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Re: Tappan Zee Bridge replacement moving at a snail's pace
« Reply #100 on: October 03, 2012, 08:40:48 PM »


It used to.  But the British government was about the last holdout, and they changed billion to 1000 million about 30 or 40 years ago for financial reports.

when I was learning numbers in Hungary in the 1980s, I learned that 1000 million was a number called a "milliard", and 1000 times that was a billion.

not sure how they are treating it these days.
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Re: Tappan Zee Bridge replacement moving at a snail's pace
« Reply #101 on: October 03, 2012, 10:11:02 PM »


It used to.  But the British government was about the last holdout, and they changed billion to 1000 million about 30 or 40 years ago for financial reports.

when I was learning numbers in Hungary in the 1980s, I learned that 1000 million was a number called a "milliard", and 1000 times that was a billion.

not sure how they are treating it these days.
Same when I learned French.
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Re: Tappan Zee Bridge replacement moving at a snail's pace
« Reply #102 on: October 04, 2012, 07:58:26 AM »

I learned 999,999,998, 999,999,999, 1,000,000,000, 1,000,000,001, etc. Never heard of a "thousand million" or something like that. :/
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Re: Tappan Zee Bridge replacement moving at a snail's pace
« Reply #103 on: February 18, 2013, 08:43:47 PM »

TOLLROADSnews: New York State Thruway to go cashless at three major barrier plazas - savings at TZ Bridge

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The New York State Thruway is converting two mainline and one side toll plaza to all electronic or cashless toll collection. The board of directors of the Thruway Authority at their last monthly meeting authorized Thruway staff to develop detailed plans for conversion of the Yonkers, Tappan Zee Bridge and Harriman barrier toll plazas to all-electronic toll collection (AET).
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Re: Tappan Zee Bridge replacement moving at a snail's pace
« Reply #104 on: February 19, 2013, 01:21:36 AM »

TOLLROADSnews: New York State Thruway to go cashless at three major barrier plazas - savings at TZ Bridge

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The New York State Thruway is converting two mainline and one side toll plaza to all electronic or cashless toll collection. The board of directors of the Thruway Authority at their last monthly meeting authorized Thruway staff to develop detailed plans for conversion of the Yonkers, Tappan Zee Bridge and Harriman barrier toll plazas to all-electronic toll collection (AET).

So what does this mean for long distance drivers without EZpass?  I'm guessing there will be some kind of photo option?  I can't imagine the Thruway mainline would become transponder-only.
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Re: Tappan Zee Bridge replacement moving at a snail's pace
« Reply #105 on: February 19, 2013, 01:33:37 AM »

TOLLROADSnews: New York State Thruway to go cashless at three major barrier plazas - savings at TZ Bridge

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The New York State Thruway is converting two mainline and one side toll plaza to all electronic or cashless toll collection. The board of directors of the Thruway Authority at their last monthly meeting authorized Thruway staff to develop detailed plans for conversion of the Yonkers, Tappan Zee Bridge and Harriman barrier toll plazas to all-electronic toll collection (AET).

So what does this mean for long distance drivers without EZpass?  I'm guessing there will be some kind of photo option?  I can't imagine the Thruway mainline would become transponder-only.

Most cashless toll roads offer video tolling, though usually at a higher charge than having a transponder.

I am aware of at least one in Texas (Fort Bend Parkway) that requires a transponder, and the toll lanes on Ca. 91 (Riverside Freeway) and Virginia's part of I-495 (Capital Beltway) both require drivers to have the appropriate transponder.
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Re: Tappan Zee Bridge replacement moving at a snail's pace
« Reply #106 on: February 19, 2013, 12:41:15 PM »

TOLLROADSnews: New York State Thruway to go cashless at three major barrier plazas - savings at TZ Bridge

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The New York State Thruway is converting two mainline and one side toll plaza to all electronic or cashless toll collection. The board of directors of the Thruway Authority at their last monthly meeting authorized Thruway staff to develop detailed plans for conversion of the Yonkers, Tappan Zee Bridge and Harriman barrier toll plazas to all-electronic toll collection (AET).
Did Hell freeze over?  That said, I can understand converting Tappan Zee and Yonkers, but Harriman makes no sense considering that it serves some ticket system traffic.  I'd rather they convert the other non-ticket mainline barriers (New Rochelle, Tonawanda, and Niagara) first.  If personnel are the issue, they could also replace the people handing out tickets with machines, especially since they stopped issuing separate tickets for different vehicle classes recently.

I wonder if this is why there has been no movement on the Williamsville barrier replacement project in over a decade.

TOLLROADSnews: New York State Thruway to go cashless at three major barrier plazas - savings at TZ Bridge

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The New York State Thruway is converting two mainline and one side toll plaza to all electronic or cashless toll collection. The board of directors of the Thruway Authority at their last monthly meeting authorized Thruway staff to develop detailed plans for conversion of the Yonkers, Tappan Zee Bridge and Harriman barrier toll plazas to all-electronic toll collection (AET).

So what does this mean for long distance drivers without EZpass?  I'm guessing there will be some kind of photo option?  I can't imagine the Thruway mainline would become transponder-only.

Most cashless toll roads offer video tolling, though usually at a higher charge than having a transponder.

I am aware of at least one in Texas (Fort Bend Parkway) that requires a transponder, and the toll lanes on Ca. 91 (Riverside Freeway) and Virginia's part of I-495 (Capital Beltway) both require drivers to have the appropriate transponder.
The Thruway already has cameras in EZ-Pass lanes to handle violations, so it shouldn't be hard to make them handle bill by mail.
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Re: Tappan Zee Bridge replacement moving at a snail's pace
« Reply #107 on: February 19, 2013, 01:29:05 PM »

 
TOLLROADSnews: New York State Thruway to go cashless at three major barrier plazas - savings at TZ Bridge

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The New York State Thruway is converting two mainline and one side toll plaza to all electronic or cashless toll collection. The board of directors of the Thruway Authority at their last monthly meeting authorized Thruway staff to develop detailed plans for conversion of the Yonkers, Tappan Zee Bridge and Harriman barrier toll plazas to all-electronic toll collection (AET).

As deanej notes, Harriman doesn't make sense unless they reconfigure it to use AET for northbound traffic while maintaining a cash option for southbound traffic coming off the ticket system. If instead the idea were that there would be cameras on all toll lanes and the system would locate where that vehicle entered the Thruway system, then why have toll tickets at all?


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Re: Tappan Zee Bridge replacement moving at a snail's pace
« Reply #108 on: February 19, 2013, 02:27:47 PM »

Since the southbound exit has separate lanes at the toll booth, there's no reason they couldn't just leave those alone. Chances are it's just CP's favorite blog playing silly buggers.
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Re: Tappan Zee Bridge replacement moving at a snail's pace
« Reply #109 on: February 19, 2013, 05:09:22 PM »

It would still be silly for the people getting on to head north... they'd have to go through the all-electronic barrier, and then the traditional booth and pick up a ticket.  I assume they won't be demolishing the Woodbury barrier so soon after reconstruction.
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Re: Tappan Zee Bridge replacement moving at a snail's pace
« Reply #110 on: February 19, 2013, 07:21:34 PM »

It would still be silly for the people getting on to head north... they'd have to go through the all-electronic barrier, and then the traditional booth and pick up a ticket.  I assume they won't be demolishing the Woodbury barrier so soon after reconstruction.
I had the same questions early in the process - it's going to be set up to make sure that there is a cash option for SB offramp and "grab-ticket" option for NB onramp from 17.
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Re: Tappan Zee Bridge replacement moving at a snail's pace
« Reply #111 on: February 19, 2013, 10:31:53 PM »

And that interchange gets more and more interesting with each modification... I still think they would get much more bang for their buck elsewhere, especially since whatever they do they'll have to scrap if/when the ticket system goes all-electronic.
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Re: Tappan Zee Bridge replacement moving at a snail's pace
« Reply #112 on: February 20, 2013, 07:05:38 PM »

And that interchange gets more and more interesting with each modification... I still think they would get much more bang for their buck elsewhere, especially since whatever they do they'll have to scrap if/when the ticket system goes all-electronic.
This is a trial installation - before they would dream of implementing something systemwide, they want to make sure they are familiar with its operation and get the institutions in place to deal with it. That's common sense. So you could do that at Yonkers and Tappan Zee easily enough. As for Harriman... there were a couple of reasons there, but yeah, it would have been easier not to. *shrug*
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Re: Tappan Zee Bridge replacement moving at a snail's pace
« Reply #113 on: February 21, 2013, 12:40:12 PM »

Maybe it has something to do with NYSDOT's plans to reconstruct the NY 17/NY 32 interchange.
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Re: Tappan Zee Bridge replacement moving at a snail's pace
« Reply #114 on: February 21, 2013, 12:45:07 PM »

This is a trial installation - before they would dream of implementing something systemwide, they want to make sure they are familiar with its operation and get the institutions in place to deal with it.

Isn't that essentially what the Florida's Turnpike is doing?

They flipped the entire Homestead Extension to cashless, even though they apparently still take cash (for now) on  the rest of the system.
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Re: Tappan Zee Bridge replacement moving at a snail's pace
« Reply #115 on: February 22, 2013, 05:00:40 PM »

This is a trial installation - before they would dream of implementing something systemwide, they want to make sure they are familiar with its operation and get the institutions in place to deal with it.

Isn't that essentially what the Florida's Turnpike is doing?

They flipped the entire Homestead Extension to cashless, even though they apparently still take cash (for now) on  the rest of the system.
Yep, and we actually looked at Florida's experience in doing the research for NYSTA.
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