Well, Fresno is the largest without an Interstate, but it has CA-99.
My possibilities for cities with no freeway at all:
Cambridge, MA. I can't tell if it touches the freeway part of MA 2, though.
Lynn, MA. No freeway at all, population 90000.
(Side note: Should we keep this to the US only or should this include the whole world?)
Florence, AL
Quote from: US 41 on December 22, 2013, 08:55:36 PM
Florence, AL
Population is about 40000. Not quite as high.
Clearwater, FL
Cape Coral, FL
Quote from: 1 on December 22, 2013, 08:35:21 PM
(Side note: Should we keep this to the US only or should this include the whole world?)
We had this: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=8563.msg200537#msg200537 (next page too)
Quote from: 1 on December 22, 2013, 08:35:21 PM
Cambridge, MA. I can't tell if it touches the freeway part of MA 2, though.
If you want to be anal, US 1 enters East Cambridge.
Quote from: Molandfreak on December 22, 2013, 09:18:55 PM
Clearwater, FL
US 19...
Quote from: NE2 on December 22, 2013, 10:39:15 PM
Quote from: Molandfreak on December 22, 2013, 09:18:55 PM
Clearwater, FL
US 19...
Ah, now I see it, and it does appear to be freeway. Regardless, Cape Coral is likely the most populous city in the U.S. without a freeway.
Bend Oregon if you want a more classic example. No freeways anywhere near the city.
Cape Coral is served by I-9575. What is the largest city that is not served by a freeway?
Quote from: bugo on December 22, 2013, 11:42:24 PM
Cape Coral is served by I-95. What is the largest city that is not served by a freeway?
You mean I-75?
Quote from: bugo on December 22, 2013, 11:42:24 PM
Cape Coral is served by I-95. What is the largest city that is not served by a freeway?
http://goo.gl/maps/eXfJH I-
75 barely misses the city limits, and no other freeways come close to the city. I-95 is on the other end of the state.
Quote from: thisdj78 on December 22, 2013, 11:39:26 PM
Bend Oregon if you want a more classic example. No freeways anywhere near the city.
Except for the Bend Parkway north of Reed (or Lafayette if you have a problem with RIROs). That's somewhere between 3 and 5 miles of freeway.
Quote from: Molandfreak on December 22, 2013, 11:47:02 PM
http://goo.gl/maps/eXfJH I-75 barely misses the city limits, and no other freeways come close to the city.
One could argue that the Midpoint Memorial Bridge (CR 884) is a freeway, with an interchange at each end. I probably wouldn't count it.
Frisco, Texas (pop. 130,000). No FREEways, but two tollways.
Quote from: Road Hog on December 23, 2013, 01:29:02 AM
Frisco, Texas (pop. 130,000). No FREEways, but two tollways.
Those are freeways with tolls.
The word "freeway" refers to the free flow of traffic, not to its method of finance. A toll road with controlled access is indeed a freeway.
I assume large cities means 100 K or more for this forum?
Quote from: roadman65 on December 23, 2013, 02:22:29 AM
I assume large cities means 100 K or more for this forum?
Who said anything about large cities?
I was wondering when the OP meant "Largest Cities" if he was referring to those over that.
Remember the one post where many of us got into it, it had to do with something similar about large cities not being served by interstates. Many of us had our own definition of what a large city should be, and we all disagreed to some point of what that is being the OP was very broad and not being more specific in his thread topic.
Anyway, Panama City, FL is not served by any freeway of sort. It is not yet 100 K in population (unless you want to count tourists who visit there into the mix), but it is a large city compared to what is nearby.
No, he means the LARGEST city. As in the one that is larger than all the others.
Guessing Kentucky's entry would be Ashland.
I'm curious to know largest cities not served by a freeway <30 miles away.....that's what popped up in my mind when I read the title.
Within the state of Georgia...
The largest city without a freeway appears to be Johns Creek (2010 census: 76,728). But that's pretty clearly an Atlanta suburb, so we'll strike that. Next on the list, then, would be Peachtree City (34,364). You could arguably call that a suburb as well; if so, then the state's winner is Hinesville (33,437). Mind you, even Hinesville is within about ten miles of I-95; I can't find any city over 20,000 that's more than about ten miles from a freeway.
Quote from: bugo on December 23, 2013, 01:34:54 AM
The word "freeway" refers to the free flow of traffic, not to its method of finance. A toll road with controlled access is indeed a freeway.
Ok maybe that's true but in principle i disagree a freeway must not carry tolls to be called a freeway. otherwise you call it a "tollway" or toll expressway if we are getting technical.
In Iowa, it would have to be Dubuque Marshalltown (oh hey, US-30 is a freeway there) Clinton.
Huntington Beach is a half mile or so away from qualifying, but parts of the northern end include tiny segments of I-405.
Clovis used to count until the Route 168 freeway was built about 15 years ago.
Hemet thus is California's largest city without a freeway of any sort (78K population, 96th largest in the state), with I-215 running 8 miles to the west of the city limits, and I-10 12 miles to the north of the north city limit.
EDIT: There IS an interchange 6 miles north of the city limit, at Route 79 and Gilman Springs Road (1964-1965 Route 177, pre-1964 Route 79) north of San Jacinto. Still, nowhere in Perris itself.
Quote from: 1 on December 22, 2013, 08:35:21 PM
(Side note: Should we keep this to the US only or should this include the whole world?)
the international question has been broached. I think the answer turned out to be Dhaka, Bangladesh.
Quote from: Indyroads on December 23, 2013, 11:23:30 AM
Quote from: bugo on December 23, 2013, 01:34:54 AM
The word "freeway" refers to the free flow of traffic, not to its method of finance. A toll road with controlled access is indeed a freeway.
Ok maybe that's true but in principle i disagree a freeway must not carry tolls to be called a freeway. otherwise you call it a "tollway" or toll expressway if we are getting technical.
"If we are getting technical," a freeway is as previously defined. You just shot your own argument in the head.
For NJ, it's the 35th largest municipality, Plainfield, pop. just under 50K and located along US 22. I-78 is less than 2 miles away, though. I don't have the patience to read the entire list for proximity.
I would include nearby freeways as freeways (yes, tollways included) as serving said municipality.
For Illinois, some of the larger ones include:
Carbondale
Charleston
Freeport (The US-20 bypass does however have interchanges)
Woodstock
Crystal Lake
Algonquin
McHenry
Of these, Crystal Lake is the largest.
Not in the US, but Winnipeg according to the 2014 RandMcnally Road Atlas doesn't have any freeways and it has a population of 663,617.
Quote from: US 41 on December 23, 2013, 07:36:49 PM
Not in the US, but Winnipeg according to the 2014 RandMcnally Road Atlas doesn't have any freeways and it has a population of 663,617.
No longer true. The west side of the Perimeter Hwy. (101) has been upgraded to full freeway.
Quote from: Steve on December 23, 2013, 07:46:44 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 23, 2013, 07:36:49 PM
Not in the US, but Winnipeg according to the 2014 RandMcnally Road Atlas doesn't have any freeways and it has a population of 663,617.
No longer true. The west side of the Perimeter Hwy. (101) has been upgraded to full freeway.
Are the RIROs still present?
Quote from: NE2 on December 23, 2013, 07:49:33 PM
Quote from: Steve on December 23, 2013, 07:46:44 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 23, 2013, 07:36:49 PM
Not in the US, but Winnipeg according to the 2014 RandMcnally Road Atlas doesn't have any freeways and it has a population of 663,617.
No longer true. The west side of the Perimeter Hwy. (101) has been upgraded to full freeway.
Are the RIROs still present?
There might be one or two left. That's something I did not take note of when I was out there.
Rio Rancho, NM- Pop 90,000
La Habra, CA- Pop 61,300
Poway, CA- Pop 47,800
Huntington Park, CA- Pop 58,700
Palm Desert, CA (I-10 runs very close to the city boundary)- Pop 50,000
San Jacinto, CA- Pop 45,400
And Hemet, CA which "TheStranger" mentioned earlier.
One that's not a suburb in the ordinary sense (but also not incorporated as a city/town/etc., though it has a well-defined boundary): The Villages, FL, 51K population. Florida's state song describes it perfectly: Old Folks at Home. It's also the Teabaggistani capital.
Greeley CO. Population 109,000. There is a U.S. 85 bypass, but it's just expressway.
Quote from: NE2 on December 26, 2013, 04:56:07 AM
One that's not a suburb in the ordinary sense (but also not incorporated as a city/town/etc., though it has a well-defined boundary): The Villages, FL, 51K population. Florida's state song describes it perfectly: Old Folks at Home. It's also the Teabaggistani capital.
It is also running neck in neck with Belle Glade for STD's race.
Here's a more or less comprehensive list of California cities with no freeways, using 35,000 as the arbitrary cutoff:
Hemet, Riverside County - 78,657
La Habra, Orange County - 60,239
Gardena, Los Angeles County - 58,829
Huntington Park, Los Angeles County - 58,114
Palm Desert, Riverside County - 48,445
Poway, San Diego County - 47,811
Cypress, Orange County - 47,802
San Jacinto, Riverside County - 44,199
Lompoc, Santa Barbara County - 42,434
Rancho Palos Verdes, Los Angeles County - 41,643
Calexico, Imperial County - 38,572
Stanton, Orange County - 38,186
La Quinta, Riverside County - 37,467
Los Banos, Merced County - 35,972
Temple City, Los Angeles, County - 35,558
Expanding on that, Hemet is the only Census-defined Urban Area in California that has no freeways within its boundaries (pop. 163,379).
For Mississippi, it would be Greenville (pop. around 34K).
West Jordan, UT- Pop 108,000
The Woodlands, TX- Pop 105,000
Tyler, TX- Pop 100,000
Quote from: golden eagle on December 26, 2013, 07:11:44 PM
For Mississippi, it would be Greenville (pop. around 34K).
Currently has a US 82 bypass being built (but stalled).
For Washington, Sammamish, WA (which doesn't have a post office) with almost 50,000. SR-520 and I-90 comes close, but not quite. Next would be Edmonds (isolated from I-5; SR-104 connects I-5 to the ferry terminal, but it's not a freeway) and then Bremerton if SR-3 doesn't enter its city limits.
Quote from: NE2 on December 26, 2013, 07:52:05 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on December 26, 2013, 07:11:44 PM
For Mississippi, it would be Greenville (pop. around 34K).
Currently has a US 82 bypass being built (but stalled).
But for now...
Once the bypass is built, I believe the city in line will be Natchez.
Bend .OR (80,000)
Roswell, NM (48,000)
Lewiston, ID (30,000)
Logan ,UT (35,000)
Sierra Vista, AZ (35,000)
Quote from: sandiaman on December 27, 2013, 06:27:01 PM
Bend .OR (80,000)
Roswell, NM (48,000)
Lewiston, ID (30,000)
Logan ,UT (35,000)
Sierra Vista, AZ (35,000)
US 97 is a full freeway through much of Bend, OR.
Mike
Finding suburbs where the freeways just barely miss the corporate boundary seems like a cop out. Great, we found 70,000 people between the spokes of a metro area's freeway system. I think it's more interesting to find those Roswells and Lewistons and Sierra Vistas that are off on their own and have nothing freeway-like at all.
For example, in Wisconsin, the largest city that 'technically' doesn't have a freeway is the Milwaukee suburb of Franklin (~35k). But just barely, so who cares? Wisconsin Rapids (~18k), on the other hand, is the more interesting example because it's the largest city not served by any freeway at all in the state. (Marshfield is larger by a little bit and now has a couple miles of freeway on US 10 flanking the one interchange). The fact that every community over 20k in the state is served, directly or almost directly by freeway mileage is an interesting statistic worth comparing.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 31, 2013, 12:42:13 PM
Finding suburbs where the freeways just barely miss the corporate boundary seems like a cop out.
In that case, the
"Longest Distance from the Closest City/Town boundary to Any Limited-Access Highway, Yet Still Big Enough to Have Significant Population (like a McDonald's or a couple of stoplights)" might be the best way to phrase the topic, except that's as wide-open as a topic could get.
Maybe "Largest city with no ramps within 10 miles"? Would that be the same thing?
Quote from: 1 on December 31, 2013, 04:32:06 PM
Maybe "Largest city with no ramps within 10 miles"? Would that be the same thing?
That would knock out places that have quasi-interchanges between two streets.
Kinshasa, Congo has a population of 9 million and no freeways, I don't think they even have one interchange. Many African cities do have a few interchanges even if they don't have any real freeways.
Dhaka, Bangladesh has no real freeways, but they do have a couple of flyover-type roads.
Quote from: formulanone on December 31, 2013, 04:27:39 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 31, 2013, 12:42:13 PM
Finding suburbs where the freeways just barely miss the corporate boundary seems like a cop out.
In that case, the
"Longest Distance from the Closest City/Town boundary to Any Limited-Access Highway, Yet Still Big Enough to Have Significant Population (like a McDonald's or a couple of stoplights)"
might be the best way to phrase the topic, except that's as wide-open as a topic could get.
for all points A on the surface of the Earth: find the nearest point B which is located on a freeway. construct a circle with center A, and B on its edge. count the number of people in this circle. find the point A for which this value is a maximum. there is your answer.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on December 31, 2013, 05:56:17 PM
Quote from: formulanone on December 31, 2013, 04:27:39 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 31, 2013, 12:42:13 PM
Finding suburbs where the freeways just barely miss the corporate boundary seems like a cop out.
In that case, the
"Longest Distance from the Closest City/Town boundary to Any Limited-Access Highway, Yet Still Big Enough to Have Significant Population (like a McDonald's or a couple of stoplights)"
might be the best way to phrase the topic, except that's as wide-open as a topic could get.
for all points A on the surface of the Earth: find the nearest point B which is located on a freeway. construct a circle with center A, and B on its edge. count the number of people in this circle. find the point A for which this value is a maximum. there is your answer.
For the United States, I think it would be centered in Brooklyn. Of course, that's not the whole world.
Quote from: 1 on December 31, 2013, 06:24:17 PM
For the United States, I think it would be centered in Brooklyn. Of course, that's not the whole world.
there may be a way to compensate for extreme population density to bring the metric back in line with what the question is attempting to intend. for each person in the circle, don't just count "1" but rather something like their distance from the point, or the reciprocal of that distance, or whatever. things can be tuned.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on December 31, 2013, 05:56:17 PM
Quote from: formulanone on December 31, 2013, 04:27:39 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 31, 2013, 12:42:13 PM
Finding suburbs where the freeways just barely miss the corporate boundary seems like a cop out.
In that case, the
"Longest Distance from the Closest City/Town boundary to Any Limited-Access Highway, Yet Still Big Enough to Have Significant Population (like a McDonald's or a couple of stoplights)"
might be the best way to phrase the topic, except that's as wide-open as a topic could get.
for all points A on the surface of the Earth: find the nearest point B which is located on a freeway. construct a circle with center A, and B on its edge. count the number of people in this circle. find the point A for which this value is a maximum. there is your answer.
*stands immediately next to the freeway, wins*
Quote from: mgk920 on December 27, 2013, 11:07:42 PM
Quote from: sandiaman on December 27, 2013, 06:27:01 PM
Bend .OR (80,000)
Roswell, NM (48,000)
Lewiston, ID (30,000)
Logan ,UT (35,000)
Sierra Vista, AZ (35,000)
US 97 is a full freeway through much of Bend, OR.
Mike
Yep, Bend's disqualified.
Aloha, however, makes the cut. It is, however, unincorporated, but it is its own distinct geographical place.
Hillsboro disqualifies: US 26 runs along its northern boundary.
Aloha's just another suburb.
Quote from: Bigmikelakers on December 26, 2013, 07:48:22 PM
The Woodlands, TX- Pop 105,000
Tyler, TX- Pop 100,000
The 2010 Census boundaries for The Woodlands are drawn down the centerline of the I-45 west frontage in places and include the ends of the direct connectors to/from Woodlands Parkway. To say it doesn't have a freeway is really splitting hairs.
There's a portion of Texas 49 within the city limits of Tyler, including the junction with US 69.
Wylie (44,000) and Keller (42,000) are the largest cities without a freeway in or next to the city limits, but they're both in the DFW metroplex, so there's plenty of freeways around.
Del Rio (35,000) seems to be the largest without any freeways in the immediate area.
Quote from: KEK Inc. on December 26, 2013, 07:55:07 PM
For Washington, Sammamish, WA (which doesn't have a post office) with almost 50,000. SR-520 and I-90 comes close, but not quite. Next would be Edmonds (isolated from I-5; SR-104 connects I-5 to the ferry terminal, but it's not a freeway) and then Bremerton if SR-3 doesn't enter its city limits.
Wenatchee has 32,000 and no freeways as close as they are to Sammamish or Edmonds.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 31, 2013, 12:42:13 PM
Finding suburbs where the freeways just barely miss the corporate boundary seems like a cop out. Great, we found 70,000 people between the spokes of a metro area's freeway system. I think it's more interesting to find those Roswells and Lewistons and Sierra Vistas that are off on their own and have nothing freeway-like at all.
For example, in Wisconsin, the largest city that 'technically' doesn't have a freeway is the Milwaukee suburb of Franklin (~35k). But just barely, so who cares? Wisconsin Rapids (~18k), on the other hand, is the more interesting example because it's the largest city not served by any freeway at all in the state. (Marshfield is larger by a little bit and now has a couple miles of freeway on US 10 flanking the one interchange). The fact that every community over 20k in the state is served, directly or almost directly by freeway mileage is an interesting statistic worth comparing.
Nope - Racine (2010 USCensus 78,860) has no freeways within its corporate limits. I-41/94 passes well west of the city.
Mike
Largest in Connecticut is Bristol (CT 72 freeway section ends just short of the Bristol TL in Plainville).
Population estimate in 2013: 60,568 (state rank: 13)
Beyond that, there's a steep dropoff:
New Milford: 27,474 (39)
Ridgefield: 25,205 (45)
Simsbury: 23,975 (47)
Monroe: 19,867 (57)
78 of the top 100 towns are served by a freeway. 109 of 169 towns overall have a freeway.
Hockessin DE has 13,427
Long Beach NY has 33,552
Keene NH has 23,419
In Minnesota it's Andover (33K), which is also the largest city in the state without any state maintained roads.
Really wish we had a freeway in my city of 700 000. To be fair, some parts are expressway status (a few minor farm roads at-grade, with cloverleafs), but that's as good as it gets.
Probably the largest up here.
Quote from: NE2 on December 26, 2013, 04:56:07 AM
One that's not a suburb in the ordinary sense (but also not incorporated as a city/town/etc., though it has a well-defined boundary): The Villages, FL, 51K population. Florida's state song describes it perfectly: Old Folks at Home. It's also the Teabaggistani capital.
Also some of the highest rates of STDs in the state of Florida.. Granny and grandad are getting busy!
My friend was a nurse practitioner there. They are not worried at all about pregnancy, who needs protection
Quote from: NE2 on December 26, 2013, 04:56:07 AM
One that's not a suburb in the ordinary sense (but also not incorporated as a city/town/etc., though it has a well-defined boundary): The Villages, FL, 51K population.
It is (they are?) expanding rapidly toward the Turnpike, though, so that may no longer be true within a decade or so.
In Georgia's case, it might actually be Warner Robins (population 66,588 in 2010), as the city seems to have deliberately avoided annexing the I-75 right-of-way even though there is at least one parcel west of I-75 that is in the city limits somehow. That said, as discussed above Peachtree City is probably the biggest city in the state without any real freeway service (and it probably needs it).
For Nebraska, Grand Island doesn't get as far south as I-80, so that would have to be it. It does have a couple of interchanges, though. Hastings probably has a more legitimate claim to that title, though.
Quote from: SignGeek101 on May 13, 2016, 10:21:11 PM
Really wish we had a freeway in my city of 700 000. To be fair, some parts are expressway status (a few minor farm roads at-grade, with cloverleafs), but that's as good as it gets.
Probably the largest up here.
If they ever get rid of the at-grades on Winnipeg's beltway...
In Michigan, discounting suburbs, contenders include:
Adrian
Alpena
Escanaba
Iron Mountain
Marquette
Traverse City
McHenry County, IL, a 300k+ population county, has a little bit of I-90 going thru it but no interchange. All the larger municipalities except for Huntley (which has an interchange at IL 47 in its Kane County portion) could be in the running, especially if you look at distance to the nearest. Crystal Lake, McHenry, Woodstock?
For Ohio, the winner would be Delaware (36,459). Although US-23 does have a short limited-access section through the center of town, it is not "colored" as such on Google Maps. There was apparently a plan once to make US-23 part of a new I-73 by connecting it to I-71 south of the reservoir, but by now I doubt that will ever happen.
An even greater winner would be Hamilton (62,258), but a lateral freeway was built to connect it to I-75, though granted it does not touch the city limits.
Next would be Oxford (21,740).
In Pennsylvania, the hands-down winner appears to be Lebanon, at 25,524.
Dothan, Alabama seems to one of the largest population centers (65,000) without any freeways, with distant freeway access. Throw in the Ozark Micropolitan area, and it exceeds 140,000.
Even from the southernmost reaches of its incorporated borders, it's still about 29-30 miles north of I-10, using the most direct route.
Quote from: Rick Powell on May 23, 2016, 06:45:23 PM
McHenry County, IL, a 300k+ population county, has a little bit of I-90 going thru it but no interchange. All the larger municipalities except for Huntley (which has an interchange at IL 47 in its Kane County portion) could be in the running, especially if you look at distance to the nearest. Crystal Lake, McHenry, Woodstock?
But there is an interchange planned at IL-23.
Quote from: djlynch on January 18, 2014, 02:57:49 AM
Del Rio (35,000) seems to be the largest without any freeways in the immediate area.
Go just a few miles to the other side of the border, and Ciudad Acuña has a population of 180,000 but no freeway.
In Mexico, the city of Aguascalientes is well known for having a population of more than 900,000 (metro more than 1 million) but no freeway.