Sheetz.
So what is the big deal, anyway?
Sheetz? I went there once, it wasn't too bad, but not the best. I still root for Wawa here in Philly :P
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 07, 2010, 12:08:05 AM
Sheetz.
So what is the big deal, anyway?
you can order food electronically directly at the pump, while the gasoline is flowing. It is charged directly to your card, along with the gas. Walk in, grab food, walk out, on your way. It's extraordinarily efficient. And their hot dogs are awesome.
I'd say mostly the quality of their food. I'll take an MTO (and some "Fryz") over Subway any day of the week. Or really any fast food place. (I'd def. go out of my way to get to a Sheetz instead of, say, McDonald's.)
And often times, their gas prices can't be beat (though a lot of the time they'll be "tied")
Quoteyou can order food electronically directly at the pump
Only at the newer ones. There's quite a few where you can't order @ the pump.
But even when you have to order inside, they still have a pretty efficient system going.
Quote from: PennDOTFan on August 07, 2010, 12:36:03 AM
Sheetz? I went there once, it wasn't too bad, but not the best. I still root for Wawa here in Philly :P
Wawa is no longer going to be a Philly area/south Jersey thing...northern New Jersey is going to get one in November! Right near my house! I'm excited!
Before I knew for sure that it was a Wawa coming in, I suspected so because of the distinct slanted canopy for the gas station part.
Quote from: yanksfan6129 on August 07, 2010, 12:36:23 PM
Quote from: PennDOTFan on August 07, 2010, 12:36:03 AM
Sheetz? I went there once, it wasn't too bad, but not the best. I still root for Wawa here in Philly :P
Wawa is no longer going to be a Philly area/south Jersey thing...northern New Jersey is going to get one in November! Right near my house! I'm excited!
Heh, congratulations! I remember seeing signs on I-95 for a Wawa all the way down in Richmond, VA. I never knew they went that far south!
Quote from: yanksfan6129 on August 07, 2010, 12:36:23 PM
Wawa is no longer going to be a Philly area/south Jersey thing...northern New Jersey is going to get one in November! Right near my house! I'm excited!
I think there were a lot of Wawas in North Jersey (at least Middlesex/Union Counties) but some I've seen turned into "Pantry 1" (they kept the old-style building so it was obvious what they were previously), here's (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=40.606567,-74.322156&spn=0.001564,0.003484&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=40.60666,-74.32298&panoid=9ju3b12tvGdYIbD82Er5zQ&cbp=12,15.45,,0,5) an example in Clark, NJ.
Quote from: Mr. Matté on August 07, 2010, 01:01:50 PM
I think there were a lot of Wawas in North Jersey (at least Middlesex/Union Counties) but some I've seen turned into "Pantry 1" (they kept the old-style building so it was obvious what they were previously), here's (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=40.606567,-74.322156&spn=0.001564,0.003484&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=40.60666,-74.32298&panoid=9ju3b12tvGdYIbD82Er5zQ&cbp=12,15.45,,0,5) an example in Clark, NJ.
There is also a former Wawa (now Pantry 1) in Middlesex Boro at the corner of Lincoln Ave. and Raritan Ave. Its good to hear they are heading north, 7-Eleven and Quikcheck simply aren't the same.
As for Sheetz.... some of their stations take cash at the pump now, which is nifty.
Their MTOs are much better than Subway, not only in taste but in value. Aside from being able to order food from the pumps, you can also buy a car wash (at ones with those facilities).
I doubt Wawa will ever make it this far west in PA, but GetGo (http://www.get-go.com/) is beginning to build locations like the mega-Sheetz complete with GetGo Kitckens (http://www.get-go.com/Article.aspx?cntid=196801).
Quote from: Mr. Matté on August 07, 2010, 01:01:50 PM
Quote from: yanksfan6129 on August 07, 2010, 12:36:23 PM
Wawa is no longer going to be a Philly area/south Jersey thing...northern New Jersey is going to get one in November! Right near my house! I'm excited!
I think there were a lot of Wawas in North Jersey (at least Middlesex/Union Counties) but some I've seen turned into "Pantry 1" (they kept the old-style building so it was obvious what they were previously), here's (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=40.606567,-74.322156&spn=0.001564,0.003484&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=40.60666,-74.32298&panoid=9ju3b12tvGdYIbD82Er5zQ&cbp=12,15.45,,0,5) an example in Clark, NJ.
There was a Wawa two blocks from my grandmother's house on Staten Island 20 years ago. Where in North Jersey are they coming to? And is there really one in Clark? (I grew up in Scotch Plains, parents still live there.) Haven't come across any north of Branchburg and Rocky Hill in recent years.
Quote from: PennDOTFan on August 07, 2010, 12:41:10 PM
Heh, congratulations! I remember seeing signs on I-95 for a Wawa all the way down in Richmond, VA. I never knew they went that far south!
We have a ton of Wawas here in Hampton Roads. I stop at the one on US 17 at I-64 in Newport News regularly.
Never been to a Sheetz though, and I'd never even heard of one until this forum.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 07, 2010, 12:08:05 AM
Sheetz.
So what is the big deal, anyway?
It is as simple as rather than trying to smoke out the very last dollar with minimum effort, as most businesses do, doing a good job for the customer. In every aspect of what it does, Sheetz simply tries harder to help me, the customer. Reasonable, by conv store standards, prices. Great food. Smart (because they pay well above the minimum wage) clerks. Good selections. Clean stores and restrooms. Well stocked selections of needed items. Friendly staffs. Simply doing right, rather than what the conv. store business now is, and the fast food business is fast becoming, which is a minimum effort operation.
Do they charge for ice? Wawa doesn't. Charging for ice is lame.
(I'm being flippant. I like Sheetz when I'm in their territory, but the nearest one is 50 miles away. I really don't remember whether they charge for ice. And charging for ice really is lame.)
QuoteWawa is no longer going to be a Philly area/south Jersey thing
They haven't for awhile. There's some Wawa's in Prince William County, plus a couple near Waldorf, MD, and several down in Hampton Roads that DTP already mentioned.
The one in Dale City usually has the cheapest gas in the Dale City/Woodbridge area. Only about a mile off I-95 too. I often stop there when I head southwest.
QuoteNever been to a Sheetz though, and I'd never even heard of one until this forum.
Not surprising when the nearest one to Hampton Roads is in the Petersburg area.
I was first introduced to Sheetz by an ex girlfriend who was originally from the Lancaster, PA area. When we'd go back to her "home" to visit her mom, several trips to Sheetz were in order. Their MTO's were second to none and I seem to remember their gas prices being good for the area. It's been years since I've been to one though...about 8-9 years. This new ordering food at the pump sounds intriguing though. Almost makes me want to take a road trip to a Sheetz to give it a shot.
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 08, 2010, 09:52:57 AMDo they charge for ice? Wawa doesn't. Charging for ice is lame.
I believe they do.
Quote from: SP Cook on August 08, 2010, 09:42:58 AM
Clean stores and restrooms.
Though sometimes they forget to restock the towel dispensers. You can ask [Steeler's kicker] Jeff Reed about that.
Concerning the ice, are we talking about bags of ice, or just a cup of ice???
They also offer free "air". Most other places I've ever been (not that I need to inflate the tires that often) charge at least a quarter.
Quote from: Mr_Northside on August 08, 2010, 08:34:27 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on August 08, 2010, 09:42:58 AM
Clean stores and restrooms.
They also offer free "air". Most other places I've ever been (not that I need to inflate the tires that often) charge at least a quarter.
The 7-11 just down the street from here offers free air. On the other hand I'd never eat food from the 7-11, but Sheetz' subs are awesome.
MTO. No competition. I wish we had Sheetz in Columbus...always a treat when traveling to PA, MD, or WV.
Quote from: PAHighways on August 08, 2010, 08:01:31 PM
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 08, 2010, 09:52:57 AMDo they charge for ice? Wawa doesn't. Charging for ice is lame.
I believe they do.
I was at a Sheetz near York earlier this evening. I was
not charged for a cup of ice (with a food-and-canned-drink purchase).
Sheetz doesn't charge for ice here either. I used to like Wawa, but Sheetz has better value and convenience going for it, and I personally don't think Wawa's coffee lives up to the hype it gets.
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 08, 2010, 11:31:32 PMI was at a Sheetz near York earlier this evening. I was not charged for a cup of ice (with a food-and-canned-drink purchase).
I thought we were talking about the bagged stuff. I wouldn't know about cups of ice as if I am buying a drink at Sheetz, it's a bottled one that has been chilling in the cooler.
I'm addicted to ice for my drinks. I'd pick up a bottled iced tea and a (full) cup of ice to pour it over.
Everyone has mentioned the quality of the MTO foods and value.
But, just as, if not more important, is that the whole menu is available 24x7. If you get up late and want a quick, cheap breakfast as 11:30am, you can get it. Or, you can get anything at 2am as well.
Their reach is expanding. Besides the I-81 corridor in Virginia, my brother and I saw a few in North Carolina on I-40 just west of I-77. In Ohio, Akron/Cleveland is about as far as I've seen them.
SHEETZ! </me>
Had to do that. I was the first in my family to eat there. The one on US 11 in Clarks Summit and I introduced to my family to it. Now, almost every time we see one, we stop there. The food's good, I love the design of the place and how well put together people and the prices are. Are we going to get one in Jersey? Probably not. But we'll see.
Quote from: Roadgeek_Adam on August 09, 2010, 04:01:30 PMAre we going to get one in Jersey? Probably not. But we'll see.
well, Jersey has the "it is forbidden to pump your own gas" law, so that would defeat a bunch of Sheetz's technological advantage.
Wait, is it seriously illegal to pump your own gas?? Man, I've pumped gas for my mom and dad. Dang. But I think it'd be real interesting to go to one of these stores.
BigMatt
Yep. No self-service in New Jersey. Which doesn't prevent the state from having some of the lowest gas prices in the country.
I read years ago (like 20 or more years) that there was no self-service in Oregon either. Is that still true? And if memory serves, there isn't, or used not to be, self-service in Quebec....
as far as I know, Oregon is still full-serve only.
I have pumped my own gas in Quebec the last few times I was there.
Mexico is all full-serve as well.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 09, 2010, 06:08:17 PM
as far as I know, Oregon is still full-serve only.
I have pumped my own gas in Quebec the last few times I was there.
Mexico is all full-serve as well.
Oregon is still full-serve only.
New Jersey and Oregon indeed have mandatory full-serve. In NJ at least, this, and several other laws prohibiting the sale of certain items in supermarkets (such as fresh baked bread, IIRC, thus necesitating a seperate bakery with, of course, seperate additional employees) is viewed as a way to create jobs. Every time I am in NJ, I always fill up because full-serve is something I never even see elsewhere. The low price, BTW, is a function of NJ's lower fuel tax rate.
IIRC, Ohio had mandatory full-serve into the late 70s. I seem to remember it being a big deal when they went away from it.
From the last time I was in Mexico, the government oil monopoly has done away with mandatory full-serve. Now kids hang around the pumps and pump your gas for a tip.
Quote from: SP Cook on August 09, 2010, 07:56:16 PM
From the last time I was in Mexico, the government oil monopoly has done away with mandatory full-serve. Now kids hang around the pumps and pump your gas for a tip.
all the times I got gas last weekend, it was uniformed Pemex employees. I did not tip; did not believe it to be part of the process.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 09, 2010, 08:38:38 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on August 09, 2010, 07:56:16 PM
From the last time I was in Mexico, the government oil monopoly has done away with mandatory full-serve. Now kids hang around the pumps and pump your gas for a tip.
all the times I got gas last weekend, it was uniformed Pemex employees. I did not tip; did not believe it to be part of the process.
Not necessarily a conflict here. SP Cook is stating that
mandatory full serve is gone, that doesn't mean it can't still be done. It just doesn't have to be.
Yeah there is a 1/2 and 1/2 on PA 611 in Stroudsburg
Last time I drove through NJ it had really expensive gas... like 20 cents more expensive than in Delaware (at least on the NJTP). And the attendant certainly expected a tip... When I'm driving I ALWAYS fill up before getting to Jersey because I refuse to let someone else put gas in my car.
Quote from: mightyace on August 09, 2010, 03:56:41 PM
But, just as, if not more important, is that the whole menu is available 24x7. If you get up late and want a quick, cheap breakfast as 11:30am, you can get it. Or, you can get anything at 2am as well.
You know, I'm the exact opposite. I
hate mandatory breakfast! Just because it's 9am shouldn't mean I can't get actual food instead of this specialized stuff everyone else eats at that time. Who died and made breakfast be able to get its own food? You don't differentiate between lunch and dinner food... Nobody ever says "Why are you eating STEAK for lunch? That's a DINNER food."
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 10, 2010, 12:29:31 AMWho died and made breakfast be able to get its own food?
Jim Fixx, I believe.
I like the choice of having breakfast or lunch/dinner at any hour.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on August 09, 2010, 10:54:58 PM
Last time I drove through NJ it had really expensive gas... like 20 cents more expensive than in Delaware (at least on the NJTP). And the attendant certainly expected a tip... When I'm driving I ALWAYS fill up before getting to Jersey because I refuse to let someone else put gas in my car.
The Turnpike has a captive audience. Use 295 instead. Last time I bought gas over there, it was 23 cents a gallon less than in my neighborhood five miles away. And I grew up in New Jersey and have never heard of anyone tipping.
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 10, 2010, 01:00:05 AM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on August 09, 2010, 10:54:58 PM
Last time I drove through NJ it had really expensive gas... like 20 cents more expensive than in Delaware (at least on the NJTP). And the attendant certainly expected a tip... When I'm driving I ALWAYS fill up before getting to Jersey because I refuse to let someone else put gas in my car.
The Turnpike has a captive audience. Use 295 instead. Last time I bought gas over there, it was 23 cents a gallon less than in my neighborhood five miles away. And I grew up in New Jersey and have never heard of anyone tipping.
The Turnpike only changes prices once a week, on Friday. If prices are going up, you can often find some of the cheapest gas in the state/country on the Thursday before prices are raised. As for 'expecting a tip'-that doesn't make any sense, no one tips for gasoline in NJ.
Personally, and I've said this on this forum in other threads before, the one thing I like about living in NJ is the full service gasoline...it's nice to have that service done for you. And, yes, it does create jobs, I guess.
Quote from: yanksfan6129 on August 10, 2010, 02:21:13 PM
Personally, and I've said this on this forum in other threads before, the one thing I like about living in NJ is the full service gasoline...it's nice to have that service done for you. And, yes, it does create jobs, I guess.
I strongly dislike it. The attendants often attempt to overfill the tank past when the pump naturally clicks off, even when I explicitly tell them not to do so.
I wave them off as much as I can. "Take a break!" "I can't, it's against the law." "Is your boss around?" "Nope." "Well, all right then, I think we've come to an agreement, haven't we?"
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 10, 2010, 02:30:08 PM
Quote from: yanksfan6129 on August 10, 2010, 02:21:13 PM
Personally, and I've said this on this forum in other threads before, the one thing I like about living in NJ is the full service gasoline...it's nice to have that service done for you. And, yes, it does create jobs, I guess.
I strongly dislike it. The attendants often attempt to overfill the tank past when the pump naturally clicks off, even when I explicitly tell them not to do so.
I wave them off as much as I can. "Take a break!" "I can't, it's against the law." "Is your boss around?" "Nope." "Well, all right then, I think we've come to an agreement, haven't we?"
My dad sometimes pumps his own gas at a certain station where he goes so frequently that they know him well.
In terms of "top offs"---do you pay with cash or credit? It is done pretty much always when paying with cash to avoid small change. It doesn't really bother me, it'll add, what, theoretically no more than $.99. And I'll have to pay that later anyway. Credit, however, I don't think they bother topping off.
Quote from: yanksfan6129 on August 10, 2010, 03:14:54 PM
In terms of "top offs"---do you pay with cash or credit? It is done pretty much always when paying with cash to avoid small change. It doesn't really bother me, it'll add, what, theoretically no more than $.99. And I'll have to pay that later anyway. Credit, however, I don't think they bother topping off.
I always pay with credit. In fact, so much so that when I went to Mexico two weekends ago, and did not bring a credit card, I had simply
forgotten how to pay with cash in the US. (Prepay inside. Didn't help that the pump gave me the wrong instructions: after I selected "pay with cash" it told me to begin pumping, but nothing flowed until I went inside and prepaid.)
I have never learned how to pump to the nearest dollar - sometimes I try to get an exact number of gallons in instead of topping off (due to the rental car needing to be returned at 3/8 full or some other ridiculously arbitrary amount) and I can't get it to more accurate than, say, 6.005 gallons. Just don't have the dexterity to turn the pump off at the exact right split second.
and the reason I don't like topoffs is because I figure the click-done indicator is put at the position it is for a very good reason by the car manufacturer.
I like the full service honestly. There is a way to keep jobs in the country, and this is one of them ;).
And you don't have to wash your hands after you've bought gas, or make sure you eat before you pump.
Quote from: Roadgeek_Adam on August 10, 2010, 03:25:15 PM
I like the full service honestly. There is a way to keep jobs in the country, and this is one of them ;).
until the gas station cannot afford the overhead, and then, in the absence of being allowed to go self-serve, goes no-serve instead.
perhaps we should make it illegal to go out of business.
I don't like the idea of full service. It makes me feel like I'm being too lazy to pump my own gas. I mean, it's not that hard to get out and pump gas...
BigMatt
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 10, 2010, 04:00:08 PM
Quote from: Roadgeek_Adam on August 10, 2010, 03:25:15 PM
I like the full service honestly. There is a way to keep jobs in the country, and this is one of them ;).
until the gas station cannot afford the overhead, and then, in the absence of being allowed to go self-serve, goes no-serve instead.
perhaps we should make it illegal to go out of business.
New Jersey doesn't seem to have a shortage of gas stations....
Quote from: BigMatt on August 10, 2010, 04:16:29 PM
I don't like the idea of full service. It makes me feel like I'm being too lazy to pump my own gas. I mean, it's not that hard to get out and pump gas...
BigMatt
Unless you're disabled, for example. If you're not, you can go inside and get a snack or use the men's room or something, and when you come out, your tank's full.
Ok, lemme rephrase that, I don't really like full service, but if it allows you to pump your own gas then it's fine. I hate those full service only gas station. I don't like the idea of tipping someone for something I could do perfectly fine myself.
BigMatt
No one in New Jersey tips for gas. They must have pegged you for a naive out-of-stater.
I, on the other hand, the first time I bought gas outside New Jersey and couldn't figure out how to work the pump (late '80s, in Maryland) paid a 50-cent-a-gallon premium for the privilege of a service that would not have cost me extra at home.
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 10, 2010, 04:24:59 PM
New Jersey doesn't seem to have a shortage of gas stations....
I didn't imply that
all of them are in danger of running out of business, but I am quite sure there are always some at the margin that, in nearly any other state, could simply lower their costs and stay alive.
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Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 10, 2010, 04:26:24 PM
Unless you're disabled, for example. If you're not, you can go inside and get a snack or use the men's room or something, and when you come out, your tank's full.
and if you happen to need to do neither, you sit there twiddling your thumbs. Awkward much?
Only if you're not used to it. The attendant, obviously, won't think you're any lazier than anyone else who's pulled up to his pump all day.
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 10, 2010, 04:35:53 PM
I, on the other hand, the first time I bought gas outside New Jersey and couldn't figure out how to work the pump (late '80s, in Maryland) paid a 50-cent-a-gallon premium for the privilege of a service that would not have cost me extra at home.
if you didn't know how, you could've simply asked another customer. I've rented so many cars before with so many quirky features that I've had to ask such basics as how to put a car into reverse gear! Not nearly as bad as having to ask for directions ;)
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Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 10, 2010, 04:35:53 PM
No one in New Jersey tips for gas. They must have pegged you for a naive out-of-stater.
cue the New Jersey bashing as a state run entirely by racketeers who shake everyone down for money :pan:
Well, us Texans are nice and we tip for a lot of stuff. At some restaurants people in the oil industry tip waitresses at some steakhouses up to $100...
BigMatt
Quote from: BigMatt on August 10, 2010, 04:43:48 PM
Well, us Texans are nice and we tip for a lot of stuff. At some restaurants people in the oil industry tip waitresses at some steakhouses up to $100...
BigMatt
that's because some people in the oil industry order meals that run over $500, with the food and wine and whatnot for all them rich oil industry folk! :-D
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 10, 2010, 04:46:27 PM
Quote from: BigMatt on August 10, 2010, 04:43:48 PM
Well, us Texans are nice and we tip for a lot of stuff. At some restaurants people in the oil industry tip waitresses at some steakhouses up to $100...
BigMatt
that's because some people in the oil industry order meals that run over $500, with the food and wine and whatnot for all them rich oil industry folk! :-D
That's true. Oil is a huge deal here in West Texas. So it's no surprise that they would pay that much for food. That's one reason I'm interested in oil and oil rigs, and whatnot. ;)
BigMatt
Quote from: BigMatt on August 10, 2010, 04:49:30 PM
That's true. Oil is a huge deal here in West Texas. So it's no surprise that they would pay that much for food. That's one reason I'm interested in oil and oil rigs, and whatnot. ;)
BigMatt
then again, some folks will leave a $100 bill for a $10 burger and fries because, hey, they're ostentatious.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 10, 2010, 04:42:39 PM
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 10, 2010, 04:35:53 PM
No one in New Jersey tips for gas. They must have pegged you for a naive out-of-stater.
cue the New Jersey bashing as a state run entirely by racketeers who shake everyone down for money :pan:
I thought that was Illinois. ;-)
I think the largest tip I'd leave would prolly be $50.01. But that would depend on several things about the waitress... ;)
BigMatt
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 10, 2010, 04:41:10 PM
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 10, 2010, 04:35:53 PM
I, on the other hand, the first time I bought gas outside New Jersey and couldn't figure out how to work the pump (late '80s, in Maryland) paid a 50-cent-a-gallon premium for the privilege of a service that would not have cost me extra at home.
if you didn't know how, you could've simply asked another customer. I've rented so many cars before with so many quirky features that I've had to ask such basics as how to put a car into reverse gear! Not nearly as bad as having to ask for directions ;)
It was a quiet Sunday afternoon. There was no one there.
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 10, 2010, 04:59:01 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 10, 2010, 04:41:10 PM
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 10, 2010, 04:35:53 PM
I, on the other hand, the first time I bought gas outside New Jersey and couldn't figure out how to work the pump (late '80s, in Maryland) paid a 50-cent-a-gallon premium for the privilege of a service that would not have cost me extra at home.
if you didn't know how, you could've simply asked another customer. I've rented so many cars before with so many quirky features that I've had to ask such basics as how to put a car into reverse gear! Not nearly as bad as having to ask for directions ;)
It was a quiet Sunday afternoon. There was no one there.
There usually are instructions on the pump on how to use the pump.
This was over 20 years ago. I don't remember details. Sheesh!
Haha, I pumped gas when I was like 9, dang. It's not that hard. Haha.
BigMatt
Quote from: Brandon on August 10, 2010, 05:00:17 PM
There usually are instructions on the pump on how to use the pump.
now that I've never noticed. the only instruction I get is "if you drive off without paying, this state trooper - who has been certified by the State Commission on Weights and Measures as being 100% badass - will personally come to your house and beat you with a stick."
Well usually you have to pay before you pump, so it would be hard to steal it.
BigMatt
Quote from: BigMatt on August 10, 2010, 05:42:30 PM
Well usually you have to pay before you pump, so it would be hard to steal it.
BigMatt
in a lot of smaller towns, you can pump first and then pay. This is especially true during the daytime, and for older pumps that do not have a credit card reader. You pump gas and then go inside to pay.
Quote
The Turnpike has a captive audience. Use 295 instead. Last time I bought gas over there, it was 23 cents a gallon less than in my neighborhood five miles away. And I grew up in New Jersey and have never heard of anyone tipping.
I do always take 295, but sadly, 295 is not a through route and dumps you back on the Turnpike eventually. The one time I have stopped for gas on the NJTP, however, it was not me driving and not my car, so not my choice.
Quote
As for 'expecting a tip'-that doesn't make any sense, no one tips for gasoline in NJ.
After he was done fueling, the attendant stood there awkwardly until my Dad pulled a couple dollars out of our toll fund.
I found a gas station the other day just a little ways out into the country that wasn't pay-before-you-pump and it really threw me off. First one I'd ever seen. All the local ones have required that since long before I was pumping gas.
There is (was?) a Murphy USA in Purcell, OK with large placards saying "Pump, then pay! WE TRUST YOU!"
How do truck stops make it in NJ? I mean I think truck stops are the busiest thing on the roads at night, and during the day too. I'd hate to work there.
BigMatt
EDIT: Moved the shit I typed to the new thread about the full-serve / self-serve issue to the thread I noticed now exists after I already posted here.
Quote from: SP Cook on August 08, 2010, 09:42:58 AM
It is as simple as rather than trying to smoke out the very last dollar with minimum effort, as most businesses do, doing a good job for the customer. In every aspect of what it does, Sheetz simply tries harder to help me, the customer. Reasonable, by conv store standards, prices. Great food. Smart (because they pay well above the minimum wage) clerks. Good selections. Clean stores and restrooms. Well stocked selections of needed items. Friendly staffs. Simply doing right, rather than what the conv. store business now is, and the fast food business is fast becoming, which is a minimum effort operation.
And now you have Sheetz pretty close by to where you live.
Last time I was up I-64, I remember seeing a new sign on the I-64 services guide signs for a Sheetz at either Hurricane or the WV 34 Winfield exit (can't remember for sure which exit it was). Prior to that the one closest to Charleston had been at Milton.
Seems like now that Sheetz is expanding, they could fill in some gaps. I can see Sheetz stores on I-77 at Marietta, Parkersburg and Ripley, on I-79 at Flatwoods/Sutton, on the Turnpike at Beckley and Princeton, and on US 19 at Summersville. Now if you are traveling on I-77, you can visit a Sheetz at Wytheville and then not run into one again until the New Philadelphia area of Ohio.
Quote from: PennDOTFan on August 07, 2010, 12:36:03 AM
Sheetz? I went there once, it wasn't too bad, but not the best. I still root for Wawa here in Philly :P
I've stopped at a few Wawa's and have always perused their food menu, then left without buying anything. Sheetz has them whipped in terms of food. Seems to me that Wawa only offers subs, wraps and hot dogs, while Sheetz has burgers, fries, chicken sandwiches (fried or grilled), and pretty much anything else you can think of. Plus their fried mac & cheese bites are awesome!
I think most all Sheetz locations now offer fries (Fryz) and other fried items.
Quotefried mac & cheese bites
That settles it- I have to check this out. I'm going to Ohio. Now.
I've never heard of this place. We need them out in the far West. :P
Yeah, I believe Oregon's justification for full service is to supply more jobs. I'm assuming that's New Jersey's reasoning as well. I believe gas in Oregon is slightly more expensive; however, you don't pay taxes, so it's about the same as a gas station in neighboring states. Obviously, it depends by region.
QuoteI believe gas in Oregon is slightly more expensive; however, you don't pay taxes, so it's about the same as a gas station in neighboring states.
This may not be the case in Multnomah County due to higher local gas taxes, but gas in Hermiston, for example, is without exception cheaper than gas in the Tri-Cities. Same with Walla Walla/Pendleton and Ilwaco/Astoria. At this moment, gasbuddy.com puts the average price in Oregon as 3.01, 3.09 in Washington. Idaho is certainly cheaper than Oregon, while I'd assume California to be more expensive. I'm not sure how Nevada works.
You don't pay additional sales tax on gas in any state to my knowledge (and definitely not Washington or Idaho)- it's pretty much the only product one can buy in which all tax is included in the purchase price. I don't even know that regular sales tax is even part of the price of gas in most states- gas is usually taxed completely separately from everything else.
^^^
Certainly not most, but a few:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_tax#United_States
QuoteFuel taxes in the United States vary by state. For the first quarter of 2009, the mean state gasoline tax is 27.2 cents per US gallon, plus 18.4 cents per US gallon federal tax making the total 45.6 cents per US gallon (12.0 ¢/L). For diesel, the mean state tax is 26.6 cents per US gallon plus an additional 24.4 cents per US gallon federal tax making the total 50.8 cents US per gallon (13.4 ¢/L).[7] There are also a few states that charge sales tax on top of the excise taxes and the retail price.
Unfortunately it doesn't list which states do. However, I seem to recall that, as a kid in the 70s, Indiana charged sales tax on the whole price including the state and federal gas taxes. Or as my Dad said, "Tax on Tax"
Let's see here- if you scroll through the PDF on this page
http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/245.html
You see as note L
QuoteStates that fully or partially apply general sales taxes to gasoline: CA, CO, GA, IL, IN, MI, NY. Rates shown are as of April 3, 2009.
It doesn't say that means you pay extra after the purchase price at the pump- that would seem awfully hard to do in this day and age with everyone paying at the pump (the price would have to auto-jump after you purchase gas, which would probably piss off just about every out-of-stater). I know in Colorado it's included in the displayed fuel price, but I haven't filled up lately in any of those other states.
I'd suspect that price is these days included in the display price, but I'm not positive of that. According to this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_the_United_States#cite_note-39) Wikpedia article, sales tax is included in the raw purchase price in California (which I seem to recall as the case, but I haven't purchased fuel or seen a fuel purchase firsthand in California in several years), but again no source.
EDIT AGAIN: And...here it is for California- another PDF (http://www.boe.ca.gov/pdf/reg1598.pdf)
QuoteSales tax reimbursement will be deemed included in the total price per gallon of gasoline dispensed through an apparatus on which there is a price per gallon display including all taxes as required by Business and Professions Code Section 13470.
EDIT: Also included in display price in Indiana now, according to this Indiana Dept of Revenue PDF (http://www.in.gov/dor/reference/files/sib15.pdf)
QuoteThe pump price of all gasoline sold through a stationary
metered pump must include the total price per unit, including state
sales tax.
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Thanks for researching it further.
I was going to say that the sales tax was included in the price. My goof. :banghead:
Quote from: hbelkins on August 15, 2010, 01:25:39 AM
And now you have Sheetz pretty close by to where you live.
Last time I was up I-64, I remember seeing a new sign on the I-64 services guide signs for a Sheetz at either Hurricane or the WV 34 Winfield exit (can't remember for sure which exit it was). Prior to that the one closest to Charleston had been at Milton.
It at the Hurricane exit, Exit 34. Also at the Huntington Mall, Milton, and off the West Huntington exit. Although none of these show up on the current map they give away in the stores, and the Hurricane one is not on the website (the website has random "dots" that are supposed to be store locations that are 100s of miles off in some cases).
Local rumor is that they are heading east on 64. The new Exit 40 (my home exit), which is the junction of US 35, is a gold mine (particularly if the state tolls 35). Only businesses are a Speedway and a mom-and-pop Dairy Queen that are over a half-mile from the exit in the wrong direction, but both are far busier than they were before the exit openned. Random interstate traffic. The county has zoned everything "as is" meaning only places with businesses today are zoned for business, but that includes several mom-and-pop places, such as a hardware store, whose highest economic use would now be a highway focused business.
Quote from: corco on August 16, 2010, 07:16:44 PM
You don't pay additional sales tax on gas in any state to my knowledge (and definitely not Washington or Idaho)- it's pretty much the only product one can buy in which all tax is included in the purchase price. I don't even know that regular sales tax is even part of the price of gas in most states- gas is usually taxed completely separately from everything else.
Michigan has sales tax on gasoline, and this is calculated from the total cost including the gas taxes and then included in the pump price. In essence, a portion of it is a tax on tax. But then I suppose this happens on every product which sales tax is applied when you figure embedded taxes the retailers pass on to consumers.
Quote from: rawmustard on August 17, 2010, 07:54:11 AM
But then I suppose this happens on every product which sales tax is applied when you figure embedded taxes the retailers pass on to consumers.
This is also a feature of the Value Added Tax that is popular in Europe and, IIRC, Canada. If I understand it correctly, the VAT gets added multiple times from manufacturer to consumer.
Those of you who live where there is a VAT can give more details and correct me where I'm mistaken.
Quote from: shoptb1 on August 08, 2010, 10:13:14 PM
MTO. No competition. I wish we had Sheetz in Columbus...always a treat when traveling to PA, MD, or WV.
And they are now showing up in VA. (Just saw one in Wytheville, VA)
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 21, 2010, 08:35:03 PM
Quote from: shoptb1 on August 08, 2010, 10:13:14 PM
MTO. No competition. I wish we had Sheetz in Columbus...always a treat when traveling to PA, MD, or WV.
And they are now showing up in VA. (Just saw one in Wytheville, VA)
They've been in VA for years. I know the one in Colonial Heights has been open for over 5 years and there's been on in Chester for at least 2 and I know I've seen a bunch more.
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 21, 2010, 08:35:03 PM
Quote from: shoptb1 on August 08, 2010, 10:13:14 PM
MTO. No competition. I wish we had Sheetz in Columbus...always a treat when traveling to PA, MD, or WV.
And they are now showing up in VA. (Just saw one in Wytheville, VA)
There's a lot of them in VA, just not as many as there are in PA.
Quote from: SyntheticDreamer on August 21, 2010, 11:39:23 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 21, 2010, 08:35:03 PM
Quote from: shoptb1 on August 08, 2010, 10:13:14 PM
MTO. No competition. I wish we had Sheetz in Columbus...always a treat when traveling to PA, MD, or WV.
And they are now showing up in VA. (Just saw one in Wytheville, VA)
There's a lot of them in VA, just not as many as there are in PA.
Well, I only see 2 Sheetz's after I leave PA heading South along I-79 > US-19 > I-77. One in Weston, WV and the one that I mentioned above in Wytheville, VA.
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 22, 2010, 07:37:01 PM
Well, I only see 2 Sheetz's after I leave PA heading South along I-79 > US-19 > I-77. One in Weston, WV and the one that I mentioned above in Wytheville, VA.
There is one just off the Morgantown exit (the first exit in WV heading south)
Quote from: Mr_Northside on August 22, 2010, 09:43:08 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 22, 2010, 07:37:01 PM
Well, I only see 2 Sheetz's after I leave PA heading South along I-79 > US-19 > I-77. One in Weston, WV and the one that I mentioned above in Wytheville, VA.
There is one just off the Morgantown exit (the first exit in WV heading south)
Figures I'd miss one. lol. Guess that's because I never stop in the Morgantown area (except for the WV Welcome Center on I-79).
There are 28 locations in West Virginia, 57 in Virginia, and not surprising 203 in Sheetz's home state.