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Proposed US 412 Upgrade

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Plutonic Panda:

--- Quote from: froggie on May 22, 2021, 04:56:11 PM ---Disagree with your last part.  An Interstate-standard US 412 between the OK/AR line and I-49 would be  rather difficult to build due to topography and development both along and away from the existing roadway.

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This is going to have to happen one way or another be it an interstate designation or not. Tulsa needs to be connected to I-49(NWA) with a fully controlled access facility. Arkansas is seriously dropping the ball on this.

As for the question why is it needed, why is any interstate designation needed? I’ve long thought this to be a no brainer. I created a thread in Oklahoma section for it though not sure if it is needed or not. I suppose if this gains traction OK development of it can be tracked there. Arkansas will have the most challenging segments to construct. I’m excited for this.

I propose that it be designated I-494.


--- Quote from: US 89 on May 22, 2021, 03:21:42 PM ---
--- Quote from: Finrod on May 22, 2021, 03:13:59 PM ---Does anyone know how close the Cimarron Turnpike is to interstate standards?  That would be the segment from I-35 to Tulsa.

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Most of the Cimarron Turnpike has a cable barrier or even a grass median with no left shoulder.

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The design with the cable barrier median is likely what the remainder will get, and it will be sufficient enough for designation. The I-44 extension to Texas along the Bailey Turnpike had the raised grass median design in areas remaining until recently replaced with cable barrier.

That is good news. Hopefully they can keep the Tolls.

Plutonic Panda:
^^^ interstates should have no tolls with little to no exceptions. Tolls would defeat the entire purpose of luring development with the advantage of having an interstate designation.

The tolls need to be removed but honestly I see that has a little to no chance of happening. IMO, unfortunately, this current admin is likely to remove the requirement for no tolls on interstates so you should be happy. Im not.


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