Topic: Historic Thomas Brothers Maps (56k warning) (Read 23939 times)

SimMoonXP · « **Reply #50 on:** April 27, 2011, 10:44:38 PM »

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Roadmapfan66 · « **Reply #51 on:** April 27, 2011, 11:03:15 PM »

Thank you for posting the Santa Clarita Valley. I wonder if you have any scanned areas for San Luis Obispo and my home town of Morro Bay too. It seems to me that the city of Visalia, CA had not many scans yet. Central Valley city off course. But Canyon Country was originally called Solemint, does the town of Solemint appear where Canyon Country is in any of your old Thomas Bros. Guides, before or after the year of 1962?

Roadmapfan66 · « **Reply #52 on:** April 27, 2011, 11:05:18 PM »

Or even Bakersfield or Fresno as of yet, is there a limited time period for those two cities, including Visalia too? Just wondering. --- SCP

Roadmapfan66 · « **Reply #53 on:** April 27, 2011, 11:16:37 PM »

I have the new versions of the colored The Thomas Guide, freeways are red just like ACSC maps, but I wonder how much did they publish San Luis Obispo County area, from the first year to the newest year? How many editions existed, and the scans... I would like to know when Morro Bay had CA 1 as a freeway U.C. 1960, 1962 hmmmm?

Interstate Trav · « **Reply #54 on:** April 28, 2011, 12:51:39 AM »

The evolution of the Antelope Valley Freeway. Thats too cool!! They didn't make one for kern County did they? To have the town of Mojave, always did wonder what an old Map of Mojave looks like.

You do have the East Los Angeles Interchange? That would be cool to see the US 60/70/99 meeting with US 101. Amazing if you think about that, with all the changes the same amount of route numbers still converge in Downtowm. Not instead of US 60/70/99/101 its US 101/ I-5/I-10/CA 60.

Interstate Trav · « **Reply #55 on:** April 28, 2011, 12:53:10 AM »

Also I didn't know that Sierra Hwy got CA 14 as the Antelope Valley Freeway was being built.

Bigmikelakers · « **Reply #56 on:** April 29, 2011, 02:47:31 PM »

Heres part of my 1957 San Diego fold out map

Quillz · « **Reply #57 on:** April 29, 2011, 03:04:02 PM »

Quote from: Interstate Trav on April 28, 2011, 12:53:10 AM

Also I didn't know that Sierra Hwy got CA 14 as the Antelope Valley Freeway was being built.

Yeah, it was originally US-6, then became CA-14 around 1964, I think. Seems the original Route 14 was further south.

SimMoonXP · « **Reply #58 on:** April 29, 2011, 07:49:29 PM »

At first, Santa Barbara County Thomas Bros Map Popular Street Atlas was formed in 1972 Edition. Then in either 1985 or 1986 Edition of Santa Barbara County Thomas Guide, it added more coverages for San Luis Obispo County area.
That is 1975 Santa Barbara County Thomas Guide Key Map, as how looks like:

Santa Clarita area
Look at the difference for 1970 and 1972 edition in below.

1970

1972

Solemint was newly red labelled on 1972 edition, but 1970 Edition show black label only.

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Quillz · « **Reply #59 on:** April 30, 2011, 12:41:05 AM »

CA-26 was once in downtown LA?

SimMoonXP · « **Reply #60 on:** April 30, 2011, 12:54:48 AM »

Yes, look on 1962 page 44 far left side...as CA-26 highway sign.

Quillz · « **Reply #61 on:** April 30, 2011, 03:24:09 AM »

Yeah, I noticed that, hence my post. I always thought the current CA-26 was a much older route than 1964.

SimMoonXP · « **Reply #62 on:** April 30, 2011, 04:01:16 AM »

For Quillz: I have one question for you. It is possible for you can make a list of your Thomas Bros mapbooks here?

Quillz · « **Reply #63 on:** April 30, 2011, 04:31:10 AM »

I don't have that many, actually. LA/Ventura Counties from 1998, San Bernardino/Riverside Counties from 2004 and a state-wide guide from 2007. I do have one older guide from 1987 but I can't find it at the moment.

DTComposer · « **Reply #64 on:** April 30, 2011, 04:37:19 AM »

Quote from: Quillz on April 30, 2011, 03:24:09 AM

Yeah, I noticed that, hence my post. I always thought the current CA-26 was a much older route than 1964.

CA-26 was originally CA-6 (to fall in line with the 2-6-10-14-18-22-26 numbering as discussed in a recent thread), but was renumbered fairly quickly when US-6 was assigned (the original CA-26 (Bolsa Ave/1st Street) was probably never signed in the field).

Steve · « **Reply #65 on:** April 30, 2011, 02:45:29 PM »

San Diego: Since CA 163 freeway was partly US 395, why didn't I-15 follow it but instead end up on a new alignment?

Bigmikelakers · « **Reply #66 on:** April 30, 2011, 02:53:37 PM »

Quote from: AlpsROADS on April 30, 2011, 02:45:29 PM

San Diego: Since CA 163 freeway was partly US 395, why didn't I-15 follow it but instead end up on a new alignment?

I think the 163 is not up to Interstate standards especially south of I-8. Maybe thats a factor. I'm not sure though.

Steve · « **Reply #67 on:** April 30, 2011, 03:08:03 PM »

Quote from: Bigmikelakers on April 30, 2011, 02:53:37 PM

Quote from: AlpsROADS on April 30, 2011, 02:45:29 PM
San Diego: Since CA 163 freeway was partly US 395, why didn't I-15 follow it but instead end up on a new alignment?

I think the 163 is not up to Interstate standards especially south of I-8. Maybe thats a factor. I'm not sure though.

I would say, this being the 1950s or early 60s, it would be a lot cheaper to upgrade an existing freeway with room inside the ROW than to build a whole new one. You might make a different decision now after the precedents of the late 1960s freeway revolts and EPA legislation of the 1970s.

Bigmikelakers · « **Reply #68 on:** April 30, 2011, 03:18:04 PM »

I think it would have been nearly impossible to widen 163 through Balboa Park due to the opposition. It would be like widening the Pasadena Freeway between downtown and Pasadena.

SimMoonXP · « **Reply #69 on:** April 30, 2011, 05:08:22 PM »

Roadmapfan66 · « **Reply #70 on:** April 30, 2011, 05:47:24 PM »

I would assume that you dont have any old Automobile Club of Southern California maps in your collection, Sim Moon XP? Those are harder to get and to post here, Morro Bay is the town I lived in since 1995. Do you have any Thomas Bros. Maps of the Pheonix, AZ area and of Portland, OR? Dating back to the 1960s and 1970s? Just wondering if your collections has old ACSC maps too like i do, I have one that dates back to the last 1950s for the Los Angeles County and Vicinity map. I can remember when Interstate 5 was U.S. 99 with bold red double lines running up from the Kern County boundary to Bakersfield. But I need a source where I can see them, etc. LA County no exceptions. --- SCP

Roadmapfan66 · « **Reply #71 on:** April 30, 2011, 05:56:46 PM »

Quote from: Roadmapfan66 on April 30, 2011, 05:47:24 PM

I would assume that you dont have any old Automobile Club of Southern California maps in your collection, Sim Moon XP? Those are harder to get and to post here, Morro Bay is the town I lived in since 1995. Do you have any Thomas Bros. Maps of the Pheonix, AZ area and of Portland, OR? Dating back to the 1960s and 1970s? Just wondering if your collections has old ACSC maps too like i do, I have one that dates back to the last 1950s for the Los Angeles County and Vicinity map. I can remember when Interstate 5 was U.S. 99 with bold red double lines running up from the Kern County boundary to Bakersfield. But I need a source where I can see them, etc. LA County no exceptions. --- SCP

Also I want to point out my friend Richard who lives in my neighborhood thinks that U.S. 6 was co-signed with U.S. 99 all the way up to Gorman and the Grapevine Pass area, by taking a reverse N route through Solemint, Acton, Palmdale and Lancaster, he is wrong because Interstate 5 took over that section of U.S. 99 by 1966 and beyond. I dont know where he gets this crazy idea, it sounds a bit far fetched doesnt it?

Scott Presnal

hm insulators · « **Reply #72 on:** April 30, 2011, 06:08:45 PM »

Bigmikelakers and SimMoon XP, cool maps! Thank you for posting those; I thoroughly enjoyed them!

Could either one of you post 1940s, '50s and early '60s pages showing the Glendora/San Dimas/Laverne area (I was born in Glendora) and La Canada Flintridge (I was raised there)?

Bigmikelakers · « **Reply #73 on:** April 30, 2011, 10:08:26 PM »

Quote from: hm insulators on April 30, 2011, 06:08:45 PM

Bigmikelakers and SimMoon XP, cool maps! Thank you for posting those; I thoroughly enjoyed them!

Could either one of you post 1940s, '50s and early '60s pages showing the Glendora/San Dimas/Laverne area (I was born in Glendora) and La Canada Flintridge (I was raised there)?

Here's La Canada from my 1947 Thomas Guide. I would have posted Glendora/San Dimas/La Verne but, that area isn't included in the book.

DTComposer · « **Reply #74 on:** May 01, 2011, 12:42:22 PM »

Quote from: hm insulators on April 30, 2011, 06:08:45 PM

Could either one of you post 1940s, '50s and early '60s pages showing the Glendora/San Dimas/Laverne area (I was born in Glendora) and La Canada Flintridge (I was raised there)?

Here they are from 1959:

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