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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #175 on: March 03, 2012, 05:04:45 PM »

What the hell kind of "news" sources do you always find?

The News & Observer, Raleigh, N.C.  More to the point, a blog belonging to said newspaper site called Under the Dome.

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In the same quotes, it says that Ellmers reportedly opposes tolls, but is directly quoted in writing as saying that paying through a highway tax could be devastating. Sounds to me like she SUPPORTS the tolls.

I interpret that to say that she does not want her constituents to pay any more in taxes or tolls to fund improvements to I-95.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #176 on: March 08, 2012, 04:47:54 PM »

Slightly off-topic:

How come the state hasn't looked at widening I-77 to eight lanes from the Belk Freeway to the state line to match S.C.'s eight-laner? Traffic's flowing that good?
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #177 on: March 15, 2012, 10:05:15 PM »

I say just build 2 toll booths at the VA line and the SC line. Charge $5 at each one and just use that money to start building. Another mid-state toll could be added 10 years down the road. Yankees travelling to and from Florida don't go out of their way to avoid tolls. They're used to them. And NC locals wouldn't have anything to b*tch about either.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #178 on: March 15, 2012, 10:48:54 PM »

Slightly off-topic:

How come the state hasn't looked at widening I-77 to eight lanes from the Belk Freeway to the state line to match S.C.'s eight-laner? Traffic's flowing that good?
Personally I think the widening from I-485 north of Charlotte to at least Mooresville should be a higher priority considering that it is still only 4 lanes with high traffic levels on the weekends.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #179 on: March 16, 2012, 12:36:45 PM »

I'd love to hear the reaction from the lakefront people in Cornelius on widening the bridge near Davidson
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #180 on: March 18, 2012, 03:59:54 PM »

I say just build 2 toll booths at the VA line and the SC line. Charge $5 at each one and just use that money to start building. Another mid-state toll could be added 10 years down the road. Yankees travelling to and from Florida don't go out of their way to avoid tolls. They're used to them. And NC locals wouldn't have anything to b*tch about either.

Delaware Turnpike-style tolling is fine in Delaware, since that section of I-95 was built without  federal funding, and the federal government has no say-so about tolling (including location of toll points).   

I don't think the USDOT or its FHWA are going to permit that anywhere on the currently "free" Interstate system if federal dollars were used for construction or repair and rehabilitation.   
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #181 on: March 18, 2012, 09:14:58 PM »

Is there any particular reason the federal government wouldn't allow NC to toll I-95 in that manner, if I-95 is approved for tolling?
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #182 on: March 19, 2012, 07:58:22 PM »

Is there any particular reason the federal government wouldn't allow NC to toll I-95 in that manner, if I-95 is approved for tolling?
I agree, I don't understand CP's point.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #183 on: March 20, 2012, 08:10:58 AM »

Is there any particular reason the federal government wouldn't allow NC to toll I-95 in that manner, if I-95 is approved for tolling?

I suspect (but cannot prove) that the FHWA will not allow a state to impose tolls only on traffic crossing a state boundary as part of the Interstate System Reconstruction & Rehabilitation Pilot Program, for practical reasons (a single tolling point is likely to cause shunpiking) and for reasons of equity (states should not be allowed to discriminate against interstate travel).
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #184 on: March 20, 2012, 09:49:02 AM »

I suspect (but cannot prove) that the FHWA will not allow a state to impose tolls only on traffic crossing a state boundary as part of the Interstate System Reconstruction & Rehabilitation Pilot Program, for practical reasons (a single tolling point is likely to cause shunpiking) and for reasons of equity (states should not be allowed to discriminate against interstate travel).

On its face, that may be true, but in practical application, most of the interstates that the states are pushing for this program carry a higher-than-normal percentage of true interstate (or out-of-state) traffic.

I-80 connects nothing of real significance in Pennsylvania, but it's a major route from the Midwest to NYC.

I-95 connects nothing of real significance in North Carolina, but it's a major route from Florida to the Northeast.

A toll collection point near the state line would just be a much more obvious symbol of what those states are really trying to do; which is collect tolls from out-of-state motorists who are just passing through.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #185 on: March 20, 2012, 03:21:24 PM »

On its face, that may be true, but in practical application, most of the interstates that the states are pushing for this program carry a higher-than-normal percentage of true interstate (or out-of-state) traffic.

I-80 connects nothing of real significance in Pennsylvania, but it's a major route from the Midwest to NYC.

I-95 connects nothing of real significance in North Carolina, but it's a major route from Florida to the Northeast.

I would think that folks in Williamsport, Scranton, Wilkes-Barre, Raleigh, Rocky Mount, Fayetteville, and Wilmington would disagree!

Raleigh and Wilmington are not directly on I-95, but I-95 provides a major access for those cities, in the case of Raleigh a state capital and served by spurs of I-40 and US-264.

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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #186 on: March 21, 2012, 11:01:25 AM »

I suspect (but cannot prove) that the FHWA will not allow a state to impose tolls only on traffic crossing a state boundary as part of the Interstate System Reconstruction & Rehabilitation Pilot Program, for practical reasons (a single tolling point is likely to cause shunpiking) and for reasons of equity (states should not be allowed to discriminate against interstate travel).

On its face, that may be true, but in practical application, most of the interstates that the states are pushing for this program carry a higher-than-normal percentage of true interstate (or out-of-state) traffic.

H.B., that is correct (at least in most cases).  The Virginia proposal to toll I-95 is an exception.

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I-80 connects nothing of real significance in Pennsylvania, but it's a major route from the Midwest to NYC.

I've driven almost none of I-80 in Penn's Woods, but from looking at a map, it seems you are correct.  "A whole lot of nothing." 

Other people that I trust say that long sections of I-80 in Pennsylvania need reconstruction and repair (and probably widening, though that was not included in the PTC/PennDOT proposal that was submitted to USDOT).

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I-95 connects nothing of real significance in North Carolina, but it's a major route from Florida to the Northeast.

Absolutely correct.  I am one of those users, driving rather frequently from Maryland to South Carolina.

And I know that long sections of I-95 in North Carolina are badly in need of widening and total reconstruction. 

And even though NCDOT has done some remediation work, there are still about a dozen overpasses (mostly around and north of Lumberton) that are too low for Interstate-legal truck traffic.

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A toll collection point near the state line would just be a much more obvious symbol of what those states are really trying to do; which is collect tolls from out-of-state motorists who are just passing through.

That's true, though (strange as it sounds), I liked the PTC/PennDOT proposal for tolling I-80 (I did not like the proposal to divert most of the I-80 revenue to militantly unionized hourly transit employees in urban areas of Pennsylvanian far from the I-80 corridor, however - nor did the Bush and Obama Administration USDOTs).   

Four-wheeled vehicles with E-ZPass transponders would have gotten the first toll collection gantry they passed on I-80 free of charge, in that way making a fair number of short intrastate trips toll-free.

Did you ever drive the Connecticut Turnpike in the years before it was de-tolled?  I did.  Even though there was no E-ZPass back then, it was pretty obvious to me that the barrier tolls were located in such a way to allow many local trips on the Turnpike to be free of charge.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #187 on: March 21, 2012, 01:39:08 PM »

FHWA must not have a concern tolls at state lines if they have ever traveled I-95 between Delaware and Maryland.  $5 just to cross the state line.  Not an issue for Delaware residents, but punish the out of state folks.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #188 on: March 21, 2012, 02:25:55 PM »

FHWA must not have a concern tolls at state lines if they have ever traveled I-95 between Delaware and Maryland.  $5 just to cross the state line.  Not an issue for Delaware residents, but punish the out of state folks.

That's not an FHWA issue. The Delaware Turnpike was constructed without federal Interstate funds and Delaware originally imposed the tolls to pay for it. The FHWA couldn't demand that they remove the tolls once the bonds were paid off, so the state now uses it as a cash cow to fund other things and to allow them not to have a sales tax.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #189 on: March 22, 2012, 01:58:00 PM »

Williamsport, Scranton and Wilkes-Barre aren't on I-80.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #190 on: March 22, 2012, 04:52:45 PM »

Williamsport, Scranton and Wilkes-Barre aren't on I-80.

I-80 provides major Interstate east-west access to them, via spur I-380 and a section of I-81 for Scranton and Wilkes-Barre, and via spur I-180 and a section of US-220 for Williamsport.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #191 on: March 22, 2012, 11:41:07 PM »

Williamsport, Scranton and Wilkes-Barre aren't on I-80.

I-80 provides major Interstate east-west access to them, via spur I-380 and a section of I-81 for Scranton and Wilkes-Barre, and via spur I-180 and a section of US-220 for Williamsport.


What does this have to do with North Carolina?? Stay on topic...
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #192 on: March 23, 2012, 12:48:10 AM »

Williamsport, Scranton and Wilkes-Barre aren't on I-80.

I-80 provides major Interstate east-west access to them, via spur I-380 and a section of I-81 for Scranton and Wilkes-Barre, and via spur I-180 and a section of US-220 for Williamsport.


What does this have to do with North Carolina?? Stay on topic...
It has to do with the topic of tolling I-95. Read the thread...
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #193 on: March 23, 2012, 06:22:31 AM »

Williamsport, Scranton and Wilkes-Barre aren't on I-80.

I-80 provides major Interstate east-west access to them, via spur I-380 and a section of I-81 for Scranton and Wilkes-Barre, and via spur I-180 and a section of US-220 for Williamsport.


What does this have to do with North Carolina?? Stay on topic...
It has to do with the topic of tolling I-95. Read the thread...

And the fact that NC I-95 and PA I-80 both DO serve significant cities in those states, directly and indirectly.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #194 on: March 23, 2012, 08:36:23 AM »

Williamsport, Scranton and Wilkes-Barre aren't on I-80.

I-80 provides major Interstate east-west access to them, via spur I-380 and a section of I-81 for Scranton and Wilkes-Barre, and via spur I-180 and a section of US-220 for Williamsport.


What does this have to do with North Carolina?? Stay on topic...
It has to do with the topic of tolling I-95. Read the thread...

And the fact that NC I-95 and PA I-80 both DO serve significant cities in those states, directly and indirectly.

Significant, yes.

But as a percentage of statewide population (and seats in the respective state legislatures), no.

That is presumably why North Carolina is studying tolls on I-95, and why Pennsylvania promoted tolls on I-80.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #195 on: March 23, 2012, 08:55:08 AM »

And the fact that NC I-95 and PA I-80 both DO serve significant cities in those states, directly and indirectly.

Significant, yes.

But as a percentage of statewide population (and seats in the respective state legislatures), no.

That is presumably why North Carolina is studying tolls on I-95, and why Pennsylvania promoted tolls on I-80.

I would disagree ... the I-80 zone in PA contains about 20% of the state population, and as stated before I-95 provides northerly and southerly access to the state capital Raleigh, and several other NC cities.
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #196 on: March 27, 2012, 07:03:37 AM »

A new NC 130 Business has been designated in Shallotte, as mainline NC 130 has been placed on the Smith Rd extension.  Not sure about the need for this...NC 130 still goes through most of the town on its duplex with US 17 Business...


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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #197 on: April 09, 2012, 01:16:57 PM »

A new NC 130 Business has been designated in Shallotte, as mainline NC 130 has been placed on the Smith Rd extension.  Not sure about the need for this...NC 130 still goes through most of the town on its duplex with US 17 Business...

A few years back they did the same thing to NC 179 down the road in Sunset Beach....seems useless to me
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Re: North Carolina
« Reply #198 on: May 15, 2012, 09:16:57 AM »

Didn't realize this but the northbound span of the new I-85 bridge over the Yadkin River is open to traffic. Two lanes are open.

Two Southbound lanes will be temporarily moved onto the new bridge in July.  The southbound four lane span should be open next year.  One article says January the other says May.

I'll most likely be crossing the new bridge this weekend coming back from the Warrior Dash in Charlotte this weekend.

http://triad.news14.com/content/top_stories/657055/i-85-north-bridge-over-yadkin-river-to-open-saturday
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« Reply #199 on: May 15, 2012, 06:16:16 PM »

I drove across the bridge a couple of months ago.

Never did figure out how you take Exit 84, turn left and go to Spencer.
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