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Started by mgk920, September 12, 2012, 02:19:57 PM

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JoePCool14

I'm willing to bet both the I-41 and I-290 end signs are contractor work by WisDOT and IDOT respectively. Standalone IDOT Interstate shields don't tend to have the numerals that large.

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Crash_It

Quote from: paulthemapguy on September 03, 2019, 09:19:45 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on September 03, 2019, 06:45:49 AM
Definitely WisDOT, IDOT usually signs interstate endings as "Route Ro ends" inside a BGS.

Another example of an IDOT cutout end marker:


IL-I-290NT by Paul Drives, on Flickr

The "end I-xx" written inside a BGS is more typical of ISTHA installations.  Examples I've found:


IL-I-355ST by Paul Drives, on Flickr


IL-I-355NT by Paul Drives, on Flickr


IL-I-294NTS by Paul Drives, on Flickr

(The last one isn't really an end marker, but it's typical of how ISTHA signs actual Interstate termini along their system.)


IDOT does it too, here's one on I57

I-57
https://maps.app.goo.gl/r437yaPxmwJPbtSv5

ilpt4u

#1577
More IDOT

I-55: https://goo.gl/maps/qmTEbho5UFEj3zUm7 Cutout Shield above the Gore Point sign

I-290 East end: https://goo.gl/maps/JrbKCdDDmszC1hoSA LGS/"Little"  Green Sign (possibly temp construction zone end sign?)

I-474 NW end: https://goo.gl/maps/Qhd95PjPBXow2A2e6 BGS - Sometimes I wonder if the ISTHA sign shop made this for the Peoria District...very Tollway-like End/Begin BGS

I-88 Quad Cities end: https://goo.gl/maps/DkRPfJqw5K15VYR56 BGS

I-280: https://goo.gl/maps/WcafMmumRAMgS2Rq7 Stand-alone Cutout Shield

I-24: https://goo.gl/maps/ZutNTGcAeyvPBPsx9 Stand-alone Cutout Shield

I-180 North end: https://goo.gl/maps/MKSgBxSaTrz5ncfe8 Stand-alone Cutout Shield

I-39: https://goo.gl/maps/GM5Pu7b2u6RRAgr6A Stand-alone Cutout Shield

I-172 North end: https://goo.gl/maps/JCnrAdmSCwyivVjt6 Cutout Shield mounted below a BGS

I-172 South end: https://goo.gl/maps/j5KrLWZhETCcWmME8 Cutout Shield mounted under the Pike County sign and next to IL 110

No luck finding end signs for I-255, I-270, I-72, I-155 either end, I-474 SE end, I-180 SE end, I-190

That said, I think a Cutout Interstate Shield is the typical IDOT marker for an Interstate terminus. A BGS/LGS is not rare, but fewer of those versus Cutouts

3467

On 172 the end sign comes before the end because just down the road is milepost 19.It's right by the bridge over 24.

3467

I don't remember seeing signs on some of those roads.
The 55 sign has always been there at LSD. But I don't recall seeing 290 at the circle.
Wikipedia puts the end of 110 beyond the circle.
Also the North sign on 255 seems to emphasize continuity on Illinois 255 to Alton.

paulthemapguy

A few ramps are scheduled to fully open at the Circle/Jane Byrne interchange.  You mean to tell me the ramp from NB-to-EB was closed for 5 whole years??  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

https://wgntv.com/2019/09/06/relief-on-the-way-for-drivers-at-the-jane-byrne-interchange/
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Henry

Quote from: paulthemapguy on September 06, 2019, 09:42:45 AM
A few ramps are scheduled to fully open at the Circle/Jane Byrne interchange.  You mean to tell me the ramp from NB-to-EB was closed for 5 whole years??  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

https://wgntv.com/2019/09/06/relief-on-the-way-for-drivers-at-the-jane-byrne-interchange/
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Brandon

Quote from: paulthemapguy on September 06, 2019, 09:42:45 AM
A few ramps are scheduled to fully open at the Circle/Jane Byrne interchange.  You mean to tell me the ramp from NB-to-EB was closed for 5 whole years??  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

https://wgntv.com/2019/09/06/relief-on-the-way-for-drivers-at-the-jane-byrne-interchange/

Yes.  That's been an annoying detour for quite some time.
Gotta love IDiOT.  :banghead:
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CtrlAltDel

Quote from: paulthemapguy on September 06, 2019, 09:42:45 AM
A few ramps are scheduled to fully open at the Circle/Jane Byrne interchange.  You mean to tell me the ramp from NB-to-EB was closed for 5 whole years??  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Fun fact: That ramp is completely missing from Google Maps.

Interstates clinched: 4, 57, 275 (IN-KY-OH), 465 (IN), 640 (TN), 985
State Interstates clinched: I-26 (TN), I-75 (GA), I-75 (KY), I-75 (TN), I-81 (WV), I-95 (NH)

JoePCool14

Quote from: Brandon on September 06, 2019, 10:35:49 AM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on September 06, 2019, 09:42:45 AM
A few ramps are scheduled to fully open at the Circle/Jane Byrne interchange.  You mean to tell me the ramp from NB-to-EB was closed for 5 whole years??  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

https://wgntv.com/2019/09/06/relief-on-the-way-for-drivers-at-the-jane-byrne-interchange/

Yes.  That's been an annoying detour for quite some time.
Gotta love IDiOT.  :banghead:

I barely remember a time when the Circle wasn't under construction.

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CtrlAltDel

I'm sure you've been on pins and needles, but the ramp has been added. There's a mistake though, in that the ramp goes over the eastbound to northbound ramp and not under it. Similarly for Harrison.

Interstates clinched: 4, 57, 275 (IN-KY-OH), 465 (IN), 640 (TN), 985
State Interstates clinched: I-26 (TN), I-75 (GA), I-75 (KY), I-75 (TN), I-81 (WV), I-95 (NH)

SSOWorld

Quote from: CtrlAltDel on September 18, 2019, 06:05:39 PM
I'm sure you've been on pins and needles, but the ramp has been added. There's a mistake though, in that the ramp goes over the eastbound to northbound ramp and not under it. Similarly for Harrison.


They're using the old waypoints
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Crash_It

Quote from: Brandon on September 06, 2019, 10:35:49 AM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on September 06, 2019, 09:42:45 AM
A few ramps are scheduled to fully open at the Circle/Jane Byrne interchange.  You mean to tell me the ramp from NB-to-EB was closed for 5 whole years??  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

https://wgntv.com/2019/09/06/relief-on-the-way-for-drivers-at-the-jane-byrne-interchange/

Yes.  That's been an annoying detour for quite some time.
Gotta love IDiOT.  :banghead:

Not IDOTs fault, there were issues that came up which weren't allocated for originally. Would you rather them do it right the first time or do it and then redo it a couple years later like other DOTs (WisDOT)?

inkyatari

Anyone notice the loose gravel all over I-55 between US 52 and US 30 the last couple days?
I'm never wrong, just wildly inaccurate.

ET21

Quote from: inkyatari on September 20, 2019, 08:44:56 AM
Anyone notice the loose gravel all over I-55 between US 52 and US 30 the last couple days?

You sure that's not the road deteriorating with every car that passes over it? :-D
That section is complete trash for road quality
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IL: I-88, I-180, I-190, I-290, I-294, I-355, IL-390
IN: I-80, I-94
SD: I-190
WI: I-90, I-94
MI: I-94, I-196
MN: I-90

Brandon

Quote from: inkyatari on September 20, 2019, 08:44:56 AM
Anyone notice the loose gravel all over I-55 between US 52 and US 30 the last couple days?

Fortunately no as I get on/off at each of those interchanges.  Wouldn't shock me if it were a) the road falling apart yet again, or b) gravel trucks running with their loads uncovered, illegally, as usual.
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inkyatari

Quote from: Brandon on September 20, 2019, 01:00:30 PM
Quote from: inkyatari on September 20, 2019, 08:44:56 AM
Anyone notice the loose gravel all over I-55 between US 52 and US 30 the last couple days?

Fortunately no as I get on/off at each of those interchanges.  Wouldn't shock me if it were a) the road falling apart yet again, or b) gravel trucks running with their loads uncovered, illegally, as usual.

Most certainly B
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edwaleni

Quote from: ilpt4u on September 04, 2019, 01:13:56 AM
More IDOT

I-55: https://goo.gl/maps/qmTEbho5UFEj3zUm7 Cutout Shield above the Gore Point sign

I-290 East end: https://goo.gl/maps/JrbKCdDDmszC1hoSA LGS/"Little"  Green Sign (possibly temp construction zone end sign?)

I-474 NW end: https://goo.gl/maps/Qhd95PjPBXow2A2e6 BGS - Sometimes I wonder if the ISTHA sign shop made this for the Peoria District...very Tollway-like End/Begin BGS

I-88 Quad Cities end: https://goo.gl/maps/DkRPfJqw5K15VYR56 BGS

I-280: https://goo.gl/maps/WcafMmumRAMgS2Rq7 Stand-alone Cutout Shield

I-24: https://goo.gl/maps/ZutNTGcAeyvPBPsx9 Stand-alone Cutout Shield

I-180 North end: https://goo.gl/maps/MKSgBxSaTrz5ncfe8 Stand-alone Cutout Shield

I-39: https://goo.gl/maps/GM5Pu7b2u6RRAgr6A Stand-alone Cutout Shield

I-172 North end: https://goo.gl/maps/JCnrAdmSCwyivVjt6 Cutout Shield mounted below a BGS

I-172 South end: https://goo.gl/maps/j5KrLWZhETCcWmME8 Cutout Shield mounted under the Pike County sign and next to IL 110

No luck finding end signs for I-255, I-270, I-72, I-155 either end, I-474 SE end, I-180 SE end, I-190

That said, I think a Cutout Interstate Shield is the typical IDOT marker for an Interstate terminus. A BGS/LGS is not rare, but fewer of those versus Cutouts



Looking at 255 on the Missouri side, that is as good as it gets.  270 starts the same way with Milepost 0 mile .2.  If you measure it out, 255 ends right on top of a bridge, so I would guess that is why the sign is absent.

As for I-72 on the Missouri side, honestly, you would barely know the route is an Interstate. Only 2 markers identify as such and you can tell they were add ons to the original US 36 marker.

I can't blame Missouri however, if a blue moon appears and they decide to send I-72 farther west, they are covered.  However, Illinois didn't have any incrementals, just the per mile posts. And I think we all know where I-72 ends going east and it's not going anywhere further ever.

3467

I got the hard copy of the new map . Even stranger. The full access control sections of some of the US routes have a black line around them. But state routes like the North part of Illinois 255 do not.
Also the Senate Transportation chair just had his offices raided by feds. That would be Martin  Sandovol. Also Senate district includes Madigans district.

Also found one new article that said MYP out next month maybe otherwise crickets on projects.

edwaleni

Quote from: 3467 on September 25, 2019, 11:52:28 PM
I got the hard copy of the new map . Even stranger. The full access control sections of some of the US routes have a black line around them. But state routes like the North part of Illinois 255 do not.
Also the Senate Transportation chair just had his offices raided by feds. That would be Martin  Sandovol. Also Senate district includes Madigans district.

Also found one new article that said MYP out next month maybe otherwise crickets on projects.

I have watched some of the hearings with IDOT and the Transportation Committee Mr. Sandoval chairs.  Honestly he came off as a little "large and in charge" but seemingly uninformed on certain highway concepts.

3467

Road geeks Watch whatever happens with Sandovol because it may very well expose a lot of legislative and contracting sausage making.

edwaleni

I was going through the original EIS for US-67 and the US-36 FAP's and saw this planned freeway map for Illinois from 1971.

You I-24 to St Louis fans will like that route in the SW quadrant of the state. I knew about the IL-1 plan but thought it was for Danville to Chicago.  Didn't know it was supposed to go all the way to Marion from the east. Wow!

The planned West Suburban Expressway/US-30 Expressway was of course replaced by ISTHA IL-5 (later I-88) East-West Tollway. (now called the Reagan Tollway)

The rest as they say is history.




https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=ien.35556030129167&view=1up&seq=3

3467

There is a thread on Illinois Freeway history. The 1966 version was different and the current 88 route was the official. It would be official from 1972 to 79. When it became principal arterial under Thompson's Build Illinois.
NEPA process pretty much killed off Illinois 1 and 67 north of Monmouth. Either the EPA or FHWA questioned IDOTs sanity in the environmental documents. They never advanced beyond corridor studies. Rick Powell replied to a question I had about 1. He said it never moved beyond that map in D 3.
The other projects have lingered in some form until now.You can see them in Featured projects at IDOT.
US 30 was officially cancelled after public opposition. One of the few to get an outright cancel downstate. Even 67 and 1 were just quietly out aside rather than an outright cancel. But they were never advanced because of NEPA concerns.

3467

Late breaking major contractor raided. Stories on WBEZ and background at Capitol Fax.

Brandon

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