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Started by andy3175, July 20, 2016, 12:17:21 AM

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pderocco

How many states have or had distinct internal and external numbering systems?


Max Rockatansky

Oregon still does.

cahwyguy

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 23, 2024, 07:54:27 AMWhat intrigues me is that seemingly these would have used the Legislative Route Numbers.  The rationale for why that changed hasn't emerged quite yet. 

More likely, they hadn't made the determination that they wouldn't use the legislative numbers yet. For prototypes, use of the legislative numbers was a reasonable assumption, but not necessarily a given.
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Rothman

Quote from: pderocco on September 23, 2024, 08:11:23 PMHow many states have or had distinct internal and external numbering systems?

Depends on what you mean, exactly.  NYSDOT maintains state highway names/designations from far yesteryear just so contractors can go back in time in the record plans that are used in project documentation.  They're typically hyphenated and the names can be...confusing given the segments they apply to.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

TheStranger

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Max Rockatansky

Isn't in a severe state of decay at this point?

pderocco

Quote from: TheStranger on September 23, 2024, 11:09:07 PMThe historic Hyde Street Pier in San Francisco, which once carried US 101, will be demolished and rebuilt in place:

https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/teardown-sf-tourist-attraction-underway-19769617.php?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwY2xjawFfDH1leHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHXxv4VyKtyFJMhoqmfT_xacDsXTn3ZqDxL8-oM-KYMpJv_zTDc4tNNhnwg_aem_9fjHFg7mQqxO04v7H1rAPg
Oh, I get it. It was the ferry terminal before they built the Golden Gate Bridge. Cool. I never noticed that fact when I've been there.

kkt

Quote from: pderocco on September 24, 2024, 12:35:03 AM
Quote from: TheStranger on September 23, 2024, 11:09:07 PMThe historic Hyde Street Pier in San Francisco, which once carried US 101, will be demolished and rebuilt in place:

https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/teardown-sf-tourist-attraction-underway-19769617.php?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwY2xjawFfDH1leHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHXxv4VyKtyFJMhoqmfT_xacDsXTn3ZqDxL8-oM-KYMpJv_zTDc4tNNhnwg_aem_9fjHFg7mQqxO04v7H1rAPg
Oh, I get it. It was the ferry terminal before they built the Golden Gate Bridge. Cool. I never noticed that fact when I've been there.

Not exactly.  It was where the auto ferries from the East Bay stopped.  But the Ferry Building at the foot of Market St., which still exists, was the passenger ferry for passengers transferring from the interurbans and intercity railroads in Oakland.

heynow415

Quote from: kkt on September 25, 2024, 05:03:02 PM
Quote from: pderocco on September 24, 2024, 12:35:03 AM
Quote from: TheStranger on September 23, 2024, 11:09:07 PMThe historic Hyde Street Pier in San Francisco, which once carried US 101, will be demolished and rebuilt in place:

https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/teardown-sf-tourist-attraction-underway-19769617.php?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwY2xjawFfDH1leHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHXxv4VyKtyFJMhoqmfT_xacDsXTn3ZqDxL8-oM-KYMpJv_zTDc4tNNhnwg_aem_9fjHFg7mQqxO04v7H1rAPg
Oh, I get it. It was the ferry terminal before they built the Golden Gate Bridge. Cool. I never noticed that fact when I've been there.

Not exactly.  It was where the auto ferries from the East Bay stopped.  But the Ferry Building at the foot of Market St., which still exists, was the passenger ferry for passengers transferring from the interurbans and intercity railroads in Oakland.

. . . and Marin.  Northwestern Pacific Railroad and its predecessors had electrified third-rail passenger service from as far as Fairfax, San Rafael, and downtown Mill Valley along its rights of way to Sausalito, with ferries then serving the Ferry Building.  Freight operations were sent to Tiburon for a ferry from there.  Auto ferries launched from Hyde Street.  Service for both ended by 1941 due to the opening of the Golden Gate Bridge.

NE2

pre-1945 Florida route log

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gonealookin

Caltrans hoped to get SR 1 reopened in the Big Sur area this fall, but now it "will not reopen in 2024".  The closure is basically between the Esalen Institute and Lucia.

https://twitter.com/CaltransD5/status/1839739658814796238

pderocco

Quote from: kkt on September 25, 2024, 05:03:02 PM
Quote from: pderocco on September 24, 2024, 12:35:03 AM
Quote from: TheStranger on September 23, 2024, 11:09:07 PMThe historic Hyde Street Pier in San Francisco, which once carried US 101, will be demolished and rebuilt in place:

https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/teardown-sf-tourist-attraction-underway-19769617.php?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwY2xjawFfDH1leHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHXxv4VyKtyFJMhoqmfT_xacDsXTn3ZqDxL8-oM-KYMpJv_zTDc4tNNhnwg_aem_9fjHFg7mQqxO04v7H1rAPg
Oh, I get it. It was the ferry terminal before they built the Golden Gate Bridge. Cool. I never noticed that fact when I've been there.

Not exactly.  It was where the auto ferries from the East Bay stopped.  But the Ferry Building at the foot of Market St., which still exists, was the passenger ferry for passengers transferring from the interurbans and intercity railroads in Oakland.

It wouldn't be called US-101 if it went to Oakland. The California official road maps clearly show US-101 going up Van Ness, then jogging to the right to Hyde St.

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: pderocco on September 27, 2024, 10:14:36 PM
Quote from: kkt on September 25, 2024, 05:03:02 PM
Quote from: pderocco on September 24, 2024, 12:35:03 AM
Quote from: TheStranger on September 23, 2024, 11:09:07 PMThe historic Hyde Street Pier in San Francisco, which once carried US 101, will be demolished and rebuilt in place:

https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/teardown-sf-tourist-attraction-underway-19769617.php?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwY2xjawFfDH1leHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHXxv4VyKtyFJMhoqmfT_xacDsXTn3ZqDxL8-oM-KYMpJv_zTDc4tNNhnwg_aem_9fjHFg7mQqxO04v7H1rAPg
Oh, I get it. It was the ferry terminal before they built the Golden Gate Bridge. Cool. I never noticed that fact when I've been there.

Not exactly.  It was where the auto ferries from the East Bay stopped.  But the Ferry Building at the foot of Market St., which still exists, was the passenger ferry for passengers transferring from the interurbans and intercity railroads in Oakland.

It wouldn't be called US-101 if it went to Oakland. The California official road maps clearly show US-101 going up Van Ness, then jogging to the right to Hyde St.

US 101E was a thing for a couple years.

pderocco

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 27, 2024, 10:53:24 PM
Quote from: pderocco on September 27, 2024, 10:14:36 PM
Quote from: kkt on September 25, 2024, 05:03:02 PM
Quote from: pderocco on September 24, 2024, 12:35:03 AM
Quote from: TheStranger on September 23, 2024, 11:09:07 PMThe historic Hyde Street Pier in San Francisco, which once carried US 101, will be demolished and rebuilt in place:

https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/teardown-sf-tourist-attraction-underway-19769617.php?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwY2xjawFfDH1leHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHXxv4VyKtyFJMhoqmfT_xacDsXTn3ZqDxL8-oM-KYMpJv_zTDc4tNNhnwg_aem_9fjHFg7mQqxO04v7H1rAPg
Oh, I get it. It was the ferry terminal before they built the Golden Gate Bridge. Cool. I never noticed that fact when I've been there.

Not exactly.  It was where the auto ferries from the East Bay stopped.  But the Ferry Building at the foot of Market St., which still exists, was the passenger ferry for passengers transferring from the interurbans and intercity railroads in Oakland.

It wouldn't be called US-101 if it went to Oakland. The California official road maps clearly show US-101 going up Van Ness, then jogging to the right to Hyde St.

US 101E was a thing for a couple years.
Interesting. The Cal official maps show the Hyde St pier serving the ferry to Sausalito, which would be US-101, and the ferry to Berkeley. The US-101E ferry looks like it went from 7th St in Oakland to the Ferry Building. Which would mean that US-101E would be a lousy way to get to US-101 north, because you'd have to take two ferries.

The Ghostbuster

Did any of CA 17 exist before US 101E received the 17 designation? If not, did existing 17 between Santa Cruz and San Jose have a different designation?

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 28, 2024, 08:47:44 PMDid any of CA 17 exist before US 101E received the 17 designation? If not, did existing 17 between Santa Cruz and San Jose have a different designation?

No, 101E was a thing before the Sign State Route System.  The corridor essentially led to US 48 being truncated from San Jose to Hayward.  It seems not having a US Route serve Oakland from Altamont Pass didn't satisfy anyone.  101E was a prototype for what would become CA 17 though.


kkt

Po-Tay-Toes.  Bake 'em, boil 'em, scatter 'em on a highway...

Max Rockatansky

Even you couldn't say no to that. 

pderocco

Told he was a reckless driver, he answered "I yam what I yam."

kernals12

I read an LA Times article from 1969 saying that cities had effective veto power over new freeways because they needed to consent to the permanent closure of city streets, which is a requirement in almost all freeway projects. Is that still the case? And how many other states have similar laws?

Max Rockatansky

Proof of life on Tulare County Route J42 east of Porterville.  This makes two of the Tulare County Routes still signed (along with J37).

0 by Max Rockatansky, on Flickr

pderocco

Did you go all the way to the end, and turn around? You'd see this:

But that looks pretty much abandoned.

Max Rockatansky

Went north on Success Valley Road towards Blue Ridge Road instead back tracking completely.  Finally catching up on suggestions from earlier this year.  I might try for Breckenridge Road in early November since the Forest Service says it is open.

But yes, the J42 shields haven't been touched in decades.  The J37 shields are at least from this century.

pderocco

Especially in Tulare County, the county sign routes are mostly in the flat Central Valley, where they tend to number most of the roads anyway, so I can see why they'd abandon the conflicting blue and yellow signs. But in the foothills, where roads usually have names, they make more sense.



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