Common highway numbers that aren't found in your state

Started by hbelkins, January 29, 2020, 02:33:45 PM

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kphoger

Quote from: Eth on January 29, 2020, 05:41:18 PM
The only number under 100 missing in Georgia is, you guessed it, 69.

I didn't guess it.

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Quote from: NE2 on January 03, 2014, 05:32:51 AM
Georgia: 69 became part of 17 in 1957-1959, probably for unrelated reasons
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Hawaii reserved 1-10 for Interstates, and a never-pursued interisland ferry system. Also, two-digit routes are reserved for primary routes, and each island gets a reserved number block. About half the primary routes are on Oahu (Honolulu), in the 6x-9x block plus Interstates H-1, H-2. and H-3.

So the only two-digit routes are 11, 19, 30, 31, 32 (and 32A and unsigned 32B), 36 (and 36A), 37, 50, 51, 56, 58, 61, 63, 64, 65, 72, 76, 78, 80, 83, 92, 93, 95 (unsigned), 98. and 99. Big gaps in the 2x (Big Island, where all the routes beginning with 2 are 3-digit secondary) and 4x (Lanai and Molokai, with no primary routes) ranges.

It's simpler in Alaska. Only a dozen route numbers in use, 1-11 and 98. There are many more state-maintained highways, which get no route numbers since Alaskans really are not into route numbers.
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RobbieL2415

There is no longer a 15 in MA.
There is no 13, 23, 24, 50, 60, or 90 in CT.

hotdogPi

Clinched, minus I-93 (I'm missing a few miles and my file is incorrect)

Traveled, plus US 13, 44, and 50, and several state routes

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webny99

Now I'm thinking, are there any states that allow duplication of US and state routes?

NY has most of the low numbers in its state route system: NY 2, NY 3, NY 5, NY 7, NY 8, NY 10.
And we have US 1, US 4, US 6, and US 9, so that explains those omissions. This trend seems to continue, with US 11, NY 12 and 13, and so on.

In fact, it appears that 47 is the lowest number, and the only number below 50, not used at the state or US level. Higher than I thought! Can any other state go higher, possibly even triple digits, claiming ALL numbers 1-99?

Rothman

Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

bassoon1986

#32
Louisiana does not have these numbered state highways:

7- was taken over by newly commissioned US 371 in the 90's

32- never had one in the old numbering system or the current one.


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webny99

Quote from: Rothman on January 29, 2020, 09:45:18 PM
US 2 is signed in NY (as well as NY 2). :D

Well, not for any significant length, but yes, it does enter NY.

Quote from: bassoon1986 on January 29, 2020, 09:56:00 PM
Louisiana does not have state highways:

I don't think you meant that to be taken the way I took it at first.

dlsterner

Quote from: webny99 on January 29, 2020, 09:36:18 PM
Now I'm thinking, are there any states that allow duplication of US and state routes?

Quite a few do.  Florida, for one.  In fact, US 17 and FL 17 actually intersect in Haines City.  There was once an intersection of US 27 and FL 27 near Miami, but FL 27 was renamed to FL 997 (I assume to prevent confusion).  If you want to stretch things, US 1 and FL A1A intersect several times.

Super Mateo

Quote from: webny99 on January 29, 2020, 09:36:18 PM
Now I'm thinking, are there any states that allow duplication of US and state routes?

If I'm understanding the question correctly, I believe you're talking about a state using the same number on a state and US route?  If so, I can tell you that Illinois allows it.  There is US Route 6, running through the south suburbs of Chicago, Starved Rock, and the Quad Cities.  Meanwhile, IL 6 exists in the Peoria area, a good distance south of US 6.  50 and 54 are other examples, and there may be more.

dlsterner

Maryland has no route numbered 9.

Some speculation for possible use of 9 that never materialized:  http://www.mdroads.com/routes/007-011.html#md009

Maryland is a state that does not duplicate US and State numbers (except for recently US 222 and MD 222, due to a partial decommission). Duplicating Interstate numbers, Maryland has no problems with. (See I-68 and MD 68 for example)  :)

(Not sure of Maryland's policy with Fritzways)

Hot Rod Hootenanny

Besides the curious case of Ohio 1 (used twice, 1912-26 along present day US 40, & 1961-65 sort of along I-71), the (second) lowest number ODOT doesn't use currently is 92.
The lowest number never used in Ohio, since 1912, would be 388
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Big John

^^ There is also Ill Rte 40 in NW Illinois and US 40 running east from St Louis.  Ill 40 was Ill 88 until Ill Rte 5 became I-88 and the 2 highways crossed each other.

J3ebrules

NJ does not have any route 2. I always found that odd, since US 1 and NJ 3 are major routes. But we have not had a Route 2 since 1942, when NJ 2 was renumbered to 17.
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DJ Particle

Quote from: PHLBOS on January 29, 2020, 03:39:05 PM
In MA, one will not find a Route 45*, 50 & 55 (*MA 45 was renumbered to MA 145 circa 1958).  The supposed reasoning for this was due to the possibility that those route shield reassurance markers, which along non-highways didn't start sporting direction-cardinal banners system-wide until the 1980s, could be mistaken for speed limit signs.

Well, maybe if MA didn't just use a plain white square....  just sayin'... 😏

Flint1979

Quote from: webny99 on January 29, 2020, 09:36:18 PM
Now I'm thinking, are there any states that allow duplication of US and state routes?

NY has most of the low numbers in its state route system: NY 2, NY 3, NY 5, NY 7, NY 8, NY 10.
And we have US 1, US 4, US 6, and US 9, so that explains those omissions. This trend seems to continue, with US 11, NY 12 and 13, and so on.

In fact, it appears that 47 is the lowest number, and the only number below 50, not used at the state or US level. Higher than I thought! Can any other state go higher, possibly even triple digits, claiming ALL numbers 1-99?
Michigan must allow it. There's US-8 and M-8, US-10 and M-10, US-45 and M-45. There might be another one I always seem to miss one or two.

Flint1979

I know Indiana doesn't allow it. The state highways follow the same system the US highway system does. Even highways run east and west and start with 2 in the northern part of the state and odd highways run north and south and start with 1 in the eastern part of the state.

In fact I believe one of the US highways I think it's US-40 falls in the same area that Indiana 40 would be in. It's in between Indiana 38 and 42. US-6 I believe falls in that as well.

Mapmikey

Quote from: dlsterner on January 29, 2020, 11:10:13 PM
Maryland has no route numbered 9.

Some speculation for possible use of 9 that never materialized:  http://www.mdroads.com/routes/007-011.html#md009

Maryland is a state that does not duplicate US and State numbers (except for recently US 222 and MD 222, due to a partial decommission). Duplicating Interstate numbers, Maryland has no problems with. (See I-68 and MD 68 for example)  :)

(Not sure of Maryland's policy with Fritzways)


The first potential MD 9 was on paper in 1953 assigned to the future expressway from Baltimore north (today's I-83)
See page 24 here - http://msa.maryland.gov/megafile/msa/stagser/s1800/s1883/000000/000033/pdf/msa_s1883_000033.pdf#search=1950+route+control

There was an actual MD 9 from 1966-77.  It was renumbered as MD 956.

See https://msa.maryland.gov/megafile/msa/stagser/s1800/s1891/000000/000002/pdf/msa_s1891_000002.pdf

Here is the memo to move MD 9 to replace US 140


GaryV

Quote from: Flint1979 on January 30, 2020, 05:54:04 AM
Quote from: webny99 on January 29, 2020, 09:36:18 PM
Now I'm thinking, are there any states that allow duplication of US and state routes?

NY has most of the low numbers in its state route system: NY 2, NY 3, NY 5, NY 7, NY 8, NY 10.
And we have US 1, US 4, US 6, and US 9, so that explains those omissions. This trend seems to continue, with US 11, NY 12 and 13, and so on.

In fact, it appears that 47 is the lowest number, and the only number below 50, not used at the state or US level. Higher than I thought! Can any other state go higher, possibly even triple digits, claiming ALL numbers 1-99?
Michigan must allow it. There's US-8 and M-8, US-10 and M-10, US-45 and M-45. There might be another one I always seem to miss one or two.
You forgot 24.
There used to be other duplicate M and US numbers: 25, 27, 33, 112, 131.

NWI_Irish96

Quote from: Flint1979 on January 30, 2020, 06:00:29 AM
I know Indiana doesn't allow it. The state highways follow the same system the US highway system does. Even highways run east and west and start with 2 in the northern part of the state and odd highways run north and south and start with 1 in the eastern part of the state.

In fact I believe one of the US highways I think it's US-40 falls in the same area that Indiana 40 would be in. It's in between Indiana 38 and 42. US-6 I believe falls in that as well.

Yes, Indiana does not allow US/State route duplication.  IN 35 was renumbered to IN 135 when US 35 was introduced into Indiana.  IN 6 coincidentally was the route that US 6 took through the state.

Duplication of Interstate/State routes is allowed.  64, 69, and 70 all exist on both state routes and interstates. 
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PHLBOS

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Quote from: webny99 on January 29, 2020, 09:36:18 PMNow I'm thinking, are there any states that allow duplication of US and state routes?
MA 3 coexists w/US 3, although the former is actually a southern continuation of the latter and the mile markers indicate that US/MA 3 as one continuous route.  See other threads for the whats and whys of such.

In DE, there's both a US 9 and a DE 9 that are in completely different locations in the state.
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mrcmc888

Delaware has no roads of any sort numbered 21, 25, 27, 29, 38, 39, or 43.  DE-22, 30 and 32 both existed for barely two years while DE-28 was decommissioned in the 70s and DE-34 decommissioned last year.

hbelkins

Quote from: wriddle082 on January 29, 2020, 04:54:37 PM
TN 42 once existed from Sparta to US 127 at the KY border, but has since been renumbered to TN 111.  Pretty sure that's the lowest missing number from TN's system.

HB, did you mention how WV does not have a primary highway 1?

Nope, I forgot about there being no WV 1. There are plenty of CR 1's, though.

Last time I was across TN 111, I noticed there are still a few mileage markers that have the "42" designation on them. They're on the four-lane segment south of Livingston.


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hbelkins

Quote from: webny99 on January 29, 2020, 09:36:18 PM
Now I'm thinking, are there any states that allow duplication of US and state routes?

Yes, both Tennessee and Georgia do. There's a photo that floats around on occasion of US 27 and GA 27's intersection.

Tennessee's SR 70 is located reasonably close to its US counterpart. I'm pretty sure that TN 64 and US 64 are within a couple of dozen miles or so of each other, based on memory of traveling in the southern part of middle Tennessee in years past. Other duplications are more distant, such as TN and US 45.

Virginia also has both US and VA 13.

Kentucky has a couple of duplicates, but I only consider one of them (US/KY 79) to be real. US 52 does dip into the state briefly on two separate occasions in Pike County, but the route is maintained by WVDOT and is not officially on Kentucky's books.


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