On some traffic light installations - especially the 4-aspect and 5-aspect setups - I've sometimes seen two green arrows lit at once: most commonly ahead and left (because these usually occur in conjunction with the dedicated left turn signals), but I've seen ahead and right arrows on occasion.
This makes me wonder: have you ever seen a traffic light setup in which green arrows for all three possible directions - right, left, and straight ahead - are lit all at the same time? If so, where? (I thought I remember seeing a 5-aspect installation like that - with all the arrows stacked on top of one another - on a June 2019 visit to Chicago, but I could be mistaken.)
Barboursville, WV at the intersection of West Mall Rd and US-60 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.4138627,-82.26178,3a,15y,152.08h,92.79t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sBgfKORCev7jhLyKg927tIw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DBgfKORCev7jhLyKg927tIw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D153.67706%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192). It's been a while since I've been in the area, I used to be there about 3-4 times a year.
50 years ago there was an intersection in Green Bay had that setup. It had 12" red and yellow lens, and the green arrows were on 8" lens
Park Ave/Chandler St in Worcester MA (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2615836,-71.8207693,3a,45y,188.28h,88.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdKjz7FmzGiNeLX6zlB7RvQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en) has the potential for it if the left-turn arrow on Park Ave is triggered only in one direction. (This intersection was on our weekend coffee run route in college :))
Columbia, MO used to have one until the ahead and right turn arrows were replaced with circular aspects:
(https://i.imgur.com/CHtmVwp.png)
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@38.9513118,-92.3218804,3a,45.8y,6.59h,87.79t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDyDSja4owgDIW5_9vq0Y0g!2e0!5s20080401T000000!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com.au/maps/@38.9513118,-92.3218804,3a,45.8y,6.59h,87.79t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDyDSja4owgDIW5_9vq0Y0g!2e0!5s20080401T000000!7i13312!8i6656)
And an interesting example from Australia with left, diagonal right, and right arrows all at once:
(https://i.imgur.com/izZd9dA.png)
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-31.9548019,115.850916,3a,73.4y,172.79h,91.19t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sF7Mtw7p78dYoIUhNCzUW2A!2e0!5s20180501T000000!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-31.9548019,115.850916,3a,73.4y,172.79h,91.19t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sF7Mtw7p78dYoIUhNCzUW2A!2e0!5s20180501T000000!7i13312!8i6656)
Quote from: Jet380 on January 16, 2021, 09:50:56 PM
Columbia, MO used to have one until the ahead and right turn arrows were replaced with circular aspects:
(https://i.imgur.com/CHtmVwp.png)
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@38.9513118,-92.3218804,3a,45.8y,6.59h,87.79t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDyDSja4owgDIW5_9vq0Y0g!2e0!5s20080401T000000!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com.au/maps/@38.9513118,-92.3218804,3a,45.8y,6.59h,87.79t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDyDSja4owgDIW5_9vq0Y0g!2e0!5s20080401T000000!7i13312!8i6656)
There are lots of signal setups in Missouri with four-aspect far right signals with both a right and straight green arrow. More examples include this (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6985183,-93.2505809,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swmJbJOLFlYU0zYCCOjkSlg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en/), this (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0905014,-93.2977885,3a,26.4y,-1.92h,90.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sinKPDD7tT00PaysodikJWQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en/), and this (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5164061,-91.5408485,3a,43.1y,200.49h,92.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLhm3JR2vIwqCQBWh8TFNSA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en/).
For a single display, I don't believe it would be permitted anymore.
I recall an off-ramp in Iowa that had three overhead signals for three lanes; green left arrow, green right arrow, and the center display showed left, right, and straight-on green arrows. The off-ramp only had a single through signal because of this, and current MUTCD regulations require two through signals regardless of the importance of the through movement.
I've seen a setup identical to this, but instead of an up arrow, it has a green orb (https://goo.gl/maps/h2uvtQWB2nvUzb9c7).
Quote from: STLmapboy on January 17, 2021, 04:54:08 PM
Quote from: Jet380 on January 16, 2021, 09:50:56 PM
Columbia, MO used to have one until the ahead and right turn arrows were replaced with circular aspects:
(https://i.imgur.com/CHtmVwp.png)
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@38.9513118,-92.3218804,3a,45.8y,6.59h,87.79t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDyDSja4owgDIW5_9vq0Y0g!2e0!5s20080401T000000!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com.au/maps/@38.9513118,-92.3218804,3a,45.8y,6.59h,87.79t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDyDSja4owgDIW5_9vq0Y0g!2e0!5s20080401T000000!7i13312!8i6656)
There are lots of signal setups in Missouri with four-aspect far right signals with both a right and straight green arrow. More examples include this (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6985183,-93.2505809,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swmJbJOLFlYU0zYCCOjkSlg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en/), this (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0905014,-93.2977885,3a,26.4y,-1.92h,90.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sinKPDD7tT00PaysodikJWQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en/), and this (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5164061,-91.5408485,3a,43.1y,200.49h,92.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLhm3JR2vIwqCQBWh8TFNSA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en/).
MO 364's frontage roads between MM 8-13 (and probably frontage roads in general) is full of examples. But here's one at MO 364 EB and Harvester Rd (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.7482937,-90.5783096,3a,37.5y,97h,92.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skXk-EFD2QAUbIfIBJQRHVw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en/) with a standalone left, straight and right all green at the same time
Morristown, NJ used to have it on US 202 SB at NJ 24 WB.
Quote from: jakeroot on January 17, 2021, 05:32:44 PM
For a single display, I don't believe it would be permitted anymore.
The 2009 MUTCD still permits it.
Quote from:
Option:
In a vertically-arranged signal face, signal sections that display signal indications of the same color may be arranged horizontally adjacent to each other at right angles to the basic straight line arrangement to form a clustered signal face (see Figures 4D-2, 4D-9, 4D-11, 4D-16, and 4D-18).
Standard:
Such clusters shall be limited to the following:
A. Two identical signal sections,
B. Two or three different signal sections that display signal indications of the same color, or
C. For only the specific case described in Section 4D.25 (see Drawing B of Figure 4D-20), two signal sections, one of which displays a GREEN ARROW signal indication and the other of which displays a flashing YELLOW ARROW signal indication.
Quote from: jakeroot on January 17, 2021, 05:32:44 PM
I recall an off-ramp in Iowa that had three overhead signals for three lanes; green left arrow, green right arrow, and the center display showed left, right, and straight-on green arrows. The off-ramp only had a single through signal because of this, and current MUTCD regulations require two through signals regardless of the importance of the through movement.
I-35/I-80 at 86th Street around Des Moines? (https://goo.gl/maps/CzWTtJWFdkutLsRM7)
Quote from: Revive 755 on January 18, 2021, 12:52:15 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 17, 2021, 05:32:44 PM
I recall an off-ramp in Iowa that had three overhead signals for three lanes; green left arrow, green right arrow, and the center display showed left, right, and straight-on green arrows. The off-ramp only had a single through signal because of this, and current MUTCD regulations require two through signals regardless of the importance of the through movement.
I-35/I-80 at 86th Street around Des Moines? (https://goo.gl/maps/CzWTtJWFdkutLsRM7)
Aw, snap! I used that interchange several times recently (stayed at one of the hotels there during
my last visit to Johnston (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=23945.msg2465289#msg2465289)), and I didn't remember the arrow stack.
Quote from: jmacswimmer on January 15, 2021, 10:48:14 AM
Park Ave/Chandler St in Worcester MA (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2615836,-71.8207693,3a,45y,188.28h,88.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdKjz7FmzGiNeLX6zlB7RvQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en) has the potential for it if the left-turn arrow on Park Ave is triggered only in one direction. (This intersection was on our weekend coffee run route in college :))
I had a question about this typed of signal that seems to be common in MA. The straight arrow and right arrow are shown at the same time.
How do these signals operate? Are straight and right lit up the same time for part of the signal, or does this only occur when there are no pedestrians present? Does the right turn arrow provide for a protected turn through the whole phase, or just a lagging turn phase when pedestrians are completed with their walk.
I am surprised to see them in Boston, in Back Bay no less, which is a heavily pedestrian district. Do peds have to push the button to cross in every direction?
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3520515,-71.0783821,3a,75y,253.32h,82.2t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssyCM6ZC9Fjh29HWo8Pxzfw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Quote from: Revive 755 on January 18, 2021, 12:52:15 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 17, 2021, 05:32:44 PM
For a single display, I don't believe it would be permitted anymore.
The 2009 MUTCD still permits it.
I recognize that the configuration is permitted, but where is the other through signal?
A couple of Chicopee Mass ones....
https://goo.gl/maps/Ty5zJsuGBEp2RK2P7
And this one before it has two different straight arrows based on the geometry and a right arrow, green ball, and FYA
https://goo.gl/maps/8DVP4GN82cZB3wbC9
Quote from: jakeroot on January 18, 2021, 03:39:48 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on January 18, 2021, 12:52:15 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 17, 2021, 05:32:44 PM
For a single display, I don't believe it would be permitted anymore.
The 2009 MUTCD still permits it.
I recognize that the configuration is permitted, but where is the other through signal?
My mistake - I thought you meant the 3-section cluster was prohibited.
Quote from: DrSmith on January 18, 2021, 08:29:50 PM
And this one before it has two different straight arrows based on the geometry and a right arrow, green ball, and FYA
https://goo.gl/maps/8DVP4GN82cZB3wbC9
Interesting case of a mast arm replace by a span wire.
Quote from: mrsman on January 18, 2021, 01:45:52 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on January 15, 2021, 10:48:14 AM
Park Ave/Chandler St in Worcester MA (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2615836,-71.8207693,3a,45y,188.28h,88.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdKjz7FmzGiNeLX6zlB7RvQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en) has the potential for it if the left-turn arrow on Park Ave is triggered only in one direction. (This intersection was on our weekend coffee run route in college :))
I had a question about this typed of signal that seems to be common in MA. The straight arrow and right arrow are shown at the same time.
How do these signals operate? Are straight and right lit up the same time for part of the signal, or does this only occur when there are no pedestrians present? Does the right turn arrow provide for a protected turn through the whole phase, or just a lagging turn phase when pedestrians are completed with their walk.
I am surprised to see them in Boston, in Back Bay no less, which is a heavily pedestrian district. Do peds have to push the button to cross in every direction?
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3520515,-71.0783821,3a,75y,253.32h,82.2t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssyCM6ZC9Fjh29HWo8Pxzfw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
A lot of them that used to be stacks of 4 with arrows were changed to all circles in the last 10 years. It almost seems like that one had to have been missed. All along Comm Ave, Beacon Street, and others, you can find where around 2009 there were arrows that are gone later, but that one stayed somehow. Looking at Exeter and Newbury Streets (https://goo.gl/maps/TPGhXv5keZyU9uZv9), you can see that changing it from 2009 to 2011 the arrows go away and circles appear. Same happens at places on Comm Ave and Beacon Street too. They must have missed the one at Dartmouth and Comm Ave, unless they had some reason which would be weird but it's Boston. When I was growing up in Boston, I remember the arrows all over downtown, sometimes even 8-inch ones in the stacks of 4. There is grainy old street view of Charles Street with some of the old stacks of 4 8-inch lenses with two arrows (https://goo.gl/maps/5Ky56txK6GotqoEM8), with no walk signals. By 2009, they were replaced with new 8-inch signals, which was nice to at least keep that. Beside the signals getting really old, to add walk signals was going to require getting rid of the arrows. The 2007 signals were old enough to probably have been around when Charles Street was reversed; in summer 2018 walking and driving there it still felt like it was one way the wrong way--that's dating myself.
Quote from: jmacswimmer on January 15, 2021, 10:48:14 AM
Park Ave/Chandler St in Worcester MA (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2615836,-71.8207693,3a,45y,188.28h,88.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdKjz7FmzGiNeLX6zlB7RvQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en) has the potential for it if the left-turn arrow on Park Ave is triggered only in one direction. (This intersection was on our weekend coffee run route in college :))
The Riverside St and Brighton Ave intersection (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.6769584,-70.3293882,3a,55.3y,96.48h,87.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soYpmaxNZrXE7cXglqxKoqg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) in Portland, Maine operates in the same fashion as described above, though those signals may be replaced in the future...
Noticed the other day a signal I drive through all the time has all 3 green arrows at once!
https://goo.gl/maps/wz4vdqysjUvkdNe36
Wason Rd at NH 3A in Hudson, NH. The other directions at that same intersection have the potential to, but use green balls for the straight movement instead.
Looking around, Hudson appears to have at least one more example:
NH 111/Central St: https://goo.gl/maps/pbFW7xu7iNAVn6By8
I wouldn't be surprised if NH has more given the aversion to permissive lefts and the state's standard practice of using green up arrows on signal heads adjacent to turn arrows.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on February 03, 2021, 11:10:21 AM
Noticed the other day a signal I drive through all the time has all 3 green arrows at once!
https://goo.gl/maps/wz4vdqysjUvkdNe36
Wason Rd at NH 3A in Hudson, NH. The other directions at that same intersection have the potential to, but use green balls for the straight movement instead.
I'm curious for this example (1) why a straight arrow was used overhead, and (2) if the right turn arrow still comes on when the walk signal is on for the crosswalk (which would be a conflict).
A few more I know of...
Maine: Augusta near the Civic Center (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.3434037,-69.7932619,3a,24.4y,154.45h,93.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sm9BzSfHLom2GPJT5Kccs5w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Massachusetts: Boston at Washington St (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3673358,-71.0588209,3a,15y,160h,89.2t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sp6K0Pu-TWau6NLhm7gOD6A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Dp6K0Pu-TWau6NLhm7gOD6A%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D223.64536%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192), Cambridge at the O'Brien Hwy (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3689718,-71.0724626,3a,15y,303.34h,90.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8sSCDC8vli1EyYBVkocTag!2e0!7i16384!8i8192), Cambridge at Galileo Galilei Way (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.365016,-71.0894062,3a,27.8y,191.18h,87.47t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1scZMgZBAkBhiBDWEZqWJonw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DcZMgZBAkBhiBDWEZqWJonw%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D195.8178%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) (notice that there is only 1 thru head)
New Hampshire: Salem at Pelham Rd (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7811932,-71.2396146,3a,28.2y,46.73h,93.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8IxyQmg7bvtFKp2S2CvEeg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192), Portsmouth at Market and Woodbury (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0864266,-70.7876371,3a,40y,100.48h,92.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sy5TnCWiIibpwwvrCqaCf2Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Quote from: roadfro on February 04, 2021, 11:20:28 AM
I'm curious for this example (1) why a straight arrow was used overhead, and (2) if the right turn arrow still comes on when the walk signal is on for the crosswalk (which would be a conflict).
In most NH intersections, like the one that was linked, the pedestrian phase is usually exclusive ped phase.
Example at Manchester and Berry (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6053685,-90.3777624,3a,75y,245.07h,97.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4kx3PPb8VoVpxDuy9MbteQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656/) in Greater STL (drove through yesterday when the PPLT had the green arrow lit up).
SR-525 at Alderwood Mall Parkway in Lynnwood, WA
(https://i.imgur.com/jWtsxbx.jpg)
Never posted before but thought I'd add that Danville, Virginia is full of these.
Arnett Blvd at Riverside Dr (US 58 Business):
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5970654,-79.3981785,3a,40.3y,287.44h,89.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8clBsDb1QNUVOjEyq6SZEQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Mt Cross Rd at Riverside Dr:
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5898581,-79.419267,3a,32.2y,128.91h,86.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1semclDTVhdJ0NAL7oOk0inA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Memorial Dr (VA 413) at Patton St (VA 293):
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5877788,-79.3903256,3a,33.5y,145.82h,91.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smg6pFRsFfQ57roUaVR3tKQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Industrial Ave at S Main St (VA 86):
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5705816,-79.4046237,3a,22.7y,253.51h,90.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ss42nCxW_Fe_bYe8YCeUhqw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Park Ave at W Main St (VA 293):
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5711619,-79.4225234,3a,35.2y,138.5h,90.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szHfU-w5zoG83UuHb-ORFYg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Quote from: nbm829 on February 05, 2021, 01:09:15 PM
Never posted before but thought I'd add that Danville, Virginia is full of these.
Arnett Blvd at Riverside Dr (US 58 Business):
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5970654,-79.3981785,3a,40.3y,287.44h,89.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8clBsDb1QNUVOjEyq6SZEQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Mt Cross Rd at Riverside Dr:
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5898581,-79.419267,3a,32.2y,128.91h,86.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1semclDTVhdJ0NAL7oOk0inA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Memorial Dr (VA 413) at Patton St (VA 293):
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5877788,-79.3903256,3a,33.5y,145.82h,91.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smg6pFRsFfQ57roUaVR3tKQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Industrial Ave at S Main St (VA 86):
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5705816,-79.4046237,3a,22.7y,253.51h,90.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ss42nCxW_Fe_bYe8YCeUhqw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Park Ave at W Main St (VA 293):
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5711619,-79.4225234,3a,35.2y,138.5h,90.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szHfU-w5zoG83UuHb-ORFYg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Welcome welcome.
Quote from: fwydriver405 on February 04, 2021, 12:30:09 PM
Quote from: roadfro on February 04, 2021, 11:20:28 AM
I'm curious for this example (1) why a straight arrow was used overhead, and (2) if the right turn arrow still comes on when the walk signal is on for the crosswalk (which would be a conflict).
In most NH intersections, like the one that was linked, the pedestrian phase is usually exclusive ped phase.
Indeed, this signal does use an exclusive ped phase.
Quote from: fwydriver405 on February 04, 2021, 12:30:09 PM
A few more I know of...
Massachusetts: Boston at Washington St (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3673358,-71.0588209,3a,15y,160h,89.2t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sp6K0Pu-TWau6NLhm7gOD6A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Dp6K0Pu-TWau6NLhm7gOD6A%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D223.64536%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192), Cambridge at the O'Brien Hwy (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3689718,-71.0724626,3a,15y,303.34h,90.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8sSCDC8vli1EyYBVkocTag!2e0!7i16384!8i8192), Cambridge at Galileo Galilei Way (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.365016,-71.0894062,3a,27.8y,191.18h,87.47t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1scZMgZBAkBhiBDWEZqWJonw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DcZMgZBAkBhiBDWEZqWJonw%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D195.8178%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) (notice that there is only 1 thru head)
How the hell did I not think of these. For years my commute took me through two of those signals!
I have meant a couple times going through the general area in the past month to get an actual photo of this one but have managed to forget so I will just post the street view:
https://goo.gl/maps/Gr7x28yDvB61omWW9
(The lane configuration here has changed over time, as Tallmadge Ave to the west was dieted down to one lane and before that there was a two-lane left turn and a doghouse in the middle, and this mast arm assembly and another at the corner 10 years ago were bare metal ones with luminaries too, which was nice--the intersection is noticeably dark now which sucks considering how close it is to the high school.)
One more from New Hampshire that I drive through so often I forgot about it:
https://goo.gl/maps/F3HMRC2kDEN9ixoz5 westbound offramp from the Circumferential Hwy to DW Hwy in Nashua
Quote from: PurdueBill on March 05, 2021, 01:03:26 AM
I have meant a couple times going through the general area in the past month to get an actual photo of this one but have managed to forget so I will just post the street view:
https://goo.gl/maps/Gr7x28yDvB61omWW9
(The lane configuration here has changed over time, as Tallmadge Ave to the west was dieted down to one lane and before that there was a two-lane left turn and a doghouse in the middle, and this mast arm assembly and another at the corner 10 years ago were bare metal ones with luminaries too, which was nice--the intersection is noticeably dark now which sucks considering how close it is to the high school.)
Right turn arrow has adjacent sign "turning traffic yield to pedestrians", and there's a signalized pedestrian crossing. That right turn arrow should not be an arrow...
Quote from: roadfro on March 06, 2021, 01:49:49 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on March 05, 2021, 01:03:26 AM
I have meant a couple times going through the general area in the past month to get an actual photo of this one but have managed to forget so I will just post the street view:
https://goo.gl/maps/Gr7x28yDvB61omWW9
(The lane configuration here has changed over time, as Tallmadge Ave to the west was dieted down to one lane and before that there was a two-lane left turn and a doghouse in the middle, and this mast arm assembly and another at the corner 10 years ago were bare metal ones with luminaries too, which was nice--the intersection is noticeably dark now which sucks considering how close it is to the high school.)
Right turn arrow has adjacent sign "turning traffic yield to pedestrians", and there's a signalized pedestrian crossing. That right turn arrow should not be an arrow...
I thought maybe it was a part-time flashing yellow arrow activated only by clicking the ADA button ...
nope (https://goo.gl/maps/815wtTCLdm7EsYVf9). Jesus.
Quote from: jakeroot on March 06, 2021, 02:29:04 PM
Quote from: roadfro on March 06, 2021, 01:49:49 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on March 05, 2021, 01:03:26 AM
I have meant a couple times going through the general area in the past month to get an actual photo of this one but have managed to forget so I will just post the street view:
https://goo.gl/maps/Gr7x28yDvB61omWW9
(The lane configuration here has changed over time, as Tallmadge Ave to the west was dieted down to one lane and before that there was a two-lane left turn and a doghouse in the middle, and this mast arm assembly and another at the corner 10 years ago were bare metal ones with luminaries too, which was nice--the intersection is noticeably dark now which sucks considering how close it is to the high school.)
Right turn arrow has adjacent sign "turning traffic yield to pedestrians", and there's a signalized pedestrian crossing. That right turn arrow should not be an arrow...
I thought maybe it was a part-time flashing yellow arrow activated only by clicking the ADA button ... nope (https://goo.gl/maps/815wtTCLdm7EsYVf9). Jesus.
Why, with it being a split phase, they don't just use what was there before is beyond me. If you look at older views, you can see that it once had left arrow, doghouse, and circular. They went nuts changing everything to arrows when the lanes were reassigned and there was no need and indeed in fact now there are two problems--only one signal for thru (when before there were two circles), and the arrow crossing the WALK signal. Both were created by the arrow mania.
Quote from: PurdueBill on March 06, 2021, 09:32:14 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on March 06, 2021, 02:29:04 PM
Quote from: roadfro on March 06, 2021, 01:49:49 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on March 05, 2021, 01:03:26 AM
I have meant a couple times going through the general area in the past month to get an actual photo of this one but have managed to forget so I will just post the street view:
https://goo.gl/maps/Gr7x28yDvB61omWW9
(The lane configuration here has changed over time, as Tallmadge Ave to the west was dieted down to one lane and before that there was a two-lane left turn and a doghouse in the middle, and this mast arm assembly and another at the corner 10 years ago were bare metal ones with luminaries too, which was nice--the intersection is noticeably dark now which sucks considering how close it is to the high school.)
Right turn arrow has adjacent sign "turning traffic yield to pedestrians", and there's a signalized pedestrian crossing. That right turn arrow should not be an arrow...
I thought maybe it was a part-time flashing yellow arrow activated only by clicking the ADA button ... nope (https://goo.gl/maps/815wtTCLdm7EsYVf9). Jesus.
Why, with it being a split phase, they don't just use what was there before is beyond me. If you look at older views, you can see that it once had left arrow, doghouse, and circular. They went nuts changing everything to arrows when the lanes were reassigned and there was no need and indeed in fact now there are two problems--only one signal for thru (when before there were two circles), and the arrow crossing the WALK signal. Both were created by the arrow mania.
Yep, for sure. Their change was completely insane. Someone needs to contact them because (A) their installation is not compliant with the 2009 MUTCD requiring two through signals (as you mention), and (B) the green arrow showing while the walk sign is active is extremely dangerous.
If I had to suggest a change, it would be to change the right-most signal to all circular indications. Super easy.
Found a fun one. (https://goo.gl/maps/pzshadTwkuniVh3CA)
McConner Parkway and Golf Road (IL-58), Schaumburg, Illinois.
https://goo.gl/maps/HzA6abptJaMqAYMB8