Disaster Tourism; Santa Cruz Mountains Highways, San Fransico, Bay Area Stuff

Max Rockatansky · February 26, 2017, 04:11:00 PM

Quote from: kkt on February 26, 2017, 03:47:20 PM
Of course the GGB was never a state highway, so there was no relinquisment agreement for signage of the former state routes. Personally, I'd rather see it signed as a guide to navigation, regardless of ownership, but there are former state routes that would be a higher priority.

If anything I would just like a reassurance marker right where 1 meets US 101 to indicate that "1" does indeed have an implied route over the bridge. Personally I think it is pretty well advertised that the Golden Gate Bridge is the implied route of US 101. I'll give the signage on the actual bridge a pass, I do dig the clean look the structure has.

Out of Isleton CA 160 crosses from Andrus Island to Grand Island via the Isleton Drawbridge. CA 160 has a ton of reassurance markers due to the heavy amount of roadways hugging the Sacramento River:

IMG_4620 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

IMG_4621 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

IMG_4622 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

IMG_4623 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

IMG_4624 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

IMG_4625 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

CA 220 uses the J-Mack ferry to cross Steamboat Slough onto Grand Island. The ferry was shut down due to the recent storms and the roadway on Grand Island had a work zone that looked muddy as all hell from 160. So that was a slight bust, I had enough of mud and flooded roadway, so shield pictures was enough to satisfy me...for now:

IMG_4626 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

J11 meets 160 on the Walnut Grove Bridge that crosses the Sacramento River:

IMG_4628 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

On the Grand Island side the J11 shield is incredibly poorly placed, not so much on Walnut Grove side:

IMG_4630 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

IMG_4632 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

Max Rockatansky · February 26, 2017, 04:21:54 PM

Across the bridge on the eastern side of the Sacramento River E13 continues north from the Walnut Grove Bridge while J11 heads south...weird to see the "scenic" placard on a County Route:

IMG_4633 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

Stopped by Locke to check out some old buildings and infrastructure, this would be a pretty good example of a "China Town" or "Chinese Alley."

IMG_4634 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

IMG_4635 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

IMG_4638 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

IMG_4639 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

Used J11 and a bridge over the Mokelumne River (I can't find the name of the drawbridge) to reach I-5:

IMG_4650 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

IMG_4652 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

IMG_4653 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

Used the CA 4 freeway in Stockton to jump over to CA 99:

IMG_4654 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

Max Rockatansky · February 26, 2017, 04:29:14 PM

Really I can't stand 99 so padding my sign photo collection at 80 MPH is about the only thing I could think to do to keep my mind alive on the southward drive home. Managed to get a 219 I was missing and 59 is still shut down south of Merced due to flooding:

IMG_4655 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

IMG_4659 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

IMG_4663 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

IMG_4666 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

IMG_4672 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

IMG_4697 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

IMG_4699 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

The full album on today's stuff can be found here...lots of really good B&W photos from the isolated island roadways to be had:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/albums/72157678934630221/with/32977924902/

Now the real part of all this comes into play...tracking down all the historic stuff on the roadways on this trip.... I'll probably gradually start posting on some of that today, I don't know if it is a one day thing. The Daytona 500 is under a red flag, funny how Kyle Busch always gets away with bagging on Goodyear for racing tires causing his wrecks.

Max Rockatansky · February 26, 2017, 06:37:53 PM

nexus73 · February 26, 2017, 06:56:02 PM

Loved the pix and loved the notes! Amazing to think you did all this when there was so much storm damage present and more appearing to be on the way. Seeing the old bridges around Sacramento revealed a countryside I have yet to visit.

Now all you need to do is go get an I-238 sign pix to complete the NorCal Winter Tour...LOL!

Rick

Max Rockatansky · February 26, 2017, 07:13:07 PM

Quote from: nexus73 on February 26, 2017, 06:56:02 PM
Loved the pix and loved the notes! Amazing to think you did all this when there was so much storm damage present and more appearing to be on the way. Seeing the old bridges around Sacramento revealed a countryside I have yet to visit.

Now all you need to do is go get an I-238 sign pix to complete the NorCal Winter Tour...LOL!

Rick

Yeah I was pretty surprised by the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta. The GSV really doesn't do the area much justice, it is one hell of a contrast between the Bay Area...or most of the state. Definitely was a little odd to see some of the water control methods I used to see back in Florida, not to mention all those draw bridges. I actually do those notes for all my trips, I thought it was important to at least have a general understanding of what I was looking at and history in a given area....granted I really don't redo them if I revisit something most of the time.

As for I-238, we'll see what the next couple months might bring. I would like to try Mount Diablo out at some point, my understanding is that the time for the best views is right after a storm. I can probably arrange for a day trip, but I would definitely have to find something else that captures my interest on the Oakland side of the Bay. Really I got my sights set back on the Lost Coast Area...March or April maybe?

Max Rockatansky · February 26, 2017, 08:03:17 PM

San Francisco Stuff:

Great Highway notes

Great Highway is a 3.5 mile coastal road in the City of San Francisco running from CA 35 at Skyline Blvd north to Balboa Street. The Great Highway appears as a park reservation on the 1869 city map of San Francisco, but I can't pin down when it was constructed. The reservation appears to be globbed in with what is now Golden Gate Park.

1869 City of San Francisco Map

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~252220~5522491:City-and-County-of-San-Francisco-?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:san%2Bfrancisco;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=14&trs=3397

1857 City of San Francisco Map

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~239938~5512085:U-S--Coast-Survey--City-Of-San-Fran?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:san%2Bfrancisco;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=18&trs=3397

San Francisco Coastal Batteries

Really the Park Service has this one covered:

https://www.nps.gov/goga/learn/historyculture/seacoast-defenses.htm

https://www.nps.gov/goga/learn/historyculture/harbor-defenses.htm

Fort Point

Again, Park Service:

https://www.nps.gov/goga/learn/historyculture/fort-point.htm

https://www.nps.gov/goga/learn/historyculture/fort-point.htm

Lombard Street on Russian Hill

Russian Hill is one of the 44 named hills within the City of San Francisco and one of the seven that was apparently part of the original plot of the city. Russian Hill peaks out at 294 feat above sea level and is mostly known for the section of Lombard Street between Hyde Street and Leavenworth Street which contains 8 sharp curves. Apparently the hairpins were constructed in 1922 due to the section of Lombard between Hyde and Leavenworth having a 27% grade. Apparently the hairpins increase the length of the one block segment of Lombard from 412.5 feet to 600 feet. Apparently Filbert Street a couple blocks south is steeper at 31.5% and definitely has no hairpins.

http://www.aviewoncities.com/sf/lombardstreet.htm

Golden Gate Bridge and the alignment of US 101

It would seem that Van Ness was always part of US 101 from the beginning of the route in 1926. The original alignment of US 101 before the Golden Gate Bridge was completed in 1937 appears to have used the Hyde Street Pier, Hyde Street south, and Bay Street west to reach Van Ness south. After the Golden Gate Bridge was completed, the alignment of US 101 was shfited west onto Lombard Street where it is still currently aligned. I'm to understand that US 101W was signed on this alignment and US 101E used the Oakland Ferry until it was changed to just US 101 in 1936.

1930 State Highway City Insert

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~239601~5511906:-Verso--Road-Map-of-the-State-of-Ca?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:caltrans;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=77&trs=86

1934 State Highway City Insert

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~239596~5511897:-Verso--Road-Map-of-the-State-of-Ca?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:caltrans;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=74&trs=86

1935 San Francisco Map

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~247345~5515383:City-and-County-of-San-Francisco-?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:california%2Bdivision%2Bof%2Bhighways;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=2&trs=160

1938 State Highway City Insert

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~239590~5511893:-Verso--Road-Map-of-the-State-of-Ca?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:caltrans;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=70&trs=86

Cahighways.org on US 101:

http://www.cahighways.org/097-104.html

Muir Woods Road, Muir Woods National Monument, and Panoramic Highway

-   The Panoramic Highway appears on a 1935 Highway Map of Marin County as a county maintained tollroad, the road is 11 miles in length. The San Francisco Gate had an article in 1995 stating that the Panoramic Highway was opened in 1933 to vehicular traffic on an old rail alignment, then procedes to talk about the history of fatal crashes on it.
-   Edit:   The Panoramic Highway follows a generalized path of the Mount Tamalpais-Muir Woods Railway to the vicinity of West Point Inn, although the railroad is mostly north of the current roadway. It seems some of the spur route to the Muir Woods may be partly located on the Panoramic Highway near Muir Woods Road. The railroad opened in 1896 and shut down in 1930 due to a fire and low traffic due to increase usage in automobiles.
-   Muir Woods Road appears on the same map from 1933, although I would imagine it is considerably older given that Muir Woods National Monument dates back to 1908. Apparently the land the monument is on was granted to the Federal government in 1907 because the owner was threatened with eminent domain by a local water company out of Saualito.

1935 Marin County Map

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~247308~5515365:Marin-County?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:california%2Bdivision%2Bof%2Bhighways;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=42&trs=160

1995 Panoramic Highway Article

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Panoramic-Highway-s-Dark-Side-Beautiful-road-3045556.php

AAroads stub on Marin County Roads

https://www.aaroads.com/california/marin.html

Mount Tamalpais-Muir Woods Railway

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Tamalpais_and_Muir_Woods_Railway

Notes on CA 1/Shoreline Highway from Stinson Beach to Point Reyes Station

- On the north end of the Bolinas Lagoon there appears to be a minor alignment change with CA 1 using Fairfax-Bolinas Road and Olema-Bolinas Road instead of the modern highway route that bypasses them. The rest of the alignment to Point Reyes Station appears unchanged from the 1935 Marin County Highway Map.
-   The land Stinson Beach is on was purchased in 1866 and had a road built from Sausalito by 1870 (maybe what is now the alignment of CA 1?). Apparently Stinson Beach came to be known as Willow Camp around the time the first roadway opened. Stinson Beach became the official name of the locale in 1916 which was the same year it received a post office.
-   Five Brooks still appears on modern maps but doesn't appear to be anything other than a community-in name only nowadays.
-   Olema appears to have had a post office back in 1859 and again in 1864. Supposedly it was thought to be the epicenter of the 1906 San Francisco Earthquake, but likely isn't.
-   Point Reyes Station appears to have been a railroad siding established in 1875 as Olema Station. Supposedly Point Reyes Station was called Marin for a time before settling on the modern name in the 1890s.

1935 Marin County Highway Map

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~247308~5515365:Marin-County?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:california%2Bdivision%2Bof%2Bhighways;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=42&trs=160

NE2 · February 26, 2017, 08:26:35 PM

Great Highway was dedicated in 1929: http://www.sfmuseum.org/hist2/ghiway.html

nexus73 · February 26, 2017, 10:04:55 PM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 26, 2017, 07:13:07 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on February 26, 2017, 06:56:02 PM
Loved the pix and loved the notes! Amazing to think you did all this when there was so much storm damage present and more appearing to be on the way. Seeing the old bridges around Sacramento revealed a countryside I have yet to visit.

Now all you need to do is go get an I-238 sign pix to complete the NorCal Winter Tour...LOL!

Rick

Yeah I was pretty surprised by the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta. The GSV really doesn't do the area much justice, it is one hell of a contrast between the Bay Area...or most of the state. Definitely was a little odd to see some of the water control methods I used to see back in Florida, not to mention all those draw bridges. I actually do those notes for all my trips, I thought it was important to at least have a general understanding of what I was looking at and history in a given area....granted I really don't redo them if I revisit something most of the time.

As for I-238, we'll see what the next couple months might bring. I would like to try Mount Diablo out at some point, my understanding is that the time for the best views is right after a storm. I can probably arrange for a day trip, but I would definitely have to find something else that captures my interest on the Oakland side of the Bay. Really I got my sights set back on the Lost Coast Area...March or April maybe?

Ah, the Lost Coast. You will love the last 15 or so miles of 1 as it heads toward Leggett and 101. Redwoods galore! Curvy road too...LOL! My paternal side of the family first settled in at Loleta after which they migrated north to Gold Beach OR. A close friend and I are thinking of an April trip to ride the Skunk Train in Willets, check out the new In-N-Out in Ukiah and do a lookie lou of rural Humboldt south of Fortuna. Just don't run into us and we won't run into you...LOL!

Rick

Max Rockatansky · February 26, 2017, 10:43:23 PM

Quote from: NE2 on February 26, 2017, 08:26:35 PM
Great Highway was dedicated in 1929: http://www.sfmuseum.org/hist2/ghiway.html

Thank you, I always wanted to know when that road was finished but couldn't find the right source.

Quote from: nexus73 on February 26, 2017, 10:04:55 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 26, 2017, 07:13:07 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on February 26, 2017, 06:56:02 PM
Loved the pix and loved the notes! Amazing to think you did all this when there was so much storm damage present and more appearing to be on the way. Seeing the old bridges around Sacramento revealed a countryside I have yet to visit.

Now all you need to do is go get an I-238 sign pix to complete the NorCal Winter Tour...LOL!

Rick

Yeah I was pretty surprised by the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta. The GSV really doesn't do the area much justice, it is one hell of a contrast between the Bay Area...or most of the state. Definitely was a little odd to see some of the water control methods I used to see back in Florida, not to mention all those draw bridges. I actually do those notes for all my trips, I thought it was important to at least have a general understanding of what I was looking at and history in a given area....granted I really don't redo them if I revisit something most of the time.

As for I-238, we'll see what the next couple months might bring. I would like to try Mount Diablo out at some point, my understanding is that the time for the best views is right after a storm. I can probably arrange for a day trip, but I would definitely have to find something else that captures my interest on the Oakland side of the Bay. Really I got my sights set back on the Lost Coast Area...March or April maybe?

Ah, the Lost Coast. You will love the last 15 or so miles of 1 as it heads toward Leggett and 101. Redwoods galore! Curvy road too...LOL! My paternal side of the family first settled in at Loleta after which they migrated north to Gold Beach OR. A close friend and I are thinking of an April trip to ride the Skunk Train in Willets, check out the new In-N-Out in Ukiah and do a lookie lou of rural Humboldt south of Fortuna. Just don't run into us and we won't run into you...LOL!

Rick

If you look on my Flickr account the photos from last year on 101 and Redwood National Park are up from last year, there is another one from 2014 I'll be getting around to pretty soon. Last year I did 299 through the Trinity Range and had a blast, tons of curves that seemingly went on forever. I've done US 199 a couple times over the years and find it to be criminally underrated as road for fun driving. This time around I'd like to do all of CA 96 along with 211...throw in parts of 36, 169, and 3 maybe as well along with the entire Shoreline Highway on CA 1.

Max Rockatansky · February 26, 2017, 10:48:45 PM

Max Rockatansky · February 26, 2017, 11:22:40 PM

Since the last post was kind of long I figured I would section this up. I didn't include CA 113 or CA 220 because they have pretty obvious back stories and really little in the way of alignment changes....aside from being unnumbered LRNs prior to 1964 of course.

Notes on CA 160

In the original 1934 highway numbering the route that CA 160 now occupies from CA 4 to I-5 was part of SSR 24. 24 was heavily truncated in the 1964 renumbering and the route from CA 4 to I-5 became CA 160. On the 1935 Map of Sacramento County the SSR 24 seems to be shown using Sherman Island Crossing and Sherman Island East Leeve Road to read the San Joaquin River was opposed to the bypass route CA 160 takes. There appears to be another alignment in the middle between the original highway and the modern CA 160 which I base my opinion off the fact it is called "Victory Highway." The alignment to what is now I-5 is virtually the same (I can't really tell from the map 1935 if SSR 24 used Main in Isleton) with the main difference being that SSR 24 went to downtown Sacramento on Freeport whereas CA 160 ends at I-5

1935 Sacramento County Highway Map

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~247334~5515378:Sacramento-County-?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:california%2Bdivision%2Bof%2Bhighways;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=55&trs=160

1938 State Highway Map

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~239588~5511892:Road-Map-of-the-State-of-California?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:caltrans;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=69&trs=86

1963 State Highway Map

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~239528~5511852:State-Highway-Map,-California,-1963?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:caltrans;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=29&trs=86

1964 State Highway Map

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~239525~5511850:State-Highway-Map,-California,-1964?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:caltrans;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=27&trs=86

CAhighways on CA 160:

http://www.cahighways.org/153-160.html

Isleton and Locke

Isleton was founded in 1874 and became a pretty significant stop for Chinese to settle by 1875 along with most of the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta. Isleton had several major floods in the late 19th century and early 20th century. The population of the city seems to have fallen through the floor from a documented approximate 2,000 even by the 1930s to about 800 today...likely it was much higher in the 19th century. I have my suspicions about Main Street being part of SSR 24 but I can't prove it.

Locke was settled in 1912 by Chinese settlers north of Walnut Grove. The village didn't really start to grow until the the China Alley in Walnut Grove burned down in 1915. The population of the village grew to about 1,000 to 1,500 before declining in the mid-20th century. Really all that is left is some mildly inhabited buildings in various states of disrepair.

And really that's all I got for now. I'm going to save everything to my flash drive and call it a night on this trip.

kkt · February 26, 2017, 11:31:52 PM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 26, 2017, 06:37:53 PM
CA 17 was much larger in scope originally with a northern terminus in Oakland.

CA 17 did go to Oakland, but continued over the San Rafael Bridge to end at 101 at San Rafael.

Sorry to pick on one misstatement on a post generally full of good info.

Max Rockatansky · February 26, 2017, 11:55:15 PM

Quote from: kkt on February 26, 2017, 11:31:52 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 26, 2017, 06:37:53 PM
CA 17 was much larger in scope originally with a northern terminus in Oakland.

CA 17 did go to Oakland, but continued over the San Rafael Bridge to end at 101 at San Rafael.

Sorry to pick on one misstatement on a post generally full of good info.

No worries, really I was concerned with was getting it right with the San Cruz Mountains on that post...I basically left 9 vague north of the mountains. Oakland really is by out of the big cities in California the one I'm the least familiar with, so I figure it was better to let some others opine especially we have a couple Bay Area people on this board. Really there are some crazy renumberings that took place in the Bay Area that really neutered down some big state routes. Really if you ask me they held more equity for navigation than some silly 3d Interstate designation that the state seemed to have fallen in love with.

kkt · February 27, 2017, 01:54:38 AM

Yes, it's not so much a navigation issue, but California did get interstate funding for massive upgrades of 880 and I think some of 580 from Oakland to San Rafael. I guess it's a thank-you to Uncle Sugar for the nice money.

When it was CA 17 northbound from Oakland to San Rafael we didn't have the annoying wrong-way duplex of I-80 eastbound with I-580 westbound.

Max Rockatansky · February 27, 2017, 07:46:20 AM

Quote from: kkt on February 27, 2017, 01:54:38 AM
Yes, it's not so much a navigation issue, but California did get interstate funding for massive upgrades of 880 and I think some of 580 from Oakland to San Rafael. I guess it's a thank-you to Uncle Sugar for the nice money.

When it was CA 17 northbound from Oakland to San Rafael we didn't have the annoying wrong-way duplex of I-80 eastbound with I-580 westbound.

Well think about, back in the 1960s those Interstates were the roads of the future which I would imagine most people probably still involved space houses and jet cars. It would seem it was pretty much a nation wide thing that people and DOTs assumed that usage on US Routes or state highways was going to decline significantly or generally be a thing of the past. That being the case California punted a lot of the US Routes and neutered many state highways during the renumbering for those 3d Intestate designations. Really I've always looked at the 3d numberings as kind of a waste of space that could have been utilized more sparingly given the huge amount of duplication issues that has cropped up since the system had progressed. Had I-238 been a California Spade with red, white, and blue coloring instead of an Interstate crest I doubt so many people would be flipping out today....the same thing probably could have been said for say a 17 or any other state highway that was replaced.

TheStranger · February 27, 2017, 01:00:29 PM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 26, 2017, 11:22:40 PM

Notes on CA 160

In the original 1934 highway numbering the route that CA 160 now occupies from CA 4 to I-5 was part of SSR 24. 24 was heavily truncated in the 1964 renumbering and the route from CA 4 to I-5 became CA 160. On the 1935 Map of Sacramento County the SSR 24 seems to be shown using Sherman Island Crossing and Sherman Island East Leeve Road to read the San Joaquin River was opposed to the bypass route CA 160 takes. There appears to be another alignment in the middle between the original highway and the modern CA 160 which I base my opinion off the fact it is called "Victory Highway." The alignment to what is now I-5 is virtually the same (I can't really tell from the map 1935 if SSR 24 used Main in Isleton) with the main difference being that SSR 24 went to downtown Sacramento on Freeport whereas CA 160 ends at I-5

Route 160 did continue through Sacramento's Land Park and downtown neighborhoods until about 2005, along Freeport Boulevard, Broadway, and 15th/16th Street. The portion up to Broadway is former Route 24 (which prior to the creation of El Centro Road/today's Route 99 and Route 70 in the late 1950s, then followed Broadway and 3rd/5th Streets to continue west along Route 16 to reach Woodland), while the portion up 15th/16th is former US 99W or former US 99 (depending on era). North of Capitol Avenue and including the current isolated freeway segment in North Sacramento/Arden, this portion of Route 160 is former US 40 and US 99W.

Technically the state highway maintenance now doesn't even reach I-5 near Freeport; the main portion of Route 160 concludes at the southernmost city limit of Sacramento (about a half mile before Meadowview Road) but signage already is gone by the time one reaches the recently constructed Cosumnes River Boulevard extension.

SeriesE · February 27, 2017, 10:10:01 PM

Quote from: kkt on February 27, 2017, 01:54:38 AM
Yes, it's not so much a navigation issue, but California did get interstate funding for massive upgrades of 880 and I think some of 580 from Oakland to San Rafael. I guess it's a thank-you to Uncle Sugar for the nice money.

When it was CA 17 northbound from Oakland to San Rafael we didn't have the annoying wrong-way duplex of I-80 eastbound with I-580 westbound.

The San Rafael Bridge segment should have been numbered 880 instead of 580 so the wrong way duplex problem wouldn't be introduced. Wonder why Caltrans decided on 580 after rejecting the 180 proposal?

TheStranger · February 28, 2017, 02:23:13 PM

Quote from: SeriesE on February 27, 2017, 10:10:01 PM
The San Rafael Bridge segment should have been numbered 880 instead of 580 so the wrong way duplex problem wouldn't be introduced. Wonder why Caltrans decided on 580 after rejecting the 180 proposal?

880 as designated followed the even-numbering rules (north end is at 80 and 580 at the MacArthur Maze, south end is at 280 in San Jose). That portion of 1936-1984 Route 17 from Albany to San Rafael does not connect to an Interstate at all in Marin County, with the western terminus of US 101 in San Rafael. Thus...first 180 and then the 580 routing extension were assigned, as both are odd-first-digit 3di numbers.

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