Title: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on October 28, 2011, 12:45:13 AM
Post by: corco on October 28, 2011, 12:45:13 AM
HOLY SHIT
HOLY SHIT
YES!
HOLY SHIT
YES!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 28, 2011, 08:31:47 AM
Post by: Takumi on October 28, 2011, 08:31:47 AM
I knew I shouldn't have gone to sleep after the 10th.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 28, 2011, 11:53:58 PM
Post by: Takumi on October 28, 2011, 11:53:58 PM
Was I the only one underwhelmed by Game 7? It just didn't have the electricity of the other games to me.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on October 29, 2011, 12:11:49 AM
Post by: corco on October 29, 2011, 12:11:49 AM
It was pretty boring, but I can understand the lack of electricity. Game 6 had such a feeling of finality to it that it didn't feel like there should be baseball today. It would have only been electric if the Rangers won, I think.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 29, 2011, 12:28:42 AM
Post by: Takumi on October 29, 2011, 12:28:42 AM
Yeah, I agree. It seems like the Rangers didn't have anything left in the tank after the first inning tonight.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 29, 2011, 02:46:54 AM
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 29, 2011, 02:46:54 AM
Quote from: Takumi on October 28, 2011, 11:53:58 PM
Was I the only one underwhelmed by Game 7? It just didn't have the electricity of the other games to me.
it did not have the electricity of game 6. it was comparable to games 1-5.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on October 29, 2011, 08:05:26 AM
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on October 29, 2011, 08:05:26 AM
The last few innings of game 7 were kind of boring. I am not upset with the outcome (didn't really care either way). it was like Texas gave up in the late innings.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: PAHighways on October 29, 2011, 02:11:52 PM
Post by: PAHighways on October 29, 2011, 02:11:52 PM
The last visiting team to win a Game 7 remains the 79 Pirates.
That is the only way to connect the Pirate organization to anything World Series-related.
That is the only way to connect the Pirate organization to anything World Series-related.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on November 22, 2011, 09:39:13 PM
Post by: Alps on November 22, 2011, 09:39:13 PM
Speaking of base-ball, looks like the Astros are going to the AL after all, so you'll have two 15-team leagues. To balance them out and prevent still more interleague, I propose adding a 16th team to each league. I've received some interesting comments on other potential additions but I'm sticking by these anyway.
AL East: Red Sox, Yankees, Orioles, Blue Jays
AL North: Twins, Tigers, White Sox, Indians
AL South: Rays, Astros, Rangers, Flyers - adding a Carolina team to a large, untapped market. Raleigh or Charlotte, doesn't matter.
AL West: Mariners, A's, Angels, Royals (someone has to do it)
NL East: Mets, Phillies, Nationals, Grays - mostly for historical sentiment, I'll admit, but I can't think of a better baseball city anyway.
NL North: Pirates, Reds, Brewers, Cubs
NL South: Braves, Marlins, Cardinals, Diamondbacks
NL West: Rockies, Giants, Dodgers, Padres
AL East: Red Sox, Yankees, Orioles, Blue Jays
AL North: Twins, Tigers, White Sox, Indians
AL South: Rays, Astros, Rangers, Flyers - adding a Carolina team to a large, untapped market. Raleigh or Charlotte, doesn't matter.
AL West: Mariners, A's, Angels, Royals (someone has to do it)
NL East: Mets, Phillies, Nationals, Grays - mostly for historical sentiment, I'll admit, but I can't think of a better baseball city anyway.
NL North: Pirates, Reds, Brewers, Cubs
NL South: Braves, Marlins, Cardinals, Diamondbacks
NL West: Rockies, Giants, Dodgers, Padres
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on November 22, 2011, 09:57:54 PM
Post by: corco on November 22, 2011, 09:57:54 PM
You could also contract by two- drop the Rays and A's (perhaps move the A's to Colorado or Phoenix and drop the Rockies/D-Backs, just to preserve the A's name and history) and move Milwaukee back to the AL
Otherwise, I'd love to see expansion to Charlotte/Brooklyn/Montreal (Vive les Expos! Montreal is a good baseball town- bad ownership just ran the franchise into the ground)
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/sports/baseball/20montreal.html
Otherwise, I'd love to see expansion to Charlotte/Brooklyn/Montreal (Vive les Expos! Montreal is a good baseball town- bad ownership just ran the franchise into the ground)
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/sports/baseball/20montreal.html
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on November 22, 2011, 11:10:17 PM
Post by: Takumi on November 22, 2011, 11:10:17 PM
While I'd like to see two new teams (Carolina and Montreal would be my picks too) I'm also one of the 3 people who don't mind interleague, so I'm fine with the official changes.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on November 23, 2011, 12:08:17 AM
Post by: corco on November 23, 2011, 12:08:17 AM
My only worry about the changes is that the end result of season-wide interleague play is the game-wide institution of the DH. I root for an AL club, so I'm not anti-DH, but I do like that both formats exist in the game and would be adamantly opposed to the NL adopting it (unless the AL dis-adopted it).
As a Mariners fan, though, I'm looking forward to having the Astros in our division because at least in the short term we won't be in last place anymore :sombrero:
As a Mariners fan, though, I'm looking forward to having the Astros in our division because at least in the short term we won't be in last place anymore :sombrero:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: PAHighways on November 23, 2011, 12:34:55 AM
Post by: PAHighways on November 23, 2011, 12:34:55 AM
When I see the name "Grays" discussed in terms of baseball, I think the Homestead Grays.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: DTComposer on November 23, 2011, 12:54:39 AM
Post by: DTComposer on November 23, 2011, 12:54:39 AM
The scenario in my head had expansion by two teams and kept everyone in their current league (Houston's upcoming move ruins that a little). And except for a couple of cases created a geographical interleague rival. I would revert the Angels' city name, and I figure eventually they'll approve the A's moving.
AL East: New York, Boston, Baltimore, Toronto
NL East: New York, Philadelphia, Washington, Pittsburgh
AL North: Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago, Minnesota
NL North: Colorado, Cincinnati, Chicago, Milwaukee
AL South: Kansas City, Texas, Tampa Bay, Charlotte
NL South: St Louis, Houston, Miami, Atlanta
AL West: Seattle, San Jose, Anaheim, Arizona
NL West: Portland, San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego
AL East: New York, Boston, Baltimore, Toronto
NL East: New York, Philadelphia, Washington, Pittsburgh
AL North: Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago, Minnesota
NL North: Colorado, Cincinnati, Chicago, Milwaukee
AL South: Kansas City, Texas, Tampa Bay, Charlotte
NL South: St Louis, Houston, Miami, Atlanta
AL West: Seattle, San Jose, Anaheim, Arizona
NL West: Portland, San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 23, 2011, 02:44:27 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 23, 2011, 02:44:27 PM
Oakland, Miami, and Tampa are having major problems supporting existing teams, so I really don't see MLB expanding anytime soon. Remember they were close to contracting two teams not too long ago.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on November 23, 2011, 08:52:57 PM
Post by: corco on November 23, 2011, 08:52:57 PM
Those are also not coincidentally the three worst stadiums in MLB. We'll see how Miami rebounds with the new stadium, but I couldn't imagine paying actual money to see a baseball game at the Trop- the Coliseum isn't much better- both are awful places to watch a baseball game.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on November 23, 2011, 09:15:52 PM
Post by: Takumi on November 23, 2011, 09:15:52 PM
I agree that a nice park greatly enhances the desire for me to see a game. Living in. (suburban) Richmond, the closest major league teams are the Nationals and Orioles, and the three minor league area teams are the local Flying Squirrels, the Norfolk Tides and Durham Bulls. I'd much rather travel to any of the other teams' games because their stadiums are nicer.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Mr_Northside on November 25, 2011, 12:50:48 PM
Post by: Mr_Northside on November 25, 2011, 12:50:48 PM
Quote from: Takumi on November 23, 2011, 09:15:52 PM
I agree that a nice park greatly enhances the desire for me to see a game.
Our top-of-the-line ballpark (PNC Park), along with some fireworks nights, a "bobble-head night", and the occasional after-game concert (usually with some more fireworks), is enough of a draw itself to bring people to Pirates games, despite the fact they've now had 19 losing seasons in a row.
A day at a ballpark that nice offsets the fact that at least one of the teams on the field is gonna be the " 'Succos ". (Their June-July stretch tease of actually appearing to be a good team this last summer notwithstanding.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on November 26, 2011, 10:55:16 AM
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on November 26, 2011, 10:55:16 AM
I went to PNC park back in September to see the final two games of the season against the Reds. The Park is beautiful and the atmosphere is really cool. I found it impressive how dedicated Pittsburgh fans were given the recent history of the team. I find there isn't the same pride for a team that doesn't have such a winning history in Toronto where I live.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on February 27, 2012, 12:42:07 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on February 27, 2012, 12:42:07 PM
Speaking of baseball, here a funny baseball cartoon made by Tex Avery We won't do any gags of these kinds today.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on March 26, 2012, 09:01:04 AM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on March 26, 2012, 09:01:04 AM
I spotted a thread about the possibility then the Oakland A's might be relocated
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=198423
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=198423
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on March 26, 2012, 12:22:43 PM
Post by: Takumi on March 26, 2012, 12:22:43 PM
There's been talk of moving the A's for years. They tried to move to Fremont a few years ago, but the Giants complained that it was in their territory.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: akotchi on March 26, 2012, 12:51:09 PM
Post by: akotchi on March 26, 2012, 12:51:09 PM
Quote from: Takumi on March 26, 2012, 12:22:43 PMAs a long-suffering A's fan, this is nothing new to me. . .
There's been talk of moving the A's for years. They tried to move to Fremont a few years ago, but the Giants complained that it was in their territory.
Everything in the Bay Area outside Alameda County is Giants territory. That is why it has been so hard to orchestrate a move to stay in the Bay Area. Don't recall the history of the territorial agreement, but I think the organization dug their own hole. As of now, I think they are the only MLB franchise playing in a multi-purpose stadium, and no one wants to play there because of all the foul ground.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on March 26, 2012, 04:56:31 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on March 26, 2012, 04:56:31 PM
Quote from: akotchi on March 26, 2012, 12:51:09 PMAs of now, I think they are the only MLB franchise playing in a multi-purpose stadium, and no one wants to play there because of all the foul ground.
The Rays are still playing in that ugly multipurpose dome.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on March 26, 2012, 05:29:01 PM
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on March 26, 2012, 05:29:01 PM
The Blue Jays play in a multipurpose sports facility too.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on March 29, 2012, 09:11:26 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on March 29, 2012, 09:11:26 PM
Guggenheim Partners led by Magic Johnson just bought the LA Dodgers. http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=391570
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on April 13, 2012, 12:15:36 PM
Post by: Henry on April 13, 2012, 12:15:36 PM
Guess the big question around Chicago is, will Theo Epstein bring the same magic to the Cubs that he brought to Boston?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kendancy66 on April 15, 2012, 12:41:35 AM
Post by: kendancy66 on April 15, 2012, 12:41:35 AM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on March 26, 2012, 09:01:04 AM
I spotted a thread about the possibility then the Oakland A's might be relocated
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=198423
If they did, that would be some kind of record. Philadelphia -> Kansas City -> Oakland -> ??
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on April 15, 2012, 08:22:31 AM
Post by: Henry on April 15, 2012, 08:22:31 AM
Quote from: kendancy66 on April 15, 2012, 12:41:35 AMOne more than the Braves (Boston -> Milwaukee -> Atlanta)Quote from: Stephane Dumas on March 26, 2012, 09:01:04 AM
I spotted a thread about the possibility then the Oakland A's might be relocated
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=198423
If they did, that would be some kind of record. Philadelphia -> Kansas City -> Oakland -> ??
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 15, 2012, 08:42:30 AM
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 15, 2012, 08:42:30 AM
Does San Jose truly count as a relocation though given that it's still in the bay area? It's the same thought as the New Jersey Nets moving to Brooklyn.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeek Adam on April 15, 2012, 10:08:38 AM
Post by: Roadgeek Adam on April 15, 2012, 10:08:38 AM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on April 15, 2012, 08:42:30 AM
Does San Jose truly count as a relocation though given that it's still in the bay area? It's the same thought as the New Jersey Nets moving to Brooklyn.
There is a difference for the Nets, you are crossing the state line. If you cross the state line, you're technically not that team anymore. It is a relocation in my book.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kendancy66 on April 15, 2012, 01:47:04 PM
Post by: kendancy66 on April 15, 2012, 01:47:04 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on April 15, 2012, 08:42:30 AM
Does San Jose truly count as a relocation though given that it's still in the bay area? It's the same thought as the New Jersey Nets moving to Brooklyn.
I didn't look at this close enough. I assumed that they were relocating away from California. Also a better non relocation example would be NY Football Giants and NY Jets moving to New Jersey. I didn't consider that a relocation. But NJ Nets to Brooklyn is a relocation because the location name of the team is changing.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on April 15, 2012, 08:38:24 PM
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on April 15, 2012, 08:38:24 PM
Quote from: kendancy66 on April 15, 2012, 01:47:04 PMQuote from: 74/171FAN on April 15, 2012, 08:42:30 AMI didn't look at this close enough. I assumed that they were relocating away from California. Also a better non relocation example would be NY Football Giants and NY Jets moving to New Jersey. I didn't consider that a relocation. But NJ Nets to Brooklyn is a relocation because the location name of the team is changing.
Does San Jose truly count as a relocation though given that it's still in the bay area? It's the same thought as the New Jersey Nets moving to Brooklyn.
The Nets started out at the Naussau Colaseum as the New York Nets back in the ABA days of the 1970s.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on April 16, 2012, 06:10:14 PM
Post by: Alps on April 16, 2012, 06:10:14 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on April 15, 2012, 08:42:30 AMConsidering that San Jose is in the SF Giants marketing area I wouldn't count it as a relocation.
Does San Jose truly count as a relocation though given that it's still in the bay area? It's the same thought as the New Jersey Nets moving to Brooklyn.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: realjd on April 20, 2012, 06:56:32 AM
Post by: realjd on April 20, 2012, 06:56:32 AM
Quote from: Roadgeek Adam on April 15, 2012, 10:08:38 AMQuote from: 74/171FAN on April 15, 2012, 08:42:30 AMThere is a difference for the Nets, you are crossing the state line. If you cross the state line, you're technically not that team anymore. It is a relocation in my book.
Does San Jose truly count as a relocation though given that it's still in the bay area? It's the same thought as the New Jersey Nets moving to Brooklyn.
I disagree in cases of multi-state metro areas. If the Royals moved to KC, Kansas, you'd still count it as a relocation?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on April 20, 2012, 07:17:06 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on April 20, 2012, 07:17:06 PM
Not all metro areas are created equal. Renaming guidelines need to take into account that while most metro areas are dominated by one large city, others are not. The name of the lone major city can be attached to a team no matter where they play in the metro area. But when you have twin cities, or even a triplet of cities in the case of the Bay Area, it gets tricky.
If the Athletics moved to San Jose, for example, it is my opinion, that would necessitate a name change to the San Jose Athletics.
But the fact that the New York football teams play in New Jersey is acceptable.
Minnesota can get around the problem by sticking the state name on their teams, since there is no other large media market in that state.
The Marlins switching from Florida to Miami was the right move now that the state has two franchises.
But then there's those damn Cowboys. I have no idea when they last played in the actual city of Dallas, but it's been decades for sure. And because Dallas is twinned with Fort Worth, we should be taking a lead from their baseball team and calling them the Texas Cowboys. That certainly rolls off the tongue perfectly fine.
Finally, with the Nets moving to Brooklyn, that name change makes perfect sense since they went out of their way to call themselves the New Jersey Nets years ago. In my opinion, a return to the "New York Nets" would also be acceptable. But in a super-big metro area with 2 franchises, I understand the desire for them to create their own identities. Just look at the crap the Angels went through. LA used to have the Los Angeles Dodgers and the California Angels and everything seemed fine. Then suddenly they tried to be the Anaheim Angels. Now we have that ridiculousness of the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim and some people use "Los Angeles" and others use "Anaheim". It reeks of a suburb's inferiority complex. In my mind, they get to be the LA Angels or the California Angels. Pick one.
If the Athletics moved to San Jose, for example, it is my opinion, that would necessitate a name change to the San Jose Athletics.
But the fact that the New York football teams play in New Jersey is acceptable.
Minnesota can get around the problem by sticking the state name on their teams, since there is no other large media market in that state.
The Marlins switching from Florida to Miami was the right move now that the state has two franchises.
But then there's those damn Cowboys. I have no idea when they last played in the actual city of Dallas, but it's been decades for sure. And because Dallas is twinned with Fort Worth, we should be taking a lead from their baseball team and calling them the Texas Cowboys. That certainly rolls off the tongue perfectly fine.
Finally, with the Nets moving to Brooklyn, that name change makes perfect sense since they went out of their way to call themselves the New Jersey Nets years ago. In my opinion, a return to the "New York Nets" would also be acceptable. But in a super-big metro area with 2 franchises, I understand the desire for them to create their own identities. Just look at the crap the Angels went through. LA used to have the Los Angeles Dodgers and the California Angels and everything seemed fine. Then suddenly they tried to be the Anaheim Angels. Now we have that ridiculousness of the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim and some people use "Los Angeles" and others use "Anaheim". It reeks of a suburb's inferiority complex. In my mind, they get to be the LA Angels or the California Angels. Pick one.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: realjd on April 20, 2012, 08:49:52 PM
Post by: realjd on April 20, 2012, 08:49:52 PM
Orange County Angels would have made more sense IMO. They have enough of a distinct identity from Los Angeles to make it work, but at a county level, not a city level.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Beltway on April 20, 2012, 09:58:09 PM
Post by: Beltway on April 20, 2012, 09:58:09 PM
Surprise, surprise! Washington Nationals are 10-4.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 20, 2012, 10:13:53 PM
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 20, 2012, 10:13:53 PM
I'm not surprised at all. With adding Gio Gonzalez and Edwin Jackson(at least for this year) to Stephen Strasburg and Jordan Zimmermann I expect them to contend for one of the Wild Cards. To me the bigger question is whether they will truly honor Strasburg's innings limit if they are still in contention.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on April 20, 2012, 10:51:25 PM
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on April 20, 2012, 10:51:25 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on April 20, 2012, 10:13:53 PMGoing with Davy's track record with the Mets and Orioles, I'd imagine the innings limit will be discarded for team glory.
I'm not surprised at all. With adding Gio Gonzalez and Edwin Jackson(at least for this year) to Stephen Strasburg and Jordan Zimmermann I expect them to contend for one of the Wild Cards. To me the bigger question is whether they will truly honor Strasburg's innings limit if they are still in contention.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: DTComposer on April 24, 2012, 10:57:56 AM
Post by: DTComposer on April 24, 2012, 10:57:56 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on April 20, 2012, 07:17:06 PM
Just look at the crap the Angels went through. LA used to have the Los Angeles Dodgers and the California Angels and everything seemed fine. Then suddenly they tried to be the Anaheim Angels. Now we have that ridiculousness of the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim and some people use "Los Angeles" and others use "Anaheim". It reeks of a suburb's inferiority complex. In my mind, they get to be the LA Angels or the California Angels. Pick one.
They were contractually required to use Anaheim since the city funded the majority of the stadium renovation in the '90s, and Disney (who owned the team at the time, along with the (Mighty) Ducks) was fine with it, as they were trying to market Anaheim as a resort destination. After they sold the team, the new owners chose the convoluted name for marketing purposes (identifying with L.A.) while still fulfilling the terms of their agreement with the city of Anaheim.
I'd be curious to see if the name change actually had a positive effect on ticket sales, merchandising, etc. It should be noted that the Angels' one World Series title came when they were the Anaheim Angels.
I never liked "California Angels." State names work when there's one dominant metropolitan area in the state containing all the pro teams (i.e. Minnesota, Colorado, Arizona), or if they're the only team from that league in the state (i.e. Tennessee, Carolina), but growing up in Northern California with the Giants and A's, I had no identification with the Angels.
However, "Golden State Warriors" is even sillier...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 24, 2012, 11:39:45 AM
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 24, 2012, 11:39:45 AM
I've always thought "Anaheim Angels" was elegant and euphonic.
does anyone, outside of Arte Moreno's inner circle of yes-men, actually like the name "Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim"?
does anyone, outside of Arte Moreno's inner circle of yes-men, actually like the name "Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim"?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on April 24, 2012, 01:48:54 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on April 24, 2012, 01:48:54 PM
Quote from: DTComposer on April 24, 2012, 10:57:56 AM
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I never liked "California Angels." State names work when there's one dominant metropolitan area in the state containing all the pro teams (i.e. Minnesota, Colorado, Arizona), or if they're the only team from that league in the state (i.e. Tennessee, Carolina), but growing up in Northern California with the Giants and A's, I had no identification with the Angels.
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I can think of one other situation and that's where the state name goes with the team name in a particularly significant way. The example that comes to mind is the NHL's Florida Panthers, who are not the only NHL team in the state (Tampa Bay Lightning) nor the original NHL team in the state (the Lightning came first). But the animal after which the team is named is the "Florida panther," an endangered species native to the Everglades, rather than just a generic "panther" as a type of cat. So in that situation the using state's name, rather than "Miami Panthers," makes some sense.
I read somewhere that the owner of the NBA's Miami Heat originally wanted to call them the Florida Heat but the league ordered him to change it once they decided the 1987 expansion would include a second Florida team, the Orlando Magic.
I've never liked the use of "Tampa Bay" even though I understand the perfectly legitimate marketing reasons for using it. I've simply seen too many media reports that erroneously use the name "Tampa Bay" as though it were an actual city (example: "The Outback Bowl is played at 11:00 AM on January 1 in Tampa Bay, Florida.") rather than a metropolitan area or a body of water. (The football game is played in Tampa, not in the water.)
The Florida example reminds me of another reason why state names don't necessarily work as well: A league may add another team in that state. Baseball is a good example because the Florida Marlins were originally the only team there and the Tampa Bay Devil Rays came along a few years later. Obviously the Marlins have now changed to "Miami," but Tennessee would be another situation where I could see an NFL team potentially landing in Memphis someday.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on April 24, 2012, 02:18:48 PM
Post by: Takumi on April 24, 2012, 02:18:48 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 24, 2012, 11:39:45 AM
I've always thought "Anaheim Angels" was elegant and euphonic.
does anyone, outside of Arte Moreno's inner circle of yes-men, actually like the name "Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim"?
No, but it does open the door for some jokes that make the name even more ridiculous. For example, when Torii Hunter signed there after leaving the Twins a few years ago, one writer joked that his popularity in Minnesota could cause the Angels to be renamed the "Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim And Also Much of the Upper Midwest".
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: huskeroadgeek on April 24, 2012, 06:35:31 PM
Post by: huskeroadgeek on April 24, 2012, 06:35:31 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 24, 2012, 01:48:54 PM...I've come across that several times. I once had somebody actually tell me I was wrong when I told them that the name of the city that the Buccaneers played in was Tampa and not Tampa Bay. Their reasoning was that since Green Bay was a city, so was Tampa Bay.
I've never liked the use of "Tampa Bay" even though I understand the perfectly legitimate marketing reasons for using it. I've simply seen too many media reports that erroneously use the name "Tampa Bay" as though it were an actual city (example: "The Outback Bowl is played at 11:00 AM on January 1 in Tampa Bay, Florida.") rather than a metropolitan area or a body of water. (The football game is played in Tampa, not in the water.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on June 01, 2012, 10:42:24 PM
Post by: Alps on June 01, 2012, 10:42:24 PM
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Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on June 09, 2012, 10:01:51 AM
Post by: Takumi on June 09, 2012, 10:01:51 AM
Another no-hitter last night. This time the Mariners no-hit the Dodgers, using five relievers after Kevin Millwood left with an injury after the sixth.
Somewhere, Tony La Russa nods approvingly.
Somewhere, Tony La Russa nods approvingly.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on June 11, 2012, 01:15:16 PM
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on June 11, 2012, 01:15:16 PM
Quote from: Takumi on June 09, 2012, 10:01:51 AMMan the Dodgers are sliding down into the dark pit...shame that Kemp can't "stay healthy". Oh and so are the Metsies...can't catch a break on the road (and a bit of a disappointment coming from this die hard fan).
Another no-hitter last night. This time the Mariners no-hit the Dodgers, using five relievers after Kevin Millwood left with an injury after the sixth.
Somewhere, Tony La Russa nods approvingly.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: texaskdog on June 11, 2012, 02:33:36 PM
Post by: texaskdog on June 11, 2012, 02:33:36 PM
Quote from: Steve on November 22, 2011, 09:39:13 PM
Speaking of base-ball, looks like the Astros are going to the AL after all, so you'll have two 15-team leagues. To balance them out and prevent still more interleague, I propose adding a 16th team to each league. I've received some interesting comments on other potential additions but I'm sticking by these anyway.
AL East: Red Sox, Yankees, Orioles, Blue Jays
AL North: Twins, Tigers, White Sox, Indians
AL South: Rays, Astros, Rangers, Flyers - adding a Carolina team to a large, untapped market. Raleigh or Charlotte, doesn't matter.
AL West: Mariners, A's, Angels, Royals (someone has to do it)
NL East: Mets, Phillies, Nationals, Grays - mostly for historical sentiment, I'll admit, but I can't think of a better baseball city anyway.
NL North: Pirates, Reds, Brewers, Cubs
NL South: Braves, Marlins, Cardinals, Diamondbacks
NL West: Rockies, Giants, Dodgers, Padres
Austin....we don't have any major league teams and baseball does really well up in Round Rock, and will never be an NFL city
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: DBrim on June 12, 2012, 06:22:43 PM
Post by: DBrim on June 12, 2012, 06:22:43 PM
Quote from: Roadmaestro95 on June 11, 2012, 01:15:16 PMFunny how a 7-3 road trip is "sliding down a dark pit".Quote from: Takumi on June 09, 2012, 10:01:51 AMMan the Dodgers are sliding down into the dark pit...shame that Kemp can't "stay healthy". Oh and so are the Metsies...can't catch a break on the road (and a bit of a disappointment coming from this die hard fan).
Another no-hitter last night. This time the Mariners no-hit the Dodgers, using five relievers after Kevin Millwood left with an injury after the sixth.
Somewhere, Tony La Russa nods approvingly.
I wish the Angels series was on a weekend so I could watch it. Last night's game was close, and the other games should be good as well.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 14, 2012, 11:09:38 AM
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 14, 2012, 11:09:38 AM
Matt Cain perfect game, 14 K's.
of course, by now this is so routine that espn.com's front page shows some random golf thing instead of that.
of course, by now this is so routine that espn.com's front page shows some random golf thing instead of that.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on June 14, 2012, 12:19:33 PM
Post by: Takumi on June 14, 2012, 12:19:33 PM
That and ESPN considers anything baseball-related outside the AL East and NL East to be less significant.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on June 16, 2012, 10:42:04 PM
Post by: Takumi on June 16, 2012, 10:42:04 PM
Almost another no-hitter tonight. Jason Hammel of the Orioles gave up only one hit to the Braves, a single to Jason Heyward in the 7th. But thanks to MLB's blackout rules, I couldn't watch it despite being in the Orioles broadcast territory.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on June 16, 2012, 11:31:48 PM
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on June 16, 2012, 11:31:48 PM
Quote from: Takumi on June 16, 2012, 10:42:04 PMThis year is so exciting with starting pitching in the MLB! With the Mets grabbing a no-hit bid with Santana, Dickey almost getting one of his own, Cain's perfecto, Humber's perfecto, and now Hammel almost grabbing one for the Birds (gotta love the O's this year!) the pitching this year is unbelievable!
Almost another no-hitter tonight. Jason Hammel of the Orioles gave up only one hit, a single to Jason Heyward in the 7th. But thanks to MLB's blackout rules, I couldn't watch it despite being in the Orioles broadcast territory.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Mr_Northside on June 16, 2012, 11:53:35 PM
Post by: Mr_Northside on June 16, 2012, 11:53:35 PM
At least we know that steroid use is certainly going down.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on July 11, 2012, 08:18:40 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on July 11, 2012, 08:18:40 PM
On this, the only day in America without pro sports, I'll just say this:
Suck it, American League! 3 in a row baby! How do YOU like it? I guess you needed more Yankees or something.
Suck it, American League! 3 in a row baby! How do YOU like it? I guess you needed more Yankees or something.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on July 11, 2012, 08:37:31 PM
Post by: Alps on July 11, 2012, 08:37:31 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on July 11, 2012, 08:18:40 PMWashington and Connecticut are currently playing. San Antonio has already defeated Chicago and Atlanta has taken out Seattle. In a pro sport.
On this, the only day in America without pro sports, I'll just say this:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on July 11, 2012, 09:04:00 PM
Post by: corco on July 11, 2012, 09:04:00 PM
Hahahahahahahaha- that's a pro sport as much as I am a goldfish
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on July 11, 2012, 09:30:19 PM
Post by: Alps on July 11, 2012, 09:30:19 PM
Quote from: corco on July 11, 2012, 09:04:00 PMGlub glub.
Hahahahahahahaha- that's a pro sport as much as I am a goldfish
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on July 11, 2012, 09:36:01 PM
Post by: corco on July 11, 2012, 09:36:01 PM
I share about 80% of my DNA with a goldfish, and I'd say the WNBA is less than 80% a professional sport
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on July 11, 2012, 10:44:34 PM
Post by: Alps on July 11, 2012, 10:44:34 PM
Quote from: corco on July 11, 2012, 09:36:01 PMThe women who play it would strongly disagree. Basketball is a sport, and they are paid to play it. Ergo, professional.
I share about 80% of my DNA with a goldfish, and I'd say the WNBA is less than 80% a professional sport
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on July 11, 2012, 10:47:18 PM
Post by: corco on July 11, 2012, 10:47:18 PM
Hahahahahahahahaha- women's basketball is a sport
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 12, 2012, 09:31:17 PM
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 12, 2012, 09:31:17 PM
Quote from: corco on July 11, 2012, 10:47:18 PM
Hahahahahahahahaha- women's basketball is a sport
Sort of like outsiders viewing us, "roadgeeks," as neurotic cranks.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CanesFan27 on July 14, 2012, 06:43:25 PM
Post by: CanesFan27 on July 14, 2012, 06:43:25 PM
Took in a ball game at PNC Park over the 4th.
The Pirates beat the Astros 2-0.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamontheroad/sets/72157630521579114/
The Pirates beat the Astros 2-0.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamontheroad/sets/72157630521579114/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 01, 2012, 10:30:05 PM
Post by: Desert Man on October 01, 2012, 10:30:05 PM
The season is ending and my Angels are 2 games behind the A's in an effort to get to the AL wild card. I saw the Orioles and Yankees tied in the AL East, and the Reds and Nationals are leading the NL. Sadly, the Astros are in the bottom of the standings and next year is their first in the American League, the same division where the "Super-Rangers" have their 3rd straight winning season...and sorry Dodger fans, their cross-state rival Giants clinched the NL West.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on October 01, 2012, 10:55:26 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on October 01, 2012, 10:55:26 PM
I never thought we'd get another team in DC. Makes tonight that much nicer.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 01, 2012, 11:05:55 PM
Post by: Takumi on October 01, 2012, 11:05:55 PM
It's a good time to be a baseball fan from the Mid-Atlantic. (Unlike, say, every year since 2005. That was both the year the Nats moved and when I started watching the Orioles.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 02, 2012, 02:58:00 PM
Post by: Desert Man on October 02, 2012, 02:58:00 PM
:clap: The Dodgers won last night vs. the Giants, however the chances of wild card qualification remains slim for the "Blue crew". :-/ Don Mattingly managed the Dodgers like a manager should. Too bad for the Padres had a less than .500 year, rumor has it is looking to sign Sandy Alomar Jr. to manage them (also the Indians also contactedand him).
I still want the Angels get the AL wild card spot in pursuit for their first world series in a decade. The problem was Albert Pujols and C.J. Wilson, former world series rivals last year needed to learn some teamwork in Angel uniform. This will happen in the world of pro sports when free agency and trading times can make teammates into rivals (and vice versa).
I still want the Angels get the AL wild card spot in pursuit for their first world series in a decade. The problem was Albert Pujols and C.J. Wilson, former world series rivals last year needed to learn some teamwork in Angel uniform. This will happen in the world of pro sports when free agency and trading times can make teammates into rivals (and vice versa).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 02, 2012, 03:16:51 PM
Post by: Takumi on October 02, 2012, 03:16:51 PM
Quote from: Mike D boy on October 02, 2012, 02:58:00 PMThey've been eliminated. The five AL playoff teams are the Yankees, Orioles, Tigers, Rangers and A's. The Tigers are the only ones whose spot is known (AL Central champs) because the other four teams are all close enough record-wise that the AL East and West are still undecided. The Yankees and Rangers both lead their divisions, and the A's and Orioles have identical records (92-68) in the wild card spots. Oakland won the season series 5-4 over the Orioles, so the wild card game would be in Oakland if the standings stay as is.
I still want the Angels get the AL wild card spot in pursuit for their first world series in a decade.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Duke87 on October 02, 2012, 11:38:47 PM
Post by: Duke87 on October 02, 2012, 11:38:47 PM
Apparently this year they've decided to start breaking ties for division champ vs wild card with an extra 1-game playoff rather than using head to head records. So, if the Yankees lose and Baltimore wins tomorrow night, they go at each other but both go to the playoffs regardless.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 03, 2012, 01:27:23 AM
Post by: Alps on October 03, 2012, 01:27:23 AM
Quote from: Duke87 on October 02, 2012, 11:38:47 PMOnly if you believe the hype. The reason you need a one-game playoff is because you have a further one-game playoff for the two wild card teams. So winning the division guarantees you entry to "the playoffs", whereas wild card teams only have a 50% chance.
Apparently this year they've decided to start breaking ties for division champ vs wild card with an extra 1-game playoff rather than using head to head records. So, if the Yankees lose and Baltimore wins tomorrow night, they go at each other but both go to the playoffs regardless.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 03, 2012, 04:50:31 AM
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 03, 2012, 04:50:31 AM
Though the Reds denied the Cardinals a win last night by 3-1, the Cardinals are in the playoffs now. Apparently the Dodgers lost.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 03, 2012, 10:00:17 PM
Post by: Takumi on October 03, 2012, 10:00:17 PM
The AL playoff teams are set. The Yankees win the East, the Tigers the Central, the A's (!) the West, and the Rangers and Orioles (both 93-69) the wild cards. The Rangers won the season series over the Orioles, so the Wild Card game is in Texas.
Also, Miguel Cabrera of the Tigers wins the first Triple Crown since 1967.
Also, Miguel Cabrera of the Tigers wins the first Triple Crown since 1967.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 03, 2012, 10:11:34 PM
Post by: Alps on October 03, 2012, 10:11:34 PM
Quote from: Takumi on October 03, 2012, 10:00:17 PMPretty sure the Orioles weren't expecting a trip to Arlington tomorrow. Congrats to Miggy, and go Yankees!
The AL playoff teams are set. The Yankees win the East, the Tigers the Central, the A's (!) the West, and the Rangers and Orioles (both 93-69) the wild cards. The Rangers won the season series over the Orioles, so the Wild Card game is in Texas.
Also, Miguel Cabrera of the Tigers wins the first Triple Crown since 1967.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Duke87 on October 03, 2012, 10:35:09 PM
Post by: Duke87 on October 03, 2012, 10:35:09 PM
Time to start busting out the predictions...
Orioles over Rangers: Texas slid into this position and is reeling. Baltimore is chugging along and will be stronger.
Braves over Cardinals: 5-1 head to head regular season. Easy call.
Yankees over Orioles in 4: sorry Baltimore, but the Cinderella story this year is 50 miles to the south.
A's over Tigers in 4: the A's are on a roll right now. That will keep up.
Reds over Giants in 5: another toss-up, but for the sake of this exercise I have to pick one.
Nationals over Braves in 4: the Braves are overrated. And this is clearly Washington's year.
A's over Yankees in 7: The Bombers do not have a good record over the past decade or so of converting postseason appearances into championships. This year will not improve that record, but they will go down respectably.
Nationals over Reds in 6: will be a tough matchup, but again, this is Washington's year.
A's over Nationals in 5: But then in the world series, the carriage turns back into a pumpkin and the Nats fall to a team that has good experience with championships. "Their year" is just a pennant.
edited to fix seeding error
Orioles over Rangers: Texas slid into this position and is reeling. Baltimore is chugging along and will be stronger.
Braves over Cardinals: 5-1 head to head regular season. Easy call.
Yankees over Orioles in 4: sorry Baltimore, but the Cinderella story this year is 50 miles to the south.
A's over Tigers in 4: the A's are on a roll right now. That will keep up.
Reds over Giants in 5: another toss-up, but for the sake of this exercise I have to pick one.
Nationals over Braves in 4: the Braves are overrated. And this is clearly Washington's year.
A's over Yankees in 7: The Bombers do not have a good record over the past decade or so of converting postseason appearances into championships. This year will not improve that record, but they will go down respectably.
Nationals over Reds in 6: will be a tough matchup, but again, this is Washington's year.
A's over Nationals in 5: But then in the world series, the carriage turns back into a pumpkin and the Nats fall to a team that has good experience with championships. "Their year" is just a pennant.
edited to fix seeding error
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 03, 2012, 10:40:35 PM
Post by: Takumi on October 03, 2012, 10:40:35 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on October 03, 2012, 10:35:09 PM
Time to start busting out the predictions...
Orioles over Rangers: Texas slid into this position and is reeling. Baltimore is chugging along and will be stronger.
The Wild Card game winner plays the Yankees, because they have the best record. But I agree that the Rangers haven't looked that good lately, so the Orioles may have a good chance, even though they played most poorly against the AL West this year.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 03, 2012, 11:46:46 PM
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 03, 2012, 11:46:46 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on October 03, 2012, 10:35:09 PMMy predictions:
Time to start busting out the predictions...
Orioles over Rangers: Texas slid into this position and is reeling. Baltimore is chugging along and will be stronger.
Braves over Cardinals: 5-1 head to head regular season. Easy call.
Yankees over Orioles in 4: sorry Baltimore, but the Cinderella story this year is 50 miles to the south.
A's over Tigers in 4: the A's are on a roll right now. That will keep up.
Reds over Giants in 5: another toss-up, but for the sake of this exercise I have to pick one.
Nationals over Braves in 4: the Braves are overrated. And this is clearly Washington's year.
A's over Yankees in 7: The Bombers do not have a good record over the past decade or so of converting postseason appearances into championships. This year will not improve that record, but they will go down respectably.
Nationals over Reds in 6: will be a tough matchup, but again, this is Washington's year.
A's over Nationals in 5: But then in the world series, the carriage turns back into a pumpkin and the Nats fall to a team that has good experience with championships. "Their year" is just a pennant.
edited to fix seeding error
a. Yes, the Braves will beat the Cardinals. After all, you can't expect the defending champion team to be able to defend their championship by repeating when their head coach (Matheny) was previously a little league head coach. And Atlanta will want revenge for their fallout last year. Though it's crazy how the Cardinals have never repeated a World Series win.
b. Orioles over Rangers may be a little far-fetched, but the Rangers in my opinion are like the Buffalo Bills in MLB. I'll agree to this prediction. And the Yankees should be able to win against Baltimore.
c. The Reds will beat any NL team in their path. I don't think this is the Nationals year.
d. Yes the A's did sweep the Yanks this year :banghead: but I think the Yankees will have revenge.
So my World Series prediction is:
Yankees vs. Reds. To be optimistic I'll say Yanks in 5. If Mariano Riveria is retiring this year, he should be able to do it in style. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on October 04, 2012, 03:23:58 AM
Post by: amroad17 on October 04, 2012, 03:23:58 AM
I like your prediction NYYPhil777! Being a Yankees fan living outside of Cincinnati would make this World Series sweet. Might even splurge and get tickets if this comes to fruition.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: akotchi on October 04, 2012, 09:17:56 AM
Post by: akotchi on October 04, 2012, 09:17:56 AM
Quote from: Takumi on October 03, 2012, 10:00:17 PM(emphasis is mine)
The AL playoff teams are set. The Yankees win the East, the Tigers the Central, the A's (!) the West, and the Rangers and Orioles (both 93-69) the wild cards. The Rangers won the season series over the Orioles, so the Wild Card game is in Texas.
Also, Miguel Cabrera of the Tigers wins the first Triple Crown since 1967.
I'm happy. :bigass:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 04, 2012, 06:40:46 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 04, 2012, 06:40:46 PM
How about a Bal-Wash World Series?
I want that to happen just so I can use that funny shorthand.
And because those teams have been terrible forever and I'm jonesing for some more parity in baseball.
But as usual I'll cheer for anyone playing the Yankee$.
I want that to happen just so I can use that funny shorthand.
And because those teams have been terrible forever and I'm jonesing for some more parity in baseball.
But as usual I'll cheer for anyone playing the Yankee$.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 04, 2012, 06:45:10 PM
Post by: Alps on October 04, 2012, 06:45:10 PM
Texas-Baltimore: Saunders vs. Darvish. I think Texas has the better pitcher lined up here, so I'll give them the win.
St. Louis-Atlanta: Both pitchers look to be excellent - Medlen has out of this world numbers, but anything can happen in 9 innings. This game I predict hinges on hitting, which I'll give to the Braves.
NY-Texas: Here's where the streaks come in, the Yankees having gotten hot at the right time. Sweep.
Detroit-Oakland: Ride the hot hand. Oakland in 5. (Detroit has some good pitching and hitting, so it will be hard won.)
Washington-San Francisco: Don't forget that the Nats and Braves can't play in the first round. Washington sweep.
Cincinnati-Atlanta: Atlanta in 4, the upset special of the DS. They've been there before, and the Reds always seem to underperform at the end of the year.
NY-Oakland: Yankees in 5. People will be expecting this to be a longer series, but a couple of breaks can make it go a lot faster. This is just a gut feeling, I can't back it up. (Also, the Yankees are known for defeating the A's in the playoffs.)
Washingon-Atlanta: Washington in 6. I want to pick Atlanta for many reasons - heck, look how close the regular season ended for the team supposedly "best in baseball" - but Washington has so much pitching depth they don't even need Strasburg to win in the playoffs. That said,
NY-Washington: Yankees in 6. Strasburg will be the difference between a WS win and a WS loss.
St. Louis-Atlanta: Both pitchers look to be excellent - Medlen has out of this world numbers, but anything can happen in 9 innings. This game I predict hinges on hitting, which I'll give to the Braves.
NY-Texas: Here's where the streaks come in, the Yankees having gotten hot at the right time. Sweep.
Detroit-Oakland: Ride the hot hand. Oakland in 5. (Detroit has some good pitching and hitting, so it will be hard won.)
Washington-San Francisco: Don't forget that the Nats and Braves can't play in the first round. Washington sweep.
Cincinnati-Atlanta: Atlanta in 4, the upset special of the DS. They've been there before, and the Reds always seem to underperform at the end of the year.
NY-Oakland: Yankees in 5. People will be expecting this to be a longer series, but a couple of breaks can make it go a lot faster. This is just a gut feeling, I can't back it up. (Also, the Yankees are known for defeating the A's in the playoffs.)
Washingon-Atlanta: Washington in 6. I want to pick Atlanta for many reasons - heck, look how close the regular season ended for the team supposedly "best in baseball" - but Washington has so much pitching depth they don't even need Strasburg to win in the playoffs. That said,
NY-Washington: Yankees in 6. Strasburg will be the difference between a WS win and a WS loss.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 04, 2012, 06:45:34 PM
Post by: Alps on October 04, 2012, 06:45:34 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 04, 2012, 06:40:46 PMAs per the parkway, it's Balto-Wash.
How about a Bal-Wash World Series?
I want that to happen just so I can use that funny shorthand.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 04, 2012, 08:57:14 PM
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 04, 2012, 08:57:14 PM
The Reds might be underrated- after all, the NL Central champs aren't at said position for no reason. If the Reds can hold the defending champion Cardinals to second place, that has to be something special. And if San Francisco is to face Washington, I'd say it would be San Francisco sweep.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: akotchi on October 04, 2012, 10:40:15 PM
Post by: akotchi on October 04, 2012, 10:40:15 PM
Quote from: Steve on October 04, 2012, 06:45:10 PMI thought the rule of same-division teams facing one another in the Division Series was removed with the new format. Isn't it strictly seeding now?
Texas-Baltimore: Saunders vs. Darvish. I think Texas has the better pitcher lined up here, so I'll give them the win.
St. Louis-Atlanta: Both pitchers look to be excellent - Medlen has out of this world numbers, but anything can happen in 9 innings. This game I predict hinges on hitting, which I'll give to the Braves.
NY-Texas: Here's where the streaks come in, the Yankees having gotten hot at the right time. Sweep.
Detroit-Oakland: Ride the hot hand. Oakland in 5. (Detroit has some good pitching and hitting, so it will be hard won.)
Washington-San Francisco: Don't forget that the Nats and Braves can't play in the first round. Washington sweep.
Cincinnati-Atlanta: Atlanta in 4, the upset special of the DS. They've been there before, and the Reds always seem to underperform at the end of the year.
NY-Oakland: Yankees in 5. People will be expecting this to be a longer series, but a couple of breaks can make it go a lot faster. This is just a gut feeling, I can't back it up. (Also, the Yankees are known for defeating the A's in the playoffs.)
Washingon-Atlanta: Washington in 6. I want to pick Atlanta for many reasons - heck, look how close the regular season ended for the team supposedly "best in baseball" - but Washington has so much pitching depth they don't even need Strasburg to win in the playoffs. That said,
NY-Washington: Yankees in 6. Strasburg will be the difference between a WS win and a WS loss.
Also . . . thanks for reminding me of 2001 Game 3 all over again . . . :banghead:
I'd like to think the A's will go deep in the playoffs (though I am biased) -- they faced all of the other AL playoff teams just during September. Question is . . . can they do as well going through it a second time, especially worn down by the first time through. Might be a light clubhouse, but there are many heavily-worked arms on the pitching staff right now and quite a few rookies not used to that amount of work.
We shall see, though.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Duke87 on October 04, 2012, 10:49:18 PM
Post by: Duke87 on October 04, 2012, 10:49:18 PM
Quote from: akotchi on October 04, 2012, 10:40:15 PM
I thought the rule of same-division teams facing one another in the Division Series was removed with the new format. Isn't it strictly seeding now?
Yup. 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3. 4 is the wild card team. 1, 2, and 3 are the three division winners from best record to worst record. This works out as NYY(1) vs WC(4) and OAK(2) vs DET(3) in the AL, and WSH(1) vs WC(4) and CIN(2) vs SF(3)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 04, 2012, 11:36:54 PM
Post by: Alps on October 04, 2012, 11:36:54 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on October 04, 2012, 10:49:18 PMQuote from: akotchi on October 04, 2012, 10:40:15 PM
I thought the rule of same-division teams facing one another in the Division Series was removed with the new format. Isn't it strictly seeding now?
Yup. 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3. 4 is the wild card team. 1, 2, and 3 are the three division winners from best record to worst record. This works out as NYY(1) vs WC(4) and OAK(2) vs DET(3) in the AL, and WSH(1) vs WC(4) and CIN(2) vs SF(3)
I searched online for that and didn't see it, but if they removed it, so it goes. In that case I definitely hope Baltimore wins - it's a better baseball matchup. (Though, as a Yankees fan, I should want the weaker opponent.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 05, 2012, 07:19:07 AM
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 05, 2012, 07:19:07 AM
Quote from: Steve on October 04, 2012, 11:36:54 PMQuote from: Duke87 on October 04, 2012, 10:49:18 PMQuote from: akotchi on October 04, 2012, 10:40:15 PM
I thought the rule of same-division teams facing one another in the Division Series was removed with the new format. Isn't it strictly seeding now?
Yup. 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3. 4 is the wild card team. 1, 2, and 3 are the three division winners from best record to worst record. This works out as NYY(1) vs WC(4) and OAK(2) vs DET(3) in the AL, and WSH(1) vs WC(4) and CIN(2) vs SF(3)
I searched online for that and didn't see it, but if they removed it, so it goes. In that case I definitely hope Baltimore wins - it's a better baseball matchup. (Though, as a Yankees fan, I should want the weaker opponent.)
It has been removed. I definitely know that because as a Braves fan I know they will be playing the Nationals if they win tonight. This MLB.com article that verifies that point (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120925&content_id=38984388&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb) as it is referencing these matchups possibly happening.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 05, 2012, 08:47:39 PM
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 05, 2012, 08:47:39 PM
So the Cardinals have beaten the Braves 6-3 to win the NL Wild Card. The Cards will now face the Nats in the NL(D?)S.
As for my World Series predictions, I just hope it'll somehow turn into the Battle of the Bay with the Giants in the A's facing each other. That'll be epic.
As for my World Series predictions, I just hope it'll somehow turn into the Battle of the Bay with the Giants in the A's facing each other. That'll be epic.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hbelkins on October 05, 2012, 09:24:30 PM
Post by: hbelkins on October 05, 2012, 09:24:30 PM
I haven't been a MLB fan since the 1994 strike, but I couldn't help but notice tonight. My FB feed blew up over an alleged bad call concerning the infield fly rule.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on October 05, 2012, 09:35:08 PM
Post by: corco on October 05, 2012, 09:35:08 PM
You mean the outfield fly rule?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 06, 2012, 12:42:26 AM
Post by: Takumi on October 06, 2012, 12:42:26 AM
The Orioles won the AL wild card game, 5-1. Joe Saunders (VA represent!) outdueled the Rangers' Yu Darvish, with the Orioles adding a few more runs late in the game. The O's now face the Yankees in the ALDS. Should be an interesting series, since they split the season series 9-9.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on October 06, 2012, 08:50:26 PM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on October 06, 2012, 08:50:26 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 05, 2012, 09:24:30 PM
I haven't been a MLB fan since the 1994 strike, but I couldn't help but notice tonight. My FB feed blew up over an alleged bad call concerning the infield fly rule.
The more I see replays and hear about it the less horrible I think it was, but I still don't agree with it. At the same time though people can't compare it to the Packers/Seahawks call. The Braves were losing at the time of the call and still would have needed 2 or 3 clutch hits to tie or lead.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 06, 2012, 10:28:19 PM
Post by: Alps on October 06, 2012, 10:28:19 PM
Quote from: corco on October 05, 2012, 09:35:08 PMIt wasn't egregious. The thing is, the infielder was clearly camped under it well before the ball fell - but between the late fly rule call and the outfielder behind him, he pulled out at the last second. If the call had been made earlier or not at all, it might have played out differently. (Unless the umpire didn't make any noise when he called. I don't know.) It didn't concern me as something worth protesting, which was borne out by the quick decision.
You mean the outfield fly rule?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Duke87 on October 06, 2012, 11:00:04 PM
Post by: Duke87 on October 06, 2012, 11:00:04 PM
I just don't see how running back halfway to the warning track constitutes "ordinary effort". Yes, it's at the umpire's discretion and the call is legit by the book, but come on now.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hbelkins on October 06, 2012, 11:11:08 PM
Post by: hbelkins on October 06, 2012, 11:11:08 PM
Quote from: Steve on October 06, 2012, 10:28:19 PMhe pulled out at the last second
:-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 08, 2012, 01:03:17 AM
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 08, 2012, 01:03:17 AM
Yankees beat Baltimore tonight 7-2. :thumbsup:
Like I said, the Reds will be a force to be reckoned with- they shut-out the Giants tonight 9-0.
Now I'm thinking the Tigers will destroy the A's.
And the Nationals beat the Cardinals 3-2.
Looking good so far.
(Corrected- the Nationals did not score 4 and the Cardinals did not score 3.)
Like I said, the Reds will be a force to be reckoned with- they shut-out the Giants tonight 9-0.
Now I'm thinking the Tigers will destroy the A's.
And the Nationals beat the Cardinals 3-2.
Looking good so far.
(Corrected- the Nationals did not score 4 and the Cardinals did not score 3.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 09, 2012, 03:16:39 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 09, 2012, 03:16:39 PM
The Reds and the Tigers will be going for the sweep today. Seems likely at least one will prevail.
Things are all even after 2 in the other Division Series'. The Cardinals did it with offense; the Orioles with pitching (and a lot of LOB).
It seems unfair that only the World Series and one of the League Championships are broadcast on free TV. Make people have cable/satellite to watch the playoffs for America's Past Time? That's bullcrap.
I guess I should be happy they still broadcast baseball games at all on regular TV in this media landscape.
I say this as a person who has all the requisite cable channels at his disposal (in HD no less). It's the principle of the matter. Baseball should be important enough for network television in the United States of America; especially the playoffs.
Things are all even after 2 in the other Division Series'. The Cardinals did it with offense; the Orioles with pitching (and a lot of LOB).
It seems unfair that only the World Series and one of the League Championships are broadcast on free TV. Make people have cable/satellite to watch the playoffs for America's Past Time? That's bullcrap.
I guess I should be happy they still broadcast baseball games at all on regular TV in this media landscape.
I say this as a person who has all the requisite cable channels at his disposal (in HD no less). It's the principle of the matter. Baseball should be important enough for network television in the United States of America; especially the playoffs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on October 09, 2012, 11:05:06 PM
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on October 09, 2012, 11:05:06 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 09, 2012, 03:16:39 PM
It seems unfair that only the World Series and one of the League Championships are broadcast on free TV. Make people have cable/satellite to watch the playoffs for America's Past Time? That's bullcrap.
I guess I should be happy they still broadcast baseball games at all on regular TV in this media landscape.
I say this as a person who has all the requisite cable channels at his disposal (in HD no less). It's the principle of the matter. Baseball should be important enough for network television in the United States of America; especially the playoffs.
Other than the NFL, all the other sports have taken their "postseason" to cable.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Duke87 on October 10, 2012, 09:07:01 PM
Post by: Duke87 on October 10, 2012, 09:07:01 PM
It doesn't really matter, anyway. The days of free TV are gone now that the signal has been switched to digital, nobody makes TVs with rabbit ears anymore, and the antenna hookups have been removed from a lot of old buildings and aren't installed in new ones.
I do not have TV service in my apartment at all because I am not paying for cable. There is no hookup available for free TV, or for satellite, and I as a lowly tenant cannot put one in.
I do not have TV service in my apartment at all because I am not paying for cable. There is no hookup available for free TV, or for satellite, and I as a lowly tenant cannot put one in.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 15, 2012, 02:01:51 AM
Post by: Desert Man on October 15, 2012, 02:01:51 AM
Only one California team the Giants made it to the NLCS by reversing their 2-0 game loss to a 3-2 game victory. I watched the Cards game 5 surprise over the Nationals and tonight the Cards beat the Giants in the 1st game of the NLCS. I'm keeping an eye on the Tigers-Yanks ALCS as the Tigers' 2nd straight appearance should bring out civic pride to an economically troubled city like Detroit. The Yanks got lucky in game 5 of the ALDS over the O's due to umpire interpretation and instant replay analysis, while the Tigers manage to get back for the A's shocking moments to withheld the Tigers' victory.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on October 15, 2012, 04:54:23 AM
Post by: amroad17 on October 15, 2012, 04:54:23 AM
As a Yankee fan, the Derek Jeter injury is really going to keep the Yankees from having a realistic shot at the World Series. I'll keep pulling for them, but my hopes aren't too high. A-Rod isn't hitting a lick, Nick Swisher isn't hitting, nor is the Grandy Man. It's a shame that any of them aren't on the streak Raul Ibanez is on.
Cincinnati picked a fine time not to play well at home. Baserunning mistakes (Brandon Phillips in the first inning of Game 3), in which I heard Marty Brennaman say on the radio, "I hope this doesn't come back to haunt the Reds", an ill-timed passed ball and error (also in Game 3), and a failure to hit in critical situations doomed the team. Congrats to the Giants in a series in which no team won at home.
Was this the first time all four divisional series went to the full five games?
Cincinnati picked a fine time not to play well at home. Baserunning mistakes (Brandon Phillips in the first inning of Game 3), in which I heard Marty Brennaman say on the radio, "I hope this doesn't come back to haunt the Reds", an ill-timed passed ball and error (also in Game 3), and a failure to hit in critical situations doomed the team. Congrats to the Giants in a series in which no team won at home.
Was this the first time all four divisional series went to the full five games?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 15, 2012, 09:26:39 AM
Post by: Takumi on October 15, 2012, 09:26:39 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on October 15, 2012, 04:54:23 AMThe Orioles-Yankees ALDS was poor offensively for both sides. Reynolds, Wieters, Jones, and pretty much everyone besides Nate McLouth struggled for the O's.
As a Yankee fan, the Derek Jeter injury is really going to keep the Yankees from having a realistic shot at the World Series. I'll keep pulling for them, but my hopes aren't too high. A-Rod isn't hitting a lick, Nick Swisher isn't hitting, nor is the Grandy Man. It's a shame that any of them aren't on the streak Raul Ibanez is on.
QuoteYes.
Was this the first time all four divisional series went to the full five games?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 15, 2012, 11:29:35 PM
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 15, 2012, 11:29:35 PM
The Giants have beaten the Cardinals 12-1 to tie the NLCS 1-1. Next game is on Wednesday in St. Louis.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on October 16, 2012, 02:03:54 AM
Post by: amroad17 on October 16, 2012, 02:03:54 AM
Ever notice when the Cardinals win 83, 89, or 90 games and make the playoffs as a wild-card team that they seem to win the World Series? Of course, they have one of the better-run organizations in MLB.
I know, the Cardinals won the NL Central in 2006 with an 83-78 record and beat Detroit in that year's World Series. Could we see a rematch this year?
I know, the Cardinals won the NL Central in 2006 with an 83-78 record and beat Detroit in that year's World Series. Could we see a rematch this year?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Beltway on October 16, 2012, 09:51:30 PM
Post by: Beltway on October 16, 2012, 09:51:30 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on October 10, 2012, 09:07:01 PM
It doesn't really matter, anyway. The days of free TV are gone now that the signal has been switched to digital, nobody makes TVs with rabbit ears anymore, and the antenna hookups have been removed from a lot of old buildings and aren't installed in new ones.
I do not have TV service in my apartment at all because I am not paying for cable. There is no hookup available for free TV, or for satellite, and I as a lowly tenant cannot put one in.
I get free TV over the air in my city ... ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, and 2 other UHF stations.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on October 17, 2012, 05:46:23 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on October 17, 2012, 05:46:23 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on October 10, 2012, 09:07:01 PM
It doesn't really matter, anyway. The days of free TV are gone now that the signal has been switched to digital, nobody makes TVs with rabbit ears anymore, and the antenna hookups have been removed from a lot of old buildings and aren't installed in new ones.
I do not have TV service in my apartment at all because I am not paying for cable. There is no hookup available for free TV, or for satellite, and I as a lowly tenant cannot put one in.
You don't need to have a TV "made with" rabbit ears to use rabbit ears. You can buy a UHF/VHF antenna at a store like Best Buy for around $15 and get decent performance out of it if you live an an area with strong enough signals. We have two TVs connected to DirecTV and two for which we use this type of RCA antenna (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/RCA+-+UHF/VHF/FM+Indoor+Antenna/4780115.p?id=1051806247493&skuId=4780115&st=antenna&cp=1&lp=4); the two for which we use the antennas are located in the master bedroom and guest room and we just don't watch them enough to make it worth the money to connect them to DirecTV. Mostly we use the master bedroom one for the 11:00 news each night, though sometimes I tune in sports on the weekend if I happen to be upstairs. The signal is generally quite good on most stations, nice crisp 720p image (the TV is a 22-incher that doesn't support 1080i). The only real annoyance is that with digital television the picture breaks up and the audio freezes when you get interference, as opposed to the snow and static most of us experienced when we adjusted the built-in rabbit ears when we were growing up.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on October 18, 2012, 04:10:23 AM
Post by: amroad17 on October 18, 2012, 04:10:23 AM
Well, my Yankees stave off elimination.............by NOT PLAYING!! :-D
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: MDOTFanFB on October 18, 2012, 07:42:28 PM
Post by: MDOTFanFB on October 18, 2012, 07:42:28 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on October 15, 2012, 04:54:23 AM
As a Yankee fan, the Derek Jeter injury is really going to keep the Yankees from having a realistic shot at the World Series. I'll keep pulling for them, but my hopes aren't too high. A-Rod isn't hitting a lick, Nick Swisher isn't hitting, nor is the Grandy Man. It's a shame that any of them aren't on the streak Raul Ibanez is on.
Cincinnati picked a fine time not to play well at home. Baserunning mistakes (Brandon Phillips in the first inning of Game 3), in which I heard Marty Brennaman say on the radio, "I hope this doesn't come back to haunt the Reds", an ill-timed passed ball and error (also in Game 3), and a failure to hit in critical situations doomed the team. Congrats to the Giants in a series in which no team won at home.
Was this the first time all four divisional series went to the full five games?
And that has just helped my Tigers to advance to the World Series for the 11th time and win the AL pennant! :sombrero: :clap:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on October 18, 2012, 08:59:01 PM
Post by: amroad17 on October 18, 2012, 08:59:01 PM
Yes, and congrats! :clap:
A team that hit .188 in the postseason (after tonight's debacle) doesn't deserve to go to the World Series. The Yankees have many questions that need to be addressed this off-season, especially what to do about A-Rod. :hmmm:
I'll be pulling for the Tigers to win this year's Series.
A team that hit .188 in the postseason (after tonight's debacle) doesn't deserve to go to the World Series. The Yankees have many questions that need to be addressed this off-season, especially what to do about A-Rod. :hmmm:
I'll be pulling for the Tigers to win this year's Series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 18, 2012, 10:35:59 PM
Post by: Alps on October 18, 2012, 10:35:59 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on October 18, 2012, 08:59:01 PMI don't have any dogs in this fight anymore, but I agree, the Yankees did everything in their power to lose and Detroit took full advantage. I have no issue with the Tigers going on to win it all. I don't need to feel "we got beaten by the best" because the Yankees could have been beaten by the worst just as easily the way they played.
Yes, and congrats! :clap:
A team that hit .188 in the postseason (after tonight's debacle) doesn't deserve to go to the World Series. The Yankees have many questions that need to be addressed this off-season, especially what to do about A-Rod. :hmmm:
I'll be pulling for the Tigers to win this year's Series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kurumi on October 18, 2012, 11:08:19 PM
Post by: kurumi on October 18, 2012, 11:08:19 PM
Congrats Detroit... hopefully you will have the opportunity to try for a Bay Area postseason sweep (A's and Giants); and hopefully you will come up just short. :-)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 19, 2012, 11:16:12 AM
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 19, 2012, 11:16:12 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on October 18, 2012, 08:59:01 PM
I'll be pulling for the Tigers to win this year's Series.
Same here, especially if the NLCS keeps going like it has.
You see when the Cardinals ended Milwaukee's playoff run in last year's NLCS, it was especially bitter since that was the same team that defeated the Brewers in the '82 World Series. And 2011 was probably the best shot Milwaukee was going to have at finally winning a World Series. The same team denies you your first title twice and that team has the second most all time to boot.
With ex-Brewer Prince Fielder back in the playoffs this year as a Tiger, I feel like them doing well will avenge our defeat by proxy. And if it turns out they have to defeat the Cardinals to do that, well that would just be poetic justice. And with the Cards up 3-1 going into tonight's game 5, it seems like the Tigers might have to.
So go Detoit! And screw you, David Freese; playing great again this October just like last year. :angry:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Duke87 on October 19, 2012, 09:44:41 PM
Post by: Duke87 on October 19, 2012, 09:44:41 PM
Quote from: Steve on October 18, 2012, 10:35:59 PM
I don't have any dogs in this fight anymore, but I agree, the Yankees did everything in their power to lose and Detroit took full advantage. I have no issue with the Tigers going on to win it all. I don't need to feel "we got beaten by the best" because the Yankees could have been beaten by the worst just as easily the way they played.
It's not just that. The Yankees notoriously never play well against Detroit and have never beaten them in the postseason (though, since they used to be in the same division, this is only the third time that matchup has occured).
The series against Baltimore exhausted them and they just didn't have the oomph after that.
And of course, Jeter being injured and A-Rod not performing didn't help anything, either.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on October 19, 2012, 09:54:22 PM
Post by: amroad17 on October 19, 2012, 09:54:22 PM
What is Detroit's record in the playoffs vs. the Yankees all-time? 13-3?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 22, 2012, 04:53:54 AM
Post by: Desert Man on October 22, 2012, 04:53:54 AM
I await game 7 of the NLCS (checked out the scores late at night) to find the Giants manage to stay alive, and I can't get over the Yankees' swept by the Tigers. Man oh man, talk about an ultimate match of "David and goliath" proportions.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 22, 2012, 12:30:25 PM
Post by: Henry on October 22, 2012, 12:30:25 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on October 18, 2012, 08:59:01 PMI'll be pulling for the Tigers to win this year's Series.As will I, because my two most hated teams are playing in Game 7 of the NLCS. As a Cubs and Dodgers fan, I'm putting my hope in the Tigers to win their first championship since 1984.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 22, 2012, 05:21:45 PM
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 22, 2012, 05:21:45 PM
Most likely, it will be Tigers vs. Giants. I think the Cardinals' game is through. I'd say Tigers in 5. The Tigers will be almost unstoppable.
Though if the Cardinals do return to the World Series this year, I'll root for Detroit- revenge for 2006!
Though if the Cardinals do return to the World Series this year, I'll root for Detroit- revenge for 2006!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on October 23, 2012, 02:04:12 AM
Post by: amroad17 on October 23, 2012, 02:04:12 AM
Yes, it's a Tigers-Giants World Series! Go Tigers!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 24, 2012, 11:15:40 PM
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 24, 2012, 11:15:40 PM
The Giants whooped the Tigers 8-3. Pablo Sandoval joined Babe Ruth, Reggie Jackson and Albert Pujols as the only players in MLB history to hit three home runs in a World Series game. I knew the Giants would take Game 1 at least, but I was not expecting them to demolish the Tigers tonight like they did the Cardinals in Game 7 of the NCLS.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 24, 2012, 11:47:04 PM
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 24, 2012, 11:47:04 PM
Giants win Game 1!!! Proof that not even Verlander could beat us...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on October 26, 2012, 01:56:23 AM
Post by: amroad17 on October 26, 2012, 01:56:23 AM
Make that Giants up 2-0. Looks like the same thing that happened in 2006 with the Tigers is happening this year--a long layoff between winning the ALCS and playing in the Series and then playing poorly.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 26, 2012, 02:05:29 AM
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 26, 2012, 02:05:29 AM
2-0... both the score the Giants beat the Tigers by, and the amount of games the Giants and Tigers have won respectively in this series.
We may be on to something about teams that have three and more days of no baseball between their respective CLS and the World Series.
For that, Detroit's game might be through too. I will now change my prediction to Giants in 5, as the Tigers will win October 27, but probably no more.
We may be on to something about teams that have three and more days of no baseball between their respective CLS and the World Series.
For that, Detroit's game might be through too. I will now change my prediction to Giants in 5, as the Tigers will win October 27, but probably no more.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on October 26, 2012, 03:09:04 AM
Post by: corco on October 26, 2012, 03:09:04 AM
QuoteThe only real annoyance is that with digital television the picture breaks up and the audio freezes when you get interference, as opposed to the snow and static most of us experienced when we adjusted the built-in rabbit ears when we were growing up.
Which renders free TV all but useless because you have to live in an area with perfect reception to see the channel now
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 26, 2012, 03:32:43 PM
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 26, 2012, 03:32:43 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on October 26, 2012, 01:56:23 AMIn 2006, Detroit won Game 2 (their only win that year's world series). Obviously not this year though.
Make that Giants up 2-0. Looks like the same thing that happened in 2006 with the Tigers is happening this year--a long layoff between winning the ALCS and playing in the Series and then playing poorly.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 28, 2012, 12:05:11 AM
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 28, 2012, 12:05:11 AM
And the Giants won Game 3 by 2-0. Chances are, the Giants will sweep the Tigers.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 28, 2012, 05:26:42 AM
Post by: Desert Man on October 28, 2012, 05:26:42 AM
The 2012 Giants are better than in 2010! Too bad the Oakland A's face defeat by the Tigers in the divisional playoff. No bay Area series, but that's what I call irony.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 28, 2012, 07:21:02 AM
Post by: Alps on October 28, 2012, 07:21:02 AM
Quote from: Mike D boy on October 28, 2012, 05:26:42 AMThat would make you the only person to call that irony. www.dictionary.com
The 2012 Giants are better than in 2010! Too bad the Oakland A's face defeat by the Tigers in the divisional playoff. No bay Area series, but that's what I call irony.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 28, 2012, 11:52:06 PM
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 28, 2012, 11:52:06 PM
Giants win the World Series!!! Bringing the trophy back to the bay...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ljwestmcsd on October 28, 2012, 11:53:12 PM
Post by: ljwestmcsd on October 28, 2012, 11:53:12 PM
The Giants win the pennant! The Giants win the pennant! The Giants win the pennant!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 29, 2012, 01:22:35 AM
Post by: NYYPhil777 on October 29, 2012, 01:22:35 AM
From a Yankees fan, congratulations Giants on winning this year's World Series, you deserve it. The Giants just happen to be the best team this year.
I correctly predicted that Sandoval would be the World Series MVP.
This is the 7th World Series title for the Giants, and the second in three years for the Giants.
As for the rest of the baseball teams, there's always next year.
I suppose with the New York Giants winning the Super Bowl this year, and the San Francisco Giants winning the World Series this year, 2012 must be the year of the Giant.
I correctly predicted that Sandoval would be the World Series MVP.
This is the 7th World Series title for the Giants, and the second in three years for the Giants.
As for the rest of the baseball teams, there's always next year.
I suppose with the New York Giants winning the Super Bowl this year, and the San Francisco Giants winning the World Series this year, 2012 must be the year of the Giant.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on April 01, 2013, 10:08:10 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on April 01, 2013, 10:08:10 PM
It's baseball season again!
A glorious time when we we're all excited to see our teams play for the first time in months and have completely forgotten the ways they suck. :P
I'll be headin' out to the ol' ballpark this weekend to see my Boozers play the D-Bags. In the immortal words of Homer Simpson, "It's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get."
A glorious time when we we're all excited to see our teams play for the first time in months and have completely forgotten the ways they suck. :P
I'll be headin' out to the ol' ballpark this weekend to see my Boozers play the D-Bags. In the immortal words of Homer Simpson, "It's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get."
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hm insulators on April 09, 2013, 04:45:41 PM
Post by: hm insulators on April 09, 2013, 04:45:41 PM
Go Dodgers!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on April 09, 2013, 08:01:30 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on April 09, 2013, 08:01:30 PM
The game I saw was terrible; lousy pitching, bad hitting and no Braun, Ramirez or Hart. My team got crushed. At least I got to high-five all the racing sausages! Go Polish!
The game may have sucked, but the tailgate party was fan-fucking-tastic! Great food, delicious beer, and I learned a fun new drinking game from this German dude that's perfect for tailgating. It did rain, but we were prepared and once it passed, it was gorgeous. Good times.
The game may have sucked, but the tailgate party was fan-fucking-tastic! Great food, delicious beer, and I learned a fun new drinking game from this German dude that's perfect for tailgating. It did rain, but we were prepared and once it passed, it was gorgeous. Good times.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on April 09, 2013, 11:35:00 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on April 09, 2013, 11:35:00 PM
I'm the ultimate case of forgetting how much my team sucked the last 2 months of last year. Of course they quit on Kermit the Frog er..Bobby V. John Farrell is a welcome breath of fresh air so far. Ok, so it's early, but we're 5-2 so far. The expectations are low, but the Sox could surprise.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on May 18, 2013, 03:59:52 PM
Post by: Desert Man on May 18, 2013, 03:59:52 PM
The Angels starring 2012 MVP Mike Trout are 15 wins at the present, 12 games behind the Texas Rangers leading the American League, while the St. Louis Cardinals leads the National. My world series prediction (just for fun) is the Braves over Red Sox in 7 games, since the Braves and Red Sox are doing excellent so far. I give credit to the world series champ Giants and contender Tigers, but I expect more wins by the Yankees and Nationals (wild cards).
I been a long time Angels fan when they're winning (their 2002 world series win), but rooted for the Blue Jays in their back-to-back world series era (1992 and 93) interrupted by the 1994 players strike. I keep an eye on the Angels' farm system: Salt Lake (triple-A), Arkansas (AA) Inland Empire and Burlington, Iowa (class A), Orem (short-season A) and the Arizona league rookie team. The Angels former affiliates Lake Elsinore and Rancho Cucamonga of the California League are successful minor league teams in attendance, renevue and civic pride.
The Angels have been part of my life and my family's. I remember viewing the then-California Angels (and briefly the Anaheim Angels, 1997-2005) from a side fence in their former spring training site in Palm Springs in the late 1980s when my Dad lived not far from the stadium at the time. Palm Springs had the minor league affiliate from 1986 to 93 when the minor Angels left town, not long after the Angels spring training camp went to Tempe, Arizona.
I attended two Angels games (in 1996 and 2010 vs. Yankees) and will attend my third game this Sunday (vs. the White sox), so I'm excited to watch them as I visit Anaheim Stadium again. And like my Mom said, who grown up partly in Garden Grove in Orange county when the stadium first opened in 1966: the Angels' tradition of losing at home (and boy, they did when I watched the games). I also attended a Mariners (lost to Yankees) in 2007 and Padres game each (they beat the Giants) in 2009.
I been a long time Angels fan when they're winning (their 2002 world series win), but rooted for the Blue Jays in their back-to-back world series era (1992 and 93) interrupted by the 1994 players strike. I keep an eye on the Angels' farm system: Salt Lake (triple-A), Arkansas (AA) Inland Empire and Burlington, Iowa (class A), Orem (short-season A) and the Arizona league rookie team. The Angels former affiliates Lake Elsinore and Rancho Cucamonga of the California League are successful minor league teams in attendance, renevue and civic pride.
The Angels have been part of my life and my family's. I remember viewing the then-California Angels (and briefly the Anaheim Angels, 1997-2005) from a side fence in their former spring training site in Palm Springs in the late 1980s when my Dad lived not far from the stadium at the time. Palm Springs had the minor league affiliate from 1986 to 93 when the minor Angels left town, not long after the Angels spring training camp went to Tempe, Arizona.
I attended two Angels games (in 1996 and 2010 vs. Yankees) and will attend my third game this Sunday (vs. the White sox), so I'm excited to watch them as I visit Anaheim Stadium again. And like my Mom said, who grown up partly in Garden Grove in Orange county when the stadium first opened in 1966: the Angels' tradition of losing at home (and boy, they did when I watched the games). I also attended a Mariners (lost to Yankees) in 2007 and Padres game each (they beat the Giants) in 2009.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on May 18, 2013, 04:03:37 PM
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on May 18, 2013, 04:03:37 PM
Speaking of the Angels, they've been disappointing me as of late. So are the Blue Jays. I say that because I predict both of them to be in the postseason. As for my World Series predictions, I'm still barely hanging on to my Angels/Nationals World Series, though I might start to change my AL Champions prediction. I still want my Giants to be successful, so I put them in the NLCS being beaten by the Nats.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on May 18, 2013, 04:11:28 PM
Post by: corco on May 18, 2013, 04:11:28 PM
As a Mariners fan, nothing makes me happier than seeing the Angels throw a ton of money at players who are past their prime and watching those results play out.
Real Angels fans are cool, but they're few and far between. For every person like you who actually knows the Angels (which I respect), there's 10 people that are "Angels fans" that can't name a player on the team- they're the Red Sox of the west, and because of that the team on the whole disgusts me. The whole franchise, from Arte Moreno to suburban LA culture to the rally monkey to Mike Scioscia comes off as very smug and entitled, and I actively root for their failure.
Real Angels fans are cool, but they're few and far between. For every person like you who actually knows the Angels (which I respect), there's 10 people that are "Angels fans" that can't name a player on the team- they're the Red Sox of the west, and because of that the team on the whole disgusts me. The whole franchise, from Arte Moreno to suburban LA culture to the rally monkey to Mike Scioscia comes off as very smug and entitled, and I actively root for their failure.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on May 20, 2013, 01:03:39 AM
Post by: Desert Man on May 20, 2013, 01:03:39 AM
The Angels won at home: 6 runs to 2. I feel great to watch my team managed to pull it off today. White sox Sux. BOO HOO...Losers. xD
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 20, 2013, 07:41:55 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 20, 2013, 07:41:55 AM
Quote from: Mike D boy on May 20, 2013, 01:03:39 AM
The Angels won at home: 6 runs to 2. I feel great to watch my team managed to pull it off today. White sox Sux. BOO HOO...Losers. xD
Exactly the kind of class I expect from LA fans.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on May 20, 2013, 08:42:51 PM
Post by: Alps on May 20, 2013, 08:42:51 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 20, 2013, 07:41:55 AMOkay, okay, stop.Quote from: Mike D boy on May 20, 2013, 01:03:39 AM
The Angels won at home: 6 runs to 2. I feel great to watch my team managed to pull it off today. White sox Sux. BOO HOO...Losers. xD
Exactly the kind of class I expect from LA fans.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Dougtone on May 20, 2013, 08:58:48 PM
Post by: Dougtone on May 20, 2013, 08:58:48 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 09, 2013, 11:35:00 PM
I'm the ultimate case of forgetting how much my team sucked the last 2 months of last year. Of course they quit on Kermit the Frog er..Bobby V. John Farrell is a welcome breath of fresh air so far. Ok, so it's early, but we're 5-2 so far. The expectations are low, but the Sox could surprise.
Mets fans have been clamoring for the return of Bobby V for years now.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on June 29, 2013, 02:37:10 AM
Post by: triplemultiplex on June 29, 2013, 02:37:10 AM
Gotta give props to Pittsburgh for having a good club this year. After so much time in the cellar, it's good to see the Pirates making some noise again. I was a wee lad the last time they were any good.
In the AL, I'm pulling for Detroit again. I think I've stated before that I'm not bitter about not being able to keep Prince Fielder in Milwaukee. He was worth more than MKE could afford. I want him to win it all and since the goddamn Cardinals denied us yet again in 2011, I shall live vicariously via Fielder and the Tigers.
Meanwhile in the basement of the NL Central, there are more problems than solutions. Ryan Braun has missed a lot of time with a nagging thumb injury (that's only the tip of the injury iceberg), starting pitching continues to get shelled, it seems the entire season may pass without a true first basemen (and everyone who has filled in there can't hit for shit), not many people going yard compared to the last couple years, three runs deficits seem insurmountable this year... Rickie Weeks; it's really hard to get excited about his recent uptick in performance since he did jack shit for so long.
The one bright spot has been Jean Segura. The Crew got him last summer from the Angels as part of a trade for Zach Grienke and he is having a break out season. That man is a baller. Hopefully Segura and a healthy Ryan Braun can be the centerpiece of this ball club in the next couple seasons.
In the AL, I'm pulling for Detroit again. I think I've stated before that I'm not bitter about not being able to keep Prince Fielder in Milwaukee. He was worth more than MKE could afford. I want him to win it all and since the goddamn Cardinals denied us yet again in 2011, I shall live vicariously via Fielder and the Tigers.
Meanwhile in the basement of the NL Central, there are more problems than solutions. Ryan Braun has missed a lot of time with a nagging thumb injury (that's only the tip of the injury iceberg), starting pitching continues to get shelled, it seems the entire season may pass without a true first basemen (and everyone who has filled in there can't hit for shit), not many people going yard compared to the last couple years, three runs deficits seem insurmountable this year... Rickie Weeks; it's really hard to get excited about his recent uptick in performance since he did jack shit for so long.
The one bright spot has been Jean Segura. The Crew got him last summer from the Angels as part of a trade for Zach Grienke and he is having a break out season. That man is a baller. Hopefully Segura and a healthy Ryan Braun can be the centerpiece of this ball club in the next couple seasons.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tchafe1978 on July 01, 2013, 12:36:17 AM
Post by: tchafe1978 on July 01, 2013, 12:36:17 AM
It's time for the Brewers to have a fire sale and start rebuilding the farm system. They seriously need some pitching depth. Bring up any prospects who are having a good year in AAA and let them start getting experience. Their only hope for a successful season is to finish ahead of the sCrubs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on July 02, 2013, 08:18:26 AM
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on July 02, 2013, 08:18:26 AM
Quote from: Dougtone on May 20, 2013, 08:58:48 PMQuote from: jp the roadgeek on April 09, 2013, 11:35:00 PM
I'm the ultimate case of forgetting how much my team sucked the last 2 months of last year. Of course they quit on Kermit the Frog er..Bobby V. John Farrell is a welcome breath of fresh air so far. Ok, so it's early, but we're 5-2 so far. The expectations are low, but the Sox could surprise.
Mets fans have been clamoring for the return of Bobby V for years now.
Gotta love those sox this year...shame Buchholz went down with an injury he was Cy Young caliber thus far with the way he's been pitching.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on July 02, 2013, 10:43:47 PM
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on July 02, 2013, 10:43:47 PM
So tonight (July 2) in Cincinnati, Homer Bailey of the Reds pitched a no-hitter against the San Francisco Giants. He was perfect until he gave up a walk to Gregor Blanco in the 7th.
Although I am a Giants fan and am disappointed at not just this game but how bad we've been doing recently, I do tip my cap to Homer Bailey for pitching his second career no-no. I'm sure it's a big accomplishment for any pitcher...
Although I am a Giants fan and am disappointed at not just this game but how bad we've been doing recently, I do tip my cap to Homer Bailey for pitching his second career no-no. I'm sure it's a big accomplishment for any pitcher...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on July 10, 2013, 11:05:30 PM
Post by: ET21 on July 10, 2013, 11:05:30 PM
Quote from: CentralCAroadgeek on July 02, 2013, 10:43:47 PM
So tonight (July 2) in Cincinnati, Homer Bailey of the Reds pitched a no-hitter against the San Francisco Giants. He was perfect until he gave up a walk to Gregor Blanco in the 7th.
Although I am a Giants fan and am disappointed at not just this game but how bad we've been doing recently, I do tip my cap to Homer Bailey for pitching his second career no-no. I'm sure it's a big accomplishment for any pitcher...
Least you're doing better than the White Sox :no: I've started watching the Giants because at least they know how to win this season, and it's getting really tiring watching them blow good starting pitching.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on July 11, 2013, 01:10:13 AM
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on July 11, 2013, 01:10:13 AM
Quote from: ET21 on July 10, 2013, 11:05:30 PMQuote from: CentralCAroadgeek on July 02, 2013, 10:43:47 PM
So tonight (July 2) in Cincinnati, Homer Bailey of the Reds pitched a no-hitter against the San Francisco Giants. He was perfect until he gave up a walk to Gregor Blanco in the 7th.
Although I am a Giants fan and am disappointed at not just this game but how bad we've been doing recently, I do tip my cap to Homer Bailey for pitching his second career no-no. I'm sure it's a big accomplishment for any pitcher...
Least you're doing better than the White Sox :no: I've started watching the Giants because at least they know how to win this season, and it's getting really tiring watching them blow good starting pitching.
"Knowing how to win this season." While I'd hate to be betting against my team, considering how bad we've been doing this summer, the Giants are knowing how to do the exact opposite. All our starters but Bumgarner are struggling, our offense is pretty much asleep, most of out outfielders don't know how to catch a fly ball. To top it all off, we usually have an early deficit due to a big inning by the opposing team. And I'm a Giants fan to say all this!
Does your last statement refer to the Giants or the White Sox?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 11, 2013, 07:40:32 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 11, 2013, 07:40:32 AM
I think for the White Sox this is simply a lost season. Get it over with and move on to the next one. I can't imagine what it would be like to be a fan of a team that has a lost season every year for 100+ years.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on July 12, 2013, 09:37:21 AM
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on July 12, 2013, 09:37:21 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 11, 2013, 07:40:32 AM
I think for the White Sox this is simply a lost season. Get it over with and move on to the next one. I can't imagine what it would be like to be a fan of a team that has a lost season every year for 100+ years.
Just ask a Cubs fan...no offense but they would know how it is for a team that hasn't won a World Series since 1908.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on July 12, 2013, 10:43:46 AM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on July 12, 2013, 10:43:46 AM
Quote from: Roadmaestro95 on July 12, 2013, 09:37:21 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on July 11, 2013, 07:40:32 AM
I think for the White Sox this is simply a lost season. Get it over with and move on to the next one. I can't imagine what it would be like to be a fan of a team that has a lost season every year for 100+ years.
Just ask a Cubs fan...no offense but they would know how it is for a team that hasn't won a World Series since 1908.
I have a buddy who's an Astros fan. Basically taking it all in stride in knowing that they're taking the right steps for the future. I did my time as a Red Sox fan (1984-2004, and I still am), and the ending of 2011 and last year were tough to watch, so much I didn't even watch a game last September knowing the wheels were off.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 12, 2013, 11:38:37 AM
Post by: Henry on July 12, 2013, 11:38:37 AM
Well, at least the White Sox have won two World Series championships in that same timespan (1917 and 2005), so their fans can take comfort in that fact.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on July 14, 2013, 01:14:17 AM
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on July 14, 2013, 01:14:17 AM
Just two weeks after the Giants got no-hit by the Homer Bailey and the Reds, the Giants get a no-hitter against the Padres by Tim Lincecum. He threw 148 pitches in a 9-0 game.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on July 18, 2013, 11:40:29 PM
Post by: ET21 on July 18, 2013, 11:40:29 PM
Quote from: CentralCAroadgeek on July 11, 2013, 01:10:13 AMQuote from: ET21 on July 10, 2013, 11:05:30 PMQuote from: CentralCAroadgeek on July 02, 2013, 10:43:47 PM
So tonight (July 2) in Cincinnati, Homer Bailey of the Reds pitched a no-hitter against the San Francisco Giants. He was perfect until he gave up a walk to Gregor Blanco in the 7th.
Although I am a Giants fan and am disappointed at not just this game but how bad we've been doing recently, I do tip my cap to Homer Bailey for pitching his second career no-no. I'm sure it's a big accomplishment for any pitcher...
Least you're doing better than the White Sox :no: I've started watching the Giants because at least they know how to win this season, and it's getting really tiring watching them blow good starting pitching.
"Knowing how to win this season." While I'd hate to be betting against my team, considering how bad we've been doing this summer, the Giants are knowing how to do the exact opposite. All our starters but Bumgarner are struggling, our offense is pretty much asleep, most of out outfielders don't know how to catch a fly ball. To top it all off, we usually have an early deficit due to a big inning by the opposing team. And I'm a Giants fan to say all this!
Does your last statement refer to the Giants or the White Sox?
Sox but then I watched the Giants. Almost similar boats :-/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on July 22, 2013, 09:12:50 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on July 22, 2013, 09:12:50 PM
Well, shit...
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130722&content_id=54364032&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130722&content_id=54364032&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)
It seems the Biogenesis heads are starting to roll.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130722&content_id=54364032&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130722&content_id=54364032&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)
It seems the Biogenesis heads are starting to roll.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on July 27, 2013, 01:02:43 AM
Post by: amroad17 on July 27, 2013, 01:02:43 AM
Quote from: CentralCAroadgeek on July 14, 2013, 01:14:17 AMThat's a lot of pitches!!! Probably 25-30 too many. I hope this doesn't affect him for the next few starts. Or have something happen to him like Johan Santana after he pitched his no-hitter with the Mets.
Just two weeks after the Giants got no-hit by the Homer Bailey and the Reds, the Giants get a no-hitter against the Padres by Tim Lincecum. He threw 148 pitches in a 9-0 game.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on July 27, 2013, 01:12:47 AM
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on July 27, 2013, 01:12:47 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on July 27, 2013, 01:02:43 AMFrom a post-game interview, Giants manager Bruce Bochy said that Lincy wasn't even feeling tired throughout the game.Quote from: CentralCAroadgeek on July 14, 2013, 01:14:17 AMThat's a lot of pitches!!! Probably 25-30 too many. I hope this doesn't affect him for the next few starts. Or have something happen to him like Johan Santana after he pitched his no-hitter with the Mets.
Just two weeks after the Giants got no-hit by the Homer Bailey and the Reds, the Giants get a no-hitter against the Padres by Tim Lincecum. He threw 148 pitches in a 9-0 game.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on August 06, 2013, 12:31:30 AM
Post by: ET21 on August 06, 2013, 12:31:30 AM
Boy did A-Roid get a warm reception tonight? :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on August 06, 2013, 12:54:42 AM
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on August 06, 2013, 12:54:42 AM
^ Yeah, that was fantastic. It's a shame the Yankees started him (another reason to hate the Yankees), and its a shame he got a hit.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: texaskdog on August 06, 2013, 08:25:04 AM
Post by: texaskdog on August 06, 2013, 08:25:04 AM
Quote from: Roadmaestro95 on July 12, 2013, 09:37:21 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on July 11, 2013, 07:40:32 AM
I think for the White Sox this is simply a lost season. Get it over with and move on to the next one. I can't imagine what it would be like to be a fan of a team that has a lost season every year for 100+ years.
Just ask a Cubs fan...no offense but they would know how it is for a team that hasn't won a World Series since 1908.
After the way they treated Steve Bartman, here's hoping they never win another. Though I'd still take them over the Red Sox.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on August 06, 2013, 10:50:09 AM
Post by: Henry on August 06, 2013, 10:50:09 AM
Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on August 06, 2013, 12:54:42 AMBut at least the Yankees didn't win!
^ Yeah, that was fantastic. It's a shame the Yankees started him (another reason to hate the Yankees), and its a shame he got a hit.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 06, 2013, 11:59:28 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 06, 2013, 11:59:28 AM
Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on August 06, 2013, 12:54:42 AM
^ Yeah, that was fantastic. It's a shame the Yankees started him (another reason to hate the Yankees), and its a shame he got a hit.
I'm no fan of the Yankees, but MLB makes the decisions on suspensions and procedures are negotiated through the players' association, so he's on the Yankees roster right now whether they like it or not, and with the lack of production they've been getting from 3B, there's no way to argue that sitting him is a sound baseball decision, so the union would file a grievance pretty quickly if the Yankees tried it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on August 07, 2013, 12:09:31 AM
Post by: Alps on August 07, 2013, 12:09:31 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 06, 2013, 11:59:28 AMThey already tried it with the bruised quad thing. I think their hand was forced. Frankly, he's been better than everyone else on the roster right now. I hope he's gone before I see the game Saturday, but if not, hearty boos coming from my mouth.Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on August 06, 2013, 12:54:42 AM
^ Yeah, that was fantastic. It's a shame the Yankees started him (another reason to hate the Yankees), and its a shame he got a hit.
I'm no fan of the Yankees, but MLB makes the decisions on suspensions and procedures are negotiated through the players' association, so he's on the Yankees roster right now whether they like it or not, and with the lack of production they've been getting from 3B, there's no way to argue that sitting him is a sound baseball decision, so the union would file a grievance pretty quickly if the Yankees tried it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on August 07, 2013, 12:58:50 AM
Post by: corco on August 07, 2013, 12:58:50 AM
These are likely his very last MLB games. He's a massive douche and incredibly unlikable, but steroids or not he was still one of the great ones and he should be able to get some closure, as he's hopefully getting right now.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on September 18, 2013, 04:44:35 PM
Post by: amroad17 on September 18, 2013, 04:44:35 PM
First, we had the "butt fumble." Now, we have the "butt slide."
In a game between the Cincinnati Reds and the Houston Astros, a batter from Houston slapped a single to left center where Shin-Soo Choo cut it off and threw to second base when he saw the batter try to stretch it into a double. Brandon Phillips took the throw and without turning around put his glove in front of the base between his legs. The Houston batter slid headfirst into the tag at second as well as Phillips' butt facefirst. It was both impressive and hilarious to see!
The Reds won 10-0, giving the Astros their 100th loss of the season.
In a game between the Cincinnati Reds and the Houston Astros, a batter from Houston slapped a single to left center where Shin-Soo Choo cut it off and threw to second base when he saw the batter try to stretch it into a double. Brandon Phillips took the throw and without turning around put his glove in front of the base between his legs. The Houston batter slid headfirst into the tag at second as well as Phillips' butt facefirst. It was both impressive and hilarious to see!
The Reds won 10-0, giving the Astros their 100th loss of the season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on September 18, 2013, 09:59:49 PM
Post by: Alps on September 18, 2013, 09:59:49 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on September 18, 2013, 04:44:35 PMWe all love animated GIFs:
First, we had the "butt fumble." Now, we have the "butt slide."
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/astro-slides-face-first-phillips-fanny-article-1.1459865
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 19, 2013, 10:33:57 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 19, 2013, 10:33:57 PM
Let's embed the butt tag for our enjoyment.
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Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: akotchi on September 23, 2013, 12:56:56 PM
Post by: akotchi on September 23, 2013, 12:56:56 PM
Quote from: corco on August 07, 2013, 12:58:50 AM
These are likely his very last MLB games. He's a massive douche and incredibly unlikable, but steroids or not he was still one of the great ones and he should be able to get some closure, as he's hopefully getting right now.
Sorry to bump this, but does anyone know when his appeal will be heard? I am surprised it has been delayed enough to let him play basically the rest of the season. It makes the announcement and severity of the punishment almost a joke if it is not adjudicated and enforced on a timely basis.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 26, 2013, 12:49:21 AM
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 26, 2013, 12:49:21 AM
Quote from: akotchi on September 23, 2013, 12:56:56 PM
Sorry to bump this, but does anyone know when his appeal will be heard? I am surprised it has been delayed enough to let him play basically the rest of the season. It makes the announcement and severity of the punishment almost a joke if it is not adjudicated and enforced on a timely basis.
In the off season.
They rule against A-Rod and he will promptly retire.
This weekend will be the last time you see Alex Rodriguez play Major League Baseball.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on September 26, 2013, 01:35:12 AM
Post by: Alps on September 26, 2013, 01:35:12 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on September 26, 2013, 12:49:21 AM:clap:Quote from: akotchi on September 23, 2013, 12:56:56 PM
Sorry to bump this, but does anyone know when his appeal will be heard? I am surprised it has been delayed enough to let him play basically the rest of the season. It makes the announcement and severity of the punishment almost a joke if it is not adjudicated and enforced on a timely basis.
In the off season.
They rule against A-Rod and he will promptly retire.
This weekend will be the last time you see Alex Rodriguez play Major League Baseball.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 26, 2013, 02:09:18 PM
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 26, 2013, 02:09:18 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on September 26, 2013, 12:49:21 AM
In the off season.
They rule against A-Rod and he will promptly retire.
This weekend will be the last time you see Alex Rodriguez play Major League Baseball.
Good riddance if MLB makes that 211-game suspension stick.
N.Y. Times: In Fight for Legacy, Rodriguez Fields Costly Team of All-Stars (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/24/sports/baseball/in-fight-for-legacy-yankees-rodriguez-fields-costly-team-of-all-stars.html)
QuoteWith Alex Rodriguez, everything is always outsize, from his $275 million contract, to his gaudy home run totals, to the vitriol he faces at nearly every major league baseball stadium.
QuoteSo it is fitting that as he prepares to appeal his 211-game suspension – baseball's longest doping punishment – he has a supersize team of advisers to counsel him in a showdown that could define, or destroy, his legacy.
QuoteThe case carries considerable weight for both sides. A lengthy suspension could cost Rodriguez roughly $32 million in lost salary, and perhaps end his career. Major League Baseball sees the suspension as a symbol of its efforts to fight doping, which has ensnared many of the sport's biggest names in recent years.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 26, 2013, 02:40:30 PM
Post by: Henry on September 26, 2013, 02:40:30 PM
When was the last time that both Chicago teams finished in last place? It looks like it's happening this year :(
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 26, 2013, 11:24:30 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 26, 2013, 11:24:30 PM
Quote from: Henry on September 26, 2013, 02:40:30 PMSo it wasn't all bad news this season! :-D
When was the last time that both Chicago teams finished in last place? It looks like it's happening this year :(
I kid, I kid.
I enjoy being rivaled against Chicago teams. It makes sports more fun.
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Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 27, 2013, 10:29:01 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 27, 2013, 10:29:01 AM
Quote from: Henry on September 26, 2013, 02:40:30 PM
When was the last time that both Chicago teams finished in last place? It looks like it's happening this year :(
Probably whatever year the White Sox last finished in last place.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on September 27, 2013, 11:44:24 AM
Post by: ET21 on September 27, 2013, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: Henry on September 26, 2013, 02:40:30 PM
When was the last time that both Chicago teams finished in last place? It looks like it's happening this year :(
This actually might be the first time. A quick search came up with nothing.
Both teams deserved it, especially the Sox. They gave up back in May and never looked to right the ship. Haven't watched a single game since the April Blue Jays series. I was extremely happy when the Hawks won the Cup and now the Bears (3-0) ND (3-1) and NIU (3-0) are having good starts to the season, because no one in this city have not cared about baseball since the last Crosstown series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 27, 2013, 12:48:06 PM
Post by: Henry on September 27, 2013, 12:48:06 PM
Quote from: ET21 on September 27, 2013, 11:44:24 AMThe fact that it's an unprecedented event just makes it even worse! At least the Sox fans can share my pain (as well as that of my fellow Cubs fans).Quote from: Henry on September 26, 2013, 02:40:30 PM
When was the last time that both Chicago teams finished in last place? It looks like it's happening this year :(
This actually might be the first time. A quick search came up with nothing.
Both teams deserved it, especially the Sox. They gave up back in May and never looked to right the ship. Haven't watched a single game since the April Blue Jays series. I was extremely happy when the Hawks won the Cup and now the Bears (3-0) ND (3-1) and NIU (3-0) are having good starts to the season, because no one in this city have not cared about baseball since the last Crosstown series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on September 27, 2013, 02:49:44 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on September 27, 2013, 02:49:44 PM
So the Red Sox are first and the White Sox are last?
That puts the Pink Sox directly in the middle.
That puts the Pink Sox directly in the middle.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 27, 2013, 03:06:46 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 27, 2013, 03:06:46 PM
Quote from: 1 on September 27, 2013, 02:49:44 PM
So the Red Sox are first and the White Sox are last?
That puts the Pink Sox directly in the middle.
I don't get it. is this some weird reference to a threesome?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on September 27, 2013, 03:15:34 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on September 27, 2013, 03:15:34 PM
Red + white = pink.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 27, 2013, 03:20:37 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 27, 2013, 03:20:37 PM
Quote from: 1 on September 27, 2013, 03:15:34 PM
Red + white = pink.
.. 1 * 1 = 1. so?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kendancy66 on September 29, 2013, 02:17:13 PM
Post by: kendancy66 on September 29, 2013, 02:17:13 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 27, 2013, 03:20:37 PMI guess you have never made clothes washing mistakes before. If a red shirt gets mixed up with the socks and underwear. And then you wash that in hot water, then the red dye of the red shirt bleeds off onto the white clothes and turns them pink.Quote from: 1 on September 27, 2013, 03:15:34 PM
Red + white = pink.
.. 1 * 1 = 1. so?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 29, 2013, 07:52:15 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 29, 2013, 07:52:15 PM
That's how Homer Simpson got to meet "Michael Jackson". ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on September 29, 2013, 11:15:03 PM
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on September 29, 2013, 11:15:03 PM
One-game series for a one-game series, anyone? The Rangers and Rays are tied for the second Wild Card, so a tiebreaker game is to be played to determine who plays against the Indians in the one-game Wild Card.
Also, the Marlins' Henderson Alvarez threw a no-hitter against the Tigers on the last game of the regular season.
Also, the Marlins' Henderson Alvarez threw a no-hitter against the Tigers on the last game of the regular season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 01, 2013, 01:58:36 PM
Post by: Henry on October 01, 2013, 01:58:36 PM
The Rangers lose Game 163 at home, so the Rays are moving on to Cleveland.
And back in Chicago, the Cubs have fired another manager after two terrible years at the helm, so here we go again. They'll hire a new manager, and when he fails to get them into the postseason (or even the World Series), they'll fire him and hire yet another new skipper. Circle of life on the North Side...
And back in Chicago, the Cubs have fired another manager after two terrible years at the helm, so here we go again. They'll hire a new manager, and when he fails to get them into the postseason (or even the World Series), they'll fire him and hire yet another new skipper. Circle of life on the North Side...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on October 01, 2013, 08:10:30 PM
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on October 01, 2013, 08:10:30 PM
I have put a temporary moratorium on my Blue Jays fandom. From here until November, Let's go 'bucks!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kurumi on October 02, 2013, 12:16:18 AM
Post by: kurumi on October 02, 2013, 12:16:18 AM
I'm calling it: A's defeat Pirates in World Series, 4 games to 2 :-)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 02, 2013, 09:31:32 AM
Post by: Desert Man on October 02, 2013, 09:31:32 AM
Congrats to the L.A. Dodgers going into the post-season (from a not-so-happy Angels fan), but I hope a world series appearance in Southern California, as the last time the Dodgers went to the fall classic was 25 years ago. The Dodgers had a rocky, yet fantastic season depended on Manny Ramirez who was injured and on the DL in the summer. And Athletics/ Cardinals great Mark McGwire is in the Dodgers' coaching team. Oddly, McGwire was part of the 1988 Oakland A's team defeated by the very team he's now in their staff.
Meanwhile, the Oakland A's won another AL west division title. Keep an eye out on the Cardinals (NL) and Red Sox (AL), because I sense the two teams would go farther than let's say the Tigers (last year's world series contenders) or Rays won by a fluke in the AL tiebreaker game. I watched the Pirates beat the Reds in the NL wild card game last night.
Meanwhile, the Oakland A's won another AL west division title. Keep an eye out on the Cardinals (NL) and Red Sox (AL), because I sense the two teams would go farther than let's say the Tigers (last year's world series contenders) or Rays won by a fluke in the AL tiebreaker game. I watched the Pirates beat the Reds in the NL wild card game last night.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 02, 2013, 10:55:07 AM
Post by: Henry on October 02, 2013, 10:55:07 AM
Guess I'll be a Pirates fan now, as I absolutely despise the Cardinals! And I'm hoping the Dodgers do well in the playoffs as well. On the AL side, I'm having a hard time deciding who to root for...maybe Boston, for sentimental reasons.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on October 04, 2013, 11:42:55 AM
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on October 04, 2013, 11:42:55 AM
Are the Buccos even ready for the true postseason challenge? Well St. Louis told them, "Ahh we betta. 9-1. We already won Game 1."
Oh and A-Roid is suing Major League Baseball for creating a "witch hunt" on him...all I know is that no body really gives a damn about him at this point because his team didn't make the playoffs...and he isn't going to win this battle we all sort of knew was coming.
Oh and A-Roid is suing Major League Baseball for creating a "witch hunt" on him...all I know is that no body really gives a damn about him at this point because his team didn't make the playoffs...and he isn't going to win this battle we all sort of knew was coming.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Mr_Northside on October 04, 2013, 04:21:02 PM
Post by: Mr_Northside on October 04, 2013, 04:21:02 PM
Quote from: Roadmaestro95 on October 04, 2013, 11:42:55 AM
Are the Buccos even ready for the true postseason challenge? Well St. Louis told them, "Ahh we betta. 9-1. We already won Game 1."
Yeah. The Pirates looked like crap yesterday... but they turned it around and convincingly won 7-1 this afternoon....
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Brandon on October 04, 2013, 05:47:29 PM
Post by: Brandon on October 04, 2013, 05:47:29 PM
Quote from: Henry on October 01, 2013, 01:58:36 PM
The Rangers lose Game 163 at home, so the Rays are moving on to Cleveland.
And back in Chicago, the Cubs have fired another manager after two terrible years at the helm, so here we go again. They'll hire a new manager, and when he fails to get them into the postseason (or even the World Series), they'll fire him and hire yet another new skipper. Circle of life on the North Side...
You guys seriously need to demand better instead of treating Wrigley Field like the world's largest outdoor bar. Even Lions fans wear paper bags over their heads to show their disgust for the 0 and 16 season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 07, 2013, 02:32:31 PM
Post by: Henry on October 07, 2013, 02:32:31 PM
Well, Pittsburgh is one win away from a trip to the NLCS and a possible rematch with the Braves. I'm hoping they win tonight.
EDIT: I take that back. The Dodgers eliminated Atlanta last night, so the Pirates and Cardinals will play Game 5 for the right to face L.A. in the NLCS. I'm still rooting for Pittsburgh.
EDIT: I take that back. The Dodgers eliminated Atlanta last night, so the Pirates and Cardinals will play Game 5 for the right to face L.A. in the NLCS. I'm still rooting for Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 10, 2013, 10:11:08 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 10, 2013, 10:11:08 PM
The final division series game is on right now and things are looking good for Detroit. They are up 3-0 and Verlander has a no-no through 5.
I'm disappointed Pittsburgh lost yesterday. Damn Cardinals.
I'm disappointed Pittsburgh lost yesterday. Damn Cardinals.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on October 11, 2013, 09:25:59 AM
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on October 11, 2013, 09:25:59 AM
Sawx v. Tigers and Cards v. Dodgers...probably most dominant team in this mix is Boston. They have enough pitching and they can practically score 10 runs if they'd like every game with the bearded lineup they have. Besides, being a Yankee hater and ya know Boston Strong, I'd LOVE to see Boston win it all this year after not taking the Stanley Cup home.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 11, 2013, 11:39:09 AM
Post by: Henry on October 11, 2013, 11:39:09 AM
Boston vs. L.A. is my World Series pick. For once, it would be nice to see these two cities vie for a championship in something other than basketball.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 12, 2013, 02:27:28 PM
Post by: Desert Man on October 12, 2013, 02:27:28 PM
The Cards-Dodgers NLCS game 1 was LONG...13 innings, until the Cards made a run to win game 1 by a score of 3-2. I wanna see the Dodgers in the world series this time, however the Cardinal matchup is too powerful to defeat. The Dodgers blew it and not to fret, they have another chance tonight.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on October 13, 2013, 04:26:04 PM
Post by: ET21 on October 13, 2013, 04:26:04 PM
Dodgers-Red Sox for WS please
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 13, 2013, 04:46:06 PM
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 13, 2013, 04:46:06 PM
In my opinion, a Cardinals/Tigers World Series would have epic pitching. But I'd like a Cardinals/Red Sox World Series because the Red Sox were my original predictions and, as a Giants fan, I want the Dodgers out as soon as possible.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 13, 2013, 10:10:48 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 13, 2013, 10:10:48 PM
Detroit is pitching the shit out of Boston so far. I'm watching game 2 and Bah-stin has only one hit through a game and a half. Which is fine with me as the Tigers are the last team still playing that I don't hate. (And while I was typing, the big bats for Detroit did some damage!)
For the record, I hate the Cardinals most. The reason is 2011. The Cards have been to the World Series so much everyone's lost track, but the first time in my life that my team has a really good shot at going all the way, here comes St. Louis shitting all over my dreams on their way to yet another world championship. Just throw it on the pile; maybe it'll land next to the one you got by beating Milwaukee in '82.
The Boozers were great all season and played the best baseball the city had seen in decades but St. Louis comes out of nowhere and goes on a hot streak just in time to win it all. Bastards. My hate will not be appeased until the Milwaukee Brewers defeat the St. Louis Cardinals in a post-season series. I don't care is you're a 'great baseball city', I will take that shit to the grave if I have to.
At least I can take solace in that my team's stadium is named after a better beer than their team's stadium.
For the record, I hate the Cardinals most. The reason is 2011. The Cards have been to the World Series so much everyone's lost track, but the first time in my life that my team has a really good shot at going all the way, here comes St. Louis shitting all over my dreams on their way to yet another world championship. Just throw it on the pile; maybe it'll land next to the one you got by beating Milwaukee in '82.
The Boozers were great all season and played the best baseball the city had seen in decades but St. Louis comes out of nowhere and goes on a hot streak just in time to win it all. Bastards. My hate will not be appeased until the Milwaukee Brewers defeat the St. Louis Cardinals in a post-season series. I don't care is you're a 'great baseball city', I will take that shit to the grave if I have to.
At least I can take solace in that my team's stadium is named after a better beer than their team's stadium.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on October 13, 2013, 10:13:08 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on October 13, 2013, 10:13:08 PM
I've noticed.
Currently the game is 5-0, Detroit. 4 of those 5 were in the last 10 minutes.
Currently the game is 5-0, Detroit. 4 of those 5 were in the last 10 minutes.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on October 13, 2013, 11:29:38 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on October 13, 2013, 11:29:38 PM
Score Update:
Big Papi hit a grand slam, tying the game.
Big Papi hit a grand slam, tying the game.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Brandon on October 14, 2013, 09:31:54 AM
Post by: Brandon on October 14, 2013, 09:31:54 AM
Quote from: ET21 on October 13, 2013, 04:26:04 PM
Dodgers-Red Sox for WS please
How about no.
Either: Tigers - Dodgers or Tigers - Cardinals (revenge for 2006 would be soooo sweet).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on October 15, 2013, 12:51:08 PM
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on October 15, 2013, 12:51:08 PM
Game 3 in the NLCS made the Dodgers look good, but I feel that Hanley Ramirez won't survive to game 4 and Puig's energy and complete obnoxiousness came too late for the Dodger faithful. Watch the Cards pummel them tonight, along with the Sox being clueless against Verlander but making a comeback against the Tigers bullpen again. Loved that game from the other night though with that comeback.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on October 18, 2013, 10:35:25 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on October 18, 2013, 10:35:25 PM
Dodgers vs Cardinals:
Currently 9 to 0, Cardinals winning.
Currently 9 to 0, Cardinals winning.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 18, 2013, 11:52:16 PM
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 18, 2013, 11:52:16 PM
The St. Louis Cardinals are now your 2013 National League Champions after a 9-0 victory over the Dodgers...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 19, 2013, 10:19:44 PM
Post by: Desert Man on October 19, 2013, 10:19:44 PM
The Dodgers sucked...inable to score run in the NLCS game 6 last night. I'm disappointed and so were many baseball fans in SoCal. You know what they say "maybe next year". Michael Wacha of the Cards' pitching staff is poised to have the MVP designation for beating the Dodgers' Clayton Kershaw twice.
Right now, the Red Sox gained a run to lead game 6 vs. the Tigers. The time is running out for the Tigers, score a run or two to break the Red Sox's lead. If the Red Sox won (responding to Brandon), the rematch of the 2004 world series when the Red Sox won their first championship title since 1918.
Right now, the Red Sox gained a run to lead game 6 vs. the Tigers. The time is running out for the Tigers, score a run or two to break the Red Sox's lead. If the Red Sox won (responding to Brandon), the rematch of the 2004 world series when the Red Sox won their first championship title since 1918.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on October 19, 2013, 10:39:54 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on October 19, 2013, 10:39:54 PM
Quote from: Mike D boy on October 19, 2013, 10:19:44 PM
Right now, the Red Sox gained a run to lead game 6 vs. the Tigers.
Tigers have 2 now.
EDIT: And now Red Sox have 5.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on October 20, 2013, 12:03:21 AM
Post by: hotdogPi on October 20, 2013, 12:03:21 AM
RED SOX WIN!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 20, 2013, 12:36:43 AM
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 20, 2013, 12:36:43 AM
It's gonna be a Cardinals/Red Sox World Series this year. With what looks to be some really good baseball coming up...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 20, 2013, 09:43:23 AM
Post by: Takumi on October 20, 2013, 09:43:23 AM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say the team that wears white and red is going to win the World Series.
But seriously, I'm picking the Cardinals.
But seriously, I'm picking the Cardinals.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on October 21, 2013, 12:01:57 PM
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on October 21, 2013, 12:01:57 PM
Gotta go with Boston Strong. They got home field and motivation since April to get this far and after the Bruins lost the cup, the Red Sox would love to bring another World Series trophy home to the Fenway Faithful.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 21, 2013, 03:00:01 PM
Post by: Henry on October 21, 2013, 03:00:01 PM
Looks like everyone in Chicago will be changing their Sox for this Series only... :-D
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 24, 2013, 02:45:02 PM
Post by: Henry on October 24, 2013, 02:45:02 PM
And Boston takes Game 1, 8-1, taking advantage of the Cardinals' sloppy play. This is the Red Sox's ninth Series game win in a row, dating back to 2004.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on October 25, 2013, 03:03:15 PM
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on October 25, 2013, 03:03:15 PM
Quote from: Henry on October 24, 2013, 02:45:02 PMAnd that momentum switched back to Saint Louis with a Game 2 win filled with Boston sloppiness late in the game. Would ponder the fact that Breslow should have held that ball...
And Boston takes Game 1, 8-1, taking advantage of the Cardinals' sloppy play. This is the Red Sox's ninth Series game win in a row, dating back to 2004.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 25, 2013, 03:31:23 PM
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 25, 2013, 03:31:23 PM
after what happened to Pesky, no Red Sox player is ever going to hold the ball against the Cardinals.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CanesFan27 on October 25, 2013, 04:53:05 PM
Post by: CanesFan27 on October 25, 2013, 04:53:05 PM
Quote from: Roadmaestro95 on October 25, 2013, 03:03:15 PMQuote from: Henry on October 24, 2013, 02:45:02 PMAnd that momentum switched back to Saint Louis with a Game 2 win filled with Boston sloppiness late in the game. Would ponder the fact that Breslow should have held that ball...
And Boston takes Game 1, 8-1, taking advantage of the Cardinals' sloppy play. This is the Red Sox's ninth Series game win in a row, dating back to 2004.
Momentum is only as good as the next day's starting pitcher.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on October 25, 2013, 08:53:46 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on October 25, 2013, 08:53:46 PM
I have a wild guess:
The last out of the game will be caught in the air by the 3rd baseman.
Let's see if I'm right.
The last out of the game will be caught in the air by the 3rd baseman.
Let's see if I'm right.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on October 26, 2013, 04:17:37 PM
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on October 26, 2013, 04:17:37 PM
Quote from: 1 on October 25, 2013, 08:53:46 PMWhich game? Game 3? Or when the Sox win the Series?
I have a wild guess:
The last out of the game will be caught in the air by the 3rd baseman.
Let's see if I'm right.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on October 26, 2013, 04:20:39 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on October 26, 2013, 04:20:39 PM
Quote from: Roadmaestro95 on October 26, 2013, 04:17:37 PMQuote from: 1 on October 25, 2013, 08:53:46 PMWhich game? Game 3? Or when the Sox win the Series?
I have a wild guess:
The last out of the game will be caught in the air by the 3rd baseman.
Let's see if I'm right.
Game 3.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on October 27, 2013, 02:33:46 PM
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on October 27, 2013, 02:33:46 PM
Quote from: 1 on October 26, 2013, 04:20:39 PMWell I don't think anyone would have guessed that obstruction would end any World Series game...Quote from: Roadmaestro95 on October 26, 2013, 04:17:37 PMQuote from: 1 on October 25, 2013, 08:53:46 PMWhich game? Game 3? Or when the Sox win the Series?
I have a wild guess:
The last out of the game will be caught in the air by the 3rd baseman.
Let's see if I'm right.
Game 3.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 30, 2013, 11:27:42 PM
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on October 30, 2013, 11:27:42 PM
The Boston Red Sox are now your 2013 World Series Champions!!!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on October 30, 2013, 11:32:54 PM
Post by: corco on October 30, 2013, 11:32:54 PM
booooooooooooooooooo
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on October 31, 2013, 12:04:04 AM
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on October 31, 2013, 12:04:04 AM
For the first time in 95 years, the SAWX have won the World Series at Fenway!
And a final goodbye to Hall of Famer Tim McCarver! (Do we care...well I do!)
And a final goodbye to Hall of Famer Tim McCarver! (Do we care...well I do!)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 31, 2013, 02:46:46 PM
Post by: Henry on October 31, 2013, 02:46:46 PM
Quote from: CentralCAroadgeek on October 30, 2013, 11:27:42 PMAnd everybody in Chicago is now happy that the Cardinals lost.
The Boston Red Sox are now your 2013 World Series Champions!!!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on October 31, 2013, 02:55:22 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on October 31, 2013, 02:55:22 PM
Why did the OP put a hyphen in the title?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 31, 2013, 03:47:20 PM
Post by: Takumi on October 31, 2013, 03:47:20 PM
Because game 6 of the 2011 World Series was so awesome that you just wanted to yell "BASE-BALL!!!!" at the top of your lungs. The hyphen was accidentally removed sometime in 2012 (April Fools, I think) when all sport names were filtered to food names. Now it's back to how it normally was.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on December 06, 2013, 11:27:57 AM
Post by: corco on December 06, 2013, 11:27:57 AM
ROBINSON CANO
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on December 06, 2013, 12:16:57 PM
Post by: Takumi on December 06, 2013, 12:16:57 PM
The page break made that post that much greater.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 06, 2013, 12:20:24 PM
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 06, 2013, 12:20:24 PM
Quote from: corco on December 06, 2013, 11:27:57 AM
ROBINSON CANO
STORE-BOUGHT PLAYERS and TEAMS.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on December 06, 2013, 04:29:21 PM
Post by: Alps on December 06, 2013, 04:29:21 PM
Quote from: corco on December 06, 2013, 11:27:57 AMIS OVERPAID FOR HIS PRODUCTION IN 9 YEARS
ROBINSON CANO
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Thing 342 on December 06, 2013, 04:49:15 PM
Post by: Thing 342 on December 06, 2013, 04:49:15 PM
Quote from: corco on December 06, 2013, 11:27:57 AM
ROBINSON CANO
WILL HIT .215 NEXT SEASON
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 06, 2013, 05:17:48 PM
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 06, 2013, 05:17:48 PM
OK, AROD predictions for 2014?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on December 06, 2013, 05:33:59 PM
Post by: corco on December 06, 2013, 05:33:59 PM
Eh, pretty much all players signed to huge deals are not worth it over the full contract term but what is a major league payroll without several million in dead weight? As far as hitting .215 knowing the mariners luck yeah probably.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on December 06, 2013, 09:36:50 PM
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on December 06, 2013, 09:36:50 PM
I think it's funny that Cashman couldn't cash him in but I think Seattle has had enough of not being in the playoffs, they had to make a splash somehow. Something tells me Papelbon will be heading to the Puget Sound too...
And also I am happy about the Grandy Man staying in NYC, but I can't believe that people are comparing him to Jason Bay already...
Could this be the Mets town soon? My die-hard fandom says yes, but my gut still doesn't agree.
And also I am happy about the Grandy Man staying in NYC, but I can't believe that people are comparing him to Jason Bay already...
Could this be the Mets town soon? My die-hard fandom says yes, but my gut still doesn't agree.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on December 06, 2013, 10:53:34 PM
Post by: corco on December 06, 2013, 10:53:34 PM
As a Mariners fan I'm more in shock than anything. It's a big gamble- we were slowly tending a farm of good young players but were probably still 2-3 years from being contenders.
Now that we have Cano, we have to be contenders within a year and then we've got about a three year window before that contract starts to go sour, so we probably are going to need to cash out some of those youngsters this offseason to get some more supporting pieces because the Mariners now even with Cano just aren't playoff caliber- they're a lot closer than they were this morning, but they still have a good distance to go.
Which...is either going to be amazing and we'll finally be back in the playoffs again or we're doomed to irrelevance for another decade.
That said holy fuck we have Robinson Cano
Now that we have Cano, we have to be contenders within a year and then we've got about a three year window before that contract starts to go sour, so we probably are going to need to cash out some of those youngsters this offseason to get some more supporting pieces because the Mariners now even with Cano just aren't playoff caliber- they're a lot closer than they were this morning, but they still have a good distance to go.
Which...is either going to be amazing and we'll finally be back in the playoffs again or we're doomed to irrelevance for another decade.
That said holy fuck we have Robinson Cano
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on December 06, 2013, 11:10:47 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on December 06, 2013, 11:10:47 PM
Don't forget about Jacoby Ellsbury. He switched.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on December 06, 2013, 11:41:48 PM
Post by: Alps on December 06, 2013, 11:41:48 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 06, 2013, 11:10:47 PMAlso overpriced, but not nearly as badly.
Don't forget about Jacoby Ellsbury. He switched.
... Wait, the Yankees just got Beltran, despite already having five outfielders. What the fuck is going on over there? This is even dumber than Cano's contract. I forfeit 2014.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on December 06, 2013, 11:58:11 PM
Post by: corco on December 06, 2013, 11:58:11 PM
Wait who are the five? Gardner/Soriano/Beltran and then Ichiro/Wells? That gives you four old guys who need days off and one of them to DH. I think you're perfect with that situation.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 07, 2013, 12:01:37 AM
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 07, 2013, 12:01:37 AM
Quote from: corco on December 06, 2013, 11:58:11 PM
Wait who are the five? Gardner/Soriano/Beltran and then Ichiro/Wells? That gives you four old guys who need days off and one of them to DH. I think you're perfect with that situation.
Of course, if A-Rod somehow gets off, that just makes the DH situation even more complicated as he would probably have to DH sometimes. Jeter will probably end up DHing sometimes too.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on December 07, 2013, 12:11:32 AM
Post by: corco on December 07, 2013, 12:11:32 AM
So then you have 7 players for 6 slots, but all of them are old and will need frequent days off- you can't expect any of them but Gardner to play more than 120 games or so. Most likely, one of them gets hurt and that solves that.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on December 07, 2013, 10:34:17 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on December 07, 2013, 10:34:17 PM
So happy to see the Yankees are becoming the official team of AARP, and that every day will be Old Timers' Day. Judas Ellsbury is injury prone, and Beltran for 3 years when he's 37 is a mistake for them too. Getting Napoli back was a great move, and AJ is a nice bridge to the prospect catchers in our system. Not sure if Jackie Bradley Jr. is ready to handle CF every day, so Choo might be an option.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on December 12, 2013, 12:49:06 PM
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on December 12, 2013, 12:49:06 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on December 07, 2013, 10:34:17 PMThat's a BIG might though...but Boston is probably going to develop the young outfielder in right field, while Victorino will take over center. Besides, the M's & the Rangers are described as the "lead dogs" for Choo...according to the NY Post.
So happy to see the Yankees are becoming the official team of AARP, and that every day will be Old Timers' Day. Judas Ellsbury is injury prone, and Beltran for 3 years when he's 37 is a mistake for them too. Getting Napoli back was a great move, and AJ is a nice bridge to the prospect catchers in our system. Not sure if Jackie Bradley Jr. is ready to handle CF every day, so Choo might be an option.
On another note...we all thought the Mets would be done spending after the Grandy Man took his bags across the East River into Flushing...now Bartolo Colon is a Met for 2 years...$20 mil. I get he is a placeholder in the rotation for Harvey next year...but I don't understand the point of spending as much as they did for how long for a 40 YEAR OLD. And he was implicated for steroid use...thus his production will probably not be as good as when he was on the Athletics.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on March 31, 2014, 02:06:38 PM
Post by: corco on March 31, 2014, 02:06:38 PM
HAPPY BASE-BALL DAY.
WOO.
WOO.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on March 31, 2014, 05:35:12 PM
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on March 31, 2014, 05:35:12 PM
Quote from: corco on March 31, 2014, 02:06:38 PMShould seriously be considered a national holiday...I gave up everything today just to watch it on tv
HAPPY BASE-BALL DAY.
WOO.
What great priorities I have!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on April 24, 2014, 03:58:43 PM
Post by: Henry on April 24, 2014, 03:58:43 PM
I know I'm one day late, but Wrigley Field celebrated its 100th anniversary with a game against the Diamondbacks, which the Cubs lost 7-5.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 26, 2014, 04:34:20 PM
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 26, 2014, 04:34:20 PM
Quote from: Henry on April 24, 2014, 03:58:43 PM
I know I'm one day late, but Wrigley Field celebrated its 100th anniversary with a game against the Diamondbacks, which the Cubs lost 7-5.
It would not have been right if the Cubs had won, would it?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tchafe1978 on April 26, 2014, 10:46:17 PM
Post by: tchafe1978 on April 26, 2014, 10:46:17 PM
Isn't it sad that their last World Series trophy is older than their stadium? Ok, not really...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Thing 342 on April 27, 2014, 11:05:56 PM
Post by: Thing 342 on April 27, 2014, 11:05:56 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on April 26, 2014, 10:46:17 PM
Isn't it sad that their last World Series trophy is older than their stadium? Ok, not really...
The last time the Cubs won the series, the Ottoman Empire still existed.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Pete from Boston on April 28, 2014, 09:20:50 AM
Post by: Pete from Boston on April 28, 2014, 09:20:50 AM
Quote from: Thing 342 on April 27, 2014, 11:05:56 PMQuote from: tchafe1978 on April 26, 2014, 10:46:17 PM
Isn't it sad that their last World Series trophy is older than their stadium? Ok, not really...
The last time the Cubs won the series, the Ottoman Empire still existed.
And the Austro-Hungarian, British, French, and Russian Empires. I'd include German, but it wasn't much of an empire. In fact, there had been a state called "Germany" for a total of 37 years.
Poland was not a country, nor were most of the countries we know in Eastern Europe. One independent country — one — existed in Africa (Ethiopia).
There were 46 states in the Union, and we occupied the Philippines and Cuba (though we were still a few years away from our 19-year occupation of Haiti).
Something like 2% of the country was electrified.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on April 28, 2014, 10:36:59 AM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on April 28, 2014, 10:36:59 AM
We'll see next year if the Cubs will win the World Series as "predicted" in Back to the Future II when the Cubs faced Miami in 2015. ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on April 28, 2014, 10:55:16 AM
Post by: ET21 on April 28, 2014, 10:55:16 AM
^^ Doubt it, because we still don't have hover boards :)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on April 28, 2014, 10:57:11 AM
Post by: Big John on April 28, 2014, 10:57:11 AM
^^ Both are National League teams so a World Series can't be between them.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on April 28, 2014, 11:28:40 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on April 28, 2014, 11:28:40 PM
Hey, at least they accurately predicted there would be a team in Miami. And they even changed their name from "Florida" to "Miami" just recently.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on May 04, 2014, 02:12:27 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on May 04, 2014, 02:12:27 PM
I saw that article on the Atlantic Cities about Buffalo who built a stadium for the MLB but they never came.
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/jobs-and-economy/2012/07/they-built-it-mlb-never-came/2509/
And it's been 10 years then the Montreal Expos moved. :( http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=443487
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/jobs-and-economy/2012/07/they-built-it-mlb-never-came/2509/
And it's been 10 years then the Montreal Expos moved. :( http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=443487
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on May 16, 2014, 10:56:10 PM
Post by: Desert Man on May 16, 2014, 10:56:10 PM
On May 4th, I attended another Angels home game, this time the home team lost 14-3 to the Rangers. Root, root, root for the home team, if they don't win, it's a shame. The Angels are above .500 currently in second place in the AL west. I'm aware Josh Hamilton is on the DL.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on May 23, 2014, 09:39:51 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on May 23, 2014, 09:39:51 PM
How long will Red Sox vs. Rays be scoreless? It's been 7 innings, and neither team has scored yet.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on June 16, 2014, 04:42:10 PM
Post by: Henry on June 16, 2014, 04:42:10 PM
Some sad news for fans of the San Diego Padres, and of baseball in general: Tony Gwynn, one of the best contact hitters of his generation, has passed away at the age of 54 (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11091626/hall-famer-tony-gwynn-san-diego-padres-died). Condolences go out to the Padres organization and his family. (Yes, my wife is a Padres fan, as she's originally from San Diego.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on June 23, 2014, 11:51:25 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on June 23, 2014, 11:51:25 PM
I see they're only going to do 7 outs in this year's Home Run Derby. Probably trying to move things along a little faster. But now we will no longer be able to compare the records...
The Home Run Derby, along with every other all-star game and their related activities, are admittedly a sideshow. And people who have strong opinions about Chris Bermen have that to deal with. Still, any thoughts from our baseball fans about this change?
The Home Run Derby, along with every other all-star game and their related activities, are admittedly a sideshow. And people who have strong opinions about Chris Bermen have that to deal with. Still, any thoughts from our baseball fans about this change?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on June 24, 2014, 10:45:47 PM
Post by: Alps on June 24, 2014, 10:45:47 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on June 23, 2014, 11:51:25 PMYeah, it was tough watching it all the way through till 11:30. Here's a suggestion - start it at 7 instead of 8?
I see they're only going to do 7 outs in this year's Home Run Derby. Probably trying to move things along a little faster. But now we will no longer be able to compare the records...
The Home Run Derby, along with every other all-star game and their related activities, are admittedly a sideshow. And people who have strong opinions about Chris Bermen have that to deal with. Still, any thoughts from our baseball fans about this change?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on June 25, 2014, 09:52:23 PM
Post by: ET21 on June 25, 2014, 09:52:23 PM
Timmy 2Time with another no-hitter against the Padres. Back to back no hits for the man against the same team nearly a year apart
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on June 25, 2014, 11:54:29 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on June 25, 2014, 11:54:29 PM
Bad night for UVA to have the bats fall silent. Heck of a season, though. Vanderbilt's pitchers just plain beat the guys tonight. Too many failures with runners in scoring position.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: spooky on June 26, 2014, 07:06:29 AM
Post by: spooky on June 26, 2014, 07:06:29 AM
Quote from: ET21 on June 25, 2014, 09:52:23 PM
Timmy 2Time with another no-hitter against the Padres. Back to back no hits for the man against the same team nearly a year apart
No-hitters against the Padres should have asterisks next to them in the record book.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 26, 2014, 08:20:31 AM
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 26, 2014, 08:20:31 AM
Quote from: Alps on June 24, 2014, 10:45:47 PMQuote from: triplemultiplex on June 23, 2014, 11:51:25 PMYeah, it was tough watching it all the way through till 11:30. Here's a suggestion - start it at 7 instead of 8?
I see they're only going to do 7 outs in this year's Home Run Derby. Probably trying to move things along a little faster. But now we will no longer be able to compare the records...
The Home Run Derby, along with every other all-star game and their related activities, are admittedly a sideshow. And people who have strong opinions about Chris Bermen have that to deal with. Still, any thoughts from our baseball fans about this change?
I like Chris Berman's voice. Opinionated Baseball Fans for some reason don't like announcers with a good knowledge of baseball for some reason.
As far as records go, there's always variables. Is it fair to compare records of a home run hitting contest in a baseball park that favors hitters, compared to those that competed in a park that favors pitchers?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on June 26, 2014, 11:09:26 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on June 26, 2014, 11:09:26 AM
I don't mind Chris Berman's voice, and for certain bits he's a perfect announcer (moderating "C'Mon Man!," for example). I found his schtick annoying during last year's Home Run Derby, though. He insists on doing that "back-back-back" thing despite clearly not understanding what it means. It originated with Red Barber. When Barber made his famous call of Al Gionfriddo's catch in which he used "back" something like eight or nine times, he was following the fielder, not the ball:
The point of "back-back-back" is for a radio announcer to relate the outfielder racing across a large swath of grass trying to get in position to make the catch. It has nothing to do with the flight of the ball; arguably, for the ball to go "back" it would be fouled back over the screen behind the plate. On the radio, following the fielder is more important in many ways than following the ball. If Mel Allen had been calling that play, he would have said something like, "It's going, going....caught up against the wall by Gionfriddo." You wouldn't have any sense for his frenzied run to make the catch.
The point of "back-back-back" is for a radio announcer to relate the outfielder racing across a large swath of grass trying to get in position to make the catch. It has nothing to do with the flight of the ball; arguably, for the ball to go "back" it would be fouled back over the screen behind the plate. On the radio, following the fielder is more important in many ways than following the ball. If Mel Allen had been calling that play, he would have said something like, "It's going, going....caught up against the wall by Gionfriddo." You wouldn't have any sense for his frenzied run to make the catch.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: The Nature Boy on July 23, 2014, 04:13:56 PM
Post by: The Nature Boy on July 23, 2014, 04:13:56 PM
Quote from: Big John on April 28, 2014, 10:57:11 AM
^^ Both are National League teams so a World Series can't be between them.
My prediction: Cubs beat Marlins in NLCS and lose in the World Series.
The reporter just confused the NLCS with the World Series. Back to the Future even correctly predicted the fall of journalism.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on March 31, 2019, 01:45:14 PM
Post by: mgk920 on March 31, 2019, 01:45:14 PM
Since I haven't seen a basic catch-all thread on baseball in here, I'll start one.
Did anyone else catch Josh Hader's totally amazing relief pitching performance against the Cardinals at Miller Park last night (Saturday, 2019-03-30) as the Brewers' fireball closer? He struck out all three of the Cardinals that he faced in nine pitches to save the Brewers' 4-2 win.
:wow:
Mike
Did anyone else catch Josh Hader's totally amazing relief pitching performance against the Cardinals at Miller Park last night (Saturday, 2019-03-30) as the Brewers' fireball closer? He struck out all three of the Cardinals that he faced in nine pitches to save the Brewers' 4-2 win.
:wow:
Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on March 31, 2019, 03:00:38 PM
Post by: Big John on March 31, 2019, 03:00:38 PM
Now Yelich homered in each of the first 4 games.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on March 31, 2019, 06:23:32 PM
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on March 31, 2019, 06:23:32 PM
There's this forgotten thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=5534.0). Back when the last post to date was made there the Cubs had not won a World Series for over a century...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on March 31, 2019, 06:26:54 PM
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on March 31, 2019, 06:26:54 PM
Bumping this thread into a strange time where the Cubs have recently (2016) won the World Series. Not the incumbent champions, though.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on April 01, 2019, 10:04:54 AM
Post by: Henry on April 01, 2019, 10:04:54 AM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on March 31, 2019, 06:26:54 PMAnd all their fans are happy that they got their chance to celebrate; I know I am one of them!
Bumping this thread into a strange time where the Cubs have recently (2016) won the World Series. Not the incumbent champions, though.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on April 01, 2019, 10:47:04 AM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on April 01, 2019, 10:47:04 AM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on March 31, 2019, 06:26:54 PM
Bumping this thread into a strange time where the Cubs have recently (2016) won the World Series. Not the incumbent champions, though.
That would be my Red Sox. Although their starting pitching has been anything but championship caliber in the first 4 games.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on April 01, 2019, 02:54:04 PM
Post by: ET21 on April 01, 2019, 02:54:04 PM
I'm trying to figure out who Timmy 2Time is that I referenced :-D I'm assuming Tim Lincecum
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on April 08, 2019, 11:02:28 AM
Post by: Henry on April 08, 2019, 11:02:28 AM
Today's the home opener for my Cubs; I hope they do a lot better than they have so far this season :)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on April 08, 2019, 03:10:14 PM
Post by: ET21 on April 08, 2019, 03:10:14 PM
Quote from: Henry on April 08, 2019, 11:02:28 AM
Today's the home opener for my Cubs; I hope they do a lot better than they have so far this season :)
Best team record wise is located at 35th and Shields ;-)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Bruce on April 08, 2019, 09:50:20 PM
Post by: Bruce on April 08, 2019, 09:50:20 PM
How long until the Mariners stumble and fall into the annual pit of despair?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on April 08, 2019, 11:05:01 PM
Post by: Takumi on April 08, 2019, 11:05:01 PM
Quote from: ET21 on April 01, 2019, 02:54:04 PMYep. Man did his career go off the rails after the second one.
I'm trying to figure out who Timmy 2Time is that I referenced :-D I'm assuming Tim Lincecum
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on April 09, 2019, 01:05:22 PM
Post by: Henry on April 09, 2019, 01:05:22 PM
Quote from: Bruce on April 08, 2019, 09:50:20 PMI get this a lot, and honestly, I could care less.
How long until the Mariners stumble and fall into the annual pit of despair?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on April 14, 2019, 08:46:26 PM
Post by: kevinb1994 on April 14, 2019, 08:46:26 PM
I was following the Mets-Braves game on ESPN and they were interviewing Hank Aaron (RIP) during the first three innings. He played here (at Barrs Field in 1953) during his time in the minor leagues (and also at now-demolished Wolfson Park for a 1955 exhibition game between the then-Milwaukee Braves and the then-Brooklyn Dodgers; he was already in the major leagues as a Milwaukee (later, Atlanta) Brave by this time), when the local team was affiliated with the Braves and was thus named after them. He was born and raised in Mobile, which is several-plus hours to the west via I-10 and US 90.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on June 20, 2019, 04:43:39 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on June 20, 2019, 04:43:39 PM
Bumping this thread. Apparently, the Rays are exploring taking off to the Great White North, with the franchise playing a few early season series in Tampa/St Pete before playing the rest of the season in Montreal. Sure it'll be a great draw for Jays fans, and for Red Sox and Yankees fans coming from the Burlington, VT area and the north country of upstate NY.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27016429/rays-explore-splitting-games-montreal
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27016429/rays-explore-splitting-games-montreal
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on June 20, 2019, 04:47:26 PM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on June 20, 2019, 04:47:26 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on June 20, 2019, 04:43:39 PM
Bumping this thread. Apparently, the Rays are exploring taking off to the Great White North, with the franchise playing a few early season series in Tampa/St Pete before playing the rest of the season in Montreal. Sure it'll be a great draw for Jays fans, and for Red Sox and Yankees fans coming from the Burlington, VT area and the north country of upstate NY.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27016429/rays-explore-splitting-games-montreal
The St. Petersburg city government has quickly put the kibosh on this idea.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on June 20, 2019, 07:27:47 PM
Post by: kevinb1994 on June 20, 2019, 07:27:47 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on June 20, 2019, 04:47:26 PMFor now, at least. But maybe they'll end up moving anyway, just not to Montreal. Perhaps Charlotte could work.Quote from: jp the roadgeek on June 20, 2019, 04:43:39 PM
Bumping this thread. Apparently, the Rays are exploring taking off to the Great White North, with the franchise playing a few early season series in Tampa/St Pete before playing the rest of the season in Montreal. Sure it'll be a great draw for Jays fans, and for Red Sox and Yankees fans coming from the Burlington, VT area and the north country of upstate NY.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27016429/rays-explore-splitting-games-montreal (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27016429/rays-explore-splitting-games-montreal)
The St. Petersburg city government has quickly put the kibosh on this idea.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on June 21, 2019, 08:56:14 AM
Post by: ET21 on June 21, 2019, 08:56:14 AM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on June 20, 2019, 07:27:47 PMQuote from: TheHighwayMan394 on June 20, 2019, 04:47:26 PMFor now, at least. But maybe they'll end up moving anyway.Quote from: jp the roadgeek on June 20, 2019, 04:43:39 PM
Bumping this thread. Apparently, the Rays are exploring taking off to the Great White North, with the franchise playing a few early season series in Tampa/St Pete before playing the rest of the season in Montreal. Sure it'll be a great draw for Jays fans, and for Red Sox and Yankees fans coming from the Burlington, VT area and the north country of upstate NY.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27016429/rays-explore-splitting-games-montreal (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27016429/rays-explore-splitting-games-montreal)
The St. Petersburg city government has quickly put the kibosh on this idea.
They attract 5K on average to games.... Just move them already. Rather have the Expos return
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 21, 2019, 09:15:57 AM
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 21, 2019, 09:15:57 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on June 20, 2019, 04:43:39 PM
Bumping this thread. Apparently, the Rays are exploring taking off to the Great White North, with the franchise playing a few early season series in Tampa/St Pete before playing the rest of the season in Montreal. Sure it'll be a great draw for Jays fans, and for Red Sox and Yankees fans coming from the Burlington, VT area and the north country of upstate NY.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27016429/rays-explore-splitting-games-montreal
The Expos didn't do so well in the win column, and losing teams don't bring in fans. Until the Rays are moved out of the AL East, or the Red Sox and Yankees do continually bad, it's tough for the Rays, the O's and the Blue Jays to have any long-term success in that Division.
Baseball fans don't typically travel all that much either, so while some may travel for the novelty, away team fans usually don't fill stadiums. Also, Season Ticket holders are a teams' bread-and-butter. Away fans add some bonus dollars, but not in great amounts from an overall perspective.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: dvferyance on June 21, 2019, 06:18:22 PM
Post by: dvferyance on June 21, 2019, 06:18:22 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on June 20, 2019, 04:43:39 PMAgain no Canadian teams in American sports. They want a team get your own league. Besides there is a reason baseball failed in Montreal there was no support.
Bumping this thread. Apparently, the Rays are exploring taking off to the Great White North, with the franchise playing a few early season series in Tampa/St Pete before playing the rest of the season in Montreal. Sure it'll be a great draw for Jays fans, and for Red Sox and Yankees fans coming from the Burlington, VT area and the north country of upstate NY.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27016429/rays-explore-splitting-games-montreal
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on June 21, 2019, 06:26:18 PM
Post by: corco on June 21, 2019, 06:26:18 PM
What. First off that's dumb - there is no history or real precedent for major leagues not being intended to be in Canada, second off that's an entirely incorrect reading of why baseball in Montreal ended in the first place. The problem was terrible ownership (the same Jeff Loria that owned the Marlins from 2002-2017) and a determination to relocate the team for years before it left. Montreal was actually quite a good baseball city when they had ownership that cared. The 1994 strike really hurt them. MLB tried in bad faith to contract the Expos and Twins and failed, but Twins baseball is doing quite well now. Baseball in Montreal would be too if the owners weren't determined to move them
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on June 21, 2019, 06:31:02 PM
Post by: Alps on June 21, 2019, 06:31:02 PM
Speaking of baseball, Michigan has just advanced to the CWS finals from an unseeded wild card position, throttling Texas Tech twice in the playoffs after a 3-game season sweep by TT. Talk about a hot streak.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on June 21, 2019, 06:44:35 PM
Post by: kevinb1994 on June 21, 2019, 06:44:35 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on June 21, 2019, 09:15:57 AMMostly true, but the situation was due to poor management/ownership. Anyway, I'm not sure if Montreal wants another team. My money's on Charlotte.Quote from: jp the roadgeek on June 20, 2019, 04:43:39 PM
Bumping this thread. Apparently, the Rays are exploring taking off to the Great White North, with the franchise playing a few early season series in Tampa/St Pete before playing the rest of the season in Montreal. Sure it'll be a great draw for Jays fans, and for Red Sox and Yankees fans coming from the Burlington, VT area and the north country of upstate NY.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27016429/rays-explore-splitting-games-montreal (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27016429/rays-explore-splitting-games-montreal)
The Expos didn't do so well in the win column, and losing teams don't bring in fans. Until the Rays are moved out of the AL East, or the Red Sox and Yankees do continually bad, it's tough for the Rays, the O's and the Blue Jays to have any long-term success in that Division.
Baseball fans don't typically travel all that much either, so while some may travel for the novelty, away team fans usually don't fill stadiums. Also, Season Ticket holders are a teams' bread-and-butter. Away fans add some bonus dollars, but not in great amounts from an overall perspective.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on June 21, 2019, 09:29:49 PM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on June 21, 2019, 09:29:49 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on June 21, 2019, 06:18:22 PMQuote from: jp the roadgeek on June 20, 2019, 04:43:39 PMAgain no Canadian teams in American sports. They want a team get your own league. Besides there is a reason baseball failed in Montreal there was no support.
Bumping this thread. Apparently, the Rays are exploring taking off to the Great White North, with the franchise playing a few early season series in Tampa/St Pete before playing the rest of the season in Montreal. Sure it'll be a great draw for Jays fans, and for Red Sox and Yankees fans coming from the Burlington, VT area and the north country of upstate NY.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27016429/rays-explore-splitting-games-montreal
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on June 21, 2019, 10:27:00 PM
Post by: amroad17 on June 21, 2019, 10:27:00 PM
The stadium the Expos played in had a bit to do with the team moving also. It was fairly dark in there--made even more gloomier when the Expos weren't winning.
They did have some snazzy uniforms in the 1970's and 1980's, though. And some really good players (Carter, Dawson, Raines, Valentine, Cromartie, Rogers).
They did have some snazzy uniforms in the 1970's and 1980's, though. And some really good players (Carter, Dawson, Raines, Valentine, Cromartie, Rogers).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on June 21, 2019, 10:42:31 PM
Post by: Big John on June 21, 2019, 10:42:31 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on June 21, 2019, 10:27:00 PM(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcontent.sportslogos.net%2Flogos%2F54%2F66%2Fthumbs%2Fw5aqbkrk24pv86dfgh5a1bh06.gif&hash=ffdaeb22b06f7b5f8ec5ab9b02065ab14a38eca5) with the red "e" for "Expos" and blue "b" for "baseball inside the "M"
They did have some snazzy uniforms in the 1970's and 1980's, though.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on June 21, 2019, 11:21:03 PM
Post by: amroad17 on June 21, 2019, 11:21:03 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on June 21, 2019, 10:37:21 PMCouldn't do anything but help. Besides, with the way stadiums/parks are lit up now, the fans wouldn't have to worry about the drabness of Olympic Stadium anymore. Plus, the stadium/park would need only 40,000-50,000 seats instead of the 73,000 seat building they were in from 1977-1991 (reduced to 45,757 in 1992).Quote from: amroad17 on June 21, 2019, 10:27:00 PMMaybe a new stadium will do the trick.
The stadium the Expos played in had a bit to do with the team moving also. It was fairly dark in there--made even more gloomier when the Expos weren't winning.
They did have some snazzy uniforms in the 1970's and 1980's, though. And some really good players (Carter, Dawson, Raines, Valentine, Cromartie, Rogers).
I am not going on and on about the drabness/darkness of Olympic Stadium to ridicule the stadium or the Expos. I have Street and Smith's Baseball Guides from the late 1970's (1978-80 to be exact) with photos of Expo players in their home uniforms. Even though they are in black and white, the photos show how dark it was during games. Even the 1987 Sporting News Baseball Guide has the same types of photos. I also believe the ownership at the time (1990's) was not going to spend a bunch of money on improvements to the stadium.
I also believe the 1994 Expos would have gone to the World Series, with the roster they had that year. Whether they would have won it is up for debate, but they were clearly the best National League team that year. Then the strike occurred and popped the bubble that was the Montreal Expos.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tolbs17 on July 27, 2019, 03:37:14 PM
Post by: tolbs17 on July 27, 2019, 03:37:14 PM
I suck at baseball. I almost got hit in the head when I was hitting a ball and i tripped i got a splinter. So I never play baseball again. Although it's fun watching them play though!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on July 28, 2019, 11:23:41 AM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on July 28, 2019, 11:23:41 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on June 21, 2019, 11:21:03 PM
I also believe the 1994 Expos would have gone to the World Series, with the roster they had that year. Whether they would have won it is up for debate, but they were clearly the best National League team that year. Then the strike occurred and popped the bubble that was the Montreal Expos.
Yeah, there's some times I pondered if that strike was done in purpose to kill the Expos? I still have a grudge against Donald Fehr for doing this strike and he's involved in hockey with the NHLPA.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on August 08, 2019, 09:56:07 AM
Post by: Henry on August 08, 2019, 09:56:07 AM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on July 28, 2019, 11:23:41 AMThat's a very good question, but it's great to hear that they're doing quite well in Washington, which is a welcome change from all those losing seasons that the Senators had to go through. Speaking as a Cubs fan (who had to watch them spend yet another year in the cellar), I wish they (the Expos) had faced the Yankees in the World Series and gotten a chance to win a third straight championship for Canada; too bad it didn't end that way because of the devastating strike.Quote from: amroad17 on June 21, 2019, 11:21:03 PM
I also believe the 1994 Expos would have gone to the World Series, with the roster they had that year. Whether they would have won it is up for debate, but they were clearly the best National League team that year. Then the strike occurred and popped the bubble that was the Montreal Expos.
Yeah, there's some times I pondered if that strike was done in purpose to kill the Expos? I still have a grudge against Donald Fehr for doing this strike and he's involved in hockey with the NHLPA.
And Donald Fehr was behind the NHL lockout that cancelled its 2004-05 season, IIRC.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tchafe1978 on August 08, 2019, 04:23:28 PM
Post by: tchafe1978 on August 08, 2019, 04:23:28 PM
http://www.telegraphherald.com/news/breaking/article_aafc09f5-f1fb-57bf-95de-41210a5ef656.html?fbclid=IwAR2XTwXtXEDMjmGTIXe_4b0QQrbEYeWgSl_PVjqO38Lkb9DEnW8-YswVGQU#utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
The Yankees and White Sox are going to play a game at the Field of Dreams movie site in August of next year. They will build a temporary 8,000 seat stadium next to the field used in the movie. The field used in the movie has small dimensions, and every fly ball would be a home run!
The Yankees and White Sox are going to play a game at the Field of Dreams movie site in August of next year. They will build a temporary 8,000 seat stadium next to the field used in the movie. The field used in the movie has small dimensions, and every fly ball would be a home run!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on August 08, 2019, 05:24:58 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on August 08, 2019, 05:24:58 PM
Shouldn't it be the White Sox vs. the Reds (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sox_Scandal)? ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on August 09, 2019, 03:31:40 PM
Post by: amroad17 on August 09, 2019, 03:31:40 PM
^ MLB needs a team that will draw fans. The Reds of today will not draw as many fans as the Yankees will. Now if this was the "Big Red Machine", we would be having a different conversation.
MLB should have scheduled the Cubs against the Yankees for this, however, this will be part of a scheduled series with the White Sox. I don't believe the Yankees have any scheduled games vs. the Cubs next year.
MLB should have scheduled the Cubs against the Yankees for this, however, this will be part of a scheduled series with the White Sox. I don't believe the Yankees have any scheduled games vs. the Cubs next year.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on August 09, 2019, 03:37:43 PM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on August 09, 2019, 03:37:43 PM
MLB has done a horrific job marketing its stars. The problem is the bed they've made would mean short term pain for cutting off the Sox/Yankees machine, so they feel compelled to stick with it because it's the only thing making them money through their own shortsightedness.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on August 09, 2019, 03:44:41 PM
Post by: ET21 on August 09, 2019, 03:44:41 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on August 09, 2019, 03:31:40 PM
^ MLB needs a team that will draw fans. The Reds of today will not draw as many fans as the Yankees will. Now if this was the "Big Red Machine", we would be having a different conversation.
MLB should have scheduled the Cubs against the Yankees for this, however, this will be part of a scheduled series with the White Sox. I don't believe the Yankees have any scheduled games vs. the Cubs next year.
Pretty sure it was to re-enact the teams seen in the movie, mostly Yankees and a few White Sox. Cubs get enough primetime yearly
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on August 09, 2019, 03:58:10 PM
Post by: Big John on August 09, 2019, 03:58:10 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on August 09, 2019, 03:31:40 PMThey actually do: http://printableteamschedules.com/MLB/2020-chicago-cubs-schedule.php
I don't believe the Yankees have any scheduled games vs. the Cubs next year.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on August 09, 2019, 04:00:21 PM
Post by: amroad17 on August 09, 2019, 04:00:21 PM
Thanks, I did not check for this. That should be an exciting series!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 10, 2019, 12:18:03 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 10, 2019, 12:18:03 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on August 09, 2019, 03:31:40 PM
^ MLB needs a team that will draw fans. The Reds of today will not draw as many fans as the Yankees will. Now if this was the "Big Red Machine", we would be having a different conversation.
MLB should have scheduled the Cubs against the Yankees for this, however, this will be part of a scheduled series with the White Sox. I don't believe the Yankees have any scheduled games vs. the Cubs next year.
The Cubs weren't a central team in the movie. The White Sox were. If people will only tune in because it's the Cubs then they aren't really baseball fans and don't deserve to see a game like this.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on August 12, 2019, 09:01:07 AM
Post by: ET21 on August 12, 2019, 09:01:07 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 10, 2019, 12:18:03 PMQuote from: amroad17 on August 09, 2019, 03:31:40 PM
^ MLB needs a team that will draw fans. The Reds of today will not draw as many fans as the Yankees will. Now if this was the "Big Red Machine", we would be having a different conversation.
MLB should have scheduled the Cubs against the Yankees for this, however, this will be part of a scheduled series with the White Sox. I don't believe the Yankees have any scheduled games vs. the Cubs next year.
The Cubs weren't a central team in the movie. The White Sox were. If people will only tune in because it's the Cubs then they aren't really baseball fans and don't deserve to see a game like this.
^this
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: cjk374 on August 20, 2019, 07:52:14 AM
Post by: cjk374 on August 20, 2019, 07:52:14 AM
The New Orleans minor league team....the Baby Cakes...apparently will be moving to Wichita. The story below is an editorial about how local fans hated the name "Baby Cakes" vs the original name "Zephyrs". There is a link in the story about the move to Wichita.
https://www.nola.com/entertainment_life/article_3a716c62-c296-11e9-832a-1ff0fe5730c8.html
https://www.nola.com/entertainment_life/article_3a716c62-c296-11e9-832a-1ff0fe5730c8.html
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on September 10, 2019, 11:28:06 PM
Post by: Big John on September 10, 2019, 11:28:06 PM
Christian Yelich to miss the rest of the season with a shattered kneecap/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on September 10, 2019, 11:55:27 PM
Post by: Alps on September 10, 2019, 11:55:27 PM
Quote from: Big John on September 10, 2019, 11:28:06 PMwell he shouldn't have shattered his kneecap then
Christian Yelich to miss the rest of the season with a shattered kneecap/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tchafe1978 on September 11, 2019, 03:23:31 PM
Post by: tchafe1978 on September 11, 2019, 03:23:31 PM
Quote from: Alps on September 10, 2019, 11:55:27 PMQuote from: Big John on September 10, 2019, 11:28:06 PMwell he shouldn't have shattered his kneecap then
Christian Yelich to miss the rest of the season with a shattered kneecap/
I don't think he intentionally fouled a ball off his knee.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Rothman on September 11, 2019, 05:09:17 PM
Post by: Rothman on September 11, 2019, 05:09:17 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on September 11, 2019, 03:23:31 PMDebatable.Quote from: Alps on September 10, 2019, 11:55:27 PMQuote from: Big John on September 10, 2019, 11:28:06 PMwell he shouldn't have shattered his kneecap then
Christian Yelich to miss the rest of the season with a shattered kneecap/
I don't think he intentionally fouled a ball off his knee.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on September 19, 2019, 09:41:40 PM
Post by: kevinb1994 on September 19, 2019, 09:41:40 PM
And the Yanks are the AL East winners for the first time since 2012!
https://nypost.com/2019/09/19/yankees-clinch-first-al-east-title-since-2012-behind-brilliant-masahiro-tanaka/ (https://nypost.com/2019/09/19/yankees-clinch-first-al-east-title-since-2012-behind-brilliant-masahiro-tanaka/)
Seems like getting a AL East clinch two seasons ago has come back to haunt the Yanks, with the recent COVID (not the pandemic we have come to live with at the time I originally posted the above) outbreaks.
https://nypost.com/2019/09/19/yankees-clinch-first-al-east-title-since-2012-behind-brilliant-masahiro-tanaka/ (https://nypost.com/2019/09/19/yankees-clinch-first-al-east-title-since-2012-behind-brilliant-masahiro-tanaka/)
Seems like getting a AL East clinch two seasons ago has come back to haunt the Yanks, with the recent COVID (not the pandemic we have come to live with at the time I originally posted the above) outbreaks.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on September 26, 2019, 08:59:21 PM
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on September 26, 2019, 08:59:21 PM
Marty Brennaman is retiring after 46 years of broadcasting the Reds.
I feel old, grew up listening to Marty and Joe...
I feel old, grew up listening to Marty and Joe...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 27, 2019, 09:38:10 AM
Post by: Henry on September 27, 2019, 09:38:10 AM
For the first time since 2014, the Cubs won't be in the postseason. It's been a great run, and I'm so glad that I was able to see them win the whole thing three years ago and put that stupid Billy Goat Curse to rest, once and for all.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on September 27, 2019, 04:03:29 PM
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on September 27, 2019, 04:03:29 PM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on September 26, 2019, 08:59:21 PM
Marty Brennaman is retiring after 46 years of broadcasting the Reds.
I feel old, grew up listening to Marty and Joe...
Marty was the last broadcaster, I grew up with, to be on the air still.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 30, 2019, 09:27:49 AM
Post by: Henry on September 30, 2019, 09:27:49 AM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on September 27, 2019, 04:03:29 PMAt least you were lucky to have had him on the air from childhood to now. It was a sad time for me when Cubs broadcasters Jack Brickhouse and Harry Caray died. I often imagine the latter saying his catchphrase HOLY COW!!! THE CUBS WIN THE WORLD SERIES!!! when I think back to how it all ended in 2016.Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on September 26, 2019, 08:59:21 PM
Marty Brennaman is retiring after 46 years of broadcasting the Reds.
I feel old, grew up listening to Marty and Joe...
Marty was the last broadcaster, I grew up with, to be on the air still.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 01, 2019, 01:21:59 PM
Post by: Desert Man on October 01, 2019, 01:21:59 PM
2019 Major League Baseball postseason. Sadly, the Cubs and Indians (71 years without a world series title) not in the postseason. The Cubs remember their year 2016, comparable to the White Sox crosstown in 2005 and a year earlier the Red Sox, waiting for a whole lifetime to win the world series. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtDTqF74nRs
Last world series plays from 1980-2016. The Dodgers lost twice in 2017-18 (not good to look at). The Phillies 1980 (91 years) and Cubs 2016 (108) were the longest waits in baseball history for their teams to win the world series. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkDMn2ddH9U
Last world series plays from 1980-2016. The Dodgers lost twice in 2017-18 (not good to look at). The Phillies 1980 (91 years) and Cubs 2016 (108) were the longest waits in baseball history for their teams to win the world series. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkDMn2ddH9U
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: MNHighwayMan on October 01, 2019, 05:19:33 PM
Post by: MNHighwayMan on October 01, 2019, 05:19:33 PM
Quote from: Desert Man on October 01, 2019, 01:21:59 PM
2019 Major League Baseball postseason. Sadly, the Cubs and Indians (71 years without a world series title) not in the postseason.
I'm hard up for feeling sad about the latter not making the post-season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on October 02, 2019, 04:38:15 AM
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on October 02, 2019, 04:38:15 AM
Quote from: Desert Man on October 01, 2019, 01:21:59 PM
Last world series plays from 1980-2016. The Dodgers lost twice in 2017-18 (not good to look at). The Phillies 1980 (91 years) and Cubs 2016 (108) were the longest waits in baseball history for their teams to win the world series.
The first World Series was in 1903, so the Phillies "only" had to wait 77 years, not 91. That is shorter than both White Sox (87 years) and Red Sox (85 years) droughts.
Of all teams that have reached postseason, I'm picking the one who has been the longest since they last won the World Series (or its creation, if they have never won one) to win it, i.e. the Washington Nationals, which has even never been to a World Series at all. I'm pretty sure they (as the Montreal Expos) would have won in 1994 had the season not ended abruptly halfway due to that strike that ultimately caused them to move to Washington.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Verlanka on October 02, 2019, 05:22:03 AM
Post by: Verlanka on October 02, 2019, 05:22:03 AM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on October 02, 2019, 04:38:15 AMWait, so the Expos moved because of the strike?
I'm pretty sure they (as the Montreal Expos) would have won in 1994 had the season not ended abruptly halfway due to that strike that ultimately caused them to move to Washington.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: thspfc on October 02, 2019, 08:24:09 AM
Post by: thspfc on October 02, 2019, 08:24:09 AM
Well, the Brewers played 162 games to attempt to make the playoffs. Once they did, it was over in a few hours.
That's baseball.
That's baseball.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 02, 2019, 09:10:25 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 02, 2019, 09:10:25 AM
Quote from: Verlanka on October 02, 2019, 05:22:03 AMQuote from: CNGL-Leudimin on October 02, 2019, 04:38:15 AMWait, so the Expos moved because of the strike?
I'm pretty sure they (as the Montreal Expos) would have won in 1994 had the season not ended abruptly halfway due to that strike that ultimately caused them to move to Washington.
I wouldn't say it was the only reason but it definitely accelerated the decline in interest and attendance.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 03, 2019, 12:41:17 AM
Post by: Alps on October 03, 2019, 12:41:17 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 02, 2019, 09:10:25 AM-accelerated +caused. That was a passionate city until their best season was taken away and the players were sold off.Quote from: Verlanka on October 02, 2019, 05:22:03 AMQuote from: CNGL-Leudimin on October 02, 2019, 04:38:15 AMWait, so the Expos moved because of the strike?
I'm pretty sure they (as the Montreal Expos) would have won in 1994 had the season not ended abruptly halfway due to that strike that ultimately caused them to move to Washington.
I wouldn't say it was the only reason but it definitely accelerated the decline in interest and attendance.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 03, 2019, 07:35:48 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 03, 2019, 07:35:48 AM
16 years since Moneyball was published and Billy Beane still hasn't won a pennant. Most overrated GM in the history of baseball.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 03, 2019, 09:25:18 AM
Post by: Henry on October 03, 2019, 09:25:18 AM
Since I can't have the Cubs nor the Mariners in the postseason, I'll be rooting for the Dodgers to win their first World Series championship in 31 years. That Kirk Gibson homer from Game 1 of the '88 Fall Classic was my first Dodgers memory since moving to L.A. that year.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 03, 2019, 01:05:54 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 03, 2019, 01:05:54 PM
Unlike last year where my horse won the race, I really don't care who wins this year, so long as it is not the Yankees.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Mark68 on October 03, 2019, 02:31:08 PM
Post by: Mark68 on October 03, 2019, 02:31:08 PM
I'm in the no Dodgers/no Yankees camp.
I'm actually thinking it'll be Braves/Astros.
I'm proud of the fact that the Dodgers have not won the World Series since 14 years before my team did so. Suck it, Dodger fan!
I'm actually thinking it'll be Braves/Astros.
I'm proud of the fact that the Dodgers have not won the World Series since 14 years before my team did so. Suck it, Dodger fan!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 03, 2019, 11:36:57 PM
Post by: Alps on October 03, 2019, 11:36:57 PM
I really don't care who wins this year, so long as it's the Yankees.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 04, 2019, 07:59:55 AM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 04, 2019, 07:59:55 AM
I wonder if the song "Gloria" might bring some luck for the Cardinals just like it did for the Blues last Spring? ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KEVIN_224 on October 04, 2019, 02:06:54 PM
Post by: KEVIN_224 on October 04, 2019, 02:06:54 PM
FOX wants the Yankees and Dodgers (NY and LA), but they won't obviously sat that out loud.
I've been a Yankees fan since 1981, so one half of the World Series is a no-brainer. Many rematches are possible:
NY vs Atlanta - 1996 and 1999
NY vs Los Angeles - 1977, 1978 and 1981
Have the Dodgers in the World Series and see them lose for the third year in a row? ;)
I've been a Yankees fan since 1981, so one half of the World Series is a no-brainer. Many rematches are possible:
NY vs Atlanta - 1996 and 1999
NY vs Los Angeles - 1977, 1978 and 1981
Have the Dodgers in the World Series and see them lose for the third year in a row? ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on October 04, 2019, 02:09:50 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on October 04, 2019, 02:09:50 PM
Last night someone at Turner Sports lost track of what round this is. They kept using this graphic until about the fifth inning.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191004/1f89e039179c264390225037cb6ca42d.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191004/1f89e039179c264390225037cb6ca42d.jpg)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Beltway on October 06, 2019, 02:55:06 PM
Post by: Beltway on October 06, 2019, 02:55:06 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 03, 2019, 11:36:57 PMI was a big Yankee fan in the 1960s when growing up in Florida. No MLB team within a thousand miles back then. Exciting team loaded with future hall-of-famers (Mantle, Maris, Ford, Berra, etc.).
I really don't care who wins this year, so long as it's the Yankees.
Now it is a whole different team and they have won more than enough pennants and WS, and I want to see other teams winning it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 06, 2019, 03:43:47 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 06, 2019, 03:43:47 PM
Been following the Red Sox since 1984, so the Yankees have been, are, and will always be the enemy. It was awful watching the 4 in 5 year run from 96-00, and I was sick for days after Aaron F Boone. Coming back from 3-0 in 2004 felt like Bastille Day in that we finally overthrew our oppressors. Like the US beating the Russians in 80, with the parallel being that we still had to play one more game/series to cement our legacy.
Am I surprised the Yankees are dominating the Twins? No. The Twins are their female dogs.
Am I surprised the Yankees are dominating the Twins? No. The Twins are their female dogs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Rothman on October 06, 2019, 04:45:50 PM
Post by: Rothman on October 06, 2019, 04:45:50 PM
As a Red Sox fan, when the Yankees start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were this century.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 06, 2019, 10:15:10 PM
Post by: Alps on October 06, 2019, 10:15:10 PM
All of you Sux fans are why I'm enjoying this postseason while you cry in your Sam Adamses.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 07, 2019, 07:37:52 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 07, 2019, 07:37:52 AM
Quote from: Rothman on October 06, 2019, 04:45:50 PM
As a Red Sox fan, when the Yankees start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were this century.
As a fan of any other team, when Red Sox fans start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were without David Ortiz on steroids.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Rothman on October 07, 2019, 07:54:43 AM
Post by: Rothman on October 07, 2019, 07:54:43 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 07, 2019, 07:37:52 AMPfft. What player wasn't on steroids?Quote from: Rothman on October 06, 2019, 04:45:50 PM
As a Red Sox fan, when the Yankees start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were this century.
As a fan of any other team, when Red Sox fans start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were without David Ortiz on steroids.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 07, 2019, 08:46:11 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 07, 2019, 08:46:11 AM
Quote from: Rothman on October 07, 2019, 07:54:43 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 07, 2019, 07:37:52 AMPfft. What player wasn't on steroids?Quote from: Rothman on October 06, 2019, 04:45:50 PM
As a Red Sox fan, when the Yankees start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were this century.
As a fan of any other team, when Red Sox fans start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were without David Ortiz on steroids.
Frank Thomas, for one.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Rothman on October 07, 2019, 09:53:18 AM
Post by: Rothman on October 07, 2019, 09:53:18 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 07, 2019, 08:46:11 AMPfft. Says him. :DQuote from: Rothman on October 07, 2019, 07:54:43 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 07, 2019, 07:37:52 AMPfft. What player wasn't on steroids?Quote from: Rothman on October 06, 2019, 04:45:50 PM
As a Red Sox fan, when the Yankees start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were this century.
As a fan of any other team, when Red Sox fans start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were without David Ortiz on steroids.
Frank Thomas, for one.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KEVIN_224 on October 07, 2019, 03:35:55 PM
Post by: KEVIN_224 on October 07, 2019, 03:35:55 PM
The Yankees won 7 World Series in my lifetime, with 5 of them as an adult (I'm 48). We've been waiting for nearly 10 years now. It was brutal living in Old Orchard Beach, ME from 1985 to 1987. The Red Sox nearly won the 1986 World Series. The Patriots were in Super Bowl XX. The Celtics won their 16th title in 1986. I lost how many times I heard "But you live in New England...". The Yankees are the only New York market team I've ever loved.
I was actually a Miami Dolphins fan for 36 years, but finally gave up on them this year. I grew tired of them having no Super Bowl appearances since XIX and not winning one since VIII. The Patriots, who are 5-0 at this writing, are "good" only because their schedule (except for the Buffalo Bills) is softer than cotton candy. The combined record of their opponents to now is 5-18. I also simply got fed up living in that team's shadow.
I was actually a Miami Dolphins fan for 36 years, but finally gave up on them this year. I grew tired of them having no Super Bowl appearances since XIX and not winning one since VIII. The Patriots, who are 5-0 at this writing, are "good" only because their schedule (except for the Buffalo Bills) is softer than cotton candy. The combined record of their opponents to now is 5-18. I also simply got fed up living in that team's shadow.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 07, 2019, 04:03:45 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 07, 2019, 04:03:45 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 07, 2019, 09:53:18 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 07, 2019, 08:46:11 AMPfft. Says him. :DQuote from: Rothman on October 07, 2019, 07:54:43 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 07, 2019, 07:37:52 AMPfft. What player wasn't on steroids?Quote from: Rothman on October 06, 2019, 04:45:50 PM
As a Red Sox fan, when the Yankees start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were this century.
As a fan of any other team, when Red Sox fans start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were without David Ortiz on steroids.
Frank Thomas, for one.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/758294-mlb-steroids-era-the-best-hitters-who-are-believed-not-to-have-juiced
And Bleacher Report. And plenty of others.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Rothman on October 07, 2019, 05:09:26 PM
Post by: Rothman on October 07, 2019, 05:09:26 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 07, 2019, 04:03:45 PMThat title says it all. "Believed to Have Not Juiced" rather than "Players Who Did Not Juice" speaks volumes. :DQuote from: Rothman on October 07, 2019, 09:53:18 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 07, 2019, 08:46:11 AMPfft. Says him. :DQuote from: Rothman on October 07, 2019, 07:54:43 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 07, 2019, 07:37:52 AMPfft. What player wasn't on steroids?Quote from: Rothman on October 06, 2019, 04:45:50 PM
As a Red Sox fan, when the Yankees start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were this century.
As a fan of any other team, when Red Sox fans start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were without David Ortiz on steroids.
Frank Thomas, for one.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/758294-mlb-steroids-era-the-best-hitters-who-are-believed-not-to-have-juiced
And Bleacher Report. And plenty of others.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 07, 2019, 05:11:47 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 07, 2019, 05:11:47 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 07, 2019, 05:09:26 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 07, 2019, 04:03:45 PMThat title says it all. "Believed to Have Not Juiced" rather than "Players Who Did Not Juice" speaks volumes. :DQuote from: Rothman on October 07, 2019, 09:53:18 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 07, 2019, 08:46:11 AMPfft. Says him. :DQuote from: Rothman on October 07, 2019, 07:54:43 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 07, 2019, 07:37:52 AMPfft. What player wasn't on steroids?Quote from: Rothman on October 06, 2019, 04:45:50 PM
As a Red Sox fan, when the Yankees start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were this century.
As a fan of any other team, when Red Sox fans start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were without David Ortiz on steroids.
Frank Thomas, for one.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/758294-mlb-steroids-era-the-best-hitters-who-are-believed-not-to-have-juiced
And Bleacher Report. And plenty of others.
Yes, it means that reasonable people believe it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Rothman on October 07, 2019, 05:12:57 PM
Post by: Rothman on October 07, 2019, 05:12:57 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 07, 2019, 05:11:47 PMNah. It means there is no guarantee they didn't juice up.Quote from: Rothman on October 07, 2019, 05:09:26 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 07, 2019, 04:03:45 PMThat title says it all. "Believed to Have Not Juiced" rather than "Players Who Did Not Juice" speaks volumes. :DQuote from: Rothman on October 07, 2019, 09:53:18 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 07, 2019, 08:46:11 AMPfft. Says him. :DQuote from: Rothman on October 07, 2019, 07:54:43 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 07, 2019, 07:37:52 AMPfft. What player wasn't on steroids?Quote from: Rothman on October 06, 2019, 04:45:50 PM
As a Red Sox fan, when the Yankees start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were this century.
As a fan of any other team, when Red Sox fans start crowing about their WS wins, I always ask how many of them were without David Ortiz on steroids.
Frank Thomas, for one.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/758294-mlb-steroids-era-the-best-hitters-who-are-believed-not-to-have-juiced
And Bleacher Report. And plenty of others.
Yes, it means that reasonable people believe it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on October 10, 2019, 09:12:46 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on October 10, 2019, 09:12:46 AM
Short night's sleep. Totally worth it.
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Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on October 10, 2019, 09:15:51 AM
Post by: ET21 on October 10, 2019, 09:15:51 AM
Playoff Kershaw showed up again :-D :-D
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 10, 2019, 09:54:41 AM
Post by: Henry on October 10, 2019, 09:54:41 AM
As they say, you can't script October. I'm going with the Nationals to beat the Cardinals in the NLCS, and whoever wins tonight's ALDS Game 5 (Rays or Astros) to beat the Yankees in the ALCS.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 10, 2019, 11:36:48 AM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 10, 2019, 11:36:48 AM
Joe Kelly and Dave Roberts will always be loved in Boston. Joe Kelly and Dave Roberts will be pariahs in LA. What Roberts did last night equates to Grady Little for the Red Sox in 2003 by leaving Pedro in.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: nexus73 on October 10, 2019, 03:16:51 PM
Post by: nexus73 on October 10, 2019, 03:16:51 PM
Quote from: ET21 on October 10, 2019, 09:15:51 AM
Playoff Kershaw showed up again :-D :-D
....ain't that the truth!
Hard to believe when the Dodgers set a franchise record for wins in a regular season, that they would fall apart like a cheap suit to Washington. Remember when the Mariners set a record for most wins in the regular season by any MLB team? They lost in the first round of playoffs.
Rick
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: akotchi on October 10, 2019, 03:29:38 PM
Post by: akotchi on October 10, 2019, 03:29:38 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on October 10, 2019, 03:16:51 PMSecond round. They won their ALDS against, I think, Cleveland.Quote from: ET21 on October 10, 2019, 09:15:51 AM
Playoff Kershaw showed up again :-D :-D
....ain't that the truth!
Hard to believe when the Dodgers set a franchise record for wins in a regular season, that they would fall apart like a cheap suit to Washington. Remember when the Mariners set a record for most wins in the regular season by any MLB team? They lost in the first round of playoffs.
Rick
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: nexus73 on October 10, 2019, 03:30:41 PM
Post by: nexus73 on October 10, 2019, 03:30:41 PM
Quote from: akotchi on October 10, 2019, 03:29:38 PMQuote from: nexus73 on October 10, 2019, 03:16:51 PMSecond round. They won their ALDS against, I think, Cleveland.Quote from: ET21 on October 10, 2019, 09:15:51 AM
Playoff Kershaw showed up again :-D :-D
....ain't that the truth!
Hard to believe when the Dodgers set a franchise record for wins in a regular season, that they would fall apart like a cheap suit to Washington. Remember when the Mariners set a record for most wins in the regular season by any MLB team? They lost in the first round of playoffs.
Rick
I thought different. Sorry!
Rick
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 11, 2019, 12:44:33 AM
Post by: Alps on October 11, 2019, 12:44:33 AM
Quote from: Henry on October 10, 2019, 09:54:41 AMFeel the hate. Let it flow within you. Yankees/Nationals.
As they say, you can't script October. I'm going with the Nationals to beat the Cardinals in the NLCS, and whoever wins tonight's ALDS Game 5 (Rays or Astros) to beat the Yankees in the ALCS.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 12, 2019, 10:28:24 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 12, 2019, 10:28:24 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 11, 2019, 12:44:33 AMQuote from: Henry on October 10, 2019, 09:54:41 AMFeel the hate. Let it flow within you. Yankees/Nationals.
As they say, you can't script October. I'm going with the Nationals to beat the Cardinals in the NLCS, and whoever wins tonight's ALDS Game 5 (Rays or Astros) to beat the Yankees in the ALCS.
I'd actually like to see Les Nats get there after 50 years of never making it as a franchise. However, the other team that wears pinstripes, has cloven hooves, and rooting for them is like rooting for the house in Blackjack, The Wicked Witch of the West to conquer Oz, or Bernie Madoff to win the lottery, that is another story.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 12, 2019, 11:04:30 PM
Post by: Alps on October 12, 2019, 11:04:30 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on October 12, 2019, 10:28:24 PMI find it odd that anyone in Cheaters* fan territory can accuse someone else of being evil.Quote from: Alps on October 11, 2019, 12:44:33 AMQuote from: Henry on October 10, 2019, 09:54:41 AMFeel the hate. Let it flow within you. Yankees/Nationals.
As they say, you can't script October. I'm going with the Nationals to beat the Cardinals in the NLCS, and whoever wins tonight's ALDS Game 5 (Rays or Astros) to beat the Yankees in the ALCS.
I'd actually like to see Les Nats get there after 50 years of never making it as a franchise. However, the other team that wears pinstripes, has cloven hooves, and rooting for them is like rooting for the house in Blackjack, The Wicked Witch of the West to conquer Oz, or Bernie Madoff to win the lottery, that is another story.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kurumi on October 16, 2019, 12:28:20 AM
Post by: kurumi on October 16, 2019, 12:28:20 AM
Congrats to the Nats on their first pennant!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: US 89 on October 16, 2019, 12:32:54 AM
Post by: US 89 on October 16, 2019, 12:32:54 AM
Quote from: kurumi on October 16, 2019, 12:28:20 AM
Congrats to the Nats on their first pennant!
I will be rooting for the Nats in the World Series no matter who wins the ALCS, but especially if it’s the Yankees. (And before you ask, no, I’m not a Red Sox fan either.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on October 16, 2019, 07:17:06 AM
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on October 16, 2019, 07:17:06 AM
With the Nationals making it to the World Series for the first time ever, the Mariners become the only team to never have reached them.
Like most of you, I'll be rooting for the Nats. The Yankees have too many titles, and the Astros won recently.
Like most of you, I'll be rooting for the Nats. The Yankees have too many titles, and the Astros won recently.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: nexus73 on October 16, 2019, 08:02:27 AM
Post by: nexus73 on October 16, 2019, 08:02:27 AM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on October 16, 2019, 07:17:06 AM
With the Nationals making it to the World Series for the first time ever, the Mariners become the only team to never have reached them.
Like most of you, I'll be rooting for the Nats. The Yankees have too many titles, and the Astros won recently.
As was said about the Washington Senators, "First In War, First In Peace and Last In The American League!". Between them and the USFL's Washington Federals, there are some teams which can never win in certain cities. At least Seattle set a record for regular season wins. Washington MLB has been as cursed an enterprise as there is so that would make them the ultimate underdog.
I'll be rooting for them!
Rick
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 16, 2019, 08:55:37 AM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 16, 2019, 08:55:37 AM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on October 16, 2019, 07:17:06 AM
With the Nationals making it to the World Series for the first time ever, the Mariners become the only team to never have reached them.
Like most of you, I'll be rooting for the Nats. The Yankees have too many titles, and the Astros won recently.
Too bad that taste of the Expos tanking their way out of Montreal still lingers. Suffice to say the Nationals are a long way from all that contraction talk of a decade and a half ago. At least the Cardinals didn't make it, that would have been boring to see them in the World Series again.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 16, 2019, 10:19:58 AM
Post by: Henry on October 16, 2019, 10:19:58 AM
What a difference 25 years makes! After that disastrous ending to the 1994 season (with a strike that wiped out the entire postseason and World Series), a contraction that nearly ended their existence, a big move across the border and the in-between seasons that ranged from mediocre to downright disappointing, the Expos-turned-Nationals have redeemed themselves in a big way with their first NL pennant. Next, they'll face the monumental task of ending their city's 95-year championship drought, no matter who their opponent is, but if they perform as well as they did against the Cardinals (whom I absolutely despise with a passion), then they have a very good shot at it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 16, 2019, 11:15:08 AM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 16, 2019, 11:15:08 AM
Quote from: Henry on October 16, 2019, 10:19:58 AM
What a difference 25 years makes! After that disastrous ending to the 1994 season (with a strike that wiped out the entire postseason and World Series), a contraction that nearly ended their existence, a big move across the border and the in-between seasons that ranged from mediocre to downright disappointing, the Expos-turned-Nationals have redeemed themselves in a big way with their first NL pennant. Next, they'll face the monumental task of ending their city's 95-year championship drought, no matter who their opponent is, but if they perform as well as they did against the Cardinals (whom I absolutely despise with a passion), then they have a very good shot at it.
The worst thing that probably can happen is the ALCS going long and the Nationals get cold. The ALCS might have a rain out today, having a long layoff doesn't usually doesn't bode well for maintaining a hot streak.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 16, 2019, 03:59:11 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 16, 2019, 03:59:11 PM
Josh Hader's choke job in the Wild Card tastes less acrid now.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 16, 2019, 11:49:19 PM
Post by: Alps on October 16, 2019, 11:49:19 PM
I'm rooting for the Expos. Not the Nationals though.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 17, 2019, 08:27:33 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 17, 2019, 08:27:33 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 16, 2019, 11:15:08 AMQuote from: Henry on October 16, 2019, 10:19:58 AM
What a difference 25 years makes! After that disastrous ending to the 1994 season (with a strike that wiped out the entire postseason and World Series), a contraction that nearly ended their existence, a big move across the border and the in-between seasons that ranged from mediocre to downright disappointing, the Expos-turned-Nationals have redeemed themselves in a big way with their first NL pennant. Next, they'll face the monumental task of ending their city's 95-year championship drought, no matter who their opponent is, but if they perform as well as they did against the Cardinals (whom I absolutely despise with a passion), then they have a very good shot at it.
The worst thing that probably can happen is the ALCS going long and the Nationals get cold. The ALCS might have a rain out today, having a long layoff doesn't usually doesn't bode well for maintaining a hot streak.
The World Series starts on the same day regardless of how long each series goes, unless one of them has more than 2 rainouts.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 17, 2019, 11:01:35 AM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 17, 2019, 11:01:35 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 16, 2019, 11:15:08 AMQuote from: Henry on October 16, 2019, 10:19:58 AM
What a difference 25 years makes! After that disastrous ending to the 1994 season (with a strike that wiped out the entire postseason and World Series), a contraction that nearly ended their existence, a big move across the border and the in-between seasons that ranged from mediocre to downright disappointing, the Expos-turned-Nationals have redeemed themselves in a big way with their first NL pennant. Next, they'll face the monumental task of ending their city's 95-year championship drought, no matter who their opponent is, but if they perform as well as they did against the Cardinals (whom I absolutely despise with a passion), then they have a very good shot at it.
The worst thing that probably can happen is the ALCS going long and the Nationals get cold. The ALCS might have a rain out today, having a long layoff doesn't usually doesn't bode well for maintaining a hot streak.
Absolutely true. Look at the 07 Rockies who tore through the Division Series and NLCS and sat there while the Red Sox/Indians ALCS went the full 7. Sox swept the Rockies in the World Series and it wasn't really close (ok, but still better than the Cards effort against the Nats).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: spooky on October 17, 2019, 11:29:47 AM
Post by: spooky on October 17, 2019, 11:29:47 AM
Quote from: Alps on October 16, 2019, 11:49:19 PM
I'm rooting for the Expos. Not the Nationals though.
Vive Les Expos!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Mark68 on October 17, 2019, 01:34:59 PM
Post by: Mark68 on October 17, 2019, 01:34:59 PM
Quote from: US 89 on October 16, 2019, 12:32:54 AMQuote from: kurumi on October 16, 2019, 12:28:20 AM
Congrats to the Nats on their first pennant!
I will be rooting for the Nats in the World Series no matter who wins the ALCS, but especially if it's the Yankees. (And before you ask, no, I'm not a Red Sox fan either.)
As will I.
I think all right-thinking baseball fans who are not in New York or from New York should loathe the Yankees.
:bigass:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 17, 2019, 06:54:54 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 17, 2019, 06:54:54 PM
I saw this one in another forum.
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2019-nlcs-3-st-louis-cardinals-vs-wc1-washington-nationals-wsh-wins-4-0.2696275/page-8#post-165492721 However, I think Bud Selig shouldn't get all the credit, Donald Fehr played a part too. >_<
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EG-AL-bXYAUSz7Y?format=jpg)
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2019-nlcs-3-st-louis-cardinals-vs-wc1-washington-nationals-wsh-wins-4-0.2696275/page-8#post-165492721 However, I think Bud Selig shouldn't get all the credit, Donald Fehr played a part too. >_<
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Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 18, 2019, 12:36:26 AM
Post by: Alps on October 18, 2019, 12:36:26 AM
Quote from: Mark68 on October 17, 2019, 01:34:59 PMMost of them shouldn't care. I don't care about the Lakers, or Cowboys, or [name popular franchise]. I hate my teams' rivals.Quote from: US 89 on October 16, 2019, 12:32:54 AMQuote from: kurumi on October 16, 2019, 12:28:20 AM
Congrats to the Nats on their first pennant!
I will be rooting for the Nats in the World Series no matter who wins the ALCS, but especially if it's the Yankees. (And before you ask, no, I'm not a Red Sox fan either.)
As will I.
I think all right-thinking baseball fans who are not in New York or from New York should loathe the Yankees.
:bigass:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 18, 2019, 01:10:03 AM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 18, 2019, 01:10:03 AM
Quote from: Alps on October 18, 2019, 12:36:26 AMQuote from: Mark68 on October 17, 2019, 01:34:59 PMMost of them shouldn't care. I don't care about the Lakers, or Cowboys, or [name popular franchise]. I hate my teams' rivals.Quote from: US 89 on October 16, 2019, 12:32:54 AMQuote from: kurumi on October 16, 2019, 12:28:20 AM
Congrats to the Nats on their first pennant!
I will be rooting for the Nats in the World Series no matter who wins the ALCS, but especially if it's the Yankees. (And before you ask, no, I'm not a Red Sox fan either.)
As will I.
I think all right-thinking baseball fans who are not in New York or from New York should loathe the Yankees.
:bigass:
When my team isn't involved I usually just root for teams that haven't been a championship series or game in a long time. Personally I find a lot of the marque teams in sports to be more boring than something I hate.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 20, 2019, 08:03:49 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 20, 2019, 08:03:49 PM
The Astros won the American League pennant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8HRUTUxKw0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8HRUTUxKw0
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kendancy66 on October 20, 2019, 08:52:10 PM
Post by: kendancy66 on October 20, 2019, 08:52:10 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 16, 2019, 11:15:08 AMQuote from: Henry on October 16, 2019, 10:19:58 AM
What a difference 25 years makes! After that disastrous ending to the 1994 season (with a strike that wiped out the entire postseason and World Series), a contraction that nearly ended their existence, a big move across the border and the in-between seasons that ranged from mediocre to downright disappointing, the Expos-turned-Nationals have redeemed themselves in a big way with their first NL pennant. Next, they'll face the monumental task of ending their city's 95-year championship drought, no matter who their opponent is, but if they perform as well as they did against the Cardinals (whom I absolutely despise with a passion), then they have a very good shot at it.
The worst thing that probably can happen is the ALCS going long and the Nationals get cold. The ALCS might have a rain out today, having a long layoff doesn't usually doesn't bode well for maintaining a hot streak.
There was interesting statistic that revealed that 7 NLCS champions have "swept". They are only 1 and 6 in the world series. The only sweep winners are the 1995 Atlanta Braves
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on October 20, 2019, 10:52:43 PM
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on October 20, 2019, 10:52:43 PM
Quote from: kendancy66 on October 20, 2019, 08:52:10 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on October 16, 2019, 11:15:08 AMQuote from: Henry on October 16, 2019, 10:19:58 AM
What a difference 25 years makes! After that disastrous ending to the 1994 season (with a strike that wiped out the entire postseason and World Series), a contraction that nearly ended their existence, a big move across the border and the in-between seasons that ranged from mediocre to downright disappointing, the Expos-turned-Nationals have redeemed themselves in a big way with their first NL pennant. Next, they'll face the monumental task of ending their city's 95-year championship drought, no matter who their opponent is, but if they perform as well as they did against the Cardinals (whom I absolutely despise with a passion), then they have a very good shot at it.
The worst thing that probably can happen is the ALCS going long and the Nationals get cold. The ALCS might have a rain out today, having a long layoff doesn't usually doesn't bode well for maintaining a hot streak.
There was interesting statistic that revealed that 7 NLCS champions have "swept". They are only 1 and 6 in the world series. The only sweep winners are the 1995 Atlanta Braves
They closed out 8-2 against the state of Ohio. (Cincy in the LCS, Cleveland in the World Series)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 21, 2019, 07:48:05 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 21, 2019, 07:48:05 AM
The American League has won every World Series in which the Astros have participated.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 21, 2019, 07:53:35 AM
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 21, 2019, 07:53:35 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 21, 2019, 07:48:05 AM
The American League has won every World Series in which the Astros have participated.
LOL
Maybe it'll finally work out for them this time!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 21, 2019, 11:10:53 AM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 21, 2019, 11:10:53 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 21, 2019, 07:53:35 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 21, 2019, 07:48:05 AMLOL
The American League has won every World Series in which the Astros have participated.
Maybe it'll finally work out for them this time!
Didn't the Astron won a World Series in 2017 when they moved from the National League to the American League?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 21, 2019, 12:37:03 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 21, 2019, 12:37:03 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on October 21, 2019, 11:10:53 AMQuote from: jeffandnicole on October 21, 2019, 07:53:35 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 21, 2019, 07:48:05 AMLOL
The American League has won every World Series in which the Astros have participated.
Maybe it'll finally work out for them this time!
Didn't the Astron won a World Series in 2017 when they moved from the National League to the American League?
They did, so the American League is 2-0 in their World Series appearances.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on October 21, 2019, 03:29:14 PM
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on October 21, 2019, 03:29:14 PM
Well, at least the Yankees aren't in the World Series. Regardless of that, since the Astros won recently, I'm still rooting for the Nationals (or as those who got stuck in 2004 say, the Expos) to win it all.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 21, 2019, 03:53:37 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 21, 2019, 03:53:37 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48938048467_ebc16633f3.jpg)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Mark68 on October 21, 2019, 04:06:36 PM
Post by: Mark68 on October 21, 2019, 04:06:36 PM
I'm rooting for the Expos to beat the Colt .45s.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on October 21, 2019, 04:24:06 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on October 21, 2019, 04:24:06 PM
Quote from: Mark68 on October 21, 2019, 04:06:36 PM
I'm rooting for the Expos to beat the Colt .45s.
Basically a generalization of "the pen is mightier than the sword".
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: nexus73 on October 21, 2019, 05:19:43 PM
Post by: nexus73 on October 21, 2019, 05:19:43 PM
Quote from: Mark68 on October 21, 2019, 04:06:36 PM
I'm rooting for the Expos to beat the Colt .45s.
...and in an alternate universe, the Texans are in Dallas while the Titans are in NYC. Cleveland's got a Super Bowl title courtesy of the Rams too! They beat the Oilers, who finally did not have to face the Steagles en route to the AFC championship.
Oh, don't forget all the basketball titles from the Land Of 10,000 Lakes...LOL!
Rick
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 21, 2019, 10:45:49 PM
Post by: Alps on October 21, 2019, 10:45:49 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on October 21, 2019, 03:53:37 PMAngels aren't in this one. But every time the Red Sox win, a devil gets its horns...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48938048467_ebc16633f3.jpg)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Beltway on October 21, 2019, 11:25:35 PM
Post by: Beltway on October 21, 2019, 11:25:35 PM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on October 21, 2019, 03:29:14 PMYeah, thank goodness, they've been in more than their share in the past.
Well, at least the Yankees aren't in the World Series.
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on October 21, 2019, 03:29:14 PMI'll root for the Nationals, after all they are the local team for me.
Regardless of that, since the Astros won recently, I'm still rooting for the Nationals (or as those who got stuck in 2004 say, the Expos) to win it all.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Beltway on October 21, 2019, 11:27:16 PM
Post by: Beltway on October 21, 2019, 11:27:16 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 21, 2019, 10:45:49 PMSame goes for the Pats ...
Angels aren't in this one. But every time the Red Sox win, a devil gets its horns...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 21, 2019, 11:51:04 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 21, 2019, 11:51:04 PM
My wife is rooting for the Nationals, I kind of find doing so irksome because of the whole Expos debacle. Both teams have former Tigers starters, so really all I care about is seeing a competitive series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kurumi on October 22, 2019, 02:13:41 AM
Post by: kurumi on October 22, 2019, 02:13:41 AM
In the area of nonsense stats (e.g. "How can Tom Brady be the GOAT when he has only won 2 wildcard playoff games in his career!") I wondered if the Yankees had lost more World Serieseses than any other team. Not as of 2017; NYY are 27-13, while LAD are now 6-14. The historical NY teams (Yanks, Dodgers, Giants) are 1-2-3 in WS losses simply because they are also 1-2-3 in WS games played. Collectively: 80 series, 41 wins, 39 losses. (Team #4 with 19 appearances: the Cards at 11-8.)
The Sox have a better W/L percentage (9-4, .692) than the Yankees; but the Pirates (5-2, .714) do even better, and the Blue Jays and Marlins tie for 2-0 each in WS appearances: best record for multiple appearances.
After this November, the only MLB team to have never appeared in the WS: the Seattle Mariners.
(source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Series_champions)
The Sox have a better W/L percentage (9-4, .692) than the Yankees; but the Pirates (5-2, .714) do even better, and the Blue Jays and Marlins tie for 2-0 each in WS appearances: best record for multiple appearances.
After this November, the only MLB team to have never appeared in the WS: the Seattle Mariners.
(source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Series_champions)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: nexus73 on October 22, 2019, 09:24:57 AM
Post by: nexus73 on October 22, 2019, 09:24:57 AM
Quote from: kurumi on October 22, 2019, 02:13:41 AM
In the area of nonsense stats (e.g. "How can Tom Brady be the GOAT when he has only won 2 wildcard playoff games in his career!") I wondered if the Yankees had lost more World Serieseses than any other team. Not as of 2017; NYY are 27-13, while LAD are now 6-14. The historical NY teams (Yanks, Dodgers, Giants) are 1-2-3 in WS losses simply because they are also 1-2-3 in WS games played. Collectively: 80 series, 41 wins, 39 losses. (Team #4 with 19 appearances: the Cards at 11-8.)
The Sox have a better W/L percentage (9-4, .692) than the Yankees; but the Pirates (5-2, .714) do even better, and the Blue Jays and Marlins tie for 2-0 each in WS appearances: best record for multiple appearances.
After this November, the only MLB team to have never appeared in the WS: the Seattle Mariners.
(source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Series_champions)
...and of course who holds the record for most regular season wins? The Mariners...LOL!
Talk about being a stats king!
Rick
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on October 22, 2019, 05:01:33 PM
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on October 22, 2019, 05:01:33 PM
Quote from: kurumi on October 22, 2019, 02:13:41 AM
After this November, the only MLB team to have never appeared in the WS: the Seattle Mariners.
(source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Series_champions)
Already noted by me when the Nationals qualified for the World Series:
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on October 16, 2019, 07:17:06 AM
With the Nationals making it to the World Series for the first time ever, the Mariners become the only team to never have reached them.
And fixed link. Don't link to mobile Wikipedia, it doesn't redirect to desktop version when entering from a computer, unlike the other way round.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on October 31, 2019, 12:32:51 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on October 31, 2019, 12:32:51 AM
What a glorious sports year or so.
Stanley Cup
NCAA Basketball championship
NCAA Lacrosse championship
I don't watch the WNBA, but the Mystics' win was cool
....and NOW THE WORLD SERIES!!!!!
I just wish my dad had made it a few more months to see this!
Stanley Cup
NCAA Basketball championship
NCAA Lacrosse championship
I don't watch the WNBA, but the Mystics' win was cool
....and NOW THE WORLD SERIES!!!!!
I just wish my dad had made it a few more months to see this!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on October 31, 2019, 05:27:49 AM
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on October 31, 2019, 05:27:49 AM
It's funny how the away team won all seven games. Anyway, I congratulate the Nationals for their first World Series title, they should have won in 1994 as the Expos had the strike not happened. This also ends a 95 year wait for Washington DC, including 33 years in which it was impossible for the city to celebrate one title as they didn't have a MLB team. Now, I believe all the remaining teams which haven't won a World Series yet will do so in my lifetime. As well as the Indians. I've already seen the Cubs getting it, so why not.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Beltway on October 31, 2019, 07:32:26 AM
Post by: Beltway on October 31, 2019, 07:32:26 AM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on October 31, 2019, 05:27:49 AMFirst time ever.
It's funny how the away team won all seven games.
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on October 31, 2019, 05:27:49 AM
Anyway, I congratulate the Nationals for their first World Series title, they should have won in 1994 as the Expos had the strike not happened. This also ends a 95 year wait for Washington DC, including 33 years in which it was impossible for the city to celebrate one title as they didn't have a MLB team. Now, I believe all the remaining teams which haven't won a World Series yet will do so in my lifetime. As well as the Indians. I've already seen the Cubs getting it, so why not.
https://www.mlb.com/news/nationals-world-series-facts-and-figures
Quotes:
The Nationals' 19-31 record was the worst 50-game start of any team to win the World Series. They're only the fifth team to be below .500 through 50 games and win the World Series, and the first since the 2003 Marlins, who started 21-29.
[That helps explain how a 93-win team beat an 106-win team and 107-win team in the postseason, as their last ~120 games were played at the overall win performance of the latter teams]
The Nats join the 1914 Braves as the only teams to win the World Series in a season in which they were at least 12 games below .500 at any point, according to the Elias Sports Bureau.
The Nationals sealed the first championship in the franchise's 51-season history (Expos/Nats), since Montreal debuted as an expansion team in 1969. It's the second championship for a Washington team in Major League history, and the first since the '24 Senators beat the New York Giants in Game 7 at Griffith Stadium.
Just how tough was the Nationals' road? They took down two teams that won 105 or more games to win the title: the 106-win Dodgers and the 107-win Astros. They were only the second team to face two 105-plus-win teams in a single postseason, along with the 1998 Padres, and they're the only ones to beat both of those teams en route to a title.
The Nats went 8-1 on the road this postseason, tying the 1996 Yankees' record for both total postseason road wins in a year and consecutive road wins in a single postseason, which was also eight.
The Nationals made it difficult, losing all three World Series games at Nationals Park. They counteracted that by becoming the first champion to capture each of its World Series wins on the road. Yet they also continued a recent trend of road success in the Fall Classic, making it the sixth straight year that the Series winner has clinched on the road, and the fourth straight World Series Game 7 in which the road team has prevailed.
The Nats are the seventh Wild Card team to win a championship since the Wild Card era began in 1995, but only the second since 2012, when the Wild Card Games debuted. The only other team to advance past that winner-take-all affair to begin the postseason and then go on to win the championship was the '14 Giants.
Game 7 marked the fifth time this October that the Nationals trailed in an elimination game and came back to win, a record for a team in a single postseason.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 31, 2019, 07:48:18 AM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 31, 2019, 07:48:18 AM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on October 31, 2019, 05:27:49 AM
It's funny how the away team won all seven games. Anyway, I congratulate the Nationals for their first World Series title, they should have won in 1994 as the Expos had the strike not happened. This also ends a 95 year wait for Washington DC, including 33 years in which it was impossible for the city to celebrate one title as they didn't have a MLB team. Now, I believe all the remaining teams which haven't won a World Series yet will do so in my lifetime. As well as the Indians. I've already seen the Cubs getting it, so why not.
I want to say the Mariners are the only team that hasn't been to a World Series. The only current teams that haven't won a series are; Rays, Rockies, Padres, Mariners, Brewers and the Rangers.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 31, 2019, 10:27:16 AM
Post by: Henry on October 31, 2019, 10:27:16 AM
From a roadgeek perspective, you have to keep these two things in mind: The number of years it took the Nationals to reach the World Series matches the US route that passes through the heart of the city, and the number of years that had passed since the Senators' only victory matches the Interstate that serves it.
In any case, I'm happy that they won, and after that near-miss by the 1994 Expos and their subsequent downfall, they really deserve it. Hopefully, those former fans in Montreal can put all differences aside and forgive the team that deserted them 15 years ago.
In any case, I'm happy that they won, and after that near-miss by the 1994 Expos and their subsequent downfall, they really deserve it. Hopefully, those former fans in Montreal can put all differences aside and forgive the team that deserted them 15 years ago.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 31, 2019, 10:45:03 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 31, 2019, 10:45:03 AM
The first year the Nationals played in DC, the Astros lost the World Series.
The most recent year the Nationals played in DC, the Astros lost the World Series.
The most recent year the Nationals played in DC, the Astros lost the World Series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: dvferyance on October 31, 2019, 12:06:23 PM
Post by: dvferyance on October 31, 2019, 12:06:23 PM
Just insane they were still paying baseball when it was snowing outside. Really can't they at least play the world series earlier in October? This is football season not baseball season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 31, 2019, 12:15:32 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 31, 2019, 12:15:32 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on October 31, 2019, 12:06:23 PM
Just insane they were still paying baseball when it was snowing outside. Really can't they at least play the world series earlier in October? This is football season not baseball season.
There's really no need for a 162 game season, but the owners and players are never going to give up that money, so you have a season that begins in mid-March or ends in late October.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 31, 2019, 12:33:30 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 31, 2019, 12:33:30 PM
Shortening the season completely changes the dynamic of the league. Baseball is a marathon, not a sprint. All statistics for the longest running professional sport in America would be invalidated. Terrible idea to mess with history like that.
So what if it's snowing in some places while the world series is going on? I welcome the day when a World Series game is postponed due to a snowstorm in Minneapolis. Because it will be hilarious.
So what if it's snowing in some places while the world series is going on? I welcome the day when a World Series game is postponed due to a snowstorm in Minneapolis. Because it will be hilarious.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 31, 2019, 12:39:28 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 31, 2019, 12:39:28 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 31, 2019, 12:33:30 PM
Shortening the season completely changes the dynamic of the league. Baseball is a marathon, not a sprint. All statistics for the longest running professional sport in America would be invalidated. Terrible idea to mess with history like that.
So what if it's snowing in some places while the world series is going on? I welcome the day when a World Series game is postponed due to a snowstorm in Minneapolis. Because it will be hilarious.
A 150 game season is still a marathon but cuts out 2 weeks, and as long as PEDs remain illegal, very few season records are breakable anyway.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Rothman on October 31, 2019, 12:50:21 PM
Post by: Rothman on October 31, 2019, 12:50:21 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 31, 2019, 12:39:28 PMSeason length has certainly been changed before.Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 31, 2019, 12:33:30 PM
Shortening the season completely changes the dynamic of the league. Baseball is a marathon, not a sprint. All statistics for the longest running professional sport in America would be invalidated. Terrible idea to mess with history like that.
So what if it's snowing in some places while the world series is going on? I welcome the day when a World Series game is postponed due to a snowstorm in Minneapolis. Because it will be hilarious.
A 150 game season is still a marathon but cuts out 2 weeks, and as long as PEDs remain illegal, very few season records are breakable anyway.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: MNHighwayMan on October 31, 2019, 12:55:30 PM
Post by: MNHighwayMan on October 31, 2019, 12:55:30 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 31, 2019, 12:33:30 PM
I welcome the day when a World Series game is postponed due to a snowstorm in Minneapolis. Because it will be hilarious.
I welcome this too, but for slightly different reasons.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 31, 2019, 04:15:05 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 31, 2019, 04:15:05 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on October 31, 2019, 12:55:30 PMQuote from: triplemultiplex on October 31, 2019, 12:33:30 PM
I welcome the day when a World Series game is postponed due to a snowstorm in Minneapolis. Because it will be hilarious.
I welcome this too, but for slightly different reasons.
A snowstorm in the World Series could also happen in Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland, Milwaukee and Toronto depending of Mother Nature's mood. ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on October 31, 2019, 04:30:01 PM
Post by: Big John on October 31, 2019, 04:30:01 PM
^^ Milwaukee and Toronto have movable roofs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 31, 2019, 06:18:00 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 31, 2019, 06:18:00 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on October 31, 2019, 04:15:05 PMQuote from: MNHighwayMan on October 31, 2019, 12:55:30 PMQuote from: triplemultiplex on October 31, 2019, 12:33:30 PM
I welcome the day when a World Series game is postponed due to a snowstorm in Minneapolis. Because it will be hilarious.
I welcome this too, but for slightly different reasons.
A snowstorm in the World Series could also happen in Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland, Milwaukee and Toronto depending of Mother Nature's mood. ;)
You can certainly add Denver to the list. And there's always a chance in Boston or New York in late October or early April. It's a good thing the Mets weren't in the 2011 World Series, because if it had gone the full 7 games, Game 7 would have been snowed out by the Snowtober storm (the NL had home field that year).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: DTComposer on October 31, 2019, 10:09:21 PM
Post by: DTComposer on October 31, 2019, 10:09:21 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 31, 2019, 12:33:30 PM
Shortening the season completely changes the dynamic of the league. Baseball is a marathon, not a sprint. All statistics for the longest running professional sport in America would be invalidated. Terrible idea to mess with history like that.
So what if it's snowing in some places while the world series is going on? I welcome the day when a World Series game is postponed due to a snowstorm in Minneapolis. Because it will be hilarious.
Aren't player statistics are compared against the entire "modern era" (i.e. starting in 1901)? We're not adjusting Babe Ruth's home run total because he only played 154-game seasons.
I'd be fine with going back to 154 games. Expand to 32 teams (Portland and Charlotte), four divisions of four teams in each league.
18 games each against division teams
7 games each against one other division in league (in rotation)
5 games each against two other divisions in league (in rotation)
5 games each against corresponding division in other league (i.e. NL West vs. AL West)
3 games each against one other division in other league (in rotation)
Eight-team playoff bracket in each league. First round is best-of-three, other rounds stay as they are. World Series ends no later than the last Sunday in October.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: nexus73 on November 01, 2019, 12:22:37 AM
Post by: nexus73 on November 01, 2019, 12:22:37 AM
Quote from: DTComposer on October 31, 2019, 10:09:21 PMQuote from: triplemultiplex on October 31, 2019, 12:33:30 PM
Shortening the season completely changes the dynamic of the league. Baseball is a marathon, not a sprint. All statistics for the longest running professional sport in America would be invalidated. Terrible idea to mess with history like that.
So what if it's snowing in some places while the world series is going on? I welcome the day when a World Series game is postponed due to a snowstorm in Minneapolis. Because it will be hilarious.
Aren't player statistics are compared against the entire "modern era" (i.e. starting in 1901)? We're not adjusting Babe Ruth's home run total because he only played 154-game seasons.
I'd be fine with going back to 154 games. Expand to 32 teams (Portland and Charlotte), four divisions of four teams in each league.
18 games each against division teams
7 games each against one other division in league (in rotation)
5 games each against two other divisions in league (in rotation)
5 games each against corresponding division in other league (i.e. NL West vs. AL West)
3 games each against one other division in other league (in rotation)
Eight-team playoff bracket in each league. First round is best-of-three, other rounds stay as they are. World Series ends no later than the last Sunday in October.
I like your idea. Not only do we get the World Series to end earlier, we also get the chance of a matchup between two teams that never played each other in the regular season. Good Job Bob award for your plan!
Rick
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on November 01, 2019, 12:29:13 AM
Post by: Alps on November 01, 2019, 12:29:13 AM
the world series just ended in October. that's all I ever ask.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on November 01, 2019, 07:23:43 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on November 01, 2019, 07:23:43 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191101/8dd93b08205a449006817ca5429ba242.jpg)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on November 02, 2019, 03:00:06 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on November 02, 2019, 03:00:06 PM
Very, very cool:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191102/3dfb10b485ee5d810c1fe2dfc2952319.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191102/3dfb10b485ee5d810c1fe2dfc2952319.jpg)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kendancy66 on November 02, 2019, 10:58:44 PM
Post by: kendancy66 on November 02, 2019, 10:58:44 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 31, 2019, 10:45:03 AMThe Astros are the only team to win an AL and NL title. The Milwaukee Brewers are the only other team that can currently accomplish this. They have AL title from 1982 and are in the NL now
The first year the Nationals played in DC, the Astros lost the World Series.
The most recent year the Nationals played in DC, the Astros lost the World Series.
iPhone
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Mark68 on November 05, 2019, 11:12:02 AM
Post by: Mark68 on November 05, 2019, 11:12:02 AM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on October 31, 2019, 05:27:49 AM
This also ends a 95 year wait for Washington DC, including 33 years in which it was impossible for the city to celebrate one title as they didn't have a MLB team.
It can be said that they really didn't have an MLB team even longer than the 33 years, as the 2nd iteration of the Senators only once finished higher than 8th (6th in 1967) in the 10-team AL and never higher than 4th (1969--albeit with a winning record) in the 6-team AL East before moving to Texas in 1972.
In the last 15 years before the original Senators moved to Minnesota in 1961, they finished 4th (out of 8) once, 5th three times (including 1952 & 53, the only years of .500 or better records in this stretch), 6th once, 7th four times and 8th (last) place five times (including 4 out of 5 seasons from 1955-59).
They were bad. So one could say that there really hadn't been a "major league" quality team in Washington for 60 years (1946-2005). The old(est) Senators did finish 2nd in 1945, only 1 1/2 games back.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on November 21, 2019, 09:35:20 AM
Post by: Henry on November 21, 2019, 09:35:20 AM
As if losing the World Series wasn't bad enough for the Astros, they may face harsh penalties for cheating their way to their own championship in 2017:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28116718/mlb-commissioner-says-punishments-severe-sign-stealing-scandal
While I wouldn't call them MLB's version of the New England Patriots (at least not yet anyway), they're also the same team whose ballpark once had Enron's name on it, and we all remember how that went down, so scandal runs deep in Houston.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28116718/mlb-commissioner-says-punishments-severe-sign-stealing-scandal
While I wouldn't call them MLB's version of the New England Patriots (at least not yet anyway), they're also the same team whose ballpark once had Enron's name on it, and we all remember how that went down, so scandal runs deep in Houston.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on November 21, 2019, 04:52:19 PM
Post by: kevinb1994 on November 21, 2019, 04:52:19 PM
Quote from: Henry on November 21, 2019, 09:35:20 AMIt probably won't be long before that happens, though. As ZZ Top themselves said, there's Heaven, Hell, and Houston. ;)
As if losing the World Series wasn't bad enough for the Astros, they may face harsh penalties for cheating their way to their own championship in 2017:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28116718/mlb-commissioner-says-punishments-severe-sign-stealing-scandal (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28116718/mlb-commissioner-says-punishments-severe-sign-stealing-scandal)
While I wouldn't call them MLB's version of the New England Patriots (at least not yet anyway), they're also the same team whose ballpark once had Enron's name on it, and we all remember how that went down, so scandal runs deep in Houston.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: MNHighwayMan on November 21, 2019, 08:03:30 PM
Post by: MNHighwayMan on November 21, 2019, 08:03:30 PM
Quote from: Henry on November 21, 2019, 09:35:20 AM
While I wouldn't call them MLB's version of the New England Patriots
Nah, that's the Yankees.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 21, 2019, 08:32:40 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 21, 2019, 08:32:40 PM
Stealing signs is common place in all levels of baseball whether or not MLB wants to believe that.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on November 21, 2019, 09:30:50 PM
Post by: Alps on November 21, 2019, 09:30:50 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 21, 2019, 08:03:30 PMPlease show me an example of umpires favoring the Yankees, or of the Yankees owner and family partying with the MLB commissioner and family.Quote from: Henry on November 21, 2019, 09:35:20 AM
While I wouldn't call them MLB's version of the New England Patriots
Nah, that's the Yankees.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Rothman on November 21, 2019, 09:56:24 PM
Post by: Rothman on November 21, 2019, 09:56:24 PM
Quote from: Alps on November 21, 2019, 09:30:50 PM9-1!Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 21, 2019, 08:03:30 PMPlease show me an example of umpires favoring the Yankees, or of the Yankees owner and family partying with the MLB commissioner and family.Quote from: Henry on November 21, 2019, 09:35:20 AM
While I wouldn't call them MLB's version of the New England Patriots
Nah, that's the Yankees.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on November 22, 2019, 12:45:53 AM
Post by: Alps on November 22, 2019, 12:45:53 AM
Quote from: Rothman on November 21, 2019, 09:56:24 PMSeptember 1st? A 9-1 win? 8?Quote from: Alps on November 21, 2019, 09:30:50 PM9-1!Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 21, 2019, 08:03:30 PMPlease show me an example of umpires favoring the Yankees, or of the Yankees owner and family partying with the MLB commissioner and family.Quote from: Henry on November 21, 2019, 09:35:20 AM
While I wouldn't call them MLB's version of the New England Patriots
Nah, that's the Yankees.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on November 22, 2019, 05:29:42 AM
Post by: hotdogPi on November 22, 2019, 05:29:42 AM
Quote from: Alps on November 22, 2019, 12:45:53 AMI checked the game on September 1. On that day, the Yankees had a come-from-behind win, winning 5-4, so that might be what he was referring to. However, I'm not seeing any controversy for that game; the win was legitimate.Quote from: Rothman on November 21, 2019, 09:56:24 PMSeptember 1st? A 9-1 win? 8?Quote from: Alps on November 21, 2019, 09:30:50 PM9-1!Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 21, 2019, 08:03:30 PMPlease show me an example of umpires favoring the Yankees, or of the Yankees owner and family partying with the MLB commissioner and family.Quote from: Henry on November 21, 2019, 09:35:20 AM
While I wouldn't call them MLB's version of the New England Patriots
Nah, that's the Yankees.
The Yankees won 9-1 on September 19. Nothing unusual that day, either.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on November 22, 2019, 09:51:56 AM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on November 22, 2019, 09:51:56 AM
Quote from: Alps on November 21, 2019, 09:30:50 PMQuote from: MNHighwayMan on November 21, 2019, 08:03:30 PMPlease show me an example of umpires favoring the Yankees, or of the Yankees owner and family partying with the MLB commissioner and family.Quote from: Henry on November 21, 2019, 09:35:20 AM
While I wouldn't call them MLB's version of the New England Patriots
Nah, that's the Yankees.
Jeffrey Maier. Clearly fan interference.
The whole A-Rod fiasco when the Players Union blocked his trade to the Red Sox, but they were a-ok with the Yankees trade (ended up being the best trade the Sox never made).
A game a few years ago where Big Papi was called out on strikes on a pitch that was 3 feet outside.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Mark68 on November 22, 2019, 02:03:23 PM
Post by: Mark68 on November 22, 2019, 02:03:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 21, 2019, 08:32:40 PM
Stealing signs is common place in all levels of baseball whether or not MLB wants to believe that.
While this is true, the issue with the Astros is the use of technology to do so. That is expressly forbidden. An individual player stealing signs is one thing, however, this is the systematic use of technological devices.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 22, 2019, 02:21:57 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 22, 2019, 02:21:57 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on November 22, 2019, 09:51:56 AMQuote from: Alps on November 21, 2019, 09:30:50 PMQuote from: MNHighwayMan on November 21, 2019, 08:03:30 PMPlease show me an example of umpires favoring the Yankees, or of the Yankees owner and family partying with the MLB commissioner and family.Quote from: Henry on November 21, 2019, 09:35:20 AM
While I wouldn't call them MLB's version of the New England Patriots
Nah, that's the Yankees.
Jeffrey Maier. Clearly fan interference.
The whole A-Rod fiasco when the Players Union blocked his trade to the Red Sox, but they were a-ok with the Yankees trade (ended up being the best trade the Sox never made).
A game a few years ago where Big Papi was called out on strikes on a pitch that was 3 feet outside.
So the umpire was unfair to the steroid cheater. Sounds like a wash.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 22, 2019, 02:42:46 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 22, 2019, 02:42:46 PM
Quote from: Mark68 on November 22, 2019, 02:03:23 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on November 21, 2019, 08:32:40 PM
Stealing signs is common place in all levels of baseball whether or not MLB wants to believe that.
While this is true, the issue with the Astros is the use of technology to do so. That is expressly forbidden. An individual player stealing signs is one thing, however, this is the systematic use of technological devices.
Yes, I'm not condoning the action I'm just not surprised that in a sport that has had some historical issues with cheating that someone else found a way to do it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on November 22, 2019, 04:49:55 PM
Post by: Alps on November 22, 2019, 04:49:55 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on November 22, 2019, 09:51:56 AMMaier happened years before video review. That would have been overturned nowadays.Quote from: Alps on November 21, 2019, 09:30:50 PMQuote from: MNHighwayMan on November 21, 2019, 08:03:30 PMPlease show me an example of umpires favoring the Yankees, or of the Yankees owner and family partying with the MLB commissioner and family.Quote from: Henry on November 21, 2019, 09:35:20 AM
While I wouldn't call them MLB's version of the New England Patriots
Nah, that's the Yankees.
Jeffrey Maier. Clearly fan interference.
The whole A-Rod fiasco when the Players Union blocked his trade to the Red Sox, but they were a-ok with the Yankees trade (ended up being the best trade the Sox never made).
A game a few years ago where Big Papi was called out on strikes on a pitch that was 3 feet outside.
I've seen games in 2019 with horrible strike calls. Prove they're 8biased toward one team. You can't.
Sux tried to lower the cash value of A Fraud's contact. Yankees didn't. Simple as that You're right in your conclusion though.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Beltway on November 22, 2019, 11:07:35 PM
Post by: Beltway on November 22, 2019, 11:07:35 PM
The New York Yankees have always been the Best Team that Money Can Buy.
The result of not having a salary cap in MLB, and Greater NYC being by far the largest metropolitan media market in the country, dating all the way back to the late 1800s when MLB was founded.
The result of not having a salary cap in MLB, and Greater NYC being by far the largest metropolitan media market in the country, dating all the way back to the late 1800s when MLB was founded.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on November 23, 2019, 01:13:07 AM
Post by: Alps on November 23, 2019, 01:13:07 AM
Quote from: Beltway on November 22, 2019, 11:07:35 PMTake a look at who's been spending the most lately and get back to me.
The New York Yankees have always been the Best Team that Money Can Buy.
The result of not having a salary cap in MLB, and Greater NYC being by far the largest metropolitan media market in the country, dating all the way back to the late 1800s when MLB was founded.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Beltway on November 23, 2019, 05:15:36 AM
Post by: Beltway on November 23, 2019, 05:15:36 AM
Quote from: Alps on November 23, 2019, 01:13:07 AM32 of their 40 pennants were before 1980, and 36 before 2000.Quote from: Beltway on November 22, 2019, 11:07:35 PMTake a look at who's been spending the most lately and get back to me.
The New York Yankees have always been the Best Team that Money Can Buy.
The result of not having a salary cap in MLB, and Greater NYC being by far the largest metropolitan media market in the country, dating all the way back to the late 1800s when MLB was founded.
Things have evened out some in recent years.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: dlsterner on November 23, 2019, 11:41:25 PM
Post by: dlsterner on November 23, 2019, 11:41:25 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 21, 2019, 08:32:40 PM
Stealing signs is common place in all levels of baseball whether or not MLB wants to believe that.
Stealing signs, in and of itself, is mostly looked upon as "gamesmanship". If an opponent is careless with obscuring their signals I have no issues with players taking advantage of that. I guess the line is drawn when technology comes into play (like cameras and microphones) as opposed to human observation.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on January 01, 2020, 10:38:15 AM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on January 01, 2020, 10:38:15 AM
This one come late, it's from last October. The 2 independent leagues, the Cam-Am league and the Frontier league had merged.
https://www.courierpress.com/story/sports/baseball/otters/2019/10/16/frontier-league-announces-merger-can-am-league/3977863002/
https://www.courierpress.com/story/sports/baseball/otters/2019/10/16/frontier-league-announces-merger-can-am-league/3977863002/
QuoteThe Frontier League, the longest-running independent league in professional baseball, announced Wednesday it will merge with the Can-Am League for the 2020 season.
It will create North America's largest league in independent baseball as five Can-Am teams join nine from the Frontier League, including the Evansville Otters, who will remain the oldest franchise.
The league will continue to be called the Frontier League.
"For those of us who have been in this business for a long time, to see where this thing can go, we're so excited for the future," Frontier League commissioner Bill Lee said during a news conference, noting discussions had been ongoing for two years.
"Bringing the 14 teams from basically the Atlantic Ocean to the Mississippi River, we want to make sure this thing can grow and watch our industry grow with it."
There will be two divisions. One will be called the Cam-Am Division, which will include its legacy members in the New Jersey Jackals, Quebec Capitales, Rockland Boulders, Sussex County Miners and Trois-Rivieres Aigles as well as the Washington Wild Things and Lake Erie Crushers.
The Midwestern Division will then include the Evansville Otters, Florence Freedom, Gateway Grizzlies, Joliet Slammers, Schaumburg Boomers, Southern Illinois Miners and the Windy City ThunderBolts.
The Frontier League has never had more than 14 active teams since it was established in 1993.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on January 04, 2020, 07:46:59 AM
Post by: amroad17 on January 04, 2020, 07:46:59 AM
In more Frontier League notes...
The Florence Freedom were sold to a group of local investors this past summer. In October, the new owners decided to re-brand the team and dropped the Freedom name immediately. So, right now, they are the Florence team until a decision is made.
BTW, the baseball played in the Frontier League isn't bad. UC Health Stadium is modern and the playing surface is field turf (including the "dirt").
The Florence Freedom were sold to a group of local investors this past summer. In October, the new owners decided to re-brand the team and dropped the Freedom name immediately. So, right now, they are the Florence team until a decision is made.
BTW, the baseball played in the Frontier League isn't bad. UC Health Stadium is modern and the playing surface is field turf (including the "dirt").
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on January 04, 2020, 08:21:25 AM
Post by: ilpt4u on January 04, 2020, 08:21:25 AM
I have not been to a Marion/Southern Illinois Miners game, who are also in the Frontier League
I know tickets and beer are reasonably priced, and Rent One Park is a decent ballpark for a smaller league
I know tickets and beer are reasonably priced, and Rent One Park is a decent ballpark for a smaller league
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on January 14, 2020, 10:20:33 AM
Post by: Henry on January 14, 2020, 10:20:33 AM
I knew it was going to happen eventually...
The Astros have fired their manager A.J. Hinch and GM Jeff Luhnow in their ongoing sign-stealing scandal, plus they've lost four draft picks for 2020 and 2021 and been hit with a hefty fine from MLB:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28476780/astros-jeff-luhnow-aj-hinch-fired-sign-stealing
The Astros have fired their manager A.J. Hinch and GM Jeff Luhnow in their ongoing sign-stealing scandal, plus they've lost four draft picks for 2020 and 2021 and been hit with a hefty fine from MLB:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28476780/astros-jeff-luhnow-aj-hinch-fired-sign-stealing
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 14, 2020, 12:06:08 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 14, 2020, 12:06:08 PM
Quote from: Henry on January 14, 2020, 10:20:33 AM
I knew it was going to happen eventually...
The Astros have fired their manager A.J. Hinch and GM Jeff Luhnow in their ongoing sign-stealing scandal, plus they've lost four draft picks for 2020 and 2021 and been hit with a hefty fine from MLB:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28476780/astros-jeff-luhnow-aj-hinch-fired-sign-stealing
But still have a World Series title at the end of the day making all that happened still worth it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on January 14, 2020, 10:56:21 PM
Post by: Alps on January 14, 2020, 10:56:21 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 14, 2020, 12:06:08 PMWhich should be revoked.Quote from: Henry on January 14, 2020, 10:20:33 AM
I knew it was going to happen eventually...
The Astros have fired their manager A.J. Hinch and GM Jeff Luhnow in their ongoing sign-stealing scandal, plus they've lost four draft picks for 2020 and 2021 and been hit with a hefty fine from MLB:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28476780/astros-jeff-luhnow-aj-hinch-fired-sign-stealing
But still have a World Series title at the end of the day making all that happened still worth it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 14, 2020, 11:03:05 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 14, 2020, 11:03:05 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 14, 2020, 10:56:21 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on January 14, 2020, 12:06:08 PMWhich should be revoked.Quote from: Henry on January 14, 2020, 10:20:33 AM
I knew it was going to happen eventually...
The Astros have fired their manager A.J. Hinch and GM Jeff Luhnow in their ongoing sign-stealing scandal, plus they've lost four draft picks for 2020 and 2021 and been hit with a hefty fine from MLB:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28476780/astros-jeff-luhnow-aj-hinch-fired-sign-stealing
But still have a World Series title at the end of the day making all that happened still worth it.
Perhaps, but no professional league has the guts to alter an already existing result.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on January 14, 2020, 11:06:29 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on January 14, 2020, 11:06:29 PM
And the fallout continues. The Red Sox have mutually parted ways with manager Alex Cora, who, as the ringleader, faces even stronger discipline than Hinch and Luhnow.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 15, 2020, 07:41:40 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 15, 2020, 07:41:40 AM
Since the Astros were benefitting at the plate by knowing what pitch was coming, I thought this would be a fitting part of the punishment:
For every inning of every game for the upcoming season, the first Astros batter starts with a 0-1 count.
For every inning of every game for the upcoming season, the first Astros batter starts with a 0-1 count.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Beltway on January 15, 2020, 07:50:41 AM
Post by: Beltway on January 15, 2020, 07:50:41 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 15, 2020, 07:41:40 AM"Stealing signs by eyeball" has always been part of the game.
Since the Astros were benefitting at the plate by knowing what pitch was coming, I thought this would be a fitting part of the punishment:
For every inning of every game for the upcoming season, the first Astros batter starts with a 0-1 count.
Using electronic means such as videotaping (hello NE Cheatriots!) is, well, major and high-level cheating!
If the signs are discerned by people on the field using the tools they have, then it is fair play. Those people are on the rosters or are recognized as coaches in an official capacity. If they get the signs it is a gift, not theft.
When the signs are discerned by someone off the field and not in the game using equipment that is not part of the game, that is stealing and should be punished.
MLB made it clear that using electronics to steal signs was out of bounds. Doing it inside the confines of the field was still allowed but breaching the field is a violation. A visiting team cannot have the same access to technology wired inside the stadium to steal signs as the home team.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on January 15, 2020, 07:50:55 AM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on January 15, 2020, 07:50:55 AM
I guess the Astros will be now jinxed/cursed just like the White Sox and the Red Sox was in the past.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on January 15, 2020, 10:30:28 AM
Post by: Henry on January 15, 2020, 10:30:28 AM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on January 15, 2020, 07:50:55 AMAnd the Cubs too, who went 108 years without winning another World Series!
I guess the Astros will be now jinxed/cursed just like the White Sox and the Red Sox was in the past.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on January 16, 2020, 11:31:53 AM
Post by: ET21 on January 16, 2020, 11:31:53 AM
Astros are cursed by themselves now
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 16, 2020, 12:40:29 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 16, 2020, 12:40:29 PM
Quote from: ET21 on January 16, 2020, 11:31:53 AM
Astros are cursed by themselves now
What about the Cleveland Indians? Funny they never gets brought up as a curse.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: roadman on January 16, 2020, 01:09:39 PM
Post by: roadman on January 16, 2020, 01:09:39 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 14, 2020, 10:56:21 PMOnly if you can conclusively prove that the sign stealing gave the Astros enough of an advantage that it was virtually impossible for LA to win the games. Given that the batting averages of the hitters during the Series weren't at least .900 during the Series, it's pretty obvious that "advantage" played an insignificant role in their wins.Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 14, 2020, 12:06:08 PMWhich should be revoked.Quote from: Henry on January 14, 2020, 10:20:33 AM
I knew it was going to happen eventually...
The Astros have fired their manager A.J. Hinch and GM Jeff Luhnow in their ongoing sign-stealing scandal, plus they've lost four draft picks for 2020 and 2021 and been hit with a hefty fine from MLB:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28476780/astros-jeff-luhnow-aj-hinch-fired-sign-stealing
But still have a World Series title at the end of the day making all that happened still worth it.
And it's a sad commentary on both society and the media that this has been blown up so out of proportion to the actual significance of the violation.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: nexus73 on January 16, 2020, 01:11:53 PM
Post by: nexus73 on January 16, 2020, 01:11:53 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 16, 2020, 12:40:29 PMQuote from: ET21 on January 16, 2020, 11:31:53 AM
Astros are cursed by themselves now
What about the Cleveland Indians? Funny they never gets brought up as a curse.
"Ha! Ha!". Maybe the curse will be gone from that team since Chief Wahoo is getting retired as a team symbol according to a recent article I read.
Seattle. Now there's a curse. Get the record for most wins in the regular season and they still have yet to play for an AL pennant let alone in a World Series. In the meantime, the original MLB Seattle franchise, the Pilots, moves to Milwaukie and that city gets a championship.
Rick
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on January 16, 2020, 01:25:06 PM
Post by: Big John on January 16, 2020, 01:25:06 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on January 16, 2020, 01:11:53 PMThe Brewers never won a world series. Though the Bucks won a NBA championship at that time.Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 16, 2020, 12:40:29 PMQuote from: ET21 on January 16, 2020, 11:31:53 AM
Astros are cursed by themselves now
What about the Cleveland Indians? Funny they never gets brought up as a curse.
"Ha! Ha!". Maybe the curse will be gone from that team since Chief Wahoo is getting retired as a team symbol according to a recent article I read.
Seattle. Now there's a curse. Get the record for most wins in the regular season and they still have yet to play for an AL pennant let alone in a World Series. In the meantime, the original MLB Seattle franchise, the Pilots, moves to Milwaukie and that city gets a championship.
Rick
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: nexus73 on January 16, 2020, 01:40:31 PM
Post by: nexus73 on January 16, 2020, 01:40:31 PM
Quote from: Big John on January 16, 2020, 01:25:06 PMQuote from: nexus73 on January 16, 2020, 01:11:53 PMThe Brewers never won a world series. Though the Bucks won a NBA championship at that time.Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 16, 2020, 12:40:29 PMQuote from: ET21 on January 16, 2020, 11:31:53 AM
Astros are cursed by themselves now
What about the Cleveland Indians? Funny they never gets brought up as a curse.
"Ha! Ha!". Maybe the curse will be gone from that team since Chief Wahoo is getting retired as a team symbol according to a recent article I read.
Seattle. Now there's a curse. Get the record for most wins in the regular season and they still have yet to play for an AL pennant let alone in a World Series. In the meantime, the original MLB Seattle franchise, the Pilots, moves to Milwaukie and that city gets a championship.
Rick
Boy, I thought they had won one but you are right! At least they made it to a World Series.
Rick
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on January 17, 2020, 01:14:10 AM
Post by: Alps on January 17, 2020, 01:14:10 AM
Quote from: roadman on January 16, 2020, 01:09:39 PMThe Yankees would have been in the 2019 series.Quote from: Alps on January 14, 2020, 10:56:21 PMOnly if you can conclusively prove that the sign stealing gave the Astros enough of an advantage that it was virtually impossible for LA to win the games. Given that the batting averages of the hitters during the Series weren't at least .900 during the Series, it's pretty obvious that "advantage" played an insignificant role in their wins.Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 14, 2020, 12:06:08 PMWhich should be revoked.Quote from: Henry on January 14, 2020, 10:20:33 AM
I knew it was going to happen eventually...
The Astros have fired their manager A.J. Hinch and GM Jeff Luhnow in their ongoing sign-stealing scandal, plus they've lost four draft picks for 2020 and 2021 and been hit with a hefty fine from MLB:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28476780/astros-jeff-luhnow-aj-hinch-fired-sign-stealing
But still have a World Series title at the end of the day making all that happened still worth it.
And it's a sad commentary on both society and the media that this has been blown up so out of proportion to the actual significance of the violation.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SSOWorld on January 17, 2020, 04:36:52 AM
Post by: SSOWorld on January 17, 2020, 04:36:52 AM
Quote from: Alps on January 17, 2020, 01:14:10 AMYou'll find that many of the claims we cling to depend greatly on our point of view.Quote from: roadman on January 16, 2020, 01:09:39 PMThe Yankees would have been in the 2019 series.Quote from: Alps on January 14, 2020, 10:56:21 PMOnly if you can conclusively prove that the sign stealing gave the Astros enough of an advantage that it was virtually impossible for LA to win the games. Given that the batting averages of the hitters during the Series weren't at least .900 during the Series, it's pretty obvious that "advantage" played an insignificant role in their wins.Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 14, 2020, 12:06:08 PMWhich should be revoked.Quote from: Henry on January 14, 2020, 10:20:33 AM
I knew it was going to happen eventually...
The Astros have fired their manager A.J. Hinch and GM Jeff Luhnow in their ongoing sign-stealing scandal, plus they've lost four draft picks for 2020 and 2021 and been hit with a hefty fine from MLB:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28476780/astros-jeff-luhnow-aj-hinch-fired-sign-stealing
But still have a World Series title at the end of the day making all that happened still worth it.
And it's a sad commentary on both society and the media that this has been blown up so out of proportion to the actual significance of the violation.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on January 17, 2020, 07:20:44 AM
Post by: amroad17 on January 17, 2020, 07:20:44 AM
Another casualty of the sign stealing fiasco: Carlos Beltran (a former player for the Astros) has agreed to part ways with the Mets--before he has even managed a game for them!
Who else and what other teams are going to be affected by this?
Who else and what other teams are going to be affected by this?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on January 17, 2020, 07:52:04 AM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on January 17, 2020, 07:52:04 AM
Quote from: nexus73 on January 16, 2020, 01:40:31 PM
Boy, I thought they had won one but you are right! At least they made it to a World Series.
Rick
Too bad then Montreal never made it to a World Series thanks to Donald Fehr who decided to do a strike that year, that son of a smurf*.
(*I used the word smurf as a subsititute to a certain b-word)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on January 18, 2020, 01:20:49 AM
Post by: Alps on January 18, 2020, 01:20:49 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on January 17, 2020, 07:20:44 AMI'm curious a) how 3 teams are going to fill their managerial positions, and b) what happens to the players involved. Will there be headhunting?
Another casualty of the sign stealing fiasco: Carlos Beltran (a former player for the Astros) has agreed to part ways with the Mets--before he has even managed a game for them!
Who else and what other teams are going to be affected by this?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on January 20, 2020, 10:25:48 AM
Post by: triplemultiplex on January 20, 2020, 10:25:48 AM
See, NFL? This is how you deal with cheaters. You don't give 'em a slap on the wrist and let them cheat their way to more super bowls.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 20, 2020, 02:50:11 PM
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 20, 2020, 02:50:11 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 16, 2020, 12:40:29 PMSince you asked...Quote from: ET21 on January 16, 2020, 11:31:53 AM
Astros are cursed by themselves now
What about the Cleveland Indians? Funny they never gets brought up as a curse.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51nKYOYiLeL._SX322_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
https://www.amazon.com/Curse-Rocky-Colavito-Loving-Thirty-Year/dp/1598510355
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: bing101 on February 18, 2020, 04:39:39 PM
Post by: bing101 on February 18, 2020, 04:39:39 PM
https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-a-s-cast-on-tunein-is-now-the-exclusive-home-of-all-oakland-a-s-au (https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-a-s-cast-on-tunein-is-now-the-exclusive-home-of-all-oakland-a-s-au)
https://www.thereporter.com/2020/02/18/oakland-as-fans-vent-about-team-trading-radio-broadcast-for-streaming/ (https://www.thereporter.com/2020/02/18/oakland-as-fans-vent-about-team-trading-radio-broadcast-for-streaming/)
The Oakland A's has announced that their radio broadcasts will be on Tunein for the 2020 season.
https://www.thereporter.com/2020/02/18/oakland-as-fans-vent-about-team-trading-radio-broadcast-for-streaming/ (https://www.thereporter.com/2020/02/18/oakland-as-fans-vent-about-team-trading-radio-broadcast-for-streaming/)
The Oakland A's has announced that their radio broadcasts will be on Tunein for the 2020 season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on February 19, 2020, 10:01:33 AM
Post by: Henry on February 19, 2020, 10:01:33 AM
Quote from: Big John on January 16, 2020, 01:25:06 PMAnd the Braves won a World Series there 14 years before (but lost another the following season). Having also won in Boston and Atlanta, they're still the only MLB team to have won World Series while being established in three different cities.Quote from: nexus73 on January 16, 2020, 01:11:53 PMThe Brewers never won a world series. Though the Bucks won a NBA championship at that time.Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 16, 2020, 12:40:29 PMQuote from: ET21 on January 16, 2020, 11:31:53 AM
Astros are cursed by themselves now
What about the Cleveland Indians? Funny they never gets brought up as a curse.
"Ha! Ha!". Maybe the curse will be gone from that team since Chief Wahoo is getting retired as a team symbol according to a recent article I read.
Seattle. Now there's a curse. Get the record for most wins in the regular season and they still have yet to play for an AL pennant let alone in a World Series. In the meantime, the original MLB Seattle franchise, the Pilots, moves to Milwaukie and that city gets a championship.
Rick
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on February 20, 2020, 10:28:58 AM
Post by: Henry on February 20, 2020, 10:28:58 AM
The postseason could see some major changes a few years from now, as MLB is considering expanding the playoff field and letting its top seeds pick who they want to face in the first round, like they do in college basketball's March Madness tournaments. Guess time will tell if it becomes a hit success or major bust.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on February 20, 2020, 11:09:09 AM
Post by: hotdogPi on February 20, 2020, 11:09:09 AM
Quote from: Henry on February 20, 2020, 10:28:58 AM
The postseason could see some major changes a few years from now, as MLB is considering expanding the playoff field and letting its top seeds pick who they want to face in the first round, like they do in college basketball's March Madness tournaments. Guess time will tell if it becomes a hit success or major bust.
The more teams that make the playoffs, the less the regular season matters.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: roadman on February 20, 2020, 11:23:50 AM
Post by: roadman on February 20, 2020, 11:23:50 AM
Quote from: Henry on February 20, 2020, 10:28:58 AM
The postseason could see some major changes a few years from now, as MLB is considering expanding the playoff field and letting its top seeds pick who they want to face in the first round, like they do in college basketball's March Madness tournaments. Guess time will tell if it becomes a hit success or major bust.
The "everyone gets a trophy" generation strikes again.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on February 20, 2020, 11:28:09 AM
Post by: Alps on February 20, 2020, 11:28:09 AM
Quote from: roadman on February 20, 2020, 11:23:50 AMPretty much. I could see making the current play-in better but why do you need 4 wild card teams? (Hint: the answer begins with $. The more meaningful games played per season, the more profits.)Quote from: Henry on February 20, 2020, 10:28:58 AM
The postseason could see some major changes a few years from now, as MLB is considering expanding the playoff field and letting its top seeds pick who they want to face in the first round, like they do in college basketball's March Madness tournaments. Guess time will tell if it becomes a hit success or major bust.
The "everyone gets a trophy" generation strikes again.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on February 25, 2020, 07:38:51 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on February 25, 2020, 07:38:51 AM
Which college basketball tournament allows higher-seeded teams to choose their opponents? The NCAA Tournament doesn't, nor does the NIT, nor does any conference tournament I know of.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Bruce on May 05, 2020, 02:29:42 AM
Post by: Bruce on May 05, 2020, 02:29:42 AM
Baseball is back. The Korean Baseball Organization will be airing on ESPN with improvised English commentary at 1 am Eastern for the next few days.
Tonight's opener is the NC Lions (from Changwon) at the Samsung Lions in Daegu.
Tonight's opener is the NC Lions (from Changwon) at the Samsung Lions in Daegu.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on May 06, 2020, 09:22:00 AM
Post by: Henry on May 06, 2020, 09:22:00 AM
The Little League World Series has been cancelled, but there's still hope that the MLB season will start in a month or two.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ftballfan on May 08, 2020, 10:13:01 AM
Post by: ftballfan on May 08, 2020, 10:13:01 AM
Quote from: Henry on May 06, 2020, 09:22:00 AM
The Little League World Series has been cancelled, but there's still hope that the MLB season will start in a month or two.
First time ever the LLWS has been cancelled (it started just after World War II)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on May 13, 2020, 01:13:55 PM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on May 13, 2020, 01:13:55 PM
The NL teams will likely formally agree to use a DH this season.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-players-expected-to-approve-universal-dh-for-2020-season-report-says/
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-players-expected-to-approve-universal-dh-for-2020-season-report-says/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on May 13, 2020, 03:22:07 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on May 13, 2020, 03:22:07 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 13, 2020, 01:13:55 PM
The NL teams will likely formally agree to use a DH this season.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-players-expected-to-approve-universal-dh-for-2020-season-report-says/
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Baseball is dead.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: US 89 on May 13, 2020, 06:46:13 PM
Post by: US 89 on May 13, 2020, 06:46:13 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 13, 2020, 03:22:07 PMQuote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 13, 2020, 01:13:55 PM
The NL teams will likely formally agree to use a DH this season.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-players-expected-to-approve-universal-dh-for-2020-season-report-says/
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Baseball is dead.
Hopefully this season provides an opportunity for everyone to see how lame a universal DH would be and stop complaining about how "old-fashioned" the NL is. There's so much more depth and strategy to the game when the pitcher has to bat just like any other player.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on May 14, 2020, 07:17:51 PM
Post by: Roadmaestro95 on May 14, 2020, 07:17:51 PM
Quote from: US 89 on May 13, 2020, 06:46:13 PMQuote from: triplemultiplex on May 13, 2020, 03:22:07 PMQuote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 13, 2020, 01:13:55 PM
The NL teams will likely formally agree to use a DH this season.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-players-expected-to-approve-universal-dh-for-2020-season-report-says/
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Baseball is dead.
Hopefully this season provides an opportunity for everyone to see how lame a universal DH would be and stop complaining about how "old-fashioned" the NL is. There's so much more depth and strategy to the game when the pitcher has to bat just like any other player.
I hope it's just for this year, but I doubt that will happen. Manfred is going to implement every faction of his version of Major League Baseball into this shortened season. It's embarrassing to the tradition and history of the game, but I'll reluctantly give it a shot if it's only just for this season to get the MLB back in some form.
I believe that the entire league will be split into 3 divisions (disregarding AL/NL) to limit travel and make it safer, so this is why the universal DH route is being taken. We'll see what happens...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on May 14, 2020, 07:29:48 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on May 14, 2020, 07:29:48 PM
Quote from: Roadmaestro95 on May 14, 2020, 07:17:51 PM
I hope it's just for this year, but I doubt that will happen. Manfred is going to implement every faction of his version of Major League Baseball into this shortened season. It's embarrassing to the tradition and history of the game, but I'll reluctantly give it a shot if it's only just for this season to get the MLB back in some form.
I believe that the entire league will be split into 3 divisions (disregarding AL/NL) to limit travel and make it safer, so this is why the universal DH route is being taken. We'll see what happens...
Or instead of 3 divisions, we could split it into 3 leagues: AL, NL and a 3rd one who could be called the FL for Federal League as a nod to the attempted 3rd major league in 1914-15. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_League
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 14, 2020, 08:51:28 PM
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 14, 2020, 08:51:28 PM
I'm a Brewer fan who has seen them play in both leagues. Bring on the DH. Kill pitcher batting. There is nothing magical about it. Relic of a bygone age.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on May 15, 2020, 01:19:40 AM
Post by: Alps on May 15, 2020, 01:19:40 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 14, 2020, 08:51:28 PMJust like manual transmissions. *ducks*
I'm a Brewer fan who has seen them play in both leagues. Bring on the DH. Kill pitcher batting. There is nothing magical about it. Relic of a bygone age.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 15, 2020, 01:25:28 AM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 15, 2020, 01:25:28 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 14, 2020, 08:51:28 PMI agree as a Red Sox fan. Big Papi would not be able to play for as long in the NL. I do, however, enjoy it when pitchers hit home runs.
I'm a Brewer fan who has seen them play in both leagues. Bring on the DH. Kill pitcher batting. There is nothing magical about it. Relic of a bygone age.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 15, 2020, 08:10:08 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 15, 2020, 08:10:08 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 15, 2020, 01:25:28 AMQuote from: SEWIGuy on May 14, 2020, 08:51:28 PMI agree as a Red Sox fan. Big Papi would not be able to play for as long in the without steroids. I do, however, enjoy it when pitchers hit home runs.
I'm a Brewer fan who has seen them play in both leagues. Bring on the DH. Kill pitcher batting. There is nothing magical about it. Relic of a bygone age.
Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on May 15, 2020, 01:09:21 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on May 15, 2020, 01:09:21 PM
Reliance on jacking home runs is killing baseball. Everyone's up there swinging for the fences, so the entire game is all strikeouts. No one bunts to easily beat those radical infield shifts either. Or, I dunno, learn to hit to the opposite field? It's totally doable. But no, it's all about trying to go yard because the old people running baseball think that's what young people want.
The DH is the embodiment of this fetish for home runs. Get some over-the-hill lumox to string out his career a little more and completely torpedo the gamesmanship of when to use the bullpen just so they can push the fireworks button a couple of extra times per season. I hate it.
I see it as catering to the lowest common denominator. The impatient dumb chucklefuck who's like, "Derrr, baseball is boring; they should have more home runs!!"
The same people who are bored with the running game in football cuz they wanna see dudes huck the ball 50 yards down field at a time all the time.
By that logic NASCAR should have more crashes because isn't that more 'exciting' then drivers executing great passes?
The worst part of it to me is adding a DH will do nothing to make baseball more popular. Like it was in the long-long ago. When there was no DH at all.
The DH is the embodiment of this fetish for home runs. Get some over-the-hill lumox to string out his career a little more and completely torpedo the gamesmanship of when to use the bullpen just so they can push the fireworks button a couple of extra times per season. I hate it.
I see it as catering to the lowest common denominator. The impatient dumb chucklefuck who's like, "Derrr, baseball is boring; they should have more home runs!!"
The same people who are bored with the running game in football cuz they wanna see dudes huck the ball 50 yards down field at a time all the time.
By that logic NASCAR should have more crashes because isn't that more 'exciting' then drivers executing great passes?
The worst part of it to me is adding a DH will do nothing to make baseball more popular. Like it was in the long-long ago. When there was no DH at all.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: oscar on May 15, 2020, 01:20:35 PM
Post by: oscar on May 15, 2020, 01:20:35 PM
^ I don't mind the DH, since it offers a refuge for pitchers who can't hit, and hitters who can't field. But I like all the strategy involved in NL games without the DH. Plus, it's fun to see pitchers get hits or even home runs every once in awhile.
If we must have DH or no DH in both leagues, I'd prefer no DH. But I don't see the need to have the same rule for all MLB teams.
If we must have DH or no DH in both leagues, I'd prefer no DH. But I don't see the need to have the same rule for all MLB teams.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 15, 2020, 03:22:05 PM
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 15, 2020, 03:22:05 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 15, 2020, 01:09:21 PM
Reliance on jacking home runs is killing baseball. Everyone's up there swinging for the fences, so the entire game is all strikeouts. No one bunts to easily beat those radical infield shifts either. Or, I dunno, learn to hit to the opposite field? It's totally doable. But no, it's all about trying to go yard because the old people running baseball think that's what young people want.
The DH is the embodiment of this fetish for home runs. Get some over-the-hill lumox to string out his career a little more and completely torpedo the gamesmanship of when to use the bullpen just so they can push the fireworks button a couple of extra times per season. I hate it.
I see it as catering to the lowest common denominator. The impatient dumb chucklefuck who's like, "Derrr, baseball is boring; they should have more home runs!!"
The same people who are bored with the running game in football cuz they wanna see dudes huck the ball 50 yards down field at a time all the time.
By that logic NASCAR should have more crashes because isn't that more 'exciting' then drivers executing great passes?
The worst part of it to me is adding a DH will do nothing to make baseball more popular. Like it was in the long-long ago. When there was no DH at all.
The team stat with the higest degree of correlation to team wins is OPS. The stat with the second highest is Slugging. (Which is part of OPS.) And strike outs has only a slight negative affect.
Until you make the parks bigger, the mound higher or the ball softer, teams are simply playing the best way to statistically win the game.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on May 18, 2020, 11:03:04 AM
Post by: Henry on May 18, 2020, 11:03:04 AM
I just read an interesting article on how the Browns almost left St. Louis for Los Angeles after the 1941 season ended, but World War II kept that from happening, and of course, the City of Angels would have to wait 17 more years to get a team (the relocated Brooklyn Dodgers being the one). The link below also provides the alternate reality and how the major leagues would've looked today, had it actually been done:
https://www.mlb.com/news/featured/the-story-of-the-los-angeles-browns-changed-baseball-forever
Considering this setup, I find it very intriguing indeed, especially since the Giants-Dodgers rivalry would not take place on the West Coast as it does now, but along the I-35 corridor, and in metropolitan areas that feature splits in that highway (the Twin Cities and the DFW Metroplex).
AL EAST
Baltimore Orioles (1962 expansion team)
Boston Red Sox
New York Yankees
Tampa Bay Rays
Toronto Blue Jays
AL CENTRAL
Atlanta Senators (moved from Washington in 1966)
Chicago White Sox
Cleveland Indians
Detroit Tigers
Kansas City Royals
AL WEST
Houston Astros (1962 expansion team, but in AL)
Los Angeles Browns (moved from St. Louis in 1942)
San Diego Padres (1977 expansion team, but in AL; replaced NL Padres team that relocated to Washington)
San Francisco A's (moved from Philadelphia in 1948; no team in Oakland)
Seattle Pilots (1969 expansion team; with another team in Milwaukee, remains in Seattle today; Mariners don't exist)
NL EAST
Miami Marlins
Montreal Expos (1969 expansion team; with another team in Washington, remains in Montreal today)
New York Mets (1961 expansion team)
Philadelphia Phillies
Washington Stars (moved from San Diego in 1974; Nationals don't exist)
NL CENTRAL
Chicago Cubs
Cincinnati Reds
Milwaukee Braves (with another team in Atlanta, remains in Milwaukee today; Brewers don't exist)
Minnesota Giants (moved from New York in 1954; Twins don't exist)
Pittsburgh Pirates
NL WEST
Arizona Diamondbacks
Colorado Rockies
Dallas Dodgers (moved from Brooklyn in 1958; Texas Rangers don't exist)
Los Angeles Angels (1961 expansion team, but in NL)
St. Louis Cardinals
However, I would've switched the Giants and Cardinals around so that they could still play in the same division as their chief rivals.
And to expand it even further, let's take a look at the four divisions from 1969 to 1993:
AL EAST
Atlanta Senators
Baltimore Orioles
Boston Red Sox
Cleveland Indians
Detroit Tigers
New York Yankees
Toronto Blue Jays (1977)
AL WEST
Chicago White Sox
Houston Astros
Kansas City Royals
Los Angeles Browns
San Francisco A's
Seattle Pilots
San Diego Padres (1977)
NL EAST
Chicago Cubs
Montreal Expos
New York Mets
Philadelphia Phillies
Pittsburgh Pirates
St. Louis Cardinals
Florida/Miami Marlins (1993)
NL WEST
Cincinnati Reds
Dallas Dodgers
Los Angeles Angels
Milwaukee Braves
Minnesota Giants
San Diego Padres (1969)/Washington Stars
Colorado Rockies (1993)
https://www.mlb.com/news/featured/the-story-of-the-los-angeles-browns-changed-baseball-forever
Considering this setup, I find it very intriguing indeed, especially since the Giants-Dodgers rivalry would not take place on the West Coast as it does now, but along the I-35 corridor, and in metropolitan areas that feature splits in that highway (the Twin Cities and the DFW Metroplex).
AL EAST
Baltimore Orioles (1962 expansion team)
Boston Red Sox
New York Yankees
Tampa Bay Rays
Toronto Blue Jays
AL CENTRAL
Atlanta Senators (moved from Washington in 1966)
Chicago White Sox
Cleveland Indians
Detroit Tigers
Kansas City Royals
AL WEST
Houston Astros (1962 expansion team, but in AL)
Los Angeles Browns (moved from St. Louis in 1942)
San Diego Padres (1977 expansion team, but in AL; replaced NL Padres team that relocated to Washington)
San Francisco A's (moved from Philadelphia in 1948; no team in Oakland)
Seattle Pilots (1969 expansion team; with another team in Milwaukee, remains in Seattle today; Mariners don't exist)
NL EAST
Miami Marlins
Montreal Expos (1969 expansion team; with another team in Washington, remains in Montreal today)
New York Mets (1961 expansion team)
Philadelphia Phillies
Washington Stars (moved from San Diego in 1974; Nationals don't exist)
NL CENTRAL
Chicago Cubs
Cincinnati Reds
Milwaukee Braves (with another team in Atlanta, remains in Milwaukee today; Brewers don't exist)
Minnesota Giants (moved from New York in 1954; Twins don't exist)
Pittsburgh Pirates
NL WEST
Arizona Diamondbacks
Colorado Rockies
Dallas Dodgers (moved from Brooklyn in 1958; Texas Rangers don't exist)
Los Angeles Angels (1961 expansion team, but in NL)
St. Louis Cardinals
However, I would've switched the Giants and Cardinals around so that they could still play in the same division as their chief rivals.
And to expand it even further, let's take a look at the four divisions from 1969 to 1993:
AL EAST
Atlanta Senators
Baltimore Orioles
Boston Red Sox
Cleveland Indians
Detroit Tigers
New York Yankees
Toronto Blue Jays (1977)
AL WEST
Chicago White Sox
Houston Astros
Kansas City Royals
Los Angeles Browns
San Francisco A's
Seattle Pilots
San Diego Padres (1977)
NL EAST
Chicago Cubs
Montreal Expos
New York Mets
Philadelphia Phillies
Pittsburgh Pirates
St. Louis Cardinals
Florida/Miami Marlins (1993)
NL WEST
Cincinnati Reds
Dallas Dodgers
Los Angeles Angels
Milwaukee Braves
Minnesota Giants
San Diego Padres (1969)/Washington Stars
Colorado Rockies (1993)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on May 18, 2020, 02:30:13 PM
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on May 18, 2020, 02:30:13 PM
I think if the 1994 strike happened in this timeline as well, the Montreal Expos would be elsewhere now, possibly Portland, Las Vegas, the Hampton Roads or even Monterrey, Mexico. All these cities alongside Washington expressed interest in the team.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 18, 2020, 04:35:55 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 18, 2020, 04:35:55 PM
So I took that Browns moving to Los Angeles in 1942 and played out a different plausible scenario:
1953: Braves still move to Milwaukee, as this was before the Browns moved to Baltimore so assuming that Milwaukee was still the more attractive city
1955: To give the LA Angels (renamed from Browns) a West Coast companion, the A's move to San Francisco instead of Kansas City
1958: With the West Coast already having teams, the Dodgers decide to stay put in Brooklyn and the Giants move to Kansas City
1961: Since LA already has an AL team and Baltimore doesn't, Baltimore gets the other expansion team along with Washington after the first Senators move to Minnesota.
1962: Since the Dodgers never left, Los Angeles gets an expansion team instead of NY, with Houston still getting the other. Dodgers move from Brooklyn to Queens.
1965: Braves still move to Atlanta
1968: Giants move from Kansas City to Oakland
1969: The same four cities get expansion teams, but Kansas City is in the NL with Montreal and San Diego is in the AL with Seattle
1970: Seattle moves to Milwaukee
1971: Washington moves to Texas
1977: Seattle and Toronto still get their expansion teams
1993: Colorado and Florida still get their expansion teams
1997: Tampa Bay and Arizona still get their expansion teams and Milwaukee still moves to the NL
2005: Montreal still moves to Washington
2013: Kansas City moves to the AL instead of Houston
Divisions:
AL East - NY Yankees, Boston Red Sox, Baltimore Orioles, Tampa Bay Rays, Toronto Blue Jays
AL Central - Chicago White Sox, Cleveland Indians, Detroit Tigers, Minnesota Twins, Kansas City Royals
AL West - Los Angeles Angels, Texas Rangers, San Francisco A's, San Diego Padres, Seattle Mariners
NL East - New York Dodgers, Atlanta Braves, Philadelphia Phillies, Washington Nationals, Florida Marlins
NL Central - Saint Louis Cardinals, Cincinnati Reds, Pittsburgh Pirates, Chicago Cubs, Milwaukee Brewers
NL West - Oakland Giants, Los Angeles Kings, Houston Astros, Colorado Rockies, Arizona Diamondbacks
1953: Braves still move to Milwaukee, as this was before the Browns moved to Baltimore so assuming that Milwaukee was still the more attractive city
1955: To give the LA Angels (renamed from Browns) a West Coast companion, the A's move to San Francisco instead of Kansas City
1958: With the West Coast already having teams, the Dodgers decide to stay put in Brooklyn and the Giants move to Kansas City
1961: Since LA already has an AL team and Baltimore doesn't, Baltimore gets the other expansion team along with Washington after the first Senators move to Minnesota.
1962: Since the Dodgers never left, Los Angeles gets an expansion team instead of NY, with Houston still getting the other. Dodgers move from Brooklyn to Queens.
1965: Braves still move to Atlanta
1968: Giants move from Kansas City to Oakland
1969: The same four cities get expansion teams, but Kansas City is in the NL with Montreal and San Diego is in the AL with Seattle
1970: Seattle moves to Milwaukee
1971: Washington moves to Texas
1977: Seattle and Toronto still get their expansion teams
1993: Colorado and Florida still get their expansion teams
1997: Tampa Bay and Arizona still get their expansion teams and Milwaukee still moves to the NL
2005: Montreal still moves to Washington
2013: Kansas City moves to the AL instead of Houston
Divisions:
AL East - NY Yankees, Boston Red Sox, Baltimore Orioles, Tampa Bay Rays, Toronto Blue Jays
AL Central - Chicago White Sox, Cleveland Indians, Detroit Tigers, Minnesota Twins, Kansas City Royals
AL West - Los Angeles Angels, Texas Rangers, San Francisco A's, San Diego Padres, Seattle Mariners
NL East - New York Dodgers, Atlanta Braves, Philadelphia Phillies, Washington Nationals, Florida Marlins
NL Central - Saint Louis Cardinals, Cincinnati Reds, Pittsburgh Pirates, Chicago Cubs, Milwaukee Brewers
NL West - Oakland Giants, Los Angeles Kings, Houston Astros, Colorado Rockies, Arizona Diamondbacks
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on May 20, 2020, 01:38:26 AM
Post by: amroad17 on May 20, 2020, 01:38:26 AM
There was also the possibility that the San Francisco Giants were going to move to Toronto after the 1975 season. With the near re-locations of both San Diego to Washington after the 1974 season and the Giants to Toronto after 1975, the National League would have had a radically different look starting in 1976, if these re-locations did occur--along with a decision on what city would have the 2nd American League expansion team in 1977.
My take...
NL East: NY Mets, Pittsburgh Pirates, Philadelphia Phillies, Montreal Expos, Toronto Giants (or possibly some other team name), Washington Padres/Stars.
NL West: Cincinnati Reds, Los Angeles Dodgers, Atlanta Braves, Houston Astros, Chicago Cubs, St. Louis Cardinals.
As you see, the Cubs and the Cardinals would have probably been shifted to the NL West for both travel purposes and for maintaining their rivalry.
Now, which city would have the 2nd AL expansion team? Obviously, with the Giants leaving San Francisco, that city is out of the equation. San Diego? Maybe--with a decent ownership, however, would the fans endure another few years of "expansion team baseball"? If your team left after six years, probably not. Miami, Tampa Bay? Not sure, as these cities have forever hosted Grapefruit League spring training games and may have developed a "minor league mentality" among MLB executives and owners. After these cities, there were not a lot more possibilities, other than maybe Phoenix.
My scenario would be that Denver may have gotten the 2nd AL expansion team--provided they built a "baseball only" ballpark. The minor league Denver Bears, playing in the American Association, consistently drew good attendance numbers. They did play in Mile High Stadium, though--not an ideal baseball "park".
If a park could have been built in Denver, here is how the AL may have looked in 1977...
AL East: NY Yankees, Boston Red Sox, Baltimore Orioles, Cleveland Indians, Detroit Tigers, Milwaukee Brewers, Chicago White Sox
AL West: Kansas City Royals, Oakland A's, Texas Rangers, California Angels, Minnesota Twins, Seattle Mariners, Denver Bears/Colorado _______.
The White Sox would be the logical team to be moved to the AL East. Plus, someone can fill in the blank for Colorado because, at the time, there was an NHL team called the Colorado Rockies based there in Denver. Or, Denver could have mirrored St. Louis and named both teams the Rockies. Aside: this NHL Rockies team started as the expansion Kansas City Scouts on 1974, then moved to New Jersey in 1982, becoming the NJ Devils.
My take...
NL East: NY Mets, Pittsburgh Pirates, Philadelphia Phillies, Montreal Expos, Toronto Giants (or possibly some other team name), Washington Padres/Stars.
NL West: Cincinnati Reds, Los Angeles Dodgers, Atlanta Braves, Houston Astros, Chicago Cubs, St. Louis Cardinals.
As you see, the Cubs and the Cardinals would have probably been shifted to the NL West for both travel purposes and for maintaining their rivalry.
Now, which city would have the 2nd AL expansion team? Obviously, with the Giants leaving San Francisco, that city is out of the equation. San Diego? Maybe--with a decent ownership, however, would the fans endure another few years of "expansion team baseball"? If your team left after six years, probably not. Miami, Tampa Bay? Not sure, as these cities have forever hosted Grapefruit League spring training games and may have developed a "minor league mentality" among MLB executives and owners. After these cities, there were not a lot more possibilities, other than maybe Phoenix.
My scenario would be that Denver may have gotten the 2nd AL expansion team--provided they built a "baseball only" ballpark. The minor league Denver Bears, playing in the American Association, consistently drew good attendance numbers. They did play in Mile High Stadium, though--not an ideal baseball "park".
If a park could have been built in Denver, here is how the AL may have looked in 1977...
AL East: NY Yankees, Boston Red Sox, Baltimore Orioles, Cleveland Indians, Detroit Tigers, Milwaukee Brewers, Chicago White Sox
AL West: Kansas City Royals, Oakland A's, Texas Rangers, California Angels, Minnesota Twins, Seattle Mariners, Denver Bears/Colorado _______.
The White Sox would be the logical team to be moved to the AL East. Plus, someone can fill in the blank for Colorado because, at the time, there was an NHL team called the Colorado Rockies based there in Denver. Or, Denver could have mirrored St. Louis and named both teams the Rockies. Aside: this NHL Rockies team started as the expansion Kansas City Scouts on 1974, then moved to New Jersey in 1982, becoming the NJ Devils.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 20, 2020, 10:50:14 AM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 20, 2020, 10:50:14 AM
The White Sox also almost moved to Tampa. I think that the Giants also almost moved there.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on May 20, 2020, 11:03:47 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on May 20, 2020, 11:03:47 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on May 20, 2020, 01:38:26 AM
.... Or, Denver could have mirrored St. Louis and named both teams the Rockies. ....
St. Louis didn't "name" the football Cardinals. They had already been named that for many years (pre-dating the NFL itself) when they moved to St. Louis from Chicago in 1960. They didn't change their name when they moved and the baseball team chose not to object to that.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on May 20, 2020, 11:25:49 AM
Post by: Henry on May 20, 2020, 11:25:49 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 20, 2020, 10:50:14 AMI remember hearing about the White Sox relocation plans before the New Comiskey Park saved them. Had the Tampa plan gone through, I would not have been the least bit surprised, seeing that Chicago has only one team in each of the other three pro leagues (Bears, Bulls and Blackhawks); however, it would've done a great disservice to the Second City in the way that having no NL baseball for four years in New York did for that city, and it doesn't matter if the Cubs and Yankees are the more prominent teams in their respective cities.
The White Sox also almost moved to Tampa. I think that the Giants also almost moved there.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 20, 2020, 12:18:19 PM
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 20, 2020, 12:18:19 PM
Despite the Cubs having a larger fan-base, the White Sox have a pretty huge following. And weren't they the more popular team prior to the Cubs being owned by the Tribune and having all of their games broadcast on WGN?
The White Sox played a few home games in Milwaukee in the 60s to both show that Milwaukee was still a viable alternative as a baseball city, and because they drew pretty large crowds.
The White Sox played a few home games in Milwaukee in the 60s to both show that Milwaukee was still a viable alternative as a baseball city, and because they drew pretty large crowds.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 20, 2020, 12:27:18 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 20, 2020, 12:27:18 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 20, 2020, 12:18:19 PM
Despite the Cubs having a larger fan-base, the White Sox have a pretty huge following. And weren't they the more popular team prior to the Cubs being owned by the Tribune and having all of their games broadcast on WGN?
The White Sox played a few home games in Milwaukee in the 60s to both show that Milwaukee was still a viable alternative as a baseball city, and because they drew pretty large crowds.
Historically, the popularity of both teams ebbed and flowed. In 1982, the Sox moved a good chunk of their schedule to a pay TV sports station. By 1984, the Cubs were the more popular team and never looked back.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 20, 2020, 01:22:27 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 20, 2020, 01:22:27 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 20, 2020, 12:27:18 PMSports teams really suffer when they don't make their games readily available. See Blackhawks.Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 20, 2020, 12:18:19 PM
Despite the Cubs having a larger fan-base, the White Sox have a pretty huge following. And weren't they the more popular team prior to the Cubs being owned by the Tribune and having all of their games broadcast on WGN?
The White Sox played a few home games in Milwaukee in the 60s to both show that Milwaukee was still a viable alternative as a baseball city, and because they drew pretty large crowds.
Historically, the popularity of both teams ebbed and flowed. In 1982, the Sox moved a good chunk of their schedule to a pay TV sports station. By 1984, the Cubs were the more popular team and never looked back.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 20, 2020, 01:51:08 PM
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 20, 2020, 01:51:08 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 20, 2020, 01:22:27 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on May 20, 2020, 12:27:18 PMSports teams really suffer when they don't make their games readily available. See Blackhawks.Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 20, 2020, 12:18:19 PM
Despite the Cubs having a larger fan-base, the White Sox have a pretty huge following. And weren't they the more popular team prior to the Cubs being owned by the Tribune and having all of their games broadcast on WGN?
The White Sox played a few home games in Milwaukee in the 60s to both show that Milwaukee was still a viable alternative as a baseball city, and because they drew pretty large crowds.
Historically, the popularity of both teams ebbed and flowed. In 1982, the Sox moved a good chunk of their schedule to a pay TV sports station. By 1984, the Cubs were the more popular team and never looked back.
That is a fairly recent phenominon. When I was growing up, the local television only showed Brewer games when they were on the road. MAYBE once or twice a year they would broadcast a home game. When they had a nationally televised home game on the weekend, it was a big deal.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 20, 2020, 02:17:14 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 20, 2020, 02:17:14 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 20, 2020, 01:51:08 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on May 20, 2020, 01:22:27 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on May 20, 2020, 12:27:18 PMSports teams really suffer when they don't make their games readily available. See Blackhawks.Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 20, 2020, 12:18:19 PM
Despite the Cubs having a larger fan-base, the White Sox have a pretty huge following. And weren't they the more popular team prior to the Cubs being owned by the Tribune and having all of their games broadcast on WGN?
The White Sox played a few home games in Milwaukee in the 60s to both show that Milwaukee was still a viable alternative as a baseball city, and because they drew pretty large crowds.
Historically, the popularity of both teams ebbed and flowed. In 1982, the Sox moved a good chunk of their schedule to a pay TV sports station. By 1984, the Cubs were the more popular team and never looked back.
That is a fairly recent phenominon. When I was growing up, the local television only showed Brewer games when they were on the road. MAYBE once or twice a year they would broadcast a home game. When they had a nationally televised home game on the weekend, it was a big deal.
Yes, but in the case of the Sox, they took something that was widely available and seriously curtailed its availability. That's going to have a much more negative impact than never having had it be widely available.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Bruce on May 20, 2020, 08:20:19 PM
Post by: Bruce on May 20, 2020, 08:20:19 PM
If you have over 3.5 hours of spare time, the John Bois six-part series on Mariners history is a masterpiece.
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Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alex on May 21, 2020, 12:00:58 AM
Post by: Alex on May 21, 2020, 12:00:58 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 20, 2020, 10:50:14 AM
The White Sox also almost moved to Tampa. I think that the Giants also almost moved there.
There were some efforts to relocate the Giants to Tampa. Those were officially dead in 1993.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on May 21, 2020, 06:23:38 AM
Post by: amroad17 on May 21, 2020, 06:23:38 AM
I have the 1992 Sports Illustrated Year in Review Book, which discussed the potential Giants re-location to the Tampa Bay area. In the story, it was written that if the Giants did move there that "they would be playing in the God-awful Suncoast Dome" in St. Petersburg. I still get a kick out of that line. :D
Oh yeah, remember when MLB was seriously considering contracting. They were attempting to contract Montreal and Minnesota and going back to 28 teams instead of 30. Good thing that did not happen--especially for Nationals fans (looking at you 1995hoo). Although I am a Yankees fan (since 1975), the Nationals are my favorite NL team. And yes, I am a Redskins fan.
Oh yeah, remember when MLB was seriously considering contracting. They were attempting to contract Montreal and Minnesota and going back to 28 teams instead of 30. Good thing that did not happen--especially for Nationals fans (looking at you 1995hoo). Although I am a Yankees fan (since 1975), the Nationals are my favorite NL team. And yes, I am a Redskins fan.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2020, 10:39:18 AM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2020, 10:39:18 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on May 21, 2020, 06:23:38 AMContracting? Was the league really doing that badly?
I have the 1992 Sports Illustrated Year in Review Book, which discussed the potential Giants re-location to the Tampa Bay area. In the story, it was written that if the Giants did move there that "they would be playing in the God-awful Suncoast Dome" in St. Petersburg. I still get a kick out of that line. :D
Oh yeah, remember when MLB was seriously considering contracting. They were attempting to contract Montreal and Minnesota and going back to 28 teams instead of 30. Good thing that did not happen--especially for Nationals fans (looking at you 1995hoo). Although I am a Yankees fan (since 1975), the Nationals are my favorite NL team. And yes, I am a Redskins fan.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 21, 2020, 10:44:11 AM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 21, 2020, 10:44:11 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2020, 10:39:18 AMQuote from: amroad17 on May 21, 2020, 06:23:38 AMContracting? Was the league really doing that badly?
I have the 1992 Sports Illustrated Year in Review Book, which discussed the potential Giants re-location to the Tampa Bay area. In the story, it was written that if the Giants did move there that "they would be playing in the God-awful Suncoast Dome" in St. Petersburg. I still get a kick out of that line. :D
Oh yeah, remember when MLB was seriously considering contracting. They were attempting to contract Montreal and Minnesota and going back to 28 teams instead of 30. Good thing that did not happen--especially for Nationals fans (looking at you 1995hoo). Although I am a Yankees fan (since 1975), the Nationals are my favorite NL team. And yes, I am a Redskins fan.
Yes, post strike baseball was doing terrible. Big market teams essentially were buying championships and a couple small market clubs came close to going away. The Twins ended up having some really good teams right around then and managed to get a new stadium. The Expos went on life support by the MLB and ended up in Washington. The Expos had a really good thing going in Montreal for awhile but drove all their fans away with constant tanking.
Like it or not what got people really interested in baseball again was all the home run record chases. For as much as some of the steroid era players are vilified they did get people watching again. Post 9/11 there was an all time classic World Series between the Diamondbacks and Yankees which also helped.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 21, 2020, 10:49:35 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 21, 2020, 10:49:35 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 21, 2020, 10:44:11 AMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2020, 10:39:18 AMQuote from: amroad17 on May 21, 2020, 06:23:38 AMContracting? Was the league really doing that badly?
I have the 1992 Sports Illustrated Year in Review Book, which discussed the potential Giants re-location to the Tampa Bay area. In the story, it was written that if the Giants did move there that "they would be playing in the God-awful Suncoast Dome" in St. Petersburg. I still get a kick out of that line. :D
Oh yeah, remember when MLB was seriously considering contracting. They were attempting to contract Montreal and Minnesota and going back to 28 teams instead of 30. Good thing that did not happen--especially for Nationals fans (looking at you 1995hoo). Although I am a Yankees fan (since 1975), the Nationals are my favorite NL team. And yes, I am a Redskins fan.
Yes, post strike baseball was doing terrible. Big market teams essentially were buying championships and a couple small market clubs came close to going away. The Twins ended up having some really good teams right around then and managed to get a new stadium. The Expos went on life support by the MLB and ended up in Washington. The Expos had a really good thing going in Montreal for awhile but drove all their fans away with constant tanking.
Like it or not what got people really interested in baseball again was all the home run record chases. For as much as some of the steroid era players are vilified they did get people watching again. Post 9/11 there was an all time classic World Series between the Diamondbacks and Yankees which also helped.
There is still a big market/small market problem. Unlike the NFL, where the league owns and sells the rights to every game, and distributes the money evenly, in baseball the league only owns the rights to the postseason, Sunday night (ESPN) and Saturday afternoon/evening (FOX) games. The rights to the rest of the games are owned and sold by the individual teams. The big market teams make far, far more money in TV revenue than the small market teams. Yes, there are competitive balance draft picks and luxury tax redistributions, but under the current system the Rays are never going to be able to afford the payroll that the Yankees can. MLB needs to completely restructure to centralize the sale of and distribution of revenue from TV rights to all games. This wouldn't necessarily mean that your local team's broadcasts would change, just that the money would be distributed more equitably.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 21, 2020, 10:51:15 AM
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 21, 2020, 10:51:15 AM
The contraction plan was from 2001. It was a few seasons after the steroid fueled home run chasing and well into the Yankees run, which brought as many fans back to baseball as anything.
It was all about leveraging new stadium deals in Minnesota and Montreal.
It was all about leveraging new stadium deals in Minnesota and Montreal.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on May 21, 2020, 11:13:13 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on May 21, 2020, 11:13:13 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2020, 10:49:35 AM
There is still a big market/small market problem. Unlike the NFL, where the league owns and sells the rights to every game, and distributes the money evenly, in baseball the league only owns the rights to the postseason, Sunday night (ESPN) and Saturday afternoon/evening (FOX) games. The rights to the rest of the games are owned and sold by the individual teams. The big market teams make far, far more money in TV revenue than the small market teams. Yes, there are competitive balance draft picks and luxury tax redistributions, but under the current system the Rays are never going to be able to afford the payroll that the Yankees can. MLB needs to completely restructure to centralize the sale of and distribution of revenue from TV rights to all games. This wouldn't necessarily mean that your local team's broadcasts would change, just that the money would be distributed more equitably.
To be fair, the NFL is the only major American pro sports league in which the league controls all broadcast rights. The NHL and the NBA teams all have local broadcast deals as well (as was mentioned by someone on this forum recently in connection with the late Blackhawks' owner's intransigence as to local broadcasts of home games). It makes sense to me that centrally-controlled broadcast rights work better for the NFL than for the other leagues due to the differing schedules. NFL teams play far fewer games on fewer nights a week, with most games concentrated on a single day of the week. Baseball teams play almost every day, subject to CBA provisions about how often a team must get a day off. NHL teams play up to four nights a week (the CBA prohibits a team from playing on three consecutive days). I don't know what the NBA rule is, but it's closer to the NHL's scheduling than it is to the NFL's.
Long way of saying, the other three leagues aside from the NFL have way more games to air, so it makes sense for there to be local broadcast deals in a way the NFL does not have nor need. I'd like to see the MLB office take over the streaming rights. Right now there are three teams whose games cannot be streamed in their local broadcast areas unless the customer jumps through some technical hoops to get around MLB.tv blackouts; two of those teams are Baltimore and Washington, this because the owner up in Baltimore controls a majority stake in MASN and is afraid to allow streaming because he knows it'll show his team has far lower viewership than the Nats do. It's a pain in the arse for those of us who have dropped conventional satellite or cable TV and there's no good reason for it other than his attempt to maintain a litigating position.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 21, 2020, 11:45:03 AM
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 21, 2020, 11:45:03 AM
Of course local TV deals make sense. The question is whether or not the revenue for such deals should be shared in some way.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 21, 2020, 12:17:40 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 21, 2020, 12:17:40 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2020, 10:49:35 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on May 21, 2020, 10:44:11 AMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2020, 10:39:18 AMQuote from: amroad17 on May 21, 2020, 06:23:38 AMContracting? Was the league really doing that badly?
I have the 1992 Sports Illustrated Year in Review Book, which discussed the potential Giants re-location to the Tampa Bay area. In the story, it was written that if the Giants did move there that "they would be playing in the God-awful Suncoast Dome" in St. Petersburg. I still get a kick out of that line. :D
Oh yeah, remember when MLB was seriously considering contracting. They were attempting to contract Montreal and Minnesota and going back to 28 teams instead of 30. Good thing that did not happen--especially for Nationals fans (looking at you 1995hoo). Although I am a Yankees fan (since 1975), the Nationals are my favorite NL team. And yes, I am a Redskins fan.
Yes, post strike baseball was doing terrible. Big market teams essentially were buying championships and a couple small market clubs came close to going away. The Twins ended up having some really good teams right around then and managed to get a new stadium. The Expos went on life support by the MLB and ended up in Washington. The Expos had a really good thing going in Montreal for awhile but drove all their fans away with constant tanking.
Like it or not what got people really interested in baseball again was all the home run record chases. For as much as some of the steroid era players are vilified they did get people watching again. Post 9/11 there was an all time classic World Series between the Diamondbacks and Yankees which also helped.
There is still a big market/small market problem. Unlike the NFL, where the league owns and sells the rights to every game, and distributes the money evenly, in baseball the league only owns the rights to the postseason, Sunday night (ESPN) and Saturday afternoon/evening (FOX) games. The rights to the rest of the games are owned and sold by the individual teams. The big market teams make far, far more money in TV revenue than the small market teams. Yes, there are competitive balance draft picks and luxury tax redistributions, but under the current system the Rays are never going to be able to afford the payroll that the Yankees can. MLB needs to completely restructure to centralize the sale of and distribution of revenue from TV rights to all games. This wouldn't necessarily mean that your local team's broadcasts would change, just that the money would be distributed more equitably.
I agree, that's been probably one of the biggest reasons the NFL took off. Every team regardless of market has a legitimate chance of fielding a top level team. A salary cap would help too but it would never get approved by the MLB Players Union.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2020, 12:30:42 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2020, 12:30:42 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 21, 2020, 12:17:40 PMDoes the MLB have full revenue sharing?Quote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2020, 10:49:35 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on May 21, 2020, 10:44:11 AMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2020, 10:39:18 AMQuote from: amroad17 on May 21, 2020, 06:23:38 AMContracting? Was the league really doing that badly?
I have the 1992 Sports Illustrated Year in Review Book, which discussed the potential Giants re-location to the Tampa Bay area. In the story, it was written that if the Giants did move there that "they would be playing in the God-awful Suncoast Dome" in St. Petersburg. I still get a kick out of that line. :D
Oh yeah, remember when MLB was seriously considering contracting. They were attempting to contract Montreal and Minnesota and going back to 28 teams instead of 30. Good thing that did not happen--especially for Nationals fans (looking at you 1995hoo). Although I am a Yankees fan (since 1975), the Nationals are my favorite NL team. And yes, I am a Redskins fan.
Yes, post strike baseball was doing terrible. Big market teams essentially were buying championships and a couple small market clubs came close to going away. The Twins ended up having some really good teams right around then and managed to get a new stadium. The Expos went on life support by the MLB and ended up in Washington. The Expos had a really good thing going in Montreal for awhile but drove all their fans away with constant tanking.
Like it or not what got people really interested in baseball again was all the home run record chases. For as much as some of the steroid era players are vilified they did get people watching again. Post 9/11 there was an all time classic World Series between the Diamondbacks and Yankees which also helped.
There is still a big market/small market problem. Unlike the NFL, where the league owns and sells the rights to every game, and distributes the money evenly, in baseball the league only owns the rights to the postseason, Sunday night (ESPN) and Saturday afternoon/evening (FOX) games. The rights to the rest of the games are owned and sold by the individual teams. The big market teams make far, far more money in TV revenue than the small market teams. Yes, there are competitive balance draft picks and luxury tax redistributions, but under the current system the Rays are never going to be able to afford the payroll that the Yankees can. MLB needs to completely restructure to centralize the sale of and distribution of revenue from TV rights to all games. This wouldn't necessarily mean that your local team's broadcasts would change, just that the money would be distributed more equitably.
I agree, that's been probably one of the biggest reasons the NFL took off. Every team regardless of market has a legitimate chance of fielding a top level team. A salary cap would help too but it would never get approved by the MLB Players Union.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 21, 2020, 01:31:19 PM
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 21, 2020, 01:31:19 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 21, 2020, 12:17:40 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2020, 10:49:35 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on May 21, 2020, 10:44:11 AMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2020, 10:39:18 AMQuote from: amroad17 on May 21, 2020, 06:23:38 AMContracting? Was the league really doing that badly?
I have the 1992 Sports Illustrated Year in Review Book, which discussed the potential Giants re-location to the Tampa Bay area. In the story, it was written that if the Giants did move there that "they would be playing in the God-awful Suncoast Dome" in St. Petersburg. I still get a kick out of that line. :D
Oh yeah, remember when MLB was seriously considering contracting. They were attempting to contract Montreal and Minnesota and going back to 28 teams instead of 30. Good thing that did not happen--especially for Nationals fans (looking at you 1995hoo). Although I am a Yankees fan (since 1975), the Nationals are my favorite NL team. And yes, I am a Redskins fan.
Yes, post strike baseball was doing terrible. Big market teams essentially were buying championships and a couple small market clubs came close to going away. The Twins ended up having some really good teams right around then and managed to get a new stadium. The Expos went on life support by the MLB and ended up in Washington. The Expos had a really good thing going in Montreal for awhile but drove all their fans away with constant tanking.
Like it or not what got people really interested in baseball again was all the home run record chases. For as much as some of the steroid era players are vilified they did get people watching again. Post 9/11 there was an all time classic World Series between the Diamondbacks and Yankees which also helped.
There is still a big market/small market problem. Unlike the NFL, where the league owns and sells the rights to every game, and distributes the money evenly, in baseball the league only owns the rights to the postseason, Sunday night (ESPN) and Saturday afternoon/evening (FOX) games. The rights to the rest of the games are owned and sold by the individual teams. The big market teams make far, far more money in TV revenue than the small market teams. Yes, there are competitive balance draft picks and luxury tax redistributions, but under the current system the Rays are never going to be able to afford the payroll that the Yankees can. MLB needs to completely restructure to centralize the sale of and distribution of revenue from TV rights to all games. This wouldn't necessarily mean that your local team's broadcasts would change, just that the money would be distributed more equitably.
I agree, that's been probably one of the biggest reasons the NFL took off. Every team regardless of market has a legitimate chance of fielding a top level team. A salary cap would help too but it would never get approved by the MLB Players Union.
With the increasing amount of club control and luxury tax, those are acting like salary caps in many ways. Also owners are getting out of the habit of paying for past performance. Look at the Nationals winning the WS after declining to sign Bryce Harper.
Every current AL team has played in the ALCS since 2000. All NL teams except the Reds, Padres and Pirates have as well. So 27/30 teams (90%) have reached the semifinals over the last 20 years.
That's a higher percentage than the NFL and NBA.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on May 26, 2020, 09:38:41 AM
Post by: ET21 on May 26, 2020, 09:38:41 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 20, 2020, 12:27:18 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on May 20, 2020, 12:18:19 PM
Despite the Cubs having a larger fan-base, the White Sox have a pretty huge following. And weren't they the more popular team prior to the Cubs being owned by the Tribune and having all of their games broadcast on WGN?
The White Sox played a few home games in Milwaukee in the 60s to both show that Milwaukee was still a viable alternative as a baseball city, and because they drew pretty large crowds.
Historically, the popularity of both teams ebbed and flowed. In 1982, the Sox moved a good chunk of their schedule to a pay TV sports station. By 1984, the Cubs were the more popular team and never looked back.
CWS became the popular team from the 05 WS to about 2010 when we finally tanked hardcore into the cellar. The Cubs took over as the more popular team probably about 2013-14ish when you started seeing signs of what they were building. So I'd say from 2013 on it's been a majority Cubs town but you could argue about 2010-12 as well.
But now the fans are getting restless after only one title in 5 years with that core. And as the Sox begin bringing up their own young core, you may see a slight shift or a renewed City Series as both teams compete for the postseason. I miss the late 2000s because the rivalry between north and south was heated as both teams were contending for playoff spots.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 26, 2020, 10:06:43 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 26, 2020, 10:06:43 AM
Quote from: ET21 on May 26, 2020, 09:38:41 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on May 20, 2020, 12:27:18 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on May 20, 2020, 12:18:19 PM
Despite the Cubs having a larger fan-base, the White Sox have a pretty huge following. And weren't they the more popular team prior to the Cubs being owned by the Tribune and having all of their games broadcast on WGN?
The White Sox played a few home games in Milwaukee in the 60s to both show that Milwaukee was still a viable alternative as a baseball city, and because they drew pretty large crowds.
Historically, the popularity of both teams ebbed and flowed. In 1982, the Sox moved a good chunk of their schedule to a pay TV sports station. By 1984, the Cubs were the more popular team and never looked back.
CWS became the popular team from the 05 WS to about 2010 when we finally tanked hardcore into the cellar. The Cubs took over as the more popular team probably about 2013-14ish when you started seeing signs of what they were building. So I'd say from 2013 on it's been a majority Cubs town but you could argue about 2010-12 as well.
But now the fans are getting restless after only one title in 5 years with that core. And as the Sox begin bringing up their own young core, you may see a slight shift or a renewed City Series as both teams compete for the postseason. I miss the late 2000s because the rivalry between north and south was heated as both teams were contending for playoff spots.
This may be one of those hindsight is 20/20 things, but it was a huge mistake to build the new park in 1991 in the same location. Plenty of people were noting that the South Loop was an area where land was still fairly cheap but was likely to take off soon (which it did).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 26, 2020, 10:51:47 AM
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 26, 2020, 10:51:47 AM
Quote from: ET21 on May 26, 2020, 09:38:41 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on May 20, 2020, 12:27:18 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on May 20, 2020, 12:18:19 PM
Despite the Cubs having a larger fan-base, the White Sox have a pretty huge following. And weren't they the more popular team prior to the Cubs being owned by the Tribune and having all of their games broadcast on WGN?
The White Sox played a few home games in Milwaukee in the 60s to both show that Milwaukee was still a viable alternative as a baseball city, and because they drew pretty large crowds.
Historically, the popularity of both teams ebbed and flowed. In 1982, the Sox moved a good chunk of their schedule to a pay TV sports station. By 1984, the Cubs were the more popular team and never looked back.
CWS became the popular team from the 05 WS to about 2010 when we finally tanked hardcore into the cellar. The Cubs took over as the more popular team probably about 2013-14ish when you started seeing signs of what they were building. So I'd say from 2013 on it's been a majority Cubs town but you could argue about 2010-12 as well.
But now the fans are getting restless after only one title in 5 years with that core. And as the Sox begin bringing up their own young core, you may see a slight shift or a renewed City Series as both teams compete for the postseason. I miss the late 2000s because the rivalry between north and south was heated as both teams were contending for playoff spots.
Really? I never once thought in the late 2000s that Chicago was turning into a Sox town. The Cubs still outdrew the Sox attendance wise throughout that entire time, and my guess is that the TV and radio numbers were similar.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 27, 2020, 12:30:04 PM
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 27, 2020, 12:30:04 PM
MLB owners proposal provides an overall cut from the pro-rata salaries that the Union already agreed to, but in a clear attempt to dividde the players, is giving percentage-wise the largest cuts to those players who make the most.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29224973/sources-mlb-proposal-includes-pay-cuts-highest-paid-players
No chance I would agree to this if I were a player. And if I'm one of the higher paid ones, I'd skip the season if this is approved.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29224973/sources-mlb-proposal-includes-pay-cuts-highest-paid-players
No chance I would agree to this if I were a player. And if I'm one of the higher paid ones, I'd skip the season if this is approved.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on May 29, 2020, 09:32:22 AM
Post by: Henry on May 29, 2020, 09:32:22 AM
Here's another sign that we won't have any minor-league baseball this year:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/report-hundreds-of-minor-leaguers-released-season-in-peril/ar-BB14JiBU?ocid=msedgntp
As much as it hurts having to hear about MLB's ongoing labor war, this is even worse.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/report-hundreds-of-minor-leaguers-released-season-in-peril/ar-BB14JiBU?ocid=msedgntp
As much as it hurts having to hear about MLB's ongoing labor war, this is even worse.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on June 05, 2020, 11:28:17 AM
Post by: Henry on June 05, 2020, 11:28:17 AM
The 2020 MLB season is pretty much dead, thanks to this latest bit of bad news:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/mlbpa-mlbs-demand-for-additional-concessions-was-resoundingly-rejected/ar-BB153z6r?ocid=msedgntp
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/mlbpa-mlbs-demand-for-additional-concessions-was-resoundingly-rejected/ar-BB153z6r?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: TravelingBethelite on June 05, 2020, 11:46:15 AM
Post by: TravelingBethelite on June 05, 2020, 11:46:15 AM
Quote from: Henry on June 05, 2020, 11:28:17 AM
The 2020 MLB season is pretty much dead, thanks to this latest bit of bad news:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/mlbpa-mlbs-demand-for-additional-concessions-was-resoundingly-rejected/ar-BB153z6r?ocid=msedgntp
If it had taken this long to negotiate, the season was doomed from the start. Even before the negotiations began, I thought it wasn't worth the effort and that they should just call it a wash.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tchafe1978 on June 05, 2020, 04:27:26 PM
Post by: tchafe1978 on June 05, 2020, 04:27:26 PM
The players union and the owners still haven't learned their lesson from 1994, I see. Neither side is willing to compromise.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 05, 2020, 04:47:58 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 05, 2020, 04:47:58 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on June 05, 2020, 04:27:26 PM
The players union and the owners still haven't learned their lesson from 1994, I see. Neither side is willing to compromise.
Neither seems to get that they'll be the odd man out and really piss off a lot of the sports viewing public. While I understand not wanting to be short changed on pay I also find the argument that baseball players are in greater danger than players in other leagues to be total BS. Hockey, Soccer, and Basketball has far more close physical contact than Baseball does.
I hate to make this comparison but there are a ton of people in the general public working for a lot less than a prorated professional sports salary than face way more exposure. It seems like weak sauce that the parties can't come together to at least get SOME season going when everyone else in the sports world is doing that.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 05, 2020, 05:04:04 PM
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 05, 2020, 05:04:04 PM
Probably because NBA owners are paying most of the salaries. They withheld 25% in May and June, but it is slated to go back up later in the year once the playoffs get rolling. I believe the NHL players were not paid their final paycheck but the NHL will do so provided they move forward with playoffs.
But in baseball, the owners want to play less games and pay the players for less than the prorated games they play.
IMO, this is all about breaking the union.
But in baseball, the owners want to play less games and pay the players for less than the prorated games they play.
IMO, this is all about breaking the union.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 05, 2020, 05:09:54 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 05, 2020, 05:09:54 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 05, 2020, 05:04:04 PM
Probably because NBA owners are paying most of the salaries. They withheld 25% in May and June, but it is slated to go back up later in the year once the playoffs get rolling. I believe the NHL players were not paid their final paycheck but the NHL will do so provided they move forward with playoffs.
But in baseball, the owners want to play less games and pay the players for less than the prorated games they play.
IMO, this is all about breaking the union.
Either way, it is a absolute horrible look for Baseball in general regardless of what either party wants. Nobody will come out the back side of no season cleanly and the sport will probably only lose more ground to it's competitors. People might not really remember but 1994 post-strike MLB is just a shadow of what it once was.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on June 05, 2020, 10:41:01 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on June 05, 2020, 10:41:01 PM
I remember.
That strike totally disillusioned me. My baseball fandom crashed and took a decade to recover. I may have only been a kid, but I was hurt by it.
I didn't really come back to baseball until I moved to Milwaukee as a drinking-age adult. It helped that the Brewers had a long overdue resurgence in the late 00's, but cancelling the World Series turned me off of the sport for a long time. Many of my peers did not come back, as indicated by the data.
It sucks, too because baseball was riding high in the early 90's. Star Trek even speculated that there would be a dominate MLB team in London in the early 21st Century. But the strike torpedoed it all. Suddenly, baseball wasn't as cool. I watched it crash among my peers and myself. If they're not going to play this year at all because of more bullcrap about money (instead of the virus) then they will see yet another slump in interest among young people like I saw in the 90's. And they never fully recovered from the aftermath of 30 years ago, in my assessment.
This was a baseball country up until 1994. The strike seeded the mantle of "America's Sport" to football. I don't know what the data says about that, but my assessment is what it felt like as a kid in the 90's. The last gasp to me is when TBS stopped airing Braves games. I wasn't a fan of them (in fact I inherited resentment from my father because they left Milwaukee) but at least I could spend a lazy summer afternoon watching baseball on basic cable in the era before every team got their own network. We can bemoan the exclusive broadcast deals, but the fact was, interest had waned and there were not the ratings for TBS or WGN to air baseball compared to reruns of Friends or whatever.
So with that perspective, I see MLB diligently sawing off its nose to spite its face and the consequences will be another decade-long dip in public interest. No wussy DH changes are going to fix that.
That strike totally disillusioned me. My baseball fandom crashed and took a decade to recover. I may have only been a kid, but I was hurt by it.
I didn't really come back to baseball until I moved to Milwaukee as a drinking-age adult. It helped that the Brewers had a long overdue resurgence in the late 00's, but cancelling the World Series turned me off of the sport for a long time. Many of my peers did not come back, as indicated by the data.
It sucks, too because baseball was riding high in the early 90's. Star Trek even speculated that there would be a dominate MLB team in London in the early 21st Century. But the strike torpedoed it all. Suddenly, baseball wasn't as cool. I watched it crash among my peers and myself. If they're not going to play this year at all because of more bullcrap about money (instead of the virus) then they will see yet another slump in interest among young people like I saw in the 90's. And they never fully recovered from the aftermath of 30 years ago, in my assessment.
This was a baseball country up until 1994. The strike seeded the mantle of "America's Sport" to football. I don't know what the data says about that, but my assessment is what it felt like as a kid in the 90's. The last gasp to me is when TBS stopped airing Braves games. I wasn't a fan of them (in fact I inherited resentment from my father because they left Milwaukee) but at least I could spend a lazy summer afternoon watching baseball on basic cable in the era before every team got their own network. We can bemoan the exclusive broadcast deals, but the fact was, interest had waned and there were not the ratings for TBS or WGN to air baseball compared to reruns of Friends or whatever.
So with that perspective, I see MLB diligently sawing off its nose to spite its face and the consequences will be another decade-long dip in public interest. No wussy DH changes are going to fix that.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 06, 2020, 08:36:21 AM
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 06, 2020, 08:36:21 AM
Baseball had long been the second sport in the United States behind football prior to the mid 90s. There were a lot of people worried about the television ratings and attendance long before the strike. I would say that the NFL became a more dominant force sometime in the late 70s or early 80s.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 08:46:01 AM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 08:46:01 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 06, 2020, 08:36:21 AM
Baseball had long been the second sport in the United States behind football prior to the mid 90s. There were a lot of people worried about the television ratings and attendance long before the strike. I would say that the NFL became a more dominant force sometime in the late 70s or early 80s.
To that end, I'm curious as to how close it is to losing ground to the NBA in viewership and revenue per game? It certainly feels like in the circles I'm in that baseball is still the more important sport out west but I can't imagine that sentiment is the same the further East one goes.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on June 06, 2020, 10:27:23 AM
Post by: mgk920 on June 06, 2020, 10:27:23 AM
Also to fútbol - I have been seeing an amazing surge of interest in European and Mexican football over at least the past decade or so, with the ease of on-line access to the Premier League, Bundesliga, La Liga, etc and their games being readily available on various TV feeds in North America. And by the nature of these federations with their team promotion and relegation, there are no dangers of labor-related season stoppages, teams packing up and moving to different markets, etc.
The game itself is very accessible to the younger crowd, especially, in that the playing rules are so dirt simple, everyone on the field has multitudes of opportunities to meaningfully handle the ball, the constant physical activity is a great way to blow off steam and they have the great latitude to be able to develop their own distinct playing styles and a deep, lifelong love of the game.
The Baseball Gods must be on guard for this. :poke:
Mike
The game itself is very accessible to the younger crowd, especially, in that the playing rules are so dirt simple, everyone on the field has multitudes of opportunities to meaningfully handle the ball, the constant physical activity is a great way to blow off steam and they have the great latitude to be able to develop their own distinct playing styles and a deep, lifelong love of the game.
The Baseball Gods must be on guard for this. :poke:
Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 11:36:40 AM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 11:36:40 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 08:46:01 AMI here so much more about the NBA and it's players than the MLB and it's not even close. In the media at least, NBA seems to rival NFL.Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 06, 2020, 08:36:21 AM
Baseball had long been the second sport in the United States behind football prior to the mid 90s. There were a lot of people worried about the television ratings and attendance long before the strike. I would say that the NFL became a more dominant force sometime in the late 70s or early 80s.
To that end, I'm curious as to how close it is to losing ground to the NBA in viewership and revenue per game? It certainly feels like in the circles I'm in that baseball is still the more important sport out west but I can't imagine that sentiment is the same the further East one goes.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 06, 2020, 12:18:57 PM
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 06, 2020, 12:18:57 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 11:36:40 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 08:46:01 AMI here so much more about the NBA and it's players than the MLB and it's not even close. In the media at least, NBA seems to rival NFL.Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 06, 2020, 08:36:21 AM
Baseball had long been the second sport in the United States behind football prior to the mid 90s. There were a lot of people worried about the television ratings and attendance long before the strike. I would say that the NFL became a more dominant force sometime in the late 70s or early 80s.
To that end, I'm curious as to how close it is to losing ground to the NBA in viewership and revenue per game? It certainly feels like in the circles I'm in that baseball is still the more important sport out west but I can't imagine that sentiment is the same the further East one goes.
That is because ESPN has decided to cover the NBA more than MLB. Outside of Sunday Night Baseball, MLB does not matter much to ESPN these days.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: webny99 on June 06, 2020, 12:22:44 PM
Post by: webny99 on June 06, 2020, 12:22:44 PM
Yeah, it sure seems like NFL>NBA>MLB>NHL.
I'm not really a huge sports follower but it seems like the NBA has been on a upward trajectory, it certainly hasn't always been more popular than MLB, even going back 15-20 years it probably wasn't.
I'm not really a huge sports follower but it seems like the NBA has been on a upward trajectory, it certainly hasn't always been more popular than MLB, even going back 15-20 years it probably wasn't.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 12:43:23 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 12:43:23 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on June 06, 2020, 12:18:57 PMAlso MLB players are just so much less famous than NBA players, everyone knows Lebron, not everyone knows Mike Trout.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 11:36:40 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 08:46:01 AMI here so much more about the NBA and it's players than the MLB and it's not even close. In the media at least, NBA seems to rival NFL.Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 06, 2020, 08:36:21 AM
Baseball had long been the second sport in the United States behind football prior to the mid 90s. There were a lot of people worried about the television ratings and attendance long before the strike. I would say that the NFL became a more dominant force sometime in the late 70s or early 80s.
To that end, I'm curious as to how close it is to losing ground to the NBA in viewership and revenue per game? It certainly feels like in the circles I'm in that baseball is still the more important sport out west but I can't imagine that sentiment is the same the further East one goes.
That is because ESPN has decided to cover the NBA more than MLB. Outside of Sunday Night Baseball, MLB does not matter much to ESPN these days.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 06, 2020, 01:11:42 PM
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 06, 2020, 01:11:42 PM
The NBA has the youngest viewership of the major sports by a bunch. MLB has the oldest. Not surprising to see why the differences on how it's covered.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 06, 2020, 08:07:38 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 06, 2020, 08:07:38 PM
Quote from: webny99 on June 06, 2020, 12:22:44 PM
Yeah, it sure seems like NFL>NBA>MLB>NHL.
How long before it became NFL>NBA>NHL>MLB? And where we put MLS in this?
I still have a grudge against Donald Fehr for his idea to strike in 1994, the years where the Expos had a chance to go far, what a coincidence. :angry:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 08:13:35 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 08:13:35 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on June 06, 2020, 08:07:38 PMQuote from: webny99 on June 06, 2020, 12:22:44 PM
Yeah, it sure seems like NFL>NBA>MLB>NHL.
How long before it became NFL>NBA>NHL>MLB? And where we put MLS in this?
I still have a grudge against Donald Fehr for his idea to strike in 1994, the years where the Expos had a chance to go far, what a coincidence. :angry:
As much as I love hockey it will never surpass baseball in the American sports scene. The only reason I probably even got into hockey was simply due to the fact that it was mainstream in Detroit and Canada. Hockey definitely isn't mainstream like baseball is out west and in the south. I would say soccer is starting to catch hockey on the national level in terms of popularity.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 11:19:45 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 11:19:45 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 08:13:35 PMI'd put NHL above MLS simply because the NHL in the premier hockey league in the world.Quote from: Stephane Dumas on June 06, 2020, 08:07:38 PMQuote from: webny99 on June 06, 2020, 12:22:44 PM
Yeah, it sure seems like NFL>NBA>MLB>NHL.
How long before it became NFL>NBA>NHL>MLB? And where we put MLS in this?
I still have a grudge against Donald Fehr for his idea to strike in 1994, the years where the Expos had a chance to go far, what a coincidence. :angry:
As much as I love hockey it will never surpass baseball in the American sports scene. The only reason I probably even got into hockey was simply due to the fact that it was mainstream in Detroit and Canada. Hockey definitely isn't mainstream like baseball is out west and in the south. I would say soccer is starting to catch hockey on the national level in terms of popularity.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 11:22:31 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 11:22:31 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 11:19:45 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 08:13:35 PMI'd put NHL above MLS simply because the NHL in the premier hockey league in the world.Quote from: Stephane Dumas on June 06, 2020, 08:07:38 PMQuote from: webny99 on June 06, 2020, 12:22:44 PM
Yeah, it sure seems like NFL>NBA>MLB>NHL.
How long before it became NFL>NBA>NHL>MLB? And where we put MLS in this?
I still have a grudge against Donald Fehr for his idea to strike in 1994, the years where the Expos had a chance to go far, what a coincidence. :angry:
As much as I love hockey it will never surpass baseball in the American sports scene. The only reason I probably even got into hockey was simply due to the fact that it was mainstream in Detroit and Canada. Hockey definitely isn't mainstream like baseball is out west and in the south. I would say soccer is starting to catch hockey on the national level in terms of popularity.
I don't disagree, to me the MLS is minor league soccer. But that doesn't change the fact that the MLS does have a pretty big following in some markets. Orlando City had a massive following when I lived in the city as an example.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 11:24:43 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 11:24:43 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 11:22:31 PMI feel like a lot of the newer MLS teams have a bigger following, but nobody cares about the MLS up here in New England.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 11:19:45 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 08:13:35 PMI'd put NHL above MLS simply because the NHL in the premier hockey league in the world.Quote from: Stephane Dumas on June 06, 2020, 08:07:38 PMQuote from: webny99 on June 06, 2020, 12:22:44 PM
Yeah, it sure seems like NFL>NBA>MLB>NHL.
How long before it became NFL>NBA>NHL>MLB? And where we put MLS in this?
I still have a grudge against Donald Fehr for his idea to strike in 1994, the years where the Expos had a chance to go far, what a coincidence. :angry:
As much as I love hockey it will never surpass baseball in the American sports scene. The only reason I probably even got into hockey was simply due to the fact that it was mainstream in Detroit and Canada. Hockey definitely isn't mainstream like baseball is out west and in the south. I would say soccer is starting to catch hockey on the national level in terms of popularity.
I don't disagree, to me the MLS is minor league soccer. But that doesn't change the fact that the MLS does have a pretty big following in some markets. Orlando City had a massive following when I lived in the city as an example.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 11:27:03 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 11:27:03 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 11:24:43 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 11:22:31 PMI feel like a lot of the newer MLS teams have a bigger following, but nobody cares about the MLS up here in New England.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 11:19:45 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 08:13:35 PMI'd put NHL above MLS simply because the NHL in the premier hockey league in the world.Quote from: Stephane Dumas on June 06, 2020, 08:07:38 PMQuote from: webny99 on June 06, 2020, 12:22:44 PM
Yeah, it sure seems like NFL>NBA>MLB>NHL.
How long before it became NFL>NBA>NHL>MLB? And where we put MLS in this?
I still have a grudge against Donald Fehr for his idea to strike in 1994, the years where the Expos had a chance to go far, what a coincidence. :angry:
As much as I love hockey it will never surpass baseball in the American sports scene. The only reason I probably even got into hockey was simply due to the fact that it was mainstream in Detroit and Canada. Hockey definitely isn't mainstream like baseball is out west and in the south. I would say soccer is starting to catch hockey on the national level in terms of popularity.
I don't disagree, to me the MLS is minor league soccer. But that doesn't change the fact that the MLS does have a pretty big following in some markets. Orlando City had a massive following when I lived in the city as an example.
Yes, the counter to that is that nobody cares about hockey outside the Midwest and Northeast (aside Seattle maybe).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 11:28:47 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 11:28:47 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 11:27:03 PMI think that the Tampa Bay Lightning and the Nashville Predators have a decent following.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 11:24:43 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 11:22:31 PMI feel like a lot of the newer MLS teams have a bigger following, but nobody cares about the MLS up here in New England.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 11:19:45 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 08:13:35 PMI'd put NHL above MLS simply because the NHL in the premier hockey league in the world.Quote from: Stephane Dumas on June 06, 2020, 08:07:38 PMQuote from: webny99 on June 06, 2020, 12:22:44 PM
Yeah, it sure seems like NFL>NBA>MLB>NHL.
How long before it became NFL>NBA>NHL>MLB? And where we put MLS in this?
I still have a grudge against Donald Fehr for his idea to strike in 1994, the years where the Expos had a chance to go far, what a coincidence. :angry:
As much as I love hockey it will never surpass baseball in the American sports scene. The only reason I probably even got into hockey was simply due to the fact that it was mainstream in Detroit and Canada. Hockey definitely isn't mainstream like baseball is out west and in the south. I would say soccer is starting to catch hockey on the national level in terms of popularity.
I don't disagree, to me the MLS is minor league soccer. But that doesn't change the fact that the MLS does have a pretty big following in some markets. Orlando City had a massive following when I lived in the city as an example.
Yes, the counter to that is that nobody cares about hockey outside the Midwest and Northeast (aside Seattle maybe).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 11:31:58 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 11:31:58 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 11:28:47 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 11:27:03 PMI think that the Tampa Bay Lightning and the Nashville Predators have a decent following.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 11:24:43 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 11:22:31 PMI feel like a lot of the newer MLS teams have a bigger following, but nobody cares about the MLS up here in New England.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 06, 2020, 11:19:45 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 08:13:35 PMI'd put NHL above MLS simply because the NHL in the premier hockey league in the world.Quote from: Stephane Dumas on June 06, 2020, 08:07:38 PMQuote from: webny99 on June 06, 2020, 12:22:44 PM
Yeah, it sure seems like NFL>NBA>MLB>NHL.
How long before it became NFL>NBA>NHL>MLB? And where we put MLS in this?
I still have a grudge against Donald Fehr for his idea to strike in 1994, the years where the Expos had a chance to go far, what a coincidence. :angry:
As much as I love hockey it will never surpass baseball in the American sports scene. The only reason I probably even got into hockey was simply due to the fact that it was mainstream in Detroit and Canada. Hockey definitely isn't mainstream like baseball is out west and in the south. I would say soccer is starting to catch hockey on the national level in terms of popularity.
I don't disagree, to me the MLS is minor league soccer. But that doesn't change the fact that the MLS does have a pretty big following in some markets. Orlando City had a massive following when I lived in the city as an example.
Yes, the counter to that is that nobody cares about hockey outside the Midwest and Northeast (aside Seattle maybe).
Sometimes with the Lightning, I've always found getting a ticket even when they are good to be extremely easy. I've never been a Predators game in Nashville.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Duke87 on June 07, 2020, 01:15:13 AM
Post by: Duke87 on June 07, 2020, 01:15:13 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 06, 2020, 08:36:21 AM
Baseball had long been the second sport in the United States behind football prior to the mid 90s. There were a lot of people worried about the television ratings and attendance long before the strike. I would say that the NFL became a more dominant force sometime in the late 70s or early 80s.
Nnn so... according to Gallup (https://news.gallup.com/poll/4735/sports.aspx), football surpassed baseball the favorite sport of the largest number of Americans as early as the 1960s. But this just compares the sports themselves.
It's important to realize that while with baseball the general public's fandom is all about MLB, with football the College version of it is just as popular as the professional version currently. And while college football and the NFL have been existing on roughly equal terms so far in the 21st century (per Gallup data in the link above), historically this was not the case. The popularity of the NFL grew considerably over the course of the 1990s, at the beginning of the decade college football was decidedly more popular than the professional version.
This makes sense too because of accessibility. Pro sports teams tend to be located in the country's largest cities in order to maximize their viewership market, but this leaves large swaths of America fairly far from the nearest major league team. College teams are able to fill this niche by being located where the school is, rather than where the big city is.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on June 07, 2020, 06:36:11 AM
Post by: amroad17 on June 07, 2020, 06:36:11 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 05, 2020, 04:47:58 PMESPN has been telecasting Korean Baseball for nearly three weeks (Karl Ravech and Eduardo Perez doing play-by-play and analyst from their homes or separate ESPN offices for all I know). No fans at the games and there are cheerleaders with masks on top of the dugouts. I haven't heard of any player contracting COVID-19 yet.Quote from: tchafe1978 on June 05, 2020, 04:27:26 PM
The players union and the owners still haven't learned their lesson from 1994, I see. Neither side is willing to compromise.
Neither seems to get that they'll be the odd man out and really piss off a lot of the sports viewing public. While I understand not wanting to be short changed on pay I also find the argument that baseball players are in greater danger than players in other leagues to be total BS. Hockey, Soccer, and Basketball has far more close physical contact than Baseball does.
I hate to make this comparison but there are a ton of people in the general public working for a lot less than a prorated professional sports salary than face way more exposure. It seems like weak sauce that the parties can't come together to at least get SOME season going when everyone else in the sports world is doing that.
If they do the same things that NASCAR is doing (temperature checks, masks, social distancing, sanitizing) with each team, MLB should not have a problem. Besides, if all protocol is followed and a player still contracts COVID-19, then they more than likely contracted it outside the ballpark.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 07, 2020, 09:08:02 AM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 07, 2020, 09:08:02 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 08:13:35 PM
As much as I love hockey it will never surpass baseball in the American sports scene. The only reason I probably even got into hockey was simply due to the fact that it was mainstream in Detroit and Canada.
I think it's also mainstream in Chicago and Minnesota. The St. Louis Blues also have a good share of fans in Missouri and now they have a Stanley Cup championship. ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/voX3DUI.jpg)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 07, 2020, 09:36:42 AM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 07, 2020, 09:36:42 AM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on June 07, 2020, 09:08:02 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on June 06, 2020, 08:13:35 PM
As much as I love hockey it will never surpass baseball in the American sports scene. The only reason I probably even got into hockey was simply due to the fact that it was mainstream in Detroit and Canada.
I think it's also mainstream in Chicago and Minnesota. The St. Louis Blues also have a good share of fans in Missouri and now they have a Stanley Cup championship. ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/voX3DUI.jpg)
Very much mainstream in Chicago and Minnesota. Black Hawks tickets were tough to get and I used to play pick up hockey with my cousins in Minnesota like you would pick up basketball anywhere else. The Blues always had a decent following, but they almost always have a decent team.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on June 07, 2020, 10:56:45 AM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on June 07, 2020, 10:56:45 AM
I would say the I-70 corridor is the dividing line between hockey lovers and those that could care less (DC, Pittsburgh, Columbus, St. Louis, and Colorado being right on the line more or less). Anything north of there is hockey territory, with exclaves in Nashville and Tampa-St. Pete. MLS is a distant 5th, and is more of a niche sport in hockey areas, with the inverse being true in non-hockey areas; my friend in Houston wonders about the obsession with hockey, and hardly considers it a sport, while in New England (and where I am in CT, despite losing a franchise), it is probably 3rd ahead of the NBA (NFL and MLB being a close 1-2).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 07, 2020, 04:38:24 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 07, 2020, 04:38:24 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on June 07, 2020, 10:56:45 AM
I would say the I-70 corridor is the dividing line between hockey lovers and those that could care less (DC, Pittsburgh, Columbus, St. Louis, and Colorado being right on the line more or less). Anything north of there is hockey territory, with exclaves in Nashville and Tampa-St. Pete. MLS is a distant 5th, and is more of a niche sport in hockey areas, with the inverse being true in non-hockey areas; my friend in Houston wonders about the obsession with hockey, and hardly considers it a sport, while in New England (and where I am in CT, despite losing a franchise), it is probably 3rd ahead of the NBA (NFL and MLB being a close 1-2).
And to think there was a time when Houston got an hockey team with the WHA Aeros when Gordie Howe did his return on the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2bKZcaN_JM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lXUHeM9bOY
Back to baseball, if those players aren't satisfied enough, they should create their own league and it'll be fun to see how they'll feel when the shoe is in the other foot.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on June 08, 2020, 07:59:06 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on June 08, 2020, 07:59:06 AM
Ten years ago tonight, Stephen Strasburg made his major league debut by striking out 14 Pirates (and walking none) in seven innings. I was at that game. Great night. I was at the Nationals' first home opener in 2005, and as much fun as that was, I'd argue Strasburg's debut was the more electric night because it was about something specific to that team. In 2005, you could have put Charlie Brown's team out there and people would have gone nuts that we finally had baseball again.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 08, 2020, 09:02:30 AM
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 08, 2020, 09:02:30 AM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on June 07, 2020, 04:38:24 PM
Back to baseball, if those players aren't satisfied enough, they should create their own league and it'll be fun to see how they'll feel when the shoe is in the other foot.
Satisfied enough? You realize the owners are offering to pay them less per game than they would normally right? They are pretty much the only major league that is doing that.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ftballfan on June 08, 2020, 10:21:23 AM
Post by: ftballfan on June 08, 2020, 10:21:23 AM
Quote from: webny99 on June 06, 2020, 12:22:44 PM
Yeah, it sure seems like NFL>NBA>MLB>NHL.
I'm not really a huge sports follower but it seems like the NBA has been on a upward trajectory, it certainly hasn't always been more popular than MLB, even going back 15-20 years it probably wasn't.
In Michigan, it seems to go NFL>MLB>NHL>NBA. The Lions, Tigers, and Red Wings have decent-sized radio networks. The Pistons, on the other hand, have the smallest radio network (and for years didn't have any radio affiliates north of Grand Rapids and the Saginaw area)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 11, 2020, 08:40:15 AM
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 11, 2020, 08:40:15 AM
For those thinking the players are being greedy by wanting to be paid the full pro-rated amount of their salaries, read this...
https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/59421/veteran-presence-thats-rich/
https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/59421/veteran-presence-thats-rich/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 18, 2020, 01:39:46 PM
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 18, 2020, 01:39:46 PM
From an alleged memo from the PA to players today. The union letter included other details in its summary of the meeting:
**Spring training would begin no later than June 28 for position players.
**The season would consist of 60 games, beginning July 19 or 20 and ending Sept. 27.
**Expanded postseason in 2020 and 2021, with a minimum players' pool of $25 million.
**100 percent prorated salaries (60 games would amount to about 37 percent of a 162-game season and salary)
**Designated hitter in both leagues in 2020 and 2021.
**Opt-out rights for high-risk individuals, as defined by the CDC.
**MLB would direct $10 million for social justice initiatives.
**Minimum' player commitments for broadcast elements, including the miking of players.
**Corporate advertising on uniforms in 2020 and 2021.
**Enhanced housing allowances for spring training and regular season.
**Mutual waiver of potential grievances under the March Agreement.
**Spring training would begin no later than June 28 for position players.
**The season would consist of 60 games, beginning July 19 or 20 and ending Sept. 27.
**Expanded postseason in 2020 and 2021, with a minimum players' pool of $25 million.
**100 percent prorated salaries (60 games would amount to about 37 percent of a 162-game season and salary)
**Designated hitter in both leagues in 2020 and 2021.
**Opt-out rights for high-risk individuals, as defined by the CDC.
**MLB would direct $10 million for social justice initiatives.
**Minimum' player commitments for broadcast elements, including the miking of players.
**Corporate advertising on uniforms in 2020 and 2021.
**Enhanced housing allowances for spring training and regular season.
**Mutual waiver of potential grievances under the March Agreement.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ftballfan on June 20, 2020, 11:49:33 PM
Post by: ftballfan on June 20, 2020, 11:49:33 PM
If the season happens, I would almost expect the Blue Jays to have to play their home games somewhere in the US (such as their spring training complex in Florida or at their AAA team's ballpark, which I think is in Buffalo)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 21, 2020, 09:35:49 AM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 21, 2020, 09:35:49 AM
Quote from: ftballfan on June 20, 2020, 11:49:33 PM
If the season happens, I would almost expect the Blue Jays to have to play their home games somewhere in the US (such as their spring training complex in Florida or at their AAA team's ballpark, which I think is in Buffalo)
Yeah, the AAA Jays' farm team is currently the Buffalo Bisons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Bisons
And ironically, Buffalo attempted in the past to attract the MLB.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-07-10/they-built-it-but-the-mlb-never-came
https://www.city-data.com/forum/buffalo-area/3029212-buffalo-almost-had-major-league-baseball.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20200430081420/https://buffalonews.com/2020/03/30/buffalo-sports-greatest-what-ifs-what-if-buffalo-awarded-major-league-baseball-team-news-opinion-fantasy-2020/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 22, 2020, 11:35:06 AM
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 22, 2020, 11:35:06 AM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on June 21, 2020, 09:35:49 AMQuote from: ftballfan on June 20, 2020, 11:49:33 PM
If the season happens, I would almost expect the Blue Jays to have to play their home games somewhere in the US (such as their spring training complex in Florida or at their AAA team's ballpark, which I think is in Buffalo)
Yeah, the AAA Jays' farm team is currently the Buffalo Bisons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Bisons
And ironically, Buffalo attempted in the past to attract the MLB.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-07-10/they-built-it-but-the-mlb-never-came
https://www.city-data.com/forum/buffalo-area/3029212-buffalo-almost-had-major-league-baseball.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20200430081420/https://buffalonews.com/2020/03/30/buffalo-sports-greatest-what-ifs-what-if-buffalo-awarded-major-league-baseball-team-news-opinion-fantasy-2020/
Those were the days where expansion played out so much more publically. The MLB and NFL both expanded at about the same time, and the list of cities, finalists, etc. were all very public and the drama played out over time.
Anyway, a franchise in Buffalo would have been a terrible idea. Denver was a slam dunk. Miami has had its issues but it was a much better location than Buffalo would have been.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 22, 2020, 03:00:09 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 22, 2020, 03:00:09 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 22, 2020, 11:35:06 AM
Those were the days where expansion played out so much more publically. The MLB and NFL both expanded at about the same time, and the list of cities, finalists, etc. were all very public and the drama played out over time.
Anyway, a franchise in Buffalo would have been a terrible idea. Denver was a slam dunk. Miami has had its issues but it was a much better location than Buffalo would have been.
I guess the Buffalo curse is too strong, I wonder if that curse have an Achille's Heel? There's even a book who mentionned it. https://books.google.ca/books?id=fsilCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA62&lpg=PA62&dq=buffalo+baseball+curse&source=bl&ots=Z7keyxN7xB&sig=ACfU3U096t1awOys4ZJ_3J7bcT49kKxxPA&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjxg7jCi5bqAhXvQjABHaPaCHIQ6AEwF3oECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=buffalo%20baseball%20curse&f=false
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on June 24, 2020, 11:02:28 AM
Post by: Henry on June 24, 2020, 11:02:28 AM
Well, the Bills lost four straight Super Bowls, and didn't the Sabres lose in the Stanley Cup Finals too? And the less said about the Braves-turned-Clippers, the better.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 24, 2020, 01:54:53 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 24, 2020, 01:54:53 PM
Quote from: Henry on June 24, 2020, 11:02:28 AM
Well, the Bills lost four straight Super Bowls, and didn't the Sabres lose in the Stanley Cup Finals too? And the less said about the Braves-turned-Clippers, the better.
Yes, the Sabres lost the finals too twice (1975 and 1999) as well, one by a controversial goal done by Brett Hull in the 1999 finals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VWAtMxXVCs
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on June 30, 2020, 09:34:15 PM
Post by: Henry on June 30, 2020, 09:34:15 PM
Count the minor league season as a casualty of the pandemic:
https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/29389693/baseball-minor-leagues-cancel-2020-seasons-due-coronavirus
https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/29389693/baseball-minor-leagues-cancel-2020-seasons-due-coronavirus
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ftballfan on June 30, 2020, 11:05:53 PM
Post by: ftballfan on June 30, 2020, 11:05:53 PM
Quote from: Henry on June 30, 2020, 09:34:15 PMSurprised it took this long to officially call it off. It had all but officially been called off a few weeks ago, if not earlier
Count the minor league season as a casualty of the pandemic:
https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/29389693/baseball-minor-leagues-cancel-2020-seasons-due-coronavirus
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 01:08:07 PM
Post by: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 01:08:07 PM
The Brewers' second stringers are training here in the Appleton, WI area (Class 'A' Brewers' affiliate Wisconsin Timber Rattlers' facilities). The team itself is otherwise using their facilities for such things as showing outdoor movies, picnics, etc.
:no:
Mike
:no:
Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Duke87 on July 05, 2020, 12:48:13 AM
Post by: Duke87 on July 05, 2020, 12:48:13 AM
I briefly watched a live baseball game in person today.
It was our local little league, which has begun play this weekend, but hey, it's baseball.
It was our local little league, which has begun play this weekend, but hey, it's baseball.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: MisterSG1 on July 05, 2020, 11:13:47 PM
Post by: MisterSG1 on July 05, 2020, 11:13:47 PM
The Blue Jays got the go ahead to have training camp in Toronto. Which appears to allow them to skip the national 14 day quarantine.
I'm not entirely against this if the players are confined to the SkyDome Hotel, which is an advantage of this scenario as the SkyDome has a hotel attatched to it so the players never have to leave.
I would only agree to having Toronto be used in the season if the players on both teams are confined to the skydome hotel for their entire time in Canada, transport from airport will be directly to hotel and they cannot leave for any reason whatsoever.
You may think I'm being tough, but it"ËœS fair to consider when you realize, Ontario with a population of around 14.5 million has consistently for the last two weeks, have almost all days with sub 200 new cases.
Many in this city are angry of the prospect of them playing here. This is in contrast to the NHL's hub cities model, in which players would have to clear the quarantine before playing any games presumably, and wouldn't require players to constantly hop over the border.
I'm not entirely against this if the players are confined to the SkyDome Hotel, which is an advantage of this scenario as the SkyDome has a hotel attatched to it so the players never have to leave.
I would only agree to having Toronto be used in the season if the players on both teams are confined to the skydome hotel for their entire time in Canada, transport from airport will be directly to hotel and they cannot leave for any reason whatsoever.
You may think I'm being tough, but it"ËœS fair to consider when you realize, Ontario with a population of around 14.5 million has consistently for the last two weeks, have almost all days with sub 200 new cases.
Many in this city are angry of the prospect of them playing here. This is in contrast to the NHL's hub cities model, in which players would have to clear the quarantine before playing any games presumably, and wouldn't require players to constantly hop over the border.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 06, 2020, 06:55:06 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 06, 2020, 06:55:06 PM
MLB schedule just released. Teams play 10 games against each division opponent, but it's not a 5-5 home-away split, it's either 7-3 or 6-4. Teams play either 6, 4 or 3 games against the teams in their geographic counterpart division in the other league.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 06, 2020, 07:39:47 PM
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 06, 2020, 07:39:47 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 06, 2020, 06:55:06 PM
MLB schedule just released. Teams play 10 games against each division opponent, but it's not a 5-5 home-away split, it's either 7-3 or 6-4. Teams play either 6, 4 or 3 games against the teams in their geographic counterpart division in the other league.
That seems strange. Why not just play five game series? It limits travel.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 06, 2020, 07:42:54 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 06, 2020, 07:42:54 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 06, 2020, 07:39:47 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on July 06, 2020, 06:55:06 PM
MLB schedule just released. Teams play 10 games against each division opponent, but it's not a 5-5 home-away split, it's either 7-3 or 6-4. Teams play either 6, 4 or 3 games against the teams in their geographic counterpart division in the other league.
That seems strange. Why not just play five game series? It limits travel.
With 15-team leagues, some teams are always playing interleague series, and unless those are also all 5 games, it would make scheduling impossible.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 06, 2020, 07:54:13 PM
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 06, 2020, 07:54:13 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 06, 2020, 07:42:54 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on July 06, 2020, 07:39:47 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on July 06, 2020, 06:55:06 PM
MLB schedule just released. Teams play 10 games against each division opponent, but it's not a 5-5 home-away split, it's either 7-3 or 6-4. Teams play either 6, 4 or 3 games against the teams in their geographic counterpart division in the other league.
That seems strange. Why not just play five game series? It limits travel.
With 15-team leagues, some teams are always playing interleague series, and unless those are also all 5 games, it would make scheduling impossible.
Excellent point. Didn't think it all through obviously.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: corco on July 06, 2020, 09:06:40 PM
Post by: corco on July 06, 2020, 09:06:40 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 06, 2020, 07:42:54 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on July 06, 2020, 07:39:47 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on July 06, 2020, 06:55:06 PM
MLB schedule just released. Teams play 10 games against each division opponent, but it's not a 5-5 home-away split, it's either 7-3 or 6-4. Teams play either 6, 4 or 3 games against the teams in their geographic counterpart division in the other league.
That seems strange. Why not just play five game series? It limits travel.
With 15-team leagues, some teams are always playing interleague series, and unless those are also all 5 games, it would make scheduling impossible.
They're effectively playing in a 10 team league this year though
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 09, 2020, 06:24:49 PM
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 09, 2020, 06:24:49 PM
In what seems to be very odd timing, or a statement that baseball will go on, the MLB release the 2021 schedule today.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 09, 2020, 06:27:48 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 09, 2020, 06:27:48 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 09, 2020, 06:24:49 PM
In what seems to be very odd timing, or a statement that baseball will go on, the MLB release the 2021 schedule today.
Can't sell tickets for this season, so trying to capitalize on the anticipation of the current season by having tickets to sell for next season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 09, 2020, 07:03:24 PM
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 09, 2020, 07:03:24 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 09, 2020, 06:27:48 PMQuote from: jeffandnicole on July 09, 2020, 06:24:49 PM
In what seems to be very odd timing, or a statement that baseball will go on, the MLB release the 2021 schedule today.
Can't sell tickets for this season, so trying to capitalize on the anticipation of the current season by having tickets to sell for next season.
Maybe...if tickets go on sale very soon. Most teams don't sell individual game tickets until late February or early March.
Teams will sell season tickets at virtually anytime, but I seriously doubt you're going to get many people to commit to a multi-game commitment in this current environment.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 09, 2020, 07:17:23 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 09, 2020, 07:17:23 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 09, 2020, 07:03:24 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on July 09, 2020, 06:27:48 PMQuote from: jeffandnicole on July 09, 2020, 06:24:49 PM
In what seems to be very odd timing, or a statement that baseball will go on, the MLB release the 2021 schedule today.
Can't sell tickets for this season, so trying to capitalize on the anticipation of the current season by having tickets to sell for next season.
Maybe...if tickets go on sale very soon. Most teams don't sell individual game tickets until late February or early March.
Teams will sell season tickets at virtually anytime, but I seriously doubt you're going to get many people to commit to a multi-game commitment in this current environment.
Getting any people to commit is better than none. Also, most season ticket holders have been given the option to get a refund for 2020 or apply their credit to 2021, and perhaps the schedule is an attempt to nudge them towards not taking the cash.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: bing101 on July 15, 2020, 11:43:36 PM
Post by: bing101 on July 15, 2020, 11:43:36 PM
https://pagesix.com/2020/07/15/jennifer-lopezs-mets-bid-could-bring-out-teams-glam-side/?_ga=2.42069349.1901266709.1594870501-1315934973.1594870501
Speculation over who gets the Mets come into play.
Speculation over who gets the Mets come into play.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 18, 2020, 06:18:53 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 18, 2020, 06:18:53 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29488579/blue-jays-not-allowed-play-games-canada
Blue Jays not going to be able to play in Canada. Buffalo a poor option due to lighting. Florida a poor option due to being a hotspot.
Don't know the other northeastern AAA parks enough to know if any of them would be options.
Blue Jays not going to be able to play in Canada. Buffalo a poor option due to lighting. Florida a poor option due to being a hotspot.
Don't know the other northeastern AAA parks enough to know if any of them would be options.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on July 18, 2020, 06:47:01 PM
Post by: Takumi on July 18, 2020, 06:47:01 PM
Put them in Charlotte or Nashville to see how the local market reacts to a major league team being th-...wait, never mind.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 18, 2020, 06:56:44 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 18, 2020, 06:56:44 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 18, 2020, 06:18:53 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29488579/blue-jays-not-allowed-play-games-canada
Blue Jays not going to be able to play in Canada. Buffalo a poor option due to lighting. Florida a poor option due to being a hotspot.
Don't know the other northeastern AAA parks enough to know if any of them would be options.
But yet the NHL gets an exemption, what a shock... This might not be apparent to some people from the Sunbelt States but the NHL is a pretty good analog in popularity to the NFL in Canada. Baseball doesn't really register much of a blip on the radar and only got any real attention when the Blue Jays were winning World Series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 18, 2020, 07:16:40 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 18, 2020, 07:16:40 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 18, 2020, 06:56:44 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on July 18, 2020, 06:18:53 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29488579/blue-jays-not-allowed-play-games-canada
Blue Jays not going to be able to play in Canada. Buffalo a poor option due to lighting. Florida a poor option due to being a hotspot.
Don't know the other northeastern AAA parks enough to know if any of them would be options.
But yet the NHL gets an exemption, what a shock... This might not be apparent to some people from the Sunbelt States but the NHL is a pretty good analog in popularity to the NFL in Canada. Baseball doesn't really register much of a blip on the radar and only got any real attention when the Blue Jays were winning World Series.
The NHL has to play the entire rest of the season in Canada so there will be no travel back and forth across the border. Blue Jays can't play at home without having both them and their home opponents crossing the border.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 18, 2020, 07:30:50 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 18, 2020, 07:30:50 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 18, 2020, 07:16:40 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on July 18, 2020, 06:56:44 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on July 18, 2020, 06:18:53 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29488579/blue-jays-not-allowed-play-games-canada
Blue Jays not going to be able to play in Canada. Buffalo a poor option due to lighting. Florida a poor option due to being a hotspot.
Don't know the other northeastern AAA parks enough to know if any of them would be options.
But yet the NHL gets an exemption, what a shock... This might not be apparent to some people from the Sunbelt States but the NHL is a pretty good analog in popularity to the NFL in Canada. Baseball doesn't really register much of a blip on the radar and only got any real attention when the Blue Jays were winning World Series.
The NHL has to play the entire rest of the season in Canada so there will be no travel back and forth across the border. Blue Jays can't play at home without having both them and their home opponents crossing the border.
Yes, but they are still allowing non-Canadian players to travel there on an exemption.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 18, 2020, 07:35:44 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 18, 2020, 07:35:44 PM
So with the vastly shorten season has there been any talk about shortening pitching rotation down from five to four or three? I would assume that in such a short year a four man rotation might be feasible but three might be pushing it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 18, 2020, 09:02:15 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 18, 2020, 09:02:15 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 18, 2020, 07:30:50 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on July 18, 2020, 07:16:40 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on July 18, 2020, 06:56:44 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on July 18, 2020, 06:18:53 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29488579/blue-jays-not-allowed-play-games-canada
Blue Jays not going to be able to play in Canada. Buffalo a poor option due to lighting. Florida a poor option due to being a hotspot.
Don't know the other northeastern AAA parks enough to know if any of them would be options.
But yet the NHL gets an exemption, what a shock... This might not be apparent to some people from the Sunbelt States but the NHL is a pretty good analog in popularity to the NFL in Canada. Baseball doesn't really register much of a blip on the radar and only got any real attention when the Blue Jays were winning World Series.
The NHL has to play the entire rest of the season in Canada so there will be no travel back and forth across the border. Blue Jays can't play at home without having both them and their home opponents crossing the border.
Yes, but they are still allowing non-Canadian players to travel there on an exemption.
Right but once they get there they have to stay until their season is finished. They can't go back and forth.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 18, 2020, 09:07:25 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 18, 2020, 09:07:25 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 18, 2020, 06:18:53 PMIt can probably be any stadium that can hold them since no fans will be attending anyway.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29488579/blue-jays-not-allowed-play-games-canada
Blue Jays not going to be able to play in Canada. Buffalo a poor option due to lighting. Florida a poor option due to being a hotspot.
Don't know the other northeastern AAA parks enough to know if any of them would be options.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 18, 2020, 09:11:00 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 18, 2020, 09:11:00 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 18, 2020, 09:07:25 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on July 18, 2020, 06:18:53 PMIt can probably be any stadium that can hold them since no fans will be attending anyway.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29488579/blue-jays-not-allowed-play-games-canada
Blue Jays not going to be able to play in Canada. Buffalo a poor option due to lighting. Florida a poor option due to being a hotspot.
Don't know the other northeastern AAA parks enough to know if any of them would be options.
The ESPN story says that their are objections to Buffalo due to poor lighting. I have no idea if that's specific to Buffalo or common to other AAA parks in the area.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on July 18, 2020, 09:25:41 PM
Post by: Takumi on July 18, 2020, 09:25:41 PM
There's a solution to the poor lighting in Buffalo, but it's not the best for ratings: day games.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on July 18, 2020, 10:14:46 PM
Post by: Big John on July 18, 2020, 10:14:46 PM
Could they put in portable temporary lighting, like they do in college football when there is a night game?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on July 18, 2020, 10:27:50 PM
Post by: Alps on July 18, 2020, 10:27:50 PM
Quote from: Big John on July 18, 2020, 10:14:46 PMI'm sure Buffalo plays night games. It seems ilke the most likely scenario.
Could they put in portable temporary lighting, like they do in college football when there is a night game?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 19, 2020, 08:33:55 AM
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 19, 2020, 08:33:55 AM
Quote from: Takumi on July 18, 2020, 09:25:41 PM
There's a solution to the poor lighting in Buffalo, but it's not the best for ratings: day games.
Which wouldn't be popular with anybody.
It not only has to be a place with decent lighting, but one that can accomodate a full television production. If MLB knew this earlier, they probably would have just put them in New York and had them rotate home stadiums between Yankee Stadium and Citi Field.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 19, 2020, 09:18:37 AM
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 19, 2020, 09:18:37 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 19, 2020, 08:33:55 AMQuote from: Takumi on July 18, 2020, 09:25:41 PM
There's a solution to the poor lighting in Buffalo, but it's not the best for ratings: day games.
Which wouldn't be popular with anybody.
It not only has to be a place with decent lighting, but one that can accomodate a full television production. If MLB knew this earlier, they probably would have just put them in New York and had them rotate home stadiums between Yankee Stadium and Citi Field.
I wouldn't be surprised if they have contingency plans. A lot of what they're doing is based on the hope that the teams can play in home stadiums, so I would imagine nearly every team had some for a contingency plan just in case.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tchafe1978 on July 19, 2020, 03:32:20 PM
Post by: tchafe1978 on July 19, 2020, 03:32:20 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 18, 2020, 07:35:44 PM
So with the vastly shorten season has there been any talk about shortening pitching rotation down from five to four or three? I would assume that in such a short year a four man rotation might be feasible but three might be pushing it.
That would be up to each individual team to set their rotation to what works best for them. The five man rotation isn't like a set in stone rule, it's just become the norm over the years as what seems to work best over the course of the season. I'm sure a team like the Brewers that has used starters to go only 4 or 5 innings most games the past couple seasons might be able to get by with a 4 man rotation, especially if a 5th starter doesn't establish himself. That would be 5th started could then be used out of the bullpen. A 3 man rotation seems like a stretch, though, as there are limited off days.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 20, 2020, 09:39:53 AM
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 20, 2020, 09:39:53 AM
It's looking like Toronto will possibly play their home games here in Pittsburgh @ PNC Park.
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/07/20/report-blue-jays-considering-pnc-park/
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/07/20/report-blue-jays-considering-pnc-park/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on July 20, 2020, 12:36:03 PM
Post by: ET21 on July 20, 2020, 12:36:03 PM
Well it was nice to watch some baseball last night. Crosstown series will actually have some meaning as both Chicago teams are in the same division
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 20, 2020, 12:38:37 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 20, 2020, 12:38:37 PM
Quote from: ET21 on July 20, 2020, 12:36:03 PM
Well it was nice to watch some baseball last night. Crosstown series will actually have some meaning as both Chicago teams are in the same division
Sox beat the Cubs 6-3 with their #8 starter vs Cubs' #1 starter.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 20, 2020, 09:30:37 PM
Post by: Henry on July 20, 2020, 09:30:37 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 20, 2020, 09:39:53 AMTo have the Blue Jays in Pittsburgh would be supercool! And according to this story (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29503114/toronto-blue-jays-talking-teams-sharing-park-canada-ban), the Pirates are run by a couple of former Jays execs, which would also be an added bonus.
It's looking like Toronto will possibly play their home games here in Pittsburgh @ PNC Park.
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/07/20/report-blue-jays-considering-pnc-park/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 20, 2020, 10:29:43 PM
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 20, 2020, 10:29:43 PM
One of the fun things about pre-season baseball are the teams can do pretty much whatever they want. In tonight's Phils-Yankees game, the Phillies wanted to keep their starting pitcher out there even though there were 3 outs. He gave up a home run and it counted. And the result of the game...a 2-2 tie. While ties aren't terribly unusual when in pre-season, usually the broadcast team is told if they will end the game or continue on...
https://www.thegoodphight.com/2020/7/20/21332155/everythings-made-up-and-the-points-dont-matter-phillies-2-yankees-2
https://www.thegoodphight.com/2020/7/20/21332155/everythings-made-up-and-the-points-dont-matter-phillies-2-yankees-2
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gonealookin on July 21, 2020, 12:40:17 AM
Post by: gonealookin on July 21, 2020, 12:40:17 AM
I hope there's a learning curve with the fake crowd noise, because in the game I watched tonight (A's-Giants) the "crowd" didn't react the way a real crowd would. I found that mostly distracting. We'll see how that evolves/improves over the next couple weeks, but my initial thought is I'd rather just hear the announcers and the crack of the bat.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 21, 2020, 08:06:05 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 21, 2020, 08:06:05 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 20, 2020, 10:29:43 PM
One of the fun things about pre-season baseball are the teams can do pretty much whatever they want. In tonight's Phils-Yankees game, the Phillies wanted to keep their starting pitcher out there even though there were 3 outs. He gave up a home run and it counted. And the result of the game...a 2-2 tie. While ties aren't terribly unusual when in pre-season, usually the broadcast team is told if they will end the game or continue on...
https://www.thegoodphight.com/2020/7/20/21332155/everythings-made-up-and-the-points-dont-matter-phillies-2-yankees-2
Similarly, after the White Sox' 8th batter of the 1st inning against the Cubs, the inning was ended with 2 outs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: nexus73 on July 21, 2020, 10:20:47 AM
Post by: nexus73 on July 21, 2020, 10:20:47 AM
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Yes, you can build roads in FoE!
Rick
Yes, you can build roads in FoE!
Rick
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on July 21, 2020, 06:25:14 PM
Post by: ilpt4u on July 21, 2020, 06:25:14 PM
MLB Network was reporting that PNC Park would not be able to host all the Blue Jays home games -- would host 21 games, with 9 games to be played elsewhere. Cleveland or Philly would be the "easy" answer alternate sites, if the schedule and the Indians and Phillies would accomate
I find it odd that Pittsburgh is in the running. I thought the whole idea of basically "geographical" divisions was to keep all the East teams within their own bubble, Central teams in theirs, and West teams in theirs. PNC would be a crossover for East and Central
MLB Network also mentioned the AAA Charlotte Knights (White Sox affiliate) park in North Carolina is under consideration. I would normally say it would be good for Charlotte to experiment with a MLB team, but with no fans, who knows
Also am curious if there would be any differences in TV Rights for Blue Jays games. Does Rogers SportsNet have a full-time US-based crew? Would the Blue Jays contract out the use of another RSNs crew, like AT&T Pittsburgh, assuming games do go to PNC? Also what about "home" TV rights in whatever park the games are played in?
I would have thought MLB would have planned for this contingency when making the shortened schedule, already
I find it odd that Pittsburgh is in the running. I thought the whole idea of basically "geographical" divisions was to keep all the East teams within their own bubble, Central teams in theirs, and West teams in theirs. PNC would be a crossover for East and Central
MLB Network also mentioned the AAA Charlotte Knights (White Sox affiliate) park in North Carolina is under consideration. I would normally say it would be good for Charlotte to experiment with a MLB team, but with no fans, who knows
Also am curious if there would be any differences in TV Rights for Blue Jays games. Does Rogers SportsNet have a full-time US-based crew? Would the Blue Jays contract out the use of another RSNs crew, like AT&T Pittsburgh, assuming games do go to PNC? Also what about "home" TV rights in whatever park the games are played in?
I would have thought MLB would have planned for this contingency when making the shortened schedule, already
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 21, 2020, 06:32:46 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 21, 2020, 06:32:46 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on July 21, 2020, 06:25:14 PM
MLB Network was reporting that PNC Park would not be able to host all the Blue Jays home games -- would host 21 games, with 9 games to be played elsewhere. Cleveland or Philly would be the "easy" answer alternate sites, if the schedule and the Indians and Phillies would accomate
I find it odd that Pittsburgh is in the running. I thought the whole idea of basically "geographical" divisions was to keep all the East teams within their own bubble, Central teams in theirs, and West teams in theirs. PNC would be a crossover for East and Central
MLB Network also mentioned the AAA Charlotte Knights (White Sox affiliate) park in North Carolina is under consideration. I would normally say it would be good for Charlotte to experiment with a MLB team, but with no fans, who knows
Also am curious if there would be any differences in TV Rights for Blue Jays games. Does Rogers SportsNet have a full-time US-based crew? Would the Blue Jays contract out the use of another RSNs crew, like AT&T Pittsburgh, assuming games do go to PNC? Also what about "home" TV rights in whatever park the games are played in?
I would have thought MLB would have planned for this contingency when making the shortened schedule, already
While Pittsburgh plays in the Central divisions it isn't all that far from the eastern teams, and has the added benefit of not being the home park of any of the Jays' opponents where they would be playing home games in their opponent's home stadium.
I've never been to Charlotte but I know that their park is newer so maybe it's more suited than the other AAA parks being mentioned.
I would imagine that wherever the games are played, the TV rights would still work the same as if the team was in Toronto. As for the TV crew, I imagine that the camera operators would have to be based in whatever city they're playing in, and the announcers still based in Toronto. I know that the White Sox TV announcers are doing all the away games from their home stadium's TV booth.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 21, 2020, 06:55:39 PM
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 21, 2020, 06:55:39 PM
I believe their are connections between the front offices of both teams and that's why Pittsburgh is in the running.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on July 21, 2020, 07:00:00 PM
Post by: ilpt4u on July 21, 2020, 07:00:00 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 21, 2020, 06:55:39 PMIt is Major League Baseball. Are there any 2 Front Offices that do NOT have connections?
I believe their are connections between the front offices of both teams and that's why Pittsburgh is in the running.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 21, 2020, 08:12:38 PM
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 21, 2020, 08:12:38 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on July 21, 2020, 07:00:00 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on July 21, 2020, 06:55:39 PMIt is Major League Baseball. Are there any 2 Front Offices that do NOT have connections?
I believe their are connections between the front offices of both teams and that's why Pittsburgh is in the running.
Yes. But anyway, the current GM and assistant GM in Pittsburgh were both in the front office in Toronto.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on July 22, 2020, 03:22:05 PM
Post by: ilpt4u on July 22, 2020, 03:22:05 PM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/pennsylvania-department-health-wont-allow-blue-jays-play-pnc-park/
The Blue Jays will NOT be making PNC Park their temporary home away from home this season
The search is back on
I'm thinking a AAA park is getting more and more likely, but that is a gut feeling. Either that or the Blue Jays don't have a "home" stadium and play all games on the road at the opponent's stadium. The only difference for "home" games will be the Jays batting last and white pants instead of gray pants
The Blue Jays will NOT be making PNC Park their temporary home away from home this season
The search is back on
I'm thinking a AAA park is getting more and more likely, but that is a gut feeling. Either that or the Blue Jays don't have a "home" stadium and play all games on the road at the opponent's stadium. The only difference for "home" games will be the Jays batting last and white pants instead of gray pants
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tdindy88 on July 22, 2020, 03:44:40 PM
Post by: tdindy88 on July 22, 2020, 03:44:40 PM
I'm guessing sites like Rochester or Syracuse are no good? I know Buffalo's been ruled out. Also, if the Blue Jays were to play on the road all season long but have several games be designated the "home team" would that also flip the order of the national anthems, American first and then Canadian?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on July 22, 2020, 03:57:10 PM
Post by: ilpt4u on July 22, 2020, 03:57:10 PM
Unless Rogers SportsNet usually airs the anthems as part of their broadcast, I doubt the Canadian anthem will even be played
Baseball isn't usually like a Hockey game, where the singing of the anthem(s) is part of the experience. At least I don't think so, anyway. And with no fans in the stands, why?
I'm sure MLB has a procedure for whether anthem(s) need done this season
Baseball isn't usually like a Hockey game, where the singing of the anthem(s) is part of the experience. At least I don't think so, anyway. And with no fans in the stands, why?
I'm sure MLB has a procedure for whether anthem(s) need done this season
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gonealookin on July 22, 2020, 05:00:56 PM
Post by: gonealookin on July 22, 2020, 05:00:56 PM
If I were deciding I'd put the Blue Jays in Chicago, if that city and the state allow it. Give them a single home city, puts them in major league parks and only adds an extra hour or so to some flights. I went through the schedules and have them playing 13 games in the White Sox park and 17 in Wrigley Field, without having to split the games in any single series between the two parks and with only one schedule adjustment, a swap of home weekends with the Tampa Bay Rays.
An issue with doing something similar in New York would be that the Yankees would get 7 "road games" in Yankee Stadium.
An issue with doing something similar in New York would be that the Yankees would get 7 "road games" in Yankee Stadium.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on July 22, 2020, 05:08:09 PM
Post by: ilpt4u on July 22, 2020, 05:08:09 PM
Part of the issue that Chicago raises (and I think this is the issue that PA DoH raised with Pittsburgh) is, it violates the "zones" /regionalized schedule, as it would then make Wrigley and Guaranteed Rate Fields cross-over points for the "East" and "Central" zone teams
If I wanted to lay a wager, I'd bet the Blue Jays play with no home stadium, and play exclusively at their opponent's parks
If I wanted to lay a wager, I'd bet the Blue Jays play with no home stadium, and play exclusively at their opponent's parks
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 22, 2020, 05:24:47 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 22, 2020, 05:24:47 PM
I think they ultimately end up in Charlotte.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on July 22, 2020, 05:32:35 PM
Post by: Takumi on July 22, 2020, 05:32:35 PM
I think either Charlotte or somewhere in New York.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on July 22, 2020, 06:00:36 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on July 22, 2020, 06:00:36 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on July 22, 2020, 03:57:10 PM
Unless Rogers SportsNet usually airs the anthems as part of their broadcast, I doubt the Canadian anthem will even be played
Baseball isn't usually like a Hockey game, where the singing of the anthem(s) is part of the experience. At least I don't think so, anyway. And with no fans in the stands, why?
I'm sure MLB has a procedure for whether anthem(s) need done this season
Not sure what you mean by the text in boldface. Every baseball game I've ever attended, major league or minor league, has included the customary national anthem performance beforehand (including "O Canada" if a Canadian team is playing or, as was the case last July 6, when the Nationals do an Expos throwback day, and for that game "O Canada" was performed bilingually in English and French per the custom in Montreal). The custom for two-anthem games is that the home team's anthem comes last.
With all that said, there doesn't seem to be much reason for the anthems with no fans in the stands unless–and this might be a legitimate concern–there's a desire to maintain as close to normal a routine as possible. A few years ago when Osama bin Laden was killed, I suggested to Ted Leonsis that at the next Capitals game after that they should perform the third verse of the Star-Spangled Banner instead of the customary first verse, but the team decided against that because they thought it would be strange for the players and they didn't want to do something different during the playoffs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on July 22, 2020, 07:36:04 PM
Post by: ilpt4u on July 22, 2020, 07:36:04 PM
At a Hockey game, there are more fan "traditions" if you will regarding the anthems.
Canadians sing along, usually at least partially in French. The Blackhawks and the cheering, shooting, and howling during the anthem. The Stars, I think, emphasize "stars" almost as a chant, when "stars" appears in the lyrics
And, of course, most/all hockey teams have a dedicated Soloist, often a male Tenor, as the Voice of the anthem(s). And yes teams can and do have a female Soloist as the anthem singer. It is a much more integrated part of the team's identity, their specific Soloist in their arena
Baseball, football, basketball, etc yes all have the anthem, but (imho) it is often sold as more of a PR stunt to support the military and give a local or national Recording Artist some time to promote their voice and talents for an upcoming show in that market or a Single or Album release
That is my point regarding the anthem being "different" at a hockey game
Canadians sing along, usually at least partially in French. The Blackhawks and the cheering, shooting, and howling during the anthem. The Stars, I think, emphasize "stars" almost as a chant, when "stars" appears in the lyrics
And, of course, most/all hockey teams have a dedicated Soloist, often a male Tenor, as the Voice of the anthem(s). And yes teams can and do have a female Soloist as the anthem singer. It is a much more integrated part of the team's identity, their specific Soloist in their arena
Baseball, football, basketball, etc yes all have the anthem, but (imho) it is often sold as more of a PR stunt to support the military and give a local or national Recording Artist some time to promote their voice and talents for an upcoming show in that market or a Single or Album release
That is my point regarding the anthem being "different" at a hockey game
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: MisterSG1 on July 23, 2020, 01:11:19 AM
Post by: MisterSG1 on July 23, 2020, 01:11:19 AM
Part of it moreso is the timing of the anthems, at least at games I've been to.
In NBA and MLB, the national anthems (as is the case in Toronto) happen around 10 minutes before the tipoff or first pitch respectively.
In the NHL, as well as CFL and MLS, the anthem(s) happen immediately before the game in question.
I think the NFL does it the same way but I'm not sure, I've only ever been to one NFL game actually in an NFL stadium so I can't remember.
As for O Canada, usually if someone wants to put in French lyrics anywhere in English Canada, they switch to French at the "Car ton bras" portion of the lyrics, and switch back to English at "God keep our land". While at Canadiens games, the anthem would start in French, and switch to English at "God keep our land", I assume this was the case at Expos games as well but I'm unsure.
I assume if the anthem is to be televised, which it probably won't, the approach I've seen when such contests featured solely US clubs playing in Canada, such as the short lived International Bowl, Bills in Toronto, or even the 2012 MLS Cup, they would sing/play The Star Spangled Banner followed by O Canada. I believe this is how it's done at Spring Training games at Dunedin but in the opposite order, the Blue Jays may be a "Canadian team", but the game is being played on US soil, even if it is a "home game" for the Jays.
In NBA and MLB, the national anthems (as is the case in Toronto) happen around 10 minutes before the tipoff or first pitch respectively.
In the NHL, as well as CFL and MLS, the anthem(s) happen immediately before the game in question.
I think the NFL does it the same way but I'm not sure, I've only ever been to one NFL game actually in an NFL stadium so I can't remember.
As for O Canada, usually if someone wants to put in French lyrics anywhere in English Canada, they switch to French at the "Car ton bras" portion of the lyrics, and switch back to English at "God keep our land". While at Canadiens games, the anthem would start in French, and switch to English at "God keep our land", I assume this was the case at Expos games as well but I'm unsure.
I assume if the anthem is to be televised, which it probably won't, the approach I've seen when such contests featured solely US clubs playing in Canada, such as the short lived International Bowl, Bills in Toronto, or even the 2012 MLS Cup, they would sing/play The Star Spangled Banner followed by O Canada. I believe this is how it's done at Spring Training games at Dunedin but in the opposite order, the Blue Jays may be a "Canadian team", but the game is being played on US soil, even if it is a "home game" for the Jays.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 23, 2020, 08:17:17 AM
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 23, 2020, 08:17:17 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on July 22, 2020, 05:08:09 PM
Part of the issue that Chicago raises (and I think this is the issue that PA DoH raised with Pittsburgh) is, it violates the "zones" /regionalized schedule, as it would then make Wrigley and Guaranteed Rate Fields cross-over points for the "East" and "Central" zone teams
If I wanted to lay a wager, I'd bet the Blue Jays play with no home stadium, and play exclusively at their opponent's parks
That is why I thought New York would be a better option.
But I think you're right. I think they are on the road for the season. The players don't want a AAA park.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on July 23, 2020, 09:13:37 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on July 23, 2020, 09:13:37 AM
Regarding the anthems, I know the Nats plan to have Bob McDonald (one of the Caps' anthem singers) perform "God Bless America" during the seventh inning tonight, so I assume that means the anthem(s) will be performed as well.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 23, 2020, 10:40:02 AM
Post by: Henry on July 23, 2020, 10:40:02 AM
Now the Blue Jays are in talks with their fierce rivals to play in Camden Yards, and this may as well be their last-ditch option:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29512573/blue-jays-players-told-baltimore-option-holding-games
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29512573/blue-jays-players-told-baltimore-option-holding-games
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 23, 2020, 11:21:48 AM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 23, 2020, 11:21:48 AM
Quote from: Henry on July 23, 2020, 10:40:02 AMThey could also play in Hartford.
Now the Blue Jays are in talks with their fierce rivals to play in Camden Yards, and this may as well be their last-ditch option:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29512573/blue-jays-players-told-baltimore-option-holding-games
https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/sports/hartford-mayor-to-toronto-blue-jays-hartfords-ready/2306504/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on July 24, 2020, 12:59:29 PM
Post by: Takumi on July 24, 2020, 12:59:29 PM
It's Buffalo after all.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29530941/source-blue-jays-play-home-games-buffalo
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29530941/source-blue-jays-play-home-games-buffalo
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on July 24, 2020, 01:10:58 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on July 24, 2020, 01:10:58 PM
Quote from: Takumi on July 24, 2020, 12:59:29 PM
It's Buffalo after all.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29530941/source-blue-jays-play-home-games-buffalo
If and it's a big "if", the Jays won the World Series this year at "home" in Buffalo. Will we read as champion title "Buffalo Blue Jays World Series champions"? That would help Buffalo to end a very long sports drought. ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on July 24, 2020, 04:06:14 PM
Post by: ET21 on July 24, 2020, 04:06:14 PM
Happy Opening Day everyone, go Sox
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on July 24, 2020, 04:17:09 PM
Post by: ilpt4u on July 24, 2020, 04:17:09 PM
Quote from: ET21 on July 24, 2020, 04:06:14 PMGo Cubs Go!
Happy Opening Day everyone, go Sox
Also, Redbirds suck
Really, I'd be fine watching a Mariners-Bay Rays game right now (yes, I know they won't play in the regular season, due to the Regional scheduling format)
Been a longer than normal wait for the boys of summer to get back on the diamond. 2020, what a year, so far
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 24, 2020, 04:22:47 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 24, 2020, 04:22:47 PM
Quote from: ET21 on July 24, 2020, 04:06:14 PMYes. Go RED Sox.
Happy Opening Day everyone, go Sox
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on July 24, 2020, 08:36:57 PM
Post by: Alps on July 24, 2020, 08:36:57 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 24, 2020, 04:22:47 PMGo AWAY.Quote from: ET21 on July 24, 2020, 04:06:14 PMYes. Go RED Sox.
Happy Opening Day everyone, go Sox
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on July 24, 2020, 10:27:43 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on July 24, 2020, 10:27:43 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 24, 2020, 04:22:47 PMQuote from: ET21 on July 24, 2020, 04:06:14 PMYes. Go RED Sox.
Happy Opening Day everyone, go Sox
Enjoying this 13-2 thumping of the Little Sisters of the Poor, Baltimore Chapter.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on July 24, 2020, 10:59:52 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on July 24, 2020, 10:59:52 PM
I'm surprised the first choice for the Jay's wasn't Buffalo right away. It's not just proximity; they have a decent stadium and they're already Toronto's AAA affiliate, so that just seems like a good fit. And there's no juggling of schedules with another MLB team.
After all, Buffalo was one of the cities with their hat in the ring for expansion in the early 90's. (They might have succeeded if it was 50 years earlier. :P )
It was good to hear Bob Ueker's voice again in play-by-play. Not the start I wanted, but Hendricks had good shit today.
At least the championship the Dodgers bought this year will have an asterisk because of the tiny season. :-/
After all, Buffalo was one of the cities with their hat in the ring for expansion in the early 90's. (They might have succeeded if it was 50 years earlier. :P )
It was good to hear Bob Ueker's voice again in play-by-play. Not the start I wanted, but Hendricks had good shit today.
At least the championship the Dodgers bought this year will have an asterisk because of the tiny season. :-/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: DandyDan on July 25, 2020, 06:24:56 AM
Post by: DandyDan on July 25, 2020, 06:24:56 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on July 24, 2020, 10:59:52 PMOne thing I read about that is that the lights there are substandard. Not sure why they just couldn't invest in good lights.
I'm surprised the first choice for the Jay's wasn't Buffalo right away. It's not just proximity; they have a decent stadium and they're already Toronto's AAA affiliate, so that just seems like a good fit. And there's no juggling of schedules with another MLB team.
After all, Buffalo was one of the cities with their hat in the ring for expansion in the early 90's. (They might have succeeded if it was 50 years earlier. :P )
It was good to hear Bob Ueker's voice again in play-by-play. Not the start I wanted, but Hendricks had good shit today.
At least the championship the Dodgers bought this year will have an asterisk because of the tiny season. :-/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on July 25, 2020, 12:14:23 PM
Post by: ET21 on July 25, 2020, 12:14:23 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 24, 2020, 04:22:47 PMQuote from: ET21 on July 24, 2020, 04:06:14 PMYes. Go WHITE Sox.
Happy Opening Day everyone, go Sox
Fixed your typo
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on July 26, 2020, 10:15:51 AM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on July 26, 2020, 10:15:51 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on July 24, 2020, 10:59:52 PM
I'm surprised the first choice for the Jay's wasn't Buffalo right away. It's not just proximity; they have a decent stadium and they're already Toronto's AAA affiliate, so that just seems like a good fit. And there's no juggling of schedules with another MLB team.
After all, Buffalo was one of the cities with their hat in the ring for expansion in the early 90's. (They might have succeeded if it was 50 years earlier. :P )
Buffalo did have their toes in the major leagues earlier with many teams who shared the Bisons name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Bisons_(disambiguation) And there was the Bisons Blues in the short-lived Federal League. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Blues
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on July 26, 2020, 09:54:24 PM
Post by: Takumi on July 26, 2020, 09:54:24 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on July 24, 2020, 10:27:43 PMOne out of three ain't bad :-PQuote from: Roadgeekteen on July 24, 2020, 04:22:47 PMQuote from: ET21 on July 24, 2020, 04:06:14 PMYes. Go RED Sox.
Happy Opening Day everyone, go Sox
Enjoying this 13-2 thumping of the Little Sisters of the Poor, Baltimore Chapter.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 27, 2020, 08:05:27 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 27, 2020, 08:05:27 AM
There were no sweeps in the first weekend. Every team is either 2-1, 2-2, or 1-2. With 56-57 games to go, no team is more than 1 game out of their division lead.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 27, 2020, 09:58:23 AM
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 27, 2020, 09:58:23 AM
There is little chance the season gets completed. Look what is happening with the Marlins right now.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 27, 2020, 11:00:02 AM
Post by: Henry on July 27, 2020, 11:00:02 AM
At least Fox isn't playing the NFL theme anymore. It never felt right with MLB, and I'm glad the old theme is back.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 27, 2020, 11:01:47 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 27, 2020, 11:01:47 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 27, 2020, 09:58:23 AM
There is little chance the season gets completed. Look what is happening with the Marlins right now.
If you remember back in March, the cancellation of sporting events was what got the ball rolling that led to statewide stay at home orders. Not impossible that we are headed there again.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on July 27, 2020, 11:13:19 AM
Post by: Big John on July 27, 2020, 11:13:19 AM
Marlins home postponed tonight. Yankees/Phillies game tonight also postponed as the visitors clubhouse is infected.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on July 27, 2020, 03:53:31 PM
Post by: CoreySamson on July 27, 2020, 03:53:31 PM
Ugh. Verlander is already hurt. At least we have McCullers back.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 27, 2020, 04:03:39 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 27, 2020, 04:03:39 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on July 27, 2020, 03:53:31 PM
Ugh. Verlander is already hurt. At least we have McCullers back.
All that trash can banging is a strain on the arm.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on July 27, 2020, 04:14:36 PM
Post by: Big John on July 27, 2020, 04:14:36 PM
Tomorrow's Marlins games postponed. The game at Philly status is unclear.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jmacswimmer on July 27, 2020, 04:14:45 PM
Post by: jmacswimmer on July 27, 2020, 04:14:45 PM
I watched part of SF-LAD on Saturday, and I was very amused/impressed by Dodger Stadium's effort to setup cardboard fans behind home plate and around the stadium. A home run by the Dodgers towards the end of the game actually nailed a cutout's head in the upper decks :-D
FOX then switched me over to NYY-WSH following that game, and I found myself disappointed that Nationals Park did not make the same effort with cardboard fans. But hearing Joe Buck's voice again for the first time in months was oddly reassuring, I must say.
FOX then switched me over to NYY-WSH following that game, and I found myself disappointed that Nationals Park did not make the same effort with cardboard fans. But hearing Joe Buck's voice again for the first time in months was oddly reassuring, I must say.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 11:24:28 AM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 11:24:28 AM
Just disband the Marlins and move ahead with 29 teams. Not like they matter.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on July 28, 2020, 11:30:47 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on July 28, 2020, 11:30:47 AM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on July 27, 2020, 04:14:45 PM
I watched part of SF-LAD on Saturday, and I was very amused/impressed by Dodger Stadium's effort to setup cardboard fans behind home plate and around the stadium. A home run by the Dodgers towards the end of the game actually nailed a cutout's head in the upper decks :-D
FOX then switched me over to NYY-WSH following that game, and I found myself disappointed that Nationals Park did not make the same effort with cardboard fans. But hearing Joe Buck's voice again for the first time in months was oddly reassuring, I must say.
Bear in mind one very big difference between those two venues is that Chavez Ravine doesn't get hit with thunderstorms the way the DC area does. Cardboard fans wouldn't last all that long during the peak of summer around here (if you saw last Thursday night's game, you'll understand why).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on July 28, 2020, 11:33:26 AM
Post by: hotdogPi on July 28, 2020, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 11:24:28 AM
Just disband the Marlins and move ahead with 29 teams. Not like they matter.
There are problems with having an odd number of teams.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 11:34:36 AM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 11:34:36 AM
Quote from: 1 on July 28, 2020, 11:33:26 AMSeemed to work with the NBA between 1995 and 2004.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 11:24:28 AM
Just disband the Marlins and move ahead with 29 teams. Not like they matter.
There are problems with having an odd number of teams.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jmacswimmer on July 28, 2020, 11:41:21 AM
Post by: jmacswimmer on July 28, 2020, 11:41:21 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 28, 2020, 11:30:47 AMQuote from: jmacswimmer on July 27, 2020, 04:14:45 PM
I watched part of SF-LAD on Saturday, and I was very amused/impressed by Dodger Stadium's effort to setup cardboard fans behind home plate and around the stadium. A home run by the Dodgers towards the end of the game actually nailed a cutout's head in the upper decks :-D
FOX then switched me over to NYY-WSH following that game, and I found myself disappointed that Nationals Park did not make the same effort with cardboard fans. But hearing Joe Buck's voice again for the first time in months was oddly reassuring, I must say.
Bear in mind one very big difference between those two venues is that Chavez Ravine doesn't get hit with thunderstorms the way the DC area does. Cardboard fans wouldn't last all that long during the peak of summer around here (if you saw last Thursday night's game, you'll understand why).
A fair point I hadn't considered - in fact, the first game I attended at Nationals Park a couple years back wound up being completely rained out!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 28, 2020, 12:38:37 PM
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 28, 2020, 12:38:37 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 11:34:36 AMQuote from: 1 on July 28, 2020, 11:33:26 AMSeemed to work with the NBA between 1995 and 2004.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 11:24:28 AM
Just disband the Marlins and move ahead with 29 teams. Not like they matter.
There are problems with having an odd number of teams.
NBA doesn't play six games a week in three game series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 29, 2020, 10:37:15 AM
Post by: Henry on July 29, 2020, 10:37:15 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 11:34:36 AMThe NFL had 31 teams from 1999 to 2001, and the NHL has had 31 teams since 2017.Quote from: 1 on July 28, 2020, 11:33:26 AMSeemed to work with the NBA between 1995 and 2004.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 11:24:28 AM
Just disband the Marlins and move ahead with 29 teams. Not like they matter.
There are problems with having an odd number of teams.
As for the Marlins situation, I can't say I'm surprised. Hopefully, the Rays are being more careful about it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ftballfan on July 29, 2020, 09:16:10 PM
Post by: ftballfan on July 29, 2020, 09:16:10 PM
Quote from: Henry on July 29, 2020, 10:37:15 AMNot sure if this is 100% true, but I did see that a few Marlins may have gone to a nightclub (maskless, of course) in Atlanta after their exhibition game. If that is true, the player or players that went to the nightclub should be heavily fined and/or suspended for conduct detrimental to baseball. Also, the Marlins team should have to forfeit the games that have been PPD if they're not able to be rescheduled.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 11:34:36 AMThe NFL had 31 teams from 1999 to 2001, and the NHL has had 31 teams since 2017.Quote from: 1 on July 28, 2020, 11:33:26 AMSeemed to work with the NBA between 1995 and 2004.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 11:24:28 AM
Just disband the Marlins and move ahead with 29 teams. Not like they matter.
There are problems with having an odd number of teams.
As for the Marlins situation, I can't say I'm surprised. Hopefully, the Rays are being more careful about it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on July 29, 2020, 10:05:41 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on July 29, 2020, 10:05:41 PM
Quote from: Henry on July 29, 2020, 10:37:15 AMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 11:34:36 AMThe NFL had 31 teams from 1999 to 2001, and the NHL has had 31 teams since 2017.Quote from: 1 on July 28, 2020, 11:33:26 AMSeemed to work with the NBA between 1995 and 2004.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 11:24:28 AM
Just disband the Marlins and move ahead with 29 teams. Not like they matter.
There are problems with having an odd number of teams.
As for the Marlins situation, I can't say I'm surprised. Hopefully, the Rays are being more careful about it.
The NHL also has 21 teams throughout the 1980s and the NBA had 23. When the NBA expanded late in that decade, they added four teams, then added two more (Toronto and Vancouver) in the mid-1990s. So the NBA had an odd number for a long time. They only went to 30 when Charlotte got a new team after the original Hornets moved.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on July 29, 2020, 11:09:12 PM
Post by: ilpt4u on July 29, 2020, 11:09:12 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on July 29, 2020, 09:16:10 PMI'm not an attorney, and certainly not a labor attorney, but having been around Unions enough in my life to this point, there is no way your employer can punish you for your actions on your time. The MLBPA would have a field day with that. There cannot be any fines/suspensions for going to a nightclub when the players are "off the clock." And that begins by assuming this nightclub rumor is true to begin with, which who knows?
Not sure if this is 100% true, but I did see that a few Marlins may have gone to a nightclub (maskless, of course) in Atlanta after their exhibition game. If that is true, the player or players that went to the nightclub should be heavily fined and/or suspended for conduct detrimental to baseball. Also, the Marlins team should have to forfeit the games that have been PPD if they're not able to be rescheduled.
Now, what there could be disciplinary action for is playing a game while testing positive instead of having quaranteend those individuals. A "players only" vote to decide to play instead of quaranteen...THAT is what either the Marlins and/or MLB need to take some form of corrective action to ensure that is NOT the way this is handled going forward
The forfeit, is a non-starter. Competitive-balance issues especially for teams in the "East" that had those forfeit games vs those that had to be played against the Marlins, and even for teams in the "Central" and "West." With only a 60 game schedule and 8 teams per league making the MLB Playoffs, the beneficiaries of those forfeits get a pretty major leg up on their competition
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 29, 2020, 11:39:34 PM
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 29, 2020, 11:39:34 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 29, 2020, 10:05:41 PMQuote from: Henry on July 29, 2020, 10:37:15 AMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 11:34:36 AMThe NFL had 31 teams from 1999 to 2001, and the NHL has had 31 teams since 2017.Quote from: 1 on July 28, 2020, 11:33:26 AMSeemed to work with the NBA between 1995 and 2004.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 11:24:28 AM
Just disband the Marlins and move ahead with 29 teams. Not like they matter.
There are problems with having an odd number of teams.
As for the Marlins situation, I can't say I'm surprised. Hopefully, the Rays are being more careful about it.
The NHL also has 21 teams throughout the 1980s and the NBA had 23. When the NBA expanded late in that decade, they added four teams, then added two more (Toronto and Vancouver) in the mid-1990s. So the NBA had an odd number for a long time. They only went to 30 when Charlotte got a new team after the original Hornets moved.
Baseball is showing how an odd number of team does NOT work. Along with the Marlins being out, the Phillies have been left out to dry and won't be playing till Saturday (and supposedly none of the Phils have tested positive for COVID over the weekend)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on July 29, 2020, 11:47:03 PM
Post by: ilpt4u on July 29, 2020, 11:47:03 PM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 29, 2020, 11:39:34 PMI was under the impression MLB was pushing back Phillies games, since it was known the Marlins played the Sunday game against the Phillies with players who tested positive and played anywayQuote from: 1995hoo on July 29, 2020, 10:05:41 PMQuote from: Henry on July 29, 2020, 10:37:15 AMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 11:34:36 AMThe NFL had 31 teams from 1999 to 2001, and the NHL has had 31 teams since 2017.Quote from: 1 on July 28, 2020, 11:33:26 AMSeemed to work with the NBA between 1995 and 2004.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 11:24:28 AM
Just disband the Marlins and move ahead with 29 teams. Not like they matter.
There are problems with having an odd number of teams.
As for the Marlins situation, I can't say I'm surprised. Hopefully, the Rays are being more careful about it.
The NHL also has 21 teams throughout the 1980s and the NBA had 23. When the NBA expanded late in that decade, they added four teams, then added two more (Toronto and Vancouver) in the mid-1990s. So the NBA had an odd number for a long time. They only went to 30 when Charlotte got a new team after the original Hornets moved.
Baseball is showing how an odd number of team does NOT work. Along with the Marlins being out, the Phillies have been left out to dry and won't be playing till Saturday (and supposedly none of the Phils have tested positive for COVID over the weekend)
MLB is using an "abundance of caution" before putting the Phillies back on the field, as COVID is known to potentially have an incubation period
Assuming no positive tests by Saturday morning on the Phils, they will play their Saturday doubleheader. At least that is the current plan
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on July 30, 2020, 07:39:31 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on July 30, 2020, 07:39:31 AM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 29, 2020, 11:39:34 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on July 29, 2020, 10:05:41 PMQuote from: Henry on July 29, 2020, 10:37:15 AMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 11:34:36 AMThe NFL had 31 teams from 1999 to 2001, and the NHL has had 31 teams since 2017.Quote from: 1 on July 28, 2020, 11:33:26 AMSeemed to work with the NBA between 1995 and 2004.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 11:24:28 AM
Just disband the Marlins and move ahead with 29 teams. Not like they matter.
There are problems with having an odd number of teams.
As for the Marlins situation, I can't say I'm surprised. Hopefully, the Rays are being more careful about it.
The NHL also has 21 teams throughout the 1980s and the NBA had 23. When the NBA expanded late in that decade, they added four teams, then added two more (Toronto and Vancouver) in the mid-1990s. So the NBA had an odd number for a long time. They only went to 30 when Charlotte got a new team after the original Hornets moved.
Baseball is showing how an odd number of team does NOT work. Along with the Marlins being out, the Phillies have been left out to dry and won't be playing till Saturday (and supposedly none of the Phils have tested positive for COVID over the weekend)
I was just responding to the comment about an odd number of teams. What makes baseball different from the other sports is that baseball teams play almost every day as long as they have at least one day off at least every 21 days, per the CBA. In hockey, for example, the CBA says no team can play three days in a row (the minor leagues are different).
This is why, until the annoying expansion of interleague baseball, both leagues had even numbers of teams (14 in the AL and 12 in the NL when I was growing up). It was impractical to make the schedule work otherwise because one team in each league would have had to have a day off every day and it would have been extremely difficult to manage a full 162 games, even had they played more doubleheaders. Under the current schedule, there's an interleague game pretty much every day of the season. Going to an odd number of teams would cause the same problem as before even with expanded interleague scheduling.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 30, 2020, 09:29:24 AM
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 30, 2020, 09:29:24 AM
Quote from: ftballfan on July 29, 2020, 09:16:10 PMQuote from: Henry on July 29, 2020, 10:37:15 AMNot sure if this is 100% true, but I did see that a few Marlins may have gone to a nightclub (maskless, of course) in Atlanta after their exhibition game. If that is true, the player or players that went to the nightclub should be heavily fined and/or suspended for conduct detrimental to baseball. Also, the Marlins team should have to forfeit the games that have been PPD if they're not able to be rescheduled.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 11:34:36 AMThe NFL had 31 teams from 1999 to 2001, and the NHL has had 31 teams since 2017.Quote from: 1 on July 28, 2020, 11:33:26 AMSeemed to work with the NBA between 1995 and 2004.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 11:24:28 AM
Just disband the Marlins and move ahead with 29 teams. Not like they matter.
There are problems with having an odd number of teams.
As for the Marlins situation, I can't say I'm surprised. Hopefully, the Rays are being more careful about it.
I doubt they could be fined or suspended unless it is within the bounds of the CBA with the Union. I am pretty sure players can go to clubs, etc. because I heard an interview with the Brewers' manager talking about the conversations he has had with players about being responsible, etc.
Forfeiting games is something that I doubt is covered by the CBA.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on July 31, 2020, 12:14:55 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on July 31, 2020, 12:14:55 PM
Two Cardinals players positive and their game against the Brewers today has been postponed. That means 20% of MLB's teams are idle today. The Nats will only play twice in the next week, assuming no more postponements (their three games against the Marlins this weekend were postponed and they had scheduled off days Monday and Thursday).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: STLmapboy on July 31, 2020, 01:04:00 PM
Post by: STLmapboy on July 31, 2020, 01:04:00 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 31, 2020, 12:14:55 PM
Two Cardinals players positive and their game against the Brewers today has been postponed. That means 20% of MLB's teams are idle today. The Nats will only play twice in the next week, assuming no more postponements (their three games against the Marlins this weekend were postponed and they had scheduled off days Monday and Thursday).
Shit. I actually enjoyed the home openers against the Pirates.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on August 20, 2020, 11:54:44 AM
Post by: CoreySamson on August 20, 2020, 11:54:44 AM
What the heck is going on with the Astros. The amount of injuries they've sustained is incredible. All of the below players are injured:
Verlander, Alvarez, Brantley, Urquidy, Osuna, Devenski, and Diaz are all injured, not to mention tons of minor leaguers.
Yet they are still on a 7-game winning streak playing with tons of subs.
Verlander, Alvarez, Brantley, Urquidy, Osuna, Devenski, and Diaz are all injured, not to mention tons of minor leaguers.
Yet they are still on a 7-game winning streak playing with tons of subs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on August 20, 2020, 08:01:49 PM
Post by: Alps on August 20, 2020, 08:01:49 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on August 20, 2020, 11:54:44 AMFTFY
What the heck is going on with the Astros. The amount of injuries they've sustained is justified by cheating for multiple years.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 20, 2020, 08:17:43 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 20, 2020, 08:17:43 PM
We're 5 weeks away from the end of the season and with the expanded 16-team playoff on the horizon, there are already 8 teams with > 90% probability of making the playoffs. Yes, having home field advantage for 3 of 5 or 4 of 7 games is nice, but not valuable enough to risk injury to key players. As these teams start to move closer to 100%, I predict that we are going to see a lot of teams resting key players the last couple weeks of the season.
In future years, if MLB is going to keep an expanded playoffs, whether it be 12, 14 or 16 teams, I'd like to see MLB create more incentive for earning higher seeds. Give the higher seed 4 home games in best-of-five series with a 2-1-2 format and 5 home games in a best-of-seven series with a 2-2-3 format. Give teams a real incentive to put their best lineups out all the way to the end of the season.
In future years, if MLB is going to keep an expanded playoffs, whether it be 12, 14 or 16 teams, I'd like to see MLB create more incentive for earning higher seeds. Give the higher seed 4 home games in best-of-five series with a 2-1-2 format and 5 home games in a best-of-seven series with a 2-2-3 format. Give teams a real incentive to put their best lineups out all the way to the end of the season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on August 20, 2020, 08:33:53 PM
Post by: ilpt4u on August 20, 2020, 08:33:53 PM
I like the idea, if an expanded "Wild Card" round sticks around beyond this year, that it be a 3 game series, but the higher seed wins the series with just 1 win, whereas the lower seed has to win 2 games to win the series
I'm not sure I like the idea of continuing that to the Divisional Series, but the idea could even work there. Higher seed only needs to win 2 to advance, lower seed needs 3 wins to advance
I don't like that idea at the LCS round or the WS
I'm not sure I like the idea of continuing that to the Divisional Series, but the idea could even work there. Higher seed only needs to win 2 to advance, lower seed needs 3 wins to advance
I don't like that idea at the LCS round or the WS
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on August 21, 2020, 12:49:11 AM
Post by: Alps on August 21, 2020, 12:49:11 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 20, 2020, 08:33:53 PMYou know that would be a 2 game series, right?
I like the idea, if an expanded "Wild Card" round sticks around beyond this year, that it be a 3 game series, but the higher seed wins the series with just 1 win, whereas the lower seed has to win 2 games to win the series
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on August 21, 2020, 12:51:48 AM
Post by: ilpt4u on August 21, 2020, 12:51:48 AM
Quote from: Alps on August 21, 2020, 12:49:11 AMSorry, I had a brain fart. I know now... :rolleyes:Quote from: ilpt4u on August 20, 2020, 08:33:53 PMYou know that would be a 2 game series, right?
I like the idea, if an expanded "Wild Card" round sticks around beyond this year, that it be a 3 game series, but the higher seed wins the series with just 1 win, whereas the lower seed has to win 2 games to win the series
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on August 21, 2020, 01:56:36 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on August 21, 2020, 01:56:36 AM
White Sox whooped the Tigers 9-0, nice.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on August 21, 2020, 05:43:44 AM
Post by: kevinb1994 on August 21, 2020, 05:43:44 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 21, 2020, 01:56:36 AMTigers weren't too mighty, eh? ;)
White Sox whooped the Tigers 9-0, nice.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on August 21, 2020, 09:17:17 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on August 21, 2020, 09:17:17 AM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on August 21, 2020, 05:43:44 AMNot at all which I love seeing.Quote from: Flint1979 on August 21, 2020, 01:56:36 AMTigers weren't too mighty, eh? ;)
White Sox whooped the Tigers 9-0, nice.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on August 21, 2020, 09:21:04 AM
Post by: hotdogPi on August 21, 2020, 09:21:04 AM
What's interesting about a 9-0 score is that 9-0 is the score that gets recorded if a game is forfeited.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on August 21, 2020, 04:04:40 PM
Post by: CoreySamson on August 21, 2020, 04:04:40 PM
Add Bregman and James to the injured list.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on August 26, 2020, 12:03:24 AM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on August 26, 2020, 12:03:24 AM
Speaking of the White Sox, Lucas Giolito with the first no-hitter of the season as they blank the Pirates 4-0. 13 K's, and only 1 walk away from a perfect game.
As for my Sox: we won tonight, but overall, it's been an epic trainwreck.
As for my Sox: we won tonight, but overall, it's been an epic trainwreck.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on August 31, 2020, 10:00:59 PM
Post by: ET21 on August 31, 2020, 10:00:59 PM
I've been enjoying the White Sox so far
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 01, 2020, 07:37:54 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 01, 2020, 07:37:54 AM
Quote from: ET21 on August 31, 2020, 10:00:59 PM
I've been enjoying the White Sox so far
Me too. Very weird game last night. 3 errors by the Sox in the 1st lead to 4 Twins runs, and an error on the easiest of fly balls leads to 3 Sox runs in the 9th.
Almost a foregone conclusion that the playoffs are forthcoming. Just a matter of whether they finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 02, 2020, 09:33:31 AM
Post by: Henry on September 02, 2020, 09:33:31 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 01, 2020, 07:37:54 AMFWIW, it's a very good year for Chicago baseball, because my Cubs are in first place...again!Quote from: ET21 on August 31, 2020, 10:00:59 PM
I've been enjoying the White Sox so far
Me too. Very weird game last night. 3 errors by the Sox in the 1st lead to 4 Twins runs, and an error on the easiest of fly balls leads to 3 Sox runs in the 9th.
Almost a foregone conclusion that the playoffs are forthcoming. Just a matter of whether they finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: thspfc on September 02, 2020, 04:33:36 PM
Post by: thspfc on September 02, 2020, 04:33:36 PM
Quote from: Henry on September 02, 2020, 09:33:31 AMFirst place in a below average division, yes.Quote from: cabiness42 on September 01, 2020, 07:37:54 AMFWIW, it's a very good year for Chicago baseball, because my Cubs are in first place...again!Quote from: ET21 on August 31, 2020, 10:00:59 PM
I've been enjoying the White Sox so far
Me too. Very weird game last night. 3 errors by the Sox in the 1st lead to 4 Twins runs, and an error on the easiest of fly balls leads to 3 Sox runs in the 9th.
Almost a foregone conclusion that the playoffs are forthcoming. Just a matter of whether they finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 02, 2020, 04:50:44 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 02, 2020, 04:50:44 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 02, 2020, 04:33:36 PMQuote from: Henry on September 02, 2020, 09:33:31 AMFirst place in a below average division, yes.Quote from: cabiness42 on September 01, 2020, 07:37:54 AMFWIW, it's a very good year for Chicago baseball, because my Cubs are in first place...again!Quote from: ET21 on August 31, 2020, 10:00:59 PM
I've been enjoying the White Sox so far
Me too. Very weird game last night. 3 errors by the Sox in the 1st lead to 4 Twins runs, and an error on the easiest of fly balls leads to 3 Sox runs in the 9th.
Almost a foregone conclusion that the playoffs are forthcoming. Just a matter of whether they finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
For sure. In this shortened season, the only out of division games are against the geographic counterpart in the other league. To date, the AL Central is 37-23 vs the NL Central. The 4th place Detroit Tigers are 9-4 vs the NL Central.
I would put good money on the NL Champion coming from the West.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on September 02, 2020, 04:54:35 PM
Post by: kevinb1994 on September 02, 2020, 04:54:35 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 02, 2020, 04:50:44 PMOh, you mean the Dodgers, tell me what other team or teams would qualify under the NL West.Quote from: thspfc on September 02, 2020, 04:33:36 PMQuote from: Henry on September 02, 2020, 09:33:31 AMFirst place in a below average division, yes.Quote from: cabiness42 on September 01, 2020, 07:37:54 AMFWIW, it's a very good year for Chicago baseball, because my Cubs are in first place...again!Quote from: ET21 on August 31, 2020, 10:00:59 PM
I've been enjoying the White Sox so far
Me too. Very weird game last night. 3 errors by the Sox in the 1st lead to 4 Twins runs, and an error on the easiest of fly balls leads to 3 Sox runs in the 9th.
Almost a foregone conclusion that the playoffs are forthcoming. Just a matter of whether they finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
For sure. In this shortened season, the only out of division games are against the geographic counterpart in the other league. To date, the AL Central is 37-23 vs the NL Central. The 4th place Detroit Tigers are 9-4 vs the NL Central.
I would put good money on the NL Champion coming from the West.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: thspfc on September 02, 2020, 05:05:18 PM
Post by: thspfc on September 02, 2020, 05:05:18 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 02, 2020, 04:50:44 PMThe two best teams in the NL as of right now, the Dodgers and Padres, could very well face each other in the Dvisional series.Quote from: thspfc on September 02, 2020, 04:33:36 PMQuote from: Henry on September 02, 2020, 09:33:31 AMFirst place in a below average division, yes.Quote from: cabiness42 on September 01, 2020, 07:37:54 AMFWIW, it's a very good year for Chicago baseball, because my Cubs are in first place...again!Quote from: ET21 on August 31, 2020, 10:00:59 PM
I've been enjoying the White Sox so far
Me too. Very weird game last night. 3 errors by the Sox in the 1st lead to 4 Twins runs, and an error on the easiest of fly balls leads to 3 Sox runs in the 9th.
Almost a foregone conclusion that the playoffs are forthcoming. Just a matter of whether they finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
For sure. In this shortened season, the only out of division games are against the geographic counterpart in the other league. To date, the AL Central is 37-23 vs the NL Central. The 4th place Detroit Tigers are 9-4 vs the NL Central.
I would put good money on the NL Champion coming from the West.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on September 03, 2020, 05:48:17 PM
Post by: CoreySamson on September 03, 2020, 05:48:17 PM
Guess what? Jose Altuve got hurt earlier today in the win against the Rangers.
I'm in awe how the Astros are managing to put together a successful season with so many injuries and inexperienced players. Yet here they are, 21-15 and a virtual lock to be in the playoffs.
I'm in awe how the Astros are managing to put together a successful season with so many injuries and inexperienced players. Yet here they are, 21-15 and a virtual lock to be in the playoffs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on September 03, 2020, 08:04:01 PM
Post by: Takumi on September 03, 2020, 08:04:01 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on September 03, 2020, 05:48:17 PMI'm far from a Yankees fan, but they've been masterful at that in recent years.
Guess what? Jose Altuve got hurt earlier today in the win against the Rangers.
I'm in awe how the Astros are managing to put together a successful season with so many injuries and inexperienced players. Yet here they are, 21-15 and a virtual lock to be in the playoffs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 03, 2020, 08:25:33 PM
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 03, 2020, 08:25:33 PM
Quote from: Takumi on September 03, 2020, 08:04:01 PMQuote from: CoreySamson on September 03, 2020, 05:48:17 PMI'm far from a Yankees fan, but they've been masterful at that in recent years.
Guess what? Jose Altuve got hurt earlier today in the win against the Rangers.
I'm in awe how the Astros are managing to put together a successful season with so many injuries and inexperienced players. Yet here they are, 21-15 and a virtual lock to be in the playoffs.
Of course, in years past, there was a reason they've been "masterful".
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: thspfc on September 03, 2020, 08:45:48 PM
Post by: thspfc on September 03, 2020, 08:45:48 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on September 03, 2020, 05:48:17 PMI hope they win the series this year. Baseball would explode. All the whiners would be silenced.
Guess what? Jose Altuve got hurt earlier today in the win against the Rangers.
I'm in awe how the Astros are managing to put together a successful season with so many injuries and inexperienced players. Yet here they are, 21-15 and a virtual lock to be in the playoffs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 03, 2020, 09:05:47 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 03, 2020, 09:05:47 PM
The World Series trophy should be physically smaller this season.
A permanent reminder that the 'champ' only won a sprint and not a marathon.
A permanent reminder that the 'champ' only won a sprint and not a marathon.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on September 03, 2020, 11:38:36 PM
Post by: Alps on September 03, 2020, 11:38:36 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 03, 2020, 08:45:48 PMI hate when cheaters win, but this country seems to be doing very well at that lately. (And this is even just talking sports)Quote from: CoreySamson on September 03, 2020, 05:48:17 PMI hope they win the series this year. Baseball would explode. All the whiners would be silenced.
Guess what? Jose Altuve got hurt earlier today in the win against the Rangers.
I'm in awe how the Astros are managing to put together a successful season with so many injuries and inexperienced players. Yet here they are, 21-15 and a virtual lock to be in the playoffs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on September 04, 2020, 02:01:05 AM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on September 04, 2020, 02:01:05 AM
Quote from: Alps on September 03, 2020, 11:38:36 PMQuote from: thspfc on September 03, 2020, 08:45:48 PMI hate when cheaters win, but this country seems to be doing very well at that lately. (And this is even just talking sports)Quote from: CoreySamson on September 03, 2020, 05:48:17 PMI hope they win the series this year. Baseball would explode. All the whiners would be silenced.
Guess what? Jose Altuve got hurt earlier today in the win against the Rangers.
I'm in awe how the Astros are managing to put together a successful season with so many injuries and inexperienced players. Yet here they are, 21-15 and a virtual lock to be in the playoffs.
Unless your the Red Sox. They just seem to be trotting out a weak sauce candidate and tanking for a top draft pick. They're now inventing ways to lose, as evidenced by tonight's little league sequence to blow the lead then going full nuclear meltdown in extras. The games should have a TV-MA rating they're so tough to watch.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: thspfc on September 04, 2020, 01:33:53 PM
Post by: thspfc on September 04, 2020, 01:33:53 PM
Quote from: Alps on September 03, 2020, 11:38:36 PMYep, Patriots have won *checks notes* zero Super Bowls by cheating, Astros have won *checks notes* zero legitimate World Series by cheating. Gosh, all the cheating going on is really killing sports. :rolleyes:Quote from: thspfc on September 03, 2020, 08:45:48 PMI hate when cheaters win, but this country seems to be doing very well at that lately. (And this is even just talking sports)Quote from: CoreySamson on September 03, 2020, 05:48:17 PMI hope they win the series this year. Baseball would explode. All the whiners would be silenced.
Guess what? Jose Altuve got hurt earlier today in the win against the Rangers.
I'm in awe how the Astros are managing to put together a successful season with so many injuries and inexperienced players. Yet here they are, 21-15 and a virtual lock to be in the playoffs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on September 04, 2020, 02:55:12 PM
Post by: Alps on September 04, 2020, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 04, 2020, 01:33:53 PMzero "legitimate" i like what you did thereQuote from: Alps on September 03, 2020, 11:38:36 PMYep, Patriots have won *checks notes* zero Super Bowls by cheating, Astros have won *checks notes* zero legitimate World Series by cheating. Gosh, all the cheating going on is really killing sports. :rolleyes:Quote from: thspfc on September 03, 2020, 08:45:48 PMI hate when cheaters win, but this country seems to be doing very well at that lately. (And this is even just talking sports)Quote from: CoreySamson on September 03, 2020, 05:48:17 PMI hope they win the series this year. Baseball would explode. All the whiners would be silenced.
Guess what? Jose Altuve got hurt earlier today in the win against the Rangers.
I'm in awe how the Astros are managing to put together a successful season with so many injuries and inexperienced players. Yet here they are, 21-15 and a virtual lock to be in the playoffs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on September 07, 2020, 12:29:50 AM
Post by: amroad17 on September 07, 2020, 12:29:50 AM
I just would like to mention that one of the greatest pitchers not only in New York Mets history but in baseball history, Tom Seaver passed away last Monday at the age of 75 from Lewy Body Dementia. I had the pleasure of watching him pitch on TV back in the 1970's. While watching the games, you knew it was more than likely going to be low scoring with few hits allowed and anywhere between 7-11 strikeouts by Seaver. He was just incredible to watch, and he was my second favorite pitcher of all-time--behind Catfish Hunter.
His record: 311 wins, 3,640 strikeouts, 61 shutouts, 2.86 ERA (2.73 NL ERA-best ever in the "live ball" era), and 3 Cy Young Awards. Led the NL in wins and ERA 3 separate times. He still has two major league records: most consecutive strikeouts in a game (10) and most consecutive seasons with 200 or more strikeouts (9). If he had struck out 4 more batters in 1977, he would have had 11 consecutive seasons of 200 or more strikeouts. He also threw a no-hitter in 1978, as a member of the Cincinnati Reds, against the St. Louis Cardinals. And, of course, he was part of the 1969 Miracle Mets World Series Champions.
Long remember "The Franchise"! Long remember "Tom Terrific"! Long remember #41!
His record: 311 wins, 3,640 strikeouts, 61 shutouts, 2.86 ERA (2.73 NL ERA-best ever in the "live ball" era), and 3 Cy Young Awards. Led the NL in wins and ERA 3 separate times. He still has two major league records: most consecutive strikeouts in a game (10) and most consecutive seasons with 200 or more strikeouts (9). If he had struck out 4 more batters in 1977, he would have had 11 consecutive seasons of 200 or more strikeouts. He also threw a no-hitter in 1978, as a member of the Cincinnati Reds, against the St. Louis Cardinals. And, of course, he was part of the 1969 Miracle Mets World Series Champions.
Long remember "The Franchise"! Long remember "Tom Terrific"! Long remember #41!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 07, 2020, 08:42:13 PM
Post by: Henry on September 07, 2020, 08:42:13 PM
Funny you should mention Tom Seaver, because the batter he faced most often was Lou Brock, who passed away yesterday at age 81. Not only was he part of the most lopsided trade in baseball history (going from the Cubs to the Cardinals in the deal that sent Ernie Broglio to Chicago), he was also the all-time stolen base king until Rickey Henderson took that title away. While this deal may or may not have intensified the bad blood that the Cubs and Cardinals had at the time, it certainly catapulted the Cards to one of their greatest periods ever, winning three NL pennants and two World Series titles from 1964 to 1968. Of course, my family is all Cubs fans, so we can only sit back and wonder what would've happened if Brock had never been traded away, but he's one of the most respected Cardinals for us, along with Stan Musial and Tony LaRussa, and all is forgiven. My condolences go out to the Brock family, and to the Cardinals.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 08, 2020, 08:52:51 AM
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 08, 2020, 08:52:51 AM
Quote from: Henry on September 07, 2020, 08:42:13 PM
Funny you should mention Tom Seaver, because the batter he faced most often was Lou Brock, who passed away yesterday at age 81. Not only was he part of the most lopsided trade in baseball history (going from the Cubs to the Cardinals in the deal that sent Ernie Broglio to Chicago), he was also the all-time stolen base king until Rickey Henderson took that title away. While this deal may or may not have intensified the bad blood that the Cubs and Cardinals had at the time, it certainly catapulted the Cards to one of their greatest periods ever, winning three NL pennants and two World Series titles from 1964 to 1968. Of course, my family is all Cubs fans, so we can only sit back and wonder what would've happened if Brock had never been traded away, but he's one of the most respected Cardinals for us, along with Stan Musial and Tony LaRussa, and all is forgiven. My condolences go out to the Brock family, and to the Cardinals.
Tony LaRussa??? No...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 08, 2020, 08:54:51 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 08, 2020, 08:54:51 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 08, 2020, 08:52:51 AMQuote from: Henry on September 07, 2020, 08:42:13 PM
Funny you should mention Tom Seaver, because the batter he faced most often was Lou Brock, who passed away yesterday at age 81. Not only was he part of the most lopsided trade in baseball history (going from the Cubs to the Cardinals in the deal that sent Ernie Broglio to Chicago), he was also the all-time stolen base king until Rickey Henderson took that title away. While this deal may or may not have intensified the bad blood that the Cubs and Cardinals had at the time, it certainly catapulted the Cards to one of their greatest periods ever, winning three NL pennants and two World Series titles from 1964 to 1968. Of course, my family is all Cubs fans, so we can only sit back and wonder what would've happened if Brock had never been traded away, but he's one of the most respected Cardinals for us, along with Stan Musial and Tony LaRussa, and all is forgiven. My condolences go out to the Brock family, and to the Cardinals.
Tony LaRussa??? No...
Cubs fans should respect Tony LaRussa a bunch. He was one of the biggest keys in covering up steroid use, and that allowed the Cubs to explode in popularity with Sammy Sosa.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 08, 2020, 09:30:57 AM
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 08, 2020, 09:30:57 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 08, 2020, 08:54:51 AMQuote from: SEWIGuy on September 08, 2020, 08:52:51 AMQuote from: Henry on September 07, 2020, 08:42:13 PM
Funny you should mention Tom Seaver, because the batter he faced most often was Lou Brock, who passed away yesterday at age 81. Not only was he part of the most lopsided trade in baseball history (going from the Cubs to the Cardinals in the deal that sent Ernie Broglio to Chicago), he was also the all-time stolen base king until Rickey Henderson took that title away. While this deal may or may not have intensified the bad blood that the Cubs and Cardinals had at the time, it certainly catapulted the Cards to one of their greatest periods ever, winning three NL pennants and two World Series titles from 1964 to 1968. Of course, my family is all Cubs fans, so we can only sit back and wonder what would've happened if Brock had never been traded away, but he's one of the most respected Cardinals for us, along with Stan Musial and Tony LaRussa, and all is forgiven. My condolences go out to the Brock family, and to the Cardinals.
Tony LaRussa??? No...
Cubs fans should respect Tony LaRussa a bunch. He was one of the biggest keys in covering up steroid use, and that allowed the Cubs to explode in popularity with Sammy Sosa.
Touche...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on September 13, 2020, 01:26:37 AM
Post by: Desert Man on September 13, 2020, 01:26:37 AM
Minor League Baseball plans to end contracts with 4 minor leagues in the soon to be deleted Rookie and Short-season class-A levels, and 40-42 teams to lose affiliation agreements with Major League Baseball teams. The article is from last year but the plan was for the 2021 season. MiLB cancelled all leagues' 2020 season schedules due to the COVID-19 pandemic (June 30th). And one of the 40-ish teams reportedly up for elimination is the Lancaster JetHawks (Colorado Rockies) of the California League, right in Los Angeles county. There will be 4 levels and 120 teams (30 for each level) of class A (advanced or high, and low), double-A and AAA, there will still be the Arizona and Gulf Coast leagues which do not have game admission charges and stadium concession stands. The Rockies need an advanced or high class A team to fill in the blank in their farm team organization system. If I have money, I would bring a Rockies farm team in Palm Springs in their upgraded stadium.
https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/all-42-teams-reportedly-up-for-elimination-in-mlbs-minor-league-reduction-proposal/
https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/all-42-teams-reportedly-up-for-elimination-in-mlbs-minor-league-reduction-proposal/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on September 13, 2020, 04:44:38 AM
Post by: Desert Man on September 13, 2020, 04:44:38 AM
Possible scenario for minor league ball in So Cal: 1. A triple-A team in the San Bernardino area, most likely a LA Dodgers affiliate (currently, Oklahoma City in Pacific Coast League), 2. a replacement class A team for the Dodgers in Lancaster (not sure they have the JetHawks or plain Dodgers moniker), and 3. a new Cal League team under the Rockies affiliation in Adelanto's Stater Bros Stadium which is up to Cal League standards when they had the "High Desert" Mavericks (1991-2016).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 13, 2020, 12:29:29 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 13, 2020, 12:29:29 PM
Quote from: Desert Man on September 13, 2020, 01:26:37 AM
Minor League Baseball plans to end contracts with 4 minor leagues in the soon to be deleted Rookie and Short-season class-A levels, and 40-42 teams to lose affiliation agreements with Major League Baseball teams. The article is from last year but the plan was for the 2021 season. MiLB cancelled all leagues' 2020 season schedules due to the COVID-19 pandemic (June 30th). And one of the 40-ish teams reportedly up for elimination is the Lancaster JetHawks (Colorado Rockies) of the California League, right in Los Angeles county. There will be 4 levels and 120 teams (30 for each level) of class A (advanced or high, and low), double-A and AAA, there will still be the Arizona and Gulf Coast leagues which do not have game admission charges and stadium concession stands. The Rockies need an advanced or high class A team to fill in the blank in their farm team organization system. If I have money, I would bring a Rockies farm team in Palm Springs in their upgraded stadium.
https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/all-42-teams-reportedly-up-for-elimination-in-mlbs-minor-league-reduction-proposal/
I wonder if the teams in these minor leagues might join the independent leagues like the current American Association and the Frontier League?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on September 13, 2020, 08:07:57 PM
Post by: ilpt4u on September 13, 2020, 08:07:57 PM
The Cubs' Alec Mills threw a No-No in Milwaukee today
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on September 13, 2020, 08:42:45 PM
Post by: ET21 on September 13, 2020, 08:42:45 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on September 13, 2020, 08:07:57 PM
The Cubs' Alec Mills threw a No-No in Milwaukee today
First time that both Chicago teams have a no hitter in the same season
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 15, 2020, 01:13:33 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 15, 2020, 01:13:33 PM
The locations have been set for the playoffs. As a recap, eight teams qualify from each league, with the division winners getting seeded 1-3, the runners-up seeded 4-6, and the next two best records seeded 7-8. There will be no extra game tiebreakers. All ties within and across divisions will be broken by a sequence of tie-breakers based on head-to-head, division record, etc. The bracket will take the traditional 1v8, 4v5, 2v7, 3v6 bracket.
For the wildcard round, the entire best-of-three series will be played at the higher seed's home stadium. The home team will bat last in all games.
For the division series round, the highest remaining AL seed will play at San Diego, the other AL series at Los Angeles, the highest remaining NL seed at Arlington, and the other NL series at Houston. The higher seed will bat last in games 1, 2, and 5 (same as if they were playing the series in home stadiums).
The AL championship series will be played at Arlington, the NLCS at San Diego, and the World Series at Arlington, with the higher seed batting last in games 1, 2, 6, and 7 (same as if they were playing the series in home stadiums). The World Series will start October 20 and end no later than October 28.
For the wildcard round, the entire best-of-three series will be played at the higher seed's home stadium. The home team will bat last in all games.
For the division series round, the highest remaining AL seed will play at San Diego, the other AL series at Los Angeles, the highest remaining NL seed at Arlington, and the other NL series at Houston. The higher seed will bat last in games 1, 2, and 5 (same as if they were playing the series in home stadiums).
The AL championship series will be played at Arlington, the NLCS at San Diego, and the World Series at Arlington, with the higher seed batting last in games 1, 2, 6, and 7 (same as if they were playing the series in home stadiums). The World Series will start October 20 and end no later than October 28.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 16, 2020, 10:25:19 AM
Post by: Henry on September 16, 2020, 10:25:19 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 15, 2020, 01:13:33 PMThe AL championship series will be played at Arlington, the NLCS at San Diego, and the World Series at Arlington, with the higher seed batting last in games 1, 2, 6, and 7 (same as if they were playing the series in home stadiums). The World Series will start October 20 and end no later than October 28.You mean that the ALCS will be played in San Diego, and the NLCS in Arlington. My guess is, the two leagues have flipped to the other league's stadiums to avoid an unfair advantage for their teams. As for the World Series in Arlington, it'll be the first time in 76 years that the same stadium hosted every game in the Fall Classic, with the all-St. Louis Series in which the Cardinals defeated the Browns (the same team that's now known as the Orioles). Before that, the Giants beat the Yankees in consecutive World Series (1921-22) when both teams called the Polo Grounds their home; of course, the Yankees would get their revenge in 1923, when they moved to Yankee Stadium, their permanent home since then (but in three versions, with the team playing in Shea Stadium for the 1974 and '75 campaigns).
So for the first time ever, all four major sports championships will be decided at a neutral site, with the NBA championship being awarded in Orlando and the Stanley Cup in Edmonton. Of course, the Lombardi Trophy is always awarded at a neutral site, and that will never change.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on September 16, 2020, 02:40:02 PM
Post by: ET21 on September 16, 2020, 02:40:02 PM
The White Sox can clinch a playoff birth for the first time in 12 years with a win, a Det loss, and a Sea loss
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 16, 2020, 02:56:29 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 16, 2020, 02:56:29 PM
Quote from: ET21 on September 16, 2020, 02:40:02 PM
The White Sox can clinch a playoff birth for the first time in 12 years with a win, a Det loss, and a Sea loss
Seattle loss not necessary. They have 3 games remaining with Houston, so at least one of those two teams ends up with at least 27 losses even if both win tonight, which is convenient because I'm not staying up until midnight to celebrate.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 16, 2020, 09:56:39 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 16, 2020, 09:56:39 PM
Quote from: Henry on September 16, 2020, 10:25:19 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on September 15, 2020, 01:13:33 PMThe AL championship series will be played at Arlington, the NLCS at San Diego, and the World Series at Arlington, with the higher seed batting last in games 1, 2, 6, and 7 (same as if they were playing the series in home stadiums). The World Series will start October 20 and end no later than October 28.You mean that the ALCS will be played in San Diego, and the NLCS in Arlington. My guess is, the two leagues have flipped to the other league's stadiums to avoid an unfair advantage for their teams. As for the World Series in Arlington, it'll be the first time in 76 years that the same stadium hosted every game in the Fall Classic, with the all-St. Louis Series in which the Cardinals defeated the Browns (the same team that's now known as the Orioles). Before that, the Giants beat the Yankees in consecutive World Series (1921-22) when both teams called the Polo Grounds their home; of course, the Yankees would get their revenge in 1923, when they moved to Yankee Stadium, their permanent home since then (but in three versions, with the team playing in Shea Stadium for the 1974 and '75 campaigns).
So for the first time ever, all four major sports championships will be decided at a neutral site, with the NBA championship being awarded in Orlando and the Stanley Cup in Edmonton. Of course, the Lombardi Trophy is always awarded at a neutral site, and that will never change.
Maybe, just maybe, I think it won't be the last time then all four major sports championship will be decided at a neutral site. Had the NHL practiced this for years and had Toronto hosted the Stanley Cup finals, some players could said as a joke, I won a Stanley Cup championship in Toronto and I didn't played for the Leafs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ftballfan on September 23, 2020, 11:11:11 AM
Post by: ftballfan on September 23, 2020, 11:11:11 AM
Quote from: Henry on September 16, 2020, 10:25:19 AMIt is theoretically possible for a team to win the Super Bowl in their home stadium, but it has never happened.Quote from: cabiness42 on September 15, 2020, 01:13:33 PMThe AL championship series will be played at Arlington, the NLCS at San Diego, and the World Series at Arlington, with the higher seed batting last in games 1, 2, 6, and 7 (same as if they were playing the series in home stadiums). The World Series will start October 20 and end no later than October 28.You mean that the ALCS will be played in San Diego, and the NLCS in Arlington. My guess is, the two leagues have flipped to the other league's stadiums to avoid an unfair advantage for their teams. As for the World Series in Arlington, it'll be the first time in 76 years that the same stadium hosted every game in the Fall Classic, with the all-St. Louis Series in which the Cardinals defeated the Browns (the same team that's now known as the Orioles). Before that, the Giants beat the Yankees in consecutive World Series (1921-22) when both teams called the Polo Grounds their home; of course, the Yankees would get their revenge in 1923, when they moved to Yankee Stadium, their permanent home since then (but in three versions, with the team playing in Shea Stadium for the 1974 and '75 campaigns).
So for the first time ever, all four major sports championships will be decided at a neutral site, with the NBA championship being awarded in Orlando and the Stanley Cup in Edmonton. Of course, the Lombardi Trophy is always awarded at a neutral site, and that will never change.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 23, 2020, 11:38:42 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 23, 2020, 11:38:42 AM
Angel Hernandez is a shitty umpire and a fucking asshole.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 23, 2020, 01:47:34 PM
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 23, 2020, 01:47:34 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on September 23, 2020, 11:11:11 AMQuote from: Henry on September 16, 2020, 10:25:19 AMIt is theoretically possible for a team to win the Super Bowl in their home stadium, but it has never happened.Quote from: cabiness42 on September 15, 2020, 01:13:33 PMThe AL championship series will be played at Arlington, the NLCS at San Diego, and the World Series at Arlington, with the higher seed batting last in games 1, 2, 6, and 7 (same as if they were playing the series in home stadiums). The World Series will start October 20 and end no later than October 28.You mean that the ALCS will be played in San Diego, and the NLCS in Arlington. My guess is, the two leagues have flipped to the other league's stadiums to avoid an unfair advantage for their teams. As for the World Series in Arlington, it'll be the first time in 76 years that the same stadium hosted every game in the Fall Classic, with the all-St. Louis Series in which the Cardinals defeated the Browns (the same team that's now known as the Orioles). Before that, the Giants beat the Yankees in consecutive World Series (1921-22) when both teams called the Polo Grounds their home; of course, the Yankees would get their revenge in 1923, when they moved to Yankee Stadium, their permanent home since then (but in three versions, with the team playing in Shea Stadium for the 1974 and '75 campaigns).
So for the first time ever, all four major sports championships will be decided at a neutral site, with the NBA championship being awarded in Orlando and the Stanley Cup in Edmonton. Of course, the Lombardi Trophy is always awarded at a neutral site, and that will never change.
But it is still considered a neutral site. The Super Bowl is in Tampa this year. If the Bucs make it, while it is still their stadium, it won't be a Bucaneers home game.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on September 23, 2020, 10:57:41 PM
Post by: ilpt4u on September 23, 2020, 10:57:41 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 23, 2020, 01:47:34 PMSemantic BS
But it is still considered a neutral site. The Super Bowl is in Tampa this year. If the Bucs make it, while it is still their stadium, it won't be a Bucaneers home game.
The only "On Field" difference of Home vs Away is an/the Away Captain makes the Coin Toss(es) call, and the Home Team gets 1st choice for Uniform Color Scheme
Otherwise, if a team qualifies for a Super Bowl the year they are the predetermined host, it is still a home game. I don't think the NFL will force a "home" team to live at the assigned hotel. Sure, they will still be required to make media commitments and all that.
I don't even know if a set amount of tickets are reserved for the Host Stadium/Team to sell in addition to the tickets reserved for the 2 participating teams. If there are those 3 pools, obviously if the Host and one of the Participants are the same, that would be more "home" tickets available. I doubt it would be enough for a decided advantage in terms of fan noise (in a "normal" fan year, anyway)
Whether Ticket Resale markets would help a "home" Super Bowl team pack the stadium, remains to be seen
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 24, 2020, 07:10:45 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 24, 2020, 07:10:45 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on September 23, 2020, 10:57:41 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on September 23, 2020, 01:47:34 PMSemantic BS
But it is still considered a neutral site. The Super Bowl is in Tampa this year. If the Bucs make it, while it is still their stadium, it won't be a Bucaneers home game.
The only "On Field" difference of Home vs Away is an/the Away Captain makes the Coin Toss(es) call, and the Home Team gets 1st choice for Uniform Color Scheme
Otherwise, if a team qualifies for a Super Bowl the year they are the predetermined host, it is still a home game. I don't think the NFL will force a "home" team to live at the assigned hotel. Sure, they will still be required to make media commitments and all that.
I don't even know if a set amount of tickets are reserved for the Host Stadium/Team to sell in addition to the tickets reserved for the 2 participating teams. If there are those 3 pools, obviously if the Host and one of the Participants are the same, that would be more "home" tickets available. I doubt it would be enough for a decided advantage in terms of fan noise (in a "normal" fan year, anyway)
Whether Ticket Resale markets would help a "home" Super Bowl team pack the stadium, remains to be seen
The coaches might want the team in a hotel anyway, at least the night before the game, just to control the environment.
The host team gets a few tickets, but not enough to make a difference.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 24, 2020, 09:35:46 AM
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 24, 2020, 09:35:46 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on September 23, 2020, 10:57:41 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on September 23, 2020, 01:47:34 PMSemantic BS
But it is still considered a neutral site. The Super Bowl is in Tampa this year. If the Bucs make it, while it is still their stadium, it won't be a Bucaneers home game.
The only "On Field" difference of Home vs Away is an/the Away Captain makes the Coin Toss(es) call, and the Home Team gets 1st choice for Uniform Color Scheme
Otherwise, if a team qualifies for a Super Bowl the year they are the predetermined host, it is still a home game. I don't think the NFL will force a "home" team to live at the assigned hotel. Sure, they will still be required to make media commitments and all that.
I don't even know if a set amount of tickets are reserved for the Host Stadium/Team to sell in addition to the tickets reserved for the 2 participating teams. If there are those 3 pools, obviously if the Host and one of the Participants are the same, that would be more "home" tickets available. I doubt it would be enough for a decided advantage in terms of fan noise (in a "normal" fan year, anyway)
Whether Ticket Resale markets would help a "home" Super Bowl team pack the stadium, remains to be seen
If you don't have a significant crowd behind you, the home field advantage isn't much. Right now home teams only win 55% of regular season home games. Without a significant home crowd, and with a quality opponent on the other side of the ball, it's pretty much 50/50.
Also, many, if not all, NFL teams spend the night at hotels prior to home games so I don't think that matters much either.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on September 24, 2020, 05:56:26 PM
Post by: Alps on September 24, 2020, 05:56:26 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 24, 2020, 09:35:46 AMThere are slight advantages in having your own (more luxurious) locker room and the other team having the bare-bones edition. You can also spend the night at home with better sleep, get more time on your own field, etc.Quote from: ilpt4u on September 23, 2020, 10:57:41 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on September 23, 2020, 01:47:34 PMSemantic BS
But it is still considered a neutral site. The Super Bowl is in Tampa this year. If the Bucs make it, while it is still their stadium, it won't be a Bucaneers home game.
The only "On Field" difference of Home vs Away is an/the Away Captain makes the Coin Toss(es) call, and the Home Team gets 1st choice for Uniform Color Scheme
Otherwise, if a team qualifies for a Super Bowl the year they are the predetermined host, it is still a home game. I don't think the NFL will force a "home" team to live at the assigned hotel. Sure, they will still be required to make media commitments and all that.
I don't even know if a set amount of tickets are reserved for the Host Stadium/Team to sell in addition to the tickets reserved for the 2 participating teams. If there are those 3 pools, obviously if the Host and one of the Participants are the same, that would be more "home" tickets available. I doubt it would be enough for a decided advantage in terms of fan noise (in a "normal" fan year, anyway)
Whether Ticket Resale markets would help a "home" Super Bowl team pack the stadium, remains to be seen
If you don't have a significant crowd behind you, the home field advantage isn't much. Right now home teams only win 55% of regular season home games. Without a significant home crowd, and with a quality opponent on the other side of the ball, it's pretty much 50/50.
Also, many, if not all, NFL teams spend the night at hotels prior to home games so I don't think that matters much either.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 24, 2020, 08:32:24 PM
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 24, 2020, 08:32:24 PM
Quote from: Alps on September 24, 2020, 05:56:26 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on September 24, 2020, 09:35:46 AMThere are slight advantages in having your own (more luxurious) locker room and the other team having the bare-bones edition. You can also spend the night at home with better sleep, get more time on your own field, etc.Quote from: ilpt4u on September 23, 2020, 10:57:41 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on September 23, 2020, 01:47:34 PMSemantic BS
But it is still considered a neutral site. The Super Bowl is in Tampa this year. If the Bucs make it, while it is still their stadium, it won't be a Bucaneers home game.
The only "On Field" difference of Home vs Away is an/the Away Captain makes the Coin Toss(es) call, and the Home Team gets 1st choice for Uniform Color Scheme
Otherwise, if a team qualifies for a Super Bowl the year they are the predetermined host, it is still a home game. I don't think the NFL will force a "home" team to live at the assigned hotel. Sure, they will still be required to make media commitments and all that.
I don't even know if a set amount of tickets are reserved for the Host Stadium/Team to sell in addition to the tickets reserved for the 2 participating teams. If there are those 3 pools, obviously if the Host and one of the Participants are the same, that would be more "home" tickets available. I doubt it would be enough for a decided advantage in terms of fan noise (in a "normal" fan year, anyway)
Whether Ticket Resale markets would help a "home" Super Bowl team pack the stadium, remains to be seen
If you don't have a significant crowd behind you, the home field advantage isn't much. Right now home teams only win 55% of regular season home games. Without a significant home crowd, and with a quality opponent on the other side of the ball, it's pretty much 50/50.
Also, many, if not all, NFL teams spend the night at hotels prior to home games so I don't think that matters much either.
Pretty minor. Not really enough to call it an advantage.
It's a neutral site in more than name only.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Buck87 on September 28, 2020, 09:02:31 AM
Post by: Buck87 on September 28, 2020, 09:02:31 AM
The 2020 Postseason bracket is set.
In the Wild Card round the higher seeds hosts and bats last in each game of a best of 3 series.
After that the the LDS, LCS and WS will all be played at neutral bubble locations.
(https://media.bleacherreport.com/f_auto,w_1440,q_auto,c_fill/br-cms/ed/df/0f/96/ce2d/447e/8c68/988a6cf7560c/crop_exact_Screen_Shot_2020-09-27_at_4.25.33_PM.jpg)
In the Wild Card round the higher seeds hosts and bats last in each game of a best of 3 series.
After that the the LDS, LCS and WS will all be played at neutral bubble locations.
(https://media.bleacherreport.com/f_auto,w_1440,q_auto,c_fill/br-cms/ed/df/0f/96/ce2d/447e/8c68/988a6cf7560c/crop_exact_Screen_Shot_2020-09-27_at_4.25.33_PM.jpg)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 28, 2020, 09:11:11 AM
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 28, 2020, 09:11:11 AM
I think are the Brewers are the worst team to make the playoffs in MLB history.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 28, 2020, 09:19:27 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 28, 2020, 09:19:27 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 28, 2020, 09:11:11 AM
I think are the Brewers are the worst team to make the playoffs in MLB history.
The Brewers and Astros both finished 29-31, but the Astros are seeded 6th in the AL due to being a 2nd place team.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 28, 2020, 09:50:54 AM
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 28, 2020, 09:50:54 AM
I've watched the Brewers all summer and they're just not very good.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on September 28, 2020, 09:56:12 AM
Post by: Alps on September 28, 2020, 09:56:12 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 28, 2020, 09:11:11 AMThe 2005 Padres finished the regular season at 82-80, being the "worst" team thus far to make the playoffs, and were summarily swept in the ALDS. The Brewers and Astros have the worst winning percentages in this asterisk year, and we'll see how they fare.
I think are the Brewers are the worst team to make the playoffs in MLB history.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Thing 342 on September 28, 2020, 10:04:17 AM
Post by: Thing 342 on September 28, 2020, 10:04:17 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on September 28, 2020, 09:02:31 AM
The 2020 Postseason bracket is set.
In the Wild Card round the higher seeds hosts and bats last in each game of a best of 3 series.
After that the the LDS, LCS and WS will all be played at neutral bubble locations.
(https://media.bleacherreport.com/f_auto,w_1440,q_auto,c_fill/br-cms/ed/df/0f/96/ce2d/447e/8c68/988a6cf7560c/crop_exact_Screen_Shot_2020-09-27_at_4.25.33_PM.jpg)
Hopping into this thread to express how much I hate this new postseason format, and how much fun it will be to see the 112-win paced Dodgers lose to the sub-.500 Brewers.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 28, 2020, 10:10:09 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 28, 2020, 10:10:09 AM
Quote from: Thing 342 on September 28, 2020, 10:04:17 AMQuote from: Buck87 on September 28, 2020, 09:02:31 AM
The 2020 Postseason bracket is set.
In the Wild Card round the higher seeds hosts and bats last in each game of a best of 3 series.
After that the the LDS, LCS and WS will all be played at neutral bubble locations.
(https://media.bleacherreport.com/f_auto,w_1440,q_auto,c_fill/br-cms/ed/df/0f/96/ce2d/447e/8c68/988a6cf7560c/crop_exact_Screen_Shot_2020-09-27_at_4.25.33_PM.jpg)
Hopping into this thread to express how much I hate this new postseason format, and how much fun it will be to see the 112-win paced Dodgers lose to the sub-.500 Brewers.
It was necessary for this season in order to generate enough TV money to pay players enough to get them to play at all.
I don't think it's going to stay.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on September 28, 2020, 01:01:24 PM
Post by: mgk920 on September 28, 2020, 01:01:24 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 28, 2020, 10:10:09 AMQuote from: Thing 342 on September 28, 2020, 10:04:17 AM
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Hopping into this thread to express how much I hate this new postseason format, and how much fun it will be to see the 112-win paced Dodgers lose to the sub-.500 Brewers.
It was necessary for this season in order to generate enough TV money to pay players enough to get them to play at all.
I don't think it's going to stay.
Also hoping and praying that once things are allowed to go back to normal, they dump this post-season format (heck, I think that they should go back to the pre-1968 format).
In addition, lose the DH at least in the National League, seven-inning double header games (those are soooooo Minor League!) and a runner on second to start each extra inning!
:banghead:
Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 28, 2020, 01:47:15 PM
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 28, 2020, 01:47:15 PM
The baseball playoffs go too long from a weather perspective for the teams in the north already. MLB is getting away with this because they are putting the LDS, LCS and WS at neutral sites in the south. That is why I doubt the new first round is permanent.
Also, I think the double headers for 7 innings are not permanent. Traditional double headers don't exist really. They are usually Day/Night double headers where different crowds come in and there is rest between. The 7 inning was a compromise knowing there would be a number of cancellations and a short time to make them up.
But pitchers batting can go away forever.
Also, I think the double headers for 7 innings are not permanent. Traditional double headers don't exist really. They are usually Day/Night double headers where different crowds come in and there is rest between. The 7 inning was a compromise knowing there would be a number of cancellations and a short time to make them up.
But pitchers batting can go away forever.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 28, 2020, 02:02:52 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 28, 2020, 02:02:52 PM
Pitchers batting will come back for at least a few years. When it goes away permanently, NL teams will get some notice so they can build rosters appropriately.
As for expanded playoffs, I don't know that it ever gets to 16 permanently, but I think eventually there is a trade-off with some expanded playoffs in exchange for a shorter regular season so that they don't end so late.
As for expanded playoffs, I don't know that it ever gets to 16 permanently, but I think eventually there is a trade-off with some expanded playoffs in exchange for a shorter regular season so that they don't end so late.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 28, 2020, 02:05:39 PM
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 28, 2020, 02:05:39 PM
QuotePitchers batting will come back for at least a few years. When it goes away permanently, NL teams will get some notice so they can build rosters appropriately.
I think the MLBPA will make sure it never comes back ever again.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on September 28, 2020, 03:01:56 PM
Post by: Takumi on September 28, 2020, 03:01:56 PM
Can't say I've missed pitchers batting either.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 28, 2020, 03:41:17 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 28, 2020, 03:41:17 PM
White Sox finished the season 14-0 in games where the opponent started a left-handed pitcher. First time in MLB history that a team has done this. One of those things that likely never happens in a full season, but it counts.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 28, 2020, 03:49:34 PM
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 28, 2020, 03:49:34 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 28, 2020, 02:02:52 PM
Pitchers batting will come back for at least a few years. When it goes away permanently, NL teams will get some notice so they can build rosters appropriately.
What kind of notice to teams need to have to add a DH?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 28, 2020, 04:25:04 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 28, 2020, 04:25:04 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 28, 2020, 03:49:34 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on September 28, 2020, 02:02:52 PM
Pitchers batting will come back for at least a few years. When it goes away permanently, NL teams will get some notice so they can build rosters appropriately.
What kind of notice to teams need to have to add a DH?
They could have a backup OF or utility IF signed to a multi-year deal taking up a roster spot they need for a better hitter to be the DH. Maybe there aren't enough teams in this situation to create opposition, but it's at least a possibility.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on September 30, 2020, 12:45:45 PM
Post by: ET21 on September 30, 2020, 12:45:45 PM
Giolito was only the 5th pitcher to be perfect through 6 innings in a postseason appearance yesterday :clap:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 30, 2020, 02:34:01 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 30, 2020, 02:34:01 PM
DH sucks.
If they're gonna do that, then why not replace other position players with another DH? Most catchers suck at hitting. DH for them. And there's always one guy on every team with a good glove but can't hit their way out of a paper bag. (That's why we have the "Mendoza Line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mendoza_Line)" after all.). Another DH!
In fact, let's just have a whole team of DH's and leave the fielding to a whole different set of 9 dudes.
And you know, while we're at it, since most of baseball has devolved into nothing but strike outs and home runs, let's shit-can the defense entirely and just put some targets out on the field and if the DH's hit the ball there, they get bases and drive in runs. Baseball becomes friggin' "Top Golf". Remove the defense entirely from consideration because that's what all the impatient rubes out there want: nothing but goddamn home runs!!
If they're gonna do that, then why not replace other position players with another DH? Most catchers suck at hitting. DH for them. And there's always one guy on every team with a good glove but can't hit their way out of a paper bag. (That's why we have the "Mendoza Line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mendoza_Line)" after all.). Another DH!
In fact, let's just have a whole team of DH's and leave the fielding to a whole different set of 9 dudes.
And you know, while we're at it, since most of baseball has devolved into nothing but strike outs and home runs, let's shit-can the defense entirely and just put some targets out on the field and if the DH's hit the ball there, they get bases and drive in runs. Baseball becomes friggin' "Top Golf". Remove the defense entirely from consideration because that's what all the impatient rubes out there want: nothing but goddamn home runs!!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 30, 2020, 04:18:14 PM
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 30, 2020, 04:18:14 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on September 30, 2020, 02:34:01 PM
DH sucks.
If they're gonna do that, then why not replace other position players with another DH? Most catchers suck at hitting. DH for them. And there's always one guy on every team with a good glove but can't hit their way out of a paper bag. (That's why we have the "Mendoza Line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mendoza_Line)" after all.). Another DH!
In fact, let's just have a whole team of DH's and leave the fielding to a whole different set of 9 dudes.
And you know, while we're at it, since most of baseball has devolved into nothing but strike outs and home runs, let's shit-can the defense entirely and just put some targets out on the field and if the DH's hit the ball there, they get bases and drive in runs. Baseball becomes friggin' "Top Golf". Remove the defense entirely from consideration because that's what all the impatient rubes out there want: nothing but goddamn home runs!!
Engaging in a reductio ad absurdum argument is rather poor way of making your point.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 30, 2020, 04:34:22 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 30, 2020, 04:34:22 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 30, 2020, 04:18:14 PM
Engaging in a reductio ad absurdum argument is rather poor way of making your point.
But it's way funnier.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on September 30, 2020, 04:49:44 PM
Post by: CoreySamson on September 30, 2020, 04:49:44 PM
Well, the Twins got knocked out by the Astros in the wild card, marking their 18th straight postseason loss.
Now I'm rooting for the White Sox to finish off the A's so the Astros don't play them again. :biggrin:
Now I'm rooting for the White Sox to finish off the A's so the Astros don't play them again. :biggrin:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on October 02, 2020, 05:58:47 PM
Post by: ilpt4u on October 02, 2020, 05:58:47 PM
Cubbies were eliminated by the Marlins this afternoon
So far, we have an All NL East NLDS, an All AL East ALDS, and an All AL West ALDS, and we may have an All NL West NLDS, pending the result of tonight's Redbirds/Friars tilt
The AL and NL Central teams so far have not fared well in this Playoff format
So far, we have an All NL East NLDS, an All AL East ALDS, and an All AL West ALDS, and we may have an All NL West NLDS, pending the result of tonight's Redbirds/Friars tilt
The AL and NL Central teams so far have not fared well in this Playoff format
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 02, 2020, 11:40:06 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 02, 2020, 11:40:06 PM
I hope MLB takes heed from these extra wild card games and leaves them in this pandemic season where they belong.
No one wants to see two more games between sub-500 teams and the contenders before the real meat and potatoes of the playoffs.
The extra wild card team is enough of a stretch.
I do like that the teams with best respective league records don't automatically go to the World Series like in the long-long ago. That might have flown when there were 10 fewer teams, but not today. Some teams have years where, in their division, they are a big fish in a small pond and have a lot of powder puff match-ups while another division is more competitive. They gotta prove their mettle.
No one wants to see two more games between sub-500 teams and the contenders before the real meat and potatoes of the playoffs.
The extra wild card team is enough of a stretch.
I do like that the teams with best respective league records don't automatically go to the World Series like in the long-long ago. That might have flown when there were 10 fewer teams, but not today. Some teams have years where, in their division, they are a big fish in a small pond and have a lot of powder puff match-ups while another division is more competitive. They gotta prove their mettle.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SEWIGuy on October 03, 2020, 09:46:22 AM
Post by: SEWIGuy on October 03, 2020, 09:46:22 AM
Agreed. There weren't many people watching these games either.
The one-game Wild Card is fun because it's instant drama. A good introduction to the playoffs. But this format is a little too much, and the drama gets lost in the shuffle. Lack of fans doesn't help.
A think the ratings for the rest of the playoffs are going to be miserable as well. Neutral sites games between division opponents. There just doesn't feel to be much "momentum" heading into the post season.
The one-game Wild Card is fun because it's instant drama. A good introduction to the playoffs. But this format is a little too much, and the drama gets lost in the shuffle. Lack of fans doesn't help.
A think the ratings for the rest of the playoffs are going to be miserable as well. Neutral sites games between division opponents. There just doesn't feel to be much "momentum" heading into the post season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: thspfc on October 08, 2020, 12:57:34 PM
Post by: thspfc on October 08, 2020, 12:57:34 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 02, 2020, 05:05:18 PMGot em
The two best teams in the NL as of right now, the Dodgers and Padres, could very well face each other in the Dvisional series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kurumi on October 08, 2020, 01:27:24 PM
Post by: kurumi on October 08, 2020, 01:27:24 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on September 30, 2020, 02:34:01 PM
DH sucks.
If they're gonna do that, then why not replace other position players with another DH? Most catchers suck at hitting. DH for them. And there's always one guy on every team with a good glove but can't hit their way out of a paper bag. (That's why we have the "Mendoza Line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mendoza_Line)" after all.). Another DH!
In fact, let's just have a whole team of DH's and leave the fielding to a whole different set of 9 dudes.
And you know, while we're at it, since most of baseball has devolved into nothing but strike outs and home runs, let's shit-can the defense entirely and just put some targets out on the field and if the DH's hit the ball there, they get bases and drive in runs. Baseball becomes friggin' "Top Golf". Remove the defense entirely from consideration because that's what all the impatient rubes out there want: nothing but goddamn home runs!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTmLz9B8wls
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 09, 2020, 06:16:46 AM
Post by: Desert Man on October 09, 2020, 06:16:46 AM
I want the Dodgers in the world series and they may defeat the Padres to advance to the NLCS vs the "bad news" Braves. I'm glad the Yankees (the team everyone loves to hate) were eliminated by the #1 AL team, the Tampa Bay Rays who will face the current AL champs the Houston Astros in the ALCS. I understand the Marlins were expected to dominate the shortened 2020 MLB season, but half the 30-man roster contracted COVID-19 in a state with a huge load of virus this summer and they were falling in the standings. Hats off to the Marlins: team of the year, and sadly, the Oakland A's couldn't land in an all-CA world series dream. In 1974, the A's won their 3-peat vs the Dodgers and 14 years later (1988), the Dodgers beaten the A's.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 09, 2020, 06:19:49 AM
Post by: Desert Man on October 09, 2020, 06:19:49 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 28, 2020, 09:19:27 AMQuote from: SEWIGuy on September 28, 2020, 09:11:11 AM
I think are the Brewers are the worst team to make the playoffs in MLB history.
The Brewers and Astros both finished 29-31, but the Astros are seeded 6th in the AL due to being a 2nd place team.
LOL, the teams were in opposite leagues when I was a 80s-90s kid: the NL Brewers in the AL and the AL Astros in the NL.
Ironically, the triple-A Pacific Coast League Fresno Grizzlies were Astros and Nationals farm teams in the last 4 years, they played a role in supplying world series experience, and I hope they return playing in the 2021 season. About 40? 42? 44? Minor League baseball teams are to be eliminated. The COVID pandemic along with the Great Recession and the internet today was like television in the 1950s-60s-70s reduced the presence of the minors, which had a comeback in the 1980s-90s-2000s, now many teams and (esp. independent) leagues are folding up everywhere.
In 1963, there were Open class, AAA, AA, A-1, A, B, C, D and non-affiliated E and F, only the As survived the 1963 reorganization, now it's going to eliminate short-season A and Advanced Rookie...and 6 out of 8 teams in the California League (Class A-Advanced) except for the state's 3rd largest city San Jose and in Southern Cal, Lake Elsinore are in financial difficulties, the worst cases are Lancaster within a hour from Los Angeles in the namesake county and Visalia (current league champs) in a 2,500-seat ballpark (it may be compliant in Cal League standards).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 09, 2020, 08:16:52 AM
Post by: Takumi on October 09, 2020, 08:16:52 AM
QuoteExcept they weren't. They won last night to force a game 5. Unless you're a day ahead of us.
I'm glad the Yankees (the team everyone loves to hate) were eliminated by the #1 AL team, the Tampa Bay Rays
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 09, 2020, 11:10:34 AM
Post by: Henry on October 09, 2020, 11:10:34 AM
I'm so glad that the Braves knocked the Marlins out. Ever since the Marlins came from behind to defeat my beloved Cubs in that controversial NLCS back in '03, I've grown to hate them, and I'm forever grateful to Atlanta for dealing them their first postseason series loss after sweeping the Cubs in the Wild Card round. Not only that, I'm also happy that the Braves got revenge for their upset loss in the '97 NLCS (I'm sure that memory still stings, 23 years later).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 09, 2020, 05:41:34 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 09, 2020, 05:41:34 PM
Quote from: Henry on October 09, 2020, 11:10:34 AM
I'm so glad that the Braves knocked the Marlins out. Ever since the Marlins came from behind to defeat my beloved Cubs in that controversial NLCS back in '03, I've grown to hate them, and I'm forever grateful to Atlanta for dealing them their first postseason series loss after sweeping the Cubs in the Wild Card round. Not only that, I'm also happy that the Braves got revenge for their upset loss in the '97 NLCS (I'm sure that memory still stings, 23 years later).
The Cubs got swept by a team that got swept in the next round. Now we need the Braves to get swept by the Dodgers and the Dodgers by the AL Champs and the Cubs can be statistically the worst playoff team ever.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 09, 2020, 05:44:42 PM
Post by: Alps on October 09, 2020, 05:44:42 PM
Quote from: Takumi on October 09, 2020, 08:16:52 AMI'm excited for a Yankees (the team everyone loves) victory tonight.QuoteExcept they weren't. They won last night to force a game 5. Unless you're a day ahead of us.
I'm glad the Yankees (the team everyone loves to hate) were eliminated by the #1 AL team, the Tampa Bay Rays
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 09, 2020, 10:32:40 PM
Post by: Takumi on October 09, 2020, 10:32:40 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 09, 2020, 05:44:42 PMWell, at least one of you was right.Quote from: Takumi on October 09, 2020, 08:16:52 AMI'm excited for a Yankees (the team everyone loves) victory tonight.QuoteExcept they weren't. They won last night to force a game 5. Unless you're a day ahead of us.
I'm glad the Yankees (the team everyone loves to hate) were eliminated by the #1 AL team, the Tampa Bay Rays
/me drinks in Orioles fan
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 09, 2020, 10:46:29 PM
Post by: Desert Man on October 09, 2020, 10:46:29 PM
Quote from: Desert Man on October 09, 2020, 10:38:20 PMQuote from: Takumi on October 09, 2020, 10:32:40 PMQuote from: Alps on October 09, 2020, 05:44:42 PMWell, at least one of you was right.Quote from: Takumi on October 09, 2020, 08:16:52 AMI'm excited for a Yankees (the team everyone loves) victory tonight.Quote
I'm glad the Yankees (the team everyone loves to hate) were eliminated by the #1 AL team, the Tampa Bay Rays
Except they weren't. They won last night to force a game 5. Unless you're a day ahead of us.
/me drinks in Orioles fan
I thought the Rays won last night, but on game 5, the Rays won anyway 2-1. Despite the Yankees are held as the best team in MLB history, this wasn't the case in 2020. It took a single homer by Brousseau to take the Rays to their first ALCS since 2008.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 09, 2020, 10:48:26 PM
Post by: Alps on October 09, 2020, 10:48:26 PM
Quote from: Takumi on October 09, 2020, 10:32:40 PMI'm sad, but I'm now a Rays fan for the rest of the playoffs. I want them to squash the other guys completely flat and stand up for the Yankees that should have been there in 2017 and 2019.Quote from: Alps on October 09, 2020, 05:44:42 PMWell, at least one of you was right.Quote from: Takumi on October 09, 2020, 08:16:52 AMI'm excited for a Yankees (the team everyone loves) victory tonight.QuoteExcept they weren't. They won last night to force a game 5. Unless you're a day ahead of us.
I'm glad the Yankees (the team everyone loves to hate) were eliminated by the #1 AL team, the Tampa Bay Rays
/me drinks in Orioles fan
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 09, 2020, 11:15:49 PM
Post by: Takumi on October 09, 2020, 11:15:49 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 09, 2020, 10:48:26 PMThat's a fair take. I think they'll have more of a chance beating the Dodgers (or Braves, for that matter) than the Astros do without Verlander anyway.Quote from: Takumi on October 09, 2020, 10:32:40 PMI'm sad, but I'm now a Rays fan for the rest of the playoffs. I want them to squash the other guys completely flat and stand up for the Yankees that should have been there in 2017 and 2019.Quote from: Alps on October 09, 2020, 05:44:42 PMWell, at least one of you was right.Quote from: Takumi on October 09, 2020, 08:16:52 AMI'm excited for a Yankees (the team everyone loves) victory tonight.QuoteExcept they weren't. They won last night to force a game 5. Unless you're a day ahead of us.
I'm glad the Yankees (the team everyone loves to hate) were eliminated by the #1 AL team, the Tampa Bay Rays
/me drinks in Orioles fan
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 10, 2020, 08:20:33 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 10, 2020, 08:20:33 AM
For all the moaning and complaining about this playoff format making it harder for the best teams, the LCS will feature both #1 seeds and one #2 seed.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on October 10, 2020, 11:24:31 AM
Post by: ilpt4u on October 10, 2020, 11:24:31 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 10, 2020, 08:20:33 AMIf anything, I think this format (and season) shows MLB could go back to 2 Divisions per league and just take the Top 2 teams by record from each Division. Then expand the DS round to 7 games to make up for the lost WC games, for game inventory for the networks
For all the moaning and complaining about this playoff format making it harder for the best teams, the LCS will feature both #1 seeds and one #2 seed.
Of course, with unified rules, there may be a time that MLB scraps the whole AL/NL anyway, then there could simple be the North, South, East, and West Divisions (or however MLB would carve up the 30 teams into 4 MLB-Wide Divisions)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 10, 2020, 04:14:39 PM
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 10, 2020, 04:14:39 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on October 10, 2020, 11:24:31 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 10, 2020, 08:20:33 AMIf anything, I think this format (and season) shows MLB could go back to 2 Divisions per league and just take the Top 2 teams by record from each Division. Then expand the DS round to 7 games to make up for the lost WC games, for game inventory for the networks
For all the moaning and complaining about this playoff format making it harder for the best teams, the LCS will feature both #1 seeds and one #2 seed.
Of course, with unified rules, there may be a time that MLB scraps the whole AL/NL anyway, then there could simple be the North, South, East, and West Divisions (or however MLB would carve up the 30 teams into 4 MLB-Wide Divisions)
One of the positives of smaller divisions is more chances of division leaders. There's not much fun in baseball when your team is in 3rd place with a good record. And while Wild Card spots help add games to the playoffs, not many teams enjoy celebrating "Hey, we made it in as a Wild Card".
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 10, 2020, 05:08:28 PM
Post by: Desert Man on October 10, 2020, 05:08:28 PM
I see a reorganized profile of the Minors whenever they can play seasons again after the COVID pandemic is over.
Pacific Coast League (AAA):
Tacoma (Mariners), Portland (independent-the "Mavericks" debut in 2022), San Jose (A's-probable), Sacramento (Giants), Reno (possibly Padres, like the Class-A team they had in the 1970s-80s), Las Vegas (currently A's-could go to D'backs being close to Arizona), maybe Fresno (Nationals), Rancho Cucamonga (class-A Cal League could move up), El Paso (Padres-could become independent or co-op with Latin American pro teams), Salt Lake (Angels), Albuquerque (Rockies), Round Rock (Astros), San Antonio (Brewers), Oklahoma City demoted to double-A in Texas League with a new rival team in Lubbock in Texas, Wichita (Marlins), Omaha (Royals) and Iowa (Cubs).
Geographically, Memphis and Nashville would fare better in the current 14-team International League.
California League (class A):
Inland Empire (Angels), Lake Elsinore (Padres), High Desert (Rockies) the area had a Cal League team before 1991-2016, Lancaster (Dodgers) to replace contracted JetHawks, Visalia (D'backs), Modesto (Mariners), Stockton (A's) and San Jose could move to Santa Clara (Giants) with its history of Cal League teams before.
Western (Pecos) League (class A-AA level):
Bakersfield, California City, Wasco, Hollywood-L.A., Salinas, Monterey, Santa Cruz, Martinez, San Rafael and River Islands (Lathrop). Teams tend to fold or suspend operations.
Pacific Association (class Rookie-A level):
Sonoma, Napa, Vallejo, Pittsburg, California (Solano County) and Contra Costa County - not sure what city.
And the MiLB Dream League proposal, they acquired control of the St. Paul Saints and Sugar Land Skeeters. 3 cities in CA want a minor league team: Chico, Escondido and Ventura County. The league is unaffiliated and has prospect players who are not yet signed up to the majors. On TV news reports, Aberdeen MD, Burlington IO, Lowell MA and New York City's Brooklyn teams could be spared from contraction and join the MiLB Dream League. The Carolina, Eastern and Southern Leagues may expand to 2 teams each in order for each 30 major league teams have a class AAA, class AA and 2 class A farm teams each.
Pacific Coast League (AAA):
Tacoma (Mariners), Portland (independent-the "Mavericks" debut in 2022), San Jose (A's-probable), Sacramento (Giants), Reno (possibly Padres, like the Class-A team they had in the 1970s-80s), Las Vegas (currently A's-could go to D'backs being close to Arizona), maybe Fresno (Nationals), Rancho Cucamonga (class-A Cal League could move up), El Paso (Padres-could become independent or co-op with Latin American pro teams), Salt Lake (Angels), Albuquerque (Rockies), Round Rock (Astros), San Antonio (Brewers), Oklahoma City demoted to double-A in Texas League with a new rival team in Lubbock in Texas, Wichita (Marlins), Omaha (Royals) and Iowa (Cubs).
Geographically, Memphis and Nashville would fare better in the current 14-team International League.
California League (class A):
Inland Empire (Angels), Lake Elsinore (Padres), High Desert (Rockies) the area had a Cal League team before 1991-2016, Lancaster (Dodgers) to replace contracted JetHawks, Visalia (D'backs), Modesto (Mariners), Stockton (A's) and San Jose could move to Santa Clara (Giants) with its history of Cal League teams before.
Western (Pecos) League (class A-AA level):
Bakersfield, California City, Wasco, Hollywood-L.A., Salinas, Monterey, Santa Cruz, Martinez, San Rafael and River Islands (Lathrop). Teams tend to fold or suspend operations.
Pacific Association (class Rookie-A level):
Sonoma, Napa, Vallejo, Pittsburg, California (Solano County) and Contra Costa County - not sure what city.
And the MiLB Dream League proposal, they acquired control of the St. Paul Saints and Sugar Land Skeeters. 3 cities in CA want a minor league team: Chico, Escondido and Ventura County. The league is unaffiliated and has prospect players who are not yet signed up to the majors. On TV news reports, Aberdeen MD, Burlington IO, Lowell MA and New York City's Brooklyn teams could be spared from contraction and join the MiLB Dream League. The Carolina, Eastern and Southern Leagues may expand to 2 teams each in order for each 30 major league teams have a class AAA, class AA and 2 class A farm teams each.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 10, 2020, 05:18:00 PM
Post by: Alps on October 10, 2020, 05:18:00 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on October 10, 2020, 11:24:31 AMThey're gonna want to go to 32 teams someday, and I think it'll be like the other 32 team leagues: 8 divisions, one winner from each, 3 playoff rounds.Quote from: cabiness42 on October 10, 2020, 08:20:33 AMIf anything, I think this format (and season) shows MLB could go back to 2 Divisions per league and just take the Top 2 teams by record from each Division. Then expand the DS round to 7 games to make up for the lost WC games, for game inventory for the networks
For all the moaning and complaining about this playoff format making it harder for the best teams, the LCS will feature both #1 seeds and one #2 seed.
Of course, with unified rules, there may be a time that MLB scraps the whole AL/NL anyway, then there could simple be the North, South, East, and West Divisions (or however MLB would carve up the 30 teams into 4 MLB-Wide Divisions)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 10, 2020, 05:21:50 PM
Post by: Desert Man on October 10, 2020, 05:21:50 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 10, 2020, 05:18:00 PMQuote from: ilpt4u on October 10, 2020, 11:24:31 AMThey're gonna want to go to 32 teams someday, and I think it'll be like the other 32 team leagues: 8 divisions, one winner from each, 3 playoff rounds.Quote from: cabiness42 on October 10, 2020, 08:20:33 AMIf anything, I think this format (and season) shows MLB could go back to 2 Divisions per league and just take the Top 2 teams by record from each Division. Then expand the DS round to 7 games to make up for the lost WC games, for game inventory for the networks
For all the moaning and complaining about this playoff format making it harder for the best teams, the LCS will feature both #1 seeds and one #2 seed.
Of course, with unified rules, there may be a time that MLB scraps the whole AL/NL anyway, then there could simple be the North, South, East, and West Divisions (or however MLB would carve up the 30 teams into 4 MLB-Wide Divisions)
I doubt there will be MLB expansion, which means no more interleague play games and could bring back the Astros to the NL and Brewers in the AL. Not long ago, it appeared Portland OR was the most qualified for a MLB expansion team, but there was no other takers (to even the number of teams in the majors). I don't believe Montreal in Canada will be given a Les Expos deux (2).
Portland OR isn't going to get the majors after all, and thinking more about it, the MiLB Dream League should have the Mavericks instead of the PCL. I remember Japanese majors teams had affiliates in the USA: Lodi, Salinas and San Bernardino in the 1970s-90s period. A PCL Japanese co-op team would work, most likely located in former PCL city Honolulu in Hawaii.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: STLmapboy on October 10, 2020, 06:49:15 PM
Post by: STLmapboy on October 10, 2020, 06:49:15 PM
I'm rooting for the Dodgers because they trounced the Padres who themselves beat the Cards. Also, I've always been fond of the National League for some weird reason.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 10, 2020, 08:19:23 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 10, 2020, 08:19:23 PM
An earlier post mentionned a reduction of affiliates clubs in the minor leagues.
I saw this news posted last September involving the Frontier League and the American Association and the MLB. https://www.mlb.com/press-release/american-association-frontier-league-partner-leagues-of-mlb
I saw this news posted last September involving the Frontier League and the American Association and the MLB. https://www.mlb.com/press-release/american-association-frontier-league-partner-leagues-of-mlb
QuoteMajor League Baseball (MLB) announced today that it has named both the American Association and the Frontier League as "Partner Leagues" of MLB. The American Association and the Frontier League join the Atlantic League of Professional Baseball (ALPB), which was designated a Partner League earlier this week.
As Partner Leagues, the Frontier League and the American Association will collaborate with MLB on initiatives to provide organized baseball to communities throughout the United States and Canada.
Morgan Sword, MLB's Executive Vice President, Baseball Economics & Operations, said: "We welcome the American Association and Frontier Leagues as Partner Leagues, and look forward to working with them toward our shared goal of expanding the geographic reach of baseball."
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 10, 2020, 11:00:29 PM
Post by: Alps on October 10, 2020, 11:00:29 PM
Quote from: Desert Man on October 10, 2020, 05:21:50 PMthat's enough reason for me to believe
I doubt there will be MLB expansion
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 10, 2020, 11:18:00 PM
Post by: Takumi on October 10, 2020, 11:18:00 PM
I wonder how expansion would affect the ongoing minor league contraction/reaffiliaton. Would we see a return of co-ops, or would it just be "all right, I guess you get a team back after all" ?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 11, 2020, 01:47:03 AM
Post by: Desert Man on October 11, 2020, 01:47:03 AM
Quote from: Takumi on October 10, 2020, 11:18:00 PM
I wonder how expansion would affect the ongoing minor league contraction/reaffiliaton. Would we see a return of co-ops, or would it just be "all right, I guess you get a team back after all" ?
Certain teams may be moved to different levels depending on need. I predict there will be 2 AAA leagues (16 teams each), 3 AA leagues (10 teams each), Class-A Advanced has the Cal (8 teams), Carolina (12 teams) and Florida State (10 teams), and Class-A Low has the Midwest (14 teams) and South Atlantic (16 teams). There's still the Arizona rookie and Gulf Coast (in Florida) rookie leagues in spring training sites.
Edit: Wikipedia has the NYP and NW (short-season A) and Pioneer (Advanced Rookie) leagues still active, the Appalachian league is no loner in existence, and the independent Pecos League with 3 divisions: Pacific, Mountain and Central, though the California teams would become the Western League in 2021 separated from the parent: "true" Pecos League (their closest teams in Maricopa and Tucson, both in Arizona).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 11, 2020, 08:20:11 AM
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 11, 2020, 08:20:11 AM
Quote from: Desert Man on October 10, 2020, 05:21:50 PMQuote from: Alps on October 10, 2020, 05:18:00 PMQuote from: ilpt4u on October 10, 2020, 11:24:31 AMThey're gonna want to go to 32 teams someday, and I think it'll be like the other 32 team leagues: 8 divisions, one winner from each, 3 playoff rounds.Quote from: cabiness42 on October 10, 2020, 08:20:33 AMIf anything, I think this format (and season) shows MLB could go back to 2 Divisions per league and just take the Top 2 teams by record from each Division. Then expand the DS round to 7 games to make up for the lost WC games, for game inventory for the networks
For all the moaning and complaining about this playoff format making it harder for the best teams, the LCS will feature both #1 seeds and one #2 seed.
Of course, with unified rules, there may be a time that MLB scraps the whole AL/NL anyway, then there could simple be the North, South, East, and West Divisions (or however MLB would carve up the 30 teams into 4 MLB-Wide Divisions)
I doubt there will be MLB expansion, which means no more interleague play games...
For as much grumbling as there is regarding interleague play, the fans that actually watch the games enjoy the interleague play. Interleague play started when there were 14 teams per league, so there's no reason why they wouldn't continue it should MLB have 16 teams per league.
Also, every other sport plays teams from the other league regularly. Baseball "purists" get all whiny and upset about it, yet they generally have no issues with other changes to the sport. From what I can tell, the extra innings rules this year, which was a dramatic change, was generally well received, and the 7 inning double headers, born out of necessity, went over fairly well too.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 11, 2020, 12:26:50 PM
Post by: Alps on October 11, 2020, 12:26:50 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 11, 2020, 08:20:11 AMNo, neither of those were well received.Quote from: Desert Man on October 10, 2020, 05:21:50 PMQuote from: Alps on October 10, 2020, 05:18:00 PMQuote from: ilpt4u on October 10, 2020, 11:24:31 AMThey're gonna want to go to 32 teams someday, and I think it'll be like the other 32 team leagues: 8 divisions, one winner from each, 3 playoff rounds.Quote from: cabiness42 on October 10, 2020, 08:20:33 AMIf anything, I think this format (and season) shows MLB could go back to 2 Divisions per league and just take the Top 2 teams by record from each Division. Then expand the DS round to 7 games to make up for the lost WC games, for game inventory for the networks
For all the moaning and complaining about this playoff format making it harder for the best teams, the LCS will feature both #1 seeds and one #2 seed.
Of course, with unified rules, there may be a time that MLB scraps the whole AL/NL anyway, then there could simple be the North, South, East, and West Divisions (or however MLB would carve up the 30 teams into 4 MLB-Wide Divisions)
I doubt there will be MLB expansion, which means no more interleague play games...
For as much grumbling as there is regarding interleague play, the fans that actually watch the games enjoy the interleague play. Interleague play started when there were 14 teams per league, so there's no reason why they wouldn't continue it should MLB have 16 teams per league.
Also, every other sport plays teams from the other league regularly. Baseball "purists" get all whiny and upset about it, yet they generally have no issues with other changes to the sport. From what I can tell, the extra innings rules this year, which was a dramatic change, was generally well received, and the 7 inning double headers, born out of necessity, went over fairly well too.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 12, 2020, 04:11:51 PM
Post by: Desert Man on October 12, 2020, 04:11:51 PM
4 US-based winter leagues to have off-season baseball (the first is professional, 2 are instructional only, and later collegiate):
* Arizona Fall League (6 teams, owned and operated by Major League Baseball, all in the Phoenix AZ area, since 1992).
* Pecos Spring League in Houston, TX (owned and operated by said league, 4 teams share the same city, currently active).
* Western Winter League (owned and operated by Pecos League, 4 teams all in the Bakersfield CA area, might disbanded).
* California Winter League (owned by Palm Springs Collegiate League, 4 teams, not sure they're returning in 2021 or 2022).
In 2008 and 2020, the L.A. Dodgers talked to the city of Palm Springs on holding spring training camp in the city, where the LA/California/Anaheim Angels once did from 1961-93, both teams held spring training camp in the Phoenix area, AZ (the Angels in Tempe and Dodgers since 2009 in Glendale), but the Great Recession's economic damage locally and universally, and the COVID pandemic led to restrictions of sports events in many cities nationwide and globally, cancelled negotiations.
* Arizona Fall League (6 teams, owned and operated by Major League Baseball, all in the Phoenix AZ area, since 1992).
* Pecos Spring League in Houston, TX (owned and operated by said league, 4 teams share the same city, currently active).
* Western Winter League (owned and operated by Pecos League, 4 teams all in the Bakersfield CA area, might disbanded).
* California Winter League (owned by Palm Springs Collegiate League, 4 teams, not sure they're returning in 2021 or 2022).
In 2008 and 2020, the L.A. Dodgers talked to the city of Palm Springs on holding spring training camp in the city, where the LA/California/Anaheim Angels once did from 1961-93, both teams held spring training camp in the Phoenix area, AZ (the Angels in Tempe and Dodgers since 2009 in Glendale), but the Great Recession's economic damage locally and universally, and the COVID pandemic led to restrictions of sports events in many cities nationwide and globally, cancelled negotiations.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 12, 2020, 08:19:25 PM
Post by: Takumi on October 12, 2020, 08:19:25 PM
RIP Joe Morgan
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: skquinn on October 12, 2020, 08:24:23 PM
Post by: skquinn on October 12, 2020, 08:24:23 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 11, 2020, 08:20:11 AM
For as much grumbling as there is regarding interleague play, the fans that actually watch the games enjoy the interleague play. Interleague play started when there were 14 teams per league, so there's no reason why they wouldn't continue it should MLB have 16 teams per league.
Also, every other sport plays teams from the other league regularly. Baseball "purists" get all whiny and upset about it, yet they generally have no issues with other changes to the sport. From what I can tell, the extra innings rules this year, which was a dramatic change, was generally well received, and the 7 inning double headers, born out of necessity, went over fairly well too.
The extra innings rule stinks and needs to disappear next year. The DH for the NL needs to disappear too, actually I wouldn't mind seeing it disappear for the AL as well.
I didn't watch any 7 inning double headers, but the statistical issues it brings up for shutouts, no hitters, and perfect games is enough for me to take at least a moderately strong stance against.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on October 12, 2020, 08:55:36 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on October 12, 2020, 08:55:36 PM
My suggestion: If it's tied, whoever got the most recent run first (by inning number and number of outs) wins. If it's still a tie (this includes 0-0), continue to extra innings.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on October 12, 2020, 09:40:52 PM
Post by: kevinb1994 on October 12, 2020, 09:40:52 PM
Quote from: Takumi on October 12, 2020, 08:19:25 PMShoot, looks like he passed away on my birthday this year. :(
RIP Joe Morgan
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: skquinn on October 13, 2020, 10:01:27 AM
Post by: skquinn on October 13, 2020, 10:01:27 AM
Quote from: 1 on October 12, 2020, 08:55:36 PM
My suggestion: If it's tied, whoever got the most recent run first (by inning number and number of outs) wins. If it's still a tie (this includes 0-0), continue to extra innings.
An interesting idea but I doubt it will go over well.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on October 13, 2020, 10:21:57 AM
Post by: hotdogPi on October 13, 2020, 10:21:57 AM
Quote from: skquinn on October 13, 2020, 10:01:27 AMQuote from: 1 on October 12, 2020, 08:55:36 PM
My suggestion: If it's tied, whoever got the most recent run first (by inning number and number of outs) wins. If it's still a tie (this includes 0-0), continue to extra innings.
An interesting idea but I doubt it will go over well.
I have the same idea for basketball and American football, where it would work much better. Baseball is a bit more complicated in that you can only score in one half of the inning, so a team that scores at 10:15 PM may score "later" than 10:25 PM in the second half of the same inning depending on the number of outs. Hockey and association football have too many 0-0 scores for this idea to work. (Baseball also has its 0-0 games, but adding one inning at a time is less problematic than overtime in other sports.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 13, 2020, 05:13:52 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 13, 2020, 05:13:52 PM
Quote from: 1 on October 13, 2020, 10:21:57 AMQuote from: skquinn on October 13, 2020, 10:01:27 AMQuote from: 1 on October 12, 2020, 08:55:36 PM
My suggestion: If it's tied, whoever got the most recent run first (by inning number and number of outs) wins. If it's still a tie (this includes 0-0), continue to extra innings.
An interesting idea but I doubt it will go over well.
I have the same idea for basketball and American football, where it would work much better. Baseball is a bit more complicated in that you can only score in one half of the inning, so a team that scores at 10:15 PM may score "later" than 10:25 PM in the second half of the same inning depending on the number of outs. Hockey and association football have too many 0-0 scores for this idea to work. (Baseball also has its 0-0 games, but adding one inning at a time is less problematic than overtime in other sports.)
I have something a little bit different for football. There is an overtime where each team gets one possession. If the first team scores a touchdown, it is noted how many plays it took to score. If the second team scores in fewer plays they win, the same number of plays they continue to another overtime, and if it takes more plays they lose. Should cut down on the number of overtimes in college football.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 19, 2020, 10:28:30 AM
Post by: Henry on October 19, 2020, 10:28:30 AM
The World Series is all set: It'll be the Rays taking on the Dodgers in Arlington. As much as I'd love to see another championship won by a Tampa Bay team (following the Lightning's recent win in the Stanley Cup Final), I'll go L.A. in six.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on October 19, 2020, 04:03:57 PM
Post by: CoreySamson on October 19, 2020, 04:03:57 PM
So the Rays ended the Astros season, but I am still amazed about what they accomplished this year.
If you had told me that the Astros would make it all the way to Game 7 of the ALCS when they were 6-9 fifteen games into the season and coming off an ugly loss to the A's where one of their coaches got ejected, or at the end of the regular season when they finished 29-31 and were playing lethargically, or even when they were down 3-0 earlier in the ALCS, I would've said no way.
I can't think of a baseball team that has managed to thrive with so much adversity thrown at it. The pitching staff (particularly the bullpen) was full of inexperienced players, they had a new manager, some of the best bats had bad seasons (Altuve, Bregman), nearly the entire team was plagued with injuries the entire time, with Verlander and Alvarez missing nearly the whole season and almost every starter missing time at some time or another, not to mention all the hate they've gotten and the Covid restrictions every team has endured.
Yet they still made Game 7 of the ALCS. Hate all you want at them, but I think this season was a success.
As for who I'm rooting for in the WS...
Go Rays!
If you had told me that the Astros would make it all the way to Game 7 of the ALCS when they were 6-9 fifteen games into the season and coming off an ugly loss to the A's where one of their coaches got ejected, or at the end of the regular season when they finished 29-31 and were playing lethargically, or even when they were down 3-0 earlier in the ALCS, I would've said no way.
I can't think of a baseball team that has managed to thrive with so much adversity thrown at it. The pitching staff (particularly the bullpen) was full of inexperienced players, they had a new manager, some of the best bats had bad seasons (Altuve, Bregman), nearly the entire team was plagued with injuries the entire time, with Verlander and Alvarez missing nearly the whole season and almost every starter missing time at some time or another, not to mention all the hate they've gotten and the Covid restrictions every team has endured.
Yet they still made Game 7 of the ALCS. Hate all you want at them, but I think this season was a success.
As for who I'm rooting for in the WS...
Go Rays!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on October 21, 2020, 09:29:49 AM
Post by: ET21 on October 21, 2020, 09:29:49 AM
Go Rays, let's continue the trend of small market cities winning the WS
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Billy F 1988 on October 22, 2020, 06:21:46 PM
Post by: Billy F 1988 on October 22, 2020, 06:21:46 PM
Watch all of South Florida forego COVID gathering restrictions when the Rays do win the series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on October 22, 2020, 06:24:32 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on October 22, 2020, 06:24:32 PM
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on October 22, 2020, 06:21:46 PM
Watch all of South Florida forego COVID gathering restrictions when the Rays do win the series.
Most of Florida, including South Florida, is near the national average for COVID in recent cases. It's not like it was two months ago. That said, large groups should still be discouraged.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Billy F 1988 on October 22, 2020, 07:32:29 PM
Post by: Billy F 1988 on October 22, 2020, 07:32:29 PM
Quote from: 1 on October 22, 2020, 06:24:32 PMQuote from: Billy F 1988 on October 22, 2020, 06:21:46 PM
Watch all of South Florida forego COVID gathering restrictions when the Rays do win the series.
Most of Florida, including South Florida, is near the national average for COVID in recent cases. It's not like it was two months ago. That said, large groups should still be discouraged.
True. :)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 22, 2020, 09:37:09 PM
Post by: Desert Man on October 22, 2020, 09:37:09 PM
The Dodgers won game 1, then the Rays under Mr October 21st century Randy Arozarena, the series now tied 1-1. This is the Dodgers' 3rd World Series in 4 years and they hadn't won it since 1988 when they were "team of the 1980s" included their 1981 victory over the Yankees with Mexican phenom Fernando-mania Valenzuela. As a (southern) CA region native, I want the Dodgers to win, just like with the Lakers (NBA champs), I want the 49ers back in the super bowl and the Golden Knights not far from me are hockey's best.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Desert Man on October 25, 2020, 12:20:39 AM
Post by: Desert Man on October 25, 2020, 12:20:39 AM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on March 31, 2019, 06:23:32 PM
There's this forgotten thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=5534.0). Back when the last post to date was made there the Cubs had not won a World Series for over a century...
And I found this other forgotten thread about baseball, but I have something to share:
There's a minor league baseball team logo features a full moon: Asheville NC Tourists of the South Atlantic League (class A) and has been a Colorado Rockies affiliate for over 25 (exactly 27) years since the major league parent debuted in 1993.
https://www.google.com/search?q=asheville+tourists&rlz=1CATTSD_enUS897&sxsrf=ALeKk02bx0dWM0vEEEEpDDbJOktMvJH3wQ:1603598495311&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiWjbP17c7sAhXJqZ4KHc0-DmsQ_AUoAXoECAQQAw&biw=1366&bih=649
https://www.milb.com/asheville (for the logo of a Moon-man's face).
The minors from MLB affiliated to independent to collegiate level (not quite the minors) bring baseball into your hometown.
Hopefully, the pandemic shortened 2020 season ends with a Dodgers victory (they lead 2-2 after the Tampa Bay Rays won game 4 a minute ago). The MLB selected 6 neutral game sites in southern CA (LA and San Diego), FL and TX (the world series in Arlington) but I like a repeat world series next year for home fans in Los Angeles (Dodger stadium) and Tampa-St Petersburg areas.
The NL's Chicago Cubs in 2016 was "a sign of the end of the world", same hype back in (December 21) 2012 and the COVID pandemic in 2020 is expected to cease like all historic pandemics do, baseball is an escape from the fear and darkness in this sick sad world. The Cubs took longer (108 years) to win a world series than their crosstown White Sox (88 years), the other (Red) Sox (shorter in 86 years) and the 1980 Phillies after 98 years (almost a century). All I know is the Dodgers hadn't had a world title since 1988...a long 33 years, but the AL's Cleveland Indians hadn't won it longer for over 70 (exactly 72) years.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 28, 2020, 10:35:21 AM
Post by: Henry on October 28, 2020, 10:35:21 AM
It happened again: The Dodgers and Lakers winning championships in the same year (they also did it in 1988). If the Rays had come back and won, wouldn't that have been the first time that a city/metropolitan area had World Series and Stanley Cup champions in the same year?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 28, 2020, 11:33:23 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 28, 2020, 11:33:23 AM
Quote from: Henry on October 28, 2020, 10:35:21 AM
It happened again: The Dodgers and Lakers winning championships in the same year (they also did it in 1988). If the Rays had come back and won, wouldn't that have been the first time that a city/metropolitan area had World Series and Stanley Cup champions in the same year?
1928: New York Rangers and Yankees
1933: New York Rangers and Giants
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 28, 2020, 08:11:33 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 28, 2020, 08:11:33 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 28, 2020, 11:33:23 AMQuote from: Henry on October 28, 2020, 10:35:21 AM
It happened again: The Dodgers and Lakers winning championships in the same year (they also did it in 1988). If the Rays had come back and won, wouldn't that have been the first time that a city/metropolitan area had World Series and Stanley Cup champions in the same year?
1928: New York Rangers and Yankees
1933: New York Rangers and Giants
If only there wasn't a strike in 1994, who knows if the NY Rangers and Yankees would had been champions in the same year?
And in football, the Red Wings and the Lions had won the Stanley Cup and the NFL championship (pre-Super Bowl era) in the same year in 1952.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 28, 2020, 09:03:55 PM
Post by: Alps on October 28, 2020, 09:03:55 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on October 28, 2020, 08:11:33 PMLes Expos would have won in the alternate 1994 where they stay in Montréal.Quote from: cabiness42 on October 28, 2020, 11:33:23 AMQuote from: Henry on October 28, 2020, 10:35:21 AM
It happened again: The Dodgers and Lakers winning championships in the same year (they also did it in 1988). If the Rays had come back and won, wouldn't that have been the first time that a city/metropolitan area had World Series and Stanley Cup champions in the same year?
1928: New York Rangers and Yankees
1933: New York Rangers and Giants
If only there wasn't a strike in 1994, who knows if the NY Rangers and Yankees would had been champions in the same year?
And in football, the Red Wings and the Lions had won the Stanley Cup and the NFL championship (pre-Super Bowl era) in the same year in 1952.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on December 09, 2020, 05:40:39 PM
Post by: kevinb1994 on December 09, 2020, 05:40:39 PM
I am pleased to announce that the Jacksonville Jumbo Shrimp are now the AAA affiliate of the Miami Marlins (and will play as part of the AAA East).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on December 13, 2020, 09:32:43 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on December 13, 2020, 09:32:43 PM
Cleveland Indians are going to change their name.
No word on whether they're going to become the Cleveland Redskins instead. :bigass:
No word on whether they're going to become the Cleveland Redskins instead. :bigass:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on December 13, 2020, 09:49:12 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on December 13, 2020, 09:49:12 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 13, 2020, 09:32:43 PM
Cleveland Indians are going to change their name.
No word on whether they're going to become the Cleveland Redskins instead. :bigass:
How about Red Jays, as an opposition to the Toronto Blue Jays just like the Red Sox and the White Sox?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T02FE0GDn0
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on December 13, 2020, 10:32:47 PM
Post by: ilpt4u on December 13, 2020, 10:32:47 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 13, 2020, 09:32:43 PMCleveland River Flames
Cleveland Indians are going to change their name.
No word on whether they're going to become the Cleveland Redskins instead. :bigass:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on December 13, 2020, 10:48:11 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on December 13, 2020, 10:48:11 PM
Saw this riff on Chief Wahoo on another forum:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201214/309f4be0ed816a701128e497754d6a94.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201214/309f4be0ed816a701128e497754d6a94.jpg)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on December 14, 2020, 08:05:45 AM
Post by: hotdogPi on December 14, 2020, 08:05:45 AM
Ideas for what they could be if they move into the suburbs:
Parma Hams
Euclid Mathematicians
Avon Cosmetics
Parma Hams
Euclid Mathematicians
Avon Cosmetics
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kurumi on December 14, 2020, 12:33:42 PM
Post by: kurumi on December 14, 2020, 12:33:42 PM
As a Spinal Tap fan, I'm favoring a name change to "Hello Cleveland"
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 14, 2020, 01:21:13 PM
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 14, 2020, 01:21:13 PM
The Cleveland Rocks
:bigass:
https://youtu.be/SJ3plaSowWc
:bigass:
https://youtu.be/SJ3plaSowWc
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on December 14, 2020, 02:51:21 PM
Post by: mgk920 on December 14, 2020, 02:51:21 PM
When Cleveland, OH was without an NFL team, Tom Batiuk had an ongoing background setting of the characters in his comic strip Funky Winkerbean (set in suburban NE Ohio) rooting for a fictional NFL team called the 'Cleveland Rockers' and using a stylized image of the R&R HoF as their helmet logo.
Maybe that could be an inspiration.
Mike
Maybe that could be an inspiration.
Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on December 14, 2020, 03:34:34 PM
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on December 14, 2020, 03:34:34 PM
I would rename them the Cleveland Cubs, since they have now the longest championship drought :evilgrin:. Ironically the Cubs ended theirs against Cleveland.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on December 14, 2020, 04:15:33 PM
Post by: Takumi on December 14, 2020, 04:15:33 PM
I'll be surprised if they don't change it to the Spiders. Or maybe Cleveland Baseball Team.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: oscar on December 14, 2020, 04:32:51 PM
Post by: oscar on December 14, 2020, 04:32:51 PM
Quote from: Takumi on December 14, 2020, 04:15:33 PM
I'll be surprised if they don't change it to the Spiders. Or maybe Cleveland Baseball Team.
AIUI, the plan is to keep the Indians name for the 2021 season. That means more time to select a less generic, permanent new name, than the Redskins had for their hasty interim name change.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on December 15, 2020, 09:42:55 AM
Post by: ET21 on December 15, 2020, 09:42:55 AM
Spiders would be a cool name, plus recognizes the original team
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on December 15, 2020, 12:00:00 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on December 15, 2020, 12:00:00 PM
Quote from: ET21 on December 15, 2020, 09:42:55 AM
Spiders would be a cool name, plus recognizes the original team
While we're at it, how about Sockalexis? As a tribute to Louis Sockalexis, a player of the Spiders. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Sockalexis
They could also use names from others sports like the Barons or using other birds or feline names like Lynx, Falcons, etc...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Scott5114 on December 15, 2020, 11:28:29 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on December 15, 2020, 11:28:29 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on December 14, 2020, 02:51:21 PM
When Cleveland, OH was without an NFL team, Tom Batiuk had an ongoing background setting of the characters in his comic strip Funky Winkerbean ... Maybe that could be an inspiration.
If so, that would mark the first time anyone was inspired, rather than depressed, by Funky Winkerbean.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 16, 2020, 05:25:50 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 16, 2020, 05:25:50 PM
Quote from: oscar on December 14, 2020, 04:32:51 PM
the plan is to keep the Indians name for the 2021 season. That means more time to select a less generic, permanent new name, than the Redskins had for their hasty interim name change.
They don't have a sexual harassment scandal they are trying to distract attention from? That's why the 'skins rushed the ignominious change, after all.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on December 16, 2020, 11:41:51 PM
Post by: Henry on December 16, 2020, 11:41:51 PM
I can see them called the Spiders, but unfortunately, that name has lots of baggage attached to it, thanks to that notoriously historic 1899 season in which they lost 134 games (out of 154). Of course that spelled the end of NL baseball in Cleveland, but their AL successors have done a lot better, with five pennants and two World Series championships (even though they haven't won since 1948).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 18, 2020, 11:01:40 AM
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 18, 2020, 11:01:40 AM
Spiders ain't gonna work for the simple reason that most people hate spiders.
Lean on the city's status as a port and call 'em the Cleveland Dockers. They'll have a built-in corporate sponsor. Free khakis night at the ball park! It'll be great.
Lean on the city's status as a port and call 'em the Cleveland Dockers. They'll have a built-in corporate sponsor. Free khakis night at the ball park! It'll be great.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 18, 2020, 07:19:26 PM
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 18, 2020, 07:19:26 PM
I saw this on someone's Facebook page who I believe is a member here, so apologies for stealing it.
It's a fairly good history of the Fleer Baseball card company, its rise and fall from fame, and some of its disputes with Topps.
https://hiddencityphila.org/2016/02/dubble-bubble-baseball-cards-philadelphias-fleer-legacy/
It's a fairly good history of the Fleer Baseball card company, its rise and fall from fame, and some of its disputes with Topps.
https://hiddencityphila.org/2016/02/dubble-bubble-baseball-cards-philadelphias-fleer-legacy/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on December 18, 2020, 09:51:47 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on December 18, 2020, 09:51:47 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 18, 2020, 11:01:40 AM
Spiders ain't gonna work for the simple reason that most people hate spiders.
Lean on the city's status as a port and call 'em the Cleveland Dockers. They'll have a built-in corporate sponsor. Free khakis night at the ball park! It'll be great.
Unless playing on some namegames like Spidey or if Marvel comics don't ask too much for name rights, the Spider-man. ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on December 18, 2020, 10:46:17 PM
Post by: mgk920 on December 18, 2020, 10:46:17 PM
With MLB recognizing seven Negro Leagues that played from 1920 through 1948 as full 'Major Leagues' for all purposes, there will be some changes in the record book. Some of these will be significant as there was some incredible talent that played in those circuits during those years.
A few examples:
- Willy Mays will now be credited with 661 instead of 660 career home runs. He had 11 base hits, including one home run, during a stint with the Birmingham Black Barons of the Negro American League in 1948.
- Josh Gibson will now hold the record for highest single-season batting average (minimum 3.1 plate appearances/games played by his team in the entire season). He hit .466 with the Homestead Grays of the Negro National League in 1943. This is two years after Ted Williams hit .406 with the Boston Red Sox in 1941. Gibson's record will supplant Hugh Duffy at #1, who hit .440 for the Boston Beaneaters (now Atlanta Braves) in 1894. Gibson would have dominated all of Baseball as a hitter during his career had he been able to.
- Ted Williams and Babe Ruth will both likely drop out of the top ten in career batting averages.
Mike
A few examples:
- Willy Mays will now be credited with 661 instead of 660 career home runs. He had 11 base hits, including one home run, during a stint with the Birmingham Black Barons of the Negro American League in 1948.
- Josh Gibson will now hold the record for highest single-season batting average (minimum 3.1 plate appearances/games played by his team in the entire season). He hit .466 with the Homestead Grays of the Negro National League in 1943. This is two years after Ted Williams hit .406 with the Boston Red Sox in 1941. Gibson's record will supplant Hugh Duffy at #1, who hit .440 for the Boston Beaneaters (now Atlanta Braves) in 1894. Gibson would have dominated all of Baseball as a hitter during his career had he been able to.
- Ted Williams and Babe Ruth will both likely drop out of the top ten in career batting averages.
Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on December 19, 2020, 11:47:53 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on December 19, 2020, 11:47:53 AM
^^^^^
The weird thing is that seemingly every stats site I view gives different numbers. From what I understand, that's always been a difficulty with Negro League statistics–they simply weren't maintained as religiously as MLB statistics were at the time and it's therefore hard to reconstruct them. Either way, there's no doubt that by all accounts Josh Gibson was an incredible hitter.
The weird thing is that seemingly every stats site I view gives different numbers. From what I understand, that's always been a difficulty with Negro League statistics–they simply weren't maintained as religiously as MLB statistics were at the time and it's therefore hard to reconstruct them. Either way, there's no doubt that by all accounts Josh Gibson was an incredible hitter.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on December 19, 2020, 12:51:36 PM
Post by: mgk920 on December 19, 2020, 12:51:36 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 19, 2020, 11:47:53 AM
^^^^^
The weird thing is that seemingly every stats site I view gives different numbers. From what I understand, that's always been a difficulty with Negro League statistics–they simply weren't maintained as religiously as MLB statistics were at the time and it's therefore hard to reconstruct them. Either way, there's no doubt that by all accounts Josh Gibson was an incredible hitter.
An article that I read a couple of days ago said that there are statisticians who have been going over pretty much everything that they can find over the past couple of decades, old scorebooks, newspapers, everything, reconstructing and confirming these stats. Only recently was a box score found and confirmed to credit Mays with that 661st home run (which had previously only been rumored, even though he was known to have reached base 11 times that season) in 1948.
Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: rawmustard on January 08, 2021, 12:41:11 PM
Post by: rawmustard on January 08, 2021, 12:41:11 PM
Legendary Dodgers manager Tommy Lasorda has died aged 93 (https://www.latimes.com/obituaries/story/2021-01-08/dodgers-legendary-manager-tom-lasorda-dies-at-age-93-heart-attack).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on January 08, 2021, 02:41:36 PM
Post by: kevinb1994 on January 08, 2021, 02:41:36 PM
Quote from: rawmustard on January 08, 2021, 12:41:11 PMOof, may he RIP.
Legendary Dodgers manager Tommy Lasorda has died aged 93 (https://www.latimes.com/obituaries/story/2021-01-08/dodgers-legendary-manager-tom-lasorda-dies-at-age-93-heart-attack).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 08, 2021, 09:05:04 PM
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 08, 2021, 09:05:04 PM
Quote from: rawmustard on January 08, 2021, 12:41:11 PM
Legendary Dodgers manager Tommy Lasorda has died aged 93 (https://www.latimes.com/obituaries/story/2021-01-08/dodgers-legendary-manager-tom-lasorda-dies-at-age-93-heart-attack).
https://youtu.be/vX4L2LHGs98
He did not like the Philly Phanatic!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on January 19, 2021, 10:26:10 AM
Post by: Henry on January 19, 2021, 10:26:10 AM
While I remain fiercely loyal to the Cubs, my daughter shares no such ties, instead bleeding Dodger blue, since she was born in L.A. But I'll let it slide in light of the passing of one of the greatest managers of all time. Although Lasorda's many antics got on my nerves a lot, at least he always made damn sure his team got it done when it mattered the most, and the Dodgers can thank him for those two World Series titles he gave them back in the 80s.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on January 21, 2021, 04:57:35 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on January 21, 2021, 04:57:35 PM
I'll always remember this moment from the 2001 All Star Game:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Y4GbGVk9DKk
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Y4GbGVk9DKk
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: rawmustard on January 22, 2021, 11:48:57 AM
Post by: rawmustard on January 22, 2021, 11:48:57 AM
And now Hammerin' Hank has passed at 86 (https://www.mlb.com/news/hank-aaron-baseball-legend-dies).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on January 27, 2021, 11:02:58 AM
Post by: Henry on January 27, 2021, 11:02:58 AM
Not surprisingly, Cooperstown has once again rejected Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and Curt Schilling (who later asked to be removed from the ballot). It just goes to show how tainted the 90s really were, with those PEDs. And yes, it's sad to hear that the real home run king is now dead and gone.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: I-39 on January 27, 2021, 11:07:48 AM
Post by: I-39 on January 27, 2021, 11:07:48 AM
Quote from: Henry on January 27, 2021, 11:02:58 AM
Not surprisingly, Cooperstown has once again rejected Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and Curt Schilling (who later asked to be removed from the ballot). It just goes to show how tainted the 90s really were, with those PEDs. And yes, it's sad to hear that the real home run king is now dead and gone.
Was Schilling ever implicated for using steroids, or is the reason he isn't in Cooperstown more related to his outspoken views?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on January 27, 2021, 11:10:23 AM
Post by: Takumi on January 27, 2021, 11:10:23 AM
As far as I know, Schilling was never linked with PEDs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on January 27, 2021, 06:29:23 PM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on January 27, 2021, 06:29:23 PM
He's a borderline HOF player. 216 wins and an average ERA. He built his legacy as a great postseason player, certainly helped by being part of the two most dramatic/memorable postseason games of the last 20 years. I hate his views, but I don't like voters wanting to use that as part of their criteria; Barry Bonds being a legendary douche to the media probably doesn't help him any more than his PED use.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: brad2971 on January 27, 2021, 06:53:38 PM
Post by: brad2971 on January 27, 2021, 06:53:38 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 27, 2021, 06:29:23 PM
He's a borderline HOF player. 216 wins and an average ERA. He built his legacy as a great postseason player, certainly helped by being part of the two most dramatic/memorable postseason games of the last 20 years. I hate his views, but I don't like voters wanting to use that as part of their criteria; Barry Bonds being a legendary douche to the media probably doesn't help him any more than his PED use.
Barry Bonds was vindicated by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals a few years back when that court threw out his conviction for obstruction of justice in the BALCO case. And that conviction came about because the prosecutors didn't like Barry going the roundabout way to an affirmative answer in grand jury testimony.
If MLB and its Hall of Fame are holding that against Barry, it wouldn't be the first time. After all, Shoeless Joe Jackson was vindicated by a Chicago jury in the Black Sox scandal, but that didn't stop MLB's long-standing grudge against him.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on January 27, 2021, 07:41:38 PM
Post by: Alps on January 27, 2021, 07:41:38 PM
Quote from: brad2971 on January 27, 2021, 06:53:38 PMThere is very little doubt that Barroid was a user, regardless of court cases. Schilling... IMO his playing career deserves inclusion, and since he wasn't that outspokenly awful during his career, he likely makes it at some point.Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 27, 2021, 06:29:23 PM
He's a borderline HOF player. 216 wins and an average ERA. He built his legacy as a great postseason player, certainly helped by being part of the two most dramatic/memorable postseason games of the last 20 years. I hate his views, but I don't like voters wanting to use that as part of their criteria; Barry Bonds being a legendary douche to the media probably doesn't help him any more than his PED use.
Barry Bonds was vindicated by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals a few years back when that court threw out his conviction for obstruction of justice in the BALCO case. And that conviction came about because the prosecutors didn't like Barry going the roundabout way to an affirmative answer in grand jury testimony.
If MLB and its Hall of Fame are holding that against Barry, it wouldn't be the first time. After all, Shoeless Joe Jackson was vindicated by a Chicago jury in the Black Sox scandal, but that didn't stop MLB's long-standing grudge against him.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: I-39 on January 27, 2021, 07:48:00 PM
Post by: I-39 on January 27, 2021, 07:48:00 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 27, 2021, 06:29:23 PM
He's a borderline HOF player. 216 wins and an average ERA. He built his legacy as a great postseason player, certainly helped by being part of the two most dramatic/memorable postseason games of the last 20 years. I hate his views, but I don't like voters wanting to use that as part of their criteria; Barry Bonds being a legendary douche to the media probably doesn't help him any more than his PED use.
What? You mean you weren't a fan of Bonds on Bonds back in the day on ESPN?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 27, 2021, 07:56:47 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 27, 2021, 07:56:47 PM
Quote from: brad2971 on January 27, 2021, 06:53:38 PMQuote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 27, 2021, 06:29:23 PM
He's a borderline HOF player. 216 wins and an average ERA. He built his legacy as a great postseason player, certainly helped by being part of the two most dramatic/memorable postseason games of the last 20 years. I hate his views, but I don't like voters wanting to use that as part of their criteria; Barry Bonds being a legendary douche to the media probably doesn't help him any more than his PED use.
Barry Bonds was vindicated by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals a few years back when that court threw out his conviction for obstruction of justice in the BALCO case. And that conviction came about because the prosecutors didn't like Barry going the roundabout way to an affirmative answer in grand jury testimony.
If MLB and its Hall of Fame are holding that against Barry, it wouldn't be the first time. After all, Shoeless Joe Jackson was vindicated by a Chicago jury in the Black Sox scandal, but that didn't stop MLB's long-standing grudge against him.
Vindicated or not the dude was an obvious hard core steroid user for the second half of his career. You don't get a giant head like that from working out with a personal trainer. I would say that I believe his career before the obvious steroid use was hall of fame worthy.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on January 27, 2021, 08:06:41 PM
Post by: Takumi on January 27, 2021, 08:06:41 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 27, 2021, 06:29:23 PMHe also had over 3,000 strikeouts, a threshold that normally is a lock for the Hall. So far, only he and Clemens have reached the threshold without being inducted yet. (CC Sabathia isn't eligible yet, and Justin Verlander is obviously still active.) I agree with you and Alps that his views, while, uh, questionable at best, aren't necessarily tied to his playing career, though (and I know I'm treading on thin ice here, sorry mods) there were reports of writers asking the Hall to remove him from their ballots after the Capitol riots, and, as one writer said, "Mariano Rivera is a Trump supporter and was still elected unanimously."
He's a borderline HOF player. 216 wins and an average ERA. He built his legacy as a great postseason player, certainly helped by being part of the two most dramatic/memorable postseason games of the last 20 years. I hate his views, but I don't like voters wanting to use that as part of their criteria; Barry Bonds being a legendary douche to the media probably doesn't help him any more than his PED use.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: webny99 on January 27, 2021, 08:23:00 PM
Post by: webny99 on January 27, 2021, 08:23:00 PM
I'm going to post this here because it's relevant to this discussion and I found it interesting, even as someone who knows comparatively little about baseball (relevant discussion begins with 25:47 remaining):
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wait-was-the-green-bay-field-goal-the-right-call/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wait-was-the-green-bay-field-goal-the-right-call/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 28, 2021, 11:35:14 AM
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 28, 2021, 11:35:14 AM
QuoteSchilling... IMO his playing career deserves inclusion, and since he wasn't that outspokenly awful during his career, he likely makes it at some point.
Quote from: Takumi on January 27, 2021, 08:06:41 PMQuote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 27, 2021, 06:29:23 PMHe also had over 3,000 strikeouts, a threshold that normally is a lock for the Hall. So far, only he and Clemens have reached the threshold without being inducted yet. (CC Sabathia isn't eligible yet, and Justin Verlander is obviously still active.) I agree with you and Alps that his views, while, uh, questionable at best, aren't necessarily tied to his playing career, though (and I know I'm treading on thin ice here, sorry mods) there were reports of writers asking the Hall to remove him from their ballots after the Capitol riots, and, as one writer said, "Mariano Rivera is a Trump supporter and was still elected unanimously."
He's a borderline HOF player. 216 wins and an average ERA. He built his legacy as a great postseason player, certainly helped by being part of the two most dramatic/memorable postseason games of the last 20 years. I hate his views, but I don't like voters wanting to use that as part of their criteria; Barry Bonds being a legendary douche to the media probably doesn't help him any more than his PED use.
I agree that Schilling deserves inclusion based on his playing career. His playing career was close to John Smoltz as a starter IMO, and he definitely had much more postseason success (since his teams won the World Series 3 times (DBacks in 2001, Red Sox in 2004 and 2007).
Beyond political opinions, I wonder if there may be some Yankee fans still against his inclusion because they may not believe that the bloody sock in the 2004 ALCS was real.
Considering that Ty Cobb is in the Hall of Fame, I expect a Veterans Committee to put Schilling in eventually.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on March 30, 2021, 10:12:16 AM
Post by: Henry on March 30, 2021, 10:12:16 AM
Thursday is Opening Day, with a full slate of games planned:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/schedule/_/date/20210401
(My Cubs are hosting the Pirates that afternoon.)
https://www.espn.com/mlb/schedule/_/date/20210401
(My Cubs are hosting the Pirates that afternoon.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on March 30, 2021, 05:34:27 PM
Post by: Alps on March 30, 2021, 05:34:27 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on January 28, 2021, 11:35:14 AMThe bloody sock was real, but his public statements do affect a certain number of voters, and that may be just enough to keep him out. At least for now. To me, I recall him paired with Randy Johnson, and Randy was unquestionably more formidable.QuoteSchilling... IMO his playing career deserves inclusion, and since he wasn't that outspokenly awful during his career, he likely makes it at some point.Quote from: Takumi on January 27, 2021, 08:06:41 PMQuote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 27, 2021, 06:29:23 PMHe also had over 3,000 strikeouts, a threshold that normally is a lock for the Hall. So far, only he and Clemens have reached the threshold without being inducted yet. (CC Sabathia isn't eligible yet, and Justin Verlander is obviously still active.) I agree with you and Alps that his views, while, uh, questionable at best, aren't necessarily tied to his playing career, though (and I know I'm treading on thin ice here, sorry mods) there were reports of writers asking the Hall to remove him from their ballots after the Capitol riots, and, as one writer said, "Mariano Rivera is a Trump supporter and was still elected unanimously."
He's a borderline HOF player. 216 wins and an average ERA. He built his legacy as a great postseason player, certainly helped by being part of the two most dramatic/memorable postseason games of the last 20 years. I hate his views, but I don't like voters wanting to use that as part of their criteria; Barry Bonds being a legendary douche to the media probably doesn't help him any more than his PED use.
I agree that Schilling deserves inclusion based on his playing career. His playing career was close to John Smoltz as a starter IMO, and he definitely had much more postseason success (since his teams won the World Series 3 times (DBacks in 2001, Red Sox in 2004 and 2007).
Beyond political opinions, I wonder if there may be some Yankee fans still against his inclusion because they may not believe that the bloody sock in the 2004 ALCS was real.
Considering that Ty Cobb is in the Hall of Fame, I expect a Veterans Committee to put Schilling in eventually.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 01, 2021, 07:30:06 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 01, 2021, 07:30:06 AM
IT'S OPENING DAY!
White Sox are opening in Anaheim, where it's expected to be 79 degrees at the 7pm PDT first pitch.
Meanwhile, that other Chicago team opens at home, where it's expected to be 38 degrees at the 1pm CDT first pitch.
White Sox are opening in Anaheim, where it's expected to be 79 degrees at the 7pm PDT first pitch.
Meanwhile, that other Chicago team opens at home, where it's expected to be 38 degrees at the 1pm CDT first pitch.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on April 01, 2021, 10:11:42 AM
Post by: ET21 on April 01, 2021, 10:11:42 AM
Time for the AL MVP to defend his title
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on April 01, 2021, 10:32:02 AM
Post by: Henry on April 01, 2021, 10:32:02 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 01, 2021, 07:30:06 AMActually, the White Sox would be referred to as "that other Chicago team", because the Cubs are far more popular everywhere, with the exception of the South and (possibly) West Sides.
IT'S OPENING DAY!
White Sox are opening in Anaheim, where it's expected to be 79 degrees at the 7pm PDT first pitch.
Meanwhile, that other Chicago team opens at home, where it's expected to be 38 degrees at the 1pm CDT first pitch.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CtrlAltDel on April 01, 2021, 01:26:27 PM
Post by: CtrlAltDel on April 01, 2021, 01:26:27 PM
Quote from: Henry on April 01, 2021, 10:32:02 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on April 01, 2021, 07:30:06 AMActually, the White Sox would be referred to as "that other Chicago team", because the Cubs are far more popular everywhere, with the exception of the South and (possibly) West Sides.
IT'S OPENING DAY!
White Sox are opening in Anaheim, where it's expected to be 79 degrees at the 7pm PDT first pitch.
Meanwhile, that other Chicago team opens at home, where it's expected to be 38 degrees at the 1pm CDT first pitch.
That's right. The White Sox are that "that other Chicago team," even with respect to the Chicago White Sox. :-D
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on April 01, 2021, 03:34:25 PM
Post by: ET21 on April 01, 2021, 03:34:25 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on April 01, 2021, 01:26:27 PMQuote from: Henry on April 01, 2021, 10:32:02 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on April 01, 2021, 07:30:06 AMActually, the White Sox would be referred to as "that other Chicago team", because the Cubs are far more popular everywhere, with the exception of the South and (possibly) West Sides.
IT'S OPENING DAY!
White Sox are opening in Anaheim, where it's expected to be 79 degrees at the 7pm PDT first pitch.
Meanwhile, that other Chicago team opens at home, where it's expected to be 38 degrees at the 1pm CDT first pitch.
That's right. The White Sox are that "that other Chicago team," even with respect to the Chicago White Sox. :-D
Its ok, the Cubs will be "that other Chicago team" when we eventually win the World Series with this core
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: LM117 on April 02, 2021, 04:08:26 PM
Post by: LM117 on April 02, 2021, 04:08:26 PM
The All-Star game has been pulled from Atlanta.
https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game (https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game)
https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game (https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on April 02, 2021, 04:14:59 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on April 02, 2021, 04:14:59 PM
Quote from: LM117 on April 02, 2021, 04:08:26 PMDon't want to get too political but this seems similar to the situation in North Carolina with the bathrooms.
The All-Star game has been pulled from Atlanta.
https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game (https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 02, 2021, 04:20:11 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 02, 2021, 04:20:11 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 02, 2021, 04:14:59 PMQuote from: LM117 on April 02, 2021, 04:08:26 PMDon't want to get too political but this seems similar to the situation in North Carolina with the bathrooms.
The All-Star game has been pulled from Atlanta.
https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game (https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game)
Just the beginning for Georgia. Atlanta is almost certainly out of the running for consideration for future Super Bowls, Final Fours or any other NCAA championship events. ACC may not allow GaTech to host any championship events.
Biggest question is whether a critical mass of golfers forces the Masters to move. Not this year since it's coming up so soon, but I can see it happening next year if things don't change before then.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on April 02, 2021, 04:25:06 PM
Post by: Big John on April 02, 2021, 04:25:06 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 02, 2021, 04:20:11 PMI don't see the Masters moving under any circumstances.
Biggest question is whether a critical mass of golfers forces the Masters to move. Not this year since it's coming up so soon, but I can see it happening next year if things don't change before then.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on April 02, 2021, 04:26:28 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on April 02, 2021, 04:26:28 PM
Quote from: Big John on April 02, 2021, 04:25:06 PMProbably not, considering the demographics of golf...Quote from: cabiness42 on April 02, 2021, 04:20:11 PMI don't see the Masters moving under any circumstances.
Biggest question is whether a critical mass of golfers forces the Masters to move. Not this year since it's coming up so soon, but I can see it happening next year if things don't change before then.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on April 02, 2021, 04:33:56 PM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on April 02, 2021, 04:33:56 PM
I'd argue the venue is *the* Masters. You can play the World Series or Super Bowl in any one of 30 cities, whatever, it still works. The Masters is something you can't.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on April 02, 2021, 04:35:33 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on April 02, 2021, 04:35:33 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 02, 2021, 04:33:56 PMWhy not? Is Augusta that special?
I'd argue the venue is *the* Masters. You can play the World Series or Super Bowl in any one of 30 cities, whatever, it still works. The Masters is something you can't.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on April 02, 2021, 08:07:04 PM
Post by: Henry on April 02, 2021, 08:07:04 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 02, 2021, 04:20:11 PMAnd on top of that there are now calls for boycotts of all products made in GA, namely Coca-Cola, Delta Airlines and The Home Depot.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 02, 2021, 04:14:59 PMQuote from: LM117 on April 02, 2021, 04:08:26 PMDon't want to get too political but this seems similar to the situation in North Carolina with the bathrooms.
The All-Star game has been pulled from Atlanta.
https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game (https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game)
Just the beginning for Georgia. Atlanta is almost certainly out of the running for consideration for future Super Bowls, Final Fours or any other NCAA championship events. ACC may not allow GaTech to host any championship events.
Biggest question is whether a critical mass of golfers forces the Masters to move. Not this year since it's coming up so soon, but I can see it happening next year if things don't change before then.
Speaking of which, the Astros' ballpark has the name of a Coke product (Minute Maid) on it. Will this affect them in any way? (because it's the last thing they need, having been scrutinized for their alleged cheating over the past five years)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on April 02, 2021, 10:33:22 PM
Post by: CoreySamson on April 02, 2021, 10:33:22 PM
Quote from: Henry on April 02, 2021, 08:07:04 PMWow I thought Coke was already being boycotted by some on the other side of the political spectrum for different reasons. Does this strike anyone else as incredibly silly and spiteful?Quote from: cabiness42 on April 02, 2021, 04:20:11 PMAnd on top of that there are now calls for boycotts of all products made in GA, namely Coca-Cola, Delta Airlines and The Home Depot.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 02, 2021, 04:14:59 PMQuote from: LM117 on April 02, 2021, 04:08:26 PMDon't want to get too political but this seems similar to the situation in North Carolina with the bathrooms.
The All-Star game has been pulled from Atlanta.
https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game (https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game)
Just the beginning for Georgia. Atlanta is almost certainly out of the running for consideration for future Super Bowls, Final Fours or any other NCAA championship events. ACC may not allow GaTech to host any championship events.
Biggest question is whether a critical mass of golfers forces the Masters to move. Not this year since it's coming up so soon, but I can see it happening next year if things don't change before then.
Speaking of which, the Astros' ballpark has the name of a Coke product (Minute Maid) on it. Will this affect them in any way? (because it's the last thing they need, having been scrutinized for their alleged cheating over the past five years)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on April 03, 2021, 12:01:30 AM
Post by: mgk920 on April 03, 2021, 12:01:30 AM
Ahhhhh, The Mastersâ„¢ is the *property* of the Augusta National Golf Club. The two are inseparable and the Club can end it whenever they want. It was created, nurtured and tightly controlled by the ANGC and their membership since the 1930s.
Mike
Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on April 03, 2021, 12:04:07 AM
Post by: Alps on April 03, 2021, 12:04:07 AM
Quote from: CoreySamson on April 02, 2021, 10:33:22 PMIt's not Coke's fault that they're located in Georgia. You want them to up and move because their state passed a law you disagreed with? Yikes.Quote from: Henry on April 02, 2021, 08:07:04 PMWow I thought Coke was already being boycotted by some on the other side of the political spectrum for different reasons. Does this strike anyone else as incredibly silly and spiteful?Quote from: cabiness42 on April 02, 2021, 04:20:11 PMAnd on top of that there are now calls for boycotts of all products made in GA, namely Coca-Cola, Delta Airlines and The Home Depot.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 02, 2021, 04:14:59 PMQuote from: LM117 on April 02, 2021, 04:08:26 PMDon't want to get too political but this seems similar to the situation in North Carolina with the bathrooms.
The All-Star game has been pulled from Atlanta.
https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game (https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game)
Just the beginning for Georgia. Atlanta is almost certainly out of the running for consideration for future Super Bowls, Final Fours or any other NCAA championship events. ACC may not allow GaTech to host any championship events.
Biggest question is whether a critical mass of golfers forces the Masters to move. Not this year since it's coming up so soon, but I can see it happening next year if things don't change before then.
Speaking of which, the Astros' ballpark has the name of a Coke product (Minute Maid) on it. Will this affect them in any way? (because it's the last thing they need, having been scrutinized for their alleged cheating over the past five years)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: oscar on April 04, 2021, 01:53:25 AM
Post by: oscar on April 04, 2021, 01:53:25 AM
Quote from: Big John on April 02, 2021, 04:25:06 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on April 02, 2021, 04:20:11 PMI don't see the Masters moving under any circumstances.
Biggest question is whether a critical mass of golfers forces the Masters to move. Not this year since it's coming up so soon, but I can see it happening next year if things don't change before then.
I agree, for reasons noted by others. Also, the Augusta National club, which holds the Masters, held fast against boycott efforts in 2003 over its policy (since rescinded) against female members. It canceled TV sponsorships that year, but went forward with the tournament, and with televising the event without sponsors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masters_Tournament#United_States_television).
The PGA has also announced that it isn't moving its Tour Championship in Atlanta area, scheduled for August, as well as a parallel women's tour event also in Atlanta.
https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/31191183/pga-tour-responds-georgia-voting-law-not-moving-tour-championship
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: cwf1701 on April 04, 2021, 07:26:55 PM
Post by: cwf1701 on April 04, 2021, 07:26:55 PM
and What about the SEC Playoffs? Could the NCAA or College Football playoff Committee try to pressure Georgia by simply not ranking any SEC team in the top 10 if the SEC Playoffs stay in Atlanta? Consider the possibility of a 13-0 Alabama team not even making the playoffs because they played the championship game in Atlanta, could we see the "Woke" in Alabama rise up against the GA law, and those supporting the GA law boycott the playoffs?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on April 04, 2021, 07:59:32 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on April 04, 2021, 07:59:32 PM
Quote from: Alps on April 03, 2021, 12:04:07 AMThe reason why Coke is being boycotted by some is a controversial training video that was leaked out. I won't divulge the details in this forum.Quote from: CoreySamson on April 02, 2021, 10:33:22 PMIt's not Coke's fault that they're located in Georgia. You want them to up and move because their state passed a law you disagreed with? Yikes.Quote from: Henry on April 02, 2021, 08:07:04 PMWow I thought Coke was already being boycotted by some on the other side of the political spectrum for different reasons. Does this strike anyone else as incredibly silly and spiteful?Quote from: cabiness42 on April 02, 2021, 04:20:11 PMAnd on top of that there are now calls for boycotts of all products made in GA, namely Coca-Cola, Delta Airlines and The Home Depot.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 02, 2021, 04:14:59 PMQuote from: LM117 on April 02, 2021, 04:08:26 PMDon't want to get too political but this seems similar to the situation in North Carolina with the bathrooms.
The All-Star game has been pulled from Atlanta.
https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game (https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game)
Just the beginning for Georgia. Atlanta is almost certainly out of the running for consideration for future Super Bowls, Final Fours or any other NCAA championship events. ACC may not allow GaTech to host any championship events.
Biggest question is whether a critical mass of golfers forces the Masters to move. Not this year since it's coming up so soon, but I can see it happening next year if things don't change before then.
Speaking of which, the Astros' ballpark has the name of a Coke product (Minute Maid) on it. Will this affect them in any way? (because it's the last thing they need, having been scrutinized for their alleged cheating over the past five years)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on April 04, 2021, 10:34:13 PM
Post by: Alps on April 04, 2021, 10:34:13 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 04, 2021, 07:59:32 PMI was just going with the general "boycott anything in GA." I'll have to examine that separately.Quote from: Alps on April 03, 2021, 12:04:07 AMThe reason why Coke is being boycotted by some is a controversial training video that was leaked out. I won't divulge the details in this forum.Quote from: CoreySamson on April 02, 2021, 10:33:22 PMIt's not Coke's fault that they're located in Georgia. You want them to up and move because their state passed a law you disagreed with? Yikes.Quote from: Henry on April 02, 2021, 08:07:04 PMWow I thought Coke was already being boycotted by some on the other side of the political spectrum for different reasons. Does this strike anyone else as incredibly silly and spiteful?Quote from: cabiness42 on April 02, 2021, 04:20:11 PMAnd on top of that there are now calls for boycotts of all products made in GA, namely Coca-Cola, Delta Airlines and The Home Depot.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 02, 2021, 04:14:59 PMQuote from: LM117 on April 02, 2021, 04:08:26 PMDon't want to get too political but this seems similar to the situation in North Carolina with the bathrooms.
The All-Star game has been pulled from Atlanta.
https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game (https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game)
Just the beginning for Georgia. Atlanta is almost certainly out of the running for consideration for future Super Bowls, Final Fours or any other NCAA championship events. ACC may not allow GaTech to host any championship events.
Biggest question is whether a critical mass of golfers forces the Masters to move. Not this year since it's coming up so soon, but I can see it happening next year if things don't change before then.
Speaking of which, the Astros' ballpark has the name of a Coke product (Minute Maid) on it. Will this affect them in any way? (because it's the last thing they need, having been scrutinized for their alleged cheating over the past five years)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on April 06, 2021, 12:40:09 PM
Post by: Big John on April 06, 2021, 12:40:09 PM
The All Star game is now in Colorado.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on April 07, 2021, 09:26:37 AM
Post by: ET21 on April 07, 2021, 09:26:37 AM
Quote from: Big John on April 06, 2021, 12:40:09 PM
The All Star game is now in Colorado.
HR Derby is gonna be fun to watch
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: LM117 on April 08, 2021, 09:43:28 AM
Post by: LM117 on April 08, 2021, 09:43:28 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 02, 2021, 04:14:59 PMQuote from: LM117 on April 02, 2021, 04:08:26 PMDon't want to get too political but this seems similar to the situation in North Carolina with the bathrooms.
The All-Star game has been pulled from Atlanta.
https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game (https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-statement-regarding-2021-all-star-game)
Yep, and we know how that story ended...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 03, 2021, 04:50:10 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on May 03, 2021, 04:50:10 PM
The Detroit Tigers are the worst team in baseball and I couldn't be happier.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on May 04, 2021, 09:46:11 AM
Post by: Henry on May 04, 2021, 09:46:11 AM
And it looks like the Cubs are back to their old losing ways...ah well, it was fun while it lasted.
(We'll always cherish their recent glory years, especially 2016!)
(We'll always cherish their recent glory years, especially 2016!)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 04, 2021, 10:40:58 AM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 04, 2021, 10:40:58 AM
Quote from: Henry on May 04, 2021, 09:46:11 AMMaybe it will be 2124 when they win their next world series.
And it looks like the Cubs are back to their old losing ways...ah well, it was fun while it lasted.
(We'll always cherish their recent glory years, especially 2016!)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on May 12, 2021, 10:16:20 AM
Post by: Henry on May 12, 2021, 10:16:20 AM
The clock is now ticking for the A's: Either they get a new ballpark built in Oakland, or seek to relocate elsewhere, and chances are they'll follow the Raiders to Las Vegas.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 12, 2021, 10:17:15 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 12, 2021, 10:17:15 AM
Quote from: Henry on May 12, 2021, 10:16:20 AM
The clock is now ticking for the A's: Either they get a new ballpark built in Oakland, or seek to relocate elsewhere, and chances are they'll follow the Raiders to Las Vegas.
I don't think the A's can succeed in Vegas. I think their best bet is Montreal.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: rawmustard on May 12, 2021, 03:27:01 PM
Post by: rawmustard on May 12, 2021, 03:27:01 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 12, 2021, 10:17:15 AM
I don't think the A's can succeed in Vegas. I think their best bet is Montreal.
I don't think Montreal is clamoring for another MLB franchise. If the Aviators (coincidentally Oakland's Triple-A affiliate) draw significant numbers, it's not unreasonable MLB might want to tap that market. If they were to move to Canada and not be horribly misaligned, Vancouver would be a good option.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on May 12, 2021, 06:00:26 PM
Post by: Alps on May 12, 2021, 06:00:26 PM
Quote from: rawmustard on May 12, 2021, 03:27:01 PMI suggest this discussion continue in https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29306.0.Quote from: cabiness42 on May 12, 2021, 10:17:15 AM
I don't think the A's can succeed in Vegas. I think their best bet is Montreal.
I don't think Montreal is clamoring for another MLB franchise. If the Aviators (coincidentally Oakland's Triple-A affiliate) draw significant numbers, it's not unreasonable MLB might want to tap that market. If they were to move to Canada and not be horribly misaligned, Vancouver would be a good option.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on May 15, 2021, 12:38:11 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on May 15, 2021, 12:38:11 PM
Quote from: rawmustard on May 12, 2021, 03:27:01 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on May 12, 2021, 10:17:15 AM
I don't think the A's can succeed in Vegas. I think their best bet is Montreal.
I don't think Montreal is clamoring for another MLB franchise. If the Aviators (coincidentally Oakland's Triple-A affiliate) draw significant numbers, it's not unreasonable MLB might want to tap that market. If they were to move to Canada and not be horribly misaligned, Vancouver would be a good option.
In that case, they'd probably move to the AL East, Tampa Bay to the Central (to keep Toronto in the East with them), and KC to the West.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on May 17, 2021, 10:40:42 AM
Post by: Henry on May 17, 2021, 10:40:42 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 15, 2021, 12:38:11 PMOr Toronto could move to the Central instead of Tampa Bay.Quote from: rawmustard on May 12, 2021, 03:27:01 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on May 12, 2021, 10:17:15 AM
I don't think the A's can succeed in Vegas. I think their best bet is Montreal.
I don't think Montreal is clamoring for another MLB franchise. If the Aviators (coincidentally Oakland's Triple-A affiliate) draw significant numbers, it's not unreasonable MLB might want to tap that market. If they were to move to Canada and not be horribly misaligned, Vancouver would be a good option.
In that case, they'd probably move to the AL East, Tampa Bay to the Central (to keep Toronto in the East with them), and KC to the West.
On another note, although I'd love to see a team in Nashville, I think Memphis deserves one too.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 17, 2021, 10:42:32 AM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 17, 2021, 10:42:32 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 15, 2021, 12:38:11 PMTampa Bay in the central would be so wonky, Toronto is more inland than Tampa Bay.Quote from: rawmustard on May 12, 2021, 03:27:01 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on May 12, 2021, 10:17:15 AM
I don't think the A's can succeed in Vegas. I think their best bet is Montreal.
I don't think Montreal is clamoring for another MLB franchise. If the Aviators (coincidentally Oakland's Triple-A affiliate) draw significant numbers, it's not unreasonable MLB might want to tap that market. If they were to move to Canada and not be horribly misaligned, Vancouver would be a good option.
In that case, they'd probably move to the AL East, Tampa Bay to the Central (to keep Toronto in the East with them), and KC to the West.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on May 17, 2021, 04:38:44 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on May 17, 2021, 04:38:44 PM
Ah screw the Braves; they don't get ALL of Dixie. It's not 1995. Move the A's to Charlotte or Nashville.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 17, 2021, 05:13:51 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 17, 2021, 05:13:51 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 17, 2021, 04:38:44 PMThe MLB should have 2 expansion teams so they have 32 like the NFL and NHL.
Ah screw the Braves; they don't get ALL of Dixie. It's not 1995. Move the A's to Charlotte or Nashville.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on May 21, 2021, 12:24:59 AM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on May 21, 2021, 12:24:59 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 17, 2021, 10:42:32 AMQuote from: jp the roadgeek on May 15, 2021, 12:38:11 PMTampa Bay in the central would be so wonky, Toronto is more inland than Tampa Bay.Quote from: rawmustard on May 12, 2021, 03:27:01 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on May 12, 2021, 10:17:15 AM
I don't think the A's can succeed in Vegas. I think their best bet is Montreal.
I don't think Montreal is clamoring for another MLB franchise. If the Aviators (coincidentally Oakland's Triple-A affiliate) draw significant numbers, it's not unreasonable MLB might want to tap that market. If they were to move to Canada and not be horribly misaligned, Vancouver would be a good option.
In that case, they'd probably move to the AL East, Tampa Bay to the Central (to keep Toronto in the East with them), and KC to the West.
Actually, Toronto (79° W) is farther east than St Pete (82° W). And the Lightning are in the NHL Central Division this year.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on May 21, 2021, 05:53:11 AM
Post by: ilpt4u on May 21, 2021, 05:53:11 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 21, 2021, 12:24:59 AMWhile true, the AL Central is basically a Great Lakes Division, with Minnesota/Twin Cities, Chicago, Detroit, and Cleveland (Kansas City being the Outlier, anyway) - dumping KC and adding Toronto, heck might even rename the Division either the AL North or the AL Great Lakes over the AL Central at that point, and it could/would be a logical, geographical Division
Actually, Toronto (79° W) is farther east than St Pete (82° W). And the Lightning are in the NHL Central Division this year.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 21, 2021, 07:21:33 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 21, 2021, 07:21:33 AM
Toronto would make the most sense to move to the AL Central, given their proximity to the rest of the division, especially Cleveland and Detroit. Plus, there are a large number of retired Yankees and Red Sox fans in Florida so Tampa Bay isn't going to want to lose those home series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 21, 2021, 10:24:12 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on May 21, 2021, 10:24:12 AM
Since this is baseball can I start a get rid of Tony LaRussa rant?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 21, 2021, 10:27:03 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on May 21, 2021, 10:27:03 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 17, 2021, 05:13:51 PMMLB doesn't need anymore expansion. The talent level in MLB is already thinned out enough and the season is already long enough.Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 17, 2021, 04:38:44 PMThe MLB should have 2 expansion teams so they have 32 like the NFL and NHL.
Ah screw the Braves; they don't get ALL of Dixie. It's not 1995. Move the A's to Charlotte or Nashville.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on May 21, 2021, 10:28:48 AM
Post by: Henry on May 21, 2021, 10:28:48 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 21, 2021, 12:24:59 AMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on May 17, 2021, 10:42:32 AMQuote from: jp the roadgeek on May 15, 2021, 12:38:11 PMTampa Bay in the central would be so wonky, Toronto is more inland than Tampa Bay.Quote from: rawmustard on May 12, 2021, 03:27:01 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on May 12, 2021, 10:17:15 AM
I don't think the A's can succeed in Vegas. I think their best bet is Montreal.
I don't think Montreal is clamoring for another MLB franchise. If the Aviators (coincidentally Oakland's Triple-A affiliate) draw significant numbers, it's not unreasonable MLB might want to tap that market. If they were to move to Canada and not be horribly misaligned, Vancouver would be a good option.
In that case, they'd probably move to the AL East, Tampa Bay to the Central (to keep Toronto in the East with them), and KC to the West.
Actually, Toronto (79° W) is farther east than St Pete (82° W). And the Lightning are in the NHL Central Division this year.
Quote from: ilpt4u on May 21, 2021, 05:53:11 AMQuote from: jp the roadgeek on May 21, 2021, 12:24:59 AMWhile true, the AL Central is basically a Great Lakes Division, with Minnesota/Twin Cities, Chicago, Detroit, and Cleveland (Kansas City being the Outlier, anyway) - dumping KC and adding Toronto, heck might even rename the Division either the AL North or the AL Great Lakes over the AL Central at that point, and it could/would be a logical, geographical Division
Actually, Toronto (79° W) is farther east than St Pete (82° W). And the Lightning are in the NHL Central Division this year.
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2021, 07:21:33 AMRemember when the NL had the same problem years ago when there were only two divisions per league? It had Chicago and St. Louis in the East, but Atlanta and Cincinnati in the West. I wonder why that was...
Toronto would make the most sense to move to the AL Central, given their proximity to the rest of the division, especially Cleveland and Detroit. Plus, there are a large number of retired Yankees and Red Sox fans in Florida so Tampa Bay isn't going to want to lose those home series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 21, 2021, 10:48:24 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on May 21, 2021, 10:48:24 AM
Quote from: Henry on May 21, 2021, 10:28:48 AMYeah and over on the AL side you had the White Sox in the AL West while the Cubs were in the NL East.Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 21, 2021, 12:24:59 AMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on May 17, 2021, 10:42:32 AMQuote from: jp the roadgeek on May 15, 2021, 12:38:11 PMTampa Bay in the central would be so wonky, Toronto is more inland than Tampa Bay.Quote from: rawmustard on May 12, 2021, 03:27:01 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on May 12, 2021, 10:17:15 AM
I don't think the A's can succeed in Vegas. I think their best bet is Montreal.
I don't think Montreal is clamoring for another MLB franchise. If the Aviators (coincidentally Oakland's Triple-A affiliate) draw significant numbers, it's not unreasonable MLB might want to tap that market. If they were to move to Canada and not be horribly misaligned, Vancouver would be a good option.
In that case, they'd probably move to the AL East, Tampa Bay to the Central (to keep Toronto in the East with them), and KC to the West.
Actually, Toronto (79° W) is farther east than St Pete (82° W). And the Lightning are in the NHL Central Division this year.Quote from: ilpt4u on May 21, 2021, 05:53:11 AMQuote from: jp the roadgeek on May 21, 2021, 12:24:59 AMWhile true, the AL Central is basically a Great Lakes Division, with Minnesota/Twin Cities, Chicago, Detroit, and Cleveland (Kansas City being the Outlier, anyway) - dumping KC and adding Toronto, heck might even rename the Division either the AL North or the AL Great Lakes over the AL Central at that point, and it could/would be a logical, geographical Division
Actually, Toronto (79° W) is farther east than St Pete (82° W). And the Lightning are in the NHL Central Division this year.Quote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2021, 07:21:33 AMRemember when the NL had the same problem years ago when there were only two divisions per league? It had Chicago and St. Louis in the East, but Atlanta and Cincinnati in the West. I wonder why that was...
Toronto would make the most sense to move to the AL Central, given their proximity to the rest of the division, especially Cleveland and Detroit. Plus, there are a large number of retired Yankees and Red Sox fans in Florida so Tampa Bay isn't going to want to lose those home series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2021, 11:38:32 AM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2021, 11:38:32 AM
Quote from: Henry on May 21, 2021, 10:28:48 AMSt. Louis and Chicago had more clout to stay in the east.Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 21, 2021, 12:24:59 AMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on May 17, 2021, 10:42:32 AMQuote from: jp the roadgeek on May 15, 2021, 12:38:11 PMTampa Bay in the central would be so wonky, Toronto is more inland than Tampa Bay.Quote from: rawmustard on May 12, 2021, 03:27:01 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on May 12, 2021, 10:17:15 AM
I don't think the A's can succeed in Vegas. I think their best bet is Montreal.
I don't think Montreal is clamoring for another MLB franchise. If the Aviators (coincidentally Oakland's Triple-A affiliate) draw significant numbers, it's not unreasonable MLB might want to tap that market. If they were to move to Canada and not be horribly misaligned, Vancouver would be a good option.
In that case, they'd probably move to the AL East, Tampa Bay to the Central (to keep Toronto in the East with them), and KC to the West.
Actually, Toronto (79° W) is farther east than St Pete (82° W). And the Lightning are in the NHL Central Division this year.Quote from: ilpt4u on May 21, 2021, 05:53:11 AMQuote from: jp the roadgeek on May 21, 2021, 12:24:59 AMWhile true, the AL Central is basically a Great Lakes Division, with Minnesota/Twin Cities, Chicago, Detroit, and Cleveland (Kansas City being the Outlier, anyway) - dumping KC and adding Toronto, heck might even rename the Division either the AL North or the AL Great Lakes over the AL Central at that point, and it could/would be a logical, geographical Division
Actually, Toronto (79° W) is farther east than St Pete (82° W). And the Lightning are in the NHL Central Division this year.Quote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2021, 07:21:33 AMRemember when the NL had the same problem years ago when there were only two divisions per league? It had Chicago and St. Louis in the East, but Atlanta and Cincinnati in the West. I wonder why that was...
Toronto would make the most sense to move to the AL Central, given their proximity to the rest of the division, especially Cleveland and Detroit. Plus, there are a large number of retired Yankees and Red Sox fans in Florida so Tampa Bay isn't going to want to lose those home series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 21, 2021, 11:51:42 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 21, 2021, 11:51:42 AM
Quote from: Henry on May 21, 2021, 10:28:48 AM
Remember when the NL had the same problem years ago when there were only two divisions per league? It had Chicago and St. Louis in the East, but Atlanta and Cincinnati in the West. I wonder why that was...
The Cubs and Cardinals pushed hard to be put in the East because they wanted more games in the big media markets of NY and Philly. MLB agreed partly because those two and the Giants were the dominant NL teams of the time and this avoided having all three in the same division.
In 1972, when the (2nd) Washington Senators moved to Texas, Milwaukee got to switch from West to East instead of the White Sox despite the Sox being a bit farther east (and wanting more games against traditional rivals in NY, Cle and Det.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2021, 12:49:04 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2021, 12:49:04 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2021, 11:51:42 AMWhy did they choose Milwaukee to move east?Quote from: Henry on May 21, 2021, 10:28:48 AM
Remember when the NL had the same problem years ago when there were only two divisions per league? It had Chicago and St. Louis in the East, but Atlanta and Cincinnati in the West. I wonder why that was...
The Cubs and Cardinals pushed hard to be put in the East because they wanted more games in the big media markets of NY and Philly. MLB agreed partly because those two and the Giants were the dominant NL teams of the time and this avoided having all three in the same division.
In 1972, when the (2nd) Washington Senators moved to Texas, Milwaukee got to switch from West to East instead of the White Sox despite the Sox being a bit farther east (and wanting more games against traditional rivals in NY, Cle and Det.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 21, 2021, 01:05:16 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 21, 2021, 01:05:16 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2021, 12:49:04 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2021, 11:51:42 AMWhy did they choose Milwaukee to move east?Quote from: Henry on May 21, 2021, 10:28:48 AM
Remember when the NL had the same problem years ago when there were only two divisions per league? It had Chicago and St. Louis in the East, but Atlanta and Cincinnati in the West. I wonder why that was...
The Cubs and Cardinals pushed hard to be put in the East because they wanted more games in the big media markets of NY and Philly. MLB agreed partly because those two and the Giants were the dominant NL teams of the time and this avoided having all three in the same division.
In 1972, when the (2nd) Washington Senators moved to Texas, Milwaukee got to switch from West to East instead of the White Sox despite the Sox being a bit farther east (and wanting more games against traditional rivals in NY, Cle and Det.
I haven't been able to find anything definitive as to the reason. Generally, ownership of the teams and how well-liked they are by the rest of the league has an impact.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on May 21, 2021, 01:23:02 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on May 21, 2021, 01:23:02 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2021, 01:05:16 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2021, 12:49:04 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2021, 11:51:42 AMWhy did they choose Milwaukee to move east?Quote from: Henry on May 21, 2021, 10:28:48 AM
Remember when the NL had the same problem years ago when there were only two divisions per league? It had Chicago and St. Louis in the East, but Atlanta and Cincinnati in the West. I wonder why that was...
The Cubs and Cardinals pushed hard to be put in the East because they wanted more games in the big media markets of NY and Philly. MLB agreed partly because those two and the Giants were the dominant NL teams of the time and this avoided having all three in the same division.
In 1972, when the (2nd) Washington Senators moved to Texas, Milwaukee got to switch from West to East instead of the White Sox despite the Sox being a bit farther east (and wanting more games against traditional rivals in NY, Cle and Det.
I haven't been able to find anything definitive as to the reason. Generally, ownership of the teams and how well-liked they are by the rest of the league has an impact.
Perhaps because Milwaukee was a relatively new team (only had started in 1969 as the Seattle Pilots), while the White Sox were a charter member of the AL.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2021, 02:12:35 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2021, 02:12:35 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 21, 2021, 01:23:02 PMBut isn't the east more advantageous because of rivals and travel?Quote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2021, 01:05:16 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2021, 12:49:04 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2021, 11:51:42 AMWhy did they choose Milwaukee to move east?Quote from: Henry on May 21, 2021, 10:28:48 AM
Remember when the NL had the same problem years ago when there were only two divisions per league? It had Chicago and St. Louis in the East, but Atlanta and Cincinnati in the West. I wonder why that was...
The Cubs and Cardinals pushed hard to be put in the East because they wanted more games in the big media markets of NY and Philly. MLB agreed partly because those two and the Giants were the dominant NL teams of the time and this avoided having all three in the same division.
In 1972, when the (2nd) Washington Senators moved to Texas, Milwaukee got to switch from West to East instead of the White Sox despite the Sox being a bit farther east (and wanting more games against traditional rivals in NY, Cle and Det.
I haven't been able to find anything definitive as to the reason. Generally, ownership of the teams and how well-liked they are by the rest of the league has an impact.
Perhaps because Milwaukee was a relatively new team (only had started in 1969 as the Seattle Pilots), while the White Sox were a charter member of the AL.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 21, 2021, 05:23:24 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 21, 2021, 05:23:24 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2021, 02:12:35 PMQuote from: jp the roadgeek on May 21, 2021, 01:23:02 PMBut isn't the east more advantageous because of rivals and travel?Quote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2021, 01:05:16 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2021, 12:49:04 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2021, 11:51:42 AMWhy did they choose Milwaukee to move east?Quote from: Henry on May 21, 2021, 10:28:48 AM
Remember when the NL had the same problem years ago when there were only two divisions per league? It had Chicago and St. Louis in the East, but Atlanta and Cincinnati in the West. I wonder why that was...
The Cubs and Cardinals pushed hard to be put in the East because they wanted more games in the big media markets of NY and Philly. MLB agreed partly because those two and the Giants were the dominant NL teams of the time and this avoided having all three in the same division.
In 1972, when the (2nd) Washington Senators moved to Texas, Milwaukee got to switch from West to East instead of the White Sox despite the Sox being a bit farther east (and wanting more games against traditional rivals in NY, Cle and Det.
I haven't been able to find anything definitive as to the reason. Generally, ownership of the teams and how well-liked they are by the rest of the league has an impact.
Perhaps because Milwaukee was a relatively new team (only had started in 1969 as the Seattle Pilots), while the White Sox were a charter member of the AL.
Yes, the East was more advantageous due to travel and exposure. The new team got that benefit over the more established team. That's what makes me think perhaps the rest of the owners may have had something against the Sox ownership.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 21, 2021, 06:09:01 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on May 21, 2021, 06:09:01 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2021, 05:23:24 PMThat was when the Allyn's owned the team. No idea what happened there.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2021, 02:12:35 PMQuote from: jp the roadgeek on May 21, 2021, 01:23:02 PMBut isn't the east more advantageous because of rivals and travel?Quote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2021, 01:05:16 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2021, 12:49:04 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2021, 11:51:42 AMWhy did they choose Milwaukee to move east?Quote from: Henry on May 21, 2021, 10:28:48 AM
Remember when the NL had the same problem years ago when there were only two divisions per league? It had Chicago and St. Louis in the East, but Atlanta and Cincinnati in the West. I wonder why that was...
The Cubs and Cardinals pushed hard to be put in the East because they wanted more games in the big media markets of NY and Philly. MLB agreed partly because those two and the Giants were the dominant NL teams of the time and this avoided having all three in the same division.
In 1972, when the (2nd) Washington Senators moved to Texas, Milwaukee got to switch from West to East instead of the White Sox despite the Sox being a bit farther east (and wanting more games against traditional rivals in NY, Cle and Det.
I haven't been able to find anything definitive as to the reason. Generally, ownership of the teams and how well-liked they are by the rest of the league has an impact.
Perhaps because Milwaukee was a relatively new team (only had started in 1969 as the Seattle Pilots), while the White Sox were a charter member of the AL.
Yes, the East was more advantageous due to travel and exposure. The new team got that benefit over the more established team. That's what makes me think perhaps the rest of the owners may have had something against the Sox ownership.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on May 21, 2021, 10:59:30 PM
Post by: Alps on May 21, 2021, 10:59:30 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 21, 2021, 10:24:12 AMPlease, that's better than endless debate about Fictional Relocations.
Since this is baseball can I start a get rid of Tony LaRussa rant?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on May 22, 2021, 02:56:42 AM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on May 22, 2021, 02:56:42 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 21, 2021, 06:09:01 PMThe Allyn's owned the White Sox, but the Cubs were the one with the curse of the goat.Quote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2021, 05:23:24 PMThat was when the Allyn's owned the team. No idea what happened there.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2021, 02:12:35 PMQuote from: jp the roadgeek on May 21, 2021, 01:23:02 PMBut isn't the east more advantageous because of rivals and travel?Quote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2021, 01:05:16 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2021, 12:49:04 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2021, 11:51:42 AMWhy did they choose Milwaukee to move east?Quote from: Henry on May 21, 2021, 10:28:48 AM
Remember when the NL had the same problem years ago when there were only two divisions per league? It had Chicago and St. Louis in the East, but Atlanta and Cincinnati in the West. I wonder why that was...
The Cubs and Cardinals pushed hard to be put in the East because they wanted more games in the big media markets of NY and Philly. MLB agreed partly because those two and the Giants were the dominant NL teams of the time and this avoided having all three in the same division.
In 1972, when the (2nd) Washington Senators moved to Texas, Milwaukee got to switch from West to East instead of the White Sox despite the Sox being a bit farther east (and wanting more games against traditional rivals in NY, Cle and Det.
I haven't been able to find anything definitive as to the reason. Generally, ownership of the teams and how well-liked they are by the rest of the league has an impact.
Perhaps because Milwaukee was a relatively new team (only had started in 1969 as the Seattle Pilots), while the White Sox were a charter member of the AL.
Yes, the East was more advantageous due to travel and exposure. The new team got that benefit over the more established team. That's what makes me think perhaps the rest of the owners may have had something against the Sox ownership.
But that was around the time Veeck bought the team and almost moved them to Tampa Bay.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 22, 2021, 09:59:04 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on May 22, 2021, 09:59:04 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 22, 2021, 02:56:42 AMI'm pretty sure Veeck wanted to keep the team in Chicago and it was Reinsdorf that almost moved them to Tampa Bay all over getting a new stadium. Yeah sure the old ballpark was small and falling apart but it was a shrine. I think it's interesting that the White Sox have played in the same neighborhood for their entire existence. The ballpark they first played in was south of the current ballpark where Wentworth Gardens is at.Quote from: Flint1979 on May 21, 2021, 06:09:01 PMThe Allyn's owned the White Sox, but the Cubs were the one with the curse of the goat.Quote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2021, 05:23:24 PMThat was when the Allyn's owned the team. No idea what happened there.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2021, 02:12:35 PMQuote from: jp the roadgeek on May 21, 2021, 01:23:02 PMBut isn't the east more advantageous because of rivals and travel?Quote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2021, 01:05:16 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2021, 12:49:04 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2021, 11:51:42 AMWhy did they choose Milwaukee to move east?Quote from: Henry on May 21, 2021, 10:28:48 AM
Remember when the NL had the same problem years ago when there were only two divisions per league? It had Chicago and St. Louis in the East, but Atlanta and Cincinnati in the West. I wonder why that was...
The Cubs and Cardinals pushed hard to be put in the East because they wanted more games in the big media markets of NY and Philly. MLB agreed partly because those two and the Giants were the dominant NL teams of the time and this avoided having all three in the same division.
In 1972, when the (2nd) Washington Senators moved to Texas, Milwaukee got to switch from West to East instead of the White Sox despite the Sox being a bit farther east (and wanting more games against traditional rivals in NY, Cle and Det.
I haven't been able to find anything definitive as to the reason. Generally, ownership of the teams and how well-liked they are by the rest of the league has an impact.
Perhaps because Milwaukee was a relatively new team (only had started in 1969 as the Seattle Pilots), while the White Sox were a charter member of the AL.
Yes, the East was more advantageous due to travel and exposure. The new team got that benefit over the more established team. That's what makes me think perhaps the rest of the owners may have had something against the Sox ownership.
But that was around the time Veeck bought the team and almost moved them to Tampa Bay.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 22, 2021, 10:07:20 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on May 22, 2021, 10:07:20 AM
Well Tony LaRussa is totally out of touch with the game today. Up until this year he hadn't managed in a decade and it's typical Jerry Reinsdorf hiring his friends and putting them in positions they shouldn't be in. LaRussa should have stayed retired it's ridiculous the guy is 76 years old and totally out of touch with the roster. Making a big deal about Mercedes swinging on a 3-0 pitch against a position player for the Twinkies was ridiculous. The Twins are a division rival they aren't anyone we need to respect and they certainly don't respect anyone else. But oh we're up 15-4 and the Twinks put a position player in to pitch and Mercedes works it to 3-0 and then swings and hits a home run and what's LaRussa doing? He's standing on the field shaking his head all because Mercedes missed a sign or something because Tony had the take sign on but so freaking what? The guy gets paid to hit home runs and has been one of the most exciting players in the game this season so far. Screw Tony LaRussa, bring Hawk Harrelson back and let him fire him again.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 22, 2021, 10:57:01 AM
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 22, 2021, 10:57:01 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 22, 2021, 10:07:20 AM
Well Tony LaRussa is totally out of touch with the game today. Up until this year he hadn't managed in a decade and it's typical Jerry Reinsdorf hiring his friends and putting them in positions they shouldn't be in. LaRussa should have stayed retired it's ridiculous the guy is 76 years old and totally out of touch with the roster. Making a big deal about Mercedes swinging on a 3-0 pitch against a position player for the Twinkies was ridiculous. The Twins are a division rival they aren't anyone we need to respect and they certainly don't respect anyone else. But oh we're up 15-4 and the Twinks put a position player in to pitch and Mercedes works it to 3-0 and then swings and hits a home run and what's LaRussa doing? He's standing on the field shaking his head all because Mercedes missed a sign or something because Tony had the take sign on but so freaking what? The guy gets paid to hit home runs and has been one of the most exciting players in the game this season so far. Screw Tony LaRussa, bring Hawk Harrelson back and let him fire him again.
And if he hit a grounder to thr 2nd baseman?
Yes, he got fortunate. But he still ignored the coach.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 22, 2021, 12:26:39 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on May 22, 2021, 12:26:39 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 22, 2021, 10:57:01 AMThe pitcher was in the middle of his windup when he got the sign can't blame him for not seeing the sign at that point.Quote from: Flint1979 on May 22, 2021, 10:07:20 AM
Well Tony LaRussa is totally out of touch with the game today. Up until this year he hadn't managed in a decade and it's typical Jerry Reinsdorf hiring his friends and putting them in positions they shouldn't be in. LaRussa should have stayed retired it's ridiculous the guy is 76 years old and totally out of touch with the roster. Making a big deal about Mercedes swinging on a 3-0 pitch against a position player for the Twinkies was ridiculous. The Twins are a division rival they aren't anyone we need to respect and they certainly don't respect anyone else. But oh we're up 15-4 and the Twinks put a position player in to pitch and Mercedes works it to 3-0 and then swings and hits a home run and what's LaRussa doing? He's standing on the field shaking his head all because Mercedes missed a sign or something because Tony had the take sign on but so freaking what? The guy gets paid to hit home runs and has been one of the most exciting players in the game this season so far. Screw Tony LaRussa, bring Hawk Harrelson back and let him fire him again.
And if he hit a grounder to thr 2nd baseman?
Yes, he got fortunate. But he still ignored the coach.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 22, 2021, 12:28:45 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on May 22, 2021, 12:28:45 PM
And another thing Tony wants to complain about the unwritten rules of the game and up until 2 weeks ago or so a game in Cincinnati that the White Sox lost 1-0 he didn't know the rule regarding the runner on second base to start extra innings so I don't want to hear it from him about the unwritten rules of the game.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: US 89 on May 22, 2021, 04:25:47 PM
Post by: US 89 on May 22, 2021, 04:25:47 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 22, 2021, 12:28:45 PM
the rule regarding the runner on second base to start extra innings
I would accept universal DH if it meant we could get rid of that rule.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 22, 2021, 06:21:56 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on May 22, 2021, 06:21:56 PM
Quote from: US 89 on May 22, 2021, 04:25:47 PMYeah it's a really dumb rule. And I'd be fine with both leagues having the DH it would sort of any mess of having the pitcher running the bases. I bet all the DH was made for was to extend players careers.Quote from: Flint1979 on May 22, 2021, 12:28:45 PM
the rule regarding the runner on second base to start extra innings
I would accept universal DH if it meant we could get rid of that rule.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 22, 2021, 10:47:54 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 22, 2021, 10:47:54 PM
Quote from: US 89 on May 22, 2021, 04:25:47 PMDH is fine, runner on second is awful.Quote from: Flint1979 on May 22, 2021, 12:28:45 PM
the rule regarding the runner on second base to start extra innings
I would accept universal DH if it meant we could get rid of that rule.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 23, 2021, 01:47:29 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on May 23, 2021, 01:47:29 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 22, 2021, 10:47:54 PMFans of American League teams don't mind the DH now but fans of the national league teams are usually opposed against it.Quote from: US 89 on May 22, 2021, 04:25:47 PMDH is fine, runner on second is awful.Quote from: Flint1979 on May 22, 2021, 12:28:45 PM
the rule regarding the runner on second base to start extra innings
I would accept universal DH if it meant we could get rid of that rule.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 23, 2021, 01:51:55 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 23, 2021, 01:51:55 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 23, 2021, 01:47:29 PMDavid Ortiz couldn't have played as long in the NL.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 22, 2021, 10:47:54 PMFans of American League teams don't mind the DH now but fans of the national league teams are usually opposed against it.Quote from: US 89 on May 22, 2021, 04:25:47 PMDH is fine, runner on second is awful.Quote from: Flint1979 on May 22, 2021, 12:28:45 PM
the rule regarding the runner on second base to start extra innings
I would accept universal DH if it meant we could get rid of that rule.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on May 23, 2021, 03:08:57 PM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on May 23, 2021, 03:08:57 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 23, 2021, 01:51:55 PM
David Ortiz couldn't have played as long in the NL.
Which is exactly why the NL fan pipe dream of the death of the DH will never happen - it creates more job opportunities for players.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 23, 2021, 10:25:48 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on May 23, 2021, 10:25:48 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 23, 2021, 01:51:55 PMProbably not.Quote from: Flint1979 on May 23, 2021, 01:47:29 PMDavid Ortiz couldn't have played as long in the NL.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 22, 2021, 10:47:54 PMFans of American League teams don't mind the DH now but fans of the national league teams are usually opposed against it.Quote from: US 89 on May 22, 2021, 04:25:47 PMDH is fine, runner on second is awful.Quote from: Flint1979 on May 22, 2021, 12:28:45 PM
the rule regarding the runner on second base to start extra innings
I would accept universal DH if it meant we could get rid of that rule.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 24, 2021, 07:25:40 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 24, 2021, 07:25:40 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 22, 2021, 10:47:54 PMQuote from: US 89 on May 22, 2021, 04:25:47 PMDH is fine, runner on second is awful.Quote from: Flint1979 on May 22, 2021, 12:28:45 PM
the rule regarding the runner on second base to start extra innings
I would accept universal DH if it meant we could get rid of that rule.
Here's the problem-the number of pitches per plate appearance has gone up quite a bit. This is requiring more pitchers to get through games. No team wants to have to cover 14-15 innings worth of pitchers in a game. It's why teams like the 7 inning doubleheaders. It's also why there is beginning to be discussion of having some kind of run-rule that can end a game early.
Where things get stuck is that there's no really good way to limit the number of pitches in a game. The runner on 2nd is being used now and that has been successful in avoiding the 13+ inning games but nobody likes it. You could just have ties after 10 innings and in a 162 game season the teams probably wouldn't mind but there are a lot of families that only go to one game per year and that would be an unsatisfying result for them. There are more extreme ideas to reduce pitch counts such as having a 3rd foul ball after 2 strikes be strike 3, but I don't see that happening either.
Teams want to find a way to reduce the overall pitch counts in games and haven't found the right answer yet.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on May 24, 2021, 07:30:54 AM
Post by: hotdogPi on May 24, 2021, 07:30:54 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 24, 2021, 07:25:40 AMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on May 22, 2021, 10:47:54 PMQuote from: US 89 on May 22, 2021, 04:25:47 PMDH is fine, runner on second is awful.Quote from: Flint1979 on May 22, 2021, 12:28:45 PM
the rule regarding the runner on second base to start extra innings
I would accept universal DH if it meant we could get rid of that rule.
Here's the problem-the number of pitches per plate appearance has gone up quite a bit. This is requiring more pitchers to get through games. No team wants to have to cover 14-15 innings worth of pitchers in a game. It's why teams like the 7 inning doubleheaders. It's also why there is beginning to be discussion of having some kind of run-rule that can end a game early.
Where things get stuck is that there's no really good way to limit the number of pitches in a game. The runner on 2nd is being used now and that has been successful in avoiding the 13+ inning games but nobody likes it. You could just have ties after 10 innings and in a 162 game season the teams probably wouldn't mind but there are a lot of families that only go to one game per year and that would be an unsatisfying result for them. There are more extreme ideas to reduce pitch counts such as having a 3rd foul ball after 2 strikes be strike 3, but I don't see that happening either.
Teams want to find a way to reduce the overall pitch counts in games and haven't found the right answer yet.
My suggestion: after 9 innings, if it's tied, the team that made their last run earlier wins, as measured by inning number and number of outs. For example, if the Fargo Bankers scored in the top of the 8th with 2 outs, and the Denver Omelettes scored in the bottom of the 8th with no outs, the Denver Omelettes would win despite being physically later. The game would continue if the inning and number of outs match or if it's still 0-0.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: texaskdog on May 24, 2021, 07:37:04 AM
Post by: texaskdog on May 24, 2021, 07:37:04 AM
I don't understand the pitch count obsession.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 24, 2021, 07:45:11 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 24, 2021, 07:45:11 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 24, 2021, 07:37:04 AM
I don't understand the pitch count obsession.
Modern pitching puts a lot of stress on the arm, and injuries are mitigated by limiting pitch counts. At the same time, batters are seeing more pitches per plate appearance, so teams need more pitchers to finish games. 30 years ago, 10 pitchers on a roster was standard and 11 was a lot. Today pretty much every team carries 13 pitchers. Teams don't want to get to the point where they need 14-15 pitchers on a roster.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 24, 2021, 11:02:44 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on May 24, 2021, 11:02:44 AM
I'm on board with my fellow White Sox fans regarding Tony LaRussa. He is washed up as far as baseball goes and he has a drinking problem too. He's going to end up being a distraction for the team.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 24, 2021, 11:03:36 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on May 24, 2021, 11:03:36 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 24, 2021, 07:37:04 AMIt probably has to do with the money that they have invested into these pitcher's.
I don't understand the pitch count obsession.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on June 04, 2021, 08:07:00 PM
Post by: Henry on June 04, 2021, 08:07:00 PM
Looks like the Cleveland Baseball Team will have a new name sooner than later, per this report:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31559657/cleveland-indians-narrowing-vetting-final-list-new-names
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31559657/cleveland-indians-narrowing-vetting-final-list-new-names
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on June 06, 2021, 06:57:20 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on June 06, 2021, 06:57:20 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 24, 2021, 07:37:04 AM
I don't understand the pitch count obsession.
See also: NBA load management. Of course, those pitch counts go out the window come October, plus you'll see starters come in in relief if necessary (a starter has got the final out of 3 of the past 4 World Series).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on June 06, 2021, 07:19:10 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on June 06, 2021, 07:19:10 PM
Couldn't be happier right now took 3 out of 4 from the Tigers, wish it would have been a sweep but I'll take 3 out of 4 right now and riding first place in the AL Central.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: thspfc on June 06, 2021, 09:15:53 PM
Post by: thspfc on June 06, 2021, 09:15:53 PM
Another thing MLB needs to do to save the sport: facemasks for batters.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fsjlWED4rtw
No reason why that should be happening.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fsjlWED4rtw
No reason why that should be happening.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 07, 2021, 07:44:36 AM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 07, 2021, 07:44:36 AM
It reminds me when some hockey players received the puck right in the face and most of them now wear eyeshields and it also reminds me of the ending of Tex Avery's short "Batty Baseball".
https://youtu.be/8QuRJTlszVc?t=150
https://youtu.be/8QuRJTlszVc?t=150
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on June 20, 2021, 05:56:36 PM
Post by: CoreySamson on June 20, 2021, 05:56:36 PM
Wow Astros sweep the White Sox rather convincingly (outscoring them 27-8) and take first place in the AL West back from the Athletics. They are on a 7-game winning streak, and I don't see that stopping anytime soon with the Orioles and Tigers up next.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 20, 2021, 06:40:17 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 20, 2021, 06:40:17 PM
Quote from: Henry on June 04, 2021, 08:07:00 PM
Looks like the Cleveland Baseball Team will have a new name sooner than later, per this report:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31559657/cleveland-indians-narrowing-vetting-final-list-new-names
If they choose Avengers, I wonder if Marvel comics will ask for royalties for the use of trademark name? ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on June 20, 2021, 08:11:27 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on June 20, 2021, 08:11:27 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on June 20, 2021, 05:56:36 PMYeah I have no idea how the Sox just failed to show up this series.
Wow Astros sweep the White Sox rather convincingly (outscoring them 27-8) and take first place in the AL West back from the Athletics. They are on a 7-game winning streak, and I don't see that stopping anytime soon with the Orioles and Tigers up next.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on June 21, 2021, 08:00:51 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on June 21, 2021, 08:00:51 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on June 20, 2021, 08:11:27 PMQuote from: CoreySamson on June 20, 2021, 05:56:36 PMYeah I have no idea how the Sox just failed to show up this series.
Wow Astros sweep the White Sox rather convincingly (outscoring them 27-8) and take first place in the AL West back from the Athletics. They are on a 7-game winning streak, and I don't see that stopping anytime soon with the Orioles and Tigers up next.
Houston is the hottest team in baseball right now, playing at home, and the White Sox are missing 4 of their starting position players, with 2 more in slumps right now.
White Sox have a run of games against bad teams from now through the All-Star break so I'm not worried.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on June 21, 2021, 08:10:42 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on June 21, 2021, 08:10:42 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 21, 2021, 08:00:51 AMI'm not too worried about this they went to the Bronx and got swept by the Yankees earlier in the year tooQuote from: Flint1979 on June 20, 2021, 08:11:27 PMQuote from: CoreySamson on June 20, 2021, 05:56:36 PMYeah I have no idea how the Sox just failed to show up this series.
Wow Astros sweep the White Sox rather convincingly (outscoring them 27-8) and take first place in the AL West back from the Athletics. They are on a 7-game winning streak, and I don't see that stopping anytime soon with the Orioles and Tigers up next.
Houston is the hottest team in baseball right now, playing at home, and the White Sox are missing 4 of their starting position players, with 2 more in slumps right now.
White Sox have a run of games against bad teams from now through the All-Star break so I'm not worried.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 09, 2021, 08:37:51 PM
Post by: Henry on July 09, 2021, 08:37:51 PM
Looks like the Cubs will lose more of their World Series stars, and I wouldn't be surprised given their usual bad luck of late. Back to status quo, I guess...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 09, 2021, 11:03:46 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 09, 2021, 11:03:46 PM
I guess the White Sox are up and down. Right now they are on a 3 game winning streak and they are in Baltimore so I'm hoping their bats can tee off on Orioles pitching. Last time I saw them play was on Sunday in Detroit and they didn't look good that day or Saturday but won the Friday game. Lance Lynn won the only game of that series and both Keuchel and Giolito pitched like shit because they scored enough runs off Tigers pitching to win those two games.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 12, 2021, 10:58:44 AM
Post by: Henry on July 12, 2021, 10:58:44 AM
On to Denver for the All-Star break, and I guess all eyes will be on Shohei Ohtani, who will be the first player ever to bat and pitch in an ASG, which is something not even the great Babe Ruth had done.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 12, 2021, 11:56:52 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 12, 2021, 11:56:52 AM
Not even going to watch the ASG. For one thing relocating it was for reasons that MLB has no business involving themselves in and for another thing it's a boring exhibition game that means nothing. I'm sure the players would just rather have the four days off I know I would if I was a MLB player. It's a long season and a little break is needed at this point of the season. And I really hated it when Bud Selig made it so the league that won the ASG had HFA in the WS.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KeithE4Phx on July 12, 2021, 12:44:12 PM
Post by: KeithE4Phx on July 12, 2021, 12:44:12 PM
Quote from: Henry on July 12, 2021, 10:58:44 AM
On to Denver for the All-Star break, and I guess all eyes will be on Shohei Ohtani, who will be the first player ever to bat and pitch in an ASG, which is something not even the great Babe Ruth had done.
The first All Star Game was in 1933, and Ruth only pitched in 5 games after joining the Yankees in 1920.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 12, 2021, 12:53:12 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 12, 2021, 12:53:12 PM
Quote from: Henry on July 12, 2021, 10:58:44 AM
On to Denver for the All-Star break, and I guess all eyes will be on Shohei Ohtani, who will be the first player ever to bat and pitch in an ASG, which is something not even the great Babe Ruth had done.
He shouldn't pitch in the game. He shouldn't even be listed as a pitcher. He's not an all-star caliber pitcher. He's only made 13 starts and has a 3.49 ERA. Good, but not All-Star quality.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 12, 2021, 02:49:40 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 12, 2021, 02:49:40 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 12, 2021, 12:53:12 PMThe thing that gets me is he's 109th in innings pitched which says he doesn't pitch enough to be considered a pitcher for the All-Star team. I feel the only reason he was selected is because of his 33 home runs. Nothing else really stands out about the guy. The Angels are without Trout and don't have that good of a lineup really so I'm surprised pitchers aren't pitching around him more.Quote from: Henry on July 12, 2021, 10:58:44 AM
On to Denver for the All-Star break, and I guess all eyes will be on Shohei Ohtani, who will be the first player ever to bat and pitch in an ASG, which is something not even the great Babe Ruth had done.
He shouldn't pitch in the game. He shouldn't even be listed as a pitcher. He's not an all-star caliber pitcher. He's only made 13 starts and has a 3.49 ERA. Good, but not All-Star quality.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 14, 2021, 10:25:53 AM
Post by: Henry on July 14, 2021, 10:25:53 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 12, 2021, 02:49:40 PMMaybe he shouldn't have pitched, but he did get the win (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31814731/vladimir-guerrero-jr-wins-all-star-game-mvp-powers-al-victory-468-foot-homer) for the AL, who took its eighth matchup in a row.Quote from: cabiness42 on July 12, 2021, 12:53:12 PMThe thing that gets me is he's 109th in innings pitched which says he doesn't pitch enough to be considered a pitcher for the All-Star team. I feel the only reason he was selected is because of his 33 home runs. Nothing else really stands out about the guy. The Angels are without Trout and don't have that good of a lineup really so I'm surprised pitchers aren't pitching around him more.Quote from: Henry on July 12, 2021, 10:58:44 AM
On to Denver for the All-Star break, and I guess all eyes will be on Shohei Ohtani, who will be the first player ever to bat and pitch in an ASG, which is something not even the great Babe Ruth had done.
He shouldn't pitch in the game. He shouldn't even be listed as a pitcher. He's not an all-star caliber pitcher. He's only made 13 starts and has a 3.49 ERA. Good, but not All-Star quality.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on July 14, 2021, 05:08:39 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on July 14, 2021, 05:08:39 PM
Damn, I forgot about the All Star Game. :banghead:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on July 15, 2021, 10:42:54 AM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on July 15, 2021, 10:42:54 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 12, 2021, 02:49:40 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on July 12, 2021, 12:53:12 PMThe thing that gets me is he's 109th in innings pitched which says he doesn't pitch enough to be considered a pitcher for the All-Star team. I feel the only reason he was selected is because of his 33 home runs. Nothing else really stands out about the guy. The Angels are without Trout and don't have that good of a lineup really so I'm surprised pitchers aren't pitching around him more.Quote from: Henry on July 12, 2021, 10:58:44 AM
On to Denver for the All-Star break, and I guess all eyes will be on Shohei Ohtani, who will be the first player ever to bat and pitch in an ASG, which is something not even the great Babe Ruth had done.
He shouldn't pitch in the game. He shouldn't even be listed as a pitcher. He's not an all-star caliber pitcher. He's only made 13 starts and has a 3.49 ERA. Good, but not All-Star quality.
The All-Star game is supposed to be fun. It's not the World Series. A guy that has both hit 33 home runs *in half a season* and is a more-than-competent pitcher is amazing and it's something people want to watch because it's something they have never seen in MLB, including his peers in the game who want to see him in action too.
When he came into MLB with the demand that whoever signed him needed to allow him to be able to both pitch and hit as he did in Japan, I expected him to be a 12-15 homer guy and a marginal fifth starter, more of a gimmick than something actually productive and the novelty would wear off.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 15, 2021, 05:46:20 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 15, 2021, 05:46:20 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on July 15, 2021, 10:42:54 AMThe ASG used to be fun but it's not really fun to me anymore. I liked it when I was a kid but I lost interest in the ASG in every sport pretty much now. Even though my team is in the American League they've won like 8 straight now and had a long winning streak before too.Quote from: Flint1979 on July 12, 2021, 02:49:40 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on July 12, 2021, 12:53:12 PMThe thing that gets me is he's 109th in innings pitched which says he doesn't pitch enough to be considered a pitcher for the All-Star team. I feel the only reason he was selected is because of his 33 home runs. Nothing else really stands out about the guy. The Angels are without Trout and don't have that good of a lineup really so I'm surprised pitchers aren't pitching around him more.Quote from: Henry on July 12, 2021, 10:58:44 AM
On to Denver for the All-Star break, and I guess all eyes will be on Shohei Ohtani, who will be the first player ever to bat and pitch in an ASG, which is something not even the great Babe Ruth had done.
He shouldn't pitch in the game. He shouldn't even be listed as a pitcher. He's not an all-star caliber pitcher. He's only made 13 starts and has a 3.49 ERA. Good, but not All-Star quality.
The All-Star game is supposed to be fun. It's not the World Series. A guy that has both hit 33 home runs *in half a season* and is a more-than-competent pitcher is amazing and it's something people want to watch because it's something they have never seen in MLB, including his peers in the game who want to see him in action too.
When he came into MLB with the demand that whoever signed him needed to allow him to be able to both pitch and hit as he did in Japan, I expected him to be a 12-15 homer guy and a marginal fifth starter, more of a gimmick than something actually productive and the novelty would wear off.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 20, 2021, 10:09:39 AM
Post by: Henry on July 20, 2021, 10:09:39 AM
The Blue Jays are coming back to Toronto in 10 days!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 20, 2021, 10:12:21 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 20, 2021, 10:12:21 AM
Quote from: Henry on July 20, 2021, 10:09:39 AM
The Blue Jays are coming back to Toronto in 10 days!
Pitchers everywhere rejoice!
Hitters everywhere are very sad.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 01:09:53 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 01:09:53 PM
Quote from: Henry on July 20, 2021, 10:09:39 AMOnly 15K fans allowed in is pretty lame.
The Blue Jays are coming back to Toronto in 10 days!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 20, 2021, 03:18:26 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 20, 2021, 03:18:26 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 01:09:53 PMIt is what it is.Quote from: Henry on July 20, 2021, 10:09:39 AMOnly 15K fans allowed in is pretty lame.
The Blue Jays are coming back to Toronto in 10 days!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 03:57:02 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 03:57:02 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 20, 2021, 03:18:26 PMCanada sure is stricter.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 01:09:53 PMIt is what it is.Quote from: Henry on July 20, 2021, 10:09:39 AMOnly 15K fans allowed in is pretty lame.
The Blue Jays are coming back to Toronto in 10 days!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 20, 2021, 04:18:34 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 20, 2021, 04:18:34 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 03:57:02 PMWe'd still have 80% of the state's shut down if they had the same strictness here.Quote from: Flint1979 on July 20, 2021, 03:18:26 PMCanada sure is stricter.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 01:09:53 PMIt is what it is.Quote from: Henry on July 20, 2021, 10:09:39 AMOnly 15K fans allowed in is pretty lame.
The Blue Jays are coming back to Toronto in 10 days!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on July 20, 2021, 09:55:22 PM
Post by: Alps on July 20, 2021, 09:55:22 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 01:09:53 PMThat's a lot more than I'd expect for Canada. But here we go with reopening.Quote from: Henry on July 20, 2021, 10:09:39 AMOnly 15K fans allowed in is pretty lame.
The Blue Jays are coming back to Toronto in 10 days!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on July 21, 2021, 03:10:22 AM
Post by: kevinb1994 on July 21, 2021, 03:10:22 AM
Well, it looks like the A's are gonna head east. Just exactly where is up in the air (pun intended), of course. I can see them touring the Music City.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 21, 2021, 07:25:03 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 21, 2021, 07:25:03 AM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 21, 2021, 03:10:22 AM
Well, it looks like the A's are gonna head east. Just exactly where is up in the air (pun intended), of course. I can see them touring the Music City.
I think it will very likely be Las Vegas. They want a team, they can support a team, and it's not close enough to another team to draw an objection.
Seattle would not like a team moving to Portland
I'd love to see Montreal but they don't seem to really want a team
I don't think Nashville can support a team plus the Braves and Cardinals both have strong followings there.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on July 21, 2021, 07:31:51 AM
Post by: kevinb1994 on July 21, 2021, 07:31:51 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 21, 2021, 07:25:03 AMYeah Portland's dead in the water apparently. Montreal is spot on. Nashville is a wild card.Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 21, 2021, 03:10:22 AM
Well, it looks like the A's are gonna head east. Just exactly where is up in the air (pun intended), of course. I can see them touring the Music City.
I think it will very likely be Las Vegas. They want a team, they can support a team, and it's not close enough to another team to draw an objection.
Seattle would not like a team moving to Portland
I'd love to see Montreal but they don't seem to really want a team
I don't think Nashville can support a team plus the Braves and Cardinals both have strong followings there.
Apparently Las Vegas needs to warm up more to having another major league team in town. They don't want to be overwhelmed. Maybe not all the cards are stacked in their favor yet.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: wriddle082 on July 21, 2021, 08:09:45 AM
Post by: wriddle082 on July 21, 2021, 08:09:45 AM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 21, 2021, 07:31:51 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on July 21, 2021, 07:25:03 AMYeah Portland's dead in the water apparently. Montreal is spot on. Nashville is a wild card.Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 21, 2021, 03:10:22 AM
Well, it looks like the A's are gonna head east. Just exactly where is up in the air (pun intended), of course. I can see them touring the Music City.
I think it will very likely be Las Vegas. They want a team, they can support a team, and it's not close enough to another team to draw an objection.
Seattle would not like a team moving to Portland
I'd love to see Montreal but they don't seem to really want a team
I don't think Nashville can support a team plus the Braves and Cardinals both have strong followings there.
Apparently Las Vegas needs to warm up more to having another major league team in town. They don't want to be overwhelmed. Maybe not all the cards are stacked in their favor yet.
Raleigh/Durham or Charlotte should be considered. Geographically they are a good distance from Atlanta and DC. I say they should rebuild Five County Stadium near Zebulon, NC (conveniently located off Future I-587 (US 264). Make them a major league version of the Carolina Mudcats!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 21, 2021, 11:18:26 AM
Post by: Henry on July 21, 2021, 11:18:26 AM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 21, 2021, 07:31:51 AMNot only that, with the Raiders and Golden Knights in town, they'll try to get an NBA team, either through expansion or relocation. If the latter occurs, it'll most likely be in conjunction with the return of the Seattle Supersonics. We'll see about that, though.Quote from: cabiness42 on July 21, 2021, 07:25:03 AMYeah Portland's dead in the water apparently. Montreal is spot on. Nashville is a wild card.Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 21, 2021, 03:10:22 AM
Well, it looks like the A's are gonna head east. Just exactly where is up in the air (pun intended), of course. I can see them touring the Music City.
I think it will very likely be Las Vegas. They want a team, they can support a team, and it's not close enough to another team to draw an objection.
Seattle would not like a team moving to Portland
I'd love to see Montreal but they don't seem to really want a team
I don't think Nashville can support a team plus the Braves and Cardinals both have strong followings there.
Apparently Las Vegas needs to warm up more to having another major league team in town. They don't want to be overwhelmed. Maybe not all the cards are stacked in their favor yet.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 21, 2021, 01:20:50 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 21, 2021, 01:20:50 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 21, 2021, 07:25:03 AMProbably Charlotte would be the best case but that mixes in with Braves fans. I thought the Rays would have ended up relocating there though.Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 21, 2021, 03:10:22 AM
Well, it looks like the A's are gonna head east. Just exactly where is up in the air (pun intended), of course. I can see them touring the Music City.
I think it will very likely be Las Vegas. They want a team, they can support a team, and it's not close enough to another team to draw an objection.
Seattle would not like a team moving to Portland
I'd love to see Montreal but they don't seem to really want a team
I don't think Nashville can support a team plus the Braves and Cardinals both have strong followings there.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 21, 2021, 01:21:54 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 21, 2021, 01:21:54 PM
Quote from: Henry on July 21, 2021, 11:18:26 AMAre you sure that Las Vegas is big enough to support both an NHL team and NBA team? I mean their seasons overlap completely almost.Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 21, 2021, 07:31:51 AMNot only that, with the Raiders and Golden Knights in town, they'll try to get an NBA team, either through expansion or relocation. If the latter occurs, it'll most likely be in conjunction with the return of the Seattle Supersonics. We'll see about that, though.Quote from: cabiness42 on July 21, 2021, 07:25:03 AMYeah Portland's dead in the water apparently. Montreal is spot on. Nashville is a wild card.Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 21, 2021, 03:10:22 AM
Well, it looks like the A's are gonna head east. Just exactly where is up in the air (pun intended), of course. I can see them touring the Music City.
I think it will very likely be Las Vegas. They want a team, they can support a team, and it's not close enough to another team to draw an objection.
Seattle would not like a team moving to Portland
I'd love to see Montreal but they don't seem to really want a team
I don't think Nashville can support a team plus the Braves and Cardinals both have strong followings there.
Apparently Las Vegas needs to warm up more to having another major league team in town. They don't want to be overwhelmed. Maybe not all the cards are stacked in their favor yet.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on July 23, 2021, 09:56:03 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on July 23, 2021, 09:56:03 AM
The Cleveland Indians just announced their name change to the Cleveland Guardians. With that name, they should play in Los Angeles so they can cross-market with the soccer team: "Come see the Guardians and the Galaxy."
Edited to add: My brother just noted–"Cleveland Space Force!"
Edited to add: My brother just noted–"Cleveland Space Force!"
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: spooky on July 23, 2021, 10:13:33 AM
Post by: spooky on July 23, 2021, 10:13:33 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 23, 2021, 09:56:03 AM
The Cleveland Indians just announced their name change to the Cleveland Guardians.
I like it. The announcement video was well done, pushing the blue collar values of the city and the history of the Indians (without naming them as such, of course).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tchafe1978 on July 23, 2021, 10:31:16 AM
Post by: tchafe1978 on July 23, 2021, 10:31:16 AM
It's a nice non-offending ambiguous name. But how are they going to make a mascsot for the Guardians?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: OCGuy81 on July 23, 2021, 10:49:19 AM
Post by: OCGuy81 on July 23, 2021, 10:49:19 AM
Certainly a better name than "Cleveland Baseball Team"
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: spooky on July 23, 2021, 01:34:55 PM
Post by: spooky on July 23, 2021, 01:34:55 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on July 23, 2021, 10:31:16 AM
It's a nice non-offending ambiguous name. But how are they going to make a mascsot for the Guardians?
You don't need the mascot to match the team name. For a terrible example of this, look to the Red Sox with Wally the Green Monster; for an excellent example of this, look to Philadelphia and the two greatest mascots in sports, neither of which is a Flyer or a Phillie.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 23, 2021, 02:00:41 PM
Post by: Henry on July 23, 2021, 02:00:41 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 23, 2021, 09:56:03 AMI can see it now: "Guardians-Angels, live from Anaheim!"
The Cleveland Indians just announced their name change to the Cleveland Guardians. With that name, they should play in Los Angeles so they can cross-market with the soccer team: "Come see the Guardians and the Galaxy."
Edited to add: My brother just noted–"Cleveland Space Force!"
Last time I checked, Drew Carey owned the soccer team in Seattle, but I guess "Come see the Guardians and the Sounders" doesn't feel right at all. But I could get used to the new name, and the soon-to-be ex-Indians should be thankful that they did not revive that infamous 19th century name.
FWIW, the name change was much better executed than that of Washington's NFL franchise (when the hell are they going to select their new nickname anyway?).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 23, 2021, 02:19:18 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 23, 2021, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 23, 2021, 09:56:03 AMew not a fan
The Cleveland Indians just announced their name change to the Cleveland Guardians. With that name, they should play in Los Angeles so they can cross-market with the soccer team: "Come see the Guardians and the Galaxy."
Edited to add: My brother just noted–"Cleveland Space Force!"
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 23, 2021, 03:14:24 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 23, 2021, 03:14:24 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 23, 2021, 09:56:03 AM
The Cleveland Indians just announced their name change to the Cleveland Guardians. With that name, they should play in Los Angeles so they can cross-market with the soccer team: "Come see the Guardians and the Galaxy."
Edited to add: My brother just noted–"Cleveland Space Force!"
Well, they're not in LA, but they certainly could ink a phone sponsorship deal with Samsung.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 23, 2021, 04:23:41 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 23, 2021, 04:23:41 PM
I think Cleveland's name change is pretty lame and I think the City of Cleveland is pretty lame too.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on July 23, 2021, 05:15:37 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on July 23, 2021, 05:15:37 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 23, 2021, 04:23:41 PM
I think the City of Cleveland is pretty lame too.
Well of course I would expect a Michigander to say that. :-D
Guardians is more of a football team name but whatever. Wasn't that an XFL team? Or some other failed football league?
Doesn't immediately conjure up images of Cleveland. But then again, that's true for most team names. Especially all the birds.
I should search for some logos; see what they went with.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kurumi on July 23, 2021, 05:17:53 PM
Post by: kurumi on July 23, 2021, 05:17:53 PM
The Guardians name is transportation-related:
https://www.mlb.com/indians/fans/cleteamname/hope-memorial-bridge
Quote
""ËœGuardians' reflects those attributes that define us while drawing on the iconic Guardians of Traffic just outside the ballpark on the Hope Memorial Bridge. It brings to life the pride Clevelanders take in our city, and the way we fight together for all who choose to be part of the Cleveland baseball family. While "ËœIndians' will always be a part of our history, our new name will help unify our fans and city as we are all Cleveland Guardians."
https://www.mlb.com/indians/fans/cleteamname/hope-memorial-bridge
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 23, 2021, 07:26:56 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 23, 2021, 07:26:56 PM
Quote from: kurumi on July 23, 2021, 05:17:53 PMInteresting now I kind of like it.
The Guardians name is transportation-related:Quote
""ËœGuardians' reflects those attributes that define us while drawing on the iconic Guardians of Traffic just outside the ballpark on the Hope Memorial Bridge. It brings to life the pride Clevelanders take in our city, and the way we fight together for all who choose to be part of the Cleveland baseball family. While "ËœIndians' will always be a part of our history, our new name will help unify our fans and city as we are all Cleveland Guardians."
https://www.mlb.com/indians/fans/cleteamname/hope-memorial-bridge
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on July 23, 2021, 07:39:23 PM
Post by: Alps on July 23, 2021, 07:39:23 PM
I have to be a fan of the only road named team in MLB but I don't like the name without that context.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on July 23, 2021, 07:57:42 PM
Post by: Big John on July 23, 2021, 07:57:42 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 23, 2021, 09:56:03 AMGuardians of the Galaxy (Groot can be the mascot).
The Cleveland Indians just announced their name change to the Cleveland Guardians. With that name, they should play in Los Angeles so they can cross-market with the soccer team: "Come see the Guardians and the Galaxy."
Edited to add: My brother just noted–"Cleveland Space Force!"
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 23, 2021, 09:19:40 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 23, 2021, 09:19:40 PM
Tigers are losing 4-1 to the Royals. All I've heard from Tigers fans is we're heating up now. Never heard so much excitement for a below average team. I hate the Guardians, Tigers, Royals and Twins equally.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 23, 2021, 09:21:45 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 23, 2021, 09:21:45 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on July 23, 2021, 05:15:37 PMThe whole city just creeps me out. I don't even get that feeling in Detroit or Chicago.Quote from: Flint1979 on July 23, 2021, 04:23:41 PM
I think the City of Cleveland is pretty lame too.
Well of course I would expect a Michigander to say that. :-D
Guardians is more of a football team name but whatever. Wasn't that an XFL team? Or some other failed football league?
Doesn't immediately conjure up images of Cleveland. But then again, that's true for most team names. Especially all the birds.
I should search for some logos; see what they went with.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 23, 2021, 11:15:31 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 23, 2021, 11:15:31 PM
Red Sox still on top of the American League
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on July 23, 2021, 11:18:36 PM
Post by: Takumi on July 23, 2021, 11:18:36 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 23, 2021, 11:15:31 PMFor now. Nelson Cruz back in the AL East is going to be fun to watch.
Red Sox still on top of the American League
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 23, 2021, 11:24:31 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 23, 2021, 11:24:31 PM
Quote from: Takumi on July 23, 2021, 11:18:36 PMI hope Tampa Bay wins that division but Nelson Cruz is a White Sox killer.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 23, 2021, 11:15:31 PMFor now. Nelson Cruz back in the AL East is going to be fun to watch.
Red Sox still on top of the American League
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 23, 2021, 11:26:12 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 23, 2021, 11:26:12 PM
Plus I'm happy that the Tigers lost now there seven game winning streak is over.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on July 23, 2021, 11:47:26 PM
Post by: Alps on July 23, 2021, 11:47:26 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 23, 2021, 09:19:40 PMGood, good. Let the hate flow within you.
Tigers are losing 4-1 to the Royals. All I've heard from Tigers fans is we're heating up now. Never heard so much excitement for a below average team. I hate the Guardians, Tigers, Royals and Twins equally.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 24, 2021, 09:20:34 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 24, 2021, 09:20:34 AM
Quote from: Alps on July 23, 2021, 11:47:26 PMWhen your team plays the Tigers, Royals, Guardians and Twins 19 times a year you get tired of those teams. I'm also tired of the Cubs series all it does is brings out the worst in both fan bases. But I'm happy with how my team is doing, first place in the AL Central after going over a decade of losing it's nice to see.Quote from: Flint1979 on July 23, 2021, 09:19:40 PMGood, good. Let the hate flow within you.
Tigers are losing 4-1 to the Royals. All I've heard from Tigers fans is we're heating up now. Never heard so much excitement for a below average team. I hate the Guardians, Tigers, Royals and Twins equally.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CtrlAltDel on July 25, 2021, 04:07:22 AM
Post by: CtrlAltDel on July 25, 2021, 04:07:22 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 23, 2021, 04:23:41 PM
I think Cleveland's name change is pretty lame and I think the City of Cleveland is pretty lame too.
So Ian Hunter was wrong, and Cleveland does not, in fact, rock? :-D
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on July 25, 2021, 11:55:07 PM
Post by: Alps on July 25, 2021, 11:55:07 PM
Whatever Cleveland does or does not do in the world of rock, this is a baseball thread.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 08:05:18 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 08:05:18 AM
I remember in 2007 the Indians and Yankees were playing in the playoffs and Chip Caray was announcing and Cleveland got a hit and he blurts out CLEVELAND ROCKS. I'm thinking shut up omg. The Caray's weren't the best announcing trio.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 01:22:19 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 01:22:19 PM
A Brewers fan told me yesterday that White Sox fans are much nicer than Cubs fans.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 26, 2021, 01:46:25 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 26, 2021, 01:46:25 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 01:22:19 PMProbably true, as there are fewer of them.
A Brewers fan told me yesterday that White Sox fans are much nicer than Cubs fans.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 04:31:30 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 04:31:30 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 26, 2021, 01:46:25 PMThe amount of fans a team has don't have much to do with how nice their fans are. There are probably more White Sox fans than you think there are too.Quote from: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 01:22:19 PMProbably true, as there are fewer of them.
A Brewers fan told me yesterday that White Sox fans are much nicer than Cubs fans.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 26, 2021, 06:19:15 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 26, 2021, 06:19:15 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 04:31:30 PMCubs fans probably obnoxious because they won 5 years ago and they get way more media attention than the White Sox.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 26, 2021, 01:46:25 PMThe amount of fans a team has don't have much to do with how nice their fans are. There are probably more White Sox fans than you think there are too.Quote from: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 01:22:19 PMProbably true, as there are fewer of them.
A Brewers fan told me yesterday that White Sox fans are much nicer than Cubs fans.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 26, 2021, 07:03:53 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 26, 2021, 07:03:53 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 01:22:19 PM
A Brewers fan told me yesterday that White Sox fans are much nicer than Cubs fans.
The White Sox aren't really a rival of the Brewers, at least not in over a generation now. The Brewers are a team the Sox plays one series every 3 years. The Cubs are a team the Brewers play 6 series every year. As a Sox fan, I'm going to be much less obnoxious in Milwaukee than say, Cleveland or Detroit.
What I did notice was that the restaurant where we ate lunch and our section at the stadium were both more than half Sox fans. Milwaukee has a very good team and I know there is probably some NBA hangover right now but the Brewers deserve more support.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on July 26, 2021, 07:32:46 PM
Post by: Alps on July 26, 2021, 07:32:46 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 26, 2021, 01:46:25 PMThere aren't more Red Sux fans than anyone else, and yet they are definitely the least nice.Quote from: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 01:22:19 PMProbably true, as there are fewer of them.
A Brewers fan told me yesterday that White Sox fans are much nicer than Cubs fans.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 26, 2021, 07:39:49 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 26, 2021, 07:39:49 PM
Quote from: Alps on July 26, 2021, 07:32:46 PMThere are a ton of Red Sox fans. Maybe second to the Yankees.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 26, 2021, 01:46:25 PMThere aren't more Red Sux fans than anyone else, and yet they are definitely the least nice.Quote from: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 01:22:19 PMProbably true, as there are fewer of them.
A Brewers fan told me yesterday that White Sox fans are much nicer than Cubs fans.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 09:32:12 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 09:32:12 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 26, 2021, 07:03:53 PMYeah I pretty much said the same thing since I remember the days of Milwaukee being in the American League quite well. They used to be a rival of the White Sox but since they aren't in the AL anymore and that's been over a generation ago now it's not a rivalry anymore. But this isn't the first time I've heard someone complain about Cubs fans. I think they play them on the Southside later in the year so they play them twice this year but I know what you're saying. That's the thing with the Cubs and Brewers though they are division rivals so it makes sense that they think Cubs fans are bad. I've been pretty obnoxious with Tigers and Indians fans before they both have annoying fan bases.Quote from: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 01:22:19 PM
A Brewers fan told me yesterday that White Sox fans are much nicer than Cubs fans.
The White Sox aren't really a rival of the Brewers, at least not in over a generation now. The Brewers are a team the Sox plays one series every 3 years. The Cubs are a team the Brewers play 6 series every year. As a Sox fan, I'm going to be much less obnoxious in Milwaukee than say, Cleveland or Detroit.
What I did notice was that the restaurant where we ate lunch and our section at the stadium were both more than half Sox fans. Milwaukee has a very good team and I know there is probably some NBA hangover right now but the Brewers deserve more support.
The section I sat in all three games was about 60% Sox fans I thought well this is cool at least I'll get along with everyone. Yeah with the Bucks winning they probably are all into that right now so the Brewers are probably something they'll catch on with later if they have a deep October run. They could too they have a pretty nice ballclub. I love that ballpark I've been going to games there for years.
It's been a funny year I've been to 13 Sox games and none of them have been home games. I almost went to a home game back in April but didn't get to Chicago until it was too late and they were on the road the next day. I'm not going to go to a Cubs game as an alternative either lol.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 09:34:07 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 09:34:07 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 26, 2021, 06:19:15 PMWell the Cubs suck now and they shouldn't get more media attention than the Sox. The Sox have historically been a better team.Quote from: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 04:31:30 PMCubs fans probably obnoxious because they won 5 years ago and they get way more media attention than the White Sox.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 26, 2021, 01:46:25 PMThe amount of fans a team has don't have much to do with how nice their fans are. There are probably more White Sox fans than you think there are too.Quote from: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 01:22:19 PMProbably true, as there are fewer of them.
A Brewers fan told me yesterday that White Sox fans are much nicer than Cubs fans.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 09:45:55 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 09:45:55 PM
Wait I'll give you the reason why the Cubs have such a large fan base. Three letters, WGN.
Back before the internet was big and MLB Extra Innings was available you had a few options. You had the Cubs on WGN every single game just about, you had the Braves on TBS every single game just about as well and you had whatever regional team was in your area in my case that would be the Tigers. So everyone was a fan of one of those teams (regional teams being different in different areas of course and the media markets that have two teams had both of course).
For me personally I watched a lot of baseball and watched all the games I could. The Cubs were always on when I got home from school so I'd watch them (I was never a fan of theirs but I did mock Harry Caray pretty good) until the game was over then I'd wait and watch either the Braves or Tigers later. The White Sox came on WGN too but not as often as the Cubs since the Tribune Company owned both WGN and the Cubs they favored them. So the Cubs had this national exposure long before the internet was around it started when cable tv started basically.
I can remember Wrigley Field being empty in the 1980's with no one going to games before it was a yuppie thing to be to be a Cubs fan. I didn't like the party atmosphere at Wrigley and people being on their cell phones instead of watching the game. It was a drunken atmosphere and Cubs fans are about as bad as Packers fans are. I never liked Wrigley Field in general either I found it to be a dump, in fact Fenway Park which is two years older was in better shape when I visited that park in 2004. Last time I went to a Cubs game was in 2013, I sat on the third base side in the upper deck with a Cincinnati Reds hat on and rooted for the Reds who won the game 2-1. I remember the date because game one of the Stanley Cup Finals was on that night and I went to a bar in Chicago to watch it (June 12, 2013).
Back before the internet was big and MLB Extra Innings was available you had a few options. You had the Cubs on WGN every single game just about, you had the Braves on TBS every single game just about as well and you had whatever regional team was in your area in my case that would be the Tigers. So everyone was a fan of one of those teams (regional teams being different in different areas of course and the media markets that have two teams had both of course).
For me personally I watched a lot of baseball and watched all the games I could. The Cubs were always on when I got home from school so I'd watch them (I was never a fan of theirs but I did mock Harry Caray pretty good) until the game was over then I'd wait and watch either the Braves or Tigers later. The White Sox came on WGN too but not as often as the Cubs since the Tribune Company owned both WGN and the Cubs they favored them. So the Cubs had this national exposure long before the internet was around it started when cable tv started basically.
I can remember Wrigley Field being empty in the 1980's with no one going to games before it was a yuppie thing to be to be a Cubs fan. I didn't like the party atmosphere at Wrigley and people being on their cell phones instead of watching the game. It was a drunken atmosphere and Cubs fans are about as bad as Packers fans are. I never liked Wrigley Field in general either I found it to be a dump, in fact Fenway Park which is two years older was in better shape when I visited that park in 2004. Last time I went to a Cubs game was in 2013, I sat on the third base side in the upper deck with a Cincinnati Reds hat on and rooted for the Reds who won the game 2-1. I remember the date because game one of the Stanley Cup Finals was on that night and I went to a bar in Chicago to watch it (June 12, 2013).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KeithE4Phx on July 26, 2021, 10:52:30 PM
Post by: KeithE4Phx on July 26, 2021, 10:52:30 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 26, 2021, 07:39:49 PMQuote from: Alps on July 26, 2021, 07:32:46 PMThere are a ton of Red Sox fans. Maybe second to the Yankees.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 26, 2021, 01:46:25 PMThere aren't more Red Sux fans than anyone else, and yet they are definitely the least nice.Quote from: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 01:22:19 PMProbably true, as there are fewer of them.
A Brewers fan told me yesterday that White Sox fans are much nicer than Cubs fans.
I'm willing to bet that there are comparatively few Red Sox fans nationwide, outside of New England and people who moved away from New England. I know quite a few in metro Phoenix, but all are ex-Bostonians. We have far more Cubs, White Sox, Cardinals, Tigers, Indians, Brewers, and Twins fans here than Red Sox. Or Yankees, for that matter. The Dodgers and Giants are big here as well (lots of ex-Californians in Arizona).
Nationwide, the Yankees are like the Cowboys, Lakers, and Buckeyes: Teams with national interest, as well as teams people love to hate. The Red Sox are loved mainly by people from New England, including Connecticut-based ESPN.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 11:22:07 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 11:22:07 PM
People don't realize how many fans the White Sox really do have. We don't have a ballpark that doubles as a tourist trap. Our ballpark is much nicer than Wrigley Field anyway and I've heard that even from Cubs fans.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on July 27, 2021, 02:49:22 AM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on July 27, 2021, 02:49:22 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 26, 2021, 07:39:49 PMQuote from: Alps on July 26, 2021, 07:32:46 PMThere are a ton of Red Sox fans. Maybe second to the Yankees.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 26, 2021, 01:46:25 PMThere aren't more Red Sux fans than anyone else, and yet they are definitely the least nice.Quote from: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 01:22:19 PMProbably true, as there are fewer of them.
A Brewers fan told me yesterday that White Sox fans are much nicer than Cubs fans.
We're nice as long as you're not a Yankee fan. And yes, the fan base has grown since 2004 (I've been on the bus since 84). I'd say Philly fans are the least nice; they boo Santa Claus and throw batteries.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tchafe1978 on July 27, 2021, 10:27:22 AM
Post by: tchafe1978 on July 27, 2021, 10:27:22 AM
Brewers fans do support their team, that's why they've been in the top 5 or 10 in attendance the past few years, which is great considering Milwaukee is the smallest market in MLB. The problem is when the Brewers play the Scrubs, and the White Sox, is many tickets are bought up by FIBS from Chicago, or even fans of those two teams from Wisconsin, since especially for the Scrubs, fans have a tough time getting tickets for Miller Park South. So then us Brewers fand have to deal with a stadium half full of obnoxious Scrubs fans. How sweet it was when the Brewers swept the Scrubs back to Chicago the last series they played, and just took 2 of 3 from the Sox.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 27, 2021, 10:49:29 AM
Post by: Henry on July 27, 2021, 10:49:29 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 09:45:55 PMYes, WGN...great memories. Up to the time I entered high school, the Cubs always stunk so bad that I would get teased by White Sox fans who reminded me that they (the Cubs) lost another game and that I should switch to them (the White Sox) instead. It was especially bad in '83, when the Sox won the AL West for the first time ever, and I had never been so tortured before. But then the Cubs won the NL East the next season, and I felt like I had gotten my revenge; however, it didn't last long as they lost to the Padres in the NLCS (Baltimore had beaten the Sox in the prior year's ALCS, and won the World Series as well). Once I got to college, I felt free to continue my Cubs fandom because I had WGN on cable, and I remain a huge fan to this day.
Wait I'll give you the reason why the Cubs have such a large fan base. Three letters, WGN.
Back before the internet was big and MLB Extra Innings was available you had a few options. You had the Cubs on WGN every single game just about, you had the Braves on TBS every single game just about as well and you had whatever regional team was in your area in my case that would be the Tigers. So everyone was a fan of one of those teams (regional teams being different in different areas of course and the media markets that have two teams had both of course).
For me personally I watched a lot of baseball and watched all the games I could. The Cubs were always on when I got home from school so I'd watch them (I was never a fan of theirs but I did mock Harry Caray pretty good) until the game was over then I'd wait and watch either the Braves or Tigers later. The White Sox came on WGN too but not as often as the Cubs since the Tribune Company owned both WGN and the Cubs they favored them. So the Cubs had this national exposure long before the internet was around it started when cable tv started basically.
I can remember Wrigley Field being empty in the 1980's with no one going to games before it was a yuppie thing to be to be a Cubs fan. I didn't like the party atmosphere at Wrigley and people being on their cell phones instead of watching the game. It was a drunken atmosphere and Cubs fans are about as bad as Packers fans are. I never liked Wrigley Field in general either I found it to be a dump, in fact Fenway Park which is two years older was in better shape when I visited that park in 2004. Last time I went to a Cubs game was in 2013, I sat on the third base side in the upper deck with a Cincinnati Reds hat on and rooted for the Reds who won the game 2-1. I remember the date because game one of the Stanley Cup Finals was on that night and I went to a bar in Chicago to watch it (June 12, 2013).
As to Cubs fans not being nice, I guess it was easy to get carried away following the 2016 World Series win, but I do believe that they are better than most other teams' fanbases, especially the two New York teams (Yankees and Mets, which rank high on my hate list). Speaking of New York, the Mets were on superstation WOR, so that you had a chance to marvel at (or be repulsed by) their bad boy persona from just about everywhere. Personally, the '86 Mets were the lowest point of my life (although the 2015 NLCS win over the Cubs would overtake that as the new low), and that's when I first called them evil, because of their antics. Plus seeing them win the World Series that year made me want to vomit. I had never been so happier when they began their decline in the early 90s. As obnoxious as you think Cubs fans are, Mets fans are even worse; in fact, they are so bad that they make Yankee fans look like saints.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 27, 2021, 10:53:21 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 27, 2021, 10:53:21 AM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on July 27, 2021, 10:27:22 AM
Brewers fans do support their team, that's why they've been in the top 5 or 10 in attendance the past few years, which is great considering Milwaukee is the smallest market in MLB. The problem is when the Brewers play the Scrubs, and the White Sox, is many tickets are bought up by FIBS from Chicago, or even fans of those two teams from Wisconsin, since especially for the Scrubs, fans have a tough time getting tickets for Miller Park South. So then us Brewers fand have to deal with a stadium half full of obnoxious Scrubs fans. How sweet it was when the Brewers swept the Scrubs back to Chicago the last series they played, and just took 2 of 3 from the Sox.
I bought my tickets a week before the game. My seats had been available for Brewers fans to purchase for quite a while.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 27, 2021, 11:05:59 AM
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 27, 2021, 11:05:59 AM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on July 27, 2021, 10:27:22 AM
Brewers fans do support their team, that's why they've been in the top 5 or 10 in attendance the past few years, which is great considering Milwaukee is the smallest market in MLB. The problem is when the Brewers play the Scrubs, and the White Sox, is many tickets are bought up by FIBS from Chicago, or even fans of those two teams from Wisconsin, since especially for the Scrubs, fans have a tough time getting tickets for Miller Park South. So then us Brewers fand have to deal with a stadium half full of obnoxious Scrubs fans. How sweet it was when the Brewers swept the Scrubs back to Chicago the last series they played, and just took 2 of 3 from the Sox.
When the Phillies play the Mets and Yankees, there are a lot of NY fans in the ballpark. Much, much cheaper than going to a NY game - and that's just considering the cost of travel, not even taking into account the cheaper tickets usually available. And much easier getting to Citizens Bank Park too, especially if the fans are from NJ.
At the same time, Philly fans are known to travel, and there's an above-average number of Phillies fans at away games, no matter where they're playing.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 27, 2021, 02:30:52 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 27, 2021, 02:30:52 PM
Quote from: Henry on July 27, 2021, 10:49:29 AMThose were some good memories even though I wasn't a Cubs fan. Harry doing the 7th inning stretch started on the Southside and Harry was a horrible singer. When he was with the Cubs I was too young to remember him with the Sox but when he was with the Cubs I saw him do it all the time and just thought he had been with the Cubs forever but little did I know he actually broadcast for the Cardinals for the majority of his career. I remember that thing they did on his 50 years in baseball with Bob Costas and learned about him there.Quote from: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 09:45:55 PMYes, WGN...great memories. Up to the time I entered high school, the Cubs always stunk so bad that I would get teased by White Sox fans who reminded me that they (the Cubs) lost another game and that I should switch to them (the White Sox) instead. It was especially bad in '83, when the Sox won the AL West for the first time ever, and I had never been so tortured before. But then the Cubs won the NL East the next season, and I felt like I had gotten my revenge; however, it didn't last long as they lost to the Padres in the NLCS (Baltimore had beaten the Sox in the prior year's ALCS, and won the World Series as well). Once I got to college, I felt free to continue my Cubs fandom because I had WGN on cable, and I remain a huge fan to this day.
Wait I'll give you the reason why the Cubs have such a large fan base. Three letters, WGN.
Back before the internet was big and MLB Extra Innings was available you had a few options. You had the Cubs on WGN every single game just about, you had the Braves on TBS every single game just about as well and you had whatever regional team was in your area in my case that would be the Tigers. So everyone was a fan of one of those teams (regional teams being different in different areas of course and the media markets that have two teams had both of course).
For me personally I watched a lot of baseball and watched all the games I could. The Cubs were always on when I got home from school so I'd watch them (I was never a fan of theirs but I did mock Harry Caray pretty good) until the game was over then I'd wait and watch either the Braves or Tigers later. The White Sox came on WGN too but not as often as the Cubs since the Tribune Company owned both WGN and the Cubs they favored them. So the Cubs had this national exposure long before the internet was around it started when cable tv started basically.
I can remember Wrigley Field being empty in the 1980's with no one going to games before it was a yuppie thing to be to be a Cubs fan. I didn't like the party atmosphere at Wrigley and people being on their cell phones instead of watching the game. It was a drunken atmosphere and Cubs fans are about as bad as Packers fans are. I never liked Wrigley Field in general either I found it to be a dump, in fact Fenway Park which is two years older was in better shape when I visited that park in 2004. Last time I went to a Cubs game was in 2013, I sat on the third base side in the upper deck with a Cincinnati Reds hat on and rooted for the Reds who won the game 2-1. I remember the date because game one of the Stanley Cup Finals was on that night and I went to a bar in Chicago to watch it (June 12, 2013).
As to Cubs fans not being nice, I guess it was easy to get carried away following the 2016 World Series win, but I do believe that they are better than most other teams' fanbases, especially the two New York teams (Yankees and Mets, which rank high on my hate list). Speaking of New York, the Mets were on superstation WOR, so that you had a chance to marvel at (or be repulsed by) their bad boy persona from just about everywhere. Personally, the '86 Mets were the lowest point of my life (although the 2015 NLCS win over the Cubs would overtake that as the new low), and that's when I first called them evil, because of their antics. Plus seeing them win the World Series that year made me want to vomit. I had never been so happier when they began their decline in the early 90s. As obnoxious as you think Cubs fans are, Mets fans are even worse; in fact, they are so bad that they make Yankee fans look like saints.
Ahh yes Steve Garvey the 1984 Cubs Killer. They didn't fare too well against the Tigers in the World Series that year. I was only 5 years old but I remember Gibson's home run in game 5 to seal the deal for the Motor City Kitty Cats.
I remember the Mets on WOR too and the drug addicts on the 86 team like Lenny Dykstra, Keith Hernandez, Ron Darling and so on. I agree Mets fans are some of the most obnoxious fans around and don't pat yourselves on the back Yankees, Red Sox and Phillies fans because your fan bases aren't any better. I didn't mind the Red Sox before 2004 but after they won that World Series it was like they were God's gift to baseball and the best thing since sliced bread. I don't care about their comeback in the ALCS that year either, that Yankees team wasn't very good and it shouldn't of even went to 7 games. The Yankees had a garbage pitching staff that year they were due to implode.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on July 27, 2021, 03:19:48 PM
Post by: ET21 on July 27, 2021, 03:19:48 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 26, 2021, 01:46:25 PMQuote from: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 01:22:19 PMProbably true, as there are fewer of them.
A Brewers fan told me yesterday that White Sox fans are much nicer than Cubs fans.
Thanks for saying that for the 1000th time, cause that's all I've heard for the past 10 years when chatting about CWS :rolleyes:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 27, 2021, 05:15:17 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 27, 2021, 05:15:17 PM
Quote from: ET21 on July 27, 2021, 03:19:48 PMExactly every time you talk to a Cubs fan all they talk about is attendance like they get some kind of trophy for that or something I don't know.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 26, 2021, 01:46:25 PMQuote from: Flint1979 on July 26, 2021, 01:22:19 PMProbably true, as there are fewer of them.
A Brewers fan told me yesterday that White Sox fans are much nicer than Cubs fans.
Thanks for saying that for the 1000th time, cause that's all I've heard for the past 10 years when chatting about CWS :rolleyes:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on July 28, 2021, 07:56:20 PM
Post by: Big John on July 28, 2021, 07:56:20 PM
Eduardo Escobar just got traded from the D-backs to the Brewers.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on July 29, 2021, 12:53:15 AM
Post by: Alps on July 29, 2021, 12:53:15 AM
I see no one posted GALLO so
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on July 29, 2021, 01:13:51 AM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on July 29, 2021, 01:13:51 AM
Quote from: Alps on July 29, 2021, 12:53:15 AM
I see no one posted GALLO so
Can we use him, Judge, and Stanton as a turbine with the wind created from swings and misses?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 29, 2021, 02:51:45 PM
Post by: Henry on July 29, 2021, 02:51:45 PM
Bryant and Rizzo have been scratched from the Cubs' lineup today, so would it mean that both are on their way out? (I can see one of them going, though.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on July 29, 2021, 06:45:23 PM
Post by: Alps on July 29, 2021, 06:45:23 PM
Quote from: Henry on July 29, 2021, 02:51:45 PMRIZZO
Bryant and Rizzo have been scratched from the Cubs' lineup today, so would it mean that both are on their way out? (I can see one of them going, though.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on July 30, 2021, 12:35:36 AM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on July 30, 2021, 12:35:36 AM
Speaking of now former Cubs: SCHWARBER
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 30, 2021, 07:24:39 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 30, 2021, 07:24:39 AM
If you're up early, the first USA Olympic baseball game is live on the NBC Sports app right now. Leading Israel 3-1 in the 6th.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on July 30, 2021, 10:35:36 AM
Post by: Takumi on July 30, 2021, 10:35:36 AM
Me, an Orioles fan, watching fans of the other AL East teams freak out when one of them makes a move
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Also RIP Nats
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Also RIP Nats
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on July 30, 2021, 03:51:35 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on July 30, 2021, 03:51:35 PM
Baez appears to be a Met.......Kimbrel going to White Sox. Is Bryant a Cub for 8 or less minutes?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 30, 2021, 04:07:04 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 30, 2021, 04:07:04 PM
Quote from: gr8daynegb on July 30, 2021, 03:51:35 PM
Baez appears to be a Met.......Kimbrel going to White Sox. Is Bryant a Cub for 8 or less minutes?
Kimbrel and Tepera to White Sox
Baez and Williams to Mets
Rizzo to Yankees
Bryant to Giants
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 30, 2021, 04:40:39 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 30, 2021, 04:40:39 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 30, 2021, 04:07:04 PMThe Cubs are unloading lol short lived dynasty.Quote from: gr8daynegb on July 30, 2021, 03:51:35 PM
Baez appears to be a Met.......Kimbrel going to White Sox. Is Bryant a Cub for 8 or less minutes?
Kimbrel and Tepera to White Sox
Baez and Williams to Mets
Rizzo to Yankees
Bryant to Giants
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 30, 2021, 04:41:04 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 30, 2021, 04:41:04 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 30, 2021, 04:40:39 PMIt's no dynasty they one 1 ring.Quote from: cabiness42 on July 30, 2021, 04:07:04 PMThe Cubs are unloading lol short lived dynasty.Quote from: gr8daynegb on July 30, 2021, 03:51:35 PM
Baez appears to be a Met.......Kimbrel going to White Sox. Is Bryant a Cub for 8 or less minutes?
Kimbrel and Tepera to White Sox
Baez and Williams to Mets
Rizzo to Yankees
Bryant to Giants
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 30, 2021, 04:44:55 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 30, 2021, 04:44:55 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 30, 2021, 04:41:04 PMQuote from: Flint1979 on July 30, 2021, 04:40:39 PMIt's no dynasty they one 1 ring.Quote from: cabiness42 on July 30, 2021, 04:07:04 PMThe Cubs are unloading lol short lived dynasty.Quote from: gr8daynegb on July 30, 2021, 03:51:35 PM
Baez appears to be a Met.......Kimbrel going to White Sox. Is Bryant a Cub for 8 or less minutes?
Kimbrel and Tepera to White Sox
Baez and Williams to Mets
Rizzo to Yankees
Bryant to Giants
That's the joke, everyone was ready to anoint the Cubs as the next dynasty team.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 30, 2021, 04:45:17 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 30, 2021, 04:45:17 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 30, 2021, 04:41:04 PMNo kidding. You'd have to be a Chicago sports fan to get it. The Cubs were suppose to be this up and coming dynasty when they won 5 years ago and it was like a short two year window where they were really good then after that it fell apart. I'm just mocking Cubs fans saying they were going to be a dynasty.Quote from: Flint1979 on July 30, 2021, 04:40:39 PMIt's no dynasty they one 1 ring.Quote from: cabiness42 on July 30, 2021, 04:07:04 PMThe Cubs are unloading lol short lived dynasty.Quote from: gr8daynegb on July 30, 2021, 03:51:35 PM
Baez appears to be a Met.......Kimbrel going to White Sox. Is Bryant a Cub for 8 or less minutes?
Kimbrel and Tepera to White Sox
Baez and Williams to Mets
Rizzo to Yankees
Bryant to Giants
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 30, 2021, 04:48:16 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 30, 2021, 04:48:16 PM
I'm sorry it was four years they were really good but only won once from 2015-2018. If you'd talk to a Cubs fan back then they'd tell you about how they are going to be a dynasty and a great team for years to come. It's always been a mystery why they receive so much attention for being such a bad team for a lot of years.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on July 30, 2021, 06:07:23 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on July 30, 2021, 06:07:23 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 30, 2021, 04:45:17 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on July 30, 2021, 04:41:04 PMNo kidding. You'd have to be a Chicago sports fan to get it. The Cubs were suppose to be this up and coming dynasty when they won 5 years ago and it was like a short two year window where they were really good then after that it fell apart. I'm just mocking Cubs fans saying they were going to be a dynasty.Quote from: Flint1979 on July 30, 2021, 04:40:39 PMIt's no dynasty they one 1 ring.Quote from: cabiness42 on July 30, 2021, 04:07:04 PMThe Cubs are unloading lol short lived dynasty.Quote from: gr8daynegb on July 30, 2021, 03:51:35 PM
Baez appears to be a Met.......Kimbrel going to White Sox. Is Bryant a Cub for 8 or less minutes?
Kimbrel and Tepera to White Sox
Baez and Williams to Mets
Rizzo to Yankees
Bryant to Giants
Packers fans get the joke as we know Bears fans keep talking about that one Superbowl in the 1980's with Ditka lol
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on July 31, 2021, 12:31:38 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on July 31, 2021, 12:31:38 PM
I saw this clip about the 1919 Black Sox scancal who involved the White Sox in 1919 as well as this clip from the movie "Eight Men Out" depecting this event.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avFgP5Nomq8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEUB2LSsbe8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avFgP5Nomq8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEUB2LSsbe8
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 31, 2021, 12:36:32 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 31, 2021, 12:36:32 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on July 31, 2021, 12:31:38 PM
I saw this clip about the 1919 Black Sox scancal who involved the White Sox in 1919 as well as this clip from the movie "Eight Men Out" depecting this event.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avFgP5Nomq8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEUB2LSsbe8
That was a really good movie for what it's worth. Most networks stopped showing it about a decade ago for whatever reason. It is kind of grim compared to stuff I see more often like A League Of Their Own and The Natural.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on August 01, 2021, 10:14:52 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on August 01, 2021, 10:14:52 PM
Regarding the comment I made about the Cubs short lived dynasty this is what another White Sox fan had to say and nothing from here was even mentioned to generate this comment so I will quote what he said and this was in response to another Sox fan accusing Sox fans of hating the Cubs more than liking the Sox.
"Cause of the blatant arrogance of their fans, it's mostly the fans we can't stand & the media's portrayal of them being a dynasty. Most of us are just glad that their so called dynasty was over before it began. Happy to see the arrogant fans cry again over the Ricketts decimation of their roster. That's that & we are in first place & will enjoy the ride this year into the playoff 😂"
"Cause of the blatant arrogance of their fans, it's mostly the fans we can't stand & the media's portrayal of them being a dynasty. Most of us are just glad that their so called dynasty was over before it began. Happy to see the arrogant fans cry again over the Ricketts decimation of their roster. That's that & we are in first place & will enjoy the ride this year into the playoff 😂"
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on August 04, 2021, 10:18:24 AM
Post by: Henry on August 04, 2021, 10:18:24 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 01, 2021, 10:14:52 PMI deeply resent that sentiment; and furthermore, when the Sox won in '05 I was happy for them, even though I've never been a fan at any point (despite knowing many people who were/are). I remember thinking that night how awesome it would be to see the same thing happen to the Cubs, and eleven years later, it did. Sure, I too am upset that the North Siders traded away their best players, but hey, it was good while it lasted. At least I'll be able to cherish the 2016 World Series championship for the rest of my life.
Regarding the comment I made about the Cubs short lived dynasty this is what another White Sox fan had to say and nothing from here was even mentioned to generate this comment so I will quote what he said and this was in response to another Sox fan accusing Sox fans of hating the Cubs more than liking the Sox.
"Cause of the blatant arrogance of their fans, it's mostly the fans we can't stand & the media's portrayal of them being a dynasty. Most of us are just glad that their so called dynasty was over before it began. Happy to see the arrogant fans cry again over the Ricketts decimation of their roster. That's that & we are in first place & will enjoy the ride this year into the playoff 😂"
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: bing101 on August 04, 2021, 10:33:23 AM
Post by: bing101 on August 04, 2021, 10:33:23 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news/2020-tokyo-olympics-team-usa-baseball-defeats-dominican-republic-moves-a-win-away-from-gold-medal-game/ (https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news/2020-tokyo-olympics-team-usa-baseball-defeats-dominican-republic-moves-a-win-away-from-gold-medal-game/)
Here is more on Olympic Baseball for Team USA.
Here is more on Olympic Baseball for Team USA.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on August 04, 2021, 01:27:30 PM
Post by: Takumi on August 04, 2021, 01:27:30 PM
Throwing one inflatable trash can on the field: hilarious
Throwing two: ok, you've made your point
Throwing three: you're pushing it
Throwing two: ok, you've made your point
Throwing three: you're pushing it
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on August 04, 2021, 01:38:52 PM
Post by: CoreySamson on August 04, 2021, 01:38:52 PM
Quote from: Takumi on August 04, 2021, 01:27:30 PM
Throwing one inflatable trash can on the field: hilarious
Throwing two: ok, you've made your point
Throwing three: you're pushing it
LOL
https://twitter.com/Machete1224/status/1422810377008476165
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on August 04, 2021, 01:48:50 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on August 04, 2021, 01:48:50 PM
Quote from: Henry on August 04, 2021, 10:18:24 AMQuote from: Flint1979 on August 01, 2021, 10:14:52 PMI deeply resent that sentiment; and furthermore, when the Sox won in '05 I was happy for them, even though I've never been a fan at any point (despite knowing many people who were/are). I remember thinking that night how awesome it would be to see the same thing happen to the Cubs, and eleven years later, it did. Sure, I too am upset that the North Siders traded away their best players, but hey, it was good while it lasted. At least I'll be able to cherish the 2016 World Series championship for the rest of my life.
Regarding the comment I made about the Cubs short lived dynasty this is what another White Sox fan had to say and nothing from here was even mentioned to generate this comment so I will quote what he said and this was in response to another Sox fan accusing Sox fans of hating the Cubs more than liking the Sox.
"Cause of the blatant arrogance of their fans, it's mostly the fans we can't stand & the media's portrayal of them being a dynasty. Most of us are just glad that their so called dynasty was over before it began. Happy to see the arrogant fans cry again over the Ricketts decimation of their roster. That's that & we are in first place & will enjoy the ride this year into the playoff 😂"
Now if these were Yankees/Red Sox fans would have been hearing how that whole run was a disappoint. As a Brewers fan I'll take just getting on the board for having a World Series win. Our 1982 team was a great team(was a baby at the time), but does feel weird celebrating a team that didn't win it all.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on August 04, 2021, 03:45:28 PM
Post by: Alps on August 04, 2021, 03:45:28 PM
Idle wondering as to the most players on any team's 25-person roster (ever) that weren't there on opening day. Has any team ever fielded a roster entirely consisting of callups and trades? If not how close have we come?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on August 04, 2021, 08:21:45 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on August 04, 2021, 08:21:45 PM
I see the Yankees are creeping up on the Red Sox now only five games behind them.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: bing101 on August 09, 2021, 11:58:20 AM
Post by: bing101 on August 09, 2021, 11:58:20 AM
https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/31980267/olympics-2021-japan-baseball-wins-gold-medal-usa-baseball
Japan wins Olympic baseball finals.I heard of some of Japan team at one point or another played in the MLB or Japanese Baseball leagues. This was expected.
Japan wins Olympic baseball finals.I heard of some of Japan team at one point or another played in the MLB or Japanese Baseball leagues. This was expected.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 09, 2021, 01:48:20 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 09, 2021, 01:48:20 PM
Quote from: bing101 on August 09, 2021, 11:58:20 AM
https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/31980267/olympics-2021-japan-baseball-wins-gold-medal-usa-baseball
Japan wins Olympic baseball finals.I heard of some of Japan team at one point or another played in the MLB or Japanese Baseball leagues. This was expected.
The Japanese and Korean leagues paused their seasons to allow top players to play in the Olympics, so yes, Japan was a huge favorite. For the US to get within 2 runs of them twice was actually a pretty good accomplishment.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on August 09, 2021, 01:57:18 PM
Post by: Henry on August 09, 2021, 01:57:18 PM
How long before the Ex-Cub Factor takes full effect again? Anthony Rizzo has tested positive for COVID-19...
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31987292/anthony-rizzo-latest-new-york-yankees-player-test-positive-covid-19
(I don't know how many former Cubs are on the Yankees right now, but from what I hear, if any roster has three or more, it's destined to fail. I remember reading about it a long time ago, which I'm guessing is somewhat related to the Curse of the Billy Goat, the big one that caused Chicago to not win a World Series for 108 years)
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31987292/anthony-rizzo-latest-new-york-yankees-player-test-positive-covid-19
(I don't know how many former Cubs are on the Yankees right now, but from what I hear, if any roster has three or more, it's destined to fail. I remember reading about it a long time ago, which I'm guessing is somewhat related to the Curse of the Billy Goat, the big one that caused Chicago to not win a World Series for 108 years)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KeithE4Phx on August 09, 2021, 04:26:43 PM
Post by: KeithE4Phx on August 09, 2021, 04:26:43 PM
Quote from: Henry on August 09, 2021, 01:57:18 PM
How long before the Ex-Cub Factor takes full effect again? Anthony Rizzo has tested positive for COVID-19...
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31987292/anthony-rizzo-latest-new-york-yankees-player-test-positive-covid-19
(I don't know how many former Cubs are on the Yankees right now, but from what I hear, if any roster has three or more, it's destined to fail. I remember reading about it a long time ago, which I'm guessing is somewhat related to the Curse of the Billy Goat, the big one that caused Chicago to not win a World Series for 108 years)
So much for the White Sox, then.
The Sox have four ex-Cubs on their roster: Dylan Cease, Eloy Jimenez, Ryan Tepera, and Craig Kimbrel. Plus, manager Tony LaRussa played in one game for the 1973 Cubs, apparently as a pinch-runner as he had no at bats but scored a run.
The Curse of the Billy Goat was in 1945, during their last WS appearance before 2016.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on August 10, 2021, 12:23:21 AM
Post by: Alps on August 10, 2021, 12:23:21 AM
Quote from: Henry on August 09, 2021, 01:57:18 PMThe Cubs won a World Series... so...
How long before the Ex-Cub Factor takes full effect again? Anthony Rizzo has tested positive for COVID-19...
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31987292/anthony-rizzo-latest-new-york-yankees-player-test-positive-covid-19 (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31987292/anthony-rizzo-latest-new-york-yankees-player-test-positive-covid-19)
(I don't know how many former Cubs are on the Yankees right now, but from what I hear, if any roster has three or more, it's destined to fail. I remember reading about it a long time ago, which I'm guessing is somewhat related to the Curse of the Billy Goat, the big one that caused Chicago to not win a World Series for 108 years)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on August 10, 2021, 09:58:05 AM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on August 10, 2021, 09:58:05 AM
Quote from: Alps on August 10, 2021, 12:23:21 AMLet's see how long before they'll win another World Series. ;)
The Cubs won a World Series... so...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on August 13, 2021, 01:11:48 PM
Post by: Henry on August 13, 2021, 01:11:48 PM
Did anyone catch the first-ever MLB game played on the Field of Dreams diamond (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32012091/chicago-white-sox-win-field-dreams-game-tim-anderson-walk-home-run)? It was apparently a fun game, because the White Sox beat the Yankees on a walk-off homer by Tim Anderson in the bottom of the ninth, the last of eight balls that were hit into the cornfield behind the diamond in front of 7,800-plus people. It was such a hit success that Rob Manfred is planning another game for next year.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 13, 2021, 01:25:01 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 13, 2021, 01:25:01 PM
Quote from: Henry on August 13, 2021, 01:11:48 PM
Did anyone catch the first-ever MLB game played on the Field of Dreams diamond (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32012091/chicago-white-sox-win-field-dreams-game-tim-anderson-walk-home-run)? It was apparently a fun game, because the White Sox beat the Yankees on a walk-off homer by Tim Anderson in the bottom of the ninth, the last of eight balls that were hit into the cornfield behind the diamond in front of 7,800-plus people. It was such a hit success that Rob Manfred is planning another game for next year.
I watch about 95% of Sox games, so yes, I saw it. Was very down after the pair of Yankee 2-run homers that overcame a 3 run Sox lead in the top of the 9th but that feeling didn't last long.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: WillWeaverRVA on August 13, 2021, 01:36:41 PM
Post by: WillWeaverRVA on August 13, 2021, 01:36:41 PM
Quote from: Henry on August 13, 2021, 01:11:48 PM
Did anyone catch the first-ever MLB game played on the Field of Dreams diamond (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32012091/chicago-white-sox-win-field-dreams-game-tim-anderson-walk-home-run)? It was apparently a fun game, because the White Sox beat the Yankees on a walk-off homer by Tim Anderson in the bottom of the ninth, the last of eight balls that were hit into the cornfield behind the diamond in front of 7,800-plus people. It was such a hit success that Rob Manfred is planning another game for next year.
It was a great game. I'm not even a baseball fan and I enjoyed it. They need to make this an annual tradition.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on August 13, 2021, 02:58:44 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on August 13, 2021, 02:58:44 PM
Every MLB team should play a neutral field game every year.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 13, 2021, 03:13:33 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 13, 2021, 03:13:33 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 13, 2021, 02:58:44 PM
Every MLB team should play a neutral field game every year.
It's not as easy as it looked. The schedules were created such that the White Sox and Yankees were playing road series at Minnesota and Kansas City respectively, right before this game so as to minimize the amount of additional travel resulting from the game. Both teams flew in the morning of the game rather than the night before because hotels in Dubuque aren't used to hosting high profile sports teams. Then they get a day off and play two more games in Chicago. That might be hard to replicate 14 more times per season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on August 13, 2021, 03:20:12 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on August 13, 2021, 03:20:12 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 13, 2021, 03:13:33 PMMaybe play a neutral series. 81 home games is a lot and most MLB teams don't sell out all of their games.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 13, 2021, 02:58:44 PM
Every MLB team should play a neutral field game every year.
It's not as easy as it looked. The schedules were created such that the White Sox and Yankees were playing road series at Minnesota and Kansas City respectively, right before this game so as to minimize the amount of additional travel resulting from the game. Both teams flew in the morning of the game rather than the night before because hotels in Dubuque aren't used to hosting high profile sports teams. Then they get a day off and play two more games in Chicago. That might be hard to replicate 14 more times per season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 13, 2021, 03:52:24 PM
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 13, 2021, 03:52:24 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 13, 2021, 03:13:33 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on August 13, 2021, 02:58:44 PM
Every MLB team should play a neutral field game every year.
It's not as easy as it looked. The schedules were created such that the White Sox and Yankees were playing road series at Minnesota and Kansas City respectively, right before this game so as to minimize the amount of additional travel resulting from the game. Both teams flew in the morning of the game rather than the night before because hotels in Dubuque aren't used to hosting high profile sports teams. Then they get a day off and play two more games in Chicago. That might be hard to replicate 14 more times per season.
Add in that most non-pro ballparks, stadiums and arenas don't have the locker rooms, dugouts and bullpens equipped for the needs of the players. They don't have the safety gear. They don't have the capabilities needed for TV and radio broadcasts. Sure, all of this can be brought in, but there's a significant cost to make it all work.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 13, 2021, 03:20:12 PM
Maybe play a neutral series. 81 home games is a lot and most MLB teams don't sell out all of their games.
Most MLB teams never sell out any of their games, except maybe the season opener and one or two games with an extra-special event going on. If teams wanted sellouts every night, they'll play in minor-league sized ballparks.
Then think about it...if a local market can't sell out their games, what chance some some random ballpark in some random area have at filling up a ballpark to watch two teams they may not have much interest in?
Even with last night's event, 7,800 people reportedly were at the game. Only 2 teams have averaged less than that in this imperfect year of feeling safe next to each other...and one of those teams is the Blue Jays, who haven't even played at home until recently. (BTW, here's the overall attendance records so far this year: https://www.espn.com/mlb/attendance )
And if you want to believe this article written by a local paper, it wasn't even locals that made up that 7,800 at the game. https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/baseball/2021/08/13/field-of-dreams-new-york-yankees-chicago-white-sox-perfection-kevin-costner-mlb-dyersville-iowa/5565683001/
Neutral sites rarely grab the attention of fans. It works for the Superbowl because of how hyped up people are when it comes to Football overall. There's been a few neutral site outdoor hockey games, although neutral may be an overstatement as usually at least one of the teams is still playing where their fan base draws from. But gravitate away from those few, fairly exclusive events, and, well, there's a reason why games don't occur on neutral sites.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on August 13, 2021, 10:18:35 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on August 13, 2021, 10:18:35 PM
^^^^
The NHL had a series of indoor neutral-site games a season for two years in the early 1990s when they played an 84-game season as part of the agreement that settled the brief 1992 players' strike. It wasn't all that popular and didn't work well on the whole. Some venues had reasonable crowds, typically if the venue was in a location where there would be natural interest in certain teams, but some matchups were just plain old random and odd (the Islanders and Edmonton playing in Oklahoma City, for example, or Buffalo and Pittsburgh in Sacramento). There has to be something compelling either about the matchup or some other sort of gimmick. Last night it was the gimmick that made it work (and I don't mean "gimmick" in a pejorative sense, either). The key for MLB is not to go overboard in response to its success.
The NHL had a series of indoor neutral-site games a season for two years in the early 1990s when they played an 84-game season as part of the agreement that settled the brief 1992 players' strike. It wasn't all that popular and didn't work well on the whole. Some venues had reasonable crowds, typically if the venue was in a location where there would be natural interest in certain teams, but some matchups were just plain old random and odd (the Islanders and Edmonton playing in Oklahoma City, for example, or Buffalo and Pittsburgh in Sacramento). There has to be something compelling either about the matchup or some other sort of gimmick. Last night it was the gimmick that made it work (and I don't mean "gimmick" in a pejorative sense, either). The key for MLB is not to go overboard in response to its success.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on August 13, 2021, 10:30:10 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on August 13, 2021, 10:30:10 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 13, 2021, 10:18:35 PMFor the MLB, they can play a series in their AAA ballpark.
^^^^
The NHL had a series of indoor neutral-site games a season for two years in the early 1990s when they played an 84-game season as part of the agreement that settled the brief 1992 players' strike. It wasn't all that popular and didn't work well on the whole. Some venues had reasonable crowds, typically if the venue was in a location where there would be natural interest in certain teams, but some matchups were just plain old random and odd (the Islanders and Edmonton playing in Oklahoma City, for example, or Buffalo and Pittsburgh in Sacramento). There has to be something compelling either about the matchup or some other sort of gimmick. Last night it was the gimmick that made it work (and I don't mean "gimmick" in a pejorative sense, either). The key for MLB is not to go overboard in response to its success.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on August 13, 2021, 10:34:20 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on August 13, 2021, 10:34:20 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 13, 2021, 10:18:35 PM
^^^^
The NHL had a series of indoor neutral-site games a season for two years in the early 1990s when they played an 84-game season as part of the agreement that settled the brief 1992 players' strike. It wasn't all that popular and didn't work well on the whole. Some venues had reasonable crowds, typically if the venue was in a location where there would be natural interest in certain teams, but some matchups were just plain old random and odd (the Islanders and Edmonton playing in Oklahoma City, for example, or Buffalo and Pittsburgh in Sacramento). There has to be something compelling either about the matchup or some other sort of gimmick. Last night it was the gimmick that made it work (and I don't mean "gimmick" in a pejorative sense, either). The key for MLB is not to go overboard in response to its success.
Well, you had the London series between the Red Sox and Yankees a couple years ago. The dunb thing is that both games counted as Red Sox home games instead of 1 and 1. Taking away 2 home dates at Fenway is actually huge in comparison to say, Kansas City or Pittsburgh. Another thing you'll notice is that larger market teams will tend to play more separate admission doubleheaders for make up games rather than the straight twi-nighter single admission ones because they stand to lose a lot more by not getting that extra gate.
As for those NHL neutral site games: they were a half-hearted attempt to spread the game to untapped markets. I seem to recall a Whalers-Blues game in Saskatoon🤣
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on August 14, 2021, 08:48:11 PM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on August 14, 2021, 08:48:11 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 13, 2021, 10:30:10 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on August 13, 2021, 10:18:35 PMFor the MLB, they can play a series in their AAA ballpark.
^^^^
The NHL had a series of indoor neutral-site games a season for two years in the early 1990s when they played an 84-game season as part of the agreement that settled the brief 1992 players' strike. It wasn't all that popular and didn't work well on the whole. Some venues had reasonable crowds, typically if the venue was in a location where there would be natural interest in certain teams, but some matchups were just plain old random and odd (the Islanders and Edmonton playing in Oklahoma City, for example, or Buffalo and Pittsburgh in Sacramento). There has to be something compelling either about the matchup or some other sort of gimmick. Last night it was the gimmick that made it work (and I don't mean "gimmick" in a pejorative sense, either). The key for MLB is not to go overboard in response to its success.
That doesn't make sense for some teams like the Twins, since their AAA team is now in St. Paul.
The Oakland Coliseum is nicer under the hood than the nicest AAA park.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 14, 2021, 08:53:11 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 14, 2021, 08:53:11 PM
The Field of Dreams game worked because of the immensely popular movie it was associated with. That doesn't translate to success in having major league games in other random places.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on August 16, 2021, 04:13:32 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on August 16, 2021, 04:13:32 PM
Gotta say, one of the most pleasant things about that Field of Dreams game was the background drone of crickets and cicadas that really gave it a different vibe. Very chill. Plus a good game for a general fan without a horse in the race.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on August 16, 2021, 06:23:47 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on August 16, 2021, 06:23:47 PM
I wish the Sox could have at least won the series against the Yankees. Seriously they have been playing like a .500 team since about the beginning of June, at least they had that good record in May or else they might be at about .500 right now. And after looking that up they are 35-29 since the beginning of June. Not really good for a team that is supposedly one of the best team in the American League.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on August 31, 2021, 09:11:58 AM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on August 31, 2021, 09:11:58 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on August 13, 2021, 10:34:20 PM
As for those NHL neutral site games: they were a half-hearted attempt to spread the game to untapped markets. I seem to recall a Whalers-Blues game in Saskatoon🤣
And to think the Blues was this close to move to Saskatoon in 1983.
https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/the-saskatoon-blues-a-wild-dream-that-almost-became-real-1.4703733
Back to baseball, I wonder what if the World Series was disputed in an neutral site like the Super Bowl?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tchafe1978 on August 31, 2021, 10:02:02 AM
Post by: tchafe1978 on August 31, 2021, 10:02:02 AM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on August 31, 2021, 09:11:58 AMQuote from: jp the roadgeek on August 13, 2021, 10:34:20 PM
As for those NHL neutral site games: they were a half-hearted attempt to spread the game to untapped markets. I seem to recall a Whalers-Blues game in Saskatoon🤣
And to think the Blues was this close to move to Saskatoon in 1983.
https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/the-saskatoon-blues-a-wild-dream-that-almost-became-real-1.4703733
Back to baseball, I wonder what if the World Series was disputed in an neutral site like the Super Bowl?
Last year's World Series was played at a neutral site in Arlington, Texas due to Covid, with the Dodgers beating the Rays. I doubt a neutral site World Series would ever happen again under normal circumstances. The draw of teams playing in their home fields is too great.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on August 31, 2021, 02:14:59 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on August 31, 2021, 02:14:59 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on August 31, 2021, 10:02:02 AMQuote from: Stephane Dumas on August 31, 2021, 09:11:58 AMQuote from: jp the roadgeek on August 13, 2021, 10:34:20 PM
As for those NHL neutral site games: they were a half-hearted attempt to spread the game to untapped markets. I seem to recall a Whalers-Blues game in Saskatoon🤣
And to think the Blues was this close to move to Saskatoon in 1983.
https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/the-saskatoon-blues-a-wild-dream-that-almost-became-real-1.4703733
Back to baseball, I wonder what if the World Series was disputed in an neutral site like the Super Bowl?
Last year's World Series was played at a neutral site in Arlington, Texas due to Covid, with the Dodgers beating the Rays. I doubt a neutral site World Series would ever happen again under normal circumstances. The draw of teams playing in their home fields is too great.
Also note that the most recent Super Bowl was not at a true neutral site, although Tampa Bay didn't really have home-field advantage because of COVID-related capacity limits. Even if they'd had full capacity, the NFL controls the ticket sales, not the home team, so you wouldn't have your normal crowd there. It's simply been a fluke, on the whole, that no prior team had ever played a Super Bowl in its home stadium, especially now that the NFL is no longer putting the game in "non-NFL" stadiums in a given metropolitan area. That is, for example, a couple of Super Bowls were played in the Rose Bowl, and the Los Angeles Rams played in (and lost) one of those (Super Bowl XIV), but it wasn't their home stadium (at the time, the Coliseum was). The next Super Bowl in LA is this coming February and it's to be held in the new NFL stadium there. The other "close to home team" to play in a Super Bowl was San Francisco, who played in (and won) Super Bowl XIX at Stanford Stadium. That stadium wouldn't be considered now because it's been demolished and rebuilt with a seating capacity that's far too low to satisfy NFL requirements for Super Bowl host venues. But until last year, those two were the closest any team ever came to being a true "home team" in a Super Bowl.
(Of course, it helped that some Super Bowl host venues house teams that are not frequent playoff contenders–Detroit/Pontiac has hosted two, Glendale/Tempe has hosted three and will host a fourth after the 2022 season, Houston has hosted three. It so happens that Detroit and Houston are two of the four NFL cities whose home teams have never made the Super Bowl at all, although Houston's old franchise finally made it after moving to Nashville.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 31, 2021, 02:21:17 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 31, 2021, 02:21:17 PM
The Super Bowl is one game that plenty of fans want to go to regardless of who's playing so they can play it anywhere.
The World Series is a 4-7 game series that's much more reliant on fans of the participating teams so you need home teams for the games.
The World Series is a 4-7 game series that's much more reliant on fans of the participating teams so you need home teams for the games.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 03, 2021, 08:19:18 PM
Post by: Henry on September 03, 2021, 08:19:18 PM
There will be another Field of Dreams game next year, with my Cubs taking on the Reds. Unfortunately, Cincinnati will play the host, which means that both participants in the disgraced 1919 World Series will have been the home team.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 04, 2021, 09:13:32 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 04, 2021, 09:13:32 AM
Quote from: Henry on September 03, 2021, 08:19:18 PM
There will be another Field of Dreams game next year, with my Cubs taking on the Reds. Unfortunately, Cincinnati will play the host, which means that both participants in the disgraced 1919 World Series will have been the home team.
The 1919 Sox are a big part of the movie, thus those teams as participants.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CtrlAltDel on September 04, 2021, 01:54:23 PM
Post by: CtrlAltDel on September 04, 2021, 01:54:23 PM
Quote from: Henry on September 03, 2021, 08:19:18 PM
There will be another Field of Dreams game next year, with my Cubs taking on the Reds. Unfortunately, Cincinnati will play the host, which means that both participants in the disgraced 1919 World Series will have been the home team.
Why is that unfortunate? As far as I'm aware, Cincinnati did nothing wrong.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on September 15, 2021, 01:24:08 PM
Post by: kevinb1994 on September 15, 2021, 01:24:08 PM
Speaking of potential new baseball stadium sites across the country, the Royals may decide to move downtown from their longtime spot at the Truman Sports Complex:
https://news.yahoo.com/royals-evaluate-stadium-options-downtown-202417668.html (https://news.yahoo.com/royals-evaluate-stadium-options-downtown-202417668.html)
Though talks like this from the Royals aren't new according to the article. They tried to make a pitch in the early 2000s for a new downtown ballpark, that would have been right near T-Mobile Arena is in what is now the Power & Light District, only to end up with renovations to the existing stadium (Kauffman) after a vote in April 2006. This was obviously before the Great Recession which may have made building a new stadium less desirable for a time.
https://news.yahoo.com/royals-evaluate-stadium-options-downtown-202417668.html (https://news.yahoo.com/royals-evaluate-stadium-options-downtown-202417668.html)
Though talks like this from the Royals aren't new according to the article. They tried to make a pitch in the early 2000s for a new downtown ballpark, that would have been right near T-Mobile Arena is in what is now the Power & Light District, only to end up with renovations to the existing stadium (Kauffman) after a vote in April 2006. This was obviously before the Great Recession which may have made building a new stadium less desirable for a time.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 21, 2021, 09:42:13 AM
Post by: Henry on September 21, 2021, 09:42:13 AM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on September 15, 2021, 01:24:08 PMThere certainly is no shortage of potential new parks across the country, with Nashville, Portland, Las Vegas and Montreal being high on the MLB wishlist. Those would certainly be great homes for either relocated or expansion teams, seeing that the former is more likely to happen now with the Rays and A's seeking a new site to build their next home fields. Hopefully, the Royals will incorporate some of the same features that made Kauffman Stadium famous into the new park, namely its logo scoreboard and the waterfalls in the outfield. And although the article does not mention the Chiefs outside playing in Arrowhead next door, I suspect that they, too, will want to build their own new stadium in a few years.
Speaking of potential new baseball stadium sites across the country, the Royals may decide to move downtown from their longtime spot at the Truman Sports Complex:
https://news.yahoo.com/royals-evaluate-stadium-options-downtown-202417668.html (https://news.yahoo.com/royals-evaluate-stadium-options-downtown-202417668.html)
Though talks like this from the Royals aren't new according to the article. They tried to make a pitch in the early 2000s for a new downtown ballpark, that would have been right near T-Mobile Arena is in what is now the Power & Light District, only to end up with renovations to the existing stadium (Kauffman) after a vote in April 2006. This was obviously before the Great Recession which may have made building a new stadium less desirable for a time.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 23, 2021, 04:04:20 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 23, 2021, 04:04:20 PM
The first division clinching moment just occurred, with the White Sox clinching the AL Central for the first time since 2008.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on September 23, 2021, 04:26:45 PM
Post by: kevinb1994 on September 23, 2021, 04:26:45 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 23, 2021, 04:04:20 PMAwesome. Go Sox!
The first division clinching moment just occurred, with the White Sox clinching the AL Central for the first time since 2008.
I'm also pleased to see the Brewers clinch theirs too.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 23, 2021, 06:32:51 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 23, 2021, 06:32:51 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 23, 2021, 04:04:20 PMHell yeah. With the way they've been playing the second half of the season I'm a little worried about them going into the playoffs. They have an under .500 record on the road, they have an under .500 record against teams with an over .500 record, they are under .500 in one run games but I want to be happy about it too since it's really been a long time and I've had to suffer with Detroit winning the division four times since then. Go Sox.
The first division clinching moment just occurred, with the White Sox clinching the AL Central for the first time since 2008.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 23, 2021, 06:35:41 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 23, 2021, 06:35:41 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on September 23, 2021, 04:26:45 PMI'm happy that it wasn't the Cubs but if the Cardinals would have caught fire like they have lately earlier they might of caught Milwaukee.Quote from: cabiness42 on September 23, 2021, 04:04:20 PMAwesome. Go Sox!
The first division clinching moment just occurred, with the White Sox clinching the AL Central for the first time since 2008.
I'm also pleased to see the Brewers clinch theirs too.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on September 23, 2021, 09:23:19 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on September 23, 2021, 09:23:19 PM
AL playoff race coming down to the absolute wire. I kind of want the Mariners to make it but that seems unlikely. Go Red Sox! Also, if the MLB had the NBA's playoff format the race would be boring with Seattle and Oakland basically having the 7th and 8th seed under lock.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: webny99 on September 23, 2021, 10:23:31 PM
Post by: webny99 on September 23, 2021, 10:23:31 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 23, 2021, 09:23:19 PM
AL playoff race coming down to the absolute wire. I kind of want the Mariners to make it but that seems unlikely.
Only a 6% chance per FiveThirtyEight:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-mlb-predictions/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on September 23, 2021, 11:48:27 PM
Post by: Alps on September 23, 2021, 11:48:27 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 23, 2021, 09:23:19 PMI would take any of the 3 other teams that you did not mention.
AL playoff race coming down to the absolute wire. I kind of want the Mariners to make it but that seems unlikely. Go Red Sox!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 24, 2021, 09:33:14 AM
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 24, 2021, 09:33:14 AM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on September 23, 2021, 04:26:45 PM
I'm also pleased to see the Brewers clinch theirs too.
Actually, we're still working on that. :angry:
Fucking Cards.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tchafe1978 on September 24, 2021, 10:19:39 AM
Post by: tchafe1978 on September 24, 2021, 10:19:39 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on September 24, 2021, 09:33:14 AMQuote from: kevinb1994 on September 23, 2021, 04:26:45 PM
I'm also pleased to see the Brewers clinch theirs too.
Actually, we're still working on that. :angry:
Fucking Cards.
Yup, Brewers magic number remains at 3 for the division, thanks to the red hot Cardinals and their sweep of the Brewers. The Brewers will get it, they just happened to run into a red hot team at the wrong time. Oh well, maybe this way the Cardinals and Brewers each get their respective streaks out of the way before the playoffs!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 24, 2021, 11:58:46 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 24, 2021, 11:58:46 AM
I'd love to see the Blue Jays and Mariners make the playoffs especially over the Red Sox and Yankees.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on September 24, 2021, 12:19:09 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on September 24, 2021, 12:19:09 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 24, 2021, 11:58:46 AM
I'd love to see the Blue Jaysandor Mariners make the playoffs especially over theRed Sox andYankees.
FTFY
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 24, 2021, 01:53:57 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 24, 2021, 01:53:57 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 24, 2021, 12:19:09 PMNah it was right the first time.Quote from: Flint1979 on September 24, 2021, 11:58:46 AM
I'd love to see the Blue Jaysandor Mariners make the playoffs especially over theRed Sox andYankees.
FTFY
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on September 25, 2021, 02:05:35 AM
Post by: Alps on September 25, 2021, 02:05:35 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 24, 2021, 11:58:46 AM
I'd love to see the Red Sox fold the franchise and Boston fall into the sea.
FTFY
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on September 25, 2021, 02:06:11 AM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on September 25, 2021, 02:06:11 AM
Quote from: Alps on September 25, 2021, 02:05:35 AMYour state is just a shittier New York CityQuote from: Flint1979 on September 24, 2021, 11:58:46 AM
I'd love to see the Red Sox fold the franchise and Boston fall into the sea.
FTFY
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on September 25, 2021, 08:27:14 AM
Post by: hotdogPi on September 25, 2021, 08:27:14 AM
Quote from: Alps on September 25, 2021, 02:05:35 AMQuote from: Flint1979 on September 24, 2021, 11:58:46 AM
I'd love to see the Red Sox fold the franchise and Boston fall into the sea.
FTFY
An entire major city shouldn't cease to exist due to not liking a sports team. Foxborough would be more appropriate for your comment (with a snowstorm, since it doesn't touch the ocean) – the town isn't known for anything else, and the Patriots have had scandals instead of it just being a personal dislike.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 25, 2021, 11:45:26 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 25, 2021, 11:45:26 AM
Quote from: Alps on September 25, 2021, 02:05:35 AMEhh I'm not taking anything out on the city of Boston just the sports teams. The Red Sox have become what they hate and that's the Yankees.Quote from: Flint1979 on September 24, 2021, 11:58:46 AM
I'd love to see the Red Sox fold the franchise and Boston fall into the sea.
FTFY
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 25, 2021, 11:47:26 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 25, 2021, 11:47:26 AM
Quote from: 1 on September 25, 2021, 08:27:14 AMCleveland fits the definition here. I'd love to see that city cease to exist and I hate their sports teams.Quote from: Alps on September 25, 2021, 02:05:35 AMQuote from: Flint1979 on September 24, 2021, 11:58:46 AM
I'd love to see the Red Sox fold the franchise and Boston fall into the sea.
FTFY
An entire major city shouldn't cease to exist due to not liking a sports team. Foxborough would be more appropriate for your comment (with a snowstorm, since it doesn't touch the ocean) – the town isn't known for anything else, and the Patriots have had scandals instead of it just being a personal dislike.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on September 25, 2021, 12:36:20 PM
Post by: Alps on September 25, 2021, 12:36:20 PM
Quote from: 1 on September 25, 2021, 08:27:14 AMI don't think you fully appreciate sports hateQuote from: Alps on September 25, 2021, 02:05:35 AMQuote from: Flint1979 on September 24, 2021, 11:58:46 AM
I'd love to see the Red Sox fold the franchise and Boston fall into the sea.
FTFY
An entire major city shouldn't cease to exist due to not liking a sports team. Foxborough would be more appropriate for your comment (with a snowstorm, since it doesn't touch the ocean) – the town isn't known for anything else, and the Patriots have had scandals instead of it just being a personal dislike.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on September 25, 2021, 02:05:44 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on September 25, 2021, 02:05:44 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 25, 2021, 11:47:26 AMThat's funny coming from someone from Flint.Quote from: 1 on September 25, 2021, 08:27:14 AMCleveland fits the definition here. I'd love to see that city cease to exist and I hate their sports teams.Quote from: Alps on September 25, 2021, 02:05:35 AMQuote from: Flint1979 on September 24, 2021, 11:58:46 AM
I'd love to see the Red Sox fold the franchise and Boston fall into the sea.
FTFY
An entire major city shouldn't cease to exist due to not liking a sports team. Foxborough would be more appropriate for your comment (with a snowstorm, since it doesn't touch the ocean) – the town isn't known for anything else, and the Patriots have had scandals instead of it just being a personal dislike.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 25, 2021, 04:01:21 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 25, 2021, 04:01:21 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 25, 2021, 02:05:44 PMMy opinions of other cities have nothing to do with Flint.Quote from: Flint1979 on September 25, 2021, 11:47:26 AMThat's funny coming from someone from Flint.Quote from: 1 on September 25, 2021, 08:27:14 AMCleveland fits the definition here. I'd love to see that city cease to exist and I hate their sports teams.Quote from: Alps on September 25, 2021, 02:05:35 AMQuote from: Flint1979 on September 24, 2021, 11:58:46 AM
I'd love to see the Red Sox fold the franchise and Boston fall into the sea.
FTFY
An entire major city shouldn't cease to exist due to not liking a sports team. Foxborough would be more appropriate for your comment (with a snowstorm, since it doesn't touch the ocean) – the town isn't known for anything else, and the Patriots have had scandals instead of it just being a personal dislike.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on September 25, 2021, 04:23:31 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on September 25, 2021, 04:23:31 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 25, 2021, 04:01:21 PMYou're just jealous that Massachusetts is the richest state and you are stuck in Michigan with shitty sports teams, shitty weather, and an economy in the gutter.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 25, 2021, 02:05:44 PMMy opinions of other cities have nothing to do with Flint.Quote from: Flint1979 on September 25, 2021, 11:47:26 AMThat's funny coming from someone from Flint.Quote from: 1 on September 25, 2021, 08:27:14 AMCleveland fits the definition here. I'd love to see that city cease to exist and I hate their sports teams.Quote from: Alps on September 25, 2021, 02:05:35 AMQuote from: Flint1979 on September 24, 2021, 11:58:46 AM
I'd love to see the Red Sox fold the franchise and Boston fall into the sea.
FTFY
An entire major city shouldn't cease to exist due to not liking a sports team. Foxborough would be more appropriate for your comment (with a snowstorm, since it doesn't touch the ocean) – the town isn't known for anything else, and the Patriots have had scandals instead of it just being a personal dislike.
:-D :-D
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 25, 2021, 05:28:17 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 25, 2021, 05:28:17 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 25, 2021, 04:23:31 PMI've been to Massachusetts it's ok but nothing special. I'm not stuck in Michigan either I leave the state often and my sports teams aren't here either. New England gets the same shitty weather also everything is fine with me. The state doesn't reflect me at all.Quote from: Flint1979 on September 25, 2021, 04:01:21 PMYou're just jealous that Massachusetts is the richest state and you are stuck in Michigan with shitty sports teams, shitty weather, and an economy in the gutter.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 25, 2021, 02:05:44 PMMy opinions of other cities have nothing to do with Flint.Quote from: Flint1979 on September 25, 2021, 11:47:26 AMThat's funny coming from someone from Flint.Quote from: 1 on September 25, 2021, 08:27:14 AMCleveland fits the definition here. I'd love to see that city cease to exist and I hate their sports teams.Quote from: Alps on September 25, 2021, 02:05:35 AMQuote from: Flint1979 on September 24, 2021, 11:58:46 AM
I'd love to see the Red Sox fold the franchise and Boston fall into the sea.
FTFY
An entire major city shouldn't cease to exist due to not liking a sports team. Foxborough would be more appropriate for your comment (with a snowstorm, since it doesn't touch the ocean) – the town isn't known for anything else, and the Patriots have had scandals instead of it just being a personal dislike.
:-D :-D
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on September 25, 2021, 05:29:22 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on September 25, 2021, 05:29:22 PM
Also why have the Cardinals quit losing?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 25, 2021, 05:31:36 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 25, 2021, 05:31:36 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 25, 2021, 05:29:22 PMNot sure but I remember that 22 game winning streak Cleveland went on a few years ago and wondered when the hell they'd finally lose.
Also why have the Cardinals quit losing?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 25, 2021, 05:40:54 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 25, 2021, 05:40:54 PM
Quote from: Alps on September 25, 2021, 12:36:20 PMQuote from: 1 on September 25, 2021, 08:27:14 AMI don't think you fully appreciate sports hateQuote from: Alps on September 25, 2021, 02:05:35 AMQuote from: Flint1979 on September 24, 2021, 11:58:46 AM
I'd love to see the Red Sox fold the franchise and Boston fall into the sea.
FTFY
An entire major city shouldn't cease to exist due to not liking a sports team. Foxborough would be more appropriate for your comment (with a snowstorm, since it doesn't touch the ocean) – the town isn't known for anything else, and the Patriots have had scandals instead of it just being a personal dislike.
To expand on that thought: before ESPN, everybody hated the Yankees and Cowboys. Then ESPN came around and was staffed almost entirely by Boston sports fans. As the Red Sox and Patriots got good, that's all you ever heard about on ESPN. The rest of the country outside of New England quickly got sick and tired of hearing about those teams.
When you add in that David Ortiz failed a steroids test and the Patriots pretty much got away scot-free with cheating, and yeah, the rest of the country really hates Boston sports.
The only thing that never really changed is that Boston College is still the #1 destination for kids who got wait-listed at Notre Dame.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 25, 2021, 05:54:48 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 25, 2021, 05:54:48 PM
The Bruins never really bothered me but they have Jack Edwards for an announcer so there's that.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on September 26, 2021, 01:59:10 AM
Post by: Alps on September 26, 2021, 01:59:10 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 25, 2021, 05:40:54 PMOddly I'm a BC fan. They were good when I was up there and I didn't have a rival fandom.Quote from: Alps on September 25, 2021, 12:36:20 PMQuote from: 1 on September 25, 2021, 08:27:14 AMI don't think you fully appreciate sports hateQuote from: Alps on September 25, 2021, 02:05:35 AMQuote from: Flint1979 on September 24, 2021, 11:58:46 AM
I'd love to see the Red Sox fold the franchise and Boston fall into the sea.
FTFY
An entire major city shouldn't cease to exist due to not liking a sports team. Foxborough would be more appropriate for your comment (with a snowstorm, since it doesn't touch the ocean) – the town isn't known for anything else, and the Patriots have had scandals instead of it just being a personal dislike.
To expand on that thought: before ESPN, everybody hated the Yankees and Cowboys. Then ESPN came around and was staffed almost entirely by Boston sports fans. As the Red Sox and Patriots got good, that's all you ever heard about on ESPN. The rest of the country outside of New England quickly got sick and tired of hearing about those teams.
When you add in that David Ortiz failed a steroids test and the Patriots pretty much got away scot-free with cheating, and yeah, the rest of the country really hates Boston sports.
The only thing that never really changed is that Boston College is still the #1 destination for kids who got wait-listed at Notre Dame.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 27, 2021, 11:34:09 AM
Post by: Henry on September 27, 2021, 11:34:09 AM
The bad news: No Cubs in the postseason
The good news: The White Sox made it; I was happy for them when they won the 2005 Series
The good news: The White Sox made it; I was happy for them when they won the 2005 Series
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on September 27, 2021, 02:36:08 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on September 27, 2021, 02:36:08 PM
Now to wait for Giants and/or Dodger fans complaining they have to play a winner takes all game vs the Cards if the don't win the division.
And after that winner takes all Wild Card game cue the griping that the 100+ wins winner of the NL West for the NLDS either plays another 100+ wins team or the hottest team in baseball, and the Brewers gets to play NL East winner who will have worst NL record of any team in the NL playoffs at that point(Cards being the 2nd wildcard really have no right to gripe IMO in the NLDS in how this is all seeded......feeling the "Maybe next time win your division" will be used quite a bit soon
And after that winner takes all Wild Card game cue the griping that the 100+ wins winner of the NL West for the NLDS either plays another 100+ wins team or the hottest team in baseball, and the Brewers gets to play NL East winner who will have worst NL record of any team in the NL playoffs at that point(Cards being the 2nd wildcard really have no right to gripe IMO in the NLDS in how this is all seeded......feeling the "Maybe next time win your division" will be used quite a bit soon
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 27, 2021, 02:38:20 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 27, 2021, 02:38:20 PM
Quote from: gr8daynegb on September 27, 2021, 02:36:08 PM
Now to wait for Giants and/or Dodger fans complaining they have to play a winner takes all game vs the Cards if the don't win the division.
And after that winner takes all Wild Card game cue the griping that the 100+ wins winner of the NL West for the NLDS either plays another 100+ wins team or the hottest team in baseball, and the Brewers gets to play NL East winner who will have worst NL record of any team in the NL playoffs at that point(Cards being the 2nd wildcard really have no right to gripe IMO in the NLDS in how this is all seeded......feeling the "Maybe next time win your division" will be used quite a bit soon
The other side of that coin is that the NL West winner gets to play a team who had to burn their best starting pitcher to win the wild card game, where the Brewers will face a team who doesn't have to do that.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on September 27, 2021, 02:39:23 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on September 27, 2021, 02:39:23 PM
Quote from: gr8daynegb on September 27, 2021, 02:36:08 PMIn my opinion, the MLB should add a third wild card team and do a best of 3 wild card round with seeds 3-6 and then do a best of 7 DS CS and WS. Kind of like the old MLB playoff format. The easiest would be to go to 8 teams per conference but that's a lot of teams.
Now to wait for Giants and/or Dodger fans complaining they have to play a winner takes all game vs the Cards if the don't win the division.
And after that winner takes all Wild Card game cue the griping that the 100+ wins winner of the NL West for the NLDS either plays another 100+ wins team or the hottest team in baseball, and the Brewers gets to play NL East winner who will have worst NL record of any team in the NL playoffs at that point(Cards being the 2nd wildcard really have no right to gripe IMO in the NLDS in how this is all seeded......feeling the "Maybe next time win your division" will be used quite a bit soon
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 27, 2021, 05:54:16 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 27, 2021, 05:54:16 PM
Yech, the expansion to 2 wild card teams was superfluous enough.
Under the old system, LA and SF would have best of 5 series in round one this year and that would have been entertaining.
Nice to see MKE finally wrap up the division.
But what is the deal with StL? Seems like every season, no matter how shitty they are most of the year, somehow they're always sniffing around come September. It's really annoying.
I guess it was just to show the Yankees what time of year to go on a streak. :-P
Under the old system, LA and SF would have best of 5 series in round one this year and that would have been entertaining.
Nice to see MKE finally wrap up the division.
But what is the deal with StL? Seems like every season, no matter how shitty they are most of the year, somehow they're always sniffing around come September. It's really annoying.
I guess it was just to show the Yankees what time of year to go on a streak. :-P
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on September 27, 2021, 06:48:13 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on September 27, 2021, 06:48:13 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on September 27, 2021, 05:54:16 PMFour teams per conference making the playoffs is neater I will admit, but it's way too little. Some teams with high 90s wins would miss out, like the 97 win 2015 Cubs. That shouldn't happen especially when the 83 win Cardinals won the world series in 2006.
Yech, the expansion to 2 wild card teams was superfluous enough.
Under the old system, LA and SF would have best of 5 series in round one this year and that would have been entertaining.
Nice to see MKE finally wrap up the division.
But what is the deal with StL? Seems like every season, no matter how shitty they are most of the year, somehow they're always sniffing around come September. It's really annoying.
I guess it was just to show the Yankees what time of year to go on a streak. :-P
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on September 27, 2021, 06:49:50 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on September 27, 2021, 06:49:50 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 27, 2021, 02:39:23 PMQuote from: gr8daynegb on September 27, 2021, 02:36:08 PMIn my opinion, the MLB should add a third wild card team and do a best of 3 wild card round with seeds 3-6 and then do a best of 7 DS CS and WS. Kind of like the old MLB playoff format. The easiest would be to go to 8 teams per conference but that's a lot of teams.
Now to wait for Giants and/or Dodger fans complaining they have to play a winner takes all game vs the Cards if the don't win the division.
And after that winner takes all Wild Card game cue the griping that the 100+ wins winner of the NL West for the NLDS either plays another 100+ wins team or the hottest team in baseball, and the Brewers gets to play NL East winner who will have worst NL record of any team in the NL playoffs at that point(Cards being the 2nd wildcard really have no right to gripe IMO in the NLDS in how this is all seeded......feeling the "Maybe next time win your division" will be used quite a bit soon
I think 10 teams making it the the playoff as setup right now is about as far as I'd go.
I'd be more for the 8 team playoff(3 division winners, 1 wildcard each league) before the expansion but so far the 10 team playoffs is getting the desired results of making winning the division as what your team strives to do.
This will be a playoffs the Giants and Dodgers will whine about as:
#1- Brewers(3rd best record) and Cardinals(2nd Wildcard most likely) will have plenty of time to alter rotations to what they want for the playoffs and Dodgers and Giants have to likely play their best for the rest of the season(and maybe a game 163.
#2- A 100+ win team could be done after one playoff game(Networks will push if LA gets eliminated.....no Scherzer, Kershaw etc etc)
#3- The winner of the NL West gets to play another 100+ wins team or Cardinals as hottest team in MLB and there is no reseeding based on records.
But many will say system works for lot of same reasons. NL West keeps those teams playing instead of being on autopilot(the pressure of best of 5 vs best of 1). Under old system Cardinals would not kept playing as hard.
Could be worse for all teams if we went pre mid 1990's and was only East and West in the AL and NL and only the division winner went........I still remember Lasorda with his old school Dodger blue roots cheering a Dodgers win on game 162 vs the Giants keeping that years 100+ win team out of the playoffs
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 27, 2021, 08:53:44 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 27, 2021, 08:53:44 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 27, 2021, 06:48:13 PMWell I can remember the 1993 San Francisco Giants missing out because wild card didn't exist until the next season which didn't have a playoff due to a strike and they won 103 games, the Braves won 104 and won the NL West that year.Quote from: triplemultiplex on September 27, 2021, 05:54:16 PMFour teams per conference making the playoffs is neater I will admit, but it's way too little. Some teams with high 90s wins would miss out, like the 97 win 2015 Cubs. That shouldn't happen especially when the 83 win Cardinals won the world series in 2006.
Yech, the expansion to 2 wild card teams was superfluous enough.
Under the old system, LA and SF would have best of 5 series in round one this year and that would have been entertaining.
Nice to see MKE finally wrap up the division.
But what is the deal with StL? Seems like every season, no matter how shitty they are most of the year, somehow they're always sniffing around come September. It's really annoying.
I guess it was just to show the Yankees what time of year to go on a streak. :-P
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 27, 2021, 08:59:00 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 27, 2021, 08:59:00 PM
And we don't want to make it so that half the teams in the league make the playoffs. 5 is enough from each league. I wish that the best team from each league played in the World Series like before 1969 then we'd really see who the best team was. All it takes is a team getting hot at the right time really instead of the true best team winning. The team with the 10th best record in the playoffs could win the World Series but over the course of the regular season (a 162 game sample size) they weren't the best team not but they got hot in October and won the World Series. Go figure.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tchafe1978 on September 27, 2021, 10:44:49 PM
Post by: tchafe1978 on September 27, 2021, 10:44:49 PM
I think 5 from each league is enough, but what I do think should be implemented from last year is to make the wild card round into a best of 3 series. The one and done of the current wild card goes against the idea that a baseball season is a marathon, not a sprint, and to suddenly have to play a one and done defeats that.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on September 28, 2021, 12:25:13 AM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on September 28, 2021, 12:25:13 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 27, 2021, 08:59:00 PMSo you want to eliminate the playoffs? That would make 95% of the teams stop caring by August and make the MLB a lot more boring. Not to mention the lost revenue. That would basically kill of baseball forever.
And we don't want to make it so that half the teams in the league make the playoffs. 5 is enough from each league. I wish that the best team from each league played in the World Series like before 1969 then we'd really see who the best team was. All it takes is a team getting hot at the right time really instead of the true best team winning. The team with the 10th best record in the playoffs could win the World Series but over the course of the regular season (a 162 game sample size) they weren't the best team not but they got hot in October and won the World Series. Go figure.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Bruce on September 28, 2021, 01:09:03 AM
Post by: Bruce on September 28, 2021, 01:09:03 AM
So uhh...could the Mariners actually break the curse?
I wasn't old enough for playoff baseball the last time they were in, so this will be new to me.
I wasn't old enough for playoff baseball the last time they were in, so this will be new to me.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on September 28, 2021, 01:59:34 AM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on September 28, 2021, 01:59:34 AM
Quote from: Bruce on September 28, 2021, 01:09:03 AM
So uhh...could the Mariners actually break the curse?
I wasn't old enough for playoff baseball the last time they were in, so this will be new to me.
If the Red Sox keep partying like it's 1978 or 2011, it's a possibility.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 28, 2021, 11:23:41 AM
Post by: Henry on September 28, 2021, 11:23:41 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 28, 2021, 12:25:13 AMBesides, it's not 1932. Back then, there were only 16 teams, and the top team in each league automatically advanced to the World Series. But now there are 30 teams, and the postseason is a necessity. It gives more variety, and opens the Fall Classic to endless possibilities. While I agree that there can be too much of a good thing (as an expanded playoff field would show), we can't go back to the way it was a century ago either. What worked then will not work now.Quote from: Flint1979 on September 27, 2021, 08:59:00 PMSo you want to eliminate the playoffs? That would make 95% of the teams stop caring by August and make the MLB a lot more boring. Not to mention the lost revenue. That would basically kill of baseball forever.
And we don't want to make it so that half the teams in the league make the playoffs. 5 is enough from each league. I wish that the best team from each league played in the World Series like before 1969 then we'd really see who the best team was. All it takes is a team getting hot at the right time really instead of the true best team winning. The team with the 10th best record in the playoffs could win the World Series but over the course of the regular season (a 162 game sample size) they weren't the best team not but they got hot in October and won the World Series. Go figure.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 28, 2021, 01:54:52 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 28, 2021, 01:54:52 PM
Quote from: Henry on September 28, 2021, 11:23:41 AMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on September 28, 2021, 12:25:13 AMBesides, it's not 1932. Back then, there were only 16 teams, and the top team in each league automatically advanced to the World Series. But now there are 30 teams, and the postseason is a necessity. It gives more variety, and opens the Fall Classic to endless possibilities. While I agree that there can be too much of a good thing (as an expanded playoff field would show), we can't go back to the way it was a century ago either. What worked then will not work now.Quote from: Flint1979 on September 27, 2021, 08:59:00 PMSo you want to eliminate the playoffs? That would make 95% of the teams stop caring by August and make the MLB a lot more boring. Not to mention the lost revenue. That would basically kill of baseball forever.
And we don't want to make it so that half the teams in the league make the playoffs. 5 is enough from each league. I wish that the best team from each league played in the World Series like before 1969 then we'd really see who the best team was. All it takes is a team getting hot at the right time really instead of the true best team winning. The team with the 10th best record in the playoffs could win the World Series but over the course of the regular season (a 162 game sample size) they weren't the best team not but they got hot in October and won the World Series. Go figure.
How about a shorter season but longer playoffs like in hockey?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on September 28, 2021, 02:04:14 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on September 28, 2021, 02:04:14 PM
162 game regular season and the playoffs as is are fine.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: I-39 on September 28, 2021, 02:38:24 PM
Post by: I-39 on September 28, 2021, 02:38:24 PM
Quote from: gr8daynegb on September 28, 2021, 02:04:14 PM
162 game regular season and the playoffs as is are fine.
No, the regular season is too long. Cut out the month of April, start the regular season in May, end the season on September 30th.
Playoffs are fine and do not need expansion. Expanding the playoffs draws things out and reduces the incentive to get better (see the NBA).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on September 28, 2021, 03:56:04 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on September 28, 2021, 03:56:04 PM
I do agree with shortening the regular season. Who has time to watch 162 games? 150 is enough IMO.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 28, 2021, 04:41:17 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 28, 2021, 04:41:17 PM
With the TV money involved, shortening the season is only going to happen if the playoffs are expanded. The current collective bargaining agreement expires at the end of this season, so we'll see what they come up with. My guess is you end up with what we had in 2020, with 8 playoff teams in each league with the higher seed hosting all 3 games of a best of 3. That still incentivizes winning your division quite a bit.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 28, 2021, 05:08:46 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 28, 2021, 05:08:46 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 28, 2021, 01:59:34 AMThey were doing alright until they got swept by the Yankees which I don't mind seeing at all.Quote from: Bruce on September 28, 2021, 01:09:03 AM
So uhh...could the Mariners actually break the curse?
I wasn't old enough for playoff baseball the last time they were in, so this will be new to me.
If the Red Sox keep partying like it's 1978 or 2011, it's a possibility.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on September 28, 2021, 05:12:41 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on September 28, 2021, 05:12:41 PM
Big issue with shortening the season is players salaries are based on the regular season, not the playoffs as playoffs handled by a separate playoffs pool. So if the regular season is to be shortened either then either lost revenue will then be pushed to fans via price increases, or players have to be willing to take a pay cut based on percentage of games not played.
Players don't give back money unless backed into such a PR corner that they have to just to save face(think back to how the original PED suspensions were a joke and once in front of congress the players union and the owners once that was brought to them then all of a sudden the 50/100/150+ game suspensions came into play.
Players don't give back money unless backed into such a PR corner that they have to just to save face(think back to how the original PED suspensions were a joke and once in front of congress the players union and the owners once that was brought to them then all of a sudden the 50/100/150+ game suspensions came into play.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 28, 2021, 05:19:00 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 28, 2021, 05:19:00 PM
Quote from: gr8daynegb on September 28, 2021, 05:12:41 PM
Big issue with shortening the season is players salaries are based on the regular season, not the playoffs as playoffs handled by a separate playoffs pool. So if the regular season is to be shortened either then either lost revenue will then be pushed to fans via price increases, or players have to be willing to take a pay cut based on percentage of games not played.
Players don't give back money unless backed into such a PR corner that they have to just to save face(think back to how the original PED suspensions were a joke and once in front of congress the players union and the owners once that was brought to them then all of a sudden the 50/100/150+ game suspensions came into play.
Playoff TV money is shared among all teams, not just playoff teams, and the added TV revenue from additional playoff games would make up for lost revenue of a dozen or so regular season games.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on September 29, 2021, 06:57:30 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on September 29, 2021, 06:57:30 PM
Dumb injuries in baseball!!!..........baseball
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/brewers-pitcher-devin-williams-likely-to-miss-playoffs-after-breaking-his-hand-punching-a-wall/ar-AAOYeDq?ocid=msedgntphdr
earlier part of story:
ST. LOUIS – The Milwaukee Brewers' postseason chances took a huge hit Wednesday, when it was learned that setup man Devin Williams will have to undergo surgery on his fractured right throwing hand.
President of baseball operations David Stearns said Williams likely will require surgery to place a plate in his hand to help repair the fracture, and that the injury "is likely to keep him out for the remainder of the season."
Williams told reporters before Wednesday's game that the injury was self-inflicted — he punched a wall out of anger after having "a few drinks" following Sunday's celebration of the team clinching the National League Central.
"After our celebration, I went out to have a few drinks and on my way home I was a little frustrated, upset, and I punched a wall," Williams said. "That's how it happened.
"I'm pretty upset with myself. There's no one to blame but me. I feel like I've let the team down, the coaching staff, the fans, everyone. I know how big a role that I play on this team and there's a lot of people counting on me.
Now us Brewers fans will want to wrap Hader in Bubble wrap to prevent same thing......or Brewers will need non-alcoholic champagne celebrations from here on out
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/brewers-pitcher-devin-williams-likely-to-miss-playoffs-after-breaking-his-hand-punching-a-wall/ar-AAOYeDq?ocid=msedgntphdr
earlier part of story:
ST. LOUIS – The Milwaukee Brewers' postseason chances took a huge hit Wednesday, when it was learned that setup man Devin Williams will have to undergo surgery on his fractured right throwing hand.
President of baseball operations David Stearns said Williams likely will require surgery to place a plate in his hand to help repair the fracture, and that the injury "is likely to keep him out for the remainder of the season."
Williams told reporters before Wednesday's game that the injury was self-inflicted — he punched a wall out of anger after having "a few drinks" following Sunday's celebration of the team clinching the National League Central.
"After our celebration, I went out to have a few drinks and on my way home I was a little frustrated, upset, and I punched a wall," Williams said. "That's how it happened.
"I'm pretty upset with myself. There's no one to blame but me. I feel like I've let the team down, the coaching staff, the fans, everyone. I know how big a role that I play on this team and there's a lot of people counting on me.
Now us Brewers fans will want to wrap Hader in Bubble wrap to prevent same thing......or Brewers will need non-alcoholic champagne celebrations from here on out
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2021, 09:30:30 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2021, 09:30:30 PM
The Red Sox need to win tonight... it's a shame because I want the Mariners to make the playoffs but not at the expense of the Red Sox.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Bruce on September 30, 2021, 12:51:12 AM
Post by: Bruce on September 30, 2021, 12:51:12 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2021, 09:30:30 PM
The Red Sox need to win tonight... it's a shame because I want the Mariners to make the playoffs but not at the expense of the Red Sox.
The Ms haven't been to the playoffs since before you were born.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 02:40:33 AM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 02:40:33 AM
Quote from: Bruce on September 30, 2021, 12:51:12 AMAbout half of UMass undergrads were born after the Mariners last playoff appearance.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 29, 2021, 09:30:30 PM
The Red Sox need to win tonight... it's a shame because I want the Mariners to make the playoffs but not at the expense of the Red Sox.
The Ms haven't been to the playoffs since before you were born.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 07:44:34 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 07:44:34 AM
Hopefully the playoffs for the AL include obviously the White Sox, Rays, Astros as well as the Yankees and Mariners. I'll take the Yankees over the Red Sox.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: webny99 on September 30, 2021, 08:03:26 AM
Post by: webny99 on September 30, 2021, 08:03:26 AM
I don't follow MLB very closely but I kind of wanted the Blue Jays to make the playoffs. They felt almost like a local team after their time in Buffalo. It doesn't seem very likely now though.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 08:12:26 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 08:12:26 AM
Quote from: webny99 on September 30, 2021, 08:03:26 AMThey are only a game behind the Red Sox. It'd be nice to see them make it over Boston. We've had enough of Boston winning for awhile.
I don't follow MLB very closely but I kind of wanted the Blue Jays to make the playoffs. They felt almost like a local team after their time in Buffalo. It doesn't seem very likely now though.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 08:21:45 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 08:21:45 AM
I remember in 2004 when the Red Sox and Yankees were playing in the ALCS. I had the game on the radio and was rooting for the Yankees. I remember I was getting off I-75 onto I-675 when I figured out the score was 19-8 Yankees and this was game 3 and they went up 3-0 and I'm thinking cool one more game and Boston's gone. Game 4 the Yankees had the lead 4-3 going into the bottom of the 9th with Rivera on the mound who almost never screwed up in the playoffs, then Rivera walks Kevin Millar and Dave Roberts pinch runs and steals second, a Bill Mueller (who won the batting title in 2003) gets a base hit to score Roberts and the game is tied. Skip ahead a few innings and that big fat gorilla named David Ortiz hit a walk off home run to win the game.
Then the next night Rivera blew another save. It was almost like the previous night Millar walks, Roberts pinch runs but didn't steal second instead Trot Nixon first to thirds him and he scores on a Jason Varitek sac fly. Then skip ahead a few more innings and Ortiz gets a walk off single.
The next game was the Curt Schilling bloody sock game, then game 7 the Red Sox routed the Yankees winning 10-3. I remember all of it.
Then the next night Rivera blew another save. It was almost like the previous night Millar walks, Roberts pinch runs but didn't steal second instead Trot Nixon first to thirds him and he scores on a Jason Varitek sac fly. Then skip ahead a few more innings and Ortiz gets a walk off single.
The next game was the Curt Schilling bloody sock game, then game 7 the Red Sox routed the Yankees winning 10-3. I remember all of it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 30, 2021, 08:22:03 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 30, 2021, 08:22:03 AM
The current wild card standings have the Yankees leading Boston by 1, Seattle by 1.5 and Toronto by 2. The top two teams get in. Seattle has 3 games left and the others have 4.
If there is a 2-way tie for the top 2 spots, then both teams are in and the winner of the season series hosts the wild card game. If there is a 3 or 4 way tie (this is possible) for the top 2 spots, or a tie for the second spot, tiebreaker games are played to determine who gets in.
If there is a 2-way tie for the top 2 spots, then both teams are in and the winner of the season series hosts the wild card game. If there is a 3 or 4 way tie (this is possible) for the top 2 spots, or a tie for the second spot, tiebreaker games are played to determine who gets in.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on September 30, 2021, 08:23:29 AM
Post by: hotdogPi on September 30, 2021, 08:23:29 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 08:21:45 AM
I had the game on the radio and was rooting for the Yankees.
Any reason why? While I was too young to remember it, I would think that 2004 Red Sox was like 2016 Cubs: pretty much everyone except the opposing team wants the losing streak to break.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 10:31:23 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 10:31:23 AM
Quote from: 1 on September 30, 2021, 08:23:29 AMBecause I hate the Red Sox. I've hated them for years. The Yankees winning didn't bother me. And then the way their fans have acted since then is top notch annoying.Quote from: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 08:21:45 AM
I had the game on the radio and was rooting for the Yankees.
Any reason why? While I was too young to remember it, I would think that 2004 Red Sox was like 2016 Cubs: pretty much everyone except the opposing team wants the losing streak to break.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 30, 2021, 10:35:10 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 30, 2021, 10:35:10 AM
As a fan of a potential AL playoff opponent, I 100% want to see the Red Sox over the Yankees.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: webny99 on September 30, 2021, 10:37:06 AM
Post by: webny99 on September 30, 2021, 10:37:06 AM
Is there any chance that the Blue Jays and Mariners both make it, and Red Sox and Yankees both miss out?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 30, 2021, 10:47:40 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 30, 2021, 10:47:40 AM
Quote from: webny99 on September 30, 2021, 10:37:06 AM
Is there any chance that the Blue Jays and Mariners both make it, and Red Sox and Yankees both miss out?
Remaining games:
Yankees: 1 at Blue Jays, 3 vs Rays
Red Sox: 1 at Orioles, 3 at Nationals
Mariners: 3 vs Angels
Blue Jays: 1 vs Yankees, 3 Orioles
Blue Jays beating the Yankees today would go a long way towards that end. Another big question is how much Tampa Bay uses their best players/pitchers against the Yankees as the Rays have locked up the #1 seed in the AL and have nothing to gain by winning any more games. The other three teams all play bad teams and will be favored to win at least 2 out of 3.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 10:48:20 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 10:48:20 AM
Quote from: webny99 on September 30, 2021, 10:37:06 AMIt's possible but I don't know how likely. The Red Sox are in Baltimore right now and then go to Washington to play the Nationals I think they'd have to lose the rest of their games, the Yankees are in Toronto right now so if the Blue Jays beat them it could happen, the Yankees have to play the Rays to finish up the season so they might lose the rest of their games. The Blue Jays play the Orioles in the last series so it's possible they could sweep them since the Orioles suck. The Mariners don't play today and finish up the season at home against the Angels. I think it's possible that the Blue Jays and Mariners can get in.
Is there any chance that the Blue Jays and Mariners both make it, and Red Sox and Yankees both miss out?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 10:51:26 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 10:51:26 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 30, 2021, 10:35:10 AMI would go for that too since the Red Sox have the worst pitching out of the playoff contenders, the Mariners do too but the Mariners don't score runs at an alarming rate which surprises me that they are in contention. It'd be great to see the Red Sox and Yankees both miss the playoffs.
As a fan of a potential AL playoff opponent, I 100% want to see the Red Sox over the Yankees.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 30, 2021, 03:37:44 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 30, 2021, 03:37:44 PM
Quote from: gr8daynegb on September 29, 2021, 06:57:30 PM
Dumb injuries in baseball!!!..........baseball
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/brewers-pitcher-devin-williams-likely-to-miss-playoffs-after-breaking-his-hand-punching-a-wall/ar-AAOYeDq?ocid=msedgntphdr
earlier part of story:
ST. LOUIS – The Milwaukee Brewers' postseason chances took a huge hit Wednesday, when it was learned that setup man Devin Williams will have to undergo surgery on his fractured right throwing hand.
President of baseball operations David Stearns said Williams likely will require surgery to place a plate in his hand to help repair the fracture, and that the injury "is likely to keep him out for the remainder of the season."
Williams told reporters before Wednesday's game that the injury was self-inflicted — he punched a wall out of anger after having "a few drinks" following Sunday's celebration of the team clinching the National League Central.
"After our celebration, I went out to have a few drinks and on my way home I was a little frustrated, upset, and I punched a wall," Williams said. "That's how it happened.
"I'm pretty upset with myself. There's no one to blame but me. I feel like I've let the team down, the coaching staff, the fans, everyone. I know how big a role that I play on this team and there's a lot of people counting on me.
That's even dumber than when Zach Grienke broke a rib playing pick-up basketball in the 2010/11 off season.
But not quite as dumb as this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK81Ej5hm8s
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 04:16:26 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 04:16:26 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on September 30, 2021, 03:37:44 PMAaron Boone did that too about 17 years ago.Quote from: gr8daynegb on September 29, 2021, 06:57:30 PM
Dumb injuries in baseball!!!..........baseball
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/brewers-pitcher-devin-williams-likely-to-miss-playoffs-after-breaking-his-hand-punching-a-wall/ar-AAOYeDq?ocid=msedgntphdr
earlier part of story:
ST. LOUIS – The Milwaukee Brewers' postseason chances took a huge hit Wednesday, when it was learned that setup man Devin Williams will have to undergo surgery on his fractured right throwing hand.
President of baseball operations David Stearns said Williams likely will require surgery to place a plate in his hand to help repair the fracture, and that the injury "is likely to keep him out for the remainder of the season."
Williams told reporters before Wednesday's game that the injury was self-inflicted — he punched a wall out of anger after having "a few drinks" following Sunday's celebration of the team clinching the National League Central.
"After our celebration, I went out to have a few drinks and on my way home I was a little frustrated, upset, and I punched a wall," Williams said. "That's how it happened.
"I'm pretty upset with myself. There's no one to blame but me. I feel like I've let the team down, the coaching staff, the fans, everyone. I know how big a role that I play on this team and there's a lot of people counting on me.
That's even dumber than when Zach Grienke broke a rib playing pick-up basketball in the 2010/11 off season.
But not quite as dumb as this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK81Ej5hm8s
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on September 30, 2021, 11:24:05 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on September 30, 2021, 11:24:05 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 04:16:26 PMQuote from: gr8daynegb on September 29, 2021, 06:57:30 PM
Dumb injuries in baseball!!!..........baseball
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/brewers-pitcher-devin-williams-likely-to-miss-playoffs-after-breaking-his-hand-punching-a-wall/ar-AAOYeDq?ocid=msedgntphdr
earlier part of story:
ST. LOUIS – The Milwaukee Brewers' postseason chances took a huge hit Wednesday, when it was learned that setup man Devin Williams will have to undergo surgery on his fractured right throwing hand.
President of baseball operations David Stearns said Williams likely will require surgery to place a plate in his hand to help repair the fracture, and that the injury "is likely to keep him out for the remainder of the season."
Williams told reporters before Wednesday's game that the injury was self-inflicted — he punched a wall out of anger after having "a few drinks" following Sunday's celebration of the team clinching the National League Central.
"After our celebration, I went out to have a few drinks and on my way home I was a little frustrated, upset, and I punched a wall," Williams said. "That's how it happened.
"I'm pretty upset with myself. There's no one to blame but me. I feel like I've let the team down, the coaching staff, the fans, everyone. I know how big a role that I play on this team and there's a lot of people counting on me.
That's even dumber than when Zach Grienke broke a rib playing pick-up basketball in the 2010/11 off season.
But not quite as dumb as this:
Aaron Boone did that too about 17 years ago.
Which is the only reason why ARod ended up in New York.
Devin Williams pulled a Gus Frerotte. Remember when he scored a TD and ran head first into a wall and sprained his neck?
And after the Red Sox dropped 2 of 3 to a AAA caliber team, they're more dead than Generalissimo Francisco Franco.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 11:35:15 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 11:35:15 PM
Mariners deserve the playoff spot more than we do.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 01, 2021, 12:42:39 AM
Post by: Alps on October 01, 2021, 12:42:39 AM
The Sux are still tied for WC2 with the M's. Of course, the M's are on a relatively hot streak right now, but let's see what we've got:
* Yankees: 2 game lead, 3 against Rays, tough team but already clinched.
* Sux: 3 against Nationals, not playoffs and not even AL, so no incentive to play spoiler
* M's: 3 against Angels, good team that just didn't get it together and same division, so incentive to play spoiler
* Jays: 1 game deficit, 3 against Orioles, terrible team but for some reason causing fits with better teams (Sux)
How does this play out? If I take just the standings, Yankees would win 1/3, Sux would win 3/3, M's would win 2/3, Jays would win 2/3 (or so). Two AL east teams in the wild card. If I look at how teams are doing lately and the factors above, my predictions: every team wins 2/3 in the above list. Yankees secure the first WC (and give me a home game to attend on Tuesday). Sux and M's play off Monday and... depends on the pitching matchup and who gets home field.
* Yankees: 2 game lead, 3 against Rays, tough team but already clinched.
* Sux: 3 against Nationals, not playoffs and not even AL, so no incentive to play spoiler
* M's: 3 against Angels, good team that just didn't get it together and same division, so incentive to play spoiler
* Jays: 1 game deficit, 3 against Orioles, terrible team but for some reason causing fits with better teams (Sux)
How does this play out? If I take just the standings, Yankees would win 1/3, Sux would win 3/3, M's would win 2/3, Jays would win 2/3 (or so). Two AL east teams in the wild card. If I look at how teams are doing lately and the factors above, my predictions: every team wins 2/3 in the above list. Yankees secure the first WC (and give me a home game to attend on Tuesday). Sux and M's play off Monday and... depends on the pitching matchup and who gets home field.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 01, 2021, 08:06:07 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 01, 2021, 08:06:07 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 30, 2021, 11:24:05 PMThat is correct. The Red Sox had a trade all set up to send Manny Ramirez to Texas and A-Rod to Boston. Also going to Texas would have been a real young at the time Jon Lester. But the MLBPA vetoed the deal because of a reduction of salary in A-Rod's contract. Then just before Spring Training was to start for the 2004 season the Rangers traded him to the Yankees for Alfonso Soriano and another player that I can't remember off the top of my head. But keep in mind he was suppose to go to Boston for Manny.Quote from: Flint1979 on September 30, 2021, 04:16:26 PMQuote from: gr8daynegb on September 29, 2021, 06:57:30 PM
Dumb injuries in baseball!!!..........baseball
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/brewers-pitcher-devin-williams-likely-to-miss-playoffs-after-breaking-his-hand-punching-a-wall/ar-AAOYeDq?ocid=msedgntphdr
earlier part of story:
ST. LOUIS – The Milwaukee Brewers' postseason chances took a huge hit Wednesday, when it was learned that setup man Devin Williams will have to undergo surgery on his fractured right throwing hand.
President of baseball operations David Stearns said Williams likely will require surgery to place a plate in his hand to help repair the fracture, and that the injury "is likely to keep him out for the remainder of the season."
Williams told reporters before Wednesday's game that the injury was self-inflicted — he punched a wall out of anger after having "a few drinks" following Sunday's celebration of the team clinching the National League Central.
"After our celebration, I went out to have a few drinks and on my way home I was a little frustrated, upset, and I punched a wall," Williams said. "That's how it happened.
"I'm pretty upset with myself. There's no one to blame but me. I feel like I've let the team down, the coaching staff, the fans, everyone. I know how big a role that I play on this team and there's a lot of people counting on me.
That's even dumber than when Zach Grienke broke a rib playing pick-up basketball in the 2010/11 off season.
But not quite as dumb as this:
Aaron Boone did that too about 17 years ago.
Which is the only reason why ARod ended up in New York.
Devin Williams pulled a Gus Frerotte. Remember when he scored a TD and ran head first into a wall and sprained his neck?
And after the Red Sox dropped 2 of 3 to a AAA caliber team, they're more dead than Generalissimo Francisco Franco.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 01, 2021, 11:46:23 AM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 01, 2021, 11:46:23 AM
Quote from: Alps on October 01, 2021, 12:42:39 AMImagine playing a winner take all game 163 and then a winner take all wild card game.
The Sux are still tied for WC2 with the M's. Of course, the M's are on a relatively hot streak right now, but let's see what we've got:
* Yankees: 2 game lead, 3 against Rays, tough team but already clinched.
* Sux: 3 against Nationals, not playoffs and not even AL, so no incentive to play spoiler
* M's: 3 against Angels, good team that just didn't get it together and same division, so incentive to play spoiler
* Jays: 1 game deficit, 3 against Orioles, terrible team but for some reason causing fits with better teams (Sux)
How does this play out? If I take just the standings, Yankees would win 1/3, Sux would win 3/3, M's would win 2/3, Jays would win 2/3 (or so). Two AL east teams in the wild card. If I look at how teams are doing lately and the factors above, my predictions: every team wins 2/3 in the above list. Yankees secure the first WC (and give me a home game to attend on Tuesday). Sux and M's play off Monday and... depends on the pitching matchup and who gets home field.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: abefroman329 on October 01, 2021, 12:22:15 PM
Post by: abefroman329 on October 01, 2021, 12:22:15 PM
My dad and brother and I got tickets to a White Sox ALDS game to be named later and to an ALCS game to be named later. Neither one is guaranteed to happen, I think both are for a post-Game 4, but it will be exciting if it happens.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 01, 2021, 12:43:57 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 01, 2021, 12:43:57 PM
I went to game 2 of the 2005 World Series the game where Paulie hit a grand slam and Scotty Pods hit a walk off. I got my ticket off this broker I knew in Chicago that I met when I ended up going to a Red Sox-Cubs game earlier in the year since I was in Chicago and the Sox were out of town I think they were in San Diego that weekend if my memory serves me right and I had nothing to do so I went to get these tickets and went to the game. Well now the Sox are in the playoffs and I'm thinking I have to go to at least one game if I can afford it. So I remembered that I got this guys card when I met him and called him up and asked him if he had anything for the Sox game because I had asked him if he did the Sox too. So I got ahold of him early in the day I left here at 4:30 in the morning and got to Chicago a little after 8 central time and he told me he had some tickets for game 2 of the World Series and I told him I wanted one so I met him at Hollywood Grill on North and Ashland and I paid him $100 for an upper deck seat. The game was 4-2 and it was like the 6th inning and I'm thinking this sucks the Sox are losing I came all this way to see them lose I'm too familiar with this. Then they load the bases in the bottom of the 7th and Paulie steps up I just blurted up great time for a grand slam and this was just after a pitching change as Dye was hit to load the bases. I swear the first pitch he hits it out of the ballpark and the stadium started to shake Sox take a 6-4 lead and I'm thinking this is great it took a game that sucked because the Sox were losing to a game that was fun. Jenks pitched the 9th and I'm thinking he's been pretty good we should be up 2-0 after this inning. The Astros had 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs and Jenks allowed a base hit to tie the game. I think Pods was the second hitter of the inning and he had a 1-1 count or 2-1 count on him and then proceeded to hit a walk off homer. A guy that didn't hit a single homer all regular season he hit two in the postseason, one against Boston and one against Houston. I remember Ozzie signaling to the bullpen for Jenks, he had his arms out his sides like give me the fat guy.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 01, 2021, 01:21:39 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 01, 2021, 01:21:39 PM
If the Cardinals go deep in playoffs right to the World Series, will they use the song "Gloria" like the Blues did in 2019?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: abefroman329 on October 01, 2021, 02:41:27 PM
Post by: abefroman329 on October 01, 2021, 02:41:27 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 01, 2021, 12:43:57 PM
I went to game 2 of the 2005 World Series the game where Paulie hit a grand slam and Scotty Pods hit a walk off. I got my ticket off this broker I knew in Chicago that I met when I ended up going to a Red Sox-Cubs game earlier in the year since I was in Chicago and the Sox were out of town I think they were in San Diego that weekend if my memory serves me right and I had nothing to do so I went to get these tickets and went to the game. Well now the Sox are in the playoffs and I'm thinking I have to go to at least one game if I can afford it. So I remembered that I got this guys card when I met him and called him up and asked him if he had anything for the Sox game because I had asked him if he did the Sox too. So I got ahold of him early in the day I left here at 4:30 in the morning and got to Chicago a little after 8 central time and he told me he had some tickets for game 2 of the World Series and I told him I wanted one so I met him at Hollywood Grill on North and Ashland and I paid him $100 for an upper deck seat. The game was 4-2 and it was like the 6th inning and I'm thinking this sucks the Sox are losing I came all this way to see them lose I'm too familiar with this. Then they load the bases in the bottom of the 7th and Paulie steps up I just blurted up great time for a grand slam and this was just after a pitching change as Dye was hit to load the bases. I swear the first pitch he hits it out of the ballpark and the stadium started to shake Sox take a 6-4 lead and I'm thinking this is great it took a game that sucked because the Sox were losing to a game that was fun. Jenks pitched the 9th and I'm thinking he's been pretty good we should be up 2-0 after this inning. The Astros had 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs and Jenks allowed a base hit to tie the game. I think Pods was the second hitter of the inning and he had a 1-1 count or 2-1 count on him and then proceeded to hit a walk off homer. A guy that didn't hit a single homer all regular season he hit two in the postseason, one against Boston and one against Houston. I remember Ozzie signaling to the bullpen for Jenks, he had his arms out his sides like give me the fat guy.
That's great. I wasn't living here, or near here, in 2005 and attending a game would have been out of the question.
Also, $100 is roughly face value for an upper deck ticket to the ALDS/ALCS.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on October 01, 2021, 02:44:07 PM
Post by: CoreySamson on October 01, 2021, 02:44:07 PM
Astros clinch the AL West and will play the White Sox in the playoffs.
Also, go M's! I would really rather see them than the Red Sox or Yankees in the playoffs.
Also, go M's! I would really rather see them than the Red Sox or Yankees in the playoffs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 01, 2021, 03:15:26 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 01, 2021, 03:15:26 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on October 01, 2021, 02:41:27 PMChicago's only 4 and a half hours from me. I've been there tons of times. I've indeed seen a lot of Sox games. I went to games in the old ballpark I miss that place. Comiskey Park was the best.Quote from: Flint1979 on October 01, 2021, 12:43:57 PM
I went to game 2 of the 2005 World Series the game where Paulie hit a grand slam and Scotty Pods hit a walk off. I got my ticket off this broker I knew in Chicago that I met when I ended up going to a Red Sox-Cubs game earlier in the year since I was in Chicago and the Sox were out of town I think they were in San Diego that weekend if my memory serves me right and I had nothing to do so I went to get these tickets and went to the game. Well now the Sox are in the playoffs and I'm thinking I have to go to at least one game if I can afford it. So I remembered that I got this guys card when I met him and called him up and asked him if he had anything for the Sox game because I had asked him if he did the Sox too. So I got ahold of him early in the day I left here at 4:30 in the morning and got to Chicago a little after 8 central time and he told me he had some tickets for game 2 of the World Series and I told him I wanted one so I met him at Hollywood Grill on North and Ashland and I paid him $100 for an upper deck seat. The game was 4-2 and it was like the 6th inning and I'm thinking this sucks the Sox are losing I came all this way to see them lose I'm too familiar with this. Then they load the bases in the bottom of the 7th and Paulie steps up I just blurted up great time for a grand slam and this was just after a pitching change as Dye was hit to load the bases. I swear the first pitch he hits it out of the ballpark and the stadium started to shake Sox take a 6-4 lead and I'm thinking this is great it took a game that sucked because the Sox were losing to a game that was fun. Jenks pitched the 9th and I'm thinking he's been pretty good we should be up 2-0 after this inning. The Astros had 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs and Jenks allowed a base hit to tie the game. I think Pods was the second hitter of the inning and he had a 1-1 count or 2-1 count on him and then proceeded to hit a walk off homer. A guy that didn't hit a single homer all regular season he hit two in the postseason, one against Boston and one against Houston. I remember Ozzie signaling to the bullpen for Jenks, he had his arms out his sides like give me the fat guy.
That's great. I wasn't living here, or near here, in 2005 and attending a game would have been out of the question.
Also, $100 is roughly face value for an upper deck ticket to the ALDS/ALCS.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 01, 2021, 03:56:31 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 01, 2021, 03:56:31 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 01, 2021, 03:15:26 PMQuote from: abefroman329 on October 01, 2021, 02:41:27 PMChicago's only 4 and a half hours from me. I've been there tons of times. I've indeed seen a lot of Sox games. I went to games in the old ballpark I miss that place. Comiskey Park was the best.Quote from: Flint1979 on October 01, 2021, 12:43:57 PM
I went to game 2 of the 2005 World Series the game where Paulie hit a grand slam and Scotty Pods hit a walk off. I got my ticket off this broker I knew in Chicago that I met when I ended up going to a Red Sox-Cubs game earlier in the year since I was in Chicago and the Sox were out of town I think they were in San Diego that weekend if my memory serves me right and I had nothing to do so I went to get these tickets and went to the game. Well now the Sox are in the playoffs and I'm thinking I have to go to at least one game if I can afford it. So I remembered that I got this guys card when I met him and called him up and asked him if he had anything for the Sox game because I had asked him if he did the Sox too. So I got ahold of him early in the day I left here at 4:30 in the morning and got to Chicago a little after 8 central time and he told me he had some tickets for game 2 of the World Series and I told him I wanted one so I met him at Hollywood Grill on North and Ashland and I paid him $100 for an upper deck seat. The game was 4-2 and it was like the 6th inning and I'm thinking this sucks the Sox are losing I came all this way to see them lose I'm too familiar with this. Then they load the bases in the bottom of the 7th and Paulie steps up I just blurted up great time for a grand slam and this was just after a pitching change as Dye was hit to load the bases. I swear the first pitch he hits it out of the ballpark and the stadium started to shake Sox take a 6-4 lead and I'm thinking this is great it took a game that sucked because the Sox were losing to a game that was fun. Jenks pitched the 9th and I'm thinking he's been pretty good we should be up 2-0 after this inning. The Astros had 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs and Jenks allowed a base hit to tie the game. I think Pods was the second hitter of the inning and he had a 1-1 count or 2-1 count on him and then proceeded to hit a walk off homer. A guy that didn't hit a single homer all regular season he hit two in the postseason, one against Boston and one against Houston. I remember Ozzie signaling to the bullpen for Jenks, he had his arms out his sides like give me the fat guy.
That's great. I wasn't living here, or near here, in 2005 and attending a game would have been out of the question.
Also, $100 is roughly face value for an upper deck ticket to the ALDS/ALCS.
Only 13 months of my live have I lived > 4.5 hour drive from Chicago. October 2005 was a part of those 13 months.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 02, 2021, 10:06:36 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 02, 2021, 10:06:36 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 01, 2021, 03:56:31 PMI've always lived within 4 and 1/2 hours of Chicago. It's been fun but I've been to more road games than home games the last few years. I went to Cincinnati, Pittsburgh and Detroit this year. I don't really consider going to Detroit a vacation though.Quote from: Flint1979 on October 01, 2021, 03:15:26 PMQuote from: abefroman329 on October 01, 2021, 02:41:27 PMChicago's only 4 and a half hours from me. I've been there tons of times. I've indeed seen a lot of Sox games. I went to games in the old ballpark I miss that place. Comiskey Park was the best.Quote from: Flint1979 on October 01, 2021, 12:43:57 PM
I went to game 2 of the 2005 World Series the game where Paulie hit a grand slam and Scotty Pods hit a walk off. I got my ticket off this broker I knew in Chicago that I met when I ended up going to a Red Sox-Cubs game earlier in the year since I was in Chicago and the Sox were out of town I think they were in San Diego that weekend if my memory serves me right and I had nothing to do so I went to get these tickets and went to the game. Well now the Sox are in the playoffs and I'm thinking I have to go to at least one game if I can afford it. So I remembered that I got this guys card when I met him and called him up and asked him if he had anything for the Sox game because I had asked him if he did the Sox too. So I got ahold of him early in the day I left here at 4:30 in the morning and got to Chicago a little after 8 central time and he told me he had some tickets for game 2 of the World Series and I told him I wanted one so I met him at Hollywood Grill on North and Ashland and I paid him $100 for an upper deck seat. The game was 4-2 and it was like the 6th inning and I'm thinking this sucks the Sox are losing I came all this way to see them lose I'm too familiar with this. Then they load the bases in the bottom of the 7th and Paulie steps up I just blurted up great time for a grand slam and this was just after a pitching change as Dye was hit to load the bases. I swear the first pitch he hits it out of the ballpark and the stadium started to shake Sox take a 6-4 lead and I'm thinking this is great it took a game that sucked because the Sox were losing to a game that was fun. Jenks pitched the 9th and I'm thinking he's been pretty good we should be up 2-0 after this inning. The Astros had 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs and Jenks allowed a base hit to tie the game. I think Pods was the second hitter of the inning and he had a 1-1 count or 2-1 count on him and then proceeded to hit a walk off homer. A guy that didn't hit a single homer all regular season he hit two in the postseason, one against Boston and one against Houston. I remember Ozzie signaling to the bullpen for Jenks, he had his arms out his sides like give me the fat guy.
That's great. I wasn't living here, or near here, in 2005 and attending a game would have been out of the question.
Also, $100 is roughly face value for an upper deck ticket to the ALDS/ALCS.
Only 13 months of my live have I lived > 4.5 hour drive from Chicago. October 2005 was a part of those 13 months.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 02, 2021, 03:23:33 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 02, 2021, 03:23:33 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 02, 2021, 10:06:36 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 01, 2021, 03:56:31 PMI've always lived within 4 and 1/2 hours of Chicago. It's been fun but I've been to more road games than home games the last few years. I went to Cincinnati, Pittsburgh and Detroit this year. I don't really consider going to Detroit a vacation though.Quote from: Flint1979 on October 01, 2021, 03:15:26 PMQuote from: abefroman329 on October 01, 2021, 02:41:27 PMChicago's only 4 and a half hours from me. I've been there tons of times. I've indeed seen a lot of Sox games. I went to games in the old ballpark I miss that place. Comiskey Park was the best.Quote from: Flint1979 on October 01, 2021, 12:43:57 PM
I went to game 2 of the 2005 World Series the game where Paulie hit a grand slam and Scotty Pods hit a walk off. I got my ticket off this broker I knew in Chicago that I met when I ended up going to a Red Sox-Cubs game earlier in the year since I was in Chicago and the Sox were out of town I think they were in San Diego that weekend if my memory serves me right and I had nothing to do so I went to get these tickets and went to the game. Well now the Sox are in the playoffs and I'm thinking I have to go to at least one game if I can afford it. So I remembered that I got this guys card when I met him and called him up and asked him if he had anything for the Sox game because I had asked him if he did the Sox too. So I got ahold of him early in the day I left here at 4:30 in the morning and got to Chicago a little after 8 central time and he told me he had some tickets for game 2 of the World Series and I told him I wanted one so I met him at Hollywood Grill on North and Ashland and I paid him $100 for an upper deck seat. The game was 4-2 and it was like the 6th inning and I'm thinking this sucks the Sox are losing I came all this way to see them lose I'm too familiar with this. Then they load the bases in the bottom of the 7th and Paulie steps up I just blurted up great time for a grand slam and this was just after a pitching change as Dye was hit to load the bases. I swear the first pitch he hits it out of the ballpark and the stadium started to shake Sox take a 6-4 lead and I'm thinking this is great it took a game that sucked because the Sox were losing to a game that was fun. Jenks pitched the 9th and I'm thinking he's been pretty good we should be up 2-0 after this inning. The Astros had 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs and Jenks allowed a base hit to tie the game. I think Pods was the second hitter of the inning and he had a 1-1 count or 2-1 count on him and then proceeded to hit a walk off homer. A guy that didn't hit a single homer all regular season he hit two in the postseason, one against Boston and one against Houston. I remember Ozzie signaling to the bullpen for Jenks, he had his arms out his sides like give me the fat guy.
That's great. I wasn't living here, or near here, in 2005 and attending a game would have been out of the question.
Also, $100 is roughly face value for an upper deck ticket to the ALDS/ALCS.
Only 13 months of my live have I lived > 4.5 hour drive from Chicago. October 2005 was a part of those 13 months.
Have been to both old and new parks in Cincinnati. Have been to Tiger Stadium but yet to go to Comerica. Hopefully next summer.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: abefroman329 on October 02, 2021, 05:53:10 PM
Post by: abefroman329 on October 02, 2021, 05:53:10 PM
I'm excited for the possibility of a White Sox-Brewers or White Sox-Cards World Series. If it were the former, I could go to a road game and sleep in my own bed that night.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 02, 2021, 06:00:55 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 02, 2021, 06:00:55 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on October 02, 2021, 05:53:10 PM
I'm excited for the possibility of a White Sox-Brewers or White Sox-Cards World Series. If it were the former, I could go to a road game and sleep in my own bed that night.
I would not want to face the Brewers pitching staff in the World Series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 02, 2021, 08:00:39 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 02, 2021, 08:00:39 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 02, 2021, 03:23:33 PMI liked Tiger Stadium better, real nice place to watch a ballgame. Comerica has the seats too far from the action and has stuff to remove your attention from the action too. I've been to over 100 games at Comerica. I like the statues and the stuff they have showing each decade of the Tigers.Quote from: Flint1979 on October 02, 2021, 10:06:36 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 01, 2021, 03:56:31 PMI've always lived within 4 and 1/2 hours of Chicago. It's been fun but I've been to more road games than home games the last few years. I went to Cincinnati, Pittsburgh and Detroit this year. I don't really consider going to Detroit a vacation though.Quote from: Flint1979 on October 01, 2021, 03:15:26 PMQuote from: abefroman329 on October 01, 2021, 02:41:27 PMChicago's only 4 and a half hours from me. I've been there tons of times. I've indeed seen a lot of Sox games. I went to games in the old ballpark I miss that place. Comiskey Park was the best.Quote from: Flint1979 on October 01, 2021, 12:43:57 PM
I went to game 2 of the 2005 World Series the game where Paulie hit a grand slam and Scotty Pods hit a walk off. I got my ticket off this broker I knew in Chicago that I met when I ended up going to a Red Sox-Cubs game earlier in the year since I was in Chicago and the Sox were out of town I think they were in San Diego that weekend if my memory serves me right and I had nothing to do so I went to get these tickets and went to the game. Well now the Sox are in the playoffs and I'm thinking I have to go to at least one game if I can afford it. So I remembered that I got this guys card when I met him and called him up and asked him if he had anything for the Sox game because I had asked him if he did the Sox too. So I got ahold of him early in the day I left here at 4:30 in the morning and got to Chicago a little after 8 central time and he told me he had some tickets for game 2 of the World Series and I told him I wanted one so I met him at Hollywood Grill on North and Ashland and I paid him $100 for an upper deck seat. The game was 4-2 and it was like the 6th inning and I'm thinking this sucks the Sox are losing I came all this way to see them lose I'm too familiar with this. Then they load the bases in the bottom of the 7th and Paulie steps up I just blurted up great time for a grand slam and this was just after a pitching change as Dye was hit to load the bases. I swear the first pitch he hits it out of the ballpark and the stadium started to shake Sox take a 6-4 lead and I'm thinking this is great it took a game that sucked because the Sox were losing to a game that was fun. Jenks pitched the 9th and I'm thinking he's been pretty good we should be up 2-0 after this inning. The Astros had 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs and Jenks allowed a base hit to tie the game. I think Pods was the second hitter of the inning and he had a 1-1 count or 2-1 count on him and then proceeded to hit a walk off homer. A guy that didn't hit a single homer all regular season he hit two in the postseason, one against Boston and one against Houston. I remember Ozzie signaling to the bullpen for Jenks, he had his arms out his sides like give me the fat guy.
That's great. I wasn't living here, or near here, in 2005 and attending a game would have been out of the question.
Also, $100 is roughly face value for an upper deck ticket to the ALDS/ALCS.
Only 13 months of my live have I lived > 4.5 hour drive from Chicago. October 2005 was a part of those 13 months.
Have been to both old and new parks in Cincinnati. Have been to Tiger Stadium but yet to go to Comerica. Hopefully next summer.
I liked Pittsburgh's park and only paid $15 to park in a garage about two blocks from the ballpark. For Cincinnati I parked on the Kentucky side at Newport On The Levee and walked across the Purple People Bridge.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 02, 2021, 11:54:11 PM
Post by: Takumi on October 02, 2021, 11:54:11 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on October 02, 2021, 05:53:10 PM
I’m excited for the possibility of a White Sox-Brewers or White Sox-Cards World Series. If it were the former, I could go to a road game and sleep in my own bed that night.
Those would both be great series. If the Mariners* don’t get in, I’m rooting for the White Sox, and the Brewers are my NL pick. Also, if the Cards, who were nowhere a month ago, get to the World Series, they’d go through the two winningest teams in the league and one of the other division winners. They’d be scary.
*on r/baseball, the Mariners and Orioles fanbases made an alliance, since the Orioles were playing wild card contenders the whole last week of the season, and I’m pulling for them and rooting against the other AL East teams anyway.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 03, 2021, 12:08:57 AM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 03, 2021, 12:08:57 AM
Red Sox back in it!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 03, 2021, 08:10:18 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 03, 2021, 08:10:18 AM
We have arrived at the last day of the season, and all of these situations that would require tiebreaker games are still possible:
1) two-way tie for the second WC spot
2) three-way tie for the second WC spot
3) three-way tie for both WC spots
4) four-way tie for both WC spots
We could also have a tiebreaker game for the NL West title.
1) two-way tie for the second WC spot
2) three-way tie for the second WC spot
3) three-way tie for both WC spots
4) four-way tie for both WC spots
We could also have a tiebreaker game for the NL West title.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 03, 2021, 03:26:55 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 03, 2021, 03:26:55 PM
Whatever the case. LETS GO WHITE SOX.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CtrlAltDel on October 03, 2021, 05:08:18 PM
Post by: CtrlAltDel on October 03, 2021, 05:08:18 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 03, 2021, 08:10:18 AM
We have arrived at the last day of the season, and all of these situations that would require tiebreaker games are still possible:
1) two-way tie for the second WC spot
2) three-way tie for the second WC spot
3) three-way tie for both WC spots
4) four-way tie for both WC spots
We could also have a tiebreaker game for the NL West title.
And all games today start at about the same time, so we'll know what's going to happen pretty much all at once.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 03, 2021, 05:30:47 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 03, 2021, 05:30:47 PM
Please Flappy bois hold on... Red Sox yikes.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 03, 2021, 06:13:07 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 03, 2021, 06:13:07 PM
Yankees win.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 03, 2021, 06:53:06 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 03, 2021, 06:53:06 PM
And the Red Sox win. Is there some way possible that we can get rid of both the Yankees and Red Sox ASAP?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 03, 2021, 07:14:18 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 03, 2021, 07:14:18 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 03, 2021, 08:10:18 AM
We have arrived at the last day of the season, and all of these situations that would require tiebreaker games are still possible:
1) two-way tie for the second WC spot
2) three-way tie for the second WC spot
3) three-way tie for both WC spots
4) four-way tie for both WC spots
We could also have a tiebreaker game for the NL West title.
And we got none of these. Canada's current team was eliminated because Canada's former team couldn't hold a 4 run lead.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 03, 2021, 07:35:34 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 03, 2021, 07:35:34 PM
Fuck the Yankees
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 03, 2021, 08:03:55 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 03, 2021, 08:03:55 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 03, 2021, 07:35:34 PM
Fuck the Yankees
I'll drink to that :cheers:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 03, 2021, 08:53:06 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 03, 2021, 08:53:06 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 03, 2021, 07:35:34 PMFuck the Yankees and Fuck Boston.
Fuck the Yankees
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 03, 2021, 08:53:58 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 03, 2021, 08:53:58 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 03, 2021, 07:14:18 PMDamn Nationals. Two years removed from winning it all and they suck beyond believe this year.Quote from: cabiness42 on October 03, 2021, 08:10:18 AM
We have arrived at the last day of the season, and all of these situations that would require tiebreaker games are still possible:
1) two-way tie for the second WC spot
2) three-way tie for the second WC spot
3) three-way tie for both WC spots
4) four-way tie for both WC spots
We could also have a tiebreaker game for the NL West title.
And we got none of these. Canada's current team was eliminated because Canada's former team couldn't hold a 4 run lead.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 03, 2021, 08:54:56 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 03, 2021, 08:54:56 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on October 03, 2021, 08:03:55 PMI don't even care anymore lol. 2005 was the year for me I never expected to see my team win it all and they did and I love being able to rub it into Tigers fans that their team hasn't won since 1984.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 03, 2021, 07:35:34 PM
Fuck the Yankees
I'll drink to that :cheers:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on October 03, 2021, 09:07:12 PM
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on October 03, 2021, 09:07:12 PM
I didn't think the Nats would be able to hold Boston, but I thought that the Rays would beat the Yankees. Too bad as a Blue Jays fan. But the Blue Jays sealed their own fate by loosing too many winnable games earlier in the year
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 03, 2021, 09:39:09 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 03, 2021, 09:39:09 PM
Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on October 03, 2021, 09:07:12 PM
I didn't think the Nats would be able to hold Boston, but I thought that the Rays would beat the Yankees. Too bad as a Blue Jays fan. But the Blue Jays sealed their own fate by loosing too many winnable games earlier in the year
I was more afraid of having to play you guys in a play-in game than I am of the Yankees. Jays got hot but just ran out of games. Plus we would have had to have gone to New York even if we won that.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 03, 2021, 11:43:37 PM
Post by: Takumi on October 03, 2021, 11:43:37 PM
1st overall draft pick, baby!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 04, 2021, 12:27:18 AM
Post by: Alps on October 04, 2021, 12:27:18 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 03, 2021, 07:35:34 PMFuck you <3
Fuck the Yankees
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 04, 2021, 10:58:44 AM
Post by: Henry on October 04, 2021, 10:58:44 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 03, 2021, 08:53:06 PMFor the West Coast variant, it would be "fuck the Dodgers and fuck the Giants."Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 03, 2021, 07:35:34 PMFuck the Yankees and Fuck Boston.
Fuck the Yankees
This would be the first time that all four classic arch-rivals (Yankees, Red Sox, Giants, Dodgers) made the same postseason, right? Because there were plenty of near-misses, most notably 1951 (when the Yankees were awaiting the winner of the New York Giants-Brooklyn Dodgers playoff) and 1978 (when the Dodgers won the NL West outright, but the Yankees and Red Sox had to play a one-game playoff to decide the AL East winner); we all know how those ended, with Bobby Thomson and Bucky Dent being one team's hero and the other's villain forever.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 04, 2021, 11:36:20 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 04, 2021, 11:36:20 AM
Quote from: Henry on October 04, 2021, 10:58:44 AMQuote from: Flint1979 on October 03, 2021, 08:53:06 PMFor the West Coast variant, it would be "fuck the Dodgers and fuck the Giants."Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 03, 2021, 07:35:34 PMFuck the Yankees and Fuck Boston.
Fuck the Yankees
This would be the first time that all four classic arch-rivals (Yankees, Red Sox, Giants, Dodgers) made the same postseason, right? Because there were plenty of near-misses, most notably 1951 (when the Yankees were awaiting the winner of the New York Giants-Brooklyn Dodgers playoff) and 1978 (when the Dodgers won the NL West outright, but the Yankees and Red Sox had to play a one-game playoff to decide the AL East winner); we all know how those ended, with Bobby Thomson and Bucky Dent being one team's hero and the other's villain forever.
Yes, this is the first. Of course it's only been possible since 1995, as that was the first year of the wild card and both pairs of teams have always been in the same division together.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on October 04, 2021, 01:01:47 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on October 04, 2021, 01:01:47 PM
Now as Brewers fans we just hope the only reason they finished with a bad week and a half was due to positioning themselves for this coming weekend. Will be fun watching
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 04, 2021, 03:46:38 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 04, 2021, 03:46:38 PM
Quote from: Henry on October 04, 2021, 10:58:44 AMI never thought of that really now it makes me want to see the Cardinals and Cubs in it too. We got half that though. Too bad the AL Central isn't a bit better it seems like it's the White Sox and everyone else but I don't mind that at all still though I'd like to see the Tigers or Royals make it. I thought Kansas City's fan base was a bit annoying around their championship year of 2015.Quote from: Flint1979 on October 03, 2021, 08:53:06 PMFor the West Coast variant, it would be "fuck the Dodgers and fuck the Giants."Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 03, 2021, 07:35:34 PMFuck the Yankees and Fuck Boston.
Fuck the Yankees
This would be the first time that all four classic arch-rivals (Yankees, Red Sox, Giants, Dodgers) made the same postseason, right? Because there were plenty of near-misses, most notably 1951 (when the Yankees were awaiting the winner of the New York Giants-Brooklyn Dodgers playoff) and 1978 (when the Dodgers won the NL West outright, but the Yankees and Red Sox had to play a one-game playoff to decide the AL East winner); we all know how those ended, with Bobby Thomson and Bucky Dent being one team's hero and the other's villain forever.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 04, 2021, 04:01:32 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 04, 2021, 04:01:32 PM
The Dodgers-Giants rivalry has much more of a history than Yankees-Red Sox. Before 1978, if you asked any Yankees fan who their biggest rival was, nobody would have said Red Sox. Younger fans would have said Baltimore, and older fans who remember the AL before divisional play might have said Detroit or Chicago. Outside of a good year here or there, the Red Sox were largely irrelevant for decades.
When ESPN started up in Connecticut in 1979, it was staffed almost entirely by New Englanders. It was still that way in 1986 when the Red Sox came within one Buckner of winning the World Series. ESPN did a lot of the work in making the Red Sox as popular as they are today.
When ESPN started up in Connecticut in 1979, it was staffed almost entirely by New Englanders. It was still that way in 1986 when the Red Sox came within one Buckner of winning the World Series. ESPN did a lot of the work in making the Red Sox as popular as they are today.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 04, 2021, 05:39:23 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 04, 2021, 05:39:23 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 02, 2021, 06:00:55 PMQuote from: abefroman329 on October 02, 2021, 05:53:10 PM
I'm excited for the possibility of a White Sox-Brewers or White Sox-Cards World Series. If it were the former, I could go to a road game and sleep in my own bed that night.
I would not want to face the Brewers pitching staff in the World Series.
If the Boozers don't start hitting better immediately, that won't be an issue. X-(
We'll see what happens this weekend, but I have the nagging worry that Milwaukee peaked just a little too soon and they're gonna be anemic against the old franchise.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 04, 2021, 05:57:03 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 04, 2021, 05:57:03 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 04, 2021, 04:01:32 PMYeah but the Red Sox had the Curse of the Bambino as well after selling Babe Ruth to the Yankees. Then the Yankees go onto win several championships and the Red Sox don't win for 86 years. And Boston and New York are rivals in other sports as well like Celtics/Knicks, Jets/Patriots, not so much the Bruins and Rangers as I consider the Bruins rival to be the Canadiens.
The Dodgers-Giants rivalry has much more of a history than Yankees-Red Sox. Before 1978, if you asked any Yankees fan who their biggest rival was, nobody would have said Red Sox. Younger fans would have said Baltimore, and older fans who remember the AL before divisional play might have said Detroit or Chicago. Outside of a good year here or there, the Red Sox were largely irrelevant for decades.
When ESPN started up in Connecticut in 1979, it was staffed almost entirely by New Englanders. It was still that way in 1986 when the Red Sox came within one Buckner of winning the World Series. ESPN did a lot of the work in making the Red Sox as popular as they are today.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on October 04, 2021, 05:57:33 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on October 04, 2021, 05:57:33 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 04, 2021, 05:39:23 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 02, 2021, 06:00:55 PMQuote from: abefroman329 on October 02, 2021, 05:53:10 PM
I'm excited for the possibility of a White Sox-Brewers or White Sox-Cards World Series. If it were the former, I could go to a road game and sleep in my own bed that night.
I would not want to face the Brewers pitching staff in the World Series.
If the Boozers don't start hitting better immediately, that won't be an issue. X-(
We'll see what happens this weekend, but I have the nagging worry that Milwaukee peaked just a little too soon and they're gonna be anemic against the old franchise.
I don't think it's a peaked too soon issue. It would be more a they flipped off the switch when it was literally impossible for the Cards to catch them and that catching LA or SF wasn't possible either and failing to turn it on vs ATL if the series goes bad. For the better part of two weeks their games haven't been all that important and the effort shows that(roster positioning for the players appears to be that motive).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 04, 2021, 05:59:11 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 04, 2021, 05:59:11 PM
What really surprised me is how the Padres fell apart. It was like they were there in the race in June and July and then by the time August and September rolled around it was like they were a 100 loss team compared to how they played earlier in the season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 04, 2021, 06:03:42 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 04, 2021, 06:03:42 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 04, 2021, 05:57:03 PM
Yeah but the Red Sox had the Curse of the Bambino as well after selling Babe Ruth to the Yankees. Then the Yankees go onto win several championships and the Red Sox don't win for 86 years. And Boston and New York are rivals in other sports as well like Celtics/Knicks, Jets/Patriots, not so much the Bruins and Rangers as I consider the Bruins rival to be the Canadiens.
The one time when the Bruins and Rangers got a fierce rivalry was the 1970 first with the 1972 Stanley cup final and then in 1975 when Phil Esposito was traded to the Rangers in exchange for Brad Park and Jean Ratelle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pby-bevCrIQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlfqT1G48AA
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 04, 2021, 07:39:00 PM
Post by: Alps on October 04, 2021, 07:39:00 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 04, 2021, 05:57:03 PMIn order:Quote from: cabiness42 on October 04, 2021, 04:01:32 PMYeah but the Red Sox had the Curse of the Bambino as well after selling Babe Ruth to the Yankees. Then the Yankees go onto win several championships and the Red Sox don't win for 86 years. And Boston and New York are rivals in other sports as well like Celtics/Knicks, Jets/Patriots, not so much the Bruins and Rangers as I consider the Bruins rival to be the Canadiens.
The Dodgers-Giants rivalry has much more of a history than Yankees-Red Sox. Before 1978, if you asked any Yankees fan who their biggest rival was, nobody would have said Red Sox. Younger fans would have said Baltimore, and older fans who remember the AL before divisional play might have said Detroit or Chicago. Outside of a good year here or there, the Red Sox were largely irrelevant for decades.
When ESPN started up in Connecticut in 1979, it was staffed almost entirely by New Englanders. It was still that way in 1986 when the Red Sox came within one Buckner of winning the World Series. ESPN did a lot of the work in making the Red Sox as popular as they are today.
Sox - Yankees, no question
Cheats - Jets, is a modern rivalry forged in the early 2000s. When I grew up it was Jets-Miami and secondary Jets-Bills. The Patriots back then were irrelevant.
Celtics - Knicks, never been that hot of a rivalry. My life has been Knicks-Nets (no National vs. American to keep them separate). Not sure offhand who Celtics' rivals really are. Google suggests Lakers and Sixers.
Rangers have Islanders, Devils, and Flyers to worry about before Boston. Whalers too, once.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kurumi on October 04, 2021, 09:22:29 PM
Post by: kurumi on October 04, 2021, 09:22:29 PM
http://www.pennant-race.com/ is a fun visualization of the regular season. You can see the whole thing, or select by division:
* NL West: Dodgers get hot in mid-August, go 37-10 for the rest of the season... and gain 4 games on the Giants, needed 5. Best 2nd place record of all time.
* NL Central: :clap: Cards, nice job
* NL East: the Amazin' Mets with a 10-game lead in June
* AL West: nice job Mariners, soooo close
* AL Central: from July, White Sox were playing only for home field advantage
* AL East: Chaos, and the O's
* NL West: Dodgers get hot in mid-August, go 37-10 for the rest of the season... and gain 4 games on the Giants, needed 5. Best 2nd place record of all time.
* NL Central: :clap: Cards, nice job
* NL East: the Amazin' Mets with a 10-game lead in June
* AL West: nice job Mariners, soooo close
* AL Central: from July, White Sox were playing only for home field advantage
* AL East: Chaos, and the O's
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KeithE4Phx on October 04, 2021, 09:50:27 PM
Post by: KeithE4Phx on October 04, 2021, 09:50:27 PM
Quote from: kurumi on October 04, 2021, 09:22:29 PM
* AL Central: from July, White Sox were playing only for home field advantage
Their best month was May, but they did have a winning record each month, April-September.
But what matters now is that they were 0-4 in Houston (and 2-1 against them at home). The Astros have home-field. LaRussa will have to have this team ready to play.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Bruce on October 05, 2021, 01:56:09 AM
Post by: Bruce on October 05, 2021, 01:56:09 AM
I just want to see the Mariners play in the World Series once in my lifetime.
Since the last Mariners playoff appearance in 2001, the following Seattle teams have made it to their league championship games:
Storm (WNBA) - 2004, 2010, 2018, 2020
Seahawks (NFL) - 2005, 2013, 2014
Reign (NWSL) - 2014, 2015
Sounders (MLS) - 2016, 2017, 2019, 2020
Seawolves (MLR) - 2018, 2019
Three of them didn't even begin playing in the top league of their respective sport until long after 2001.
Since the last Mariners playoff appearance in 2001, the following Seattle teams have made it to their league championship games:
Storm (WNBA) - 2004, 2010, 2018, 2020
Seahawks (NFL) - 2005, 2013, 2014
Reign (NWSL) - 2014, 2015
Sounders (MLS) - 2016, 2017, 2019, 2020
Seawolves (MLR) - 2018, 2019
Three of them didn't even begin playing in the top league of their respective sport until long after 2001.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on October 05, 2021, 03:40:24 AM
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on October 05, 2021, 03:40:24 AM
In fact after the Nationals made it (and won) two years ago the Mariners are the only team to have never made it to the World Series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 05, 2021, 06:00:13 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 05, 2021, 06:00:13 AM
The last six World Series winners are from each division.
2015: Royals (AL Central)
2016: Cubs (NL Central)
2017: Astros (AL West)
2018: Red Sox (AL East)
2019: Nationals (NL East)
2020: Dodgers (NL West)
2015: Royals (AL Central)
2016: Cubs (NL Central)
2017: Astros (AL West)
2018: Red Sox (AL East)
2019: Nationals (NL East)
2020: Dodgers (NL West)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 05, 2021, 07:19:23 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 05, 2021, 07:19:23 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 05, 2021, 06:00:13 AM
The last six World Series winners are from each division.
2015: Royals (AL Central)
2016: Cubs (NL Central)
2017: Astros (AL West)
2018: Red Sox (AL East)
2019: Nationals (NL East)
2020: Dodgers (NL West)
Looks like it's the AL Central's turn again.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 05, 2021, 08:34:00 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 05, 2021, 08:34:00 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 05, 2021, 07:19:23 AMI would love that.Quote from: Flint1979 on October 05, 2021, 06:00:13 AM
The last six World Series winners are from each division.
2015: Royals (AL Central)
2016: Cubs (NL Central)
2017: Astros (AL West)
2018: Red Sox (AL East)
2019: Nationals (NL East)
2020: Dodgers (NL West)
Looks like it's the AL Central's turn again.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on October 05, 2021, 07:10:18 PM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on October 05, 2021, 07:10:18 PM
Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on October 03, 2021, 09:07:12 PM
I didn't think the Nats would be able to hold Boston, but I thought that the Rays would beat the Yankees. Too bad as a Blue Jays fan. But the Blue Jays sealed their own fate by loosing too many winnable games earlier in the year
They dropped two games to last-place Minnesota in the penultimate weekend series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 05, 2021, 11:31:12 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 05, 2021, 11:31:12 PM
YANKEES LOSE!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 05, 2021, 11:31:28 PM
Post by: Takumi on October 05, 2021, 11:31:28 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/5pf4mi.jpg)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KeithE4Phx on October 06, 2021, 12:04:57 AM
Post by: KeithE4Phx on October 06, 2021, 12:04:57 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 05, 2021, 07:19:23 AMQuote from: Flint1979 on October 05, 2021, 06:00:13 AM
The last six World Series winners are from each division.
2015: Royals (AL Central)
2016: Cubs (NL Central)
2017: Astros (AL West)
2018: Red Sox (AL East)
2019: Nationals (NL East)
2020: Dodgers (NL West)
Looks like it's the AL Central's turn again.
Fine by me. GO SOX! :)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KCRoadFan on October 06, 2021, 12:05:09 AM
Post by: KCRoadFan on October 06, 2021, 12:05:09 AM
Congrats Sox on beating the Yankees!
Any chance the Cardinals beat the Dodgers tomorrow?
Any chance the Cardinals beat the Dodgers tomorrow?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 06, 2021, 12:30:40 AM
Post by: Takumi on October 06, 2021, 12:30:40 AM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on October 06, 2021, 12:05:09 AMThere's always a chance.
Congrats Sox on beating the Yankees!
Any chance the Cardinals beat the Dodgers tomorrow?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 06, 2021, 07:22:44 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 06, 2021, 07:22:44 AM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on October 06, 2021, 12:05:09 AM
Congrats Sox on beating the Yankees!
Any chance the Cardinals beat the Dodgers tomorrow?
With Wainright pitching, yes.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 07, 2021, 12:48:06 AM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 07, 2021, 12:48:06 AM
Congrats to the Dodgers for moving on to the NLDS.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 07, 2021, 06:10:53 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 07, 2021, 06:10:53 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 07, 2021, 12:48:06 AMFuck the Dodgers
Congrats to the Dodgers for moving on to the NLDS.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 07, 2021, 10:36:30 AM
Post by: Henry on October 07, 2021, 10:36:30 AM
As expected, it'll be Giants-Dodgers in the NLDS, which already makes it a perfect postseason, with the Red Sox exacting revenge on the Yankees yet again in the Wild Card Game and extending their championship drought to 12 years.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 07, 2021, 11:01:23 AM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 07, 2021, 11:01:23 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 07, 2021, 06:10:53 AMI'm not a huge fan of them either but the NLDS should be crazy.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 07, 2021, 12:48:06 AMFuck the Dodgers
Congrats to the Dodgers for moving on to the NLDS.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on October 07, 2021, 11:45:34 AM
Post by: CoreySamson on October 07, 2021, 11:45:34 AM
If the Astros make it the the WS, I do not want them to play the Dodgers. Give me the Brewers (or heck, even the Giants) any day.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KCRoadFan on October 07, 2021, 09:41:36 PM
Post by: KCRoadFan on October 07, 2021, 09:41:36 PM
With the Cardinals now out, and my hometown team (the Royals) not even making it in the first place, I think I'll cheer for the Brewers. I think they deserve to win a World Series at some point, the Bucks won the NBA title a couple months ago, and my younger brother lives in Wisconsin, so why not?
Anyway - for those whose team didn't make the playoffs, who might you be supporting, and for what reason(s)? I'm interested to find out!
Anyway - for those whose team didn't make the playoffs, who might you be supporting, and for what reason(s)? I'm interested to find out!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on October 07, 2021, 11:00:57 PM
Post by: kevinb1994 on October 07, 2021, 11:00:57 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on October 07, 2021, 09:41:36 PMAny team but the (Red) Sux. White Sox, on the other hand, I'm OK with (I barely recall their most recent World Series win). Dodgers seem to be near a repeat of last year (minus the COVID protocols, of course). Rays would be ok with me, as the Yanks have been doing spring training near their stadium (despite being across the Bay) for awhile now (moving up the Tamiami Trail from Fort Lauderdale, where they, interestingly enough, had moved down the Tamiami Trail from, you guessed it, St. Pete, where the Rays would eventually play decades later). Braves would be cool, party like it's sometime in the "˜50s. Brewers same as Braves. Both teams have played in Milwaukee (I'll note that the Braves have since moved to Atlanta, and are originally from Boston).
With the Cardinals now out, and my hometown team (the Royals) not even making it in the first place, I think I'll cheer for the Brewers. I think they deserve to win a World Series at some point, the Bucks won the NBA title a couple months ago, and my younger brother lives in Wisconsin, so why not?
Anyway - for those whose team didn't make the playoffs, who might you be supporting, and for what reason(s)? I'm interested to find out!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 08, 2021, 12:38:04 AM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 08, 2021, 12:38:04 AM
Come on Red Sox, stranding the bases loaded.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 08, 2021, 01:54:27 AM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 08, 2021, 01:54:27 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 08, 2021, 12:38:04 AM
Come on Red Sox, stranding the bases loaded.
That's nothing new. Allowing a straight steal of home (totally unforgivable) is. And Tropicana Field is officially MLB's version of a mini golf course. Surprised there wasn't a windmill between 1st and 2nd.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: abefroman329 on October 08, 2021, 11:12:14 AM
Post by: abefroman329 on October 08, 2021, 11:12:14 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on October 08, 2021, 01:54:27 AMHaha, yeah, that place is awful. So glad it didn't end up being the home of the Tampa Bay White Sox.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 08, 2021, 12:38:04 AM
Come on Red Sox, stranding the bases loaded.
That's nothing new. Allowing a straight steal of home (totally unforgivable) is. And Tropicana Field is officially MLB's version of a mini golf course. Surprised there wasn't a windmill between 1st and 2nd.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 08, 2021, 12:54:02 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 08, 2021, 12:54:02 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 07, 2021, 11:01:23 AMI don't like either the Dodgers or Giants but with that said I hope the Giants win that series.Quote from: Flint1979 on October 07, 2021, 06:10:53 AMI'm not a huge fan of them either but the NLDS should be crazy.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 07, 2021, 12:48:06 AMFuck the Dodgers
Congrats to the Dodgers for moving on to the NLDS.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 08, 2021, 12:57:17 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 08, 2021, 12:57:17 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on October 08, 2021, 11:12:14 AMI've only driven past it never been inside of it but from the outside it looks like the roof is about to slide right off.Quote from: jp the roadgeek on October 08, 2021, 01:54:27 AMHaha, yeah, that place is awful. So glad it didn't end up being the home of the Tampa Bay White Sox.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 08, 2021, 12:38:04 AM
Come on Red Sox, stranding the bases loaded.
That's nothing new. Allowing a straight steal of home (totally unforgivable) is. And Tropicana Field is officially MLB's version of a mini golf course. Surprised there wasn't a windmill between 1st and 2nd.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 08, 2021, 01:43:07 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 08, 2021, 01:43:07 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 08, 2021, 12:57:17 PMQuote from: abefroman329 on October 08, 2021, 11:12:14 AMI've only driven past it never been inside of it but from the outside it looks like the roof is about to slide right off.Quote from: jp the roadgeek on October 08, 2021, 01:54:27 AMHaha, yeah, that place is awful. So glad it didn't end up being the home of the Tampa Bay White Sox.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 08, 2021, 12:38:04 AM
Come on Red Sox, stranding the bases loaded.
That's nothing new. Allowing a straight steal of home (totally unforgivable) is. And Tropicana Field is officially MLB's version of a mini golf course. Surprised there wasn't a windmill between 1st and 2nd.
I've been to a bunch of games at Tropicana Field. It's definitely an out dated design but that kind of gives it character over the constant Camden Yards clones most teams have now. Even the Oakland Colosseum has a strange amount of brutalist charm in this modern era.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 08, 2021, 03:00:55 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 08, 2021, 03:00:55 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 08, 2021, 01:43:07 PMI kind of like it though. It's different.Quote from: Flint1979 on October 08, 2021, 12:57:17 PMQuote from: abefroman329 on October 08, 2021, 11:12:14 AMI've only driven past it never been inside of it but from the outside it looks like the roof is about to slide right off.Quote from: jp the roadgeek on October 08, 2021, 01:54:27 AMHaha, yeah, that place is awful. So glad it didn't end up being the home of the Tampa Bay White Sox.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 08, 2021, 12:38:04 AM
Come on Red Sox, stranding the bases loaded.
That's nothing new. Allowing a straight steal of home (totally unforgivable) is. And Tropicana Field is officially MLB's version of a mini golf course. Surprised there wasn't a windmill between 1st and 2nd.
I've been to a bunch of games at Tropicana Field. It's definitely an out dated design but that kind of gives it character over the constant Camden Yards clones most teams have now. Even the Oakland Colosseum has a strange amount of brutalist charm in this modern era.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 08, 2021, 05:47:45 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 08, 2021, 05:47:45 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 08, 2021, 03:00:55 PMI've always had a good time and never had trouble getting decent tickets. Having I-175 and I-375 nearby is really handy coming/going from the games. The surrounding neighborhood has some decent places to eat on Central Avenue.Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 08, 2021, 01:43:07 PMI kind of like it though. It's different.Quote from: Flint1979 on October 08, 2021, 12:57:17 PMQuote from: abefroman329 on October 08, 2021, 11:12:14 AMI've only driven past it never been inside of it but from the outside it looks like the roof is about to slide right off.Quote from: jp the roadgeek on October 08, 2021, 01:54:27 AMHaha, yeah, that place is awful. So glad it didn't end up being the home of the Tampa Bay White Sox.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 08, 2021, 12:38:04 AM
Come on Red Sox, stranding the bases loaded.
That's nothing new. Allowing a straight steal of home (totally unforgivable) is. And Tropicana Field is officially MLB's version of a mini golf course. Surprised there wasn't a windmill between 1st and 2nd.
I've been to a bunch of games at Tropicana Field. It's definitely an out dated design but that kind of gives it character over the constant Camden Yards clones most teams have now. Even the Oakland Colosseum has a strange amount of brutalist charm in this modern era.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 08, 2021, 11:18:36 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 08, 2021, 11:18:36 PM
Big bounce-back win for the Red Sox!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 09, 2021, 07:48:55 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 09, 2021, 07:48:55 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 08, 2021, 05:47:45 PMRight it seems like getting tickets would be rather easy and it does seem like there is stuff to do around the ballpark but people say it's in a bad location they should play in Tampa but who knows if that'll change things.Quote from: Flint1979 on October 08, 2021, 03:00:55 PMI've always had a good time and never had trouble getting decent tickets. Having I-175 and I-375 nearby is really handy coming/going from the games. The surrounding neighborhood has some decent places to eat on Central Avenue.Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 08, 2021, 01:43:07 PMI kind of like it though. It's different.Quote from: Flint1979 on October 08, 2021, 12:57:17 PMQuote from: abefroman329 on October 08, 2021, 11:12:14 AMI've only driven past it never been inside of it but from the outside it looks like the roof is about to slide right off.Quote from: jp the roadgeek on October 08, 2021, 01:54:27 AMHaha, yeah, that place is awful. So glad it didn't end up being the home of the Tampa Bay White Sox.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 08, 2021, 12:38:04 AM
Come on Red Sox, stranding the bases loaded.
That's nothing new. Allowing a straight steal of home (totally unforgivable) is. And Tropicana Field is officially MLB's version of a mini golf course. Surprised there wasn't a windmill between 1st and 2nd.
I've been to a bunch of games at Tropicana Field. It's definitely an out dated design but that kind of gives it character over the constant Camden Yards clones most teams have now. Even the Oakland Colosseum has a strange amount of brutalist charm in this modern era.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 10, 2021, 09:41:38 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 10, 2021, 09:41:38 PM
LFG sorry Rays though the rule kinda sucks
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 11, 2021, 08:22:02 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 11, 2021, 08:22:02 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 10, 2021, 09:41:38 PM
LFG sorry Rays though the rule kinda sucks
The rule does need to be adjusted. The overwhelming majority of runners score from first on a regular double, so it stands to reason that the runner should score from first on a ground rule double.
There was a controversial play in the night game as well. White Sox catcher Yasmani Grandal hit a grounder to first with the runner on third racing home, and he just happened to be in the way of the 1B throw home and got hit in the shoulder.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 11, 2021, 01:48:03 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 11, 2021, 01:48:03 PM
Big win by White Sox to force game 4.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: abefroman329 on October 11, 2021, 03:34:28 PM
Post by: abefroman329 on October 11, 2021, 03:34:28 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 11, 2021, 01:48:03 PM
Big win by White Sox to force game 4.
As a certain retiree in Florida would say, YUUUUGE.
We have tickets to Game 4, which has now been postponed to tomorrow.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on October 11, 2021, 05:47:28 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on October 11, 2021, 05:47:28 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on October 07, 2021, 09:41:36 PM
With the Cardinals now out, and my hometown team (the Royals) not even making it in the first place, I think I'll cheer for the Brewers. I think they deserve to win a World Series at some point, the Bucks won the NBA title a couple months ago, and my younger brother lives in Wisconsin, so why not?
Anyway - for those whose team didn't make the playoffs, who might you be supporting, and for what reason(s)? I'm interested to find out!
The Brewers bats might want to start cheering, and producing, for the Brewers.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 11, 2021, 08:06:41 PM
Post by: Takumi on October 11, 2021, 08:06:41 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on October 11, 2021, 03:34:28 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on October 11, 2021, 01:48:03 PM
Big win by White Sox to force game 4.
As a certain retiree in Florida would say, YUUUUGE.
We have tickets to Game 4, which has now been postponed to tomorrow.
Awesome. Keep hope alive.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 11, 2021, 08:59:55 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 11, 2021, 08:59:55 PM
Wouldn't it be funny to see the Red Sox collapse 1978 or 2011 style starting right now?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 11, 2021, 09:03:16 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 11, 2021, 09:03:16 PM
And this might be the start we need for that to happen.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 11, 2021, 10:38:55 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 11, 2021, 10:38:55 PM
LETS GO
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 12, 2021, 11:58:32 AM
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 12, 2021, 11:58:32 AM
Milwaukee is unfortunately continuing their offensive trend that ended the season. After two scoreless games, I'm pessimistic about this afternoon.
The frustrating part is how decent the pitching and defense has been, but with no run support, it's all for naught.
The frustrating part is how decent the pitching and defense has been, but with no run support, it's all for naught.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 12, 2021, 06:46:29 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 12, 2021, 06:46:29 PM
With the White Sox eliminated, the American League champion is guaranteed to be a team for which Alex Cora led a huge illegal sign-stealing operation.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 12, 2021, 07:31:20 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 12, 2021, 07:31:20 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 12, 2021, 06:46:29 PMI'll root for Houston even though I don't really like them. I don't like Dusty Baker but I can't stand Alex Cora. I'm thinking the Giants will win the World Series.
With the White Sox eliminated, the American League champion is guaranteed to be a team for which Alex Cora led a huge illegal sign-stealing operation.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on October 12, 2021, 08:51:25 PM
Post by: CoreySamson on October 12, 2021, 08:51:25 PM
Yay Astros! Maybe tonight the Giants will finish off the Dodgers.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KCRoadFan on October 12, 2021, 09:16:09 PM
Post by: KCRoadFan on October 12, 2021, 09:16:09 PM
Braves beat the Brewers - will meet either the Giants or Dodgers in the NLCS.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 06:47:46 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 06:47:46 AM
The thing that gets me is that the White Sox have only won a postseason series 5 times in franchise history and 3 of those series wins came in 2005, the other two were in 1917 and 1906. What a team with a horrible owner.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on October 14, 2021, 09:07:46 PM
Post by: ilpt4u on October 14, 2021, 09:07:46 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 06:47:46 AMYou do realize that Jerry Reinsdorf owns both the White Sox Franchise and the Bulls Franchise...that same one that some guy named Michael Jordan won 6 Championships for?
The thing that gets me is that the White Sox have only won a postseason series 5 times in franchise history and 3 of those series wins came in 2005, the other two were in 1917 and 1906. What a team with a horrible owner.
That is 7 World Championships in Major Sports that Reinsdorf teams have captured - horrible owner is ridiculous hyperbole
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 14, 2021, 09:11:53 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 14, 2021, 09:11:53 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on October 14, 2021, 09:07:46 PMQuote from: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 06:47:46 AMYou do realize that Jerry Reinsdorf owns both the White Sox Franchise and the Bulls Franchise...that same one that some guy named Michael Jordan won 6 Championships for?
The thing that gets me is that the White Sox have only won a postseason series 5 times in franchise history and 3 of those series wins came in 2005, the other two were in 1917 and 1906. What a team with a horrible owner.
That is 7 World Championships in Major Sports that Reinsdorf teams have captured - horrible owner is ridiculous hyperbole
You don't have to be a good owner to luck into Michael Jordan. If Portland drafts him instead of Sam Bowie, Reinsdorf has 1 championship in 80 combined years of owning teams.
He hired a 77 year old with 2 DUIs to be his manager because he felt guilty about letting him get fired 35 years ago. He really doesn't care about winning so long as he makes money.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 14, 2021, 09:46:04 PM
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 14, 2021, 09:46:04 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 14, 2021, 09:11:53 PMQuote from: ilpt4u on October 14, 2021, 09:07:46 PMQuote from: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 06:47:46 AMYou do realize that Jerry Reinsdorf owns both the White Sox Franchise and the Bulls Franchise...that same one that some guy named Michael Jordan won 6 Championships for?
The thing that gets me is that the White Sox have only won a postseason series 5 times in franchise history and 3 of those series wins came in 2005, the other two were in 1917 and 1906. What a team with a horrible owner.
That is 7 World Championships in Major Sports that Reinsdorf teams have captured - horrible owner is ridiculous hyperbole
You don't have to be a good owner to luck into Michael Jordan. If Portland drafts him instead of Sam Bowie, Reinsdorf has 1 championship in 80 combined years of owning teams.
Well, you can't change history.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 14, 2021, 11:55:13 PM
Post by: Alps on October 14, 2021, 11:55:13 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on October 14, 2021, 09:07:46 PMSome two-sport owners do MUCH better in one than the other.Quote from: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 06:47:46 AMYou do realize that Jerry Reinsdorf owns both the White Sox Franchise and the Bulls Franchise...that same one that some guy named Michael Jordan won 6 Championships for?
The thing that gets me is that the White Sox have only won a postseason series 5 times in franchise history and 3 of those series wins came in 2005, the other two were in 1917 and 1906. What a team with a horrible owner.
That is 7 World Championships in Major Sports that Reinsdorf teams have captured - horrible owner is ridiculous hyperbole
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KeithE4Phx on October 15, 2021, 12:11:31 AM
Post by: KeithE4Phx on October 15, 2021, 12:11:31 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on October 14, 2021, 09:07:46 PMQuote from: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 06:47:46 AM
The thing that gets me is that the White Sox have only won a postseason series 5 times in franchise history and 3 of those series wins came in 2005, the other two were in 1917 and 1906. What a team with a horrible owner.
You do realize that Jerry Reinsdorf owns both the White Sox Franchise and the Bulls Franchise...that same one that some guy named Michael Jordan won 6 Championships for?
That is 7 World Championships in Major Sports that Reinsdorf teams have captured - horrible owner is ridiculous hyperbole
Six of those have orders of magnitude more to do with Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, and Phil Jackson than Jerry Reinsdorf.
The seventh was just being the right team with the right combination of players (none of whom was of MJ's stature other than Frank Thomas, who was hurt much of the season), with the right manager, at least for one year.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 15, 2021, 01:47:44 AM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 15, 2021, 01:47:44 AM
SMH umps rigging the game for the Dodgers
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 15, 2021, 08:22:11 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 15, 2021, 08:22:11 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on October 14, 2021, 09:07:46 PMSo what if he owns both the Sox and Bulls? Jordan was drafted before Jerry even owned the Bulls for one thing and another thing he can thank MJ for those 6 championships because they wouldn't have won without him. Now since Jordan left the Bulls what have they done? He let the Bulls dynasty fade away and hasn't even been close since and one championship for the Sox? Before they made the postseason last year the Sox had been to 5 postseason's in his 39 years of ownership. He is cheap and doesn't do the right things to win or sustain a winning chemistry. He hires the wrong people, they are his friends and he for some reason thinks he should be loyal to his friends even though they shouldn't have the jobs they do. You don't have to tell me that he owns the Bulls and Sox, I've been a Chicago sports fan my entire life.Quote from: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 06:47:46 AMYou do realize that Jerry Reinsdorf owns both the White Sox Franchise and the Bulls Franchise...that same one that some guy named Michael Jordan won 6 Championships for?
The thing that gets me is that the White Sox have only won a postseason series 5 times in franchise history and 3 of those series wins came in 2005, the other two were in 1917 and 1906. What a team with a horrible owner.
That is 7 World Championships in Major Sports that Reinsdorf teams have captured - horrible owner is ridiculous hyperbole
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 15, 2021, 08:26:09 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 15, 2021, 08:26:09 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 14, 2021, 09:11:53 PMHe got gifted Michael Jordan he was lucky he bought the Bulls at the right time it was all about luck not that he was a good owner I still don't think he is.Quote from: ilpt4u on October 14, 2021, 09:07:46 PMQuote from: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 06:47:46 AMYou do realize that Jerry Reinsdorf owns both the White Sox Franchise and the Bulls Franchise...that same one that some guy named Michael Jordan won 6 Championships for?
The thing that gets me is that the White Sox have only won a postseason series 5 times in franchise history and 3 of those series wins came in 2005, the other two were in 1917 and 1906. What a team with a horrible owner.
That is 7 World Championships in Major Sports that Reinsdorf teams have captured - horrible owner is ridiculous hyperbole
You don't have to be a good owner to luck into Michael Jordan. If Portland drafts him instead of Sam Bowie, Reinsdorf has 1 championship in 80 combined years of owning teams.
He hired a 77 year old with 2 DUIs to be his manager because he felt guilty about letting him get fired 35 years ago. He really doesn't care about winning so long as he makes money.
Him hiring Tony LaRussa just proves my point about him being loyal to his friends and giving them jobs they shouldn't have. Tony was retired from managing and at 77 years old shouldn't be managing a MLB team. He's not Connie Mack but here comes Jerry to give yet another job to one of his buddies. It's pretty obvious that he really doesn't care about winning as long as he makes his money, makes his investors happy and keeps his friends employed. We'd be better off with a new owner.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 15, 2021, 08:33:39 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 15, 2021, 08:33:39 AM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on October 15, 2021, 12:11:31 AMI haven't followed the NBA in about 20 years but when the Bulls were winning the 90's you never heard about Jerry Reinsdorf, all you heard about was Jordan, Pippen, Jackson and Krause. If Reinsdorf had so much to do with it then why wasn't he heard from more often. That's what I saw and what I know.Quote from: ilpt4u on October 14, 2021, 09:07:46 PMQuote from: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 06:47:46 AM
The thing that gets me is that the White Sox have only won a postseason series 5 times in franchise history and 3 of those series wins came in 2005, the other two were in 1917 and 1906. What a team with a horrible owner.
You do realize that Jerry Reinsdorf owns both the White Sox Franchise and the Bulls Franchise...that same one that some guy named Michael Jordan won 6 Championships for?
That is 7 World Championships in Major Sports that Reinsdorf teams have captured - horrible owner is ridiculous hyperbole
Six of those have orders of magnitude more to do with Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, and Phil Jackson than Jerry Reinsdorf.
The seventh was just being the right team with the right combination of players (none of whom was of MJ's stature other than Frank Thomas, who was hurt much of the season), with the right manager, at least for one year.
With the Sox he has kept Kenny Williams employed even though Kenny Williams really isn't that good of a GM or president or whatever position he's in now. He kept Don Cooper employed for several years as pitching coach when he could have done better, he kept Robin Ventura as manager for 5 years and just let him walk away, in fact he even offered Ventura an new contract to be manager but Ventura turned it down.
Also the recent rebuild of the Sox, they had to beg Jerry to let them do a rebuild. If he wouldn't of let them do it then we'd still see the same last place team we had seen since Robin took over as manager. No one will ever convince me that Reinsdorf is a good owner, not the Bulls 6 championships, not the Sox one championship.
In 2005 every pitcher on the staff had a career year, they had never had a year like that before and didn't have one after that really either. They have Mark Buehrle, Jon Garland, Freddy Garcia, Jose Contreras and El Duque. The only one that really didn't do all that well in the regular season was El Duque but he sure showed up against Boston in the ALDS shutting the Red Sox out for 3 innings coming in the bottom of the 6th with the bases loaded and no one out and getting I think it was Varitek to popup, can't remember who the next hitter was but I think he popped up too and then got Johnny Damon to strike out. I remember Manny had led off that inning with a home run too.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 16, 2021, 06:15:55 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 16, 2021, 06:15:55 PM
Red Sox become first team to hit 2 grand slams in playoff game.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jgb191 on October 17, 2021, 05:03:49 AM
Post by: jgb191 on October 17, 2021, 05:03:49 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 15, 2021, 08:33:39 AM
I haven't followed the NBA in about 20 years but when the Bulls were winning the 90's you never heard about Jerry Reinsdorf, all you heard about was Jordan, Pippen, Jackson and Krause. If Reinsdorf had so much to do with it then why wasn't he heard from more often.
Reinsdorf hired the right mind to manage the Bulls roster. Krause's roster-engineering brilliance turned a dismal team into perennial champions by acquiring the right pieces to build around Air Mike Flight #23 and the coaching staff needed to elevate the team from playoff contenders to NBA champions. Bet you didn't know: Nobody else wanted to give Krause a chance to manage except Reinsdorf. If Reinsdorf hadn't given him a chance, I don't think the Bulls would have accomplished what they did in the 1990's. To me it was one of those hiring events that changed the course of NBA history.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2021, 12:43:51 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2021, 12:43:51 PM
Quote from: jgb191 on October 17, 2021, 05:03:49 AMThere is a basketball threadQuote from: Flint1979 on October 15, 2021, 08:33:39 AM
I haven't followed the NBA in about 20 years but when the Bulls were winning the 90's you never heard about Jerry Reinsdorf, all you heard about was Jordan, Pippen, Jackson and Krause. If Reinsdorf had so much to do with it then why wasn't he heard from more often.
Reinsdorf hired the right mind to manage the Bulls roster. Krause's roster-engineering brilliance turned a dismal team into perennial champions by acquiring the right pieces to build around Air Mike Flight #23 and the coaching staff needed to elevate the team from playoff contenders to NBA champions. Bet you didn't know: Nobody else wanted to give Krause a chance to manage except Reinsdorf. If Reinsdorf hadn't given him a chance, I don't think the Bulls would have accomplished what they did in the 1990's. To me it was one of those hiring events that changed the course of NBA history.
Also Braves take game 1
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 17, 2021, 12:48:34 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 17, 2021, 12:48:34 PM
I have no interest in basketball.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2021, 06:30:22 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2021, 06:30:22 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 17, 2021, 12:48:34 PMThen why are you talking about it? The ALCS and NLCS are going on leave this thread for baseball.
I have no interest in basketball.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 17, 2021, 07:14:27 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 17, 2021, 07:14:27 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2021, 06:30:22 PMI'm not talking about it.Quote from: Flint1979 on October 17, 2021, 12:48:34 PMThen why are you talking about it? The ALCS and NLCS are going on leave this thread for baseball.
I have no interest in basketball.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 17, 2021, 07:15:40 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 17, 2021, 07:15:40 PM
Everything I've said has to do with Jerry Reinsdorf who owns the White Sox and that was the point of my argument in the first place.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 19, 2021, 10:08:50 AM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 19, 2021, 10:08:50 AM
Red Sox up 2-1! Big offensive day for the Sox.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 20, 2021, 12:44:26 AM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 20, 2021, 12:44:26 AM
fuck
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Rothman on October 20, 2021, 07:06:49 AM
Post by: Rothman on October 20, 2021, 07:06:49 AM
Pretty predictable collapse due to Cora's perennial refusal to get a decent bullpen.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 20, 2021, 10:53:56 AM
Post by: Henry on October 20, 2021, 10:53:56 AM
The Dodgers refuse to die, as they won last night to trail Atlanta, 2 games to 1.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 20, 2021, 11:27:22 AM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 20, 2021, 11:27:22 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 20, 2021, 12:44:26 AM
f*** Laz Diaz
FTFY
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 20, 2021, 12:25:24 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 20, 2021, 12:25:24 PM
Quote from: Henry on October 20, 2021, 10:53:56 AMDodgers win and Astros win :banghead:
The Dodgers refuse to die, as they won last night to trail Atlanta, 2 games to 1.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on October 20, 2021, 12:34:36 PM
Post by: CoreySamson on October 20, 2021, 12:34:36 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 20, 2021, 12:25:24 PMDodgers win :banghead:At least we agree on one thing.
That game last night gave me weird flashbacks to Game 7 of the 2019 WS when the Nationals went whole hog scoring runs late.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 20, 2021, 05:47:11 PM
Post by: Alps on October 20, 2021, 05:47:11 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 19, 2021, 10:08:50 AM
Red Sox up 2-1! Big offensive day for the Sox.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 20, 2021, 12:44:26 AMreally wish we could still merge two consecutive posts for this
fuck
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on October 20, 2021, 06:48:36 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on October 20, 2021, 06:48:36 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 20, 2021, 05:47:11 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on October 19, 2021, 10:08:50 AM
Red Sox up 2-1! Big offensive day for the Sox.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 20, 2021, 12:44:26 AMreally wish we could still merge two consecutive posts for this
fuck
What did you expect with the day being offensive?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Rothman on October 20, 2021, 07:38:19 PM
Post by: Rothman on October 20, 2021, 07:38:19 PM
Sometimes I think series are rigged to drag them out for largest profit...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: webny99 on October 20, 2021, 07:50:29 PM
Post by: webny99 on October 20, 2021, 07:50:29 PM
Quote from: 1 on October 20, 2021, 06:48:36 PMQuote from: Alps on October 20, 2021, 05:47:11 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on October 19, 2021, 10:08:50 AM
Red Sox up 2-1! Big offensive day for the Sox.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 20, 2021, 12:44:26 AMreally wish we could still merge two consecutive posts for this
f***
What did you expect with the day being offensive?
:-D :-D
(Also, can't two consecutive posts still be merged? If not, what happened?)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 20, 2021, 09:52:36 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 20, 2021, 09:52:36 PM
Laz Diaz is one of the worst umpires in the game.
Angel Hernandez is the worst.
Angel Hernandez is the worst.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 20, 2021, 10:09:38 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 20, 2021, 10:09:38 PM
The most successful cheaters of 2017 have gained the upper hand against the most successful cheaters of 2018.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Rothman on October 20, 2021, 11:39:12 PM
Post by: Rothman on October 20, 2021, 11:39:12 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 20, 2021, 10:09:38 PMIf they were successful, then why were they caught?
The most successful cheaters of 2017 have gained the upper hand against the most successful cheaters of 2018.
The real successful cheaters go unnoticed.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KeithE4Phx on October 20, 2021, 11:45:05 PM
Post by: KeithE4Phx on October 20, 2021, 11:45:05 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 20, 2021, 09:52:36 PM
Laz Diaz is one of the worst umpires in the game.
Angel Hernandez is the worst.
They're bad, but nobody beats Joe West in the "bad umpire" world.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 21, 2021, 02:30:18 AM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 21, 2021, 02:30:18 AM
fuck
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 21, 2021, 07:17:02 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 21, 2021, 07:17:02 AM
Quote from: Rothman on October 20, 2021, 11:39:12 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 20, 2021, 10:09:38 PMIf they were successful, then why were they caught?
The most successful cheaters of 2017 have gained the upper hand against the most successful cheaters of 2018.
The real successful cheaters go unnoticed.
They didn't lose their World Series titles, so were they actually "caught"?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 21, 2021, 07:50:05 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 21, 2021, 07:50:05 AM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on October 20, 2021, 11:45:05 PMAngel is worse than Joe West.Quote from: Flint1979 on October 20, 2021, 09:52:36 PM
Laz Diaz is one of the worst umpires in the game.
Angel Hernandez is the worst.
They're bad, but nobody beats Joe West in the "bad umpire" world.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Rothman on October 21, 2021, 08:29:32 AM
Post by: Rothman on October 21, 2021, 08:29:32 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 21, 2021, 07:17:02 AMHm. I guess the cheating wasn't all that bad, then.Quote from: Rothman on October 20, 2021, 11:39:12 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 20, 2021, 10:09:38 PMIf they were successful, then why were they caught?
The most successful cheaters of 2017 have gained the upper hand against the most successful cheaters of 2018.
The real successful cheaters go unnoticed.
They didn't lose their World Series titles, so were they actually "caught"?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 21, 2021, 08:41:06 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 21, 2021, 08:41:06 AM
Quote from: Rothman on October 21, 2021, 08:29:32 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 21, 2021, 07:17:02 AMHm. I guess the cheating wasn't all that bad, then.Quote from: Rothman on October 20, 2021, 11:39:12 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 20, 2021, 10:09:38 PMIf they were successful, then why were they caught?
The most successful cheaters of 2017 have gained the upper hand against the most successful cheaters of 2018.
The real successful cheaters go unnoticed.
They didn't lose their World Series titles, so were they actually "caught"?
It was bad. MLB just didn't have the stones to bring the hammer down.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Rothman on October 21, 2021, 08:54:25 AM
Post by: Rothman on October 21, 2021, 08:54:25 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 21, 2021, 08:41:06 AMIf the cheating was that bad, then I am not seeing the disincentive from punishment.Quote from: Rothman on October 21, 2021, 08:29:32 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 21, 2021, 07:17:02 AMHm. I guess the cheating wasn't all that bad, then.Quote from: Rothman on October 20, 2021, 11:39:12 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 20, 2021, 10:09:38 PMIf they were successful, then why were they caught?
The most successful cheaters of 2017 have gained the upper hand against the most successful cheaters of 2018.
The real successful cheaters go unnoticed.
They didn't lose their World Series titles, so were they actually "caught"?
It was bad. MLB just didn't have the stones to bring the hammer down.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 21, 2021, 12:06:42 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 21, 2021, 12:06:42 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 21, 2021, 08:54:25 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 21, 2021, 08:41:06 AMIf the cheating was that bad, then I am not seeing the disincentive from punishment.Quote from: Rothman on October 21, 2021, 08:29:32 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 21, 2021, 07:17:02 AMHm. I guess the cheating wasn't all that bad, then.Quote from: Rothman on October 20, 2021, 11:39:12 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on October 20, 2021, 10:09:38 PMIf they were successful, then why were they caught?
The most successful cheaters of 2017 have gained the upper hand against the most successful cheaters of 2018.
The real successful cheaters go unnoticed.
They didn't lose their World Series titles, so were they actually "caught"?
It was bad. MLB just didn't have the stones to bring the hammer down.
I guess if your moral code is such that something is only bad if the punishment was severe, then it wasn't bad.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 21, 2021, 06:50:58 PM
Post by: Alps on October 21, 2021, 06:50:58 PM
Quote from: webny99 on October 20, 2021, 07:50:29 PMForum software "update"Quote from: 1 on October 20, 2021, 06:48:36 PMQuote from: Alps on October 20, 2021, 05:47:11 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on October 19, 2021, 10:08:50 AM
Red Sox up 2-1! Big offensive day for the Sox.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 20, 2021, 12:44:26 AMreally wish we could still merge two consecutive posts for this
f***
What did you expect with the day being offensive?
:-D :-D
(Also, can't two consecutive posts still be merged? If not, what happened?)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on October 22, 2021, 11:42:32 PM
Post by: CoreySamson on October 22, 2021, 11:42:32 PM
HELL YEAH!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 23, 2021, 12:01:34 AM
Post by: Alps on October 23, 2021, 12:01:34 AM
Quote from: CoreySamson on October 22, 2021, 11:42:32 PMGlad to see my hated rivals knocked out.
HELL YEAH!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Rothman on October 23, 2021, 12:05:23 AM
Post by: Rothman on October 23, 2021, 12:05:23 AM
Eh, Sox went farther than anyone predicted, but Astros had our number the entire season. I was pleasantly surprised by them winning two games, given how regular season matchups went.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 23, 2021, 07:32:47 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 23, 2021, 07:32:47 AM
The Red Sox lost? That's some good news.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 23, 2021, 09:16:29 AM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 23, 2021, 09:16:29 AM
Quote from: Alps on October 23, 2021, 12:01:34 AMQuote from: CoreySamson on October 22, 2021, 11:42:32 PMGlad to see my hated rivals knocked out.
HELL YEAH!
Still sore about the $34 million spent this year to get 4 outs? :poke:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 23, 2021, 02:46:00 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 23, 2021, 02:46:00 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 23, 2021, 12:01:34 AMWe made to the ALCS spending less money than your wild card loss.Quote from: CoreySamson on October 22, 2021, 11:42:32 PMGlad to see my hated rivals knocked out.
HELL YEAH!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 23, 2021, 08:04:21 PM
Post by: Alps on October 23, 2021, 08:04:21 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 23, 2021, 02:46:00 PMYou still lost.Quote from: Alps on October 23, 2021, 12:01:34 AMWe made to the ALCS spending less money than your wild card loss.Quote from: CoreySamson on October 22, 2021, 11:42:32 PMGlad to see my hated rivals knocked out.
HELL YEAH!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 23, 2021, 08:18:04 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 23, 2021, 08:18:04 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 23, 2021, 08:04:21 PMI'll take a deep playoff run over a wildcard loss.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 23, 2021, 02:46:00 PMYou still lost.Quote from: Alps on October 23, 2021, 12:01:34 AMWe made to the ALCS spending less money than your wild card loss.Quote from: CoreySamson on October 22, 2021, 11:42:32 PMGlad to see my hated rivals knocked out.
HELL YEAH!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 23, 2021, 10:44:24 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 23, 2021, 10:44:24 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 23, 2021, 08:18:04 PMQuote from: Alps on October 23, 2021, 08:04:21 PMI'll take a deep playoff run over a wildcard loss.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 23, 2021, 02:46:00 PMYou still lost.Quote from: Alps on October 23, 2021, 12:01:34 AMWe made to the ALCS spending less money than your wild card loss.Quote from: CoreySamson on October 22, 2021, 11:42:32 PMGlad to see my hated rivals knocked out.
HELL YEAH!
Both the Yankees and Red Sox accomplished nothing.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 23, 2021, 10:48:59 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 23, 2021, 10:48:59 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 23, 2021, 10:44:24 PMWhich is a good thing.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 23, 2021, 08:18:04 PMQuote from: Alps on October 23, 2021, 08:04:21 PMI'll take a deep playoff run over a wildcard loss.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 23, 2021, 02:46:00 PMYou still lost.Quote from: Alps on October 23, 2021, 12:01:34 AMWe made to the ALCS spending less money than your wild card loss.Quote from: CoreySamson on October 22, 2021, 11:42:32 PMGlad to see my hated rivals knocked out.
HELL YEAH!
Both the Yankees and Red Sox accomplished nothing.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 23, 2021, 10:50:19 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 23, 2021, 10:50:19 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 23, 2021, 10:48:59 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on October 23, 2021, 10:44:24 PMWhich is a good thing.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 23, 2021, 08:18:04 PMQuote from: Alps on October 23, 2021, 08:04:21 PMI'll take a deep playoff run over a wildcard loss.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 23, 2021, 02:46:00 PMYou still lost.Quote from: Alps on October 23, 2021, 12:01:34 AMWe made to the ALCS spending less money than your wild card loss.Quote from: CoreySamson on October 22, 2021, 11:42:32 PMGlad to see my hated rivals knocked out.
HELL YEAH!
Both the Yankees and Red Sox accomplished nothing.
This might surprise most Red Sox fans but they are pretty much just as unliked by the wider MLB fandom as the Yankees.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 23, 2021, 11:12:38 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 23, 2021, 11:12:38 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 23, 2021, 10:50:19 PMThat is true. I have met a lot of people that hate the Red Sox. They have basically become what they hate and that's the Yankees. It's actually become a thing to hate all Boston teams. I don't really have any reason to dislike the Bruins but the rest of the teams there I don't like them but then again Bruins fans are the same people. I feel sorry for Bruins fans having to listen to Jack Edwards though. I like seeing the Original Six teams in the playoffs so the Bruins are alright but the rest of the Boston teams can go to hell.Quote from: Flint1979 on October 23, 2021, 10:48:59 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on October 23, 2021, 10:44:24 PMWhich is a good thing.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 23, 2021, 08:18:04 PMQuote from: Alps on October 23, 2021, 08:04:21 PMI'll take a deep playoff run over a wildcard loss.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 23, 2021, 02:46:00 PMYou still lost.Quote from: Alps on October 23, 2021, 12:01:34 AMWe made to the ALCS spending less money than your wild card loss.Quote from: CoreySamson on October 22, 2021, 11:42:32 PMGlad to see my hated rivals knocked out.
HELL YEAH!
Both the Yankees and Red Sox accomplished nothing.
This might surprise most Red Sox fans but they are pretty much just as unliked by the wider MLB fandom as the Yankees.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 24, 2021, 12:17:11 AM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 24, 2021, 12:17:11 AM
Good job Braves, I'm rooting for you.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 24, 2021, 12:22:34 AM
Post by: Alps on October 24, 2021, 12:22:34 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 24, 2021, 12:17:11 AMBoth teams I was rooting for in the ALCS won. I'm rooting for the Braves on principle of not having cheated recently, but there's 1996 so I... am focusing on hockey
Good job Braves, I'm rooting for you.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 24, 2021, 12:26:32 AM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 24, 2021, 12:26:32 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 23, 2021, 11:12:38 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on October 23, 2021, 10:50:19 PMThat is true. I have met a lot of people that hate the Red Sox. They have basically become what they hate and that's the Yankees. It's actually become a thing to hate all Boston teams. I don't really have any reason to dislike the Bruins but the rest of the teams there I don't like them but then again Bruins fans are the same people. I feel sorry for Bruins fans having to listen to Jack Edwards though. I like seeing the Original Six teams in the playoffs so the Bruins are alright but the rest of the Boston teams can go to hell.Quote from: Flint1979 on October 23, 2021, 10:48:59 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on October 23, 2021, 10:44:24 PMWhich is a good thing.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 23, 2021, 08:18:04 PMQuote from: Alps on October 23, 2021, 08:04:21 PMI'll take a deep playoff run over a wildcard loss.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 23, 2021, 02:46:00 PMYou still lost.Quote from: Alps on October 23, 2021, 12:01:34 AMWe made to the ALCS spending less money than your wild card loss.Quote from: CoreySamson on October 22, 2021, 11:42:32 PMGlad to see my hated rivals knocked out.
HELL YEAH!
Both the Yankees and Red Sox accomplished nothing.
This might surprise most Red Sox fans but they are pretty much just as unliked by the wider MLB fandom as the Yankees.
Why that hate for the Celtics? Storied franchise, legends. The Hollywood Fakers are more detestable with their glitz and glamor. As for New York sports teams, the only teams I really hate are the Yankees and (to a lesser degree) the Jets. Only hate the Mets for 86, the Knicks haven't won anything in almost 50 years, the Nets a little bit for their attempts to be like the Yankees in buying titles, and there's really no reason to hate any of the hockey teams because they're usually in another division. And I grew up watching both the Giants and Pats, and rooting for both was never a problem until 2008 (started watching football around 84-85). I grew up a Whalers fan and my family had season tickets, and I used to hate the Bruins because their fans would take over the Hartford Civic (now XL) Center. But the fights in the stands were better than on the ice. My fandom did not follow Sleazy Petey to Carolina, and I was a free agent for years. I did eventually gravitate to the Bruins because my dad was a huge Bobby Orr fan, and their games were available on TV 38 when I was a kid. And yes, I do miss Fred Cusick calling the games; got excited sometimes, but nowhere near as over the top as Jack.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KCRoadFan on October 24, 2021, 12:41:30 AM
Post by: KCRoadFan on October 24, 2021, 12:41:30 AM
It's official - Astros vs. Braves in the World Series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on October 24, 2021, 01:30:05 AM
Post by: kevinb1994 on October 24, 2021, 01:30:05 AM
Congrats to the Braves for making it to the World Series.
Go Braves! For now.
Go Braves! For now.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 24, 2021, 07:38:11 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 24, 2021, 07:38:11 AM
Go Braves
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 24, 2021, 07:46:10 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 24, 2021, 07:46:10 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on October 24, 2021, 12:26:32 AMThe Celtics is easy, I hate the NBA and don't even watch the highlights of an NBA game so I don't have any desire to like them. The Red Sox I used to not mind them before 2004 but since then they've been just like the Yankees. The Patriots, they are cheaters for one thing, for another thing I'm done with the NFL I haven't watched a single game all year and I know he's not a Patriot anymore but I'm tired of Tom Brady but he spent the majority of his career there. The Bruins like I said I just hate Jack Edwards other than that I really don't hate them and have actually rooted for them before. They played my favorite team in the 2013 SCF and lost so I'm not hating them plus I called into WBZ when they won in 2011 and chatted with Dan Rea for a few minutes so my hatred for the Bruins isn't there.Quote from: Flint1979 on October 23, 2021, 11:12:38 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on October 23, 2021, 10:50:19 PMThat is true. I have met a lot of people that hate the Red Sox. They have basically become what they hate and that's the Yankees. It's actually become a thing to hate all Boston teams. I don't really have any reason to dislike the Bruins but the rest of the teams there I don't like them but then again Bruins fans are the same people. I feel sorry for Bruins fans having to listen to Jack Edwards though. I like seeing the Original Six teams in the playoffs so the Bruins are alright but the rest of the Boston teams can go to hell.Quote from: Flint1979 on October 23, 2021, 10:48:59 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on October 23, 2021, 10:44:24 PMWhich is a good thing.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 23, 2021, 08:18:04 PMQuote from: Alps on October 23, 2021, 08:04:21 PMI'll take a deep playoff run over a wildcard loss.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 23, 2021, 02:46:00 PMYou still lost.Quote from: Alps on October 23, 2021, 12:01:34 AMWe made to the ALCS spending less money than your wild card loss.Quote from: CoreySamson on October 22, 2021, 11:42:32 PMGlad to see my hated rivals knocked out.
HELL YEAH!
Both the Yankees and Red Sox accomplished nothing.
This might surprise most Red Sox fans but they are pretty much just as unliked by the wider MLB fandom as the Yankees.
Why that hate for the Celtics? Storied franchise, legends. The Hollywood Fakers are more detestable with their glitz and glamor. As for New York sports teams, the only teams I really hate are the Yankees and (to a lesser degree) the Jets. Only hate the Mets for 86, the Knicks haven't won anything in almost 50 years, the Nets a little bit for their attempts to be like the Yankees in buying titles, and there's really no reason to hate any of the hockey teams because they're usually in another division. And I grew up watching both the Giants and Pats, and rooting for both was never a problem until 2008 (started watching football around 84-85). I grew up a Whalers fan and my family had season tickets, and I used to hate the Bruins because their fans would take over the Hartford Civic (now XL) Center. But the fights in the stands were better than on the ice. My fandom did not follow Sleazy Petey to Carolina, and I was a free agent for years. I did eventually gravitate to the Bruins because my dad was a huge Bobby Orr fan, and their games were available on TV 38 when I was a kid. And yes, I do miss Fred Cusick calling the games; got excited sometimes, but nowhere near as over the top as Jack.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 24, 2021, 08:38:09 AM
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 24, 2021, 08:38:09 AM
Quote from: Alps on October 24, 2021, 12:22:34 AMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on October 24, 2021, 12:17:11 AMBoth teams I was rooting for in the ALCS won. I'm rooting for the Braves on principle of not having cheated recently, but there's 1996 so I... am focusing on hockey
Good job Braves, I'm rooting for you.
And there was the John Coppolella GM scandal (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2017/11/21/braves-lose-9-international-players-in-mlb-sanctions/107917746/) involving foreign players that led to him being banned from baseball in 2017. However, that did not directly affect on-field performance.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CtrlAltDel on October 24, 2021, 10:38:33 AM
Post by: CtrlAltDel on October 24, 2021, 10:38:33 AM
Quote from: Alps on October 24, 2021, 12:22:34 AM
Both teams I was rooting for in the ALCS won.
I don't think both teams can win the ALCS. :-D
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on October 24, 2021, 10:55:09 AM
Post by: ilpt4u on October 24, 2021, 10:55:09 AM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on October 24, 2021, 10:38:33 AMBut what if both teams also lose the NLCS?!? :meh: :hmmm:Quote from: Alps on October 24, 2021, 12:22:34 AMI don't think both teams can win the ALCS. :-D
Both teams I was rooting for in the ALCS won.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 24, 2021, 12:13:13 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 24, 2021, 12:13:13 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on October 24, 2021, 10:55:09 AMQuote from: CtrlAltDel on October 24, 2021, 10:38:33 AMBut what if both teams also lose the NLCS?!? :meh: :hmmm:Quote from: Alps on October 24, 2021, 12:22:34 AMI don't think both teams can win the ALCS. :-D
Both teams I was rooting for in the ALCS won.
Both teams win and lose in the AL(anland)CS
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on October 25, 2021, 06:33:39 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on October 25, 2021, 06:33:39 PM
Now to see who people want to lose this WS the most(or which city/team do people think has the moral high ground) .........the city that lost the ASG or the city of the garbage can scandal.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 25, 2021, 06:57:58 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 25, 2021, 06:57:58 PM
Quote from: gr8daynegb on October 25, 2021, 06:33:39 PM
Now to see who people want to lose this WS the most(or which city/team do people think has the moral high ground) .........the city that lost the ASG or the city of the garbage can scandal.
The Braves don't have anything to do with voter-suppression laws passed by the state of Georgia, so I'll root for them over the team that actively cheated.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kurumi on October 26, 2021, 12:24:15 AM
Post by: kurumi on October 26, 2021, 12:24:15 AM
I'll bang it out on a trash can lid: --. --- -... .-. .- ...- . ...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on October 26, 2021, 03:43:15 AM
Post by: kevinb1994 on October 26, 2021, 03:43:15 AM
Quote from: kurumi on October 26, 2021, 12:24:15 AMI had to translate that because I thought it meant something else than what you intended it to be. Whew! Go Braves!
I'll bang it out on a trash can lid: --. --- -... .-. .- ...- . ...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on October 26, 2021, 09:19:15 AM
Post by: gr8daynegb on October 26, 2021, 09:19:15 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 25, 2021, 06:57:58 PMQuote from: gr8daynegb on October 25, 2021, 06:33:39 PM
Now to see who people want to lose this WS the most(or which city/team do people think has the moral high ground) .........the city that lost the ASG or the city of the garbage can scandal.
The Braves don't have anything to do with voter-suppression laws passed by the state of Georgia, so I'll root for them over the team that actively cheated.
Well they are playing in the state that passed them......and just remember these laws are less strict than laws for this in Delaware. If anything people might be rooting for Braves to pile on Biden/Brandon at this point lol
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 26, 2021, 10:05:50 AM
Post by: Henry on October 26, 2021, 10:05:50 AM
At this point I'm recusing myself from picking a winner, but if I had to choose, I'd probably go with the Braves as well, as everybody hates the Astros for their cheating in their championship season of 2017. Besides, trash cans ought to be banned from the dugout...and you know what I mean by that.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 26, 2021, 06:45:52 PM
Post by: Alps on October 26, 2021, 06:45:52 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on October 26, 2021, 03:43:15 AMI assumed it was Fuck the Red Sox. Nice chant I enjoy.Quote from: kurumi on October 26, 2021, 12:24:15 AMI had to translate that because I thought it meant something else than what you intended it to be. Whew! Go Braves!
I'll bang it out on a trash can lid: --. --- -... .-. .- ...- . ...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 26, 2021, 07:02:49 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 26, 2021, 07:02:49 PM
I wonder if I took a trash can lid to the ballpark if Alex Cora would sign it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 27, 2021, 11:06:52 AM
Post by: Henry on October 27, 2021, 11:06:52 AM
The Braves steal Game 1 in Houston, but lose Charlie Morton to a leg injury for the rest of the series. This is shaping up to be a fun Fall Classic already.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 27, 2021, 12:38:26 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 27, 2021, 12:38:26 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 26, 2021, 06:45:52 PMUnfortunately for you the only team more hated than the Red Sox is the Yankees.Quote from: kevinb1994 on October 26, 2021, 03:43:15 AMI assumed it was Fuck the Red Sox. Nice chant I enjoy.Quote from: kurumi on October 26, 2021, 12:24:15 AMI had to translate that because I thought it meant something else than what you intended it to be. Whew! Go Braves!
I'll bang it out on a trash can lid: --. --- -... .-. .- ...- . ...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 27, 2021, 12:46:29 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 27, 2021, 12:46:29 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 27, 2021, 12:38:26 PMQuote from: Alps on October 26, 2021, 06:45:52 PMUnfortunately for you the only team more hated than the Red Sox is the Yankees.Quote from: kevinb1994 on October 26, 2021, 03:43:15 AMI assumed it was Fuck the Red Sox. Nice chant I enjoy.Quote from: kurumi on October 26, 2021, 12:24:15 AMI had to translate that because I thought it meant something else than what you intended it to be. Whew! Go Braves!
I'll bang it out on a trash can lid: --. --- -... .-. .- ...- . ...
I dislike both equally. Throw the Cubs in there as probably as something of a tier below.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 27, 2021, 03:09:16 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 27, 2021, 03:09:16 PM
The teams I hate I hate them equally.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 27, 2021, 03:12:15 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 27, 2021, 03:12:15 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 26, 2021, 06:45:52 PMQuote from: kevinb1994 on October 26, 2021, 03:43:15 AMI assumed it was Fuck the Red Sox. Nice chant I enjoy.Quote from: kurumi on October 26, 2021, 12:24:15 AMI had to translate that because I thought it meant something else than what you intended it to be. Whew! Go Braves!
I'll bang it out on a trash can lid: --. --- -... .-. .- ...- . ...
..-. ..- -.-. -.- / - .... . / -.-- .- -. -.- . . ...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kurumi on October 27, 2021, 08:02:05 PM
Post by: kurumi on October 27, 2021, 08:02:05 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on October 27, 2021, 03:12:15 PMQuote from: Alps on October 26, 2021, 06:45:52 PM..-. ..- -.-. -.- / - .... . / -.-- .- -. -.- . . ...Quote from: kevinb1994 on October 26, 2021, 03:43:15 AMI assumed it was Fuck the Red Sox. Nice chant I enjoy.Quote from: kurumi on October 26, 2021, 12:24:15 AMI had to translate that because I thought it meant something else than what you intended it to be. Whew! Go Braves!
I'll bang it out on a trash can lid: --. --- -... .-. .- ...- . ...
Here's two cents from a bicoastal NE/SF homer:
in the Before Times: Wow, being a die-hard fan in NE is for suckers. Enjoy the good times, disregard the bad, because in the end, it's always someone else's favorite team. Fair weather fan forever! (PS Fuck the Yankees)
1999 NCAAM Championship: Huh. That's cool.
2001 Super Bowl: seems like the clouds might be parting a little
2004 ALCS: with this and the Pats and both UConn teams, actually, the weather's pretty damn sunny now
"Fuck the Yankees" is still a thing, but more amicable (as "1918" has lost its sting) and "Fuck Eli" pops up a couple times; but even the Bruins and Celtics get one. The Red Sox reputation as scrappy underdogs kind of fades too, as they're also a high-payroll team in the Northeast with obnoxious fans. Image: spidermans-pointing-at-each-other.jpg
2010, 12, 14: Hey, non-New York Baseball Giants!
2015: Warriors????
2018: People are sick of the Warriors? For winning??? We were sick of them for losing (and still being the topic on sports talk radio 12 hours a day)
2020: hmmm, the Pats may be done for a while. And UConn's 4(!) championships seem like from another era. Nice run, though
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KCRoadFan on October 27, 2021, 11:38:05 PM
Post by: KCRoadFan on October 27, 2021, 11:38:05 PM
Astros beat the Braves today, 7-2, to tie the World Series at one game apiece. Game 3 is Friday night in Atlanta.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on October 28, 2021, 01:17:06 PM
Post by: CoreySamson on October 28, 2021, 01:17:06 PM
Kinda what I expected to happen over the first two games. I think the Astros completely underestimated the Braves in the first game because they were distracted by the fact that the Dodgers weren't going to play in the WS and because they were fooled by the Braves' comparatively low winning percentage. Also, I don't think people realize how similar these two teams are in terms of stats. But now I think the Astros are on track. I'm predicting Astros in 6.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on October 29, 2021, 11:46:21 PM
Post by: kevinb1994 on October 29, 2021, 11:46:21 PM
Congrats to the Braves for winning the World Series. 4-2 baby!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on November 01, 2021, 11:37:32 AM
Post by: Henry on November 01, 2021, 11:37:32 AM
Back to Houston tomorrow night for Game 6; too bad the Braves couldn't clinch in their home park like they did in '95.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: I-39 on November 02, 2021, 11:39:56 PM
Post by: I-39 on November 02, 2021, 11:39:56 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on October 28, 2021, 01:17:06 PM
Kinda what I expected to happen over the first two games. I think the Astros completely underestimated the Braves in the first game because they were distracted by the fact that the Dodgers weren't going to play in the WS and because they were fooled by the Braves' comparatively low winning percentage. Also, I don't think people realize how similar these two teams are in terms of stats. But now I think the Astros are on track. I'm predicting Astros in 6.
You should never be so confident in a team managed by Dusty Baker
Congrats to the Braves!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on November 03, 2021, 06:39:30 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on November 03, 2021, 06:39:30 AM
Quote from: I-39 on November 02, 2021, 11:39:56 PMThat is so true. I have seen this guy ruin the careers of several players, especially pitchers.Quote from: CoreySamson on October 28, 2021, 01:17:06 PM
Kinda what I expected to happen over the first two games. I think the Astros completely underestimated the Braves in the first game because they were distracted by the fact that the Dodgers weren't going to play in the WS and because they were fooled by the Braves' comparatively low winning percentage. Also, I don't think people realize how similar these two teams are in terms of stats. But now I think the Astros are on track. I'm predicting Astros in 6.
You should never be so confident in a team managed by Dusty Baker
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 03, 2021, 07:26:22 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 03, 2021, 07:26:22 AM
Quote from: Henry on November 01, 2021, 11:37:32 AM
Back to Houston tomorrow night for Game 6; too bad the Braves couldn't clinch in their home park like they did in '95.
I looked it up last night and no team has won the World Series at home since 2013.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on November 03, 2021, 09:07:04 AM
Post by: ET21 on November 03, 2021, 09:07:04 AM
Last time a team clinched a World Series on a shutout win: Game 4 2005, White Sox 1, Houston 0.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on November 03, 2021, 09:14:21 AM
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on November 03, 2021, 09:14:21 AM
As I expected, the Astros are now cursed. I congrat the Braves for their "World" Series win, and thus the supposed curse over Atlanta is now broken (it may have been broken by MLS's Atlanta United FC in 2018). I predict others will follow, such as the Cleveland Indians Guardians.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on November 03, 2021, 09:23:57 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on November 03, 2021, 09:23:57 AM
Quote from: ET21 on November 03, 2021, 09:07:04 AMI remember that game well.
Last time a team clinched a World Series on a shutout win: Game 4 2005, White Sox 1, Houston 0.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on November 03, 2021, 10:22:52 AM
Post by: Henry on November 03, 2021, 10:22:52 AM
Quote from: ET21 on November 03, 2021, 09:07:04 AMIt's also ironic that the '91 and '95 World Series ended with that same score (Game 7 and 6, respectively). The Braves were on the losing end of the former, but went on to win the latter.
Last time a team clinched a World Series on a shutout win: Game 4 2005, White Sox 1, Houston 0.
And on yet another note, for the second time in three years, the Astros have lost the Fall Classic to a team that had a losing record at the All-Star break. You remember how the Braves' NL East rivals, the Washington Nationals, lost 31 of their first 50 games, and then started heating up late in the regular season before ending their red-hot postseason run with their city's first World Series championship in 95 years? It just goes to show that in the MLB postseason, payroll and the number of wins you had over the 162-game schedule don't mean a thing.
I'm glad I could see Atlanta get its second World Series title; hopefully the Falcons will win a Super Bowl, and the Hawks an NBA championship (that is, to go with the one they got from their St. Louis years).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on November 03, 2021, 11:40:59 AM
Post by: CoreySamson on November 03, 2021, 11:40:59 AM
Hey, I'm happy we've managed to make it to the WS 3 times in the last 5 years, and at least we didn't have to lose at the hands of the Dodgers. :sombrero: I feel really bad for Dusty, though. Congrats, Atlanta!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ran4sh on November 03, 2021, 07:58:37 PM
Post by: ran4sh on November 03, 2021, 07:58:37 PM
Go Braves!
Five decades of major league sports in Atlanta and this is only our 2nd championship (3rd if you include MLS)
Five decades of major league sports in Atlanta and this is only our 2nd championship (3rd if you include MLS)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: I-39 on November 03, 2021, 11:37:41 PM
Post by: I-39 on November 03, 2021, 11:37:41 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on November 03, 2021, 06:39:30 AMQuote from: I-39 on November 02, 2021, 11:39:56 PMThat is so true. I have seen this guy ruin the careers of several players, especially pitchers.Quote from: CoreySamson on October 28, 2021, 01:17:06 PM
Kinda what I expected to happen over the first two games. I think the Astros completely underestimated the Braves in the first game because they were distracted by the fact that the Dodgers weren't going to play in the WS and because they were fooled by the Braves' comparatively low winning percentage. Also, I don't think people realize how similar these two teams are in terms of stats. But now I think the Astros are on track. I'm predicting Astros in 6.
You should never be so confident in a team managed by Dusty Baker
Not just that, but he's one of the biggest managerial chokers in baseball history. He has a whole section on his Wikipedia page describing them all. The "˜93 Giants, the "˜02 Giants, the "˜03 Cubs, the "˜12 Reds, etc, just to name some of them.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on November 04, 2021, 08:00:06 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on November 04, 2021, 08:00:06 AM
Quote from: I-39 on November 03, 2021, 11:37:41 PMYeah I remember when he said that putting guys on base isn't important and just clogs up the bases. I remember the first year he managed the Giants they won 103 games but missed the postseason because the Braves won 104 games.Quote from: Flint1979 on November 03, 2021, 06:39:30 AMQuote from: I-39 on November 02, 2021, 11:39:56 PMThat is so true. I have seen this guy ruin the careers of several players, especially pitchers.Quote from: CoreySamson on October 28, 2021, 01:17:06 PM
Kinda what I expected to happen over the first two games. I think the Astros completely underestimated the Braves in the first game because they were distracted by the fact that the Dodgers weren't going to play in the WS and because they were fooled by the Braves' comparatively low winning percentage. Also, I don't think people realize how similar these two teams are in terms of stats. But now I think the Astros are on track. I'm predicting Astros in 6.
You should never be so confident in a team managed by Dusty Baker
Not just that, but he's one of the biggest managerial chokers in baseball history. He has a whole section on his Wikipedia page describing them all. The "˜93 Giants, the "˜02 Giants, the "˜03 Cubs, the "˜12 Reds, etc, just to name some of them.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on November 11, 2021, 10:19:06 AM
Post by: Henry on November 11, 2021, 10:19:06 AM
The Braves are now accused of tanking in order to win a World Series:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32600372/agent-scott-boras-tanking-mlb-competitive-cancer-led-atlanta-braves-world-series-title
Along the way, the Cubs and Astros are also cited for doing the exact same thing before winning their own titles in 2016 and 2017, respectively. I do remember watching the Cubs lose 100 games in the early 2010s before going on that miracle run that ended their 108-year championship drought, and at least their title is legitimate, unlike the Astros.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32600372/agent-scott-boras-tanking-mlb-competitive-cancer-led-atlanta-braves-world-series-title
Along the way, the Cubs and Astros are also cited for doing the exact same thing before winning their own titles in 2016 and 2017, respectively. I do remember watching the Cubs lose 100 games in the early 2010s before going on that miracle run that ended their 108-year championship drought, and at least their title is legitimate, unlike the Astros.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 11, 2021, 11:12:17 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 11, 2021, 11:12:17 AM
Quote from: Henry on November 11, 2021, 10:19:06 AM
The Braves are now accused of tanking in order to win a World Series:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32600372/agent-scott-boras-tanking-mlb-competitive-cancer-led-atlanta-braves-world-series-title
Along the way, the Cubs and Astros are also cited for doing the exact same thing before winning their own titles in 2016 and 2017, respectively. I do remember watching the Cubs lose 100 games in the early 2010s before going on that miracle run that ended their 108-year championship drought, and at least their title is legitimate, unlike the Astros.
Scott Boras is an agent who makes more money when the players make more money. He will say anything and everything to try and get the players a bigger share of revenues.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on November 12, 2021, 02:51:19 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on November 12, 2021, 02:51:19 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 11, 2021, 11:12:17 AMQuote from: Henry on November 11, 2021, 10:19:06 AM
The Braves are now accused of tanking in order to win a World Series:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32600372/agent-scott-boras-tanking-mlb-competitive-cancer-led-atlanta-braves-world-series-title
Along the way, the Cubs and Astros are also cited for doing the exact same thing before winning their own titles in 2016 and 2017, respectively. I do remember watching the Cubs lose 100 games in the early 2010s before going on that miracle run that ended their 108-year championship drought, and at least their title is legitimate, unlike the Astros.
Scott Boras is an agent who makes more money when the players make more money. He will say anything and everything to try and get the players a bigger share of revenues.
If we look at the Cubs this year......bunch of higher paid guys in last years of deal, and Cubs were not going anywhere, did Boras think Cubs would let everyone walk for nothing? We know Boras for trying to get every cent for his clients does not believe he in any way created this said issue lol
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Mark68 on November 12, 2021, 07:11:29 PM
Post by: Mark68 on November 12, 2021, 07:11:29 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on November 04, 2021, 08:00:06 AMQuote from: I-39 on November 03, 2021, 11:37:41 PMYeah I remember when he said that putting guys on base isn't important and just clogs up the bases. I remember the first year he managed the Giants they won 103 games but missed the postseason because the Braves won 104 games.Quote from: Flint1979 on November 03, 2021, 06:39:30 AMQuote from: I-39 on November 02, 2021, 11:39:56 PMThat is so true. I have seen this guy ruin the careers of several players, especially pitchers.Quote from: CoreySamson on October 28, 2021, 01:17:06 PM
Kinda what I expected to happen over the first two games. I think the Astros completely underestimated the Braves in the first game because they were distracted by the fact that the Dodgers weren't going to play in the WS and because they were fooled by the Braves' comparatively low winning percentage. Also, I don't think people realize how similar these two teams are in terms of stats. But now I think the Astros are on track. I'm predicting Astros in 6.
You should never be so confident in a team managed by Dusty Baker
Not just that, but he's one of the biggest managerial chokers in baseball history. He has a whole section on his Wikipedia page describing them all. The "˜93 Giants, the "˜02 Giants, the "˜03 Cubs, the "˜12 Reds, etc, just to name some of them.
I remember him letting his then 4-year old son almost get run over by JT Snow in the World Series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on November 12, 2021, 08:40:44 PM
Post by: Henry on November 12, 2021, 08:40:44 PM
Quote from: gr8daynegb on November 12, 2021, 02:51:19 PMWhen the season began, Schwarber was already gone, and by midseason, so would Bryant, Rizzo and Baez. Gone are the days when dynasties would last for multiple seasons, which may be part of the reason why the Yankees haven't won another World Series in a dozen years, despite still making the postseason more often than not. The Dodgers' window is closing too, so they may prove that point once again.Quote from: cabiness42 on November 11, 2021, 11:12:17 AMQuote from: Henry on November 11, 2021, 10:19:06 AM
The Braves are now accused of tanking in order to win a World Series:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32600372/agent-scott-boras-tanking-mlb-competitive-cancer-led-atlanta-braves-world-series-title
Along the way, the Cubs and Astros are also cited for doing the exact same thing before winning their own titles in 2016 and 2017, respectively. I do remember watching the Cubs lose 100 games in the early 2010s before going on that miracle run that ended their 108-year championship drought, and at least their title is legitimate, unlike the Astros.
Scott Boras is an agent who makes more money when the players make more money. He will say anything and everything to try and get the players a bigger share of revenues.
If we look at the Cubs this year......bunch of higher paid guys in last years of deal, and Cubs were not going anywhere, did Boras think Cubs would let everyone walk for nothing? We know Boras for trying to get every cent for his clients does not believe he in any way created this said issue lol
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on November 12, 2021, 11:12:23 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on November 12, 2021, 11:12:23 PM
Look at the roller coaster ride the Red Sox have been for the last 15 years or so. Win in 04, tail off a bit in 05, bottom out in 06, win again in 07, start the decline again in 08, bottom out in 09-10, blow it in 11, tank in 12, win it all in 13, bomb out again 14-16, better in 17, world beaters in 18, bomb out again 19-20, then respectable again this past year.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on November 13, 2021, 05:29:18 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on November 13, 2021, 05:29:18 AM
Quote from: Mark68 on November 12, 2021, 07:11:29 PMI remember that too.Quote from: Flint1979 on November 04, 2021, 08:00:06 AMQuote from: I-39 on November 03, 2021, 11:37:41 PMYeah I remember when he said that putting guys on base isn't important and just clogs up the bases. I remember the first year he managed the Giants they won 103 games but missed the postseason because the Braves won 104 games.Quote from: Flint1979 on November 03, 2021, 06:39:30 AMQuote from: I-39 on November 02, 2021, 11:39:56 PMThat is so true. I have seen this guy ruin the careers of several players, especially pitchers.Quote from: CoreySamson on October 28, 2021, 01:17:06 PM
Kinda what I expected to happen over the first two games. I think the Astros completely underestimated the Braves in the first game because they were distracted by the fact that the Dodgers weren't going to play in the WS and because they were fooled by the Braves' comparatively low winning percentage. Also, I don't think people realize how similar these two teams are in terms of stats. But now I think the Astros are on track. I'm predicting Astros in 6.
You should never be so confident in a team managed by Dusty Baker
Not just that, but he's one of the biggest managerial chokers in baseball history. He has a whole section on his Wikipedia page describing them all. The "˜93 Giants, the "˜02 Giants, the "˜03 Cubs, the "˜12 Reds, etc, just to name some of them.
I remember him letting his then 4-year old son almost get run over by JT Snow in the World Series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on November 15, 2021, 10:58:45 AM
Post by: Henry on November 15, 2021, 10:58:45 AM
The countdown to December 1 is on: Will there be a work stoppage in MLB? After 26 years of labor peace, we may see a repeat of the most devastating strike to ever hit the sport.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 15, 2021, 12:51:04 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 15, 2021, 12:51:04 PM
Quote from: Henry on November 15, 2021, 10:58:45 AM
The countdown to December 1 is on: Will there be a work stoppage in MLB? After 26 years of labor peace, we may see a repeat of the most devastating strike to ever hit the sport.
It depends on the players. The current CBA is very favorable to the owners and they're going to call the players' bluff. The players have to be willing to give up the 2022 season if they want to get serious concessions.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on December 02, 2021, 10:14:11 AM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on December 02, 2021, 10:14:11 AM
Major League Baseball is on lockout.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32754352/everything-need-know-mlb-looming-lockout
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32754352/everything-need-know-mlb-looming-lockout
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Welcome to the end of baseball ... for a while, at least.
At 11:59 p.m. ET Wednesday, the collective bargaining agreement between Major League Baseball and the Major League Baseball Players Association expired. At 12:01 Thursday morning, the league informed the players that it had locked them out, beginning the game's first work stoppage in more than 25 years.
So what does that mean for the rest of the offseason? How long will it last? What are the sticking points in the negotiations? And what's a lockout, anyway?
ESPN baseball expert Jesse Rogers tackles those questions and more.
Latest: MLB, MLBPA fail to reach new labor agreement; league issues lockout | Playoff pitch, draft lottery in CBA talks
More: A brief history of MLB labor stoppages (ESPN+) | 'Oh my God, how can we do this?': An oral history of the 1994 MLB strike
How did we get here? What is a lockout -- and why now?
The last deal between Major League Baseball and the MLBPA was negotiated in 2016. The current collective bargaining agreement covers everything from how long the season will last to what kind of per diem players receive on the road. It also addresses the greater economics of the game, such as free agency and arbitration. And it ended at midnight. At 12:01, the owners locked out the players, hoping to push the union into a more urgent state of negotiation. It's essentially the antithesis of a players' strike. Since players don't get paid in the offseason, nor are there games, there's nothing for them to strike over. Instead, the league chose to halt all player activity as it relates to their teams. No free-agent signings, no use of team facilities -- in fact, no contact of any kind between team and player -- is allowed until a new agreement is reached.
How long is the lockout expected to last? Could games be lost next year?
Yes, games could be lost. That's always a possibility once a work stoppage occurs, but with three months until the regular season begins, it would be shocking if 2022 didn't go a full 162 games. There is a chance spring training doesn't start on time, using that period as a soft deadline to force some issues to get resolved, but we're far from that happening. The sides already lost a lot of money during the pandemic. Anything short of a full season would be another devastating blow to the sport, both economically and from a public relations standpoint.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on December 02, 2021, 10:56:38 AM
Post by: Henry on December 02, 2021, 10:56:38 AM
Not the least bit surprised, but it was a good 26 years.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: thspfc on December 02, 2021, 12:23:29 PM
Post by: thspfc on December 02, 2021, 12:23:29 PM
Should this lockout continue into the regular season, it would be more than a paper cut to a sport that is currently dying of 1,000 paper cuts.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tchafe1978 on December 03, 2021, 10:08:50 AM
Post by: tchafe1978 on December 03, 2021, 10:08:50 AM
I'm thinking they'll come to an agreement before the season begins, even if spring training is delayed a little bit. Neither side wants a repeat of 1994. Now that would be the death of baseball.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on December 03, 2021, 03:03:36 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on December 03, 2021, 03:03:36 PM
I wonder who everyone is going to blame. My guess is Manfred as he is already hated by baseball fans.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on December 03, 2021, 03:44:10 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on December 03, 2021, 03:44:10 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on December 03, 2021, 10:08:50 AM
I'm thinking they'll come to an agreement before the season begins, even if spring training is delayed a little bit. Neither side wants a repeat of 1994. Now that would be the death of baseball.
The only way the season starts on time is if the players cave. The owners won't give an inch until some if not most of the season is lost.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Billy F 1988 on December 03, 2021, 10:25:31 PM
Post by: Billy F 1988 on December 03, 2021, 10:25:31 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 03, 2021, 03:03:36 PM
I wonder who everyone is going to blame. My guess is Manfred as he is already hated by baseball fans.
He's been already blamed for the delayed restart of the season before given what COVID was doing because the MLBPA and the ownership groups of all the teams squabbled about money. And that's what this newest squabble is about. No matter what side fans pick, they'll never get what they want because the MLBPA and the ownership groups in MLB with Manfred in tow will screw them up to no end. If this doesn't get resolved, he will go down in history as the worst MLB commissioner.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: I-39 on December 04, 2021, 10:13:20 AM
Post by: I-39 on December 04, 2021, 10:13:20 AM
Why does it seem that labor issues are more contentious in baseball than other sports?
And what exactly is the latest dispute over? Seriously, baseball players are some of the highest paid athletes in North American sports. How much more do they need? If anything, the owners need to impose a true salary cap and a 5 year limit on the length contracts. Yeah, I know that will never happen, but it should........
And what exactly is the latest dispute over? Seriously, baseball players are some of the highest paid athletes in North American sports. How much more do they need? If anything, the owners need to impose a true salary cap and a 5 year limit on the length contracts. Yeah, I know that will never happen, but it should........
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on December 04, 2021, 10:37:34 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on December 04, 2021, 10:37:34 AM
Quote from: I-39 on December 04, 2021, 10:13:20 AM
Why does it seem that labor issues are more contentious in baseball than other sports?
And what exactly is the latest dispute over? Seriously, baseball players are some of the highest paid athletes in North American sports. How much more do they need? If anything, the owners need to impose a true salary cap and a 5 year limit on the length contracts. Yeah, I know that will never happen, but it should........
As a percentage of revenue, baseball players collectively earn less than the other sports. Players get about 40% of baseball revenue, where other sports it's closer to 50%.
In other sports, owners are required to spend a certain minimum amount on player salaries. In baseball, the Pittsburgh Pirates can consistently trade away their highest earning players for rookies making league minimum and keep their payroll to about 15% of the Dodgers payroll. That's not a sustainable mode.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 25, 2022, 06:21:15 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 25, 2022, 06:21:15 PM
David Ortiz get into the baseball HOF on the first ballot but all the other steroid cheats are shut out. Apparently, in sports, cheating doesn't pay unless you play in New England.
Really glad I got to visit the HOF this summer while it was still clean.
Really glad I got to visit the HOF this summer while it was still clean.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SectorZ on January 25, 2022, 06:59:55 PM
Post by: SectorZ on January 25, 2022, 06:59:55 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 25, 2022, 06:21:15 PM
David Ortiz get into the baseball HOF on the first ballot but all the other steroid cheats are shut out. Apparently, in sports, cheating doesn't pay unless you play in New England.
Really glad I got to visit the HOF this summer while it was still clean.
He tested "positive" for an unknown or (as Rob Manfred) said, possibly an even legal over the counter med. Never tested positive in the real world and was never accused by anyone otherwise.
Stop crapping all over New England. I bet you get REAL friggin' silent when it comes to Peyton Manning's "wife" getting HGH mailed to her home.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 25, 2022, 07:02:09 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 25, 2022, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on January 25, 2022, 06:59:55 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on January 25, 2022, 06:21:15 PM
David Ortiz get into the baseball HOF on the first ballot but all the other steroid cheats are shut out. Apparently, in sports, cheating doesn't pay unless you play in New England.
Really glad I got to visit the HOF this summer while it was still clean.
He tested "positive" for an unknown or (as Rob Manfred) said, possibly an even legal over the counter med. Never tested positive in the real world and was never accused by anyone otherwise.
Stop crapping all over New England. I bet you get REAL friggin' silent when it comes to Peyton Manning's "wife" getting HGH mailed to her home.
Well, I'm a Bears fan and not a Colts fan, plus the NFL was testing for HGH at that time.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SectorZ on January 25, 2022, 07:30:59 PM
Post by: SectorZ on January 25, 2022, 07:30:59 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 25, 2022, 07:02:09 PMQuote from: SectorZ on January 25, 2022, 06:59:55 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on January 25, 2022, 06:21:15 PM
David Ortiz get into the baseball HOF on the first ballot but all the other steroid cheats are shut out. Apparently, in sports, cheating doesn't pay unless you play in New England.
Really glad I got to visit the HOF this summer while it was still clean.
He tested "positive" for an unknown or (as Rob Manfred) said, possibly an even legal over the counter med. Never tested positive in the real world and was never accused by anyone otherwise.
Stop crapping all over New England. I bet you get REAL friggin' silent when it comes to Peyton Manning's "wife" getting HGH mailed to her home.
Well, I'm a Bears fan and not a Colts fan, plus the NFL was testing for HGH at that time.
Then Jeff Blake is my follow-up answer if you consider Tom Brady a cheater. Beyond that, I imagine your concept of "cheating" comes with very little science to back it up.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 25, 2022, 08:32:14 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 25, 2022, 08:32:14 PM
The biggest difference with David Ortiz was that he was a really likable media darling. Bonds was a total asshole to the media most of his career and Roger Clemons wasn't all that great either. I say put all of the suspected/confirmed steroid users in this discussion in the Hall states or none at all.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 25, 2022, 10:20:22 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 25, 2022, 10:20:22 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on January 25, 2022, 07:30:59 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on January 25, 2022, 07:02:09 PMQuote from: SectorZ on January 25, 2022, 06:59:55 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on January 25, 2022, 06:21:15 PM
David Ortiz get into the baseball HOF on the first ballot but all the other steroid cheats are shut out. Apparently, in sports, cheating doesn't pay unless you play in New England.
Really glad I got to visit the HOF this summer while it was still clean.
He tested "positive" for an unknown or (as Rob Manfred) said, possibly an even legal over the counter med. Never tested positive in the real world and was never accused by anyone otherwise.
Stop crapping all over New England. I bet you get REAL friggin' silent when it comes to Peyton Manning's "wife" getting HGH mailed to her home.
Well, I'm a Bears fan and not a Colts fan, plus the NFL was testing for HGH at that time.
Then Jeff Blake is my follow-up answer if you consider Tom Brady a cheater. Beyond that, I imagine your concept of "cheating" comes with very little science to back it up.
I don't remember Jeff Blake playing for the Bears, though the Bears have had an awful lot of forgettable quarterbacks. Not sure what you consider to be science, but there were two video incidents and a ball deflation incident.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on January 26, 2022, 01:08:04 PM
Post by: Henry on January 26, 2022, 01:08:04 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 25, 2022, 08:32:14 PMTo say the least, I'm glad Bonds is not in the Hall of Fame. He and Clemens now join Shoeless Joe Jackson and Pete Rose as the greatest players to be banned from the sport's highest honor. However, it's sad (at least from a Cubs fan's point of view) that Sammy Sosa didn't get in either, considering that he has more 60-HR seasons than anyone else and is a beloved sports figure in Chicago.
The biggest difference with David Ortiz was that he was a really likable media darling. Bonds was a total asshole to the media most of his career and Roger Clemons wasn't all that great either. I say put all of the suspected/confirmed steroid users in this discussion in the Hall states or none at all.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on January 26, 2022, 05:33:31 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on January 26, 2022, 05:33:31 PM
Quote from: Henry on January 26, 2022, 01:08:04 PMCorky Sosa falls under the same category as Bonds and Clemens.Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 25, 2022, 08:32:14 PMTo say the least, I'm glad Bonds is not in the Hall of Fame. He and Clemens now join Shoeless Joe Jackson and Pete Rose as the greatest players to be banned from the sport's highest honor. However, it's sad (at least from a Cubs fan's point of view) that Sammy Sosa didn't get in either, considering that he has more 60-HR seasons than anyone else and is a beloved sports figure in Chicago.
The biggest difference with David Ortiz was that he was a really likable media darling. Bonds was a total asshole to the media most of his career and Roger Clemons wasn't all that great either. I say put all of the suspected/confirmed steroid users in this discussion in the Hall states or none at all.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on January 26, 2022, 05:38:23 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on January 26, 2022, 05:38:23 PM
Quote from: Henry on January 26, 2022, 01:08:04 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on January 25, 2022, 08:32:14 PMTo say the least, I'm glad Bonds is not in the Hall of Fame. He and Clemens now join Shoeless Joe Jackson and Pete Rose as the greatest players to be banned from the sport's highest honor. However, it's sad (at least from a Cubs fan's point of view) that Sammy Sosa didn't get in either, considering that he has more 60-HR seasons than anyone else and is a beloved sports figure in Chicago.
The biggest difference with David Ortiz was that he was a really likable media darling. Bonds was a total asshole to the media most of his career and Roger Clemons wasn't all that great either. I say put all of the suspected/confirmed steroid users in this discussion in the Hall states or none at all.
A little bit apples to oranges. Shoeless Joe and Charlie Hustle are banned and ineligible for any type of consideration. Bonds and Clemens (along with Schilling and Sammy) could conceivably get in as early as next year if the Today's Game committee elects them when they vote later this Fall.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on January 26, 2022, 05:41:27 PM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on January 26, 2022, 05:41:27 PM
I wonder if Bonds and Clemens will get in at some point in the future, once a younger generation with comparatively little memory of the steroid era are in a position to vote.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on January 26, 2022, 06:52:12 PM
Post by: Alps on January 26, 2022, 06:52:12 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on January 25, 2022, 06:59:55 PMI'm a Yankees fan and I'm fine with Ortiz.Quote from: cabiness42 on January 25, 2022, 06:21:15 PM
David Ortiz get into the baseball HOF on the first ballot but all the other steroid cheats are shut out. Apparently, in sports, cheating doesn't pay unless you play in New England.
Really glad I got to visit the HOF this summer while it was still clean.
He tested "positive" for an unknown or (as Rob Manfred) said, possibly an even legal over the counter med. Never tested positive in the real world and was never accused by anyone otherwise.
Stop crapping all over New England. I bet you get REAL friggin' silent when it comes to Peyton Manning's "wife" getting HGH mailed to her home.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: DTComposer on January 27, 2022, 06:14:31 PM
Post by: DTComposer on January 27, 2022, 06:14:31 PM
Players have been looking for an edge since the beginning of the game. I guarantee there are dozens of players in the Hall from pre-1980 who used uppers and what not; had modern steroids been around in 1950 they probably would have been encouraged - better living through chemistry and all that. Look at how smoking was perceived at the time.
Meanwhile, I don't recall Selig doing anything substantial about the issue in the '90s, while roided-up Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa were nearly single-handedly putting eyeballs back on the screens and butts back in the seats after the 1994 strike. He was happy to let them save the sport then...pretty hypocritical.
I don't honestly care if these particular players get in or not - but if you want the Hall to tell the story of baseball and not just be a monument to statistics, then they should get in, along with Rose, Shoeless Joe, and the others.
Meanwhile, I don't recall Selig doing anything substantial about the issue in the '90s, while roided-up Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa were nearly single-handedly putting eyeballs back on the screens and butts back in the seats after the 1994 strike. He was happy to let them save the sport then...pretty hypocritical.
I don't honestly care if these particular players get in or not - but if you want the Hall to tell the story of baseball and not just be a monument to statistics, then they should get in, along with Rose, Shoeless Joe, and the others.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on January 27, 2022, 06:16:59 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on January 27, 2022, 06:16:59 PM
Bonds needs to make it in someday
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on January 27, 2022, 06:32:57 PM
Post by: Alps on January 27, 2022, 06:32:57 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 27, 2022, 06:16:59 PMThe Hall of Cheaters is open for him and Brady/Belichick.
Bonds needs to make it in someday
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: I-39 on February 05, 2022, 09:25:44 AM
Post by: I-39 on February 05, 2022, 09:25:44 AM
Quote from: Henry on January 26, 2022, 01:08:04 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on January 25, 2022, 08:32:14 PMTo say the least, I'm glad Bonds is not in the Hall of Fame. He and Clemens now join Shoeless Joe Jackson and Pete Rose as the greatest players to be banned from the sport's highest honor. However, it's sad (at least from a Cubs fan's point of view) that Sammy Sosa didn't get in either, considering that he has more 60-HR seasons than anyone else and is a beloved sports figure in Chicago.
The biggest difference with David Ortiz was that he was a really likable media darling. Bonds was a total asshole to the media most of his career and Roger Clemons wasn't all that great either. I say put all of the suspected/confirmed steroid users in this discussion in the Hall states or none at all.
Beloved? Not so sure anymore. I certainly don't like Sammy after his arrogant comments and the arrogant way he left the team.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 08, 2022, 10:22:25 PM
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 08, 2022, 10:22:25 PM
Quote from: I-39 on February 05, 2022, 09:25:44 AMQuote from: Henry on January 26, 2022, 01:08:04 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on January 25, 2022, 08:32:14 PMTo say the least, I'm glad Bonds is not in the Hall of Fame. He and Clemens now join Shoeless Joe Jackson and Pete Rose as the greatest players to be banned from the sport's highest honor. However, it's sad (at least from a Cubs fan's point of view) that Sammy Sosa didn't get in either, considering that he has more 60-HR seasons than anyone else and is a beloved sports figure in Chicago.
The biggest difference with David Ortiz was that he was a really likable media darling. Bonds was a total asshole to the media most of his career and Roger Clemons wasn't all that great either. I say put all of the suspected/confirmed steroid users in this discussion in the Hall states or none at all.
Beloved? Not so sure anymore. I certainly don't like Sammy after his arrogant comments and the arrogant way he left the team.
Bonds and Clemens aren't banned.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on February 09, 2022, 11:49:57 AM
Post by: Henry on February 09, 2022, 11:49:57 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 08, 2022, 10:22:25 PMI take it back. They can still get in AFAIK, but most likely never will.Quote from: I-39 on February 05, 2022, 09:25:44 AMQuote from: Henry on January 26, 2022, 01:08:04 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on January 25, 2022, 08:32:14 PMTo say the least, I'm glad Bonds is not in the Hall of Fame. He and Clemens now join Shoeless Joe Jackson and Pete Rose as the greatest players to be banned from the sport's highest honor. However, it's sad (at least from a Cubs fan's point of view) that Sammy Sosa didn't get in either, considering that he has more 60-HR seasons than anyone else and is a beloved sports figure in Chicago.
The biggest difference with David Ortiz was that he was a really likable media darling. Bonds was a total asshole to the media most of his career and Roger Clemons wasn't all that great either. I say put all of the suspected/confirmed steroid users in this discussion in the Hall states or none at all.
Beloved? Not so sure anymore. I certainly don't like Sammy after his arrogant comments and the arrogant way he left the team.
Bonds and Clemens aren't banned.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on February 24, 2022, 10:29:59 AM
Post by: Henry on February 24, 2022, 10:29:59 AM
Time is running out on getting the season started as scheduled. While I like that the two sides are continuing to negotiate, I'm beginning to worry more and more that we'll have yet another short season, which would be the second such one in three years (of course 2020 was due to the COVID pandemic). But as always, we'll need to stay tuned for the latest updates.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Billy F 1988 on February 24, 2022, 07:34:40 PM
Post by: Billy F 1988 on February 24, 2022, 07:34:40 PM
I always find this as ridiculously laughable because money is the only thing important to MLB shareholders, not giving a hot elephant's tusk about the fans who purchase season passes or are semi-regular attendees of games. They're always fighting about who gets what, how often, how much, and so on. It's like c'mon, Major League Baseball! Get your *POOP* heads out of whatever hole you crawled in to, give the players the fair share of what they will be payed for so they don't have a reason to jump ship and go to another sport! What Major League Baseball needs is a SINGLE chief arbiter, not multiple ones bickering and bitching to the owners and presidents of the major teams and their shareholders! Get it figured our or just shut the sport down completely and we'll raise funds for a new major baseball governing body that doesn't gig players up the backside and leave them out in the cold, that gives players of all nationalities a fair opportunity to try out for a major team, and so on. No more of this bull*POOP* from MLB! Either Manfred and company gets this done soon or there won't be ANY baseball. And my, my, what a mess that'd be for the kiddos moving up in Little League and the high schoolers moving through spring and summer Legion leagues, and NCAA college baseball if MLB were to teeter on the brink of collapsing. But, I guess that's just pipe dream of sorts.
See, that's my issue with MLB. They're always fighting for money. See, at least the NBA, NHL and NFL dole out fair and honest collective bargaining agreements. Are they perfect? Oh, heck no, son. But you don't see NFL owners and managers bickering to Roger Goodell about how much to pay prospective draftees and veteran players. Most have a very good idea on how much to pay and for how long, unless you're the clueless Lost Brokers Raiders and J E T S. NBA owners and managers have some idea on how much to pay their star players. And the same can apply for most NHL teams. With those three, they already figured out their CBA's, or are in the process of restructuring their CBA's. Yet, MLB has one and they can't figure out what in the Sam Hill they're supposed to do. Seems like things go well one day, then they yank that out from underneath at the very last minute just to delay it longer and make fans turn off baseball completely, or watch global baseball, which I'm sure MLB fans would rather not do.
See, that's my issue with MLB. They're always fighting for money. See, at least the NBA, NHL and NFL dole out fair and honest collective bargaining agreements. Are they perfect? Oh, heck no, son. But you don't see NFL owners and managers bickering to Roger Goodell about how much to pay prospective draftees and veteran players. Most have a very good idea on how much to pay and for how long, unless you're the clueless Lost Brokers Raiders and J E T S. NBA owners and managers have some idea on how much to pay their star players. And the same can apply for most NHL teams. With those three, they already figured out their CBA's, or are in the process of restructuring their CBA's. Yet, MLB has one and they can't figure out what in the Sam Hill they're supposed to do. Seems like things go well one day, then they yank that out from underneath at the very last minute just to delay it longer and make fans turn off baseball completely, or watch global baseball, which I'm sure MLB fans would rather not do.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on February 25, 2022, 03:41:00 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on February 25, 2022, 03:41:00 PM
MLB owners are all nostalgic for the "good ol' days" when they only had to pay players an upper-middle class salary and could treat them as property.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 25, 2022, 04:53:55 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 25, 2022, 04:53:55 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 25, 2022, 03:41:00 PM
MLB owners are all nostalgic for the "good ol' days" when they only had to pay players an upper-middle class salary and could treat them as property.
Or not even that. My Grandpa found it way more profitable to be a lumber yard manager than signing a playing contract with the Detroit Tigers. Considering his pension was fantastic it was right decision easily for the era.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KCRoadFan on February 25, 2022, 09:18:22 PM
Post by: KCRoadFan on February 25, 2022, 09:18:22 PM
I heard some progress was made today!
My view is this: whether 162 games are played or not, I will be happy if some baseball is played in 2022.
My view is this: whether 162 games are played or not, I will be happy if some baseball is played in 2022.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on February 25, 2022, 09:26:50 PM
Post by: kevinb1994 on February 25, 2022, 09:26:50 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on February 25, 2022, 09:18:22 PMSame here. I'm looking forward to seeing the Jumbo Shrimp (AAA Marlins affiliate) play the Iowa Cubs late in the MiLB season.
I heard some progress was made today!
My view is this: whether 162 games are played or not, I will be happy if some baseball is played in 2022.
Meanwhile, the Shrimp will open their season against the WooSox. Not sure if I'll be at the ballpark downtown that early in the season yet. We'll see.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Billy F 1988 on February 27, 2022, 11:20:57 PM
Post by: Billy F 1988 on February 27, 2022, 11:20:57 PM
Well, if MLB owners are so ultra nostalgic, it's about time they get a reality call. Straight up. This ain't the 30's, this ain't the 40's, not the 70's, not the 90's, this is two thousand klatzniking twenty two! Man, these teams need fresh faces to run the front offices, they are stale as dried, crusty pretzels. Life isn't always forever, MLB owners! You're not always going to be around forever! There will be younger faces to come in to take the very seat these old hats are in now in the not-too-distant future that can usher in a fresher demographic that will get more kids involved in baseball, grow them through the farm leagues, and groom them to be future MLB players themselves. Shoot, if I had an inkling of knowledge on running MLB, I'd put my foot down and told these hapless boys in the front offices to quit their squabbling and make a decision on whether we play 162, 144, or not instead of continuing these nonstop charades that they've been so vilified for years.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on February 28, 2022, 11:53:35 AM
Post by: Henry on February 28, 2022, 11:53:35 AM
I'm guessing this is it: Since the two sides are still too far apart to salvage the season as originally scheduled, be prepared for a shorter season again. Hopefully this lockout will not go the NHL route of 2004-05, but I am not holding my breath.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on March 01, 2022, 05:37:27 AM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on March 01, 2022, 05:37:27 AM
Baseball is in trouble regardless of how MLB's self-imposed debacle ends.
https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/Baseball-A-Changing-Landscape
https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/Baseball-A-Changing-Landscape
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on March 01, 2022, 07:54:44 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on March 01, 2022, 07:54:44 AM
I wish that Jerry Reinsdorf would sell the White Sox. I've been wishing for that for about 10 years now. Look the guy just turned 86 years old and he never was a very good owner. If we could get rid of some of these owners we might be in better shape.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CtrlAltDel on March 01, 2022, 11:34:29 AM
Post by: CtrlAltDel on March 01, 2022, 11:34:29 AM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on March 01, 2022, 05:37:27 AM
Baseball is in trouble regardless of how MLB's self-imposed debacle ends.
https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/Baseball-A-Changing-Landscape
There's some interesting information in this article, but also quite a bit of old-man ranting as well: There are too many statistics in baseball today; here's some statistics to prove it!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on March 01, 2022, 11:57:18 AM
Post by: Henry on March 01, 2022, 11:57:18 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on March 01, 2022, 07:54:44 AMProbably because he was more focused on running the Bulls and making them the best basketball team in the world, with Jordan, Pippen and Coach Phil Jackson being the main reasons why. See, this is the trouble with owning multiple franchises in different sports: While the Sox were actually pretty good in the 90s, they were somewhat overshadowed by the success of the NBA team that won six championships in eight years. And while neither the United Center nor Guaranteed Rate Field is in a good part of town, I'd feel safer in the former venue than I would the latter.
I wish that Jerry Reinsdorf would sell the White Sox. I've been wishing for that for about 10 years now. Look the guy just turned 86 years old and he never was a very good owner. If we could get rid of some of these owners we might be in better shape.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on March 01, 2022, 05:17:17 PM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on March 01, 2022, 05:17:17 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on March 01, 2022, 11:34:29 AMQuote from: Ted$8roadFan on March 01, 2022, 05:37:27 AM
Baseball is in trouble regardless of how MLB's self-imposed debacle ends.
https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/Baseball-A-Changing-Landscape
There's some interesting information in this article, but also quite a bit of old-man ranting as well: There are too many statistics in baseball today; here's some statistics to prove it!
It's baseball....there's always old-man ranting.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CtrlAltDel on March 01, 2022, 08:35:28 PM
Post by: CtrlAltDel on March 01, 2022, 08:35:28 PM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on March 01, 2022, 05:17:17 PMQuote from: CtrlAltDel on March 01, 2022, 11:34:29 AMQuote from: Ted$8roadFan on March 01, 2022, 05:37:27 AM
Baseball is in trouble regardless of how MLB's self-imposed debacle ends.
https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/Baseball-A-Changing-Landscape
There's some interesting information in this article, but also quite a bit of old-man ranting as well: There are too many statistics in baseball today; here's some statistics to prove it!
It's baseball....there's always old-man ranting.
You got me there! :-D
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: thspfc on March 01, 2022, 08:59:40 PM
Post by: thspfc on March 01, 2022, 08:59:40 PM
If the regular season ends up being 30-40 games per team and the World Series happens in August, I might be interested enough to watch.
But nah, the World Series has to go up against the NFL and college football because traditionalism and pastime.
But nah, the World Series has to go up against the NFL and college football because traditionalism and pastime.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on March 01, 2022, 09:55:43 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on March 01, 2022, 09:55:43 PM
Quote from: Henry on March 01, 2022, 11:57:18 AMHe got lucky with the Bulls really he bought them a year after Jordan was drafted and made a good move bringing Krause in that was really his only good move, I think it was Krause that brought Jackson in. Other than that Jerry just signed the checks pretty much until he destroyed the Bulls dynasty after 1998. I've been around both the United Center and Comiskey Park. I'd rather hang around Comiskey if I had a choice, I haven't been to either in a few years so I'm not sure how the neighborhoods around them have fared but the Bridgeport neighborhood has always been fine to me. The area around the UC always seemed like it was just surrounded by parking lots more than anything, Comiskey is too but not to the degree that the UC is.Quote from: Flint1979 on March 01, 2022, 07:54:44 AMProbably because he was more focused on running the Bulls and making them the best basketball team in the world, with Jordan, Pippen and Coach Phil Jackson being the main reasons why. See, this is the trouble with owning multiple franchises in different sports: While the Sox were actually pretty good in the 90s, they were somewhat overshadowed by the success of the NBA team that won six championships in eight years. And while neither the United Center nor Guaranteed Rate Field is in a good part of town, I'd feel safer in the former venue than I would the latter.
I wish that Jerry Reinsdorf would sell the White Sox. I've been wishing for that for about 10 years now. Look the guy just turned 86 years old and he never was a very good owner. If we could get rid of some of these owners we might be in better shape.
I've felt more unsafe around Wrigley than I have Comiskey too I don't know why but I just did and it probably has to do with Wrigley being in a more densely populated part of town.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on March 02, 2022, 07:22:09 AM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on March 02, 2022, 07:22:09 AM
There's a interesting rant in French about the MLB decision https://www.rds.ca/baseball/mlb/erreur-monumentale-1.15502178 and here the Google translation.
https://www-rds-ca.translate.goog/baseball/mlb/erreur-monumentale-1.15502178?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=fr&_x_tr_pto=wapp
I wonder if they'll hire some scabs as players?
https://www-rds-ca.translate.goog/baseball/mlb/erreur-monumentale-1.15502178?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=fr&_x_tr_pto=wapp
I wonder if they'll hire some scabs as players?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SectorZ on March 02, 2022, 08:32:16 AM
Post by: SectorZ on March 02, 2022, 08:32:16 AM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on March 02, 2022, 07:22:09 AM
I wonder if they'll hire some scabs as players?
Would you please not use the word? One, it's incredibly ignorant and condescending and two, these aren't assembly line guys possibly getting replaced (which they aren't anyways), it's guys who's minimum wage is ten years an average salary. That word is usually used by people who condone violence and vandalism on "behalf" of the union, something I've watched with my own eyes where I live.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on March 02, 2022, 11:36:39 AM
Post by: Henry on March 02, 2022, 11:36:39 AM
Here come the bad memories of 1994...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on March 02, 2022, 03:04:47 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on March 02, 2022, 03:04:47 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 02, 2022, 08:32:16 AM
Would you please not use the word? One, it's incredibly ignorant and condescending and two, these aren't assembly line guys possibly getting replaced (which they aren't anyways), it's guys who's minimum wage is ten years an average salary. That word is usually used by people who condone violence and vandalism on "behalf" of the union, something I've watched with my own eyes where I live.
Ok how about "replacement players"? Btw, I wonder if the current crop of players might quit the MLB and create their own league in a pattern more or less similar to the Players league (http://"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Players%27_League") of 1890?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SectorZ on March 02, 2022, 03:50:10 PM
Post by: SectorZ on March 02, 2022, 03:50:10 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on March 02, 2022, 03:04:47 PMQuote from: SectorZ on March 02, 2022, 08:32:16 AM
Would you please not use the word? One, it's incredibly ignorant and condescending and two, these aren't assembly line guys possibly getting replaced (which they aren't anyways), it's guys who's minimum wage is ten years an average salary. That word is usually used by people who condone violence and vandalism on "behalf" of the union, something I've watched with my own eyes where I live.
Ok how about "replacement players"? Btw, I wonder if the current crop of players might quit the MLB and create their own league in a pattern more or less similar to the Players league (http://"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Players%27_League") of 1890?
Better, and yeah I'd actually love to see the players nuke MLB and start something on their own. Most of the owners in MLB suck anyways. I don't think the players would because short and long-term I bet they'd be crushed financially, even if the entire 2022 season was killed off due to a lockout. That's a lot of money getting off the ground with stadiums, etc.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on March 04, 2022, 01:41:41 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on March 04, 2022, 01:41:41 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on March 02, 2022, 03:04:47 PM
"replacement players"
Is Keanu too old for "The Replacements 2: Steeeriiiike!" ?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on March 10, 2022, 01:23:52 PM
Post by: Henry on March 10, 2022, 01:23:52 PM
Second week of games, gone. It looks like the lockout will drag on, and we'll end up getting something much worse than the strike of 1994-95. Even though COVID did its best to wipe out 2020, it was nowhere near the scope of what we might get this year. Again, don't be surprised if no season occurs in 2022, in which case no World Series would be played for only the third time since its creation.
In hindsight, I always thought that the NFL was in the most danger of having its season cancelled because it has the shortest schedule of all the major sports leagues, but somehow in its two strikes (1982 and 1987) it still held a playoffs and a Super Bowl. But the NHL lockout of 2004-05 proved me wrong, and having been through that debacle, I'm beginning to get worried that the entire MLB season will be lost, with much worse consequences.
In hindsight, I always thought that the NFL was in the most danger of having its season cancelled because it has the shortest schedule of all the major sports leagues, but somehow in its two strikes (1982 and 1987) it still held a playoffs and a Super Bowl. But the NHL lockout of 2004-05 proved me wrong, and having been through that debacle, I'm beginning to get worried that the entire MLB season will be lost, with much worse consequences.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on March 10, 2022, 03:41:12 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on March 10, 2022, 03:41:12 PM
MLB and the players' association have an agreement. Once it is formally ratified, trades and free agent signings can immediately resume. Spring Training begins within 24 hours. Opening Day now April 7. Games originally scheduled for March 31-April 6 will be made up by extending the end of the regular season by 3 days and by scheduling doubleheaders.
COVID-era 7-inning doubleheaders and placing a runner on 2nd in extra innings are gone.
Designated hitter in the NL and a playoff expansion to 12 teams begin this season. Restrictions on defensive shifts, a pitch clock, and larger bases begin in 2023.
COVID-era 7-inning doubleheaders and placing a runner on 2nd in extra innings are gone.
Designated hitter in the NL and a playoff expansion to 12 teams begin this season. Restrictions on defensive shifts, a pitch clock, and larger bases begin in 2023.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on March 10, 2022, 04:00:21 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on March 10, 2022, 04:00:21 PM
Wow, that broke when I was in the middle of typing a rant about how disastrous it will be if this thing drags on for much longer. :sombrero:
I know this was in the pipeline even before the lock-out, but I'm still disappointed to see the DH come to the NL. "Real" baseball is dead. Too bad, but compared to how they will eventually probably change the game, I guess I'll just have to deal.
The larger bases thing is odd to me. What's the point of that? And how much larger?
Whatever though, just glad these idiots got their shit together.
I know this was in the pipeline even before the lock-out, but I'm still disappointed to see the DH come to the NL. "Real" baseball is dead. Too bad, but compared to how they will eventually probably change the game, I guess I'll just have to deal.
The larger bases thing is odd to me. What's the point of that? And how much larger?
Whatever though, just glad these idiots got their shit together.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on March 10, 2022, 04:04:48 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on March 10, 2022, 04:04:48 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on March 10, 2022, 04:00:21 PM
Wow, that broke when I was in the middle of typing a rant about how disastrous it will be if this thing drags on for much longer. :sombrero
I know this was in the pipeline even before the lock-out, but I'm still disappointed to see the DH come to the NL. "Real" baseball is dead. Too bad, but compared to how they will eventually probably change the game, I guess I'll just have to deal.
The larger bases thing is odd to me. What's the point of that? And how much larger?
Whatever though, just glad these idiots got their shit together.
Larger bases are supposed to reduce player collisions, especially at 1B.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tchafe1978 on March 10, 2022, 11:25:17 PM
Post by: tchafe1978 on March 10, 2022, 11:25:17 PM
I'm glad they finally got a deal done, though I don't know how excited I am yet for the season to start. It shouldn't come down to the threat of having games cancelled for the two sides to reach and agreement. But I'm sure once the season starts I'll start watching.
I'm glad to see the beer league rules of 7 inning doubleheaders and starting a runner on 2nd in extra innings are gone. I just wish the NL would've stayed DH-free. Gone is the stragety of pinch hitting for the pitcher. But the players saw the opprtunity for an extra spot on each roster and took it.
I'm glad to see the beer league rules of 7 inning doubleheaders and starting a runner on 2nd in extra innings are gone. I just wish the NL would've stayed DH-free. Gone is the stragety of pinch hitting for the pitcher. But the players saw the opprtunity for an extra spot on each roster and took it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Billy F 1988 on March 11, 2022, 12:28:59 AM
Post by: Billy F 1988 on March 11, 2022, 12:28:59 AM
Rant mode engage: Rob Manfred, I say you definitely and definitively have been the ire of the baseball world thus far in your tenure as MLB commissioner. And to the supposed scatbags of the union who took part of this lovely lockout debacle, you got lucky this time not having anymore games cancelled out, or worse yet, no season at all and no World Series to boot. I'm a bit torn on the DH heading to the National League, but, eh, what can 'ya do? And good the mother crike riddance to the 7-inning double headers! YUCK! You sure made some TV ratings STINK! As if another short season will make it any better is anyone's guess. Real baseball being "dead"? More like transformed into a god awful monstrosity I'm not so sure how fans will acclimate to. As stated before, the "good ole days" have been LONG! SINCE! PAST! This...is TWO THOUSAND the flyin' blue robin TWENTY TWO! Stop bringing up the past that none of you old hats could ever change! What Major League Baseball needs is a SINGLE chief arbiter, one that has a sharp eye of the game, knows all the ins and outs of the game, and can put together fair and balanced agreements together which I thought the union already has, but, I guess not! The game does not multiple arbiters bickering and bitching to the owners and presidents of the major teams and their shareholders! Get it figured out! We as observers of baseball hate to see the sleazy minions shut the sport down completely. If that were to be the case, we'd be forced to raise funds for a new major baseball governing body that doesn't gig players up the backside and leave them out in the cold. No more of this bull*POOP* from MLB! Yeah, you got your deal signed. Big whoop! Damn it! PUT ME IN, COACH! I'M READY TO PLAY TODAY!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on March 11, 2022, 08:29:05 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on March 11, 2022, 08:29:05 AM
https://twitter.com/jareddiamond/status/1502062106862137351
Why bother having divisions and leagues at all if you're going to do this? Just have a single table and a 174-game schedule in which every team plays every other team three times at home and three times on the road (29 x 6 = 174).
Why bother having divisions and leagues at all if you're going to do this? Just have a single table and a 174-game schedule in which every team plays every other team three times at home and three times on the road (29 x 6 = 174).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Buck87 on March 11, 2022, 10:35:53 AM
Post by: Buck87 on March 11, 2022, 10:35:53 AM
A possible format for playing everyone at least once within a 162 game schedule:
56 divisional games (4 x 14)
60 non division league games (10 x 6)
42 non rival interleague games (14 x 3)
4 rival interleague games (2 home, 2 away)
56 divisional games (4 x 14)
60 non division league games (10 x 6)
42 non rival interleague games (14 x 3)
4 rival interleague games (2 home, 2 away)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on March 11, 2022, 10:56:04 AM
Post by: Henry on March 11, 2022, 10:56:04 AM
I really spoke too soon, because I'm glad that baseball is coming back!
A lot of us will hate the DH in the NL, mainly because it was an AL-only feature, but at least the pitchers will be happy that they don't have to bat anymore. I am a skeptic myself, but in time I could learn to live with it. I had the same feeling about a second wild-card team in the postseason, but after seeing the 2012 debacle that befell the Red Sox and Braves (IIRC), I decided that it was a very good compromise.
A lot of us will hate the DH in the NL, mainly because it was an AL-only feature, but at least the pitchers will be happy that they don't have to bat anymore. I am a skeptic myself, but in time I could learn to live with it. I had the same feeling about a second wild-card team in the postseason, but after seeing the 2012 debacle that befell the Red Sox and Braves (IIRC), I decided that it was a very good compromise.
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 11, 2022, 08:29:05 AMNo, that's entirely too long, because the World Series will be pushed way into December. A simple solution would be to eliminate the four-game series altogether, but they can make two-game series if they want to. It would be fun to watch every team play the other 29 in the same season, and in this respect, MLB will resemble the NBA, NHL and pre-1970 NFL. Speaking of which, the only thing that's more ludicrous than your 174-game proposal is going into Roger Goodell's office and suggesting a 31-game schedule (which he'd shoot down immediately); this is why the NFL rotates its interconference games every four years.
https://twitter.com/jareddiamond/status/1502062106862137351
Why bother having divisions and leagues at all if you're going to do this? Just have a single table and a 174-game schedule in which every team plays every other team three times at home and three times on the road (29 x 6 = 174).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on March 11, 2022, 11:28:41 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on March 11, 2022, 11:28:41 AM
Quote from: Henry on March 11, 2022, 10:56:04 AM
I really spoke too soon, because I'm glad that baseball is coming back!
A lot of us will hate the DH in the NL, mainly because it was an AL-only feature, but at least the pitchers will be happy that they don't have to bat anymore. I am a skeptic myself, but in time I could learn to live with it. I had the same feeling about a second wild-card team in the postseason, but after seeing the 2012 debacle that befell the Red Sox and Braves (IIRC), I decided that it was a very good compromise.Quote from: 1995hoo on March 11, 2022, 08:29:05 AMNo, that's entirely too long, because the World Series will be pushed way into December. A simple solution would be to eliminate the four-game series altogether, but they can make two-game series if they want to. It would be fun to watch every team play the other 29 in the same season, and in this respect, MLB will resemble the NBA, NHL and pre-1970 NFL. Speaking of which, the only thing that's more ludicrous than your 174-game proposal is going into Roger Goodell's office and suggesting a 31-game schedule (which he'd shoot down immediately); this is why the NFL rotates its interconference games every four years.
https://twitter.com/jareddiamond/status/1502062106862137351
Why bother having divisions and leagues at all if you're going to do this? Just have a single table and a 174-game schedule in which every team plays every other team three times at home and three times on the road (29 x 6 = 174).
It doesn't have to push the World Series into December. You just schedule more doubleheaders, which baseball did for many years with no difficulty whatsoever. Since it would be only a 12-game increase in the total number of games, it might be feasible to focus the doubleheaders on the weekends when people are actually able to watch them.
I did consider whether the season should instead be shorter. Playing every team five times would mean a 145-game season (29 x 5), but that means you play each opponent an uneven number of times at each venue and that's undesirable.
Of course I recognize there is zero chance of this happening. But you know, your comment about "MLB will resemble the [other three major leagues]" points out exactly what turns a lot of people off to what they're doing with the schedule. A lot of longtime baseball fans relish the fact that it's NOT the same as the other leagues and that it's never had to be the same. (Edited to add: I suppose the one benefit will be if TV is forced to recognize that baseball includes matchups other than Yankees versus Boston.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on March 11, 2022, 11:53:54 AM
Post by: gr8daynegb on March 11, 2022, 11:53:54 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 11, 2022, 11:28:41 AMQuote from: Henry on March 11, 2022, 10:56:04 AM
I really spoke too soon, because I'm glad that baseball is coming back!
A lot of us will hate the DH in the NL, mainly because it was an AL-only feature, but at least the pitchers will be happy that they don't have to bat anymore. I am a skeptic myself, but in time I could learn to live with it. I had the same feeling about a second wild-card team in the postseason, but after seeing the 2012 debacle that befell the Red Sox and Braves (IIRC), I decided that it was a very good compromise.Quote from: 1995hoo on March 11, 2022, 08:29:05 AMNo, that's entirely too long, because the World Series will be pushed way into December. A simple solution would be to eliminate the four-game series altogether, but they can make two-game series if they want to. It would be fun to watch every team play the other 29 in the same season, and in this respect, MLB will resemble the NBA, NHL and pre-1970 NFL. Speaking of which, the only thing that's more ludicrous than your 174-game proposal is going into Roger Goodell's office and suggesting a 31-game schedule (which he'd shoot down immediately); this is why the NFL rotates its interconference games every four years.
https://twitter.com/jareddiamond/status/1502062106862137351
Why bother having divisions and leagues at all if you're going to do this? Just have a single table and a 174-game schedule in which every team plays every other team three times at home and three times on the road (29 x 6 = 174).
It doesn't have to push the World Series into December. You just schedule more doubleheaders, which baseball did for many years with no difficulty whatsoever. Since it would be only a 12-game increase in the total number of games, it might be feasible to focus the doubleheaders on the weekends when people are actually able to watch them.
I did consider whether the season should instead be shorter. Playing every team five times would mean a 145-game season (29 x 5), but that means you play each opponent an uneven number of times at each venue and that's undesirable.
Of course I recognize there is zero chance of this happening. But you know, your comment about "MLB will resemble the [other three major leagues]" points out exactly what turns a lot of people off to what they're doing with the schedule. A lot of longtime baseball fans relish the fact that it's NOT the same as the other leagues and that it's never had to be the same. (Edited to add: I suppose the one benefit will be if TV is forced to recognize that baseball includes matchups other than Yankees versus Boston.)
Wonder who will end up being the first Pitcher to have to bat under this new scenario outside of Shohei Ohtani. Thinking back on the days of when a guy who was marked down as a DH, but then took the field giving up the DH logic here. I remember Manny Ramirez doing that causing his pitcher to bat.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on March 11, 2022, 12:05:42 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on March 11, 2022, 12:05:42 PM
^^^^
I was at a game in Baltimore in 1993 when that happened. Baltimore's backup catcher was the DH but the starting catcher had to leave the game after getting hit in the side of the head by a bat or something similar. Most of the people attending were absolutely baffled when relief pitcher Gregg Olson came up to bat late in the game (and simply looked at three straight pitches) because you didn't see that happen very often.
I somewhat wonder whether at some point MLB might adopt the NCAA's version of the DH rule now that they've forced peewee rules on the National League. The NCAA rule would suit a guy like Ohtani pretty well. A player can be in the lineup in two positions, pitcher and DH, and if he is removed as the pitcher he can stay in the game as the DH (but he then cannot return to the mound, and if he takes another fielding position when leaving the mound, the DH role terminates like it does in MLB). I believe MLB used that rule in last year's All-Star Game. Some people complained, but since the game didn't count for anything, it didn't really matter.
I was at a game in Baltimore in 1993 when that happened. Baltimore's backup catcher was the DH but the starting catcher had to leave the game after getting hit in the side of the head by a bat or something similar. Most of the people attending were absolutely baffled when relief pitcher Gregg Olson came up to bat late in the game (and simply looked at three straight pitches) because you didn't see that happen very often.
I somewhat wonder whether at some point MLB might adopt the NCAA's version of the DH rule now that they've forced peewee rules on the National League. The NCAA rule would suit a guy like Ohtani pretty well. A player can be in the lineup in two positions, pitcher and DH, and if he is removed as the pitcher he can stay in the game as the DH (but he then cannot return to the mound, and if he takes another fielding position when leaving the mound, the DH role terminates like it does in MLB). I believe MLB used that rule in last year's All-Star Game. Some people complained, but since the game didn't count for anything, it didn't really matter.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on March 11, 2022, 05:10:48 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on March 11, 2022, 05:10:48 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on March 11, 2022, 10:35:53 AM
A possible format for playing everyone at least once within a 162 game schedule:
56 divisional games (4 x 14)
60 non division league games (10 x 6)
42 non rival interleague games (14 x 3)
4 rival interleague games (2 home, 2 away)
This is the breakout I've seen:
13 games each x 4 divisional opponents = 52
3 games each x 15 interleague opponents = 45
6 or 7 games each x 10 intraleague opponents = 65
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on March 11, 2022, 05:42:43 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on March 11, 2022, 05:42:43 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 11, 2022, 12:05:42 PM
^^^^
I was at a game in Baltimore in 1993 when that happened. Baltimore's backup catcher was the DH but the starting catcher had to leave the game after getting hit in the side of the head by a bat or something similar. Most of the people attending were absolutely baffled when relief pitcher Gregg Olson came up to bat late in the game (and simply looked at three straight pitches) because you didn't see that happen very often.
I somewhat wonder whether at some point MLB might adopt the NCAA's version of the DH rule now that they've forced peewee rules on the National League. The NCAA rule would suit a guy like Ohtani pretty well. A player can be in the lineup in two positions, pitcher and DH, and if he is removed as the pitcher he can stay in the game as the DH (but he then cannot return to the mound, and if he takes another fielding position when leaving the mound, the DH role terminates like it does in MLB). I believe MLB used that rule in last year's All-Star Game. Some people complained, but since the game didn't count for anything, it didn't really matter.
I know of Roger Clemens batting as a Red Sox player as well if I remember right also. Something about baseball you tend to remember these out of the ordinary things that happen.
Just curious who will be the first FA domino to fall.
I'm a fan of the now former NL style of play where you bat a pitcher, but as Brewers for most of my life were an AL team at least this isn't a new experience for me. The banning of the shifts if what I didn't care for. I know the Brewers have shifted the most(or next to the top of the list) in recent seasons. But I'm of the thought then as a hitter you try and hit the ball where the fielders aren't playing. If everyone is shifting to believe the ball will be hit between 1st and 2nd base that leaves a gaping hole that you have more or less one person playing between 2nd and 3rd base(as shortshop will be behind 2nd base shading slightly in either direction). If players would either choke up, bunt, or use an inside out swing there are many hits to be had. It ages me but watched Yount, Molitor, Gwynn and Boggs to name a few that became HOF players because they did that.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Buck87 on March 12, 2022, 07:05:25 AM
Post by: Buck87 on March 12, 2022, 07:05:25 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 11, 2022, 05:10:48 PMQuote from: Buck87 on March 11, 2022, 10:35:53 AM
A possible format for playing everyone at least once within a 162 game schedule:
56 divisional games (4 x 14)
60 non division league games (10 x 6)
42 non rival interleague games (14 x 3)
4 rival interleague games (2 home, 2 away)
This is the breakout I've seen:
13 games each x 4 divisional opponents = 52
3 games each x 15 interleague opponents = 45
6 or 7 games each x 10 intraleague opponents = 65
I could see this happening because it gives them more 4 game series.
Though I definitely prefer the version I posted. It's more balanced (161 of 162 would be the same as everyone else in your division), and it preserves the yearly home and home against your regional interleague rival.
I've liked the times where they did regional interleague rival 4 game series over consecutive days with 2 games at one stadium and 2 games at the other. If it were up to me I'd make it a tradition where all 15 of these series happen on the same holiday weekend as 4 game wraparound series. Memorial Day would be my first choice but Labor Day could work as well. Have one league host all the Friday-Saturday games and other host all the Sunday-Monday games, which would rotate each year.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: snowc on March 13, 2022, 01:10:16 PM
Post by: snowc on March 13, 2022, 01:10:16 PM
Thank you, God! We finally have baseball. After 2 and 1/2 months we finally got something to watch! :clap:
Quick Question: When is spring training? :confused:
Quick Question: When is spring training? :confused:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on March 13, 2022, 01:12:07 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on March 13, 2022, 01:12:07 PM
Quote from: snowc on March 13, 2022, 01:10:16 PM
Thank you, God! We finally have baseball. After 2 and 1/2 months we finally got something to watch! :clap:
Quick Question: When is spring training? :confused:
Players have already reported. First games are Thursday.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KeithE4Phx on March 13, 2022, 03:28:41 PM
Post by: KeithE4Phx on March 13, 2022, 03:28:41 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 13, 2022, 01:12:07 PMQuote from: snowc on March 13, 2022, 01:10:16 PM
Thank you, God! We finally have baseball. After 2 and 1/2 months we finally got something to watch! :clap:
Quick Question: When is spring training? :confused:
Players have already reported. First games are Thursday.
Three games in AZ: Cubs vs White Sox split squad, one game in Mesa, the other in Glendale, plus Diamondbacks vs Rockies in Scottsdale
One in Florida: Twins vs Red Sox in Ft. Myers.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: snowc on March 13, 2022, 03:55:37 PM
Post by: snowc on March 13, 2022, 03:55:37 PM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on March 13, 2022, 03:28:41 PMGood games, who do you thinks gonna win those? :hmmm:Quote from: cabiness42 on March 13, 2022, 01:12:07 PMQuote from: snowc on March 13, 2022, 01:10:16 PM
Thank you, God! We finally have baseball. After 2 and 1/2 months we finally got something to watch! :clap:
Quick Question: When is spring training? :confused:
Players have already reported. First games are Thursday.
Three games in AZ: Cubs vs White Sox split squad, one game in Mesa, the other in Glendale, plus Diamondbacks vs Rockies in Scottsdale
One in Florida: Twins vs Red Sox in Ft. Myers.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ran4sh on March 13, 2022, 05:00:17 PM
Post by: ran4sh on March 13, 2022, 05:00:17 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 11, 2022, 08:29:05 AM
https://twitter.com/jareddiamond/status/1502062106862137351
Why bother having divisions and leagues at all if you're going to do this? Just have a single table and a 174-game schedule in which every team plays every other team three times at home and three times on the road (29 x 6 = 174).
I agree. I would have at least preferred that they do a realignment before changing the schedule format. Bc once the schedule is changed to the new format, there will be opposition to make another major change soon after that.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Buck87 on March 13, 2022, 07:58:47 PM
Post by: Buck87 on March 13, 2022, 07:58:47 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on March 13, 2022, 05:00:17 PM
I would have at least preferred that they do a realignment before changing the schedule format. Bc once the schedule is changed to the new format, there will be opposition to make another major change soon after that.
I saw one talking head say that this schedule change could be a step in the direction of a major realignment at the next CBA. Said a realignment now would have been too much change too soon to get into the CBA they just agreed to, but that embracing a more balanced schedule for several years could help grease the works/be a transition to an eventual end to the AL/NL setup in favor of an East/West setup when the next CBA comes up.
Also, worth noting that a realignment probably shouldn't happen until after MLB figures out for sure if they are going to expand to 32....and that the expansion question can't be fully addressed until the Oakland and Tampa Bay stadium situations get sorted out so that it's known which markets will/won't have a team before adding more.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on March 14, 2022, 06:43:14 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on March 14, 2022, 06:43:14 PM
Braves appear to be trading for Olsen from the A's....Freeman leaving then?
Donaldson being traded from Twin's to Yankees
Brewers thinking about signing Andrew McCutchen(I'm a Brewers fan, so this makes the list)
To name a few stories. Glad to have Hot Stove back
Donaldson being traded from Twin's to Yankees
Brewers thinking about signing Andrew McCutchen(I'm a Brewers fan, so this makes the list)
To name a few stories. Glad to have Hot Stove back
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Buck87 on March 15, 2022, 05:00:01 PM
Post by: Buck87 on March 15, 2022, 05:00:01 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on March 11, 2022, 10:35:53 AMI didn't see it until now, but mlb.com did post an article confirming the above format beginning in 2023.
A possible format for playing everyone at least once within a 162 game schedule:
56 divisional games (4 x 14)
60 non division league games (10 x 6)
42 non rival interleague games (14 x 3)
4 rival interleague games (2 home, 2 away)
https://www.mlb.com/news/more-interleague-games-on-balanced-schedule
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on March 17, 2022, 10:15:12 AM
Post by: Henry on March 17, 2022, 10:15:12 AM
Kris Bryant is now in Colorado, Kyle Schwarber went to Philly, Javier Baez is on the Tigers, and Anthony Rizzo is staying with the Yankees...
As for the Cubs, they're looking to land the next Shohei Ohtani with this newest Japanese import:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33517260/chicago-cubs-seiya-suzuki-agree-five-year-70m-deal-source-confirms
The name Suzuki has become a well-known name in MLB, since it was the last name of Ichiro, who may be the second-greatest Mariner ever (behind Ken Griffey Jr., of course).
As for the Cubs, they're looking to land the next Shohei Ohtani with this newest Japanese import:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33517260/chicago-cubs-seiya-suzuki-agree-five-year-70m-deal-source-confirms
The name Suzuki has become a well-known name in MLB, since it was the last name of Ichiro, who may be the second-greatest Mariner ever (behind Ken Griffey Jr., of course).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on March 17, 2022, 07:14:22 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on March 17, 2022, 07:14:22 PM
Quote from: gr8daynegb on March 14, 2022, 06:43:14 PM
Brewers thinking about signing Andrew McCutchen(I'm a Brewers fan, so this makes the list)
Internet tells me the Crew only signed McCutchen because of the new DH rule. He'll fit in nicely with an offense where all the big names are past their prime. :P
(Prove me wrong this season, Yellie! Please?)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on March 23, 2022, 07:43:29 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on March 23, 2022, 07:43:29 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 11, 2022, 12:05:42 PM
^^^^
I was at a game in Baltimore in 1993 when that happened. Baltimore's backup catcher was the DH but the starting catcher had to leave the game after getting hit in the side of the head by a bat or something similar. Most of the people attending were absolutely baffled when relief pitcher Gregg Olson came up to bat late in the game (and simply looked at three straight pitches) because you didn't see that happen very often.
I somewhat wonder whether at some point MLB might adopt the NCAA's version of the DH rule now that they've forced peewee rules on the National League. The NCAA rule would suit a guy like Ohtani pretty well. A player can be in the lineup in two positions, pitcher and DH, and if he is removed as the pitcher he can stay in the game as the DH (but he then cannot return to the mound, and if he takes another fielding position when leaving the mound, the DH role terminates like it does in MLB). I believe MLB used that rule in last year's All-Star Game. Some people complained, but since the game didn't count for anything, it didn't really matter.
Seems they have indeed decided to adopt the NCAA-style DH rule, although most likely it'll only affect Ohtani. They're also reinstating the automatic runner on second in extra innings, due primarily to the truncated spring training. (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33574002/source-mlb-players-association-agree-rule-changes-including-keeping-automatic-runner-second-base-extras)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on March 23, 2022, 09:05:49 AM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on March 23, 2022, 09:05:49 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on March 17, 2022, 07:14:22 PMQuote from: gr8daynegb on March 14, 2022, 06:43:14 PM
Brewers thinking about signing Andrew McCutchen(I'm a Brewers fan, so this makes the list)
Internet tells me the Crew only signed McCutchen because of the new DH rule. He'll fit in nicely with an offense where all the big names are past their prime. :P
(Prove me wrong this season, Yellie! Please?)
Same reason why the Nats signed Nelson Cruz. No way he'll play the field at his age. The DH in the NL now makes you wonder what the careers of Big Papi and Edgar Martinez would have been like if they had the option of signing with NL teams during their careers.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on March 24, 2022, 10:25:46 AM
Post by: Henry on March 24, 2022, 10:25:46 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on March 23, 2022, 09:05:49 AMFrank Thomas in the NL would've been another interesting storyline, but it is what it is. This new setup is reminiscent of the old Bases Loaded games that kids used to play in the late 80s and early 90s (where both the fictitious Eastern and Western Leagues used the DH, and I believe later games based their teams on real-life MLB clubs, albeit without the actual rosters at the time).Quote from: triplemultiplex on March 17, 2022, 07:14:22 PMQuote from: gr8daynegb on March 14, 2022, 06:43:14 PM
Brewers thinking about signing Andrew McCutchen(I'm a Brewers fan, so this makes the list)
Internet tells me the Crew only signed McCutchen because of the new DH rule. He'll fit in nicely with an offense where all the big names are past their prime. :P
(Prove me wrong this season, Yellie! Please?)
Same reason why the Nats signed Nelson Cruz. No way he'll play the field at his age. The DH in the NL now makes you wonder what the careers of Big Papi and Edgar Martinez would have been like if they had the option of signing with NL teams during their careers.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KCRoadFan on March 25, 2022, 10:18:11 AM
Post by: KCRoadFan on March 25, 2022, 10:18:11 AM
I've read that the American and National Leagues were once officially separate entities (with regards to things like umpiring crews, etc.) until about 2000, at which point they were combined into a new Major League Baseball entity. The only way they differed was that the AL had the DH and the NL did not. Because that distinction is now gone, I've seen some chatter online positing that baseball might drop the NL and AL designations entirely and reorganize itself into a structure more like the NBA or NHL, with an Eastern and Western Conference (presumably each consisting of three five-team divisions). Do you think this will actually happen, and would you like to see it happen? Also, how would the teams be arranged?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on March 25, 2022, 01:05:34 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on March 25, 2022, 01:05:34 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on March 25, 2022, 10:18:11 AMThat is true they had AL and NL umpires, an AL president and NL president too. And to answer the question you asked no I would not like to see that happen. Baseball has been tinkered with enough and the AL and NL are historic to the game so I would be against that.
I've read that the American and National Leagues were once officially separate entities (with regards to things like umpiring crews, etc.) until about 2000, at which point they were combined into a new Major League Baseball entity. The only way they differed was that the AL had the DH and the NL did not. Because that distinction is now gone, I've seen some chatter online positing that baseball might drop the NL and AL designations entirely and reorganize itself into a structure more like the NBA or NHL, with an Eastern and Western Conference (presumably each consisting of three five-team divisions). Do you think this will actually happen, and would you like to see it happen? Also, how would the teams be arranged?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on March 25, 2022, 02:27:52 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on March 25, 2022, 02:27:52 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on March 25, 2022, 10:18:11 AM
I've read that the American and National Leagues were once officially separate entities (with regards to things like umpiring crews, etc.) until about 2000, at which point they were combined into a new Major League Baseball entity. The only way they differed was that the AL had the DH and the NL did not. Because that distinction is now gone, I've seen some chatter online positing that baseball might drop the NL and AL designations entirely and reorganize itself into a structure more like the NBA or NHL, with an Eastern and Western Conference (presumably each consisting of three five-team divisions). Do you think this will actually happen, and would you like to see it happen? Also, how would the teams be arranged?
I think there will be realignment, but I don't think there will be new conferences or leagues. I think they'll just go with six 5-team divisions.
Northeast: Jays, Red Sox, Yankees, Mets, Phillies
Southeast: Orioles, Nationals, Braves, Rays, Marlins
Mideast: Pirates, Reds, Indians, Tigers, White Sox
Midwest: Cubs, Brewers, Twins, Cardinals, Royals
Southwest: Astros, Rangers, D-backs, Padres, Rockies
West: Dodgers, Angels, A's, Giants, Mariners
Playoffs are just seeded 1-12 overall instead of 1-6 in each league
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 25, 2022, 04:56:04 PM
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 25, 2022, 04:56:04 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 25, 2022, 02:27:52 PMQuote from: KCRoadFan on March 25, 2022, 10:18:11 AM
I've read that the American and National Leagues were once officially separate entities (with regards to things like umpiring crews, etc.) until about 2000, at which point they were combined into a new Major League Baseball entity. The only way they differed was that the AL had the DH and the NL did not. Because that distinction is now gone, I've seen some chatter online positing that baseball might drop the NL and AL designations entirely and reorganize itself into a structure more like the NBA or NHL, with an Eastern and Western Conference (presumably each consisting of three five-team divisions). Do you think this will actually happen, and would you like to see it happen? Also, how would the teams be arranged?
I think there will be realignment, but I don't think there will be new conferences or leagues. I think they'll just go with six 5-team divisions.
Northeast: Jays, Red Sox, Yankees, Mets, Phillies
Southeast: Orioles, Nationals, Braves, Rays, Marlins
Mideast: Pirates, Reds, Indians, Tigers, White Sox
Midwest: Cubs, Brewers, Twins, Cardinals, Royals
Southwest: Astros, Rangers, D-backs, Padres, Rockies
West: Dodgers, Angels, A's, Giants, Mariners
Playoffs are just seeded 1-12 overall instead of 1-6 in each league
There wouldn't be a single baseball fan happen with such a drastic realignment.
And your paragraph 3 will make the Divisions meaningless.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on March 25, 2022, 04:57:51 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on March 25, 2022, 04:57:51 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 25, 2022, 04:56:04 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on March 25, 2022, 02:27:52 PMQuote from: KCRoadFan on March 25, 2022, 10:18:11 AM
I've read that the American and National Leagues were once officially separate entities (with regards to things like umpiring crews, etc.) until about 2000, at which point they were combined into a new Major League Baseball entity. The only way they differed was that the AL had the DH and the NL did not. Because that distinction is now gone, I've seen some chatter online positing that baseball might drop the NL and AL designations entirely and reorganize itself into a structure more like the NBA or NHL, with an Eastern and Western Conference (presumably each consisting of three five-team divisions). Do you think this will actually happen, and would you like to see it happen? Also, how would the teams be arranged?
I think there will be realignment, but I don't think there will be new conferences or leagues. I think they'll just go with six 5-team divisions.
Northeast: Jays, Red Sox, Yankees, Mets, Phillies
Southeast: Orioles, Nationals, Braves, Rays, Marlins
Mideast: Pirates, Reds, Indians, Tigers, White Sox
Midwest: Cubs, Brewers, Twins, Cardinals, Royals
Southwest: Astros, Rangers, D-backs, Padres, Rockies
West: Dodgers, Angels, A's, Giants, Mariners
Playoffs are just seeded 1-12 overall instead of 1-6 in each league
There wouldn't be a single baseball fan happen with such a drastic realignment.
And your paragraph 3 will make the Divisions meaningless.
Divisions wouldn't be meaningless. Division winners would still get seeded 1-6.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on March 25, 2022, 05:13:58 PM
Post by: Alps on March 25, 2022, 05:13:58 PM
I hope it doesn't come to pass. The Yankees-Mets rivalry will be greatly diminished by them being in t... wait, maybe it won't be. I don't know!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on March 25, 2022, 09:02:26 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on March 25, 2022, 09:02:26 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 25, 2022, 02:27:52 PMQuote from: KCRoadFan on March 25, 2022, 10:18:11 AM
I've read that the American and National Leagues were once officially separate entities (with regards to things like umpiring crews, etc.) until about 2000, at which point they were combined into a new Major League Baseball entity. The only way they differed was that the AL had the DH and the NL did not. Because that distinction is now gone, I've seen some chatter online positing that baseball might drop the NL and AL designations entirely and reorganize itself into a structure more like the NBA or NHL, with an Eastern and Western Conference (presumably each consisting of three five-team divisions). Do you think this will actually happen, and would you like to see it happen? Also, how would the teams be arranged?
I think there will be realignment, but I don't think there will be new conferences or leagues. I think they'll just go with six 5-team divisions.
Northeast: Jays, Red Sox, Yankees, Mets, Phillies
Southeast: Orioles, Nationals, Braves, Rays, Marlins
Mideast: Pirates, Reds, Indians, Tigers, White Sox
Midwest: Cubs, Brewers, Twins, Cardinals, Royals
Southwest: Astros, Rangers, D-backs, Padres, Rockies
West: Dodgers, Angels, A's, Giants, Mariners
Playoffs are just seeded 1-12 overall instead of 1-6 in each league
The Brewers would be put in the Mideast so that the White Sox and Cubs would be in the same division (as would the Cubs and Cardinals).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on March 25, 2022, 09:17:11 PM
Post by: Takumi on March 25, 2022, 09:17:11 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 25, 2022, 04:56:04 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on March 25, 2022, 02:27:52 PMQuote from: KCRoadFan on March 25, 2022, 10:18:11 AM
I've read that the American and National Leagues were once officially separate entities (with regards to things like umpiring crews, etc.) until about 2000, at which point they were combined into a new Major League Baseball entity. The only way they differed was that the AL had the DH and the NL did not. Because that distinction is now gone, I've seen some chatter online positing that baseball might drop the NL and AL designations entirely and reorganize itself into a structure more like the NBA or NHL, with an Eastern and Western Conference (presumably each consisting of three five-team divisions). Do you think this will actually happen, and would you like to see it happen? Also, how would the teams be arranged?
I think there will be realignment, but I don't think there will be new conferences or leagues. I think they'll just go with six 5-team divisions.
Northeast: Jays, Red Sox, Yankees, Mets, Phillies
Southeast: Orioles, Nationals, Braves, Rays, Marlins
Mideast: Pirates, Reds, Indians, Tigers, White Sox
Midwest: Cubs, Brewers, Twins, Cardinals, Royals
Southwest: Astros, Rangers, D-backs, Padres, Rockies
West: Dodgers, Angels, A's, Giants, Mariners
Playoffs are just seeded 1-12 overall instead of 1-6 in each league
There wouldn't be a single baseball fan happen with such a drastic realignment.
You must not know any Orioles fans. I'll gladly take the hypothetical Southeast opponents over the current meat grinder that is the AL East.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on March 27, 2022, 06:08:42 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on March 27, 2022, 06:08:42 PM
Quote from: Alps on March 25, 2022, 05:13:58 PM
I hope it doesn't come to pass. The Yankees-Mets rivalry will be greatly diminished by them being in t... wait, maybe it won't be. I don't know!
Depends of how their menagers will lead the teams. There was once a time when the rivalry in the NHL between the Montreal Canadiens and Toronto Maple Leafs was very big but it has lost its zest when the NHL expanded from the "Original Six" to 12, then 14,16, 21 and now 32 and also how Harold Ballard menaged the Leafs in the late 1970s and 1980s.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on March 28, 2022, 10:17:32 AM
Post by: Henry on March 28, 2022, 10:17:32 AM
Albert Pujols is back in St. Louis!
(While I hate the Cardinals, I'm glad that he's back where he started his career, and it's such a great thing to know that they still love him there, even when he played for other teams. Hopefully, they can send him off with a third and final World Series ring, since my Cubs are nowhere close to competing for one anytime soon.)
(While I hate the Cardinals, I'm glad that he's back where he started his career, and it's such a great thing to know that they still love him there, even when he played for other teams. Hopefully, they can send him off with a third and final World Series ring, since my Cubs are nowhere close to competing for one anytime soon.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on March 28, 2022, 07:26:54 PM
Post by: ilpt4u on March 28, 2022, 07:26:54 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on March 25, 2022, 10:18:11 AMI've always wandered why the NFL never eliminated the old AFL/NFL distinction, now known as AFC/NFC, and went to straight geographic Conferences, as was the case pre-Merger for both the NFL and the AFL
I've read that the American and National Leagues were once officially separate entities (with regards to things like umpiring crews, etc.) until about 2000, at which point they were combined into a new Major League Baseball entity. The only way they differed was that the AL had the DH and the NL did not. Because that distinction is now gone, I've seen some chatter online positing that baseball might drop the NL and AL designations entirely and reorganize itself into a structure more like the NBA or NHL, with an Eastern and Western Conference (presumably each consisting of three five-team divisions). Do you think this will actually happen, and would you like to see it happen? Also, how would the teams be arranged?
The best I heard was always due to "Rivalries" - if that is legitimately why the NFL never did it, I highly doubt MLB will do it. Of course, the NFL still sells the Sunday TV and Playoff TV Rights based on AFC/NFC affiliation, so the TV $$$ is another reason. Then again, the travel needs and budget of MLB clubs is much higher than NFL clubs, so maybe it would be more appropriate for baseball, and MLB has uniform TV contracts for National games, and each club has individual TV deals for Local broadcasts, so reorganization wouldn't affect the TV Rights $$$ nearly as much for MLB
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on March 28, 2022, 07:43:16 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on March 28, 2022, 07:43:16 PM
Albert Pujos back on the Cardinals
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on April 06, 2022, 05:02:31 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on April 06, 2022, 05:02:31 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on March 23, 2022, 09:05:49 AMQuote from: triplemultiplex on March 17, 2022, 07:14:22 PMQuote from: gr8daynegb on March 14, 2022, 06:43:14 PM
Brewers thinking about signing Andrew McCutchen(I'm a Brewers fan, so this makes the list)
Internet tells me the Crew only signed McCutchen because of the new DH rule. He'll fit in nicely with an offense where all the big names are past their prime. :P
(Prove me wrong this season, Yellie! Please?)
Same reason why the Nats signed Nelson Cruz. No way he'll play the field at his age. The DH in the NL now makes you wonder what the careers of Big Papi and Edgar Martinez would have been like if they had the option of signing with NL teams during their careers.
Think McCutchen will play about 20% of his games played as a fielder. Mostly because they'll be games they have to hide Huira's defense but start someone else at 1B and 2B, and Yelich and Cain(Mostly Cain) need time to sit and rest for the long haul. He's still there to mostly DH, but roster as it's built has too many guys that either need rest or are a liability on defense to have Cutch be a DH only.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: webny99 on April 06, 2022, 08:49:40 PM
Post by: webny99 on April 06, 2022, 08:49:40 PM
FiveThirtyEight's MLB predictions are out: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-mlb-predictions/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on April 07, 2022, 10:18:38 AM
Post by: Henry on April 07, 2022, 10:18:38 AM
According to FiveThirtyEight, the Cubs will finish 75-87. But at least this time I won't have to worry about losing anymore, because at least I'll always have those great memories of 2016.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on April 07, 2022, 01:19:30 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on April 07, 2022, 01:19:30 PM
I wonder how accurate FiveThirtyEight's predictions are? With the expanded playoffs, a Cinderella team might come from nowhere just like in hockey.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on April 07, 2022, 02:17:03 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on April 07, 2022, 02:17:03 PM
Happy Opening Day!
Gonna be a fridged one in Chicago. Too bad The Crew isn't starting at home. ;)
Gonna be a fridged one in Chicago. Too bad The Crew isn't starting at home. ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: webny99 on April 07, 2022, 03:08:23 PM
Post by: webny99 on April 07, 2022, 03:08:23 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on April 07, 2022, 01:19:30 PM
I wonder how accurate FiveThirtyEight's predictions are? With the expanded playoffs, a Cinderella team might come from nowhere just like in hockey.
They're a good site as far as predictions go, but predictions are still just, well... predictions. There's bound to be a few misses in both directions.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KeithE4Phx on April 07, 2022, 03:45:36 PM
Post by: KeithE4Phx on April 07, 2022, 03:45:36 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on April 07, 2022, 02:17:03 PM
Happy Opening Day!
Gonna be a fridged one in Chicago. Too bad The Crew isn't starting at home. ;)
What genius at MLB thought it was a good idea to schedule a game in Chicago against a team that plays in a dome? This series should have been played in Milwaukee, with a later series between them played at Wrigley.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on April 07, 2022, 05:22:59 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on April 07, 2022, 05:22:59 PM
I wonder whether tonight's game in DC will be played today. Yesterday they announced it was pushed back three hours due to forecast rain, and the rain has been coming down quite hard at times.
Gonna be very weird not having the pitcher bat, no double switches, etc.
Gonna be very weird not having the pitcher bat, no double switches, etc.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 07, 2022, 07:48:56 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 07, 2022, 07:48:56 PM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on April 07, 2022, 03:45:36 PMQuote from: triplemultiplex on April 07, 2022, 02:17:03 PM
Happy Opening Day!
Gonna be a fridged one in Chicago. Too bad The Crew isn't starting at home. ;)
What genius at MLB thought it was a good idea to schedule a game in Chicago against a team that plays in a dome? This series should have been played in Milwaukee, with a later series between them played at Wrigley.
In cities with two teams, there's almost always one at home, even in early April.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on April 07, 2022, 09:10:03 PM
Post by: ilpt4u on April 07, 2022, 09:10:03 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 07, 2022, 05:22:59 PMThe game in DC is in the 3rd inning so far, at 9:10 PM EDT. They are trying to get it in tonight
I wonder whether tonight's game in DC will be played today. Yesterday they announced it was pushed back three hours due to forecast rain, and the rain has been coming down quite hard at times.
Gonna be very weird not having the pitcher bat, no double switches, etc.
Using the Multicast option in the ESPN App to watch the Reds/Braves and the Mets/Nats games, side by side tonight
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KeithE4Phx on April 07, 2022, 09:16:17 PM
Post by: KeithE4Phx on April 07, 2022, 09:16:17 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 07, 2022, 07:48:56 PMQuote from: KeithE4Phx on April 07, 2022, 03:45:36 PMQuote from: triplemultiplex on April 07, 2022, 02:17:03 PM
Happy Opening Day!
Gonna be a fridged one in Chicago. Too bad The Crew isn't starting at home. ;)
What genius at MLB thought it was a good idea to schedule a game in Chicago against a team that plays in a dome? This series should have been played in Milwaukee, with a later series between them played at Wrigley.
In cities with two teams, there's almost always one at home, even in early April.
Very true, and that's something that has to change in NY and Chicago.
Having lived in the Chicago area for 20 years, I'm well aware of the April snowstorms there. But what I'm saying is that, if one of the teams is opening against a team that plays in a dome, those games should be moved to the dome, and have the series against that team in Chicago moved to May or later. If the Cubs, Sox, Yankees, and Mets can't open at home until later in April, or even May 1, so be it. Let them do their West Coast, Texas, Atlanta, and Florida trips early.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on April 07, 2022, 10:18:00 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on April 07, 2022, 10:18:00 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on April 07, 2022, 09:10:03 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on April 07, 2022, 05:22:59 PMThe game in DC is in the 3rd inning so far, at 9:10 PM EDT. They are trying to get it in tonight
I wonder whether tonight's game in DC will be played today. Yesterday they announced it was pushed back three hours due to forecast rain, and the rain has been coming down quite hard at times.
Gonna be very weird not having the pitcher bat, no double switches, etc.
Using the Multicast option in the ESPN App to watch the Reds/Braves and the Mets/Nats games, side by side tonight
Yeah, I've had it on TV since shortly before it started. When I typed my prior comment, it was pouring here and that storm moved over the ballpark not too long after I posted it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on April 08, 2022, 10:42:52 AM
Post by: Henry on April 08, 2022, 10:42:52 AM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on April 07, 2022, 09:16:17 PMI think the same can be said for San Francisco/Oakland, as well as Baltimore/Washington. Sure, in each example they may be two different cities, but they are still very close to each other, and thus part of the same metro area. Therefore, if the Giants, A's, Orioles and Nationals don't open at home due to the cold, then at least have them go out to where it's warmer or even the closed-roof stadiums in Milwaukee, Arizona, Seattle and Toronto. L.A./Anaheim gets a pass because it is a warm-weather location, and the only such one that houses two teams (Dodgers and Angels).Quote from: cabiness42 on April 07, 2022, 07:48:56 PMQuote from: KeithE4Phx on April 07, 2022, 03:45:36 PMQuote from: triplemultiplex on April 07, 2022, 02:17:03 PM
Happy Opening Day!
Gonna be a fridged one in Chicago. Too bad The Crew isn't starting at home. ;)
What genius at MLB thought it was a good idea to schedule a game in Chicago against a team that plays in a dome? This series should have been played in Milwaukee, with a later series between them played at Wrigley.
In cities with two teams, there's almost always one at home, even in early April.
Very true, and that's something that has to change in NY and Chicago.
Having lived in the Chicago area for 20 years, I'm well aware of the April snowstorms there. But what I'm saying is that, if one of the teams is opening against a team that plays in a dome, those games should be moved to the dome, and have the series against that team in Chicago moved to May or later. If the Cubs, Sox, Yankees, and Mets can't open at home until later in April, or even May 1, so be it. Let them do their West Coast, Texas, Atlanta, and Florida trips early.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 08, 2022, 11:56:40 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 08, 2022, 11:56:40 AM
Quote from: Henry on April 08, 2022, 10:42:52 AMQuote from: KeithE4Phx on April 07, 2022, 09:16:17 PMI think the same can be said for San Francisco/Oakland, as well as Baltimore/Washington. Sure, in each example they may be two different cities, but they are still very close to each other, and thus part of the same metro area. Therefore, if the Giants, A's, Orioles and Nationals don't open at home due to the cold, then at least have them go out to where it's warmer or even the closed-roof stadiums in Milwaukee, Arizona, Seattle and Toronto. L.A./Anaheim gets a pass because it is a warm-weather location, and the only such one that houses two teams (Dodgers and Angels).Quote from: cabiness42 on April 07, 2022, 07:48:56 PMQuote from: KeithE4Phx on April 07, 2022, 03:45:36 PMQuote from: triplemultiplex on April 07, 2022, 02:17:03 PM
Happy Opening Day!
Gonna be a fridged one in Chicago. Too bad The Crew isn't starting at home. ;)
What genius at MLB thought it was a good idea to schedule a game in Chicago against a team that plays in a dome? This series should have been played in Milwaukee, with a later series between them played at Wrigley.
In cities with two teams, there's almost always one at home, even in early April.
Very true, and that's something that has to change in NY and Chicago.
Having lived in the Chicago area for 20 years, I'm well aware of the April snowstorms there. But what I'm saying is that, if one of the teams is opening against a team that plays in a dome, those games should be moved to the dome, and have the series against that team in Chicago moved to May or later. If the Cubs, Sox, Yankees, and Mets can't open at home until later in April, or even May 1, so be it. Let them do their West Coast, Texas, Atlanta, and Florida trips early.
Part of the problem is that early-mid April games are more poorly attended than other months, so the warm weather/indoor teams don't want to be penalized by having to always host a bunch of games the first couple weeks. Also, the unbalanced schedule and needing at least one interleague series at all times makes scheduling more difficult.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CtrlAltDel on April 08, 2022, 02:14:05 PM
Post by: CtrlAltDel on April 08, 2022, 02:14:05 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 08, 2022, 11:56:40 AMQuote from: Henry on April 08, 2022, 10:42:52 AMQuote from: KeithE4Phx on April 07, 2022, 09:16:17 PMI think the same can be said for San Francisco/Oakland, as well as Baltimore/Washington. Sure, in each example they may be two different cities, but they are still very close to each other, and thus part of the same metro area. Therefore, if the Giants, A's, Orioles and Nationals don't open at home due to the cold, then at least have them go out to where it's warmer or even the closed-roof stadiums in Milwaukee, Arizona, Seattle and Toronto. L.A./Anaheim gets a pass because it is a warm-weather location, and the only such one that houses two teams (Dodgers and Angels).Quote from: cabiness42 on April 07, 2022, 07:48:56 PMQuote from: KeithE4Phx on April 07, 2022, 03:45:36 PMQuote from: triplemultiplex on April 07, 2022, 02:17:03 PM
Happy Opening Day!
Gonna be a fridged one in Chicago. Too bad The Crew isn't starting at home. ;)
What genius at MLB thought it was a good idea to schedule a game in Chicago against a team that plays in a dome? This series should have been played in Milwaukee, with a later series between them played at Wrigley.
In cities with two teams, there's almost always one at home, even in early April.
Very true, and that's something that has to change in NY and Chicago.
Having lived in the Chicago area for 20 years, I'm well aware of the April snowstorms there. But what I'm saying is that, if one of the teams is opening against a team that plays in a dome, those games should be moved to the dome, and have the series against that team in Chicago moved to May or later. If the Cubs, Sox, Yankees, and Mets can't open at home until later in April, or even May 1, so be it. Let them do their West Coast, Texas, Atlanta, and Florida trips early.
Part of the problem is that early-mid April games are more poorly attended than other months, so the warm weather/indoor teams don't want to be penalized by having to always host a bunch of games the first couple weeks. Also, the unbalanced schedule and needing at least one interleague series at all times makes scheduling more difficult.
Plus there's something about having the home opener on opening day. Not every team can have it every year, of course, but cold or not, it should happen sometimes.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on April 08, 2022, 04:13:57 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on April 08, 2022, 04:13:57 PM
They got the opener in there on the Northside, but today got snowed out. :P
I've tailgated in the snow for a baseball game. Of course then the game was inside, but still, a fun experience as long as one has their liquid jacket on. ;)
I've tailgated in the snow for a baseball game. Of course then the game was inside, but still, a fun experience as long as one has their liquid jacket on. ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 08, 2022, 04:19:23 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 08, 2022, 04:19:23 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on April 08, 2022, 04:13:57 PM
They got the opener in there on the Northside, but today got snowed out. :P
I've tailgated in the snow for a baseball game. Of course then the game was inside, but still, a fun experience as long as one has their liquid jacket on. ;)
Must have been some localized snow. I got nothing here.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on April 10, 2022, 01:11:55 PM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on April 10, 2022, 01:11:55 PM
Interesting take by Matthew Walther about baseball in today's NYT.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwimoZ-3_on3AhWUjYkEHYxqCGUQFnoECC8QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2022%2F04%2F06%2Fopinion%2Fbaseball-nationalize.html&usg=AOvVaw33X0unG2VNO7V8omH0R4IV
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwimoZ-3_on3AhWUjYkEHYxqCGUQFnoECC8QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2022%2F04%2F06%2Fopinion%2Fbaseball-nationalize.html&usg=AOvVaw33X0unG2VNO7V8omH0R4IV
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kurumi on April 10, 2022, 02:42:01 PM
Post by: kurumi on April 10, 2022, 02:42:01 PM
Quote from: webny99 on April 06, 2022, 08:49:40 PM
FiveThirtyEight's MLB predictions are out: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-mlb-predictions/
Cool! For fun, I looked at the 2021 preseason predictions (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-mlb-predictions/, but have to select "preseason" at the bottom of the page).
I'm pretty optimistic about the Giants.
2021 predicted: 74-88
2021 actual: 107-55
2022 predicted: 84-78
2022 adjusted expected actual: 117-45, with a 1-game runoff against LAD with same record :-)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: bing101 on April 12, 2022, 07:03:54 PM
Post by: bing101 on April 12, 2022, 07:03:54 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/04/11/washington-nationals-lerners-potential-sale/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/04/11/washington-nationals-lerners-potential-sale/)
Note this is a proposed idea floating for now for the Nationals.
Note this is a proposed idea floating for now for the Nationals.
QuoteThe family of real estate magnate Ted Lerner, which 16 years ago purchased the Washington Nationals from Major League Baseball and oversaw a rebuilding process that eventually resulted in a World Series championship, has begun the process of exploring potential changes in the club's ownership structure, including the possibility of selling the team.
Mark Lerner, Ted Lerner's son who now serves as the club's managing principal owner, told The Washington Post in a statement Monday that the family has hired New York investment bank Allen & Company to research potential investors, and possibly buyers, for the Nationals.
"This is an exploratory process, so there is no set timetable or expectation of a specific outcome," Mark Lerner said in the statement. "The organization is as committed as ever to their employees, players, fans, sponsors and partners and to putting a competitive product on the field."
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 13, 2022, 11:25:55 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 13, 2022, 11:25:55 AM
As the season is ramping up, I got to thinking about rare/unusual things I've witnessed at games over the years.
One thing I've always hoped to see is a no-hitter, but I've never seen one, not even close really. I was, however, at a game on one of the only two nights in baseball history (and the only day any of us was alive for) that two no-hitters were thrown on the same day. At my last ever game at old Comiskey Park, the Sox beat the Yankees 1-0 on a homer by NW IN's own Ron Kittle. Near the end of the game, we saw highlights on the video board of Dave Stewart's no-hitter for Oakland at Toronto. On the way home, we heard that Fernando Valenzuela had thrown a no-hitter for the Dodgers.
I've seen two teams combine for 12 home runs in a game (CHW/DET, 2002), which was a record that stood until 2019.
I've seen a pitcher (Wilson Alvarez, CHW) strike out four batters in a single inning.
I've seen two pitchers (Greg Maddux, ATL; Jon Garland, CHW) hit home runs.
I've seen two #9 hitters (Ozzie Guillen, CWS; Scott Brosius, NYY) hit go-ahead/walkoff 3-run home runs in the 9th inning.
I've seen a pitcher who had a streak of 49 straight starts pitcing 6+ innings (Mark Buehrle, CWS) get ejected for hitting a batter with 2 outs in the 6th inning.
One thing I've always hoped to see is a no-hitter, but I've never seen one, not even close really. I was, however, at a game on one of the only two nights in baseball history (and the only day any of us was alive for) that two no-hitters were thrown on the same day. At my last ever game at old Comiskey Park, the Sox beat the Yankees 1-0 on a homer by NW IN's own Ron Kittle. Near the end of the game, we saw highlights on the video board of Dave Stewart's no-hitter for Oakland at Toronto. On the way home, we heard that Fernando Valenzuela had thrown a no-hitter for the Dodgers.
I've seen two teams combine for 12 home runs in a game (CHW/DET, 2002), which was a record that stood until 2019.
I've seen a pitcher (Wilson Alvarez, CHW) strike out four batters in a single inning.
I've seen two pitchers (Greg Maddux, ATL; Jon Garland, CHW) hit home runs.
I've seen two #9 hitters (Ozzie Guillen, CWS; Scott Brosius, NYY) hit go-ahead/walkoff 3-run home runs in the 9th inning.
I've seen a pitcher who had a streak of 49 straight starts pitcing 6+ innings (Mark Buehrle, CWS) get ejected for hitting a batter with 2 outs in the 6th inning.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on April 13, 2022, 11:30:03 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on April 13, 2022, 11:30:03 AM
^^^^
My brother was at the game in 1998 in which Cal Ripken sat out and ended his consecutive games streak.
My brother was at the game in 1998 in which Cal Ripken sat out and ended his consecutive games streak.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CtrlAltDel on April 13, 2022, 02:44:09 PM
Post by: CtrlAltDel on April 13, 2022, 02:44:09 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 13, 2022, 11:25:55 AM
I've seen a pitcher (Wilson Alvarez, CHW) strike out four batters in a single inning.
I know it's just a vocabulary thing, but given that Nevin made it safely to first, he wasn't really struck out.
That said, you have an impressive collection of baseball memories.
Interestingly, the four strikewhatever inning seems to be becoming increasingly common (https://www.baseball-almanac.com/feats/feats19.shtml).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 13, 2022, 03:04:13 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 13, 2022, 03:04:13 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on April 13, 2022, 02:44:09 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on April 13, 2022, 11:25:55 AM
I've seen a pitcher (Wilson Alvarez, CHW) strike out four batters in a single inning.
I know it's just a vocabulary thing, but given that Nevin made it safely to first, he wasn't really struck out.
That said, you have an impressive collection of baseball memories.
Interestingly, the four strikewhatever inning seems to be becoming increasingly common (https://www.baseball-almanac.com/feats/feats19.shtml).
I agree with you, but MLB counts it as a strikeout regardless of the "out" part being absent.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on April 14, 2022, 06:41:22 PM
Post by: CoreySamson on April 14, 2022, 06:41:22 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 13, 2022, 11:25:55 AMI've personally witnessed 3 walk-off home runs by the Astros in a span of about 5 years in less than 10 games. I believe it was Jose Altuve, Yuli Gurriel, and Luis Valbuena (who sadly passed away a couple years ago).
As the season is ramping up, I got to thinking about rare/unusual things I've witnessed at games over the years.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 14, 2022, 10:28:10 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 14, 2022, 10:28:10 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on April 14, 2022, 06:41:22 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on April 13, 2022, 11:25:55 AMI've personally witnessed 3 walk-off home runs by the Astros in a span of about 5 years in less than 10 games. I believe it was Jose Altuve, Yuli Gurriel, and Luis Valbuena (who sadly passed away a couple years ago).
As the season is ramping up, I got to thinking about rare/unusual things I've witnessed at games over the years.
Not terribly unusual when the home team knows what pitch is coming.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on April 15, 2022, 07:13:02 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on April 15, 2022, 07:13:02 AM
Best game I ever saw in person was Roger Clemens first attempt at his 300th win. It was my birthday in 2003 and I drove to Detroit for the day. I ended up getting tickets to the Yankees-Tigers game and this was the season that the Tigers lost 119 games setting an American League record for losses in a season. My dad decided to drive down and join me so we went to the game together. I can remember going down to Detroit early in the day around 9am and getting tickets.
We went and sat in our seats and the place was packed with over 44,000 people there. The Yankees took like a 7-1 lead in the 5th inning and some people were starting to leave and a couple people gave me their ticket stubs so I could get down closer to the field by the 7th inning I was behind the Yankees dugout and started to heckle Jeter and David Wells. My dad said the Tigers are so bad that they won't come back and win this game. Well they had a 5 run inning making the score 7-6. I think the Yankees scored another run in the next half inning and then the Tigers scored two more times to tie the game at 8. The game lasted until the 17th inning with the Yankees scoring a couple of runs and the Tigers scored a run in the bottom of that inning. I know Soriano and Posada both hit home runs in the 17th inning too. The Tigers had that knuckleballer Steve Sparks pitch just about every extra inning there was.
I didn't really have any rooting interest in the game I just wanted to go to a baseball game on my birthday. I'm not a Tigers or Yankees fan.
We went and sat in our seats and the place was packed with over 44,000 people there. The Yankees took like a 7-1 lead in the 5th inning and some people were starting to leave and a couple people gave me their ticket stubs so I could get down closer to the field by the 7th inning I was behind the Yankees dugout and started to heckle Jeter and David Wells. My dad said the Tigers are so bad that they won't come back and win this game. Well they had a 5 run inning making the score 7-6. I think the Yankees scored another run in the next half inning and then the Tigers scored two more times to tie the game at 8. The game lasted until the 17th inning with the Yankees scoring a couple of runs and the Tigers scored a run in the bottom of that inning. I know Soriano and Posada both hit home runs in the 17th inning too. The Tigers had that knuckleballer Steve Sparks pitch just about every extra inning there was.
I didn't really have any rooting interest in the game I just wanted to go to a baseball game on my birthday. I'm not a Tigers or Yankees fan.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on April 15, 2022, 10:37:09 AM
Post by: mgk920 on April 15, 2022, 10:37:09 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 13, 2022, 03:04:13 PMQuote from: CtrlAltDel on April 13, 2022, 02:44:09 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on April 13, 2022, 11:25:55 AM
I've seen a pitcher (Wilson Alvarez, CHW) strike out four batters in a single inning.
I know it's just a vocabulary thing, but given that Nevin made it safely to first, he wasn't really struck out.
That said, you have an impressive collection of baseball memories.
Interestingly, the four strikewhatever inning seems to be becoming increasingly common (https://www.baseball-almanac.com/feats/feats19.shtml).
I agree with you, but MLB counts it as a strikeout regardless of the "out" part being absent.
You must *complete* the strikeout for the out to be recorded. That includes either the catcher remaining in control of the pitched ball OR the batter being thrown out at first base or tagged out on his way to first base.
Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 15, 2022, 11:20:42 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 15, 2022, 11:20:42 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on April 15, 2022, 10:37:09 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on April 13, 2022, 03:04:13 PMQuote from: CtrlAltDel on April 13, 2022, 02:44:09 PMQuote from: cabiness42 on April 13, 2022, 11:25:55 AM
I've seen a pitcher (Wilson Alvarez, CHW) strike out four batters in a single inning.
I know it's just a vocabulary thing, but given that Nevin made it safely to first, he wasn't really struck out.
That said, you have an impressive collection of baseball memories.
Interestingly, the four strikewhatever inning seems to be becoming increasingly common (https://www.baseball-almanac.com/feats/feats19.shtml).
I agree with you, but MLB counts it as a strikeout regardless of the "out" part being absent.
You must *complete* the strikeout for the out to be recorded. That includes either the catcher remaining in control of the pitched ball OR the batter being thrown out at first base or tagged out on his way to first base.
Mike
I understand that, but for whatever reason, the pitcher is credited with a strikeout even if the runner reaches base, and thus, 4 strikeouts in an inning is possible. In fact any number of strikeouts in an inning is possible, though there's never been more than four.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on April 15, 2022, 04:45:13 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on April 15, 2022, 04:45:13 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 15, 2022, 07:13:02 AM
The game lasted until the 17th inning with the Yankees scoring a couple of runs and the Tigers scored a run in the bottom of that inning. I know Soriano and Posada both hit home runs in the 17th inning too. The Tigers had that knuckleballer Steve Sparks pitch just about every extra inning there was.
I stuck out a 17 inning game once.
Innings 10 and 11, it's like okay, this is gonna end any minute with one swing of the bat, so we gotta stay.
Innings 12-14, you're feeling like this is getting a little pointless and if someone in the group were to suggest we leave, you're on board.
By inning 15, though, you're over the hump. You've stuck it out this long, so now you GOTTA see this thing to the end. And there's a renewed sense of energy. Might have something to do with the second Seventh Inning Stretch. Or the fact that you've been sober for three innings.
When your team scores the winning run finally, it really feels like you accomplished something as a fan. It's like all the endurance and frustration is released in one moment and it's really special. No regrets; glad I stayed.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on April 16, 2022, 08:20:24 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on April 16, 2022, 08:20:24 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on April 15, 2022, 04:45:13 PMI think it ended up being a little over 5 hours long. Another game I went to about four years later after Clemens had rejoined the Yankees again in Detroit there was a long rain delay and they were hell bent on getting the game started. It started a little after 11pm and the game lasted about 4 and a half hours. I stayed for the entire game and remember walking to my car in downtown Detroit at 3:30 in the morning and getting back home in Saginaw a little after 5am. The Tigers won that game though like 9-6 or something like that. Carlos Guillen hit a walkoff 3 run homer at about 3:20am. In fact that game went to extra innings too but only to like the 11th inning.Quote from: Flint1979 on April 15, 2022, 07:13:02 AM
The game lasted until the 17th inning with the Yankees scoring a couple of runs and the Tigers scored a run in the bottom of that inning. I know Soriano and Posada both hit home runs in the 17th inning too. The Tigers had that knuckleballer Steve Sparks pitch just about every extra inning there was.
I stuck out a 17 inning game once.
Innings 10 and 11, it's like okay, this is gonna end any minute with one swing of the bat, so we gotta stay.
Innings 12-14, you're feeling like this is getting a little pointless and if someone in the group were to suggest we leave, you're on board.
By inning 15, though, you're over the hump. You've stuck it out this long, so now you GOTTA see this thing to the end. And there's a renewed sense of energy. Might have something to do with the second Seventh Inning Stretch. Or the fact that you've been sober for three innings.
When your team scores the winning run finally, it really feels like you accomplished something as a fan. It's like all the endurance and frustration is released in one moment and it's really special. No regrets; glad I stayed.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gonealookin on April 20, 2022, 12:41:49 AM
Post by: gonealookin on April 20, 2022, 12:41:49 AM
The announced attendance for tonight's Orioles vs. A's game in Oakland is 3,748.
That's pathetic, but think of these factors:
1. Teams couldn't sell tickets or really even do any promotion until the lockout was resolved.
2. As soon as baseball got back to work, the A's immediately traded most of their recognizable players as ownership ordered payroll cut to the bone.
3. A's ownership has been telling everybody for years how horrible the Oakland Coliseum is and how badly they need a better ballpark. Which raises the question of why anybody would go to the current stadium. (This last one was a San Francisco Giants trademark when they were in Candlestick Park.)
Oakland does have baseball fans but they're being given plenty of reasons not to pay their money to see A's games at this time.
That's pathetic, but think of these factors:
1. Teams couldn't sell tickets or really even do any promotion until the lockout was resolved.
2. As soon as baseball got back to work, the A's immediately traded most of their recognizable players as ownership ordered payroll cut to the bone.
3. A's ownership has been telling everybody for years how horrible the Oakland Coliseum is and how badly they need a better ballpark. Which raises the question of why anybody would go to the current stadium. (This last one was a San Francisco Giants trademark when they were in Candlestick Park.)
Oakland does have baseball fans but they're being given plenty of reasons not to pay their money to see A's games at this time.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on April 20, 2022, 12:50:33 AM
Post by: jeffandnicole on April 20, 2022, 12:50:33 AM
Quote from: gonealookin on April 20, 2022, 12:41:49 AM
The announced attendance for tonight's Orioles vs. A's game in Oakland is 3,748.
That's pathetic, but think of these factors:
1. Teams couldn't sell tickets or really even do any promotion until the lockout was resolved.
2. As soon as baseball got back to work, the A's immediately traded most of their recognizable players as ownership ordered payroll cut to the bone.
3. A's ownership has been telling everybody for years how horrible the Oakland Coliseum is and how badly they need a better ballpark. Which raises the question of why anybody would go to the current stadium. (This last one was a San Francisco Giants trademark when they were in Candlestick Park.)
Oakland does have baseball fans but they're being given plenty of reasons not to pay their money to see A's games at this time.
For many games, season tickets - either partial or full game plans - account for the majority of tickets sold. Between what you mentioned and that companies are still conducting meetings with clients via online chats and other Covid-related restrictions and changes, the opportunity to sell season ticket plans are way down from what they were in 2019 & prior.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 20, 2022, 07:27:27 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 20, 2022, 07:27:27 AM
Quote from: gonealookin on April 20, 2022, 12:41:49 AM
The announced attendance for tonight's Orioles vs. A's game in Oakland is 3,748.
That's pathetic, but think of these factors:
1. Teams couldn't sell tickets or really even do any promotion until the lockout was resolved.
2. As soon as baseball got back to work, the A's immediately traded most of their recognizable players as ownership ordered payroll cut to the bone.
3. A's ownership has been telling everybody for years how horrible the Oakland Coliseum is and how badly they need a better ballpark. Which raises the question of why anybody would go to the current stadium. (This last one was a San Francisco Giants trademark when they were in Candlestick Park.)
Oakland does have baseball fans but they're being given plenty of reasons not to pay their money to see A's games at this time.
Don't worry, they've signed Jake Taylor, Pedro Serrano, Willie Mays Hayes and Rick Vaughn and will be much better in the second half of the season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on April 20, 2022, 09:27:23 AM
Post by: gr8daynegb on April 20, 2022, 09:27:23 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 20, 2022, 07:27:27 AMQuote from: gonealookin on April 20, 2022, 12:41:49 AM
The announced attendance for tonight's Orioles vs. A's game in Oakland is 3,748.
That's pathetic, but think of these factors:
1. Teams couldn't sell tickets or really even do any promotion until the lockout was resolved.
2. As soon as baseball got back to work, the A's immediately traded most of their recognizable players as ownership ordered payroll cut to the bone.
3. A's ownership has been telling everybody for years how horrible the Oakland Coliseum is and how badly they need a better ballpark. Which raises the question of why anybody would go to the current stadium. (This last one was a San Francisco Giants trademark when they were in Candlestick Park.)
Oakland does have baseball fans but they're being given plenty of reasons not to pay their money to see A's games at this time.
Don't worry, they've signed Jake Taylor, Pedro Serrano, Willie Mays Hayes and Rick Vaughn and will be much better in the second half of the season.
I heard for the players they invited to camp most of those players were past their prime, and one guy was dead.
:popcorn:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on April 20, 2022, 12:50:54 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on April 20, 2022, 12:50:54 PM
Quote from: gr8daynegb on April 20, 2022, 09:27:23 AM
I heard for the players they invited to camp most of those players were past their prime, and one guy was dead.
Then cross him off the list!
:-D
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on April 20, 2022, 01:42:24 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on April 20, 2022, 01:42:24 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on April 20, 2022, 12:50:54 PMQuote from: gr8daynegb on April 20, 2022, 09:27:23 AM
I heard for the players they invited to camp most of those players were past their prime, and one guy was dead.
Then cross him off the list!
:-D
Major League 1 and 2 my two most quoted sports movies lol
Plenty of Rocky, Caddyshack, Happy Gilmore, Little Giants, and Sandlot quotes(too many sports movies to name) memorable quotes to choose from
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on April 20, 2022, 10:58:11 PM
Post by: Alps on April 20, 2022, 10:58:11 PM
Quote from: gonealookin on April 20, 2022, 12:41:49 AMExcited for the Nashville A's in 2024!
The announced attendance for tonight's Orioles vs. A's game in Oakland is 3,748.
That's pathetic, but think of these factors:
1. Teams couldn't sell tickets or really even do any promotion until the lockout was resolved.
2. As soon as baseball got back to work, the A's immediately traded most of their recognizable players as ownership ordered payroll cut to the bone.
3. A's ownership has been telling everybody for years how horrible the Oakland Coliseum is and how badly they need a better ballpark. Which raises the question of why anybody would go to the current stadium. (This last one was a San Francisco Giants trademark when they were in Candlestick Park.)
Oakland does have baseball fans but they're being given plenty of reasons not to pay their money to see A's games at this time.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on April 21, 2022, 06:30:52 AM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on April 21, 2022, 06:30:52 AM
Quote from: Alps on April 20, 2022, 10:58:11 PMQuote from: gonealookin on April 20, 2022, 12:41:49 AMExcited for the Nashville A's in 2024!
The announced attendance for tonight's Orioles vs. A's game in Oakland is 3,748.
That's pathetic, but think of these factors:
1. Teams couldn't sell tickets or really even do any promotion until the lockout was resolved.
2. As soon as baseball got back to work, the A's immediately traded most of their recognizable players as ownership ordered payroll cut to the bone.
3. A's ownership has been telling everybody for years how horrible the Oakland Coliseum is and how badly they need a better ballpark. Which raises the question of why anybody would go to the current stadium. (This last one was a San Francisco Giants trademark when they were in Candlestick Park.)
Oakland does have baseball fans but they're being given plenty of reasons not to pay their money to see A's games at this time.
I thought it was going to be the Las Vegas A(ces).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on April 21, 2022, 10:36:39 AM
Post by: Henry on April 21, 2022, 10:36:39 AM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on April 21, 2022, 06:30:52 AMThought so too, until that plan hit a snag, so it's back to the drawing board (e.g., Howard Terminal). I'm rooting for the A's to finally get their ballpark there, especially since time is running out on the Coliseum.Quote from: Alps on April 20, 2022, 10:58:11 PMQuote from: gonealookin on April 20, 2022, 12:41:49 AMExcited for the Nashville A's in 2024!
The announced attendance for tonight's Orioles vs. A's game in Oakland is 3,748.
That's pathetic, but think of these factors:
1. Teams couldn't sell tickets or really even do any promotion until the lockout was resolved.
2. As soon as baseball got back to work, the A's immediately traded most of their recognizable players as ownership ordered payroll cut to the bone.
3. A's ownership has been telling everybody for years how horrible the Oakland Coliseum is and how badly they need a better ballpark. Which raises the question of why anybody would go to the current stadium. (This last one was a San Francisco Giants trademark when they were in Candlestick Park.)
Oakland does have baseball fans but they're being given plenty of reasons not to pay their money to see A's games at this time.
I thought it was going to be the Las Vegas A(ces).
Also, what is up with Tampa Bay anyway? Are they still trying to move to Montreal or another city (Nashville, Charlotte or Portland)?
I've seen several sports video games allow expansion teams to be created, and MLB: The Show needs to be one of them, especially since stadiums can now be created, but only on next-gen consoles (PS5, XBox One Series X/S).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 21, 2022, 10:47:08 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 21, 2022, 10:47:08 AM
Quote from: Henry on April 21, 2022, 10:36:39 AMQuote from: Ted$8roadFan on April 21, 2022, 06:30:52 AMThought so too, until that plan hit a snag, so it's back to the drawing board (e.g., Howard Terminal). I'm rooting for the A's to finally get their ballpark there, especially since time is running out on the Coliseum.Quote from: Alps on April 20, 2022, 10:58:11 PMQuote from: gonealookin on April 20, 2022, 12:41:49 AMExcited for the Nashville A's in 2024!
The announced attendance for tonight's Orioles vs. A's game in Oakland is 3,748.
That's pathetic, but think of these factors:
1. Teams couldn't sell tickets or really even do any promotion until the lockout was resolved.
2. As soon as baseball got back to work, the A's immediately traded most of their recognizable players as ownership ordered payroll cut to the bone.
3. A's ownership has been telling everybody for years how horrible the Oakland Coliseum is and how badly they need a better ballpark. Which raises the question of why anybody would go to the current stadium. (This last one was a San Francisco Giants trademark when they were in Candlestick Park.)
Oakland does have baseball fans but they're being given plenty of reasons not to pay their money to see A's games at this time.
I thought it was going to be the Las Vegas A(ces).
Also, what is up with Tampa Bay anyway? Are they still trying to move to Montreal or another city (Nashville, Charlotte or Portland)?
I've seen several sports video games allow expansion teams to be created, and MLB: The Show needs to be one of them, especially since stadiums can now be created, but only on next-gen consoles (PS5, XBox One Series X/S).
Last I heard, TB wanted to split their season between Montreal and TB, presumably with the warmer months in Montreal, but MLB shot it down.
Baseball in Tampa was never going to work. Yes it's the 18th largest metro area but too many people there are transplants and already had a favorite team. Plus you have beaches nearby and Disney not too far away. Lots for baseball to compete with.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on April 21, 2022, 12:05:19 PM
Post by: mgk920 on April 21, 2022, 12:05:19 PM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on April 21, 2022, 06:30:52 AMQuote from: Alps on April 20, 2022, 10:58:11 PMQuote from: gonealookin on April 20, 2022, 12:41:49 AMExcited for the Nashville A's in 2024!
The announced attendance for tonight's Orioles vs. A's game in Oakland is 3,748.
That's pathetic, but think of these factors:
1. Teams couldn't sell tickets or really even do any promotion until the lockout was resolved.
2. As soon as baseball got back to work, the A's immediately traded most of their recognizable players as ownership ordered payroll cut to the bone.
3. A's ownership has been telling everybody for years how horrible the Oakland Coliseum is and how badly they need a better ballpark. Which raises the question of why anybody would go to the current stadium. (This last one was a San Francisco Giants trademark when they were in Candlestick Park.)
Oakland does have baseball fans but they're being given plenty of reasons not to pay their money to see A's games at this time.
I thought it was going to be the Las Vegas A(ces).
That's like that game back in the 1970s when the Charlie Finley 'A's drew just over 700 paying fans to a home game in Oakland.
Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on April 22, 2022, 07:35:14 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on April 22, 2022, 07:35:14 PM
Seems ever since the Coliseum got Mt. Davis any personality that ballpark had went down the drain(was a decent enough looking ballpark before that.
But you figure:
#1-They are the AL Version of the Expos(draft players to trade away due to owners not wanting to pay much for players)
#2- Especially with Mt. Davis and current age of facility who wants to go there?(if when A's do make playoffs Oakland shows they care enough then to fill the park)
#3- MLB makes it's intentions fairly clear they really aren't trying to keep baseball in Oakland
(I don't live in CA so not sure if covid restrictions play any factor at all, people from that area could answer that)
But with those factors I do see why fans in Oakland are basically giving the finger to the A's/MLB.....if MLB/A's seem don't care about Oakland, why should Oakland really care back? Which is sad considering they have passionate fanbases but all the Oakland teams either leave(Warriors and Raiders), or keep threatening to leave Oakland(A's)
But you figure:
#1-They are the AL Version of the Expos(draft players to trade away due to owners not wanting to pay much for players)
#2- Especially with Mt. Davis and current age of facility who wants to go there?(if when A's do make playoffs Oakland shows they care enough then to fill the park)
#3- MLB makes it's intentions fairly clear they really aren't trying to keep baseball in Oakland
(I don't live in CA so not sure if covid restrictions play any factor at all, people from that area could answer that)
But with those factors I do see why fans in Oakland are basically giving the finger to the A's/MLB.....if MLB/A's seem don't care about Oakland, why should Oakland really care back? Which is sad considering they have passionate fanbases but all the Oakland teams either leave(Warriors and Raiders), or keep threatening to leave Oakland(A's)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on April 23, 2022, 12:29:56 AM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on April 23, 2022, 12:29:56 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 21, 2022, 10:47:08 AM
Baseball in Tampa was never going to work. Yes it's the 18th largest metro area but too many people there are transplants and already had a favorite team. Plus you have beaches nearby and Disney not too far away. Lots for baseball to compete with.
The issue isn't the lack of interest. The issue is the stadium. Aside from being a decrepit mausoleum, it's in a horrible location that makes going to games enough of a nightmare for people that most don't want to deal with it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on May 05, 2022, 12:51:03 AM
Post by: Henry on May 05, 2022, 12:51:03 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 23, 2022, 12:29:56 AMSure, it's a bad place to be, but then again, the Mariners had it even worse when they had to play their first 21 1/2 seasons at the dark and dreary Kingdome. Compared to that dump, T-Mobile Park is a huge step up, and the best thing that could ever happen to the team and their city. (Ditto for the Seahawks and their top-ranked NFL stadium!)Quote from: cabiness42 on April 21, 2022, 10:47:08 AM
Baseball in Tampa was never going to work. Yes it's the 18th largest metro area but too many people there are transplants and already had a favorite team. Plus you have beaches nearby and Disney not too far away. Lots for baseball to compete with.
The issue isn't the lack of interest. The issue is the stadium. Aside from being a decrepit mausoleum, it's in a horrible location that makes going to games enough of a nightmare for people that most don't want to deal with it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on May 06, 2022, 06:45:48 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on May 06, 2022, 06:45:48 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 23, 2022, 12:29:56 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on April 21, 2022, 10:47:08 AM
Baseball in Tampa was never going to work. Yes it's the 18th largest metro area but too many people there are transplants and already had a favorite team. Plus you have beaches nearby and Disney not too far away. Lots for baseball to compete with.
The issue isn't the lack of interest. The issue is the stadium. Aside from being a decrepit mausoleum, it's in a horrible location that makes going to games enough of a nightmare for people that most don't want to deal with it.
Considering when the Rays made the World Series and they still couldn't fill the park does put lack of fan interest into play. The Marlins and A's drew in postseason is spite of their ballparks and other factors. But Tampa just plays to slightly fuller stadiums.
I'm not disagreeing that park is junk and in a bad spot........but if my team makes World Series you'll make exceptions to get there and watch even if you hate the ballpark
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on May 09, 2022, 10:20:56 PM
Post by: Henry on May 09, 2022, 10:20:56 PM
Well, how do you explain the Buccaneers' and Lightning's recent success when they compete with the same things the Rays do (beaches, Disney and possibly transplants who rooted for another team)? Let's face it, Tampa isn't Seattle, so they'll have to work extra hard to spark some interest in the team and get what is badly needed, which is a new park somewhere in Tampa. Or a backup plan if things fall apart, like the A's do (Oakland or Vegas?). Right now, the Rays have neither, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 09, 2022, 10:31:34 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 09, 2022, 10:31:34 PM
Quote from: Henry on May 09, 2022, 10:20:56 PM
Well, how do you explain the Buccaneers' and Lightning's recent success when they compete with the same things the Rays do (beaches, Disney and possibly transplants who rooted for another team)? Let's face it, Tampa isn't Seattle, so they'll have to work extra hard to spark some interest in the team and get what is badly needed, which is a new park somewhere in Tampa. Or a backup plan if things fall apart, like the A's do (Oakland or Vegas?). Right now, the Rays have neither, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
Football is a completely different entity with only 8-9 home games per season. As for the Lightning, I'd guess there's fewer distractions in the winter.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: brad2971 on May 09, 2022, 10:48:01 PM
Post by: brad2971 on May 09, 2022, 10:48:01 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 23, 2022, 12:29:56 AMQuote from: cabiness42 on April 21, 2022, 10:47:08 AM
Baseball in Tampa was never going to work. Yes it's the 18th largest metro area but too many people there are transplants and already had a favorite team. Plus you have beaches nearby and Disney not too far away. Lots for baseball to compete with.
The issue isn't the lack of interest. The issue is the stadium. Aside from being a decrepit mausoleum, it's in a horrible location that makes going to games enough of a nightmare for people that most don't want to deal with it.
Yet I'll bet it's not a horrible location for, say, e-commerce warehouses. Or condo towers or apartment complexes, for that matter. All three are in likely short supply in Pinellas at this moment, I presume.
Forgive my snottiness; I have a real problem with people who think a baseball park is a highest-and-best use for land blaming everything but their own marketing skills for the Rays attendance issues.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on May 11, 2022, 02:40:04 PM
Post by: Henry on May 11, 2022, 02:40:04 PM
I was just thinking about the whole "Joe Buck to ESPN" thing that will begin with the upcoming NFL season, but will he also continue to do the MLB announcing that he had on FOX?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on May 11, 2022, 02:58:14 PM
Post by: Takumi on May 11, 2022, 02:58:14 PM
Quote from: Henry on May 11, 2022, 02:40:04 PM
I was just thinking about the whole "Joe Buck to ESPN" thing that will begin with the upcoming NFL season, but will he also continue to do the MLB announcing that he had on FOX?
No. His replacement is Joe Davis, who I believe comes from the Dodgers.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on May 11, 2022, 04:27:41 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on May 11, 2022, 04:27:41 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 09, 2022, 10:31:34 PMQuote from: Henry on May 09, 2022, 10:20:56 PM
Well, how do you explain the Buccaneers' and Lightning's recent success when they compete with the same things the Rays do (beaches, Disney and possibly transplants who rooted for another team)? Let's face it, Tampa isn't Seattle, so they'll have to work extra hard to spark some interest in the team and get what is badly needed, which is a new park somewhere in Tampa. Or a backup plan if things fall apart, like the A's do (Oakland or Vegas?). Right now, the Rays have neither, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
Football is a completely different entity with only 8-9 home games per season. As for the Lightning, I'd guess there's fewer distractions in the winter.
Hockey attendance is all the snowbirds from actual hockey cities watching "their" team when they swing through Florida.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 11, 2022, 04:33:29 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 11, 2022, 04:33:29 PM
First (I think) COVID cancellation of the season as the Guardians have an outbreak and their game in Chicago will be made up the next time they're in town.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on May 12, 2022, 11:24:04 AM
Post by: Henry on May 12, 2022, 11:24:04 AM
Quote from: Takumi on May 11, 2022, 02:58:14 PMI'm well aware of that. I meant when he officially moves to ESPN, which would mean having to wait until 2023 to announce MLB games for them.Quote from: Henry on May 11, 2022, 02:40:04 PM
I was just thinking about the whole "Joe Buck to ESPN" thing that will begin with the upcoming NFL season, but will he also continue to do the MLB announcing that he had on FOX?
No. His replacement is Joe Davis, who I believe comes from the Dodgers.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on May 15, 2022, 07:06:48 PM
Post by: CoreySamson on May 15, 2022, 07:06:48 PM
Somehow the Reds managed to lose a game today whilst throwing a no-hitter. That is bizarre.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on May 15, 2022, 07:24:53 PM
Post by: Alps on May 15, 2022, 07:24:53 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on May 15, 2022, 07:06:48 PMtheir fault for pulling pitcher after 7. meanwhile Yankees won a game 5-1 on 2 hits. could easily have been up 2-1 on 0 hits all day.
Somehow the Reds managed to lose a game today whilst throwing a no-hitter. That is bizarre.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 15, 2022, 09:26:23 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on May 15, 2022, 09:26:23 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on May 15, 2022, 07:06:48 PMThe Reds pitcher walked the bases loaded and then a fielder's choice scored the Pirates run for a 1-0 score.
Somehow the Reds managed to lose a game today whilst throwing a no-hitter. That is bizarre.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KeithE4Phx on May 15, 2022, 10:32:45 PM
Post by: KeithE4Phx on May 15, 2022, 10:32:45 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on May 15, 2022, 07:06:48 PM
Somehow the Reds managed to lose a game today whilst throwing a no-hitter. That is bizarre.
That was only the 6th time in baseball history it's happened.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 15, 2022, 10:35:29 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 15, 2022, 10:35:29 PM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on May 15, 2022, 10:32:45 PMQuote from: CoreySamson on May 15, 2022, 07:06:48 PM
Somehow the Reds managed to lose a game today whilst throwing a no-hitter. That is bizarre.
That was only the 6th time in baseball history it's happened.
I went to my last game at Old Comiskey Park in 1990. Two days later, the Sox beat the Yankees 4-0, getting no-hit, scoring their runs on three walks and two errors.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on May 15, 2022, 11:14:56 PM
Post by: ilpt4u on May 15, 2022, 11:14:56 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 15, 2022, 10:35:29 PMToday's Reds loss will not *officially* be recorded as a No-Hitter. For MLB Records to consider a game to be a no hitter, officially, 9 innings must be pitchedQuote from: KeithE4Phx on May 15, 2022, 10:32:45 PMQuote from: CoreySamson on May 15, 2022, 07:06:48 PM
Somehow the Reds managed to lose a game today whilst throwing a no-hitter. That is bizarre.
That was only the 6th time in baseball history it's happened.
I went to my last game at Old Comiskey Park in 1990. Two days later, the Sox beat the Yankees 4-0, getting no-hit, scoring their runs on three walks and two errors.
Since the Pirates had a 1-0 lead after the Top of the 9th, the Reds only pitched 8 innings of No Hit ball, so while no-hitting the Pirates, it will not be recorded as an official No Hitter
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 16, 2022, 08:16:00 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on May 16, 2022, 08:16:00 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 15, 2022, 10:35:29 PMI remember that game well. Andy Hawkins was the pitcher for the Yankees. It was a 0-0 game going into the bottom of the 8th inning and I remember one of the Sox hitters reaching on an error, then I believe a walk followed, and another walk followed that loading the bases. Then Robin Ventura hits a flyball to left field and Jim Leyritz bobbles it making an error, the bases clear and Ventura ends up on 2nd. The very next hitter in the Sox lineup I think it was Ivan Calderon hit a flyball to right field and the same thing, an error and Calderon ends up on 2nd base with Ventura scoring the game was 4-0 at that point. One of the strangest games I have ever attended in person.Quote from: KeithE4Phx on May 15, 2022, 10:32:45 PMQuote from: CoreySamson on May 15, 2022, 07:06:48 PM
Somehow the Reds managed to lose a game today whilst throwing a no-hitter. That is bizarre.
That was only the 6th time in baseball history it's happened.
I went to my last game at Old Comiskey Park in 1990. Two days later, the Sox beat the Yankees 4-0, getting no-hit, scoring their runs on three walks and two errors.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on May 16, 2022, 08:45:50 AM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on May 16, 2022, 08:45:50 AM
I remember listening to Matt Young (he who could not throw overhand to first base), then of the Red Sox, pitch a game against the then Cleveland Indians :rolleyes: in which he gave up no hits over 8 innings and lost 2-1 in the front end of a doubleheader. Two walks and an error led to the Indians runs very early on, and the rest of the game was so frustrating listening to the Red Sox unable to do anything to tie the game (but then again, it's something I'd expect to see out of this year's team). I did witness a minor league perfect game, but it wouldn't count in the majors because it was also part of a doubleheader and therefore the game was only 7 innings.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CtrlAltDel on May 16, 2022, 01:39:40 PM
Post by: CtrlAltDel on May 16, 2022, 01:39:40 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on May 15, 2022, 11:14:56 PM
Since the Pirates had a 1-0 lead after the Top of the 9th, the Reds only pitched 8 innings of No Hit ball, so while no-hitting the Pirates, it will not be recorded as an official No Hitter
True, but nonetheless a mistake, in my opinion.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on May 23, 2022, 08:48:32 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on May 23, 2022, 08:48:32 AM
Nice one in today's comics.
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Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on May 24, 2022, 11:01:13 AM
Post by: Henry on May 24, 2022, 11:01:13 AM
Yankees 3B Josh Donaldson has been suspended for Jackie Robinson comment directed at White Sox SS Tim Anderson:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33972113/mlb-suspends-new-york-yankees-josh-donaldson-one-game-comments-chicago-white-sox-tim-anderson
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33972113/mlb-suspends-new-york-yankees-josh-donaldson-one-game-comments-chicago-white-sox-tim-anderson
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on May 24, 2022, 04:52:44 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on May 24, 2022, 04:52:44 PM
Quote from: Henry on May 24, 2022, 11:01:13 AM
Yankees 3B Josh Donaldson has been suspended for Jackie Robinson comment directed at White Sox SS Tim Anderson:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33972113/mlb-suspends-new-york-yankees-josh-donaldson-one-game-comments-chicago-white-sox-tim-anderson
Surprised wasn't wasn't like 3-5 games. Donaldson should have known better that a comment like that was gonna get him in a lot of hot water.
Other news Brewers pitcher Freddy Peralta out it seems at least into July with shoulder injury
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 24, 2022, 07:14:21 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 24, 2022, 07:14:21 PM
Quote from: gr8daynegb on May 24, 2022, 04:52:44 PMQuote from: Henry on May 24, 2022, 11:01:13 AM
Yankees 3B Josh Donaldson has been suspended for Jackie Robinson comment directed at White Sox SS Tim Anderson:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33972113/mlb-suspends-new-york-yankees-josh-donaldson-one-game-comments-chicago-white-sox-tim-anderson
Surprised wasn't wasn't like 3-5 games. Donaldson should have known better that a comment like that was gonna get him in a lot of hot water.
Other news Brewers pitcher Freddy Peralta out it seems at least into July with shoulder injury
Would have been 3-5 games if he wasn't on one of MLB's preferred teams.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on May 24, 2022, 11:59:20 PM
Post by: Alps on May 24, 2022, 11:59:20 PM
Quote from: gr8daynegb on May 24, 2022, 04:52:44 PMBut he was quoting an earlier quote from the player he mentioned it to. So that to me is a mitigating factor.Quote from: Henry on May 24, 2022, 11:01:13 AM
Yankees 3B Josh Donaldson has been suspended for Jackie Robinson comment directed at White Sox SS Tim Anderson:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33972113/mlb-suspends-new-york-yankees-josh-donaldson-one-game-comments-chicago-white-sox-tim-anderson
Surprised wasn't wasn't like 3-5 games. Donaldson should have known better that a comment like that was gonna get him in a lot of hot water.
Other news Brewers pitcher Freddy Peralta out it seems at least into July with shoulder injury
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 25, 2022, 07:21:31 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 25, 2022, 07:21:31 AM
Quote from: Alps on May 24, 2022, 11:59:20 PMQuote from: gr8daynegb on May 24, 2022, 04:52:44 PMBut he was quoting an earlier quote from the player he mentioned it to. So that to me is a mitigating factor.Quote from: Henry on May 24, 2022, 11:01:13 AM
Yankees 3B Josh Donaldson has been suspended for Jackie Robinson comment directed at White Sox SS Tim Anderson:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33972113/mlb-suspends-new-york-yankees-josh-donaldson-one-game-comments-chicago-white-sox-tim-anderson
Surprised wasn't wasn't like 3-5 games. Donaldson should have known better that a comment like that was gonna get him in a lot of hot water.
Other news Brewers pitcher Freddy Peralta out it seems at least into July with shoulder injury
Except that it happened previously in 2019 and Anderson told him then that he didn't appreciate it. So in 2022 Donaldson knew it was offensive, still said it, and then said he thought it was a joke.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on May 25, 2022, 11:36:04 PM
Post by: Alps on May 25, 2022, 11:36:04 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 25, 2022, 07:21:31 AMI'll say for something like this - MLB has decided, we've presented our thoughts, let's all move on this thread.Quote from: Alps on May 24, 2022, 11:59:20 PMQuote from: gr8daynegb on May 24, 2022, 04:52:44 PMBut he was quoting an earlier quote from the player he mentioned it to. So that to me is a mitigating factor.Quote from: Henry on May 24, 2022, 11:01:13 AM
Yankees 3B Josh Donaldson has been suspended for Jackie Robinson comment directed at White Sox SS Tim Anderson:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33972113/mlb-suspends-new-york-yankees-josh-donaldson-one-game-comments-chicago-white-sox-tim-anderson
Surprised wasn't wasn't like 3-5 games. Donaldson should have known better that a comment like that was gonna get him in a lot of hot water.
Other news Brewers pitcher Freddy Peralta out it seems at least into July with shoulder injury
Except that it happened previously in 2019 and Anderson told him then that he didn't appreciate it. So in 2022 Donaldson knew it was offensive, still said it, and then said he thought it was a joke.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KCRoadFan on May 26, 2022, 11:39:56 PM
Post by: KCRoadFan on May 26, 2022, 11:39:56 PM
The Reds scored 20 runs today. Wow.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KeithE4Phx on May 27, 2022, 01:24:25 AM
Post by: KeithE4Phx on May 27, 2022, 01:24:25 AM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on May 26, 2022, 11:39:56 PM
The Reds scored 20 runs today. Wow.
Well, they WERE playing the Cubs. :-D :D :)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 27, 2022, 08:05:19 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 27, 2022, 08:05:19 AM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on May 27, 2022, 01:24:25 AMQuote from: KCRoadFan on May 26, 2022, 11:39:56 PM
The Reds scored 20 runs today. Wow.
Well, they WERE playing the Cubs. :-D :D :)
Chicago baseball lost their games yesterday by a combined score of 36-12.
The White Sox won the season series against the Red Sox 4-2, but were outscored 38-23.
White Sox have yet to win a single game when allowing more than 4 runs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on May 27, 2022, 09:48:53 AM
Post by: ET21 on May 27, 2022, 09:48:53 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 27, 2022, 08:05:19 AMQuote from: KeithE4Phx on May 27, 2022, 01:24:25 AMQuote from: KCRoadFan on May 26, 2022, 11:39:56 PM
The Reds scored 20 runs today. Wow.
Well, they WERE playing the Cubs. :-D :D :)
Chicago baseball lost their games yesterday by a combined score of 36-12.
The White Sox won the season series against the Red Sox 4-2, but were outscored 38-23.
White Sox have yet to win a single game when allowing more than 4 runs.
White Sox need to wake up, but God forbid they don't send a player a day to the IR or the dinosaur in La Russa changes the lineup for the millionth time this season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on May 27, 2022, 05:17:54 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on May 27, 2022, 05:17:54 PM
Quote from: ET21 on May 27, 2022, 09:48:53 AMYeah it pisses me off. I don't understand how guys can get comfortable in their roles when he keeps changing the lineup every damn day. He shouldn't have ever been hired anyway just dinosaur Jerry trying to fix a wrong from 36 years ago. It's long overdue for 86 year old dinosaur Jerry to sell the team. Dude never goes the extra mile to make the team better.Quote from: cabiness42 on May 27, 2022, 08:05:19 AMQuote from: KeithE4Phx on May 27, 2022, 01:24:25 AMQuote from: KCRoadFan on May 26, 2022, 11:39:56 PM
The Reds scored 20 runs today. Wow.
Well, they WERE playing the Cubs. :-D :D :)
Chicago baseball lost their games yesterday by a combined score of 36-12.
The White Sox won the season series against the Red Sox 4-2, but were outscored 38-23.
White Sox have yet to win a single game when allowing more than 4 runs.
White Sox need to wake up, but God forbid they don't send a player a day to the IR or the dinosaur in La Russa changes the lineup for the millionth time this season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on June 10, 2022, 01:12:48 PM
Post by: Henry on June 10, 2022, 01:12:48 PM
The Angels have fired Joe Maddon during a long losing streak. It's hard to believe that he's the same guy who managed the Cubs to their ultimate drought-busting destiny back in 2016 (aka a World Series title).
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 27, 2022, 05:17:54 PMAhem...they won the World Series in 2005.Quote from: ET21 on May 27, 2022, 09:48:53 AMYeah it pisses me off. I don't understand how guys can get comfortable in their roles when he keeps changing the lineup every damn day. He shouldn't have ever been hired anyway just dinosaur Jerry trying to fix a wrong from 36 years ago. It's long overdue for 86 year old dinosaur Jerry to sell the team. Dude never goes the extra mile to make the team better.Quote from: cabiness42 on May 27, 2022, 08:05:19 AMQuote from: KeithE4Phx on May 27, 2022, 01:24:25 AMQuote from: KCRoadFan on May 26, 2022, 11:39:56 PM
The Reds scored 20 runs today. Wow.
Well, they WERE playing the Cubs. :-D :D :)
Chicago baseball lost their games yesterday by a combined score of 36-12.
The White Sox won the season series against the Red Sox 4-2, but were outscored 38-23.
White Sox have yet to win a single game when allowing more than 4 runs.
White Sox need to wake up, but God forbid they don't send a player a day to the IR or the dinosaur in La Russa changes the lineup for the millionth time this season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on June 10, 2022, 01:34:06 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on June 10, 2022, 01:34:06 PM
Quote from: Henry on June 10, 2022, 01:12:48 PM
The Angels have fired Joe Maddon during a long losing streak. It's hard to believe that he's the same guy who managed the Cubs to their ultimate drought-busting destiny back in 2016 (aka a World Series title).Quote from: Flint1979 on May 27, 2022, 05:17:54 PMAhem...they won the World Series in 2005.Quote from: ET21 on May 27, 2022, 09:48:53 AMYeah it pisses me off. I don't understand how guys can get comfortable in their roles when he keeps changing the lineup every damn day. He shouldn't have ever been hired anyway just dinosaur Jerry trying to fix a wrong from 36 years ago. It's long overdue for 86 year old dinosaur Jerry to sell the team. Dude never goes the extra mile to make the team better.Quote from: cabiness42 on May 27, 2022, 08:05:19 AMQuote from: KeithE4Phx on May 27, 2022, 01:24:25 AMQuote from: KCRoadFan on May 26, 2022, 11:39:56 PM
The Reds scored 20 runs today. Wow.
Well, they WERE playing the Cubs. :-D :D :)
Chicago baseball lost their games yesterday by a combined score of 36-12.
The White Sox won the season series against the Red Sox 4-2, but were outscored 38-23.
White Sox have yet to win a single game when allowing more than 4 runs.
White Sox need to wake up, but God forbid they don't send a player a day to the IR or the dinosaur in La Russa changes the lineup for the millionth time this season.
Saying this as a White Sox fan, they won the World Series in 2005 because they found the right spare parts to put with the team they already had. Not in Jerry Reisndorf's entire tenure as owner has the team been a serious player for the elite free agents that the other five teams in the Top 3 markets regularly get. In recent years, they've been willing to get closer to the top of the market for catchers and relief pitchers, but mainly because those are positions that usually can be filled on 3-4 year deals and not the 7+ year deals that elite starting pitchers, outfielders and infielders get.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on June 10, 2022, 03:12:36 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on June 10, 2022, 03:12:36 PM
They just had the right mix of players for one season that every one had career years. The starting pitching and bullpen were in sync, you had Freddy, Garland, Buehrle, Contrerras and El Duque. Then Jenks happened to come upon the scene and pitched well that season as well.
Jerry Reinsdorf has never gone the extra mile to put a contender on the field on a yearly basis. He seems to get in the way of operations IMO because he has the final say on everything, they have to get Jerry's approval before they can do anything. Tony LaRussa is just a yes man for Reinsdorf that's all he is and that's all every manager he's had has been except maybe Ozzie because Ozzie didn't care what people thought he said what was on his mind.
This is the same Jerry that kept Robin Ventura around for 5 frustrating years as manager then Renteria for another 4. At least Ricky had experience something that Robin didn't have coming in. But you have a few good managers available and the best you can do is hire 76, now 77 year old Tony LaRussa just because you want to fix a wrong. Jerry honestly should have sold both the Sox and Bulls awhile ago, he isn't a fan friendly owner, he isn't interested in going the extra mile to put a contending team on the field, he just wants to make his ownership group happy and that is ridiculous. The guy is a billionaire and tries to be as cheap as possible. The Sox are suppose to be contending this year and they currently sit 3 games under .500 and 5 games out of first place. This team needs to start hitting, they have a .294 OBP which is awful. Outside of Kopech, Giolito, Cease, Hendricks, Graveman and Foster the pitching hasn't looked good at all.
Jerry Reinsdorf has never gone the extra mile to put a contender on the field on a yearly basis. He seems to get in the way of operations IMO because he has the final say on everything, they have to get Jerry's approval before they can do anything. Tony LaRussa is just a yes man for Reinsdorf that's all he is and that's all every manager he's had has been except maybe Ozzie because Ozzie didn't care what people thought he said what was on his mind.
This is the same Jerry that kept Robin Ventura around for 5 frustrating years as manager then Renteria for another 4. At least Ricky had experience something that Robin didn't have coming in. But you have a few good managers available and the best you can do is hire 76, now 77 year old Tony LaRussa just because you want to fix a wrong. Jerry honestly should have sold both the Sox and Bulls awhile ago, he isn't a fan friendly owner, he isn't interested in going the extra mile to put a contending team on the field, he just wants to make his ownership group happy and that is ridiculous. The guy is a billionaire and tries to be as cheap as possible. The Sox are suppose to be contending this year and they currently sit 3 games under .500 and 5 games out of first place. This team needs to start hitting, they have a .294 OBP which is awful. Outside of Kopech, Giolito, Cease, Hendricks, Graveman and Foster the pitching hasn't looked good at all.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gonealookin on June 12, 2022, 07:27:05 PM
Post by: gonealookin on June 12, 2022, 07:27:05 PM
With two consecutive bad extra-inning losses at home over the weekend, the fans chanting "Fire Tony!" yesterday and then today's game ending on a dumber than dumb bit of baserunning boneheadedness, I'd guess La Russa's departure is imminent. That team should not be anywhere near this bad.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on June 12, 2022, 07:29:28 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on June 12, 2022, 07:29:28 PM
On a brighter note, Notre Dame upset #1 Tennessee to go to their first College WS in 20 years, and Tennessee's team was so unlikable that most of the country was rooting for ND, which almost never happens in any sport.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on June 12, 2022, 09:02:24 PM
Post by: kevinb1994 on June 12, 2022, 09:02:24 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on June 12, 2022, 07:29:28 PMWow! Go Irish.
On a brighter note, Notre Dame upset #1 Tennessee to go to their first College WS in 20 years, and Tennessee's team was so unlikable that most of the country was rooting for ND, which almost never happens in any sport.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on June 12, 2022, 09:15:24 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on June 12, 2022, 09:15:24 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on June 12, 2022, 09:02:24 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on June 12, 2022, 07:29:28 PMWow! Go Irish.
On a brighter note, Notre Dame upset #1 Tennessee to go to their first College WS in 20 years, and Tennessee's team was so unlikable that most of the country was rooting for ND, which almost never happens in any sport.
So I do follow ND's team but don't watch a lot of college baseball otherwise. During the 3 game series, I noticed that Tennessee's hitters whined an awful lot about strike calls at the edges of the strike zone. One player, on an 0-2 count actually stuck his (padded) forearm into an inside breaking ball to try to get to first, and then complained when the ump (correctly) ruled that the player deliberately moved into the pitch. One player and a coach got tossed when the player cursed out the ump (using the f--- word) over a called strike on a 1-1 count. I later learned through Twitter that there had been several misconduct incidents with Tennessee's team throughout the season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on June 25, 2022, 05:45:50 PM
Post by: CoreySamson on June 25, 2022, 05:45:50 PM
The Astros threw a combined no-hitter against the Yankees today led by Cristian Javier's 13 strikeouts. It's the first no-hitter in the new Yankee Stadium.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kurumi on June 29, 2022, 10:20:17 PM
Post by: kurumi on June 29, 2022, 10:20:17 PM
I'll always be a genial New York sports team hater, but have to note that both the Yankees (56-20) and Mets (47-29) are doing well right now. Their combined win percentage (.677) is better than any other single team.
By percentage, the top 5 teams are:
NYY
NYY+NYM
HOU
NYM
LAD
I wonder what the best combined record for a 2-team baseball city is (end of season, or, let's say, after at least 50 games). These would generally be NY, Chi, SF/Oak and LA.
By percentage, the top 5 teams are:
NYY
NYY+NYM
HOU
NYM
LAD
I wonder what the best combined record for a 2-team baseball city is (end of season, or, let's say, after at least 50 games). These would generally be NY, Chi, SF/Oak and LA.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on June 29, 2022, 10:32:31 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on June 29, 2022, 10:32:31 PM
Quote from: kurumi on June 29, 2022, 10:20:17 PM
I'll always be a genial New York sports team hater, but have to note that both the Yankees (56-20) and Mets (47-29) are doing well right now. Their combined win percentage (.677) is better than any other single team.
By percentage, the top 5 teams are:
NYY
NYY+NYM
HOU
NYM
LAD
I wonder what the best combined record for a 2-team baseball city is (end of season, or, let's say, after at least 50 games). These would generally be NY, Chi, SF/Oak and LA.
Cubs and White Sox combined for .690 in 1906.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kurumi on July 01, 2022, 10:56:19 AM
Post by: kurumi on July 01, 2022, 10:56:19 AM
Another thing: Yankees fans are well-represented in the parts of South Korea I was in (Seoul, Busan, Jeju). I saw dozens of NYY caps on the street.
In Busan was an MLB mall store that was about 70% Yankees, 28% Dodgers, and a couple of SF Giants and Red Sox caps. Those are your four MLB teams.
I saw one guy in Jeju dressed in both a Giants T-shirt and Dodgers cap, and their daughter had a Yankees cap. Covering all the "bases", I guess
Here's the selection at an airport shop:
(https://i.imgur.com/EXwB3L8.jpg)
In Busan was an MLB mall store that was about 70% Yankees, 28% Dodgers, and a couple of SF Giants and Red Sox caps. Those are your four MLB teams.
I saw one guy in Jeju dressed in both a Giants T-shirt and Dodgers cap, and their daughter had a Yankees cap. Covering all the "bases", I guess
Here's the selection at an airport shop:
(https://i.imgur.com/EXwB3L8.jpg)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Bruce on July 16, 2022, 10:57:34 PM
Post by: Bruce on July 16, 2022, 10:57:34 PM
The Mariners are on a 13-win streak, the 2nd best in franchise history.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on July 17, 2022, 03:18:18 AM
Post by: kevinb1994 on July 17, 2022, 03:18:18 AM
Quote from: Bruce on July 16, 2022, 10:57:34 PMI'm not sure many of us would like to see an Amazon World Series...
The Mariners are on a 13-win streak, the 2nd best in franchise history.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: epzik8 on July 17, 2022, 01:59:28 PM
Post by: epzik8 on July 17, 2022, 01:59:28 PM
I think the Orioles will make it to 2nd in the AL East
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on July 17, 2022, 02:08:48 PM
Post by: Alps on July 17, 2022, 02:08:48 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on July 17, 2022, 01:59:28 PMAs of this writing the entire East is over .500 and we're over 90 games into the season. Has this ever happened this late to a single division for all 5 teams?
I think the Orioles will make it to 2nd in the AL East
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on July 17, 2022, 02:27:33 PM
Post by: Takumi on July 17, 2022, 02:27:33 PM
Quote from: Alps on July 17, 2022, 02:08:48 PMThe 2005 NL East had all five teams finish the year at .500 or better. Washington was last, at 81-81. (The flip side of that is that the NL West was horrible. San Diego won the division going 82-80, which was helped by going 5-1 against the Nationals. If the Nationals had one more win against the Padres, the last place team in one division would have had a better record than the winner of another division.)Quote from: epzik8 on July 17, 2022, 01:59:28 PMAs of this writing the entire East is over .500 and we're over 90 games into the season. Has this ever happened this late to a single division for all 5 teams?
I think the Orioles will make it to 2nd in the AL East
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on July 17, 2022, 06:02:23 PM
Post by: amroad17 on July 17, 2022, 06:02:23 PM
Quote from: Takumi on July 17, 2022, 02:27:33 PMIn 1991, all seven teams from the AL West finished at .500 or better with the California Angels as the team at 81-81. The AL East had four of the seven teams finish above .500 (Toronto won the division with a 91-71 record). I guess most all the teams beat up on Cleveland as they finished with a 57-105 record.Quote from: Alps on July 17, 2022, 02:08:48 PMThe 2005 NL East had all five teams finish the year at .500 or better. Washington was last, at 81-81. (The flip side of that is that the NL West was horrible. San Diego won the division going 82-80, which was helped by going 5-1 against the Nationals. If the Nationals had one more win against the Padres, the last place team in one division would have had a better record than the winner of another division.)Quote from: epzik8 on July 17, 2022, 01:59:28 PMAs of this writing the entire East is over .500 and we're over 90 games into the season. Has this ever happened this late to a single division for all 5 teams?
I think the Orioles will make it to 2nd in the AL East
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on July 17, 2022, 08:39:58 PM
Post by: Alps on July 17, 2022, 08:39:58 PM
Those are two examples AT .500. I did say "over" (:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on July 17, 2022, 08:54:55 PM
Post by: kevinb1994 on July 17, 2022, 08:54:55 PM
Atlanta did drop their balls in 1988 when they went UNDER .500. The rest of the NL West was over that!
The same is for the 2008 season. The Orioles went under while the rest of the AL East was over.
The same is for the 2008 season. The Orioles went under while the rest of the AL East was over.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on July 17, 2022, 09:52:46 PM
Post by: Takumi on July 17, 2022, 09:52:46 PM
Quote from: Alps on July 17, 2022, 08:39:58 PMThe aforementioned 2005 Nationals lost their last game. So the latest a division has had all teams over .500 is the second to last day of the season.
Those are two examples AT .500. I did say "over" (:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on July 18, 2022, 01:36:12 AM
Post by: amroad17 on July 18, 2022, 01:36:12 AM
^ This is correct as California won its last three games to finish at .500.
I took some time to look over the last 33 years of MLB Standings in "Baseball Reference" and found that no division had every team over .500 with the closest being the 1991 AL West (7 team division) and the 2005 NL East (5 team division). However, I did find one instance in which every team in one division finished under .500. It was the 1994 AL West. Yes, it was the strike year but at the time of the shutdown, Texas was leading the AL West with a 52-62 record with Oakland 1 game back at 51-63. Seattle was 49-63, 2 back, and California was 47-68, 5.5 back. If the season ever was played in full would Texas have gone 30-18 or would Oakland have gone 31-17 down the stretch to finish with a winning record? I don't believe so. This may have been the only season to date in which a team would have won the division with a losing record had the full season been played.
I took some time to look over the last 33 years of MLB Standings in "Baseball Reference" and found that no division had every team over .500 with the closest being the 1991 AL West (7 team division) and the 2005 NL East (5 team division). However, I did find one instance in which every team in one division finished under .500. It was the 1994 AL West. Yes, it was the strike year but at the time of the shutdown, Texas was leading the AL West with a 52-62 record with Oakland 1 game back at 51-63. Seattle was 49-63, 2 back, and California was 47-68, 5.5 back. If the season ever was played in full would Texas have gone 30-18 or would Oakland have gone 31-17 down the stretch to finish with a winning record? I don't believe so. This may have been the only season to date in which a team would have won the division with a losing record had the full season been played.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 18, 2022, 02:09:10 PM
Post by: Henry on July 18, 2022, 02:09:10 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on July 18, 2022, 01:36:12 AMThe NFL knows how it feels to have a division winner finish below .500; it has happened three times, all of them involving a division from the NFC (West/Seahawks in 2010, South/Panthers in 2014, and East/Washington in 2020), while it has yet to happen in the AFC. That being said, MLB (and the NBA) should be lucky not to have a full season go this way.
I took some time to look over the last 33 years of MLB Standings in "Baseball Reference" and found that no division had every team over .500 with the closest being the 1991 AL West (7 team division) and the 2005 NL East (5 team division). However, I did find one instance in which every team in one division finished under .500. It was the 1994 AL West. Yes, it was the strike year but at the time of the shutdown, Texas was leading the AL West with a 52-62 record with Oakland 1 game back at 51-63. Seattle was 49-63, 2 back, and California was 47-68, 5.5 back. If the season ever was played in full would Texas have gone 30-18 or would Oakland have gone 31-17 down the stretch to finish with a winning record? I don't believe so. This may have been the only season to date in which a team would have won the division with a losing record had the full season been played.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on July 18, 2022, 04:18:16 PM
Post by: CoreySamson on July 18, 2022, 04:18:16 PM
Quote from: Bruce on July 16, 2022, 10:57:34 PMI can see them winning the WS this year. It would be apt, considering the franchise's chaotic story. Just imagine, they make it into the playoffs as a 6 seed, they beat the AL Central winner, they play the Yankees in the ALDS, win in 5 games, beat the Astros in the ALCS, and beat the Dodgers in the WS. Calling it now. Always beware the team that gets hot late.
The Mariners are on a 13-win streak, the 2nd best in franchise history.
And on the under/over .500 divisions conversation...
The 2014/15 Southwest Division in the NBA had every team finish above .500 and all 5 of them made the playoffs. The last place finisher, the New Orleans Pelicans, finished 4 games above .500, which is pretty ludicrous considering the NBA has a 82 game season. No team in the division that year had a divisional record over 9-7 or below 7-9, which shows how evenly matched they were. On the flip side is the 2018/19 Southeast Division, which only had one team, the Orlando Magic, finish above .500, and even they finished a paltry 42-40.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on July 18, 2022, 05:06:55 PM
Post by: Alps on July 18, 2022, 05:06:55 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on July 18, 2022, 04:18:16 PM$500 says you're wrongQuote from: Bruce on July 16, 2022, 10:57:34 PMI can see them winning the WS this year. It would be apt, considering the franchise's chaotic story. Just imagine, they make it into the playoffs as a 6 seed, they beat the AL Central winner, they play the Yankees in the ALDS, win in 5 games, beat the Astros in the ALCS, and beat the Dodgers in the WS. Calling it now. Always beware the team that gets hot late.
The Mariners are on a 13-win streak, the 2nd best in franchise history.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Bruce on July 18, 2022, 05:19:04 PM
Post by: Bruce on July 18, 2022, 05:19:04 PM
Mariners winning the World Series right after this drought would be very Mariners. I don't think it will happen, though.
If the Ms do make it to the postseason, the city is going to go nuts.
If the Ms do make it to the postseason, the city is going to go nuts.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: epzik8 on July 18, 2022, 08:35:17 PM
Post by: epzik8 on July 18, 2022, 08:35:17 PM
Quote from: Bruce on July 18, 2022, 05:19:04 PMThey're the only team who has never been to a World Series, so I would love to see them shed that.
Mariners winning the World Series right after this drought would be very Mariners. I don't think it will happen, though.
If the Ms do make it to the postseason, the city is going to go nuts.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KCRoadFan on July 18, 2022, 09:27:36 PM
Post by: KCRoadFan on July 18, 2022, 09:27:36 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on July 18, 2022, 08:35:17 PMQuote from: Bruce on July 18, 2022, 05:19:04 PMThey're the only team who has never been to a World Series, so I would love to see them shed that.
Mariners winning the World Series right after this drought would be very Mariners. I don't think it will happen, though.
If the Ms do make it to the postseason, the city is going to go nuts.
I would as well, because it looks like my Royals (again) won't be making the playoffs...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 19, 2022, 12:40:17 PM
Post by: Henry on July 19, 2022, 12:40:17 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on July 18, 2022, 09:27:36 PMThirded! I hope the Mariners make at least one World Series trip before I die, so that MLB can stake its claim to being the only sports league with all of its teams having played for a championship.Quote from: epzik8 on July 18, 2022, 08:35:17 PMQuote from: Bruce on July 18, 2022, 05:19:04 PMThey're the only team who has never been to a World Series, so I would love to see them shed that.
Mariners winning the World Series right after this drought would be very Mariners. I don't think it will happen, though.
If the Ms do make it to the postseason, the city is going to go nuts.
I would as well, because it looks like my Royals (again) won't be making the playoffs...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on July 19, 2022, 01:26:02 PM
Post by: kevinb1994 on July 19, 2022, 01:26:02 PM
I hope this thread gets locked before the World Series.
All kidding aside, I'm rooting for the Metsies.
All kidding aside, I'm rooting for the Metsies.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 19, 2022, 07:18:01 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 19, 2022, 07:18:01 PM
The longest World Series drought for two teams that played in the same World Series is Oakland and Cincinnati in 1990.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kevinb1994 on July 19, 2022, 07:41:05 PM
Post by: kevinb1994 on July 19, 2022, 07:41:05 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 19, 2022, 07:18:01 PMOuch (I'm more of a Reds fan, though).
The longest World Series drought for two teams that played in the same World Series is Oakland and Cincinnati in 1990.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on July 20, 2022, 08:42:31 AM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on July 20, 2022, 08:42:31 AM
Quote from: Henry on July 19, 2022, 12:40:17 PMSorry for raining on your parade but the new Seattle NHL team, the Krakens haven't won a championship yet.Quote from: KCRoadFan on July 18, 2022, 09:27:36 PMThirded! I hope the Mariners make at least one World Series trip before I die, so that MLB can stake its claim to being the only sports league with all of its teams having played for a championship.Quote from: epzik8 on July 18, 2022, 08:35:17 PMQuote from: Bruce on July 18, 2022, 05:19:04 PMThey're the only team who has never been to a World Series, so I would love to see them shed that.
Mariners winning the World Series right after this drought would be very Mariners. I don't think it will happen, though.
If the Ms do make it to the postseason, the city is going to go nuts.
I would as well, because it looks like my Royals (again) won't be making the playoffs...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on July 20, 2022, 08:44:53 AM
Post by: hotdogPi on July 20, 2022, 08:44:53 AM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on July 20, 2022, 08:42:31 AMI don't see how that's relevant. The comparison was between the four sports, not city by city.Quote from: Henry on July 19, 2022, 12:40:17 PMSorry for raining on your parade but the new Seattle NHL team, the Krakens haven't won a championship yet.Quote from: KCRoadFan on July 18, 2022, 09:27:36 PMThirded! I hope the Mariners make at least one World Series trip before I die, so that MLB can stake its claim to being the only sports league with all of its teams having played for a championship.Quote from: epzik8 on July 18, 2022, 08:35:17 PMQuote from: Bruce on July 18, 2022, 05:19:04 PMThey're the only team who has never been to a World Series, so I would love to see them shed that.
Mariners winning the World Series right after this drought would be very Mariners. I don't think it will happen, though.
If the Ms do make it to the postseason, the city is going to go nuts.
I would as well, because it looks like my Royals (again) won't be making the playoffs...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on July 20, 2022, 09:58:25 AM
Post by: ET21 on July 20, 2022, 09:58:25 AM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on July 20, 2022, 08:42:31 AMQuote from: Henry on July 19, 2022, 12:40:17 PMSorry for raining on your parade but the new Seattle NHL team, the Krakens haven't won a championship yet.Quote from: KCRoadFan on July 18, 2022, 09:27:36 PMThirded! I hope the Mariners make at least one World Series trip before I die, so that MLB can stake its claim to being the only sports league with all of its teams having played for a championship.Quote from: epzik8 on July 18, 2022, 08:35:17 PMQuote from: Bruce on July 18, 2022, 05:19:04 PMThey're the only team who has never been to a World Series, so I would love to see them shed that.
Mariners winning the World Series right after this drought would be very Mariners. I don't think it will happen, though.
If the Ms do make it to the postseason, the city is going to go nuts.
I would as well, because it looks like my Royals (again) won't be making the playoffs...
Very random and not relevant :-D
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 20, 2022, 10:32:11 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 20, 2022, 10:32:11 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on July 20, 2022, 08:42:31 AMHuh?Quote from: Henry on July 19, 2022, 12:40:17 PMSorry for raining on your parade but the new Seattle NHL team, the Krakens haven't won a championship yet.Quote from: KCRoadFan on July 18, 2022, 09:27:36 PMThirded! I hope the Mariners make at least one World Series trip before I die, so that MLB can stake its claim to being the only sports league with all of its teams having played for a championship.Quote from: epzik8 on July 18, 2022, 08:35:17 PMQuote from: Bruce on July 18, 2022, 05:19:04 PMThey're the only team who has never been to a World Series, so I would love to see them shed that.
Mariners winning the World Series right after this drought would be very Mariners. I don't think it will happen, though.
If the Ms do make it to the postseason, the city is going to go nuts.
I would as well, because it looks like my Royals (again) won't be making the playoffs...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 21, 2022, 01:51:35 PM
Post by: Henry on July 21, 2022, 01:51:35 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 20, 2022, 10:32:11 PMAny discussions about the Kraken should be done in the Hockey thread. And they just completed their first season, so they need some time to build a roster that can contend for a title.Quote from: Stephane Dumas on July 20, 2022, 08:42:31 AMHuh?Quote from: Henry on July 19, 2022, 12:40:17 PMSorry for raining on your parade but the new Seattle NHL team, the Krakens haven't won a championship yet.Quote from: KCRoadFan on July 18, 2022, 09:27:36 PMThirded! I hope the Mariners make at least one World Series trip before I die, so that MLB can stake its claim to being the only sports league with all of its teams having played for a championship.Quote from: epzik8 on July 18, 2022, 08:35:17 PMQuote from: Bruce on July 18, 2022, 05:19:04 PMThey're the only team who has never been to a World Series, so I would love to see them shed that.
Mariners winning the World Series right after this drought would be very Mariners. I don't think it will happen, though.
If the Ms do make it to the postseason, the city is going to go nuts.
I would as well, because it looks like my Royals (again) won't be making the playoffs...
Back to the subject at hand: The pennant race starts today, and as it is, the Yankees, Astros, Mets and Dodgers are currently sure bets to get into the postseason, with the other division leaders being the Twins and Brewers. As for the wildcard, the four leaders are the Rays, Mariners, Braves and Padres. But anything can change, so let's see how it all plays out.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gonealookin on July 22, 2022, 11:16:20 PM
Post by: gonealookin on July 22, 2022, 11:16:20 PM
Quote from: Alps on July 17, 2022, 02:08:48 PMQuote from: epzik8 on July 17, 2022, 01:59:28 PMAs of this writing the entire East is over .500 and we're over 90 games into the season. Has this ever happened this late to a single division for all 5 teams?
I think the Orioles will make it to 2nd in the AL East
The Red Sox have lost their last 3 games by scores of 14-1, 13-2, and tonight (ouch) 28-5. They are still 48-46 but sure looking like a team that is going to trade away some of their players at the deadline and stagger through August and September to a losing season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on July 22, 2022, 11:58:39 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on July 22, 2022, 11:58:39 PM
Quote from: gonealookin on July 22, 2022, 11:16:20 PMQuote from: Alps on July 17, 2022, 02:08:48 PMQuote from: epzik8 on July 17, 2022, 01:59:28 PMAs of this writing the entire East is over .500 and we're over 90 games into the season. Has this ever happened this late to a single division for all 5 teams?
I think the Orioles will make it to 2nd in the AL East
The Red Sox have lost their last 3 games by scores of 14-1, 13-2, and tonight (ouch) 28-5. They are still 48-46 but sure looking like a team that is going to trade away some of their players at the deadline and stagger through August and September to a losing season.
Chaim Bloom should get a one way ticket from BOS to OVB after this one.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on July 23, 2022, 06:57:56 AM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on July 23, 2022, 06:57:56 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on July 22, 2022, 11:58:39 PMQuote from: gonealookin on July 22, 2022, 11:16:20 PMQuote from: Alps on July 17, 2022, 02:08:48 PMQuote from: epzik8 on July 17, 2022, 01:59:28 PMAs of this writing the entire East is over .500 and we're over 90 games into the season. Has this ever happened this late to a single division for all 5 teams?
I think the Orioles will make it to 2nd in the AL East
The Red Sox have lost their last 3 games by scores of 14-1, 13-2, and tonight (ouch) 28-5. They are still 48-46 but sure looking like a team that is going to trade away some of their players at the deadline and stagger through August and September to a losing season.
Chaim Bloom should get a one way ticket from BOS to OVB after this one.
We're going to find out just how effective the "Moneyball" approach really is.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 23, 2022, 11:17:32 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 23, 2022, 11:17:32 AM
Quote from: gonealookin on July 22, 2022, 11:16:20 PMDon't bother me any. I'd love to see them finish in last place.Quote from: Alps on July 17, 2022, 02:08:48 PMQuote from: epzik8 on July 17, 2022, 01:59:28 PMAs of this writing the entire East is over .500 and we're over 90 games into the season. Has this ever happened this late to a single division for all 5 teams?
I think the Orioles will make it to 2nd in the AL East
The Red Sox have lost their last 3 games by scores of 14-1, 13-2, and tonight (ouch) 28-5. They are still 48-46 but sure looking like a team that is going to trade away some of their players at the deadline and stagger through August and September to a losing season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 23, 2022, 11:23:02 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 23, 2022, 11:23:02 AM
Quote from: Henry on July 21, 2022, 01:51:35 PMWell the thing is I'm having a hard time figuring out how the Kraken even got brought up. You mentioned that you'd like to see the Mariners play for a championship so you could lay the claim that all 30 MLB teams have played for a championship. I don't see where that has anything to do with the Kraken or the NHL which has more than one team that hasn't played for a championship. Arizona never has, same with the current Winnipeg Jets, Columbus, Minnesota and Seattle so that is 5 so no idea why the Kraken got brought up when the NHL has 5 teams that have never played for a championship and the Mariners are the only MLB team that never has.Quote from: Flint1979 on July 20, 2022, 10:32:11 PMAny discussions about the Kraken should be done in the Hockey thread. And they just completed their first season, so they need some time to build a roster that can contend for a title.Quote from: Stephane Dumas on July 20, 2022, 08:42:31 AMHuh?Quote from: Henry on July 19, 2022, 12:40:17 PMSorry for raining on your parade but the new Seattle NHL team, the Krakens haven't won a championship yet.Quote from: KCRoadFan on July 18, 2022, 09:27:36 PMThirded! I hope the Mariners make at least one World Series trip before I die, so that MLB can stake its claim to being the only sports league with all of its teams having played for a championship.Quote from: epzik8 on July 18, 2022, 08:35:17 PMQuote from: Bruce on July 18, 2022, 05:19:04 PMThey're the only team who has never been to a World Series, so I would love to see them shed that.
Mariners winning the World Series right after this drought would be very Mariners. I don't think it will happen, though.
If the Ms do make it to the postseason, the city is going to go nuts.
I would as well, because it looks like my Royals (again) won't be making the playoffs...
Back to the subject at hand: The pennant race starts today, and as it is, the Yankees, Astros, Mets and Dodgers are currently sure bets to get into the postseason, with the other division leaders being the Twins and Brewers. As for the wildcard, the four leaders are the Rays, Mariners, Braves and Padres. But anything can change, so let's see how it all plays out.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on July 23, 2022, 06:52:20 PM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on July 23, 2022, 06:52:20 PM
The Kraken came up because someone commented how the Mariners are the only current MLB team to have never played in the World Series, and if they did MLB would have achieved having all 30 franchises appear which would be a first in the major sports leagues to have all teams appear in the championship round. Someone else then misinterpreted the comment as "MLB is the only sports league that *hasn't* had all teams appear" and tried to refute it by bringing up the Kraken, which is where the confusion started.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: epzik8 on July 27, 2022, 05:20:32 AM
Post by: epzik8 on July 27, 2022, 05:20:32 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on July 17, 2022, 01:59:28 PM
I think the Orioles will make it to 2nd in the AL East
I'M TELLING YOU
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 27, 2022, 10:34:00 AM
Post by: Henry on July 27, 2022, 10:34:00 AM
Has Willson Contreras played his last home game at Wrigley Field? Pretty soon, there'll be no more members of the 2016 World Series champions that are still on the team. I blame most of this on the fire sale last year that saw the exits of Kris Bryant, Anthony Rizzo and Javier Baez. On the upside, I hope they don't go another 108 years until their fourth title, and that no other team goes that long before winning another one. (The clock is ticking, Guardians...)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 27, 2022, 05:37:16 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 27, 2022, 05:37:16 PM
Quote from: Henry on July 27, 2022, 10:34:00 AMI have never liked Javier Baez and have always thought he was a hot dog. Anyway Tigers fans say you can have him back because he isn't doing good in Detroit at all. I say don't do that and let the Tigers keep him since I'm not a Tigers fan and a fan of a divisional rival of theirs and a major rival of the Cubs, the White Sox. Not liking Baez really had nothing to do with him being a Cub just I don't like his personality at all.
Has Willson Contreras played his last home game at Wrigley Field? Pretty soon, there'll be no more members of the 2016 World Series champions that are still on the team. I blame most of this on the fire sale last year that saw the exits of Kris Bryant, Anthony Rizzo and Javier Baez. On the upside, I hope they don't go another 108 years until their fourth title, and that no other team goes that long before winning another one. (The clock is ticking, Guardians...)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on August 01, 2022, 04:54:09 PM
Post by: Big John on August 01, 2022, 04:54:09 PM
The division-leading Brewers just traded Josh Hader in a fire sale. :crazy:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on August 01, 2022, 07:07:49 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on August 01, 2022, 07:07:49 PM
Quote from: Big John on August 01, 2022, 04:54:09 PM
The division-leading Brewers just traded Josh Hader in a fire sale. :crazy:
As a Brewers fan I'm trying to see the logic. I get after 2023 Hader is a FA and most likely the Brewers can't afford him. But then as a team in a pennant chase you would think they'd get something that you could say their current roster as is gets better. Williams can close but they got nobody that looks like they can help the 2022 club on offense, and the closer they got in return while saved practically the same amount of games as Hader has lost his role even before this trade happened.
I hope the young players work out, but for a team in a win now mode it's gonna be hard to convince fans to really support this trade.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on August 02, 2022, 10:13:09 AM
Post by: Henry on August 02, 2022, 10:13:09 AM
The trade deadline is tonight at 6. As it is, Willson Contreras is still a Cub, Juan Soto is still a National, and Shohei Ohtani is still an Angel. The big question is, will any of these players be traded to other teams?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 02, 2022, 10:43:46 AM
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 02, 2022, 10:43:46 AM
I saw yesterday that Ohtani is definitely staying with the Angels.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on August 02, 2022, 01:34:29 PM
Post by: Henry on August 02, 2022, 01:34:29 PM
Quote from: Henry on August 02, 2022, 10:13:09 AMWith less than five hours remaining, Juan Soto and Josh Bell have just been traded to the Padres.
The trade deadline is tonight at 6. As it is, Willson Contreras is still a Cub, Juan Soto is still a National, and Shohei Ohtani is still an Angel. The big question is, will any of these players be traded to other teams?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on August 02, 2022, 03:09:56 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on August 02, 2022, 03:09:56 PM
Quote from: Henry on August 02, 2022, 01:34:29 PMQuote from: Henry on August 02, 2022, 10:13:09 AMWith less than five hours remaining, Juan Soto and Josh Bell have just been traded to the Padres.
The trade deadline is tonight at 6. As it is, Willson Contreras is still a Cub, Juan Soto is still a National, and Shohei Ohtani is still an Angel. The big question is, will any of these players be traded to other teams?
Add Gallo to Dodgers, Hosmer to Boston, Matt Bush to Brewers, and Jorge Lopez to Twins among other moves last 24 hours
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on August 02, 2022, 03:18:27 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on August 02, 2022, 03:18:27 PM
Just an idea: can a team get a bit more for their trade if they trade away someone currently on base (especially third)? If so, does someone replace him, or is the player considered out? I do understand that the player the team receives can't play in that game, as the player lists are decided before the game starts.
More likely is that another team (likely the team they're playing against) makes a higher offer to try to get the player off base.
More likely is that another team (likely the team they're playing against) makes a higher offer to try to get the player off base.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KeithE4Phx on August 02, 2022, 11:34:32 PM
Post by: KeithE4Phx on August 02, 2022, 11:34:32 PM
Very sad news tonight. Vin Scully, the greatest play-caller in the history of baseball, died today at age 94. RIP, Vin.
https://www.foxla.com/news/dodgers-icon-vin-scully-dies-at-94.amp
https://www.foxla.com/news/dodgers-icon-vin-scully-dies-at-94.amp
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on August 02, 2022, 11:51:03 PM
Post by: Takumi on August 02, 2022, 11:51:03 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 02, 2022, 03:18:27 PM
Just an idea: can a team get a bit more for their trade if they trade away someone currently on base (especially third)? If so, does someone replace him, or is the player considered out? I do understand that the player the team receives can't play in that game, as the player lists are decided before the game starts.
More likely is that another team (likely the team they're playing against) makes a higher offer to try to get the player off base.
He comes out of the game at the next stoppage after he's traded.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on August 02, 2022, 11:56:59 PM
Post by: amroad17 on August 02, 2022, 11:56:59 PM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on August 02, 2022, 11:34:32 PMI listened to him for many years on the NBC telecasts in the 1970's and 1980's. His radio calls of Henry Aaron's 715th HR and Kirk Gibson's GW Game 1 HR in the 1988 World Series are the standards for how a radio announcer should call historic moments. He rarely, if ever, let himself be the focus of the game--he allowed the game to be the focus.
Very sad news tonight. Vin Scully, the greatest play-caller in the history of baseball, died today at age 94. RIP, Vin.
https://www.foxla.com/news/dodgers-icon-vin-scully-dies-at-94.amp
RIP to the greatest baseball announcer in history!!! :-( :cheers:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on August 03, 2022, 12:15:48 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on August 03, 2022, 12:15:48 PM
Yeah, RIP to probably the most iconic voice in the history of baseball.
As far as the Brewers trades. I'm underwhelmed. Still feels like a team that will lose its first playoff series (assuming they stay on top of the dividsion). Again.
San Diego, though; look out, LA. They're comin' for you!
As far as the Brewers trades. I'm underwhelmed. Still feels like a team that will lose its first playoff series (assuming they stay on top of the dividsion). Again.
San Diego, though; look out, LA. They're comin' for you!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on August 03, 2022, 12:39:46 PM
Post by: Henry on August 03, 2022, 12:39:46 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on August 02, 2022, 11:56:59 PMOf course, as a Cubs fan, I grew up listening to Jack Brickhouse and Harry Caray, but I'll admit that they were no match for Vin Scully, who I adopted as my second home announcer when I moved west. From Brooklyn to Los Angeles, he was a legend, and had many great moments as the longest-tenured announcer for one team. My favorite memory of Scully was when he called Kirk Gibson's walkoff HR in Game 1 of the 1988 World Series, which sparked the Dodgers to the championship that year, and I'm glad he got to see them win it all again 32 years later. Here's to Vin and a life well lived.Quote from: KeithE4Phx on August 02, 2022, 11:34:32 PMI listened to him for many years on the NBC telecasts in the 1970's and 1980's. His radio calls of Henry Aaron's 715th HR and Kirk Gibson's GW Game 1 HR in the 1988 World Series are the standards for how a radio announcer should call historic moments. He rarely, if ever, let himself be the focus of the game--he allowed the game to be the focus.
Very sad news tonight. Vin Scully, the greatest play-caller in the history of baseball, died today at age 94. RIP, Vin.
https://www.foxla.com/news/dodgers-icon-vin-scully-dies-at-94.amp
RIP to the greatest baseball announcer in history!!! :-( :cheers:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on August 03, 2022, 04:14:00 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on August 03, 2022, 04:14:00 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on August 03, 2022, 12:15:48 PM
Yeah, RIP to probably the most iconic voice in the history of baseball.
As far as the Brewers trades. I'm underwhelmed. Still feels like a team that will lose its first playoff series (assuming they stay on top of the dividsion). Again.
San Diego, though; look out, LA. They're comin' for you!
And Brewers DFA Dinelson Lamet to activate Freddie Peralta.
I get that Lamet was one of the least valuable pieces the Brewers got back in this trade.......but when you trade away a player that is considered maybe the best at his position it's unacceptable/idiotic to be getting back anyone you would be cutting in less than a week. This isn't gonna help sell that trade any better,
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on August 04, 2022, 10:20:49 AM
Post by: Henry on August 04, 2022, 10:20:49 AM
So much for Willson Contreras and Ian Happ leaving the Cubs; they're going to ride out the season with the team, and then after that, who knows? I'm glad that I'll be seeing one of the last remaining members of the 2016 World Champions still play in the Friendly Confines amidst an uncertain future.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on August 11, 2022, 07:50:26 PM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on August 11, 2022, 07:50:26 PM
The Field of Dreams game is a bit hokey, but as nostalgia it works. MLB has finally gotten something right.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on August 11, 2022, 09:19:05 PM
Post by: Big John on August 11, 2022, 09:19:05 PM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on August 11, 2022, 07:50:26 PMThere won't be a 2023 game: https://news.yahoo.com/mlb-wont-return-field-dreams-194836064.html
The Field of Dreams game is a bit hokey, but as nostalgia it works. MLB has finally gotten something right.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on August 12, 2022, 10:44:16 AM
Post by: Henry on August 12, 2022, 10:44:16 AM
I saw the game last night, and while it wasn't as good as the previous edition, it was still enjoyable in its own way. And my Cubs won too, so that was the perfect ending to a perfect night. Hopefully there'll be more games played at the Field of Dreams in 2024 and beyond.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd like to see an MLB game played at the field from The Sandlot. How cool would that be?
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd like to see an MLB game played at the field from The Sandlot. How cool would that be?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on August 12, 2022, 12:39:25 PM
Post by: Takumi on August 12, 2022, 12:39:25 PM
There are rumors of a game planning to be played at Bosse Field in Evansville, where A League Of Their Own was filmed, in 2024.
Also, the Harry Caray hologram was...interesting.
Also, the Harry Caray hologram was...interesting.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on August 12, 2022, 09:57:26 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on August 12, 2022, 09:57:26 PM
Tried to watch, but Fox wasn't coming in very good last night at my place. Damn digital TV.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KeithE4Phx on August 12, 2022, 11:37:48 PM
Post by: KeithE4Phx on August 12, 2022, 11:37:48 PM
Quote from: Takumi on August 12, 2022, 12:39:25 PM
Also, the Harry Caray hologram was...interesting.
Creepy was a better word for it. The description of going to a ballgame should never include the phrase "I see dead people." As far as I'm concerned, that should have been the final "Field of Dreams" game. The concept is bad to begin with, and adding Holographic Harry just made matters worse. I only hope they never do that to Vin.
Holograms just don't work. I remember commercials for Orville Redenbacher Popcorn and KFC with holograms of Orville and Colonel Sanders that were just too creepy for words. Same goes for Harry.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on September 06, 2022, 02:26:31 AM
Post by: amroad17 on September 06, 2022, 02:26:31 AM
Aaron Judge of the New York Yankees hit home run #54 yesterday. He is one home run ahead of Roger Maris's 1961 pace through 135 games. He should be the AL MVP as he has been carrying the Yankees for the past two weeks.
The NL MVP race is down to 3 players: Mookie Betts of the Dodgers, Pete Alonso of the Mets, and Paul Goldschmidt of the Cardinals. I believe Goldschmidt should win--he is currently leading the Majors in batting average at .331 along with 34 HRs and 107 RBIs and St. Louis is in first place in the NL Central at 79-55, 8.5 games ahead of Milwaukee (70-63).
The NL MVP race is down to 3 players: Mookie Betts of the Dodgers, Pete Alonso of the Mets, and Paul Goldschmidt of the Cardinals. I believe Goldschmidt should win--he is currently leading the Majors in batting average at .331 along with 34 HRs and 107 RBIs and St. Louis is in first place in the NL Central at 79-55, 8.5 games ahead of Milwaukee (70-63).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 06, 2022, 10:12:08 AM
Post by: Henry on September 06, 2022, 10:12:08 AM
Albert Pujols (in the final season of his career) is currently at 695 HRs, five short of the number that has only been reached three times (Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds). While I may hate the Cardinals, I still would love to see him retire with at least 700, and there's a pretty good chance that he will.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 06, 2022, 10:20:30 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 06, 2022, 10:20:30 AM
Quote from: Henry on September 06, 2022, 10:12:08 AM
Albert Pujols (in the final season of his career) is currently at 695 HRs, five short of the number that has only been reached three times (Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds). While I may hate the Cardinals, I still would love to see him retire with at least 700, and there's a pretty good chance that he will.
If he ends up just short, any chance he puts off his retirement and comes back next year, with a handshake agreement with the Cards that he'll retire as soon as he hits 700 and not take up a roster spot the entire season?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on September 06, 2022, 10:25:36 AM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on September 06, 2022, 10:25:36 AM
What happened to the Yankees? Minus Judge, they've been falling badly.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 06, 2022, 12:07:10 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 06, 2022, 12:07:10 PM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on September 06, 2022, 10:25:36 AMI begin to wonder if something or someone have jinxed the Yankees? A jinx who have the same effects as the curse of the Bambino.
What happened to the Yankees? Minus Judge, they've been falling badly.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 06, 2022, 12:23:19 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 06, 2022, 12:23:19 PM
The ghost of George Steinbrenner must me upset about something. :-D
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on September 06, 2022, 12:28:27 PM
Post by: Takumi on September 06, 2022, 12:28:27 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on September 06, 2022, 12:07:10 PMThe curse of Joey Gallo, maybeQuote from: Ted$8roadFan on September 06, 2022, 10:25:36 AMI begin to wonder if something or someone have jinxed the Yankees? A jinx who have the same effects as the curse of the Bambino.
What happened to the Yankees? Minus Judge, they've been falling badly.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on September 06, 2022, 01:30:54 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on September 06, 2022, 01:30:54 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 06, 2022, 10:20:30 AMQuote from: Henry on September 06, 2022, 10:12:08 AM
Albert Pujols (in the final season of his career) is currently at 695 HRs, five short of the number that has only been reached three times (Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds). While I may hate the Cardinals, I still would love to see him retire with at least 700, and there's a pretty good chance that he will.
If he ends up just short, any chance he puts off his retirement and comes back next year, with a handshake agreement with the Cards that he'll retire as soon as he hits 700 and not take up a roster spot the entire season?
I don't see him returning just for that. Cardinals are caliber of club(World Series contender) could give small smudge to his legacy. If he was with Reds or Pirated(for example) that aren't WS serious in next 2-3 years if he had played for them it might be possible
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on September 06, 2022, 10:01:06 PM
Post by: amroad17 on September 06, 2022, 10:01:06 PM
Quote from: Takumi on September 06, 2022, 12:28:27 PMThe curse of the injury bug--especially with Giancarlo Stanton. Anthony Rizzo's back injury isn't helping either. There is no real protection for Judge, which is why he has been batting leadoff a few times--so he does see some pitches to go after.Quote from: Stephane Dumas on September 06, 2022, 12:07:10 PMThe curse of Joey Gallo, maybeQuote from: Ted$8roadFan on September 06, 2022, 10:25:36 AMI begin to wonder if something or someone have jinxed the Yankees? A jinx who have the same effects as the curse of the Bambino.
What happened to the Yankees? Minus Judge, they've been falling badly.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on September 07, 2022, 01:24:36 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on September 07, 2022, 01:24:36 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on September 06, 2022, 10:01:06 PMQuote from: Takumi on September 06, 2022, 12:28:27 PMThe curse of the injury bug--especially with Giancarlo Stanton. Anthony Rizzo's back injury isn't helping either. There is no real protection for Judge, which is why he has been batting leadoff a few times--so he does see some pitches to go after.Quote from: Stephane Dumas on September 06, 2022, 12:07:10 PMThe curse of Joey Gallo, maybeQuote from: Ted$8roadFan on September 06, 2022, 10:25:36 AMI begin to wonder if something or someone have jinxed the Yankees? A jinx who have the same effects as the curse of the Bambino.
What happened to the Yankees? Minus Judge, they've been falling badly.
That and when you are chasing history like Judge is many teams are willing to challenge him with fastballs. Don't hear many bad things with Judge at all from other players and being looked at as a role model(aka having positive reputation) makes many teams not mind if history occurs against them........thinking of old school Tommy Lasorda rejoining if/when they kept Giants from history or titles.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 14, 2022, 12:52:46 PM
Post by: Henry on September 14, 2022, 12:52:46 PM
So here's the latest news:
It'll be exciting to see how the rest of the season plays out, that's for sure.
- The Dodgers are the first to clinch a playoff spot by winning NL West
- The Blue Jays, Rays and Mariners lead the wild-card race in the AL, while the Braves, Phillies and Padres lead in the NL
- The Yankees, Guardians, Astros, Mets and Cardinals are the five remaining division leaders as of today
- Albert Pujols is three away from 700 HRs
- Aaron Judge is three away from 60 HRs
It'll be exciting to see how the rest of the season plays out, that's for sure.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 14, 2022, 07:35:17 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 14, 2022, 07:35:17 PM
10 years ago, the Dodgers and the Angels celebrated with the Kings, the Kings first Stanley cup championship at the Dodgers stadium.
https://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles/hockey/post/_/id/6594/the-stanley-cup-goes-to-dodger-stadium
I know it should have been in the hockey thread but since the celebration was in the Dodgers stadium, it might fit the baseball thread as well. ;)
https://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles/hockey/post/_/id/6594/the-stanley-cup-goes-to-dodger-stadium
I know it should have been in the hockey thread but since the celebration was in the Dodgers stadium, it might fit the baseball thread as well. ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on September 20, 2022, 11:26:00 PM
Post by: Takumi on September 20, 2022, 11:26:00 PM
Aaron Judge has hit his 60th home run of the season.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34633515/new-york-yankees-aaron-judge-hits-60th-home-run-one-shy-roger-maris-al-single-season-record
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34633515/new-york-yankees-aaron-judge-hits-60th-home-run-one-shy-roger-maris-al-single-season-record
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 21, 2022, 07:31:59 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 21, 2022, 07:31:59 AM
Quote from: Takumi on September 20, 2022, 11:26:00 PM
Aaron Judge has hit his 60th home run of the season.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34633515/new-york-yankees-aaron-judge-hits-60th-home-run-one-shy-roger-maris-al-single-season-record
Two more and he will be the real single season home run king.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on September 21, 2022, 08:01:59 AM
Post by: Alps on September 21, 2022, 08:01:59 AM
The Yankees somehow won a lost game. I'm hoping they have recaptured the early season magic just in time.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on September 21, 2022, 09:18:35 AM
Post by: Takumi on September 21, 2022, 09:18:35 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 21, 2022, 07:31:59 AMWhile I agree with you, many don't. What's indisputable is that he'll be the AL home run king.Quote from: Takumi on September 20, 2022, 11:26:00 PM
Aaron Judge has hit his 60th home run of the season.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34633515/new-york-yankees-aaron-judge-hits-60th-home-run-one-shy-roger-maris-al-single-season-record
Two more and he will be the real single season home run king.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 21, 2022, 10:09:26 AM
Post by: Henry on September 21, 2022, 10:09:26 AM
Quote from: Takumi on September 21, 2022, 09:18:35 AMIt also means that the top three single-season home run leaders in the AL have all worn pinstripes (Judge, Ruth and Maris). I hope Judge's hair isn't falling out in his quest for 62.Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 21, 2022, 07:31:59 AMWhile I agree with you, many don't. What's indisputable is that he'll be the AL home run king.Quote from: Takumi on September 20, 2022, 11:26:00 PM
Aaron Judge has hit his 60th home run of the season.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34633515/new-york-yankees-aaron-judge-hits-60th-home-run-one-shy-roger-maris-al-single-season-record
Two more and he will be the real single season home run king.
Quote from: Hunty2022 on September 21, 2022, 09:35:17 AMThe Braves are in the playoffs too, so a rematch of last season's Fall Classic is possible, but I wouldn't count on it happening. Currently, they're running neck-and-neck with the Mets, and of course, I want Atlanta to win the NL East.
The Astros clinched their division, they made it to the playoffs! :clap:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on September 21, 2022, 12:29:40 PM
Post by: Takumi on September 21, 2022, 12:29:40 PM
QuoteHe seems to be thriving. He just went into the lead for AL batting average as well, which means he'd win the Triple Crown if it stays.
I hope Judge's hair isn't falling out in his quest for 62.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on September 21, 2022, 01:48:02 PM
Post by: mgk920 on September 21, 2022, 01:48:02 PM
Quote from: Takumi on September 21, 2022, 09:18:35 AMI also still recognize Roger Maris' 61 as the North American Major league record for a 162 game season.Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 21, 2022, 07:31:59 AMQuote from: Takumi on September 20, 2022, 11:26:00 PM
Aaron Judge has hit his 60th home run of the season.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34633515/new-york-yankees-aaron-judge-hits-60th-home-run-one-shy-roger-maris-al-single-season-record (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34633515/new-york-yankees-aaron-judge-hits-60th-home-run-one-shy-roger-maris-al-single-season-record)
Two more and he will be the real single season home run king.
Mike
While I agree with you, many don't. What's indisputable is that he'll be the AL home run king.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on September 21, 2022, 10:27:30 PM
Post by: Alps on September 21, 2022, 10:27:30 PM
Quote from: Henry on September 21, 2022, 10:09:26 AMHis quotes are comfortable. Mantle had 59 also you know... so the top 4Quote from: Takumi on September 21, 2022, 09:18:35 AMIt also means that the top three single-season home run leaders in the AL have all worn pinstripes (Judge, Ruth and Maris). I hope Judge's hair isn't falling out in his quest for 62.Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 21, 2022, 07:31:59 AMWhile I agree with you, many don't. What's indisputable is that he'll be the AL home run king.Quote from: Takumi on September 20, 2022, 11:26:00 PM
Aaron Judge has hit his 60th home run of the season.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34633515/new-york-yankees-aaron-judge-hits-60th-home-run-one-shy-roger-maris-al-single-season-record
Two more and he will be the real single season home run king.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 21, 2022, 11:11:43 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 21, 2022, 11:11:43 PM
Quote from: Alps on September 21, 2022, 10:27:30 PMIn what year did Mantle hit 59? His highest single season total is 54 in 1961. Ruth hit 59 in 1921 for third place.Quote from: Henry on September 21, 2022, 10:09:26 AMHis quotes are comfortable. Mantle had 59 also you know... so the top 4Quote from: Takumi on September 21, 2022, 09:18:35 AMIt also means that the top three single-season home run leaders in the AL have all worn pinstripes (Judge, Ruth and Maris). I hope Judge's hair isn't falling out in his quest for 62.Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 21, 2022, 07:31:59 AMWhile I agree with you, many don't. What's indisputable is that he'll be the AL home run king.Quote from: Takumi on September 20, 2022, 11:26:00 PM
Aaron Judge has hit his 60th home run of the season.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34633515/new-york-yankees-aaron-judge-hits-60th-home-run-one-shy-roger-maris-al-single-season-record
Two more and he will be the real single season home run king.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on September 21, 2022, 11:33:26 PM
Post by: Alps on September 21, 2022, 11:33:26 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 21, 2022, 11:11:43 PMFor some reason I thought he had a year like that. Oh well.Quote from: Alps on September 21, 2022, 10:27:30 PMIn what year did Mantle hit 59? His highest single season total is 54 in 1961. Ruth hit 59 in 1921 for third place.Quote from: Henry on September 21, 2022, 10:09:26 AMHis quotes are comfortable. Mantle had 59 also you know... so the top 4Quote from: Takumi on September 21, 2022, 09:18:35 AMIt also means that the top three single-season home run leaders in the AL have all worn pinstripes (Judge, Ruth and Maris). I hope Judge's hair isn't falling out in his quest for 62.Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 21, 2022, 07:31:59 AMWhile I agree with you, many don't. What's indisputable is that he'll be the AL home run king.Quote from: Takumi on September 20, 2022, 11:26:00 PM
Aaron Judge has hit his 60th home run of the season.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34633515/new-york-yankees-aaron-judge-hits-60th-home-run-one-shy-roger-maris-al-single-season-record
Two more and he will be the real single season home run king.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on September 23, 2022, 02:15:41 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on September 23, 2022, 02:15:41 PM
Watch the video. Watch closely–the combination of the score box and the bright light on the outfield wall make the beginning a little hard to see.
https://twitter.com/bigdonkey47/status/1573132578923618304
https://twitter.com/bigdonkey47/status/1573132578923618304
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on September 23, 2022, 11:28:41 PM
Post by: Takumi on September 23, 2022, 11:28:41 PM
Albert Pujols has just his 700th home run.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 24, 2022, 09:15:08 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 24, 2022, 09:15:08 AM
Quote from: Takumi on September 23, 2022, 11:28:41 PM
Albert Pujols has just his 700th home run.
It was at Dodger Stadium, and with the division and home field advantage pretty well wrapped up for the Dodgers, the fans were able to appropriately appreciate the moment and not care that they were losing.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 24, 2022, 09:51:40 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 24, 2022, 09:51:40 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 24, 2022, 09:15:08 AMI'd love for my team to have the division and HFA wrapped up and not care that they were losing, but being a White Sox fan that isn't possible at least with our worthless owner.Quote from: Takumi on September 23, 2022, 11:28:41 PM
Albert Pujols has just his 700th home run.
It was at Dodger Stadium, and with the division and home field advantage pretty well wrapped up for the Dodgers, the fans were able to appropriately appreciate the moment and not care that they were losing.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Buck87 on September 25, 2022, 07:04:30 PM
Post by: Buck87 on September 25, 2022, 07:04:30 PM
The Cleveland Guardians have clinched the AL Central Division title.
No one was expecting this at the beginning of the year, as this is the youngest roster in Major League Baseball.
No one was expecting this at the beginning of the year, as this is the youngest roster in Major League Baseball.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on September 25, 2022, 10:21:22 PM
Post by: Alps on September 25, 2022, 10:21:22 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on September 25, 2022, 07:04:30 PMPoor Twinkies
The Cleveland Guardians have clinched the AL Central Division title.
No one was expecting this at the beginning of the year, as this is the youngest roster in Major League Baseball.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 26, 2022, 10:09:32 AM
Post by: Henry on September 26, 2022, 10:09:32 AM
Quote from: Takumi on September 23, 2022, 11:28:41 PMAnd with that, he's only the third to reach that mark the legitimate way. Barry Bonds may have 762, but he cheated his ass off just to get there.
Albert Pujols has just his 700th home run.
Congratulations to Albert, even though I can't stand the Cardinals. This was definitely the feel-good moment of the season. Still hoping Aaron Judge hits 62 before the year is through.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 01, 2022, 12:53:31 AM
Post by: Takumi on October 01, 2022, 12:53:31 AM
The Mariners are going to the playoffs for the first time since 2001. They eliminated my Orioles from playoff contention tonight, though as a consolation prize the Orioles won their 81st game tonight, officially ending the team's streak of losing seasons, and tying the 2004 Tigers for the biggest increase in wins for a team that lost 110+ games the previous season. (The 03-04 Tigers went from 43-119 to 72-90, an improvement of 29 wins, and the Orioles sit at 81 wins after going 52-110 last year.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Bruce on October 01, 2022, 01:24:36 AM
Post by: Bruce on October 01, 2022, 01:24:36 AM
Mariners making the playoffs with a walk-off in the 9th inning is just peak storytelling.
In other words, every Seattle team I've seen play so far this year (Sounders, Mariners, Reign, Seawolves, Storm) has made the playoffs...except the Sounders.
In other words, every Seattle team I've seen play so far this year (Sounders, Mariners, Reign, Seawolves, Storm) has made the playoffs...except the Sounders.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 03, 2022, 12:37:31 PM
Post by: Henry on October 03, 2022, 12:37:31 PM
The Dodgers are the first NL team to win 110 games since the 1909 Pirates.
Pujols now has 703 HRs for his career (good for fourth on the all-time list, or third if we ignore Bonds), and Judge will have to hit 62 on the road, since he had none in the Yankees' last home series of the season.
Pujols now has 703 HRs for his career (good for fourth on the all-time list, or third if we ignore Bonds), and Judge will have to hit 62 on the road, since he had none in the Yankees' last home series of the season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 04, 2022, 08:57:38 PM
Post by: Takumi on October 04, 2022, 08:57:38 PM
Judge has hit 62.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: US 89 on October 05, 2022, 12:19:59 AM
Post by: US 89 on October 05, 2022, 12:19:59 AM
Quote from: Takumi on October 04, 2022, 08:57:38 PM
Judge has hit 62.
Thank God. Now we can stop interrupting football games to watch him walk or strike out.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on October 05, 2022, 07:44:38 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on October 05, 2022, 07:44:38 AM
Judge now holds the undisputed single-season home run record for players who have different first and last initials.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Buck87 on October 05, 2022, 08:17:08 AM
Post by: Buck87 on October 05, 2022, 08:17:08 AM
The postseason bracket is set:
AL:
(1) Houston vs. winner of (5) Seattle @ (4) Toronto
(2) New York vs. winner of (6) Tampa Bay @ (3) Cleveland
NL:
(1) Los Angeles vs. winner of (5) San Diego @ (4) New York
(2) Atlanta vs. winner of (6) Philadelphia @ (3) St. Louis
AL:
(1) Houston vs. winner of (5) Seattle @ (4) Toronto
(2) New York vs. winner of (6) Tampa Bay @ (3) Cleveland
NL:
(1) Los Angeles vs. winner of (5) San Diego @ (4) New York
(2) Atlanta vs. winner of (6) Philadelphia @ (3) St. Louis
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 05, 2022, 08:40:23 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 05, 2022, 08:40:23 AM
First round picks:
Rays in 3
Jays in 3
Mets in 2
Cards in 3
Rays in 3
Jays in 3
Mets in 2
Cards in 3
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 05, 2022, 10:08:33 AM
Post by: Henry on October 05, 2022, 10:08:33 AM
Quote from: US 89 on October 05, 2022, 12:19:59 AMQuote from: Takumi on October 04, 2022, 08:57:38 PM
Judge has hit 62.
Thank God. Now we can stop interrupting football games to watch him walk or strike out.
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 05, 2022, 07:44:38 AMI'm so happy for Judge's history-making moment. Too bad it didn't happen in New York.
Judge now holds the undisputed single-season home run record for players who have different first and last initials.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 05, 2022, 08:37:27 PM
Post by: Alps on October 05, 2022, 08:37:27 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 05, 2022, 08:40:23 AMI would have Cards in 2. I can also see Jays-M's going either way.
First round picks:
Rays in 3
Jays in 3
Mets in 2
Cards in 3
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on October 05, 2022, 09:37:33 PM
Post by: mgk920 on October 05, 2022, 09:37:33 PM
At least for us here in Wisconsin, pitchers and catchers report in about four months or so...
:sleep:
Mike
:sleep:
Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KCRoadFan on October 05, 2022, 11:23:48 PM
Post by: KCRoadFan on October 05, 2022, 11:23:48 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 05, 2022, 09:37:33 PM
At least for us here in Wisconsin, pitchers and catchers report in about four months or so...
:sleep:
Mike
Hey, at least you have the Packers until then. And the Bucks.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 05, 2022, 11:28:55 PM
Post by: Takumi on October 05, 2022, 11:28:55 PM
Rays in 3
M's in 3
Cards in 2
Mets in 3
M's in 3
Cards in 2
Mets in 3
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Duke87 on October 06, 2022, 12:35:49 AM
Post by: Duke87 on October 06, 2022, 12:35:49 AM
Quote from: Alps on September 21, 2022, 11:33:26 PMQuote from: Flint1979 on September 21, 2022, 11:11:43 PMFor some reason I thought he had a year like that. Oh well.Quote from: Alps on September 21, 2022, 10:27:30 PMIn what year did Mantle hit 59? His highest single season total is 54 in 1961. Ruth hit 59 in 1921 for third place.Quote from: Henry on September 21, 2022, 10:09:26 AMHis quotes are comfortable. Mantle had 59 also you know... so the top 4
It also means that the top three single-season home run leaders in the AL have all worn pinstripes (Judge, Ruth, and Maris). I hope Judge's hair isn't falling out in his quest for 62.
Giancarlo Stanton hit 59 home runs in 2017, but he was playing for the Marlins at the time so that doesn't count as a Yankee doing it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 06, 2022, 01:11:27 AM
Post by: Takumi on October 06, 2022, 01:11:27 AM
I honestly thought Stanton had been with the Yankees for longer than that.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 06, 2022, 08:27:16 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 06, 2022, 08:27:16 AM
Quote from: Takumi on October 06, 2022, 01:11:27 AMHis first year with the Yankees was 2018. He's been there five years now.
I honestly thought Stanton had been with the Yankees for longer than that.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 06, 2022, 10:08:21 AM
Post by: Henry on October 06, 2022, 10:08:21 AM
While neither the Cubs nor the White Sox will be in the postseason, the Mariners and Dodgers will. I really want to see the Dodgers win the World Series so that they can dedicate it to the memory of Vin Scully because after 111 wins, anything less would be a total letdown.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on October 06, 2022, 02:03:56 PM
Post by: mgk920 on October 06, 2022, 02:03:56 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on October 05, 2022, 11:23:48 PMQuote from: mgk920 on October 05, 2022, 09:37:33 PM
At least for us here in Wisconsin, pitchers and catchers report in about four months or so...
:sleep:
Mike
Hey, at least you have the Packers until then. And the Bucks.
Yea. And more than a few pundits are expecting the Bucks to win it all again this season.
:clap:
Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 06, 2022, 09:18:55 PM
Post by: Alps on October 06, 2022, 09:18:55 PM
Quote from: Henry on October 06, 2022, 10:08:21 AMoh hi 2001 Mariners
because after 111 wins, anything less would be a total letdown.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Bruce on October 08, 2022, 09:51:51 PM
Post by: Bruce on October 08, 2022, 09:51:51 PM
Mariners down 8-1 in the 5th and manage to win 10-9.
There will be postseason baseball played in Seattle this year. What a miracle.
There will be postseason baseball played in Seattle this year. What a miracle.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Buck87 on October 09, 2022, 07:33:12 AM
Post by: Buck87 on October 09, 2022, 07:33:12 AM
Yesterday saw the first ever postseason game to enter the 15th inning scoreless.
Then the Guardians punched their ticket to the ALDS in dramatic fashion.
Then the Guardians punched their ticket to the ALDS in dramatic fashion.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 09, 2022, 11:33:41 AM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 09, 2022, 11:33:41 AM
Quote from: Bruce on October 08, 2022, 09:51:51 PM
Mariners down 8-1 in the 5th and manage to win 10-9.
There will be postseason baseball played in Seattle this year. What a miracle.
Could we see a "Miracle in Seattle" just like a "Miracle on Ice"? ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 09, 2022, 11:58:48 PM
Post by: Alps on October 09, 2022, 11:58:48 PM
mets laid a major egg
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 10, 2022, 12:07:55 PM
Post by: Henry on October 10, 2022, 12:07:55 PM
My wife is from San Diego, so we're celebrating the Padres' win against the despised Mets. But now come the hard part: who to root for in the NLDS. She's going with the Padres again, and I'm going to pick the Dodgers.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 10, 2022, 09:59:19 PM
Post by: Alps on October 10, 2022, 09:59:19 PM
Quote from: Henry on October 10, 2022, 12:07:55 PMpick from the other side too? I'm going Phillies so someone reasonably close to home is in
My wife is from San Diego, so we're celebrating the Padres' win against the despised Mets. But now come the hard part: who to root for in the NLDS. She's going with the Padres again, and I'm going to pick the Dodgers.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 10, 2022, 11:48:23 PM
Post by: Takumi on October 10, 2022, 11:48:23 PM
DS picks: Braves, Dodgers, Astros, Yankees. CS picks: Dodgers and Astros. WS pick: Dodgers get revenge for 2017.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 11, 2022, 12:05:26 AM
Post by: Alps on October 11, 2022, 12:05:26 AM
Quote from: Takumi on October 10, 2022, 11:48:23 PMall favorites, so original
DS picks: Braves, Dodgers, Astros, Yankees. CS picks: Dodgers and Astros. WS pick: Dodgers get revenge for 2017.
I know any amount of upsets are unlikely here. I would love the Astros to be unseated and the Blue Jays are the most likely of the 4 underdogs to pull the upset (notwithstanding who they're facing) from what I know of them. Phillies have a shot at the Braves too for that matter, especially being divisional rivals.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 11, 2022, 07:30:31 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 11, 2022, 07:30:31 AM
Quote from: Alps on October 11, 2022, 12:05:26 AMQuote from: Takumi on October 10, 2022, 11:48:23 PMall favorites, so original
DS picks: Braves, Dodgers, Astros, Yankees. CS picks: Dodgers and Astros. WS pick: Dodgers get revenge for 2017.
I know any amount of upsets are unlikely here. I would love the Astros to be unseated and the Blue Jays are the most likely of the 4 underdogs to pull the upset (notwithstanding who they're facing) from what I know of them. Phillies have a shot at the Braves too for that matter, especially being divisional rivals.
The Blue Jays are pretty unlikely to be pulling any upsets.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: davewiecking on October 11, 2022, 11:11:53 AM
Post by: davewiecking on October 11, 2022, 11:11:53 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 05, 2022, 08:40:23 AM
First round picks:
Rays in 3
Jays in 3
Mets in 2
Cards in 3
!!!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 11, 2022, 12:29:28 PM
Post by: Takumi on October 11, 2022, 12:29:28 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 11, 2022, 12:05:26 AMThe Blue Jays?Quote from: Takumi on October 10, 2022, 11:48:23 PMall favorites, so original
DS picks: Braves, Dodgers, Astros, Yankees. CS picks: Dodgers and Astros. WS pick: Dodgers get revenge for 2017.
I know any amount of upsets are unlikely here. I would love the Astros to be unseated and the Blue Jays are the most likely of the 4 underdogs to pull the upset (notwithstanding who they're facing) from what I know of them. Phillies have a shot at the Braves too for that matter, especially being divisional rivals.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 11, 2022, 12:48:05 PM
Post by: Henry on October 11, 2022, 12:48:05 PM
Quote from: Takumi on October 11, 2022, 12:29:28 PMHe must mean the Mariners, although they have a very good shot at pulling an upset against the Astros.Quote from: Alps on October 11, 2022, 12:05:26 AMThe Blue Jays?Quote from: Takumi on October 10, 2022, 11:48:23 PMall favorites, so original
DS picks: Braves, Dodgers, Astros, Yankees. CS picks: Dodgers and Astros. WS pick: Dodgers get revenge for 2017.
I know any amount of upsets are unlikely here. I would love the Astros to be unseated and the Blue Jays are the most likely of the 4 underdogs to pull the upset (notwithstanding who they're facing) from what I know of them. Phillies have a shot at the Braves too for that matter, especially being divisional rivals.
My other three picks are the Braves, Mariners and Yankees. (Although I commend the Guardians for a terrific debut season, I don't think that they can get past New York, who happens to have former Cub Anthony Rizzo on its roster.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 11, 2022, 01:31:45 PM
Post by: Takumi on October 11, 2022, 01:31:45 PM
I think the Guardians have the highest chance of an upset (though as I type this, the Phillies have gotten off to a hot start in game 1), because the Yankees' bullpen seems to be a bit iffy due to injuries and Chapman being the turd of a person that he is.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 11, 2022, 07:31:40 PM
Post by: Alps on October 11, 2022, 07:31:40 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 11, 2022, 07:30:31 AMYeah I don't like typing that other team and also I am dumbQuote from: Alps on October 11, 2022, 12:05:26 AMQuote from: Takumi on October 10, 2022, 11:48:23 PMall favorites, so original
DS picks: Braves, Dodgers, Astros, Yankees. CS picks: Dodgers and Astros. WS pick: Dodgers get revenge for 2017.
I know any amount of upsets are unlikely here. I would love the Astros to be unseated and the Blue Jays are the most likely of the 4 underdogs to pull the upset (notwithstanding who they're facing) from what I know of them. Phillies have a shot at the Braves too for that matter, especially being divisional rivals.
The Blue Jays are pretty unlikely to be pulling any upsets.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 12, 2022, 03:38:46 AM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 12, 2022, 03:38:46 AM
Mariners choked just like they inflicted onto the Blue Jays
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on October 14, 2022, 10:30:42 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on October 14, 2022, 10:30:42 AM
Rather amusing error in both yesterday's (left) and today's (right) Washington Post that tends to confirm the suspicion that they don't have proofreaders:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfBj3vJWIAA2KWY?format=jpg&name=small) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfBj3vGXoAA8uRs?format=jpg&name=360x360)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfBj3vJWIAA2KWY?format=jpg&name=small) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfBj3vGXoAA8uRs?format=jpg&name=360x360)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 14, 2022, 10:52:33 AM
Post by: Takumi on October 14, 2022, 10:52:33 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 14, 2022, 10:30:42 AMTBS did the same thing, and they were broadcasting the game.
Rather amusing error in both yesterday's (left) and today's (right) Washington Post that tends to confirm the suspicion that they don't have proofreaders:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on October 14, 2022, 07:33:23 PM
Post by: mgk920 on October 14, 2022, 07:33:23 PM
I don't think that the name that the Cleveland, OH Baseball team has chosen is catching on with fans in NE Ohio, either.
Mike
Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: US 89 on October 14, 2022, 07:39:33 PM
Post by: US 89 on October 14, 2022, 07:39:33 PM
I still think they should have gone with Spiders.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 14, 2022, 08:23:24 PM
Post by: Alps on October 14, 2022, 08:23:24 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 14, 2022, 07:33:23 PMIt's a nice harmless name but not easy to remember. Way better than Commanders.
I don't think that the name that the Cleveland, OH Baseball team has chosen is catching on with fans in NE Ohio, either.
Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CtrlAltDel on October 15, 2022, 11:19:24 PM
Post by: CtrlAltDel on October 15, 2022, 11:19:24 PM
Eighteen innings. Eighteen.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: oscar on October 15, 2022, 11:31:24 PM
Post by: oscar on October 15, 2022, 11:31:24 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on October 15, 2022, 11:19:24 PM
Eighteen innings. Eighteen.
While the Mariners' fans were undoubtedly disappointed in the final outcome, at least they got the equivalent of two games for the price of one.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jgb191 on October 16, 2022, 01:45:55 AM
Post by: jgb191 on October 16, 2022, 01:45:55 AM
Glad it's finally over and my Astros advance to their sixth that's 6th straight ALCS....approaching the record of eight consecutive appearances by the Yankees from the 1996 ALCS to their epic collapse of 2004 ALCS.
If the current pattern continues -- 2022 is an even number year -- my Astros are slated to be eliminated by the winner of the Yankees/Guardians series. Since 2016, the Astros have won the ALCS in odd-numbered year 2017, 2019, 2021, 2023, and so on; and lost the ALCS in every even-numbered years 2018, 2020, 2022, and so on; which means they will make the World Series again next year to keep the pattern alive.
If the current pattern continues -- 2022 is an even number year -- my Astros are slated to be eliminated by the winner of the Yankees/Guardians series. Since 2016, the Astros have won the ALCS in odd-numbered year 2017, 2019, 2021, 2023, and so on; and lost the ALCS in every even-numbered years 2018, 2020, 2022, and so on; which means they will make the World Series again next year to keep the pattern alive.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Bruce on October 16, 2022, 02:20:35 AM
Post by: Bruce on October 16, 2022, 02:20:35 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 12, 2022, 03:38:46 AM
Mariners choked just like they inflicted onto the Blue Jays
Blame it on the air, which is hazardous enough to warrant cancellation of outdoor sporting events.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 16, 2022, 08:39:37 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 16, 2022, 08:39:37 AM
Quote from: jgb191 on October 16, 2022, 01:45:55 AM
Glad it's finally over and my Astros advance to their sixth that's 6th straight ALCS....approaching the record of eight consecutive appearances by the Yankees from the 1996 ALCS to their epic collapse of 2004 ALCS.
If the current pattern continues -- 2022 is an even number year -- my Astros are slated to be eliminated by the winner of the Yankees/Guardians series. Since 2016, the Astros have won the ALCS in odd-numbered year 2017, 2019, 2021, 2023, and so on; and lost the ALCS in every even-numbered years 2018, 2020, 2022, and so on; which means they will make the World Series again next year to keep the pattern alive.
They've been doing a BANG-up job for sure.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 16, 2022, 08:52:02 AM
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 16, 2022, 08:52:02 AM
Freddie Freeman (as a Dodger) and the Braves get eliminated on the same day.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SectorZ on October 16, 2022, 08:53:20 AM
Post by: SectorZ on October 16, 2022, 08:53:20 AM
Mysteries of the universe...
- Is there life on other planets
- Can gravity be unified with the other forces
- Why does Dave Roberts still have a job managing the Dodgers
That guy can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory like no other
- Is there life on other planets
- Can gravity be unified with the other forces
- Why does Dave Roberts still have a job managing the Dodgers
That guy can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory like no other
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 16, 2022, 09:22:00 AM
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 16, 2022, 09:22:00 AM
^I am sure that Dave Roberts would have been fired already if he did not win the World Series in 2020.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SectorZ on October 16, 2022, 05:23:59 PM
Post by: SectorZ on October 16, 2022, 05:23:59 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on October 16, 2022, 09:22:00 AM
^I am sure that Dave Roberts would have been fired already if he did not win the World Series in 2020.
I feel that was the do or die for him and since he did it bought him a few more years.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on October 16, 2022, 05:31:45 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on October 16, 2022, 05:31:45 PM
Quote from: oscar on October 15, 2022, 11:31:24 PMQuote from: CtrlAltDel on October 15, 2022, 11:19:24 PM
Eighteen innings. Eighteen.
While the Mariners' fans were undoubtedly disappointed in the final outcome, at least they got the equivalent of two games for the price of one.
This sounds like how I brag that when I play golf, I get a lot more swings for the same amount of money that someone with a scratch handicap pays.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 16, 2022, 06:34:21 PM
Post by: Alps on October 16, 2022, 06:34:21 PM
Quote from: jgb191 on October 16, 2022, 01:45:55 AMThey'll find a new way to cheat next year, exactly.
Glad it's finally over and my Astros advance to their sixth that's 6th straight ALCS....approaching the record of eight consecutive appearances by the Yankees from the 1996 ALCS to their epic collapse of 2004 ALCS.
If the current pattern continues -- 2022 is an even number year -- my Astros are slated to be eliminated by the winner of the Yankees/Guardians series. Since 2016, the Astros have won the ALCS in odd-numbered year 2017, 2019, 2021, 2023, and so on; and lost the ALCS in every even-numbered years 2018, 2020, 2022, and so on; which means they will make the World Series again next year to keep the pattern alive.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Buck87 on October 16, 2022, 08:25:58 PM
Post by: Buck87 on October 16, 2022, 08:25:58 PM
Quote from: jgb191 on October 16, 2022, 01:45:55 AM
Glad it's finally over and my Astros advance to their sixth that's 6th straight ALCS....approaching the record of eight consecutive appearances by the Yankees from the 1996 ALCS to their epic collapse of 2004 ALCS.
1997 was Cleveland over Baltimore and 2002 was Anaheim over Minnesota.
The Astros now have the record by themselves at 6, taking it from the A's (5 straight from 71-75)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 17, 2022, 10:13:38 AM
Post by: Henry on October 17, 2022, 10:13:38 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on October 16, 2022, 08:25:58 PMIIRC, they're just two behind the Braves, who appeared in every NLCS from 1991 to 1999 (the one exception being 1994, which was a strike year).Quote from: jgb191 on October 16, 2022, 01:45:55 AM
Glad it's finally over and my Astros advance to their sixth that's 6th straight ALCS....approaching the record of eight consecutive appearances by the Yankees from the 1996 ALCS to their epic collapse of 2004 ALCS.
1997 was Cleveland over Baltimore and 2002 was Anaheim over Minnesota.
The Astros now have the record by themselves at 6, taking it from the A's (5 straight from 71-75)
I'm not the least bit surprised that the Dodgers lost to their southern neighbors. It was overconfidence that did them in, and clearly Dave Roberts is this century's Bobby Cox. Both managers have had great regular seasons, only to fall short in the postseason, and each won a World Series title after a shorter-than-usual season (Cox won in a 144-game season, and Roberts in a 60-game season). I'm now hoping the Padres beat the Phillies in the NLCS, as well as either the Yankees or the Guardians beating the Astros in the ALCS.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 17, 2022, 10:30:33 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 17, 2022, 10:30:33 AM
Let's not forget that the Astros records belong in the same category as Barry Bonds' records.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 19, 2022, 10:13:57 AM
Post by: Henry on October 19, 2022, 10:13:57 AM
I stand by my decision regarding the ALCS: Yankees over Astros.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jgb191 on October 19, 2022, 04:29:18 PM
Post by: jgb191 on October 19, 2022, 04:29:18 PM
^ I agree with you....my Astros are getting eliminated by the Yankees in six games. I predict the Yankees will take the first three games, then the Astros will stave off elimination for the next two games at the Bronx, and finally Yankees knock us out in Game Six at Minute Maid. It's been a good season Astros, six straight ALCS is nothing to be upset about, but my team will have to regroup after the ALCS and find a way to get better for next year. Congrats Yankees on making it to the World Series for the first time in 13 years; I believe they have the better team.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KCRoadFan on October 20, 2022, 03:01:13 PM
Post by: KCRoadFan on October 20, 2022, 03:01:13 PM
Quote from: jgb191 on October 19, 2022, 04:29:18 PM
^ I agree with you....my Astros are getting eliminated by the Yankees in six games. I predict the Yankees will take the first three games, then the Astros will stave off elimination for the next two games at the Bronx, and finally Yankees knock us out in Game Six at Minute Maid. It's been a good season Astros, six straight ALCS is nothing to be upset about, but my team will have to regroup after the ALCS and find a way to get better for next year. Congrats Yankees on making it to the World Series for the first time in 13 years; I believe they have the better team.
Your prediction will not come true, at least not in that manner - Astros won Game 1 last night.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jgb191 on October 21, 2022, 12:42:58 AM
Post by: jgb191 on October 21, 2022, 12:42:58 AM
^ Astros have given me a slight glimmer of hope in the ALCS by holding serve at home both games to win the first two games. I had predicted Astros winning just two games, but looks like they'll win at least three games and push the Yankees to the full seven games, maybe even could take the ALCS.....it could happen! Go Astros.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 21, 2022, 01:03:11 AM
Post by: Alps on October 21, 2022, 01:03:11 AM
Quote from: jgb191 on October 21, 2022, 12:42:58 AM1996 world series says don't count chickens until hatched
^ Astros have given me a slight glimmer of hope in the ALCS by holding serve at home both games to win the first two games. I had predicted Astros winning just two games, but looks like they'll win at least three games and push the Yankees to the full seven games, maybe even could take the ALCS.....it could happen! Go Astros.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on October 22, 2022, 11:35:43 PM
Post by: CoreySamson on October 22, 2022, 11:35:43 PM
Quote from: jgb191 on October 19, 2022, 04:29:18 PMSo, uh, you were saying?
^ I agree with you....my Astros are getting eliminated by the Yankees in six games. I predict the Yankees will take the first three games, then the Astros will stave off elimination for the next two games at the Bronx, and finally Yankees knock us out in Game Six at Minute Maid. It's been a good season Astros, six straight ALCS is nothing to be upset about, but my team will have to regroup after the ALCS and find a way to get better for next year. Congrats Yankees on making it to the World Series for the first time in 13 years; I believe they have the better team.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: webny99 on October 23, 2022, 03:18:57 PM
Post by: webny99 on October 23, 2022, 03:18:57 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on October 22, 2022, 11:35:43 PMQuote from: jgb191 on October 19, 2022, 04:29:18 PMSo, uh, you were saying?
^ I agree with you....my Astros are getting eliminated by the Yankees in six games. I predict the Yankees will take the first three games, then the Astros will stave off elimination for the next two games at the Bronx, and finally Yankees knock us out in Game Six at Minute Maid. It's been a good season Astros, six straight ALCS is nothing to be upset about, but my team will have to regroup after the ALCS and find a way to get better for next year. Congrats Yankees on making it to the World Series for the first time in 13 years; I believe they have the better team.
If it was a reverse jinx, it seems to be working.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 23, 2022, 03:27:56 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 23, 2022, 03:27:56 PM
Playlist to have on in the background while watching the Astros:
"Bang on the Drum" by Todd Rundgren
"Get it On (Bang a Gong)" by The Power Station
"Bang Your Head" by Quiet Riot
"Bang Bang" by Jessie J, Ariana Grande and Nikki Minaj
"Bang and Blame" by R.E.M.
"She Bangs" by Ricky Martin
"Bang on the Drum" by Todd Rundgren
"Get it On (Bang a Gong)" by The Power Station
"Bang Your Head" by Quiet Riot
"Bang Bang" by Jessie J, Ariana Grande and Nikki Minaj
"Bang and Blame" by R.E.M.
"She Bangs" by Ricky Martin
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: epzik8 on October 23, 2022, 07:23:55 PM
Post by: epzik8 on October 23, 2022, 07:23:55 PM
My roommate is a Phillies fan and is beside himself right now.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 23, 2022, 11:00:31 PM
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 23, 2022, 11:00:31 PM
With Baseball in the Philly area, every pitch in nerve-wracking. I was at Game 3, and when the Phillies added a run in the bottom of the 6th that game to give us a 4-2 lead, I never felt the stands shake the way they did. Just before this, Philadelphia Eagles' Jason Kelce made an appearance with the Phanatic after the 5th inning. He's a center for the Eagles, and normally a position that doesn't get much attention. Kelce is one of the fun-loving Eagles though, and after he picked up the Phanatic and jumped around, he was given a beer to chug to the delight of the crowd. An inning later, we scored that important insurance run to give us some breathing room as the game played out its final innings.
If you've ever stood on a large bridge and felt it vibrate with the traffic running over it, or a strong wind allowing it to wobble, that's what it felt like when the stands shook. If you were watching the games and saw the outfield cameras shake on a home run ball - that wasn't a bad cameraperson, that was the vibration of the ballpark.
Tonight's game wasn't a must-win for the Phillies, but it would be awesome to win in front of the home crowd. An emotional Harper hit that HR in the bottom of the 8th to give the Phillies a 4-3 lead, and after a tense 9th, we were the NL Champions.
If you've ever stood on a large bridge and felt it vibrate with the traffic running over it, or a strong wind allowing it to wobble, that's what it felt like when the stands shook. If you were watching the games and saw the outfield cameras shake on a home run ball - that wasn't a bad cameraperson, that was the vibration of the ballpark.
Tonight's game wasn't a must-win for the Phillies, but it would be awesome to win in front of the home crowd. An emotional Harper hit that HR in the bottom of the 8th to give the Phillies a 4-3 lead, and after a tense 9th, we were the NL Champions.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on October 24, 2022, 12:11:43 AM
Post by: CoreySamson on October 24, 2022, 12:11:43 AM
The Astros have swept the Yankees and are headed to the World Series!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 24, 2022, 12:17:45 AM
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 24, 2022, 12:17:45 AM
Phillies-Astros. They ended the regular season playing each other. They'll end the playoffs playing each other also.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jgb191 on October 24, 2022, 12:32:38 AM
Post by: jgb191 on October 24, 2022, 12:32:38 AM
I was so glad to be wrong about the Yankees, I totally over-estimated them as an opponent! Initially, I didn't think the Astros could match the firepower of Aaron Judge, especially considering the Astros were drained after the 18-inning "double-game" (it's like coming back to work after working a double-shift on a job site) but it was a complete team performance.
For the first time ever in baseball history, the Astros advance to the World Series on an even-numbered year (2022), which had never been done before!
For the first time ever in baseball history, the Astros advance to the World Series on an even-numbered year (2022), which had never been done before!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kurumi on October 24, 2022, 11:56:16 AM
Post by: kurumi on October 24, 2022, 11:56:16 AM
Philly should be pretty happy right now: in the World Series, and leading the NFL. I'll have a banh mi (California cheesesteak :-) and join the Philly bandwagon for the Series
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 24, 2022, 12:31:56 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 24, 2022, 12:31:56 PM
Quote from: kurumi on October 24, 2022, 11:56:16 AM
Philly should be pretty happy right now: in the World Series, and leading the NFL. I'll have a banh mi (California cheesesteak :-) and join the Philly bandwagon for the Series
And add to the list the Philadelphia Union of the MLS who beat the CF Montréal. Will they win the MLS Cup? ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 24, 2022, 12:57:59 PM
Post by: Henry on October 24, 2022, 12:57:59 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 24, 2022, 12:17:45 AMIn addition, it's the second time that this postseason matchup has occurred, the first being the 1980 NLCS (with Houston representing the NL West at that time), which preceded the Phillies' first-ever World Series championship.
Phillies-Astros. They ended the regular season playing each other. They'll end the playoffs playing each other also.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: spooky on October 24, 2022, 01:12:14 PM
Post by: spooky on October 24, 2022, 01:12:14 PM
Quote from: Henry on October 24, 2022, 12:57:59 PMGames 2 through 5 of that 5-game 1980 NLCS went to extra innings, with the Astros winning a 1-0 game 3 in the 11th inning, and the Phillies winning both games 4 and 5 in Houston in the 10th inning.Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 24, 2022, 12:17:45 AMIn addition, it's the second time that this postseason matchup has occurred, the first being the 1980 NLCS (with Houston representing the NL West at that time), which preceded the Phillies' first-ever World Series championship.
Phillies-Astros. They ended the regular season playing each other. They'll end the playoffs playing each other also.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 24, 2022, 04:19:18 PM
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 24, 2022, 04:19:18 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on October 24, 2022, 12:31:56 PMQuote from: kurumi on October 24, 2022, 11:56:16 AM
Philly should be pretty happy right now: in the World Series, and leading the NFL. I'll have a banh mi (California cheesesteak :-) and join the Philly bandwagon for the Series
And add to the list the Philadelphia Union of the MLS who beat the CF Montréal. Will they win the MLS Cup? ;)
This could get freaky. If the Union are in the Championship game, and the World Series goes to a 7th winner-take-all game, those games will occur on the same night, back to back, both televised by Fox!
As it is, Philly sports fans are going to be treated to an intense week of non-stop sports. Fortunately, the scheduling Gods must've had the foresight to see who would be playing this week. Of the following, no games will overlap.
Starting this Friday (and knowing Games 5, 6 & 7 are if necessary)...
Friday: Phillies, World Series Game 1
Saturday: Phillies, World Series Game 2
Sunday: Eagles vs Pittsburgh (and remember, the Eagles are undefeated currently)
Monday: Phillies, World Series Game 3
Tuesday: Phillies, World Series Game 4
Wednesday: Phillies, World Series Game 5
Thursday: Eagles vs Texans
Friday: Phillies, World Series Game 6
Saturday: Potential Union MLS Championship Game, followed by Phillies, World Series Game 7
And this doesn't include the Flyers & Sixers.
Our stomachs and livers are going for a wild wide coming up...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 25, 2022, 11:53:37 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 25, 2022, 11:53:37 PM
Yankees will keep Boone and Cashman. I welcome that move.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jgb191 on October 26, 2022, 12:58:31 AM
Post by: jgb191 on October 26, 2022, 12:58:31 AM
How did the fans of the Red Sox and those of the Yankees become such bitter enemies? A former colleague of mine from Massachusettes informed me of a major celebration in their largest city this past Sunday night, the night of the Yankees shocking elimination from the ALCS.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 26, 2022, 01:06:10 AM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on October 26, 2022, 01:06:10 AM
Quote from: jgb191 on October 26, 2022, 12:58:31 AMPart of it is the curse of Bambino, where the Red Sox traded Babe Ruth to the Yankees. The Yankees would end up winning tons of world series, while the Red Sox would have to wait 86 years for their next win.
How did the fans of the Red Sox and those of the Yankees become such bitter enemies? A former colleague of mine from Massachusettes informed me of a major celebration in their largest city this past Sunday night, the night of the Yankees shocking elimination from the ALCS.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 26, 2022, 07:22:54 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 26, 2022, 07:22:54 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 26, 2022, 01:06:10 AMQuote from: jgb191 on October 26, 2022, 12:58:31 AMPart of it is the curse of Bambino, where the Red Sox traded Babe Ruth to the Yankees. The Yankees would end up winning tons of world series, while the Red Sox would have to wait 86 years for their next win.
How did the fans of the Red Sox and those of the Yankees become such bitter enemies? A former colleague of mine from Massachusettes informed me of a major celebration in their largest city this past Sunday night, the night of the Yankees shocking elimination from the ALCS.
That certainly started it, but the Boston-New York rivalry has been heated in every sport. At various periods of time, Knicks-Celtics, Rangers-Bruins and even Jets-Patriots have all been big rivalries.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: webny99 on October 26, 2022, 10:22:44 AM
Post by: webny99 on October 26, 2022, 10:22:44 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 26, 2022, 07:22:54 AMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on October 26, 2022, 01:06:10 AMQuote from: jgb191 on October 26, 2022, 12:58:31 AMPart of it is the curse of Bambino, where the Red Sox traded Babe Ruth to the Yankees. The Yankees would end up winning tons of world series, while the Red Sox would have to wait 86 years for their next win.
How did the fans of the Red Sox and those of the Yankees become such bitter enemies? A former colleague of mine from Massachusettes informed me of a major celebration in their largest city this past Sunday night, the night of the Yankees shocking elimination from the ALCS.
That certainly started it, but the Boston-New York rivalry has been heated in every sport. At various periods of time, Knicks-Celtics, Rangers-Bruins and even Jets-Patriots have all been big rivalries.
In my experience Giants-Patriots is actually a bigger rivalry, mostly because of the two Super Bowls the Giants won over the Patriots with Eli Manning. The Patriots have owned the Jets in recent decades so it hasn't been as much of a rivalry.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 26, 2022, 12:00:05 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 26, 2022, 12:00:05 PM
Jets-Pats as a rivalry was more of a pre-Brady thing, before it became obnoxiously one-sided.
Tough to pick a side in this year's WS. Do I go with the city with the biggest asshole fans in all of sports, or the team with the most tainted WS title in a hundred years?
Well last time Philly won the WS, it lead to a good episode of It's Always Sunny, so I guess I'll go that route.
Tough to pick a side in this year's WS. Do I go with the city with the biggest asshole fans in all of sports, or the team with the most tainted WS title in a hundred years?
Well last time Philly won the WS, it lead to a good episode of It's Always Sunny, so I guess I'll go that route.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jgb191 on October 27, 2022, 12:38:20 AM
Post by: jgb191 on October 27, 2022, 12:38:20 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 26, 2022, 12:00:05 PM
Tough to pick a side in this year's WS. Do I go with the city with the biggest asshole fans in all of sports, or the team with the most tainted WS title in a hundred years?
Looks like you've never met a Cowboys fan....they are STILL to this day rubbing it in about all their Super Bowl years like they just won it yesterday. And many of the players from the 2017 Astros are now with other teams, so where ever those players went, the dislike should follow them to their new teams.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 27, 2022, 01:02:35 PM
Post by: Henry on October 27, 2022, 01:02:35 PM
Quote from: jgb191 on October 27, 2022, 12:38:20 AMThe Celtics like to brag about how many championship banners they have in the rafters, while the Lakers have stars all over the middle of their floor representing their own titles.Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 26, 2022, 12:00:05 PM
Tough to pick a side in this year's WS. Do I go with the city with the biggest asshole fans in all of sports, or the team with the most tainted WS title in a hundred years?
Looks like you've never met a Cowboys fan....they are STILL to this day rubbing it in about all their Super Bowl years like they just won it yesterday. And many of the players from the 2017 Astros are now with other teams, so where ever those players went, the dislike should follow them to their new teams.
I hate teams that cheat, so I'm going with Philly here.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: therocket on October 28, 2022, 01:29:39 PM
Post by: therocket on October 28, 2022, 01:29:39 PM
Rooting for the Phillies because I hate the Astros, but I have Astros in 5.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: elsmere241 on October 28, 2022, 02:30:57 PM
Post by: elsmere241 on October 28, 2022, 02:30:57 PM
This Phillies team sort of reminds me of the 1995 Mariners, who came from way behind to win their division at the last regular-season game. They did win one round of the playoffs before Randy Johnson ran out of juice in the ALCS. The question is, how much more juice do the Phillies collectively have?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 28, 2022, 04:10:51 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 28, 2022, 04:10:51 PM
I thought of something, if the Phillies win the WS and the Union win the MLS Cup. I wonder if we could play Elton John's song "Philadelphia Freedom" to celebrate their victory? ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9587satTQDg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9587satTQDg
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on October 28, 2022, 07:08:47 PM
Post by: CoreySamson on October 28, 2022, 07:08:47 PM
My prediction is either Astros in 5 or Phillies in 7, depending on how this game goes. Astros pitching is deep, but for the Stros to win I think they have to find a way to hit Nola and Syndergaard. If not, the Phillies will win.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: therocket on October 28, 2022, 11:59:50 PM
Post by: therocket on October 28, 2022, 11:59:50 PM
NICK CASTELLANOS WITH A GAME SAVING PLAY AND GAME 1 GOES INTO EXTRAS!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 29, 2022, 01:46:22 AM
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 29, 2022, 01:46:22 AM
After the 3rd inning, nearly every bar in the Philly area was quiet; fans already thinking, let's move on to game 2. Then the next inning the Phils brought it back to 5 - 3, and the next, 5 - 5. Suddenly, new life. It became a relief pitchers dual after that. My concern was with so many pitching changes, and the increasing likelihood this was going into extra innings, both teams weren't going to have many relief pitchers left.
JT barely got that homer over the RF fence and outstretched glove.
The Phillies will make every save situation a stressing nail-biter.
But, they managed to get that 3rd out. A huge sigh of relief!
JT barely got that homer over the RF fence and outstretched glove.
The Phillies will make every save situation a stressing nail-biter.
But, they managed to get that 3rd out. A huge sigh of relief!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 29, 2022, 07:47:36 AM
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 29, 2022, 07:47:36 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 29, 2022, 01:46:22 AM
After the 3rd inning, nearly every bar in the Philly area was quiet; fans already thinking, let's move on to game 2. Then the next inning the Phils brought it back to 5 - 3, and the next, 5 - 5. Suddenly, new life. It became a relief pitchers dual after that. My concern was with so many pitching changes, and the increasing likelihood this was going into extra innings, both teams weren't going to have many relief pitchers left.
JT barely got that homer over the RF fence and outstretched glove.
The Phillies will make every save situation a stressing nail-biter.
But, they managed to get that 3rd out. A huge sigh of relief!
And my mom is mad that her prediction of Bryce Harper going 0 for 20 was well......wrong.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on October 29, 2022, 03:02:04 PM
Post by: mgk920 on October 29, 2022, 03:02:04 PM
Quote from: jgb191 on October 27, 2022, 12:38:20 AMQuote from: triplemultiplex on October 26, 2022, 12:00:05 PM
Tough to pick a side in this year's WS. Do I go with the city with the biggest asshole fans in all of sports, or the team with the most tainted WS title in a hundred years?
Looks like you've never met a Cowboys fan....they are STILL to this day rubbing it in about all their Super Bowl years like they just won it yesterday. And many of the players from the 2017 Astros are now with other teams, so where ever those players went, the dislike should follow them to their new teams.
I still have my late father's ticket stub from the most famous EVER Cowboys' loss.
Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 31, 2022, 10:00:32 PM
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 31, 2022, 10:00:32 PM
The Phillies/Astros Game 3 was rained out tonight. They will play tomorrow night. For people going to the games:
All the games are now pushed back 1 day. Mon/Tue/Wed was to be Games 3/4/5. Now it's Tue/Wed/Thu. Friday is now a travel day, if necessary, followed by Games 6 & 7 on Sat & Sun, again, if necessary. If someone had tickets and had to make special arrangements to be at a specific game, they are going to have to figure out a way to make it work, or sell the tickets.
On Thursday, there will be a unique matchup of Philadelphia & Houston playing in Philly, along with Philadelphia & Houston playing in Houston. The 1st matchup is Baseball; the second is Football. Thank goodness it worked out this way; it would've been a huge scheduling issue if they both happened to be in the same city on the same day at the same time - one game would've been moved to another timeslot.
All the games are now pushed back 1 day. Mon/Tue/Wed was to be Games 3/4/5. Now it's Tue/Wed/Thu. Friday is now a travel day, if necessary, followed by Games 6 & 7 on Sat & Sun, again, if necessary. If someone had tickets and had to make special arrangements to be at a specific game, they are going to have to figure out a way to make it work, or sell the tickets.
On Thursday, there will be a unique matchup of Philadelphia & Houston playing in Philly, along with Philadelphia & Houston playing in Houston. The 1st matchup is Baseball; the second is Football. Thank goodness it worked out this way; it would've been a huge scheduling issue if they both happened to be in the same city on the same day at the same time - one game would've been moved to another timeslot.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jgb191 on November 01, 2022, 01:02:34 AM
Post by: jgb191 on November 01, 2022, 01:02:34 AM
Makes me wish that every stadium in all sports had a retractable roof on top., so as to not disrupt the plans of those that bought tickets. And then visiting fans have to buy another night at the hotel or cancel altogether, and also airline itineraries would need to be changed too to accommodate the postponement.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on November 01, 2022, 03:24:16 AM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on November 01, 2022, 03:24:16 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 31, 2022, 10:00:32 PM
The Phillies/Astros Game 3 was rained out tonight. They will play tomorrow night. For people going to the games:
All the games are now pushed back 1 day. Mon/Tue/Wed was to be Games 3/4/5. Now it's Tue/Wed/Thu. Friday is now a travel day, if necessary, followed by Games 6 & 7 on Sat & Sun, again, if necessary. If someone had tickets and had to make special arrangements to be at a specific game, they are going to have to figure out a way to make it work, or sell the tickets.
On Thursday, there will be a unique matchup of Philadelphia & Houston playing in Philly, along with Philadelphia & Houston playing in Houston. The 1st matchup is Baseball; the second is Football. Thank goodness it worked out this way; it would've been a huge scheduling issue if they both happened to be in the same city on the same day at the same time - one game would've been moved to another timeslot.
They could've got away with it if both games were in Houston. Minute Maid is downtown and NRG is out on 610.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on November 01, 2022, 01:07:20 PM
Post by: Henry on November 01, 2022, 01:07:20 PM
The last time a World Series game was rained out in Philly (in 2008), it became a good omen for the home team. As it turns out, the Game 5 clincher was the last game Harry Kalas announced for them before he died.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on November 01, 2022, 06:25:59 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on November 01, 2022, 06:25:59 PM
Quote from: Henry on November 01, 2022, 01:07:20 PM
The last time a World Series game was rained out in Philly (in 2008), it became a good omen for the home team. As it turns out, the Game 5 clincher was the last game Harry Kalas announced for them before he died.
I believe he would have announced the first few games of the 2009 season. There were 6 games (3 at home vs Atlanta and 3 in Colorado) before his untimely passing in DC on 4/13.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 01, 2022, 10:52:00 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 01, 2022, 10:52:00 PM
Amazing how less effective the Astros offense is away from home.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: US 89 on November 02, 2022, 01:19:23 AM
Post by: US 89 on November 02, 2022, 01:19:23 AM
As a loyal Braves fan, I hate the Phillies...but I hate cheaters more. So it's a reluctant "go Phils" from me. Doesn't change the fact that Bryce Harper is an arrogant obnoxious ass.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on November 02, 2022, 01:30:19 PM
Post by: Henry on November 02, 2022, 01:30:19 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on November 01, 2022, 06:25:59 PMWell, at least they still won a championship in his last full season.Quote from: Henry on November 01, 2022, 01:07:20 PM
The last time a World Series game was rained out in Philly (in 2008), it became a good omen for the home team. As it turns out, the Game 5 clincher was the last game Harry Kalas announced for them before he died.
I believe he would have announced the first few games of the 2009 season. There were 6 games (3 at home vs Atlanta and 3 in Colorado) before his untimely passing in DC on 4/13.
And 13 years later, the Phillies are already halfway to their third championship in their entire existence. As long as Houston doesn't come back to win, I'll be satisfied.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on November 02, 2022, 11:40:01 PM
Post by: CoreySamson on November 02, 2022, 11:40:01 PM
Astros just pitched the 2nd no-hitter in WS history. Wow. Wonder where the haters will sleep tonight?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on November 03, 2022, 12:13:20 AM
Post by: Alps on November 03, 2022, 12:13:20 AM
Quote from: CoreySamson on November 02, 2022, 11:40:01 PM99% of America sleeps where they live. The cheaters will sleep in a hotel.
Astros just pitched the 2nd no-hitter in WS history. Wow. Wonder where the haters will sleep tonight?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Duke87 on November 03, 2022, 12:28:54 AM
Post by: Duke87 on November 03, 2022, 12:28:54 AM
And that was a fake no-hitter. Doesn't count if the starting pitcher doesn't pitch 9 innings.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: texaskdog on November 03, 2022, 12:51:31 AM
Post by: texaskdog on November 03, 2022, 12:51:31 AM
Quote from: Duke87 on November 03, 2022, 12:28:54 AM
And that was a fake no-hitter. Doesn't count if the starting pitcher doesn't pitch 9 innings.
Agreed.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jgb191 on November 03, 2022, 01:32:30 AM
Post by: jgb191 on November 03, 2022, 01:32:30 AM
I don't think I remember seeing the Phillies hit a single ball into fair territory in Game Four, then when I checked the final scoreboard, that confirmed what I suspected -- ZERO hits by the Phillies. Simple equation: zero hits = zero hits. Isn't baseball a team-effort sport, or have the rules changed to one-on-one all of the sudden?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: therocket on November 03, 2022, 12:10:07 PM
Post by: therocket on November 03, 2022, 12:10:07 PM
Congrats to Cristian Javier and the HOU bullpen, I guess
Game 5 will be interesting. On paper, it would seem like a free win for the Astros, but Verlander's been unexpectedly shaky all postseason. Expect a slugfest later today.
Game 5 will be interesting. On paper, it would seem like a free win for the Astros, but Verlander's been unexpectedly shaky all postseason. Expect a slugfest later today.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on November 03, 2022, 12:25:42 PM
Post by: Henry on November 03, 2022, 12:25:42 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on November 03, 2022, 12:51:31 AMThirded. So by that logic, Don Larsen still has the only true no-hitter in World Series history (and a perfect game (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Larsen's_perfect_game) at that).Quote from: Duke87 on November 03, 2022, 12:28:54 AM
And that was a fake no-hitter. Doesn't count if the starting pitcher doesn't pitch 9 innings.
Agreed.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on November 03, 2022, 01:44:57 PM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on November 03, 2022, 01:44:57 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on November 03, 2022, 12:28:54 AM
And that was a fake no-hitter. Doesn't count if the starting pitcher doesn't pitch 9 innings.
It seems that baseball more than other sports has stats on the fly that make sense only to hard core fans, i.e. the "multi-pitcher" no hitter.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on November 03, 2022, 05:28:23 PM
Post by: CoreySamson on November 03, 2022, 05:28:23 PM
I do think it's fine to say that a combined no-hitter is not as remarkable an achievement as a solo no-hitter, but to say it is not a no-hitter is kind of stupid. Perhaps there should be a new tier to the pitching performance ladder:
Perfect Game
No-Hitter
Combined No-Hitter
Shutout
In essence, the higher one goes on the ladder, the more remarkable the achievement. Is a normal no-hitter as impressive as a perfect game? No! Is a combined no-hitter as impressive as a normal no-hitter? No! But a combined no-hitter is a more impressive feat than a shutout, complete game, or quality start in my opinion, so I think it should get the respect it deserves, in that it was a full game where the pitchers did not give up a hit. That in my mind makes it a no-hitter, but that's just me. I'm not saying that the Astros' performance was as good as Larsen's perfect game. That's a whole nother two rungs on the ladder. What I am saying is that I think their performance should be considered a no-hitter.
Perfect Game
No-Hitter
Combined No-Hitter
Shutout
In essence, the higher one goes on the ladder, the more remarkable the achievement. Is a normal no-hitter as impressive as a perfect game? No! Is a combined no-hitter as impressive as a normal no-hitter? No! But a combined no-hitter is a more impressive feat than a shutout, complete game, or quality start in my opinion, so I think it should get the respect it deserves, in that it was a full game where the pitchers did not give up a hit. That in my mind makes it a no-hitter, but that's just me. I'm not saying that the Astros' performance was as good as Larsen's perfect game. That's a whole nother two rungs on the ladder. What I am saying is that I think their performance should be considered a no-hitter.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 03, 2022, 05:50:52 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 03, 2022, 05:50:52 PM
As defined by MLB, a no-hitter is a team achievement that can be accomplished by a single pitcher or multiple pitchers.
Single pitcher gives up no hits in a 9+ inning game (which might only require pitching 8 innings if you lose and are the visiting team) - no-hitter
Multiple pitchers combine to give up no hits in a 9+ inning game - no-hitter
Single or multiple pitchers combine to give up no hits in 9 or more innings, but the game goes extras and one or more hits allowed in extras - not a no-hitter
Single pitcher or multiple pitchers give up no hits in a rain-shortened game - not a no-hitter [it used to be, but the rule got changed]
Starting pitcher gives up one or more hits without getting an out and then a relief pitcher comes in and pitches nine innings, giving up no hits - not a no-hitter
Is a solo no-hitter a much better achievement than a combined no-hitter? Absolutely.
Single pitcher gives up no hits in a 9+ inning game (which might only require pitching 8 innings if you lose and are the visiting team) - no-hitter
Multiple pitchers combine to give up no hits in a 9+ inning game - no-hitter
Single or multiple pitchers combine to give up no hits in 9 or more innings, but the game goes extras and one or more hits allowed in extras - not a no-hitter
Single pitcher or multiple pitchers give up no hits in a rain-shortened game - not a no-hitter [it used to be, but the rule got changed]
Starting pitcher gives up one or more hits without getting an out and then a relief pitcher comes in and pitches nine innings, giving up no hits - not a no-hitter
Is a solo no-hitter a much better achievement than a combined no-hitter? Absolutely.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: thspfc on November 03, 2022, 09:45:50 PM
Post by: thspfc on November 03, 2022, 09:45:50 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on November 03, 2022, 05:28:23 PMAnd you're right. It's literally a no-hitter. Philly had no hits.
What I am saying is that I think their performance should be considered a no-hitter.
Outta here with the baseball truthers trying to reinvent the English language to suit their egos.
Quote from: CoreySamson on November 02, 2022, 11:40:01 PMNowhere, the sound of someone banging on a trash can will keep them awake.
Astros just pitched the 2nd no-hitter in WS history. Wow. Wonder where the haters will sleep tonight?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Duke87 on November 04, 2022, 12:44:46 AM
Post by: Duke87 on November 04, 2022, 12:44:46 AM
Quote from: jgb191 on November 03, 2022, 01:32:30 AM
I don't think I remember seeing the Phillies hit a single ball into fair territory in Game Four, then when I checked the final scoreboard, that confirmed what I suspected -- ZERO hits by the Phillies. Simple equation: zero hits = zero hits. Isn't baseball a team-effort sport, or have the rules changed to one-on-one all of the sudden?
A no-hitter traditionally was seen as an individual achievement by the pitcher, credited to the pitcher. Nolan Ryan (a player, not a team!) threw an all-time record of seven of them in his career. It therefore by nature required pitching a complete game to qualify. There's no such thing as throwing 5/9ths of a no-hitter, you either throw one or you don't.
What changed isn't the rules, it was game strategy. Now everyone fusses over pitch counts and often starting pitchers will get voluntarily pulled when they hit their predefined limit no matter what, denying them the opportunity to finish the game. So we've made up this concept of a "combined no-hitter" to compensate for the sacrilegious practice of pulling starting pitchers when they have a no-hitter going.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 04, 2022, 12:57:43 AM
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 04, 2022, 12:57:43 AM
Quote from: Duke87 on November 04, 2022, 12:44:46 AMQuote from: jgb191 on November 03, 2022, 01:32:30 AM
I don't think I remember seeing the Phillies hit a single ball into fair territory in Game Four, then when I checked the final scoreboard, that confirmed what I suspected -- ZERO hits by the Phillies. Simple equation: zero hits = zero hits. Isn't baseball a team-effort sport, or have the rules changed to one-on-one all of the sudden?
A no-hitter traditionally was seen as an individual achievement by the pitcher, credited to the pitcher. Nolan Ryan (a player, not a team!) threw an all-time record of seven of them in his career. It therefore by nature required pitching a complete game to qualify. There's no such thing as throwing 5/9ths of a no-hitter, you either throw one or you don't.
What changed isn't the rules, it was game strategy. Now everyone fusses over pitch counts and often starting pitchers will get voluntarily pulled when they hit their predefined limit no matter what, denying them the opportunity to finish the game. So we've made up this concept of a "combined no-hitter" to compensate for the sacrilegious practice of pulling starting pitchers when they have a no-hitter going.
Combined no-hitters have always been a thing.
https://www.nonohitters.com/combined-no-hitters/
Granted, they have occurred much more often in the past 20 years than they did the previous 100, but they're still valid. Pitchers also throw much harder than they did in the past. Hitting 100 mph on the radar gun almost never happened. Now it's happened almost every game in the playoffs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jgb191 on November 04, 2022, 01:40:56 AM
Post by: jgb191 on November 04, 2022, 01:40:56 AM
Everyone is more than welcome to twist/spin it in a way that fits his own narrative....you have the right to your own opinion.
But one thing that's absolutely undeniable is the mathematical equation result: Zero Hits = Zero Hits by the Phillies in Game Four. Baseball is always total team-effort sport, never an individual sport. If it was your team, you'd be lauding them for that, but because it's the Astros that pulled it off, people just want to refuse to give them credit; I get it.
Ironically since the Astros won Game Five, history is against them the rest of the series....they now have the home-field DIS-advantage. I am lamenting my Astros combined 3 wins and 12 losses in all of their World Series home games. That has got to change if they want any hope to win it all; this series is still far from over. Remember this is precisely where the Astros were in 2019: up 3-2 coming home to Minute Maid Park only to be knocked out by the Washington Nationals; anything can (and probably will) happen.
But one thing that's absolutely undeniable is the mathematical equation result: Zero Hits = Zero Hits by the Phillies in Game Four. Baseball is always total team-effort sport, never an individual sport. If it was your team, you'd be lauding them for that, but because it's the Astros that pulled it off, people just want to refuse to give them credit; I get it.
Ironically since the Astros won Game Five, history is against them the rest of the series....they now have the home-field DIS-advantage. I am lamenting my Astros combined 3 wins and 12 losses in all of their World Series home games. That has got to change if they want any hope to win it all; this series is still far from over. Remember this is precisely where the Astros were in 2019: up 3-2 coming home to Minute Maid Park only to be knocked out by the Washington Nationals; anything can (and probably will) happen.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Duke87 on November 04, 2022, 02:02:42 AM
Post by: Duke87 on November 04, 2022, 02:02:42 AM
Quote from: jgb191 on November 04, 2022, 01:40:56 AM
If it was your team, you'd be lauding them for that, but because it's the Astros that pulled it off, people just want to refuse to give them credit; I get it.
Please, if it were my team I'd want the manager's head for pulling the starter and denying them a chance at a legitimate no-hitter.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: oscar on November 04, 2022, 05:52:40 AM
Post by: oscar on November 04, 2022, 05:52:40 AM
Quote from: jgb191 on November 04, 2022, 01:40:56 AM
Ironically since the Astros won Game Five, history is against them the rest of the series....they now have the home-field DIS-advantage. I am lamenting my Astros combined 3 wins and 12 losses in all of their World Series home games. That has got to change if they want any hope to win it all; this series is still far from over. Remember this is precisely where the Astros were in 2019: up 3-2 coming home to Minute Maid Park only to be knocked out by the Washington Nationals; anything can (and probably will) happen.
But this year. the Astros have won a home World Series game. That's an improvement over the 2019 series, where the Astros and the Nats lost every one of their home games (the Nats won the 2019 series, since they had fewer home games).
This year, there have been enough nail-biters (like Game 5, and Game 1) that the Phillies could pull out wins in their remaining games in Houston.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: thspfc on November 04, 2022, 07:51:25 AM
Post by: thspfc on November 04, 2022, 07:51:25 AM
Quote from: Duke87 on November 04, 2022, 12:44:46 AMYou're only 34, and still manage to be the THAT kind of baseball fan . . .Quote from: jgb191 on November 03, 2022, 01:32:30 AM
I don't think I remember seeing the Phillies hit a single ball into fair territory in Game Four, then when I checked the final scoreboard, that confirmed what I suspected -- ZERO hits by the Phillies. Simple equation: zero hits = zero hits. Isn't baseball a team-effort sport, or have the rules changed to one-on-one all of the sudden?
A no-hitter traditionally was seen as an individual achievement by the pitcher, credited to the pitcher. Nolan Ryan (a player, not a team!) threw an all-time record of seven of them in his career. It therefore by nature required pitching a complete game to qualify. There's no such thing as throwing 5/9ths of a no-hitter, you either throw one or you don't.
What changed isn't the rules, it was game strategy. Now everyone fusses over pitch counts and often starting pitchers will get voluntarily pulled when they hit their predefined limit no matter what, denying them the opportunity to finish the game. So we've made up this concept of a "combined no-hitter" to compensate for the sacrilegious practice of pulling starting pitchers when they have a no-hitter going.
This is why the sport is declining . . .
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on November 04, 2022, 01:38:33 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on November 04, 2022, 01:38:33 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 04, 2022, 12:57:43 AMQuote from: Duke87 on November 04, 2022, 12:44:46 AMQuote from: jgb191 on November 03, 2022, 01:32:30 AM
I don't think I remember seeing the Phillies hit a single ball into fair territory in Game Four, then when I checked the final scoreboard, that confirmed what I suspected -- ZERO hits by the Phillies. Simple equation: zero hits = zero hits. Isn't baseball a team-effort sport, or have the rules changed to one-on-one all of the sudden?
A no-hitter traditionally was seen as an individual achievement by the pitcher, credited to the pitcher. Nolan Ryan (a player, not a team!) threw an all-time record of seven of them in his career. It therefore by nature required pitching a complete game to qualify. There's no such thing as throwing 5/9ths of a no-hitter, you either throw one or you don't.
What changed isn't the rules, it was game strategy. Now everyone fusses over pitch counts and often starting pitchers will get voluntarily pulled when they hit their predefined limit no matter what, denying them the opportunity to finish the game. So we've made up this concept of a "combined no-hitter" to compensate for the sacrilegious practice of pulling starting pitchers when they have a no-hitter going.
Combined no-hitters have always been a thing.
https://www.nonohitters.com/combined-no-hitters/
Granted, they have occurred much more often in the past 20 years than they did the previous 100, but they're still valid. Pitchers also throw much harder than they did in the past. Hitting 100 mph on the radar gun almost never happened. Now it's happened almost every game in the playoffs.
Agreed.....it's just that combine no hitters of 15+ years ago for the most part was starter goes 8 innings, closer finishes. Now we get 4, 5, 6+ pitcher no hitters that make the accomplishment lose its luster.....along with the fact no hitters have become more common as hitters aren't concerned about their high strikeout numbers compared to older generations
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on November 04, 2022, 05:44:19 PM
Post by: Alps on November 04, 2022, 05:44:19 PM
Quote from: thspfc on November 04, 2022, 07:51:25 AMDo not call other users garbage. Ever. Warning issued. Also you're wrong. Sports fans no longer caring about purity is why.Quote from: Duke87 on November 04, 2022, 12:44:46 AMYou're only 34, and still manage to be the THAT kind of baseball fan . . .Quote from: jgb191 on November 03, 2022, 01:32:30 AM
I don't think I remember seeing the Phillies hit a single ball into fair territory in Game Four, then when I checked the final scoreboard, that confirmed what I suspected -- ZERO hits by the Phillies. Simple equation: zero hits = zero hits. Isn't baseball a team-effort sport, or have the rules changed to one-on-one all of the sudden?
A no-hitter traditionally was seen as an individual achievement by the pitcher, credited to the pitcher. Nolan Ryan (a player, not a team!) threw an all-time record of seven of them in his career. It therefore by nature required pitching a complete game to qualify. There's no such thing as throwing 5/9ths of a no-hitter, you either throw one or you don't.
What changed isn't the rules, it was game strategy. Now everyone fusses over pitch counts and often starting pitchers will get voluntarily pulled when they hit their predefined limit no matter what, denying them the opportunity to finish the game. So we've made up this concept of a "combined no-hitter" to compensate for the sacrilegious practice of pulling starting pitchers when they have a no-hitter going.
This garbage is why the sport is declining . . .
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jgb191 on November 05, 2022, 01:46:36 AM
Post by: jgb191 on November 05, 2022, 01:46:36 AM
Quote from: oscar on November 04, 2022, 05:52:40 AMQuote from: jgb191 on November 04, 2022, 01:40:56 AM
Ironically since the Astros won Game Five, history is against them the rest of the series....they now have the home-field DIS-advantage. I am lamenting my Astros combined 3 wins and 12 losses in all of their World Series home games. That has got to change if they want any hope to win it all; this series is still far from over. Remember this is precisely where the Astros were in 2019: up 3-2 coming home to Minute Maid Park only to be knocked out by the Washington Nationals; anything can (and probably will) happen.
But this year. the Astros have won a home World Series game. That's an improvement over the 2019 series, where the Astros and the Nats lost every one of their home games (the Nats won the 2019 series, since they had fewer home games).
This year, there have been enough nail-biters (like Game 5, and Game 1) that the Phillies could pull out wins in their remaining games in Houston.
The Astros won a home game last year vs the Braves, so let's see if they can strive for two home wins this fall....anyway they have no choice but to win another home game to win it all....the seemingly "comfort" of being on the road is gone for the season. Historically, all the World Series the Astros have been in was celebrated by the visitors.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on November 05, 2022, 01:44:21 PM
Post by: CoreySamson on November 05, 2022, 01:44:21 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on November 04, 2022, 02:02:42 AMI actually think Dusty made the right call removing Javier from the game. Doing so allows the Astros to use him for a Game 7 appearance if necessary.Quote from: jgb191 on November 04, 2022, 01:40:56 AM
If it was your team, you'd be lauding them for that, but because it's the Astros that pulled it off, people just want to refuse to give them credit; I get it.
Please, if it were my team I'd want the manager's head for pulling the starter and denying them a chance at a legitimate no-hitter.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: thspfc on November 05, 2022, 01:53:37 PM
Post by: thspfc on November 05, 2022, 01:53:37 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on November 05, 2022, 01:44:21 PMNah. He should've gambled the series, made a decision that was not in the team's best interest. Unwritten made up rules > trying to win the World Series.Quote from: Duke87 on November 04, 2022, 02:02:42 AMI actually think Dusty made the right call removing Javier from the game. Doing so allows the Astros to use him for a Game 7 appearance if necessary.Quote from: jgb191 on November 04, 2022, 01:40:56 AM
If it was your team, you'd be lauding them for that, but because it's the Astros that pulled it off, people just want to refuse to give them credit; I get it.
Please, if it were my team I'd want the manager's head for pulling the starter and denying them a chance at a legitimate no-hitter.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hunty2022 on November 05, 2022, 10:16:14 PM
Post by: Hunty2022 on November 05, 2022, 10:16:14 PM
Yordan Alvarez 3 RUN HOME RUN!!!
Astros winning 3-1
Astros winning 3-1
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: therocket on November 05, 2022, 11:19:31 PM
Post by: therocket on November 05, 2022, 11:19:31 PM
Astros won the World Series :(
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hunty2022 on November 05, 2022, 11:19:59 PM
Post by: Hunty2022 on November 05, 2022, 11:19:59 PM
Houston Astros WON THE WORLD SERIES!!!!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Bruce on November 06, 2022, 12:17:39 AM
Post by: Bruce on November 06, 2022, 12:17:39 AM
Philadelphia seems to be the first city to lose two major league championships on the same day. Tough for them.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jgb191 on November 06, 2022, 12:49:34 AM
Post by: jgb191 on November 06, 2022, 12:49:34 AM
I think Dusty Baker Jr. has found a permanent home here in Houston. The underlying theme in this year's World Series was to win it for him. He is so admired and beloved in this city. At the age of 73 years, he is also the second-oldest coach/manager to win a World Series, second only behind a man, Jack McKeon (2003 Miami Marlins) who is the oldest to ever win it, that defeated Dusty's Cubs 19 years ago in the NLCS. He and Rudy T (NBA) will go down as the two greatest coaches in Houston sports history. For the first time in almost a decade, the World Championship trophy is present to the home team.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 06, 2022, 01:11:09 AM
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 06, 2022, 01:11:09 AM
Quote from: Bruce on November 06, 2022, 12:17:39 AM
Philadelphia seems to be the first city to lose two major league championships on the same day. Tough for them.
Probably also the first city to host two major league championships on the same day too.
We, of course, were hoping for a drastically different outcome. 90 seconds away from winning the MLS. And the Phillies were playing on house money, barely making the playoffs, having a great October, only to suddenly see their offense dry up in November.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on November 07, 2022, 12:38:30 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on November 07, 2022, 12:38:30 PM
Quote from: Hunty2022 on November 05, 2022, 10:16:14 PM
Yordan Alvarez 3 RUN HOME RUN!!!
Astros winning 3-1
They'll be second-guessing that pitching change for years. :P
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on November 07, 2022, 01:44:47 PM
Post by: Henry on November 07, 2022, 01:44:47 PM
For the first time since 2013, the home team has clinched a World Series championship. Although I still hate the Astros with a passion, I'm happy that Dusty Baker finally has his ring. But then again, just about every team he's managed has gone on to win without him (with the Reds being the lone exception). This includes the Giants (2010, 2012 and 2014), Cubs (2016) and Nationals (2019).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: therocket on November 07, 2022, 01:51:33 PM
Post by: therocket on November 07, 2022, 01:51:33 PM
Edwin Diaz signed a 5 year/$102 million deal yesterday, with a $20 million club option for a sixth year. This deal is the biggest given to a reliever in MLB history.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on November 08, 2022, 09:11:47 AM
Post by: gr8daynegb on November 08, 2022, 09:11:47 AM
Quote from: therocket on November 07, 2022, 01:51:33 PM
Edwin Diaz signed a 5 year/$102 million deal yesterday, with a $20 million club option for a sixth year. This deal is the biggest given to a reliever in MLB history.
Likely to have Josh Hader own that throne soon enough (and then someone will unseat him soon then too)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on November 08, 2022, 11:43:50 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on November 08, 2022, 11:43:50 AM
Quote from: Henry on November 07, 2022, 01:44:47 PMWith the Giants and Cubs he was well out of the picture by the time they won.
For the first time since 2013, the home team has clinched a World Series championship. Although I still hate the Astros with a passion, I'm happy that Dusty Baker finally has his ring. But then again, just about every team he's managed has gone on to win without him (with the Reds being the lone exception). This includes the Giants (2010, 2012 and 2014), Cubs (2016) and Nationals (2019).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 08, 2022, 12:35:00 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 08, 2022, 12:35:00 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on November 08, 2022, 11:43:50 AMQuote from: Henry on November 07, 2022, 01:44:47 PMWith the Giants and Cubs he was well out of the picture by the time they won.
For the first time since 2013, the home team has clinched a World Series championship. Although I still hate the Astros with a passion, I'm happy that Dusty Baker finally has his ring. But then again, just about every team he's managed has gone on to win without him (with the Reds being the lone exception). This includes the Giants (2010, 2012 and 2014), Cubs (2016) and Nationals (2019).
A star player on steroids wasn't enough for Dusty to win. He had to go to a team where the entire team was cheating.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on November 08, 2022, 01:16:26 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on November 08, 2022, 01:16:26 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 08, 2022, 12:35:00 PMYeah and it cracks me up how he's so beloved in Houston all the sudden That team would have won with Terry Bevington as their manager and then Terry would have been beloved in Houston.Quote from: Flint1979 on November 08, 2022, 11:43:50 AMQuote from: Henry on November 07, 2022, 01:44:47 PMWith the Giants and Cubs he was well out of the picture by the time they won.
For the first time since 2013, the home team has clinched a World Series championship. Although I still hate the Astros with a passion, I'm happy that Dusty Baker finally has his ring. But then again, just about every team he's managed has gone on to win without him (with the Reds being the lone exception). This includes the Giants (2010, 2012 and 2014), Cubs (2016) and Nationals (2019).
A star player on steroids wasn't enough for Dusty to win. He had to go to a team where the entire team was cheating.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on November 08, 2022, 06:41:44 PM
Post by: Henry on November 08, 2022, 06:41:44 PM
It's also funny, or ironic (however you want to put it), that in a year where a Black manager won the World Series, neither team had a Black player on its roster. This is a trend that hadn't been seen in 75 years before then.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on November 09, 2022, 02:56:06 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on November 09, 2022, 02:56:06 PM
The demographic trend for MLB players over the last couple decades as been interesting. To the point where one doesn't see many African Americans in the league any more. Seems like the pipelines of talent is diverting that demographic toward basketball and football increasingly. Meanwhile Latin players are blowing up in the majors. To the point where I think one team had an entire starting line up of Latino guys this season. It's impressive, the demographic shift. One might even argue it's keeping the league afloat.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on November 09, 2022, 05:37:18 PM
Post by: Big John on November 09, 2022, 05:37:18 PM
Oil Can Boyd of the 80s Red Sox was outspoken about the racism in baseball at that time.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: therocket on November 14, 2022, 12:45:31 AM
Post by: therocket on November 14, 2022, 12:45:31 AM
Free agency deals:
Clayton Kershaw re-signs with the Dodgers on a 1-year, "around" $20 million deal
Rafael Montero re-signs with the Astros on a 3-year, $34.5 million deal
Robert Suárez re-signs with the Padres on a 5-year, $46 million deal with an opt-out after the 2025 season
Nick Anderson signs with the Braves on a 1-year split deal ($875 thousand in the majors, $180 thousand in the minors)
Clayton Kershaw re-signs with the Dodgers on a 1-year, "around" $20 million deal
Rafael Montero re-signs with the Astros on a 3-year, $34.5 million deal
Robert Suárez re-signs with the Padres on a 5-year, $46 million deal with an opt-out after the 2025 season
Nick Anderson signs with the Braves on a 1-year split deal ($875 thousand in the majors, $180 thousand in the minors)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: therocket on December 02, 2022, 08:44:21 PM
Post by: therocket on December 02, 2022, 08:44:21 PM
Jacob deGrom just signed with the Texas Rangers for a 5 year, $185 million guarantee with a full no-trade clause and a $37 million conditional club option for the 2028 season.
https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1598845205763047425
https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1598845205763047425
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hunty2022 on December 02, 2022, 08:57:15 PM
Post by: Hunty2022 on December 02, 2022, 08:57:15 PM
Quote from: therocket on December 02, 2022, 08:44:21 PM
Jacob deGrom just signed with the Texas Rangers for a 5 year, $185 million guarantee with a full no-trade clause and a $37 million conditional club option for the 2028 season.
https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1598845205763047425
Wasn't he on the Mets?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: therocket on December 03, 2022, 10:58:35 AM
Post by: therocket on December 03, 2022, 10:58:35 AM
Quote from: Hunty2022 on December 02, 2022, 08:57:15 PMYesQuote from: therocket on December 02, 2022, 08:44:21 PM
Jacob deGrom just signed with the Texas Rangers for a 5 year, $185 million guarantee with a full no-trade clause and a $37 million conditional club option for the 2028 season.
https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1598845205763047425
Wasn't he on the Mets?
The Rangers have been strangely aggresive in free agency the last two offseasons
They signed Marcus Semien and Corey Seager to large deals last offseason and now have deGrom
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on December 05, 2022, 12:15:24 PM
Post by: Takumi on December 05, 2022, 12:15:24 PM
Fred McGriff has been elected to the Hall of Fame.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: therocket on December 05, 2022, 02:33:44 PM
Post by: therocket on December 05, 2022, 02:33:44 PM
Justin Verlander is to sign a 2 year, $86.67 million deal with the New York Mets, with a full no-trade clause and a $35 million player option vesting if Verlander pitches at least 140 innings in 2024.
https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1599824875686072323
https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1599824875686072323
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: therocket on December 05, 2022, 02:45:14 PM
Post by: therocket on December 05, 2022, 02:45:14 PM
Trea Turner is to sign an 11-year, $300 million deal with the Philadelphia Philles with a full no-trade clause.
https://twitter.com/kileymcd/status/1599850626975834112
https://twitter.com/kileymcd/status/1599850626975834112
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hunty2022 on December 05, 2022, 04:27:49 PM
Post by: Hunty2022 on December 05, 2022, 04:27:49 PM
Quote from: therocket on December 05, 2022, 02:33:44 PM
Justin Verlander is to sign a 2 year, $86.67 million deal with the New York Mets, with a full no-trade clause and a $35 million player option vesting if Verlander pitches at least 140 innings in 2024.
https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1599824875686072323
Goodbye, Verlander, we'll miss you.. :-(
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on December 06, 2022, 12:43:30 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on December 06, 2022, 12:43:30 PM
These deals are insane.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on December 06, 2022, 12:44:18 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on December 06, 2022, 12:44:18 PM
Quote from: Takumi on December 05, 2022, 12:15:24 PMThat's a good thing. He deserves to be in the HOF.
Fred McGriff has been elected to the Hall of Fame.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on December 06, 2022, 01:36:39 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on December 06, 2022, 01:36:39 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on December 06, 2022, 12:44:18 PMQuote from: Takumi on December 05, 2022, 12:15:24 PMThat's a good thing. He deserves to be in the HOF.
Fred McGriff has been elected to the Hall of Fame.
If it wasn't for those Tom Emanski commercials Fred McGriff would be near top of list for quietest HOF players. Guy was a leader on the teams he played but was the quiet leader type. Also he wasn't the team star on the teams he played for as well. As a Brewers fan saw him plenty on WGN and TBS back when they showed Cubs and Braves games. Guy deserved to be in Cooperstown sooner.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on December 06, 2022, 02:02:45 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on December 06, 2022, 02:02:45 PM
Quote from: gr8daynegb on December 06, 2022, 01:36:39 PMI remember him with the Braves. Like you said they were on TBS all the time so I would always watch their games. I probably watched the Braves on a regular basis from about 1991-1994 and as a White Sox fan before Interleague play I didn't have to worry about them playing the White Sox which I would have rooted for the White Sox over them. The Sox would come on WGN every once in awhile not as often as the Cubs who I also watched back then when I'd get home from school and would mock Harry Caray. I remember the day that McGriff was traded to the Braves though, they were playing the Cardinals and McGriff made it there in time because the game was delayed because of a fire in the press box at Fulton County Stadium it was about two weeks before the trade deadline that year. I'll never forget that fire though. Actually I think the Cardinals had a big lead in the game and ended up blowing it.Quote from: Flint1979 on December 06, 2022, 12:44:18 PMQuote from: Takumi on December 05, 2022, 12:15:24 PMThat's a good thing. He deserves to be in the HOF.
Fred McGriff has been elected to the Hall of Fame.
If it wasn't for those Tom Emanski commercials Fred McGriff would be near top of list for quietest HOF players. Guy was a leader on the teams he played but was the quiet leader type. Also he wasn't the team star on the teams he played for as well. As a Brewers fan saw him plenty on WGN and TBS back when they showed Cubs and Braves games. Guy deserved to be in Cooperstown sooner.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on December 06, 2022, 09:41:06 PM
Post by: Henry on December 06, 2022, 09:41:06 PM
For the first time ever, MLB had a draft lottery tonight, and the Pirates won, with the Nationals going second (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/35199694/pirates-win-1st-mlb-draft-lottery-right-pick-no-1-nats-get-no-2). So, with the NHL also instituting its own draft lottery recently, the NFL is now the only pro sports league without one, and I don't see it changing anytime soon.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: therocket on December 07, 2022, 10:59:56 AM
Post by: therocket on December 07, 2022, 10:59:56 AM
Aaron Judge is in agreement with a 9-year, $360 million deal with the New York Yankees.
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1600480992682119169
The Padres offered 10 years, $400 million, but Judge refused the deal because he wanted to have his number retired by the Yankees. This is the second time this offseason a major free agent has refused a better-earning deal with the Padres (the first was Trea Turner).
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1600480992682119169
The Padres offered 10 years, $400 million, but Judge refused the deal because he wanted to have his number retired by the Yankees. This is the second time this offseason a major free agent has refused a better-earning deal with the Padres (the first was Trea Turner).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hunty2022 on December 07, 2022, 11:05:27 AM
Post by: Hunty2022 on December 07, 2022, 11:05:27 AM
Quote from: therocket on December 07, 2022, 10:59:56 AM
Aaron Judge is in agreement with a 9-year, $360 million deal with the New York Yankees.
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1600480992682119169
The Padres offered 10 years, $400 million, but Judge refused the deal because he wanted to have his number retired by the Yankees. This is the second time this offseason a major free agent has refused a better-earning deal with the Padres (the first was Trea Turner).
What do the Giants have to say about this?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on December 07, 2022, 01:13:16 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on December 07, 2022, 01:13:16 PM
Quote from: Hunty2022 on December 07, 2022, 11:05:27 AMQuote from: therocket on December 07, 2022, 10:59:56 AM
Aaron Judge is in agreement with a 9-year, $360 million deal with the New York Yankees.
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1600480992682119169
The Padres offered 10 years, $400 million, but Judge refused the deal because he wanted to have his number retired by the Yankees. This is the second time this offseason a major free agent has refused a better-earning deal with the Padres (the first was Trea Turner).
What do the Giants have to say about this?
Settle for Arson Judge I guess.......if you've seen the screenshot from Jon Heyman yesterday that was popular, you'll get it
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on December 07, 2022, 08:01:05 PM
Post by: Henry on December 07, 2022, 08:01:05 PM
I was hoping Judge would stay in New York, and I'm glad he will. And one day he'll reward the Yankees by helping them win Championship No. 28.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on December 08, 2022, 06:26:50 AM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on December 08, 2022, 06:26:50 AM
Meanwhile, the Red Sox continue their descent into the moneyball world by letting Xander Bogearts flee to San Diego. I hope Chaim Bloom knows what he's doing, because few others do..
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on December 08, 2022, 07:15:30 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on December 08, 2022, 07:15:30 AM
Quote from: Henry on December 07, 2022, 08:01:05 PMHopefully that doesn't happen, I'm enjoying the Yankees lack of winning championships.
I was hoping Judge would stay in New York, and I'm glad he will. And one day he'll reward the Yankees by helping them win Championship No. 28.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on December 08, 2022, 12:19:31 PM
Post by: Takumi on December 08, 2022, 12:19:31 PM
I like Judge as a person and a player, just wish he had gone home to California so he was out of the AL East.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: therocket on December 09, 2022, 12:16:44 PM
Post by: therocket on December 09, 2022, 12:16:44 PM
Xander Bogaerts is to sign an 11-year, $280 million deal with the San Diego Padres with a full no-trade clause.
https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1600721020935376897
https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1600721020935376897
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: therocket on December 09, 2022, 12:24:07 PM
Post by: therocket on December 09, 2022, 12:24:07 PM
Brandon Nimmo is to sign an 8-year, $162 million deal with the New York Mets with a full no-trade clause.
https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/1601030277110923264
https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/1601030277110923264
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: therocket on December 13, 2022, 11:54:48 PM
Post by: therocket on December 13, 2022, 11:54:48 PM
Carlos Correa is in agreement with a 13-year, $350 million deal with the San Francisco Giants with a full no-trade clause.
https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1602887992313626625
https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1602887992313626625
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: therocket on December 21, 2022, 11:42:56 AM
Post by: therocket on December 21, 2022, 11:42:56 AM
Dansby Swanson is in agreement with a 7-year, $177 million deal with the Chicago Cubs with a full no-trade clause.
https://twitter.com/kileymcd/status/1604227896914202625
https://twitter.com/kileymcd/status/1604227896914202625
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: therocket on December 21, 2022, 11:46:15 AM
Post by: therocket on December 21, 2022, 11:46:15 AM
Quote from: therocket on December 13, 2022, 11:54:48 PMAfter an issue in Correa's physical, Carlos Correa is now in agreement with a 12-year, $315 million deal with the New York Mets.
Carlos Correa is in agreement with a 13-year, $350 million deal with the San Francisco Giants with a full no-trade clause.
https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1602887992313626625
https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1605467617019527168
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on December 24, 2022, 02:23:51 AM
Post by: amroad17 on December 24, 2022, 02:23:51 AM
The Mets are kind of kicking butt on this round of free agency. Who do they think they are, the Yankees of the early 1980's? :D
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on December 24, 2022, 12:14:52 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on December 24, 2022, 12:14:52 PM
Quote from: therocket on December 21, 2022, 11:42:56 AMWow that's kind of a strange deal for a light hitting shortstop who strikes out a ton.
Dansby Swanson is in agreement with a 7-year, $177 million deal with the Chicago Cubs with a full no-trade clause.
https://twitter.com/kileymcd/status/1604227896914202625
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on December 24, 2022, 03:27:44 PM
Post by: amroad17 on December 24, 2022, 03:27:44 PM
^ Nowadays, many players "strike out a ton" . Gone are the days where the league leader would strike out between 130-150 times in a season. Now it is around 190-200 times in a season, and sometimes over 200 times. That is almost one strikeout every three at bats. 😳
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on February 13, 2023, 07:37:14 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on February 13, 2023, 07:37:14 PM
Even though I'm not a Tigers fan I know a lot about that franchise growing up with them over the years and rooting for them from time to time but one thing I always liked seeing is how a ballpark looks after the team has closed the place up and no longer plays there. Michigan and Trumbull is the Tigers real home to me I watched a lot of ballgames at Tiger Stadium. I was in Detroit earlier today and walked around Corktown. Tiger Stadium's site is built up now and Corktown seems to be heading in the right direction. This Google Satelite view shows the field where the Tigers once played. https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3325177,-83.068774,286m/data=!3m1!1e3
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2023, 07:47:37 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2023, 07:47:37 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 13, 2023, 07:37:14 PM
Even though I'm not a Tigers fan I know a lot about that franchise growing up with them over the years and rooting for them from time to time but one thing I always liked seeing is how a ballpark looks after the team has closed the place up and no longer plays there. Michigan and Trumbull is the Tigers real home to me I watched a lot of ballgames at Tiger Stadium. I was in Detroit earlier today and walked around Corktown. Tiger Stadium's site is built up now and Corktown seems to be heading in the right direction. This Google Satelite view shows the field where the Tigers once played. https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3325177,-83.068774,286m/data=!3m1!1e3
It made me happy to see at least the field saved. Back during 2015 I went to visit the site and there was kids from the local neighborhood using the field as park. Someone had been taking the effort to keep the field mowed and looking somewhat presentable, sure wasn't the city at the time.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on February 13, 2023, 08:08:54 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on February 13, 2023, 08:08:54 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2023, 07:47:37 PMI hear ya. I still to this day would have loved to see the Tigers remain there but Tiger Stadium was pretty outdated. For years after it closed I would always drive past it whenever I went to Detroit. Always loved coming around the curve on I-75 to see the massive light towers on the stadium up ahead. I couldn't tell you how many times I walked across that pedestrian bridge over I-75 at Cochrane Street I walked over that thing and back today just for old times.Quote from: Flint1979 on February 13, 2023, 07:37:14 PM
Even though I'm not a Tigers fan I know a lot about that franchise growing up with them over the years and rooting for them from time to time but one thing I always liked seeing is how a ballpark looks after the team has closed the place up and no longer plays there. Michigan and Trumbull is the Tigers real home to me I watched a lot of ballgames at Tiger Stadium. I was in Detroit earlier today and walked around Corktown. Tiger Stadium's site is built up now and Corktown seems to be heading in the right direction. This Google Satelite view shows the field where the Tigers once played. https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3325177,-83.068774,286m/data=!3m1!1e3
It made me happy to see at least the field saved. Back during 2015 I went to visit the site and there was kids from the local neighborhood using the field as park. Someone had been taking the effort to keep the field mowed and looking somewhat presentable, sure wasn't the city at the time.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on February 14, 2023, 02:34:19 AM
Post by: amroad17 on February 14, 2023, 02:34:19 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 13, 2023, 08:08:54 PMThe best times for Tiger Stadium that I saw on TV were in 1976 and 1984.Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2023, 07:47:37 PMI hear ya. I still to this day would have loved to see the Tigers remain there but Tiger Stadium was pretty outdated. For years after it closed I would always drive past it whenever I went to Detroit. Always loved coming around the curve on I-75 to see the massive light towers on the stadium up ahead. I couldn't tell you how many times I walked across that pedestrian bridge over I-75 at Cochrane Street I walked over that thing and back today just for old times.Quote from: Flint1979 on February 13, 2023, 07:37:14 PM
Even though I'm not a Tigers fan I know a lot about that franchise growing up with them over the years and rooting for them from time to time but one thing I always liked seeing is how a ballpark looks after the team has closed the place up and no longer plays there. Michigan and Trumbull is the Tigers real home to me I watched a lot of ballgames at Tiger Stadium. I was in Detroit earlier today and walked around Corktown. Tiger Stadium's site is built up now and Corktown seems to be heading in the right direction. This Google Satelite view shows the field where the Tigers once played. https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3325177,-83.068774,286m/data=!3m1!1e3
It made me happy to see at least the field saved. Back during 2015 I went to visit the site and there was kids from the local neighborhood using the field as park. Someone had been taking the effort to keep the field mowed and looking somewhat presentable, sure wasn't the city at the time.
1976 was the year of Mark "The Bird" Fidrych. He was someone to watch--talking to the baseball (himself, actually), patting down the mound, and jumping around all over the field, congratulating teammates on good plays. His coming out party was when the Tigers beat the eventual American League Champion New York Yankees 5-1 on Monday Night Baseball that season with Fidrych pitching a complete game in 1:51 (hardly ever going to see that again). The Tiger fans would not leave until he came back out for a post-game curtain call, which he did--in his socks! :-D. He sold out stadiums that summer on his way to being the American League Rookie of the Year and a start in that year's All-Star Game. He ended up going 19-9, pitching 24 complete games in 29 starts (had 31 appearances that season), 250 IP with 217 hits allowed, 53 walks and 97 K's, a WHIP of 1.079, and led the AL in ERA at 2.34, beating out Vida Blue of Oakland at 2.35. He finished 2nd in the Cy Young Award voting to Jim Palmer of the Baltimore Orioles (I believe he should have won it). I still have fond memories of him and that season.
1984 was the Year of the Tiger in which the team won the World Series over the San Diego Padres 4 games to 1, with Kirk Gibson hitting that mammoth home run of Rich "Goose" Gossage in Game 5 to seal the deal. They started 35-5 and finished at 104-58, easily winning the AL East by 15 games over Toronto. They also had the AL MVP and Cy Young Award winner in Willie Hernandez, who went 9-3 with 32 saves and a 1.92 ERA. Another rocking year.
It is good to hear that the area is not in any disarray.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on February 14, 2023, 06:36:19 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on February 14, 2023, 06:36:19 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on February 14, 2023, 02:34:19 AMIn 1976 The Bird was pretty much all the Tigers had and would sell out the stadium when he pitched then there'd be 8,000 people there the next night. That Monday night game against the Yankees is pretty well documented.Quote from: Flint1979 on February 13, 2023, 08:08:54 PMThe best times for Tiger Stadium that I saw on TV were in 1976 and 1984.Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2023, 07:47:37 PMI hear ya. I still to this day would have loved to see the Tigers remain there but Tiger Stadium was pretty outdated. For years after it closed I would always drive past it whenever I went to Detroit. Always loved coming around the curve on I-75 to see the massive light towers on the stadium up ahead. I couldn't tell you how many times I walked across that pedestrian bridge over I-75 at Cochrane Street I walked over that thing and back today just for old times.Quote from: Flint1979 on February 13, 2023, 07:37:14 PM
Even though I'm not a Tigers fan I know a lot about that franchise growing up with them over the years and rooting for them from time to time but one thing I always liked seeing is how a ballpark looks after the team has closed the place up and no longer plays there. Michigan and Trumbull is the Tigers real home to me I watched a lot of ballgames at Tiger Stadium. I was in Detroit earlier today and walked around Corktown. Tiger Stadium's site is built up now and Corktown seems to be heading in the right direction. This Google Satelite view shows the field where the Tigers once played. https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3325177,-83.068774,286m/data=!3m1!1e3
It made me happy to see at least the field saved. Back during 2015 I went to visit the site and there was kids from the local neighborhood using the field as park. Someone had been taking the effort to keep the field mowed and looking somewhat presentable, sure wasn't the city at the time.
1976 was the year of Mark "The Bird" Fidrych. He was someone to watch--talking to the baseball (himself, actually), patting down the mound, and jumping around all over the field, congratulating teammates on good plays. His coming out party was when the Tigers beat the eventual American League Champion New York Yankees 5-1 on Monday Night Baseball that season with Fidrych pitching a complete game in 1:51 (hardly ever going to see that again). The Tiger fans would not leave until he came back out for a post-game curtain call, which he did--in his socks! :-D. He sold out stadiums that summer on his way to being the American League Rookie of the Year and a start in that year's All-Star Game. He ended up going 19-9, pitching 24 complete games in 29 starts (had 31 appearances that season), 250 IP with 217 hits allowed, 53 walks and 97 K's, a WHIP of 1.079, and led the AL in ERA at 2.34, beating out Vida Blue of Oakland at 2.35. He finished 2nd in the Cy Young Award voting to Jim Palmer of the Baltimore Orioles (I believe he should have won it). I still have fond memories of him and that season.
1984 was the Year of the Tiger in which the team won the World Series over the San Diego Padres 4 games to 1, with Kirk Gibson hitting that mammoth home run of Rich "Goose" Gossage in Game 5 to seal the deal. They started 35-5 and finished at 104-58, easily winning the AL East by 15 games over Toronto. They also had the AL MVP and Cy Young Award winner in Willie Hernandez, who went 9-3 with 32 saves and a 1.92 ERA. Another rocking year.
It is good to hear that the area is not in any disarray.
I remember 1984 pretty well even though I was only 5 years old when the Tigers won. They also had a solid rotation with Morris, Petry, Wilcox, Juan Berenguer and Dave Rozma. They had 54 wins between Morris, Petry and Wilcox alone. Plus they had Aurelio Lopez in addtion to Willie Hernandez.
As far as the area around the old Tiger Stadium, the area north of I-75 and west of Trumbull isn't in the greatest shape, the old train station has been bought by Ford and is coming along nicely. I never thought I would see the day that Michigan Central Station would be used again. The area just west of the old stadium where the old parking lots were could use to be developed again. When I was crossing the bridge at Cochrane Street on foot I paused in the middle to look at the Detroit skyline it was a pretty good vantage point.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on February 14, 2023, 01:52:01 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on February 14, 2023, 01:52:01 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 14, 2023, 06:36:19 AM
As far as the area around the old Tiger Stadium, the area north of I-75 and west of Trumbull isn't in the greatest shape, the old train station has been bought by Ford and is coming along nicely. I never thought I would see the day that Michigan Central Station would be used again. The area just west of the old stadium where the old parking lots were could use to be developed again. When I was crossing the bridge at Cochrane Street on foot I paused in the middle to look at the Detroit skyline it was a pretty good vantage point.
Some apartments have been built on Trumbull street where the old Tiger stadium once stood.
https://goo.gl/maps/RhkjUfa6Ff7BbyTX8
Here a vintage view of Tiger stadium then GSV shown in 2007 on Michigan Ave. https://goo.gl/maps/gDmyQa3DGWBT4AJGA
A more recent view from Sept. 2022 showing the buildings who replaced it. https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3314379,-83.0683105,3a,75y,3.25h,90.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3ryX_R5cOFj8A9-LgcL-4w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on February 14, 2023, 03:01:27 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on February 14, 2023, 03:01:27 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on February 14, 2023, 01:52:01 PMYes that is true. The stadium stood for about 10 years before it was demolished and then sat for a few more years before it started to be developed. It looks pretty nice from everything I saw on my walk around the area yesterday.Quote from: Flint1979 on February 14, 2023, 06:36:19 AM
As far as the area around the old Tiger Stadium, the area north of I-75 and west of Trumbull isn't in the greatest shape, the old train station has been bought by Ford and is coming along nicely. I never thought I would see the day that Michigan Central Station would be used again. The area just west of the old stadium where the old parking lots were could use to be developed again. When I was crossing the bridge at Cochrane Street on foot I paused in the middle to look at the Detroit skyline it was a pretty good vantage point.
Some apartments have been built on Trumbull street where the old Tiger stadium once stood.
https://goo.gl/maps/RhkjUfa6Ff7BbyTX8
Here a vintage view of Tiger stadium then GSV shown in 2007 on Michigan Ave. https://goo.gl/maps/gDmyQa3DGWBT4AJGA
A more recent view from Sept. 2022 showing the buildings who replaced it. https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3314379,-83.0683105,3a,75y,3.25h,90.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3ryX_R5cOFj8A9-LgcL-4w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on February 14, 2023, 04:27:21 PM
Post by: Takumi on February 14, 2023, 04:27:21 PM
Pitchers and catchers report to spring training this week!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on February 15, 2023, 10:11:59 AM
Post by: Henry on February 15, 2023, 10:11:59 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 14, 2023, 03:01:27 PMI think the folks in Houston know what it's like to have an old stadium stand empty for a long period of time. The Astrodome (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.6864954,-95.4081223,3a,75y,180.97h,90.73t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1saMhYIzoTCep_vaEFKQji3g!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DaMhYIzoTCep_vaEFKQji3g%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D164.8994%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) hasn't had any tenants since the Astros left for what is now Minute Maid Park in 2000, and the Texans literally play next door in their own stadium. IIRC, the reason it hasn't been demolished is because of some kind of environmental issue arising from it. Plus, on the other side, there's a power substation, so it'll probably stand forever, essentially becoming America's Colosseum.Quote from: Stephane Dumas on February 14, 2023, 01:52:01 PMYes that is true. The stadium stood for about 10 years before it was demolished and then sat for a few more years before it started to be developed. It looks pretty nice from everything I saw on my walk around the area yesterday.Quote from: Flint1979 on February 14, 2023, 06:36:19 AM
As far as the area around the old Tiger Stadium, the area north of I-75 and west of Trumbull isn't in the greatest shape, the old train station has been bought by Ford and is coming along nicely. I never thought I would see the day that Michigan Central Station would be used again. The area just west of the old stadium where the old parking lots were could use to be developed again. When I was crossing the bridge at Cochrane Street on foot I paused in the middle to look at the Detroit skyline it was a pretty good vantage point.
Some apartments have been built on Trumbull street where the old Tiger stadium once stood.
https://goo.gl/maps/RhkjUfa6Ff7BbyTX8
Here a vintage view of Tiger stadium then GSV shown in 2007 on Michigan Ave. https://goo.gl/maps/gDmyQa3DGWBT4AJGA
A more recent view from Sept. 2022 showing the buildings who replaced it. https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3314379,-83.0683105,3a,75y,3.25h,90.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3ryX_R5cOFj8A9-LgcL-4w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on February 15, 2023, 11:16:08 AM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on February 15, 2023, 11:16:08 AM
Quote from: Henry on February 15, 2023, 10:11:59 AM
I think the folks in Houston know what it's like to have an old stadium stand empty for a long period of time. The Astrodome (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.6864954,-95.4081223,3a,75y,180.97h,90.73t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1saMhYIzoTCep_vaEFKQji3g!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DaMhYIzoTCep_vaEFKQji3g%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D164.8994%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) hasn't had any tenants since the Astros left for what is now Minute Maid Park in 2000, and the Texans literally play next door in their own stadium. IIRC, the reason it hasn't been demolished is because of some kind of environmental issue arising from it. Plus, on the other side, there's a power substation, so it'll probably stand forever, essentially becoming America's Colosseum.
I guess the Astrodome could be use for filming various movie scenes like they once did with Brewster McCloud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chqSzA_wBIw
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: on_wisconsin on February 16, 2023, 03:50:57 AM
Post by: on_wisconsin on February 16, 2023, 03:50:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRt2FkdZ9SY
https://www.mlb.com/brewers/news/2023-mlb-rule-changes-inside-look
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on February 18, 2023, 08:40:12 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on February 18, 2023, 08:40:12 PM
R.I.P. Tim McCarver. :(
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/mlb/mlb-tim-mccarver-obituary-1.6750942
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/mlb/mlb-tim-mccarver-obituary-1.6750942
QuoteTim McCarver, the all-star catcher and Hall of Fame broadcaster who during 60 years in baseball won two World Series titles with the St. Louis Cardinals and had a long run as the one of the country's most recognized, incisive and talkative television commentators, died Thursday. He was 81.
McCarver's death was announced by baseball's Hall of Fame, which said he died Thursday morning in Memphis, Tenn., where he was with his family.
Among the few players to appear in major league games during four different decades, McCarver was a two-time all star who worked closely with two future Hall of Fame pitchers: the tempestuous Bob Gibson, whom McCarver caught for St. Louis in the 1960s, and the introverted Steve Carlton, McCarver's fellow Cardinal in the '60s and a Philadelphia Phillies teammate in the 1970s. He switched to television soon after retiring in 1980 and became best known to national audiences for his 18-year partnership on Fox with play-by-play man Joe Buck.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on February 20, 2023, 09:55:33 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on February 20, 2023, 09:55:33 AM
I remember a game at Tiger Stadium where I was sitting in the center field bleachers. There was an usher who was a big guy on the field below. One side of the bleachers was singing hey big daddy and he looked at us and was getting mad then the other side did the same thing. We were going back and forth driving him nuts
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: on_wisconsin on February 25, 2023, 09:43:19 AM
Post by: on_wisconsin on February 25, 2023, 09:43:19 AM
Quotehttps://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1629252979789537280
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on February 25, 2023, 10:26:16 AM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on February 25, 2023, 10:26:16 AM
Quote from: on_wisconsin on February 25, 2023, 09:43:19 AMQuotehttps://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1629252979789537280
It will indeed be interesting to see how the pitch clock and other new rules changes will change the on-field product this year.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tchafe1978 on February 25, 2023, 10:33:26 AM
Post by: tchafe1978 on February 25, 2023, 10:33:26 AM
Manny Machado was the first batter to fall victim to the new pitch clock, when he didn't stand ready in the batter's box before there were 8 seconds left on the clock, and had an automatic strike called against him. That's gonna be a fun one to keep an eye on all season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 25, 2023, 10:38:41 AM
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 25, 2023, 10:38:41 AM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on February 25, 2023, 10:33:26 AM
Manny Machado was the first batter to fall victim to the new pitch clock, when he didn't stand ready in the batter's box before there were 8 seconds left on the clock, and had an automatic strike called against him. That's gonna be a fun one to keep an eye on all season.
Good. And maybe he was testing the system, but glad the ump stuck true to the rule.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on February 27, 2023, 10:25:07 AM
Post by: Henry on February 27, 2023, 10:25:07 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 25, 2023, 10:38:41 AMAnd then the same thing happened at the end of the Red Sox-Braves game, which ended in a tie and prompted the fans to boo afterwards. I get why MLB wants games to go at a faster pace, but this is not the way to do it. Expect lots of unnecessary strikeouts this season, due to the new pitch clock that's making it now resemble the NBA.Quote from: tchafe1978 on February 25, 2023, 10:33:26 AM
Manny Machado was the first batter to fall victim to the new pitch clock, when he didn't stand ready in the batter's box before there were 8 seconds left on the clock, and had an automatic strike called against him. That's gonna be a fun one to keep an eye on all season.
Good. And maybe he was testing the system, but glad the ump stuck true to the rule.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on February 27, 2023, 01:14:56 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on February 27, 2023, 01:14:56 PM
Well back in ye olden days, there wasn't even a strike count in baseball. The ump would just decide that you were taking too many pitches and declare you out at some arbitrary point. So there is precedent deep in the history of the game for this kind of change.
But I still don't like it. Baseball is supposed to have a leisurely pace. People's brains have been melted by stupid phones and shit so that everyone has the attention span of a toddler. This is a dumb solution to the whiners that games take too long. I'd almost rather have them knock an inning or two off the game rather than hold players to a pitch clock.
But I still don't like it. Baseball is supposed to have a leisurely pace. People's brains have been melted by stupid phones and shit so that everyone has the attention span of a toddler. This is a dumb solution to the whiners that games take too long. I'd almost rather have them knock an inning or two off the game rather than hold players to a pitch clock.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Dellbeam on March 05, 2023, 04:16:39 PM
Post by: Dellbeam on March 05, 2023, 04:16:39 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 27, 2023, 01:14:56 PM
Well back in ye olden days, there wasn't even a strike count in baseball. The ump would just decide that you were taking too many pitches and declare you out at some arbitrary point. So there is precedent deep in the history of the game for this kind of change.
But I still don't like it. Baseball is supposed to have a leisurely pace. People's brains have been melted by stupid phones and shit so that everyone has the attention span of a toddler. This is a dumb solution to the whiners that games take too long. I'd almost rather have them knock an inning or two off the game rather than hold players to a pitch clock.
I always think that people who complain about baseball games being too long probably aren't huge fans of the sport itself. Especially as its games still take as long as some football or basketball games.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on March 05, 2023, 07:00:18 PM
Post by: amroad17 on March 05, 2023, 07:00:18 PM
Part of the reason the "time of game" has increased is the time allowed for commercials between innings and for pitching changes. With all MLB teams televising games today verses a select few in the 1970's and 1980's (Cubs, Braves, Mets, and Yankees to name some), more time is needed for advertising. Most areas just had the Saturday Game of the Week on NBC with Joe Garagiola and Tony Kubek and later (1976ish), Monday Night Baseball on ABC. I am not sure of what the time allotted for commercials was in the 1970's and 1980's (maybe 1:30?) but today I believe it is closer to 3 minutes. That adds up, especially with the way pitching is handled in today's game. Rare is the complete game due to managers and coaches reliance on pitch counts and situational pitching.
Baseball was never meant to be "timed" . I have never seen a "countdown time clock" in any field/stadium that I have watched a game at. The only clock I have seen in the one displaying what time it is. Whatever happens in a game is going to happen. Higher scoring games are going to take longer. Multiple pitching changes will make a game go longer. Some batters and pitchers do "take their time" . Oh well, that's gamesmanship. Live with it.
"Dellbeam" is correct in his statement above. NFL games last between 3 hours and 3 hours and 15 minutes. NBA games are usually 2h 30m to 3 hours. NHL fairly much the same as the NBA. So why the fuss about 3 hours of baseball? Besides, wouldn't having a "pitch clock" (and to some extent, a "batter clock" since they have to be in the box before 0:08) be counterintuitive to generating more ad revenue if the desire is to shorten the games? :hmmm:
Baseball was never meant to be "timed" . I have never seen a "countdown time clock" in any field/stadium that I have watched a game at. The only clock I have seen in the one displaying what time it is. Whatever happens in a game is going to happen. Higher scoring games are going to take longer. Multiple pitching changes will make a game go longer. Some batters and pitchers do "take their time" . Oh well, that's gamesmanship. Live with it.
"Dellbeam" is correct in his statement above. NFL games last between 3 hours and 3 hours and 15 minutes. NBA games are usually 2h 30m to 3 hours. NHL fairly much the same as the NBA. So why the fuss about 3 hours of baseball? Besides, wouldn't having a "pitch clock" (and to some extent, a "batter clock" since they have to be in the box before 0:08) be counterintuitive to generating more ad revenue if the desire is to shorten the games? :hmmm:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on March 05, 2023, 07:05:41 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on March 05, 2023, 07:05:41 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on March 05, 2023, 07:00:18 PM
I have never seen a "countdown time clock" in any field/stadium that I have watched a game at. The only clock I have seen in the one displaying what time it is.
Fenway Park has a clock counting down to the end of the commercial breaks between innings and half-innings. It starts at 2:25.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on March 05, 2023, 08:12:48 PM
Post by: amroad17 on March 05, 2023, 08:12:48 PM
Quote from: 1 on March 05, 2023, 07:05:41 PMThat's interesting.Quote from: amroad17 on March 05, 2023, 07:00:18 PM
I have never seen a "countdown time clock" in any field/stadium that I have watched a game at. The only clock I have seen in the one displaying what time it is.
Fenway Park has a clock counting down to the end of the commercial breaks between innings and half-innings. It starts at 2:25.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Dellbeam on March 05, 2023, 09:26:47 PM
Post by: Dellbeam on March 05, 2023, 09:26:47 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on February 14, 2023, 02:34:19 AMQuote from: Flint1979 on February 13, 2023, 08:08:54 PMThe best times for Tiger Stadium that I saw on TV were in 1976 and 1984.Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2023, 07:47:37 PMI hear ya. I still to this day would have loved to see the Tigers remain there but Tiger Stadium was pretty outdated. For years after it closed I would always drive past it whenever I went to Detroit. Always loved coming around the curve on I-75 to see the massive light towers on the stadium up ahead. I couldn't tell you how many times I walked across that pedestrian bridge over I-75 at Cochrane Street I walked over that thing and back today just for old times.Quote from: Flint1979 on February 13, 2023, 07:37:14 PM
Even though I'm not a Tigers fan I know a lot about that franchise growing up with them over the years and rooting for them from time to time but one thing I always liked seeing is how a ballpark looks after the team has closed the place up and no longer plays there. Michigan and Trumbull is the Tigers real home to me I watched a lot of ballgames at Tiger Stadium. I was in Detroit earlier today and walked around Corktown. Tiger Stadium's site is built up now and Corktown seems to be heading in the right direction. This Google Satelite view shows the field where the Tigers once played. https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3325177,-83.068774,286m/data=!3m1!1e3
It made me happy to see at least the field saved. Back during 2015 I went to visit the site and there was kids from the local neighborhood using the field as park. Someone had been taking the effort to keep the field mowed and looking somewhat presentable, sure wasn't the city at the time.
1976 was the year of Mark "The Bird" Fidrych. He was someone to watch--talking to the baseball (himself, actually), patting down the mound, and jumping around all over the field, congratulating teammates on good plays. His coming out party was when the Tigers beat the eventual American League Champion New York Yankees 5-1 on Monday Night Baseball that season with Fidrych pitching a complete game in 1:51 (hardly ever going to see that again). The Tiger fans would not leave until he came back out for a post-game curtain call, which he did--in his socks! :-D. He sold out stadiums that summer on his way to being the American League Rookie of the Year and a start in that year's All-Star Game. He ended up going 19-9, pitching 24 complete games in 29 starts (had 31 appearances that season), 250 IP with 217 hits allowed, 53 walks and 97 K's, a WHIP of 1.079, and led the AL in ERA at 2.34, beating out Vida Blue of Oakland at 2.35. He finished 2nd in the Cy Young Award voting to Jim Palmer of the Baltimore Orioles (I believe he should have won it). I still have fond memories of him and that season.
1984 was the Year of the Tiger in which the team won the World Series over the San Diego Padres 4 games to 1, with Kirk Gibson hitting that mammoth home run of Rich "Goose" Gossage in Game 5 to seal the deal. They started 35-5 and finished at 104-58, easily winning the AL East by 15 games over Toronto. They also had the AL MVP and Cy Young Award winner in Willie Hernandez, who went 9-3 with 32 saves and a 1.92 ERA. Another rocking year.
It is good to hear that the area is not in any disarray.
If The Bird didn't have a catastrophic injury during the 1977 regular season, he might've been a really good pitcher (though probably not as good to reach the HOF). He definitely was one of those players that exceeded the popularity outside of sports fandom, where he even had a cover on the Rolling Stones magazine one time. Though the Tigers in the 80s had a better team, for the most part.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on March 06, 2023, 07:21:46 AM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on March 06, 2023, 07:21:46 AM
Quote from: amroad17 on March 05, 2023, 07:00:18 PM
Part of the reason the "time of game" has increased is the time allowed for commercials between innings and for pitching changes. With all MLB teams televising games today verses a select few in the 1970's and 1980's (Cubs, Braves, Mets, and Yankees to name some), more time is needed for advertising. Most areas just had the Saturday Game of the Week on NBC with Joe Garagiola and Tony Kubek and later (1976ish), Monday Night Baseball on ABC. I am not sure of what the time allotted for commercials was in the 1970's and 1980's (maybe 1:30?) but today I believe it is closer to 3 minutes. That adds up, especially with the way pitching is handled in today's game. Rare is the complete game due to managers and coaches reliance on pitch counts and situational pitching.
Baseball was never meant to be "timed" . I have never seen a "countdown time clock" in any field/stadium that I have watched a game at. The only clock I have seen in the one displaying what time it is. Whatever happens in a game is going to happen. Higher scoring games are going to take longer. Multiple pitching changes will make a game go longer. Some batters and pitchers do "take their time" . Oh well, that's gamesmanship. Live with it.
"Dellbeam" is correct in his statement above. NFL games last between 3 hours and 3 hours and 15 minutes. NBA games are usually 2h 30m to 3 hours. NHL fairly much the same as the NBA. So why the fuss about 3 hours of baseball? Besides, wouldn't having a "pitch clock" (and to some extent, a "batter clock" since they have to be in the box before 0:08) be counterintuitive to generating more ad revenue if the desire is to shorten the games? :hmmm:
MLB has decided that they need to appeal to the millennial generation and younger who have ever shortening attention spans and many other means of entertainment. If more younger people are enticed to watch baseball games, perhaps the advertisers will follow.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on March 06, 2023, 08:49:30 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on March 06, 2023, 08:49:30 AM
Quote from: Dellbeam on March 05, 2023, 09:26:47 PMI remember hearing a story about a game he was scheduled to pitch but couldn't pitch that night because of a shoulder injury. There were 50,000 people at Tiger Stadium there to watch The Bird. The PA announcer came on and said, "Mark Fidrych is unable to start, tonight's starting pitcher will be Jack Morris." 50,000 people stood up and booed.Quote from: amroad17 on February 14, 2023, 02:34:19 AMQuote from: Flint1979 on February 13, 2023, 08:08:54 PMThe best times for Tiger Stadium that I saw on TV were in 1976 and 1984.Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2023, 07:47:37 PMI hear ya. I still to this day would have loved to see the Tigers remain there but Tiger Stadium was pretty outdated. For years after it closed I would always drive past it whenever I went to Detroit. Always loved coming around the curve on I-75 to see the massive light towers on the stadium up ahead. I couldn't tell you how many times I walked across that pedestrian bridge over I-75 at Cochrane Street I walked over that thing and back today just for old times.Quote from: Flint1979 on February 13, 2023, 07:37:14 PM
Even though I'm not a Tigers fan I know a lot about that franchise growing up with them over the years and rooting for them from time to time but one thing I always liked seeing is how a ballpark looks after the team has closed the place up and no longer plays there. Michigan and Trumbull is the Tigers real home to me I watched a lot of ballgames at Tiger Stadium. I was in Detroit earlier today and walked around Corktown. Tiger Stadium's site is built up now and Corktown seems to be heading in the right direction. This Google Satelite view shows the field where the Tigers once played. https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3325177,-83.068774,286m/data=!3m1!1e3
It made me happy to see at least the field saved. Back during 2015 I went to visit the site and there was kids from the local neighborhood using the field as park. Someone had been taking the effort to keep the field mowed and looking somewhat presentable, sure wasn't the city at the time.
1976 was the year of Mark "The Bird" Fidrych. He was someone to watch--talking to the baseball (himself, actually), patting down the mound, and jumping around all over the field, congratulating teammates on good plays. His coming out party was when the Tigers beat the eventual American League Champion New York Yankees 5-1 on Monday Night Baseball that season with Fidrych pitching a complete game in 1:51 (hardly ever going to see that again). The Tiger fans would not leave until he came back out for a post-game curtain call, which he did--in his socks! :-D. He sold out stadiums that summer on his way to being the American League Rookie of the Year and a start in that year's All-Star Game. He ended up going 19-9, pitching 24 complete games in 29 starts (had 31 appearances that season), 250 IP with 217 hits allowed, 53 walks and 97 K's, a WHIP of 1.079, and led the AL in ERA at 2.34, beating out Vida Blue of Oakland at 2.35. He finished 2nd in the Cy Young Award voting to Jim Palmer of the Baltimore Orioles (I believe he should have won it). I still have fond memories of him and that season.
1984 was the Year of the Tiger in which the team won the World Series over the San Diego Padres 4 games to 1, with Kirk Gibson hitting that mammoth home run of Rich "Goose" Gossage in Game 5 to seal the deal. They started 35-5 and finished at 104-58, easily winning the AL East by 15 games over Toronto. They also had the AL MVP and Cy Young Award winner in Willie Hernandez, who went 9-3 with 32 saves and a 1.92 ERA. Another rocking year.
It is good to hear that the area is not in any disarray.
If The Bird didn't have a catastrophic injury during the 1977 regular season, he might've been a really good pitcher (though probably not as good to reach the HOF). He definitely was one of those players that exceeded the popularity outside of sports fandom, where he even had a cover on the Rolling Stones magazine one time. Though the Tigers in the 80s had a better team, for the most part.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 06, 2023, 11:18:05 AM
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 06, 2023, 11:18:05 AM
Much of everything written below doesn't agree with reality: https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/misc.shtml
In fact, most of what people are complaining about wouldn't be an issue if they didn't promote the time clock. MLB has said the clock will probably not be as visible to the fans during the regular season, especially those watching on TV. During the first week or so of spring training, fans have notably not actually complained much about the length of the games. They're just complaining about the pitch time, especially in notable situations where it had a material effect on the game. Testing this during the pre-season is a very good thing, and adjustments can be made as a result. It's also notable that AAA Baseball had the clock during their games last year, in which nearly no 'fan of baseball' seemed to notice.
Commercial breaks were actually *reduced* in time beginning in the 2019 season from 2:25 to 2:05. 20 seconds per half inning, times about 17 breaks, is about 5 minutes that should be saved per game.
In fact, that clock has been in ALL ballparks since 2017 or 2018.
Do a sort on the link above for runs per game (R/G). Of the years where the average game time was tracked, The top 11 runs-per-game were all under 3 hours. 6 of those years are in modern TV times (since the 1990's).
Which is why they now have a rule to force a pitcher to throw to 3 batters (unless the inning ends, at which time the pitcher can be changed if he doesn't also start the next inning).
They also instituted a rule to limit mount visits to 1 per inning. A 2nd mound visit in the same inning results in a mandatory pitching change.
Advertising is rarely promoted in-between pitches. On occasion the TV broadcast will have an ad next to the on-screen imagery, whose time may be slightly reduced. But otherwise, while waiting for the batter and pitcher to reset, the TV cameras usually focus on closeups of the pitcher, batter, runner, fielder or coach, most of which don't display much or any advertising found throughout the ballpark.
I do think it's funny how people complain there's too much advertising at a game, but when they're complaining about the pitch clock, they use that advertising as a basis for why there shouldn't be a time clock.
See link above. Game times were much shorter in the past, which alludes to that generation enjoyed shorter games. I don't think there's any issues with companies not advertising due to game lengths, but maybe you have a trade publication story that shows this was a problem.
In fact, most of what people are complaining about wouldn't be an issue if they didn't promote the time clock. MLB has said the clock will probably not be as visible to the fans during the regular season, especially those watching on TV. During the first week or so of spring training, fans have notably not actually complained much about the length of the games. They're just complaining about the pitch time, especially in notable situations where it had a material effect on the game. Testing this during the pre-season is a very good thing, and adjustments can be made as a result. It's also notable that AAA Baseball had the clock during their games last year, in which nearly no 'fan of baseball' seemed to notice.
Quote from: amroad17 on March 05, 2023, 07:00:18 PM
Part of the reason the "time of game" has increased is the time allowed for commercials between innings and for pitching changes. With all MLB teams televising games today verses a select few in the 1970's and 1980's (Cubs, Braves, Mets, and Yankees to name some), more time is needed for advertising. Most areas just had the Saturday Game of the Week on NBC with Joe Garagiola and Tony Kubek and later (1976ish), Monday Night Baseball on ABC. I am not sure of what the time allotted for commercials was in the 1970's and 1980's (maybe 1:30?) but today I believe it is closer to 3 minutes.
Commercial breaks were actually *reduced* in time beginning in the 2019 season from 2:25 to 2:05. 20 seconds per half inning, times about 17 breaks, is about 5 minutes that should be saved per game.
Quote from: 1 on March 05, 2023, 07:05:41 PMQuote from: amroad17 on March 05, 2023, 07:00:18 PM
I have never seen a "countdown time clock" in any field/stadium that I have watched a game at. The only clock I have seen in the one displaying what time it is.
Fenway Park has a clock counting down to the end of the commercial breaks between innings and half-innings. It starts at 2:25.
In fact, that clock has been in ALL ballparks since 2017 or 2018.
Quote from: amroad17 on March 05, 2023, 07:00:18 PMHigher scoring games are going to take longer.
Do a sort on the link above for runs per game (R/G). Of the years where the average game time was tracked, The top 11 runs-per-game were all under 3 hours. 6 of those years are in modern TV times (since the 1990's).
Quote from: amroad17 on March 05, 2023, 07:00:18 PMMultiple pitching changes will make a game go longer.
Which is why they now have a rule to force a pitcher to throw to 3 batters (unless the inning ends, at which time the pitcher can be changed if he doesn't also start the next inning).
They also instituted a rule to limit mount visits to 1 per inning. A 2nd mound visit in the same inning results in a mandatory pitching change.
Quote from: amroad17 on March 05, 2023, 07:00:18 PM
Besides, wouldn't having a "pitch clock" (and to some extent, a "batter clock" since they have to be in the box before 0:08) be counterintuitive to generating more ad revenue if the desire is to shorten the games? :hmmm:
Advertising is rarely promoted in-between pitches. On occasion the TV broadcast will have an ad next to the on-screen imagery, whose time may be slightly reduced. But otherwise, while waiting for the batter and pitcher to reset, the TV cameras usually focus on closeups of the pitcher, batter, runner, fielder or coach, most of which don't display much or any advertising found throughout the ballpark.
I do think it's funny how people complain there's too much advertising at a game, but when they're complaining about the pitch clock, they use that advertising as a basis for why there shouldn't be a time clock.
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on March 06, 2023, 07:21:46 AM
MLB has decided that they need to appeal to the millennial generation and younger who have ever shortening attention spans and many other means of entertainment. If more younger people are enticed to watch baseball games, perhaps the advertisers will follow.
See link above. Game times were much shorter in the past, which alludes to that generation enjoyed shorter games. I don't think there's any issues with companies not advertising due to game lengths, but maybe you have a trade publication story that shows this was a problem.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on March 07, 2023, 07:19:40 PM
Post by: gr8daynegb on March 07, 2023, 07:19:40 PM
Will be interesting to see after first couple weeks once regular season starts how teams will handle this. Keep in mind too in the minors they are used to this so the rookie end of the spectrum has played a season/seasons with the new rules.
I'm curious if the Gallo shift with become the norm. I wish they didn't put shift rules in, if hitters would take the ball the other way defenses would play them more honestly. But not defenses have to pay for it because hitters aren't changing from the HR or bust approach of last 20 years.
I'm curious if the Gallo shift with become the norm. I wish they didn't put shift rules in, if hitters would take the ball the other way defenses would play them more honestly. But not defenses have to pay for it because hitters aren't changing from the HR or bust approach of last 20 years.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on March 08, 2023, 11:06:53 AM
Post by: triplemultiplex on March 08, 2023, 11:06:53 AM
It's been maddening for me how players don't just bunt themselves a few base hits and cure defenses of shifting on them. I don't care if you're a big ass dude with no wheels, if you bunt it past the pitcher when the infield is shifted, you're getting on base. I thought the whole point of this analytics wizardry in baseball is that a base runner is a base runner is a base runner. You don't care how the batter gets on base, you just want him there. More base runners = more runs.
The best part is, it's not like you have to spend the rest of your career bunting. A handful of bunt hits and the metrics will skew away from the defense shifting and your traditional hitting lanes reopen.
But no, instead they gotta make a new rule because hitters are babies and the fans are impatient little whiners.
God I can't wait for the opener... :P
The best part is, it's not like you have to spend the rest of your career bunting. A handful of bunt hits and the metrics will skew away from the defense shifting and your traditional hitting lanes reopen.
But no, instead they gotta make a new rule because hitters are babies and the fans are impatient little whiners.
God I can't wait for the opener... :P
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: amroad17 on March 12, 2023, 07:31:32 AM
Post by: amroad17 on March 12, 2023, 07:31:32 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on March 08, 2023, 11:06:53 AMA lot of the reason hitters (especially power hitters) don't bunt for base hits or hit opposite the shift for base hits with a shift on is EGO! They believe fans expect to see them hit a home run, so they try to deliver that instead of getting on base and possibly starting a good run-scoring inning. So, in many instances, the hitters will either ground out into the shift or strike out (rant about that mentioned quite a few posts back). Like triplemultiplex mentioned above, if these hitters would bunt or hit away from the shift, teams would have to employ the more traditional infield set-up and, with it, the hitting lanes open up. Maybe then league batting averages would be around .260-.265 instead of the low .240's that have been attained the last few years.
It's been maddening for me how players don't just bunt themselves a few base hits and cure defenses of shifting on them. I don't care if you're a big ass dude with no wheels, if you bunt it past the pitcher when the infield is shifted, you're getting on base. I thought the whole point of this analytics wizardry in baseball is that a base runner is a base runner is a base runner. You don't care how the batter gets on base, you just want him there. More base runners = more runs.
The best part is, it's not like you have to spend the rest of your career bunting. A handful of bunt hits and the metrics will skew away from the defense shifting and your traditional hitting lanes reopen.
But no, instead they gotta make a new rule because hitters are babies and the fans are impatient little whiners.
God I can't wait for the opener... :P
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on March 12, 2023, 10:17:00 AM
Post by: Takumi on March 12, 2023, 10:17:00 AM
Been following the World Baseball Classic all week. It's been a fun watch, seeing all the passion the Asian and Latin American fans show for their teams at pretty much all times. Quite the contrast to the US-Britain game, which was much more subdued.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ilpt4u on March 12, 2023, 10:52:45 AM
Post by: ilpt4u on March 12, 2023, 10:52:45 AM
Quote from: Takumi on March 12, 2023, 10:17:00 AMGroup A, played in Taiwan, All 5 teams finished .500 @2-2. By the 2nd tie-breaker, Cuba and Italy advance to the next round in Tokyo
Been following the World Baseball Classic all week. It's been a fun watch, seeing all the passion the Asian and Latin American fans show for their teams at pretty much all times. Quite the contrast to the US-Britain game, which was much more subdued.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gonealookin on March 13, 2023, 09:45:44 PM
Post by: gonealookin on March 13, 2023, 09:45:44 PM
Quote from: Takumi on March 12, 2023, 10:17:00 AM
Been following the World Baseball Classic all week. It's been a fun watch, seeing all the passion the Asian and Latin American fans show for their teams at pretty much all times. Quite the contrast to the US-Britain game, which was much more subdued.
Puerto Rico's pitchers didn't allow a baserunner through 8 innings in the game vs. Israel tonight, 24 up and 24 down. But Puerto Rico scored its 10th run in the bottom of the 8th and the game ended on the mercy rule due to the 10-0 score. So I don't think that's an official perfect game, because it did not go the full nine innings.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on March 14, 2023, 11:53:31 PM
Post by: Takumi on March 14, 2023, 11:53:31 PM
The quarterfinals start tomorrow, with Australia vs. Cuba. Japan will play Italy, and Venezuela has also advanced due to being the sole undefeated team left in its group.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on March 21, 2023, 10:52:35 PM
Post by: Takumi on March 21, 2023, 10:52:35 PM
Japan beat the US to win the World Baseball Classic.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on March 21, 2023, 11:21:23 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on March 21, 2023, 11:21:23 PM
Ohtani struck out Trout to win the game. If this was a movie it would be called too good to be true.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on March 22, 2023, 05:12:58 AM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on March 22, 2023, 05:12:58 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 21, 2023, 11:21:23 PM
Ohtani struck out Trout to win the game. If this was a movie it would be called too good to be true.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the LA Angels clubhouse this year.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on March 22, 2023, 05:27:10 AM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on March 22, 2023, 05:27:10 AM
The World Baseball Classic (WBC) seems to have gotten more media attention this year than in years past. It gets rave reviews. I wonder if it was held at a different time of year, like a mid-season tournament, would generate even more buzz anf viewership.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 22, 2023, 06:59:43 AM
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 22, 2023, 06:59:43 AM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on March 22, 2023, 05:27:10 AM
The World Baseball Classic (WBC) seems to have gotten more media attention this year than in years past. It gets rave reviews. I wonder if it was held at a different time of year, like a mid-season tournament, would generate even more buzz anf viewership.
Although the injures seemed to help carry the headlines.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on March 22, 2023, 10:27:53 PM
Post by: Henry on March 22, 2023, 10:27:53 PM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on March 22, 2023, 05:12:58 AMThey're probably going to make this a big storyline in Anaheim all season long, and Opening Day is still weeks away. And the fact that one Angel struck out another in the championship game is truly surreal.Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 21, 2023, 11:21:23 PM
Ohtani struck out Trout to win the game. If this was a movie it would be called too good to be true.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the LA Angels clubhouse this year.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on March 22, 2023, 11:39:36 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on March 22, 2023, 11:39:36 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 22, 2023, 06:59:43 AM
Although the injures seemed to help carry the headlines.
Yeah but those injuries could have just as easily taken place during spring training games. So to me, that's a red herring. Altuve could have just as easily smashed a finger in Arizona.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on March 23, 2023, 05:15:10 AM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on March 23, 2023, 05:15:10 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 22, 2023, 06:59:43 AMQuote from: Ted$8roadFan on March 22, 2023, 05:27:10 AM
The World Baseball Classic (WBC) seems to have gotten more media attention this year than in years past. It gets rave reviews. I wonder if it was held at a different time of year, like a mid-season tournament, would generate even more buzz anf viewership.
Although the injures seemed to help carry the headlines.
That leads me back to the timing question. Because we're still in spring training and the MLB season doesn't begin until next week, I would guess that most players aren't in game shape yet, where they presumably would be mid-season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: epzik8 on March 24, 2023, 03:41:42 PM
Post by: epzik8 on March 24, 2023, 03:41:42 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on March 22, 2023, 11:39:36 PMQuote from: jeffandnicole on March 22, 2023, 06:59:43 AM
Although the injures seemed to help carry the headlines.
Yeah but those injuries could have just as easily taken place during spring training games. So to me, that's a red herring. Altuve could have just as easily smashed a finger in Arizona.
Looks like this was a bad omen for the Phillies yesterday.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SectorZ on March 25, 2023, 09:27:01 PM
Post by: SectorZ on March 25, 2023, 09:27:01 PM
I'm really digging the pitch clock by this point. Rays/Sox played an 8.5 inning game today, 4-2 Rays, took 2:06.
Even last night, a 9-8 Sox/Braves game with a bottom 9th walk off was barely over 3 hrs, and that was with Kenley Jansen leaving due to injury in the 9th and needing a cold reliever to take over.
Even last night, a 9-8 Sox/Braves game with a bottom 9th walk off was barely over 3 hrs, and that was with Kenley Jansen leaving due to injury in the 9th and needing a cold reliever to take over.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on March 29, 2023, 10:21:08 PM
Post by: Henry on March 29, 2023, 10:21:08 PM
Opening Day is tomorrow!
My Cubs will be at home hosting the Brewers, their neighbors up I-94.
My Cubs will be at home hosting the Brewers, their neighbors up I-94.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hunty2022 on March 29, 2023, 10:27:42 PM
Post by: Hunty2022 on March 29, 2023, 10:27:42 PM
My Astros will be getting a visit from the White Sox, attempting to keep their Opening Day win streak alive.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tchafe1978 on March 30, 2023, 12:10:24 AM
Post by: tchafe1978 on March 30, 2023, 12:10:24 AM
Quote from: Henry on March 29, 2023, 10:21:08 PM
Opening Day is tomorrow!
My Cubs will be at home hosting the Brewers, their neighbors up I-94.
Hopefully the weather allows them to play. Go Brewers!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on March 30, 2023, 05:22:51 AM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on March 30, 2023, 05:22:51 AM
It's opening day in Boston, and it will be a sunny, blustery, late winter day for the Red Sox-Orioles. At least there's no snow in the forecast.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: zzcarp on March 30, 2023, 11:26:33 AM
Post by: zzcarp on March 30, 2023, 11:26:33 AM
My Guardians née Indians start their defense of last year's AL Central title with a night game in Seattle. First pitch is at 7:10 PDT which is a tolerable if late start for me living in Denver but that's a 10:10 first pitch for the local Cleveland fans, ensuring that few if any kids will be able to watch the game and that adults who work will likely be asleep well before the 7th inning stretch.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Roadgeekteen on March 30, 2023, 03:03:40 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on March 30, 2023, 03:03:40 PM
Opening day today. I don't normally pay attention to the sport until September, but maybe with the pitch clock I will watch more games this year.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Dellbeam on March 30, 2023, 04:32:57 PM
Post by: Dellbeam on March 30, 2023, 04:32:57 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 30, 2023, 03:03:40 PM
Opening day today. I don't normally pay attention to the sport until September, but maybe with the pitch clock I will watch more games this year.
I gotta say, I was impressed with how fast the games went today. I watched the Giants-Yankees game earlier and they were already done with the game by a couple hours. I don't like how Manfred runs MLB, but I think I'll give him credit for suggesting this to the league.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on March 30, 2023, 04:57:59 PM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on March 30, 2023, 04:57:59 PM
I was only able to watch what will likely become another loss for the Red Sox (sigh), but I, too was impressed at how the pace of play has picked up. Right now it is the bottom of the 8th inning, and the game has only been going on since 2:10 PM.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SectorZ on March 30, 2023, 06:39:37 PM
Post by: SectorZ on March 30, 2023, 06:39:37 PM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on March 30, 2023, 04:57:59 PM
I was only able to watch what will likely become another loss for the Red Sox (sigh), but I, too was impressed at how the pace of play has picked up. Right now it is the bottom of the 8th inning, and the game has only been going on since 2:10 PM.
3:10 time for a game with 19 runs, 27 hits, and the Sox walking double digit Orioles, this would have been 4+ hours in the old days.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on March 31, 2023, 11:53:39 PM
Post by: Henry on March 31, 2023, 11:53:39 PM
The Cubs start the season off on the right foot, winning their opener against the Brewers. Probably not going to get too many more of those, but you never know.
That pitch clock is one of the best things that the sport could ever come up with; makes the game go much faster, and allows for much smoother action.
That pitch clock is one of the best things that the sport could ever come up with; makes the game go much faster, and allows for much smoother action.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on April 25, 2023, 09:38:02 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on April 25, 2023, 09:38:02 AM
I'm tired of giving my money to people that aren't going to do anything to put a winning product on the field. What would be real nice if people supported this and didn't give Jerry Reinsdorf anymore money. I find it ridiculous that this guy doesn't have a clue and continues to put crap on the field. About 6-7 years ago when they traded Sale and everyone they claimed they were rebuilding, if this is the final result of that rebuild than they failed just like they have every year except for 2005. I don't understand why Jerry Reinsdorf even owns a sports franchise let alone two of them. He is the most anti fan friendly owner in the game.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on April 25, 2023, 09:40:55 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on April 25, 2023, 09:40:55 AM
And on top of all that I just said the White Sox play in the worst division in MLB and still can't win. And when you haven't even won a series yet this year that's just a recipe for a last place finish.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on April 25, 2023, 09:45:40 AM
Post by: hotdogPi on April 25, 2023, 09:45:40 AM
Compared to the NHL, NFL, and NBA, individual MLB games are less lopsided as to winning percentage. Even the worst team against the best team still has a 25% chance or so of winning any one particular game, and the worst team against the median team is in the 30s.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on April 25, 2023, 10:28:07 AM
Post by: ET21 on April 25, 2023, 10:28:07 AM
White Sox are straight garbage
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on April 25, 2023, 02:42:00 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on April 25, 2023, 02:42:00 PM
Quote from: ET21 on April 25, 2023, 10:28:07 AMI wish I could say differently but you got that right.
White Sox are straight garbage
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on April 25, 2023, 02:46:20 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on April 25, 2023, 02:46:20 PM
Quote from: 1 on April 25, 2023, 09:45:40 AMThere's a little margin for error in baseball though because they play 162 games it's a marathon they call it so it's a little room for failure but not much I mean you don't want to get into the middle of May and be 10 games out. Not too many teams will overcome a 14 game deficit at the all star break like the 1978 Yankees did and I've seen teams that have been like 10 games under .500 in May win the World Series before or at least appear in the World Series.
Compared to the NHL, NFL, and NBA, individual MLB games are less lopsided as to winning percentage. Even the worst team against the best team still has a 25% chance or so of winning any one particular game, and the worst team against the median team is in the 30s.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: brad2971 on May 30, 2023, 11:46:18 PM
Post by: brad2971 on May 30, 2023, 11:46:18 PM
And so the centralization of MLB's TV product distribution begins: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/37762861/diamond-sports-group-fails-pay-padres-loses-broadcast-rights
The D-Backs, Reds, Guardians, and Rangers are only a few weeks away from similar arrangements. And if NBC's regional sports networks have a corporate structure similar to ATT regional sports that have already announced they are getting out of the regional sports business (Rockies, Astros, Pirates, and other NBA/NHL teams), this will likely be the last year the White Sox, Phillies, Giants, and A's are on those NBC regional sports networks.
The D-Backs, Reds, Guardians, and Rangers are only a few weeks away from similar arrangements. And if NBC's regional sports networks have a corporate structure similar to ATT regional sports that have already announced they are getting out of the regional sports business (Rockies, Astros, Pirates, and other NBA/NHL teams), this will likely be the last year the White Sox, Phillies, Giants, and A's are on those NBC regional sports networks.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: brad2971 on May 30, 2023, 11:48:33 PM
Post by: brad2971 on May 30, 2023, 11:48:33 PM
Quote from: 1 on April 25, 2023, 09:45:40 AM
Compared to the NHL, NFL, and NBA, individual MLB games are less lopsided as to winning percentage. Even the worst team against the best team still has a 25% chance or so of winning any one particular game, and the worst team against the median team is in the 30s.
The Oakland A's are playing .200 ball right now. UPDATE: The A's just won and are now above .200 with a series win against the Atlanta Braves (!!!).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 31, 2023, 07:13:11 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 31, 2023, 07:13:11 AM
Quote from: brad2971 on May 30, 2023, 11:46:18 PM
And so the centralization of MLB's TV product distribution begins: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/37762861/diamond-sports-group-fails-pay-padres-loses-broadcast-rights
The D-Backs, Reds, Guardians, and Rangers are only a few weeks away from similar arrangements. And if NBC's regional sports networks have a corporate structure similar to ATT regional sports that have already announced they are getting out of the regional sports business (Rockies, Astros, Pirates, and other NBA/NHL teams), this will likely be the last year the White Sox, Phillies, Giants, and A's are on those NBC regional sports networks.
White Sox (and Bulls) already positioning themselves for after their NBC contract ends after the 2024 season.
https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-white-sox/uh-oh-jerry-reinsdorf-is-making-moves-fans-may-not-like/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CoreySamson on June 11, 2023, 09:59:26 PM
Post by: CoreySamson on June 11, 2023, 09:59:26 PM
ORU Baseball has clinched a spot in the College World Series for the first time since 1978!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on June 15, 2023, 01:01:00 AM
Post by: Henry on June 15, 2023, 01:01:00 AM
Bring on the grudge match! With the Nuggets defeating the Heat in the NBA Finals, there'll be lots of Marlins fans looking for revenge against the Rockies when they play in Miami next month. As someone else mentioned, the Rockies won three out of four in Denver, so there's even more reason for something like this to happen. That the Finals occurred during the 30th anniversaries of both MLB franchises is both awesome and surreal.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on June 15, 2023, 11:18:04 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on June 15, 2023, 11:18:04 AM
Quote from: Henry on June 15, 2023, 01:01:00 AMA lot of Marlins fans? They rank dead last in the NL in attendance. They only average about 10,000 people per game I doubt anyone is going to care about the Marlins playing the Rockies.
Bring on the grudge match! With the Nuggets defeating the Heat in the NBA Finals, there'll be lots of Marlins fans looking for revenge against the Rockies when they play in Miami next month. As someone else mentioned, the Rockies won three out of four in Denver, so there's even more reason for something like this to happen. That the Finals occurred during the 30th anniversaries of both MLB franchises is both awesome and surreal.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gonealookin on June 15, 2023, 10:56:28 PM
Post by: gonealookin on June 15, 2023, 10:56:28 PM
Everybody knows the A's are terrible. Their loss today dropped their record to 19-52. They are going back and forth with the Kansas City Royals for worst record in the major leagues. The Royals are 18-50, which is 32 games under .500 vs. the A's 33 games under, but with three more games played the A's actually have a higher less low winning percentage, .268 to .265.
However...
The A's got 5 hits in today's game, which extends their streak of not being no-hit to exactly 5,000 consecutive games. The last no-hitter pitched against them was on July 13, 1991. It's the longest current streak in major league baseball. The Washington Nationals, then the Montreal Expos, and the Los Angeles (then Anaheim) Angels were both no-hit most recently in 1999, and every other team has been no-hit no further back than 2008.
The all-time record is held by (you probably would not guess) the Chicago Cubs, who went from September 9, 1965 (a Sandy Koufax perfect game) to July 25, 2015 (Cole Hamels of the Phillies) without being no-hit, a streak of 7,920 consecutive games. The A's would need a little more than 18 more full seasons without being no-hit to tie the Cubs, so that would probably be the Las Vegas A's doing it in 2041.
However...
The A's got 5 hits in today's game, which extends their streak of not being no-hit to exactly 5,000 consecutive games. The last no-hitter pitched against them was on July 13, 1991. It's the longest current streak in major league baseball. The Washington Nationals, then the Montreal Expos, and the Los Angeles (then Anaheim) Angels were both no-hit most recently in 1999, and every other team has been no-hit no further back than 2008.
The all-time record is held by (you probably would not guess) the Chicago Cubs, who went from September 9, 1965 (a Sandy Koufax perfect game) to July 25, 2015 (Cole Hamels of the Phillies) without being no-hit, a streak of 7,920 consecutive games. The A's would need a little more than 18 more full seasons without being no-hit to tie the Cubs, so that would probably be the Las Vegas A's doing it in 2041.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: epzik8 on June 17, 2023, 08:14:02 PM
Post by: epzik8 on June 17, 2023, 08:14:02 PM
Elly De La Cruz is definitely doing wonders for Cincinnati.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: CtrlAltDel on June 24, 2023, 08:43:37 PM
Post by: CtrlAltDel on June 24, 2023, 08:43:37 PM
Cubs win in London against Saint Louis.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hunty2022 on June 25, 2023, 09:33:49 AM
Post by: Hunty2022 on June 25, 2023, 09:33:49 AM
The Angels scored 25 runs against the Rockies last night, setting a franchise record for most runs scored in a game.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: epzik8 on June 25, 2023, 03:23:50 PM
Post by: epzik8 on June 25, 2023, 03:23:50 PM
Quote from: Hunty2022 on June 25, 2023, 09:33:49 AM
The Angels scored 25 runs against the Rockies last night, setting a franchise record for most runs scored in a game.
Finally they avoided a Twitter tungsten game...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on June 25, 2023, 07:27:45 PM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on June 25, 2023, 07:27:45 PM
I wonder if Colorado still allows the use of paper bags, because Rockies fans may want them.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on June 25, 2023, 07:32:30 PM
Post by: Big John on June 25, 2023, 07:32:30 PM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on June 25, 2023, 07:27:45 PMSeveral states have banned plastic bags, but not paper bags.
I wonder if Colorado still allows the use of paper bags, because Rockies fans may want them.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on June 26, 2023, 12:51:12 AM
Post by: Takumi on June 26, 2023, 12:51:12 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on June 25, 2023, 03:23:50 PMQuote from: Hunty2022 on June 25, 2023, 09:33:49 AM
The Angels scored 25 runs against the Rockies last night, setting a franchise record for most runs scored in a game.
Finally they avoided a Twitter tungsten game...
It was a reverse tungsten game. Trout was taken out early and Ohtani went 1-7 with 2 strikeouts.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gonealookin on June 29, 2023, 12:14:53 AM
Post by: gonealookin on June 29, 2023, 12:14:53 AM
Quote from: gonealookin on June 15, 2023, 10:56:28 PM
The A's got 5 hits in today's game, which extends their streak of not being no-hit to exactly 5,000 consecutive games. The last no-hitter pitched against them was on July 13, 1991. It's the longest current streak in major league baseball. The Washington Nationals, then the Montreal Expos, and the Los Angeles (then Anaheim) Angels were both no-hit most recently in 1999, and every other team has been no-hit no further back than 2008.
The all-time record is held by (you probably would not guess) the Chicago Cubs, who went from September 9, 1965 (a Sandy Koufax perfect game) to July 25, 2015 (Cole Hamels of the Phillies) without being no-hit, a streak of 7,920 consecutive games. The A's would need a little more than 18 more full seasons without being no-hit to tie the Cubs, so that would probably be the Las Vegas A's doing it in 2041.
And the A's streak ends at 5,010 games, on Domingo German's perfect game.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: therocket on June 29, 2023, 02:08:06 AM
Post by: therocket on June 29, 2023, 02:08:06 AM
Quote from: gonealookin on June 29, 2023, 12:14:53 AMnooooo why did it have to be himQuote from: gonealookin on June 15, 2023, 10:56:28 PM
The A's got 5 hits in today's game, which extends their streak of not being no-hit to exactly 5,000 consecutive games. The last no-hitter pitched against them was on July 13, 1991. It's the longest current streak in major league baseball. The Washington Nationals, then the Montreal Expos, and the Los Angeles (then Anaheim) Angels were both no-hit most recently in 1999, and every other team has been no-hit no further back than 2008.
The all-time record is held by (you probably would not guess) the Chicago Cubs, who went from September 9, 1965 (a Sandy Koufax perfect game) to July 25, 2015 (Cole Hamels of the Phillies) without being no-hit, a streak of 7,920 consecutive games. The A's would need a little more than 18 more full seasons without being no-hit to tie the Cubs, so that would probably be the Las Vegas A's doing it in 2041.
And the A's streak ends at 5,010 games, on Domingo German's perfect game.
he's like the worst guy to have thrown a perfect game
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gonealookin on June 29, 2023, 01:03:01 PM
Post by: gonealookin on June 29, 2023, 01:03:01 PM
Quote from: therocket on June 29, 2023, 02:08:06 AMQuote from: gonealookin on June 29, 2023, 12:14:53 AMnooooo why did it have to be himQuote from: gonealookin on June 15, 2023, 10:56:28 PM
The A's got 5 hits in today's game, which extends their streak of not being no-hit to exactly 5,000 consecutive games. The last no-hitter pitched against them was on July 13, 1991. It's the longest current streak in major league baseball. The Washington Nationals, then the Montreal Expos, and the Los Angeles (then Anaheim) Angels were both no-hit most recently in 1999, and every other team has been no-hit no further back than 2008.
The all-time record is held by (you probably would not guess) the Chicago Cubs, who went from September 9, 1965 (a Sandy Koufax perfect game) to July 25, 2015 (Cole Hamels of the Phillies) without being no-hit, a streak of 7,920 consecutive games. The A's would need a little more than 18 more full seasons without being no-hit to tie the Cubs, so that would probably be the Las Vegas A's doing it in 2041.
And the A's streak ends at 5,010 games, on Domingo German's perfect game.
he's like the worst guy to have thrown a perfect game
Philip Humber, who threw a perfect game in 2012 while pitching for the White Sox against the Mariners, takes umbrage at your suggestion that Domingo German might be "the worst guy to have thrown a perfect game". Humber finished his career with a 16-23 W-L record, 5.31 ERA and 0.9 career WAR.
German currently stands at 31-26, 4.40 and 4.1 WAR.
Dallas Braden, who was in the TV booth on the A's telecast last night and pitched a perfect game against Tampa Bay in Oakland in 2010, wasn't that much better (26-36, 4.16, 5.0 WAR).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on June 29, 2023, 02:11:31 PM
Post by: mgk920 on June 29, 2023, 02:11:31 PM
Don Larsen wasn't baseball's most stellar pitcher, either, when he threw his perfect game in the 1956 World Series.
Mike
Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on June 29, 2023, 04:35:58 PM
Post by: Takumi on June 29, 2023, 04:35:58 PM
There's a different kind of worst (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28410913/yankees-domingo-german-gets-81-game-ban-violating-domestic-violence-policy) that I think therocket is talking about, as are many others.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on June 29, 2023, 07:21:34 PM
Post by: Alps on June 29, 2023, 07:21:34 PM
Quote from: gonealookin on June 29, 2023, 12:14:53 AMFirst in 11 years. Notable feat for the sport of baseball.Quote from: gonealookin on June 15, 2023, 10:56:28 PM
The A's got 5 hits in today's game, which extends their streak of not being no-hit to exactly 5,000 consecutive games. The last no-hitter pitched against them was on July 13, 1991. It's the longest current streak in major league baseball. The Washington Nationals, then the Montreal Expos, and the Los Angeles (then Anaheim) Angels were both no-hit most recently in 1999, and every other team has been no-hit no further back than 2008.
The all-time record is held by (you probably would not guess) the Chicago Cubs, who went from September 9, 1965 (a Sandy Koufax perfect game) to July 25, 2015 (Cole Hamels of the Phillies) without being no-hit, a streak of 7,920 consecutive games. The A's would need a little more than 18 more full seasons without being no-hit to tie the Cubs, so that would probably be the Las Vegas A's doing it in 2041.
And the A's streak ends at 5,010 games, on Domingo German's perfect game.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on June 29, 2023, 08:47:16 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on June 29, 2023, 08:47:16 PM
Quote from: gonealookin on June 29, 2023, 01:03:01 PMQuote from: therocket on June 29, 2023, 02:08:06 AMQuote from: gonealookin on June 29, 2023, 12:14:53 AMnooooo why did it have to be himQuote from: gonealookin on June 15, 2023, 10:56:28 PM
The A's got 5 hits in today's game, which extends their streak of not being no-hit to exactly 5,000 consecutive games. The last no-hitter pitched against them was on July 13, 1991. It's the longest current streak in major league baseball. The Washington Nationals, then the Montreal Expos, and the Los Angeles (then Anaheim) Angels were both no-hit most recently in 1999, and every other team has been no-hit no further back than 2008.
The all-time record is held by (you probably would not guess) the Chicago Cubs, who went from September 9, 1965 (a Sandy Koufax perfect game) to July 25, 2015 (Cole Hamels of the Phillies) without being no-hit, a streak of 7,920 consecutive games. The A's would need a little more than 18 more full seasons without being no-hit to tie the Cubs, so that would probably be the Las Vegas A's doing it in 2041.
And the A's streak ends at 5,010 games, on Domingo German's perfect game.
he's like the worst guy to have thrown a perfect game
Philip Humber, who threw a perfect game in 2012 while pitching for the White Sox against the Mariners, takes umbrage at your suggestion that Domingo German might be "the worst guy to have thrown a perfect game". Humber finished his career with a 16-23 W-L record, 5.31 ERA and 0.9 career WAR.
German currently stands at 31-26, 4.40 and 4.1 WAR.
Dallas Braden, who was in the TV booth on the A's telecast last night and pitched a perfect game against Tampa Bay in Oakland in 2010, wasn't that much better (26-36, 4.16, 5.0 WAR).
Speaking of both Humber and German, German's perfect game was the Yankees fourth, pulling them one ahead of the White Sox.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Bruce on July 05, 2023, 09:06:57 PM
Post by: Bruce on July 05, 2023, 09:06:57 PM
Seattle has been preparing for the All-Star Game with some new announcements, namely free transit on July 9 and 10 and extra trips to accommodate crowds.
Also, the monorail columns got painted: https://visitseattle.org/mlb-all-star/all-star-art-installation/
Also, the monorail columns got painted: https://visitseattle.org/mlb-all-star/all-star-art-installation/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 05, 2023, 09:57:34 PM
Post by: Henry on July 05, 2023, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from: Bruce on July 05, 2023, 09:06:57 PMJust saw the new monorail decorations, and love them! Great way to remind fans of the upcoming Midsummer Classic.
Seattle has been preparing for the All-Star Game with some new announcements, namely free transit on July 9 and 10 and extra trips to accommodate crowds.
Also, the monorail columns got painted: https://visitseattle.org/mlb-all-star/all-star-art-installation/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Bruce on July 07, 2023, 12:55:07 AM
Post by: Bruce on July 07, 2023, 12:55:07 AM
Incredibly strange to see Lumen Field playing host to baseball things, but whatever goes:
https://twitter.com/CFrancisKIRO7/status/1677024977684684801
I've got tickets to go see the happenings at the fan festival. If anyone else wants to go, I can provide a code to make the ticket free.
https://twitter.com/CFrancisKIRO7/status/1677024977684684801
I've got tickets to go see the happenings at the fan festival. If anyone else wants to go, I can provide a code to make the ticket free.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on July 11, 2023, 11:31:54 PM
Post by: Henry on July 11, 2023, 11:31:54 PM
IT'S OVER!!! The last time the NL won the All-Star Game was back in 2012, and now they've ended that skid, thanks to a go-ahead HR by Elias Diaz of the Rockies (go figure).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: epzik8 on July 12, 2023, 03:48:22 PM
Post by: epzik8 on July 12, 2023, 03:48:22 PM
Quote from: Henry on July 11, 2023, 11:31:54 PM
IT'S OVER!!! The last time the NL won the All-Star Game was back in 2012, and now they've ended that skid, thanks to a go-ahead HR by Elias Diaz of the Rockies (go figure).
I thought the AL would dominate it, so I'm happy the NL's drought ended.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on July 13, 2023, 12:27:17 PM
Post by: mgk920 on July 13, 2023, 12:27:17 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on July 12, 2023, 03:48:22 PMQuote from: Henry on July 11, 2023, 11:31:54 PM
IT'S OVER!!! The last time the NL won the All-Star Game was back in 2012, and now they've ended that skid, thanks to a go-ahead HR by Elias Diaz of the Rockies (go figure).
I thought the AL would dominate it, so I'm happy the NL's drought ended.
I still kind of miss the winner of the ASG having 'home field' in the World Series. It gave them something to play for.
Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gr8daynegb on July 25, 2023, 10:41:37 AM
Post by: gr8daynegb on July 25, 2023, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 13, 2023, 12:27:17 PMQuote from: epzik8 on July 12, 2023, 03:48:22 PMQuote from: Henry on July 11, 2023, 11:31:54 PM
IT'S OVER!!! The last time the NL won the All-Star Game was back in 2012, and now they've ended that skid, thanks to a go-ahead HR by Elias Diaz of the Rockies (go figure).
I thought the AL would dominate it, so I'm happy the NL's drought ended.
I still kind of miss the winner of the ASG having 'home field' in the World Series. It gave them something to play for.
Mike
Will still take whatever version of the MLB all star game and festivities over the NBA, NHL, and NFL all star games/festivities despite the All Star game not feeling as special as was in the past.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on July 25, 2023, 12:01:34 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on July 25, 2023, 12:01:34 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 13, 2023, 12:27:17 PMIt's an exhibition game in the middle of the summer and it used to be cool to watch it but not really anymore. It was cool back before Interleague play where you didn't get to see the stars from the other league on a regular basis like you do now. Like if my team was in the AL they never played the NL so you never got to see the NL players unless it was the ASG or World Series which made it more meaningful.Quote from: epzik8 on July 12, 2023, 03:48:22 PMQuote from: Henry on July 11, 2023, 11:31:54 PM
IT'S OVER!!! The last time the NL won the All-Star Game was back in 2012, and now they've ended that skid, thanks to a go-ahead HR by Elias Diaz of the Rockies (go figure).
I thought the AL would dominate it, so I'm happy the NL's drought ended.
I still kind of miss the winner of the ASG having 'home field' in the World Series. It gave them something to play for.
Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hunty2022 on August 16, 2023, 10:59:32 PM
Post by: Hunty2022 on August 16, 2023, 10:59:32 PM
The New York Yankees now have a losing record. Many people thought they would win the division, they are last.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on August 17, 2023, 04:17:19 AM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on August 17, 2023, 04:17:19 AM
Quote from: Hunty2022 on August 16, 2023, 10:59:32 PM
The New York Yankees now have a losing record. Many people thought they would win the division, they are last.
They're in last place but somehow have a slightly better record than the Mets.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on August 17, 2023, 12:43:20 PM
Post by: mgk920 on August 17, 2023, 12:43:20 PM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on August 17, 2023, 04:17:19 AMQuote from: Hunty2022 on August 16, 2023, 10:59:32 PM
The New York Yankees now have a losing record. Many people thought they would win the division, they are last.
They're in last place but somehow have a slightly better record than the Mets.
Have they had a subway homestand yet this season?
Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on August 17, 2023, 12:47:21 PM
Post by: Big John on August 17, 2023, 12:47:21 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on August 17, 2023, 12:43:20 PMIn mid June and late July, home and home 2-game series.Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on August 17, 2023, 04:17:19 AMQuote from: Hunty2022 on August 16, 2023, 10:59:32 PM
The New York Yankees now have a losing record. Many people thought they would win the division, they are last.
They're in last place but somehow have a slightly better record than the Mets.
Have they had a subway homestand yet this season?
Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on August 17, 2023, 09:39:34 PM
Post by: Henry on August 17, 2023, 09:39:34 PM
While the Cubs aren't doing all that great (and in fact, most people predicted them to finish dead-last), at least they have a winning record, trail only the Brewers in the NL Central, and are miles better than the White Sox. I don't expect that hot streak to continue, but it would be great if they hung on for at least a wild-card berth.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on August 18, 2023, 10:47:07 AM
Post by: triplemultiplex on August 18, 2023, 10:47:07 AM
Ain't nobody going far in October from the NL Central, I predict. Just not enough offense to match the best teams in the league.
At least it's been fun watching Sal Frelick these last couple months; dude's a highlight machine. Welcome to The Show, Sal.
At least it's been fun watching Sal Frelick these last couple months; dude's a highlight machine. Welcome to The Show, Sal.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on August 18, 2023, 07:48:12 PM
Post by: Takumi on August 18, 2023, 07:48:12 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/7w7z2p.jpg)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Dough4872 on August 18, 2023, 08:47:56 PM
Post by: Dough4872 on August 18, 2023, 08:47:56 PM
Quote from: Takumi on August 18, 2023, 07:48:12 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/7w7z2p.jpg)
Lol never thought we would see this happen.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on August 18, 2023, 10:52:08 PM
Post by: Henry on August 18, 2023, 10:52:08 PM
Quote from: Dough4872 on August 18, 2023, 08:47:56 PMAnd over in Miami, they're saying "At least it's not going to be us!"Quote from: Takumi on August 18, 2023, 07:48:12 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/7w7z2p.jpg)
Lol never thought we would see this happen.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on August 18, 2023, 10:53:57 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on August 18, 2023, 10:53:57 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on August 18, 2023, 10:47:07 AMNobody in the AL Central even belongs in the postseason.
Ain't nobody going far in October from the NL Central, I predict. Just not enough offense to match the best teams in the league.
At least it's been fun watching Sal Frelick these last couple months; dude's a highlight machine. Welcome to The Show, Sal.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 22, 2023, 07:07:54 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 22, 2023, 07:07:54 PM
White Sox just fired executive VP Ken Williams and GM Rick Hahn.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on August 22, 2023, 10:13:01 PM
Post by: Henry on August 22, 2023, 10:13:01 PM
This upcoming offseason could be dominated by two-way threat Shohei Ohtani, and his next move in free agency. I know lots of teams will line up to sign him.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KeithE4Phx on August 23, 2023, 01:02:19 AM
Post by: KeithE4Phx on August 23, 2023, 01:02:19 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 22, 2023, 07:07:54 PM
White Sox just fired executive VP Ken Williams and GM Rick Hahn.
About five years too late. Jerry Reinsdorf should have fired himself at the same time.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on August 23, 2023, 12:41:09 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on August 23, 2023, 12:41:09 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 22, 2023, 07:07:54 PMAbout 15 years too late on Kenny, not sure about Hahn maybe now was the right time since the rebuild they were supposed to have failed.
White Sox just fired executive VP Ken Williams and GM Rick Hahn.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on August 23, 2023, 12:42:57 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on August 23, 2023, 12:42:57 PM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on August 23, 2023, 01:02:19 AMJerry Reinsdorf is guilty of being wayyyyyyyy too loyal to people that either have no idea what they are really doing or have failed at their job. It's hard to believe that he is just now getting rid of Kenny. Rick wasn't too bad but if they truly want to rebuild they need new people. Their managerial hire last offseason was a joke.Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 22, 2023, 07:07:54 PM
White Sox just fired executive VP Ken Williams and GM Rick Hahn.
About five years too late. Jerry Reinsdorf should have fired himself at the same time.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on August 24, 2023, 10:34:31 AM
Post by: Takumi on August 24, 2023, 10:34:31 AM
Quote from: Henry on August 22, 2023, 10:13:01 PM
This upcoming offseason could be dominated by two-way threat Shohei Ohtani, and his next move in free agency. I know lots of teams will line up to sign him.
This aged like milk.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on August 24, 2023, 06:16:29 PM
Post by: Alps on August 24, 2023, 06:16:29 PM
Quote from: Takumi on August 24, 2023, 10:34:31 AMdon't be cheesyQuote from: Henry on August 22, 2023, 10:13:01 PM
This upcoming offseason could be dominated by two-way threat Shohei Ohtani, and his next move in free agency. I know lots of teams will line up to sign him.
This aged like milk.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on August 24, 2023, 07:19:17 PM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on August 24, 2023, 07:19:17 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 23, 2023, 12:42:57 PMQuote from: KeithE4Phx on August 23, 2023, 01:02:19 AMJerry Reinsdorf is guilty of being wayyyyyyyy too loyal to people that either have no idea what they are really doing or have failed at their job. It's hard to believe that he is just now getting rid of Kenny. Rick wasn't too bad but if they truly want to rebuild they need new people. Their managerial hire last offseason was a joke.Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 22, 2023, 07:07:54 PM
White Sox just fired executive VP Ken Williams and GM Rick Hahn.
About five years too late. Jerry Reinsdorf should have fired himself at the same time.
And to top it off, he's actually considering moving the White Sox out of Chicago:
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/white-sox-considering-move-guaranteed-rate-field/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on August 24, 2023, 10:33:48 PM
Post by: Henry on August 24, 2023, 10:33:48 PM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on August 24, 2023, 07:19:17 PMWhoa! Say it ain't so, Joe...Quote from: Flint1979 on August 23, 2023, 12:42:57 PMQuote from: KeithE4Phx on August 23, 2023, 01:02:19 AMJerry Reinsdorf is guilty of being wayyyyyyyy too loyal to people that either have no idea what they are really doing or have failed at their job. It's hard to believe that he is just now getting rid of Kenny. Rick wasn't too bad but if they truly want to rebuild they need new people. Their managerial hire last offseason was a joke.Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 22, 2023, 07:07:54 PM
White Sox just fired executive VP Ken Williams and GM Rick Hahn.
About five years too late. Jerry Reinsdorf should have fired himself at the same time.
And to top it off, he's actually considering moving the White Sox out of Chicago:
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/white-sox-considering-move-guaranteed-rate-field/
The Cubs may be the bigger draw, but the White Sox are just as important to Chicago as the North Siders are. In an era where Philadelphia, Boston, St. Louis and even New York lost teams, Chicago was very fortunate to hold on to both of its teams, though the Sox have been linked to relocation rumors more than twice: Two decades before they flirted with Tampa Bay, a move to Milwaukee was proposed, until the bankrupt Seattle Pilots ended up there. That being said, I don't want the annual Crosstown Series to be a thing of the past.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 25, 2023, 07:17:04 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 25, 2023, 07:17:04 AM
Quote from: Henry on August 24, 2023, 10:33:48 PMQuote from: Ted$8roadFan on August 24, 2023, 07:19:17 PMWhoa! Say it ain't so, Joe...Quote from: Flint1979 on August 23, 2023, 12:42:57 PMQuote from: KeithE4Phx on August 23, 2023, 01:02:19 AMJerry Reinsdorf is guilty of being wayyyyyyyy too loyal to people that either have no idea what they are really doing or have failed at their job. It's hard to believe that he is just now getting rid of Kenny. Rick wasn't too bad but if they truly want to rebuild they need new people. Their managerial hire last offseason was a joke.Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 22, 2023, 07:07:54 PM
White Sox just fired executive VP Ken Williams and GM Rick Hahn.
About five years too late. Jerry Reinsdorf should have fired himself at the same time.
And to top it off, he's actually considering moving the White Sox out of Chicago:
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/white-sox-considering-move-guaranteed-rate-field/
The Cubs may be the bigger draw, but the White Sox are just as important to Chicago as the North Siders are. In an era where Philadelphia, Boston, St. Louis and even New York lost teams, Chicago was very fortunate to hold on to both of its teams, though the Sox have been linked to relocation rumors more than twice: Two decades before they flirted with Tampa Bay, a move to Milwaukee was proposed, until the bankrupt Seattle Pilots ended up there. That being said, I don't want the annual Crosstown Series to be a thing of the past.
Sox have one of the biggest TV contracts in MLB. They aren't moving out of the metro area. They could move to the suburbs, but no farther. Any words otherwise are simply attempts to extort stadium money from the city/state.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on August 25, 2023, 10:18:24 AM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on August 25, 2023, 10:18:24 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 25, 2023, 07:17:04 AM
Sox have one of the biggest TV contracts in MLB. They aren't moving out of the metro area. They could move to the suburbs, but no farther. Any words otherwise are simply attempts to extort stadium money from the city/state.
I wonder if that could include the suburbs in Northwest Indiana located south of Gary? Or they could still move to Aurora, Illinois where Wayne's World was set (but most of the film scenes was filmed around LA) (https://www.movie-locations.com/movies/w/Waynes-World.php)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 25, 2023, 10:55:37 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 25, 2023, 10:55:37 AM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on August 25, 2023, 10:18:24 AMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 25, 2023, 07:17:04 AM
Sox have one of the biggest TV contracts in MLB. They aren't moving out of the metro area. They could move to the suburbs, but no farther. Any words otherwise are simply attempts to extort stadium money from the city/state.
I wonder if that could include the suburbs in Northwest Indiana located south of Gary? Or they could still move to Aurora, Illinois where Wayne's World was set (but most of the film scenes was filmed around LA) (https://www.movie-locations.com/movies/w/Waynes-World.php)
As much as I'd love to see the Sox right in my backyard, I think NWI is too far away for a lot of the fan base, and Aurora is too far west. Something around the I-55/I-294 interchange would be the best suburban location if they can't find anything in the city.
With the Bears moving out, I'd love to see Soldier Field repurposed as a baseball stadium.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on August 25, 2023, 11:12:13 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on August 25, 2023, 11:12:13 AM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on August 25, 2023, 10:18:24 AMNW Indiana wouldn't be a good location. You'd want to build a ballpark around where most of the population in the area is and that isn't NW Indiana.Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 25, 2023, 07:17:04 AM
Sox have one of the biggest TV contracts in MLB. They aren't moving out of the metro area. They could move to the suburbs, but no farther. Any words otherwise are simply attempts to extort stadium money from the city/state.
I wonder if that could include the suburbs in Northwest Indiana located south of Gary? Or they could still move to Aurora, Illinois where Wayne's World was set (but most of the film scenes was filmed around LA) (https://www.movie-locations.com/movies/w/Waynes-World.php)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: hotdogPi on August 25, 2023, 11:13:51 AM
Post by: hotdogPi on August 25, 2023, 11:13:51 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 25, 2023, 11:12:13 AMQuote from: Stephane Dumas on August 25, 2023, 10:18:24 AMNW Indiana wouldn't be a good location. You'd want to build a ballpark around where most of the population in the area is and that isn't NW Indiana.Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 25, 2023, 07:17:04 AM
Sox have one of the biggest TV contracts in MLB. They aren't moving out of the metro area. They could move to the suburbs, but no farther. Any words otherwise are simply attempts to extort stadium money from the city/state.
I wonder if that could include the suburbs in Northwest Indiana located south of Gary? Or they could still move to Aurora, Illinois where Wayne's World was set (but most of the film scenes was filmed around LA) (https://www.movie-locations.com/movies/w/Waynes-World.php)
Call it Indiana Whatevers. Indianapolis will join the fan base while keeping some of Chicago's.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on August 25, 2023, 11:17:51 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on August 25, 2023, 11:17:51 AM
Quote from: 1 on August 25, 2023, 11:13:51 AMPeople in Indianapolis are already established. They are closer to the Reds than they are to either Chicago team even if the White Sox moved to NW Indiana they'd still be closer by about 40 miles. NW Indiana isn't a good place to put a professional team anyway.Quote from: Flint1979 on August 25, 2023, 11:12:13 AMQuote from: Stephane Dumas on August 25, 2023, 10:18:24 AMNW Indiana wouldn't be a good location. You'd want to build a ballpark around where most of the population in the area is and that isn't NW Indiana.Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 25, 2023, 07:17:04 AM
Sox have one of the biggest TV contracts in MLB. They aren't moving out of the metro area. They could move to the suburbs, but no farther. Any words otherwise are simply attempts to extort stadium money from the city/state.
I wonder if that could include the suburbs in Northwest Indiana located south of Gary? Or they could still move to Aurora, Illinois where Wayne's World was set (but most of the film scenes was filmed around LA) (https://www.movie-locations.com/movies/w/Waynes-World.php)
Call it Indiana Whatevers. Indianapolis will join the fan base while keeping some of Chicago's.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KeithE4Phx on August 25, 2023, 12:45:18 PM
Post by: KeithE4Phx on August 25, 2023, 12:45:18 PM
Quote from: Henry on August 24, 2023, 10:33:48 PM
The Cubs may be the bigger draw, but the White Sox are just as important to Chicago as the North Siders are. In an era where Philadelphia, Boston, St. Louis and even New York lost teams, Chicago was very fortunate to hold on to both of its teams, though the Sox have been linked to relocation rumors more than twice: Two decades before they flirted with Tampa Bay, a move to Milwaukee was proposed, until the bankrupt Seattle Pilots ended up there. That being said, I don't want the annual Crosstown Series to be a thing of the past.
The Sox have come thisclose to moving to Milwaukee (1969), Seattle (1975), Denver (1980), and St. Petersburg (1987).
One thing they won't do is move anyplace north of Madison St. The north side of the metro is Cubs country, and the Sox would be unwelcome. Southern DuPage or Kane County, maybe. Aurora, might work; Elgin will not.
Northwest Indiana, file that under "Never." It's been going downhill for at least 60 years (full disclosure: my family is originally from Hammond, and I remember when things started to sink). The economy can no longer handle it. The refineries and steel mills just ain't what they used to be.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on August 28, 2023, 12:03:55 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on August 28, 2023, 12:03:55 PM
Can't even get 30 years out of a stadium any more before the team goes threatening to move. :no: :pan:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on August 28, 2023, 07:27:41 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on August 28, 2023, 07:27:41 PM
The Tigers should move back to the corner of Michgian and Trumbull. Tear everything that was built there down and rebuild Tiger Stadium then rebuild everything that was there where Comerica Park is today. A win win situation.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Bruce on August 29, 2023, 02:28:00 AM
Post by: Bruce on August 29, 2023, 02:28:00 AM
Somehow the Mariners have ended up atop their division and tied a franchise record for most wins in a month.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 29, 2023, 07:02:00 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 29, 2023, 07:02:00 AM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on August 25, 2023, 12:45:18 PMQuote from: Henry on August 24, 2023, 10:33:48 PM
The Cubs may be the bigger draw, but the White Sox are just as important to Chicago as the North Siders are. In an era where Philadelphia, Boston, St. Louis and even New York lost teams, Chicago was very fortunate to hold on to both of its teams, though the Sox have been linked to relocation rumors more than twice: Two decades before they flirted with Tampa Bay, a move to Milwaukee was proposed, until the bankrupt Seattle Pilots ended up there. That being said, I don't want the annual Crosstown Series to be a thing of the past.
The Sox have come thisclose to moving to Milwaukee (1969), Seattle (1975), Denver (1980), and St. Petersburg (1987).
One thing they won't do is move anyplace north of Madison St. The north side of the metro is Cubs country, and the Sox would be unwelcome. Southern DuPage or Kane County, maybe. Aurora, might work; Elgin will not.
Northwest Indiana, file that under "Never." It's been going downhill for at least 60 years (full disclosure: my family is originally from Hammond, and I remember when things started to sink). The economy can no longer handle it. The refineries and steel mills just ain't what they used to be.
Not sure when the last time is that you've been to NWI, or which parts you went to, but your assessment is not accurate. Yes, Gary is still at rock bottom, but Hammond is on the upswing and the middle of Lake County (Munster, Highland, Dyer, Schererville, St John, Crown Point, Winfield) is absolutely thriving.
The economy isn't the problem. The problem is that the majority of the fan base is in Chicago and the western suburbs, and going to NWI is not convenient for them.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KeithE4Phx on August 29, 2023, 07:18:58 PM
Post by: KeithE4Phx on August 29, 2023, 07:18:58 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 29, 2023, 07:02:00 AMQuote from: KeithE4Phx on August 25, 2023, 12:45:18 PMQuote from: Henry on August 24, 2023, 10:33:48 PM
The Cubs may be the bigger draw, but the White Sox are just as important to Chicago as the North Siders are. In an era where Philadelphia, Boston, St. Louis and even New York lost teams, Chicago was very fortunate to hold on to both of its teams, though the Sox have been linked to relocation rumors more than twice: Two decades before they flirted with Tampa Bay, a move to Milwaukee was proposed, until the bankrupt Seattle Pilots ended up there. That being said, I don't want the annual Crosstown Series to be a thing of the past.
The Sox have come thisclose to moving to Milwaukee (1969), Seattle (1975), Denver (1980), and St. Petersburg (1987).
One thing they won't do is move anyplace north of Madison St. The north side of the metro is Cubs country, and the Sox would be unwelcome. Southern DuPage or Kane County, maybe. Aurora, might work; Elgin will not.
Northwest Indiana, file that under "Never." It's been going downhill for at least 60 years (full disclosure: my family is originally from Hammond, and I remember when things started to sink). The economy can no longer handle it. The refineries and steel mills just ain't what they used to be.
Not sure when the last time is that you've been to NWI, or which parts you went to, but your assessment is not accurate. Yes, Gary is still at rock bottom, but Hammond is on the upswing and the middle of Lake County (Munster, Highland, Dyer, Schererville, St John, Crown Point, Winfield) is absolutely thriving.
My family in the area moved away or died back in the '70s and '80s. But if it's doing better now (outside of Gary), that's great.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on August 31, 2023, 10:07:00 PM
Post by: Henry on August 31, 2023, 10:07:00 PM
The Cubs are currently caught up in the pennant race, and occupying the second wildcard berth. This was not supposed to happen during their latest rebuild, but it's the Cubs, and after the events of 2016, I've learned to expect the unexpected.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 01, 2023, 06:31:58 AM
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 01, 2023, 06:31:58 AM
Braves OF Ronald Acuna, Jr., is now the first ever member of the 30-60 club (30 HR, 60 stolen bases).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on September 01, 2023, 01:52:26 PM
Post by: Alps on September 01, 2023, 01:52:26 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on September 01, 2023, 06:31:58 AMand got married the morning between games to keep his wife and kids here in America instead of having to return to another country for 2 months. he sounds like an amazing guy and I hope they win the Series this year (as a Yankees fan I have no shot here).
Braves OF Ronald Acuna, Jr., is now the first ever member of the 30-60 club (30 HR, 60 stolen bases).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 01, 2023, 08:53:41 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 01, 2023, 08:53:41 PM
All those cities that the White Sox threatened to move to have MLB teams now.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 02, 2023, 01:42:12 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 02, 2023, 01:42:12 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 01, 2023, 08:53:41 PMLet's see if the White Sox threaten to move to Montreal. :P
All those cities that the White Sox threatened to move to have MLB teams now.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kurumi on September 02, 2023, 06:54:40 PM
Post by: kurumi on September 02, 2023, 06:54:40 PM
The M's are 26-8 since July 24; nice
And the Royals and A's have been bottom-dwelling brothers, below every other team in games above .500, since April 29.
And the Royals and A's have been bottom-dwelling brothers, below every other team in games above .500, since April 29.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 02, 2023, 08:05:04 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 02, 2023, 08:05:04 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on September 02, 2023, 01:42:12 PMThey can threaten all they want they will never leave Chicago. I don't think it would get approved anyway.Quote from: Flint1979 on September 01, 2023, 08:53:41 PMLet's see if the White Sox threaten to move to Montreal. :P
All those cities that the White Sox threatened to move to have MLB teams now.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on September 04, 2023, 11:43:10 AM
Post by: ET21 on September 04, 2023, 11:43:10 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 02, 2023, 08:05:04 PMQuote from: Stephane Dumas on September 02, 2023, 01:42:12 PMThey can threaten all they want they will never leave Chicago. I don't think it would get approved anyway.Quote from: Flint1979 on September 01, 2023, 08:53:41 PMLet's see if the White Sox threaten to move to Montreal. :P
All those cities that the White Sox threatened to move to have MLB teams now.
Apparently Jerry wants to go to Nashville, but Nashville doesn't want them :-D They want to start a new franchise.
What a shitshow of a franchise, would be the worst run baseball team in 2023 if it wasn't for the A's saga though the Royals are just as bad
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 04, 2023, 02:30:40 PM
Post by: Henry on September 04, 2023, 02:30:40 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 02, 2023, 08:05:04 PMYou know, we would've said the same thing about the Giants and Dodgers when both teams were in New York (or, for the latter, Brooklyn), and they still bolted for California. It's funny how often we take things for granted, only to lose them in the end.Quote from: Stephane Dumas on September 02, 2023, 01:42:12 PMThey can threaten all they want they will never leave Chicago. I don't think it would get approved anyway.Quote from: Flint1979 on September 01, 2023, 08:53:41 PMLet's see if the White Sox threaten to move to Montreal. :P
All those cities that the White Sox threatened to move to have MLB teams now.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 04, 2023, 09:31:16 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 04, 2023, 09:31:16 PM
Quote from: ET21 on September 04, 2023, 11:43:10 AMThe Mets really aren't ran well either but I eah Jerry is an ass not a fan friendly owner at all.Quote from: Flint1979 on September 02, 2023, 08:05:04 PMQuote from: Stephane Dumas on September 02, 2023, 01:42:12 PMThey can threaten all they want they will never leave Chicago. I don't think it would get approved anyway.Quote from: Flint1979 on September 01, 2023, 08:53:41 PMLet's see if the White Sox threaten to move to Montreal.
All those cities that the White Sox threatened to move to have MLB teams now.
Apparently Jerry wants to go to Nashville, but Nashville doesn't want them :-D They want to start a new franchise.
What a shitshow of a franchise, would be the worst run baseball team in 2023 if it wasn't for the A's saga though the Royals are just as bad
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on September 05, 2023, 05:07:05 PM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on September 05, 2023, 05:07:05 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 04, 2023, 09:31:16 PMQuote from: ET21 on September 04, 2023, 11:43:10 AMThe Mets really aren't ran well either but I eah Jerry is an ass not a fan friendly owner at all.Quote from: Flint1979 on September 02, 2023, 08:05:04 PMQuote from: Stephane Dumas on September 02, 2023, 01:42:12 PMThey can threaten all they want they will never leave Chicago. I don't think it would get approved anyway.Quote from: Flint1979 on September 01, 2023, 08:53:41 PMLet's see if the White Sox threaten to move to Montreal.
All those cities that the White Sox threatened to move to have MLB teams now.
Apparently Jerry wants to go to Nashville, but Nashville doesn't want them :-D They want to start a new franchise.
What a shitshow of a franchise, would be the worst run baseball team in 2023 if it wasn't for the A's saga though the Royals are just as bad
True. Let us not forget the other team Reinsdorf owns in another sport.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 15, 2023, 10:36:30 PM
Post by: Henry on September 15, 2023, 10:36:30 PM
No surprise here, the Braves were the first to clinch, and it's their 26th division title overall, the most ever. (Take that, Yankees and Dodgers!)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 16, 2023, 07:47:48 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 16, 2023, 07:47:48 AM
Quote from: Henry on September 15, 2023, 10:36:30 PMI know in the Yankees case they are in a much tougher division historically and the Yankees have won that division 20 times. The Braves only have two titles for all those division titles. Major choke artists in the postseason.
No surprise here, the Braves were the first to clinch, and it's their 26th division title overall, the most ever. (Take that, Yankees and Dodgers!)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: epzik8 on September 16, 2023, 03:26:10 PM
Post by: epzik8 on September 16, 2023, 03:26:10 PM
Shame about Shohei Ohtani. The Angels need to send him elsewhere during the offseason.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 17, 2023, 09:40:48 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 17, 2023, 09:40:48 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on September 16, 2023, 03:26:10 PM
Shame about Shohei Ohtani. The Angels need to send him elsewhere during the offseason.
He will be a free agent. He can send himself anywhere he wants.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on September 17, 2023, 11:10:08 AM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on September 17, 2023, 11:10:08 AM
That the Angels have both Mike Trout and Shohei Ohtani and have thoroughly mismanaged both is criminal.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 18, 2023, 11:00:35 PM
Post by: Henry on September 18, 2023, 11:00:35 PM
Add the Dodgers, Orioles and Rays to the postseason party! I'm happy for Baltimore, which has its first appearance since 2016 (coincidentally the same season that saw the end of the Billy Goat Curse and a 108-year championship drought for a certain favorite team of mine).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on September 19, 2023, 06:16:26 AM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on September 19, 2023, 06:16:26 AM
Last week, the Boston Red Sox fired Chaim Bloom, their Chief Baseball Officer. He had done a decent job restocking the farm system, but made other questionable and unpopular moves (trading Mookie Betts). But the straw that broke the camel's back was the number of fans from opposing teams who showed at Fenway when the Dodgers played the Sox, and when Yankees-Red Sox tickets allegedly sold for pennies on the dollar (relatively speaking).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 19, 2023, 11:56:38 PM
Post by: Henry on September 19, 2023, 11:56:38 PM
So far, seven teams have been eliminated from postseason contention:
Angels
Athletics
Cardinals
Nationals
Rockies
Royals
White Sox
Angels
Athletics
Cardinals
Nationals
Rockies
Royals
White Sox
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gonealookin on September 20, 2023, 12:14:45 AM
Post by: gonealookin on September 20, 2023, 12:14:45 AM
Quote from: Henry on September 18, 2023, 11:00:35 PM
I'm happy for Baltimore, which has its first appearance since 2016 (coincidentally the same season that saw the end of the Billy Goat Curse and a 108-year championship drought for a certain favorite team of mine).
It's certainly great for Orioles fans who have watched some dreadfully hideous baseball for most of this century. The team basically tanked for draft position for several years, and that Kevin Brown fiasco a couple months ago reminded a lot of us that some of the people at the top of the organization are an embarrassment to themselves, the city and Major League Baseball.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 20, 2023, 08:55:08 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 20, 2023, 08:55:08 AM
It's kind of crazy that the Nationals won the 2019 World Series and they haven't had a season where they have finished over .500 or at .500 since.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on September 20, 2023, 10:00:35 AM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on September 20, 2023, 10:00:35 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 20, 2023, 08:55:08 AM
It's kind of crazy that the Nationals won the 2019 World Series and they haven't had a season where they have finished over .500 or at .500 since.
Change that to the Royals and 2015 and other than finishing at .500 in 2016, they've been (way) under ever since.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 20, 2023, 11:01:36 AM
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 20, 2023, 11:01:36 AM
That's what can happen when a team goes "all in" for one season. They deplete their farm system in trades and blow a lot of cash on short contracts for free agents. It leaves them wanting for resources for many seasons after.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 20, 2023, 10:13:33 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 20, 2023, 10:13:33 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 20, 2023, 10:00:35 AMYeah them too but they kind of came out of nowhere and had a three year run then went back to their normal ways again. With the Nationals they had been good for awhile and then fell off the tank after winning.Quote from: Flint1979 on September 20, 2023, 08:55:08 AM
It's kind of crazy that the Nationals won the 2019 World Series and they haven't had a season where they have finished over .500 or at .500 since.
Change that to the Royals and 2015 and other than finishing at .500 in 2016, they've been (way) under ever since.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 21, 2023, 10:08:08 PM
Post by: Henry on September 21, 2023, 10:08:08 PM
Quote from: Henry on September 19, 2023, 11:56:38 PMNow it's up to eight, with the Red Sox out of the running.
So far, seven teams have been eliminated from postseason contention:
Angels
Athletics
Cardinals
Nationals
Rockies
Royals
White Sox
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on September 22, 2023, 12:44:27 PM
Post by: Takumi on September 22, 2023, 12:44:27 PM
Quote from: gonealookin on September 20, 2023, 12:14:45 AMQuote from: Henry on September 18, 2023, 11:00:35 PM
I'm happy for Baltimore, which has its first appearance since 2016 (coincidentally the same season that saw the end of the Billy Goat Curse and a 108-year championship drought for a certain favorite team of mine).
It's certainly great for Orioles fans who have watched some dreadfully hideous baseball for most of this century. The team basically tanked for draft position for several years, and that Kevin Brown fiasco a couple months ago reminded a lot of us that some of the people at the top of the organization are an embarrassment to themselves, the city and Major League Baseball.
The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that the Kevin Brown thing had something bigger behind it, like a salary dispute. Don't get me wrong, JA is a moron, and should sell the team when it's feasible, but I think there was more there than we'll ever know about.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tmoore952 on September 22, 2023, 01:11:09 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on September 22, 2023, 01:11:09 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 20, 2023, 08:55:08 AM
It's kind of crazy that the Nationals won the 2019 World Series and they haven't had a season where they have finished over .500 or at .500 since.
I live near DC and am a Nats fan. I'm not surprised.
They won right at the end of their window.
Corbin lost his touch.
Strasburg (save for 31 innings or so) never pitched again.
Management decided not to pay Rendon, Soto, Turner (I'm probably forgetting some others - Harper also although they did win wo him)
Scherzer was (and is) at the end of his career (always injured).
Ryan Zimmerman also at the end of his career (he didn't play in 2020 due to pandemic, then I believe retired wo ever playing again).
They should have had a season with all sellouts in 2020 (with the resulting revenue) but that didn't happen. I realize every other team had the same problem, but every other team had not won the WS in 2019.
What bugs me now is that there are definitely signs of improvement, but I don't know if the management will make the necessary moves to supplement the young players that are coming up.
The other thing, is that it was reported that the Lerners were looking to sell, but in the last few weeks they extended the contracts of both the manager (Davey Martinez) and the general manager (Mike Rizzo). These actions make me think that a sale is NOT imminent. I am not surprised by this either. I doubt there will be much buyer interest until the MASN thing with the Orioles (regarding TV money) gets resolved.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tmoore952 on September 22, 2023, 01:14:27 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on September 22, 2023, 01:14:27 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on September 20, 2023, 11:01:36 AM
That's what can happen when a team goes "all in" for one season. They deplete their farm system in trades and blow a lot of cash on short contracts for free agents. It leaves them wanting for resources for many seasons after.
They didn't really go "all in". That was a 7 to 10 year process with several excruciating playoff losses in there (2012, 2014, 2016 -- all of them made me pull my hair out). They did get some free agents, but not a ton of them, but --- that's what happens when a team thinks they are close. The more accurate answer is that they won at the end of their window (see the post right above here where I address that).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on September 22, 2023, 04:24:20 PM
Post by: Alps on September 22, 2023, 04:24:20 PM
Quote from: Henry on September 21, 2023, 10:08:08 PMThis Yankees fan is just glad we didn't go first in the East.Quote from: Henry on September 19, 2023, 11:56:38 PMNow it's up to eight, with the Red Sox out of the running.
So far, seven teams have been eliminated from postseason contention:
Angels
Athletics
Cardinals
Nationals
Rockies
Royals
White Sox
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tmoore952 on September 22, 2023, 04:34:53 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on September 22, 2023, 04:34:53 PM
Quote from: Henry on September 15, 2023, 10:36:30 PM
No surprise here, the Braves were the first to clinch, and it's their 26th division title overall, the most ever. (Take that, Yankees and Dodgers!)
How do you get 26? i only count 23. I realize it's still the most.
1969, 1982, 1991-1993, 1995-2005, 2013, 2018-2023
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 23, 2023, 08:15:47 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 23, 2023, 08:15:47 AM
Quote from: tmoore952 on September 22, 2023, 04:34:53 PMI only counted 23 as well.Quote from: Henry on September 15, 2023, 10:36:30 PM
No surprise here, the Braves were the first to clinch, and it's their 26th division title overall, the most ever. (Take that, Yankees and Dodgers!)
How do you get 26? i only count 23. I realize it's still the most.
1969, 1982, 1991-1993, 1995-2005, 2013, 2018-2023
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Mapmikey on September 23, 2023, 08:46:52 AM
Post by: Mapmikey on September 23, 2023, 08:46:52 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 23, 2023, 08:15:47 AMQuote from: tmoore952 on September 22, 2023, 04:34:53 PMI only counted 23 as well.Quote from: Henry on September 15, 2023, 10:36:30 PM
No surprise here, the Braves were the first to clinch, and it's their 26th division title overall, the most ever. (Take that, Yankees and Dodgers!)
How do you get 26? i only count 23. I realize it's still the most.
1969, 1982, 1991-1993, 1995-2005, 2013, 2018-2023
26 includes the 3 pennants they won before divisional play began in MLB.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: dlsterner on September 24, 2023, 11:09:34 PM
Post by: dlsterner on September 24, 2023, 11:09:34 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on September 23, 2023, 08:46:52 AMQuote from: Flint1979 on September 23, 2023, 08:15:47 AMQuote from: tmoore952 on September 22, 2023, 04:34:53 PMI only counted 23 as well.Quote from: Henry on September 15, 2023, 10:36:30 PM
No surprise here, the Braves were the first to clinch, and it's their 26th division title overall, the most ever. (Take that, Yankees and Dodgers!)
How do you get 26? i only count 23. I realize it's still the most.
1969, 1982, 1991-1993, 1995-2005, 2013, 2018-2023
26 includes the 3 pennants they won before divisional play began in MLB.
A little confused here ... If counting the pennants they won prior to divisional play (1969 to present), then those three would be league titles, not division titles.
But - prior to the 23 in the division era, I see 1957 and 1958 (when they were in Milwaukee) and 1914 and 1948 (when they were in Boston). Seems to me that makes 27 first place finishes (23 in division era, 4 in pre-division era).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tmoore952 on September 25, 2023, 12:33:21 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on September 25, 2023, 12:33:21 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on September 23, 2023, 08:46:52 AMQuote from: Flint1979 on September 23, 2023, 08:15:47 AMQuote from: tmoore952 on September 22, 2023, 04:34:53 PMI only counted 23 as well.Quote from: Henry on September 15, 2023, 10:36:30 PM
No surprise here, the Braves were the first to clinch, and it's their 26th division title overall, the most ever. (Take that, Yankees and Dodgers!)
How do you get 26? i only count 23. I realize it's still the most.
1969, 1982, 1991-1993, 1995-2005, 2013, 2018-2023
26 includes the 3 pennants they won before divisional play began in MLB.
By that logic, the Yankees won 29 AL pennants before division play ever started.
That beats 26 (or 27) right there.
Their total using your counting method, I believe, is:
40 AL pennants -- of the pennants won in the division era, all came after winning a division championship (none won as a Wild Card). Only count those once.
9 other division titles where they failed to win the AL pennant (1980 + 8 occasions in the 21st century).
That adds up to 49.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 25, 2023, 11:06:50 PM
Post by: Henry on September 25, 2023, 11:06:50 PM
Today, we have 12 teams that will not be playing this October:
Angels
Athletics
Cardinals
Guardians
Mets
Nationals
Pirates
Rockies
Royals
Tigers
White Sox
Yankees
Angels
Athletics
Cardinals
Guardians
Mets
Nationals
Pirates
Rockies
Royals
Tigers
White Sox
Yankees
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 26, 2023, 07:34:52 AM
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 26, 2023, 07:34:52 AM
Add the Red Sox to that. The Yankees are in front of them in the AL East now.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on September 26, 2023, 11:25:14 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on September 26, 2023, 11:25:14 AM
Quote from: Henry on September 25, 2023, 11:06:50 PMI beg to differ. Every team in MLB will be playing on October 1st. LOL.
Today, we have 12 teams that will not be playing this October:
Angels
Athletics
Cardinals
Guardians
Mets
Nationals
Pirates
Rockies
Royals
Tigers
White Sox
Yankees
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hunty2022 on September 29, 2023, 08:44:23 AM
Post by: Hunty2022 on September 29, 2023, 08:44:23 AM
The Orioles have clinched the AL East with their 100th win.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 29, 2023, 11:32:55 AM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 29, 2023, 11:32:55 AM
Quote from: Hunty2022 on September 29, 2023, 08:44:23 AM
The Orioles have clinched the AL East with their 100th win.
That would be a good tribute to Brooks Robinson who passed away recently. :( https://www.mlb.com/news/brooks-robinson-dies-at-86
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 29, 2023, 06:45:28 PM
Post by: Henry on September 29, 2023, 06:45:28 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 26, 2023, 11:25:14 AMYeah, I'm aware of that, but still...Quote from: Henry on September 25, 2023, 11:06:50 PMI beg to differ. Every team in MLB will be playing on October 1st. LOL.
Today, we have 12 teams that will not be playing this October:
Angels
Athletics
Cardinals
Guardians
Mets
Nationals
Pirates
Rockies
Royals
Tigers
White Sox
Yankees
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on September 30, 2023, 08:21:09 AM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on September 30, 2023, 08:21:09 AM
Current Cleveland manager, and former Boston Red Sox manager Terry Francona is set to retire.
https://fox8.com/news/goodbye-tito-guardians-plan-to-honor-popular-manager-at-his-last-home-game/
https://fox8.com/news/goodbye-tito-guardians-plan-to-honor-popular-manager-at-his-last-home-game/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 30, 2023, 07:44:58 PM
Post by: Henry on September 30, 2023, 07:44:58 PM
Time to add a new team to the "wait til next year" list:
Angels
Athletics
Cardinals
Guardians
Mets
Nationals
Padres
Pirates
Red Sox
Rockies
Royals
Tigers
White Sox
Yankees
Angels
Athletics
Cardinals
Guardians
Mets
Nationals
Padres
Pirates
Red Sox
Rockies
Royals
Tigers
White Sox
Yankees
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jp the roadgeek on September 30, 2023, 08:48:29 PM
Post by: jp the roadgeek on September 30, 2023, 08:48:29 PM
Quote from: Henry on September 30, 2023, 07:44:58 PM
Time to add a new team to the "wait til next year" list:
Angels
Athletics
Cardinals
Guardians
Mets
Nationals
Padres
Pirates
Rockies
Royals
Tigers
White Sox
Yankees
Ummm...what about the Red Sox?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on September 30, 2023, 09:22:52 PM
Post by: Henry on September 30, 2023, 09:22:52 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 30, 2023, 08:48:29 PMFixed, per the post above.
Ummm...what about the Red Sox?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on September 30, 2023, 09:49:35 PM
Post by: Big John on September 30, 2023, 09:49:35 PM
Add the Cubs and the Reds.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hunty2022 on September 30, 2023, 11:26:33 PM
Post by: Hunty2022 on September 30, 2023, 11:26:33 PM
Astros are back in the postseason for the 7th season in a row!!!
Blue Jays and Rangers also made it, sealing the AL.
Marlins and Diamondbacks made it, sealing the NL Wild Card Race.
Post 900!!
Blue Jays and Rangers also made it, sealing the AL.
Marlins and Diamondbacks made it, sealing the NL Wild Card Race.
Post 900!!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gonealookin on September 30, 2023, 11:39:14 PM
Post by: gonealookin on September 30, 2023, 11:39:14 PM
Quote from: Big John on September 30, 2023, 09:49:35 PM
Add the Cubs and the Reds.
And the Seattle Mariners. They made postseason in 2001, next made it in 2022, so look for them again in 2043.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 01, 2023, 03:25:58 PM
Post by: Alps on October 01, 2023, 03:25:58 PM
Quote from: Hunty2022 on September 30, 2023, 11:26:33 PMyou messed something up, your bio says 899
Astros are back in the postseason for the 7th season in a row!!!
Blue Jays and Rangers also made it, sealing the AL.
Marlins and Diamondbacks made it, sealing the NL Wild Card Race.
Post 900!!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 01, 2023, 06:24:10 PM
Post by: Henry on October 01, 2023, 06:24:10 PM
After today, we won't see these 18 teams in further action until spring training begins in 2024:
Angels
Athletics
Cardinals
Cubs
Giants
Guardians
Mariners
Mets
Nationals
Padres
Pirates
Red Sox
Reds
Rockies
Royals
Tigers
White Sox
Yankees
Good luck to the 12 teams that made the postseason!
Angels
Athletics
Cardinals
Cubs
Giants
Guardians
Mariners
Mets
Nationals
Padres
Pirates
Red Sox
Reds
Rockies
Royals
Tigers
White Sox
Yankees
Good luck to the 12 teams that made the postseason!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hunty2022 on October 01, 2023, 07:09:46 PM
Post by: Hunty2022 on October 01, 2023, 07:09:46 PM
The 2023 postseason bracket is set!!
(https://i.postimg.cc/FzRG9vkr/IMG-3821.jpg)
According to my posts page, it said 900 when I posted it, according to my bio, this is post 900.
(https://i.postimg.cc/FzRG9vkr/IMG-3821.jpg)
Quote from: Alps on October 01, 2023, 03:25:58 PMQuote from: Hunty2022 on September 30, 2023, 11:26:33 PMyou messed something up, your bio says 899
Astros are back in the postseason for the 7th season in a row!!!
Blue Jays and Rangers also made it, sealing the AL.
Marlins and Diamondbacks made it, sealing the NL Wild Card Race.
Post 900!!
According to my posts page, it said 900 when I posted it, according to my bio, this is post 900.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 01, 2023, 09:00:47 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 01, 2023, 09:00:47 PM
I hope it's Baltimore and Milwaukee in the World Series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on October 02, 2023, 06:59:08 PM
Post by: Big John on October 02, 2023, 06:59:08 PM
Woodruff is out for the playoffs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SectorZ on October 02, 2023, 07:52:07 PM
Post by: SectorZ on October 02, 2023, 07:52:07 PM
RIP to Tim Wakefield
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 03, 2023, 06:31:21 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 03, 2023, 06:31:21 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 01, 2023, 09:00:47 PM
I hope it's Baltimore and Milwaukee in the World Series.
I'd love to see anybody aside from Astros/Twins/Braves/Dodgers in the World Series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 03, 2023, 09:45:24 PM
Post by: Takumi on October 03, 2023, 09:45:24 PM
If it ends up being Orioles-Dodgers it's going to be very awkward for me. Personally as long as it's not the Braves or the trash cans I'll be fine, but Orioles and/or Dodgers are preferred.
In other news, for the first time in the history of the AARoads forum, the Twins have won a playoff game.
In other news, for the first time in the history of the AARoads forum, the Twins have won a playoff game.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 03, 2023, 10:23:38 PM
Post by: Henry on October 03, 2023, 10:23:38 PM
I know this is a long shot, but an all-Florida showdown would make a nice ending to the season, especially since both teams are celebrating milestone seasons (25th for the Rays, and 30 for the Marlins). Hell, I'll even take an all-1998 matchup (Rays vs. Diamondbacks).
But I like being a realist, so Braves over Orioles in six.
But I like being a realist, so Braves over Orioles in six.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SectorZ on October 04, 2023, 08:22:15 AM
Post by: SectorZ on October 04, 2023, 08:22:15 AM
Quote from: Henry on October 03, 2023, 10:23:38 PM
I know this is a long shot, but an all-Florida showdown would make a nice ending to the season, especially since both teams are celebrating milestone seasons (25th for the Rays, and 30 for the Marlins). Hell, I'll even take an all-1998 matchup (Rays vs. Diamondbacks).
But I like being a realist, so Braves over Orioles in six.
As long as more than 19,000 people bother going to the Rays games from here on out.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 04, 2023, 10:26:30 AM
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 04, 2023, 10:26:30 AM
Frontline did an interesting dive into the Astros' sign stealing scandal. If you've got 83 minutes and care about baseball, it's worth a watch. Because it's not just a takedown of what the team did to cheat, but rather puts it in the remarkable context of the legitimate things they did to make themselves one of the best teams in the league.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNU64BVw95g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNU64BVw95g
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 04, 2023, 06:50:03 PM
Post by: Takumi on October 04, 2023, 06:50:03 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on October 04, 2023, 08:22:15 AMQuote from: Henry on October 03, 2023, 10:23:38 PM
I know this is a long shot, but an all-Florida showdown would make a nice ending to the season, especially since both teams are celebrating milestone seasons (25th for the Rays, and 30 for the Marlins). Hell, I'll even take an all-1998 matchup (Rays vs. Diamondbacks).
But I like being a realist, so Braves over Orioles in six.
As long as more than 19,000 people bother going to the Rays games from here on out.
After today there are no more Rays games for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on October 04, 2023, 07:50:35 PM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on October 04, 2023, 07:50:35 PM
Twins are moving on for the first time since 2002. Let's go!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 04, 2023, 08:43:40 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 04, 2023, 08:43:40 PM
Quote from: Takumi on October 04, 2023, 06:50:03 PMThey only had 494 more people for game 2 than game 1.Quote from: SectorZ on October 04, 2023, 08:22:15 AMQuote from: Henry on October 03, 2023, 10:23:38 PM
I know this is a long shot, but an all-Florida showdown would make a nice ending to the season, especially since both teams are celebrating milestone seasons (25th for the Rays, and 30 for the Marlins). Hell, I'll even take an all-1998 matchup (Rays vs. Diamondbacks).
But I like being a realist, so Braves over Orioles in six.
As long as more than 19,000 people bother going to the Rays games from here on out.
After today there are no more Rays games for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 04, 2023, 10:16:54 PM
Post by: Takumi on October 04, 2023, 10:16:54 PM
The ALDS matchups will be Rangers-Orioles and Twins-Astros. The NLDS will literally be two Division Series, with the West's Diamondbacks and Dodgers in one matchup, and the East's Phillies vs. the Braves in the other.
As of the time of this post the three completed Wild Card matches ended in sweeps, and the fourth looks to be going the same way. Two of the winners were road teams.
Edit: the fourth was also a sweep.
As of the time of this post the three completed Wild Card matches ended in sweeps, and the fourth looks to be going the same way. Two of the winners were road teams.
Edit: the fourth was also a sweep.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 04, 2023, 10:19:29 PM
Post by: Henry on October 04, 2023, 10:19:29 PM
Quote from: Takumi on October 04, 2023, 06:50:03 PMIf that 7-0 score in Philly holds up, there'll be no more Marlins games this year either.Quote from: SectorZ on October 04, 2023, 08:22:15 AMQuote from: Henry on October 03, 2023, 10:23:38 PM
I know this is a long shot, but an all-Florida showdown would make a nice ending to the season, especially since both teams are celebrating milestone seasons (25th for the Rays, and 30 for the Marlins). Hell, I'll even take an all-1998 matchup (Rays vs. Diamondbacks).
But I like being a realist, so Braves over Orioles in six.
As long as more than 19,000 people bother going to the Rays games from here on out.
After today there are no more Rays games for the rest of the season.
Meanwhile, I congratulate the Diamondbacks for sweeping a despised rival out of the Wild Card round.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: epzik8 on October 08, 2023, 12:42:28 PM
Post by: epzik8 on October 08, 2023, 12:42:28 PM
No reason for the Braves to lose yesterday.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 08, 2023, 09:21:24 PM
Post by: Takumi on October 08, 2023, 09:21:24 PM
Kersh :(
Not a good weekend to have won 100 games in the regular season.
Not a good weekend to have won 100 games in the regular season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 09, 2023, 10:09:28 PM
Post by: Henry on October 09, 2023, 10:09:28 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on October 08, 2023, 12:42:28 PMAt least they bounced back today.
No reason for the Braves to lose yesterday.
Quote from: Takumi on October 08, 2023, 09:21:24 PMI'd hate to be an Orioles fan right now. The prospect of getting swept in Texas ought to frighten those who are.
Kersh :(
Not a good weekend to have won 100 games in the regular season.
The Dodgers could be in the exact same position when they go out to Arizona, right now they're losing 3-0.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KeithE4Phx on October 09, 2023, 11:38:49 PM
Post by: KeithE4Phx on October 09, 2023, 11:38:49 PM
Quote from: Henry on October 09, 2023, 10:09:28 PMQuote from: epzik8 on October 08, 2023, 12:42:28 PMAt least they bounced back today.
No reason for the Braves to lose yesterday.Quote from: Takumi on October 08, 2023, 09:21:24 PMI'd hate to be an Orioles fan right now. The prospect of getting swept in Texas ought to frighten those who are.
Kersh :(
Not a good weekend to have won 100 games in the regular season.
The Dodgers could be in the exact same position when they go out to Arizona, right now they're losing 3-0.
It's 4-2 D'backs after 7. But even if the Dodgers manage to come back and win this one, it'll be a best-of-3 with 2 games at Chase Field.
The Orioles are in deep doodoo right now.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 11, 2023, 09:41:48 PM
Post by: Henry on October 11, 2023, 09:41:48 PM
This season at Camden Yards ends the same way the other 31 did, with no World Series played there. Needless to say, having last played in a Fall Classic 40 years ago (and won too), the Orioles are the new Cubs, with a curse placed squarely on them that has no end in sight.
If the Phillies and Diamondbacks win their respective series (and it looks like the Phillies will after going up 2-1 on the Braves), there'll be no more 100-win teams left standing.
If the Phillies and Diamondbacks win their respective series (and it looks like the Phillies will after going up 2-1 on the Braves), there'll be no more 100-win teams left standing.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hunty2022 on October 11, 2023, 10:03:21 PM
Post by: Hunty2022 on October 11, 2023, 10:03:21 PM
Astros to their 7TH STRAIGHT ALCS!!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 12, 2023, 07:27:38 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 12, 2023, 07:27:38 AM
Quote from: Henry on October 11, 2023, 09:41:48 PMWhat about Cleveland?
This season at Camden Yards ends the same way the other 31 did, with no World Series played there. Needless to say, having last played in a Fall Classic 40 years ago (and won too), the Orioles are the new Cubs, with a curse placed squarely on them that has no end in sight.
If the Phillies and Diamondbacks win their respective series (and it looks like the Phillies will after going up 2-1 on the Braves), there'll be no more 100-win teams left standing.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 12, 2023, 07:39:37 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 12, 2023, 07:39:37 AM
Quote from: Hunty2022 on October 11, 2023, 10:03:21 PM
Astros to their 7TH STRAIGHT ALCS!!
They've really been doing a bang-up job recently.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on October 12, 2023, 03:49:18 PM
Post by: Alps on October 12, 2023, 03:49:18 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 12, 2023, 07:39:37 AMftfyQuote from: Hunty2022 on October 11, 2023, 10:03:21 PM
Astros to their 7TH STRAIGHT ALCS!!
They've really been cheating recently.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 12, 2023, 04:35:51 PM
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 12, 2023, 04:35:51 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 12, 2023, 07:39:37 AMQuote from: Hunty2022 on October 11, 2023, 10:03:21 PM
Astros to their 7TH STRAIGHT ALCS!!
They've really been doing a bang-up job recently.
Quote from: Alps on October 12, 2023, 03:49:18 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 12, 2023, 07:39:37 AMftfyQuote from: Hunty2022 on October 11, 2023, 10:03:21 PM
Astros to their 7TH STRAIGHT ALCS!!
They've really been cheating recently.
Bang-up and cheating are both relevant since they cheated based off of someone banging a drum.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: kurumi on October 12, 2023, 07:43:10 PM
Post by: kurumi on October 12, 2023, 07:43:10 PM
Quote from: Alps on October 12, 2023, 03:49:18 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 12, 2023, 07:39:37 AMftfyQuote from: Hunty2022 on October 11, 2023, 10:03:21 PM
Astros to their 7TH STRAIGHT ALCS!!
They've really been cheating recently.
I'm surprised the portmanteau "Patstros" has not made an appearance in this forum (until now)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 12, 2023, 10:18:31 PM
Post by: Henry on October 12, 2023, 10:18:31 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 12, 2023, 07:27:38 AMMeh, I don't think too much of them anyway. They're more like the Phillies, if you ask me (either they'll get agonizingly close or suck real bad).Quote from: Henry on October 11, 2023, 09:41:48 PMWhat about Cleveland?
This season at Camden Yards ends the same way the other 31 did, with no World Series played there. Needless to say, having last played in a Fall Classic 40 years ago (and won too), the Orioles are the new Cubs, with a curse placed squarely on them that has no end in sight.
If the Phillies and Diamondbacks win their respective series (and it looks like the Phillies will after going up 2-1 on the Braves), there'll be no more 100-win teams left standing.
Quote from: kurumi on October 12, 2023, 07:43:10 PMWell, I'd nominate "Heatstros" for another new word, as Miami did the same thing in its superteam era too.Quote from: Alps on October 12, 2023, 03:49:18 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 12, 2023, 07:39:37 AMftfyQuote from: Hunty2022 on October 11, 2023, 10:03:21 PM
Astros to their 7TH STRAIGHT ALCS!!
They've really been cheating recently.
I'm surprised the portmanteau "Patstros" has not made an appearance in this forum (until now)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 13, 2023, 12:26:14 AM
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 13, 2023, 12:26:14 AM
The Phils didn't make it easy tonight. They kept it interesting, but they pulled thru and now have home field advantage for the NLCS.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on October 13, 2023, 01:02:15 AM
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on October 13, 2023, 01:02:15 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 12, 2023, 07:27:38 AMWhat about them? They didn't qualify for the playoffs this year and haven't won 100 games since 1995.Quote from: Henry on October 11, 2023, 09:41:48 PMWhat about Cleveland?
This season at Camden Yards ends the same way the other 31 did, with no World Series played there. Needless to say, having last played in a Fall Classic 40 years ago (and won too), the Orioles are the new Cubs, with a curse placed squarely on them that has no end in sight.
If the Phillies and Diamondbacks win their respective series (and it looks like the Phillies will after going up 2-1 on the Braves), there'll be no more 100-win teams left standing.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on October 13, 2023, 01:31:21 AM
Post by: Takumi on October 13, 2023, 01:31:21 AM
Quote from: kurumi on October 12, 2023, 07:43:10 PMQuote from: Alps on October 12, 2023, 03:49:18 PMQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 12, 2023, 07:39:37 AMftfyQuote from: Hunty2022 on October 11, 2023, 10:03:21 PM
Astros to their 7TH STRAIGHT ALCS!!
They've really been cheating recently.
I'm surprised the portmanteau "Patstros" has not made an appearance in this forum (until now)
I'm more partial to Trashstros or just trash cans.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 13, 2023, 10:55:58 AM
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 13, 2023, 10:55:58 AM
Getting swept by Arizona stings a little less after they did the same thing to LA.
Definitely going to root for them over Houston. That cheating scandal scars the Astros forever in my book. Doesn't matter if they're not doing it anymore and changes to the league make it virtually impossible to repeat that particular method of cheating. They will never live down that taint.
Definitely going to root for them over Houston. That cheating scandal scars the Astros forever in my book. Doesn't matter if they're not doing it anymore and changes to the league make it virtually impossible to repeat that particular method of cheating. They will never live down that taint.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on October 13, 2023, 11:06:21 AM
Post by: Big John on October 13, 2023, 11:06:21 AM
Saw a blurb that every team that knocked the Brewers out of a playoff series has made it to the World Series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tmoore952 on October 13, 2023, 11:36:37 AM
Post by: tmoore952 on October 13, 2023, 11:36:37 AM
Quote from: Henry on October 12, 2023, 10:18:31 PMQuote from: Flint1979 on October 12, 2023, 07:27:38 AMMeh, I don't think too much of them anyway. They're more like the Phillies, if you ask me (either they'll get agonizingly close or suck real bad).Quote from: Henry on October 11, 2023, 09:41:48 PMWhat about Cleveland?
This season at Camden Yards ends the same way the other 31 did, with no World Series played there. Needless to say, having last played in a Fall Classic 40 years ago (and won too), the Orioles are the new Cubs, with a curse placed squarely on them that has no end in sight.
If the Phillies and Diamondbacks win their respective series (and it looks like the Phillies will after going up 2-1 on the Braves), there'll be no more 100-win teams left standing.
Maybe the Cubs would be more appropriate? What you said would apply to the Phillies at the end of the '70s (at that point they had never won the WS).
But since then --- not including this year (this year's result not known yet), they have been to the WS 6 times since (and including) 1980 and won twice.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 13, 2023, 09:27:45 PM
Post by: Henry on October 13, 2023, 09:27:45 PM
I just remembered, the Pirates have not won a World Series since 1979, so they own the longest title drought among the pre-expansion NL teams. But then we have the Padres and Pilots/Brewers, who were both founded a full decade earlier and still have zero championships, so they probably could be tied for the longest current drought overall in the NL.
On the AL side, you have the Senators/Rangers, founded in 1961 and also never winning it all (although they can still get a golden opportunity to end that narrative if they somehow get past the Astros in the ALCS). The Indians/Guardians parallel the Phillies in that their only two World Series titles were won exactly 28 years apart (Cleveland winning in 1920 and 1948, and Philly in 1980 and 2008), so the Phillies are a much better comparison (especially when you consider that they had not won a championship until '80).
On the AL side, you have the Senators/Rangers, founded in 1961 and also never winning it all (although they can still get a golden opportunity to end that narrative if they somehow get past the Astros in the ALCS). The Indians/Guardians parallel the Phillies in that their only two World Series titles were won exactly 28 years apart (Cleveland winning in 1920 and 1948, and Philly in 1980 and 2008), so the Phillies are a much better comparison (especially when you consider that they had not won a championship until '80).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: epzik8 on October 14, 2023, 05:13:13 PM
Post by: epzik8 on October 14, 2023, 05:13:13 PM
Silly me predicting an Orioles-Braves World Series for this year. I don't know ball at all.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Buck87 on October 15, 2023, 08:43:50 AM
Post by: Buck87 on October 15, 2023, 08:43:50 AM
Quote from: Big John on October 13, 2023, 11:06:21 AM
Saw a blurb that every team that knocked the Brewers out of a playoff series has made it to the World Series.
It is true. The D-Backs have quite a streak to uphold.
1981 - lost in ALDS to Yankees (lost WS)
1982 - lost in World Series to Cardinals
2008 - lost in NLDS to Phillies (won WS)
2011 - lost in NLCS to Cardinals (won WS)
2018 - lost in NLCS to Dodgers (lost WS)
2019 - lost in NLWCG to Nationals (Won WS)
2020 - lost in NLWCS to Dodgers (Won WS)
2021 - lost in NLDS to Braves (Won WS)
2023 - lost in NLWCS to Diamondbacks (TBD)
*Edited to add 1981
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jgb191 on October 15, 2023, 11:25:09 AM
Post by: jgb191 on October 15, 2023, 11:25:09 AM
Quote from: Hunty2022 on October 11, 2023, 10:03:21 PM
Astros to their 7TH STRAIGHT ALCS!!
Even the Yankees never pulled that off in their century-long history.
This is the first time ever both Texas teams are playing against each other.....hoping for a great series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on October 15, 2023, 11:26:44 AM
Post by: Big John on October 15, 2023, 11:26:44 AM
Quote from: jgb191 on October 15, 2023, 11:25:09 AMA bit misleading as the ALCS began in 1969.Quote from: Hunty2022 on October 11, 2023, 10:03:21 PM
Astros to their 7TH STRAIGHT ALCS!!
Even the Yankees never pulled that off in their century-long history.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 15, 2023, 12:36:16 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 15, 2023, 12:36:16 PM
Quote from: jgb191 on October 15, 2023, 11:25:09 AMWell the League Championship Series has only been around for 55 seasons. The Yankees have been to the World Series five straight years twice and have won five straight World Series titles. I don't see that being done again.Quote from: Hunty2022 on October 11, 2023, 10:03:21 PM
Astros to their 7TH STRAIGHT ALCS!!
Even the Yankees never pulled that off in their century-long history.
This is the first time ever both Texas teams are playing against each other.....hoping for a great series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jgb191 on October 15, 2023, 02:12:11 PM
Post by: jgb191 on October 15, 2023, 02:12:11 PM
So I guess when people say the Cleveland Browns never went to a Super Bowl, what they're really saying is that the Browns won eight Championships in the NFL.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on October 15, 2023, 02:25:38 PM
Post by: Big John on October 15, 2023, 02:25:38 PM
Quote from: jgb191 on October 15, 2023, 02:12:11 PMActually the first 4 were not in the NFL.
So I guess when people say the Cleveland Browns never went to a Super Bowl, what they're really saying is that the Browns won eight Championships in the NFL.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 16, 2023, 01:07:32 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 16, 2023, 01:07:32 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on October 15, 2023, 08:43:50 AMQuote from: Big John on October 13, 2023, 11:06:21 AM
Saw a blurb that every team that knocked the Brewers out of a playoff series has made it to the World Series.
It is true. The D-Backs have quite a streak to uphold.
1982 - lost in World Series to Cardinals
2008 - lost in NLDS to Phillies (won WS)
2011 - lost in NLCS to Cardinals (won WS)
2018 - lost in NLCS to Dodgers (lost WS)
2019 - lost in NLWCG to Nationals (Won WS)
2020 - lost in NLWCS to Dodgers (Won WS)
2021 - lost in NLDS to Braves (Won WS)
2023 - lost in NLWCS to Diamondbacks (TBD)
We are kingmakers in Brew City. :-D
Rangers blanked the 'stros in game 1. Interesting play in the 8th with Altuve getting doubled up on a ball caught at the warning track because he had rounded second by half a step before turning back, but failed to touch the base again before making it back to first.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tmoore952 on October 16, 2023, 02:11:22 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on October 16, 2023, 02:11:22 PM
Quote from: Henry on October 13, 2023, 09:27:45 PM
I just remembered, the Pirates have not won a World Series since 1979, so they own the longest title drought among the pre-expansion NL teams. But then we have the Padres and Pilots/Brewers, who were both founded a full decade earlier and still have zero championships, so they probably could be tied for the longest current drought overall in the NL.
On the AL side, you have the Senators/Rangers, founded in 1961 and also never winning it all (although they can still get a golden opportunity to end that narrative if they somehow get past the Astros in the ALCS). The Indians/Guardians parallel the Phillies in that their only two World Series titles were won exactly 28 years apart (Cleveland winning in 1920 and 1948, and Philly in 1980 and 2008), so the Phillies are a much better comparison (especially when you consider that they had not won a championship until '80).
But not recently. That was my point. There aren't too many people around who meaningfully remember before 1940, when the Cubs won all but 1 of their championships, and all but 2 of their NL pennants.
The Rangers were within one out (and one strike) of winning the WS in 2011, with the lead, but lost that game (Game 6) and eventually the series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jgb191 on October 16, 2023, 07:52:09 PM
Post by: jgb191 on October 16, 2023, 07:52:09 PM
Rangers have taken both games at Minute Maid Park and return home up 2-0. Game Two was a nail-biter for the second half of the game. After falling behind by four runs in the first inning, it was a mountain-climb for the Astros but fell just short by one run. The Astros had a chance to burst the dam in the fifth innings with bases loaded, but you got to give the Rangers pitching a lot of credit for holding on to the lead.
If the Astros want to take a anything positive out of this: this matchup has been very good to the road team; the Astros won six of seven games at Arlington this summer. And if the NBA history has something to offer: the road team has won the majority of playoff games in all the Texas series.
If the Astros want to take a anything positive out of this: this matchup has been very good to the road team; the Astros won six of seven games at Arlington this summer. And if the NBA history has something to offer: the road team has won the majority of playoff games in all the Texas series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 16, 2023, 11:17:47 PM
Post by: Henry on October 16, 2023, 11:17:47 PM
Quote from: jgb191 on October 16, 2023, 07:52:09 PMTwo more games and justice will be served!
Rangers have taken both games at Minute Maid Park and return home up 2-0. Game Two was a nail-biter for the second half of the game. After falling behind by four runs in the first inning, it was a mountain-climb for the Astros but fell just short by one run. The Astros had a chance to burst the dam in the fifth innings with bases loaded, but you got to give the Rangers pitching a lot of credit for holding on to the lead.
If the Astros want to take a anything positive out of this: this matchup has been very good to the road team; the Astros won six of seven games at Arlington this summer. And if the NBA history has something to offer: the road team has won the majority of playoff games in all the Texas series.
Meanwhile, the Phillies are celebrating a win in their NLCS opener against the Diamondbacks. And although they say you can't script October, these two LCS series are shaping up to be the best in a good long while. (Remember 2003, when we missed out on a Cubs-Red Sox matchup in the World Series?)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jgb191 on October 19, 2023, 11:32:06 PM
Post by: jgb191 on October 19, 2023, 11:32:06 PM
Quote from: Henry on October 16, 2023, 11:17:47 PMQuote from: jgb191 on October 16, 2023, 07:52:09 PMTwo more games and justice will be served!
Rangers have taken both games at Minute Maid Park and return home up 2-0. Game Two was a nail-biter for the second half of the game. After falling behind by four runs in the first inning, it was a mountain-climb for the Astros but fell just short by one run. The Astros had a chance to burst the dam in the fifth innings with bases loaded, but you got to give the Rangers pitching a lot of credit for holding on to the lead.
If the Astros want to take a anything positive out of this: this matchup has been very good to the road team; the Astros won six of seven games at Arlington this summer. And if the NBA history has something to offer: the road team has won the majority of playoff games in all the Texas series.
You predicted correctly....you are right about that! Justice is indeed served in the form of a tie series 2-2. Now the Astros unfortunately have re-acquired home field dis-advantage, which means the Rangers now have the upper hand.
Now Henry, if you were looking for justice in a different form of an Astros elimination, you'll have to wait until Monday when the Astros lose Game Seven. And Yes I do fully expect the Rangers to knock out my Astros in the ALCS in seven games. My prediction is that the Astros win Game Five in Arlington and the Rangers return to Houston and close it out winning Games Six and Seven back in Minute Maid stadium to advance to their first World Series since 2011. Besides that, you didn't seem to remember that before last year, the Astros were eliminated five straight years since 2017.
As anybody from Texas will tell you that in an all-Texas playoff series, you do not want your team to play at home; the road teams tend to have a big advantage over the home teams (historically speaking) as has been the case in the NBA and apparently now the MLB too. Having been to several playoff games throughout my years featuring both teams from Texas, I have seen the capacity crowd is usually split almost evenly between fans of the home and visiting teams.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tmoore952 on October 20, 2023, 01:36:43 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on October 20, 2023, 01:36:43 PM
Quote from: jgb191 on October 19, 2023, 11:32:06 PMQuote from: Henry on October 16, 2023, 11:17:47 PMQuote from: jgb191 on October 16, 2023, 07:52:09 PMTwo more games and justice will be served!
Rangers have taken both games at Minute Maid Park and return home up 2-0. Game Two was a nail-biter for the second half of the game. After falling behind by four runs in the first inning, it was a mountain-climb for the Astros but fell just short by one run. The Astros had a chance to burst the dam in the fifth innings with bases loaded, but you got to give the Rangers pitching a lot of credit for holding on to the lead.
If the Astros want to take a anything positive out of this: this matchup has been very good to the road team; the Astros won six of seven games at Arlington this summer. And if the NBA history has something to offer: the road team has won the majority of playoff games in all the Texas series.
You predicted correctly....you are right about that! Justice is indeed served in the form of a tie series 2-2. Now the Astros unfortunately have re-acquired home field dis-advantage, which means the Rangers now have the upper hand.
Now Henry, if you were looking for justice in a different form of an Astros elimination, you'll have to wait until Monday when the Astros lose Game Seven. And Yes I do fully expect the Rangers to knock out my Astros in the ALCS in seven games. My prediction is that the Astros win Game Five in Arlington and the Rangers return to Houston and close it out winning Games Six and Seven back in Minute Maid stadium to advance to their first World Series since 2011. Besides that, you didn't seem to remember that before last year, the Astros were eliminated five straight years since 2017.
So far the ALCS home field advantage is playing out just like the 2019 WS.
disclosure - I lived in Philadelphia until 2000 (saw all the Phillies post-1975 successes and failures), and then moved to DC, which was 5 years prior to the Nationals getting there. As a result, I am a dual Phillies/Nationals fan (to the extent that is possible). It's been easy for the 19 years thus far since it's never been the case that the Phillies and Nationals have been good at the same time. WRT to the former Nationals who are now Phillies, I only have an issue with Harper, since he is the only one who left voluntarily - vice trade (although I now also know they had a deal to trade Harper the summer before he left, but that was vetoed by the Nationals management). I am rooting for the Phillies at this point in these playoffs, and I know whatever happens Harper will likely have a big hand in their fate, but it is still hard for me to root for Harper.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jgb191 on October 20, 2023, 05:48:16 PM
Post by: jgb191 on October 20, 2023, 05:48:16 PM
1996 World Series between Braves/Yankees went something like that....the road team dominating in that series. 2019 Nationals/Astros was the another time like that with the road team winning every game. The Nationals winning 2019 was a feel-good story in sports that year by putting on gutsy performances in games six and seven while visiting Minute Maid stadium and ending their drought.
1995 NBA Western Conference Championship Rockets/Spurs made the term home court disadvantage famous as coined by NBC commentator Bill Walton as the visting team dominated that series as well and the home teams looking completely and utterly hapless.
1995 NBA Western Conference Championship Rockets/Spurs made the term home court disadvantage famous as coined by NBC commentator Bill Walton as the visting team dominated that series as well and the home teams looking completely and utterly hapless.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jgb191 on October 20, 2023, 08:47:04 PM
Post by: jgb191 on October 20, 2023, 08:47:04 PM
The Astros were in this same situation back four years ago in the 2019 World Series sweeping all three games in Washington up 3 games to 2 over Nationals and returning home to Houston; the entire World saw what happened after that in the last two games of that series in Minute Maid Park. Let's keep that in mind as the Astros return home again up 3-2 games over the Rangers in the ALCS. The Astros are going to have their toughest challenge Sunday night in Game Six and very likely even Monday night in Game Seven. This series is still far from over!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 20, 2023, 10:53:09 PM
Post by: Henry on October 20, 2023, 10:53:09 PM
Quote from: jgb191 on October 20, 2023, 05:48:16 PMThe main difference was that the home team won the deciding game of the 1995 WCF and 1996 World Series, both in Game 6. IIRC, the last time one side completely shut out the other in a seven-game series before 2019 was the 1991 World Series, in which the home team won all seven times. I remember seeing the late, great Kirby Puckett hitting the walkoff HR off Atlanta's Charlie Leibrandt that denied the Braves a chance to clinch in Minneapolis and set up a marathon Game 7, also won by the Twins. And Jack Buck uttered one of the most famous closing lines: "We will see you tomorrow night!"
1996 World Series between Braves/Yankees went something like that....the road team dominating in that series. 2019 Nationals/Astros was the another time like that with the road team winning every game. The Nationals winning 2019 was a feel-good story in sports that year by putting on gutsy performances in games six and seven while visiting Minute Maid stadium and ending their drought.
1995 NBA Western Conference Championship Rockets/Spurs made the term home court disadvantage famous as coined by NBC commentator Bill Walton as the visting team dominated that series as well and the home teams looking completely and utterly hapless.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tmoore952 on October 23, 2023, 10:54:35 AM
Post by: tmoore952 on October 23, 2023, 10:54:35 AM
Texas-Houston going to 7 games means they get the prime time TV spot tonight, while Arizona-Philly is at 5 PM (and that was TBD until last night's Texas-Houston game ended!).
Personally, as a Philly fan on the East Coast (but not in Philly), I don't have a problem with them starting at 5 PM, and that is actually preferable from my perspective, since it should be decided by 8 or 9 PM unless it goes massive numbers of extra innings. I will miss the first part of the game due to work, but I won't miss the entire game.
But as a former season ticket holder, things like this would drive me crazy. And Arizona viewers get hosed too, since for them the game now starts at 2 PM.
I know why this is the case, no one needs to reiterate this. I am very very glad that tonight is the last night that a game will not start at 8 PM Eastern/5 PM Pacific.
Personally, as a Philly fan on the East Coast (but not in Philly), I don't have a problem with them starting at 5 PM, and that is actually preferable from my perspective, since it should be decided by 8 or 9 PM unless it goes massive numbers of extra innings. I will miss the first part of the game due to work, but I won't miss the entire game.
But as a former season ticket holder, things like this would drive me crazy. And Arizona viewers get hosed too, since for them the game now starts at 2 PM.
I know why this is the case, no one needs to reiterate this. I am very very glad that tonight is the last night that a game will not start at 8 PM Eastern/5 PM Pacific.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jgb191 on October 23, 2023, 11:37:59 PM
Post by: jgb191 on October 23, 2023, 11:37:59 PM
Congratulations to the Rangers and to their fans/supporters all over our great state of Texas. Astros had a good season seven consecutive years of the ALCS is no easy task and a lot to be proud of. Even my home town in Corpus Christi there are thousands of Rangers fan celebrating and I tip my hat to their team; the Rangers deserve it, and I join the Rangers fan in cheering the AL Champions in bringing their first ever World Series trophy across the state.
On another note, there needs to be a new rule introduced that the team with the better record or tiebreaker gets to choose whether they want home field for the majority of the series or defer to their opponents. I'm fairly certain that the Astros would have wanted to defer home field to the Rangers; the result probably could have been different.
On another note, there needs to be a new rule introduced that the team with the better record or tiebreaker gets to choose whether they want home field for the majority of the series or defer to their opponents. I'm fairly certain that the Astros would have wanted to defer home field to the Rangers; the result probably could have been different.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jgb191 on October 23, 2023, 11:48:33 PM
Post by: jgb191 on October 23, 2023, 11:48:33 PM
Quote from: jgb191 on October 19, 2023, 11:32:06 PM
Now the Astros unfortunately have re-acquired home field dis-advantage, which means the Rangers now have the upper hand.
I do fully expect the Rangers to knock out my Astros in the ALCS in seven games. My prediction is that the Astros win Game Five in Arlington and the Rangers return to Houston and close it out winning Games Six and Seven back in Minute Maid stadium to advance to their first World Series since 2011.
Unfortunately when I'm right....I'm right. This series was so predictable.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 24, 2023, 07:16:47 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on October 24, 2023, 07:16:47 PM
Now let's see who'll go against the Rangers between Philly and Arizona.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 24, 2023, 10:27:14 PM
Post by: Henry on October 24, 2023, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: Henry on October 20, 2023, 10:53:09 PMIIRC, the last time one side completely shut out the other in a seven-game series before 2019 was the 1991 World Series, in which the home team won all seven times. I remember seeing the late, great Kirby Puckett hitting the walkoff HR off Atlanta's Charlie Leibrandt that denied the Braves a chance to clinch in Minneapolis and set up a marathon Game 7, also won by the Twins. And Jack Buck uttered one of the most famous closing lines: "We will see you tomorrow night!"Wrong on that one! It was actually the 2001 World Series, with the Diamondbacks and Yankees winning all their home games. But Arizona ended up winning the series, since it had home-field advantage. Coincidentally, this thought just came to me as the current bunch is seeking to end its 22-year absence on the big stage.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KeithE4Phx on October 25, 2023, 12:07:44 AM
Post by: KeithE4Phx on October 25, 2023, 12:07:44 AM
Quote from: Henry on October 24, 2023, 10:27:14 PMQuote from: Henry on October 20, 2023, 10:53:09 PMIIRC, the last time one side completely shut out the other in a seven-game series before 2019 was the 1991 World Series, in which the home team won all seven times. I remember seeing the late, great Kirby Puckett hitting the walkoff HR off Atlanta's Charlie Leibrandt that denied the Braves a chance to clinch in Minneapolis and set up a marathon Game 7, also won by the Twins. And Jack Buck uttered one of the most famous closing lines: "We will see you tomorrow night!"
Wrong on that one! It was actually the 2001 World Series, with the Diamondbacks and Yankees winning all their home games. But Arizona ended up winning the series, since it had home-field advantage. Coincidentally, this thought just came to me as the current bunch is seeking to end its 22-year absence on the big stage.
And that is exactly what they did. The D'backs and Rangers meet in Game 1 of the World Series on Friday night. Nobody thought the D'backs would get in at all (the Reds and Cubs had to choke for them to make it), let alone get to the Big Dance.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on October 25, 2023, 01:16:27 AM
Post by: Big John on October 25, 2023, 01:16:27 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on October 15, 2023, 08:43:50 AMand the streak continues.Quote from: Big John on October 13, 2023, 11:06:21 AM
Saw a blurb that every team that knocked the Brewers out of a playoff series has made it to the World Series.
It is true. The D-Backs have quite a streak to uphold.
1982 - lost in World Series to Cardinals
2008 - lost in NLDS to Phillies (won WS)
2011 - lost in NLCS to Cardinals (won WS)
2018 - lost in NLCS to Dodgers (lost WS)
2019 - lost in NLWCG to Nationals (Won WS)
2020 - lost in NLWCS to Dodgers (Won WS)
2021 - lost in NLDS to Braves (Won WS)
2023 - lost in NLWCS to Diamondbacks (TBD)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Buck87 on October 25, 2023, 08:28:32 AM
Post by: Buck87 on October 25, 2023, 08:28:32 AM
Quote from: Big John on October 25, 2023, 01:16:27 AMQuote from: Buck87 on October 15, 2023, 08:43:50 AMand the streak continues.Quote from: Big John on October 13, 2023, 11:06:21 AM
Saw a blurb that every team that knocked the Brewers out of a playoff series has made it to the World Series.
It is true. The D-Backs have quite a streak to uphold.
1982 - lost in World Series to Cardinals
2008 - lost in NLDS to Phillies (won WS)
2011 - lost in NLCS to Cardinals (won WS)
2018 - lost in NLCS to Dodgers (lost WS)
2019 - lost in NLWCG to Nationals (Won WS)
2020 - lost in NLWCS to Dodgers (Won WS)
2021 - lost in NLDS to Braves (Won WS)
2023 - lost in NLWCS to Diamondbacks (TBD)
Yep.
Also, I realize that I left one off this list by accident, the one that started it all:
1981 - lost in ALDS to Yankees (lost WS)
That means the pattern for the Milwaukee defeating team once they reach the WS has been: L-WWW-L-WWW-TBD. If that pattern hold that means the Dbacks are doomed to lose this series to the Rangers.
However, Arizona does have their own good omen in place to combat this:
In 2001 Randy Johnson hit a bird with a ball during spring training. He was also the starting pitcher for the NL in the All-Star game, which was played in Seattle. The Diamondbacks went on to win the World Series.
In 2023 Zac Gallen hit a bird with a ball during spring training. He was also the starting pitcher for the NL in the All-Star game, which was played in Seattle. The Diamondbacks are in the World Series, result TBD.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 25, 2023, 10:04:01 PM
Post by: Henry on October 25, 2023, 10:04:01 PM
Not that it matters now, but 1987 was the first World Series to have one side completely shut out the other (as in the home team winning all seven times). The Twins won all four of their games in Minneapolis, but lost all three in St. Louis.
I'll be rooting for the Rangers to finally break through and win their first-ever World Series. Hopefully, the six-plus decades of heartbreak will all be worth it.
I'll be rooting for the Rangers to finally break through and win their first-ever World Series. Hopefully, the six-plus decades of heartbreak will all be worth it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 25, 2023, 10:06:17 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 25, 2023, 10:06:17 PM
The 13 years I had living in Phoenix ought to make my rooting interest clear.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hunty2022 on October 25, 2023, 10:51:03 PM
Post by: Hunty2022 on October 25, 2023, 10:51:03 PM
Astros Manager Dusty Baker is retiring.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tchafe1978 on October 26, 2023, 12:10:43 AM
Post by: tchafe1978 on October 26, 2023, 12:10:43 AM
I don't have a huge rooting interest in the series this year, even though the D-backs beat my Brewers. I'm just glad there are teams besides the Astros, Braves, or Dodgers in it, and hopefully we'll get a good seven game series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 26, 2023, 11:19:12 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 26, 2023, 11:19:12 AM
Quote from: Hunty2022 on October 25, 2023, 10:51:03 PMGood I'm tired of seeing these 70+ year old managers. He should have retired several years ago.
Astros Manager Dusty Baker is retiring.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on October 26, 2023, 11:20:27 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on October 26, 2023, 11:20:27 AM
The 1987 World Series was rigged due to the Metrodome and them turning fans on and off. I'm so happy that dump is gone what a horrible place to watch a baseball game.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gonealookin on October 26, 2023, 01:22:56 PM
Post by: gonealookin on October 26, 2023, 01:22:56 PM
A solid group of modern-era broadcasters makes up this year's list of nominees for the Ford C. Frick Award (https://baseballhall.org/frickaward2024). Three work in San Francisco and Oakland; Krukow and Kuiper might logically go in as a team.
QuoteThe 10 finalists for the 2024 Frick Award are: Joe Buck, Joe Castiglione, Gary Cohen, Jacques Doucet, Tom Hamilton, Ernie Johnson Sr., Ken Korach, Mike Krukow, Duane Kuiper and Dan Shulman.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tmoore952 on October 27, 2023, 01:03:51 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on October 27, 2023, 01:03:51 PM
Not that interested in the World Series now that my Phillies have been eliminated. However, it'll be nice this year not to lose a week's worth of evenings, which one especially regrets afterwards if your team loses (as the Phillies did last year).
I generally root for teams that I have not seen win the WS. So this year I am rooting for Texas, since I saw Arizona win in 2001.
I live near DC. But I was not living near DC when the Rangers were the Senators (and for baseball at least, I do not remember that far back anyway) so that is a non-factor for me.
EDIT - Whether or not I have a rooting interest, I do try to watch the last couple innings of WS elimination games. It's nice to be able to knowingly converse (decades later) about sudden WS endings (1993), or unexpected WS endings (2001), or unexpected WS non-endings (1986 and 2011 come to mind). I did not watch the end of 2002 (SF-LA Angels) and I wish I had since that turned very late.
But any engagement I have before that will only occur if I am killing time (e.g., waiting for the 11:00 news).
I generally root for teams that I have not seen win the WS. So this year I am rooting for Texas, since I saw Arizona win in 2001.
I live near DC. But I was not living near DC when the Rangers were the Senators (and for baseball at least, I do not remember that far back anyway) so that is a non-factor for me.
EDIT - Whether or not I have a rooting interest, I do try to watch the last couple innings of WS elimination games. It's nice to be able to knowingly converse (decades later) about sudden WS endings (1993), or unexpected WS endings (2001), or unexpected WS non-endings (1986 and 2011 come to mind). I did not watch the end of 2002 (SF-LA Angels) and I wish I had since that turned very late.
But any engagement I have before that will only occur if I am killing time (e.g., waiting for the 11:00 news).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on October 28, 2023, 10:05:08 AM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on October 28, 2023, 10:05:08 AM
Quote from: gonealookin on October 26, 2023, 01:22:56 PM
A solid group of modern-era broadcasters makes up this year's list of nominees for the Ford C. Frick Award (https://baseballhall.org/frickaward2024). Three work in San Francisco and Oakland; Krukow and Kuiper might logically go in as a team.QuoteThe 10 finalists for the 2024 Frick Award are: Joe Buck, Joe Castiglione, Gary Cohen, Jacques Doucet, Tom Hamilton, Ernie Johnson Sr., Ken Korach, Mike Krukow, Duane Kuiper and Dan Shulman.
I hope Joe Castiglione and Ernie Johnson in particular get in.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 30, 2023, 10:08:49 AM
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 30, 2023, 10:08:49 AM
Series moves to the desert tonight, tied. Game one was entertaining if you just like baseball and don't have a dog in the fight. Game two was a lot less dramatic with AZ in control the whole time.
And this made me laugh last week:
https://www.theonion.com/diamondbacks-owner-admits-nothing-will-top-beating-yank-1850964114 (https://www.theonion.com/diamondbacks-owner-admits-nothing-will-top-beating-yank-1850964114)
And this made me laugh last week:
https://www.theonion.com/diamondbacks-owner-admits-nothing-will-top-beating-yank-1850964114 (https://www.theonion.com/diamondbacks-owner-admits-nothing-will-top-beating-yank-1850964114)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 30, 2023, 10:00:23 PM
Post by: Henry on October 30, 2023, 10:00:23 PM
Former Senator and Ranger Frank Howard died today at age 87, so this is likely going to motivate the Rangers to win one for him. As for the article, I can believe the Diamondbacks' owner saying that nothing will ever top beating the Yankees in their first time around. If you don't want to click the link, I'll give you the full transcript:
(Personally, as a Cubs fan, I'll say that nothing will ever come close to them winning their first World Series in 108 years, and also that because I got to see it occur once in my life, I don't give a shit if the Cubs win any more championships after that.)
QuoteARLINGTON, TX—When asked about whether he was looking forward to his team's upcoming World Series matchup against the Texas Rangers, Arizona Diamondbacks owner Ken Kendrick admitted to reporters Friday that nothing would ever top his team beating the New York Yankees right after 9/11. "Sure, winning another World Series would be nice, but it won't hold a candle to winning against that post-9/11 Yankees team that for once had all of America behind them," said Kendrick, adding that he would never forget the looks on the faces of New Yorkers who were searching for something hopeful in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and had those hopes dashed completely. "Honestly, not making it to the World Series for over 20 years has been absolutely worth the wait, given how we took the wind right out of their sails. They had the president come throw out the first pitch and had all this patriotic support because people felt bad for New York for once, and our team went out there and basically stomped on the heart of America. It was the one time people would have been okay with the Yankees winning, and we didn't let them. When Luis Gonzalez hit that bloop single to win Game 7 in a walk-off and we prevented the nation from healing from 9/11 in some small way, well, that's a feeling that no World Series will likely ever eclipse." Kendrick added that beating the Yankees after 9/11 gave him all the satisfaction he needs in a lifetime, and so he doesn't give a shit whether or not the Diamondbacks win this World Series.
(Personally, as a Cubs fan, I'll say that nothing will ever come close to them winning their first World Series in 108 years, and also that because I got to see it occur once in my life, I don't give a shit if the Cubs win any more championships after that.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on October 31, 2023, 11:35:23 PM
Post by: Henry on October 31, 2023, 11:35:23 PM
And now the Rangers are just one win away from claiming their first title...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on November 01, 2023, 03:24:27 PM
Post by: mgk920 on November 01, 2023, 03:24:27 PM
Quote from: Henry on October 31, 2023, 11:35:23 PM
And now the Rangers are just one win away from claiming their first title...
And they can do it at home, while Jerry Jones and the Cowboys can only look on and watch from their nearby digs.
Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on November 01, 2023, 06:09:29 PM
Post by: Alps on November 01, 2023, 06:09:29 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on November 01, 2023, 03:24:27 PMI'd rather they run their record streak to 11-0 away.Quote from: Henry on October 31, 2023, 11:35:23 PM
And now the Rangers are just one win away from claiming their first title...
And they can do it at home, while Jerry Jones and the Cowboys can only look on and watch from their nearby digs.
Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hunty2022 on November 01, 2023, 07:18:51 PM
Post by: Hunty2022 on November 01, 2023, 07:18:51 PM
Quote from: Alps on November 01, 2023, 06:09:29 PMQuote from: mgk920 on November 01, 2023, 03:24:27 PMI'd rather they run their record streak to 11-0 away.Quote from: Henry on October 31, 2023, 11:35:23 PM
And now the Rangers are just one win away from claiming their first title...
And they can do it at home, while Jerry Jones and the Cowboys can only look on and watch from their nearby digs.
Mike
I'd rather see the Dbacks win on Saturday.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on November 01, 2023, 09:44:41 PM
Post by: Henry on November 01, 2023, 09:44:41 PM
To all the Ranger fans, let's not get too comfortable yet: We all remember what happened to the Yankees when they were just one win away from wrapping up their fourth consecutive title and had two chances to do so in Phoenix...and then the unthinkable happened.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tmoore952 on November 01, 2023, 10:15:58 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on November 01, 2023, 10:15:58 PM
Quote from: Henry on November 01, 2023, 09:44:41 PM
To all the Ranger fans, let's not get too comfortable yet: We all remember what happened to the Yankees when they were just one win away from wrapping up their fourth consecutive title and had two chances to do so in Phoenix...and then the unthinkable happened.
Or what happened to the Rangers themselves in 2011. One out (not sure if one strike) away in Game 6, and they lost that game and Game 7.
Last week I heard Tim Cowlishaw (Dallas panelist on Around the Horn) say that no Dallas area based team has won a championship in Dallas (Stars and Mavericks --> Cowboys of course played neutral site SBs). He would like to see them win the WS (if they win it) at home. But if I was a Ranger fan, especially after what happened in 2011, I'd want them to win ASAP, home or not.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hunty2022 on November 01, 2023, 11:02:25 PM
Post by: Hunty2022 on November 01, 2023, 11:02:25 PM
Texas Rangers WIN THE WORLD SERIES!!!!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tmoore952 on November 01, 2023, 11:06:29 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on November 01, 2023, 11:06:29 PM
Congrats to Texas. Glad to see them get that 2011 monkey off their back.
One less team for me to root for due to my having never seen them win a WS.
For me, that is six teams.
Indians (Guardians), Padres, Brewers, Mariners, Rays, Rockies
Only the Indians have won before (last time 1948), and the Indians were very close in 97 and 16.
One less team for me to root for due to my having never seen them win a WS.
For me, that is six teams.
Indians (Guardians), Padres, Brewers, Mariners, Rays, Rockies
Only the Indians have won before (last time 1948), and the Indians were very close in 97 and 16.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KeithE4Phx on November 01, 2023, 11:26:27 PM
Post by: KeithE4Phx on November 01, 2023, 11:26:27 PM
Quote from: Hunty2022 on November 01, 2023, 11:02:25 PM
Texas Rangers WIN THE WORLD SERIES!!!!
Props to them. Both teams pitched well in this game, but the D'backs just flat out ran out of gas. But they're young, and will contend again next season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Road Hog on November 02, 2023, 01:30:18 AM
Post by: Road Hog on November 02, 2023, 01:30:18 AM
Mariners are the only existing team left that has never even made it to a World Series. Surprising because the 2001 Mariners won 116 games and had one of the greatest regular seasons ever .... and lost to a Yankee team that would drop to the D-backs.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on November 02, 2023, 08:47:48 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on November 02, 2023, 08:47:48 AM
Fun stat of the day: With the Texas Rangers' win last night, the Dallas-area team with the longest championship drought is now the Cowboys.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on November 02, 2023, 02:24:26 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on November 02, 2023, 02:24:26 PM
Gotta be frustrating loss for Arizona. So many base runners stranded while their starter was putting on a clinic through six.
I think I've seen at least 10 teams win their first World Series in my life by now.
And now my team is the oldest franchise without one.
I think I've seen at least 10 teams win their first World Series in my life by now.
And now my team is the oldest franchise without one.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 02, 2023, 02:34:37 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 02, 2023, 02:34:37 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on November 02, 2023, 02:24:26 PM
Gotta be frustrating loss for Arizona. So many base runners stranded while their starter was putting on a clinic through six.
I think I've seen at least 10 teams win their first World Series in my life by now.
And now my team is the oldest franchise without one.
Last 10 first time winners:
Texas Rangers (Washington Senators) 2023
Washington Nationals (Montreal Expos) 2019
Houston Astros 2017
Los Angeles Angels (Anaheim Angels, California Angels) 2002
Arizona Diamondbacks 2001
Miami Marlins (Florida Marlins) 1997
Toronto Blue Jays 1992
Kansas City Royals 1985
Philadelphia Phillies 1980
New York Mets 1969
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tmoore952 on November 02, 2023, 04:37:55 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on November 02, 2023, 04:37:55 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on November 02, 2023, 02:24:26 PM
And now my team is the oldest franchise without one.
How so? San Diego and Seattle/Milwaukee both started in 1969. Wouldn't they both be the oldest? And San Diego has had a team since 1969, and Milwaukee "only" since 1970 (in 1969 they were the Seattle Pilots). Milwaukee the city did win with the Braves in 1957.
I had to modify what I wrote once I figured out you were a Brewers fan (a couple pages back).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on November 03, 2023, 12:44:50 AM
Post by: Henry on November 03, 2023, 12:44:50 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 02, 2023, 02:34:37 PMIt's ironic how the last two first-time champions have ties to the nation's capital. One started out as a replacement for the team that had moved to Minnesota, and the other is the current team that came over from Montreal.Quote from: triplemultiplex on November 02, 2023, 02:24:26 PM
Gotta be frustrating loss for Arizona. So many base runners stranded while their starter was putting on a clinic through six.
I think I've seen at least 10 teams win their first World Series in my life by now.
And now my team is the oldest franchise without one.
Last 10 first time winners:
Texas Rangers (Washington Senators) 2023
Washington Nationals (Montreal Expos) 2019
Houston Astros 2017
Los Angeles Angels (Anaheim Angels, California Angels) 2002
Arizona Diamondbacks 2001
Miami Marlins (Florida Marlins) 1997
Toronto Blue Jays 1992
Kansas City Royals 1985
Philadelphia Phillies 1980
New York Mets 1969
But all in all, the Rangers deserved that title. And furthermore, they complete the championship grand slam for Dallas-Ft. Worth (with the Cowboys, Stars and Mavericks having also won in previous years).
Seattle Mariners, you're on the clock!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on November 03, 2023, 11:49:29 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on November 03, 2023, 11:49:29 AM
Quote from: Henry on November 03, 2023, 12:44:50 AMIt's been quite awhile since the Cowboys, Stars and Mavericks have won anything.Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 02, 2023, 02:34:37 PMIt's ironic how the last two first-time champions have ties to the nation's capital. One started out as a replacement for the team that had moved to Minnesota, and the other is the current team that came over from Montreal.Quote from: triplemultiplex on November 02, 2023, 02:24:26 PM
Gotta be frustrating loss for Arizona. So many base runners stranded while their starter was putting on a clinic through six.
I think I've seen at least 10 teams win their first World Series in my life by now.
And now my team is the oldest franchise without one.
Last 10 first time winners:
Texas Rangers (Washington Senators) 2023
Washington Nationals (Montreal Expos) 2019
Houston Astros 2017
Los Angeles Angels (Anaheim Angels, California Angels) 2002
Arizona Diamondbacks 2001
Miami Marlins (Florida Marlins) 1997
Toronto Blue Jays 1992
Kansas City Royals 1985
Philadelphia Phillies 1980
New York Mets 1969
But all in all, the Rangers deserved that title. And furthermore, they complete the championship grand slam for Dallas-Ft. Worth (with the Cowboys, Stars and Mavericks having also won in previous years).
Seattle Mariners, you're on the clock!
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Stephane Dumas on November 03, 2023, 01:27:57 PM
Post by: Stephane Dumas on November 03, 2023, 01:27:57 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on November 03, 2023, 11:49:29 AMQuote from: Henry on November 03, 2023, 12:44:50 AMIt's been quite awhile since the Cowboys, Stars and Mavericks have won anything.Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 02, 2023, 02:34:37 PMIt's ironic how the last two first-time champions have ties to the nation's capital. One started out as a replacement for the team that had moved to Minnesota, and the other is the current team that came over from Montreal.Quote from: triplemultiplex on November 02, 2023, 02:24:26 PM
Gotta be frustrating loss for Arizona. So many base runners stranded while their starter was putting on a clinic through six.
I think I've seen at least 10 teams win their first World Series in my life by now.
And now my team is the oldest franchise without one.
Last 10 first time winners:
Texas Rangers (Washington Senators) 2023
Washington Nationals (Montreal Expos) 2019
Houston Astros 2017
Los Angeles Angels (Anaheim Angels, California Angels) 2002
Arizona Diamondbacks 2001
Miami Marlins (Florida Marlins) 1997
Toronto Blue Jays 1992
Kansas City Royals 1985
Philadelphia Phillies 1980
New York Mets 1969
But all in all, the Rangers deserved that title. And furthermore, they complete the championship grand slam for Dallas-Ft. Worth (with the Cowboys, Stars and Mavericks having also won in previous years).
Seattle Mariners, you're on the clock!
In the case of the Stars, some fans in Buffalo still have hard time to swallow Brett Hull's "No goal".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUR_yE3iDNQ
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on November 03, 2023, 01:59:39 PM
Post by: mgk920 on November 03, 2023, 01:59:39 PM
Just think, in abut 3.5 months or so, pitchers and catchers report.
:clap:
Mike
:clap:
Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: jgb191 on November 03, 2023, 10:29:38 PM
Post by: jgb191 on November 03, 2023, 10:29:38 PM
Great to see both Texas' (Astros and Rangers) MLB teams win a World Series at least once during my lifetime, even cooler that it happened in consecutive years. Both teams combined for five of the last seven AL pennants.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on November 03, 2023, 11:24:54 PM
Post by: Henry on November 03, 2023, 11:24:54 PM
Quote from: jgb191 on November 03, 2023, 10:29:38 PMNow that you bring it up, this is the first time since 1988-89 that two different teams from the same state won the World Series: the Dodgers won first and the Athletics followed. In the divisional era, it has happened three times (the first being 1979 and 1980, with the Pirates and Phillies winning in those respective years).
Great to see both Texas' (Astros and Rangers) MLB teams win a World Series at least once during my lifetime, even cooler that it happened in consecutive years. Both teams combined for five of the last seven AL pennants.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 04, 2023, 08:17:46 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 04, 2023, 08:17:46 AM
Quote from: Henry on November 03, 2023, 11:24:54 PMQuote from: jgb191 on November 03, 2023, 10:29:38 PMNow that you bring it up, this is the first time since 1988-89 that two different teams from the same state won the World Series: the Dodgers won first and the Athletics followed. In the divisional era, it has happened three times (the first being 1979 and 1980, with the Pirates and Phillies winning in those respective years).
Great to see both Texas' (Astros and Rangers) MLB teams win a World Series at least once during my lifetime, even cooler that it happened in consecutive years. Both teams combined for five of the last seven AL pennants.
Before the divisional era, it happened in 1906-07 in Illinois, and probably in New York at some point before the Giants and Dodgers both moved.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Buck87 on November 04, 2023, 09:21:52 AM
Post by: Buck87 on November 04, 2023, 09:21:52 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 04, 2023, 08:17:46 AMQuote from: Henry on November 03, 2023, 11:24:54 PMQuote from: jgb191 on November 03, 2023, 10:29:38 PMNow that you bring it up, this is the first time since 1988-89 that two different teams from the same state won the World Series: the Dodgers won first and the Athletics followed. In the divisional era, it has happened three times (the first being 1979 and 1980, with the Pirates and Phillies winning in those respective years).
Great to see both Texas' (Astros and Rangers) MLB teams win a World Series at least once during my lifetime, even cooler that it happened in consecutive years. Both teams combined for five of the last seven AL pennants.
Before the divisional era, it happened in 1906-07 in Illinois, and probably in New York at some point before the Giants and Dodgers both moved.
If we're going for each year having a different champion from the same state, the best one is 3 straight from New York
1954 New York Giants
1955 Brooklyn Dodgers
....and then take your pick of whether you want to add the 1953 Yankees to the front of that or add the 1956 Yankees to the back of it.
Throw in the Yankees from 1949 to 1952 and you have 8 straight New York titles with all 3 teams having at least one.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 1995hoo on November 04, 2023, 04:08:35 PM
Post by: 1995hoo on November 04, 2023, 04:08:35 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 04, 2023, 08:17:46 AMQuote from: Henry on November 03, 2023, 11:24:54 PMQuote from: jgb191 on November 03, 2023, 10:29:38 PMNow that you bring it up, this is the first time since 1988-89 that two different teams from the same state won the World Series: the Dodgers won first and the Athletics followed. In the divisional era, it has happened three times (the first being 1979 and 1980, with the Pirates and Phillies winning in those respective years).
Great to see both Texas' (Astros and Rangers) MLB teams win a World Series at least once during my lifetime, even cooler that it happened in consecutive years. Both teams combined for five of the last seven AL pennants.
Before the divisional era, it happened in 1906-07 in Illinois, and probably in New York at some point before the Giants and Dodgers both moved.
Full list:
1906–08 Illinois (Sox, Cubs, Cubs)
1909–11 Pennsylvania (Pirates, Athletics, Athletics)
1914–16 (Braves, Red Sox, Red Sox)
1919–20 (Reds, Indians)
1921–23 (Giants, Giants, Yankees)
1932–33 (Yankees, Giants)
1949–56 (Yankees, Yankees, Yankees, Yankees, Yankees, Giants, Dodgers, Yankees)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on November 06, 2023, 06:48:49 PM
Post by: Alps on November 06, 2023, 06:48:49 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 04, 2023, 04:08:35 PMthat last line brings me to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5REQuote from: NWI_Irish96 on November 04, 2023, 08:17:46 AMQuote from: Henry on November 03, 2023, 11:24:54 PMQuote from: jgb191 on November 03, 2023, 10:29:38 PMNow that you bring it up, this is the first time since 1988-89 that two different teams from the same state won the World Series: the Dodgers won first and the Athletics followed. In the divisional era, it has happened three times (the first being 1979 and 1980, with the Pirates and Phillies winning in those respective years).
Great to see both Texas' (Astros and Rangers) MLB teams win a World Series at least once during my lifetime, even cooler that it happened in consecutive years. Both teams combined for five of the last seven AL pennants.
Before the divisional era, it happened in 1906-07 in Illinois, and probably in New York at some point before the Giants and Dodgers both moved.
Full list:
1906–08 Illinois (Sox, Cubs, Cubs)
1909–11 Pennsylvania (Pirates, Athletics, Athletics)
1914–16 (Braves, Red Sox, Red Sox)
1919–20 (Reds, Indians)
1921–23 (Giants, Giants, Yankees)
1932–33 (Yankees, Giants)
1949–56 (Yankees, Yankees, Yankees, Yankees, Yankees, Giants, Dodgers, Yankees)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KeithE4Phx on November 06, 2023, 09:55:52 PM
Post by: KeithE4Phx on November 06, 2023, 09:55:52 PM
In a move that was a complete surprise, the Cubs have fired manager David Ross and hired Brewers manager Craig Counsell. Counsell's contract had expired after the Brewers were swept by the Diamondbacks in the NLWCS.
https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/mlb/chicago-cubs/cubs-news/cubs-officially-fire-david-ross-hire-craig-counsell-as-manager/517108/
https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/mlb/chicago-cubs/cubs-news/cubs-officially-fire-david-ross-hire-craig-counsell-as-manager/517108/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on November 06, 2023, 10:22:34 PM
Post by: Henry on November 06, 2023, 10:22:34 PM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on November 06, 2023, 09:55:52 PMEven I was shocked to hear the news. Nonetheless, welcome to the North Side, Craig Counsell!
In a move that was a complete surprise, the Cubs have fired manager David Ross and hired Brewers manager Craig Counsell. Counsell's contract had expired after the Brewers were swept by the Diamondbacks in the NLWCS.
https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/mlb/chicago-cubs/cubs-news/cubs-officially-fire-david-ross-hire-craig-counsell-as-manager/517108/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on November 07, 2023, 07:23:56 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on November 07, 2023, 07:23:56 AM
I never understood the obsession over David Ross. It was like they got him to be Jon Lester's personal catcher, he only played in 139 games in two seasons with the Cubs and hit .203 with a .304 OBP and .351 SLG% he wasn't good at all. He had like one good season in Cincinnati but other than that he was a backup catcher and nothing special. So why did the Cubs obsess over this guy so much?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on November 07, 2023, 02:19:54 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on November 07, 2023, 02:19:54 PM
Quote from: Henry on November 06, 2023, 10:22:34 PMQuote from: KeithE4Phx on November 06, 2023, 09:55:52 PMEven I was shocked to hear the news. Nonetheless, welcome to the North Side, Craig Counsell!
In a move that was a complete surprise, the Cubs have fired manager David Ross and hired Brewers manager Craig Counsell. Counsell's contract had expired after the Brewers were swept by the Diamondbacks in the NLWCS.
https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/mlb/chicago-cubs/cubs-news/cubs-officially-fire-david-ross-hire-craig-counsell-as-manager/517108/
I'm more than a little pissed.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KeithE4Phx on November 07, 2023, 10:09:44 PM
Post by: KeithE4Phx on November 07, 2023, 10:09:44 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on November 07, 2023, 07:23:56 AM
I never understood the obsession over David Ross. It was like they got him to be Jon Lester's personal catcher, he only played in 139 games in two seasons with the Cubs and hit .203 with a .304 OBP and .351 SLG% he wasn't good at all. He had like one good season in Cincinnati but other than that he was a backup catcher and nothing special. So why did the Cubs obsess over this guy so much?
He's a good guy, and relates to players well. I do think he could become a very good manager in time, but putting him on the spot with the fading Cubs was not a good move. He'll land on his feet, either as a bench coach or a minor league manager for a few years.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tmoore952 on November 09, 2023, 06:58:56 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on November 09, 2023, 06:58:56 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on November 07, 2023, 02:19:54 PMQuote from: Henry on November 06, 2023, 10:22:34 PMQuote from: KeithE4Phx on November 06, 2023, 09:55:52 PMEven I was shocked to hear the news. Nonetheless, welcome to the North Side, Craig Counsell!
In a move that was a complete surprise, the Cubs have fired manager David Ross and hired Brewers manager Craig Counsell. Counsell's contract had expired after the Brewers were swept by the Diamondbacks in the NLWCS.
https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/mlb/chicago-cubs/cubs-news/cubs-officially-fire-david-ross-hire-craig-counsell-as-manager/517108/
I'm more than a little pissed.
The thing I would worry about from a Milwaukee perspective, is that Counsell uses his knowledge of the Brewers -- to the Cubs advantage and the Brewers detriment.
The big parallel I see here (as a longtime Phillies fan) was when Dallas Green left the Phillies managerial job to become the Cubs general manager between 1981 and 1982 seasons. Prior to being Phillies manager, Green had been the longtime (~10 years) Phillies farm director. One of the first things he did as Cubs general manager was to trade with the Phillies to get Ryne Sandburg, who went on to have a HOF career. Green knew what was there, and the Phillies were dumb enough to be duped.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on November 10, 2023, 08:21:55 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on November 10, 2023, 08:21:55 AM
Quote from: tmoore952 on November 09, 2023, 06:58:56 PMWow that is insane. The Phillies were stupid in that case.Quote from: triplemultiplex on November 07, 2023, 02:19:54 PMQuote from: Henry on November 06, 2023, 10:22:34 PMQuote from: KeithE4Phx on November 06, 2023, 09:55:52 PMEven I was shocked to hear the news. Nonetheless, welcome to the North Side, Craig Counsell!
In a move that was a complete surprise, the Cubs have fired manager David Ross and hired Brewers manager Craig Counsell. Counsell's contract had expired after the Brewers were swept by the Diamondbacks in the NLWCS.
https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/mlb/chicago-cubs/cubs-news/cubs-officially-fire-david-ross-hire-craig-counsell-as-manager/517108/
I'm more than a little pissed.
The thing I would worry about from a Milwaukee perspective, is that Counsell uses his knowledge of the Brewers -- to the Cubs advantage and the Brewers detriment.
The big parallel I see here (as a longtime Phillies fan) was when Dallas Green left the Phillies managerial job to become the Cubs general manager between 1981 and 1982 seasons. Prior to being Phillies manager, Green had been the longtime (~10 years) Phillies farm director. One of the first things he did as Cubs general manager was to trade with the Phillies to get Ryne Sandburg, who went on to have a HOF career. Green knew what was there, and the Phillies were dumb enough to be duped.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on November 10, 2023, 12:36:29 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on November 10, 2023, 12:36:29 PM
This feels like the start of a return to the wilderness for Milwaukee. Really bad timing as the state legislature is debating how to throw some more money at Miller Park to get another 20 years out of it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on November 11, 2023, 01:12:05 AM
Post by: Henry on November 11, 2023, 01:12:05 AM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on November 07, 2023, 10:09:44 PMAlso, he won the 2016 World Series with them, and is the last remaining link to that roster. I really like him, and it's just unfortunate that he had to see his tenure end the way it did, especially at the cost of stealing a rival manager. I wish him the best of luck in his next job, whatever that may be.Quote from: Flint1979 on November 07, 2023, 07:23:56 AM
I never understood the obsession over David Ross. It was like they got him to be Jon Lester's personal catcher, he only played in 139 games in two seasons with the Cubs and hit .203 with a .304 OBP and .351 SLG% he wasn't good at all. He had like one good season in Cincinnati but other than that he was a backup catcher and nothing special. So why did the Cubs obsess over this guy so much?
He's a good guy, and relates to players well. I do think he could become a very good manager in time, but putting him on the spot with the fading Cubs was not a good move. He'll land on his feet, either as a bench coach or a minor league manager for a few years.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on November 11, 2023, 08:23:24 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on November 11, 2023, 08:23:24 AM
R.I.P. to both these guys. The late great Ernie Harwell and the late Jim Price.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOJIuymppFo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOJIuymppFo
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on November 22, 2023, 09:25:44 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on November 22, 2023, 09:25:44 AM
R I P. Willie Hernandez. Detroit remembers you
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tmoore952 on December 08, 2023, 06:39:02 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on December 08, 2023, 06:39:02 PM
Surprised there hasn't been even a little chatter about the baseball winter meetings, but so be it.
I'm sure there's some news today of which I am not aware yet (meaning where Ohtani is headed) but I'll find out later.
Wanted to mention Juan Soto being traded to the Yankees. That should help his power numbers, being left handed and the short right field wall there. I had hoped that he would take San Diego places, but I guess that was not meant to be.
Being a Washington fan, I hope Soto is successful. I have much less animosity towards him than I do to Harper. Prior to the Nationals coming to DC, I was a Phillies fan for 30 years --- I still root for them as well, but not because of Harper.
I'm sure there's some news today of which I am not aware yet (meaning where Ohtani is headed) but I'll find out later.
Wanted to mention Juan Soto being traded to the Yankees. That should help his power numbers, being left handed and the short right field wall there. I had hoped that he would take San Diego places, but I guess that was not meant to be.
Being a Washington fan, I hope Soto is successful. I have much less animosity towards him than I do to Harper. Prior to the Nationals coming to DC, I was a Phillies fan for 30 years --- I still root for them as well, but not because of Harper.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PM
Post by: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PM
Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract. :wow:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tmoore952 on December 09, 2023, 05:54:12 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on December 09, 2023, 05:54:12 PM
I heard this an hour ago, still trying to process my feelings.
Happy for Ohtani, he gets to stay on the West Coast which is where I thought he always wanted to be.
But this blows up the free agent market like no other deal has.
Happy for Ohtani, he gets to stay on the West Coast which is where I thought he always wanted to be.
But this blows up the free agent market like no other deal has.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on December 09, 2023, 09:42:02 PM
Post by: Alps on December 09, 2023, 09:42:02 PM
Quote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PMYeah, that's a couple hundred million too high for any reason. Sure he's a huge name right now, but the injuries are a factor and I can't help but think this is an all-time historic bust.
Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract. :wow:
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: dlsterner on December 09, 2023, 10:06:49 PM
Post by: dlsterner on December 09, 2023, 10:06:49 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 09, 2023, 09:42:02 PMQuote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PMYeah, that's a couple hundred million too high for any reason. Sure he's a huge name right now, but the injuries are a factor and I can't help but think this is an all-time historic bust.
Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract. :wow:
Even though I feel the Dodgers won't get $700M of on-field value out of Ohtani, that will be offset by what the team should recoup in licensing fees for merchandise sale. You know there's going to be a ton of Ohtani Dodger jerseys sold.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on December 09, 2023, 11:11:00 PM
Post by: Takumi on December 09, 2023, 11:11:00 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on December 09, 2023, 10:06:49 PMQuote from: Alps on December 09, 2023, 09:42:02 PMQuote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PMYeah, that's a couple hundred million too high for any reason. Sure he's a huge name right now, but the injuries are a factor and I can't help but think this is an all-time historic bust.
Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract. :wow:
Even though I feel the Dodgers won't get $700M of on-field value out of Ohtani, that will be offset by what the team should recoup in licensing fees for merchandise sale. You know there's going to be a ton of Ohtani Dodger jerseys sold.
About an hour after it was announced, the Dodgers team store sent out a sign-up list for when Ohtani merchandise becomes available.
It's noteworthy that the Dodgers haven't officially announced the deal yet; they don't have the space on their 40-man roster yet.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hunty2022 on December 09, 2023, 11:15:54 PM
Post by: Hunty2022 on December 09, 2023, 11:15:54 PM
Quote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PM
Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract. :wow:
LA Dodgers just won the 2024 World Series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 10, 2023, 10:40:05 AM
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 10, 2023, 10:40:05 AM
Quote from: Hunty2022 on December 09, 2023, 11:15:54 PMQuote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PM
Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract. :wow:
LA Dodgers just won the 2024 World Series.
However, he will not even pitch in 2024.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: brad2971 on December 10, 2023, 11:39:35 AM
Post by: brad2971 on December 10, 2023, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: Hunty2022 on December 09, 2023, 11:15:54 PMQuote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PM
Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract. :wow:
LA Dodgers just won the 2024 World Series.
Not as long as "Playoff Kershaw" is a factor.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tmoore952 on December 10, 2023, 12:01:53 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on December 10, 2023, 12:01:53 PM
Quote from: brad2971 on December 10, 2023, 11:39:35 AMQuote from: Hunty2022 on December 09, 2023, 11:15:54 PMQuote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PM
Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract. :wow:
LA Dodgers just won the 2024 World Series.
Not as long as "Playoff Kershaw" is a factor.
After thinking about this:
As a fan of a smaller market (or maybe the better term is "non-juggernaut") team, I can only hope the Dodgers don't see success with this model. And while I said in a previous post that I am happy for Ohtani, that was more on a personal level (he seemed to always prefer the West Coast). I can't in good faith wish him success on the field.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on December 10, 2023, 12:13:20 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on December 10, 2023, 12:13:20 PM
Quote from: Hunty2022 on December 09, 2023, 11:15:54 PMSounds like what Bryce Harper said right after the Nationals signed Max Scherzer. Nothing is guaranteed.Quote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PM
Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract. :wow:
LA Dodgers just won the 2024 World Series.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on December 10, 2023, 12:18:28 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on December 10, 2023, 12:18:28 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on December 10, 2023, 12:01:53 PMMe either. I'd love to see the Dodgers miss the playoffs. To me they are worse than the Yankees ever were now.Quote from: brad2971 on December 10, 2023, 11:39:35 AMQuote from: Hunty2022 on December 09, 2023, 11:15:54 PMQuote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PM
Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract. :wow:
LA Dodgers just won the 2024 World Series.
Not as long as "Playoff Kershaw" is a factor.
After thinking about this:
As a fan of a smaller market (or maybe the better term is "non-juggernaut") team, I can only hope the Dodgers don't see success with this model. And while I said in a previous post that I am happy for Ohtani, that was more on a personal level (he seemed to always prefer the West Coast). I can't in good faith wish him success on the field.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on December 10, 2023, 07:56:48 PM
Post by: Alps on December 10, 2023, 07:56:48 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on December 09, 2023, 10:06:49 PMYou can look at Jeter for that. $240 million at the time was huge and he was not one of the top 10 players in baseball, but he was consistently good and a favorite around here, and we ALL knew that he made up the extra money in other merchandise because he is so beloved in the NYC area. I don't see it working quite as well for Ohtani.Quote from: Alps on December 09, 2023, 09:42:02 PMQuote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PMYeah, that's a couple hundred million too high for any reason. Sure he's a huge name right now, but the injuries are a factor and I can't help but think this is an all-time historic bust.
Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract. :wow:
Even though I feel the Dodgers won't get $700M of on-field value out of Ohtani, that will be offset by what the team should recoup in licensing fees for merchandise sale. You know there's going to be a ton of Ohtani Dodger jerseys sold.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on December 11, 2023, 10:46:32 AM
Post by: Takumi on December 11, 2023, 10:46:32 AM
Quote from: brad2971 on December 10, 2023, 11:39:35 AMQuote from: Hunty2022 on December 09, 2023, 11:15:54 PMQuote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PM
Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract. :wow:
LA Dodgers just won the 2024 World Series.
Not as long as "Playoff Kershaw" is a factor.
Kersh may not even pitch next year. He had shoulder surgery last month (https://www.mlb.com/news/clayton-kershaw-shoulder-surgery) and hopes to return in the summer, but setbacks happen. The Orioles' John Means didn't return from TJS until September this year instead of the originally planned July because he pulled a back muscle in May. (I went to a AA game in Richmond in August and Means was on rehab assignment. He didn't pitch that day, but he was in the dugout. I did see Cedric Mullins and Jackson Holliday, though.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on December 11, 2023, 09:56:17 PM
Post by: Takumi on December 11, 2023, 09:56:17 PM
The Ohtani signing is official.
https://twitter.com/Dodgers/status/1734395865425719641/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1734395865425719641¤tTweetUser=Dodgers
https://twitter.com/Dodgers/status/1734395865425719641/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1734395865425719641¤tTweetUser=Dodgers
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on December 11, 2023, 10:00:07 PM
Post by: Henry on December 11, 2023, 10:00:07 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on December 10, 2023, 12:18:28 PMThere's no denying that Ohtani is one of the greatest talents the game has ever seen, but in my view, he is not worth $700 million. One player does not a team make, and it's going to take a lot more than a double-threat to contend for a championship. Look at Michael Jordan: How many championships did he win before Scottie Pippen and Phil Jackson came along? (A big, fat donut hole!)Quote from: tmoore952 on December 10, 2023, 12:01:53 PMMe either. I'd love to see the Dodgers miss the playoffs. To me they are worse than the Yankees ever were now.Quote from: brad2971 on December 10, 2023, 11:39:35 AMQuote from: Hunty2022 on December 09, 2023, 11:15:54 PMQuote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PM
Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract. :wow:
LA Dodgers just won the 2024 World Series.
Not as long as "Playoff Kershaw" is a factor.
After thinking about this:
As a fan of a smaller market (or maybe the better term is "non-juggernaut") team, I can only hope the Dodgers don't see success with this model. And while I said in a previous post that I am happy for Ohtani, that was more on a personal level (he seemed to always prefer the West Coast). I can't in good faith wish him success on the field.
The Dodgers can go bankrupt for all I care, and let's just leave it at that.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on December 12, 2023, 07:05:13 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on December 12, 2023, 07:05:13 AM
When a handful of teams can spend more on one player than other teams spend on an entire roster, the system is horribly broken. I've always wondered why the majority of teams who are set up for failure don't force changes, but then that would risk giving up the huge profits they get on the backs of the richest teams.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tmoore952 on December 16, 2023, 12:00:15 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on December 16, 2023, 12:00:15 PM
Quote from: Henry on December 11, 2023, 10:00:07 PM
The Dodgers can go bankrupt for all I care, and let's just leave it at that.
I share your sentiment completely (never been a Dodgers fan, this dates back to 1977 NLCS). However, it's been reported that most of the Ohtani money is deferred to about 10 or 20 years from now. This won't bankrupt them in the short term.
In the short term (2024), they need pitching, badly. Ohtani out, Kershaw (who knows), Tyler Glastnow who they signed yesterday hasn't pitched that many innings in any single year.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on December 16, 2023, 08:33:43 PM
Post by: Alps on December 16, 2023, 08:33:43 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on December 16, 2023, 12:00:15 PMThe Mets have enough of a rep for the Bonilla deal. This is many, many times that.Quote from: Henry on December 11, 2023, 10:00:07 PM
The Dodgers can go bankrupt for all I care, and let's just leave it at that.
I share your sentiment completely (never been a Dodgers fan, this dates back to 1977 NLCS). However, it's been reported that most of the Ohtani money is deferred to about 10 or 20 years from now. This won't bankrupt them in the short term.
In the short term (2024), they need pitching, badly. Ohtani out, Kershaw (who knows), Tyler Glastnow who they signed yesterday hasn't pitched that many innings in any single year.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: dlsterner on December 17, 2023, 12:15:31 AM
Post by: dlsterner on December 17, 2023, 12:15:31 AM
Quote from: Alps on December 16, 2023, 08:33:43 PMQuote from: tmoore952 on December 16, 2023, 12:00:15 PMThe Mets have enough of a rep for the Bonilla deal. This is many, many times that.Quote from: Henry on December 11, 2023, 10:00:07 PM
The Dodgers can go bankrupt for all I care, and let's just leave it at that.
I share your sentiment completely (never been a Dodgers fan, this dates back to 1977 NLCS). However, it's been reported that most of the Ohtani money is deferred to about 10 or 20 years from now. This won't bankrupt them in the short term.
In the short term (2024), they need pitching, badly. Ohtani out, Kershaw (who knows), Tyler Glastnow who they signed yesterday hasn't pitched that many innings in any single year.
Oddly enough, the annual payments to Bobby Bonilla will end just as the Shohei Ohtani payments begin. Replace "Bobby Bonilla Day" with "Shohei Ohtani Day" I suppose.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 21, 2023, 05:55:22 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 21, 2023, 05:55:22 PM
I figured he'd end up on the west coast Yankees (in terms of throwing cash around, not necessarily in winning all the time.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on December 22, 2023, 12:41:10 PM
Post by: Takumi on December 22, 2023, 12:41:10 PM
And now Yoshinobu Yamamoto is also joining them.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 28, 2023, 12:33:59 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 28, 2023, 12:33:59 PM
Must be pretty nice to have a billion dollars to spend on two players.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on December 28, 2023, 10:18:45 PM
Post by: Henry on December 28, 2023, 10:18:45 PM
Apparently, the Japanese love the Dodgers, which goes all the way back to Hideo Nomo from three decades ago. First they sign Ohtani, and now they get Yamamoto.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on December 29, 2023, 08:06:21 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on December 29, 2023, 08:06:21 AM
I hope the Dodgers miss the playoffs every year. I'll support the Diamondbacks in that division.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on January 10, 2024, 07:54:59 PM
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on January 10, 2024, 07:54:59 PM
Some Hot Stove baseball history, Yankee Stadium, home of the New York Yankees, and the Polo Grounds, home of the New York Giants.
(https://deadballbaseball.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/aerialview.jpg)
(https://deadballbaseball.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/aerialview.jpg)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on January 11, 2024, 05:05:01 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on January 11, 2024, 05:05:01 PM
Be cool to see that same POV today. Just a look at regular aerials and it's remarkable how much is the same despite the fact that both stadiums and that bridge are gone.
I-87 appears under construction, so I reckon someone can date that image based just on that. ;)
I-87 appears under construction, so I reckon someone can date that image based just on that. ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Alps on January 11, 2024, 10:28:07 PM
Post by: Alps on January 11, 2024, 10:28:07 PM
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on January 10, 2024, 07:54:59 PMI like you.
Some Hot Stove baseball history, Yankee Stadium, home of the New York Yankees, and the Polo Grounds, home of the New York Giants.
(https://deadballbaseball.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/aerialview.jpg)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 13, 2024, 10:44:19 PM
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 13, 2024, 10:44:19 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on January 11, 2024, 05:05:01 PM
Be cool to see that same POV today. Just a look at regular aerials and it's remarkable how much is the same despite the fact that both stadiums and that bridge are gone.
I-87 appears under construction, so I reckon someone can date that image based just on that. ;)
Considering that the Polo Grounds was torn down in 1964
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on January 16, 2024, 11:11:50 PM
Post by: Henry on January 16, 2024, 11:11:50 PM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 13, 2024, 10:44:19 PMI never knew that those two ballparks were that close to each other! So the Giants (Mets too, in their first two seasons) and Yankees were practically neighbors because their respective stadiums were basically a short cross-river trip away .Quote from: triplemultiplex on January 11, 2024, 05:05:01 PM
Be cool to see that same POV today. Just a look at regular aerials and it's remarkable how much is the same despite the fact that both stadiums and that bridge are gone.
I-87 appears under construction, so I reckon someone can date that image based just on that. ;)
Considering that the Polo Grounds was torn down in 1964
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: davewiecking on January 17, 2024, 09:23:08 AM
Post by: davewiecking on January 17, 2024, 09:23:08 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on January 11, 2024, 05:05:01 PMThe Major Deegan predates I-87, putting this photo in the early-mid 50's. Yankee Stadium configured for baseball, but possibly some fresh sod in the middle of what would have been the football field. Can't tell what's inside the Polo Grounds.
Be cool to see that same POV today. Just a look at regular aerials and it's remarkable how much is the same despite the fact that both stadiums and that bridge are gone.
I-87 appears under construction, so I reckon someone can date that image based just on that. ;)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on January 17, 2024, 02:15:46 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on January 17, 2024, 02:15:46 PM
Quote from: Henry on January 16, 2024, 11:11:50 PMI had always known where the Polo Grounds were. The Yankees of course played there before Yankee Stadium was built and built the ballpark right across the river from the Polo Grounds.Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 13, 2024, 10:44:19 PMI never knew that those two ballparks were that close to each other! So the Giants (Mets too, in their first two seasons) and Yankees were practically neighbors because their respective stadiums were basically a short cross-river trip away .Quote from: triplemultiplex on January 11, 2024, 05:05:01 PM
Be cool to see that same POV today. Just a look at regular aerials and it's remarkable how much is the same despite the fact that both stadiums and that bridge are gone.
I-87 appears under construction, so I reckon someone can date that image based just on that. ;)
Considering that the Polo Grounds was torn down in 1964
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: SectorZ on January 23, 2024, 06:44:54 PM
Post by: SectorZ on January 23, 2024, 06:44:54 PM
Adrián Beltré, Joe Mauer, and Todd Helton all in to the BBHOF for 2024.
Things that never pissed me off so hard as a Red Sox was the Sox bringing in Beltré for one year, watch him be an elite player and culture fit, only to let him walk.
Things that never pissed me off so hard as a Red Sox was the Sox bringing in Beltré for one year, watch him be an elite player and culture fit, only to let him walk.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tmoore952 on January 23, 2024, 08:48:48 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on January 23, 2024, 08:48:48 PM
I stopped collecting baseball cards around 1995, which is long enough that younger inductees are now young enough that I don't have any baseball cards of them.
This is the case with all of three inductees. I thought Helton was an original Colorado Rockie, but I am wrong. He didn't start until 1997.
This is the case with all of three inductees. I thought Helton was an original Colorado Rockie, but I am wrong. He didn't start until 1997.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on January 24, 2024, 07:21:39 AM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on January 24, 2024, 07:21:39 AM
Baseball Hall of Fame Class of 2024:
https://www.mlb.com/news/2024-baseball-hall-of-fame-election-results
https://www.mlb.com/news/2024-baseball-hall-of-fame-election-results
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 25, 2024, 12:54:04 AM
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 25, 2024, 12:54:04 AM
Quote from: tmoore952 on January 23, 2024, 08:48:48 PM
I stopped collecting baseball cards around 1995, which is long enough that younger inductees are now young enough that I don't have any baseball cards of them.
This is the case with all of three inductees. I thought Helton was an original Colorado Rockie, but I am wrong. He didn't start until 1997.
Helton replaced Andres Gallaragra at 1st base for the Rockies.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: bing101 on January 30, 2024, 09:31:29 PM
Post by: bing101 on January 30, 2024, 09:31:29 PM
https://apnews.com/article/baltimore-orioles-david-rubenstein-sale-dffd7b500dc97d432ad1e739df656a67
David Rubenstein has a deal to buy the Baltimore Orioles for $1.725 billion, AP source says
David Rubenstein has a deal to buy the Baltimore Orioles for $1.725 billion, AP source says
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on January 31, 2024, 11:57:01 PM
Post by: Henry on January 31, 2024, 11:57:01 PM
Looks like the A's are stuck between a rock and a hard place. With this season potentially being their last in Oakland, they're exploring lots of options as to a temporary home until their new Las Vegas ballpark can open, like Sacramento and Salt Lake City. The latter could follow Oklahoma City's NBA blueprint, where the then-New Orleans Hornets played for two seasons after Hurricane Katrina damaged their home building and it paved the way for the Seattle SuperSonics to become the Thunder. Plus, Salt Lake City is far more interested in hosting a new MLB team than Sacramento is.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on February 01, 2024, 05:43:33 AM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on February 01, 2024, 05:43:33 AM
More on the A's/Tropicana:
https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/mlb/oakland-athletics/tropicana-las-vegas-demolition-ballpark-construction/1698031/
https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/mlb/oakland-athletics/tropicana-las-vegas-demolition-ballpark-construction/1698031/
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gonealookin on February 01, 2024, 03:52:41 PM
Post by: gonealookin on February 01, 2024, 03:52:41 PM
Quote from: Henry on January 31, 2024, 11:57:01 PM
Looks like the A's are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
An alternative to a rock or a hard place is a graveyard. For what it's worth, a Sacramento sports talk radio station floated a rumor (https://sactownsports.com/source-oakland-as-dont-find-a-home-they-could-disband-until-las-vegas/) that the A's could go on hiatus for three seasons until the new park in Vegas is completed.
QuoteA Bay Area source told Sactown Sports' Allen Stiles that the idea of ceasing operations between 2025 through 2027 has been floated.
"So basically, between 2025 and 2027, Major League Baseball would run with 29 teams. And when 2028 comes around, they would basically do an expansion draft," Stiles said. "Those players would be able to sign with other teams... and then we refresh everything in 2028 in Vegas."
There would be some logistical issues in that, not the least of which being the scheduling for the other 29 teams, with the odd one having several days off in a row due to lack of an opponent. They are going to lose a pile of money for the three years wherever they play. There's no reason anyone in Oakland or San Francisco would pay to see them play, and in Sacramento, Salt Lake City or the Las Vegas Aviators' park in Summerlin the attendance would be low due to capacity of the ballpark. They also lose a lot of television revenue if they choose something other than the empty-seats options of the Oakland Coliseum or the Giants' Oracle Park. So while it's kind of absurd on the surface I can see the logic in at least brainstorming the franchise hiatus idea.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tmoore952 on February 01, 2024, 09:27:47 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on February 01, 2024, 09:27:47 PM
WRT to A's new stadium on the site of the Tropicana Hotel in Las Vegas:
(1) I'll always remember that hotel as where I had a very hot streak playing blackjack one night (1994). Won about 12 hands in a row, and several hundred dollars. I remember the pit bosses looking at me like I was counting cards -- but I wasn't, I just got very lucky. I haven't played in about 15 years, but still remember the basic strategies.
(2) If memory serves this site is not far from the airport. Maybe it'll be like the old Shea Stadium, where you heard planes going over the stadium when listening on the radio or watching on TV.
Montreal Expos for a while played in Puerto Rico. So there is precedent for the A's situation, with the exception that Montreal didn't know it was being relocated several years in advance. They should go play in a town that doesn't have MLB, like Portland Oregon, or Reno Nevada. I'd assume they'd want to be at least in the same time zone, partly for scheduling reasons for the other teams.
(1) I'll always remember that hotel as where I had a very hot streak playing blackjack one night (1994). Won about 12 hands in a row, and several hundred dollars. I remember the pit bosses looking at me like I was counting cards -- but I wasn't, I just got very lucky. I haven't played in about 15 years, but still remember the basic strategies.
(2) If memory serves this site is not far from the airport. Maybe it'll be like the old Shea Stadium, where you heard planes going over the stadium when listening on the radio or watching on TV.
Montreal Expos for a while played in Puerto Rico. So there is precedent for the A's situation, with the exception that Montreal didn't know it was being relocated several years in advance. They should go play in a town that doesn't have MLB, like Portland Oregon, or Reno Nevada. I'd assume they'd want to be at least in the same time zone, partly for scheduling reasons for the other teams.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gonealookin on February 01, 2024, 09:46:40 PM
Post by: gonealookin on February 01, 2024, 09:46:40 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on February 01, 2024, 09:27:47 PM
WRT to A's new stadium on the site of the Tropicana Hotel in Las Vegas:
(2) If memory serves this site is not far from the airport. Maybe it'll be like the old Shea Stadium, where you heard planes going over the stadium when listening on the radio or watching on TV.
There won't be any plane noise. The site is the red square at the southeast corner of the existing Tropicana property, so the ballpark won't be directly on the Strip but will be on the back side of whatever new buildings replace the Tropicana. It's not anywhere near in line with the runway approach or takeoff routes. In any case, after discussing a retractable roof ballpark extensively, they seem to have concluded what everybody thought months ago, that they can't fit a retractable roof design on a nine-acre parcel. It looks like they are going with a fixed roof with windows on the side looking out toward the MGM Grand and New York New York, something like the windows the Miami Marlins ballpark has.
(https://i.imgur.com/j2D1C6o.jpg)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tmoore952 on February 01, 2024, 09:56:49 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on February 01, 2024, 09:56:49 PM
Quote from: gonealookin on February 01, 2024, 09:46:40 PMQuote from: tmoore952 on February 01, 2024, 09:27:47 PM
WRT to A's new stadium on the site of the Tropicana Hotel in Las Vegas:
(2) If memory serves this site is not far from the airport. Maybe it'll be like the old Shea Stadium, where you heard planes going over the stadium when listening on the radio or watching on TV.
There won't be any plane noise. The site is the red square at the southeast corner of the existing Tropicana property, so the ballpark won't be directly on the Strip but will be on the back side of whatever new buildings replace the Tropicana. It's not anywhere near in line with the runway approach or takeoff routes. In any case, after discussing a retractable roof ballpark extensively, they seem to have concluded what everybody thought months ago, that they can't fit a retractable roof design on a nine-acre parcel. It looks like they are going with a fixed roof with windows on the side looking out toward the MGM Grand and New York New York, something like the windows the Miami Marlins ballpark has.
(https://i.imgur.com/j2D1C6o.jpg)
Maybe not right over the stadium, but that runway at compass bearing 30-210 is not that far away.
(I shouldn't have said "over" for Shea, I'm not sure exactly where they were going. But you could always hear them on radio/TV.
But yes, you reminded me that the new Las Vegas stadium will have a retractable roof.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on February 01, 2024, 10:01:33 PM
Post by: Big John on February 01, 2024, 10:01:33 PM
^^ He said it will likely be a fixed roof now.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on February 01, 2024, 10:22:57 PM
Post by: Henry on February 01, 2024, 10:22:57 PM
The NBA, NHL and even the NFL can get away with having an odd number of teams, but MLB can't. Remember 2001, when contraction was once in the cards for Montreal and Minnesota? After the Twins sued and won, MLB realized that it could not run a schedule with just 29 teams, so something good came out of it: Both teams got new ballparks (Washington--where the former Expos relocated--was first, then Minnesota followed), and the Nationals even won a World Series, ending their city's 95-year drought.
Just wondering: In case the A's do suspend their operations, would their minor-league affiliates do the same, since there'd be no major-league team to which they could promote their players?
Just wondering: In case the A's do suspend their operations, would their minor-league affiliates do the same, since there'd be no major-league team to which they could promote their players?
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on February 02, 2024, 12:44:45 AM
Post by: Takumi on February 02, 2024, 12:44:45 AM
Quote from: bing101 on January 30, 2024, 09:31:29 PM
https://apnews.com/article/baltimore-orioles-david-rubenstein-sale-dffd7b500dc97d432ad1e739df656a67
David Rubenstein has a deal to buy the Baltimore Orioles for $1.725 billion, AP source says
One day later, the Orioles trade for Corbin Burnes. Maybe coincidence, but it sure looks like the new owners are going to be going for it.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on February 02, 2024, 07:30:08 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on February 02, 2024, 07:30:08 AM
Quote from: Henry on February 01, 2024, 10:22:57 PM
The NBA, NHL and even the NFL can get away with having an odd number of teams, but MLB can't. Remember 2001, when contraction was once in the cards for Montreal and Minnesota? After the Twins sued and won, MLB realized that it could not run a schedule with just 29 teams, so something good came out of it: Both teams got new ballparks (Washington--where the former Expos relocated--was first, then Minnesota followed), and the Nationals even won a World Series, ending their city's 95-year drought.
Just wondering: In case the A's do suspend their operations, would their minor-league affiliates do the same, since there'd be no major-league team to which they could promote their players?
Scheduling and the minors are two of many reasons why it's not feasible to just not play for any number of years.
There are plenty of fine AAA parks that seat as much as what the A's average attendance was recently, so they just need to pick one and play there. It may require a AAA team to move for a few years as well.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: brad2971 on February 02, 2024, 07:45:05 AM
Post by: brad2971 on February 02, 2024, 07:45:05 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on February 02, 2024, 07:30:08 AMQuote from: Henry on February 01, 2024, 10:22:57 PM
The NBA, NHL and even the NFL can get away with having an odd number of teams, but MLB can't. Remember 2001, when contraction was once in the cards for Montreal and Minnesota? After the Twins sued and won, MLB realized that it could not run a schedule with just 29 teams, so something good came out of it: Both teams got new ballparks (Washington--where the former Expos relocated--was first, then Minnesota followed), and the Nationals even won a World Series, ending their city's 95-year drought.
Just wondering: In case the A's do suspend their operations, would their minor-league affiliates do the same, since there'd be no major-league team to which they could promote their players?
Scheduling and the minors are two of many reasons why it's not feasible to just not play for any number of years.
There are plenty of fine AAA parks that seat as much as what the A's average attendance was recently, so they just need to pick one and play there. It may require a AAA team to move for a few years as well.
You just described why the A's (soon to be Las Vegas Aviators?) will likely be in that Summerlin ballpark in 2025 for about 3-4 years before the Tropicana ballpark is available. Which means Sunday night baseball from Memorial Day to Labor Day starting at 8PM (Pacific).
And as for the AAA team that's already there: Both Talking Stick in Scottsdale and Tucson's ballpark (which used to have the D-Backs AAA team) are available.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on February 02, 2024, 09:58:54 AM
Post by: triplemultiplex on February 02, 2024, 09:58:54 AM
Quote from: Takumi on February 02, 2024, 12:44:45 AM
One day later, the Orioles trade for Corbin Burnes. Maybe coincidence, but it sure looks like the new owners are going to be going for it.
Interesting trade. Sucks to lose such a high caliber arm, but I seriously doubt Milwaukee would've paid to keep him here after this season so I guess might as well get something for him. Just glad it'll be another year before Burnes ends up on one of the cash-chucker teams.
It's absurd on its face that the A's would literally stop playing until their new
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on February 02, 2024, 11:44:31 PM
Post by: Henry on February 02, 2024, 11:44:31 PM
Quote from: brad2971 on February 02, 2024, 07:45:05 AMI thought the Aviators were going to stay put when the A's moved to Vegas. Teams like Seattle and Atlanta have their AAA affiliates play a short distance away from their home parks, so there is precedent involved.Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on February 02, 2024, 07:30:08 AMQuote from: Henry on February 01, 2024, 10:22:57 PM
The NBA, NHL and even the NFL can get away with having an odd number of teams, but MLB can't. Remember 2001, when contraction was once in the cards for Montreal and Minnesota? After the Twins sued and won, MLB realized that it could not run a schedule with just 29 teams, so something good came out of it: Both teams got new ballparks (Washington--where the former Expos relocated--was first, then Minnesota followed), and the Nationals even won a World Series, ending their city's 95-year drought.
Just wondering: In case the A's do suspend their operations, would their minor-league affiliates do the same, since there'd be no major-league team to which they could promote their players?
Scheduling and the minors are two of many reasons why it's not feasible to just not play for any number of years.
There are plenty of fine AAA parks that seat as much as what the A's average attendance was recently, so they just need to pick one and play there. It may require a AAA team to move for a few years as well.
You just described why the A's (soon to be Las Vegas Aviators?) will likely be in that Summerlin ballpark in 2025 for about 3-4 years before the Tropicana ballpark is available. Which means Sunday night baseball from Memorial Day to Labor Day starting at 8PM (Pacific).
And as for the AAA team that's already there: Both Talking Stick in Scottsdale and Tucson's ballpark (which used to have the D-Backs AAA team) are available.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on February 03, 2024, 08:09:56 AM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on February 03, 2024, 08:09:56 AM
Quote from: Henry on February 02, 2024, 11:44:31 PMQuote from: brad2971 on February 02, 2024, 07:45:05 AMI thought the Aviators were going to stay put when the A's moved to Vegas. Teams like Seattle and Atlanta have their AAA affiliates play a short distance away from their home parks, so there is precedent involved.Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on February 02, 2024, 07:30:08 AMQuote from: Henry on February 01, 2024, 10:22:57 PM
The NBA, NHL and even the NFL can get away with having an odd number of teams, but MLB can't. Remember 2001, when contraction was once in the cards for Montreal and Minnesota? After the Twins sued and won, MLB realized that it could not run a schedule with just 29 teams, so something good came out of it: Both teams got new ballparks (Washington--where the former Expos relocated--was first, then Minnesota followed), and the Nationals even won a World Series, ending their city's 95-year drought.
Just wondering: In case the A's do suspend their operations, would their minor-league affiliates do the same, since there'd be no major-league team to which they could promote their players?
Scheduling and the minors are two of many reasons why it's not feasible to just not play for any number of years.
There are plenty of fine AAA parks that seat as much as what the A's average attendance was recently, so they just need to pick one and play there. It may require a AAA team to move for a few years as well.
You just described why the A's (soon to be Las Vegas Aviators?) will likely be in that Summerlin ballpark in 2025 for about 3-4 years before the Tropicana ballpark is available. Which means Sunday night baseball from Memorial Day to Labor Day starting at 8PM (Pacific).
And as for the AAA team that's already there: Both Talking Stick in Scottsdale and Tucson's ballpark (which used to have the D-Backs AAA team) are available.
They may stay in Vegas as their permanent home, but if the A's use their stadium for a few years, they'd have to find a temporary home.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tmoore952 on February 03, 2024, 12:21:06 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on February 03, 2024, 12:21:06 PM
Quote from: bing101 on January 30, 2024, 09:31:29 PM
https://apnews.com/article/baltimore-orioles-david-rubenstein-sale-dffd7b500dc97d432ad1e739df656a67
David Rubenstein has a deal to buy the Baltimore Orioles for $1.725 billion, AP source says
I suspect that he bought the Orioles, rather than the Nationals (who are also available), because of the TV money deal. To be clear, there are others with him (meaning buyer partners, but I'm not sure of percentages).
I know of and highly respect Rubenstein. This might tip me a bit towards rooting for the Orioles, rather than the Nationals although (being from Philadelphia and then transplanting to Washington), I have always been an NL guy. Part of this had to do with the DH. But the NL uses the DH too now. The Nationals ownership incertainty, as well as their inability to keep and obtain star players is also factoring into this.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: dlsterner on February 03, 2024, 06:15:31 PM
Post by: dlsterner on February 03, 2024, 06:15:31 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 02, 2024, 09:58:54 AMQuote from: Takumi on February 02, 2024, 12:44:45 AM
One day later, the Orioles trade for Corbin Burnes. Maybe coincidence, but it sure looks like the new owners are going to be going for it.
Interesting trade. Sucks to lose such a high caliber arm, but I seriously doubt Milwaukee would've paid to keep him here after this season so I guess might as well get something for him. Just glad it'll be another year before Burnes ends up on one of the cash-chucker teams.
Corbin Burnes is represented by Scott Boras, so the chances are slim to none that Burnes will sign an extension, but rather test free agency.
As an Orioles fan, I do like this trade - even if it is just for one year. Didn't have to give up one of the top prospects. Joey Ortiz has the potential to be very good, but he was blocked by both Henderson and Holliday. Then again, who knows ... maybe the ownership group will make a competitive offer to re-sign Burnes after this season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on February 03, 2024, 07:48:08 PM
Post by: Takumi on February 03, 2024, 07:48:08 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on February 03, 2024, 06:15:31 PMQuote from: triplemultiplex on February 02, 2024, 09:58:54 AMQuote from: Takumi on February 02, 2024, 12:44:45 AM
One day later, the Orioles trade for Corbin Burnes. Maybe coincidence, but it sure looks like the new owners are going to be going for it.
Interesting trade. Sucks to lose such a high caliber arm, but I seriously doubt Milwaukee would've paid to keep him here after this season so I guess might as well get something for him. Just glad it'll be another year before Burnes ends up on one of the cash-chucker teams.
Corbin Burnes is represented by Scott Boras, so the chances are slim to none that Burnes will sign an extension, but rather test free agency.
As an Orioles fan, I do like this trade - even if it is just for one year. Didn't have to give up one of the top prospects. Joey Ortiz has the potential to be very good, but he was blocked by both Henderson and Holliday. Then again, who knows ... maybe the ownership group will make a competitive offer to re-sign Burnes after this season.
Agreed on all points. I think the only way Burnes signs an extension is if it's up there with Gerrit Cole's contract in terms of value. (Personally though, I think the first person to extend should be Adley.)
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on February 04, 2024, 06:37:01 AM
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on February 04, 2024, 06:37:01 AM
The Boston Red Sox have (sort of) brought back wunderkind Theo Epstein as part of the Fenway Sports Group as a part-owner consultant. Epstein helped end the 86-year championship drought for the Red Sox in 2004, and the 108-year curse for the Cubs in 2016. Perhaps his presence will help reverse the malaise which has consumed Red Sox Nation since they have gone full moneyball while having some of the highest prices in the majors. Also, tomorrow is truck day, when the team sends its supplies for spring training to JetBlue Park in Fort Myers. A sign that spring will (eventually) arrive.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: epzik8 on February 04, 2024, 07:52:43 AM
Post by: epzik8 on February 04, 2024, 07:52:43 AM
Quote from: dlsterner on February 03, 2024, 06:15:31 PM
As an Orioles fan, I do like this trade - even if it is just for one year. Didn't have to give up one of the top prospects.
I have a strange feeling not a lot of Orioles fans thought highly of DL Hall...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: dlsterner on February 04, 2024, 09:57:38 AM
Post by: dlsterner on February 04, 2024, 09:57:38 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on February 04, 2024, 07:52:43 AMQuote from: dlsterner on February 03, 2024, 06:15:31 PM
As an Orioles fan, I do like this trade - even if it is just for one year. Didn't have to give up one of the top prospects.
I have a strange feeling not a lot of Orioles fans thought highly of DL Hall...
I liked DL Hall. Just saying that I didn't think he was quite the same level as Holliday, Basallo, Mayo, Kjerstad, Cowser et al. The kind of players the White Sox wanted for Dylan Cease.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on February 06, 2024, 10:27:02 AM
Post by: triplemultiplex on February 06, 2024, 10:27:02 AM
Quote from: dlsterner on February 03, 2024, 06:15:31 PM
As an Orioles fan, I do like this trade - even if it is just for one year.
I liken it to that one season Milwaukee got with CC Sabathia. He was critical to ending our playoff drought.
(Still a little bitter he got screwed out of that no-hitter by a bad call at first.)
I wish Burnes and Baltimore well. In a division full of teams I dislike or even hate, it's easy to root for them.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: bing101 on February 09, 2024, 02:08:58 PM
Post by: bing101 on February 09, 2024, 02:08:58 PM
https://apnews.com/article/billy-eppler-suspended-mlb-0bc8f0f955645f8afacd5d4b70d07895
Former Mets GM Billy Eppler suspended through World Series for fabricating injuries
Former Mets GM Billy Eppler suspended through World Series for fabricating injuries
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: bing101 on February 13, 2024, 01:09:09 AM
Post by: bing101 on February 13, 2024, 01:09:09 AM
https://www.kmbc.com/article/kansas-city-royals-will-announce-stadium-location-on-tuesday-afternoon/46758414
Now this Kansas City Royals talk about their stadium plans.
Now this Kansas City Royals talk about their stadium plans.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: gonealookin on February 13, 2024, 05:29:57 PM
Post by: gonealookin on February 13, 2024, 05:29:57 PM
Quote from: bing101 on February 13, 2024, 01:09:09 AM
https://www.kmbc.com/article/kansas-city-royals-will-announce-stadium-location-on-tuesday-afternoon/46758414
Now this Kansas City Royals talk about their stadium plans.
Roadgeek aspect to that: The renderings (https://www.kansascity.com/sports/mlb/kansas-city-royals/article285439417.html) show that I-670 would be capped as far east as Locust Street, to connect the T-Mobile Center on the north side of the freeway with the new ballpark. I see that capping the freeway has been discussed extensively (https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article279249734.html) but the plans discussed there ended the cap at Grand Avenue on the east. I'm not knowledgeable about Missouri and don't participate in that subforum; maybe some of the participants there can discuss that if they have recovered from their Chiefs hangovers.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on February 13, 2024, 10:01:38 PM
Post by: Henry on February 13, 2024, 10:01:38 PM
Quote from: gonealookin on February 13, 2024, 05:29:57 PMAnd now this:Quote from: bing101 on February 13, 2024, 01:09:09 AM
https://www.kmbc.com/article/kansas-city-royals-will-announce-stadium-location-on-tuesday-afternoon/46758414
Now this Kansas City Royals talk about their stadium plans.
Roadgeek aspect to that: The renderings (https://www.kansascity.com/sports/mlb/kansas-city-royals/article285439417.html) show that I-670 would be capped as far east as Locust Street, to connect the T-Mobile Center on the north side of the freeway with the new ballpark. I see that capping the freeway has been discussed extensively (https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article279249734.html) but the plans discussed there ended the cap at Grand Avenue on the east. I'm not knowledgeable about Missouri and don't participate in that subforum; maybe some of the participants there can discuss that if they have recovered from their Chiefs hangovers.
https://www.kmbc.com/article/kansas-city-royals-announce-crossroads-location-as-site-for-new-stadium/46772130
A new site has been chosen for the new Royals ballpark in downtown KC. I'm figuring that it would be overkill to have a new Chiefs stadium downtown, so they'll renovate Arrowhead instead. The area certainly would look different without Kauffman Stadium next door, but best of luck to the Royals as they write the next chapter in their rich, storied history.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on February 14, 2024, 12:41:18 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on February 14, 2024, 12:41:18 PM
Decent location. I'm a big fan of locating baseball stadiums in or near city centers. Since there are so many games every year, you can really build a whole neighborhood around a ballpark. Plus they are always closer to transit, so fans have options other than driving.
As much as I like tailgating, if a city can improve itself by moving a sports venue inward to anchor a neighborhood, I think that's a fair trade.
That was the debate in the 90's; build Miller Park where it is or find a spot more in the middle of Milwaukee.
If the stars had aligned, they would have ripped out the Park East Freeway and plunked a ballpark down on some of the vacated land, as I see it. Would have massively jump started redevelopment instead of most of the land laying fallow for years on end once the glorified ramp actually did come down.
Though I'm not sure that specific design would necessarily fit, there's no reason they couldn't have still incorporated some kind of roof. I look at how quickly things filled in after Fiserv went in and it's like, wow, that could've happened 20 years earlier with a different version of Miller Park.
As much as I like tailgating, if a city can improve itself by moving a sports venue inward to anchor a neighborhood, I think that's a fair trade.
That was the debate in the 90's; build Miller Park where it is or find a spot more in the middle of Milwaukee.
If the stars had aligned, they would have ripped out the Park East Freeway and plunked a ballpark down on some of the vacated land, as I see it. Would have massively jump started redevelopment instead of most of the land laying fallow for years on end once the glorified ramp actually did come down.
Though I'm not sure that specific design would necessarily fit, there's no reason they couldn't have still incorporated some kind of roof. I look at how quickly things filled in after Fiserv went in and it's like, wow, that could've happened 20 years earlier with a different version of Miller Park.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on February 15, 2024, 10:56:32 PM
Post by: Henry on February 15, 2024, 10:56:32 PM
Rob Manfred is stepping down as commissioner after the 2029 season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on February 16, 2024, 01:26:06 PM
Post by: mgk920 on February 16, 2024, 01:26:06 PM
Quote from: Henry on February 13, 2024, 10:01:38 PMQuote from: gonealookin on February 13, 2024, 05:29:57 PMAnd now this:Quote from: bing101 on February 13, 2024, 01:09:09 AM
https://www.kmbc.com/article/kansas-city-royals-will-announce-stadium-location-on-tuesday-afternoon/46758414
Now this Kansas City Royals talk about their stadium plans.
Roadgeek aspect to that: The renderings (https://www.kansascity.com/sports/mlb/kansas-city-royals/article285439417.html) show that I-670 would be capped as far east as Locust Street, to connect the T-Mobile Center on the north side of the freeway with the new ballpark. I see that capping the freeway has been discussed extensively (https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article279249734.html) but the plans discussed there ended the cap at Grand Avenue on the east. I'm not knowledgeable about Missouri and don't participate in that subforum; maybe some of the participants there can discuss that if they have recovered from their Chiefs hangovers.
https://www.kmbc.com/article/kansas-city-royals-announce-crossroads-location-as-site-for-new-stadium/46772130
A new site has been chosen for the new Royals ballpark in downtown KC. I'm figuring that it would be overkill to have a new Chiefs stadium downtown, so they'll renovate Arrowhead instead. The area certainly would look different without Kauffman Stadium next door, but best of luck to the Royals as they write the next chapter in their rich, storied history.
I'm thinking that the Chiefs and the city should be working on something to mirror the 'Titletown' complex that the Packers are developing by Lambeau Field.
Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tmoore952 on February 17, 2024, 11:32:03 AM
Post by: tmoore952 on February 17, 2024, 11:32:03 AM
Quote from: Henry on February 15, 2024, 10:56:32 PM
Rob Manfred is stepping down as commissioner after the 2029 season.
I saw on the ESPN scroll line that he is retiring on Jan. 25, 2029 which would be before the 2029 season.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Big John on February 17, 2024, 11:55:10 AM
Post by: Big John on February 17, 2024, 11:55:10 AM
Why would such an announcement be made that far ahead of time? A lot can happen between now and then.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: tmoore952 on February 17, 2024, 12:00:34 PM
Post by: tmoore952 on February 17, 2024, 12:00:34 PM
Quote from: Big John on February 17, 2024, 11:55:10 AM
Why would such an announcement be made that far ahead of time? A lot can happen between now and then.
From what I see, it is a five year contract and he is telling them this is his last contract.
I assume also that it gives potential successors plenty of time to get their current professional lives in order.
EDIT - From Manfred's perspective, it is likely his subtle way of saying - I'm out of here in 2029, no ifs ands or buts.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Hunty2022 on February 19, 2024, 10:15:46 PM
Post by: Hunty2022 on February 19, 2024, 10:15:46 PM
I'll post my first start-of-spring-training MLB Standings now:
AL East
Orioles - 97-65
Rays - 91-61
Yankees - 90-72
Blue Jays - 88-74
Red Sox - 77-85
AL Central
Twins - 88-74
Guardians - 86-76
Tigers - 76-86
Royals - 74-88
White Sox - 64-98
AL West
Astros - 95-67
Mariners - 92-70
Rangers - 88-74
Angels - 73-89
Athletics - 63-99
NL East
Braves - 103-59
Phillies - 93-69
Mets - 83-79
Marlins - 82-80
Nationals - 72-90
NL Central
Cubs - 90-72
Reds - 84-78
Cardinals - 83-79
Brewers - 83-79
Pirates - 74-88
NL West
Dodgers - 112-50
Diamondbacks - 87-75
Giants - 81-81
Padres - 78-84
Rockies - 67-95
Playoff Picture:
AL
(1) Orioles
(2) Astros
(3) Twins
(4) Mariners
(5) Rays
(6) Yankees
NL
(1) Dodgers
(2) Braves
(3) Cubs
(4) Phillies
(5) Diamondbacks
(6) Reds
AL East
Orioles - 97-65
Rays - 91-61
Yankees - 90-72
Blue Jays - 88-74
Red Sox - 77-85
AL Central
Twins - 88-74
Guardians - 86-76
Tigers - 76-86
Royals - 74-88
White Sox - 64-98
AL West
Astros - 95-67
Mariners - 92-70
Rangers - 88-74
Angels - 73-89
Athletics - 63-99
NL East
Braves - 103-59
Phillies - 93-69
Mets - 83-79
Marlins - 82-80
Nationals - 72-90
NL Central
Cubs - 90-72
Reds - 84-78
Cardinals - 83-79
Brewers - 83-79
Pirates - 74-88
NL West
Dodgers - 112-50
Diamondbacks - 87-75
Giants - 81-81
Padres - 78-84
Rockies - 67-95
Playoff Picture:
AL
(1) Orioles
(2) Astros
(3) Twins
(4) Mariners
(5) Rays
(6) Yankees
NL
(1) Dodgers
(2) Braves
(3) Cubs
(4) Phillies
(5) Diamondbacks
(6) Reds
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on February 21, 2024, 10:16:40 PM
Post by: Henry on February 21, 2024, 10:16:40 PM
I'm still holding out hope that the Mariners will get to their first World Series, so to borrow a saying from the Friendly Confines of Chicago, hope springs eternal.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: epzik8 on February 24, 2024, 03:57:14 PM
Post by: epzik8 on February 24, 2024, 03:57:14 PM
Fangraphs being weird, picking the Yankees to win the AL East and the Orioles to fall to third...
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: mgk920 on February 24, 2024, 04:23:05 PM
Post by: mgk920 on February 24, 2024, 04:23:05 PM
It's that time of the year already, but no final score yet, the Brewers started Cactus League action this afternoon!
:cool:
Mike
:cool:
Mike
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on February 26, 2024, 01:08:30 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on February 26, 2024, 01:08:30 PM
I just got done ripping Jerry Reinsdorf apart on Facebook and someone is now trying to tell me the following.
He said that since Jerry wouldn't own the ballpark that it would make no sense for him to sell the team.
This was my reply to that: Yes it would have a bearing on the cost/worth of the team. Them playing in a brand new stadium no matter who owns it is going to increase the value of the team, Jerry is trying to get tax payers to pay for it so he doesn't have to, thus increasing the value of the team and he makes more money if he sells. How would you think a team playing in a brand new stadium wouldn't have increased value?
This is his reply to me: Because they don't own the stadium. Apparently you have no basic understanding of business.
So this guy thinks that just because Jerry and the Sox don't own the stadium that it won't increase the value of the team. Could someone please tell me how this makes any sense at all.
He said that since Jerry wouldn't own the ballpark that it would make no sense for him to sell the team.
This was my reply to that: Yes it would have a bearing on the cost/worth of the team. Them playing in a brand new stadium no matter who owns it is going to increase the value of the team, Jerry is trying to get tax payers to pay for it so he doesn't have to, thus increasing the value of the team and he makes more money if he sells. How would you think a team playing in a brand new stadium wouldn't have increased value?
This is his reply to me: Because they don't own the stadium. Apparently you have no basic understanding of business.
So this guy thinks that just because Jerry and the Sox don't own the stadium that it won't increase the value of the team. Could someone please tell me how this makes any sense at all.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on February 26, 2024, 01:50:54 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on February 26, 2024, 01:50:54 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 26, 2024, 01:08:30 PM
I just got done ripping Jerry Reinsdorf apart on Facebook and someone is now trying to tell me the following.
He said that since Jerry wouldn't own the ballpark that it would make no sense for him to sell the team.
This was my reply to that: Yes it would have a bearing on the cost/worth of the team. Them playing in a brand new stadium no matter who owns it is going to increase the value of the team, Jerry is trying to get tax payers to pay for it so he doesn't have to, thus increasing the value of the team and he makes more money if he sells. How would you think a team playing in a brand new stadium wouldn't have increased value?
This is his reply to me: Because they don't own the stadium. Apparently you have no basic understanding of business.
So this guy thinks that just because Jerry and the Sox don't own the stadium that it won't increase the value of the team. Could someone please tell me how this makes any sense at all.
Getting the state to pay for most/all of the project would increase the value of the team, since they'd not have to make annual payments on the project.
However, the main reason Jerry won't sell the team before he dies is taxes. It costs his family a lot less if his sons sell the team after inheriting it from him.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KeithE4Phx on February 26, 2024, 11:35:49 PM
Post by: KeithE4Phx on February 26, 2024, 11:35:49 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 26, 2024, 01:08:30 PM
I just got done ripping Jerry Reinsdorf apart on Facebook and someone is now trying to tell me the following.
He said that since Jerry wouldn't own the ballpark that it would make no sense for him to sell the team.
This was my reply to that: Yes it would have a bearing on the cost/worth of the team. Them playing in a brand new stadium no matter who owns it is going to increase the value of the team, Jerry is trying to get tax payers to pay for it so he doesn't have to, thus increasing the value of the team and he makes more money if he sells. How would you think a team playing in a brand new stadium wouldn't have increased value?
This is his reply to me: Because they don't own the stadium. Apparently you have no basic understanding of business.
So this guy thinks that just because Jerry and the Sox don't own the stadium that it won't increase the value of the team. Could someone please tell me how this makes any sense at all.
Wait a minute. Jerry doesn't own
Now he wants to force the taxpayers of Illinois to give him another park, 37 years after gifting (or is it grifting?) him the current one? If the State Legislature is stupid enough to build him another park just because the current one isn't in a wealthy neighborhood (see: Atlanta, and possibly Phoenix), then they're far dumber than I give them credit for.
No way should they fall for this again. I'm a lifelong Sox fan, although I no longer live in Illinois, and am stick and tired of Reinsdorf and his money-grubbing. Reinsdorf should sell the team to somebody that actually understands baseball and Chicago, the latter he's been clueless about since buying the Sox from Bill Veeck in 1981.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on February 27, 2024, 09:43:26 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on February 27, 2024, 09:43:26 AM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on February 26, 2024, 11:35:49 PMThe ballpark is owned by ISFA and Jerry has a sweetheart lease on the ballpark. There is nothing wrong with the current ballpark and the people that claim that it's in the hood have no understanding of the hood as it sits right next to the Dan Ryan surrounded by parking lots. I'm a Sox fan too and I've had enough of Reinsdorf to last me a lifetime. I haven't even been to a Sox home game in about 5 or 6 years. You are correct though Reinsdorf is a dinosaur in today's game and really doesn't understand Chicago either.Quote from: Flint1979 on February 26, 2024, 01:08:30 PM
I just got done ripping Jerry Reinsdorf apart on Facebook and someone is now trying to tell me the following.
He said that since Jerry wouldn't own the ballpark that it would make no sense for him to sell the team.
This was my reply to that: Yes it would have a bearing on the cost/worth of the team. Them playing in a brand new stadium no matter who owns it is going to increase the value of the team, Jerry is trying to get tax payers to pay for it so he doesn't have to, thus increasing the value of the team and he makes more money if he sells. How would you think a team playing in a brand new stadium wouldn't have increased value?
This is his reply to me: Because they don't own the stadium. Apparently you have no basic understanding of business.
So this guy thinks that just because Jerry and the Sox don't own the stadium that it won't increase the value of the team. Could someone please tell me how this makes any sense at all.
Wait a minute. Jerry doesn't ownGuaranteed Rate FieldComiskey Park (II), and never has. That ballpark is owned by the State of Illinois, and was barely run through the State Legislature (with three minutes to spare) by then-Gov. Jim Thompson in 1987 to keep the Sox from moving to St. Petersburg.
Now he wants to force the taxpayers of Illinois to give him another park, 37 years after gifting (or is it grifting?) him the current one? If the State Legislature is stupid enough to build him another park just because the current one isn't in a wealthy neighborhood (see: Atlanta, and possibly Phoenix), then they're far dumber than I give them credit for.
No way should they fall for this again. I'm a lifelong Sox fan, although I no longer live in Illinois, and am stick and tired of Reinsdorf and his money-grubbing. Reinsdorf should sell the team to somebody that actually understands baseball and Chicago, the latter he's been clueless about since buying the Sox from Bill Veeck in 1981.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on February 27, 2024, 09:53:21 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on February 27, 2024, 09:53:21 AM
As far as the White Sox go, the last time they started their most recently failed rebuild when they traded Sale I said that they will not succeed in this rebuild because they are counting on the same people that have screwed everything up to rebuild the team. Now 2021 comes along and the Sox are looking for a new manager after Rick Renteria was let go, the Sox had a pretty good roster that year not great but pretty good, after letting Renteria go Reinsdorf's next move is let's hire Tony LaRussa because I feel that I need to right a wrong that happened 35 years ago nevermind he hasn't managed in 10 years, has a drinking problem and is out of touch with the current game we'll hire Tony and everything will be ok. That didn't even really work I think the 2021 White Sox did as well as they did inspite of LaRussa.
Ok LaRussa didn't work out so we'll get rid of him and bring in Pedro Grifol, who? Oh that's right another Kansas City Royals reject since Reinsdorf is so hell bent on modeling the Sox after the Royals, I have no idea why any owner would model their team off Kansas City, a team that loses 100 games or so almost every year. Congrats Jerry you got what you wanted, the Chicago White Sox are indeed as bad as the Kansas City Royals. When the Sox are winning which really isn't very often but when they are winning they draw well attendance wise, don't expect very many people to attend Sox games this year because they are going to suck and suck big time. Oh and promoting Chris Getz after firing Kenny Williams and Rick Hahn was one of the stupidest moves Reinsdorf could have ever made, what exactly did you improve on here Jerry? The sooner Jerry gets out of the picture and sells the team the better. I can't believe we're going to have to wait until after he dies to get a new owner.
Ok LaRussa didn't work out so we'll get rid of him and bring in Pedro Grifol, who? Oh that's right another Kansas City Royals reject since Reinsdorf is so hell bent on modeling the Sox after the Royals, I have no idea why any owner would model their team off Kansas City, a team that loses 100 games or so almost every year. Congrats Jerry you got what you wanted, the Chicago White Sox are indeed as bad as the Kansas City Royals. When the Sox are winning which really isn't very often but when they are winning they draw well attendance wise, don't expect very many people to attend Sox games this year because they are going to suck and suck big time. Oh and promoting Chris Getz after firing Kenny Williams and Rick Hahn was one of the stupidest moves Reinsdorf could have ever made, what exactly did you improve on here Jerry? The sooner Jerry gets out of the picture and sells the team the better. I can't believe we're going to have to wait until after he dies to get a new owner.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on February 27, 2024, 11:58:57 PM
Post by: Henry on February 27, 2024, 11:58:57 PM
Let's not forget that this is the same Jerry Reinsdorf who owns the six-time NBA champions. More often than not, the Sox were actually decent in those years; in fact, they won the last-ever AL West division title under the old four-division setup and were leading in the AL Central when the 1994 strike hit (I can't believe it'll be 30 years since that tragic moment occurred). As for the Royals, they won a World Series in 2015 (delaying the Cubs' prediction from Back to the Future II for another year).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on February 28, 2024, 10:52:06 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on February 28, 2024, 10:52:06 AM
Quote from: Henry on February 27, 2024, 11:58:57 PMJerry can thank MJ for those six titles. The Sox were good in the early 90's but since about 2011-2012 they have been a pretty bad team and Jerry is out of touch with reality being a dinosaur in today's game. It's strange that the Royals won that World Series and then fell right back to where they usually are anymore. Up until 2002 they hadn't lost 100 games in a season, now they have seven seasons with 100+ loses.
Let's not forget that this is the same Jerry Reinsdorf who owns the six-time NBA champions. More often than not, the Sox were actually decent in those years; in fact, they won the last-ever AL West division title under the old four-division setup and were leading in the AL Central when the 1994 strike hit (I can't believe it'll be 30 years since that tragic moment occurred). As for the Royals, they won a World Series in 2015 (delaying the Cubs' prediction from Back to the Future II for another year).
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on March 03, 2024, 02:36:47 PM
Post by: ET21 on March 03, 2024, 02:36:47 PM
I'm done with that poverty franchise until Jerry sells or croaks
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on March 03, 2024, 09:36:30 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on March 03, 2024, 09:36:30 PM
Quote from: ET21 on March 03, 2024, 02:36:47 PMSame here pretty much. I'm tired of the same bullshit year after year after year after year it never stops, the team never improves and whenever they have a chance to go somewhere they blow it every time. I'm done with Jerry's shit show, I'm not giving that piece of shit another penny of my money.
I'm done with that poverty franchise until Jerry sells or croaks
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on March 03, 2024, 09:40:59 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on March 03, 2024, 09:40:59 PM
Just watch attendance at White Sox home games this season. They'll probably draw somewhat well for opening day but it won't be sold out and after opening day they won't even come close to filling half the park. Hope your happy Jerry because nobody else is. I wouldn't put it past the Sox to lose 110 games this season. They suck and Jerry is the worst owner in MLB.
Now Jerry wants a new ballpark fuck you Jerry.
Now Jerry wants a new ballpark fuck you Jerry.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: KeithE4Phx on March 03, 2024, 11:22:35 PM
Post by: KeithE4Phx on March 03, 2024, 11:22:35 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on March 03, 2024, 09:40:59 PM
Just watch attendance at White Sox home games this season. They'll probably draw somewhat well for opening day but it won't be sold out and after opening day they won't even come close to filling half the park.
They'll sell out Opening Day and the two games vs the Flubs. Beyond that... I can see this year being as putrid as the bad old days of 1968-75, when the Sox were thisclose to moving to Milwaukee and Seattle. The Allyn brothers were bad owners, but they, unlike Reinsdorf, had no money. Neither did Bill Veeck, for that matter.
QuoteHope your happy Jerry because nobody else is. I wouldn't put it past the Sox to lose 110 games this season.
Won't surprise me, either. Fortunately, the Royals are still in the AL Central, and could lose 120. :-D
QuoteThey suck and Jerry is the worst owner in MLB.
"Hold my beer." -- Ken Kendrick, managing owner of the Arizona Diamondbacks, who's also trying to get a free ballpark in a better neighborhood (specifically in or near Scottsdale) than downtown Phoenix. He has even less of an excuse than Reinsdorf does. At least they went to the World Series last season.
QuoteNow Jerry wants a new ballpark fuck you Jerry.
He can pay for it himself.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Flint1979 on March 03, 2024, 11:44:28 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on March 03, 2024, 11:44:28 PM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on March 03, 2024, 11:22:35 PMIdk if they'll sell out for opening day last year they only had 34,784; 2022 they had 36,948 that's why I said they'll probably draw somewhat well. There top home game was against the Scrubs with 37,214, opening day was 3rd after the other game with the Scrubs. They used to draw good on weekends but that probably won't happen much this year.Quote from: Flint1979 on March 03, 2024, 09:40:59 PM
Just watch attendance at White Sox home games this season. They'll probably draw somewhat well for opening day but it won't be sold out and after opening day they won't even come close to filling half the park.
They'll sell out Opening Day and the two games vs the Flubs. Beyond that... I can see this year being as putrid as the bad old days of 1968-75, when the Sox were thisclose to moving to Milwaukee and Seattle. The Allyn brothers were bad owners, but they, unlike Reinsdorf, had no money. Neither did Bill Veeck, for that matter.QuoteHope your happy Jerry because nobody else is. I wouldn't put it past the Sox to lose 110 games this season.
Won't surprise me, either. Fortunately, the Royals are still in the AL Central, and could lose 120. :-DQuoteThey suck and Jerry is the worst owner in MLB.
"Hold my beer." -- Ken Kendrick, managing owner of the Arizona Diamondbacks, who's also trying to get a free ballpark in a better neighborhood (specifically in or near Scottsdale) than downtown Phoenix. He has even less of an excuse than Reinsdorf does. At least they went to the World Series last season.QuoteNow Jerry wants a new ballpark fuck you Jerry.
He can pay for it himself.
It's crazy to think that the Sox have never given a player a $100 million contract. And your right Jerry does have the money unlike Allyn and Veeck.
With Jerry wanting the Sox to be like the Royals they can fight it out for last place in the weak AL Central. Weakest divison in baseball or at least the American League.
Yeah what's the problem with these parks built in the 90's that need to be replaced already? The Rangers and Braves both had new ballparks and have already had to replace them now the Sox and Diamondbacks need a new ballpark too? Just wow.
One thing about the White Sox is they have played in the same neighborhood every since 1901. The housing project that sits behind the scoreboard is where they first played, then Comiskey and now this stadium. Apparently Jerry just doesn't give a shit. I can't stand the guy and I've never met him. If I ever did have a chance to say something to him I'd tell him how pathetic of a sports owner he truly is and the sooner he sells the team the better.
And that is totally right, he can pay for it himself. The Chicago White Sox do not need a new ballpark.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: ET21 on March 07, 2024, 09:54:22 PM
Post by: ET21 on March 07, 2024, 09:54:22 PM
He can sell the Bulls and use that money to build his new stadium. Save one franchise from purgatory at least
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on March 08, 2024, 12:55:46 AM
Post by: Henry on March 08, 2024, 12:55:46 AM
It wasn't that long ago that the Cubs were in the exact same situation the Sox are in now, losing 100-plus games a year. The main difference is, they still care about their city and making their fans happy, and it showed with a string of postseason appearances later on in the decade and a World Series championship in 2016. Plus, they're extremely proud of their shrine of a ballpark that is Wrigley Field and do whatever it takes to keep it up to modern standards. (Same goes for the Red Sox and their own shrine, Fenway Park.)
As for the complaints about teams wanting a new ballpark when their current ones aren't even 30 years old, this is nothing new. None of the multipurpose stadiums that were built in the 60s and 70s (San Francisco, New York, Houston, Atlanta, St. Louis, San Diego, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Seattle, Minneapolis, etc.) saw 40 major-league seasons, and I won't count Oakland because the Raiders had two separate stints there, nor Washington because of the large gap between the Senators' departure and the Nationals' arrival.
As for the complaints about teams wanting a new ballpark when their current ones aren't even 30 years old, this is nothing new. None of the multipurpose stadiums that were built in the 60s and 70s (San Francisco, New York, Houston, Atlanta, St. Louis, San Diego, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Seattle, Minneapolis, etc.) saw 40 major-league seasons, and I won't count Oakland because the Raiders had two separate stints there, nor Washington because of the large gap between the Senators' departure and the Nationals' arrival.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: epzik8 on March 11, 2024, 08:37:38 AM
Post by: epzik8 on March 11, 2024, 08:37:38 AM
I have a feeling Jackson Holliday will definitely be at Camden Yards on opening day.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: epzik8 on March 23, 2024, 03:34:29 PM
Post by: epzik8 on March 23, 2024, 03:34:29 PM
Shohei Ohtani cannot catch a break.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Takumi on March 23, 2024, 06:40:51 PM
Post by: Takumi on March 23, 2024, 06:40:51 PM
Peter Angelos has died.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on March 26, 2024, 04:26:58 PM
Post by: triplemultiplex on March 26, 2024, 04:26:58 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on March 23, 2024, 03:34:29 PMShohei Ohtani cannot catch a break.
This is the kind of thing that happens when sports leagues start getting in bed with gambling companies.
MLB has ceded the moral high ground in getting upset about someone associated with their sport engaging in sports betting. So has every other sport with their Draft Kings and MGM and whatever other gambling commercials you see constantly during broadcasts and in giant billboards at stadiums. This is just the beginning. Sports are charging headlong into massive gambling scandals in the coming years. There's just too much money changing hands for someone out there to resist the temptation to tip the odds in their own favor.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Henry on March 28, 2024, 11:00:03 PM
Post by: Henry on March 28, 2024, 11:00:03 PM
It's Opening Day again...but unfortunately for the Cubs, they end up in the loss column in Arlington. They were playing the defending champions, so that was kind of expected.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on March 29, 2024, 11:45:22 AM
Post by: triplemultiplex on March 29, 2024, 11:45:22 AM
Brewers-Mets starting the season a day late due to rain yesterday. I'll be listening on the radio as I travel for the weekend.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: cl94 on April 03, 2024, 11:49:12 PM
Post by: cl94 on April 03, 2024, 11:49:12 PM
Hot off the presses: we have reports from Sacramento media (namely the CBS Sports Radio affiliate in town) that the Oakland Athletics will be playing in Sacramento (https://sactownsports.com/oakland-athletics-temporary-residency-sacramento/) starting in 2025. Not an April Fool's joke. Assumption now is that this will be until a stadium is completed in Las Vegas, but TBD.
A key issue here is that the A's deal with NBC Sports California requires them to stay in Northern California through 2032. Leave before then and they forfeit any TV revenue.
A key issue here is that the A's deal with NBC Sports California requires them to stay in Northern California through 2032. Leave before then and they forfeit any TV revenue.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 03, 2024, 11:55:32 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 03, 2024, 11:55:32 PM
Well, I'll certainly be going to Sacramento to check some of those games. The backdrop of the stadium has the Tower Bridge in the background.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: triplemultiplex on April 04, 2024, 11:38:52 AM
Post by: triplemultiplex on April 04, 2024, 11:38:52 AM
Just as well since I'm sure the A's will be playing like a minor league team the next few seasons. Like what incentive do they have to perform well during these transition years? They've abandoned their current fans and are still hundreds of miles from their supposed future fans. Who's gonna bother watching?
It'll be a fun novelty for a while for the locals to see MLB games in Sacramento. But there's no motivation to get invested in the team knowing they're outta there the minute their newcasino and sports betting emporium stadium is done.
Not to go on another anti-Vegas rant again, but no one is from there. It's a fast growing city that has gathered transplants from other parts of the country bringing their own sports loyalties with them. The only reason to care about a Vegas team is when they play the team you actually root for. That's the only reason they got an NHL team. It wasn't some groundswell of hockey enthusiasm from this desert city where it snows once every three years. Guarantee the Golden Knights have the lowest in-market loyalty of any pro sports franchise, despite their expansion draft fueled success.
And that's another thing I hate about there being hockey in Vegas; they were basically able to steal everyone's third best player and create a near-all star team from the get go. Nothing earned at all. No long suffering fanbase thirsty for a championship. They don't deserve success.
And I say all this as a person who doesn't actually care that much about hockey. Real hockey fans must be totally pissed. Especially like Minnesota. The most hockey-loving state there is and they had one team move on them and the current team can't seem to do anything in the playoffs. Meanwhile, this dumb expansion team comes along from a region that can't possibly care about hockey and they're immediate contenders. It's unfair.
It'll be a fun novelty for a while for the locals to see MLB games in Sacramento. But there's no motivation to get invested in the team knowing they're outta there the minute their new
Not to go on another anti-Vegas rant again, but no one is from there. It's a fast growing city that has gathered transplants from other parts of the country bringing their own sports loyalties with them. The only reason to care about a Vegas team is when they play the team you actually root for. That's the only reason they got an NHL team. It wasn't some groundswell of hockey enthusiasm from this desert city where it snows once every three years. Guarantee the Golden Knights have the lowest in-market loyalty of any pro sports franchise, despite their expansion draft fueled success.
And that's another thing I hate about there being hockey in Vegas; they were basically able to steal everyone's third best player and create a near-all star team from the get go. Nothing earned at all. No long suffering fanbase thirsty for a championship. They don't deserve success.
And I say all this as a person who doesn't actually care that much about hockey. Real hockey fans must be totally pissed. Especially like Minnesota. The most hockey-loving state there is and they had one team move on them and the current team can't seem to do anything in the playoffs. Meanwhile, this dumb expansion team comes along from a region that can't possibly care about hockey and they're immediate contenders. It's unfair.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: brad2971 on April 04, 2024, 12:52:01 PM
Post by: brad2971 on April 04, 2024, 12:52:01 PM
Quote from: cl94 on April 03, 2024, 11:49:12 PMHot off the presses: we have reports from Sacramento media (namely the CBS Sports Radio affiliate in town) that the Oakland Athletics will be playing in Sacramento (https://sactownsports.com/oakland-athletics-temporary-residency-sacramento/) starting in 2025. Not an April Fool's joke. Assumption now is that this will be until a stadium is completed in Las Vegas, but TBD.
A key issue here is that the A's deal with NBC Sports California requires them to stay in Northern California through 2032. Leave before then and they forfeit any TV revenue.
By 2032, if not significantly sooner, NBC Sports California will cease to exist as a RSN. By the time that happens, MLB will very likely centralize its TV production and distribution so that all teams get proportionate revenue. And that will happen regardless of what NESN thinks.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 04, 2024, 01:08:17 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 04, 2024, 01:08:17 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on April 04, 2024, 11:38:52 AMJust as well since I'm sure the A's will be playing like a minor league team the next few seasons. Like what incentive do they have to perform well during these transition years? They've abandoned their current fans and are still hundreds of miles from their supposed future fans. Who's gonna bother watching?
It'll be a fun novelty for a while for the locals to see MLB games in Sacramento. But there's no motivation to get invested in the team knowing they're outta there the minute their newcasino and sports betting emporiumstadium is done.
Not to go on another anti-Vegas rant again, but no one is from there. It's a fast growing city that has gathered transplants from other parts of the country bringing their own sports loyalties with them. The only reason to care about a Vegas team is when they play the team you actually root for. That's the only reason they got an NHL team. It wasn't some groundswell of hockey enthusiasm from this desert city where it snows once every three years. Guarantee the Golden Knights have the lowest in-market loyalty of any pro sports franchise, despite their expansion draft fueled success.
And that's another thing I hate about there being hockey in Vegas; they were basically able to steal everyone's third best player and create a near-all star team from the get go. Nothing earned at all. No long suffering fanbase thirsty for a championship. They don't deserve success.
And I say all this as a person who doesn't actually care that much about hockey. Real hockey fans must be totally pissed. Especially like Minnesota. The most hockey-loving state there is and they had one team move on them and the current team can't seem to do anything in the playoffs. Meanwhile, this dumb expansion team comes along from a region that can't possibly care about hockey and they're immediate contenders. It's unfair.
I can assure you as someone who used to attend Red Wings games in Phoenix, there are definitely transplants who cared about hockey in the desert southwest. There is likewise a bunch of Midwest transplants in the Las Vegas metro area.
The difference is with the Golden Knights versus the Coyotes is that they have a good product. That got the otherwise neutral/indifferent locals interested in hockey also when Las Vegas was granted an expansion. It probably is a great test case towards giving an expansion team in a new market an artificial boost to get things going strong.
Will the success in Las Vegas sustain? Hard to say, but it definitely got off to a strong start. Considering it is an expanding market it would be stupid not for these major sports leagues to try to get a foothold in it early. 30 years from now there will be lots of Las Vegas natives who have known nothing but having professional sport franchises in their city. That "Midwest loyalty" mindset will mean less and less as time progresses.
Title: Re: BASE-BALL
Post by: epzik8 on April 10, 2024, 03:16:50 PM
Post by: epzik8 on April 10, 2024, 03:16:50 PM
Looks like I've officially missed my chance to catch Jackson Holliday just up the road from me in Aberdeen. The Orioles have called him up.