http://www.bransondailynews.com/story.php?storyID=14411 (http://www.bransondailynews.com/story.php?storyID=14411)
I wonder if the new section would have the wide median like the existing section?
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=36.696468,-93.300834&spn=0,359.945068&z=15&layer=c&cbll=36.693071,-93.303312&panoid=awMVCoHe0ludOFd1gaY9sA&cbp=12,225.76,,0,9.08 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=36.696468,-93.300834&spn=0,359.945068&z=15&layer=c&cbll=36.693071,-93.303312&panoid=awMVCoHe0ludOFd1gaY9sA&cbp=12,225.76,,0,9.08)
Quote from: Revive 755 on January 14, 2010, 12:34:41 PM
I wonder if the new section would have the wide median like the existing section?
I remember driving along MO-265 at the intersection of MO-376 wondering how in the heck MODOT was going to be able to connect MO-465 to MO-376 through this area. If you've ever been there, it's a very interesting topography, and definitely not an easy build. I'm wondering what percentage of the 2.7-mile section would have to be completed as bridges vs. grade roadway?
Regarding MO 465 in general, from the EIS it appears the ultimate southern terminus would be a trumpet interchange with US 65 near the MO 265 interchange.
The EIS also had an alternative alignment that would have featured a trumpet interchange for the northern terminus at US 65 that would have been to the north of the current diamond interchange with US 65 (the alternative alignment was not just for the US 65 interchange - it went on much longer for the corridor).
Quote from: Revive 755 on January 14, 2010, 12:34:41 PM
http://www.bransondailynews.com/story.php?storyID=14411 (http://www.bransondailynews.com/story.php?storyID=14411)
I can't access the story.
IIRC, 465 was planned from the start to go all the way to 65 South, but there wasn't enough money.
The article has been archived by the paper, and now requires a subscription to access. Link to the partially visible article:
http://bransontrilakesnews.com/news/article_86e7a116-8f0c-54bd-a1ed-13512c15b5fd.html (http://bransontrilakesnews.com/news/article_86e7a116-8f0c-54bd-a1ed-13512c15b5fd.html)
Looks like MO 465 may have an accident problem judging from some of the other newspaper articles - but it looks like it's mainly issues with bad drivers.
:hmmm:
Constant changing plans. There is a entry in the Special Programs of the STIP 12-16, But no construction since... well, since the first phase was completed. :banghead:
Any news on the second phase other than the tiny entry?
I am well aware of the fact that this is an 8-year bump.
It still isn't done. What's the reason now?
Quote from: X99 on July 24, 2019, 06:54:36 PM
I am well aware of the fact that this is an 8-year bump.
It still isn't done. What's the reason now?
Last excuse I heard is they didn't think traffic counts would warrant it.
Quote from: US71 on July 25, 2019, 09:12:52 AM
Quote from: X99 on July 24, 2019, 06:54:36 PM
I am well aware of the fact that this is an 8-year bump.
It still isn't done. What's the reason now?
Last excuse I heard is they didn't think traffic counts would warrant it.
That makes sense- traffic counts don't warrant a full freeway back to US 65. But in the meantime, couldn't they make it a two-lane road with at-grade crossings, following one side of the planned freeway and its ramps?
Passed over the south end of 465 a few days ago and saw what appeared to be new pavement on the southbound mainline past the point where the ramp splits off to 76, as well as a barrier as wide as the mainline with flashing yellow lights on it (it was a solid piece of material, I think wood). Does this mean anything, or did I just not notice it there before?
Quote from: X99 on July 30, 2019, 12:23:18 AM
Passed over the south end of 465 a few days ago and saw what appeared to be new pavement on the southbound mainline past the point where the ramp splits off to 76, as well as a barrier as wide as the mainline with flashing yellow lights on it (it was a solid piece of material, I think wood). Does this mean anything, or did I just not notice it there before?
The stub south of 76 Hwy hasn't been paved except for a few yards south of the interchange. Everything from there on south has been unpaved roadbed. If the pavement extended beyond the wooden sign you saw, then that is indeed new. If not, then it's the way it's been for years. The sign itself was erected within the last several years, but it's been there for at least a couple by now.
Quote from: kphoger on July 30, 2019, 02:37:03 PM
Quote from: X99 on July 30, 2019, 12:23:18 AM
Passed over the south end of 465 a few days ago and saw what appeared to be new pavement on the southbound mainline past the point where the ramp splits off to 76, as well as a barrier as wide as the mainline with flashing yellow lights on it (it was a solid piece of material, I think wood). Does this mean anything, or did I just not notice it there before?
The stub south of 76 Hwy hasn't been paved except for a few yards south of the interchange. Everything from there on south has been unpaved roadbed. If the pavement extended beyond the wooden sign you saw, then that is indeed new. If not, then it's the way it's been for years. The sign itself was erected within the last several years, but it's been there for at least a couple by now.
(https://i.imgur.com/qjBGa2K.png)
The pavement visible between the sign and the camera car. I understand it being paved, but why would it be maintained if it's unused?
I clicked on the Link (that doesn't work anymore), and at the bottom of the page I found this link: http://bransontrilakesnews.com/news_free/article_6703fe12-bad9-11e9-835b-834ba6414052.html (http://bransontrilakesnews.com/news_free/article_6703fe12-bad9-11e9-835b-834ba6414052.html)
It talks about a possible new expressway from the US-65 X Industrial Park Drive interchange to Kirbyville, involving bypassing Route BB in Hollister & upgrading Coon Creek Road. The idea first came up about thirty years ago and it looks as if it is finally gaining some momentum. Taney County is waiting for a federal grant for this 24 million or so dollar project. This isn't directly related to MO 465 but is another major project in the area.
Another useful link: https://www.ky3.com/content/news/Taney-County-asks-for-input-on-new-expressway-plans-487788681.html (https://www.ky3.com/content/news/Taney-County-asks-for-input-on-new-expressway-plans-487788681.html)
New information out of MoDOT's new bid just got released; I saw the plans for Job J8O2373C and it looks like the MO 465 designation will be removed. MO 76 will be rerouted onto the Ozark Mountain Highroad Freeway (now formerly MO 465), travel with US 65 between MO F and Main Street, and then continue it's current route onto Main St east of US 65. MO 76 will no longer go through Branson on 76 Country Blvd. MO 376 will continue west of Shepherd of the Hills Expwy and end at the MO 76 / former MO 465 interchange.
Blueprints here: https://www6.modot.mo.gov/eBidLettingPublicWeb/viewFileStream.do?documentType=plan&key=8157
So with this information, I speculate the following:
1.) MoDOT is trying to increase traffic on the Ozark Mountain Highroad Freeway with the MO 76 designation and get traffic to bypass 76 Country Blvd
2.) City of Branson wants to decrease through traffic on 76 Country Blvd and will maintain that road
3.) MoDOT won't extend the Ozark Mountain Highroad Freeway south of MO 76
Look like I will be talking some pictures of the 465 signs before they disappear next time I go to Silver Dollar City.
SM-G965U
Quote from: UAN51 on September 13, 2019, 05:39:58 PM
New information out of MoDOT's new bid just got released; I saw the plans for Job J8O2373C and it looks like the MO 465 designation will be removed. MO 76 will be rerouted onto the Ozark Mountain Highroad Freeway (now formerly MO 465), travel with US 65 between MO F and Main Street, and then continue it's current route onto Main St east of US 65. MO 76 will no longer go through Branson on 76 Country Blvd. MO 376 will continue west of Shepherd of the Hills Expwy and end at the MO 76 / former MO 465 interchange.
Blueprints here: https://www6.modot.mo.gov/eBidLettingPublicWeb/viewFileStream.do?documentType=plan&key=8157
So with this information, I speculate the following:
1.) MoDOT is trying to increase traffic on the Ozark Mountain Highroad Freeway with the MO 76 designation and get traffic to bypass 76 Country Blvd
2.) City of Branson wants to decrease through traffic on 76 Country Blvd and will maintain that road
3.) MoDOT won't extend the Ozark Mountain Highroad Freeway south of MO 76
Something I noticed on Page 54 of that pdf is that the current MO-376 will be signed as MO-376 West at the intersection with MO-265. It's kind of weird because the road is heading to the east. The part of 376 that's taking over MO-76 is fine.
Quote from: UAN51 on September 13, 2019, 05:39:58 PM
3.) MoDOT won't extend the Ozark Mountain Highroad Freeway south of MO 76
While this is extension is unlikely anyway given MoDOT's financial difficulties, if it did come back to life I could see MoDOT relocating MO 265 onto it, given the proximity of the southern half to MO 265. There's also plenty of x76's left for MoDOT to use on it.
Also interesting/of note is the draft EIS (Google Books link (https://books.google.com/books?id=Q8w1AQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=ozark+mountain+highroad&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjmnqCW0NDkAhUBSa0KHUvBD9IQ6AEwAHoECAAQAg#v=onepage&q=ozark%20mountain%20highroad&f=false)) showed a "future connection by state" which would act like more of a cutoff for MO 76 from maybe West Branson (the map does not show the western end) to the Highroad shortly after the curve southward
Quote from: UAN51 on September 13, 2019, 05:39:58 PM
New information out of MoDOT's new bid just got released; I saw the plans for Job J8O2373C and it looks like the MO 465 designation will be removed. MO 76 will be rerouted onto the Ozark Mountain Highroad Freeway (now formerly MO 465), travel with US 65 between MO F and Main Street, and then continue it's current route onto Main St east of US 65. MO 76 will no longer go through Branson on 76 Country Blvd. MO 376 will continue west of Shepherd of the Hills Expwy and end at the MO 76 / former MO 465 interchange.
Blueprints here: https://www6.modot.mo.gov/eBidLettingPublicWeb/viewFileStream.do?documentType=plan&key=8157
So with this information, I speculate the following:
1.) MoDOT is trying to increase traffic on the Ozark Mountain Highroad Freeway with the MO 76 designation and get traffic to bypass 76 Country Blvd
2.) City of Branson wants to decrease through traffic on 76 Country Blvd and will maintain that road
3.) MoDOT won't extend the Ozark Mountain Highroad Freeway south of MO 76
So will 76 Country Boulevard be resigned as MO 76 Business? It's already named after the highway number.
Quote from: Revive 755 on September 14, 2019, 11:36:20 AM
Quote from: UAN51 on September 13, 2019, 05:39:58 PM
3.) MoDOT won't extend the Ozark Mountain Highroad Freeway south of MO 76
While this is extension is unlikely anyway given MoDOT's financial difficulties, if it did come back to life I could see MoDOT relocating MO 265 onto it, given the proximity of the southern half to MO 265. There's also plenty of x76's left for MoDOT to use on it.
Also interesting/of note is the draft EIS (Google Books link (https://books.google.com/books?id=Q8w1AQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=ozark+mountain+highroad&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjmnqCW0NDkAhUBSa0KHUvBD9IQ6AEwAHoECAAQAg#v=onepage&q=ozark%20mountain%20highroad&f=false)) showed a "future connection by state" which would act like more of a cutoff for MO 76 from maybe West Branson (the map does not show the western end) to the Highroad shortly after the curve southward
If the southern extension gets considered, it will probably be a super-2 lane highway with asymmetrical 3 lanes in some parts all the way to US-65.
I find the document interesting that MoDOT once considered an extension to Branson West.
Quote from: X99 on September 16, 2019, 12:35:29 PM
Quote from: UAN51 on September 13, 2019, 05:39:58 PM
New information out of MoDOT's new bid just got released; I saw the plans for Job J8O2373C and it looks like the MO 465 designation will be removed. MO 76 will be rerouted onto the Ozark Mountain Highroad Freeway (now formerly MO 465), travel with US 65 between MO F and Main Street, and then continue it's current route onto Main St east of US 65. MO 76 will no longer go through Branson on 76 Country Blvd. MO 376 will continue west of Shepherd of the Hills Expwy and end at the MO 76 / former MO 465 interchange.
Blueprints here: https://www6.modot.mo.gov/eBidLettingPublicWeb/viewFileStream.do?documentType=plan&key=8157
So with this information, I speculate the following:
1.) MoDOT is trying to increase traffic on the Ozark Mountain Highroad Freeway with the MO 76 designation and get traffic to bypass 76 Country Blvd
2.) City of Branson wants to decrease through traffic on 76 Country Blvd and will maintain that road
3.) MoDOT won't extend the Ozark Mountain Highroad Freeway south of MO 76
So will 76 Country Boulevard be resigned as MO 76 Business? It's already named after the highway number.
Seeing the document, MO 76 Business will most likely not exist on 76 Country Blvd. What will most likely happen is that the City of Branson, MO will take over maintenance of the road. Browsing in the web, the City of Branson, MO wanted to make this corridor a Complete Street but won't start until 2020. Found a 2019 article about the project too: https://www.ozarksfirst.com/local-news/76-highway-project-moving-forward/
It seemed like they wanted to do this for years but could not get enough funding to finish quickly (2017): https://www.constructionequipmentguide.com/major-roadway-revitalization-under-way-in-branson-mo/32648
Quote from: UAN51 on September 18, 2019, 11:40:45 AM
Seeing the document, MO 76 Business will most likely not exist on 76 Country Blvd. What will most likely happen is that the City of Branson, MO will take over maintenance of the road.
Similar to the turn-back of US-65(B) when they constructed the Skaggs roundabout, I suppose.
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Quote from: UAN51 on October 26, 2019, 03:32:03 PM
More news --> http://bransontrilakesnews.com/news_free/article_de78b4ec-f1cf-11e9-911f-e71e85727f0c.html
Google Maps, OpenStreetMap, and Wikipedia have not reflected this change yet as of my posting this.
Quote from: X99 on October 27, 2019, 12:10:13 AM
Quote from: UAN51 on October 26, 2019, 03:32:03 PM
More news --> http://bransontrilakesnews.com/news_free/article_de78b4ec-f1cf-11e9-911f-e71e85727f0c.html
Google Maps, OpenStreetMap, and Wikipedia have not reflected this change yet as of my posting this.
I'll try to drive down there sometime and recommend the change to Google only once the signs are corrected. Since so many people use google maps I would want the signs and maps to be on the same page to avoid as much confusion as possible.
Quote from: ozarkman417 on October 27, 2019, 12:13:11 AM
Quote from: X99 on October 27, 2019, 12:10:13 AM
Quote from: UAN51 on October 26, 2019, 03:32:03 PM
More news --> http://bransontrilakesnews.com/news_free/article_de78b4ec-f1cf-11e9-911f-e71e85727f0c.html
Google Maps, OpenStreetMap, and Wikipedia have not reflected this change yet as of my posting this.
I'll try to drive down there sometime and recommend the change to Google only once the signs are corrected. Since so many people use google maps I would want the signs and maps to be on the same page to avoid as much confusion as possible.
Not like Google really cares whether their maps reflect reality any more anyway.
Quote from: X99 on October 27, 2019, 12:10:13 AM
Quote from: UAN51 on October 26, 2019, 03:32:03 PM
More news --> http://bransontrilakesnews.com/news_free/article_de78b4ec-f1cf-11e9-911f-e71e85727f0c.html
Google Maps, OpenStreetMap, and Wikipedia have not reflected this change yet as of my posting this.
Have you checked Here /Here We Go maps?
Quote from: US71 on October 27, 2019, 09:19:10 AM
Quote from: X99 on October 27, 2019, 12:10:13 AM
Quote from: UAN51 on October 26, 2019, 03:32:03 PM
More news --> http://bransontrilakesnews.com/news_free/article_de78b4ec-f1cf-11e9-911f-e71e85727f0c.html
Google Maps, OpenStreetMap, and Wikipedia have not reflected this change yet as of my posting this.
Have you checked Here /Here We Go maps?
Just did. MO 465 is still labeled on the Highroad.
Quote from: X99 on October 27, 2019, 02:57:26 PM
Quote from: US71 on October 27, 2019, 09:19:10 AM
Quote from: X99 on October 27, 2019, 12:10:13 AM
Quote from: UAN51 on October 26, 2019, 03:32:03 PM
More news --> http://bransontrilakesnews.com/news_free/article_de78b4ec-f1cf-11e9-911f-e71e85727f0c.html
Google Maps, OpenStreetMap, and Wikipedia have not reflected this change yet as of my posting this.
Have you checked Here /Here We Go maps?
Just did. MO 465 is still labeled on the Highroad.
Odd. They are usually good about updates.
I checked the Notice to Proceed date for the project and it's listed as Dec 9, 2019. Will Google Maps change the route numbers before they even start changing out the signs?
Quote from: mvak36 on October 27, 2019, 10:52:13 PM
I checked the Notice to Proceed date for the project and it's listed as Dec 9, 2019. Will Google Maps change the route numbers before they even start changing out the signs?
Maybe if someone tells them?
Quote from: US71 on October 27, 2019, 10:55:56 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on October 27, 2019, 10:52:13 PM
I checked the Notice to Proceed date for the project and it's listed as Dec 9, 2019. Will Google Maps change the route numbers before they even start changing out the signs?
Maybe if someone tells them?
Maybe MODOT has to tell them like Iowa DOT did with I-880.
How many agree with me that MO 465's "temporary" terminus at MO 76 will be, in fact, it's permanent terminus?
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 29, 2019, 05:08:14 PM
How many agree with me that MO 465's "temporary" terminus at MO 76 will be, in fact, it's permanent terminus?
MO 465 got de-commissioned before it could ever move south of MO 76, So I suppose you could say it was the permanent terminus.
Quote from: ozarkman417 on October 30, 2019, 10:34:03 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 29, 2019, 05:08:14 PM
How many agree with me that MO 465's "temporary" terminus at MO 76 will be, in fact, it's permanent terminus?
MO 465 got de-commissioned before it could ever move south of MO 76, So I suppose you could say it was the permanent terminus.
If that's the case, then the end of the freeway should be reconfigured. Here's my proposal for the reconfiguration. (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1exCzTCtnMh5Vv7sdnD4NqvRX5ghWK8dM&usp=sharing) Doesn't necessarily have to be this, but keeping MO 76 on a continuous mainline seems like it would help to keep traffic off of the Boulevard, in addition to the renumbering.
Quote from: X99 on October 31, 2019, 10:13:33 AM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on October 30, 2019, 10:34:03 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 29, 2019, 05:08:14 PM
How many agree with me that MO 465's "temporary" terminus at MO 76 will be, in fact, it's permanent terminus?
MO 465 got de-commissioned before it could ever move south of MO 76, So I suppose you could say it was the permanent terminus.
If that's the case, then the end of the freeway should be reconfigured. Here's my proposal for the reconfiguration. (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1exCzTCtnMh5Vv7sdnD4NqvRX5ghWK8dM&usp=sharing) Doesn't necessarily have to be this, but keeping MO 76 on a continuous mainline seems like it would help to keep traffic off of the Boulevard, in addition to the renumbering.
Having a free-flow interchange like that will most certainly help with the Silver Dollar City (the only real reason I use the highroad) Traffic. When the park opens, traffic actually backs up on to what was MO 465 just before opening time, occasionally.
It almost feels as if having the roadbed south of MO 76 was there to provide a false sense of hope throughout my childhood.
Quote from: ozarkman417 on October 31, 2019, 05:41:25 PM
Quote from: X99 on October 31, 2019, 10:13:33 AM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on October 30, 2019, 10:34:03 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 29, 2019, 05:08:14 PM
How many agree with me that MO 465's "temporary" terminus at MO 76 will be, in fact, it's permanent terminus?
MO 465 got de-commissioned before it could ever move south of MO 76, So I suppose you could say it was the permanent terminus.
If that's the case, then the end of the freeway should be reconfigured. Here's my proposal for the reconfiguration. (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1exCzTCtnMh5Vv7sdnD4NqvRX5ghWK8dM&usp=sharing) Doesn't necessarily have to be this, but keeping MO 76 on a continuous mainline seems like it would help to keep traffic off of the Boulevard, in addition to the renumbering.
Having a free-flow interchange like that will most certainly help with the Silver Dollar City (the only real reason I use the highroad) Traffic. When the park opens, traffic actually backs up on to what was MO 465 just before opening time, occasionally.
It almost feels as if having the roadbed south of MO 76 was there to provide a false sense of hope throughout my childhood.
Does anyone know if the state actually acquired all of the right-of-way to have completed the road, or just the right-of-way they actually graded? I don't know what the prospects are for actual growth of Branson at this point as my generation doesn't much care to sit in theaters anyway for shows, so unless several are ultimately razed with something more adventure or experience related replacing them, the strip will progressively decay and traffic issues will take care of themselves anyway. Branson can't cater to the show crowd forever as the demographics of the area progressively change away from shows as a form of entertainment.
Quote from: MikieTimT on November 05, 2019, 09:17:01 AM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on October 31, 2019, 05:41:25 PM
Quote from: X99 on October 31, 2019, 10:13:33 AM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on October 30, 2019, 10:34:03 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 29, 2019, 05:08:14 PM
How many agree with me that MO 465's "temporary" terminus at MO 76 will be, in fact, it's permanent terminus?
MO 465 got de-commissioned before it could ever move south of MO 76, So I suppose you could say it was the permanent terminus.
If that's the case, then the end of the freeway should be reconfigured. Here's my proposal for the reconfiguration. (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1exCzTCtnMh5Vv7sdnD4NqvRX5ghWK8dM&usp=sharing) Doesn't necessarily have to be this, but keeping MO 76 on a continuous mainline seems like it would help to keep traffic off of the Boulevard, in addition to the renumbering.
Having a free-flow interchange like that will most certainly help with the Silver Dollar City (the only real reason I use the highroad) Traffic. When the park opens, traffic actually backs up on to what was MO 465 just before opening time, occasionally.
It almost feels as if having the roadbed south of MO 76 was there to provide a false sense of hope throughout my childhood.
Does anyone know if the state actually acquired all of the right-of-way to have completed the road, or just the right-of-way they actually graded? I don't know what the prospects are for actual growth of Branson at this point as my generation doesn't much care to sit in theaters anyway for shows, so unless several are ultimately razed with something more adventure or experience related replacing them, the strip will progressively decay and traffic issues will take care of themselves anyway. Branson can't cater to the show crowd forever as the demographics of the area progressively change away from shows as a form of entertainment.
There are a few spots that I know of on the Strip that are already upgrading to appeal to newer generations, like the adventure park and the go-kart tracks. There was also something that seemed to be a children's museum going up when I was down there last summer. Branson is primarily a tourism destination now. I would think that they would try to keep that going.
https://www.ky3.com/content/news/The-future-of-Ozark-Mountain-Highroad-MoDOT-has-no-plans-to-complete-Hwy-465-564627821.html
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The original plan was to continue with phase-two of the Highroad, but MoDOT officials say the end to that plan is now nowhere in sight.
"Unfortunately, there's just not the funding there to complete the project," MoDOT Area Engineer Beth Schaller said.
The state already owns the right-of-way for phase-two, which would continue the loop around Branson, back to Highway 65 on the south.
....
Even local leaders want the road done.
"Every time we meet with Stone County especially, because everything ends there, they've really wanted to prioritize getting this extended to at least Highway 265," Schaller said.
However, Schaller says, right now the highway department has no plans for completion of the Highroad.
"We've got good public support for maintaining what we've got," Schaller said.
So, for now, what's left of the blocked-off dirt path, will continue to lead to nowhere.
"There are a lot of things I'd really love to see if we had the funding," Schaller said.
Back in the late 80's and early 90's, the then-Governor John Ashcroft said the road was needed to help with the Branson tourist boom of the nineties. It took about eight years to complete.
Quote from: mvak36 on November 08, 2019, 09:18:40 AM
https://www.ky3.com/content/news/The-future-of-Ozark-Mountain-Highroad-MoDOT-has-no-plans-to-complete-Hwy-465-564627821.html
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The original plan was to continue with phase-two of the Highroad, but MoDOT officials say the end to that plan is now nowhere in sight.
"Unfortunately, there's just not the funding there to complete the project," MoDOT Area Engineer Beth Schaller said.
The state already owns the right-of-way for phase-two, which would continue the loop around Branson, back to Highway 65 on the south.
....
Even local leaders want the road done.
"Every time we meet with Stone County especially, because everything ends there, they've really wanted to prioritize getting this extended to at least Highway 265," Schaller said.
However, Schaller says, right now the highway department has no plans for completion of the Highroad.
"We've got good public support for maintaining what we've got," Schaller said.
So, for now, what's left of the blocked-off dirt path, will continue to lead to nowhere.
"There are a lot of things I'd really love to see if we had the funding," Schaller said.
Back in the late 80's and early 90's, the then-Governor John Ashcroft said the road was needed to help with the Branson tourist boom of the nineties. It took about eight years to complete.
They could have at least finished it as an at-grade expressway, or at least cut down some of the trees in the ROW and made it a walking trail.
Official word from MODOT: MO 465 (https://www.modot.org/node/17349) is being replaced by MO 76 by March 2020.
Quote from: US71 on December 02, 2019, 03:01:44 PM
Official word from MODOT: MO 465 (https://www.modot.org/node/17349) is being replaced by MO 76 by March 2020.
Does this mean the freeway's completion is permanently cancelled? If so, are there any plans to reconfigure the incomplete interchange, such as the idea I posted earlier?
Quote from: X99 on December 02, 2019, 08:03:19 PM
Quote from: US71 on December 02, 2019, 03:01:44 PM
Official word from MODOT: MO 465 (https://www.modot.org/node/17349) is being replaced by MO 76 by March 2020.
Does this mean the freeway's completion is permanently cancelled? If so, are there any plans to reconfigure the incomplete interchange, such as the idea I posted earlier?
If there is (which I do not think there is), it's part of a separate project. The only thing mentioned on both the pdf & link are the changes in routing (unless I missed something). I looked at MODOT's STIP map, and the only project shown there is pavement resurfacing.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49160776108_011c81ff7e.jpg)
Quote from: ozarkman417 on December 02, 2019, 09:25:19 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49160776108_011c81ff7e.jpg)
Shouldn't Branson be over Rowley's head (and 76 over his dad) since the road came first?
Either way, post that to Roadgeek Memes. I would do it, but I don't want to steal.
No signs have been replaced as of yet along the high road section of the project. A portable VMS in the area displayed the following:
ROUTE 465 SIGNAGE REPLACEMENT BEGINS WEEK OF JAN 06 2020
Quote from: ozarkman417 on January 01, 2020, 03:16:33 PM
No signs have been replaced as of yet along the high road section of the project. A portable VMS in the area displayed the following:
ROUTE 465 SIGNAGE REPLACEMENT BEGINS WEEK OF JAN 06 2020
Rest in peace, MO 465...
From GSV because my picture of it is illegible.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200106/97922a484de039f59a0b58d147d65afd.jpg)
MODOT changing out the signs near Branson. Courtesy David F. Backlin (aka "Power of 7" on MTR)
(https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/84598856_10158182303359744_7620155956092993536_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ohc=Jo5H9Kh30scAX8ovJya&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=ac51152f870534b636bbdbb1a77a5637&oe=5EDC0F63)
Quote from: US71 on February 03, 2020, 02:01:43 PM
MODOT changing out the signs near Branson. Courtesy David F. Backlin (aka "Power of 7" on MTR)
(https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/84598856_10158182303359744_7620155956092993536_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ohc=Jo5H9Kh30scAX8ovJya&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=ac51152f870534b636bbdbb1a77a5637&oe=5EDC0F63)
I totally didn't realize until today that the northern end of US-65 Business was relocated from the 65/248 junction to the 65/76 junction. Shall I assume that happened when the Skaggs roundabout was constructed?
Quote from: kphoger on February 03, 2020, 02:05:35 PM
Quote from: US71 on February 03, 2020, 02:01:43 PM
MODOT changing out the signs near Branson. Courtesy David F. Backlin (aka "Power of 7" on MTR)
(https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/84598856_10158182303359744_7620155956092993536_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ohc=Jo5H9Kh30scAX8ovJya&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=ac51152f870534b636bbdbb1a77a5637&oe=5EDC0F63)
I totally didn't realize until today that the northern end of US-65 Business was relocated from the 65/248 junction to the 65/76 junction. Shall I assume that happened when the Skaggs roundabout was constructed?
I think so, but I don't remember for sure.
Did he by chance get any photos on the high road itself?
Quote from: ozarkman417 on February 03, 2020, 05:48:55 PM
Did he by chance get any photos on the high road itself?
No. This was a simple drive-by.
RIP MO 465
(https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/84979095_10158185769559744_8472101215046467584_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ohc=NrY-1bdcXCEAX8ts2EO&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=7f120b919ee8cdb69d46f1e7b38fff9c&oe=5ECED43E)
Quote from: US71 on February 04, 2020, 04:05:46 PM
RIP MO 465
I'll only accept that it's gone when Google Maps says it's gone. Until then, it lives on.
It's always been "the high road" to locals, though, and that it remains. Similarly, few locals referred to "the strip" as "76 highway" to begin with either.
Quote from: X99 on February 04, 2020, 04:14:14 PM
Quote from: US71 on February 04, 2020, 04:05:46 PM
RIP MO 465
I'll only accept that it's gone when Google Maps says it's gone. Until then, it lives on.
Shouldn't be too long, since I notified them :)
Looking at the signs installed on the gantry in the background, I can only make out one shield on the sign to the left, and there is no text to side of the right shield on the right sign, so that must be one of the few signs not changed. I would try to get down there this weekend but that's hard to do without a license.
Quote from: US71 on February 04, 2020, 08:30:51 PM
Quote from: X99 on February 04, 2020, 04:14:14 PM
Quote from: US71 on February 04, 2020, 04:05:46 PM
RIP MO 465
I'll only accept that it's gone when Google Maps says it's gone. Until then, it lives on.
Shouldn't be too long, since I notified them :)
They may take our signs, but they'll never take our old Street View images!
I wonder as to when the MoDOT traveler information map will be updated to reflect the changes.
Quote from: ozarkman417 on February 04, 2020, 08:50:31 PM
Looking at the signs installed on the gantry in the background, I can only make out one shield on the sign to the left, and there is no text to side of the right shield on the right sign, so that must be one of the few signs not changed. I would try to get down there this weekend but that's hard to do without a license.
hehehe.... I know plenty of people in your area who drive without a license..... :biggrin:
Do 165 and 376 still exist with hanging ends?
Quote from: NE2 on February 05, 2020, 02:23:02 PM
Do 165 and 376 still exist with hanging ends?
I've seen no indication that 165 is being changed, so I guess it will have a hanging end. (For some reason, I thought Taney CH-165 continued past MO-165's northern terminus, but apparently that's not correct. ??)
However, MO-376 will not have a hanging end. AIUI,
this will be the new MO-376. (https://goo.gl/maps/oEjc6JvKY8xFa6e57)
Quote from: kphoger on February 05, 2020, 03:13:37 PM
(For some reason, I thought Taney CH-165 continued past MO-165's northern terminus, but apparently that's not correct. ??)
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.6496105,-93.2646267,3a,15y,205.99h,90.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLp2fXP0h5dTakIeRfFD_sg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Quote from: kphoger on February 05, 2020, 01:31:10 PM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on February 04, 2020, 08:50:31 PM
Looking at the signs installed on the gantry in the background, I can only make out one shield on the sign to the left, and there is no text to side of the right shield on the right sign, so that must be one of the few signs not changed. I would try to get down there this weekend but that's hard to do without a license.
hehehe.... I know plenty of people in your area who drive without a license..... :biggrin:
Just because everyone does it, doesn't make it right. :pan:
Quote from: US71 on February 04, 2020, 08:30:51 PM
Quote from: X99 on February 04, 2020, 04:14:14 PM
Quote from: US71 on February 04, 2020, 04:05:46 PM
RIP MO 465
I'll only accept that it's gone when Google Maps says it's gone. Until then, it lives on.
Shouldn't be too long, since I notified them :)
So innocent, thinking Google Maps actually listens to your input...
Quote from: US 89 on February 05, 2020, 07:19:46 PM
Quote from: US71 on February 04, 2020, 08:30:51 PM
Quote from: X99 on February 04, 2020, 04:14:14 PM
Quote from: US71 on February 04, 2020, 04:05:46 PM
RIP MO 465
I'll only accept that it's gone when Google Maps says it's gone. Until then, it lives on.
Shouldn't be too long, since I notified them :)
So innocent, thinking Google Maps actually listens to your input...
Occasionally, they do. Sometimes, they even get it right.
The Wikipedia articles for these routes are a mess. 76 and 376 are unchanged, while 465 labels the route as active and inactive at the same time, with no references.
Quote from: X99 on February 05, 2020, 09:57:36 PM
The Wikipedia articles for these routes are a mess. 76 and 376 are unchanged, while 465 labels the route as active and inactive at the same time, with no references.
Feel free to change it :)
I'm trying to change it right now, that's why any errors may be popping up. I haven't done a whole lot when it comes to changes to wikipedia, so feel free to fix any mess i may have made. I have worked on the articles of 465, US-65, and 76.
Quote from: US 89 on February 05, 2020, 07:19:46 PM
Quote from: US71 on February 04, 2020, 08:30:51 PM
Quote from: X99 on February 04, 2020, 04:14:14 PM
Quote from: US71 on February 04, 2020, 04:05:46 PM
RIP MO 465
I'll only accept that it's gone when Google Maps says it's gone. Until then, it lives on.
Shouldn't be too long, since I notified them :)
So innocent, thinking Google Maps actually listens to your input...
As long as some photographic evidence is sent, there is a
chance.
Quote from: ozarkman417 on February 05, 2020, 10:10:38 PM
I'm trying to change it right now, that's why any errors may be popping up. I haven't done a whole lot when it comes to changes to wikipedia, so feel free to fix any mess i may have made. I have worked on the articles of 465, US-65, and 76.
So that's who 417Mario is. Alright, I can try to fix a few thi-
...runs
congruent with US 65?
*keeps reading*
You marked the whole segment backwards, and put the routing change in the route description instead of the route history. It's fixed now on the 76 page, but I haven't checked the rest yet.
Quote from: X99 on February 06, 2020, 10:45:55 AM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on February 05, 2020, 10:10:38 PM
I'm trying to change it right now, that's why any errors may be popping up. I haven't done a whole lot when it comes to changes to wikipedia, so feel free to fix any mess i may have made. I have worked on the articles of 465, US-65, and 76.
So that's who 417Mario is. Alright, I can try to fix a few thi-
...runs congruent with US 65?
*keeps reading*
You marked the whole segment backwards, and put the routing change in the route description instead of the route history. It's fixed now on the 76 page, but I haven't checked the rest yet.
Thanks for correcting my edits, I didn't get to the intersections part as I didn't have time, but the table is broken as of right now. I can't do anything about it because my school's IP address is blocked from editing.
Quote from: NE2 on February 05, 2020, 06:32:22 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 05, 2020, 03:13:37 PM
(For some reason, I thought Taney CH-165 continued past MO-165's northern terminus, but apparently that's not correct. ??)
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.6496105,-93.2646267,3a,15y,205.99h,90.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLp2fXP0h5dTakIeRfFD_sg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
In that case... The terminus of MO-165 might only be
sort of dangling, as the number might continue as a county highway with the same number.
Quote from: ozarkman417 on February 06, 2020, 11:47:02 AM
Quote from: X99 on February 06, 2020, 10:45:55 AM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on February 05, 2020, 10:10:38 PM
I'm trying to change it right now, that's why any errors may be popping up. I haven't done a whole lot when it comes to changes to wikipedia, so feel free to fix any mess i may have made. I have worked on the articles of 465, US-65, and 76.
So that's who 417Mario is. Alright, I can try to fix a few thi-
...runs congruent with US 65?
*keeps reading*
You marked the whole segment backwards, and put the routing change in the route description instead of the route history. It's fixed now on the 76 page, but I haven't checked the rest yet.
Thanks for correcting my edits, I didn't get to the intersections part as I didn't have time, but the table is broken as of right now. I can't do anything about it because my school's IP address is blocked from editing.
If you have a Wikipedia account, it shouldn't block you since you registered with them. I used to edit Wikipedia pages in high school all the time, mostly to fix grammar errors.
HERE WeGo Maps shows MO 76 signed on the Highroad, but curiously still shows a 465 shield on the loop ramp at the west end. Google Maps and OSM still show the existence of MO 465.
Quote from: X99 on February 19, 2020, 09:09:32 PM
HERE WeGo Maps shows MO 76 signed on the Highroad, but curiously still shows a 465 shield on the loop ramp at the west end. Google Maps and OSM still show the existence of MO 465.
MODOT's traveler information map still shows the highroad as MO 465. Their mobile app relies on Google Maps, but their website is on its own.
I finally got the opportunity to see some of the new signage for myself, and by some I mean only the area around the interchange with Route 65, as my drive to Mark Twain Natl Forest took me on Route F, a previously untraveled road for me.
I did a full trip around the project area going clockwise. All signs are replaced and work zones are gone, so the project is complete (its probably been that way for at least a month, but its the first time I've seen it).
Seeing the empty Branson strip was quite... eerie. I have several shots where there are no cars whatsoever. Don't expect Google to update the routing anytime soon, as they are prioritizing "critical services" and other COVID-19 related changes.
Quote from: ozarkman417 on April 26, 2020, 07:59:20 PM
I did a full trip around the project area going clockwise. All signs are replaced and work zones are gone, so the project is complete (its probably been that way for at least a month, but its the first time I've seen it).
Seeing the empty Branson strip was quite... eerie. I have several shots where there are no cars whatsoever. Don't expect Google to update the routing anytime soon, as they are prioritizing "critical services" and other COVID-19 related changes.
You said something previously about the on-line maps not being updated. Has this changed?
Quote from: US71 on April 26, 2020, 08:20:53 PM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on April 26, 2020, 07:59:20 PM
I did a full trip around the project area going clockwise. All signs are replaced and work zones are gone, so the project is complete (its probably been that way for at least a month, but its the first time I've seen it).
Seeing the empty Branson strip was quite... eerie. I have several shots where there are no cars whatsoever. Don't expect Google to update the routing anytime soon, as they are prioritizing "critical services" and other COVID-19 related changes.
You said something previously about the on-line maps not being updated. Has this changed?
Quote from: ozarkman417 on February 05, 2020, 12:20:08 PM
I wonder as to when the MoDOT traveler information map (https://traveler.modot.org/map/index.html) will be updated to reflect the changes.
No, MoDOT's official online map is still not updated to reflect the changes. It's updated plenty for weather and other smaller projects. In theory, the map could be updated as late as mid to late May, based on this info from the project page:
Quote from: MoDOT Southwest District- Route 76 Routing Changes
The project is scheduled for overall completion by mid-May 2020.
I'm not sure what is left for them to do, especially since like I said before, the work zones are gone.