US-41 Interstate Conversion

[triplemultiplex]

If they're also doing these upgrades north of I-43, why don't they just push for I-41 all the way to Abrams?

Because that would make sense.
(US 41/141 is a fully interstate compatible freeway north of I-43.)
Regardless, they should end US 141 at Abrams since it's continuation into Green Bay is pointless and needlessly adds another "41" to the area.

[SSOWorld]

141 goes through downtown Green Bay to I-43.  43 follows what used to be 141 to Milwaukee.

[Brandon]

141 goes through downtown Green Bay to I-43.  43 follows what used to be 141 to Milwaukee.

A better question is, does US-141 still serve a purpose in going downtown Green Bay, or would it be better served by truncating US-141 at Abrams and using a new state highway in downtown Green Bay as say, Wis-541?

[SEWIGuy]

141 goes through downtown Green Bay to I-43.  43 follows what used to be 141 to Milwaukee.

A better question is, does US-141 still serve a purpose in going downtown Green Bay, or would it be better served by truncating US-141 at Abrams and using a new state highway in downtown Green Bay as say, Wis-541?

It's even sillier than that.  From just off of I-43 southeast of the city, all the way to downtown Green Bay, US-141 duplexes with WI-29.  It really only runs alone on the streets of Green Bay from downtown, along Velp Avenue, to the US-41 freeway - a distance of maybe five miles.

Honestly, it doesn't even need a state highway designation.

[Molandfreak]

141 goes through downtown Green Bay to I-43.  43 follows what used to be 141 to Milwaukee.

A better question is, does US-141 still serve a purpose in going downtown Green Bay, or would it be better served by truncating US-141 at Abrams and using a new state highway in downtown Green Bay as say, Wis-541?

It's even sillier than that.  From just off of I-43 southeast of the city, all the way to downtown Green Bay, US-141 duplexes with WI-29.  It really only runs alone on the streets of Green Bay from downtown, along Velp Avenue, to the US-41 freeway - a distance of maybe five miles.

Honestly, it doesn't even need a state highway designation.

Yes, WI 29 serves the purpose of a "business I-43" just as well. 141's portion independent from that long stretch is just silly and redundant in my opinion, and it should have been taken over by the county and/or city a long time ago.

[triplemultiplex]

141 goes through downtown Green Bay to I-43.  43 follows what used to be 141 to Milwaukee.

Exactly. Pointless.
It's not even a useful path through downtown.  GB has Mason Street for that.

[mahaasma]

Soooo, just got an email that the US 41 Interstate Conversion website has been updated.  The page it took me to (http://www.dot.wi.gov/projects/neregion/41/index.htm) doesn't indicate any updates, except what appears to be a subtle change in the map.  The new interstate is listed as only I-41, with no other alternatives....

Is that because that's what WisDOT recommended?  Or because it's now official?

[Speedway99]

Oh well, I guess we won't see I-55 in Wisconsin after all. Why wouldn't they want a single number to Chicago, St. Louis, Memphis, and Jackson, and also keeping I41 open in ase it is ever needed. Also, Wisconsin doesn't even have an I-x5!

[Molandfreak]

Oh well, I guess we won't see I-55 in Wisconsin after all. Why wouldn't they want a single number to Chicago, St. Louis, Memphis, and Jackson, and also keeping I41 open in ase it is ever needed. Also, Wisconsin doesn't even have an I-x5!

This is exactly what should have happened in the perfect world; I agree with about 95 percent of it:

I still would have brought 55 up into WI, even with the current system.

[Big John]

Oh well, I guess we won't see I-55 in Wisconsin after all. Why wouldn't they want a single number to Chicago, St. Louis, Memphis, and Jackson, and also keeping I41 open in ase it is ever needed. Also, Wisconsin doesn't even have an I-x5!

That was the first choice for many in the corridor, but Illinois blocked that concept so Wisconsin had to go to an unused number and of those, 41 was the preferred choice.

[NE2]

That [I-55] was the first choice for many in the corridor,

[citation needed]
I would think most locals would prefer to keep the number 41.

[InterstateNG]

Also, Wisconsin doesn't even have an I-x5!

So?

As for what the locals prefer, I remember reading somewhere on this forum that they preferred 41 at a open house.

[Big John]

That [I-55] was the first choice for many in the corridor,

[citation needed]
I would think most locals would prefer to keep the number 41.

https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Interstate_55.html

[Big John]

Also, Wisconsin doesn't even have an I-x5!

So?

As for what the locals prefer, I remember reading somewhere on this forum that they preferred 41 at a open house.

At the open houses, 55 was already out so the only choices given to the public were 41, 47, 594 and 643.  Of those four, 41 was the strong preference.

[Molandfreak]

Also, Wisconsin doesn't even have an I-x5!

So?

This is a legit problem. The other states that don't have an I-x5 have significantly lower populations than Wisconsin. It's only fair.

[NE2]

That [I-55] was the first choice for many in the corridor,

[citation needed]
I would think most locals would prefer to keep the number 41.

https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Interstate_55.html

That's a Wikipedia mirror...
PS: it says "some local officials".

[Molandfreak]

PS: it says "some local officials".

Local officials, by definition, are people on the corridor :police:

[InterstateNG]

Also, Wisconsin doesn't even have an I-x5!

So?

This is a legit problem. The other states that don't have an I-x5 have significantly lower populations than Wisconsin. It's only fair.

Legit problem?  It's a number on a sign, not Brown v. The Board Of Education.

And if you feel the need (and I don't) to qualify prestige to interstate numbers, then it can easily be argued that x5 = x0, and Wisconsin has one of the latter.  Furthermore, it can be argued I-35 serves the state.

The numbering debate on this road is stupidly tedious.

[NE2]

PS: it says "some local officials".

Local officials, by definition, are people on the corridor :police:

Some, by definition, is not necessarily many.

(And obviously by many he means most, since otherwise his whole argument falls apart. But maybe I assume too much about his logical skills.)

[Molandfreak]

PS: it says "some local officials".

Local officials, by definition, are people on the corridor :police:

Some, by definition, is not necessarily many.

(And obviously by many he means most, since otherwise his whole argument falls apart. But maybe I assume too much about his logical skills.)

How could you possibly get a source on the statistics of what people want to use for a corridor number?

And if there is such a thing, how many people would have done this:

What would you like the U.S. 41 corridor to be renumbered when it becomes an interstate?

• I-41
• I-47
• I-594
• I-643
• An extension of I-55
• An extension of I-57
• An extension of I-65
• Keep as U.S. 41
• I don't care ☑

Also, Wisconsin doesn't even have an I-x5!

So?

This is a legit problem. The other states that don't have an I-x5 have significantly lower populations than Wisconsin. It's only fair.

Legit problem?  It's a number on a sign, not Brown v. The Board Of Education.

And if you feel the need (and I don't) to qualify prestige to interstate numbers, then it can easily be argued that x5 = x0, and Wisconsin has one of the latter.  Furthermore, it can be argued I-35 serves the state.

The numbering debate on this road is stupidly tedious.

Yeah, I do understand where you're coming from, and I agree about I-90 serving as the functional equivalent.

It's just... If my state got three main north-south highways on a nationwide system in 1927, and zero for its successor in 1957, I might be pretty dang pissed off

I guess if WI was good enough for three back in the day, why isn't it good enough for one today?

[NE2]

How could you possibly get a source on the statistics of what people want to use for a corridor number?

Ask them. If you don't have any statistics, stop caring.

[Molandfreak]

How could you possibly get a source on the statistics of what people want to use for a corridor number?

Ask them. If you don't have any statistics, stop caring.

Lol, true

[SSOWorld]

Please stay on topic guys - The topic is about the Interstate conversion for US 41 in Wisconsin.

thank you

[Molandfreak]

Please stay on topic guys - The topic is about the Interstate conversion for US 41 in Wisconsin.

thank you

Thank you!!!

[SEWIGuy]

Please stay on topic guys - The topic is about the Interstate conversion for US 41 in Wisconsin.

thank you

The numbering of such has been debated before in this topic without it being red-flagged.