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Re: US 66 via Foothill Blvd in Azuza/Glendora?
« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2016, 03:01:38 AM »

Another interesting thing I found was apparently SR 66 was signed along 'LRN' 248 (Colorado Blvd/Huntington Dr from SR 134 to I-210), according to the State Highway Map of 1982. This was done while the section of US 66 from SR 30 to I-15E was signed as well, but was discontinuous, much like SR 30 was in the 1950s. It would have been redundant to multiplex it.

I don't believe this to be misprint as cahighways reported that the bridge log had it signed as 'Route 66'.. Take it as SR 66 or US 66, but with the map to back it up it was most likely SR 66.

On another related note, any particular reason why SR 66 is so poorly signed? I know a large majority of the road was been relinquished, but as a whole the only shields I have seen were in Upland at Euclid Ave (put up by the city, not cut out) and on the advancement signage on I-15. I don't believe Caltrans even bothered printing the new signs with the 66 spade when I-215 was (finally) widened.
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Re: US 66 via Foothill Blvd in Azuza/Glendora?
« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2016, 04:28:57 AM »

You're correct about the relinquishments; CA 66 is no longer continuous from La Verne to San Bernardino.  Caltrans, particularly this district (8), has little or no interest in promoting a route that (a) they largely do not maintain any more, or (b) has been usurped as a through route by the parallel CA 210 freeway.  Unless a local historical society chapter is interested in posting "Historic 66" signage, official recognition of this route as a viable thoroughfare has essentially ceased.
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Re: US 66 via Foothill Blvd in Azusa/Glendora?
« Reply #27 on: July 01, 2016, 05:23:52 AM »

It's not hard to find historic routes after they have been long decommissioned. Note Azuza is misspelled, it's Azusa (with one 'z' and replace the other 'z' with a 's'). I been through those towns on I-210 on the way to LA myself.
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Re: US 66 via Foothill Blvd in Azusa/Glendora?
« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2016, 10:49:50 AM »

It's not hard to find historic routes after they have been long decommissioned. Note Azuza is misspelled, it's Azusa (with one 'z' and replace the other 'z' with a 's'). I been through those towns on I-210 on the way to LA myself.

It's cake finding them because they still exist as city streets.  The problem you got down in the valley is that most of the really good structures east of Pasadena until you get t San Bernardino are largely gone with redevelopment.  There is some really nice stuff on Santa Monica Blvd, Sunset Blvd, Colorado Blvd and even when you get to San Bernardino...  I don't know, I've been really disappointed by the stretch between the two cities in the past given how much I've actually take the full route between the two...  Here's what I'd recommend seeing 66 related or within the area if you going to go hunting for stuff in California:

Part 1:

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Santa+Monica+Pier/Petersen+Automotive+Museum/LA+BREA+TAR+PITS/Colorado+Street+Bridge/1398+N+E+St,+San+Bernardino,+CA+92405/@34.0902051,-117.3727433,12z/data=!4m72!4m71!1m20!1m1!1s0x80c2a4d0cc37cb65:0xf365d51a75364e8d!2m2!1d-118.4964362!2d34.0098554!3m4!1m2!1d-118.4914475!2d34.0194376!3s0x80c2a4cc25616dd9:0xc75b2b636881ff4a!3m4!1m2!1d-118.4553144!2d34.0440709!3s0x80c2bb6f1161a1eb:0xffedf5b357952ed7!3m4!1m2!1d-118.4069062!2d34.0694265!3s0x80c2bc08483bac0d:0xa9c74d83a6ff4e2e!1m5!1m1!1s0x80c2b93c5eda1669:0x884e2d294b491311!2m2!1d-118.3611336!2d34.062348!1m30!1m1!1s0x80c2b922fdf520ff:0x74ce772b0af26299!2m2!1d-118.3554337!2d34.0637876!3m4!1m2!1d-118.3498217!2d34.0907625!3s0x80c2bed7106e7c49:0x79735b7357adc71!3m4!1m2!1d-118.2892711!2d34.0903098!3s0x80c2c751b63791ab:0x3b4b0e05f4ddad10!3m4!1m2!1d-118.2335769!2d34.0735112!3s0x80c2c6f445c66833:0xc262bcf17481417f!3m4!1m2!1d-118.2115025!2d34.0908064!3s0x80c2c69bf7f3a683:0x3a97632c1e32fadf!3m4!1m2!1d-118.1907049!2d34.110614!3s0x80c2c411c8235831:0x13b9e5f1437609ef!1m5!1m1!1s0x80c2c39eade6d05b:0x4c54006771f8981b!2m2!1d-118.1645887!2d34.144553!1m5!1m1!1s0x80c3530d86e13ceb:0xcd87ef08e13b68b3!2m2!1d-117.2944657!2d34.1254898!3e0?hl=en

-  Santa Monica Pier:  Must see since it has a lot of 66 related stuff on it.
-  Petersen Museum/La Brea Tar bits:  Located down on Wilshire, the automotive museum has a lot of really nice cars and a lot of pieces of highway history in the Los Angeles area.  The tar pits are right down the street...so why not?  Definitely take the majority of Santa Monica and Sunset though since you get a lot of that Old L.A. flavor that's getting increasingly rare.
-  Arroyo Seco Parkway:  Take the portion north of Sunset and get off on Figueroa, that will give you a solid look at the classic tunnels.
-  Colorado Street Bridge:  This is probably the most classic Route 66 bridge there is in California.  You can drive over it and take some really cool pictures from the bottom.  The Rose Bowl is around the corner too...you can take a picture of it if that's your thing.  I would take Colorado Blvd through downtown Pasadena since it has a lot of older buildings and get on I-210 to get to San Bernardino.
-  Original McDonald's Site and Museum:  This is on the original McDonald's site in San Bernardino...it's more of Route 66 museum more than anything else and has some really nice old road signage on top of trinkets from the route.

Part 2

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/1398+N+E+St,+San+Bernardino,+CA+92405/Cajon+Blvd,+San+Bernardino,+CA/Summit+Inn+Restaurant,+Mariposa+Road,+Hesperia,+CA/California+Route+66+Museum,+D+Street,+Victorville,+CA/Amtrak+Barstow+Station,+North+1st+Avenue,+Barstow,+CA/Daggett,+CA/Bagdad+Cafe,+National+Trails+Highway,+Newberry+Springs,+CA/@34.760081,-116.8789324,11z/data=!4m59!4m58!1m5!1m1!1s0x80c3530d86e13ceb:0xcd87ef08e13b68b3!2m2!1d-117.2944657!2d34.1254898!1m10!1m1!1s0x80c3467940000001:0x6be522b3d24f3176!2m2!1d-117.3933168!2d34.2134749!3m4!1m2!1d-117.4460356!2d34.2466004!3s0x80c345dc75b86c2f:0x100926ef63b794fa!1m5!1m1!1s0x80c342382a586055:0xf3bf6bf81bf5346a!2m2!1d-117.4352971!2d34.3591006!1m10!1m1!1s0x80c3645cd91d0331:0x9bd43c9de976a10c!2m2!1d-117.2944162!2d34.5371784!3m4!1m2!1d-117.3391872!2d34.6813841!3s0x80c379c08e6c6d69:0x4ba6c3b39e5c4da!1m5!1m1!1s0x80c47b7bc5b7fbfd:0xfb160ab5d59d02c0!2m2!1d-117.0247091!2d34.9047063!1m10!1m1!1s0x80c461f66277d1b5:0xa4946cc47760e120!2m2!1d-116.888098!2d34.8640316!3m4!1m2!1d-116.8254424!2d34.8491621!3s0x80c48a91a891b3b3:0xe114f6802559d548!1m5!1m1!1s0x80c4f0d20ac20fbd:0xbb635b01333e4225!2m2!1d-116.6433633!2d34.8196609!3e0?hl=en

-  Cajon Pass:  A must see divided part of Old 66 west of I-15 on Cajon blvd.  This is a really cool place where you can get a look at what older Californian expressways looked like for about 5 miles and see the trains coming down the pass up close.
-  Summit Inn:  This is up at the top of Cajon Pass and is an authentic Route 66 diner.  The food is okay but the neon signage is what really stands out.
-  California Route 66 Museum:  Interesting museum on D Street in Victorville that has a ton of old signage and display pieces related to Route 66.
-  Lenwood Stretch:  The stretch of US 66 west of I-15 goes through several smaller towns.  There are some really old gas stations on the side of the road that are worth looking at and taking some pictures.
-  Barstow Harvey House:  I added the address for the train station in Barstow since it's an older Harvey House and Museum.  They have a bunch of train and Route 66 stuff worth checking out.
-  Daggett: You won't be able to access Daggett directly from Barstow due to the Marine Corp base but it's worth a look given how many older 66 style buildings are there.
-  Bagdad Cafe:  Apparently this was is a bunch of older movies even though it is closer to Newberry Springs rather than the actual Bagdad townsite which was east of Ludlow

Part 3

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Bagdad+Cafe,+National+Trails+Highway,+Newberry+Springs,+CA/Ludlow,+CA/Amboy+Crater,+San+Bernardino+County,+CA/Chambless,+CA/Cadiz+Summit,+San+Bernardino+County,+CA/Essex,+CA/Goffs,+CA/El+Garces,+G+Street,+Needles,+CA/Park+Moabi+Regional+Park,+Park+Moabi+Road,+Needles,+CA/@34.8067066,-114.6021914,14z/data=!4m66!4m65!1m5!1m1!1s0x80c4f0d20ac20fbd:0xbb635b01333e4225!2m2!1d-116.6433633!2d34.8196609!1m5!1m1!1s0x80c51643304d1053:0xd07ee07fe62965fe!2m2!1d-116.1600117!2d34.7211004!1m5!1m1!1s0x80c5516dbbec26c3:0xc8fe37a32d3eb5a9!2m2!1d-115.7911091!2d34.5438831!1m5!1m1!1s0x80cffc1555eaf633:0xe29a3595e89db46e!2m2!1d-115.544712!2d34.5613853!1m5!1m1!1s0x80cffcc66e4e6f5f:0xf4777ed0f3faf494!2m2!1d-115.48721!2d34.5697192!1m5!1m1!1s0x80cfc2d303d8d131:0xf934a57c11cacfb4!2m2!1d-115.2449794!2d34.7336097!1m10!1m1!1s0x80cfc838648ed719:0x1a6f9734bbef729f!2m2!1d-115.060997!2d34.917431!3m4!1m2!1d-114.6206463!2d34.8484922!3s0x80ce24a0683e0927:0xee77159b379b924b!1m10!1m1!1s0x80ce236feab7a141:0x1d6cde4da4200987!2m2!1d-114.605981!2d34.8406861!3m4!1m2!1d-114.5963435!2d34.833897!3s0x80ce2374d985de77:0x83307924fc11ebaf!1m5!1m1!1s0x80ce1ffcd135b6b7:0x29a939f18d76572f!2m2!1d-114.5138691!2d34.7255059!3e0?hl=en

-  Ludlow:  If you can get past the facade along I-40 there is a really neat ghost town south of the Interstate.  This is where you are going to get off to see most of the Mojave section of old 66 anyways.
-  Amboy Crater and Amboy:  The Amboy Crater is a volcanic cone south of Old 66 as you are coming up to Amboy Road.  There is a newer paved road to the crater itself, worth a look.  Amboy itself has Roy's Cafe and Motel which is a really neat old complex.  They sell some trinkets inside but nothing too worth while.
-  Chambless:  Chambless has a lot of old roadside ruins to it, my favorite is Road Runner's Retreat.
-  Cadiz Summit:  This is a couple miles east of Chambless is a heavily vandalized husk of an old travel lodge.  Some of the art work on the concrete walls is fantastic.
-  Essex:  This is a neat little ghost town with lots of older buildings and gas stations, just make sure you stay in your car since there are a couple weird desert people lurking about with attack dogs to this day.
-  Goffs:  A really neat abandoned railroad town on the original alignment of 66 before it was straightened. Lots of abandoned buildings to checkout and a small museum with wonky hours.
-  El Garces Hotel:  This is another Harvey House in Needles which is an incredibly beautiful building now that it's almost restored.  You can get a really good overlook from the McDonald's just off I-40 but there is also a small Route 66 Museum across the street with the building itself.  Be careful of Needles PD, they like to screw with people passing through town on speeding tickets.
-  Colorado Arch Bridge:  If you get off of I-40 at Park Mobai follow the road east to the Colorado River.  There is a white arch bridge with a pipeline on it which was the original car bridge over the River for Route 66.  There are some really neat signs meant to attract you to Oatman, Arizona from here.

Basically that's my take on the entire state...lots to see but most of it is pretty limited in suburbia and will take you a long time until you hit Cajon Pass.  The desert is really where Old 66 really comes into its own but it's a pretty lonely journey and not one a lot of people want to take given how far off the grid it really is.
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Re: US 66 via Foothill Blvd in Azuza/Glendora?
« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2016, 12:24:41 PM »

"Apparently the western section of sign route 30 was considered to be a discontinuous section of the highway that commenced eastward from San Dimas."

Is there any published map, or list of state sign routes, that confirms this other than recollection. The documentation that I have show SSR (State Sign Route, that is the pre-1964 signage) 30 as corresponding to Legislative Route 190 (LRN 190), and LRN 190 as having the following history (which I've confirmed by going through the legislative records):

In 1933, Chapter 767 added the routes from "[LRN 9] near San Dimas to [LRN 26] near Redlands via Highland Avenue" and "[LRN 26] near Redlands to [LRN 43] near Big Bear Lake via Barton Flats" to the highway system. In 1935, these were added to the highway code as LRN 190, with the route:

    [LRN 9] near San Dimas to [LRN 26] near Redlands via Highland Avenue
    [LRN 26] near Redlands to [LRN 43] near Big Bear Lake via Barton Flats

The map to the right shows LRN 190 (Route 30) to its junction with LRN 207. This is where the route turned into Route 38.

In 1957, Chapter 1911 deleted the specific routing via Highland Avenue from segment (a).

This route was signed as follows:

    LRN 9 (US 66; I-210) near San Dimas to LRN 26 (US 70/US 99; present-day I-10) near Redlands.

    This was Route 30 between Route 57 and I-10; it is present day Route 210. It originally ran along Highland Avenue

    LRN 26 near Redlands to LRN 43 near Big Bear Lake, via Barton Flats.

    This is present-day Route 38.

I tend to believe that there wouldn't be a SSR along a non-legislative route, so what LRN corresponds to the claimed SSR 30 W of San Dimas?

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Re: US 66 via Foothill Blvd in Azuza/Glendora?
« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2016, 03:37:23 PM »

I tend to believe that there wouldn't be a SSR along a non-legislative route, so what LRN corresponds to the claimed SSR 30 W of San Dimas?
The supposed piece of SR 30 would have been on LR 9 where US 66 used LR 161 through Arcadia.
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« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2016, 03:45:20 PM »

FYI, LRN 161's other "main" section consisted of Alternate US 66 along Colorado Blvd. west of Fair Oaks Ave (LRN 9 turned north and NW along Sign Route 118) west to Figueroa St., where Alternate US 66 (along with Sign Route 11, which joined Alt. 66 from Linda Vista Ave. south of the Rose Bowl) turned south (the whole of SSR 11 was LRN 165).  LRN 161 continued west through Glendale and Burbank, signed as Route 134, originally terminating at US 101/LRN 2 in Sherman Oaks but cut back to Lankershim Blvd. (LRN 159)  in North Hollywood circa 1957.  The purpose of the 2nd section of LRN 161 was simply to straighten out the alignment of US 66 in the Pasadena/Arcadia area. 

There was never a one-to-one SLR/SSR arrangement within the Division of Highways; US 66 occupied 8 separate LRN's from its Santa Monica terminus to the Arizona border.  LRN 190, which carried SSR 30 for much of its length, actually diverged from the SSR 30 signage near Highland and turned south to (originally) terminate at US 70/99 (SLR 26) at Redlands before the extension that eventually became SSR 38 was commissioned.  SSR 30 continued up City Creek Road toward Big Bear as SLR 207.  The section between SSR 30 and, eventually, SSR 38 was unsigned prior to the 1964 renumbering.     
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Re: US 66 via Foothill Blvd in Azuza/Glendora?
« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2016, 07:03:10 PM »

LRN 190, which carried SSR 30 for much of its length, actually diverged from the SSR 30 signage near Highland and turned south to (originally) terminate at US 70/99 (SLR 26) at Redlands before the extension that eventually became SSR 38 was commissioned.  SSR 30 continued up City Creek Road toward Big Bear as SLR 207.  The section between SSR 30 and, eventually, SSR 38 was unsigned prior to the 1964 renumbering.   

AFAIK, LRN 190 always ran from San Dimas to Big Bear, eventual SSR 30 (San Dimas to Highland) and SSR 38 (Redlands to Big Bear) with the section from Highland to Redlands unsigned. I believe the section of Orange from Lugonia to Redlands Blvd (US 70/99) was part of an entirely different LRN, or it could have been a loop of LRN 190. SSR 38 was assigned after SSR 30 IIRC.
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« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2016, 09:35:10 PM »

LRN 190 did include Orange Ave. in Redlands; the main line did turn left on Lugonia along what became CA 38; the several blocks south from there on Orange was a LRN 190 spur connecting to, originally the Redlands Blvd. alignment of US 70/99 and later cut back a couple of blocks to I-10.  The route was always legislatively defined as going to Big Bear, but that extension didn't come about until 1962, when the highway, essentially the "back way" up to Big Bear, was finally completed and signed as SSR 38, including the short section into central Redlands.   The original Lugonia segment was state-maintained up to a few miles west of Forest Falls; the newer construction turned north and east from there to ascend the mountain.  So about 30 years passed between the designations of 30 and 38. 
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