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Re: State Route Oddities
« Reply #125 on: November 19, 2011, 02:21:47 AM »

-Two state roads are partially brick roads (SR 526 and SR 15 both in Orlando)
SR 15 is a brick one-way pair. Where's the brick on SR 526?

Between US 17/92/441 and Hughey Street. Or, it used to be. I recently went out and saw why you asked.
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Re: State Route Oddities
« Reply #126 on: November 19, 2011, 02:49:28 AM »

As much as I like an orderly state route grid, I also like systems that are seemingly thrown together haphazardly. Some states just number their highways in the order they are created, with no regards given to orientation, length or importance. And I kind of like that.
You'd be happy in New England.
Even happier in Kentucky (despite the initial grid).
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Re: State Route Oddities
« Reply #127 on: November 19, 2011, 11:00:47 AM »

As much as I like an orderly state route grid, I also like systems that are seemingly thrown together haphazardly. Some states just number their highways in the order they are created, with no regards given to orientation, length or importance. And I kind of like that.

I think that's why Ohio has so few "oddities" — it has no strict grid or pattern to break.  Though I suppose credit is also due for not having discontinuous routes like many other states…

With the exception of OH 152 with a gap between US 22 in Bloomingdale and OH 151 in Smithfield.
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Re: State Route Oddities
« Reply #128 on: November 23, 2011, 01:03:50 AM »

1926 beaver county does nor anything for route 65.  
ftp://ftp.dot.state.pa.us/public/pdf/BPR_PDF_FILES/Maps/Type_10_GHS_Historical_Scans/Beaver_1926.pdf
in fact it appears that it has not been built yet.

1941 Beaver County Map does list it as SR 0088.

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1961 Beaver County Map shows PA 65


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1958 lawrence county map has it lists it as PA 88.

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PA 88 wasn't extended to New Castle until 1936, but before that was signed on Perry Highway north of Pittsburgh.
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Re: State Route Oddities
« Reply #129 on: November 23, 2011, 04:10:13 PM »

Technically, these aren't state routes.  They're federal routes.  But they're in my state, and they're routes!

I-135 has always bugged me.  It runs about 96 miles from Salina to Wichita.  About 95.5 miles of that is concurrent with US-81.  Yes, HALF A MILE of it stands alone as an interstate, from the 47th Street exit to the Turnpike.
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Re: State Route Oddities
« Reply #130 on: November 24, 2011, 03:46:54 AM »

Technically, these aren't state routes.  They're federal routes.  But they're in my state, and they're routes!

I-135 has always bugged me.  It runs about 96 miles from Salina to Wichita.  About 95.5 miles of that is concurrent with US-81.  Yes, HALF A MILE of it stands alone as an interstate, from the 47th Street exit to the Turnpike.
My only guess is it comes down to brand recognition. Motorists feel more comfortable on an interstate than a US route, because they KNOW an interstate is built to freeway standards, whereas US-81, for its majority, is not built to freeway standards.

Perfect example: I-99. Does any portion of it currently exist outside the US-220 concurrency?
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Re: State Route Oddities
« Reply #131 on: November 24, 2011, 03:57:22 AM »

Not at all, though US 220 should really just move back to the old road (all state-maintained, parts signed as Business 220). I discovered that Maine Route 100 has a few blocks in Portland on its own and is otherwise completely concurrent with other routes. It's obviously an overlay designation to create a single number to Bangor, albeit a very messy one to follow.
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Re: State Route Oddities
« Reply #132 on: December 26, 2011, 11:03:12 PM »

There were once two separate VA 13's at the same time, along with US 13. The VA 13 that still exists today is essentially the original VA 13, although it was only US 60 from 1933-35. When US 60 was put on its modern alignment in 1935, the road inexplicably became VA 13 again. According to the VHP, the VA 13 signs could have still been up from 1933. I've always thought the road should have been numbered 12 instead, as VA 12 was briefly available in 1935 (when the 1933 VA 12 became part of US 220) but was recycled in 1936 when it was used on most of VA's current US 340. Even then, that VA 12 only lasted until 1954. So the state has had nearly 60 years to do a simple number swap.

Oh, and that other VA 13 I mentioned existed from 1938-1944, when it became US 13 in the Tidewater and points south. The US route number "extension" is a pretty common thing in VA, as many US routes that ended here have or had the number continue as a state primary route. VA 121 and VA/WV 311 are left over from when those US routes existed near them. US and VA 33 were both created from VA 4 at the time, though US 250's creation from VA 5 west of Richmond didn't warrant the eastern half of VA 5 becoming VA 250 for whatever reason (although US/VA 33 appeared 3 years after US 250).
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Re: State Route Oddities
« Reply #133 on: December 27, 2011, 12:01:38 AM »

BUS MN 371 is the only business route that's a trunk highway.
U.S. 2 Business at East Grand Forks.
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Re: State Route Oddities
« Reply #134 on: December 27, 2011, 02:11:11 AM »

I-135 has always bugged me.  It runs about 96 miles from Salina to Wichita.  About 95.5 miles of that is concurrent with US-81.  Yes, HALF A MILE of it stands alone as an interstate, from the 47th Street exit to the Turnpike.

I don't supposed you haven't noticed most of the interstates in Kansas off of the Turnpike have a US highway concurrency. I-70 and US 40 are paired most of the way across Kansas (and US 24 is in the mix on both sides of the state line). I-35 and US 50 stay together from Emporia to Kansas City. Oh yeah, I-235 was once co-designated "Bypass US 81"
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Re: State Route Oddities
« Reply #135 on: December 27, 2011, 08:15:36 AM »

Next time I'm near Durand, Illinois (God only knows when that will be), I will have to take a clear picture of the END sign of Illinois Route 70.  The sign isn't where maps say the route ends and even Wikipedia mentions that IL-70 ends at the intersection with IL-75.  However, the END sign is about 1-mile beyond IL-75 in the village center (corner of Center St & Oak St).

You can actually see it here on StreetView.  The END IL-70 sign is right in front of the blue car at the car dealership lot:  http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Durand,+IL&hl=en&ll=42.435537,-89.330907&spn=0.002284,0.003449&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=40.052282,56.513672&vpsrc=6&hnear=Durand,+Winnebago,+Illinois&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=42.435432,-89.331925&panoid=W3Hm8uAlTxEThWJvYjN25w&cbp=12,4.49,,0,2.55
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Re: State Route Oddities
« Reply #136 on: December 27, 2011, 12:06:39 PM »

VA 360's another weird one. It was US 360 until 1984, when US 360 was rerouted to run to Danville via its current route through South Boston instead of the more curvy Halifax route. Why they kept it numbered 360 instead of changing it to 344 (which is at the same intersection) makes no sense.
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Re: State Route Oddities
« Reply #137 on: December 27, 2011, 12:08:27 PM »

There were once two separate VA 13's at the same time, along with US 13. The VA 13 that still exists today is essentially the original VA 13, although it was only US 60 from 1933-35. When US 60 was put on its modern alignment in 1935, the road inexplicably became VA 13 again. According to the VHP, the VA 13 signs could have still been up from 1933. I've always thought the road should have been numbered 12 instead, as VA 12 was briefly available in 1935 (when the 1933 VA 12 became part of US 220) but was recycled in 1936 when it was used on most of VA's current US 340. Even then, that VA 12 only lasted until 1954. So the state has had nearly 60 years to do a simple number swap.


I haven't revamped the VA 13 page yet, but I have found where what is now US 60 between VA 13's eastern end and where they used to intersect again a little east of US 522 (removed when 60 was widened in the 1970s) was placed into the primary system in the Dec 1934 CTB.  It makes no mention whether US 60 bypassed Powhatan CH starting then and what the old route (actually referred to as Old route 13) became VA 13 then.  I think my theory about VA 13 signs still up thus the designation is valid...

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Re: State Route Oddities
« Reply #138 on: December 27, 2011, 01:02:31 PM »

I think I know where that is. There's a short section where the two routes very closely parallel each other, to the point that there's a gas station that has an entrance from both. When I traveled VA 13 in February I was almost out of daylight, so I want to take a more detailed trip down it next year.
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Re: State Route Oddities
« Reply #139 on: December 27, 2011, 08:14:18 PM »

Technically, these aren't state routes.  They're federal routes.  But they're in my state, and they're routes!

I-135 has always bugged me.  It runs about 96 miles from Salina to Wichita.  About 95.5 miles of that is concurrent with US-81.  Yes, HALF A MILE of it stands alone as an interstate, from the 47th Street exit to the Turnpike.

Actually, technically they are state routes. KDOT maintains them. :P There is no such thing as a "federal route".
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Re: State Route Oddities
« Reply #140 on: December 27, 2011, 09:24:41 PM »

How about FL 44 in New Smyrna Beach, FL?  It has a mainline and a Business route, but both go through the city's downtown area.  The east end of Business SR 44 is in the business district where its parent comes in and takes over.

Then FL 44 itself is an oddity as it goes completely across the Florida Penisula what usually even number routes ending in "0" do. Plus, it is signed as two segments, but it is silently multiplexed with US 441 from Leesburg to Mt. Dora and has a Lake County Route 44 from East of Leesburg to FL 19 in Eustis.

FL A1A is one as it is in many segments all, but two that actually loop back to US 1.  Plus it has two letters in its designation.  To avoid an actual SR 1 to confuse with US 1, FDOT decided to call it A-1-A instead as trying to keep a grid similar to the US numbering scheme by having the lowest odd number to the east.

Then FL 535 is called a "State Road" in Lake Buena Vista, FL even where Orange County maintains it.  Usually all FL highways are shielded with blue and gold county route markers where FDOT is not maintaining it.   Here you will find FL 535 shields from I-4 to Winter Garden- Vineland Road where State Maintainence ends at I-4 and has a small black on white sign to inform motorists there. FL 527 is that in Downtown Orlando, but city maintained and FDOT does let Orlando keep the road signed as SR 527.

FL 527 in Orlando, is not signed along NB Rosalind Avenue where SB FL 527 is Orange Avenue.  On US 17, US 92, and FL 50 (Colonial Drive) there is no NB FL 527 shield at Magnolia Avenue (NB 527 at this location), but signed for SB FL 527 at Orange Avenue its counterpart one block west. 

US 17, 92, and 441 is only shielded as US 441 from Central Florida Parkway in Southern Orange County, FL.

FL 482 is signed as both ways  as East and West off of Exit 74A on I-4 when it does not even go west of I-4.

FL 438 is signed both ways (East and West) on US 441, though technically ends one block east at Princeton and Rio Grande, should really not be for that short distance.  In my opinion FL 438 should continue on Princeton ( WB on Smith Street where Princeton is one way EB) all the way to US 17/ US 92.

On US 1 in our Nation's Capital, there is a no left turn sign where US 1 turns left from Constitution Avenue to SW 14th Street.  So following US 1 SB here is illegal.  However, a TO US 1 assembly lies on SW 7th Street directing through US 1 SB motorists through the 7th Street Tunnel to I-395 SB back to US 1 at the 14th Street Bridge.  (US 1 is like a state route in DC as Washington is like a state almost).
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Re: State Route Oddities
« Reply #141 on: December 27, 2011, 09:49:11 PM »

FL 527 in Orlando, is not signed along NB Rosalind Avenue where SB FL 527 is Orange Avenue.  On US 17, US 92, and FL 50 (Colonial Drive) there is no NB FL 527 shield at Magnolia Avenue (NB 527 at this location), but signed for SB FL 527 at Orange Avenue its counterpart one block west. 
Just a random missing sign(s). SR 527 is signed both ways on South.

FDOT was lazy, however, on SR 526, when northbound SR 527 moved - heading westbound, you see JCT SR 527 at Magnolia rather than Rosalind.

On US 1 in our Nation's Capital, there is a no left turn sign where US 1 turns left from Constitution Avenue to SW 14th Street.  So following US 1 SB here is illegal.
US 1 turns left at 15th.
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Re: State Route Oddities
« Reply #142 on: December 27, 2011, 10:05:28 PM »

There is no such thing as a "federal route".

Depends on which viatologist you ask.  :ded:
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Re: State Route Oddities
« Reply #143 on: December 27, 2011, 11:41:18 PM »

Colorado has a number of discontinuous state routes. These generally arose when segments of routes established in the 1930s-50s were relinquished to local governments. As an example, there are four distinct segments of CO-67 if you treat the segments connected by U.S.24 as different (Colorado does on its route log). The other segments are separated by county-maintained roads.

Because each segment of state highway has only one designation on the official log, Colorado considers highways with concurrent designated routes to have the designation of the highest-ranking highway (Interstate, U.S., state) or the route with the lowest number. Each broken segment is shown in the route log with a numeric/alpha designation. So, U.S. 50 is not recognized as a distinct route entering the state from the west because of its concurrencies with I-70, U.S. 6, and business loop I-70, until it separates from I-70 business loop in Grand Junction; then it is SR-50A from there east to Pueblo. Then, it has a short concurrency with I-25, so the route continui9ng east to Kansas is SR-50B. Business 50 near Pueblo is SR-50C, while the westbound street that forms the one-way pair with U.S. 50 east in Rocky Ford is SR-50D.

Furthermore, it is relatively uncommon for Colorado to post concurrent routes. U.S. 85 is not posted anywhere along its concurrencies with I-25, and U.S.87 is not posted at all (status of the lone sign in Denver is unknown).

All this leads to why it is impossible to follow some U.S. routes in Colorado without backtracking. I know of gaps in U.S. 24, 40, 85 and 87 where the designated state route ends without the ability to follow the route onto the adjoining interstate. Not sure about U.S. 6 - there is a definite spur (not marked as such, just as U.S. 6) on the west end of Glenwood Springs that ends in a dead-end frontage road. Matt Salek's web site indicates this is a "Spur U.S. 6" but all the local signage would lead me to believe I was following U.S. 6. Right up to a sign that reads something like "West [I-70] [U.S. 6] U-turn 500 feet".

In other words, segments of U.S. routes parallel to interstates are treated as state routes that can begin and end at will. The U.S. designation is carried for convenience.
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Re: State Route Oddities
« Reply #144 on: December 28, 2011, 05:43:42 PM »

How about FL 44 in New Smyrna Beach, FL?  It has a mainline and a Business route, but both go through the city's downtown area.  The east end of Business SR 44 is in the business district where its parent comes in and takes over.

I'll do you one better.  US 62 and US 62 Business not only both pass through downtown Niagara Falls, but they are only a block apart!
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Re: State Route Oddities
« Reply #145 on: December 28, 2011, 06:10:35 PM »

Just south of Hinckley, OH, SR-606 acts as a "helix" route in an interesting kind of way:

Heading Northeast on SR-606, the route begins at SR-3, then crosses the SR-3/SR-94 Multiplex and ends at SR-94 (and its brief multiplex with SR-303).  Going Southwest, you start at SR-94, cross the SR-3/SR-94 multiplex, and end up at SR-3. 

All of this happens in under a five-mile stretch.

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Re: State Route Oddities
« Reply #146 on: December 30, 2011, 01:11:49 PM »

How about FL 44 in New Smyrna Beach, FL?  It has a mainline and a Business route, but both go through the city's downtown area.  The east end of Business SR 44 is in the business district where its parent comes in and takes over.

I'll do you one better.  US 62 and US 62 Business not only both pass through downtown Niagara Falls, but they are only a block apart!
Then there's the concurrency in Downtown Nashville between U.S. 41 and U.S. 41A. Not  to mention up the road in Clarksville where there exists what would  be a double bannered route if Tennessee used the Alternate sign rather than the "A" suffix- Bypass U.S. 41A.
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Re: State Route Oddities
« Reply #147 on: December 30, 2011, 04:38:11 PM »

Then there's the concurrency in Downtown Nashville between U.S. 41 and U.S. 41A. Not  to mention up the road in Clarksville where there exists what would  be a double bannered route if Tennessee used the Alternate sign rather than the "A" suffix- Bypass U.S. 41A.

Also in Nashville: US 70 and US 70S concurrent for several blocks!
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Re: State Route Oddities
« Reply #148 on: January 01, 2012, 05:18:35 PM »

Also in Florida, FL 435 (Kirkman Rd) and CR 435 (Apopka-Vineland Rd) run parallel to each other in the Orlando area
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« Reply #149 on: January 01, 2012, 05:37:20 PM »

Apopka-Vineland (south of SR 50) is not CR 435 in any practical way. There used to be signs at the south end marking it, but those are now gone, and I doubt there were ever signs north of Vineland.
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