.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 20, 2021, 09:55:58 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 19, 2021, 09:48:06 PM
https://floridasturnpike.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/FACT-SHEET-Polk-Parkway-Widening__MP-18_22.pdf

The Auburndale section of State Road 570 is finally being widened from its two lane super two to a fully divided freeway.   In addition a new interchange at Braddock Road is being constructed south of the existing Polk East Plaza.

Good for them, at least on the widening of the Polk Parkway. Now I'd like to know the exact year for the extension of Florida State Road 563 to Polk Parkway, because I'm working on another Wikipedia sandbox on the history of that route (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DanTD/Sandbox/Florida_State_Road_563/History#History). I'd also like to see some evidence of a proposed southern extension of that route (possibly to SR 37, if that's the case).

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on August 20, 2021, 11:41:59 PM
Bossy much?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on August 20, 2021, 11:44:40 PM
So basically the only thing that was interesting about FL 570 will be gone.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on August 21, 2021, 10:00:07 PM
Glad I was able to drive SR 570 and see the super-2.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 21, 2021, 10:58:34 PM
I saw the super-2, and I don't mind it being widened. To do otherwise seems like such a waste. I did take pictures of it though, so the fact that it was one can still be preserved in historic record.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on August 27, 2021, 03:34:49 PM
Sometime recently, signs pointing the way from 15 north to 50 west were changed from a big box on Robinson and Magnolia to a jughandle on Hillcrest and Shine.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 02, 2021, 07:58:32 AM
This muscle car dealership on FL 546 in Lakeland;
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.0548341,-81.990654,3a,26.5y,354.11h,89.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1surLKV4ou9eiyElh4z_XTXA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.0548341,-81.990654,3a,26.5y,354.11h,89.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1surLKV4ou9eiyElh4z_XTXA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)
it's a gas station and convenience store now.

On my recent day trip, I tried to get the road sign here, and I missed it.


Quote from: NE2 on August 27, 2021, 03:34:49 PM
Sometime recently, signs pointing the way from 15 north to 50 west were changed from a big box on Robinson and Magnolia to a jughandle on Hillcrest and Shine.
Well, that makes sense, since it's closer to 50. Although Shine has signs pointing in both directions on 50. It almost makes me think they're attempting the DeLand approach between US 17/92 and SR 40.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 26, 2021, 08:38:04 PM
Does everyone remember when I posted my discovery of the former truck weigh station on US 92 west of Lakeland? I think I may have discovered another one on US 17-92 in Haines City, and it's a used car lot now (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.1286316,-81.6150044,3a,75y,8.14h,89.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szKVmoMbTZ4R1DKrG-scsvA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en).


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Dirt Roads on September 26, 2021, 10:03:18 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on September 26, 2021, 08:38:04 PM
Does everyone remember when I posted my discovery of the former truck weigh station on US 92 west of Lakeland? I think I may have discovered another one on US 17-92 in Haines City, and it's a used car lot now (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.1286316,-81.6150044,3a,75y,8.14h,89.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szKVmoMbTZ4R1DKrG-scsvA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en).

That looks like an old stretch of pavement on a former routing parallel to the railroad (CSXT, former Atlantic Coast Line).  If you look carefully, that old pavement and/or gravel is still visible along the edge of the railroad right-of-way all the way up until US-17/US-92 comes back over just north of Pomona Heights.  It actually looks like much of it is getting some backroad use starting at Shamrock Road (just north of Haines City), going up behind the industrial machine junkyard and ending there at the main junkyard complex.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 29, 2021, 10:10:13 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on September 26, 2021, 10:03:18 PM
That looks like an old stretch of pavement on a former routing parallel to the railroad (CSXT, former Atlantic Coast Line).  If you look carefully, that old pavement and/or gravel is still visible along the edge of the railroad right-of-way all the way up until US-17/US-92 comes back over just north of Pomona Heights.  It actually looks like much of it is getting some backroad use starting at Shamrock Road (just north of Haines City), going up behind the industrial machine junkyard and ending there at the main junkyard complex.
I considered that too.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: nerdom on October 01, 2021, 12:01:51 AM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on September 26, 2021, 10:03:18 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on September 26, 2021, 08:38:04 PM
Does everyone remember when I posted my discovery of the former truck weigh station on US 92 west of Lakeland? I think I may have discovered another one on US 17-92 in Haines City, and it's a used car lot now (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.1286316,-81.6150044,3a,75y,8.14h,89.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szKVmoMbTZ4R1DKrG-scsvA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en).

That looks like an old stretch of pavement on a former routing parallel to the railroad (CSXT, former Atlantic Coast Line).  If you look carefully, that old pavement and/or gravel is still visible along the edge of the railroad right-of-way all the way up until US-17/US-92 comes back over just north of Pomona Heights.  It actually looks like much of it is getting some backroad use starting at Shamrock Road (just north of Haines City), going up behind the industrial machine junkyard and ending there at the main junkyard complex.
Wow. Good eye.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on October 04, 2021, 07:59:37 AM
Now what about this;
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Log_trailers_parked_along_NB_US_17_north_of_Yulee.jpg
Old weigh station, agricultural inspection station, or something else?

BTW, I also found out the original Polk County Rest Areas on I-4 were closer to Exit 33.
https://historicaerials.com/?layer=map&zoom=12&lat=28.041111&lon=-81.958889
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mapmikey on October 04, 2021, 08:28:10 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on October 04, 2021, 07:59:37 AM
Now what about this;
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Log_trailers_parked_along_NB_US_17_north_of_Yulee.jpg
Old weigh station, agricultural inspection station, or something else?


Unclear, though it was there in the 1957 aerial. The current US 17 ag station was also there in the 1957 aerial.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on October 05, 2021, 01:35:24 AM
Late night update; The Hernando County Road 576 extension in Masaryktown is complete. All that really needs to be done now is the work on County Line Road (CR 578) between the Suncoast Parkway and the western approach to the Ayers Road Extension.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: SkyPesos on October 25, 2021, 03:06:24 PM
After reading more on the Florida state routes grid, does anyone know why I-75's secret designation is FL 93, instead of a number in its grid spot, like FL 43? Same with hidden FL 91 on the Turnpike.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mapmikey on October 25, 2021, 03:44:08 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 25, 2021, 03:06:24 PM
After reading more on the Florida state routes grid, does anyone know why I-75's secret designation is FL 93, instead of a number in its grid spot, like FL 43? Same with hidden FL 91 on the Turnpike.

Because those highways didn't exist when Florida changed to its grid system in 1945.  Some odd numbers were not used in the 1945 scheme.  9, 91 and 93 were not among the odd numbers utilized, so they were available when these roads were built later.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: SkyPesos on October 25, 2021, 03:46:04 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on October 25, 2021, 03:44:08 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 25, 2021, 03:06:24 PM
After reading more on the Florida state routes grid, does anyone know why I-75's secret designation is FL 93, instead of a number in its grid spot, like FL 43? Same with hidden FL 91 on the Turnpike.

Because those highways didn't exist when Florida changed to its grid system in 1945.  Some odd numbers were not used in the 1945 scheme.  9, 91 and 93 were not among the odd numbers utilized, so they were available when these roads were built later.
So I-95's secret number of FL 9 is purely a coincidence that it fits its grid location then, right?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mapmikey on October 25, 2021, 03:50:05 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 25, 2021, 03:46:04 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on October 25, 2021, 03:44:08 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 25, 2021, 03:06:24 PM
After reading more on the Florida state routes grid, does anyone know why I-75's secret designation is FL 93, instead of a number in its grid spot, like FL 43? Same with hidden FL 91 on the Turnpike.



Because those highways didn't exist when Florida changed to its grid system in 1945.  Some odd numbers were not used in the 1945 scheme.  9, 91 and 93 were not among the odd numbers utilized, so they were available when these roads were built later.
So I-95's secret number of FL 9 is purely a coincidence that it fits its grid location then, right?

FL 9 (the part not with I-95) did come into existence by the time I-95 came along and it appears they just extended it up the interstate.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on October 25, 2021, 05:16:09 PM
Anyone else know that FL 52 is now being widened between the Suncoast Parkway in Shady Hills, and east of US 41 in Gowers Corner?


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 25, 2021, 05:21:15 PM
I saw some of the work when I was down there a couple months ago.  It really needs to be widened all the way to I-75.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on October 25, 2021, 05:41:13 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on October 25, 2021, 03:44:08 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 25, 2021, 03:06:24 PM
After reading more on the Florida state routes grid, does anyone know why I-75's secret designation is FL 93, instead of a number in its grid spot, like FL 43? Same with hidden FL 91 on the Turnpike.

Because those highways didn't exist when Florida changed to its grid system in 1945.  Some odd numbers were not used in the 1945 scheme.  9, 91 and 93 were not among the odd numbers utilized, so they were available when these roads were built later.


It seemed they had a plan for most of the odd two-digit SRs, but then realized they'd better use 97 and 99 if the grid was going to make sense. So 91 and 93 were left; I suppose any more demands for north-south routes could be filled with a 100 or 200-series SR number (or whatever they liked in the 700s, for some reason).

Going south to the even two-digit state roads, I believe they just left some room in case a new (and very short) US Route might have been assigned in its place, but also would up with a few more unused numbers (86, 88, 96, 98). On the other hand, many of the two-digit routes tend to span either an entire county, or multiple counties; so there are not enough number assignments to go around, and building another route across The Everglades is a non-starter. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on October 26, 2021, 10:47:17 PM
Found an error sign...I think they meant to say "699", not "669" for this sign. SR 666 leads to SR 699 along the Gulf.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51632019046_a9b766e898_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mExAqW)

In the Disappointed But Not Surprised File: signs were missing for Florida State Road 666; it's not a long route, so there's only one chance for reassurance signage in each direction.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51631192487_9de6dc5fe9_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mEtmHV)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on October 26, 2021, 11:07:28 PM
Quote from: formulanone on October 26, 2021, 10:47:17 PM
In the Disappointed But Not Surprised File: signs were missing for Florida State Road 666; it's not a long route, so there's only one chance for reassurance signage in each direction.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51631192487_9de6dc5fe9_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mEtmHV)

FWIW there has not been a confirming marker for SR 666 westbound for the last 15 years.
Bummer about the missing shield eastbound. It was still there in 2017 (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/666/fl-666-e-at-fl-699.jpg) at least.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on October 26, 2021, 11:09:42 PM
Quote from: Alex on October 26, 2021, 11:07:28 PM
Quote from: formulanone on October 26, 2021, 10:47:17 PM
In the Disappointed But Not Surprised File: signs were missing for Florida State Road 666; it's not a long route, so there's only one chance for reassurance signage in each direction.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51631192487_9de6dc5fe9_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mEtmHV)

FWIW there has not been a confirming marker for SR 666 westbound for the last 15 years.
Bummer about the missing shield eastbound. It was still there in 2017 (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/666/fl-666-e-at-fl-699.jpg) at least.

I recall an eastbound one in 1998, the last time I took the route, and I was actually surprised it was signed back then (unlike FL/CR 420).

The 669 error makes up for it. :D
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on October 27, 2021, 07:58:05 AM
Hernando County has their own error signs at westbound CR 578 approaching the intersection with CR 587.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on October 27, 2021, 03:47:54 PM
Crossroads is fenced off. The Disney owned shopping center forced its tenants out to make room for the I-4 Exit 68 interchange reconstruction.

Found out dormant since August 31 per news archives.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on November 03, 2021, 12:29:58 AM
https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2021/09/22/new-road-coming-to-connect-obt-to-jyp
Holden Avenue has been being extended for over a year now, but soon there will be an additional roadway heading E-W between John Young Parkway and Orange Blossom Trail in Orange County, Florida.  Currently Oakridge Road and Americana Blvd/Conroy Road are at peak capacity during rush hours.  So this new corridor is definitely needed and long overdue.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: CoreySamson on November 03, 2021, 11:51:03 AM
Quick question:

How is the traffic on I-4 these days, particularly between Orlando and Tampa? I've heard really bad things about it, but isn't the I-4 Ultimate project complete?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on November 03, 2021, 01:22:37 PM
It's bad in Osceola particularly at Champions Gate. Currently FDOT is turning that diamond into a diverging diamond.

The ultimate is not quite done. It's been paved with permanent lane striping, but the HOT lanes still unopened.

Plus speed limit raised to 60 mph west of OBT into the Tourist Areas.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on November 03, 2021, 04:41:04 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 03, 2021, 01:22:37 PM
It's bad in Osceola particularly at Champions Gate. Currently FDOT is turning that diamond into a diverging diamond.

The ultimate is not quite done. It's been paved with permanent lane striping, but the HOT lanes still unopened.

Plus speed limit raised to 60 mph west of OBT into the Tourist Areas.

And then there's Beyond The Ultimate! You're gonna see construction barrels for quite some time on I-4.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 03, 2021, 10:02:40 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on November 03, 2021, 11:51:03 AM
Quick question:

How is the traffic on I-4 these days, particularly between Orlando and Tampa? I've heard really bad things about it, but isn't the I-4 Ultimate project complete?
The biggest issue is near US 27, due to the large growth of the Davenport-Haines City area for commuting to Orlando. It's especially bad westbound with traffic from both toll bypasses merging without adding any lanes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ukfan758 on November 04, 2021, 02:59:59 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 03, 2021, 01:22:37 PM
It's bad in Osceola particularly at Champions Gate. Currently FDOT is turning that diamond into a diverging diamond.

The ultimate is not quite done. It's been paved with permanent lane striping, but the HOT lanes still unopened.

Plus speed limit raised to 60 mph west of OBT into the Tourist Areas.

I'm curious what the hold up is with the Express Lanes. I live in Orlando now and the concrete surface for them has been finished everywhere for quite some time, the signs have been working with test letters for several weeks, and the toll cameras are up. Literally the only thing not finished is like 2 sections of the flyover express ramp to the turnpike. Surely they could open them now but just put construction barriers or barrels blocking the Turnpike ramp? Or let the public do a a free trial run on them for a few weeks until the whole project is finished. FDOT pulled the same shenanigans with the new 417/Turnpike ramps as well by waiting until everything not related to the ramps was completely finished.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on November 04, 2021, 07:36:15 AM
Quote from: NE2 on November 03, 2021, 10:02:40 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on November 03, 2021, 11:51:03 AM
Quick question:

How is the traffic on I-4 these days, particularly between Orlando and Tampa? I've heard really bad things about it, but isn't the I-4 Ultimate project complete?
The biggest issue is near US 27, due to the large growth of the Davenport-Haines City area for commuting to Orlando. It's especially bad westbound with traffic from both toll bypasses merging without adding any lanes.

I note when I look at maps of the area how the western and eastern bypasses will link up at I-4 just south of Route 46. Has there been any consideration of linking them up at the southern end, either via a parallel highway to I-4 or via a C/D sort of system? It sort of stands out on the map how the bypasses will make almost a complete loop. Or is there not enough thru traffic making that particular movement to warrant it?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 04, 2021, 02:21:58 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 04, 2021, 07:36:15 AM
I note when I look at maps of the area how the western and eastern bypasses will link up at I-4 just south of Route 46. Has there been any consideration of linking them up at the southern end, either via a parallel highway to I-4 or via a C/D sort of system? It sort of stands out on the map how the bypasses will make almost a complete loop. Or is there not enough thru traffic making that particular movement to warrant it?
Not that I know of, but there are plans to extend 429 south to meet 538 (Poinciana Parkway): http://www.cfxway.com/agency-information/plans-studies/project-studies/poinciana-parkway-extension/

Here are the plans for I-4 between the beltways: http://i4beyond.com/project-designs/segment-1a/#design-documents
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on November 04, 2021, 04:45:56 PM
https://floridasturnpike.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/AET-Phase-8-Half-Page-Flyer.pdf

Starting on November 8 (Monday), cash collection will no longer be accepted on Florida's Turnpike mainline from MM 88 (Lantana) to MM 236 (Three Lakes). Demolition of the toll plazas will begin afterward, and it will take three more years to complete the conversion to AET.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on November 11, 2021, 07:19:05 AM
Quote from: NE2 on November 03, 2021, 10:02:40 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on November 03, 2021, 11:51:03 AM
Quick question:

How is the traffic on I-4 these days, particularly between Orlando and Tampa? I've heard really bad things about it, but isn't the I-4 Ultimate project complete?
The biggest issue is near US 27, due to the large growth of the Davenport-Haines City area for commuting to Orlando. It's especially bad westbound with traffic from both toll bypasses merging without adding any lanes.
Sounds like the same problem with the Long Island Expressway west of Exit 38.

Title: SR 15 truncated in Orange County
Post by: Alex on December 02, 2021, 06:12:56 PM
Looks like SR 15 was truncated 1.43 miles north from SR 528 (Beachline Expressway) to Lee Vista Boulevard last year. Noticed the change from SR 15 to CR 15 on the FDOT GIS Data today, and confirmed the relinquishment with the straight line diagram revised on 08/06/20.

GSV still shows a confirming marker for SR 15 northbound just beyond the exchange with the Beachline Expressway. Also per GSV, there is a shield north of Lee Vista Boulevard but not south.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 02, 2021, 09:01:25 PM
Some limited-access highway is being built across US 17 south of Green Cove Springs. I suspect this might've been mentioned in another post, but I'd like to know what it is anyway.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on December 02, 2021, 10:42:28 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on December 02, 2021, 09:01:25 PM
Some limited-access highway is being built across US 17 south of Green Cove Springs. I suspect this might've been mentioned in another post, but I'd like to know what it is anyway.
That's the First Coast Expressway, aka SR 23. I've been in the area, but not recently.

When the final segment with the replacement for the Shands Bridge is finally built, the traffic using the bridge without using the connecting segments of the Expressway won't have to pay a toll AFAIK. This was done to placate the locals on either side of the future bridge (mostly those in Green Cove Springs, along with those on Longleaf Pine Parkway in St Johns).
Title: Re: SR 15 truncated in Orange County
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 03, 2021, 11:26:06 PM
Quote from: Alex on December 02, 2021, 06:12:56 PM
Looks like SR 15 was truncated 1.43 miles north from SR 528 (Beachline Expressway) to Lee Vista Boulevard last year. Noticed the change from SR 15 to CR 15 on the FDOT GIS Data today, and confirmed the relinquishment with the straight line diagram revised on 08/06/20.

GSV still shows a confirming marker for SR 15 northbound just beyond the exchange with the Beachline Expressway. Also per GSV, there is a shield north of Lee Vista Boulevard but not south.

Looking @ historical GSV @ Lee Vista Blvd, there was never a shield for SB FL-15 there.

GSV still did show however the changeover between CR and SR status on the FL-528 WB offramp in the March '21 imagery. https://goo.gl/maps/L7bzHn4oSBdzQbf26
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on December 07, 2021, 11:58:07 AM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on December 02, 2021, 10:42:28 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on December 02, 2021, 09:01:25 PM
Some limited-access highway is being built across US 17 south of Green Cove Springs. I suspect this might've been mentioned in another post, but I'd like to know what it is anyway.
That's the First Coast Expressway, aka SR 23. I've been in the area, but not recently.

When the final segment with the replacement for the Shands Bridge is finally built, the traffic using the bridge without using the connecting segments of the Expressway won't have to pay a toll AFAIK. This was done to placate the locals on either side of the future bridge (mostly those in Green Cove Springs, along with those on Longleaf Pine Parkway in St Johns).

You can readily see the construction scar across the area on Google Maps' satellite view.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on December 08, 2021, 12:26:14 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 07, 2021, 11:58:07 AM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on December 02, 2021, 10:42:28 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on December 02, 2021, 09:01:25 PM
Some limited-access highway is being built across US 17 south of Green Cove Springs. I suspect this might've been mentioned in another post, but I'd like to know what it is anyway.
That's the First Coast Expressway, aka SR 23. I've been in the area, but not recently.

When the final segment with the replacement for the Shands Bridge is finally built, the traffic using the bridge without using the connecting segments of the Expressway won't have to pay a toll AFAIK. This was done to placate the locals on either side of the future bridge (mostly those in Green Cove Springs, along with those on Longleaf Pine Parkway in St Johns).

You can readily see the construction scar across the area on Google Maps' satellite view.
They will, at some point, update the construction scar near its north end-there is a notable gap at about where the crossing of Black Creek will be.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 08, 2021, 10:43:15 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 07, 2021, 11:58:07 AM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on December 02, 2021, 10:42:28 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on December 02, 2021, 09:01:25 PM
Some limited-access highway is being built across US 17 south of Green Cove Springs. I suspect this might've been mentioned in another post, but I'd like to know what it is anyway.
That's the First Coast Expressway, aka SR 23. I've been in the area, but not recently.

When the final segment with the replacement for the Shands Bridge is finally built, the traffic using the bridge without using the connecting segments of the Expressway won't have to pay a toll AFAIK. This was done to placate the locals on either side of the future bridge (mostly those in Green Cove Springs, along with those on Longleaf Pine Parkway in St Johns).

You can readily see the construction scar across the area on Google Maps' satellite view.

I bet it gets completed before that long time project of the Gateway Expressway in the Bay Area across the state.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on December 13, 2021, 06:25:59 PM
Attn: D-Dey65

The Ayers Road Extension around Masaryktown fully opened to traffic between CR 578 (County Line Road)/Trillium Boulevard) and U.S. 41 (Broad Street) on September 21, 2021. Drove the new arterial route this morning, and the portion of CR 578 currently being reconstructed east of the Suncoast Parkway (SR 589). Construction continues on the overall project to next Summer (https://www.fdottampabay.com/project/281/257298-5-52-01).

Traffic lights were added where CR 576 (Ayers Road) meets CR 578, where Trillium Boulevard crosses to the north, and at U.S. 41.

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/hernando-co/cr-576-e-at-trillium-bl-1.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/hernando-co/cr-576-e-at-trillium-bl-1.jpg)

The first shield for CR 576 posted east of CR 578. CR 576 is fully posted along the Ayers Road Extension.

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/hernando-co/cr-578-w-at-cr-576-2.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/hernando-co/cr-578-w-at-cr-576-2.jpg)

CR 578 (County Line Road) west where it ties into the realigned intersection with Trillium Boulevard and the Ayers Road Extension (CR 576).

The rest of the photos for County Road 576 (Ayers Road): https://www.aaroads.com/guides/cr-576-hernando-fl/
The page for County Road 578 (County Line Road): https://www.aaroads.com/guides/cr-578-hernando-fl/

Also reshot US 41 north and south where it meets CR 576. Also signage for CR 578 is unchanged at the east end of County Line Road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 19, 2021, 06:54:53 AM
Quote from: Alex on December 13, 2021, 06:25:59 PM
Attn: D-Dey65

The Ayers Road Extension around Masaryktown fully opened to traffic between CR 578 (County Line Road)/Trillium Boulevard) and U.S. 41 (Broad Street) on September 21, 2021. Drove the new arterial route this morning, and the portion of CR 578 currently being reconstructed east of the Suncoast Parkway (SR 589). Construction continues on the overall project to next Summer (https://www.fdottampabay.com/project/281/257298-5-52-01).

Traffic lights were added where CR 576 (Ayers Road) meets CR 578, where Trillium Boulevard crosses to the north, and at U.S. 41.

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/hernando-co/cr-576-e-at-trillium-bl-1.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/hernando-co/cr-576-e-at-trillium-bl-1.jpg)

The first shield for CR 576 posted east of CR 578. CR 576 is fully posted along the Ayers Road Extension.

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/hernando-co/cr-578-w-at-cr-576-2.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/hernando-co/cr-578-w-at-cr-576-2.jpg)

CR 578 (County Line Road) west where it ties into the realigned intersection with Trillium Boulevard and the Ayers Road Extension (CR 576).

The rest of the photos for County Road 576 (Ayers Road): https://www.aaroads.com/guides/cr-576-hernando-fl/
The page for County Road 578 (County Line Road): https://www.aaroads.com/guides/cr-578-hernando-fl/

Also reshot US 41 north and south where it meets CR 576. Also signage for CR 578 is unchanged at the east end of County Line Road.
Cool. I've seen it. The info near Mariner Boulevard has been out of date for a while though. I forget the year of the widening, but they still have the incorrect westbound signs approaching CR 587. I really have to name those pictures and either send them an e-mail, or drive directly to Brooksville and show them their mistakes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on December 19, 2021, 11:50:53 AM
I was on SR 535 (Apopka-Vineland Road) yesterday and one section near Disney World has new traffic signals up but they weren't on yet. Should help with exiting/entering the businesses along this stretch of highway. Also the I-4 Ultimate tolls will be (apparently) ready for use early next year.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 29, 2021, 02:20:28 AM
https://fdot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=324053528c0f49beaab365d0ef6796f8

I found the on line map from FDOT showing the routes including FL A1A overlapping US 1 from Miami to Key West.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 02, 2022, 01:45:26 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 29, 2021, 02:20:28 AM
https://fdot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=324053528c0f49beaab365d0ef6796f8

I found the on line map from FDOT showing the routes including FL A1A overlapping US 1 from Miami to Key West.

Shitty data with many errors. For example, SR 827 and SR 798 exist west of US 441, SR 542 exists east of US 27, SR 553 is downgraded to CR 553, and SR 537 still exists - even north of SR 438!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 11, 2022, 09:54:46 AM
Anyone here ever been on FL 105? I was looking at the Google Map coverage of it, and from the air it looks like the entrance to JAXPORT was limited-access. Has the eastbound lane ever had a bridge over the entrance to the port? Should it have one?




Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on January 11, 2022, 10:05:35 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 11, 2022, 09:54:46 AM
Anyone here ever been on FL 105? I was looking at the Google Map coverage of it, and from the air it looks like the entrance to JAXPORT was limited-access. Has the eastbound lane ever had a bridge over the entrance to the port? Should it have one?

Never been on there, but your post prompted me to look at Google Maps. I was not aware of the ferry across the St. John's River east of there–I hadn't known there were any crossings east of the Dames Point Bridge.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on January 11, 2022, 11:58:09 AM
Quote from: NE2 on January 02, 2022, 01:45:26 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 29, 2021, 02:20:28 AM
https://fdot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=324053528c0f49beaab365d0ef6796f8

I found the on line map from FDOT showing the routes including FL A1A overlapping US 1 from Miami to Key West.

Shitty data with many errors. For example, SR 827 and SR 798 exist west of US 441, SR 542 exists east of US 27, SR 553 is downgraded to CR 553, and SR 537 still exists - even north of SR 438!

Various maps have shown an 827 there over the years.  I have seen CR 827 and SR 827.  What is the story?  I cannot recall posting in the field.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 11, 2022, 03:28:54 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on January 11, 2022, 11:58:09 AM
Quote from: NE2 on January 02, 2022, 01:45:26 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 29, 2021, 02:20:28 AM
https://fdot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=324053528c0f49beaab365d0ef6796f8

I found the on line map from FDOT showing the routes including FL A1A overlapping US 1 from Miami to Key West.

Shitty data with many errors. For example, SR 827 and SR 798 exist west of US 441, SR 542 exists east of US 27, SR 553 is downgraded to CR 553, and SR 537 still exists - even north of SR 438!

Various maps have shown an 827 there over the years.  I have seen CR 827 and SR 827.  What is the story?  I cannot recall posting in the field.

Both were posted at one point or another in the field. Used to pass by it at least once a week; I have my doubts it was actually state-maintained since the Great 1970's turnback.

It's been neither for at least 10 years now.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 11, 2022, 10:58:10 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 11, 2022, 09:54:46 AM
Anyone here ever been on FL 105? I was looking at the Google Map coverage of it, and from the air it looks like the entrance to JAXPORT was limited-access. Has the eastbound lane ever had a bridge over the entrance to the port? Should it have one?

https://www.aaroads.com/guides/fl-105/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: edwaleni on January 13, 2022, 09:37:44 AM
Quote from: Alex on January 11, 2022, 10:58:10 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 11, 2022, 09:54:46 AM
Anyone here ever been on FL 105? I was looking at the Google Map coverage of it, and from the air it looks like the entrance to JAXPORT was limited-access. Has the eastbound lane ever had a bridge over the entrance to the port? Should it have one?

https://www.aaroads.com/guides/fl-105/

FL-105 runs from I-95 in Jacksonville, where it is called Zoo Parkway.  Going east it turns into Hecksher Drive and is the primary access to JAXPORT, but is not restricted. Runs east to the Mayport Ferry where it terminates, since the ferry is a continuation of A1A.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 13, 2022, 10:25:29 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on January 13, 2022, 09:37:44 AM
Quote from: Alex on January 11, 2022, 10:58:10 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 11, 2022, 09:54:46 AM
Anyone here ever been on FL 105? I was looking at the Google Map coverage of it, and from the air it looks like the entrance to JAXPORT was limited-access. Has the eastbound lane ever had a bridge over the entrance to the port? Should it have one?

https://www.aaroads.com/guides/fl-105/

FL-105 runs from I-95 in Jacksonville, where it is called Zoo Parkway.  Going east it turns into Hecksher Drive and is the primary access to JAXPORT, but is not restricted. Runs east to the Mayport Ferry where it terminates, since the ferry is a continuation of A1A.

Just so happened to have a pic of that junction:

https://flic.kr/p/Szz47Y
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 13, 2022, 11:24:02 AM
At one time SR 105 went to Fernandina Beach with A1A.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 18, 2022, 12:05:57 AM
Well FDOT did it.  It took 60 years, but Florida Department of Transportation District One has finally got it!   The Exit 38 guides on I-4 near Lakeland, which never had control cities, has them now.

Part of a repaving project from Exit 32 to the Rest Areas near Polk City, changed the guide signs E Bound on I-4 at State Road 33.  Polk City is finally given a mention for E Bound traffic.  Previously since the freeway opened back in the 1960's, the exit signed for Polk City was only Exit 44 (SR 559) which was a round about way to reach that city coming from Tampa.  Now, we have a more direct signed route finally.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on January 18, 2022, 02:35:46 PM
The kids have moved back to Florida so we are back to the "Mountains to the Sea" travel of I-81/77/26/95/US 301/75 to reach St. Petersburg. This trip, which got us to Yulee on Saturday before the snow hit Blacksburg, continued on Sunday. I decided to do the I-95/I-4 route for something different, thinking "Sunday, traffic won't be too bad." It actually wasn't, except for Orlando, which was a mess. The last time we went that way was two years ago just after everything shut down for the pandemic. The was no traffic on that trip and we made it home in record time. There was a lot of heavy construction in Orlando for the express lanes, which looked to be largely completed on this trip through -- but not enough for the lanes to be open. What is left to do and when might the lanes be available? That out would have been useful to avoid the slow tourists in the far left lane.

Bruce in Blacksburg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on January 18, 2022, 02:41:02 PM
Quote from: VTGoose on January 18, 2022, 02:35:46 PM
The kids have moved back to Florida so we are back to the "Mountains to the Sea" travel of I-81/77/26/95/US 301/75 to reach St. Petersburg. This trip, which got us to Yulee on Saturday before the snow hit Blacksburg, continued on Sunday. I decided to do the I-95/I-4 route for something different, thinking "Sunday, traffic won't be too bad." It actually wasn't, except for Orlando, which was a mess. The last time we went that way was two years ago just after everything shut down for the pandemic. The was no traffic on that trip and we made it home in record time. There was a lot of heavy construction in Orlando for the express lanes, which looked to be largely completed on this trip through -- but not enough for the lanes to be open. What is left to do and when might the lanes be available? That out would have been useful to avoid the slow tourists in the far left lane.

Bruce in Blacksburg


We've had good experiences bypassing Orlando to the west. As you know, we often take the Auto Train, which drops you just off FL-46 in Sanford just east of I-4. When we want to head to the Gulf Coast, we take FL-46 west to FL-429 back down to I-4. Of course, that doesn't entirely avoid construction these days because of the ongoing construction to extend FL-429 east to I-4 (it will meet FL-417 at the existing interchange there), but there is substantially less traffic than there is on I-4, it's a shorter drive than FL-417 (and drops you southwest of Disney World, so you avoid that traffic), and on a clear day you get an interesting view of the Contemporary Resort on the horizon as you drive south. (On the way back north, you still get stuck in the Disney World backup trying to reach the exit for FL-429, but what can you do.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on January 18, 2022, 02:53:56 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 18, 2022, 02:41:02 PM
We've had good experiences bypassing Orlando to the west. As you know, we often take the Auto Train, which drops you just off FL-46 in Sanford just east of I-4. When we want to head to the Gulf Coast, we take FL-46 west to FL-429 back down to I-4. Of course, that doesn't entirely avoid construction these days because of the ongoing construction to extend FL-429 east to I-4 (it will meet FL-417 at the existing interchange there), but there is substantially less traffic than there is on I-4, it's a shorter drive than FL-417 (and drops you southwest of Disney World, so you avoid that traffic), and on a clear day you get an interesting view of the Contemporary Resort on the horizon as you drive south. (On the way back north, you still get stuck in the Disney World backup trying to reach the exit for FL-429, but what can you do.)

The trip through Orlando was kind of a one-off and won't be repeated for a while. As I was battling the traffic and wind (the storm that dumped snow at home was still passing through Florida on Sunday, after triggering tornado warnings across the state on Saturday), I wondered several times why I didn't just go the usual route of U.S. 301 across and down to Ocala, then on down I-75. After 6 years, FDOT has completed the major construction projects on I-75 and finally finished the Starke and Baldwin bypasses. Now all they need to do is bypass a couple of the other wide spots on U.S. 301 and put in a better/more direct connection to I-75 at Zuber.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 18, 2022, 03:00:08 PM
Florida needs to connect US 301 where it merges with US 441 to I-75 at that spot.  All they need to do is tell Marion County that it will add to the economy with potential of development along the proposed route, and they will for sure allow.

IMO I don't want an at grade connection but a freeway spur as we are way too developed in this state as is. Former Governor Dick Scott obviously did not see what over development did to NJ and parts of PA and NY, so he made the same mistake those three states made in the seventies and eighties.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: RoadPelican on January 18, 2022, 10:01:25 PM
I lived in Orlando for 2 years and that was too long (LOL!)  But this was 2014-2016 and traffic was/is bad everyday in O-town, double trouble on I-4.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 22, 2022, 01:55:22 PM
Just so some of you know, Hernando County Road 480 has been paved in its entirety for at least several years now;
https://www.aaroads.com/guides/cr-480-fl/

I was trying to look for images of Citrus County Road 480 as it crosses the abandoned Brooksville and Inverness Railway line west of Hernando-Citrus 581. I could swear I've posted them online.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 22, 2022, 02:07:39 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 22, 2022, 01:55:22 PM
Just so some of you know, Hernando County Road 480 has been paved in its entirety for at least several years now;
https://www.aaroads.com/guides/cr-480-fl/

I was trying to look for images of Citrus County Road 480 as it crosses the abandoned Brooksville and Inverness Railway line west of Hernando-Citrus 581. I could swear I've posted them online.

Might have something in here, even if it is just a map link:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2017/05/2017-southeast-trip-part-3-crusing.html?m=1
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 22, 2022, 03:07:43 PM
None of the map links have anything to do with Citrus CR 480 and that railroad crossing.

But this one does:
http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/maps/pages/100/f192/f192.htm

Also, your link not only doesn't have the more recently paved Hernando CR 480, it doesn't have HCR 480 at all.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 22, 2022, 03:13:40 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 22, 2022, 03:07:43 PM
None of the map links have anything to do with Citrus CR 480 and that railroad crossing.

But this one does:
http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/maps/pages/100/f192/f192.htm

Also, your link not only doesn't have the more recently paved Hernando CR 480, it doesn't have HCR 480 at all.

Might be in the last part of that series, I know that I did Croom Road/480 that year given I have a photo album for it:

https://www.flickr.com/gp/151828809@N08/u7j4kC

I could swear I have picture pre-pavement Croom Road also which were way more detailed.  I probably just never bothered to upload them to Flickr or forgot.

You're referring to Stage Coach Trail?  If so, I know that I checked out the crossing in 2014 after I hiked to the Mannville town site.  I might have the rail grade (I'm not sure looking at anymore) but not where it crossed Stage Coach Trail.

Okay I know what I'm looking at now in my photos.  I have them labeled as "Landrum"  which from what I recall was a Brooksville-Inverness siding north of Stage Trail Road on what I think is Trail 9 in the Lecanto Sand Hills.  I used to spend a considerable amount of time hiking in that area circa 2013-2016 given that and Withlacoochee State Forest were the only real open spaces near where I lived.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 22, 2022, 03:38:30 PM
I'm sure I have it too. Although now I think they were deleted from the Yahoo Groups pages.


On another topic, these two signs on FL 11 at FL 40 should be merged together:
https://www.aaroads.com/guides/fl-011/#gallery-15



Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on January 26, 2022, 03:43:50 PM
Mystery Solved (at least for me)

After several years of driving past the construction along the northbound side of U.S. 301 south of Baldwin (between County Road 218 and State Road 200), after an absence of a year and a half, concrete has been added to the project. A search turned up this info on the FDOT site (https://nflroads.com/ProjectDetails.aspx?p=5361):

The Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT) will begin its second and final phase of work Monday, November 30 to complete Florida's first concrete test track road parallel to the existing northbound lanes of U.S. 301 from just south of County Road 218 to just north of Richard Mosely Road (approximately 2.5 miles).

This phase will include constructing 52 new concrete test sections, a new storm water pond, installing new traffic signals, lighting, highway signage, guardrail, drainage, asphalt paving and other incidental construction.

Phase one of the project, which included earthwork and installation of data collection cabinets, was completed in early 2019. The purpose of the concrete test track road is to provide insight into FDOT's current concrete pavement design practices and study data to improve future materials and performance.

Superior Construction Company Southeast, LLC was selected to complete this project. Construction completion estimates are fluid and subject to change, weather and schedule permitting.

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Work is still in progress as of last week when we went past (or at least, not all the work is done, there wasn't evidence of any work being done other than a lane shift at the south end). It will be interesting to see how traffic is moved onto this pavement to test the concrete.

Bruce in Blacksburg

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 27, 2022, 09:45:46 AM
I saw on FB someone post photos of new Disney signs along their 45 square mile resort.  They're converting the purple they've used to a neat shade of blue.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 27, 2022, 06:40:33 PM
Quote from: VTGoose on January 26, 2022, 03:43:50 PM
Mystery Solved (at least for me)

After several years of driving past the construction along the northbound side of U.S. 301 south of Baldwin (between County Road 218 and State Road 200), after an absence of a year and a half, concrete has been added to the project. A search turned up this info on the FDOT site (https://nflroads.com/ProjectDetails.aspx?p=5361):

The Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT) will begin its second and final phase of work Monday, November 30 to complete Florida's first concrete test track road parallel to the existing northbound lanes of U.S. 301 from just south of County Road 218 to just north of Richard Mosely Road (approximately 2.5 miles).

This phase will include constructing 52 new concrete test sections, a new storm water pond, installing new traffic signals, lighting, highway signage, guardrail, drainage, asphalt paving and other incidental construction.

Phase one of the project, which included earthwork and installation of data collection cabinets, was completed in early 2019. The purpose of the concrete test track road is to provide insight into FDOT's current concrete pavement design practices and study data to improve future materials and performance.

Superior Construction Company Southeast, LLC was selected to complete this project. Construction completion estimates are fluid and subject to change, weather and schedule permitting.

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Work is still in progress as of last week when we went past (or at least, not all the work is done, there wasn't evidence of any work being done other than a lane shift at the south end). It will be interesting to see how traffic is moved onto this pavement to test the concrete.

Bruce in Blacksburg

That project has seemingly gone on forever. Earthwork for it was completed back in 2019. The project site (I was surprised when FDOT added it by November) lists Summer 2023 for completion.

Photo of the north end from 11/19/21:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/301/us-301-n-at-cr-218-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on January 28, 2022, 08:56:05 AM
Quote from: Alex on January 27, 2022, 06:40:33 PM

That project has seemingly gone on forever. Earthwork for it was completed back in 2019. The project site (I was surprised when FDOT added it by November) lists Summer 2023 for completion.

U.S. 301 seems to be a great place for long-term make-work projects. It took a long time to complete the Starke and Baldwin bypasses and work is still going on at the I-10/U.S. 301 interchange (it was in progress when we started going that way 6 years ago).

Bruce in Blacksburg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 28, 2022, 10:07:54 AM
Quote from: VTGoose on January 28, 2022, 08:56:05 AM
U.S. 301 seems to be a great place for long-term make-work projects. It took a long time to complete the Starke and Baldwin bypasses and work is still going on at the I-10/U.S. 301 interchange (it was in progress when we started going that way 6 years ago).

Bruce in Blacksburg

And that never ending project (https://nflroads.com/ProjectDetails.aspx?p=5066) at US 301/I-10 continues until Summer 2023.

The roadways for Interstate 10 are currently using the future distributor roadways. When we were driving up to Delaware in December 2020, we narrowly missed getting caught by a full closure of I-10 for that project. They just reopened the eastbound lanes when we passed through around 6 AM. The westbound roadway was in the process of reopening, and there was a pretty sizeable back up of traffic queuing for that.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 28, 2022, 10:21:45 AM
Quote from: Alex on January 28, 2022, 10:07:54 AM
Quote from: VTGoose on January 28, 2022, 08:56:05 AM
U.S. 301 seems to be a great place for long-term make-work projects. It took a long time to complete the Starke and Baldwin bypasses and work is still going on at the I-10/U.S. 301 interchange (it was in progress when we started going that way 6 years ago).

Bruce in Blacksburg

And that never ending project (https://nflroads.com/ProjectDetails.aspx?p=5066) at US 301/I-10 continues until Summer 2023.

The new west-to-north off-ramp should've been slightly longer to prevent drivers from cutting across northbound US 301 and trying to get back onto I-10. But overall, I like what they've got.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 28, 2022, 11:21:14 PM
Why is that interchange taking so long? It only adds a cattle chute, and some new ramps, yet it's taking the same exact amount of time to construct the I-4 Ultimate in Orlando, which is a total rebuild of 21 miles of freeway verses one simple interchange here.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jaxrunner on January 29, 2022, 06:46:22 AM
Concerning US 301 and I 10 in Baldwin, is there any word on widening I 10 between the First Coast Expressway and US 301? Seems that the extra lanes should go the extra 7 miles since I 10 picks up traffic from US 301 going towards Jacksonville.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on February 14, 2022, 10:40:03 AM
Took a detour down FL-46 to see the Wekiva River Parkway extension construction progress. Looks like final paving is in progress on many portions. The north end of FL-429 is pretty dead at the moment, but that likely won't last once the connection to I-4 is made! I also found out why its called Mt. Dora, there are some changes in elevation in the area.  :-P
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Stephane Dumas on February 21, 2022, 04:01:50 PM
Google Streetview now show the elevated lanes of the Selmon Expwy extension.
https://www.google.com/maps/@27.8934317,-82.5311963,3a,75y,41.12h,85.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_6w_xFp1ZA90GWnitOdBXw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on February 21, 2022, 04:25:22 PM
Good news! The express lanes on I-4 through Orlando will be opening to traffic on Saturday, February 26th.

https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2022/02/21/fdot--i-4-express-lanes-to-open-to-motorists-on-saturday
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mileage Mike on February 25, 2022, 06:36:55 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on February 21, 2022, 04:25:22 PM
Good news! The express lanes on I-4 through Orlando will be opening to traffic on Saturday, February 26th.

https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2022/02/21/fdot--i-4-express-lanes-to-open-to-motorists-on-saturday

Finally!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Plutonic Panda on February 25, 2022, 06:47:36 PM
I saw this project pop up in an article I was reading:

QuoteFlorida: The huge Golden Glades interchange in Miami, where I-95, Florida's Turnpike, the Palmetto Expressway and U.S. 441 all interconnect.
https://reason.org/transportation-news/surface-transportation-news-backlash-to-highway-guidance-new-federal-bridge-program-and-more/

Anyone have any information on this?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on February 26, 2022, 11:32:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UgyHxnevXA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2_Nur-rBG8

Here are the videos of the drive on the I-4 express lanes through town. Tolls are free for the first five days of its opening.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jim on February 27, 2022, 12:01:42 AM
Sorry if this has been mentioned/discussed and I just didn't see it.  I drove up much of US 301 in Florida today, and noticed that the work to build what appears to be a third 2-lane carriageway (if that's the right term) a little south of Baldwin.  The new section off to the east of the existing route looks to be about ready to go with signs and pavement markings.  Anyone know what that's all about?  Why the third 2-lane roadway?  Will it replace one of the existing ones?  That was my thought but parts of both of those look to have just been repaved...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: asdfjkll on February 27, 2022, 12:04:34 AM
Quote from: Jim on February 27, 2022, 12:01:42 AM
Sorry if this has been mentioned/discussed and I just didn't see it.  I drove up much of US 301 in Florida today, and noticed that the work to build what appears to be a third 2-lane carriageway (if that's the right term) a little south of Baldwin.  The new section off to the east of the existing route looks to be about ready to go with signs and pavement markings.  Anyone know what that's all about?  Why the third 2-lane roadway?  Will it replace one of the existing ones?  That was my thought but parts of both of those look to have just been repaved...
The 3rd carriageway is a FDOT concrete pavement testing area (similar to the I-94 test pavement in Minnesota). They will use it and put live traffic on the test pavement to test out different concrete pavement designs and mixes to guide better FDOT concrete pavement design which will last longer and be more durable.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on February 27, 2022, 02:15:48 AM
https://www.chronicleonline.com/news/local/suncoast-parkway-extension-opens-monday/article_bce66a3b-84cd-5aff-923f-42969647bfc7.html

The Suncoast Parkway Extension Phase 1 will be open to traffic on Monday, February 28.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jaxrunner on February 27, 2022, 04:26:20 AM
It's good that the Suncoast  parkway has been extended but it really needs to be extended to US 19 to make since. Years ago I used to take US 19 down from the panhandle and then catch the Suncoast Parkway south of the Crystal River on my way to Tampa. I imagine long distance travel would benefit by having the parkway link up with US 19. The Suncoast is a great road that is a straight shot down to I 275 and Tampa International.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 27, 2022, 10:10:45 AM
Thankfully it seems to me that the only new only Express Lanes interchange on I-4 is at Central Pkwy (https://youtu.be/3UgyHxnevXA?t=1007). 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: asdfjkll on February 27, 2022, 10:33:18 AM
Quote from: Jaxrunner on February 27, 2022, 04:26:20 AM
It's good that the Suncoast  parkway has been extended but it really needs to be extended to US 19 to make since. Years ago I used to take US 19 down from the panhandle and then catch the Suncoast Parkway south of the Crystal River on my way to Tampa. I imagine long distance travel would benefit by having the parkway link up with US 19. The Suncoast is a great road that is a straight shot down to I 275 and Tampa International.
The next two phases of the Suncoast extension (phase 2 and 3) will extend the parkway all the way to US-19/US-98 a mile or two north of the CR-488 traffic lights. Phase 2 (SR 44 to CR 486) design is underway with construction funded for FY 2023. As for phase 3, design gets underway this year with a public hearing later this year. They recently split up the 3rd phase into a Phase 3A/3B, phase 3A goes from CR 486 to CR 495, and phase 3B finishes the gap to US 19/98. After Phase 3B, not sure what FDOT will plan on doing after that, maybe some freeway standard bypasses around the larger towns on US19 so through traffic can avoid reduced speed zones and traffic lights in those towns.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jaxrunner on February 28, 2022, 08:21:19 AM
I think freeway bypasses of the towns along US 19 similar to the US 301 Starke bypass would be beneficial to long distance travel. I don't think the road necessarily at this time needs to be a freeway all the way to I 10 east of Tallahassee. The rural four lane divided highway with bypasses around Chiefland and Perry would make it a nice clean drive and an alternative to I 75 for traffic heading to the panhandle and points west.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: The Ghostbuster on February 28, 2022, 04:50:27 PM
It looks like the Suncoast Parkway's eventual north terminus will be at US 19/98 near the W. Dunnellon Rd. (CR 488) intersection. There have been rumors that Florida's DOT is planning to possibly construct a further toll road extension towards Jacksonville. Is this the case, and if so, how likely might such an extension be constructed?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on February 28, 2022, 05:02:42 PM
US-19 really needs the traffic light elimination project extended north to at least the Pasco County line. The ROW is there for the SPUI/service road setup like further south, but its going to cost some money.

Signed: The guy who hit every red light between Tarpon Springs and the freeway going south. Now I know why jughandles were invented.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jim on February 28, 2022, 08:27:43 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on February 28, 2022, 05:02:42 PM
US-19 really needs the traffic light elimination project extended north to at least the Pasco County line. The ROW is there for the SPUI/service road setup like further south, but its going to cost some money.

Signed: The guy who hit every red light between Tarpon Springs and the freeway going south. Now I know why jughandles were invented.

Just about every other road I drove trying to get out of FL on Saturday while I-75 was too full wants in on this too.

Florida seems to be several thousand overpasses short of what they need given current traffic levels.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 01, 2022, 09:02:23 AM
Quote from: Jim on February 28, 2022, 08:27:43 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on February 28, 2022, 05:02:42 PM
US-19 really needs the traffic light elimination project extended north to at least the Pasco County line. The ROW is there for the SPUI/service road setup like further south, but its going to cost some money.

Signed: The guy who hit every red light between Tarpon Springs and the freeway going south. Now I know why jughandles were invented.

Just about every other road I drove trying to get out of FL on Saturday while I-75 was too full wants in on this too.

Florida seems to be several thousand overpasses short of what they need given current traffic levels.
If you ask me, US 19 should have interchanges everywhere south of SR 50/Hernando CR 550. Anywhere they can't be added, they should just add frontage roads, dead ends and closed medians.




Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on March 01, 2022, 10:28:44 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 28, 2022, 04:50:27 PM
It looks like the Suncoast Parkway's eventual north terminus will be at US 19/98 near the W. Dunnellon Rd. (CR 488) intersection. There have been rumors that Florida's DOT is planning to possibly construct a further toll road extension towards Jacksonville. Is this the case, and if so, how likely might such an extension be constructed?

How about a decent connection from I-75 around Ocala? That could move some traffic off I-75 that is headed to/from St. Petersburg and that side of the bay. I drove up the Parkway from Tampa two years ago, which was a nice traffic-free ride, but then got killed on time trying to get east from the at-the-time end over to I-75.

Bruce in Blacksburg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on March 01, 2022, 10:55:38 AM
Regarding the I-4 express lanes, I'd like to pick the brains of those of you in Florida. Suppose you were coming north from the Miami area on the Turnpike and you wanted to go to the Lake Mary area (specifically the hotels just west of I-4 in advance of taking the Auto Train north the next day). Which route would you think is the better one and why: The Turnpike to the I-4 express lanes to their northern end, then continuing on I-4, or FL-417 around the east side of the Orlando area and then either go one exit south on I-4 or just make a left at the end of the highway? Assume the aggregate amount of tolls is a non-issue; clinches are likewise a non-issue.

For southbound travel in the direction of Fort Myers, I already decided to stick with my preferred routing of FL-46 west to FL-429 to I-4 because that routing joins I-4 west of Disney World. Heading north, for years I've avoided I-4 through the city, but the express lanes arguably might change the equation.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Dirt Roads on March 01, 2022, 03:50:16 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 01, 2022, 10:55:38 AM
Regarding the I-4 express lanes, I'd like to pick the brains of those of you in Florida. Suppose you were coming north from the Miami area on the Turnpike and you wanted to go to the Lake Mary area (specifically the hotels just west of I-4 in advance of taking the Auto Train north the next day). Which route would you think is the better one and why: The Turnpike to the I-4 express lanes to their northern end, then continuing on I-4, or FL-417 around the east side of the Orlando area and then either go one exit south on I-4 or just make a left at the end of the highway? Assume the aggregate amount of tolls is a non-issue; clinches are likewise a non-issue.

I know that Florida's Turnpike is less aggravating (particular at/near rush hour), but the shortest route is I-95 to FL-46.  If you need the fastest route, take the [Bee Line] instead.  Sorry, I just can't get used to the term "Beachline", even though I driven it a bunch of times.  I've used the Bee Line to get to the Central Florida Greeneway, but there are a bunch of ways to shorten the tolls by heading straight up to Sanford.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on March 01, 2022, 04:01:30 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on March 01, 2022, 03:50:16 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 01, 2022, 10:55:38 AM
Regarding the I-4 express lanes, I'd like to pick the brains of those of you in Florida. Suppose you were coming north from the Miami area on the Turnpike and you wanted to go to the Lake Mary area (specifically the hotels just west of I-4 in advance of taking the Auto Train north the next day). Which route would you think is the better one and why: The Turnpike to the I-4 express lanes to their northern end, then continuing on I-4, or FL-417 around the east side of the Orlando area and then either go one exit south on I-4 or just make a left at the end of the highway? Assume the aggregate amount of tolls is a non-issue; clinches are likewise a non-issue.

I know that Florida's Turnpike is less aggravating (particular at/near rush hour), but the shortest route is I-95 to FL-46.  If you need the fastest route, take the [Bee Line] instead.  Sorry, I just can't get used to the term "Beachline", even though I driven it a bunch of times.  I've used the Bee Line to get to the Central Florida Greeneway, but there are a bunch of ways to shorten the tolls by heading straight up to Sanford.

In this particular instance my thought was to avoid I-95 due to proximity to a three-day weekend, which I assume will lead to more traffic on there; that's also the reason for driving up to Sanford the day before the train trip due to the need to check in early in the afternoon (minimize the risk of getting stuck on the highway and missing check-in, essentially). Though now that I say that, I suppose it's a fair question to ask whether the Turnpike might be heavier the Thursday before a three-day weekend due to traffic heading to Disney and the other amusement parks. I was thinking in terms of avoiding I-95 because I automatically assumed beach traffic would be a problem, but I hadn't thought about the Disney aspect.

It's a little weird for us to take I-95 through the Melbourne area because it takes us directly past where my wife's younger sister lived–she died two years ago. But I suppose that's something you just have to get over. Avoiding an area for that sort of reason makes no sense. Obviously it bothers her more than it bothers me, and the fact that it's not a place we pass all that often no doubt contributes).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on March 01, 2022, 05:18:46 PM
The express lanes aren't going to help much with I-4's traffic woes in the area you wish to travel. The southwestern portion from Exit 55 to Exit 64 is usually at a standstill most of the day. FL-429 avoids most of it, but from Exit 60 down to 55 is among the worst sections of roadway! Coming back from Tampa on the Friday afternoon before President's Day weekend I got stuck in a solid backup starting at Exit 48! I was lucky my destination was accessible off of Exit 55 (US-27).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on March 01, 2022, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on March 01, 2022, 05:18:46 PM
The express lanes aren't going to help much with I-4's traffic woes in the area you wish to travel. The southwestern portion from Exit 55 to Exit 64 is usually at a standstill most of the day. FL-429 avoids most of it, but from Exit 60 down to 55 is among the worst sections of roadway! Coming back from Tampa on the Friday afternoon before President's Day weekend I got stuck in a solid backup starting at Exit 48! I was lucky my destination was accessible off of Exit 55 (US-27).

My thought was that if I were coming up the Turnpike from Miami, I could take the direct ramp from the Turnpike into the express lanes and those would then carry me almost all the way to the Lake Mary/Sanford area.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 02, 2022, 08:47:40 PM
Suncoast Parkway Extension to SR 44 is now open.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 05, 2022, 03:02:21 PM
Posted photos covering both directions of the Suncoast Parkway 2 section opened this past Monday:

Northbound (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/fl-589-north-crystal-river/)
Southbound (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/fl-589-south-lecanto/)

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/589/fl-589-n-exit-067-7.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/589/fl-589-n-exit-067-7.jpg)

North End

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/589/fl-589-s-exit-060-2.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/589/fl-589-s-exit-060-2.jpg)

Short roadway stub at the southbound beginning from SR 44.

Also drove the newly opened I-4 Ultimate Express Lanes on Wednesday and will be adding pages on the site for those soon.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 19, 2022, 11:08:43 AM
Back in August 2021 I took a picture of the Chain of Lakes Rail Trail Bridge over US 17-92 in Lake Alfred.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/NEB_US_17-92%3B_Chain_of_Lakes_Trail_Bridge.jpg/640px-NEB_US_17-92%3B_Chain_of_Lakes_Trail_Bridge.jpg)

From what I gather from Historic Aerials, the former Atlantic Coast Line Railroad line which the trail replaced didn't have a bridge over or under US 17-92. Am I right or not?

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 19, 2022, 11:33:40 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on March 19, 2022, 11:08:43 AM
Back in August 2021 I took a picture of the Chain of Lakes Rail Trail Bridge over US 17-92 in Lake Alfred.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/NEB_US_17-92%3B_Chain_of_Lakes_Trail_Bridge.jpg/640px-NEB_US_17-92%3B_Chain_of_Lakes_Trail_Bridge.jpg)

From what I gather from Historic Aerials, the former Atlantic Coast Line Railroad line which the trail replaced didn't have a bridge over or under US 17-92. Am I right or not?



Correct. It had an at grade crossing even into the nineties.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on March 21, 2022, 03:30:45 PM
So anyone know what the criteria that Polk County uses to use a county route marker versus not using one?  Why is Deen Still Road not marked as a county road number?  Is it to discourage through traffic?  I find it a good alternative.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on March 21, 2022, 06:18:43 PM
I almost had to take it as an alternate route once, because I-4. I think Ronald Reagan Parkway was signed as CR-54 at one time.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: tolbs17 on March 21, 2022, 06:58:16 PM
If this hasn't been posted yet, Jacksonville's first DDI is open at J Turner Butler Blvd and San Pablo Rd.

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/duval-county/jacksonvilles-first-diverging-diamond-interchange-now-open/AAX6GLKYWVA27AUMKQR7HIE3MQ/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 22, 2022, 06:44:13 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on March 21, 2022, 03:30:45 PM
So anyone know what the criteria that Polk County uses to use a county route marker versus not using one?  Why is Deen Still Road not marked as a county road number?  Is it to discourage through traffic?  I find it a good alternative.

Short answer is there's no rhyme or reason.

Usually, the signed county roads are the former state secondary roads. If the county extended the routes, then sometimes they sign them, other times, just a road name. A few counties also have their own county road system which doesn't follow the grid, so there's lots of those pentagon signs. Some counties post almost zero county road signs.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 22, 2022, 09:49:57 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 21, 2022, 06:58:16 PM
If this hasn't been posted yet, Jacksonville's first DDI is open at J Turner Butler Blvd and San Pablo Rd.

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/duval-county/jacksonvilles-first-diverging-diamond-interchange-now-open/AAX6GLKYWVA27AUMKQR7HIE3MQ/

Damn! I went to that link, and I found three big accidents in Northwest Jacksonville, two of which are on I-10.

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/duval-county/jfrd-semi-overturns-i-10-jacksonville-causing-fuel-leak-traffic-delays-expected/664SM2EYPNCQ5KHBTPBJPOP6JY/

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: edwaleni on March 22, 2022, 09:59:12 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 21, 2022, 06:58:16 PM
If this hasn't been posted yet, Jacksonville's first DDI is open at J Turner Butler Blvd and San Pablo Rd.

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/duval-county/jacksonvilles-first-diverging-diamond-interchange-now-open/AAX6GLKYWVA27AUMKQR7HIE3MQ/

You wouldn't normally think that a diverging diamond would be so newsworthy, but it is a very busy intersection, especially with Mayo Clinic right there.

Not mentioned in the report is that FDOT also put in a custom entry/exit for Mayo on the westbound ramp to FL-202 (J Turner Butler Boulevard). This gets most of the employees exiting directly to the expressway instead of dumping onto San Pablo before reaching the old ramp.

From what I have read, this fixes the traffic going east/west or south, but traffic going north on San Pablo still will see major backups because Beach Boulevard (US-90) a couple of miles north is timed to have preference at rush hour.

Also of note is Mayo Clinic is expanding that campus once again. More buildings means more patients, more doctors, more employees.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: STLmapboy on March 22, 2022, 04:28:36 PM
Was in South Florida this past week and saw this (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.2276486,-80.1365158,3a,75y,130.8h,93.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stdWKEczimTNVHn248nWoxw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en/) odd style of gantry on I-95 in Pompano Beach. Is this typical of FL express lane installs? And are there more like this?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 22, 2022, 05:06:01 PM
Quote from: STLmapboy on March 22, 2022, 04:28:36 PM
Was in South Florida this past week and saw this (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.2276486,-80.1365158,3a,75y,130.8h,93.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stdWKEczimTNVHn248nWoxw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en/) odd style of gantry on I-95 in Pompano Beach. Is this typical of FL express lane installs? And are there more like this?

Those are weird. There's like a dozen acute angle bracings in that gantry. Construction started in late-2020 but wasn't done until mid-2021(?). The top half of the gantry is fairly commonplace. The dozens of bolts lined up are also unusual; normally the post is mounted lower than the top of the narrow concrete wall, with a section of the barrier cut-out for the thickness of the wide vertical tube, and the barrier has a shapely form to compensate for its added width. So it looks like a new design to me.

The un-curved monotube is a lot more common over the last 15-20 years or so. (It probably better explains what I'm trying describe.) (https://goo.gl/maps/vvELBF9hngUULcZQ8)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on March 22, 2022, 07:41:44 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on March 22, 2022, 09:59:12 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 21, 2022, 06:58:16 PM
If this hasn't been posted yet, Jacksonville's first DDI is open at J Turner Butler Blvd and San Pablo Rd.

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/duval-county/jacksonvilles-first-diverging-diamond-interchange-now-open/AAX6GLKYWVA27AUMKQR7HIE3MQ/ (https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/duval-county/jacksonvilles-first-diverging-diamond-interchange-now-open/AAX6GLKYWVA27AUMKQR7HIE3MQ/)

You wouldn't normally think that a diverging diamond would be so newsworthy, but it is a very busy intersection, especially with Mayo Clinic right there.

Not mentioned in the report is that FDOT also put in a custom entry/exit for Mayo on the westbound ramp to FL-202 (J Turner Butler Boulevard). This gets most of the employees exiting directly to the expressway instead of dumping onto San Pablo before reaching the old ramp.

From what I have read, this fixes the traffic going east/west or south, but traffic going north on San Pablo still will see major backups because Beach Boulevard (US-90) a couple of miles north is timed to have preference at rush hour.

Also of note is Mayo Clinic is expanding that campus once again. More buildings means more patients, more doctors, more employees.
There are more DDIs planned for the area, with one going on I-295 at the Town Center Parkway exit...that one needs it sooner than later with the headaches caused by expansion of the eponymous mall and area surrounding it. Not to mention UNF across from the Town Center. Another DDI is planned for JTB and Belfort which is another hard to drive area due to the numerous offices (technically known as Southpoint) and even the hospital there (St. Vincent's).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: STLmapboy on March 22, 2022, 08:27:33 PM
Quote from: formulanone on March 22, 2022, 05:06:01 PM
Quote from: STLmapboy on March 22, 2022, 04:28:36 PM
Was in South Florida this past week and saw this (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.2276486,-80.1365158,3a,75y,130.8h,93.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stdWKEczimTNVHn248nWoxw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en/) odd style of gantry on I-95 in Pompano Beach. Is this typical of FL express lane installs? And are there more like this?

Those are weird. There's like a dozen acute angle bracings in that gantry. Construction started in late-2020 but wasn't done until mid-2021(?). The top half of the gantry is fairly commonplace. The dozens of bolts lined up are also unusual; normally the post is mounted lower than the top of the narrow concrete wall, with a section of the barrier cut-out for the thickness of the wide vertical tube, and the barrier has a shapely form to compensate for its added width. So it looks like a new design to me.

The un-curved monotube is a lot more common over the last 15-20 years or so. (It probably better explains what I'm trying describe.) (https://goo.gl/maps/vvELBF9hngUULcZQ8)

Yeah, I've seen plenty of that down there. This was a new one for me.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: edwaleni on March 22, 2022, 09:18:22 PM
Quote from: STLmapboy on March 22, 2022, 08:27:33 PM
Quote from: formulanone on March 22, 2022, 05:06:01 PM
Quote from: STLmapboy on March 22, 2022, 04:28:36 PM
Was in South Florida this past week and saw this (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.2276486,-80.1365158,3a,75y,130.8h,93.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stdWKEczimTNVHn248nWoxw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en/) odd style of gantry on I-95 in Pompano Beach. Is this typical of FL express lane installs? And are there more like this?

Those are weird. There's like a dozen acute angle bracings in that gantry. Construction started in late-2020 but wasn't done until mid-2021(?). The top half of the gantry is fairly commonplace. The dozens of bolts lined up are also unusual; normally the post is mounted lower than the top of the narrow concrete wall, with a section of the barrier cut-out for the thickness of the wide vertical tube, and the barrier has a shapely form to compensate for its added width. So it looks like a new design to me.

The un-curved monotube is a lot more common over the last 15-20 years or so. (It probably better explains what I'm trying describe.) (https://goo.gl/maps/vvELBF9hngUULcZQ8)

Yeah, I've seen plenty of that down there. This was a new one for me.

Hurricane resiliency.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 23, 2022, 02:24:12 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on March 22, 2022, 07:41:44 PM
There are more DDIs planned for the area, with one going on I-295 at the Town Center Parkway exit...that one needs it sooner than later with the headaches caused by expansion of the eponymous mall and area surrounding it. Not to mention UNF across from the Town Center.
How would this affect the intersection with St. John's Bluff Road? There doesn't seem to be enough room to switch to the "wrong way" between there and I-295 and still provide left turn lanes for that intersection? 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/30%C2%B020'05.0%22N+81%C2%B039'35.0%22W/@30.2688061,-81.5234551,935m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xae306a1ea7be3a7c!8m2!3d30.334722!4d-81.659722?hl=en
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on March 30, 2022, 02:53:47 PM
So the grandson has a birthday to day (party on Saturday) so it was time for another Mountains to the SeaGulf trip. Nothing really unusual -- a portion of I-77 was under construction, per some hidden rule in the North Carolina constitution that requires perpetual work on that highway. Pavement in South Carolina on I-95 was its typical ruts and bumps in places although traffic was behaving. Savannah really needs another lane or two on I-95 due to the traffic volume.

Then we get to Florida. Because we were in my Honda Passport instead of our Odyssey, gas stops were not the same. Rather than trust what we might find on U.S. 301, we didn't get off at Yulee but opted to continue to I-295 to pick up I-10 to Baldwin. Now I know why I avoid that section. The interchange of I-295 and I-95 is a giant mess, with old lanes, lane shifts, and a confusion of ramps. I hope the final product will be an improvement worth the inconvenience. The interchange on I-10 and 301 is also a mess, more than 5 years after we started making these trips. Exiting the interstate to head south on 301 uses a combination of the old, tight ramp and a small part of the new ramp (which doesn't look to be any less tight). Based on the progress? on this, I suspect our grandson will be entering college about the time it is completed (he turns 2 today).

So, the question -- does Florida bid projects as long-term make-work contracts to keep people employed for a long period of time?

Bruce in Blacksburg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 31, 2022, 06:45:12 PM
I really wish FDOT Region 2 would make use of this extra right-of-way along northbound I-75 and SR 222 (Exit 390).

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.6885293,-82.4459432,3a,75y,20.38h,91.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJXYwAaZpBpEIs8RCij9ydw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en


It seems that an east to northbound loop ramp was originally wanted. Something which probably could've connected to the west to northbound on-ramp, just like you see with the southbound on-ramp.



Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 31, 2022, 07:22:45 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on March 31, 2022, 06:45:12 PM
I really wish FDOT Region 2 would make use of this extra right-of-way along northbound I-75 and SR 222 (Exit 390).

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.6885293,-82.4459432,3a,75y,20.38h,91.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJXYwAaZpBpEIs8RCij9ydw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en


It seems that an east to northbound loop ramp was originally wanted. Something which probably could've connected to the west to northbound on-ramp, just like you see with the southbound on-ramp.

The traffic backed up on SR 222 towards I-75 South, warranting the 270-degree C/D lane, but there isn't as much demand for I-75 to CR 222 West. However, there's still a long line from I-75 North onto SR 222 East, due to the proximity of Santa Fe College, but the existing ROW can't reasonably be used for that movement, without putting some unusual over-arching ramp in its place.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 31, 2022, 10:57:14 PM
Quote from: VTGoose on March 30, 2022, 02:53:47 PM
So the grandson has a birthday to day (party on Saturday) so it was time for another Mountains to the SeaGulf trip. Nothing really unusual -- a portion of I-77 was under construction, per some hidden rule in the North Carolina constitution that requires perpetual work on that highway. Pavement in South Carolina on I-95 was its typical ruts and bumps in places although traffic was behaving. Savannah really needs another lane or two on I-95 due to the traffic volume.

Then we get to Florida. Because we were in my Honda Passport instead of our Odyssey, gas stops were not the same. Rather than trust what we might find on U.S. 301, we didn't get off at Yulee but opted to continue to I-295 to pick up I-10 to Baldwin. Now I know why I avoid that section. The interchange of I-295 and I-95 is a giant mess, with old lanes, lane shifts, and a confusion of ramps. I hope the final product will be an improvement worth the inconvenience. The interchange on I-10 and 301 is also a mess, more than 5 years after we started making these trips. Exiting the interstate to head south on 301 uses a combination of the old, tight ramp and a small part of the new ramp (which doesn't look to be any less tight). Based on the progress? on this, I suspect our grandson will be entering college about the time it is completed (he turns 2 today).

So, the question -- does Florida bid projects as long-term make-work contracts to keep people employed for a long period of time?

Bruce in Blacksburg

I find it best to avoid that never ending mess at US 301 and I-10 at Baldwin. A viable alternative I have used several times now is SR 228 east from US 301 to POW/MIA Pkwy north to SR 23/First Coast Expressway. SR 228 is two lanes but no signals. POW/MIA Pkwy is an arterial cut off to SR 23, and the benefit is that SR 23 north from there is actually Cecil Commerce Pkwy and toll free.

No ridiculous long queues of semi's at I-10 to deal with that way. Try it on your next pass through.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on April 01, 2022, 10:02:09 AM
Quote from: Alex on March 31, 2022, 10:57:14 PM

I find it best to avoid that never ending mess at US 301 and I-10 at Baldwin. A viable alternative I have used several times now is SR 228 east from US 301 to POW/MIA Pkwy north to SR 23/First Coast Expressway. SR 228 is two lanes but no signals. POW/MIA Pkwy is an arterial cut off to SR 23, and the benefit is that SR 23 north from there is actually Cecil Commerce Pkwy and toll free.

No ridiculous long queues of semi's at I-10 to deal with that way. Try it on your next pass through.

That still dumps you on I-10 to get to I-295. Getting on or off U.S. 301 at Youlee avoids all that mess and is pretty traffic free. The Baldwin bypass (finally completed) makes that even easier since it avoids worry about being caught at the CSX grade crossing. At least the new ramp from 301 north to I-10 east was completed a couple of years ago, so there are no more backups due to the left turn onto the old ramp.

Bruce in Blacksburg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 01, 2022, 02:46:01 PM
Quote from: VTGoose on April 01, 2022, 10:02:09 AM
Quote from: Alex on March 31, 2022, 10:57:14 PM

I find it best to avoid that never ending mess at US 301 and I-10 at Baldwin. A viable alternative I have used several times now is SR 228 east from US 301 to POW/MIA Pkwy north to SR 23/First Coast Expressway. SR 228 is two lanes but no signals. POW/MIA Pkwy is an arterial cut off to SR 23, and the benefit is that SR 23 north from there is actually Cecil Commerce Pkwy and toll free.

No ridiculous long queues of semi's at I-10 to deal with that way. Try it on your next pass through.

That still dumps you on I-10 to get to I-295. Getting on or off U.S. 301 at Youlee avoids all that mess and is pretty traffic free. The Baldwin bypass (finally completed) makes that even easier since it avoids worry about being caught at the CSX grade crossing. At least the new ramp from 301 north to I-10 east was completed a couple of years ago, so there are no more backups due to the left turn onto the old ramp.

Bruce in Blacksburg

The only thing I don't like about the Baldwin Bypass is that there's an intersection with US 90 instead of an interchange. I think it could've used an interchange to keep the flow of north and south traffic moving. It wouldn't have to be anything elaborate. Just a diamond interchange or a small SPUI.


Also, besides the north-to-eastbound US 301 ramp to I-10, you've got the west-to-northbound ramp to US 301. I can't wait to see the rest of the project finished.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 02, 2022, 09:25:37 AM
Does everybody see this overhead sign gantry at the southwest end of the US 17-92 overlap in Lake Alfred?

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.076456,-81.731361,3a,75y,239.16h,103.28t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sPARyaDE-wIyEPAbI5165Zw!2e0!5s20160601T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

This was torn down when the Chain of Lakes Rail Trail Bridge was built over the road. I think it should be brought back, but on the east side of the bridge.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 02, 2022, 04:41:21 PM
New quest, people;

According to Historic Aerials (https://historicaerials.com/?layer=map&zoom=12&lat=28.066944&lon=-81.795278), US 92 used to be a one-way pair in Auburndale until sometime in the 1960's. Westbound US 92 ran along Bridgers Avenue and had the hidden State Road 600, while eastbound US 92 ran along the current path but also had a hidden extension of State Road 544, which also included what is now Old Winter Haven Road and Jersey Road.

All I need are the dates for these designations. Besides Historical Aerials, the usual online source (UF Digital Collection) isn't telling me anything.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 02, 2022, 04:44:00 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on April 02, 2022, 04:41:21 PM
New quest, people;

According to Historic Aerials (https://historicaerials.com/?layer=map&zoom=12&lat=28.066944&lon=-81.795278), US 92 used to be a one-way pair in Auburndale until sometime in the 1960's. Westbound US 92 ran along Bridgers Avenue and had the hidden State Road 600, while eastbound US 92 ran along the current path but also had a hidden extension of State Road 544, which also included what is now Old Winter Haven Road and Jersey Road.

All I need are the dates for these designations. Besides Historical Aerials, the usual online source (UF Digital Collection) isn't telling me anything.

Have you tried archive.org for FDOT materials (there is a lot) and maybe even the AASHTO database?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on April 02, 2022, 08:36:46 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on April 02, 2022, 04:41:21 PM
New quest, people;

According to Historic Aerials (https://historicaerials.com/?layer=map&zoom=12&lat=28.066944&lon=-81.795278), US 92 used to be a one-way pair in Auburndale until sometime in the 1960's. Westbound US 92 ran along Bridgers Avenue and had the hidden State Road 600, while eastbound US 92 ran along the current path but also had a hidden extension of State Road 544, which also included what is now Old Winter Haven Road and Jersey Road.

All I need are the dates for these designations. Besides Historical Aerials, the usual online source (UF Digital Collection) isn't telling me anything.
I see no such thing. Topos have no one-way arrows. 1952 and 1957 aerials show both alignments as two-way.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 02, 2022, 09:14:43 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 02, 2022, 04:44:00 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on April 02, 2022, 04:41:21 PM
New quest, people;

According to Historic Aerials (https://historicaerials.com/?layer=map&zoom=12&lat=28.066944&lon=-81.795278), US 92 used to be a one-way pair in Auburndale until sometime in the 1960's. Westbound US 92 ran along Bridgers Avenue and had the hidden State Road 600, while eastbound US 92 ran along the current path but also had a hidden extension of State Road 544, which also included what is now Old Winter Haven Road and Jersey Road.

All I need are the dates for these designations. Besides Historical Aerials, the usual online source (UF Digital Collection) isn't telling me anything.

Have you tried archive.org for FDOT materials (there is a lot) and maybe even the AASHTO database?
I can't trust archive.org for too much anymore other than a few old short films. Far too often I try to look for something there, and they given me an error message, or say that it's flat out not archived.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 02, 2022, 10:04:07 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on April 02, 2022, 09:14:43 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 02, 2022, 04:44:00 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on April 02, 2022, 04:41:21 PM
New quest, people;

According to Historic Aerials (https://historicaerials.com/?layer=map&zoom=12&lat=28.066944&lon=-81.795278), US 92 used to be a one-way pair in Auburndale until sometime in the 1960's. Westbound US 92 ran along Bridgers Avenue and had the hidden State Road 600, while eastbound US 92 ran along the current path but also had a hidden extension of State Road 544, which also included what is now Old Winter Haven Road and Jersey Road.

All I need are the dates for these designations. Besides Historical Aerials, the usual online source (UF Digital Collection) isn't telling me anything.

Have you tried archive.org for FDOT materials (there is a lot) and maybe even the AASHTO database?
I can't trust archive.org for too much anymore other than a few old short films. Far too often I try to look for something there, and they given me an error message, or say that it's flat out not archived.

All the volumes of Florida Highways and a bunch of other stuff is available searching for Florida State Road Department:

https://archive.org/search.php?query=Florida%20State%20road%20department&sin=TXT
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: UCFKnights on April 03, 2022, 11:34:07 AM
Quote from: STLmapboy on March 22, 2022, 04:28:36 PM
Was in South Florida this past week and saw this (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.2276486,-80.1365158,3a,75y,130.8h,93.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stdWKEczimTNVHn248nWoxw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en/) odd style of gantry on I-95 in Pompano Beach. Is this typical of FL express lane installs? And are there more like this?
There are a few more amongst the HOV to express lane conversions. The early HOV to express lane conversions garnered a lot of complaints from FHP that it was too difficult to pull people over and they couldn't respond to accidents, partly because the only shoulder on the left narrowed too much to travel at all, too frequently with every gantry, this new design reduces the intrusion into their pull over/emergency lane. Here's a mixed one:

https://www.google.com/maps/@26.223247,-80.1364804,3a,90y,349.27h,101.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sRZ9ldYyHN8wgk-WR30-FoQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en



Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 04, 2022, 08:41:53 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/9TFysb273g1vBaTC7
I'd like to know what is the white Pilar on the New Pensacola Bay Bridge?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mapmikey on April 04, 2022, 11:04:24 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 04, 2022, 08:41:53 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/9TFysb273g1vBaTC7
I'd like to know what is the white Pilar on the New Pensacola Bay Bridge?

The Feb 2022 view shows what it is for...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: MASTERNC on April 12, 2022, 08:41:33 PM
I returned to Jacksonville for the first time in 12 years and the one thing I noticed is the I-295/I-95 interchange north of the city is still under construction. Granted, when I was last there in 2009, the east side of the beltway was not signed as I-295, and the work was mainly on the SB flyover to the east leg of the beltway, but it's still crazy that interchange wasn't all done at once by now.

Oh, and there is a 4 mile advanced BGS with arrows on I-295 approaching I-95 from the NE side. That is the most advanced warning I've seen for a diagrammatical BGS.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on April 13, 2022, 09:04:59 AM
Quote from: MASTERNC on April 12, 2022, 08:41:33 PM
I returned to Jacksonville for the first time in 12 years and the one thing I noticed is the I-295/I-95 interchange north of the city is still under construction. Granted, when I was last there in 2009, the east side of the beltway was not signed as I-295, and the work was mainly on the SB flyover to the east leg of the beltway, but it's still crazy that interchange wasn't all done at once by now.

That seems to be the Florida way. The Starke and Baldwin bypasses took years to complete and work is still going on at the I-10/U.S. 301 interchange. By the time some of these projects are done, some of the early workers who stick with the project will marry, have kids, and be ready to send at least one kid off to college.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: edwaleni on April 20, 2022, 06:10:05 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on April 12, 2022, 08:41:33 PM
I returned to Jacksonville for the first time in 12 years and the one thing I noticed is the I-295/I-95 interchange north of the city is still under construction. Granted, when I was last there in 2009, the east side of the beltway was not signed as I-295, and the work was mainly on the SB flyover to the east leg of the beltway, but it's still crazy that interchange wasn't all done at once by now.

Oh, and there is a 4 mile advanced BGS with arrows on I-295 approaching I-95 from the NE side. That is the most advanced warning I've seen for a diagrammatical BGS.

Construction was delayed at first when a worker found skeletons and skulls in some of the fill dirt. FDOT had to first make sure they didn't upset an Indian gravesite (they didn't). Then they had to back trace where the fill dirt had been. The second delay is all covid based.

Seems one of the dirt contractors was using a off job site to store the dirt when it came in during the off hours and it was a abandoned cemetery.  Then when the contractor picked up the dirt to take it to the job site they disturbed the remains below and it was taken out and poured. That is when a worker saw the skulls and bones.

As for the lengthy BGS distance is because that NE quadrant of I-295 supports a large number of logistics trucks coming in and out of Jaxport. The separation for the Heckscher Drive exit is sooner than a standard exit ramp, so they start warning early so the trucks will be in position.
Title: U.S. 1 Business in St. Augustine to be decommissioned
Post by: Alex on April 21, 2022, 10:37:29 AM
I received an email from D2 regarding a map change I submitted for the next update of the State of Florida Map regarding an incorrect placement of an SR A1A shield on the St. Augustine inset. As an aside, the RCI Coordinator wrote that Florida has requested for the removal of U.S. 1 Business to AASHTO, as FDOT and the City of St. Augustine are in negotiations for the transfer of maintenance of King Street and Cathedral Place from the state.

U.S. 1 Business is not a complete loop currently anyway, with state maintenance ending from the south at SR 16.
Title: Re: U.S. 1 Business in St. Augustine to be decommissioned
Post by: edwaleni on April 21, 2022, 03:58:08 PM
Quote from: Alex on April 21, 2022, 10:37:29 AM
I received an email from D2 regarding a map change I submitted for the next update of the State of Florida Map regarding an incorrect placement of an SR A1A shield on the St. Augustine inset. As an aside, the RCI Coordinator wrote that Florida has requested for the removal of U.S. 1 Business to AASHTO, as FDOT and the City of St. Augustine are in negotiations for the transfer of maintenance of King Street and Cathedral Place from the state.

U.S. 1 Business is not a complete loop currently anyway, with state maintenance ending from the south at SR 16.

Very interesting. I agree that the US 1 Business is pointless now. Perhaps back in 1966, but not now.

I am wondering when FDOT will drop ALT US-90 in Jacksonville. Yes, it exists because US-90 uses the Alsop (Main Street) draw bridge to cross the St John's, but now the Acosta crosses in a more simplified manner negating the use of an ALT.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 21, 2022, 04:56:06 PM
FDOT is actually bothering to petition the AASHTO Executive Committee on a Business Route being deleted?  Most DOTs just remove the signage and never bother with the AASHTO.  I would half expect a snarky response from the Executive Committee for an intrastate request if it makes it to the AASHTO Database.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 21, 2022, 05:03:09 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 21, 2022, 04:56:06 PM
FDOT is actually bothering to petition the AASHTO Executive Committee on a Business Route being deleted?  Most DOTs just remove the signage and never bother with the AASHTO.  I would half expect a snarky response from the Executive Committee for an intrastate request if it makes it to the AASHTO Database.

I doubt it.  Arkansas and Michigan have been doing it for a while.  Missouri just did it with US 54 BUS (Lake of the Ozarks) at the last meeting.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 21, 2022, 05:09:35 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on April 21, 2022, 05:03:09 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 21, 2022, 04:56:06 PM
FDOT is actually bothering to petition the AASHTO Executive Committee on a Business Route being deleted?  Most DOTs just remove the signage and never bother with the AASHTO.  I would half expect a snarky response from the Executive Committee for an intrastate request if it makes it to the AASHTO Database.

I doubt it.  Arkansas and Michigan have been doing it for a while.  Missouri just did it with US 54 (Lake of the Ozarks) at the last meeting.

Interestingly I'm not sure if California (the state I do by far my most research on in the Database) has ever formally made explicit requests to decommission a US Route Business Loop.  I would be kind of interested in figuring out on the whole how many Business Routes are still on AASHTO log books but are not actually field signed? 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: bassoon1986 on April 21, 2022, 06:58:10 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 21, 2022, 05:09:35 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on April 21, 2022, 05:03:09 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 21, 2022, 04:56:06 PM
FDOT is actually bothering to petition the AASHTO Executive Committee on a Business Route being deleted?  Most DOTs just remove the signage and never bother with the AASHTO.  I would half expect a snarky response from the Executive Committee for an intrastate request if it makes it to the AASHTO Database.

I doubt it.  Arkansas and Michigan have been doing it for a while.  Missouri just did it with US 54 (Lake of the Ozarks) at the last meeting.

Interestingly I'm not sure if California (the state I do by far my most research on in the Database) has ever formally made explicit requests to decommission a US Route Business Loop.  I would be kind of interested in figuring out on the whole how many Business Routes are still on AASHTO log books but are not actually field signed?
You should make a new thread on that. I'm sure enough of us know which ones are and aren't in our areas.


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Title: Re: U.S. 1 Business in St. Augustine to be decommissioned
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 21, 2022, 08:28:38 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on April 21, 2022, 03:58:08 PM
I am wondering when FDOT will drop ALT US-90 in Jacksonville. Yes, it exists because US-90 uses the Alsop (Main Street) draw bridge to cross the St John's, but now the Acosta crosses in a more simplified manner negating the use of an ALT.

Alt US-90 doesn't even bypass the Main Street bridge anymore.
https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&u=null&r=fl.us090altjac
Title: Re: U.S. 1 Business in St. Augustine to be decommissioned
Post by: edwaleni on April 21, 2022, 10:29:24 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 21, 2022, 08:28:38 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on April 21, 2022, 03:58:08 PM
I am wondering when FDOT will drop ALT US-90 in Jacksonville. Yes, it exists because US-90 uses the Alsop (Main Street) draw bridge to cross the St John's, but now the Acosta crosses in a more simplified manner negating the use of an ALT.

Alt US-90 doesn't even bypass the Main Street bridge anymore.
https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&u=null&r=fl.us090altjac

Ah, I asked an old timer who used to drive trucks. He said ALT US-90 is due to a clearance issue when Beach Boulevard (US-90) goes under the Commodore Point Expressway, aka Hart Bridge Expressway.

I went and looked online and it doesn't even have a clearance marker or notification of height.  This can't be right.

As for my confusion on river crossings, that be that "other" ALT in Jacksonville, ALT US-1.

It starts at Philips Hwy and Emerson, goes east to the Hart Expressway, crosses the St. Johns turns north and is part of the MLK Expwy until it reaches Main Street on the north side of town.

I was always told that ALT US-1 will remain due to US-1 also crossing the Main Street bridge co-signed with US-90.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52020825091_a31880cd8d_b.jpg)

Talk about confusion. Shouldn't ALT US-90 also avoid the drawbridge as ALT US-1 does?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 22, 2022, 04:05:08 AM
At one point, there was an Alt US-90 that went along the Mathews Bridge/Arlington Expressway and then back down Southside Blvd (FL-115).  But that route is no-more.

A lone sign for it lasted till ~Apr '11 per StreetView: https://goo.gl/maps/VWizdcaUjCsN5FPz6

==

As for clearance, maybe it was for the Emerson Street Expressway bridge? (Just corrected the name.) Historical StreetView from Jan '17 shows a painted on 'Clearance 15'-4"' on the bridge. https://goo.gl/maps/Vwook9FkoRnwRQFQ9  By the next time StreetView went through the area, it had been painted over.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: edwaleni on April 22, 2022, 09:47:34 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 22, 2022, 04:05:08 AM
At one point, there was an Alt US-90 that went along the Mathews Bridge/Arlington Expressway and then back down Southside Blvd (FL-115).  But that route is no-more.

A lone sign for it lasted till ~Apr '11 per StreetView: https://goo.gl/maps/VWizdcaUjCsN5FPz6

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As for clearance, maybe it was for the Hart Expressway bridge?  Historical StreetView from Jan '17 shows a painted on 'Clearance 15'-4"' on the bridge. https://goo.gl/maps/Vwook9FkoRnwRQFQ9  By the next time StreetView went through the area, it had been painted over.

This is the bridge clearance problem he was pointing at to me, its where US-90 goes under the Hart Expressway. No clearance signs!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52021708908_a663fa6497_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on April 22, 2022, 05:58:40 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 22, 2022, 04:05:08 AM
At one point, there was an Alt US-90 that went along the Mathews Bridge/Arlington Expressway and then back down Southside Blvd (FL-115).  But that route is no-more.

A lone sign for it lasted till ~Apr '11 per StreetView: https://goo.gl/maps/VWizdcaUjCsN5FPz6
One sign hangs on downtown: http://www.google.com/maps/@30.333185,-81.6575642,3a,75y,209.44h,89.66t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sK2nsBnH6tte0FAqa8NwdfA!2e0!5s20220201T000000!7i16384!8i8192 (there were previously others pointing left from State onto Laura)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on April 22, 2022, 06:10:22 PM
Speaking of Jax, it looks like the erroneous TO 17/228 is finally disappearing (http://www.google.com/maps/@30.3204809,-81.683328,3a,75y,89.29h,98.58t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGmyGGf88Z_2Zm-umjkLZEw!2e0!5s20220201T000000!7i16384!8i8192) (the APL in front is newer, and presumably the signs in back are coming down). I never realized it had a companion (http://www.google.com/maps/@30.3231501,-81.6795112,3a,23.7y,284.11h,98.04t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sqR2XpmVk8kQYwJEJOacsOA!2e0!5s20220201T000000!7i16384!8i8192) going the other way, implying FDOT was seriously considering taking 17/228 on Forest-Riverside.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 23, 2022, 12:26:13 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on April 22, 2022, 09:47:34 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 22, 2022, 04:05:08 AM
As for clearance, maybe it was for the Emerson Street Expressway bridge?  Historical StreetView from Jan '17 shows a painted on 'Clearance 15'-4"' on the bridge. https://goo.gl/maps/Vwook9FkoRnwRQFQ9  By the next time StreetView went through the area, it had been painted over.

This is the bridge clearance problem he was pointing at to me, its where US-90 goes under the Hart Expressway. No clearance signs!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52021708908_a663fa6497_b.jpg)

I knew which bridge you were referring to.  Looking back at historical StreetView, that bridge did have clearance signs in the past. https://goo.gl/maps/eEJY994xmELkuPp58
It was 15'-3".  So, an inch lower than the Emerson Street Expressway one. (fixed my original post)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 23, 2022, 08:06:58 AM
US 90 ALT made more sense on its original alignment than now. 

I do miss the days when US 1 ALT concurred with it on both Baymeadows and the Arlington as it was neat to see the red and blue shields signed together back then.


In St. Augustine the removal of Business US 1 is something no one will miss, especially now with the historical area having a garage for pubic parking along US 1 mainline. No one needs to loop along King Street, Avenida Menedez, Castillo Drive, and San Marco Avenue to reach the various points and search for parking.

IMO extend SR 16 along San Marco to SR A1A so the part from the current east terminus to A1A could still be in the system to connect SR 16 to the Beach areas.

https://goo.gl/maps/rEuMFxKe6FBqvoEx6
This sign along US 1 sort of creates a de facto spur anyway to avoid the loop.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on April 23, 2022, 09:21:37 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 23, 2022, 08:06:58 AM
pubic parking

I mean, it is Florida, after all...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 27, 2022, 07:50:29 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 10, 2021, 09:06:41 AM
I see FDOT is building a test area along US 301 in Clay County.  They are building a third carriage way for the four lane divided highway to make a six lane double divided highway.
https://www.fdot.gov/docs/default-source/materials/pavement/research/reports/stateroad/301.pdf
I should've taken pictures of that when I was coming back from Folkston, GA in mid-March. I actually tried, but I couldn't get any good shots.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 08, 2022, 08:15:42 AM
While so many of you have been on the subject of Jacksonville, can anybody figure out what this sign said (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3294341,-81.6766734,3a,15y,194.34h,91t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s0D7UE9CCrzojUWLib5vOLA!2e0!5s20190101T000000!7i16384!8i8192) before the lower lines were banged out of existence?

BTW, the abrupt endings of SR 211 and SR 13 sucks ass!


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: hotdogPi on May 08, 2022, 08:21:35 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on May 08, 2022, 08:15:42 AM
While so many of you have been on the subject of Jacksonville, can anybody figure out what this sign said (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3294341,-81.6766734,3a,15y,194.34h,91t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s0D7UE9CCrzojUWLib5vOLA!2e0!5s20190101T000000!7i16384!8i8192) before the lower lines were banged out of existence?

BTW, the abrupt endings of SR 211 and SR 13 sucks ass!

The last line is HEIGHT PICKUPS. I moved forward one to see it closer, although that one has a GSV stitching error in the second line.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 11, 2022, 08:45:03 AM
https://www.fdottampabay.com/project/287/429251-1-52-01

Work is begun on I-75 at State Road 574 for another DDI as well as a new c/d road between it and I-4.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 14, 2022, 03:39:50 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 11, 2022, 08:45:03 AM
https://www.fdottampabay.com/project/287/429251-1-52-01

Work is begun on I-75 at State Road 574 for another DDI as well as a new c/d road between it and I-4.
So, if the northbound c/d road is extended south of FL 574 itself, I suppose that means northbound Exit 260 will be for both MLK and I-4.

And like the link between I-275 and FL 56, I have to ask why a southbound c/d road isn't being added to the project.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 14, 2022, 04:01:16 PM
Another topic; Maybe it's just me, but I keep having the feeling that FDOT 1 was originally intending to make the intersection of FL 548 and 539 in Lakeland into a folded diamond interchange.

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.0482311,-81.9640754,987m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en



Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on May 14, 2022, 06:06:08 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on May 14, 2022, 03:39:50 PM
And like the link between I-275 and FL 56, I have to ask why a southbound c/d road isn't being added to the project.
That is because it's in an earlier stage of design. I inadvertently came across some conceptual plans one day a couple of weeks ago at work (someone had printed it out on our copy machine), so I took a look at what was printed. Digging a bit further there are a couple of proposals, both of which involving a slight shift of I-275 south to accommodate the c/d roadway and the ramps to both I-75 and I-275.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 15, 2022, 10:29:17 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on May 14, 2022, 04:01:16 PM
Another topic; Maybe it's just me, but I keep having the feeling that FDOT 1 was originally intending to make the intersection of FL 548 and 539 in Lakeland into a folded diamond interchange.

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.0482311,-81.9640754,987m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en
It's just you.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 16, 2022, 11:19:22 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on May 14, 2022, 04:01:16 PM
Another topic; Maybe it's just me, but I keep having the feeling that FDOT 1 was originally intending to make the intersection of FL 548 and 539 in Lakeland into a folded diamond interchange.

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.0482311,-81.9640754,987m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en





That particular area is a social class neighborhood. I imagine building SR 548 was a major heart ache to accomplish.  Then to add ramps would make it more difficult. Plus the two dead ends you see is were the old SR 539 alignment before SR 548 once was.

In fact the current SR 539 displaced a church that once stood on the NW corner of 563 and 539 when SR 563 didn’t have the TOTSO like it has now.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 16, 2022, 01:17:20 PM
I see by Historic Aerials that they tore down the church you're talking about before 548 was extended, and 539 was realigned:
https://historicaerials.com/?layer=map&zoom=12&lat=28.041111&lon=-81.958889
They probably would've been better off adding "To FL 539"and "To I-4" signs at the intersection with 563 and leaving 539 to pass under 548.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 17, 2022, 08:26:36 PM
Yeah they should have but Orange County had the same issue with CR 527 andCentral Florida Parkway when CR 527 was realigned to cross the CSX on a new bridge. They severed Central Florida Parkway with the bridge incline and extended Zell Drive to meet Central Florida at another location.  All they needed was to build CR 527 over Central Florida as well.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on May 19, 2022, 05:42:07 PM
We were on westbound FL-46 out of Sanford this morning. Looks like FL-429 might be getting close to opening; it's already partially extended east from where it used to end. In the meantime, it's quite an interesting drive on what will now be a frontage road. There are roundabouts underneath the raised highway ("elevated" doesn't quite seem like the right description).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: edwaleni on May 23, 2022, 09:17:37 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 19, 2022, 05:42:07 PM
We were on westbound FL-46 out of Sanford this morning. Looks like FL-429 might be getting close to opening; it's already partially extended east from where it used to end. In the meantime, it's quite an interesting drive on what will now be a frontage road. There are roundabouts underneath the raised highway ("elevated" doesn't quite seem like the right description).

I drove down I-4 yesterday and there are still a bunch of temporary false work holding the beams up over the westbound lanes. Looks like they have been there awhile judging by the rust

Many of approaches are in place with a few still being tiled and filled. The elevation of that ramp on the eastbound side is still got away's to go, so that maybe the holdup.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on May 27, 2022, 02:36:27 PM
We are in Sanford waiting to board the Auto Train. You weren't kidding about a lot of work remaining at I-4's interchange with FL-417/Future 429. Looks like at least another year. Big mess.

We drove up from Broward County this morning and used the Turnpike to the new I-4 express lanes. Good route, breezed right thru Orlando, though I wish the speed limit were 65 or 70 instead of 60 (the I-595 express lanes, which we also used this morning, are posted at 70).

No real road activity for me on this trip other than using US-27 on the way south. My wife had a pretty serious medical emergency that pretty much put a crimp on a couple of days of our vacation. Thankfully, that is now in the past.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on May 31, 2022, 06:27:28 PM
Hopefully everyone is ok. Medical emergencies during Florida vacations are giving me flashbacks of last year.

What was the pricing like on the I-4 express lanes? I missed the opening by one day back in February!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 31, 2022, 11:44:28 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 23, 2022, 08:06:58 AM
US 90 ALT made more sense on its original alignment than now. 

I do miss the days when US 1 ALT concurred with it on both Baymeadows and the Arlington as it was neat to see the red and blue shields signed together back then.


In St. Augustine the removal of Business US 1 is something no one will miss, especially now with the historical area having a garage for pubic parking along US 1 mainline. No one needs to loop along King Street, Avenida Menedez, Castillo Drive, and San Marco Avenue to reach the various points and search for parking.

IMO extend SR 16 along San Marco to SR A1A so the part from the current east terminus to A1A could still be in the system to connect SR 16 to the Beach areas.

https://goo.gl/maps/rEuMFxKe6FBqvoEx6
This sign along US 1 sort of creates a de facto spur anyway to avoid the loop.

There was also an older version of US 1 ALT that went along SR 115 all the way to what is now The Avenues.  Anyone know why these ALT routes were changed to much?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on June 01, 2022, 12:59:49 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on May 31, 2022, 06:27:28 PM
Hopefully everyone is ok. Medical emergencies during Florida vacations are giving me flashbacks of last year.

What was the pricing like on the I-4 express lanes? I missed the opening by one day back in February!

She is fine now (in no small part due to the new prescriptions they gave her).

Regarding the I-4 express lanes, we went through right around noon last Friday, May 27. My E-ZPass statement shows that we passed through seven tolling points in the express lanes and that six of them charged us 50¢ each (the other one, Lake Ivanhoe at Milepost 84, posted a zero toll for whatever reason). So that's $3.00. I have no idea what the toll is at other times as this is the only time we've been on I-4 through Orlando in quite a few years now–I've normally avoided it in favor of either the eastern or western bypasses due to congestion and construction, but this time I was curious to try the express lanes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on June 02, 2022, 10:44:29 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 01, 2022, 12:59:49 PM
Regarding the I-4 express lanes, we went through right around noon last Friday, May 27. My E-ZPass statement shows that we passed through seven tolling points in the express lanes and that six of them charged us 50¢ each (the other one, Lake Ivanhoe at Milepost 84, posted a zero toll for whatever reason). So that's $3.00. I have no idea what the toll is at other times as this is the only time we've been on I-4 through Orlando in quite a few years now–I've normally avoided it in favor of either the eastern or western bypasses due to congestion and construction, but this time I was curious to try the express lanes.

We traveled on I-4 east on April 4, a Sunday, from St. Petersburg to Daytona Beach, mainly to experience Buc-ee's (been there, done that, don't need to do it again). The express lanes were open and available, but traffic through Orlando wasn't bad enough to warrant shifting from the free lanes. We had more traffic west of there, slow and bumper to bumper, starting around Marathon. This wasn't our first experience with heavy traffic on I-4; we avoid it as much as possible.

Bruce in Blacksburg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on June 02, 2022, 11:14:19 AM
Quote from: VPIGoose on June 02, 2022, 10:44:29 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 01, 2022, 12:59:49 PM
Regarding the I-4 express lanes, we went through right around noon last Friday, May 27. My E-ZPass statement shows that we passed through seven tolling points in the express lanes and that six of them charged us 50¢ each (the other one, Lake Ivanhoe at Milepost 84, posted a zero toll for whatever reason). So that's $3.00. I have no idea what the toll is at other times as this is the only time we've been on I-4 through Orlando in quite a few years now–I've normally avoided it in favor of either the eastern or western bypasses due to congestion and construction, but this time I was curious to try the express lanes.

We traveled on I-4 east on April 4, a Sunday, from St. Petersburg to Daytona Beach, mainly to experience Buc-ee's (been there, done that, don't need to do it again). The express lanes were open and available, but traffic through Orlando wasn't bad enough to warrant shifting from the free lanes. We had more traffic west of there, slow and bumper to bumper, starting around Marathon. This wasn't our first experience with heavy traffic on I-4; we avoid it as much as possible.

Bruce in Blacksburg


We could have taken the general-purpose lanes and likely wouldn't have experienced any significant delays. I just wanted to try out the express lanes to see how they were, and $3.00 is a relatively trivial amount in the scheme of things.

I hear you on avoiding I-4 generally, though. It's why we took US-27 on the way south to Fort Myers. From Sanford, we took FL-46 and FL-429 around the west side of Orlando and I merged onto I-4 without having necessarily decided which way to go. Traffic was moving but was heavy and unpleasant, it was just about lunchtime, and then the 30-ounce cold brew I consumed at Starbucks after we got off the train caught up with me, so we decided to stop to drain the coffee and have lunch. Just so happened we were at the US-27 interchange at the time. Ms1995hoo was grousing about the traffic on I-4, so I took the opportunity to suggest US-27. We both found it more relaxed than the all-Interstate route, though later on in the trip she started grousing about it feeling like we weren't getting anywhere (understandable, to some extent, when you don't know the road). If we use US-27 in the future, I might connect from FL-429 via US-192 to avoid I-4 altogether. Really all depends on where we're going on a given trip.

(Edited to add: I had considered trying the I-4 express lanes when we arrived, but because they end well prior to the Disney World area, I didn't think they'd help us all that much, and I preferred to take the bypass route to see how the construction progress was coming along as we hadn't been that way in a couple of years due to the pandemic.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kernals12 on June 18, 2022, 11:03:59 AM
Is Florida ever going to revolt against toll roads like Texas has?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: brad2971 on June 18, 2022, 11:43:45 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 18, 2022, 11:03:59 AM
Is Florida ever going to revolt against toll roads like Texas has?

Why would Florida revolt against something that someone else (tourists) largely pays? Especially since those toll roads provide Florida with an infrastructure for those same tourists quicker than if it relied upon the gas tax.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kernals12 on June 18, 2022, 11:52:29 AM
Quote from: brad2971 on June 18, 2022, 11:43:45 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 18, 2022, 11:03:59 AM
Is Florida ever going to revolt against toll roads like Texas has?

Why would Florida revolt against something that someone else (tourists) largely pays? Especially since those toll roads provide Florida with an infrastructure for those same tourists quicker than if it relied upon the gas tax.

A. Tourists pay gas taxes when they fill up their rental cars
B. Tolls encourage people to take surface streets, bringing their noise, pollution, and traffic into residential areas.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kevinb1994 on June 18, 2022, 01:46:05 PM
I will note that Jacksonville did get rid of their bridge tolls (in addition to getting rid of the toll booths on JTB) back in the day, but now we have toll lanes instead, and there is now a plan to drop those for widening I-95 south of downtown, both north and south of JTB/295. They were planning on coordinating the tolls with those on the First Coast Expressway (see next paragraph).

There is also the First Coast Expressway in the area. But for those living on opposite sides of the proposed bridge over the St. Johns, there will be no toll to cross (only for thru traffic coming from further out than the immediate interchanges on either side of the St. Johns).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on June 22, 2022, 06:17:14 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 18, 2022, 11:52:29 AM
Quote from: brad2971 on June 18, 2022, 11:43:45 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 18, 2022, 11:03:59 AM
Is Florida ever going to revolt against toll roads like Texas has?

Why would Florida revolt against something that someone else (tourists) largely pays? Especially since those toll roads provide Florida with an infrastructure for those same tourists quicker than if it relied upon the gas tax.

A. Tourists pay gas taxes when they fill up their rental cars
B. Tolls encourage people to take surface streets, bringing their noise, pollution, and traffic into residential areas.

Try that in Orlando. You won't get far creeping down Colonial Blvd (SR 50) to avoid the East-West. You won't get far creeping down US 192, John Young, Orange Blossom Trail or through the myriad cookie cutter developments trying to avoid the Beachline, Central Florida Greeneway or the Western Beltway.

It is what it is...people here will pay for it versus the alternative of sitting in traffic wondering why they didn't get a SunPass.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 24, 2022, 05:00:49 PM
Didn't we have a separate thread on the I-10/US 301 Interchange Rebuild in Baldwin?

Anyway, I'm starting to like this project a lot less.

First because the eastbound off-ramp from I-10 and the C-D road have two different entry points.

And second, because the south-to-east loop ramp is being replaced by a jughandle across the northbound lanes leading to the new north-to-eastbound on-ramp.

https://nflroads.com/ProjectDetails.aspx?p=5066

I predict a lot of jackknifing trucks on that jughandle in the future.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on June 25, 2022, 03:00:45 PM
The plans show the south-to-east loop ramp there, just part of a C-D roadway with the north-to-east ramp merging in. I find it embarrassing that this project is taking SEVEN years to build from start to finish though and in a state that can do year-round construction no less!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jaxrunner on June 27, 2022, 05:38:29 AM
Are there plans to widen I 10 between US 301 and the First Coast Expressway? I like how I 10 opens up once you get to mile marker 350 heading east. It would  be nice for the state modernize I 10.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 27, 2022, 08:14:51 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on June 25, 2022, 03:00:45 PM
The plans show the south-to-east loop ramp there, just part of a C-D roadway with the north-to-east ramp merging in. I find it embarrassing that this project is taking SEVEN years to build from start to finish though and in a state that can do year-round construction no less!

Not to mention the Baldwin Bypass started after this project commenced and is since long completed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on June 28, 2022, 12:39:03 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 27, 2022, 08:14:51 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on June 25, 2022, 03:00:45 PM
The plans show the south-to-east loop ramp there, just part of a C-D roadway with the north-to-east ramp merging in. I find it embarrassing that this project is taking SEVEN years to build from start to finish though and in a state that can do year-round construction no less!

Not to mention the Baldwin Bypass started after this project commenced and is since long completed.

Not that that was a speedy project either. It and the Starke bypass seemed to take a few years longer to complete than necessary. They all seem to be make-work projects (along with the I-95/I-295 construction) to keep people employed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on June 28, 2022, 04:31:00 PM
Actually my photos from 2018 for Starke showed then the beginning of that project which only opened in 2020.  So that was timely.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on July 09, 2022, 06:39:38 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on June 25, 2022, 03:00:45 PM
The plans show the south-to-east loop ramp there, just part of a C-D roadway with the north-to-east ramp merging in. I find it embarrassing that this project is taking SEVEN years to build from start to finish though and in a state that can do year-round construction no less!
Really? Because it looks more like they're showing the elimination of the south-to-east loop ramp.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on July 10, 2022, 01:04:39 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on July 09, 2022, 06:39:38 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on June 25, 2022, 03:00:45 PM
The plans show the south-to-east loop ramp there, just part of a C-D roadway with the north-to-east ramp merging in. I find it embarrassing that this project is taking SEVEN years to build from start to finish though and in a state that can do year-round construction no less!
Really? Because it looks more like they're showing the elimination of the south-to-east loop ramp.


https://nflroads.com/ProjectFiles/5066/4288565-1%20Project%20Aerial.pdf
Title: Florida State Road 28 established
Post by: Alex on August 01, 2022, 02:29:58 PM
Was loading the ArcGIS Map of Florida Roads just now and noticed that the northern extension of SR 589 along the Suncoast Parkway was finally added. That prompted me to pan around and I discovered State Road 28 along Philip Griffits, Sr. Parkway looping north from U.S. 98 (Panama City Beach Parkway) to SR 79 (Arnold Road) in north Panama City Beach. The route measures 3.423 miles in length and was inventoried in the FDOT SLD's in April:

https://fdotewp1.dot.state.fl.us/slogis/blank.aspx?docId=108720

No signage installed for it as of May 2022 per GSV at either end. Not surprising given that SR 777 is still unmarked in Charlotte County four years after being established.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on August 01, 2022, 03:18:35 PM
SR 807 is now denoted on the BGSs for Congress Avenue (exit 50) on I-95.

Technically, it's a county road at that point, but it's the thought that counts.
Title: Re: Florida State Road 28 established
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 01, 2022, 09:33:33 PM
Quote from: Alex on August 01, 2022, 02:29:58 PM
Was loading the ArcGIS Map of Florida Roads just now and noticed that the northern extension of SR 589 along the Suncoast Parkway was finally added. That prompted me to pan around and I discovered State Road 28 along Philip Griffits, Sr. Parkway looping north from U.S. 98 (Panama City Beach Parkway) to SR 79 (Arnold Road) in north Panama City Beach. The route measures 3.423 miles in length and was inventoried in the FDOT SLD's in April:

Interesting.  Keep me apprised if you ever find out it gets signage so I can add it to TM.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 13, 2022, 09:22:06 PM
Does everybody see this sign below on northbound US 1 in St. Augustine?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Bridge_of_Lions_Warning_Sign_on_NB_US_1.jpg/640px-Bridge_of_Lions_Warning_Sign_on_NB_US_1.jpg)

Do you know how long I've been trying to get an image of this sign on Wikimedia Commons? Now it's here. The only thing that would make it better is if the light was flashing.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Georgia Guardrail on August 20, 2022, 12:54:36 AM
Quick question regarding the West Palm Beach airport and I-95 interchange. 

Does anyone know or remember when the connecting flyovers from the airport (James Turnage Road) to I-95 were built?  My guess is early-mid 90s?

I think I remember there just being a parclo at Belvedere Road and I-95 when I was a kid.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: clef on August 21, 2022, 11:52:24 PM
Quote from: Georgia Guardrail on August 20, 2022, 12:54:36 AM
Quick question regarding the West Palm Beach airport and I-95 interchange. 

Does anyone know or remember when the connecting flyovers from the airport (James Turnage Road) to I-95 were built?  My guess is early-mid 90s?

I think I remember there just being a parclo at Belvedere Road and I-95 when I was a kid.

2004 (https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/2013/10/10/all-i-95-ramps-to/7845784007/)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 06, 2022, 05:39:48 PM
Well 9/23/2022 is the day cash tolls are no longer accepted on SR 570 in Polk County.  Toll collection ends on the 22nd and all personnel will serve their last day of employment.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: US 89 on September 06, 2022, 05:50:51 PM
Boooo. Not a fan of how common ETC-only is becoming down here. I may just have to find myself a Sunpass.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 06, 2022, 06:12:32 PM
It's the way of times.  PA, NY, and other places have rid cash payments years ago.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on September 06, 2022, 07:34:33 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 06, 2022, 06:12:32 PM
It's the way of times.  PA, NY, and other places have rid cash payments years ago.
*some agencies in
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 17, 2022, 12:01:35 AM
Hernando County wants to add a half-penny tax so they can pay for future county road and park improvements. Well, I went to their website, and I don't see any details on their planned projects.

https://hernandohalfcent.com/projects/





Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 24, 2022, 06:58:21 PM
Quote from: Alex on August 01, 2022, 02:29:58 PM
Was loading the ArcGIS Map of Florida Roads just now and noticed that the northern extension of SR 589 along the Suncoast Parkway was finally added. That prompted me to pan around and I discovered State Road 28 along Philip Griffits, Sr. Parkway looping north from U.S. 98 (Panama City Beach Parkway) to SR 79 (Arnold Road) in north Panama City Beach. The route measures 3.423 miles in length and was inventoried in the FDOT SLD's in April:

https://fdotewp1.dot.state.fl.us/slogis/blank.aspx?docId=108720

No signage installed for it as of May 2022 per GSV at either end. Not surprising given that SR 777 is still unmarked in Charlotte County four years after being established.

Just as SR 700 in Lakeland isn't marked either.  Both FDOT D-1 for these, so obviously they'll get around to it whenever the next paving project repaves both roads or another project.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on September 24, 2022, 11:19:51 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on September 17, 2022, 12:01:35 AM
Hernando County wants to add a half-penny tax so they can pay for future county road and park improvements. Well, I went to their website, and I don't see any details on their planned projects.

https://hernandohalfcent.com/projects/
A half-cent will add up pretty quickly with this inflation.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: wriddle082 on September 26, 2022, 09:10:30 PM
Have all toll facilities in the Tampa and Orlando areas suspended tolls for the hurricane?  I know most of the facilities are automated, but it would be conducive to evacuation encouragement to suspend the tolls.  Especially along the I-4 HOT lanes through Orlando.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 26, 2022, 09:39:46 PM
As far as I know yes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on September 26, 2022, 09:44:14 PM
Quote from: wriddle082 on September 26, 2022, 09:10:30 PM
Have all toll facilities in the Tampa and Orlando areas suspended tolls for the hurricane?  I know most of the facilities are automated, but it would be conducive to evacuation encouragement to suspend the tolls.  Especially along the I-4 HOT lanes through Orlando.


Yes, according to a source. When the governor declares a state-wide state of emergency, tolls are typically lifted for about a week.

https://www.fox13news.com/news/florida-suspends-tolls-including-in-bay-area-as-evacuation-orders-are-issued-ahead-of-ian

FDOT also says so. (https://www.fdot.gov/)

(https://fdotwww.blob.core.windows.net/sitefinity/images/default-source/communications-office/toll-suspension-map_9-26_v1.jpg)

This is what the VMSs looked before Hurricane Irma, in 2017:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/1926/45355363892_f66de47883_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2c6U6wC)


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on September 26, 2022, 10:11:36 PM
Per an FDOT Facebook post today, tolls are suspended for the Tampa Bay area, Polk Parkway, Alligator Alley, the Garcon Point Bridge and the Mid-Bay Connector.

The suspension does not include Orlando, Miami-Dade or the Turnpike mainline.

During Dorian and Irma all were suspended on the Peninsula. SR 414 west with tolls suspended for Hurricane Dorian:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/414/fl-414-w-exit-005-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on September 26, 2022, 11:22:43 PM
Let me guess the hordes of sheeple will plow their way through on I-75 and I-4.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on September 26, 2022, 11:45:02 PM
Quote from: Alex on September 26, 2022, 10:11:36 PM
Per an FDOT Facebook post today, tolls are suspended for the Tampa Bay area, Polk Parkway, Alligator Alley, the Garcon Point Bridge and the Mid-Bay Connector.

The suspension does not include Orlando, Miami-Dade or the Turnpike mainline.

During Dorian and Irma all were suspended on the Peninsula. SR 414 west with tolls suspended for Hurricane Dorian:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/414/fl-414-w-exit-005-3.jpg)
Man, I should go clinching today.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 27, 2022, 06:34:38 AM
^I was thinking something similar last night.  Great minds think alike.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on September 27, 2022, 05:01:38 PM
A lot of the cross state highways are showing miles long backups. FL-50 in various areas, FL-60 East at Yeehaw Junction, FL-70 East at US-27. Right now I-4 is solid red eastbound from I-75 to just past Polk Parkway West and again from Polk Parkway East all the way to FL-417
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on September 27, 2022, 05:15:00 PM
I'm curious to know whether they also blocked off the cash lanes at any toll plazas that still have them, or otherwise blocked off lanes to ensure that the number of lanes through the toll plaza would remain the same as the number of lanes on the highway to either side of the toll plaza. That is, I recall my brother was in Florida for business during a prior hurricane–I think Hurricane Charley or Hurricane Wilma–and he and some colleagues wound up renting an SUV and driving back to the DC area after all the flights out and Amtrak trains were cancelled. He said the worst chokepoints were at the toll plazas because even though the tolls were suspended, nothing was done to block off toll lanes, so people spread out, stupidly thinking it was a chance to get ahead, and used all the lanes and it immediately caused traffic to slam to a stop because of their inability to merge back into the thru lanes in any sort of rational manner.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 28, 2022, 07:44:48 AM
At Polk, the three mainline plazas went AET this past Friday. What they did was close all but two, the same amount of lanes in the plaza match the overall lanes of the freeway.

Considering that as a former collector that most do not even slow down for the plaza including large semis.  Most keep the peddle to the meddle as I've seen cars approach the plaza not breaking but maintaining a 70 mph speed the whole time.  Adding more lanes would increase a 72 mph car use the other lanes to micro pass the 70 mph guy in front him drastically.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 29, 2022, 08:13:31 AM
https://twitter.com/weatherbryan/status/1575437689452695552
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: zzcarp on September 29, 2022, 09:36:20 AM
Not good. Per this article (https://www.foxnews.com/us/hurricane-ian-sweeps-away-section-sanibel-causeway-cutting-off-all-vehicle-access), it seems the missing stretch is on the final bridge rise to Sanibel Island. It also says the Pine Island bridge has been damaged as well.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on September 29, 2022, 09:40:31 AM
Quote from: zzcarp on September 29, 2022, 09:36:20 AM
Not good. Per this article (https://www.foxnews.com/us/hurricane-ian-sweeps-away-section-sanibel-causeway-cutting-off-all-vehicle-access), it seems the missing stretch is on the final bridge rise to Sanibel Island. It also says the Pine Island bridge has been damaged as well.

When I see an article that repeatedly refers to "Fort Meyers" it makes me question the reporter's competence and the article's credibility....
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on September 29, 2022, 01:53:23 PM
Cross-posted from the Weather subforum thread about tracking tropical cyclones. This helicopter video has footage of the causeway.

https://twitter.com/SheriffLeeFL/status/1575529164899340289
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on September 30, 2022, 12:53:44 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 29, 2022, 08:13:31 AM
https://twitter.com/weatherbryan/status/1575437689452695552

Isn't this the bridge that the county took over from the state?  I bet they wish they hadn't now.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on September 30, 2022, 12:58:53 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on September 30, 2022, 12:53:44 AM

Isn't this the bridge that the county took over from the state?  I bet they wish they hadn't now.
Federal dollars are paying either way
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Rothman on September 30, 2022, 07:55:33 AM
Quote from: Alps on September 30, 2022, 12:58:53 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on September 30, 2022, 12:53:44 AM

Isn't this the bridge that the county took over from the state?  I bet they wish they hadn't now.
Federal dollars are paying either way
Federal dollars only come as a reimbursement.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: zzcarp on September 30, 2022, 09:52:34 AM
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2022, 07:55:33 AM
Quote from: Alps on September 30, 2022, 12:58:53 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on September 30, 2022, 12:53:44 AM

Isn't this the bridge that the county took over from the state?  I bet they wish they hadn't now.
Federal dollars are paying either way
Federal dollars only come as a reimbursement.

Well, it's a toll bridge, so in theory it's not as big of a burden on the county per se. Maybe the state will step in and help fund the repair in the interim if for some reason the county cannot. And, yes, I'm sure some FEMA bucks will reimburse at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Sani on October 04, 2022, 02:08:40 PM
Former Sanibel resident here, so I can speak to this a bit...

The storm basically washed out the approaches on all three spans (https://www.npr.org/2022/09/30/1126204141/sanibel-causeway-hurricane-ian) as well as the two man-made islands in the middle of the bay. The existing causeway opened in 2007 and replaced the original bridge, built in 1963. Per yesterday's update from the city, FDOT has contractors inspecting the bridge and looking at replacement options. I assume they're trying to determine whether there is any damage to the bridge structures that would require complete replacement, or if rebuilding the approaches and islands would be sufficient.

U.S. Rep. Byron Donalds was at the meeting and said FDOT and the feds have already agreed to fund the reconstruction or replacement. He promised the reconstruction would go quickly with minimal red tape. I don't know if it's feasible to just pull out the plans from 20 years ago and build it again, or if other changes will be required. I would assume they will want any replacement structure to be engineered to withstand another storm surge like this, since the causeway was supposed to be engineered to withstand exactly this sort of event.

The city/county/state are also looking into temporary ferry service options. The city has a contract with a barge company to bring heavy equipment and city vehicles over to the island, but obviously there are thousands of totaled cars on the island that will need to be removed, and no rebuilding can take place until there's a way to get all the materials and equipment to the island every day.

They raised the toll from $3 to $6 to fund the 2007 replacement, and I see now that they've added a $3 "administrative fee" for toll-by-plate without any option to pay cash. I would like to think they won't raise it any further once it reopens, especially if the feds are paying for much of it, but I guess we'll see. Once it reopens, please come visit our beautiful island again. Just make sure you have a SunPass.  :)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on October 04, 2022, 02:24:36 PM
Quote from: Sani on October 04, 2022, 02:08:40 PM
.... Just make sure you have a SunPass.  :)

E-ZPass is now accepted as well!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Sani on October 04, 2022, 04:39:51 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 04, 2022, 02:24:36 PM
Quote from: Sani on October 04, 2022, 02:08:40 PM
.... Just make sure you have a SunPass.  :)

E-ZPass is now accepted as well!
Guess I'd better stay up here in Kansas until my K-TAG is added to the list. Maybe by 2030 or so, if we're lucky?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: US 89 on October 04, 2022, 07:46:53 PM
Due to the proliferation of all-electronic-toll roads down here and the fact that I do not technically own my car (it is in my parents' names) I am for the first time seriously considering getting a SunPass. I have never lived anywhere with a substantial amount of toll roads, much less cashless ones, so this whole thing is a bit new to me.

No real rush given there aren't any big toll roads in the immediate vicinity, but I'd like to be able to clinch/drive more around the state without having the awkward conversation with my parents about why they keep getting toll-by-plate bills from random roads across Florida in the mail.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 04, 2022, 08:19:23 PM
QuoteNo real rush given there aren't any big toll roads in the immediate vicinity, but I'd like to be able to clinch/drive more around the state without having the awkward conversation with my parents about why they keep getting toll-by-plate bills from random roads across Florida in the mail.

Yeah, that kept me from clinching the Triangle Expressway portion of NC 147 (now NC 885) and NC 540 in the summer of 2013 when I had my NCDOT internship because I had not gotten my EZPASS yet.  The former was not clinched until late 2020, and then the latter in late 2021.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: JoePCool14 on October 05, 2022, 02:56:10 PM
Quote from: US 89 on October 04, 2022, 07:46:53 PM
Due to the proliferation of all-electronic-toll roads down here and the fact that I do not technically own my car (it is in my parents' names) I am for the first time seriously considering getting a SunPass. I have never lived anywhere with a substantial amount of toll roads, much less cashless ones, so this whole thing is a bit new to me.

No real rush given there aren't any big toll roads in the immediate vicinity, but I'd like to be able to clinch/drive more around the state without having the awkward conversation with my parents about why they keep getting toll-by-plate bills from random roads across Florida in the mail.

Heh, I feel the same way. I live near Chicago and I was clinching roads out west by Rockford (a decent distance away) and I needed to use the I-90 tollway but knew that registering a toll that far away would look ridiculous. I'm going to get my own I-PASS soon though, since I have to use it daily for work. Right now, I have a transponder on my parents' account so we are at least getting the reduced rate.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Plutonic Panda on October 05, 2022, 09:38:36 PM
Looks like a new 7 mile bridge will be built in the keys: https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/new-seven-mile-bridge-in-the-works-for-florida-keys/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on October 05, 2022, 10:42:24 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 05, 2022, 09:38:36 PM
Looks like a new 7 mile bridge will be built in the keys: https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/new-seven-mile-bridge-in-the-works-for-florida-keys/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab
as long as they keep the old one
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Plutonic Panda on October 05, 2022, 11:09:18 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 05, 2022, 10:42:24 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 05, 2022, 09:38:36 PM
Looks like a new 7 mile bridge will be built in the keys: https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/new-seven-mile-bridge-in-the-works-for-florida-keys/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab
as long as they keep the old one
I've never been to the Keys(yet). How is the traffic congestion along the bridges?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on October 06, 2022, 12:13:51 AM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 05, 2022, 11:09:18 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 05, 2022, 10:42:24 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 05, 2022, 09:38:36 PM
Looks like a new 7 mile bridge will be built in the keys: https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/new-seven-mile-bridge-in-the-works-for-florida-keys/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab
as long as they keep the old one
I've never been to the Keys(yet). How is the traffic congestion along the bridges?
The entire length should be 4 lanes. You get stuck behind one elderly couple driving an overloaded RV and the 5-mile long train of vehicles does 35 mph the whole way down and back. But I meant the "old one" as in the part you can walk on (for $)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Dirt Roads on October 06, 2022, 12:06:10 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 05, 2022, 09:38:36 PM
Looks like a new 7 mile bridge will be built in the keys: https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/new-seven-mile-bridge-in-the-works-for-florida-keys/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab

Quote from: Alps on October 05, 2022, 10:42:24 PM
as long as they keep the old one

If I read it correctly, the article indicated that the current Seven-Mile Bridge will be removed.  Not sure how building a new new non-redundant structure will give Key West residents any assurance that they the bridge will survive a huge storm.  On the other hand, In my world I am supposed to look at "single-point failures".  One big rogue wave could take out the same section of both the old bridge and the new one. 

By the way, the old Seven-Bridge is still there, but missing two sections.  A lot of the old sections are barely hanging on.  But the east end got a fairly recent upgrade, after problems caused the folks with beach houses on Pigeon Island to have to walk for a while.  That section is only open to golf carts and ATVs (probably for homeowners only).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on October 06, 2022, 09:38:18 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on October 06, 2022, 12:06:10 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 05, 2022, 09:38:36 PM
Looks like a new 7 mile bridge will be built in the keys: https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/new-seven-mile-bridge-in-the-works-for-florida-keys/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab

Quote from: Alps on October 05, 2022, 10:42:24 PM
as long as they keep the old one

If I read it correctly, the article indicated that the current Seven-Mile Bridge will be removed.  Not sure how building a new new non-redundant structure will give Key West residents any assurance that they the bridge will survive a huge storm.  On the other hand, In my world I am supposed to look at "single-point failures".  One big rogue wave could take out the same section of both the old bridge and the new one. 

By the way, the old Seven-Bridge is still there, but missing two sections.  A lot of the old sections are barely hanging on.  But the east end got a fairly recent upgrade, after problems caused the folks with beach houses on Pigeon Island to have to walk for a while.  That section is only open to golf carts and ATVs (probably for homeowners only).
It's the north end that was open to the public, which probably equals the east end. You can park there for a few dollars to walk it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on October 06, 2022, 09:53:46 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 06, 2022, 12:13:51 AM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 05, 2022, 11:09:18 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 05, 2022, 10:42:24 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 05, 2022, 09:38:36 PM
Looks like a new 7 mile bridge will be built in the keys: https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/new-seven-mile-bridge-in-the-works-for-florida-keys/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab
as long as they keep the old one
I've never been to the Keys(yet). How is the traffic congestion along the bridges?
The entire length should be 4 lanes. You get stuck behind one elderly couple driving an overloaded RV and the 5-mile long train of vehicles does 35 mph the whole way down and back. But I meant the "old one" as in the part you can walk on (for $)

I don't get in a hurry when I go to the Keys so I don't let the traffic bother me.  However, I will decide to take either Card Sound Rd/CR 905A/CR 905 or US 1 (SR 5) to Key Largo depending on the traffic.  US 1 is safer; however, as the lanes are wider and there are flyover ramps that avoid a couple of old resorts.

If traffic gets backed up I find something to do and pull off.  There are myriad of unique shops and some parks along the way.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 12, 2022, 03:15:36 AM
Crazy how fast they've gotten temporary repairs done for the Sanibel Causeway.  They just had a Electrical Convoy crew cross it today (10/11)!  Should have it reopened to residents to use the bridge again by 10/21.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usqItLbKTHI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVx9x49EFNc
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 12, 2022, 08:07:27 AM
By temporary it really is just that.  Basically the entire interim repairs are just piled landfill closing the gaps in the bridge.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: zzcarp on October 12, 2022, 09:26:19 AM
It's great that they got the temporary repairs done so quickly. I just wish the video reports showed some of the fixes versus showing parts of the roadway that were mostly undamaged.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 13, 2022, 02:49:00 AM
Quote from: zzcarp on October 12, 2022, 09:26:19 AM
It's great that they got the temporary repairs done so quickly. I just wish the video reports showed some of the fixes versus showing parts of the roadway that were mostly undamaged.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQrdPI5OOf8
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: zzcarp on October 14, 2022, 01:59:31 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 13, 2022, 02:49:00 AM
Quote from: zzcarp on October 12, 2022, 09:26:19 AM
It's great that they got the temporary repairs done so quickly. I just wish the video reports showed some of the fixes versus showing parts of the roadway that were mostly undamaged.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQrdPI5OOf8

Wow! Thank you for sharing.

The striking thing for me was the uniform cross-section with sideslopes on the over-water connection from the barrier island to the bridge. Good work by the earthwork crew and the surveyors.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on October 14, 2022, 08:06:21 AM
Is there a way to view the cameras on the Astor Bridge on SR 40 (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1672967,-81.5234161,3a,75y,67.33h,81.91t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1siC5-w1xJ-3Lk6RoN5xA8Yw!2e0!5s20220601T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en)? I want to see how bad the flooding is on the St. Johns River, but I can't find the link.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jaxrunner on October 18, 2022, 06:14:16 PM
The other day I had the displeasure of traveling south bound on I 75 through the Ocala area. Despite this being a Sunday afternoon the traffic was stop and go from Micanopy down to Wildwood. I remember the Highway being 6 lanes since I first traveled on it in the 1990's and now it seems to be at capacity. I'm sure this is a problem throughout the state as FL continues to add thousands of new residents every week. Since there is huge opposition to building new roads it seems the only solution is to widen I 75 which will be a long multiyear process. I'm sure the state would love to add Toll Lanes, and that might be a solution. Has anyone heard of any plans to address I 75?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: pianocello on October 18, 2022, 07:43:37 PM
Quote from: Jaxrunner on October 18, 2022, 06:14:16 PM
The other day I had the displeasure of traveling south bound on I 75 through the Ocala area. Despite this being a Sunday afternoon the traffic was stop and go from Micanopy down to Wildwood. I remember the Highway being 6 lanes since I first traveled on it in the 1990's and now it seems to be at capacity. I'm sure this is a problem throughout the state as FL continues to add thousands of new residents every week. Since there is huge opposition to building new roads it seems the only solution is to widen I 75 which will be a long multiyear process. I'm sure the state would love to add Toll Lanes, and that might be a solution. Has anyone heard of any plans to address I 75?

Ah, yes. Southbound on Sundays always has a ton of traffic, I don't miss it when I lived in Orlando and visited my wife in Gainesville. I got a lot of mileage out of SR 326, 40, and 19 that year.

There's a master plan to address that part of I-75, but it looks like it's in the early early early stages. This is on FDOT District 5's website (their jurisdiction ends at the county line between Ocala and Gainesville): https://www.cflroads.com/project/443624-1

I couldn't find anything from District 2, but I thought I had in the past. I would expect this master plan to continue into D2 and end either in Gainesville or Lake City.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on October 22, 2022, 09:46:18 AM
Quote from: Jaxrunner on October 18, 2022, 06:14:16 PM
The other day I had the displeasure of traveling south bound on I 75 through the Ocala area. Despite this being a Sunday afternoon the traffic was stop and go from Micanopy down to Wildwood. I remember the Highway being 6 lanes since I first traveled on it in the 1990's and now it seems to be at capacity. I'm sure this is a problem throughout the state as FL continues to add thousands of new residents every week. Since there is huge opposition to building new roads it seems the only solution is to widen I 75 which will be a long multiyear process. I'm sure the state would love to add Toll Lanes, and that might be a solution. Has anyone heard of any plans to address I 75?

I saw the red and blood red for I-75 on Google Maps from Micanopy south to Ocala and orange at Wildwood on October 16 when we were headed back to Tampa from Middleburg. Traffic congestion is now routine through Ocala and especially at the Turnpike north end. I opted to avoid all of it that day, staying way to the east on SR 21, then shifting over to CR 21 and CR 315. Ended up bypassing Ocala via SR 40 and SR 35 to Belleview. CR 475 then to SR 44, which crosses over I-75 by CR 466:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/475/cr-475-s-at-i-075-3.jpg)

Traffic was still sluggish southbound at that point. I-75 was fine south beyond the Turnpike.

I also avoided I-75 north from Wildwood to Ocala on my way north the previous day, as traffic congestion was again an issue. With no alternate routes and the influx of population plus nonstop suburban development, I-75 is just going to get worse. MCORs failed and that was aimed to build a couple of new toll road corridors to shift some traffic off I-75. But anti-road NIMBYism has the loudest voices here.

And wait until the new DDI with a planned Buc-ee's a nearby opens on the north side of Ocala, and see traffic congestion further increase.
https://www.cflroads.com/project/435209-1/I-75_at_NW_49_St_Project_Development_and_Environment_PD_E_Study
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on October 22, 2022, 10:10:21 AM
Does everybody remember my advocacy for an I-975 between Ocala and Jacksonville? I'm starting to believe that'd be a better idea now more than ever, but I don't think it would solve everything. One thing I noticed about the exits directly in Ocala is that they're too close to one another. Not New York close, but still merely two miles apart. A pair of separate local and express lanes might be ideal in the city, but somehow I don't think anyone would go for that.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: pianocello on October 22, 2022, 05:28:03 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on October 22, 2022, 10:10:21 AM
Does everybody remember my advocacy for an I-975 between Ocala and Jacksonville? I'm starting to believe that'd be a better idea now more than ever, but I don't think it would solve everything. One thing I noticed about the exits directly in Ocala is that they're too close to one another. Not New York close, but still merely two miles apart. A pair of separate local and express lanes might be ideal in the city, but somehow I don't think anyone would go for that.

The Ocala interchanges don't even have auxiliary lanes between one another! I don't think that would solve the problems entirely, but it would definitely alleviate some of the issues in the area.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jaxrunner on October 22, 2022, 11:15:26 PM
From what I read the State is building another interchange in Ocala so that is going to bring more traffic on the highway. I 75 needs to be modernized and treated as an urban freeway through this area. Ocala is one of the fasted growing areas in FL, in addition more developement near I 75.

I like the idea of a freeway between Ocala and Jacksonville but with FL's relucance to build new highways probably won't happen. Still a good connector between US 301 and I 75 is needed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on October 23, 2022, 01:48:20 AM
I just looked at that area where they want to build the interchange. They've got some construction machinery dealers, a horse trailer dealer and a place to store your boats and RVs.
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.2352288,-82.1902156,975m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en
If they can get through the limerock mine, maybe they can connect 49th Street to 35th Street Road.  Somehow I've got the feeling that's what they want besides the Buc-ees.

Quote from: Alex on October 22, 2022, 09:46:18 AM
I saw the red and blood red for I-75 on Google Maps from Micanopy south to Ocala and orange at Wildwood on October 16 when we were headed back to Tampa from Middleburg. Traffic congestion is now routine through Ocala and especially at the Turnpike north end. I opted to avoid all of it that day, staying way to the east on SR 21, then shifting over to CR 21 and CR 315. Ended up bypassing Ocala via SR 40 and SR 35 to Belleview. CR 475 then to SR 44, which crosses over I-75 by CR 466:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/475/cr-475-s-at-i-075-3.jpg)

Traffic was still sluggish southbound at that point. I-75 was fine south beyond the Turnpike.
Normally when I drive up north, I don't go on roads like these unless I want pictures of something on these roads, with the exception of SR 40. Your ordeal, and the photographic evidence has made me reconsider my next journey.  When I drove to Folkston, Georgia back in March, I took I-75 all the way to SR 26 in Gainesville. That was because I wanted pictures of the rest areas near Paynes Prairie Preserve State Park, SR 26A, SR 121. parts of Lake Butler, and the Baldwin Bypass, among other sites.  I still want to go to Folkston soon, and back home to the New York Tri-State Area someday, but it may be time for another way to get there. And no, I'm not going straight out to I-95.



 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on November 01, 2022, 11:32:35 PM
Florida is especially bad on I-4 between US 27 and US 192, now with Northeast Polk and Northwest Osceola building a lot of single family homes to occupy all the land between US 27 and US 17-92 in the Davenport area along with the US 192 corridor is making that area one of the most densely populated regions in the US. So more people and, of course more cars using roads not built for the traffic counts it currently has.

Most of all no alternates as Old Lake Wilson Road is a parking lot as the signal at CR 532 and two lanes causes long signal queues.  Then US 17 & 92 is congested and forget about US 27.  Plus Deen Still Road is no longer that quick back road coming in from the west anymore as the signal at US 27 cause a three to four light delay and a one mile queue into it.  I remember Deen Still was a great bypass of I-4 between Lakeland and Disney Area, but all roads are impassable in NE Polk and NW Osceola now during peak travel times.

Plus weekends are just as bad as weekdays as at one time even in New York traffic would simmer down when people were off from work and would work around the house or relax in front of the TV watching sports or spending a day with family.  Now there are no Saturdays and Sundays noticeably different from Monday through Fridays as shift work prevails.  No home time for some anymore and too many joyriding in their cars is an activity to conquer boredom is another reason for more traffic.  Plus our culture change in the last several decades is effecting our driving habits thus creating these traffic hotspots.

Then, of course, no proactive planning as we just worry about things later.  And if we get a good freeway proposal, the NIMBYs stop it before it even gets off the ground.   Florida is going to someday have more people per square mile than any other state except New Jersey at the rate their building.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: pianocello on November 03, 2022, 07:26:56 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 01, 2022, 11:32:35 PM
Florida is going to someday have more people per square mile than any other state except New Jersey at the rate their building.

That's a bold statement. The population density would need to increase by more than 2.5 times to surpass Rhode Island (2nd in population density as of 2020), and that ain't gonna happen with only single-family housing. On top of that, some parts of the Nature Coast are pretty barren and there's over 2 million acres of the Everglades that are either protected or otherwise uninhabitable.

I agree with the rest; developers, cities and counties are really shooting themselves in the foot by adding all this housing with little roadway connectivity. I-4 between US 27 and SR 429 is a nightmare and it's only getting worse.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on November 03, 2022, 07:57:22 PM
Quote from: pianocello on November 03, 2022, 07:26:56 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 01, 2022, 11:32:35 PM
Florida is going to someday have more people per square mile than any other state except New Jersey at the rate their building.

That's a bold statement. The population density would need to increase by more than 2.5 times to surpass Rhode Island (2nd in population density as of 2020), and that ain't gonna happen with only single-family housing. On top of that, some parts of the Nature Coast are pretty barren and there's over 2 million acres of the Everglades that are either protected or otherwise uninhabitable.

I agree with the rest; developers, cities and counties are really shooting themselves in the foot by adding all this housing with little roadway connectivity. I-4 between US 27 and SR 429 is a nightmare and it's only getting worse.

Well, its never going to get resolved at all as it seems to be an ongoing thing, for people to want to leave the cold and move to sunny Florida.   Plus, you had a person in high power, not see what development has done to other states, whom traveled through other states to promote Florida as a place for developers to develop and other people a chance to start new from overcrowding in their own states.

Though they are moving from one overcrowding to another,  nobody will care as if you are from Long Island and come to Central Florida, you have the same conditions with roads there as you do in Florida, so its the same except for the lack of snow and palm trees here and none in New York.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on November 07, 2022, 11:08:52 AM
Quote from: pianocello on November 03, 2022, 07:26:56 PM
I agree with the rest; developers, cities and counties are really shooting themselves in the foot by adding all this housing with little roadway connectivity. I-4 between US 27 and SR 429 is a nightmare and it's only getting worse.

When our son and daughter-in-law moved to Florida for her residency in 2015, they bought a house in Waterset in Apollo Beach (smart move, they came out ahead when they sold it 5 years later). In that span of time, Waterset expanded almost exponentially to the south. Other developments on both sides of I-75 added more and more vehicles to the already inadequate Big Bend Road exit on I-75, backing up traffic for quite a distance on the interstate in the afternoons when people were coming home from work. Paseo Al Mar Blvd. was eventually pushed through to U.S. 41 opposite Apollo Beach Blvd., providing an alternative exit from Waterset. It was also promised that there would be a new exit built on I-75 (this road does now cross the highway and extends to U.S. 301) but that hasn't happened yet. The kids were more than happy to leave that experience behind (short move to Baton Rouge, they are now back and live in St. Petersburg). But that is the perfect example of development without thoughts of adequate roadways.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on November 15, 2022, 12:20:40 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 01, 2022, 11:32:35 PM
Florida is especially bad on I-4 between US 27 and US 192, now with Northeast Polk and Northwest Osceola building a lot of single family homes to occupy all the land between US 27 and US 17-92 in the Davenport area along with the US 192 corridor is making that area one of the most densely populated regions in the US. So more people and, of course more cars using roads not built for the traffic counts it currently has.
I'm surprised developers aren't trying to revive Orlampa. For those who don't know, that's a failed community that was supposed to be built near the Fantasy of Flight Museum near Polk City. Even without that development, Exit 44 could use some work on that interchange, especially traffic signals with FL 559 at the westbound off and on ramps.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on November 15, 2022, 01:03:56 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 01, 2022, 11:32:35 PM
Florida is especially bad on I-4 between US 27 and US 192, now with Northeast Polk and Northwest Osceola building a lot of single family homes to occupy all the land between US 27 and US 17-92 in the Davenport area along with the US 192 corridor is making that area one of the most densely populated regions in the US. So more people and, of course more cars using roads not built for the traffic counts it currently has.

Most of all no alternates as Old Lake Wilson Road is a parking lot as the signal at CR 532 and two lanes causes long signal queues.  Then US 17 & 92 is congested and forget about US 27.  Plus Deen Still Road is no longer that quick back road coming in from the west anymore as the signal at US 27 cause a three to four light delay and a one mile queue into it.  I remember Deen Still was a great bypass of I-4 between Lakeland and Disney Area, but all roads are impassable in NE Polk and NW Osceola now during peak travel times.

Plus weekends are just as bad as weekdays as at one time even in New York traffic would simmer down when people were off from work and would work around the house or relax in front of the TV watching sports or spending a day with family.  Now there are no Saturdays and Sundays noticeably different from Monday through Fridays as shift work prevails.  No home time for some anymore and too many joyriding in their cars is an activity to conquer boredom is another reason for more traffic.  Plus our culture change in the last several decades is effecting our driving habits thus creating these traffic hotspots.

Then, of course, no proactive planning as we just worry about things later.  And if we get a good freeway proposal, the NIMBYs stop it before it even gets off the ground.   Florida is going to someday have more people per square mile than any other state except New Jersey at the rate their building.

I have often wondered why Deen Still Road doesn't have a county route marker of some kind. I thought it may have been to keep people from using it has an alternate route of I-4.  I used it as an alternate.  My timing must have been better than your timing I guess.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 15, 2022, 07:59:54 AM
Dean Still Road would make for a perfect extension of County Road 54 along with eastern Rockridge Road.  I used to use Dean Still quite a bit as the middle ground to I-4 and FL 50 when I was heading to Brooksville but wanted a more quiet drive. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on November 15, 2022, 08:49:36 AM
The problem with Deen  Still is the signal at US 27 queues cars and semis over a mile thanks to logistic centers and warehouses at the Deen Still/ US 27 intersection.

It's no longer the back road it once was thanks to the GPS and Z Radio 88 who now expose that hidden treasure for all to use when a problem happens on I-4.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on November 15, 2022, 08:31:42 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 15, 2022, 08:49:36 AM
The problem with Deen  Still is the signal at US 27 queues cars and semis over a mile thanks to logistic centers and warehouses at the Deen Still/ US 27 intersection.

It's no longer the back road it once was thanks to the GPS and Z Radio 88 who now expose that hidden treasure for all to use when a problem happens on I-4.

Thanks to GPS and Waze/Google Maps traffic Deen Still Road gets a lot more use nowadays due to the regular traffic congestion on I-4 from ahead of US 27 east to CR 532 at Championsgate. The traffic is taking a toll on the pavement on Deen Still Road as a result with numerous potholes in both directions. My wife hit a deep one on Saturday that ultimately led to a flat front right tire with a bent rim. Fortunately we were able to get to a parking lot beyond Deen Still Road to change the tire.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on November 21, 2022, 03:52:40 PM
Does the mileage on this sign seem accurate to anyone else here, or not?
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.6826641,-81.6724269,3a,75y,179.85h,93.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfJsBI5E93UJbxlVXMSlMDA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: amroad17 on November 21, 2022, 10:58:14 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on November 21, 2022, 03:52:40 PM
Does the mileage on this sign seem accurate to anyone else here, or not?
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.6826641,-81.6724269,3a,75y,179.85h,93.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfJsBI5E93UJbxlVXMSlMDA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
The numbers are close--maybe adding 1 to each of them would make the sign more accurate.  It is something I would not change if I was the DOT.

I took a look at an April 2011 image and saw that FL 200/A1A was listed at 5 and Jacksonville was listed at 23.  There was no mention of I-295 BELTWAY as it was not yet signed nor completed then.  The current sign was posted sometime between April 2011 and June 2015.

So, that sign is somewhat accurate, i.e. close.  At least it is not off like some of the Ohio and Kentucky mileage signs in some places, some of which are 5 miles off.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 07, 2022, 10:02:41 PM
Does anyone know if the grading visible near Wakulla Beach (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.1028526,-84.2753517,2882m/data=!3m1!1e3) was for the original Gulf Coast Highway plan? It roughly matches what's shown on the 1946 county map (https://catalog.archives.gov/id/12007980), and was present by 1952 per aerials (https://original-ufdc.uflib.ufl.edu/UF00071765/00005/129x).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Stephane Dumas on December 08, 2022, 06:09:40 PM
There's some GSV shots taken in August 2022 showing the progress of the construction of the flyover ramps linking US-19 with the Gateway expressway as well as the Gateway Expwy itself on Sept 2022.
https://goo.gl/maps/RKbLZXCj6sq5p6Qi9
https://goo.gl/maps/SQZ7QWz4Po8KwvdG7
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on December 08, 2022, 07:51:41 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 07, 2022, 10:02:41 PM
Does anyone know if the grading visible near Wakulla Beach (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.1028526,-84.2753517,2882m/data=!3m1!1e3) was for the original Gulf Coast Highway plan? It roughly matches what's shown on the 1946 county map (https://catalog.archives.gov/id/12007980), and was present by 1952 per aerials (https://original-ufdc.uflib.ufl.edu/UF00071765/00005/129x).

I would have guessed it was a former or an unused railroad grade.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 08, 2022, 09:50:56 PM
Quote from: formulanone on December 08, 2022, 07:51:41 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 07, 2022, 10:02:41 PM
Does anyone know if the grading visible near Wakulla Beach (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.1028526,-84.2753517,2882m/data=!3m1!1e3) was for the original Gulf Coast Highway plan? It roughly matches what's shown on the 1946 county map (https://catalog.archives.gov/id/12007980), and was present by 1952 per aerials (https://original-ufdc.uflib.ufl.edu/UF00071765/00005/129x).

I would have guessed it was a former or an unused railroad grade.
The width and parallel drainage channels visible in 1952 look like overkill for a minor (probably logging) railroad.

Never mind; it was neither. Apparently the CCC started building a dam to create a waterfowl refuge pond.
Quote from: https://www.fws.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Saint_Marks_CCP.pdfIn addition to impoundments on the St. Marks Unit, the Civilian Conservation Corps began, but never completed, a large impoundment on the Wakulla Unit at West Goose Creek between Wakulla Beach Road and Live Oak Island Road. In 1942, World War II halted all construction on the refuge.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on December 09, 2022, 06:27:36 AM
Quote from: NE2 on December 08, 2022, 09:50:56 PM
Quote from: formulanone on December 08, 2022, 07:51:41 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 07, 2022, 10:02:41 PM
Does anyone know if the grading visible near Wakulla Beach (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.1028526,-84.2753517,2882m/data=!3m1!1e3) was for the original Gulf Coast Highway plan? It roughly matches what's shown on the 1946 county map (https://catalog.archives.gov/id/12007980), and was present by 1952 per aerials (https://original-ufdc.uflib.ufl.edu/UF00071765/00005/129x).

I would have guessed it was a former or an unused railroad grade.
The width and parallel drainage channels visible in 1952 look like overkill for a minor (probably logging) railroad.

Never mind; it was neither. Apparently the CCC started building a dam to create a waterfowl refuge pond.
Quote from: https://www.fws.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Saint_Marks_CCP.pdfIn addition to impoundments on the St. Marks Unit, the Civilian Conservation Corps began, but never completed, a large impoundment on the Wakulla Unit at West Goose Creek between Wakulla Beach Road and Live Oak Island Road. In 1942, World War II halted all construction on the refuge.

Good find and great point; the logging railroad grades are usually a lot more narrow, but I figured they're also much further inland.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 10, 2022, 01:34:59 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on December 08, 2022, 06:09:40 PM
There's some GSV shots taken in August 2022 showing the progress of the construction of the flyover ramps linking US-19 with the Gateway expressway as well as the Gateway Expwy itself on Sept 2022.
https://goo.gl/maps/RKbLZXCj6sq5p6Qi9
https://goo.gl/maps/SQZ7QWz4Po8KwvdG7
There's also a GSV shot taken in November 2022 showing the progress at Pinellas CR 611.
https://www.google.com/maps/@27.8789029,-82.7002095,3a,75y,343.89h,73.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPd4FWABWWHhxCE3JeyMnVA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 13, 2022, 06:58:18 PM
I finally scanned my copy of the 1945 log and subsequent changes: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wsn20pnohhqtw5z/AAA9GgGSXsU_3Q_KEIX3PwpVa?dl=0
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Georgia Guardrail on December 16, 2022, 07:58:13 PM
Does anyone know where the original pre-Alligator Alley terminus for I-75 was located back in the 80s?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 17, 2022, 05:12:28 PM
The West End was at the current dead end frontage road ( Beck Blvd). 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Naples,+FL/@26.1553985,-81.6688349,16.6z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x88dae19b73c2d7ad:0x673f5318d72c9aaa!8m2!3d26.1420358!4d-81.7948103

https://goo.gl/maps/nMumi2q1CDtoxGnGA


East end at a four way intersection with US 27 in Andytown replaced by an interchange.  SR 84 continued along a free road into Fort Laudedale as a two to four lane highway before I-75/ and I-595 were constructed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Georgia Guardrail on December 17, 2022, 05:40:29 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 17, 2022, 05:12:28 PM
The West End was at the current dead end frontage road ( Beck Blvd). 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Naples,+FL/@26.1553985,-81.6688349,16.6z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x88dae19b73c2d7ad:0x673f5318d72c9aaa!8m2!3d26.1420358!4d-81.7948103

https://goo.gl/maps/nMumi2q1CDtoxGnGA


East end at a four way intersection with US 27 in Andytown replaced by an interchange.  SR 84 continued along a free road into Fort Laudedale as a two to four lane highway before I-75/ and I-595 were constructed.


Thanks for the insight!  I've always wondered where the original south terminus points of I-75 were.  Were there originally plans to connect I-75 to I-95 in Miami?  I think I may have heard that somewhere on this forum.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on December 18, 2022, 10:08:41 AM
Quote from: Georgia Guardrail on December 17, 2022, 05:40:29 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 17, 2022, 05:12:28 PM
The West End was at the current dead end frontage road ( Beck Blvd). 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Naples,+FL/@26.1553985,-81.6688349,16.6z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x88dae19b73c2d7ad:0x673f5318d72c9aaa!8m2!3d26.1420358!4d-81.7948103

https://goo.gl/maps/nMumi2q1CDtoxGnGA


East end at a four way intersection with US 27 in Andytown replaced by an interchange.  SR 84 continued along a free road into Fort Laudedale as a two to four lane highway before I-75/ and I-595 were constructed.


Thanks for the insight!  I've always wondered where the original south terminus points of I-75 were.  Were there originally plans to connect I-75 to I-95 in Miami?  I think I may have heard that somewhere on this forum.

My understanding is that the Gratigny Parkway (FL 924) was to be the connection between I-75 and I-95 (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/25.898054,-80.33408/25.8837396,-80.2094976/@25.8929553,-80.307098,12.56z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0), but would have displaced a lot of people, and thus faced local opposition. In light of that, ending it at the Palmetto Expressway (FL 826) makes sense, as it was already limited-access, but it irritates many roadgeeks.

Having lived down there, and not knowing the backstory, I just always figured its current terminus just made the most sense and that's how it always planned; I-95's development came about well before I-75 even approached South Florida. To everyone else, it looks like a mistake. Even if you "shouldn't" have two odd-numbered routes ending at each other.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 19, 2022, 02:42:07 PM
I know the right of way was originally supposed to be south of Alligator Alley.


EDIT DECEMBER 20, 2022; New Topic;
What year was SR 207 widened to four lanes? I saw Historic Aerials from 1999 depicting it as a two-lane road, and then 2007 as the four-lane highway it is today.



Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 21, 2022, 09:01:58 AM
To be honest, it's not that bad ending where it is. Using FL 826 to FL 836 does well as is to reach Downtown Miami.  Yes, to some of us road geeks it is an abomination, but to many of us Breezewood is on a boycott list cause they won't let PennDOT and the PTC build direct ramps between the freeways or some calling I-99 a false interstate as well as NC's I-74.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on December 27, 2022, 01:45:42 PM
We're spending a frigid holiday in St. Petersburg (but warmer than the mountains of Virginia). On this and other visits, I've noticed that many of the major surface streets have broad rights of way and have 6 or 8 lanes in places. How and when did the planning occur to allow all this room in the major urban area of Tampa Bay?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 29, 2022, 12:08:48 PM
Has anyone seen the new RDIC blue guide signs yet?  The classic purple Disney guides are being slowly phased out for a shade of blue.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Dirt Roads on December 29, 2022, 02:41:38 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 29, 2022, 12:08:48 PM
Has anyone seen the new RDIC blue guide signs yet?  The classic purple Disney guides are being slowly phased out for a shade of blue.

I have a dyslexic streak sometimes, so I had to do a double take on this one.  But officially, I know nothing about the Reedy Creek Improvement District.   :hmmm:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Voyager75 on December 29, 2022, 02:56:53 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 29, 2022, 12:08:48 PM
Has anyone seen the new RDIC blue guide signs yet?  The classic purple Disney guides are being slowly phased out for a shade of blue.

Just left Disney a few days ago. There aren't that many up yet. Saw maybe a dozen scattered around the property. They look much better TBH and even have official looking Highway Gothic font. I doubt non-road geek folks would even pay attention as its a purplish shade of blue. I know the Disney geek purists are all up in arms about it for some reason. They think the purple signs are as iconic as the rest of the park properties.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on December 29, 2022, 10:25:49 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on December 19, 2022, 02:42:07 PM
I know the right of way was originally supposed to be south of Alligator Alley.


EDIT DECEMBER 20, 2022; New Topic;
What year was SR 207 widened to four lanes? I saw Histoirc Aerials from 1999 depicting it as a two-lane road, and then 2007 as the four-lane highway it is today.

I recall construction began in mid-2001 around Palatka on SR 207, but I moved away from the area not long after that. My next visit was in 2011, and it was all four-laned by then.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: hotdogPi on December 30, 2022, 08:13:26 AM
Notes from my trip to Florida:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: pianocello on December 30, 2022, 08:41:27 AM
Quote from: VTGoose on December 27, 2022, 01:45:42 PM
We're spending a frigid holiday in St. Petersburg (but warmer than the mountains of Virginia). On this and other visits, I've noticed that many of the major surface streets have broad rights of way and have 6 or 8 lanes in places. How and when did the planning occur to allow all this room in the major urban area of Tampa Bay?

I've got a couple guesses, but I think they apply more to the rapidly-growing areas in the outlying areas of Citrus/Hernando/Pasco Counties than Tampa Bay/Pinellas County:




Quote from: 1 on December 30, 2022, 08:13:26 AM
What's the point of decommissioning state routes into county routes if they keep their number and still fit into the overall grid system?
State doesn't want to/can't afford to maintain the route anymore, but locals know it by a certain number so it's not worth it to the Counties to change it

Quote from: 1 on December 30, 2022, 08:13:26 AM
Why does FL 528 say you need E-Pass rather than SunPass? They're interoperable now; just switch the signs over.
E-Pass roads and SunPass roads are owned and maintained by different entities - Central Florida Expressway (CFX) maintains E-Pass roads like SR 528 and others in the area like 429, 408, parts of 417, etc. SunPass roads are maintained by the Turnpike authority, a subset of FDOT. The transponders are interoperable, but I think the different agencies mean the interoperability could theoretically go away at some point. It won't, but it could.

Quote from: 1 on December 30, 2022, 08:13:26 AM
Wasn't the longest gap (excluding rest areas) on a freeway in the United States supposed to be on one side of Yeehaw Junction and be 4 miles shorter if you had a SunPass? That exit didn't appear to be SunPass-only.
I think there was a brief time before pay-by-plate was possible on the Turnpike. That went away with the pandemic when they removed cash transactions.

Quote from: 1 on December 30, 2022, 08:13:26 AM
The northern end of I-589 (sic, lol) was fairly empty. Does it really need an extension due north?
No. Unless it's extended far enough to actually provide relief for I-75. But for that to happen it would also need a better connection to I-75 near the south end, and at some point it just doesn't become worth it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 30, 2022, 12:52:37 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 30, 2022, 08:13:26 AM
  • Wasn't the longest gap (excluding rest areas) on a freeway in the United States supposed to be on one side of Yeehaw Junction and be 4 miles shorter if you had a SunPass? That exit didn't appear to be SunPass-only.
The Sunpass-only signs were removed when they made the Turnpike electronic or pay-by-plate only.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 30, 2022, 10:48:57 PM
All exits are cash less so the dedicated exits for SunPass aren't so dedicated as all of its exits have become SunPass or Pay By Plate.

The signs would be useless.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: hotdogPi on December 31, 2022, 05:50:19 AM
I seem to remember that the SunPass only exit charged a violation fee of $100, not the pay by plate rate, if you went through without a SunPass.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 31, 2022, 10:59:37 AM
Quote from: 1 on December 31, 2022, 05:50:19 AM
I seem to remember that the SunPass only exit charged a violation fee of $100, not the pay by plate rate, if you went through without a SunPass.

No that sign was a scare tactic.  In reality you pay $2 or so.  Plus if your dumb enough to not watch where your going and end up on any Florida toll facility because the GPS sends you there, the manned toll collectors are to issue an insufficient Funds Notice which gives ten days to pay the toll at regular price plus the postage stamp.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: RoadPelican on January 04, 2023, 02:02:51 PM
South Florida times their lights quite well.

I'm down in Vero Beach for a few days (it's in the West Palm Beach TV Market, so I guess it's South Florida, but not really)

anyway, I drove from I-95 to just west of Downtown Vero Beach (5 miles) and did not have to stop at a single traffic light during the 12 to 1 pm hour!

GAS PRICES are ridiculous down here!!!

I paid $2.79 in Greensboro, NC then $2.72 in Savannah, GA and the average in Vero is $3.29!!!!

It should not be more than $3, wholesale gas is selling for around $2.40 if you add FL gas tax of 40 cents (+) 18 Cents federal Tax = $2.98, so gas stations are overcharging by at least 25 to 30 cents. Maybe a secret snowbird season tax?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 04, 2023, 03:30:47 PM
Try going south of Marathon sometime if you don't like those gas prices.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 04, 2023, 03:38:49 PM
Or move to the West Coast.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: cw321 on January 04, 2023, 10:03:06 PM
Quote from: pianocello on December 30, 2022, 08:41:27 AM
Quote from: 1 on December 30, 2022, 08:13:26 AM
Why does FL 528 say you need E-Pass rather than SunPass? They're interoperable now; just switch the signs over.
E-Pass roads and SunPass roads are owned and maintained by different entities - Central Florida Expressway (CFX) maintains E-Pass roads like SR 528 and others in the area like 429, 408, parts of 417, etc. SunPass roads are maintained by the Turnpike authority, a subset of FDOT. The transponders are interoperable, but I think the different agencies mean the interoperability could theoretically go away at some point. It won't, but it could.

The toll section of FL 528 is actually maintained by both CFX (E-Pass) and the Turnpike Enterprise (SunPass).

https://www.cfxway.com/for-travelers/expressways/528/ (https://www.cfxway.com/for-travelers/expressways/528/)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: hotdogPi on January 05, 2023, 07:42:29 AM
When was FL 703 decommissioned? The satnav inside the car I was riding in mentioned it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 05, 2023, 08:44:11 AM
Quote from: 1 on January 05, 2023, 07:42:29 AM
When was FL 703 decommissioned? The satnav inside the car I was riding in mentioned it.

I don't think I've ever seen the mysterious SR 703 listed on maps, much less posted in the field. But it's been a "hidden but not secret" designation for the section of A1A from Blue Heron Boulevard to PGA Boulevard for quite a while (construction signage in the 1990s, nav systems, etc.)

It fits the grid, though. Maybe it wasn't originally called A1A through there, sort of how S-707 (and not A1A) was a coastal route north of Jupiter?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 05, 2023, 08:12:43 PM
A1A originally used Park Avenue and 811 from Lake Park to Jupiter, which first became A1A Alternate before becoming an extended 811. Then it crossed back east of 5 to use 707 to Hobe Sound.

Per state maps (https://www.fdot.gov/gis/floridatransportationmaparchive.shtm), A1A became 707 in 1953-54 (apparently the piece south of Hobe Sound was initially A1A Leg A (https://proxy.arc.fdot.gov/public-document/D4/document/1322340)), and 703 became A1A in 1962-63. Note that another piece of A1A was created when US 1 was realigned ca. 1956 from Jupiter south to Juno Beach.

Palm Beach County maps: 1960 (https://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00016492/00001/zoom/16) (erroneously shows A1A north of Jupiter; also note the Juno Beach portion is a parallel piece of 5) and 1974 (https://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00016492/00001/zoom/22)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 06, 2023, 10:17:30 AM
Quote from: NE2 on January 05, 2023, 08:12:43 PM
A1A originally used Park Avenue and 811 from Lake Park to Jupiter, which first became A1A Alternate before becoming an extended 811. Then it crossed back east of 5 to use 707 to Hobe Sound.

Per state maps (https://www.fdot.gov/gis/floridatransportationmaparchive.shtm), A1A became 707 in 1953-54 (apparently the piece south of Hobe Sound was initially A1A Leg A (https://proxy.arc.fdot.gov/public-document/D4/document/1322340)), and 703 became A1A in 1962-63. Note that another piece of A1A was created when US 1 was realigned ca. 1956 from Jupiter south to Juno Beach.

Palm Beach County maps: 1960 (https://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00016492/00001/zoom/16) (erroneously shows A1A north of Jupiter; also note the Juno Beach portion is a parallel piece of 5) and 1974 (https://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00016492/00001/zoom/22)

Thanks for that!

Hmmm...that SR 74 where PGA Boulevard/786 is located making me wonder it it's another error, or another of those routes in the batch which got renumbered a few years later. It's not numbered on the state maps.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 06, 2023, 01:16:52 PM
I've definitely seen 74 on other maps; it's legit.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on January 09, 2023, 08:45:42 AM
Have some of the state routes in the Greater Miami area been downgraded, or perhaps had their state route numbers changed to county routes? Last night we went down to the Fairchild Tropical Botanic Gardens south of Coral Gables to see the light show and the sat-nav in my brother-in-law's car had us turning from SW 88th Street onto southbound FL-959 to Old Cutler Road, yet Travel Mapping shows FL-959 ending at US-1. I wondered if it used to go further south or if the part south of US-1 is a county route with the same number (didn't see any signs to that effect, but it was after dark so I may have missed something). I've noticed mapping software doesn't always distinguish between state and county routes elsewhere in this area (example: Apple Maps shows the county portion of Griffin Road as being FL-818 instead of CR-818), so I wonder if it's just a similar thing.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 09, 2023, 02:57:25 PM
SR 959 has always had its south end at US 1. As far as I know, Dade County has never posted county roads, but a few state-produced maps have shown them as extensions of state roads.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on January 10, 2023, 07:26:09 AM
Thanks. Probably just sloppiness by whoever programmed the software, then.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on January 10, 2023, 09:44:31 AM
What is the reason for so many roads in the Miami area having both a numbered name and a word name on the same street sign? For example, our hotel is near SW 148th Avenue in Southwest Ranches, which is also Volunteer Road. The other night we were on SW 88th Street down near Dadeland Mall and it was also signed as North Kendall Drive; SW 57th Avenue in the same area was also signed as Red Road (a name I recognize from the continuation of Flamingo Road near the Turnpike). My brother-in-law said there isn't necessarily much rhyme nor reason to which ones are referred to by name and which ones by number.

But I've also noticed it's far from universal. NW 196th Avenue in Pembroke Pines has no "word name," for example. Then in Weston the streets seem to have just "word names" without numbers.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 10, 2023, 09:54:30 AM
Galveston, Texas is the same way. They have number and letter grids there and Broadway doubles as Avenue J while 25th Street doubles as Rosenberg Street, 21st Street doubles as Moody Street, and 14th Street doubles as Christopher Columbus Street.

It's just to keep named roads still in the grid.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Dirt Roads on January 10, 2023, 10:04:12 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 10, 2023, 09:44:31 AM
What is the reason for so many roads in the Miami area having both a numbered name and a word name on the same street sign? For example, our hotel is near SW 148th Avenue in Southwest Ranches, which is also Volunteer Road. The other night we were on SW 88th Street down near Dadeland Mall and it was also signed as North Kendall Drive; SW 57th Avenue in the same area was also signed as Red Road (a name I recognize from the continuation of Flamingo Road near the Turnpike). My brother-in-law said there isn't necessarily much rhyme nor reason to which ones are referred to by name and which ones by number.

But I've also noticed it's far from universal. NW 196th Avenue in Pembroke Pines has no "word name," for example. Then in Weston the streets seem to have just "word names" without numbers.

Historically, the grid in the Miami area (now pretty much all inside of Miami proper) was used for navigation and general distance/time considerations by the locals.  As the City "changed" the numbered streets (or in many cases, sections of the numbered streets) on the grid, the locals (as expected) kept using the grid numbers out of habit.  I'm guessing that the dual signage was a matter of necessity because of the multi-lingual population in the City.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 10, 2023, 10:17:16 AM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on January 10, 2023, 10:04:12 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 10, 2023, 09:44:31 AM
What is the reason for so many roads in the Miami area having both a numbered name and a word name on the same street sign? For example, our hotel is near SW 148th Avenue in Southwest Ranches, which is also Volunteer Road. The other night we were on SW 88th Street down near Dadeland Mall and it was also signed as North Kendall Drive; SW 57th Avenue in the same area was also signed as Red Road (a name I recognize from the continuation of Flamingo Road near the Turnpike). My brother-in-law said there isn’t necessarily much rhyme nor reason to which ones are referred to by name and which ones by number.

But I’ve also noticed it’s far from universal. NW 196th Avenue in Pembroke Pines has no "word name," for example. Then in Weston the streets seem to have just "word names" without numbers.

Historically, the grid in the Miami area (now pretty much all inside of Miami proper) was used for navigation and general distance/time considerations by the locals.  As the City "changed" the numbered streets (or in many cases, sections of the numbered streets) on the grid, the locals (as expected) kept using the grid numbers out of habit.  I'm guessing that the dual signage was a matter of necessity because of the multi-lingual population in the City.

Plus it would create skipping numbers or jumping blocks to upset the grid.  For example in New York, there is no Fourth Avenue north of Union Square because Park Avenue took over the fourth numbered Avenue in the city. However 3rd and 5th Avenues are two blocks apart ( Madison and Lexington don’t count as they’re half block grid violations in betweeen)  where Park is where Fourth should be.

Then there is DC that has an invisible A and B Streets due to the National Mall that does create confusion as it starts with C and goes north or south ( depending on quadrant) and even skips over J and goes to K.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 10, 2023, 03:07:55 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 10, 2023, 09:44:31 AM
What is the reason for so many roads in the Miami area having both a numbered name and a word name on the same street sign? For example, our hotel is near SW 148th Avenue in Southwest Ranches, which is also Volunteer Road. The other night we were on SW 88th Street down near Dadeland Mall and it was also signed as North Kendall Drive; SW 57th Avenue in the same area was also signed as Red Road (a name I recognize from the continuation of Flamingo Road near the Turnpike). My brother-in-law said there isn't necessarily much rhyme nor reason to which ones are referred to by name and which ones by number.

But I've also noticed it's far from universal. NW 196th Avenue in Pembroke Pines has no "word name," for example. Then in Weston the streets seem to have just "word names" without numbers.

Miami-Dade County uses a lot of roads with ordinal numbers, with some of the road names used interchangeably. I used to remember a bunch of them but being out of the area for a decade made me forget a lot of them. But the grid radiates out of downtown Miami, so it's easy enough to figure out distances and locations around the county.

Broward County usually reserves the ordinals for some of the older areas of cities, but as the area grew, mostly names took over. Weston incorporated a lot later than most cities in Broward, with most of the streets and routes largely unconnected to the rest of the county's grid until the mid-1990s.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on January 11, 2023, 09:15:32 AM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on January 10, 2023, 10:04:12 AM
Historically, the grid in the Miami area (now pretty much all inside of Miami proper) was used for navigation and general distance/time considerations by the locals.

Is that a Florida thing? Going out U.S. 301 north from Ocala, one sees quite a few numbered streets well out into the countryside.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jhuntin1 on January 11, 2023, 02:41:25 PM
Quote from: VTGoose on January 11, 2023, 09:15:32 AM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on January 10, 2023, 10:04:12 AM
Historically, the grid in the Miami area (now pretty much all inside of Miami proper) was used for navigation and general distance/time considerations by the locals.

Is that a Florida thing? Going out U.S. 301 north from Ocala, one sees quite a few numbered streets well out into the countryside.

I've seen it in a few other states. In Indiana, a lot of roads north of Indianapolis continue the numbering higher from 96th Street, the last road in the city. The highest one I could find is 296th St, which would be 20 miles north.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: pianocello on January 11, 2023, 06:36:09 PM
Quote from: VTGoose on January 11, 2023, 09:15:32 AM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on January 10, 2023, 10:04:12 AM
Historically, the grid in the Miami area (now pretty much all inside of Miami proper) was used for navigation and general distance/time considerations by the locals.

Is that a Florida thing? Going out U.S. 301 north from Ocala, one sees quite a few numbered streets well out into the countryside.

In this particular case, Marion County adopted Ocala's numbering and addressing system. The same is true in Alachua County (Gainesville) further north.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: US 89 on January 11, 2023, 07:25:10 PM
Quote from: pianocello on January 11, 2023, 06:36:09 PM
Quote from: VTGoose on January 11, 2023, 09:15:32 AM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on January 10, 2023, 10:04:12 AM
Historically, the grid in the Miami area (now pretty much all inside of Miami proper) was used for navigation and general distance/time considerations by the locals.

Is that a Florida thing? Going out U.S. 301 north from Ocala, one sees quite a few numbered streets well out into the countryside.

In this particular case, Marion County adopted Ocala's numbering and addressing system. The same is true in Alachua County (Gainesville) further north.

That's common in other places too. In Utah, most counties will adopt the numbering grid from their largest city for their unincorporated areas. This gets annoying if you're in one of those areas but enter a smaller city with a different grid system, and so all the names and numbers will change. As an example, one road in Box Elder County goes from 6000 West (unincorporated county, based on Brigham City) to Main Street (Garland) to 300 East (Tremonton) in a span of 1.8 miles. In southern Garland, Google says that intersects a road called 12000 North...which would be its county number, but it's actually only signed as 1400 South. Go west from there and it becomes 1000 North.

At least Tremonton and Garland are separate enough you can kind of tell which is which from the ground, and you can definitely tell when you're leaving them. The problem is compounded if you're in an urban area where there are lots of formerly separate population centers that grew together and are now essentially indistinguishable... but still maintain their old address systems. That's what happened in Utah County, where there are tens of cities that use their own grids and a handful that use the county grid interspersed between them and in the rural parts.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 16, 2023, 12:10:54 AM
You know how NYSDOT Region 10 stupidly ends NY 105 and NY 106 abruptly at one another instead of making NY 105 useful by extending it west to Hempstead and extending NY 106 south to either NY 27 or Merrick Boulevard? Well, in FDOT Region 1, they did the same thing with FL 542 and FL 549 in Winter Haven. I realize that in the case of FL 542, they just decommissioned the route because they want to turn it into a "pedestrian friendly zone." So I say FL 549 should be extended south to FL 540.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 16, 2023, 01:10:25 AM
In Homestead they did the same when SR 997 got truncated. SR 996 now begins at SR 997 new south end to connect to US 1 to the east.

SR 581 ends at the west segment end of SR 54 in Wesley Chapel as well.

Two routes ending at each other are common around here.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 18, 2023, 01:34:08 PM
The newest I-75 interchange in Pasco County opens. I-75 Exit 282 connects to Overpass Road north of Wesley Chapel. FL.
https://www.fdottampabay.com/project/457/432734-2-52-01
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 18, 2023, 11:26:34 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 16, 2023, 01:10:25 AM
In Homestead they did the same when SR 997 got truncated. SR 996 now begins at SR 997 new south end to connect to US 1 to the east.

SR 581 ends at the west segment end of SR 54 in Wesley Chapel as well.

Two routes ending at each other are common around here.
I've never seen how things are in Homestead, but I'm not a fan of this arrangement in Wesley Chapel either.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 20, 2023, 11:52:08 AM
Quote from: Alex on October 22, 2022, 09:46:18 AM
And wait until the new DDI with a planned Buc-ee's a nearby opens on the north side of Ocala, and see traffic congestion further increase.
https://www.cflroads.com/project/435209-1/I-75_at_NW_49_St_Project_Development_and_Environment_PD_E_Study
Is this interchange still being proposed? Because I heard that the Buc-ee's is supposed to be moved to SR 326 now.
https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/regional/florida/bucees-florida-locations-ocala-new/67-eedca7e9-bf4e-4707-9d00-3358da3ae409

https://www.wfla.com/news/is-florida-getting-another-buc-ees-location/





Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 20, 2023, 03:51:07 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 20, 2023, 11:52:08 AM
Quote from: Alex on October 22, 2022, 09:46:18 AM
And wait until the new DDI with a planned Buc-ee's a nearby opens on the north side of Ocala, and see traffic congestion further increase.
https://www.cflroads.com/project/435209-1/I-75_at_NW_49_St_Project_Development_and_Environment_PD_E_Study
Is this interchange still being proposed? Because I heard that the Buc-ee's is supposed to be moved to SR 326 now.
https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/regional/florida/bucees-florida-locations-ocala-new/67-eedca7e9-bf4e-4707-9d00-3358da3ae409

https://www.wfla.com/news/is-florida-getting-another-buc-ees-location/

The SR 326 reference is not accurate. Looking at the plans for the proposed DDI, you can see where the site is.
The construction project (435209-1) (https://www.cflroads.com/project/435209-1) is scheduled for letting on August 8, 2024.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 21, 2023, 07:38:08 PM
Oh hi, it's Toll A1A (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9097288,-81.3199034,3a,30.1y,327.81h,76.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBB_bFyNdccyiqV9nzMPDJg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 21, 2023, 09:01:47 PM
I finished mapping the state roads as they existed in 1945: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1jN2a1kHL8hFXe9PO8agPoHMOCjt2RyU
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on January 22, 2023, 08:22:06 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 21, 2023, 09:01:47 PM
I finished mapping the state roads as they existed in 1945: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1jN2a1kHL8hFXe9PO8agPoHMOCjt2RyU

Nice work. Quick question:  Is this how the roads were before or after the great renumbering?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 23, 2023, 06:45:41 AM
Quote from: NE2 on January 21, 2023, 09:01:47 PM
I finished mapping the state roads as they existed in 1945: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1jN2a1kHL8hFXe9PO8agPoHMOCjt2RyU

Outstanding work and excellent notes! :clap:

Quote from: Brian556 on January 22, 2023, 08:22:06 PM
Nice work. Quick question:  Is this how the roads were before or after the great renumbering?

From looking at a few dozen routes, this was the great renumbering; however, there were additional changes all the way up to around 1983, though usually to shorter local routes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 23, 2023, 11:20:28 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on January 22, 2023, 08:22:06 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 21, 2023, 09:01:47 PM
I finished mapping the state roads as they existed in 1945: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1jN2a1kHL8hFXe9PO8agPoHMOCjt2RyU

Nice work. Quick question:  Is this how the roads were before or after the great renumbering?


This is just after the renumbering. One of the linked sources is the 1945 log.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on January 23, 2023, 11:47:01 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on January 20, 2023, 11:52:08 AM
Quote from: Alex on October 22, 2022, 09:46:18 AM
And wait until the new DDI with a planned Buc-ee's a nearby opens on the north side of Ocala, and see traffic congestion further increase.
https://www.cflroads.com/project/435209-1/I-75_at_NW_49_St_Project_Development_and_Environment_PD_E_Study
Is this interchange still being proposed? Because I heard that the Buc-ee's is supposed to be moved to SR 326 now.
https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/regional/florida/bucees-florida-locations-ocala-new/67-eedca7e9-bf4e-4707-9d00-3358da3ae409

https://www.wfla.com/news/is-florida-getting-another-buc-ees-location/

We've been to both in Florida and can now say "We've been to Buc-ee's" -- both were like Walmart and Best Buy wrapped up together on Black Friday, both in the parking lot and in the store. The brisket is good but not worth the anxiety.

If/when the Ocala one is built, if in whichever location, will they push for access to the east from U.S. 301? If nothing else, this would avoid having to travel a short stretch of I-75 to get to or from exit 358 and Zuber to get to or from U.S. 301 (depending on whether going north or south).

If nothing else, it would be nice if FDOT would upgrade the northbound off ramp at 358 by extending it further south; at times it stacks up and spills into the travel lane due to the truck stops there and as the preferred connection to continue north on U.S. 301. The ultimate, as I have seen someone post here, would be a limited-access extension of U.S. 301 from its junction with U.S. 441 west to a direct interchange with I-75.

Bruce in Blacksburg (but a frequent traveler to St. Petersburg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on January 23, 2023, 09:31:29 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 21, 2023, 09:01:47 PM
I finished mapping the state roads as they existed in 1945: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1jN2a1kHL8hFXe9PO8agPoHMOCjt2RyU

NE2, I see a few that I was previously unware of in the Orlando area. Could you give me some route numbers and any other info you have on the following:

1.In Forest City, the route using Bear Lake Rd and Bunnell Rd

2. Ronald Regan Blvd/ Anchor Rd

3. South Sanford Ave crossing the western part of Lake Jessup? Was there a ferry, or was this a never-completed route?

4. Kaley Ave, turning north on Mills Ave, up to Briarcliff Dr

5. The route leaving Narcoosee Rd at Aljay Lake, Intersecting US 192 at US 441. Looks like a proposed relocation of SR 15
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 23, 2023, 09:37:35 PM
Click on each route and it'll give the number.
1. 434
2. 434
3. 425 (proposed)
The first three are shown on https://catalog.archives.gov/id/12007964
4. 600: this one is explicitly described in the 1945 log, but I've never seen any map showing it.
5. 15 (proposed)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: plain on January 29, 2023, 01:43:47 PM
Not sure if anyone has seen this, but here's a video showing the Sunshine Skyway in the 1950's.

https://youtu.be/-P6B9_mhQMg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jaxrunner on January 31, 2023, 11:09:50 AM


  I saw in the news that Governor Desantis has fast tracked 20 projects across the state as part of his moving FL forward initiative. One that I am thrilled about is the widening of I 75 through Ocala down to the turnpike. This project is way overdue, as the growth through the area has been explosive. Another Project closer to me is the widening of Panama City Beach parkway. The parkway was once a rural bypass is now clogged with bummer to bummer traffic with new retail and residential buildings going up every year. Hopefully FDOT will consider adding for flyovers to the road. The flyover near the port of Panama City is nice and really helped with the traffic.
(https://res.cloudinary.com/graham-media-group/image/upload/f_auto/q_auto/c_scale,w_640/v1/media/gmg/RI6HPAY3HNCMPLV2BLUJHNIZ7A.png?_a=ATO2BAA0)
https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2023/01/30/watch-live-gov-desantis-holds-news-conference-in-polk-county/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on January 31, 2023, 05:36:17 PM
Does anyone here know how much of the north "side" of FL-429/Wekiva Parkway is open? Google Maps is showing the southbound(westbound) side as being open all the way to I-4. Might be heading that way and would like to know, otherwise I'll just stick with FL-46 to make the connection.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Dirt Roads on January 31, 2023, 07:17:40 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on January 31, 2023, 05:36:17 PM
Does anyone here know how much of the north "side" of FL-429/Wekiva Parkway is open? Google Maps is showing the southbound(westbound) side as being open all the way to I-4. Might be heading that way and would like to know, otherwise I'll just stick with FL-46 to make the connection.

Wow!  It is certainly close to completion.  The Wekiva Parkway (https://www.wekivaparkway.com/) official website shows that the new mainline is not yet complete from International Parkway in Lake Mary -to- FL-46.  But Google Maps actually shows that the westbound mainline lanes of Wekiva Parkway are partially open from the I-4 [southbound] offramp all the way around.  It looks like you could come down I-4 from Daytona and hit the Wekiva Parkway and take it all the way around, cross I-4 and land at the current dead end on International Parkway.  That's not a clinch in my book, but I also would feel like I've "driven the whole thing" after this kind of a trip.  Right now, you can't do this in the clockwise direction.

Still no official word on when the Wekiva Parkway will be fully complete.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on February 01, 2023, 03:58:45 PM
I don't actually believe Google Map's depiction that the segment from I-4 to FL-46 is open, hence my question.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 01, 2023, 04:33:21 PM
It is open, only accessible from I-4 westbound.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 05, 2023, 12:24:43 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on February 01, 2023, 03:58:45 PM
I don't actually believe Google Map's depiction that the segment from I-4 to FL-46 is open, hence my question.

Here's a news article about it.
https://www.clickorlando.com/traffic/2022/10/20/state-readies-to-open-1st-connection-from-i-4-to-the-wekiva-parkway/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on February 14, 2023, 03:38:22 PM
FL-429 is indeed open, but the exit tab is covered up on I-4 south. Nice and empty...... for now. I'll take it over the I-4 dumpster fire.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kernals12 on February 16, 2023, 12:00:32 AM
FDOT wants to widen I-75 in Collier and Lee Counties. One section would go from 6 general purpose lanes to 8 and another would get 4 express lanes. Amazingly, they have no plans for tolls
https://www.gulfshorebusiness.com/fdot-considers-interchange-lane-improvements-for-i-75-south-corridor/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 18, 2023, 02:00:25 AM
Who has pictures related to Overpass Road and the new Exit 282 on I-75 in southern Pasco County?

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on February 18, 2023, 07:56:43 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 18, 2023, 02:00:25 AM
Who has pictures related to Overpass Road and the new Exit 282 on I-75 in southern Pasco County?

I posted photos of it both to Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/groups/1472156429737835/permalink/3510240529262738/) and on AARoads the day it opened.

I-75 north (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/i-075-north-brooksville-fl/)
I-75 south (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/i-075-south-brooksville-fl/)




Two lanes of the four lane SR 52 realignment south of St. Leo and Dade City opened to traffic yesterday as well.
https://www.facebook.com/MyFDOTTampa/posts/pfbid02KNZD9dq1FEiTDDF3wgiz36CGxUtqzHW6y8eRXkVYnrys3pPcznGmz94ZVMgMiPqYl

Fox13 News reported that the other four lanes will open in late 2023...

Have not checked it out yet, but will within the next week.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 21, 2023, 01:25:05 AM
Well, when I was driving into Polk County back on February 15, SR 52 was part of my route, and I noticed a lot of new county road shields hidden in bags. That was when I decided I had better snap some pics of the road for Wikimedia Commons before they shift it over to the new section.

The traffic at the time was terrible, FYI.

BTW, I found traffic to be worse along Pasco CR 54 that afternoon, so I thought I'd take a detour to CR 530, believing it would lead to Overpass Road. I was DEAD WRONG. Instead, it became a dirt road after you pass Wal-Mart, like it has always done, and that dirt road was so rough I thought it would shake my car to pieces!

Luckily I got some Overpass Road pics of my own.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on February 21, 2023, 02:54:12 PM
Speaking of Polk County, I took the Deen Still Rd. detour to avoid the I-4 dumpster fire. When the VMSes were quoting 45mins to go from Exit 48 to 55 (US-27), I figured it couldn't be too bad. My destination was off of Ronald Reagan Parkway anyway, so it wasn't too out of the way. Not a bad drive, although part of the road needs a repave.

The intersection with US-27 needs to be reconfigured though. Two thru lanes are needed eastbound across US-27.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 22, 2023, 10:45:25 PM
Here's another Polk County topic; I'm going to post some pics of it tomorrow in the Wikimedia Commons, but for now I'm adding a GSV link:
https://www.google.com/maps/@27.8362664,-81.5282028,3a,75y,56.08h,96.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssogAlEFaorDP8v7XIrMqvA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
This is Libby Road in Babson Park, Florida east of Scenic SR 17. The bridge described in that sign has a 9'6" clearance, carried the former Haines City Branch of the Atlantic Coast Line Railroad, and is made entirely of wood.

Here's a closer view;
https://www.google.com/maps/@27.8365756,-81.5276674,3a,75y,75.87h,83.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXh-U5511K1CT__zgIVn1rA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
Try to convince me this was made in the 20th Century, or at least after 1920. I dare you.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on March 01, 2023, 12:30:11 PM
[Just saw this on the news while visiting our grandson and family.]

"Major changes could eventually be coming to one of the bridges that connect Tampa and St. Petersburg. Right now, the Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT) is designing potential improvements for Gandy Bridge to benefit drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Though the process is still in its infancy and lacks most of the funding it will need to proceed, Tuesday night, FDOT engineers presented their tentative vision to dozens of people during a public meeting at the Pinellas Park Performing Arts Center."

See https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/driving-tampa-bay-forward/fdot-shares-vision-to-widen-gandy-bridge-improve-congestion

Bruce in Blacksburg (temporarily in St. Pete)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: pianocello on March 01, 2023, 06:21:13 PM
Quote from: VTGoose on March 01, 2023, 12:30:11 PM
[Just saw this on the news while visiting our grandson and family.]

"Major changes could eventually be coming to one of the bridges that connect Tampa and St. Petersburg. Right now, the Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT) is designing potential improvements for Gandy Bridge to benefit drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Though the process is still in its infancy and lacks most of the funding it will need to proceed, Tuesday night, FDOT engineers presented their tentative vision to dozens of people during a public meeting at the Pinellas Park Performing Arts Center."

See https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/driving-tampa-bay-forward/fdot-shares-vision-to-widen-gandy-bridge-improve-congestion

Bruce in Blacksburg (temporarily in St. Pete)

A no-brainer, really, and I hope they're able to secure funding. Pinellas County can use all the improved connectivity it can get, and making things safer for peds/bikes is icing on the cake.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 03, 2023, 08:05:52 AM
Quote from: pianocello on March 01, 2023, 06:21:13 PM
Quote from: VTGoose on March 01, 2023, 12:30:11 PM
[Just saw this on the news while visiting our grandson and family.]

"Major changes could eventually be coming to one of the bridges that connect Tampa and St. Petersburg. Right now, the Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT) is designing potential improvements for Gandy Bridge to benefit drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists. Though the process is still in its infancy and lacks most of the funding it will need to proceed, Tuesday night, FDOT engineers presented their tentative vision to dozens of people during a public meeting at the Pinellas Park Performing Arts Center."

See https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/driving-tampa-bay-forward/fdot-shares-vision-to-widen-gandy-bridge-improve-congestion

Bruce in Blacksburg (temporarily in St. Pete)

A no-brainer, really, and I hope they're able to secure funding. Pinellas County can use all the improved connectivity it can get, and making things safer for peds/bikes is icing on the cake.

My Dad lives off of that stretch and has been advocating FDOT and the city of St. Petersburg for pedestrian and safety improvements since 2021. He regularly goes for walks and says that crossing U.S. 92/Gandy Boulevard is increasing dangerous. He has also noted accidents with fatalities on that stretch.

Last year he spoke with the Mayor of St. Petersburg about it, who mentioned the FDOT study to build a grade separation there. That definitely is the way to go, as the signal at Brighton Bay (which was only added in 2013), can cause a mile long back up for westbound traffic, making it impossible to turn without someone making a gap for you.

QuoteAccording to FDOT, the project to widen Gandy Boulevard and Bridge would cost roughly $761 million. No funding has been secured for any construction or right-of-way acquisition, which means the project does not yet have a timeline and is still in its very early stages of study and design.

However with as slow as some of these DOT projects go, related to funding, required environmental study, the design process, told my Dad it would likely be ten years before anything would be done...

QuoteKirk Bogen, an environmental management engineer with FDOT, said the department is also looking to make changes to the portion of Gandy Boulevard in Pinellas County – just west of the bay – where traffic congestion is most noticeable. According to FDOT, the current traffic levels on this stretch of Gandy Boulevard are already at an inadequate level and will only worsen with time.

Have met Kirk Bogen a few times, he's a good guy and seems to be genuinely interested in improving traffic.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on March 09, 2023, 07:53:47 PM
Heh, someone in Florida figured out what a reverse jug handle is: https://goo.gl/maps/gdYZ4DBoBWLc8yto9

All that is missing is the "ALL TURNS FROM RIGHT LANE" sign.

Quote from: Alex on March 03, 2023, 08:05:52 AM
However with as slow as some of these DOT projects go, related to funding, required environmental study, the design process, told my Dad it would likely be ten years before anything would be done...

Maybe start by adding another "penny for Pinellas".... because inflation.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jaxrunner on March 10, 2023, 12:03:38 AM
I live near that reverse jug handle but fortunately never made a turn there. Going eastbound on Atlantic Blvd you would have to go through the traffic light and then turn in the jug handle and then go through the same light Lyons Rd. Broward County roads are interesting.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 27, 2023, 09:59:11 PM
Quote from: VTGoose on January 23, 2023, 11:47:01 AM
We've been to both in Florida and can now say "We've been to Buc-ee's" -- both were like Walmart and Best Buy wrapped up together on Black Friday, both in the parking lot and in the store. The brisket is good but not worth the anxiety.
I finally got to the Buc-ee's in Daytona Beach, and I bought their Jalapeno flavored potato chips. I've got four words for them;


WAY
TOO
MUCH
SALT.


It got so bad, I bought a one quart bottle of chocolate milk from another convenience store to dilute it.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 28, 2023, 10:59:13 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on March 09, 2023, 07:53:47 PM
Heh, someone in Florida figured out what a reverse jug handle is: https://goo.gl/maps/gdYZ4DBoBWLc8yto9

All that is missing is the "ALL TURNS FROM RIGHT LANE" sign.

Quote from: Jaxrunner on March 10, 2023, 12:03:38 AM
I live near that reverse jug handle but fortunately never made a turn there. Going eastbound on Atlantic Blvd you would have to go through the traffic light and then turn in the jug handle and then go through the same light Lyons Rd. Broward County roads are interesting.

I also used to live about 20 minutes away from it, and tried all of the loops just for "fun", since they're anomalies. I think I tried the westbound Atlantic onto southbound Lyons ramp exactly once.

Lyons Road also has that reverse contraflow turn lane at Sawgrass a few miles to the north, which is also a weird feature.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 29, 2023, 08:36:40 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on March 09, 2023, 07:53:47 PM
Heh, someone in Florida figured out what a reverse jug handle is: https://goo.gl/maps/gdYZ4DBoBWLc8yto9

All that is missing is the "ALL TURNS FROM RIGHT LANE" sign.

Quote from: Alex on March 03, 2023, 08:05:52 AM
However with as slow as some of these DOT projects go, related to funding, required environmental study, the design process, told my Dad it would likely be ten years before anything would be done...

Maybe start by adding another "penny for Pinellas".... because inflation.
Let me show you a little something from FL 559 between Polk City and Auburndale;
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.1509532,-81.8003367,510m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on March 30, 2023, 08:47:17 PM
The Streetview images aren't recent enough, but there is a temporary jug handle on Old Grade Rd. north of the I-4 interchange to allow northbound traffic to access the westbound onramp.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 06, 2023, 06:31:42 PM
https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2023/04/05/work-underway-to-extend-kirkman-rd-to-epic-universe
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on April 06, 2023, 06:38:56 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on March 29, 2023, 08:36:40 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on March 09, 2023, 07:53:47 PM
Heh, someone in Florida figured out what a reverse jug handle is: https://goo.gl/maps/gdYZ4DBoBWLc8yto9

All that is missing is the "ALL TURNS FROM RIGHT LANE" sign.

Quote from: Alex on March 03, 2023, 08:05:52 AM
However with as slow as some of these DOT projects go, related to funding, required environmental study, the design process, told my Dad it would likely be ten years before anything would be done...

Maybe start by adding another "penny for Pinellas".... because inflation.
Let me show you a little something from FL 559 between Polk City and Auburndale;
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.1509532,-81.8003367,510m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

I guess that jughandle is for U-turns only.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Plutonic Panda on April 06, 2023, 07:53:29 PM
That's cool. Isn't something like this proposed in the state of Washington? Doesn't seem like too many of these around the states. I've never been through one.

https://twitter.com/jerryhume/status/1643582452495949827
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 09, 2023, 09:47:59 AM
Please try to remember to strip any extra text off of Twitter tweets now. Our new Twitter parser doesn't like it sadly.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Plutonic Panda on April 09, 2023, 10:12:51 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 09, 2023, 09:47:59 AM
Please try to remember to strip any extra text off of Twitter tweets now. Our new Twitter parser doesn't like it sadly.
Thanks. I was wondering why the Tweet wasn't showing.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: VTGoose on April 17, 2023, 02:29:27 PM
Made the trip home from St. Petersburg yesterday and got to drive on the "test pavement" on U.S. 301 south of Baldwin. The only warning of the shift was a "Construction Ahead" sign, not the message board, and orange barrels marking the lane shift. Not sure if any testing was being done or if this is in prep for some work. That was about the only highlight of the trip (I-95 in Georgia and S. Carolina was a parking lot, so a lot of back-country travel).

Bruce, back in Blacksburg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on April 17, 2023, 07:20:35 PM
It seems that maintenance of SR 845 has been truncated to the Broward-Palm Beach County line. It no longer appears in the GIS data or SLDs for Palm Beach, and some (but not all) signs have been removed:
2019 (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.368883,-80.1441509,3a,75y,286.05h,91.07t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sB01aPWpk7CYSisv6jUpc1Q!2e0!5s20190401T000000!7i16384!8i8192) vs. 2022 (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.3688565,-80.1441756,3a,75y,286.05h,91.07t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sgtTyEZ4_bl7i8v_n_mUW6A!2e0!5s20220601T000000!7i16384!8i8192)
still signed in 2023 (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.3283248,-80.1534804,3a,36.9y,359.43h,85.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-gDFuSdOGHDNEHCbD3nTig!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 18, 2023, 04:21:44 AM
Some button copy still lives in Jacksonville in 2023!
https://goo.gl/maps/nwRTnMcU8CZKGQAS8
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on April 18, 2023, 08:05:43 AM
Quote from: NE2 on April 17, 2023, 07:20:35 PM
It seems that maintenance of SR 845 has been truncated to the Broward-Palm Beach County line. It no longer appears in the GIS data or SLDs for Palm Beach, and some (but not all) signs have been removed:
2019 (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.368883,-80.1441509,3a,75y,286.05h,91.07t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sB01aPWpk7CYSisv6jUpc1Q!2e0!5s20190401T000000!7i16384!8i8192) vs. 2022 (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.3688565,-80.1441756,3a,75y,286.05h,91.07t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sgtTyEZ4_bl7i8v_n_mUW6A!2e0!5s20220601T000000!7i16384!8i8192)
still signed in 2023 (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.3283248,-80.1534804,3a,36.9y,359.43h,85.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-gDFuSdOGHDNEHCbD3nTig!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

Until that End sign on Powerline/Jog Road went up a few years ago, SR 845 had always been very sparsely signed in Palm Beach County.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kernals12 on April 24, 2023, 10:36:41 PM
FDOT has started converting a portion of US 19 in Pinellas County into a controlled access freeway.  (https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/driving-tampa-bay-forward/fdot-starts-major-construction-project-on-busy-us-19)

QuotePINELLAS COUNTY, Fla. – The Florida Department of Transportation has started construction on a road improvement project in Pinellas County along U.S. 19, from S.R. 580 to north of Curlew Road.

The $242.6 million project has been years in the making to improve traffic flow and safety.

Right now, the area is a six-lane divided highway. FDOT is going to change it to a controlled access roadway and add interchanges and frontage roads.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 29, 2023, 09:07:23 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on April 24, 2023, 10:36:41 PM
FDOT has started converting a portion of US 19 in Pinellas County into a controlled access freeway.  (https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/driving-tampa-bay-forward/fdot-starts-major-construction-project-on-busy-us-19)

QuotePINELLAS COUNTY, Fla. – The Florida Department of Transportation has started construction on a road improvement project in Pinellas County along U.S. 19, from S.R. 580 to north of Curlew Road.

The $242.6 million project has been years in the making to improve traffic flow and safety.

Right now, the area is a six-lane divided highway. FDOT is going to change it to a controlled access roadway and add interchanges and frontage roads.


It's about time! I hope they extend it through Pasco County into southern Hernando County.

On another issue, I've been doing some FL 100 research lately, and I realize there's no signs marking the point where that route crosses the Putnam-Flagler County Line.

There's also still no evidence that the route is overlapped by SR 20. Either post the signs or truncate the route in Palatka.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 29, 2023, 02:04:53 PM
When is US 19 in Crystal River to be completed? That's been for ever them working on it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 29, 2023, 05:20:51 PM
I guess I should have made it a priority to note this covered shield (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10218638433912532&set=a.10218638612556998) (I presume for a future reroute of FL 54).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on April 29, 2023, 06:16:10 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on April 29, 2023, 05:20:51 PM
I guess I should have made it a priority to note this covered shield (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10218638433912532&set=a.10218638612556998) (I presume for a future reroute of FL 54).
As written in the post, it was for the Zephyrhills Bypass, which would have been a reroute of SR 54 to the north of the city. But both FDOT and Pasco County have long given up those plans for other road projects (i.e. SR 56 extension and Overpass Road). By the way, that sign assembly has been there for a little over 11 years with the one covered up...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on April 29, 2023, 06:17:12 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on April 29, 2023, 05:20:51 PM
I guess I should have made it a priority to note this covered shield (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10218638433912532&set=a.10218638612556998) (I presume for a future reroute of FL 54).
Looks like the Zephyrhills Bypass was delayed, but supposedly it will partly open this year: https://neighborhoodnewsonline.net/can-2023-top-2022-in-wesley-chapel-sure-why-not/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on April 30, 2023, 12:00:42 PM
Quote from: NE2 on April 29, 2023, 06:17:12 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on April 29, 2023, 05:20:51 PM
I guess I should have made it a priority to note this covered shield (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10218638433912532&set=a.10218638612556998) (I presume for a future reroute of FL 54).
Looks like the Zephyrhills Bypass was delayed, but supposedly it will partly open this year: https://neighborhoodnewsonline.net/can-2023-top-2022-in-wesley-chapel-sure-why-not/
The part of the bypass that will open (or has opened as Google had it driven in February) is part of Chapel Crossing housing development just east of where SR 54 turns southeast. It's one lane in each direction with a 30 mph speed limit. In fact, the swath of land the bypass uses is no longer owned by Pasco County, but by the Chapel Crossings Community Development District (conveyed to them in March 2021 by Thornwood Associates LLC according to Pasco County Property Appraiser website).

As I mentioned, Pasco County (nor FDOT) has any interest to build the bypass at this time. Though from January 2019, this news article (https://www.wfla.com/news/local-news/zephyrhills-bypass-hits-a-roadblock/) indicated that the bypass would be no longer programmed in Pasco County's 15 year Transportation Capital Plan. At that time they were focusing on SR 56 and Overpass Road. Their attention is now turning to completing the Ridge Road extension, and pushing it further east to U.S. 41. And the fact that Pasco County has sold off two more areas of land for the bypass to developers solidifies their current position on any sort of usable alternative for Zephyrhills.

Not sure why the developer chose to keep Zephyrhills Bypass as the name, but it will not serve as a legitimate bypass as intended, nor will it be a realigned SR 54.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 01, 2023, 12:12:48 AM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/52858882612
Is SF a good abbreviation considering that you have to research it to find that SF means Space Force?

FYI in December 2020 the official name of Canaveral Air Force Station ( previously Cape Canaveral AFS and before that Cape Kennedy AFS) became Canaveral Space Force Station due to the Trump Administration or Congress ( don't know which one made it for sure) changing it in 2020 to promote the US dedication to space exploration.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 04, 2023, 11:33:57 AM
Since I've never been on SR 100 east of Bunnell, who has info on this pedestrian bridge (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.4764777,-81.1678779,3a,75y,266.3h,78.08t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sKnYWm2Tingwcw8d-EO4XfQ!2e0!5s20220701T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en) being built east of I-95? GSV's latest coverage date is July 2022, so am I to assume it's finished?

BTW, I see very little evidence of an old railroad line there.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on May 05, 2023, 07:31:43 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on May 04, 2023, 11:33:57 AM
Since I've never been on SR 100 east of Bunnell, who has info on this pedestrian bridge (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.4764777,-81.1678779,3a,75y,266.3h,78.08t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sKnYWm2Tingwcw8d-EO4XfQ!2e0!5s20220701T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en) being built east of I-95? GSV's latest coverage date is July 2022, so am I to assume it's finished?

BTW, I see very little evidence of an old railroad line there.
Here are three articles on the pedestrian bridge:
Construction to begin July 26 for pedestrian bridge over State Road 100 to link network of trails (https://www.flaglercounty.gov/Home/Components/News/News/187/15)

Pedestrian bridge to be built over SR 100, enhancing Flagler trail system (https://www.observerlocalnews.com/news/2021/may/06/pedestrian-bridge-to-be-built-over-sr-100-enhancing-flagler-trail-system/)

Bridge over State Road 100 gateway to robust trail system (https://www.flaglercounty.gov/Home/Components/News/News/810/)

The first two were released at the beginning of the project in July 2021 while the third article is an update from April 28th, as it's still being worked on. I couldn't find in any of the articles a completion date of the FDOT funded bridge.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 06, 2023, 02:49:38 PM
Quote from: flaroads on April 30, 2023, 12:00:42 PM
The part of the bypass that will open (or has opened as Google had it driven in February) is part of Chapel Crossing housing development just east of where SR 54 turns southeast. It's one lane in each direction with a 30 mph speed limit. In fact, the swath of land the bypass uses is no longer owned by Pasco County, but by the Chapel Crossings Community Development District (conveyed to them in March 2021 by Thornwood Associates LLC according to Pasco County Property Appraiser website).

As I mentioned, Pasco County (nor FDOT) has any interest to build the bypass at this time. Though from January 2019, this news article (https://www.wfla.com/news/local-news/zephyrhills-bypass-hits-a-roadblock/) indicated that the bypass would be no longer programmed in Pasco County's 15 year Transportation Capital Plan. At that time they were focusing on SR 56 and Overpass Road. Their attention is now turning to completing the Ridge Road extension, and pushing it further east to U.S. 41. And the fact that Pasco County has sold off two more areas of land for the bypass to developers solidifies their current position on any sort of usable alternative for Zephyrhills.

Not sure why the developer chose to keep Zephyrhills Bypass as the name, but it will not serve as a legitimate bypass as intended, nor will it be a realigned SR 54.
Well, that sucks. I would've like to have seen SR 54 and CR 54 merged together without the overlap onto CR 579.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Plutonic Panda on May 12, 2023, 01:45:40 PM
Florida will build its first wildlife bridges over I-4 in Polk County.

https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-polk/fdot-plans-states-first-wildlife-crossing-overpass-across-i-4-in-polk-county
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 12, 2023, 03:23:15 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on May 12, 2023, 01:45:40 PM
Florida will build its first wildlife bridges over I-4 in Polk County.

https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-polk/fdot-plans-states-first-wildlife-crossing-overpass-across-i-4-in-polk-county

Already has to some degree. The Exit 48 project addresses that already.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 20, 2023, 07:11:08 AM
What railroad uses this crossing of US 19-98-Alt. 27 in Perry?
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.106714,-83.5891702,3a,90y,354.45h,79.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9uf6mOFvixG2B6H-rl4Tkw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
I know it leads to some kind of saw mill.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on May 20, 2023, 07:34:17 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on May 20, 2023, 07:11:08 AM
What railroad uses this crossing of US 19-98-Alt. 27 in Perry?
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.106714,-83.5891702,3a,90y,354.45h,79.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9uf6mOFvixG2B6H-rl4Tkw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
I know it leads to some kind of saw mill.

Looks like it's the Florida-Georgia Railway. The paper mill was (or is) owned by Georgia-Pacific or one of its subsidiaries.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 23, 2023, 11:42:49 PM
https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-pinellas/changes-coming-to-portion-of-us-19-in-pinellas-county

https://www.fdottampabay.com/project/285/256774-3-52-01

Improvements coming to US 19 to extend its controlled access further north. Presently it ends at CR 580, but now it will go further to help improve heavy traffic along the congested artery.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 03, 2023, 08:50:43 AM
Okay. I have another question; Georgia-Pacific donated some land in Gulf Hammock, Florida for a wayside park in 1969, as you can see in this image.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Gulf_Hammock_GP_Wayside_Park%3B_US_19-98_%2801%29.jpg/640px-Gulf_Hammock_GP_Wayside_Park%3B_US_19-98_%2801%29.jpg)
They bought out the Patterson-Mcinnis Sawmill in 1940, and have and old P&M steam locomotive on display there. Was this in conjunction with the widening of US 19 and 98, or did that project occur at some other time in Florida history?


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 03, 2023, 10:00:42 AM
Here is an image of the P&M locomotive for those interested:  https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10218665995161546&set=a.10218666088203872
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 05, 2023, 03:38:54 PM
Yes, I posted some pictures of it myself. But it still doesn't answer my question about whether the wayside park was installed at the time US 19-98 was being converted into the four-lane divided highway with the tree-lined median that we know it to be today, or whether that widening took place at another period in time.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ElishaGOtis on June 10, 2023, 04:57:00 PM
Florida just enacted a number of laws involving roadway safety this legislative session. Some of these include
- HB 657 - Allows municipalities to install speed cameras within school zones ($100 fine, no points nor insurance increase, 10 MPH threshold)
- SB 766 - Allows school districts to make school bus stop signs photo enforced ($200 fine, no points nor insurance increase)
- HB 425 - Transportation package, including autonomous vehicles, corridor funding, and expanding the Move Over law to include all vehicles on shoulder

I wonder how these will be indicated on signage, especially the large number of signs currently stating "Move over for stopped emergency vehicles." I believe TN passed a similar law this year. :hmmm:

(still hoping for 75 MPH here... :crazy:)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: vdeane on June 10, 2023, 08:27:46 PM
All vehicles?  I can get the safety aspect, but emergency vehicles have flashing lights that enable them to be seen from a distance.  You're much more likely to not notice a regular car until you're right on top of them, at which point it could be too late to move over (especially if there's traffic).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: sprjus4 on June 11, 2023, 02:46:53 AM
Quote from: vdeane on June 10, 2023, 08:27:46 PM
All vehicles?  I can get the safety aspect, but emergency vehicles have flashing lights that enable them to be seen from a distance.  You're much more likely to not notice a regular car until you're right on top of them, at which point it could be too late to move over (especially if there's traffic).
Virginia is doing the same as well... I usually move over for all stopped vehicles if I'm able, and usually I have ample opportunity to see their hazards in the distance, but I could see this being an issue in heavier traffic conditions. As it stands now, if on a 4 lane highway with dense moving traffic at 70 mph, if there's a police vehicle pulled over, it creates a ripple effect of braking and a mini traffic jam just to move over. I couldn't imagine this being for every stopped vehicle. Then again, I don't expect high compliance in those situations.

Outside of heavy traffic though, if a vehicle has ample opportunity to move over, I support that 100% being legally required. It amazes me when people blow right by a stopped vehicle when the left lane is wide open for miles. There's no consideration or paying attention on that drivers part. As someone who has driven on long segments of I-81 during lighter traffic conditions (it's notorious during peak weekends for congestion, but is actually a nice congestion free drive during the right times if you're lucky), I've seen this all the time.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ElishaGOtis on June 11, 2023, 01:51:22 PM
Quote from: vdeane on June 10, 2023, 08:27:46 PM
All vehicles?  I can get the safety aspect, but emergency vehicles have flashing lights that enable them to be seen from a distance.  You're much more likely to not notice a regular car until you're right on top of them, at which point it could be too late to move over (especially if there's traffic).

From what I read, the new law will apply if:
- The disabled vehicle is flashing hazard lights
- There are cones or other similar devices near the vehicle (trucks sometimes do this)
- There are pedestrians near the vehicle
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: vdeane on June 11, 2023, 02:50:53 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 11, 2023, 02:46:53 AM
Quote from: vdeane on June 10, 2023, 08:27:46 PM
All vehicles?  I can get the safety aspect, but emergency vehicles have flashing lights that enable them to be seen from a distance.  You're much more likely to not notice a regular car until you're right on top of them, at which point it could be too late to move over (especially if there's traffic).
Virginia is doing the same as well... I usually move over for all stopped vehicles if I'm able, and usually I have ample opportunity to see their hazards in the distance, but I could see this being an issue in heavier traffic conditions. As it stands now, if on a 4 lane highway with dense moving traffic at 70 mph, if there's a police vehicle pulled over, it creates a ripple effect of braking and a mini traffic jam just to move over. I couldn't imagine this being for every stopped vehicle. Then again, I don't expect high compliance in those situations.

Outside of heavy traffic though, if a vehicle has ample opportunity to move over, I support that 100% being legally required. It amazes me when people blow right by a stopped vehicle when the left lane is wide open for miles. There's no consideration or paying attention on that drivers part. As someone who has driven on long segments of I-81 during lighter traffic conditions (it's notorious during peak weekends for congestion, but is actually a nice congestion free drive during the right times if you're lucky), I've seen this all the time.
I move over for all vehicles on freeway shoulders where possible as well, but given NY's stance on widening, the scenario where traffic makes it difficult to move over does happen fairly often.  There's a certain amount of strategic timing when it comes to making lane changes on the Thruway, and traffic can make it harder to see ahead as well (especially as I drive a sedan).  NY's law is all vehicles with flashing lights (and garbage trucks - since our law is "slow down or move over", it applies on surface roads as well; from what I've heard, the safe amount for slowing down to avoid a ticket is ~20 mph below the speed limit), and those are easy enough to see from half a mile away absent curves (maybe MMM was on to something after all...), but I feel like I only have half that warning (or less) with other vehicles unless traffic is light enough that I don't need advance warning in the first place.

We do get that congestion whenever a police officer is on the shoulder for most of the Thruway and pretty much all urban/suburban freeways.  Less so for other vehicles since compliance is lower for tow trucks and DOT vehicles (especially on the Thruway, probably because many states only have the law for emergency vehicles).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: MASTERNC on June 15, 2023, 11:55:14 AM
Curious if people with non-Florida transponders have issues with CFX tolls. 

Just rented a car in Orlando using NC Quick Pass and registered it as a temporary vehicle.  Used FTE and CFX toll roads while there.  The Florida Turnpike tolls posted next day.  The FTE Beachline tolls posted days later (one was associated with my transponder and the other, oddly, seemed to look up the rental plate but posted).  The CFX tolls have not posted almost a week after the first toll.  I assume they will see that the plate was registered to a transponder at the time of the toll, but I am concerned they will be processed late and the vehicle won't associate with my account.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on June 16, 2023, 04:16:26 PM
CFX takes a while to post tolls to E-ZPass accounts too. FTE was pretty quick. Next time you are down there, you might want to give this a shot if renting out of MCO: https://visitortollpass.com/

CFX runs the program and seems like a good way to avoid overcharging rental car toll "services".
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: MASTERNC on June 18, 2023, 02:18:57 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on June 16, 2023, 04:16:26 PM
CFX takes a while to post tolls to E-ZPass accounts too. FTE was pretty quick. Next time you are down there, you might want to give this a shot if renting out of MCO: https://visitortollpass.com/

CFX runs the program and seems like a good way to avoid overcharging rental car toll "services".

Thought about that, except for the fact our flight and car weren't in Terminal A, which is the only location with a vending machine
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 28, 2023, 11:35:55 PM
I'm posting my 3400th post right now. I could celebrate it with a number 34 route shield that has some significance to me (as I've done for routes like NY 24, NY 25, and NY 27), but I don't know of any.

What I do have is a question about this three level destination sign in Lakeland Florida along US 92;
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/WB_US_92-FL_546_Tri-Destination_Sign.jpg/1280px-WB_US_92-FL_546_Tri-Destination_Sign.jpg)
Regarding the distance for Plant City and Tampa, would those distances be accurate for I-4, or US 92, or both?

Keep in mind, this segment is also hidden SR 546, which becomes a separate and open route when US 92 turns south at Wabash Avenue.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: edwaleni on July 04, 2023, 04:33:02 PM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on May 20, 2023, 07:34:17 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on May 20, 2023, 07:11:08 AM
What railroad uses this crossing of US 19-98-Alt. 27 in Perry?
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.106714,-83.5891702,3a,90y,354.45h,79.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9uf6mOFvixG2B6H-rl4Tkw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
I know it leads to some kind of saw mill.

Looks like it's the Florida-Georgia Railway. The paper mill was (or is) owned by Georgia-Pacific or one of its subsidiaries.

This is what is left of the old Hampton Springs branch line.  This line had 2 purposes, it brought tourists out to the Hampton Springs Resort and north of the resort was where all the lumber narrow gauges brought their logs in and they were transferred to the pulp plant in Perry,.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on July 04, 2023, 05:19:39 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on June 28, 2023, 11:35:55 PM
I'm posting my 3400th post right now. I could celebrate it with a number 34 route shield that has some significance to me (as I've done for routes like NY 24, NY 25, and NY 27), but I don't know of any.

What I do have is a question about this three level destination sign in Lakeland Florida along US 92;
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/WB_US_92-FL_546_Tri-Destination_Sign.jpg/1280px-WB_US_92-FL_546_Tri-Destination_Sign.jpg)
Regarding the distance for Plant City and Tampa, would those distances be accurate for I-4, or US 92, or both?

Keep in mind, this segment is also hidden SR 546, which becomes a separate and open route when US 92 turns south at Wabash Avenue.




I would say neither. I-4 meets in five miles which is I-4 Exit 28, located 28 miles from Downtown Tampa.  It should read 33 miles as well as Plant City being 13 miles.

True this engineer figure the city limits over the Downtowns, but in other cases Florida measures mileage to the Downtown areas over exits or city limits.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on July 07, 2023, 07:46:01 PM
I need some native Floridians for this; Where was Noxon, Florida? The reason I ask is because of this Wikipedia article;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Western_and_Northern_Railroad

I'm convinced that it may have been acquired by Auburndale, so I've considered extending Auburndale as the location on that list.

However, I've found no old maps showing the existence of the station or the community. Most of the old maps I've found of Polk County don't even have the line that became the Seaboard Air Line Miami Subdivision, despite the fact that it was made decades before 1932;
http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/maps/galleries/County/Polk/index.php

http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/maps/pages/10800/f10839/f10839.htm

BTW, Open Railway Map and mileage markers in the article aren't telling me anything;
https://www.openrailwaymap.org/?lang=en&lat=28.096111&lon=-81.801111&zoom=12&style=standard




Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on July 08, 2023, 06:37:48 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on July 07, 2023, 07:46:01 PM
I need some native Floridians for this;
I guess I can't help.

Quote from: D-Dey65 on July 07, 2023, 07:46:01 PM
Where was Noxon, Florida? The reason I ask is because of this Wikipedia article;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Western_and_Northern_Railroad

I'm convinced that it may have been acquired by Auburndale, so I've considered extending Auburndale as the location on that list.

However, I've found no old maps showing the existence of the station or the community. Most of the old maps I've found of Polk County don't even have the line that became the Seaboard Air Line Miami Subdivision, despite the fact that it was made decades before 1932;
0.7 decades to be precise...

Quote from: D-Dey65 on July 07, 2023, 07:46:01 PM
http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/maps/galleries/County/Polk/index.php

http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/maps/pages/10800/f10839/f10839.htm

BTW, Open Railway Map and mileage markers in the article aren't telling me anything;
https://www.openrailwaymap.org/?lang=en&lat=28.096111&lon=-81.801111&zoom=12&style=standard
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Dirt Roads on July 08, 2023, 08:58:10 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on July 07, 2023, 07:46:01 PM
I need some native Floridians for this; Where was Noxon, Florida? The reason I ask is because of this Wikipedia article;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Western_and_Northern_Railroad

Perhaps you need help from a railroader.  It looks like Noxon was located near the Auburndale Youth Baseball complex at Lake Myrtle.  The term station on the railroad doesn't necessarily mean a passenger station or freight station, but rather any location that needs a name.  Given that Noxon was 5.2 miles from the Polk City passenger station and 3.3 miles from Auburndale passenger station, it was probably a "distant" railway signal location (ergo, two signals out from the interlocker at Auburndale).  It could have also been an industrial siding.  I can find any timetables from back in those days, but I have a few old timetables out in the shed that might have the answer.  Here's the general location (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Auburndale,+FL/@28.1034505,-81.8244699,1064m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x88dd14923981304d:0xf42d97a17447e8cb!8m2!3d28.0652975!4d-81.7886906!16zL20vMHJyN24?entry=ttu), just north of Braddock Road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 08, 2023, 09:33:27 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on July 08, 2023, 08:58:10 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on July 07, 2023, 07:46:01 PM
I need some native Floridians for this; Where was Noxon, Florida? The reason I ask is because of this Wikipedia article;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Western_and_Northern_Railroad

Perhaps you need help from a railroader.  It looks like Noxon was located near the Auburndale Youth Baseball complex at Lake Myrtle.  The term station on the railroad doesn't necessarily mean a passenger station or freight station, but rather any location that needs a name.  Given that Noxon was 5.2 miles from the Polk City passenger station and 3.3 miles from Auburndale passenger station, it was probably a "distant" railway signal location (ergo, two signals out from the interlocker at Auburndale).  It could have also been an industrial siding.  I can find any timetables from back in those days, but I have a few old timetables out in the shed that might have the answer.  Here's the general location (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Auburndale,+FL/@28.1034505,-81.8244699,1064m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x88dd14923981304d:0xf42d97a17447e8cb!8m2!3d28.0652975!4d-81.7886906!16zL20vMHJyN24?entry=ttu), just north of Braddock Road.

Had a look on some older USGS maps in that area, I'm not seeing Noxon.  I've never seen a siding facility by that name associated with the Seaboard line through the Green Swamp.  None of my old ghost town resources are coming up with anything either. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mapmikey on July 08, 2023, 10:27:45 PM
Noxon appears on this 1948 map (https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~206183~3002924:Florida-?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=w4s:/when%2F1948;q:florida;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=2&trs=6)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 08, 2023, 10:42:32 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on July 08, 2023, 10:27:45 PM
Noxon appears on this 1948 map (https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~206183~3002924:Florida-?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=w4s:/when%2F1948;q:florida;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=2&trs=6)

For clarity you're referring to the C.S. Hammond 1948 map of Florida?  That has Noxon on it, unfortunately the link to David Rumsey was pulling up 120,000 plus results.  And yes, Noxon is shown on the Seaboard line where it was suspected to be above.  Likely Noxon was nothing much more than a siding that never took off.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mapmikey on July 09, 2023, 10:38:53 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 08, 2023, 10:42:32 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on July 08, 2023, 10:27:45 PM
Noxon appears on this 1948 map (https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~206183~3002924:Florida-?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=w4s:/when%2F1948;q:florida;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=2&trs=6)



For clarity you're referring to the C.S. Hammond 1948 map of Florida?  That has Noxon on it, unfortunately the link to David Rumsey was pulling up 120,000 plus results.  And yes, Noxon is shown on the Seaboard line where it was suspected to be above.  Likely Noxon was nothing much more than a siding that never took off.


Correct...weird...the link goes directly to the map on both my laptop and PC but does what you described on my iPhone.

Anyway, I found it on another map (1978) that pinpoints its location a little better:
https://ufdc.ufl.edu/uf90000337/00001

This in turn allowed me to find it on historicaerials.  The best view is 1958, directly west of Kristina Ct (https://goo.gl/maps/Y1Ap7sZTcPgggvgaA)

Here is a picture of part of that siding from vintageaerials, 1983:
https://vintageaerial.com/photos/florida/polk/1983/RPO/29/12

But the distance to Auburndale doesn't match the RR mileage in the Wiki article.  The siding may have been further south, which is shown on the 1944 topo where the distance from Auburndale seems correct.  The 1952 aerial seems to show it gone by then with a new siding built further north as described above.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on July 09, 2023, 09:20:28 PM
SLDs and GIS show a bunch of new (unsigned) state roads as part of the Wekiva Parkway project (listed from west to east):
SR 461 (11000196) Old McDonald Road from new 46 underpass to old 46
SR 463 (11000193) Cypress Mill Access Road from new 46 to old 46
SR 460 (11000199) Cypress Mill Road from old 46 to old 46A
SR 465 (11000194) Sleepy Bear Lane from new 46 to old 46A
SR 462 (11000198) Deerwood Farms Road from dead end to old 46
SR 467 (11000197) Deerwood Farms Road from old 46 to new 46
SR 469 (11321000) Bear Pond Drive from new 46 to old 46
SR 466 (11322000) Bronson Road from Wekiva River Road to dead end

There are several pieces of old 46 that are still inventoried as SR 46:
461 to dead end west of 465
462 to dead end east of 467
dead end past 469 to dead end
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: RG407 on July 09, 2023, 11:52:49 PM
Quote from: NE2 on July 09, 2023, 09:20:28 PM
SLDs and GIS show a bunch of new (unsigned) state roads as part of the Wekiva Parkway project (listed from west to east)

Interesting how so many 46x's weren't already in use elsewhere. 

My guess is these are temporary designations made as part of the construction of the Wekiva Parkway and these roads will be turned over to local control at some point in the future.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on July 10, 2023, 05:06:44 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on July 09, 2023, 10:38:53 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 08, 2023, 10:42:32 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on July 08, 2023, 10:27:45 PM
Noxon appears on this 1948 map (https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~206183~3002924:Florida-?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=w4s:/when%2F1948;q:florida;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=2&trs=6)



For clarity you're referring to the C.S. Hammond 1948 map of Florida?  That has Noxon on it, unfortunately the link to David Rumsey was pulling up 120,000 plus results.  And yes, Noxon is shown on the Seaboard line where it was suspected to be above.  Likely Noxon was nothing much more than a siding that never took off.


Correct...weird...the link goes directly to the map on both my laptop and PC but does what you described on my iPhone.

Anyway, I found it on another map (1978) that pinpoints its location a little better:
https://ufdc.ufl.edu/uf90000337/00001
This one also shows two communities on the west and east sides of US 17-92 between Davenport and Loughman named "Numerous Potholes."
;-)

There's still one other irrelevant question I have which nobody has answered yet;

When was US 19-98 widened into a four-lane divided highway, and was the Gulf Hammock Wayside Park that Georgia-Pacific donated in 1969 part of the widening project?

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 10, 2023, 09:07:54 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on July 10, 2023, 05:06:44 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on July 09, 2023, 10:38:53 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 08, 2023, 10:42:32 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on July 08, 2023, 10:27:45 PM
Noxon appears on this 1948 map (https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~206183~3002924:Florida-?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=w4s:/when%2F1948;q:florida;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=2&trs=6)



For clarity you're referring to the C.S. Hammond 1948 map of Florida?  That has Noxon on it, unfortunately the link to David Rumsey was pulling up 120,000 plus results.  And yes, Noxon is shown on the Seaboard line where it was suspected to be above.  Likely Noxon was nothing much more than a siding that never took off.


Correct...weird...the link goes directly to the map on both my laptop and PC but does what you described on my iPhone.

Anyway, I found it on another map (1978) that pinpoints its location a little better:
https://ufdc.ufl.edu/uf90000337/00001
This one also shows two communities on the west and east sides of US 17-92 between Davenport and Loughman named "Numerous Potholes."
;-)

There's still one other irrelevant question I have which nobody has answered yet;

When was US 19-98 widened into a four-lane divided highway, and was the Gulf Hammock Wayside Park that Georgia-Pacific donated in 1969 part of the widening project?

Now known as "Old Tampa Highway."  Numerous Potholes would be a pretty fitting description of that old brick grade.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 26, 2023, 02:14:25 PM
https://i4beyond.com/alertemails/EB-I-4-exit71-to-Central-FL-Pkwy-closure-20230426.png
On the detour map they want drivers to go from SR 528 EB to I Drive SB not using the ramps. :-D
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on August 27, 2023, 08:35:23 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 26, 2023, 02:14:25 PM
https://i4beyond.com/alertemails/EB-I-4-exit71-to-Central-FL-Pkwy-closure-20230426.png
On the detour map they want drivers to go from SR 528 EB to I Drive SB not using the ramps. :-D
Of course nobody would follow that detour. People have been making the right turn at the end of the ramp anyway. When I used that ramp last month (to see what construction was going on), I turned left on Central Florida Parkway instead, then made the U-turn at Palm Parkway/Turkey Lake Road. Luckily didn't have to wait long for the light. But almost everyone else turned right...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 30, 2023, 06:55:51 PM
That canopy of diesel fuel pumps in Perry that was blown over by Hurricane Idalia;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UBMtgY2KE4
Was one that I took a picture of in May 2023.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Roady%27s_%26_Huddle_House_%40_Ware_Oil_in_Perry%2C_FL.jpg/1024px-Roady%27s_%26_Huddle_House_%40_Ware_Oil_in_Perry%2C_FL.jpg)
Zoom in on that canopy in the background for confirmation.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: The Ghostbuster on August 30, 2023, 07:08:28 PM
Does anyone live in Idalia's path? I'd hate for anything bad to happen to my fellow AARoads posters.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on August 30, 2023, 07:14:04 PM
My sister does, she is out near Brooksville.  She hasn't noted anything too spectacular from this storm. 

That said, given I also used to live in the area I'm amused that I actually was nominally affected by a storm out here in California.  Truth be told, I'm glad to have hurricane and tropical storm worries off my plate.  I hated being the Hurricane EM coordinator for my facilities and all that entailed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 30, 2023, 08:25:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 30, 2023, 07:14:04 PM
My sister does, she is out near Brooksville.  She hasn't noted anything too spectacular from this storm. 
Brooksville is nowhere near the path of Idalia. That doesn't mean that the city or any other part of Hernando County wasn't affected by it. My main concerns are places like Inglis, Gulf Hammock, Fanning Springs, and Old Town.

Inglis because of the "No Services" sign;
https://www.aaroads.com/fl/019/us-019-098-n-at-inglis-av.jpg
Gulf Hammock because of the old P&M logging locomotive (I still haven't received any info on whether there was a connection between the wayside and the widening of US 19-98);
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Patterson-McInnis_Sawmill_Locomotive_3-02.jpg
Fanning Springs because of the Agricultural Inspection station, the approaching signs and Levy CR 55A.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NB_US_19-ALT_27-98_Agricultural_Inspection_Gore_Sign.jpg

And Old Town because of the weigh station and the approaching signs.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NWB_US_19-ALT_27-98_View_of_Dixie_Co_Weigh_Station-01.jpg




Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on August 30, 2023, 08:33:13 PM
Why Gulf Hammock?  It and Otter Creek basically are both near ghost towns nowadays.  But no, I'm not aware of anyone in the road community that lives in Levy County.  Cedar Key looked rough in what videos I've seen thus far from Dock Street.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: edwaleni on August 30, 2023, 10:22:17 PM
All I know is that I-10 is closed from US-19 to FL-53.  FDOT says it will reopen at 12PM tonight, but judging by the water coming across east of the Monticello exit I doubt it. Is anyone stuck in the Monticello rest area?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: US 89 on August 30, 2023, 10:30:20 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on August 30, 2023, 07:08:28 PM
Does anyone live in Idalia's path? I'd hate for anything bad to happen to my fellow AARoads posters.

We got really lucky in Tallahassee. Although we were in a hurricane warning, the most we really got was 50-60 mph wind gusts. Despite these wind magnitudes being similar to what the city experienced in recent storms Hermine, Irma, and Michael, power outages were much more scattered and there wasn't too much damage beyond that. If the track had been just 30 miles to the west, which was a definite possibility up until late last night, things would have been far, far worse. That Perry gas station is about 40 miles SE of here down US 27.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Hunty2022 on August 30, 2023, 10:36:22 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on August 30, 2023, 07:08:28 PM
Does anyone live in Idalia's path? I'd hate for anything bad to happen to my fellow AARoads posters.

I don't live there, but I was in the path last weekend for my GA trip, which had a trip to Ocala. I left the path on Monday, though the reason wasn't because of the hurricane.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 30, 2023, 11:08:15 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 30, 2023, 08:33:13 PM
Why Gulf Hammock?  It and Otter Creek basically are both near ghost towns nowadays.  But no, I'm not aware of anyone in the road community that lives in Levy County.  Cedar Key looked rough in what videos I've seen thus far from Dock Street.
You're right they are. And Lebanon Station doesn't even have a Wikipedia article. I doubt there are even too many railfans in Levy County, let alone road enthusiasts such as us. But that old Patterson-McInnis Number 3 logging locomotive is still on display, and I'd hate to think that it could've been damaged by the storm, or worse, floated off the rails it was resting on.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on August 31, 2023, 08:13:58 AM
We didn't have any issues where I live, but Tampa did specifically along Hillsborough and Old Tampa Bays where storm surge rose significantly. Bayshore Boulevard was completely submerged toward the north end, and several stretches of Westshore Boulevard and many side streets along the Interbay Peninsula in South Tampa and Westshore also were. All three bridges were closed yesterday due to inundation of the causeways.

I took some photos in Tampa yesterday showing some of the street flooding and surge at Downtown (made the post public so anyone can view them here).
https://www.facebook.com/roadtofruition/posts/pfbid02GNFrCW8TmfN9jMtznWJxp24hPDFyYdjYWrjKMXYU2ZkcKrhYXwm4oB4dh4bScrV3l

Most people were off from school and work, so traffic was nonexistent. My Dad told me that there was also some street flooding locally along Gandy Boulevard where he is in St. Pete, but that the main roadway was still passable. I also overheard that Clearwater PD was initially not allowing FDOT crews in to survey damage along the coast.

I added some of the solely road based photos to the AARoads FB page as well: https://www.facebook.com/aaroads/posts/pfbid02ReSifFTpmzoahVeLgeGYgPxk7heWsUinuMipqJaU2UYuuYW7yrgFV1YpvJw18TDLl
Tolls were suspended along area roads, and were on Florida's Turnpike from I-4 northward on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: SilverMustang2011 on August 31, 2023, 11:03:30 AM
Quote from: Alex on August 31, 2023, 08:13:58 AM
We didn't have any issues where I live, but Tampa did specifically along Hillsborough and Old Tampa Bays where storm surge rose significantly. Bayshore Boulevard was completely submerged toward the north end, and several stretches of Westshore Boulevard and many side streets along the Interbay Peninsula in South Tampa and Westshore also were. All three bridges were closed yesterday due to inundation of the causeways.

I took some photos in Tampa yesterday showing some of the street flooding and surge at Downtown (made the post public so anyone can view them here).
https://www.facebook.com/roadtofruition/posts/pfbid02GNFrCW8TmfN9jMtznWJxp24hPDFyYdjYWrjKMXYU2ZkcKrhYXwm4oB4dh4bScrV3l

Most people were off from school and work, so traffic was nonexistent. My Dad told me that there was also some street flooding locally along Gandy Boulevard where he is in St. Pete, but that the main roadway was still passable. I also overheard that Clearwater PD was initially not allowing FDOT crews in to survey damage along the coast.

I added some of the solely road based photos to the AARoads FB page as well: https://www.facebook.com/aaroads/posts/pfbid02ReSifFTpmzoahVeLgeGYgPxk7heWsUinuMipqJaU2UYuuYW7yrgFV1YpvJw18TDLl
Tolls were suspended along area roads, and were on Florida's Turnpike from I-4 northward on Tuesday.

My parents were in Tampa as well but fortunately had little to no damage. They finally bit the bullet on a generator last year as well, so they had power. I just finished driving up from Stuart to Gainesville on Turnpike and I-75 and there was fortunately little to no damage on the roads or in town. In Orlando, Turnpike traffic was what I would guess is about normal for the morning rush hour. I know the big bend wasn't as lucky, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on August 31, 2023, 11:46:58 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on August 30, 2023, 11:08:15 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 30, 2023, 08:33:13 PM
Why Gulf Hammock?  It and Otter Creek basically are both near ghost towns nowadays.  But no, I'm not aware of anyone in the road community that lives in Levy County.  Cedar Key looked rough in what videos I've seen thus far from Dock Street.
You're right they are. And Lebanon Station doesn't even have a Wikipedia article. I doubt there are even too many railfans in Levy County, let alone road enthusiasts such as us. But that old Patterson-McInnis Number 3 logging locomotive is still on display, and I'd hate to think that it could've been damaged by the storm, or worse, floated off the rails it was resting on.

I used to spend a considerable amount of time in Levy County tracking down old sidings and rail grades.  I'm mostly glad that I took plenty of pictures of Otter Creek before all the unique old/overgrown buildings started to be torn down.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 01, 2023, 12:58:22 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 31, 2023, 11:46:58 AM
I used to spend a considerable amount of time in Levy County tracking down old sidings and rail grades.  I'm mostly glad that I took plenty of pictures of Otter Creek before all the unique old/overgrown buildings started to be torn down.
Good for you.


Here are some things I do know though;

When you're driving north along US 19-98 between Lebanon Station and just south of Chiefland, you can see the right-of-way for the old ACL line that used to run between Dunnellon and Thomasville, Georgia.

A historic aerials shot of Lebanon Station (https://historicaerials.com/?layer=map&zoom=12&lat=29.481667&lon=-82.862222) shows road construction northwest of the termini of FL 121 and what is today Levy CR 336 as far back as the late-1950's. Beyond that. it's a black space, so there's no way of knowing how long it took for the predecessors of the FDOT to finish widening the road, or how long of a segment of it they were working on at the time.

Georgia-Pacific donated the land for the wayside park in 1969 (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gulf_Hammock_GP_Wayside_Park;_US_19-98_(02).jpg). If US 19-98 wasn't finished being widened by then, why did it take so long and did GP do it as part of an attempt to enhance the road? And it if was finished before then, why did GP wait until that time to donate the land?


Both Gulf Hammock and Otter Creek still have post offices, despite being ghost towns. Lebanon Station doesn't, and even Usher doesn't. The only thing Usher has is a Florida State Forest ranger station and tower. 

Quote from: US 89 on August 30, 2023, 10:30:20 PM
That Perry gas station is about 40 miles SE of here down US 27.
It's actually a little further south than that (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Huddle+House/@30.0863659,-83.5730533,499m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x88eeaa18bdf37cdf:0xfcda3f2c020dcba8!8m2!3d30.086446!4d-83.5717294!16s%2Fg%2F1w456fmw?hl=en&entry=ttu).


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: The Ghostbuster on September 12, 2023, 03:55:53 PM
A long, mysterious yellow line has appeared on Interstate 95 south in the Jacksonville area: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/watch-mysterious-yellow-line-appears-on-23-miles-of-florida-highway/ar-AA1gC10L?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=0eb7c30da82f48d9b94a0f06b7c63ebd&ei=35#image=1. Maybe whoever put it there had a "yellow streak".
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 14, 2023, 03:22:32 PM
I've been working on a plan to split the Wikipedia infobox for FL 145, but now I'm starting to doubt that there still two separate 145s. Can anybody prove or disprove that the one in Fort Walton Beach still exists?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 15, 2023, 08:19:37 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on September 14, 2023, 03:22:32 PM
I've been working on a plan to split the Wikipedia infobox for FL 145, but now I'm starting to doubt that there still two separate 145s. Can anybody prove or disprove that the one in Fort Walton Beach still exists?

Still signed as of April '22 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/NkBaFx6f81uKYZgLA).

GIS data (as of 05/27/23) still shows it too.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 16, 2023, 08:49:49 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 15, 2023, 08:19:37 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on September 14, 2023, 03:22:32 PM
I've been working on a plan to split the Wikipedia infobox for FL 145, but now I'm starting to doubt that there still two separate 145s. Can anybody prove or disprove that the one in Fort Walton Beach still exists?

Still signed as of April '22 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/NkBaFx6f81uKYZgLA).

GIS data (as of 05/27/23) still shows it too.
Ahh, I was starting to think that was part of SR 85. Thanks for the tip,

New question;
Was this (https://historicaerials.com/?layer=map&zoom=15&lat=30.771389&lon=-81.976111) the site of the old US 1-23-301 Welcome Center in Boulogne?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 16, 2023, 09:45:11 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on September 16, 2023, 08:49:49 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 15, 2023, 08:19:37 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on September 14, 2023, 03:22:32 PM
I've been working on a plan to split the Wikipedia infobox for FL 145, but now I'm starting to doubt that there still two separate 145s. Can anybody prove or disprove that the one in Fort Walton Beach still exists?

Still signed as of April '22 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/NkBaFx6f81uKYZgLA).

GIS data (as of 05/27/23) still shows it too.
Ahh, I was starting to think that was part of SR 85. Thanks for the tip,

Nope, two separate routes there.
FL-85 is on Eglin Pkwy.
FL-145 is on Perry Ave/Ferry Rd there (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=fl.fl145fwb).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 19, 2023, 07:02:47 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 16, 2023, 09:45:11 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on September 16, 2023, 08:49:49 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 15, 2023, 08:19:37 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on September 14, 2023, 03:22:32 PM
I've been working on a plan to split the Wikipedia infobox for FL 145, but now I'm starting to doubt that there still two separate 145s. Can anybody prove or disprove that the one in Fort Walton Beach still exists?

Still signed as of April '22 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/NkBaFx6f81uKYZgLA).

GIS data (as of 05/27/23) still shows it too.
Ahh, I was starting to think that was part of SR 85. Thanks for the tip,

Nope, two separate routes there.
FL-85 is on Eglin Pkwy.
FL-145 is on Perry Ave/Ferry Rd there (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=fl.fl145fwb).

Yes, I see that. I also see that one leg of the southern terminus of 85 is a truck route, despite being only two lanes wide. My incorrect assumption was that the main route was originally 145, the truck route was the original 85, and FDOT decided to replace 145 with a relocated 85.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ElishaGOtis on November 04, 2023, 04:55:02 PM
It's been a while since someone posted here, but I saw something unusual within the SR-417 widening project.

I don't have any pictures, but you can sort-off tell when portions of the project's bridges were completed based on the shape of the concrete barrier. On some bridges, there is an F-shape barrier on one side, and a Constant-slope barrier on the other. It doesn't ruin the aesthetic (at least for me :pan:), but I do find it interesting. Does anyone have any info about when FDOT and CFX formally switched from F-shaped barriers to Constant-slope barriers for bridges? I'm assuming after the federal standards changed, but I'm not entirely sure. :hmmm:

Also, the active traffic management projects on 417 and 429 seem to be moving right along, with many signals in position. I'll be curious to see how it'll work once it's operational. :popcorn:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: pianocello on November 05, 2023, 02:30:40 PM
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on November 04, 2023, 04:55:02 PM
I don't have any pictures, but you can sort-off tell when portions of the project's bridges were completed based on the shape of the concrete barrier. On some bridges, there is an F-shape barrier on one side, and a Constant-slope barrier on the other. It doesn't ruin the aesthetic (at least for me :pan:), but I do find it interesting. Does anyone have any info about when FDOT and CFX formally switched from F-shaped barriers to Constant-slope barriers for bridges? I'm assuming after the federal standards changed, but I'm not entirely sure. :hmmm:

I'm assuming this is what you mean by F-shape barrier, though it's not unique to bridges: https://maps.app.goo.gl/AWRqzkZo1Ejxv9Zy6

If I'm right, then I think it was somewhere around 2018. I started my career in early 2019 and they were talking about the constant slope barrier being new around that time. And the I-4 Ultimate project is lined with the "old" style (after all, that's where my image came from), which indicates that the standards of the time of its design included that barrier type.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ElishaGOtis on November 06, 2023, 02:10:58 PM
Quote from: pianocello on November 05, 2023, 02:30:40 PM
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on November 04, 2023, 04:55:02 PM
I don't have any pictures, but you can sort-off tell when portions of the project's bridges were completed based on the shape of the concrete barrier. On some bridges, there is an F-shape barrier on one side, and a Constant-slope barrier on the other. It doesn't ruin the aesthetic (at least for me :pan:), but I do find it interesting. Does anyone have any info about when FDOT and CFX formally switched from F-shaped barriers to Constant-slope barriers for bridges? I'm assuming after the federal standards changed, but I'm not entirely sure. :hmmm:

I'm assuming this is what you mean by F-shape barrier, though it's not unique to bridges: https://maps.app.goo.gl/AWRqzkZo1Ejxv9Zy6

If I'm right, then I think it was somewhere around 2018. I started my career in early 2019 and they were talking about the constant slope barrier being new around that time. And the I-4 Ultimate project is lined with the "old" style (after all, that's where my image came from), which indicates that the standards of the time of its design included that barrier type.

Yes, exactly that. Thank you! :cool:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on November 15, 2023, 10:11:31 AM
If anyone is visiting Sea World in Orlando, the I-4 Central Florida Parkway interchange is a mess. Ramp closures and detours are present including the flyover from WB Central Florida Parkway to I-4 WB is closed.  Traffic on both directions of Central Florida are using the EB ramp to I-4 west with a temporary road as the Daryl Carter DDI appears to be realigning the Central Florida ramp to avoid future weaving between the two interchanges.

I have no clue why the I-4 ramp to EB Central Florida is closed. Traffic is detoured to Sea World via FL 528 and I Drive.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 15, 2023, 11:06:46 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 15, 2023, 10:11:31 AM
I have no clue why the I-4 ramp to EB Central Florida is closed. Traffic is detoured to Sea World via FL 528 and I Drive.
They're building a larger drainage culvert under I-4, and the hole on the east side is right next to the offramp. So they need to close the offramp to put equipment on it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on November 15, 2023, 07:43:41 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 15, 2023, 10:11:31 AM
If anyone is visiting Sea World in Orlando, the I-4 Central Florida Parkway interchange is a mess. Ramp closures and detours are present including the flyover from WB Central Florida Parkway to I-4 WB is closed.
The flyover ramp will be closed until sometime in early 2024.

QuoteI have no clue why the I-4 ramp to EB Central Florida is closed. Traffic is detoured to Sea World via FL 528 and I Drive.
It's not the entire offramp that's closed from I-4 east to Central Florida Pkwy, just the movement to CFP east toward I-Drive. You can still turn west to Turkey Lake Road, or as I've seen many do, just turn east onto CFP at the end of the ramp anyway, even though signs are posted no right turn.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on November 16, 2023, 05:09:01 PM
Quote from: FLRoads on November 15, 2023, 07:43:41 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 15, 2023, 10:11:31 AM
If anyone is visiting Sea World in Orlando, the I-4 Central Florida Parkway interchange is a mess. Ramp closures and detours are present including the flyover from WB Central Florida Parkway to I-4 WB is closed.
The flyover ramp will be closed until sometime in early 2024.

QuoteI have no clue why the I-4 ramp to EB Central Florida is closed. Traffic is detoured to Sea World via FL 528 and I Drive.
It's not the entire offramp that's closed from I-4 east to Central Florida Pkwy, just the movement to CFP east toward I-Drive. You can still turn west to Turkey Lake Road, or as I've seen many do, just turn east onto CFP at the end of the ramp anyway, even though signs are posted no right turn.

They need to cover the guide sign for Exit 71 as its control city is Sea World. That right turn ramp to be closed makes no sense unless they're adding a second lane to it, but with the Westwood Blvd intersection nearby they're going ( if that's what they're doing) would have to have an added phase and be turned into the John Young Parkway/ Greenwold Way intersection in Kissimmee with the ramp from Osceola Parkway.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on November 24, 2023, 01:11:26 AM
https://www.swflroads.com/project/444429-1
State website shows this project in design phase completed. Yet if you drive out to the intersection in person you will see that it's gone a lot further.

The new alignment proposed is been built just waiting to be opened. I drove by it today and saw the unopened completed road with the new stoplight in flash mode waiting to be activated.

Yet FDOT hasn't updated this page to show it progressed from design study to actual construction.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 24, 2023, 09:04:54 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 24, 2023, 01:11:26 AM
https://www.swflroads.com/project/444429-1
State website shows this project in design phase completed. Yet if you drive out to the intersection in person you will see that it's gone a lot further.

The new alignment proposed is been built just waiting to be opened. I drove by it today and saw the unopened completed road with the new stoplight in flash mode waiting to be activated.

Yet FDOT hasn't updated this page to show it progressed from design study to actual construction.

QuoteThis project has been completed and is only available for historical reference.

As for why only the study is on the site...maybe the county was in charge of construction?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ElishaGOtis on November 28, 2023, 08:21:57 PM
I found this set of PD&E studies for widening US-98 to 6 lanes in the Panhandle. It will convert many conventional signals into RCUT-based signals with double U-turn lanes  :-/, add some kind of interchange at US-331, and install a multi-use path along the whole corridor. There appear to be more RCUTs in Walton County than Bay County under the current proposals. "Superstreet" conversion seems like the gist of Walton county's section, especially given the Z-shaped crosswalks traversing each signal.

Walton County PD&E: https://nwflroads.com/projects/437179-1

Bay County West PD&E: https://nwflroads.com/projects/437179-2

Section currently under construction: https://nwflroads.com/projects/217838-3

I'm concerned about the future use of the corridor as an inter-city route and the cost of upgrades to others. In my opinion, despite the safety benefits, all these signals and crossovers could risk diverting even more traffic up to SR-20, which is already being studied for 4-lane widening in some parts.

What do y'all think of these projects?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jaxrunner on December 01, 2023, 08:00:15 PM
There is so much growth happening in Bay, Walton, Okaloosa and Santa Rosa countries along the US 98 corridor. Panama City Beach started the 6 laning project this fall. It's desperately needed, although it's going to take awhile to get built. I think flyover would be good for busy intersections. I heard the FL DOT has considering one at Nautilus and Clara Avenue on PCB. US 331 and 98 makes sense. I would like one at the Destin outlets at SR 293. I'm happy to see the Panhandle getting some money for their roads.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 05, 2023, 11:04:09 AM
Can anybody tell me anything about this series of faux Greek columns (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1431669,-80.9876638,3a,75y,219.57h,91.16t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sk7DKADucdU8uZPjWWuqDcw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Dk7DKADucdU8uZPjWWuqDcw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D244.41417%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&entry=ttu) on the southwest corner of US 1 and FL 421 in Port Orange? It looks like some kind of memorial. 

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on December 05, 2023, 02:34:33 PM
Construction is well underway for the SR 570B toll road in Polk. Imagery from 11-29-23:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/sr-570a-11-29-23.jpg)

Corrected 570A to 570B
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 05, 2023, 04:09:59 PM
Alex, I did not realize they FL 570A was already on track to be built when I was at your place in March.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: The Ghostbuster on December 05, 2023, 05:30:29 PM
I had thought the now-under-construction Central Polk Parkway was going to be numbered FL 570B. Also, which map site did you use in that picture, Alex? Google Maps does not show any construction off the end of Exit 14.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 05, 2023, 05:40:16 PM
Quote from: Alex on December 05, 2023, 02:34:33 PM
Construction is well underway for the SR 570A toll road in Polk. Imagery from 11-29-23:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/sr-570a-11-29-23.jpg)

I believe this will only build it to US 17 as from US 17 to SR 60 will get done later.

Then who knows when it will connect to I-4. US 27 through Davenport is a traffic nightmare from US 17-92 to I-4. Thst needs a bypass five years ago.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: sprjus4 on December 06, 2023, 08:37:43 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 05, 2023, 05:40:16 PM
Then who knows when it will connect to I-4. US 27 through Davenport is a traffic nightmare from US 17-92 to I-4. Thst needs a bypass five years ago.
Would FL-570 not provide a freeway link to I-4 already?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 07, 2023, 12:07:27 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 06, 2023, 08:37:43 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 05, 2023, 05:40:16 PM
Then who knows when it will connect to I-4. US 27 through Davenport is a traffic nightmare from US 17-92 to I-4. Thst needs a bypass five years ago.
Would FL-570 not provide a freeway link to I-4 already?
For Lakeland and Auburndale, sure. But it's the Davenport-Celebration-Kissimmee area that's getting the current traffic woes that Roadman is talking about. From this thread, I keep getting this nagging idea of a northern extension of FL-570 from the east end of I-4 to the western terminus of US 192 at US 27, and I'm not so sure how I feel about that.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on December 09, 2023, 02:53:49 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on December 07, 2023, 12:07:27 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 06, 2023, 08:37:43 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 05, 2023, 05:40:16 PM
Then who knows when it will connect to I-4. US 27 through Davenport is a traffic nightmare from US 17-92 to I-4. Thst needs a bypass five years ago.
Would FL-570 not provide a freeway link to I-4 already?
For Lakeland and Auburndale, sure. But it's the Davenport-Celebration-Kissimmee area that's getting the current traffic woes that Roadman is talking about. From this thread, I keep getting this nagging idea of a northern extension of FL-570 from the east end of I-4 to the western terminus of US 192 at US 27, and I'm not so sure how I feel about that.

It was an idea floated around. The former Orlando Orange County Expressway Authority put together the demands of Central Florida residents and proposed the east end of SR 570 to connect with the west end of SR 408 near Oakland, FL.

How they were going to get that being the Green Swamp is in between? Don't ask me how, as the Green Swamp is the only thing saving I-4 between Lakeland and Davenport from being overdeveloped with homes and more bedroom communities along the many already along all of I-4.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on December 09, 2023, 03:42:01 PM
The lack of an option of a north-south road connection between Poinciana Blvd. and US-27 seems to cause traffic woes in the Davenport/Loughman area. You have one choice that isn't I-4 hell.....Lake Wilson Rd. That and somehow US-17-92 is the only crossing of Reedy Creek between I-4 and Pleasant Hill Rd. in Poinciana.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 10, 2023, 07:00:12 PM
Speaking of US 17-92, I have a feeling that if FDOT were to decide to widen the rest of the road, they'd add a bypass around historic Davenport, or at least they'd try to. NYSDOT sought to do the same thing north of Smithtown and south of Setauket and Port Jefferson decades ago. Unfortunately, too much anti-highway zealotry lead to more traffic on what could've been "Old Route 25A."

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ElishaGOtis on January 01, 2024, 04:36:21 PM
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on June 10, 2023, 04:57:00 PM
Florida just enacted a number of laws involving roadway safety this legislative session. Some of these include
- HB 657 - Allows municipalities to install speed cameras within school zones ($100 fine, no points nor insurance increase, 10 MPH threshold)
- SB 766 - Allows school districts to make school bus stop signs photo enforced ($200 fine, no points nor insurance increase)
- HB 425 - Transportation package, including autonomous vehicles, corridor funding, and expanding the Move Over law to include all vehicles on shoulder

I wonder how these will be indicated on signage, especially the large number of signs currently stating "Move over for stopped emergency vehicles." I believe TN passed a similar law this year. :hmmm:

(still hoping for 75 MPH here... :crazy:)

To answer my own question, it seems that FLHSMV has proposed some new signs for the move over law

"FLORIDA LAW: MOVE OVER for Stopped Disabled and Emergency Vehicles"

(https://www.flhsmv.gov/wp-content/uploads/move_over_banner_24.jpg)

Not sure if this is the final text, but I'll be curious to see if any signs pop up given the law changed just today. For comparison, I was betting on one of these four variants:

"MOVE OVER [or Slow Down] for"
- "All Stopped Vehicles" (TN wording)
- "Stopped Vehicles with Flashing Lights" (AZ, MD, and OH wording, among other states)
- "Vehicles Stopped on Shoulder" (11th MUTCD wording)
- "Stopped Vehicles on Shoulder" (Word-of-mouth from FDOT employee)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: PColumbus73 on January 05, 2024, 07:37:33 PM
Just saw part of this video about the University Parkway interchange in Sarasota, FL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzYt3h36Llo&t=301s

The video shows the DDI that was installed at University Pkwy and I-75 and thru traffic backing up through the interchange.

To me it looks like the DDI was a miscalculation since the thru traffic is gridlocking the interchange. Either the DOT used the wrong interchange for the situation, or they didn't factor in the next intersection that leads to the mall.

Judging by the triple-left turn headed to the mall, they probably ought to have mixed some type of continuous flow design with the DDI (which I can imagine being an engineering nightmare). Another option could have been a new nearby overpass south of the current interchange connecting University Pkwy to the mall.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 09, 2024, 09:42:57 AM
https://maps.app.goo.gl/uosfMVpAa2VrvqKD7
This stub that the contractor who installed the cul de sac left behind here might finally be removed.

https://www.lakelandgov.net/news/posts/2023/october/public-notice-five-points-roundabout-construction-will-soon-start/

Right now the intersection that once was an alignment change for US 92 Business, is now being converted to a roundabout with the intersection currently closed to allow its construction. 

So the careless stub, will no doubt go, as drawing in article shows cul de sac will remain.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: doorknob60 on January 19, 2024, 05:56:12 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 15, 2023, 10:11:31 AM
If anyone is visiting Sea World in Orlando, the I-4 Central Florida Parkway interchange is a mess. Ramp closures and detours are present including the flyover from WB Central Florida Parkway to I-4 WB is closed.  Traffic on both directions of Central Florida are using the EB ramp to I-4 west with a temporary road as the Daryl Carter DDI appears to be realigning the Central Florida ramp to avoid future weaving between the two interchanges.

I have no clue why the I-4 ramp to EB Central Florida is closed. Traffic is detoured to Sea World via FL 528 and I Drive.

Oh that's annoying, I'm staying at a hotel right next to that interchange tomorrow. Didn't realize the closures until just now. I've stayed there a couple times before and the ramp there was super convenient. I'll probably just take the illegal right turn (unless the ramp/stop sign is backed up), going the long way around would probably add close to 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: sprjus4 on January 19, 2024, 06:16:30 PM
Curious from those who have driven in the area, how has the new FL-429 beltway been at avoiding I-4 / bypassing Orlando, now that it is finished (or mostly finished) along the former / upgraded FL-46?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on January 19, 2024, 11:45:08 PM
FL-429 is.... fine. The problem remains I-4 between FL-429 and US-27. The result is FL-429 backs up to around Exit 1 most days. There is a new aux lane between the FL-429 onramp and the offramp for Exit 58 (CR-532) that recently opened. Somehow I doubt its going to improve too much.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: SilverMustang2011 on January 20, 2024, 11:20:38 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on January 19, 2024, 11:45:08 PM
FL-429 is.... fine. The problem remains I-4 between FL-429 and US-27. The result is FL-429 backs up to around Exit 1 most days. There is a new aux lane between the FL-429 onramp and the offramp for Exit 58 (CR-532) that recently opened. Somehow I doubt its going to improve too much.

Per the "Beyond the Ultimate" website, FDOT plans to add two express lanes on I-4 to west of US-27 in the long term, but they mention maintaining the three general use lanes and adding auxiliary lanes. At the least, I wish they would add an EB aux lane between Exits 55 and 58 asap, as the two lanes from US-27 have to merge into the general purpose lanes and contribute to traffic almost always backing up there.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on January 27, 2024, 12:03:47 AM
Speaking of which... the final segment of Wekiva Parkway (SR 429) opens to traffic tonight into Saturday morning!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 27, 2024, 06:28:23 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on January 27, 2024, 12:03:47 AM
Speaking of which... the final segment of Wekiva Parkway (SR 429) opens to traffic tonight into Saturday morning!

Hope somebody can double check the new exit numbers on the final section.  They seem to keep changing for some odd reason.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Avalanchez71 on January 27, 2024, 06:44:59 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on January 27, 2024, 12:03:47 AM
Speaking of which... the final segment of Wekiva Parkway (SR 429) opens to traffic tonight into Saturday morning!

:ded:
More waste of funds.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ElishaGOtis on January 28, 2024, 10:51:56 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 27, 2024, 06:28:23 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on January 27, 2024, 12:03:47 AM
Speaking of which... the final segment of Wekiva Parkway (SR 429) opens to traffic tonight into Saturday morning!

Hope somebody can double check the new exit numbers on the final section.  They seem to keep changing for some odd reason.

The new numbers are much better than the original proposal imho.


Exit numbers on I-4, however, need a second look... many are downright contradictory :wow:

Rest of the interchange is quite nice completed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on January 28, 2024, 11:16:21 PM
Here are the I-4 exits: https://maps.app.goo.gl/9JJjKotdB4bAiMj18

The FL-46 exit is being renumbered to Exit 101D, while FL-429 south is going to be Exit 101C.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 29, 2024, 02:43:04 AM
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on January 28, 2024, 10:51:56 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 27, 2024, 06:28:23 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on January 27, 2024, 12:03:47 AM
Speaking of which... the final segment of Wekiva Parkway (SR 429) opens to traffic tonight into Saturday morning!

Hope somebody can double check the new exit numbers on the final section.  They seem to keep changing for some odd reason.

The new numbers are much better than the original proposal imho.


  • Exit 54 - Rinehart Rd
  • Exit 55A - I-4 both directions
  • Exit 55B - Int'l Pkwy / Heathrow

Exit numbers on I-4, however, need a second look... many are downright contradictory :wow:

Rest of the interchange is quite nice completed.

So, this signage (https://maps.app.goo.gl/Kxo6T2nMAs3ZVygV6) has been 'fixed'?

I'm just super confused when it comes to the numbering scheme there so I can fix up both FL-429 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&r=fl.fl429) & FL-417 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&r=fl.fl429) over @ TM.

Pictures would also be really welcomed to lay any confusion to rest too! :)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 29, 2024, 07:39:49 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on January 28, 2024, 11:16:21 PM
Here are the I-4 exits: https://maps.app.goo.gl/9JJjKotdB4bAiMj18

The FL-46 exit is being renumbered to Exit 101D, while FL-429 south is going to be Exit 101C.

Using Mount Dora on SR 46 is not a good idea anymore being SR 46 west leads you now TO SR 429 to that place. Therefore you might as well stay on I-4 to SR 429.

Plus the SR 46 guide should be amended to include SOUTH US 17/ WEST US 92 being just to the east of that said interchange begins a 3 mile overlap with SR 46 since the former US 17/92 along Lake Monroe got relinquished to the City of Sanford and the US routes were realigned.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ElishaGOtis on January 29, 2024, 11:34:16 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 29, 2024, 02:43:04 AM
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on January 28, 2024, 10:51:56 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 27, 2024, 06:28:23 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on January 27, 2024, 12:03:47 AM
Speaking of which... the final segment of Wekiva Parkway (SR 429) opens to traffic tonight into Saturday morning!

Hope somebody can double check the new exit numbers on the final section.  They seem to keep changing for some odd reason.

The new numbers are much better than the original proposal imho.


  • Exit 54 - Rinehart Rd
  • Exit 55A - I-4 both directions
  • Exit 55B - Int'l Pkwy / Heathrow

Exit numbers on I-4, however, need a second look... many are downright contradictory :wow:

Rest of the interchange is quite nice completed.

So, this signage (https://maps.app.goo.gl/Kxo6T2nMAs3ZVygV6) has been 'fixed'?

I'm just super confused when it comes to the numbering scheme there so I can fix up both FL-429 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&r=fl.fl429) & FL-417 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&r=fl.fl429) over @ TM.

Pictures would also be really welcomed to lay any confusion to rest too! :)

Apparently they were just changed again from both my travels and that GSV image. Still in transition though, I'd give it some time.

I made a huge mistake with regards to this interchange on Waze... :-(
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on January 29, 2024, 10:36:24 PM
I'm impressed that they managed to build both bypasses to be nearly the exact same length.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: The Ghostbuster on January 30, 2024, 11:47:36 AM
Weren't the FL 417 and FL 429 bypasses originally to have had only one number: FL 417? It made sense to give the bypasses two numbers. The only thing I disagree with is I think the FL 414 designation should have ended at FL 429, and not duplexed with 429 to US 441.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ElishaGOtis on January 30, 2024, 12:57:03 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 30, 2024, 11:47:36 AM
Weren't the FL 417 and FL 429 bypasses originally to have had only one number: FL 417? It made sense to give the bypasses two numbers. The only thing I disagree with is I think the FL 414 designation should have ended at FL 429, and not duplexed with 429 to US 441.

The single route COULD be achieved by an interstate designation, if Florida goes down the Oklahoma path. :bigass:

However, you have a point with 414. Kinda strange how it terminates in the middle of the thoroughfare...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: sprjus4 on January 30, 2024, 01:36:09 PM
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on January 30, 2024, 12:57:03 PM
The single route COULD be achieved by an interstate designation, if Florida goes down the Oklahoma path. :bigass:
I feel like a single route would cause more confusion then help... look at I-295 in Jacksonville. It's a single route but you have an "east" and "west" beltway that are two different corridors effectively.

Quote
However, you have a point with 414. Kinda strange how it terminates in the middle of the thoroughfare...
My guess is that is supposed to be a "bypass" for US-441 - but I agree it's not necessary... it should just end at FL-429.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ElishaGOtis on January 30, 2024, 02:32:27 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on January 30, 2024, 01:36:09 PM
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on January 30, 2024, 12:57:03 PM
The single route COULD be achieved by an interstate designation, if Florida goes down the Oklahoma path. :bigass:
I feel like a single route would cause more confusion then help... look at I-295 in Jacksonville. It's a single route but you have an "east" and "west" beltway that are two different corridors effectively.

While there are examples of beltways that aren't a "perfect" loop, given the precedent in Jacksonville (which IS a perfect loop), I completely agree with your rationale.
The biggest challenge in ensuring a single route could be maintained is the merge point of 429, 417, and I-4. Currently, each side of the Orlando beltway IS a separate highway, with the only direct connection being at the Wekiva interchange. Even if C/D ramps were extended from World Dr to 429, it doesn't negate the fact there's a north/south redundancy. Unless Mickey Mouse wants to upgrade Osceola, I think they will stay completely separate.

Not to mention each side has independent exit numbers (for the most part) and different names, 429 being Webster Beltway/Wekiva Pkwy and 417 being Seminole Expy/CFL GreeneWay.

Quote from: sprjus4 on January 30, 2024, 01:36:09 PM
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on January 30, 2024, 12:57:03 PM
However, you have a point with 414. Kinda strange how it terminates in the middle of the thoroughfare...
My guess is that is supposed to be a "bypass" for US-441 - but I agree it's not necessary... it should just end at FL-429.

After seeing this, the NUMBER makes sense (1 and 4 switched) with respect to where the expressway portion begins and ends, but since it serves that purpose as a bypass of 441, maybe it should have been extended on what is now 453? :hmmm:

(edit: quotes fixed)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 30, 2024, 04:15:35 PM
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on January 30, 2024, 12:57:03 PM

However, you have a point with 414. Kinda strange how it terminates in the middle of the thoroughfare...


That's cause the part of SR 429 that has the SR 414 co-signed was originally intended to be solo SR 414 as part of the John Landis Apopka Bypass. SR 451 was SR 429 until the Parkway alignment got moved further west so it aligned itself with the John Landis and SR 429 got moved onto part of that as well.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: The Ghostbuster on January 30, 2024, 04:24:03 PM
FL 429's old alignment just south of Exit 30 is still easily seen along its former right-of-way: https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6489743,-81.5375526,1418m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu. I expect the land to eventually be developed, so only FL 453 will remain of old 429.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 30, 2024, 05:32:57 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 30, 2024, 04:24:03 PM
so only FL 453 will remain of old 429.

FL-451*  :sombrero:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 30, 2024, 06:40:25 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 30, 2024, 05:32:57 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 30, 2024, 04:24:03 PM
so only FL 453 will remain of old 429.

FL-451*  :sombrero:

Everyone gets an I-x04! (except 104, 404, 704, and 804; those are taken; and that's the end of my off-topic renumbering plan.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Jaxrunner on January 30, 2024, 06:49:53 PM
I think an Interstate 404 would be cool. This would be fitting for the SR 417 & SR 429, however this probably belongs in fictional roads.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 30, 2024, 07:29:02 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 30, 2024, 04:24:03 PM
FL 429's old alignment just south of Exit 30 is still easily seen along its former right-of-way: https://www.google.com/maps/@28.6489743,-81.5375526,1418m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu. I expect the land to eventually be developed, so only FL 453 will remain of old 429.

Yup FL 453 will remain as a spur just as FL 451 to FL 46 east of Mount Dora.🤣😂 :-D
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Apopka,+FL/@28.6740054,-81.5682494,12.91z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x88e77739cc157c19:0xd71d0f8ffc80e888!8m2!3d28.6934076!4d-81.5322149!16zL20vMHJwZmY?entry=ttu
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: The Ghostbuster on January 30, 2024, 07:46:04 PM
I do know where FL 451 and FL 453 are. I just mistyped it. Oops!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on January 30, 2024, 07:57:06 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 30, 2024, 07:46:04 PM
I do know where FL 451 and FL 453 are. I just mistyped it. Oops!


That's okay. Be glad I'm not like some other users on here who love to use people with typos to boost their egos during inferiority complexes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ElishaGOtis on January 30, 2024, 09:04:19 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 30, 2024, 06:40:25 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 30, 2024, 05:32:57 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 30, 2024, 04:24:03 PM
so only FL 453 will remain of old 429.

FL-451*  :sombrero:

Everyone gets an I-x04! (except 104, 404, 704, and 804; those are taken; and that's the end of my off-topic renumbering plan.)

Quote from: Jaxrunner on January 30, 2024, 06:49:53 PM
I think an Interstate 404 would be cool. This would be fitting for the SR 417 & SR 429, however this probably belongs in fictional roads.

FDOT was (is?) legitimately proposing "SR-504" as the designation for the east extension of SR-408...
https://fip.fdot.gov/Studies/Details/70

Yes, it follows SR-50 but even then, the current 408 acts as a bypass to 50 despite being on a separate corridor. I-504 for both SR-408 and SR-504 wouldn't be too far fetched, and I have a hunch this possibility was considered in the number selection. While most of the ideas for what 528 or 429/417 could be as an Interstate are certainly fictional, maybe that isn't as much the case with an I-504?

Also, what are the protocols for designating an existing state-funded tollway as an interstate? FHWA seems to indicate that funding sources and access management approvals are the main elements, but if those were the case, wouldn't there be a lot more tollways as interstates in FL (outside of 275 & 75)?

It almost seems like the proposals for interstate tollways in FL are missing... it must be an error, especially for I-404  :bigass: :bigass: :bigass: :bigass: /s
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: The Ghostbuster on January 30, 2024, 11:01:33 PM
Forget the 3di pipe dreams. Hardly any of the toll roads in Florida are a part of the Interstate System. I don't expect any new toll roads to become Interstates in the future.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on February 10, 2024, 07:24:23 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/florida-lawmakers-hit-brakes-on-left-lane-drivers/

New law targeting left lane campers.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: SilverMustang2011 on February 12, 2024, 11:31:34 AM
 :cool: :confused:
Quote from: roadman65 on February 10, 2024, 07:24:23 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/florida-lawmakers-hit-brakes-on-left-lane-drivers/

New law targeting left lane campers.

A much-needed law in Florida, IMO. Whenever I drive on I-75, I-95, I-4, or The Turnpike, I'm pretty much guaranteed to be moving all around the interstate to pass people who don't realize you're supposed to be passing in the left lane and keeping up with the pace of traffic in it. I do wonder how this law could be effectively enforced though. It's hard to catch someone hogging the left lane if you're a cop since everyone slows down when they see one on the highway.
Title: Updated photos at I-4/Wekiva Parkway
Post by: Alex on February 13, 2024, 10:13:03 AM
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on January 29, 2024, 11:34:16 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 29, 2024, 02:43:04 AM
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on January 28, 2024, 10:51:56 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 27, 2024, 06:28:23 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on January 27, 2024, 12:03:47 AM
Speaking of which... the final segment of Wekiva Parkway (SR 429) opens to traffic tonight into Saturday morning!

Hope somebody can double check the new exit numbers on the final section.  They seem to keep changing for some odd reason.

The new numbers are much better than the original proposal imho.


  • Exit 54 - Rinehart Rd
  • Exit 55A - I-4 both directions
  • Exit 55B - Int'l Pkwy / Heathrow

Exit numbers on I-4, however, need a second look... many are downright contradictory :wow:

Rest of the interchange is quite nice completed.

So, this signage (https://maps.app.goo.gl/Kxo6T2nMAs3ZVygV6) has been 'fixed'?

I'm just super confused when it comes to the numbering scheme there so I can fix up both FL-429 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&r=fl.fl429) & FL-417 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&r=fl.fl429) over @ TM.

Pictures would also be really welcomed to lay any confusion to rest too! :)

Apparently they were just changed again from both my travels and that GSV image. Still in transition though, I'd give it some time.

I made a huge mistake with regards to this interchange on Waze... :-(

Just finished posting updates for SR 429 north from SR 453 to I-4, I-4 east from Lake Mary Boulevard to Dirksen Drive, and I-4 west from Dirksen Drive to Lake Mary Boulevard with photos I took while roadding with roadman65 yesterday. Lots of sign changes on I-4, and the exit renumbering on SR 429 reflecting SR 417's system instead of SR 429 at I-4/International Parkway.
https://www.aaroads.com/updates/

Addressing the finalized exit numbers. SR 429 north a International Parkway is Exit 55 B, and the ramps to I-4 are collectively Exit 55 A:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/429/fl-429-n-exit-055-5.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/429/fl-429-n-exit-055-5.jpg)

I-4 east to SR 417 south is Exit 101 B, SR 429 south is Exit 101 C and SR 46 is Exit 101 D. The exit numbers are posted on the I-4 eastbound mainline, but not on overheads for SR 417/46 beyond the gore point:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-e-exit-101-11.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-e-exit-101-11.jpg)

The exit tabs on I-4 westbound have not been updated to reflect the renumber of Exit 101 C for SR 46 as Exit 101 D. So once on the c/d roadway for SR 429, SR 417 and CR 46A, tarps cover the tab for Exit 101 C to SR 429 south, since prior guide signs still show SR 46 as Exit 101 C (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-w-exit-101-6.jpg).

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-w-exit-101-9.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-w-exit-101-9.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on February 13, 2024, 10:26:30 AM
This sign seen in one of the photos on the updates page seems quite unnecessarily wide:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/429/fl-429-n-exit-050-13.jpg)
Title: Re: Updated photos at I-4/Wekiva Parkway
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 13, 2024, 08:50:55 PM
Quote from: Alex on February 13, 2024, 10:13:03 AM
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on January 29, 2024, 11:34:16 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 29, 2024, 02:43:04 AM
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on January 28, 2024, 10:51:56 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 27, 2024, 06:28:23 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on January 27, 2024, 12:03:47 AM
Speaking of which... the final segment of Wekiva Parkway (SR 429) opens to traffic tonight into Saturday morning!

Hope somebody can double check the new exit numbers on the final section.  They seem to keep changing for some odd reason.

The new numbers are much better than the original proposal imho.


  • Exit 54 - Rinehart Rd
  • Exit 55A - I-4 both directions
  • Exit 55B - Int'l Pkwy / Heathrow

Exit numbers on I-4, however, need a second look... many are downright contradictory :wow:

Rest of the interchange is quite nice completed.

So, this signage (https://maps.app.goo.gl/Kxo6T2nMAs3ZVygV6) has been 'fixed'?

I'm just super confused when it comes to the numbering scheme there so I can fix up both FL-429 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&r=fl.fl429) & FL-417 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&r=fl.fl429) over @ TM.

Pictures would also be really welcomed to lay any confusion to rest too! :)

Apparently they were just changed again from both my travels and that GSV image. Still in transition though, I'd give it some time.

I made a huge mistake with regards to this interchange on Waze... :-(

Just finished posting updates for SR 429 north from SR 453 to I-4, I-4 east from Lake Mary Boulevard to Dirksen Drive, and I-4 west from Dirksen Drive to Lake Mary Boulevard with photos I took while roadding with roadman65 yesterday. Lots of sign changes on I-4, and the exit renumbering on SR 429 reflecting SR 417's system instead of SR 429 at I-4/International Parkway.
https://www.aaroads.com/updates/

Addressing the finalized exit numbers. SR 429 north a International Parkway is Exit 55 B, and the ramps to I-4 are collectively Exit 55 A:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/429/fl-429-n-exit-055-5.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/429/fl-429-n-exit-055-5.jpg)

I-4 east to SR 417 south is Exit 101 B, SR 429 south is Exit 101 C and SR 46 is Exit 101 D. The exit numbers are posted on the I-4 eastbound mainline, but not on overheads for SR 417/46 beyond the gore point:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-e-exit-101-11.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-e-exit-101-11.jpg)

The exit tabs on I-4 westbound have not been updated to reflect the renumber of Exit 101 C for SR 46 as Exit 101 D. So once on the c/d roadway for SR 429, SR 417 and CR 46A, tarps cover the tab for Exit 101 C to SR 429 south, since prior guide signs still show SR 46 as Exit 101 C (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-w-exit-101-6.jpg).

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-w-exit-101-9.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/fl/004/i-004-w-exit-101-9.jpg)

Thanks for those Alex.  Will fix up the numbering on FL-429 tonight for TM.

So, on FL-417, Rinhard Road stayed as 54, and I-4 is now 55A, correct?  I'm gonna assume the I-4 number change is the only changes for that route I have to make to have it up-to-date as well.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Henry on February 13, 2024, 09:45:05 PM
I see Orlando has pulled a Jacksonville with its "East Beltway"/"West Beltway" labels. Great pics!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on February 13, 2024, 09:49:01 PM
That SR 46 guide is odd. The long rectangle instead of a small square to feature a lone shield with no control city is which I'm referring to.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on February 14, 2024, 11:41:51 AM
Too bad I didn't know about this. I'm actually in the neighborhood (stuck in traffic somewhere in "Davenport").
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on February 15, 2024, 09:59:20 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on February 14, 2024, 11:41:51 AM
Too bad I didn't know about this. I'm actually in the neighborhood (stuck in traffic somewhere in "Davenport").

Davenport has one of the last bunch of Kodachrome shields, if you have the chance.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 16, 2024, 06:52:59 PM
Will someone tell this woman that I-175 in St. Petersburg was NOT built to perpetuate racism?
https://baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2024/02/15/hidden-historic-campbell-park--a-revealing-walking-tour-offers-a-look-at-african-american-history-in-st--pete

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Rothman on February 16, 2024, 07:07:58 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 16, 2024, 06:52:59 PM
Will someone tell this woman that I-175 in St. Petersburg was NOT built to perpetuate racism?
https://baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2024/02/15/hidden-historic-campbell-park--a-revealing-walking-tour-offers-a-look-at-african-american-history-in-st--pete
No.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on February 16, 2024, 11:28:47 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 16, 2024, 06:52:59 PM
Will someone tell this woman that I-175 in St. Petersburg was NOT built to perpetuate racism?
https://baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2024/02/15/hidden-historic-campbell-park--a-revealing-walking-tour-offers-a-look-at-african-american-history-in-st--pete



People are always stubborn. Right now you ain't going to change minds and with the freeway revolution on some cities, it's a good bandwagon to ensure unity once again.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 17, 2024, 12:14:33 AM
Urban freeways are just the villain of the day. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 17, 2024, 01:41:11 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 16, 2024, 11:28:47 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 16, 2024, 06:52:59 PM
Will someone tell this woman that I-175 in St. Petersburg was NOT built to perpetuate racism?
https://baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2024/02/15/hidden-historic-campbell-park--a-revealing-walking-tour-offers-a-look-at-african-american-history-in-st--pete



People are always stubborn. Right now you ain't going to change minds and with the freeway revolution on some cities, it's a good bandwagon to ensure unity once again.
What they're creating is the delusion of unity. They're thinking "Oh, now I can cross the street and meet my neighbors because the big, bad highway isn't blocking my view." But it's not true, because all they're creating is a surface road that has endless stop and go traffic, and thus more traffic jams, more air pollution, and more of a risk of accidents from people being hit by cars that would otherwise avoid contact with them.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: vdeane on February 17, 2024, 04:42:53 PM
^ Largely agreed.  It's more a perception because it's objectively more safe and easier to walk over or under a freeway than it is to cross the same number of lanes at-grade, but people don't feel that way because the freeway makes them feel "uncomfortable" (and also because they're not waiting as long to cross the boulevard as they would be if they weren't jaywalking).  That said, I-175 and I-375 are both short spurs that don't really go anywhere, so they probably wouldn't be missed much if they were to go away.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ElishaGOtis on February 17, 2024, 07:34:15 PM
In my opinion, I-175 is a great candidate for a cap between MLKJ St & 8th Street. While only one block, the segment definitely has potential as a "proof of concept." It's probably one of the only examples that exist in Florida due to the high water table.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/aojFDU4zHfwfvR3c9

EDIT: Found another possible location in Lakeland for such, but this one is not on a Freeway. https://maps.app.goo.gl/7zbmjvRw6hv2u8bB6
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: The Ghostbuster on February 18, 2024, 11:31:12 AM
While Interstate 175 never had exit numbers, I believe Interstate 375's exits were once numbered 1 and 2. While I believe Interstates 175 and 375 were to have gotten exit numbers during the preliminary planning of converting Florida's Interstate exit to mileage-based, they obviously decided to leave the freeways with unnumbered exits. They also didn't renumber Interstate 110's exit numbers either.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 18, 2024, 04:36:39 PM
Well, I know both were planned for extensions west and north of I-275.

Quote from: ElishaGOtis on February 17, 2024, 07:34:15 PM
Found another possible location in Lakeland for such, but this one is not on a Freeway. https://maps.app.goo.gl/7zbmjvRw6hv2u8bB6
I keep thinking that this had a proposed extension that was never built as well. I saw the historic aerials of this road and the changes through the times. But I also know that south of the Polk Parkway, there's a right-of-way along unmarked Harden Boulevard for potential new lanes. I also know that southwest of the abrupt terminus at West Pipkin Road, there's a street named "Old Route 37. That makes me think SR 563 was originally supposed to end at SR 37 south of Lakeland.



Title: Re: Florida
Post by: SilverMustang2011 on February 19, 2024, 11:42:16 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 18, 2024, 04:36:39 PM
Well, I know both were planned for extensions west and north of I-275.


I-275's interchange with 31st Street South was also part of that planned freeway system that never came to be: https://maps.app.goo.gl/rrsrhvL7AvMT2W579. Given that it's 1-2 miles west of the I-175 junction, I wonder if this freeway was supposed to connect with the I-175 extension, where SB 275 would have gotten access to it from the 175 interchange, which also would have had access to NB 275.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on February 20, 2024, 10:05:22 AM
Quote from: SilverMustang2011 on February 19, 2024, 11:42:16 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 18, 2024, 04:36:39 PM
Well, I know both were planned for extensions west and north of I-275.


I-275's interchange with 31st Street South was also part of that planned freeway system that never came to be: https://maps.app.goo.gl/rrsrhvL7AvMT2W579. Given that it's 1-2 miles west of the I-175 junction, I wonder if this freeway was supposed to connect with the I-175 extension, where SB 275 would have gotten access to it from the 175 interchange, which also would have had access to NB 275.

See this post from 2013 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg227748;topicseen#msg227748) and the corresponding 1970s map I scanned.
There was not a planned extension of I-175, but I-375 had one on the 1985 Recommended Principal Street and Highway Plan that Dan linked to at http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00017174/00001/2x?vo=32&vp=0,3777
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: SilverMustang2011 on February 20, 2024, 02:25:35 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 18, 2024, 04:36:39 PM
See this post from 2013 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg227748;topicseen#msg227748) and the corresponding 1970s map I scanned.
There was not a planned extension of I-175, but I-375 had one on the 1985 Recommended Principal Street and Highway Plan that Dan linked to at http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00017174/00001/2x?vo=32&vp=0,3777

Thank you for clearing that up. I've read about the scrapped freeways in Pinellas County before but that's the first time I've seen their intended routes. Having all of the freeways they intended to put in would be overkill, but it's been interesting growing up in the area and seeing all and the projects and headaches Pinellas County has had trying to fix traffic from building nothing except 275 (Making parts of US-19 and Gandy Blvd fully limited-access, Gateway Express, and 6-laning almost all arterial roads come to mind)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 20, 2024, 03:22:33 PM
Quote from: SilverMustang2011 on February 20, 2024, 02:25:35 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 18, 2024, 04:36:39 PM
See this post from 2013 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg227748;topicseen#msg227748) and the corresponding 1970s map I scanned.
There was not a planned extension of I-175, but I-375 had one on the 1985 Recommended Principal Street and Highway Plan that Dan linked to at http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00017174/00001/2x?vo=32&vp=0,3777

Thank you for clearing that up. I've read about the scrapped freeways in Pinellas County before but that's the first time I've seen their intended routes. Having all of the freeways they intended to put in would be overkill, but it's been interesting growing up in the area and seeing all and the projects and headaches Pinellas County has had trying to fix traffic from building nothing except 275 (Making parts of US-19 and Gandy Blvd fully limited-access, Gateway Express, and 6-laning almost all arterial roads come to mind)
It was actually Alex who wrote that message, but yeah.

Whenever I drive on any of the roads of Pinellas County, I tend to compare it to driving in the Bronx... except when I'm on I-275, I-375, and I-175. The point of building all those roads as well as some of the other scrapped freeways shown was simply to get drivers from point-a to point-b more easily. Not just white drivers, but all drivers. It was never about keeping the black man or the brown man down, even in the south which has been so infamous for its ridiculous Jim Crow laws, and sundown towns. 

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 20, 2024, 03:43:09 PM
Okay, onto another topic;

I've been working on an attempt to expand the Wikipedia article on hidden Florida State Road 500. That has lead me to work on other roads that overlap SR 500, including many that I've worked on in the past which have been given citation tags. This require snagging archived pages of Robert V. Droz's old US Highways website (https://web.archive.org/web/20130928140651/http://www.us-highways.com/flus441.htm), but it has also lead me to Historic Aerials.

And Historic Aerials has confirmed that Magnolia Avenue and Old Gainesville Highway in northern Ocala are historically connected (https://historicaerials.com/?layer=map&zoom=12&lat=29.187778&lon=-82.130556), and thus were both "Old 441." And one map on that site confirms the existence of an Alternate US 441 there.


Now, I have work on finding the evidence regarding US Business 441 in the Mount Dora area.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: LilianaUwU on February 22, 2024, 12:37:04 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 20, 2024, 03:43:09 PM
I've been working on an attempt to expand the Wikipedia article on hidden Florida State Road 500.
Don't even bother doing so. No matter what sources you'll provide, they'll find an excuse to consider it not good enough.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 22, 2024, 03:36:20 PM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on February 22, 2024, 12:37:04 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 20, 2024, 03:43:09 PM
I've been working on an attempt to expand the Wikipedia article on hidden Florida State Road 500.
Don't even bother doing so. No matter what sources you'll provide, they'll find an excuse to consider it not good enough.
Hey, I've got to do something with it. Eventually, it should be duplicated on the AARoads Wiki.

On another topic, there's the intersection with FL 326 and Marion CR 35. (https://www.google.com/maps/place/29%C2%B020'17.9%22N+82%C2%B006'46.1%22W/@29.241637,-82.0538044,503m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d29.3383!4d-82.1128?hl=en&entry=ttu) If there's going to be a jughandle at this intersection for CR 35, shouldn't there be another one for both sides of SR 326?

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mapmikey on February 22, 2024, 09:09:07 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 20, 2024, 03:43:09 PM
Okay, onto another topic;

I've been working on an attempt to expand the Wikipedia article on hidden Florida State Road 500. That has lead me to work on other roads that overlap SR 500, including many that I've worked on in the past which have been given citation tags. This require snagging archived pages of Robert V. Droz's old US Highways website (https://web.archive.org/web/20130928140651/http://www.us-highways.com/flus441.htm), but it has also lead me to Historic Aerials.

And Historic Aerials has confirmed that Magnolia Avenue and Old Gainesville Highway in northern Ocala are historically connected (https://historicaerials.com/?layer=map&zoom=12&lat=29.41167&lon=-82.11), and thus were both "Old 441." And one map on that site confirms the existence of an Alternate US 441 there.


Now, I have work on finding the evidence regarding US Business 441 in the Mount Dora area.




Droz' site has 441 Business existing in the 1950s.  However, modern 441 hadn't even been started for construction per the 1959 aerial.

FDOT requested US 441 ALT in 1964 for the former routing through Mt Dora, which AASHO declined (post it as OLD US 441, they said).

FDOT also requested 441 ALT for Ocala-Reddick, which AASHO also refused (again suggesting Old 441 instead), though it was noted that AAA told them FDOT had already posted it as 441 ALT
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 22, 2024, 09:20:36 PM
Problem is that the Florida State Road Department did a lot of signing of unapproved routes.  Sorting out US 27A was a mess for that very reason.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 22, 2024, 10:24:44 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 22, 2024, 09:20:36 PM
Problem is that the Florida State Road Department did a lot of signing of unapproved routes.  Sorting out US 27A was a mess for that very reason.
I found another problem. That link went to US 301 in Citra.

This (https://historicaerials.com/?layer=map&zoom=12&lat=29.187778&lon=-82.130556) was what I was looking for... or at least it should be. Unfortunately, it goes black for the 1964 aerial shot.



Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mapmikey on February 23, 2024, 09:55:54 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 22, 2024, 10:24:44 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 22, 2024, 09:20:36 PM
Problem is that the Florida State Road Department did a lot of signing of unapproved routes.  Sorting out US 27A was a mess for that very reason.
I found another problem. That link went to US 301 in Citra.

This (https://historicaerials.com/?layer=map&zoom=12&lat=29.187778&lon=-82.130556) was what I was looking for... or at least it should be. Unfortunately, it goes black for the 1964 aerial shot.





what might the 1964 aerial show that the available 1965 aerial does not?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on February 24, 2024, 05:33:07 PM
Quote from: SilverMustang2011 on February 20, 2024, 02:25:35 PM
Thank you for clearing that up. I've read about the scrapped freeways in Pinellas County before but that's the first time I've seen their intended routes. Having all of the freeways they intended to put in would be overkill, but it's been interesting growing up in the area and seeing all and the projects and headaches Pinellas County has had trying to fix traffic from building nothing except 275 (Making parts of US-19 and Gandy Blvd fully limited-access, Gateway Express, and 6-laning almost all arterial roads come to mind)

Been doing my share of driving across Pinellas County this weekend. Despite the lack of freeways, somehow the boulevards do a decent job moving traffic across the peninsula. Its certainly quicker moving traffic compared to the Davenport/Haines City/NE Polk County disaster.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: SilverMustang2011 on February 24, 2024, 06:55:37 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on February 24, 2024, 05:33:07 PM

Been doing my share of driving across Pinellas County this weekend. Despite the lack of freeways, somehow the boulevards do a decent job moving traffic across the peninsula. Its certainly quicker moving traffic compared to the Davenport/Haines City/NE Polk County disaster.

I agree, they create a semi-grid system that makes moving around Pinellas manageable. To be fair to NE Polk County, the swampland up there makes new road construction difficult (Poinciana Parkway's pre-construction headaches come to mind), but there is no reason US 17 should still be two lanes between Haines City and Intercession City and US 27 is the only major North-South road in the area. It also puts a lot of pressure on I-4 from Exits 55 to 58, but in general I believe I-4 between Tampa and Orlando would be significantly less dangerous if it wasn't the only major road connecting the two.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ElishaGOtis on February 24, 2024, 08:04:14 PM
Quote from: SilverMustang2011 on February 24, 2024, 06:55:37 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on February 24, 2024, 05:33:07 PM

Been doing my share of driving across Pinellas County this weekend. Despite the lack of freeways, somehow the boulevards do a decent job moving traffic across the peninsula. Its certainly quicker moving traffic compared to the Davenport/Haines City/NE Polk County disaster.

I agree, they create a semi-grid system that makes moving around Pinellas manageable. To be fair to NE Polk County, the swampland up there makes new road construction difficult (Poinciana Parkway's pre-construction headaches come to mind), but there is no reason US 17 should still be two lanes between Haines City and Intercession City and US 27 is the only major North-South road in the area. It also puts a lot of pressure on I-4 from Exits 55 to 58, but in general I believe I-4 between Tampa and Orlando would be significantly less dangerous if it wasn't the only major road connecting the two.

Poinciana West Extension/Connector appears to have the intent to minimize this bottleneck, at least in-part. It is currently planned have a direct connection with 429, effectively acting as a continuation of the corridor, though that may change as far as I'm aware.

Quote from: SilverMustang2011 on February 20, 2024, 02:25:35 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 18, 2024, 04:36:39 PM
See this post from 2013 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg227748;topicseen#msg227748) and the corresponding 1970s map I scanned.
There was not a planned extension of I-175, but I-375 had one on the 1985 Recommended Principal Street and Highway Plan that Dan linked to at http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00017174/00001/2x?vo=32&vp=0,3777

Thank you for clearing that up. I've read about the scrapped freeways in Pinellas County before but that's the first time I've seen their intended routes. Having all of the freeways they intended to put in would be overkill, but it's been interesting growing up in the area and seeing all and the projects and headaches Pinellas County has had trying to fix traffic from building nothing except 275 (Making parts of US-19 and Gandy Blvd fully limited-access, Gateway Express, and 6-laning almost all arterial roads come to mind)

I really appreciate FL's new direction in Freeway construction. A single LA-upgrade project seems to be of much lower cost than the combined cost of building BOTH a new greenfield corridor and widening an existing corridor. This seems to follow a classic engineering motto: "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Why spend the money to build an entirely new corridor when the current corridor can provide the same benefits?

US-27 south of Orlando also needs a serious review, as it's been ENGULFED by sprawl. I'm wondering how Central Polk Pkwy will tie into this and Poinciana in the future.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 25, 2024, 07:48:54 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on February 23, 2024, 09:55:54 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 22, 2024, 10:24:44 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 22, 2024, 09:20:36 PM
Problem is that the Florida State Road Department did a lot of signing of unapproved routes.  Sorting out US 27A was a mess for that very reason.
I found another problem. That link went to US 301 in Citra.

This (https://historicaerials.com/?layer=map&zoom=12&lat=29.187778&lon=-82.130556) was what I was looking for... or at least it should be. Unfortunately, it goes black for the 1964 aerial shot.





what might the 1964 aerial show that the available 1965 aerial does not?
A portion of the land completely blacked out.

The 1957 aerial blacks out some land too, but in a different region.

The 1956 aerial blacks out the other side.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoads on February 25, 2024, 02:18:15 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 25, 2024, 07:48:54 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on February 23, 2024, 09:55:54 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on February 22, 2024, 10:24:44 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 22, 2024, 09:20:36 PM
Problem is that the Florida State Road Department did a lot of signing of unapproved routes.  Sorting out US 27A was a mess for that very reason.
I found another problem. That link went to US 301 in Citra.

This (https://historicaerials.com/?layer=map&zoom=12&lat=29.187778&lon=-82.130556) was what I was looking for... or at least it should be. Unfortunately, it goes black for the 1964 aerial shot.





what might the 1964 aerial show that the available 1965 aerial does not?
A portion of the land completely blacked out.

The 1957 aerial blacks out some land too, but in a different region.

The 1956 aerial blacks out the other side.

Try these links from the UF Aerial Photography Digital Collection (https://ufdc.ufl.edu/locations) site:

1949 Aerial: https://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00071768/00010/images/156 (https://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00071768/00010/images/156)

1956 Aerial: https://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00071768/00012/images/15 (https://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00071768/00012/images/15)

1957 Aerial: https://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00071768/00017/images/91 (https://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00071768/00017/images/91)

1964 Aerial: https://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00071768/00020/zoom/57 (https://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00071768/00020/zoom/57)

When you zoom in on each aerial, it clearly shows the connection between Magnolia Avenue and Old Gainesville Highway. The 1949 aerial clearly shows it as one continuous road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on February 29, 2024, 09:36:22 PM
My travels today took me onto the Florida Turnpike for the first time. There be hills in this state! The widening north of FL-50 can't come fast enough though. Traffic (and pavement) is terrible on that stretch.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: The Ghostbuster on March 01, 2024, 12:46:02 PM
Are there any updates on the study for the northern extension of the Florida's Turnpike? I'm sure people along the proposed corridor are still up-in-arms about it, like they were in 2021: https://floridaphoenix.com/2021/11/18/the-florida-dots-latest-billionaire-boulevard-plan-has-rural-fl-outraged/?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=80e13ea0-ef7b-4f2c-ad26-d43f3cdea27c.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Sani on March 01, 2024, 03:48:49 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 01, 2024, 12:46:02 PM
Are there any updates on the study for the northern extension of the Florida's Turnpike? I'm sure people along the proposed corridor are still up-in-arms about it, like they were in 2021: https://floridaphoenix.com/2021/11/18/the-florida-dots-latest-billionaire-boulevard-plan-has-rural-fl-outraged/?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=80e13ea0-ef7b-4f2c-ad26-d43f3cdea27c.
I tried to pull up the page on the Florida Turnpike website, since it's still listed under Featured Projects, but all the links go to a 404 error. Per this news article (https://www.wusf.org/economy-business/2022-08-04/state-officially-kills-florida-turnpike-extension-citing-public-opposition) from August of 2022, it looks like it's dead, and further studies will be focused on expanding I-75 north of the turnpike instead.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ElishaGOtis on March 01, 2024, 05:00:34 PM
Quote from: Sani on March 01, 2024, 03:48:49 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 01, 2024, 12:46:02 PM
Are there any updates on the study for the northern extension of the Florida's Turnpike? I'm sure people along the proposed corridor are still up-in-arms about it, like they were in 2021: https://floridaphoenix.com/2021/11/18/the-florida-dots-latest-billionaire-boulevard-plan-has-rural-fl-outraged/?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=80e13ea0-ef7b-4f2c-ad26-d43f3cdea27c.
I tried to pull up the page on the Florida Turnpike website, since it's still listed under Featured Projects, but all the links go to a 404 error. Per this news article (https://www.wusf.org/economy-business/2022-08-04/state-officially-kills-florida-turnpike-extension-citing-public-opposition) from August of 2022, it looks like it's dead, and further studies will be focused on expanding I-75 north of the turnpike instead.

RUMOR: During a meeting I attended with a few FDOT officials last month, there was some discussion on the possibility of combining the two projects into one: extend the Turnpike ALONG I-75, if the ROW allows for it. I can't be for certain this is currently under formal consideration, but it has been a topic of discussion involving the future of this project.

Quote from: NJRoadfan on February 29, 2024, 09:36:22 PM
My travels today took me onto the Florida Turnpike for the first time. There be hills in this state! The widening north of FL-50 can't come fast enough though. Traffic (and pavement) is terrible on that stretch.

I'm quite surprised (and honestly, IMPRESSED) that the speed limit is maintained at 70mph, even with the uneven pavement and numerous lane shifts. :spin: They've been making quite a bit of progress on the project, including placing some of the Northbound lanes onto the right-half of the "final" roadbed. I'll try and get some pictures if I can. Recently, there have been quite a few full-closures of the corridor at night, possibly to accelerate work on the bridges.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: SilverMustang2011 on March 01, 2024, 07:01:48 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 01, 2024, 12:46:02 PM

RUMOR: During a meeting I attended with a few FDOT officials last month, there was some discussion on the possibility of combining the two projects into one: extend the Turnpike ALONG I-75, if the ROW allows for it. I can't be for certain this is currently under formal consideration, but it has been a topic of discussion involving the future of this project.

I'm quite surprised (and honestly, IMPRESSED) that the speed limit is maintained at 70mph, even with the uneven pavement and numerous lane shifts. :spin: They've been making quite a bit of progress on the project, including placing some of the Northbound lanes onto the right-half of the "final" roadbed. I'll try and get some pictures if I can. Recently, there have been quite a few full-closures of the corridor at night, possibly to accelerate work on the bridges.

If said Turnpike extension along the ROW works similar to the I-4 Ultimate lanes do, I would certainly take them in peak hours, especially with how congested the 19 or so miles of 75 The FL Turnpike to Exit 358 North of Ocala get. It could be similar to the NJ Turnpike too, with the tolled lanes creating separate cars only and car and truck lanes.

After driving that section of Turnpike twice in the last week, traffic tends to go slower than the 70 mph limit would suggest because of the lane shifts and pavement issues you mentioned. The hills between US 27 and Montverde also slow drivers down who aren't exactly used to seeing them in Florida.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ElishaGOtis on March 02, 2024, 06:01:13 PM
Quote fixed: :cool:
Quote from: SilverMustang2011 on March 01, 2024, 07:01:48 PM
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on March 01, 2024, 05:00:34 PM

RUMOR: During a meeting I attended with a few FDOT officials last month, there was some discussion on the possibility of combining the two projects into one: extend the Turnpike ALONG I-75, if the ROW allows for it. I can't be for certain this is currently under formal consideration, but it has been a topic of discussion involving the future of this project.

I'm quite surprised (and honestly, IMPRESSED) that the speed limit is maintained at 70mph, even with the uneven pavement and numerous lane shifts. :spin: They've been making quite a bit of progress on the project, including placing some of the Northbound lanes onto the right-half of the "final" roadbed. I'll try and get some pictures if I can. Recently, there have been quite a few full-closures of the corridor at night, possibly to accelerate work on the bridges.

If said Turnpike extension along the ROW works similar to the I-4 Ultimate lanes do, I would certainly take them in peak hours, especially with how congested the 19 or so miles of 75 The FL Turnpike to Exit 358 North of Ocala get. It could be similar to the NJ Turnpike too, with the tolled lanes creating separate cars only and car and truck lanes.

After driving that section of Turnpike twice in the last week, traffic tends to go slower than the 70 mph limit would suggest because of the lane shifts and pavement issues you mentioned. The hills between US 27 and Montverde also slow drivers down who aren't exactly used to seeing them in Florida.

I-75 towards Sarasota is posed to receive a true local/express system, though I don't know if any vehicle restrictions are considered for it. I believe this project was brought up a few months ago on this forum. FDOT also investigated possible locations for "truck-only" lanes in many places, but I don't believe that project went anywhere.
https://www.swflinterstates.com/i75-south-corridor/

A speed limit that's an actual limit!? How is that possible!? :pan:  :bigass:

For a simple comparison, CFX put many of their widening projects at 65 or 55 under similar conditions, though said projects did lack appropriate right-hand shoulders. It does appear FHP tends to enforce 70 on this segment of Tpk more than they would elsewhere.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 09, 2024, 07:33:11 PM
For anyone that did not know already, the FL 538 widening was completed back in December. (https://www.aroundosceola.com/news/cfx-unveils-widened-poinciana-parkway) 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 11, 2024, 12:40:06 AM
Perhaps I should've searched for the discussion on other threads, but I have to bring it up now, since I passed through the Georgia Bend recently, and now realized I needed more research on it.

While driving north on GA 121-23, I spotted the obligatory directional guide road sign before the intersection with GA 94 in Saint George, Georgia. In this case the destinations offered on the sign are Folkston, Georgia straight ahead, Moniac, Georgia to the left, and Crawford, Florida to the right.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NB_GA_121-23_in_St_George,_Georgia-08.jpg

The trouble is, to get to Crawford, Florida, you need an off-road vehicle, preferably a four-wheel-drive vehicle with high ground clearance.  As we all know, GA 94 connects the gaps of FL 2, but the east end of this gap is Nassau County Road 2. Nassau CR 2 ends at Nassau CR 121, and beyond that it turns into Crawford Road, which is a long dirt road. So, in this case I'm glad this former segment of FL 2 was downgraded to a county road. But Crawford Road actually goes southeast towards Crawford which is along US 301 southwest of Callahan. Which means if you had a properly equipped SUV, or FDOT decided they wanted to reupgrade the road and extend the designation further east, you could actually drive from GA 121-23 in St. George to US 301 in Crawford.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: lordsutch on March 11, 2024, 07:49:15 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on March 11, 2024, 12:40:06 AM
The trouble is, to get to Crawford, Florida, you need an off-road vehicle, preferably a four-wheel-drive vehicle with high ground clearance.  As we all know, GA 94 connects the gaps of FL 2, but the east end of this gap is Nassau County Road 2. Nassau CR 2 ends at Nassau CR 121, and beyond that it turns into Crawford Road, which is a long dirt road. So, in this case I'm glad this former segment of FL 2 was downgraded to a county road. But Crawford Road actually goes southeast towards Crawford which is along US 301 southwest of Callahan. Which means if you had a properly equipped SUV, or FDOT decided they wanted to reupgrade the road and extend the designation further east, you could actually drive from GA 121-23 in St. George to US 301 in Crawford.

Recent satellite imagery on Google shows that Crawford Road from CR 121 east to U.S. 301 has been paved, apparently to serve some solar farms in the vicinity, even though the latest Street View imagery suggests it was unpaved in 2019.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 12, 2024, 09:00:47 AM
Quote from: lordsutch on March 11, 2024, 07:49:15 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on March 11, 2024, 12:40:06 AM
The trouble is, to get to Crawford, Florida, you need an off-road vehicle, preferably a four-wheel-drive vehicle with high ground clearance.  As we all know, GA 94 connects the gaps of FL 2, but the east end of this gap is Nassau County Road 2. Nassau CR 2 ends at Nassau CR 121, and beyond that it turns into Crawford Road, which is a long dirt road. So, in this case I'm glad this former segment of FL 2 was downgraded to a county road. But Crawford Road actually goes southeast towards Crawford which is along US 301 southwest of Callahan. Which means if you had a properly equipped SUV, or FDOT decided they wanted to reupgrade the road and extend the designation further east, you could actually drive from GA 121-23 in St. George to US 301 in Crawford.

Recent satellite imagery on Google shows that Crawford Road from CR 121 east to U.S. 301 has been paved, apparently to serve some solar farms in the vicinity, even though the latest Street View imagery suggests it was unpaved in 2019.
So does that mean they could upgrade and extend Nassau CR 2 to a state road if they wanted to? Because if anything, they should upgrade CR 228 between I-10 and US 301.

On another topic, is there a hidden state road designation for the connecting road between I-4 and US 92 west of Daytona Beach? SR 400C or SR 600C, or something like that?

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 16, 2024, 02:15:05 PM
The DDI in Orlando at I-4 and SR 482 is open.
https://www.fox35orlando.com/video/1423358
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ElishaGOtis on March 16, 2024, 02:59:02 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 16, 2024, 02:15:05 PM
The DDI in Orlando at I-4 and SR 482 is open.
https://www.fox35orlando.com/video/1423358

Here's an image of it in "action," from the FL511 cameras :popcorn:
(https://i.imgur.com/mjORsl7.png)

Link to Camera: https://fl511.com/map#camera-2272--11
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 16, 2024, 03:04:17 PM
I heard from a reliable source that it had its first fatality already with a driver going the wrong way on one of the ramps.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: SilverMustang2011 on March 16, 2024, 08:09:15 PM
I bet it'll be somewhat safer when the loop ramp to SB Turkey Lake Rd from WB Sand Lake opens and the final road shoulders are in place, but I'm surprised they switched it to a DDI at this point in the process. I'm also worried about the traffic signals on either side of the interchange, if the University Parkway DDI in Sarasota is anything to go by that creates a lot of congestion the DDI design can't fix.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 16, 2024, 10:46:04 PM
Any news on how this meeting on some Pasco County Road widening proposals went?
https://www.pascocountyfl.net/_T18_R84.php
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/28.2587083,-82.6740792/28.2367921,-82.644774/@28.2558315,-82.6659954,14z/data=!4m9!4m8!1m5!3m4!1m2!1d-82.6283407!2d28.2706238!3s0x88c297422348b18f:0xf7e3b1ce65eeddae!1m0!3e0?entry=ttu

I hope the roads are going to be widened.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: pianocello on March 17, 2024, 03:16:50 PM
Quote from: SilverMustang2011 on March 16, 2024, 08:09:15 PM
I'm also worried about the traffic signals on either side of the interchange, if the University Parkway DDI in Sarasota is anything to go by that creates a lot of congestion the DDI design can't fix.
I feel like the reason the Sarasota DDI doesn't function as well as intended is because there isn't any other way to get from one side of the Interstate to another. Which doesn't bode well for Sand Lake Rd either, since the nearest crossings on either side are a few miles away at Universal Blvd and Central Florida Pkwy.

It's unfortunate that a lot of traffic issues across Florida can be explained by the fact that there aren't a lot of streets that go through, but it's too late and/or costly to do anything about that.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 17, 2024, 08:16:37 PM
Development in Florida was ad libbed. It wasn't carefully planned like the city and county proposing a road network to handle future growth.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on March 18, 2024, 09:40:48 PM
Quote from: SilverMustang2011 on March 16, 2024, 08:09:15 PM
I bet it'll be somewhat safer when the loop ramp to SB Turkey Lake Rd from WB Sand Lake opens and the final road shoulders are in place, but I'm surprised they switched it to a DDI at this point in the process.

That is one complicated looking reverse jughandle *ducks*
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 18, 2024, 10:10:28 PM
Right now that DDI must be clogging the current Turkey Lake Road intersection west of it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 22, 2024, 02:40:15 AM
Well drove it and to answer my own question: yes. Gridlock at Turkey Lake.  Also, the traffic signals at the DDI were allowing WB Sand Lake an indefinite green while EB waited it for a long time.

Being DDIs are for left turning traffic, this intersection sees more straight through than turns, so IMO it's a waste to have it. More cars continue on Sand Lake than turns left onto I-4 ramps so a SPUI is more useful in this application.

Bad move on FDOT here.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: ElishaGOtis on March 22, 2024, 10:20:38 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 22, 2024, 02:40:15 AM
Well drove it and to answer my own question: yes. Gridlock at Turkey Lake.  Also, the traffic signals at the DDI were allowing WB Sand Lake an indefinite green while EB waited it for a long time.

Being DDIs are for left turning traffic, this intersection sees more straight through than turns, so IMO it's a waste to have it. More cars continue on Sand Lake than turns left onto I-4 ramps so a SPUI is more useful in this application.

Bad move on FDOT here.

Right NOW there's more traffic going through. However, there's one variable that could change the overall ratio... Epic Universe (the new UOR theme park development) will be very close to said DDI. While there will still be a high volume of through traffic, the RATIO of thru traffic to turning traffic could change dramatically once the development fully opens (estimated Summer 2025). Not entirely sure though, just a thought  :hmmm:  :nod:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 23, 2024, 12:12:32 PM
A short piece of SR 313 has been built...as CR 312 (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9857372,-81.3681324,3a,15y,158.61h,96.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sS2BiGvbFPTNvB1v8YATxhw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu).
Pedestrians and cyclists are prohibited (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9825763,-81.3712218,3a,21.8y,74.39h,86.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sI0f0ykqznnYRi0jgpffD6A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) as if it were a freeway (which is of course total bullshit, as it's the only reasonable access to the subdivision).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 25, 2024, 12:38:37 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on February 29, 2024, 09:36:22 PMMy travels today took me onto the Florida Turnpike for the first time. There be hills in this state! The widening north of FL-50 can't come fast enough though. Traffic (and pavement) is terrible on that stretch.

Based upon your recent posting history (when I have actually reading the forum in recent months), you relocated to Florida? Florida's Turnpike north of Minneola used to be a nice drive. Rolling hills with a reprieve in traffic from the Orlando metropolitan area. Then sprawl accelerated in Lake, and an exit to benefit developers opened for Minneola.

The Villages are building a stupid amount of development southeast along Florida's Turnpike and the previously rural CR 470 is not recognizable due to the influx of building. All the while the addition of exits in the Orlando area over the last 20 years have transitioned the toll road from mainly being a through route to a commuter route. The planned expansion of suburbia south from St. Cloud will even add more commuters.

Also Sugarloaf Mountain is located north of the Minneola exit. That's the highest point on the Florida Peninsula...or basically the high point of the large sand bar between the two coastal plains. :D
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 25, 2024, 03:27:58 PM
Then to add insult to injury, FTE will add new ramps at SR 482 in Orlando to make it more of a local freeway than a turnpike.

 
On another note I see the West NASA Causeway is now been torn down for the new EB bridge as the new WB is being built where the old 1964 twin bascule used to be. What's odd is that NASA won't be maintaining the new high rises like they did the past 60 years for the old causeway, but now is being given to FDOT to take care of.

I do miss the old bridges as the traffic signals for the bridge were suspended from curved mast poles and predated Florida using actual traffic signals at drawbridges due to the Space Center maintenance.  However the new structures will allow lane changes as the old ones prohibited that.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on March 26, 2024, 08:55:40 PM
Quote from: Alex on March 25, 2024, 12:38:37 PMBased upon your recent posting history (when I have actually reading the forum in recent months), you relocated to Florida?

Nope, just on vacation. Back in NJ now. There may be traffic here.... but at least it MOVES.

My travels actually took me down CR-470, which was chopped up quite a bit.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 27, 2024, 07:29:56 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on March 26, 2024, 08:55:40 PM
Quote from: Alex on March 25, 2024, 12:38:37 PMBased upon your recent posting history (when I have actually reading the forum in recent months), you relocated to Florida?

Nope, just on vacation. Back in NJ now. There may be traffic here.... but at least it MOVES.

The steady influx of population to Florida has made driving around the Tampa area, and especially Orlando, vastly more miserable.

QuoteMy travels actually took me down CR-470, which was chopped up quite a bit.

I have not driven CR 470 since The Villages expansion obliterated the old alignment, only have seen what GSV shows. The development took out a viable alternate from Tampa to Orlando, as often traffic on I-4 is so bad that GPS will suggest better travel times by taking I-75 to SR 50 to Florida's Turnpike or I-75 north all the way to Florida's Turnpike then south. CR 470 was an intermediate option, but not anymore.