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Cape May-Lewes Ferry tagged as US-9 on Google
« on: February 20, 2013, 12:53:35 AM »

I know it's not an official designation but I remember seeing it designated this way on a paper map years ago.  I think this is one of the few occasions when I would make an exception to my strong love of END signage.  I think NJDOT should even put the standard "Welcome to New Jersey" and "Entering Lower Twp" signage up;  you entered NJ by car.

https://maps.google.com/?ll=38.940051,-74.988899&spn=0.099471,0.234318&t=h&z=13
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Re: Cape May-Lewes Ferry tagged as US-9 on Google
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2013, 01:03:07 AM »

I know it's not an official designation but I remember seeing it designated this way on a paper map years ago.  I think this is one of the few occasions when I would make an exception to my strong love of END signage.  I think NJDOT should even put the standard "Welcome to New Jersey" and "Entering Lower Twp" signage up;  you entered NJ by car.

https://maps.google.com/?ll=38.940051,-74.988899&spn=0.099471,0.234318&t=h&z=13

U.S. 9 is posted in Delaware, (and posted E-W) between the U.S. 13 at Laurel and the ferry.
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Re: Cape May-Lewes Ferry tagged as US-9 on Google
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2013, 01:05:08 AM »

Right, but the ferry parking lot and the boat aren't officially US-9.  The designation ends short of the ferry on both sides.
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Re: Cape May-Lewes Ferry tagged as US-9 on Google
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2013, 01:54:35 AM »

Right, but the ferry parking lot and the boat aren't officially US-9.  The designation ends short of the ferry on both sides.
http://route.transportation.org/Documents/USRN_page_001_to_054.pdf shows no gap.

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Re: Cape May-Lewes Ferry tagged as US-9 on Google
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2013, 04:11:46 AM »

Right, but the ferry parking lot and the boat aren't officially US-9.  The designation ends short of the ferry on both sides.
http://route.transportation.org/Documents/USRN_page_001_to_054.pdf shows no gap.

The mileage to the state line isn't included in any of the figures in that document or in real life.  SLD shows the route ending at the water's edge with no reference to a ferry being available.
http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/refdata/sldiag/00000009__-.pdf

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Re: Cape May-Lewes Ferry tagged as US-9 on Google
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2013, 08:21:12 AM »

The NJ SLDs are for reference purposes only, and may not necessarily reflect the actual routing.  The SLD is only showing the road as it exists in NJ. 

US 9 is indeed a multi-state road, that goes from Delaware thru New Jersey into New York State.  Ferries are considered part of the route.
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Re: Cape May-Lewes Ferry tagged as US-9 on Google
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2013, 06:24:00 PM »

Ferries are considered part of the route.

Any other examples of this?
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Re: Cape May-Lewes Ferry tagged as US-9 on Google
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2013, 06:24:56 PM »

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Re: Cape May-Lewes Ferry tagged as US-9 on Google
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2013, 06:39:42 PM »

Is that Lake Champlain crossing heading towards Vermont?
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Re: Cape May-Lewes Ferry tagged as US-9 on Google
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2013, 06:49:31 PM »

Ferries are considered part of the route.

Any other examples of this?

NY 114?

CT 148 and CT 160, although those ferries have ceased operation due to budget cuts, leaving both routes discontinuous.
NC 12
Any number of rural northern routes in Canada.

The case of US 9 is complicated by the fact that the ferry crosses a state line, and the ferry is not operated by either DOT, so neither state has reason to internally consider the route to continue past the dock.

US 10 is officially considered to be two separate routes, although the ferry connecting them across Lake Michigan is seasonal.


EDIT: To answer Kevin's question, NY 114 travels from Greenport down to East Hampton, via Shelter Island which is only accessible by ferry on either end. I drove it this past weekend. There is an error US 114 shield on Shelter Island.
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Re: Cape May-Lewes Ferry tagged as US-9 on Google
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2013, 08:31:34 PM »

Ferries are considered part of the route.

Any other examples of this?

Highway E18 between Stockholm or Kapellskär, Sweden and Åbo/Turku or Nådendal/Naantali, Finland.

Highway E20 between Stockholm and Tallinn, Estonia.  There's also a "missing" E20 ferry connection between Kingston upon Hull, England and Esbjerg, Denmark.

Highway E39 between Hirtshals, Denmark and Kristiansand, Norway.  E39 also has at least 5 domestic ferries along its route in coastal Norway (and had more in the past, but several have been replaced by subsea tunnels.

Highway E65 between Ystad, Sweden and Świnoujście, Poland.
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Re: Cape May-Lewes Ferry tagged as US-9 on Google
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2013, 08:50:33 PM »

The entire Washington ferry system?

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Re: Cape May-Lewes Ferry tagged as US-9 on Google
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2013, 08:58:00 PM »

The case of US 9 is complicated by the fact that the ferry crosses a state line, and the ferry is not operated by either DOT, so neither state has reason to internally consider the route to continue past the dock.

But the Cape May-Lewes Ferry is operated by a public authority, the Delaware River & Bay Authority (DRBA).
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Re: Cape May-Lewes Ferry tagged as US-9 on Google
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2013, 09:23:08 AM »

US 322 used to be a ferry crossing the Delaware, before the Comm Barry Bridge was built.

I'm sure ferries crossing state lines, with the route number considered part of the ferry's routing, used to be a frequent occurrence in the early - mid 1900's.
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Re: Cape May-Lewes Ferry tagged as US-9 on Google
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2013, 09:32:49 AM »

US 322 used to be a ferry crossing the Delaware, before the Comm Barry Bridge was built.

I'm sure ferries crossing state lines, with the route number considered part of the ferry's routing, used to be a frequent occurrence in the early - mid 1900's.

White's Ferry between Dickerson, Maryland and Leesburg Virginia can probably be  considered an interstate ferry, though the entire  Potomac River belongs to  Maryland (up to the high-water mark on the Virginia shoreline).

On the Virginia side, Va. 655 (White's Ferry Road), a secondary system road, leads from the ferry landing to U.S.15.

On the Maryland side, un-numbered River Road (gravel surface) and un-numbered White's Ferry Road lead to the landing.  Both are secondary roads maintained by Montgomery County.
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Re: Cape May-Lewes Ferry tagged as US-9 on Google
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Re: Cape May-Lewes Ferry tagged as US-9 on Google
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2013, 09:40:20 AM »

wait, the Alaska Marines are numbered routes?

 


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