Well as slow as this project has been it looks like construction will finally begin on the last 2 phases of SR 641 this year. All the trees have successfully been cleared. Power line poles are currently being moved. The delay was caused because of 3 reasons. The first was that the Indiana bat was found along the construction limits. The 2nd reason was because of wetlands. The US Engineering Corps took forever to approve the 641 routing. The 3rd reason was because a lawyer was angry the highway was going through his property and claimed the state gave him less than what the property was worth. It went to court and the judge sided with INDOT.
Now that all that crap is out of the way, SR 641 construction is about to begin. Since I live in Terre Haute I will keep you all updated on the project.
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The roadway designed to circumvent southside Terre Haute's traffic congestion and connect major transportation arteries to the city's south and east won't be completed for nearly another three years. If popularity of the portion of Indiana 641 already open is any indication, that completion date will be eagerly anticipated...
Still a long road: Completion of Terre Haute's $150 million bypass almost 3 years away (http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.com/main.asp?FromHome=1&TypeID=1&ArticleID=74109&SectionID=31&SubSectionID=237) (Indiana Economic Digest)
Geez... I remember that road being worked on when I drove to ISU weekly....8 years ago!
Dirt work has started at the future SR 641 / 46 interchange. The section from SR 46 to I-70 is supposed to have lane restrictions on or after June 30th according to a sign. Power line removal is pretty much done. Now just 2-3 more years and it will all be done. I think the first project is supposed to be building Tucker Street (the east side frontage road). Once the overpass is finished at the SR 46 interchange, Moyer Drive will be shut down and they will begin work on the Moyer Drive overpass. The whole project is supposed to be finished in 2016. I'm not sure if the section from McDaniel - SR 46 will be opened before that date or not (dirt work has started on that section too).
The company my dad works for own the contract for phase 4. I'm sure I'll be hearing stories about the ups and downs of this project for the next few years. I know he will be feeling the pressure!
Quick update on the Indiana 641 project - to be completed by Fall 2016.
http://wthitv.com/2015/09/01/progress-moving-along-for-641-bypass-project/
To add to this. They have poured blacktop on the future 641 north of McDaniel Road at least up to Feree Road. The future ramps at McDaniel are also paved. As mentioned on the video you now have to use the future eastbound 70 to southbound 641 ramp to get on 46 north. SR 641 has moved along at a snails pace, but at least they are getting closer to completing it. It was supposed to be complete by the end of 2014, but I knew it would take longer. It took about 8 years to open up the US 41 - McDaniel section.
Are there plans to eventually extend this northward as a full US 41 bypass?
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on September 03, 2015, 12:01:24 AM
Are there plans to eventually extend this northward as a full US 41 bypass?
Mike
Last I heard, it's on the "dream list," but dreams cost $$$ and big ones at that ... not saying it'll never happen, but I HIGHLY doubt it becomes a reality in my lifetime.
Quote from: mgk920 on September 03, 2015, 12:01:24 AM
Are there plans to eventually extend this northward as a full US 41 bypass?
Mike
Plans yes. Reality no. The fact is that north of US 40 (Wabash) there are a lot of houses and along Clinton St (old 41 north of Terre Haute) there is no good place for the road to cross over, because of all the houses up there. They would be better off making a bypass on the west side of Terre Haute. Since the west side of the river is basically all wetlands from the river I highly doubt Terre Haute will ever have a real bypass for US 41 / SR 63. 3rd Street will probably always be US 41.
I reported on Midwest-Great Lakes/Indiana Notes that SR 641 is going to become Interstate 170. I won't repeat what I said there, but should SR 641 be an Interstate Highway? I'm not so sure.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 03, 2015, 05:12:22 PM
I reported on Midwest-Great Lakes/Indiana Notes that SR 641 is going to become Interstate 170. I won't repeat what I said there, but should SR 641 be an Interstate Highway? I'm not so sure.
I think it should. It will meet interstate standards. It would've been I-69 had it come to Terre Haute.
I hope it becomes an interstate, only to avoid what happened to the Kokomo Bypass years ago.
Quote from: 2trailertrucker on September 03, 2015, 10:47:10 PM
I hope it becomes an interstate, only to avoid what happened to the Kokomo Bypass years ago.
The new Kokomo bypass isn't an Interstate...
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Quote from: 2trailertrucker on September 03, 2015, 10:47:10 PM
I hope it becomes an interstate, only to avoid what happened to the Kokomo Bypass years ago.
The new Kokomo bypass isn't an Interstate...
True, but being limited access, it isn't littered with lights and left turns that slow or stop the flow of traffic like the first Kokomo bypass (now SR 931) did.
SR 641 is being built as an interstate. If it's signed as an interstate or not, it will always be limited access. They wouldn't be building interchanges on it and overpasses over/under county highways if they were just going to let businesses build on it.
I wish INDOT would've extended SR 641 north to Wabash Ave (US 40) and put interchanges up at New Margaret and SR 42. When you allow Walmart to build on the highway, that's just the beginning of a disaster. Unfortunately the city leaders (I've talked to them about this subject before) want stoplights on SR 46 between I-70 and US 40. They are trying to negotiate with the state to build a northeastern bypass around 2025. I always ask why build the bypass if the whole east side is just going to be littered with stoplights? At the worst (hopefully) there will be 9 too many stoplights on SR 46 on the east side of town. I guess that's still better than what's on 3rd Street, but it would be better to have 0, which has always been my plan when talking to city leaders. Unfortunately they never seem to agree with me.
Now I'm going to talk about south of SR 641 (between Sullvan County and SR 641 on US 41). Anyone can build on US 41 that wants to. Frontage roads are not required in Vigo County. The counties south of Vigo County have smarter leaders. They decided to make a no build law on US 41 from Sullivan to Vincennes. That means that frontage roads are required down there. Pretty smart if you ask me. In Vigo County though we let anyone build anywhere they want to. So Vigo County and Terre Haute are their own worst enemies.
So you guys shouldn't be concerned with what happens on SR 641 as it is limited access. You should be concerned with what happens around the bypass, mainly on the north (SR 46) and south (US 41) sides of the bypass.
Idle curiosity: Its been 30 years since I more than passed through Terre Haute. Was this bypass designed when they were trying to attract I69? I'm sure someone will love this road, but I don't see much purpose in it. Has the east side has grown that much in the last 30 years?
Traffic going from Indy to Evansville (cars and trucks) use I 70 west to US 41 south. 41 is now littered with malls, shopping centers and the like all the way down to Allendale. The bypass is very much needed. It comes to US 41 at the old ISP post which is a rural area.
It will be used once it opens up. No doubt!
It will be interesting to see how traffic counts change here when 69 is complete to Indianapolis.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on September 07, 2015, 01:08:14 AM
It will be interesting to see how traffic counts change here when 69 is complete to Indianapolis.
I think that the traffic counts should start changing when I 69 connects to SR 37 this year.
The last time I ran I 69, there was quite a bit of traffic from Bloomfield on south to I 64.
Those that are going to Sullivan, Vincennes, etc will still use the bypass.
I don't think it will become I-170 unless there's a credible source that can confirm this. And Terre Haute is too far off to be served by I-69, so there you go.
The southern trumpet at US 41 appears to be designed in a manner that would allow southern extensions.
Quote from: 2trailertrucker on September 07, 2015, 04:31:05 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on September 07, 2015, 01:08:14 AM
It will be interesting to see how traffic counts change here when 69 is complete to Indianapolis.
I think that the traffic counts should start changing when I 69 connects to SR 37 this year.
The last time I ran I 69, there was quite a bit of traffic from Bloomfield on south to I 64.
Those that are going to Sullivan, Vincennes, etc will still use the bypass.
What will be the fastest way to get from Vincennes to Indianapolis; SR 67, US 41/I-70 or US 50/I-69?
Quote from: 2trailertrucker on September 07, 2015, 04:31:05 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on September 07, 2015, 01:08:14 AM
It will be interesting to see how traffic counts change here when 69 is complete to Indianapolis.
I think that the traffic counts should start changing when I 69 connects to SR 37 this year.
The last time I ran I 69, there was quite a bit of traffic from Bloomfield on south to I 64.
Those that are going to Sullivan, Vincennes, etc will still use the bypass.
Google Maps says that Vincennes to Indy via TH is 130 miles; via Bloomington (and SR 45), 136 miles; these mileages will likely decrease slightly with the completion of the respective highways. SR 67 is the shortest route, but it has more stops and takes quite a bit longer, maybe 30 minutes. It's one of the prettiest fall drives in Indiana, with light truck traffic, but it is still mostly two lanes, with a few passing lanes.
Once I-69 is fully complete, it will be a stoplight-free route from Vincennes to Indy, though SR641 will mean that motorists only have four lights to go through between Vincennes and I-70; it'll probably take almost the same amount of time, but anyone north of Vincennes should go up 41/150.
Quote from: westerninterloper on September 10, 2015, 11:40:44 AM
Quote from: 2trailertrucker on September 07, 2015, 04:31:05 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on September 07, 2015, 01:08:14 AM
It will be interesting to see how traffic counts change here when 69 is complete to Indianapolis.
I think that the traffic counts should start changing when I 69 connects to SR 37 this year.
The last time I ran I 69, there was quite a bit of traffic from Bloomfield on south to I 64.
Those that are going to Sullivan, Vincennes, etc will still use the bypass.
Google Maps says that Vincennes to Indy via TH is 130 miles; via Bloomington (and SR 45), 136 miles; these mileages will likely decrease slightly with the completion of the respective highways. SR 67 is the shortest route, but it has more stops and takes quite a bit longer, maybe 30 minutes. It's one of the prettiest fall drives in Indiana, with light truck traffic, but it is still mostly two lanes, with a few passing lanes.
Once I-69 is fully complete, it will be a stoplight-free route from Vincennes to Indy, though SR641 will mean that motorists only have four lights to go through between Vincennes and I-70; it'll probably take almost the same amount of time, but anyone north of Vincennes should go up 41/150.
Another route to consider when I69 is complete will be Bloomington/Bloomfield. I'm not sure the route you used after getting onto 45 south of Bloomington for 136 miles, but if you get off to SR54 and go through Bloomfield to SR67, the mileage shows 122. This will be close to the same when I69 to SR445 is available with the advantage of a fast escape of Indy (vice SR67 through Mooresville and Spencer) and the relatively open SR67 near Vincennes. The only real slow down will be Bloomfield.
Also, not sure I've followed your thoughts, but when 69 is complete, a traveler staying on it will need to use US50 from Washington to Vincennes. IIRC, that will be five lights (for now; exit, Bus50, SR257, SR57, Wheatland).
I forgot about those traffic lights on US 50 between Vincennes and Washington. I don't think that SR 54 from Sullivan east will save much time to Indy, though - there are several small towns - Bloomfield and Linton particularly, that would slow you down. To Bloomington, however, this would definitely be the best route. I-70, though is very busy between TH and Indy, so depending on how quickly the truck traffic picks up on I-69 between Bton and Evansville, it's likely to be a more pleasant drive than US 41 and I-70.
I drove up SR 46 from Riley to I-70 yesterday - the new highway looks great. I was surprised to see reassurance shields for SR 641 and SR 46 already up in the not-yet-opened northbound lanes of 641 just before the I-70 intersection. I can't believe this highway has taken over 25 years to complete.
Quote from: westerninterloper on January 04, 2016, 10:25:20 AM
I drove up SR 46 from Riley to I-70 yesterday - the new highway looks great. I was surprised to see reassurance shields for SR 641 and SR 46 already up in the not-yet-opened northbound lanes of 641 just before the I-70 intersection. I can't believe this highway has taken over 25 years to complete.
I always assumed that SR 46 would end at SR 641. Guess I was wrong.
Quote from: US 41 on January 04, 2016, 02:21:14 PM
Quote from: westerninterloper on January 04, 2016, 10:25:20 AM
I drove up SR 46 from Riley to I-70 yesterday - the new highway looks great. I was surprised to see reassurance shields for SR 641 and SR 46 already up in the not-yet-opened northbound lanes of 641 just before the I-70 intersection. I can't believe this highway has taken over 25 years to complete.
I always assumed that SR 46 would end at SR 641. Guess I was wrong.
It will end at I-70, though, right? I think it does make sense to keep it to I-70, since it is the best route for east-bound travelers to Bloomington. I still think it's a travesty that they routed US 40 along I-70 around Terre Haute.
Quote from: westerninterloper on January 04, 2016, 10:23:43 PM
Quote from: US 41 on January 04, 2016, 02:21:14 PM
Quote from: westerninterloper on January 04, 2016, 10:25:20 AM
I drove up SR 46 from Riley to I-70 yesterday - the new highway looks great. I was surprised to see reassurance shields for SR 641 and SR 46 already up in the not-yet-opened northbound lanes of 641 just before the I-70 intersection. I can't believe this highway has taken over 25 years to complete.
I always assumed that SR 46 would end at SR 641. Guess I was wrong.
Probably not. It is still cosigned with US 40 up to Wabash / Old 40.
It will end at I-70, though, right? I think it does make sense to keep it to I-70, since it is the best route for east-bound travelers to Bloomington. I still think it's a travesty that they routed US 40 along I-70 around Terre Haute.
Quote from: US 41 on January 04, 2016, 11:30:35 PM
Quote from: westerninterloper on January 04, 2016, 10:23:43 PM
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Quote from: westerninterloper on January 04, 2016, 10:25:20 AM
I drove up SR 46 from Riley to I-70 yesterday - the new highway looks great. I was surprised to see reassurance shields for SR 641 and SR 46 already up in the not-yet-opened northbound lanes of 641 just before the I-70 intersection. I can't believe this highway has taken over 25 years to complete.
I always assumed that SR 46 would end at SR 641. Guess I was wrong.
Probably not. It is still cosigned with US 40 up to Wabash / Old 40.
It will end at I-70, though, right? I think it does make sense to keep it to I-70, since it is the best route for east-bound travelers to Bloomington. I still think it's a travesty that they routed US 40 along I-70 around Terre Haute.
I'm pretty sure I read in a TH news outlet that SR 46 would eventually be truncated at I-70, but they were giving businesses along the route some time to change their materials to reflect the new address on US 40 (only). So it's still co-signed, but both 46 and 641 would end where US 40 leaves the interstate at Exit 11. Could that be?
Quote from: westerninterloper on January 05, 2016, 04:58:37 PM
Quote from: US 41 on January 04, 2016, 11:30:35 PM
Quote from: westerninterloper on January 04, 2016, 10:23:43 PM
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Quote from: westerninterloper on January 04, 2016, 10:25:20 AM
I drove up SR 46 from Riley to I-70 yesterday - the new highway looks great. I was surprised to see reassurance shields for SR 641 and SR 46 already up in the not-yet-opened northbound lanes of 641 just before the I-70 intersection. I can't believe this highway has taken over 25 years to complete.
I always assumed that SR 46 would end at SR 641. Guess I was wrong.
Probably not. It is still cosigned with US 40 up to Wabash / Old 40.
It will end at I-70, though, right? I think it does make sense to keep it to I-70, since it is the best route for east-bound travelers to Bloomington. I still think it's a travesty that they routed US 40 along I-70 around Terre Haute.
I'm pretty sure I read in a TH news outlet that SR 46 would eventually be truncated at I-70, but they were giving businesses along the route some time to change their materials to reflect the new address on US 40 (only). So it's still co-signed, but both 46 and 641 would end where US 40 leaves the interstate at Exit 11. Could that be?
SR 46 should end at the junction at 641 when it's built. You may be right about the designing though, when you drive that stretch, there are only 2 46 shields, at SR 42 and at the old junction with US 40.
Will this highway be completed anytime in the near future?
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 20, 2016, 05:53:00 PM
Will this highway be completed anytime in the near future?
It's supposed to be complete by the end of this year.
It better be, it's taken long enough!
The 641 to I-70 westbound ramp just opened!
https://goo.gl/maps/XFuuEUZrJJB2
It's now supposed to be open completely by December of this year. http://www.rushvillerepublican.com/indiana/news/after-years-bypass-nearly-ready/article_64042959-ca4b-56bd-b741-c8b39c2d07cd.html
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Future I-41?
:wow:
<DUCKS and RUNS!!!>
:spin:
Mike
I can see the city wanting to stall a project. Why would the city want a highway that bypasses a major portion of their core commercial business? They would likely lose revenue from those unexpected consumers to those who plan on heading to the area already.
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on September 12, 2016, 10:43:53 AM
I can see the city wanting to stall a project. Why would the city want a highway that bypasses a major portion of their core commercial business? They would likely lose revenue from those unexpected consumers to those who plan on heading to the area already.
I don't understand this train of logic of yours one bit. Terre Haute, like Evansville-Henderson, is too large for any significant amount of the local economic base to be derived from the few bucks fast food joints pull in from tourists. The economic benefit that is provided to the local commuters, as well as improving the local infrastructure to attract large employers and new business to the area far, far, far and far exceed ANY measly dollar someone from Sullivan drops at a McDonalds because it is on their way.
641 is about 30 years too late. Most of the traffic from the south, going towards Indy, is already bypassing Terre Haute on 69. Tourist traffic coming in Terre Haute is pretty much north-south traffic on 41, and east-west traffic on 70. 641 doesn't effect this at all. The vast majority of businesses on 41 south of I-70, such as Honey Creek Mall, are destinations, and serving the local market. Trust me, business leaders in Vigo County have been supporting this fully for years.
Maybe if SR 641 had been built decades ago, it could have looped around to reconnect with US 41 north of the city. Maybe even connect with SR 63.
Seems if there was ever going to be a 41 Bypass or some type of I-41, that it would be most effective to run it south from SR 63 prior to the Wabash, down through West Terre Haute, multi-plex it with I-70 over the Wabash, then south somewhere west of the current US 41, tying in with it south of town somewhere.
Quote from: Captain Jack on September 13, 2016, 11:31:39 PM
Seems if there was ever going to be a 41 Bypass or some type of I-41, that it would be most effective to run it south from SR 63 prior to the Wabash, down through West Terre Haute, multi-plex it with I-70 over the Wabash, then south somewhere west of the current US 41, tying in with it south of town somewhere.
I think that was given some consideration pre-641, but as the flood plain of the Wabash is almost entirely west of the river until you get down near I-70, there's almost no reasonable way to build a western bypass. Not at anything approaching a reasonable cost, anyway.
Interesting reading: http://pubs.usgs.gov/sim/3232/pdf/sim3232.pdf
Quote from: Captain Jack on September 13, 2016, 11:31:39 PM
Seems if there was ever going to be a 41 Bypass or some type of I-41, that it would be most effective to run it south from SR 63 prior to the Wabash, down through West Terre Haute, multi-plex it with I-70 over the Wabash, then south somewhere west of the current US 41, tying in with it south of town somewhere.
I don't think Terre Haute will ever have a bypass for US 41 / SR 63 traffic. I think 3rd St will be as good as it gets.
The only way they could build a bypass at this point is if they started it down at Pimento, had it cut over to Prarieton, cross the river, run it northeast parallel with Darwin Rd, and have it continue up to SR 63. And who knows how much that would cost. Also it's Terre Haute and we're not a priority in Indiana. Just look at SR 641. It's taken like 13 years just to build 6 miles of highway. It would probably take them over 25 to complete a western bypass. :banghead:
My guess is the only way it happens is if there is ever a serious push to upgrade 41 between Chicago and Evansville. Even if it isn't all the way to interstate standards, I think this route should be on the short list for future endeavors by INDOT. I-65 is getting seriously congested. Once I-69 gets across the Ohio, you will be able to go from Haubstadt, IN to Nashville on an interstate quality route the entire way. That only leaves the stretch from Haubstadt to Hammond. Even if nothing more was done than get Terre Haute and Lake County bypassed, this route would become a very attractive alternative to I-65.
Some are already doing it. While vacationing around St. Petersburg last year, we met a family from Schereville, IN (Lake County). They go to Florida every year and always take US 41. They feel it is at least an hour shorter, and that's if they don't get hung up in traffic in Louisville.
The only option for a freeway bypass north of I-70 avoiding the floodplain route west of the city I can realistically see is maybe you could do something with the rail corridor that runs from IN 63 southeast past the power station, then turns east parallel to Fort Harrison. The trick would be getting it through the industrial area at Fort Harrison and Fruitridge; from there, getting it over to tie into IN 46/US 40 wouldn't be too hard.
You could also run it a bit further north but it'd be tricky to get it through North Terre Haute without too many residential takings, and it'd be longer of course.
At some level a shorter route via the floodplain west of the river that doesn't extend south of I-70 might actually be cheaper even though you'd have to elevate it.
If traffic is going to decrease due to I-69 opening there will be less of an incentive for US 41 to be upgraded between Lake County and Terre Haute.
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on September 15, 2016, 04:43:25 PM
If traffic is going to decrease due to I-69 opening there will be less of an incentive for US 41 to be upgraded between Lake County and Terre Haute.
69 is taking the Evansville to Indy traffic. It has no bearing on the traffic between Terre Haute and Lake County.
The point is if US 41 was at least somewhat upgraded in Indiana, a lot of the traffic that is currently using I-65 would take this route instead, thereby increasing traffic counts on US 41, and reducing them on an ever increasingly congested I-65.
Quote from: Captain Jack on September 16, 2016, 10:08:11 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on September 15, 2016, 04:43:25 PM
If traffic is going to decrease due to I-69 opening there will be less of an incentive for US 41 to be upgraded between Lake County and Terre Haute.
69 is taking the Evansville to Indy traffic. It has no bearing on the traffic between Terre Haute and Lake County.
The point is if US 41 was at least somewhat upgraded in Indiana, a lot of the traffic that is currently using I-65 would take this route instead, thereby increasing traffic counts on US 41, and reducing them on an ever increasingly congested I-65.
Us 41 is mostly upgraded enough though. I like to take US 52 to Us 41 to get to and from chicago. the only bad part is the lake county portion.
Honestly Terre Haute isn't that bad to drive through on 41. The only bad part is down by I-70 and the mall.
An interesting thought that I just had regarding this (perhaps better for 'fictional/fantasy highways' discussion) would be that if an 'I-41' ever comes on the scene and it would follow one of the chatted about western bypass routings, assuming that it would cross back to the current US 41 corridor near the south end of IN 641, that IN 641 could then become an 'even' 3DI for I-70.
Mike
Isn't that part of the legislated I-69? They could number it I-69W.
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on September 20, 2016, 02:29:29 PM
Isn't that part of the legislated I-69? They could number it I-69W.
No it isn't , and let's hope not! US 41 was one of the original considerations for the Evansville-Indianapolis I-69 routing, but was dropped when the present alignment was adopted.
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on September 20, 2016, 02:29:29 PM
Isn't that part of the legislated I-69? They could number it I-69W.
never! letter suffixes are of the devil! :-D
There are several in Tennessee.
US 11E
US 11W
US 19E
US 19W
US 25E
US 25W
US 31E
US 31W
US 70S
US 70N
US 70 & US 70S are also concurrent in parts of Nashville, TN.
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on September 20, 2016, 05:40:11 PM
There are several in Tennessee.
US 11E
US 11W
US 19E
US 19W
US 25E
US 25W
US 31E
US 31W
US 70S
US 70N
US 70 & US 70S are also concurrent in parts of Nashville, TN.
US highways, not Interstate.
Interstate suffixes were dropped except for the two Interstate 35 branches in Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN. and Dallas/Fort Worth, TX. Now with Interstate 69's construction in Texas, they are being brought back. WTF?
i also hate them for us routes too
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 20, 2016, 06:16:34 PM
Interstate suffixes were dropped except for the two Interstate 35 branches in Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN. and Dallas/Fort Worth, TX. Now with Interstate 69's construction in Texas, they are being brought back. WTF?
When the Feds pay for 3 trans-border highways instead of just one, all because Texas says they need them, well, you learn to accommodate.
I think its ridiculous as well.
They opened up the roundabouts at the 641 / 46 interchange today.
Is SR 641 open from US 41 to I-70? I also heard the roundabouts were open, but wasn't sure if the spur was completely open for traffic.
Quote from: sd72667 on October 14, 2016, 03:36:45 PM
Is SR 641 open from US 41 to I-70? I also heard the roundabouts were open, but wasn't sure if the spur was completely open for traffic.
Not yet. It should be completely open by December.
I've watched this project creep along since my middle son was a Freshman in High School (2009). He's now in his 5th year in college. With I-69 progressing, this road is no longer much of an interest anymore. I always said that they needed to hire a second employee to do the work, rather than do the whole project with just one road worker... :spin:
Quote from: Life in Paradise on October 15, 2016, 12:16:44 PM
I've watched this project creep along since my middle son was a Freshman in High School (2009). He's now in his 5th year in college. With I-69 progressing, this road is no longer much of an interest anymore. I always said that they needed to hire a second employee to do the work, rather than do the whole project with just one road worker... :spin:
Your son went from a freshman in HS to his 5th year of college in 7 years?
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OK, the first part of his freshman year was 2008 and he has just started his 5th year. If I could see him getting out of college in 7 years, I might have time to think and figure correctly.
Quote from: Life in Paradise on October 16, 2016, 02:49:04 PM
OK, the first part of his freshman year was 2008 and he has just started his 5th year. If I could see him getting out of college in 7 years, I might have time to think and figure correctly.
I'm from the Haute and seem to recall that the first work on the bypass started when I was in high school, back in the late 1980s and early 1990s. I think there was a gas station where the 41-641 interchange is that was demolished in 1990 when the project started. Is that right?
Quote from: westerninterloper on October 16, 2016, 03:28:56 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on October 16, 2016, 02:49:04 PM
OK, the first part of his freshman year was 2008 and he has just started his 5th year. If I could see him getting out of college in 7 years, I might have time to think and figure correctly.
I'm from the Haute and seem to recall that the first work on the bypass started when I was in high school, back in the late 1980s and early 1990s. I think there was a gas station where the 41-641 interchange is that was demolished in 1990 when the project started. Is that right?
Yes, it was a pretty large one if I remember correctly, kind of an old school truck stop. I think there was a motel there as part of the complex.
this thing was in the works for how long exactly?
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 17, 2016, 07:50:34 AM
this thing was in the works for how long exactly?
Since the late 1980s at least; a west-end bypass from roughly the same starting point, around West Terre Haute, and meeting up with Indiana 63 north of TH was proposed in the late 1970s or early 1980s. Part of the planning for the current bypass seems to be part of the larger discussion about routing I-69 from Indy to Evansville.
i wished they'd just end 46 at the 641 interchange.
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 17, 2016, 04:19:39 PM
i wished they'd just end 46 at the 641 interchange.
Same. It's kind of stupid to have it run concurrent with 641 and US 40. I really don't understand the point. They've already renamed US 40 (former 46) from I-70 to Wabash Ave, "Old SR 46". If it's "Old SR 46" then it's dumb to also have it signed as "SR 46". I can kind of understand having 641 and 46 run concurrent up to I-70, but I would honestly prefer that SR 46 ends at SR 641. Perhaps on the BGS's they could put "South SR 641 / TO East SR 46" with Bloomington and Evansville as the control cities.
Quote from: US 41 on October 17, 2016, 05:46:18 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on October 17, 2016, 04:19:39 PM
i wished they'd just end 46 at the 641 interchange.
Same. It's kind of stupid to have it run concurrent with 641 and US 40. I really don't understand the point. They've already renamed US 40 (former 46) from I-70 to Wabash Ave, "Old SR 46". If it's "Old SR 46" then it's dumb to also have it signed as "SR 46". I can kind of understand having 641 and 46 run concurrent up to I-70, but I would honestly prefer that SR 46 ends at SR 641. Perhaps on the BGS's they could put "South SR 641 / TO East SR 46" with Bloomington and Evansville as the control cities.
Best case scenario, IMHO, would be to re-route 40 through the city on Wabash, like it always was, then route 46
and 641 up to the old 46-40 intersection near Rose Hulman.
That won't happen, so i think 46 should be signed to I-70, since it goes to Bloomington, but there is no need to extend it beyond I-70, because it would not intersect with any other highway until it reached, what, SR 340?
^ SR 42
I heard that a section of SR 641 opened up along SR 46. Is there 641 signage? And is there any evidence what so ever of SR 641 along 46?
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on November 04, 2016, 01:05:23 PM
I heard that a section of SR 641 opened up along SR 46. Is there 641 signage? And is there any evidence what so ever of SR 641 along 46?
Between the roundabout interchange and I-70 there are two signs next to each other. One reads "North SR 46" and the other "North SR 641". However on the BGS's at the SR 641 / SR 46 interchange, SR 641 is the only highway mentioned, which I find odd.
Quote from: US 41 on November 04, 2016, 05:13:03 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on November 04, 2016, 01:05:23 PM
I heard that a section of SR 641 opened up along SR 46. Is there 641 signage? And is there any evidence what so ever of SR 641 along 46?
Between the roundabout interchange and I-70 there are two signs next to each other. One reads "North SR 46" and the other "North SR 641". However on the BGS's at the SR 641 / SR 46 interchange, SR 641 is the only highway mentioned, which I find odd.
already got 46 labeled wrong. it's an east west route!
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 04, 2016, 06:16:23 PM
Quote from: US 41 on November 04, 2016, 05:13:03 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on November 04, 2016, 01:05:23 PM
I heard that a section of SR 641 opened up along SR 46. Is there 641 signage? And is there any evidence what so ever of SR 641 along 46?
Between the roundabout interchange and I-70 there are two signs next to each other. One reads "North SR 46" and the other "North SR 641". However on the BGS's at the SR 641 / SR 46 interchange, SR 641 is the only highway mentioned, which I find odd.
already got 46 labeled wrong. it's an east west route!
It actually says "West". I just messed up.
I would like It one day to be designated as an interstate..
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on November 07, 2016, 08:30:18 AM
I would like It one day to be designated as an interstate..
I wouldn't mind if they renamed it I-170 or something like that just because it would give Terre Haute two interstates :) It also might make it qualify for a higher speed limit (it's currently 55).
However the "SR 641" designation is completely fine. It basically is an interstate and it is being built to interstate standards. The 55 mph speed limit kind of sucks and I would like to see it raised to 60 between SR 46 and US 41 once it is complete.
I will complain about the interchange at I-70. It makes zero sense to have two interstate quality roads meet at an interchange that is going to have stop lights. I think it will make it kind of dangerous there, especially for NB 641 traffic.
If I recall, the exit ramp from I-70 west to 641 south will be a loop ramp. Based on recent experience, that alone should kill any prospect of this becoming an interstate. The feds will demand that that ramp be rebuilt as a flyover. But Indiana did want to be cheap about the exit's design so there.
Quote from: tdindy88 on November 07, 2016, 05:54:56 PM
If I recall, the exit ramp from I-70 west to 641 south will be a loop ramp. Based on recent experience, that alone should kill any prospect of this becoming an interstate. The feds will demand that that ramp be rebuilt as a flyover. But Indiana did want to be cheap about the exit's design so there.
I don't think that would actually be an issue. Really the only issue would be the fact that NB 641 will have to go through two stop lights to get on WB 70.
that interchange design is bullshit, should have spent the money and made it completely limited access.
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 07, 2016, 10:30:56 PM
that interchange design is bullshit, should have spent the money and made it completely limited access.
Exactly. I don't even know why they're modifying the interchange if it's still going to have stop lights. It makes no sense to me.
slap a cloverleaf in its place at least! i don't think flyovers are necessary.
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 07, 2016, 10:34:51 PM
slap a cloverleaf in its place at least! i don't think flyovers are necessary.
That's what was originally planned.
The reason New Margaret Ave was going to be built was so that there was room for a cloverleaf. New Margaret was going to reconnect to Margaret Ave near Fruitridge Ave (this is actually still planned). Once New Margaret crossed SR 46 (now US 40) it was going to head back south to connect to Margaret Ave and the Pilot Gas Station (this of course is no longer planned). Why they didn't stick with their original good plan is beyond me.
I wish the plan would have been to have SR 641 run all the way up to US 40 with interchanges at New Margaret and SR 42. Now it's all built up and basically impossible to do now.
Quote from: US 41 on November 07, 2016, 10:43:27 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 07, 2016, 10:34:51 PM
slap a cloverleaf in its place at least! i don't think flyovers are necessary.
That's what was originally planned.
The reason New Margaret Ave was going to be built was so that there was room for a cloverleaf. New Margaret was going to reconnect to Margaret Ave near Fruitridge Ave (this is actually still planned). Once New Margaret crossed SR 46 (now US 40) it was going to head back south to connect to Margaret Ave and the Pilot Gas Station (this of course is no longer planned). Why they didn't stick with their original good plan is beyond me.
I wish the plan would have been to have SR 641 run all the way up to US 40 with interchanges at New Margaret and SR 42. Now it's all built up and basically impossible to do now.
They could slap an interchange at New Margaret and SR 42 - there's plenty of space along there, maybe removing one or two small outlot buildings. But I don't think it's worth the investment - traffic on that road tends to be pretty light, doesn't it?
Traffic on US 40 / SR 46 is actually getting fairly heavy now and I only expect it to get worse once 641 is fully complete.
Quote from: US 41 on November 10, 2016, 10:58:45 PM
Traffic on US 40 / SR 46 is actually getting fairly heavy now and I only expect it to get worse once 641 is fully complete.
Have there been any recent updates in local media about the date it will open? Before Christmas?
Quote from: westerninterloper on November 20, 2016, 09:23:17 PM
Quote from: US 41 on November 10, 2016, 10:58:45 PM
Traffic on US 40 / SR 46 is actually getting fairly heavy now and I only expect it to get worse once 641 is fully complete.
Have there been any recent updates in local media about the date it will open? Before Christmas?
Not yet. Construction has been moving along pretty well lately though. From what I've seen I'm thinking it will probably be done in January, but don't quote me on that.
Quote from: US 41 on November 21, 2016, 09:17:16 AM
Quote from: westerninterloper on November 20, 2016, 09:23:17 PM
Quote from: US 41 on November 10, 2016, 10:58:45 PM
Traffic on US 40 / SR 46 is actually getting fairly heavy now and I only expect it to get worse once 641 is fully complete.
Have there been any recent updates in local media about the date it will open? Before Christmas?
Not yet. Construction has been moving along pretty well lately though. From what I've seen I'm thinking it will probably be done in January, but don't quote me on that.
Hard to believe it has taken this long. I remember work starting on this when I graduated high school - coming on 27 years ago.
Are there any plans to take US 40 north around Terre Haute, and possibly connect it with 41?
Quote from: inkyatari on November 23, 2016, 09:07:26 AM
Are there any plans to take US 40 north around Terre Haute, and possibly connect it with 41?
i believe that's something they would like to do, i remember seeing a map of it going north of rose hulman, and curving to the west to end at us 150. if this is true, expect to see it sometime in 2055 :-D
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 23, 2016, 11:35:02 AM
Quote from: inkyatari on November 23, 2016, 09:07:26 AM
Are there any plans to take US 40 north around Terre Haute, and possibly connect it with 41?
i believe that's something they would like to do, i remember seeing a map of it going north of rose hulman, and curving to the west to end at us 150. if this is true, expect to see it sometime in 2055 :-D
I can see why it would make logical sense to complete a bypass to US 150 northwest of the city, but how much traffic would it serve? US 150 itself isn't a major route to anywhere, and traffic coming from Indianapolis would be unlikely to head north on SR 63 or US 41, since that area is mostly rural and Chicagoland is a distant destination along those routes.
Perhaps there is city traffic that could be served by this, but I think that Fruitridge and Ft. Harrison work well enough as bypass routes for the northwest side of town. I wonder what could justify a traffic count high enough for a new terrain freeway or expressway.
Quote from: westerninterloper on November 25, 2016, 11:24:51 AM
Quote from: silverback1065 on November 23, 2016, 11:35:02 AM
Quote from: inkyatari on November 23, 2016, 09:07:26 AM
Are there any plans to take US 40 north around Terre Haute, and possibly connect it with 41?
i believe that's something they would like to do, i remember seeing a map of it going north of rose hulman, and curving to the west to end at us 150. if this is true, expect to see it sometime in 2055 :-D
I can see why it would make logical sense to complete a bypass to US 150 northwest of the city, but how much traffic would it serve? US 150 itself isn't a major route to anywhere, and traffic coming from Indianapolis would be unlikely to head north on SR 63 or US 41, since that area is mostly rural and Chicagoland is a distant destination along those routes.
Perhaps there is city traffic that could be served by this, but I think that Fruitridge and Ft. Harrison work well enough as bypass routes for the northwest side of town. I wonder what could justify a traffic count high enough for a new terrain freeway or expressway.
Absolutely agree. Ft Harrison / Fruitridge is fine. There really is no need for a northeast bypass. The best thing INDOT could do is make 41 3 lanes each direction from Margaret Ave to Hulman St; and from Johnson Drive down to at least 7th Street (but preferably to Walmart). On I-70 a new exit at either 25th Street or Fruitridge would be nice too.
^ I see an at grade crossing of a railyard on Fruitridge, a high school, as well as a good number of signals - not conductive to being a decent bypass route.
Quote from: Revive 755 on November 26, 2016, 07:15:13 PM
^ I see an at grade crossing of a railyard on Fruitridge, a high school, as well as a good number of signals - not conductive to being a decent bypass route.
The speed limit is 45 on Fruitridge and it's 40 on Ft Harrison. It's also very rare that you ever get stopped at that R/R crossing on Fruitridge. The one on Ft Harrison also isn't a big deal. It's used often, but you never have to wait very long at it. Honestly I wish they would make Fruitridge a 4 lane road down to I-70 and put up a new interchange there. I think that would be something worth doing. Terre Haute really doesn't really need a bypass (though it would be nice) unless they were going to make the 41 / 63 corridor an interstate which will never happen.
There were plans for an eventual NE Bypass, but it is supposed to be a 2 lane limited access bypass with 4 lane ROW. I don't think it will ever happen though. I'm a little surprised that they are actually going to finish 641.
A northeast bypass of Terre Haute should have been built. Alas, we're decades too late for that to become a reality.
Quote from: US 41 on November 27, 2016, 08:42:34 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on November 26, 2016, 07:15:13 PM
^ I see an at grade crossing of a railyard on Fruitridge, a high school, as well as a good number of signals - not conductive to being a decent bypass route.
The speed limit is 45 on Fruitridge and it's 40 on Ft Harrison. It's also very rare that you ever get stopped at that R/R crossing on Fruitridge. The one on Ft Harrison also isn't a big deal. It's used often, but you never have to wait very long at it. Honestly I wish they would make Fruitridge a 4 lane road down to I-70 and put up a new interchange there. I think that would be something worth doing. Terre Haute really doesn't really need a bypass (though it would be nice) unless they were going to make the 41 / 63 corridor an interstate which will never happen.
There were plans for an eventual NE Bypass, but it is supposed to be a 2 lane limited access bypass with 4 lane ROW. I don't think it will ever happen though. I'm a little surprised that they are actually going to finish 641.
641 has been in the planning stages since long before I-69 was finalized, so I saw it as an important potential link for an interstate from Terre Haute to Evansville - which was part of some of the original interstate plans.
I agree that there isn't much need for a NE bypass. i think the growth of the Honey Creek commercial area also contributes to the need for 641, and as someone who frequently drives from Indianapolis to points south of Terre Haute, I CANNOT WAIT FOR THIS HIGHWAY TO BE COMPLETE.
Quote from: westerninterloper on November 30, 2016, 02:30:33 PM
Quote from: US 41 on November 27, 2016, 08:42:34 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on November 26, 2016, 07:15:13 PM
^ I see an at grade crossing of a railyard on Fruitridge, a high school, as well as a good number of signals - not conductive to being a decent bypass route.
The speed limit is 45 on Fruitridge and it's 40 on Ft Harrison. It's also very rare that you ever get stopped at that R/R crossing on Fruitridge. The one on Ft Harrison also isn't a big deal. It's used often, but you never have to wait very long at it. Honestly I wish they would make Fruitridge a 4 lane road down to I-70 and put up a new interchange there. I think that would be something worth doing. Terre Haute really doesn't really need a bypass (though it would be nice) unless they were going to make the 41 / 63 corridor an interstate which will never happen.
There were plans for an eventual NE Bypass, but it is supposed to be a 2 lane limited access bypass with 4 lane ROW. I don't think it will ever happen though. I'm a little surprised that they are actually going to finish 641.
641 has been in the planning stages since long before I-69 was finalized, so I saw it as an important potential link for an interstate from Terre Haute to Evansville - which was part of some of the original interstate plans.
I agree that there isn't much need for a NE bypass. i think the growth of the Honey Creek commercial area also contributes to the need for 641, and as someone who frequently drives from Indianapolis to points south of Terre Haute, I CANNOT WAIT FOR THIS HIGHWAY TO BE COMPLETE.
Completion date: Sometime in the near future :)
SR 641 should be open within a couple of weeks between SR 46 and McDaniel Rd. I think. The road is completely striped and all the signs are up.
Quote from: US 41 on December 23, 2016, 03:57:39 PM
SR 641 should be open within a couple of weeks between SR 46 and McDaniel Rd. I think. The road is completely striped and all the signs are up.
However, the ramps from WB 70 to NB 46 still have to be built. Same with the EB 70 to NB 46.
Quote from: 2trailertrucker on December 24, 2016, 10:25:27 AM
Quote from: US 41 on December 23, 2016, 03:57:39 PM
SR 641 should be open within a couple of weeks between SR 46 and McDaniel Rd. I think. The road is completely striped and all the signs are up.
However, the ramps from WB 70 to NB 46 still have to be built. Same with the EB 70 to NB 46.
I meant from the roundabout interchange to McDaniel. I agree there is still a little work left to do at I-70.
Just an hour ago, while coming to Indy from Crawford County, Illinois, I ran US 41 north and decided to take SR 641, just to see where it came out to.
It took me all the way to I 70! The ramp from 641 to McDaniel Road was closed. Also the highway shrunk to one lane in each direction from Riley Rd to I 70.
The ramp to I 70 is a makeshift ramp, but usable. The speed limit was signed for 55 mph for the wide open sections.
Traffic was noticeable on it, even though it is still signed is closed.
Awesome! I'm going to go drive it right now.
hopefully google maps will update it soon as open.
http://www.mywabashvalley.com/news/indot-641-to-open-friday/643141908
This from WTWO TV
I drove on it twice in both directions last night. I'll admit it was kind of odd driving on it since it's been under construction for most of my life.
My GPS shows SR 641 as complete, after I updated it a few days ago. I'm surprised it hasn't been added to Google Maps yet.
Quote from: US 41 on January 21, 2017, 08:41:45 AM
I drove on it twice in both directions last night. I'll admit it was kind of odd driving on it since it's been under construction for most of my life.
My GPS shows SR 641 as complete, after I updated it a few days ago. I'm surprised it hasn't been added to Google Maps yet.
As of 9:45 EST, all google Maps shows is the McDaniel Road Ramps. :/
there are a few users on here that are mods on map maker, maybe they're working on it.
Somebody has started working on it, it appears. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3969502,-87.3705734,16z
Quote from: US 41 on January 26, 2017, 05:59:38 PM
Somebody has started working on it, it appears. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3969502,-87.3705734,16z
I marked as completed what I could with my regional lead rights, the higher priority segments are pending Google's moderation which is unreliable these days.
INDOT's YouTube page posted timelapses videos on SR 641 about 25 minutes ago.
Google Maps shows SR 641 open!
it should show up as orange on maps not yellow
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on January 30, 2017, 11:24:48 AM
INDOT's YouTube page posted timelapses videos on SR 641 about 25 minutes ago.
Here they are (both less than 20 secs):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz_bI-FBIr8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br2oNk9NxkY
Quote from: Buck87 on January 31, 2017, 12:35:42 PM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on January 30, 2017, 11:24:48 AM
INDOT's YouTube page posted timelapses videos on SR 641 about 25 minutes ago.
Here they are (both less than 20 secs):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz_bI-FBIr8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br2oNk9NxkY
Wish they weren't timelapses.
Yeah, as someone not familiar with this project it was hard to tell what's what.
Is the first video north bound and the second video south bound?
Quote from: Buck87 on January 31, 2017, 12:57:59 PM
Yeah, as someone not familiar with this project it was hard to tell what's what.
Is the first video north bound and the second video south bound?
Spot on.
Just another new addition to the 2018 Rand McNally...and it's a pretty awesome drive too!
Quote from: Henry on February 02, 2017, 09:32:10 AM
Just another new addition to the 2018 Rand McNally...and it's a pretty awesome drive too!
It's already in the 2017 Rand McNally.
Quote from: US 41 on February 02, 2017, 07:22:12 PM
Quote from: Henry on February 02, 2017, 09:32:10 AM
Just another new addition to the 2018 Rand McNally...and it's a pretty awesome drive too!
It's already in the 2017 Rand McNally.
Really? I have it, and I don't remember it being in there. I'll take a look when I can!
is 70 being widening in this area too?
Drove SB a few days ago, McDaniel Rd. North exit still closed. The whole thing is super smooth, really happy with the way it turned out. Fun fact, I actually did a bit of surveying on this project back in the summer of 2015, mostly on the Moyer Dr bridge and the I-70 exit ramps.
5/27 edit: Clinched it! :D
The Tribune Star in Terre Haute reports today that McDaniel Road possibly could reopen this fall:
http://www.tribstar.com/news/local_news/mcdaniel-road-exit-could-open-this-fall/article_4ba6643e-bc5a-55f5-a591-e063c7c7e2c3.html
QuoteDebbie Calder, INDOT spokeswoman, said Tuesday that INDOT and Walsh Construction "have invested time trying to engineer the salvage of the remaining MSE wall. Due to concerns with the longevity of such a salvaged wall system it has been decided to completely remove and reconstruct the wall," she said.
"The scope of work will include removing the bridge approach and then both the existing MSE wall and embankment. The existing bridge is a single span with the end bent at the MSE wall supported by piling. The piling will be braced as the excavation proceeds thereby stabilizing the existing bridge," Calder said.
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Happened across a map of the potential routings of Interstate Route 70 around Terre Haute, from the late 1950s and early 1960s.
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Ripple, D. A. History of the Interstate System in Indiana: Volume 3, Part 2 - Chapter VI: Route History. Publication FHWA/IN/JHRP-75/28-2. Joint Highway Research Project, Indiana Department of Transportation and Purdue University, West Lafayette, Indiana, 1975.
McDaniel Road could finally be open by the end of the month:
http://www.wthitv.com/content/news/After-one-year-McDaniel-Road-bridge-almost-ready-to-reopen-463724103.html
The Speed Limit on the bypass has been raised from 55 to 65 effective today. 65 is definitely the appropriate speed limit. 55 was painfully slow.
http://www.wthitv.com/content/news/Speed-limit-increase--488056511.html
Quote from: westerninterloper on June 20, 2017, 09:24:55 PM
Happened across a map of the potential routings of Interstate Route 70 around Terre Haute, from the late 1950s and early 1960s.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi29.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc272%2Fcjfjapan%2FScreen%2520Shot%25202017-06-20%2520at%25209.12.57%2520PM.png&hash=e58fe8862cf5cd0ebec2db7e39d924088deadf68) (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/cjfjapan/media/Screen%20Shot%202017-06-20%20at%209.12.57%20PM.png.html)
Ripple, D. A. History of the Interstate System in Indiana: Volume 3, Part 2 - Chapter VI: Route History. Publication FHWA/IN/JHRP-75/28-2. Joint Highway Research Project, Indiana Department of Transportation and Purdue University, West Lafayette, Indiana, 1975.
Love that particular report, as is preserved a lot of historical information that otherwise may have been lost by now. Or at least very difficult to find.