Has the flashing yellow left turn signal made it to your state?

[Fntp]

Penndot rejected it because they think that their residents are to stupid to understand it but thats pa for ya 

Do you have proof of PennDOT saying that?  Last I heard, they were still thinking about it.

Not that I know of but last time they mentioned it which was back in 2011, it was rejected and never really brought up.

[steviep24]

I spotted a 3 section FYA signal today on a new install with no green arrow. Just the two yellow arrows and red arrow. This is a NYSDOT installation in Rochester, NY. Is a permissive only FLA signal really needed?

[cl94]

I spotted a 3 section FYA signal today on a new install with no green arrow. Just the two yellow arrows and red arrow. This is a NYSDOT installation in Rochester, NY. Is a permissive only FLA signal really needed?

You talking about the one on NY 33 near Wegman Rd? Quite possible that NYSDOT just wants to emphasize the permissive nature of the turn.

[steviep24]

I spotted a 3 section FYA signal today on a new install with no green arrow. Just the two yellow arrows and red arrow. This is a NYSDOT installation in Rochester, NY. Is a permissive only FLA signal really needed?

You talking about the one on NY 33 near Wegman Rd? Quite possible that NYSDOT just wants to emphasize the permissive nature of the turn.

That's the one. NY 33 at Pixley Rd. When it was first activated a few weeks ago the FYA's there were 4 section but I noticed today they removed the green arrows from them.

[cl94]

I spotted a 3 section FYA signal today on a new install with no green arrow. Just the two yellow arrows and red arrow. This is a NYSDOT installation in Rochester, NY. Is a permissive only FLA signal really needed?

You talking about the one on NY 33 near Wegman Rd? Quite possible that NYSDOT just wants to emphasize the permissive nature of the turn.

That's the one. NY 33 at Pixley Rd. When it was first activated a few weeks ago the FYA's there were 4 section but I noticed today they removed the green arrows from them.

If it's the one I think it is, it is for a driveway. No reason to have a protected phase.

[Revive 755]

Is a permissive only FLA signal really needed?

In areas where FYA's are used for all protected-permitted turns, using a three-section FYA permissive only head makes it easier to tell from a distance that one can actually turn left at the intersection (especially if the left turn lane is rather short).  The three-section FYA head would also allow any opposing left turn to be run as a lagging left if necessary.

In most cases though, unless the turn is for a small driveway, I would lean towards using a four-section head anyway in case traffic changes to eventually need a protected phase for the left turn.  Easier to change a few setting in a controller than having to install new/rebuild existing signal heads.

[roadfro]

Nevada has had the FYA for a while.

I just discovered the other day that NDOT's 2015 standard plans update proposes removing references to 5-section left turn signal heads in favor of 4-section FYAs.

This makes sense, as municipalities have been slowly removing 5-section signal heads in favor of FYAs. Current Nevada signal standards provide for one overhead signal per lane, so there is no situation in new construction or renovation where a doghouse display would be necessary.

[US 41]

INDOT is now installing flashing yellow arrows on US 40 in Vigo County. I drove on it last night and they have installed them at Hunt St, the US 40/SR 46/Wabash Intersection, and at the Hulman St intersection so far. They are also supposed to install them at several intersections on US 41 as well according to the local newspaper.

[paulthemapguy]

Flashing yellows have, in fact made it to Illinois!  I was amazed when I saw this one in Mercer County :
https://goo.gl/maps/A7t3vyoNTvq

Since Mercer County is in IDOT D4-Peoria, maybe we might see more in District 4?

The Kane County DOT has been discussing them as well.
http://www.co.kane.il.us/dot/constProjects/randallHSIP.aspx

[route56]

Flashing yellows have, in fact made it to Illinois!  I was amazed when I saw this one in Mercer County :
https://goo.gl/maps/A7t3vyoNTvq

Since Mercer County is in IDOT D4-Peoria, maybe we might see more in District 4?

The Kane County DOT has been discussing them as well.
http://www.co.kane.il.us/dot/constProjects/randallHSIP.aspx

FYAs have been in use in IDOT D4 since at least late 2012.

[jeffandnicole]

Flashing yellows have, in fact made it to Illinois!  I was amazed when I saw this one in Mercer County :
https://goo.gl/maps/A7t3vyoNTvq

FYAs have been in use in IDOT D4 since at least late 2012.

You're 6 years behind noting Illinois' use of the FYA.  Within this thread, Troubleshooter noticed back in 2010 Illinois was already using the flashing yellow arrow...

I sincerely doubt IDOT (much less the municipalities) will change and start using the FYA.  They don't even use doghouse assemblies here (which I can see getting mixed up easier as the green ball and green arrow are next to each other).

Peoria already has FYA. And it has been written into the Illinois driving code.

[paulthemapguy]

^lel woops.  I saw the quoted-quote but not the quote you posted, so I thought it was still fair game.
Hopefully the Kane County bit is still a new development though.

[JoePCool14]

Flashing yellows have, in fact made it to Illinois!  I was amazed when I saw this one in Mercer County :
https://goo.gl/maps/A7t3vyoNTvq

Since Mercer County is in IDOT D4-Peoria, maybe we might see more in District 4?

The Kane County DOT has been discussing them as well.
http://www.co.kane.il.us/dot/constProjects/randallHSIP.aspx

Looking at the old one, I'm not sure why they felt the need to replace it with a FYA.

[jakeroot]

Flashing yellows have, in fact made it to Illinois!  I was amazed when I saw this one in Mercer County :
https://goo.gl/maps/A7t3vyoNTvq

Since Mercer County is in IDOT D4-Peoria, maybe we might see more in District 4?

The Kane County DOT has been discussing them as well.
http://www.co.kane.il.us/dot/constProjects/randallHSIP.aspx

Looking at the old one, I'm not sure why they felt the need to replace it with a FYA.

You can operate protected/permissive turns with lead/lag protocols if need-be, and they've also been proven to be safer (drivers sometimes mistake the solid green over a turn lane to mean protected turn).

Many cities across the country have been replacing 5-section signals with FYAs for these reasons, among others.

[Revive 755]

Flashing yellows have, in fact made it to Illinois!  I was amazed when I saw this one in Mercer County :
https://goo.gl/maps/A7t3vyoNTvq

Since Mercer County is in IDOT D4-Peoria, maybe we might see more in District 4?

The Kane County DOT has been discussing them as well.
http://www.co.kane.il.us/dot/constProjects/randallHSIP.aspx

Looking at the old one, I'm not sure why they felt the need to replace it with a FYA.

A FYA head can be used to run protected-only lefts for certain parts of the day while allowing permissive lefts at other times.  Given the volume on Randall, I wouldn't be surprised if Kane County does that some year.

EDIT: 
Kane County though has not made a complete switch for all new signals, as there are a couple newer signals (which plans were completed after the Randall Road project was let) still using five section heads.

Given one of the sets of plans on the March Letting for IDOT (link; see Page 11/72)), looks like District 6 (Springfield) will be using for more than just Wabash Avenue.

[cl94]

Looking at what as gone up and what will be going up, NYSDOT Regions 1 and 4 have been increasingly choosing FYAs for protected-permissive installs. I've seen a surprising amount driving around R1. R4 has a decent amount of three-section permissive-only ones. Region 5, on the other hand, has zero with no public plans to install any.

I also was in Massachusetts lately and saw at least one on/around US 7. Appears their plan to convert all state-owned doghouses to FYAs is underway.

[spooky]

Looking at what as gone up and what will be going up, NYSDOT Regions 1 and 4 have been increasingly choosing FYAs for protected-permissive installs. I've seen a surprising amount driving around R1. R4 has a decent amount of three-section permissive-only ones. Region 5, on the other hand, has zero with no public plans to install any.

I also was in Massachusetts lately and saw at least one on/around US 7. Appears their plan to convert all state-owned doghouses to FYAs is underway.

The one in Lenox on US 7 was a test case and was installed prior to development of the conversion plan. That being said, there are a number popping up in the eastern half of the state. Some are part of the conversion plan, others are projects where the design was developed and/or finalized after MassDOT started asking designers to include FYA (where appropriate).

[paulthemapguy]

Look what I just found in Indiana!  On US30 just west of Fort Wayne:

[jakeroot]

Look what I just found in Indiana!  On US30 just west of Fort Wayne:
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1695/25276180232_66b521bd62_k.jpg

Is it enabled? Or was this photo just taken between the protected and permissive phases?

[paulthemapguy]

Is it enabled? Or was this photo just taken between the protected and permissive phases?

I think the latter.  Or it might be a special case where only one side's left turns are permitted at a time, due to limited space in the intersection.  But I figured getting a pic with a solid arrow would be a surer shot than a pic of the flashing arrow  I did get visual confirmation of actual functional flashing yellow arrows though (i.e. they are enabled).

[mrsman]

Is it enabled? Or was this photo just taken between the protected and permissive phases?

I think the latter.  Or it might be a special case where only one side's left turns are permitted at a time, due to limited space in the intersection.  But I figured getting a pic with a solid arrow would be a surer shot than a pic of the flashing arrow  I did get visual confirmation of actual functional flashing yellow arrows though (i.e. they are enabled).

Without referencing the specific signal in Indiana, one of the nice things about FYA is the flexibility that the signaling allows.  One could set the signal to be protected only (GA, YA, RA sequence) during busy times of the day and then protected/permitted (GA, YA, FYA, YA, RA [lead] or FYA, GA, YA, RA [lag]) at other times and then permitted only (FYA, YA, RA without GA) at other times.  So conceivably, there could be red arrow and green ball at the same time.

[jakeroot]

Without referencing the specific signal in Indiana, one of the nice things about FYA is the flexibility that the signaling allows.  One could set the signal to be protected only (GA, YA, RA sequence) during busy times of the day and then protected/permitted (GA, YA, FYA, YA, RA [lead] or FYA, GA, YA, RA [lag]) at other times and then permitted only (FYA, YA, RA without GA) at other times.  So conceivably, there could be red arrow and green ball at the same time.

I've never fully understood why, during busy times, DOT's sometimes set pro/per signals to protected-only. Doesn't that inhibit the possible through-put of the left turn? If a light is flashing yellow, my instinct is to pull forward, go when clear, or, when the light goes to solid yellow, wait for oncoming traffic to stop, and then complete my turn. A red arrow would make this illegal (lest I was turning onto a one-way), thus increasing the number of cars waiting to turn left.

Federal Way, Washington has several of these TOD flashing yellows. 3/4 of the day, they operate with lagged protected turns (and they work exceptionally well), but there are several, which during the middle of the day, operate protected-only. Half the time, there's barely a handful of oncoming cars (example of an FYA that operates on a TOD schedule: https://goo.gl/kzRxK2). Even if no one gets through on the permissive phase, it doesn't hurt anything to have it flashing yellow.

[Great Lakes Roads]

Yesterday, when I was driving on CR-17 in Elkhart, I noticed that a couple intersections along this route upgraded the three-phased traffic heads to four-phased traffic head.

Before:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6685753,-85.8875864,3a,75y,348.74h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEBe5EkiUH6sFifFJa6D2OA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6651549,-85.8873626,3a,75y,175.73h,77.47t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sw6bzHKg96lvT3EyBJG0vZA!2e0!5s20130801T000000!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6596567,-85.8873873,3a,75y,180.07h,90.96t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sfGFhoPA8jHMpYR3fLk2ulg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DfGFhoPA8jHMpYR3fLk2ulg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D304.07138%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656

[Fntp]

As far as I'm concerned Pa and Wv are the only two states that don't use it

[jeffandnicole]

As far as I'm concerned Pa and Wv are the only two states that don't use it

We know.

The only states that don't use this are Pa and Wv

And you're still wrong.  New Jersey doesn't use it either.  I don't believe Delaware uses it as well.