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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2800 on: April 13, 2022, 09:45:46 PM »

Baker is on another tirade. This time he was “disrespected” by the Browns. If you want the respect of a franchise quarterback, maybe you should play like a franchise quarterback.

“He wears his emotions on his sleeve, I do too, I was an emotional player. But the difference between Baker and I - I led the league in something besides crying.” -Steve Smith

At least Baker is only the second most dislikable quarterback on his team.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2801 on: April 14, 2022, 09:40:52 AM »

Baker is on another tirade. This time he was “disrespected” by the Browns. If you want the respect of a franchise quarterback, maybe you should play like a franchise quarterback.

I mean, it's unquestionably true that he was disrespected, but going on this kind of tirade right now is kind of cringe-worthy and just not a good look.

I continue to think that his injuries played an underrated role in his struggles last season, but... the past is the past. Both he and the Browns know that he has to move on now, and I kind of get him wanting to go off on the Browns, but he should have waited until he's found a new team and things settle down.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2802 on: April 14, 2022, 01:47:44 PM »

Baker is on another tirade. This time he was “disrespected” by the Browns. If you want the respect of a franchise quarterback, maybe you should play like a franchise quarterback.

“He wears his emotions on his sleeve, I do too, I was an emotional player. But the difference between Baker and I - I led the league in something besides crying.” -Steve Smith

At least Baker is only the second most dislikable quarterback on his team.

He was disrespected by the Browns. He was injured.  His present team is only slightly less of a dumpster fire than perennial dregs Washington, Jacksonville, and (pick one) New York.of course, he can’t be surprised at Al, of this, because high draft picks tend to end up on lousy teams. It’s clearly time to move on. But he’s not helping himself with his hissy-fit.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2803 on: April 14, 2022, 03:32:48 PM »

Baker is on another tirade. This time he was “disrespected” by the Browns. If you want the respect of a franchise quarterback, maybe you should play like a franchise quarterback.

“He wears his emotions on his sleeve, I do too, I was an emotional player. But the difference between Baker and I - I led the league in something besides crying.” -Steve Smith

At least Baker is only the second most dislikable quarterback on his team.

He was disrespected by the Browns. He was injured.  His present team is only slightly less of a dumpster fire than perennial dregs Washington, Jacksonville, and (pick one) New York.of course, he can’t be surprised at Al, of this, because high draft picks tend to end up on lousy teams. It’s clearly time to move on. But he’s not helping himself with his hissy-fit.
Nothing adds up when it comes to Baker's injury. Was his performace negatively impacted by the injury? Probably, but not by much.

Cleveland had what most would agree to be one of the smallest gaps between starter and backup QB (Baker and Keenum) in the league. Even their 3rd stringer, Nick Mullens, could be a quality backup IMO. So if Baker was really so hurt that he shouldn't have been playing, why did Stefanski wait so long to pull him?

In addition, Baker's worst statistical games of the season came towards the end, as in further away from the injury that he sustained in week 2. Week 10 against the Patriots, week 11 against the Lions, week 16 against the Packers, week 17 against the Steelers.
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Whether a team makes the playoffs isn't comparable to whether they are above .500. Part of making the playoffs is getting the wins when you need them to get in, which Brady/Belichick always found a way to do. That's skill. Being above .500 or below .500 is just however things shake out. That's luck.

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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2804 on: April 14, 2022, 09:18:10 PM »

Kyler is either going to get the deal he wants or end up playing on his rookie deal for one more year.

That being said, it would be hilarious to watch the Cardinals’ inevitable implosion if he actually were to hold out and sit. Maybe people would realize that a good QB on a massive contract is a heck of a lot better than a barely-above-replacement-level QB on a tiny contract. Maybe Cowboys and Vikings fans would stop begging for their teams to tank and try to win the lottery in the draft.

But Arizona, even for being the team that gave JJ Watt $1 million per tackle and $15 million per sack, is too smart for that.

Kyler was by far the best QB to come out of his draft class.

Arizona completely whiffed on a quarterback in the first round the year before. The only other franchise QBs they’ve had in recent memory (Warner and Palmer) came from other teams. Kyler is just about the best QB they’ve ever drafted.

If you have a top 12 QB, you pay him. End of story. You don’t cheap out at quarterback and hope that a good run game and solid defense can get you to a Super Bowl, because in almost all cases, those two things alone can’t.

Vegas just paid Carr. Is Carr overpaid? Yes. Did Vegas make the right decision? Yes.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2805 on: April 14, 2022, 10:09:42 PM »

I thought you were a Dak guy? Didn't you give me shit last year for saying the Cowboys weren't that good?

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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2806 on: April 14, 2022, 10:18:42 PM »

^^ Not all Cowboy fans are in love with Dak.
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« Reply #2807 on: April 14, 2022, 10:26:25 PM »

Sure, and I might be misremembering, but I thought he was one of the reasons I was wrong when I didn't have them included in my Superbowl possibilities according to thspfc.

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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2808 on: April 15, 2022, 08:05:33 AM »

I thought you were a Dak guy? Didn't you give me shit last year for saying the Cowboys weren't that good?
I am a Dak guy. “Maybe Cowboys and Vikings fans would stop begging for their teams to tank and try to win the lottery in the draft” means “Maybe Cowboys and Vikings fans would realize they have a good quarterback already and can’t lose that guy.”
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2809 on: April 15, 2022, 08:06:34 AM »

Sure, and I might be misremembering, but I thought he was one of the reasons I was wrong when I didn't have them included in my Superbowl possibilities according to thspfc.
Don’t throw stones from the glass house of having the Colts as title contenders right up until the 4th quarter of the game at Jacksonville. Lol
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2810 on: April 15, 2022, 08:42:39 AM »

Sure, and I might be misremembering, but I thought he was one of the reasons I was wrong when I didn't have them included in my Superbowl possibilities according to thspfc.
Don’t throw stones from the glass house of having the Colts as title contenders right up until the 4th quarter of the game at Jacksonville. Lol

Not throwing stones. :) I just thought you were PARTICULARLY a Dak guy which is why I thought it odd for you to include him in your "good but not great" quarterback example. I realize now you were talking about fans not appreciating him.

I knew Wentz sucked. I just thought JT and the defense were enough to drag them there.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2811 on: April 15, 2022, 11:22:22 AM »

Dak is the classic case of a QB who isn't good enough to win you 12 games, but not bad enough to lose you 12 games where you can draft someone better.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2812 on: April 15, 2022, 01:02:08 PM »

Dak is the classic case of a QB who isn't good enough to win you 12 games, but not bad enough to lose you 12 games where you can draft someone better.
Dallas literally just won 12 games.

Chances are you won’t draft someone better. The QBs drafted in the last 10 years that are for sure better than Dak IMO are:

2012 - Wilson
2017 - Mahomes
2018 - Allen
2020 - Burrow
2020 - Herbert

Arguably better than Dak:

2012 - Cousins
2014 - Carr
2017 - Watson (other circumstances here mean that I would take Dak 100/100 times)
2018 - Lamar

Also there’s Andrew Luck but he’s not relevant anymore.

So if you think 2/4 from the “arguably” tier are better, then that’s 7 QBs drafted in the last 10 years that are better than Dak. Less than 1 per year. In a 32 team league.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2813 on: April 15, 2022, 01:35:00 PM »

The odds of the Cowboys drafting someone better than Dak Prescott are slim to none.  Dak Prescott isn’t the problem just like Tony Romo wasn’t the problem.  A good QB is essential, but you still need a pretty complete team to compete for Super Bowls.  The Cowboys have for the longest time fielded teams good enough to make the playoffs but not do anything in them.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2814 on: April 15, 2022, 05:05:44 PM »

I see the Packers scooped up Sammy Watkins for next season.
Interesting if he can stay healthy.  Still need more help at that position, but it's a start.  There's no replacing Davante Adams, but at least Watkins is a veteran who can maybe mentor whatever rookie receiver(s) I'm sure they'll end up drafting.

Also I see they amicably settled regarding what's-his-face's "last" touchdown ball.  See I think that guy backed out too soon.  A lot could happen between now and August.  What if he destroys his ACL on the first play from scrimmage this season?  Then you would've had the half-million dollar football, but gave it up for nothing!
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« Reply #2815 on: April 15, 2022, 06:21:26 PM »

I see the Packers scooped up Sammy Watkins for next season.
Interesting if he can stay healthy.  Still need more help at that position, but it's a start.  There's no replacing Davante Adams, but at least Watkins is a veteran who can maybe mentor whatever rookie receiver(s) I'm sure they'll end up drafting.

Don't they already have that in Cobb?
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« Reply #2816 on: April 19, 2022, 06:33:53 PM »

I see the Packers scooped up Sammy Watkins for next season.
Interesting if he can stay healthy.  Still need more help at that position, but it's a start.  There's no replacing Davante Adams, but at least Watkins is a veteran who can maybe mentor whatever rookie receiver(s) I'm sure they'll end up drafting.

Don't they already have that in Cobb?

Watkins still has better upside than Cobb at his age.....mostly being a couple years younger.  More or less it changes Packers from being desperate to sign/draft a WR, to still needing a WR but but not desperate.  Helps in some respect come the draft when teams try to leverage a teams desperation into squeezing another draft pick or two out of them.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2817 on: April 21, 2022, 12:09:51 PM »

Deebo Samuel wants out of San Francisco, per reports.

He was easily their best player last year, so not sure if he wants a new start or if it's purely money-related (or most likely, some of both). I'd be cautious if I was another team looking for a Deebo-type player, as he clearly wants to be paid big money, and deservedly so, but at the same time, it seems very unlikely that he will have another season as good as his 2021 season.
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« Reply #2818 on: April 21, 2022, 12:11:21 PM »

From most reports, he doesn't want to be a hybrid RB/WR. If he's just a WR, that will probably increase his longevity.

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« Reply #2819 on: April 21, 2022, 01:39:04 PM »

Deebo Samuel wants out of San Francisco, per reports.

He was easily their best player last year, so not sure if he wants a new start or if it's purely money-related (or most likely, some of both). I'd be cautious if I was another team looking for a Deebo-type player, as he clearly wants to be paid big money, and deservedly so, but at the same time, it seems very unlikely that he will have another season as good as his 2021 season.
Maybe this is true for all NFL players, but IMO Deebo is not worth as much money as he thinks he is. Christian Kirk’s contract is being cited as the reason for the sudden movement of elite wide receivers. Sooner or later, execs are going to realize that Kirk’s contract was the exception, not the rule, and the money paid to top receivers will stop growing so rapidly.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2820 on: April 22, 2022, 05:18:11 PM »

There will be three games on Christmas this year. Excellent choice by the NFL in an attempt to squash the NBA’s singular relevant day between mid-June and early April.
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« Reply #2821 on: April 22, 2022, 06:29:22 PM »

There will be three games on Christmas this year. Excellent choice by the NFL in an attempt to squash the NBA’s singular relevant day between mid-June and early April.
Or maybe the NBA has had zero relevant days this entire time.
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« Reply #2822 on: April 22, 2022, 07:23:08 PM »

Deebo Samuel wants out of San Francisco, per reports.

He was easily their best player last year, so not sure if he wants a new start or if it's purely money-related (or most likely, some of both). I'd be cautious if I was another team looking for a Deebo-type player, as he clearly wants to be paid big money, and deservedly so, but at the same time, it seems very unlikely that he will have another season as good as his 2021 season.

ESPN has the Lions, Packers, and Jets as three more interested teams for Samuel.
Packers could use Samuel and have the draft picks to make it work.  But I don't see them wanting to sign Samuel to the contract he wants and add in the 49ers wouldn't want to be trading in conference to a fellow conference team in the superbowl mix.  And while the Lions and Jets have the draft picks to make it work and Samuel would become weapon #1, why would he want to go to a cellar dweller at this time.  If he gets traded, as I think 49ers won't let him go all things considered, it's either to an AFC team or a bad NFC team or bust
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #2823 on: April 23, 2022, 12:06:16 AM »

Deebo Samuel wants out of San Francisco, per reports.

He was easily their best player last year, so not sure if he wants a new start or if it's purely money-related (or most likely, some of both). I'd be cautious if I was another team looking for a Deebo-type player, as he clearly wants to be paid big money, and deservedly so, but at the same time, it seems very unlikely that he will have another season as good as his 2021 season.

ESPN has the Lions, Packers, and Jets as three more interested teams for Samuel.
Packers could use Samuel and have the draft picks to make it work.  But I don't see them wanting to sign Samuel to the contract he wants and add in the 49ers wouldn't want to be trading in conference to a fellow conference team in the superbowl mix.  And while the Lions and Jets have the draft picks to make it work and Samuel would become weapon #1, why would he want to go to a cellar dweller at this time.  If he gets traded, as I think 49ers won't let him go all things considered, it's either to an AFC team or a bad NFC team or bust
would love the Jets to have an actual good player

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« Reply #2824 on: April 23, 2022, 12:20:37 AM »

Samuel's issue isn't money; he doesn't like the way the 49ers are using him as a hybrid WR/RB and only wants to play a traditional WR position. I'm not sure why this is so hard to fix, unless the 49ers are that adamant about wanting to use him out of the backfield.
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