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Title: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on October 28, 2011, 12:45:13 AM
HOLY SHIT

HOLY SHIT

YES!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 28, 2011, 08:31:47 AM
I knew I shouldn't have gone to sleep after the 10th.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 28, 2011, 11:53:58 PM
Was I the only one underwhelmed by Game 7? It just didn't have the electricity of the other games to me.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on October 29, 2011, 12:11:49 AM
It was pretty boring, but I can understand the lack of electricity. Game 6 had such a feeling of finality to it that it didn't feel like there should be baseball today. It would have only been electric if the Rangers won, I think.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 29, 2011, 12:28:42 AM
Yeah, I agree. It seems like the Rangers didn't have anything left in the tank after the first inning tonight.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 29, 2011, 02:46:54 AM
Was I the only one underwhelmed by Game 7? It just didn't have the electricity of the other games to me.

it did not have the electricity of game 6.  it was comparable to games 1-5.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on October 29, 2011, 08:05:26 AM
The last few innings of game 7 were kind of boring.  I am not upset with the outcome (didn't really care either way).  it was like Texas gave up in the late innings.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: PAHighways on October 29, 2011, 02:11:52 PM
The last visiting team to win a Game 7 remains the 79 Pirates.

That is the only way to connect the Pirate organization to anything World Series-related.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on November 22, 2011, 09:39:13 PM
Speaking of base-ball, looks like the Astros are going to the AL after all, so you'll have two 15-team leagues. To balance them out and prevent still more interleague, I propose adding a 16th team to each league. I've received some interesting comments on other potential additions but I'm sticking by these anyway.

AL East: Red Sox, Yankees, Orioles, Blue Jays
AL North: Twins, Tigers, White Sox, Indians
AL South: Rays, Astros, Rangers, Flyers - adding a Carolina team to a large, untapped market. Raleigh or Charlotte, doesn't matter.
AL West: Mariners, A's, Angels, Royals (someone has to do it)

NL East: Mets, Phillies, Nationals, Grays - mostly for historical sentiment, I'll admit, but I can't think of a better baseball city anyway.
NL North: Pirates, Reds, Brewers, Cubs
NL South: Braves, Marlins, Cardinals, Diamondbacks
NL West: Rockies, Giants, Dodgers, Padres
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on November 22, 2011, 09:57:54 PM
You could also contract by two- drop the Rays and A's (perhaps move the A's to Colorado or Phoenix and drop the Rockies/D-Backs, just to preserve the A's name and history) and move Milwaukee back to the AL

Otherwise, I'd love to see expansion to Charlotte/Brooklyn/Montreal (Vive les Expos! Montreal is a good baseball town- bad ownership just ran the franchise into the ground)
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/sports/baseball/20montreal.html
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on November 22, 2011, 11:10:17 PM
While I'd like to see two new teams (Carolina and Montreal would be my picks too) I'm also one of the 3 people who don't mind interleague, so I'm fine with the official changes.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on November 23, 2011, 12:08:17 AM
My only worry about the changes is that the end result of season-wide interleague play is the game-wide institution of the DH. I root for an AL club, so I'm not anti-DH, but I do like that both formats exist in the game and would be adamantly opposed to the NL adopting it (unless the AL dis-adopted it).

As a Mariners fan, though, I'm looking forward to having the Astros in our division because at least in the short term we won't be in last place anymore  :sombrero:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: PAHighways on November 23, 2011, 12:34:55 AM
When I see the name "Grays" discussed in terms of baseball, I think the Homestead Grays.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: DTComposer on November 23, 2011, 12:54:39 AM
The scenario in my head had expansion by two teams and kept everyone in their current league (Houston's upcoming move ruins that a little). And except for a couple of cases created a geographical interleague rival. I would revert the Angels' city name, and I figure eventually they'll approve the A's moving.

AL East: New York, Boston, Baltimore, Toronto
NL East: New York, Philadelphia, Washington, Pittsburgh

AL North: Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago, Minnesota
NL North: Colorado, Cincinnati, Chicago, Milwaukee

AL South: Kansas City, Texas, Tampa Bay, Charlotte
NL South: St Louis, Houston, Miami, Atlanta

AL West: Seattle, San Jose, Anaheim, Arizona
NL West: Portland, San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 23, 2011, 02:44:27 PM
Oakland, Miami, and Tampa are having major problems supporting existing teams, so I really don't see MLB expanding anytime soon.  Remember they were close to contracting two teams not too long ago.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on November 23, 2011, 08:52:57 PM
Those are also not coincidentally the three worst stadiums in MLB. We'll see how Miami rebounds with the new stadium, but I couldn't imagine paying actual money to see a baseball game at the Trop- the Coliseum isn't much better- both are awful places to watch a baseball game.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on November 23, 2011, 09:15:52 PM
I agree that a nice park greatly enhances the desire for me to see a game. Living in. (suburban) Richmond, the closest major league teams are the Nationals and Orioles, and the three minor league area teams are the local Flying Squirrels, the Norfolk Tides and Durham Bulls. I'd much rather travel to any of the other teams' games because their stadiums are nicer.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Mr_Northside on November 25, 2011, 12:50:48 PM
I agree that a nice park greatly enhances the desire for me to see a game.

Our top-of-the-line ballpark (PNC Park), along with some fireworks nights, a "bobble-head night", and the occasional after-game concert (usually with some more fireworks), is enough of a draw itself to bring people to Pirates games, despite the fact they've now had 19 losing seasons in a row.

A day at a ballpark that nice offsets the fact that at least one of the teams on the field is gonna be the " 'Succos ".  (Their June-July stretch tease of actually appearing to be a good team this last summer notwithstanding.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on November 26, 2011, 10:55:16 AM
I went to PNC park back in September to see the final two games of the season against the Reds.  The Park is beautiful and the atmosphere is really cool.  I found it impressive how dedicated Pittsburgh fans were given the recent history of the team.  I find there isn't the same pride for a team that doesn't have such a winning history in Toronto where I live.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on February 27, 2012, 12:42:07 PM
Speaking of baseball, here a funny baseball cartoon made by Tex Avery  We won't do any gags of these kinds today.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on March 26, 2012, 09:01:04 AM
I spotted a thread about the possibility then the Oakland A's might be relocated
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=198423
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on March 26, 2012, 12:22:43 PM
There's been talk of moving the A's for years. They tried to move to Fremont a few years ago, but the Giants complained that it was in their territory.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: akotchi on March 26, 2012, 12:51:09 PM
There's been talk of moving the A's for years. They tried to move to Fremont a few years ago, but the Giants complained that it was in their territory.
As a long-suffering A's fan, this is nothing new to me. . .

Everything in the Bay Area outside Alameda County is Giants territory.  That is why it has been so hard to orchestrate a move to stay in the Bay Area.  Don't recall the history of the territorial agreement, but I think the organization dug their own hole.  As of now, I think they are the only MLB franchise playing in a multi-purpose stadium, and no one wants to play there because of all the foul ground.

Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on March 26, 2012, 04:56:31 PM
As of now, I think they are the only MLB franchise playing in a multi-purpose stadium, and no one wants to play there because of all the foul ground.

The Rays are still playing in that ugly multipurpose dome.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on March 26, 2012, 05:29:01 PM
The Blue Jays play in a multipurpose sports facility too.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on March 29, 2012, 09:11:26 PM
Guggenheim Partners led by Magic Johnson just bought the LA Dodgers. http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=391570
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on April 13, 2012, 12:15:36 PM
Guess the big question around Chicago is, will Theo Epstein bring the same magic to the Cubs that he brought to Boston?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kendancy66 on April 15, 2012, 12:41:35 AM
I spotted a thread about the possibility then the Oakland A's might be relocated
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=198423

If they did, that would be some kind of record.  Philadelphia -> Kansas City -> Oakland -> ??
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on April 15, 2012, 08:22:31 AM
I spotted a thread about the possibility then the Oakland A's might be relocated
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=198423

If they did, that would be some kind of record.  Philadelphia -> Kansas City -> Oakland -> ??
One more than the Braves (Boston -> Milwaukee -> Atlanta)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 15, 2012, 08:42:30 AM
Does San Jose truly count as a relocation though given that it's still in the bay area?  It's the same thought as the New Jersey Nets moving to Brooklyn.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeek Adam on April 15, 2012, 10:08:38 AM
Does San Jose truly count as a relocation though given that it's still in the bay area?  It's the same thought as the New Jersey Nets moving to Brooklyn.

There is a difference for the Nets, you are crossing the state line. If you cross the state line, you're technically not that team anymore. It is a relocation in my book.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kendancy66 on April 15, 2012, 01:47:04 PM
Does San Jose truly count as a relocation though given that it's still in the bay area?  It's the same thought as the New Jersey Nets moving to Brooklyn.

I didn't look at this close enough.  I assumed that they were relocating away from California.  Also a better non relocation example would be NY Football Giants and NY Jets moving to New Jersey.  I didn't consider that a relocation. But NJ Nets to Brooklyn is a relocation because the location name of the team is changing.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on April 15, 2012, 08:38:24 PM
Does San Jose truly count as a relocation though given that it's still in the bay area?  It's the same thought as the New Jersey Nets moving to Brooklyn.
I didn't look at this close enough.  I assumed that they were relocating away from California.  Also a better non relocation example would be NY Football Giants and NY Jets moving to New Jersey.  I didn't consider that a relocation. But NJ Nets to Brooklyn is a relocation because the location name of the team is changing.

The Nets started out at the Naussau Colaseum as the New York Nets back in the ABA days of the 1970s.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on April 16, 2012, 06:10:14 PM
Does San Jose truly count as a relocation though given that it's still in the bay area?  It's the same thought as the New Jersey Nets moving to Brooklyn.
Considering that San Jose is in the SF Giants marketing area I wouldn't count it as a relocation.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: realjd on April 20, 2012, 06:56:32 AM
Does San Jose truly count as a relocation though given that it's still in the bay area?  It's the same thought as the New Jersey Nets moving to Brooklyn.
There is a difference for the Nets, you are crossing the state line. If you cross the state line, you're technically not that team anymore. It is a relocation in my book.

I disagree in cases of multi-state metro areas. If the Royals moved to KC, Kansas, you'd still count it as a relocation?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on April 20, 2012, 07:17:06 PM
Not all metro areas are created equal.  Renaming guidelines need to take into account that while most metro areas are dominated by one large city, others are not. The name of the lone major city can be attached to a team no matter where they play in the metro area.  But when you have twin cities, or even a triplet of cities in the case of the Bay Area, it gets tricky.

If the Athletics moved to San Jose, for example, it is my opinion, that would necessitate a name change to the San Jose Athletics.
But the fact that the New York football teams play in New Jersey is acceptable.
Minnesota can get around the problem by sticking the state name on their teams, since there is no other large media market in that state.
The Marlins switching from Florida to Miami was the right move now that the state has two franchises.
But then there's those damn Cowboys.  I have no idea when they last played in the actual city of Dallas, but it's been decades for sure.  And because Dallas is twinned with Fort Worth, we should be taking a lead from their baseball team and calling them the Texas Cowboys.  That certainly rolls off the tongue perfectly fine.

Finally, with the Nets moving to Brooklyn, that name change makes perfect sense since they went out of their way to call themselves the New Jersey Nets years ago.  In my opinion, a return to the "New York Nets" would also be acceptable.  But in a super-big metro area with 2 franchises, I understand the desire for them to create their own identities.  Just look at the crap the Angels went through.  LA used to have the Los Angeles Dodgers and the California Angels and everything seemed fine.  Then suddenly they tried to be the Anaheim Angels.  Now we have that ridiculousness of the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim and some people use "Los Angeles" and others use "Anaheim".  It reeks of a suburb's inferiority complex.  In my mind, they get to be the LA Angels or the California Angels. Pick one.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: realjd on April 20, 2012, 08:49:52 PM
Orange County Angels would have made more sense IMO. They have enough of a distinct identity from Los Angeles to make it work, but at a county level, not a city level.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Beltway on April 20, 2012, 09:58:09 PM
Surprise, surprise!  Washington Nationals are 10-4.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 20, 2012, 10:13:53 PM
I'm not surprised at all.  With adding Gio Gonzalez and Edwin Jackson(at least for this year) to Stephen Strasburg and Jordan Zimmermann I expect them to contend for one of the Wild Cards.  To me the bigger question is whether they will truly honor Strasburg's innings limit if they are still in contention.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on April 20, 2012, 10:51:25 PM
I'm not surprised at all.  With adding Gio Gonzalez and Edwin Jackson(at least for this year) to Stephen Strasburg and Jordan Zimmermann I expect them to contend for one of the Wild Cards.  To me the bigger question is whether they will truly honor Strasburg's innings limit if they are still in contention.
Going with Davy's track record with the Mets and Orioles, I'd imagine the innings limit will be discarded for team glory.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: DTComposer on April 24, 2012, 10:57:56 AM
Just look at the crap the Angels went through.  LA used to have the Los Angeles Dodgers and the California Angels and everything seemed fine.  Then suddenly they tried to be the Anaheim Angels.  Now we have that ridiculousness of the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim and some people use "Los Angeles" and others use "Anaheim".  It reeks of a suburb's inferiority complex.  In my mind, they get to be the LA Angels or the California Angels. Pick one.

They were contractually required to use Anaheim since the city funded the majority of the stadium renovation in the '90s, and Disney (who owned the team at the time, along with the (Mighty) Ducks) was fine with it, as they were trying to market Anaheim as a resort destination. After they sold the team, the new owners chose the convoluted name for marketing purposes (identifying with L.A.) while still fulfilling the terms of their agreement with the city of Anaheim.

I'd be curious to see if the name change actually had a positive effect on ticket sales, merchandising, etc. It should be noted that the Angels' one World Series title came when they were the Anaheim Angels.

I never liked "California Angels." State names work when there's one dominant metropolitan area in the state containing all the pro teams (i.e. Minnesota, Colorado, Arizona), or if they're the only team from that league in the state (i.e. Tennessee, Carolina), but growing up in Northern California with the Giants and A's, I had no identification with the Angels.

However, "Golden State Warriors" is even sillier...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 24, 2012, 11:39:45 AM
I've always thought "Anaheim Angels" was elegant and euphonic.

does anyone, outside of Arte Moreno's inner circle of yes-men, actually like the name "Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim"?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on April 24, 2012, 01:48:54 PM
....

I never liked "California Angels." State names work when there's one dominant metropolitan area in the state containing all the pro teams (i.e. Minnesota, Colorado, Arizona), or if they're the only team from that league in the state (i.e. Tennessee, Carolina), but growing up in Northern California with the Giants and A's, I had no identification with the Angels.

....

I can think of one other situation and that's where the state name goes with the team name in a particularly significant way. The example that comes to mind is the NHL's Florida Panthers, who are not the only NHL team in the state (Tampa Bay Lightning) nor the original NHL team in the state (the Lightning came first). But the animal after which the team is named is the "Florida panther," an endangered species native to the Everglades, rather than just a generic "panther" as a type of cat. So in that situation the using state's name, rather than "Miami Panthers," makes some sense.

I read somewhere that the owner of the NBA's Miami Heat originally wanted to call them the Florida Heat but the league ordered him to change it once they decided the 1987 expansion would include a second Florida team, the Orlando Magic.

I've never liked the use of "Tampa Bay" even though I understand the perfectly legitimate marketing reasons for using it. I've simply seen too many media reports that erroneously use the name "Tampa Bay" as though it were an actual city (example: "The Outback Bowl is played at 11:00 AM on January 1 in Tampa Bay, Florida.") rather than a metropolitan area or a body of water. (The football game is played in Tampa, not in the water.)

The Florida example reminds me of another reason why state names don't necessarily work as well: A league may add another team in that state. Baseball is a good example because the Florida Marlins were originally the only team there and the Tampa Bay Devil Rays came along a few years later. Obviously the Marlins have now changed to "Miami," but Tennessee would be another situation where I could see an NFL team potentially landing in Memphis someday.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on April 24, 2012, 02:18:48 PM
I've always thought "Anaheim Angels" was elegant and euphonic.

does anyone, outside of Arte Moreno's inner circle of yes-men, actually like the name "Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim"?

No, but it does open the door for some jokes that make the name even more ridiculous. For example, when Torii Hunter signed there after leaving the Twins a few years ago, one writer joked that his popularity in Minnesota could cause the Angels to be renamed the "Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim And Also Much of the Upper Midwest".
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: huskeroadgeek on April 24, 2012, 06:35:31 PM
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I've never liked the use of "Tampa Bay" even though I understand the perfectly legitimate marketing reasons for using it. I've simply seen too many media reports that erroneously use the name "Tampa Bay" as though it were an actual city (example: "The Outback Bowl is played at 11:00 AM on January 1 in Tampa Bay, Florida.") rather than a metropolitan area or a body of water. (The football game is played in Tampa, not in the water.)

I've come across that several times. I once had somebody actually tell me I was wrong when I told them that the name of the city that the Buccaneers played in was Tampa and not Tampa Bay. Their reasoning was that since Green Bay was a city, so was Tampa Bay.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on June 01, 2012, 10:42:24 PM
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Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on June 09, 2012, 10:01:51 AM
Another no-hitter last night. This time the Mariners no-hit the Dodgers, using five relievers after Kevin Millwood left with an injury after the sixth.

Somewhere, Tony La Russa nods approvingly.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on June 11, 2012, 01:15:16 PM
Another no-hitter last night. This time the Mariners no-hit the Dodgers, using five relievers after Kevin Millwood left with an injury after the sixth.

Somewhere, Tony La Russa nods approvingly.
Man the Dodgers are sliding down into the dark pit...shame that Kemp can't "stay healthy". Oh and so are the Metsies...can't catch a break on the road (and a bit of a disappointment coming from this die hard fan).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: texaskdog on June 11, 2012, 02:33:36 PM
Speaking of base-ball, looks like the Astros are going to the AL after all, so you'll have two 15-team leagues. To balance them out and prevent still more interleague, I propose adding a 16th team to each league. I've received some interesting comments on other potential additions but I'm sticking by these anyway.

AL East: Red Sox, Yankees, Orioles, Blue Jays
AL North: Twins, Tigers, White Sox, Indians
AL South: Rays, Astros, Rangers, Flyers - adding a Carolina team to a large, untapped market. Raleigh or Charlotte, doesn't matter.
AL West: Mariners, A's, Angels, Royals (someone has to do it)

NL East: Mets, Phillies, Nationals, Grays - mostly for historical sentiment, I'll admit, but I can't think of a better baseball city anyway.
NL North: Pirates, Reds, Brewers, Cubs
NL South: Braves, Marlins, Cardinals, Diamondbacks
NL West: Rockies, Giants, Dodgers, Padres

Austin....we don't have any major league teams and baseball does really well up in Round Rock, and will never be an NFL city
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: DBrim on June 12, 2012, 06:22:43 PM
Another no-hitter last night. This time the Mariners no-hit the Dodgers, using five relievers after Kevin Millwood left with an injury after the sixth.

Somewhere, Tony La Russa nods approvingly.
Man the Dodgers are sliding down into the dark pit...shame that Kemp can't "stay healthy". Oh and so are the Metsies...can't catch a break on the road (and a bit of a disappointment coming from this die hard fan).
Funny how a 7-3 road trip is "sliding down a dark pit".

I wish the Angels series was on a weekend so I could watch it.  Last night's game was close, and the other games should be good as well.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 14, 2012, 11:09:38 AM
Matt Cain perfect game, 14 K's.

of course, by now this is so routine that espn.com's front page shows some random golf thing instead of that.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on June 14, 2012, 12:19:33 PM
That and ESPN considers anything baseball-related outside the AL East and NL East to be less significant.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on June 16, 2012, 10:42:04 PM
Almost another no-hitter tonight. Jason Hammel of the Orioles gave up only one hit to the Braves, a single to Jason Heyward in the 7th. But thanks to MLB's blackout rules, I couldn't watch it despite being in the Orioles broadcast territory.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on June 16, 2012, 11:31:48 PM
Almost another no-hitter tonight. Jason Hammel of the Orioles gave up only one hit, a single to Jason Heyward in the 7th. But thanks to MLB's blackout rules, I couldn't watch it despite being in the Orioles broadcast territory.
This year is so exciting with starting pitching in the MLB! With the Mets grabbing a no-hit bid with Santana, Dickey almost getting one of his own, Cain's perfecto, Humber's perfecto, and now Hammel almost grabbing one for the Birds (gotta love the O's this year!) the pitching this year is unbelievable!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Mr_Northside on June 16, 2012, 11:53:35 PM
At least we know that steroid use is certainly going down.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on July 11, 2012, 08:18:40 PM
On this, the only day in America without pro sports, I'll just say this:
Suck it, American League!  3 in a row baby! How do YOU like it?  I guess you needed more Yankees or something.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on July 11, 2012, 08:37:31 PM
On this, the only day in America without pro sports, I'll just say this:
Washington and Connecticut are currently playing. San Antonio has already defeated Chicago and Atlanta has taken out Seattle. In a pro sport.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on July 11, 2012, 09:04:00 PM
Hahahahahahahaha- that's a pro sport as much as I am a goldfish
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on July 11, 2012, 09:30:19 PM
Hahahahahahahaha- that's a pro sport as much as I am a goldfish
Glub glub.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on July 11, 2012, 09:36:01 PM
I share about 80% of my DNA with a goldfish, and I'd say the WNBA is less than 80% a professional sport
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on July 11, 2012, 10:44:34 PM
I share about 80% of my DNA with a goldfish, and I'd say the WNBA is less than 80% a professional sport
The women who play it would strongly disagree. Basketball is a sport, and they are paid to play it. Ergo, professional.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on July 11, 2012, 10:47:18 PM
Hahahahahahahahaha- women's basketball is a sport
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 12, 2012, 09:31:17 PM
Hahahahahahahahaha- women's basketball is a sport

Sort of like outsiders viewing us, "roadgeeks," as neurotic cranks.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CanesFan27 on July 14, 2012, 06:43:25 PM
Took in a ball game at PNC Park over the 4th.

The Pirates beat the Astros 2-0.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamontheroad/sets/72157630521579114/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 01, 2012, 10:30:05 PM
The season is ending and my Angels are 2 games behind the A's in an effort to get to the AL wild card. I saw the Orioles and Yankees tied in the AL East, and the Reds and Nationals are leading the NL. Sadly, the Astros are in the bottom of the standings and next year is their first in the American League, the same division where the "Super-Rangers" have their 3rd straight winning season...and sorry Dodger fans, their cross-state rival Giants clinched the NL West.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on October 01, 2012, 10:55:26 PM
I never thought we'd get another team in DC. Makes tonight that much nicer.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 01, 2012, 11:05:55 PM
It's a good time to be a baseball fan from the Mid-Atlantic. (Unlike, say, every year since 2005. That was both the year the Nats moved and when I started watching the Orioles.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 02, 2012, 02:58:00 PM
 :clap: The Dodgers won last night vs. the Giants, however the chances of wild card qualification remains slim for the "Blue crew".  :-/  Don Mattingly managed the Dodgers like a manager should. Too bad for the Padres had a less than .500 year, rumor has it is looking to sign Sandy Alomar Jr. to manage them (also the Indians also contactedand  him).

I still want the Angels get the AL wild card spot in pursuit for their first world series in a decade. The problem was Albert Pujols and C.J. Wilson, former world series rivals last year needed to learn some teamwork in Angel uniform. This will happen in the world of pro sports when free agency and trading times can make teammates into rivals (and vice versa).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 02, 2012, 03:16:51 PM
I still want the Angels get the AL wild card spot in pursuit for their first world series in a decade.
They've been eliminated. The five AL playoff teams are the Yankees, Orioles, Tigers, Rangers and A's. The Tigers are the only ones whose spot is known (AL Central champs) because the other four teams are all close enough record-wise that the AL East and West are still undecided. The Yankees and Rangers both lead their divisions, and the A's and Orioles have identical records (92-68) in the wild card spots. Oakland won the season series 5-4 over the Orioles, so the wild card game would be in Oakland if the standings stay as is.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Duke87 on October 02, 2012, 11:38:47 PM
Apparently this year they've decided to start breaking ties for division champ vs wild card with an extra 1-game playoff rather than using head to head records. So, if the Yankees lose and Baltimore wins tomorrow night, they go at each other but both go to the playoffs regardless.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 03, 2012, 01:27:23 AM
Apparently this year they've decided to start breaking ties for division champ vs wild card with an extra 1-game playoff rather than using head to head records. So, if the Yankees lose and Baltimore wins tomorrow night, they go at each other but both go to the playoffs regardless.
Only if you believe the hype. The reason you need a one-game playoff is because you have a further one-game playoff for the two wild card teams. So winning the division guarantees you entry to "the playoffs", whereas wild card teams only have a 50% chance.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 03, 2012, 04:50:31 AM
Though the Reds denied the Cardinals a win last night by 3-1, the Cardinals are in the playoffs now. Apparently the Dodgers lost.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 03, 2012, 10:00:17 PM
The AL playoff teams are set. The Yankees win the East, the Tigers the Central, the A's (!) the West, and the Rangers and Orioles (both 93-69) the wild cards. The Rangers won the season series over the Orioles, so the Wild Card game is in Texas.

Also, Miguel Cabrera of the Tigers wins the first Triple Crown since 1967.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 03, 2012, 10:11:34 PM
The AL playoff teams are set. The Yankees win the East, the Tigers the Central, the A's (!) the West, and the Rangers and Orioles (both 93-69) the wild cards. The Rangers won the season series over the Orioles, so the Wild Card game is in Texas.

Also, Miguel Cabrera of the Tigers wins the first Triple Crown since 1967.
Pretty sure the Orioles weren't expecting a trip to Arlington tomorrow. Congrats to Miggy, and go Yankees!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Duke87 on October 03, 2012, 10:35:09 PM
Time to start busting out the predictions...

Orioles over Rangers: Texas slid into this position and is reeling. Baltimore is chugging along and will be stronger.
Braves over Cardinals: 5-1 head to head regular season. Easy call.

Yankees over Orioles in 4:  sorry Baltimore, but the Cinderella story this year is 50 miles to the south.
A's over Tigers in 4: the A's are on a roll right now. That will keep up.
Reds over Giants in 5: another toss-up, but for the sake of this exercise I have to pick one.
Nationals over Braves in 4: the Braves are overrated. And this is clearly Washington's year.

A's over Yankees in 7: The Bombers do not have a good record over the past decade or so of converting postseason appearances into championships. This year will not improve that record, but they will go down respectably.
Nationals over Reds in 6: will be a tough matchup, but again, this is Washington's year.

A's over Nationals in 5: But then in the world series, the carriage turns back into a pumpkin and the Nats fall to a team that has good experience with championships. "Their year" is just a pennant.

edited to fix seeding error

Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 03, 2012, 10:40:35 PM
Time to start busting out the predictions...

Orioles over Rangers: Texas slid into this position and is reeling. Baltimore is chugging along and will be stronger.

The Wild Card game winner plays the Yankees, because they have the best record. But I agree that the Rangers haven't looked that good lately, so the Orioles may have a good chance, even though they played most poorly against the AL West this year.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 03, 2012, 11:46:46 PM
Time to start busting out the predictions...

Orioles over Rangers: Texas slid into this position and is reeling. Baltimore is chugging along and will be stronger.
Braves over Cardinals: 5-1 head to head regular season. Easy call.

Yankees over Orioles in 4:  sorry Baltimore, but the Cinderella story this year is 50 miles to the south.
A's over Tigers in 4: the A's are on a roll right now. That will keep up.
Reds over Giants in 5: another toss-up, but for the sake of this exercise I have to pick one.
Nationals over Braves in 4: the Braves are overrated. And this is clearly Washington's year.

A's over Yankees in 7: The Bombers do not have a good record over the past decade or so of converting postseason appearances into championships. This year will not improve that record, but they will go down respectably.
Nationals over Reds in 6: will be a tough matchup, but again, this is Washington's year.

A's over Nationals in 5: But then in the world series, the carriage turns back into a pumpkin and the Nats fall to a team that has good experience with championships. "Their year" is just a pennant.

edited to fix seeding error

My predictions:
a. Yes, the Braves will beat the Cardinals. After all, you can't expect the defending champion team to be able to defend their championship by repeating when their head coach (Matheny) was previously a little league head coach. And Atlanta will want revenge for their fallout last year. Though it's crazy how the Cardinals have never repeated a World Series win.
b. Orioles over Rangers may be a little far-fetched, but the Rangers in my opinion are like the Buffalo Bills in MLB. I'll agree to this prediction. And the Yankees should be able to win against Baltimore.
c. The Reds will beat any NL team in their path. I don't think this is the Nationals year.
d. Yes the A's did sweep the Yanks this year  :banghead: but I think the Yankees will have revenge.
So my World Series prediction is:
Yankees vs. Reds. To be optimistic I'll say Yanks in 5. If Mariano Riveria is retiring this year, he should be able to do it in style.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on October 04, 2012, 03:23:58 AM
I like your prediction NYYPhil777!  Being a Yankees fan living outside of Cincinnati would make this World Series sweet.  Might even splurge and get tickets if this comes to fruition.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: akotchi on October 04, 2012, 09:17:56 AM
The AL playoff teams are set. The Yankees win the East, the Tigers the Central, the A's (!) the West, and the Rangers and Orioles (both 93-69) the wild cards. The Rangers won the season series over the Orioles, so the Wild Card game is in Texas.

Also, Miguel Cabrera of the Tigers wins the first Triple Crown since 1967.
(emphasis is mine)
I'm happy. :bigass:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 04, 2012, 06:40:46 PM
How about a Bal-Wash World Series?
I want that to happen just so I can use that funny shorthand.
And because those teams have been terrible forever and I'm jonesing for some more parity in baseball.

But as usual I'll cheer for anyone playing the Yankee$.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 04, 2012, 06:45:10 PM
Texas-Baltimore: Saunders vs. Darvish. I think Texas has the better pitcher lined up here, so I'll give them the win.
St. Louis-Atlanta: Both pitchers look to be excellent - Medlen has out of this world numbers, but anything can happen in 9 innings. This game I predict hinges on hitting, which I'll give to the Braves.

NY-Texas: Here's where the streaks come in, the Yankees having gotten hot at the right time. Sweep.
Detroit-Oakland: Ride the hot hand. Oakland in 5. (Detroit has some good pitching and hitting, so it will be hard won.)
Washington-San Francisco: Don't forget that the Nats and Braves can't play in the first round. Washington sweep.
Cincinnati-Atlanta: Atlanta in 4, the upset special of the DS. They've been there before, and the Reds always seem to underperform at the end of the year.

NY-Oakland: Yankees in 5. People will be expecting this to be a longer series, but a couple of breaks can make it go a lot faster. This is just a gut feeling, I can't back it up. (Also, the Yankees are known for defeating the A's in the playoffs.)
Washingon-Atlanta: Washington in 6. I want to pick Atlanta for many reasons - heck, look how close the regular season ended for the team supposedly "best in baseball" - but Washington has so much pitching depth they don't even need Strasburg to win in the playoffs. That said,

NY-Washington: Yankees in 6. Strasburg will be the difference between a WS win and a WS loss.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 04, 2012, 06:45:34 PM
How about a Bal-Wash World Series?
I want that to happen just so I can use that funny shorthand.
As per the parkway, it's Balto-Wash.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 04, 2012, 08:57:14 PM
The Reds might be underrated- after all, the NL Central champs aren't at said position for no reason. If the Reds can hold the defending champion Cardinals to second place, that has to be something special. And if San Francisco is to face Washington, I'd say it would be San Francisco sweep.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: akotchi on October 04, 2012, 10:40:15 PM
Texas-Baltimore: Saunders vs. Darvish. I think Texas has the better pitcher lined up here, so I'll give them the win.
St. Louis-Atlanta: Both pitchers look to be excellent - Medlen has out of this world numbers, but anything can happen in 9 innings. This game I predict hinges on hitting, which I'll give to the Braves.

NY-Texas: Here's where the streaks come in, the Yankees having gotten hot at the right time. Sweep.
Detroit-Oakland: Ride the hot hand. Oakland in 5. (Detroit has some good pitching and hitting, so it will be hard won.)
Washington-San Francisco: Don't forget that the Nats and Braves can't play in the first round. Washington sweep.
Cincinnati-Atlanta: Atlanta in 4, the upset special of the DS. They've been there before, and the Reds always seem to underperform at the end of the year.

NY-Oakland: Yankees in 5. People will be expecting this to be a longer series, but a couple of breaks can make it go a lot faster. This is just a gut feeling, I can't back it up. (Also, the Yankees are known for defeating the A's in the playoffs.)
Washingon-Atlanta: Washington in 6. I want to pick Atlanta for many reasons - heck, look how close the regular season ended for the team supposedly "best in baseball" - but Washington has so much pitching depth they don't even need Strasburg to win in the playoffs. That said,

NY-Washington: Yankees in 6. Strasburg will be the difference between a WS win and a WS loss.
I thought the rule of same-division teams facing one another in the Division Series was removed with the new format.  Isn't it strictly seeding now?

Also . . . thanks for reminding me of 2001 Game 3 all over again . . .  :banghead:

I'd like to think the A's will go deep in the playoffs (though I am biased) -- they faced all of the other AL playoff teams just during September.  Question is . . . can they do as well going through it a second time, especially worn down by the first time through.  Might be a light clubhouse, but there are many heavily-worked arms on the pitching staff right now and quite a few rookies not used to that amount of work.

We shall see, though.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Duke87 on October 04, 2012, 10:49:18 PM
I thought the rule of same-division teams facing one another in the Division Series was removed with the new format.  Isn't it strictly seeding now?

Yup. 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3. 4 is the wild card team. 1, 2, and 3 are the three division winners from best record to worst record. This works out as NYY(1) vs WC(4) and OAK(2) vs DET(3) in the AL, and WSH(1) vs WC(4) and CIN(2) vs SF(3)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 04, 2012, 11:36:54 PM
I thought the rule of same-division teams facing one another in the Division Series was removed with the new format.  Isn't it strictly seeding now?

Yup. 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3. 4 is the wild card team. 1, 2, and 3 are the three division winners from best record to worst record. This works out as NYY(1) vs WC(4) and OAK(2) vs DET(3) in the AL, and WSH(1) vs WC(4) and CIN(2) vs SF(3)

I searched online for that and didn't see it, but if they removed it, so it goes. In that case I definitely hope Baltimore wins - it's a better baseball matchup. (Though, as a Yankees fan, I should want the weaker opponent.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 05, 2012, 07:19:07 AM
I thought the rule of same-division teams facing one another in the Division Series was removed with the new format.  Isn't it strictly seeding now?

Yup. 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3. 4 is the wild card team. 1, 2, and 3 are the three division winners from best record to worst record. This works out as NYY(1) vs WC(4) and OAK(2) vs DET(3) in the AL, and WSH(1) vs WC(4) and CIN(2) vs SF(3)

I searched online for that and didn't see it, but if they removed it, so it goes. In that case I definitely hope Baltimore wins - it's a better baseball matchup. (Though, as a Yankees fan, I should want the weaker opponent.)

It has been removed.  I definitely know that because as a Braves fan I know they will be playing the Nationals if they win tonight.  This MLB.com article that verifies that  point (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120925&content_id=38984388&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb) as it is referencing these matchups possibly happening.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 05, 2012, 08:47:39 PM
So the Cardinals have beaten the Braves 6-3 to win the NL Wild Card. The Cards will now face the Nats in the NL(D?)S.

As for my World Series predictions, I just hope it'll somehow turn into the Battle of the Bay with the Giants in the A's facing each other. That'll be epic.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hbelkins on October 05, 2012, 09:24:30 PM
I haven't been a MLB fan since the 1994 strike, but I couldn't help but notice tonight. My FB feed blew up over an alleged bad call concerning the infield fly rule.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on October 05, 2012, 09:35:08 PM
You mean the outfield fly rule?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 06, 2012, 12:42:26 AM
The Orioles won the AL wild card game, 5-1. Joe Saunders (VA represent!) outdueled the Rangers' Yu Darvish, with the Orioles adding a few more runs late in the game. The O's now face the Yankees in the ALDS. Should be an interesting series, since they split the season series 9-9.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: TheHighwayMan394 on October 06, 2012, 08:50:26 PM
I haven't been a MLB fan since the 1994 strike, but I couldn't help but notice tonight. My FB feed blew up over an alleged bad call concerning the infield fly rule.

The more I see replays and hear about it the less horrible I think it was, but I still don't agree with it. At the same time though people can't compare it to the Packers/Seahawks call. The Braves were losing at the time of the call and still would have needed 2 or 3 clutch hits to tie or lead.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 06, 2012, 10:28:19 PM
You mean the outfield fly rule?
It wasn't egregious. The thing is, the infielder was clearly camped under it well before the ball fell - but between the late fly rule call and the outfielder behind him, he pulled out at the last second. If the call had been made earlier or not at all, it might have played out differently. (Unless the umpire didn't make any noise when he called. I don't know.) It didn't concern me as something worth protesting, which was borne out by the quick decision.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Duke87 on October 06, 2012, 11:00:04 PM
I just don't see how running back halfway to the warning track constitutes "ordinary effort". Yes, it's at the umpire's discretion and the call is legit by the book, but come on now.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hbelkins on October 06, 2012, 11:11:08 PM
he pulled out at the last second

 :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 08, 2012, 01:03:17 AM
Yankees beat Baltimore tonight 7-2.  :thumbsup:
Like I said, the Reds will be a force to be reckoned with- they shut-out the Giants tonight 9-0.
Now I'm thinking the Tigers will destroy the A's.
And the Nationals beat the Cardinals 3-2.
Looking good so far.
(Corrected- the Nationals did not score 4 and the Cardinals did not score 3.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 09, 2012, 03:16:39 PM
The Reds and the Tigers will be going for the sweep today.  Seems likely at least one will prevail.
Things are all even after 2 in the other Division Series'.  The Cardinals did it with offense; the Orioles with pitching (and a lot of LOB).

It seems unfair that only the World Series and one of the League Championships are broadcast on free TV.  Make people have cable/satellite to watch the playoffs for America's Past Time?  That's bullcrap.
I guess I should be happy they still broadcast baseball games at all on regular TV in this media landscape.

I say this as a person who has all the requisite cable channels at his disposal (in HD no less).  It's the principle of the matter.  Baseball should be important enough for network television in the United States of America; especially the playoffs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on October 09, 2012, 11:05:06 PM
It seems unfair that only the World Series and one of the League Championships are broadcast on free TV.  Make people have cable/satellite to watch the playoffs for America's Past Time?  That's bullcrap.
I guess I should be happy they still broadcast baseball games at all on regular TV in this media landscape.

I say this as a person who has all the requisite cable channels at his disposal (in HD no less).  It's the principle of the matter.  Baseball should be important enough for network television in the United States of America; especially the playoffs.

Other than the NFL, all the other sports have taken their "postseason" to cable.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Duke87 on October 10, 2012, 09:07:01 PM
It doesn't really matter, anyway. The days of free TV are gone now that the signal has been switched to digital, nobody makes TVs with rabbit ears anymore, and the antenna hookups have been removed from a lot of old buildings and aren't installed in new ones.

I do not have TV service in my apartment at all because I am not paying for cable. There is no hookup available for free TV, or for satellite, and I as a lowly tenant cannot put one in.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 15, 2012, 02:01:51 AM
Only one California team the Giants made it to the NLCS by reversing their 2-0 game loss to a 3-2 game victory. I watched the Cards game 5 surprise over the Nationals and tonight the Cards beat the Giants in the 1st game of the NLCS. I'm keeping an eye on the Tigers-Yanks ALCS as the Tigers' 2nd straight appearance should bring out civic pride to an economically troubled city like Detroit. The Yanks got lucky in game 5 of the ALDS over the O's due to umpire interpretation and instant replay analysis, while the Tigers manage to get back for the A's shocking moments to withheld the Tigers' victory.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on October 15, 2012, 04:54:23 AM
As a Yankee fan, the Derek Jeter injury is really going to keep the Yankees from having a realistic shot at the World Series.  I'll keep pulling for them, but my hopes aren't too high.  A-Rod isn't hitting a lick, Nick Swisher isn't hitting, nor is the Grandy Man.  It's a shame that any of them aren't on the streak Raul Ibanez is on.
Cincinnati picked a fine time not to play well at home.  Baserunning mistakes (Brandon Phillips in the first inning of Game 3), in which I heard Marty Brennaman say on the radio, "I hope this doesn't come back to haunt the Reds", an ill-timed passed ball and error (also in Game 3), and a failure to hit in critical situations doomed the team.  Congrats to the Giants in a series in which no team won at home.
Was this the first time all four divisional series went to the full five games?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 15, 2012, 09:26:39 AM
As a Yankee fan, the Derek Jeter injury is really going to keep the Yankees from having a realistic shot at the World Series.  I'll keep pulling for them, but my hopes aren't too high.  A-Rod isn't hitting a lick, Nick Swisher isn't hitting, nor is the Grandy Man.  It's a shame that any of them aren't on the streak Raul Ibanez is on.
The Orioles-Yankees ALDS was poor offensively for both sides. Reynolds, Wieters, Jones, and pretty much everyone besides Nate McLouth struggled for the O's.

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Was this the first time all four divisional series went to the full five games?
Yes.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 15, 2012, 11:29:35 PM
The Giants have beaten the Cardinals 12-1 to tie the NLCS 1-1. Next game is on Wednesday in St. Louis.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on October 16, 2012, 02:03:54 AM
Ever notice when the Cardinals win 83, 89, or 90 games and make the playoffs as a wild-card team that they seem to win the World Series?  Of course, they have one of the better-run organizations in MLB.

I know, the Cardinals won the NL Central in 2006 with an 83-78 record and beat Detroit in that year's World Series.  Could we see a rematch this year?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Beltway on October 16, 2012, 09:51:30 PM
It doesn't really matter, anyway. The days of free TV are gone now that the signal has been switched to digital, nobody makes TVs with rabbit ears anymore, and the antenna hookups have been removed from a lot of old buildings and aren't installed in new ones.

I do not have TV service in my apartment at all because I am not paying for cable. There is no hookup available for free TV, or for satellite, and I as a lowly tenant cannot put one in.

I get free TV over the air in my city ... ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, and 2 other UHF stations.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on October 17, 2012, 05:46:23 PM
It doesn't really matter, anyway. The days of free TV are gone now that the signal has been switched to digital, nobody makes TVs with rabbit ears anymore, and the antenna hookups have been removed from a lot of old buildings and aren't installed in new ones.

I do not have TV service in my apartment at all because I am not paying for cable. There is no hookup available for free TV, or for satellite, and I as a lowly tenant cannot put one in.

You don't need to have a TV "made with" rabbit ears to use rabbit ears. You can buy a UHF/VHF antenna at a store like Best Buy for around $15 and get decent performance out of it if you live an an area with strong enough signals. We have two TVs connected to DirecTV and two for which we use this type of RCA antenna (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/RCA+-+UHF/VHF/FM+Indoor+Antenna/4780115.p?id=1051806247493&skuId=4780115&st=antenna&cp=1&lp=4); the two for which we use the antennas are located in the master bedroom and guest room and we just don't watch them enough to make it worth the money to connect them to DirecTV. Mostly we use the master bedroom one for the 11:00 news each night, though sometimes I tune in sports on the weekend if I happen to be upstairs. The signal is generally quite good on most stations, nice crisp 720p image (the TV is a 22-incher that doesn't support 1080i). The only real annoyance is that with digital television the picture breaks up and the audio freezes when you get interference, as opposed to the snow and static most of us experienced when we adjusted the built-in rabbit ears when we were growing up.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on October 18, 2012, 04:10:23 AM
Well, my Yankees stave off elimination.............by NOT PLAYING!! :-D
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: MDOTFanFB on October 18, 2012, 07:42:28 PM
As a Yankee fan, the Derek Jeter injury is really going to keep the Yankees from having a realistic shot at the World Series.  I'll keep pulling for them, but my hopes aren't too high.  A-Rod isn't hitting a lick, Nick Swisher isn't hitting, nor is the Grandy Man.  It's a shame that any of them aren't on the streak Raul Ibanez is on.
Cincinnati picked a fine time not to play well at home.  Baserunning mistakes (Brandon Phillips in the first inning of Game 3), in which I heard Marty Brennaman say on the radio, "I hope this doesn't come back to haunt the Reds", an ill-timed passed ball and error (also in Game 3), and a failure to hit in critical situations doomed the team.  Congrats to the Giants in a series in which no team won at home.
Was this the first time all four divisional series went to the full five games?

And that has just helped my Tigers to advance to the World Series for the 11th time and win the AL pennant!  :sombrero:  :clap:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on October 18, 2012, 08:59:01 PM
Yes, and congrats!   :clap: 

A team that hit .188 in the postseason (after tonight's debacle) doesn't deserve to go to the World Series.  The Yankees have many questions that need to be addressed this off-season, especially what to do about A-Rod.  :hmmm:

I'll be pulling for the Tigers to win this year's Series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 18, 2012, 10:35:59 PM
Yes, and congrats!   :clap: 

A team that hit .188 in the postseason (after tonight's debacle) doesn't deserve to go to the World Series.  The Yankees have many questions that need to be addressed this off-season, especially what to do about A-Rod.  :hmmm:

I'll be pulling for the Tigers to win this year's Series.
I don't have any dogs in this fight anymore, but I agree, the Yankees did everything in their power to lose and Detroit took full advantage. I have no issue with the Tigers going on to win it all. I don't need to feel "we got beaten by the best" because the Yankees could have been beaten by the worst just as easily the way they played.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kurumi on October 18, 2012, 11:08:19 PM
Congrats Detroit... hopefully you will have the opportunity to try for a Bay Area postseason sweep (A's and Giants); and hopefully you will come up just short. :-)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 19, 2012, 11:16:12 AM
I'll be pulling for the Tigers to win this year's Series.

Same here, especially if the NLCS keeps going like it has.

You see when the Cardinals ended Milwaukee's playoff run in last year's NLCS, it was especially bitter since that was the same team that defeated the Brewers in the '82 World Series.  And 2011 was probably the best shot Milwaukee was going to have at finally winning a World Series.  The same team denies you your first title twice and that team has the second most all time to boot.

With ex-Brewer Prince Fielder back in the playoffs this year as a Tiger, I feel like them doing well will avenge our defeat by proxy.  And if it turns out they have to defeat the Cardinals to do that, well that would just be poetic justice.  And with the Cards up 3-1 going into tonight's game 5, it seems like the Tigers might have to.

So go Detoit!  And screw you, David Freese; playing great again this October just like last year.  :angry:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Duke87 on October 19, 2012, 09:44:41 PM
I don't have any dogs in this fight anymore, but I agree, the Yankees did everything in their power to lose and Detroit took full advantage. I have no issue with the Tigers going on to win it all. I don't need to feel "we got beaten by the best" because the Yankees could have been beaten by the worst just as easily the way they played.

It's not just that. The Yankees notoriously never play well against Detroit and have never beaten them in the postseason (though, since they used to be in the same division, this is only the third time that matchup has occured).

The series against Baltimore exhausted them and they just didn't have the oomph after that.

And of course, Jeter being injured and A-Rod not performing didn't help anything, either.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on October 19, 2012, 09:54:22 PM
What is Detroit's record in the playoffs vs. the Yankees all-time?  13-3?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 22, 2012, 04:53:54 AM
I await game 7 of the NLCS (checked out the scores late at night) to find the Giants manage to stay alive, and I can't get over the Yankees' swept by the Tigers. Man oh man, talk about an ultimate match of "David and goliath" proportions.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 22, 2012, 12:30:25 PM
I'll be pulling for the Tigers to win this year's Series.
As will I, because my two most hated teams are playing in Game 7 of the NLCS. As a Cubs and Dodgers fan, I'm putting my hope in the Tigers to win their first championship since 1984.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 22, 2012, 05:21:45 PM
Most likely, it will be Tigers vs. Giants. I think the Cardinals' game is through. I'd say Tigers in 5. The Tigers will be almost unstoppable.
Though if the Cardinals do return to the World Series this year, I'll root for Detroit- revenge for 2006!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on October 23, 2012, 02:04:12 AM
Yes, it's a Tigers-Giants World Series!  Go Tigers!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 24, 2012, 11:15:40 PM
The Giants whooped the Tigers 8-3. Pablo Sandoval joined Babe Ruth, Reggie Jackson and Albert Pujols as the only players in MLB history to hit three home runs in a World Series game. I knew the Giants would take Game 1 at least, but I was not expecting them to demolish the Tigers tonight like they did the Cardinals in Game 7 of the NCLS.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 24, 2012, 11:47:04 PM
Giants win Game 1!!! Proof that not even Verlander could beat us...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on October 26, 2012, 01:56:23 AM
Make that Giants up 2-0.  Looks like the same thing that happened in 2006 with the Tigers is happening this year--a long layoff between winning the ALCS and playing in the Series and then playing poorly.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 26, 2012, 02:05:29 AM
2-0... both the score the Giants beat the Tigers by, and the amount of games the Giants and Tigers have won respectively in this series.
We may be on to something about teams that have three and more days of no baseball between their respective CLS and the World Series.
For that, Detroit's game might be through too. I will now change my prediction to Giants in 5, as the Tigers will win October 27, but probably no more.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on October 26, 2012, 03:09:04 AM
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The only real annoyance is that with digital television the picture breaks up and the audio freezes when you get interference, as opposed to the snow and static most of us experienced when we adjusted the built-in rabbit ears when we were growing up.

Which renders free TV all but useless because you have to live in an area with perfect reception to see the channel now
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 26, 2012, 03:32:43 PM
Make that Giants up 2-0.  Looks like the same thing that happened in 2006 with the Tigers is happening this year--a long layoff between winning the ALCS and playing in the Series and then playing poorly.
In 2006, Detroit won Game 2 (their only win that year's world series). Obviously not this year though.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 28, 2012, 12:05:11 AM
And the Giants won Game 3 by 2-0. Chances are, the Giants will sweep the Tigers.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 28, 2012, 05:26:42 AM
The 2012 Giants are better than in 2010! Too bad the Oakland A's face defeat by the Tigers in the divisional playoff. No bay Area series, but that's what I call irony.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 28, 2012, 07:21:02 AM
The 2012 Giants are better than in 2010! Too bad the Oakland A's face defeat by the Tigers in the divisional playoff. No bay Area series, but that's what I call irony.
That would make you the only person to call that irony. www.dictionary.com
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 28, 2012, 11:52:06 PM
Giants win the World Series!!! Bringing the trophy back to the bay...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ljwestmcsd on October 28, 2012, 11:53:12 PM
The Giants win the pennant! The Giants win the pennant! The Giants win the pennant!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 29, 2012, 01:22:35 AM
From a Yankees fan, congratulations Giants on winning this year's World Series, you deserve it. The Giants just happen to be the best team this year.
I correctly predicted that Sandoval would be the World Series MVP.
This is the 7th World Series title for the Giants, and the second in three years for the Giants.
As for the rest of the baseball teams, there's always next year.
I suppose with the New York Giants winning the Super Bowl this year, and the San Francisco Giants winning the World Series this year, 2012 must be the year of the Giant.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on April 01, 2013, 10:08:10 PM
It's baseball season again!

A glorious time when we we're all excited to see our teams play for the first time in months and have completely forgotten the ways they suck. :P

I'll be headin' out to the ol' ballpark this weekend to see my Boozers play the D-Bags.  In the immortal words of Homer Simpson, "It's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get."
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hm insulators on April 09, 2013, 04:45:41 PM
Go Dodgers!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on April 09, 2013, 08:01:30 PM
The game I saw was terrible; lousy pitching, bad hitting and no Braun, Ramirez or Hart. My team got crushed.  At least I got to high-five all the racing sausages! Go Polish!

The game may have sucked, but the tailgate party was fan-fucking-tastic!  Great food, delicious beer, and I learned a fun new drinking game from this German dude that's perfect for tailgating.  It did rain, but we were prepared and once it passed, it was gorgeous.  Good times.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on April 09, 2013, 11:35:00 PM
I'm the ultimate case of forgetting how much my team sucked the last 2 months of last year.  Of course they quit on Kermit the Frog er..Bobby V.  John Farrell is a welcome breath of fresh air so far.  Ok, so it's early, but we're 5-2 so far. The expectations are low, but the Sox could surprise.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on May 18, 2013, 03:59:52 PM
The Angels starring 2012 MVP Mike Trout are 15 wins at the present, 12 games behind the Texas Rangers leading the American League, while the St. Louis Cardinals leads the National. My world series prediction (just for fun) is the Braves over Red Sox in 7 games, since the Braves and Red Sox are doing excellent so far. I give credit to the world series champ Giants and contender Tigers, but I expect more wins by the Yankees and Nationals (wild cards).

I been a long time Angels fan when they're winning (their 2002 world series win), but rooted for the Blue Jays in their back-to-back world series era (1992 and 93) interrupted by the 1994 players strike. I keep an eye on the Angels' farm system: Salt Lake (triple-A), Arkansas (AA) Inland Empire and Burlington, Iowa (class A), Orem (short-season A) and the Arizona league rookie team. The Angels former affiliates Lake Elsinore and Rancho Cucamonga of the California League are successful minor league teams in attendance, renevue and civic pride.

The Angels have been part of my life and my family's. I remember viewing the then-California Angels (and briefly the Anaheim Angels, 1997-2005) from a side fence in their former spring training site in Palm Springs in the late 1980s when my Dad lived not far from the stadium at the time. Palm Springs had the minor league affiliate from 1986 to 93 when the minor Angels left town, not long after the Angels spring training camp went to Tempe, Arizona.

I attended two Angels games (in 1996 and 2010 vs. Yankees) and will attend my third game this Sunday (vs. the White sox), so I'm excited to watch them as I visit Anaheim Stadium again. And like my Mom said, who grown up partly in Garden Grove in Orange county when the stadium first opened in 1966: the Angels' tradition of losing at home (and boy, they did when I watched the games). I also attended a Mariners (lost to Yankees) in 2007 and Padres game each (they beat the Giants) in 2009.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on May 18, 2013, 04:03:37 PM
Speaking of the Angels, they've been disappointing me as of late. So are the Blue Jays. I say that because I predict both of them to be in the postseason. As for my World Series predictions, I'm still barely hanging on to my Angels/Nationals World Series, though I might start to change my AL Champions prediction. I still want my Giants to be successful, so I put them in the NLCS being beaten by the Nats.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on May 18, 2013, 04:11:28 PM
As a Mariners fan, nothing makes me happier than seeing the Angels throw a ton of money at players who are past their prime and watching those results play out.

Real Angels fans are cool, but they're few and far between. For every person like you who actually knows the Angels (which I respect), there's 10 people that are "Angels fans" that can't name a player on the team- they're the Red Sox of the west, and because of that the team on the whole disgusts me. The whole franchise, from Arte Moreno to suburban LA culture to the rally monkey to Mike Scioscia comes off as very smug and entitled, and I actively root for their failure.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on May 20, 2013, 01:03:39 AM
The Angels won at home: 6 runs to 2. I feel great to watch my team managed to pull it off today. White sox Sux. BOO HOO...Losers. xD
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 20, 2013, 07:41:55 AM
The Angels won at home: 6 runs to 2. I feel great to watch my team managed to pull it off today. White sox Sux. BOO HOO...Losers. xD

Exactly the kind of class I expect from LA fans.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on May 20, 2013, 08:42:51 PM
The Angels won at home: 6 runs to 2. I feel great to watch my team managed to pull it off today. White sox Sux. BOO HOO...Losers. xD

Exactly the kind of class I expect from LA fans.
Okay, okay, stop.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Dougtone on May 20, 2013, 08:58:48 PM
I'm the ultimate case of forgetting how much my team sucked the last 2 months of last year.  Of course they quit on Kermit the Frog er..Bobby V.  John Farrell is a welcome breath of fresh air so far.  Ok, so it's early, but we're 5-2 so far. The expectations are low, but the Sox could surprise.

Mets fans have been clamoring for the return of Bobby V for years now.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on June 29, 2013, 02:37:10 AM
Gotta give props to Pittsburgh for having a good club this year.  After so much time in the cellar, it's good to see the Pirates making some noise again.  I was a wee lad the last time they were any good.

In the AL, I'm pulling for Detroit again.  I think I've stated before that I'm not bitter about not being able to keep Prince Fielder in Milwaukee.  He was worth more than MKE could afford.  I want him to win it all and since the goddamn Cardinals denied us yet again in 2011, I shall live vicariously via Fielder and the Tigers.

Meanwhile in the basement of the NL Central, there are more problems than solutions.  Ryan Braun has missed a lot of time with a nagging thumb injury (that's only the tip of the injury iceberg), starting pitching continues to get shelled, it seems the entire season may pass without a true first basemen (and everyone who has filled in there can't hit for shit), not many people going yard compared to the last couple years, three runs deficits seem insurmountable this year...  Rickie Weeks; it's really hard to get excited about his recent uptick in performance since he did jack shit for so long.
The one bright spot has been Jean Segura.  The Crew got him last summer from the Angels as part of a trade for Zach Grienke and he is having a break out season.  That man is a baller.  Hopefully Segura and a healthy Ryan Braun can be the centerpiece of this ball club in the next couple seasons.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tchafe1978 on July 01, 2013, 12:36:17 AM
It's time for the Brewers to have a fire sale and start rebuilding the farm system. They seriously need some pitching depth. Bring up any prospects who are having a good year in AAA and let them start getting experience. Their only hope for a successful season is to finish ahead of the sCrubs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on July 02, 2013, 08:18:26 AM
I'm the ultimate case of forgetting how much my team sucked the last 2 months of last year.  Of course they quit on Kermit the Frog er..Bobby V.  John Farrell is a welcome breath of fresh air so far.  Ok, so it's early, but we're 5-2 so far. The expectations are low, but the Sox could surprise.

Mets fans have been clamoring for the return of Bobby V for years now.

Gotta love those sox this year...shame Buchholz went down with an injury he was Cy Young caliber thus far with the way he's been pitching.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on July 02, 2013, 10:43:47 PM
So tonight (July 2) in Cincinnati, Homer Bailey of the Reds pitched a no-hitter against the San Francisco Giants. He was perfect until he gave up a walk to Gregor Blanco in the 7th.

Although I am a Giants fan and am disappointed at not just this game but how bad we've been doing recently, I do tip my cap to Homer Bailey for pitching his second career no-no. I'm sure it's a big accomplishment for any pitcher...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on July 10, 2013, 11:05:30 PM
So tonight (July 2) in Cincinnati, Homer Bailey of the Reds pitched a no-hitter against the San Francisco Giants. He was perfect until he gave up a walk to Gregor Blanco in the 7th.

Although I am a Giants fan and am disappointed at not just this game but how bad we've been doing recently, I do tip my cap to Homer Bailey for pitching his second career no-no. I'm sure it's a big accomplishment for any pitcher...

Least you're doing better than the White Sox  :no: I've started watching the Giants because at least they know how to win this season, and it's getting really tiring watching them blow good starting pitching.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on July 11, 2013, 01:10:13 AM
So tonight (July 2) in Cincinnati, Homer Bailey of the Reds pitched a no-hitter against the San Francisco Giants. He was perfect until he gave up a walk to Gregor Blanco in the 7th.

Although I am a Giants fan and am disappointed at not just this game but how bad we've been doing recently, I do tip my cap to Homer Bailey for pitching his second career no-no. I'm sure it's a big accomplishment for any pitcher...

Least you're doing better than the White Sox  :no: I've started watching the Giants because at least they know how to win this season, and it's getting really tiring watching them blow good starting pitching.

"Knowing how to win this season." While I'd hate to be betting against my team, considering how bad we've been doing this summer, the Giants are knowing how to do the exact opposite. All our starters but Bumgarner are struggling, our offense is pretty much asleep, most of out outfielders don't know how to catch a fly ball. To top it all off, we usually have an early deficit due to a big inning by the opposing team. And I'm a Giants fan to say all this!

Does your last statement refer to the Giants or the White Sox?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 11, 2013, 07:40:32 AM
I think for the White Sox this is simply a lost season.  Get it over with and move on to the next one.  I can't imagine what it would be like to be a fan of a team that has a lost season every year for 100+ years.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on July 12, 2013, 09:37:21 AM
I think for the White Sox this is simply a lost season.  Get it over with and move on to the next one.  I can't imagine what it would be like to be a fan of a team that has a lost season every year for 100+ years.

Just ask a Cubs fan...no offense but they would know how it is for a team that hasn't won a World Series since 1908.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on July 12, 2013, 10:43:46 AM
I think for the White Sox this is simply a lost season.  Get it over with and move on to the next one.  I can't imagine what it would be like to be a fan of a team that has a lost season every year for 100+ years.

Just ask a Cubs fan...no offense but they would know how it is for a team that hasn't won a World Series since 1908.

I have a buddy who's an Astros fan.  Basically taking it all in stride in knowing that they're taking the right steps for the future.  I did my time as a Red Sox fan (1984-2004, and I still am), and the ending of 2011 and last year were tough to watch, so much I didn't even watch a game last September knowing the wheels were off.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 12, 2013, 11:38:37 AM
Well, at least the White Sox have won two World Series championships in that same timespan (1917 and 2005), so their fans can take comfort in that fact.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on July 14, 2013, 01:14:17 AM
Just two weeks after the Giants got no-hit by the Homer Bailey and the Reds, the Giants get a no-hitter against the Padres by Tim Lincecum. He threw 148 pitches in a 9-0 game.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on July 18, 2013, 11:40:29 PM
So tonight (July 2) in Cincinnati, Homer Bailey of the Reds pitched a no-hitter against the San Francisco Giants. He was perfect until he gave up a walk to Gregor Blanco in the 7th.

Although I am a Giants fan and am disappointed at not just this game but how bad we've been doing recently, I do tip my cap to Homer Bailey for pitching his second career no-no. I'm sure it's a big accomplishment for any pitcher...

Least you're doing better than the White Sox  :no: I've started watching the Giants because at least they know how to win this season, and it's getting really tiring watching them blow good starting pitching.

"Knowing how to win this season." While I'd hate to be betting against my team, considering how bad we've been doing this summer, the Giants are knowing how to do the exact opposite. All our starters but Bumgarner are struggling, our offense is pretty much asleep, most of out outfielders don't know how to catch a fly ball. To top it all off, we usually have an early deficit due to a big inning by the opposing team. And I'm a Giants fan to say all this!

Does your last statement refer to the Giants or the White Sox?

Sox but then I watched the Giants. Almost similar boats  :-/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on July 22, 2013, 09:12:50 PM
Well, shit...
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130722&content_id=54364032&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130722&content_id=54364032&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

It seems the Biogenesis heads are starting to roll.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on July 27, 2013, 01:02:43 AM
Just two weeks after the Giants got no-hit by the Homer Bailey and the Reds, the Giants get a no-hitter against the Padres by Tim Lincecum. He threw 148 pitches in a 9-0 game.
That's a lot of pitches!!!  Probably 25-30 too many.  I hope this doesn't affect him for the next few starts.  Or have something happen to him like Johan Santana after he pitched his no-hitter with the Mets.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on July 27, 2013, 01:12:47 AM
Just two weeks after the Giants got no-hit by the Homer Bailey and the Reds, the Giants get a no-hitter against the Padres by Tim Lincecum. He threw 148 pitches in a 9-0 game.
That's a lot of pitches!!!  Probably 25-30 too many.  I hope this doesn't affect him for the next few starts.  Or have something happen to him like Johan Santana after he pitched his no-hitter with the Mets.
From a post-game interview, Giants manager Bruce Bochy said that Lincy wasn't even feeling tired throughout the game. (It's the weed!) His first start after his no-hitter turned out pretty bad as he got pretty beaten in a 11-0 Reds win.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on August 06, 2013, 12:31:30 AM
Boy did A-Roid get a warm reception tonight?  :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on August 06, 2013, 12:54:42 AM
^ Yeah, that was fantastic.  It's a shame the Yankees started him (another reason to hate the Yankees), and its a shame he got a hit.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: texaskdog on August 06, 2013, 08:25:04 AM
I think for the White Sox this is simply a lost season.  Get it over with and move on to the next one.  I can't imagine what it would be like to be a fan of a team that has a lost season every year for 100+ years.

Just ask a Cubs fan...no offense but they would know how it is for a team that hasn't won a World Series since 1908.

After the way they treated Steve Bartman, here's hoping they never win another.  Though I'd still take them over the Red Sox.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on August 06, 2013, 10:50:09 AM
^ Yeah, that was fantastic.  It's a shame the Yankees started him (another reason to hate the Yankees), and its a shame he got a hit.
But at least the Yankees didn't win!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 06, 2013, 11:59:28 AM
^ Yeah, that was fantastic.  It's a shame the Yankees started him (another reason to hate the Yankees), and its a shame he got a hit.

I'm no fan of the Yankees, but MLB makes the decisions on suspensions and procedures are negotiated through the players' association, so he's on the Yankees roster right now whether they like it or not, and with the lack of production they've been getting from 3B, there's no way to argue that sitting him is a sound baseball decision, so the union would file a grievance pretty quickly if the Yankees tried it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on August 07, 2013, 12:09:31 AM
^ Yeah, that was fantastic.  It's a shame the Yankees started him (another reason to hate the Yankees), and its a shame he got a hit.

I'm no fan of the Yankees, but MLB makes the decisions on suspensions and procedures are negotiated through the players' association, so he's on the Yankees roster right now whether they like it or not, and with the lack of production they've been getting from 3B, there's no way to argue that sitting him is a sound baseball decision, so the union would file a grievance pretty quickly if the Yankees tried it.
They already tried it with the bruised quad thing. I think their hand was forced. Frankly, he's been better than everyone else on the roster right now. I hope he's gone before I see the game Saturday, but if not, hearty boos coming from my mouth.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on August 07, 2013, 12:58:50 AM
These are likely his very last MLB games. He's a massive douche and incredibly unlikable, but steroids or not he was still one of the great ones and he should be able to get some closure, as he's hopefully getting right now.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on September 18, 2013, 04:44:35 PM
First, we had the "butt fumble."  Now, we have the "butt slide."

In a game between the Cincinnati Reds and the Houston Astros, a batter from Houston slapped a single to left center where Shin-Soo Choo cut it off and threw to second base when he saw the batter try to stretch it into a double.  Brandon Phillips took the throw and without turning around put his glove in front of the base between his legs.  The Houston batter slid headfirst into the tag at second as well as Phillips' butt facefirst.  It was both impressive and hilarious to see!

The Reds won 10-0, giving the Astros their 100th loss of the season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on September 18, 2013, 09:59:49 PM
First, we had the "butt fumble."  Now, we have the "butt slide."

We all love animated GIFs:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/astro-slides-face-first-phillips-fanny-article-1.1459865
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 19, 2013, 10:33:57 PM
Let's embed the butt tag for our enjoyment.
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1459870.1379526962!/img/httpImage/buttslide.gif)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: akotchi on September 23, 2013, 12:56:56 PM
These are likely his very last MLB games. He's a massive douche and incredibly unlikable, but steroids or not he was still one of the great ones and he should be able to get some closure, as he's hopefully getting right now.

Sorry to bump this, but does anyone know when his appeal will be heard?  I am surprised it has been delayed enough to let him play basically the rest of the season.  It makes the announcement and severity of the punishment almost a joke if it is not adjudicated and enforced on a timely basis.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 26, 2013, 12:49:21 AM
Sorry to bump this, but does anyone know when his appeal will be heard?  I am surprised it has been delayed enough to let him play basically the rest of the season.  It makes the announcement and severity of the punishment almost a joke if it is not adjudicated and enforced on a timely basis.

In the off season.

They rule against A-Rod and he will promptly retire.

This weekend will be the last time you see Alex Rodriguez play Major League Baseball.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on September 26, 2013, 01:35:12 AM
Sorry to bump this, but does anyone know when his appeal will be heard?  I am surprised it has been delayed enough to let him play basically the rest of the season.  It makes the announcement and severity of the punishment almost a joke if it is not adjudicated and enforced on a timely basis.

In the off season.

They rule against A-Rod and he will promptly retire.

This weekend will be the last time you see Alex Rodriguez play Major League Baseball.
:clap:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 26, 2013, 02:09:18 PM
In the off season.

They rule against A-Rod and he will promptly retire.

This weekend will be the last time you see Alex Rodriguez play Major League Baseball.

Good riddance if MLB makes that 211-game suspension stick.

N.Y. Times: In Fight for Legacy, Rodriguez Fields Costly Team of All-Stars (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/24/sports/baseball/in-fight-for-legacy-yankees-rodriguez-fields-costly-team-of-all-stars.html)

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With Alex Rodriguez, everything is always outsize, from his $275 million contract, to his gaudy home run totals, to the vitriol he faces at nearly every major league baseball stadium.

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So it is fitting that as he prepares to appeal his 211-game suspension — baseball’s longest doping punishment — he has a supersize team of advisers to counsel him in a showdown that could define, or destroy, his legacy.

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The case carries considerable weight for both sides. A lengthy suspension could cost Rodriguez roughly $32 million in lost salary, and perhaps end his career. Major League Baseball sees the suspension as a symbol of its efforts to fight doping, which has ensnared many of the sport’s biggest names in recent years.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 26, 2013, 02:40:30 PM
When was the last time that both Chicago teams finished in last place? It looks like it's happening this year :(
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 26, 2013, 11:24:30 PM
When was the last time that both Chicago teams finished in last place? It looks like it's happening this year :(
So it wasn't all bad news this season!   :-D

I kid, I kid.
I enjoy being rivaled against Chicago teams.  It makes sports more fun.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m966sb2w7B1qhps8wo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 27, 2013, 10:29:01 AM
When was the last time that both Chicago teams finished in last place? It looks like it's happening this year :(

Probably whatever year the White Sox last finished in last place.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on September 27, 2013, 11:44:24 AM
When was the last time that both Chicago teams finished in last place? It looks like it's happening this year :(

This actually might be the first time. A quick search came up with nothing.

Both teams deserved it, especially the Sox. They gave up back in May and never looked to right the ship. Haven't watched a single game since the April Blue Jays series. I was extremely happy when the Hawks won the Cup and now the Bears (3-0) ND (3-1) and NIU (3-0) are having good starts to the season, because no one in this city have not cared about baseball since the last Crosstown series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 27, 2013, 12:48:06 PM
When was the last time that both Chicago teams finished in last place? It looks like it's happening this year :(

This actually might be the first time. A quick search came up with nothing.

Both teams deserved it, especially the Sox. They gave up back in May and never looked to right the ship. Haven't watched a single game since the April Blue Jays series. I was extremely happy when the Hawks won the Cup and now the Bears (3-0) ND (3-1) and NIU (3-0) are having good starts to the season, because no one in this city have not cared about baseball since the last Crosstown series.
The fact that it's an unprecedented event just makes it even worse! At least the Sox fans can share my pain (as well as that of my fellow Cubs fans).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1 on September 27, 2013, 02:49:44 PM
So the Red Sox are first and the White Sox are last?

That puts the Pink Sox directly in the middle.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 27, 2013, 03:06:46 PM
So the Red Sox are first and the White Sox are last?

That puts the Pink Sox directly in the middle.

I don't get it.  is this some weird reference to a threesome?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1 on September 27, 2013, 03:15:34 PM
Red + white = pink.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 27, 2013, 03:20:37 PM
Red + white = pink.

.. 1 * 1 = 1.  so?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kendancy66 on September 29, 2013, 02:17:13 PM
Red + white = pink.

.. 1 * 1 = 1.  so?
I guess you have never made clothes washing mistakes before.  If a red shirt gets mixed up with the socks and underwear. And then you wash that in hot water, then the red dye of the red shirt bleeds off onto the white clothes and turns them pink.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 29, 2013, 07:52:15 PM
That's how Homer Simpson got to meet "Michael Jackson". ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on September 29, 2013, 11:15:03 PM
One-game series for a one-game series, anyone? The Rangers and Rays are tied for the second Wild Card, so a tiebreaker game is to be played to determine who plays against the Indians in the one-game Wild Card.

Also, the Marlins' Henderson Alvarez threw a no-hitter against the Tigers on the last game of the regular season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 01, 2013, 01:58:36 PM
The Rangers lose Game 163 at home, so the Rays are moving on to Cleveland.

And back in Chicago, the Cubs have fired another manager after two terrible years at the helm, so here we go again. They'll hire a new manager, and when he fails to get them into the postseason (or even the World Series), they'll fire him and hire yet another new skipper. Circle of life on the North Side...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on October 01, 2013, 08:10:30 PM
I have put a temporary moratorium on my Blue Jays fandom.  From here until November, Let's go 'bucks!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kurumi on October 02, 2013, 12:16:18 AM
I'm calling it: A's defeat Pirates in World Series, 4 games to 2 :-)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 02, 2013, 09:31:32 AM
Congrats to the L.A. Dodgers going into the post-season (from a not-so-happy Angels fan), but I hope a world series appearance in Southern California, as the last time the Dodgers went to the fall classic was 25 years ago. The Dodgers had a rocky, yet fantastic season depended on Manny Ramirez who was injured and on the DL in the summer. And Athletics/ Cardinals great Mark McGwire is in the Dodgers' coaching team. Oddly, McGwire was part of the 1988 Oakland A's team defeated by the very team he's now in their staff.

Meanwhile, the Oakland A's won another AL west division title. Keep an eye out on the Cardinals (NL) and Red Sox (AL), because I sense the two teams would go farther than let's say the Tigers (last year's world series contenders) or Rays won by a fluke in the AL tiebreaker game. I watched the Pirates beat the Reds in the NL wild card game last night.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 02, 2013, 10:55:07 AM
Guess I'll be a Pirates fan now, as I absolutely despise the Cardinals! And I'm hoping the Dodgers do well in the playoffs as well. On the AL side, I'm having a hard time deciding who to root for...maybe Boston, for sentimental reasons.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on October 04, 2013, 11:42:55 AM
Are the Buccos even ready for the true postseason challenge? Well St. Louis told them, "Ahh we betta. 9-1. We already won Game 1."

Oh and A-Roid is suing Major League Baseball for creating a "witch hunt" on him...all I know is that no body really gives a damn about him at this point because his team didn't make the playoffs...and he isn't going to win this battle we all sort of knew was coming.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Mr_Northside on October 04, 2013, 04:21:02 PM
Are the Buccos even ready for the true postseason challenge? Well St. Louis told them, "Ahh we betta. 9-1. We already won Game 1."

Yeah.  The Pirates looked like crap yesterday... but they turned it around and convincingly won 7-1 this afternoon....
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Brandon on October 04, 2013, 05:47:29 PM
The Rangers lose Game 163 at home, so the Rays are moving on to Cleveland.

And back in Chicago, the Cubs have fired another manager after two terrible years at the helm, so here we go again. They'll hire a new manager, and when he fails to get them into the postseason (or even the World Series), they'll fire him and hire yet another new skipper. Circle of life on the North Side...

You guys seriously need to demand better instead of treating Wrigley Field like the world's largest outdoor bar.  Even Lions fans wear paper bags over their heads to show their disgust for the 0 and 16 season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 07, 2013, 02:32:31 PM
Well, Pittsburgh is one win away from a trip to the NLCS and a possible rematch with the Braves. I'm hoping they win tonight.

EDIT: I take that back. The Dodgers eliminated Atlanta last night, so the Pirates and Cardinals will play Game 5 for the right to face L.A. in the NLCS. I'm still rooting for Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 10, 2013, 10:11:08 PM
The final division series game is on right now and things are looking good for Detroit.  They are up 3-0 and Verlander has a no-no through 5.

I'm disappointed Pittsburgh lost yesterday.  Damn Cardinals.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on October 11, 2013, 09:25:59 AM
Sawx v. Tigers and Cards v. Dodgers...probably most dominant team in this mix is Boston. They have enough pitching and they can practically score 10 runs if they'd like every game with the bearded lineup they have. Besides, being a Yankee hater and ya know Boston Strong, I'd LOVE to see Boston win it all this year after not taking the Stanley Cup home.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 11, 2013, 11:39:09 AM
Boston vs. L.A. is my World Series pick. For once, it would be nice to see these two cities vie for a championship in something other than basketball.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 12, 2013, 02:27:28 PM
The Cards-Dodgers NLCS game 1 was LONG...13 innings, until the Cards made a run to win game 1 by a score of 3-2. I wanna see the Dodgers in the world series this time, however the Cardinal matchup is too powerful to defeat. The Dodgers blew it and not to fret, they have another chance tonight.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on October 13, 2013, 04:26:04 PM
Dodgers-Red Sox for WS please
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 13, 2013, 04:46:06 PM
In my opinion, a Cardinals/Tigers World Series would have epic pitching. But I'd like a Cardinals/Red Sox World Series because the Red Sox were my original predictions and, as a Giants fan, I want the Dodgers out as soon as possible.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 13, 2013, 10:10:48 PM
Detroit is pitching the shit out of Boston so far.  I'm watching game 2 and Bah-stin has only one hit through a game and a half.  Which is fine with me as the Tigers are the last team still playing that I don't hate.  (And while I was typing, the big bats for Detroit did some damage!)

For the record, I hate the Cardinals most.  The reason is 2011.  The Cards have been to the World Series so much everyone's lost track, but the first time in my life that my team has a really good shot at going all the way, here comes St. Louis shitting all over my dreams on their way to yet another world championship.  Just throw it on the pile; maybe it'll land next to the one you got by beating Milwaukee in '82.
The Boozers were great all season and played the best baseball the city had seen in decades but St. Louis comes out of nowhere and goes on a hot streak just in time to win it all.  Bastards.  My hate will not be appeased until the Milwaukee Brewers defeat the St. Louis Cardinals in a post-season series.  I don't care is you're a 'great baseball city', I will take that shit to the grave if I have to.
At least I can take solace in that my team's stadium is named after a better beer than their team's stadium.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1 on October 13, 2013, 10:13:08 PM
I've noticed.

Currently the game is 5-0, Detroit. 4 of those 5 were in the last 10 minutes.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1 on October 13, 2013, 11:29:38 PM
Score Update:

Big Papi hit a grand slam, tying the game.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Brandon on October 14, 2013, 09:31:54 AM
Dodgers-Red Sox for WS please

How about no.

Either: Tigers - Dodgers or Tigers - Cardinals (revenge for 2006 would be soooo sweet).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on October 15, 2013, 12:51:08 PM
Game 3 in the NLCS made the Dodgers look good, but I feel that Hanley Ramirez won't survive to game 4 and Puig's energy and complete obnoxiousness came too late for the Dodger faithful. Watch the Cards pummel them tonight, along with the Sox being clueless against Verlander but making a comeback against the Tigers bullpen again. Loved that game from the other night though with that comeback.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1 on October 18, 2013, 10:35:25 PM
Dodgers vs Cardinals:

Currently 9 to 0, Cardinals winning.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 18, 2013, 11:52:16 PM
The St. Louis Cardinals are now your 2013 National League Champions after a 9-0 victory over the Dodgers...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 19, 2013, 10:19:44 PM
The Dodgers sucked...inable to score run in the NLCS game 6 last night. I'm disappointed and so were many baseball fans in SoCal. You know what they say "maybe next year". Michael Wacha of the Cards' pitching staff is poised to have the MVP designation for beating the Dodgers' Clayton Kershaw twice.

Right now, the Red Sox gained a run to lead game 6 vs. the Tigers. The time is running out for the Tigers, score a run or two to break the Red Sox's lead. If the Red Sox won (responding to Brandon), the rematch of the 2004 world series when the Red Sox won their first championship title since 1918.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1 on October 19, 2013, 10:39:54 PM

Right now, the Red Sox gained a run to lead game 6 vs. the Tigers.


Tigers have 2 now.

EDIT: And now Red Sox have 5.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1 on October 20, 2013, 12:03:21 AM
RED SOX WIN!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 20, 2013, 12:36:43 AM
It's gonna be a Cardinals/Red Sox World Series this year. With what looks to be some really good baseball coming up...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 20, 2013, 09:43:23 AM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say the team that wears white and red is going to win the World Series.











But seriously, I'm picking the Cardinals.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on October 21, 2013, 12:01:57 PM
Gotta go with Boston Strong. They got home field and motivation since April to get this far and after the Bruins lost the cup, the Red Sox would love to bring another World Series trophy home to the Fenway Faithful.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 21, 2013, 03:00:01 PM
Looks like everyone in Chicago will be changing their Sox for this Series only...  :-D
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 24, 2013, 02:45:02 PM
And Boston takes Game 1, 8-1, taking advantage of the Cardinals' sloppy play. This is the Red Sox's ninth Series game win in a row, dating back to 2004.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on October 25, 2013, 03:03:15 PM
And Boston takes Game 1, 8-1, taking advantage of the Cardinals' sloppy play. This is the Red Sox's ninth Series game win in a row, dating back to 2004.
And that momentum switched back to Saint Louis with a Game 2 win filled with Boston sloppiness late in the game. Would ponder the fact that Breslow should have held that ball...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 25, 2013, 03:31:23 PM
after what happened to Pesky, no Red Sox player is ever going to hold the ball against the Cardinals.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CanesFan27 on October 25, 2013, 04:53:05 PM
And Boston takes Game 1, 8-1, taking advantage of the Cardinals' sloppy play. This is the Red Sox's ninth Series game win in a row, dating back to 2004.
And that momentum switched back to Saint Louis with a Game 2 win filled with Boston sloppiness late in the game. Would ponder the fact that Breslow should have held that ball...

Momentum is only as good as the next day's starting pitcher.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1 on October 25, 2013, 08:53:46 PM
I have a wild guess:

The last out of the game will be caught in the air by the 3rd baseman.

Let's see if I'm right.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on October 26, 2013, 04:17:37 PM
I have a wild guess:

The last out of the game will be caught in the air by the 3rd baseman.

Let's see if I'm right.
Which game? Game 3? Or when the Sox win the Series?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1 on October 26, 2013, 04:20:39 PM
I have a wild guess:

The last out of the game will be caught in the air by the 3rd baseman.

Let's see if I'm right.
Which game? Game 3? Or when the Sox win the Series?

Game 3.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on October 27, 2013, 02:33:46 PM
I have a wild guess:

The last out of the game will be caught in the air by the 3rd baseman.

Let's see if I'm right.
Which game? Game 3? Or when the Sox win the Series?

Game 3.
Well I don't think anyone would have guessed that obstruction would end any World Series game...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 30, 2013, 11:27:42 PM
The Boston Red Sox are now your 2013 World Series Champions!!!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on October 30, 2013, 11:32:54 PM
booooooooooooooooooo
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on October 31, 2013, 12:04:04 AM
For the first time in 95 years, the SAWX have won the World Series at Fenway!

And a final goodbye to Hall of Famer Tim McCarver! (Do we care...well I do!)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 31, 2013, 02:46:46 PM
The Boston Red Sox are now your 2013 World Series Champions!!!
And everybody in Chicago is now happy that the Cardinals lost.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1 on October 31, 2013, 02:55:22 PM
Why did the OP put a hyphen in the title?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 31, 2013, 03:47:20 PM
Because game 6 of the 2011 World Series was so awesome that you just wanted to yell "BASE-BALL!!!!" at the top of your lungs. The hyphen was accidentally removed sometime in 2012 (April Fools, I think) when all sport names were filtered to food names. Now it's back to how it normally was.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on December 06, 2013, 11:27:57 AM
ROBINSON CANO
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on December 06, 2013, 12:16:57 PM
The page break made that post that much greater.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 06, 2013, 12:20:24 PM
ROBINSON CANO

STORE-BOUGHT PLAYERS and TEAMS.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on December 06, 2013, 04:29:21 PM
ROBINSON CANO
IS OVERPAID FOR HIS PRODUCTION IN 9 YEARS
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Thing 342 on December 06, 2013, 04:49:15 PM
ROBINSON CANO

WILL HIT .215 NEXT SEASON
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 06, 2013, 05:17:48 PM
OK, AROD predictions for 2014?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on December 06, 2013, 05:33:59 PM
Eh, pretty much all players signed to huge deals are not worth it over the full contract term but what is a major league payroll without several million in dead weight? As far as hitting .215 knowing the mariners luck yeah probably.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on December 06, 2013, 09:36:50 PM
I think it's funny that Cashman couldn't cash him in but I think Seattle has had enough of not being in the playoffs, they had to make a splash somehow. Something tells me Papelbon will be heading to the Puget Sound too...
And also I am happy about the Grandy Man staying in NYC, but I can't believe that people are comparing him to Jason Bay already...
Could this be the Mets town soon? My die-hard fandom says yes, but my gut still doesn't agree.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on December 06, 2013, 10:53:34 PM
As a Mariners fan I'm more in shock than anything. It's a big gamble- we were slowly tending a farm of good young players but were probably still 2-3 years from being contenders.

Now that we have Cano, we have to be contenders within a year and then we've got about a three year window before that contract starts to go sour, so we probably are going to need to cash out some of those youngsters this offseason to get some more supporting pieces because the Mariners now even with Cano just aren't playoff caliber- they're a lot closer than they were this morning, but they still have a good distance to go.

Which...is either going to be amazing and we'll finally be back in the playoffs again or we're doomed to irrelevance for another decade.

That said holy fuck we have Robinson Cano
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1 on December 06, 2013, 11:10:47 PM
Don't forget about Jacoby Ellsbury. He switched.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on December 06, 2013, 11:41:48 PM
Don't forget about Jacoby Ellsbury. He switched.
Also overpriced, but not nearly as badly.

... Wait, the Yankees just got Beltran, despite already having five outfielders. What the fuck is going on over there? This is even dumber than Cano's contract. I forfeit 2014.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on December 06, 2013, 11:58:11 PM
Wait who are the five? Gardner/Soriano/Beltran and then Ichiro/Wells? That gives you four old guys who need days off and one of them to DH. I think you're perfect with that situation.

Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 07, 2013, 12:01:37 AM
Wait who are the five? Gardner/Soriano/Beltran and then Ichiro/Wells? That gives you four old guys who need days off and one of them to DH. I think you're perfect with that situation.



Of course, if A-Rod somehow gets off, that just makes the DH situation even more complicated as he would probably have to DH sometimes.  Jeter will probably end up DHing sometimes too.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on December 07, 2013, 12:11:32 AM
So then you have 7 players for 6 slots, but all of them are old and will need frequent days off- you can't expect any of them but Gardner to play more than 120 games or so. Most likely, one of them gets hurt and that solves that.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on December 07, 2013, 10:34:17 PM
So happy to see the Yankees are becoming the official team of AARP, and that every day will be Old Timers' Day.  Judas Ellsbury is injury prone, and Beltran for 3 years when he's 37 is a mistake for them too.  Getting Napoli back was a great move, and AJ is a nice bridge to the prospect catchers in our system.  Not sure if Jackie Bradley Jr. is ready to handle CF every day, so Choo might be an option.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on December 12, 2013, 12:49:06 PM
So happy to see the Yankees are becoming the official team of AARP, and that every day will be Old Timers' Day.  Judas Ellsbury is injury prone, and Beltran for 3 years when he's 37 is a mistake for them too.  Getting Napoli back was a great move, and AJ is a nice bridge to the prospect catchers in our system.  Not sure if Jackie Bradley Jr. is ready to handle CF every day, so Choo might be an option.
That's a BIG might though...but Boston is probably going to develop the young outfielder in right field, while Victorino will take over center. Besides, the M's & the Rangers are described as the "lead dogs" for Choo...according to the NY Post.
On another note...we all thought the Mets would be done spending after the Grandy Man took his bags across the East River into Flushing...now Bartolo Colon is a Met for 2 years...$20 mil. I get he is a placeholder in the rotation for Harvey next year...but I don't understand the point of spending as much as they did for how long for a 40 YEAR OLD. And he was implicated for steroid use...thus his production will probably not be as good as when he was on the Athletics.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on March 31, 2014, 02:06:38 PM
HAPPY BASE-BALL DAY.


WOO.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on March 31, 2014, 05:35:12 PM
HAPPY BASE-BALL DAY.


WOO.
Should seriously be considered a national holiday...I gave up everything today just to watch it on tv
What great priorities I have!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on April 24, 2014, 03:58:43 PM
I know I'm one day late, but Wrigley Field celebrated its 100th anniversary with a game against the Diamondbacks, which the Cubs lost 7-5.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 26, 2014, 04:34:20 PM
I know I'm one day late, but Wrigley Field celebrated its 100th anniversary with a game against the Diamondbacks, which the Cubs lost 7-5.

It would not have been right if the Cubs had won, would it?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tchafe1978 on April 26, 2014, 10:46:17 PM
Isn't it sad that their last World Series trophy is older than their stadium? Ok, not really...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Thing 342 on April 27, 2014, 11:05:56 PM
Isn't it sad that their last World Series trophy is older than their stadium? Ok, not really...

The last time the Cubs won the series, the Ottoman Empire still existed.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Pete from Boston on April 28, 2014, 09:20:50 AM
Isn't it sad that their last World Series trophy is older than their stadium? Ok, not really...

The last time the Cubs won the series, the Ottoman Empire still existed.

And the Austro-Hungarian, British, French, and Russian Empires.  I'd include German, but it wasn't much of an empire.  In fact, there had been a state called "Germany" for a total of 37 years.

Poland was not a country, nor were most of the countries we know in Eastern Europe.  One independent country – one – existed in Africa (Ethiopia).

There were 46 states in the Union, and we occupied the Philippines and Cuba (though we were still a few years away from our 19-year occupation of Haiti). 

Something like 2% of the country was electrified.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on April 28, 2014, 10:36:59 AM
We'll see next year if the Cubs will win the World Series as "predicted" in Back to the Future II when the Cubs faced Miami in 2015. ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on April 28, 2014, 10:55:16 AM
^^ Doubt it, because we still don't have hover boards  :)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on April 28, 2014, 10:57:11 AM
^^ Both are National League teams so a World Series can't be between them.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on April 28, 2014, 11:28:40 PM
Hey, at least they accurately predicted there would be a team in Miami.  And they even changed their name from "Florida" to "Miami" just recently.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on May 04, 2014, 02:12:27 PM
I saw that article on the Atlantic Cities about Buffalo who built a stadium for the MLB but they never came.
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/jobs-and-economy/2012/07/they-built-it-mlb-never-came/2509/

And it's been 10 years then the Montreal Expos moved. :( http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=443487
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on May 16, 2014, 10:56:10 PM
On May 4th, I attended another Angels home game, this time the home team lost 14-3 to the Rangers. Root, root, root for the home team, if they don't win, it's a shame. The Angels are above .500 currently in second place in the AL west. I'm aware Josh Hamilton is on the DL.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1 on May 23, 2014, 09:39:51 PM
How long will Red Sox vs. Rays be scoreless? It's been 7 innings, and neither team has scored yet.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on June 16, 2014, 04:42:10 PM
Some sad news for fans of the San Diego Padres, and of baseball in general: Tony Gwynn, one of the best contact hitters of his generation, has passed away at the age of 54 (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11091626/hall-famer-tony-gwynn-san-diego-padres-died). Condolences go out to the Padres organization and his family. (Yes, my wife is a Padres fan, as she's originally from San Diego.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on June 23, 2014, 11:51:25 PM
I see they're only going to do 7 outs in this year's Home Run Derby.  Probably trying to move things along a little faster.  But now we will no longer be able to compare the records...

The Home Run Derby, along with every other all-star game and their related activities, are admittedly a sideshow.  And people who have strong opinions about Chris Bermen have that to deal with.  Still, any thoughts from our baseball fans about this change?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on June 24, 2014, 10:45:47 PM
I see they're only going to do 7 outs in this year's Home Run Derby.  Probably trying to move things along a little faster.  But now we will no longer be able to compare the records...

The Home Run Derby, along with every other all-star game and their related activities, are admittedly a sideshow.  And people who have strong opinions about Chris Bermen have that to deal with.  Still, any thoughts from our baseball fans about this change?
Yeah, it was tough watching it all the way through till 11:30. Here's a suggestion - start it at 7 instead of 8?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on June 25, 2014, 09:52:23 PM
Timmy 2Time with another no-hitter against the Padres. Back to back no hits for the man against the same team nearly a year apart
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on June 25, 2014, 11:54:29 PM
Bad night for UVA to have the bats fall silent. Heck of a season, though. Vanderbilt's pitchers just plain beat the guys tonight. Too many failures with runners in scoring position.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: spooky on June 26, 2014, 07:06:29 AM
Timmy 2Time with another no-hitter against the Padres. Back to back no hits for the man against the same team nearly a year apart

No-hitters against the Padres should have asterisks next to them in the record book.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 26, 2014, 08:20:31 AM
I see they're only going to do 7 outs in this year's Home Run Derby.  Probably trying to move things along a little faster.  But now we will no longer be able to compare the records...

The Home Run Derby, along with every other all-star game and their related activities, are admittedly a sideshow.  And people who have strong opinions about Chris Bermen have that to deal with.  Still, any thoughts from our baseball fans about this change?
Yeah, it was tough watching it all the way through till 11:30. Here's a suggestion - start it at 7 instead of 8?

I like Chris Berman's voice.  Opinionated Baseball Fans for some reason don't like announcers with a good knowledge of baseball for some reason.

As far as records go, there's always variables.  Is it fair to compare records of a home run hitting contest in a baseball park that favors hitters, compared to those that competed in a park that favors pitchers? 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on June 26, 2014, 11:09:26 AM
I don't mind Chris Berman's voice, and for certain bits he's a perfect announcer (moderating "C'Mon Man!," for example). I found his schtick annoying during last year's Home Run Derby, though. He insists on doing that "back-back-back" thing despite clearly not understanding what it means. It originated with Red Barber. When Barber made his famous call of Al Gionfriddo's catch in which he used "back" something like eight or nine times, he was following the fielder, not the ball:


The point of "back-back-back" is for a radio announcer to relate the outfielder racing across a large swath of grass trying to get in position to make the catch. It has nothing to do with the flight of the ball; arguably, for the ball to go "back" it would be fouled back over the screen behind the plate. On the radio, following the fielder is more important in many ways than following the ball. If Mel Allen had been calling that play, he would have said something like, "It's going, going....caught up against the wall by Gionfriddo." You wouldn't have any sense for his frenzied run to make the catch.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: The Nature Boy on July 23, 2014, 04:13:56 PM
^^ Both are National League teams so a World Series can't be between them.

My prediction: Cubs beat Marlins in NLCS and lose in the World Series.

The reporter just confused the NLCS with the World Series. Back to the Future even correctly predicted the fall of journalism.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on March 31, 2019, 01:45:14 PM
Since I haven't seen a basic catch-all thread on baseball in here, I'll start one.

Did anyone else catch Josh Hader's totally amazing relief pitching performance against the Cardinals at Miller Park last night (Saturday, 2019-03-30) as the Brewers' fireball closer?  He struck out all three of the Cardinals that he faced in nine pitches to save the Brewers' 4-2 win.

 :wow:

Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on March 31, 2019, 03:00:38 PM
Now Yelich homered in each of the first 4 games.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on March 31, 2019, 06:23:32 PM
There's this forgotten thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=5534.0). Back when the last post to date was made there the Cubs had not won a World Series for over a century...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on March 31, 2019, 06:26:54 PM
Bumping this thread into a strange time where the Cubs have recently (2016) won the World Series. Not the incumbent champions, though.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on April 01, 2019, 10:04:54 AM
Bumping this thread into a strange time where the Cubs have recently (2016) won the World Series. Not the incumbent champions, though.
And all their fans are happy that they got their chance to celebrate; I know I am one of them!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on April 01, 2019, 10:47:04 AM
Bumping this thread into a strange time where the Cubs have recently (2016) won the World Series. Not the incumbent champions, though.

That would be my Red Sox.  Although their starting pitching has been anything but championship caliber in the first 4 games.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on April 01, 2019, 02:54:04 PM
I'm trying to figure out who Timmy 2Time is that I referenced  :-D I'm assuming Tim Lincecum
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on April 08, 2019, 11:02:28 AM
Today's the home opener for my Cubs; I hope they do a lot better than they have so far this season :)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on April 08, 2019, 03:10:14 PM
Today's the home opener for my Cubs; I hope they do a lot better than they have so far this season :)

Best team record wise is located at 35th and Shields  ;-)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Bruce on April 08, 2019, 09:50:20 PM
How long until the Mariners stumble and fall into the annual pit of despair?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on April 08, 2019, 11:05:01 PM
I'm trying to figure out who Timmy 2Time is that I referenced  :-D I'm assuming Tim Lincecum
Yep. Man did his career go off the rails after the second one.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on April 09, 2019, 01:05:22 PM
How long until the Mariners stumble and fall into the annual pit of despair?
I get this a lot, and honestly, I could care less.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on April 14, 2019, 08:46:26 PM
I was following the Mets-Braves game on ESPN and they were interviewing Hank Aaron (RIP) during the first three innings. He played here (at Barrs Field in 1953) during his time in the minor leagues (and also at now-demolished Wolfson Park for a 1955 exhibition game between the then-Milwaukee Braves and the then-Brooklyn Dodgers; he was already in the major leagues as a Milwaukee (later, Atlanta) Brave by this time), when the local team was affiliated with the Braves and was thus named after them. He was born and raised in Mobile, which is several-plus hours to the west via I-10 and US 90.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on June 20, 2019, 04:43:39 PM
Bumping this thread.  Apparently, the Rays are exploring taking off to the Great White North, with the franchise playing a few early season series in Tampa/St Pete before playing the rest of the season in Montreal.  Sure it'll be a great draw for Jays fans, and for Red Sox and Yankees fans coming from the Burlington, VT area and the north country of upstate NY.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27016429/rays-explore-splitting-games-montreal
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: TheHighwayMan394 on June 20, 2019, 04:47:26 PM
Bumping this thread.  Apparently, the Rays are exploring taking off to the Great White North, with the franchise playing a few early season series in Tampa/St Pete before playing the rest of the season in Montreal.  Sure it'll be a great draw for Jays fans, and for Red Sox and Yankees fans coming from the Burlington, VT area and the north country of upstate NY.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27016429/rays-explore-splitting-games-montreal


The St. Petersburg city government has quickly put the kibosh on this idea.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on June 20, 2019, 07:27:47 PM
Bumping this thread.  Apparently, the Rays are exploring taking off to the Great White North, with the franchise playing a few early season series in Tampa/St Pete before playing the rest of the season in Montreal.  Sure it'll be a great draw for Jays fans, and for Red Sox and Yankees fans coming from the Burlington, VT area and the north country of upstate NY.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27016429/rays-explore-splitting-games-montreal (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27016429/rays-explore-splitting-games-montreal)


The St. Petersburg city government has quickly put the kibosh on this idea.
For now, at least. But maybe they’ll end up moving anyway, just not to Montreal. Perhaps Charlotte could work.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on June 21, 2019, 08:56:14 AM
Bumping this thread.  Apparently, the Rays are exploring taking off to the Great White North, with the franchise playing a few early season series in Tampa/St Pete before playing the rest of the season in Montreal.  Sure it'll be a great draw for Jays fans, and for Red Sox and Yankees fans coming from the Burlington, VT area and the north country of upstate NY.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27016429/rays-explore-splitting-games-montreal (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27016429/rays-explore-splitting-games-montreal)


The St. Petersburg city government has quickly put the kibosh on this idea.
For now, at least. But maybe they’ll end up moving anyway.

They attract 5K on average to games.... Just move them already. Rather have the Expos return
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 21, 2019, 09:15:57 AM
Bumping this thread.  Apparently, the Rays are exploring taking off to the Great White North, with the franchise playing a few early season series in Tampa/St Pete before playing the rest of the season in Montreal.  Sure it'll be a great draw for Jays fans, and for Red Sox and Yankees fans coming from the Burlington, VT area and the north country of upstate NY.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27016429/rays-explore-splitting-games-montreal


The Expos didn't do so well in the win column, and losing teams don't bring in fans.  Until the Rays are moved out of the AL East, or the Red Sox and Yankees do continually bad, it's tough for the Rays, the O's and the Blue Jays to have any long-term success in that Division.

Baseball fans don't typically travel all that much either, so while some may travel for the novelty, away team fans usually don't fill stadiums.  Also, Season Ticket holders are a teams' bread-and-butter.  Away fans add some bonus dollars, but not in great amounts from an overall perspective.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: dvferyance on June 21, 2019, 06:18:22 PM
Bumping this thread.  Apparently, the Rays are exploring taking off to the Great White North, with the franchise playing a few early season series in Tampa/St Pete before playing the rest of the season in Montreal.  Sure it'll be a great draw for Jays fans, and for Red Sox and Yankees fans coming from the Burlington, VT area and the north country of upstate NY.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27016429/rays-explore-splitting-games-montreal
Again no Canadian teams in American sports. They want a team get your own league. Besides there is a reason baseball failed in Montreal there was no support.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on June 21, 2019, 06:26:18 PM
What. First off that's dumb - there is no history or real precedent for major leagues not being intended to be in Canada, second off that's an entirely incorrect reading of why baseball in Montreal ended in the first place. The problem was terrible ownership (the same Jeff Loria that owned the Marlins from 2002-2017) and a determination to relocate the team for years before it left. Montreal was actually quite a good baseball city when they had ownership that cared. The 1994 strike really hurt them. MLB tried in bad faith to contract the Expos and Twins and failed, but Twins baseball is doing quite well now. Baseball in Montreal would be too if the owners weren't determined to move them
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on June 21, 2019, 06:31:02 PM
Speaking of baseball, Michigan has just advanced to the CWS finals from an unseeded wild card position, throttling Texas Tech twice in the playoffs after a 3-game season sweep by TT. Talk about a hot streak.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on June 21, 2019, 06:44:35 PM
Bumping this thread.  Apparently, the Rays are exploring taking off to the Great White North, with the franchise playing a few early season series in Tampa/St Pete before playing the rest of the season in Montreal.  Sure it'll be a great draw for Jays fans, and for Red Sox and Yankees fans coming from the Burlington, VT area and the north country of upstate NY.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27016429/rays-explore-splitting-games-montreal (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27016429/rays-explore-splitting-games-montreal)


The Expos didn't do so well in the win column, and losing teams don't bring in fans.  Until the Rays are moved out of the AL East, or the Red Sox and Yankees do continually bad, it's tough for the Rays, the O's and the Blue Jays to have any long-term success in that Division.

Baseball fans don't typically travel all that much either, so while some may travel for the novelty, away team fans usually don't fill stadiums.  Also, Season Ticket holders are a teams' bread-and-butter.  Away fans add some bonus dollars, but not in great amounts from an overall perspective.
Mostly true, but the situation was due to poor management/ownership. Anyway, I’m not sure if Montreal wants another team. My money’s on Charlotte.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: TheHighwayMan394 on June 21, 2019, 09:29:49 PM
Bumping this thread.  Apparently, the Rays are exploring taking off to the Great White North, with the franchise playing a few early season series in Tampa/St Pete before playing the rest of the season in Montreal.  Sure it'll be a great draw for Jays fans, and for Red Sox and Yankees fans coming from the Burlington, VT area and the north country of upstate NY.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27016429/rays-explore-splitting-games-montreal
Again no Canadian teams in American sports. They want a team get your own league. Besides there is a reason baseball failed in Montreal there was no support.

Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on June 21, 2019, 10:27:00 PM
The stadium the Expos played in had a bit to do with the team moving also.  It was fairly dark in there--made even more gloomier when the Expos weren't winning.
They did have some snazzy uniforms in the 1970's and 1980's, though.  And some really good players (Carter, Dawson, Raines, Valentine, Cromartie, Rogers).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on June 21, 2019, 10:42:31 PM

They did have some snazzy uniforms in the 1970's and 1980's, though. 
(http://content.sportslogos.net/logos/54/66/thumbs/w5aqbkrk24pv86dfgh5a1bh06.gif) with the red "e" for "Expos" and blue "b" for "baseball inside the "M"
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on June 21, 2019, 11:21:03 PM
The stadium the Expos played in had a bit to do with the team moving also.  It was fairly dark in there--made even more gloomier when the Expos weren't winning.
They did have some snazzy uniforms in the 1970's and 1980's, though.  And some really good players (Carter, Dawson, Raines, Valentine, Cromartie, Rogers).
Maybe a new stadium will do the trick.
Couldn't do anything but help.  Besides, with the way stadiums/parks are lit up now, the fans wouldn't have to worry about the drabness of Olympic Stadium anymore.  Plus, the stadium/park would need only 40,000-50,000 seats instead of the 73,000 seat building they were in from 1977-1991 (reduced to 45,757 in 1992).

I am not going on and on about the drabness/darkness of Olympic Stadium to ridicule the stadium or the Expos.  I have Street and Smith's Baseball Guides from the late 1970's (1978-80 to be exact) with photos of Expo players in their home uniforms.  Even though they are in black and white, the photos show how dark it was during games.  Even the 1987 Sporting News Baseball Guide has the same types of photos.  I also believe the ownership at the time (1990's) was not going to spend a bunch of money on improvements to the stadium.

I also believe the 1994 Expos would have gone to the World Series, with the roster they had that year.  Whether they would have won it is up for debate, but they were clearly the best National League team that year.  Then the strike occurred and popped the bubble that was the Montreal Expos.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tolbs17 on July 27, 2019, 03:37:14 PM
I suck at baseball. I almost got hit in the head when I was hitting a ball and i tripped i got a splinter. So I never play baseball again. Although it's fun watching them play though!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on July 28, 2019, 11:23:41 AM
I also believe the 1994 Expos would have gone to the World Series, with the roster they had that year.  Whether they would have won it is up for debate, but they were clearly the best National League team that year.  Then the strike occurred and popped the bubble that was the Montreal Expos.

Yeah, there's some times I pondered if that strike was done in purpose to kill the Expos? I still have a grudge against Donald Fehr for doing this strike and he's involved in hockey with the NHLPA.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on August 08, 2019, 09:56:07 AM
I also believe the 1994 Expos would have gone to the World Series, with the roster they had that year.  Whether they would have won it is up for debate, but they were clearly the best National League team that year.  Then the strike occurred and popped the bubble that was the Montreal Expos.

Yeah, there's some times I pondered if that strike was done in purpose to kill the Expos? I still have a grudge against Donald Fehr for doing this strike and he's involved in hockey with the NHLPA.
That's a very good question, but it's great to hear that they're doing quite well in Washington, which is a welcome change from all those losing seasons that the Senators had to go through. Speaking as a Cubs fan (who had to watch them spend yet another year in the cellar), I wish they (the Expos) had faced the Yankees in the World Series and gotten a chance to win a third straight championship for Canada; too bad it didn't end that way because of the devastating strike.

And Donald Fehr was behind the NHL lockout that cancelled its 2004-05 season, IIRC.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tchafe1978 on August 08, 2019, 04:23:28 PM
http://www.telegraphherald.com/news/breaking/article_aafc09f5-f1fb-57bf-95de-41210a5ef656.html?fbclid=IwAR2XTwXtXEDMjmGTIXe_4b0QQrbEYeWgSl_PVjqO38Lkb9DEnW8-YswVGQU#utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

The Yankees and White Sox are going to play a game at the Field of Dreams movie site in August of next year. They will build a temporary 8,000 seat stadium next to the field used in the movie. The field used in the movie has small dimensions, and every fly ball would be a home run!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on August 08, 2019, 05:24:58 PM
Shouldn't it be the White Sox vs. the Reds (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sox_Scandal)? ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on August 09, 2019, 03:31:40 PM
^ MLB needs a team that will draw fans.  The Reds of today will not draw as many fans as the Yankees will.  Now if this was the "Big Red Machine", we would be having a different conversation.

MLB should have scheduled the Cubs against the Yankees for this, however, this will be part of a scheduled series with the White Sox.  I don't believe the Yankees have any scheduled games vs. the Cubs next year.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: TheHighwayMan394 on August 09, 2019, 03:37:43 PM
MLB has done a horrific job marketing its stars. The problem is the bed they’ve made would mean short term pain for cutting off the Sox/Yankees machine, so they feel compelled to stick with it because it’s the only thing making them money through their own shortsightedness.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on August 09, 2019, 03:44:41 PM
^ MLB needs a team that will draw fans.  The Reds of today will not draw as many fans as the Yankees will.  Now if this was the "Big Red Machine", we would be having a different conversation.

MLB should have scheduled the Cubs against the Yankees for this, however, this will be part of a scheduled series with the White Sox.  I don't believe the Yankees have any scheduled games vs. the Cubs next year.

Pretty sure it was to re-enact the teams seen in the movie, mostly Yankees and a few White Sox. Cubs get enough primetime yearly
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on August 09, 2019, 03:58:10 PM
I don't believe the Yankees have any scheduled games vs. the Cubs next year.
They actually do: http://printableteamschedules.com/MLB/2020-chicago-cubs-schedule.php
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on August 09, 2019, 04:00:21 PM
Thanks, I did not check for this.  That should be an exciting series!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 10, 2019, 12:18:03 PM
^ MLB needs a team that will draw fans.  The Reds of today will not draw as many fans as the Yankees will.  Now if this was the "Big Red Machine", we would be having a different conversation.

MLB should have scheduled the Cubs against the Yankees for this, however, this will be part of a scheduled series with the White Sox.  I don't believe the Yankees have any scheduled games vs. the Cubs next year.

The Cubs weren't a central team in the movie.  The White Sox were.  If people will only tune in because it's the Cubs then they aren't really baseball fans and don't deserve to see a game like this.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on August 12, 2019, 09:01:07 AM
^ MLB needs a team that will draw fans.  The Reds of today will not draw as many fans as the Yankees will.  Now if this was the "Big Red Machine", we would be having a different conversation.

MLB should have scheduled the Cubs against the Yankees for this, however, this will be part of a scheduled series with the White Sox.  I don't believe the Yankees have any scheduled games vs. the Cubs next year.

The Cubs weren't a central team in the movie.  The White Sox were.  If people will only tune in because it's the Cubs then they aren't really baseball fans and don't deserve to see a game like this.

^this
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: cjk374 on August 20, 2019, 07:52:14 AM
The New Orleans minor league team....the Baby Cakes...apparently will be moving to Wichita. The story below is an editorial about how local fans hated the name "Baby Cakes" vs the original name "Zephyrs". There is a link in the story about the move to Wichita.

https://www.nola.com/entertainment_life/article_3a716c62-c296-11e9-832a-1ff0fe5730c8.html
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on September 10, 2019, 11:28:06 PM
Christian Yelich to miss the rest of the season with a shattered kneecap/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on September 10, 2019, 11:55:27 PM
Christian Yelich to miss the rest of the season with a shattered kneecap/
well he shouldn't have shattered his kneecap then
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tchafe1978 on September 11, 2019, 03:23:31 PM
Christian Yelich to miss the rest of the season with a shattered kneecap/
well he shouldn't have shattered his kneecap then

I don't think he intentionally fouled a ball off his knee.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Rothman on September 11, 2019, 05:09:17 PM
Christian Yelich to miss the rest of the season with a shattered kneecap/
well he shouldn't have shattered his kneecap then

I don't think he intentionally fouled a ball off his knee.
Debatable.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on September 19, 2019, 09:41:40 PM
And the Yanks are the AL East winners for the first time since 2012!

https://nypost.com/2019/09/19/yankees-clinch-first-al-east-title-since-2012-behind-brilliant-masahiro-tanaka/ (https://nypost.com/2019/09/19/yankees-clinch-first-al-east-title-since-2012-behind-brilliant-masahiro-tanaka/)

Seems like getting a AL East clinch two seasons ago has come back to haunt the Yanks, with the recent COVID (not the pandemic we have come to live with at the time I originally posted the above) outbreaks.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on September 26, 2019, 08:59:21 PM
Marty Brennaman is retiring after 46 years of broadcasting the Reds.

I feel old, grew up listening to Marty and Joe...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 27, 2019, 09:38:10 AM
For the first time since 2014, the Cubs won't be in the postseason. It's been a great run, and I'm so glad that I was able to see them win the whole thing three years ago and put that stupid Billy Goat Curse to rest, once and for all.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on September 27, 2019, 04:03:29 PM
Marty Brennaman is retiring after 46 years of broadcasting the Reds.

I feel old, grew up listening to Marty and Joe...

Marty was the last broadcaster, I grew up with, to be on the air still.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 30, 2019, 09:27:49 AM
Marty Brennaman is retiring after 46 years of broadcasting the Reds.

I feel old, grew up listening to Marty and Joe...

Marty was the last broadcaster, I grew up with, to be on the air still.
At least you were lucky to have had him on the air from childhood to now. It was a sad time for me when Cubs broadcasters Jack Brickhouse and Harry Caray died. I often imagine the latter saying his catchphrase HOLY COW!!! THE CUBS WIN THE WORLD SERIES!!! when I think back to how it all ended in 2016.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 01, 2019, 01:21:59 PM
2019 Major League Baseball postseason. Sadly, the Cubs and Indians (71 years without a world series title) not in the postseason. The Cubs remember their year 2016, comparable to the White Sox crosstown in 2005 and a year earlier the Red Sox, waiting for a whole lifetime to win the world series.
Last world series plays from 1980-2016. The Dodgers lost twice in 2017-18 (not good to look at). The Phillies 1980 (91 years)  and Cubs 2016 (108) were the longest waits in baseball history for their teams to win the world series.   
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: MNHighwayMan on October 01, 2019, 05:19:33 PM
2019 Major League Baseball postseason. Sadly, the Cubs and Indians (71 years without a world series title) not in the postseason.

I'm hard up for feeling sad about the latter not making the post-season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on October 02, 2019, 04:38:15 AM
Last world series plays from 1980-2016. The Dodgers lost twice in 2017-18 (not good to look at). The Phillies 1980 (91 years)  and Cubs 2016 (108) were the longest waits in baseball history for their teams to win the world series.

The first World Series was in 1903, so the Phillies "only" had to wait 77 years, not 91. That is shorter than both White Sox (87 years) and Red Sox (85 years) droughts.

Of all teams that have reached postseason, I'm picking the one who has been the longest since they last won the World Series (or its creation, if they have never won one) to win it, i.e. the Washington Nationals, which has even never been to a World Series at all. I'm pretty sure they (as the Montreal Expos) would have won in 1994 had the season not ended abruptly halfway due to that strike that ultimately caused them to move to Washington.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Verlanka on October 02, 2019, 05:22:03 AM
I'm pretty sure they (as the Montreal Expos) would have won in 1994 had the season not ended abruptly halfway due to that strike that ultimately caused them to move to Washington.
Wait, so the Expos moved because of the strike?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: thspfc on October 02, 2019, 08:24:09 AM
Well, the Brewers played 162 games to attempt to make the playoffs. Once they did, it was over in a few hours.
That's baseball.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 02, 2019, 09:10:25 AM
I'm pretty sure they (as the Montreal Expos) would have won in 1994 had the season not ended abruptly halfway due to that strike that ultimately caused them to move to Washington.
Wait, so the Expos moved because of the strike?

I wouldn't say it was the only reason but it definitely accelerated the decline in interest and attendance.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 03, 2019, 12:41:17 AM
I'm pretty sure they (as the Montreal Expos) would have won in 1994 had the season not ended abruptly halfway due to that strike that ultimately caused them to move to Washington.
Wait, so the Expos moved because of the strike?

I wouldn't say it was the only reason but it definitely accelerated the decline in interest and attendance.
-accelerated +caused. That was a passionate city until their best season was taken away and the players were sold off.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 03, 2019, 07:35:48 AM
16 years since Moneyball was published and Billy Beane still hasn't won a pennant.  Most overrated GM in the history of baseball.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 03, 2019, 09:25:18 AM
Since I can't have the Cubs nor the Mariners in the postseason, I'll be rooting for the Dodgers to win their first World Series championship in 31 years. That Kirk Gibson homer from Game 1 of the '88 Fall Classic was my first Dodgers memory since moving to L.A. that year.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 03, 2019, 01:05:54 PM
Unlike last year where my horse won the race, I really don't care who wins this year, so long as it is not the Yankees.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Mark68 on October 03, 2019, 02:31:08 PM
I'm in the no Dodgers/no Yankees camp.

I'm actually thinking it'll be Braves/Astros.

I'm proud of the fact that the Dodgers have not won the World Series since 14 years before my team did so. Suck it, Dodger fan!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 03, 2019, 11:36:57 PM
I really don't care who wins this year, so long as it's the Yankees.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 04, 2019, 07:59:55 AM
I wonder if the song "Gloria" might bring some luck for the Cardinals just like it did for the Blues last Spring? ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KEVIN_224 on October 04, 2019, 02:06:54 PM
FOX wants the Yankees and Dodgers (NY and LA), but they won't obviously sat that out loud.

I've been a Yankees fan since 1981, so one half of the World Series is a no-brainer. Many rematches are possible:

NY vs Atlanta - 1996 and 1999
NY vs Los Angeles - 1977, 1978 and 1981

Have the Dodgers in the World Series and see them lose for the third year in a row? ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on October 04, 2019, 02:09:50 PM
Last night someone at Turner Sports lost track of what round this is. They kept using this graphic until about the fifth inning.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191004/1f89e039179c264390225037cb6ca42d.jpg)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Beltway on October 06, 2019, 02:55:06 PM
I really don't care who wins this year, so long as it's the Yankees.
I was a big Yankee fan in the 1960s when growing up in Florida.  No MLB team within a thousand miles back then.  Exciting team loaded with future hall-of-famers (Mantle, Maris, Ford, Berra, etc.).

Now it is a whole different team and they have won more than enough pennants and WS, and I want to see other teams winning it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 06, 2019, 03:43:47 PM
Been following the Red Sox since 1984, so the Yankees have been, are, and will always be the enemy.  It was awful watching the 4 in 5 year run from 96-00, and I was sick for days after Aaron F Boone.  Coming back from 3-0 in 2004 felt like Bastille Day in that we finally overthrew our oppressors.  Like the US beating the Russians in 80, with the parallel being that we still had to play one more game/series to cement our legacy.

Am I surprised the Yankees are dominating the Twins?  No.  The Twins are their female dogs. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Rothman on October 06, 2019, 04:45:50 PM
As a Red Sox fan, when the Yankees start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were this century.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 06, 2019, 10:15:10 PM
All of you Sux fans are why I'm enjoying this postseason while you cry in your Sam Adamses.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 07, 2019, 07:37:52 AM
As a Red Sox fan, when the Yankees start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were this century.

As a fan of any other team, when Red Sox fans start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were without David Ortiz on steroids.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Rothman on October 07, 2019, 07:54:43 AM
As a Red Sox fan, when the Yankees start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were this century.

As a fan of any other team, when Red Sox fans start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were without David Ortiz on steroids.
Pfft.  What player wasn't on steroids?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 07, 2019, 08:46:11 AM
As a Red Sox fan, when the Yankees start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were this century.

As a fan of any other team, when Red Sox fans start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were without David Ortiz on steroids.
Pfft.  What player wasn't on steroids?

Frank Thomas, for one.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Rothman on October 07, 2019, 09:53:18 AM
As a Red Sox fan, when the Yankees start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were this century.

As a fan of any other team, when Red Sox fans start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were without David Ortiz on steroids.
Pfft.  What player wasn't on steroids?

Frank Thomas, for one.
Pfft.  Says him. :D
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KEVIN_224 on October 07, 2019, 03:35:55 PM
The Yankees won 7 World Series in my lifetime, with 5 of them as an adult (I'm 48). We've been waiting for nearly 10 years now. It was brutal living in Old Orchard Beach, ME from 1985 to 1987. The Red Sox nearly won the 1986 World Series. The Patriots were in Super Bowl XX. The Celtics won their 16th title in 1986. I lost how many times I heard "But you live in New England...". The Yankees are the only New York market team I've ever loved.

I was actually a Miami Dolphins fan for 36 years, but finally gave up on them this year. I grew tired of them having no Super Bowl appearances since XIX and not winning one since VIII. The Patriots, who are 5-0 at this writing, are "good" only because their schedule (except for the Buffalo Bills) is softer than cotton candy. The combined record of their opponents to now is 5-18. I also simply got fed up living in that team's shadow.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 07, 2019, 04:03:45 PM
As a Red Sox fan, when the Yankees start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were this century.

As a fan of any other team, when Red Sox fans start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were without David Ortiz on steroids.
Pfft.  What player wasn't on steroids?

Frank Thomas, for one.
Pfft.  Says him. :D

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/758294-mlb-steroids-era-the-best-hitters-who-are-believed-not-to-have-juiced

And Bleacher Report.  And plenty of others.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Rothman on October 07, 2019, 05:09:26 PM
As a Red Sox fan, when the Yankees start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were this century.

As a fan of any other team, when Red Sox fans start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were without David Ortiz on steroids.
Pfft.  What player wasn't on steroids?

Frank Thomas, for one.
Pfft.  Says him. :D

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/758294-mlb-steroids-era-the-best-hitters-who-are-believed-not-to-have-juiced

And Bleacher Report.  And plenty of others.
That title says it all.  "Believed to Have Not Juiced" rather than "Players Who Did Not Juice" speaks volumes. :D
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 07, 2019, 05:11:47 PM
As a Red Sox fan, when the Yankees start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were this century.

As a fan of any other team, when Red Sox fans start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were without David Ortiz on steroids.
Pfft.  What player wasn't on steroids?

Frank Thomas, for one.
Pfft.  Says him. :D

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/758294-mlb-steroids-era-the-best-hitters-who-are-believed-not-to-have-juiced

And Bleacher Report.  And plenty of others.
That title says it all.  "Believed to Have Not Juiced" rather than "Players Who Did Not Juice" speaks volumes. :D

Yes, it means that reasonable people believe it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Rothman on October 07, 2019, 05:12:57 PM
As a Red Sox fan, when the Yankees start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were this century.

As a fan of any other team, when Red Sox fans start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were without David Ortiz on steroids.
Pfft.  What player wasn't on steroids?

Frank Thomas, for one.
Pfft.  Says him. :D

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/758294-mlb-steroids-era-the-best-hitters-who-are-believed-not-to-have-juiced

And Bleacher Report.  And plenty of others.
That title says it all.  "Believed to Have Not Juiced" rather than "Players Who Did Not Juice" speaks volumes. :D

Yes, it means that reasonable people believe it.
Nah.  It means there is no guarantee they didn't juice up.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on October 10, 2019, 09:12:46 AM
Short night’s sleep. Totally worth it.

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Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on October 10, 2019, 09:15:51 AM
Playoff Kershaw showed up again  :-D :-D
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 10, 2019, 09:54:41 AM
As they say, you can't script October. I'm going with the Nationals to beat the Cardinals in the NLCS, and whoever wins tonight's ALDS Game 5 (Rays or Astros) to beat the Yankees in the ALCS.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 10, 2019, 11:36:48 AM
Joe Kelly and Dave Roberts will always be loved in Boston.  Joe Kelly and Dave Roberts will be pariahs in LA.  What Roberts did last night equates to Grady Little for the Red Sox in 2003 by leaving Pedro in.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: nexus73 on October 10, 2019, 03:16:51 PM
Playoff Kershaw showed up again  :-D :-D

....ain't that the truth!

Hard to believe when the Dodgers set a franchise record for wins in a regular season, that they would fall apart like a cheap suit to Washington.  Remember when the Mariners set a record for most wins in the regular season by any MLB team?  They lost in the first round of playoffs.

Rick
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: akotchi on October 10, 2019, 03:29:38 PM
Playoff Kershaw showed up again  :-D :-D

....ain't that the truth!

Hard to believe when the Dodgers set a franchise record for wins in a regular season, that they would fall apart like a cheap suit to Washington.  Remember when the Mariners set a record for most wins in the regular season by any MLB team?  They lost in the first round of playoffs.

Rick
Second round.  They won their ALDS against, I think, Cleveland.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: nexus73 on October 10, 2019, 03:30:41 PM
Playoff Kershaw showed up again  :-D :-D

....ain't that the truth!

Hard to believe when the Dodgers set a franchise record for wins in a regular season, that they would fall apart like a cheap suit to Washington.  Remember when the Mariners set a record for most wins in the regular season by any MLB team?  They lost in the first round of playoffs.

Rick
Second round.  They won their ALDS against, I think, Cleveland.

I thought different.  Sorry!

Rick
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 11, 2019, 12:44:33 AM
As they say, you can't script October. I'm going with the Nationals to beat the Cardinals in the NLCS, and whoever wins tonight's ALDS Game 5 (Rays or Astros) to beat the Yankees in the ALCS.
Feel the hate. Let it flow within you. Yankees/Nationals.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 12, 2019, 10:28:24 PM
As they say, you can't script October. I'm going with the Nationals to beat the Cardinals in the NLCS, and whoever wins tonight's ALDS Game 5 (Rays or Astros) to beat the Yankees in the ALCS.
Feel the hate. Let it flow within you. Yankees/Nationals.

I'd actually like to see Les Nats get there after 50 years of never making it as a franchise.  However, the other team that wears pinstripes, has cloven hooves, and rooting for them is like rooting for the house in Blackjack, The Wicked Witch of the West to conquer Oz, or Bernie Madoff to win the lottery, that is another story. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 12, 2019, 11:04:30 PM
As they say, you can't script October. I'm going with the Nationals to beat the Cardinals in the NLCS, and whoever wins tonight's ALDS Game 5 (Rays or Astros) to beat the Yankees in the ALCS.
Feel the hate. Let it flow within you. Yankees/Nationals.

I'd actually like to see Les Nats get there after 50 years of never making it as a franchise.  However, the other team that wears pinstripes, has cloven hooves, and rooting for them is like rooting for the house in Blackjack, The Wicked Witch of the West to conquer Oz, or Bernie Madoff to win the lottery, that is another story. 
I find it odd that anyone in Cheaters* fan territory can accuse someone else of being evil.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kurumi on October 16, 2019, 12:28:20 AM
Congrats to the Nats on their first pennant!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: US 89 on October 16, 2019, 12:32:54 AM
Congrats to the Nats on their first pennant!

I will be rooting for the Nats in the World Series no matter who wins the ALCS, but especially if it’s the Yankees. (And before you ask, no, I’m not a Red Sox fan either.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on October 16, 2019, 07:17:06 AM
With the Nationals making it to the World Series for the first time ever, the Mariners become the only team to never have reached them.

Like most of you, I'll be rooting for the Nats. The Yankees have too many titles, and the Astros won recently.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: nexus73 on October 16, 2019, 08:02:27 AM
With the Nationals making it to the World Series for the first time ever, the Mariners become the only team to never have reached them.

Like most of you, I'll be rooting for the Nats. The Yankees have too many titles, and the Astros won recently.

As was said about the Washington Senators, "First In War, First In Peace and Last In The American League!".  Between them and the USFL's Washington Federals, there are some teams which can never win in certain cities.  At least Seattle set a record for regular season wins.  Washington MLB has been as cursed an enterprise as there is so that would make them the ultimate underdog. 

I'll be rooting for them!

Rick
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 16, 2019, 08:55:37 AM
With the Nationals making it to the World Series for the first time ever, the Mariners become the only team to never have reached them.

Like most of you, I'll be rooting for the Nats. The Yankees have too many titles, and the Astros won recently.

Too bad that taste of the Expos tanking their way out of Montreal still lingers.  Suffice to say the Nationals are a long way from all that contraction talk of a decade and a half ago.  At least the Cardinals didn’t make it, that would have been boring to see them in the World Series again.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 16, 2019, 10:19:58 AM
What a difference 25 years makes! After that disastrous ending to the 1994 season (with a strike that wiped out the entire postseason and World Series), a contraction that nearly ended their existence, a big move across the border and the in-between seasons that ranged from mediocre to downright disappointing, the Expos-turned-Nationals have redeemed themselves in a big way with their first NL pennant. Next, they'll face the monumental task of ending their city's 95-year championship drought, no matter who their opponent is, but if they perform as well as they did against the Cardinals (whom I absolutely despise with a passion), then they have a very good shot at it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 16, 2019, 11:15:08 AM
What a difference 25 years makes! After that disastrous ending to the 1994 season (with a strike that wiped out the entire postseason and World Series), a contraction that nearly ended their existence, a big move across the border and the in-between seasons that ranged from mediocre to downright disappointing, the Expos-turned-Nationals have redeemed themselves in a big way with their first NL pennant. Next, they'll face the monumental task of ending their city's 95-year championship drought, no matter who their opponent is, but if they perform as well as they did against the Cardinals (whom I absolutely despise with a passion), then they have a very good shot at it.

The worst thing that probably can happen is the ALCS going long and the Nationals get cold.  The ALCS might have a rain out today, having a long layoff doesn’t usually doesn’t bode well for maintaining a hot streak. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 16, 2019, 03:59:11 PM
Josh Hader's choke job in the Wild Card tastes less acrid now.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 16, 2019, 11:49:19 PM
I'm rooting for the Expos. Not the Nationals though.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 17, 2019, 08:27:33 AM
What a difference 25 years makes! After that disastrous ending to the 1994 season (with a strike that wiped out the entire postseason and World Series), a contraction that nearly ended their existence, a big move across the border and the in-between seasons that ranged from mediocre to downright disappointing, the Expos-turned-Nationals have redeemed themselves in a big way with their first NL pennant. Next, they'll face the monumental task of ending their city's 95-year championship drought, no matter who their opponent is, but if they perform as well as they did against the Cardinals (whom I absolutely despise with a passion), then they have a very good shot at it.

The worst thing that probably can happen is the ALCS going long and the Nationals get cold.  The ALCS might have a rain out today, having a long layoff doesn’t usually doesn’t bode well for maintaining a hot streak. 

The World Series starts on the same day regardless of how long each series goes, unless one of them has more than 2 rainouts.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 17, 2019, 11:01:35 AM
What a difference 25 years makes! After that disastrous ending to the 1994 season (with a strike that wiped out the entire postseason and World Series), a contraction that nearly ended their existence, a big move across the border and the in-between seasons that ranged from mediocre to downright disappointing, the Expos-turned-Nationals have redeemed themselves in a big way with their first NL pennant. Next, they'll face the monumental task of ending their city's 95-year championship drought, no matter who their opponent is, but if they perform as well as they did against the Cardinals (whom I absolutely despise with a passion), then they have a very good shot at it.

The worst thing that probably can happen is the ALCS going long and the Nationals get cold.  The ALCS might have a rain out today, having a long layoff doesn’t usually doesn’t bode well for maintaining a hot streak.

Absolutely true.  Look at the 07 Rockies who tore through the Division Series and NLCS and sat there while the Red Sox/Indians ALCS went the full 7.  Sox swept the Rockies in the World Series and it wasn’t really close (ok, but still better than the Cards effort against the Nats).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: spooky on October 17, 2019, 11:29:47 AM
I'm rooting for the Expos. Not the Nationals though.

Vive Les Expos!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Mark68 on October 17, 2019, 01:34:59 PM
Congrats to the Nats on their first pennant!

I will be rooting for the Nats in the World Series no matter who wins the ALCS, but especially if it’s the Yankees. (And before you ask, no, I’m not a Red Sox fan either.)

As will I.

I think all right-thinking baseball fans who are not in New York or from New York should loathe the Yankees.




 :bigass:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 17, 2019, 06:54:54 PM
I saw this one in another forum.
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2019-nlcs-3-st-louis-cardinals-vs-wc1-washington-nationals-wsh-wins-4-0.2696275/page-8#post-165492721  However, I think Bud Selig shouldn't get all the credit, Donald Fehr played a part too. >_<

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Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 18, 2019, 12:36:26 AM
Congrats to the Nats on their first pennant!

I will be rooting for the Nats in the World Series no matter who wins the ALCS, but especially if it’s the Yankees. (And before you ask, no, I’m not a Red Sox fan either.)

As will I.

I think all right-thinking baseball fans who are not in New York or from New York should loathe the Yankees.




 :bigass:
Most of them shouldn't care. I don't care about the Lakers, or Cowboys, or [name popular franchise]. I hate my teams' rivals.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 18, 2019, 01:10:03 AM
Congrats to the Nats on their first pennant!

I will be rooting for the Nats in the World Series no matter who wins the ALCS, but especially if it’s the Yankees. (And before you ask, no, I’m not a Red Sox fan either.)

As will I.

I think all right-thinking baseball fans who are not in New York or from New York should loathe the Yankees.




 :bigass:
Most of them shouldn't care. I don't care about the Lakers, or Cowboys, or [name popular franchise]. I hate my teams' rivals.

When my team isn’t involved I usually just root for teams that haven’t been a championship series or game in a long time.  Personally I find a lot of the marque teams in sports to be more boring than something I hate. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 20, 2019, 08:03:49 PM
The Astros won the American League pennant.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kendancy66 on October 20, 2019, 08:52:10 PM
What a difference 25 years makes! After that disastrous ending to the 1994 season (with a strike that wiped out the entire postseason and World Series), a contraction that nearly ended their existence, a big move across the border and the in-between seasons that ranged from mediocre to downright disappointing, the Expos-turned-Nationals have redeemed themselves in a big way with their first NL pennant. Next, they'll face the monumental task of ending their city's 95-year championship drought, no matter who their opponent is, but if they perform as well as they did against the Cardinals (whom I absolutely despise with a passion), then they have a very good shot at it.

The worst thing that probably can happen is the ALCS going long and the Nationals get cold.  The ALCS might have a rain out today, having a long layoff doesn’t usually doesn’t bode well for maintaining a hot streak. 

There was interesting statistic that revealed that 7 NLCS champions have "swept".  They are only 1 and 6 in the world series.  The only sweep winners are the 1995 Atlanta Braves
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on October 20, 2019, 10:52:43 PM
What a difference 25 years makes! After that disastrous ending to the 1994 season (with a strike that wiped out the entire postseason and World Series), a contraction that nearly ended their existence, a big move across the border and the in-between seasons that ranged from mediocre to downright disappointing, the Expos-turned-Nationals have redeemed themselves in a big way with their first NL pennant. Next, they'll face the monumental task of ending their city's 95-year championship drought, no matter who their opponent is, but if they perform as well as they did against the Cardinals (whom I absolutely despise with a passion), then they have a very good shot at it.

The worst thing that probably can happen is the ALCS going long and the Nationals get cold.  The ALCS might have a rain out today, having a long layoff doesn’t usually doesn’t bode well for maintaining a hot streak. 

There was interesting statistic that revealed that 7 NLCS champions have "swept".  They are only 1 and 6 in the world series.  The only sweep winners are the 1995 Atlanta Braves

They closed out 8-2 against the state of Ohio. (Cincy in the LCS, Cleveland in the World Series)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 21, 2019, 07:48:05 AM
The American League has won every World Series in which the Astros have participated.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 21, 2019, 07:53:35 AM
The American League has won every World Series in which the Astros have participated.

LOL

Maybe it'll finally work out for them this time!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 21, 2019, 11:10:53 AM
The American League has won every World Series in which the Astros have participated.
LOL
Maybe it'll finally work out for them this time!

Didn't the Astron won a World Series in 2017 when they moved from the National League to the American League?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 21, 2019, 12:37:03 PM
The American League has won every World Series in which the Astros have participated.
LOL
Maybe it'll finally work out for them this time!

Didn't the Astron won a World Series in 2017 when they moved from the National League to the American League?

They did, so the American League is 2-0 in their World Series appearances. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on October 21, 2019, 03:29:14 PM
Well, at least the Yankees aren't in the World Series. Regardless of that, since the Astros won recently, I'm still rooting for the Nationals (or as those who got stuck in 2004 say, the Expos) to win it all.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 21, 2019, 03:53:37 PM
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Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Mark68 on October 21, 2019, 04:06:36 PM
I'm rooting for the Expos to beat the Colt .45s.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1 on October 21, 2019, 04:24:06 PM
I'm rooting for the Expos to beat the Colt .45s.

Basically a generalization of "the pen is mightier than the sword".
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: nexus73 on October 21, 2019, 05:19:43 PM
I'm rooting for the Expos to beat the Colt .45s.

...and in an alternate universe, the Texans are in Dallas while the Titans are in NYC.  Cleveland's got a Super Bowl title courtesy of the Rams too!  They beat the Oilers, who finally did not have to face the Steagles en route to the AFC championship.

Oh, don't forget all the basketball titles from the Land Of 10,000 Lakes...LOL!

Rick
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 21, 2019, 10:45:49 PM
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Angels aren't in this one. But every time the Red Sox win, a devil gets its horns...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Beltway on October 21, 2019, 11:25:35 PM
Well, at least the Yankees aren't in the World Series.
Yeah, thank goodness, they've been in more than their share in the past.

Regardless of that, since the Astros won recently, I'm still rooting for the Nationals (or as those who got stuck in 2004 say, the Expos) to win it all.
I'll root for the Nationals, after all they are the local team for me.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Beltway on October 21, 2019, 11:27:16 PM
Angels aren't in this one. But every time the Red Sox win, a devil gets its horns...
Same goes for the Pats ...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 21, 2019, 11:51:04 PM
My wife is rooting for the Nationals, I kind of find doing so irksome because of the whole Expos debacle.  Both teams have former Tigers starters, so really all I care about is seeing a competitive series. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kurumi on October 22, 2019, 02:13:41 AM
In the area of nonsense stats (e.g. "How can Tom Brady be the GOAT when he has only won 2 wildcard playoff games in his career!") I wondered if the Yankees had lost more World Serieseses than any other team. Not as of 2017; NYY are 27-13, while LAD are now 6-14. The historical NY teams (Yanks, Dodgers, Giants) are 1-2-3 in WS losses simply because they are also 1-2-3 in WS games played. Collectively: 80 series, 41 wins, 39 losses. (Team #4 with 19 appearances: the Cards at 11-8.)

The Sox have a better W/L percentage (9-4, .692) than the Yankees; but the Pirates (5-2, .714) do even better, and the Blue Jays and Marlins tie for 2-0 each in WS appearances: best record for multiple appearances.

After this November, the only MLB team to have never appeared in the WS: the Seattle Mariners.

(source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Series_champions)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: nexus73 on October 22, 2019, 09:24:57 AM
In the area of nonsense stats (e.g. "How can Tom Brady be the GOAT when he has only won 2 wildcard playoff games in his career!") I wondered if the Yankees had lost more World Serieseses than any other team. Not as of 2017; NYY are 27-13, while LAD are now 6-14. The historical NY teams (Yanks, Dodgers, Giants) are 1-2-3 in WS losses simply because they are also 1-2-3 in WS games played. Collectively: 80 series, 41 wins, 39 losses. (Team #4 with 19 appearances: the Cards at 11-8.)

The Sox have a better W/L percentage (9-4, .692) than the Yankees; but the Pirates (5-2, .714) do even better, and the Blue Jays and Marlins tie for 2-0 each in WS appearances: best record for multiple appearances.

After this November, the only MLB team to have never appeared in the WS: the Seattle Mariners.

(source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Series_champions)

...and of course who holds the record for most regular season wins?  The Mariners...LOL!

Talk about being a stats king!

Rick
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on October 22, 2019, 05:01:33 PM
After this November, the only MLB team to have never appeared in the WS: the Seattle Mariners.

(source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Series_champions)

Already noted by me when the Nationals qualified for the World Series:
With the Nationals making it to the World Series for the first time ever, the Mariners become the only team to never have reached them.

And fixed link. Don't link to mobile Wikipedia, it doesn't redirect to desktop version when entering from a computer, unlike the other way round.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on October 31, 2019, 12:32:51 AM
What a glorious sports year or so.

Stanley Cup
NCAA Basketball championship
NCAA Lacrosse championship
I don’t watch the WNBA, but the Mystics’ win was cool
....and NOW THE WORLD SERIES!!!!!

I just wish my dad had made it a few more months to see this!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on October 31, 2019, 05:27:49 AM
It's funny how the away team won all seven games. Anyway, I congratulate the Nationals for their first World Series title, they should have won in 1994 as the Expos had the strike not happened. This also ends a 95 year wait for Washington DC, including 33 years in which it was impossible for the city to celebrate one title as they didn't have a MLB team. Now, I believe all the remaining teams which haven't won a World Series yet will do so in my lifetime. As well as the Indians. I've already seen the Cubs getting it, so why not.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Beltway on October 31, 2019, 07:32:26 AM
It's funny how the away team won all seven games.
First time ever.

Anyway, I congratulate the Nationals for their first World Series title, they should have won in 1994 as the Expos had the strike not happened. This also ends a 95 year wait for Washington DC, including 33 years in which it was impossible for the city to celebrate one title as they didn't have a MLB team. Now, I believe all the remaining teams which haven't won a World Series yet will do so in my lifetime. As well as the Indians. I've already seen the Cubs getting it, so why not.

https://www.mlb.com/news/nationals-world-series-facts-and-figures

Quotes:

The Nationals’ 19-31 record was the worst 50-game start of any team to win the World Series. They’re only the fifth team to be below .500 through 50 games and win the World Series, and the first since the 2003 Marlins, who started 21-29.

[That helps explain how a 93-win team beat an 106-win team and 107-win team in the postseason, as their last ~120 games were played at the overall win performance of the latter teams]

The Nats join the 1914 Braves as the only teams to win the World Series in a season in which they were at least 12 games below .500 at any point, according to the Elias Sports Bureau.

The Nationals sealed the first championship in the franchise's 51-season history (Expos/Nats), since Montreal debuted as an expansion team in 1969. It’s the second championship for a Washington team in Major League history, and the first since the '24 Senators beat the New York Giants in Game 7 at Griffith Stadium.

Just how tough was the Nationals’ road? They took down two teams that won 105 or more games to win the title: the 106-win Dodgers and the 107-win Astros. They were only the second team to face two 105-plus-win teams in a single postseason, along with the 1998 Padres, and they're the only ones to beat both of those teams en route to a title.

The Nats went 8-1 on the road this postseason, tying the 1996 Yankees’ record for both total postseason road wins in a year and consecutive road wins in a single postseason, which was also eight.

The Nationals made it difficult, losing all three World Series games at Nationals Park. They counteracted that by becoming the first champion to capture each of its World Series wins on the road. Yet they also continued a recent trend of road success in the Fall Classic, making it the sixth straight year that the Series winner has clinched on the road, and the fourth straight World Series Game 7 in which the road team has prevailed.

The Nats are the seventh Wild Card team to win a championship since the Wild Card era began in 1995, but only the second since 2012, when the Wild Card Games debuted. The only other team to advance past that winner-take-all affair to begin the postseason and then go on to win the championship was the '14 Giants.

Game 7 marked the fifth time this October that the Nationals trailed in an elimination game and came back to win, a record for a team in a single postseason.

 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 31, 2019, 07:48:18 AM
It's funny how the away team won all seven games. Anyway, I congratulate the Nationals for their first World Series title, they should have won in 1994 as the Expos had the strike not happened. This also ends a 95 year wait for Washington DC, including 33 years in which it was impossible for the city to celebrate one title as they didn't have a MLB team. Now, I believe all the remaining teams which haven't won a World Series yet will do so in my lifetime. As well as the Indians. I've already seen the Cubs getting it, so why not.

I want to say the Mariners are the only team that hasn’t been to a World Series.  The only current teams that haven’t won a series are; Rays, Rockies, Padres, Mariners, Brewers and the Rangers. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 31, 2019, 10:27:16 AM
From a roadgeek perspective, you have to keep these two things in mind: The number of years it took the Nationals to reach the World Series matches the US route that passes through the heart of the city, and the number of years that had passed since the Senators' only victory matches the Interstate that serves it.

In any case, I'm happy that they won, and after that near-miss by the 1994 Expos and their subsequent downfall, they really deserve it. Hopefully, those former fans in Montreal can put all differences aside and forgive the team that deserted them 15 years ago.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 31, 2019, 10:45:03 AM
The first year the Nationals played in DC, the Astros lost the World Series.
The most recent year the Nationals played in DC, the Astros lost the World Series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: dvferyance on October 31, 2019, 12:06:23 PM
Just insane they were still paying baseball when it was snowing outside. Really can't they at least play the world series earlier in October? This is football season not baseball season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 31, 2019, 12:15:32 PM
Just insane they were still paying baseball when it was snowing outside. Really can't they at least play the world series earlier in October? This is football season not baseball season.

There's really no need for a 162 game season, but the owners and players are never going to give up that money, so you have a season that begins in mid-March or ends in late October.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 31, 2019, 12:33:30 PM
Shortening the season completely changes the dynamic of the league.  Baseball is a marathon, not a sprint.  All statistics for the longest running professional sport in America would be invalidated.  Terrible idea to mess with history like that.

So what if it's snowing in some places while the world series is going on? I welcome the day when a World Series game is postponed due to a snowstorm in Minneapolis.  Because it will be hilarious.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 31, 2019, 12:39:28 PM
Shortening the season completely changes the dynamic of the league.  Baseball is a marathon, not a sprint.  All statistics for the longest running professional sport in America would be invalidated.  Terrible idea to mess with history like that.

So what if it's snowing in some places while the world series is going on? I welcome the day when a World Series game is postponed due to a snowstorm in Minneapolis.  Because it will be hilarious.

A 150 game season is still a marathon but cuts out 2 weeks, and as long as PEDs remain illegal, very few season records are breakable anyway.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Rothman on October 31, 2019, 12:50:21 PM
Shortening the season completely changes the dynamic of the league.  Baseball is a marathon, not a sprint.  All statistics for the longest running professional sport in America would be invalidated.  Terrible idea to mess with history like that.

So what if it's snowing in some places while the world series is going on? I welcome the day when a World Series game is postponed due to a snowstorm in Minneapolis.  Because it will be hilarious.

A 150 game season is still a marathon but cuts out 2 weeks, and as long as PEDs remain illegal, very few season records are breakable anyway.
Season length has certainly been changed before.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: MNHighwayMan on October 31, 2019, 12:55:30 PM
I welcome the day when a World Series game is postponed due to a snowstorm in Minneapolis.  Because it will be hilarious.

I welcome this too, but for slightly different reasons.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 31, 2019, 04:15:05 PM
I welcome the day when a World Series game is postponed due to a snowstorm in Minneapolis.  Because it will be hilarious.

I welcome this too, but for slightly different reasons.

A snowstorm in the World Series could also happen in Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland, Milwaukee and Toronto depending of Mother Nature's mood. ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on October 31, 2019, 04:30:01 PM
^^ Milwaukee and Toronto have movable roofs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 31, 2019, 06:18:00 PM
I welcome the day when a World Series game is postponed due to a snowstorm in Minneapolis.  Because it will be hilarious.

I welcome this too, but for slightly different reasons.

A snowstorm in the World Series could also happen in Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland, Milwaukee and Toronto depending of Mother Nature's mood. ;)

You can certainly add Denver to the list.  And there's always a chance in Boston or New York in late October or early April. It's a good thing the Mets weren't in the 2011 World Series, because if it had gone the full 7 games, Game 7 would have been snowed out by the Snowtober storm (the NL had home field that year).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: DTComposer on October 31, 2019, 10:09:21 PM
Shortening the season completely changes the dynamic of the league.  Baseball is a marathon, not a sprint.  All statistics for the longest running professional sport in America would be invalidated.  Terrible idea to mess with history like that.

So what if it's snowing in some places while the world series is going on? I welcome the day when a World Series game is postponed due to a snowstorm in Minneapolis.  Because it will be hilarious.

Aren't player statistics are compared against the entire "modern era" (i.e. starting in 1901)? We're not adjusting Babe Ruth's home run total because he only played 154-game seasons.

I'd be fine with going back to 154 games. Expand to 32 teams (Portland and Charlotte), four divisions of four teams in each league.

18 games each against division teams
7 games each against one other division in league (in rotation)
5 games each against two other divisions in league (in rotation)
5 games each against corresponding division in other league (i.e. NL West vs. AL West)
3 games each against one other division in other league (in rotation)

Eight-team playoff bracket in each league. First round is best-of-three, other rounds stay as they are. World Series ends no later than the last Sunday in October.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: nexus73 on November 01, 2019, 12:22:37 AM
Shortening the season completely changes the dynamic of the league.  Baseball is a marathon, not a sprint.  All statistics for the longest running professional sport in America would be invalidated.  Terrible idea to mess with history like that.

So what if it's snowing in some places while the world series is going on? I welcome the day when a World Series game is postponed due to a snowstorm in Minneapolis.  Because it will be hilarious.

Aren't player statistics are compared against the entire "modern era" (i.e. starting in 1901)? We're not adjusting Babe Ruth's home run total because he only played 154-game seasons.

I'd be fine with going back to 154 games. Expand to 32 teams (Portland and Charlotte), four divisions of four teams in each league.

18 games each against division teams
7 games each against one other division in league (in rotation)
5 games each against two other divisions in league (in rotation)
5 games each against corresponding division in other league (i.e. NL West vs. AL West)
3 games each against one other division in other league (in rotation)

Eight-team playoff bracket in each league. First round is best-of-three, other rounds stay as they are. World Series ends no later than the last Sunday in October.

I like your idea.  Not only do we get the World Series to end earlier, we also get the chance of a matchup between two teams that never played each other in the regular season.  Good Job Bob award for your plan!

Rick
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on November 01, 2019, 12:29:13 AM
the world series just ended in October. that's all I ever ask.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on November 01, 2019, 07:23:43 AM
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Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on November 02, 2019, 03:00:06 PM
Very, very cool:

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Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kendancy66 on November 02, 2019, 10:58:44 PM
The first year the Nationals played in DC, the Astros lost the World Series.
The most recent year the Nationals played in DC, the Astros lost the World Series.
The Astros are the only team to win an AL and NL title. The Milwaukee Brewers are the only other team that can currently accomplish this. They have AL title from 1982 and are in the NL now



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Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Mark68 on November 05, 2019, 11:12:02 AM
This also ends a 95 year wait for Washington DC, including 33 years in which it was impossible for the city to celebrate one title as they didn't have a MLB team.


It can be said that they really didn't have an MLB team even longer than the 33 years, as the 2nd iteration of the Senators only once finished higher than 8th (6th in 1967) in the 10-team AL and never higher than 4th (1969--albeit with a winning record) in the 6-team AL East before moving to Texas in 1972.

In the last 15 years before the original Senators moved to Minnesota in 1961, they finished 4th (out of 8) once, 5th three times (including 1952 & 53, the only years of .500 or better records in this stretch), 6th once, 7th four times and 8th (last) place five times (including 4 out of 5 seasons from 1955-59).

They were bad. So one could say that there really hadn't been a "major league" quality team in Washington for 60 years (1946-2005). The old(est) Senators did finish 2nd in 1945, only 1 1/2 games back.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on November 21, 2019, 09:35:20 AM
As if losing the World Series wasn't bad enough for the Astros, they may face harsh penalties for cheating their way to their own championship in 2017:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28116718/mlb-commissioner-says-punishments-severe-sign-stealing-scandal

While I wouldn't call them MLB's version of the New England Patriots (at least not yet anyway), they're also the same team whose ballpark once had Enron's name on it, and we all remember how that went down, so scandal runs deep in Houston.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on November 21, 2019, 04:52:19 PM
As if losing the World Series wasn't bad enough for the Astros, they may face harsh penalties for cheating their way to their own championship in 2017:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28116718/mlb-commissioner-says-punishments-severe-sign-stealing-scandal (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28116718/mlb-commissioner-says-punishments-severe-sign-stealing-scandal)

While I wouldn't call them MLB's version of the New England Patriots (at least not yet anyway), they're also the same team whose ballpark once had Enron's name on it, and we all remember how that went down, so scandal runs deep in Houston.
It probably won’t be long before that happens, though. As ZZ Top themselves said, there’s Heaven, Hell, and Houston. ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: MNHighwayMan on November 21, 2019, 08:03:30 PM
While I wouldn't call them MLB's version of the New England Patriots

Nah, that's the Yankees.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 21, 2019, 08:32:40 PM
Stealing signs is common place in all levels of baseball whether or not MLB wants to believe that. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on November 21, 2019, 09:30:50 PM
While I wouldn't call them MLB's version of the New England Patriots

Nah, that's the Yankees.
Please show me an example of umpires favoring the Yankees, or of the Yankees owner and family partying with the MLB commissioner and family.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Rothman on November 21, 2019, 09:56:24 PM
While I wouldn't call them MLB's version of the New England Patriots

Nah, that's the Yankees.
Please show me an example of umpires favoring the Yankees, or of the Yankees owner and family partying with the MLB commissioner and family.
9-1!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on November 22, 2019, 12:45:53 AM
While I wouldn't call them MLB's version of the New England Patriots

Nah, that's the Yankees.
Please show me an example of umpires favoring the Yankees, or of the Yankees owner and family partying with the MLB commissioner and family.
9-1!
September 1st? A 9-1 win? 8?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1 on November 22, 2019, 05:29:42 AM
While I wouldn't call them MLB's version of the New England Patriots

Nah, that's the Yankees.
Please show me an example of umpires favoring the Yankees, or of the Yankees owner and family partying with the MLB commissioner and family.
9-1!
September 1st? A 9-1 win? 8?
I checked the game on September 1. On that day, the Yankees had a come-from-behind win, winning 5-4, so that might be what he was referring to. However, I'm not seeing any controversy for that game; the win was legitimate.

The Yankees won 9-1 on September 19. Nothing unusual that day, either.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on November 22, 2019, 09:51:56 AM
While I wouldn't call them MLB's version of the New England Patriots

Nah, that's the Yankees.
Please show me an example of umpires favoring the Yankees, or of the Yankees owner and family partying with the MLB commissioner and family.

Jeffrey Maier. Clearly fan interference.

The whole A-Rod fiasco when the Players Union blocked his trade to the Red Sox, but they were a-ok with the Yankees trade (ended up being the best trade the Sox never made).

A game a few years ago where Big Papi was called out on strikes on a pitch that was 3 feet outside.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Mark68 on November 22, 2019, 02:03:23 PM
Stealing signs is common place in all levels of baseball whether or not MLB wants to believe that. 

While this is true, the issue with the Astros is the use of technology to do so. That is expressly forbidden. An individual player stealing signs is one thing, however, this is the systematic use of technological devices.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 22, 2019, 02:21:57 PM
While I wouldn't call them MLB's version of the New England Patriots

Nah, that's the Yankees.
Please show me an example of umpires favoring the Yankees, or of the Yankees owner and family partying with the MLB commissioner and family.

Jeffrey Maier. Clearly fan interference.

The whole A-Rod fiasco when the Players Union blocked his trade to the Red Sox, but they were a-ok with the Yankees trade (ended up being the best trade the Sox never made).

A game a few years ago where Big Papi was called out on strikes on a pitch that was 3 feet outside.

So the umpire was unfair to the steroid cheater.  Sounds like a wash.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 22, 2019, 02:42:46 PM
Stealing signs is common place in all levels of baseball whether or not MLB wants to believe that. 

While this is true, the issue with the Astros is the use of technology to do so. That is expressly forbidden. An individual player stealing signs is one thing, however, this is the systematic use of technological devices.

Yes, I’m not condoning the action I’m just not surprised that in a sport that has had some historical issues with cheating that someone else found a way to do it. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on November 22, 2019, 04:49:55 PM
While I wouldn't call them MLB's version of the New England Patriots

Nah, that's the Yankees.
Please show me an example of umpires favoring the Yankees, or of the Yankees owner and family partying with the MLB commissioner and family.

Jeffrey Maier. Clearly fan interference.

The whole A-Rod fiasco when the Players Union blocked his trade to the Red Sox, but they were a-ok with the Yankees trade (ended up being the best trade the Sox never made).

A game a few years ago where Big Papi was called out on strikes on a pitch that was 3 feet outside.
Maier happened years before video review. That would have been overturned nowadays.
I've seen games in 2019 with horrible strike calls. Prove they're 8biased toward one team. You can't.
Sux tried to lower the cash value of A Fraud's contact. Yankees didn't. Simple as that  You're right in your conclusion though.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Beltway on November 22, 2019, 11:07:35 PM
The New York Yankees have always been the Best Team that Money Can Buy.

The result of not having a salary cap in MLB, and Greater NYC being by far the largest metropolitan media market in the country, dating all the way back to the late 1800s when MLB was founded.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on November 23, 2019, 01:13:07 AM
The New York Yankees have always been the Best Team that Money Can Buy.

The result of not having a salary cap in MLB, and Greater NYC being by far the largest metropolitan media market in the country, dating all the way back to the late 1800s when MLB was founded.
Take a look at who's been spending the most lately and get back to me.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Beltway on November 23, 2019, 05:15:36 AM
The New York Yankees have always been the Best Team that Money Can Buy.
The result of not having a salary cap in MLB, and Greater NYC being by far the largest metropolitan media market in the country, dating all the way back to the late 1800s when MLB was founded.
Take a look at who's been spending the most lately and get back to me.
32 of their 40 pennants were before 1980, and 36 before 2000.

Things have evened out some in recent years.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: dlsterner on November 23, 2019, 11:41:25 PM
Stealing signs is common place in all levels of baseball whether or not MLB wants to believe that.

Stealing signs, in and of itself, is mostly looked upon as "gamesmanship".  If an opponent is careless with obscuring their signals I have no issues with players taking advantage of that.  I guess the line is drawn when technology comes into play (like cameras and microphones) as opposed to human observation.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on January 01, 2020, 10:38:15 AM
This one come late, it's from last October. The 2 independent leagues, the Cam-Am league and the Frontier league had merged.
https://www.courierpress.com/story/sports/baseball/otters/2019/10/16/frontier-league-announces-merger-can-am-league/3977863002/

Quote
The Frontier League, the longest-running independent league in professional baseball, announced Wednesday it will merge with the Can-Am League for the 2020 season.

It will create North America's largest league in independent baseball as five Can-Am teams join nine from the Frontier League, including the Evansville Otters, who will remain the oldest franchise.

The league will continue to be called the Frontier League.

"For those of us who have been in this business for a long time, to see where this thing can go, we're so excited for the future," Frontier League commissioner Bill Lee said during a news conference, noting discussions had been ongoing for two years.

"Bringing the 14 teams from basically the Atlantic Ocean to the Mississippi River, we want to make sure this thing can grow and watch our industry grow with it."

There will be two divisions. One will be called the Cam-Am Division, which will include its legacy members in the New Jersey Jackals, Quebec Capitales, Rockland Boulders, Sussex County Miners and Trois-Rivieres Aigles as well as the Washington Wild Things and Lake Erie Crushers.

The Midwestern Division will then include the Evansville Otters, Florence Freedom, Gateway Grizzlies, Joliet Slammers, Schaumburg Boomers, Southern Illinois Miners and the Windy City ThunderBolts.

The Frontier League has never had more than 14 active teams since it was established in 1993.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on January 04, 2020, 07:46:59 AM
In more Frontier League notes...

The Florence Freedom were sold to a group of local investors this past summer.  In October, the new owners decided to re-brand the team and dropped the Freedom name immediately.  So, right now, they are the Florence team until a decision is made.

BTW, the baseball played in the Frontier League isn't bad.  UC Health Stadium is modern and the playing surface is field turf (including the "dirt").
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on January 04, 2020, 08:21:25 AM
I have not been to a Marion/Southern Illinois Miners game, who are also in the Frontier League

I know tickets and beer are reasonably priced, and Rent One Park is a decent ballpark for a smaller league
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on January 14, 2020, 10:20:33 AM
I knew it was going to happen eventually...

The Astros have fired their manager A.J. Hinch and GM Jeff Luhnow in their ongoing sign-stealing scandal, plus they've lost four draft picks for 2020 and 2021 and been hit with a hefty fine from MLB:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28476780/astros-jeff-luhnow-aj-hinch-fired-sign-stealing
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 14, 2020, 12:06:08 PM
I knew it was going to happen eventually...

The Astros have fired their manager A.J. Hinch and GM Jeff Luhnow in their ongoing sign-stealing scandal, plus they've lost four draft picks for 2020 and 2021 and been hit with a hefty fine from MLB:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28476780/astros-jeff-luhnow-aj-hinch-fired-sign-stealing

But still have a World Series title at the end of the day making all that happened still worth it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on January 14, 2020, 10:56:21 PM
I knew it was going to happen eventually...

The Astros have fired their manager A.J. Hinch and GM Jeff Luhnow in their ongoing sign-stealing scandal, plus they've lost four draft picks for 2020 and 2021 and been hit with a hefty fine from MLB:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28476780/astros-jeff-luhnow-aj-hinch-fired-sign-stealing

But still have a World Series title at the end of the day making all that happened still worth it.
Which should be revoked.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 14, 2020, 11:03:05 PM
I knew it was going to happen eventually...

The Astros have fired their manager A.J. Hinch and GM Jeff Luhnow in their ongoing sign-stealing scandal, plus they've lost four draft picks for 2020 and 2021 and been hit with a hefty fine from MLB:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28476780/astros-jeff-luhnow-aj-hinch-fired-sign-stealing

But still have a World Series title at the end of the day making all that happened still worth it.
Which should be revoked.

Perhaps, but no professional league has the guts to alter an already existing result. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on January 14, 2020, 11:06:29 PM
And the fallout continues.  The Red Sox have mutually parted ways with manager Alex Cora, who, as the ringleader, faces even stronger discipline than Hinch and Luhnow.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 15, 2020, 07:41:40 AM
Since the Astros were benefitting at the plate by knowing what pitch was coming, I thought this would be a fitting part of the punishment:

For every inning of every game for the upcoming season, the first Astros batter starts with a 0-1 count.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Beltway on January 15, 2020, 07:50:41 AM
Since the Astros were benefitting at the plate by knowing what pitch was coming, I thought this would be a fitting part of the punishment:
For every inning of every game for the upcoming season, the first Astros batter starts with a 0-1 count.
"Stealing signs by eyeball" has always been part of the game.

Using electronic means such as videotaping (hello NE Cheatriots!) is, well, major and high-level cheating!

If the signs are discerned by people on the field using the tools they have, then it is fair play.  Those people are on the rosters or are recognized as coaches in an official capacity.  If they get the signs it is a gift, not theft.

When the signs are discerned by someone off the field and not in the game using equipment that is not part of the game, that is stealing and should be punished.

MLB made it clear that using electronics to steal signs was out of bounds.  Doing it inside the confines of the field was still allowed but breaching the field is a violation.  A visiting team cannot have the same access to technology wired inside the stadium to steal signs as the home team.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on January 15, 2020, 07:50:55 AM
I guess the Astros will be now jinxed/cursed just like the White Sox and the Red Sox was in the past.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on January 15, 2020, 10:30:28 AM
I guess the Astros will be now jinxed/cursed just like the White Sox and the Red Sox was in the past.
And the Cubs too, who went 108 years without winning another World Series!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on January 16, 2020, 11:31:53 AM
Astros are cursed by themselves now
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 16, 2020, 12:40:29 PM
Astros are cursed by themselves now

What about the Cleveland Indians?  Funny they never gets brought up as a curse. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: roadman on January 16, 2020, 01:09:39 PM
I knew it was going to happen eventually...

The Astros have fired their manager A.J. Hinch and GM Jeff Luhnow in their ongoing sign-stealing scandal, plus they've lost four draft picks for 2020 and 2021 and been hit with a hefty fine from MLB:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28476780/astros-jeff-luhnow-aj-hinch-fired-sign-stealing

But still have a World Series title at the end of the day making all that happened still worth it.
Which should be revoked.
Only if you can conclusively prove that the sign stealing gave the Astros enough of an advantage that it was virtually impossible for LA to win the games.  Given that the batting averages of the hitters during the Series weren't at least .900 during the Series, it's pretty obvious that "advantage" played an insignificant role in their wins.

And it's a sad commentary on both society and the media that this has been blown up so out of proportion to the actual significance of the violation.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: nexus73 on January 16, 2020, 01:11:53 PM
Astros are cursed by themselves now

What about the Cleveland Indians?  Funny they never gets brought up as a curse. 

"Ha!  Ha!".  Maybe the curse will be gone from that team since Chief Wahoo is getting retired as a team symbol according to a recent article I read. 

Seattle.  Now there's a curse.  Get the record for most wins in the regular season and they still have yet to play for an AL pennant let alone in a World Series.  In the meantime, the original MLB Seattle franchise, the Pilots, moves to Milwaukie and that city gets a championship. 

Rick
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on January 16, 2020, 01:25:06 PM
Astros are cursed by themselves now

What about the Cleveland Indians?  Funny they never gets brought up as a curse. 

"Ha!  Ha!".  Maybe the curse will be gone from that team since Chief Wahoo is getting retired as a team symbol according to a recent article I read. 

Seattle.  Now there's a curse.  Get the record for most wins in the regular season and they still have yet to play for an AL pennant let alone in a World Series.  In the meantime, the original MLB Seattle franchise, the Pilots, moves to Milwaukie and that city gets a championship. 

Rick
The Brewers never won a world series. Though the Bucks won a NBA championship at that time.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: nexus73 on January 16, 2020, 01:40:31 PM
Astros are cursed by themselves now

What about the Cleveland Indians?  Funny they never gets brought up as a curse. 

"Ha!  Ha!".  Maybe the curse will be gone from that team since Chief Wahoo is getting retired as a team symbol according to a recent article I read. 

Seattle.  Now there's a curse.  Get the record for most wins in the regular season and they still have yet to play for an AL pennant let alone in a World Series.  In the meantime, the original MLB Seattle franchise, the Pilots, moves to Milwaukie and that city gets a championship. 

Rick
The Brewers never won a world series. Though the Bucks won a NBA championship at that time.

Boy, I thought they had won one but you are right!  At least they made it to a World Series.

Rick
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on January 17, 2020, 01:14:10 AM
I knew it was going to happen eventually...

The Astros have fired their manager A.J. Hinch and GM Jeff Luhnow in their ongoing sign-stealing scandal, plus they've lost four draft picks for 2020 and 2021 and been hit with a hefty fine from MLB:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28476780/astros-jeff-luhnow-aj-hinch-fired-sign-stealing

But still have a World Series title at the end of the day making all that happened still worth it.
Which should be revoked.
Only if you can conclusively prove that the sign stealing gave the Astros enough of an advantage that it was virtually impossible for LA to win the games.  Given that the batting averages of the hitters during the Series weren't at least .900 during the Series, it's pretty obvious that "advantage" played an insignificant role in their wins.

And it's a sad commentary on both society and the media that this has been blown up so out of proportion to the actual significance of the violation.
The Yankees would have been in the 2019 series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SSOWorld on January 17, 2020, 04:36:52 AM
I knew it was going to happen eventually...

The Astros have fired their manager A.J. Hinch and GM Jeff Luhnow in their ongoing sign-stealing scandal, plus they've lost four draft picks for 2020 and 2021 and been hit with a hefty fine from MLB:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28476780/astros-jeff-luhnow-aj-hinch-fired-sign-stealing

But still have a World Series title at the end of the day making all that happened still worth it.
Which should be revoked.
Only if you can conclusively prove that the sign stealing gave the Astros enough of an advantage that it was virtually impossible for LA to win the games.  Given that the batting averages of the hitters during the Series weren't at least .900 during the Series, it's pretty obvious that "advantage" played an insignificant role in their wins.

And it's a sad commentary on both society and the media that this has been blown up so out of proportion to the actual significance of the violation.
The Yankees would have been in the 2019 series.
You'll find that many of the claims we cling to depend greatly on our point of view.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on January 17, 2020, 07:20:44 AM
Another casualty of the sign stealing fiasco: Carlos Beltran (a former player for the Astros) has agreed to part ways with the Mets--before he has even managed a game for them!

Who else and what other teams are going to be affected by this?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on January 17, 2020, 07:52:04 AM

Boy, I thought they had won one but you are right!  At least they made it to a World Series.

Rick

Too bad then Montreal never made it to a World Series thanks to Donald Fehr who decided to do a strike that year, that son of a smurf*.

(*I used the word smurf as a subsititute to a certain b-word)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on January 18, 2020, 01:20:49 AM
Another casualty of the sign stealing fiasco: Carlos Beltran (a former player for the Astros) has agreed to part ways with the Mets--before he has even managed a game for them!

Who else and what other teams are going to be affected by this?
I'm curious a) how 3 teams are going to fill their managerial positions, and b) what happens to the players involved. Will there be headhunting?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on January 20, 2020, 10:25:48 AM
See, NFL? This is how you deal with cheaters.  You don't give 'em a slap on the wrist and let them cheat their way to more super bowls.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 20, 2020, 02:50:11 PM
Astros are cursed by themselves now

What about the Cleveland Indians?  Funny they never gets brought up as a curse. 
Since you asked...
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51nKYOYiLeL._SX322_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
https://www.amazon.com/Curse-Rocky-Colavito-Loving-Thirty-Year/dp/1598510355
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: bing101 on February 18, 2020, 04:39:39 PM
https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-a-s-cast-on-tunein-is-now-the-exclusive-home-of-all-oakland-a-s-au (https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-a-s-cast-on-tunein-is-now-the-exclusive-home-of-all-oakland-a-s-au)

https://www.thereporter.com/2020/02/18/oakland-as-fans-vent-about-team-trading-radio-broadcast-for-streaming/ (https://www.thereporter.com/2020/02/18/oakland-as-fans-vent-about-team-trading-radio-broadcast-for-streaming/)

The Oakland A's has announced that their radio broadcasts will be on Tunein for the 2020 season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on February 19, 2020, 10:01:33 AM
Astros are cursed by themselves now

What about the Cleveland Indians?  Funny they never gets brought up as a curse. 

"Ha!  Ha!".  Maybe the curse will be gone from that team since Chief Wahoo is getting retired as a team symbol according to a recent article I read. 

Seattle.  Now there's a curse.  Get the record for most wins in the regular season and they still have yet to play for an AL pennant let alone in a World Series.  In the meantime, the original MLB Seattle franchise, the Pilots, moves to Milwaukie and that city gets a championship. 

Rick
The Brewers never won a world series. Though the Bucks won a NBA championship at that time.
And the Braves won a World Series there 14 years before (but lost another the following season). Having also won in Boston and Atlanta, they're still the only MLB team to have won World Series while being established in three different cities.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on February 20, 2020, 10:28:58 AM
The postseason could see some major changes a few years from now, as MLB is considering expanding the playoff field and letting its top seeds pick who they want to face in the first round, like they do in college basketball's March Madness tournaments. Guess time will tell if it becomes a hit success or major bust.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1 on February 20, 2020, 11:09:09 AM
The postseason could see some major changes a few years from now, as MLB is considering expanding the playoff field and letting its top seeds pick who they want to face in the first round, like they do in college basketball's March Madness tournaments. Guess time will tell if it becomes a hit success or major bust.

The more teams that make the playoffs, the less the regular season matters.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: roadman on February 20, 2020, 11:23:50 AM
The postseason could see some major changes a few years from now, as MLB is considering expanding the playoff field and letting its top seeds pick who they want to face in the first round, like they do in college basketball's March Madness tournaments. Guess time will tell if it becomes a hit success or major bust.

The "everyone gets a trophy" generation strikes again.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on February 20, 2020, 11:28:09 AM
The postseason could see some major changes a few years from now, as MLB is considering expanding the playoff field and letting its top seeds pick who they want to face in the first round, like they do in college basketball's March Madness tournaments. Guess time will tell if it becomes a hit success or major bust.

The "everyone gets a trophy" generation strikes again.
Pretty much. I could see making the current play-in better but why do you need 4 wild card teams? (Hint: the answer begins with $. The more meaningful games played per season, the more profits.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on February 25, 2020, 07:38:51 AM
Which college basketball tournament allows higher-seeded teams to choose their opponents? The NCAA Tournament doesn’t, nor does the NIT, nor does any conference tournament I know of.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Bruce on May 05, 2020, 02:29:42 AM
Baseball is back. The Korean Baseball Organization will be airing on ESPN with improvised English commentary at 1 am Eastern for the next few days.

Tonight's opener is the NC Lions (from Changwon) at the Samsung Lions in Daegu.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on May 06, 2020, 09:22:00 AM
The Little League World Series has been cancelled, but there's still hope that the MLB season will start in a month or two.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ftballfan on May 08, 2020, 10:13:01 AM
The Little League World Series has been cancelled, but there's still hope that the MLB season will start in a month or two.

First time ever the LLWS has been cancelled (it started just after World War II)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: TheHighwayMan394 on May 13, 2020, 01:13:55 PM
The NL teams will likely formally agree to use a DH this season.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-players-expected-to-approve-universal-dh-for-2020-season-report-says/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on May 13, 2020, 03:22:07 PM
The NL teams will likely formally agree to use a DH this season.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-players-expected-to-approve-universal-dh-for-2020-season-report-says/

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Baseball is dead.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: US 89 on May 13, 2020, 06:46:13 PM
The NL teams will likely formally agree to use a DH this season.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-players-expected-to-approve-universal-dh-for-2020-season-report-says/

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Baseball is dead.

Hopefully this season provides an opportunity for everyone to see how lame a universal DH would be and stop complaining about how "old-fashioned" the NL is. There's so much more depth and strategy to the game when the pitcher has to bat just like any other player.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on May 14, 2020, 07:17:51 PM
The NL teams will likely formally agree to use a DH this season.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-players-expected-to-approve-universal-dh-for-2020-season-report-says/

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Baseball is dead.

Hopefully this season provides an opportunity for everyone to see how lame a universal DH would be and stop complaining about how "old-fashioned" the NL is. There's so much more depth and strategy to the game when the pitcher has to bat just like any other player.

I hope it's just for this year, but I doubt that will happen. Manfred is going to implement every faction of his version of Major League Baseball into this shortened season. It's embarrassing to the tradition and history of the game, but I'll reluctantly give it a shot if it's only just for this season to get the MLB back in some form.
I believe that the entire league will be split into 3 divisions (disregarding AL/NL) to limit travel and make it safer, so this is why the universal DH route is being taken. We'll see what happens...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on May 14, 2020, 07:29:48 PM


I hope it's just for this year, but I doubt that will happen. Manfred is going to implement every faction of his version of Major League Baseball into this shortened season. It's embarrassing to the tradition and history of the game, but I'll reluctantly give it a shot if it's only just for this season to get the MLB back in some form.
I believe that the entire league will be split into 3 divisions (disregarding AL/NL) to limit travel and make it safer, so this is why the universal DH route is being taken. We'll see what happens...

Or instead of 3 divisions, we could split it into 3 leagues: AL, NL and a 3rd one who could be called the FL for Federal League as a nod to the attempted 3rd major league in 1914-15. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_League
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 14, 2020, 08:51:28 PM
I'm a Brewer fan who has seen them play in both leagues.  Bring on the DH.  Kill pitcher batting.  There is nothing magical about it.  Relic of a bygone age.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on May 15, 2020, 01:19:40 AM
I'm a Brewer fan who has seen them play in both leagues.  Bring on the DH.  Kill pitcher batting.  There is nothing magical about it.  Relic of a bygone age.
Just like manual transmissions. *ducks*
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 15, 2020, 01:25:28 AM
I'm a Brewer fan who has seen them play in both leagues.  Bring on the DH.  Kill pitcher batting.  There is nothing magical about it.  Relic of a bygone age.
I agree as a Red Sox fan. Big Papi would not be able to play for as long in the NL. I do, however, enjoy it when pitchers hit home runs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 15, 2020, 08:10:08 AM
I'm a Brewer fan who has seen them play in both leagues.  Bring on the DH.  Kill pitcher batting.  There is nothing magical about it.  Relic of a bygone age.
I agree as a Red Sox fan. Big Papi would not be able to play for as long in the without steroids. I do, however, enjoy it when pitchers hit home runs.

Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on May 15, 2020, 01:09:21 PM
Reliance on jacking home runs is killing baseball.  Everyone's up there swinging for the fences, so the entire game is all strikeouts.  No one bunts to easily beat those radical infield shifts either.  Or, I dunno, learn to hit to the opposite field?  It's totally doable.  But no, it's all about trying to go yard because the old people running baseball think that's what young people want.
The DH is the embodiment of this fetish for home runs.  Get some over-the-hill lumox to string out his career a little more and completely torpedo the gamesmanship of when to use the bullpen just so they can push the fireworks button a couple of extra times per season.  I hate it.

I see it as catering to the lowest common denominator.  The impatient dumb chucklefuck who's like, "Derrr, baseball is boring; they should have more home runs!!"
The same people who are bored with the running game in football cuz they wanna see dudes huck the ball 50 yards down field at a time all the time.
By that logic NASCAR should have more crashes because isn't that more 'exciting' then drivers executing great passes?

The worst part of it to me is adding a DH will do nothing to make baseball more popular.  Like it was in the long-long ago.  When there was no DH at all.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: oscar on May 15, 2020, 01:20:35 PM
^ I don't mind the DH, since it offers a refuge for pitchers who can't hit, and hitters who can't field. But I like all the strategy involved in NL games without the DH. Plus, it's fun to see pitchers get hits or even home runs every once in awhile.

If we must have DH or no DH in both leagues, I'd prefer no DH. But I don't see the need to have the same rule for all MLB teams.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 15, 2020, 03:22:05 PM
Reliance on jacking home runs is killing baseball.  Everyone's up there swinging for the fences, so the entire game is all strikeouts.  No one bunts to easily beat those radical infield shifts either.  Or, I dunno, learn to hit to the opposite field?  It's totally doable.  But no, it's all about trying to go yard because the old people running baseball think that's what young people want.
The DH is the embodiment of this fetish for home runs.  Get some over-the-hill lumox to string out his career a little more and completely torpedo the gamesmanship of when to use the bullpen just so they can push the fireworks button a couple of extra times per season.  I hate it.

I see it as catering to the lowest common denominator.  The impatient dumb chucklefuck who's like, "Derrr, baseball is boring; they should have more home runs!!"
The same people who are bored with the running game in football cuz they wanna see dudes huck the ball 50 yards down field at a time all the time.
By that logic NASCAR should have more crashes because isn't that more 'exciting' then drivers executing great passes?

The worst part of it to me is adding a DH will do nothing to make baseball more popular.  Like it was in the long-long ago.  When there was no DH at all.


The team stat with the higest degree of correlation to team wins is OPS.  The stat with the second highest is Slugging.  (Which is part of OPS.)  And strike outs has only a slight negative affect.

Until you make the parks bigger, the mound higher or the ball softer, teams are simply playing the best way to statistically win the game. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on May 18, 2020, 11:03:04 AM
I just read an interesting article on how the Browns almost left St. Louis for Los Angeles after the 1941 season ended, but World War II kept that from happening, and of course, the City of Angels would have to wait 17 more years to get a team (the relocated Brooklyn Dodgers being the one). The link below also provides the alternate reality and how the major leagues would've looked today, had it actually been done:

https://www.mlb.com/news/featured/the-story-of-the-los-angeles-browns-changed-baseball-forever

Considering this setup, I find it very intriguing indeed, especially since the Giants-Dodgers rivalry would not take place on the West Coast as it does now, but along the I-35 corridor, and in metropolitan areas that feature splits in that highway (the Twin Cities and the DFW Metroplex).

AL EAST
Baltimore Orioles (1962 expansion team)
Boston Red Sox
New York Yankees
Tampa Bay Rays
Toronto Blue Jays

AL CENTRAL
Atlanta Senators (moved from Washington in 1966)
Chicago White Sox
Cleveland Indians
Detroit Tigers
Kansas City Royals

AL WEST
Houston Astros (1962 expansion team, but in AL)
Los Angeles Browns (moved from St. Louis in 1942)
San Diego Padres (1977 expansion team, but in AL; replaced NL Padres team that relocated to Washington)
San Francisco A's (moved from Philadelphia in 1948; no team in Oakland)
Seattle Pilots (1969 expansion team; with another team in Milwaukee, remains in Seattle today; Mariners don't exist)

NL EAST
Miami Marlins
Montreal Expos (1969 expansion team; with another team in Washington, remains in Montreal today)
New York Mets (1961 expansion team)
Philadelphia Phillies
Washington Stars (moved from San Diego in 1974; Nationals don't exist)

NL CENTRAL
Chicago Cubs
Cincinnati Reds
Milwaukee Braves (with another team in Atlanta, remains in Milwaukee today; Brewers don't exist)
Minnesota Giants (moved from New York in 1954; Twins don't exist)
Pittsburgh Pirates

NL WEST
Arizona Diamondbacks
Colorado Rockies
Dallas Dodgers (moved from Brooklyn in 1958; Texas Rangers don't exist)
Los Angeles Angels (1961 expansion team, but in NL)
St. Louis Cardinals

However, I would've switched the Giants and Cardinals around so that they could still play in the same division as their chief rivals.

And to expand it even further, let's take a look at the four divisions from 1969 to 1993:

AL EAST
Atlanta Senators
Baltimore Orioles
Boston Red Sox
Cleveland Indians
Detroit Tigers
New York Yankees
Toronto Blue Jays (1977)

AL WEST
Chicago White Sox
Houston Astros
Kansas City Royals
Los Angeles Browns
San Francisco A's
Seattle Pilots
San Diego Padres (1977)

NL EAST
Chicago Cubs
Montreal Expos
New York Mets
Philadelphia Phillies
Pittsburgh Pirates
St. Louis Cardinals
Florida/Miami Marlins (1993)

NL WEST
Cincinnati Reds
Dallas Dodgers
Los Angeles Angels
Milwaukee Braves
Minnesota Giants
San Diego Padres (1969)/Washington Stars
Colorado Rockies (1993)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on May 18, 2020, 02:30:13 PM
I think if the 1994 strike happened in this timeline as well, the Montreal Expos would be elsewhere now, possibly Portland, Las Vegas, the Hampton Roads or even Monterrey, Mexico. All these cities alongside Washington expressed interest in the team.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 18, 2020, 04:35:55 PM
So I took that Browns moving to Los Angeles in 1942 and played out a different plausible scenario:

1953: Braves still move to Milwaukee, as this was before the Browns moved to Baltimore so assuming that Milwaukee was still the more attractive city

1955: To give the LA Angels (renamed from Browns) a West Coast companion, the A's move to San Francisco instead of Kansas City

1958: With the West Coast already having teams, the Dodgers decide to stay put in Brooklyn and the Giants move to Kansas City

1961: Since LA already has an AL team and Baltimore doesn't, Baltimore gets the other expansion team along with Washington after the first Senators move to Minnesota.

1962: Since the Dodgers never left, Los Angeles gets an expansion team instead of NY, with Houston still getting the other. Dodgers move from Brooklyn to Queens.

1965: Braves still move to Atlanta

1968: Giants move from Kansas City to Oakland

1969: The same four cities get expansion teams, but Kansas City is in the NL with Montreal and San Diego is in the AL with Seattle

1970: Seattle moves to Milwaukee

1971: Washington moves to Texas

1977: Seattle and Toronto still get their expansion teams

1993: Colorado and Florida still get their expansion teams

1997: Tampa Bay and Arizona still get their expansion teams and Milwaukee still moves to the NL

2005: Montreal still moves to Washington

2013: Kansas City moves to the AL instead of Houston

Divisions:
AL East - NY Yankees, Boston Red Sox, Baltimore Orioles, Tampa Bay Rays, Toronto Blue Jays
AL Central - Chicago White Sox, Cleveland Indians, Detroit Tigers, Minnesota Twins, Kansas City Royals
AL West - Los Angeles Angels, Texas Rangers, San Francisco A's, San Diego Padres, Seattle Mariners

NL East - New York Dodgers, Atlanta Braves, Philadelphia Phillies, Washington Nationals, Florida Marlins
NL Central - Saint Louis Cardinals, Cincinnati Reds, Pittsburgh Pirates, Chicago Cubs, Milwaukee Brewers
NL West - Oakland Giants, Los Angeles Kings, Houston Astros, Colorado Rockies, Arizona Diamondbacks
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on May 20, 2020, 01:38:26 AM
There was also the possibility that the San Francisco Giants were going to move to Toronto after the 1975 season.  With the near re-locations of both San Diego to Washington after the 1974 season and the Giants to Toronto after 1975, the National League would have had a radically different look starting in 1976, if these re-locations did occur--along with a decision on what city would have the 2nd American League expansion team in 1977.

My take...
NL East: NY Mets, Pittsburgh Pirates, Philadelphia Phillies, Montreal Expos, Toronto Giants (or possibly some other team name), Washington Padres/Stars.
NL West: Cincinnati Reds, Los Angeles Dodgers, Atlanta Braves, Houston Astros, Chicago Cubs, St. Louis Cardinals.

As you see, the Cubs and the Cardinals would have probably been shifted to the NL West for both travel purposes and for maintaining their rivalry.

Now, which city would have the 2nd AL expansion team?  Obviously, with the Giants leaving San Francisco, that city is out of the equation.  San Diego?  Maybe--with a decent ownership, however, would the fans endure another few years of "expansion team baseball"?  If your team left after six years, probably not.  Miami, Tampa Bay?  Not sure, as these cities have forever hosted Grapefruit League spring training games and may have developed a "minor league mentality" among MLB executives and owners.  After these cities, there were not a lot more possibilities, other than maybe Phoenix.

My scenario would be that Denver may have gotten the 2nd AL expansion team--provided they built a "baseball only" ballpark.  The minor league Denver Bears, playing in the American Association, consistently drew good attendance numbers.  They did play in Mile High Stadium, though--not an ideal baseball "park".

If a park could have been built in Denver, here is how the AL may have looked in 1977...
AL East: NY Yankees, Boston Red Sox, Baltimore Orioles, Cleveland Indians, Detroit Tigers, Milwaukee Brewers, Chicago White Sox
AL West: Kansas City Royals, Oakland A's, Texas Rangers, California Angels, Minnesota Twins, Seattle Mariners, Denver Bears/Colorado _______.

The White Sox would be the logical team to be moved to the AL East.  Plus, someone can fill in the blank for Colorado because, at the time, there was an NHL team called the Colorado Rockies based there in Denver.  Or, Denver could have mirrored St. Louis and named both teams the Rockies.  Aside: this NHL Rockies team started as the expansion Kansas City Scouts on 1974, then moved to New Jersey in 1982, becoming the NJ Devils.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 20, 2020, 10:50:14 AM
The White Sox also almost moved to Tampa. I think that the Giants also almost moved there.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on May 20, 2020, 11:03:47 AM
.... Or, Denver could have mirrored St. Louis and named both teams the Rockies. ....

St. Louis didn't "name" the football Cardinals. They had already been named that for many years (pre-dating the NFL itself) when they moved to St. Louis from Chicago in 1960. They didn't change their name when they moved and the baseball team chose not to object to that.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on May 20, 2020, 11:25:49 AM
The White Sox also almost moved to Tampa. I think that the Giants also almost moved there.
I remember hearing about the White Sox relocation plans before the New Comiskey Park saved them. Had the Tampa plan gone through, I would not have been the least bit surprised, seeing that Chicago has only one team in each of the other three pro leagues (Bears, Bulls and Blackhawks); however, it would've done a great disservice to the Second City in the way that having no NL baseball for four years in New York did for that city, and it doesn't matter if the Cubs and Yankees are the more prominent teams in their respective cities.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 20, 2020, 12:18:19 PM
Despite the Cubs having a larger fan-base, the White Sox have a pretty huge following.  And weren't they the more popular team prior to the Cubs being owned by the Tribune and having all of their games broadcast on WGN?

The White Sox played a few home games in Milwaukee in the 60s to both show that Milwaukee was still a viable alternative as a baseball city, and because they drew pretty large crowds. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 20, 2020, 12:27:18 PM
Despite the Cubs having a larger fan-base, the White Sox have a pretty huge following.  And weren't they the more popular team prior to the Cubs being owned by the Tribune and having all of their games broadcast on WGN?

The White Sox played a few home games in Milwaukee in the 60s to both show that Milwaukee was still a viable alternative as a baseball city, and because they drew pretty large crowds. 

Historically, the popularity of both teams ebbed and flowed. In 1982, the Sox moved a good chunk of their schedule to a pay TV sports station. By 1984, the Cubs were the more popular team and never looked back.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 20, 2020, 01:22:27 PM
Despite the Cubs having a larger fan-base, the White Sox have a pretty huge following.  And weren't they the more popular team prior to the Cubs being owned by the Tribune and having all of their games broadcast on WGN?

The White Sox played a few home games in Milwaukee in the 60s to both show that Milwaukee was still a viable alternative as a baseball city, and because they drew pretty large crowds. 

Historically, the popularity of both teams ebbed and flowed. In 1982, the Sox moved a good chunk of their schedule to a pay TV sports station. By 1984, the Cubs were the more popular team and never looked back.
Sports teams really suffer when they don't make their games readily available. See Blackhawks.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 20, 2020, 01:51:08 PM
Despite the Cubs having a larger fan-base, the White Sox have a pretty huge following.  And weren't they the more popular team prior to the Cubs being owned by the Tribune and having all of their games broadcast on WGN?

The White Sox played a few home games in Milwaukee in the 60s to both show that Milwaukee was still a viable alternative as a baseball city, and because they drew pretty large crowds. 

Historically, the popularity of both teams ebbed and flowed. In 1982, the Sox moved a good chunk of their schedule to a pay TV sports station. By 1984, the Cubs were the more popular team and never looked back.
Sports teams really suffer when they don't make their games readily available. See Blackhawks.


That is a fairly recent phenominon.  When I was growing up, the local television only showed Brewer games when they were on the road.  MAYBE once or twice a year they would broadcast a home game.  When they had a nationally televised home game on the weekend, it was a big deal.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 20, 2020, 02:17:14 PM
Despite the Cubs having a larger fan-base, the White Sox have a pretty huge following.  And weren't they the more popular team prior to the Cubs being owned by the Tribune and having all of their games broadcast on WGN?

The White Sox played a few home games in Milwaukee in the 60s to both show that Milwaukee was still a viable alternative as a baseball city, and because they drew pretty large crowds. 

Historically, the popularity of both teams ebbed and flowed. In 1982, the Sox moved a good chunk of their schedule to a pay TV sports station. By 1984, the Cubs were the more popular team and never looked back.
Sports teams really suffer when they don't make their games readily available. See Blackhawks.


That is a fairly recent phenominon.  When I was growing up, the local television only showed Brewer games when they were on the road.  MAYBE once or twice a year they would broadcast a home game.  When they had a nationally televised home game on the weekend, it was a big deal.

Yes, but in the case of the Sox, they took something that was widely available and seriously curtailed its availability. That's going to have a much more negative impact than never having had it be widely available.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Bruce on May 20, 2020, 08:20:19 PM
If you have over 3.5 hours of spare time, the John Bois six-part series on Mariners history is a masterpiece.


Full playlist (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUXSZMIiUfFQua1LlKNMg1IOqAn15RkUT)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alex on May 21, 2020, 12:00:58 AM
The White Sox also almost moved to Tampa. I think that the Giants also almost moved there.

There were some efforts to relocate the Giants to Tampa. Those were officially dead in 1993.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on May 21, 2020, 06:23:38 AM
I have the 1992 Sports Illustrated Year in Review Book, which discussed the potential Giants re-location to the Tampa Bay area.  In the story, it was written that if the Giants did move there that "they would be playing in the God-awful Suncoast Dome" in St. Petersburg.  I still get a kick out of that line.  :D

Oh yeah, remember when MLB was seriously considering contracting.  They were attempting to contract Montreal and Minnesota and going back to 28 teams instead of 30.  Good thing that did not happen--especially for Nationals fans (looking at you 1995hoo).  Although I am a Yankees fan (since 1975), the Nationals are my favorite NL team.  And yes, I am a Redskins fan.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2020, 10:39:18 AM
I have the 1992 Sports Illustrated Year in Review Book, which discussed the potential Giants re-location to the Tampa Bay area.  In the story, it was written that if the Giants did move there that "they would be playing in the God-awful Suncoast Dome" in St. Petersburg.  I still get a kick out of that line.  :D

Oh yeah, remember when MLB was seriously considering contracting.  They were attempting to contract Montreal and Minnesota and going back to 28 teams instead of 30.  Good thing that did not happen--especially for Nationals fans (looking at you 1995hoo).  Although I am a Yankees fan (since 1975), the Nationals are my favorite NL team.  And yes, I am a Redskins fan.
Contracting? Was the league really doing that badly?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 21, 2020, 10:44:11 AM
I have the 1992 Sports Illustrated Year in Review Book, which discussed the potential Giants re-location to the Tampa Bay area.  In the story, it was written that if the Giants did move there that "they would be playing in the God-awful Suncoast Dome" in St. Petersburg.  I still get a kick out of that line.  :D

Oh yeah, remember when MLB was seriously considering contracting.  They were attempting to contract Montreal and Minnesota and going back to 28 teams instead of 30.  Good thing that did not happen--especially for Nationals fans (looking at you 1995hoo).  Although I am a Yankees fan (since 1975), the Nationals are my favorite NL team.  And yes, I am a Redskins fan.
Contracting? Was the league really doing that badly?

Yes, post strike baseball was doing terrible.  Big market teams essentially were buying championships and a couple small market clubs came close to going away.  The Twins ended up having some really good teams right around then and managed to get a new stadium.  The Expos went on life support by the MLB and ended up in Washington.  The Expos had a really good thing going in Montreal for awhile but drove all their fans away with constant tanking. 

Like it or not what got people really interested in baseball again was all the home run record chases.  For as much as some of the steroid era players are vilified they did get people watching again.  Post 9/11 there was an all time classic World Series between the Diamondbacks and Yankees which also helped. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 21, 2020, 10:49:35 AM
I have the 1992 Sports Illustrated Year in Review Book, which discussed the potential Giants re-location to the Tampa Bay area.  In the story, it was written that if the Giants did move there that "they would be playing in the God-awful Suncoast Dome" in St. Petersburg.  I still get a kick out of that line.  :D

Oh yeah, remember when MLB was seriously considering contracting.  They were attempting to contract Montreal and Minnesota and going back to 28 teams instead of 30.  Good thing that did not happen--especially for Nationals fans (looking at you 1995hoo).  Although I am a Yankees fan (since 1975), the Nationals are my favorite NL team.  And yes, I am a Redskins fan.
Contracting? Was the league really doing that badly?

Yes, post strike baseball was doing terrible.  Big market teams essentially were buying championships and a couple small market clubs came close to going away.  The Twins ended up having some really good teams right around then and managed to get a new stadium.  The Expos went on life support by the MLB and ended up in Washington.  The Expos had a really good thing going in Montreal for awhile but drove all their fans away with constant tanking. 

Like it or not what got people really interested in baseball again was all the home run record chases.  For as much as some of the steroid era players are vilified they did get people watching again.  Post 9/11 there was an all time classic World Series between the Diamondbacks and Yankees which also helped. 

There is still a big market/small market problem. Unlike the NFL, where the league owns and sells the rights to every game, and distributes the money evenly, in baseball the league only owns the rights to the postseason, Sunday night (ESPN) and Saturday afternoon/evening (FOX) games. The rights to the rest of the games are owned and sold by the individual teams. The big market teams make far, far more money in TV revenue than the small market teams. Yes, there are competitive balance draft picks and luxury tax redistributions, but under the current system the Rays are never going to be able to afford the payroll that the Yankees can. MLB needs to completely restructure to centralize the sale of and distribution of revenue from TV rights to all games. This wouldn't necessarily mean that your local team's broadcasts would change, just that the money would be distributed more equitably.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 21, 2020, 10:51:15 AM
The contraction plan was from 2001.  It was a few seasons after the steroid fueled home run chasing and well into the Yankees run, which brought as many fans back to baseball as anything.

It was all about leveraging new stadium deals in Minnesota and Montreal.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on May 21, 2020, 11:13:13 AM
There is still a big market/small market problem. Unlike the NFL, where the league owns and sells the rights to every game, and distributes the money evenly, in baseball the league only owns the rights to the postseason, Sunday night (ESPN) and Saturday afternoon/evening (FOX) games. The rights to the rest of the games are owned and sold by the individual teams. The big market teams make far, far more money in TV revenue than the small market teams. Yes, there are competitive balance draft picks and luxury tax redistributions, but under the current system the Rays are never going to be able to afford the payroll that the Yankees can. MLB needs to completely restructure to centralize the sale of and distribution of revenue from TV rights to all games. This wouldn't necessarily mean that your local team's broadcasts would change, just that the money would be distributed more equitably.

To be fair, the NFL is the only major American pro sports league in which the league controls all broadcast rights. The NHL and the NBA teams all have local broadcast deals as well (as was mentioned by someone on this forum recently in connection with the late Blackhawks' owner's intransigence as to local broadcasts of home games). It makes sense to me that centrally-controlled broadcast rights work better for the NFL than for the other leagues due to the differing schedules. NFL teams play far fewer games on fewer nights a week, with most games concentrated on a single day of the week. Baseball teams play almost every day, subject to CBA provisions about how often a team must get a day off. NHL teams play up to four nights a week (the CBA prohibits a team from playing on three consecutive days). I don't know what the NBA rule is, but it's closer to the NHL's scheduling than it is to the NFL's.

Long way of saying, the other three leagues aside from the NFL have way more games to air, so it makes sense for there to be local broadcast deals in a way the NFL does not have nor need. I'd like to see the MLB office take over the streaming rights. Right now there are three teams whose games cannot be streamed in their local broadcast areas unless the customer jumps through some technical hoops to get around MLB.tv blackouts; two of those teams are Baltimore and Washington, this because the owner up in Baltimore controls a majority stake in MASN and is afraid to allow streaming because he knows it'll show his team has far lower viewership than the Nats do. It's a pain in the arse for those of us who have dropped conventional satellite or cable TV and there's no good reason for it other than his attempt to maintain a litigating position.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 21, 2020, 11:45:03 AM
Of course local TV deals make sense.  The question is whether or not the revenue for such deals should be shared in some way.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 21, 2020, 12:17:40 PM
I have the 1992 Sports Illustrated Year in Review Book, which discussed the potential Giants re-location to the Tampa Bay area.  In the story, it was written that if the Giants did move there that "they would be playing in the God-awful Suncoast Dome" in St. Petersburg.  I still get a kick out of that line.  :D

Oh yeah, remember when MLB was seriously considering contracting.  They were attempting to contract Montreal and Minnesota and going back to 28 teams instead of 30.  Good thing that did not happen--especially for Nationals fans (looking at you 1995hoo).  Although I am a Yankees fan (since 1975), the Nationals are my favorite NL team.  And yes, I am a Redskins fan.
Contracting? Was the league really doing that badly?

Yes, post strike baseball was doing terrible.  Big market teams essentially were buying championships and a couple small market clubs came close to going away.  The Twins ended up having some really good teams right around then and managed to get a new stadium.  The Expos went on life support by the MLB and ended up in Washington.  The Expos had a really good thing going in Montreal for awhile but drove all their fans away with constant tanking. 

Like it or not what got people really interested in baseball again was all the home run record chases.  For as much as some of the steroid era players are vilified they did get people watching again.  Post 9/11 there was an all time classic World Series between the Diamondbacks and Yankees which also helped. 

There is still a big market/small market problem. Unlike the NFL, where the league owns and sells the rights to every game, and distributes the money evenly, in baseball the league only owns the rights to the postseason, Sunday night (ESPN) and Saturday afternoon/evening (FOX) games. The rights to the rest of the games are owned and sold by the individual teams. The big market teams make far, far more money in TV revenue than the small market teams. Yes, there are competitive balance draft picks and luxury tax redistributions, but under the current system the Rays are never going to be able to afford the payroll that the Yankees can. MLB needs to completely restructure to centralize the sale of and distribution of revenue from TV rights to all games. This wouldn't necessarily mean that your local team's broadcasts would change, just that the money would be distributed more equitably.

I agree, that’s been probably one of the biggest reasons the NFL took off.  Every team regardless of market has a legitimate chance of fielding a top level team.  A salary cap would help too but it would never get approved by the MLB Players Union. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2020, 12:30:42 PM
I have the 1992 Sports Illustrated Year in Review Book, which discussed the potential Giants re-location to the Tampa Bay area.  In the story, it was written that if the Giants did move there that "they would be playing in the God-awful Suncoast Dome" in St. Petersburg.  I still get a kick out of that line.  :D

Oh yeah, remember when MLB was seriously considering contracting.  They were attempting to contract Montreal and Minnesota and going back to 28 teams instead of 30.  Good thing that did not happen--especially for Nationals fans (looking at you 1995hoo).  Although I am a Yankees fan (since 1975), the Nationals are my favorite NL team.  And yes, I am a Redskins fan.
Contracting? Was the league really doing that badly?

Yes, post strike baseball was doing terrible.  Big market teams essentially were buying championships and a couple small market clubs came close to going away.  The Twins ended up having some really good teams right around then and managed to get a new stadium.  The Expos went on life support by the MLB and ended up in Washington.  The Expos had a really good thing going in Montreal for awhile but drove all their fans away with constant tanking. 

Like it or not what got people really interested in baseball again was all the home run record chases.  For as much as some of the steroid era players are vilified they did get people watching again.  Post 9/11 there was an all time classic World Series between the Diamondbacks and Yankees which also helped. 

There is still a big market/small market problem. Unlike the NFL, where the league owns and sells the rights to every game, and distributes the money evenly, in baseball the league only owns the rights to the postseason, Sunday night (ESPN) and Saturday afternoon/evening (FOX) games. The rights to the rest of the games are owned and sold by the individual teams. The big market teams make far, far more money in TV revenue than the small market teams. Yes, there are competitive balance draft picks and luxury tax redistributions, but under the current system the Rays are never going to be able to afford the payroll that the Yankees can. MLB needs to completely restructure to centralize the sale of and distribution of revenue from TV rights to all games. This wouldn't necessarily mean that your local team's broadcasts would change, just that the money would be distributed more equitably.

I agree, that’s been probably one of the biggest reasons the NFL took off.  Every team regardless of market has a legitimate chance of fielding a top level team.  A salary cap would help too but it would never get approved by the MLB Players Union.
Does the MLB have full revenue sharing?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 21, 2020, 01:31:19 PM
I have the 1992 Sports Illustrated Year in Review Book, which discussed the potential Giants re-location to the Tampa Bay area.  In the story, it was written that if the Giants did move there that "they would be playing in the God-awful Suncoast Dome" in St. Petersburg.  I still get a kick out of that line.  :D

Oh yeah, remember when MLB was seriously considering contracting.  They were attempting to contract Montreal and Minnesota and going back to 28 teams instead of 30.  Good thing that did not happen--especially for Nationals fans (looking at you 1995hoo).  Although I am a Yankees fan (since 1975), the Nationals are my favorite NL team.  And yes, I am a Redskins fan.
Contracting? Was the league really doing that badly?

Yes, post strike baseball was doing terrible.  Big market teams essentially were buying championships and a couple small market clubs came close to going away.  The Twins ended up having some really good teams right around then and managed to get a new stadium.  The Expos went on life support by the MLB and ended up in Washington.  The Expos had a really good thing going in Montreal for awhile but drove all their fans away with constant tanking. 

Like it or not what got people really interested in baseball again was all the home run record chases.  For as much as some of the steroid era players are vilified they did get people watching again.  Post 9/11 there was an all time classic World Series between the Diamondbacks and Yankees which also helped. 

There is still a big market/small market problem. Unlike the NFL, where the league owns and sells the rights to every game, and distributes the money evenly, in baseball the league only owns the rights to the postseason, Sunday night (ESPN) and Saturday afternoon/evening (FOX) games. The rights to the rest of the games are owned and sold by the individual teams. The big market teams make far, far more money in TV revenue than the small market teams. Yes, there are competitive balance draft picks and luxury tax redistributions, but under the current system the Rays are never going to be able to afford the payroll that the Yankees can. MLB needs to completely restructure to centralize the sale of and distribution of revenue from TV rights to all games. This wouldn't necessarily mean that your local team's broadcasts would change, just that the money would be distributed more equitably.

I agree, that’s been probably one of the biggest reasons the NFL took off.  Every team regardless of market has a legitimate chance of fielding a top level team.  A salary cap would help too but it would never get approved by the MLB Players Union. 


With the increasing amount of club control and luxury tax, those are acting like salary caps in many ways.  Also owners are getting out of the habit of paying for past performance.  Look at the Nationals winning the WS after declining to sign Bryce Harper.

Every current AL team has played in the ALCS since 2000.  All NL teams except the Reds, Padres and Pirates have as well.  So 27/30 teams (90%) have reached the semifinals over the last 20 years.

That's a higher percentage than the NFL and NBA.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on May 26, 2020, 09:38:41 AM
Despite the Cubs having a larger fan-base, the White Sox have a pretty huge following.  And weren't they the more popular team prior to the Cubs being owned by the Tribune and having all of their games broadcast on WGN?

The White Sox played a few home games in Milwaukee in the 60s to both show that Milwaukee was still a viable alternative as a baseball city, and because they drew pretty large crowds. 

Historically, the popularity of both teams ebbed and flowed. In 1982, the Sox moved a good chunk of their schedule to a pay TV sports station. By 1984, the Cubs were the more popular team and never looked back.

CWS became the popular team from the 05 WS to about 2010 when we finally tanked hardcore into the cellar. The Cubs took over as the more popular team probably about 2013-14ish when you started seeing signs of what they were building. So I'd say from 2013 on it's been a majority Cubs town but you could argue about 2010-12 as well.

But now the fans are getting restless after only one title in 5 years with that core. And as the Sox begin bringing up their own young core, you may see a slight shift or a renewed City Series as both teams compete for the postseason. I miss the late 2000s because the rivalry between north and south was heated as both teams were contending for playoff spots.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 26, 2020, 10:06:43 AM
Despite the Cubs having a larger fan-base, the White Sox have a pretty huge following.  And weren't they the more popular team prior to the Cubs being owned by the Tribune and having all of their games broadcast on WGN?

The White Sox played a few home games in Milwaukee in the 60s to both show that Milwaukee was still a viable alternative as a baseball city, and because they drew pretty large crowds. 

Historically, the popularity of both teams ebbed and flowed. In 1982, the Sox moved a good chunk of their schedule to a pay TV sports station. By 1984, the Cubs were the more popular team and never looked back.

CWS became the popular team from the 05 WS to about 2010 when we finally tanked hardcore into the cellar. The Cubs took over as the more popular team probably about 2013-14ish when you started seeing signs of what they were building. So I'd say from 2013 on it's been a majority Cubs town but you could argue about 2010-12 as well.

But now the fans are getting restless after only one title in 5 years with that core. And as the Sox begin bringing up their own young core, you may see a slight shift or a renewed City Series as both teams compete for the postseason. I miss the late 2000s because the rivalry between north and south was heated as both teams were contending for playoff spots.

This may be one of those hindsight is 20/20 things, but it was a huge mistake to build the new park in 1991 in the same location. Plenty of people were noting that the South Loop was an area where land was still fairly cheap but was likely to take off soon (which it did).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 26, 2020, 10:51:47 AM
Despite the Cubs having a larger fan-base, the White Sox have a pretty huge following.  And weren't they the more popular team prior to the Cubs being owned by the Tribune and having all of their games broadcast on WGN?

The White Sox played a few home games in Milwaukee in the 60s to both show that Milwaukee was still a viable alternative as a baseball city, and because they drew pretty large crowds. 

Historically, the popularity of both teams ebbed and flowed. In 1982, the Sox moved a good chunk of their schedule to a pay TV sports station. By 1984, the Cubs were the more popular team and never looked back.

CWS became the popular team from the 05 WS to about 2010 when we finally tanked hardcore into the cellar. The Cubs took over as the more popular team probably about 2013-14ish when you started seeing signs of what they were building. So I'd say from 2013 on it's been a majority Cubs town but you could argue about 2010-12 as well.

But now the fans are getting restless after only one title in 5 years with that core. And as the Sox begin bringing up their own young core, you may see a slight shift or a renewed City Series as both teams compete for the postseason. I miss the late 2000s because the rivalry between north and south was heated as both teams were contending for playoff spots.


Really?  I never once thought in the late 2000s that Chicago was turning into a Sox town.  The Cubs still outdrew the Sox attendance wise throughout that entire time, and my guess is that the TV and radio numbers were similar.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 27, 2020, 12:30:04 PM
MLB owners proposal provides an overall cut from the pro-rata salaries that the Union already agreed to, but in a clear attempt to dividde the players, is giving percentage-wise the largest cuts to those players who make the most.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29224973/sources-mlb-proposal-includes-pay-cuts-highest-paid-players

No chance I would agree to this if I were a player.  And if I'm one of the higher paid ones, I'd skip the season if this is approved.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on May 29, 2020, 09:32:22 AM
Here's another sign that we won't have any minor-league baseball this year:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/report-hundreds-of-minor-leaguers-released-season-in-peril/ar-BB14JiBU?ocid=msedgntp

As much as it hurts having to hear about MLB's ongoing labor war, this is even worse.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on June 05, 2020, 11:28:17 AM
The 2020 MLB season is pretty much dead, thanks to this latest bit of bad news:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/mlbpa-mlbs-demand-for-additional-concessions-was-resoundingly-rejected/ar-BB153z6r?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: TravelingBethelite on June 05, 2020, 11:46:15 AM
The 2020 MLB season is pretty much dead, thanks to this latest bit of bad news:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/mlbpa-mlbs-demand-for-additional-concessions-was-resoundingly-rejected/ar-BB153z6r?ocid=msedgntp

If it had taken this long to negotiate, the season was doomed from the start. Even before the negotiations began, I thought it wasn't worth the effort and that they should just call it a wash.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tchafe1978 on June 05, 2020, 04:27:26 PM
The players union and the owners still haven't learned their lesson from 1994, I see. Neither side is willing to compromise.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 05, 2020, 04:47:58 PM
The players union and the owners still haven't learned their lesson from 1994, I see. Neither side is willing to compromise.

Neither seems to get that they'll be the odd man out and really piss off a lot of the sports viewing public.  While I understand not wanting to be short changed on pay I also find the argument that baseball players are in greater danger than players in other leagues to be total BS.  Hockey, Soccer, and Basketball has far more close physical contact than Baseball does.

I hate to make this comparison but there are a ton of people in the general public working for a lot less than a prorated professional sports salary than face way more exposure.  It seems like weak sauce that the parties can't come together to at least get SOME season going when everyone else in the sports world is doing that.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 05, 2020, 05:04:04 PM
Probably because NBA owners are paying most of the salaries.  They withheld 25% in May and June, but it is slated to go back up later in the year once the playoffs get rolling.  I believe the NHL players were not paid their final paycheck but the NHL will do so provided they move forward with playoffs.

But in baseball, the owners want to play less games and pay the players for less than the prorated games they play.

IMO, this is all about breaking the union.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 05, 2020, 05:09:54 PM
Probably because NBA owners are paying most of the salaries.  They withheld 25% in May and June, but it is slated to go back up later in the year once the playoffs get rolling.  I believe the NHL players were not paid their final paycheck but the NHL will do so provided they move forward with playoffs.

But in baseball, the owners want to play less games and pay the players for less than the prorated games they play.

IMO, this is all about breaking the union.

Either way, it is a absolute horrible look for Baseball in general regardless of what either party wants.  Nobody will come out the back side of no season cleanly and the sport will probably only lose more ground to it's competitors.  People might not really remember but 1994 post-strike MLB is just a shadow of what it once was.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on June 05, 2020, 10:41:01 PM
I remember.
That strike totally disillusioned me.  My baseball fandom crashed and took a decade to recover.  I may have only been a kid, but I was hurt by it.
I didn't really come back to baseball until I moved to Milwaukee as a drinking-age adult.  It helped that the Brewers had a long overdue resurgence in the late 00's, but cancelling the World Series turned me off of the sport for a long time.  Many of my peers did not come back, as indicated by the data.

It sucks, too because baseball was riding high in the early 90's.  Star Trek even speculated that there would be a dominate MLB team in London in the early 21st Century.  But the strike torpedoed it all.  Suddenly, baseball wasn't as cool.  I watched it crash among my peers and myself.  If they're not going to play this year at all because of more bullcrap about money (instead of the virus) then they will see yet another slump in interest among young people like I saw in the 90's.  And they never fully recovered from the aftermath of 30 years ago, in my assessment.

This was a baseball country up until 1994.  The strike seeded the mantle of "America's Sport" to football.  I don't know what the data says about that, but my assessment is what it felt like as a kid in the 90's.  The last gasp to me is when TBS stopped airing Braves games.  I wasn't a fan of them (in fact I inherited resentment from my father because they left Milwaukee) but at least I could spend a lazy summer afternoon watching baseball on basic cable in the era before every team got their own network.  We can bemoan the exclusive broadcast deals, but the fact was, interest had waned and there were not the ratings for TBS or WGN to air baseball compared to reruns of Friends or whatever.

So with that perspective, I see MLB diligently sawing off its nose to spite its face and the consequences will be another decade-long dip in public interest.  No wussy DH changes are going to fix that.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 06, 2020, 08:36:21 AM
Baseball had long been the second sport in the United States behind football prior to the mid 90s.  There were a lot of people worried about the television ratings and attendance long before the strike.  I would say that the NFL became a more dominant force sometime in the late 70s or early 80s.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 08:46:01 AM
Baseball had long been the second sport in the United States behind football prior to the mid 90s.  There were a lot of people worried about the television ratings and attendance long before the strike.  I would say that the NFL became a more dominant force sometime in the late 70s or early 80s.

To that end, I’m curious as to how close it is to losing ground to the NBA in viewership and revenue per game?   It certainly feels like in the circles I’m in that baseball is still the more important sport out west but I can’t imagine that sentiment is the same the further East one goes. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on June 06, 2020, 10:27:23 AM
Also to fútbol - I have been seeing an amazing surge of interest in European and Mexican football over at least the past decade or so, with the ease of on-line access to the Premier League, Bundesliga, La Liga, etc and their games being readily available on various TV feeds in North America.  And by the nature of these federations with their team promotion and relegation, there are no dangers of labor-related season stoppages, teams packing up and moving to different markets, etc.

The game itself is very accessible to the younger crowd, especially, in that the playing rules are so dirt simple, everyone on the field has multitudes of opportunities to meaningfully handle the ball, the constant physical activity is a great way to blow off steam and they have the great latitude to be able to develop their own distinct playing styles and a deep, lifelong love of the game.

The Baseball Gods must be on guard for this.   :poke:

Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 11:36:40 AM
Baseball had long been the second sport in the United States behind football prior to the mid 90s.  There were a lot of people worried about the television ratings and attendance long before the strike.  I would say that the NFL became a more dominant force sometime in the late 70s or early 80s.

To that end, I’m curious as to how close it is to losing ground to the NBA in viewership and revenue per game?   It certainly feels like in the circles I’m in that baseball is still the more important sport out west but I can’t imagine that sentiment is the same the further East one goes.
I here so much more about the NBA and it's players than the MLB and it's not even close. In the media at least, NBA seems to rival NFL.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 06, 2020, 12:18:57 PM
Baseball had long been the second sport in the United States behind football prior to the mid 90s.  There were a lot of people worried about the television ratings and attendance long before the strike.  I would say that the NFL became a more dominant force sometime in the late 70s or early 80s.

To that end, I’m curious as to how close it is to losing ground to the NBA in viewership and revenue per game?   It certainly feels like in the circles I’m in that baseball is still the more important sport out west but I can’t imagine that sentiment is the same the further East one goes.
I here so much more about the NBA and it's players than the MLB and it's not even close. In the media at least, NBA seems to rival NFL.

That is because ESPN has decided to cover the NBA more than MLB. Outside of Sunday Night Baseball, MLB does not matter much to ESPN these days.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: webny99 on June 06, 2020, 12:22:44 PM
Yeah, it sure seems like NFL>NBA>MLB>NHL.

I'm not really a huge sports follower but it seems like the NBA has been on a upward trajectory, it certainly hasn't always been more popular than MLB, even going back 15-20 years it probably wasn't.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 12:43:23 PM
Baseball had long been the second sport in the United States behind football prior to the mid 90s.  There were a lot of people worried about the television ratings and attendance long before the strike.  I would say that the NFL became a more dominant force sometime in the late 70s or early 80s.

To that end, I’m curious as to how close it is to losing ground to the NBA in viewership and revenue per game?   It certainly feels like in the circles I’m in that baseball is still the more important sport out west but I can’t imagine that sentiment is the same the further East one goes.
I here so much more about the NBA and it's players than the MLB and it's not even close. In the media at least, NBA seems to rival NFL.

That is because ESPN has decided to cover the NBA more than MLB. Outside of Sunday Night Baseball, MLB does not matter much to ESPN these days.
Also MLB players are just so much less famous than NBA players, everyone knows Lebron, not everyone knows Mike Trout.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 06, 2020, 01:11:42 PM
The NBA has the youngest viewership of the major sports by a bunch. MLB has the oldest. Not surprising to see why the differences on how it’s covered.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 06, 2020, 08:07:38 PM
Yeah, it sure seems like NFL>NBA>MLB>NHL.

How long before it became NFL>NBA>NHL>MLB? And where we put MLS in this?

I still have a grudge against Donald Fehr for his idea to strike in 1994, the years where the Expos had a chance to go far, what a coincidence.  :angry:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 08:13:35 PM
Yeah, it sure seems like NFL>NBA>MLB>NHL.

How long before it became NFL>NBA>NHL>MLB? And where we put MLS in this?

I still have a grudge against Donald Fehr for his idea to strike in 1994, the years where the Expos had a chance to go far, what a coincidence.  :angry:

As much as I love hockey it will never surpass baseball in the American sports scene.  The only reason I probably even got into hockey was simply due to the fact that it was mainstream in Detroit and Canada.  Hockey definitely isn’t mainstream like baseball is out west and in the south.  I would say soccer is starting to catch hockey on the national level in terms of popularity. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 11:19:45 PM
Yeah, it sure seems like NFL>NBA>MLB>NHL.

How long before it became NFL>NBA>NHL>MLB? And where we put MLS in this?

I still have a grudge against Donald Fehr for his idea to strike in 1994, the years where the Expos had a chance to go far, what a coincidence.  :angry:

As much as I love hockey it will never surpass baseball in the American sports scene.  The only reason I probably even got into hockey was simply due to the fact that it was mainstream in Detroit and Canada.  Hockey definitely isn’t mainstream like baseball is out west and in the south.  I would say soccer is starting to catch hockey on the national level in terms of popularity.
I'd put NHL above MLS simply because the NHL in the premier hockey league in the world.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 11:22:31 PM
Yeah, it sure seems like NFL>NBA>MLB>NHL.

How long before it became NFL>NBA>NHL>MLB? And where we put MLS in this?

I still have a grudge against Donald Fehr for his idea to strike in 1994, the years where the Expos had a chance to go far, what a coincidence.  :angry:

As much as I love hockey it will never surpass baseball in the American sports scene.  The only reason I probably even got into hockey was simply due to the fact that it was mainstream in Detroit and Canada.  Hockey definitely isn’t mainstream like baseball is out west and in the south.  I would say soccer is starting to catch hockey on the national level in terms of popularity.
I'd put NHL above MLS simply because the NHL in the premier hockey league in the world.

I don’t disagree, to me the MLS is minor league soccer.  But that doesn’t change the fact that the MLS does have a pretty big following in some markets.  Orlando City had a massive following when I lived in the city as an example. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 11:24:43 PM
Yeah, it sure seems like NFL>NBA>MLB>NHL.

How long before it became NFL>NBA>NHL>MLB? And where we put MLS in this?

I still have a grudge against Donald Fehr for his idea to strike in 1994, the years where the Expos had a chance to go far, what a coincidence.  :angry:

As much as I love hockey it will never surpass baseball in the American sports scene.  The only reason I probably even got into hockey was simply due to the fact that it was mainstream in Detroit and Canada.  Hockey definitely isn’t mainstream like baseball is out west and in the south.  I would say soccer is starting to catch hockey on the national level in terms of popularity.
I'd put NHL above MLS simply because the NHL in the premier hockey league in the world.

I don’t disagree, to me the MLS is minor league soccer.  But that doesn’t change the fact that the MLS does have a pretty big following in some markets.  Orlando City had a massive following when I lived in the city as an example.
I feel like a lot of the newer MLS teams have a bigger following, but nobody cares about the MLS up here in New England.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 11:27:03 PM
Yeah, it sure seems like NFL>NBA>MLB>NHL.

How long before it became NFL>NBA>NHL>MLB? And where we put MLS in this?

I still have a grudge against Donald Fehr for his idea to strike in 1994, the years where the Expos had a chance to go far, what a coincidence.  :angry:

As much as I love hockey it will never surpass baseball in the American sports scene.  The only reason I probably even got into hockey was simply due to the fact that it was mainstream in Detroit and Canada.  Hockey definitely isn’t mainstream like baseball is out west and in the south.  I would say soccer is starting to catch hockey on the national level in terms of popularity.
I'd put NHL above MLS simply because the NHL in the premier hockey league in the world.

I don’t disagree, to me the MLS is minor league soccer.  But that doesn’t change the fact that the MLS does have a pretty big following in some markets.  Orlando City had a massive following when I lived in the city as an example.
I feel like a lot of the newer MLS teams have a bigger following, but nobody cares about the MLS up here in New England.

Yes, the counter to that is that nobody cares about hockey outside the Midwest and Northeast (aside Seattle maybe).   
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 11:28:47 PM
Yeah, it sure seems like NFL>NBA>MLB>NHL.

How long before it became NFL>NBA>NHL>MLB? And where we put MLS in this?

I still have a grudge against Donald Fehr for his idea to strike in 1994, the years where the Expos had a chance to go far, what a coincidence.  :angry:

As much as I love hockey it will never surpass baseball in the American sports scene.  The only reason I probably even got into hockey was simply due to the fact that it was mainstream in Detroit and Canada.  Hockey definitely isn’t mainstream like baseball is out west and in the south.  I would say soccer is starting to catch hockey on the national level in terms of popularity.
I'd put NHL above MLS simply because the NHL in the premier hockey league in the world.

I don’t disagree, to me the MLS is minor league soccer.  But that doesn’t change the fact that the MLS does have a pretty big following in some markets.  Orlando City had a massive following when I lived in the city as an example.
I feel like a lot of the newer MLS teams have a bigger following, but nobody cares about the MLS up here in New England.

Yes, the counter to that is that nobody cares about hockey outside the Midwest and Northeast (aside Seattle maybe).
I think that the Tampa Bay Lightning and the Nashville Predators have a decent following.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 11:31:58 PM
Yeah, it sure seems like NFL>NBA>MLB>NHL.

How long before it became NFL>NBA>NHL>MLB? And where we put MLS in this?

I still have a grudge against Donald Fehr for his idea to strike in 1994, the years where the Expos had a chance to go far, what a coincidence.  :angry:

As much as I love hockey it will never surpass baseball in the American sports scene.  The only reason I probably even got into hockey was simply due to the fact that it was mainstream in Detroit and Canada.  Hockey definitely isn’t mainstream like baseball is out west and in the south.  I would say soccer is starting to catch hockey on the national level in terms of popularity.
I'd put NHL above MLS simply because the NHL in the premier hockey league in the world.

I don’t disagree, to me the MLS is minor league soccer.  But that doesn’t change the fact that the MLS does have a pretty big following in some markets.  Orlando City had a massive following when I lived in the city as an example.
I feel like a lot of the newer MLS teams have a bigger following, but nobody cares about the MLS up here in New England.

Yes, the counter to that is that nobody cares about hockey outside the Midwest and Northeast (aside Seattle maybe).
I think that the Tampa Bay Lightning and the Nashville Predators have a decent following.

Sometimes with the Lightning, I’ve always found getting a ticket even when they are good to be extremely easy.  I’ve never been a Predators game in Nashville. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Duke87 on June 07, 2020, 01:15:13 AM
Baseball had long been the second sport in the United States behind football prior to the mid 90s.  There were a lot of people worried about the television ratings and attendance long before the strike.  I would say that the NFL became a more dominant force sometime in the late 70s or early 80s.

Nnn so... according to Gallup (https://news.gallup.com/poll/4735/sports.aspx), football surpassed baseball the favorite sport of the largest number of Americans as early as the 1960s. But this just compares the sports themselves.

It's important to realize that while with baseball the general public's fandom is all about MLB, with football the College version of it is just as popular as the professional version currently. And while college football and the NFL have been existing on roughly equal terms so far in the 21st century (per Gallup data in the link above), historically this was not the case. The popularity of the NFL grew considerably over the course of the 1990s, at the beginning of the decade college football was decidedly more popular than the professional version.

This makes sense too because of accessibility. Pro sports teams tend to be located in the country's largest cities in order to maximize their viewership market, but this leaves large swaths of America fairly far from the nearest major league team. College teams are able to fill this niche by being located where the school is, rather than where the big city is.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on June 07, 2020, 06:36:11 AM
The players union and the owners still haven't learned their lesson from 1994, I see. Neither side is willing to compromise.

Neither seems to get that they'll be the odd man out and really piss off a lot of the sports viewing public.  While I understand not wanting to be short changed on pay I also find the argument that baseball players are in greater danger than players in other leagues to be total BS.  Hockey, Soccer, and Basketball has far more close physical contact than Baseball does.

I hate to make this comparison but there are a ton of people in the general public working for a lot less than a prorated professional sports salary than face way more exposure.  It seems like weak sauce that the parties can't come together to at least get SOME season going when everyone else in the sports world is doing that.
ESPN has been telecasting Korean Baseball for nearly three weeks (Karl Ravech and Eduardo Perez doing play-by-play and analyst from their homes or separate ESPN offices for all I know).  No fans at the games and there are cheerleaders with masks on top of the dugouts.  I haven't heard of any player contracting COVID-19 yet.

If they do the same things that NASCAR is doing (temperature checks, masks, social distancing, sanitizing) with each team, MLB should not have a problem.  Besides, if all protocol is followed and a player still contracts COVID-19, then they more than likely contracted it outside the ballpark.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 07, 2020, 09:08:02 AM

As much as I love hockey it will never surpass baseball in the American sports scene.  The only reason I probably even got into hockey was simply due to the fact that it was mainstream in Detroit and Canada. 

I think it's also mainstream in Chicago and Minnesota. The St. Louis Blues also have a good share of fans in Missouri and now they have a Stanley Cup championship. ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/voX3DUI.jpg)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 07, 2020, 09:36:42 AM

As much as I love hockey it will never surpass baseball in the American sports scene.  The only reason I probably even got into hockey was simply due to the fact that it was mainstream in Detroit and Canada. 

I think it's also mainstream in Chicago and Minnesota. The St. Louis Blues also have a good share of fans in Missouri and now they have a Stanley Cup championship. ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/voX3DUI.jpg)

Very much mainstream in Chicago and Minnesota.  Black Hawks tickets were tough to get and I used to play pick up hockey with my cousins in Minnesota like you would pick up basketball anywhere else.  The Blues always had a decent following, but they almost always have a decent team. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on June 07, 2020, 10:56:45 AM
I would say the I-70 corridor is the dividing line between hockey lovers and those that could care less (DC, Pittsburgh, Columbus, St. Louis, and Colorado being right on the line more or less).  Anything north of there is hockey territory, with exclaves in Nashville and Tampa-St. Pete.  MLS is a distant 5th, and is more of a niche sport in hockey areas, with the inverse being true in non-hockey areas; my friend in Houston wonders about the obsession with hockey, and hardly considers it a sport, while in New England (and where I am in CT, despite losing a franchise), it is probably 3rd ahead of the NBA (NFL and MLB being a close 1-2).     
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 07, 2020, 04:38:24 PM
I would say the I-70 corridor is the dividing line between hockey lovers and those that could care less (DC, Pittsburgh, Columbus, St. Louis, and Colorado being right on the line more or less).  Anything north of there is hockey territory, with exclaves in Nashville and Tampa-St. Pete.  MLS is a distant 5th, and is more of a niche sport in hockey areas, with the inverse being true in non-hockey areas; my friend in Houston wonders about the obsession with hockey, and hardly considers it a sport, while in New England (and where I am in CT, despite losing a franchise), it is probably 3rd ahead of the NBA (NFL and MLB being a close 1-2).     

And to think there was a time when Houston got an hockey team with the WHA Aeros when Gordie Howe did his return on the game.

Back to baseball, if those players aren't satisfied enough, they should create their own league and it'll be fun to see how they'll feel when the shoe is in the other foot.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on June 08, 2020, 07:59:06 AM
Ten years ago tonight, Stephen Strasburg made his major league debut by striking out 14 Pirates (and walking none) in seven innings. I was at that game. Great night. I was at the Nationals' first home opener in 2005, and as much fun as that was, I'd argue Strasburg's debut was the more electric night because it was about something specific to that team. In 2005, you could have put Charlie Brown's team out there and people would have gone nuts that we finally had baseball again.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 08, 2020, 09:02:30 AM
Back to baseball, if those players aren't satisfied enough, they should create their own league and it'll be fun to see how they'll feel when the shoe is in the other foot.

Satisfied enough?  You realize the owners are offering to pay them less per game than they would normally right?  They are pretty much the only major league that is doing that.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ftballfan on June 08, 2020, 10:21:23 AM
Yeah, it sure seems like NFL>NBA>MLB>NHL.

I'm not really a huge sports follower but it seems like the NBA has been on a upward trajectory, it certainly hasn't always been more popular than MLB, even going back 15-20 years it probably wasn't.

In Michigan, it seems to go NFL>MLB>NHL>NBA. The Lions, Tigers, and Red Wings have decent-sized radio networks. The Pistons, on the other hand, have the smallest radio network (and for years didn't have any radio affiliates north of Grand Rapids and the Saginaw area)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 11, 2020, 08:40:15 AM
For those thinking the players are being greedy by wanting to be paid the full pro-rated amount of their salaries, read this...

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/59421/veteran-presence-thats-rich/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 18, 2020, 01:39:46 PM
From an alleged memo from the PA to players today.  The union letter included other details in its summary of the meeting:

**Spring training would begin no later than June 28 for position players.
**The season would consist of 60 games, beginning July 19 or 20 and ending Sept. 27.
**Expanded postseason in 2020 and 2021, with a minimum players’ pool of $25 million.
**100 percent prorated salaries (60 games would amount to about 37 percent of a 162-game season and salary)
**Designated hitter in both leagues in 2020 and 2021.
**Opt-out rights for high-risk individuals, as defined by the CDC.
**MLB would direct $10 million for social justice initiatives.
**Minimum’ player commitments for broadcast elements, including the miking of players.
**Corporate advertising on uniforms in 2020 and 2021.
**Enhanced housing allowances for spring training and regular season.
**Mutual waiver of potential grievances under the March Agreement.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ftballfan on June 20, 2020, 11:49:33 PM
If the season happens, I would almost expect the Blue Jays to have to play their home games somewhere in the US (such as their spring training complex in Florida or at their AAA team's ballpark, which I think is in Buffalo)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 21, 2020, 09:35:49 AM
If the season happens, I would almost expect the Blue Jays to have to play their home games somewhere in the US (such as their spring training complex in Florida or at their AAA team's ballpark, which I think is in Buffalo)

Yeah, the AAA Jays' farm team is currently the Buffalo Bisons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Bisons

And ironically, Buffalo attempted in the past to attract the MLB.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-07-10/they-built-it-but-the-mlb-never-came
https://www.city-data.com/forum/buffalo-area/3029212-buffalo-almost-had-major-league-baseball.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20200430081420/https://buffalonews.com/2020/03/30/buffalo-sports-greatest-what-ifs-what-if-buffalo-awarded-major-league-baseball-team-news-opinion-fantasy-2020/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 22, 2020, 11:35:06 AM
If the season happens, I would almost expect the Blue Jays to have to play their home games somewhere in the US (such as their spring training complex in Florida or at their AAA team's ballpark, which I think is in Buffalo)

Yeah, the AAA Jays' farm team is currently the Buffalo Bisons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Bisons

And ironically, Buffalo attempted in the past to attract the MLB.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-07-10/they-built-it-but-the-mlb-never-came
https://www.city-data.com/forum/buffalo-area/3029212-buffalo-almost-had-major-league-baseball.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20200430081420/https://buffalonews.com/2020/03/30/buffalo-sports-greatest-what-ifs-what-if-buffalo-awarded-major-league-baseball-team-news-opinion-fantasy-2020/


Those were the days where expansion played out so much more publically.  The MLB and NFL both expanded at about the same time, and the list of cities, finalists, etc. were all very public and the drama played out over time.

Anyway, a franchise in Buffalo would have been a terrible idea.  Denver was a slam dunk.  Miami has had its issues but it was a much better location than Buffalo would have been.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 22, 2020, 03:00:09 PM
Those were the days where expansion played out so much more publically.  The MLB and NFL both expanded at about the same time, and the list of cities, finalists, etc. were all very public and the drama played out over time.

Anyway, a franchise in Buffalo would have been a terrible idea.  Denver was a slam dunk.  Miami has had its issues but it was a much better location than Buffalo would have been.

I guess the Buffalo curse is too strong, I wonder if that curse have an Achille's Heel?  There's even a book who mentionned it. https://books.google.ca/books?id=fsilCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA62&lpg=PA62&dq=buffalo+baseball+curse&source=bl&ots=Z7keyxN7xB&sig=ACfU3U096t1awOys4ZJ_3J7bcT49kKxxPA&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjxg7jCi5bqAhXvQjABHaPaCHIQ6AEwF3oECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=buffalo%20baseball%20curse&f=false
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on June 24, 2020, 11:02:28 AM
Well, the Bills lost four straight Super Bowls, and didn't the Sabres lose in the Stanley Cup Finals too? And the less said about the Braves-turned-Clippers, the better.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 24, 2020, 01:54:53 PM
Well, the Bills lost four straight Super Bowls, and didn't the Sabres lose in the Stanley Cup Finals too? And the less said about the Braves-turned-Clippers, the better.

Yes, the Sabres lost the finals too twice (1975 and 1999) as well, one by a controversial goal done by Brett Hull in the 1999 finals.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on June 30, 2020, 09:34:15 PM
Count the minor league season as a casualty of the pandemic:

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/29389693/baseball-minor-leagues-cancel-2020-seasons-due-coronavirus
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ftballfan on June 30, 2020, 11:05:53 PM
Count the minor league season as a casualty of the pandemic:

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/29389693/baseball-minor-leagues-cancel-2020-seasons-due-coronavirus
Surprised it took this long to officially call it off. It had all but officially been called off a few weeks ago, if not earlier
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 01:08:07 PM
The Brewers' second stringers are training here in the Appleton, WI area (Class 'A' Brewers' affiliate Wisconsin Timber Rattlers' facilities).  The team itself is otherwise using their facilities for such things as showing outdoor movies, picnics, etc.

 :no:

Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Duke87 on July 05, 2020, 12:48:13 AM
I briefly watched a live baseball game in person today.

It was our local little league, which has begun play this weekend, but hey, it's baseball.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: MisterSG1 on July 05, 2020, 11:13:47 PM
The Blue Jays got the go ahead to have training camp in Toronto. Which appears to allow them to skip the national 14 day quarantine.

I’m not entirely against this if the players are confined to the SkyDome Hotel, which is an advantage of this scenario as the SkyDome has a hotel attatched to it so the players never have to leave.

I would only agree to having Toronto be used in the season if the players on both teams are confined to the skydome hotel for their entire time in Canada, transport from airport will be directly to hotel and they cannot leave for any reason whatsoever.

You may think I’m being tough, but it‘S fair to consider when you realize, Ontario with a population of around 14.5 million has consistently for the last two weeks, have almost all days with sub 200 new cases.

Many in this city are angry of the prospect of them playing here. This is in contrast to the NHL’s hub cities model, in which players would have to clear the quarantine before playing any games presumably, and wouldn’t require players to constantly hop over the border.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 06, 2020, 06:55:06 PM
MLB schedule just released. Teams play 10 games against each division opponent, but it's not a 5-5 home-away split, it's either 7-3 or 6-4. Teams play either 6, 4 or 3 games against the teams in their geographic counterpart division in the other league.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 06, 2020, 07:39:47 PM
MLB schedule just released. Teams play 10 games against each division opponent, but it's not a 5-5 home-away split, it's either 7-3 or 6-4. Teams play either 6, 4 or 3 games against the teams in their geographic counterpart division in the other league.


That seems strange.  Why not just play five game series?  It limits travel.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 06, 2020, 07:42:54 PM
MLB schedule just released. Teams play 10 games against each division opponent, but it's not a 5-5 home-away split, it's either 7-3 or 6-4. Teams play either 6, 4 or 3 games against the teams in their geographic counterpart division in the other league.


That seems strange.  Why not just play five game series?  It limits travel.

With 15-team leagues, some teams are always playing interleague series, and unless those are also all 5 games, it would make scheduling impossible.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 06, 2020, 07:54:13 PM
MLB schedule just released. Teams play 10 games against each division opponent, but it's not a 5-5 home-away split, it's either 7-3 or 6-4. Teams play either 6, 4 or 3 games against the teams in their geographic counterpart division in the other league.


That seems strange.  Why not just play five game series?  It limits travel.

With 15-team leagues, some teams are always playing interleague series, and unless those are also all 5 games, it would make scheduling impossible.


Excellent point.  Didn't think it all through obviously.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on July 06, 2020, 09:06:40 PM
MLB schedule just released. Teams play 10 games against each division opponent, but it's not a 5-5 home-away split, it's either 7-3 or 6-4. Teams play either 6, 4 or 3 games against the teams in their geographic counterpart division in the other league.


That seems strange.  Why not just play five game series?  It limits travel.

With 15-team leagues, some teams are always playing interleague series, and unless those are also all 5 games, it would make scheduling impossible.

They're effectively playing in a 10 team league this year though
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 09, 2020, 06:24:49 PM
In what seems to be very odd timing, or a statement that baseball will go on, the MLB release the 2021 schedule today.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 09, 2020, 06:27:48 PM
In what seems to be very odd timing, or a statement that baseball will go on, the MLB release the 2021 schedule today.

Can't sell tickets for this season, so trying to capitalize on the anticipation of the current season by having tickets to sell for next season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 09, 2020, 07:03:24 PM
In what seems to be very odd timing, or a statement that baseball will go on, the MLB release the 2021 schedule today.

Can't sell tickets for this season, so trying to capitalize on the anticipation of the current season by having tickets to sell for next season.

Maybe...if tickets go on sale very soon. Most teams don't sell individual game tickets until late February or early March.

Teams will sell season tickets at virtually anytime, but I seriously doubt you're going to get many people to commit to a multi-game commitment in this current environment.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 09, 2020, 07:17:23 PM
In what seems to be very odd timing, or a statement that baseball will go on, the MLB release the 2021 schedule today.

Can't sell tickets for this season, so trying to capitalize on the anticipation of the current season by having tickets to sell for next season.

Maybe...if tickets go on sale very soon. Most teams don't sell individual game tickets until late February or early March.

Teams will sell season tickets at virtually anytime, but I seriously doubt you're going to get many people to commit to a multi-game commitment in this current environment.

Getting any people to commit is better than none. Also, most season ticket holders have been given the option to get a refund for 2020 or apply their credit to 2021, and perhaps the schedule is an attempt to nudge them towards not taking the cash.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: bing101 on July 15, 2020, 11:43:36 PM
https://pagesix.com/2020/07/15/jennifer-lopezs-mets-bid-could-bring-out-teams-glam-side/?_ga=2.42069349.1901266709.1594870501-1315934973.1594870501
Speculation over who gets the Mets come into play.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 18, 2020, 06:18:53 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29488579/blue-jays-not-allowed-play-games-canada

Blue Jays not going to be able to play in Canada. Buffalo a poor option due to lighting. Florida a poor option due to being a hotspot.

Don't know the other northeastern AAA parks enough to know if any of them would be options.

Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on July 18, 2020, 06:47:01 PM
Put them in Charlotte or Nashville to see how the local market reacts to a major league team being th-...wait, never mind.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 18, 2020, 06:56:44 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29488579/blue-jays-not-allowed-play-games-canada

Blue Jays not going to be able to play in Canada. Buffalo a poor option due to lighting. Florida a poor option due to being a hotspot.

Don't know the other northeastern AAA parks enough to know if any of them would be options.

But yet the NHL gets an exemption, what a shock...  This might not be apparent to some people from the Sunbelt States but the NHL is a pretty good analog in popularity to the NFL in Canada.  Baseball doesn’t really register much of a blip on the radar and only got any real attention when the Blue Jays were winning World Series. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 18, 2020, 07:16:40 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29488579/blue-jays-not-allowed-play-games-canada

Blue Jays not going to be able to play in Canada. Buffalo a poor option due to lighting. Florida a poor option due to being a hotspot.

Don't know the other northeastern AAA parks enough to know if any of them would be options.

But yet the NHL gets an exemption, what a shock...  This might not be apparent to some people from the Sunbelt States but the NHL is a pretty good analog in popularity to the NFL in Canada.  Baseball doesn’t really register much of a blip on the radar and only got any real attention when the Blue Jays were winning World Series. 

The NHL has to play the entire rest of the season in Canada so there will be no travel back and forth across the border. Blue Jays can't play at home without having both them and their home opponents crossing the border.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 18, 2020, 07:30:50 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29488579/blue-jays-not-allowed-play-games-canada

Blue Jays not going to be able to play in Canada. Buffalo a poor option due to lighting. Florida a poor option due to being a hotspot.

Don't know the other northeastern AAA parks enough to know if any of them would be options.

But yet the NHL gets an exemption, what a shock...  This might not be apparent to some people from the Sunbelt States but the NHL is a pretty good analog in popularity to the NFL in Canada.  Baseball doesn’t really register much of a blip on the radar and only got any real attention when the Blue Jays were winning World Series. 

The NHL has to play the entire rest of the season in Canada so there will be no travel back and forth across the border. Blue Jays can't play at home without having both them and their home opponents crossing the border.

Yes, but they are still allowing non-Canadian players to travel there on an exemption.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 18, 2020, 07:35:44 PM
So with the vastly shorten season has there been any talk about shortening pitching rotation down from five to four or three?  I would assume that in such a short year a four man rotation might be feasible but three might be pushing it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 18, 2020, 09:02:15 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29488579/blue-jays-not-allowed-play-games-canada

Blue Jays not going to be able to play in Canada. Buffalo a poor option due to lighting. Florida a poor option due to being a hotspot.

Don't know the other northeastern AAA parks enough to know if any of them would be options.

But yet the NHL gets an exemption, what a shock...  This might not be apparent to some people from the Sunbelt States but the NHL is a pretty good analog in popularity to the NFL in Canada.  Baseball doesn’t really register much of a blip on the radar and only got any real attention when the Blue Jays were winning World Series. 

The NHL has to play the entire rest of the season in Canada so there will be no travel back and forth across the border. Blue Jays can't play at home without having both them and their home opponents crossing the border.

Yes, but they are still allowing non-Canadian players to travel there on an exemption.

Right but once they get there they have to stay until their season is finished. They can't go back and forth.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 18, 2020, 09:07:25 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29488579/blue-jays-not-allowed-play-games-canada

Blue Jays not going to be able to play in Canada. Buffalo a poor option due to lighting. Florida a poor option due to being a hotspot.

Don't know the other northeastern AAA parks enough to know if any of them would be options.
It can probably be any stadium that can hold them since no fans will be attending anyway.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 18, 2020, 09:11:00 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29488579/blue-jays-not-allowed-play-games-canada

Blue Jays not going to be able to play in Canada. Buffalo a poor option due to lighting. Florida a poor option due to being a hotspot.

Don't know the other northeastern AAA parks enough to know if any of them would be options.
It can probably be any stadium that can hold them since no fans will be attending anyway.

The ESPN story says that their are objections to Buffalo due to poor lighting. I have no idea if that's specific to Buffalo or common to other AAA parks in the area.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on July 18, 2020, 09:25:41 PM
There’s a solution to the poor lighting in Buffalo, but it’s not the best for ratings: day games.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on July 18, 2020, 10:14:46 PM
Could they put in portable temporary lighting, like they do in college football when there is a night game?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on July 18, 2020, 10:27:50 PM
Could they put in portable temporary lighting, like they do in college football when there is a night game?
I'm sure Buffalo plays night games. It seems ilke the most likely scenario.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 19, 2020, 08:33:55 AM
There’s a solution to the poor lighting in Buffalo, but it’s not the best for ratings: day games.

Which wouldn't be popular with anybody.

It not only has to be a place with decent lighting, but one that can accomodate a full television production.  If MLB knew this earlier, they probably would have just put them in New York and had them rotate home stadiums between Yankee Stadium and Citi Field.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 19, 2020, 09:18:37 AM
There’s a solution to the poor lighting in Buffalo, but it’s not the best for ratings: day games.

Which wouldn't be popular with anybody.

It not only has to be a place with decent lighting, but one that can accomodate a full television production.  If MLB knew this earlier, they probably would have just put them in New York and had them rotate home stadiums between Yankee Stadium and Citi Field.

I wouldn't be surprised if they have contingency plans. A lot of what they're doing is based on the hope that the teams can play in home stadiums, so I would imagine nearly every team had some for a contingency plan just in case.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tchafe1978 on July 19, 2020, 03:32:20 PM
So with the vastly shorten season has there been any talk about shortening pitching rotation down from five to four or three?  I would assume that in such a short year a four man rotation might be feasible but three might be pushing it.

That would be up to  each individual team to set their rotation to what works best for them. The five man rotation isn't like a set in stone rule, it's just become the norm over the years as what seems to work best over the course of the season. I'm sure a team like the Brewers that has used starters to go only 4 or 5 innings most games the past couple seasons might be able to get by with a 4 man rotation, especially if a 5th starter doesn't establish himself. That would be 5th started could then be used out of the bullpen. A 3 man rotation seems like a stretch, though, as there are limited off days.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 20, 2020, 09:39:53 AM
It's looking like Toronto will possibly play their home games here in Pittsburgh @ PNC Park.
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/07/20/report-blue-jays-considering-pnc-park/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on July 20, 2020, 12:36:03 PM
Well it was nice to watch some baseball last night. Crosstown series will actually have some meaning as both Chicago teams are in the same division
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 20, 2020, 12:38:37 PM
Well it was nice to watch some baseball last night. Crosstown series will actually have some meaning as both Chicago teams are in the same division

Sox beat the Cubs 6-3 with their #8 starter vs Cubs' #1 starter.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 20, 2020, 09:30:37 PM
It's looking like Toronto will possibly play their home games here in Pittsburgh @ PNC Park.
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/07/20/report-blue-jays-considering-pnc-park/
To have the Blue Jays in Pittsburgh would be supercool! And according to this story (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29503114/toronto-blue-jays-talking-teams-sharing-park-canada-ban), the Pirates are run by a couple of former Jays execs, which would also be an added bonus.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 20, 2020, 10:29:43 PM
One of the fun things about pre-season baseball are the teams can do pretty much whatever they want. In tonight's Phils-Yankees game, the Phillies wanted to keep their starting pitcher out there even though there were 3 outs. He gave up a home run and it counted. And the result of the game...a 2-2 tie. While ties aren't terribly unusual when in pre-season, usually the broadcast team is told if they will end the game or continue on...

https://www.thegoodphight.com/2020/7/20/21332155/everythings-made-up-and-the-points-dont-matter-phillies-2-yankees-2
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gonealookin on July 21, 2020, 12:40:17 AM
I hope there's a learning curve with the fake crowd noise, because in the game I watched tonight (A's-Giants) the "crowd" didn't react the way a real crowd would.  I found that mostly distracting.  We'll see how that evolves/improves over the next couple weeks, but my initial thought is I'd rather just hear the announcers and the crack of the bat.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 21, 2020, 08:06:05 AM
One of the fun things about pre-season baseball are the teams can do pretty much whatever they want. In tonight's Phils-Yankees game, the Phillies wanted to keep their starting pitcher out there even though there were 3 outs. He gave up a home run and it counted. And the result of the game...a 2-2 tie. While ties aren't terribly unusual when in pre-season, usually the broadcast team is told if they will end the game or continue on...

https://www.thegoodphight.com/2020/7/20/21332155/everythings-made-up-and-the-points-dont-matter-phillies-2-yankees-2

Similarly, after the White Sox' 8th batter of the 1st inning against the Cubs, the inning was ended with 2 outs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: nexus73 on July 21, 2020, 10:20:47 AM
Why watch a bastardized version of sports when you can play a really good game!  I got involved with Forge Of Empires last March.  102 days later I am still having a blast with it.  Most people who like roads are going to have a decent level of intelligence.  FoE will fit well with them. 

Yes, you can build roads in FoE!

Rick
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on July 21, 2020, 06:25:14 PM
MLB Network was reporting that PNC Park would not be able to host all the Blue Jays home games -- would host 21 games, with 9 games to be played elsewhere. Cleveland or Philly would be the "easy" answer alternate sites, if the schedule and the Indians and Phillies would accomate

I find it odd that Pittsburgh is in the running. I thought the whole idea of basically "geographical" divisions was to keep all the East teams within their own bubble, Central teams in theirs, and West teams in theirs. PNC would be a crossover for East and Central

MLB Network also mentioned the AAA Charlotte Knights (White Sox affiliate) park in North Carolina is under consideration. I would normally say it would be good for Charlotte to experiment with a MLB team, but with no fans, who knows

Also am curious if there would be any differences in TV Rights for Blue Jays games. Does Rogers SportsNet have a full-time US-based crew? Would the Blue Jays contract out the use of another RSNs crew, like AT&T Pittsburgh, assuming games do go to PNC? Also what about "home" TV rights in whatever park the games are played in?

I would have thought MLB would have planned for this contingency when making the shortened schedule, already
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 21, 2020, 06:32:46 PM
MLB Network was reporting that PNC Park would not be able to host all the Blue Jays home games -- would host 21 games, with 9 games to be played elsewhere. Cleveland or Philly would be the "easy" answer alternate sites, if the schedule and the Indians and Phillies would accomate

I find it odd that Pittsburgh is in the running. I thought the whole idea of basically "geographical" divisions was to keep all the East teams within their own bubble, Central teams in theirs, and West teams in theirs. PNC would be a crossover for East and Central

MLB Network also mentioned the AAA Charlotte Knights (White Sox affiliate) park in North Carolina is under consideration. I would normally say it would be good for Charlotte to experiment with a MLB team, but with no fans, who knows

Also am curious if there would be any differences in TV Rights for Blue Jays games. Does Rogers SportsNet have a full-time US-based crew? Would the Blue Jays contract out the use of another RSNs crew, like AT&T Pittsburgh, assuming games do go to PNC? Also what about "home" TV rights in whatever park the games are played in?

I would have thought MLB would have planned for this contingency when making the shortened schedule, already

While Pittsburgh plays in the Central divisions it isn't all that far from the eastern teams, and has the added benefit of not being the home park of any of the Jays' opponents where they would be playing home games in their opponent's home stadium.

I've never been to Charlotte but I know that their park is newer so maybe it's more suited than the other AAA parks being mentioned.

I would imagine that wherever the games are played, the TV rights would still work the same as if the team was in Toronto. As for the TV crew, I imagine that the camera operators would have to be based in whatever city they're playing in, and the announcers still based in Toronto. I know that the White Sox TV announcers are doing all the away games from their home stadium's TV booth.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 21, 2020, 06:55:39 PM
I believe their are connections between the front offices of both teams and that’s why Pittsburgh is in the running.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on July 21, 2020, 07:00:00 PM
I believe their are connections between the front offices of both teams and that’s why Pittsburgh is in the running.
It is Major League Baseball. Are there any 2 Front Offices that do NOT have connections?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 21, 2020, 08:12:38 PM
I believe their are connections between the front offices of both teams and that’s why Pittsburgh is in the running.
It is Major League Baseball. Are there any 2 Front Offices that do NOT have connections?


Yes.  But anyway, the current GM and assistant GM in Pittsburgh were both in the front office in Toronto.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on July 22, 2020, 03:22:05 PM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/pennsylvania-department-health-wont-allow-blue-jays-play-pnc-park/

The Blue Jays will NOT be making PNC Park their temporary home away from home this season

The search is back on

I’m thinking a AAA park is getting more and more likely, but that is a gut feeling. Either that or the Blue Jays don’t have a “home” stadium and play all games on the road at the opponent’s stadium. The only difference for “home” games will be the Jays batting last and white pants instead of gray pants
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tdindy88 on July 22, 2020, 03:44:40 PM
I'm guessing sites like Rochester or Syracuse are no good? I know Buffalo's been ruled out. Also, if the Blue Jays were to play on the road all season long but have several games be designated the "home team" would that also flip the order of the national anthems, American first and then Canadian?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on July 22, 2020, 03:57:10 PM
Unless Rogers SportsNet usually airs the anthems as part of their broadcast, I doubt the Canadian anthem will even be played

Baseball isn’t usually like a Hockey game, where the singing of the anthem(s) is part of the experience. At least I don’t think so, anyway. And with no fans in the stands, why?

I’m sure MLB has a procedure for whether anthem(s) need done this season
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gonealookin on July 22, 2020, 05:00:56 PM
If I were deciding I'd put the Blue Jays in Chicago, if that city and the state allow it.  Give them a single home city, puts them in major league parks and only adds an extra hour or so to some flights.  I went through the schedules and have them playing 13 games in the White Sox park and 17 in Wrigley Field, without having to split the games in any single series between the two parks and with only one schedule adjustment, a swap of home weekends with the Tampa Bay Rays.

An issue with doing something similar in New York would be that the Yankees would get 7 "road games" in Yankee Stadium.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on July 22, 2020, 05:08:09 PM
Part of the issue that Chicago raises (and I think this is the issue that PA DoH raised with Pittsburgh) is, it violates the “zones”/regionalized schedule, as it would then make Wrigley and Guaranteed Rate Fields cross-over points for the “East” and “Central” zone teams

If I wanted to lay a wager, I’d bet the Blue Jays play with no home stadium, and play exclusively at their opponent’s parks
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 22, 2020, 05:24:47 PM
I think they ultimately end up in Charlotte.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on July 22, 2020, 05:32:35 PM
I think either Charlotte or somewhere in New York.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on July 22, 2020, 06:00:36 PM
Unless Rogers SportsNet usually airs the anthems as part of their broadcast, I doubt the Canadian anthem will even be played

Baseball isn’t usually like a Hockey game, where the singing of the anthem(s) is part of the experience. At least I don’t think so, anyway. And with no fans in the stands, why?

I’m sure MLB has a procedure for whether anthem(s) need done this season

Not sure what you mean by the text in boldface. Every baseball game I've ever attended, major league or minor league, has included the customary national anthem performance beforehand (including "O Canada" if a Canadian team is playing or, as was the case last July 6, when the Nationals do an Expos throwback day, and for that game "O Canada" was performed bilingually in English and French per the custom in Montreal). The custom for two-anthem games is that the home team's anthem comes last.

With all that said, there doesn't seem to be much reason for the anthems with no fans in the stands unless—and this might be a legitimate concern—there's a desire to maintain as close to normal a routine as possible. A few years ago when Osama bin Laden was killed, I suggested to Ted Leonsis that at the next Capitals game after that they should perform the third verse of the Star-Spangled Banner instead of the customary first verse, but the team decided against that because they thought it would be strange for the players and they didn't want to do something different during the playoffs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on July 22, 2020, 07:36:04 PM
At a Hockey game, there are more fan "traditions" if you will regarding the anthems.

Canadians sing along, usually at least partially in French. The Blackhawks and the cheering, shooting, and howling during the anthem. The Stars, I think, emphasize "stars" almost as a chant, when "stars" appears in the lyrics

And, of course, most/all hockey teams have a dedicated Soloist, often a male Tenor, as the Voice of the anthem(s). And yes teams can and do have a female Soloist as the anthem singer. It is a much more integrated part of the team's identity, their specific Soloist in their arena

Baseball, football, basketball, etc yes all have the anthem, but (imho) it is often sold as more of a PR stunt to support the military and give a local or national Recording Artist some time to promote their voice and talents for an upcoming show in that market or a Single or Album release

That is my point regarding the anthem being "different" at a hockey game
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: MisterSG1 on July 23, 2020, 01:11:19 AM
Part of it moreso is the timing of the anthems, at least at games I've been to.

In NBA and MLB, the national anthems (as is the case in Toronto) happen around 10 minutes before the tipoff or first pitch respectively.

In the NHL, as well as CFL and MLS, the anthem(s) happen immediately before the game in question.

I think the NFL does it the same way but I'm not sure, I've only ever been to one NFL game actually in an NFL stadium so I can't remember.


As for O Canada, usually if someone wants to put in French lyrics anywhere in English Canada, they switch to French at the "Car ton bras" portion of the lyrics, and switch back to English at "God keep our land". While at Canadiens games, the anthem would start in French, and switch to English at "God keep our land", I assume this was the case at Expos games as well but I'm unsure.


I assume if the anthem is to be televised, which it probably won't, the approach I've seen when such contests featured solely US clubs playing in Canada, such as the short lived International Bowl, Bills in Toronto, or even the 2012 MLS Cup, they would sing/play The Star Spangled Banner followed by O Canada. I believe this is how it's done at Spring Training games at Dunedin but in the opposite order, the Blue Jays may be a "Canadian team", but the game is being played on US soil, even if it is a "home game" for the Jays.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 23, 2020, 08:17:17 AM
Part of the issue that Chicago raises (and I think this is the issue that PA DoH raised with Pittsburgh) is, it violates the “zones”/regionalized schedule, as it would then make Wrigley and Guaranteed Rate Fields cross-over points for the “East” and “Central” zone teams

If I wanted to lay a wager, I’d bet the Blue Jays play with no home stadium, and play exclusively at their opponent’s parks


That is why I thought New York would be a better option.

But I think you're right.  I think they are on the road for the season.  The players don't want a AAA park.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on July 23, 2020, 09:13:37 AM
Regarding the anthems, I know the Nats plan to have Bob McDonald (one of the Caps' anthem singers) perform "God Bless America" during the seventh inning tonight, so I assume that means the anthem(s) will be performed as well.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 23, 2020, 10:40:02 AM
Now the Blue Jays are in talks with their fierce rivals to play in Camden Yards, and this may as well be their last-ditch option:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29512573/blue-jays-players-told-baltimore-option-holding-games
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 23, 2020, 11:21:48 AM
Now the Blue Jays are in talks with their fierce rivals to play in Camden Yards, and this may as well be their last-ditch option:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29512573/blue-jays-players-told-baltimore-option-holding-games
They could also play in Hartford.

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/sports/hartford-mayor-to-toronto-blue-jays-hartfords-ready/2306504/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on July 24, 2020, 12:59:29 PM
It’s Buffalo after all.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29530941/source-blue-jays-play-home-games-buffalo
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on July 24, 2020, 01:10:58 PM
It’s Buffalo after all.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29530941/source-blue-jays-play-home-games-buffalo

If and it's a big "if", the Jays won the World Series this year at "home" in Buffalo. Will we read as champion title "Buffalo Blue Jays World Series champions"? That would help Buffalo to end a very long sports drought. ;) 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on July 24, 2020, 04:06:14 PM
Happy Opening Day everyone, go Sox
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on July 24, 2020, 04:17:09 PM
Happy Opening Day everyone, go Sox
Go Cubs Go!

Also, Redbirds suck

Really, I'd be fine watching a Mariners-Bay Rays game right now (yes, I know they won't play in the regular season, due to the Regional scheduling format)

Been a longer than normal wait for the boys of summer to get back on the diamond. 2020, what a year, so far
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 24, 2020, 04:22:47 PM
Happy Opening Day everyone, go Sox
Yes. Go RED Sox.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on July 24, 2020, 08:36:57 PM
Happy Opening Day everyone, go Sox
Yes. Go RED Sox.
Go AWAY.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on July 24, 2020, 10:27:43 PM
Happy Opening Day everyone, go Sox
Yes. Go RED Sox.

Enjoying this 13-2 thumping of the Little Sisters of the Poor, Baltimore Chapter. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on July 24, 2020, 10:59:52 PM
I'm surprised the first choice for the Jay's wasn't Buffalo right away.  It's not just proximity; they have a decent stadium and they're already Toronto's AAA affiliate, so that just seems like a good fit.  And there's no juggling of schedules with another MLB team.

After all, Buffalo was one of the cities with their hat in the ring for expansion in the early 90's.  (They might have succeeded if it was 50 years earlier. :P )

It was good to hear Bob Ueker's voice again in play-by-play.  Not the start I wanted, but Hendricks had good shit today.

At least the championship the Dodgers bought this year will have an asterisk because of the tiny season. :-/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: DandyDan on July 25, 2020, 06:24:56 AM
I'm surprised the first choice for the Jay's wasn't Buffalo right away.  It's not just proximity; they have a decent stadium and they're already Toronto's AAA affiliate, so that just seems like a good fit.  And there's no juggling of schedules with another MLB team.

After all, Buffalo was one of the cities with their hat in the ring for expansion in the early 90's.  (They might have succeeded if it was 50 years earlier. :P )

It was good to hear Bob Ueker's voice again in play-by-play.  Not the start I wanted, but Hendricks had good shit today.

At least the championship the Dodgers bought this year will have an asterisk because of the tiny season. :-/
One thing I read about that is that the lights there are substandard. Not sure why they just couldn't invest in good lights.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on July 25, 2020, 12:14:23 PM
Happy Opening Day everyone, go Sox
Yes. Go WHITE Sox.

Fixed your typo
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on July 26, 2020, 10:15:51 AM
I'm surprised the first choice for the Jay's wasn't Buffalo right away.  It's not just proximity; they have a decent stadium and they're already Toronto's AAA affiliate, so that just seems like a good fit.  And there's no juggling of schedules with another MLB team.

After all, Buffalo was one of the cities with their hat in the ring for expansion in the early 90's.  (They might have succeeded if it was 50 years earlier. :P )

Buffalo did have their toes in the major leagues earlier with many teams who shared the Bisons name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Bisons_(disambiguation)  And there was the Bisons Blues in the short-lived Federal League. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Blues
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on July 26, 2020, 09:54:24 PM
Happy Opening Day everyone, go Sox
Yes. Go RED Sox.

Enjoying this 13-2 thumping of the Little Sisters of the Poor, Baltimore Chapter. 
One out of three ain’t bad :-P
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 27, 2020, 08:05:27 AM
There were no sweeps in the first weekend. Every team is either 2-1, 2-2, or 1-2. With 56-57 games to go, no team is more than 1 game out of their division lead.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 27, 2020, 09:58:23 AM
There is little chance the season gets completed.  Look what is happening with the Marlins right now.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 27, 2020, 11:00:02 AM
At least Fox isn't playing the NFL theme anymore. It never felt right with MLB, and I'm glad the old theme is back.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 27, 2020, 11:01:47 AM
There is little chance the season gets completed.  Look what is happening with the Marlins right now.

If you remember back in March, the cancellation of sporting events was what got the ball rolling that led to statewide stay at home orders. Not impossible that we are headed there again.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on July 27, 2020, 11:13:19 AM
Marlins home postponed tonight.  Yankees/Phillies game tonight also postponed as the visitors clubhouse is infected.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on July 27, 2020, 03:53:31 PM
Ugh. Verlander is already hurt. At least we have McCullers back.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 27, 2020, 04:03:39 PM
Ugh. Verlander is already hurt. At least we have McCullers back.

All that trash can banging is a strain on the arm.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on July 27, 2020, 04:14:36 PM
Tomorrow's Marlins games postponed.  The game at Philly status is unclear.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jmacswimmer on July 27, 2020, 04:14:45 PM
I watched part of SF-LAD on Saturday, and I was very amused/impressed by Dodger Stadium's effort to setup cardboard fans behind home plate and around the stadium.  A home run by the Dodgers towards the end of the game actually nailed a cutout's head in the upper decks :-D

FOX then switched me over to NYY-WSH following that game, and I found myself disappointed that Nationals Park did not make the same effort with cardboard fans.  But hearing Joe Buck's voice again for the first time in months was oddly reassuring, I must say.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 11:24:28 AM
Just disband the Marlins and move ahead with 29 teams. Not like they matter.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on July 28, 2020, 11:30:47 AM
I watched part of SF-LAD on Saturday, and I was very amused/impressed by Dodger Stadium's effort to setup cardboard fans behind home plate and around the stadium.  A home run by the Dodgers towards the end of the game actually nailed a cutout's head in the upper decks :-D

FOX then switched me over to NYY-WSH following that game, and I found myself disappointed that Nationals Park did not make the same effort with cardboard fans.  But hearing Joe Buck's voice again for the first time in months was oddly reassuring, I must say.

Bear in mind one very big difference between those two venues is that Chavez Ravine doesn't get hit with thunderstorms the way the DC area does. Cardboard fans wouldn't last all that long during the peak of summer around here (if you saw last Thursday night's game, you'll understand why).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1 on July 28, 2020, 11:33:26 AM
Just disband the Marlins and move ahead with 29 teams. Not like they matter.

There are problems with having an odd number of teams.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 11:34:36 AM
Just disband the Marlins and move ahead with 29 teams. Not like they matter.

There are problems with having an odd number of teams.
Seemed to work with the NBA between 1995 and 2004.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jmacswimmer on July 28, 2020, 11:41:21 AM
I watched part of SF-LAD on Saturday, and I was very amused/impressed by Dodger Stadium's effort to setup cardboard fans behind home plate and around the stadium.  A home run by the Dodgers towards the end of the game actually nailed a cutout's head in the upper decks :-D

FOX then switched me over to NYY-WSH following that game, and I found myself disappointed that Nationals Park did not make the same effort with cardboard fans.  But hearing Joe Buck's voice again for the first time in months was oddly reassuring, I must say.

Bear in mind one very big difference between those two venues is that Chavez Ravine doesn't get hit with thunderstorms the way the DC area does. Cardboard fans wouldn't last all that long during the peak of summer around here (if you saw last Thursday night's game, you'll understand why).

A fair point I hadn't considered - in fact, the first game I attended at Nationals Park a couple years back wound up being completely rained out!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 28, 2020, 12:38:37 PM
Just disband the Marlins and move ahead with 29 teams. Not like they matter.

There are problems with having an odd number of teams.
Seemed to work with the NBA between 1995 and 2004.


NBA doesn't play six games a week in three game series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 29, 2020, 10:37:15 AM
Just disband the Marlins and move ahead with 29 teams. Not like they matter.

There are problems with having an odd number of teams.
Seemed to work with the NBA between 1995 and 2004.
The NFL had 31 teams from 1999 to 2001, and the NHL has had 31 teams since 2017.

As for the Marlins situation, I can't say I'm surprised. Hopefully, the Rays are being more careful about it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ftballfan on July 29, 2020, 09:16:10 PM
Just disband the Marlins and move ahead with 29 teams. Not like they matter.

There are problems with having an odd number of teams.
Seemed to work with the NBA between 1995 and 2004.
The NFL had 31 teams from 1999 to 2001, and the NHL has had 31 teams since 2017.

As for the Marlins situation, I can't say I'm surprised. Hopefully, the Rays are being more careful about it.
Not sure if this is 100% true, but I did see that a few Marlins may have gone to a nightclub (maskless, of course) in Atlanta after their exhibition game. If that is true, the player or players that went to the nightclub should be heavily fined and/or suspended for conduct detrimental to baseball. Also, the Marlins team should have to forfeit the games that have been PPD if they're not able to be rescheduled.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on July 29, 2020, 10:05:41 PM
Just disband the Marlins and move ahead with 29 teams. Not like they matter.

There are problems with having an odd number of teams.
Seemed to work with the NBA between 1995 and 2004.
The NFL had 31 teams from 1999 to 2001, and the NHL has had 31 teams since 2017.

As for the Marlins situation, I can't say I'm surprised. Hopefully, the Rays are being more careful about it.

The NHL also has 21 teams throughout the 1980s and the NBA had 23. When the NBA expanded late in that decade, they added four teams, then added two more (Toronto and Vancouver) in the mid-1990s. So the NBA had an odd number for a long time. They only went to 30 when Charlotte got a new team after the original Hornets moved.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on July 29, 2020, 11:09:12 PM
Not sure if this is 100% true, but I did see that a few Marlins may have gone to a nightclub (maskless, of course) in Atlanta after their exhibition game. If that is true, the player or players that went to the nightclub should be heavily fined and/or suspended for conduct detrimental to baseball. Also, the Marlins team should have to forfeit the games that have been PPD if they're not able to be rescheduled.
I’m not an attorney, and certainly not a labor attorney, but having been around Unions enough in my life to this point, there is no way your employer can punish you for your actions on your time. The MLBPA would have a field day with that. There cannot be any fines/suspensions for going to a nightclub when the players are “off the clock.” And that begins by assuming this nightclub rumor is true to begin with, which who knows?

Now, what there could be disciplinary action for is playing a game while testing positive instead of having quaranteend those individuals. A “players only” vote to decide to play instead of quaranteen...THAT is what either the Marlins and/or MLB need to take some form of corrective action to ensure that is NOT the way this is handled going forward

The forfeit, is a non-starter. Competitive-balance issues especially for teams in the “East” that had those forfeit games vs those that had to be played against the Marlins, and even for teams in the “Central” and “West.” With only a 60 game schedule and 8 teams per league making the MLB Playoffs, the beneficiaries of those forfeits get a pretty major leg up on their competition
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 29, 2020, 11:39:34 PM
Just disband the Marlins and move ahead with 29 teams. Not like they matter.

There are problems with having an odd number of teams.
Seemed to work with the NBA between 1995 and 2004.
The NFL had 31 teams from 1999 to 2001, and the NHL has had 31 teams since 2017.

As for the Marlins situation, I can't say I'm surprised. Hopefully, the Rays are being more careful about it.

The NHL also has 21 teams throughout the 1980s and the NBA had 23. When the NBA expanded late in that decade, they added four teams, then added two more (Toronto and Vancouver) in the mid-1990s. So the NBA had an odd number for a long time. They only went to 30 when Charlotte got a new team after the original Hornets moved.

Baseball is showing how an odd number of team does NOT work. Along with the Marlins being out, the Phillies have been left out to dry and won't be playing till Saturday (and supposedly none of the Phils have tested positive for COVID over the weekend)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on July 29, 2020, 11:47:03 PM
Just disband the Marlins and move ahead with 29 teams. Not like they matter.

There are problems with having an odd number of teams.
Seemed to work with the NBA between 1995 and 2004.
The NFL had 31 teams from 1999 to 2001, and the NHL has had 31 teams since 2017.

As for the Marlins situation, I can't say I'm surprised. Hopefully, the Rays are being more careful about it.

The NHL also has 21 teams throughout the 1980s and the NBA had 23. When the NBA expanded late in that decade, they added four teams, then added two more (Toronto and Vancouver) in the mid-1990s. So the NBA had an odd number for a long time. They only went to 30 when Charlotte got a new team after the original Hornets moved.

Baseball is showing how an odd number of team does NOT work. Along with the Marlins being out, the Phillies have been left out to dry and won't be playing till Saturday (and supposedly none of the Phils have tested positive for COVID over the weekend)
I was under the impression MLB was pushing back Phillies games, since it was known the Marlins played the Sunday game against the Phillies with players who tested positive and played anyway

MLB is using an “abundance of caution” before putting the Phillies back on the field, as COVID is known to potentially have an incubation period

Assuming no positive tests by Saturday morning on the Phils, they will play their Saturday doubleheader. At least that is the current plan
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on July 30, 2020, 07:39:31 AM
Just disband the Marlins and move ahead with 29 teams. Not like they matter.

There are problems with having an odd number of teams.
Seemed to work with the NBA between 1995 and 2004.
The NFL had 31 teams from 1999 to 2001, and the NHL has had 31 teams since 2017.

As for the Marlins situation, I can't say I'm surprised. Hopefully, the Rays are being more careful about it.

The NHL also has 21 teams throughout the 1980s and the NBA had 23. When the NBA expanded late in that decade, they added four teams, then added two more (Toronto and Vancouver) in the mid-1990s. So the NBA had an odd number for a long time. They only went to 30 when Charlotte got a new team after the original Hornets moved.

Baseball is showing how an odd number of team does NOT work. Along with the Marlins being out, the Phillies have been left out to dry and won't be playing till Saturday (and supposedly none of the Phils have tested positive for COVID over the weekend)

I was just responding to the comment about an odd number of teams. What makes baseball different from the other sports is that baseball teams play almost every day as long as they have at least one day off at least every 21 days, per the CBA. In hockey, for example, the CBA says no team can play three days in a row (the minor leagues are different).

This is why, until the annoying expansion of interleague baseball, both leagues had even numbers of teams (14 in the AL and 12 in the NL when I was growing up). It was impractical to make the schedule work otherwise because one team in each league would have had to have a day off every day and it would have been extremely difficult to manage a full 162 games, even had they played more doubleheaders. Under the current schedule, there’s an interleague game pretty much every day of the season. Going to an odd number of teams would cause the same problem as before even with expanded interleague scheduling.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 30, 2020, 09:29:24 AM
Just disband the Marlins and move ahead with 29 teams. Not like they matter.

There are problems with having an odd number of teams.
Seemed to work with the NBA between 1995 and 2004.
The NFL had 31 teams from 1999 to 2001, and the NHL has had 31 teams since 2017.

As for the Marlins situation, I can't say I'm surprised. Hopefully, the Rays are being more careful about it.
Not sure if this is 100% true, but I did see that a few Marlins may have gone to a nightclub (maskless, of course) in Atlanta after their exhibition game. If that is true, the player or players that went to the nightclub should be heavily fined and/or suspended for conduct detrimental to baseball. Also, the Marlins team should have to forfeit the games that have been PPD if they're not able to be rescheduled.

I doubt they could be fined or suspended unless it is within the bounds of the CBA with the Union.  I am pretty sure players can go to clubs, etc. because I heard an interview with the Brewers' manager talking about the conversations he has had with players about being responsible, etc.

Forfeiting games is something that I doubt is covered by the CBA.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on July 31, 2020, 12:14:55 PM
Two Cardinals players positive and their game against the Brewers today has been postponed. That means 20% of MLB's teams are idle today. The Nats will only play twice in the next week, assuming no more postponements (their three games against the Marlins this weekend were postponed and they had scheduled off days Monday and Thursday).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: STLmapboy on July 31, 2020, 01:04:00 PM
Two Cardinals players positive and their game against the Brewers today has been postponed. That means 20% of MLB's teams are idle today. The Nats will only play twice in the next week, assuming no more postponements (their three games against the Marlins this weekend were postponed and they had scheduled off days Monday and Thursday).

Shit. I actually enjoyed the home openers against the Pirates.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on August 20, 2020, 11:54:44 AM
What the heck is going on with the Astros. The amount of injuries they’ve sustained is incredible. All of the below players are injured:

Verlander, Alvarez, Brantley, Urquidy, Osuna, Devenski, and Diaz are all injured, not to mention tons of minor leaguers.

Yet they are still on a 7-game winning streak playing with tons of subs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on August 20, 2020, 08:01:49 PM
What the heck is going on with the Astros. The amount of injuries they’ve sustained is justified by cheating for multiple years.
FTFY
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 20, 2020, 08:17:43 PM
We're 5 weeks away from the end of the season and with the expanded 16-team playoff on the horizon, there are already 8 teams with > 90% probability of making the playoffs. Yes, having home field advantage for 3 of 5 or 4 of 7 games is nice, but not valuable enough to risk injury to key players. As these teams start to move closer to 100%, I predict that we are going to see a lot of teams resting key players the last couple weeks of the season.

In future years, if MLB is going to keep an expanded playoffs, whether it be 12, 14 or 16 teams, I'd like to see MLB create more incentive for earning higher seeds. Give the higher seed 4 home games in best-of-five series with a 2-1-2 format and 5 home games in a best-of-seven series with a 2-2-3 format. Give teams a real incentive to put their best lineups out all the way to the end of the season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on August 20, 2020, 08:33:53 PM
I like the idea, if an expanded “Wild Card” round sticks around beyond this year, that it be a 3 game series, but the higher seed wins the series with just 1 win, whereas the lower seed has to win 2 games to win the series

I’m not sure I like the idea of continuing that to the Divisional Series, but the idea could even work there. Higher seed only needs to win 2 to advance, lower seed needs 3 wins to advance

I don’t like that idea at the LCS round or the WS
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on August 21, 2020, 12:49:11 AM
I like the idea, if an expanded “Wild Card” round sticks around beyond this year, that it be a 3 game series, but the higher seed wins the series with just 1 win, whereas the lower seed has to win 2 games to win the series
You know that would be a 2 game series, right?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on August 21, 2020, 12:51:48 AM
I like the idea, if an expanded “Wild Card” round sticks around beyond this year, that it be a 3 game series, but the higher seed wins the series with just 1 win, whereas the lower seed has to win 2 games to win the series
You know that would be a 2 game series, right?
Sorry, I had a brain fart. I know now...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on August 21, 2020, 01:56:36 AM
White Sox whooped the Tigers 9-0, nice.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on August 21, 2020, 05:43:44 AM
White Sox whooped the Tigers 9-0, nice.
Tigers weren’t too mighty, eh?  ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on August 21, 2020, 09:17:17 AM
White Sox whooped the Tigers 9-0, nice.
Tigers weren’t too mighty, eh?  ;)
Not at all which I love seeing.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1 on August 21, 2020, 09:21:04 AM
What's interesting about a 9-0 score is that 9-0 is the score that gets recorded if a game is forfeited.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on August 21, 2020, 04:04:40 PM
Add Bregman and James to the injured list.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on August 26, 2020, 12:03:24 AM
Speaking of the White Sox, Lucas Giolito with the first no-hitter of the season as they blank the Pirates 4-0.  13 K's, and only 1 walk away from a perfect game.

As for my Sox: we won tonight, but overall, it's been an epic trainwreck.

Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on August 31, 2020, 10:00:59 PM
I've been enjoying the White Sox so far
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 01, 2020, 07:37:54 AM
I've been enjoying the White Sox so far

Me too. Very weird game last night. 3 errors by the Sox in the 1st lead to 4 Twins runs, and an error on the easiest of fly balls leads to 3 Sox runs in the 9th.

Almost a foregone conclusion that the playoffs are forthcoming. Just a matter of whether they finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 02, 2020, 09:33:31 AM
I've been enjoying the White Sox so far

Me too. Very weird game last night. 3 errors by the Sox in the 1st lead to 4 Twins runs, and an error on the easiest of fly balls leads to 3 Sox runs in the 9th.

Almost a foregone conclusion that the playoffs are forthcoming. Just a matter of whether they finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
FWIW, it's a very good year for Chicago baseball, because my Cubs are in first place...again!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: thspfc on September 02, 2020, 04:33:36 PM
I've been enjoying the White Sox so far

Me too. Very weird game last night. 3 errors by the Sox in the 1st lead to 4 Twins runs, and an error on the easiest of fly balls leads to 3 Sox runs in the 9th.

Almost a foregone conclusion that the playoffs are forthcoming. Just a matter of whether they finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
FWIW, it's a very good year for Chicago baseball, because my Cubs are in first place...again!
First place in a below average division, yes.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 02, 2020, 04:50:44 PM
I've been enjoying the White Sox so far

Me too. Very weird game last night. 3 errors by the Sox in the 1st lead to 4 Twins runs, and an error on the easiest of fly balls leads to 3 Sox runs in the 9th.

Almost a foregone conclusion that the playoffs are forthcoming. Just a matter of whether they finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
FWIW, it's a very good year for Chicago baseball, because my Cubs are in first place...again!
First place in a below average division, yes.

For sure. In this shortened season, the only out of division games are against the geographic counterpart in the other league. To date, the AL Central is 37-23 vs the NL Central. The 4th place Detroit Tigers are 9-4 vs the NL Central.

I would put good money on the NL Champion coming from the West.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on September 02, 2020, 04:54:35 PM
I've been enjoying the White Sox so far

Me too. Very weird game last night. 3 errors by the Sox in the 1st lead to 4 Twins runs, and an error on the easiest of fly balls leads to 3 Sox runs in the 9th.

Almost a foregone conclusion that the playoffs are forthcoming. Just a matter of whether they finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
FWIW, it's a very good year for Chicago baseball, because my Cubs are in first place...again!
First place in a below average division, yes.

For sure. In this shortened season, the only out of division games are against the geographic counterpart in the other league. To date, the AL Central is 37-23 vs the NL Central. The 4th place Detroit Tigers are 9-4 vs the NL Central.

I would put good money on the NL Champion coming from the West.
Oh, you mean the Dodgers, tell me what other team or teams would qualify under the NL West.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: thspfc on September 02, 2020, 05:05:18 PM
I've been enjoying the White Sox so far

Me too. Very weird game last night. 3 errors by the Sox in the 1st lead to 4 Twins runs, and an error on the easiest of fly balls leads to 3 Sox runs in the 9th.

Almost a foregone conclusion that the playoffs are forthcoming. Just a matter of whether they finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
FWIW, it's a very good year for Chicago baseball, because my Cubs are in first place...again!
First place in a below average division, yes.

For sure. In this shortened season, the only out of division games are against the geographic counterpart in the other league. To date, the AL Central is 37-23 vs the NL Central. The 4th place Detroit Tigers are 9-4 vs the NL Central.

I would put good money on the NL Champion coming from the West.
The two best teams in the NL as of right now, the Dodgers and Padres, could very well face each other in the Dvisional series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on September 03, 2020, 05:48:17 PM
Guess what? Jose Altuve got hurt earlier today in the win against the Rangers.

I'm in awe how the Astros are managing to put together a successful season with so many injuries and inexperienced players. Yet here they are, 21-15 and a virtual lock to be in the playoffs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on September 03, 2020, 08:04:01 PM
Guess what? Jose Altuve got hurt earlier today in the win against the Rangers.

I'm in awe how the Astros are managing to put together a successful season with so many injuries and inexperienced players. Yet here they are, 21-15 and a virtual lock to be in the playoffs.
I’m far from a Yankees fan, but they’ve been masterful at that in recent years.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 03, 2020, 08:25:33 PM
Guess what? Jose Altuve got hurt earlier today in the win against the Rangers.

I'm in awe how the Astros are managing to put together a successful season with so many injuries and inexperienced players. Yet here they are, 21-15 and a virtual lock to be in the playoffs.
I’m far from a Yankees fan, but they’ve been masterful at that in recent years.

Of course, in years past, there was a reason they've been "masterful".
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: thspfc on September 03, 2020, 08:45:48 PM
Guess what? Jose Altuve got hurt earlier today in the win against the Rangers.

I'm in awe how the Astros are managing to put together a successful season with so many injuries and inexperienced players. Yet here they are, 21-15 and a virtual lock to be in the playoffs.
I hope they win the series this year. Baseball would explode. All the whiners would be silenced.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 03, 2020, 09:05:47 PM
The World Series trophy should be physically smaller this season.
A permanent reminder that the 'champ' only won a sprint and not a marathon.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on September 03, 2020, 11:38:36 PM
Guess what? Jose Altuve got hurt earlier today in the win against the Rangers.

I'm in awe how the Astros are managing to put together a successful season with so many injuries and inexperienced players. Yet here they are, 21-15 and a virtual lock to be in the playoffs.
I hope they win the series this year. Baseball would explode. All the whiners would be silenced.
I hate when cheaters win, but this country seems to be doing very well at that lately. (And this is even just talking sports)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on September 04, 2020, 02:01:05 AM
Guess what? Jose Altuve got hurt earlier today in the win against the Rangers.

I'm in awe how the Astros are managing to put together a successful season with so many injuries and inexperienced players. Yet here they are, 21-15 and a virtual lock to be in the playoffs.
I hope they win the series this year. Baseball would explode. All the whiners would be silenced.
I hate when cheaters win, but this country seems to be doing very well at that lately. (And this is even just talking sports)

Unless your the Red Sox.  They just seem to be trotting out a weak sauce candidate and tanking for a top draft pick.  They’re now inventing ways to lose, as evidenced by tonight’s little league sequence to blow the lead then going full nuclear meltdown in extras.  The games should have a TV-MA rating they’re so tough to watch.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: thspfc on September 04, 2020, 01:33:53 PM
Guess what? Jose Altuve got hurt earlier today in the win against the Rangers.

I'm in awe how the Astros are managing to put together a successful season with so many injuries and inexperienced players. Yet here they are, 21-15 and a virtual lock to be in the playoffs.
I hope they win the series this year. Baseball would explode. All the whiners would be silenced.
I hate when cheaters win, but this country seems to be doing very well at that lately. (And this is even just talking sports)
Yep, Patriots have won *checks notes* zero Super Bowls by cheating, Astros have won *checks notes* zero legitimate World Series by cheating. Gosh, all the cheating going on is really killing sports.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on September 04, 2020, 02:55:12 PM
Guess what? Jose Altuve got hurt earlier today in the win against the Rangers.

I'm in awe how the Astros are managing to put together a successful season with so many injuries and inexperienced players. Yet here they are, 21-15 and a virtual lock to be in the playoffs.
I hope they win the series this year. Baseball would explode. All the whiners would be silenced.
I hate when cheaters win, but this country seems to be doing very well at that lately. (And this is even just talking sports)
Yep, Patriots have won *checks notes* zero Super Bowls by cheating, Astros have won *checks notes* zero legitimate World Series by cheating. Gosh, all the cheating going on is really killing sports.  :rolleyes:
zero "legitimate" i like what you did there
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on September 07, 2020, 12:29:50 AM
I just would like to mention that one of the greatest pitchers not only in New York Mets history but in baseball history, Tom Seaver passed away last Monday at the age of 75 from Lewy Body Dementia.  I had the pleasure of watching him pitch on TV back in the 1970's.  While watching the games, you knew it was more than likely going to be low scoring with few hits allowed and anywhere between 7-11 strikeouts by Seaver.  He was just incredible to watch, and he was my second favorite pitcher of all-time--behind Catfish Hunter.

His record: 311 wins, 3,640 strikeouts, 61 shutouts, 2.86 ERA (2.73 NL ERA-best ever in the "live ball" era), and 3 Cy Young Awards.  Led the NL in wins and ERA 3 separate times.  He still has two major league records: most consecutive strikeouts in a game (10) and most consecutive seasons with 200 or more strikeouts (9).  If he had struck out 4 more batters in 1977, he would have had 11 consecutive seasons of 200 or more strikeouts.  He also threw a no-hitter in 1978, as a member of the Cincinnati Reds, against the St. Louis Cardinals.  And, of course, he was part of the 1969 Miracle Mets World Series Champions.

Long remember "The Franchise"!  Long remember "Tom Terrific"!  Long remember #41!

Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 07, 2020, 08:42:13 PM
Funny you should mention Tom Seaver, because the batter he faced most often was Lou Brock, who passed away yesterday at age 81. Not only was he part of the most lopsided trade in baseball history (going from the Cubs to the Cardinals in the deal that sent Ernie Broglio to Chicago), he was also the all-time stolen base king until Rickey Henderson took that title away. While this deal may or may not have intensified the bad blood that the Cubs and Cardinals had at the time, it certainly catapulted the Cards to one of their greatest periods ever, winning three NL pennants and two World Series titles from 1964 to 1968. Of course, my family is all Cubs fans, so we can only sit back and wonder what would've happened if Brock had never been traded away, but he's one of the most respected Cardinals for us, along with Stan Musial and Tony LaRussa, and all is forgiven. My condolences go out to the Brock family, and to the Cardinals.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 08, 2020, 08:52:51 AM
Funny you should mention Tom Seaver, because the batter he faced most often was Lou Brock, who passed away yesterday at age 81. Not only was he part of the most lopsided trade in baseball history (going from the Cubs to the Cardinals in the deal that sent Ernie Broglio to Chicago), he was also the all-time stolen base king until Rickey Henderson took that title away. While this deal may or may not have intensified the bad blood that the Cubs and Cardinals had at the time, it certainly catapulted the Cards to one of their greatest periods ever, winning three NL pennants and two World Series titles from 1964 to 1968. Of course, my family is all Cubs fans, so we can only sit back and wonder what would've happened if Brock had never been traded away, but he's one of the most respected Cardinals for us, along with Stan Musial and Tony LaRussa, and all is forgiven. My condolences go out to the Brock family, and to the Cardinals.


Tony LaRussa???  No...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 08, 2020, 08:54:51 AM
Funny you should mention Tom Seaver, because the batter he faced most often was Lou Brock, who passed away yesterday at age 81. Not only was he part of the most lopsided trade in baseball history (going from the Cubs to the Cardinals in the deal that sent Ernie Broglio to Chicago), he was also the all-time stolen base king until Rickey Henderson took that title away. While this deal may or may not have intensified the bad blood that the Cubs and Cardinals had at the time, it certainly catapulted the Cards to one of their greatest periods ever, winning three NL pennants and two World Series titles from 1964 to 1968. Of course, my family is all Cubs fans, so we can only sit back and wonder what would've happened if Brock had never been traded away, but he's one of the most respected Cardinals for us, along with Stan Musial and Tony LaRussa, and all is forgiven. My condolences go out to the Brock family, and to the Cardinals.


Tony LaRussa???  No...

Cubs fans should respect Tony LaRussa a bunch. He was one of the biggest keys in covering up steroid use, and that allowed the Cubs to explode in popularity with Sammy Sosa.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 08, 2020, 09:30:57 AM
Funny you should mention Tom Seaver, because the batter he faced most often was Lou Brock, who passed away yesterday at age 81. Not only was he part of the most lopsided trade in baseball history (going from the Cubs to the Cardinals in the deal that sent Ernie Broglio to Chicago), he was also the all-time stolen base king until Rickey Henderson took that title away. While this deal may or may not have intensified the bad blood that the Cubs and Cardinals had at the time, it certainly catapulted the Cards to one of their greatest periods ever, winning three NL pennants and two World Series titles from 1964 to 1968. Of course, my family is all Cubs fans, so we can only sit back and wonder what would've happened if Brock had never been traded away, but he's one of the most respected Cardinals for us, along with Stan Musial and Tony LaRussa, and all is forgiven. My condolences go out to the Brock family, and to the Cardinals.


Tony LaRussa???  No...

Cubs fans should respect Tony LaRussa a bunch. He was one of the biggest keys in covering up steroid use, and that allowed the Cubs to explode in popularity with Sammy Sosa.

Touche...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on September 13, 2020, 01:26:37 AM
Minor League Baseball plans to end contracts with 4 minor leagues in the soon to be deleted Rookie and Short-season class-A levels, and 40-42 teams to lose affiliation agreements with Major League Baseball teams. The article is from last year but the plan was for the 2021 season. MiLB cancelled all leagues' 2020 season schedules due to the COVID-19 pandemic (June 30th). And one of the 40-ish teams reportedly up for elimination is the Lancaster JetHawks (Colorado Rockies) of the California League, right in Los Angeles county. There will be 4 levels and 120 teams (30 for each level) of class A (advanced or high, and low), double-A and AAA, there will still be the Arizona and Gulf Coast leagues which do not have game admission charges and stadium concession stands. The Rockies need an advanced or high class A team to fill in the blank in their farm team organization system. If I have money, I would bring a Rockies farm team in Palm Springs in their upgraded stadium.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/all-42-teams-reportedly-up-for-elimination-in-mlbs-minor-league-reduction-proposal/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on September 13, 2020, 04:44:38 AM
Possible scenario for minor league ball in So Cal: 1. A triple-A team in the San Bernardino area, most likely a LA Dodgers affiliate (currently, Oklahoma City in Pacific Coast League), 2. a replacement class A team for the Dodgers in Lancaster (not sure they have the JetHawks or plain Dodgers moniker), and 3. a new Cal League team under the Rockies affiliation in Adelanto's Stater Bros Stadium which is up to Cal League standards when they had the "High Desert" Mavericks (1991-2016).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 13, 2020, 12:29:29 PM
Minor League Baseball plans to end contracts with 4 minor leagues in the soon to be deleted Rookie and Short-season class-A levels, and 40-42 teams to lose affiliation agreements with Major League Baseball teams. The article is from last year but the plan was for the 2021 season. MiLB cancelled all leagues' 2020 season schedules due to the COVID-19 pandemic (June 30th). And one of the 40-ish teams reportedly up for elimination is the Lancaster JetHawks (Colorado Rockies) of the California League, right in Los Angeles county. There will be 4 levels and 120 teams (30 for each level) of class A (advanced or high, and low), double-A and AAA, there will still be the Arizona and Gulf Coast leagues which do not have game admission charges and stadium concession stands. The Rockies need an advanced or high class A team to fill in the blank in their farm team organization system. If I have money, I would bring a Rockies farm team in Palm Springs in their upgraded stadium.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/all-42-teams-reportedly-up-for-elimination-in-mlbs-minor-league-reduction-proposal/

I wonder if the teams in these minor leagues might join the independent leagues like the current American Association and the Frontier League?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on September 13, 2020, 08:07:57 PM
The Cubs’ Alec Mills threw a No-No in Milwaukee today
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on September 13, 2020, 08:42:45 PM
The Cubs’ Alec Mills threw a No-No in Milwaukee today

First time that both Chicago teams have a no hitter in the same season
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 15, 2020, 01:13:33 PM
The locations have been set for the playoffs. As a recap, eight teams qualify from each league, with the division winners getting seeded 1-3, the runners-up seeded 4-6, and the next two best records seeded 7-8. There will be no extra game tiebreakers. All ties within and across divisions will be broken by a sequence of tie-breakers based on head-to-head, division record, etc. The bracket will take the traditional 1v8, 4v5, 2v7, 3v6 bracket.


For the wildcard round, the entire best-of-three series will be played at the higher seed's home stadium. The home team will bat last in all games.

For the division series round, the highest remaining AL seed will play at San Diego, the other AL series at Los Angeles, the highest remaining NL seed at Arlington, and the other NL series at Houston. The higher seed will bat last in games 1, 2, and 5 (same as if they were playing the series in home stadiums).

The AL championship series will be played at Arlington, the NLCS at San Diego, and the World Series at Arlington, with the higher seed batting last in games 1, 2, 6, and 7 (same as if they were playing the series in home stadiums). The World Series will start October 20 and end no later than October 28.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 16, 2020, 10:25:19 AM
The AL championship series will be played at Arlington, the NLCS at San Diego, and the World Series at Arlington, with the higher seed batting last in games 1, 2, 6, and 7 (same as if they were playing the series in home stadiums). The World Series will start October 20 and end no later than October 28.
You mean that the ALCS will be played in San Diego, and the NLCS in Arlington. My guess is, the two leagues have flipped to the other league's stadiums to avoid an unfair advantage for their teams. As for the World Series in Arlington, it'll be the first time in 76 years that the same stadium hosted every game in the Fall Classic, with the all-St. Louis Series in which the Cardinals defeated the Browns (the same team that's now known as the Orioles). Before that, the Giants beat the Yankees in consecutive World Series (1921-22) when both teams called the Polo Grounds their home; of course, the Yankees would get their revenge in 1923, when they moved to Yankee Stadium, their permanent home since then (but in three versions, with the team playing in Shea Stadium for the 1974 and '75 campaigns).

So for the first time ever, all four major sports championships will be decided at a neutral site, with the NBA championship being awarded in Orlando and the Stanley Cup in Edmonton. Of course, the Lombardi Trophy is always awarded at a neutral site, and that will never change.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on September 16, 2020, 02:40:02 PM
The White Sox can clinch a playoff birth for the first time in 12 years with a win, a Det loss, and a Sea loss
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 16, 2020, 02:56:29 PM
The White Sox can clinch a playoff birth for the first time in 12 years with a win, a Det loss, and a Sea loss

Seattle loss not necessary. They have 3 games remaining with Houston, so at least one of those two teams ends up with at least 27 losses even if both win tonight, which is convenient because I'm not staying up until midnight to celebrate.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 16, 2020, 09:56:39 PM
The AL championship series will be played at Arlington, the NLCS at San Diego, and the World Series at Arlington, with the higher seed batting last in games 1, 2, 6, and 7 (same as if they were playing the series in home stadiums). The World Series will start October 20 and end no later than October 28.
You mean that the ALCS will be played in San Diego, and the NLCS in Arlington. My guess is, the two leagues have flipped to the other league's stadiums to avoid an unfair advantage for their teams. As for the World Series in Arlington, it'll be the first time in 76 years that the same stadium hosted every game in the Fall Classic, with the all-St. Louis Series in which the Cardinals defeated the Browns (the same team that's now known as the Orioles). Before that, the Giants beat the Yankees in consecutive World Series (1921-22) when both teams called the Polo Grounds their home; of course, the Yankees would get their revenge in 1923, when they moved to Yankee Stadium, their permanent home since then (but in three versions, with the team playing in Shea Stadium for the 1974 and '75 campaigns).

So for the first time ever, all four major sports championships will be decided at a neutral site, with the NBA championship being awarded in Orlando and the Stanley Cup in Edmonton. Of course, the Lombardi Trophy is always awarded at a neutral site, and that will never change.

Maybe, just maybe, I think it won't be the last time then all four major sports championship will be decided at a neutral site.  Had the NHL practiced this for years and had Toronto hosted the Stanley Cup finals, some players could said as a joke, I won a Stanley Cup championship in Toronto and I didn't played for the Leafs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ftballfan on September 23, 2020, 11:11:11 AM
The AL championship series will be played at Arlington, the NLCS at San Diego, and the World Series at Arlington, with the higher seed batting last in games 1, 2, 6, and 7 (same as if they were playing the series in home stadiums). The World Series will start October 20 and end no later than October 28.
You mean that the ALCS will be played in San Diego, and the NLCS in Arlington. My guess is, the two leagues have flipped to the other league's stadiums to avoid an unfair advantage for their teams. As for the World Series in Arlington, it'll be the first time in 76 years that the same stadium hosted every game in the Fall Classic, with the all-St. Louis Series in which the Cardinals defeated the Browns (the same team that's now known as the Orioles). Before that, the Giants beat the Yankees in consecutive World Series (1921-22) when both teams called the Polo Grounds their home; of course, the Yankees would get their revenge in 1923, when they moved to Yankee Stadium, their permanent home since then (but in three versions, with the team playing in Shea Stadium for the 1974 and '75 campaigns).

So for the first time ever, all four major sports championships will be decided at a neutral site, with the NBA championship being awarded in Orlando and the Stanley Cup in Edmonton. Of course, the Lombardi Trophy is always awarded at a neutral site, and that will never change.
It is theoretically possible for a team to win the Super Bowl in their home stadium, but it has never happened.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 23, 2020, 11:38:42 AM
Angel Hernandez is a shitty umpire and a fucking asshole.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 23, 2020, 01:47:34 PM
The AL championship series will be played at Arlington, the NLCS at San Diego, and the World Series at Arlington, with the higher seed batting last in games 1, 2, 6, and 7 (same as if they were playing the series in home stadiums). The World Series will start October 20 and end no later than October 28.
You mean that the ALCS will be played in San Diego, and the NLCS in Arlington. My guess is, the two leagues have flipped to the other league's stadiums to avoid an unfair advantage for their teams. As for the World Series in Arlington, it'll be the first time in 76 years that the same stadium hosted every game in the Fall Classic, with the all-St. Louis Series in which the Cardinals defeated the Browns (the same team that's now known as the Orioles). Before that, the Giants beat the Yankees in consecutive World Series (1921-22) when both teams called the Polo Grounds their home; of course, the Yankees would get their revenge in 1923, when they moved to Yankee Stadium, their permanent home since then (but in three versions, with the team playing in Shea Stadium for the 1974 and '75 campaigns).

So for the first time ever, all four major sports championships will be decided at a neutral site, with the NBA championship being awarded in Orlando and the Stanley Cup in Edmonton. Of course, the Lombardi Trophy is always awarded at a neutral site, and that will never change.
It is theoretically possible for a team to win the Super Bowl in their home stadium, but it has never happened.

But it is still considered a neutral site.  The Super Bowl is in Tampa this year.  If the Bucs make it, while it is still their stadium, it won't be a Bucaneers home game.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on September 23, 2020, 10:57:41 PM
But it is still considered a neutral site.  The Super Bowl is in Tampa this year.  If the Bucs make it, while it is still their stadium, it won't be a Bucaneers home game.
Semantic BS

The only “On Field” difference of Home vs Away is an/the Away Captain makes the Coin Toss(es) call, and the Home Team gets 1st choice for Uniform Color Scheme

Otherwise, if a team qualifies for a Super Bowl the year they are the predetermined host, it is still a home game. I don’t think the NFL will force a “home” team to live at the assigned hotel. Sure, they will still be required to make media commitments and all that.

I don’t even know if a set amount of tickets are reserved for the Host Stadium/Team to sell in addition to the tickets reserved for the 2 participating teams. If there are those 3 pools, obviously if the Host and one of the Participants are the same, that would be more “home” tickets available. I doubt it would be enough for a decided advantage in terms of fan noise (in a “normal” fan year, anyway)

Whether Ticket Resale markets would help a “home” Super Bowl team pack the stadium, remains to be seen
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 24, 2020, 07:10:45 AM
But it is still considered a neutral site.  The Super Bowl is in Tampa this year.  If the Bucs make it, while it is still their stadium, it won't be a Bucaneers home game.
Semantic BS

The only “On Field” difference of Home vs Away is an/the Away Captain makes the Coin Toss(es) call, and the Home Team gets 1st choice for Uniform Color Scheme

Otherwise, if a team qualifies for a Super Bowl the year they are the predetermined host, it is still a home game. I don’t think the NFL will force a “home” team to live at the assigned hotel. Sure, they will still be required to make media commitments and all that.

I don’t even know if a set amount of tickets are reserved for the Host Stadium/Team to sell in addition to the tickets reserved for the 2 participating teams. If there are those 3 pools, obviously if the Host and one of the Participants are the same, that would be more “home” tickets available. I doubt it would be enough for a decided advantage in terms of fan noise (in a “normal” fan year, anyway)

Whether Ticket Resale markets would help a “home” Super Bowl team pack the stadium, remains to be seen

The coaches might want the team in a hotel anyway, at least the night before the game, just to control the environment.

The host team gets a few tickets, but not enough to make a difference.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 24, 2020, 09:35:46 AM
But it is still considered a neutral site.  The Super Bowl is in Tampa this year.  If the Bucs make it, while it is still their stadium, it won't be a Bucaneers home game.
Semantic BS

The only “On Field” difference of Home vs Away is an/the Away Captain makes the Coin Toss(es) call, and the Home Team gets 1st choice for Uniform Color Scheme

Otherwise, if a team qualifies for a Super Bowl the year they are the predetermined host, it is still a home game. I don’t think the NFL will force a “home” team to live at the assigned hotel. Sure, they will still be required to make media commitments and all that.

I don’t even know if a set amount of tickets are reserved for the Host Stadium/Team to sell in addition to the tickets reserved for the 2 participating teams. If there are those 3 pools, obviously if the Host and one of the Participants are the same, that would be more “home” tickets available. I doubt it would be enough for a decided advantage in terms of fan noise (in a “normal” fan year, anyway)

Whether Ticket Resale markets would help a “home” Super Bowl team pack the stadium, remains to be seen


If you don't have a significant crowd behind you, the home field advantage isn't much.  Right now home teams only win 55% of regular season home games.  Without a significant home crowd, and with a quality opponent on the other side of the ball, it's pretty much 50/50.

Also, many, if not all, NFL teams spend the night at hotels prior to home games so I don't think that matters much either.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on September 24, 2020, 05:56:26 PM
But it is still considered a neutral site.  The Super Bowl is in Tampa this year.  If the Bucs make it, while it is still their stadium, it won't be a Bucaneers home game.
Semantic BS

The only “On Field” difference of Home vs Away is an/the Away Captain makes the Coin Toss(es) call, and the Home Team gets 1st choice for Uniform Color Scheme

Otherwise, if a team qualifies for a Super Bowl the year they are the predetermined host, it is still a home game. I don’t think the NFL will force a “home” team to live at the assigned hotel. Sure, they will still be required to make media commitments and all that.

I don’t even know if a set amount of tickets are reserved for the Host Stadium/Team to sell in addition to the tickets reserved for the 2 participating teams. If there are those 3 pools, obviously if the Host and one of the Participants are the same, that would be more “home” tickets available. I doubt it would be enough for a decided advantage in terms of fan noise (in a “normal” fan year, anyway)

Whether Ticket Resale markets would help a “home” Super Bowl team pack the stadium, remains to be seen


If you don't have a significant crowd behind you, the home field advantage isn't much.  Right now home teams only win 55% of regular season home games.  Without a significant home crowd, and with a quality opponent on the other side of the ball, it's pretty much 50/50.

Also, many, if not all, NFL teams spend the night at hotels prior to home games so I don't think that matters much either.
There are slight advantages in having your own (more luxurious) locker room and the other team having the bare-bones edition. You can also spend the night at home with better sleep, get more time on your own field, etc.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 24, 2020, 08:32:24 PM
But it is still considered a neutral site.  The Super Bowl is in Tampa this year.  If the Bucs make it, while it is still their stadium, it won't be a Bucaneers home game.
Semantic BS

The only “On Field” difference of Home vs Away is an/the Away Captain makes the Coin Toss(es) call, and the Home Team gets 1st choice for Uniform Color Scheme

Otherwise, if a team qualifies for a Super Bowl the year they are the predetermined host, it is still a home game. I don’t think the NFL will force a “home” team to live at the assigned hotel. Sure, they will still be required to make media commitments and all that.

I don’t even know if a set amount of tickets are reserved for the Host Stadium/Team to sell in addition to the tickets reserved for the 2 participating teams. If there are those 3 pools, obviously if the Host and one of the Participants are the same, that would be more “home” tickets available. I doubt it would be enough for a decided advantage in terms of fan noise (in a “normal” fan year, anyway)

Whether Ticket Resale markets would help a “home” Super Bowl team pack the stadium, remains to be seen


If you don't have a significant crowd behind you, the home field advantage isn't much.  Right now home teams only win 55% of regular season home games.  Without a significant home crowd, and with a quality opponent on the other side of the ball, it's pretty much 50/50.

Also, many, if not all, NFL teams spend the night at hotels prior to home games so I don't think that matters much either.
There are slight advantages in having your own (more luxurious) locker room and the other team having the bare-bones edition. You can also spend the night at home with better sleep, get more time on your own field, etc.


Pretty minor.  Not really enough to call it an advantage. 

It's a neutral site in more than name only.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Buck87 on September 28, 2020, 09:02:31 AM
The 2020 Postseason bracket is set.

In the Wild Card round the higher seeds hosts and bats last in each game of a best of 3 series.
After that the the LDS, LCS and WS will all be played at neutral bubble locations.

(https://media.bleacherreport.com/f_auto,w_1440,q_auto,c_fill/br-cms/ed/df/0f/96/ce2d/447e/8c68/988a6cf7560c/crop_exact_Screen_Shot_2020-09-27_at_4.25.33_PM.jpg)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 28, 2020, 09:11:11 AM
I think are the Brewers are the worst team to make the playoffs in MLB history.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 28, 2020, 09:19:27 AM
I think are the Brewers are the worst team to make the playoffs in MLB history.

The Brewers and Astros both finished 29-31, but the Astros are seeded 6th in the AL due to being a 2nd place team.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 28, 2020, 09:50:54 AM
I've watched the Brewers all summer and they're just not very good. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on September 28, 2020, 09:56:12 AM
I think are the Brewers are the worst team to make the playoffs in MLB history.
The 2005 Padres finished the regular season at 82-80, being the "worst" team thus far to make the playoffs, and were summarily swept in the ALDS. The Brewers and Astros have the worst winning percentages in this asterisk year, and we'll see how they fare.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Thing 342 on September 28, 2020, 10:04:17 AM
The 2020 Postseason bracket is set.

In the Wild Card round the higher seeds hosts and bats last in each game of a best of 3 series.
After that the the LDS, LCS and WS will all be played at neutral bubble locations.

(https://media.bleacherreport.com/f_auto,w_1440,q_auto,c_fill/br-cms/ed/df/0f/96/ce2d/447e/8c68/988a6cf7560c/crop_exact_Screen_Shot_2020-09-27_at_4.25.33_PM.jpg)

Hopping into this thread to express how much I hate this new postseason format, and how much fun it will be to see the 112-win paced Dodgers lose to the sub-.500 Brewers.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 28, 2020, 10:10:09 AM
The 2020 Postseason bracket is set.

In the Wild Card round the higher seeds hosts and bats last in each game of a best of 3 series.
After that the the LDS, LCS and WS will all be played at neutral bubble locations.

(https://media.bleacherreport.com/f_auto,w_1440,q_auto,c_fill/br-cms/ed/df/0f/96/ce2d/447e/8c68/988a6cf7560c/crop_exact_Screen_Shot_2020-09-27_at_4.25.33_PM.jpg)

Hopping into this thread to express how much I hate this new postseason format, and how much fun it will be to see the 112-win paced Dodgers lose to the sub-.500 Brewers.

It was necessary for this season in order to generate enough TV money to pay players enough to get them to play at all.

I don't think it's going to stay.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on September 28, 2020, 01:01:24 PM

[image snippage]

Hopping into this thread to express how much I hate this new postseason format, and how much fun it will be to see the 112-win paced Dodgers lose to the sub-.500 Brewers.

It was necessary for this season in order to generate enough TV money to pay players enough to get them to play at all.

I don't think it's going to stay.

Also hoping and praying that once things are allowed to go back to normal, they dump this post-season format (heck, I think that they should go back to the pre-1968 format).

In addition, lose the DH at least in the National League, seven-inning double header games (those are soooooo Minor League!) and a runner on second to start each extra inning!

 :banghead:

Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 28, 2020, 01:47:15 PM
The baseball playoffs go too long from a weather perspective for the teams in the north already.  MLB is getting away with this because they are putting the LDS, LCS and WS at neutral sites in the south.  That is why I doubt the new first round is permanent.

Also, I think the double headers for 7 innings are not permanent.  Traditional double headers don't exist really.  They are usually Day/Night double headers where different crowds come in and there is rest between.  The 7 inning was a compromise knowing there would be a number of cancellations and a short time to make them up.

But pitchers batting can go away forever.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 28, 2020, 02:02:52 PM
Pitchers batting will come back for at least a few years. When it goes away permanently, NL teams will get some notice so they can build rosters appropriately.

As for expanded playoffs, I don't know that it ever gets to 16 permanently, but I think eventually there is a trade-off with some expanded playoffs in exchange for a shorter regular season so that they don't end so late.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 28, 2020, 02:05:39 PM
Quote
Pitchers batting will come back for at least a few years. When it goes away permanently, NL teams will get some notice so they can build rosters appropriately.

I think the MLBPA will make sure it never comes back ever again.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on September 28, 2020, 03:01:56 PM
Can’t say I’ve missed pitchers batting either.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 28, 2020, 03:41:17 PM
White Sox finished the season 14-0 in games where the opponent started a left-handed pitcher. First time in MLB history that a team has done this. One of those things that likely never happens in a full season, but it counts.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 28, 2020, 03:49:34 PM
Pitchers batting will come back for at least a few years. When it goes away permanently, NL teams will get some notice so they can build rosters appropriately.


What kind of notice to teams need to have to add a DH?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 28, 2020, 04:25:04 PM
Pitchers batting will come back for at least a few years. When it goes away permanently, NL teams will get some notice so they can build rosters appropriately.


What kind of notice to teams need to have to add a DH?

They could have a backup OF or utility IF signed to a multi-year deal taking up a roster spot they need for a better hitter to be the DH. Maybe there aren't enough teams in this situation to create opposition, but it's at least a possibility.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on September 30, 2020, 12:45:45 PM
Giolito was only the 5th pitcher to be perfect through 6 innings in a postseason appearance yesterday :clap:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 30, 2020, 02:34:01 PM
DH sucks.
If they're gonna do that, then why not replace other position players with another DH?  Most catchers suck at hitting.  DH for them.  And there's always one guy on every team with a good glove but can't hit their way out of a paper bag.  (That's why we have the "Mendoza Line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mendoza_Line)" after all.). Another DH!
In fact, let's just have a whole team of DH's and leave the fielding to a whole different set of 9 dudes.
And you know, while we're at it, since most of baseball has devolved into nothing but strike outs and home runs, let's shit-can the defense entirely and just put some targets out on the field and if the DH's hit the ball there, they get bases and drive in runs.  Baseball becomes friggin' "Top Golf".  Remove the defense entirely from consideration because that's what all the impatient rubes out there want: nothing but goddamn home runs!!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 30, 2020, 04:18:14 PM
DH sucks.
If they're gonna do that, then why not replace other position players with another DH?  Most catchers suck at hitting.  DH for them.  And there's always one guy on every team with a good glove but can't hit their way out of a paper bag.  (That's why we have the "Mendoza Line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mendoza_Line)" after all.). Another DH!
In fact, let's just have a whole team of DH's and leave the fielding to a whole different set of 9 dudes.
And you know, while we're at it, since most of baseball has devolved into nothing but strike outs and home runs, let's shit-can the defense entirely and just put some targets out on the field and if the DH's hit the ball there, they get bases and drive in runs.  Baseball becomes friggin' "Top Golf".  Remove the defense entirely from consideration because that's what all the impatient rubes out there want: nothing but goddamn home runs!!


Engaging in a reductio ad absurdum argument is rather poor way of making your point.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 30, 2020, 04:34:22 PM
Engaging in a reductio ad absurdum argument is rather poor way of making your point.

But it's way funnier.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on September 30, 2020, 04:49:44 PM
Well, the Twins got knocked out by the Astros in the wild card, marking their 18th straight postseason loss.

Now I'm rooting for the White Sox to finish off the A's so the Astros don't play them again.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on October 02, 2020, 05:58:47 PM
Cubbies were eliminated by the Marlins this afternoon

So far, we have an All NL East NLDS, an All AL East ALDS, and an All AL West ALDS, and we may have an All NL West NLDS, pending the result of tonight’s Redbirds/Friars tilt

The AL and NL Central teams so far have not fared well in this Playoff format
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 02, 2020, 11:40:06 PM
I hope MLB takes heed from these extra wild card games and leaves them in this pandemic season where they belong.

No one wants to see two more games between sub-500 teams and the contenders before the real meat and potatoes of the playoffs.

The extra wild card team is enough of a stretch.

I do like that the teams with best respective league records don't automatically go to the World Series like in the long-long ago.  That might have flown when there were 10 fewer teams, but not today.  Some teams have years where, in their division, they are a big fish in a small pond and have a lot of powder puff match-ups while another division is more competitive.  They gotta prove their mettle.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on October 03, 2020, 09:46:22 AM
Agreed.  There weren't many people watching these games either.

The one-game Wild Card is fun because it's instant drama.  A good introduction to the playoffs.  But this format is a little too much, and the drama gets lost in the shuffle.  Lack of fans doesn't help.

A think the ratings for the rest of the playoffs are going to be miserable as well.  Neutral sites games between division opponents.  There just doesn't feel to be much "momentum" heading into the post season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: thspfc on October 08, 2020, 12:57:34 PM
The two best teams in the NL as of right now, the Dodgers and Padres, could very well face each other in the Dvisional series.
Got em
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kurumi on October 08, 2020, 01:27:24 PM
DH sucks.
If they're gonna do that, then why not replace other position players with another DH?  Most catchers suck at hitting.  DH for them.  And there's always one guy on every team with a good glove but can't hit their way out of a paper bag.  (That's why we have the "Mendoza Line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mendoza_Line)" after all.). Another DH!
In fact, let's just have a whole team of DH's and leave the fielding to a whole different set of 9 dudes.
And you know, while we're at it, since most of baseball has devolved into nothing but strike outs and home runs, let's shit-can the defense entirely and just put some targets out on the field and if the DH's hit the ball there, they get bases and drive in runs.  Baseball becomes friggin' "Top Golf".  Remove the defense entirely from consideration because that's what all the impatient rubes out there want: nothing but goddamn home runs!!

Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 09, 2020, 06:16:46 AM
I want the Dodgers in the world series and they may defeat the Padres to advance to the NLCS vs the "bad news" Braves. I'm glad the Yankees (the team everyone loves to hate) were eliminated by the #1 AL team, the Tampa Bay Rays who will face the current AL champs the Houston Astros in the ALCS. I understand the Marlins were expected to dominate the shortened 2020 MLB season, but half the 30-man roster contracted COVID-19 in a state with a huge load of virus this summer and they were falling in the standings. Hats off to the Marlins: team of the year, and sadly, the Oakland A's couldn't land in an all-CA world series dream. In 1974, the A's won their 3-peat vs the Dodgers and 14 years later (1988), the Dodgers beaten the A's. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 09, 2020, 06:19:49 AM
I think are the Brewers are the worst team to make the playoffs in MLB history.

The Brewers and Astros both finished 29-31, but the Astros are seeded 6th in the AL due to being a 2nd place team.

LOL, the teams were in opposite leagues when I was a 80s-90s kid: the NL Brewers in the AL and the AL Astros in the NL.

Ironically, the triple-A Pacific Coast League Fresno Grizzlies were Astros and Nationals farm teams in the last 4 years, they played a role in supplying world series experience, and I hope they return playing in the 2021 season. About 40? 42? 44? Minor League baseball teams are to be eliminated. The COVID pandemic along with the Great Recession and the internet today was like television in the 1950s-60s-70s reduced the presence of the minors, which had a comeback in the 1980s-90s-2000s, now many teams and (esp. independent) leagues are folding up everywhere.

In 1963, there were Open class, AAA, AA, A-1, A, B, C, D and non-affiliated E and F, only the As survived the 1963 reorganization, now it's going to eliminate short-season A and Advanced Rookie...and 6 out of 8 teams in the California League (Class A-Advanced) except for the state's 3rd largest city San Jose and in Southern Cal, Lake Elsinore are in financial difficulties, the worst cases are Lancaster within a hour from Los Angeles in the namesake county and Visalia (current league champs) in a 2,500-seat ballpark (it may be compliant in Cal League standards).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 09, 2020, 08:16:52 AM
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I'm glad the Yankees (the team everyone loves to hate) were eliminated by the #1 AL team, the Tampa Bay Rays
Except they weren’t. They won last night to force a game 5. Unless you’re a day ahead of us.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 09, 2020, 11:10:34 AM
I'm so glad that the Braves knocked the Marlins out. Ever since the Marlins came from behind to defeat my beloved Cubs in that controversial NLCS back in '03, I've grown to hate them, and I'm forever grateful to Atlanta for dealing them their first postseason series loss after sweeping the Cubs in the Wild Card round. Not only that, I'm also happy that the Braves got revenge for their upset loss in the '97 NLCS (I'm sure that memory still stings, 23 years later).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 09, 2020, 05:41:34 PM
I'm so glad that the Braves knocked the Marlins out. Ever since the Marlins came from behind to defeat my beloved Cubs in that controversial NLCS back in '03, I've grown to hate them, and I'm forever grateful to Atlanta for dealing them their first postseason series loss after sweeping the Cubs in the Wild Card round. Not only that, I'm also happy that the Braves got revenge for their upset loss in the '97 NLCS (I'm sure that memory still stings, 23 years later).

The Cubs got swept by a team that got swept in the next round. Now we need the Braves to get swept by the Dodgers and the Dodgers by the AL Champs and the Cubs can be statistically the worst playoff team ever.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 09, 2020, 05:44:42 PM
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I'm glad the Yankees (the team everyone loves to hate) were eliminated by the #1 AL team, the Tampa Bay Rays
Except they weren’t. They won last night to force a game 5. Unless you’re a day ahead of us.
I'm excited for a Yankees (the team everyone loves) victory tonight.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 09, 2020, 10:32:40 PM
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I'm glad the Yankees (the team everyone loves to hate) were eliminated by the #1 AL team, the Tampa Bay Rays
Except they weren’t. They won last night to force a game 5. Unless you’re a day ahead of us.
I'm excited for a Yankees (the team everyone loves) victory tonight.
Well, at least one of you was right.

/me drinks in Orioles fan
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 09, 2020, 10:46:29 PM
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I'm glad the Yankees (the team everyone loves to hate) were eliminated by the #1 AL team, the Tampa Bay Rays

Except they weren’t. They won last night to force a game 5. Unless you’re a day ahead of us.
I'm excited for a Yankees (the team everyone loves) victory tonight.
Well, at least one of you was right.

/me drinks in Orioles fan

I thought the Rays won last night, but on game 5, the Rays won anyway 2-1. Despite the Yankees are held as the best team in MLB history, this wasn't the case in 2020. It took a single homer by Brousseau to take the Rays to their first ALCS since 2008.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 09, 2020, 10:48:26 PM
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I'm glad the Yankees (the team everyone loves to hate) were eliminated by the #1 AL team, the Tampa Bay Rays
Except they weren’t. They won last night to force a game 5. Unless you’re a day ahead of us.
I'm excited for a Yankees (the team everyone loves) victory tonight.
Well, at least one of you was right.

/me drinks in Orioles fan
I'm sad, but I'm now a Rays fan for the rest of the playoffs. I want them to squash the other guys completely flat and stand up for the Yankees that should have been there in 2017 and 2019.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 09, 2020, 11:15:49 PM
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I'm glad the Yankees (the team everyone loves to hate) were eliminated by the #1 AL team, the Tampa Bay Rays
Except they weren’t. They won last night to force a game 5. Unless you’re a day ahead of us.
I'm excited for a Yankees (the team everyone loves) victory tonight.
Well, at least one of you was right.

/me drinks in Orioles fan
I'm sad, but I'm now a Rays fan for the rest of the playoffs. I want them to squash the other guys completely flat and stand up for the Yankees that should have been there in 2017 and 2019.
That’s a fair take. I think they’ll have more of a chance beating the Dodgers (or Braves, for that matter) than the Astros do without Verlander anyway.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 10, 2020, 08:20:33 AM
For all the moaning and complaining about this playoff format making it harder for the best teams, the LCS will feature both #1 seeds and one #2 seed.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on October 10, 2020, 11:24:31 AM
For all the moaning and complaining about this playoff format making it harder for the best teams, the LCS will feature both #1 seeds and one #2 seed.
If anything, I think this format (and season) shows MLB could go back to 2 Divisions per league and just take the Top 2 teams by record from each Division. Then expand the DS round to 7 games to make up for the lost WC games, for game inventory for the networks

Of course, with unified rules, there may be a time that MLB scraps the whole AL/NL anyway, then there could simple be the North, South, East, and West Divisions (or however MLB would carve up the 30 teams into 4 MLB-Wide Divisions)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 10, 2020, 04:14:39 PM
For all the moaning and complaining about this playoff format making it harder for the best teams, the LCS will feature both #1 seeds and one #2 seed.
If anything, I think this format (and season) shows MLB could go back to 2 Divisions per league and just take the Top 2 teams by record from each Division. Then expand the DS round to 7 games to make up for the lost WC games, for game inventory for the networks

Of course, with unified rules, there may be a time that MLB scraps the whole AL/NL anyway, then there could simple be the North, South, East, and West Divisions (or however MLB would carve up the 30 teams into 4 MLB-Wide Divisions)

One of the positives of smaller divisions is more chances of division leaders.  There's not much fun in baseball when your team is in 3rd place with a good record.  And while Wild Card spots help add games to the playoffs, not many teams enjoy celebrating "Hey, we made it in as a Wild Card".
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 10, 2020, 05:08:28 PM
I see a reorganized profile of the Minors whenever they can play seasons again after the COVID pandemic is over.

Pacific Coast League (AAA):
Tacoma (Mariners), Portland (independent-the "Mavericks" debut in 2022), San Jose (A's-probable), Sacramento (Giants), Reno (possibly Padres, like the Class-A team they had in the 1970s-80s), Las Vegas (currently A's-could go to D'backs being close to Arizona), maybe Fresno (Nationals), Rancho Cucamonga (class-A Cal League could move up), El Paso (Padres-could become independent or co-op with Latin American pro teams), Salt Lake (Angels), Albuquerque (Rockies), Round Rock (Astros), San Antonio (Brewers), Oklahoma City demoted to double-A in Texas League with a new rival team in Lubbock in Texas, Wichita (Marlins), Omaha (Royals) and Iowa (Cubs).

Geographically, Memphis and Nashville would fare better in the current 14-team International League.

California League (class A):
Inland Empire (Angels), Lake Elsinore (Padres), High Desert (Rockies) the area had a Cal League team before 1991-2016, Lancaster (Dodgers) to replace contracted JetHawks, Visalia (D'backs), Modesto (Mariners), Stockton (A's) and San Jose could move to Santa Clara (Giants) with its history of Cal League teams before.

Western (Pecos) League (class A-AA level):
Bakersfield, California City, Wasco, Hollywood-L.A., Salinas, Monterey, Santa Cruz, Martinez, San Rafael and River Islands (Lathrop). Teams tend to fold or suspend operations.

Pacific Association (class Rookie-A level):
Sonoma, Napa, Vallejo, Pittsburg, California (Solano County) and Contra Costa County - not sure what city.

And the MiLB Dream League proposal, they acquired control of the St. Paul Saints and Sugar Land Skeeters. 3 cities in CA want a minor league team: Chico, Escondido and Ventura County. The league is unaffiliated and has prospect players who are not yet signed up to the majors. On TV news reports, Aberdeen MD, Burlington IO, Lowell MA and New York City's Brooklyn teams could be spared from contraction and join the MiLB Dream League. The Carolina, Eastern and Southern Leagues may expand to 2 teams each in order for each 30 major league teams have a class AAA, class AA and 2 class A farm teams each.

Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 10, 2020, 05:18:00 PM
For all the moaning and complaining about this playoff format making it harder for the best teams, the LCS will feature both #1 seeds and one #2 seed.
If anything, I think this format (and season) shows MLB could go back to 2 Divisions per league and just take the Top 2 teams by record from each Division. Then expand the DS round to 7 games to make up for the lost WC games, for game inventory for the networks

Of course, with unified rules, there may be a time that MLB scraps the whole AL/NL anyway, then there could simple be the North, South, East, and West Divisions (or however MLB would carve up the 30 teams into 4 MLB-Wide Divisions)
They're gonna want to go to 32 teams someday, and I think it'll be like the other 32 team leagues: 8 divisions, one winner from each, 3 playoff rounds.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 10, 2020, 05:21:50 PM
For all the moaning and complaining about this playoff format making it harder for the best teams, the LCS will feature both #1 seeds and one #2 seed.
If anything, I think this format (and season) shows MLB could go back to 2 Divisions per league and just take the Top 2 teams by record from each Division. Then expand the DS round to 7 games to make up for the lost WC games, for game inventory for the networks

Of course, with unified rules, there may be a time that MLB scraps the whole AL/NL anyway, then there could simple be the North, South, East, and West Divisions (or however MLB would carve up the 30 teams into 4 MLB-Wide Divisions)
They're gonna want to go to 32 teams someday, and I think it'll be like the other 32 team leagues: 8 divisions, one winner from each, 3 playoff rounds.

I doubt there will be MLB expansion, which means no more interleague play games and could bring back the Astros to the NL and Brewers in the AL. Not long ago, it appeared Portland OR was the most qualified for a MLB expansion team, but there was no other takers (to even the number of teams in the majors). I don't believe Montreal in Canada will be given a Les Expos deux (2).

Portland OR isn't going to get the majors after all, and thinking more about it, the MiLB Dream League should have the Mavericks instead of the PCL. I remember Japanese majors teams had affiliates in the USA: Lodi, Salinas and San Bernardino in the 1970s-90s period. A PCL Japanese co-op team would work, most likely located in former PCL city Honolulu in Hawaii.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: STLmapboy on October 10, 2020, 06:49:15 PM
I'm rooting for the Dodgers because they trounced the Padres who themselves beat the Cards. Also, I've always been fond of the National League for some weird reason.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 10, 2020, 08:19:23 PM
An earlier post mentionned a reduction of affiliates clubs in the minor leagues.

I saw this news posted last September involving the Frontier League and the American Association and the MLB.  https://www.mlb.com/press-release/american-association-frontier-league-partner-leagues-of-mlb

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Major League Baseball (MLB) announced today that it has named both the American Association and the Frontier League as “Partner Leagues” of MLB. The American Association and the Frontier League join the Atlantic League of Professional Baseball (ALPB), which was designated a Partner League earlier this week.

As Partner Leagues, the Frontier League and the American Association will collaborate with MLB on initiatives to provide organized baseball to communities throughout the United States and Canada.

Morgan Sword, MLB’s Executive Vice President, Baseball Economics & Operations, said: “We welcome the American Association and Frontier Leagues as Partner Leagues, and look forward to working with them toward our shared goal of expanding the geographic reach of baseball.”
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 10, 2020, 11:00:29 PM

I doubt there will be MLB expansion
that's enough reason for me to believe
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 10, 2020, 11:18:00 PM
I wonder how expansion would affect the ongoing minor league contraction/reaffiliaton. Would we see a return of co-ops, or would it just be “all right, I guess you get a team back after all”?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 11, 2020, 01:47:03 AM
I wonder how expansion would affect the ongoing minor league contraction/reaffiliaton. Would we see a return of co-ops, or would it just be “all right, I guess you get a team back after all”?

Certain teams may be moved to different levels depending on need. I predict there will be 2 AAA leagues (16 teams each), 3 AA leagues (10 teams each), Class-A Advanced has the Cal (8 teams), Carolina (12 teams) and Florida State (10 teams), and Class-A Low has the Midwest (14 teams) and South Atlantic (16 teams). There's still the Arizona rookie and Gulf Coast (in Florida) rookie leagues in spring training sites.

Edit: Wikipedia has the NYP and NW (short-season A) and Pioneer (Advanced Rookie) leagues still active, the Appalachian league is no loner in existence, and the independent Pecos League with 3 divisions: Pacific, Mountain and Central, though the California teams would become the Western League in 2021 separated from the parent: "true" Pecos League (their closest teams in Maricopa and Tucson, both in Arizona).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 11, 2020, 08:20:11 AM
For all the moaning and complaining about this playoff format making it harder for the best teams, the LCS will feature both #1 seeds and one #2 seed.
If anything, I think this format (and season) shows MLB could go back to 2 Divisions per league and just take the Top 2 teams by record from each Division. Then expand the DS round to 7 games to make up for the lost WC games, for game inventory for the networks

Of course, with unified rules, there may be a time that MLB scraps the whole AL/NL anyway, then there could simple be the North, South, East, and West Divisions (or however MLB would carve up the 30 teams into 4 MLB-Wide Divisions)
They're gonna want to go to 32 teams someday, and I think it'll be like the other 32 team leagues: 8 divisions, one winner from each, 3 playoff rounds.

I doubt there will be MLB expansion, which means no more interleague play games...

For as much grumbling as there is regarding interleague play, the fans that actually watch the games enjoy the interleague play. Interleague play started when there were 14 teams per league, so there's no reason why they wouldn't continue it should MLB have 16 teams per league.

Also, every other sport plays teams from the other league regularly.  Baseball "purists" get all whiny and upset about it, yet they generally have no issues with other changes to the sport.  From what I can tell, the extra innings rules this year, which was a dramatic change, was generally well received, and the 7 inning double headers, born out of necessity, went over fairly well too.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 11, 2020, 12:26:50 PM
For all the moaning and complaining about this playoff format making it harder for the best teams, the LCS will feature both #1 seeds and one #2 seed.
If anything, I think this format (and season) shows MLB could go back to 2 Divisions per league and just take the Top 2 teams by record from each Division. Then expand the DS round to 7 games to make up for the lost WC games, for game inventory for the networks

Of course, with unified rules, there may be a time that MLB scraps the whole AL/NL anyway, then there could simple be the North, South, East, and West Divisions (or however MLB would carve up the 30 teams into 4 MLB-Wide Divisions)
They're gonna want to go to 32 teams someday, and I think it'll be like the other 32 team leagues: 8 divisions, one winner from each, 3 playoff rounds.

I doubt there will be MLB expansion, which means no more interleague play games...

For as much grumbling as there is regarding interleague play, the fans that actually watch the games enjoy the interleague play. Interleague play started when there were 14 teams per league, so there's no reason why they wouldn't continue it should MLB have 16 teams per league.

Also, every other sport plays teams from the other league regularly.  Baseball "purists" get all whiny and upset about it, yet they generally have no issues with other changes to the sport.  From what I can tell, the extra innings rules this year, which was a dramatic change, was generally well received, and the 7 inning double headers, born out of necessity, went over fairly well too.

No, neither of those were well received.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 12, 2020, 04:11:51 PM
4 US-based winter leagues to have off-season baseball (the first is professional, 2 are instructional only, and later collegiate):

* Arizona Fall League (6 teams, owned and operated by Major League Baseball, all in the Phoenix AZ area, since 1992).
* Pecos Spring League in Houston, TX (owned and operated by said league, 4 teams share the same city, currently active).
* Western Winter League (owned and operated by Pecos League, 4 teams all in the Bakersfield CA area, might disbanded).
* California Winter League (owned by Palm Springs Collegiate League, 4 teams, not sure they're returning in 2021 or 2022).

In 2008 and 2020, the L.A. Dodgers talked to the city of Palm Springs on holding spring training camp in the city, where the LA/California/Anaheim Angels once did from 1961-93, both teams held spring training camp in the Phoenix area, AZ (the Angels in Tempe and Dodgers since 2009 in Glendale), but the Great Recession's economic damage locally and universally, and the COVID pandemic led to restrictions of sports events in many cities nationwide and globally, cancelled negotiations.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 12, 2020, 08:19:25 PM
RIP Joe Morgan
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: skquinn on October 12, 2020, 08:24:23 PM
For as much grumbling as there is regarding interleague play, the fans that actually watch the games enjoy the interleague play. Interleague play started when there were 14 teams per league, so there's no reason why they wouldn't continue it should MLB have 16 teams per league.

Also, every other sport plays teams from the other league regularly.  Baseball "purists" get all whiny and upset about it, yet they generally have no issues with other changes to the sport.  From what I can tell, the extra innings rules this year, which was a dramatic change, was generally well received, and the 7 inning double headers, born out of necessity, went over fairly well too.

The extra innings rule stinks and needs to disappear next year. The DH for the NL needs to disappear too, actually I wouldn't mind seeing it disappear for the AL as well.

I didn't watch any 7 inning double headers, but the statistical issues it brings up for shutouts, no hitters, and perfect games is enough for me to take at least a moderately strong stance against.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1 on October 12, 2020, 08:55:36 PM
My suggestion: If it’s tied, whoever got the most recent run first (by inning number and number of outs) wins. If it’s still a tie (this includes 0-0), continue to extra innings.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on October 12, 2020, 09:40:52 PM
RIP Joe Morgan
Shoot, looks like he passed away on my birthday this year. :(
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: skquinn on October 13, 2020, 10:01:27 AM
My suggestion: If it’s tied, whoever got the most recent run first (by inning number and number of outs) wins. If it’s still a tie (this includes 0-0), continue to extra innings.

An interesting idea but I doubt it will go over well.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1 on October 13, 2020, 10:21:57 AM
My suggestion: If it’s tied, whoever got the most recent run first (by inning number and number of outs) wins. If it’s still a tie (this includes 0-0), continue to extra innings.

An interesting idea but I doubt it will go over well.

I have the same idea for basketball and American football, where it would work much better. Baseball is a bit more complicated in that you can only score in one half of the inning, so a team that scores at 10:15 PM may score “later” than 10:25 PM in the second half of the same inning depending on the number of outs. Hockey and association football have too many 0-0 scores for this idea to work. (Baseball also has its 0-0 games, but adding one inning at a time is less problematic than overtime in other sports.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 13, 2020, 05:13:52 PM
My suggestion: If it’s tied, whoever got the most recent run first (by inning number and number of outs) wins. If it’s still a tie (this includes 0-0), continue to extra innings.

An interesting idea but I doubt it will go over well.

I have the same idea for basketball and American football, where it would work much better. Baseball is a bit more complicated in that you can only score in one half of the inning, so a team that scores at 10:15 PM may score “later” than 10:25 PM in the second half of the same inning depending on the number of outs. Hockey and association football have too many 0-0 scores for this idea to work. (Baseball also has its 0-0 games, but adding one inning at a time is less problematic than overtime in other sports.)

I have something a little bit different for football. There is an overtime where each team gets one possession. If the first team scores a touchdown, it is noted how many plays it took to score. If the second team scores in fewer plays they win, the same number of plays they continue to another overtime, and if it takes more plays they lose. Should cut down on the number of overtimes in college football.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 19, 2020, 10:28:30 AM
The World Series is all set: It'll be the Rays taking on the Dodgers in Arlington. As much as I'd love to see another championship won by a Tampa Bay team (following the Lightning's recent win in the Stanley Cup Final), I'll go L.A. in six.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on October 19, 2020, 04:03:57 PM
So the Rays ended the Astros season, but I am still amazed about what they accomplished this year.

If you had told me that the Astros would make it all the way to Game 7 of the ALCS when they were 6-9 fifteen games into the season and coming off an ugly loss to the A's where one of their coaches got ejected, or at the end of the regular season when they finished 29-31 and were playing lethargically, or even when they were down 3-0 earlier in the ALCS, I would've said no way.

I can't think of a baseball team that has managed to thrive with so much adversity thrown at it. The pitching staff (particularly the bullpen) was full of inexperienced players, they had a new manager, some of the best bats had bad seasons (Altuve, Bregman), nearly the entire team was plagued with injuries the entire time, with Verlander and Alvarez missing nearly the whole season and almost every starter missing time at some time or another, not to mention all the hate they've gotten and the Covid restrictions every team has endured.

Yet they still made Game 7 of the ALCS. Hate all you want at them, but I think this season was a success.

As for who I'm rooting for in the WS...
Go Rays!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on October 21, 2020, 09:29:49 AM
Go Rays, let's continue the trend of small market cities winning the WS
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Billy F 1988 on October 22, 2020, 06:21:46 PM
Watch all of South Florida forego COVID gathering restrictions when the Rays do win the series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1 on October 22, 2020, 06:24:32 PM
Watch all of South Florida forego COVID gathering restrictions when the Rays do win the series.

Most of Florida, including South Florida, is near the national average for COVID in recent cases. It's not like it was two months ago. That said, large groups should still be discouraged.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Billy F 1988 on October 22, 2020, 07:32:29 PM
Watch all of South Florida forego COVID gathering restrictions when the Rays do win the series.

Most of Florida, including South Florida, is near the national average for COVID in recent cases. It's not like it was two months ago. That said, large groups should still be discouraged.

True.  :)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 22, 2020, 09:37:09 PM
The Dodgers won game 1, then the Rays under Mr October 21st century Randy Arozarena, the series now tied 1-1. This is the Dodgers' 3rd World Series in 4 years and they hadn't won it since 1988 when they were "team of the 1980s" included their 1981 victory over the Yankees with Mexican phenom Fernando-mania Valenzuela. As a (southern) CA region native, I want the Dodgers to win, just like with the Lakers (NBA champs), I want the 49ers back in the super bowl and the Golden Knights not far from me are hockey's best. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 25, 2020, 12:20:39 AM
There's this forgotten thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=5534.0). Back when the last post to date was made there the Cubs had not won a World Series for over a century...

And I found this other forgotten thread about baseball, but I have something to share:

There's a minor league baseball team logo features a full moon: Asheville NC Tourists of the South Atlantic League (class A) and has been a Colorado Rockies affiliate for over 25 (exactly 27) years since the major league parent debuted in 1993.

https://www.google.com/search?q=asheville+tourists&rlz=1CATTSD_enUS897&sxsrf=ALeKk02bx0dWM0vEEEEpDDbJOktMvJH3wQ:1603598495311&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiWjbP17c7sAhXJqZ4KHc0-DmsQ_AUoAXoECAQQAw&biw=1366&bih=649

https://www.milb.com/asheville (for the logo of a Moon-man's face).

The minors from MLB affiliated to independent to collegiate level (not quite the minors) bring baseball into your hometown.

Hopefully, the pandemic shortened 2020 season ends with a Dodgers victory (they lead 2-2 after the Tampa Bay Rays won game 4 a minute ago). The MLB selected 6 neutral game sites in southern CA (LA and San Diego), FL and TX (the world series in Arlington) but I like a repeat world series next year for home fans in Los Angeles (Dodger stadium) and Tampa-St Petersburg areas.

The NL's Chicago Cubs in 2016 was "a sign of the end of the world", same hype back in (December 21) 2012 and the COVID pandemic in 2020 is expected to cease like all historic pandemics do, baseball is an escape from the fear and darkness in this sick sad world. The Cubs took longer (108 years) to win a world series than their crosstown White Sox (88 years), the other (Red) Sox (shorter in 86 years) and the 1980 Phillies after 98 years (almost a century). All I know is the Dodgers hadn't had a world title since 1988...a long 33 years, but the AL's Cleveland Indians hadn't won it longer for over 70 (exactly 72) years. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 28, 2020, 10:35:21 AM
It happened again: The Dodgers and Lakers winning championships in the same year (they also did it in 1988). If the Rays had come back and won, wouldn't that have been the first time that a city/metropolitan area had World Series and Stanley Cup champions in the same year?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 28, 2020, 11:33:23 AM
It happened again: The Dodgers and Lakers winning championships in the same year (they also did it in 1988). If the Rays had come back and won, wouldn't that have been the first time that a city/metropolitan area had World Series and Stanley Cup champions in the same year?

1928: New York Rangers and Yankees
1933: New York Rangers and Giants
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 28, 2020, 08:11:33 PM
It happened again: The Dodgers and Lakers winning championships in the same year (they also did it in 1988). If the Rays had come back and won, wouldn't that have been the first time that a city/metropolitan area had World Series and Stanley Cup champions in the same year?

1928: New York Rangers and Yankees
1933: New York Rangers and Giants

If only there wasn't a strike in 1994, who knows if the NY Rangers and Yankees would had been champions in the same year?

And in football, the Red Wings and the Lions had won the Stanley Cup and the NFL championship (pre-Super Bowl era) in the same year in 1952.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 28, 2020, 09:03:55 PM
It happened again: The Dodgers and Lakers winning championships in the same year (they also did it in 1988). If the Rays had come back and won, wouldn't that have been the first time that a city/metropolitan area had World Series and Stanley Cup champions in the same year?

1928: New York Rangers and Yankees
1933: New York Rangers and Giants

If only there wasn't a strike in 1994, who knows if the NY Rangers and Yankees would had been champions in the same year?

And in football, the Red Wings and the Lions had won the Stanley Cup and the NFL championship (pre-Super Bowl era) in the same year in 1952.
Les Expos would have won in the alternate 1994 where they stay in Montréal.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on December 09, 2020, 05:40:39 PM
I am pleased to announce that the Jacksonville Jumbo Shrimp are now the AAA affiliate of the Miami Marlins (and will play as part of the AAA East).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on December 13, 2020, 09:32:43 PM
Cleveland Indians are going to change their name.

No word on whether they’re going to become the Cleveland Redskins instead. :bigass:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on December 13, 2020, 09:49:12 PM
Cleveland Indians are going to change their name.

No word on whether they’re going to become the Cleveland Redskins instead. :bigass:

How about Red Jays, as an opposition to the Toronto Blue Jays just like the Red Sox and the White Sox?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on December 13, 2020, 10:32:47 PM
Cleveland Indians are going to change their name.

No word on whether they’re going to become the Cleveland Redskins instead. :bigass:
Cleveland River Flames
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on December 13, 2020, 10:48:11 PM
Saw this riff on Chief Wahoo on another forum:

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201214/309f4be0ed816a701128e497754d6a94.jpg)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1 on December 14, 2020, 08:05:45 AM
Ideas for what they could be if they move into the suburbs:
Parma Hams
Euclid Mathematicians
Avon Cosmetics
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kurumi on December 14, 2020, 12:33:42 PM
As a Spinal Tap fan, I'm favoring a name change to "Hello Cleveland"
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 14, 2020, 01:21:13 PM
The Cleveland Rocks 

:bigass:

Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on December 14, 2020, 02:51:21 PM
When Cleveland, OH was without an NFL team, Tom Batiuk had an ongoing background setting of the characters in his comic strip Funky Winkerbean (set in suburban NE Ohio) rooting for a fictional NFL team called the 'Cleveland Rockers' and using a stylized image of the R&R HoF as their helmet logo.

Maybe that could be an inspiration.

Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on December 14, 2020, 03:34:34 PM
I would rename them the Cleveland Cubs, since they have now the longest championship drought :evilgrin:. Ironically the Cubs ended theirs against Cleveland.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on December 14, 2020, 04:15:33 PM
I’ll be surprised if they don’t change it to the Spiders. Or maybe Cleveland Baseball Team.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: oscar on December 14, 2020, 04:32:51 PM
I’ll be surprised if they don’t change it to the Spiders. Or maybe Cleveland Baseball Team.

AIUI, the plan is to keep the Indians name for the 2021 season. That means more time to select a less generic, permanent new name, than the Redskins had for their hasty interim name change.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on December 15, 2020, 09:42:55 AM
Spiders would be a cool name, plus recognizes the original team
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on December 15, 2020, 12:00:00 PM
Spiders would be a cool name, plus recognizes the original team

While we're at it, how about Sockalexis? As a tribute to Louis Sockalexis, a player of the Spiders. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Sockalexis

They could also use names from others sports like the Barons or using other birds or feline names like Lynx, Falcons, etc...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Scott5114 on December 15, 2020, 11:28:29 PM
When Cleveland, OH was without an NFL team, Tom Batiuk had an ongoing background setting of the characters in his comic strip Funky Winkerbean ... Maybe that could be an inspiration.

If so, that would mark the first time anyone was inspired, rather than depressed, by Funky Winkerbean.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 16, 2020, 05:25:50 PM
the plan is to keep the Indians name for the 2021 season. That means more time to select a less generic, permanent new name, than the Redskins had for their hasty interim name change.

They don't have a sexual harassment scandal they are trying to distract attention from?  That's why the 'skins rushed the ignominious change, after all.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on December 16, 2020, 11:41:51 PM
I can see them called the Spiders, but unfortunately, that name has lots of baggage attached to it, thanks to that notoriously historic 1899 season in which they lost 134 games (out of 154). Of course that spelled the end of NL baseball in Cleveland, but their AL successors have done a lot better, with five pennants and two World Series championships (even though they haven't won since 1948).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 18, 2020, 11:01:40 AM
Spiders ain't gonna work for the simple reason that most people hate spiders.

Lean on the city's status as a port and call 'em the Cleveland Dockers.  They'll have a built-in corporate sponsor.  Free khakis night at the ball park!  It'll be great.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 18, 2020, 07:19:26 PM
I saw this on someone's Facebook page who I believe is a member here, so apologies for stealing it.

It's a fairly good history of the Fleer Baseball card company, its rise and fall from fame, and some of its disputes with Topps.

https://hiddencityphila.org/2016/02/dubble-bubble-baseball-cards-philadelphias-fleer-legacy/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on December 18, 2020, 09:51:47 PM
Spiders ain't gonna work for the simple reason that most people hate spiders.

Lean on the city's status as a port and call 'em the Cleveland Dockers.  They'll have a built-in corporate sponsor.  Free khakis night at the ball park!  It'll be great.

Unless playing on some namegames like Spidey or if Marvel comics don't ask too much for name rights, the Spider-man. ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on December 18, 2020, 10:46:17 PM
With MLB recognizing seven Negro Leagues that played from 1920 through 1948 as full 'Major Leagues' for all purposes, there will be some changes in the record book.  Some of these will be significant as there was some incredible talent that played in those circuits during those years.

A few examples:

- Willy Mays will now be credited with 661 instead of 660 career home runs.  He had 11 base hits, including one home run, during a stint with the Birmingham Black Barons of the Negro American League in 1948.

- Josh Gibson will now hold the record for highest single-season batting average (minimum 3.1 plate appearances/games played by his team in the entire season).  He hit .466 with the Homestead Grays of the Negro National League in 1943.  This is two years after Ted Williams hit .406 with the Boston Red Sox in 1941.  Gibson's record will supplant Hugh Duffy at #1, who hit .440 for the Boston Beaneaters (now Atlanta Braves) in 1894.  Gibson would have dominated all of Baseball as a hitter during his career had he been able to.

- Ted Williams and Babe Ruth will both likely drop out of the top ten in career batting averages.

Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on December 19, 2020, 11:47:53 AM
^^^^^

The weird thing is that seemingly every stats site I view gives different numbers. From what I understand, that’s always been a difficulty with Negro League statistics—they simply weren’t maintained as religiously as MLB statistics were at the time and it’s therefore hard to reconstruct them. Either way, there’s no doubt that by all accounts Josh Gibson was an incredible hitter.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on December 19, 2020, 12:51:36 PM
^^^^^

The weird thing is that seemingly every stats site I view gives different numbers. From what I understand, that’s always been a difficulty with Negro League statistics—they simply weren’t maintained as religiously as MLB statistics were at the time and it’s therefore hard to reconstruct them. Either way, there’s no doubt that by all accounts Josh Gibson was an incredible hitter.

An article that I read a couple of days ago said that there are statisticians who have been going over pretty much everything that they can find over the past couple of decades, old scorebooks, newspapers, everything, reconstructing and confirming these stats.  Only recently was a box score found and confirmed to credit Mays with that 661st home run (which had previously only been rumored, even though he was known to have reached base 11 times that season) in 1948.

Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: rawmustard on January 08, 2021, 12:41:11 PM
Legendary Dodgers manager Tommy Lasorda has died aged 93 (https://www.latimes.com/obituaries/story/2021-01-08/dodgers-legendary-manager-tom-lasorda-dies-at-age-93-heart-attack).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on January 08, 2021, 02:41:36 PM
Legendary Dodgers manager Tommy Lasorda has died aged 93 (https://www.latimes.com/obituaries/story/2021-01-08/dodgers-legendary-manager-tom-lasorda-dies-at-age-93-heart-attack).
Oof, may he RIP.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 08, 2021, 09:05:04 PM
Legendary Dodgers manager Tommy Lasorda has died aged 93 (https://www.latimes.com/obituaries/story/2021-01-08/dodgers-legendary-manager-tom-lasorda-dies-at-age-93-heart-attack).


He did not like the Philly Phanatic!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on January 19, 2021, 10:26:10 AM
While I remain fiercely loyal to the Cubs, my daughter shares no such ties, instead bleeding Dodger blue, since she was born in L.A. But I'll let it slide in light of the passing of one of the greatest managers of all time. Although Lasorda's many antics got on my nerves a lot, at least he always made damn sure his team got it done when it mattered the most, and the Dodgers can thank him for those two World Series titles he gave them back in the 80s.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on January 21, 2021, 04:57:35 PM
I'll always remember this moment from the 2001 All Star Game:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: rawmustard on January 22, 2021, 11:48:57 AM
And now Hammerin' Hank has passed at 86 (https://www.mlb.com/news/hank-aaron-baseball-legend-dies).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on January 27, 2021, 11:02:58 AM
Not surprisingly, Cooperstown has once again rejected Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and Curt Schilling (who later asked to be removed from the ballot). It just goes to show how tainted the 90s really were, with those PEDs. And yes, it's sad to hear that the real home run king is now dead and gone.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: I-39 on January 27, 2021, 11:07:48 AM
Not surprisingly, Cooperstown has once again rejected Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and Curt Schilling (who later asked to be removed from the ballot). It just goes to show how tainted the 90s really were, with those PEDs. And yes, it's sad to hear that the real home run king is now dead and gone.

Was Schilling ever implicated for using steroids, or is the reason he isn't in Cooperstown more related to his outspoken views?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on January 27, 2021, 11:10:23 AM
As far as I know, Schilling was never linked with PEDs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: TheHighwayMan394 on January 27, 2021, 06:29:23 PM
He’s a borderline HOF player. 216 wins and an average ERA. He built his legacy as a great postseason player, certainly helped by being part of the two most dramatic/memorable postseason games of the last 20 years. I hate his views, but I don’t like voters wanting to use that as part of their criteria; Barry Bonds being a legendary douche to the media probably doesn’t help him any more than his PED use.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: brad2971 on January 27, 2021, 06:53:38 PM
He’s a borderline HOF player. 216 wins and an average ERA. He built his legacy as a great postseason player, certainly helped by being part of the two most dramatic/memorable postseason games of the last 20 years. I hate his views, but I don’t like voters wanting to use that as part of their criteria; Barry Bonds being a legendary douche to the media probably doesn’t help him any more than his PED use.

Barry Bonds was vindicated by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals a few years back when that court threw out his conviction for obstruction of justice in the BALCO case. And that conviction came about because the prosecutors didn't like Barry going the roundabout way to an affirmative answer in grand jury testimony.

If MLB and its Hall of Fame are holding that against Barry, it wouldn't be the first time. After all, Shoeless Joe Jackson was vindicated by a Chicago jury in the Black Sox scandal, but that didn't stop MLB's long-standing grudge against him.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on January 27, 2021, 07:41:38 PM
He’s a borderline HOF player. 216 wins and an average ERA. He built his legacy as a great postseason player, certainly helped by being part of the two most dramatic/memorable postseason games of the last 20 years. I hate his views, but I don’t like voters wanting to use that as part of their criteria; Barry Bonds being a legendary douche to the media probably doesn’t help him any more than his PED use.

Barry Bonds was vindicated by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals a few years back when that court threw out his conviction for obstruction of justice in the BALCO case. And that conviction came about because the prosecutors didn't like Barry going the roundabout way to an affirmative answer in grand jury testimony.

If MLB and its Hall of Fame are holding that against Barry, it wouldn't be the first time. After all, Shoeless Joe Jackson was vindicated by a Chicago jury in the Black Sox scandal, but that didn't stop MLB's long-standing grudge against him.
There is very little doubt that Barroid was a user, regardless of court cases. Schilling... IMO his playing career deserves inclusion, and since he wasn't that outspokenly awful during his career, he likely makes it at some point.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: I-39 on January 27, 2021, 07:48:00 PM
He’s a borderline HOF player. 216 wins and an average ERA. He built his legacy as a great postseason player, certainly helped by being part of the two most dramatic/memorable postseason games of the last 20 years. I hate his views, but I don’t like voters wanting to use that as part of their criteria; Barry Bonds being a legendary douche to the media probably doesn’t help him any more than his PED use.

What? You mean you weren’t a fan of Bonds on Bonds back in the day on ESPN?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 27, 2021, 07:56:47 PM
He’s a borderline HOF player. 216 wins and an average ERA. He built his legacy as a great postseason player, certainly helped by being part of the two most dramatic/memorable postseason games of the last 20 years. I hate his views, but I don’t like voters wanting to use that as part of their criteria; Barry Bonds being a legendary douche to the media probably doesn’t help him any more than his PED use.

Barry Bonds was vindicated by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals a few years back when that court threw out his conviction for obstruction of justice in the BALCO case. And that conviction came about because the prosecutors didn't like Barry going the roundabout way to an affirmative answer in grand jury testimony.

If MLB and its Hall of Fame are holding that against Barry, it wouldn't be the first time. After all, Shoeless Joe Jackson was vindicated by a Chicago jury in the Black Sox scandal, but that didn't stop MLB's long-standing grudge against him.

Vindicated or not the dude was an obvious hard core steroid user for the second half of his career.  You don’t get a giant head like that from working out with a personal trainer.  I would say that I believe his career before the obvious steroid use was hall of fame worthy. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on January 27, 2021, 08:06:41 PM
He’s a borderline HOF player. 216 wins and an average ERA. He built his legacy as a great postseason player, certainly helped by being part of the two most dramatic/memorable postseason games of the last 20 years. I hate his views, but I don’t like voters wanting to use that as part of their criteria; Barry Bonds being a legendary douche to the media probably doesn’t help him any more than his PED use.
He also had over 3,000 strikeouts, a threshold that normally is a lock for the Hall. So far, only he and Clemens have reached the threshold without being inducted yet. (CC Sabathia isn’t eligible yet, and Justin Verlander is obviously still active.) I agree with you and Alps that his views, while, uh, questionable at best, aren’t necessarily tied to his playing career, though (and I know I’m treading on thin ice here, sorry mods) there were reports of writers asking the Hall to remove him from their ballots after the Capitol riots, and, as one writer said, “Mariano Rivera is a Trump supporter and was still elected unanimously.”
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: webny99 on January 27, 2021, 08:23:00 PM
I'm going to post this here because it's relevant to this discussion and I found it interesting, even as someone who knows comparatively little about baseball (relevant discussion begins with 25:47 remaining):

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wait-was-the-green-bay-field-goal-the-right-call/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 28, 2021, 11:35:14 AM
Quote
Schilling... IMO his playing career deserves inclusion, and since he wasn't that outspokenly awful during his career, he likely makes it at some point.
He’s a borderline HOF player. 216 wins and an average ERA. He built his legacy as a great postseason player, certainly helped by being part of the two most dramatic/memorable postseason games of the last 20 years. I hate his views, but I don’t like voters wanting to use that as part of their criteria; Barry Bonds being a legendary douche to the media probably doesn’t help him any more than his PED use.
He also had over 3,000 strikeouts, a threshold that normally is a lock for the Hall. So far, only he and Clemens have reached the threshold without being inducted yet. (CC Sabathia isn’t eligible yet, and Justin Verlander is obviously still active.) I agree with you and Alps that his views, while, uh, questionable at best, aren’t necessarily tied to his playing career, though (and I know I’m treading on thin ice here, sorry mods) there were reports of writers asking the Hall to remove him from their ballots after the Capitol riots, and, as one writer said, “Mariano Rivera is a Trump supporter and was still elected unanimously.”

I agree that Schilling deserves inclusion based on his playing career.   His playing career was close to John Smoltz as a starter IMO, and he definitely had much more postseason success (since his teams won the World Series 3 times (DBacks in 2001, Red Sox in 2004 and 2007).

Beyond political opinions, I wonder if there may be some Yankee fans still against his inclusion because they may not believe that the bloody sock in the 2004 ALCS was real. 

Considering that Ty Cobb is in the Hall of Fame, I expect a Veterans Committee to put Schilling in eventually.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on March 30, 2021, 10:12:16 AM
Thursday is Opening Day, with a full slate of games planned:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/schedule/_/date/20210401

(My Cubs are hosting the Pirates that afternoon.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on March 30, 2021, 05:34:27 PM
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Schilling... IMO his playing career deserves inclusion, and since he wasn't that outspokenly awful during his career, he likely makes it at some point.
He’s a borderline HOF player. 216 wins and an average ERA. He built his legacy as a great postseason player, certainly helped by being part of the two most dramatic/memorable postseason games of the last 20 years. I hate his views, but I don’t like voters wanting to use that as part of their criteria; Barry Bonds being a legendary douche to the media probably doesn’t help him any more than his PED use.
He also had over 3,000 strikeouts, a threshold that normally is a lock for the Hall. So far, only he and Clemens have reached the threshold without being inducted yet. (CC Sabathia isn’t eligible yet, and Justin Verlander is obviously still active.) I agree with you and Alps that his views, while, uh, questionable at best, aren’t necessarily tied to his playing career, though (and I know I’m treading on thin ice here, sorry mods) there were reports of writers asking the Hall to remove him from their ballots after the Capitol riots, and, as one writer said, “Mariano Rivera is a Trump supporter and was still elected unanimously.”

I agree that Schilling deserves inclusion based on his playing career.   His playing career was close to John Smoltz as a starter IMO, and he definitely had much more postseason success (since his teams won the World Series 3 times (DBacks in 2001, Red Sox in 2004 and 2007).

Beyond political opinions, I wonder if there may be some Yankee fans still against his inclusion because they may not believe that the bloody sock in the 2004 ALCS was real. 

Considering that Ty Cobb is in the Hall of Fame, I expect a Veterans Committee to put Schilling in eventually.
The bloody sock was real, but his public statements do affect a certain number of voters, and that may be just enough to keep him out. At least for now. To me, I recall him paired with Randy Johnson, and Randy was unquestionably more formidable.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 01, 2021, 07:30:06 AM
IT'S OPENING DAY!

White Sox are opening in Anaheim, where it's expected to be 79 degrees at the 7pm PDT first pitch.

Meanwhile, that other Chicago team opens at home, where it's expected to be 38 degrees at the 1pm CDT first pitch.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on April 01, 2021, 10:11:42 AM
Time for the AL MVP to defend his title
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on April 01, 2021, 10:32:02 AM
IT'S OPENING DAY!

White Sox are opening in Anaheim, where it's expected to be 79 degrees at the 7pm PDT first pitch.

Meanwhile, that other Chicago team opens at home, where it's expected to be 38 degrees at the 1pm CDT first pitch.
Actually, the White Sox would be referred to as "that other Chicago team", because the Cubs are far more popular everywhere, with the exception of the South and (possibly) West Sides.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CtrlAltDel on April 01, 2021, 01:26:27 PM
IT'S OPENING DAY!

White Sox are opening in Anaheim, where it's expected to be 79 degrees at the 7pm PDT first pitch.

Meanwhile, that other Chicago team opens at home, where it's expected to be 38 degrees at the 1pm CDT first pitch.
Actually, the White Sox would be referred to as "that other Chicago team", because the Cubs are far more popular everywhere, with the exception of the South and (possibly) West Sides.

That's right. The White Sox are that "that other Chicago team," even with respect to the Chicago White Sox.  :-D
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on April 01, 2021, 03:34:25 PM
IT'S OPENING DAY!

White Sox are opening in Anaheim, where it's expected to be 79 degrees at the 7pm PDT first pitch.

Meanwhile, that other Chicago team opens at home, where it's expected to be 38 degrees at the 1pm CDT first pitch.
Actually, the White Sox would be referred to as "that other Chicago team", because the Cubs are far more popular everywhere, with the exception of the South and (possibly) West Sides.

That's right. The White Sox are that "that other Chicago team," even with respect to the Chicago White Sox.  :-D

Its ok, the Cubs will be "that other Chicago team" when we eventually win the World Series with this core
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: LM117 on April 02, 2021, 04:08:26 PM
The All-Star game has been pulled from Atlanta.

https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game (https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on April 02, 2021, 04:14:59 PM
The All-Star game has been pulled from Atlanta.

https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game (https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game)
Don't want to get too political but this seems similar to the situation in North Carolina with the bathrooms.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 02, 2021, 04:20:11 PM
The All-Star game has been pulled from Atlanta.

https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game (https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game)
Don't want to get too political but this seems similar to the situation in North Carolina with the bathrooms.

Just the beginning for Georgia. Atlanta is almost certainly out of the running for consideration for future Super Bowls, Final Fours or any other NCAA championship events. ACC may not allow GaTech to host any championship events.

Biggest question is whether a critical mass of golfers forces the Masters to move. Not this year since it's coming up so soon, but I can see it happening next year if things don't change before then.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on April 02, 2021, 04:25:06 PM

Biggest question is whether a critical mass of golfers forces the Masters to move. Not this year since it's coming up so soon, but I can see it happening next year if things don't change before then.
I don't see the Masters moving under any circumstances.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on April 02, 2021, 04:26:28 PM

Biggest question is whether a critical mass of golfers forces the Masters to move. Not this year since it's coming up so soon, but I can see it happening next year if things don't change before then.
I don't see the Masters moving under any circumstances.
Probably not, considering the demographics of golf...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: TheHighwayMan394 on April 02, 2021, 04:33:56 PM
I'd argue the venue is *the* Masters. You can play the World Series or Super Bowl in any one of 30 cities, whatever, it still works. The Masters is something you can't.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on April 02, 2021, 04:35:33 PM
I'd argue the venue is *the* Masters. You can play the World Series or Super Bowl in any one of 30 cities, whatever, it still works. The Masters is something you can't.
Why not? Is Augusta that special?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on April 02, 2021, 08:07:04 PM
The All-Star game has been pulled from Atlanta.

https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game (https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game)
Don't want to get too political but this seems similar to the situation in North Carolina with the bathrooms.

Just the beginning for Georgia. Atlanta is almost certainly out of the running for consideration for future Super Bowls, Final Fours or any other NCAA championship events. ACC may not allow GaTech to host any championship events.

Biggest question is whether a critical mass of golfers forces the Masters to move. Not this year since it's coming up so soon, but I can see it happening next year if things don't change before then.
And on top of that there are now calls for boycotts of all products made in GA, namely Coca-Cola, Delta Airlines and The Home Depot.

Speaking of which, the Astros' ballpark has the name of a Coke product (Minute Maid) on it. Will this affect them in any way? (because it's the last thing they need, having been scrutinized for their alleged cheating over the past five years)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on April 02, 2021, 10:33:22 PM
The All-Star game has been pulled from Atlanta.

https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game (https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game)
Don't want to get too political but this seems similar to the situation in North Carolina with the bathrooms.

Just the beginning for Georgia. Atlanta is almost certainly out of the running for consideration for future Super Bowls, Final Fours or any other NCAA championship events. ACC may not allow GaTech to host any championship events.

Biggest question is whether a critical mass of golfers forces the Masters to move. Not this year since it's coming up so soon, but I can see it happening next year if things don't change before then.
And on top of that there are now calls for boycotts of all products made in GA, namely Coca-Cola, Delta Airlines and The Home Depot.

Speaking of which, the Astros' ballpark has the name of a Coke product (Minute Maid) on it. Will this affect them in any way? (because it's the last thing they need, having been scrutinized for their alleged cheating over the past five years)
Wow I thought Coke was already being boycotted by some on the other side of the political spectrum for different reasons. Does this strike anyone else as incredibly silly and spiteful?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on April 03, 2021, 12:01:30 AM
Ahhhhh, The Masters™ is the *property* of the Augusta National Golf Club.  The two are inseparable and the Club can end it whenever they want.  It was created, nurtured and tightly controlled by the ANGC and their membership since the 1930s.

Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on April 03, 2021, 12:04:07 AM
The All-Star game has been pulled from Atlanta.

https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game (https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game)
Don't want to get too political but this seems similar to the situation in North Carolina with the bathrooms.

Just the beginning for Georgia. Atlanta is almost certainly out of the running for consideration for future Super Bowls, Final Fours or any other NCAA championship events. ACC may not allow GaTech to host any championship events.

Biggest question is whether a critical mass of golfers forces the Masters to move. Not this year since it's coming up so soon, but I can see it happening next year if things don't change before then.
And on top of that there are now calls for boycotts of all products made in GA, namely Coca-Cola, Delta Airlines and The Home Depot.

Speaking of which, the Astros' ballpark has the name of a Coke product (Minute Maid) on it. Will this affect them in any way? (because it's the last thing they need, having been scrutinized for their alleged cheating over the past five years)
Wow I thought Coke was already being boycotted by some on the other side of the political spectrum for different reasons. Does this strike anyone else as incredibly silly and spiteful?
It's not Coke's fault that they're located in Georgia. You want them to up and move because their state passed a law you disagreed with? Yikes.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: oscar on April 04, 2021, 01:53:25 AM

Biggest question is whether a critical mass of golfers forces the Masters to move. Not this year since it's coming up so soon, but I can see it happening next year if things don't change before then.
I don't see the Masters moving under any circumstances.

I agree, for reasons noted by others. Also, the Augusta National club, which holds the Masters, held fast against boycott efforts in 2003 over its policy (since rescinded) against female members. It canceled TV sponsorships that year, but went forward with the tournament, and with televising the event without sponsors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masters_Tournament#United_States_television).

The PGA has also announced that it isn't moving its Tour Championship in Atlanta area, scheduled for August, as well as a parallel women's tour event also in Atlanta.

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/31191183/pga-tour-responds-georgia-voting-law-not-moving-tour-championship
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: cwf1701 on April 04, 2021, 07:26:55 PM
and What about the SEC Playoffs? Could the NCAA or College Football playoff Committee try to pressure Georgia by simply not ranking any SEC team in the top 10 if the SEC Playoffs stay in Atlanta? Consider the possibility of a 13-0 Alabama team not even making the playoffs because they played the championship game in Atlanta, could we see the "Woke" in Alabama rise up against the GA law, and those supporting the GA law boycott the playoffs?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on April 04, 2021, 07:59:32 PM
The All-Star game has been pulled from Atlanta.

https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game (https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game)
Don't want to get too political but this seems similar to the situation in North Carolina with the bathrooms.

Just the beginning for Georgia. Atlanta is almost certainly out of the running for consideration for future Super Bowls, Final Fours or any other NCAA championship events. ACC may not allow GaTech to host any championship events.

Biggest question is whether a critical mass of golfers forces the Masters to move. Not this year since it's coming up so soon, but I can see it happening next year if things don't change before then.
And on top of that there are now calls for boycotts of all products made in GA, namely Coca-Cola, Delta Airlines and The Home Depot.

Speaking of which, the Astros' ballpark has the name of a Coke product (Minute Maid) on it. Will this affect them in any way? (because it's the last thing they need, having been scrutinized for their alleged cheating over the past five years)
Wow I thought Coke was already being boycotted by some on the other side of the political spectrum for different reasons. Does this strike anyone else as incredibly silly and spiteful?
It's not Coke's fault that they're located in Georgia. You want them to up and move because their state passed a law you disagreed with? Yikes.
The reason why Coke is being boycotted by some is a controversial training video that was leaked out.  I won’t divulge the details in this forum.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on April 04, 2021, 10:34:13 PM
The All-Star game has been pulled from Atlanta.

https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game (https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game)
Don't want to get too political but this seems similar to the situation in North Carolina with the bathrooms.

Just the beginning for Georgia. Atlanta is almost certainly out of the running for consideration for future Super Bowls, Final Fours or any other NCAA championship events. ACC may not allow GaTech to host any championship events.

Biggest question is whether a critical mass of golfers forces the Masters to move. Not this year since it's coming up so soon, but I can see it happening next year if things don't change before then.
And on top of that there are now calls for boycotts of all products made in GA, namely Coca-Cola, Delta Airlines and The Home Depot.

Speaking of which, the Astros' ballpark has the name of a Coke product (Minute Maid) on it. Will this affect them in any way? (because it's the last thing they need, having been scrutinized for their alleged cheating over the past five years)
Wow I thought Coke was already being boycotted by some on the other side of the political spectrum for different reasons. Does this strike anyone else as incredibly silly and spiteful?
It's not Coke's fault that they're located in Georgia. You want them to up and move because their state passed a law you disagreed with? Yikes.
The reason why Coke is being boycotted by some is a controversial training video that was leaked out.  I won’t divulge the details in this forum.
I was just going with the general "boycott anything in GA." I'll have to examine that separately.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on April 06, 2021, 12:40:09 PM
The All Star game is now in Colorado.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on April 07, 2021, 09:26:37 AM
The All Star game is now in Colorado.

HR Derby is gonna be fun to watch
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: LM117 on April 08, 2021, 09:43:28 AM
The All-Star game has been pulled from Atlanta.

https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game (https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game)
Don't want to get too political but this seems similar to the situation in North Carolina with the bathrooms.

Yep, and we know how that story ended...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 03, 2021, 04:50:10 PM
The Detroit Tigers are the worst team in baseball and I couldn't be happier.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on May 04, 2021, 09:46:11 AM
And it looks like the Cubs are back to their old losing ways...ah well, it was fun while it lasted.

(We'll always cherish their recent glory years, especially 2016!)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 04, 2021, 10:40:58 AM
And it looks like the Cubs are back to their old losing ways...ah well, it was fun while it lasted.

(We'll always cherish their recent glory years, especially 2016!)
Maybe it will be 2124 when they win their next world series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on May 12, 2021, 10:16:20 AM
The clock is now ticking for the A's: Either they get a new ballpark built in Oakland, or seek to relocate elsewhere, and chances are they'll follow the Raiders to Las Vegas.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 12, 2021, 10:17:15 AM
The clock is now ticking for the A's: Either they get a new ballpark built in Oakland, or seek to relocate elsewhere, and chances are they'll follow the Raiders to Las Vegas.

I don't think the A's can succeed in Vegas. I think their best bet is Montreal.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: rawmustard on May 12, 2021, 03:27:01 PM
I don't think the A's can succeed in Vegas. I think their best bet is Montreal.

I don't think Montreal is clamoring for another MLB franchise. If the Aviators (coincidentally Oakland's Triple-A affiliate) draw significant numbers, it's not unreasonable MLB might want to tap that market. If they were to move to Canada and not be horribly misaligned, Vancouver would be a good option.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on May 12, 2021, 06:00:26 PM
I don't think the A's can succeed in Vegas. I think their best bet is Montreal.

I don't think Montreal is clamoring for another MLB franchise. If the Aviators (coincidentally Oakland's Triple-A affiliate) draw significant numbers, it's not unreasonable MLB might want to tap that market. If they were to move to Canada and not be horribly misaligned, Vancouver would be a good option.
I suggest this discussion continue in https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29306.0.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on May 15, 2021, 12:38:11 PM
I don't think the A's can succeed in Vegas. I think their best bet is Montreal.

I don't think Montreal is clamoring for another MLB franchise. If the Aviators (coincidentally Oakland's Triple-A affiliate) draw significant numbers, it's not unreasonable MLB might want to tap that market. If they were to move to Canada and not be horribly misaligned, Vancouver would be a good option.

In that case, they'd probably move to the AL East, Tampa Bay to the Central (to keep Toronto in the East with them), and KC to the West. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on May 17, 2021, 10:40:42 AM
I don't think the A's can succeed in Vegas. I think their best bet is Montreal.

I don't think Montreal is clamoring for another MLB franchise. If the Aviators (coincidentally Oakland's Triple-A affiliate) draw significant numbers, it's not unreasonable MLB might want to tap that market. If they were to move to Canada and not be horribly misaligned, Vancouver would be a good option.

In that case, they'd probably move to the AL East, Tampa Bay to the Central (to keep Toronto in the East with them), and KC to the West. 
Or Toronto could move to the Central instead of Tampa Bay.

On another note, although I'd love to see a team in Nashville, I think Memphis deserves one too.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 17, 2021, 10:42:32 AM
I don't think the A's can succeed in Vegas. I think their best bet is Montreal.

I don't think Montreal is clamoring for another MLB franchise. If the Aviators (coincidentally Oakland's Triple-A affiliate) draw significant numbers, it's not unreasonable MLB might want to tap that market. If they were to move to Canada and not be horribly misaligned, Vancouver would be a good option.

In that case, they'd probably move to the AL East, Tampa Bay to the Central (to keep Toronto in the East with them), and KC to the West.
Tampa Bay in the central would be so wonky, Toronto is more inland than Tampa Bay.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on May 17, 2021, 04:38:44 PM
Ah screw the Braves; they don't get ALL of Dixie.  It's not 1995.  Move the A's to Charlotte or Nashville.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 17, 2021, 05:13:51 PM
Ah screw the Braves; they don't get ALL of Dixie.  It's not 1995.  Move the A's to Charlotte or Nashville.
The MLB should have 2 expansion teams so they have 32 like the NFL and NHL.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on May 21, 2021, 12:24:59 AM
I don't think the A's can succeed in Vegas. I think their best bet is Montreal.

I don't think Montreal is clamoring for another MLB franchise. If the Aviators (coincidentally Oakland's Triple-A affiliate) draw significant numbers, it's not unreasonable MLB might want to tap that market. If they were to move to Canada and not be horribly misaligned, Vancouver would be a good option.

In that case, they'd probably move to the AL East, Tampa Bay to the Central (to keep Toronto in the East with them), and KC to the West.
Tampa Bay in the central would be so wonky, Toronto is more inland than Tampa Bay.

Actually, Toronto (79° W) is farther east than St Pete (82° W).  And the Lightning are in the NHL Central Division this year. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on May 21, 2021, 05:53:11 AM
Actually, Toronto (79° W) is farther east than St Pete (82° W).  And the Lightning are in the NHL Central Division this year.
While true, the AL Central is basically a Great Lakes Division, with Minnesota/Twin Cities, Chicago, Detroit, and Cleveland (Kansas City being the Outlier, anyway) - dumping KC and adding Toronto, heck might even rename the Division either the AL North or the AL Great Lakes over the AL Central at that point, and it could/would be a logical, geographical Division
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 21, 2021, 07:21:33 AM
Toronto would make the most sense to move to the AL Central, given their proximity to the rest of the division, especially Cleveland and Detroit. Plus, there are a large number of retired Yankees and Red Sox fans in Florida so Tampa Bay isn't going to want to lose those home series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 21, 2021, 10:24:12 AM
Since this is baseball can I start a get rid of Tony LaRussa rant?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 21, 2021, 10:27:03 AM
Ah screw the Braves; they don't get ALL of Dixie.  It's not 1995.  Move the A's to Charlotte or Nashville.
The MLB should have 2 expansion teams so they have 32 like the NFL and NHL.
MLB doesn't need anymore expansion. The talent level in MLB is already thinned out enough and the season is already long enough.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on May 21, 2021, 10:28:48 AM
I don't think the A's can succeed in Vegas. I think their best bet is Montreal.

I don't think Montreal is clamoring for another MLB franchise. If the Aviators (coincidentally Oakland's Triple-A affiliate) draw significant numbers, it's not unreasonable MLB might want to tap that market. If they were to move to Canada and not be horribly misaligned, Vancouver would be a good option.

In that case, they'd probably move to the AL East, Tampa Bay to the Central (to keep Toronto in the East with them), and KC to the West.
Tampa Bay in the central would be so wonky, Toronto is more inland than Tampa Bay.

Actually, Toronto (79° W) is farther east than St Pete (82° W).  And the Lightning are in the NHL Central Division this year. 
Actually, Toronto (79° W) is farther east than St Pete (82° W).  And the Lightning are in the NHL Central Division this year.
While true, the AL Central is basically a Great Lakes Division, with Minnesota/Twin Cities, Chicago, Detroit, and Cleveland (Kansas City being the Outlier, anyway) - dumping KC and adding Toronto, heck might even rename the Division either the AL North or the AL Great Lakes over the AL Central at that point, and it could/would be a logical, geographical Division
Toronto would make the most sense to move to the AL Central, given their proximity to the rest of the division, especially Cleveland and Detroit. Plus, there are a large number of retired Yankees and Red Sox fans in Florida so Tampa Bay isn't going to want to lose those home series.
Remember when the NL had the same problem years ago when there were only two divisions per league? It had Chicago and St. Louis in the East, but Atlanta and Cincinnati in the West. I wonder why that was...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 21, 2021, 10:48:24 AM
I don't think the A's can succeed in Vegas. I think their best bet is Montreal.

I don't think Montreal is clamoring for another MLB franchise. If the Aviators (coincidentally Oakland's Triple-A affiliate) draw significant numbers, it's not unreasonable MLB might want to tap that market. If they were to move to Canada and not be horribly misaligned, Vancouver would be a good option.

In that case, they'd probably move to the AL East, Tampa Bay to the Central (to keep Toronto in the East with them), and KC to the West.
Tampa Bay in the central would be so wonky, Toronto is more inland than Tampa Bay.

Actually, Toronto (79° W) is farther east than St Pete (82° W).  And the Lightning are in the NHL Central Division this year. 
Actually, Toronto (79° W) is farther east than St Pete (82° W).  And the Lightning are in the NHL Central Division this year.
While true, the AL Central is basically a Great Lakes Division, with Minnesota/Twin Cities, Chicago, Detroit, and Cleveland (Kansas City being the Outlier, anyway) - dumping KC and adding Toronto, heck might even rename the Division either the AL North or the AL Great Lakes over the AL Central at that point, and it could/would be a logical, geographical Division
Toronto would make the most sense to move to the AL Central, given their proximity to the rest of the division, especially Cleveland and Detroit. Plus, there are a large number of retired Yankees and Red Sox fans in Florida so Tampa Bay isn't going to want to lose those home series.
Remember when the NL had the same problem years ago when there were only two divisions per league? It had Chicago and St. Louis in the East, but Atlanta and Cincinnati in the West. I wonder why that was...
Yeah and over on the AL side you had the White Sox in the AL West while the Cubs were in the NL East.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2021, 11:38:32 AM
I don't think the A's can succeed in Vegas. I think their best bet is Montreal.

I don't think Montreal is clamoring for another MLB franchise. If the Aviators (coincidentally Oakland's Triple-A affiliate) draw significant numbers, it's not unreasonable MLB might want to tap that market. If they were to move to Canada and not be horribly misaligned, Vancouver would be a good option.

In that case, they'd probably move to the AL East, Tampa Bay to the Central (to keep Toronto in the East with them), and KC to the West.
Tampa Bay in the central would be so wonky, Toronto is more inland than Tampa Bay.

Actually, Toronto (79° W) is farther east than St Pete (82° W).  And the Lightning are in the NHL Central Division this year. 
Actually, Toronto (79° W) is farther east than St Pete (82° W).  And the Lightning are in the NHL Central Division this year.
While true, the AL Central is basically a Great Lakes Division, with Minnesota/Twin Cities, Chicago, Detroit, and Cleveland (Kansas City being the Outlier, anyway) - dumping KC and adding Toronto, heck might even rename the Division either the AL North or the AL Great Lakes over the AL Central at that point, and it could/would be a logical, geographical Division
Toronto would make the most sense to move to the AL Central, given their proximity to the rest of the division, especially Cleveland and Detroit. Plus, there are a large number of retired Yankees and Red Sox fans in Florida so Tampa Bay isn't going to want to lose those home series.
Remember when the NL had the same problem years ago when there were only two divisions per league? It had Chicago and St. Louis in the East, but Atlanta and Cincinnati in the West. I wonder why that was...
St. Louis and Chicago had more clout to stay in the east.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 21, 2021, 11:51:42 AM
Remember when the NL had the same problem years ago when there were only two divisions per league? It had Chicago and St. Louis in the East, but Atlanta and Cincinnati in the West. I wonder why that was...

The Cubs and Cardinals pushed hard to be put in the East because they wanted more games in the big media markets of NY and Philly. MLB agreed partly because those two and the Giants were the dominant NL teams of the time and this avoided having all three in the same division.

In 1972, when the (2nd) Washington Senators moved to Texas, Milwaukee got to switch from West to East instead of the White Sox despite the Sox being a bit farther east (and wanting more games against traditional rivals in NY, Cle and Det.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2021, 12:49:04 PM
Remember when the NL had the same problem years ago when there were only two divisions per league? It had Chicago and St. Louis in the East, but Atlanta and Cincinnati in the West. I wonder why that was...

The Cubs and Cardinals pushed hard to be put in the East because they wanted more games in the big media markets of NY and Philly. MLB agreed partly because those two and the Giants were the dominant NL teams of the time and this avoided having all three in the same division.

In 1972, when the (2nd) Washington Senators moved to Texas, Milwaukee got to switch from West to East instead of the White Sox despite the Sox being a bit farther east (and wanting more games against traditional rivals in NY, Cle and Det.
Why did they choose Milwaukee to move east?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 21, 2021, 01:05:16 PM
Remember when the NL had the same problem years ago when there were only two divisions per league? It had Chicago and St. Louis in the East, but Atlanta and Cincinnati in the West. I wonder why that was...

The Cubs and Cardinals pushed hard to be put in the East because they wanted more games in the big media markets of NY and Philly. MLB agreed partly because those two and the Giants were the dominant NL teams of the time and this avoided having all three in the same division.

In 1972, when the (2nd) Washington Senators moved to Texas, Milwaukee got to switch from West to East instead of the White Sox despite the Sox being a bit farther east (and wanting more games against traditional rivals in NY, Cle and Det.
Why did they choose Milwaukee to move east?

I haven't been able to find anything definitive as to the reason. Generally, ownership of the teams and how well-liked they are by the rest of the league has an impact.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on May 21, 2021, 01:23:02 PM
Remember when the NL had the same problem years ago when there were only two divisions per league? It had Chicago and St. Louis in the East, but Atlanta and Cincinnati in the West. I wonder why that was...

The Cubs and Cardinals pushed hard to be put in the East because they wanted more games in the big media markets of NY and Philly. MLB agreed partly because those two and the Giants were the dominant NL teams of the time and this avoided having all three in the same division.

In 1972, when the (2nd) Washington Senators moved to Texas, Milwaukee got to switch from West to East instead of the White Sox despite the Sox being a bit farther east (and wanting more games against traditional rivals in NY, Cle and Det.
Why did they choose Milwaukee to move east?

I haven't been able to find anything definitive as to the reason. Generally, ownership of the teams and how well-liked they are by the rest of the league has an impact.

Perhaps because Milwaukee was a relatively new team (only had started in 1969 as the Seattle Pilots), while the White Sox were a charter member of the AL. 
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2021, 02:12:35 PM
Remember when the NL had the same problem years ago when there were only two divisions per league? It had Chicago and St. Louis in the East, but Atlanta and Cincinnati in the West. I wonder why that was...

The Cubs and Cardinals pushed hard to be put in the East because they wanted more games in the big media markets of NY and Philly. MLB agreed partly because those two and the Giants were the dominant NL teams of the time and this avoided having all three in the same division.

In 1972, when the (2nd) Washington Senators moved to Texas, Milwaukee got to switch from West to East instead of the White Sox despite the Sox being a bit farther east (and wanting more games against traditional rivals in NY, Cle and Det.
Why did they choose Milwaukee to move east?

I haven't been able to find anything definitive as to the reason. Generally, ownership of the teams and how well-liked they are by the rest of the league has an impact.

Perhaps because Milwaukee was a relatively new team (only had started in 1969 as the Seattle Pilots), while the White Sox were a charter member of the AL.
But isn't the east more advantageous because of rivals and travel?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 21, 2021, 05:23:24 PM
Remember when the NL had the same problem years ago when there were only two divisions per league? It had Chicago and St. Louis in the East, but Atlanta and Cincinnati in the West. I wonder why that was...

The Cubs and Cardinals pushed hard to be put in the East because they wanted more games in the big media markets of NY and Philly. MLB agreed partly because those two and the Giants were the dominant NL teams of the time and this avoided having all three in the same division.

In 1972, when the (2nd) Washington Senators moved to Texas, Milwaukee got to switch from West to East instead of the White Sox despite the Sox being a bit farther east (and wanting more games against traditional rivals in NY, Cle and Det.
Why did they choose Milwaukee to move east?

I haven't been able to find anything definitive as to the reason. Generally, ownership of the teams and how well-liked they are by the rest of the league has an impact.

Perhaps because Milwaukee was a relatively new team (only had started in 1969 as the Seattle Pilots), while the White Sox were a charter member of the AL.
But isn't the east more advantageous because of rivals and travel?

Yes, the East was more advantageous due to travel and exposure. The new team got that benefit over the more established team. That's what makes me think perhaps the rest of the owners may have had something against the Sox ownership.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 21, 2021, 06:09:01 PM
Remember when the NL had the same problem years ago when there were only two divisions per league? It had Chicago and St. Louis in the East, but Atlanta and Cincinnati in the West. I wonder why that was...

The Cubs and Cardinals pushed hard to be put in the East because they wanted more games in the big media markets of NY and Philly. MLB agreed partly because those two and the Giants were the dominant NL teams of the time and this avoided having all three in the same division.

In 1972, when the (2nd) Washington Senators moved to Texas, Milwaukee got to switch from West to East instead of the White Sox despite the Sox being a bit farther east (and wanting more games against traditional rivals in NY, Cle and Det.
Why did they choose Milwaukee to move east?

I haven't been able to find anything definitive as to the reason. Generally, ownership of the teams and how well-liked they are by the rest of the league has an impact.

Perhaps because Milwaukee was a relatively new team (only had started in 1969 as the Seattle Pilots), while the White Sox were a charter member of the AL.
But isn't the east more advantageous because of rivals and travel?

Yes, the East was more advantageous due to travel and exposure. The new team got that benefit over the more established team. That's what makes me think perhaps the rest of the owners may have had something against the Sox ownership.
That was when the Allyn's owned the team. No idea what happened there.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on May 21, 2021, 10:59:30 PM
Since this is baseball can I start a get rid of Tony LaRussa rant?
Please, that's better than endless debate about Fictional Relocations.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on May 22, 2021, 02:56:42 AM
Remember when the NL had the same problem years ago when there were only two divisions per league? It had Chicago and St. Louis in the East, but Atlanta and Cincinnati in the West. I wonder why that was...

The Cubs and Cardinals pushed hard to be put in the East because they wanted more games in the big media markets of NY and Philly. MLB agreed partly because those two and the Giants were the dominant NL teams of the time and this avoided having all three in the same division.

In 1972, when the (2nd) Washington Senators moved to Texas, Milwaukee got to switch from West to East instead of the White Sox despite the Sox being a bit farther east (and wanting more games against traditional rivals in NY, Cle and Det.
Why did they choose Milwaukee to move east?

I haven't been able to find anything definitive as to the reason. Generally, ownership of the teams and how well-liked they are by the rest of the league has an impact.

Perhaps because Milwaukee was a relatively new team (only had started in 1969 as the Seattle Pilots), while the White Sox were a charter member of the AL.
But isn't the east more advantageous because of rivals and travel?

Yes, the East was more advantageous due to travel and exposure. The new team got that benefit over the more established team. That's what makes me think perhaps the rest of the owners may have had something against the Sox ownership.
That was when the Allyn's owned the team. No idea what happened there.
The Allyn’s owned the White Sox, but the Cubs were the one with the curse of the goat.

But that was around the time Veeck bought the team and almost moved them to Tampa Bay.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 22, 2021, 09:59:04 AM
Remember when the NL had the same problem years ago when there were only two divisions per league? It had Chicago and St. Louis in the East, but Atlanta and Cincinnati in the West. I wonder why that was...

The Cubs and Cardinals pushed hard to be put in the East because they wanted more games in the big media markets of NY and Philly. MLB agreed partly because those two and the Giants were the dominant NL teams of the time and this avoided having all three in the same division.

In 1972, when the (2nd) Washington Senators moved to Texas, Milwaukee got to switch from West to East instead of the White Sox despite the Sox being a bit farther east (and wanting more games against traditional rivals in NY, Cle and Det.
Why did they choose Milwaukee to move east?

I haven't been able to find anything definitive as to the reason. Generally, ownership of the teams and how well-liked they are by the rest of the league has an impact.

Perhaps because Milwaukee was a relatively new team (only had started in 1969 as the Seattle Pilots), while the White Sox were a charter member of the AL.
But isn't the east more advantageous because of rivals and travel?

Yes, the East was more advantageous due to travel and exposure. The new team got that benefit over the more established team. That's what makes me think perhaps the rest of the owners may have had something against the Sox ownership.
That was when the Allyn's owned the team. No idea what happened there.
The Allyn’s owned the White Sox, but the Cubs were the one with the curse of the goat.

But that was around the time Veeck bought the team and almost moved them to Tampa Bay.
I'm pretty sure Veeck wanted to keep the team in Chicago and it was Reinsdorf that almost moved them to Tampa Bay all over getting a new stadium. Yeah sure the old ballpark was small and falling apart but it was a shrine. I think it's interesting that the White Sox have played in the same neighborhood for their entire existence. The ballpark they first played in was south of the current ballpark where Wentworth Gardens is at.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 22, 2021, 10:07:20 AM
Well Tony LaRussa is totally out of touch with the game today. Up until this year he hadn't managed in a decade and it's typical Jerry Reinsdorf hiring his friends and putting them in positions they shouldn't be in. LaRussa should have stayed retired it's ridiculous the guy is 76 years old and totally out of touch with the roster. Making a big deal about Mercedes swinging on a 3-0 pitch against a position player for the Twinkies was ridiculous. The Twins are a division rival they aren't anyone we need to respect and they certainly don't respect anyone else. But oh we're up 15-4 and the Twinks put a position player in to pitch and Mercedes works it to 3-0 and then swings and hits a home run and what's LaRussa doing? He's standing on the field shaking his head all because Mercedes missed a sign or something because Tony had the take sign on but so freaking what? The guy gets paid to hit home runs and has been one of the most exciting players in the game this season so far. Screw Tony LaRussa, bring Hawk Harrelson back and let him fire him again.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 22, 2021, 10:57:01 AM
Well Tony LaRussa is totally out of touch with the game today. Up until this year he hadn't managed in a decade and it's typical Jerry Reinsdorf hiring his friends and putting them in positions they shouldn't be in. LaRussa should have stayed retired it's ridiculous the guy is 76 years old and totally out of touch with the roster. Making a big deal about Mercedes swinging on a 3-0 pitch against a position player for the Twinkies was ridiculous. The Twins are a division rival they aren't anyone we need to respect and they certainly don't respect anyone else. But oh we're up 15-4 and the Twinks put a position player in to pitch and Mercedes works it to 3-0 and then swings and hits a home run and what's LaRussa doing? He's standing on the field shaking his head all because Mercedes missed a sign or something because Tony had the take sign on but so freaking what? The guy gets paid to hit home runs and has been one of the most exciting players in the game this season so far. Screw Tony LaRussa, bring Hawk Harrelson back and let him fire him again.

And if he hit a grounder to thr 2nd baseman?

Yes, he got fortunate. But he still ignored the coach.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 22, 2021, 12:26:39 PM
Well Tony LaRussa is totally out of touch with the game today. Up until this year he hadn't managed in a decade and it's typical Jerry Reinsdorf hiring his friends and putting them in positions they shouldn't be in. LaRussa should have stayed retired it's ridiculous the guy is 76 years old and totally out of touch with the roster. Making a big deal about Mercedes swinging on a 3-0 pitch against a position player for the Twinkies was ridiculous. The Twins are a division rival they aren't anyone we need to respect and they certainly don't respect anyone else. But oh we're up 15-4 and the Twinks put a position player in to pitch and Mercedes works it to 3-0 and then swings and hits a home run and what's LaRussa doing? He's standing on the field shaking his head all because Mercedes missed a sign or something because Tony had the take sign on but so freaking what? The guy gets paid to hit home runs and has been one of the most exciting players in the game this season so far. Screw Tony LaRussa, bring Hawk Harrelson back and let him fire him again.

And if he hit a grounder to thr 2nd baseman?

Yes, he got fortunate. But he still ignored the coach.
The pitcher was in the middle of his windup when he got the sign can't blame him for not seeing the sign at that point.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 22, 2021, 12:28:45 PM
And another thing Tony wants to complain about the unwritten rules of the game and up until 2 weeks ago or so a game in Cincinnati that the White Sox lost 1-0 he didn't know the rule regarding the runner on second base to start extra innings so I don't want to hear it from him about the unwritten rules of the game.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: US 89 on May 22, 2021, 04:25:47 PM
the rule regarding the runner on second base to start extra innings

I would accept universal DH if it meant we could get rid of that rule.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 22, 2021, 06:21:56 PM
the rule regarding the runner on second base to start extra innings

I would accept universal DH if it meant we could get rid of that rule.
Yeah it's a really dumb rule. And I'd be fine with both leagues having the DH it would sort of any mess of having the pitcher running the bases. I bet all the DH was made for was to extend players careers.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 22, 2021, 10:47:54 PM
the rule regarding the runner on second base to start extra innings

I would accept universal DH if it meant we could get rid of that rule.
DH is fine, runner on second is awful.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 23, 2021, 01:47:29 PM
the rule regarding the runner on second base to start extra innings

I would accept universal DH if it meant we could get rid of that rule.
DH is fine, runner on second is awful.
Fans of American League teams don't mind the DH now but fans of the national league teams are usually opposed against it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 23, 2021, 01:51:55 PM
the rule regarding the runner on second base to start extra innings

I would accept universal DH if it meant we could get rid of that rule.
DH is fine, runner on second is awful.
Fans of American League teams don't mind the DH now but fans of the national league teams are usually opposed against it.
David Ortiz couldn't have played as long in the NL.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: TheHighwayMan394 on May 23, 2021, 03:08:57 PM
David Ortiz couldn't have played as long in the NL.

Which is exactly why the NL fan pipe dream of the death of the DH will never happen - it creates more job opportunities for players.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 23, 2021, 10:25:48 PM
the rule regarding the runner on second base to start extra innings

I would accept universal DH if it meant we could get rid of that rule.
DH is fine, runner on second is awful.
Fans of American League teams don't mind the DH now but fans of the national league teams are usually opposed against it.
David Ortiz couldn't have played as long in the NL.
Probably not.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 24, 2021, 07:25:40 AM
the rule regarding the runner on second base to start extra innings

I would accept universal DH if it meant we could get rid of that rule.
DH is fine, runner on second is awful.

Here's the problem-the number of pitches per plate appearance has gone up quite a bit. This is requiring more pitchers to get through games. No team wants to have to cover 14-15 innings worth of pitchers in a game. It's why teams like the 7 inning doubleheaders. It's also why there is beginning to be discussion of having some kind of run-rule that can end a game early.

Where things get stuck is that there's no really good way to limit the number of pitches in a game. The runner on 2nd is being used now and that has been successful in avoiding the 13+ inning games but nobody likes it. You could just have ties after 10 innings and in a 162 game season the teams probably wouldn't mind but there are a lot of families that only go to one game per year and that would be an unsatisfying result for them. There are more extreme ideas to reduce pitch counts such as having a 3rd foul ball after 2 strikes be strike 3, but I don't see that happening either.

Teams want to find a way to reduce the overall pitch counts in games and haven't found the right answer yet.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1 on May 24, 2021, 07:30:54 AM
the rule regarding the runner on second base to start extra innings

I would accept universal DH if it meant we could get rid of that rule.
DH is fine, runner on second is awful.

Here's the problem-the number of pitches per plate appearance has gone up quite a bit. This is requiring more pitchers to get through games. No team wants to have to cover 14-15 innings worth of pitchers in a game. It's why teams like the 7 inning doubleheaders. It's also why there is beginning to be discussion of having some kind of run-rule that can end a game early.

Where things get stuck is that there's no really good way to limit the number of pitches in a game. The runner on 2nd is being used now and that has been successful in avoiding the 13+ inning games but nobody likes it. You could just have ties after 10 innings and in a 162 game season the teams probably wouldn't mind but there are a lot of families that only go to one game per year and that would be an unsatisfying result for them. There are more extreme ideas to reduce pitch counts such as having a 3rd foul ball after 2 strikes be strike 3, but I don't see that happening either.

Teams want to find a way to reduce the overall pitch counts in games and haven't found the right answer yet.

My suggestion: after 9 innings, if it's tied, the team that made their last run earlier wins, as measured by inning number and number of outs. For example, if the Fargo Bankers scored in the top of the 8th with 2 outs, and the Denver Omelettes scored in the bottom of the 8th with no outs, the Denver Omelettes would win despite being physically later. The game would continue if the inning and number of outs match or if it's still 0-0.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: texaskdog on May 24, 2021, 07:37:04 AM
I don't understand the pitch count obsession.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 24, 2021, 07:45:11 AM
I don't understand the pitch count obsession.

Modern pitching puts a lot of stress on the arm, and injuries are mitigated by limiting pitch counts. At the same time, batters are seeing more pitches per plate appearance, so teams need more pitchers to finish games. 30 years ago, 10 pitchers on a roster was standard and 11 was a lot. Today pretty much every team carries 13 pitchers. Teams don't want to get to the point where they need 14-15 pitchers on a roster.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 24, 2021, 11:02:44 AM
I'm on board with my fellow White Sox fans regarding Tony LaRussa. He is washed up as far as baseball goes and he has a drinking problem too. He's going to end up being a distraction for the team.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 24, 2021, 11:03:36 AM
I don't understand the pitch count obsession.
It probably has to do with the money that they have invested into these pitcher's.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on June 04, 2021, 08:07:00 PM
Looks like the Cleveland Baseball Team will have a new name sooner than later, per this report:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31559657/cleveland-indians-narrowing-vetting-final-list-new-names
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on June 06, 2021, 06:57:20 PM
I don't understand the pitch count obsession.

See also: NBA load management.  Of course, those pitch counts go out the window come October, plus you’ll see starters come in in relief if necessary (a starter has got the final out of 3 of the past 4 World Series).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on June 06, 2021, 07:19:10 PM
Couldn't be happier right now took 3 out of 4 from the Tigers, wish it would have been a sweep but I'll take 3 out of 4 right now and riding first place in the AL Central.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: thspfc on June 06, 2021, 09:15:53 PM
Another thing MLB needs to do to save the sport: facemasks for batters.


No reason why that should be happening.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 07, 2021, 07:44:36 AM
It reminds me when some hockey players received the puck right in the face and most of them now wear eyeshields and it also reminds me of the ending of Tex Avery's short "Batty Baseball".
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on June 20, 2021, 05:56:36 PM
Wow Astros sweep the White Sox rather convincingly (outscoring them 27-8) and take first place in the AL West back from the Athletics. They are on a 7-game winning streak, and I don't see that stopping anytime soon with the Orioles and Tigers up next.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 20, 2021, 06:40:17 PM
Looks like the Cleveland Baseball Team will have a new name sooner than later, per this report:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31559657/cleveland-indians-narrowing-vetting-final-list-new-names

If they choose Avengers, I wonder if Marvel comics will ask for royalties for the use of trademark name?  ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on June 20, 2021, 08:11:27 PM
Wow Astros sweep the White Sox rather convincingly (outscoring them 27-8) and take first place in the AL West back from the Athletics. They are on a 7-game winning streak, and I don't see that stopping anytime soon with the Orioles and Tigers up next.
Yeah I have no idea how the Sox just failed to show up this series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on June 21, 2021, 08:00:51 AM
Wow Astros sweep the White Sox rather convincingly (outscoring them 27-8) and take first place in the AL West back from the Athletics. They are on a 7-game winning streak, and I don't see that stopping anytime soon with the Orioles and Tigers up next.
Yeah I have no idea how the Sox just failed to show up this series.

Houston is the hottest team in baseball right now, playing at home, and the White Sox are missing 4 of their starting position players, with 2 more in slumps right now.

White Sox have a run of games against bad teams from now through the All-Star break so I'm not worried.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on June 21, 2021, 08:10:42 AM
Wow Astros sweep the White Sox rather convincingly (outscoring them 27-8) and take first place in the AL West back from the Athletics. They are on a 7-game winning streak, and I don't see that stopping anytime soon with the Orioles and Tigers up next.
Yeah I have no idea how the Sox just failed to show up this series.

Houston is the hottest team in baseball right now, playing at home, and the White Sox are missing 4 of their starting position players, with 2 more in slumps right now.

White Sox have a run of games against bad teams from now through the All-Star break so I'm not worried.
I'm not too worried about this they went to the Bronx and got swept by the Yankees earlier in the year too
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 09, 2021, 08:37:51 PM
Looks like the Cubs will lose more of their World Series stars, and I wouldn't be surprised given their usual bad luck of late. Back to status quo, I guess...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 09, 2021, 11:03:46 PM
I guess the White Sox are up and down. Right now they are on a 3 game winning streak and they are in Baltimore so I'm hoping their bats can tee off on Orioles pitching. Last time I saw them play was on Sunday in Detroit and they didn't look good that day or Saturday but won the Friday game. Lance Lynn won the only game of that series and both Keuchel and Giolito pitched like shit because they scored enough runs off Tigers pitching to win those two games.

Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 12, 2021, 10:58:44 AM
On to Denver for the All-Star break, and I guess all eyes will be on Shohei Ohtani, who will be the first player ever to bat and pitch in an ASG, which is something not even the great Babe Ruth had done.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 12, 2021, 11:56:52 AM
Not even going to watch the ASG. For one thing relocating it was for reasons that MLB has no business involving themselves in and for another thing it's a boring exhibition game that means nothing. I'm sure the players would just rather have the four days off I know I would if I was a MLB player. It's a long season and a little break is needed at this point of the season. And I really hated it when Bud Selig made it so the league that won the ASG had HFA in the WS.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KeithE4Phx on July 12, 2021, 12:44:12 PM
On to Denver for the All-Star break, and I guess all eyes will be on Shohei Ohtani, who will be the first player ever to bat and pitch in an ASG, which is something not even the great Babe Ruth had done.

The first All Star Game was in 1933, and Ruth only pitched in 5 games after joining the Yankees in 1920.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 12, 2021, 12:53:12 PM
On to Denver for the All-Star break, and I guess all eyes will be on Shohei Ohtani, who will be the first player ever to bat and pitch in an ASG, which is something not even the great Babe Ruth had done.

He shouldn't pitch in the game. He shouldn't even be listed as a pitcher. He's not an all-star caliber pitcher. He's only made 13 starts and has a 3.49 ERA. Good, but not All-Star quality.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 12, 2021, 02:49:40 PM
On to Denver for the All-Star break, and I guess all eyes will be on Shohei Ohtani, who will be the first player ever to bat and pitch in an ASG, which is something not even the great Babe Ruth had done.

He shouldn't pitch in the game. He shouldn't even be listed as a pitcher. He's not an all-star caliber pitcher. He's only made 13 starts and has a 3.49 ERA. Good, but not All-Star quality.
The thing that gets me is he's 109th in innings pitched which says he doesn't pitch enough to be considered a pitcher for the All-Star team. I feel the only reason he was selected is because of his 33 home runs. Nothing else really stands out about the guy. The Angels are without Trout and don't have that good of a lineup really so I'm surprised pitchers aren't pitching around him more.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 14, 2021, 10:25:53 AM
On to Denver for the All-Star break, and I guess all eyes will be on Shohei Ohtani, who will be the first player ever to bat and pitch in an ASG, which is something not even the great Babe Ruth had done.

He shouldn't pitch in the game. He shouldn't even be listed as a pitcher. He's not an all-star caliber pitcher. He's only made 13 starts and has a 3.49 ERA. Good, but not All-Star quality.
The thing that gets me is he's 109th in innings pitched which says he doesn't pitch enough to be considered a pitcher for the All-Star team. I feel the only reason he was selected is because of his 33 home runs. Nothing else really stands out about the guy. The Angels are without Trout and don't have that good of a lineup really so I'm surprised pitchers aren't pitching around him more.
Maybe he shouldn't have pitched, but he did get the win (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31814731/vladimir-guerrero-jr-wins-all-star-game-mvp-powers-al-victory-468-foot-homer) for the AL, who took its eighth matchup in a row.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on July 14, 2021, 05:08:39 PM
Damn, I forgot about the All Star Game.  :banghead:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: TheHighwayMan394 on July 15, 2021, 10:42:54 AM
On to Denver for the All-Star break, and I guess all eyes will be on Shohei Ohtani, who will be the first player ever to bat and pitch in an ASG, which is something not even the great Babe Ruth had done.

He shouldn't pitch in the game. He shouldn't even be listed as a pitcher. He's not an all-star caliber pitcher. He's only made 13 starts and has a 3.49 ERA. Good, but not All-Star quality.
The thing that gets me is he's 109th in innings pitched which says he doesn't pitch enough to be considered a pitcher for the All-Star team. I feel the only reason he was selected is because of his 33 home runs. Nothing else really stands out about the guy. The Angels are without Trout and don't have that good of a lineup really so I'm surprised pitchers aren't pitching around him more.

The All-Star game is supposed to be fun. It's not the World Series. A guy that has both hit 33 home runs *in half a season* and is a more-than-competent pitcher is amazing and it's something people want to watch because it's something they have never seen in MLB, including his peers in the game who want to see him in action too.

When he came into MLB with the demand that whoever signed him needed to allow him to be able to both pitch and hit as he did in Japan, I expected him to be a 12-15 homer guy and a marginal fifth starter, more of a gimmick than something actually productive and the novelty would wear off.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 15, 2021, 05:46:20 PM
On to Denver for the All-Star break, and I guess all eyes will be on Shohei Ohtani, who will be the first player ever to bat and pitch in an ASG, which is something not even the great Babe Ruth had done.

He shouldn't pitch in the game. He shouldn't even be listed as a pitcher. He's not an all-star caliber pitcher. He's only made 13 starts and has a 3.49 ERA. Good, but not All-Star quality.
The thing that gets me is he's 109th in innings pitched which says he doesn't pitch enough to be considered a pitcher for the All-Star team. I feel the only reason he was selected is because of his 33 home runs. Nothing else really stands out about the guy. The Angels are without Trout and don't have that good of a lineup really so I'm surprised pitchers aren't pitching around him more.

The All-Star game is supposed to be fun. It's not the World Series. A guy that has both hit 33 home runs *in half a season* and is a more-than-competent pitcher is amazing and it's something people want to watch because it's something they have never seen in MLB, including his peers in the game who want to see him in action too.

When he came into MLB with the demand that whoever signed him needed to allow him to be able to both pitch and hit as he did in Japan, I expected him to be a 12-15 homer guy and a marginal fifth starter, more of a gimmick than something actually productive and the novelty would wear off.
The ASG used to be fun but it's not really fun to me anymore. I liked it when I was a kid but I lost interest in the ASG in every sport pretty much now. Even though my team is in the American League they've won like 8 straight now and had a long winning streak before too.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 20, 2021, 10:09:39 AM
The Blue Jays are coming back to Toronto in 10 days!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 20, 2021, 10:12:21 AM
The Blue Jays are coming back to Toronto in 10 days!

Pitchers everywhere rejoice!

Hitters everywhere are very sad.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 01:09:53 PM
The Blue Jays are coming back to Toronto in 10 days!
Only 15K fans allowed in is pretty lame.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 20, 2021, 03:18:26 PM
The Blue Jays are coming back to Toronto in 10 days!
Only 15K fans allowed in is pretty lame.
It is what it is.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 03:57:02 PM
The Blue Jays are coming back to Toronto in 10 days!
Only 15K fans allowed in is pretty lame.
It is what it is.
Canada sure is stricter.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 20, 2021, 04:18:34 PM
The Blue Jays are coming back to Toronto in 10 days!
Only 15K fans allowed in is pretty lame.
It is what it is.
Canada sure is stricter.
We'd still have 80% of the state's shut down if they had the same strictness here.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on July 20, 2021, 09:55:22 PM
The Blue Jays are coming back to Toronto in 10 days!
Only 15K fans allowed in is pretty lame.
That's a lot more than I'd expect for Canada. But here we go with reopening.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on July 21, 2021, 03:10:22 AM
Well, it looks like the A’s are gonna head east. Just exactly where is up in the air (pun intended), of course. I can see them touring the Music City.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 21, 2021, 07:25:03 AM
Well, it looks like the A’s are gonna head east. Just exactly where is up in the air (pun intended), of course. I can see them touring the Music City.

I think it will very likely be Las Vegas. They want a team, they can support a team, and it's not close enough to another team to draw an objection.

Seattle would not like a team moving to Portland
I'd love to see Montreal but they don't seem to really want a team
I don't think Nashville can support a team plus the Braves and Cardinals both have strong followings there.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on July 21, 2021, 07:31:51 AM
Well, it looks like the A’s are gonna head east. Just exactly where is up in the air (pun intended), of course. I can see them touring the Music City.

I think it will very likely be Las Vegas. They want a team, they can support a team, and it's not close enough to another team to draw an objection.

Seattle would not like a team moving to Portland
I'd love to see Montreal but they don't seem to really want a team
I don't think Nashville can support a team plus the Braves and Cardinals both have strong followings there.
Yeah Portland’s dead in the water apparently. Montreal is spot on. Nashville is a wild card.

Apparently Las Vegas needs to warm up more to having another major league team in town. They don’t want to be overwhelmed. Maybe not all the cards are stacked in their favor yet.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: wriddle082 on July 21, 2021, 08:09:45 AM
Well, it looks like the A’s are gonna head east. Just exactly where is up in the air (pun intended), of course. I can see them touring the Music City.

I think it will very likely be Las Vegas. They want a team, they can support a team, and it's not close enough to another team to draw an objection.

Seattle would not like a team moving to Portland
I'd love to see Montreal but they don't seem to really want a team
I don't think Nashville can support a team plus the Braves and Cardinals both have strong followings there.
Yeah Portland’s dead in the water apparently. Montreal is spot on. Nashville is a wild card.

Apparently Las Vegas needs to warm up more to having another major league team in town. They don’t want to be overwhelmed. Maybe not all the cards are stacked in their favor yet.

Raleigh/Durham or Charlotte should be considered.  Geographically they are a good distance from Atlanta and DC.  I say they should rebuild Five County Stadium near Zebulon, NC (conveniently located off Future I-587 (US 264).  Make them a major league version of the Carolina Mudcats!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 21, 2021, 11:18:26 AM
Well, it looks like the A’s are gonna head east. Just exactly where is up in the air (pun intended), of course. I can see them touring the Music City.

I think it will very likely be Las Vegas. They want a team, they can support a team, and it's not close enough to another team to draw an objection.

Seattle would not like a team moving to Portland
I'd love to see Montreal but they don't seem to really want a team
I don't think Nashville can support a team plus the Braves and Cardinals both have strong followings there.
Yeah Portland’s dead in the water apparently. Montreal is spot on. Nashville is a wild card.

Apparently Las Vegas needs to warm up more to having another major league team in town. They don’t want to be overwhelmed. Maybe not all the cards are stacked in their favor yet.
Not only that, with the Raiders and Golden Knights in town, they'll try to get an NBA team, either through expansion or relocation. If the latter occurs, it'll most likely be in conjunction with the return of the Seattle Supersonics. We'll see about that, though.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 21, 2021, 01:20:50 PM
Well, it looks like the A’s are gonna head east. Just exactly where is up in the air (pun intended), of course. I can see them touring the Music City.

I think it will very likely be Las Vegas. They want a team, they can support a team, and it's not close enough to another team to draw an objection.

Seattle would not like a team moving to Portland
I'd love to see Montreal but they don't seem to really want a team
I don't think Nashville can support a team plus the Braves and Cardinals both have strong followings there.
Probably Charlotte would be the best case but that mixes in with Braves fans. I thought the Rays would have ended up relocating there though.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 21, 2021, 01:21:54 PM
Well, it looks like the A’s are gonna head east. Just exactly where is up in the air (pun intended), of course. I can see them touring the Music City.

I think it will very likely be Las Vegas. They want a team, they can support a team, and it's not close enough to another team to draw an objection.

Seattle would not like a team moving to Portland
I'd love to see Montreal but they don't seem to really want a team
I don't think Nashville can support a team plus the Braves and Cardinals both have strong followings there.
Yeah Portland’s dead in the water apparently. Montreal is spot on. Nashville is a wild card.

Apparently Las Vegas needs to warm up more to having another major league team in town. They don’t want to be overwhelmed. Maybe not all the cards are stacked in their favor yet.
Not only that, with the Raiders and Golden Knights in town, they'll try to get an NBA team, either through expansion or relocation. If the latter occurs, it'll most likely be in conjunction with the return of the Seattle Supersonics. We'll see about that, though.
Are you sure that Las Vegas is big enough to support both an NHL team and NBA team? I mean their seasons overlap completely almost.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on July 23, 2021, 09:56:03 AM
The Cleveland Indians just announced their name change to the Cleveland Guardians. With that name, they should play in Los Angeles so they can cross-market with the soccer team: "Come see the Guardians and the Galaxy."

Edited to add: My brother just noted—"Cleveland Space Force!"
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: spooky on July 23, 2021, 10:13:33 AM
The Cleveland Indians just announced their name change to the Cleveland Guardians.

I like it. The announcement video was well done, pushing the blue collar values of the city and the history of the Indians (without naming them as such, of course).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tchafe1978 on July 23, 2021, 10:31:16 AM
It's a nice non-offending ambiguous name. But how are they going to make a mascsot for the Guardians?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: OCGuy81 on July 23, 2021, 10:49:19 AM
Certainly a better name than "Cleveland Baseball Team"
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: spooky on July 23, 2021, 01:34:55 PM
It's a nice non-offending ambiguous name. But how are they going to make a mascsot for the Guardians?

You don't need the mascot to match the team name. For a terrible example of this, look to the Red Sox with Wally the Green Monster; for an excellent example of this, look to Philadelphia and the two greatest mascots in sports, neither of which is a Flyer or a Phillie.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 23, 2021, 02:00:41 PM
The Cleveland Indians just announced their name change to the Cleveland Guardians. With that name, they should play in Los Angeles so they can cross-market with the soccer team: "Come see the Guardians and the Galaxy."

Edited to add: My brother just noted—"Cleveland Space Force!"
I can see it now: "Guardians-Angels, live from Anaheim!"

Last time I checked, Drew Carey owned the soccer team in Seattle, but I guess "Come see the Guardians and the Sounders" doesn't feel right at all. But I could get used to the new name, and the soon-to-be ex-Indians should be thankful that they did not revive that infamous 19th century name.

FWIW, the name change was much better executed than that of Washington's NFL franchise (when the hell are they going to select their new nickname anyway?).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 23, 2021, 02:19:18 PM
The Cleveland Indians just announced their name change to the Cleveland Guardians. With that name, they should play in Los Angeles so they can cross-market with the soccer team: "Come see the Guardians and the Galaxy."

Edited to add: My brother just noted—"Cleveland Space Force!"
ew not a fan
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 23, 2021, 03:14:24 PM
The Cleveland Indians just announced their name change to the Cleveland Guardians. With that name, they should play in Los Angeles so they can cross-market with the soccer team: "Come see the Guardians and the Galaxy."

Edited to add: My brother just noted—"Cleveland Space Force!"

Well, they're not in LA, but they certainly could ink a phone sponsorship deal with Samsung.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 23, 2021, 04:23:41 PM
I think Cleveland's name change is pretty lame and I think the City of Cleveland is pretty lame too.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on July 23, 2021, 05:15:37 PM
I think the City of Cleveland is pretty lame too.

Well of course I would expect a Michigander to say that. :-D


Guardians is more of a football team name but whatever.  Wasn't that an XFL team?  Or some other failed football league?
Doesn't immediately conjure up images of Cleveland.  But then again, that's true for most team names.  Especially all the birds.
I should search for some logos; see what they went with.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kurumi on July 23, 2021, 05:17:53 PM
The Guardians name is transportation-related:

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“‘Guardians’ reflects those attributes that define us while drawing on the iconic Guardians of Traffic just outside the ballpark on the Hope Memorial Bridge. It brings to life the pride Clevelanders take in our city, and the way we fight together for all who choose to be part of the Cleveland baseball family. While ‘Indians’ will always be a part of our history, our new name will help unify our fans and city as we are all Cleveland Guardians.”

https://www.mlb.com/indians/fans/cleteamname/hope-memorial-bridge
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 23, 2021, 07:26:56 PM
The Guardians name is transportation-related:

Quote
“‘Guardians’ reflects those attributes that define us while drawing on the iconic Guardians of Traffic just outside the ballpark on the Hope Memorial Bridge. It brings to life the pride Clevelanders take in our city, and the way we fight together for all who choose to be part of the Cleveland baseball family. While ‘Indians’ will always be a part of our history, our new name will help unify our fans and city as we are all Cleveland Guardians.”

https://www.mlb.com/indians/fans/cleteamname/hope-memorial-bridge
Interesting now I kind of like it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on July 23, 2021, 07:39:23 PM
I have to be a fan of the only road named team in MLB but I don't like the name without that context.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on July 23, 2021, 07:57:42 PM
The Cleveland Indians just announced their name change to the Cleveland Guardians. With that name, they should play in Los Angeles so they can cross-market with the soccer team: "Come see the Guardians and the Galaxy."

Edited to add: My brother just noted—"Cleveland Space Force!"
Guardians of the Galaxy  (Groot can be the mascot).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 23, 2021, 09:19:40 PM
Tigers are losing 4-1 to the Royals. All I've heard from Tigers fans is we're heating up now. Never heard so much excitement for a below average team. I hate the Guardians, Tigers, Royals and Twins equally.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 23, 2021, 09:21:45 PM
I think the City of Cleveland is pretty lame too.

Well of course I would expect a Michigander to say that. :-D


Guardians is more of a football team name but whatever.  Wasn't that an XFL team?  Or some other failed football league?
Doesn't immediately conjure up images of Cleveland.  But then again, that's true for most team names.  Especially all the birds.
I should search for some logos; see what they went with.
The whole city just creeps me out. I don't even get that feeling in Detroit or Chicago.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 23, 2021, 11:15:31 PM
Red Sox still on top of the American League
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on July 23, 2021, 11:18:36 PM
Red Sox still on top of the American League
For now. Nelson Cruz back in the AL East is going to be fun to watch.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 23, 2021, 11:24:31 PM
Red Sox still on top of the American League
For now. Nelson Cruz back in the AL East is going to