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Title: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Strider on January 03, 2013, 01:28:34 PM
Hello, I wonder if anyone knows the update on a Future Interstate 295 construction around Fayetteville area? I looked at some legal websites that talked about Fayetteville Outer Loop.. so far.. I haven't found any updates.. does anyone know?
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 03, 2013, 02:47:26 PM
One place to look is the metropolitan planning organization (MPO) for Fayetteville and environs.

Fayetteville Area Metropolitan Planning Organization (FAMPO): http://www.fampo.org/ (http://www.fampo.org/)

A quick check of that site shows that there is some information available.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Strider on January 04, 2013, 12:40:06 AM
Found it.. thank you. It was interesting looking at these hearing maps and interchange plans for each road from the Outer Loop.. looks like the one with All-American Freeway and Muchinson Road are going to be massive.


What hits me... the proposed southern end of the Loop at I-95.. it's going to be a trumpet..? That's way opposite from the northern Loop interchange with I-95 and US 13...
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: roadman65 on January 05, 2013, 07:46:53 PM
Quote from: Strider on January 04, 2013, 12:40:06 AM
Found it.. thank you. It was interesting looking at these hearing maps and interchange plans for each road from the Outer Loop.. looks like the one with All-American Freeway and Muchinson Road are going to be massive.


What hits me... the proposed southern end of the Loop at I-95.. it's going to be a trumpet..? That's way opposite from the northern Loop interchange with I-95 and US 13...
Do not forget a trumpet would not work with US 13 there?  South of there, no other route continues.

What amazes me, is the fact the US 13 leading in to the I-95/ Future I-295 Interchange is not freeway.  In fact the transition does not occur until the middle of the interchange.   The US 17/ US 64 interchange east of Willamston, NC; the I-55/ US 63 Interchange in Turell, AR; and the DE 1/ US 13 Interchange  near New Castle, DE are alike this one as well.  A road that goes from freeway to non freeway in the middle with free flowing ramps from freeway to freeway around them, just like this one.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Strider on January 07, 2013, 12:46:55 AM
Yeah.. I know that a trumpet won't work with US 13.. obviously lol.

I thought that the south end should be directional T.. you know to avoid the looping ramp from I-295 South to I-95 North, but I guess NCDOT want to save money.. and choose the cheapest interchange.

IMO, US 13 should be widened from that interchange going east/north for a few miles.. but i guess it's a money-saving purpose here. Either way, it's nice to know that Fayetteville is having its outer loop under construction.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on January 07, 2013, 11:08:05 AM
Quote from: Strider on January 07, 2013, 12:46:55 AM
Yeah.. I know that a trumpet won't work with US 13.. obviously lol.

I thought that the south end should be directional T.. you know to avoid the looping ramp from I-295 South to I-95 North, but I guess NCDOT want to save money.. and choose the cheapest interchange.

IMO, US 13 should be widened from that interchange going east/north for a few miles.. but i guess it's a money-saving purpose here. Either way, it's nice to know that Fayetteville is having its outer loop under construction.
I always thought the northern interchange with I-95 would need to be upgraded before the route could officially be signed I-295, given that a left turn is needed to access I-295 from I-95 north. According to the sign plans, however, they plan to do so, and add numbers to the exits, when the route is complete to the Fort Bragg area. Future exit numbers are listed on my Future NC Interstates, I-295 page: http://web.simmons.edu/~malme/fut295.html (http://web.simmons.edu/~malme/fut295.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: roadman65 on January 21, 2013, 10:08:18 PM
I was wondering if US 401 will be signed along it and have it bypassed moved even further west?  In Williamston US 17 was bypassed with the US 64 freeway extension, that already had a split in routes.  There was the US 17 Business through the city, and the US 17 Bypass (East Boulevard) that went around the center. I am not sure how the new Business route is aligned being that US 17 Bypass was made another business.

Then you have the four US 70 alignments through the Smithfield- Selma area, so you could have current US 401 Bypass be US 401, and the I-295 as the new US 401 Bypass, and US 401 Business could remain as it is.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on May 21, 2014, 09:56:31 PM
NCDOT released the plans Tuesday for the final contract to complete construction of the Fayetteville Outer Loop beyond US 401 to the All American Freeway. This contract to be let on June 17 does final paving work and sign installation for the two segments currently under construction, Murchison Rd to Bragg Blvd, which will probably open sometime this fall. And the piece from US 401 to Murchison Rd whose major work will be complete next month. The signage plans had one big surprise, the road will be signed, not as I-295 when work is completed sometime in 2015, but as NC 295. Previous signage plans for the Murchison Rd to Bragg Blvd segment had signs with blank spaces but marked as to be filled with I-295 signs in the future (when the entire roadway would open). What changed?

Apparently, NCDOT again overestimated the FHWA's leniency in regard to signing substandard freeways as interstates. There is a substandard bridge crossing of the Cape Fear River, but, probably the deal killer, to get from I-95 North to the Loop requires you to go through a signalized intersection (same for traffic headed for US 13 coming from I-95 South). The plans do show Future I-295 shields to remain, paired with NC 210 shields along the roadway, but all other Future 295 signs at on-ramps and on overheads along the open portion between I-95 and US 401 will be taken down. The mile markers in the plans (running from 22 to 34 in the plans if you're curious with Exit 21 being Bragg Blvd/All-American Freeway, Exit 23 Murchison Rd, Exit 25 McArthur Rd, Exit 28 US 401, Exit 30 River Rd and Exit 34 I-95) all have NC 295 shields implying this designation will be here for awhile. Given that there are no projects to upgrade the Loop/I-95 interchange, and no current funding for building the Loop's final 17 miles back to I-95, guess that's not surprising.

The sign plans can be accessed at http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/dsplan/2014%20Highway%20Letting/06-17-14/Plans%20and%20Proposals/Cumberland%20X-0002CC%20C203361/Roadway/ (http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/dsplan/2014%20Highway%20Letting/06-17-14/Plans%20and%20Proposals/Cumberland%20X-0002CC%20C203361/Roadway/)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: WashuOtaku on May 21, 2014, 10:53:39 PM
Yep, I remember you shared it last night in the Facebook group.  And yes, the new Strategic Mobility Formula that NCDOT will use soon already listed the remaining sections at a low-to-mid priority.  I am glad though that NCDOT will have real signs and mile markers on the route now, even if its NC 295.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: froggie on May 22, 2014, 09:20:52 AM
QuoteThere is a substandard bridge crossing of the Cape Fear River, but, probably the deal killer, to get from I-95 North to the Loop requires you to go through a signalized intersection (same for traffic headed for US 13 coming from I-95 South).

There's precedent for partial Interstate-Interstate interchanges elsewhere, and the two main movements (SB 95 to SB 295 and vice versa), plus the NB 295 to SB 95 ramp, are all direct movements.  I'd suspect that a combination of the substandard Cape Fear River bridge and the lack of commitment to finish the loop are the actual reasons, not the 95 interchange.

As a side note, the 95/13 ramps were stop sign-controlled as late as November.  Have they been signalized since then?
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Strider on May 22, 2014, 02:06:56 PM
Plus, it can't be called Interstate 295 without hooking it back to I-95. (per Loop rules) If they made one of the freeways in Fayetteville area (NC 87, All-American Freeway) a interstate, then it may can be called I-295. But, that doesn't make any sense because I'm sure there are substandard bridges on a interstate somewhere and they are still called a interstate. FHWA's policy is really strange, or are there different policies for each state when it comes to labeling a road an interstate? I suspect froggie might be right as well...
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Henry on May 22, 2014, 03:59:58 PM
Quote from: Strider on May 22, 2014, 02:06:56 PM
Plus, it can't be called Interstate 295 without hooking it back to I-95. (per Loop rules) If they made one of the freeways in Fayetteville area (NC 87, All-American Freeway) a interstate, then it may can be called I-295. But, that doesn't make any sense because I'm sure there are substandard bridges on a interstate somewhere and they are still called a interstate. FHWA's policy is really strange, or are there different policies for each state when it comes to labeling a road an interstate? I suspect froggie might be right as well...
But it could be signed as a Future I-295, because it is expected to reconnect back to I-95 when the whole thing is completed years from now.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Strider on May 23, 2014, 08:39:53 PM
Seems like they are going to label the road as NC 295/Future I-295 according to the signing plans I saw from the link.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on August 02, 2014, 08:33:48 PM
An NCDOT press release indicates the Fayetteville Loop section between Murchison Road and Bragg Blvd will open on Monday (8/4). The release goes on to say the remaining unopened section between US 401 and Murchison Road will not open until the summer of 2016 (a check on the NCDOT Construction Progress Report says the completion date is 1/2017).

A link to the press release: https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10160 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10160)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on August 06, 2014, 09:31:23 PM
The Murchison Rd to Bragg Blvd section opened as scheduled Monday afternoon. I've updated my Future I-295 with the new information along with several images of the planned signage over the years from NCDOT. If anyone takes a road trip to check it out, I'd be happy to post any photos.
http://gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut295.html (http://gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut295.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: The Nature Boy on August 06, 2014, 09:49:15 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on August 06, 2014, 09:31:23 PM
The Murchison Rd to Bragg Blvd section opened as scheduled Monday afternoon. I've updated my Future I-295 with the new information along with several images of the planned signage over the years from NCDOT. If anyone takes a road trip to check it out, I'd be happy to post any photos.
http://gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut295.html (http://gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut295.html)

I'll use your site for this pic, if you don't mind:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgribblenation.net%2Fncfutints%2Fn18loopmap.jpg&hash=1f4bc5ec90325c3029e43e4f27c87483c9a3f2b0)

I'm interested in seeing the southern portion of I-295 completed. Providing access to All-American Freeway for travelers coming from the south via I-95 will be very important to alleviating congestion in the city. Having to take the spur route to Owen Dr. is a pain in the ass.

It'll also be important for helping people reach Cross Creek Mall without having to ever get on All-American. At the intersection in Parkton, I would literally use "Cross Creek Mall" as a control city as a way to divert traffic off of Owen Dr. 
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: DeaconG on August 07, 2014, 01:59:19 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on August 06, 2014, 09:49:15 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on August 06, 2014, 09:31:23 PM
The Murchison Rd to Bragg Blvd section opened as scheduled Monday afternoon. I've updated my Future I-295 with the new information along with several images of the planned signage over the years from NCDOT. If anyone takes a road trip to check it out, I'd be happy to post any photos.
http://gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut295.html (http://gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut295.html)

I'll use your site for this pic, if you don't mind:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgribblenation.net%2Fncfutints%2Fn18loopmap.jpg&hash=1f4bc5ec90325c3029e43e4f27c87483c9a3f2b0)

I'm interested in seeing the southern portion of I-295 completed. Providing access to All-American Freeway for travelers coming from the south via I-95 will be very important to alleviating congestion in the city. Having to take the spur route to Owen Dr. is a pain in the ass.

It'll also be important for helping people reach Cross Creek Mall without having to ever get on All-American. At the intersection in Parkton, I would literally use "Cross Creek Mall" as a control city as a way to divert traffic off of Owen Dr. 

I was stationed there in the late 70s-early 80s (Pope AFB, not Bragg) and count your blessings, I remember when Owen Drive was TWO lanes...
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on August 10, 2014, 11:45:52 PM
I've updated my I-295 page with several more sign plans released the last couple months by NCDOT. The new sign plan for the Bragg Blvd./All American Freeway exit features both NC 295 and an Arrow-Per-Lane design:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgribblenation.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi295plan814b.jpg&hash=aaa1e10b48fb446995008e24dfd6807f36f55a48)

This and other plans are on the Future I-295 Page:
http://gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut295.html (http://gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut295.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on December 06, 2014, 04:35:57 PM
The Draft STIP released by NCDOT this week (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10531 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10531)) was good news for the Fayetteville Outer Loop (Future I-295) project. The STIP provides money to complete the Loop from Bragg Blvd south to I-95 over the next 10 years. NCDOT originally broke up the Outer Loop into 2 parts, from I-95 west to Bragg Blvd, the only part of the project funded when work started, and the remainder from Bragg Blvd south back to I-95 that was mostly, until now, not on the funded list.

The first part, as of 12/1, only has one project remaining, the paving and signing of the highway from US 401 to the All American Freeway, work started a couple months ago, and it's only 8% complete, and due to be completed in August 2016. The second part already has 2 projects underway: Bragg Blvd to SR 1415, Clearwater Blvd, now 78.5% complete with a end date of 7/15/2015, and from SR 1415 to SR 1490, Clifdale Rd, due to be completed in Oct. 2018 and currently now about 5% done. The remaining 3 projects are now funded. The next section to be started will be from Clifdale Rd to US 401, work to start in 2016. Next will be from US 401 south  to SR 1003 (Camden Rd) with a construction start date of 2018. Following the completion of that project, work is to start by 2021 on the final segment from Camden Rd to I-95 near St. Pauls. If all goes to schedule the entire loop may be completed by 2024 or 2025. Latest signage plans, see previous post, has the route signed as NC 295/Future I-295 when the first part is opened to traffic, don't know if this new funding will allow them to sign the route as an interstate to start, as originally planned.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: WashuOtaku on December 06, 2014, 09:41:15 PM
The goal is to be an Interstate, but that will not happen till most or all of it is completed.  So all new sections will be NC 295 for eventual transition to I-295.  NCDOT seems to have adopted this method, similar to other states.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Fred Defender on December 06, 2014, 10:30:07 PM
Fayetteville, NC: Been there once - last August. What a pit.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: froggie on December 07, 2014, 09:05:05 AM
QuoteThe goal is to be an Interstate, but that will not happen till most or all of it is completed.  So all new sections will be NC 295 for eventual transition to I-295.  NCDOT seems to have adopted this method, similar to other states.

You'd think, though, that if they'd intended it to be Interstate all along, they would've fully built it to Interstate standards.  The completed portions of "NC 295" are not to Interstate standard, especially the bridges.  Given the newness of it, probably not something that FHWA would grant a waiver for, which means NCDOT will have to go back in on the completed segment and widen the bridges.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: WashuOtaku on December 07, 2014, 09:32:23 AM
Quote from: froggie on December 07, 2014, 09:05:05 AM
QuoteThe goal is to be an Interstate, but that will not happen till most or all of it is completed.  So all new sections will be NC 295 for eventual transition to I-295.  NCDOT seems to have adopted this method, similar to other states.

You'd think, though, that if they'd intended it to be Interstate all along, they would've fully built it to Interstate standards.  The completed portions of "NC 295" are not to Interstate standard, especially the bridges.  Given the newness of it, probably not something that FHWA would grant a waiver for, which means NCDOT will have to go back in on the completed segment and widen the bridges.

The freeway portion itself can get a waiver, like others in the state have gotten (i.e. I-74 near Winston-Salem and I-73 Asheboro); the big issue is the terminus where there are at-grade intersection with US 13/I-95 at other-end.  But I believe it's a mute point at this stage since their seems to be a chorus that rest of the freeway needs to be built first.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on December 08, 2014, 09:48:52 PM
Here's a NCDOT press release about the new STIP funding the entire Fayetteville Outer Loop. It includes a map showing the completed, under construction, and planned sections of the Loop, signed as I-295:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10545 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10545)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Henry on December 10, 2014, 09:49:10 AM
Quote from: froggie on December 07, 2014, 09:05:05 AM
QuoteThe goal is to be an Interstate, but that will not happen till most or all of it is completed.  So all new sections will be NC 295 for eventual transition to I-295.  NCDOT seems to have adopted this method, similar to other states.

You'd think, though, that if they'd intended it to be Interstate all along, they would've fully built it to Interstate standards.  The completed portions of "NC 295" are not to Interstate standard, especially the bridges.  Given the newness of it, probably not something that FHWA would grant a waiver for, which means NCDOT will have to go back in on the completed segment and widen the bridges.

Surely they want to get it over in a hurry and not drag their feet, like Caltrans is doing with CA 905 and CA 210, or IDOT with IL 394!
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: froggie on December 10, 2014, 03:55:38 PM
That's not the point, Henry.  My point is that, if NCDOT truly intended the Fayetteville loop to be an Interstate, they'd have fully built it to Interstate standards.  They didn't...at least not with the two segments they've completed.  Not building it to I-spec then asking FHWA for waivers later introduces a lot more scrutiny from FHWA...and FHWA can refuse the request if the road, especially a newer road, is not to I-spec.

Notice that, aside from the Knightdale Bypass, none of Future I-285, I-495, or I-785 are signed.  It's because they're not I-spec.

Washu cites earlier waivers for approval of I-73 and I-74.  But there's a big difference between 73/74 and the 3-digit routes:  73/74 was written/codified into Federal law.  295 wasn't.  There is nothing stopping FHWA from denying approval of I-295 on the grounds of NCDOT being stupid with the bridges.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Strider on December 10, 2014, 10:21:47 PM
Actually I-495 is signed along the Knightdale Bypass, only from I-440 to I-540.


I-785 is unsigned, but it is in the NCDOT papers. I guess they plan on putting it up when the construction between US 70 and US 29 is completed in the east side of Greensboro.

But, as of the rest, you are correct, Froggie.

Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: froggie on December 11, 2014, 09:27:41 AM
QuoteActually I-495 is signed along the Knightdale Bypass, only from I-440 to I-540.

That's what I was alluding to when I mentioned "aside from the Knightdale Bypass"...
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on January 03, 2015, 10:22:58 PM
I have updated my NC 295 (Future I-295) / Fayetteville Outer Loop page with the new construction schedule for the completion of the now fully funded Loop. http://gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut295.html (http://gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut295.html) Now we just have to wait for the missing section to open up in 2016.

Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on February 11, 2015, 11:00:05 PM
As reported earlier, the BGSs on I-95 for the Fayetteville Outer Loop exit have been updated replacing the Future 295 shields with NC 295. NCDOT has now replaced all the Future 295 reassurance markers and interchange trailblazers with NC 295 shields on the Loop itself from I-95 to US 401. Here is a photo of one of the new shields taken last week:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgribblenation.net%2Fncfutints%2Fnc295sign_danmurphy215.jpg&hash=171be613609e3f86b11d39978bc9a3f84737a956)

I have updated my Future I-295 page with this information:
http://gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut295.html (http://gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut295.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: english si on February 12, 2015, 08:12:49 AM
Why have they removed the future interstate designation?
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on February 12, 2015, 05:26:55 PM
Quote from: english si on February 12, 2015, 08:12:49 AM
Why have they removed the future interstate designation?
You'll have to ask NCDOT. Signing plans for the to be completed in 2016 sections west of US 401 feature both NC 295 and Future I-295 shields, as in this sign plan:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgribblenation.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi295plan814f.jpg&hash=ce513145ca144245abcd6aa3f04f9a27736666cb)

Whether they then restore the Future I-295 signs east of US 401 to be consistent is anybody's guess.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Mapmikey on February 15, 2015, 12:50:08 PM
As of yesterday there is still an I-295 END shield northbound just after passing over I-95...

Mapmikey
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Buffaboy on September 22, 2015, 10:36:10 PM
Any updates on this? It looks like an interesting project from GM.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on September 23, 2015, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: Buffaboy on September 22, 2015, 10:36:10 PM
Any updates on this? It looks like an interesting project from GM.
The current construction projects are still on schedule for a late 2016/early 2017 opening of the section from US 401 to the Murchison Rd and the current section west of Murchison should be opened to the All American Freeway around the same time. In March 2016 they will be letting the contract for the next section to be built from Cliffdale Road to US 401 west to town.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Henry on September 23, 2015, 01:33:13 PM
So it looks like whatever is currently completed will be signed as NC 295 until the whole thing is completed...
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Strider on September 23, 2015, 02:34:52 PM
Quote from: Henry on September 23, 2015, 01:33:13 PM
So it looks like whatever is currently completed will be signed as NC 295 until the whole thing is completed...


No, it will remain NC 295 until the substandard bridge over Cape Fear River AND the I-95 interchange is updated to current interstate standards.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on January 26, 2016, 12:31:37 AM
The signage for the segment opened last summer between Bragg Blvd and Murchison Road includes the future 295 exit numbers. Here's one of the advance signs for the Bragg Blvd (blank space for All-American Freeway) exit:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgribblenation.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi295fayloop1215lc04.jpg&hash=5a4325acf9b76d1e73b1bdc47d2c8d118958531b)

The rest of the signage back to I-95 is to get exit numbers once the segment between US 401 and NC 210 is opened, hopefully by the end of this year. I've posted several more Loop photos originally posted on the Facebook SERoads group on my Future I-295 website:
http://gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut295.html (http://gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut295.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on February 04, 2016, 11:20:39 AM
The letting for the design-build contract to construct the next segment of the Outer Loop from Cliffdale Road to US 401 (a total of 2.4 miles) will take place on March 15. The preliminary cost estimate is $81. 9 million. Info from the 12-Month Design-Build Letting list available at: https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/12month.aspx (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/12month.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 12, 2016, 08:45:08 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 26, 2016, 12:31:37 AM
The rest of the signage back to I-95 is to get exit numbers once the segment between US 401 and NC 210 is opened, hopefully by the end of this year. I've posted several more Loop photos originally posted on the Facebook SERoads group on my Future I-295 website:
http://gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut295.html (http://gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut295.html)
Did you know that while I went there, I also took a journey to the NCDOT's I-26 Connector Project Site. and got a message that it was unsafe?

Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on August 11, 2016, 11:13:08 AM
NCDOT has opened the next segment of the Fayetteville Outer Loop from US 401 to NC 211 completing the route from I-95 to Fort Bragg. I was going to refer to it as NC 295/Future I-295, but a photo on this press release from the ribbon cutting shows it signed as actual I-295. Anyone in NC planning a road trip to check it out?: https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=12855 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=12855)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: LM117 on August 11, 2016, 01:32:39 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on August 11, 2016, 11:13:08 AM
NCDOT has opened the next segment of the Fayetteville Outer Loop from US 401 to NC 211 completing the route from I-95 to Fort Bragg. I was going to refer to it as NC 295/Future I-295, but a photo on this press release from the ribbon cutting shows it signed as actual I-295. Anyone in NC planning a road trip to check it out?: https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=12855 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=12855)

It would appear to me that all new sections of the Outer Loop will be signed as I-295 from here on out and only the old section between US-401/Ramsey Street and the I-95/US-13 interchange will remain NC-295/Future I-295 until those two substandard bridges are either widened or replaced and the I-95/US-13 interchange upgraded. :hmm:
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sparker on August 11, 2016, 05:42:35 PM
The resolution of the picture from the opening ceremony showing the I-295 shield wasn't fine enough to discern the lettering on the red field at the top of the shield.  My question is -- this being NC, does the lettering actually read "Interstate" or, alternately, "Future" as per previous NCDOT practice?  Any answers out there?
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: wdcrft63 on August 11, 2016, 06:38:56 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on August 11, 2016, 11:13:08 AM
NCDOT has opened the next segment of the Fayetteville Outer Loop from US 401 to NC 211 completing the route from I-95 to Fort Bragg. I was going to refer to it as NC 295/Future I-295, but a photo on this press release from the ribbon cutting shows it signed as actual I-295. Anyone in NC planning a road trip to check it out?: https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=12855 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=12855)
A small correction: US 401 to NC 210, not 211.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Strider on August 11, 2016, 07:11:23 PM
Quote from: sparker on August 11, 2016, 05:42:35 PM
The resolution of the picture from the opening ceremony showing the I-295 shield wasn't fine enough to discern the lettering on the red field at the top of the shield.  My question is -- this being NC, does the lettering actually read "Interstate" or, alternately, "Future" as per previous NCDOT practice?  Any answers out there?


Looks like they signed it as I-295 based on the video from the link below:

http://www.wral.com/fayetteville-loop-now-links-bragg-i-95/15920639/

But now, there is a possible confusion because some signs show NC 295. I don't know.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: LM117 on August 11, 2016, 07:47:28 PM
Quote from: Strider on August 11, 2016, 07:11:23 PM
Quote from: sparker on August 11, 2016, 05:42:35 PM
The resolution of the picture from the opening ceremony showing the I-295 shield wasn't fine enough to discern the lettering on the red field at the top of the shield.  My question is -- this being NC, does the lettering actually read "Interstate" or, alternately, "Future" as per previous NCDOT practice?  Any answers out there?


Looks like they signed it as I-295 based on the video from the link below:

http://www.wral.com/fayetteville-loop-now-links-bragg-i-95/15920639/

But now, there is a possible confusion because some signs show NC 295. I don't know.

I think NC-295 is only signed on the old section between US-401 and the I-95/US-13 interchange. At the US-401 interchange, you'll likely see signs for both versions of 295.

FHWA probably gave NCDOT approval to sign all the new sections of the loop as I-295 while leaving NC-295 as-is until it's upgraded.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: WashuOtaku on August 11, 2016, 10:01:55 PM
From NCDOT's Flickr page.  Yep, that's I-295.

(https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7513/28634827940_b5f169d8f0.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KCmYJ1)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on August 11, 2016, 11:59:43 PM
Quote from: Strider on August 11, 2016, 07:11:23 PM
Quote from: sparker on August 11, 2016, 05:42:35 PM
The resolution of the picture from the opening ceremony showing the I-295 shield wasn't fine enough to discern the lettering on the red field at the top of the shield.  My question is -- this being NC, does the lettering actually read "Interstate" or, alternately, "Future" as per previous NCDOT practice?  Any answers out there?


Looks like they signed it as I-295 based on the video from the link below:

http://www.wral.com/fayetteville-loop-now-links-bragg-i-95/15920639/

But now, there is a possible confusion because some signs show NC 295. I don't know.
The video at the bottom of this link showed that there were NC 295 signs continuing after US 401 heading south/west, and a Jct NC 295 sign at the Bragg Blvd interchange. The video also showed new exit tabs were placed on the I-95 and River Rd signs, but not yet for US 401 where the 'All Traffic Must Exit' tabs were still on top: http://www.fayobserver.com/news/local/i--to-bragg-blvd-section-of-outer-loop-open/article_2c861326-076d-5b00-adf9-b36eab418a49.html (http://www.fayobserver.com/news/local/i--to-bragg-blvd-section-of-outer-loop-open/article_2c861326-076d-5b00-adf9-b36eab418a49.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 13, 2016, 05:17:15 AM
Quote from: LM117 on August 11, 2016, 07:47:28 PM
FHWA probably gave NCDOT approval to sign all the new sections of the loop as I-295 while leaving NC-295 as-is until it's upgraded.

And then again, NCDOT has jumped the gun before.  Look at the Laurinburg bypass for I-74/US-74.  They were forced to yank the I-74 signs (I got to travel it before that happened) since they never had permission to add them to that part.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: LM117 on August 13, 2016, 08:58:50 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 13, 2016, 05:17:15 AM
Quote from: LM117 on August 11, 2016, 07:47:28 PM
FHWA probably gave NCDOT approval to sign all the new sections of the loop as I-295 while leaving NC-295 as-is until it's upgraded.

And then again, NCDOT has jumped the gun before.  Look at the Laurinburg bypass for I-74/US-74.  They were forced to yank the I-74 signs (I got to travel it before that happened) since they never had permission to add them to that part.

True. I forgot about the I-74 mishap. I would like to think that they'd learned from their past mistakes by now, but since it's NCDOT we're talking about...:pan:
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Stephane Dumas on August 13, 2016, 09:50:44 AM
A bit off-topic, looks like NCDOT do an upgrade of NC-24 and NC-210 where they briefly multiplexed north of I-295. http://gokml.net/maps-azteca.php#ll=35.163863,-78.968421&z=16&t=s Does NCDOT upgrade that gap into full-freeway?
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: froggie on August 13, 2016, 10:06:32 AM
Quote from: Stephane DumasA bit off-topic, looks like NCDOT do an upgrade of NC-24 and NC-210 where they briefly multiplexed north of I-295. http://gokml.net/maps-azteca.php#ll=35.163863,-78.968421&z=16&t=s Does NCDOT upgrade that gap into full-freeway?

Discussed twice (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=100.msg2075520#msg2075520) in the North Carolina (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=100.msg2162228;topicseen#msg2162228) thread.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: CanesFan27 on August 19, 2016, 10:30:41 AM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on August 11, 2016, 10:01:55 PM
From NCDOT's Flickr page.  Yep, that's I-295.

(https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7513/28634827940_b5f169d8f0.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KCmYJ1)

Used as a prop only for the opening. The sign is no longer standing.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: LM117 on August 19, 2016, 11:45:13 AM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on August 19, 2016, 10:30:41 AM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on August 11, 2016, 10:01:55 PM
From NCDOT's Flickr page.  Yep, that's I-295.

(https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7513/28634827940_b5f169d8f0.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KCmYJ1)

Used as a prop only for the opening. The sign is no longer standing.

So...it's definitely NC-295 then? :hmm:
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: CanesFan27 on August 19, 2016, 11:52:18 AM
Quote from: LM117 on August 19, 2016, 11:45:13 AM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on August 19, 2016, 10:30:41 AM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on August 11, 2016, 10:01:55 PM
From NCDOT's Flickr page.  Yep, that's I-295.

(https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7513/28634827940_b5f169d8f0.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KCmYJ1)

Used as a prop only for the opening. The sign is no longer standing.

So...it's definitely NC-295 then? :hmm:

Yes a post on seroads confirmed it.  I may get down there Monday or Tuesday after work for photos as well

Fixed quote. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4000.0) - rmf67
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sparker on August 19, 2016, 03:29:42 PM
Whoa!  I've heard of "bait-and-switch", but this actually crosses the line for brazen pandering!  But given NC's penchant for putting I-signs on anything that moves, it shouldn't be surprising!
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: CanesFan27 on August 19, 2016, 03:39:29 PM
Quote from: sparker on August 19, 2016, 03:29:42 PM
Whoa!  I've heard of "bait-and-switch", but this actually crosses the line for brazen pandering!  But given NC's penchant for putting I-signs on anything that moves, it shouldn't be surprising!

It is planned to be that route.  I believe this has happened before elsewhere.

As for NC interstates - if it meets standards and connects to the system - why not.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: LM117 on August 19, 2016, 03:41:18 PM
I guess using a mobile stand for the I-295 shield like they did for I-42 shield during the ribbon-cutting ceremony for US-70 Bypass around Goldsboro wasn't good enough.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: LM117 on August 19, 2016, 03:49:55 PM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on August 19, 2016, 03:39:29 PMAs for NC interstates - if it meets standards and connects to the system - why not.

+1
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: WashuOtaku on August 19, 2016, 10:13:29 PM
Does this mean I have to reverse the "Interstate" updates on I-295/NC 295 page on Wikipedia now?   :angry:
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on August 19, 2016, 10:46:57 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on August 19, 2016, 10:13:29 PM
Does this mean I have to reverse the "Interstate" updates on I-295/NC 295 page on Wikipedia now?   :angry:
I have posted contributed photos of the new segment of the Loop showing the NC 295 signage, click the link at the top of the page to skip to the photos:
http://www.gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut295.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut295.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sparker on August 20, 2016, 01:09:31 AM
My previous comment was more regarding NCDOT's record for premature "future" signage such as the previous "I-295" signage on this facility that simply eliminated the word "Interstate" in the red field of the shield.  I certainly concur that if a route has been approved and meets standards then, by all means, it should receive real (not prop!) shields.  I'd even go so far as to suggest that the segments of I-87 that currently meet standards receive shields, and per previous practice with I-73/74 in the Asheboro area, the sections that are limited access but technically don't meet standards (usually shoulders, from Knightdale to Tarboro) receive shields with "Future" in the upper red field.  And I have no doubt that eventually the entire Fayetteville loop will be Interstate-grade and receive actual I-295 signage.  But whoever is responsible for organizing the route-opening ceremony shouldn't have to stoop to deception to deliver their message!  Put an I-295 shield on the lectern, put it all over your brochures, put it anywhere except in the ground beside the road, where a reassurance shield would normally go.   Just my opinion; others may demur.       
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: wdcrft63 on August 20, 2016, 04:32:40 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on August 19, 2016, 10:46:57 PM
I have posted contributed photos of the new segment of the Loop showing the NC 295 signage, click the link at the top of the page to skip to the photos:
http://www.gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut295.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut295.html)
Great photos; thanks!
The second photo shows how the ramp to 13 North ends at a stop sign, one of the reasons NC 295 can't be signed as I-295.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: froggie on August 21, 2016, 07:47:58 AM
Quote from: CanesFan27As for NC interstates - if it meets standards and connects to the system - why not.

In this case, the new section meets standards but does not connect to the system, as the connection does not meet standards.

Quote from: wdcrft63The second photo shows how the ramp to 13 North ends at a stop sign, one of the reasons NC 295 can't be signed as I-295.

Technically, there are free-flowing ramp connections between Future 295 and I-95 North at that interchange, so it could theoretically pass.  What's preventing signing the loop as a full I-295 are substandard shoulders...especially the shoulders on the Cape Fear River bridge.

Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 21, 2016, 11:24:08 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on August 19, 2016, 10:46:57 PM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on August 19, 2016, 10:13:29 PM
Does this mean I have to reverse the "Interstate" updates on I-295/NC 295 page on Wikipedia now?   :angry:
I have posted contributed photos of the new segment of the Loop showing the NC 295 signage, click the link at the top of the page to skip to the photos:
http://www.gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut295.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut295.html)

Bob, you duplicated several photos on that page.  The ones from Lou Corsaro are on the page twice in two separate places.  Same with the entire "Previously Taken Photographs 2005-2010" section.  Might want to look into fixing that.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on December 01, 2016, 11:49:12 AM
NCDOT has announced the next section of the Fayetteville Loop will open on Friday (12/2) from Bragg Blvd. to the All-American Freeway:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13316 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13316)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: The Ghostbuster on December 01, 2016, 02:59:41 PM
Are any of 295's exits numbered? I checked the "notorious" Google Maps, and it seemed to indicate that they were not.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: froggie on December 01, 2016, 03:01:39 PM
Your answer (http://www.gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut295.html), after all of 20 seconds of searching.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: mvak36 on December 01, 2016, 03:10:06 PM
When are they going to be making the improvements to that section of 295 that is not up to Interstate standards? I didn't see anything in the 2018-2027 STI.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: LM117 on December 02, 2016, 12:21:04 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on December 01, 2016, 03:10:06 PM
When are they going to be making the improvements to that section of 295 that is not up to Interstate standards? I didn't see anything in the 2018-2027 STI.

Probably after the remainder of the loop is built.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: wdcrft63 on December 02, 2016, 06:19:45 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on December 01, 2016, 11:49:12 AM
NCDOT has announced the next section of the Fayetteville Loop will open on Friday (12/2) from Bragg Blvd. to the All-American Freeway:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13316 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13316)
A short section but a big deal, since it completes the connection between I-95 and Fort Bragg.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on December 12, 2016, 10:26:18 PM
NCDOT announced today that it has accelerated the schedule to build the last segment of the Outer Loop between Camden Rd and I-95 by one year and therefore, the Loop's completion may come before 2025:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13358 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13358)

Noticed that NCDOT again insists the Loop will be 39 miles long, despite the recently placed exit number at the northern end being 34. They've under counted loops before (Raleigh's Outer Loop), but over counting?
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: wdcrft63 on December 14, 2016, 07:58:25 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on December 12, 2016, 10:26:18 PM
NCDOT announced today that it has accelerated the schedule to build the last segment of the Outer Loop between Camden Rd and I-95 by one year and therefore, the Loop's completion may come before 2025:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13358 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13358)

Noticed that NCDOT again insists the Loop will be 39 miles long, despite the recently placed exit number at the northern end being 34. They've under counted loops before (Raleigh's Outer Loop), but over counting?
I emailed NCDOT about this discrepancy, and here is their reply:
Quote
That is very observant of you to notice this discrepancy. While the 39 mile loop description does not match the mile marker designations, the additional mileage that has to be constructed accounts for the ramps at each end where it ties into I-95. Since these ramps are "at speed" connections, with the exception of the NB I-95 to SB 295 connection, they are considered a part of the FOL. Since they are ramps and not officially "freeways" they do not have the mile markers that correspond with the FOL mile markers. If you have further questions, feel free to respond here or contact me directly at rwise@ncdot.gov.

Randy Wise
Division Construction Engineer
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on December 17, 2016, 01:31:41 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on December 14, 2016, 07:58:25 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on December 12, 2016, 10:26:18 PM
NCDOT announced today that it has accelerated the schedule to build the last segment of the Outer Loop between Camden Rd and I-95 by one year and therefore, the Loop's completion may come before 2025:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13358 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13358)

Noticed that NCDOT again insists the Loop will be 39 miles long, despite the recently placed exit number at the northern end being 34. They've under counted loops before (Raleigh's Outer Loop), but over counting?
I emailed NCDOT about this discrepancy, and here is their reply:
Quote
That is very observant of you to notice this discrepancy. While the 39 mile loop description does not match the mile marker designations, the additional mileage that has to be constructed accounts for the ramps at each end where it ties into I-95. Since these ramps are "at speed" connections, with the exception of the NB I-95 to SB 295 connection, they are considered a part of the FOL. Since they are ramps and not officially "freeways" they do not have the mile markers that correspond with the FOL mile markers. If you have further questions, feel free to respond here or contact me directly at rwise@ncdot.gov.

Randy Wise
Division Construction Engineer
Thanks for sending the e-mail. Interesting answer. If the extra 5 miles are due to the ramps, then it looks like they are adding the distance of the southbound and northbound lanes separately. If so, shouldn't they state the Loop is 73 miles long (34 x 2) + the extra 5?
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on December 08, 2017, 06:04:30 PM
NCDOT has awarded the contract to build the southernmost section of the Loop from Camden Rd to I-95. The project to start in January will cost $130 million and should be complete by July 2021. The entire Loop is to be completed by 2022:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14661 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14661)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: wdcrft63 on December 08, 2017, 06:42:16 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on December 08, 2017, 06:04:30 PM
NCDOT has awarded the contract to build the southernmost section of the Loop from Camden Rd to I-95. The project to start in January will cost $130 million and should be complete by July 2021. The entire Loop is to be completed by 2022:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14661 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14661)
So: this is the southernmost section, but not the last section. The section just to the north, between Camden Road and US 401, remains to be bid next year.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Strider on December 19, 2017, 08:49:24 AM
Man, the Fayetteville Loop seems to go on bid fast, just like Loop in Greensboro.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: CanesFan27 on September 13, 2018, 09:35:48 PM
Well North Carolina is asking AASHTO to allow the Interstate 295 designation for the Fayetteville Outer Loop.  Wait, wasn't this already approved like 13 years ago?

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2018/09/north-carolina-to-petition-aashto-for.html
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: LM117 on September 14, 2018, 04:54:35 PM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on September 13, 2018, 09:35:48 PM
Well North Carolina is asking AASHTO to allow the Interstate 295 designation for the Fayetteville Outer Loop.  Wait, wasn't this already approved like 13 years ago?

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2018/09/north-carolina-to-petition-aashto-for.html

QuoteThis section of roadway has been built to interstate standards and is currently open to traffic.

The substandard bridges over the Cape Fear River and Carvers Creek beg to differ and I'm pretty sure the jury is still out on the US-13 interchange.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: The Ghostbuster on September 14, 2018, 05:51:16 PM
Are there any plans to build a free-flow ramp between Interstate 95 NB and Interstate 295 SB? Or is the existing ramp adequate for present and future connections?
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on September 14, 2018, 06:30:03 PM
Quote from: LM117 on September 14, 2018, 04:54:35 PM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on September 13, 2018, 09:35:48 PM
Well North Carolina is asking AASHTO to allow the Interstate 295 designation for the Fayetteville Outer Loop.  Wait, wasn't this already approved like 13 years ago?

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2018/09/north-carolina-to-petition-aashto-for.html

QuoteThis section of roadway has been built to interstate standards and is currently open to traffic.

The substandard bridges over the Cape Fear River and Carvers Creek beg to differ and I'm pretty sure the jury is still out on the US-13 interchange.
The application makes no mention of the substandard bridge or interchange. The form lists no deficiencies with either Section G, which includes the bridge, or H, which covers the interchange. Besides saying the route is up to interstate standards, they state that its a full control of access facility (does this definition include stop signs or the need to make a u-turn on US 13 North to get to NC 295 South?). At least they did put the request into a single space paragraph format this time.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: LM117 on September 15, 2018, 01:18:45 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on September 14, 2018, 06:30:03 PM
Quote from: LM117 on September 14, 2018, 04:54:35 PM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on September 13, 2018, 09:35:48 PM
Well North Carolina is asking AASHTO to allow the Interstate 295 designation for the Fayetteville Outer Loop.  Wait, wasn't this already approved like 13 years ago?

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2018/09/north-carolina-to-petition-aashto-for.html

QuoteThis section of roadway has been built to interstate standards and is currently open to traffic.

The substandard bridges over the Cape Fear River and Carvers Creek beg to differ and I'm pretty sure the jury is still out on the US-13 interchange.
The application makes no mention of the substandard bridge or interchange. The form lists no deficiencies with either Section G, which includes the bridge, or H, which covers the interchange. Besides saying the route is up to interstate standards, they state that its a full control of access facility (does this definition include traffic lights or the need to make a u-turn on US 13 North to get to NC 295 South?). At least they did put the request into a single space paragraph format this time.

In other words, they're BS-ing AASHTO...
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sparker on September 15, 2018, 02:20:17 AM
Quote from: LM117 on September 15, 2018, 01:18:45 AM
In other words, they're BS-ing AASHTO...

Hardly the first time they've tried to get away with bullshit regarding this route; the posting of ersatz I-295 shields (short-lived as they were) a few years ago was the first shot across the bow regarding this facility.  Somehow, I don't think the substandard I-95/future I-295/US 13 interchange will escape scrutiny; NCDOT will have to at least have plans for an appropriate connection on record before signage at that location occurs -- unless they pull some sleight-of-hand and put something like "TO I-295" on the BGS approaches.  If anyone has access to signage plans for this interchange, it would be enlightening to see just what's going down here!
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: LM117 on September 15, 2018, 07:15:26 AM
Quote from: sparker on September 15, 2018, 02:20:17 AMSomehow, I don't think the substandard I-95/future I-295/US 13 interchange will escape scrutiny

Those bridges won't escape it either, given how anal AASHTO and FHWA are about standards these days. I'll be stunned if AASHTO goes along with this.

I'm also in agreement with Adam. I thought I-295 was a done deal years ago and that all NCDOT had to do was upgrade the substandard bridges and rebuild the I-95/US-13 interchange and let FHWA know then BAM! I-295 shields could then be posted.

Hell, I still can't figure out why NCDOT went through AASHTO earlier this year to get I-285 for US-52 between Winston-Salem and Lexington right after FHWA had given it's thumbs up. NCDOT didn't do that for I-87 on the Knightdale Bypass.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: CanesFan27 on September 15, 2018, 12:14:03 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on September 14, 2018, 06:30:03 PM
At least they did put the request into a single space paragraph format this time.

Yes, and that is what is most important.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Jmiles32 on September 15, 2018, 02:12:01 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if NC ends up completing Fayetteville Outer Loop to its southern terminus before they address the substandard bridges and northern terminus. NCDOT probably sent the request thinking AASHTO wouldn't care, but I think they'll find they were mistaken.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: CanesFan27 on September 15, 2018, 05:51:13 PM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on September 15, 2018, 02:12:01 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if NC ends up completing Fayetteville Outer Loop to its southern terminus before they address the substandard bridges and northern terminus. NCDOT probably sent the request thinking AASHTO wouldn't care, but I think they'll find they were mistaken.

Guys, AASHTO has no determination and is not and arbiter of Interstate Standards.  That is the Federal Highway Administration's role and responsibility.

If anything, AASHTO will Conditionally Approve pending FHWA approval.  NCDOT's application does NOT include the 2003 letter from the FHWA - so AASHTO could fall on that but as for Interstate standards, they are going to defer to the FHWA.

Edit to add actual language from the US Code (Source: https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c=ecfr&SID=eae973efc51d208648a64d2bf8513117&rgn=div5&view=text&node=23:1.0.1.5.13&idno=23#se23.1.470_1111)

Emphasis Mine.

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§470.111   Interstate System procedures.

(a) Proposals for system actions on the Interstate System shall include a route description and a statement of justification. Proposals shall also include statements regarding coordination with adjoining States on State-line connections, with responsible local officials, and with officials of areas under Federal jurisdiction.

(b) Proposals for Interstate or future Interstate designation under 23 U.S.C. 103(c)(4)(A) or (B), as logical additions or connections, shall consider the criteria contained in appendix A of this subpart. For designation as a part of the Interstate system, 23 U.S.C. 103(c)(4)(A) requires that a highway meet all the standards of a highway on the Interstate System, be a logical addition or connection to the Interstate System, and have the affirmative recommendation of the State or States involved. For designation as a future part of the Interstate System, 23 U.S.C. 103(c)(4)(B) requires that a highway be a logical addition or connection to the Interstate System, have the affirmative recommendation of the State or States involved, and have the written agreement of the State or States involved that such highway will be constructed to meet all the standards of a highway on the Interstate System within twenty-five years of the date of the agreement between the FHWA Administrator and the State or States involved. Such highways must also be on the National Highway System.

(c) Routes proposed for Interstate designation under section 332(a)(2) of the NHS Designation Act of 1995 (NHS Act) shall be constructed to Interstate standards and connect to the Interstate System. Proposals shall consider the criteria contained in appendix B of this subpart.

(d) Proposals for Interstate route numbering shall be submitted by the State transportation agency to the Route Numbering Committee of the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Jmiles32 on September 19, 2018, 10:19:02 PM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on September 15, 2018, 05:51:13 PM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on September 15, 2018, 02:12:01 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if NC ends up completing Fayetteville Outer Loop to its southern terminus before they address the substandard bridges and northern terminus. NCDOT probably sent the request thinking AASHTO wouldn't care, but I think they'll find they were mistaken.

Guys, AASHTO has no determination and is not and arbiter of Interstate Standards.  That is the Federal Highway Administration's role and responsibility.

If anything, AASHTO will Conditionally Approve pending FHWA approval.  NCDOT's application does NOT include the 2003 letter from the FHWA - so AASHTO could fall on that but as for Interstate standards, they are going to defer to the FHWA.
My bad I get AASHTO and the FHWA mixed up sometimes.

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2018/09/north-carolina-to-petition-aashto-for.html
QuoteSo then why did they take the Interstate 295 signs down in the first place?  If the thought was because the highway didn't meet Interstate standards was correct, then why would have the FHWA approved the highway in 2003?  They must have agreed it was up to standard, right?
Anyone know the answer to this?   
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: CanesFan27 on October 04, 2018, 01:28:38 PM
Quote from: LM117 on September 15, 2018, 07:15:26 AM
Quote from: sparker on September 15, 2018, 02:20:17 AMSomehow, I don't think the substandard I-95/future I-295/US 13 interchange will escape scrutiny

Those bridges won't escape it either, given how anal AASHTO and FHWA are about standards these days. I'll be stunned if AASHTO goes along with this.

I'm also in agreement with Adam. I thought I-295 was a done deal years ago and that all NCDOT had to do was upgrade the substandard bridges and rebuild the I-95/US-13 interchange and let FHWA know then BAM! I-295 shields could then be posted.

Hell, I still can't figure out why NCDOT went through AASHTO earlier this year to get I-285 for US-52 between Winston-Salem and Lexington right after FHWA had given it's thumbs up. NCDOT didn't do that for I-87 on the Knightdale Bypass.

AASHTO Approved no questions asked.

https://route.transportation.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/50/2018/10/018_Report-to-CHS_USRN-Application-Results-AM-2018.pdf
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: froggie on October 04, 2018, 01:34:42 PM
AASHTO approves the route number.  It's still FHWA's call.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: CanesFan27 on October 04, 2018, 04:07:37 PM
Quote from: froggie on October 04, 2018, 01:34:42 PM
AASHTO approves the route number.  It's still FHWA's call.

The details of the November 20, 2003 letter would solve that question.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on October 05, 2018, 10:10:04 AM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on October 04, 2018, 01:28:38 PM
Quote from: LM117 on September 15, 2018, 07:15:26 AM
Quote from: sparker on September 15, 2018, 02:20:17 AMSomehow, I don't think the substandard I-95/future I-295/US 13 interchange will escape scrutiny

Those bridges won't escape it either, given how anal AASHTO and FHWA are about standards these days. I'll be stunned if AASHTO goes along with this.

I'm also in agreement with Adam. I thought I-295 was a done deal years ago and that all NCDOT had to do was upgrade the substandard bridges and rebuild the I-95/US-13 interchange and let FHWA know then BAM! I-295 shields could then be posted.

Hell, I still can't figure out why NCDOT went through AASHTO earlier this year to get I-285 for US-52 between Winston-Salem and Lexington right after FHWA had given it's thumbs up. NCDOT didn't do that for I-87 on the Knightdale Bypass.

AASHTO Approved no questions asked.

https://route.transportation.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/50/2018/10/018_Report-to-CHS_USRN-Application-Results-AM-2018.pdf
So they approved 295, but not 285?
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: jcarte29 on October 05, 2018, 10:13:49 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on October 05, 2018, 10:10:04 AM

So they approved 295, but not 285?

They approved 285 a while back, just waitin for sign plans.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Strider on October 06, 2018, 11:39:45 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on October 05, 2018, 10:10:04 AM
Quote from: CanesFan27 on October 04, 2018, 01:28:38 PM
Quote from: LM117 on September 15, 2018, 07:15:26 AM
Quote from: sparker on September 15, 2018, 02:20:17 AMSomehow, I don't think the substandard I-95/future I-295/US 13 interchange will escape scrutiny

Those bridges won't escape it either, given how anal AASHTO and FHWA are about standards these days. I'll be stunned if AASHTO goes along with this.

I'm also in agreement with Adam. I thought I-295 was a done deal years ago and that all NCDOT had to do was upgrade the substandard bridges and rebuild the I-95/US-13 interchange and let FHWA know then BAM! I-295 shields could then be posted.

Hell, I still can't figure out why NCDOT went through AASHTO earlier this year to get I-285 for US-52 between Winston-Salem and Lexington right after FHWA had given it's thumbs up. NCDOT didn't do that for I-87 on the Knightdale Bypass.

AASHTO Approved no questions asked.

https://route.transportation.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/50/2018/10/018_Report-to-CHS_USRN-Application-Results-AM-2018.pdf
So they approved 295, but not 285?


I-285 will be signed by the end of this year.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on November 21, 2018, 04:09:14 PM
According to the latest NCDOT letting changes report, the letting of the final I-295 construction project from Camden Road to Strickland Bridge Road which was to occur in January has now been delayed until May 2019 due to conflicts over Right-of-Way issues. Full report: https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/12%20Month%20Tentative%20Letting%20Library/NOVEMBER%202018%20CHANGES%20REPORT.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/12%20Month%20Tentative%20Letting%20Library/NOVEMBER%202018%20CHANGES%20REPORT.pdf)

(Good news to report for I-87 fans, the project that will repave and widen the shoulders of US 64 to interstate standards in Martin County has been accelerated from Oct. to Sept. 2019 due to funding availability.)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on April 07, 2019, 06:06:25 PM
Right of Way issues have delayed construction of the final two segments of the Fayetteville Outer Loop (Future I-295). The first segment from US 401 to Strickland Bridge Rd that was to have been let next month is now to be let in September 2019. The second segment from Strickland Bridge Rd to Camden Rd has been delayed from September 2019 to March 2020. The March 2019 changes summary to the 12 month tentative letting list can be found at:
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/12%20Month%20Tentative%20Letting%20Library/MARCH%202019%20CHANGES%20REPORT.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/12%20Month%20Tentative%20Letting%20Library/MARCH%202019%20CHANGES%20REPORT.pdf)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: LM117 on July 23, 2019, 10:08:36 AM
As I mentioned in the Virginia thread during a side discussion, FHWA has added the completed sections of NC-295 to the interstate system as I-295. I don't know if the signs have been changed yet.

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/interstate_highway_system/routefinder/table02.cfm (https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/interstate_highway_system/routefinder/table02.cfm)

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/interstate_highway_system/routefinder/table03.cfm (https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/interstate_highway_system/routefinder/table03.cfm)

Apparently, they must've granted waivers for the substandard bridges and the US-13 interchange.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on July 23, 2019, 11:24:58 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 23, 2019, 10:08:36 AM
As I mentioned in the Virginia thread during a side discussion, FHWA has added the completed sections of NC-295 to the interstate system as I-295. I don't know if the signs have been changed yet.

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/interstate_highway_system/routefinder/table02.cfm (https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/interstate_highway_system/routefinder/table02.cfm)

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/interstate_highway_system/routefinder/table03.cfm (https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/interstate_highway_system/routefinder/table03.cfm)

Apparently, they must've granted waivers for the substandard bridges and the US-13 interchange.
I checked the Division 6 (which includes Cumberland County) letting list, there's no project so far this year, either awarded or advertised, that deals with replacing the NC 295 signage. Perhaps it will be done as part of signing the next section of the Loop to be opened late this year or early next between the All American Freeway and Cliffdale Road.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: LM117 on July 24, 2019, 07:47:15 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on July 23, 2019, 11:24:58 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 23, 2019, 10:08:36 AM
As I mentioned in the Virginia thread during a side discussion, FHWA has added the completed sections of NC-295 to the interstate system as I-295. I don't know if the signs have been changed yet.

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/interstate_highway_system/routefinder/table02.cfm (https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/interstate_highway_system/routefinder/table02.cfm)

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/interstate_highway_system/routefinder/table03.cfm (https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/interstate_highway_system/routefinder/table03.cfm)

Apparently, they must've granted waivers for the substandard bridges and the US-13 interchange.
I checked the Division 6 (which includes Cumberland County) letting list, there's no project so far this year, either awarded or advertised, that deals with replacing the NC 295 signage. Perhaps it will be done as part of signing the next section of the Loop to be opened late this year or early next between the All American Freeway and Cliffdale Road.

I agree. Funny thing about FHWA's logs is that on their website, they say the tables were updated back in May, but the tables themselves say they're accurate as of December 31, 2018, so the I-295 approval must've happened sometime late last year. NCDOT still hasn't posted FHWA's approval letter on their Route Changes page yet.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on July 25, 2019, 01:09:02 AM
I like I-295 how it's coming along nicely. I'm not sure why Wikipedia has it labeled as 'bypass'. I say it's more of a loop. Bypasses are for going around a city.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on July 25, 2019, 01:21:36 AM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 25, 2019, 01:09:02 AM
I say it's more of a loop. Bypasses are for going around a city.
I'd agree. I-295 acts as an urban interstate highway for local traffic and to link to/from I-95.

I-95 acts as the bypass more-or-less since it completely avoids the city, while I-295 goes into the urban area.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on July 26, 2019, 12:00:00 AM
Google maps needs to update the I-295 around Fayetteville so we can all see what it looks like. Even on Google Earth too.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Henry on July 26, 2019, 10:30:37 AM
Quote from: LM117 on July 23, 2019, 10:08:36 AM
As I mentioned in the Virginia thread during a side discussion, FHWA has added the completed sections of NC-295 to the interstate system as I-295. I don’t know if the signs have been changed yet.

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/interstate_highway_system/routefinder/table02.cfm (https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/interstate_highway_system/routefinder/table02.cfm)

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/interstate_highway_system/routefinder/table03.cfm (https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/interstate_highway_system/routefinder/table03.cfm)

Apparently, they must’ve granted waivers for the substandard bridges and the US-13 interchange.
In a sense, the northern terminus of I-295 is basically the same as the northern terminus of I-585, the southern terminus of I-180 in Cheyenne and I-70 in Breezewood. I was thinking that they'd try to remake it into a normal freeway-to-freeway interchange, but then decided against it for the moment. Probably won't be done until the whole thing is completed and opened to traffic, if at all.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on July 26, 2019, 10:35:12 AM
Quote from: Henry on July 26, 2019, 10:30:37 AM
Quote from: LM117 on July 23, 2019, 10:08:36 AM
As I mentioned in the Virginia thread during a side discussion, FHWA has added the completed sections of NC-295 to the interstate system as I-295. I don't know if the signs have been changed yet.

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/interstate_highway_system/routefinder/table02.cfm (https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/interstate_highway_system/routefinder/table02.cfm)

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/interstate_highway_system/routefinder/table03.cfm (https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/interstate_highway_system/routefinder/table03.cfm)

Apparently, they must've granted waivers for the substandard bridges and the US-13 interchange.
In a sense, the northern terminus of I-295 is basically the same as the northern terminus of I-585, the southern terminus of I-180 in Cheyenne and I-70 in Breezewood. I was thinking that they'd try to remake it into a normal freeway-to-freeway interchange, but then decided against it for the moment. Probably won't be done until the whole thing is completed and opened to traffic, if at all.
To be fair, the busiest movement is I-295 North to I-95 North and vice versa, and that -is- a freeway-to-freeway movement via a flyover and a direct ramp with no interruptions.

It's not a total at-grade interchange for I-295's side.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: vdeane on July 26, 2019, 12:56:26 PM
Yeah, three out of four movements are already freeway/freeway.  Only the I-95 NB to I-295 movement isn't.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on July 28, 2019, 01:19:05 AM
So, when the whole loop is complete it will be signed as I-295? I'm surprised they went with NC295.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Mapmikey on July 28, 2019, 10:01:05 AM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 28, 2019, 01:19:05 AM
So, when the whole loop is complete it will be signed as I-295? I'm surprised they went with NC295.

NC 295 is a placeholder designation until it is approved to be signed as I-295.  Just as North Carolina has done with NC 140 and the upcoming NC 74 on the Winston-Salem Beltway.  I-274 also has a placeholder designation, NC 452 (since NC 274 is already in the system, I suppose)

North Carolina also did this with NC 44 on the Goldsboro Bypass but this was before an interstate designation had been approved for that corridor. 

I'm curious to see if a temporary NC designation will go on the Shelby Bypass when it opens west of NC 226 later this year.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on July 28, 2019, 10:28:02 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on July 28, 2019, 10:01:05 AM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 28, 2019, 01:19:05 AM
So, when the whole loop is complete it will be signed as I-295? I'm surprised they went with NC295.

NC 295 is a placeholder designation until it is approved to be signed as I-295.  Just as North Carolina has done with NC 140 and the upcoming NC 74 on the Winston-Salem Beltway.  I-274 also has a placeholder designation, NC 452 (since NC 274 is already in the system, I suppose)

North Carolina also did this with NC 44 on the Goldsboro Bypass but this was before an interstate designation had been approved for that corridor. 

I'm curious to see if a temporary NC designation will go on the Shelby Bypass when it opens west of NC 226 later this year.

For the Shelby Bypass. I would also be curious. The Goldsboro bypass was once signed as NC44 when it was incomplete.

I'm surprised NC540 will never be changed to I-640.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on September 01, 2019, 12:27:51 PM
Transportation department goal: Finish I-295 around Fayetteville in 2024
(https://www.fayobserver.com/news/20190803/transportation-department-goal-finish-i-295-around-fayetteville-in-2024)
QuoteThe new bridge pylons near Raeford Road in western Fayetteville, and an odd bridge-like contraption over Interstate 95 south of Fayetteville are signs: Interstate 295 is tracking to be finished in the next five years or so.

Three of the four remaining segments of the billion-dollar Fayetteville Outer Loop are under construction, said state Department of Transportation spokesman Andrew Barksdale. The objective is to finish the project in 2024, he said.

Interstate 295 has been under construction since May 2000 and its first segment, from I-95 at U.S. 13 north of Fayetteville and Eastover to Ramsey Street north of Methodist University, opened in June 2003.

It has since been extended across northern Fayetteville to Murchison Road, Bragg Boulevard and the All-American Freeway on Fort Bragg. The next phases will bring I-295 through western Fayetteville, around Hope Mills south of Fayetteville and back to I-95 south of Fayetteville and north of St. Pauls in Robeson County.

Here is where the various pieces of the project stand, according to N.C. DOT documents and an interview with Barksdale.

All-American to Cliffdale Road

The segment from the I-295 interchange at the All-American Freeway to Cliffdale Road is under construction and due to be finished this fall.

It will include an interchange at Cliffdale Road and one near Reilly Road at Canopy Lane on Fort Bragg and is expected to ease traffic on surface streets in that area.

Cliffdale Road to Raeford Road

Construction of the 3.1 mile section from Cliffdale Road to Raeford Road began in August 2017 and is expected to open to traffic by the end of 2020 with an interchange at Raeford Road.

Raeford Road to Camden Road

The Raeford Road to Camden Road segment was delayed by about a year due to litigation over purchasing property for the project, Barksdale said.

The Transportation Department anticipates awarding the contract for this section in July of next year.

This segment has an interchange at Century Circle near Strickland Bridge Road in western Cumberland County.

Camden Road to I-95

Construction of I-295 is underway from I-95 in northern Robeson County to Camden Road west of Hope Mills and is due to be finished in July 2021.

Drivers on I-95 may notice when they drive under a conveyor belt that crosses the highway on the south end of the I-295 project. This is to make it easier to bring fill dirt to the construction site, Barksdale said.

The dirt is being dug up nearby on the east side of I-95, he said, and without the conveyor belt, the contractor would have to use large dump trucks to carry the dirt to the project. The trucks would have to make 109,000 trips, he said.

The conveyor system should save time and money, Barksdale said, plus ease construction traffic and construction vehicle wear-and-tear on the nearby roads.

This section of road will have interchanges at I-95, Parkton Road, the area of Old Plank Road and Black Bridge Road, and Camden Road.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on September 01, 2019, 01:02:45 PM
Jeez. So it takes them over 20 years to construct a loop around a city. I think Charlotte was the quickest. It was from the early 90's to 2015 which was 25 years maybe? and for Raleigh it's from like 1990 to 2028 maybe so that's 28 years. I guess loops take a long time to build.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on September 01, 2019, 01:10:45 PM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on September 01, 2019, 01:02:45 PM
Jeez. So it takes them over 20 years to construct a loop around a city. I think Charlotte was the quickest. It was from the early 90's to 2015 which was 25 years maybe? and for Raleigh it's from like 1990 to 2028 maybe so that's 28 years. I guess loops take a long time to build.
Only about 7 miles of the 34 mile loop opened 2003 - 2005, the most eastern portion between US-401 and I-95. The remaining 27 miles would have been opened in phases between 2016 - 2024.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on September 01, 2019, 02:09:32 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1116266,-78.975413,3a,22.5y,255.72h,89.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swf3Lq7_V-wEm2ACjXGsbAQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

This really needs an update. It's 2 years old and I'm sure all that part is black by now.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on September 01, 2019, 10:46:57 PM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on September 01, 2019, 02:09:32 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1116266,-78.975413,3a,22.5y,255.72h,89.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swf3Lq7_V-wEm2ACjXGsbAQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

This really needs an update. It's 2 years old and I'm sure all that part is black by now.
You can see that somewhat that the future extension has been paved in this August 2018 view from the ramp from the All American Freeway to 295. https://goo.gl/maps/c7qYGXwW9af9iWym6 (https://goo.gl/maps/c7qYGXwW9af9iWym6)

They have October 2018 images from the All American Freeway:
https://goo.gl/maps/w7VLkem6xGBPCuiZ7 (https://goo.gl/maps/w7VLkem6xGBPCuiZ7)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on September 02, 2019, 01:01:38 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on September 01, 2019, 10:46:57 PM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on September 01, 2019, 02:09:32 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1116266,-78.975413,3a,22.5y,255.72h,89.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swf3Lq7_V-wEm2ACjXGsbAQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

This really needs an update. It's 2 years old and I'm sure all that part is black by now.
You can see that somewhat that the future extension has been paved in this August 2018 view from the ramp from the All American Freeway to 295. https://goo.gl/maps/c7qYGXwW9af9iWym6 (https://goo.gl/maps/c7qYGXwW9af9iWym6)

They have October 2018 images from the All American Freeway:
https://goo.gl/maps/w7VLkem6xGBPCuiZ7 (https://goo.gl/maps/w7VLkem6xGBPCuiZ7)
great news, i'm just interested how they didn't get the 2019 update like we did here in Greenville.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on September 02, 2019, 06:44:47 AM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on September 02, 2019, 01:01:38 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on September 01, 2019, 10:46:57 PM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on September 01, 2019, 02:09:32 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1116266,-78.975413,3a,22.5y,255.72h,89.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swf3Lq7_V-wEm2ACjXGsbAQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

This really needs an update. It's 2 years old and I'm sure all that part is black by now.
You can see that somewhat that the future extension has been paved in this August 2018 view from the ramp from the All American Freeway to 295. https://goo.gl/maps/c7qYGXwW9af9iWym6 (https://goo.gl/maps/c7qYGXwW9af9iWym6)

They have October 2018 images from the All American Freeway:
https://goo.gl/maps/w7VLkem6xGBPCuiZ7 (https://goo.gl/maps/w7VLkem6xGBPCuiZ7)
great news, i'm just interested how they didn't get the 2019 update like we did here in Greenville.
Simple - either a street view car did not drive through there, or it's late being posted. There could be future imagery coming in the next few months... you know August / September 2019 imagery.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: LM117 on September 10, 2019, 01:26:04 PM
According to the NCDOT press release regarding the upcoming I-95 widening project between Eastover and Dunn, construction of a ramp connecting I-95 North to I-295 South is included in the project.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-09-10-major-overhaul-awaits-i-95.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-09-10-major-overhaul-awaits-i-95.aspx)

QuoteNear Fayetteville at exit 58, a ramp will be built to connect I-95 North traffic going to N.C. 295 South
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on September 10, 2019, 04:50:04 PM
Quote from: LM117 on September 10, 2019, 01:26:04 PM
According to the NCDOT press release regarding the upcoming I-95 widening project between Eastover and Dunn, construction of a ramp connecting I-95 North to I-295 South is included in the project.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-09-10-major-overhaul-awaits-i-95.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-09-10-major-overhaul-awaits-i-95.aspx)

QuoteNear Fayetteville at exit 58, a ramp will be built to connect I-95 North traffic going to N.C. 295 South
Will be interesting to see the design of the ramp. Likely a 1-2 lane semidirectional flyover mirroring the existing I-295 N to I-95 N flyover.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: froggie on September 10, 2019, 08:46:55 PM
Single lane semi-directional loop (https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/i-95-widening/Documents/preliminary-design-section-a-map-2.pdf).  Doesn't really need to be anything more given the lack of traffic making that movement.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Roadsguy on September 10, 2019, 08:54:17 PM
Reminds me of the similar ramp at the I-180/US 15/US 220 (https://goo.gl/maps/G5Lw93mTFy3X2nat8) interchange in Williamsport, PA.

Interesting that they're also realigning the existing northbound exit.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on September 10, 2019, 09:26:50 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on September 10, 2019, 08:54:17 PM
Reminds me of the similar ramp at the I-180/US 15/US 220 (https://goo.gl/maps/G5Lw93mTFy3X2nat8) interchange in Williamsport, PA.

Interesting that they're also realigning the existing northbound exit.
Also a similar design to the VA-168 North to US-17 South ramp in Hampton Roads at the I-64 I-464 interchange.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on September 10, 2019, 10:46:46 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 10, 2019, 09:26:50 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on September 10, 2019, 08:54:17 PM
Reminds me of the similar ramp at the I-180/US 15/US 220 (https://goo.gl/maps/G5Lw93mTFy3X2nat8) interchange in Williamsport, PA.

Interesting that they're also realigning the existing northbound exit.
Also a similar design to the VA-168 North to US-17 South ramp in Hampton Roads at the I-64 I-464 interchange.
Reminds me of the I-40 I-85 interchange in NC.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: roadman65 on September 10, 2019, 11:14:56 PM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on September 10, 2019, 10:46:46 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 10, 2019, 09:26:50 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on September 10, 2019, 08:54:17 PM
Reminds me of the similar ramp at the I-180/US 15/US 220 (https://goo.gl/maps/G5Lw93mTFy3X2nat8) interchange in Williamsport, PA.

Interesting that they're also realigning the existing northbound exit.
Also a similar design to the VA-168 North to US-17 South ramp in Hampton Roads at the I-64 I-464 interchange.
Reminds me of the I-40 I-85 interchange in NC.
This interchange?

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Greensboro,+NC/@36.0542933,-79.6944584,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x8853193f38c77b79:0x93b9c49478be12c8!8m2!3d36.0726354!4d-79.7919754
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on September 10, 2019, 11:16:53 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 10, 2019, 11:14:56 PM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on September 10, 2019, 10:46:46 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 10, 2019, 09:26:50 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on September 10, 2019, 08:54:17 PM
Reminds me of the similar ramp at the I-180/US 15/US 220 (https://goo.gl/maps/G5Lw93mTFy3X2nat8) interchange in Williamsport, PA.

Interesting that they're also realigning the existing northbound exit.
Also a similar design to the VA-168 North to US-17 South ramp in Hampton Roads at the I-64 I-464 interchange.
Reminds me of the I-40 I-85 interchange in NC.
This interchange?

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Greensboro,+NC/@36.0542933,-79.6944584,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x8853193f38c77b79:0x93b9c49478be12c8!8m2!3d36.0726354!4d-79.7919754
Nice try but I was talking about this one

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Greensboro,+NC/@36.0564154,-79.1269183,15.08z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x8853193f38c77b79:0x93b9c49478be12c8!8m2!3d36.0726354!4d-79.7919754
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: roadman65 on September 10, 2019, 11:23:12 PM
Ok that makes more sense.  You did find one similar to the one in Williamsport and soon in Eastover.  I think I-390's south terminus in NY State is similar too.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bath,+NY+14810/@42.3897487,-77.3967631,3825m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89d1ae13805ba023:0x78b612449fbec09f!8m2!3d42.3370164!4d-77.3177577  Actually correct on that one.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on September 13, 2019, 09:43:32 PM
I have posted photos of construction started for the future southern I-295 interchange with I-95 near St. Pauls courtesy of Adam Prince. It includes photos of the conveyor belt the contractor built across I-95 to expedite removal of excavated dirt:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Ffut295ap919cw.jpg&hash=184a9379b5758280402a855438d7d353f63d6a8d)

The complete set at: http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html#aug16 (http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html#aug16)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: roadman65 on September 14, 2019, 10:14:37 AM
Quote from: vdeane on July 26, 2019, 12:56:26 PM
Yeah, three out of four movements are already freeway/freeway.  Only the I-95 NB to I-295 movement isn't.
Check out the I-14 E Bound to I-35 S Bound movement in Texas!  It has a Breezewood where you must use the freeway frontage roads of both highways to make the connection.  Maybe when I-14 becomes into more of an interstate (now just being a spur to I-35) it will get that needed direct ramp.

However, I-14 being done completely many not happen until our grandkid's are elderly, and most likely my niece, born in 2003, won't even see it completed in Texas.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: vdeane on September 14, 2019, 10:42:04 PM
Hey, it could  (https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4474835,-73.7415779,373m/data=!3m1!1e3) be (https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4740593,-73.7109995,870m/data=!3m1!1e3) worse (https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4942687,-73.6787597,366m/data=!3m1!1e3) (check out those traffic lights!).  :ded:
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on October 02, 2019, 02:17:40 PM
NCDOT press release touting the contractor's conveyor belt system for dirt removal as part of future southern I-95 interchange with I-295. Release also reveals the final completion date is now 2025:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-02-conveyor-belt-fayetteville-outer-loop-project.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-02-conveyor-belt-fayetteville-outer-loop-project.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: The Ghostbuster on October 02, 2019, 02:50:37 PM
What configuration will the southern Interstate 95/295 interchange be built in? Hopefully, all ramps will be on the right-hand-side. I abhor left-handed ramps.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on October 02, 2019, 06:03:19 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 02, 2019, 02:50:37 PM
What configuration will the southern Interstate 95/295 interchange be built in? Hopefully, all ramps will be on the right-hand-side. I abhor left-handed ramps.
As of June 2018, it appears to be a trumpet interchange, with favorable movements from I-295 South to I-95 South and vice versa. All ramps will be full freeway-to-freeway connections, and right side.

(https://www.fayobserver.com/storyimage/NC/20180620/NEWS/180629844/EP/1/1/EP-180629844.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: LM117 on October 10, 2019, 04:15:56 PM
A ceremony was held to dedicate the section of I-295 between I-95 and Ramsey Street as the Lyndo Tippett Highway.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-10-ncdot-dedicates-lyndo-tippett-highway.aspx  (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-10-ncdot-dedicates-lyndo-tippett-highway.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: LM117 on October 16, 2019, 10:44:14 AM
The next section between the All-American Freeway and Cliffdale Road is scheduled to open next month.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-16-i-295-south-closure-needed.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-16-i-295-south-closure-needed.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on October 16, 2019, 04:46:14 PM
Quote from: LM117 on October 16, 2019, 10:44:14 AM
The next section between the All-American Freeway and Cliffdale Road is scheduled to open next month.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-16-i-295-south-closure-needed.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-16-i-295-south-closure-needed.aspx)
Nice, that's another one to November's list.

This means that NCDOT will be opening at least 23 miles of new freeway by the end of November, the 11-mile NC-11 Greenville Southwest Bypass, the 6-mile US-17 Pollocksville Bypass, and now another 6-miles of the I-295 Fayetteville Outer Loop.

In December, an additional 2 miles of the I-840 Greensboro Urban Loop is also projected to be opened.

That makes for at least 25 miles of new freeway to come by the end of the year.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: RoadPelican on October 17, 2019, 10:48:52 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on October 16, 2019, 04:46:14 PM
Quote from: LM117 on October 16, 2019, 10:44:14 AM
The next section between the All-American Freeway and Cliffdale Road is scheduled to open next month.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-16-i-295-south-closure-needed.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-16-i-295-south-closure-needed.aspx)
Nice, that's another one to November's list.

This means that NCDOT will be opening at least 23 miles of new freeway by the end of November, the 11-mile NC-11 Greenville Southwest Bypass, the 6-mile US-17 Pollocksville Bypass, and now another 6-miles of the I-295 Fayetteville Outer Loop.

In December, an additional 2 miles of the I-840 Greensboro Urban Loop is also projected to be opened.

That makes for at least 25 miles of new freeway to come by the end of the year.

Also the first segment of the Winston Salem Beltway should be complete by years end.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: The Ghostbuster on October 17, 2019, 04:01:13 PM
The first segment of the Winston-Salem Beltway will be signposted as NC 74, not Interstate 74, correct?
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on October 17, 2019, 04:09:25 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 17, 2019, 04:01:13 PM
The first segment of the Winston-Salem Beltway will be signposted as NC 74, not Interstate 74, correct?
Yes, it will only receive the I-74 designation once it's linked to I-74, which should be in just a couple years. The entire beltway between I-74 and the northern US-52 freeway is fully funded and mostly under construction I believe, so just about 3-5 years until Winston-Salem will have a full eastern bypass
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on November 24, 2019, 12:48:55 PM
This video indicates the next section of the Loop to Cliffdale Road will open after a ribbon-cutting ceremony Tuesday (11/26) afternoon. The sign in the background shows, apparently, that the section from the All-American Freeway north/east to I-95 will be designated I-295 at that time (I don't know if the new section will be, the mile 20 marker without an I-295 shield implies it will be designated NC 295 until the next section to Raeford Rd/US 401 is open in about a year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFSnqoR0Jk0&fbclid=IwAR1OY0U36PJ_r0zj5deWqDDd4XI51rqCiANzEJSYGm6ttcCqtcbvDdakVHs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFSnqoR0Jk0&fbclid=IwAR1OY0U36PJ_r0zj5deWqDDd4XI51rqCiANzEJSYGm6ttcCqtcbvDdakVHs)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on November 26, 2019, 05:14:22 PM
The segment between the All-American Freeway to Cliffdale Road (not according to the press release) has opened:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-11-26-fayetteville-outer-loop-segment-opens.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-11-26-fayetteville-outer-loop-segment-opens.aspx)

The Fayetteville Observer has an article about the ribbon cutting, featuring a few aerial photos of the Cliffdale Road interchange:
https://www.fayobserver.com/news/20191126/long-awaited-segment-of-outer-loop-opens-to-much-fanfare (https://www.fayobserver.com/news/20191126/long-awaited-segment-of-outer-loop-opens-to-much-fanfare)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on November 27, 2019, 12:45:53 PM
Another link to a report on the opening of the new section. The report shows that the Loop south of the All-American Freeway is signed as NC 295 while that to the north to I-95 is, or will be soon, signed as I-295:
https://www.wral.com/ribbon-cutting-marks-fayetteville-outer-loop-official-opening/18796078/ (https://www.wral.com/ribbon-cutting-marks-fayetteville-outer-loop-official-opening/18796078/)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on November 28, 2019, 05:27:27 PM
A video was uploaded to YouTube driving the entire new section southbound.

The quality isn't the greatest, but it's good enough to see the important stuff such as the signage, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWPRuQGHeJE

The new section is indeed signed as NC-295, no sight of I-295 shields. The overhead signage on the ramp from All American Fwy southbound to NC-295 still shows "NC-295 North" instead of "I-295 North", so it looks like they're still in the process of eventually changing the signage out. There also appears to currently be no control city for southbound, and no space on the signs for it to be added later. I imagine ultimately it would be Hope Mills and have "To I-95" shields. A few more years though, the entire loop will be completed from either end of I-95 and fully signed as I-295. It's all a work in progress one piece at a time, and so far NCDOT has been doing a good job keeping it a continuous process without any long-term (5-10+ years) delay. The remaining sections are either under construction or in the process of R/W acquisition, and fully funded for construction phase in the next year.




In the end, it would have about 20 years for the completion for a 40 mile interstate highway beltway around Fayetteville, linking I-95, Fort Bragg, the All American Freeway, and the suburbs and taking traffic off local congested routes that had no freeway options previously. Not a bad result, especially today's age of highway construction.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on December 24, 2019, 09:15:37 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 02, 2019, 02:50:37 PM
What configuration will the southern Interstate 95/295 interchange be built in? Hopefully, all ramps will be on the right-hand-side. I abhor left-handed ramps.
What's wrong with the left-hand ramps? Is it because of accidents?

____________________________________________________________

When looking at I-295 on the AADT, the highest I see is at 38,000. If it increases to 60,000 then it should have been built as 6 lanes instead.

Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 25, 2019, 05:38:02 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 24, 2019, 09:15:37 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 02, 2019, 02:50:37 PM
What configuration will the southern Interstate 95/295 interchange be built in? Hopefully, all ramps will be on the right-hand-side. I abhor left-handed ramps.
What's wrong with the left-hand ramps? Is it because of accidents?
If I'm not mistaken, it will be all right-hand ramps from I-95.  I have the pictures, and I intend to add them to Wikimedia Commons before the year is over.  And I'm still convinced this is going to be Exit 38.

Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on December 25, 2019, 05:47:50 PM
^

Quote from: sprjus4 on October 02, 2019, 06:03:19 PM
As of June 2018, it appears to be a trumpet interchange, with favorable movements from I-295 South to I-95 South and vice versa. All ramps will be full freeway-to-freeway connections, and right side.

(https://www.fayobserver.com/storyimage/NC/20180620/NEWS/180629844/EP/1/1/EP-180629844.jpg)

More detailed maps from NCDOT on the southern project -

https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Design%20Build%20Program/U-2519AA%20and%20AB/Public%20Hearing%20Map%20SHEET%2001%20OF%2021.pdf
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Design%20Build%20Program/U-2519AA%20and%20AB/Public%20Hearing%20Map%20SHEET%2002%20OF%2021%202.pdf
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Design%20Build%20Program/U-2519AA%20and%20AB/Public%20Hearing%20Map%20Sheet%2003%20of%2021.pdf
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on December 25, 2019, 06:03:56 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 25, 2019, 05:47:50 PM
^

Quote from: sprjus4 on October 02, 2019, 06:03:19 PM
As of June 2018, it appears to be a trumpet interchange, with favorable movements from I-295 South to I-95 South and vice versa. All ramps will be full freeway-to-freeway connections, and right side.

(https://www.fayobserver.com/storyimage/NC/20180620/NEWS/180629844/EP/1/1/EP-180629844.jpg)

More detailed maps from NCDOT on the southern project -

https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Design%20Build%20Program/U-2519AA%20and%20AB/Public%20Hearing%20Map%20SHEET%2001%20OF%2021.pdf
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Design%20Build%20Program/U-2519AA%20and%20AB/Public%20Hearing%20Map%20SHEET%2002%20OF%2021%202.pdf
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Design%20Build%20Program/U-2519AA%20and%20AB/Public%20Hearing%20Map%20Sheet%2003%20of%2021.pdf
Where did you get those documents from? Because I'm sure there are a handful of projects that are besides that. And by the way, the links look like they are from like 2005 or 2006.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on December 25, 2019, 06:09:51 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 25, 2019, 06:03:56 PM
Where did you get those documents from? Because I'm sure there are a handful of projects that are besides that. And by the way, the links look like they are from like 2005 or 2006.
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Design-Build-Letting-Details.aspx?let_id=U-2519AA%20and%20AB

They are outdated, but the only thing I've ever seen. The alignment is still the same though, the only difference is the 70 ft median has likely been reduced to 46 ft as has happened on most projects, though I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on December 25, 2019, 06:26:53 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 25, 2019, 06:09:51 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 25, 2019, 06:03:56 PM
Where did you get those documents from? Because I'm sure there are a handful of projects that are besides that. And by the way, the links look like they are from like 2005 or 2006.
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Design-Build-Letting-Details.aspx?let_id=U-2519AA%20and%20AB

They are outdated, but the only thing I've ever seen. The alignment is still the same though, the only difference is the 70 ft median has likely been reduced to 46 ft as has happened on most projects, though I could be wrong.
They should have kept it 70 ft!
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on December 25, 2019, 06:28:50 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 25, 2019, 06:26:53 PM
They should have kept it 70 ft!
Higher costs, larger right of way footprint, more impact, etc.

What are the true benefits of having a median 70 ft over 46 ft?

I'm not saying I'm against a wider 70 ft median, but if it can cut costs by reducing it, I'm all for reducing it. Anything narrower than that though is cutting it too much. A 46 ft median with a cable guardrail is adequate.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on December 25, 2019, 06:43:34 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 25, 2019, 06:28:50 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 25, 2019, 06:26:53 PM
They should have kept it 70 ft!
Higher costs, larger right of way footprint, more impact, etc.

What are the true benefits of having a median 70 ft over 46 ft?

I'm not saying I'm against a wider 70 ft median, but if it can cut costs by reducing it, I'm all for reducing it. Anything narrower than that though is cutting it too much. A 46 ft median with a cable guardrail is adequate.
I was thinking 70 was better because you are not as close to oncoming traffic. I'm sure at night when people put on their high beams you can blind them easily.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 25, 2019, 07:22:58 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 25, 2019, 06:43:34 PM
I'm sure at night when people put on their high beams you can blind them easily.

No, the solution to that is the DOT's enforcing their illumines for headlights when inspecting.  People who don't go off road don't need the most powerful headlights.....  Those types of lights should be restricted to lightbars on top of off-road vehicles.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: oscar on December 25, 2019, 07:32:11 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on December 25, 2019, 07:22:58 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 25, 2019, 06:43:34 PM
I'm sure at night when people put on their high beams you can blind them easily.

No, the solution to that is the DOT's enforcing their illumines for headlights when inspecting.  People who don't go off road don't need the most powerful headlights.....  Those types of lights should be restricted to lightbars on top of off-road vehicles.

Standard headlight assemblies include both low and high beams -- it's not just roof-mounted lightbars. The problem is getting drivers to use only low beams except when there is no other traffic.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on December 25, 2019, 07:37:38 PM
Quote from: oscar on December 25, 2019, 07:32:11 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on December 25, 2019, 07:22:58 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 25, 2019, 06:43:34 PM
I'm sure at night when people put on their high beams you can blind them easily.

No, the solution to that is the DOT's enforcing their illumines for headlights when inspecting.  People who don't go off road don't need the most powerful headlights.....  Those types of lights should be restricted to lightbars on top of off-road vehicles.

Standard headlight assemblies include both low and high beams -- it's not just roof-mounted lightbars. The problem is getting drivers to use only low beams except when there is no other traffic.
That was my point. When I see people driving on the new southwest bypass some people use their high beams and it kind of blinds me when I drive on it :D. There is ABSOLUTELY NO lighting at any interchange whatsoever. So the less lighting you use, the more frequent that people would turn on their high beams.

And to you rickmastfan, normally I see trucks and work vehicles using those type of lights.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 25, 2019, 07:41:49 PM
Quote from: oscar on December 25, 2019, 07:32:11 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on December 25, 2019, 07:22:58 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 25, 2019, 06:43:34 PM
I'm sure at night when people put on their high beams you can blind them easily.

No, the solution to that is the DOT's enforcing their illumines for headlights when inspecting.  People who don't go off road don't need the most powerful headlights.....  Those types of lights should be restricted to lightbars on top of off-road vehicles.

Standard headlight assemblies include both low and high beams -- it's not just roof-mounted lightbars. The problem is getting drivers to use only low beams except when there is no other traffic.

My car has separate bulbs for each light setting, just saying.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 25, 2019, 07:44:32 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 25, 2019, 07:37:38 PM
So the less lighting you use, the more frequent that people would turn on their high beams.

Trust me, that ain't true.  I've seen people use their high lights all the time in very lighted areas.  They just want to be jerks when it comes to that, and if you flash them to tell them they have them on, they go into 'road rage' mode.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on December 25, 2019, 07:50:13 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on December 25, 2019, 07:44:32 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 25, 2019, 07:37:38 PM
So the less lighting you use, the more frequent that people would turn on their high beams.

Trust me, that ain't true.  I've seen people use their high lights all the time in very lighted areas.  They just want to be jerks when it comes to that, and if you flash them to tell them they have them on, they go into 'road rage' mode.
Well it did kind of happen where I live where some idiots would turn on their high beams and don't them off when they come from a dark area. That could be a mistake or them trying to commit a crime. We live in the darkest areas so they happen pretty frequently where I live.

And if they go into road-rage mode, call a cop and they can get that problem all sorted out!
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on December 25, 2019, 07:55:30 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 25, 2019, 07:50:13 PM
And if they go into road-rage mode, call a cop and they can get that problem all sorted out!
Unfortunately, reality doesn't work like that. It's like when anti-gun activists say you don't need a gun for self-defense, if someone breaks into your home, just call the cops.

When the cops show up 15 minutes later, and you had no gun to defend yourself because "you don't need it" , somebody could be dead, and not the suspect.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on December 25, 2019, 08:05:54 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 25, 2019, 07:55:30 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 25, 2019, 07:50:13 PM
And if they go into road-rage mode, call a cop and they can get that problem all sorted out!
Unfortunately, reality doesn't work like that. It's like when anti-gun activists say you don't need a gun for self-defense, if someone breaks into your home, just call the cops.

When the cops show up 15 minutes later, and you had no gun to defend yourself because "you don't need it" , somebody could be dead, and not the suspect.
Like them shooting at their own team? I've never had anyone break into my house and do any shootings (which is not frequent in wealthy neighborhoods). Although we've had thieves and someone try to steal food (and it did happen before and i was SO pissed off!) and I had to call the cops. It was a shame >:(
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: ozarkman417 on December 25, 2019, 08:55:38 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 25, 2019, 08:05:54 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 25, 2019, 07:55:30 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 25, 2019, 07:50:13 PM
And if they go into road-rage mode, call a cop and they can get that problem all sorted out!
Unfortunately, reality doesn't work like that. It's like when anti-gun activists say you don't need a gun for self-defense, if someone breaks into your home, just call the cops.

When the cops show up 15 minutes later, and you had no gun to defend yourself because "you don't need it" , somebody could be dead, and not the suspect.
Like them shooting at their own team? I've never had anyone break into my house and do any shootings (which is not frequent in wealthy neighborhoods). Although we've had thieves and someone try to steal food (and it did happen before and i was SO pissed off!) and I had to call the cops. It was a shame >:(
What did the cops do about that? I've seen many videos where the suspect simply leaves before the cops arrive.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on December 25, 2019, 09:04:06 PM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on December 25, 2019, 08:55:38 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 25, 2019, 08:05:54 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 25, 2019, 07:55:30 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 25, 2019, 07:50:13 PM
And if they go into road-rage mode, call a cop and they can get that problem all sorted out!
Unfortunately, reality doesn't work like that. It's like when anti-gun activists say you don't need a gun for self-defense, if someone breaks into your home, just call the cops.

When the cops show up 15 minutes later, and you had no gun to defend yourself because "you don't need it" , somebody could be dead, and not the suspect.
Like them shooting at their own team? I've never had anyone break into my house and do any shootings (which is not frequent in wealthy neighborhoods). Although we've had thieves and someone try to steal food (and it did happen before and i was SO pissed off!) and I had to call the cops. It was a shame >:(
What did the cops do about that? I've seen many videos where the suspect simply leaves before the cops arrive.
They would take a picture of the suspect, with all the havoc that they did, and they may catch him on camera or run! And he would get taken into custody.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: VTGoose on December 25, 2019, 10:24:39 PM
Quote from: oscar on December 25, 2019, 07:32:11 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on December 25, 2019, 07:22:58 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 25, 2019, 06:43:34 PM
I'm sure at night when people put on their high beams you can blind them easily.

No, the solution to that is the DOT's enforcing their illumines for headlights when inspecting.  People who don't go off road don't need the most powerful headlights.....  Those types of lights should be restricted to lightbars on top of off-road vehicles.

Standard headlight assemblies include both low and high beams -- it's not just roof-mounted lightbars. The problem is getting drivers to use only low beams except when there is no other traffic.

Part of the problem is improvement in lighting that has made for brighter lights (and brighter aftermarket lights for those who aren't happy with dim bulbs). Newer vehicles now have projector lamps instead of the broad scatter of older lamps. What may appear to be high beams may just be more intense lights.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 28, 2019, 09:04:21 AM
Getting off the subjects of lighting and the problems with gun control laws, the construction is revealed, albeit just from the southbound lane:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SB_I-95_(NC)_Underpass_before_Future_Exit_38.jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Future_SB_Exit_38_on_I-95_in_North_Carolina.jpg


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SB_I-95_and_Future_I-295_(NC);_MM_38.jpg


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SB_I-95_(NC)_Future_I-295_Bridge.jpg


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SB_I-95_(NC);_Construction_Bridge_of_I-295;_Exit_38.jpg

There also seems to be another bridge running parallel to the northbound lane, but I couldn't get a shot of it.

Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on January 10, 2020, 11:59:49 AM
A Robeson County bridge over I-95 will be closed for a year and rebuilt as part of the Future I-295 interchange project:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-01-10-robeson-county-bridge-replacement.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-01-10-robeson-county-bridge-replacement.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on February 28, 2020, 11:50:49 AM
The latest NCDOT Tentative Letting List has further delayed the start of the last segment of the I-295 Fayetteville Loop. Originally to be let this June, the letting was earlier delayed to November and now to Feb. 16, 2021. This probably guarantees the Loop won't be completed now until 2025.

The latest Letting List changes report: https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/12%20Month%20Tentative%20Letting%20Library/FEBRUARY%202020%20CHANGES%20REPORT.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/12%20Month%20Tentative%20Letting%20Library/FEBRUARY%202020%20CHANGES%20REPORT.pdf)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 20, 2020, 12:57:34 AM
FYI bob, all my photos were taken on December 4, 2019. None were taken on December 5.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on May 06, 2020, 12:05:24 PM
NCDOT officially approved an ordinance on April 21 that NC 295 is the designation for the Fayetteville Outer Loop for 5.7 miles south of the All American Freeway to Cliffdale Road. The request was actually approved last summer when there was no response to the proposal from the "Route Change Community".  The route change document is at:
https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Ordinance%20Packages/2020/2020_04_21.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Ordinance%20Packages/2020/2020_04_21.pdf)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on May 30, 2020, 04:39:44 AM
NCDOT has released revised designs for 6 interchanges along the I-95 Widening Project from Exit 81 to Exit 56, that includes a redesign of the I-295 / I-95 northern interchange from the previous turnaround flyover proposal.

(https://i.ibb.co/pfVdSwk/I295-I95-Interchange-NC.png)

https://poll.cityzenapp.us/7963/
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: LM117 on June 16, 2020, 03:00:42 PM
Minor progress update.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-06-16-fayetteville-outer-loop-requires-closure.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-06-16-fayetteville-outer-loop-requires-closure.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on June 22, 2020, 10:14:54 PM
I have posted recent photos taken by David Johnson driving through the future southern I-295 interchange area along I-95 North, which now includes a couple bridges across the interstate:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Ffut295dj620f.jpg&hash=1cf9d402b73d2d8037393b73ca8fe5d7561201e5)

Remainder of the photos at: http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on June 28, 2020, 05:39:15 PM
I've added more photos from David Johnson taken this past week along the current length of the Fayetteville Outer Loop heading north from Cliffdale Road to I-95, the only I-295 sign still in evidence are at the All American Freeway/Fort Bragg interchange:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi295dj620l.jpg&hash=1af8772aea86bb6f163e27c928ef1d5727f35189)

Rest of the photos at: http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on July 25, 2020, 06:48:11 PM
New Street View (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.9055507,-78.9573072,3a,75y,214.74h,85.49t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAF1QipM4sF8Tzkz8nZB5WSjWURSC9FT-pCzigvLdh2fY!2e10!3e11!7i7680!8i3840!5m1!1e1) from July 2020 along I-95 in both directions showing progress at the future I-295 southern interchange.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on July 26, 2020, 03:04:47 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 25, 2020, 06:48:11 PM
New Street View (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.9055507,-78.9573072,3a,75y,214.74h,85.49t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAF1QipM4sF8Tzkz8nZB5WSjWURSC9FT-pCzigvLdh2fY!2e10!3e11!7i7680!8i3840!5m1!1e1) from July 2020 along I-95 in both directions showing progress at the future I-295 southern interchange.
Nifty. Even with the corona..

Why isn't the quality the best? Unless it was taken by someone?
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on July 26, 2020, 09:32:35 AM
Why does it appear that the bridges are not long enough to handle a someday widening of 95 to 8 lanes?
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on July 26, 2020, 09:50:49 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 26, 2020, 03:04:47 AM
Why isn't the quality the best? Unless it was taken by someone?
That particular imagery doesn't appear to be taken by Google, but rather another company.

I usually don't care for the third party imagery since it's lower quality, but in this particular instance, it's much more updated than Google's so I don't mind it.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on July 26, 2020, 09:54:15 AM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on July 26, 2020, 09:32:35 AM
Why does it appear that the bridges are not long enough to handle a someday widening of 95 to 8 lanes?
Widening on that section to 8 lanes is scheduled to begin next year, from US-301 / I-95 Business to US-301 in Lumberton, then a second project extending down to I-74.

The bridges are long enough to accommodate a new outside lane and a new median lane in each direction.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Strider on July 26, 2020, 02:37:46 PM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on July 26, 2020, 09:32:35 AM
Why does it appear that the bridges are not long enough to handle a someday widening of 95 to 8 lanes?


The bridges are wide enough. I-95 in that section will be widened to 8 lanes with a jersey median, according to the project maps.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on August 18, 2020, 05:10:41 PM
The next segment of the I-295 Fayetteville Outer Loop between Cliffdale Rd and US-401 Raeford Rd will be opening to traffic tomorrow, August 19.

Note the bottom part of the release that discusses I-295 vs. NC-295.

This segment appears to have a 70 foot median similar to the segment between the All American Fwy and NC-210 vs. the previous segments that have had a 46 foot median.

Fayetteville Outer Loop to Open at Raeford Road (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-08-18-loop-opening-raeford-road.aspx)
QuoteFAYETTEVILLE — A 2.7-mile segment of the Fayetteville Outer Loop is expected to open Wednesday afternoon nearly three months ahead of schedule.

Barnhill Contracting Co. of Rocky Mount plans to remove the barriers, uncover the recently installed overhead signs and open the new interchange at Raeford Road, west of the Veterans Affairs hospital, sometime Wednesday after lunch. Drivers then will be able to hop onto Interstate 295 and travel to the Cliffdale Road interchange, which opened in November, and northward to I-95.

"This vital urban loop continues to improve regional mobility and reduce traffic congestion in town,"  said Grady Hunt, the area's representative on the N.C. Board of Transportation. "With this new segment, people living in Hoke County and western Cumberland County will be able to get to Fort Bragg more quickly."

With the new segment, a little more than half (22 miles) of the eventual 39-mile outer loop has been built. The first segment opened in 2003.

The cost to finalize the design, buy the right of way and construct this segment will total about $108 million, after the N.C. Department of Transportation awarded the design-build contract in 2016.

The contract includes completing several bridges that remain under construction immediately south of Raeford Road. That portion of I-295 will open after the NCDOT completes the segment extending south of Raeford Road to Camden Road, which will have an interchange. The NCDOT currently is scheduled to award a construction contract for that segment in August 2022.

The signs for the new Raeford Road segment, as well the segment that opened last fall, say "Interstate 295."  The Federal Highway Administration has allowed NCDOT to designate the entire Outer Loop as I-295. The department eventually will replace the older "N.C. 295"  signs with ones baring the interstate shield.

Drone footage of new segment: https://vimeo.com/446904300/bb75d69af0 (https://vimeo.com/446904300/bb75d69af0)
Some photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ncdot/sets/72157715464280492/
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on August 19, 2020, 08:56:19 PM
This gallery on the Fayetteville Observer website shows I-295 signs being uncovered as the road is opened:
https://www.fayobserver.com/picture-gallery/news/2020/08/19/fayetteville-outer-loop-opens-raeford-road/3392469001/ (https://www.fayobserver.com/picture-gallery/news/2020/08/19/fayetteville-outer-loop-opens-raeford-road/3392469001/)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sernum on August 19, 2020, 11:17:26 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on August 19, 2020, 08:56:19 PM
This gallery on the Fayetteville Observer website shows I-295 signs being uncovered as the road is opened:
https://www.fayobserver.com/picture-gallery/news/2020/08/19/fayetteville-outer-loop-opens-raeford-road/3392469001/ (https://www.fayobserver.com/picture-gallery/news/2020/08/19/fayetteville-outer-loop-opens-raeford-road/3392469001/)
Do we have a paywall warning? i feel like those would help. also are these the same photos on ncdot's flickr?
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on August 20, 2020, 12:02:06 AM
Quote from: sernum on August 19, 2020, 11:17:26 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on August 19, 2020, 08:56:19 PM
This gallery on the Fayetteville Observer website shows I-295 signs being uncovered as the road is opened:
https://www.fayobserver.com/picture-gallery/news/2020/08/19/fayetteville-outer-loop-opens-raeford-road/3392469001/ (https://www.fayobserver.com/picture-gallery/news/2020/08/19/fayetteville-outer-loop-opens-raeford-road/3392469001/)
Do we have a paywall warning? i feel like those would help. also are these the same photos on ncdot's flickr?
Different photos.
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/08/19/NTFO/ac52439a-0528-4fa1-812a-7d5eba12e83e-3392469001_01.jpg?width=2560)
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/08/19/NTFO/bbe073c7-aeea-4bec-98d1-a5672dc89c28-3392469001_02.jpg?width=2560)
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/08/19/NTFO/38285294-0c60-484f-b868-3506770a805b-3392469001_03.jpg?width=2560)
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/08/19/NTFO/43947703-3200-43c2-9efc-b8523a3cd0f6-3392469001_04.jpg?width=640)
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/08/19/NTFO/ecfca27e-0338-4518-8995-599b9712b479-3392469001_05.jpg?width=640)
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/08/19/NTFO/726dc5ff-33be-4323-ba75-951e0cd9532f-3392469001_06.jpg?width=640)
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/08/19/NTFO/f06f11ca-e185-440b-89a1-f279c657894a-3392469001_07.jpg?width=640)
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/08/19/NTFO/7a674c89-52bb-4922-900a-806a81371ea2-3392469001_08.jpg?width=640)
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/08/19/NTFO/4bc0af78-2d8a-4cfd-8673-c414d16fd203-3392469001_09.jpg?width=640)
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/08/19/NTFO/6f18d15e-7111-4b18-87df-cb8e3a48b4dc-3392469001_10.jpg?width=640)
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/08/19/NTFO/6c2a3cf5-7ca6-4930-b10a-fff75c52ce3e-3392469001_11.jpg?width=640)
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/08/19/NTFO/8574aed2-1d2d-48e9-b488-78a06e003c05-3392469001_12.jpg?width=640)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: RoadPelican on August 20, 2020, 01:21:16 PM
The NCDOT press release is poorly written in regards to future segments of the Fayetteville Outer Loop, here's what I found out via some research on the NCDOT website

To Open in Summer of 2022:

A short 1 mile segment from Raeford Rd (US 401) to Century Circle

Also in Summer of 2022: The southern segment from I-95 to Camden Road

(This will create a hole in the loop from Century Circle to Camden Road)

To Open in Summer 2026: (assuming construction starts in Summer 2022)

The last section of the loop from Century Cir to Camden Rd, then the loop will be fully complete!
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sernum on August 20, 2020, 03:46:05 PM
speaking of sections, why is it impossible to find public meeting design maps on the loop :confused:
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on August 21, 2020, 09:51:56 PM
I've posted photos taken along the newly opened section courtesy of David Johnson, they include construction that continues at the current end of I-295 South:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi295dj820l.jpg&hash=d439b93eda4ab82512f9b88a4f5ebdaf41933899)

Remaining photos at: http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html#photos)

-- fixed URL code. -rmf67
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Stephane Dumas on August 22, 2020, 10:42:44 AM
Quote from: sernum on August 19, 2020, 11:17:26 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on August 19, 2020, 08:56:19 PM
This gallery on the Fayetteville Observer website shows I-295 signs being uncovered as the road is opened:
https://www.fayobserver.com/picture-gallery/news/2020/08/19/fayetteville-outer-loop-opens-raeford-road/3392469001/ (https://www.fayobserver.com/picture-gallery/news/2020/08/19/fayetteville-outer-loop-opens-raeford-road/3392469001/)
Do we have a paywall warning? i feel like those would help. also are these the same photos on ncdot's flickr?


I find some loopholes to bypass the paywall warning by using Archive.today and/or the Wayback Machine. Sometimes that work, sometimes that don't work
http://archive.vn/WUPgZ
https://web.archive.org/web/20200822144011if_/https://www.fayobserver.com/picture-gallery/news/2020/08/19/fayetteville-outer-loop-opens-raeford-road/3392469001/
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on August 22, 2020, 10:45:35 AM
^

On Google, I'll usually just disable Flash and JavaScript, and it works most of the time.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: LM117 on August 22, 2020, 11:59:21 AM
I got around that paywall by going incognito on Chrome. Works for me in most cases, though usually I'll have to enable cookies for it to work.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on August 22, 2020, 12:19:49 PM
Quote from: LM117 on August 22, 2020, 11:59:21 AM
I got around that paywall by going incognito on Chrome. Works for me in most cases, though usually I'll have to enable cookies for it to work.
I've tried this, and while I have success on some sites, others will immediately detect Incognito mode.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 27, 2020, 04:07:12 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on August 21, 2020, 09:51:56 PM
I've posted photos taken along the newly opened section courtesy of David Johnson, they include construction that continues at the current end of I-295 South:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fncfutints%2Fi295dj820l.jpg&hash=d439b93eda4ab82512f9b88a4f5ebdaf41933899)

Remaining photos at: http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html#photos)

-- fixed URL code. -rmf67
Nice. You still have the dates wrong on most of my pictures, though.

Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: LM117 on August 27, 2020, 06:48:46 PM
Google Maps is now showing the new segment.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Roadsguy on September 03, 2020, 09:57:39 PM
I recently got a hold of the construction plans for the I-95—Camden Road section of the loop, and confirmed some suspicions about them by contacting NCDOT:

First, section A (I-95—Camden Road) actually stops just short of Camden Road. Section B (Camden Road—US 401) includes the Camden Road interchange and extends up to the current stub at US 401. Apparently the original intention was to build sections A and B at roughly the same time, but because section B was delayed, delayed, and most recently delayed some more, section A will be finished before B even starts construction. Because of this, section A will effectively end at Black Bridge Road, the second interchange after I-95 and the last before Camden Road. The signage plans seem to have been designed on the assumption that section B is already open, so I'm not sure if the signs pointing north from Black Bridge Road will be installed and covered up, or if they'll adjust plans to properly indicate the temporary end of the road there (including temporary striping and the "ALL TRAFFIC EXIT" sign banners)

Second, section A will unsurprisingly only be signed as NC 295 since it's discontinuous from the rest of the Interstate. Interestingly, the plans for section CA (US 401—Cliffdale Road, which I also obtained) also indicate NC 295 signage, but that segment opened fully signed as I-295.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: LM117 on July 14, 2021, 12:51:25 PM
NCDOT has awarded a contract to replace all NC-295 signs with I-295 shields. Work can begin in August and is expected to be complete by next spring.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2021/2021-14-07-fayettevile-signage-updated.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2021/2021-14-07-fayettevile-signage-updated.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: triplemultiplex on July 14, 2021, 05:20:11 PM
^^
'Bout time!
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: plain on July 14, 2021, 06:12:01 PM
I just thought of something. When NC's I-295 is finally signed and everything's official, almost all of the states with I-95 children will include an I-295. CT will be the only exception.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: energy49 on July 14, 2021, 09:01:37 PM
Quote from: plain on July 14, 2021, 06:12:01 PM
I just thought of something. When NC's I-295 is finally signed and everything's official, almost all of the states with I-95 children will include an I-295. CT will be the only exception.

You can add Georgia and South Carolina to your list with Connecticut..
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: akotchi on July 14, 2021, 09:05:39 PM
New Hampshire, too.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: vdeane on July 14, 2021, 09:37:09 PM
Georgia, South Carolina, and New Hampshire do not have I-x95 routes.  CT has I-395.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Roadsguy on July 15, 2021, 02:25:18 PM
I-295 was already the most common 3di number, so that makes sense.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: The Ghostbuster on July 16, 2021, 04:03:28 PM
I would have thought that North Carolina would have held out resigning NC 295 as Interstate 295 until the whole route was completed. Personally, I think it should have been signed as Interstate 295 from the get-go.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on July 16, 2021, 04:05:57 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 16, 2021, 04:03:28 PM
I would have thought that North Carolina would have held out resigning NC 295 as Interstate 295 until the whole route was completed. Personally, I think it should have been signed as Interstate 295 from the get-go.
They didn't sign I-540 NC-540, so why I-295?
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: fillup420 on July 17, 2021, 07:30:26 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 16, 2021, 04:05:57 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 16, 2021, 04:03:28 PM
I would have thought that North Carolina would have held out resigning NC 295 as Interstate 295 until the whole route was completed. Personally, I think it should have been signed as Interstate 295 from the get-go.
They didn't sign I-540 NC-540, so why I-295?
different scenarios. the southern half of 540 is a toll road, and apparently can't be signed as an interstate because of that
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: froggie on July 17, 2021, 09:22:41 AM
^ Strawman argument.  Federal law does allow new toll roads (which 540 basically is) to be signed as Interstates.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on July 17, 2021, 12:01:42 PM
Quote from: froggie on July 17, 2021, 09:22:41 AM
^ Strawman argument.  Federal law does allow new toll roads (which 540 basically is) to be signed as Interstates.
So, NCDOT can sign NC-540 I-540 if they wanted to?
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: The Ghostbuster on July 17, 2021, 12:20:40 PM
Probably. And they should have. Screw the federal law that says they can't on toll roads; it is way past time for that law to be changed.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Dirt Roads on July 17, 2021, 12:31:04 PM
Everyone is getting confused here.  The primary difference between Fayetteville I-295 (signed as NC-295) and Northern Raleigh I-540 (which was never signed as NC-540) is the difference between even 3DIs and odd 3dis.  For the odd 3DI, there was never a need to be concerned that Northern Raleigh I-540 might never reconnect to I-40 (but AASHTO was concerned enough to discourage the use of an even 3DI).  For I-295, there was also a real concern that the freeway would never connect back to I-95.

One of the unspeakable issues here is that highways can be constructed at a much lower cost by: (A) avoiding Interstate standards; and/or (B) avoiding the use of Federal funds.  The corollary here is when Federal funds dry up, NCDOT is now big enough that they can complete a highway project by simplifying the design yet still meeting a high level of design capacity (think building a Superstreet instead of a freeway).
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on July 17, 2021, 01:20:27 PM
...and renumbering the highway to I-640...
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on July 17, 2021, 01:54:46 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 17, 2021, 01:20:27 PM
...and renumbering the highway to I-640...
No.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Mapmikey on July 17, 2021, 02:12:01 PM
NCDOT applied for I-195 as the designation for the entire Fayetteville loop in May 2003, which was rejected by AASHO for reasons unrelated to the number, namely that the road was not approved by FWHA as an interstate at all.  See page 1 here (https://web.archive.org/web/20061013050422/http://cms.transportation.org/sites/route/docs/2003-USRN_Cmte.pdf).

In November 2003, NCDOT was on board with I-295 as the full loop was apparently decided upon - https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/2003_11_20.pdf.  Also remember that they posted it as FUTURE I-295 first, then was told they needed to post as NC 295 pending improvements and/or approvals.


As for NC 540, NCDOT posted I-540 signs (see here (http://www.vahighways.com/ncannex/route-log/ih540.html) for Adam Prince picture of this) on the segment from I-40 nw of Raleigh south and southeast to NC 55 as it was approved as Future I-540 in 1996 (see page 7 here (https://web.archive.org/web/20060829030802/http://cms.transportation.org/sites/route/docs/1996-USRN_Cmte.pdf)) then was lobbied by the Turnpike Authority to change it to NC 540 (http://www.gribblenation.org/2007/07/i-540-getting-new-name.html)

As I understand it, a toll road can be posted as an interstate if no federal funds were used on any part of its design/construction (or the state reimburses such funds already used).
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: fillup420 on July 17, 2021, 03:29:49 PM
Quote from: froggie on July 17, 2021, 09:22:41 AM
^ Strawman argument.  Federal law does allow new toll roads (which 540 basically is) to be signed as Interstates.

Well it actually has to do with the funding. Since NC 540 was not publicly funded, no interstate status
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: LM117 on July 17, 2021, 08:25:39 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on July 17, 2021, 02:12:01 PM
NCDOT applied for I-195 as the designation for the entire Fayetteville loop in May 2003, which was rejected by AASHO for reasons unrelated to the number, namely that the road was not approved by FWHA as an interstate at all.  See page 1 here (https://web.archive.org/web/20061013050422/http://cms.transportation.org/sites/route/docs/2003-USRN_Cmte.pdf).

I remember back in 2007 when FHWA & AASHTO played a game of "hot potato" with I-795. AASHTO initially rejected it because it wasn't approved by FHWA, and then FHWA refused to add I-795 to the system until AASHTO approved it. Go figure.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on July 29, 2021, 11:21:36 PM
NCDOT has announced road closures due to the next stage of construction of the future I-295 segment in Robeson County between I-95 and Camden Road:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2021/2021-07-29-fayetteville-outer-loop-construction.aspx

Meanwhile, I have posted on my I-295/Fayetteville Outer Loop page examples of some of the newly released plans for re-signing the northern section between I-95 and the All American Freeway from NC 295 to I-295: https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html#signplans (https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html#signplans)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: froggie on July 31, 2021, 10:37:44 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 17, 2021, 12:01:42 PM
Quote from: froggie on July 17, 2021, 09:22:41 AM
^ Strawman argument.  Federal law does allow new toll roads (which 540 basically is) to be signed as Interstates.
So, NCDOT can sign NC-540 I-540 if they wanted to?

As long as the roadway meets Interstate standards and FHWA deems it a logical addition to the Interstate system (which it most likely would upon full completion), yes they could.  Despite what fillup420 posted, there are scenarios under which toll roads can be added to the Interstate system despite the "lack of public funding".  The I-185 SC extension south(east) of I-85 to I-385 is one example.  And in an Oklahoma thread, there are indications that FHWA has either signed off on or is about to regarding extending I-240 OK to include two OKC toll roads (one of which was just opened recently).
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: architect77 on August 18, 2021, 04:11:38 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on July 17, 2021, 12:31:04 PM
Everyone is getting confused here.  The primary difference between Fayetteville I-295 (signed as NC-295) and Northern Raleigh I-540 (which was never signed as NC-540) is the difference between even 3DIs and odd 3dis.  For the odd 3DI, there was never a need to be concerned that Northern Raleigh I-540 might never reconnect to I-40 (but AASHTO was concerned enough to discourage the use of an even 3DI).  For I-295, there was also a real concern that the freeway would never connect back to I-95.

One of the unspeakable issues here is that highways can be constructed at a much lower cost by: (A) avoiding Interstate standards; and/or (B) avoiding the use of Federal funds.  The corollary here is when Federal funds dry up, NCDOT is now big enough that they can complete a highway project by simplifying the design yet still meeting a high level of design capacity (think building a Superstreet instead of a freeway).

I still believe the completed loop will get a single designated name, for clear understanding by the public that it is but one entity, a full loop.

NC has previously gotten permission to toll I-95 so it's a stupid rule that will be overidden in my opinion. I also believe it will get an even number designation likely I-640.

I don't agree or like your stance of not meeting interstate standards. I thought the only purpose of sending tax revenue to Washington only to get it dispersed back was to ensure uniformity across all states that keeps drivers safer from not being surprised with new conditions that they aren't familiar with and must adjust to.

As long as NC gets back a tad more than they sent to D.C. it's a good thing for other states' dollars being spent locally.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Strider on August 18, 2021, 04:50:48 PM
Quote from: architect77 on August 18, 2021, 04:11:38 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on July 17, 2021, 12:31:04 PM
Everyone is getting confused here.  The primary difference between Fayetteville I-295 (signed as NC-295) and Northern Raleigh I-540 (which was never signed as NC-540) is the difference between even 3DIs and odd 3dis.  For the odd 3DI, there was never a need to be concerned that Northern Raleigh I-540 might never reconnect to I-40 (but AASHTO was concerned enough to discourage the use of an even 3DI).  For I-295, there was also a real concern that the freeway would never connect back to I-95.

One of the unspeakable issues here is that highways can be constructed at a much lower cost by: (A) avoiding Interstate standards; and/or (B) avoiding the use of Federal funds.  The corollary here is when Federal funds dry up, NCDOT is now big enough that they can complete a highway project by simplifying the design yet still meeting a high level of design capacity (think building a Superstreet instead of a freeway).

I still believe the completed loop will get a single designated name, for clear understanding by the public that it is but one entity, a full loop.

NC has previously gotten permission to toll I-95 so it's a stupid rule that will be overidden in my opinion. I also believe it will get an even number designation likely I-640.

I don't agree or like your stance of not meeting interstate standards. I thought the only purpose of sending tax revenue to Washington only to get it dispersed back was to ensure uniformity across all states that keeps drivers safer from not being surprised with new conditions that they aren't familiar with and must adjust to.

As long as NC gets back a tad more than they sent to D.C. it's a good thing for other states' dollars being spent locally.


I-640 is NOT going to happen. The road will remain I-540 and Toll NC 540 even after the loop is fully finished.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on August 18, 2021, 05:25:31 PM
^ Yup. No one else besides roadgeeks care about 540 vs. 640. Changing it is just going to cause more confusion in regards to a route that's been established for decades.

The most I think may happen one day is changing NC-540 to I-540. But the number itself will never change.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Dirt Roads on August 18, 2021, 05:32:28 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on July 17, 2021, 12:31:04 PM
One of the unspeakable issues here is that highways can be constructed at a much lower cost by: (A) avoiding Interstate standards; and/or (B) avoiding the use of Federal funds.  The corollary here is when Federal funds dry up, NCDOT is now big enough that they can complete a highway project by simplifying the design yet still meeting a high level of design capacity (think building a Superstreet instead of a freeway).

Quote from: architect77 on August 18, 2021, 04:11:38 PM
I don't agree or like your stance of not meeting interstate standards. I thought the only purpose of sending tax revenue to Washington only to get it dispersed back was to ensure uniformity across all states that keeps drivers safer from not being surprised with new conditions that they aren't familiar with and must adjust to.

As long as NC gets back a tad more than they sent to D.C. it's a good thing for other states' dollars being spent locally.

Sorry, didn't mean to imply that I was a fan of reducing costs in this manner.  I recall that this comment was part of a multi-thread discussion about whether certain roads get constructed to Interstate standards or not.

With respect to this thread, I'm pretty sure that NCDOT wants the entirety of the Fayetteville Outer Loop to be constructed to Interstate standards and get designated as I-295.  But many of the freeways in North Carolina have been constructed to lesser standards to reduce costs and right-of-way impact.  Most,  including the recent addition of the US-17 Pollocksville Bypass, have never been envisioned as part of Interstate system, but one notable example is the US-1 corridor through the Sandhills, which has been requested as an addition to the Interstate system on at least one occasion.  Similarly, NCDOT is in no hurry to upgrade the substandard sections of US-52 as part of the I-74 corridor since the posted 65 mph makes the route acceptable.

I don't know if any projects in North Carolina have ever been constructed without Federal funding, but the FHWA remains concerned about states and localities significantly reducing costs by constructing certain projects without tapping the Federal Highway Trust Fund.  I don't if it is actually true (and I ought to because I was a cost estimator on a bunch of major projects), but the rule of thumb was that the cost of highway projects doubled under Federal regulations, whereas transit projects were more than tripled.  Not that long ago, the concern was so great that back in 2013-2014 the GAO reviewed whether highway projects were avoiding a formal environmental review process.  They found that states had adopted environmental standards similar to FHWA regulations, and made no recommendations.  I have worked on several projects involving historic-eligible structures and the topic of avoiding Federal funding always comes up.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on August 18, 2021, 05:41:33 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on August 18, 2021, 05:32:28 PM
Most,  including the recent addition of the US-17 Pollocksville Bypass, have never been envisioned as part of Interstate system
One thing notable North Carolina does a lot is the lack of fully paved shoulders on freeway projects, a move I disagree with IMO. It removes a safety feature, especially on high speed routes. Yes, there's technically a graded shoulder you can stop on, but I wouldn't trust it as much as a full breakdown lane.

Was the Pollocksville Bypass built to lesser standards, however? That particular project was a fully fledged out interstate-grade freeway with full paved shoulders and a 70 mph design / posted speed. Perhaps underneath features not visible to the motorists eye?

Unless you're referring to the mere widening of US-17 between the Pollocksville and Maysville bypasses that was built as a four lane divided highway with partial access control as opposed to a full fledged freeway flanked with frontage roads and a couple of overpasses / ramps.

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but one notable example is the US-1 corridor through the Sandhills, which has been requested as an addition to the Interstate system on at least one occasion.
A route that is mostly at least freeway grade, though has a couple intersections.

One thing that bothers me about North Carolina (not NCDOT's fault) is discrimination of speed limits based on route types. NCDOT from a sole design standpoint may chose to build a route in this manner (at-grade vs. grade separated) due to lower volumes and less need, however, doing such requires a speed limit to be maxed out at 60 mph as opposed to 70 mph, which then in turn often gets little compliance (everybody still drives 70-75 mph because the roadway can easily handle it, despite an artificially low limit).

They should, IMO, be able to post a 70 mph speed limit on a modern, 4 lane divided highway, regardless of access control, if the roadway is designed to handle it. Specific examples that come to mind are the limited access, but with at grade, portions of US-17, US-74, US-1, and other highways. Even some non-limited-access should at least be allowable at 65 mph.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Dirt Roads on August 18, 2021, 07:12:14 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 18, 2021, 05:41:33 PM
Was the Pollocksville Bypass built to lesser standards, however? That particular project was a fully fledged out interstate-grade freeway with full paved shoulders and a 70 mph design / posted speed. Perhaps underneath features not visible to the motorists eye?

I'm not an expert on Interstate standards.  But the US-70 freeway between LaGrange and New Bern has much wider lanes and shoulders and still wasn't compliant until the recent minor improvement project.  The US-17 Pollocksville Bypass reminds me of some of the narrow freeway corridors built in the 1960s, with tight radius off-ramps and the like.  It's a great improvement, so there no room to complain.  At least the bridges were built with wider shoulders to permit the increase to 70MPH.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Strider on August 18, 2021, 08:10:33 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on August 18, 2021, 07:12:14 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 18, 2021, 05:41:33 PM
Was the Pollocksville Bypass built to lesser standards, however? That particular project was a fully fledged out interstate-grade freeway with full paved shoulders and a 70 mph design / posted speed. Perhaps underneath features not visible to the motorists eye?

I'm not an expert on Interstate standards.  But the US-70 freeway between LaGrange and New Bern has much wider lanes and shoulders and still wasn't compliant until the recent minor improvement project.  The US-17 Pollocksville Bypass reminds me of some of the narrow freeway corridors built in the 1960s, with tight radius off-ramps and the like.  It's a great improvement, so there no room to complain.  At least the bridges were built with wider shoulders to permit the increase to 70MPH.

The difference between those two?

US 70 is on the way to become Interstate 42, hence why it has much wider lanes and shoulders.

US 17 isn't going to become an interstate. (at least for time being, perhaps?). NCDOT was simply saving money by upgrading US 17 to freeway standards (I think their budget shortcomings may have something to do with it). I will bet that when time comes, they probably will go back and do the upgrade again if they plan on extending the US 17 freeway south past Pollocksville.

Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on October 07, 2021, 05:32:09 AM
Quote from: Strider on August 18, 2021, 08:10:33 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on August 18, 2021, 07:12:14 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 18, 2021, 05:41:33 PM
Was the Pollocksville Bypass built to lesser standards, however? That particular project was a fully fledged out interstate-grade freeway with full paved shoulders and a 70 mph design / posted speed. Perhaps underneath features not visible to the motorists eye?

I'm not an expert on Interstate standards.  But the US-70 freeway between LaGrange and New Bern has much wider lanes and shoulders and still wasn't compliant until the recent minor improvement project.  The US-17 Pollocksville Bypass reminds me of some of the narrow freeway corridors built in the 1960s, with tight radius off-ramps and the like.  It's a great improvement, so there no room to complain.  At least the bridges were built with wider shoulders to permit the increase to 70MPH.

The difference between those two?

I think he's saying that the median width is 46 feet as apposed to 60, 70, and 96 feet (the freeway from Dover to New Bern is 96 feet btw), on other locations. Take a look at it this way - the freeway from Greenville to Farmville was built with a 46 foot median as well as the Northwest (and Southwest) bypass. Do they look like the highways you see in the 1960s? In my opinion, it looks okay, although not very wide, but it's still a improvement compared to a two-lane highway.


Now talking about I-295, When can the section from I-95 to Parkton Rd open? The bridges and asphalt are up and it looks like that segment can open anytime soon.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on October 07, 2021, 11:58:17 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on October 07, 2021, 05:32:09 AM
Quote from: Strider on August 18, 2021, 08:10:33 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on August 18, 2021, 07:12:14 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 18, 2021, 05:41:33 PM
Was the Pollocksville Bypass built to lesser standards, however? That particular project was a fully fledged out interstate-grade freeway with full paved shoulders and a 70 mph design / posted speed. Perhaps underneath features not visible to the motorists eye?

I'm not an expert on Interstate standards.  But the US-70 freeway between LaGrange and New Bern has much wider lanes and shoulders and still wasn't compliant until the recent minor improvement project.  The US-17 Pollocksville Bypass reminds me of some of the narrow freeway corridors built in the 1960s, with tight radius off-ramps and the like.  It's a great improvement, so there no room to complain.  At least the bridges were built with wider shoulders to permit the increase to 70MPH.

The difference between those two?

I think he's saying that the median width is 46 feet as apposed to 60, 70, and 96 feet (the freeway from Dover to New Bern is 96 feet btw), on other locations. Take a look at it this way - the freeway from Greenville to Farmville was built with a 46 foot median as well as the Northwest (and Southwest) bypass. Do they look like the highways you see in the 1960s? In my opinion, it looks okay, although not very wide, but it's still a improvement compared to a two-lane highway.

Now talking about I-295, When can the section from I-95 to Parkton Rd open? The bridges and asphalt are up and it looks like that segment can open anytime soon.
Don't know if they plan to open it until the whole route to Camden Road is complete. The entire project was about 74% complete at the end of August and the current completion date has been pushed back to mid-July 2022.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: architect77 on October 08, 2021, 07:29:59 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on August 18, 2021, 05:32:28 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on July 17, 2021, 12:31:04 PM
One of the unspeakable issues here is that highways can be constructed at a much lower cost by: (A) avoiding Interstate standards; and/or (B) avoiding the use of Federal funds.  The corollary here is when Federal funds dry up, NCDOT is now big enough that they can complete a highway project by simplifying the design yet still meeting a high level of design capacity (think building a Superstreet instead of a freeway).

Quote from: architect77 on August 18, 2021, 04:11:38 PM
I don't agree or like your stance of not meeting interstate standards. I thought the only purpose of sending tax revenue to Washington only to get it dispersed back was to ensure uniformity across all states that keeps drivers safer from not being surprised with new conditions that they aren't familiar with and must adjust to.

As long as NC gets back a tad more than they sent to D.C. it's a good thing for other states' dollars being spent locally.

Sorry, didn't mean to imply that I was a fan of reducing costs in this manner.  I recall that this comment was part of a multi-thread discussion about whether certain roads get constructed to Interstate standards or not.

With respect to this thread, I'm pretty sure that NCDOT wants the entirety of the Fayetteville Outer Loop to be constructed to Interstate standards and get designated as I-295.  But many of the freeways in North Carolina have been constructed to lesser standards to reduce costs and right-of-way impact.  Most,  including the recent addition of the US-17 Pollocksville Bypass, have never been envisioned as part of Interstate system, but one notable example is the US-1 corridor through the Sandhills, which has been requested as an addition to the Interstate system on at least one occasion.  Similarly, NCDOT is in no hurry to upgrade the substandard sections of US-52 as part of the I-74 corridor since the posted 65 mph makes the route acceptable.

I don't know if any projects in North Carolina have ever been constructed without Federal funding, but the FHWA remains concerned about states and localities significantly reducing costs by constructing certain projects without tapping the Federal Highway Trust Fund.  I don't if it is actually true (and I ought to because I was a cost estimator on a bunch of major projects), but the rule of thumb was that the cost of highway projects doubled under Federal regulations, whereas transit projects were more than tripled.  Not that long ago, the concern was so great that back in 2013-2014 the GAO reviewed whether highway projects were avoiding a formal environmental review process.  They found that states had adopted environmental standards similar to FHWA regulations, and made no recommendations.  I have worked on several projects involving historic-eligible structures and the topic of avoiding Federal funding always comes up.

What's interesting is whether the federal gov't. ever notices the glaring difference between a state like NC which is a prolific road builder with more and more new interstates being added, versus a state like Georgia that hasn't built any new interstates at all over the last 50 years.

NC has to be getting much more federal funds with all the new highways, though I know that part of the formula allocates each state money based on population or miles of interstates, etc.

I would think that someone would look at it as unfair when a few states are applying for and getting the majority of available funding.

OK I-640 may not be the name, but I guarantee the completed outerloop in Wake will get one designation to convey it's what it's intended to be: one  loop like Charlotte's I-485.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on October 09, 2021, 01:21:36 AM
^ Whatever it is, interstate or state route combo, it will be 540. It's not going to change to 640.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Dirt Roads on October 09, 2021, 12:07:45 PM
Quote from: architect77 on October 08, 2021, 07:29:59 PM
OK I-640 may not be the name, but I guarantee the completed outerloop in Wake will get one designation to convey it's what it's intended to be: one  loop like Charlotte's I-485.

Folks around here originally called it the "Outer Beltline".  Now that it actually ended up with its own style of "belt buckle", I suspect that it's going to get that same moniker.  But the toll road portion will still get called the "Triangle Expressway".
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: wdcrft63 on October 09, 2021, 06:22:59 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on October 09, 2021, 12:07:45 PM
Quote from: architect77 on October 08, 2021, 07:29:59 PM
OK I-640 may not be the name, but I guarantee the completed outerloop in Wake will get one designation to convey it's what it's intended to be: one  loop like Charlotte's I-485.

Folks around here originally called it the "Outer Beltline".  Now that it actually ended up with its own style of "belt buckle", I suspect that it's going to get that same moniker.  But the toll road portion will still get called the "Triangle Expressway".
It will all be 540 and the exit numbers will be consistent around the circle. Most drivers couldn't care less what shape the shields have as long as they all say 540.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: architect77 on October 15, 2021, 05:59:52 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on October 09, 2021, 06:22:59 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on October 09, 2021, 12:07:45 PM
Quote from: architect77 on October 08, 2021, 07:29:59 PM
OK I-640 may not be the name, but I guarantee the completed outerloop in Wake will get one designation to convey it's what it's intended to be: one  loop like Charlotte's I-485.

Folks around here originally called it the "Outer Beltline".  Now that it actually ended up with its own style of "belt buckle", I suspect that it's going to get that same moniker.  But the toll road portion will still get called the "Triangle Expressway".
It will all be 540 and the exit numbers will be consistent around the circle. Most drivers couldn't care less what shape the shields have as long as they all say 540.

I totally disagree. The red, white and blue American interstate shield is unbelievably important to people in catching their attention and knowing what all is associated with that symbol.

But I will admit many people are reliant on GPS telling them how to navigate, and I'll bet many would be challenged to follow a federal or state route using only the signs.

I'm not sure out of towners would associate NC540 and I-540 as being the same highway.

As to someone mentioning a belt buckle whatever that means, it's interesting that the beltline isn't a true loop because its using I-40 to close the gap.

Charlotte folks used to complain that Raleigh was getting its 2nd loop before their first one was even finished. I responded by reminding them that I-485 is longer and has more lane miles than what's completed so far of both Raleigh's loops.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: jdunlop on October 15, 2021, 06:10:02 PM
Quote from: architect77 on October 15, 2021, 05:59:52 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on October 09, 2021, 06:22:59 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on October 09, 2021, 12:07:45 PM
Quote from: architect77 on October 08, 2021, 07:29:59 PM
OK I-640 may not be the name, but I guarantee the completed outerloop in Wake will get one designation to convey it's what it's intended to be: one  loop like Charlotte's I-485.

Folks around here originally called it the "Outer Beltline".  Now that it actually ended up with its own style of "belt buckle", I suspect that it's going to get that same moniker.  But the toll road portion will still get called the "Triangle Expressway".
It will all be 540 and the exit numbers will be consistent around the circle. Most drivers couldn't care less what shape the shields have as long as they all say 540.

I totally disagree. The red, white and blue American interstate shield is unbelievably important to people in catching their attention and knowing what all is associated with that symbol.

But I will admit many people are reliant on GPS telling them how to navigate, and I'll bet many would be challenged to follow a federal or state route using only the signs.

I'm not sure out of towners would associate NC540 and I-540 as being the same highway.

As to someone mentioning a belt buckle whatever that means, it's interesting that the beltline isn't a true loop because its using I-40 to close the gap.

Charlotte folks used to complain that Raleigh was getting its 2nd loop before their first one was even finished. I responded by reminding them that I-485 is longer and has more lane miles than what's completed so far of both Raleigh's loops.

Ultimately, there's no overlap with I-40.  After this current section(s) are built to bring it from NC 55 to I-40/I-42 (US 70), there's more sections that'll take it from that interchange to I_87 (US 64) and I-540 near Knightdale.

And Charlotte got its first loop first.  I-277.

Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on October 16, 2021, 12:17:53 AM
Quote from: jdunlop on October 15, 2021, 06:10:02 PM
Quote from: architect77 on October 15, 2021, 05:59:52 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on October 09, 2021, 06:22:59 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on October 09, 2021, 12:07:45 PM
Quote from: architect77 on October 08, 2021, 07:29:59 PM
OK I-640 may not be the name, but I guarantee the completed outerloop in Wake will get one designation to convey it's what it's intended to be: one  loop like Charlotte's I-485.

Folks around here originally called it the "Outer Beltline".  Now that it actually ended up with its own style of "belt buckle", I suspect that it's going to get that same moniker.  But the toll road portion will still get called the "Triangle Expressway".
It will all be 540 and the exit numbers will be consistent around the circle. Most drivers couldn't care less what shape the shields have as long as they all say 540.

I totally disagree. The red, white and blue American interstate shield is unbelievably important to people in catching their attention and knowing what all is associated with that symbol.

But I will admit many people are reliant on GPS telling them how to navigate, and I'll bet many would be challenged to follow a federal or state route using only the signs.

I'm not sure out of towners would associate NC540 and I-540 as being the same highway.

As to someone mentioning a belt buckle whatever that means, it's interesting that the beltline isn't a true loop because its using I-40 to close the gap.

Charlotte folks used to complain that Raleigh was getting its 2nd loop before their first one was even finished. I responded by reminding them that I-485 is longer and has more lane miles than what's completed so far of both Raleigh's loops.
And Charlotte got its first loop first.  I-277.
Which is smaller and it's just a loop that goes around downtown. Tbh, I don't really like it, it makes downtown feel so cluttered..
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Strider on October 16, 2021, 02:29:51 AM
Quote from: architect77 on October 15, 2021, 05:59:52 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on October 09, 2021, 06:22:59 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on October 09, 2021, 12:07:45 PM
Quote from: architect77 on October 08, 2021, 07:29:59 PM
OK I-640 may not be the name, but I guarantee the completed outerloop in Wake will get one designation to convey it's what it's intended to be: one  loop like Charlotte's I-485.

Folks around here originally called it the "Outer Beltline".  Now that it actually ended up with its own style of "belt buckle", I suspect that it's going to get that same moniker.  But the toll road portion will still get called the "Triangle Expressway".
It will all be 540 and the exit numbers will be consistent around the circle. Most drivers couldn't care less what shape the shields have as long as they all say 540.

I totally disagree. The red, white and blue American interstate shield is unbelievably important to people in catching their attention and knowing what all is associated with that symbol.

But I will admit many people are reliant on GPS telling them how to navigate, and I'll bet many would be challenged to follow a federal or state route using only the signs.

I'm not sure out of towners would associate NC540 and I-540 as being the same highway.

As to someone mentioning a belt buckle whatever that means, it's interesting that the beltline isn't a true loop because its using I-40 to close the gap.

Charlotte folks used to complain that Raleigh was getting its 2nd loop before their first one was even finished. I responded by reminding them that I-485 is longer and has more lane miles than what's completed so far of both Raleigh's loops.


Oh yeah, the out of towners will associate NC 540 and I-540 being the same highway. They can look at the overhead signages. It's right here and large enough so no excuses for not paying attention.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Dirt Roads on October 16, 2021, 11:53:35 AM
Quote from: architect77 on October 15, 2021, 05:59:52 PM
Charlotte folks used to complain that Raleigh was getting its 2nd loop before their first one was even finished. I responded by reminding them that I-485 is longer and has more lane miles than what's completed so far of both Raleigh's loops.

I remember that sentiment.  I always figured that they forgot about I-277 being their first loop.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: architect77 on October 23, 2021, 12:35:35 AM
Quote from: Strider on October 16, 2021, 02:29:51 AM
Quote from: architect77 on October 15, 2021, 05:59:52 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on October 09, 2021, 06:22:59 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on October 09, 2021, 12:07:45 PM
Quote from: architect77 on October 08, 2021, 07:29:59 PM
OK I-640 may not be the name, but I guarantee the completed outerloop in Wake will get one designation to convey it's what it's intended to be: one  loop like Charlotte's I-485.

Folks around here originally called it the "Outer Beltline".  Now that it actually ended up with its own style of "belt buckle", I suspect that it's going to get that same moniker.  But the toll road portion will still get called the "Triangle Expressway".
It will all be 540 and the exit numbers will be consistent around the circle. Most drivers couldn't care less what shape the shields have as long as they all say 540.

I totally disagree. The red, white and blue American interstate shield is unbelievably important to people in catching their attention and knowing what all is associated with that symbol.

But I will admit many people are reliant on GPS telling them how to navigate, and I'll bet many would be challenged to follow a federal or state route using only the signs.

I'm not sure out of towners would associate NC540 and I-540 as being the same highway.

As to someone mentioning a belt buckle whatever that means, it's interesting that the beltline isn't a true loop because its using I-40 to close the gap.

Charlotte folks used to complain that Raleigh was getting its 2nd loop before their first one was even finished. I responded by reminding them that I-485 is longer and has more lane miles than what's completed so far of both Raleigh's loops.


Oh yeah, the out of towners will associate NC 540 and I-540 being the same highway. They can look at the overhead signages. It's right here and large enough so no excuses for not paying attention.

I'm going to respectfully disagree. NC is a state that has business, alternate,  and bypass versions of a single-numbered highway.

They are all completely separate highways, so how would anyone navigating the state with so many versions suddenly surmise that 540 breaks the convention and is a single entity despite using totally different shields?

Even natives from around the state are unlikely to break convention for this one loop.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Strider on October 23, 2021, 05:49:32 PM
Quote from: architect77 on October 23, 2021, 12:35:35 AM
Quote from: Strider on October 16, 2021, 02:29:51 AM
Quote from: architect77 on October 15, 2021, 05:59:52 PM
Quote from: wdcrft63 on October 09, 2021, 06:22:59 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on October 09, 2021, 12:07:45 PM
Quote from: architect77 on October 08, 2021, 07:29:59 PM
OK I-640 may not be the name, but I guarantee the completed outerloop in Wake will get one designation to convey it's what it's intended to be: one  loop like Charlotte's I-485.

Folks around here originally called it the "Outer Beltline".  Now that it actually ended up with its own style of "belt buckle", I suspect that it's going to get that same moniker.  But the toll road portion will still get called the "Triangle Expressway".
It will all be 540 and the exit numbers will be consistent around the circle. Most drivers couldn't care less what shape the shields have as long as they all say 540.

I totally disagree. The red, white and blue American interstate shield is unbelievably important to people in catching their attention and knowing what all is associated with that symbol.

But I will admit many people are reliant on GPS telling them how to navigate, and I'll bet many would be challenged to follow a federal or state route using only the signs.

I'm not sure out of towners would associate NC540 and I-540 as being the same highway.

As to someone mentioning a belt buckle whatever that means, it's interesting that the beltline isn't a true loop because its using I-40 to close the gap.

Charlotte folks used to complain that Raleigh was getting its 2nd loop before their first one was even finished. I responded by reminding them that I-485 is longer and has more lane miles than what's completed so far of both Raleigh's loops.


Oh yeah, the out of towners will associate NC 540 and I-540 being the same highway. They can look at the overhead signages. It's right here and large enough so no excuses for not paying attention.

I'm going to respectfully disagree. NC is a state that has business, alternate,  and bypass versions of a single-numbered highway.

They are all completely separate highways, so how would anyone navigating the state with so many versions suddenly surmise that 540 breaks the convention and is a single entity despite using totally different shields?

Even natives from around the state are unlikely to break convention for this one loop.

And keep in mind you're speaking for yourself. That doesn't mean everyone else would have issues.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on December 14, 2021, 01:28:54 PM
Google Street View has been posted on the rest of the I-295 beltway... Finally!

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0328307,-79.0369443,3a,48.7y,188.91h,89.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXwPGaiYMf47Dl6bkgj-OIw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on December 17, 2021, 10:43:41 PM
I have posted some of the images from the new Street View imagery, such as this one showing the construction of a new ramp for Future I-295 South from I-95 South, with the current ramp still having an NC 295 shield on its signage:
(https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295signgsv1021c.jpg)

The rest is on my Future I-295 page:
https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html#photos)

The page title will remain Future I-295 until the signs are updated. Based on a July 2021 NCDOT press release the contractor could have started in August but has until spring to update the signs, and apparently they are taking their time.

While I'm here, a construction update-the latest NCDOT Construction Progress Report listing for the contract building I-295 from I-95 in Robeson County to Camden Road showed a dramatic change in project cost and completion date. A prior report in September had the contract listed as 2/3 complete with a July 2023 opening date. The latest report though lists the project as only 41% complete with a new end date of December 2024. What happened? Has the last section to be built from US 401 to Camden Road been added to the project? Is there some needed change to the contract that added cost and time to completion of this segment? I can find nothing on the NCDOT site to explain the change.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: RoadPelican on December 18, 2021, 09:10:38 PM
I'm not surprised to read that the segment from 95 to Camden Road has been delayed.  Just two months ago, I drove around on some roads in the construction site and at time the NCDOT site had it slated for completion in July 2022!!!

What I saw during my tour shocked me!!!  There was absolutely ZERO sign of any construction (flags, markers, tree clearing, dirt piles) of an interchange or even a NEW road crossing on Camden Road (the loop is supposed to go somewhere between Farm Circle Rd & Possum Holler Rd).

Also, there has been no construction of an overpass at Lake Upchurch Road.

However, I did see construction of an overpass on Waldo's Beach Rd just south of Balaam Rd but it looked like a bridge to nowhere at least in the direction of Camden Road.

After this personal tour in October, I thought that it was very odd that a project that was supposed to get done less than a year from now has no construction at Camden Road or no overpass at Lake Upchurch Rd.  So the new date of December 2024 makes more sense, but I find it weird that the Fayetteville Observer newspaper or the NCDOT has not made any announcement on this project.

I bet it's probably related to the pandemic, they were ahead of schedule on the segments from All-American Freeway to Cliffdale to US 401, now there not.  Similar to what's going on with the Greensboro Loop, ahead of schedule on Battleground to Lawndale to Elm, now the rest is delayed until 2023, original completion date was late 2021/early 2022.

Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on December 18, 2021, 09:17:53 PM
Unless they are trying to wait until the part from US-401 to Camden Road gets done for a complete connection.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on December 29, 2021, 12:00:50 AM
Some good news to report. The letting of the contract for the final segment of I-295 has been advanced from October to June 2022, according to the latest NCDOT Tentative Letting List, January to December 2022. The list is available at:
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/12%20Month%20Tentative%20Letting%20Library/12%20MONTH%20LET%20LIST%20(JANUARY%202022%20-%20DECEMBER%202022)%20REV1.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/12%20Month%20Tentative%20Letting%20Library/12%20MONTH%20LET%20LIST%20(JANUARY%202022%20-%20DECEMBER%202022)%20REV1.pdf)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on January 10, 2022, 04:28:07 PM
This shows evidence that nothing is being done over here...

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.9321318,-78.9893346,3a,90y,191.25h,90.22t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1szheV9WsdN3XFDHQ6YblCcg!2e0!5s20211101T000000!7i16384!8i8192

And to add to that, has the new alignments of Old Plank Rd and Black bridge road opened yet?
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on March 06, 2022, 08:48:17 PM
Article from Friday about progress in building the Loop. A segment south of Raeford Road (US 401) to Century Circle is to be finished this summer. The entire project is to be completed in 2026. Despite the contractor having until February to complete changing all NC 295 signs to I-295, no mention of whether that has been completed, though the article refers to the Loop as I-295 throughout:
https://www.fayobserver.com/story/news/2022/03/04/ncdot-fayetteville-i-295-construction-raeford-road-summer-completion/9360783002/ (https://www.fayobserver.com/story/news/2022/03/04/ncdot-fayetteville-i-295-construction-raeford-road-summer-completion/9360783002/)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: tolbs17 on March 06, 2022, 11:24:05 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on March 06, 2022, 08:48:17 PM
A segment south of Raeford Road (US 401) to Century Circle is to be finished this summer.
I feel like it will be either signed as I-295 or not signed until the whole beltway is complete.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on April 22, 2022, 06:23:28 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 06, 2022, 11:24:05 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on March 06, 2022, 08:48:17 PM
A segment south of Raeford Road (US 401) to Century Circle is to be finished this summer.
I feel like it will be either signed as I-295 or not signed until the whole beltway is complete.
Two updates. The contractor charged with replacing the NC 295 shields with I-295 ones has apparently completed the work. Here's the current signage at the US 401 exit to the east/north of Fort Bragg, courtesy of Val Melvin:
(https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/i295signsvm422b.jpg)

NC 295 along the Loop is gone only temporarily. The southernmost section now under construction from I-95 to Camden Road will be signed as NC 295 when opened. The shields will be switched to interstate versions when the final segment between Camden Road and US 401/Raeford Road is completed. Speaking of that contract, it was advertised on Tuesday, April 19 for a June letting. Here is one of the sign plans, showing the initial and final iterations of the I-95 North APL sign for the Loop interchange:
(https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/i295signplani95napl622a.jpg)

More new photos and sign plans can be found on my Future I-295, NC Future Interstates page:
https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html (https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: The Ghostbuster on April 23, 2022, 02:26:06 PM
I would have preferred they sign the entire road as Interstate 295 from the get-go. Then again, I'm not in charge of the 295 project.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on April 23, 2022, 03:37:55 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on April 23, 2022, 02:26:06 PM
I would have preferred they sign the entire road as Interstate 295 from the get-go. Then again, I'm not in charge of the 295 project.
Not sure why this segment can't be immediately. It will connect to I-95 upon opening.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on May 13, 2022, 12:14:16 PM
Latest NCDOT press release about road closures and new routings as part of I-295/Fayetteville Outer Loop project:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2022/2022-05-13-fayetteville-outer-loop-updates.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2022/2022-05-13-fayetteville-outer-loop-updates.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on July 08, 2022, 12:54:13 PM
NCDOT has announced that the contract to build the final 5 mile segment of I-295, from Raeford Road to Camden Road, has been awarded. It is planned to be completed in the summer of 2026, 2 years after the segment from Camden Road to I-95:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2022/2022-07-08-final-leg-fayetteville-outer-loop.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2022/2022-07-08-final-leg-fayetteville-outer-loop.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on November 21, 2022, 02:01:15 PM
A short section of the Fayetteville Outer Loop between Parkton Road (Exit 2) and Black Bridge Road (Exit 4) is opening today. The rest of the section from Camden Road to I-95 is to be completed by the summer of 2024, the entire Loop in 2026:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2022/2022-11-21-i-295-segment-opens.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2022/2022-11-21-i-295-segment-opens.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: WashuOtaku on November 21, 2022, 04:14:23 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on November 21, 2022, 02:01:15 PM
A short section of the Fayetteville Outer Loop between Parkton Road (Exit 2) and Black Bridge Road (Exit 4) is opening today. The rest of the section from Camden Road to I-95 is to be completed by the summer of 2024, the entire Loop in 2026:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2022/2022-11-21-i-295-segment-opens.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2022/2022-11-21-i-295-segment-opens.aspx)

That will be great for the 10 cars that get lost daily and accidentally find this segment. I'm glad another section is open, but its utilization will be next to none until it connects with I-95 in a couple of years.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Henry on November 21, 2022, 07:52:37 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 23, 2022, 03:37:55 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on April 23, 2022, 02:26:06 PM
I would have preferred they sign the entire road as Interstate 295 from the get-go. Then again, I'm not in charge of the 295 project.
Not sure why this segment can't be immediately. It will connect to I-95 upon opening.
Agreed. However, I'm amazed at how they got away with signing the loop as I-295 with that substandard northern ending.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on November 21, 2022, 08:20:02 PM
This must constitute  some local badly needed connection for a school, hospital or military.  The most recent Google satellite  showed 295 more complete  from 95 to Parkton than Parkton to Black Bridge, might as well just open the whole part down to 95 and label it as: To Parkton Rd, To Black Bridge Rd.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on November 21, 2022, 11:49:45 PM
I've posted photos, such as this:
(https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/i295constlc1122leeper2.jpg)

of the newly opened section taken a couple weeks ago by site contributor LC at:
https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Alex on January 15, 2023, 03:46:34 PM
Ended up staying in Fayetteville on the way back south after Christmas. So took some time on the morning we left to check out the newest section of the Fayetteville Outer Loop opened to traffic.

Drove it both directions and only encountered one other car (with a Delaware tag no less). Posted the photos at https://www.aaroads.com/guides/i-295-nc/ and the corresponding north (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/i-295-north-nc/) and southbound (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/i-295-south-nc/) pages.

The route is signed as NC 295 with small guide signs at the entrance ramps bagged. Signs are already up for I-95 North - Benson for the south end:

(https://www.aaroads.com/nc/295/i-295-s-exit-001-1.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/nc/295/i-295-s-exit-001-1.jpg)

I question the selection of the street names used for both exits.
Looking at the Cumberland County, NC GIS viewer (https://cumberlandgis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=a6ea68995c2349e9a177366288589be7), they show Glenn Road extending east from the Robeson County line to a roundabout with a realignment of Black Bridge Road east of Exit 4. Black Bridge Road remains southwest from the roundabout to Calabash Drive.
The parcels along what is shown as Glenn Road show "0 ? DR" or "0 N/A DR" as the site address (I checked the Tax Property Summary on some of the parcels and it was the same), so GIS has not been updated yet to clarify whether it is Glenn Road or part of an extended Black Bridge Road.

Further south at Exit 2, Parkton Road is the name in Cumberland County, but its Leeper Road in Robeson County. NC 71 at the roundabout with Leeper Road only shows a trailblazer for NC 295 with no street blade:

(https://www.aaroads.com/nc/071/nc-071-s-at-leeper-rd-2.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/nc/071/nc-071-s-at-leeper-rd-2.jpg)

The exchange falls entirely within Robeson County. Was Leeper Road renamed as an extension of Parkton Road, or should the guide signs for Exit 2 display both Leeper and Parkton Roads?
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on February 19, 2023, 10:53:08 PM
Google Street View has updated its images along I-95 and I-295 in the Fayetteville area to as late as last month. Here's a recently placed 2 miles advance overhead for the I-295 exit along I-95 South:
(https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/i295signsgsv123a.jpg)

I've placed additional the Street View images on my I-295 Fayetteville Outer Loop site which captures some of the newish I-295 shields that were placed along the Loop last spring, though some NC 295 signs remain, at:
https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on February 22, 2023, 11:30:54 AM
Progress to report in constructing the last segment of the Loop from Camden Road to US 401:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-02-22-camden-road-lane-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-02-22-camden-road-lane-closures.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: rte66man on March 03, 2023, 09:47:08 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 22, 2023, 11:30:54 AM
Progress to report in constructing the last segment of the Loop from Camden Road to US 401:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-02-22-camden-road-lane-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-02-22-camden-road-lane-closures.aspx)

Completion by Summer 2026?? Why so long?
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Thing 342 on April 14, 2023, 09:52:21 PM
Google has dropped some new (March 2023) Street View imagery displaying progress on I-295:
No progress at Strickland Bridge Road.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: The Ghostbuster on April 14, 2023, 10:29:03 PM
Google Maps labels a portion of future Interstate 295 as Garrison Drive: https://www.google.com/maps/@34.9285335,-78.9843959,1329m/data=!3m1!1e3. Does anyone know why that is?
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: sprjus4 on April 14, 2023, 11:37:21 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on April 14, 2023, 10:29:03 PM
Google Maps labels a portion of future Interstate 295 as Garrison Drive: https://www.google.com/maps/@34.9285335,-78.9843959,1329m/data=!3m1!1e3. Does anyone know why that is?
Probably just an error ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: wdcrft63 on April 15, 2023, 09:12:12 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 14, 2023, 11:37:21 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on April 14, 2023, 10:29:03 PM
Google Maps labels a portion of future Interstate 295 as Garrison Drive: https://www.google.com/maps/@34.9285335,-78.9843959,1329m/data=!3m1!1e3. Does anyone know why that is?
Probably just an error ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I couldn't find any Garrison Drive anywhere in the Fayetteville-Parkton area and Bing Maps has no such street anywhere in the area. So this is not a label misplaced from a nearby street, it was dropped in from nowhere. A very strange mistake indeed.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on August 17, 2023, 12:14:27 PM
NCDOT announces road closure as part of constructing I-295 Camden Road interchange (which may open next summer):
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-08-17-camden-road-interchange-cumberland-county.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-08-17-camden-road-interchange-cumberland-county.aspx)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on October 10, 2023, 11:30:51 PM
Google Maps has updated its Street View coverage at both ends of I-295. At the north end in August, I was able to get screen grabs of new overhead signs along I-95:
(https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/i295signsgsv823d.jpg)

(The name change of Fort Bragg is not indicated on any of the signs.)

And on the southern end, construction of the future I-95/I-295 interchange from June:
(https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295constgsv623b.jpg)

Google Maps has since jumped the gun and shows this interchange as complete:
(https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295rampmapgm1023.jpg)

Additional Street View images at: https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: roadman65 on November 19, 2023, 12:39:17 PM
When are they going to open that last link?

It seems both NC and TN have slow contractor's when it comes to this and I-69 in NW Tennessee.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: The Ghostbuster on November 19, 2023, 08:47:21 PM
I believe Interstate 295 will be completed in 2026.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: roadman65 on November 19, 2023, 09:40:37 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on November 19, 2023, 08:47:21 PM
I believe Interstate 295 will be completed in 2026.

Considering construction began in 2020, that's a lot of time. Ditto for the Union City Bypass in TN. Both were started in 2020 and still awaiting completion.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: Mapmikey on November 20, 2023, 06:35:34 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 19, 2023, 09:40:37 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on November 19, 2023, 08:47:21 PM
I believe Interstate 295 will be completed in 2026.

Considering construction began in 2020, that's a lot of time. Ditto for the Union City Bypass in TN. Both were started in 2020 and still awaiting completion.

HistoricAerials shows Union City bypass under construction in 2010.  In 2010 only a 6 miles were open on I-295, compared to 24 today.  No comparison to be had here...
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: RoadPelican on November 21, 2023, 12:40:16 PM
I don't know about I-69, but I think COVID really slowed down the Fayetteville Loop Project. I remember reading that the whole thing was supposed to get done in 2024. Now they are saying just the portion from I-95 to Parkton Rd will be done next summer. Then the remaining section up to US 401 will be done in 2026.

Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: roadman65 on November 21, 2023, 12:53:36 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on November 20, 2023, 06:35:34 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 19, 2023, 09:40:37 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on November 19, 2023, 08:47:21 PM
I believe Interstate 295 will be completed in 2026.

Considering construction began in 2020, that's a lot of time. Ditto for the Union City Bypass in TN. Both were started in 2020 and still awaiting completion.

HistoricAerials shows Union City bypass under construction in 2010.  In 2010 only a 6 miles were open on I-295, compared to 24 today.  No comparison to be had here...

Not talking about the projects as a whole, but the remaining segment of I-295 verses the entire Union City Bypass as a whole. Both have moved at snail's pace on a timeline.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: The Ghostbuster on November 21, 2023, 02:36:16 PM
In June, Google Maps updated its Street View on future Interstate 295 between Leeper Rd. (Exit 2) and Glenn Rd. (Exit 4). The sideroads sign the new roadway as NC 295. Google Maps also hasn't eliminated the inaccurate Garrison Dr. name.
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: bob7374 on January 11, 2024, 11:03:15 PM
I've posted new photos taken by David Gallo at the US 401/Raeford Road exit with I-295, including one of the updated control city of Fort Liberty on the overhead signs:
(https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295constdg124f.jpg)

The rest of the photos are at: https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
Post by: PColumbus73 on January 12, 2024, 04:33:34 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 11, 2024, 11:03:15 PM
I've posted new photos taken by David Gallo at the US 401/Raeford Road exit with I-295, including one of the updated control city of Fort Liberty on the overhead signs:
(https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295constdg124f.jpg)

The rest of the photos are at: https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html#photos (https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html#photos)

Can confirm most references to Fort Bragg are gone. Coming back from Thanksgiving, I remember seeing one sign on the Murchinson Road Frwy still mentioning Fort Bragg, probably just forgotten about.