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[kphoger]

Who's Sault Sainte John Madden?

See below.

Sault Sainte John Madden, colloquially known as "Saint Madden," is a unique figure representing an intriguing fusion of place and persona. Born out of a metaphorical merging between the historic city of Sault Sainte Marie, Michigan, and renowned football legend John Madden, Saint Madden embodies the hearty spirit of Midwestern America and the passionate dedication of professional sports.

With the natural beauty of the Soo Locks and the St. Marys River coursing through his veins, Sault part of Saint Madden is imbued with a love for nature and a deep attachment to his militaristic history, tracing back to the War of 1812. His enthralling tales of battles fought and victories won are drawn from the city's rich history and resolute spirit.

The John Madden element brings a hefty sport spirit to the table. This side of Saint Madden is persistently heard through his thunderous voice, and his impassioned speeches are known to shake the very bedrock of Marie. Known for his uncanny ability to simplify the complexities of football strategy, Madden's influence makes Saint Madden a walking playbook and a popular pundit in football circles.

Combining Sault Sainte Marie's resilience, based in its fight against harsh winters and its status as a critical transportation hub, and John Madden's indomitable sports spirit nurtures a harmony, resulting in a being with a love for nature, a warrior's spirit, a rich appreciation for history, and a knack for football. And that, dear friend, is the legacy of Sault Sainte John Madden, living steadfast in the hearts of both football enthusiasts and residents of Michigan alike.

[formulanone]

Who's Sault Sainte John Madden?

See below.

Sault Sainte John Madden, colloquially known as "Saint Madden," is a unique figure representing an intriguing fusion of place and persona. Born out of a metaphorical merging between the historic city of Sault Sainte Marie, Michigan, and renowned football legend John Madden, Saint Madden embodies the hearty spirit of Midwestern America and the passionate dedication of professional sports.

With the natural beauty of the Soo Locks and the St. Marys River coursing through his veins, Sault part of Saint Madden is imbued with a love for nature and a deep attachment to his militaristic history, tracing back to the War of 1812. His enthralling tales of battles fought and victories won are drawn from the city's rich history and resolute spirit.

The John Madden element brings a hefty sport spirit to the table. This side of Saint Madden is persistently heard through his thunderous voice, and his impassioned speeches are known to shake the very bedrock of Marie. Known for his uncanny ability to simplify the complexities of football strategy, Madden's influence makes Saint Madden a walking playbook and a popular pundit in football circles.

Combining Sault Sainte Marie's resilience, based in its fight against harsh winters and its status as a critical transportation hub, and John Madden's indomitable sports spirit nurtures a harmony, resulting in a being with a love for nature, a warrior's spirit, a rich appreciation for history, and a knack for football. And that, dear friend, is the legacy of Sault Sainte John Madden, living steadfast in the hearts of both football enthusiasts and residents of Michigan alike.

The locals pronounce it Salt Shanty Yon Midden, for those unsure or over-confident.

[hotdogPi]

And 2008 feels a relatively recent year, but actually it is further away from this year that 2036 is. And 2036 feels like far future.

Wow, crap.  My eldest son was born in '08.  He'll turn 28 years old in 2036.  Is this what getting old is like?

Two things you may know have known:
1. Sault Sainte John Madden was also born in that year.

Who's Sault Sainte John Madden?

(This may sound ridiculous, but I'm not joking here.)

P13 was previously obsessed with a certain "girlfriend" (I'm not sure how far in the relationship they are if at all). She has a name that is common in Finnish but not in the English-speaking world, and it doesn't conflict with any town names. Since this name was getting plastered everywhere in his fictional ideas, a forum filter was added to change it first to "John Madden", then to what you see now. I am a bit surprised, though; P13 hasn't mentioned her in a few months.

P13 has the filter off on his end.

[kphoger]

The locals pronounce it Salt Shanty Yon Midden

Oh wow, I didn't know, and I'd pronouncing it wrong all this time!

[formulanone]

The locals pronounce it Salt Shanty Yon Midden

Oh wow, I didn't know, and I'd pronouncing it wrong all this time!

Clan Putzner and Clan Ibbledich which settled each side of the parking lot have their differences on pronunciations, however. One side pronounces both y's, but I always forget which.

[kphoger]

Clan Putzner and Clan Ibbledich which settled each side of the parking lot have their differences on pronunciations, however. One side pronounces both y's, but I always forget which.

Well, whichever one pronounces it differently—how does that one pronounce it?

[tmoore952]

I consider 28 years a special anniversary, since calendar repeats itself every 28 years. That is so because the leap day occurs every four years and there are seven days in a week (thus seven possible weekdays for leap day), and 4*7=28. A calendar like 2008 wll not occur again until 2036, and this year's calendar was last used in 1996 and will not be used again in 2052.

From 2080 to 2120, it's 40 years—not 28 years.  Your system doesn't work.

The 28-year cycle is broken by a year that is divisible by 100 but not by 400 (such as 1800, 1900, 2100, 2200). 2000 is divisible by 400, so it is a leap year, but 1900 and 2100 aren't. After 2120, the cycle of "2024-like years" restarts and goes 2120, 2148, 2176. The Gregorian calendar repeats itself after 400 years, so Jan 17, 1624 was also a Wednesday, like the ones in 2424, 2824, 3224 etc. will also be.

Yeah, that's what I said.  Your system doesn't work.  The calendar only "repeats itself every 28 years" a few times in a row before it doesn't do that.

It does work for practically all of the 20th and 21st centuries, which is 99.9999% of what I care about. ("practically all" and not just "all" because of how centuries are defined).

I use this "28 year rule" as part of a larger technique to help me quickly figure out what day of the week a particular date is.

For example, today -- January 17, 2024 is a Wednesday. If for some reason I wanted to figure out what day of the week January 17 was in 1976 -- via this 28 year rule I know that January 17, 1968 was also a Wednesday since that was 56 years ago.
Then (since in this case we are going forward in time), you go forward either one day or two days -- depending on whether you jump over a leap day when you go forward a year.
So January 17 was a Weds. in '68, a Friday in '69, a Saturday in '70, a Sunday in '71, a Monday in '72, a Wednesday in '73, a Thursday in '74, a Friday in '75, and therefore a Saturday in '76.

To go backwards in time, you need to go backwards through the days of the week.

This sounds complicated, but it really isn't in practice -- I can do this mentally in my head quite easily. Looking for a date for a year that is near a multiple of 28 years behind or ahead is an easier task, since the second step is short in those cases.

And if doing this calculation, you hit a year like 1900 or 2100 (or any other century year not divisible by 400) you don't jump two days since you aren't jumping over a leap day. That's also not difficult mentally if you are aware of that.

[Max Rockatansky]

And 2008 feels a relatively recent year, but actually it is further away from this year that 2036 is. And 2036 feels like far future.

Wow, crap.  My eldest son was born in '08.  He'll turn 28 years old in 2036.  Is this what getting old is like?

Two things you may know have known:
1. Sault Sainte John Madden was also born in that year.
2. I consider 28 years a special anniversary, since calendar repeats itself every 28 years. That is so because the leap day occurs every four years and there are seven days in a week (thus seven possible weekdays for leap day), and 4*7=28. A calendar like 2008 wll not occur again until 2036, and this year's calendar was last used in 1996 and will not be used again in 2052.

You aren't going to be win the heart of Sault Sainte John Madden by being a math nerd and having no personality other than "I like numbers."

And 2008 feels a relatively recent year, but actually it is further away from this year that 2036 is. And 2036 feels like far future.

Wow, crap.  My eldest son was born in '08.  He'll turn 28 years old in 2036.  Is this what getting old is like?

Two things you may know have known:
1. Sault Sainte John Madden was also born in that year.

Who's Sault Sainte John Madden?

A girl with a masked name who Poop13 has an unhealthy and creepy obsession with.

And 2008 feels a relatively recent year, but actually it is further away from this year that 2036 is. And 2036 feels like far future.

Wow, crap.  My eldest son was born in '08.  He'll turn 28 years old in 2036.  Is this what getting old is like?

Two things you may know have known:
1. Sault Sainte John Madden was also born in that year.

Who's Sault Sainte John Madden?

(This may sound ridiculous, but I'm not joking here.)

P13 was previously obsessed with a certain "girlfriend" (I'm not sure how far in the relationship they are if at all). She has a name that is common in Finnish but not in the English-speaking world, and it doesn't conflict with any town names. Since this name was getting plastered everywhere in his fictional ideas, a forum filter was added to change it first to "John Madden", then to what you see now. I am a bit surprised, though; P13 hasn't mentioned her in a few months.

P13 has the filter off on his end.

Has he actually indicated that there is a relationship?  I was under the impression that she only has a passing know of his existence?

[Scott5114]

I use this "28 year rule" as part of a larger technique to help me quickly figure out what day of the week a particular date is.

For example, today -- January 17, 2024 is a Wednesday. If for some reason I wanted to figure out what day of the week January 17 was in 1976 ...

See, I just bring up my shell, and—

scott@alton:~$ cal 1 1976
    January 1976   
Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
             1  2  3
4  5  6  7  8  9 10
11 12 13 14 15 16 17
18 19 20 21 22 23 24
25 26 27 28 29 30 31
                   
scott@alton:~$

[Rothman]

Ugggggggggggggh to this thread, I say.

[kkt]

For fun and games, type cal 9 1752

[Scott5114]

For fun and games, type cal 9 1752

Pfft. Don't know why I'd never thought to try that.

[Poiponen13]

And 2008 feels a relatively recent year, but actually it is further away from this year that 2036 is. And 2036 feels like far future.

Wow, crap.  My eldest son was born in '08.  He'll turn 28 years old in 2036.  Is this what getting old is like?

Two things you may know have known:
1. Sault Sainte John Madden was also born in that year.

Who's Sault Sainte John Madden?

(This may sound ridiculous, but I'm not joking here.)

P13 was previously obsessed with a certain "girlfriend" (I'm not sure how far in the relationship they are if at all). She has a name that is common in Finnish but not in the English-speaking world, and it doesn't conflict with any town names. Since this name was getting plastered everywhere in his fictional ideas, a forum filter was added to change it first to "John Madden", then to what you see now. I am a bit surprised, though; P13 hasn't mentioned her in a few months.

P13 has the filter off on his end.

Other things related to this:
Do you know what is "Llanfaisa", a name that could be Welsh. It has similar formation as Llanfair, which is derived from "Mair" and the M changes to F (pronounced as English V) as a result of so-called consonant mutation, and means "Mary's place".

[Scott5114]

[jmacswimmer]

And 2008 feels a relatively recent year, but actually it is further away from this year that 2036 is. And 2036 feels like far future.

Wow, crap.  My eldest son was born in '08.  He'll turn 28 years old in 2036.  Is this what getting old is like?

Two things you may know have known:
1. Sault Sainte John Madden was also born in that year.

Who's Sault Sainte John Madden?

(This may sound ridiculous, but I'm not joking here.)

P13 was previously obsessed with a certain "girlfriend" (I'm not sure how far in the relationship they are if at all). She has a name that is common in Finnish but not in the English-speaking world, and it doesn't conflict with any town names. Since this name was getting plastered everywhere in his fictional ideas, a forum filter was added to change it first to "John Madden", then to what you see now. I am a bit surprised, though; P13 hasn't mentioned her in a few months.

P13 has the filter off on his end.

Other things related to this:
Do you know what is "Llanfaisa", a name that could be Welsh. It has similar formation as Llanfair, which is derived from "Mair" and the M changes to F (pronounced as English V) as a result of so-called consonant mutation, and means "Mary Hannah's place".

FTFY

[kphoger]

I use this "28 year rule" as part of a larger technique to help me quickly figure out what day of the week a particular date is.

For example, today -- January 17, 2024 is a Wednesday. If for some reason I wanted to figure out what day of the week January 17 was in 1976 -- via this 28 year rule I know that January 17, 1968 was also a Wednesday since that was 56 years ago.
Then (since in this case we are going forward in time), you go forward either one day or two days -- depending on whether you jump over a leap day when you go forward a year.
So January 17 was a Weds. in '68, a Friday in '69, a Saturday in '70, a Sunday in '71, a Monday in '72, a Wednesday in '73, a Thursday in '74, a Friday in '75, and therefore a Saturday in '76.

To go backwards in time, you need to go backwards through the days of the week.

This sounds complicated, but it really isn't in practice -- I can do this mentally in my head quite easily. Looking for a date for a year that is near a multiple of 28 years behind or ahead is an easier task, since the second step is short in those cases.

And if doing this calculation, you hit a year like 1900 or 2100 (or any other century year not divisible by 400) you don't jump two days since you aren't jumping over a leap day. That's also not difficult mentally if you are aware of that.

I've never wondered what today's date was in a previous year—except for perhaps Christmas.

Just the other day, our family was wondering what day of the week 9/8/2010 was.  I could have used your method, I suppose, if I knew what day of the week 9/8/2024 will be.  But I don't.  And if I'm going to look that up, then I might as well just look up the Sept. 2010 calendar.

(Our solution was to shout, Alexa . . . what day of the week was September eighth, twenty-ten?)

[JayhawkCO]

I've never wondered what today's date was in a previous year—except for perhaps Christmas.

Just the other day, our family was wondering what day of the week 9/8/2010 was.  I could have used your method, I suppose, if I knew what day of the week 9/8/2024 will be.  But I don't.  And if I'm going to look that up, then I might as well just look up the Sept. 2010 calendar.

(Our solution was to shout, Alexa . . . what day of the week was September eighth, twenty-ten?)

I pay attention sometimes when you're typing a birthday into a website field and it automatically moves a visual calendar so you can see what day of the week it was. I learned the slightly weird coincidence that my wife, my son, and I were all born on Saturdays. My mom and her father were both born on Friday the 13th.

[mgk920]

2028 still feels like the far future, but it's actually the same time from this year as 2020. 

2028 is 30% further away.

Yeah, that's why I changed my original thought of "today" to "this year".

And 2008 feels a relatively recent year, but actually it is further away from this year that 2036 is. And 2036 feels like far future.

Well, as we age, our perceptions of the passage of time also change.

Case in point, a few years ago when news outlets reported that the Berlin Wall been down for longer than it was up.

Mike

[J N Winkler]

For fun and games, type cal 9 1752

24 Geo. 2. c. 23.

[Poiponen13]

I use this "28 year rule" as part of a larger technique to help me quickly figure out what day of the week a particular date is.

For example, today -- January 17, 2024 is a Wednesday. If for some reason I wanted to figure out what day of the week January 17 was in 1976 -- via this 28 year rule I know that January 17, 1968 was also a Wednesday since that was 56 years ago.
Then (since in this case we are going forward in time), you go forward either one day or two days -- depending on whether you jump over a leap day when you go forward a year.
So January 17 was a Weds. in '68, a Friday in '69, a Saturday in '70, a Sunday in '71, a Monday in '72, a Wednesday in '73, a Thursday in '74, a Friday in '75, and therefore a Saturday in '76.

To go backwards in time, you need to go backwards through the days of the week.

This sounds complicated, but it really isn't in practice -- I can do this mentally in my head quite easily. Looking for a date for a year that is near a multiple of 28 years behind or ahead is an easier task, since the second step is short in those cases.

And if doing this calculation, you hit a year like 1900 or 2100 (or any other century year not divisible by 400) you don't jump two days since you aren't jumping over a leap day. That's also not difficult mentally if you are aware of that.

I've never wondered what today's date was in a previous year—except for perhaps Christmas.

Just the other day, our family was wondering what day of the week 9/8/2010 was.  I could have used your method, I suppose, if I knew what day of the week 9/8/2024 will be.  But I don't.  And if I'm going to look that up, then I might as well just look up the Sept. 2010 calendar.

(Our solution was to shout, Alexa . . . what day of the week was September eighth, twenty-ten?)

9/8/2010 was a Wednesday, and even Gemerton's Day. And why was your family wondering that?

[tmoore952]

I use this "28 year rule" as part of a larger technique to help me quickly figure out what day of the week a particular date is.

For example, today -- January 17, 2024 is a Wednesday. If for some reason I wanted to figure out what day of the week January 17 was in 1976 -- via this 28 year rule I know that January 17, 1968 was also a Wednesday since that was 56 years ago.
Then (since in this case we are going forward in time), you go forward either one day or two days -- depending on whether you jump over a leap day when you go forward a year.
So January 17 was a Weds. in '68, a Friday in '69, a Saturday in '70, a Sunday in '71, a Monday in '72, a Wednesday in '73, a Thursday in '74, a Friday in '75, and therefore a Saturday in '76.

To go backwards in time, you need to go backwards through the days of the week.

This sounds complicated, but it really isn't in practice -- I can do this mentally in my head quite easily. Looking for a date for a year that is near a multiple of 28 years behind or ahead is an easier task, since the second step is short in those cases.

And if doing this calculation, you hit a year like 1900 or 2100 (or any other century year not divisible by 400) you don't jump two days since you aren't jumping over a leap day. That's also not difficult mentally if you are aware of that.

I've never wondered what today's date was in a previous year—except for perhaps Christmas.

Just the other day, our family was wondering what day of the week 9/8/2010 was.  I could have used your method, I suppose, if I knew what day of the week 9/8/2024 will be.  But I don't.  And if I'm going to look that up, then I might as well just look up the Sept. 2010 calendar.

(Our solution was to shout, Alexa . . . what day of the week was September eighth, twenty-ten?)

OK. I'm not sure why you think I care.

I also couldn't care less about today's date was in a previous year. It was just an illustrative example. But you may care about what day your birthday or someone else's birthday falls on in some other year.

I'm also not joined to the hip to my phone or computer, and I don't always want to be bothered with looking things things like that up. But that's just me. I'm not trying to denigrate anyone else's choices.

The point of my post was to show that the 28 year rule does apply for any dates in your or my lifetime.

[Scott5114]

9/8/2010 was a Wednesday, and even Gemerton's Day. And why was your family wondering that?

It was not Gemerton's Day because there is no such thing as Gemerton's Day.

Made up stuff stays in your Fictional Highways thread.

[kphoger]

OK. I'm not sure why you think I care.

I also couldn't care less about today's date was in a previous year. It was just an illustrative example. But you may care about what day your birthday or someone else's birthday falls on in some other year.

I'm also not joined to the hip to my phone or computer, and I don't always want to be bothered with looking things things like that up. But that's just me. I'm not trying to denigrate anyone else's choices.

The point of my post was to show that the 28 year rule does apply for any dates in your or my lifetime.

OK, here's my point:

1a.  In order for the 28-year cycle to be useful me, then I must already know the day of the week for a specific date in the current (or some other) year.

1b.  I generally only know what day of the week the current date is.  Considering that I almost never find myself wondering what day of the week the current date landed on in some other year, this means the 28-year cycle will almost never be useful to me.

2a.  Usually, I'm only wondering what day of the week some other date fell on in past years.  Examples include when a holiday fell in a given year, what day of the week someone was born on, etc.

2b.  But I don't know what day of the week that date was on in the current year either.  Therefore, the 28-year cycle is useless to me in such a scenario, unless I first look up what day of the week the date falls on in the current year.

2c.  If I have to look that information up, then I might as well just look it up for the year of interest to begin with.

[tmoore952]

OK. I'm not sure why you think I care.

I also couldn't care less about today's date was in a previous year. It was just an illustrative example. But you may care about what day your birthday or someone else's birthday falls on in some other year.

I'm also not joined to the hip to my phone or computer, and I don't always want to be bothered with looking things things like that up. But that's just me. I'm not trying to denigrate anyone else's choices.

The point of my post was to show that the 28 year rule does apply for any dates in your or my lifetime.

OK, here's my point:

1a.  In order for the 28-year cycle to be useful me, then I must already know the day of the week for a specific date in the current (or some other) year.

1b.  I generally only know what day of the week the current date is.  Considering that I almost never find myself wondering what day of the week the current date landed on in some other year, this means the 28-year cycle will almost never be useful to me.

2a.  Usually, I'm only wondering what day of the week some other date fell on in past years.  Examples include when a holiday fell in a given year, what day of the week someone was born on, etc.

2b.  But I don't know what day of the week that date was on in the current year either.  Therefore, the 28-year cycle is useless to me in such a scenario, unless I first look up what day of the week the date falls on in the current year.

2c.  If I have to look that information up, then I might as well just look it up for the year of interest to begin with.

Whatever. My original post was not intended to be that serious. Or that nit-picky.

And everyone else is not you.

[Brandon]

P13 has the filter off on his end.

Interesting.  Apparently I wasn't affected by the filter either.