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New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« on: August 15, 2010, 06:05:23 PM »

On the way someplace today I saw some new signs on I-88 just west of I-355 near Downers Grove, IL that have a regular "IL-110" marker with a banner above that shows a red and blue stylized "CKC" alongside the normal I-88 reassurance marker. I only saw 2 in each direction west of I-355 but did not go east to see if there were any more.

Weirdly, since this is an ITHA road, these signs bore IDOT markings on them.

The CKC banner leads me to guess that they are there to promote some sort of Chicago to Kansas City highway initiative, perhaps to gain favor for a Stimulus grant?

See pics at http://www.n9jig.com/101-120.html#il110

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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2010, 06:18:08 PM »

A little more searching and I found my own answer!

Chicago-Kansas City Expressway a reality after six-decade effort (Quincy Herald-Whig)
Published: 6/30/2010 | Updated: 7/23/2010
By DOUG WILSON
Herald-Whig Senior Writer

The long-envisioned Chicago-Kansas City Expressway is now officially established as a new national transportation corridor.
A joint resolution approved by the Illinois House and Senate:
* Officially recognizes the corridor.
* Identifies the routes that form the Illinois portion of the C-KC.
* Authorizes a C-KC logo.
* Declares Route 110 to be an additional common designation for the routes that form the corridor.
* Directs that signs with the Route 110 and C-KC logo be installed along the corridor to assist motorists and promote marketing efforts.

(Read the rest at http://www.whig.com/story/news/C-KC-063010)
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2010, 09:53:01 PM »

You got it ! There is a nother post . It is in General highways because it streaches over such a large area There is an up date under Missouri Highways !

If its just West of 355 it means it must run West to Quad cities Does it run east to IKE?

IDOT hanst posted then dowm here yet on 74,34 ,67 or 336!

If you saw it it did its job You made a Quincy Publisher very Happy
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2010, 05:19:25 PM »

Quote from: From resolution text
RESOLVED, That suitable copies of this resolution be delivered to the Secretary of the Illinois Department of Transportation, the Director of the Missouri Department of Transportation, the Executive Director of the Illinois State Toll Highway Authority, and the Mayors of Chicago, the Quad-Cities, Galesburg, Monmouth, Macomb, and Quincy.

Is it just simple government courtesy to give a copy of such a resolution to MoDOT, or are they expecting MoDOT to extend the 110 corridor westward?  The latter would require the existing MO 110 from US 67 to MO 21 at De Soto to be renumbered.
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2010, 09:36:04 PM »

The legeslation says IL 110 does run along the Ike.

"RESOLVED, BY THE SENATE OF THE NINETY-SIXTH GENERAL 
17  ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 
18  CONCURRING HEREIN, that we designate Interstate 290 to 
19  Interstate 88, Interstate 88 to Interstate 80, the portions of 
20  Interstate 80 from Interstate 88 to Interstate 74, Interstate 
21  74 to Galesburg, U.S. Route 34 to Monmouth, U.S. Route 67 to 
22  Macomb, Illinois 336 to Interstate 172 at Quincy, Interstate 
 

 
 
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1  172 to Interstate 72, and Interstate 72 to the crossing of the 
2  Mississippi River at Hannibal, Missouri as the Illinois portion 
3  of the Chicago - Kansas City Expressway and marked concurrently 
4  with the existing route numbers as Illinois Route 110; and be 
5  it further  "


The question is will IL 110 markers show up along I-290 during or after construction...or at all...

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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2010, 10:54:02 PM »

They arent on 34 67 336 yet!
They Should have told MO but that doesnt mean they did.
Some older Stories indicated it was 55 to 80 This is actually about a mile lomger However if the IKE is made 8 lanes it will be much nicer drive than 80/55.
If IDOT added passing lanes to 34 between Galesburg and 80 it would be a good alternate as well about 11 miles shorter
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2010, 06:32:21 AM »

I wonder what the significance of 110 is to the route?
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2010, 06:15:28 PM »

They arent on 34 67 336 yet!
They Should have told MO but that doesnt mean they did.
Some older Stories indicated it was 55 to 80 This is actually about a mile lomger However if the IKE is made 8 lanes it will be much nicer drive than 80/55.
If IDOT added passing lanes to 34 between Galesburg and 80 it would be a good alternate as well about 11 miles shorter


In the overview of the legislation it mentions I-55 and I-80 from Chicago, which threw me for a loop until I read the full text and found the actual route.

Next thought is over the next few years will the IL 110 sheilds start being added to the BGS's at like I-39 & I-88, I-80 & I-74/280, etc...

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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2010, 09:45:03 PM »

I dont think many roads have had as many designations as 88 . I was told it was a great truck free alternate to 80 back in 1980 and it was Back then the Stevenson was usually and easier drive than the IKE I know now that is not always the case. The downside back then was the ridiculous 55 speed limit .
Now with 8 lanes through DuPage county It is the better drive
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2010, 10:12:32 PM »

I dont think many roads have had as many designations as 88 . I was told it was a great truck free alternate to 80 back in 1980 and it was Back then the Stevenson was usually and easier drive than the IKE I know now that is not always the case. The downside back then was the ridiculous 55 speed limit .
Now with 8 lanes through DuPage county It is the better drive

Let's see, off the top of my head it has been (in whole or part):

Toll US-30
IL-190
IL-5
I-88
IL-56
E-W Tollway
Reagan Tollway

In the Chicago area it really doesn't compete with I-80, they are far enough apart for local traffic to require one or the other. In the larger scheme of interstate travel one does have a choice to make when traveling between Indiana and the Quad Cities. During weather events I-88 is usually going to be better plowed that I-80 and it travels thru lesser populated areas west of Aurora (thus less local traffic) while I-80 has more choices for services and local access.
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2010, 10:58:18 PM »

I forgot Toll 30 Now I think that would be allowed.
Do you remeber the Illinois research and Development Highway (because of Fermilab and Ammaco research lab)?
There was also the empty nickle

IDOT did an Origen Destination Study on 88 I responded I dont know what the results were It was IDOT not the Tollway

80 had one of teh worst traffic messes in Illinois during one freak snowstorm with stuck trucks It ran from IL 78 to Morris and stragly no one but pizza delivery pepole thoght to get off on US 6 or US 34 which were open 88 had no problems but the Message boards at the QCs or the Chicago area never thought to point out 80 was amess and could be easily avoided
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2010, 10:44:12 AM »

Drove I-88 from I-355 to I-80 yest.  Shields at along WB at every on ramp on the main line.  EB shields same except in Kane & Dupage Counties.  No shields on the IDOT portion of I-88 only the ISTHA portion.

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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2010, 02:59:40 PM »

I wonder what the significance of 110 is to the route?

Maybe a random number they chosen by luck to identify the Chicago-Kansas City route. Just like IA Dot did with their gap of Avenue of the Saints with IA-27.
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2010, 11:47:58 PM »

I wonder what the significance of 110 is to the route?

Maybe a random number they chosen by luck to identify the Chicago-Kansas City route. Just like IA Dot did with their gap of Avenue of the Saints with IA-27.

I thought 27 was chosen for the Avenue of the Saints because it was the lowest number available for Iowa, Missouri, and maybe Minnesota?

Since IL 11 is available, it should have been used for the CKC route over IL 110.  Or if the route number is to eventually extend into Missouri, why not IL 88, with the section on I-88 only being signed as the interstate?
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2010, 12:29:13 AM »

or just sign the Macomb to I-88 portions IL 336.  I know be fore anyone says anything that the plans for the IL 336 extention from Macomb to Peoria are named that, but they can be re-numbered.

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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2010, 12:30:57 AM »

or just sign the Macomb to I-88 portions IL 336.  I know be fore anyone says anything that the plans for the IL 336 extention from Macomb to Peoria are named that, but they can be re-numbered.

Why not sign the whole thing US 336?  It would fit in the system and would seem more "important" than a state route.
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2010, 08:30:25 PM »

I thought 27 was chosen for the Avenue of the Saints because it was the lowest number available for Iowa, Missouri, and maybe Minnesota?
The AOTS designation in MN is just I-35. MN 27 was already in use as a moderately important east-west corridor in central Minnesota.
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2010, 06:54:50 PM »

Today I ventured the portion of IL 110 from I-355 to the eastern end, Circle Interchange-Chicago.  IL 110 is only signed along the tollway portion.  The last EB shield is after IL 83.

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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2010, 02:50:22 PM »

Is this really the routing that someone would take from Chicago to Kansas City?  Even if the corridor is improved to interstate standards, wouldn't I-55 to Springfield and I-72 be quicker anyway?
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2010, 03:02:33 PM »

Is this really the routing that someone would take from Chicago to Kansas City?  Even if the corridor is improved to interstate standards, wouldn't I-55 to Springfield and I-72 be quicker anyway?

That's my thoughts.  As it was, when I drove there last year, I took I-80 to I-35.  But, given Illinois politics, we're lucky we're even near The Twilight Zone.
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« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2010, 11:43:22 PM »

I could see the routing follow the finish of IL 336 from Macomb to Peoria and then maybe up IL 29 to I-180, to I-80 east...or along the U.S. 24 or IL 116 corridor east of Peoria to I-55 as a more direct routing vs. I-72 to I-55.

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« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2010, 09:37:21 AM »

I could see the routing follow the finish of IL 336 from Macomb to Peoria and then maybe up IL 29 to I-180, to I-80 east...or along the U.S. 24 or IL 116 corridor east of Peoria to I-55 as a more direct routing vs. I-72 to I-55.


Yeah, but what's the point of building an entirely new corridor that parallels the I-55 corridor just 50 miles to the east.  Let's face it, the only reason they are doing this is to get upgrades to a corridor that may never really carry Chicago to KC traffic, but may serve some important local needs. 
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« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2010, 12:35:54 PM »

 It makes it easy to give directions to Chicago "Take the 110"
It Helps the local area.And I think its an alternate to the busier truck routes. That is why they picked the Tollway not I-80
It is only 6 miles longer than the Peoria area routes
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2010, 06:45:40 PM »

Went MO/IL line to Roseville today.  IL 110 is only signed from the Hancock/Mc Donough County Line to Macomb along IL 336. Then the first NB marker on U.S. 67 is at Good Hope at IL 9.  Then with each U.S. 67 shield up to Roseville. 

Side note, first time I have seen this in Illinois.  Mc Donough County Highway 8 is signed with IL 336 as it runs together for about a quarter mile.  Only place I have seen a state highway and county highway signed together on the same highway.
 


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