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Could possibly be the first roadmeet I host. It can't be June because I plan on traveling to Montreal or the Philippines (depends on money). However, I feel like that Pittsburgh is long overdue. So, let's have a meet on it. Currently I'm thinking of ideas - if somebody has suggestions I can list them here.

Possible highlights:
Southern Beltway (should be completed around this time)
PA 28 freeway conversion
PA 43 construction (not sure if that's started yet)

If time permits, use the Duquesne Incline/drive up McArdle Roadway and take photos atop Mount Washington (possible meet photo?)

Possible lunch place: TBD, because the chances of finding an empty parking space in a downtown area is one in a trillion
Possible pre-meet idea: PA 837/PA 885 interchange

Finally! Long overdue indeed. Pick a lunch location that can accommodate a crowd. Get feedback from those who have attended Pittsburgh meets before so you're not duplicating. In the end, make it yours.

Quote from: Alps on August 30, 2018, 06:49:57 PM
Finally! Long overdue indeed. Pick a lunch location that can accommodate a crowd. Get feedback from those who have attended Pittsburgh meets before so you're not duplicating. In the end, make it yours.

I'm not even sure if there's ever been a Pittsburgh meet. If there has it's probably been over 10 years at this point.

I suppose I could throw a few more ideas on. If any locals have any better ideas feel free to add them.

Quote from: noelbotevera on August 30, 2018, 06:57:29 PM
I'm not even sure if there's ever been a Pittsburgh meet. If there has it's probably been over 10 years at this point.

There were many held between 1999 and 2006, with the latter being the first multi-day national meet.  The last SWPA Meet was held in December 2010 but it was not focused on Pittsburgh.

The reason there hasn't been a meet in a long time is because we covered a lot in those years.  For example, everything on your list except for the 28 upgrade and the 837/885 interchange has been covered during previous meets.

Quote from: noelbotevera on August 30, 2018, 06:57:29 PMI suppose I could throw a few more ideas on. If any locals have any better ideas feel free to add them.

I can understand wanting to have lunch at the original Primanti Brothers, but parking in the Strip District is scarce on weekdays and pretty much non-existant on weekends.  Meets have been held at the Pleasant Hills and North Versailles locations because people could leave their cars there during the tour without having to pay for parking.  Out of all of the meets, only one prior to the national meet was held inside the city limits due to the parking situation.

Turnpike 576 makes for a good centerpiece of a meet, which it has been in previous years along with Turnpike 43.  Laurel Hill Tunnel is on the Westmoreland County/Somerset County line and is an hour and change from downtown Pittsburgh.

Quote from: PAHighways on August 30, 2018, 07:41:59 PM

Quote from: noelbotevera on August 30, 2018, 06:57:29 PM
I'm not even sure if there's ever been a Pittsburgh meet. If there has it's probably been over 10 years at this point.

There were many held between 1999 and 2006, with the latter being the first multi-day national meet.  The last SWPA Meet was held in December 2010 but it was not focused on Pittsburgh.

The reason there hasn't been a meet in a long time is because we covered a lot in those years.  For example, everything on your list except for the 28 upgrade and the 837/885 interchange has been covered during previous meets.

Quote from: noelbotevera on August 30, 2018, 06:57:29 PMI suppose I could throw a few more ideas on. If any locals have any better ideas feel free to add them.

I can understand wanting to have lunch at the original Primanti Brothers, but parking in the Strip District is scarce on weekdays and pretty much non-existant on weekends.  Meets have been held at the Pleasant Hills and North Versailles locations because people could leave their cars there during the tour without having to pay for parking.  Out of all of the meets, only one prior to the national meet was held inside the city limits due to the parking situation.

Turnpike 576 makes for a good centerpiece of a meet, which it has been in previous years along with Turnpike 43.  Laurel Hill Tunnel is on the Westmoreland County/Somerset County line and is an hour and change from downtown Pittsburgh.

I guess choosing a restaurant downtown was a poor choice. Does Pittsburgh build parking garages around the city or no? I know that major subway stations provide parking (like North Side), but I'm not sure of anywhere else.

Okay, the Laurel Hill Tunnel was a little outrageous.

But thanks for the suggestions. I wasn't aware of any Pittsburgh meets, so I assumed that people had forgotten about it.

Quote from: noelbotevera on August 30, 2018, 07:55:10 PM
But thanks for the suggestions. I wasn't aware of any Pittsburgh meets, so I assumed that people had forgotten about it.

Pittsburgh is just a figment of your imagination. It's never existed.

Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on August 30, 2018, 09:45:31 PM

Quote from: noelbotevera on August 30, 2018, 07:55:10 PM
But thanks for the suggestions. I wasn't aware of any Pittsburgh meets, so I assumed that people had forgotten about it.

Pittsburgh is just a figment of your imagination. It's never existed.

Huh. Maybe I need to update my reality simulation to the newest version.

Pittsburgh is the nearest metro area in which I haven't done at least some degree of exploring.
I've driven through the area on I-79, but I don't think that counts.

^ I think it counts in the same way that buzzing by on the Thruway counts as "exploring"  Rochester.

But as to the concept of a Pittsburgh meet–yes, I'd definitely be on board!

Quote from: noelbotevera on August 30, 2018, 06:57:29 PM

Quote from: Alps on August 30, 2018, 06:49:57 PM
Finally! Long overdue indeed. Pick a lunch location that can accommodate a crowd. Get feedback from those who have attended Pittsburgh meets before so you're not duplicating. In the end, make it yours.

I'm not even sure if there's ever been a Pittsburgh meet. If there has it's probably been over 10 years at this point.

I suppose I could throw a few more ideas on. If any locals have any better ideas feel free to add them.

Don't worry too much about some duplication.  It's been quite some time since the last Pittsburgh meet, and some of us (me included) have never been to one there.

A Pittsburgh meet might be doable for me; but again & as usual, such would be subject to my availability.

I'm interested.  I haven't been to Pittsburgh yet, so this will be new for me.  Also, it'll be close enough that I can Ohio to the list of states that I've visited.

Quote from: briantroutman on August 31, 2018, 02:50:08 PM
^ I think it counts in the same way that buzzing by on the Thruway counts as "exploring"  Rochester.

Read: not at all. You get just the fringes of suburbia in both cases. And yes, I agree with your assessment.

I've done two meets in little Pikeville, Ky., so given the amount of time between the last Pittsburgh meet and the proposed one, there shouldn't be any issues.

Just learned that there are state name I-279 shields on Camp Home Road north of the city. Whether or not that fits on the tour I can't say, but all should be aware of it to make sure they see it. Hopefully still around in a year!

Quote from: Alps on September 01, 2018, 12:10:32 AM
Just learned that there are state name I-279 shields on Camp Home Road north of the city. Whether or not that fits on the tour I can't say, but all should be aware of it to make sure they see it. Hopefully still around in a year!

There's quite a few around still if you know where to look.

Neville Island is full of state-named I-79 markers.

Well, I am interested but the month of July may be a bad month for me to go to any meet, I am aiming for my 6th road trip to the southwest region of the USA in July, as for August that might be more doable for me, will keep it on the back of my mind.

For a long time I've been hoping that someone would host another Pittsburgh meet because I never had a chance to attend any of the previous Pittsburgh meets that took place between 1999 and 2010. This would give me a very good reason to finally explore the Pittsburgh area which is something I've been wanting to do for a while.

The only thing is... I know that Jason Ilyes was talking about hosting a meet in Albuquerque next summer which is something else I'm interested in. If the Pittsburgh meet is timed far-enough apart from the Albuquerque meet and I don't have any other travel planned for that time frame, I would very much like to attend.

I guess I'll add a poll for several dates in July and August. Later I'll write up a basic idea for an itinerary, which I can add to if I get more ideas.

EDIT: I messed up when I created the poll. Turns out you can't change your vote, so whoops...

Quote from: noelbotevera on September 02, 2018, 12:15:16 AM
EDIT: I messed up when I created the poll. Turns out you can't change your vote, so whoops...

Fixed for ya. ;)

Might be a little early to start picking dates.  I can tell you that I won't be available around the 4th of July, the family picnic, or Labor Day.  Trouble is, I won't have any idea when the family picnic will be until late March, and I probably won't have a specific date until at least Memorial Day.

I voted for 8/10 and /17, they would be the best dates that would work for me, as for Albuquerque, I am still considering hosting a meet there but I won't start planning until after the first of 2019, by then I will have the other event I am attending in Albuquerque secured.

SWPA still mocks me so I will make an effort to attend.  It's too early to say if any of those dates will work, but it will be all the more better if it's the first weekend in August since the Mets are also in town that weekend.

Just sayin' ;)

Quote from: vdeane on September 02, 2018, 12:28:06 PMMight be a little early to start picking dates.

Agree.  However, right off the bat, both July 13 & Sept. 1 are automatic nos for me.

Otherwise & in general, Saturdays are more doable for me than Sundays.

Yeah, WAY too early for me to choose a date. Only thing I can say is that end of July or the first weekend of August do NOT work.

I don't think Sundays tend to work well for most people. I think 99 percent of the road meets I've attended have taken place on Saturdays.

Quote from: A.J. Bertin on September 07, 2018, 11:06:59 AM
I don't think Sundays tend to work well for most people. I think 99 percent of the road meets I've attended have taken place on Saturdays.

Some meets have either spilled over into Sundays or been a two-parter of sorts; the last Baltimore/Maryland Eastern Shore meet (circa 2015) being one of latter.

The Pulaski Skyway mini-meet was also on a Sunday, but yeah, they're not common.

Quote from: noelbotevera on August 30, 2018, 07:55:10 PMI guess choosing a restaurant downtown was a poor choice. Does Pittsburgh build parking garages around the city or no? I know that major subway stations provide parking (like North Side), but I'm not sure of anywhere else.

There are parking garages all around, but why pay for parking when you don't need to in the suburbs.

Quote from: noelbotevera on August 30, 2018, 07:55:10 PMI wasn't aware of any Pittsburgh meets, so I assumed that people had forgotten about it.

They were even the subject of a Post-Gazette (http://old.post-gazette.com/pg/05240/560775.stm) article in 2005.

I won't be able to attend because I work every weekend from mid-May until November, which is one reason there hasn't been a meet in the area since 2010.

Just going to throw this out there for food, but a new Dave & Buster's will be opening in the Spring in the North Hills in case it's needed as a fall back food place.

D&B can be loud, but sometimes they have rooms that can be reserved.

Okay, as a temporary location for lunch, I picked the Primanti Bros in Homestead. It's just down the road from Kennywood, if anybody recognizes those places.

Also, I know I probably shouldn't be picking dates this far off, but at the very least everybody has an idea of when and when they can't attend. Unless something unexpected happens.

Quote from: noelbotevera on September 13, 2018, 11:54:49 PM
Okay, as a temporary location for lunch, I picked the Primanti Bros in Homestead. It's just down the road from Kennywood, if anybody recognizes those places.

Also, I know I probably shouldn't be picking dates this far off, but at the very least everybody has an idea of when and when they can't attend. Unless something unexpected happens.

This is all good. It's on our radar, you have a plan in place. As we get closer (Feb/March), put out a poll for specific dates based on the results here - do something like the top 4 Saturdays.

Quote from: Alps on September 14, 2018, 12:04:56 AM

Quote from: noelbotevera on September 13, 2018, 11:54:49 PM
Okay, as a temporary location for lunch, I picked the Primanti Bros in Homestead. It's just down the road from Kennywood, if anybody recognizes those places.

Also, I know I probably shouldn't be picking dates this far off, but at the very least everybody has an idea of when and when they can't attend. Unless something unexpected happens.

This is all good. It's on our radar, you have a plan in place. As we get closer (Feb/March), put out a poll for specific dates based on the results here - do something like the top 4 Saturdays.

I agree with Steve. It's your meet; you can plan it out as far in advance or as close in advance as you want. I'm already planning my Providence "city meet" and created a poll for dates about a month and a half ago (for April or May 2019). One of my poll options was "it's way too early for me to decide". LOL

I also like Steve's idea of having you narrow your poll down to the top, say, 4 choices around February or March and create another poll with only those top dates in it.

I hate to throw cold water on this...

But a 15 or 16 year old hosting a meet in a city he doesnt live in is not the best idea.  You already see the miscalculation with Primanti's in the strip and distance and time it would take to travel from one location to another.

He's best off trying to align with Jeff or someone else in Pittsburgh that has been or hosted a meet.  There are a lot of nuances to the city and surrounding area that I honestly wouldn't trust someone that is inexperienced in hosting a meet let alone driving.

The reason why we had basically two meets a year in Pittsburgh is because of the regional nature of the area.  Plus, it wasnt anout seeing everything you can in an area in one day then.  Our rule of thumb was what was or interest to the people that lived there and if some one wanted to drive 400 miles to come to it more power to them.

Quote from: noelbotevera on August 30, 2018, 02:13:08 PM
Could possibly be the first roadmeet I host. It can't be June because I plan on traveling to Montreal or the Philippines (depends on money). However, I feel like that Pittsburgh is long overdue. So, let's have a meet on it. Currently I'm thinking of ideas - if somebody has suggestions I can list them here.

Possible highlights:
Southern Beltway (should be completed around this time)
PA 28 freeway conversion
PA 43 construction (not sure if that's started yet)

If time permits, use the Duquesne Incline/drive up McArdle Roadway and take photos atop Mount Washington (possible meet photo?)

Possible lunch place: TBD, because the chances of finding an empty parking space in a downtown area is one in a trillion
Possible pre-meet idea: PA 837/PA 885 interchange

Pittsburgh was home to the first organized roadmeet in February 1999. It was in Greensburg and we checked out the Lincoln Highway Museum.  We then had a fall one that same year and just explore some of the oddities in western Allegheny county among other things.

As for your suggestions, 43 hasn't started yet and I dont think it will for what at least a decade, the southern beltway will not be open for another two years.  However, there will be a lot of construction going on.

If you are going to do the Southern Beltway, do not have the meet near Kennywood.  Itll take at least 45 minutes to an hour to get to the airport.  You are better off doing something in Moon, Robinson township for anything southern beltway related.

Here's a suggested itinerary I gave when the last hullabaloo about someone please do a Pittsburgh meet came up.

Here's how you'd have the meet.

Theme 576 construction.
Location either at Robinson Town Centre or Moon near Robert Morris - I'm partial to Wings Suds and Spuds but that's because I spent many of hours there in college.

Leave meet and head out to the old airport via Business 376 - can check some of the roads abandoned from the old airport.  Keep going north to where some of the ramp stubs are at north of the airport at the north/west jct of 376 and business 376.

Head east on 376 to existing 576 take to it ends on 22. Take various roads between 22 and 79 checking out construction with stops. Take 79 north to Pa 50 maybe check out old PA 50 see if anything is good there.  Head north on 978 to old 22/30 stubenville pike and take east to robinson town Centre and back to meet site or elsewhere.

Honestly, if I knew what our plans were for the Christmas holidays (we are going to disney in december and may not go up north) I would do an old style SWPA Winter Meet we used to have and have it focused on the Southern Beltway.

But I highly doubt I will.

My suggestion is read up on the area.  Go to Pittsburgh about two or three times before this meet so you know what's going on, the limitations, and places to stop.  If not, unless someone local is attending or someone like Steve (who has been to Pittsburgh enough to know the city well) jumps in during the meet to save the day, it could be a recipe for disaster.

Thankfully, enough of us have experience with Pittsburgh to step in at the last minute and get something done. There are multiple likely attendees who could throw something together with minimal dedicated scouting.

Heck, the one meet I hosted had little to no scouting. I did one dry run to confirm times and that was it. The meet I'm hosting in October will be a similar story. There are a few people who could do that with Pittsburgh.

Quote from: Rothman on September 13, 2018, 11:04:56 PMD&B can be loud, but sometimes they have rooms that can be reserved.

Ah yes, the Kiddie Casino.  Just insert a vacuum hose to one's wallet & flip on the switch.  :-D

Quote from: CanesFan27 on September 14, 2018, 08:19:03 AM
I hate to throw cold water on this...

But a 15 or 16 year old hosting a meet in a city he doesn't live in is not the best idea.

I was tempted to chime in on that earlier but held back.  However, you're right on that point.

Quote from: cl94 on September 14, 2018, 11:15:29 AMI did one dry run to confirm times and that was it.  The meet I'm hosting in October will be a similar story.

There in lies the difference.  You were able to drive out there, on your own & do dry runs.  At 15 (maybe going on 16) by the time the meet is scheduled to take place, the OP is & will not be able to even do that... at least not on his own.

Quote from: cl94 on September 14, 2018, 11:15:29 AMThere are a few people who could do that with Pittsburgh.

Given that the OP's a minor, let alone unfamiliar with the meet area; I would change the word could in your sentence to should.

This is why I would never want to host a meet anywhere unless I was intimately familiar with the area, or could scout often enough to make plans.

And even then, things can change between your last scouting trip and the meet date. I've had that happen on more than one occasion, and was able to work around it.

I've been to meets that were poorly planned -- restaurants not open for lunch, making routing decisions on the fly, corralling everyone into a late-evening meal at the end of the tour when some of us were tired and wanted to go back to our rooms -- and they aren't as enjoyable.

Adam mentioned the possibility of an old-style Christmastime meet. Since Jeff doesn't work weekends in that time of year, maybe he might want to put something together, being that he's more or less the resident expert.

The western Kentucky meet I did last fall was a bit of an exception, because I was familiar with the area and knew that the timing was a close call, but I'd never consider hosting a meet that was more than a couple of hours or so away from home. Knoxville, Louisville and Cincinnati are all about equidistant from me, slightly less than three hours, but I don't know enough about them to try to put something together.

Quote from: hbelkins on September 14, 2018, 01:36:34 PM
And even then, things can change between your last scouting trip and the meet date. I've had that happen on more than one occasion, and was able to work around it.

This happens almost every time there's a major construction project the meet is focused on. Have a backup plan and communicate it. When the host has a backup plan and communicates it, it isn't a problem.

QuoteI've been to meets that were poorly planned -- restaurants not open for lunch, making routing decisions on the fly

THAT is one of my pet peeves. It works if you only have 1-2 cars. It does NOT work if you have a convoy. Most meets are good with that, but I've been to a couple that weren't and they fell apart. Keep to the printed directions unless it is absolutely necessary to deviate. It's easy enough to check restaurant hours with the internet. If it's a place that isn't open for breakfast, around opening is generally a good time to schedule for - faster service with a large group.

QuoteAdam mentioned the possibility of an old-style Christmastime meet. Since Jeff doesn't work weekends in that time of year, maybe he might want to put something together, being that he's more or less the resident expert.

I'd definitely be down for that. Being as I'm already traveling to Buffalo for Christmas, this would significantly reduce the amount of traveling I need to do for a Pittsburgh meet (effectively only 4-5 hours each way instead of a full day). The Delaware meet last year was basically a Christmastime meet and it worked quite well, as it fell in the middle of a long stretch without any meets.

Quote from: hbelkins on September 14, 2018, 01:36:34 PM
This is why I would never want to host a meet anywhere unless I was intimately familiar with the area, or could scout often enough to make plans.

And even then, things can change between your last scouting trip and the meet date. I've had that happen on more than one occasion, and was able to work around it.

I've been to meets that were poorly planned -- restaurants not open for lunch, making routing decisions on the fly, corralling everyone into a late-evening meal at the end of the tour when some of us were tired and wanted to go back to our rooms -- and they aren't as enjoyable.

Adam mentioned the possibility of an old-style Christmastime meet. Since Jeff doesn't work weekends in that time of year, maybe he might want to put something together, being that he's more or less the resident expert.

The western Kentucky meet I did last fall was a bit of an exception, because I was familiar with the area and knew that the timing was a close call, but I'd never consider hosting a meet that was more than a couple of hours or so away from home. Knoxville, Louisville and Cincinnati are all about equidistant from me, slightly less than three hours, but I don't know enough about them to try to put something together.

That can happen even if the meet organizer is very familiar with the area.  St. Louis 2014 comes to mind...

Quote from: Brandon on September 14, 2018, 02:44:04 PM
That can happen even if the meet organizer is very familiar with the area.  St. Louis 2014 comes to mind...

I've been told that was the meet to end all meets, though.  :-D

Quote from: cl94 on September 14, 2018, 02:50:33 PM

Quote from: Brandon on September 14, 2018, 02:44:04 PM
That can happen even if the meet organizer is very familiar with the area.  St. Louis 2014 comes to mind...

I've been told that was the meet to end all meets, though.  :-D

I think it gets that reputation precisely because it was such a cluster foxtrot.

There were four meets in close proximity to each other during that time. I could pick two of them, and picked Hampton Roads (enjoyable drive) and Nashville (closest to home.) Given the disorganization at STL, I'm glad I didn't go. I'd have been pulling my hair out.

Quote from: cl94 on September 14, 2018, 02:50:33 PM

Quote from: Brandon on September 14, 2018, 02:44:04 PM
That can happen even if the meet organizer is very familiar with the area.  St. Louis 2014 comes to mind...

I've been told that was the meet to end all meets, though.  :-D

Oh, fuck, was it ever.  :-D
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10674.0

Honestly, I'd be fine if somebody else hosted. I'm probably not the best choice, so if anyone wants I can let them host.

Quote from: noelbotevera on September 14, 2018, 05:35:22 PM
Honestly, I'd be fine if somebody else hosted. I'm probably not the best choice, so if anyone wants I can let them host.

You're the only one who's even trying! I am happy to share my knowledge of hosting and guide you through the process. You've already picked the restaurant. That's the hard part. The easy part is the route. Put together what you want to see and I can go over with you how long it will take and offer suggestions. I'm really excited for this.

Quote from: noelbotevera on September 14, 2018, 05:35:22 PM
Honestly, I'd be fine if somebody else hosted. I'm probably not the best choice, so if anyone wants I can let them host.

I would highly encourage you to not allow other people who say you're too young to host a meet prevent you from moving ahead with it! You are the one who came up with this idea and you should pursue it. Seriously. If others don't want to go to your meet because they feel you're too young to host it, that's on them... it's not on you. I am personally excited about the idea of a Pittsburgh meet next summer and think you should run with this idea. Steve is offering to help. He's really good at hosting meets, so I would encourage you to take him up on his offer. :)

If you don't host this meet, no one else will.

Even though there may have been a tradition in the past for a Pittsburgh meet to take place in the winter, times are different now and meets have broader appeal than they used to. A winter meet almost causes people who don't live close to Pittsburgh to feel left out because of the distance and the potential for bad weather getting to/from this meet. If someone wants to host a smaller-scale, exclusive meet in Pittsburgh, that's fine... just please don't burst this kid's bubble for a summer 2019 meet.

In regards to winter, there were a lot of attendees at Alex's Delaware meet last December despite snow the day before.  As long as the weather is fine, a meet in PA may be doable in cold weather.  However, I'd make sure not to do one in Erie for sure.

Quote from: 74/171FAN on September 15, 2018, 01:51:50 PM
In regards to winter, there were a lot of attendees at Alex's Delaware meet last December despite snow the day before.

If I were to make a guess, I'd say that most of the attendees probably didn't have to drive too far to get there. In other words, Alex was probably only intending it to be for locals (or semi-locals).

Quote from: 74/171FAN on September 15, 2018, 01:51:50 PM
As long as the weather is fine, a meet in PA may be doable in cold weather.

The kicker is... "as long as the weather is fine". But the problem is, for attendees driving from long distance, it takes longer time to plan, make hotel reservations, request time off work, etc. All those plans can be made, but if the weather is not fine and it's not advisable to drive long distance, all those plans have to be cancelled which is a pain.

None of this is really the point. The guy who is intending to host this meet is looking at July/August... not December.

Okay, so far I might have an idea of a route.

-Tour the ramps of the interchange; then take pictures of the interchange - there's some businesses near Baldwin Road (here (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.3899709,-79.9330467,653m/data=!3m1!1e3)) that should give a good view.

-Drive to Primantis in Homestead via PA 837

-Lunch; park our cars here

-After lunch, drive to PA 28, via I-376/I-579 - I think there's still old signs, and there's some rotatable signs on I-376

-Tour PA 28 reconstruction; u-turn at the 40th Street Bridge by exit 3A

-Drive PA 28 south back to I-376 via I-279

-Take I-376 west to PA 576; clinch it

-If time permits, maybe take a second look at the abandoned ramps in Pittsburgh International, or at the very least clinch Business I-376

-If PA 576 isn't open, tour construction along Candor Road - if it is, clinch PA 576 to I-79

-Break off. For those who still have cars, post meet dinner somewhere along I-79, or if time permits, check out the Duquesne Incline and dinner in Pittsburgh - for those who don't, drive back to Homestead

Quote from: noelbotevera on September 15, 2018, 04:09:45 PM
Okay, so far I might have an idea of a route.

-Tour the ramps of the interchange; then take pictures of the interchange - there's some businesses near Baldwin Road (here (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.3899709,-79.9330467,653m/data=!3m1!1e3)) that should give a good view.

-Drive to Primantis in Homestead via PA 837

-Lunch; park our cars here

-After lunch, drive to PA 28, via I-376/I-579 - I think there's still old signs, and there's some rotatable signs on I-376

-Tour PA 28 reconstruction; u-turn at the 40th Street Bridge by exit 3A

-Drive PA 28 south back to I-376 via I-279

-Take I-376 west to PA 576; clinch it

-If time permits, maybe take a second look at the abandoned ramps in Pittsburgh International, or at the very least clinch Business I-376

-If PA 576 isn't open, tour construction along Candor Road - if it is, clinch PA 576 to I-79

-Break off. For those who still have cars, post meet dinner somewhere along I-79, or if time permits, check out the Duquesne Incline and dinner in Pittsburgh - for those who don't, drive back to Homestead

All of this sounds great!!

The most recent news of the Southern Beltway seems to indicate it won't open until late 2020.

Quote from: Roadsguy on September 15, 2018, 05:37:11 PM
The most recent news of the Southern Beltway seems to indicate it won't open until late 2020.

Good. Open roads are boring. Construction is cool.

Quote from: A.J. Bertin on September 15, 2018, 02:04:14 PM

Quote from: 74/171FAN on September 15, 2018, 01:51:50 PM
In regards to winter, there were a lot of attendees at Alex's Delaware meet last December despite snow the day before.

If I were to make a guess, I'd say that most of the attendees probably didn't have to drive too far to get there. In other words, Alex was probably only intending it to be for locals (or semi-locals).

Quote from: 74/171FAN on September 15, 2018, 01:51:50 PM
As long as the weather is fine, a meet in PA may be doable in cold weather.

The kicker is... "as long as the weather is fine". But the problem is, for attendees driving from long distance, it takes longer time to plan, make hotel reservations, request time off work, etc. All those plans can be made, but if the weather is not fine and it's not advisable to drive long distance, all those plans have to be cancelled which is a pain.

None of this is really the point. The guy who is intending to host this meet is looking at July/August... not December.

I understand that.  I just wanted to note that it has been done successfully as of recent.  Oddly enough, I believe HB and cl94 were there so it was more than just locals.

Having stated that, it is definitely outside the norm.

Quote from: A.J. Bertin on September 15, 2018, 02:04:14 PMIf I were to make a guess, I'd say that most of the attendees probably didn't have to drive too far to get there. In other words, Alex was probably only intending it to be for locals (or semi-locals).

The holiday time, or XMAS SWPA, meets were mainly for locals to take a break and get together.  They were never a big production like a Spring or Summer meet; however, if people outside of Pennsylvania wanted to come, and they have, great, more the merrier.

Quote from: A.J. Bertin on September 15, 2018, 02:04:14 PMThe kicker is... "as long as the weather is fine". But the problem is, for attendees driving from long distance, it takes longer time to plan, make hotel reservations, request time off work, etc. All those plans can be made, but if the weather is not fine and it's not advisable to drive long distance, all those plans have to be cancelled which is a pain.

The nasty winter weather doesn't hit Pennsylvania until after the first of the year, case in point, the January 22, 2016 storm that stranded people on the Turnpike.  The only meet that was almost affected was the 2010 XMAS SWPA, but fortunately the storm didn't hit that day.  Weather can affect meets any time of the year, such as the 2004 Mid-State Meet which took place the day after the remnants of Hurricane Ivan plowed through Pennsylvania.

Quote from: A.J. Bertin on September 15, 2018, 02:04:14 PMNone of this is really the point. The guy who is intending to host this meet is looking at July/August... not December.

And that is why I will not be at the meet.  For me, December is great because we don't have any holiday event at my park, but July and August are our "bread and butter" months.

Quote from: noelbotevera on September 15, 2018, 04:09:45 PM
Okay, so far I might have an idea of a route.

-Tour the ramps of the interchange; then take pictures of the interchange - there's some businesses near Baldwin Road (here (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.3899709,-79.9330467,653m/data=!3m1!1e3)) that should give a good view.

-Drive to Primantis in Homestead via PA 837

-Lunch; park our cars here

-After lunch, drive to PA 28, via I-376/I-579 - I think there's still old signs, and there's some rotatable signs on I-376

-Tour PA 28 reconstruction; u-turn at the 40th Street Bridge by exit 3A

-Drive PA 28 south back to I-376 via I-279

-Take I-376 west to PA 576; clinch it

-If time permits, maybe take a second look at the abandoned ramps in Pittsburgh International, or at the very least clinch Business I-376

-If PA 576 isn't open, tour construction along Candor Road - if it is, clinch PA 576 to I-79

-Break off. For those who still have cars, post meet dinner somewhere along I-79, or if time permits, check out the Duquesne Incline and dinner in Pittsburgh - for those who don't, drive back to Homestead

The problem here is that most of the stuff you want to visit is well away from the lunch place.  Traffic can be a major issue here in Pittsburgh, especially when you have to factor in the tunnels.  That can be the biggest nightmare, especially trying to get from I-279 onto I-376 to access the Fort Pitt Tunnel.  If you aren't careful, most of the time, you'll be forced off onto West Carson Street.  4 lanes into 2 mainline lanes in an insanely short distance has never been good there.  Can count on only 1 hand how many times the family has never been forced to fight our way over to keep on the Parkway.

Also, with that 'tour' of PA-28, you can't easily 'U-Turn' @ 3A unless you cross the 40th Street Bridge completely.  Best thing there is to go to 3B and U-Turn there, as that allows the left turn @ a traffic light to go back towards SB PA-28, and a lot less trouble as the 40th Street/Butler Street intersection backs up BAD during the day.

Also, PA Turnpike 576 is now cashless (https://www.paturnpike.com/Press/2018/20180529141327.htm).  So, you need to remember to have either an EZ-Pass or you'll be billed in the mail at a higher rate.  At least now there's 2 'free' segments along it do to a brand new 'mainline' toll location.

1 last thing, leaving the cars @ Homestead might not be a great idea, been hearing of a lot of break-ins in that area recently.  Don't want the meet to end on a sour note if somebody's windows are smashed in and have stuff stolen.

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 16, 2018, 03:37:18 AM

Quote from: noelbotevera on September 15, 2018, 04:09:45 PM
Okay, so far I might have an idea of a route.

-Tour the ramps of the interchange; then take pictures of the interchange - there's some businesses near Baldwin Road (here (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.3899709,-79.9330467,653m/data=!3m1!1e3)) that should give a good view.

-Drive to Primantis in Homestead via PA 837

-Lunch; park our cars here

-After lunch, drive to PA 28, via I-376/I-579 - I think there's still old signs, and there's some rotatable signs on I-376

-Tour PA 28 reconstruction; u-turn at the 40th Street Bridge by exit 3A

-Drive PA 28 south back to I-376 via I-279

-Take I-376 west to PA 576; clinch it

-If time permits, maybe take a second look at the abandoned ramps in Pittsburgh International, or at the very least clinch Business I-376

-If PA 576 isn't open, tour construction along Candor Road - if it is, clinch PA 576 to I-79

-Break off. For those who still have cars, post meet dinner somewhere along I-79, or if time permits, check out the Duquesne Incline and dinner in Pittsburgh - for those who don't, drive back to Homestead

The problem here is that most of the stuff you want to visit is well away from the lunch place.  Traffic can be a major issue here in Pittsburgh, especially when you have to factor in the tunnels.  That can be the biggest nightmare, especially trying to get from I-279 onto I-376 to access the Fort Pitt Tunnel.  If you aren't careful, most of the time, you'll be forced off onto West Carson Street.  4 lanes into 2 mainline lanes in an insanely short distance has never been good there.  Can count on only 1 hand how many times the family has never been forced to fight our way over to keep on the Parkway.

Also, with that 'tour' of PA-28, you can't easily 'U-Turn' @ 3A unless you cross the 40th Street Bridge completely.  Best thing there is to go to 3B and U-Turn there, as that allows the left turn @ a traffic light to go back towards SB PA-28, and a lot less trouble as the 40th Street/Butler Street intersection backs up BAD during the day.

Also, PA Turnpike 576 is now cashless (https://www.paturnpike.com/Press/2018/20180529141327.htm).  So, you need to remember to have either an EZ-Pass or you'll be billed in the mail at a higher rate.  At least now there's 2 'free' segments along it do to a brand new 'mainline' toll location.

1 last thing, leaving the cars @ Homestead might not be a great idea, been hearing of a lot of break-ins in that area recently.  Don't want the meet to end on a sour note if somebody's windows are smashed in and have stuff stolen.

Would you be willing to help him host this meet?

Quote from: A.J. Bertin on September 16, 2018, 07:55:47 AM

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 16, 2018, 03:37:18 AM

Quote from: noelbotevera on September 15, 2018, 04:09:45 PM
Okay, so far I might have an idea of a route.

-Tour the ramps of the interchange; then take pictures of the interchange - there's some businesses near Baldwin Road (here (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.3899709,-79.9330467,653m/data=!3m1!1e3)) that should give a good view.

-Drive to Primantis in Homestead via PA 837

-Lunch; park our cars here

-After lunch, drive to PA 28, via I-376/I-579 - I think there's still old signs, and there's some rotatable signs on I-376

-Tour PA 28 reconstruction; u-turn at the 40th Street Bridge by exit 3A

-Drive PA 28 south back to I-376 via I-279

-Take I-376 west to PA 576; clinch it

-If time permits, maybe take a second look at the abandoned ramps in Pittsburgh International, or at the very least clinch Business I-376

-If PA 576 isn't open, tour construction along Candor Road - if it is, clinch PA 576 to I-79

-Break off. For those who still have cars, post meet dinner somewhere along I-79, or if time permits, check out the Duquesne Incline and dinner in Pittsburgh - for those who don't, drive back to Homestead

The problem here is that most of the stuff you want to visit is well away from the lunch place.  Traffic can be a major issue here in Pittsburgh, especially when you have to factor in the tunnels.  That can be the biggest nightmare, especially trying to get from I-279 onto I-376 to access the Fort Pitt Tunnel.  If you aren't careful, most of the time, you'll be forced off onto West Carson Street.  4 lanes into 2 mainline lanes in an insanely short distance has never been good there.  Can count on only 1 hand how many times the family has never been forced to fight our way over to keep on the Parkway.

Also, with that 'tour' of PA-28, you can't easily 'U-Turn' @ 3A unless you cross the 40th Street Bridge completely.  Best thing there is to go to 3B and U-Turn there, as that allows the left turn @ a traffic light to go back towards SB PA-28, and a lot less trouble as the 40th Street/Butler Street intersection backs up BAD during the day.

Also, PA Turnpike 576 is now cashless (https://www.paturnpike.com/Press/2018/20180529141327.htm).  So, you need to remember to have either an EZ-Pass or you'll be billed in the mail at a higher rate.  At least now there's 2 'free' segments along it do to a brand new 'mainline' toll location.

1 last thing, leaving the cars @ Homestead might not be a great idea, been hearing of a lot of break-ins in that area recently.  Don't want the meet to end on a sour note if somebody's windows are smashed in and have stuff stolen.

Would you be willing to help him host this meet?

I could give some suggestions, but that is all.  I've never hosted a meet before (or even attended one), so I wouldn't be the best guy for that job to be honest.

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 16, 2018, 03:37:18 AM

Quote from: noelbotevera on September 15, 2018, 04:09:45 PM
Okay, so far I might have an idea of a route.

-Tour the ramps of the interchange; then take pictures of the interchange - there's some businesses near Baldwin Road (here (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.3899709,-79.9330467,653m/data=!3m1!1e3)) that should give a good view.

-Drive to Primantis in Homestead via PA 837

-Lunch; park our cars here

-After lunch, drive to PA 28, via I-376/I-579 - I think there's still old signs, and there's some rotatable signs on I-376

-Tour PA 28 reconstruction; u-turn at the 40th Street Bridge by exit 3A

-Drive PA 28 south back to I-376 via I-279

-Take I-376 west to PA 576; clinch it

-If time permits, maybe take a second look at the abandoned ramps in Pittsburgh International, or at the very least clinch Business I-376

-If PA 576 isn't open, tour construction along Candor Road - if it is, clinch PA 576 to I-79

-Break off. For those who still have cars, post meet dinner somewhere along I-79, or if time permits, check out the Duquesne Incline and dinner in Pittsburgh - for those who don't, drive back to Homestead

The problem here is that most of the stuff you want to visit is well away from the lunch place.  Traffic can be a major issue here in Pittsburgh, especially when you have to factor in the tunnels.  That can be the biggest nightmare, especially trying to get from I-279 onto I-376 to access the Fort Pitt Tunnel.  If you aren't careful, most of the time, you'll be forced off onto West Carson Street.  4 lanes into 2 mainline lanes in an insanely short distance has never been good there.  Can count on only 1 hand how many times the family has never been forced to fight our way over to keep on the Parkway.

Also, with that 'tour' of PA-28, you can't easily 'U-Turn' @ 3A unless you cross the 40th Street Bridge completely.  Best thing there is to go to 3B and U-Turn there, as that allows the left turn @ a traffic light to go back towards SB PA-28, and a lot less trouble as the 40th Street/Butler Street intersection backs up BAD during the day.

Also, PA Turnpike 576 is now cashless (https://www.paturnpike.com/Press/2018/20180529141327.htm).  So, you need to remember to have either an EZ-Pass or you'll be billed in the mail at a higher rate.  At least now there's 2 'free' segments along it do to a brand new 'mainline' toll location.

1 last thing, leaving the cars @ Homestead might not be a great idea, been hearing of a lot of break-ins in that area recently.  Don't want the meet to end on a sour note if somebody's windows are smashed in and have stuff stolen.

Tunnels - I was kind of expecting traffic, but to be honest, I've never been in Pittsburgh at a bad time. Perhaps I could detour onto other bridges, but crossing the Monongahela River seems to be a bit of a tall order (there's only 5 bridges between Fort Duquesne and Oakland). I know that the Liberty Bridge can be a problem, but what about 10th Street or Smithfield Street Bridge to the Wabash Tunnel, then get back to I-376 @ Saw Mill Run Boulevard?

PA 28 - Honestly, I wasn't really thinking too well there. I looked at the area on Google Maps and saw a road called "Riverfront Drive"; thought we could turn off there.

Homestead - Eh, the Primantis was under a bridge. To be honest, GSV doesn't show anything particularly wrong in the area. If it comes to it, I'll probably change the lunch place to somewhere near Etna. It looks more convenient (drive from PA 837/885 up to lunch via back roads).

Lunch ideas (anybody can chime in):
Cop Out Pierogies
Restaurants along Canal Street in Sharpsburg (my idea is that anyone can pick a restaurant, and when we finish lunch, we just find somewhere to meet up and drive out)
Silky Crow's Nest
Eat 'N Park

honestly, why don't you table the idea until around january and february...it'll give you time to clearly think out an agenda - maybe talk to the right people behind the scenes to plan this out and then come back with a definite idea for a meet. 

I really think you need to go with your family to Pittsburgh and get an idea of what each of your ideas work and don't work -it may look ok or cool on a map but there may not be any real access.  (for example, the 837/885 Glenwood bridge area can be confusing and if you are not familiar how to get there it's not easy to turn around and go back if you take the wrong turn.)

I would seriously focus on one area - because Pittsburgh is a place you can't easily get there from here - and not try to showcase everything.  That's why we had anywhere from 2-3 Pittsburgh meets a year from 1999-2008 or so.

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 18, 2018, 06:30:00 PM

Quote from: A.J. Bertin on September 16, 2018, 07:55:47 AM
Would you be willing to help him host this meet?

I could give some suggestions, but that is all.  I've never hosted a meet before (or even attended one), so I wouldn't be the best guy for that job to be honest.

But you know the area. Even if you've never attended a meet, it sounds like you have a bit of an idea of how road meets work.

Quote from: CanesFan27 on September 18, 2018, 08:10:37 PM
honestly, why don't you table the idea until around january and february...it'll give you time to clearly think out an agenda - maybe talk to the right people behind the scenes to plan this out and then come back with a definite idea for a meet. 

I really think you need to go with your family to Pittsburgh and get an idea of what each of your ideas work and don't work -it may look ok or cool on a map but there may not be any real access.  (for example, the 837/885 Glenwood bridge area can be confusing and if you are not familiar how to get there it's not easy to turn around and go back if you take the wrong turn.)

I would seriously focus on one area - because Pittsburgh is a place you can't easily get there from here - and not try to showcase everything.  That's why we had anywhere from 2-3 Pittsburgh meets a year from 1999-2008 or so.

It sounds like you're trying too hard to tell him what to do. It's his meet! I still think you should try and help him host it or something. :)

AJ,

It's because I grew up there and know what does and does not work logistically and otherwise.  Jeff and/or I did meets for years there and didn't worry about the traveling circus of meet attendees planning things nearly 12 months out. 

Take a step back and look at the logistical issues myself, jeff, and PHLBOS pointed out.  They are valid and from experience. This is going to sound harsher than it is, but If this meet was presented as is I wouldn't go out of my way to go back home to PA and attend it.  Let's be realistic versus being blinded by the idea of just wanting any excuse to have or go to a Pittsburgh area meet. 

This is why I suggest doing homework and having something solid vs. 30+ changes out in the open between now and next summer.  If the agenda keeps changing - people aren't going to know what to expect or where to go and most likely it'll fall apart mid tour.

I dont think you or anyone would want that to happen.

Quote from: CanesFan27 on September 18, 2018, 08:10:37 PM
honestly, why don't you table the idea until around january and february...it'll give you time to clearly think out an agenda - maybe talk to the right people behind the scenes to plan this out and then come back with a definite idea for a meet. 

I really think you need to go with your family to Pittsburgh and get an idea of what each of your ideas work and don't work -it may look ok or cool on a map but there may not be any real access.  (for example, the 837/885 Glenwood bridge area can be confusing and if you are not familiar how to get there it's not easy to turn around and go back if you take the wrong turn.)

I would seriously focus on one area - because Pittsburgh is a place you can't easily get there from here - and not try to showcase everything.  That's why we had anywhere from 2-3 Pittsburgh meets a year from 1999-2008 or so.

I think planning it out this far out was a good call. At the very least, I'd get more responses by announcing it earlier, and people who plan to attend can check their calendars and plan for days off ASAP, so higher attendance.

Scouting I can get help with. I can speak to locals about typical traffic patterns, or what might be good ideas. Besides, my family personally doesn't have the time to go to Pittsburgh. This is the best way I can scout, and there's meets out there that have been scouted this way.

Okay, you have a point there. I'm aware of traffic, and I should be aware of sports games going on around this time, but aside from major holidays like Independence Day, I'd say I could be able to cover everything within a reasonable amount of time and with reasonable traffic.

Honestly, I'm expecting things to go wrong. It's my first meet, but I'm going to do my best with organizing this. If things don't go to plan - oh well! I could just improvise something.

Quote from: noelbotevera on September 18, 2018, 07:48:17 PM
Tunnels - I was kind of expecting traffic, but to be honest, I've never been in Pittsburgh at a bad time. Perhaps I could detour onto other bridges, but crossing the Monongahela River seems to be a bit of a tall order (there's only 5 bridges between Fort Duquesne and Oakland). I know that the Liberty Bridge can be a problem, but what about 10th Street or Smithfield Street Bridge to the Wabash Tunnel, then get back to I-376 @ Saw Mill Run Boulevard?

Listen to KDKA-1020 (https://kdkaradio.radio.com/) during the morning rush/evening rush for their traffic reports.  9/10 times the tunnels with be front and center in the reports about backups.  That will give you a general idea of traffic issues around here (would have suggested listening to KQV-1410 instead, but they are no more, but maybe coming back this fall (https://triblive.com/local/allegheny/13266883-74/new-owners-of-kqv-radio-station-hope-to-keep-the-all-news-format)).

As for possibly using the Wabash Tunnel, it depends on the time of day as to then know which direction it's open for.  Not knowing what time the group might be going thru will hurt on trying to predict which route might be the best and have the least amount of issues due to how finicky the traffic around here can be.

Here is my take on this, Noel I think its great you want to host a meet especially at your age but I really think you should hold of until you get your DL this way you can take a day and venture out to the area and scout the area a little better. When I got my DL I was 17 and had a 71 Maverick that hardly left York County and within 2 weeks I was driving that car to places in PA I had never been to in my life. I personally travel to the Monroeville area of Pittsburgh at least 3 times a year but its for my other hobby and I usually don't have time to do any exploring or scouting in the area for any type of meet and  in the past I always figured this is Adam and Jeff's primary area of PA and I would start doing more south central PA area meets like I did in 2016 and 2018.

Again you are a bright and ambitious kid but the Pittsburgh area is not going away anytime soon  ;-)

Re: Some comment upstream.

Don't rely on a map for route planning. Go and drive it yourself and double-check that the route works.

I can take any number of maps of Kentucky locations, find a marked route, and then when I get there, discover that it's a one-lane gravel road on the side of a mountain, or somewhere that turns in certain directions aren't permitted, and so on. That's why I tend to prefer events that are planned by people with great familiarity with the area, or can easily scout the locations. I've been doing meets for a few years, but would not think of hosting one in Knoxville because I don't know the turf.

Regarding the Wabash Tunnel, I wouldn't think it would be too unpredictable, since it's open outbound weekends during the day, and aside from the recent Golden Spike meet, I've never heard of a roadmeet happening at a time that wasn't during the day on a Saturday or sometimes Sunday.

Although, now that I've looked this up... why does the Wabash Tunnel flip directions anyways?  I can understand during rush hour if you wanted to have two lanes going through, but looking at the area, that doesn't appear to be what happens at all.  If only one lane is going to be used, why not let both directions go?  It's even striped with a double yellow.

Regarding tour itinerary, things being to far, etc., part of me wonders if this conflict might be the difference between the roadmeets of old and the roadmeets of new.  In the roadmeets of old, it was typically a group of 5-10 people (most of them in day trip range), lunch was at noon, and the tour wrapped up around 4 or 5.  In modern meets, on the other hand, group sizes of 20+ are not uncommon, many of them traveling long distances to attend (the majority, at many meets, perhaps most), lunch is often at 11, and the tour tends to go until 6 or 7, sometimes with a post-meet dinner.  Modern meets also tend to have typed up directions given to all attendees, with a separate navigator in each car, and shared phone numbers, rather than the caravan of 2-3 cars playing "follow the leader" in the meets of old.  You still don't want to have too much/too far away (the Salamanca meet didn't wrap until after 8, and that was AFTER cutting out a decent chunk of the tour - ironic, given that the directions said it would be a short meet; granted, that meet started at noon, not 11).  I've found that Google Maps live times tend to be reasonably accurate, so if you check those on a day similar to the meet, it will probably be fine, though in person is always better than Google Maps when possible (though I scouted Corning/Elmira over street view, and made revisions to Burlington over street view and it worked (although both meets were done with at least some consultation with people who knew the area more)).  I wouldn't worry about having the agenda 100% nailed down before the meet is even announced, though it's good to have at least a good idea of what you'd see so people can gauge if they're interested and make preliminary travel plans; in the era of printed directions, if you have the route nailed down and posted at least a week before the meet with clear, printed directions for everyone available at the meet, things should be fine on that front.

Quote from: CanesFan27 on September 18, 2018, 09:04:36 PM
AJ,

It's because I grew up there and know what does and does not work logistically and otherwise.  Jeff and/or I did meets for years there and didn't worry about the traveling circus of meet attendees planning things nearly 12 months out. 

Take a step back and look at the logistical issues myself, jeff, and PHLBOS pointed out.  They are valid and from experience. This is going to sound harsher than it is, but If this meet was presented as is I wouldn't go out of my way to go back home to PA and attend it.  Let's be realistic versus being blinded by the idea of just wanting any excuse to have or go to a Pittsburgh area meet. 

This is why I suggest doing homework and having something solid vs. 30+ changes out in the open between now and next summer.  If the agenda keeps changing - people aren't going to know what to expect or where to go and most likely it'll fall apart mid tour.

I dont think you or anyone would want that to happen.

I guess I'd rather see that happen than have there be no meet at all. The kid should be allowed to host his meet how he wants to, and he should be allowed to make his own mistakes and learn from those mistakes. If people don't trust him because he's young and because this is his first meet, no one is forcing them to attend. This situation is definitely unconventional because he's too young to even have a driver's license, but if this is something he's wanting to do, none of us should get in the way of him doing this.

I suppose I should state my opinion about the matter.

I don't want to attack anyone here - I respect everyone's view here, and I appreciate your opinions everyone has given here.

I can see why people think I'm not the best fit. I'm much too young, I can't even scout the area, and I've rarely been to Pittsburgh. There's other meets that people have done in the area before, and those meets will undoubtedly be better than mine in terms of execution or ideas. I will respect that - if anyone feels like they don't want to go, then I will allow them. Perhaps the whole meet was a fault on my part - I was simply too ambitious to try and host a meet this young and this far in advance. Perhaps waiting a while might be a good idea. Perhaps I should've researched more about hosting.

However, I will admit I was encouraged to try hosting thanks to Alps. Some have mixed feelings about him, but that's not the point. I simply saw that Pittsburgh was an area nobody had done in a while, and I was not aware of any meets centered around the Pittsburgh area. I decided to try my hand at it, and decided to try my first meet. Everyone's gotta start somewhere - whether it ends up being a total disaster or a runaway hit, then fine. Mistakes to learn from next time. Things I can improve on.

Honestly, I couldn't think of any other areas. Philadelphia has been done to death, so has cities like Baltimore, areas like Southern PA, and roads like Corridor H. This was the best I can do. I'm aware that I've neglected things like route planning - and that's my fault. I'm aware that I could improve in different areas. Even if everybody here has been to Pittsburgh or have done previous meets in the past, and all I'm doing is retreading old ground, well here's my take on it. It won't be a perfect take, but there's no such thing as the perfect road meet.

As for me, I'll call it an experiment. And I like to experiment.

I'm gonna say something harsh myself, which is I feel some of the whining in this thread is just another instance of old-guard roadgeeks feeling miffed that other people are treading on their territory looking to try something new or different, believing they already did it best and no one else need bother.

It's nothing personal. It's something that occurs regularly on this board.

Quote from: noelbotevera on September 19, 2018, 03:47:42 PM
As for me, I'll call it an experiment. And I like to experiment.

Please, by all means, experiment.  At this stage, it's a thought exercise until you can make it come to fruition.  If you feel you can host one, host one (and this is coming from a very old guard roadgeek from the 1990s mtr days).  I usually go through a few iterations of the route and things to see/do before I finally get a workable meet with a workable route.  They're not easy to put together, and can be a bit exhausting for the host (like herding cats), but can be very rewarding when the go off well.  A few things that might help as you go through the planning process (based on my own experience):

1. Pick a concise area to hold the route with a restaurant and parking near the start of said route.  Some roadgeeks have been known to have people cross and entire metro area to see different sights (St. Louis comes to mind), having people spend a lot of time in a vehicle.  I prefer to keep vehicle time to a minimum, no more than 10-15 minutes between stops if I can (the more rural they are, the further the stops will be).

2. Choose a variety of sights to see.  Some of us are into old stuff, some into new construction, some into odd signage, and others into bridges.  You can even pick an interesting non-road-related item to see (good vantage point, historical marker, etc.).

3. Pick a restaurant that can serve a decent number of people quickly.  Many pick sit-down type restaurants, but they need to be careful to have reservations ahead of time for some of them.  My last one was a BBQ joint that has counter service.  It made it much easier to order and find seats without the need for a reservation.

4. Make sure you are the lead vehicle, or are in the lead vehicle giving instructions to the driver.  Along those lines, publish an itinerary of the route and the stops being made.

5. If you do a Facebook invite, make it "Public" and not "Private".  I made that mistake once.  A "Public" invite allows those you invite to invite others.

6. I would suggest keeping the meet down to 6-7 hours total, with no more than 5 hours for the tour.  People tend to get restless at that point.

7. Have a means to herd the roadgeek back to their vehicles at each stop so you can continue in a timely manner.  A cattle prod works well. /sarc.

Quote from: noelbotevera on September 19, 2018, 03:47:42 PM
Perhaps the whole meet was a fault on my part - I was simply too ambitious to try and host a meet this young and this far in advance. Perhaps waiting a while might be a good idea. Perhaps I should've researched more about hosting.

But this is something you want to do. You have nothing to fault yourself about. Too ambitious? Maybe but don't let that stop you.

Quote from: noelbotevera on September 19, 2018, 03:47:42 PM
However, I will admit I was encouraged to try hosting thanks to Alps. Some have mixed feelings about him, but that's not the point.

Steve is a good guy. In a way, he's kind of inspired/encouraged me to host my first do-it-yourself "city meet" in Providence next spring. I'm experimenting with something new myself and have gotten a lot of support for my idea.

Quote from: noelbotevera on September 19, 2018, 03:47:42 PM
I simply saw that Pittsburgh was an area nobody had done in a while, and I was not aware of any meets centered around the Pittsburgh area.

That's good enough of a reason.

Quote from: noelbotevera on September 19, 2018, 03:47:42 PM
I decided to try my hand at it, and decided to try my first meet. Everyone's gotta start somewhere - whether it ends up being a total disaster or a runaway hit, then fine. Mistakes to learn from next time. Things I can improve on.

Absolutely.

Quote from: noelbotevera on September 19, 2018, 03:47:42 PM
I'm aware that I've neglected things like route planning - and that's my fault. I'm aware that I could improve in different areas.

But that's okay. It's only your first meet!

Quote from: noelbotevera on September 19, 2018, 03:47:42 PM
It won't be a perfect take, but there's no such thing as the perfect road meet.

That's right.

Quote from: noelbotevera on September 19, 2018, 03:47:42 PM
As for me, I'll call it an experiment. And I like to experiment.

And you shouldn't allow the naysayers in this thread to stop you from experimenting. They don't have to participate in your experiment if they don't want to. I definitely want to be there as long as I have no scheduling conflicts. (By the way, I haven't voted in the date poll because, at this point, I can't think of any reason why any of the weekends won't work.)

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on September 19, 2018, 04:26:00 PM
I'm gonna say something harsh myself, which is I feel some of the whining in this thread is just another instance of old-guard roadgeeks feeling miffed that other people are treading on their territory looking to try something new or different, believing they already did it best and no one else need bother.

I agree with you, Patrick.

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on September 19, 2018, 04:26:00 PM
It's something that occurs regularly on this board.

That's unfortunate. We all share a common interest and I consider us all to be one community. We should be welcoming newer (and younger, in this case) members into our community and encouraging them to pursue their interests. We shouldn't be discouraging them. If I were in his shoes and I felt my ideas weren't welcome, it would turn me off from wanting to be part of the community. We need to be positive and encouraging.

I hope I didn't come across too harsh in this thread. Contrary to some of the people here, I like the ideas presented.

Personally, I like when things are different. Doing the same thing over and over again gets boring. Don't like the meet format? Then don't go! Easy as that. Nobody is required to attend a meet.

I'll do anything I can to help with this. Feel free to run things past me and see if they'll work. I have a decent amount of recent driving experience in the Pittsburgh area. Biggest thing I can say now is to budget time for traffic. I have been to meets were traffic time was not budgeted and they fell apart.

And here's something else: people without cars/licenses have hosted meets in the past. This will not be the first, nor will it be the last. Just requires a little bit more research and talking to other people, that's all.

I am eyeing this meet as my first cross-country meet to attend. Too soon to tell, but I am interested.

Patrick/Josh/AJ

My skepticism/concern of this event can be summed up in the following question to Alex.  (Which I should have asked  but didnt occur to me until now)

Alex,

Are your parents aware of your plans for this meet - and are they ok with it?

I don't think personalities or age or any of this old guard/new guard stuff have as much to do with any skepticism as much as familiarity and planning do.

I once went to a meet where the selected restaurant wasn't even open for lunch. That necessitated a scramble to find someplace else to eat before the tour started.

At that same meet, I carpooled with someone for the tour, but somehow ended up with someone else's possessions in my vehicle. That person either got lost or went off to do their own thing somewhere along the tour, so I either ended up having to wait to straggle in, or give their stuff to someone else (honestly, it's been several years and I've forgotten the specifics) before I could leave. I had a route and destination planned, but ended up getting delayed and lost some photography opportunities along the way because of darkness.

At another meet, most of the routing was done on the fly. That caused a really late return to the point of origin, but not before the host insisted that we stop to eat dinner somewhere along the way as a group. It had already been a long day, I was tired, and had made individual plans for the end of the day.

And the St. Louis debacle that so many people speak so fondly of would have been enough to cause me to pull my hair out, had I been there.

I'm not the world's most organized person by any means, and I'm definitely not OCD or anything like that, but for an event like a road meet, I like the itinerary spelled out in an orderly fashion. Be sure the roads are open, be sure there's parking at the chosen stops, and so on.

Would I attend this meet? If it was well-planned, it's likely. Pittsburgh's a neat city, it's close enough that I could attend at minimal expense and with little to no time off work, and I could get Sheetz along the way. If Alex gets a date set and an agenda that looks well-planned, the date works with my schedule, and I have the means to attend, I'd be willing to come take part in the experiment.

My parents are aware that I intend to host the meet. However, I still need help with scouting. If anybody has spare time to check up on some things that I plan on seeing, then just go out there and tell me what you saw.

'Course, I'll be considering factors such as parking, road construction, and sports games as well in the itinerary. I'll have to check the big team's schedules whenever they're having a home game. I plan to have maybe two or three stops, so this meet should be relatively quick.

I have enough knowledge of Pittsburgh to make sure this meet is well planned and won't get bogged down in traffic. There could be SOME traffic, and you can never predict what happens around Pittsburgh on a daily basis due to some accident or random street closures for construction. Ground knowledge would be MOST helpful, but since no one from the city has stepped up, better to give our best effort than none at all.
Also, those who don't think I'm a nice guy... tend to not be nice guys. Just sayin'. :)

Quote from: noelbotevera on September 20, 2018, 08:08:59 PM
My parents are aware that I intend to host the meet. However, I still need help with scouting. If anybody has spare time to check up on some things that I plan on seeing, then just go out there and tell me what you saw.

I have actually driven just about all of the route in the past few months. One big thing is that you can't U-turn at the 40th Street Bridge. Need to do that at 3B.

Other than that, your plans generally look good. I think lunch in Homestead may be a bit out of the way unless you have other things you want to see that far east, but as long as we're not taking I-376 both ways to/from 576 and there's stuff to see along the route, it can work. That ties into something else: try to avoid taking the same section of road more than once in the meet. Especially something like 376, which will be a parking lot.

Quote from: Alps on September 20, 2018, 08:40:06 PM
I have enough knowledge of Pittsburgh to make sure this meet is well planned and won't get bogged down in traffic. There could be SOME traffic, and you can never predict what happens around Pittsburgh on a daily basis due to some accident or random street closures for construction. Ground knowledge would be MOST helpful, but since no one from the city has stepped up, better to give our best effort than none at all.
Also, those who don't think I'm a nice guy... tend to not be nice guys. Just sayin'. :)

Revision 1 of the meet itinerary...

Anticipated start time: 11 AM
Anticipated finish time: 3 PM
Pre-Meet: PA 837/PA 885

-Tour at least 3 or 4 movements
   Movement ideas: PA 837 through, PA 837 SB to PA 885 SB, Baldwin Road/Glass Run Road view

Lunch:

-From there, drive to Etna.
   Route idea: PA 837 SB to Homestead Grays Bridge to Browns Hill Road, which turns into Beachwood Boulevard, then merge onto I-376 West. From there, I'll pick between I-279, I-579, or the Three Sisters depending on traffic. Either way, merge onto PA 28 NB and take either exit 5A or 5B, depending on lunch location

-Drop off our cars...somewhere.
    Ideas: Sharpsburg Islands Marina, commercial center along PA 8 and Saxonburg Boulevard

PA 576 Construction:

-Drive to PA 576 construction site
    Route: PA 28 SB (for those who missed the premeet can view the revamp this way) -> I-579 or Three Sisters -> Pittsburgh city streets -> Smithfield Street and cross the bridge -> Carson Street -> Wabash Tunnel -> US 19 NB -> I-376 WB -> US 22/30 WB -> exit to Steubenville Pike -> Steubenville Pike -> Candor Road

-First possible chance, park along Candor w/view of the construction. Take group photo here.

-Follow PA 576 construction
    Route: Candor Road -> Beach Hollow Road -> PA 980 -> Laurel Hill Road -> Cecil Reissing Road -> Millers Run Road

-Stop along Beach Hollow Road. That should give us a pretty good view of any construction.

-Stop along Millers Run Road. Another view of construction.

-By the time we reach Millers Run Road and are near PA 50, that's about as far as I could trace the future alignment. There seems to be no exist roads that parallel PA 576 between PA 50 and I-79.

-So, break off here. Those who want to pick up their cars can drive up PA 50 to I-79 and make their way back to Etna. Those who want to do anything else can vote.

It's not a long meet by any stretch of the imagination, and I'm aware I'm lacking in stops. PA 43 is way too far out of the way. the stubs @ Pittsburgh International is out the way, so this was the best I can do.

Quote from: Alps on September 20, 2018, 08:40:06 PM
I have enough knowledge of Pittsburgh to make sure this meet is well planned and won't get bogged down in traffic. There could be SOME traffic, and you can never predict what happens around Pittsburgh on a daily basis due to some accident or random street closures for construction. Ground knowledge would be MOST helpful, but since no one from the city has stepped up, better to give our best effort than none at all.
Also, those who don't think I'm a nice guy... tend to not be nice guys. Just sayin'. :)

If this guy can plan a meet in New York City - say nothing about anywhere else :sombrero:

I hope this meet happens.  If possible I will attend.

If this meet goes forward and actually happens next July/August (if possible I will be there), there are multiple dead malls worth checking out in the area after the meet:

www.deadmalls.com/malls/parkway_center_mall.html
www.deadmalls.com/malls/northway_mall_pa.html
www.deadmalls.com/malls/monroeville_mall.html
www.deadmalls.com/malls/north_hills_village_mall.html
www.deadmalls.com/malls/century_iii_mall.html
www.deadmalls.com/malls/allegheny_center_mall.html

Quote from: Alps on September 20, 2018, 08:40:06 PM
Also, those who don't think I'm a nice guy... tend to not be nice guys. Just sayin'. :)

Nice guys tend not to have to tell people that they're nice guys.  Just sayin'

There should be a tie-breaker vote in order to decide between August 10th and August 17th. However the host can simply cast a tiebreaker vote whenever they feel ready to.

Quote from: kevinb1994 on November 06, 2018, 01:51:09 PM
If this meet goes forward and actually happens next July/August (if possible I will be there), there are multiple dead malls worth checking out in the area after the meet:

www.deadmalls.com/malls/parkway_center_mall.html
www.deadmalls.com/malls/northway_mall_pa.html
www.deadmalls.com/malls/monroeville_mall.html
www.deadmalls.com/malls/north_hills_village_mall.html
www.deadmalls.com/malls/century_iii_mall.html
www.deadmalls.com/malls/allegheny_center_mall.html

Not much to see of Allegheny Center since it is now an office building.  Monroeville isn't dead, unless referring to it tongue-in-cheek since it was the setting for the original Dawn of the Dead.  Who knows what Century III will be like by then since it was to be sold at auction by Allegheny County a few months back, and a last time walk-through was planned for the community, but then the sale fell through.

The 2000 XMAS SWPA took place just down the road from a then dead mall, Eastland, which the only things left are the sign and its parking lot (https://goo.gl/maps/pDpdvnxHsru).

Quote from: kevinb1994 on November 06, 2018, 02:16:09 PM
There needs to be a tie-breaker vote in order to decide between August 10th and August 17th.

I wasn't aware this was your meet.

Quote from: kevinb1994 on November 06, 2018, 01:51:09 PM
If this meet goes forward and actually happens next July/August (if possible I will be there), there are multiple dead malls worth checking out in the area after the meet:

www.deadmalls.com/malls/northway_mall_pa.html

Northway Mall is no longer dead.  It's VERY alive again.  Tons, and tons of new stuff there.

Quote from: kevinb1994 on November 07, 2018, 12:41:37 AM

Quote from: Alps on November 06, 2018, 11:53:48 PM

Quote from: kevinb1994 on November 06, 2018, 02:16:09 PM
There needs to be a tie-breaker vote in order to decide between August 10th and August 17th.

I wasn't aware this was your meet.

True, but it shouldn't sit there like that with a tie. But the host can simply cast a tiebreaker vote whenever they feel ready to.

You do realize that this suggested dates for this meet is well into next summer (9 to 10 months from now)?  Not deciding on an actual meet date until sometime next year (around springtime) isn't going to make-or-break this meet IMHO.

Quote from: PHLBOS on November 07, 2018, 09:20:31 AM
You do realize that this suggested dates for this meet is well into next summer (9 to 10 months from now)?  Not deciding on an actual meet date until sometime next year (around springtime) isn't going to make-or-break this meet IMHO.

This. IMO, we don't need a solid date until late winter even if we have people flying in. It's not like flights to Pittsburgh or nearby major airports (of which there are several) are hard to come by.

Quote from: cl94 on November 07, 2018, 11:56:47 AMIt's not like flights to Pittsburgh or nearby major airports (of which there are several) are hard to come by.

Out of curiosity, what other nearby airports are you thinking of and how far are such from the Greater Pittsburgh area?  Depending on where one is flying from; PIT has a greater variety/choice of carriers (including JetBlue & Southwest) than it did when it was a hub for then-US Airways prior to the early 2000s.

Either way, assuming one is flying within the continental US; one need not have to book a flight to PIT as far in advance as one would need to book an international, overseas flight.

I forgot that PIT was no longer a fortress hub. Cleveland is the main alternate I was thinking of (little over 2 hours), but there's also some service to Akron.

Quote from: cl94 on November 07, 2018, 02:55:25 PMI forgot that PIT was no longer a fortress hub. Cleveland is the main alternate I was thinking of (little over 2 hours), but there's also some service to Akron.

CLE has the same major carriers flying out of it as PIT.  If a fare to CLE is cheaper than a fare to PIT; one will need to factor in the additional gas (& toll) costs getting from CLE to the Pittsburgh area into the overall travel budget (i.e. it could be a wash).

Canton-Arkon (CAK) only has four carriers serving it; the three legacy carriers (American, Delta & United) plus Spirit.

For those curious about dates, I'll probably decide on a date sometime in April or even May of next year. I just announced dates this far out just to be on the safe side, though I was too early.

No plans have changed, by the way; I'll probably revive this thread sometime in May, to finalize plans and ask for scouting help.

Dead malls sound interesting; I'm interested in Monroeville's solely because of the novelty.

Posting only to follow the thread.

Quote from: PHLBOS on November 07, 2018, 01:42:01 PM

Quote from: cl94 on November 07, 2018, 11:56:47 AMIt's not like flights to Pittsburgh or nearby major airports (of which there are several) are hard to come by.

Out of curiosity, what other nearby airports are you thinking of and how far are such from the Greater Pittsburgh area?  Depending on where one is flying from; PIT has a greater variety/choice of carriers (including JetBlue & Southwest) than it did when it was a hub for then-US Airways prior to the early 2000s.

Spirit also flies into/out of [Latrobe/Westmoreland County]/Arnold Palmer Regional Airport, although the routes are somewhat limited as are the departure and arrival times.

Quote from: kevinb1994 on November 16, 2018, 02:06:03 AM
Allegiant Air is the only carrier with direct (non-stop) flights to and from Pittsburgh via our city's international airport (JAX).

FYI, in commercial aviation terms; direct and non-stop flights are not necessarily the same thing.

Direct simply means that the overall routing of the flight (including stop(s)) is all under one number & no plane changes.  Such does make a difference with many air carriers' UM (unaccompanied-minor) policies (yes for direct flights, no for itineraries involving connections/plane changes).

It's been a while since there's been discussion about this meet, so I figured I'd revive this thread. Is this still a possibility for July or August?

Quote from: A.J. Bertin on January 22, 2019, 09:09:46 PM
It's been a while since there's been discussion about this meet, so I figured I'd revive this thread. Is this still a possibility for July or August?

Eh, perhaps. I should be able to pull this off fairly cheaply. The big focus right now is funding our trip to the Philippines, and plane tickets along with other expenses...it's not cheap.

Nonetheless, if I can't go, I'll at the very least write up the itinerary. Somebody else can take the meet from there.

Quote from: noelbotevera on January 22, 2019, 09:29:39 PM

Quote from: A.J. Bertin on January 22, 2019, 09:09:46 PM
It's been a while since there's been discussion about this meet, so I figured I'd revive this thread. Is this still a possibility for July or August?

Eh, perhaps. I should be able to pull this off fairly cheaply. The big focus right now is funding our trip to the Philippines, and plane tickets along with other expenses...it's not cheap.

Nonetheless, if I can't go, I'll at the very least write up the itinerary. Somebody else can take the meet from there.

I can host if I have enough boots on the ground to scout.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Allegheny+River+Blvd,+Verona,+PA/@40.5033167,-79.8449926,17.25z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x8834ecd80772371b:0x403e703345a11422!8m2!3d40.5032453!4d-79.8433041

Gotta be on the meet.
I'm going to pick Saturday, August 10 as the most popular consensus. This is happening.

May also do Ohio River Blvd. https://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/12/pittsburghs-ohio-river-boulevard.html?fbclid=IwAR1f9TQpwC0FB1lCHgTkQPZauZH5sOe-E81ni38ELmge1r4TJjp0GSfgIUY

Going to get ideas from Mr. Vera as well as other PGHians and help get this going.

Thanks a bunch. I'll see if I can't spend time this weekend to write out an itinerary. I'll edit this post with a Google Docs link later, which should be the full agenda.

Quote from: noelbotevera on March 02, 2019, 12:50:09 AM
Thanks a bunch. I'll see if I can't spend time this weekend to write out an itinerary. I'll edit this post with a Google Docs link later, which should be the full agenda.

You have some time. I would suggest running a draft by me first, and I may pass it to someone else well versed in PGH for that person's thoughts as well. It's been many years so I want to make this a great one.

Quote from: Alps on March 01, 2019, 10:57:44 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Allegheny+River+Blvd,+Verona,+PA/@40.5033167,-79.8449926,17.25z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x8834ecd80772371b:0x403e703345a11422!8m2!3d40.5032453!4d-79.8433041

Gotta be on the meet.
I'm going to pick Saturday, August 10 as the most popular consensus. This is happening.

Awesome!!! :D

See you guys there (tentatively)

I'm looking forward to this as well.  I wasn't going to meets when the last Pittsburgh meet was held and I've never really explored the area too much.  I also like to think that I got the ball for this meet back into motion.  I hadn't heard much about it since it was proposed, so I asked Alps about it last week and viola here comes talk about it!

Itinerary update...hitting a few snags. Yes, I'm also aware that I must make that Facebook event. I'll make a link when I do it.

No clue as to how parking is around the city, as I'm trying to work out lunch. I've concluded that Etna is way too far from the pre-meet, and parking in the Strip District is tight. I'm thinking of a restaurant in the North Side, downtown, Oakland, or Mount Washington area.

As to stops, here's ideas I have so far (still working on the itinerary):

-Mount Washington (possible group photo?); won't require cars, thinking of using the Duquesne Incline
-Fort Pitt Tunnel EB ride
-Wabash Tunnel
-Southern Beltway (duh; possible photo op #2?)
-Pittsburgh Int'l Airport stubs (tied in w/Southern Beltway)
-New PA 28
-Allegheny River Blvd.
-PA 43
-Bridge tours (Three Sisters, West End, etc.)

So far, I've categorized them into three categories, basing them on where we go after lunch. I've also got a proposal for those who may not like what I pick.

Mt. Washington + Ft. Pitt + Wabash -> nearby/"South" choice
Pittsburgh Int'l + Southern Beltway -> "West/Far South" choice
New PA 28 + Allegheny River Blvd. -> "North" choice

I may create a second poll (can I do that?) for those who want to vote on where to go. If there is no decisive choice, then I'll do it "Providence" style, where everyone does their own thing (goes south, west, north, wherever) and then goes back to Pittsburgh to reconvene for dinner.

Oh, and some possible post-meet options (depending on when the meet wraps up, hopefully no later than 6 PM)

-Kennywood
-Dinner
-Clinching? (PA 43, I-279, US 19 Byp., I-376 Bus., etc.)

Again, pardon the indecisiveness and the delay on the itinerary.

EDIT: Changed the poll and reset all vote counts to zero.

I have the least interest in South since those are things I have already seen. On the other hand, they can be used as waypoints to go to other things. I would consider Mt. Washington as a "pre-meet" activity for those interested: meet at 9:00 AM, go up the Incline, take photos, then head to the meet lunch.
There is no need to apologize at this point. Much has not been set in stone. Let's aim to get the itinerary set by June.

Perhaps this could be interesting: https://archive.triblive.com/news/pittsburgh-allegheny/steelers-finance-1m-project-to-resurrect-century-old-sculpture/

NOTE: Due to summer plans that MAY conflict with this roadmeet, I will have to prepare a backup date of July 27th.

In short, I'll probably be travelling to/in New Orleans (or the Philippines) by August 10th, so unless someone else wants to take over, I'll need a backup plan. Again, nothing is set in stone yet.

---

Also, there's a tie on the poll. Since I plan on checking out two new construction projects, I'll create a new poll for those who want to see PA 576 or PA 43. That'll come in the future.

Quote from: noelbotevera on March 18, 2019, 04:21:44 PM
NOTE: Due to summer plans that MAY conflict with this roadmeet, I will have to prepare a backup date of July 27th.

In short, I'll probably be travelling to/in New Orleans (or the Philippines) by August 10th, so unless someone else wants to take over, I'll need a backup plan. Again, nothing is set in stone yet.

---

Also, there's a tie on the poll. Since I plan on checking out two new construction projects, I'll create a new poll for those who want to see PA 576 or PA 43. That'll come in the future.

Still plenty of time. You're putting this together, so you should be there. I'm just helping with logistics.

Quote from: noelbotevera on March 18, 2019, 04:21:44 PM
NOTE: Due to summer plans that MAY conflict with this roadmeet, I will have to prepare a backup date of July 27th.

In short, I'll probably be travelling to/in New Orleans (or the Philippines) by August 10th, so unless someone else wants to take over, I'll need a backup plan. Again, nothing is set in stone yet.

---

Also, there's a tie on the poll. Since I plan on checking out two new construction projects, I'll create a new poll for those who want to see PA 576 or PA 43. That'll come in the future.

*COUGH* August 3rd *COUGH* ;)

I'm interested in coming. Either date is fine for me, but I need to put in my leave request from work by the end of the month.

Quote from: kevinb1994 on April 11, 2019, 06:28:35 PM
I should make clear that that I haven't actually completely dropped my interest from this meet (despite saying that that I was no longer able to attend earlier in this thread due to flight/plane logistics that weren't working out after doing some research of my own), and will or won't attend based upon when the meet will actually be held mid-summer...and based upon said flight/plane logistics, which may or may not hinder my attendance to the point of not being able to attend this meet.

KEVIN...WE DON'T CARE!!!  :banghead:

Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on April 11, 2019, 07:57:30 PM

Quote from: kevinb1994 on April 11, 2019, 06:28:35 PM
I should make clear that that I haven't actually completely dropped my interest from this meet (despite saying that that I was no longer able to attend earlier in this thread due to flight/plane logistics that weren't working out after doing some research of my own), and will or won't attend based upon when the meet will actually be held mid-summer...and based upon said flight/plane logistics, which may or may not hinder my attendance to the point of not being able to attend this meet.

KEVIN...WE DON'T CARE!!!  :banghead:

I do. It determines whether I pack ear plugs or not.

Right, I've got a definitive date. August 10th is the target, and I hope to have an itinerary ready by the time I leave for NOLA. I plan on reserving everything by July, and making final adjustments afterwards. Sorry about my silence; it's just that it's high school and it's almost to the end of the year.

Note that I can't afford reserving vans or anything. I'll open my car up for carpooling, but I hope nobody minds cramped back seats. I guess a head count on cars and people would be nice.

Finally, here's the Facebook event page. It's public. Link (https://www.facebook.com/events/2304837223080296/)

Quote from: signalman on April 11, 2019, 08:00:48 PM

Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on April 11, 2019, 07:57:30 PM

Quote from: kevinb1994 on April 11, 2019, 06:28:35 PM
I should make clear that that I haven't actually completely dropped my interest from this meet (despite saying that that I was no longer able to attend earlier in this thread due to flight/plane logistics that weren't working out after doing some research of my own), and will or won't attend based upon when the meet will actually be held mid-summer...and based upon said flight/plane logistics, which may or may not hinder my attendance to the point of not being able to attend this meet.

KEVIN...WE DON'T CARE!!!  :banghead:

I do. It determines whether I pack ear plugs or not.

:rofl:

Quote from: noelbotevera on April 11, 2019, 09:42:47 PM
Right, I've got a definitive date. August 10th is the target, and I hope to have an itinerary ready by the time I leave for NOLA. I plan on reserving everything by July, and making final adjustments afterwards. Sorry about my silence; it's just that it's high school and it's almost to the end of the year.

Note that I can't afford reserving vans or anything. I'll open my car up for carpooling, but I hope nobody minds cramped back seats. I guess a head count on cars and people would be nice.

Finally, here's the Facebook event page. It's public. Link (https://www.facebook.com/events/2304837223080296/)

The van is a Jason thing. You'll come up with your signature move. Here as needed to help. We're gonna make meets great again!

I would suggest not trying to do PA 43 as part of this meet. It's a long slog out to there via PA 51 from your other sites and frankly, there's nothing really all that interesting out there to see.

Quote from: signalman on April 11, 2019, 08:00:48 PM

Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on April 11, 2019, 07:57:30 PM

Quote from: kevinb1994 on April 11, 2019, 06:28:35 PM
I should make clear that that I haven't actually completely dropped my interest from this meet (despite saying that that I was no longer able to attend earlier in this thread due to flight/plane logistics that weren't working out after doing some research of my own), and will or won't attend based upon when the meet will actually be held mid-summer...and based upon said flight/plane logistics, which may or may not hinder my attendance to the point of not being able to attend this meet.

KEVIN...WE DON'T CARE!!!  :banghead:

I do. It determines whether I pack ear plugs or not.

This exchange wins the forum for the week.

Itinerary complete! Draft one, that is. This will also be posted on the Facebook page for suggestions. Still need somebody to scout, especially the PA 576 area.

Itinerary (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aCvq6P_YKBF3NEftKscP-kQVm-A-befhJAmUfGockMs/edit?usp=sharing)

Quote from: noelbotevera on April 13, 2019, 11:55:50 PM
Itinerary complete! Draft one, that is. This will also be posted on the Facebook page for suggestions. Still need somebody to scout, especially the PA 576 area.

Itinerary (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aCvq6P_YKBF3NEftKscP-kQVm-A-befhJAmUfGockMs/edit?usp=sharing)

Still need to mention that PA-576 is a TOLL highway, so, having an EZ-Pass would be a good thing unless you want a bill in the mail as it's now cashless.

I would not have people pay to take the meet photo. Put the hill climb as an optional pre-meet activity at 10:30, and have the lunch at 11 or 11:30.

I am 95% positive I'll be there at this point, I don't see any conflicting leave requests at work. I likely will come into town on Thursday or Friday, and then leave town Sunday to spend the rest of the week at Deep Creek Lake.

Second draft...complete! I've added some warnings, and chose to add a stop (the Squirrel Hill Tunnel). One again, I'll accept suggestions and make edits where necessary.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nn2wmcgFAHbPlWg4uPzLw-075HChJqiPtzcScl8OqmU/edit?usp=sharing

Might want to mention the merging issue here:
"Taking I-279 South to the end, merge onto I-376 West."

That has, and always is a very troublesome merge.  I honestly can count on 1 hand how many times I've not had issues doing it, and it's mostly been @ night.

I was through the 837/885 interchange just yesterday, and I would chuck the route that takes people out to Becks Run.  It may look short on a map but it takes awhile to get there, and there is nowhere suitable to turn around a caravan of vehicles.

Just going to throw this out here:
https://www.wtae.com/article/monongahela-incline-to-remain-closed-until-may/27210760

Hopefully, everything will go as planned, but who knows.

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 19, 2019, 02:37:33 AM
Might want to mention the merging issue here:
"Taking I-279 South to the end, merge onto I-376 West."

That has, and always is a very troublesome merge.  I honestly can count on 1 hand how many times I've not had issues doing it, and it's mostly been @ night.

noelbotevera, it seems you're confused as to where the issue is.

QuoteTaking I-279 South to the end, merge onto I-376 West. THIS IS A WEAVE. BE PREPARED TO MOVE FAST. If you do miss your exit, you can exit onto Ft. Duquesne Blvd. (left lane), and make your way through downtown, merging onto I-376 at the south end of town.

That 'weave' you mention there isn't really an issue as there's not too much traffic normally coming from PA-65.  It's the one on the Ft. Pitt Bridge itself (this one (https://goo.gl/maps/e8en6cK1ZAxJX7jM6)).  You have WB I-376 traffic, the traffic from Liberty Ave (which has a 'STOP' sign and merges into I-279 SB traffic just before I-376), & I-279 SB traffic.  And I-376 (now) has default 2 lanes that go thru the tunnel, and those are the left lanes.

So, pretty much, you have to be in the 'right thru' lane on I-279 going onto the Fort Duquesne Bridge so you can merge one lane to the right, so that you can be in the left lane on the approach to the Fort Pitt Bridge so you have less of a problem getting into the #2 lane on that bridge.  Otherwise, you'll be forced off onto PA-837 towards the West End Circle.

QuoteOtherwise, you'll be forced off onto PA-857 towards the West End Circle.

PA 857 should have been PA 837.  PA 857 only exists south of Uniontown to the east of PA 43.

Quote from: 74/171FAN on April 20, 2019, 09:45:01 AM

QuoteOtherwise, you'll be forced off onto PA-857 towards the West End Circle.

PA 857 should have been PA 837.  PA 857 only exists south of Uniontown to the east of PA 43.

Fixed. lol.  Must have been typing fast and didn't notice that mistake. ;)

Unfortunately, this is on the one weekend I have to work due to a large event in downtown Columbus, so I will not be able to attend.

Quote from: kevinb1994 on April 25, 2019, 02:13:00 AM
For a post-meet event, how about a Riverhounds home game vs. Swope Park (Rangers) at their home stadium (Highmark)? On the other hand, the Steelers' pre-season schedule has yet to be finalized, although there is a game to be scheduled the weekend of the meet at Heinz Field vs. Tampa Bay.

Update: https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2019/05/01/caliente-pizza-best-in-america/

Update2: No, no it isn't.

I guess since I've been silent on itinerary updates, it's time to consider lunch. I've since revisited Pittsburgh (for a ramp festival by the PA/WV line, if you're wondering), and struck out the Strip District. Even at 8 PM on a Saturday night can parking be an issue, even though most famed stores are already closed (e.g. Wholey's). Finally, I'm tempted to toss PA 28 in favor of the mosaic...though I'm not sure how many people would appreciate that.

It also seems the Mon Incline was down for maintenance when I was there, so for now the pre-meet will probably be the Duquesne Incline.

Some options I've considered:

-Butler St. in Lawrenceville (too far?)
-Eat n' Park locations (haven't seen a map for those)
-Homestead area, especially The Waterfront (it's a mall)
-Station Square (depends on how many attend Mt. Washington...if it's 8+ this'll probably become lunch)
-Any Primanti Bros in the area

Postmeet options:

-Kennywood (cheaper tickets too!)
-Monroeville Mall
-Nike missile sites (I know of one in Coraopolis and another between Plum and Murrysville)
-Bridge tour (West End, Three Sisters, maybe McKees Rocks?)
-Tunnel tour (Wabash, Armstrong, Liberty...Fort Pitt is easy to get)

Note: Due to high school finals, I probably won't be posting as often. I'll review the forum + Facebook as needed, but mightn't respond.

Quote from: noelbotevera on May 03, 2019, 10:33:31 PM
It also seems the Mon Incline was down for maintenance when I was there, so for now the pre-meet will probably be the Duquesne Incline.

https://www.wtae.com/article/monongahela-incline-to-remain-closed-until-may/27210760

It should be back up online by the time of the meet.

Quote from: noelbotevera on May 03, 2019, 10:33:31 PM
Some options I've considered:

-Eat n' Park locations (haven't seen a map for those)

https://www.google.com/maps/search/eat'n+park/@40.4609031,-80.0471626,12.25z

That shows all the Eat'n Park's close to the Downtown area.

I've done another poll reset for postmeet activities. I'll tally up the votes on here and Facebook, and whichever wins gets a spot on the itinerary.

Quote from: noelbotevera on May 06, 2019, 03:54:44 PM
I've done another poll reset for postmeet activities. I'll tally up the votes on here and Facebook, and whichever wins gets a spot on the itinerary.

Post meet doesn't need to be as structured. You could have two suggested events and let people decide from there.

I've since refined the itinerary to include the tunnel mosaic and the "parkway" portion of Bigelow Boulevard, replacing new PA 28. I'm not sure how parking in downtown Pittsburgh is - especially during a weekend - but it seems that parking is provided along the streets, and the area by the beginning of Bigelow does have a fair amount of parking. I've also included post-meet ideas, chose Homestead as lunch, and included estimated time stamps for each stop.

noelbotevera, the Mon Incline just reopened today, so that idea is still good to go. ;)  (& the power outage was fixed fast, lol.)

https://twitter.com/LizKilmerWPXI/status/1126819659800547328

I'm going to downgrade my status to "questionable" for this meet. I'm leaving for a 9-day trip to the Rockies four days after the meet, so I don't think I'll be able to swing a long weekend in Pittsburgh. I'll definitely be there in spirit!

Quote from: kevinb1994 on May 10, 2019, 06:38:30 AM
Just a heads up that this meet will be held the exact same weekend as the Steel City Con, which is scheduled to be held at the Monroeville Convention Center, which is directly across from the Monroeville Mall.

Our nerds are better than their nerds.

Quote from: Alps on May 10, 2019, 07:45:24 PM

Quote from: kevinb1994 on May 10, 2019, 06:38:30 AM
Just a heads up that this meet will be held the exact same weekend as the Steel City Con, which is scheduled to be held at the Monroeville Convention Center, which is directly across from the Monroeville Mall.

Our nerds are better than their nerds.

We have at least one nerd amongst who used to be a frequent vendor at Steel City Con until their fees went way up.

Quote from: kevinb1994 on May 10, 2019, 06:38:30 AM
Just a heads up that this meet will be held the exact same weekend as the Steel City Con, which is scheduled to be held at the Monroeville Convention Center, which is directly across from the Monroeville Mall. I have decided to move the hotel I was looking at away from there and back to the Pittsburgh Airport/Robinson Township area.

Somehow, I think the meet- if it occurs - will survive.

Quote from: hbelkins on May 11, 2019, 01:40:22 PM

Quote from: Alps on May 10, 2019, 07:45:24 PM

Quote from: kevinb1994 on May 10, 2019, 06:38:30 AM
Just a heads up that this meet will be held the exact same weekend as the Steel City Con, which is scheduled to be held at the Monroeville Convention Center, which is directly across from the Monroeville Mall.

Our nerds are better than their nerds.

We have at least one nerd amongst who used to be a frequent vendor at Steel City Con until their fees went way up.

Yes and that was me and no I am no longer a vendor there but it is a fairly big draw and yes the meet will survive with this event going on, I am still a 75% yes on attending the meet.

My notes have an entry, "PA 130 embossed shield on old alignment near old 993 text sign". I don't see any old alignments near PA 130/993. Any idea what this note might be?

Quote from: Alps on May 30, 2019, 08:55:47 PM
My notes have an entry, "PA 130 embossed shield on old alignment near old 993 text sign". I don't see any old alignments near PA 130/993. Any idea what this note might be?

My guess would be somewhere in Turtle Creek maybe?

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on May 30, 2019, 10:54:22 PM

Quote from: Alps on May 30, 2019, 08:55:47 PM
My notes have an entry, "PA 130 embossed shield on old alignment near old 993 text sign". I don't see any old alignments near PA 130/993. Any idea what this note might be?

My guess would be somewhere in Turtle Creek maybe?

Nah, I've checked out Turtle Creek already. PA 993 is well east of there. It would be a really cool find for the tour (or a note for pre/post meet).

Quote from: Alps on May 31, 2019, 12:05:35 AM

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on May 30, 2019, 10:54:22 PM

Quote from: Alps on May 30, 2019, 08:55:47 PM
My notes have an entry, "PA 130 embossed shield on old alignment near old 993 text sign". I don't see any old alignments near PA 130/993. Any idea what this note might be?

My guess would be somewhere in Turtle Creek maybe?

Nah, I've checked out Turtle Creek already. PA 993 is well east of there. It would be a really cool find for the tour (or a note for pre/post meet).

But 993 used to go to US-30 in the past.  That's the only reason I mentioned it.

Quote from: Alps on May 30, 2019, 08:55:47 PM
My notes have an entry, "PA 130 embossed shield on old alignment near old 993 text sign". I don't see any old alignments near PA 130/993. Any idea what this note might be?

It was a cutout and it's gone. As is the button copy text sign .

This was the sign.

http://www.gribblenation.com/papics/oldsigns/pa130_1090.jpg

Quote from: CanesFan27 on May 31, 2019, 12:23:54 PM
This was the sign.

http://www.gribblenation.com/papics/oldsigns/pa130_1090.jpg

Now I'm sad.

Quote from: Alps on May 31, 2019, 07:49:16 PM

Quote from: CanesFan27 on May 31, 2019, 12:23:54 PM
This was the sign.

http://www.gribblenation.com/papics/oldsigns/pa130_1090.jpg

Now I'm sad.

I double checked because Bruce gave me the heads up on it back in 1999.  I got a photo that winter and then he took that photo the next year.  It was on Penn Ave. Extension/Airbrake Avenue in Turtle Creek.  I double checked street view because it's been a while and I may have been incorrect on the location. 

Guessing it went away when they rebuilt the Greensburg Pike Bridge....it was an old truss bridge over Turtle Creek

Quote from: Alps on May 31, 2019, 07:49:16 PM

Quote from: CanesFan27 on May 31, 2019, 12:23:54 PM
This was the sign.

http://www.gribblenation.com/papics/oldsigns/pa130_1090.jpg

Now I'm sad.

If it's any minuscule consolation, this wild ass anachronism (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4517122,-79.9080338,3a,33.6y,233.89h,94.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFVK3GA4LCJBxRRBE4-nLmg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) might still be around (though I haven't checked in probably about a year).

Also for the deadmall folks, Century III is fantastic because it's still somehow inexplicably open. I try to make a habit of stopping by randomly once or twice a year just to see what's gone and the last time I did so an entire wing of the mall was barricaded off and the food court had zero tenants. Just a staggering decline for something that has managed not to get completely abandoned/condemned yet.

Quote from: wphiii on June 04, 2019, 12:56:00 AM

Quote from: Alps on May 31, 2019, 07:49:16 PM

Quote from: CanesFan27 on May 31, 2019, 12:23:54 PM
This was the sign.

http://www.gribblenation.com/papics/oldsigns/pa130_1090.jpg

Now I'm sad.

If it's any minuscule consolation, this wild ass anachronism (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4517122,-79.9080338,3a,33.6y,233.89h,94.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFVK3GA4LCJBxRRBE4-nLmg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) might still be around (though I haven't checked in probably about a year).

Also have this relic of PA-380 ALT in Downtown still as far as I know. https://goo.gl/maps/oRPfpkFi2AKRr4S77

Shame this old PA Turnpike relic (https://goo.gl/maps/uWEnoSZqsuj2Qbwg9) was removed. :(  Was removed sometime between 8/14 & 6/16.

Quote from: wphiii on June 04, 2019, 01:02:55 AM
Also for the deadmall folks, Century III is fantastic because it's still somehow inexplicably open. I try to make a habit of stopping by randomly once or twice a year just to see what's gone and the last time I did so an entire wing of the mall was barricaded off and the food court had zero tenants. Just a staggering decline for something that has managed not to get completely abandoned/condemned yet.

Unless you want to go to JC Penny the entire mall is now closed.

Quote from: CanesFan27 on June 04, 2019, 07:15:35 AM

Quote from: wphiii on June 04, 2019, 01:02:55 AM
Also for the deadmall folks, Century III is fantastic because it's still somehow inexplicably open. I try to make a habit of stopping by randomly once or twice a year just to see what's gone and the last time I did so an entire wing of the mall was barricaded off and the food court had zero tenants. Just a staggering decline for something that has managed not to get completely abandoned/condemned yet.

Unless you want to go to JC Penny the entire mall is now closed.

Damn, there was still a haggard crew of like 10 stores that were clinging on the last time I stopped in, I believe around Christmas.

I'm reading now, looks like the tenants were told to vacate in February after a fiasco in which the sprinkler system broke. Glad at least the comic shop found a new home at the Waterfront.

The Borough of West Mifflin basically condemned it back in February.

https://www.wtae.com/article/century-iii-mall-in-west-mifflin-deemed-uninhabitable-structure/26222768

SM-G965U

Quote from: PAHighways on June 04, 2019, 12:09:42 PM
The Borough of West Mifflin basically condemned it back in February.

https://www.wtae.com/article/century-iii-mall-in-west-mifflin-deemed-uninhabitable-structure/26222768

SM-G965U

And it was just boarded up today.
https://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/century-iii-mall-century-iii-mall-now-boarded-up/955288005

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on June 04, 2019, 04:30:12 AM

Quote from: wphiii on June 04, 2019, 12:56:00 AM

Quote from: Alps on May 31, 2019, 07:49:16 PM

Quote from: CanesFan27 on May 31, 2019, 12:23:54 PM
This was the sign.

http://www.gribblenation.com/papics/oldsigns/pa130_1090.jpg

Now I'm sad.

If it's any minuscule consolation, this wild ass anachronism (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4517122,-79.9080338,3a,33.6y,233.89h,94.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFVK3GA4LCJBxRRBE4-nLmg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) might still be around (though I haven't checked in probably about a year).

Also have this relic of PA-380 ALT in Downtown still as far as I know. https://goo.gl/maps/oRPfpkFi2AKRr4S77

Shame this old PA Turnpike relic (https://goo.gl/maps/uWEnoSZqsuj2Qbwg9) was removed. :(  Was removed sometime between 8/14 & 6/16.

Both are great examples of the old Pittsburgh Department of Public Works style of signage.  It's been modernized over the years but like Allegheny County Sign Shop signage - still have their own uniqueness

Quote from: kevinb1994 on May 29, 2019, 11:24:46 PM
We're going to make this our only meet for this year, so I can say that we're 100% committed at this point.

I'm pretty sure you've scared off a number of people by saying that.

Quote from: kevinb1994 on June 16, 2019, 12:46:44 AM

Quote from: Alps on June 15, 2019, 10:47:52 PM

Quote from: kevinb1994 on May 29, 2019, 11:24:46 PM
We're going to make this our only meet for this year, so I can say that we're 100% committed at this point.

I'm pretty sure you've scared off a number of people by saying that.

Yeah, you may be right about that; it seems like not many people are considering attending this meet, at least not right now.

I, for one, am going to Pittsburgh the weekend of August 10 even if the meet falls through. At this point though, I don't think I have reason to believe that it will fall through.

Quote from: kevinb1994 on June 16, 2019, 02:13:50 PM

Quote from: A.J. Bertin on June 16, 2019, 01:05:55 PM

Quote from: kevinb1994 on June 16, 2019, 12:46:44 AM

Quote from: Alps on June 15, 2019, 10:47:52 PM

Quote from: kevinb1994 on May 29, 2019, 11:24:46 PM
We're going to make this our only meet for this year, so I can say that we're 100% committed at this point.

I'm pretty sure you've scared off a number of people by saying that.

Yeah, you may be right about that; it seems like not many people are considering attending this meet, at least not right now.

I, for one, am going to Pittsburgh the weekend of August 10 even if the meet falls through.

I can't say at this point whether or not we're going, as we have not finalized our travel plans.

Earlier you said you're 100% committed to going. Maybe not?

I know I'm planning on being there since this is my backyard. ;)

Quote from: Alps on June 15, 2019, 10:47:52 PM

Quote from: kevinb1994 on May 29, 2019, 11:24:46 PM
We're going to make this our only meet for this year, so I can say that we're 100% committed at this point.

I'm pretty sure you've scared off a number of people by saying that.

Yeah, that's what I am thinking too :-D

I personally have not committed as I am unsure how much I will be needed at a church event that day.

I am scared of commitment.

Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 03, 2019, 12:49:13 AM

Quote from: Rothman on June 17, 2019, 09:39:20 PM
I am scared of commitment.

As am I.

... uh, yeah, I think that was the whole point of his post.

Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 03, 2019, 12:49:13 AM

Quote from: Rothman on June 17, 2019, 09:39:20 PM
I am scared of commitment.

As am I.

That explains the Jacksonville meet.

Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 03, 2019, 04:46:03 PM

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on July 03, 2019, 04:39:21 PM

Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 03, 2019, 12:49:13 AM

Quote from: Rothman on June 17, 2019, 09:39:20 PM
I am scared of commitment.

As am I.

That explains the Jacksonville meet.

Which explains why it got canceled, after initially being postponed until late February of 2022. I'm hosting the Orlando Meet in Early 2021 in its place for now.

How do we know that your fear of commitment won't prevent the Orlando meet in 2021 from being cancelled at the last minute like the Jacksonville meet was?

Quote from: A.J. Bertin on July 03, 2019, 06:11:39 PM

Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 03, 2019, 04:46:03 PM

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on July 03, 2019, 04:39:21 PM

Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 03, 2019, 12:49:13 AM

Quote from: Rothman on June 17, 2019, 09:39:20 PM
I am scared of commitment.

As am I.

That explains the Jacksonville meet.

Which explains why it got canceled, after initially being postponed until late February of 2022. I'm hosting the Orlando Meet in Early 2021 in its place for now.

How do we know that your fear of commitment won't prevent the Orlando meet in 2021 from being cancelled at the last minute like the Jacksonville meet was?

No kidding.  Planning this far in advance is begging for issues.

Quote from: Rothman on July 03, 2019, 06:54:25 PM

Quote from: A.J. Bertin on July 03, 2019, 06:11:39 PM

Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 03, 2019, 04:46:03 PM

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on July 03, 2019, 04:39:21 PM

Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 03, 2019, 12:49:13 AM

Quote from: Rothman on June 17, 2019, 09:39:20 PM
I am scared of commitment.

As am I.

That explains the Jacksonville meet.

Which explains why it got canceled, after initially being postponed until late February of 2022. I'm hosting the Orlando Meet in Early 2021 in its place for now.

How do we know that your fear of commitment won't prevent the Orlando meet in 2021 from being cancelled at the last minute like the Jacksonville meet was?

No kidding.  Planning this far in advance is begging for issues.

Kevin is autistic. He is unable to function by himself, he has to have one of his parents with him (as seen by those of us who attended the Western Chicago suburbs roadmeet last year). We all thought Kevin had good intentions when he announced a Jacksonville roadmeet for February of this year. The "chance of rain" wasn't what cancelled the meet, it was the lack of involvement by Kevin's parents that killed that meet. They didn't know what Kevin was doing till a week before, and they prevented Kevin from attending, much less hosting, said meet.  Thus, the lack of trust, most of us, have towards Kevin on these events now.
That said, now Kevin is spitballing places on a map that he would want to visit, in the guise of a roadmeet, hoping someone else will pick up the ball and assemble said event. This way Kevin can work on convincing his parents into taking him to said meeting (preferably by plane) without having to worry about letting everyone down if he can't make it.
It is Kevin's infatuation with event planning that is annoying us and prejudicing our opinions of anything Kevin adds to this message board.
If Kevin can't stop it, we'll need third parties (i.e. Admins/moderators) to "protect" Kevin from himself.

For those on the fence about attending: I'd say I need a definitive headcount by the beginning of August. Somewhere around the week of July 27th - August 3rd, where I'll book the restaurant. Feel free to PM me if you have any reservations about attending and I'll try to resolve them the best I can. I'm assuming that one week is plenty of time for a restaurant to prepare for a decent sized group of people (I'm expecting no more than 20 people, maybe even less).

The itinerary is essentially set in stone at this point, but for those who want to make last minute suggestions, then speak up now. I'm also setting the itinerary deadline at the same week of the restaurant, just to get last minute thoughts.

Regarding communication, I'm unsure if I should post my personal cell phone number here. I hope I've written clear enough instructions on the itinerary, but the portion regarding 576 is constantly changing, so I currently have no clue which roads are open or closed.

Regarding Kevin...I have no clue how to tackle this. I've never heard of meets where they've ostracized attendants, and I don't want to start that precedent. I'll leave myself neutral on the issue, and hopefully we come to some sort of consensus in the coming days. I do recall being like him, trying to attend and suggest ideas for meets near and far, so I can understand his viewpoint.

Quote from: noelbotevera on July 03, 2019, 10:06:24 PM
Regarding Kevin...I have no clue how to tackle this. I've never heard of meets where they've ostracized attendants, and I don't want to start that precedent. I'll leave myself neutral on the issue, and hopefully we come to some sort of consensus in the coming days. I do recall being like him, trying to attend and suggest ideas for meets near and far, so I can understand his viewpoint.

I've been on this forum for several years now. There was a time when I used to express ideas of, "Oh wouldn't it be cool if someone hosted a meet in such-and-such place?" The reason I used to express those ideas was because I wanted a reason to visit these random places. Well, that's what prompted me to come up with my "city meet" concept. If I want a reason to visit a random place that I otherwise have no reason to visit, I'm going to create a reason, host an event, and invite folks along even if it's a place I know nothing about and can't scout beforehand. I have to give some credit to Steve Alpert who gave me some inspiration for this idea. He has a philosophy of, "If you want to create an event, host it and invite others."

About the Pittsburgh meet, I'll definitely be there. I'm very much looking forward to it!

Thanks for the additional insight, Hot Rod.

I certainly have no problem with people suggesting places for meetups, but saying they'll actually host when they're actually unable is another matter. 

Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 03, 2019, 09:40:37 PM
The "chance of rain" wasn't what cancelled the meet, it was the lack of involvement by Kevin's parents that killed that meet. They didn't know what Kevin was doing till a week before, and they prevented Kevin from attending, much less hosting, said meet.

Why didn't he get them involved sooner?

Quote from: vdeane on July 04, 2019, 08:37:43 PM

Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 03, 2019, 09:40:37 PM
The "chance of rain" wasn't what cancelled the meet, it was the lack of involvement by Kevin's parents that killed that meet. They didn't know what Kevin was doing till a week before, and they prevented Kevin from attending, much less hosting, said meet.

Why didn't he get them involved sooner?

Kevin is older than 21, he thought he could do "adult" decisions, and then he panicked.

Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 03, 2019, 09:50:16 PM
I've been actively monitoring the itinerary in case I come up with any edits.

STOP IT, KEVIN!!  :whip:

Quote from: noelbotevera on July 03, 2019, 10:06:24 PM
The itinerary is essentially set in stone at this point, but for those who want to make last minute suggestions, then speak up now. I'm also setting the itinerary deadline at the same week of the restaurant, just to get last minute thoughts.

Might want to repost the current itinerary link so everybody can see it again.

Quote from: noelbotevera on July 03, 2019, 10:06:24 PM
Regarding communication, I'm unsure if I should post my personal cell phone number here. I hope I've written clear enough instructions on the itinerary, but the portion regarding 576 is constantly changing, so I currently have no clue which roads are open or closed.

I would not publicly post your cell # here.  Bots could pick it up and start spamming you robo calls as this section is visible to the public.

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 05, 2019, 05:10:54 AM

Quote from: noelbotevera on July 03, 2019, 10:06:24 PM
Regarding communication, I'm unsure if I should post my personal cell phone number here. I hope I've written clear enough instructions on the itinerary, but the portion regarding 576 is constantly changing, so I currently have no clue which roads are open or closed.

I would not publicly post your cell # here.  Bots could pick it up and start spamming you robo calls as this section is visible to the public.

Instead of posting your cell number here, post something on the Facebook event page that encourages attendees to send you a private message there if they feel they need your number.

Quote from: A.J. Bertin on July 05, 2019, 07:19:10 AM
Instead of posting your cell number here, post something on the Facebook event page that encourages attendees to send you a private message there if they feel they need your number.

That was the same exact thought that I had.  Another possibility, albeit a tedious one, is to PM folks who are going on here.  I suppose it isn't necessary for everyone to have the host's number either.  Plenty of us know each other and can pass the message along to others.  For example; I'm not certain that I'll be going yet, but if I do, I'll likely carpool with Alps.  Since he and I only live about 15 minutes from one and other, it makes sense.  In such a case, it wouldn't be necessary for both of us to have the host's number.  One of us is plenty sufficient.

Quote from: signalman on July 05, 2019, 08:03:13 AM

Quote from: A.J. Bertin on July 05, 2019, 07:19:10 AM
Instead of posting your cell number here, post something on the Facebook event page that encourages attendees to send you a private message there if they feel they need your number.

That was the same exact thought that I had.  Another possibility, albeit a tedious one, is to PM folks who are going on here.  I suppose it isn't necessary for everyone to have the host's number either.  Plenty of us know each other and can pass the message along to others.  For example; I'm not certain that I'll be going yet, but if I do, I'll likely carpool with Alps.  Since he and I only live about 15 minutes from one and other, it makes sense.  In such a case, it wouldn't be necessary for both of us to have the host's number.  One of us is plenty sufficient.

The only occasions I can think of where an attendee would need to have the host's phone number would be if the attendee is running late and wants to give the host a heads up, or if the attendee gets lost while on the tour. But if the host provides directions in the itinerary that are clear enough for everyone to understand, that shouldn't be an issue... as long as the attendee is following the directions carefully.

Quote from: A.J. Bertin on July 05, 2019, 01:45:09 PM

Quote from: signalman on July 05, 2019, 08:03:13 AM

Quote from: A.J. Bertin on July 05, 2019, 07:19:10 AM
Instead of posting your cell number here, post something on the Facebook event page that encourages attendees to send you a private message there if they feel they need your number.

That was the same exact thought that I had.  Another possibility, albeit a tedious one, is to PM folks who are going on here.  I suppose it isn't necessary for everyone to have the host's number either.  Plenty of us know each other and can pass the message along to others.  For example; I'm not certain that I'll be going yet, but if I do, I'll likely carpool with Alps.  Since he and I only live about 15 minutes from one and other, it makes sense.  In such a case, it wouldn't be necessary for both of us to have the host's number.  One of us is plenty sufficient.

The only occasions I can think of where an attendee would need to have the host's phone number would be if the attendee is running late and wants to give the host a heads up, or if the attendee gets lost while on the tour. But if the host provides directions in the itinerary that are clear enough for everyone to understand, that shouldn't be an issue... as long as the attendee is following the directions carefully.

Past practice has been to assemble as many phone numbers as possible so that as the host takes attendance at each stop, he's mostly guaranteed to have a contact number in whichever car may be lost. Since people switch cars it's best to get as many numbers as possible. The host often will print his number in the directions right up front so that any car can tell him if they need to stop or are lost.

My attendance is 50/50 right now for this meet, I will know for sure when Steph and I get back from our cross country road trip on 7/30, I am hoping to go but she more then likely will not be able to make it  :-/

Updating this thread to repost my itinerary. Remember that I still accept suggestions until the end of July.

Itinerary (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nn2wmcgFAHbPlWg4uPzLw-075HChJqiPtzcScl8OqmU/edit)

Quote from: noelbotevera on July 08, 2019, 04:58:14 PM
Updating this thread to repost my itinerary. Remember that I still accept suggestions until the end of July.

Itinerary (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nn2wmcgFAHbPlWg4uPzLw-075HChJqiPtzcScl8OqmU/edit)

Might need to tweak the TUNNEL MOSAIC part.  If I remember correctly, it's already been removed due to the pre-work for the capping of I-579.

I'm trying to find a link about this, but give me a chance to find it to prove it.

EDIT: Here. https://triblive.com/local/pittsburgh-allegheny/pittsburgh-preserving-historic-tunnel-mosaic-under-bigelow-boulevard/
So, hate to throw a wrench into the plans here. :(

Also some suggestions here (if the Bigelow tunnel part is sorta kept in due to my post above) and corrections that need to be made:

Quote
Ignore offers for parking and keep to the left or middle lanes to continue onto Bigelow Boulevard. Follow signs for Bigelow Boulevard (PA 380 East). Continue on Bigelow until you reach the Bloomfield Bridge, then turn left onto the bridge.

At the end of the bridge, continue straight onto Main Street. Turn left onto Penn Avenue or Butler Street, then turn right onto 40th Street. This can be somewhat tricky, as Main and 40th are relatively close together.

1) You CAN'T turn left from Bigelow onto the Bloomfield Bridge.  It's a prohibited turn. (https://goo.gl/maps/E2jF375U6PFbjETf6)  There's a separate 'ramp' before the bridge that you need to take to access the Bloomfield Bridge. https://goo.gl/maps/ZYQ1w8yxA3mHowyYA

2) After crossing the Bloomfield Bridge, here's a 10x better way to get to 40th Street.  Trust me from experience.

QuoteAt the end of the bridge, make sure you're in the left lane to turn left onto Liberty Avenue. Continue along Liberty Avenue to the next traffic light (which will be 40th Street & look for this sign to help (https://goo.gl/maps/jhDYLhDZsoPhdz6i7)) and turn right.  Then follow 40th Street down to the 40th Street Bridge.

Also, for the following section (Taking I-279 South to the end, merge onto I-376 West. STAY IN THE RIGHTMOST THROUGH LANE TO I-376 WEST. THE MERGE IS NOT FORGIVING.), it's still not fully explaining that.  I'll try to draw up a graphic for it for everybody. (now below)
(https://i.imgur.com/9BclHQy.png)

That looks complicated.  Thanks for the explanation.

Nexus 5X

EDITED TO ADD:  And even more interesting is that before 2009, this part of I-376 was also I-279, so you had to do this complicated lane change to stay on the same highway.
I doubt that the signs are adequate to warn people of this.  You probably get one big sign and then the feeling is "$#!%, I got to change lanes now."

Quote from: 74/171FAN on June 17, 2019, 09:37:09 PM
I personally have not committed as I am unsure how much I will be needed at a church event that day.

I most likely will not be coming unless I post otherwise.

Quote from: mrsman on July 09, 2019, 07:59:11 PM
That looks complicated.  Thanks for the explanation.

Nexus 5X

EDITED TO ADD:  And even more interesting is that before 2009, this part of I-376 was also I-279, so you had to do this complicated lane change to stay on the same highway.
I doubt that the signs are adequate to warn people of this.  You probably get one big sign and then the feeling is "$#!%, I got to change lanes now."

You don't even really get a big sign except on the "Portal Bridge" (https://goo.gl/maps/Py2BZCtu69LfHwcX6) (and it even doesn't tell you you'll have merge to continue on I-376).  Since you're on the lower deck of each bridge, all you get are 'mini' signs that you can possibly miss since they're hidden up in the bridge above you.
https://goo.gl/maps/NfYwQ4rwBFNNdW3y7

Even in that StreetView image above, you can see the insanity this can bring, as they are backed up onto the Fort Duquesne Bridge and you see see the people fighting to merge over if you rotate the image around 180.  And this is before the ~ insanity that is called the Fort Pitt Bridge since you now have the WB I-376 traffic to deal with & a ramp from Downtown (that has a stop sign and merges with I-279 SB just before the WB I-376 lanes join in). lol.

I've seen a lot of 'OH FUCK' drivers trying to merge at the last second on the Fort Pitt Bridge once they realize that they are going to be forced onto PA-837 towards the West End Circle.

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 11, 2019, 09:26:59 PMYou don't even really get a big sign except on the "Portal Bridge" (https://goo.gl/maps/Py2BZCtu69LfHwcX6) (and it even doesn't tell you you'll have merge to continue on I-376).

Side bar comment: interesting way of treating what was once a numbered exit off I-279 (blank-green exit tab) prior to the truncated I-279/extended I-376 conversion.

Quote from: PHLBOS on July 12, 2019, 08:51:47 AM

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 11, 2019, 09:26:59 PMYou don't even really get a big sign except on the "Portal Bridge" (https://goo.gl/maps/Py2BZCtu69LfHwcX6) (and it even doesn't tell you you'll have merge to continue on I-376).

Side bar comment: interesting way of treating what was once a numbered exit off I-279 (blank-green exit tab) prior to the truncated I-279/extended I-376 conversion.

It probably should still have an exit number as you are still on current I-279 at that point.

Maybe both directions of I-376 need exit numbers.

And as far as the mini-signs that were posted by Rick, they are slightly misleading.
They say:

Left lane (#1 lane): This lane Convention Center
Second to left lane (#2 lane): This lane Ft Duquesne Blvd
Second to right lane (#3 lane) This lane Monroeville
Right lane (#4 lane): 376 West Airport

Both the #3 and #4 lanes allow you access to 376 West.  It isn't clear from this sign alone that both lanes provide the access.

Quote from: mrsman on July 12, 2019, 12:49:09 PM

Quote from: PHLBOS on July 12, 2019, 08:51:47 AM

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 11, 2019, 09:26:59 PMYou don't even really get a big sign except on the "Portal Bridge" (https://goo.gl/maps/Py2BZCtu69LfHwcX6) (and it even doesn't tell you you'll have merge to continue on I-376).

Side bar comment: interesting way of treating what was once a numbered exit off I-279 (blank-green exit tab) prior to the truncated I-279/extended I-376 conversion.

It probably should still have an exit number as you are still on current I-279 at that point.

Maybe both directions of I-376 need exit numbers.

At present, many but not all Interstate termini interchanges in PA are unnumbered... especially at the southern or western ones.  Otherwise, yes both directions would have exit (XX A/XX B) numbers.

Quote from: mrsman on July 12, 2019, 12:49:09 PM
And as far as the mini-signs that were posted by Rick, they are slightly misleading.
They say:

Left lane (#1 lane): This lane Convention Center
Second to left lane (#2 lane): This lane Ft Duquesne Blvd
Second to right lane (#3 lane) This lane Monroeville
Right lane (#4 lane): 376 West Airport

Both the #3 and #4 lanes allow you access to 376 West.  It isn't clear from this sign alone that both lanes provide the access.

Go farther back on the bridge.  There's a few more sets.  I just linked the final set.  Plus, they don't have the room to put everything there.  Especially since you NEED to be in the #3 lane for the I-376 East 'Monroeville' maneuver.

Quote from: PHLBOS on July 12, 2019, 01:10:44 PM

Quote from: mrsman on July 12, 2019, 12:49:09 PM

Quote from: PHLBOS on July 12, 2019, 08:51:47 AM

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 11, 2019, 09:26:59 PMYou don't even really get a big sign except on the "Portal Bridge" (https://goo.gl/maps/Py2BZCtu69LfHwcX6) (and it even doesn't tell you you'll have merge to continue on I-376).

Side bar comment: interesting way of treating what was once a numbered exit off I-279 (blank-green exit tab) prior to the truncated I-279/extended I-376 conversion.

It probably should still have an exit number as you are still on current I-279 at that point.

Maybe both directions of I-376 need exit numbers.

At present, many but not all Interstate termini interchanges in PA are unnumbered... especially at the southern or western ones.  Otherwise, yes both directions would have exit (XX A/XX B) numbers.

Would have been a perfect place for an exit '0', since '1A' is used by previous exit for the 10th Street Bypass/Ft Duquesne Blvd.

And I would have just given the 'I-376 West' one an exit number since the other used to be (and I think is still considered) mainline I-279 SB.

Historically, Interstate-to-Interstate interchanges were not numbered but rather designated "JUNCTION" such as I-79/I-80 was prior to the exit number conversion.

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 09, 2019, 12:48:18 AM
Also some suggestions here (if the Bigelow tunnel part is sorta kept in due to my post above) and corrections that need to be made:

Also, for the following section (Taking I-279 South to the end, merge onto I-376 West. STAY IN THE RIGHTMOST THROUGH LANE TO I-376 WEST. THE MERGE IS NOT FORGIVING.), it's still not fully explaining that.  I'll try to draw up a graphic for it for everybody. (now below)
(https://i.imgur.com/9BclHQy.png)

(after looking at the itinerary for the first time, last night)
(to anyone and no one in particular) Is there any reason for us NOT to follow PA 65 to West End Bridge, cross and take US 19 to I-376 west instead?

Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 18, 2019, 08:47:43 PM
(after looking at the itinerary for the first time, last night)
(to anyone and no one in particular) Is there any reason for us NOT to follow PA 65 to West End Bridge, cross and take US 19 to I-376 west instead?

Nice catch.

Quote from: noelbotevera on July 18, 2019, 09:14:35 PM

Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 18, 2019, 08:47:43 PM
(after looking at the itinerary for the first time, last night)
(to anyone and no one in particular) Is there any reason for us NOT to follow PA 65 to West End Bridge, cross and take US 19 to I-376 west instead?

Nice catch.

Then this would be better for that line:

QuoteTaking I-279 South towards it's Southern end, take Exit 1C onto PA 65 North (Ohio River Blvd) towards US 19. After a mile, exit onto US 19 South, & turn left & cross the West End Bridge. (NOTE: Pay attention to overhead lane markers, as bridge has variable lanes). Stay on US 19 for a mile, and merge onto I-376 West.

ANYWAYS, there IS a reason NOT to go that way right now.  US-19/PA-51 in that area is under heavy road construction between the West End Bridge & I-376.
https://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2019/01/15/PennDOT-Route-51-19-repavement-Duquesne-Heights-Shaler-Street-bridge-replacement-West-End-Circle/stories/201901150156

Also current construction status on it: https://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=3534

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 18, 2019, 09:38:29 PM

Quote from: noelbotevera on July 18, 2019, 09:14:35 PM

Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 18, 2019, 08:47:43 PM
(after looking at the itinerary for the first time, last night)
(to anyone and no one in particular) Is there any reason for us NOT to follow PA 65 to West End Bridge, cross and take US 19 to I-376 west instead?

Nice catch.

Then this would be better for that line:

QuoteTaking I-279 South towards it's Southern end, take Exit 1C onto PA 65 North (Ohio River Blvd) towards US 19. After a mile, exit onto US 19 South, & turn left & cross the West End Bridge. (NOTE: Pay attention to overhead lane markers, as bridge has variable lanes). Stay on US 19 for a mile, and merge onto I-376 West.

ANYWAYS, there IS a reason NOT to go that way right now.  US-19/PA-51 in that area is under heavy road construction between the West End Bridge & I-376.
https://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2019/01/15/PennDOT-Route-51-19-repavement-Duquesne-Heights-Shaler-Street-bridge-replacement-West-End-Circle/stories/201901150156

Also current construction status on it: https://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=3534

Heavy road construction sounds cool.

Quote from: Alps on July 19, 2019, 12:32:37 AM

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 18, 2019, 09:38:29 PM

Quote from: noelbotevera on July 18, 2019, 09:14:35 PM

Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 18, 2019, 08:47:43 PM
(after looking at the itinerary for the first time, last night)
(to anyone and no one in particular) Is there any reason for us NOT to follow PA 65 to West End Bridge, cross and take US 19 to I-376 west instead?

Nice catch.

Then this would be better for that line:

QuoteTaking I-279 South towards it's Southern end, take Exit 1C onto PA 65 North (Ohio River Blvd) towards US 19. After a mile, exit onto US 19 South, & turn left & cross the West End Bridge. (NOTE: Pay attention to overhead lane markers, as bridge has variable lanes). Stay on US 19 for a mile, and merge onto I-376 West.

ANYWAYS, there IS a reason NOT to go that way right now.  US-19/PA-51 in that area is under heavy road construction between the West End Bridge & I-376.
https://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2019/01/15/PennDOT-Route-51-19-repavement-Duquesne-Heights-Shaler-Street-bridge-replacement-West-End-Circle/stories/201901150156

Also current construction status on it: https://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=3534

Heavy road construction sounds cool.

If there was a good vantage point to look at it from. LOL. ;)

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 18, 2019, 09:38:29 PM

Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 18, 2019, 08:47:43 PM
(after looking at the itinerary for the first time, last night)
(to anyone and no one in particular) Is there any reason for us NOT to follow PA 65 to West End Bridge, cross and take US 19 to I-376 west instead?

ANYWAYS, there IS a reason NOT to go that way right now.  US-19/PA-51 in that area is under heavy road construction between the West End Bridge & I-376.
https://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2019/01/15/PennDOT-Route-51-19-repavement-Duquesne-Heights-Shaler-Street-bridge-replacement-West-End-Circle/stories/201901150156

Also current construction status on it: https://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=3534

So which would be the better alternative?

Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 19, 2019, 09:48:03 PM

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 18, 2019, 09:38:29 PM

Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 18, 2019, 08:47:43 PM
(after looking at the itinerary for the first time, last night)
(to anyone and no one in particular) Is there any reason for us NOT to follow PA 65 to West End Bridge, cross and take US 19 to I-376 west instead?

ANYWAYS, there IS a reason NOT to go that way right now.  US-19/PA-51 in that area is under heavy road construction between the West End Bridge & I-376.
https://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2019/01/15/PennDOT-Route-51-19-repavement-Duquesne-Heights-Shaler-Street-bridge-replacement-West-End-Circle/stories/201901150156

Also current construction status on it: https://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=3534

So which would be the better alternative?

Honestly, which ever you prefer to attempt. lol.

Apologies if this has already been addressed or if I'm missing something, but I've been looking at the itinerary and I'm really struggling to follow it.

Under Bigelow Boulevard, it says to follow PA 885 as long as possible, into downtown Pittsburgh, then turn right on Grant St, which you'll follow 5 blocks to Sixth Ave. However, from looking at Google Maps, 885 follows Blvd of the Allies (https://goo.gl/maps/GTD48kaJ3qSA59DYA), which leads you to ramps for the Liberty Bridge or I-579 north (https://goo.gl/maps/TUeJsAx8J1W3hgRn9). To get to Grant St downtown, it looks like you'd have to get on I-376 west instead, and then take Exit 71A, which leads you right to Grant St (albeit a block south of where this itinerary implies). While Blvd of the Allies is 2-way where it meets Grant St, the only way to get to that point is from the Liberty Bridge. There's no way to continue west on Blvd of the Allies at the Liberty Bridge/579 interchange: https://goo.gl/maps/dumtHrJ6bTQJGhFH9

Some other comments, from the perspective of someone who has never been to Pittsburgh and is not familiar with these roads:

• The itinerary begins with "head southbound on PA 885" despite the start location being a mile and a half to the east off PA 837 in Homestead
• In general, it's probably best to list the actual signed destinations, to help people follow these directions. For example, the "ramp to the Bloomfield Bridge" is signed as just "Liberty Ave/Bloomfield", and PA 65 north is Exit 1C, signed as Ohio River Blvd, with no mention of US 19.
• PA 28 does not end at I-279. It continues another half mile to a signal at Anderson St. You want to direct people toward the ramp on the right here: https://goo.gl/maps/zEPvYaThxJDPfBueA
• The right turn from Laurel Hill Rd is onto Kenneweg Ave: https://goo.gl/maps/PwMgauqEEdNHs4qcA It's not Cecil-Reissing Rd yet at that point.
• The road you turn onto from Cecil-Reissing Rd to get over to Cecil-Sturgeon Rd is called Rigert's Hill Rd

I hope these comments aren't taken as too critical, I just thought I'd offer them in order to help the meet run smoothly and prevent people from getting lost and missing or delaying stops. And I am still on the fence about attending.

I appreciate the feedback, as always. I'm not an expert on Pittsburgh roads, and signage is just...weird (and writing directions has never been my forte). I'll have to look through the itinerary with a fine toothed comb soon, but for now I've decided to choose a lunch location since so many recommended doing that. I've chosen the Primanti Bros. that's located in Homestead; sooner or later I'm going to see if I can't reserve a table or bar seats.

Aside from correcting errors, whatever I have there probably won't change anytime soon.

Quote from: noelbotevera on July 22, 2019, 01:57:18 PM
I've chosen the Primanti Bros. that's located in Homestead; sooner or later I'm going to see if I can't reserve a table or bar seats.

Bar seats are not conducive to conversations within the meet group. I suggest holding out for a table, and finding out whether you can count on getting a table (or tables moved together, depending on any late RSVPs). I suggest also finding out sooner rather than later whether the meet group will likely fit, even if you're not ready to make a reservation for a specific number of people.

I too am on the fence on this one, though more on the "unlikely" side due to multiple potential schedule conflicts.

EDIT: Out for this one, with two conflicts that weekend (one of which I had to say "no" to). Summer is normally a good time to schedule meets, but a downside is that's when many other events get scheduled too.

I'm also out for the Milwaukee meet (so will miss A.J.'s birthday -- sorry!). Relatives flying in from Minnesota that weekend.

Quote from: oscar on July 22, 2019, 02:38:14 PM

Quote from: noelbotevera on July 22, 2019, 01:57:18 PM
I've chosen the Primanti Bros. that's located in Homestead; sooner or later I'm going to see if I can't reserve a table or bar seats.

Bar seats are not conducive to conversations within the meet group. I suggest holding out for a table, and finding out whether you can count on getting a table (or tables moved together, depending on any late RSVPs). I suggest also finding out sooner rather than later whether the meet group will likely fit, even if you're not ready to make a reservation for a specific number of people.

I too am on the fence on this one, though more on the "unlikely" side due to multiple potential schedule conflicts.

Nail down that restaurant this week. Oscar is right, we'll need a table. Preferably a separate section. Primanti's should be big enough to handle that for us.

Quote from: noelbotevera on July 22, 2019, 01:57:18 PM
I appreciate the feedback, as always. I'm not an expert on Pittsburgh roads, and signage is just...weird (and writing directions has never been my forte).

I'd throw the 'route' into Google Maps at least once to flesh stuff out.  It SHOULD have all current turn restrictions in it.

====

On a side note, they have been doing some work on the Parkway East, and been having random weekend shutdowns.  Bad news is that they don't announce the weekend shutdowns till like 2-3 days before they plan on doing it....  So, I'll try to keep an eye on news reports in case any last minute adjustments need to be done due to closures.

This page might help keep us up-to-date on possible issues with the Parkway and any traffic issues it might give the meet.
https://www.penndot.gov/RegionalOffices/district-11/ConstructionsProjectsAndRoadwork/Pages/Parkway-East.aspx

So, just curious, but who'd be up for carpooling during the meet? Car is having major issues ATM, so don't want to drive it too far.  Would prefer to hook up with somebody at the pre-meet location Downtown if possible.  PM me.

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 26, 2019, 01:50:36 AM
So, just curious, but who'd be up for carpooling during the meet? Car is having major issues ATM, so don't want to drive it too far.  Would prefer to hook up with somebody at the pre-meet location Downtown if possible.  PM me.

I figured we were going to consolidate into fewer vehicles after lunch, like we've done at 99% of the meets I've attended.

Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 27, 2019, 09:39:12 PM

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 26, 2019, 01:50:36 AM
So, just curious, but who'd be up for carpooling during the meet? Car is having major issues ATM, so don't want to drive it too far.  Would prefer to hook up with somebody at the pre-meet location Downtown if possible.  PM me.

I figured we were going to consolidate into fewer vehicles after lunch, like we've done at 99% of the meets I've attended.

I'm guessing this will be the first road meet rickmastfan67 has attended.

Quote from: A.J. Bertin on July 27, 2019, 09:40:39 PM

Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 27, 2019, 09:39:12 PM

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 26, 2019, 01:50:36 AM
So, just curious, but who'd be up for carpooling during the meet? Car is having major issues ATM, so don't want to drive it too far.  Would prefer to hook up with somebody at the pre-meet location Downtown if possible.  PM me.

I figured we were going to consolidate into fewer vehicles after lunch, like we've done at 99% of the meets I've attended.

I'm guessing this will be the first road meet rickmastfan67 has attended.

Bingo. lol.

But I also live closer to the 'pre-meet' part Downtown, thus why I'd like to hook up with somebody else there first if possible. ;)

If I do make it to the meet I plan to drive my Kia Spectra that seats 3 people besides myself.

I wasn't sure whether to post this here or on the Facebook event, but I have the impression that perhaps Alex checks this forum a bit more often than he checks the Facebook event.

Anyway, I have some questions:

1. I'm confused about what time the pre-meet will begin. One spot on the Facebook event says 10 a.m., but I also saw 10:30 or 11:00 as possible times. (I think the itinerary last said 11:00.)
2. For those of us who are attending the pre-meet, where exactly are we meeting... the free parking lot at near the bottom of the Duquesne Incline, the top of the incline (Upper Station along Grandview Ave.), or perhaps the Grandview Overlook which is a little ways to the southeast of Upper Station?
3. Is the itinerary on Facebook the most current version? If not, when will the latest version be posted?
4. Will printed copies of the itinerary be available at the meet, or should the attendees plan on printing our own copies and bringing them along?
5. For the folks who can't make the pre-meet activity, what time should they plan on arriving at Primanti Brothers in Homestead?

I'm really looking forward to this meet! Only a week away. :)

Quote from: A.J. Bertin on August 03, 2019, 12:10:48 PM
I wasn't sure whether to post this here or on the Facebook event, but I have the impression that perhaps Alex checks this forum a bit more often than he checks the Facebook event.

Anyway, I have some questions:

1. I'm confused about what time the pre-meet will begin. One spot on the Facebook event says 10 a.m., but I also saw 10:30 or 11:00 as possible times. (I think the itinerary last said 11:00.)
2. For those of us who are attending the pre-meet, where exactly are we meeting... the free parking lot at near the bottom of the Duquesne Incline, the top of the incline (Upper Station along Grandview Ave.), or perhaps the Grandview Overlook which is a little ways to the southeast of Upper Station?
3. Is the itinerary on Facebook the most current version? If not, when will the latest version be posted?
4. Will printed copies of the itinerary be available at the meet, or should the attendees plan on printing our own copies and bringing them along?
5. For the folks who can't make the pre-meet activity, what time should they plan on arriving at Primanti Brothers in Homestead?

I'm really looking forward to this meet! Only a week away. :)

1. I haven't updated the Facebook event. Yes, it should say 11:00.
2. I suppose the free parking lot will do. Since many aren't planning to attend the pre-meet, the lot should have ample room.
3. The forum one is outdated; I need to do a final pass through Google Maps and correct errors. At that point, I'll repost the itinerary; it'll definitely be ready come meet time.
4. I'll print out ten or so copies and staple them together. Though if you'd like, you can print out your own.
5. I'm not particular when people arrive; they can arrive during lunch if they can't make it. But since lunch is at noon, arriving somewhere around 11:45-12:00 should be fine.

For carpoolers: We'll be shifting cars around at Homestead. So plan around that, if you can.

Quote from: noelbotevera on August 03, 2019, 03:41:32 PM

Quote from: A.J. Bertin on August 03, 2019, 12:10:48 PM
I wasn't sure whether to post this here or on the Facebook event, but I have the impression that perhaps Alex checks this forum a bit more often than he checks the Facebook event.

Anyway, I have some questions:

1. I'm confused about what time the pre-meet will begin. One spot on the Facebook event says 10 a.m., but I also saw 10:30 or 11:00 as possible times. (I think the itinerary last said 11:00.)
2. For those of us who are attending the pre-meet, where exactly are we meeting... the free parking lot at near the bottom of the Duquesne Incline, the top of the incline (Upper Station along Grandview Ave.), or perhaps the Grandview Overlook which is a little ways to the southeast of Upper Station?
3. Is the itinerary on Facebook the most current version? If not, when will the latest version be posted?
4. Will printed copies of the itinerary be available at the meet, or should the attendees plan on printing our own copies and bringing them along?
5. For the folks who can't make the pre-meet activity, what time should they plan on arriving at Primanti Brothers in Homestead?

I'm really looking forward to this meet! Only a week away. :)

1. I haven't updated the Facebook event. Yes, it should say 11:00.
2. I suppose the free parking lot will do. Since many aren't planning to attend the pre-meet, the lot should have ample room.
3. The forum one is outdated; I need to do a final pass through Google Maps and correct errors. At that point, I'll repost the itinerary; it'll definitely be ready come meet time.
4. I'll print out ten or so copies and staple them together. Though if you'd like, you can print out your own.
5. I'm not particular when people arrive; they can arrive during lunch if they can't make it. But since lunch is at noon, arriving somewhere around 11:45-12:00 should be fine.

For carpoolers: We'll be shifting cars around at Homestead. So plan around that, if you can.

Thanks for your quick response to my questions and providing clarification. For now, I have one thought in response...

I visited the website for the Duquesne Incline: http://www.duquesneincline.org/ . I can't tell from the website how often the ride departs from the bottom of the hill. Does anyone know? If we are supposed to gather at 11:00 at the bottom of the hill, how long will the wait be before we can ride it to the top? Let's say, in theory, we don't get to the top of the hill until 11:30. We'll want some time for photos, and then we'll have to wait for a ride back to the bottom of the hill where our cars are. I can't imagine us getting back to the bottom of the hill until at least noon, but you're saying that we're supposed to be at lunch in Homestead by noon. According to Google Maps, it's a 14-minute drive from the bottom of the hill to the Primanti Brothers in Homestead. We will likely not be at Primanti Brothers until at least 12:15. Allow a buffer for traffic/delays/stragglers and we're looking at 12:30. Primanti Brothers is a sit-down restaurant, and everyone would ideally be arriving at the restaurant at the same time... regardless of whether folks do the pre-meet activity or not. Steve suggested 9:30 as a meet-up time at the Duquesne Incline. I don't know if it's necessary to be there that early, but I would say 10 or 10:30 would be better than 11:00 and not cutting it so close for driving from there to Homestead.

One thing I noticed about the Duquesne Incline, is that you MUST have CASH on hand.  So, have $5 on hand for the round trip (if the fares are current on their website).
http://www.duquesneincline.org/indexe6b4.html?page=hoursandfares

Quote from: A.J. Bertin on August 03, 2019, 09:45:52 PM
I visited the website for the Duquesne Incline: http://www.duquesneincline.org/ . I can't tell from the website how often the ride departs from the bottom of the hill. Does anyone know? If we are supposed to gather at 11:00 at the bottom of the hill, how long will the wait be before we can ride it to the top? Let's say, in theory, we don't get to the top of the hill until 11:30. We'll want some time for photos, and then we'll have to wait for a ride back to the bottom of the hill where our cars are. I can't imagine us getting back to the bottom of the hill until at least noon, but you're saying that we're supposed to be at lunch in Homestead by noon.

We also would have to factor in an extra 10 minute wait in each dirrection.  Saw this on their website:

QuoteSaturday's and Sunday's after noon are our busiest times. Expect to wait in line for about 10 minutes in both directions.

I would strongly encourage the pre-meet to start at 10:00 so that lunch can start at a reasonable hour. There is enough to see in a crowded city after lunch that starting the pre-meet at 11 will cause issues.

Alright, we MAY have issues with the Parkway East this upcoming weekend.

QuoteAdditionally, expansion dam replacement work will occur on the Second Avenue off-ramp and a westbound mainline restriction will occur the weekend of August 9-12. Restriction details will be provided in advance of the scheduled work.

https://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=3641

Of course, they're not going to say exactly what they're going to be doing just yet....  :ded:  Because if it's down to 1 lane, that will be a major issue.  Hope it's going to be nighttime stuff, but who knows.

Ok, I've pruned through the itinerary as best I can. I can't vouch for PA 576's accuracy, but I did try to correct other errors or clarify certain parts. I've also edited time estimations, but they are very rough. Come meet time, I may actually remove them from the itinerary.

Itinerary link (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nn2wmcgFAHbPlWg4uPzLw-075HChJqiPtzcScl8OqmU/edit?fbclid=IwAR0En-4cuQjBymQqb3bZhTwdeJCBWxslrt7KrZcAGKhUeM389nZ5ASFgsu0)

Quote from: noelbotevera on August 05, 2019, 12:59:04 PM
I've also edited time estimations, but they are very rough. Come meet time, I may actually remove them from the itinerary.

You wouldn't be the first (I've lopped off tour stops twice)

I know I originally said I'd help oversee the meet planning, but life etc. So I'll help make decisions as we go. First decision out of the way - lunch starts at 12. As the meet goes, I'm sure we'll be at the last stop later than planned, and we can figure out the remaining leg from there.

QuoteBIGELOW BOULEVARD
Estimated Time: 2:45 PM (turning onto Bigelow Boulevard)
Follow signs for PA 885 North to I-376 West. Do note that a left turn from Bates Street to Blvd. of the Allies is unsigned. Turn left onto Blvd. of the Allies. Keep right and exit for I-376 West to Downtown. Take Exit 71B and follow Second Avenue to its end at Ross Street. Turn right on Ross and continue straight. Due to construction, the tunnel mosaic has been removed.

HEADS UP! Exit #71B is CLOSED this entire weekend.  So is the Blvd of the Allies onramp to I-376 that is mentioned above.  We will need to adjust.

QuoteExpansion dam replacement work, requiring ramp closures with detours, will occur from 8 p.m. Friday night continuously through 5 a.m. Monday morning in the following locations:

    Inbound (northbound) Boulevard of the Allies ramp to inbound (westbound) I-376 Parkway East

    Inbound (westbound) I-376 Parkway East ramp to Second Avenue (Exit 71B)

https://www.penndot.gov/RegionalOffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=3654

Even worse, the Boulevard of the Allies will be undergoing repaving the entire weekend between the Bates & the I-376 ramps, so, major delays might happen along there.

QuoteSingle-lane restrictions will occur in both directions on the Boulevard of the Allies between the Birmingham Bridge and Bates Street from 8 p.m. Friday night through 6 a.m. Monday morning for milling and paving operations. Travel lanes will be reduced to a 10-foot width in both directions.

https://www.penndot.gov/RegionalOffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=3652

So, with the two ramps we would have used on Saturday scheduled to be closed, I recommend one of the following 3 routes as a replacements.

1) PA-837 -> Birmingham Bridge -> Fifth Ave -> Washington Pl -> PA-380 (Bigelow Blvd) (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/40.3898285,-79.9328014/40.4451304,-79.9893345/@40.3913374,-79.949136,15z/data=!4m19!4m18!1m15!3m4!1m2!1d-79.9661686!2d40.4265488!3s0x8834f1767a193315:0x91a7940000f18561!3m4!1m2!1d-79.9737296!2d40.4323275!3s0x8834f17a977b1fdb:0x800cb37e3ae22fba!3m4!1m2!1d-79.9912372!2d40.4400337!3s0x8834f15ec62c3e7f:0x3c34b622407f9152!1m0!3e0)
This route would take you right beside PPG Paints Arena (home of the Pittsburgh Penguins) if you're the type that like to mark off areas that you've seen at least. ;)

2) PA-837 -> 10th St Bridge -> Armstrong Tunnel -> Forbes Ave -> Chatham Sq/Washington Pl -> PA-380 (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/40.3898285,-79.9328014/40.4451304,-79.9893345/@40.4177553,-79.992167,13.75z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m10!3m4!1m2!1d-79.9857173!2d40.4287695!3s0x8834f169eee114ff:0x3dc71739c7fe464c!3m4!1m2!1d-79.9912372!2d40.4400337!3s0x8834f15ec62c3e7f:0x3c34b622407f9152!1m0!3e0)

3) PA-885 -> Blvd. of the Allies -> I-579 -> PA-380 (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/40.3898285,-79.9328014/40.4451304,-79.9893345/@40.419291,-79.9717017,13.75z/data=!4m9!4m8!1m5!3m4!1m2!1d-79.9863384!2d40.4351198!3s0x8834f1678477ac05:0x9682a0e08d56c80d!1m0!3e0)
This one requires the least amount of modification to the original plans, but due to the construction, odds are will take the longest.

If I had to choose one of them, I would think that #1 would offer the safest route, as you will probably not have to fight with much of the I-376 detour traffic.

Following rickmastfan67's suggestions, I've since updated the itinerary, using the #1 route suggested. I wrote off #2 as an alternative, since the 10th Street Bridge is architecturally interesting and some may not have driven it if they didn't go to the pre meet.

They're under the Bigelow Boulevard section.

Updated itinerary (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nn2wmcgFAHbPlWg4uPzLw-075HChJqiPtzcScl8OqmU/edit?fbclid=IwAR0En-4cuQjBymQqb3bZhTwdeJCBWxslrt7KrZcAGKhUeM389nZ5ASFgsu0)

Also, heads up: Meet's in two days. Hope to see y'all there to make some roadmeet history!

QuoteThe bridge ends at Fifth Avenue. Turn left at the end of the bridge. After a few blocks on Fifth, turn right onto Washington Place. You are then forced to turn right onto PA 380.

That would be incorrect.  If you were 'forced' to turn right there, you'd be on Bedford Ave heading up to the I-579 HOV lane entrance.

This would be better to say:
After passing the intersection with Centre Ave, be in the center lane to slide right to access PA 380 (Bigelow Blvd).

Joy, and more joy.  PennDOT really wants to F us over.

https://www.penndot.gov/RegionalOffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=3675

QuoteLine painting operations will occur from 6 a.m. to 4 p.m. Saturday, August 10 on I-376 (Parkway West) in each direction between the Fort Pitt Tunnel and the Carnegie (Exit 65) interchange. Crews will also paint off and on-ramps.  Additionally, if time permits, crews will work on I-376 (Parkway West) between I-79 Washington/Erie (Exit 64A) and the Campbells Run Road (Exit 62) interchanges.

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Also, if anybody will be "trying" to use the Parkway East to get to the Lunch start, PennDOT will also be doing bridge inspections.  :banghead:

https://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=3667

QuotePittsburgh, PA – PennDOT District 11 is announcing inspection activities on I-376 (Parkway East) in the City of Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, will occur Saturday and Sunday, August 10-11 weather permitting.

Single-lane restrictions will occur on I-376 from 6 a.m. to noon each day in the following locations:

    The I-376 Frazier Street Bridge between the Oakland (Exit 72A) and Squirrel Hill/Homestead (Exit 74) interchanges. Work will occur outbound (eastbound) Saturday and inbound (westbound) on Sunday. Crews from the Mackin Engineering Company and the Sofis Rigging Company will conduct the work.

    Boulevard of the Allies ramps over I-376. Work will occur in both directions each day.  Additionally, this work will continue weeknights from 9 p.m. to 5 a.m. through late September. Crews from HDR Engineering and the Sofis Rigging Company will conduct the work.

HEADS UP PRE-MEET PEOPLE:

QuotePittsburgh, PA — PennDOT District 11 is announcing roadway improvement work on Route 837 (West Carson Street) in the City of Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, will occur Saturday and Sunday, August 10-11 weather permitting.

Single-lane restrictions on Route 837 will occur as needed between the Smithfield Street Bridge and the West End Circle as crews conduct concrete patching. Lane restrictions will occur from 2 a.m. Saturday continuously through 6 a.m. Sunday morning.

https://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=3668

Thanks for posting these.  Even though I will not be there, I am heavily concerned about how this meet is going to go, but I am hoping for the best.

Quote from: 74/171FAN on August 10, 2019, 09:48:54 AM
Thanks for posting these.  Even though I will not be there, I am heavily concerned about how this meet is going to go, but I am hoping for the best.

I hope it went well, too. One big reason I opted not to attend was concern for the meet's organization -- but PennDOT construction being announced at the last minute can't really be held against the planner or the itinerary.

In my opinion, the meet ended up going just fine. It wasn't perfect (is any road meet "perfect" though?), but one thing that made it an overall success was that Alex was open to suggestions. Steve kinda helped him out. It was a beautiful day and ended up being a lot of fun!

Thanks again, Alex, for hosting this meet! I truly enjoyed myself. :)

Beyond us getting stuck on a dirt road with big pot holes going to Exit #15 (which WAS accessible), I think it went off pretty well, especially with us finishing well before the estimated end time. 

We also got REALLY lucky with traffic.  Especially since we didn't have to go onto the Boulevard of the Allies, which WAS backed up really bad as we saw from the Birmingham Bridge when crossing it.

So, great job Alex!

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 11, 2019, 12:25:59 AM
Beyond us getting stuck on a dirt road with big pot holes going to Exit #15 (which WAS accessible), I think it went off pretty well, especially with us finishing well before the estimated end time. 

We also got REALLY lucky with traffic.  Especially since we didn't have to go onto the Boulevard of the Allies, which WAS backed up really bad as we saw from the Birmingham Bridge when crossing it.

So, great job Alex!

So that explains the dirt in Adam's tailpipe.

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 11, 2019, 12:25:59 AM
Beyond us getting stuck on a dirt road with big pot holes going to Exit #15 (which WAS accessible), I think it went off pretty well, especially with us finishing well before the estimated end time. 

We also got REALLY lucky with traffic.  Especially since we didn't have to go onto the Boulevard of the Allies, which WAS backed up really bad as we saw from the Birmingham Bridge when crossing it.

So, great job Alex!

I've driven on worse dirt roads. It was unexpected but no one suffered a flat. So yeah it was a little messy but by far a successful meet. We didn't lose anyone unintentionally.

I write off this meet as an overall success. I was honestly surprised by the overall turnout; I expected no more than 15 people but somehow managed to rake in 21.

I accept responsibility for the fairly messy ending (everyone out by PA 50 rather than back at Homestead), the nightmare that was Cecil Reissing Road (didn't know it was dirt), itinerary errors, and being slightly late to lunch.

But hey - at least we never lost entire cars and everyone actually made it to each stop, with the tour wrapping up a lot earlier than predicted.

Thanks to everyone who's assisted me with writing the itinerary and planning a road meet - who knows, I might try again next year!

Quote from: noelbotevera on August 11, 2019, 08:50:29 AM
I write off this meet as an overall success.

I would agree.

Quote from: noelbotevera on August 11, 2019, 08:50:29 AM
I accept responsibility for the fairly messy ending (everyone out by PA 50 rather than back at Homestead), the nightmare that was Cecil Reissing Road (didn't know it was dirt), itinerary errors, and being slightly late to lunch.

It's noble of you to take responsibility for these issues. Honestly though, for your first meet, it went pretty well. You'll learn from these mistakes which means that your next meet will be better!

Quote from: noelbotevera on August 11, 2019, 08:50:29 AM
But hey - at least we never lost entire cars and everyone actually made it to each stop, with the tour wrapping up a lot earlier than predicted.

Absolutely.

Quote from: noelbotevera on August 11, 2019, 08:50:29 AM
Thanks to everyone who's assisted me with writing the itinerary and planning a road meet - who knows, I might try again next year!

I hope you do!

I fell on my face at the US 22 / Tpk 576 interchange, but overall I had a great time