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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #3425 on: November 28, 2022, 10:20:35 AM »

Playoff hopes are gone for the Packers. Why not start Love, even if Rodgers is healthy enough? They already need to decide whether to pick up his 5th year option this offseason. He needs to play, continuing to sit offers little benefit.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #3426 on: November 28, 2022, 10:22:32 AM »

the entire NFC East is now in playoff position
What hurts the chances of the entire division making it is that the Giants and Commies, the bottom two, still have to play each other twice. If one team sweeps those games it pretty much guarantees that the loser will miss out.

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The scheduling is interesting in that respect. Washington's next two games are both against the Giants (road game this coming Sunday, home game two weeks later, with the bye week in between), while the Giants have already had their bye week and have a home game against Philadelphia sandwiched in between. The Giants' schedule makes the prospect of a Washington sweep that much more interesting in terms of playoff ramifications.

That schedule prompts me to wonder, BTW, how often in the modern era (let's say since 1960) an NFL team has played the same opponent two games in a row in the regular season, even recognizing that the bye week arguably distinguishes it slightly.
Ravens and Browns last year. FWIW, they split those games one each.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #3427 on: November 28, 2022, 10:24:40 AM »

the entire NFC East is now in playoff position
What hurts the chances of the entire division making it is that the Giants and Commies, the bottom two, still have to play each other twice. If one team sweeps those games it pretty much guarantees that the loser will miss out.

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The scheduling is interesting in that respect. Washington's next two games are both against the Giants (road game this coming Sunday, home game two weeks later, with the bye week in between), while the Giants have already had their bye week and have a home game against Philadelphia sandwiched in between. The Giants' schedule makes the prospect of a Washington sweep that much more interesting in terms of playoff ramifications.

That schedule prompts me to wonder, BTW, how often in the modern era (let's say since 1960) an NFL team has played the same opponent two games in a row in the regular season, even recognizing that the bye week arguably distinguishes it slightly.
Ravens and Browns last year. FWIW, they split those games one each.

I see the 1991 Chargers and Seahawks also had two games in a row against each other with both terms' bye week in between (recall Seattle was in the AFC West then).

Edited to add: CBS reports the Jets and Dolphins were scheduled to do the same in 2020 (again with the bye week intervening) until COVID-related issues forced in-season schedule changes.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #3428 on: November 28, 2022, 10:44:21 AM »

Aaron Rodgers could be done in the NFL after injury?
Rodgers believes he can play in next game.  Will say Love by having a couple decent series vs Eagles has made the discussion for should they be sitting Rodgers, to get him healthy, a lot more interesting now.  With the ribs injury added on it makes in almost certain IMHO when Packers are mathematically eliminated that Love win be starting rest of games for the season.

Rodgers has a contract through 2026. I'm not a salary cap expert, so I don't know if him retiring saves them more cap space compared to releasing him.

If retirement saves more cap space, then maybe throw him out there the rest of the season with backup offensive linemen to perhaps encourage him to choose retirement.
It would be a catastrophic cap hit if Rodgers was released next year.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #3429 on: November 28, 2022, 10:57:32 AM »

Aaron Rodgers could be done in the NFL after injury?
Rodgers believes he can play in next game.  Will say Love by having a couple decent series vs Eagles has made the discussion for should they be sitting Rodgers, to get him healthy, a lot more interesting now.  With the ribs injury added on it makes in almost certain IMHO when Packers are mathematically eliminated that Love win be starting rest of games for the season.

Rodgers has a contract through 2026. I'm not a salary cap expert, so I don't know if him retiring saves them more cap space compared to releasing him.

If retirement saves more cap space, then maybe throw him out there the rest of the season with backup offensive linemen to perhaps encourage him to choose retirement.
It would be a catastrophic cap hit if Rodgers was released next year.
What's the alternative? Grasp at straws with an aging Rodgers while Love sits for a 4th year? That would almost certainly mean cutting Love in either 2024 or 2025, as they wouldn't give him a large QB second contract unless they take his 5th year and he terrorizes the league in 2024.

They have to see what Love's got. The longer they wait the worse the situation will become and the longer it will be before they can rebuild. If that means trading or cutting Rodgers then so be it.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #3430 on: November 28, 2022, 11:07:20 AM »

the entire NFC East is now in playoff position
What hurts the chances of the entire division making it is that the Giants and Commies, the bottom two, still have to play each other twice. If one team sweeps those games it pretty much guarantees that the loser will miss out.

It's been interesting to watch the Commies slowly catch up to the Giants over the last month or so. I think their matchups next week and three weeks from now will have massive long-term consequences in terms of how those teams approach the draft and free agency. 11-6 and in the playoffs compared to 9-8 and out of them is a huge difference to players, coaches, GMs, fans, and owners.

FWIW, I like the Commanders' chances a lot better as long as they at least split with the Giants. Having already played both games against the Eagles helps, but it's not just the schedule. I think they're a much better team with higher upside. The Giants are more consistent, but they're still rebuilding and very limited on offense especially when Barkley doesn't get going. Their season high in points is 27, while the Commanders were just the second team all season to put up 30 on the now 10-1 Eagles. So, I think a split would be a win for the Giants.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #3431 on: November 28, 2022, 03:22:32 PM »

Aaron Rodgers could be done in the NFL after injury?

Rodgers believes he can play in next game.  Will say Love by having a couple decent series vs Eagles has made the discussion for should they be sitting Rodgers, to get him healthy, a lot more interesting now.  With the ribs injury added on it makes in almost certain IMHO when Packers are mathematically eliminated that Love win be starting rest of games for the season.

Rodgers has a contract through 2026. I'm not a salary cap expert, so I don't know if him retiring saves them more cap space compared to releasing him.

If retirement saves more cap space, then maybe throw him out there the rest of the season with backup offensive linemen to perhaps encourage him to choose retirement.

If Rodgers retires, gets traded, or cut (teams would still trade decent draft pick or two so why cut AR?) the Packers take a huge cap hit in 2023.  Packers have to hope Rodgers to create cap space is willing to renegotiate his deal.  Otherwise trading Love might be a path the Packers need to look at.  As for 2022 it's best Rodgers sits and gets healthy, he'll likely play vs Bears if medically cleared and as Packers mathematically could make the playoffs.  But after that should be playing Love to gain leverage for trading Love to get a better pick, or to obtain any sort of leverage back at Rodgers if he goes the Favre offseason path. But the head coach and GM need to make their decision and stick with it, they run the team and need to act like it.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #3432 on: November 28, 2022, 03:43:10 PM »

Aaron Rodgers could be done in the NFL after injury?

Rodgers believes he can play in next game.  Will say Love by having a couple decent series vs Eagles has made the discussion for should they be sitting Rodgers, to get him healthy, a lot more interesting now.  With the ribs injury added on it makes in almost certain IMHO when Packers are mathematically eliminated that Love win be starting rest of games for the season.

Rodgers has a contract through 2026. I'm not a salary cap expert, so I don't know if him retiring saves them more cap space compared to releasing him.

If retirement saves more cap space, then maybe throw him out there the rest of the season with backup offensive linemen to perhaps encourage him to choose retirement.

If Rodgers retires, gets traded, or cut (teams would still trade decent draft pick or two so why cut AR?) the Packers take a huge cap hit in 2023.  Packers have to hope Rodgers to create cap space is willing to renegotiate his deal.  Otherwise trading Love might be a path the Packers need to look at.  As for 2022 it's best Rodgers sits and gets healthy, he'll likely play vs Bears if medically cleared and as Packers mathematically could make the playoffs.  But after that should be playing Love to gain leverage for trading Love to get a better pick, or to obtain any sort of leverage back at Rodgers if he goes the Favre offseason path. But the head coach and GM need to make their decision and stick with it, they run the team and need to act like it.

To trade Love, someone has to want him.

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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #3433 on: November 28, 2022, 03:47:29 PM »

Given that they invested a first rounder on Jordan Love, I think it makes sense to see what you have with him for the rest of the season, and if you like it, then trade Rodgers.
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« Reply #3434 on: November 28, 2022, 03:49:36 PM »

Heh. The Commanders might decide Rodgers should be next up in the "find a veteran to try to supersede Heinicke" sweepstakes.
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #3435 on: November 28, 2022, 03:49:40 PM »

To trade Love, someone has to want him.

Is this supposed to mean something outside the context of the NFL?
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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #3436 on: November 28, 2022, 03:58:47 PM »

Aaron Rodgers could be done in the NFL after injury?

Rodgers believes he can play in next game.  Will say Love by having a couple decent series vs Eagles has made the discussion for should they be sitting Rodgers, to get him healthy, a lot more interesting now.  With the ribs injury added on it makes in almost certain IMHO when Packers are mathematically eliminated that Love win be starting rest of games for the season.

Rodgers has a contract through 2026. I'm not a salary cap expert, so I don't know if him retiring saves them more cap space compared to releasing him.

If retirement saves more cap space, then maybe throw him out there the rest of the season with backup offensive linemen to perhaps encourage him to choose retirement.

If Rodgers retires, gets traded, or cut (teams would still trade decent draft pick or two so why cut AR?) the Packers take a huge cap hit in 2023.  Packers have to hope Rodgers to create cap space is willing to renegotiate his deal.  Otherwise trading Love might be a path the Packers need to look at.  As for 2022 it's best Rodgers sits and gets healthy, he'll likely play vs Bears if medically cleared and as Packers mathematically could make the playoffs.  But after that should be playing Love to gain leverage for trading Love to get a better pick, or to obtain any sort of leverage back at Rodgers if he goes the Favre offseason path. But the head coach and GM need to make their decision and stick with it, they run the team and need to act like it.

To trade Love, someone has to want him.

There were teams willing to trade up to a 2nd round pick last offseason, up to you if you believe those stories and sources.  But you'll have teams like the Colts and others that'll have interest I'm guessing.  If Love had a good December, he could nab a decent pick in return.  There are two top level QB's this upcoming draft, but teams will take chances on guys on players they see the potential in.  If Love has a good December many would rather take a chance with him than a draft pick as that'll do well to erase concerns had about Love that the Chiefs game and other times Love entered games in 2021 caused.
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« Reply #3437 on: November 28, 2022, 04:12:37 PM »

Not saying Love goes to these teams. But these teams appear to have, or could have, uncertain QB situations going into 2023.
Pats, Texans, Commanders, Lions, Bucs, Falcons, Saints, Panthers Seahawks, Jets, Raiders, 49ers, and Broncos

Some like the Jets, Pats I listed because current young qb causing doubt. Teams like them will kick the tires even if they stay with what they have. Broncos (buyer's remorse on Wilson) or Raiders(sticking with Carr as long as they have) might try and find move on from them.  The NFC South outside of Brady who is defying father time has mediocre starting qb's, and when Brady does retire or father time catches makes it the whole division have lackluster QBs.

Teams like the 49ers might feel the QB is the only thing holding them back. 49ers tried to move on from Jimmy G, and with Trey Lances injury will they stay committed to him?

We can debate the actual return the Packers trading Love or Rodgers could get them, but there will be interest in whichever QB they'd try and trade

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Re: NFL (2022 Season)
« Reply #3438 on: November 28, 2022, 05:08:44 PM »

Teams like the 49ers might feel the QB is the only thing holding them back. 49ers tried to move on from Jimmy G, and with Trey Lances injury will they stay committed to him?
First off, Garoppolo is not holding the 49ers back. He’s playing well. If anything, their issue is the awkward situation associated with his replacement.

What even makes you think Love is an attractive target for QB-needy teams? He’s played 1 real game, and didn’t look too good. Even if he starts the rest of this season and plays well, I doubt anyone would give up more than a 3rd round pick for him. Everyone except maybe Carolina and Houston would take their current QB over Love without question.
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« Reply #3439 on: November 28, 2022, 05:20:39 PM »

What even makes you think Love is an attractive target for QB-needy teams? He’s played 1 real game, and didn’t look too good. Even if he starts the rest of this season and plays well, I doubt anyone would give up more than a 3rd round pick for him. Everyone except maybe Carolina and Houston would take their current QB over Love without question.

That's why I posted above that someone would have to want him. I could easily see him getting released and clearing waivers. The game he started, he basically looked as good at QB as Kendall Hinton.

 


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