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[Darkchylde]

The number 13 + Las Vegas = ?

Division by zero.

[kkt]

The number 13 + Las Vegas = ?

An added advantage to numbering it I-13!

[texaskdog]

Surprised a Las Vegas freeway isnt I-777

[texaskdog]

Wouldn't I-13 fit the grid better?  The north-south interstates, starting with I-5, would be:

• I-5 existing
• I-7 (future upgrade of US-97, from Weed through Bend to Wenatchee)
• I-9 (future upgrade of CA-99 from Grapevine through Sacramento to Red Bluff)
• I-11 (future upgrade of CA-14 to US-395 to Reno)
• I-13 (future upgrade of US-93, Phoenix to Las Vegas, possibly north to Twin Falls)

I-15 south of Las Vegas would still be too far west, but at least the rest of them would fit.

I still think southwest of I-15 hitting I-70 it should be I-70.  I believe most of the traffic heading northeast is going to be heading east instead of north. 

[national highway 1]

Not really, I-15 inherited its major, x5, odd designation from the fact it absorbed much of the north-south US 91 and later, the southern end of US 395. (What would be the point of I-70 meeting I-40 in Barstow and I-10 in Ontario, CA? )

[Scott5114]

Anyway, regarding the 15/13 thing, Las Vegas would probably fight the 13 number as hard as it could—you and I know it's a stupid objection, but to some degree casinos cater to the stupid. Working at a casino, I can definitely imagine what would happen if the road out front was designated as OK-13. Casino patrons are serious about their "luck". (There was one guy who insisted that one particular housekeeper continue to vacuum the same square of carpet over and over for hours because she was "lucky" and he won when she was nearby. Correlation does not imply causation, dumbfuck!)

[roadfro]

Anyway, regarding the 15/13 thing, Las Vegas would probably fight the 13 number as hard as it could—you and I know it's a stupid objection, but to some degree casinos cater to the stupid. Working at a casino, I can definitely imagine what would happen if the road out front was designated as OK-13. Casino patrons are serious about their "luck". (There was one guy who insisted that one particular housekeeper continue to vacuum the same square of carpet over and over for hours because she was "lucky" and he won when she was nearby. Correlation does not imply causation, dumbfuck!)

Having grown up in Vegas, I can attest that the concept of a major highway into the city carrying the number 13 would be hotly contested--the concept of I-11 seemst to have started in the Vegas area, so it's obvious why it's proposed as I-11 instead of 13.

The superstition about the number 13 is very prevalent in Vegas-area establishments. There are very few (if any) hotel-casinos with a labeled 13th floor in the hotel tower. The superstitions in Vegas and the gambling culture run very deep. (For example, many Asian tourists to Las Vegas will not stay on the 4th floor of a hotel or in a room with the number "4" in it--supposedly the pronunciation of "4" sounds similar to the pronunciation of the word for "death".)

[english si]

What about an even number - after all look at I-24 and I-26 - I-32 would be no more diagonal than those...

Not that there's anything wrong with I-11.

[Takumi]

(For example, many Asian tourists to Las Vegas will not stay on the 4th floor of a hotel or in a room with the number "4" in it--supposedly the pronunciation of "4" sounds similar to the pronunciation of the word for "death".)

That's Japanese; the word for 4 that sounds like death is shi, while there is an alternate word for 4 as well, yon.

[roadfro]

^ Should've specified *East* Asian, I guess...

What about an even number - after all look at I-24 and I-26 - I-32 would be no more diagonal than those...

Not that there's anything wrong with I-11.

There has been further talk about taking the I-11 designation further north of Las Vegas, along the US 95 corridor up to Reno and/or up along the entire stretch of 95. If such a scheme were to happen (and I think that'd be highly unlikely for at least the Nevada portions), an odd number designation would be more appropriate. Even still, the stretch of US 93 proposed to become I-11 is slightly more north-south than it is east-west.

[Interstate Trav]

Does anyone think I-11 will actually ever become a reality?

I wonder if it would be like I-15 on Friday afternoons headed to Las Vegas, major traffic problems as everyone in the Phoenix area heading to Las Vegas for the weekend,  just like on I-15 when everyone in Southern California, it seems like is headed to Las Vegas on I-15

[roadfro]

I think there is sufficient momentum to get a continuous Interstate corridor between Las Vegas and Phoenix, it will just be several years down the road. Extending I-11 (or whatever the number ends up being) further north in Nevada is much more unlikely.

[Scott5114]

Anyway, regarding the 15/13 thing, Las Vegas would probably fight the 13 number as hard as it could—you and I know it's a stupid objection, but to some degree casinos cater to the stupid. Working at a casino, I can definitely imagine what would happen if the road out front was designated as OK-13. Casino patrons are serious about their "luck". (There was one guy who insisted that one particular housekeeper continue to vacuum the same square of carpet over and over for hours because she was "lucky" and he won when she was nearby. Correlation does not imply causation, dumbfuck!)

Having grown up in Vegas, I can attest that the concept of a major highway into the city carrying the number 13 would be hotly contested--the concept of I-11 seemst to have started in the Vegas area, so it's obvious why it's proposed as I-11 instead of 13.

The superstition about the number 13 is very prevalent in Vegas-area establishments. There are very few (if any) hotel-casinos with a labeled 13th floor in the hotel tower. The superstitions in Vegas and the gambling culture run very deep. (For example, many Asian tourists to Las Vegas will not stay on the 4th floor of a hotel or in a room with the number "4" in it--supposedly the pronunciation of "4" sounds similar to the pronunciation of the word for "death".)

I think the 13th floor thing is more widespread than just Vegas. I've heard of many tall buildings where either the floor numbering goes from 12 to 14, or the 13th floor is not rentable/usable space (elevator machinery, storage, etc.) accessible only by stairwell.

One other interesting casino superstition I don't understand at all is the phobia of $50 bills. Casinos don't even bother stocking them; if you go to cash chips or slot vouchers out and request $50s you just get a blank look from the cashier. Although some cashiers try to use this to their advantage... I know one who, if she gets a $50 from someone wanting change, likes to slip it at the tail end of a jackpot for an amount like $1,950, in the hopes that the winner will grab the "unlucky" $50 and give it back to the floor attendant as a tip!

[Brandon]

Surprised a Las Vegas freeway isnt I-777

Don't give Harry Reid, or anyone else from the Nevada delegation, any Bud Schuster-esque ideas!

[Brandon]

(For example, many Asian tourists to Las Vegas will not stay on the 4th floor of a hotel or in a room with the number "4" in it--supposedly the pronunciation of "4" sounds similar to the pronunciation of the word for "death".)

That's Japanese; the word for 4 that sounds like death is shi, while there is an alternate word for 4 as well, yon.

IIRC, it has something to do with Chinese numerology as opposed to the sound of the word.  44 is worse than 4, and 444 is even worse.

[Bickendan]

With that in mind, several Asiatic groups place stock in 82nd Ave in Portland, because 8+2=10. Imagine for a moment if Portland had I-82 instead of I-84.

[national highway 1]

Actually it's because 8 (八, baat) is phonologically similar to (發, faat) which means 'prosperous' in Cantonese.
And 2 (二, yi) is similar to (易, yi), which means 'easy'
Therefore any combination with 2 and 8 means 'easy to get rich'.

(BTW, I am actually of Chinese descent)

[hm insulators]

Anyway, regarding the 15/13 thing, Las Vegas would probably fight the 13 number as hard as it could—you and I know it's a stupid objection, but to some degree casinos cater to the stupid. Working at a casino, I can definitely imagine what would happen if the road out front was designated as OK-13. Casino patrons are serious about their "luck". (There was one guy who insisted that one particular housekeeper continue to vacuum the same square of carpet over and over for hours because she was "lucky" and he won when she was nearby. Correlation does not imply causation, dumbfuck!)

Having grown up in Vegas, I can attest that the concept of a major highway into the city carrying the number 13 would be hotly contested--the concept of I-11 seemst to have started in the Vegas area, so it's obvious why it's proposed as I-11 instead of 13.

The superstition about the number 13 is very prevalent in Vegas-area establishments. There are very few (if any) hotel-casinos with a labeled 13th floor in the hotel tower. The superstitions in Vegas and the gambling culture run very deep. (For example, many Asian tourists to Las Vegas will not stay on the 4th floor of a hotel or in a room with the number "4" in it--supposedly the pronunciation of "4" sounds similar to the pronunciation of the word for "death".)

I think the 13th floor thing is more widespread than just Vegas. I've heard of many tall buildings where either the floor numbering goes from 12 to 14, or the 13th floor is not rentable/usable space (elevator machinery, storage, etc.) accessible only by stairwell.

The apartment house I live in doesn't have an Apartment 13.

[elsmere241]

(For example, many Asian tourists to Las Vegas will not stay on the 4th floor of a hotel or in a room with the number "4" in it--supposedly the pronunciation of "4" sounds similar to the pronunciation of the word for "death".)

That's Japanese; the word for 4 that sounds like death is shi, while there is an alternate word for 4 as well, yon.

IIRC, it has something to do with Chinese numerology as opposed to the sound of the word.  44 is worse than 4, and 444 is even worse.

Every so often at the county GIS office where I work, we get a call from a Chinese-American who has bought a house with the number 44, wanting us to change the number.  (And invariably, this resident will have 42 on one side and 46 on the other.)

[Interstate Trav]

It seems like I-11 still might gain traction, but I'm guessing is decades away. 

[The High Plains Traveler]

Surprised a Las Vegas freeway isnt I-777

When the Nevada area code which formerly covered the entire state (702) was scheduled to be divided because of population growth in southern Nevada, some lobbied for area code 777. NANPA (North American Numbering Plan Administration) denied this because it is reserving identical-digit area codes, but did allow 775.

[vdeane]

What are they reserving them for?

[Duke87]

I think the 13th floor thing is more widespread than just Vegas. I've heard of many tall buildings where either the floor numbering goes from 12 to 14, or the 13th floor is not rentable/usable space (elevator machinery, storage, etc.) accessible only by stairwell.

Indeed, any apartment building in New York City is virtually guaranteed to have no 13th floor. Most office buildings won't, either, although the one I work in actually does. Making 13 a mechanical floor is something you do see on occasion although in my experience it isn't terribly common.

You can also fudge it without skipping it, as the folks who designed this building did:

[The High Plains Traveler]

What are they reserving them for?

NANPA has reserved a number of special combinations, including nxx codes for...something special. Toll free are in this category, but they're setting aside other code combinations as well for uses not currently identified. Keep in mind that in the 90s-00s, there were a lot of new local exchanges created, which in turn exhausted area codes probably earlier than the actual number of phone numbers assigned would have technically created.  So, certain types of combinations are set aside for future uses. Since that time, the number of new exchanges assigned have decreased dramatically.

As an exercise, try to figure out why no area codes have the second digit "9". 

[agentsteel53]

As an exercise, try to figure out why no area codes have the second digit "9".

okay, google was no help.  I'll bite.

my only guess is that having middle digit "9" would cause more people to accidentally dial "999", which is an emergency number in some places that use the North American area code system (Jamaica?)