I wasn't sure what to put this idea in, so just decided to dump it in general. List and describe any limited access highways, interstate or not, that you feel takes a weird or random route that doesn't make much sense, or doesn't serve any useful purpose in your opinion. A highway that takes a very weird path, such as almost looping back on itself despite not being a beltway, or just ends unexpectedly in the middle of nowhere.
Example: I-278 in NYC
This "interstate" is just a bunch of different roads slopped together in the same designation. It is not a beltway, yet zigzags through every borough of the city. It constantly changes direction, at some points almost doing 180s on itself. It is designated an East-West highway despite being generally north-south for the most part. It ends in 78 despite not connecting to I 78 in anyway, directly or indirectly. It is extremely congested, has a 45 mph speed limit, it sneaks into NJ for 2 miles without continuing to another major highway (like I 78 for example) many exits are not accessible from both sides and just is a nuisance road overall, any highways in your area you feel similar about? What roads do you think are weird routes?
[Edited to change topic title. -S.]
CT 11. Highway to nowhere.
CA 77 and it's tiny half mile freeway lacking a full interchange.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 12, 2021, 09:03:54 PM
CA 77 and it's tiny half mile freeway lacking a full interchange.
LOL only 1/2 a mile? That's literally just a long stretch of an avenue without a traffic light! Yeah over here we have a road called the "Prospect Expressway" that's only like 1.7 miles long, but half a mile LMAO
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 12, 2021, 09:06:24 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 12, 2021, 09:03:54 PM
CA 77 and it's tiny half mile freeway lacking a full interchange.
LOL only 1/2 a mile? That's literally just a long stretch of an avenue without a traffic light! Yeah over here we have a road called the "Prospect Expressway" that's only like 1.7 miles long, but half a mile LMAO
Shortest field signed State Highway in California. Grander ambition would have had it much larger in scale than it turned out.
You couldn't think of a better name for the thread... Anyway, I think I-510 qualifies. Ik it was supposed to be part of a southern beltway, but tbh that's unnecessary too.
Quote from: kenarmy on August 12, 2021, 09:17:04 PM
You couldn't think of a better name for the thread... Anyway, I think I-510 qualifies. Ik it was supposed to be part of a southern beltway, but tbh that's unnecessary too.
You sure you didn't mean 610?
I-25's goofy loop north of Albuquerque.
Quote from: hbelkins on August 12, 2021, 09:23:22 PM
I-25's goofy loop north of Albuquerque.
Had to avoid the mountains.
Yep that road does look like it is heading south again at one point...I think I 70 does similar weird stuff in Utah
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 12, 2021, 09:18:57 PM
Quote from: kenarmy on August 12, 2021, 09:17:04 PM
You couldn't think of a better name for the thread... Anyway, I think I-510 qualifies. Ik it was supposed to be part of a southern beltway, but tbh that's unnecessary too.
You sure you didn't mean 610?
That too. And the exits are a mess.
I-790 - Pretty much a glorified ramp that's completely concurrent with some state routes
Both I-180 - For obvious reasons...
NY 8 and NY 28 have always struck me as odd. NY 8 is L shaped from NY 17 near Deposit to NY 9N in Hague via NY 12 near Utica. NY 28 is C shaped from NY 32 in Kingston to US 9 near Warrensburg, also via NY 12 near Utica. It's so bad that the portion in Region 1 is signed
without directional banners because it spends the entire time with NY 28 "north" traveling almost due south. I'd split both routes in two by eliminating the NY 12 overlaps and merge the one piece of NY 8 with NY 840.
Quote from: SkyPesos on August 12, 2021, 09:36:21 PM
I-790 - Pretty much a glorified ramp that's completely concurrent with some state routes
Both I-180 - For obvious reasons...
While we're at it, I-587 - entirely concurrent with NY 28, will end at a roundabout on each end if it doesn't already (was still a traffic light on the Kingston side when I was last there), no intermediate interchanges.
Didn't even know there was an I-587, I knew there was a 787 near Albany, gotta check that out!
US 4 does not go the direct or shortest route between end points.
US 209 south of Stroudsburg. It ends at a small town along the Susquehanna River not near anything.
US 90 Business in LA. It's a freeway and not a business route at all
I forgot about I-295 in NJ and Pennsylvania. (Was just discussing that one in another thread shocked I forgot it)
I don't know what the story is with this one, a partial loop around Trenton but then it just goes south to Delaware, and the western side just magically becomes I-95. It's 3/4 of a beltway + a random fragment going southwest, weirdest design of a road I have ever seen, like a question mark. Wonder what the direction signs say near trenton?
Thread title changed at OP's request and reopened. Carry on.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 12, 2021, 10:18:59 PM
I forgot about I-295 in NJ and Pennsylvania. (Was just discussing that one in another thread shocked I forgot it)
I don't know what the story is with this one, a partial loop around Trenton but then it just goes south to Delaware, and the western side just magically becomes I-95. It's 3/4 of a beltway + a random fragment going southwest, weirdest design of a road I have ever seen, like a question mark. Wonder what the direction signs say near trenton?
Most of 295 around Trenton, up to exit 67/US 1, was previously I-95. Thanks to freeway revolts, I-95 suddenly stopped here and became I-295 if you were to head back south. It then re-appeared on the New Jersey Turnpike right around the Pennsylvania extension at exit 6 (in fact, this interchange is further south in terms of latitude than Trenton). An interchange with the Pennsylvania Turnpike was finally added, and the first phase of this took I-95 away from Trenton. Old 95 was to be replaced with an extended I-195, but instead became an extended 295.
The Indian Nation Turnpike (nascent OK-375) doesn't look too weird on paper, being mostly a straight line, but it connects Henryetta to...Hugo? Paris TX? Not a very common origin/destination pair at all, made worse by the fact that it manages to deftly dodge most of the population centers in eastern Oklahoma. (When you're reduced to using Antlers as a control city, you've kinda fucked up.) Whatever traffic is gets is Tulsa-to-Dallas traffic that jumps off of it at US-69, so everything south of there is a ghost town.
I see some tolbs17 level of nitpicking in this thread so far...
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 14, 2021, 03:04:11 PM
The Indian Nation Turnpike (nascent OK-375) doesn't look too weird on paper, being mostly a straight line, but it connects Henryetta to...Hugo? Paris TX? Not a very common origin/destination pair at all, made worse by the fact that it manages to deftly dodge most of the population centers in eastern Oklahoma. (When you're reduced to using Antlers as a control city, you've kinda fucked up.) Whatever traffic is gets is Tulsa-to-Dallas traffic that jumps off of it at US-69, so everything south of there is a ghost town.
Interesting! And thanks for reopening this thread. I was also thinking about I-990, the highest interstate number is the US, but they never finished extending it to Lockport, NY, and it too doesn't directly connect to I,90 and it just looks like a wiggly worm.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 12, 2021, 09:06:24 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 12, 2021, 09:03:54 PM
CA 77 and it's tiny half mile freeway lacking a full interchange.
LOL only 1/2 a mile? That's literally just a long stretch of an avenue without a traffic light! Yeah over here we have a road called the "Prospect Expressway" that's only like 1.7 miles long, but half a mile LMAO
I-381 says hi.
I just realized there are two I-695s in NY, and they are both almost as tiny!
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 04:20:52 PM
I just realized there are two I-695s in NY, and they are both almost as tiny!
Where's the other I-695? Normally, 3di numbers can't be duplicated within a state, and I-95 in NY isn't that long.
Quote from: SkyPesos on August 14, 2021, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 04:20:52 PM
I just realized there are two I-695s in NY, and they are both almost as tiny!
Where's the other I-695? Normally, 3di numbers can't be duplicated within a state, and I-95 in NY isn't that long.
The Throgsneck expressway, and the one near the great NYS fairgrounds. I swear though the Throgsneck expressway should just be part of I-295 and the current I-295 stretch between the Bruckner interchange and the Throgsneck Bridge should be part of I-278.
Quote from: 74/171FAN on August 14, 2021, 03:14:56 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 12, 2021, 09:06:24 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 12, 2021, 09:03:54 PM
CA 77 and it's tiny half mile freeway lacking a full interchange.
LOL only 1/2 a mile? That's literally just a long stretch of an avenue without a traffic light! Yeah over here we have a road called the "Prospect Expressway" that's only like 1.7 miles long, but half a mile LMAO
I-381 says hi.
LMAO and I thought 581 in that state was funny!
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 04:20:52 PM
I just realized there are two I-695s in NY, and they are both almost as tiny!
Try looking at the map again.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 04:27:08 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on August 14, 2021, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 04:20:52 PM
I just realized there are two I-695s in NY, and they are both almost as tiny!
Where's the other I-695? Normally, 3di numbers can't be duplicated within a state, and I-95 in NY isn't that long.
The Throgsneck expressway, and the one near the great NYS fairgrounds. I swear though the Throgsneck expressway should just be part of I-295 and the current I-295 stretch between the Bruckner interchange and the Throgsneck Bridge should be part of I-278.
One of them is not an interstate...
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 12, 2021, 09:08:40 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 12, 2021, 09:06:24 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 12, 2021, 09:03:54 PM
CA 77 and it's tiny half mile freeway lacking a full interchange.
LOL only 1/2 a mile? That's literally just a long stretch of an avenue without a traffic light! Yeah over here we have a road called the "Prospect Expressway" that's only like 1.7 miles long, but half a mile LMAO
Shortest field signed State Highway in California. Grander ambition would have had it much larger in scale than it turned out.
Even at full length it would have qualified as a "weird route", taking a convoluted path through the Oakland hills and ending up at I-680 in Pleasant Hill. Trouble was it went through a
lot of ultra-pricey property in Moraga and Lafayette along the route, so its prospects were pretty dim from the beginning (it was cut back in the '70's to Lafayette) -- and once the urban freeway revolt was in full swing circa the '70's, the entire alignment was pretty much toast.
Nevertheless, if one wants weird-shaped routes, you can't do much better than CA 18: from its southern terminus at CA 210 it goes north for several miles, east for several more, winding through mountains (after all, it's labeled the "Rim of the World" highway) before crossing between two lakes (one mostly dry) and then heading nortwest out of the mountains before striking out west across the desert. And it has one of the few "mutual terminations" in the state: CA 138 terminates at CA 18 near Crestline, while CA 18 terminates at CA 138 out in the desert near the L.A./San Bernardino county line between Phelan and Pearblossom.
Quote from: SkyPesos on August 14, 2021, 04:41:41 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 04:27:08 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on August 14, 2021, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 04:20:52 PM
I just realized there are two I-695s in NY, and they are both almost as tiny!
Where's the other I-695? Normally, 3di numbers can't be duplicated within a state, and I-95 in NY isn't that long.
The Throgsneck expressway, and the one near the great NYS fairgrounds. I swear though the Throgsneck expressway should just be part of I-295 and the current I-295 stretch between the Bruckner interchange and the Throgsneck Bridge should be part of I-278.
One of them is not an interstate...
Not to mention, I-95 doesn't even get anywhere near Syracuse.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 04:20:52 PM
I just realized there are two I-695s in NY, and they are both almost as tiny!
By that logic, Maryland has 2 I-68's, I-70's*, I-97's, I-270's, I-295's, & I-495's!
*Neither of which serve Baltimore :bigass:
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 14, 2021, 04:28:52 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 04:20:52 PM
I just realized there are two I-695s in NY, and they are both almost as tiny!
Try looking at the map again.
My maps designate both as interstates, although my maps sometimes have the habit of occasionally labeling certain routes as such, such as the Lincoln tunnel as I-495 or route 90 in NJ as I-90. Sometimes even route 440 near Amboy shows up as a blue and red symbol!
WI-47 has almost as much mileage concurrent with another route (notably WI-29, WI-55, US-45, and US-8) as it does by itself.
WI-23, which is 211 miles long, makes a pretty much 90 degree turn roughly halfway through at Reedsburg.
Quote from: thspfc on August 14, 2021, 07:51:26 PM
WI-47 has almost as much mileage concurrent with another route (notably WI-29, WI-55, US-45, and US-8) as it does by itself.
WI-23, which is 211 miles long, makes a pretty much 90 degree turn roughly halfway through at Reedsburg.
I read there is a triple interstate concurrency in Wisconsin involving 41, 43, and 894, as well as multiple local routes following along them.
The approximately 0.09 miles of CA 225 that still exists as a rail underpass.
Then of course you have those wrong-way concurrencies, such as in VA, you could be traveling on I-81 south, I-77 north, while actually heading west, or be traveling on I-81 north, I-77 south, while actually heading east..
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 07:55:13 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 14, 2021, 07:51:26 PM
WI-47 has almost as much mileage concurrent with another route (notably WI-29, WI-55, US-45, and US-8) as it does by itself.
WI-23, which is 211 miles long, makes a pretty much 90 degree turn roughly halfway through at Reedsburg.
I read there is a triple interstate concurrency in Wisconsin involving 41, 43, and 894, as well as multiple local routes following along them.
Three routes is just cute.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/060us_seiling.jpg/798px-060us_seiling.jpg)
At one point there was a traffic circle in the Oklahoma panhandle that had 6 routes on it; you could be on US-56/US-64/US-412/US-287/US-385/OK-3 at the same time (some of the routes have since been removed due to a new bypass opening). I think Alabama may still have that one beat, though.
Regarding a route that is all four directions:
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 08, 2020, 03:15:01 PM
This is in eastern Knoxville TN - https://goo.gl/maps/cj9wGmvQSussrjeo6
You are on US 11E south, US 25W north, US 70 west, and unsigned TN 9 north. The sign says TN 168 west is to the left.
TN 168 east is also (unsigned) straight ahead.
TN 168 was extended over US 11E-70 when US 25W was moved to I-40 and 640. Though not necessary, TN 9 was also moved with it. Thus there was no state designation on US 11E-70 west of I-40. They put TN 168 on it. Maps show this (https://vintageaerial.com/scanned_maps/TN-Knox-85-01) and there is a TN 168 mile posting at the US 11E-11W split - https://goo.gl/maps/whkXNQMejqRuBz4U9
So while not posted, it does exist on a 0.9 mile stretch of highway in Tennessee.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 07:55:13 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 14, 2021, 07:51:26 PM
WI-47 has almost as much mileage concurrent with another route (notably WI-29, WI-55, US-45, and US-8) as it does by itself.
WI-23, which is 211 miles long, makes a pretty much 90 degree turn roughly halfway through at Reedsburg.
I read there is a triple interstate concurrency in Wisconsin involving 41, 43, and 894, as well as multiple local routes following along them.
US-41 follows I-41 for its entire length, but its not signed regularly. There are no other routes along that multiplex.
Along this tripleplex, I-41 north runs with I-43 south and vice versa.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 07:55:13 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 14, 2021, 07:51:26 PM
WI-47 has almost as much mileage concurrent with another route (notably WI-29, WI-55, US-45, and US-8) as it does by itself.
WI-23, which is 211 miles long, makes a pretty much 90 degree turn roughly halfway through at Reedsburg.
I read there is a triple interstate concurrency in Wisconsin involving 41, 43, and 894, as well as multiple local routes following along them.
Then you also have I-39, I-90, & I-94 in WI.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 07:29:56 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 14, 2021, 04:28:52 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 04:20:52 PM
I just realized there are two I-695s in NY, and they are both almost as tiny!
Try looking at the map again.
My maps designate both as interstates, although my maps sometimes have the habit of occasionally labeling certain routes as such, such as the Lincoln tunnel as I-495 or route 90 in NJ as I-90. Sometimes even route 440 near Amboy shows up as a blue and red symbol!
What are your maps?
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 14, 2021, 08:17:09 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 07:29:56 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 14, 2021, 04:28:52 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 04:20:52 PM
I just realized there are two I-695s in NY, and they are both almost as tiny!
Try looking at the map again.
My maps designate both as interstates, although my maps sometimes have the habit of occasionally labeling certain routes as such, such as the Lincoln tunnel as I-495 or route 90 in NJ as I-90. Sometimes even route 440 near Amboy shows up as a blue and red symbol!
What are your maps?
Offline, downloaded world maps. But they update anytime I have an internet connection on my laptop. Recently however, they have given me routes that go diagonally and do not follow any highways, and sometimes even through the water! Must have a virus or something and should delete and redownload.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 07:29:56 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 14, 2021, 04:28:52 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 04:20:52 PM
I just realized there are two I-695s in NY, and they are both almost as tiny!
Try looking at the map again.
My maps designate both as interstates, although my maps sometimes have the habit of occasionally labeling certain routes as such, such as the Lincoln tunnel as I-495 or route 90 in NJ as I-90. Sometimes even route 440 near Amboy shows up as a blue and red symbol!
Maybe you might want to look at some other maps that may be more reliable. What maps do you currently use?
Quote from: 1 on August 14, 2021, 08:07:11 PM
Regarding a route that is all four directions:
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 08, 2020, 03:15:01 PM
This is in eastern Knoxville TN - https://goo.gl/maps/cj9wGmvQSussrjeo6
You are on US 11E south, US 25W north, US 70 west, and unsigned TN 9 north. The sign says TN 168 west is to the left.
TN 168 east is also (unsigned) straight ahead.
TN 168 was extended over US 11E-70 when US 25W was moved to I-40 and 640. Though not necessary, TN 9 was also moved with it. Thus there was no state designation on US 11E-70 west of I-40. They put TN 168 on it. Maps show this (https://vintageaerial.com/scanned_maps/TN-Knox-85-01) and there is a TN 168 mile posting at the US 11E-11W split - https://goo.gl/maps/whkXNQMejqRuBz4U9
So while not posted, it does exist on a 0.9 mile stretch of highway in Tennessee.
I still feel that some intrepid forum member should ninja-post the proper TN 9 sign at that location and photograph it. Said member would become an instant forum celebrity
Imagine taking your road test in that area with the 8 signs
Quote from: dlsterner on August 14, 2021, 08:37:02 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 07:29:56 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 14, 2021, 04:28:52 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 04:20:52 PM
I just realized there are two I-695s in NY, and they are both almost as tiny!
Try looking at the map again.
My maps designate both as interstates, although my maps sometimes have the habit of occasionally labeling certain routes as such, such as the Lincoln tunnel as I-495 or route 90 in NJ as I-90. Sometimes even route 440 near Amboy shows up as a blue and red symbol!
Maybe you might want to look at some other maps that may be more reliable. What maps do you currently use?
Most of the time I just use Google maps on my phone but the offline ones you can draw on them so once I figure out how to take a Screencast on it I could try to upload my design for several new highway.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 09:06:03 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on August 14, 2021, 08:37:02 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 07:29:56 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 14, 2021, 04:28:52 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 04:20:52 PM
I just realized there are two I-695s in NY, and they are both almost as tiny!
Try looking at the map again.
My maps designate both as interstates, although my maps sometimes have the habit of occasionally labeling certain routes as such, such as the Lincoln tunnel as I-495 or route 90 in NJ as I-90. Sometimes even route 440 near Amboy shows up as a blue and red symbol!
Maybe you might want to look at some other maps that may be more reliable. What maps do you currently use?
Most of the time I just use Google maps on my phone but the offline ones you can draw on them so once I figure out how to take a Screencast on it I could try to upload my design for several new highway.
Google Maps does not mislabel roads as Interstates except for a few weird edge cases involving international boundaries that have probably been fixed by now.
Quote from: dlsterner on August 14, 2021, 08:41:36 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 14, 2021, 08:07:11 PM
Regarding a route that is all four directions:
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 08, 2020, 03:15:01 PM
This is in eastern Knoxville TN - https://goo.gl/maps/cj9wGmvQSussrjeo6
You are on US 11E south, US 25W north, US 70 west, and unsigned TN 9 north. The sign says TN 168 west is to the left.
TN 168 east is also (unsigned) straight ahead.
TN 168 was extended over US 11E-70 when US 25W was moved to I-40 and 640. Though not necessary, TN 9 was also moved with it. Thus there was no state designation on US 11E-70 west of I-40. They put TN 168 on it. Maps show this (https://vintageaerial.com/scanned_maps/TN-Knox-85-01) and there is a TN 168 mile posting at the US 11E-11W split - https://goo.gl/maps/whkXNQMejqRuBz4U9
So while not posted, it does exist on a 0.9 mile stretch of highway in Tennessee.
I still feel that some intrepid forum member should ninja-post the proper TN 9 sign at that location and photograph it. Said member would become an instant forum celebrity
It also needs a TN 168 sign, so work quickly...
I don't remember if the one on my computer was based on Google maps or not, probably not, all I know is it constantly flip flops between what it labels as such.
The one definitive weird route in Iowa is IA 136. It goes WNW from the Mississippi River in Clinton to Oxford Junction, then turns north to end at IA 3 in Luxemburg. It would still be weird if they decide to end it at US 20/52 in Dyersville.
Another weird right angle route in Iowa is IA 188.
Another one in my mind: US 68. Goes completely E-W for the westernmost third of the route, then SW-NE for the middle third, then a straight N-S in Ohio. Wasted 2dus number that could've been used on a route like US 412, and US 68 acts like, and fits better as a number like 162.
US 101, despite it being a two digit number with three digits, it's northern hook around to head south again to Olympia, WA is crazy. It should end in Port Angela's as you have the Victoria Ferry there to Canada. The rest of the Route could be a WA State designation of some other number.
US-62 has to be on the list. What does that route do? It's several distinct useful state highways plus a variety of segments that only need to be county roads, all branded with one number.
US 202 is just overall weird. North-South in some states, East-West in others (both in CT). More than half of it is multiplexed with other routes. In DE, it spawns a state route with the same number after a pair of totally unnecessary concurrencies with DE 141 and I-95 (it begins as a concurrency with DE 141 over 600 miles from its parent). It could easily be decommissioned and replaced with the extension or rerouting of several routes.
Quote from: roadman65 on August 14, 2021, 11:13:36 PM
US 101, despite it being a two digit number with three digits, it's northern hook around to head south again to Olympia, WA is crazy. It should end in Port Angela's as you have the Victoria Ferry there to Canada. The rest of the Route could be a WA State designation of some other number.
Having the bulk of the Olympic Loop under one number makes more sense.
US 101 should be upgraded toan expressway it's entire length and be designated I-1.
Georgia SR 20.. I feel like GDOT was bored when they made this a route.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 09:52:32 AM
US 101 should be upgraded toan expressway it's entire length and be designated I-1.
Why did that read like something that FritzOwl would say?
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 09:52:32 AM
US 101 should be upgraded toan expressway it's entire length and be designated I-1.
Good luck with Last Chance Grade. They can't even come up with a bypass for it due to environmental impacts of the area, so a freeway there would be next a miracle to obtain.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 09:52:32 AM
US 101 should be upgraded toan expressway it's entire length and be designated I-1.
Clearly someone who hasn't driven it much.
Nope, never been to California, but I mean they have an interstate 2 but not a 1!!! If they had an I-1, I would fly to CA just to drive on it.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 10:45:22 AM
Nope, never been to California, but I mean they have an interstate 2 but not a 1!!! If they had an I-1, I would fly to CA just to drive on it.
Ugh Texas is I-2. Wrong state.
Quote from: roadman65 on August 15, 2021, 10:52:31 AM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 10:45:22 AM
Nope, never been to California, but I mean they have an interstate 2 but not a 1!!! If they had an I-1, I would fly to CA just to drive on it.
Ugh Texas is I-2. Wrong state.
I know it's in Texas, by
they I just meant it exists in the US. They should also build an I-995 and I-999 somewhere on the east coast.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 14, 2021, 07:58:49 PM
The approximately 0.09 miles of CA 225 that still exists as a rail underpass.
In that vein..the portion of Route 275 that still exists (just the Tower Bridge and nothing else of the route)!
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Since Route 18 was already mentioned, another set of California examples:
- the north-south part of Route 84, which navigationally doesn't really jive with the more well known east-west portion (even if Vasco Road corridor someday was actually signed as 84 to connect the two segments)
- Route 238 even if the I-238 segment was still state route only - the "bump" with 580 means that those two segments really do not operate as one cohesive route at all. If anything, the state route portion of 238 really should be tied together with 185 instead.
- Route 14U
- Route 121 (which pre-1964 was the original Route 37 past Sears Point) - essentially, direct north then direct east with a concurrency, then direct north with another concurrency, then direct east, before heading north/northeast. A zig-zag of a route from 37 all the way to the end at Route 128.
- L-shaped corridors like Route 193 and 175, and to a degree Route 70, where it is extremely unlikely one would realistically try to follow the designation end-to-end.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 10:45:22 AM
Nope, never been to California, but I mean they have an interstate 2 but not a 1!!! If they had an I-1, I would fly to CA just to drive on it.
There's a CA 1 that people fly to CA from other countries just to drive on. Why is an I-1 needed in the state and when it's going to duplicate or replace the numbering of the internationally known PCH?
Quote from: SkyPesos on August 15, 2021, 11:25:04 AM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 10:45:22 AM
Nope, never been to California, but I mean they have an interstate 2 but not a 1!!! If they had an I-1, I would fly to CA just to drive on it.
There's a CA 1 that people fly to CA from other countries just to drive on. Why is an I-1 needed in the state and when it's going to duplicate or replace the numbering of the internationally known PCH?
Do you know how many drivers are losing their minds trying to sleep at night knowing there's an I-2 but not an I-1? It's psychological torture. I live near a route 1 in NJ, big deal, but that beautiful blue red interstate sign...
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 12:17:37 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on August 15, 2021, 11:25:04 AM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 10:45:22 AM
Nope, never been to California, but I mean they have an interstate 2 but not a 1!!! If they had an I-1, I would fly to CA just to drive on it.
There's a CA 1 that people fly to CA from other countries just to drive on. Why is an I-1 needed in the state and when it's going to duplicate or replace the numbering of the internationally known PCH?
Do you know how many drivers are losing their minds trying to sleep at night knowing there's an I-2 but not an I-1?
One... Just you.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 04:20:52 PM
I just realized there are two I-695s in NY, and they are both almost as tiny!
I know of I-695 in The Bronx. Where is the other one?
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 04:27:08 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on August 14, 2021, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 04:20:52 PM
I just realized there are two I-695s in NY, and they are both almost as tiny!
Where's the other I-695? Normally, 3di numbers can't be duplicated within a state, and I-95 in NY isn't that long.
The Throgsneck expressway, and the one near the great NYS fairgrounds. I swear though the Throgsneck expressway should just be part of I-295 and the current I-295 stretch between the Bruckner interchange and the Throgsneck Bridge should be part of I-278.
There isn't an I-695 near the NYS Fairgrounds and I-95 doesn't go anywhere near there to even have a child in that area. That is NY-695 not I-695.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 14, 2021, 08:12:00 PM
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Quote from: thspfc on August 14, 2021, 07:51:26 PM
WI-47 has almost as much mileage concurrent with another route (notably WI-29, WI-55, US-45, and US-8) as it does by itself.
WI-23, which is 211 miles long, makes a pretty much 90 degree turn roughly halfway through at Reedsburg.
I read there is a triple interstate concurrency in Wisconsin involving 41, 43, and 894, as well as multiple local routes following along them.
US-41 follows I-41 for its entire length, but its not signed regularly. There are no other routes along that multiplex.
Along this tripleplex, I-41 north runs with I-43 south and vice versa.
More like I-41 follows US-41 for it's entire length.
Quote from: Ketchup99 on August 15, 2021, 12:49:27 AM
US-62 has to be on the list. What does that route do? It's several distinct useful state highways plus a variety of segments that only need to be county roads, all branded with one number.
Connects Mexico and Canada going east and west.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 09:52:32 AM
US 101 should be upgraded toan expressway it's entire length and be designated I-1.
Are you related to Fritzowl?
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 15, 2021, 12:48:09 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 09:52:32 AM
US 101 should be upgraded toan expressway it's entire length and be designated I-1.
Are you related to Fritzowl?
It's FritzOwl's burner.
I hated giving directions on the interstate when I lived in Portsmouth, VA. EB I-64 comes into Norfolk with traffic going SE, then due south, then SW, then due west across the High Rise Bridge, and finally EB I-64 travelers are driving NW into Bowers Hill where it ends at the junction of I-64, I-264, and I-664 (plus US 13, US 58, US 460, and VA 191). Telling out-of-area drivers to drive west on EB I-64 to I-664 to WB I-64 (avoiding the HRBT) to head back to Richmond or DC was always interesting to explain.
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 15, 2021, 12:41:49 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 04:20:52 PM
I just realized there are two I-695s in NY, and they are both almost as tiny!
I know of I-695 in The Bronx. Where is the other one?
NVM, the other one is just a state route that my glitch maps designated Interstate. I don't think any state has multiple of the same interstate within the same state.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 02:29:17 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 15, 2021, 12:41:49 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 04:20:52 PM
I just realized there are two I-695s in NY, and they are both almost as tiny!
I know of I-695 in The Bronx. Where is the other one?
NVM, the other one is just a state route that my glitch maps designated Interstate. I don't think any state has multiple of the same interstate within the same state.
I-405 in Portland is 5 miles south of the Washington border, that's probably the closest.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 09:52:32 AM
US 101 should be upgraded toan expressway it's entire length and be designated I-1.
No, not in a million years.
The Pacific Coast, especially in Washington, is sparsely populated and is valued for its scenic beauty. A freeway would ruin delicate local environments, harm local salmon (which are already in danger because of heat and tire pollution), and would cost billions that we could better spend on other needs.
US 101 is fine as it is. If you're looking to spend billions on the coastal communities, then upgrading tsunami evacuation routes is the way to go.
Part of the scenic beauty of mountains are the nice slim Grey curvy lines you see snaking through them. I-80 is your tsunami evacuation route.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 07:41:53 PM
Part of the scenic beauty of mountains are the nice slim Grey curvy lines you see snaking through them. I-80 is your tsunami evacuation route.
I-80 comes nowhere close to the Pacific Northwest.
Quote from: SkyPesos on August 15, 2021, 07:45:32 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 07:41:53 PM
Part of the scenic beauty of mountains are the nice slim Grey curvy lines you see snaking through them. I-80 is your tsunami evacuation route.
I-80 comes nowhere close to the Pacific Northwest.
It goes all the way to San Francisco and I-90 takes care of the northern most western states.
Clearly a freeway would improve this spot. :rolleyes:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9001946,-123.7534966,3a,75y,123.3h,87.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVoNr8kY_WqpHDSVNwLqe4Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Or here.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7429604,-124.1683619,3a,75y,146.27h,82.86t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1slNYwzqgbJVI1kEhUIo9rhQ!2e0!5s20180601T000000!7i13312!8i6656
US 101 between Los Angeles and some point north of San Francisco (thinking San Rafael, Santa Rosa or Cloverdale) could theoretically be designated as an I-3, with the exception of the section between I-880 and I-580. Other than that, the route is fine as is.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 07:41:53 PM
Part of the scenic beauty of mountains are the nice slim Grey curvy lines you see snaking through them. I-80 is your tsunami evacuation route.
Olympic National Park would lose its UNESCO World Heritage status if it had a freeway rammed through it. Construction would be extremely disruptive to everything and would leave deep scars in the landscape.
Also, the main tsunami risk zone for the Cascadia subduction zone starts far north of San Francisco. Besides that, a full-fledged freeway is not exactly an ideal tsunami evacuation route (especially if there's barriers). Just need to get people to higher ground within the small window after an earthquake, so a four-lane undivided road for a few miles would be sufficient.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 02:29:17 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 15, 2021, 12:41:49 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 04:20:52 PM
I just realized there are two I-695s in NY, and they are both almost as tiny!
I know of I-695 in The Bronx. Where is the other one?
I don't think any state has multiple of the same interstate within the same state.
They don't. It's one of the rules of the system. They can use the same number in another state tho.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 15, 2021, 07:51:47 PM
Clearly a freeway would improve this spot. :rolleyes:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9001946,-123.7534966,3a,75y,123.3h,87.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVoNr8kY_WqpHDSVNwLqe4Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Or here.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7429604,-124.1683619,3a,75y,146.27h,82.86t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1slNYwzqgbJVI1kEhUIo9rhQ!2e0!5s20180601T000000!7i13312!8i6656
Actually, 101 on the beach south of Crescent City, as pictured, leads directly to the always-ready-to-slide-into-the-ocean Last Chance Grade (discussed over in SW); an inland bypass, probably at least to 2-lane expressway standards, would likely be located somewhere to the left of the picture's aspect. The beach road would be the old alignment; if not for the aforementioned grade, D1 would likely ask the state legislature to recommission it as a scenic alternative to 101 along the lines of CA 254 and CA 271 to the south -- but with that grade included, they'd just as soon relinquish it to Del Norte County to become a local facility. They've been putting it off for decades -- but seeing as how the 101 segment between Klamath and the beach pictured could be rendered unusable with any winter's weather, a bypass might happen sooner than later.
And BTW -- While branching off one, NY 695 in the Syracuse area is
not an Interstate, just a short freeway connector between I-690 and NY 5, deriving its number from 690.
You're new to this "roads" thing, aren't you? I guess we have start somewhere.
Perhaps you should visit these places in person before deciding whether an Interstate Highway would improve the look.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 07:41:53 PM
Part of the scenic beauty of mountains are the nice slim Grey curvy lines you see snaking through them.
Bad ideas made fresh every day.
Quote from: formulanone on August 16, 2021, 09:12:50 AM
You're new to this "roads" thing, aren't you? I guess we have start somewhere.
Perhaps you should visit these places in person before deciding whether an Interstate Highway would improve the look.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 07:41:53 PM
Part of the scenic beauty of mountains are the nice slim Grey curvy lines you see snaking through them.
Bad ideas made fresh every day.
In my opinion traffic efficiency in general should be prioritized over scenic beauty. No amount of AWE from visiting these places would change my mind about adding a measly 100 foot wide interstate through them. Also, tunnels through the mountains do nothing to the scenery.
Quote from: sparker on August 16, 2021, 08:39:46 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 15, 2021, 07:51:47 PM
Clearly a freeway would improve this spot. :rolleyes:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9001946,-123.7534966,3a,75y,123.3h,87.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVoNr8kY_WqpHDSVNwLqe4Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Or here.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7429604,-124.1683619,3a,75y,146.27h,82.86t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1slNYwzqgbJVI1kEhUIo9rhQ!2e0!5s20180601T000000!7i13312!8i6656
Actually, 101 on the beach south of Crescent City, as pictured, leads directly to the always-ready-to-slide-into-the-ocean Last Chance Grade (discussed over in SW); an inland bypass, probably at least to 2-lane expressway standards, would likely be located somewhere to the left of the picture's aspect. The beach road would be the old alignment; if not for the aforementioned grade, D1 would likely ask the state legislature to recommission it as a scenic alternative to 101 along the lines of CA 254 and CA 271 to the south -- but with that grade included, they'd just as soon relinquish it to Del Norte County to become a local facility. They've been putting it off for decades -- but seeing as how the 101 segment between Klamath and the beach pictured could be rendered unusable with any winter's weather, a bypass might happen sooner than later.
And BTW -- While branching off one, NY 695 in the Syracuse area is not an Interstate, just a short freeway connector between I-690 and NY 5, deriving its number from 690.
Speaking of Cresent City, that should be the northern terminus of I-11, completing it's Northwest Route through Tuscon, Phoenix, Vegas, Carson City, Reno, and finally ending in Crescent City California.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 16, 2021, 11:25:43 AM
Quote from: formulanone on August 16, 2021, 09:12:50 AM
You're new to this "roads" thing, aren't you? I guess we have start somewhere.
Perhaps you should visit these places in person before deciding whether an Interstate Highway would improve the look.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 07:41:53 PM
Part of the scenic beauty of mountains are the nice slim Grey curvy lines you see snaking through them.
Bad ideas made fresh every day.
In my opinion traffic efficiency in general should be prioritized over scenic beauty. No amount of AWE from visiting these places would change my mind about adding a measly 100 foot wide interstate through them. Also, tunnels through the mountains do nothing to the scenery.
Can confirm that you sound like FritzOwl here...
Quote from: SkyPesos on August 16, 2021, 11:33:16 AM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 16, 2021, 11:25:43 AM
Quote from: formulanone on August 16, 2021, 09:12:50 AM
You're new to this "roads" thing, aren't you? I guess we have start somewhere.
Perhaps you should visit these places in person before deciding whether an Interstate Highway would improve the look.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 07:41:53 PM
Part of the scenic beauty of mountains are the nice slim Grey curvy lines you see snaking through them.
Bad ideas made fresh every day.
In my opinion traffic efficiency in general should be prioritized over scenic beauty. No amount of AWE from visiting these places would change my mind about adding a measly 100 foot wide interstate through them. Also, tunnels through the mountains do nothing to the scenery.
Can confirm that you sound like FritzOwl here...
Is it time for "Compilation: Mike2357 in one thread" yet? He wasted no time picking up the spam-poster baton from the other one that was recently resolved... :spin:
No clue who that is, think I saw him in one of the pinned threads, but nope I only ever first learned of this site when I looked up online why the hell I-76 didn't include the Atlantic city expressway, and the thread on that subject came up. I swear I am not a troll, I literally have 0 other Social media, deleted Facebook, youtube, Twitter, quora, citydata.com months ago. This site however looks like a genuine place for gallimaufary and intelligent discussion.
I've already filled 3 notebooks on my interstate highway plans, as they are constantly being refined and perfected. My hands started aching though from all the writing so being able to type on this site was a blessing.
I think he's just acting like a kid, similarly to Roadgeekteen and tolbs17. Note the thread created just to make a single joke as well as the "land on the sun" series of posts.
HighwayStar was described as a "keyboard warrior" by someone else. Mike2357 may have some of the same beliefs, particularly that cars are superior, but there's a huge difference: HighwayStar thinks he's morally superior and will attack anyone who goes against him.
That said, Roadgeekteen did get a temporary ban in 2017 for making useless posts, as did tolbs17 within the last month, and Angelo71 (even more of a kid) just simply left for about a month.
Yep, 21 years old is now considered a kid these days...
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 16, 2021, 11:50:32 AM
No clue who that is, think I saw him in one of the pinned threads, but nope I only ever first learned of this site when I looked up online why the hell I-76 didn't include the Atlantic city expressway, and the thread on that subject came up. I swear I am not a troll, I literally have 0 other Social media, deleted Facebook, youtube, Twitter, quora, citydata.com months ago. This site however looks like a genuine place for gallimaufary and intelligent discussion.
There's a thread in fictional called "Compilation: FritzOwl in one thread" , which is for his absurd interstate highway plans, like replacing US routes with an AADT of 3, having 20 E-W interstatws end in California, building interstates on barrier islands and Alaska, and interstates on ferries across the Gulf of Mexico.
Quote from: jmacswimmer on August 16, 2021, 11:48:46 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on August 16, 2021, 11:33:16 AM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 16, 2021, 11:25:43 AM
Quote from: formulanone on August 16, 2021, 09:12:50 AM
You're new to this "roads" thing, aren't you? I guess we have start somewhere.
Perhaps you should visit these places in person before deciding whether an Interstate Highway would improve the look.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 07:41:53 PM
Part of the scenic beauty of mountains are the nice slim Grey curvy lines you see snaking through them.
Bad ideas made fresh every day.
In my opinion traffic efficiency in general should be prioritized over scenic beauty. No amount of AWE from visiting these places would change my mind about adding a measly 100 foot wide interstate through them. Also, tunnels through the mountains do nothing to the scenery.
Can confirm that you sound like FritzOwl here...
Is it time for "Compilation: Mike2357 in one thread" yet? He wasted no time picking up the spam-poster baton from the other one that was recently resolved... :spin:
Just a matter of time before another "peekaboo" thread.
Oh Ok yeah he sounds weird. No I-s should have a ferry connection. I did have a plan for a 20,000 mile transcontinental highway involving a tunnel under the Bering Straight, but I think I'll stop embarassing myself here and let owl take the medal for now. Besides isn't this site only for US roads, would international ones be considered spam?
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 16, 2021, 12:08:16 PM
Oh Ok yeah he sounds weird. No I-s should have a ferry connection. I did have a plan for a 20,000 mile transcontinental highway involving a tunnel under the Bering Straight, but I think I'll stop embarassing myself here and let owl take the medal for now. Besides isn't this site only for US roads, would international ones be considered spam?
This site isn't limited to the US, but almost all members are from the US or Canada.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 16, 2021, 12:08:16 PMBesides isn't this site only for US roads, would international ones be considered spam?
Nope. Canadian and Mexican roads are common topics here, and there are dedicated threads in the "International highways" section for other countries. Personally, I talk about roads and traffic control in China here a bit.
Got it.
And remember, there's a Fantasy board. Several of your posts in this thread are pure fantasy. I'm surprised some didn't get moderated.
Quote from: GaryV on August 16, 2021, 12:40:05 PM
And remember, there's a Fantasy board. Several of your posts in this thread are pure fantasy. I'm surprised some didn't get moderated.
The thread started talking about weird routes in different states, not sure how it devolved into my highway extension rants. I tried to get back on top a couple times but failed miserably. Another weird route where I live is the Jackie Robinson parkway ( of all roads this should have a NUMBER lol) it leaves from the middle of nowhere brooklyn and whisks you away to the grand central parkway, so it has a purpose but it literally treks through 6-7 different cemeteries and looks like a wiggly worm. It would be more useful as a go-kart racetrack.
In Markham, Ontario, there's is a route which I find to be rather strange.
It's Donald Cousens Parkway, formerly known as the Markham Bypass.
It's a road constructed to bypass Main Street Markham/Markham Road, which goes through the "historic downtown" of Markham. Main Street Markham also has a truck prohibition.
The problem with DCP is that it goes away far out - 4 km away from Main Street Markham. Not only that, neither end actually connects to the road it is supposed to bypass. The northern connection is slated for construction in 2026, but the southern end will never connect due to opposition by the City of Toronto.
It seems like if truck drivers actually wanted to bypass, a closer route would just be Ninth Line (which is the arterial you see that is between DCP and Main Street.
Here's a map to illustrate: blue is DCP, red it Main Street, the circled section is the historic downtown area
(https://i.imgur.com/PHcUr0S.png)
It looks like it is just trying to go around the perimeter, but I see what you mean it doesn't reconnect with the primary route. Most beltways connect to virtually every other thru-traffic roadway, be it a route or interstate.
I would like to add I-180 in WY to this list, can't tell if that is supposed to be a shortcut of some kind but doesn't even look limited access at all. Got this from the FritzOwl Compilation thread. The hard part is ranking these 4: 180, 381, 581, and 587
^ Where exactly is the issue with I-581?
Quote from: 1 on August 14, 2021, 09:08:09 PM
Google Maps does not mislabel roads as Interstates except for a few weird edge cases involving international boundaries that have probably been fixed by now.
False - see CA 15, which is not an interstate south of I-8.
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 16, 2021, 01:45:19 PM
^ Where exactly is the issue with I-581?
It's just sticking out from I-81 and barely going anywhere.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 16, 2021, 01:55:04 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 16, 2021, 01:45:19 PM
^ Where exactly is the issue with I-581?
It's just sticking out from I-81 and barely going anywhere.
So what? How is I-581 different from Florida's I-195, I-395, I-175, and I-375, or Mississippi's and Florida's I-110s, or Maine's I-195, I-395, or I-495....to name but a few very short 3dis?
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 16, 2021, 01:55:04 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 16, 2021, 01:45:19 PM
^ Where exactly is the issue with I-581?
It's just sticking out from I-81 and barely going anywhere.
Where do you want interstate spurs into cities to go? Seems like even the shortest ones mostly accomplish this.
I-581 in particular makes it all the way through central Roanoke and has 6 interchanges not counting I-81.
I-587 (NY) does not directly connect to any other Interstate. It's mileage ends before the Thruway entrance, which is at a rotary carrying NY 28.
Quote from: SkyPesos on August 14, 2021, 10:17:47 PM
Another one in my mind: US 68. Goes completely E-W for the westernmost third of the route, then SW-NE for the middle third, then a straight N-S in Ohio. Wasted 2dus number that could've been used on a route like US 412, and US 68 acts like, and fits better as a number like 162.
US 412 should be US 66. It fits the grid.
My top 3 weird routes - one state, one US, and one interstate:
OH-37. Winding through the hills of SE Ohio, skirts north of Columbus, then turns north through the flat farmlands.
US-68. Does this really need to be a 2 digit route? Does it really need to be one route?
I-94. Should have ended in Milwaukee. Give Detroit to Chicago I-90 or I-92. No real reason to use one number.
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on August 16, 2021, 03:20:55 PM
My top 3 weird routes - one state, one US, and one interstate:
OH-37. Winding through the hills of SE Ohio, skirts north of Columbus, then turns north through the flat farmlands.
US-68. Does this really need to be a 2 digit route? Does it really need to be one route?
I-94. Should have ended in Milwaukee. Give Detroit to Chicago I-90 or I-92. No real reason to use one number.
I completely dismantled I-94 except the Lake Station-Port Huron portion in my fictional map.
OK guys , maybe not 581, but definitely 381
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on August 16, 2021, 03:20:55 PM
My top 3 weird routes - one state, one US, and one interstate:
OH-37. Winding through the hills of SE Ohio, skirts north of Columbus, then turns north through the flat farmlands.
US-68. Does this really need to be a 2 digit route? Does it really need to be one route?
I-94. Should have ended in Milwaukee. Give Detroit to Chicago I-90 or I-92. No real reason to use one number.
You're going to use an I-x0 for a short 300 mile Detroit to Chicago route?
I've said it before but KY 620 is a spiral. With one of its endpoints, at US 25, being between two other junctions of US 25.
Can't post a direct link but if you click here set your prefix to be "KY" and the number to be "620" to see it highlighted.
https://maps.kytc.ky.gov/generalhighway/
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 16, 2021, 08:32:27 PM
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on August 16, 2021, 03:20:55 PM
My top 3 weird routes - one state, one US, and one interstate:
OH-37. Winding through the hills of SE Ohio, skirts north of Columbus, then turns north through the flat farmlands.
US-68. Does this really need to be a 2 digit route? Does it really need to be one route?
I-94. Should have ended in Milwaukee. Give Detroit to Chicago I-90 or I-92. No real reason to use one number.
You're going to use an I-x0 for a short 300 mile Detroit to Chicago route?
No. 90 would be Seattle to Detroit, and 92 would be Cleveland to Boston (or if that's too long, extend 86 and 88, and have 92 from Erie to Albany).
Quote from: CardInLex on August 16, 2021, 08:34:22 PM
I've said it before but KY 620 is a spiral. With one of its endpoints, at US 25, being between two other junctions of US 25.
Okay, that's a unique one; it's not a partial "beltway", or three-legged Y-route, but it's definitely a spiral (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&u=formulanone&r=ky.ky0620).
Quote from: CardInLex on August 16, 2021, 08:34:22 PM
I've said it before but KY 620 is a spiral. With one of its endpoints, at US 25, being between two other junctions of US 25.
Can't post a direct link but if you click here set your prefix to be "KY" and the number to be "620" to see it highlighted.
https://maps.kytc.ky.gov/generalhighway/
Nice, yo that is cool. That is the kind of material I want in this thread, I gotta take a trip there just to drive on that 😍
Quote from: 1 on August 16, 2021, 08:37:49 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 16, 2021, 08:32:27 PM
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on August 16, 2021, 03:20:55 PM
My top 3 weird routes - one state, one US, and one interstate:
OH-37. Winding through the hills of SE Ohio, skirts north of Columbus, then turns north through the flat farmlands.
US-68. Does this really need to be a 2 digit route? Does it really need to be one route?
I-94. Should have ended in Milwaukee. Give Detroit to Chicago I-90 or I-92. No real reason to use one number.
You're going to use an I-x0 for a short 300 mile Detroit to Chicago route?
No. 90 would be Seattle to Detroit, and 92 would be Cleveland to Boston (or if that's too long, extend 86 and 88, and have 92 from Erie to Albany).
I-90 going to Boston makes the most sense though it gives it the coast to coast route. Sometimes geographical things get in the way it looks like I-94 was meant to go across the lake but of course the lake is too wide so you have to go around it. But then again I-94 on the west side of the lake lines up more with I-96 on the east side of the lake. Still though it takes a jog around the lake and possibly meant to be a Detroit-Chicago-Milwaukee-Twin Cities route.
Quote from: CardInLex on August 16, 2021, 08:34:22 PM
I've said it before but KY 620 is a spiral. With one of its endpoints, at US 25, being between two other junctions of US 25.
Can't post a direct link but if you click here set your prefix to be "KY" and the number to be "620" to see it highlighted.
https://maps.kytc.ky.gov/generalhighway/
Now that is one of the strangest routes I have ever seen.
And I just realized that I stayed at the Motel 6 at the I-75 exit in February of this year.
Wonder what they label the directions?
Inward/Outward or Clockwise/CounterClockwise?
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 16, 2021, 09:46:05 PM
Wonder what they label the directions?
Inward/Outward or Clockwise/CounterClockwise?
I know at the I-75 exit it's signed east and west.
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 16, 2021, 09:48:48 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 16, 2021, 09:46:05 PM
Wonder what they label the directions?
Inward/Outward or Clockwise/CounterClockwise?
I know at the I-75 exit it's signed east and west.
And if the reason is terrain (that would explain 3/4 of a circle but not a spiral shape) then it is also going up and down and should be designated up/down. So it's actually a 3d spiral...
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 16, 2021, 10:01:55 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 16, 2021, 09:48:48 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 16, 2021, 09:46:05 PM
Wonder what they label the directions?
Inward/Outward or Clockwise/CounterClockwise?
I know at the I-75 exit it's signed east and west.
And if the reason is terrain (that would explain 3/4 of a circle but not a spiral shape) then it is also going up and down and should be designated up/down. So it's actually a 3d spiral...
All the intersections I see with it just sign KY-620 with an double sided arrow for both directions with no directional plate.
I gotta check it out some day.
That is trippy.
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 16, 2021, 09:48:48 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 16, 2021, 09:46:05 PM
Wonder what they label the directions?
Inward/Outward or Clockwise/CounterClockwise?
I know at the I-75 exit it's signed east and west.
It is labeled E-W throughout and does not change as 620's orientation changes around. At the I-75 exit it is signed the opposite of actual east-west.
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on August 16, 2021, 02:52:19 PM
US 412 should be US 66. It fits the grid.
Can you imagine the outrage among the Historic Route 66 tourism industry, if US-66 were re-designated somewhere else?
Quote from: kphoger on August 17, 2021, 09:53:13 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on August 16, 2021, 02:52:19 PM
US 412 should be US 66. It fits the grid.
Can you imagine the outrage among the Historic Route 66 tourism industry, if US-66 were re-designated somewhere else?
If I recall correct the standard rhetoric from Avalanche on the topic is that nostalgia for a long dead US Route has little to no value.
Like, moral value? Or financial value? Or political value?
Quote from: kphoger on August 17, 2021, 10:19:56 AM
Like, moral value? Or financial value? Or political value?
All of the above I believe. He'll have to chime in to fully explain his reasoning
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 16, 2021, 09:26:04 PM
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Quote from: JCinSummerfield on August 16, 2021, 03:20:55 PM
My top 3 weird routes - one state, one US, and one interstate:
OH-37. Winding through the hills of SE Ohio, skirts north of Columbus, then turns north through the flat farmlands.
US-68. Does this really need to be a 2 digit route? Does it really need to be one route?
I-94. Should have ended in Milwaukee. Give Detroit to Chicago I-90 or I-92. No real reason to use one number.
You're going to use an I-x0 for a short 300 mile Detroit to Chicago route?
No. 90 would be Seattle to Detroit, and 92 would be Cleveland to Boston (or if that's too long, extend 86 and 88, and have 92 from Erie to Albany).
I-90 going to Boston makes the most sense though it gives it the coast to coast route. Sometimes geographical things get in the way it looks like I-94 was meant to go across the lake but of course the lake is too wide so you have to go around it. But then again I-94 on the west side of the lake lines up more with I-96 on the east side of the lake. Still though it takes a jog around the lake and possibly meant to be a Detroit-Chicago-Milwaukee-Twin Cities route.
If you look at the history of the interstate system, there wasn't originally a plan for an interstate between Milwaukee and Green Bay - it came about 10 years later. In addition, Illinois didn't want I-57 extended through Chicago. So for Milwaukee to have an interstate connection to both Chicago and Madison, it made sense for it to be the same number.
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 17, 2021, 06:25:49 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 16, 2021, 09:48:48 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 16, 2021, 09:46:05 PM
Wonder what they label the directions?
Inward/Outward or Clockwise/CounterClockwise?
I know at the I-75 exit it's signed east and west.
It is labeled E-W throughout and does not change as 620's orientation changes around. At the I-75 exit it is signed the opposite of actual east-west.
What do you mean the opposite?
Argument for I-94: As I've commented a number of times, I-94 is the "business route" of the Upper Midwest hitting Fargo, MSP, Madison, Milwaukee, Chicago, and Detroit, so it makes sense for this corridor to have one number, and I'd argue it's even more important given long-distance traffic will be deviating from I-94 between Madison and Chicago to come back to one number when they meet up with 94 again.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 17, 2021, 12:22:02 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 17, 2021, 06:25:49 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 16, 2021, 09:48:48 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 16, 2021, 09:46:05 PM
Wonder what they label the directions?
Inward/Outward or Clockwise/CounterClockwise?
I know at the I-75 exit it's signed east and west.
It is labeled E-W throughout and does not change as 620's orientation changes around. At the I-75 exit it is signed the opposite of actual east-west.
What do you mean the opposite?
I-75 NB ramp says 620 west is to the right when it is physically east.
Yep, that's why it would make more sense to designate Clockwise and CounterClockwise.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 17, 2021, 12:41:36 PM
Yep, that's why it would make more sense to designate Clockwise and CounterClockwise.
I think it would make more sense to have no directions posted at all.
But I get the point about I-94 ending in Milwaukee. Ideally, I-55 running up the Edens Expressway and the current I-41/94 to Milwaukee, and I-43 to Green Bay makes perfect sense.
I think OH-163 fits the bill. Most of it runs east-west, but when it gets to the end of the Marblehead peninsula, it turns south and then west, so you are going due west on "East OH-163". And then, when it gets to Quarry Road, the designation ends, and you are now on Ottawa County 135.
If you look at this on Google maps, it shows the southern leg as CR 135, but Rand McNally shows it correctly as OH-163.
Quote from: frankenroad on August 17, 2021, 03:51:17 PM
I think OH-163 fits the bill. Most of it runs east-west, but when it gets to the end of the Marblehead peninsula, it turns south and then west, so you are going due west on "East OH-163". And then, when it gets to Quarry Road, the designation ends, and you are now on Ottawa County 135.
If you look at this on Google maps, it shows the southern leg as CR 135, but Rand McNally shows it correctly as OH-163.
Another Ohio state highway sort of like this is OH-703 down by Grand Lake Saint Mary's.
It goes west from Saint Mary's to Celina, hugging the north shore of the lake. That makes sense. It then duplexes with OH-29, goes west to US-127, where it duplexes with that highway for several miles going south, only to now turn east to go 1 mile to Montezuma.
The southwestern part of the highway is important enough to be a state highway (Ohio signs ALL KINDS of roads as state highways after all). But give that 1-mile stretch of highway a different number than 703. Then it could be signed directionally correctly too (that southwestern portion is basically 180 degrees off in cardinality).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_State_Route_703
Another highway from my area that should be on this list is the Nassau Expressway. It is a 1-directional highway, only eastbound. It's designated 878 despite not connecting to 78, should probably be a part of route 27, but nope and it just parallels the belt parkway, with another exit just to get back onto it, and then is no longer an expressway the rest of the route to Atlantic Beach. A westbound addition would help relieve some of the traffic near 678 and JFK Airport.
If we lock a thread because the title contains an demeaning word, that means stop using that word, and definitely don't start thinking up people you feel it applies to.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 17, 2021, 06:06:55 PM
Another highway from my area that should be on this list is the Nassau Expressway. It is a 1-directional highway, only eastbound. It's designated 878 despite not connecting to 78, should probably be a part of route 27, but nope and it just parallels the belt parkway, with another exit just to get back onto it, and then is no longer an expressway the rest of the route to Atlantic Beach. A westbound addition would help relieve some of the traffic near 678 and JFK Airport.
That is unique... there used to be something similar in Australia, except it was a lot longer, and reversible. It has since been made into a dual-carriage road, but for the time it existed, it was... weird.
(https://i.postimg.cc/8zR2w4TQ/CO30.png)
There are plenty of useless routes in Colorado (CO101, CO53, CO394, CO317, and CO239 jump to the top of the list). But the most random routing is probably CO30. Takes over when US285 ends at I-25, has to turn north otherwise it would run into the Cherry Creek Reservoir, cuts east again at 6th Ave and then instead of ending at I-225 which would make some sense, keeps going around Buckley Air Force Base and then ends at Quincy Avenue, which isn't a particularly important intersection.
For the record, the blue dot is my house (that I just noticed was on the snip). :sombrero:
Chris
Don't forget about Massachusetts route 139.
Route 7 in NJ has a similar weird shape, it served its purpose as a direct connection between Route 139/Skyway and I-280, but continuing it after that on random local streets is pointless. Also, the exit from NJ 139 to NJ 7 has TWO consecutive 360 degree turns in the same direction, which makes no sense.
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 18, 2021, 01:04:21 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/8zR2w4TQ/CO30.png)
There are plenty of useless routes in Colorado (CO101, CO53, CO394, CO317, and CO239 jump to the top of the list). But the most random routing is probably CO30. Takes over when US285 ends at I-25, has to turn north otherwise it would run into the Cherry Creek Reservoir, cuts east again at 6th Ave and then instead of ending at I-225 which would make some sense, keeps going around Buckley Air Force Base and then ends at Quincy Avenue, which isn't a particularly important intersection.
For the record, the blue dot is my house (that I just noticed was on the snip). :sombrero:
Kinda looks like CO-30 is going out of its way to avoid
you.
Quote from: kphoger on August 18, 2021, 01:16:50 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 18, 2021, 01:04:21 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/8zR2w4TQ/CO30.png)
There are plenty of useless routes in Colorado (CO101, CO53, CO394, CO317, and CO239 jump to the top of the list). But the most random routing is probably CO30. Takes over when US285 ends at I-25, has to turn north otherwise it would run into the Cherry Creek Reservoir, cuts east again at 6th Ave and then instead of ending at I-225 which would make some sense, keeps going around Buckley Air Force Base and then ends at Quincy Avenue, which isn't a particularly important intersection.
For the record, the blue dot is my house (that I just noticed was on the snip). :sombrero:
Kinda looks like CO-30 is going out of its way to avoid you.
I avoid it quite a bit as well, except for the stretch between Parker Road (CO83) and Mississippi Avenue which has the best stretch of every foreign cuisine restaurant one could want - great sushi, Korean, Ethiopian, Mexican, Vietnamese, Chinese, Persian, Uzbek, etc. Mmmmm. Might need to get some mandu today (Korean dumplings).
Chris
Did the thread title change again?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 18, 2021, 01:28:15 PM
Did the thread title change again?
Yeah I thought it was just weird routes. Oh well same thing I guess.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 18, 2021, 01:28:15 PM
Did the thread title change again?
Yeah, there was some drama regarding the first title of this thread. You can probably figure it out, just by the premise of the thread. But, that is enough said about that.
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 18, 2021, 01:04:21 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/8zR2w4TQ/CO30.png)
There are plenty of useless routes in Colorado (CO101, CO53, CO394, CO317, and CO239 jump to the top of the list). But the most random routing is probably CO30. Takes over when US285 ends at I-25, has to turn north otherwise it would run into the Cherry Creek Reservoir, cuts east again at 6th Ave and then instead of ending at I-225 which would make some sense, keeps going around Buckley Air Force Base and then ends at Quincy Avenue, which isn't a particularly important intersection.
For the record, the blue dot is my house (that I just noticed was on the snip). :sombrero:
Chris
CO115 is kind of weird, too, dipping south to Florence before heading back up north to Cañon City.
https://goo.gl/maps/ye7nuRXoZWNka53WA
To make this route even weirder, according to Wikipedia, it continues north all the way to the CO21/83 intersection. If it does, there is no evidence of signage.
Quote from: MCRoads on August 18, 2021, 01:53:47 PM
CO115 ... dipping south to fluoresce ...
Now, that's something I'd like to see! :awesomeface:
Quote from: kphoger on August 18, 2021, 01:59:38 PM
Quote from: MCRoads on August 18, 2021, 01:53:47 PM
CO115 ... dipping south to fluoresce ...
Now, that's something I'd like to see! :awesomeface:
We can't get the reflectors on our lane lines here unlike Arizona and others. Maybe this is our way?
Chris
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 18, 2021, 02:03:05 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 18, 2021, 01:59:38 PM
Quote from: MCRoads on August 18, 2021, 01:53:47 PM
CO115 ... dipping south to fluoresce ...
Now, that's something I'd like to see! :awesomeface:
We can't get the reflectors on our lane lines here unlike Arizona and others. Maybe this is our way?
Chris
I was really confused until I realized there was a typo.
That would be really cool, however, my damn phone refuses to acknowledge that "Florence" is a word. (to type it, I have to actively stop it from "correcting" the name. Thanks apple!)
Yeah, any program that thinks "fluoresce" is a more likely entry than "Florence" has . . . issues.
Quote from: kphoger on August 18, 2021, 02:16:45 PM
Yeah, any program that thinks "fluoresce" is a more likely entry than "Florence" has . . . issues.
Crap like this doesn't happen often, but when it does, it's really annoying.
Quote from: MCRoads on August 18, 2021, 01:53:47 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 18, 2021, 01:28:15 PM
Did the thread title change again?
Yeah, there was some drama regarding the first title of this thread. You can probably figure it out, just by the premise of the thread. But, that is enough said about that.
....
It looks like the original reply #150 on that issue disappeared.
Quote from: MCRoads on August 18, 2021, 02:55:15 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 18, 2021, 02:16:45 PM
Yeah, any program that thinks "fluoresce" is a more likely entry than "Florence" has . . . issues.
Crap like this doesn't happen often, but when it does, it's really annoying.
Reasons #1-50 inclusive why I disabled Spellcheck years ago and have no intention of putting it back.
Quote from: sparker on August 18, 2021, 04:29:11 PM
Quote from: MCRoads on August 18, 2021, 02:55:15 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 18, 2021, 02:16:45 PM
Yeah, any program that thinks "fluoresce" is a more likely entry than "Florence" has . . . issues.
Crap like this doesn't happen often, but when it does, it's really annoying.
Reasons #1-50 inclusive why I disabled Spellcheck years ago and have no intention of putting it back.
Spellcheck is useful, because there are some words I just can't spell. For instance, "Cinicinati" . I know it's spelled wrong, but I purposely overrode the correction to show what I wrote unassisted.
Spell Check can also not help like with environment. I had to use a dictionary to find the correct spelling as I would spell it as it's pronounced: E-N-V-I-O-R- M- E-N-T, and the dumb tool was clueless on what I was attempting and therefore did not remotely attempt to correct it.
Quote from: MCRoads on August 18, 2021, 07:45:58 PM
Quote from: sparker on August 18, 2021, 04:29:11 PM
Quote from: MCRoads on August 18, 2021, 02:55:15 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 18, 2021, 02:16:45 PM
Yeah, any program that thinks "fluoresce" is a more likely entry than "Florence" has . . . issues.
Crap like this doesn't happen often, but when it does, it's really annoying.
Reasons #1-50 inclusive why I disabled Spellcheck years ago and have no intention of putting it back.
Spellcheck is useful, because there are some words I just can't spell. For instance, "Cinicinati" . I know it's spelled wrong, but I purposely overrode the correction to show what I wrote unassisted.
Suggestion: keep two things near your computer: a
real (i.e. book) dictionary (also a thesaurus if you've got the room) and a road atlas. Sometimes the "old school" methods we old farts learned decades ago remain valid! :cool:
Quote from: roadman65 on August 18, 2021, 07:58:35 PM
Spell Check can also not help like with environment. I had to use a dictionary to find the correct spelling as I would spell it as it's pronounced: E-N-V-I-O-R- M- E-N-T, and the dumb tool was clueless on what I was attempting and therefore did not remotely attempt to correct it.
It's one letter off, and there are no other words that are anywhere close. It really should be able to fix this one.
Quote from: sparker on August 18, 2021, 08:01:39 PM
Quote from: MCRoads on August 18, 2021, 07:45:58 PM
Quote from: sparker on August 18, 2021, 04:29:11 PM
Quote from: MCRoads on August 18, 2021, 02:55:15 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 18, 2021, 02:16:45 PM
Yeah, any program that thinks "fluoresce" is a more likely entry than "Florence" has . . . issues.
Crap like this doesn't happen often, but when it does, it's really annoying.
Reasons #1-50 inclusive why I disabled Spellcheck years ago and have no intention of putting it back.
Spellcheck is useful, because there are some words I just can't spell. For instance, "Cinicinati" . I know it's spelled wrong, but I purposely overrode the correction to show what I wrote unassisted.
Suggestion: keep two things near your computer: a real (i.e. book) dictionary (also a thesaurus if you've got the room) and a road atlas. Sometimes the "old school" methods we old farts learned decades ago remain valid! :cool:
You don't need a book dictionary. An online one works just as well and is easier to use.
I'm as supportive of paper books and maps as much as the next person, but paper dictionaries face some pretty bad limitations. Putting the ease of use concerns aside, paper dictionaries are limited to the number of pages, and thus number of entries, they can include due to cost reasons. This means that more obscure terms tend to be excluded, while online dictionaries with no such cost concerns can include them. Additionally, while online dictionaries can be updated and expanded as usage changes, dead-tree dictionaries are fixed in their contents, and thus are merely a time capsule recording usage as of its printing date.
My dead-tree dictionary was purchased in the early 2000s, and thus while it contains a rudimentary survey of Web 1.0 computing terminology, newer terms like blockchain are of course absent, as are words related to social media culture like selfie and shadowban. Recent slang is also missing, of course. I find myself looking up slang terms I don't recognize all the time (I am becoming a somewhat old fart so I don't often adopt them into my vocabulary, but sometimes I find one I like).
DE-34 went away because of this, it was a 3 mile connector between Newport Gap Pike and Dupont Road north of I-95 that served nothing but houses. Absolutely zero reason for it to have a number.
In terms of state routes that are still around, I'd say DE-202. Why DelDOT thought the 1 mile stub end of what used to be US-202 should keep a number is beyond me. It's a fairly unremarkable, 2-lane city street almost the entire length.
Quote from: roadman65 on August 18, 2021, 07:58:35 PM
Spell Check can also not help like with environment. I had to use a dictionary to find the correct spelling as I would spell it as it's pronounced: E-N-V-I-O-R- M- E-N-T, and the dumb tool was clueless on what I was attempting and therefore did not remotely attempt to correct it.
I actually pronounce the
n before the
-ment.
Quote from: 1 on August 18, 2021, 08:49:30 PM
It's one letter off, and there are no other words that are anywhere close. It really should be able to fix this one.
It isn't just one letter off. Two letters are inverted, and it's missing another letter entirely.
But yes, it should have known what he meant to type.
The other day, our internet was down at work and I needed to write the word 'adapters' on a box. But I couldn't remember if it was supposed to end with
-ers or
-ors.
So I started typing it both ways into my cell phone's stock text messaging program, and both spellings are apparently in its lexicon. No help.
Then I texted my wife to look up which way it's spelled. She couldn't remember either, so she searched online–and found both spellings there too. D'oh! It was only because, when she clicked on 'adaptors', it went to an online dictionary entry for 'adapters' instead, that she figured out the correct spelling for me.
Quote from: kphoger on August 19, 2021, 09:45:28 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 18, 2021, 07:58:35 PM
Spell Check can also not help like with environment. I had to use a dictionary to find the correct spelling as I would spell it as it's pronounced: E-N-V-I-O-R- M- E-N-T, and the dumb tool was clueless on what I was attempting and therefore did not remotely attempt to correct it.
I actually pronounce the n before the -ment.
Quote from: 1 on August 18, 2021, 08:49:30 PM
It's one letter off, and there are no other words that are anywhere close. It really should be able to fix this one.
It isn't just one letter off. Two letters are inverted, and it's missing another letter entirely.
But yes, it should have known what he meant to type.
The other day, our internet was down at work and I needed to write the word 'adapters' on a box. But I couldn't remember if it was supposed to end with -ers or -ors.
So I started typing it both ways into my cell phone's stock text messaging program, and both spellings are apparently in its lexicon. No help.
Then I texted my wife to look up which way it's spelled. She couldn't remember either, so she searched online–and found both spellings there too. D'oh! It was only because, when she clicked on 'adaptors', it went to an online dictionary entry for 'adapters' instead, that she figured out the correct spelling for me.
One of my businesses is a retail vintage audio store; we have bought "adapters" of various types on a pretty regular basis, and the suppliers (or importers, as the case usually is) seem to alternate between "adapter" and "adaptor" with little or no consistency in that regard. FWIW, one thing I have noticed: Eastern European-made products cite "adaptor" more frequently than those from East Asia.
Unless I missed it, nobody has yet mentioned VA 165 in this thread.
Quote from: sparker on August 14, 2021, 04:59:46 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 12, 2021, 09:08:40 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 12, 2021, 09:06:24 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 12, 2021, 09:03:54 PM
CA 77 and it's tiny half mile freeway lacking a full interchange.
LOL only 1/2 a mile? That's literally just a long stretch of an avenue without a traffic light! Yeah over here we have a road called the "Prospect Expressway" that's only like 1.7 miles long, but half a mile LMAO
Shortest field signed State Highway in California. Grander ambition would have had it much larger in scale than it turned out.
Even at full length it would have qualified as a "weird route", taking a convoluted path through the Oakland hills and ending up at I-680 in Pleasant Hill. Trouble was it went through a lot of ultra-pricey property in Moraga and Lafayette along the route, so its prospects were pretty dim from the beginning (it was cut back in the '70's to Lafayette) -- and once the urban freeway revolt was in full swing circa the '70's, the entire alignment was pretty much toast.
Nevertheless, if one wants weird-shaped routes, you can't do much better than CA 18: from its southern terminus at CA 210 it goes north for several miles, east for several more, winding through mountains (after all, it's labeled the "Rim of the World" highway) before crossing between two lakes (one mostly dry) and then heading nortwest out of the mountains before striking out west across the desert. And it has one of the few "mutual terminations" in the state: CA 138 terminates at CA 18 near Crestline, while CA 18 terminates at CA 138 out in the desert near the L.A./San Bernardino county line between Phelan and Pearblossom.
Came in to see if anyone had mentioned CA-18. And don't forget its historical alignment had it extend southwest down to around Long Beach, using the alignment that is today CA-91. This is actually why it was numbered "18," because the number made sense relative to the other routes of the era (original CA-14, CA-22 (still exists) and CA-26, for example). That kind of made it even weirder: a relatively straightforward urban route, then does a northeast swing and basically completely inverts itself coming down the north side of the mountains. Even Caltrans doesn't really post directional signage on this route for the most part.
One that I don't think got mentioned yet is CA-169. It's not really "weird" per se, but unrealized. Has an unconstructed 30-mile gap between its two pieces. So you've got the western piece that basically runs for about 2 miles and just ends. The eastern piece is a fairly conventional highway, except roughly half of its route is narrow, maybe 1.5 lanes wide. Similar to the dreaded CA-236. So you've got an unrealized route that isn't very wide in a very remote part of the state. It's one of those routes that is fairly well signed but is completely forgettable.
Quote from: Quillz on September 13, 2021, 07:54:27 AM
Quote from: sparker on August 14, 2021, 04:59:46 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 12, 2021, 09:08:40 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 12, 2021, 09:06:24 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 12, 2021, 09:03:54 PM
CA 77 and it's tiny half mile freeway lacking a full interchange.
LOL only 1/2 a mile? That's literally just a long stretch of an avenue without a traffic light! Yeah over here we have a road called the "Prospect Expressway" that's only like 1.7 miles long, but half a mile LMAO
Shortest field signed State Highway in California. Grander ambition would have had it much larger in scale than it turned out.
Even at full length it would have qualified as a "weird route", taking a convoluted path through the Oakland hills and ending up at I-680 in Pleasant Hill. Trouble was it went through a lot of ultra-pricey property in Moraga and Lafayette along the route, so its prospects were pretty dim from the beginning (it was cut back in the '70's to Lafayette) -- and once the urban freeway revolt was in full swing circa the '70's, the entire alignment was pretty much toast.
Nevertheless, if one wants weird-shaped routes, you can't do much better than CA 18: from its southern terminus at CA 210 it goes north for several miles, east for several more, winding through mountains (after all, it's labeled the "Rim of the World" highway) before crossing between two lakes (one mostly dry) and then heading nortwest out of the mountains before striking out west across the desert. And it has one of the few "mutual terminations" in the state: CA 138 terminates at CA 18 near Crestline, while CA 18 terminates at CA 138 out in the desert near the L.A./San Bernardino county line between Phelan and Pearblossom.
Came in to see if anyone had mentioned CA-18. And don't forget its historical alignment had it extend southwest down to around Long Beach, using the alignment that is today CA-91. This is actually why it was numbered "18," because the number made sense relative to the other routes of the era (original CA-14, CA-22 (still exists) and CA-26, for example). That kind of made it even weirder: a relatively straightforward urban route, then does a northeast swing and basically completely inverts itself coming down the north side of the mountains. Even Caltrans doesn't really post directional signage on this route for the most part.
One that I don't think got mentioned yet is CA-169. It's not really "weird" per se, but unrealized. Has an unconstructed 30-mile gap between its two pieces. So you've got the western piece that basically runs for about 2 miles and just ends. The eastern piece is a fairly conventional highway, except roughly half of its route is narrow, maybe 1.5 lanes wide. Similar to the dreaded CA-236. So you've got an unrealized route that isn't very wide in a very remote part of the state. It's one of those routes that is fairly well signed but is completely forgettable.
CA 18 wasn't so weird until 1964 when the stretch west of Victorville was added via what had been unconstructed LRN 268. CA 169 makes more sense when you consider it was intended to be part of CA 96 (and even appears on 1930s era commercial maps as such) when originally envisioned. Given CA 169 serves some rural Native American communities I don't see how having a state highway to them is per se "weird" even if the connecting segment is in complete in the middle. Similarly CA 236 serves a state park (poor Big Basin) and was the original alignment of CA 9.
Probably the ultimate in weird California State Routes is the Zombification of CA 225. The highway has been relinquished down to about 0.09 miles in length and consists solely of a railroad underpass. It can be observed very much alive on the Caltrans Postmile tool on Castillo Street south of US 101 in Santa Barbara.
LA 3220 is just a ~420 foot swing bridge.
The graveyard one in Texas
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 13, 2021, 01:52:04 PM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on September 13, 2021, 01:49:06 PM
The graveyard one in Texas
TX 165 in Texas State Cemetery.
To be fair to that one, it used to go to US 290 before it was rerouted through Austin. Even with that in mind, it still counted as a weird, short route that was kind of a dead end.
Quote from: mrcmc888 on September 13, 2021, 05:13:48 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 13, 2021, 01:52:04 PM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on September 13, 2021, 01:49:06 PM
The graveyard one in Texas
TX 165 in Texas State Cemetery.
To be fair to that one, it used to go to US 290 before it was rerouted through Austin. Even with that in mind, it still counted as a weird, short route that was kind of a dead end.
One of the few times a highway "dead end" had more than one meaning.
IL-137, some say shaped like a 'J'
Goes E-W and then N-S. But, nearby, are two separate IL State highways doing similar, IL-176 east bound ends at IL-131, which starts its northbound trek.
History is that the N-S 137 used to be IL-32 which used to go to Evanston from Lake Co.
BTW: I-90 and 94 are "backbones" of upper Midwest. Don't mess with them. :biggrin:
US-190 across from Temple TX to Huntsville. ESPECIALLY from Bryan to Huntsville.
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US-190 across from Temple TX to Huntsville. ESPECIALLY from Bryan to Huntsville.
You would think it'd follow TX-30 through there.
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CA 77 and it's tiny half mile freeway lacking a full interchange.
LOL only 1/2 a mile? That's literally just a long stretch of an avenue without a traffic light! Yeah over here we have a road called the "Prospect Expressway" that's only like 1.7 miles long, but half a mile LMAO
Shortest field signed State Highway in California. Grander ambition would have had it much larger in scale than it turned out.
Even at full length it would have qualified as a "weird route", taking a convoluted path through the Oakland hills and ending up at I-680 in Pleasant Hill. Trouble was it went through a lot of ultra-pricey property in Moraga and Lafayette along the route, so its prospects were pretty dim from the beginning (it was cut back in the '70's to Lafayette) -- and once the urban freeway revolt was in full swing circa the '70's, the entire alignment was pretty much toast.
Nevertheless, if one wants weird-shaped routes, you can't do much better than CA 18: from its southern terminus at CA 210 it goes north for several miles, east for several more, winding through mountains (after all, it's labeled the "Rim of the World" highway) before crossing between two lakes (one mostly dry) and then heading nortwest out of the mountains before striking out west across the desert. And it has one of the few "mutual terminations" in the state: CA 138 terminates at CA 18 near Crestline, while CA 18 terminates at CA 138 out in the desert near the L.A./San Bernardino county line between Phelan and Pearblossom.
Came in to see if anyone had mentioned CA-18. And don't forget its historical alignment had it extend southwest down to around Long Beach, using the alignment that is today CA-91. This is actually why it was numbered "18," because the number made sense relative to the other routes of the era (original CA-14, CA-22 (still exists) and CA-26, for example). That kind of made it even weirder: a relatively straightforward urban route, then does a northeast swing and basically completely inverts itself coming down the north side of the mountains. Even Caltrans doesn't really post directional signage on this route for the most part.
One that I don't think got mentioned yet is CA-169. It's not really "weird" per se, but unrealized. Has an unconstructed 30-mile gap between its two pieces. So you've got the western piece that basically runs for about 2 miles and just ends. The eastern piece is a fairly conventional highway, except roughly half of its route is narrow, maybe 1.5 lanes wide. Similar to the dreaded CA-236. So you've got an unrealized route that isn't very wide in a very remote part of the state. It's one of those routes that is fairly well signed but is completely forgettable.
Was about to bring up CA-18. Even as originally laid out, it went from near Long Beach all the way up in the mountains and then on to Victorville. It was not the most direct routing from Long Beach to Victorville, so I'm not sure what the reasoning behind the route was back then other than maybe as an auto-tour route.
Now it's even weirder with its "eastern" (northern?) terminus at CA-138.
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CA 77 and it's tiny half mile freeway lacking a full interchange.
LOL only 1/2 a mile? That's literally just a long stretch of an avenue without a traffic light! Yeah over here we have a road called the "Prospect Expressway" that's only like 1.7 miles long, but half a mile LMAO
Shortest field signed State Highway in California. Grander ambition would have had it much larger in scale than it turned out.
Even at full length it would have qualified as a "weird route", taking a convoluted path through the Oakland hills and ending up at I-680 in Pleasant Hill. Trouble was it went through a lot of ultra-pricey property in Moraga and Lafayette along the route, so its prospects were pretty dim from the beginning (it was cut back in the '70's to Lafayette) -- and once the urban freeway revolt was in full swing circa the '70's, the entire alignment was pretty much toast.
Nevertheless, if one wants weird-shaped routes, you can't do much better than CA 18: from its southern terminus at CA 210 it goes north for several miles, east for several more, winding through mountains (after all, it's labeled the "Rim of the World" highway) before crossing between two lakes (one mostly dry) and then heading nortwest out of the mountains before striking out west across the desert. And it has one of the few "mutual terminations" in the state: CA 138 terminates at CA 18 near Crestline, while CA 18 terminates at CA 138 out in the desert near the L.A./San Bernardino county line between Phelan and Pearblossom.
Came in to see if anyone had mentioned CA-18. And don't forget its historical alignment had it extend southwest down to around Long Beach, using the alignment that is today CA-91. This is actually why it was numbered "18," because the number made sense relative to the other routes of the era (original CA-14, CA-22 (still exists) and CA-26, for example). That kind of made it even weirder: a relatively straightforward urban route, then does a northeast swing and basically completely inverts itself coming down the north side of the mountains. Even Caltrans doesn't really post directional signage on this route for the most part.
One that I don't think got mentioned yet is CA-169. It's not really "weird" per se, but unrealized. Has an unconstructed 30-mile gap between its two pieces. So you've got the western piece that basically runs for about 2 miles and just ends. The eastern piece is a fairly conventional highway, except roughly half of its route is narrow, maybe 1.5 lanes wide. Similar to the dreaded CA-236. So you've got an unrealized route that isn't very wide in a very remote part of the state. It's one of those routes that is fairly well signed but is completely forgettable.
Was about to bring up CA-18. Even as originally laid out, it went from near Long Beach all the way up in the mountains and then on to Victorville. It was not the most direct routing from Long Beach to Victorville, so I'm not sure what the reasoning behind the route was back then other than maybe as an auto-tour route.
Now it's even weirder with its "eastern" (northern?) terminus at CA-138.
Really when you think about it, how else was one supposed to get to Big Bear from both sides of the San Bernardino Mountains in the early 1930s? The Rim of the World Highway specifically has origins all the way back to the 1850s during the California Gold Rush. The state didn't even designate LRN 207 (future CA 30 and 330) until 1937. LRN 190/future CA 38 was designated in 1933 but took decades to build. Given the context I don't see having a single highway assigned over a mountain range as particularly odd given it was the only real infrastructure available.
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CA 77 and it's tiny half mile freeway lacking a full interchange.
LOL only 1/2 a mile? That's literally just a long stretch of an avenue without a traffic light! Yeah over here we have a road called the "Prospect Expressway" that's only like 1.7 miles long, but half a mile LMAO
Shortest field signed State Highway in California. Grander ambition would have had it much larger in scale than it turned out.
Even at full length it would have qualified as a "weird route", taking a convoluted path through the Oakland hills and ending up at I-680 in Pleasant Hill. Trouble was it went through a lot of ultra-pricey property in Moraga and Lafayette along the route, so its prospects were pretty dim from the beginning (it was cut back in the '70's to Lafayette) -- and once the urban freeway revolt was in full swing circa the '70's, the entire alignment was pretty much toast.
Nevertheless, if one wants weird-shaped routes, you can't do much better than CA 18: from its southern terminus at CA 210 it goes north for several miles, east for several more, winding through mountains (after all, it's labeled the "Rim of the World" highway) before crossing between two lakes (one mostly dry) and then heading nortwest out of the mountains before striking out west across the desert. And it has one of the few "mutual terminations" in the state: CA 138 terminates at CA 18 near Crestline, while CA 18 terminates at CA 138 out in the desert near the L.A./San Bernardino county line between Phelan and Pearblossom.
Came in to see if anyone had mentioned CA-18. And don't forget its historical alignment had it extend southwest down to around Long Beach, using the alignment that is today CA-91. This is actually why it was numbered "18," because the number made sense relative to the other routes of the era (original CA-14, CA-22 (still exists) and CA-26, for example). That kind of made it even weirder: a relatively straightforward urban route, then does a northeast swing and basically completely inverts itself coming down the north side of the mountains. Even Caltrans doesn't really post directional signage on this route for the most part.
One that I don't think got mentioned yet is CA-169. It's not really "weird" per se, but unrealized. Has an unconstructed 30-mile gap between its two pieces. So you've got the western piece that basically runs for about 2 miles and just ends. The eastern piece is a fairly conventional highway, except roughly half of its route is narrow, maybe 1.5 lanes wide. Similar to the dreaded CA-236. So you've got an unrealized route that isn't very wide in a very remote part of the state. It's one of those routes that is fairly well signed but is completely forgettable.
Was about to bring up CA-18. Even as originally laid out, it went from near Long Beach all the way up in the mountains and then on to Victorville. It was not the most direct routing from Long Beach to Victorville, so I'm not sure what the reasoning behind the route was back then other than maybe as an auto-tour route.
Now it's even weirder with its "eastern" (northern?) terminus at CA-138.
Really when you think about it, how else was one supposed to get to Big Bear from both sides of the San Bernardino Mountains in the early 1930s? The Rim of the World Highway specifically has origins all the way back to the 1850s during the California Gold Rush. The state didn't even designate LRN 207 (future CA 30 and 330) until 1937. LRN 190/future CA 38 was designated in 1933 but took decades to build. Given the context I don't see having a single highway assigned over a mountain range as particularly odd given it was the only real infrastructure available.
I get assigning it over the mountains and having it be the route you travel into or through the mountains from the north and south. I don't get having it then run all the way to Long Beach. Victorville to San Bernardino via the mountain resorts makes sense; Victorville to Long Beach via an indirect route doesn't, particularly in the age of navigating by map or trip-tik.
And in the post-64 signing era, I don't get the point of having 18 run out west to 138 to terminate. Other than making sure a state-maintained road has a number assigned to it, what does that leg serve? It causes 18 to intersect 138 twice, which could create driver confusion. It locates the eastern terminus further west than the western terminus and makes consistent cardinal direction signing nearly impossible.
If I am at the 210/18 ("western" ) terminus, and I want to travel to the 138/18 ("eastern" ) terminus, I don't take 18 all the way. I almost immediately get off of 18 and get on 138 and take that west to the eastern terminus. If I'm in San Bernardino, and I'd like a nice day in the mountains and then want to end up at the other end of 18 when I'm done, I don't keep following 18 all the way up and through Victorville after I've stopped off in Arrowhead or Big Bear. I turn around and go the way I came to get on 138, which is the vastly shorter route to the other end of 18 than taking 18 itself.
Truncating 2 made sense, because why have it run across one mountain range, but then terminate in the middle of another. So now 2 is the route up into and through the San Gabriels only. Having 18 be the route up into and through the San Bernardinos would have made total sense. The added leg to 18 so it could terminate further west in the middle of nowhere seems to be the exact opposite of that the CTC was trying to accomplish with truncating 2.
18 to a Long Beach probably was just a place holder for US 91 until it was extended. The former "should" have been truncated but long multiplexes weren't viewed by the CHC as a problem back then. Agreed 18 west of Victorville is silly, it should have been assigned something else.
M-185 in Michigan.
No start, no finish, it's a loop.
And the only state highway to forbid traffic.
It encircles Mackinac Island.
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M-185 in Michigan.
No start, no finish, it's a loop.
And the only state highway to forbid traffic.
It encircles Mackinac Island.
It does have a Mile Marker 0 though. Traffic is permitted, just not of the regular passenger automobile variety. Emergency vehicles and even snow mobiles are permitted on M-185.
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CO115 ... dipping south to fluoresce ...
Now, that's something I'd like to see! :awesomeface:
We can't get the reflectors on our lane lines here unlike Arizona and others. Maybe this is our way?
Chris
I was really confused until I realized there was a typo.
That would be really cool, however, my damn phone refuses to acknowledge that "Florence" is a word. (to type it, I have to actively stop it from "correcting" the name. Thanks apple!)
iirc, 115 touches us 50 twice, once at canon, and east at .. what is it, penrose? and the florence - canon run seems more east-west.. but thats a whole 'nother ballgame.
co-392 seems like a weird route to me just because of that dogleg somewhere east of greeley that runs it up to the exciting metropolis of ... briggsdale.
how about co-82 in glenwood springs, co?
maybe its not the route itself that feels weird, but the town. you get off i-70, and immediately cross a sharp-turned-bridge back over i-70.
82 has a distinct east-west feel to it through the town of glenwood, even though its actually going more or less south at that point. every time i go there, i feel like my directions are all twisted around because of that.
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M-185 in Michigan.
No start, no finish, it's a loop.
And the only state highway to forbid traffic.
It encircles Mackinac Island.
It does have a Mile Marker 0 though. Traffic is permitted, just not of the regular passenger automobile variety. Emergency vehicles and even snow mobiles are permitted on M-185.
I've always been skeptical of the claim that M-185 is the only state highway where regular traffic is generally forbidden. I swear, there has got to be other state "highways" that are closed to traffic in their entirety, or pedestrianized. Think CA-39 or CA-2, or WA-165, but the closed section is the entire highway. At least one more!
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on September 27, 2021, 10:26:53 AM
how about co-82 in glenwood springs, co?
maybe its not the route itself that feels weird, but the town. you get off i-70, and immediately cross a sharp-turned-bridge back over i-70.
82 has a distinct east-west feel to it through the town of glenwood, even though its actually going more or less south at that point. every time i go there, i feel like my directions are all twisted around because of that.
Walked it over through GSV, and it literally just feels like a tight trumpet interchange but with traffic lights and side roads. If you think that Glenwood Springs and CO-82 are unique in this respect, I got bad news for you...
Kentucky has a bunch besides KY 620. Check out the meanderings of KY 646 in Montgomery County.
VA 102 is another good candidate, even without all the odd signs. It starts at the WV/VA state line in Bluefield, follows city streets and makes two 90-degree turns to change streets, then crosses the state line a couple of times before coming to an end at some arbitrary point in Pocahontas.
I'd like to see a detailed map of Bluefield, Va., from before the US 460 bypass was built to see how it was routed.
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Kentucky has a bunch besides KY 620. Check out the meanderings of KY 646 in Montgomery County.
VA 102 is another good candidate, even without all the odd signs. It starts at the WV/VA state line in Bluefield, follows city streets and makes two 90-degree turns to change streets, then crosses the state line a couple of times before coming to an end at some arbitrary point in Pocahontas.
I'd like to see a detailed map of Bluefield, Va., from before the US 460 bypass was built to see how it was routed.
Not exactly the most detailed but this topo map from (likely before) 1983 (https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3883t.ct009271/?r=0.723,0.136,0.135,0.083,0) shows US 460 duplexed with US 19 through Bluefield.
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Quote from: hbelkins on December 28, 2021, 11:39:04 AM
Kentucky has a bunch besides KY 620. Check out the meanderings of KY 646 in Montgomery County.
VA 102 is another good candidate, even without all the odd signs. It starts at the WV/VA state line in Bluefield, follows city streets and makes two 90-degree turns to change streets, then crosses the state line a couple of times before coming to an end at some arbitrary point in Pocahontas.
I'd like to see a detailed map of Bluefield, Va., from before the US 460 bypass was built to see how it was routed.
There are a handful of snippets on the Virginia Highways Project page that I took a look at.
Not exactly the most detailed but this topo map from (likely before) 1983 (https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3883t.ct009271/?r=0.723,0.136,0.135,0.083,0) shows US 460 duplexed with US 19 through Bluefield.
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Kentucky has a bunch besides KY 620. Check out the meanderings of KY 646 in Montgomery County.
VA 102 is another good candidate, even without all the odd signs. It starts at the WV/VA state line in Bluefield, follows city streets and makes two 90-degree turns to change streets, then crosses the state line a couple of times before coming to an end at some arbitrary point in Pocahontas.
I'd like to see a detailed map of Bluefield, Va., from before the US 460 bypass was built to see how it was routed.
There are a handful of snippets on the Virginia Highways Project page that I took a look at.
Not exactly the most detailed but this topo map from (likely before) 1983 (https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3883t.ct009271/?r=0.723,0.136,0.135,0.083,0) shows US 460 duplexed with US 19 through Bluefield.
uh
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Quote from: hbelkins on December 28, 2021, 11:59:45 AM
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Quote from: hbelkins on December 28, 2021, 11:39:04 AM
Kentucky has a bunch besides KY 620. Check out the meanderings of KY 646 in Montgomery County.
VA 102 is another good candidate, even without all the odd signs. It starts at the WV/VA state line in Bluefield, follows city streets and makes two 90-degree turns to change streets, then crosses the state line a couple of times before coming to an end at some arbitrary point in Pocahontas.
I'd like to see a detailed map of Bluefield, Va., from before the US 460 bypass was built to see how it was routed.
There are a handful of snippets on the Virginia Highways Project page that I took a look at.
Not exactly the most detailed but this topo map from (likely before) 1983 (https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3883t.ct009271/?r=0.723,0.136,0.135,0.083,0) shows US 460 duplexed with US 19 through Bluefield.
uh
I think that got posted when I was trying to update my post to say I had seen the Virginia Highway Project's maps for VA 102.
I remember when maps showed the four-lane bypass of the Bluefields as proposed or under construction, and the US 19 route through town marked as US 19 and TEMP US 460. I can't remember when the bypass was completed, or if there were gaps between when the two states got their portions finished. My first time to drive it was 1988 or 1989, and I remember that Virginia's section looks older and less modern than West Virginia's.
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I remember when maps showed the four-lane bypass of the Bluefields as proposed or under construction, and the US 19 route through town marked as US 19 and TEMP US 460. I can't remember when the bypass was completed, or if there were gaps between when the two states got their portions finished. My first time to drive it was 1988 or 1989, and I remember that Virginia's section looks older and less modern than West Virginia's.
The section of the Bluefield Southern Bypass in West Virginia was opened in 1977 and posted as US-460. I remember a short time where the Virginia side was not signed whatsoever, but VDOT had signed a connector with VA-102 as
TEMP US-460 by 1979. When I was in college, I missed the
TEMP US-460 and kept going straight on Graham Road (SR-650). I knew I wasn't lost once I got to Graham High School. When I got to a friend's place in Tazewell, they told me that locals always used Graham Road (which was originally CR-21/1 on the West Virginia side) as an informal bypass to avoid downtown Bluefield.
Anyhow, I used Graham Road so much that I eventually realized that I had not clinched US-19 in West Virginia or Virginia because of avoiding downtown Bluefield. I probably didn't pick up that stretch until the mid-1990s.
US 40 through Lawrence, KS.
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Like, moral value? Or financial value? Or political value?
All of the above I believe. He'll have to chime in to fully explain his reasoning
It is a good way to bring back a nostalgic number. It could infuse tourism on a the route.
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Regarding a route that is all four directions:
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This is in eastern Knoxville TN - https://goo.gl/maps/cj9wGmvQSussrjeo6
You are on US 11E south, US 25W north, US 70 west, and unsigned TN 9 north. The sign says TN 168 west is to the left.
TN 168 east is also (unsigned) straight ahead.
TN 168 was extended over US 11E-70 when US 25W was moved to I-40 and 640. Though not necessary, TN 9 was also moved with it. Thus there was no state designation on US 11E-70 west of I-40. They put TN 168 on it. Maps show this (https://vintageaerial.com/scanned_maps/TN-Knox-85-01) and there is a TN 168 mile posting at the US 11E-11W split - https://goo.gl/maps/whkXNQMejqRuBz4U9
So while not posted, it does exist on a 0.9 mile stretch of highway in Tennessee.
I still feel that some intrepid forum member should ninja-post the proper TN 9 sign at that location and photograph it. Said member would become an instant forum celebrity
I don't recall ever seeing a TN-9 sign - I see it on maps though.
There is a TN-1 sign concurrent with US 11 and US 70.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8829719,-84.1565884,3a,15y,67.88h,89.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGFLXLA70MDd-p2a4smdtHQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
I-295's extension to Pennsylvania comes across as weird. I know it was the most direct route during the I-95 reroute, but it still looks weird. Especially because it's signed east west on the PA side.
WI-134 why does it even exist?
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WI-134 why does it even exist?
It still makes more sense than WI 127. Blame the highway mileage cap.
Built nowhere to plan but somehow one of the best examples of how to sign a two lane highway in California on route:
https://www.gribblenation.org/2020/12/california-state-route-281.html?m=1
MA 127 and its fishhook routing on Cape Ann. It nearly intersects with itself.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on February 07, 2022, 11:45:40 AM
I-295's extension to Pennsylvania comes across as weird. I know it was the most direct route during the I-95 reroute, but it still looks weird. Especially because it's signed east west on the PA side.
It's also still north - south...but I guess it'd be less confusing than being on I-295 north in NJ and suddenly on I-295 south in PA. Maybe the solution is an east - west section between PA and US 1.
In the same area is US 13 - parallels I-95 up until I-476, takes a meandering route through West Philadelphia and ends up having trolley tracks twice (Baltimore Avenue and Girard Avenue), multiplexes with US 1 only to break away from it and parallel I-95 again, and then end at US 1 despite having met it in Philly. This should really be chopped up into several state routes, but PA has it because...why not?
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on February 07, 2022, 11:45:40 AM
I-295's extension to Pennsylvania comes across as weird. I know it was the most direct route during the I-95 reroute, but it still looks weird. Especially because it's signed east west on the PA side.
On a similar note, why is I-278 signed E-W instead of N-S north(/east) of the Verrazano Narrows Bridge??
NC 5 came to mind pretty quickly due to its proximity to where I live. It's short and would've made way more sense as a business loop of NC 211, but it would at least be excusable if it's southern terminus was at US 1-15-501. Instead they extend it past this, have it turn north for no reason and then it just ends at some random side road.
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WI-134 why does it even exist?
It still makes more sense than WI 127. Blame the highway mileage cap.
WI-127 exist to serve the Portage Correctional Facility. I have no idea why WI-134 still exist. In the 70's and 80's WisDOT basically got rid of all the short spurs to nothing however for whatever reason but WI-134 stayed.
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NC 5 came to mind pretty quickly due to its proximity to where I live. It's short and would've made way more sense as a business loop of NC 211, but it would at least be excusable if it's southern terminus was at US 1-15-501. Instead they extend it past this, have it turn north for no reason and then it just ends at some random side road.
NC 5's routing east of US 1 is a vestige of the original NC 701 which did have a purpose - http://www.vahighways.com/ncannex/route-log/nc701.html
I have no idea why NC 5 was extended across US 1 to Pinehurst to replace NC 211's original routing.
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Quote from: dvferyance on February 10, 2022, 05:51:29 PM
WI-134 why does it even exist?
It still makes more sense than WI 127. Blame the highway mileage cap.
WI-127 exist to serve the Portage Correctional Facility. I have no idea why WI-134 still exist. In the 70's and 80's WisDOT basically got rid of all the short spurs to nothing however for whatever reason but WI-134 stayed.
WI-134 originally existed because it connected Cambridge to the closet train depot in London. It likely exists now because there really hasn't been much reason to change it. It's so short it doesn't give a lot of mileage relief and doesn't cost a lot to maintain. If you have ever driven it, you would see that he hasn't had a major upgrade in decades.
I have found Michigan Route 188's routing to be weird because it ends at a VFW from Eaton Rapids instead of another signed route or intersection.
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on February 14, 2022, 09:59:56 PM
I have found Michigan Route 188's routing to be weird because it ends at a VFW from Eaton Rapids instead of another signed route or intersection.
Eh, lots of state routes do this, I think. Look at NY 335.
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Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on February 14, 2022, 09:59:56 PM
I have found Michigan Route 188's routing to be weird because it ends at a VFW from Eaton Rapids instead of another signed route or intersection.
Eh, lots of state routes do this, I think. Look at NY 335.
I think what he was getting at was that M-188 doesn't even end at an intersection with another road. NY 335 ends at an intersection with a street that also happens to be an unsigned reference route.
That said, I do know of a few state routes that just end at a random place not at any sort of intersection and continue as county roads. Utah 22 near Antimony (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0883189,-111.9812298,79m/data=!3m1!1e3) and Utah 211 near Canyonlands NP (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0691152,-109.5560629,61m/data=!3m1!1e3) come to mind.
Quote from: US 89 on February 14, 2022, 11:37:28 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 14, 2022, 11:13:20 PM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on February 14, 2022, 09:59:56 PM
I have found Michigan Route 188's routing to be weird because it ends at a VFW from Eaton Rapids instead of another signed route or intersection.
Eh, lots of state routes do this, I think. Look at NY 335.
I think what he was getting at was that M-188 doesn't even end at an intersection with another road. NY 335 ends at an intersection with a street that also happens to be an unsigned reference route.
That said, I do know of a few state routes that just end at a random place not at any sort of intersection and continue as county roads. Utah 22 near Antimony (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0883189,-111.9812298,79m/data=!3m1!1e3) and Utah 211 near Canyonlands NP (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0691152,-109.5560629,61m/data=!3m1!1e3) come to mind.
Oh, fine. NY 421. :P
And all sorts of VA state routes that just provide access to colleges, prisons and other institutions and yes, some of them are signed.
Quote from: US 89 on February 14, 2022, 11:37:28 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 14, 2022, 11:13:20 PM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on February 14, 2022, 09:59:56 PM
I have found Michigan Route 188's routing to be weird because it ends at a VFW from Eaton Rapids instead of another signed route or intersection.
Eh, lots of state routes do this, I think. Look at NY 335.
I think what he was getting at was that M-188 doesn't even end at an intersection with another road. NY 335 ends at an intersection with a street that also happens to be an unsigned reference route.
That said, I do know of a few state routes that just end at a random place not at any sort of intersection and continue as county roads. Utah 22 near Antimony (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0883189,-111.9812298,79m/data=!3m1!1e3) and Utah 211 near Canyonlands NP (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0691152,-109.5560629,61m/data=!3m1!1e3) come to mind.
M-93 ends at the
former entrance to Hartwick Pines State Park.
AZ 99 has a northern terminus as the County Route like equivalent of BIA 15 whereas the southern end is at Forest Route 34. Forest Route 34 is actually pretty handy in terms of reaching AZ 260 and the Mogollon Rim if you find yourself in a very specific place to take advantage of driving it.
RI 238 in Newport. What's the point of that one? It's way too short and doesn't connect anywhere of note and I don't see why it needs to exist.
Quote from: GaryV on February 15, 2022, 07:32:35 AM
Quote from: US 89 on February 14, 2022, 11:37:28 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 14, 2022, 11:13:20 PM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on February 14, 2022, 09:59:56 PM
I have found Michigan Route 188's routing to be weird because it ends at a VFW from Eaton Rapids instead of another signed route or intersection.
Eh, lots of state routes do this, I think. Look at NY 335.
I think what he was getting at was that M-188 doesn't even end at an intersection with another road. NY 335 ends at an intersection with a street that also happens to be an unsigned reference route.
That said, I do know of a few state routes that just end at a random place not at any sort of intersection and continue as county roads. Utah 22 near Antimony (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0883189,-111.9812298,79m/data=!3m1!1e3) and Utah 211 near Canyonlands NP (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0691152,-109.5560629,61m/data=!3m1!1e3) come to mind.
M-93 ends at the former entrance to Hartwick Pines State Park.
That one is indeed weird.
Quote from: GaryV on February 15, 2022, 07:32:35 AM
Quote from: US 89 on February 14, 2022, 11:37:28 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 14, 2022, 11:13:20 PM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on February 14, 2022, 09:59:56 PM
I have found Michigan Route 188's routing to be weird because it ends at a VFW from Eaton Rapids instead of another signed route or intersection.
Eh, lots of state routes do this, I think. Look at NY 335.
I think what he was getting at was that M-188 doesn't even end at an intersection with another road. NY 335 ends at an intersection with a street that also happens to be an unsigned reference route.
That said, I do know of a few state routes that just end at a random place not at any sort of intersection and continue as county roads. Utah 22 near Antimony (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0883189,-111.9812298,79m/data=!3m1!1e3) and Utah 211 near Canyonlands NP (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0691152,-109.5560629,61m/data=!3m1!1e3) come to mind.
M-93 ends at the former entrance to Hartwick Pines State Park.
It ends about a mile past the main entrance to the state park. I don't think it's that weird of a route, it connects two locations.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on February 15, 2022, 08:35:52 AM
RI 238 in Newport. What's the point of that one? It's way too short and doesn't connect anywhere of note and I don't see why it needs to exist.
Looks like it's a spur from RI-138 providing access to Goat Island and Newport.
Broken record here because I've mentioned this in a previous thread: California 18 is technically an east-west route with its "western" end (State mile 0) located 45 miles southeast of its "eastern" end. It's also much faster and shorter to take other routes from one end of 18 to the other in lieu of taking 18 itself. Finally, its cardinal directions change three times. Thus if you start at the technical "western" end in the San Bernardino foothills and follow it to its "eastern" end in the Antelope Valley, its posted cardinal direction start with east, then change to north, then change to west.
Note that California measures from Mile 0 in the west for highways that are considered to run west to east and Mile 0 in the south for highways that are considered to run south to north. There are two tallies kept, total statewide mileage of a highway and postmile mileage within a county. Postmile signing runs to the county line and resets to 0 even though the highway does not end at the county line. 18's statewide mileage ends 4 miles west of the Los Angeles/San Bernardino County line. 18 starts at San Bernardino County postmile 6 instead of postmile 0 because of an unbuilt portion of the route through San Bernardino that would have had the actual of the route at I-10 instead of its current start at California 210.
(https://i.imgur.com/QCEzalJ.png)
Edit: Added a map for context and an explanation of how California measures highway mileage.
Quote from: Rothman on February 14, 2022, 11:41:30 PM
And all sorts of VA state routes that just provide access to colleges, prisons and other institutions and yes, some of them are signed.
What's weird about Virginia that some of those state parks are accessed from US and state primary routes via a state secondary route, and when you get to the park, the routes are marked as primaries.
Discovered this for myself when I drove by Natural Tunnel State Park in southwestern Virginia a couple of years ago. The road leading to the park entrance is a secondary route (it's the old alignment of US 23/58/421) but the road leading into the park itself is a primary.
Quote from: Mapmikey on February 14, 2022, 02:26:02 PM
Quote from: Kulerage on February 11, 2022, 05:21:46 PM
NC 5 came to mind pretty quickly due to its proximity to where I live. It's short and would've made way more sense as a business loop of NC 211, but it would at least be excusable if it's southern terminus was at US 1-15-501. Instead they extend it past this, have it turn north for no reason and then it just ends at some random side road.
NC 5's routing east of US 1 is a vestige of the original NC 701 which did have a purpose - http://www.vahighways.com/ncannex/route-log/nc701.html
I have no idea why NC 5 was extended across US 1 to Pinehurst to replace NC 211's original routing.
Alright, that's cool.
Other NC highways with weird routings include NC 53 (The endpoint is on a half ring-road around Jacksonville that causes the highway to randomly invert for its final stretch. If this road is finished, it would make way more sense as a separate designation), 210 (Has an unusual C shape as a result of several extensions. My guess is they were bored when dealing with this highway) and 801 (Also Had some weird extensions that resulted in the highway looking like a J)
Quote from: Occidental Tourist on February 15, 2022, 05:18:47 PM
Broken record here because I’ve mentioned this in a previous thread: California 18 is technically an east-west route with its “western” end (State mile 0) located 45 miles southeast of its “eastern” end. It’s also much faster and shorter to take other routes from one end of 18 to the other in lieu of taking 18 itself. Finally, its cardinal directions change three times. Thus if you start at the technical “western” end in the San Bernardino foothills and follow it to its "eastern" end in the Antelope Valley, its posted cardinal direction start with east, then change to north, then change to west.
Note that California measures from Mile 0 in the west for highways that are considered to run west to east and Mile 0 in the south for highways that are considered to run south to north. There are two tallies kept, total statewide mileage of a highway and postmile mileage within a county. Postmile signing runs to the county line and resets to 0 even though the highway does not end at the county line. 18's statewide mileage ends 4 miles west of the Los Angeles/San Bernardino County line. 18 starts at San Bernardino County postmile 6 instead of postmile 0 because of an unbuilt portion of the route through San Bernardino that would have had the actual of the route at I-10 instead of its current start at California 210.
(https://i.imgur.com/QCEzalJ.png)
Edit: Added a map for context and an explanation of how California measures highway mileage.
I wonder...
Even though 18 & 247 don't technically meet in Lucerne Valley, maybe the whole issue with cardinal directions with CA 18 (and CA 247, to a lesser extent) could have been solved by having CA 18 go north from Lucerne Valley to Barstow (thus making it a N/S route) and CA 247 go west to meet with CA 138 (making it an E/W route).
CA 18: Barstow/Lucerne Valley/Big Bear/Lake Arrowhead/San Bernardino
CA 247: Adelanto/Victorville/Apple Valley/Lucerne Valley/Yucca Valley
That CA 18-CA 247 gap in Lucerne Valley shows up on the Caltrans Postmile Tool was Route 247. What is really weird is that the Lucerne Valley Gap contains normal Postmiles and not an "S" suffix. So in effect if you really want to "clinch" CA 247 you need to jog over to CA 18 and back.
Also, CA 38 does the whole half moon alignment thing that CA 18 does on a smaller scale.
Quote from: US 89 on February 14, 2022, 11:37:28 PM
That said, I do know of a few state routes that just end at a random place not at any sort of intersection and continue as county roads. Utah 22 near Antimony (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0883189,-111.9812298,79m/data=!3m1!1e3)
OH-269 just north of the exit from East Harbor State Park is another example, seen here (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5478185,-82.8206502,3a,75y,29.19h,93.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sB4GUWhJVr7witbv6td3gPQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).
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WI-134 why does it even exist?
It still makes more sense than WI 127. Blame the highway mileage cap.
WI-127 exist to serve the Portage Correctional Facility. I have no idea why WI-134 still exist. In the 70's and 80's WisDOT basically got rid of all the short spurs to nothing however for whatever reason but WI-134 stayed.
The prison is 1000' away from WI 16. Don't explain the need for the other 14 miles.
Almost every Utah state route numbered over 280. Parking lots, state facilities, etc.
Quote from: thefraze_1020 on March 17, 2022, 05:12:56 PM
Almost every Utah state route numbered over 280. Parking lots, state facilities, etc.
Eh, most of the 300s routes are normal routes that connect to state parks. Some of the really short ones and the ones that don't connect to other state highways generally aren't signed, but they're real routes that go places, unlike the 280-290s state facility roads and parking lots. At least the weirder stuff isn't usually signed.
That said, there are of course exceptions. 282 is a signed multi-segment route on a university campus, 317 is a parking lot, 320 is entirely off-limits to the public as a training range on a National Guard base, etc...
Quote from: US 89 on March 17, 2022, 06:12:43 PM
Quote from: thefraze_1020 on March 17, 2022, 05:12:56 PM
Almost every Utah state route numbered over 280. Parking lots, state facilities, etc.
Eh, most of the 300s routes are normal routes that connect to state parks. Some of the really short ones and the ones that don't connect to other state highways generally aren't signed, but they're real routes that go places, unlike the 280-290s state facility roads and parking lots. At least the weirder stuff isn't usually signed.
That said, there are of course exceptions. 282 is a signed multi-segment route on a university campus, 317 is a parking lot, 320 is entirely off-limits to the public as a training range on a National Guard base, etc...
Then, of course,
there's this (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=27570.0).
Those hidden Georgia state routes entirely on interstates
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 19, 2022, 04:03:50 AM
Those hidden Georgia state routes entirely on interstates
Ditto for the ones in Florida.
I-95 - FL 9
I-10 - FL 8
I-75 - FL 93
Etc.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on March 19, 2022, 07:48:27 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 19, 2022, 04:03:50 AM
Those hidden Georgia state routes entirely on interstates
Ditto for the ones in Florida.
I-95 - FL 9
I-10 - FL 8
I-75 - FL 93
Etc.
The hidden Florida Roads actually are kind of neat when you consider they fit into an overall state level grid. Even things like the County Roads adhere to the Florida State Road grid for the most part.
pretty sure Tennessee does the hidden thing too
Alabama does this too. All their Interstates have a catalog number with a leading 6 assigned to them. For example I-65 is AL 665 and I-59 is AL 659
Quote from: US 89 on March 17, 2022, 06:12:43 PM
Quote from: thefraze_1020 on March 17, 2022, 05:12:56 PM
Almost every Utah state route numbered over 280. Parking lots, state facilities, etc.
Eh, most of the 300s routes are normal routes that connect to state parks. Some of the really short ones and the ones that don't connect to other state highways generally aren't signed, but they're real routes that go places, unlike the 280-290s state facility roads and parking lots. At least the weirder stuff isn't usually signed.
That said, there are of course exceptions. 282 is a signed multi-segment route on a university campus, 317 is a parking lot, 320 is entirely off-limits to the public as a training range on a National Guard base, etc...
The 280-320 set (more particularly the 281-299) are definitely the weirdest of the bunch in Utah, but there are a couple state routes that are actual roads connecting to at least a state route on one end: UT-37 and UT-147, both of which are C-shaped at best and don't seem to operate like a belt route. The reasoning behind why they are shaped the way they are isn't apparent to me, other than they morphed into their current shapes over the years. Then you have 147's south(west) end, which suggests that UT-141 could easily be absorbed into 147.
OK-147. Redundant with OK-93 a few miles to the west on its way down to US-70.
Quote from: interstatefan990 on April 07, 2022, 04:03:37 PM
OK-147. Redundant with OK-93 a few miles to the west on its way down to US-70.
You're saying that either OK-147 or OK-93 should be demoted to a county highway?
Quote from: kphoger on April 07, 2022, 04:22:17 PM
Quote from: interstatefan990 on April 07, 2022, 04:03:37 PM
OK-147. Redundant with OK-93 a few miles to the west on its way down to US-70.
You're saying that either OK-147 or OK-93 should be demoted to a county highway?
No, I'm saying that either one of them shouldn't exist. Are you interpreting this thread as highways that should be redesignated instead of highways that shouldn't have been built in the first place?
Well, the OP restricted it to limited-access facilities, but that restriction never really happened. So I guess it's up to our own interpretation.
Quote from: kphoger on April 07, 2022, 05:31:10 PM
Well, the OP restricted it to limited-access facilities, but that restriction never really happened. So I guess it's up to our own interpretation.
A common phenomenon I see on this forum.
Quote from: interstatefan990 on April 07, 2022, 05:16:29 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 07, 2022, 04:22:17 PM
Quote from: interstatefan990 on April 07, 2022, 04:03:37 PM
OK-147. Redundant with OK-93 a few miles to the west on its way down to US-70.
You're saying that either OK-147 or OK-93 should be demoted to a county highway?
No, I'm saying that either one of them shouldn't exist. Are you interpreting this thread as highways that should be redesignated instead of highways that shouldn't have been built in the first place?
That isn't the Oklahoma way of doing things–we like lots of redundancy in our road systems. So one of the roads here maybe wouldn't be a state highway, but the other would in all universes still exist as a county road. (We don't do county highways, so it'd just be named Suchandsuch Road.)
Personally, having clinched both back-to-back a few months ago, I say if you had to ditch one, kill off 93 and keep 147, because 147 is one of my favorite highways in the system. 93 is just kinda meh.
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 07, 2022, 05:47:33 PM
Personally, having clinched both back-to-back a few months ago, I say if you had to ditch one, kill off 93 and keep 147, because 147 is one of my favorite highways in the system. 93 is just kinda meh.
Perhaps the 5000-some residents of Hugo would beg to differ? Just a guess.
For what it's worth, it appears that OK-147 gets a decent amount of use, but only up to the lake access–whereas OK-93 appears to be more of a real highway link.
OK-93
1700 AADT = northern end @ OK-3
1800 AADT = midpoint @ 1980 Rd
2200 AADT = southern end @ US-70
OK-147
??? AADT = northern end @ OK-3
360 AADT = midpoint @ 1980 Rd
2500 AADT = southern end @ US-70
In any case, there are far more suspect routes in Oklahoma's system than 93 and 147. I'd sacrifice 96 (spur to an unincorporated town of about 600) and 77D (spur to a church camp mainly used in the summer) before I'd mess with 93/147.
NM 597 is just a glorified driveway IMO that leads to Four Corners Monument. New Mexico is one of those states that will slap a number on anything, including parking lots, which I find to be weird.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on April 07, 2022, 08:11:57 PM
NM 597 is just a glorified driveway IMO that leads to Four Corners Monument. New Mexico is one of those states that will slap a number on anything, including parking lots, which I find to be weird.
Utah would have something to say to that. I'm to understand the preferred method of clinching is to driver the perimeter of said State Route parking lot.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 07, 2022, 10:28:22 PM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on April 07, 2022, 08:11:57 PM
NM 597 is just a glorified driveway IMO that leads to Four Corners Monument. New Mexico is one of those states that will slap a number on anything, including parking lots, which I find to be weird.
Utah would have something to say to that. I'm to understand the preferred method of clinching is to driver the perimeter of said State Route parking lot.
Also WY 273 in Lusk, it's the driveway for the golf course. Signed and everything! (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7492617,-104.4759939,3a,15y,355.81h,89.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sRsUCy0ujLKEHnhnRTmDzbg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Quote from: Rover_0 on March 30, 2022, 02:32:04 AM
Quote from: US 89 on March 17, 2022, 06:12:43 PM
Quote from: thefraze_1020 on March 17, 2022, 05:12:56 PM
Almost every Utah state route numbered over 280. Parking lots, state facilities, etc.
Eh, most of the 300s routes are normal routes that connect to state parks. Some of the really short ones and the ones that don't connect to other state highways generally aren't signed, but they're real routes that go places, unlike the 280-290s state facility roads and parking lots. At least the weirder stuff isn't usually signed.
That said, there are of course exceptions. 282 is a signed multi-segment route on a university campus, 317 is a parking lot, 320 is entirely off-limits to the public as a training range on a National Guard base, etc...
The 280-320 set (more particularly the 281-299) are definitely the weirdest of the bunch in Utah, but there are a couple state routes that are actual roads connecting to at least a state route on one end: UT-37 and UT-147, both of which are C-shaped at best and don’t seem to operate like a belt route. The reasoning behind why they are shaped the way they are isn’t apparent to me, other than they morphed into their current shapes over the years. Then you have 147’s south(west) end, which suggests that UT-141 could easily be absorbed into 147.
The thing I've learned with Utah is that route numbering is often less of "this is a route people will take" and more of "we'll do it this way so that we can have a number on a continuous stretch of state maintained road". SR 68 essentially does a 180 in Bountiful because that stretch of 200 West down to US 89 wasn't downloaded in 2001 when the rest of that street was, for example. SR 71 is similar but longer - the E/W portion of that used to be part of SR 111 but got transferred to 71 when part of 111 further west was removed. SR 108 is also another 37/147-type route that nobody is going to follow in its entirety. Would make more sense to transfer the E/W portion to 127, but 108 was there first...
Sometimes it's just an issue of laziness. The 141/147 situation came about because 147 used to turn back east on 10400 South towards Payson, and when that got downloaded they just moved the end of 147. SR 73 is now discontinuous because a lot of it got transferred to local jurisdiction around the time SR 145 was built and they didn't bother to renumber the eastern segment to something else. The road from I-215 to the mouth of Big Cottonwood is SR 190 and not 210 because UDOT was already going to have to remilepost SR 190 and didn't want to have to do that to 210 too.
There are also signed legitimate routes that don't go anywhere. See SR 168, which is a 1-mile spur through a neighborhood and up to an air force base gate that's been closed for probably 40 years.
There are also more multi-segment routes. SR 190 literally loops back on itself in Brighton before continuing up the mountain. A 10-mile loop off US 89 and a spur from that loop to Mayfield are united under the SR 137 designation.
There's also SR 231, which is basically a 450-foot wye connecting SR 31 and US 89 in Fairview. At least that one's unsigned. And so on....
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 07, 2022, 10:28:22 PM
I'm to understand the preferred method of clinching is to driver the perimeter of said State Route parking lot.
What about parking in every spot? :D
Quote from: Declan127 on April 14, 2022, 07:23:17 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 07, 2022, 10:28:22 PM
I'm to understand the preferred method of clinching is to driver the perimeter of said State Route parking lot.
What about parking in every spot? :D
Apparently this isn't part of the equation, it seems perimeter length is where the consensus opinion the clinch apparently lies. I do find it intriguing how one would get to the drivers education course State Highway clinch though, there are many ways I could think of that would be plausible. Corco had to use a 4WD high clearance Jeep to get the nuke road State Highways.
CA-65 and CA-168 are weird routes because they are in two segments but was at one point supposed to be connected together until studies showed that connecting these two segments were not viable at the time.
https://www.cahighways.org/ROUTE065.html
https://www.cahighways.org/ROUTE168.html
Quote from: bing101 on April 14, 2022, 08:31:59 PM
CA-65 and CA-168 are weird routes because they are in two segments but was at one point supposed to be connected together until studies showed that connecting these two segments were not viable at the time.
https://www.cahighways.org/ROUTE065.html
https://www.cahighways.org/ROUTE168.html
More so, the lane needed to build a highway over Piute Pass for 168 was transferred from the Forest Service to the NPS circa 1940 to create Kings Canyon National Park. The northern Kings Canyon park boundary is essentially an overlay of the Piute Pass Highway. The same thing same to planned 180 over Kearsarge Pass.
I have a few from NJ: :biggrin:
1. NJ-59 in Cranford, NJ is a 0.15-mile railroad underpass.
2. NJ-17 makes a 180 degree turn in Rutherford, NJ, before ending for no apparent reason.
3. NJ-NY-NJ-440. This guy goes to Staten Island, then turns north, then becomes concurrent with I-278, then turns north again into NJ, then turns west parallel to I-78, then makes a weird turn and goes north again, and then it ends as a surface street.
4. Exits 9-11 of the GSP (NJ-444) used to have traffic lights until around the mid-2010s.
5. Exit 15X on the NJ Turnpike.
Oregon's Highways.
OH-835 near Dayton: Going from west to east, it starts at US-35, goes south, does a 90 degree turn left to go east, ANOTHER 90 degree turn left to go north, curves east again, then it twists its way around US-35 before ending at US-35 again. It also does not meet any other state highways.
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7280586,-84.1009506,5783m/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7280586,-84.1009506,5783m/data=!3m1!1e3)
I can't understand the purpose of NY 421 being a state road. It has a purpose, but not enough to require state maintenance IMHO. It goes from NY 30 to the Veterans Mountain Camp on Tupper Lake, then west to... literally nowhere. It dead ends on a dirt trail near Horseshoe Lake. This is a waste of a route number.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_State_Route_421
The Niagara Scenic Parkway. It starts branching off the LaSalle Expressway (which itself is a weird and pointless route), then basically continues as one of those roads that has a scenic viewpoint/overlook every 1000 feet. When it hits the Niagara Falls city limits it basically disappears. Reforms in the northern part of the city and heads north to...Lewiston? Youngstown? Really nowhere worth having whatever this is meant to be. It's so sparsely used and it's probably better to just use NY 18F to reach these places. It really baffles me when it has a massive 3-way interchange...to the North Access of Old Fort Niagara. Really? Continuing north, or really east because of that 3-way, it goes to Four Mile Creek State Park, before stopping, at a standard, at-grade intersection no less, at (what do you know?) the aforementioned NY 18F. All this nonsense, and I didn't even mention the condition of the road. The little disconnected southern part is alright, but the main portion (you know, the one that goes to nothing) is in an absolute trainwreck of a condition. This road is more commonly known by its former name, the Robert Moses Parkway. Such a baffling addition to the road network that I just had to mention it here.
^ It's worth mentioning that they were once connected, through a freeway through Niagara Falls State Park. From NY 18, it was intended to connect to the Lake Ontario State Parkway.
https://nysroads.com/rmpkwy.php
Quote from: vdeane on July 19, 2022, 09:31:40 PM
^ It's worth mentioning that they were once connected, through a freeway through Niagara Falls State Park. From NY 18, it was intended to connect to the Lake Ontario State Parkway.
https://nysroads.com/rmpkwy.php
All of that is extremely interesting. Thanks for sharing!
Yea, they removed the viaduct and the city portion because of low usage. They also mothballed the second carriageway before that. Over the Niagara Power Vista, originally there were 8 lanes of traffic over it (4 lanes of Robert Moses and 4 lanes of NY 104), and now there are 6, but still waay over capacity.
US-73.
It wastes the name that US-59 really should have.
Sorry, I mean U-S -59.
I am oddened by NC 231 going from Zebulon to NC 98 at its eastern terminus north of US 64.
Maybe NC 231 west of NC 222 should just be an extended NC 222.
Quote from: geek11111 on January 08, 2023, 07:02:38 PM
US-73.
It wastes the name that I-59 really should have.
I-59 is way too far east to be anywhere near US-73.
Unless you're saying I-59 should be I-73, but that has nothing to do with US-73.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 08, 2023, 08:32:42 PM
Quote from: geek11111 on January 08, 2023, 07:02:38 PM
US-73.
It wastes the name that I-59 really should have.
I-59 is way too far east to be anywhere near US-73.
Unless you're saying I-59 should be I-73, but that has nothing to do with US-73.
I think he meant that US 59 should be US 73. That seems to fit the context better.
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US-73.
It wastes the name that I-59 really should have.
I-59 is way too far east to be anywhere near US-73.
Unless you're saying I-59 should be I-73, but that has nothing to do with US-73.
I think he meant that US 59 should be US 73. That seems to fit the context better.
If anything, US-69 should be US-73. That was its original designation, before it was truncated and US-69 extended over it for no real reason that I know of. The 73 number also fits the grid better than either 59 or 69.
I-180 in Wyoming - which isn't an freeway at all, despite the name. Apparently an actual freeway was rejected due to its cost, but even then, giving a one mile spur its own number seems rather pointless.
I-180 in Illinois - a 13 mile freeway spur that connects to Hennepin (population 769). It exists solely to connect a then-new steel mill, which is now demolished following a turbulent history. From its Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_180_(Illinois)):
QuoteFederal auditors criticized its construction and called it a political favor that was put ahead of requests from Tucson, Arizona, and Tacoma, Washington.
I-180 is one of the least traveled Interstates in the nation, serving 1,950—3,600 vehicles per day as of 2013.
Interestingly, the majority of it was supposed to become Interstate 53/Peoria to Chicago Highway (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_revolts_in_the_United_States#Illinois) but it was never built, so the southbound part of the interchange goes from a 6 lane freeway to a 2 lane road in the span of a mile.
Quote from: CovalenceSTU on January 09, 2023, 04:43:00 PM
I-180 in Wyoming - which isn't an freeway at all, despite the name. Apparently an actual freeway was rejected due to its cost, but even then, giving a one mile spur its own number seems rather pointless.
See below for a succinct explanation.
Quote from: kphoger on October 25, 2022, 12:07:56 PM
This is because 180 was already approved to be an Interstate before it was decided to no longer be a freeway. See below.
Quote from: froggie on May 11, 2020, 10:16:27 PM
It was given Interstate status because it was designated as part of the system and Interstate Construction funding was used in its construction. Don't forget that, until about 10 years ago, the Interstates were just as much a funding category as they were a system category.
Quote from: kphoger on May 12, 2020, 01:58:48 PM
Nov. 1967 – Wyoming requested Interstate status for the corridor
Feb. 1968 – FHWA received Wyoming's request
Jun. 1970 – AASHO added I-180 to the Interstate system
Dec. 1970 – FHWA rejected Wyoming's concept proposal due to cost
Feb. 1971 – Wyoming submitted a new concept proposal, no longer a freeway
Mar. 1971 – FHWA approved Wyoming's new concept proposal
As you can see, I-180 was already on the books when its plans changed from its being grade-separated to an at-grade facility.
Also–and this is important–Interstate 80 east of that point wasn't even completed yet at the time, and wouldn't be until 1977.
Quote from: bing101 on April 14, 2022, 08:31:59 PM
CA-65 and CA-168 are weird routes because they are in two segments but was at one point supposed to be connected together until studies showed that connecting these two segments were not viable at the time.
https://www.cahighways.org/ROUTE065.html
https://www.cahighways.org/ROUTE168.html
California has ten such split roads that I'm aware of. The gap lengths are in air miles:
CA-65: 204 miles from CA-198 north of Exeter to I-80 in Roseville
CA-84: 32.3 miles from I-580 in Livermore to CA-12 in Rio Vista
CA-90: 27.1 miles from Slauson Ave in Culver City to CA-39 in La Habra
CA-146: 2.2 miles through a canyon in Pinnacles National Monument
CA-162: 28.7 miles from Indian Dick Road in Sherburns to Rd 307 NW in Elk Creek
CA-168: 30.6 miles from Lakeshore to Lake Sabrina
CA-169: 12.5 miles from Klamath Glen to Johnsons
CA-178: 53 miles from Trona Pinnacles Road to SE entrance to Death Valley
CA-190: 32 miles from Cedar Slope to US-395 in Olancha
CA-193: 6 miles from CA-49 in Cool to I-80 in Newcastle
US 4 as it goes north, then east, and then Southeast. NY 7, and MSR 9 are more direct between its endpoints. US 4 really is local use and I think those heading east from the Capital Region do not make it beyond Rutland, VT. Those east of Rutland are North Central Vermont traffic to the NH SeaCoast and local or regional in between.
I'm sure that US-321 has been mentioned but I don't feel like going through pages to find out. Ok US-321 goes between Lenior City, TN near Knoxville to Hardeeville, SC. It's 517 miles long but to get from Hardeeville to Lenior City is about 425 miles taking I-75, I-40, I-26 and I-95.
US 321 and US 101 both are N- S oddities that have two southern terminuses.
M-123 also has 2 south termini - one near Newberry, the other near Rogers Park north of St Ignace. The most direct route via M-28 is about 60 miles. To take 123 the entire way, through Paradise, is nearly 100 miles.
Quote from: pderocco on January 11, 2023, 01:11:15 AM
Quote from: bing101 on April 14, 2022, 08:31:59 PM
CA-65 and CA-168 are weird routes because they are in two segments but was at one point supposed to be connected together until studies showed that connecting these two segments were not viable at the time.
https://www.cahighways.org/ROUTE065.html
https://www.cahighways.org/ROUTE168.html
California has ten such split roads that I'm aware of. The gap lengths are in air miles:
CA-65: 204 miles from CA-198 north of Exeter to I-80 in Roseville
CA-84: 32.3 miles from I-580 in Livermore to CA-12 in Rio Vista
CA-90: 27.1 miles from Slauson Ave in Culver City to CA-39 in La Habra
CA-146: 2.2 miles through a canyon in Pinnacles National Monument
CA-162: 28.7 miles from Indian Dick Road in Sherburns to Rd 307 NW in Elk Creek
CA-168: 30.6 miles from Lakeshore to Lake Sabrina
CA-169: 12.5 miles from Klamath Glen to Johnsons
CA-178: 53 miles from Trona Pinnacles Road to SE entrance to Death Valley
CA-190: 32 miles from Cedar Slope to US-395 in Olancha
CA-193: 6 miles from CA-49 in Cool to I-80 in Newcastle
CA 39 comes to mind also. CA 39 possibly could have been signed on local roads between the state owned segments.
Some state routes which have a gap in state maintenance like CA 120 and CA 180 are still signed by the Park Service. CA 89 used to have signed in Lassen Volcanic National Park but no longer does.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 11, 2023, 06:46:46 AM
US 321 and US 101 both are N- S oddities that have two southern terminuses.
Well in that case I guess US-24 has two northern terminuses.`
Quote from: GaryV on January 11, 2023, 09:25:09 AM
M-123 also has 2 south termini - one near Newberry, the other near Rogers Park north of St Ignace. The most direct route via M-28 is about 60 miles. To take 123 the entire way, through Paradise, is nearly 100 miles.
M-22 does as well. Perhaps they could have used M-37 up the west side of Grand Traverse Bay instead of going up Old Mission Peninsula to dead end. Or they could have used M-237 to go up the peninsula. Or used M-201 to go to Traverse City.
Pennsylvania 415 splits in two directions around Harveys Lake (technically, one is PA 0415 and the other 1415).
One branch is signed North-South and the other is signed South-North, which makes sense if you follow them in a loop around the lake.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 11, 2023, 02:04:34 PM
I guess US-24 has two northern terminuses.
Is US-24 signed as North-South anywhere in Colorado?
Quote from: kphoger on January 11, 2023, 02:57:35 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 11, 2023, 02:04:34 PM
I guess US-24 has two northern terminuses.
Is US-24 signed as North-South anywhere in Colorado?
I'm not sure but it's heading north when it ends. It's signed North and South in Michigan.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 11, 2023, 05:10:44 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 11, 2023, 02:57:35 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 11, 2023, 02:04:34 PM
I guess US-24 has two northern terminuses.
Is US-24 signed as North-South anywhere in Colorado?
I'm not sure but it's heading north when it ends. It's signed North and South in Michigan.
I knew both of those facts. But I don't think there are any North US-24 or South US-24 signs in Colorado.
Interesting thread. I see KY 620 was talked about earlier on. I wouldn't have created a whole thread on that route if I knew about this thread. I wonder if US 101 should be included with that weird turn it does at the northern end.
QC 199 is a weird one when it comes to heading in other directions. It's hook-shaped (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/47.5545946,-61.5595662/47.2369374,-61.827803/@47.398461,-62.0053036,10z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0?hl=en), and was cross-signed EST/OUEST (east/west) until 2004 due to, I believe, our tendency in the Magdalen Islands to refer to Havre-Aubert, at its south end, as the west of the archipelago and Grande-Entrée, at its north end, as the east.
Quote from: kphoger on January 11, 2023, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 11, 2023, 05:10:44 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 11, 2023, 02:57:35 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 11, 2023, 02:04:34 PM
I guess US-24 has two northern terminuses.
Is US-24 signed as North-South anywhere in Colorado?
I'm not sure but it's heading north when it ends. It's signed North and South in Michigan.
I knew both of those facts. But I don't think there are any North US-24 or South US-24 signs in Colorado.
That is correct. It's signed east-west all the way up to the end at I-70 near Minturn.
Quote from: kphoger on January 11, 2023, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 11, 2023, 05:10:44 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 11, 2023, 02:57:35 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 11, 2023, 02:04:34 PM
I guess US-24 has two northern terminuses.
Is US-24 signed as North-South anywhere in Colorado?
I'm not sure but it's heading north when it ends. It's signed North and South in Michigan.
I knew both of those facts. But I don't think there are any North US-24 or South US-24 signs in Colorado.
That is correct. It's probably about the same distance going north and south in Colorado as it is Michigan. It changes at the state line, actually I crossed the state line on US-24 yesterday. It should probably be north-south all the way to Maumee which is where it really changes directions. It also keeps the name Telegraph until Detroit Ave where US-25 used to split from a concurrency with it. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0757553,-106.280902,3a,15y,40.08h,92.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sei0atcxzkjVZevINspwzhA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 11, 2023, 02:13:15 PM
Quote from: GaryV on January 11, 2023, 09:25:09 AM
M-123 also has 2 south termini - one near Newberry, the other near Rogers Park north of St Ignace. The most direct route via M-28 is about 60 miles. To take 123 the entire way, through Paradise, is nearly 100 miles.
M-22 does as well. Perhaps they could have used M-37 up the west side of Grand Traverse Bay instead of going up Old Mission Peninsula to dead end. Or they could have used M-237 to go up the peninsula. Or used M-201 to go to Traverse City.
So does WI 13. Wisconsin Dells and near Superior.
Quote from: Big John on January 11, 2023, 11:50:01 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 11, 2023, 02:13:15 PM
Quote from: GaryV on January 11, 2023, 09:25:09 AM
M-123 also has 2 south termini - one near Newberry, the other near Rogers Park north of St Ignace. The most direct route via M-28 is about 60 miles. To take 123 the entire way, through Paradise, is nearly 100 miles.
M-22 does as well. Perhaps they could have used M-37 up the west side of Grand Traverse Bay instead of going up Old Mission Peninsula to dead end. Or they could have used M-237 to go up the peninsula. Or used M-201 to go to Traverse City.
So does WI 13. Wisconsin Dells and near Superior.
M-25 in Michigan is kind of the same way
Another Michigan route that is weird is M-48 it crosses over I-75 and then swings back to the east to end at it. So it has a southern terminus heads to the west and then has an eastern terminus. The route is in the U.P. near Rudyard and Pickford.
I have one from Massachusetts. MA 145 in Winthrop. It basically exists just so Winthrop has a numbered highway. It pretty much takes an absolutely bizarre path for almost 7 miles just rejoin MA 1A 2 miles later.
Quote from: roadman65 on August 14, 2021, 11:13:36 PM
US 101, despite it being a two digit number with three digits, it's northern hook around to head south again to Olympia, WA is crazy. It should end in Port Angela's as you have the Victoria Ferry there to Canada. The rest of the Route could be a WA State designation of some other number.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 11, 2023, 06:46:46 AM
US 321 and US 101 both are N- S oddities that have two southern terminuses.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 11, 2023, 06:07:07 PM
I wonder if US 101 should be included with that weird turn it does at the northern end.
So... You didn't bother searching the thread to find out if it was already included?
Do you know if M-43 can be considered? I've never been to the western terminal.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 12, 2023, 08:08:21 AM
Quote from: Big John on January 11, 2023, 11:50:01 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 11, 2023, 02:13:15 PM
Quote from: GaryV on January 11, 2023, 09:25:09 AM
M-123 also has 2 south termini - one near Newberry, the other near Rogers Park north of St Ignace. The most direct route via M-28 is about 60 miles. To take 123 the entire way, through Paradise, is nearly 100 miles.
M-22 does as well. Perhaps they could have used M-37 up the west side of Grand Traverse Bay instead of going up Old Mission Peninsula to dead end. Or they could have used M-237 to go up the peninsula. Or used M-201 to go to Traverse City.
So does WI 13. Wisconsin Dells and near Superior.
M-25 in Michigan is kind of the same way
Quote from: kphoger on January 12, 2023, 10:44:09 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 14, 2021, 11:13:36 PM
US 101, despite it being a two digit number with three digits, it's northern hook around to head south again to Olympia, WA is crazy. It should end in Port Angela's as you have the Victoria Ferry there to Canada. The rest of the Route could be a WA State designation of some other number.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 11, 2023, 06:46:46 AM
US 321 and US 101 both are N- S oddities that have two southern terminuses.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on January 11, 2023, 06:07:07 PM
I wonder if US 101 should be included with that weird turn it does at the northern end.
So... You didn't bother searching the thread to find out if it was already included?
I didn't see this thread at all until a couple days ago. I created a thread on 620 back in early November.
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on January 12, 2023, 01:54:28 PM
Do you know if M-43 can be considered? I've never been to the western terminal.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 12, 2023, 08:08:21 AM
Quote from: Big John on January 11, 2023, 11:50:01 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 11, 2023, 02:13:15 PM
Quote from: GaryV on January 11, 2023, 09:25:09 AM
M-123 also has 2 south termini - one near Newberry, the other near Rogers Park north of St Ignace. The most direct route via M-28 is about 60 miles. To take 123 the entire way, through Paradise, is nearly 100 miles.
M-22 does as well. Perhaps they could have used M-37 up the west side of Grand Traverse Bay instead of going up Old Mission Peninsula to dead end. Or they could have used M-237 to go up the peninsula. Or used M-201 to go to Traverse City.
So does WI 13. Wisconsin Dells and near Superior.
M-25 in Michigan is kind of the same way
M-43's western terminus is in South Haven. It's at the corner of Phillips and LaGrange. It's actually heading NW-SE as it ends there. On the eastern end it ends at I-96 after running concurrently with M-52 for no reason at all other than to put it on the sign on I-96 so it is heading south when it ends at it's eastern terminus. Along the way M-43 takes an indirect route through Lansing and now you have the concurrency with M-89 and US-131 to go around Kalamazoo as well. All that rerouting in the Kalamazoo area did was added miles to M-43. I don't think anyone would really follow M-43 from end to end. I think the best route to go from South Haven to Webberville you'd follow it between South Haven and Kalamazoo then you'd lose it for the rest of the way, using US-131 to I-94 to I-69 to I-96. I would have to say M-43 is indeed a weird route.
Quote from: froggie on August 19, 2021, 10:39:18 PM
Unless I missed it, nobody has yet mentioned VA 165 in this thread.
Nope, no one else has mentioned it, even 1-1/2 year after your comment.
Yeah, when I first saw this topic, VA-165 came forefront in my mind.
Norfolk:
Little Creek Rd, N. Military Hwy, Northampton Blvd, Kempsville Rd
Virginia Beach:
Princess Anne Rd, North Landing Rd.
Chesapeake:
Mount Pleasant Rd, Battlefield Blvd, Cedar Rd, Moses Grandy Trail (formerly Cedar Rd).
The south end is actually slightly further west than the north end!
The thing is here that other than the local interstates, no one refers to route numbers in this part of Virginia. Unless a visitor happens to find me about route numbers, all you'll get are blank stares! Many won't even know that US-460 even comes into Norfolk.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/VA_165_map.svg
Quote from: 18 wheel warrior on February 20, 2023, 12:21:38 PM
The thing is here that other than the local interstates, no one refers to route numbers in this part of Virginia. Unless a visitor happens to find me about route numbers, all you'll get are blank stares! Many won't even know that US-460 even comes into Norfolk.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/VA_165_map.svg
The only exceptions to this are routes like VA-168 and US-17 (south of I-64), but those are freeway / major highways.
I feel like US-13 is one that stands out to me, at least east of I-64 (along Northampton Blvd) but that's because that's the highway to the CBBT.
I'll nominate WV 46, which exists as two separate sections in Mineral County connected by a section of MD 135 across the state line.
MD 46 is a fairly major road from WV 28 at Fort Ashby to US 220 in Keyser, the county seat. It functions as a rural major collective from there west to Piedmont, paralleled by the better MD 135 on the Maryland side of the North Branch Potomac River.
At Piedmont, things get weird. Until the 1970s, the road headed south out of town on what looks like a hellacious alignment out of the North Branch Potomac River valley that has since been abandoned (part is now CR 46/1). Then, the state rerouted WV 46 to head north of Piedmont into Maryland, where it hits MD 135 just over the state line. A couple mile section of MD 135 serves as an unsigned connection to the other part of WV 46, which begins again to the west near Beryl. Here, WV 46 heads south on what was previously a private road. This road is far below the quality of most other WV routes - mostly a chip-seal surface with no lane striping at all.
Once it gets to the top of the grade leaving the North Branch Potomac, it meets back up with its old alignment. It takes a meandering path for a while and then joins with a section that was realigned by the Army Corps of Engineers durign the construction of Jennings Randolph Dam. Here, it picks up the full asphalt pavement and lane striping common to WV state routes. It follows at this level, albeit on a winding hilly alignment, to its western end at a triangle with WV 42 at Elk Garden.
Honestly, I'm not sure why the western section remains signed as a WV route other than perhaps a desire to have a state route serve Jennings Randolph Lake. Considering the poor quality of the road, I'd be inclined to just demote that entire western half down to county route status.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 11, 2023, 09:35:26 AM
Quote from: pderocco on January 11, 2023, 01:11:15 AM
Quote from: bing101 on April 14, 2022, 08:31:59 PM
CA-65 and CA-168 are weird routes because they are in two segments but was at one point supposed to be connected together until studies showed that connecting these two segments were not viable at the time.
https://www.cahighways.org/ROUTE065.html
https://www.cahighways.org/ROUTE168.html
California has ten such split roads that I'm aware of. The gap lengths are in air miles:
CA-65: 204 miles from CA-198 north of Exeter to I-80 in Roseville
CA-84: 32.3 miles from I-580 in Livermore to CA-12 in Rio Vista
CA-90: 27.1 miles from Slauson Ave in Culver City to CA-39 in La Habra
CA-146: 2.2 miles through a canyon in Pinnacles National Monument
CA-162: 28.7 miles from Indian Dick Road in Sherburns to Rd 307 NW in Elk Creek
CA-168: 30.6 miles from Lakeshore to Lake Sabrina
CA-169: 12.5 miles from Klamath Glen to Johnsons
CA-178: 53 miles from Trona Pinnacles Road to SE entrance to Death Valley
CA-190: 32 miles from Cedar Slope to US-395 in Olancha
CA-193: 6 miles from CA-49 in Cool to I-80 in Newcastle
CA 39 comes to mind also. CA 39 possibly could have been signed on local roads between the state owned segments.
Some state routes which have a gap in state maintenance like CA 120 and CA 180 are still signed by the Park Service. CA 89 used to have signed in Lassen Volcanic National Park but no longer does.
Then you get the routes that were once continuous, but are no longer so because part was decommissioned. SR 160 comes to mind.
Quote from: Bitmapped on February 20, 2023, 10:27:42 PM
I'll nominate WV 46, which exists as two separate sections in Mineral County connected by a section of MD 135 across the state line.
MD 46 is a fairly major road from WV 28 at Fort Ashby to US 220 in Keyser, the county seat. It functions as a rural major collective from there west to Piedmont, paralleled by the better MD 135 on the Maryland side of the North Branch Potomac River.
At Piedmont, things get weird. Until the 1970s, the road headed south out of town on what looks like a hellacious alignment out of the North Branch Potomac River valley that has since been abandoned (part is now CR 46/1). Then, the state rerouted WV 46 to head north of Piedmont into Maryland, where it hits MD 135 just over the state line. A couple mile section of MD 135 serves as an unsigned connection to the other part of WV 46, which begins again to the west near Beryl. Here, WV 46 heads south on what was previously a private road. This road is far below the quality of most other WV routes - mostly a chip-seal surface with no lane striping at all.
Once it gets to the top of the grade leaving the North Branch Potomac, it meets back up with its old alignment. It takes a meandering path for a while and then joins with a section that was realigned by the Army Corps of Engineers durign the construction of Jennings Randolph Dam. Here, it picks up the full asphalt pavement and lane striping common to WV state routes. It follows at this level, albeit on a winding hilly alignment, to its western end at a triangle with WV 42 at Elk Garden.
Honestly, I'm not sure why the western section remains signed as a WV route other than perhaps a desire to have a state route serve Jennings Randolph Lake. Considering the poor quality of the road, I'd be inclined to just demote that entire western half down to county route status.
I've seen photos of that western section after it leaves Maryland headed toward Mt. Storm that featured a "Pavement Ends" sign not long after crossing the Potomac. That was before I drove the road so I never saw it in person.
As far as the road itself goes, it's not really worse quality than, say, the eastern section of WV 72, or WV 71 for most of its length.
Since Scott mentioned it in another thread, I will nominate Arkansas highway 74. After looking at it on a map, I can't for the life of me understand how that "octa-plex" connects in any logical way. Did they just decide to randomly number 8 totally different routes as 74 for no reason whatsoever?
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 14, 2021, 03:04:11 PM
The Indian Nation Turnpike (nascent OK-375) doesn't look too weird on paper, being mostly a straight line, but it connects Henryetta to...Hugo? Paris TX? Not a very common origin/destination pair at all, made worse by the fact that it manages to deftly dodge most of the population centers in eastern Oklahoma. (When you're reduced to using Antlers as a control city, you've kinda fucked up.) Whatever traffic is gets is Tulsa-to-Dallas traffic that jumps off of it at US-69, so everything south of there is a ghost town.
It supposed to be part of a Houston / Beaumont to Tulsa-4-laned route. US-59 or US-69 from Beaumont or Houston to Lufkin. US-69 to Greenville. I-30 to SH-24. SH-24 to Paris and US-271 to Hugo / INT. INT / US-75 to Tulsa.
Most of it actually has over the decades been built out as 4-lanes. Lufkin to Longview to Paris is a better route from Beaumont, but it wasn't pushed by a consortium of community route organizers. Following SH-19 from Huntsville to Paris is almost a straight line from Houston to Tulsa.
THE INT is on the route Google maps suggests. It makes the route between two of the biggest players in the oil and gas significantly closer. And yes, it does run between Bugtussell & BFE. Part of the allure was there really was no road there before the INT.
Actually, it misses Bugtussle by about 10 miles. :P https://www.google.com/maps/place/35%C2%B001'51.0%22N+95%C2%B041'24.0%22W/@35.0320179,-95.8701923,11.54z/data=!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d35.030833!4d-95.69?hl=en
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 14, 2021, 03:04:11 PM
The Indian Nation Turnpike (nascent OK-375) doesn't look too weird on paper, being mostly a straight line, but it connects Henryetta to...Hugo? Paris TX? Not a very common origin/destination pair at all, made worse by the fact that it manages to deftly dodge most of the population centers in eastern Oklahoma. (When you're reduced to using Antlers as a control city, you've kinda fucked up.) Whatever traffic is gets is Tulsa-to-Dallas traffic that jumps off of it at US-69, so everything south of there is a ghost town.
I do like using OK 375 on trips between home and college. It largely avoids I-45 and Dallas (and all the construction on US 75 near the TX/OK border right now), plus it has little traffic and 80 mph speed limits to boot. The tolls to me are negligible and not a big deal.
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It supposed to be part of a Houston / Beaumont to Tulsa-4-laned route. US-59 or US-69 from Beaumont to Houston to Lufkin. US-69 to Greenville. I-30 to SH-24. SH-24 to Paris and US-271 to Hugo / INT. INT / US-75 to Tulsa.
Most of it actually has over the decades been built out as 4-lanes. Lufkin to Longview to Paris is a better route from Beaumont, but it wasn't pushed by a consortium of community route organizers. Following SH-19 from Huntsville to Paris is almost a straight line from Houston to Tulsa.
THE INT is on the route Google maps suggests. It makes the route between two of the biggest players in the oil and gas significantly closer. And yes, it does run between Bugtussell & BFE. Part of the allure was there really was no road there before the INT.
Most of the time, my aforementioned route between college and home usually is just to take TX-19 the whole way between Paris and Huntsville, and honestly, there's not much bad to say about the route. Many of the towns along TX-19 are bypassed (but not all). Out of those that aren't, Emory is the most annoying because of the nasty speed limit drop, but the others are tolerable. For my spring break trip back home, I'm probably going to try out US 271 from Paris to Tyler to US 69 to Lufkin to US 59 to Houston to clinch most of the counties I'm missing in east Texas (and catch up on some I-69 construction).
Quote from: kirbykart on July 20, 2022, 12:14:57 AM
Quote from: vdeane on July 19, 2022, 09:31:40 PM
^ It's worth mentioning that they were once connected, through a freeway through Niagara Falls State Park. From NY 18, it was intended to connect to the Lake Ontario State Parkway.
https://nysroads.com/rmpkwy.php
All of that is extremely interesting. Thanks for sharing!
A bit late as I'm just seeing this now, but wow, that is interesting. I knew that the one-way segment now called the Riverway used to be two-way, but I guess I always thought it still dumped into city streets for a short stretch. I never knew that it was a full freeway through the park.
Quote from: webny99 on March 07, 2023, 08:59:29 AM
Quote from: kirbykart on July 20, 2022, 12:14:57 AM
Quote from: vdeane on July 19, 2022, 09:31:40 PM
^ It's worth mentioning that they were once connected, through a freeway through Niagara Falls State Park. From NY 18, it was intended to connect to the Lake Ontario State Parkway.
https://nysroads.com/rmpkwy.php
All of that is extremely interesting. Thanks for sharing!
A bit late as I'm just seeing this now, but wow, that is interesting. I knew that the one-way segment now called the Riverway used to be two-way, but I guess I always thought it still dumped into city streets for a short stretch. I never knew that it was a full freeway through the park.
I also completely forgot that the Parkway went right over top of the US Customs area at Whirlpool. It had a pretty good view of the Falls too, albeit behind the Rainbow Bridge: https://goo.gl/maps/AAVP8uGrok7aBhhk8
Quote from: bwana39 on March 06, 2023, 04:37:32 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 14, 2021, 03:04:11 PM
The Indian Nation Turnpike (nascent OK-375) doesn't look too weird on paper, being mostly a straight line, but it connects Henryetta to...Hugo? Paris TX? Not a very common origin/destination pair at all, made worse by the fact that it manages to deftly dodge most of the population centers in eastern Oklahoma. (When you're reduced to using Antlers as a control city, you've kinda fucked up.) Whatever traffic is gets is Tulsa-to-Dallas traffic that jumps off of it at US-69, so everything south of there is a ghost town.
It supposed to be part of a Houston / Beaumont to Tulsa-4-laned route. US-59 or US-69 from Beaumont to Houston to Lufkin. US-69 to Greenville. I-30 to SH-24. SH-24 to Paris and US-271 to Hugo / INT. INT / US-75 to Tulsa.
Most of it actually has over the decades been built out as 4-lanes. Lufkin to Longview to Paris is a better route from Beaumont, but it wasn't pushed by a consortium of community route organizers. Following SH-19 from Huntsville to Paris is almost a straight line from Houston to Tulsa.
THE INT is on the route Google maps suggests. It makes the route between two of the biggest players in the oil and gas significantly closer. And yes, it does run between Bugtussell & BFE. Part of the allure was there really was no road there before the INT.
Gee, I once used the Indian Nation Tpke as a route from OKC to Idabel. Enjoyed the ride, too.
U.S. 69 within Kansas City. Freeway-induced realignments are probably the cause, but it still doesn't change the fact that this is one of the most batshit insane routings I've ever seen.
Quote from: Kulerage on May 31, 2023, 07:15:49 PM
U.S. 69 within Kansas City. Freeway-induced realignments are probably the cause, but it still doesn't change the fact that this is one of the most batshit insane routings I've ever seen.
Jesus Christ, you weren't lying. Perhaps it's one of those cases where it would be better for the US highway to remain on the Interstate, and have the old routing be state routes.
The actual cause of the routing of US 69 is that KDOT has a policy that does not allow K routes to be entirely within municipal boundaries. (I'm not 100% clear on whether this is "the boundaries of one municipality, but two or more are okay" or if it's a more general "at least part of the route must be in unincorporated territory".) At the same time, however, KDOT (and/or the cities involved) wants to keep certain roads in Johnson County state maintained. So since nobody but a roadgeek is actually going to be following US 69 all the way across Johnson County, its routing (along with that of US 169) has been manipulated to hit as many of these segments of road as possible.
Quote from: TheStranger on August 15, 2021, 11:15:23 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 14, 2021, 07:58:49 PM
The approximately 0.09 miles of CA 225 that still exists as a rail underpass.
- Route 238 even if the I-238 segment was still state route only - the "bump" with 580 means that those two segments really do not operate as one cohesive route at all. If anything, the state route portion of 238 really should be tied together with 185 instead.
Love this idea!
I can see CA-238 along Foothill Blvd betweeen 580/238 and Downtown Hayward as being part of CA-92. There probably is a good reason to provide better connections between I-580 (to/from Central Valley) and the San Mateo Bridge using surface streets as alternates to I-880.
And along with that, CA-185 continuing southward as the surface route providing the original Oakland - San Jose surface route.
A good connection as the "second" east bay N-S interstate connecting I-680 with the north-south I-580.
IMO, I-980 is a wasted designation, this could have easily been an extension of CA-24. With that said, I can definitely see a fix in the designation of I-580 that the E-W portion should have a different designation from the N-S portion.
I-580 is clearly an amalgamation of four separate routings: San Rafael - Berkeley; Berkeley - Oakland Maze; Oakland Maze - Castro Valley; Castro Valley - Central Valley. This means that these routings do not need to all be in the same number, as it doesnt make some sense. I would keep the first three as 580 (the second one co-signed with I-80 of course), and the fourth one being a new number [maybe 705?]. In that case, we will no longer need I-238. I-705 as an E-W interstate connecting I-5 to I-880 and a I-580 that continues north from Castro Valley.
Were QC 132, QC 169 and QC 368 mentioned yet? Two of those highways (QC 132, QC 169) loop to end at themselves, and the third one (QC 368) never ends, as the ÃŽle d'Orléans bridge and connector road aren't officially part of 368.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on July 16, 2023, 05:55:07 PM
Were QC 132, QC 169 and QC 368 mentioned yet? Two of those highways (QC 132, QC 169) loop to end at themselves, and the third one (QC 368) never ends, as the ÃŽle d'Orléans bridge and connector road aren't officially part of 368.
The connection is shown as part of 368 here (http://www.dds.transports.gouv.qc.ca). Is there a better source of route data available?
Quote from: vdeane on July 16, 2023, 08:52:29 PM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on July 16, 2023, 05:55:07 PM
Were QC 132, QC 169 and QC 368 mentioned yet? Two of those highways (QC 132, QC 169) loop to end at themselves, and the third one (QC 368) never ends, as the ÃŽle d'Orléans bridge and connector road aren't officially part of 368.
The connection is shown as part of 368 here (http://www.dds.transports.gouv.qc.ca). Is there a better source of route data available?
Huh, so it is part of 368. Signage on ÃŽle d'Orléans seems to contradict that, perhaps for simplicity's sake.
US-57 and US-96 would fit into the grid a lot better if they were swapped. US-57 makes sense in a larger sense because it's a continuation of MX-57 which goes south to Mexico City. But I have no clue why US-96 was numbered the way it was.
When US 59 got rerouted to Laredo on what had been until then US 96, they decided to relocate the latter on the section left behind by the former.
It should also be noted that the original US 96 was also weird, running from Rosenberg (at the time, Alt US 90 was "plain" US 90) to Brownsville. They assumed the entire Gulf Coast was East-West and US 96 was numbered accordingly despite it running clearly North-South. Only when the Southern part was taken over by US 281 and US 96 was rerouted to Laredo did it make sense.
I-85 in Virginia.
It just goes through much forest, not a lot to look at. It lacks exits until North Carolina.
Quote from: DesertedHighwayz on July 19, 2023, 02:53:34 PM
I-85 in Virginia.
It just goes through much forest, not a lot to look at. It lacks exits until North Carolina.
How is it a weird route though? It connects Richmond / Petersburg & the I-95 corridor (feeding from the Northeast & DC metro) to Durham, Greensboro, Charlotte, Atlanta, and points southwest.
The portion between Durham and Petersburg is rural but that doesn't discount its importance. I wouldn't call it "weird" .
Also, while the exits are rural and light traffic, they certainly do exist in Virginia. It even features a full cloverleaf with US-58, which connects east towards Hampton Roads, a major traffic generator.
I agree with sprjus4. If you look back to the first post in this thread, you'll see the OP was using "weird" in a particular way–and perhaps it bears mention that he originally didn't use the word "weird" at all. Instead, he called the thread "Retard Roads" and wanted people to post roads that followed "retarded routes." That might give the original post a little more context (and it might explain the moderator's comment–the thread was locked at one point when a few people took offense at the wording, which didn't seem to occur to the now-banned Mike2357 as he seemed to like using that word in a routine way, like the way people used to use it in the 1970s).
If a Virginia Interstate qualifies, arguably the one that best fits what he had in mind is I-64 due to how its eastern end loops around.
I don't see what's weird about I-85 in Virginia. I remember eating at a Huddle House at exit 4 about 2 years ago and there were other things around there too. It might be rural but it's not real remote.
I-85 in VA probably feels more remote than it actually is because the whole road is lined with a wall on trees too thick to see through. The whole route feels like you're in the middle of nowhere in a huge, unending forest, which, while true for a lot of the route, isn't true for all of it, but the trees make you think that it is.
Quote from: vdeane on July 20, 2023, 12:37:34 PM
I-85 in VA probably feels more remote than it actually is because the whole road is lined with a wall on trees too thick to see through. The whole route feels like you're in the middle of nowhere in a huge, unending forest, which, while true for a lot of the route, isn't true for all of it, but the trees make you think that it is.
Besides the northern 7 or so miles near Petersburg, the rest of the route is certainly in the middle of nowhere in a huge, unending forest.
Even the portion a few miles west of I-95 travels through only sparsely developed exurban area before turning fully rural south of US-460.
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I had a college friend who hailed from one of the small towns along I-85 in Virginia. She said her family never locked the doors to their house except the one week a year when they visited relatives in Michigan. I'd say that's a great sign of a rural area!
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 20, 2023, 04:13:58 PM
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I had a college friend who hailed from one of the small towns along I-85 in Virginia. She said her family never locked the doors to their house except the one week a year when they visited relatives in Michigan. I'd say that's a great sign of a rural area!
So...weird? Seems like a stretch. :D
Quote from: Rothman on July 20, 2023, 04:36:01 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 20, 2023, 04:13:58 PM
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I had a college friend who hailed from one of the small towns along I-85 in Virginia. She said her family never locked the doors to their house except the one week a year when they visited relatives in Michigan. I'd say that's a great sign of a rural area!
So...weird? Seems like a stretch. :D
I'm not the one who said it's a weird route. That was "Desertedhighwayz" in Reply #313. I was just agreeing with sprjus4 that it's a very rural area. My name is not Beltway, so I'm allowed to agree with sprjus4.
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Quote from: 1995hoo on July 20, 2023, 04:44:40 PM
Quote from: Rothman on July 20, 2023, 04:36:01 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 20, 2023, 04:13:58 PM
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I had a college friend who hailed from one of the small towns along I-85 in Virginia. She said her family never locked the doors to their house except the one week a year when they visited relatives in Michigan. I'd say that's a great sign of a rural area!
So...weird? Seems like a stretch. :D
I'm not the one who said it's a weird route. That was "Desertedhighwayz" in Reply #313. I was just agreeing with sprjus4 that it's a very rural area. My name is not Beltway, so I'm allowed to agree with sprjus4.
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Oh, I know. Just following the discussion to find something weird and failing.
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 20, 2023, 04:00:01 PM
Quote from: vdeane on July 20, 2023, 12:37:34 PM
I-85 in VA probably feels more remote than it actually is because the whole road is lined with a wall on trees too thick to see through. The whole route feels like you're in the middle of nowhere in a huge, unending forest, which, while true for a lot of the route, isn't true for all of it, but the trees make you think that it is.
Besides the northern 7 or so miles near Petersburg, the rest of the route is certainly in the middle of nowhere in a huge, unending forest.
Even the portion a few miles west of I-95 travels through only sparsely developed exurban area before turning fully rural south of US-460.
There's more development than the trees would suggest. Especially around areas like the US 58 exit. And there's the occasional farm. Still very forested, but not to the extent the trees would have you believe.
There used to be even more tree cover along I85 but a couple of ice storms over the years thinned them out a little