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Started by Alps, May 22, 2011, 12:10:09 AM

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roadman65

I was noticing that MD 2 ends on a dead end just south of where it diverges from MD 4 in Lusby, MD.  Considering that both MD2 & MD 4 have lengthy overlap, it seems odd that it would end so soon after the two split. 

Why not just truncate either MD 2 or MD 4 and nix the long concurrency?   Or is there a prominent reason for MD 2 to exist so far south?
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jmacswimmer

Quote from: roadman65 on August 31, 2022, 12:43:35 PM
I was noticing that MD 2 ends on a dead end just south of where it diverges from MD 4 in Lusby, MD.  Considering that both MD2 & MD 4 have lengthy overlap, it seems odd that it would end so soon after the two split. 

Why not just truncate either MD 2 or MD 4 and nix the long concurrency?   Or is there a prominent reason for MD 2 to exist so far south?

I think it's just inertia. From brushing up a little on both route's history:

-1927: MD 2 was designated from the start to extend down Solomons Island Road to Solomons, while MD 4 as originally designated continued east from the Hills Bridge over the Patuxent River (along what is now MD 408) to end at MD 2 in Lothian
-1930: Southern Maryland Boulevard (originally MD 416) was built to cut the corner from MD 4 at Hills Bridge to MD 2 in Sunderland
-1960: The MD 416 designation is extended beyond Sunderland into an overlap with MD 2, continuing to both route's southern terminus in Solomons
-1965: MD 4 is realigned onto MD 416, which is decommissioned, while the former MD 4 east of Hills Bridge becomes MD 408, thus first creating the 2-4 overlap that initially ends in both routes terminating in Solomons
-1977: The Governor Thomas Johnson Bridge is completed & MD 4 is extended over it into St. Mary's County

So basically I think it's just the timing of MD 2 being there first combined with the time period of both routes terminating together in Solomons prior to the TJ Bridge being completed. Sure it's technically a pointless overlap now, but the 2-4 corridor is known as the primary route thru Calvert County & I imagine it's well-established amongst locals that MD 2 is the way to Annapolis & Baltimore while MD 4 is the way to DC.

I don't know for sure on this, but I wonder if MD 2 originally extended further into Solomons or if it's always ended around the current location (now the intersection with Lore Road & the ramp from MD 4 NB just beyond the TJ Bridge).
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Mapmikey

MD 2 ended at this Farren Dr location until 11/30/98 - https://goo.gl/maps/LHdef8hqxJ2oP2P8A then turned west on Charles St

MD 749 until that date was a U-shape route using Williams/Carls Way and Farren Dr.

roadman65

https://goo.gl/maps/6mLi5qAVsqRnRXK6A
Also see MDSHA doesn't sign MD 2 at the Solomons Island Road Exit.

However it signs it at the last J Turn before MD 4 crosses  the Patuxtent River.
https://goo.gl/maps/UDnBRkZq1VBPg6wh8
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Mapmikey

Quote from: roadman65 on September 02, 2022, 09:27:09 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/6mLi5qAVsqRnRXK6A
Also see MDSHA doesn't sign MD 2 at the Solomons Island Road Exit.

However it signs it at the last J Turn before MD 4 crosses  the Patuxtent River.
https://goo.gl/maps/UDnBRkZq1VBPg6wh8


MD 2 south is still (now erroneously) signed south of Lore Rd:
https://goo.gl/maps/5Po99FCZyxkR8qYf9


Jmiles32

#2305
Here is the full 2023-2028 Draft Consolidated Transportation Program (CTP) for Maryland and a shorter version listing the projects by county:
https://www.mdot.maryland.gov/OPCP/FY23_FY28_CTP_Full_Draft_Report_Regular_Resolution_for_viewing.pdf
https://www.mdot.maryland.gov/OPCP/CTP_2023/CTP_IIJA_Projects_by_County.pdf

Some of major highlights include:
1. Widening US-15 to six lanes from I-70 to MD-26 in Frederick
2. Building a new I-795 interchange at Dolfield Blvd near Owings Mills
3. Improvements to the I-95/I-495 interchange with Medical Center Drive aka Arena Drive (still not really sure of the exact details for this project)
4. Completing the US-219 widening/relocation to the Pennsylvania State Line in Garrett County
5. MD-90 Planning Study near Ocean City
6. Possible money for I-81 widening near Hagerstown depending on RURAL and INFRA grants 
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epzik8

Went to the north side of Annapolis from Aberdeen for a cookout today, Exit 74 is a complete mess right now, the Old Mountain Road bridge is gone, signs repositioned and tons of dirt moved. Sound barriers between LGF bridge and Old Joppa Road finally going up. ROW for new northbound lanes between 67 and 74 clearly delineated. The southbound approach to the 895 split may have been augmented by new signage since the last time I went down that way.
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bluecountry

Quote from: Jmiles32 on September 05, 2022, 05:19:48 PM
Here is the full 2023-2028 Draft Consolidated Transportation Program (CTP) for Maryland and a shorter version listing the projects by county:
https://www.mdot.maryland.gov/OPCP/FY23_FY28_CTP_Full_Draft_Report_Regular_Resolution_for_viewing.pdf
https://www.mdot.maryland.gov/OPCP/CTP_2023/CTP_IIJA_Projects_by_County.pdf

Some of major highlights include:
1. Widening US-15 to six lanes from I-70 to MD-26 in Frederick
2. Building a new I-795 interchange at Dolfield Blvd near Owings Mills
3. Improvements to the I-95/I-495 interchange with Medical Center Drive aka Arena Drive (still not really sure of the exact details for this project)
4. Completing the US-219 widening/relocation to the Pennsylvania State Line in Garrett County
5. MD-90 Planning Study near Ocean City
6. Possible money for I-81 widening near Hagerstown depending on RURAL and INFRA grants
Would like to have seen:
1.  I-95 from 495 to 695 being 12/14 lanes
2.  I-70 from 270 to 81 being 6 lanes
3.  I-95 Tydings bridge being replaced with 8 lanes and full shoulders

MASTERNC

Quote from: Jmiles32 on September 05, 2022, 05:19:48 PM
Here is the full 2023-2028 Draft Consolidated Transportation Program (CTP) for Maryland and a shorter version listing the projects by county:
https://www.mdot.maryland.gov/OPCP/FY23_FY28_CTP_Full_Draft_Report_Regular_Resolution_for_viewing.pdf
https://www.mdot.maryland.gov/OPCP/CTP_2023/CTP_IIJA_Projects_by_County.pdf

Some of major highlights include:
1. Widening US-15 to six lanes from I-70 to MD-26 in Frederick
2. Building a new I-795 interchange at Dolfield Blvd near Owings Mills
3. Improvements to the I-95/I-495 interchange with Medical Center Drive aka Arena Drive (still not really sure of the exact details for this project)
4. Completing the US-219 widening/relocation to the Pennsylvania State Line in Garrett County
5. MD-90 Planning Study near Ocean City
6. Possible money for I-81 widening near Hagerstown depending on RURAL and INFRA grants 


I would add the rehab of the I-68 viaduct as a new major project

jmacswimmer

Quote from: MASTERNC on September 06, 2022, 12:38:31 PM
Quote from: Jmiles32 on September 05, 2022, 05:19:48 PM
Here is the full 2023-2028 Draft Consolidated Transportation Program (CTP) for Maryland and a shorter version listing the projects by county:
https://www.mdot.maryland.gov/OPCP/FY23_FY28_CTP_Full_Draft_Report_Regular_Resolution_for_viewing.pdf
https://www.mdot.maryland.gov/OPCP/CTP_2023/CTP_IIJA_Projects_by_County.pdf

Some of major highlights include:
1. Widening US-15 to six lanes from I-70 to MD-26 in Frederick
2. Building a new I-795 interchange at Dolfield Blvd near Owings Mills
3. Improvements to the I-95/I-495 interchange with Medical Center Drive aka Arena Drive (still not really sure of the exact details for this project)
4. Completing the US-219 widening/relocation to the Pennsylvania State Line in Garrett County
5. MD-90 Planning Study near Ocean City
6. Possible money for I-81 widening near Hagerstown depending on RURAL and INFRA grants 


I would add the rehab of the I-68 viaduct as a new major project

The replacement of the bridges carrying I-95/495 over MD 4 jumps out at me too - those bridges look pretty rough both crossing over & passing under, and would join the growing lost of recently-replaced beltway bridges in that area. (The bridges over Suitland Rd, Suitland Parkway, & MD 214 were all recently replaced.)

Quote from: bluecountry on September 05, 2022, 08:48:41 PM
Would like to have seen:
1.  I-95 from 495 to 695 being 12/14 lanes
2.  I-70 from 270 to 81 being 6 lanes
3.  I-95 Tydings bridge being replaced with 8 lanes and full shoulders

I recall the Tydings Bridge replacement (along with 8-laning to Delaware) being in the MDTA's long-range master plan for the JFK Highway, but I have no idea what that timeline is (if there even is one). I did see a "Structural Rehabilitation of the Millard E. Tydings Memorial Bridge" in the draft CTP, however, so it'll probably be awhile yet.
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davewiecking

"MD-404 - Denton to MD-14 study" ??? Has to be a typo. MD-16, perhaps?

MASTERNC

Quote from: MASTERNC on August 20, 2022, 07:41:11 PM
Drove through the ETL expansion project. Looks like speed cameras will be coming to 95 south around MD 152, though not sure what they are doing that would warrant them. I did see some median work closer to White Marsh, and there is the overhead bridge work for 152, but that's it.

WORK ZONE SPEED CAMERA ENFORCEMENT BEGINS ON SOUTHBOUND I-95 IN HARFORD COUNTY

bluecountry

Are there any plans to make access to 695 from the 95 express lanes, and re-do the 695/95 interchange south of Baltimore to eliminate the left lane exit?

epzik8

Quote from: bluecountry on September 19, 2022, 07:27:49 AM
Are there any plans to make access to 695 from the 95 express lanes, and re-do the 695/95 interchange south of Baltimore to eliminate the left lane exit?

I can't imagine either of these are priorities for MDTA. Adding ramps to I-695 would defeat one of the main purposes of the express lanes as outlined over a decade ago. As for the southwest Beltway interchange, MDTA has seemed content leaving it as it is for a while now.
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1995hoo

The original design for the rebuilt I-95/I-695 interchange did include express lane ramps. There used to be renderings online, but I don't know if they're still available (I believe at one point one of them had been posted on this forum and I do not remember what to search for to find them). I believe they eliminated those ramps due to the cost.


Edited to add: I found a smaller version of that rendering.

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odditude

i might be misremembering, but i recall there being mention at the time that they would be built during a future phase. the stub ramps on the express lanes on the north end of the interchange, and the footings for the northbound toll gantry here lend some credence to that theory.

TheOneKEA

Quote from: epzik8 on September 19, 2022, 09:07:42 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on September 19, 2022, 07:27:49 AM
Are there any plans to make access to 695 from the 95 express lanes, and re-do the 695/95 interchange south of Baltimore to eliminate the left lane exit?

I can't imagine either of these are priorities for MDTA. Adding ramps to I-695 would defeat one of the main purposes of the express lanes as outlined over a decade ago. As for the southwest Beltway interchange, MDTA has seemed content leaving it as it is for a while now.

The southern I-95/695 interchange is owned by MDOT SHA; the MDTA's ownership/responsibility for I-95 ends at a signposted point near the Baltimore City line just to the north of the interchange. The interchange functions adequately in its current form and isn't likely to need any significant modifications for a while.

Installing the missing ramps from the ETL carriage ways to both directions was always intended to happen much later in the future, based on the commentary I read during the early days of the reconstruction of the interchange. My expectation is that they will be built once the ETLs are fully extended to MD 543 and the MDTA's finances are capable of supporting the construction project.

epzik8

Quote from: TheOneKEA on September 19, 2022, 08:56:19 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on September 19, 2022, 09:07:42 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on September 19, 2022, 07:27:49 AM
Are there any plans to make access to 695 from the 95 express lanes, and re-do the 695/95 interchange south of Baltimore to eliminate the left lane exit?

I can't imagine either of these are priorities for MDTA. Adding ramps to I-695 would defeat one of the main purposes of the express lanes as outlined over a decade ago. As for the southwest Beltway interchange, MDTA has seemed content leaving it as it is for a while now.

The southern I-95/695 interchange is owned by MDOT SHA; the MDTA's ownership/responsibility for I-95 ends at a signposted point near the Baltimore City line just to the north of the interchange. The interchange functions adequately in its current form and isn't likely to need any significant modifications for a while.

Installing the missing ramps from the ETL carriage ways to both directions was always intended to happen much later in the future, based on the commentary I read during the early days of the reconstruction of the interchange. My expectation is that they will be built once the ETLs are fully extended to MD 543 and the MDTA's finances are capable of supporting the construction project.

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bluecountry

Quote from: TheOneKEA on September 19, 2022, 08:56:19 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on September 19, 2022, 09:07:42 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on September 19, 2022, 07:27:49 AM
Are there any plans to make access to 695 from the 95 express lanes, and re-do the 695/95 interchange south of Baltimore to eliminate the left lane exit?

I can't imagine either of these are priorities for MDTA. Adding ramps to I-695 would defeat one of the main purposes of the express lanes as outlined over a decade ago. As for the southwest Beltway interchange, MDTA has seemed content leaving it as it is for a while now.

The southern I-95/695 interchange is owned by MDOT SHA; the MDTA's ownership/responsibility for I-95 ends at a signposted point near the Baltimore City line just to the north of the interchange. The interchange functions adequately in its current form and isn't likely to need any significant modifications for a while.

Installing the missing ramps from the ETL carriage ways to both directions was always intended to happen much later in the future, based on the commentary I read during the early days of the reconstruction of the interchange. My expectation is that they will be built once the ETLs are fully extended to MD 543 and the MDTA's finances are capable of supporting the construction project.

Yea I was gonna say you can see on 95 at 695 N of Baltimore how there appears to be ghost ramps, of course maybe this is just the reincarnation of the I-70 ramp off I-95 in Baltimore!

I disagree about 695/95 south of Baltimore, at the very least, the exit from NB 95 to NB 695 needs a major redo.

jmacswimmer

Quote from: bluecountry on September 29, 2022, 06:55:34 PM
Quote from: TheOneKEA on September 19, 2022, 08:56:19 PM
The southern I-95/695 interchange is owned by MDOT SHA; the MDTA's ownership/responsibility for I-95 ends at a signposted point near the Baltimore City line just to the north of the interchange. The interchange functions adequately in its current form and isn't likely to need any significant modifications for a while.
I disagree about 695/95 south of Baltimore, at the very least, the exit from NB 95 to NB 695 needs a major redo.

I think the bigger issue there is 695 immediately northwest of the interchange - the left-exit certainly isn't ideal, but that ramp only becomes congested because of the spill-back from 695 dropping from 6 to 4 lanes exiting the interchange. I've had more than a few nerve-wracking moments at rush-hour where the left-lane of 95 NB is crawling approaching that ramp while the other 3 lanes are flying by full-speed.

The ramp from 695 SB/EB to 95 NB, meanwhile...very similar to the 70 EB-695 NB situation where bridge constraints force the ramp to drop from 2 lanes to 1 halfway thru, whereas the reverse movement is fully 2 lanes.
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ixnay

#2321
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 16, 2022, 06:48:30 PM
Looks like the I-95 Belivdere Road interchange is starting construction

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/hogan-celebrates-start-of-construction-on-85-million-interchange-in-cecil-county/

If https://tinyurl.com/45z69rhe is any indication, that is going to be one heck of a weave zone between the Chesapeake House and the new interchange and vice versa.

But at least it'll benefit Amazon workers at the Smile's warehouse on Rt. 40.
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davewiecking

Quote from: ixnay on October 16, 2022, 08:02:12 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 16, 2022, 06:48:30 PM
Looks like the I-95 Belivdere Road interchange is starting construction

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/hogan-celebrates-start-of-construction-on-85-million-interchange-in-cecil-county/

If https://tinyurl.com/45z69rhe is any indication, that is going to be one heck of a weave zone between the Chesapeake House and the new interchange and vice versa.

But at least it'll benefit Amazon workers at the Smile's warehouse on Rt. 40.

I agree on the weave issues. Found a tweet from MDoT, and asked about that. Interchange is a parclo.

famartin

Quote from: davewiecking on October 16, 2022, 08:12:43 PM
Quote from: ixnay on October 16, 2022, 08:02:12 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 16, 2022, 06:48:30 PM
Looks like the I-95 Belivdere Road interchange is starting construction

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/hogan-celebrates-start-of-construction-on-85-million-interchange-in-cecil-county/

If https://tinyurl.com/45z69rhe is any indication, that is going to be one heck of a weave zone between the Chesapeake House and the new interchange and vice versa.

But at least it'll benefit Amazon workers at the Smile's warehouse on Rt. 40.

I agree on the weave issues. Found a tweet from MDoT, and asked about that. Interchange is a parclo.

Maybe not actually... I imagine that little traffic that is exiting/entering at the new interchange is going to want to use the service area, and vice versa.

ixnay

Quote from: famartin on October 16, 2022, 09:34:06 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on October 16, 2022, 08:12:43 PM
Quote from: ixnay on October 16, 2022, 08:02:12 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on October 16, 2022, 06:48:30 PM
Looks like the I-95 Belivdere Road interchange is starting construction

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/hogan-celebrates-start-of-construction-on-85-million-interchange-in-cecil-county/

If https://tinyurl.com/45z69rhe is any indication, that is going to be one heck of a weave zone between the Chesapeake House and the new interchange and vice versa.

But at least it'll benefit Amazon workers at the Smile's warehouse on Rt. 40.

I agree on the weave issues. Found a tweet from MDoT, and asked about that. Interchange is a parclo.

Maybe not actually... I imagine that little traffic that is exiting/entering at the new interchange is going to want to use the service area, and vice versa.

Certainly not daily commuters, unless they have time to raid the brochure racks.  :)
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