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Title: Cities that aren't
Post by: hotdogPi on April 27, 2018, 05:40:20 PM
Missouri City, TX
Midwest City, OK
Liberal, KS
Jersey Shore, PA
Huron, OH (it's on Lake Erie)
Several cities in this thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=21847) (directional cities that lack a namesake)
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: index on April 27, 2018, 05:47:01 PM
Colorado City, AZ - Self explanatory
Dixie Valley, NV - Doesn't look like that's in Dixie.
Hurricane, UT - No hurricanes here.


Bonus: Mountain Island Lake, NC and Mountain Island, NC. No mountains near or on any of these.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on April 27, 2018, 05:52:53 PM
Bielefeld, Germany
Teruel, Spain

Both are said not to exist :sombrero:.

In Spain we have a variation on this: The "villages of the three lies" (Pueblos de las tres mentiras). One such example is Santillana del Mar. It's not holy (Santa, rendered here as Santi), it's not flat (llana) and it's not by the sea (Mar) (Although it's decently close).
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 27, 2018, 06:05:07 PM
Tulare, CA...the lake of the same name is long gone. 
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: cjk374 on April 27, 2018, 06:17:55 PM
Oil City, LA
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: jeffandnicole on April 27, 2018, 06:19:33 PM
NJ has 10 cities under 5,000 people, another 9 with populations between 5,000 and 10,000 people.

Corbin City is our smallest 'city', with 492 people over nearly 9 square miles of land.  Estell Manor is the 4th smallest 'city' at 1,735 people, yet is 50 square miles large.  NJ's 11 largest cities by population are all less half that in size in area.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: Road Hog on April 27, 2018, 06:21:33 PM
The Holy Roman Empire was neither of the three.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: oscar on April 27, 2018, 06:37:54 PM
Pearl City, HI -- Pearl City is a small part of the City and County of Honolulu (which covers the entire island of Oahu), and Hawaii has no local governments below the county level.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: Eth on April 27, 2018, 06:46:11 PM
Stone Mountain, GA. It's not a mountain, just one really big rock.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: Brandon on April 27, 2018, 07:15:29 PM
In Illinois, there are two types.  One is "cities" that actually are villages or towns.  The other is places that people think are "cities".

Villages & Towns:
Village of Beecher City
Town of Belle Prairie City
Village of Central City
Village of Clay City
Village of Coal City
Village of Crescent City
Village of Dalton City
Village of Hanna City
Village of Junction City
Village of Pearl City
Village of Piper City
Village of Rapids City
Village of Rock City
Village of Schram City
Village of Standard City
Village of Valley City
Village of Wayne City
Village of West City
Village of White City
Village of Yates City

Keep in mind that the difference between a city and a village in Illinois is governmental, not size-based.  We have large villages (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlington_Heights,_Illinois) and small cities (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nason,_Illinois).

Places:
Boulder Hill
Future City
Illinois City
National City

To name a few.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: Flint1979 on April 27, 2018, 07:36:47 PM
Oil City, Michigan (between Mt. Pleasant and Midland)
Barton City, Michigan (Alcona County)
Beal City, Michigan (Isabella County)
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: US 89 on April 27, 2018, 08:10:17 PM
In Utah:
-White City is a census-designated place, not a city
-Meadow has no meadows to speak of
-Oranges have never been grown in Orangeville, the town was named after Orange Seely
-Sandy doesn't really have any sand
-South Jordan is west of the Jordan River, not south of it
-Tropic is nowhere near the tropics

And while it isn't a city, Snow Canyon rarely ever sees snow. It was named after Lorenzo Snow.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: Rothman on April 27, 2018, 08:14:05 PM
White City insists on being independent from Sandy as well.  Its drainage system is failing (or failed by now) and, last I heard, the residents still vote to stay independent.

Can't forget Erastus Snow as well.  Snow Canyon was named for both.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: webny99 on April 27, 2018, 08:54:12 PM
I assume the premise is to name cities that have misleading names, or refer to something that doesn't exist (not the literal interpretation of the title).

We've done this with streets names - for example, where's the creek on Creek St? and where's the bricks on Yellow Brick Rd?

Place names in New York tend not to refer to actual things, so I can't come up with too many off hand.
You could probably make a case for Sea Breeze...
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: ssp77 on April 27, 2018, 09:01:13 PM
Mountain Lake, MN.  Middle of the prairie and no lake!

SM-G950U1

Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: freebrickproductions on April 27, 2018, 09:48:36 PM
Hillsboro, AL - located in what has to be the flattest part of the Tennessee Valley...

Paint Rock, AL isn't anywhere near any painted rocks.

White City, AL and White City, FL aren't really cities at all (the one in Alabama isn't even incorporated).

Centre, AL; Center Point, AL; and Center Star, AL are all nowhere near the center of Alabama, nor any of their counties.

Cherokee, AL isn't in Cherokee County, AL.

Georgiana, AL isn't anywhere near Georgia or Louisiana.

And finally, Mobile, AL isn't very movable. :bigass:
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: Takumi on April 27, 2018, 09:56:53 PM
Rhode Island is neither a road nor an island.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: oscar on April 27, 2018, 10:10:26 PM
Quote from: Takumi on April 27, 2018, 09:56:53 PM
Rhode Island is neither a road nor an island.

Of course, "Rhode Island" isn't "Rhode Island". Official state name is "Rhode Island and Providence Plantations". Smallest state, biggest name.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: roadman65 on April 27, 2018, 10:29:56 PM
Wesley Chapel, FL!  If it were a city it would be Pasco County, FL largest and most populous city.
Merritt Island, FL, is not a city even though it has a lot of homes and businesses and appears as one.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: Flint1979 on April 27, 2018, 10:57:10 PM
Quote from: 1 on April 27, 2018, 05:40:20 PM
Missouri City, TX
Midwest City, OK
Liberal, KS
Jersey Shore, PA
Huron, OH (it's on Lake Erie)
Several cities in this thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=21847) (directional cities that lack a namesake)
Huron, Ohio is most likely named for the Wyandot people, a Native-American tribe, same people the lake was named after.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: roadman65 on April 27, 2018, 11:19:19 PM
Many people consider each of NYC's five boroughs to be cities in themselves.   As each borough are like their own municipality (and each one in itself is several times larger than most American cities) many just treat them as five completely different cities even though all part of the Great New York.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on April 27, 2018, 11:59:13 PM
Castle Danger, MN - no castles here
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 28, 2018, 12:13:19 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 27, 2018, 11:59:13 PM
Castle Danger, MN - no castles here

Don't the cliffs supposedly resemble a castle?

One that came to mind for Arizona is the ghost town Vulture City.  I'm sure vultures were copious but even in it's heyday it definitely wasn't a city.  On the other hand Nothing (the place) is interesting because there is actually some scant remains of the rock shop but I suspect in decade or two it will literally become the embodiment of it's name.   
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: jp the roadgeek on April 28, 2018, 12:32:04 AM
In CT

East Hampton is west of Hampton
Old Lyme is newer than Lyme by over 200 years
Watertown is 99% land.
Certainly no orange groves in Orange
South Windsor is on the same latitude as Windsor.  East Windsor is more north of Windsor than east.
There is very little farm land left in Farmington.
The homicide rates in Killingworth and Killingly are actually quite low
There is no more Saybrook for Old Saybrook to be older than (Saybrook is now Deep River)
Preston City is not a city; it is a village in the Town of Preston
Jewett City is a borough in the town of Griswold
Rocky Hill is generally flat
My town of 43,000 is larger than 8 of the 19 cities in CT

A national one: High Point, NC is more than 5,000 feet in elevation below the highest point (Mt. Mitchell) in NC.



Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: GenExpwy on April 28, 2018, 02:03:00 AM
New York:

Johnson City (next to Binghamton) – incorporated village, not a city
Java Village (Wyoming County) – unincorporated, not a village
New City (Rockland County) – unincorporated, not a city

If you assume that place names like Somethingtown or Somethingville imply town or village, then there are many more examples

Quote from: Takumi on April 27, 2018, 09:56:53 PM
Rhode Island is neither a road nor an island.
However, it does have an island called "Rhode Island" , best known for the city of Newport.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on April 28, 2018, 05:22:01 AM
Cathedral City, CA – No cathedrals there. It is, however, a city.
Dildo, NL, Canada – No dildos there AFAIK.
Fucking, Austria – Self-explanatory.

I still have to check if there are singing roosters in Gallocanta, Spain.

And once again I raise South Waverly PA, which is way Northwest of Waverly PA... but just South of Waverly NY.
Quote from: roadguy2 on April 27, 2018, 08:10:17 PM
In Utah:
-South Jordan is west of the Jordan River, not south of it

Is not South Jordan South of West Jordan, which is West of the Jordan River? Then it would make sense. I once mistook West Jordan for the West Bank in the Middle East.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: Scott5114 on April 28, 2018, 05:38:57 AM
Quote from: 1 on April 27, 2018, 05:40:20 PM
Midwest City, OK

Bzzt. Midwest City was named for the Midwest Air Depot, the original name of Tinker Air Force Base, so the U.S. government apparently considered Central Oklahoma to be part of the Midwest at one point.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: Beltway on April 28, 2018, 07:51:40 AM
Tell City, IN
Elizabeth City, NC
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: 1995hoo on April 28, 2018, 08:59:55 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 27, 2018, 11:19:19 PM
Many people consider each of NYC's five boroughs to be cities in themselves.   As each borough are like their own municipality (and each one in itself is several times larger than most American cities) many just treat them as five completely different cities even though all part of the Great New York.

Of course, Brooklyn was an independent city until 1898.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: wxfree on April 28, 2018, 09:43:17 AM
Quote from: oscar on April 27, 2018, 10:10:26 PM
Quote from: Takumi on April 27, 2018, 09:56:53 PM
Rhode Island is neither a road nor an island.

Of course, "Rhode Island" isn't "Rhode Island". Official state name is "Rhode Island and Providence Plantations". Smallest state, biggest name.

In 2010 there was a failed attempt at a constitutional amendment to change the name to "State of Rhode Island."  The No vote won with 78%.  I would have voted to approve it, but I can understand why people are reluctant to change something as foundational as the name of a state, even a name almost no one knows.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: hbelkins on April 28, 2018, 04:41:36 PM
Any incorporated place in Kentucky is known as a city, so there are no incorporated towns, such as Clay City, which "aren't." It's always interesting to see references to the City of Clay City, which is just down the road from the City of Stanton. But the governmental bodies are frequently referred to as the Stanton City Council, but the Clay City Council and not the Clay City City Council.

But there are a number of "wide spots in the road" communities with City in their name. I'm familiar with Island City (Owsley County), Sublimity City (Laurel County), Grange City (Fleming County) and Cannel City (Morgan County.)
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: oscar on April 28, 2018, 04:57:00 PM
Quote from: wxfree on April 28, 2018, 09:43:17 AM
Quote from: oscar on April 27, 2018, 10:10:26 PM
Quote from: Takumi on April 27, 2018, 09:56:53 PM
Rhode Island is neither a road nor an island.

Of course, "Rhode Island" isn't "Rhode Island". Official state name is "Rhode Island and Providence Plantations". Smallest state, biggest name.

In 2010 there was a failed attempt at a constitutional amendment to change the name to "State of Rhode Island."  The No vote won with 78%.  I would have voted to approve it, but I can understand why people are reluctant to change something as foundational as the name of a state, even a name almost no one knows.

The long name for the state of Rhode Island stuck in my mind because long ago I was working on a project with the state attorney general's office. We felt compelled to include "and Providence Plantations" in the state name, in all our correspondence with attorneys in the office. Copy and paste came in handy for that.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: SSOWorld on April 28, 2018, 07:28:52 PM
WI:
Genoa City - a village
Junction City - also a village
Marathon City - I guess to distinguish from the county - but still a village.  Marathon, Marathon, WI
Pleasant Prairie - I don't see prairies there.
Wrightstown....

Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: Takumi on April 28, 2018, 08:05:10 PM
Off the top of my head, Gate City and Chase City are two Virginia communities that are legally towns.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: 7/8 on April 28, 2018, 08:46:18 PM
Holiday City, OH on I-80/90 is a village of 52 surrounded by farm fields (not exactly a holiday destination) :-D
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: roadman65 on April 28, 2018, 09:10:33 PM
Campbell City in Florida is unincorporated in Osceola County.

Baseball City was the area around the interchange of I-4 and US 27 near Disney.  Now since the Royals Stadium was leveled in favor of retail centers, its not called that anymore but just another unincorporated part of Davenport, a nearby incorporated city.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: bulldog1979 on April 28, 2018, 09:34:58 PM
Quote from: 7/8 on April 28, 2018, 08:46:18 PM
Holiday City, OH on I-80/90 is a village of 52 surrounded by farm fields (not exactly a holiday destination) :-D

Holiday City was incorporated as a village by the family who owned a hotel there. At the time of incorporation, the hotel was flagged as a Holiday Inn, so the village was named for the hotel, thus Holiday City. When I worked there, it was a Ramada, and now it's a Quality Inn. Bonus fun factoid: there is a pond behind the hotel that is named Ramada Lake.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: bulldog1979 on April 28, 2018, 09:35:37 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 27, 2018, 07:36:47 PM
Oil City, Michigan (between Mt. Pleasant and Midland)
Barton City, Michigan (Alcona County)
Beal City, Michigan (Isabella County)


Also Mackinaw City, a village in Emmet and Cheboygan counties.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: GaryV on April 29, 2018, 07:08:47 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 27, 2018, 07:36:47 PM
Oil City, Michigan (between Mt. Pleasant and Midland)
Barton City, Michigan (Alcona County)
Beal City, Michigan (Isabella County)
Mt. Pleasant is hardly any kind of high spot ...

And another "pleasant" place -
As I understand it, Pleasant Ridge got it's name because it is part of the watershed divide between streams that flow toward the east or toward the south.  But you can hardly see any change of elevation.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: Bruce on April 29, 2018, 07:12:09 PM
Columbia City, Seattle: Neither a city or anywhere near the Columbia River.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: Rothman on April 29, 2018, 09:26:53 PM
Quote from: Bruce on April 29, 2018, 07:12:09 PM
Columbia City, Seattle: Neither a city or anywhere near the Columbia River.
Washington was originally going to be called Columbia.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: Desert Man on April 29, 2018, 11:40:08 PM
Cherokee, OK isn't in Cherokee county, OK which itself is the HQ of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma while Cherokee the town itself was part of the nation's strip in the 1830s-80s.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: US 89 on April 29, 2018, 11:54:51 PM
Quote from: Rothman on April 29, 2018, 09:26:53 PM
Quote from: Bruce on April 29, 2018, 07:12:09 PM
Columbia City, Seattle: Neither a city or anywhere near the Columbia River.
Washington was originally going to be called Columbia.

And it was changed because the Columbia name could potentially get confused with the District of Columbia. Ironically, they changed it to Washington, which I think has much more confusion associated with it than Columbia would.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on April 30, 2018, 04:08:33 AM
Quote from: Rothman on April 29, 2018, 09:26:53 PM
Quote from: Bruce on April 29, 2018, 07:12:09 PM
Columbia City, Seattle: Neither a city or anywhere near the Columbia River.
Washington was originally going to be called Columbia.

Which may explain why the Canadian province to the North of it is named British Columbia... which in turn is no longer British :-D.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: OracleUsr on April 30, 2018, 06:36:04 AM
North, SC (in the middle of the state)
Beach, ND (really??)
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: hotdogPi on April 30, 2018, 06:39:16 AM
Quote from: OracleUsr on April 30, 2018, 06:36:04 AM
North, SC (in the middle of the state)

That reminds me: West, Texas. Even "better" because West Texas is a term used in common speech.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: OracleUsr on April 30, 2018, 06:40:51 AM
Then there's Due West, SC, which is not anywhere near the westernmost town in the state (though I guess Westminster is aptly named)
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: abefroman329 on April 30, 2018, 09:18:55 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 27, 2018, 11:19:19 PM
Many people consider each of NYC's five boroughs to be cities in themselves.   As each borough are like their own municipality (and each one in itself is several times larger than most American cities) many just treat them as five completely different cities even though all part of the Great New York.

Of course, it gets more complicated once the Post Office gets involved.  Addresses in the Bronx are addressed "Bronx, NY."  Addresses in Brooklyn are addressed "Brooklyn, NY."  Addresses on Staten Island are addressed "Staten Island, NY."  With me so far?  Addresses in Manhattan are addressed "New York, NY" and addresses in Queens are addressed "[neighborhood in Queens], NY" (such as Astoria, NY or Kew Gardens, NY).
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: jeffandnicole on April 30, 2018, 09:52:38 AM
Quote from: abefroman329 on April 30, 2018, 09:18:55 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 27, 2018, 11:19:19 PM
Many people consider each of NYC's five boroughs to be cities in themselves.   As each borough are like their own municipality (and each one in itself is several times larger than most American cities) many just treat them as five completely different cities even though all part of the Great New York.

Of course, it gets more complicated once the Post Office gets involved.  Addresses in the Bronx are addressed "Bronx, NY."  Addresses in Brooklyn are addressed "Brooklyn, NY."  Addresses on Staten Island are addressed "Staten Island, NY."  With me so far?  Addresses in Manhattan are addressed "New York, NY" and addresses in Queens are addressed "[neighborhood in Queens], NY" (such as Astoria, NY or Kew Gardens, NY).

As long as the ZIP is correct, you could skip the city entirely.

My area is served by a ZIP code that can have up to 10 different town or sections of towns on it, and I just happen to be in a suburban town that doesn't have an all-encompassing Post Office of its own (We have a post office in town, but it serves just a small area of the town).  No matter what the junk mailer puts on it, it still gets to me though.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: SP Cook on April 30, 2018, 11:32:39 AM
I guess I can do West Virginia.

Barrackville.  Named for a guy named Barrack, never was a military barracks. 

Berkeley Springs.  Is the county seat of Morgan County, which was split off from now neighboring Berkeley County 200 years ago. 

Bridgeport.  Has neither a significant bridge nor port.

Bruceton Mills.  Never the site of a mill belonging to someone named Bruceton. 

East Bank.  No bank in the financial sense there.  It is on the east bank (side) of the river.

Four States.  Not one of those "you can see four states from here" not even very near any border.  Founder owned coal mines in four states.

Gallipolis Ferry.  Ferry to Gallipolis, Ohio ended a century ago.

Glen, Glen Dale, Glen Daniel, Glen Easton, Glen Ferris, Glen Fork, Glen Jean, Glen Rogers, Glenferris, Glendon, Glenhayes, Glenville and Glenhayes, were all named by Scottish or Scots-Irish immigrants and none are in a glen.

Green Bank.  See East Bank, above.

Harper's Ferry.  Harper was only one of several ferries in that area, all long gone.

Hurricane.  Area surveyed by George Washington's men, all from the coast, who saw the aftermath of a tornado, which was an unknown thing to them and they assumed it to have been a hurricane. 

Institute.  Home of the WV Colored Institute, which was changed to "state college" 90 years ago.

Kenova.  Conflation of Kentucky, Ohio and Virginia.  Never changed the name after 1863.  Western most point in Kenova, and thus the state, is Virginia Point.  Which the main industry there is the Kanawha River Terminals Company.  Which Kenova is the confluence of the Ohio and Big Sandy, the Kanawha is 70 miles away.

Mineral Wells.  No mineral wells there.

Mineral County.  In a state rich with coal, it produces none.

Paden City.  Population 2600.  Technically a town.

Scott Depot.  So named for a long forgotten train station for the town of Winfield, both named for Winfield Scott.

Spanishburg.  That odd mix of Spanish and German was named for settler Spanish Brown, who was Scots.  No record of Spanish settlement.

Teays.  A post office with no residents (the town was removed to build I-64, the post office is in a strip mall for boxes only) it gives its name to the region, the "Teays Valley".  The Teays river was name given to a theoretical river from the ice age in a dissertation.  There is no Teays river.

Tridelphia.  Population 209, technically a town.

Webster Springs.  Actually the mineral water is from a well, a failed hotel venture just things calling it a "spring" sounded better.

Winding Gulf.  Another meaning for "gulf" is ravine. 

Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: hbelkins on April 30, 2018, 12:09:13 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 30, 2018, 11:32:39 AM
I guess I can do West Virginia.

Barrackville.  Named for a guy named Barrack, never was a military barracks.

I think we can guess who it WASN'T named after.  :bigass:


QuoteGlen, Glen Dale, Glen Daniel, Glen Easton, Glen Ferris, Glen Fork, Glen Jean, Glen Rogers, Glenferris, Glendon, Glenhayes, Glenville and Glenhayes, were all named by Scottish or Scots-Irish immigrants and none are in a glen.

I had noticed a lot of "Glen ..." names in West Virginia, many of them around Beckley.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: index on April 30, 2018, 03:43:46 PM
South Charleston, WV is north of Charleston.
East Liverpool, OH has no Liverpool counterpart.
Frostproof, FL is not frostproof.
Seven Lakes, NC has more than seven lakes.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: Doctor Whom on April 30, 2018, 03:53:37 PM
In Maryland, Ellicott City and Maryland City are CDP's, and Chesapeake City, Cottage City, and Ocean City are towns.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: bing101 on April 30, 2018, 06:38:32 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unincorporated_area

This??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arden-Arcade,_California

Arden-Arcade, CA and its Sacramento County Territory

Note Here are  other unincorporated areas of Sacramento COunty that we sometimes think as cities.

Antelope, Arden-Arcade, Carmichael, Clay, Courtland, Elverta, Fair Oaks, Florin, Foothill Farms, Franklin, Freeport, Fruitridge Pocket ,Gold River, Herald ,Hood ,La Riviera Lemon Hill, Mather, McClellan Park, North Highlands, Orangevale ,Parkway, Rancho Murieta, Rio Linda, Rosemont, Vineyard ,Walnut Grove and Wilton

Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: bing101 on April 30, 2018, 06:42:37 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise,_Nevada

There is Paradise, NV a Clark County Territory that has "The Strip" but everybody else outside of Nevada thinks the Strip is in Las Vegas when its not.

Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: LM117 on April 30, 2018, 07:06:26 PM
A few from NC:

Siler City
Seven Springs
Four Oaks
Surf City
Oak Island
Pink Hill
Snow Hill
Rose Hill
Magnolia
Oak City
Turkey
Roseboro
Spring Lake
Red Oak
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: hbelkins on April 30, 2018, 08:57:16 PM
One more comment about West Virginia, specifically Hurricane (which is pronounced "Her-ih-kuhn," not "Her-ih-kane.")

There are also communities named Cyclone and Tornado. Tornado isn't too far away, but Cyclone is up in the mountains. In around two hours, you can drive to all three communities.

https://goo.gl/maps/AjZBphgMzcm
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: US 89 on April 30, 2018, 11:45:23 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 30, 2018, 08:57:16 PM
One more comment about West Virginia, specifically Hurricane (which is pronounced "Her-ih-kuhn," not "Her-ih-kane.")

That's the pronunciation of Hurricane, UT as well. It rhymes with nearby "La Verkin".
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: GenExpwy on May 01, 2018, 02:55:50 AM
Quote from: abefroman329 on April 30, 2018, 09:18:55 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 27, 2018, 11:19:19 PM
Many people consider each of NYC's five boroughs to be cities in themselves.   As each borough are like their own municipality (and each one in itself is several times larger than most American cities) many just treat them as five completely different cities even though all part of the Great New York.

Of course, it gets more complicated once the Post Office gets involved.  Addresses in the Bronx are addressed "Bronx, NY."  Addresses in Brooklyn are addressed "Brooklyn, NY."  Addresses on Staten Island are addressed "Staten Island, NY."  With me so far?  Addresses in Manhattan are addressed "New York, NY" and addresses in Queens are addressed "[neighborhood in Queens], NY" (such as Astoria, NY or Kew Gardens, NY).

For most of NYC, the Post Office name is the same as what that section had before the 1898 consolidation.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: SP Cook on May 01, 2018, 09:07:53 AM
Quote from: index on April 30, 2018, 03:43:46 PM
South Charleston, WV is north of Charleston.

Because of crazy quilt annexations that never should have been permitted, parts of South Charleston are north, south, east, and west of parts of Charleston.  Downtown South Charleston is directly across the river, and thus south of the Charleston neighborhood of North Charleston.  But it is correct that downtown Charleston is both east and slightly south of downtown South Charleston. 

Keeping with the "city" theme two other neighborhoods in Charleston are "Elk City" and "Kanawha City", neither of which are cities, just neighborhoods.  Huntington also has a "Central City" neighborhood which is not a city, just a neighborhood and on the edge of town, not in its center. 

Quote from: hbelkins on April 30, 2018, 08:57:16 PM
One more comment about West Virginia, specifically Hurricane (which is pronounced "Her-ih-kuhn," not "Her-ih-kane.")


Yes.  And it is like Versailles in Kentucky or Toledo in Ohio.   That is just the way it is pronounced, by everybody who knows how to pronounce it correctly, not a function of an Appalachian accent.  If I said the phrase "There has never been a hurricane in Hurricane", I would pronounce the two words differently, as would everybody else here.

BTW, there is also a Mount Storm.

Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: bing101 on May 01, 2018, 03:05:45 PM

There are Two Londons in the UK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London)     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London)  and in  the same general spot.











Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: bing101 on May 02, 2018, 12:29:56 AM
Hollywood, California its a district in Los Angeles plus TV,Radio,Film, Podcasts and Youtube shows are not really filmed in Hollywood but near the CA-134 freeway. People outside of Los Angeles think Hollywood is a city in the area and films are based

Also the kicker Alabama Claims to have the real Hollywood along with Florida.

http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2012/11/more_than_2_decades_ago_the_re.html (http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2012/11/more_than_2_decades_ago_the_re.html)
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: PHLBOS on May 02, 2018, 09:33:36 AM
Quote from: GenExpwy on April 28, 2018, 02:03:00 AM
Quote from: Takumi on April 27, 2018, 09:56:53 PM
Rhode Island is neither a road nor an island.
However, it does have an island called "Rhode Island" , best known for the city of Newport.
Actually, that island (which also includes Middletown & Portsmouth & is a portion of Newport County) is known as Aquidneck Island (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquidneck_Island).

Quote from: oscar on April 28, 2018, 04:57:00 PM
Quote from: wxfree on April 28, 2018, 09:43:17 AM
Quote from: oscar on April 27, 2018, 10:10:26 PMOf course, "Rhode Island" isn't "Rhode Island". Official state name is "Rhode Island and Providence Plantations". Smallest state, biggest name.
In 2010 there was a failed attempt at a constitutional amendment to change the name to "State of Rhode Island."  The No vote won with 78%.  I would have voted to approve it, but I can understand why people are reluctant to change something as foundational as the name of a state, even a name almost no one knows.
The long name for the state of Rhode Island stuck in my mind because long ago I was working on a project with the state attorney general's office. We felt compelled to include "and Providence Plantations" in the state name, in all our correspondence with attorneys in the office. Copy and paste came in handy for that.
Interestingly, all the RI Professional Licensing seals (PE, LS, Architect, etc.) only list STATE OF RHODE ISLAND in them.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: english si on May 02, 2018, 03:09:11 PM
Quote from: bing101 on May 01, 2018, 03:05:45 PMThere are Two Londons in the UK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London)     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London)  and in  the same general spot.
CP Grey doesn't get things quite right. I find this is typical of him when it comes to stuff I know about, though obviously can't say for the stuff I don't. It really irks me as he's close, comes off as correct, but is actually spreading mistruths.

Westminster predates William the Conqueror (it's where he was crowned as it was already the seat of power), with the Abbey built by Edward the Confessor, on the site of an older one. CP implies it post-dates 'Guillieme the Bastard' (as he was known then, and should be known now, especially the bastard part - and not in the sense that his parents weren't married).

Then 'lands and buildings far outside its border' - is accompanied by captioned photos: one is lands outside the border, and two are buildings inside the border. Where's Parliament Hill Lido (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_Hill_Lido) or the City of London Crematorium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London_Cemetery_and_Crematorium) for buildings (lands outside the border are easier than buildings)?

Plus, and most importantly, Greater London with a hole doesn't have a mayor - it's a regional post, not the county, and so includes the City of London. The City of London is more independent of the Mayor though, with it's own police force and the like (also Police Forces in the UK might cover more than one county, and until the regional government of London was created, the boundaries of the Met weren't the same as the boundaries of the county).

Greater London (the county) has a coat of arms (http://www.ngw.nl/heraldrywiki/index.php?title=Greater_London_Council) and a flag (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Greater_London.svg), but the county doesn't have any functions - no council, no nothing as everything is either covered by the boroughs, or by the regional authority. Given CP repeatedly confused the county with the region, I'm surprised he said that Greater London doesn't have these things - because the county does.

Then the second video fails to understand 'Time Immemorial' (it's having such rights in 1275 since before 1189 and thus not needing to prove how or when they got them) and blames the age of the city for the messy electoral system - but none of Bangor, Canterbury, Durham, Exeter, Hereford, Lichfield, Wells, Winchester, Worcester, nor York (ditto Lincoln, Chichester, Bath, Norwich, Coventry and Carlisle, which could claim Time Immemorial if they wanted to, but use the actual charter) don't have a complex system of electing a Lord Mayor (and not all those cities have Lord Mayors, which are a separate status symbol granted by the monarch).

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As city status in the UK is something granted by the monarch at certain times (normally Jubilees and other special ceremonial occasions), there's quite a few impostor attempts, as well as genuine historic nicknames that don't reflect the actual status.

(https://i2-prod.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article8810111.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/milton-keynes.jpg)
These signs have since been replaced, and while technically true that MK was called 'New City' in planning documents (but not legal instruments), it is not a city*. They have since, both accurately and misleadingly, called themselves a county (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPexYGIXUAUrfzR.jpg).

*and it's deeply controversial to say so, but it won't be for some time - on every criteria that candidates submit their bids on, it is no better than third-best, and often much further down the list. Yet people - even those who you can't blame civic pride for - treat it as if it is the second most-obvious place, behind Reading, to get city status. There was a 'huh?' when Chelmsford got it in 2012, but as a cathedral town that is the seat of the second most populous county council, that's not close to other cities and has a lot of people (as many as Reading 'city' proper, who's urban area overspills beyond the borders), it ticks a lot of boxes. Whereas Reading is 'lots of people, large urban area, former county town for just over 100 years of a mid-sized county' and doesn't tick as many - just ticks the urban area one better.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: abefroman329 on May 02, 2018, 03:23:25 PM
It is surprising that Reading is not a city, but I also remember from living there that the bus tickets read "Reading Town Centre" and not "City Centre," so.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: english si on May 02, 2018, 04:36:09 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 02, 2018, 03:23:25 PMIt is surprising that Reading is not a city, but I also remember from living there that the bus tickets read "Reading Town Centre" and not "City Centre," so.
They changed that to City Centre, then had to change that back because it wasn't a city, IIRC.

It doesn't help Reading that the border is very tight and so half the urban area is outside it - Berks would have been better with Wokingham split between Bracknell Forest, Windsor & Maidenhead and Reading. It doesn't help that Berkshire County Council was abolished. It doesn't help that Oxford isn't that far away (and so there never needed to be a cathedral in Reading). It doesn't help that sheer size is low down the criteria looked at. It certainly doesn't help that Reading seems to think it's owed city status, so doesn't make amazing bids as it doesn't think it needs to.

Reading will probably become a city in 2026 or 2027 (assuming the Queen lives as long as her mum and that they do city status for the 100th Birthday, and/or the 75th Jubilee) - I don't think 2022 (70th Jubilee) will be successful for Reading if certain other towns bid as Reading isn't top even on criteria designed to favour Reading (other than 'is called Reading' obviously) like urban area population. And if the criteria are the same as the other times...
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: lepidopteran on May 02, 2018, 07:56:27 PM
Quote from: bing101 on May 02, 2018, 12:29:56 AM
Hollywood, California its a district in Los Angeles plus TV,Radio,Film, Podcasts and Youtube shows are not really filmed in Hollywood but near the CA-134 freeway. People outside of Los Angeles think Hollywood is a city in the area and films are in the area
I might be showing my age here, but...

When "All in the Family" originally aired on CBS, just before the opening theme song commenced, a voiceover against a black background proclaimed, "From Television City in Hollywood".  Yet that studio complex is actually located in the Fairfax district of L.A., not Hollywood.  The ticket plugs on The Price is Right, also taped at Television City, clearly say "7800 Beverly Blvd, Los Angeles".  (Rumor has it that the studio's days may be numbered, FWIW.)

Meanwhile, on NBC, during the last 20 years that Johnny Carson hosted The Tonight Show, Ed McMahon's famous schpeil ending in "Heeeeere's Johnny!" used to begin with "Frommmmm Hollywood! The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson".  Only problem is, NBC's studios are on Alameda Ave. in Burbank -- this is in the San Fernando Valley, which is nowhere near Hollywood.  (Ahhh, but it is near North Hollywood!  ;-))  Indeed, when Jay Leno took over, the new intro sequence made specific mention of Burbank.  Of course, now with Jimmy Fallon, The Tonight Show broadcast from neither Burbank, L.A., or Hollywood -- like Carson's first 10 years and before, it's back in New York.

I once asked a tour guide why they used Hollywood when it wasn't.  They replied along the lines of, those folks out east think it's all the same place.

Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: abefroman329 on May 03, 2018, 09:08:02 AM
Quote from: lepidopteran on May 02, 2018, 07:56:27 PM
Meanwhile, on NBC, during the last 20 years that Johnny Carson hosted The Tonight Show, Ed McMahon's famous schpeil ending in "Heeeeere's Johnny!" used to begin with "Frommmmm Hollywood! The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson".  Only problem is, NBC's studios are on Alameda Ave. in Burbank -- this is in the San Fernando Valley, which is nowhere near Hollywood.

"From Burbank!" wouldn't have jibed well with Carson's regular jokes about Burbank, though.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on May 03, 2018, 11:27:13 AM
At first I thought this was about any location that doesn't live up to its name, but since others have mentioned cities in function that don't have that title, I thus bring up Madrid, Spain, which isn't a city either but a town :sombrero:. But that is just honorary, as there is only one type of municipalities in Spain.

N.b.: I took the liberty of translating Villa as "Town".
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: hotdogPi on May 03, 2018, 11:47:07 AM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on May 03, 2018, 11:27:13 AM
At first I thought this was about any location that doesn't live up to its name, but since others have mentioned cities in function that don't have that title, I thus bring up Madrid, Spain, which isn't a city either but a town :sombrero:. But that is just honorary, as there is only one type of municipalities in Spain.

N.b.: I took the liberty of translating Villa as "Town".

Other people have been interpreting this thread much more narrowly than I intended.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: Mrt90 on May 03, 2018, 12:03:02 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on April 28, 2018, 07:28:52 PM
WI:
Genoa City - a village
Junction City - also a village
Marathon City - I guess to distinguish from the county - but still a village.  Marathon, Marathon, WI
Pleasant Prairie - I don't see prairies there.
Wrightstown....

You need to look a little harder for the prairie in Pleasant Prairie...

https://dnr.wi.gov/topic/lands/naturalareas/index.asp?SNA=54

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5038687,-87.8126504,1069m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: briantroutman on May 03, 2018, 12:51:28 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on May 02, 2018, 07:56:27 PM
"From Television City in Hollywood"

In addition to All in the Family, I think many if not most shows taped at CBS Television City (that made mention of their taping location) also referenced "Hollywood" –I can think of The Price Is Right, Press Your Luck, and the $25,000 Pyramid just offhand.

Likewise, I notice that Universal will distinguish its California attraction from its Florida one by referring to it as "Universal Studios Hollywood" –and sometimes with the tagline "The Entertainment Capital of L.A."  That despite it being neither in Hollywood nor the city of Los Angeles. It's quite a turnabout from their years of promoting productions as being filmed in "Universal City, Calif." –when it seemed that they were positioning themselves almost as a counter to the Hollywood establishment.

I think the NBC tour guide was more or less correct; most people across the country (and across the world) probably associate any film or TV production in southern California with "Hollywood" –regardless of the specific geography. Heck, when I lived in the San Francisco area, I remember getting inane questions from less sophisticated relatives when they merely heard that I lived "...in California" –as if everyone in the state rubbed elbows with celebrities and had summer-like weather year round.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: kphoger on May 03, 2018, 02:11:29 PM
Here (https://goo.gl/maps/US5RoBFgBFJ2) are some trees in Notrees, TX.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: mrsman on May 03, 2018, 10:54:48 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on May 02, 2018, 07:56:27 PM
Quote from: bing101 on May 02, 2018, 12:29:56 AM
Hollywood, California its a district in Los Angeles plus TV,Radio,Film, Podcasts and Youtube shows are not really filmed in Hollywood but near the CA-134 freeway. People outside of Los Angeles think Hollywood is a city in the area and films are in the area
I might be showing my age here, but...

When "All in the Family" originally aired on CBS, just before the opening theme song commenced, a voiceover against a black background proclaimed, "From Television City in Hollywood".  Yet that studio complex is actually located in the Fairfax district of L.A., not Hollywood.  The ticket plugs on The Price is Right, also taped at Television City, clearly say "7800 Beverly Blvd, Los Angeles".  (Rumor has it that the studio's days may be numbered, FWIW.)

Meanwhile, on NBC, during the last 20 years that Johnny Carson hosted The Tonight Show, Ed McMahon's famous schpeil ending in "Heeeeere's Johnny!" used to begin with "Frommmmm Hollywood! The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson".  Only problem is, NBC's studios are on Alameda Ave. in Burbank -- this is in the San Fernando Valley, which is nowhere near Hollywood.  (Ahhh, but it is near North Hollywood!  ;-))  Indeed, when Jay Leno took over, the new intro sequence made specific mention of Burbank.  Of course, now with Jimmy Fallon, The Tonight Show broadcast from neither Burbank, L.A., or Hollywood -- like Carson's first 10 years and before, it's back in New York.

I once asked a tour guide why they used Hollywood when it wasn't.  They replied along the lines of, those folks out east think it's all the same place.

As an L.A. native who actually grew up in the Hollywood district I understand that there is a lot of cachet to use the term "Hollywood". 

In the old days, Hollywood was essentially defined as being roughly the area surrounded by Doheny-Melrose-Hyperion and the mid-point of the "hills" (Mullholland Dr. if you are west of the 101).  Hollywood's CBD, was of course along Hollywood Blvd, between La Brea and Gower.  It was L.A.'s entertainment mecca for movies as well as stage (i.e. Pantages Theater).  As certain neighborhoods within the Hollywood area became more prominent, the definition of what is Hollywood shrunk.  West Hollywood was not part of LA (and eventually became its own city) so it had a distinct character, Los Feliz and Hollywood Hills could be easily defined as being separate from the main part of Hollywood.  There even was a term for East Hollywood for the section east of Western Ave which is distinct from the entertainment focused zones of the area west of Western.   

In the oldest days, the studios were all within the boundaries of Hollywood for movies, TV, and some radio.  There were some studios in East Hollywood near the Sunset/Hollywood intersection and some substantial studios also in the south section of Hollywood.  (Paramount is still there along Melrose  Ave.)  The networks' west coast presence was very close to the CBD with NBC right on the corner of Sunset/Vine and the other networks relatively close.

As more movies got produced, the production company needed more land and expanded outside of the Hollywood area.  MGM was in Culver City; 20th Century Fox in West L.A. (now known as Century City); Warner Bros. and Disney moved to Burbank; and Universal moved just over the hill to North Hollywood (its land is still not part of the city of L.A. and is known as Universal City).  The TV networks and the local LA TV channels largely took over many of the smaller studios that the movie studios left.

But even TV grew more and more.  CBS still kept their west coast business offices at Columbia Square (Sunset Blvd) for a while, but started filming shows in Studio City in the Valley and certain shows with a live studio audience at Television City.  Television City is on Beverly near Fairfax only 1/2 mile south of Hollywood's border and 1 mile east of Beverly/La Cienega, the center of the TMZ.  Calling this area Hollywood is reasonable IMO, even if not precise. 

NBC was the first network to leave Hollywood for Burbank.  While the intro to Carson identified the place as Hollywood, "Laugh-in" was more than happy to be identified as coming from "Beautiful Downtown Burbank."

With NBC, Warner, and Disney all in Burbank, and Universal just outside the Burbank city limits - Burbank has become the new media district.  More and more movie and TV production is happening along the 134 corridor (even into Glendale).  And as the networks were all bought out by movie studios, there is now an even bigger push to consolidate the network properties within the confines of the movie studios.  So while it was OK for many years for ABC to handle their west coast operations on Prospect Av in East Hollywood, when Disney bought them, they moved them to Glendale.  NBC is making their way out of Burbank to property within the Universal Studios property etc.

So to me, if an area is close to Hollywood (Universal, TV City) we can call it Hollywood.  Otherwise, it should be known as where it is actually from.  West Los Angeles, Culver City, Burbank, Glendale.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: RobbieL2415 on May 03, 2018, 11:55:57 PM
Then there's the town of Agawam, MA.  A municipality that is legally incorporated as a city but calls itself a town.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: US 89 on May 04, 2018, 12:27:25 AM
I'd bet Twentynine Palms, CA has more than 29 palm trees.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: bing101 on May 04, 2018, 12:42:26 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosslyn,_Virginia

Rosslyn, Virginia gets mistaken for a city but its technically unincorporated territory for Arlington County, Virginia.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: Scott5114 on May 04, 2018, 02:32:45 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 30, 2018, 12:09:13 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 30, 2018, 11:32:39 AM
I guess I can do West Virginia.

Barrackville.  Named for a guy named Barrack, never was a military barracks.

I think we can guess who it WASN'T named after.  :bigass:

Tom Barrack (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_J._Barrack_Jr.)? :bigass:
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: Beltway on May 04, 2018, 06:15:08 AM
Quote from: bing101 on May 04, 2018, 12:42:26 AM
Rosslyn, Virginia gets mistaken for a city but its technically unincorporated territory for Arlington County, Virginia.

Arlington County gets mistaken for a city but has no incorporated towns within its borders.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: renegade on May 04, 2018, 03:01:50 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 30, 2018, 12:09:13 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 30, 2018, 11:32:39 AM
I guess I can do West Virginia.

Barrackville.  Named for a guy named Barrack, never was a military barracks.

I think we can guess who it WASN'T named after.  :bigass:
Never let that go, dude.      :pan:
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: abefroman329 on May 04, 2018, 03:03:42 PM
Quote from: renegade on May 04, 2018, 03:01:50 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 30, 2018, 12:09:13 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 30, 2018, 11:32:39 AM
I guess I can do West Virginia.

Barrackville.  Named for a guy named Barrack, never was a military barracks.

I think we can guess who it WASN'T named after.  :bigass:
Never let that go, dude.      :pan:

I think you mean  :banghead:
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: bing101 on May 06, 2018, 08:53:01 PM


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesterfield (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesterfield)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_town (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_town)

Chesterfield, England its not a city but technically a designated market town. 
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: hotdogPi on May 06, 2018, 09:04:28 PM
I don't understand. What is in the name of "Chesterfield" that isn't true about the city itself?
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: hbelkins on May 06, 2018, 09:43:25 PM
Another thought - Virginia City in Virginia. There didn't used to be anything there but an intersection between Alternate US 58 and a secondary route until a power plant was built there several years ago.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: english si on May 07, 2018, 04:57:22 AM
Quote from: bing101 on May 06, 2018, 08:53:01 PMChesterfield, England its not a city but technically a designated market town. 
All towns in England before about 1888 (when city status was untied from having an Anglican Cathedral) have a market - as markets were what towns were about. There's very few non-market towns, as most towns created in the 20th century (by Royal Charter, as has been the case for a very long time, though there's very few recorded before 1199) have markets.

If my town stops holding its weekly Tuesday market, or it's annual fair after 800+ years (1199 was the charter), even just once then it technically ceases to be a town as it being a town is conditional on these things. Well until a couple of years ago, when civil Parish Councils have the ability to make themselves Town Councils.
Quote from: 1 on May 06, 2018, 09:04:28 PMI don't understand. What is in the name of "Chesterfield" that isn't true about the city town itself?
FIFY - bing101's point is that it isn't a city, but a town.

But, unlike Reading mentioned upthread, what is it about Chesterfield that makes it worthy of City Status? It's a borough, which is post-1974 (like 'city', though much less prestigious) an honorary title granted by Royal Charter (though, like town status, councils can make themselves boroughs these past few years^) on district councils. Pre-1974 'County Boroughs' (which Chesterfield was not) had county powers, but were still part of an existing county, and boroughs themselves had been stripped of the additional powers Guilliame the Bastard gave them over towns by 1660.

Chesterfield (OK, I've only driven through it twice) doesn't quack like a city in the way Reading, or Milton Keynes*, does - it's not a de facto city that isn't one de jure.

I guess it's ancient borough status worked - the Bastard wanted people to live near castles, so borough residents had more rights and status was given to fortified places. It's not a fort 'chester' in grazing land 'feld' anymore as both have been built over (OK, there are some fields in the borough, which extends beyond the urban area, and even covers the nearby town of Staveley)

^None have, AFAICT, used these new rights to upgrade their status - probably because the places that aren't towns or boroughs view not being so more of a selling point.
*Which I included in this thread due to the 'Borough and New City' signs - it actively claiming to be a city.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: english si on May 07, 2018, 05:44:28 AM
Not cities (and not all settlements), but the Isle of Wight has the 'Wonders' (http://www.wightindex.com/wonders-of-the-isle-of-wight.asp), some of which are witty, others of which are just there to make up numbers on a postcard. There's been a campaign to retire these terrible postcards, what with it now being the 1980s there (same time as UK, but you need to change your calendar before you board the hovercraft and the non-heritage railway with pre-WW2 trains) and it just not being fitting.

Here are some of the better ones:
The worst two of the ten or so ever used are ""Lake" where there is no water" - because its not true as it's on the coast, and ""Winkle street" where there are no Winkles." which is clearly there just to make up the numbers.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: abefroman329 on May 07, 2018, 08:57:54 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 06, 2018, 09:43:25 PM
Another thought - Virginia City in Virginia. There didn't used to be anything there but an intersection between Alternate US 58 and a secondary route until a power plant was built there several years ago.

I didn't even know there was a Virgina City, Virginia.  I thought the only Virginia City was in California.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: signalman on May 07, 2018, 09:30:58 AM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 07, 2018, 08:57:54 AM
I didn't even know there was a Virgina City, Virginia.  I thought the only Virginia City was in California.
The only one that I was aware of is in Nevada, although there very well could be one in California as well.  Interesting enough, the one in NV isn't incorporated as a city.  In fact, I don't think it's incorporated as anything, but rather unincorporated Storey County.




*Edited to fix my geographical error.  Thanks Oscar
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: oscar on May 07, 2018, 09:44:05 AM
Quote from: signalman on May 07, 2018, 09:30:58 AM
The only one that I was aware of is in Nevada, although there very well could be one in California as well.  Interesting enough, the one in NV isn't incorporated as a city.  In fact, I don't think it's incorporated as anything, but rather unincorporated Washoe Storey County.

FTFY. Virginia City is the county seat of Storey County.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: abefroman329 on May 07, 2018, 10:13:03 AM
Quote from: signalman on May 07, 2018, 09:30:58 AM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 07, 2018, 08:57:54 AM
I didn't even know there was a Virgina City, Virginia.  I thought the only Virginia City was in California.
The only one that I was aware of is in Nevada, although there very well could be one in California as well.  Interesting enough, the one in NV isn't incorporated as a city.  In fact, I don't think it's incorporated as anything, but rather unincorporated Storey County.




*Edited to fix my geographical error.  Thanks Oscar

I might have been thinking of Nevada and not California.  Which is the one mentioned in Westerns and in Back to the Future Part III?
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: signalman on May 07, 2018, 10:29:49 AM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 07, 2018, 10:13:03 AM
I might have been thinking of Nevada and not California.  Which is the one mentioned in Westerns and in Back to the Future Part III?
Likely Virginia City, NV.  Westerns aren't my thing and I've never seen Back to the Future Part III; but since you mention western movies, I'm gonna say it's the Nevada one.  The area is rich in mining history and it certainly shows in the buildings.  Take a quick cruise around in GSV if you have the time.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: US 89 on May 07, 2018, 05:37:17 PM
Quote from: signalman on May 07, 2018, 09:30:58 AM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 07, 2018, 08:57:54 AM
I didn't even know there was a Virgina City, Virginia.  I thought the only Virginia City was in California.
The only one that I was aware of is in Nevada, although there very well could be one in California as well.  Interesting enough, the one in NV isn't incorporated as a city.  In fact, I don't think it's incorporated as anything, but rather unincorporated Storey County.

Virginia City, NV is a census-designated place. And yes, that's another county where the county seat is not an incorporated municipality. Looks like there are several Nevada counties that are like that.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: bing101 on May 08, 2018, 10:02:44 PM
Quote from: Doctor Whom on April 30, 2018, 03:53:37 PM
In Maryland, Ellicott City and Maryland City are CDP's, and Chesapeake City, Cottage City, and Ocean City are towns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_County,_Maryland

In Baltimore County, Maryland there are no cities but there are unincorporated territories and CDP's that get mistaken for cities like Hunt Valley

QuoteBaltimore County has no incorporated municipalities located entirely within its boundaries. The following census-designated places recognized by the Census Bureau:

Arbutus
Baltimore Highlands
Bowleys Quarters
Carney
Catonsville
Cockeysville
Dundalk
Edgemere
Essex
Garrison
Hampton
Kingsville
Lansdowne
Lochearn
Lutherville
Mays Chapel
Middle River
Milford Mill
Overlea
Owings Mills
Parkville
Perry Hall
Pikesville
Randallstown
Reisterstown
Rosedale
Rossville
Timonium
Towson (county seat)
White Marsh
Woodlawn

Unincorporated communities
Although not formally Census-Designated Places, these other communities are known locally and, in many cases, have their own post offices and are shown on roadmaps:

Baldwin
Boring
Brooklandville
Butler
Chase
Fork
Fort Howard
Germantown
Glen Arm
Glencoe
Glyndon
Halethorpe
Hereford
Hunt Valley
Hydes
Jacksonville
Long Green
Maryland Line
Monkton
Nottingham
Oella
Parkton
Phoenix
Ruxton
Sparks
Sparrows Point
Stevenson
Turners Station
Upper Falls
Upperco
       

Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: roadman65 on May 08, 2018, 10:05:54 PM
The old name for CBS Studios in Hollywood was called Television City.  Then still you have neighborhoods in LA that are called Studio City and then Universal Studios is not even a neighborhood, but once, like CBS, was called Universal City.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: hotdogPi on May 08, 2018, 10:08:47 PM
Quote from: bing101 on May 08, 2018, 10:02:44 PM
missing the point

This thread is about cities or other locations that are named something they're not. Just because it's not a city doesn't make it qualify for this thread unless "City" (or another language equivalent) is actually in the name of the location.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: doorknob60 on May 10, 2018, 01:29:35 PM
Idaho:

Hill City - Not a city. Unincorporated community of 26 people. Basically it's nothing at all
Silver City - Ghost Town
Idaho City - Yes it's legally a city, and even the county seat of Boise County, but the name is still misleading (I wouldn't have listed it here if it didn't also have "Idaho" in the name, implying statewide significance). It's somewhat remote and has a population of only 485.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: freebrickproductions on May 10, 2018, 03:42:25 PM
Quote from: doorknob60 on May 10, 2018, 01:29:35 PM
Idaho:

Hill City - Not a city. Unincorporated community of 26 people. Basically it's nothing at all
Silver City - Ghost Town
Idaho City - Yes it's legally a city, and even the county seat of Boise County, but the name is still misleading (I wouldn't have listed it here if it didn't also have "Idaho" in the name, implying statewide significance). It's somewhat remote and has a population of only 485.
Alabama City, AL is just a neighborhood in Gadsden, AL.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: roadman65 on May 10, 2018, 07:06:12 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 08, 2018, 10:08:47 PM
Quote from: bing101 on May 08, 2018, 10:02:44 PM
missing the point

This thread is about cities or other locations that are named something they're not. Just because it's not a city doesn't make it qualify for this thread unless "City" (or another language equivalent) is actually in the name of the location.
Get used to it. Though we are not supposed to drift many of us do and derail many threads besides this one.  Not on purpose of course, except maybe a few trolls on here and we know who they are. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: kphoger on May 11, 2018, 01:40:43 PM
State College, PA
is not a college.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: michravera on May 11, 2018, 05:31:48 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 03, 2018, 09:08:02 AM
Quote from: lepidopteran on May 02, 2018, 07:56:27 PM
Meanwhile, on NBC, during the last 20 years that Johnny Carson hosted The Tonight Show, Ed McMahon's famous schpeil ending in "Heeeeere's Johnny!" used to begin with "Frommmmm Hollywood! The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson".  Only problem is, NBC's studios are on Alameda Ave. in Burbank -- this is in the San Fernando Valley, which is nowhere near Hollywood.

"From Burbank!" wouldn't have jibed well with Carson's regular jokes about Burbank, though.

"Rowan and Martin's Laugh In" made a point of "Beautiful Downtown Burbank".

Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: webny99 on May 11, 2018, 07:23:16 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 11, 2018, 01:40:43 PM
State College, PA
is not a college.

It has a state college though, so it hardly counts.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: kphoger on May 11, 2018, 07:25:27 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 11, 2018, 07:23:16 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 11, 2018, 01:40:43 PM
State College, PA
is not a college.

It has a state college though, so it hardly counts.

From the OP, then...  Liberal (KS) has a liberal.

...

At least, I think there might be.

...

One, at least.

...

Maybe.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: webny99 on May 11, 2018, 07:37:31 PM
"Liberal" is unlike "college" in that it can be both a noun and an adjective. So it depends on your interpretation.

Granted, Kansas is a very conservative state, so it's ironic regardless of the technicalities.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: kphoger on May 11, 2018, 08:54:32 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 11, 2018, 07:37:31 PM
"Liberal" is unlike "college" in that it can be both a noun and an adjective.

(https://emojipedia-us.s3.amazonaws.com/thumbs/160/apple/81/face-palm_1f926.png)

Only if you refer to State College as a "collegiate town."
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: hbelkins on May 12, 2018, 03:41:51 PM
Neither Iowa Center, nor State Center, are at the center of Iowa.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: roadman65 on May 13, 2018, 12:55:41 AM
Coney Island, NY.  Its a peninsula.

One could say Merit Island in FL is a peninsula, although it was a full island at one time as the construction of the crawlerway severed the Banana River which gave it land to the area off the island.

Frostproof, FL- Being we have had frost since El Nino in parts of Florida and in Central Florida where this Polk County city is located.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: Beltway on May 13, 2018, 07:21:22 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 13, 2018, 12:55:41 AM
One could say Merit Island in FL is a peninsula, although it was a full island at one time as the construction of the crawlerway severed the Banana River which gave it land to the area off the island.

Official histories also say it was an island converted to a peninsula by the construction of the Launch Complex 39 crawlerway, but I would question whether a manmade causeway counts as a true landmass.

I don't normally point out misspellings, but the name is Merritt Island.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: paulthemapguy on May 14, 2018, 02:42:14 PM
Farmer City, Illinois, always got a chuckle out of me.   :-D
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: TBKS1 on May 15, 2018, 12:12:44 AM
Delaware, Arkansas (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Delaware,+AR+72835/@35.2836955,-93.3075452,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x87cc5bb4cb9bee6b:0xfecd7f0b26474fba!8m2!3d35.2836967!4d-93.2987899) - No where near Delaware... or the Delaware River.

Another one that I think about is East London, EC, South Africa. (https://www.google.com/maps/place/East+London,+South+Africa/@-32.9555567,27.6405087,11z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x1e66e6fc26098303:0x62b7d874cc1a1b9f!8m2!3d-33.0291025!4d27.8546333) Do I really need to explain this one?
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: OracleUsr on May 16, 2018, 06:56:43 AM
This may be a stretch:

Vancouver, BC, isn't on Vancouver Island.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: oscar on May 16, 2018, 07:27:01 AM
Quote from: OracleUsr on May 16, 2018, 06:56:43 AM
This may be a stretch:

Vancouver, BC, isn't on Vancouver Island.

And in a similar vein, Victoria, BC isn't on Victoria Island (which is in the Canadian Arctic, split between the Northwest Territories and Nunavut Territory, rather than BC).
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: abefroman329 on May 16, 2018, 12:51:32 PM
Quote from: michravera on May 11, 2018, 05:31:48 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 03, 2018, 09:08:02 AM
Quote from: lepidopteran on May 02, 2018, 07:56:27 PM
Meanwhile, on NBC, during the last 20 years that Johnny Carson hosted The Tonight Show, Ed McMahon's famous schpeil ending in "Heeeeere's Johnny!" used to begin with "Frommmmm Hollywood! The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson".  Only problem is, NBC's studios are on Alameda Ave. in Burbank -- this is in the San Fernando Valley, which is nowhere near Hollywood.

"From Burbank!" wouldn't have jibed well with Carson's regular jokes about Burbank, though.

"Rowan and Martin's Laugh In" made a point of "Beautiful Downtown Burbank".

As a punchline to a joke and/or the butt of a joke, though.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: kphoger on May 16, 2018, 01:20:00 PM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on May 14, 2018, 02:42:14 PM
Farmer City, Illinois, always got a chuckle out of me.   :-D

Why?  Plenty of farmers around there, and that's their city.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: paulthemapguy on May 16, 2018, 01:24:27 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 16, 2018, 01:20:00 PM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on May 14, 2018, 02:42:14 PM
Farmer City, Illinois, always got a chuckle out of me.   :-D

Why?  Plenty of farmers around there, and that's their city.

WELCOME TO MY CITY

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgladstonefarms.com%2Fcontent%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F07%2Fbanner01.jpg&hash=63d34e0bcaacd681f58300536b3050c85fa3af23)
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: abefroman329 on May 16, 2018, 01:45:27 PM
So everyone who's single in Farmer City belongs to farmersonly.com?
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: Scott5114 on May 16, 2018, 07:38:53 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 11, 2018, 01:40:43 PM
State College, PA
is not a college.

It's not a state, either.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: plain on May 16, 2018, 09:28:01 PM
Isle Of Wight, VA is not an isle.

Deltaville, VA is not near a delta, only inlets.

Mt. Olive, NC is nowhere near the mountains.

Kill Devil Hills, NC is literally in the flattest part of the state.

Quote from: TBKS1 on May 15, 2018, 12:12:44 AM
Delaware, Arkansas (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Delaware,+AR+72835/@35.2836955,-93.3075452,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x87cc5bb4cb9bee6b:0xfecd7f0b26474fba!8m2!3d35.2836967!4d-93.2987899) - No where near Delaware... or the Delaware River.

I'm shocked no one mentioned Delaware, Ohio.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: Big John on May 16, 2018, 10:32:12 PM
If you are talking about a state-named city in another state, there is also Wyoming, Minnesota.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: Takumi on May 17, 2018, 08:14:28 AM
https://oppositelock.kinja.com/rondo-sybirakow-lodz-1826098901
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: WillWeaverRVA on May 17, 2018, 09:33:54 AM
Quote from: plain on May 16, 2018, 09:28:01 PM
Isle Of Wight, VA is not an isle.

Deltaville, VA is not near a delta, only inlets.

Mt. Olive, NC is nowhere near the mountains.

Kill Devil Hills, NC is literally in the flattest part of the state.

Quote from: TBKS1 on May 15, 2018, 12:12:44 AM
Delaware, Arkansas (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Delaware,+AR+72835/@35.2836955,-93.3075452,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x87cc5bb4cb9bee6b:0xfecd7f0b26474fba!8m2!3d35.2836967!4d-93.2987899) - No where near Delaware... or the Delaware River.

I'm shocked no one mentioned Delaware, Ohio.

There's also California, Pennsylvania and Indiana, Pennsylvania...also home to the California University of Pennsylvania and the Indiana University of Pennsylvania.

Chase City, VA is not a city - it's an incorporated town. Same deal with Stephens City, Gate City, and Weber City.

Pamplin, VA's name is officially the Town of Pamplin City. (It might be the smallest place in Virginia with a bannered primary route - it has a US 460 BUSINESS all to its own.)
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: hbelkins on May 17, 2018, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on May 17, 2018, 09:33:54 AM
Pamplin, VA's name is officially the Town of Pamplin City. (It might be the smallest place in Virginia with a bannered primary route - it has a US 460 BUSINESS all to its own.)

Not sure about that. Rose Hill and Ewing out in far southwestern Virginia have Business US 58.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: WillWeaverRVA on May 17, 2018, 11:18:48 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 17, 2018, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on May 17, 2018, 09:33:54 AM
Pamplin, VA's name is officially the Town of Pamplin City. (It might be the smallest place in Virginia with a bannered primary route - it has a US 460 BUSINESS all to its own.)

Not sure about that. Rose Hill and Ewing out in far southwestern Virginia have Business US 58.

Interestingly Pamplin has them both beat. Its population is 219; Rose Hill is 789 and Ewing is 439.

I'm actually wrong anyway, though, Eastville beats out Pamplin with only 168 people, and it has US 13 BUSINESS. I have no idea why I didn't remember that from the research I did on the "smallest town with a traffic light" thread...
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: roadman65 on May 17, 2018, 01:22:42 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 11, 2018, 07:25:27 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 11, 2018, 07:23:16 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 11, 2018, 01:40:43 PM
State College, PA
is not a college.

It has a state college though, so it hardly counts.

From the OP, then...  Liberal (KS) has a liberal.

...

At least, I think there might be.

...

One, at least.

...

Maybe.
I wonder if Rush Limbaugh would go there LOL! :-D :D
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: roadman65 on May 17, 2018, 01:24:44 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 16, 2018, 01:20:00 PM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on May 14, 2018, 02:42:14 PM
Farmer City, Illinois, always got a chuckle out of me.   :-D

Why?  Plenty of farmers around there, and that's their city.
Intercourse, PA and up the street there is a town Called Bird in Hand, PA.   :D
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: abefroman329 on May 17, 2018, 02:17:35 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 17, 2018, 01:22:42 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 11, 2018, 07:25:27 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 11, 2018, 07:23:16 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 11, 2018, 01:40:43 PM
State College, PA
is not a college.

It has a state college though, so it hardly counts.

From the OP, then...  Liberal (KS) has a liberal.

...

At least, I think there might be.

...

One, at least.

...

Maybe.
I wonder if Rush Limbaugh would go there LOL! :-D :D

I believe Bob Dole was from there, so...probably.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: kphoger on May 17, 2018, 02:44:22 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 17, 2018, 02:17:35 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 17, 2018, 01:22:42 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 11, 2018, 07:25:27 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 11, 2018, 07:23:16 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 11, 2018, 01:40:43 PM
State College, PA
is not a college.

It has a state college though, so it hardly counts.

From the OP, then...  Liberal (KS) has a liberal.

...

At least, I think there might be.

...

One, at least.

...

Maybe.
I wonder if Rush Limbaugh would go there LOL! :-D :D

I believe Bob Dole was from there, so...probably.

Bob Dole was from 200 miles away from Liberal.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: abefroman329 on May 17, 2018, 02:58:54 PM
Ah.  I could've sworn there was some kind of Bob Dole/Liberal, KS connection, guess not.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: kphoger on May 17, 2018, 03:09:35 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 17, 2018, 02:58:54 PM
Ah.  I could've sworn there was some kind of Bob Dole/Liberal, KS connection, guess not.

There's a VA clinic in Liberal named after him, but I think it really just takes its name from the VA center here in Wichita.  Other than that, I don't know what you might be thinking of.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: abefroman329 on May 17, 2018, 03:16:47 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 17, 2018, 03:09:35 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 17, 2018, 02:58:54 PM
Ah.  I could've sworn there was some kind of Bob Dole/Liberal, KS connection, guess not.

There's a VA clinic in Liberal named after him, but I think it really just takes its name from the VA center here in Wichita.  Other than that, I don't know what you might be thinking of.

Maybe he appeared there during a campaign for Senator or President, I couldn't tell you what it was either.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: michravera on May 19, 2018, 05:41:53 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 16, 2018, 12:51:32 PM
Quote from: michravera on May 11, 2018, 05:31:48 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 03, 2018, 09:08:02 AM
Quote from: lepidopteran on May 02, 2018, 07:56:27 PM
Meanwhile, on NBC, during the last 20 years that Johnny Carson hosted The Tonight Show, Ed McMahon's famous schpeil ending in "Heeeeere's Johnny!" used to begin with "Frommmmm Hollywood! The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson".  Only problem is, NBC's studios are on Alameda Ave. in Burbank -- this is in the San Fernando Valley, which is nowhere near Hollywood.

"From Burbank!" wouldn't have jibed well with Carson's regular jokes about Burbank, though.

"Rowan and Martin's Laugh In" made a point of "Beautiful Downtown Burbank".

As a punchline to a joke and/or the butt of a joke, though.

Not exactly. Gary Owens (the voice of Roget Ramjet as well as the "golden voice" West Coast announcer) would introduce the program as originating from Burbank. Sometimes, he would indicate that the show was hoping to avoid airing or whatever, but he was always apparently serious.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: US71 on May 20, 2018, 12:44:09 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 17, 2018, 02:58:54 PM
Ah.  I could've sworn there was some kind of Bob Dole/Liberal, KS connection, guess not.

Robert J. Dole VA Medical Center Liberal, KS

Also Dodge City, Hutchinson,  Hays, Parsons, Salina, and Wichita
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 20, 2018, 02:44:39 PM
Quote from: GenExpwy on April 28, 2018, 02:03:00 AM
New York:

Johnson City (next to Binghamton) – incorporated village, not a city
Java Village (Wyoming County) – unincorporated, not a village
New City (Rockland County) – unincorporated, not a city


I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Garden City (Nassau County), which is a village, rather than a city.

Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: dvferyance on May 21, 2018, 04:00:52 PM
I am confused of what this thread is about. Is it about cities with names that don't make sense or about large places that are not incorporated cities? with the later I can come up with Highlands Ranch Colorado population 110,000 but it's unincorporated.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: kphoger on May 21, 2018, 04:16:27 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on May 21, 2018, 04:00:52 PM
I am confused of what this thread is about. Is it about cities with names that don't make sense or about large places that are not incorporated cities? with the later I can come up with Highlands Ranch Colorado population 110,000 but it's unincorporated.

It's about cities with names that don't make sense w/r/t to what they are.

People talking about the official differences between villages, towns, cities, townships, unincorporated locales, and kibbutzim are just being pedantic.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: roadman65 on May 21, 2018, 08:38:22 PM
West Milford, NJ considering Milford,NJ is southwest of West Milford on the other side of the state.

North Bergen, NJ is not north of Bergen (that is a county to the west and north of North Bergen).

North Arlington, NJ is not north of any town named Arlington. Its north of Kearny, NJ.

Upper Freehold, NJ is not above Freehold (both township and Borough) but to the south-west of both redundantly named corporations (yes only in NJ duplicate municipal names can be used).

New Brunswick, NJ has no old Brunswick.  In fact North Brunswick is south of New Brunswick, but only because North Brunswick is north of South Brunswick does that township name make some sense.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: sparker on May 22, 2018, 05:08:11 PM
Weed, CA -- despite the state-level decriminalization of marijuana -- does not allow the cultivation, sale, or public use of such within their city limits (along with multiple other incorporated CA jurisdictions).  Thus standing below the famous "WEED" arch over US 97 while toking is done at one's own risk!
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: abefroman329 on May 22, 2018, 05:31:22 PM
Quote from: sparker on May 22, 2018, 05:08:11 PM
Thus standing below the famous "WEED" arch over US 97 while toking is done at one's own risk!

One would hope LEOs have better things to do, but noted.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on May 22, 2018, 06:00:19 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 21, 2018, 04:16:27 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on May 21, 2018, 04:00:52 PM
I am confused of what this thread is about. Is it about cities with names that don't make sense or about large places that are not incorporated cities? with the later I can come up with Highlands Ranch Colorado population 110,000 but it's unincorporated.

It's about cities with names that don't make sense w/r/t to what they are.

People talking about the official differences between villages, towns, cities, townships, unincorporated locales, and kibbutzim are just being pedantic.

Yup. That's why I brought the city town of Madrid, Spain :sombrero:. But going by what the OP meant, last Sunday I passed near Itsasondo in the Basque Country, Spain, supposedly meaning "by the sea" (from itsaso "sea"; and the suffix -ondo "by the", "next to") but located 20 odd miles inland (and indeed, the name actually means "next to the broom bush", the first part being the similar word itsas "broom bush").
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: kphoger on May 22, 2018, 07:28:25 PM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on May 22, 2018, 06:00:19 PM
last Sunday I passed near Itsasondo in the Basque Country, Spain, supposedly meaning "by the sea" (from itsaso "sea"; and the suffix -ondo "by the", "next to") but located 20 odd miles inland (and indeed, the name actually means "next to the broom bush", the first part being the similar word itsas "broom bush").

Inquiring minds want to know...  Was it by a broom bush?
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: jmd41280 on May 22, 2018, 11:39:30 PM
California, Indiana, and Oklahoma.  In this case, they are all towns in southwestern PA.  California and Indiana are both known for their rival state universities (California University of PA and Indiana University of PA).  California is located on the Monongahela River south of Pittsburgh.  Indiana is the birthplace of Jimmy Stewart and claims to be the "Christmas Tree Capital of the World".  Oklahoma is a small community in Westmoreland County northeast of Pittsburgh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California,_Pennsylvania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California,_Pennsylvania)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana,_Pennsylvania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana,_Pennsylvania)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma,_Pennsylvania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma,_Pennsylvania)
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: GenExpwy on May 23, 2018, 02:44:47 AM
North East, Pennsylvania, is in northwest Pennsylvania.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: webny99 on May 23, 2018, 11:15:45 AM
Quote from: GenExpwy on May 23, 2018, 02:44:47 AM
North East, Pennsylvania, is in northwest Pennsylvania.

I always assumed North East referred to its location within Erie County, not the state.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: freebrickproductions on May 23, 2018, 02:03:48 PM
Quote from: GenExpwy on May 23, 2018, 02:44:47 AM
North East, Pennsylvania, is in northwest Pennsylvania.
That reminds me, though it's slightly off topic.
In Georgia, there's a shortline railroad called the "Georgia Northeastern" which runs through...

...you guessed it...

...northwest Georgia. :bigass:
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: plain on May 23, 2018, 02:33:05 PM
Quote from: jmd41280 on May 22, 2018, 11:39:30 PM
California, Indiana, and Oklahoma.  In this case, they are all towns in southwestern PA.  California and Indiana are both known for their rival state universities (California University of PA and Indiana University of PA).  California is located on the Monongahela River south of Pittsburgh.  Indiana is the birthplace of Jimmy Stewart and claims to be the "Christmas Tree Capital of the World".  Oklahoma is a small community in Westmoreland County northeast of Pittsburgh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California,_Pennsylvania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California,_Pennsylvania)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana,_Pennsylvania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana,_Pennsylvania)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma,_Pennsylvania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma,_Pennsylvania)

Already posted, except Oklahoma...

Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on May 17, 2018, 09:33:54 AM
There's also California, Pennsylvania and Indiana, Pennsylvania...also home to the California University of Pennsylvania and the Indiana University of Pennsylvania.
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: jmd41280 on May 24, 2018, 08:21:50 AM
Quote from: plain on May 23, 2018, 02:33:05 PM
Quote from: jmd41280 on May 22, 2018, 11:39:30 PM
California, Indiana, and Oklahoma.  In this case, they are all towns in southwestern PA.  California and Indiana are both known for their rival state universities (California University of PA and Indiana University of PA).  California is located on the Monongahela River south of Pittsburgh.  Indiana is the birthplace of Jimmy Stewart and claims to be the "Christmas Tree Capital of the World".  Oklahoma is a small community in Westmoreland County northeast of Pittsburgh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California,_Pennsylvania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California,_Pennsylvania)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana,_Pennsylvania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana,_Pennsylvania)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma,_Pennsylvania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma,_Pennsylvania)

Already posted, except Oklahoma...

Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on May 17, 2018, 09:33:54 AM
There's also California, Pennsylvania and Indiana, Pennsylvania...also home to the California University of Pennsylvania and the Indiana University of Pennsylvania.

I totally missed that one.  I had even checked beforehand to see if they were already posted.  Obviously, I didn't do a good job of that...haha...
Title: Re: Cities that aren't
Post by: paulthemapguy on June 05, 2018, 04:03:27 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 21, 2018, 04:16:27 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on May 21, 2018, 04:00:52 PM
I am confused of what this thread is about. Is it about cities with names that don't make sense or about large places that are not incorporated cities? with the later I can come up with Highlands Ranch Colorado population 110,000 but it's unincorporated.

It's about cities with names that don't make sense w/r/t to what they are.

People talking about the official differences between villages, towns, cities, townships, unincorporated locales, and kibbutzim are just being pedantic.

Thank you!  I am now clear on this...over a month later lol

Brandon's post on "Village of __ City" makes sense with the criteria of the "city names that are nonsense," and I think people carried on from there.

And I won't continue the discussion on pedantry, because the worst kind of pedantry is the pedantry about what is and isn't pedantic  :bigass: :bigass: :bigass:

And if the nonsensical shoe fits towns with names shared with a state they're not in, Illinois has towns named Tennessee, Kansas, Wyoming, Oregon, Ohio, Vermont, and Virginia.  Also, Biggsville isn't big (though it's probably named for someone called "Biggs") :sombrero: