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Author Topic: Non-freeways that feel like freeways  (Read 6873 times)

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Re: Non-freeways that feel like freeways
« Reply #50 on: October 27, 2011, 08:14:00 PM »

A few I've driven on this year:
VA 33 between West Point and Saluda
US 17 north of Saluda (ties into the VA 33 segment)
US 360 west of Skinquarter (particularly between Skinquarter and the Chesterfield-Amelia line, which has only one intersection and really not much of anything)
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How about US 301 through Fort AP Hill?
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Re: Non-freeways that feel like freeways
« Reply #51 on: October 27, 2011, 08:20:03 PM »

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Re: Non-freeways that feel like freeways
« Reply #52 on: October 27, 2011, 10:48:42 PM »

I have, and I'd definitely add that to the list. It's also one of the most boring drives in Virginia.
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Re: Non-freeways that feel like freeways
« Reply #53 on: October 27, 2011, 11:18:05 PM »

Well, considering what I-95 is like through the area (cue the fields with the billboards a mile away) I'm not surprised.
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Re: Non-freeways that feel like freeways
« Reply #54 on: October 29, 2011, 11:01:05 PM »

NY 304 in Pearl River-New City - Havestraw NY
Perhaps because it was planned to be upgraded into a freeway. So were parts of NY 59. In fact you could say that about some of the Suffolk County Roads built during the 1960's and 1970's.


US 19 & 98  between Crystal River and Chiefland.  US 19, US 98, Alt. US 27 from Cross City to Perry.  US 19 & 27 from Perry to Capps.
US 19 & 98 between Lebanon Junction and Chiefland is a lot like William Floyd Parkway north of Whiskey Road, if William Floyd Parkway were a little more tropical.

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Re: Non-freeways that feel like freeways
« Reply #55 on: October 29, 2011, 11:59:08 PM »

NY 304 in Pearl River-New City - Havestraw NY
Perhaps because it was planned to be upgraded into a freeway.
Or perhaps because... it is a freeway.
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Re: Non-freeways that feel like freeways
« Reply #56 on: October 30, 2011, 02:15:48 AM »

NY 304 in Pearl River-New City - Havestraw NY
Perhaps because it was planned to be upgraded into a freeway.
Or perhaps because... it is a freeway.

Not really, there are only two partial interchanges, it is more of a bypass
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Re: Non-freeways that feel like freeways
« Reply #57 on: October 30, 2011, 10:42:19 AM »

I'd call it a freeway.
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Re: Non-freeways that feel like freeways
« Reply #58 on: October 30, 2011, 10:47:35 AM »

NY 304 in Pearl River-New City - Havestraw NY
Perhaps because it was planned to be upgraded into a freeway. So were parts of NY 59. In fact you could say that about some of the Suffolk County Roads built during the 1960's and 1970's.


US 19 & 98  between Crystal River and Chiefland.  US 19, US 98, Alt. US 27 from Cross City to Perry.  US 19 & 27 from Perry to Capps.
US 19 & 98 between Lebanon Junction and Chiefland is a lot like William Floyd Parkway north of Whiskey Road, if William Floyd Parkway were a little more tropical.



If I remember correctly, US 19 & 98 between those two points has a wide median with a lot of trees in it.
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Re: Non-freeways that feel like freeways
« Reply #59 on: November 06, 2011, 09:52:58 PM »

It's kind of dead out there at some points along US 19/98; they wanted to connect the original northern terminus of the Florida's Turnpike at Lebanon Station, but there still isn't much out there to this day. It doesn't need that much space, but it sure beats being stuck behind a dump truck for 30 miles on a two-laner.
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Re: Non-freeways that feel like freeways
« Reply #60 on: November 07, 2011, 10:23:47 AM »

Stoughton Road/ USH 51 in Madison is one that feels freeway'ish even in the parts with stop lights. The North Crossing/ WIS 312 in Eau Claire is another one that feels like it wants to be more then it is. 
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Re: Non-freeways that feel like freeways
« Reply #61 on: November 07, 2011, 10:57:09 PM »

US2 between grand forks and devils lake ND, only one overpass, and a lot of enterances from dirt roads.

Also McGuire Access Highway between CR 545 and the McGuire AFB main gate has only one cross road to it. it is 50mph http://maps.google.com/maps?q=mcguire+afb&hl=en&ll=40.049497,-74.616544&spn=0.008837,0.013797&client=firefox-a&hnear=McGuire+AFB,+Burlington,+New+Jersey&gl=us&sqi=2&t=h&z=16&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=40.0496,-74.616736&panoid=TvqluVIXv3r6TAa52ugCBQ&cbp=12,149.91,,0,13.72
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Re: Non-freeways that feel like freeways
« Reply #62 on: November 22, 2011, 03:28:31 PM »

The bypass around Nuevo Laredo (Piedras Negras - Mier).
It's hydraulic concrete, with a speed limit of 100 km/h and traffic flow of 100 to 110 km/h.  Even though it's only two lanes, the shoulders are intended to be used to facilitate passing, by which I mean the truck in front of you will ride the shoulder, the truck coming toward you will ride the shoulder, and you can pass right up the middle at 110 km/h.
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Re: Non-freeways that feel like freeways
« Reply #63 on: January 02, 2012, 03:16:27 PM »

If you drive down La Cienega Blvd between Rodeo Rd and Centinela Ave in Los Angeles. It is like a highway because of the 55 mph speed limit.
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Re: Non-freeways that feel like freeways
« Reply #64 on: January 13, 2012, 12:14:15 PM »

Here in Houston we have a couple of limited access roads heading into downtown from west to east.  Memorial Drive which runs north of the bayou and Allen Parkway to the south.  The area of IH 45 that runs through the Allen area interchange features alot of left exits on both sides and some interesting turns/merges.
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Re: Non-freeways that feel like freeways
« Reply #65 on: January 13, 2012, 01:00:16 PM »

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US-29 from Charlottesville to Gainesville is another; the speed limit is 60 for most of the portion between Ruckersville and Opal with one exception near Madison.

Except for the bypasses, I disagree with this one.  The tendency for one direction to be hilly (i.e. the original 1930/40s-era grading) plus the large number of driveways, especially near Opal and north of Warrenton, decidedly make it NOT feel like a freeway to me.  From the Culpeper bypass up to Remington is closer...no driveways here...but this segment still has 4 traffic signals.



I figured you'd disagree, but to me it feels no worse than many of Pennsylvania's freeways. For obvious reasons I've spent a lot of time on that part of 29 over the years, although these days we usually use the other route via Orange and Gordonsville.

I might have listed US-15 between Orange and Gordonsville except that it's just too short a segment (9 miles). In my younger and dumber days I once ran that segment in five minutes....

Any 4-lane highway that is non-limited access, which is obvious if there are any driveways and field entrances ... does not "feel like a freeway" to me.

Limited access bypasses do feel somewhat like a freeway ... such as Warrenton, Culpeper, Remington, etc.
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Re: Non-freeways that feel like freeways
« Reply #66 on: January 13, 2012, 01:38:37 PM »

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US-29 from Charlottesville to Gainesville is another; the speed limit is 60 for most of the portion between Ruckersville and Opal with one exception near Madison.

Except for the bypasses, I disagree with this one.  The tendency for one direction to be hilly (i.e. the original 1930/40s-era grading) plus the large number of driveways, especially near Opal and north of Warrenton, decidedly make it NOT feel like a freeway to me.  From the Culpeper bypass up to Remington is closer...no driveways here...but this segment still has 4 traffic signals.



I figured you'd disagree, but to me it feels no worse than many of Pennsylvania's freeways. For obvious reasons I've spent a lot of time on that part of 29 over the years, although these days we usually use the other route via Orange and Gordonsville.

I might have listed US-15 between Orange and Gordonsville except that it's just too short a segment (9 miles). In my younger and dumber days I once ran that segment in five minutes....

Any 4-lane highway that is non-limited access, which is obvious if there are any driveways and field entrances ... does not "feel like a freeway" to me.

Limited access bypasses do feel somewhat like a freeway ... such as Warrenton, Culpeper, Remington, etc.

I think part of my thinking on that one is simply because when I drove that road constantly (during my college years) there was a lot less traffic than there is now, not many people turning out onto the road, and I used to do 70 to 75 mph or more (very dumb in retrospect, but I knew where all the regular speedtraps were because I was on there so often). I seldom use that part of US-29 anymore because it's out of the way in relation to where I now live, unless I'm driving late at night in which case I use that route because of my concern about deer on VA-231 and VA-20.
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Re: Non-freeways that feel like freeways
« Reply #67 on: January 28, 2013, 07:59:38 PM »

Some of my examples are rather short compared to others in the thread:

PA 309: http://goo.gl/maps/Wgppn the 55mph speed limit, along with its 4 lane divided highway style really makes it feel like a freeway.

This 'minor' road near Center Valley, PA only has a 45 mph speed limit, but it's build as a 4 lane divided highway and it's hard to not push 60 with so much open road: http://goo.gl/maps/F65AQ

This segment of PA 145 feels much like a full freeway, with the 55 mph speed limit with 2 lanes in each direction and a grass median http://goo.gl/maps/eHl40 I believe PA 145 from US 22 to this segment would be considered an at grade expressway

FL 520 west of FL 524 is basically an at grade freeway for a good length, consisting of a 65mph speed limit with 2 lanes in each direction, and a grass median http://goo.gl/maps/5CB7L

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Re: Non-freeways that feel like freeways
« Reply #68 on: January 28, 2013, 10:28:57 PM »

The entire U.S. 41/Indiana 63 corridor from Newton County southward (not counting the vicinities of Terre Haute and Evansville) pretty much feels like one big freeway. There's hardly any traffic, a good number of non-interstate junctions are grade separated, and the speed limit is always 60 mph (standard for open, rural, 4-lane divided highways in Indiana). We used this stretch a lot during our travels to and from Tennessee when I-65 just wouldn't cut it. (This was before we discovered I-57.)

Late summer 2011, my wife and I returned from camping at Turkey Run State Park and decided to use U.S. 41 for most of the way home. I could count the number of cars I passed on the 40-mile divided highway stretch on one hand.
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Re: Non-freeways that feel like freeways
« Reply #69 on: January 28, 2013, 10:40:15 PM »

FL 520 west of FL 524 is basically an at grade freeway for a good length, consisting of a 65mph speed limit with 2 lanes in each direction, and a grass median http://goo.gl/maps/5CB7L

It used to feel like a "Super 2" back in the the mid-1990s, because the was nothing to interrupt your journey southeast from FL 528 to I-95. Plenty of traffic, but always going a good bit more than posted without feeling the need to make a pass...
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Re: Non-freeways that feel like freeways
« Reply #70 on: January 29, 2013, 03:23:20 AM »

The Bend Parkway (US-97) through Bend. They call it a parkway, and technically, you'd call it either that or an expressway. However, the meain segment of it has plenty of grade separated interchanges, 4 lanes throughout, and overall a very freeway-like feel for a large portion of it. The speed limit is 45, but the average speed is about 55, and 60-65 isn't uncommon. It feels like they were trying to make a freeway, and then had to change it into something that's not a freeway, to please the anti-freeway people. Whatever.
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Re: Non-freeways that feel like freeways
« Reply #71 on: January 29, 2013, 08:06:04 AM »

The Bend Parkway (US-97) through Bend. … It feels like they were trying to make a freeway, and then had to change it into something that's not a freeway, to please the anti-freeway people. Whatever.

Anti-freeway? Yeah, that sounds like Oregon.  Also, several "parkways" have come to exist for exactly that reason.
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Re: Non-freeways that feel like freeways
« Reply #72 on: January 29, 2013, 11:34:28 AM »

Indiana State Route 63 north of Terre Haute fells like a freeway in some places. I often hit 70 mph on it even thought the speed limit is 60. Personally I think the speed limit should be 65.
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Re: Non-freeways that feel like freeways
« Reply #73 on: January 29, 2013, 12:40:12 PM »

A few I've driven on this year:
VA 33 between West Point and Saluda
US 17 north of Saluda (ties into the VA 33 segment)
US 360 west of Skinquarter (particularly between Skinquarter and the Chesterfield-Amelia line, which has only one intersection and really not much of anything)
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How about US 301 through Fort AP Hill?

No. 

Even though it is possible to go pretty fast on U.S. 301 between Bowling Green and Port Royal, the highway does not have the "look and feel" of a Virginia freeway.

And I have frequently observed VSP and Caroline County deputies engaged in radar/laser speed limit enforcement on that segment.
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Re: Non-freeways that feel like freeways
« Reply #74 on: January 29, 2013, 12:47:06 PM »

Baltimore Washington Parkway  between U.S. 50 at Tuxedo and Md. 175 in Odenton.  National Park Service maintenance.

Functional classification expressway (and unlike some other expressways, this one has full access control), but many people make the mistake of driving it like a freeway, sometimes with fatal results.

Suitland Parkway between the  D.C./Md. border and Md. 4, also NPS maintenance.  Four lanes divided, some substandard interchanges, some  signalized intersections at grade, a few non-signalized intersections.  Also driven by people like a freeway, sometimes with fatal results.

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