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Author Topic: CA-110 Parkway  (Read 1376 times)

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CA-110 Parkway
« on: July 01, 2011, 09:50:47 PM »

Is this something new? Today, I was on I-5 southbound and US-101 northbound, and both times they intersected with CA-110, it was referred to as a "Pkwy," rather than a freeway. The US-101 junction was notable because I-110 was a freeway, while CA-110 was not.

Is this something new? And if so, does it imply Caltrans has some kind of official definition of a parkway now?
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Re: CA-110 Parkway
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2011, 10:04:21 PM »

No, it is not new.  "Parkway" appears on signs on I-5 and US 101 because Caltrans is reviving the Arroyo Seco Parkway name for Calif. 110 between the Four Level and Pasadena.  These message revisions were part of the Calif. 110 sign rehabilitation.  "Parkway" has no official standing; it is just what Los Angeles freeways used to be called until the mid-1950's.  Before it became the Hollywood Freeway, US 101 was the Hollywood Parkway; the Santa Ana Freeway used to be the Santa Ana Parkway; the Harbor Freeway was once the Harbor Parkway too.  These "parkways" were all declared freeways under the California access-control statute in the same way as other California freeways.
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Re: CA-110 Parkway
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2011, 10:49:52 PM »

"Parkway" is also used for a freeway up here in Northern California -- CA 87 in San Jose is signed as the "Guadalupe Parkway," referencing both the adjacent Guadalupe River and the surface street Guadalupe Parkway that the norther portion of the freeway mostly replaced.
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Re: CA-110 Parkway
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2011, 02:12:19 AM »

I understood the use of Parkway because of the few signs that actually spell out Arroyo Seco Parkway. But I wonder, though, that by using Parkway instead of Freeway that they're also mentally preparing drivers for a less-than-modern freeway experience (narrower lanes, tighter curves, no shoulders, short exit/entrance ramps) on CA-110?
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Re: CA-110 Parkway
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2011, 06:56:34 PM »

No, it is not new.  "Parkway" appears on signs on I-5 and US 101 because Caltrans is reviving the Arroyo Seco Parkway name for Calif. 110 between the Four Level and Pasadena.  These message revisions were part of the Calif. 110 sign rehabilitation.  "Parkway" has no official standing; it is just what Los Angeles freeways used to be called until the mid-1950's.  Before it became the Hollywood Freeway, US 101 was the Hollywood Parkway; the Santa Ana Freeway used to be the Santa Ana Parkway; the Harbor Freeway was once the Harbor Parkway too.  These "parkways" were all declared freeways under the California access-control statute in the same way as other California freeways.

The lack of trucks on the Arroyo Seco Parkway (Pasadena Freeway) though does fall in line with how that term is used elsewhere (particularly in the pioneering example of New York).

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But I wonder, though, that by using Parkway instead of Freeway that they're also mentally preparing drivers for a less-than-modern freeway experience (narrower lanes, tighter curves, no shoulders, short exit/entrance ramps) on CA-110?

Interestingly, when the route was given that name in 1943 (before the Pasadena Freeway name was primarily used from the 1950s until last year)...it was originally open to all traffic.  Today it does have the implication of an older, truck-unfriendly route, but I think at its construction "parkway" was the term available to describe a limited-access road - what is now I-10 was built as the "Ramona Parkway" a few years later.  I think "freeway" came about in common usage in California ca. 1947 or so...
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Re: CA-110 Parkway
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2011, 11:19:55 AM »

Interestingly, when the route was given that name in 1943 (before the Pasadena Freeway name was primarily used from the 1950s until last year)...it was originally open to all traffic.  Today it does have the implication of an older, truck-unfriendly route, but I think at its construction "parkway" was the term available to describe a limited-access road - what is now I-10 was built as the "Ramona Parkway" a few years later.  I think "freeway" came about in common usage in California ca. 1947 or so...

Actually, the term freeway has been around since 1930 and the California Division of Highways was using that word in relation to freeway designations from the very beginning.  But it was actually the City of Los Angeles that started the Arroyo Seco Parkway project (some of the early grading contracts were actually city contracts) and I think "parkway" early on became the usual term for city-planned express highways.  In the case of the Arroyo Seco specifically, it was also planned as part of a linear park.

Although the state Division of Highways had responsibility for freeway construction in Los Angeles from the late 1930's, "parkway" continued to be used for state projects until at least 1951.  The City of Los Angeles engineering vault has sewer records for the Hollywood Parkway dating from that year, for example.  This late change in usage is one reason you have to search under "parkway" and "freeway" to find construction records for the original Los Angeles freeways.
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